Okay, I recieved a copy of their hand out that Elk Konnected gave the Kounty Kommisioners yesterday. I scanned it in to my computer and the format changed a bit but the wording has not. I copied and pasted here. What you see is what you get.
I did the best I could.
Community Conversation Committee Report
Purpose of committee: Analyze input comments from Elk County residents as to how wind
energy dollars should be invested.
This process was launched with a community meeting where community members presented
ideas for the expenditure of the income from the newly formed wind farm. At the community
conversation meeting, residents present at the meeting were asked to give their input in the
categories of "Ideas", "Big Ideas", and IITop Ideas". All residents present were divided into
small "round table" discussion groups in order to discuss and bring forward the ideas.
After the community conversation, a representative from each "round table" group was
assigned to be on a special committee. From there, the committee was assembled to take the
ideas and organize them. The committee meeting resulted in the following analysis of data.
The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories.
Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:
1. Financial
2. Infrastructure/Utilities
3. Economic Development
4. Services
5. Education
6. Miscellaneous
After assigning every single comment from the community meeting into a certain category, the
data in each category was grouped into sub-topics (see appendix to review grouping). It should
be noted that several comments were "cross-over" comments, meaning that the committee
felt like the comment actually fell into more than one category, and therefore they analyzed it
in both categories when forming sub-topics.
Some of the sub-topics that garnered the most comments were as follows:
Financial category: 50% of the comments related to lowering taxes and 25% of the comments
related to paying off debt.
Infrastructure/Utilities: Slightly less than 50% of the comments related to road improvements
ranging from city streets to county roads and 20% of the comments related to community
improvements ranging from restoration/clean-up, to improving parks, to building community
centers.
Economic Development: Over 50% of comments related to the generic (as in no specific
details) topic of job creation and 20% related to assisted living &/or day care.
Services: Many different ideas fell into this category with a large majority of the comments
being "cross-over" ideas that also fell into Financial, Infrastructure/Utilities, or Economic
Development.
Education: The generic (as in no specific details) topic of schools/libraries garnered 50% of the
comments in this category
Committee's Conclusion of the data:
Focus should be on the first three categories of Financial, Infastructure/Utilities, and Economic
Development
In the Financial category: Lowering taxes will help with the creation of jobs and the act of
lowering taxes will benefit all residents that pay taxes. It will also create a more business
friendly environment. Paying off debt will also decrease the tax burden. It was also agreed that
banking a certain percentage of the income is needed.
In the Infrastructure/Utilities category: County roads are a must for improvements, as well as
city streets. Water and trash services are a key to fostering business growth. The committee
also felt that this is the best category to set long, medium and short term goals and that
prioritizing will be necessary in this category.
Economic Development: The committee realizes it is not the responsibility of local government
to create jobs, but rather, create a business friendly environment. Assisting and promoting
growth in existing businesses should be a key consideration. Because the comments relating to
assisted living and/or daycare came up so often (which these were also cross-over topics
mentioned in other categories), the committee feels that it is relevant to point out that this
could be a way to help with job creation. The committee felt that it was a valid consideration
that deserves its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this idea.
Services: Youth activities, assisted living, and daycare led the way with the greatest number of
comments. The committee expressed concern of government versus private industry in
creating these services. There was some discussion about how the government needs to help
grow these services, but without having the control and responsibility. Though not garnering a
lot of comments, the committee felt it was relevant to reiterate the importance of the
emergency services of ambulance and fire that serve all citizens of our county.
Education: The committee felt that ultimately, this is the school board's responsibility, but if
taxes are lowered, it may draw in more people that could afford to live within the county,
thereby having an impact on the school. The committee felt that the comments relating to
scholarships to help attract Elk County raised students back to Elk County did deserve some
consideration, and again, would need its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this
idea.
Miscellaneous: The committee decided that there were comments that did not fit into the
above mentioned categories and therefore these comments were listed as miscellaneous.
Side note: Without overlapping with federally subsidized programs, the committee was
surprised that more comments about the support of the agriculture industry in Elk County were
not mentioned. The committee felt like this topic does warrant more attention since this is the
primary industry in Elk County.
Appendix is attached with data breakdown of how the committee sorted all comments that
were generated from the community conversation.
Financial
Lower Taxes - 20 (Idea's)
Lower Taxes - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Payoff Debt - 8 (Idea's)
Pay off Debt- 7 (Top 3 idea's)
Save the 1 st million for the future as a cushion - l(Idea's)
Bank 1st million - 2 (Big Idea's)
1 st million in bank - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Matching Funds -1 (Idea's)
A fund for matching grant funds - 1 (Big Idea's)
Spend money all over the county not in just to towns - 1 (Idea's)
Spend it as an investment not as expenditure (Big Idea's)
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
County employee compensation - 2 (Idea's)
Infrastructure/UtiIitles
Improve Roads - 17 (Idea's)
Help cities improve streets - 2 (Idea's)
Funds for roads and bridges - 1 (Big Idea's)
Road Improvements - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Infrastructure improvement - 3 (Idea's)
Water supply (Idea's)
Water - 2 (Top 3 idea's)
Rural water all over county - 2 (Big Idea's)
Clean up properties and restore buildings - 2 (Idea's)
Community Building -1 (Idea's)
Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's)
Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's)
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's)
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)
Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's)
Broadband initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Build new jail- l(ldea's)
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)
Maintain and promote rail service - l(Idea's)
New ambulance - l(Idea's)
Sewer systems in small towns - 1 (Idea's)
Economic Development
Jobs -11 (Idea's)
Create Jobs - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Create Jobs/ Bring in business - 6 (Big Idea's)
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's)
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's)
Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's)
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's)
Tourism - 2 (Idea's)
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)
Golf Course - 1 (Idea's)
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's)
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's)
Preserving Moline school- 1 (Idea's)
Land Purchase for possible population expansion (Idea's)
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's)
Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's)
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's)
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Improved/more housing (Big Idea's)
Certify/Train a group of local residents to work on wind mills - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Services
Youth Facility - 9 (Idea's)
More $ invested for youth in each town - 1 (Big Idea's)
Invest in Youth Activities - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's)
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's)
Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's)
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's)
Community Building -1 (Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's)
Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's)
Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's)
Countywide clean-up - 3 (Big Idea's)
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's)
Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's)
Broad brand initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's)
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's)
Transportation for elderly and children - l(Idea's)
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)
Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's)
Rec center w/\ indoor pool- 1 (Big Idea's)
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's)
Professional golf course tournament - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
New ambulance - 1 (Idea's)
Food Services to elderly - l(Idea's)
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's)
More Tourist Attractions (Idea's)
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Education
Schools - 5 (Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's)
Scholarships - 2 (Idea's)
Sponsor scholarships for trade within county - 1 (Big Idea's)
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's)
Enrich the education - 1 (Big Idea's)
More $ invested for youth in each town -1 (Big Idea's)
Be able to keep and reopen schools in small towns as population grows _ 1 (Big Idea's)
Miscellaneous
Drug Test before can get food stamps or welfare - 1 (Idea's)
Spend within our budget - l(Idea's)
Get engineer - 1 (Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Invest in Stock Shares - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
WOW Looks like the money is spent for the next 200 years.
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:46:35 AM
You're right we got some high rollers thinking here.
After all Howard has an Elk Konnected health and exercise buisness and I here they are doing a bang up business with maybe 8 patrons. Perhaps if they build a multi-million dollar facility at the fair grounds they can get more people to come and pay a hundred bucks a month dues plus daily fees to use it. Indoor swimming pool and every thing.
You know, the only ideas that make fiscal sense in this is 1. pay off debt, 2. lower taxes drastically and make the government live off of a tightly controlled budget i.e. only necessary services that Government is supposed to provide, 3. let free market provide all other services that are not responsibility of government and invest in a infrastructure that along with reduced taxes would draw business into the county just for the low taxes.
IF you could get jobs and low almost nonexistant taxs, you would see a growth in the county and everyones bottom line would go up.
But it looks like the money much like pure brown heroin coming off the burrows back has gotten the folks dazed at the prospects of getting new toys to play with.
For Gods sake, a GOLF COURSE?? ROTFLMBO i can see it now yelling FORE whilest the cows are scattered across the fairways.
BTW if the Golf course would be such a good investment don't anyone think that Denis Griffiths (of Jack Nicolas Properties) would be out here buying up the 1000 acres to develop the course?
Well said there, Srkruzich. And you've proven that one doesn't need a committee or an organization to think.
Best to you boys. Stay right in there.
Back in 2007 under the Good Old Days section of this forum was a discussion of the Howard Golf Course.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,1963.0.html
1925. Of course, the county had a considerably different population & demographic profile then.
Not only that but it appears that it was a private corporation or entity that started it and maintained it through private membership fees and dues. couldn't have been government funded as it was a restricted membership course.
IF folks want a golf course then by all means start up a company to own it, and fund it through memberships and sales and the good ole fashioned way by earning it. Not taking taxpayer monies.
Who says any of this money will go for a golf course? Why don't you stick to real issues? Like taxes and road improvement. Our commissioners aren't going to put in a golf course until they fix the road so they won't get stuck getting to it. A golf course? Really!!!!
I think the county should take some of the money and buy gold coins. I don't think dollars are going to be worth much if everything keeps going the way it is now.
They failed to print this whole thing in the newspaper.
Especially this part
"Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)"
Quote from: Wilma on April 26, 2011, 12:54:34 PM
Who says any of this money will go for a golf course? Why don't you stick to real issues? Like taxes and road improvement. Our commissioners aren't going to put in a golf course until they fix the road so they won't get stuck getting to it. A golf course? Really!!!!
Obviously you didn't read the handout.
I read what was offered here on the Forum. A golf course was way down on the list and was listed only because it was one of the things that was suggested. I wonder why you picked up on the golf course when there are so many other suggestion ahead of it. Being picky, are you?
Quote from: Sarge on April 26, 2011, 01:09:40 PM
I think the county should take some of the money and buy gold coins. I don't think dollars are going to be worth much if everything keeps going the way it is now.
Thay won't happen because it makes sense.
Quote from: Wilma on April 28, 2011, 06:38:20 AM
I read what was offered here on the Forum. A golf course was way down on the list and was listed only because it was one of the things that was suggested. I wonder why you picked up on the golf course when there are so many other suggestion ahead of it. Being picky, are you?
Not really i already said what made the most sense. pay off debt, put money in bank, fix infrastructure under a well thought out budget to get the best price for everything. I heard that the county won't accept the lowest bid from a company outside of the county unless its 10% difference. this is insane. Heard also that they pay 2 bucks a gallon more for fuel from murphy oil instead of buying from another seller that is out of county. Thats insane. Theres where your money is being pissed away. Favors ontop of favors, peoples hands in other peoples pockets.
So i guess the next time your road doesn't get graded cause they say they don't have the fuel for it you can say not your problem, buy the fuel elsewhere cheaper so you can fix the road.
Be careful! I understand some services are adding delivery charges to their bill if they have to go some distance, so a savings might not be as it seems. Be sure and check.
While you are getting so concerned about this, maybe you should sit back and listen to the big picture. Those are all IDEAS!! That is the key word there. IDEAS!! Man, why worry about all of this until the whole windfarm thing is a done deal. You all are making this out to be some sort of terrible thing to have ideas, to have meetings, to basically be a person that has anything good to say about Elk Konnected. I am thinking that I am not sure that you guys even live in Elk county??? Do you???
No, you're right, I don't. I'll button up. :-[ :-X :P
Oh, Diane, wasn't talking about you. These things that Elk Konnected and county commissioners have are ideas, and to me no need to get worried about ideas.
I have hear that Steve doesn't live in Elk County, either. What about the rest of you?
I live and pay taxes in Moline, a city in Elk County. We were just the victim of the EK politics, and lost our school last year. :P
Quote from: Wilma on April 28, 2011, 04:10:44 PM
I have hear that Steve doesn't live in Elk County, either. What about the rest of you?
Oh for cripes sake, Wilma... there are a number of people who post here who reside outside Elk Co. Like it or not. Get over it already. Sheesh.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 28, 2011, 11:52:22 AM
While you are getting so concerned about this, maybe you should sit back and listen to the big picture. Those are all IDEAS!! That is the key word there. IDEAS!! Man, why worry about all of this until the whole windfarm thing is a done deal. You all are making this out to be some sort of terrible thing to have ideas, to have meetings, to basically be a person that has anything good to say about Elk Konnected. I am thinking that I am not sure that you guys even live in Elk county??? Do you???
Truthfully my dear I don't give a damn about the money that may or may not come about. It's the deception, manipulation and control that Elk Konnected uses. And Idea's are great but when they go to the extent of:
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
For more control That bothers me.
And when they blantantly lie about not using taxpayers money. That bothers me.
When the county commissioner starts the organization and turns it into a political action committee and is trying to manipulate the county commissioners by having people representing Elk Konnected come before the board. That bothers me.
Sure they do a couple of good things. It's comparable to giving a child a lollipop while playing a dirty trick on them. I believe in honesty.
That's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it especially since I pay taxes here in Elk County.
Quote from: Ross on April 28, 2011, 09:03:52 PM
Truthfully my dear I don't give a damn about the money that may or may not come about. It's the deception, manipulation and control that Elk Konnected uses. And Idea's are great but when they go to the extent of:
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
For more control That bothers me.
And when they blantantly lie about not using taxpayers money. That bothers me.
When the county commissionr starts the organization and turns it into a political action committee and is trying to manipulate the county commissioners by having people representing Elk Konnected come before the board. That bothers me.
Sure they do a couple of good things. It's comparable to giving a child a lollipop while playing a dirty trick on them. I believe in honesty.
That's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it especially since I pay taxes here in Elk County.
I don't like the fact that they just want one government either. I don't see that working. It just doesn't make any sense. But what I do see, not just in Elk County, people are changing. I don't like the economy, and we all know it's terrible. But with that change people change, too. They go into panic mode I think. I just can't get there. I feel going into a panic about money is just not worth it. Yes, we all need money to live, but at what expense is it worth the worry. I used to worry about money and the economy, but you know it got me no where but sick.
Also, I understand it doesn't matter where people are from or if they pay taxes here or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I get that. What I don't get is when someone else has a different opinion than the others, its like they are outcasted. Like Charlie, some of you don't like his views on things. And that is your opinion. He is entitled to his opinion just like you are. Why break the post down and all but call him white trash cause his opinion don't match yours. I like debate, but feel that one can't debate anything on here if they don't agree with the post. THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!
Well said, Angie. Why are some people so set on arguing that what they post is absolutely right and what someone else posts that differs a bit, is wrong? Why do some people want us all to get into a panic and overthrow the current government? What is their ulterior motive? So some posters disagree with and dislike one of our commissioners? The time to campaign is when the position comes up to be refilled. What do you want us to do about it now? Is this another nit-picking session?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 29, 2011, 06:37:19 AM
I don't like the fact that they just want one government either. I don't see that working. It just doesn't make any sense. But what I do see, not just in Elk County, people are changing. I don't like the economy, and we all know it's terrible. But with that change people change, too. They go into panic mode I think. I just can't get there. I feel going into a panic about money is just not worth it. Yes, we all need money to live, but at what expense is it worth the worry. I used to worry about money and the economy, but you know it got me no where but sick.
Also, I understand it doesn't matter where people are from or if they pay taxes here or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I get that. What I don't get is when someone else has a different opinion than the others, its like they are outcasted. Like Charlie, some of you don't like his views on things. And that is your opinion. He is entitled to his opinion just like you are. Why break the post down and all but call him white trash cause his opinion don't match yours. I like debate, but feel that one can't debate anything on here if they don't agree with the post. THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!
i agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. And my reason for posting this list was because I knew the newspaper wouldn't. The newspaper is Elk Konnected affiliated and therefore biased. And I also posted it to get a real conversation going. And i can agree to disagree and hopefully not offend anyone.
In my opinion the fact that Elk Konnected suggest on government for all the communities shows that they want to control Elk County.
Why, even when I spoke with the County Commissioners Board on Monday I could barely draw a difference between Elk Konnected and the Board. I do believe only one Commissioner is not involved with Elk Konnected. and that is Mr. Ritz.
While expressing my opinion to the board about Elk Konnected it was like a switch from County Commissioners to Elk Konnected.
Elk Konnected presents it self as if they represent all the people of Elk County and I believe it is more like 5 or 6% as someone else has pointed out. If the commissioners were really interested in the county peoples opinions as a whole they would take the proper leadership role and hole a special meeting open to the public without the 3 ring circus that Elk Konnected holds.
It's not just about a commissioner, it's about Elk Konnected. And the time to wake up is now. Not on election day. Look at the people running for the next president, they have already started positioning themselves. We need a couple of people to run for these offices that won't abuse the positions. We need to be looking now. I'd almost bet Elk Konnected has already got someone in mind.
Again it just my opinion.
Ross, I don't know who you are or what your connection to Elk County is, but. The idea of one government has been around for awhile. I have heard it mentioned before. It is not a new idea thought up by Elk Konnected. Sedgwick County even talks about it once in awhile. Also, when you say Elk Konnected, who specifically are you talking about? Are they citizens of Elk County? Couldn't it be that some Elk County citizens are finally beginning to take hold of an idea about improving Elk County? I haven't seen it happening before in the 60 some years that I have been in this area.
Quote from: Wilma on April 29, 2011, 10:27:58 AM
Ross, I don't know who you are or what your connection to Elk County is, but. The idea of one government has been around for awhile. I have heard it mentioned before. It is not a new idea thought up by Elk Konnected. Sedgwick County even talks about it once in awhile. Also, when you say Elk Konnected, who specifically are you talking about? Are they citizens of Elk County? Couldn't it be that some Elk County citizens are finally beginning to take hold of an idea about improving Elk County? I haven't seen it happening before in the 60 some years that I have been in this area.
I've got a small retirement farm in Elk County as I've said I pay my taxes. I believe about the idea being around for a long time. But today they have an organization that is trying to push it. And as I've said there is a blurr between our Elk County elected officials and Elk konnected. Elk Konnected won't say exactly who they are therefore I percieve DECEPTION. I do know Liz Hendricks our County Commissioner prides herself as a founding member. Elk Konnected is suppose to be county citizens but their public conversations are controlled and ran by Public Square Communities LLC out of Leota, Ks --- and in my opinion a three ring circus and they hold the whip.
we don't want you sitting with your spouse (nobody comes between me and my wife--nobody), we don't want you sitting with your friend. Also the fact that our newspaper considers itself an affiliate so you will never get the full story from them.
Elk Konnected's idea of improving anything is to hound the community city councils for money. I have been told the communities have been telling them no. And I don't see why Elk Konnected has any right to knock a communities city councils decision to opt out of anything that Howard wants. Why does Elk Konnected want to do away with the Longton Free Fair???? My guess is so Longton will donate to and participate more in Howards Fair. I love the little parades and events all these little communities have and the sweet thing is even if you don't live in these little communities you are treated like a long lost friend.
If it's such a good idea to get rid of these little communities city councils to save money. Do you suppose that senator or whoever, do you suppose he is right about consolidating the counties? We could be part of Montgomery County, Chataqua County and a couple others and have one centralized government in Independence, Ks.
I have tilled gardens for people (no charge), I have given farm fresh eggs to people (no charge), I have done other things (no charge).
Do i run to the newspaper looking for a pat on the back. Heck no, that's not why I give a helping hand. And I'm not looking for a pat on the back now. I just try to be helpful when I can and I don't collect taxpayers dollars for doing it. So maybe I'm a fool. But I enjoy life.
I have to get back to work here on my little retirement farm. I'll check back later.
Who are you talking about specifically when you say Elk Konnected? Are you talking about Liz Hendricks or someone that is not a citizen of Elk County? What I want is names, not the name of an organization. Maybe then I could put more credence to what you are saying.
As to combining city and county governments, I can't see how that would benefit anyone. And I am wondering if that can be done without letting the citizens vote on it.
What I am beginning to see here is "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
I have been reading all the posts concerning Elk Konnected and the Community Conversation, and I just have to remind Mr. Ross that the results of the conversation were from the citizens there...most of whom have nothing to do with Elk Konnected. Elk Konnected was there to help the citizens of Elk County say what they thought; and they did. It was an organized, well run meeting. I'm sure you do not know for sure how it went because the county sheriff's personnel removed you from the meeting for being disruptive very early on.
Again, what the final committee came up with had "lower taxes" and "dept reduction" as the first and largest responses on the list. Those were the opinions of the majority citizens attending the meeting.......not Elk Konnected (although some of us agree with those thoughts). Everyone had a say as to what they thought the county should do with the money. If someone wanted a golf course, that was their right to say so. I'm sure there weren't very many "golf course" replies on the list. Everyone has ideas, and Elk Konnected in no way had any imput to what ideas were put on the list. Please remember those were ideas. The county commisioners will make all the decisions concerning the money. They may or may not take the ideas into consideration.
Elk Konnected has done nothing but good in this community. If you would like to find out a little more about us, come join us for the soccer matches, Pitch, Hit, and Run competitions, and volunteer for the Community Service Day at West Elk Schools or Elk Valley schools. ...or join the Wellness Center.
Elk Konnected exists for the good of the citizens. You can growl and grumble all you want and have any opinion you want, but the truth is that Elk Konnected is a group of concerned citizens with no hidden agenda with again..the purpose of bettering the community of Elk County. We are not focused on one city.......it is for all the cities in the county.
Quote from: mayflower on April 29, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
It was an organized, well run meeting. I'm sure you do not know for sure how it went because the county sheriff's personnel removed you from the meeting for being disruptive very early on.
The county commisioners will make all the decisions concerning the money. They may or may not take the ideas into consideration.
Elk Konnected has done nothing but good in this community. If you would like to find out a little more about us, come join us for the soccer matches, Pitch, Hit, and Run competitions, and volunteer for the Community Service Day at West Elk Schools or Elk Valley schools. ...or join the Wellness Center.
Elk Konnected exists for the good of the citizens. You can growl and grumble all you want and have any opinion you want, but the truth is that Elk Konnected is a group of concerned citizens with no hidden agenda with again..the purpose of bettering the community of Elk County. We are not focused on one city.......it is for all the cities in the county.
So you are Elk Konnected that is good to know.
Let's get Elk Konnected striaght on my leaving the meeting and why shall we. I asked the gentleman from Leota, Ks. who was running the meeting as you call it to speak with him. He is from western Kansas not of Elk County. The thing was billed as a community conversation not as a thring ring circus with 25 rings. He siad he would talk with me outside and I said I would prefer to talk in front of the community after all it was billed in the newspaper as a community conversation. I was very polite and so was he. He politely put the microphone to his mouth and said where is the sheriff. At that point seeing that he was afriad to have a conversation I decided to excuse myself and started walking to the door. I did meet the deputies as I walked and they followed me out. The county sheriff's did not, I repeat they did not remove me. I did commend them on their behavior during the incident and I told their boss the Sheriff what excellent officers he had working for him. Now that's the truth. There was sonmeone else that I understand followed me out and was terribly upset with the man from Wichita county try to force him to join the circus of circle of chairs. And I saw the man try to coerce others to do the same thing. That not a conversation.
Now that we know you are Elk Konnected perhaps you can tell us who else is a registered member of Elk konnected, please? Who is their President, Chairperson, secretary, treasurer and their board of directors, please? I have people asking me and I don't have the answers. So please do tell us.
I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php . If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.
I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?
I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide?
Pcs has recieved nearly $60,000 in payments from at least his 15 customers. Do you think it's right to take student grants from kids in college who need it to pay tuitions? Oh Elk Konnected claims to have recieved $3000.00 at $50 a piece from 60 people and business. Who were all these donors. It's just not human nature for that many people to donate and not get credit/ recognition. I find it strange that it is the same amount as the school fund.
If we had a good investigative reporter on our newspaper they would disclose this information. But the editor informed me that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected. So there you go, it would never happen.
We have elected officials that can speak with the public if they were to step up to their leadership rolls and take the responsible of doing their own research and ask the people to talk to them. Elk Konnected has represented perhaps 5 or 6 percent of the community.
I have nothing against Elk Konnected untill they start trying to control the government.
Here is your chance to clear up some questions??????
What's the Sheriff doing at their meeting?
QuoteNow that we know you are Elk Konnected perhaps you can tell us who else is a registered member of Elk konnected, please? Who is their President, Chairperson, secretary, treasurer and their board of directors, please? I have people asking me and I don't have the answers. So please do tell us.
If you do a search for Elk Konnected here on the forum, you'll find several threads that mention the officers, along with reports from meetings and accounts of meetings.
Mayflower I am anxiously awaiting some answers. Please.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 29, 2011, 07:43:47 PM
If you do a search for Elk Konnected here on the forum, you'll find several threads that mention the officers, along with reports from meetings and accounts of meetings.
I really tried, I typed Elk Konnected in the search box and didn't find much. Would you mind doing your search again and paste the link here so I can go where ssver you were. Thanks.
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 29, 2011, 07:35:43 PM
What's the Sheriff doing at their meeting?
Obvious! to throw out anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink. Remember orwell 1984!
I did a google and found more information on google.The search actually took me back to a page on this forum. There I found a link that took me to Kansas Business Center at Kansas .gov Elk Konnected is a Limited Liability Company. A Private Company.
Check it out for your self
https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5
Business Entity Search
Date: 04/29/2011
Business Information
Current Entity Name
Business Entity ID Number
ELK KONNECTED LLC
6368807
Current Mailing Address: 1425 Mule, HOWARD, KS 67349
Business Entity Type: KANSAS LTD LIABILITY COMPANY
Date of Formation in Kansas: 09/30/2009
State of Organization: KS
Current Status: CORPORATION IS DELINQUENT
Resident Agent and Registered Office
Resident Agent: RICHARD L FISH
Registered Office: 1425 Mule, HOWARD, KS 67349
Annual Reports
The following annual report information is valid for active and delinquent status entities only.
Tax Closing Month: 12
The Last Annual Report on File: 00/0000
Next Annual Report Due: 04/15/2011
Forfeiture Date: 07/15/2011
Now how many members of the private company are out there. Not I have a better idea why they don't want to talk. I just don't understand why. What do they have to hide?
People that think they are members are really only being used. How does that feel? Personally I don't like it. And I don't like their lies. Sure they give you a lollipop to keeep you happy and even put you on a committe but do they let you be a part of their Limited Libiablity Company. No you are not good enough.
I'm sorry to break the news of any believers.
Wow. A group of people actually did something instead of just talk. A llc was created to open the fitness center. How do you get a group of people to sign a lease? get insurance? You are brilliant. A group of people,from every part of the area, created an entity to do something positive. They raised money, applied for grants and got one to help jump start the jumping jacks. They purchased equipment, hired an employee, and are now burning fat. What is the problem?
A group of people attended a meeting to discuss the wind funds. You don't get to talk to the entire group so you leave. You missed out on the discussion. The small groups work better getting your point across. You do not have to wait for the other 199 people to speak. You can hear your group and voice your opinions to an actual human one on one. There is no grandstanding, preaching, or fighting. My views differs from almost everyone but in a small group it is heard. Every group forms a list of issues. The issues are voiced to the assembly as a whole and logged on a sheet. The sheets are summarized at the end of the evening. The ideas, views, and comments are presented to the commissioners at a regular public meeting.
The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors. They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms. No one is running the show the show is running itself. If you want to be involved all you have to do is show up. Act civil to others and they will reciprocate. There is no state or national entity that sets out rules or issues. The issues are generated from those who attend. Elk konnected did not create the issues only a means to communicate. They have taken on problems that have been ignored or did not materialize until people got together and brought it up.
A private company. Yes. With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.
Stay with us as we grow!
Quote from: ADP on April 29, 2011, 10:02:17 PM
Wow. A group of people actually did something instead of just talk. A llc was created to open the fitness center. How do you get a group of people to sign a lease? get insurance? You are brilliant. A group of people,from every part of the area, created an entity to do something positive. They raised money, applied for grants and got one to help jump start the jumping jacks. They purchased equipment, hired an employee, and are now burning fat. What is the problem?
A group of people attended a meeting to discuss the wind funds. You don't get to talk to the entire group so you leave. You missed out on the discussion. The small groups work better getting your point across. You do not have to wait for the other 199 people to speak. You can hear your group and voice your opinions to an actual human one on one. There is no grandstanding, preaching, or fighting. My views differs from almost everyone but in a small group it is heard. Every group forms a list of issues. The issues are voiced to the assembly as a whole and logged on a sheet. The sheets are summarized at the end of the evening. The ideas, views, and comments are presented to the commissioners at a regular public meeting.
The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors. They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms. No one is running the show the show is running itself. If you want to be involved all you have to do is show up. Act civil to others and they will reciprocate. There is no state or national entity that sets out rules or issues. The issues are generated from those who attend. Elk konnected did not create the issues only a means to communicate. They have taken on problems that have been ignored or did not materialize until people got together and brought it up.
A private company. Yes. With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.
Stay with us as we grow!
I believe I am speaking to Mr. Perkins of Howard, Am I right? pep@sktc.net.
To open a business is one thing it's another to try to control the county through deception.
The licenses is fo Elk Konnected LLC, not the fitness center. The fitnes center is a by-product of EK LLC
The fitness center is nothing but it is a Howard business though. How many Members do you have there?
What do they charge for membership?
Don't be bashfull, Why are you hiding?
Who owns the company? Who is the CEO, The CFO? How much do they get paid?
Why does Elk Konnected continue to lie about using taxpayers money?
Please open the doors to the truth.
Or do you need Mr Woodbury and his people to tell you what to do?
Mr. Woodbury isn't here to stop this conversation so let's talk. Lets have a real conversation. Please.
Talk with us.
Quote from: Wilma on April 29, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Who are you talking about specifically when you say Elk Konnected? Are you talking about Liz Hendricks or someone that is not a citizen of Elk County? What I want is names, not the name of an organization. Maybe then I could put more credence to what you are saying.
As to combining city and county governments, I can't see how that would benefit anyone. And I am wondering if that can be done without letting the citizens vote on it.
What I am beginning to see here is "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
Hi Wilma,
I think I like you and I haven't even met you.
You know a great more about this beautiful county that I do.
I truly wish, I knew who I'm talking about. But the people that licensed Elk Konnected LLC are staying in hiding. What Elk Konnected truely is, is staying in hiding. Ask them and they will tell you nothing? What I have learned so far is Elk Konnected LLC is a secreative organization that is using tax dollars and they claim to have collected money from 60 people and companies that they claim as supporters (but won't say who).
The licenses is not for the fitnes center it is for Elk Konnected LLC which then opened the fitness center. Opening the fitness center is great for Howard it gives that community another business entity. I suppose since it is owned by a non-profit company it is not required to pay city taxes, which again is okay.
People can and I do believe work together, I've seen it in various areas through out my life tiem. But there will always be conflicts that need to be discussed. I have a friend that has recently got on one of Elk Konnected LLC panels and I wll not let that interfere with our friendship and neither will he. We have simply agreed to disagree on this subject. I won't put him down and he won't put me down. Friendships are to precious.
Elk Konnected LLC keeps refering to a group of people and I ask what people and I ask who. But there is no conversation on their part.
It appears to me that Elk Konnected LLC came about during the time of exploratory finds on the wind farm and licensed before the contracts were written. Perhaps that is coincedence, perhaps not.
Elk Konnected LLC say's be civil and others will be civil. Well I think I tried to be civil. I have asked who runs Elk Konnected LLC and they won't give a civil answer. They won't gave an answer period.
No the sky is not falling? Just asking questions? For instance a group of people that aproach a government entity in order to influence that government's legislation and decision making decisions is considered a Political Action Committe by definition. Is that what Elk Konnected LLC is that what Elk Konnected LLC is? They appear to be just that?
Everything about Elk Konnected appears to be Howard connected. Sure they go out to the little bitty communities and ask for money so they can give something to that little bitty community and take credit for it and Elk Konnected LLC can make newspaper headlines.
The summer day camps that are coming up where do you suppose the money will be coming from that? I read on the State web pages tha Howard recieved a large grant from the state to do that, tax payers dollars. If I can find it again, I'll post the link. But I believe we will be hearing it called Elk Konnected LLC day camp open for everyone.
No the sky isn't falling, but perhaps the deception will. Perhaps Elk Konnected LLC will answer some questions about who they are instead of saying who they are using (the general public) to make them look good.
Ross -
As requested, this is where I searched:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced
If you type in Elk Konnected, you'll find about 3 pages of forum messages.
I did notice that the Elk Konnected corp is in delinquency. That if i am not mistaken is supposed to stop them from operating as a LLC until their current doesn't it.
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers? I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member. You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.
As far as help from outside is concerned, how were our 4-H clubs formed originally? Did some Elk County citizen come up with the idea or was there help from outside? Same goes for Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, even churches are originally helped by something outside of Elk County. It has become quite apparent that Elk County needs outside help in getting anything going as anything that speaks of progress is continually shot down by naysayers.
There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now. Whatever happened to it? I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.
I have actually lived in Elk County for only 7 years, but my connections go back to 1947 when my parents bought a farm in Union Center where my mother lived until 1985. My husband and I owned pasture in the same area for 12 years, until he died. We bought and I still own property inside city limits of Howard. I worked in Elk County for 5 years in the 1970's. I have seen a lot of the history of progress of Elk County. None of it was accomplished by shooting down the attempts to have what other communities have. Au contraire, a lot of progress has disappeared. Now we have someone that (make that several someones) are trying to bring us into the 21st century and give our children a chance at some of the things that bigger communities take for granted. So what if we have to go to someone outside the county? If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.
I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it. I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County. If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.
Quote from: ADP on April 29, 2011, 10:02:17 PM
...The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors. They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms. No one is running the show the show is running itself.
A private company. Yes. With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.
I would be willing to take you up on your lexan wall & open door pronouncements. Lexan is a wonderful product, and I'm sure the information requested below, in total, would go a long way toward clearing up any misconceptions that skeptics might have about who Elk Konnected LLC is, how it functions, what its' objectives, methods and outcomes are or have been. Thanks, in advance, for your help. Will you or anyone, make available, here on this side of the lexan walls, the following information for public view?
1. File stamped copies of the Elk Konnected Articles of Organization and any amendments thereto that are on file with the KS Secretary of State and any pre-organization memorandums, notes or agreements.
2. Any Operating Agreements, and amendments, created by Elk Konnected, LLC pursuant to KSA 17-7663 et seq.
3. All records filed with any taxing authority relating to any tax exempt status of Elk Konnected, LLC and any correspondence between Elk Konnect, LLC and those taxing authorities.
4. Copies of all Annual Reports filed with the Kansas Secretary of State by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
5. The name(s) of any Manager, past or present, of Elk Konnected, LLC as defined by KSA 17-7663 et seq.
6. The names of all persons admitted as members (past & present) pursuant to KSA 17-7686, the Articles of Organization or any operating agreements of Elk Konnected, LLC also indicating their share of partnership interest in the LLC. If any admitted member is a corporation, LLC, LP or trust, also indicate the names of that member's directors, officers, partners, or trustees and beneficiaries.
7. Copies of any contracts, agreements or other documents relating to the ongoing operations or associations that Elk Konnected has with any parties whether admitted members of Elk Konnected or outside parties.
8. Information reflecting any payments (in cash or services) made to admitted members or outside parties for any services rendered to Elk Konnected, LLC. since its' inception.
9. Information & records relating to any grants received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such grants and the disposition of all grant monies received.
10. Information & records relating to any loans received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such loans and the disposition of all loan monies received.
11. Any records reflecting all assets (tangible or intangible) owned by by Elk Konnected, LLC, and the net present value of those assets.
12. Records identifying details regarding any property, real or personal, currently leased or rented by or on loan to Elk Konnected, LLC., including the property owner's name and address.
13. The name and address of any attorney of record for Elk Konnected, LLC.
14. The name and address of any Certified Public Accountant or other accountant or bookkeeper currently or previously serving Elk Konnected, LLC.
15. The number and total dollar value of all contributions or donations received by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
16. A listing of all past and present projects and undertakings of Elk Konnected, LLC that provide a community service or are designed to enhance/develop/improve the Elk County community. Any objective measure of the results of those undertakings would also be helpful.
Quote from: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers? I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member. You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.
As far as help from outside is concerned, how were our 4-H clubs formed originally? Did some Elk County citizen come up with the idea or was there help from outside? Same goes for Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, even churches are originally helped by something outside of Elk County. It has become quite apparent that Elk County needs outside help in getting anything going as anything that speaks of progress is continually shot down by naysayers.
There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now. Whatever happened to it? I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.
I have actually lived in Elk County for only 7 years, but my connections go back to 1947 when my parents bought a farm in Union Center where my mother lived until 1985. My husband and I owned pasture in the same area for 12 years, until he died. We bought and I still own property inside city limits of Howard. I worked in Elk County for 5 years in the 1970's. I have seen a lot of the history of progress of Elk County. None of it was accomplished by shooting down the attempts to have what other communities have. Au contraire, a lot of progress has disappeared. Now we have someone that (make that several someones) are trying to bring us into the 21st century and give our children a chance at some of the things that bigger communities take for granted. So what if we have to go to someone outside the county? If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.
I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it. I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County. If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.
GREAT POST, WELL SAID WILMA, and I agree fully. I agree completely that Liz is all for helping any group she can in Elk County. I do not think Liz deserves all of the trash being thrown her way. Liz, ignore it and keep on keeping on.
Gov't grant money........... Why didn't they use their own money to invest in their own LLC?
It was mentioned that they don't have a Sargent of arms, but the Sheriff was in attendance.
It appears that they don't want opposing views at their gatherings.
I didn't see birth certificate listed as one of the documents that should be made public.
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 30, 2011, 09:07:27 AM
Gov't grant money........... Why didn't they use their own money to invest in their own LLC?
It was mentioned that they don't have a Sargent of arms, but the Sheriff was in attendance.
It appears that they don't want opposing views at their gatherings.
That would only happen in a public meeting. This is a private meeting as in PRIVATE corp. They have the right to deny access to anyone as they are not a government entity. Kinda interesting that a government entity would use a private corp to limit public discussion.
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money. Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue? Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.
Yeah, this country is falling apart. Tyranny appears to be the thing of the future.
But we have the right to oppose it as much as we can.
You go Wilma :)
I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.
I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
found this doing research...............
Nice article - I agree with it.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 30, 2011, 07:20:51 AM
Ross -
As requested, this is where I searched:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced
If you type in Elk Konnected, you'll find about 3 pages of forum messages.
Thanks a lot I'll check it out.
Quote from: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 07:50:07 AM
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers? I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member. You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.
There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now. Whatever happened to it? I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.
So what if we have to go to someone outside the county? If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.
I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it. I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County. If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.
I tried asking at a community conversation, and had the sheriff's deputies called so I excused my self and walked out. I have been asking right here on this forum and I know they are out there but won't respond. Why?
Elk konnected is not just an organization it is a privately hel company. Have you ever been to one of the company meetings? Not the so called communittee coversations but on of the companies private meetings. A book I can open up and read, a company is not a book.
I just don't understand this statement, "If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help."
I have never tried to drive anyone out of office, never. But she does tend to confuse the hat's she wears. While acting as County commissioner she took a defensive stance as Elk Konnected. That is quite confusing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money. Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue? Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.
Not that's not nice, something said like that could incite something . I don't think anyone really feels like that around here.. Tell me you are joking.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.
I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
Do You live in Stella, Missouri now. Is that part of the beautiful Ozarks?
All I've been doing is asking questions and I don't get no answers and I don't believe that is insuating anything. As a taxpayer, living here I feel I have that right when someone is trying to influence the use of my taxes. Elk Konnectedd is leading everyone to believe they run Elk Konnected when they are not even members. Now that's insuating something that is not true. Who is really play games here. If perhaps we would have had people asking questions about our financial world our country would not be in a financial crisis and millions of people would not have lost their homes and retirement funds. No body cared to ask the questions. But I'd almost bet, (because I am not a betting man) they would not have recieved any answers. Much like our situation right now, nobody answere for Elk Konnected. Oh and the financial world di great untill it fell apart. and who pays.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money. Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue? Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.
I believe, I stated that it appears the Elk Konnected came about, at about the same time that the wind farm company was doing it's consideration of tis area and before the contracts were signed. These people that do this stuff with land surveys and wind study's and such don't work over night.
Do people carry guns to meetings in Delaware? I've never seen it here.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 09:25:10 AM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money. Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue? Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.
What people, whi were they?
Yes, of course I was kidding about checking guns.....I'll leave it at that. Yes, we've had people with carry permits have guns at meetings, but when a US Marshal or police officer we all know comes it's no big deal. We all know each other. Now a stranger displaying a weapon might be something else. I'm sure the first people who donated were known and acknowledged but I'm not the one to ask. Someone else on here may remember. May I ask why it matters now?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 10:41:39 AM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
found this doing research...............
Avery nice letter. But if she is Elk Konnected writing to yourself is kind of weird isn't it/
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 04:41:02 PM
Yes, of course I was kidding about checking guns.....I'll leave it at that. Yes, we've had people with carry permits have guns at meetings, but when a US Marshal or police officer we all know comes it's no big deal. We all know each other. Now a stranger displaying a weapon might be something else. I'm sure the first people who donated were known and acknowledged but I'm not the one to ask. Someone else on here may remember. May I ask why it matters now?
As I have stated they won't tell. And the amount they claim is the same as the $3000.00 School Grant they recieved from the Kansas State Department of Commerce. That is just to much of a coincidence.
I would still like to know just who it is that you are asking that won't tell. They covers a lot of people.
QuoteDo You live in Stella, Missouri now. Is that part of the beautiful Ozarks?
Yeah I do.....ooohhhh how'd you find out where I live? LOL! WE do, but I still have PLENTY of tax-payin relatives in that neck of the woods, I was born, raised and spent almost 40 of my 50 years there. We left for the reasons that from what I can tell ELK Konnected is tryin to do somethin about.....no jobs, no future for my kids except leavin. I'm real happy your a tax-paying land-owner, so are my relatives LOL. I f you want to know answers so bad ask the people who are INVOLVED instead of fishin from people who obviously ARENT and stompin around sniffin the corners for S*&^ the way you are on here! Go to a meeting and participate instead of grand-standin like you're the caped crusader for Christs sake.
Quote from: Ross on April 30, 2011, 05:14:11 PM
Avery nice letter. But if she is Elk Konnected writing to yourself is kind of weird isn't it/
uh....it's a magazine article to the CITIZENS of Elk county.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
Yeah I do.....ooohhhh how'd you find out where I live? LOL! WE do, but I still have PLENTY of tax-payin relatives in that neck of the woods, I was born, raised and spent almost 40 of my 50 years there. We left for the reasons that from what I can tell ELK Konnected is tryin to do somethin about.....no jobs, no future for my kids except leavin. I'm real happy your a tax-paying land-owner, so are my relatives LOL. I f you want to know answers so bad ask the people who are INVOLVED instead of fishin from people who obviously ARENT and stompin around sniffin the corners for S*&^ the way you are on here! Go to a meeting and participate instead of grand-standin like you're the caped crusader for Christs sake.
uh....it's a magazine article to the CITIZENS of Elk county.
I left Independence in 1966 to serve in the military. I came back after 4 years and there was no work so I reenlisted. In 1976 I went to work for Arco pipeline fro East Chicago to Corpus Christi and places in between. After ten years I, along with quite a few others got layed off. I became jobless and homeless for several months during the winter. I moved to Washington State lived in my pick up truck and looked for work and worked several jobs while waiting to be hired at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. From there I was forced into disability retirement due to an on the job injury and I chose this County to live in versus Montgomery. I like this county a lot.
AS I've said several times those are not the company meetings. When they tell you don't sit with your spouse, don't sit with your neighbor that's just not friendly in my opinion no matter what the excuse they give, nothing comes between me and my wife--nothing. And she feels exactly the same way. I was told several people at that last meeting asked questions about the company and none were answered. I know that EK iis on here but again no answers.
The Ozarks must be simply beautiful all greened up by now. I loved driving through the Ozarks although it has been a long time since I've been there. I'll never forget it but I'll probably never see it again except in pictures. I just have no desire to roam from my little piece of heaven on earth. I've had plenty of roaming in my life.
Have a great weekend.
I know lots of people that are part of Elk Konnect. They have different committees and different people are on the different committees from all over the county and Severy. Ross, what is so wrong with a fitness center??? Have you ever struggled with your weight??? Have you not seen on the news and all that you read that obsesity is becoming a killer??
This topic is making me just sick!!! Seriously!! When I was growing up in Severy, we had a group of people that were trying to raise money for a community center for the kids, and another group of citizens fought against this group. This is what I see happening here. Not what is good for the whole county, but what is good for you, look out for number one!! I don't like that kind of thinking!! I hope to live in Elk County the rest of my life, and I sure would like to think that there is something here in a few years. At the rate that you all are thinking and acting, man there won't be anything left because the people that are the doers are the ones that you are ALWAYS knocking down. Do you know that is what bugs me about being a 4-H leader!! If want to know something about something, go to meetings, participate in things. Try to be active in things, not the ones standing around complaining all the time!!! SO DONE WITH THIS!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 30, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
I know lots of people that are part of Elk Konnect. They have different committees and different people are on the different committees from all over the county and Severy. Ross, what is so wrong with a fitness center??? Have you ever struggled with your weight??? Have you not seen on the news and all that you read that obsesity is becoming a killer??
This topic is making me just sick!!! Seriously!! When I was growing up in Severy, we had a group of people that were trying to raise money for a community center for the kids, and another group of citizens fought against this group. This is what I see happening here. Not what is good for the whole county, but what is good for you, look out for number one!! I don't like that kind of thinking!! I hope to live in Elk County the rest of my life, and I sure would like to think that there is something here in a few years. At the rate that you all are thinking and acting, man there won't be anything left because the people that are the doers are the ones that you are ALWAYS knocking down. Do you know that is what bugs me about being a 4-H leader!! If want to know something about something, go to meetings, participate in things. Try to be active in things, not the ones standing around complaining all the time!!! SO DONE WITH THIS!!
I'll try once again. Elk Konnected LLC is a company, not a group. Someone owns it. Elk Konnected use groups to do their bidding. LLC means Limited Liability Company. As a non-profit company they have to file with the State and IRS as a company. The company Elk Konnected started the fitnes center which may or may not be required to bbe licensed with the City of Howard. I have never said anything was wrong with the fitness center. I have asked how many use it and how much it cost for membership. The company Elk Konnected LLC does not publish their meetings. They publish what they call Community Conversations which has nothing to do with the company's meetings. I just can make it any simpler than that. Community Conversations are not Company Meetings.
As far as my weight I did at one time put on quite a few too many pounds and it took me two years to take it off. And right now I pay attention in hopes that it never happens again. i simply pushed away from the table and don't have extra helpings and I ate an awful lot of oat meal something I never did like. Now that I am older I like it occassionally.
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8. Maybe you should call some of the GROUP people then, instead of asking on here?????? Wouldn't that be the way to get the answers??? I mean, or send a letter. Seems to me you know EVERYTHING about this GROUP!!! I didn't know it was an LLC, and really that doesn't bother me. I have to say what bothers me is that I feel you are putting this group down at every turn they make. I know you don't like that they use tax dollars to fund it, but do you have solid proof about that?? So, one person is in two groups!! Not to many volunteers jumping to help do to many things around here. I know that its hard enough to get parents to want to become involved in the groups that their children are part of, sometimes it is. And once people know that you will help out, they will always call you. That's because they know that you will help out. I am always sending treats to Girl Scouts, spent countless hours working Auction sales for 4-H, given teachers gifts to show that what they do for my child is appreciated, and I would do it again in a heart beat. Not for the glory, but because it's the right and nice thing to do. Maybe whoever gave the start up money don't want that kind of recognition, they just wanted to give to see something nice done for the community.
I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago. They did ask for donations also and some people do like to donate to things anonymously so they don't get hounded by other people also looking for donations.This forum, as much as I'm sure some would like it to be, is not the be all and end all of Elk County. There are people who support EK who would not like to be announced on the forum as they don't like the gossip. I'd talk more about this but then I'd be rude and I don't want to be.
I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem? If they didn't get it someone else would have. Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 30, 2011, 08:46:58 PM
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8. Maybe you should call some of the GROUP people then, instead of asking on here?????? Wouldn't that be the way to get the answers??? I mean, or send a letter. Seems to me you know EVERYTHING about this GROUP!!! I didn't know it was an LLC, and really that doesn't bother me. I have to say what bothers me is that I feel you are putting this group down at every turn they make. I know you don't like that they use tax dollars to fund it, but do you have solid proof about that?? So, one person is in two groups!! Not to many volunteers jumping to help do to many things around here. I know that its hard enough to get parents to want to become involved in the groups that their children are part of, sometimes it is. And once people know that you will help out, they will always call you. That's because they know that you will help out. I am always sending treats to Girl Scouts, spent countless hours working Auction sales for 4-H, given teachers gifts to show that what they do for my child is appreciated, and I would do it again in a heart beat. Not for the glory, but because it's the right and nice thing to do. Maybe whoever gave the start up money don't want that kind of recognition, they just wanted to give to see something nice done for the community.
Okay, I have tried to be as clear as I possibly can. I don't know everything about Elk Konnected LLC the company. I do know the their so called community conversations are very controlled and you are only allowed to talk to people in you circle that you are asked to join in, untill Elk Konnected permits you to change circles and you may only discuss what Elk Konnected wants you to talk about. And that is brought about peer pressure. I also know that Elk Konnected doesn't want us to consider them a privately owned company. And now that we know Elk Konnected doesn't want us to know who owns the company.
Pleas show me where i have put Elk Konnected down and I will eat my words.
As far as writing a letter, using a postage stamp, that is the old fashioned way, we are now in the 21st Century and the digital era. This forum is the modern way to communicate. And it allows others who may be interested know and understand what is transpiring. not just one person. Even Elk Konnected, LLC is aware of that with their web page. And like any political or company they monitor what is happening one thweb to know what is going on in their interest or otherwise. This particular 6thread of Elk County Forum is for political discussions and I do thank the owners of this Forum for providing this form of communication. I am also certain if the owners of this web site were biased or offended they would remove this thread. And if I had crossed any lines moving into derrogatory behavior they would quickly let me know or even remove me from as a member of this site.
I have never said I don't like them using tax dollars. I have said, I don't like that they deny using tax dollars. Yes I have proved they use tax dollars. School grants from the Kansas Department of Commerce are funded by taxes. At the County Commissioners meeting Liz argued that Elk Konnected LLC never saw that money, that the money went straight to Public Squares Community. it really make no difference if the money got to Public Squares Cummunities by homing pigeon or by snail mail. The money was to pay Public Squares Communities for their services on behalf of Elk Konnected LLC. She still insisted they don't use tax payers dollars and I reminded her that just before i stood before the commisioners the Elk Konnected LLC Youth Services was infront of them asking for money and recieved it and i asked her if that was tax money. I recieved no answer.
As you said you didn't know that Elk Konnected is an LLC and it doesn't bother you. And that's fine with me. But I would like to know who owns a private company that wants to influence our elected officials and who wants to control our tax doallars and how they are spent. I really don't care how many lollipops they throw out to appease a few people, the little soccer play times, the card playing that's lollipops. I don't care how many people they put on panerls to make them feel important to appease them. The important aspect of this whole thig are those that hide behind closed doors.
Please tell me why they are hiding?
We are communicating a whole lot better than Elk Konnected. Oh FYI I'm not using some fictious name
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 09:18:26 AM
I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago. They did ask for donations also and some people do like to donate to things anonymously so they don't get hounded by other people also looking for donations.This forum, as much as I'm sure some would like it to be, is not the be all and end all of Elk County. There are people who support EK who would not like to be announced on the forum as they don't like the gossip. I'd talk more about this but then I'd be rude and I don't want to be.
I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem? If they didn't get it someone else would have. Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn.
"I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago."
What exactly do you know about that fund raiser. Share that with us please.
"If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem?" The denial, the continuous denial that they use tax dollars. Openly sayig in the newspaper that they don't us tax payers money.
"Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn." It wasn't Elk County that got the school grant, see that's how things get mixed up. It was Elk Konnected LLC that got the grant.
I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. What's there not not to be sure of. Read the post directly above this one.And if you still have questions I will try and do my best to provide a proper answer. If I can't I will definitly say so.
And yes I thinks it is a great idea of yours to keep everything civil. Kudos to you.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on April 30, 2011, 08:46:58 PM
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8.
Thank you very much for that information. $25 a month is not a bad deal.
Quote from: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 09:12:17 AM
I didn't see birth certificate listed as one of the documents that should be made public.
Wow! Who asked for a birth certificate?
How rude.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.
I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
"I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......"
"Campaign of insuations" Really? What specific insuations? Please be specific?
I'd really like to know the insuations.
"Just stirrin turds to see if any float"
Now that is just Crass with a capital "C".
Insinuations of a "dark purpose"......... insinuations of improper practices......insinuations of conflict of interest.......insinuations of ulterior motives etc etc etc etc.
as for the stirrin turds....it applies to what you are doing. Dont jump down my neck and call me crass or anything else for callin a spade a spade.
I AINT your huckleberry so move on.
QuoteOh FYI I'm not using some fictious name
Everybody on here knows exactly who lookatmeknow is.........we've known her since we were kids.
QuoteWhen they tell you don't sit with your spouse, don't sit with your neighbor that's just not friendly in my opinion no matter what the excuse they give, nothing comes between me and my wife--nothing. And she feels exactly the same way.
uh instead of a dark purpose maybe they wanted to mix people up so DIFFERENT ideas would be discussed and hammered out instead of ONE idea and some gladhandin........just a thought. Really HIGHLY doubt they were tryin to break up your marriage....use a little common sense instead of paranoia!
QuoteThe Ozarks must be simply beautiful all greened up by now. I loved driving through the Ozarks although it has been a long time since I've been there. I'll never forget it but I'll probably never see it again except in pictures. I just have no desire to roam from my little piece of heaven on earth. I've had plenty of roaming in my life.
yes it is and it's a great place to live. as for roamin I roam all the time, I roam up there pretty often. I had my little piece of heaven there too....unFORtunately it was move or starve...so dont tell me how wonderful things are there....if you are on disability and have that check and dont have to drive 100 miles to work every day it is an EXCELLANT place to live.
Oh yeah.....I'm done. Yall have a nice MayDay :)
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about? Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about? Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.
Diane, I think one of the concerns is the fact that, behind the informal public group there is, in reality, a formal company, with a charter and a select (as in legally admitted 'membership) group who operate with a certain impunity and lack of transparency. That group (the LLC) is not accountable to the community at large, yet are undertaking to guide (facilitate) community meetings and in some cases solicit monies from taxpayer (in the form of grant and direct local subsidy) sources and act to provide input to a government decision making body. While much can be known about the 'public' face of this private group, almost nothing can be known about the private face. Financial accountability, beyond the petty cash level that the LLC chooses to reveal, is non-existent. Of the charter under which the LLC was created, only the date of formation and the name/address of the resident agent are readily discoverable. Of the outside affiliations the LLC has chosen to engage, virtually nothing is known in any detail. The fact is that
public knowledge of the LLC is virtually nonexistent, beyond anything the LLC chooses to disclose, and the
public impression of that group is created largely by actions or advertising the LLC decides to initiate. One thing the public can know, is that a a local elected official has substantial involvement (as in potential management/official staff position) with both the local LLC and the outside community organizing company discussed in the next paragraph. Not really very transparent in the eyes of an objective observer.
The local private group has seen fit to retain and pay for outside community organization services. It was the outside source that told some people, in no uncertain terms, that they could not participate in the most recently facilitated 'community discussion' unless they chose to separate themselves from spouses and close friends and sit in circles of people they did not know. If those conditions were imposed by government, there would be a violation of the constitutional right of free assembly. When done in the setting at hand, it was highly offensive and reeked of subterfuge and manipulation. Of course, 'their meeting/their rules' surely apply, the appearance was something far short of an 'open public' forum. Before someone disputes the claims of fact of this paragraph, know that Ross, myself and at least five others were witnesses to what is claimed.
Until a complaint emerged at a commission meeting, the local LLC was given unpaid space (an official link and page) on an official government website. Again, a fact witnessed by a room full of people. Who missed the ethical boat on that one? If that had been a church, the ACLU would have given birth to a cow with threats of litigation and injunction. Yet, it's no big deal only because of the public image that the company has been able to create among a rather insulated population with a few minor community improvements (a small exercise center, kids ball game and camping sponsorships, etc.). With local prices being necessarily higher than other communities, the job market being virtually nonexistent, the population in decline, infrastructure being substandard in many cases, mill levy's & per capita property taxes being among the highest in the state, the prospect for real job growth through business development being beyond bleak, Ross's lollipop analogy when referring to Elk Konnected's community contributions seems somehow very generous. While hope springs eternal, sometimes the facts remain unchanged.
Even the county public employee who is charged with guiding community development is believed to have been officially tasked with maintaining a Facebook page for the private LLC. Wouldn't that be considered ethically questionable and a potential misappropriation of taxpayer monies (in terms of the public salary involved)?
You see people on this forum (myself included) complain about corporate welfare/abuse, federal and state government overreaching/abuse of power, and a myriad of other issues based on minuscule evidence (general news or editorial input from various unverifiable and possibly biased sources). Here, we have a local and intimate operation at work to drive public opinion (and very possibly local tax monies) the core of which is virtually unseen & unknown by the public at large. But let a few folks ask what should be very legitimate questions and they are openly ignored, minimized, demonized or told to join the parade in order to get the answers needed to determine if joining the parade is a prudent personal choice. Personally, I don't want to jump in the shower all at once to find out if the water is too hot. I would rather ask questions and get open honest answers before I jump in with my time, energy and money. If being prudent is a crime, then get the hangin' rope.
Now, before you or anyone else asks 'what about the windfarm an how the LLC has helped promote it', let's consider an irrefutable fact or two. Foremost is the reality that at the core of the Elk Konnected/Public Square promotion of the wind project are:
1) People whose close family and/or family enterprises some of whom will be receiving potentially millions of dollars in personal benefits via lease payments on land they own. In itself, that's great. But when married to a private group bent on driving public opinion on the matter and to related persons who hold elected office, the picture is not so clear.
2) People in 1 above who are, and have very likely been, involved in the official courting of and negotiating for the entire project for years with both the project developer & federal and state agencies. This even further muddies the picture for an astute observer.
3) People who have or stand to receive, in part, financial reward for their efforts in enhancing the local LLC and its' public image.
If not for a few 'evil skeptics' who believe in the public having ALL the facts that reflect on the true nature of government/private partnerships/relationships and other dealings that might well affect their futures, lives and choices in leadership, these issues might never have brought forward for public scrutiny. Now, I ask you, who is it that really have the best interests of the citizens of Elk County at heart?
Moral to an old story about a stubborn bird who wanted something different:
All those who put you in the s^*t aren't necessarily your enemies, and all those who seem to get you out, aren't necessarily your friends.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 01:20:10 PM
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about? Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.
Wow, that's right someone did have a wine tasting party. I had completely forgot about that. I didn't pay any attention to that, because I don't drink. If I have a drink it's because I have a cold or a touch of the flu. I only use alcohol for medicinal purposes. But that a great way to raise funds.
As far as they run their community conversations I don't really care. I just won't have anyone or any business coming between my wife and myself no matter the circumstances and my wife feels the same way. We don't take our marriage lightly. We have a great relationship and plan to keep it that way. One time we had a friend try to come between us. I repeat had a friend. We had the same happen with a relative try to come between us, they are still a relative but not welcome around us. We feel that strongly about our marriage. So, I won't be attending their circus of control.
Your remark, "Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before." May be true but the opposite is true as well, they can just choose to ignore what someone has to say.
The next remark, "I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money." Although I have never thought about that what do you base that statement on?
Another remark you make, "Do they really need a formal charter, constitution and by-laws?" I have never suggest that they do. I simply asked if they do. Asking a question does not imply that it is a necessity.
Why, am I interested now that's a fair question and deserves a fair answer. When they attack a community with in the county, perhaps attack is the wrong word, let's use Liz's word bash a community after saying they want to pull all the communities together, that's just not right. I even brought that to the attention of Liz and she said and I quote, "We didn't mean to bash Elk Falls." And yet they haven't removed the offending remarks.
Now back to the statement of "pulling all the communities together" in their list of suggestions say the following:
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Notice those are
BIG IDEA'S Take away the individual community identities and control of their communities. Not a good idea, not at all. Take away their right under the constitution to govern themselves
Take away Longton's Free Fair for what reason to benefit Howard. The Longton Free Fair is Longton's business not Elk County or Elk Konnected LLC. Unless of course they take away their right under the constitution as citizens to freely assemble. Their fair is a lot of fun to go to.
Centrally located doesn't meant we draw an "X" through the middle of the county and locate everything there. Centrally Located I am sure would mean Howard. It appears to me what people have been telling me since I have moved here is true. I won't mention names, they need to come forward on their own. But what I have been told is everything is for Howard.
Howard claims our School West Elk as their school.
Elk Konnected LLC is located in Howard.
The Elk Konnected Fitness Center is in Howard.
It appears the Elk Konnected LLC is owned by someone in Howard.
Do I need to repeat Howard.
When the school ran the school referendum 2/3's of the county voted against it
whole 2/3's of Howard voted for it.
I think part of why it got voted down is because Howard wanted to build a community storm shelter into it.
Why can't they build their own storm shelter instead having most of the county pay for it for them.
Other reason's may have been the overall cost and we were being told the school budget was facing major cuts by the state.
You know I think they could have repaired the roof of the school in Moline for a lot less than they paid for the portable buildings.
Part of the roof was still under warranty.
So yes, I believe everyone should be interested in who is handing out the lollipops and keeping the goodies. Who owns Elk Konnected LLC, not so much to ask considering they want to influence our County Government's Elected Officials, and to shut down community organizations, IE their city governments and move control to Howard.
I enjoy visiting with you I hope you are having a great day. I am, I'm geeting a little bit of rain which is sorely needed. I just don't think it will be enoug unless this sprinkle last all night. I can hope but the odds are poor.
I figured if there was a financial problem with EK it would have been found out long before this. So, basically the wind farm and something that was said to /or about Elk Falls people is where the problem is mostly? I just have a hard time getting my head around this because there are so few of you. I've got more people on my side of Newark here than you have in your whole county! That makes each of you and each of your opinions more valuable, but at the same time you can't have 2882 different ways of doing things and accomplish anything, plus the little towns are so spread out. I'd hate to see all the hard work evaporate. Do any of you have any ideas on compromise here?
Quote from: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 03:32:05 PM
Before someone disputes the claims of fact of this paragraph, know that Ross, myself and at least five others were witnesses to what is claimed.
So, you are one of the 250 or so people that were at the Community Conversation. Thanks for narrowing your real identity down a little bit there. Must be nice to banty about claims of lack of transparency and conflicts of interest when you will not even acknowledge who you are.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 04:41:27 PM
I figured if there was a financial problem with EK it would have been found out long before this. So, basically the wind farm and something that was said to /or about Elk Falls people is where the problem is mostly? I just have a hard time getting my head around this because there are so few of you. I've got more people on my side of Newark here than you have in your whole county! That makes each of you and each of your opinions more valuable, but at the same time you can't have 2882 different ways of doing things and accomplish anything, plus the little towns are so spread out. I'd hate to see all the hard work evaporate. Do any of you have any ideas on compromise here?
All these little communities are great places to live, the people are great. Sure they each have their differences but that's the way life is. They each have their own little celebrations which are unique unto them selves. Have you heard of the Elk Falls outhouse tour and contest. Unique.
There is no need for a compromise in myopinion. What makes you say that to me? I'm not in any battle or argument I have only asked a few simple questions.
Quote from: Ross on May 01, 2011, 05:29:27 PM
What makes you say that to me? I'm not in any battle or argument I have only asked a few simple questions.
::)
Sorry Ross, it wasn't personal. Perhaps compromise isn't the right word. I'm not sure how to say what I mean, so I'll think about it more.
I too was one of more than 250 citizens who went to the wind farm conversation to share ideas. It was advertised quite publicly that it was to be a "conversation," not a "forum." I've been to many meetings in my life, where all the folding chairs are facing the front or a table on a stage, where all the people "in charge" sit and hear comments from the audience. I have never witnessed a constructive conversation during any of those meetings, because the atmosphere isn't designed for communication. It is the "all-facing-front" set-up where you might detect some leadership "control." How many people stand in front of a microphone to petition the leaders to sway a decision one way or another? If you yourself have stood before a council or other decision-making body, did you feel your ideas were heard? This meeting wasn't about decisions, it was about hearing ideas about what THE PEOPLE want to see happen. If you still insist this gathering was about "control," the you don't understand the word "conversation."
Next, suppose you were asked to share your ideas with the same people you talk to everyday -- neighbors, co-workers, family members, friends at the coffee shop -- how much new input would you or they be hearing? After a few of those conversations, would you not pretty much already agree with everyone in the group? Do you need your opinions mirrored back to you in order to feel validated? And why on earth would anyone be so resistant to talking with new people, people who have different interests and ideas, who experience life from a different perspective? Why is this viewed as a negative thing? Ross, are you and your wife so threatened in your relationship that you can't be separated for a few hours in order to talk with people you don't know? Had you taken a different approach, I'm sure the two of you could have sat together, but to take an accusatory stance before the meeting every starts -- are you really interested in what Elk Konnected is about, or have you already made up your mind?
Had you stayed that evening-- had you really wanted to know how the conversationunfolded, had you not already walked in with an opinion that was based on nothing but suspicion and paranoia -- you would have seen that Terry Woodbury did indeed facilitate the meeting but did not attempt to lead anyone to any sort of conclusion, and that he did not put forth any suggestions about how the PILOT funds should be spent. The only people offering suggestions were the ones who chose to participate in the conversation. I don't believe Terry Woodbury even cares about what Elk County does with the money. It's the decision of the taxpayers, not Elk Konnected, who merely hosted the event to give anyone with an idea a chance to be heard.
The commissioners' decision to give county residents a voice (which I understand is participatory government is about -- freedom of speech, by the people for the people, you know...the values our country's founders had in mind). It's true that those who wished to remain on the sidelines were not included in the conversation, but they did have that opportunity and instead chose to decline. There were no shouting matches in the conversation circles. People expressed their ideas, big and small, and for a short time, dared to dream. Anyone who says it's wrong to have a dream and share it out loud -- well, all I can say is they must have given up on their own a long time ago and find it easy to fault those who haven't.
I have an interest in the future of Elk County. This is where I make my living and where I plan to retire. Our county faces the same serious problems many others do, but they won't be solved by ignoring them and hoping they go away, and they won't be solved by questioning the motives of those involved in Elk Konnected and repeatedly insisting that those motives are sinister in some way. I agree that it seems like the same folks are involved in several different groups -- but this shouldn't reflect poorly on them; rather, it reflects poorly on those who don't make an effort to make a difference. Problems get solved by those who get involved.
Where's the 'clapping hands' smiley when you need it.
Thank you! :)
DITTO
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done. Since 2007 Moline has had their nursing home shut down by the county. Let's see, this directly benefited Howard whose nursing home received the residents from Elk Manor, thus assuring them capacity. Several Moline folks lost their jobs as a result, and Moline residents can no longer look to spend their final months/years in a facility in their home town. It may only be incidental that 2007 was the year that EK was organised.
Last year a group not calling themselves Elk Konnected began campaigning for a new grade school located in Howard. Funny thing though, these folks looked just exactly like Elk Konnected folks, and organised like Elk Konnected folks. In fact most of them were indeed members of Elk Konnected. They campaigned hard; handed out cut rate hotdogs and gave the kiddies t-shirts. School employees were used to help with the effort, and the school superintendant who is a member of EK did his part by donating school resources, appearing at public meetings and telling untruths to the people. As a result of all this, Moline lost their grade school, Severy lost their grade school, and Corey Reese got a sizable raise in salary this year despite these difficult financial times. Let's see now, that is Howard 2, Moline 0, Elk Falls 0, Grenola 0.
Now the school system in Elk county is known as Howard West Elk? What's up with that?
EK did organize an effort to establish a wellness center, but where to put it? Oh yes, put it in Howard, that is where all the real folks are, don't you know. And to establish this they had a fundraiser wine tasting event. This was held at Polk Daniels lake just outside of ---you guessed it; Howard. 'Course these folks who attended that never buy gasoline, soft drinks, headache powders or maybe just a hamburger. So maybe Moline, Grenola, or Elk Falls or Longton did not lose out. Now we are at another tally mark; Howard 3, Moline 0, Elk Falls 0, Grenola 0, and Longton 0.
So here we are at the crux of the matter; the smell of money. Since 2007 when the windfarm project began to take form, itches began to develope and only money could scratch it. And how to make the most of the opportunity? Funnel those monies where they will go to improve what EK perceives as the best direction. Funnel these funds toward Howard. Close down the fairgrounds at Longton, and rebuild the fairgrounds at Howard. Let the county fund a new water system for Howard and the surrounding areas, and pay for it with pilot funds. Just too bad that Moline, and Grenola did it on their own. Also, fund the demolition of the old Howard grade school. Howard also need new asphalt pavement for their streets, and they need a new storm shelter. Whooosh! Folks, that is not a tornado overhead; it is the sound of our tax dollars (PILOT=payment in lie of taxes) headed for Howard. Watch Us As We Grow! ???
Don't ya love small town good ole boy politics.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 05:04:42 PM
So, you are one of the 250 or so people that were at the Community Conversation. Thanks for narrowing your real identity down a little bit there. Must be nice to banty about claims of lack of transparency and conflicts of interest when you will not even acknowledge who you are.
Since I'm not soliciting any public votes or public monies, my identity is irrelevant to the topic, and your clinical obsession with my personal identity is at least puzzling. At best, it's a sad commentary on your true interests. As I've suggested before, if one is more interested in the messenger than the message or idea, then their shallow nature is self evident to intelligent observers. If you doubt the veracity of any statements made as fact, then be a good student and go research them for yourself. If you must obsess on identities, then I, personally, must discount you as lacking serious interest in the subject matter and possessing a limited ability to analyze it.
Great minds discuss concepts, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.
Quote from: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 06:42:58 PM
Since I'm not soliciting any public votes or public monies, my identity is irrelevant to the topic
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy? Is the word even in your vocabulary? Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.
How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies?
Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year.
Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past.
Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.
We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 01, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done...
Whooosh! Folks, that is not a tornado overhead; it is the sound of our tax dollars (PILOT=payment in lie of taxes) headed for Howard. Watch Us As We Grow! ???
Mix the power of government with the undue influence of a private endeavor and there might be many who eventually, through no fault of their own, end up on the short end of a very messy stick.
Mom, I've disagreed with some things you've posted in the last 3 years or so, but on this important issue, you are being far more intellectually honest and realistic than others who would defend something based on shallow observations (hot dogs & lollipops) & hearsay while ignoring facts and provable outcomes (lost jobs, etc.) or waste their energies on petty personal pursuits. Keep telling it like it is.... someday others will perhaps listen.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 05:49:56 PM
Sorry Ross, it wasn't personal. Perhaps compromise isn't the right word. I'm not sure how to say what I mean, so I'll think about it more.
Apology accepted even though one was not necessary. I odn't always get the right word or terminology either.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy? Is the word even in your vocabulary? Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.
How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies?
Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year.
Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past.
Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.
We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Good lord. Your worse in that your attempt to deflect the topic away from the real issues at hand. WHo gives a rats ass who Patriot is. He apparantly isn't a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. Otherwise he would be defending the current status quo.
DO you even have a clue as to what it means to have a open and honest transparant government in which its members have no ties to corporations that do business with the counties in which it operates in? ITS quite plain to see that this is what is going on. New ball parks, fitness centers, ect.... Why does a private corp receive tax dollars to fund its operations, so that they can provide fitness centers and ballparks among other activities.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy? Is the word even in your vocabulary? Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.
How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies?
Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year.
Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past.
Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.
We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Definition of HYPOCRISY
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does notI'm not pretending to be anything other than a citizen who has views about the mix of a private company and the county government and one who believes that decisions, especially in the arena of community future, should be made with the benefit of as many open facts as are possibly available.
If any of the questions you present change the importance of information I've been saying needs to be in public view, then you are indeed are somehow blinded.
In fact, other than your online, self enhancing resume, I know virtually nothing about the 'open and honest members of this forum'. Which is about as much as many of them know about me. No harm, no foul.
Dueling? Man, you
are in need of help.
Patriot---I could care less who you are. I read your posts and they are interesting and I don't care what your name is.
NOT EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM CARES WHO SAYS WHAT! --------KSHILLBILLYS
Quote from: kshillbillys on May 01, 2011, 07:23:55 PM
Patriot---I could care less who you are. I read your posts and they are interesting and I don't care what your name is.
NOT EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM CARES WHO SAYS WHAT! --------KSHILLBILLYS
Amen. Although I have met him ---he is real --- he walks, he talks --- oop's I better stop. LOL
Quote from: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 07:13:33 PM
Good lord. Your worse in that your attempt to deflect the topic away from the real issues at hand. WHo gives a rats ass who Patriot is. He apparantly isn't a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL. Otherwise he would be defending the current status quo.
DO you even have a clue as to what it means to have a open and honest transparant government in which its members have no ties to corporations that do business with the counties in which it operates in? ITS quite plain to see that this is what is going on. New ball parks, fitness centers, ect.... Why does a private corp receive tax dollars to fund its operations, so that they can provide fitness centers and ballparks among other activities.
Elk County employs an economic development/youth services person. Now that employee is being overworked by Elk Konnected LLC. The poor girl. She is new and already learning about the politics of her position. Elk konnected LLC I have been told by a reliable source has been sending her to ask for donations for them a Chamber of Commerce. She has been told no and she was asked to have them send someone else. I probably shouldn't even have mentioned this because I am not at liberty to quote my source, but my sympathies are with the new young employee. Elk Konnected is trying to get money all over the place and that is the nature of running a non-profit business. I get e-mails and snail mails ask for money all te time and get pretty tired of it.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Is that they way they do it in NW Arkansas??
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
ROTFLMBO The shits getting over my hip waders now..... 200 years ago, this wouldn't be a issue. FOlks knew that government is government and private business is private business and never should the two copulate and become one.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 01, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done. Since 2007 Moline has had their nursing home shut down by the county. Let's see, this directly benefited Howard whose nursing home received the residents from Elk Manor, thus assuring them capacity. Several Moline folks lost their jobs as a result, and Moline residents can no longer look to spend their final months/years in a facility in their home town.
I think you are not remembering the facts on this. The county did not shut down the manor. They sold it. For like a dollar. The management company that purchased it ran it for a while then pulled up stakes. They could not run the facility at a profit. The less than half a dozen residents that went to Twilight Manor were a minority of the total population. Most went to facilities closer to family.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 01, 2011, 06:32:06 PM
Now the school system in Elk county is known as Howard West Elk? What's up with that?
It is called West Elk Schools. It's the one with combination grade school, junior high, and high school all on one efficient campus just like Elk Valley. Longton is the town the school building is located but the students come from all over the area. Howard is written on the sports schedules to state what town the game is going to be held either home or away.
FYI The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF) which is used for scholarships for high school students!
Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the Elk Manor nursing home closing! That happened way before Elk Konnected was ever started.
Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events. To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up. That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops. There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.
EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign. Yes, there were probably people on the Vote Yes Campaign committee that are also involved in EK events but this is a small community and people are involved in many groups that they are interested in.
You keep asking for transparency. There is nothing to make transparent. You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions.
The fitness center was originally proposed to be put somewhere between Howard and Moline to be centrally located in the county. Because there are no buildings in that location, that idea is still out there as a dream but is not realistic at this time. After much research of many other fitness centers, the current location was decided upon. The rent was reasonable and the size appropriate for the amount of equipment available at that time. All other towns were searched for comparable buildings at the time and none were found that would work as well. It has nothing to do with "Howard gets everything." It has to do with the fact that people will not drive very far just to sweat and Howard has the largest population and therefore is the most logical place to put this type of a business.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
ROTFLMBO government is government and private business is private business and never should the two copulate and become one.
I like that. Just think if that was applied fully with in the federal gov't perhaps we would not be facing a possible depression.
Quote from: Ross on May 02, 2011, 05:29:29 AM
I like that. Just think if that was applied fully with in the federal gov't perhaps we would not be facing a possible depression.
Well being that the only outcome of that would be a bastard child of socialist fascism it can only make sense to prohibit it.
Quote from: jprxmkt on May 01, 2011, 10:17:58 PM
FYI The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF) which is used for scholarships for high school students!
Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the Elk Manor nursing home closing! That happened way before Elk Konnected was ever started.
Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events. To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up. That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops. There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.
EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign. Yes, there were probably people on the Vote Yes Campaign committee that are also involved in EK events but this is a small community and people are involved in many groups that they are interested in.
You keep asking for transparency. There is nothing to make transparent. You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions.
The fitness center was originally proposed to be put somewhere between Howard and Moline to be centrally located in the county. Because there are no buildings in that location, that idea is still out there as a dream but is not realistic at this time. After much research of many other fitness centers, the current location was decided upon. The rent was reasonable and the size appropriate for the amount of equipment available at that time. All other towns were searched for comparable buildings at the time and none were found that would work as well. It has nothing to do with "Howard gets everything." It has to do with the fact that people will not drive very far just to sweat and Howard has the largest population and therefore is the most logical place to put this type of a business.
"FYI The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF) which is used for scholarships for high school students!" I do remember that and that's true. It was not me that suggested otherwise just someone trying to stick up for Elk Konnected LLC.
"EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign." I never heard of that one. That must have been about the grade school. That's a perfectly normal activity and to suggest otherwise is wrong.
"You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions." If I have asked anything twisted or preposterous tell me what it was, please. I have simply asked why they deny using taxpayers dollars, what's preposerous about that? I have asked who owns Elk Konnected, what's preposterous about that? I am so sorry that you feel that a person has no right to ask questions.
You are the only one I have read to use the words, "communist" who has drugged", and I say double wow. Not nice at all.
The lolipop was used as a euphemism: the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant. I wasn't trying to offend, that is not my goal.
Anoother question was why is Elk Konnected LLC a private company doing the job of our elected officials, while representing only about 5 or 6% of the county? This implies our elected officials are incapable of doing there job? But really there is no guarantee that the money will ever materialize, perhaps there may be some money in a year or two perhaps no where near the amounts discussed. So what was the hurry on the part of the company Elk Konnected LLC. I'm just trying to understand?
I was the one who brought up the wine tasting fund raiser and I was not necessarily defending anyone. I was pointing out that E K had put in some effort to raise money on their own, not just use taxpayer money. My comment was based on an Oct. 8, 2008 post...."Besides being fun and an opportunity to learn something about wine, this event will raise funds for Elk Konnected." Perhaps this was a different event? If I'm wrong then I apologize. I didn't mean to stir the pot.
Ok, Ross. Everyone knows who I am. I am a small business owner in Howard, actually two small businesses. I was born and raised in Severy. Lived in Severy all throughout my grade school and high school years. Attending West Elk schools, Severy Grade School and WE. My name is Angie Town. I have 3 girls that attend school at West Elk. My husband is a rancher and I run a daycare. I am not sure what it matters who I am, but almost everyone knows who I am. I try not to offend anyone on here, I guess its just getting under my skin how everyone is against this organization or feels that they have underlying issues to work the local government. I don't really see that they are. Do you know that there are only a small amount of people willing to be part of organizations in the county? Yes, one is a member of Elk Konnect and a commissioner, so? If you don't like it run for county commissioner. It's that simple! J answered your question about LLC, here it is: Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events. To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up. That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops. There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.
I know several people that are part of this organization, and they just want to help keep the small communities in Elk County alive and thriving. But with all the negativeness that you and several others put out there, makes me wonder what your agenda is?? What will you do when you have to drive 30 miles for gas, or any sort of staple?
Also got to point out something about grants or schoolorships, they are money that organizations or the government give away. Before I opened up my daycare there was grant money to help daycare providers buy things to help the children in their care. I also know that different organizations put different stipulations on their different types of grants or scholorships.
Also, I didn't want Severy Grade school to close either. But it just makes sense to have one campus. I attended Severy school all 7 years. But I don't want my kids to have to be shipped over an hour either, so the one campus just makes sense. I hate to see either school suildings close, but the one campus is really working well for the kids. At the first of the year, I was not to happy. My youngest didn't like all the bigger kids and I was taking a crying, kicking, screaming kid to school for the first month. I was about to pull her out, because she just wasnt happy. But the teacher and I worked together and she is doing just fine now. All my girls are and I love that they are all in one building, not in three different locations.
Ross, I see you have questions, and I have also seen many of your questions answered. I guess you don't see them being answered. One that I would also like to state is Elk Konnect running the wind farm meeting. It had nothing to do with Elk Konnect wanting the money or being in charge of the money from the wind farm. It had to do with running a very CONSTRUCTIVE meeting. I remember going to a school board meeting where it was sit and face the front of the auditorium and only 1 1/2 hours for all the people in the room to ask their questions about the schools or voice their oppinions. Was it productive??? Kinda, but not not near as the one that was organized by Elk Konnect concerning the schools. And the sheriffs officers where at those meetings, too. It was for the safety of all concerned. People get pretty heated when you talk about different subjects and it was just to make the meetings safe.
I am hoping that you could see my point in why I feel the organization is good. They really do want what is best for all the communities that are involved. I don't see any hidden agendas in what they want or are doing.
You just reminded me of something. Even here, separating by legal means is done. New Castle County runs a public riding stable, boards horses, and gives riding lessons. It is legally separate from the county and set up so if someone sues, even after they sign a disclaimer, they can't get more than the one day's receipts. It protects everyone. I suspect the Ek situation is similar and I suspect they got legal advice on how to set it up for everyone's protection.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 07:47:24 PM
...The shits getting over my hip waders now...
In more ways than one, Steve. Ross is correct in one regard. Simple straight questions keep being asked. Questions that, regardless of who's asking, are valid in light of 1) the fact we live in a free republic where government is supposed to be accountable to the people, and 2) government officials & public monies are involved. Potential conflicts of interest only amplify the seriousness of the subject.
Ross, however, is wrong in claiming that no answers are forthcoming. There seems to be no shortage of 'answers' coming from the south end of this northbound horse and the horse's water bearers. The brain end of the horse remains, for reasons yet to be determined, mute. This horse is indeed a very capable critter, and I'm sure if it desired it could express the unvarnished truth either directly or through those who are regular riders.
This is not unlike finding the cookie jar missing and the seeing young siblings exert all manner of energy to deny, deflect and defend each other with respect to its whereabouts when the simple truth in fact would be so much easier.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
...separating by legal means is done...
Yes, that 'separating', or liability insulation, is also done to limit the personal liabilities of individuals involved in the project in the event of wrongdoing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
New Castle County runs a public riding stable, boards horses, and gives riding lessons.
Now, would it be unreasonable of citizens to 1) question if that operation is a legitimate function of government, and 2) ask to see all the particulars of the government involvement in the project? Surely there are no issues there that would necessitate government secrecy for the purposes of protecting national security.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
It protects everyone.
Except any truly injured parties. The process only protects those running the project. In theory, do you think 'everyone' includes all taxpayers in the event of fraud or misappropriation?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 09:29:11 AM
I suspect the Ek situation is similar and I suspect they got legal advice on how to set it up for everyone's protection.
I suspect they did. And who is 'everyone'?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 08:58:05 AM
If I'm wrong then I apologize. I didn't mean to stir the pot.
Diane, no need to apologize. Your posts in this thread haven't stirred anything. It's we radicalized right wing extremists with nefarious intent (sarcastic pun intended) who are seen to be stirring the pot by those who either lack the legal understanding of or will avoid answering valid questions about the relationship between government and a privately run concern.
Quote from: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 11:00:08 AM
Diane, no need to apologize. Your posts in this thread haven't stirred anything. It's we radicalized right wing extremists with nefarious intent (sarcastic pun intended) who are seen to be stirring the pot by those who either lack the legal understanding of or will avoid answering valid questions about the relationship between government and a privately run concern.
It's not that you are stirring the pot, you are only seeing what you want to see. Yes, I see that you don't think that one person that is an elected official should be part of Elk Konnect. I get that, but I really don't think that Elk Konnect is a privately run. Yes, you pointed out that LLC means privately run. I think that is just for the title, could be wrong. I really don't know that much about the legal aspects of it. Is that what you want to know? Do you know that the county has a parks and recreation fund? If the county feels the need to use the parks and recreation fund for a donation it is legal, I've read the commissioners minutes in the paper and they have donated to numerous things in the surrounding counties.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 09:14:48 AM
...Also got to point out something about grants or schoolorships,... they are money that...the government give away...
Good lord, citizen! Who's money is the government 'giving' away?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 09:14:48 AM
...Ross, I see you have questions, and I have also seen many of your questions answered. I guess you don't see them being answered...
Factual answers to specific questions and simple oratory based on hearsay or isolated evidence are two different things, don't you think?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 09:14:48 AM
..I am hoping that you could see my point in why I feel the organization is good. They really do want what is best for all the communities that are involved. I don't see any hidden agendas in what they want or are doing...
Your choice to support or not support, whether based on either feelings or fact, is a unique one to which you and everyone else are fully entitled. That's something on which I hope everyone here would surely agree.
'They really do want what is best' is a generalized observation. One on which others may disagree. Some may think more facts are needed in order to evaluate objectively the intents of all involved.
You may not see hidden agendas, and there may not be any. Absent sufficient details it's hard to be sure. After all, Bernie Madoff's clients saw no hidden agendas either... up to the point where they lost over 50 billion dollars of their money.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 11:37:07 AM
It's not that you are stirring the pot, you are only seeing what you want to see. Yes, I see that you don't think that one person that is an elected official should be part of Elk Konnect. I get that, but I really don't think that Elk Konnect is a privately run. Yes, you pointed out that LLC means privately run. I think that is just for the title, could be wrong. I really don't know that much about the legal aspects of it. Is that what you want to know? Do you know that the county has a parks and recreation fund? If the county feels the need to use the parks and recreation fund for a donation it is legal, I've read the commissioners minutes in the paper and they have donated to numerous things in the surrounding counties.
Lookatmeknow!!, I'm concerned that you are a bit naive in detailed matters of business and law. I have no doubt that you are sincere and mean well, but the technical complexities of this issue are critical. Please remember that America was designed and should operate on the basis of laws and not the feelings or beliefs of any one individual or any group. Not that feelings and beliefs are unimportant, but following the legal aspects is what provides equity for everyone in the end. At this point, we don't have enough facts to determine the lawful condition of all the matters in this thread. Hence the attempts to get all the facts. The devil, as it's said, is usually in the details.
What I am understanding about this is that EK is not a government entity and is not supported by tax money. It's membership is open to anyone who wishes to be a member. If an elected official wishes to be a member of a community group, such as the Chamber of Commerce, the PTA, Boy Scouts, what's the beef? If, in the course of a meeting of one of these groups that the elected official also belongs to, that group needs some money and decides to ask the county for it, what's the beef? Just recently the summer baseball program at Longton asked the county for some money. They got it. Probably the summer baseball program in Howard has or will be doing the same thing. I cannot see where being an elected official precludes that person from being a member of all the other organizations in the county if they want to be. If that official happens to be on the board that is being asked for money, that official has the right to vote yea or nay. They don't have to vote yea just because they belong to the organization.
I do not see a conflict of interest in one of our commissioners being a member of EK also and being an active member. If it weren't for active members, nothing would get done.
Just to refresh my memroy, what do you think the facts are?
Yes, the government gives away tax money. Have you not heard of Pell grants--loans for college, many of which never get paid back?
What does Bernie Madoff's scam have to do with this topic? He knew exactly what he was doing. He wasn't trying to help anyone but himself.
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
If that official happens to be on the board that is being asked for money, that official has the right to vote yea or nay. They don't have to vote yea just because they belong to the organization.
To avoid conflict legally they would be required to recuse themselves from any such vote.
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
I do not see a conflict of interest in one of our commissioners being a member of EK also and being an active member.
And, I don't think there would be any conflict if the official were to avoid any use of official position to advance the agenda of EK in any way, recused themselves from any vote involving the private group and received no improper personal gain from acts or votes that the official made on any issue coming before the board .
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
Just to refresh my memroy, what do you think the facts are?
<sigh> Your question highlights the entire issue here. The lack of facts and transparency regarding the true internal structure and workings of the LLC obscure the ability to make a reasonable determination regarding potential conflicts. At its' core, the LLC, absent discovery in a lawsuit, is insulated from public view. Since they are so closely entangled with government in some areas, the lack of those details makes a fair judgment regarding conflict rather difficult. Though the desires of citizens wanting to fully understand the relationships between the two entities is more than fair under our system of government. What I may think, or even feel, is irrelevant at this point. What the true facts turn out to be is the important thing.
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
Yes, the government gives away tax money. Have you not heard of Pell grants--loans for college, many of which never get paid back?
And since that money is taken from taxpayers under penalty of imprisonment, doesn't the use of and potential squandering of that money concern you?
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
What does Bernie Madoff's scam have to do with this topic? He knew exactly what he was doing. He wasn't trying to help anyone but himself.
It was relevant in the
context in which it was used. That was as an example that hidden agendas are important because those agendas can cause unsuspecting (and/or blindly trusting) people to be greatly harmed. Those with hidden agendas usually know exactly what they are doing, that's why the agendas are hidden in the first place. They want to operate with impunity, and they don't really care who ultimately gets hurt as long as they and theirs get their goodies. That can apply to Madoff or even the local dog catcher.
I want you to know, I really don't like government in general. They are involved at every level of our lives though. That is something we all have to get used to. We may not like it, we have the right to voice our opinions on it, and others can voice their opinions on it. As for scholorships and grants, not all of them are from the government. When I graduated high school, I received scholorships from different organizations. These different organizations have the right to say how the money is spent and what the requirements are. I know that other individuals are members of the city council and have businesses. They have just not voted on the different things that pertain to their business. I have read that in the paper. How do we know that the commissioners are using Ek for the benefit of themselves or using the government? Yes, they were on the counties web page. Now they are not. Point taken care of in my eyes.
Have you personally called these individuals and ask these questions? Ross says that is what a forum is for. I beg the differ. I think that if you really want the facts call that person and get them. I sure would feel better if someone wants to know something from me or about my business that they call me, and not go behind my back and say things that they heard. Same is with this issue. Is that wrong to do that?? I don't think they would mind, I am not 100% sure on that, but I do know that I have called school board members or teachers at home about issues and they would rather me get the facts from them. Just a suggestion.
Just what do you think the hidden agenda is here?
If all the elected officials belonged to the PTA, etc., how would they be able to vote on anything. I see no conflict of interest. What I do see is a county commissioner who is trying to make Elk County a better place to be.
By the way, do you live in Elk County? If so, how long? If you have recently moved here and bought property, why did you choose Elk County?
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 01:37:53 PM
Just what do you think the hidden agenda is here?
If all the elected officials belonged to the PTA, etc., how would they be able to vote on anything. I see no conflict of interest. What I do see is a county commissioner who is trying to make Elk County a better place to be.
By the way, do you live in Elk County? If so, how long? If you have recently moved here and bought property, why did you choose Elk County?
Again, what I or anyone thinks isn't the issue. What the facts are is the issue. What may or may not be an agenda of any official can't be reasonably determined without all the facts regarding activities, relationships, etc.
What you may see, from your vantage point, may or may not help the fair determination of a legal conflict of interest. Do you have information about the inner workings of EK, LLC or any unpublished negotiations or interactions between EK and the government or either of those and other entities (ie the Tradewinds folks, Public Square, the State of Kansas)? If you have those details, it would sure be helpful.
Yes, I live in Elk County, which makes me a citizen in the venue under consideration in this thread. One day or 90 years, what does that have to do with anything here? Are you wanting to attend our next family gathering? When I came here, recently or otherwise, has nothing to do with why I came here. Whether I bought, rent or lease is also irrelevant. I will say, however, that I selected Elk for a number of reasons, among which is its' geographic location, natural beauty, abundant wildlife and unique agricultural possibilities. To be honest, there were some things that opposed my decision. Those included the high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates. The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
Hope that helps.
Yes, I live in Elk County, which makes me a citizen in the venue under consideration in this thread. One day or 90 years, what does that have to do with anything here? Are you wanting to attend our next family gathering? When I came here, recently or otherwise, has nothing to do with why I came here. Whether I bought, rent or lease is also irrelevant. I will say, however, that I selected Elk for a number of reasons, among which is its' geographic location, natural beauty, abundant wildlife and unique agricultural possibilities. To be honest, there were some things that opposed my decision. Those included the high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates. The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
Ok, so you went born and raised here. I don't think that matters. Your right you have a right to know these things as do we all. But not sure if you are joking about the reasons that you opposed the area or not. If you are not, that right there makes you an outsider to me. I personally like new people coming into the area. I don't have a problem with that at all, it's the comments like this: there were some things that opposed my decision. Those included the high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates. The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
That's just RUDE!!
You decided to make your home in Elk County in spite of all the things that are wrong with it? Live with it. Trying to tear it down isn't going to make it anymore to your liking. I'm not kidding that everytime some group has tried to introduce something new to the county it has been shot down just like some people are trying to do now.
Quote from: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 06:28:19 PM
You decided to make your home in Elk County in spite of all the things that are wrong with it? Live with it. Trying to tear it down isn't going to make it anymore to your liking. I'm not kidding that everytime some group has tried to introduce something new to the county it has been shot down just like some people are trying to do now.
Choosing to live here in spite of its' flaws is complimentary. I do stay in spite of the negatives. Just like some men stay with nagging wives, in spite of their nagging or some women stay with men who fart in church, in spite of their bad habit. I won't, however, bury my head in the sand and pretend the negatives don't exist. To do so would be disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Pointing out those flaws is not an attempt to 'tear it down'. If you have cancer and ignore it 2 things are true... First, it won't likely get better let alone treated. Second, ignoring it doesn't mean it isn't real. Maybe now it's time to become a bit more honest about some of the realities here. As for what others may or may not have done in the past or what their intent may have been is something of which I have no knowledge. That was then and 'they' were 'they'. Finally, nothing you've said changes the theme of this thread or the lack of transparency suggested one iota.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 05:37:43 PM
...But not sure if you are joking about the reasons that you opposed the area or not. If you are not, that right there makes you an outsider to me. I personally like new people coming into the area. I don't have a problem with that at all, it's the comments like this: there were some things that opposed my decision. Those included the high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates. The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
That's just RUDE!!
I never said I opposed the area, I said there were things that were negatives. As for you considering someone who is honest about the negatives an outsider, that says a lot about you I suppose. Every observation I made is either a matter of documented fact (dwindling population per the census, high property crime rate per KBI & FBI reports & records, rocks are something hard to hide, etc.) or they are observations I've made (people peering around street corners to check out license plates or gossiping about their fellow county residents in P&J's, Poplar Pizza, or the isles at Batson's). As for those uncomplimentary observations, they are reinforced both by friends and family who have come to visit and admission of some locals. If you think I'm saying all residents are like this, you are mistaken, but when it's frequently seen by others, it reinforces a negative view outsiders may have.... and it may be one reason they don't 'stay and grow with us'. Now, if you are going to dislike me, at least you'll dislike me for being honest. Better that than having you like me because I lie and parrot only warm fuzzies that others want to hear. I was asked a question about my opinion. I answered it. Rude, no. Honest, yes.
Now, about things folks want to do to improve Elk County....
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 05:37:43 PM
dency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates. The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
That's just RUDE!!
THats not rude, its honest. It is the same impression i got when i first moved here. The thing about it is that i moved here for my own reasons not to satisfy others curiosity or to meet others approval.
The main things of interest to me is who owns Elk Konnected LLC? Why is it secreative? Why does Elk Konneccted LLC continue to deny using our tax dollars to provide the little things they do for the community? Why does Elk Konnected pretend to represent the whole county in their actions with our elected officials?
I understand they have their goals I just copied and pasted them right here.
The link http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm
Community Goals
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
By what authority do they have to Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community.
I know that the company Public Square Communities LLC tells Elk Konnected LLC to take control --- just what does that mean?
Where are Elk Konnected LLC community bounderies --- or are they taking control over the whole county?
Elk Konnected LLC told the school board they would be state wide accredited? That's not true, they recieve their acredation by paying Public Squares Community LLC with our tax dollars to be accredited by this little company with 15 or 16 customers and are accredited by no one else. Nothing state wide about that. they are just using our tax dollars to join Mr.What's His Names private little club . It's juat that the dues are rather steep in my opinion. But Mr. Whats His Name needs to make a good living so keep paying him every two years with our tax dollars there is lot's of it.
Again, I copied and pasted it here. The link is http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm#Community Conversation
What is Accreditation?
Any county or city can become accredited as a "Public Square Community." Begun in 2007, this new standard-setting process enables high performing communities to market themselves to potential residents, businesses, investors and visitors.
Accreditation requires that four sectors – business, education, human service and government – share leadership and funding for managing their development efforts. These four sectors comprise the "Public Square." To be eligible to apply for accreditation, a community must have a two-year track record of involving citizens in creating and implementing their community's vision. They must renew their vision and goals every two years, have at least three citizen teams implementing goals at all times, hold an annual regional conversation with a neighboring community, provide leadership for the annual Communities Conference and pay an annual fee of $1,500 to $4,000 depending on population. The fee must come from at least three of the four public square sectors.
Accreditation is granted by a 4-person peer review team from other communities and regional partners.
Accreditation ( every 2 years )
sustain the process (engaged community, up-to-date goals & action teams, regional conversation), share leadership of the annual Communities Conference, apply for "Public Square Community" accreditation and pay fee, be reviewed by a team of peers and funding partners, contribute reviewers for other accreditation applicants.
i suppose to some these are not important questions perhaps they think they are getting something for free from the company Elk Konnected LLC. But I have tried to show the facts. You may be a committee person or a volunteer and I am happy that you have your new position but you are not part of the company Elk Konnected LLC you are only being used by the company Elk KOnnected LLC And you don't even know who owns the company Elk Konnected LLC because it is a secret. Now there in not a thing I have written here that is twisted. It is very clear thinking.
We have a right in my opinion to know who this secreative person is that is licensed as Elk Konnected LLC and keeps asking for our tax dollars. This is major flaw with Elk Konnected LLC. The party they are paying with our tax dollars at least has the decency to give his name --- Mr. Terry Woodbury --- and he is real happy to take our tax dollars. Give some thought to that.
Mr. Woodbury has his own names for our medical professionals and churches and business and school. He calls them the Public Square that makes it sound like everything is owned by the public. I find that really strange or more of a way of trying to control as mentioned above. This information is not secreative click on the links above and then read all the other pages listed on Public Square Communities LLC web site. Or don't.
Quote from: Ross on May 02, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
By what authority do they have to Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community.
LOL yeah it is interesting isn't it. Enforcement denotes usage of law enforcement to enforce these " standards". IT would have to be Law Enforcement with a WARRANT in order to be enforcible. Anything else would be subject to being shot.
Patriot, I can see where people would find offense to the whispers and whatever. I am not upset about your honesty at all. I for one don't let the idea that someone is talking about me bother me, anymore. I am so used to it, I look at it this way. If they are talking about me, they are leaving someone else alone. I guess that comes from leaving around here all my life, things like that just don't bother me.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 03, 2011, 07:18:20 AM
Patriot, I can see where people would find offense to the whispers and whatever. I am not upset about your honesty at all. I for one don't let the idea that someone is talking about me bother me, anymore. I am so used to it, I look at it this way. If they are talking about me, they are leaving someone else alone. I guess that comes from leaving around here all my life, things like that just don't bother me.
Thank you. It bothers me that I've been told by at least 2 people who were considering moving to Elk that they would not, specifically because they were made to feel like unwelcome outsiders by some of our residents. Maybe what we need, in addition to roads and businesses, is a more welcoming attitude to visitors, no?
Quote from: Ross on May 02, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Quote from: srkruzich on May 02, 2011, 08:54:22 PM
LOL yeah it is interesting isn't it. Enforcement denotes usage of law enforcement to enforce these " standards". IT would have to be Law Enforcement with a WARRANT in order to be enforcible. Anything else would be subject to being shot.
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.
If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(
Quote from: mtcookson on May 03, 2011, 11:25:45 AM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.
If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(
mtcookson welcome to the conversation. Perhaps in the near future you can share more with us on your subject.
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk. Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs. They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.
Quote from: mtcookson on May 03, 2011, 11:25:45 AM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.
If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(
Oh i hear you! Never have let anyone tell me what i can and can't do with my own property.
Quote from: mayflower on May 03, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk. Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs. They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.
Think folks need to worry bout their own property instead of someone elses.
Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations and being intertwined with the government, both of which a absolutely not true. You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason. Why are the names so important anyway?
One committee member did go to the county commissioners as someone previously mentioned to see if there was a small amount of money available for a youth event. It wasn't for EK's personal gain. It was an activity for children of the whole county. What other tax payer money are you concerned that they have "wasted"?
Quote from: jprxmkt on May 03, 2011, 02:36:21 PM
Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations and being intertwined with the government, both of which a absolutely not true. You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason. Why are the names so important anyway?
One committee member did go to the county commissioners as someone previously mentioned to see if there was a small amount of money available for a youth event. It wasn't for EK's personal gain. It was an activity for children of the whole county. What other tax payer money are you concerned that they have "wasted"?
"Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations" WHO did that?
"being intertwined with the government" That is true Elk Konnected LLC is represented by a County Commissioneand "You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason."
That's not the reason, what is it they have to hide.
EK LLC sent someone to get money and they were called EK Youth services. And yes EK LLC takes credit for using our tax dollars to accomplish what ever task they do and wants praise for what they do with our tax money..
WE pay for those activities with tax dollars.
I don't see why names are important either. I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross. They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question. What I am getting from you is that you can only be involved with ONE group and ONE group only. That means that we have many people that are crossing the lines. I know people that VOLUNTEER their time, ENERGY, and WHATEVER is needed to help improve the COUNTY. Just got to ask, what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people. I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!! I was taught if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. I had better just not read any more of you all's post, I might just not be able to keep my mouth shut!! It's your opinion that you feel that they have misused money, when time and time again people have stated that they haven't. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 03, 2011, 04:11:27 PM
I don't see why names are important either. I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross. They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question. What I am getting from you is that you can only be involved with ONE group and ONE group only. That means that we have many people that are crossing the lines. I know people that VOLUNTEER their time, ENERGY, and WHATEVER is needed to help improve the COUNTY. Just got to ask, what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people. I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!! I was taught if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. I had better just not read any more of you all's post, I might just not be able to keep my mouth shut!! It's your opinion that you feel that they have misused money, when time and time again people have stated that they haven't. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!
You say, "I don't see why names are important either." Why is it important that you have a name? What difference does it make what the governor's name is? What difference does it make what the President's name is? What is there to hide from? I'd like to know who Elk Konnected LLC is as long as they are asking for my tax money. And our county commissioners and all of Elk County citizens have a right to know who is asking for their tas dollars. Perhaps it is of no interest to you and that is okay. Or perhaps you ar part of the business Elk Konnected LLC and trying to cover for them with this nonsense that names are unimportant.
You say, "I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross." Perhaps you don't understand and should go back and re-read this thread or again you are part of the company Elk Konnected LLC trying to throw up a smoke screen.
You say, "what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people." No I haven't done any of these things. these are false accusations. I have simply asked reasonable questions.
You said, "I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!!" I you are really sick of this thread, it's your choice not to return and avoid being sick. I haven't bashed Elk Konnected LLC. but Elk Konnected has bashed one of our communities and still hasn't removed the bashing. Elk Konnected LLC appears to do a pretty good job of giving them selves a BIG thank you to themselves.
You said, "They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question." Please, what two questions did they answer? Please, show me the answers?
I sure hope you get over being sick.
Quote from: mtcookson on May 03, 2011, 11:25:45 AM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.
If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(
You might check your city council and see if someone from Elk Konnected is on it.
I think if the city were really interested in cleaning up their appearance they would be interested in taking down the abandoned school building because it is an eye sore and a major saftey hazard.
You might do a search and read all the posts concerning the old school house. Then you will better understand the situation.
Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything. That is the right of the owner.
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up
Quote from: srkruzich on May 03, 2011, 09:54:09 PM
Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything. That is the right of the owner.
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up
Okay, but I thought mtcookson was talking about private property. I guess I misunderstood. Thank you.
Quote from: Wilma on May 03, 2011, 08:47:25 PM
You might do a search and read all the posts concerning the old school house. Then you will better understand the situation.
Thank you Wilma.
Quote from: mayflower on May 03, 2011, 01:47:22 PM
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk. Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs. They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.
Awesome, good to know. Thanks!
Quote from: srkruzich on May 03, 2011, 09:54:09 PM
Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything. That is the right of the owner.
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up
Its actually owned by a corporation, trust, or something along those lines. A person doesn't own it.
To the person that e-mailed me directly. I have never intended to be belittling or abusive on this forum. I don't operate behind closed doors. The number of years in school or the number of degrees a person holds or how smart they think they are does not provide all the answers. I have associated with people who are members of Mensa and some couldn't tie their own shoes while others were brilliant. I myself am not papered, but I have a lifetime of experience and I do listen to other people with more experience than my self. I also like to believe that I can stand constructive criticism and accept it generously. I also try my best to verify what I am talking about. I also try to be as honest as possible.
I guess since I am not papered I make mistakes, oh yea - I'm human -- and have made a lot of mistakes in my lifetime so far and will probably make more and hope to learn from them. So you see I wasn't judging you only replying to your responses. I sincerely apologize if I hurt your feelings.
Yes, we can agree to disagree. I have a friend on one of the committees but I am not about to lose a friend over it.
What I was saying on this link is that Elk Konnected, LLC is a privately owned company. That is what LLC means, limited liability company. The reason Elk Konnected LLC is required to be licensed is to have a non-profit status in order to avoid paying taxes. Who ever the locals are that own it have names on the business license. I am almost sure that it would unlawful to fabricate names to represent no-one to the Kansas State Department of Commerce and the IRS. You could if you wanted, verify that with the Kansas Dept of Commerce and the IRS if you doubt what I am telling you. I and others have even posted information form the Kansas department of Commerce on this link. Why do they insist on saying they don't use our tax money?
You may be a member of one of their committees, a volunteer. You may attend one or more of their community conversations but that does not make you a member of the company and only means you are doing their bidding. Their main bidding is the strength they acquire by having more people think they are part of Elk Konnected LLC and do their volunteer work.
Don't you think you should know who you are working for as a volunteer?
I was listening to the radio this morning while taking my son to the school bus. We like to listen to these dj's, make phone calls to people and ask dumb questions. And most times the answers are really funny.
This morning the question was, "You know the car the Jaguar, they have an animal junping off the hood, could you tell me what that animal is?
One person said, " I'm busy can you call me back later and I'll answer all your questions."
Another said," A lion".
And yet ansother person said, "A tiger."
One person said honestly, "I don't know."
At the time it was sort of funny.
For some reason, I just don't find that all that funny now.
This I find amazing.
Civics lesson: 'We have a crisis on our hands'
Article by: SAM DILLON , New York Times
Updated: May 4, 2011 - 10:39 PM
Knowledge about the Bill of Rights, Congress and how the branches of government work stumped many students tested nationwide. Summary.
Fewer than half of U.S. eighth-graders knew the purpose of the Bill of Rights on the most recent national civics examination, and only one in 10 demonstrated acceptable knowledge of the checks and balances among the legislative, executive and judicial branches, according to test results released on Wednesday.
At the same time, three-quarters of high school seniors who took the test, the National Assessment of Educational Progress, were unable to demonstrate civic skills like identifying the effect of United States foreign policy on other nations or naming a power granted to Congress by the Constitution.
27,000 students tested
"Today's NAEP results confirm that we have a crisis on our hands when it comes to civics education," said former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who last year founded icivics.org, a nonprofit group that teaches students civics through Web-based games and other tools.
The Department of Education administered the tests, known as the nation's report card, to 27,000 fourth-, eighth- and 12th-grade students last year. Questions cover themes including how government is financed, what rights are protected by the Constitution and how laws are passed.
Average fourth-grade scores on the test's 300-point scale rose slightly since the exam was last administered, in 2006, to 157 from 154. Average eighth-grade scores were virtually unchanged at 151. The scores of high school seniors -- students who are either eligible to vote or about to be -- dropped to 148 from 151. Those scores mean that about a quarter of 4th- and 12th-grade students, and about one-fifth of eighth-graders ranked at the proficient or advanced levels.
"The results confirm an alarming and continuing trend that civics in America is in decline," said Charles Quigley, executive director of the Center for Civic Education, a nonprofit based in California. "During the past decade or so, educational policy and practice appear to have focused more and more upon developing the worker at the expense of developing the citizen."
One bright spot in the results was that Hispanic students, who make up a growing proportion of the nation's population and student body, narrowed the gap between their scores and those of non-Hispanic white students. On average, Hispanic eighth-graders scored 137 and non-Hispanic whites 160. That 23-point gap was down from 29 points in 2006. Among high school seniors, the gap narrowed to 19 points from 24 in 2006.
The black-white achievement gap, which is about 25 points at the fourth- and eighth-grade levels and 29 points among seniors, did not change significantly.
At the bottom
The results showed that a smaller proportion of fourth- and eighth-graders demonstrated proficiency in civics than in any other subject the federal government has tested since 2005, except history, U.S. students' worst subject.
"We face difficult challenges at home and abroad," O'Connor said. "Meanwhile divisive rhetoric and a culture of sound bites threaten to drown out rational dialogue and debate. We cannot afford to continue to neglect the preparation of future generations for active and informed citizenship."
If the the schools were teaching the right civics, we'd have less central gov't.
Schools ought to be turning out thousands of States Righters each year.
Instead, they're teaching them the ways of socialism and big government more than ever.
Ross you're doing a fine job. It's good to see somebody on the ball. Stay right in there.
Don't like politics, never have and never will!! It's just to much of who you are. I am really not sure what the teach about government. I guess that will be another thing I will have to do research on. They have state standards that the state is to teach so I will have to check that out.
I have to put a boost out. I am a 4-H leader and this year our younger kids did gavel games. That is where they have to learn about running a meeting, and all the procedures that are involved with meetings. The kids learned alot!! Probably can run a meeting that would make some people go WOW!! I didn't know that is how a meeting is ran. It is amazing the stuff that I learned, too!! Ok, just putting a good thing about 4-H in there, had to!!
This may be a bit off topic, but I do agree that civics and geography too, should be more important in school curriculum. I don't worry too much about the third and fourth graders who are just really being introduced to the idea of gov't and are still learning to read. But eighth graders and high school students should have more and with all the computer programs ,films and independent learning possibilities it could and should be made very interesting for any level. I know some areas seem now to be worried more about their kids taking just those things that will help them get a job. But I think that's very short sighted.
Red, public schools are charged with teaching the children of all parents, Democrats, Republicans, Independent, far right, far left, you name it.The public schools can't just turn out thousands of states righters. As far as teaching them the ways of socialism and big gov't, yes, kids are taught what it is, just as they are taught what communism and capitalism is and how it works. They are not taught that socialism is a better choice from what we have now. The taxes of ALL people pay for kid's public educations, not just the taxes from the far right or the conservatives. Your statement is incorrect, IMHO!
Pam, great plug for 4-H! Good for you.That is where I too learned about Parliamentary Procedure and Roberts' Rules many. many years ago.
Diane, it's most likely never going to change in the public schools. Your kind dominate the public schools. There's no improving the public schools. Public schools ought to be abolished.
Our country is headed towards a "better" socialism and one world government which "so-called" conservatives seem to favor over the principles of our States and the U. S. Constitution of our founding fathers.
MY KIND??? :o :o :o Them's fightin' words twerp! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It fits. I thought you'd like that.
I don't think that is right, teachers teach what they are to teach at each of their level. There are standards and objectives that each child is to be introduced to at each level. I don't know very many teachers who pressure their child to believe one way or the other when it comes to government. You present the facts!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 05, 2011, 09:48:50 AM
I don't think that is right, teachers teach what they are to teach at each of their level. There are standards and objectives that each child is to be introduced to at each level. I don't know very many teachers who pressure their child to believe one way or the other when it comes to government. You present the facts!
And the facts being taught are presented in a cirruculum set up by whom? Oh yeah.... Government.
You are free to send your kids somewhere else, or keep them at home. I keep telling you folks to start a charter school that suits your particular needs and teaching requirements but I never hear anything but complaints. You do have choices.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 11:06:15 AM
You are free to send your kids somewhere else, or keep them at home. I keep telling you folks to start a charter school that suits your particular needs and teaching requirements but I never hear anything but complaints. You do have choices.
Diane, you obviously have a mis-understanding about Elk County politics, local economics and Kansas charter school law. Here's some info that might help in at least one of those areas.
Charter School Law
Evaluating Charter School Laws
The National Alliance for Public Charter Schools has evaluated the charter school laws of various states. It ranks Kansas 36 out of 40 states that have a law. Here's a summary of the evaluation:
Kansas's charter law was passed in 1994. In 2009-10, there are 34 charter schools serving approximately4,902 students. Kansas law only provides one authorizing option for charter applications. First, the local school board must approve it. Second, the state board of education must approve it.
While Kansas's law is cap-free and is open to new start-ups, public school conversions, and virtual schools, it needs improvement across the board. Potential starting points include expanding authorizing options, ensuring authorizer accountability, providing adequate authorizer funding, beefing up the law in relation to the model law's four "quality control" components, increasing operational autonomy, and ensuring equitable operational funding and equitable access to capital funding and facilities.
While any index is interesting, the most useful part is looking at the particulars of the index: What was included? What weightings did the authors use? The Alliance looks at a state's charter school law from 20 different perspectives, including what the law has to say about the authorizing process, school autonomy, and the role of charter school authorizers or sponsors. The top ten states (DC is counted as a state for this ranking) are Minnesota, the District of Columbia, California, Georgia, Colorado, Massachusetts, Utah, New York, Louisiana, and Arizona.
Kansas Law
Under Kansas law, teachers, parents or anyone else seeking authority to operate a charter school must submit a petition to the local school board. If the board approves the petition, it goes to the state board of education. In effect, then, charter schools in Kansas are not truly independent; instead, they are yet another school within a school district. This is a far cry from the autonomy that charter schools have in states such as Arizona and Minnesota.
Full article with statutory info: http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/charter-schools/charter-school-law/ (http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/charter-schools/charter-school-law/)
Get local school board approval? Uh huh.
Perhaps others can enlighten you on area school board politica and economics.
uh Diane...that wasnt me :D although I think 4-h is one of the finer things for kids to be involved in .......although I'm sure to SOME people it's probly double top secret government brain-washin instigated by the "liberal lefties" and has some kind of UNholy agenda attached to it :P
in fact I bet EKonnected is REALLY behind it...........OMG
that's so funny, thatsMRSc2u ( I think I got that right!)!!! Way to go!
LOL! I'll sign out now and go about my business so they can feel free to blast me :) I notice they ALWAYS wait..............
Sorry Pam, I think that was Angie now that you mention it, but I know you would approve too.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 05, 2011, 08:19:22 AM
Don't like politics, never have and never will!! It's just to much of who you are. I am really not sure what the teach about government. I guess that will be another thing I will have to do research on. They have state standards that the state is to teach so I will have to check that out.
I have to put a boost out. I am a 4-H leader and this year our younger kids did gavel games. That is where they have to learn about running a meeting, and all the procedures that are involved with meetings. The kids learned alot!! Probably can run a meeting that would make some people go WOW!! I didn't know that is how a meeting is ran. It is amazing the stuff that I learned, too!! Ok, just putting a good thing about 4-H in there, had to!!
Good boost for 4-H, that's a great organization, just like the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and so many other organizations.Lots of fun learning.
Red, you couldn't be more wrong about me and "my kind." I thought you knew by now that I am a huge believer in charter schools. NCS started out in a passel of portables while money was raised to build the permanent buildings. My company acted as owners rep. when we built Newark Charter Middle, which came first, and the elementary school which came second. You are most welcome to look us up. Google Newark Charter Delaware and learn all about the school and the "Core Curriculum" that is taught there. We did indeed have to jump over all the school board hurdles to get permission to form the charter school. There were a lot of backers then, including foundation grants, and if we build it overnight we could fill another school instantly tomorrow. ( By lottery.) The school was asked by the state to take over the Christiana High School, which is failing, but the politics got so thick the idea was turned down by the Newark Charter's school board. Yes the school is considered a public school, but it is run as a private school and can move money around in it's budget line independently and can build its buildings to our own standards rather than state standards.That saved us a ton of money as we were able to build ordinary construction, not the typical glazed tile block that many schools are built from. Parents are begging us to build a high school but I'm not sure we want to stretch that far. That remains to be seen. I'm sorry Kansas seems to be a stumbling block for you. For us it was and still is is a very exciting project.
Quote from: Ross on May 05, 2011, 07:21:03 AM
"We face difficult challenges at home and abroad," O'Connor said. "Meanwhile divisive rhetoric and a culture of sound bites threaten to drown out rational dialogue and debate. We cannot afford to continue to neglect the preparation of future generations for active and informed citizenship."
I thought this fell right in with our conversation and might explain why people ask questions and why others fail to and hide behind closed doors.
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?
Quote from: Ross on May 13, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?
No.
Have you done a search for them? ECCEF
Quote from: Ross on May 13, 2011, 08:55:59 PM
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?
Well, one of their missions of 'community & education' involved a clock for the county courthouse....
...An 85 foot bucket truck was rented from United Rentals in Wichita to give us access to the clock tower from the outside. David Seay, master clockmaker from Manhattan, and his assistant moved the supplies, material and themselves up to the tower via the bucket truck. David Seay was assisted by Patrick Perkins, from PEP Electric, as well as Bob Black, John Black and John Cooke.
The glass for the clock faces came in several pie shaped pieces to allow ease of transport and installation. The numbers and frame are wrought iron. Currently the clock chimes on the hour from 8 am to 10 pm and is silent through the night. We have several chime and melody options to explore in the future.
Many thanks to all who donated to the lovely clock. Donations can still be sent to the Elk County Community and Education Foundation at PO Box 956, Howard, KS 67349.Full story: http://kansasflinthills.travel/articles/Clocktower (http://kansasflinthills.travel/articles/Clocktower)
And was once led by our own Charles Durbin who subsequently decided to make his home somewhere other than Elk County. (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Charles/Durbin (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Charles/Durbin))
Title
Former Director of Economic Development - Elk County, Kansas
Demographic info
Fayetteville, Arkansas Area | Nonprofit Organization Management
Past:
Department Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement, Director of Economic Development at Elk County, Kansas, President and Board Member at Elk County Community and Educational Foundation, Board Member and District Loan Committee Member at South Central Kansas Economic Development District, Board Member at See-Kan Resource Conservation and Development (See-Kan RC&D), (Founding) Board Member, Executive Council Member at Q.U.A.D. Enterprise Facilitation, (Founding) Board Member, Treasurer, and Director of Communications at Elk River Public Wholesale Water Supply District (PWWSD No. 24), Formation Task Force Member, Secretary/Treasurer, and Facilitator at Elk County Rural Water District No. 02, Council Member at Elk County Extension Council, Feed Production and Sales at Mills Feed and Supply, Key Carrier and Department Manager at Atwoods Farm and Home
Education:
Kansas State University
Summary:
OBJECTIVE: The opportunity to utilize my diverse understanding of community and economic development, not-for-profit management, grant writing, communications, marketing, and governmental relations. SUMMARY: I have over ten years experience in community and economic development, including three as a county director of economic development. I have enhanced my knowledge of community and economic development, and my skills and abilities in marketing, public relations, and management through collegiate education, professional development activities, and civic leadership positions held. I'm amazed that with all the vast experience and frenetic efforts brought to bear by so many in this county (past & present), we're still one of the poorest counties in Kansas, with a shrinking population and little prospect for growth. Real growth is so evasive. Maybe we should admit that what has been and is being done has had little effect in accomplishing the stated goal of 'developing the community.' Unless development really means cosmetic facelifts. Maybe we need another grant. Though the clock chimes are nice and give a real homey feel to Howard. :-\
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 14, 2011, 06:44:27 AM
Have you done a search for them? ECCEF
I'll try that, ECCEF thank you.
I love hearing the clock chime when I go to Howard. As of next weekend the population will go up 1. Not much I know but hope to be a help in some way.
We've seen stuff like this before....... Patriot, you're hitting the nail right on the head.
Patriot: What is your purpose in posting Charlie Durbin's resume? Are you trying to show Elk County what they lost when he decided to locate elsewhere? Or are you telling Elk County that no matter what they do or who they employ, they are not going to succeed in anything they try? Are you or are you not an Elk County booster?
Red, what "stuff" and what nail? Another black cloud? I thought the clock was a great idea. Do you know just as there are people who travel to take photos of water towers and light houses there are people who take photos of interesting public clocks? If they had a place to stay ya might catch ( or have already caught) a tourist or two.
Quote from: Wilma on May 14, 2011, 10:15:03 AM
Patriot: What is your purpose in posting Charlie Durbin's resume? Are you trying to show Elk County what they lost when he decided to locate elsewhere? Or are you telling Elk County that no matter what they do or who they employ, they are not going to succeed in anything they try? Are you or are you not an Elk County booster?
If you were following the context Wilma, you would have deduced that Mr. Durbin was 1) Associated with the foundation about which Ross inquired, and 2) Perhaps I'm pointing out that resume fluff doesn't necessarily produce comparable results. As to his relocation, it should be noted that Mr. Durbin also served as the county economic development coordinator for several years and that nothing spectacular was generated during his tenure now he's taken all his talent elsewhere.... and the sad song continues.
Perhaps red can put the following phrases in perspective for you:
No matter where you go, there you are. If nothing changes, nothing changes. And just who the hell is driving the bus?
Or perhaps this computer analogy fits: Garbage in, garbage out.
Or maybe this: The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over while expecting different results.See any parallels to the last 20 or so years in Elk County?
I'm a supporter of Elk County, but I
won't support doing the same crap that has been showing no significant results for years....like spending scarce tax dollars on cosmetics, applying last minute quick fixes to problems that should have been dealt with years earlier, handing money to every Tom, Dick & Harry who comes in with a hand out for taxpayer dollars for this or that project, sending every upstart who needs a block filled on their resume to this convention or that retreat, keeping people on board who don't even realize what constitutes a debt, refinancing $20,000 payments so the taxpayers can pick the added interest or to cover up budget shortfalls that might expose mismanagement, allowing government officials to negotiate deals that result in million dollar windfalls to their immediate families, interrupting a school superintendent's contract mid-term just to give them a substantial raise during bad economic times, or enforcing undocumented rules that unwisely require savings of 10% or more before making non-local procurements (a penny saved is a penny earned), or making a priority of looking for every public grant possible to steal other taxpayers monies just to cover years of local mismanagement, or silently accepting a community that manages to make visitors feel like leprosy cases and new residents feel like the redheaded stepkids (no matter how rich or poor they are) all the while thinking that a new school building on the highway is gonna bring in new families by the truckload... and the list goes on.
Yes we need change, it's the kind of change we disagree about. If you want change, put down the broom & homemade signs. Look first to those you've entrusted to make that change. Get a county manager in place so every department head has a full time focal point with the authority to make important decisions without a consensus of three and so they don't have to take 'the hot seat' before a commission who's only on site twice a month. If you aren't getting results, find some folks who will change the status quo and can get results, then fire the ones who can't or haven't.
The change we need first is one of attitude. The next changes we need are changes of process.
Hope that helps....
Oh, Diane, nice story, but 'snagging' a tourist or two ain't gonna do much.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 14, 2011, 08:27:19 AM
We've seen stuff like this before....... Patriot, you're hitting the nail right on the head.
Ditto. You can pretend all you want and that is all you have. Overspending and pretend.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 14, 2011, 01:53:32 PM
Red, what "stuff" and what nail? Another black cloud? I thought the clock was a great idea. Do you know just as there are people who travel to take photos of water towers and light houses there are people who take photos of interesting public clocks? If they had a place to stay ya might catch ( or have already caught) a tourist or two.
Diane come on. What does an occassional clock photograper do for the overall economy of a county. Or are we talking about the whole county or just the little town of Howard.
Quote from: Patriot on May 14, 2011, 04:10:27 PM
The change we need first is one of attitude. The next changes we need are changes of process.
Patriot I Agree with you attitude, attitude. Attitude is everything. Pretenders don't help attitude. Writing letters to pat themselves on the back is the ultimate.
So it is the same old story. Elk County is incompetent of doing anything constructive so we shouldn't even try. But why place the blame on one person who has moved on? I notice that Mr. Durbin's replacements haven't accomplished much either. Is it them or is it the unresponsiveness of the county? If you are saying that what we need to do is overthrow the government and put in new commissioners, because, ultimately, these decisions are theirs, why don't you just say so and leave out the various unelected underlings?
Is Mr. Durbin the only one responsible for no progress in the past 20 years? I still don't understand why you chose to post his resume. I can only hope that someone that reads that resume realizes that they can use his talents and gives him an outstanding job at an enormous salary. Then your post will have accomplished something.
Quote from: Wilma on May 14, 2011, 05:22:49 PM
So it is the same old story. Elk County is incompetent of doing anything constructive so we shouldn't even try. But why place the blame on one person who has moved on? I notice that Mr. Durbin's replacements haven't accomplished much either. Is it them or is it the unresponsiveness of the county? If you are saying that what we need to do is overthrow the government and put in new commissioners, because, ultimately, these decisions are theirs, why don't you just say so and leave out the various unelected underlings?
Is Mr. Durbin the only one responsible for no progress in the past 20 years? I still don't understand why you chose to post his resume. I can only hope that someone that reads that resume realizes that they can use his talents and gives him an outstanding job at an enormous salary. Then your post will have accomplished something.
I believe rhat Patriot was pointing out all the talent and ability that Mr. Durbin possessed but took those tallents and apparently decided to move on for whatever reasons.
I do not believe it was menat as a slam to show all that talent and knowledge.
Patriot.
Whilst your idea and thoughts are good, and people as well as the obvious commisioners disagree...I do have to agree to a point with your idea.
Please rememeber back as a kid: What the elders said was true, and you will obey. And now you are saying "they are self serving???"
Also, if one is put on the Comissioner's hot seat....it is for a reason: 1. they defied the couty's policies; 2. Someone is out to get them and wants a fair stance....which is a cowardly way in my mind; or, 3. refer to #1.
You all voted them in, and now you all reap your wishes.....Fairy tales are just that...."I think I can..I think I can..."
Not to butt heads here, however it seems there is a lot of turmoil over a couple of instigators. hmmmmm
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 05:49:57 PM
Patriot.
it seems there is a lot of turmoil over a couple of instigators. hmmmmm
Conversation is now called instigating, that's nice to know. We converse by sharing information don't we Patriot? At least that's what I thought. These Elk Konnected, LLC people just don't play nice, always trying to put us down for having a conversation or asking a question. Not nice me.at all. They even all facts trash, shame shame. Now it's called turmoil, what would it be called if we were in a circle of chairs?
Now, now. In no way did I call you out! Quite the opposite. Please don't get paranoic on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just know that if the 'facade' of good intentions are there, then those that don't follow with their blinders on will see that 1: yes the clock is nice. 2: Where are the businesses? 3. What part do the commisoners have in the sayso of who can build and who cannot? That seems to be a contention as to where is the money SHOW ME THE MONEY and where it is spent!
The comissioners are in control, either fortunately, or not. They are elected officials. If things aren't the way anyone wants, then try to change it, and yes, Ross/Partriot, I have agreed with some of your thoughts. Just don't know if Howard is ready with some of your though processes.
Discussion is good. A circle of chairs is good in its place. Around a campfire, with a pot of beans, kiettle coffe and the wildnerness.
To move forward, takes faith and somewhat of a miracle. Keep bringing up thoughts.
ready
:-X I said I would stay out of this....and I will from now on. Everyone brings up questions...and ross/Patriot...you both get my craw. that doesn't mean I disagree. Some people will just not move on to things more important then comspetics to bring in businesses.
1. have to have a substructure to suport (roads, water, etc). 2. have to have traffic to support those businesses' (why go off 400 to see Howard?) 3. The future of this town not being like Busby is what?????????????
off now...ready.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 06:24:10 PM
Now, now. In no way did I call you out! Quite the opposite. Please don't get paranoic on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just know that if the 'facade' of good intentions are there, then those that don't follow with their blinders on will see that 1: yes the clock is nice. 2: Where are the businesses? 3. What part do the commisoners have in the sayso of who can build and who cannot? That seems to be a contention as to where is the money SHOW ME THE MONEY and where it is spent!
The comissioners are in control, either fortunately, or not. They are elected officials. If things aren't the way anyone wants, then try to change it, and yes, Ross/Partriot, I have agreed with some of your thoughts. Just don't know if Howard is ready with some of your though processes.
Discussion is good. A circle of chairs is good in its place. Around a campfire, with a pot of beans, kiettle coffe and the wildnerness.
To move forward, takes faith and somewhat of a miracle. Keep bringing up thoughts.
ready
Well, now that I like. Thaks for setting me straight.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 06:30:33 PM
:-X I said I would stay out of this....and I will from now on. Everyone brings up questions...and ross/Patriot...you both get my craw. that doesn't mean I disagree. Some people will just not move on to things more important then comspetics to bring in businesses. 1. have to have a substructure to suport (roads, water, etc). 2. have to have traffic to support those businesses' (why go off 400 to see Howard?) 3. The future of this town not being like Busy is what?????????????
off now...ready.
Actually this thread was more about Elk Konnected, LLC than Howard. but as you seem to be saying everything appears to be aimed at Howard. Elk Konnected, LLC has refered to the "old guard" and from my understanding there is really no difference. It's just organized as Elk Konnected, LLC, whatever that "old guard" was/is.
#1 If you read the first article in this thread it stated a big idea. "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)" Now doesn't that just sound like Howard want's to dictate to the whole county?
#2 Another "Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)"
That to me reads shut down Longtons fair ground and disallow their "Longton Free Fair" not called a county fair. Again bring all interest to Howard.
Now i have expressed my opinion about #1 & #2 above and I invite your opinion as to what the statements in quotations might mean to you. Thanks.
Ross, I'm one of those "every little bit helps" people. Besides, your residents should have something to enjoy, like the clock, even if nobody else notices. You are never going to have one quick fix for Elk County and everything will be fine.There are just too few of you and too many who don't seem to want any growth or change at all.That will eventually be the death knell of any small town. To court any real industry you have to compete or have tax incentives or have something ready to offer. Your infrastructure is just too small unless somebody/ies takes a deep breath and demands, encourages, cajoles, begs, pleads or just plain gets gets pissed enough to find interest and cooperation.
Who is going to want to risk a big investment there? Some of you don't even consider the wind farm project enough to bother with because it won't fix everything all at once and is limited.
You have big land owners and very successful people who will snap up every piece of land for sale and expand their ranches and /or farms, but is that kind of success enough to make for a healthy area? Apparently not.You'd have to go back a few years and look at all the good suggestions that sprouted right here. Some by people who have moved on and are no longer active on the forum.
There are so many portable jobs out there that aren't location dependent, but how would they know about Elk County? Plus you have a few really RUDE snots on the forum who would drive away anybody because they are so incredibly judgemental and intolerant of anybody who doesn't fit their predetermined mold and agree with anything they say. If a few of you treat the public, or each other other in person like you do on the forum, or worse yet, are two faced, no wonder your area isn't thriving.
As for Charlie, he can speak very well for himself. That's all I'll say on that.
Ross, had you stayed for the entire evening, you would know that those "big ideas" came from individuals in the discussion circles, and not from any governing body or the Elk Konnected steering committee or any sort of leadership group. Each and every participant had the opportunity to share ideas, large and small, about how to make Elk County a better place for all. This isn't about Howard, or Moline or Longton. This isn't about any one group controlling another. The conversation was and is about Elk County and its future. Those who were there understand how the process worked.
By the way, how did your meeting with Mr. Fish go? What did you find out? Would it not, in the spirit of fairness, be of interest to all to hear what you learned? Also would you share what you found out when you talked with any of the commissioners?
Quote from: indygal on May 14, 2011, 07:25:39 PM
Ross, had you stayed for the entire evening, you would know that those "big ideas" came from individuals in the discussion circles, and not from any governing body or the Elk Konnected steering committee or any sort of leadership group. Each and every participant had the opportunity to share ideas, large and small, about how to make Elk County a better place for all. This isn't about Howard, or Moline or Longton. This isn't about any one group controlling another. The conversation was and is about Elk County and its future. Those who were there understand how the process worked.
By the way, how did your meeting with Mr. Fish go? What did you find out? Would it not, in the spirit of fairness, be of interest to all to hear what you learned? Also would you share what you found out when you talked with any of the commissioners?
I just haven't had the chance to visit with Mr. Fish. When I do get the opportunity to visit with him if I decide there is anything to share I may do just that. I have been pretty busy.
As for my visit with the commissioners I have already posted that visits information. Thanks for inquiring.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 14, 2011, 07:19:03 PM
Ross, I'm one of those "every little bit helps" people.
Every little bit helps, huh? And I suppose this little bit helps a lot?
#1 If you read the first article in this thread it stated a big idea. "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)" Now doesn't that just sound like Howard want's to dictate to the whole county?
#2 Another "Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)"
That to me reads shut down Longtons fair ground and disallow their "Longton Free Fair" not called a county fair. Again bring all interest to Howard.
It shows attitude. And as I have been informed on this very forum these ideas have been around a very long time. Not a new idea but a big idea.
Does the founding member Of Elk Konnected, LLC writing herself a letter to be published in a local magazine sound proper to you? Oh and she made sure to use her position as Elk County Commissioner in writing that letter. Where, oh where are the ethics.
I'm all for good change not no change. But the lie continues about not using taxpayers dollars to accomplish what each community in Elk County could accomplish for themselves with those same tax dollars if available to them instead of a Howard controlled company.
You keep talking about tax dollars being spent on Howard improvements. Do you care to enlarge on that? Just what improvements in Howard, such as the clock tower, has tax money been used for? List them and keep it simple. There is no need to enlarge your post with your opinion. The facts, sir, just the facts.
And if I remember right, the one fair was to be a new facility, centrally located, which is certainly not Howard.
Quote from: Wilma on May 15, 2011, 07:15:55 AM
You keep talking about tax dollars being spent on Howard improvements. Do you care to enlarge on that? Just what improvements in Howard, such as the clock tower, has tax money been used for? List them and keep it simple. There is no need to enlarge your post with your opinion. The facts, sir, just the facts.
And if I remember right, the one fair was to be a new facility, centrally located, which is certainly not Howard.
Wilma, are you talking to me?
If so.
I don't believe, I have mentioned that the tax dollars are used for improvements in Howard.
I do believe, I have said tax dollars are used by a Howard business.
I was refering to Elk Konnected, LLC a Howard business.
I also believe I have mentioned that I don't understand their community boundaries. For instance how does Severy in Greenwood County fit in to Elk County? What's with the bias?
That remark about centrally locarted, that sounds like what people told me was said about the West Elk High School which was suppose to be built at the rodeo grounds yet it is just a quarter of a mile outside of Howard. That reminds me of the remarks about the Fitness Center in Howard. I believe they said they checked the other communities but there was nothing in the other communities that was up to Howards standards. Soomething to that effect.
They did check other fitness centers and found that what other communities had cost too much for this area.
Severy is included in the Elk Konnected because it is connected to Elk County. I lived in Severy for 25 years. My children, two of whom now live in Howard, grew up in Severy. Severy is connected to Elk County because they are in USD 282, which is based in Elk County.
At the time the West Elk High School was built, it could not be built in the vicinity of the rodeo grounds because of the proximity of the then fully operational rock quarry.
Is Elk Konnected, LLC an operating business in Howard? Or is it just an organization of people who are interested in improving the area?
And what about the tax dollars? Just how is tax dollars included in this for anything except the school?
Ross, I was talking about the clock, which I think everybody likes and people also donated to help get it. It wasn't just tax dollars. As far as combining the Gov't functions, I don't know enough about the real pros and cons to have an educated opinion. Since Howard, like it or not, is the County Seat, I can see why some things would tend to cluster there. I also understand that the other little towns are, in a sense, fighting for their lives and don't want any other place to over shadow them. The lack of people is really tough.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 15, 2011, 09:36:23 AM
Ross, I was talking about the clock, which I think everybody likes and people also donated to help get it. It wasn't just tax dollars. As far as combining the Gov't functions, I don't know enough about the real pros and cons to have an educated opinion. Since Howard, like it or not, is the County Seat, I can see why some things would tend to cluster there. I also understand that the other little towns are, in a sense, fighting for their lives and don't want any other place to over shadow them. The lack of people is really tough.
I have enjoyed hearing the clock on occassion and none of what I have said was concerning the clock. Also, I don't live in any of these little communities but have enjoyed the uniqueness of each and the decent people that live in them. I have enjoyed their festivals and their parades. I truely believe if Elk Konnected, LLC wanted to make a real difference they would help these little communities acquire the community grants that are or have been available to them. But I fear with all the cut backs in government spending across the country those will disappear. By such action versus trying to get involved in governmental control they could have truely made a name for themselves. To me ir's all about attitude and ethics.
In the near future we all may need to rely on each other to survive. Help a neighbor with a basket of vegatables from the garden, a dozen eggs to another neighbor, it's all about attitude. One community being better than the other has no part in attitude or ethics.
I grew up as a cub scout and a boy scout often wondering where the dime for the meeting was coming from. We played at the park and up and down the rivers and creeks, As we got older farmers allowed us to hunt rabbits across their pastures, we hiked for miles. And we never got obese. VBS was another great thing. None of these activities took a private company raising money and bragging about themselves to themselves. I took my scouts oath and lived by it. I joined the military took that oath and lived by it as well.
I'm saying ethics and attitude use to be of great importance in this country. If those had remained in tact through the years in politics and banking our country would not be in the trouble it is in today. These little communities in Elk County still appear to have those qualities and that is one of the reasons I live here.
Have you ever been to Independence, Kansas? Ever heard of Neewollah? Today it is a pretty large event in Independence, people arrive from all over the country. They had a great promoter a Mr. Halsey which helped the festival tremendously for many years. Now that's the way to boost a communities economy at least once a year. Their festival runs for a week give or take a day. All the motel rooms get book for miles around. Some people even stay in the motel in Longton I understand. Of course you have to start small just as they did in the early 1900's. Suggestions of that nature are not desirable. You can't force a garden to grow to fruit over night but you can nurture it and enjoy watching it grow until the fruit appears.
Ok, haven't talked on this subject for awhile been other things on my mind. But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. I feel that putting the information that I have heard on this forum just isn't right. But I think no matter if tax dollars are spent on Elk Konnect or not, that won't change the need that some of you have to answer questions. I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do. Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair. I just don't see this happening. I also don't see one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met.
That's all I will say. I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2011, 06:54:44 AM
...I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????
Try this.... It's about an incestuous relationship between the two of them that results in a fading of the lines between public & private enterprise leading to conflicts of interest on the part of government and officially promoted & sanctioned gang rape of the taxpayer at large by private special interests.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! Link=topic=11780.msg162083#msg162083 date=1305550484
Ok, haven't talked on this subject for awhile been other things on my mind. But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. I feel that putting the information that I have heard on this forum just isn't right. But I think no matter if tax dollars are spent on Elk Konnect or not, that won't change the need that some of you have to answer questions. I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do. Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair. I just don't see this happening. I also don't see one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met.
That's all I will say. I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????
You said, "But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. " Good for you, talking to someone that knows things. Did they tell you that Elk Konnected, LLC is a company and that you cannot be a member of the company. And that people are used a volunteer to fulfill the needs of the members of Elk Konnected . No one has said that Elk Konnected, LLC can not be a good thing. It's seems a lot of people misconstrue what is actually written. In fact no one has actually said it's a bad thing. We just feel as a non-profit, tax free organization wanting to shape our governments in Elk County should be as transparent as everyone wants our national political system to be. Come out of hiding, so to say.
You said."I also don't see one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met." Elk Konnected, LLC proposed exactly that as a big idea, now why do you suppose they would do that? We who have been asking the questions are simply trying to get people to open their eyes and see for themselves.
You said." But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. That just doesn't sound to positive.But you know you aren't required to share anything at all. So enjoy that information and be happy.
You said, "I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do." Can you enlighten us as to exactly what you think they are trying to do?
You said, "Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair." I have to ask you, why do you suppose it was written in Elk Konnected, LLC's proposals to the Elk County Commissioners?
Elk Konnected, LLC has shown that they controlled what was turned in to the Elk County Commissioners. So the business of people making suggestions just doesn't cut it. Unless of course you know who made the suggestions. You see Elk konnected does not document any of this type of information, There again a lack of transparency.
You said, "So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????" Don't be confused any longer. This thread is about Elk County, all of the communities in Elk County and rural areas and Elk Konnected, LLC. Because they are all tied together. And it's about open and honest communication. I hope that clears things up.
Quote from: Patriot on May 16, 2011, 07:07:46 AM
Try this.... It's about an incestuous relationship between the two of them that results in a gang rape of the taxpayer.
Let's play nice Patriot. ROFLMBO
Quote from: Ross on May 16, 2011, 08:25:49 AM
Let's play nice Patriot. ROFLMBO
Oh... you said 'take the high road' not 'let's get high and take to the road'... sorry. I recoated it with some chocolate... sorta.
You got your humor fined tuned this morning. Good job.
Ross, I didn't just arrive on here yesterday. ;) WARNING, BORING DISCOURSE AHEAD! STOP! TURN BACK BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE! ;D ;D ;D
Of course I've been to Independence and are ashamed to say I even went to the Walmart. :-[ ;D Yes, I know about Halloween, Kirsti Ally, the out house tours, Crazy Days and more. I've been to Sedan, Caney, all the EK Konnected towns,even Grenola...sorry Varmit... and many more north to Nebraska. (My mom was from Horton.) They just had their graduation...all 37 of them.
I've eaten at Toots many times and Poplar Pizza,The Swing Bridge Cafe on steak night, stayed in the Rose Room at Crooked Creek Lodge and have eaten Montereys at the Cafe at Longton too. I've been to Elk Falls Pottery, stayed at the Silver Bell Motel and eaten at both the great barbecue place and had breakfast at the bakery in Elk Falls when they were still there. I have photos of the Iron Bridge at Elk Falls at near flood and got a kick out of all the animal tracks along there where the local critters come down to drink. I've shopped at Cooksons' and been to all the shops and museums in the old days. My interest in the doin's out there is very real.
There was a lot of talk about grants some time back but everything that was available at the time were matching grants and nobody had the money for the match to get what was needed.Perhaps it's time to start again. As far as helping each other with the little but important things.They already do it....big time! The people there do share their fruit and veggies, just as I supply my whole street here.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 16, 2011, 11:25:13 AM
Ross, I didn't just arrive on here yesterday. ;) WARNING, BORING DISCOURSE AHEAD! STOP! TURN BACK BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE! ;D ;D ;D
Of course I've been to Independence and are ashamed to say I even went to the Walmart. :-[ ;D Yes, I know about Halloween, Kirsti Ally, the out house tours, Crazy Days and more. I've been to Sedan, Caney, all the EK Konnected towns,even Grenola...sorry Varmit... and many more north to Nebraska. (My mom was from Horton.) They just had their graduation...all 37 of them.
I've eaten at Toots many times and Poplar Pizza,The Swing Bridge Cafe on steak night, stayed in the Rose Room at Crooked Creek Lodge and have eaten Montereys at the Cafe at Longton too. I've been to Elk Falls Pottery, stayed at the Silver Bell Motel and eaten at both the great barbecue place and had breakfast at the bakery in Elk Falls when they were still there. I have photos of the Iron Bridge at Elk Falls at near flood and got a kick out of all the animal tracks along there where the local critters come down to drink. I've shopped at Cooksons' and been to all the shops and museums in the old days. My interest in the doin's out there is very real.
There was a lot of talk about grants some time back but everything that was available at the time were matching grants and nobody had the money for the match to get what was needed.Perhaps it's time to start again. As far as helping each other with the little but important things.They already do it....big time! The people there do share their fruit and veggies, just as I supply my whole street here.
Did I somehow offend you, if so my appologies. But it is apparent you recognize the uniqness of each community. I really enjoy that uniqness when I visit the communities. You can also see the disagreement that can go on in any community and I'm sure if you paid attention to the community that you presently live in you could find something interesting there as well. But the real point I believe that I was making was Elk konnected, LLC should stay out of their city goveernments, they have a constitutional right to them.
I found nothing boring at all about your statement, I rather enjoyed it.
About the grants, I believe that is an ever changing thing. In fact I think they may become very scarce to none very soon.
Ross, in no way did you offend me and it's clear you do try not to. That is very refreshing. There are a couple of people on the forum who jump to personal attacks immediately and try to ruin the credibility of the poster when they disagree rather than debate the issues.
Why, thank yo Diane. I appreciate the compliment.
I would like to clear up a huge misconception. Elk Konnected LLC does not have a mission to centralize the government in Elk County. That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline. Also the idea of 1 county fair was brought up by an Elk County citizen (not EK LLC) in one of the meetings. The circles consisted of people from all parts of the county, all walks of life, rich, poor, college educated, high school dropouts, employed, unemployed, etc. A note taker was chosen from each circle by the entire circle also not ELK Konnected LLC. That person recorded all ideas brought up by that circle of people (again not ELk Konnected LLC). All of those note takers from each circle then had a meeting to compile all ideas from every single circle so that every single person's ideas were presented to the commissioners. There is clearly documentation on all of it. Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners. Now it is in their hands. All 3 of them. It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible. It was a great night of brainstorming and wondering how great our whole community, all towns and rural people included, could be if we think and work positively to make it happen for all of us! The main mission of Elk Konnected LLC is to keep each town talking and working together to accomplish great things so we can all grow. We all need each other to keep this a great place to live, to retain what we currently have, and to supplement it in the future.
Very well put, Julie. This has all been said before, but conveniently forgotten by some. So, please, before you start again on what you perceive as a potential takeover by Elk Konnected, LLC, remember that all these ideas came from citizens of Elk County. None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do. All that has been done is to collect the ideas, be they big or small, fact or fallacy, doable or not doable, good ideas or stupid ideas. Nothing can be done overnight or even decided overnight. Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.
Quote from: jprxmkt on May 16, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
I would like to clear up a huge misconception. Elk Konnected LLC does not have a mission to centralize the government in Elk County. That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline. Also the idea of 1 county fair was brought up by an Elk County citizen (not EK LLC) in one of the meetings. The circles consisted of people from all parts of the county, all walks of life, rich, poor, college educated, high school dropouts, employed, unemployed, etc. A note taker was chosen from each circle by the entire circle also not ELK Konnected LLC. That person recorded all ideas brought up by that circle of people (again not ELk Konnected LLC). All of those note takers from each circle then had a meeting to compile all ideas from every single circle so that every single person's ideas were presented to the commissioners. There is clearly documentation on all of it. Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners. Now it is in their hands. All 3 of them. It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible. It was a great night of brainstorming and wondering how great our whole community, all towns and rural people included, could be if we think and work positively to make it happen for all of us! The main mission of Elk Konnected LLC is to keep each town talking and working together to accomplish great things so we can all grow. We all need each other to keep this a great place to live, to retain what we currently have, and to supplement it in the future.
It sounds like you are an Elk Konnected, LLC insider. So I'm asking why are the insiders hiding? Who are the insiders?
And as far as being Elk Konnected, LLC ideas the ideas came from Elk Konnected, LLC's strictly controlled Community Conversations and filtered, and catoragized by Elk Konnected, LLC. So the argument that it is not an Elk Konnected, LLC agenda doesn't hold water. If you want it to hold water I would only suggest Elk Konnected, LLC leave county government up to the elected officials. They could hold their own meeting with the county people. Or is it that you don't believe they are capable.
You said, "That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline." Are you saying the Community Conversation controlled by Public Square Communities,LLC was not called by Elk Konnected, LLC? Are you saying that Moline is not part of the Elk Konnected, LLC community? You have really confused me now?
You said, "It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible.." With two out of three County Commissioners who appear to be connected with Elk Konnected, LLC can't you see a flaw with that? Doesn't that make the task that more daunting? One County Commissioner a founding member of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Big conflict of interest. Perhaps being an insider you could show us some public documents that the IRS told me you are suppose to post openly. Those being the "Letter of Determination", the "Exemption Application", and your "Annual Information Return" . That might put some minds at ease. Show a little transparency, who are the official members of Elk Konnected, LLC That would be a good start and how is your company organized?
IE, secretary, treasurer etc. I'm sure the people in the county would like to know. Afterall you only had about 5 percent of the population show up for the supposed conversation.
Perhaps, I misunderstood about membership, I was told since I showed up at a community conversation that I was a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. I argued otherwise, because I did not sign you little piece of paper. So, if all those people that signed your little paper are members and they made the suggestions, theat seems to me to make it an Elk Konnected, LLC idea. Correct me if I'm wrong. Are those people that attended the conversation and signed in members or not? Are the volunteers members or not? Pretty simple questions, that only require a simple yes or a no.
Wow, I sure am glad you are available to clear up all the confusion. Thanks.
Ross,
By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square. By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.
Quote from: Wilma on May 16, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
Very well put, Julie. This has all been said before, but conveniently forgotten by some. So, please, before you start again on what you perceive as a potential takeover by Elk Konnected, LLC, remember that all these ideas came from citizens of Elk County. None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do. All that has been done is to collect the ideas, be they big or small, fact or fallacy, doable or not doable, good ideas or stupid ideas. Nothing can be done overnight or even decided overnight. Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.
Why collect ideas if you think it is worthless, that they mean nothing. But the ideas were catoragized as big ideas for some reason weren't they? Oh, we know nothing can be done over night it takes time for things to brew doesn't it.
You said, "Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony." I don't wear Hanes but if you want to know just ask, and I don't let them get twisted, there is nothing to gain by that. And I am in no agony. It appears my questions give you agony or these remarks by you wouldn't be necessary. And I hope and pray the agony is not too unbearable.
Quote from: jprxmkt on May 16, 2011, 07:40:26 PM
I would like to clear up a huge misconception. Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners. Now it is in their hands. All 3 of them. It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible.
Can we assume, from the authoritative revelations in your post, that you are a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected, LLC? If so, thanks for speaking up.
Additionally, if one or more county commissioners are also admitted members of the LLC, how is it that he/she/they do not recuse themselves from commission votes when taxpayer money is solicited for EK sponsored functions? Seems a very fine line.
Quote from: Wilma on May 16, 2011, 08:20:24 PM
None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do....
..Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.
Follow the bouncing ball. Elk Konnected, LLC... sponsors functions... takes taxpayer funds... county commissioner(s) dole out those funds... if elected officials also run/own Elk Konnected, LLC... potential conflict of interest. Without considerable transparency (obtained by voluntary disclosure, through discovery in a lawsuit, or via criminal investigation), it's difficult to know.
Twisted Hanes? Spared agony? Oh, please.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 16, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Ross,
By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square. By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.
When you accuse Patriot an myself of something can't you be more precise? We are not chasing our tails but someone apears to have their tail tucked between their legs and it's not us. I don't have a fake name, I'm not hiding, I'm quite open and that's all I ask of Elk Konnected, LLC? What do they have to hide? They give a few people a position on a committe and those poor folks think they are members of Elk Konnected, LLC when actually they are not. They are simply volunteering to do what Elk Konnected want's them to do.
When I was a kid squares weren't cool. Who says you have to have a square?
Perhaps if they chose to do as they originally said and try to do away with conflict there would be no problem. Answer a few simple questions, but I think they are afraid to do just that. It's teir game I'm jsut playing. Their move. Transparency!?!
Quote from: flintauqua on May 16, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square. By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.
You might be surprised at just how many people are asking the same questions in other venues. I notice, in another recent thread, how much back room deals seem to bother you. What's the difference? At least your government opponents in that debate are clearly identifiable.
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?
As for being in agony, you seem to be agonizing quite a lot over this subject. I don't see it as an issue. I see it as an organization that is trying to do something for Elk County and keeps getting bashed for no apparent reason.
Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions. Are you calling her a liar?
Quote from: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 06:59:52 AM
Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions. Are you calling her a liar?
Interesting Deflection so as to try and obfusicate the questions at hand.
Quote from: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 06:59:52 AM
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?
As for being in agony, you seem to be agonizing quite a lot over this subject. I don't see it as an issue. I see it as an organization that is trying to do something for Elk County and keeps getting bashed for no apparent reason.
Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions. Are you calling her a liar?
That is so disrespectful of everyone on thei thresd. To suggest calling someone a liar.
The tax money is not really the main issue, but that information is listed through out this thread.
The main issue is who is Elk Konnected, LLC. Who is on their board of governors, who is their secretary, who is, what is the structure of Elk Konnected, LLC. Do you know?
I have never seen any answers to these simple questions. Why are they hiding? What do they have to hide. Many other county residence are asking the same questions but they just won't do it openly.
Evidently no one on this Forum has the answers to your questions. Why don't you take them to someone that can tell you? You aren't answering questions very good yourself, are you?
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose? Do you know the answer? Can you answer the question?
Quote from: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 10:21:16 AM
Evidently no one on this Forum has the answers to your questions. Why don't you take them to someone that can tell you? You aren't answering questions very good yourself, are you?
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose? Do you know the answer? Can you answer the question?
Oh, I'm sure there are people on this forum that have the answers and I am sure Elk Konnected, LLC is monitoring this forum because it would make perfect snese for a company to do so.
I have been on here to ask questions and to visit with a couple of other people.
Quote from the middle of page four of this thread,
" I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php . If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.
I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?
I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide?
"The link for this quote is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html and be sure to go half way down the page.
And I say once again, that money is requested from the Elk County Commission for help in a lot of different things. Most recently, the summer baseball programs. The money is budgeted for this purpose. Why should one organization be refused when all other requests are honored?
If you are hinting that someone is benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so? Or better still get out there and prove it.
Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?
Quote from: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 12:49:56 PM
And I say once again, that money is requested from the Elk County Commission for help in a lot of different things. Most recently, the summer baseball programs. The money is budgeted for this purpose. Why should one organization be refused when all other requests are honored?
If you are hinting that someone is benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so? Or better still get out there and prove it.
Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?
You just don't get it? I'll try again!!! I'm asking who is elk Konnected, LLC, how is their organization operated? And I'm not asking about how the Community Conversations are ran, we have seen that. I'm not asking who their volunteers are, that is not Elk Konnected, LLC. I hope that is clear, I just can't seem to make that any clearer.
You said, "If you are
hinting that someone is
benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so?" I have never hinted at anything I have been straight forward with my questions. But perhaps you are hinting by broaching the subject of hinting. I don't understand where these accusations are coming from.
You said, "Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?" I really don't care about the money. But, I did answer your question in the above post.
I take it that you are once again talking about a $3,000.00 school grant that was made by the Department of Commerce. To whom was it made?
Ross -
You asked who was on Elk Konnected - I have several times suggested you search this forum. If you have, you haven't posted your results.
I searched just now - in the topic "Enjoyed Elk Konnected Updates" http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html the original steering committee is listed.
;)
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 17, 2011, 06:46:13 PM
Ross -
You asked who was on Elk Konnected - I have several times suggested you search this forum. If you have, you haven't posted your results.
I searched just now - in the topic "Enjoyed Elk Konnected Updates" http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html the original steering committee is listed.
;)
Okay that helps some.
Steering Committee was formed. The original steering committee was Richard Fish, Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Larry Galvan, Liz Hendricks, Dave Whetstone, Vic Donahey, Dave Sanchez, Chris Haag.
Perhaps some of them are still on the steering committee.
I guess I just didn't find it for lack of err.
Now for some more thinking, Thank you ever so much.
Quote from: Ross on May 17, 2011, 08:34:37 PM
Okay that helps some.
Steering Committee was formed. The original steering committee was Richard Fish, Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Larry Galvan, Liz Hendricks, Dave Whetstone, Vic Donahey, Dave Sanchez, Chris Haag.
Perhaps some of them are still on the steering committee.
I guess I just didn't find it for lack of err.
Now for some more thinking, Thank you ever so much.
The question remains: Are/were all of the steering committee members also lawfully admitted members of the LLC? Or were some just volunteers from outside the LLC? Maybe the shadow knows! :o
Merriam-Webster
Definition of STEERING COMMITTEE
: a managing or directing committee; specifically: a committee that determines the order in which business will be taken up in a United States legislative body
steering committeenoun
plural ∼ -tees
iam-Webster: a group of people who are in charge of managing or directing something
The list of people has apparently changed, a couple of people may have moved out of the area, even out of state.
I'll see what I can find out.
Well, I just received our local newspaper . And talk about twist in the news. I'm referring to The Elk County Commissioners meeting minutes. Some how the truth fails to reach the public.
The paper says, " L W. Ross voiced more complaints about Elk Konnected and the Wind Conversation held at Moline in March." I did not voice any complaints about that meeting, The only reference to that meeting by me was as I was about to take my seat and I said, "I am the person that was escorted from that meeting and that I should perhaps take my seat before I am told to leave this meeting." I was then told that they would not ask me to leave.
The paper says, "Ross also questioned Commissioner Hendricks about being acquainted with Terry Woodbury before Elk Konnected. Hendricks said she did not know Woodbury when they lived in the same town." This did not happen at all. I never once mentioned The name Terry Woodbury. I did state that I had called Leoti, Kansas to see what I could find out about Public Squares Community, LLC and the city told me they had never heard of them. I did state that County Commissioner Hendricks is listed on Public Squares Community, LLC's web site as a staff member. And to me it appeared she was really upset when she said, "I am now."
Now, I don't know if what is said in the paper is based on freedom of the press to use creative writing or based on the County Commissioners ability to manipulate what actually takes place at the meetings to defend each other. However, I do know that a tape recorder is used during the meeting, but I don't know if they erase the recordings. Perhaps they keep the recordings a few months and a person could go listen for them selves.
What actually happened was:
I made a read a statement from Elk Konnected that stated their goal was to pull all the communities together, yet on the other hand from a more recent statement they were knocking one of the communities for putting up such a fuss about getting out of the use of County Wide Refuse. Where upon County Commissioner Hendricks jumped to the defensive more as Elk Konnected, LLC and said, "We did not mean to be bashing Elk Falls." I said, but that's exactly what you did, what's the positive attitude about that? I also asked if the community was to do as Elk Konnected, LLC says or are they allowed to have their own city government and make their own decisions? I also asked her, What's next Elk Konnected going to tell us where we can shop, perhaps tell us we can only shop at Wal-Mart? County Wide Refuse is not a county controlled entity but a private company owned by local residents that I happen to like and I do use their services.
I then addressed the issue that Elk Konnected, LLC denies using Taxpayers dollars when again Commissioner Hendricks switched mode to Elk Konnected and said, We don't use taxpayers dollars." I said, wait a minute wasn't that person who was up here just before me asking for money for Elk Konnected Youth Services. Isn't that taxpayers money?" Where upon she repeated, "We don't use taxpayers dollars."
There were other people there that can attest to this versus what the paper said.
I believe, this sufficiently points out the conflict of interest of County Commissioners being involved in Elk Konnected, LLC. Since, I was there simply to make a statement not to have a discussion with Elk Konnected, LLC or the commissioners and it should have been properly recorded in the minutes of the meeting.
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community? It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose. Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?
Quote from: Wilma on May 19, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community? It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose. Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?
Wilma, I think the majority of the people would agree with you.
Absolutely, Wilma! This has gone on too long and everyone is getting very tired of it. It borders on harassment.
What about the individual rights and property rights of those who are paying the taxes on their property?
If they object to charity and organizations takiong their money thru government, you call that harrassment?
Shame on you.
Recently, I sent a copy of "Not Yours To Give" to a county employee in an adjacent county. This week I saw him and he
was telling me how he enjoyed Horatio Bunce confronting Colonel Davy Crockett. Bunce said, "It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle."
We need elected officials who will stand on the principles of the Constitution, not on their charitablle feelings to spend other people's money derived from the property taxes or other taxable means.
1425 posts ago, on Oct 16, 2008 this was the first post of redcliffsw:
QuoteWhy not level the playing field for everybody, including rich & poor, by prohibiting the Feds from giving out money?
You ever read "Not Yours To Give"? It's about Congressman David Crockett and how it ought to be. Some might know about it but so far, I have not seen it on the EK Forum. Excellent read.
You can google it or click here.
http://www.fee.org/library/books/notyours.asp
We get the point you are stating, you don't have to remind us every other day!
You don't get it?
Quote from: Wilma on May 19, 2011, 04:47:30 PM
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community? It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose. Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?
There is a lot about Elk Konnected, LLC that we don't know or understand.
But the issue is the denials which is a polite way of saying lying.
The second is not having a clear line between our elected officials and Elk Konnected, LLC. Therefore a major conflict of interest.
I haven't said they shouldn't ask but to deny receiving taxpayers dollars right after receiving money from the county commissioners, is a blatant lie in my way of thinking. How can you trust some one that will do that?
A lot of folks still seem to think they are Elk Konnected, LLC which is a privately owned company and they are not privileged enough to actually belong to it. They are simply volunteers and nothing else. They are simply used to make Elk Konnected, LLC look good.
They claim to have been organized before the wind farm got started. I don't buy that because of the insider information of the preplanning stage of the operation which could have taken as much as two years or more. That is further deception.
But, I also pointed out the deception of what transpired at the County Commissioners meeting either by the county commissioners or the newspaper in an attempt to protect either Liz Hendricks or Elk Konnected , LLC or both. I don't know which. Did you miss that? I don't like being bamboozled.
This is my opinion and you are quite welcome to your opinion.
Quote from: mayflower on May 19, 2011, 05:36:49 PM
Absolutely, Wilma! This has gone on too long and everyone is getting very tired of it. It borders on harassment.
Since when is a having a decent conversation or asking questions harassment. Or is it that the truth is harassment?
Since when do you have the authority to say a conversation has gone on to long? Do you own this forum? Is anyone forcing you to be notified that a response has been posted on this thread?
You choose to be a part of this thread just as everyone else that is on here does.
Ross,
You don't ask questions. You make unfounded accusations and insinuations, and phrase them as questions. You seem to operate on this principle:
Rule #1 Ross is always right.
Rule #2 If Ross is wrong, refer to Rule #1.
You say you are just asking questions, but what you are doing is declaring Liz and Elk Konnected guilty, and instead of actually having to prove the guilt, Liz and E.K. have to prove their innocence, and if they don't prove their innocence ithen you claim it proves their guilt. And even if Liz and E.K. do prove themselves innocent, they will still be guilty because Ross says so.
And earlier this evening you insinuated that three county commissioners and one county clerk have colluded to twist your words.
We're tired of hearing your accusations and insinuations. Prove what you assert, or move on already!
Quote from: flintauqua on May 19, 2011, 06:44:18 PM
Ross,
You don't ask questions. You make unfounded accusations and insinuations, and phrase them as questions. You seem to operate on this principle:
Rule #1 Ross is always right.
Rule #2 If Ross is wrong, refer to Rule #1.
You say you are just asking questions, but what you are doing is declaring Liz and Elk Konnected guilty, and instead of actually having to prove the guilt, Liz and E.K. have to prove their innocence, and if they don't prove their innocence ithen you claim it proves their guilt. And even if Liz and E.K. do prove themselves innocent, they will still be guilty because Ross says so.
And earlier this evening you insinuated that three county commissioners and one county clerk have colluded to twist your words.
We're tired of hearing your accusations and insinuations. Prove what you assert, or move on already!
No sir that's not true, you are in my opinion twisting the facts, but again you are entitled to your opinion.
You are not forced to read anything on this thread, are you???????
#1 And #2 tickle me, but that's not true either, that is an old but bad argument. It was originally written as a joke. But I am an honest person and that does fit.
You have the choice to move on if you so desire but I would never assume that have a right to tell you to do so. Or be so rude. Please yourself.
Ross - curiosity question -
What would you like to have happen?
When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.
What is your suggested resolution?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 19, 2011, 08:00:56 PM
Ross - curiosity question -
What would you like to have happen?
When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.
What is your suggested resolution?
I'm not writing a letter of complaint to a company am I? I am conversing and informing at least two other people on this forum.
But I do believe a I have made it clear I would like to see Elk Konnected be upfront and open and truthful. Why they even tried to tell me right here on this forum that I am a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which is not true at all. Is it that difficult to see the game they are playing?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 19, 2011, 08:00:56 PM
Ross - curiosity question -
What would you like to have happen?
When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.
What is your suggested resolution?
Deb, with all due respect, the same question could be asked of everyone who has participated in this thread. For myself, I would rather see a county commissioner resign from either one post or the other, so that there may never be a conflict of interest either evident nor implied. Personal gain should never be a possibility for a public servant, and the public served should never be discriminated against. Surely the oath of service included service to the people of Elk County?
Wilma, I know that you think the world of Liz, and can understand your defense of her. However I do think she has made a mistake in this matter. Sorry. :P
Ross: I am not saying I necessarily agree with your methods of questioning , however I do understand where you are sort of coming from:
You wish the results to be the same, but the methods of how the funds are distributed are questionable. That concern is reasonable. Unfortuately, by reading all 15,000 threads on this Elk Konnected LLC it boils down to "technicality".
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county. I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote.
You seem to continually bring up some letter of praise from this commisioner wrote as a 'pump our organization up' of which he/she belongs. Well, that reeks of a pompous action if it can actually be proven that he/she wrote it personally or from a proxy. Those are strong acusations.
How am I doing so far....or perhaps it is none of my business????? From an outsider viewpoint, some comments are the reasons this contry is breaking down.
I will not address the taxpayers dollars funding a corporation as it may be too convoluted or just an assumption. There needs to be more legwork and proof, other than supposition.
My .02 worth
Ready
Ready, I don't see it as taxpayer's dollars funding a corporation. I see it as an organization that is trying to do something good for the community, asking the county for a few dollars to help in that endeavor. This isn't the only organization that is asking the county for money. In the last two months two summer baseball organizations have asked for money and received it. I don't see the difference. Summer baseball can have money from the county coffers, but EKLLC can't?
six: you really need to fix those glasses on your avitar! ;D
QuoteReady, I don't see it as taxpayer's dollars funding a corporation. I see it as an organization that is trying to do something good for the community, asking the county for a few dollars to help in that endeavor. This isn't the only organization that is asking the county for money. In the last two months two summer baseball organizations have asked for money and received it. I don't see the difference. Summer baseball can have money from the county coffers, but EKLLC can't?
Perhaps it lies in the conflict of interest area.
I personally wish to follow the money trail and it's funneling chanells...however, I work full time.
I llove the ideas of the kids/elderly/un-taken-care-of population being supposrted by the community. Somethings need to be supported on their own, without the council. It all depends on if it is a field built or just uniforms.
It all boils down to what is more important...uniforms or a field, and how much money is there in the coffer. The commissioneers have to be
accountable to the constiuents. They are under a micrscope.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
Ross: I am not saying I necessarily agree with your methods of questioning , however I do understand where you are sort of coming from:
You wish the results to be the same, but the methods of how the funds are distributed are questionable. That concern is reasonable. Unfortuately, by reading all 15,000 threads on this Elk Konnected LLC it boils down to "technicality".
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county. I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote.
You seem to continually bring up some letter of praise from this commisioner wrote as a 'pump our organization up' of which he/she belongs. Well, that reeks of a pompous action if it can actually be proven that he/she wrote it personally or from a proxy. Those are strong acusations.
How am I doing so far....or perhaps it is none of my business????? From an outsider viewpoint, some comments are the reasons this contry is breaking down.
I will not address the taxpayers dollars funding a corporation as it may be too convoluted or just an assumption. There needs to be more legwork and proof, other than supposition.
My .02 worth
Ready
readyaimduck you are very good. The letter I am refering to was sent to a local publication I get that is related to my power company it is also published on the internet at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf . I would never make something like that up.
Our County Commissioner is also listed as a staff member of Public Square Community, LLC the company hired by Elk Konnected, LLC you may check it out at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/publications.htm simply click on the button that says "Our Staff".
As I have said several times I feel pretty certain that I am speaking directly to Elk Konnected, LLC right here on this forum. It would only make sense for them to monitor this forum as a source of the community's pulse.
Wilma:
Let me back up....it IS the taxpayers money that you are asking for.
If you pay Property tax and the Mil levy is set...x amount of dollars goes for "community/service" functions (whatever their word for it is)
so, in essence...your $.50 went for that ball team.. Is that what you wish? and if they raise the mil levee another 4 mile, then you will in turn help pay for that team, only at a higher rate.
Am I turning to mud?
QuoteAs I have said several times I feel pretty certain that I am speaking directly to Elk Konnected, LLC right here on this forum. It would only make sense for them to monitor this forum as a source of the community's pulse.
of course one might, Ross. As no one really speaks what they feel, unless they are on a forum!
Now, go downtown Howard, and you may just get ignored, or flat knuckled in the chin!
I am going to say this, and probably will get flack...it will be a knee jerk reaction, a yellow flag, and a shoot from the hip/lip from what I have read here:
Can you all say: " working the system?"
Those who can - benefit. Those who can't - do without and struggle. And I am with the do withouters only to show how you don't have to "work it honey. "
That being said - Most SE Counties, and I repeat Most counties are in a crunch. How do we fix it?
It's all about Politics. Now, how is that working out?
Over and Ready...going to bed! jeesh I am exhausted!
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 08:50:54 PM
of course one might, Ross. As no one really speaks what they feel, unless they are on a forum!
Now, go downtown Howard, and you may just get ignored, or flat knuckled in the chin!
I don't get it? Are you saying this is a Howard thing. I have been down town Howard and neither thing has happened.
Not everyone in Howard or the County support Elk Konnected. LLC. So I don't really understand your point.
As far a speaking my mind it has not been only on the forum, I have also went before the County Commissioners.
Even a County Commissioners Aunt spoke to them about the misuse of the County's web site by Elk Konnnected, LLC.
So I am not the only one to speak up.
readyaimduck have you had a chanc e to look at the links I posted? I for got to mention Elk Konnected, LLC's web site that shows our County Commissioner Using her title as Commissioner http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/ and the link that shows her as part of the steering committee http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php .
October 2007
For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT. This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past.
The evening started out with a free chili supper served by both FFA clubs from West Elk and Elk Valley High schools. Child care was provided by the same group, along with other high schoolers from both schools. They did a great job keeping the kids entertained so the parents could enjoy the conversations.
The first instructions we received from the conversation leader, Terry Woodbury, was that we have to start expelling all the negative thoughts and perceptions of the past. We also have to think like a COUNTY COMMUNITY, instead of each city. Because; if we don't work together, ALL the cities will fade away. Our second instructions were that we were not there to point out the problems or to point fingers... we were there to start thinking about SOLUTIONS.
Before the conversation, the steering committee sent out surveys to people from the county (and Severy). They were asked to rate their city and the county as a whole on 20 clues to building community. On a scale from 1 to 4 (1 = excellent), they were asked to rate statements like "Evidence of community pride: our community is a show place of care, attention, history, and heritage". The results of this survey were given out at the meeting. As an example, for the statement above, only 27% of the people rated Elk County has having Excellent or Good ratings (1 or 2). Individual cities were below 50%, actually below 40% (except Moline; they were at 58%). Of the 20 points, there were only 4 that 50% or more of the people ranked the county as being Excellent or Good. These points were 1) Strong support for education, 2) Strong presence of traditional institutions, 3) Acceptance of women leaders, and 4) Strong multi-generational family orientation (the leader was impressed with this last one, as not many counties he's worked with has ranked this one highly).
Our goals throughout the night were to take these 4 strengths of the county, and focus on the lower ranked points. We started working with people at our table. Then we grouped together by cities. Then we grouped together having at least one person from each city at the table. Some of the lower ranked points that we discussed were active econonmic development program (2nd to last); sound, well-maintained infrastructure (3rd to last); evidence of community pride (6th to last); and cooperative community spirit. We also talked about improving the youth quality of life, and how to get citizen engagement in some of the activities and events that already go on within the community.
The interesting thing about this conversation... we didn't leave with any action items or a need to go out and "save the county". Just our thoughts and the thoughts of others in the county. This will be a long-term investment of people power, time, and eventually money. Again, this was a FREE supper. Not even a "free-will donation". Just county neighbors getting together on a Friday night to look to the future of the county... and how we will have to work TOGETHER. YOU MISSED OUT.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 08:26:44 PM
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county. I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote.
Technically well put, other than recusal from such a vote would be more closely related to a legal expectation than a professional courtesy. When such votes continue on a range on similar issues or official negotiations give the appearance of resulting in potential personal gain or excessive influence of special interests then the lack of recusal may become evidence of a deeper problem. While conflict in the distribution of a few dollars to a recreational activity might be casually overlooked, the story may not end there.
Instructions from the leader...
All for the 'collective', I presume.
Lollipops included.
Perfectly acceptable to anyone who unwittingly or otherwise accepts the principles outlined in the Manifesto.
Downright worrisome to anyone who holds an allegiance to the precepts of the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution...or it should be.
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If our community was given $450K, what would you like done with the money....
« on: July 17, 2008, 03:04:57 pm »
Let's focus on something fun, positive, long lasting... If our community was given $450,000 a year for a period of 10 years, what would you like done with this money...Anything is possible....
How did $450k for ten years turn in to $675,000 for twenty. It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal. Or could it. Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.
Quote from: ADP on May 19, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal. Or could it. Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.
Sure it could have. Is that the whole story, or just the jacket advertisement? And you would be shocked at what the shadow knows.
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K." The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation. All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there. If this is anything but zero then all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner. If not what are we discussing?
How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.
Quote from: ADP on May 19, 2011, 10:31:01 PM
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K." The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation. All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there. If this is anything but zero then all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner. If not what are we discussing?
The IRS does not recognize LLCs as taxable entities. An LLC must elect to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sol proprietorship. Unless an LLC elects to be taxed as a corporation, there would be no form 1120. Are you saying that the LLC has made such an election? Or do you know for sure? And there are other elements here besides the direct personal financial gain of any single person. If you such a tax form existed and if the IRS would release it, I would be glad to review it. Since you seem to know about it, why don't you just scan it and post it here on the big ole world wide web. Be sure to include all the schedules (E,G & K would be especially helpful). Or you could start with the FEIN.
What are
you fishing for? Maybe you could phone the shadow.
Quote from: ADP on May 19, 2011, 10:31:01 PM
How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.
To what
corporate entity do you refer? Does the plot now thicken? Who said some private corporation was involved in any wind farm negtiations? Did you miss something?
Quote from: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:11:06 PM
The IRS does not recognize LLCs as taxable entities. An LLC must elect to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sol proprietorship. Unless an LLC elects to be taxed as a corporation, there would be no form 1120. Are you saying that the LLC has made such an election? Or do you know for sure? And there are other elements here besides the direct personal financial gain of any single person. If you such a tax form existed and if the IRS would release it, I would be glad to review it. Since you seem to know about it, why don't you just scan it and post it here on the big ole world wide web. Be sure to include all the schedules (E,G & K would be especially helpful). Or you could start with the FEIN.
What are you fishing for? Maybe you could phone the shadow.
To what corporate entity do you refer? Does the plot now thicken? Who said some private corporation was involved in any wind farm negtiations? Did you miss something?
Sorry I don't have a tax code in front of me only my corporate tax return. So if an organization formed as a llc has a different form number or line or schedule show us that one.
I have as much access to IRS forms of private and/or corporate entities as you do so why don't you scan it and post it.
How could I have a copy of any tax form for any organization that I am not a "legally recognized" member of.
I am a lowly volunteer that only answers my overlords. I just pick up trash and redistribute it. Wear t shirts. Kick soccer balls. Watch movies.
If you want the FEIN of the LLC. just go apply and get a job at the fitness center the FEIN will be on the W4. It will be on the W2 you get at the end of the year.
Cute change of identities, patrick. Cute. Though not likely to confuse anybody. LOL
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Quote from: ADP on May 19, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
Sorry I don't have a tax code in front of me only my corporate tax return. So if an organization formed as a llc has a different form number or line or schedule show us that one.
I have as much access to IRS forms of private and/or corporate entities as you do so why don't you scan it and post it.
How could I have a copy of any tax form for any organization that I am not a "legally recognized" member of.
I am a lowly volunteer that only answers my overlords. I just pick up trash and redistribute it. Wear t shirts. Kick soccer balls. Watch movies.
Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity. The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin': http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)
Care to share who those overlords are?
'Pick up trash and redistribute it'. Now that's an interesting choice of words.
Quote from: ADP on May 19, 2011, 11:28:52 PM
If you want the FEIN of the LLC. just go apply and get a job at the fitness center the FEIN will be on the W4. It will be on the W2 you get at the end of the year.
Are they hiring? And if I'm correct, you just indicated that the LLC operates the fitness center. Would that be a for profit operation, or are the membership fees (if any) being called donations to a non-profit? Never mind, that question was probably above the pay grade of a lowly volunteer.
Quote from: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:46:57 PM
Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity. The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin': http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)
Are they hiring? And if I'm correct, you just indicated that the LLC operates the fitness center. Would that be a for profit operation, or are the membership fees (if any) being called donations to a non-profit? Never mind, that question was probably above the pay grade of a lowly volunteer.
I am not indicating it I am stating it just like Many have done in the past 3000000posts. The ELK KONNECTED, LLC. rents,runs and operates the fitness center. Always has. Why is this so hard?
Quote from: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:46:57 PM
Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity. The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin': http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)
'Pick up trash and redistribute it'. Now that's an interesting choice of words.
It is a physics thing. Nothing can be destroyed just changed, reinvented in a different form. It is from a recycle t-shirt. Did you want one? Sorry I will dumb down my comments so you can get out of irs mode and back to esoteric extrapolations.
Did you notice how I used the
form from your quote and transfered that to
form of matter.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That was kind of fun.
I don't think you noticed the word runs between rents and operates. That was a pun. 'Cause it is a fitness center.
my best stuff is just wasted on you. I don't feel appreciated.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 19, 2011, 11:50:54 PM
I am not indicating it I am stating it just like Many have done in the past 3000000posts. The ELK KONNECTED, LLC. rents,runs and operates the fitness center. Always has. Why is this so hard?
3000000 is a bit of an exaggeration. How about answering questions for a change instead of deflecting? A question, by the way is a line ending with... never mind.
Quote from: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:57:01 PM
3000000 is a bit of an exaggeration. How about answering questions for a change instead of deflecting? A question, by the way is a line ending with... never mind.
I just did. You asked if the LLC ran the fitness center. I said yes. You started to tell me about questions ending with......I didn't get the rest.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 20, 2011, 12:01:23 AM
I just did. You asked if the LLC ran the fitness center. I said yes. You started to tell me about questions ending with......I didn't get the rest.
Notice that I made a statement. There was no question about who ran the center. Nice try.
Now, since you brought up tax forms and their relation to LLCs and compensation, and it's apparent that the discussion overwhelmed you to the point of childish distraction, perhaps the subject was more complex than you were prepared to examine in depth. Sorry for leading you in over your head. Sad, but not really shocking (pardon the pun). Have great tomorrow.
Quote from: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 10:08:04 PM
Instructions from the leader...
All for the 'collective', I presume.
Was this a star trek reference?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 19, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
October 2007
For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT. This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past.
The evening started out with a free chili supper served by both FFA clubs from West Elk and Elk Valley High schools. Child care was provided by the same group, along with other high schoolers from both schools. They did a great job keeping the kids entertained so the parents could enjoy the conversations.
The first instructions we received from the conversation leader, Terry Woodbury, was that we have to start expelling all the negative thoughts and perceptions of the past. We also have to think like a COUNTY COMMUNITY, instead of each city. Because; if we don't work together, ALL the cities will fade away. Our second instructions were that we were not there to point out the problems or to point fingers... we were there to start thinking about SOLUTIONS.
Before the conversation, the steering committee sent out surveys to people from the county (and Severy). They were asked to rate their city and the county as a whole on 20 clues to building community. On a scale from 1 to 4 (1 = excellent), they were asked to rate statements like "Evidence of community pride: our community is a show place of care, attention, history, and heritage". The results of this survey were given out at the meeting. As an example, for the statement above, only 27% of the people rated Elk County has having Excellent or Good ratings (1 or 2). Individual cities were below 50%, actually below 40% (except Moline; they were at 58%). Of the 20 points, there were only 4 that 50% or more of the people ranked the county as being Excellent or Good. These points were 1) Strong support for education, 2) Strong presence of traditional institutions, 3) Acceptance of women leaders, and 4) Strong multi-generational family orientation (the leader was impressed with this last one, as not many counties he's worked with has ranked this one highly).
Our goals throughout the night were to take these 4 strengths of the county, and focus on the lower ranked points. We started working with people at our table. Then we grouped together by cities. Then we grouped together having at least one person from each city at the table. Some of the lower ranked points that we discussed were active econonmic development program (2nd to last); sound, well-maintained infrastructure (3rd to last); evidence of community pride (6th to last); and cooperative community spirit. We also talked about improving the youth quality of life, and how to get citizen engagement in some of the activities and events that already go on within the community.
The interesting thing about this conversation... we didn't leave with any action items or a need to go out and "save the county". Just our thoughts and the thoughts of others in the county. This will be a long-term investment of people power, time, and eventually money. Again, this was a FREE supper. Not even a "free-will donation". Just county neighbors getting together on Friday night to look to the future of the county... and how we will have to work TOGETHER. YOU MISSED OUT.
Wow a letter from the past telling us we don't want to be like the past, simply amazing. Also it tells of the lollipops, a free baby sitter and free bowl of chilly all bought and paid for with taxpayers dollars, sweet how you get told you get free stuff when you actually pay for it. Yws there was a guy from Wichita County who was telling everyone from Elk County where to sit, who to talk with and what to talk about and even howw to think. The guy refered to as the LEADER in the letter above was the man from Wichita County. Excellent letter. Excellent Argument. Excellent post.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 19, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
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If our community was given $450K, what would you like done with the money....
« on: July 17, 2008, 03:04:57 pm »
Let's focus on something fun, positive, long lasting... If our community was given $450,000 a year for a period of 10 years, what would you like done with this money...Anything is possible....
How did $450k for ten years turn in to $675,000 for twenty. It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal. Or could it. Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.
Is that our community as in Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Steering Kommittee or as in Elk County Government which is suppose to, by the people, of the people, snd for the people??????????????????????
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 19, 2011, 10:31:01 PM
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K." The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation. All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there. If this is anything but zero then all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner. If not what are we discussing?
How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.
Really you have to ask, How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler. You should perhaps read your own post. I quote your post, 'October
2007[/b]For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT. This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past." I'm sure it took a some time for this steering committe to get together and develop a plan, but perhaps that happened years before --- we have no way of knowing do we?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 19, 2011, 11:55:41 PM
my best stuff is just wasted on you. I don't feel appreciated.
I appreciate you. You bring a great deal of humor to this thread. You Pat are a Riot.
Patriot, however is a veteran that has served his country and a stubborn ole fart like me that believes in "We the People".
"The Constitution", " God and Country". Not so much control by corporation.
Ok, the money that Elk Konnected went and asked for at the last meeting was for the hit, pitch, run contest. it was for balls for the contest. It was a kid that asked, if I am right. The kid is a member of Elk Konnect, so what. The money comes from the parks and recreation funds. The money in that fund is for different types of organizations around the county to use. That is where the money for the different ball clubs that asked for it came out of. So, what your telling me is, its only ok for that money to be spent on the different towns parks and different types of recreations???? I personally don't mind seeing my tax dollar go to an event like the hit, run, pitch contest. Did my girls participate?? NO!! We don't do summer ball at all because we are to busy with haying and things. But if my tax dollar is going towards it it really doesn't bother me. I think what you really want is a run down of where all the tax money is going. I personally am not happy that we still owe money on an ambulance and it needs fixed already. I feel that we need the ambulance, but now our county owes even more money than the ambulance cost. Shouldn't we be concerned about all the different aspects of where our tax dollar is going instead of worrying about Elk Konnected and slamming them at every turn. Oh, wait, your not slamming them, just questioning them. But your using a public forum to question them instead of writting a letter or calling the individuals that are the members. Don't tell me that you don't know who to question, as it has been stated time and time again names of individuals that are members. That would be like me sitting on here and stating different people around town that I support with my tax dollars through them receiving welfare. That just isn't right!!! I know I don't have to read this forum, but actually you all are getting kind of comical!! So, why not!! SAME QUESTIONS, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Ok, the money that Elk Konnected went and asked for at the last meeting was for the hit, pitch, run contest. it was for balls for the contest. It was a kid that asked, if I am right. The kid is a member of Elk Konnect, so what.
No problem with who asked for the taxpayers money at all.
The point was that right afterwards the Founding Member of Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner said, we don't use taxpayers dollars. Using kids as a tool as an argument in a discussion concerning adults is just terrible. Using kids in politics is just terrible in my opinion.
You said, "It was a kid that asked, if I am right." Maybe just maybe it was a kid that asked. Depending on the definition of a kid. If it was a kid, that kid was instructed by an adult form Elk Konnected, LLC. So what difference doe it make if it was a kid or not?
Therefore I repeat,
"No problem with who asked for the taxpayers money at all. The point was that right afterwards the Founding Member of Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner said, we don't use taxpayers dollars. "
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Shouldn't we be concerned about all the different aspects of where our tax dollar is going instead of worrying about Elk Konnected and slamming them at every turn.
Sorry that you can't see that this is about much more than a few dozen tax dollars and what kid asked for them. Maybe a re-read would help you see the deeper theme. And we should also be concerned about how our tax money is spent.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
Oh, wait, your not slamming them, just questioning them. But your using a public forum to question them instead of writting a letter or calling the individuals that are the members. Don't tell me that you don't know who to question, as it has been stated time and time again names of individuals that are members.
I'll bite, Lookatmeknow. Please recite all those names of the admitted member of the LLC that we've missed. Not volunteers, but names actually identified as admitted members. Oh, except Ross, because even though someone said his attendance at a 'conversation' made him a member, he's said thast he's not. I, for one, believe him on that.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 07:38:00 AM
I know I don't have to read this forum, but actually you all are getting kind of comical!! So, why not!! SAME QUESTIONS, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!
And still the same lack of answers, over and over and over. The same deflections, over and over and over. No, not comical, just obtuse and dishonest.
Looks like the ball team ought to raise its own money.
Using the government to take money from folks, then give their money to ball teams isn't the right thing to do.
Should the Commissioners believe the ball team is such a good organization/non-profit/investment, then they are free to donate their own personal money to the ball team. If you want to donate or give money to a ball team, then do it on yourself.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 20, 2011, 08:04:53 AM
Looks like the ball team ought to raise its own money.
Using the government to take money from folks, then give their money to ball teams isn't the right thing to do.
Should the Commissioners believe the ball team is such a good organization/non-profit/investment, then they are free to donate their own personal money to the ball team. If you want to donate or give money to a ball team, then do it on yourself.
Right you are. It's a pattern throughout the country... people accustomed to receiving 'free' tax money are all to willing to hand it out the same way, if they can. After all, it's not their money. Maybe it helps at the poles.
Gee, our daily "all government is evil" reminder from red; and it's barely 9 am. What no anarcho-capitalism propaganda from Lew Rockwell?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 20, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
Gee, our daily "all covernment is evil" reminder from red; and it's barely 9 am. What no anarcho-capitalism propaganda from Lew Rockwell?
LOL. Love it! The trains (of thought) run on a specific schedule in Red's ville. Of course, it could all be a deflection and she is really a commie, afterall 'red' is in her name.
Quote from: jerry wagner on May 20, 2011, 08:39:57 AM
LOL. Love it! The trains (of thought) run on a specific schedule in Red's ville. Of course, it could all be a deflection and she is really a commie, afterall 'red' is in her name.
Has anyone ever noticed how progressive socialists hammer people about personal attacks yet jump to that mode themselves at the drop of a hat?
Coulter is right. Liberalism is a mental disease. Much akin to the DSM-IV criteria for borderline personality disorder.
Quote from: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 08:50:02 AM
Has anyone ever noticed how progressive socialists hammer people about personal attacks yet jump to that mode themselves at the drop of a hat?
Coulter is right. Liberalism is a mental disease. Much akin to the DSM-IV criteria for borderline personality disorder.
It wasn't a personal attack. That is the only response I have come to expect from red, and she is entitled to do so. Also, the second part of the remark was a joke nothing more.
Quote from: jerry wagner on May 20, 2011, 08:54:21 AM
It wasn't a personal attack. That is the only response I have come to expect from red, and she is entitled to do so. Also, the second part of the remark was a joke nothing more.
Uh-huh.
Flint,
The Americans tossed out the Brithish rule and they establsihed a Constitution before there ever was a
LewRockwell.com. Why don't you want to stay with the Constitution? And why don't you donate to the ball team?
lets inject a little $100 million humor right here. Sort of. According to this organization nothing seems to matter after tomorrow, does it?
Apocalypse Weekend: Harold Camping Says the World Ends Saturday.
In a comfortable office, Bible placed firmly atop his lap, 89-year-old Harold Camping is preaching with utter certainty about the end of the world. "May 21, 2011, is the day of judgment," he says with conviction, in a YouTube video posted last year. "It is the day that ends all gospel salvation activity ... It is the most important day by a billion times than any other day the world has ever known." On that day, Camping estimates roughly 207 million people, or about 3% of the world's population, will be plucked from the earth. What will follow is five months of earthquakes and other calamities until the world officially ends on Oct. 21 of this year.
Like all who proselytize the end the world, Camping has spread his message using a small army of followers; in his case, they're supported by a substantial budget that by some estimates is more than $100 million. There have been stories in the media of families selling their homes, quitting their jobs and budgeting their finances such that by May 21 they will be left with nothing. After all, they won't need it, right?
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2072748,00.html#ixzz1MuDiEnpc
Good a day as any I guess. I will be spending the day over at Card Creek trying for some catfish. Hope I don't get plucked up during a fight with a 30 pounder.
Quote from: Humpy on May 20, 2011, 09:32:54 AM
Good a day as any I guess. I will be spending the day over at Card Creek trying for some catfish. Hope I don't get plucked up during a fight with a 30 pounder.
Good Choice. I may be working on tearing out some very old pasture fence and fence line brush for installing new fence. I plan to still be alive on Sunday. I just don't trust that $100 million organization's judgement.
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund. What do you suppose or where would you like that money to go?
Ross, as for what you are saying then you got one of your hundred questions answered. As for donating money and time, I run a business and I donate to alot of things. What do you donate to??? Does it matter really that the kids get money for ball?? I agree we need to really watch our pennies. I think that is why commissioner Ritz was questioning so much about getting the ambulance fixed and has been questioning alot of things. I've talked to him a few times about some things, maybe you should try talking to him about any issues that you might have. I have learned alot over my time, and it's so much easier to go to the person and ask the questions that I have with issue then to post on here the questions. Plus you might understand it better. I know he isn't an "admitted" member of Elk Konnect, but he might shed some light on your questions. I for one would just ask Liz, since you all have mentioned her name many times, as she would gladly talk nicely to you about any issue that you have. When we lived further on Killdeer by a hill and my oldest was just starting school, I went to her and asked if the county could put a school bus stop sign on both sides of the road. As the bus pulled out and cars were flying over the hill, I was afraid there might be an accident. You know what, we got them.
I think you all mean well on your questions, and you have every right to know the answers. I just don't think you realize how you come off as being rude and mean. I don't know many of you, don't know Ross or Red or Patriot, but it's your delivery on how you say things sometimes that put people off with you. Ross, I have to say from what you said about standing up at that meeting in Moline and how you got escorted out, I hate to say it, but if I was running the meeting I might have done the same thing. You didn't even let the meeting get started before you started in on them. I personally, would have sat for a bit and listened a bit then opened up. That's just me. yes, you have a right to your questions being answered, but to put it nicely think how you go about it before coming off as being rude.
Just a suggestion, as I am sure you are all laughing at my suggestions, I could really care less if you like me and don't know me. You have your own opinions and I respect that. I am so used to that kind of treatment that it doesn't really bother me. GOD, my family, and friends that know me, love me and that is all that matters.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund.
You are correct. It takes the approval of 2 commissioners to disperse money from the parks and recreation fund. The county clerk, treasurer, register of deeds and sheriff each manage their own budgets.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 10:01:49 AM
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund. What do you suppose or where would you like that money to go? You still miss the point, the denial, the lie, we don't use taxpayers dollars.
Ross, as for what you are saying then you got one of your hundred questions answered. As for donating money and time, I run a business and I donate to alot of things. "Good for you keep up the good work."What do you donate to???"That's personal, just as you kept who you donate to, to yourself, so will I." Does it matter really that the kids get money for ball??"No, it's the method of using kids and denial"I agree we need to really watch our pennies. I think that is why commissioner Ritz was questioning so much about getting the ambulance fixed and has been questioning alot of things. "Mr. Ritz is a fine person who I believe as the county's best interest at heart. I've talked to him a few times about some things, maybe you should try talking to him about any issues that you might have. I have learned alot over my time, and it's so much easier to go to the person and ask the questions that I have with issue then to post on here the questions. Plus you might understand it better. I know he isn't an "admitted" member of Elk Konnect, but he might shed some light on your questions. I for one would just ask Liz, since you all have mentioned her name many times, as she would gladly talk nicely to you about any issue that you have. When we lived further on Killdeer by a hill and my oldest was just starting school, I went to her and asked if the county could put a school bus stop sign on both sides of the road. As the bus pulled out and cars were flying over the hill, I was afraid there might be an accident. You know what, we got them. Again that is great and you were talking to her as a county commissioner, here we are addressing her as Elk Konnected, LLC on an open forum so she can tell the whole community in a conversation anything she or Elk Konnected, LLC would lbe willing to clarify. A community conversation much like the ones that Elk Konnected, LLC uses only without their total control.
I think you all mean well on your questions, and you have every right to know the answers. I just don't think you realize how you come off as being rude and mean. I don't know many of you, don't know Ross or Red or Patriot, but it's your delivery on how you say things sometimes that put people off with you. Ross, I have to say from what you said about standing up at that meeting It wasn't billed as a meeting but as a community conversation. in Moline and how you got escorted out, I hate to say it, but if I was running the meeting I might have done the same thing. You didn't even let the meeting get started before you started in on them. I personally, would have sat for a bit and listened a bit then opened up. That's just me. yes, you have a right to your questions being answered, but to put it nicely think how you go about it before coming off as being rude. They don't hold community conversations, they hold circuses with total control.
Just a suggestion, as I am sure you are all laughing at my suggestions,I am definitly not laughing at you, that would be very rude. I could really care less if you like me and don't know me.I have nothing at all to say bad a bout you, but I will say your input is welcome. You have your own opinions and I respect that. I am so used to that kind of treatmentThat's a shame. that it doesn't really bother me. GOD, my family, and friends that know me, love me and that is all that matters.Right on.
Well, your missing my point. I see you are addressing her as part of Elk Konnected, but I also feel, this is just my opinion, that she would rather not answer the questions on here. I believe that she would answer any questions that you have for her or anyone would. You are talking about Elk Konnected, and I just feel that if individuals want to know about it thats fine or groups, but it doesn't have to be on a public forum. That's my opinion, again. Its just like if I get on one of my daughters teachers facebook page and ask her a question about my child. She wouldn't want to put that information out there, it just isn't in the best interest. Not that Elk Konnect has anything to hide, I just feel that it's better addressed not so public.
As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting. I have also went to the school board one that they had about shutting down schools and the budget and there was only so much time allotted for the whole meeting, and you only got to speak if the person with the mic came to you. It was ok, but the community conversation is ran very smoothly, and much more conversing gets to go on. As for a circus, no to me it wasn't even close.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
Well, your missing my point. I see you are addressing her as part of Elk Konnected, but I also feel, this is just my opinion, that she would rather not answer the questions on here. I believe that she would answer any questions that you have for her or anyone would. You are talking about Elk Konnected, and I just feel that if individuals want to know about it thats fine or groups, but it doesn't have to be on a public forum. That's my opinion, again. Its just like if I get on one of my daughters teachers facebook page and ask her a question about my child. She wouldn't want to put that information out there, it just isn't in the best interest. Not that Elk Konnect has anything to hide, I just feel that it's better addressed not so public.
As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting. I have also went to the school board one that they had about shutting down schools and the budget and there was only so much time allotted for the whole meeting, and you only got to speak if the person with the mic came to you. It was ok, but the community conversation is ran very smoothly, and much more conversing gets to go on. As for a circus, no to me it wasn't even close.
No.I'm sorry I disagree. You see Elk Konnected, LLC uses several types of public forum to praise themselves including this forum. They claim to of people be there to improve the county and want input form the citizens of the county, Here they can address a lot people.
And again you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't plan to leave this thread to go behind closed doors. That is the old way and we are now in the 21sr Century and the digital age. They have spoke of doing away with the old guard what ever that means. I believe the old guard they refered to probably operated behind cloosed doors. Pretty Simple, huh?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 19, 2011, 08:00:56 PM
Ross - curiosity question -
What would you like to have happen?
When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.
What is your suggested resolution?
Responding again per your request.
I'm not writing a letter of complaint to a company am I? I am conversing and informing at least two other people on this forum.
But I do believe a I have made it clear I would like to see Elk Konnected be upfront and open and truthful. Why they even tried to tell me right here on this forum that I am a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which is not true at all. Is it that difficult to see the game they are playing?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 10:54:54 AM
As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting.
How is that? I believe Elk Konnected said they were not involved in the school closures!
Can you tell us about that conversation, some of what was said.
Thanks.
Charlie, where is that thread that was on here at the beginning of EKLCC. I know you posted a link to it but I can't remember where that was posted either. Perhaps now is the time to post it again and again and again until all concerned have read it.
And Ross, I am tired of this "but she said "We don't use tax money". What was the original question that this was the answer to? She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls. Or did she? Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"? Aren't you beginning to use a little harassment here? Perhaps with the whole thing? I think harassment is the continually making small scale attacks in order to wear down resistance. If MS. Hendricks doesn't want to answer your question on this forum, she has every right to stay silent. You continual harassment is not accomplishing your goal so why not change your tactics. Try a little courtesy and tact.
dang wilma, he has been tactful. He has been so polite, it's about to make me hurl. He's beat around the polite bush so much its worn a path around it. Personally i think he should call it as he sees it.
Steve, yer a-stirrin' agin aren't yah? ;D
Quote from: sixdogsmom on May 20, 2011, 07:57:02 PM
Steve, yer a-stirrin' agin aren't yah? ;D
What? ME STIRRIN?? nahhh.
Quote from: Wilma on May 20, 2011, 07:27:36 PM
Charlie, where is that thread that was on here at the beginning of EKLCC. I know you posted a link to it but I can't remember where that was posted either. Perhaps now is the time to post it again and again and again until all concerned have read it.
And Ross, I am tired of this "but she said "We don't use tax money". What was the original question that this was the answer to? She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls. Or did she? Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"? Aren't you beginning to use a little harassment here? Perhaps with the whole thing? I think harassment is the continually making small scale attacks in order to wear down resistance. If MS. Hendricks doesn't want to answer your question on this forum, she has every right to stay silent. You continual harassment is not accomplishing your goal so why not change your tactics. Try a little courtesy and tact.
No harrassment just the truth. And I have to keep repeating because someone asks the same thing over and over.
So here is the post again, from page 22 of this thread at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.210.html
Quote from the middle of page four of this thread, " I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php . If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.
I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?
I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide? "
The link for this quote is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html and be sure to go half way down the page.
Wait a minute, I for got to say that she said the money went directly to PSC, LLC and I said it doesn't matter how you twist it, it was still money for Elk Konnected, LLC to hire PSC, LLC.
You saked, " She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls. Or did she?" YES, Shelby Moore had talked to the County Commissioners just befor I did. She sounded like a very nice person.
You asked, "Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"?" Why on earth would she stand up? humble opinion.
I hope this helps.
OK, she didn't stand up. Did she say, "We don't use tax money"?
Quote from: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 07:45:23 AM
OK, she didn't stand up. Did she say, "We don't use tax money"?
According to the three eye witnesses I've spoken with, yes.
Did she say this at the last commissioner's meeting or a long time ago?
Quote from: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 10:41:48 AM
Did she say this at the last commissioner's meeting or a long time ago?
Elk County commissioners meeting April 25, 2011.
So you are harassing her?
Quote from: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 12:55:23 PM
So you are harassing her?
Are you harassing him?
Quote from: Ross on May 21, 2011, 01:06:58 PM
That is truely a strange question to ask. The answer is no.
You ma'am I believe you politely asked, and I politely responded.
Where is any harrassment in being polite? That truely is a strange question for you to ask.
You should know all about strange questions. I think you have the market cornered. The Rossopoly of inquirey.
Quote from: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 12:55:23 PM
So you are harassing her?
That is truely a strange question to ask. The answer is no.
I was addressing the County Commissioners not Elk Konnected, LLC.
The County Commissioner during the County Commissioner's meeting switched to Elk Konnected, LLC.
You ma'am, I believe you politely asked, and I politely responded.
Where is any harrassment in being polite? That truely is a strange question for you to ask.
It just seems that you are continually talking about this one particular question that you asked and she didn't answer to your satisfaction.
Quote from: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 03:04:19 PM
It just seems that you are continually talking about this one particular question that you asked and she didn't answer to your satisfaction.
So what? You asked it this time?
Are you telling me you are the conversation police on this forum?
What?
I could be if that is what you want. I am not much of a conversationalist but neither are you.
Hey Patriot,
I guess I'm a little slow on learning all this but I think, I just figured out who that guy David Whetstone is.
You know the guy listed on the Elk Konnected, LLC web site just below Liz Perkins name.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he a Perkins too?
It sounds like a family affair.
Hope you are enjoying this weather, I finally got some rain on my property which was really nice.
Ross, that's Dr. David Whetstone and he is hardly just some guy. I know you have your questions, but it's starting to sound as if it's personal between you and anyone named Perkins. I do hope I am wrong. ??? I'd be happy to send you some rain if I could. Right now we have more than enough to share.
I'm thinking that Ross does not like socialism. Nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2011, 08:28:16 AM
Ross, that's Dr. David Whetstone and he is hardly just some guy. I know you have your questions, but it's starting to sound as if it's personal between you and anyone named Perkins. I do hope I am wrong. ??? I'd be happy to send you some rain if I could. Right now we have more than enough to share.
No, I'm sorry you think that way.
But I'm just rying to understand Elk kOnnected, LLC, I sure hope that doesn't bother you.
The rain was a God send, my property has been that dry. I have often said we live in a bubble because I have watched the radar on www.wunderground.com weather radar. The storms would be coming straight at us out of the south west and then split just before reaching us and go to the north and sout of us and then come back together. It's really weird. But I'm not com;plaining because the sever stuff goes around us when that happens. Have a great Sunday, it's beautiful here.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 22, 2011, 08:39:54 AM
I'm thinking that Ross does not like socialism. Nothing wrong with that.
I think it might be called Howard Social Engeenering, I might be wrong.
Oh, but am I being to polite?
Quote from: Ross on May 22, 2011, 08:17:28 AM
I guess I'm a little slow on learning all this but I think, I just figured out who that guy David Whetstone is.
You know the guy listed on the Elk Konnected, LLC web site just below Liz Perkins name.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he a Perkins too?
It sounds like a family affair.
Hope you are enjoying this weather, I finally got some rain on my property which was really nice.
Dr. David Whetstone, DVM
Associate Veterinarian
Countryside Pet Clinic
Andover, KS
Chair. Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine
Yes, the rain was very helpful, but I'd take tad more.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 21, 2011, 01:21:33 PM
You should know all about strange questions. I think you have the market cornered. The Rossopoly of inquirey.
That sounds just like another Perkins defense and I wounder why" When I am asking about Elk konnected, LLC and not about the Perkins?
Why are you so defensive?
I just read the following from an Experienced Non-Profit Finance Specialist:
In the US and many other nations, a non-profit organization is required to have a governing body, a Board of Directors (BOD). This requirement is universal. It is the governing board that is ultimately responsible for any and all actions of the entity. Many Board's elect to hire staff to perform certain duties, but in the end, all responsibility rests with the governing body, as that governing body is the organization.
Since there doesn't appear to be a board of directors with Elk Konnected, LLC, and they state they are partnered with Elk County Community and Education Foundation at PO Box 956, Howard, KS 67349 would anyone care to tell us if their board of directors is also the Elk Konnected, LLC's Board of Directors?
Is it too difficult for an organization that says they are our organization to open up to the publis?
Just an information tidbit.
How to Form a Board of Directors
By an eHow Contributor
Whether you've just formed a nonprofit or incorporated your business,
you're required by law to have a board of directors as your governing
body. A board's structure and personality varies widely: Do you want
a hands-on working board, or big names that lend credibility to fundraising?
Hold casual or by-the-book meetings? The task is to recruit
a board that works well with your organization's style and mission.
Instructions
1 Specify the board's rules of operation in the corporate bylaws. This document details items such as the number of board members, length of terms, officer positions and meeting conduct.
2 Determine the desired skill set before you begin recruiting. If your corporation lacks financial savvy, recruit an accountant. Plagued by personnel problems? A human resources specialist would make a good addition. Gather a well-rounded board that works effectively toward your organization's goals. See 374 Sharpen the Focus of an Organization.
3 Invite board candidates to the next meeting and see if there is a good fit in person as well as on paper. This also enables candidates to ask questions of the board and confirm their commitment.
4 Ensure that the board stays on track by clarifying its responsibilities. These generally include defining the organization's mission, selecting and evaluating an executive officer, raising funds, and enhancing the organization's public image. Boards are typically required to record minutes of meetings and keep them on file.
5 Establish committees when issues become too complex or numerous for the entire board to handle effectively. Divide-andconquer strategies can make better use of members' time and expertise. Have at least two members--this can include staff and volunteers--on each committee.
Read more: How to Form a Board of Directors | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_138781_form-board-directors.html#ixzz1N5vqx2Hu
Quote from: Patriot on May 22, 2011, 08:54:35 AM
Dr. David Whetstone, DVM
Associate Veterinarian
Countryside Pet Clinic
Andover, KS
Chair. Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine
Yes, the rain was very helpful, but I'd take tad more.
Let this saok in a bit so the ground can absorb more. We have slight chances each day for awhile, gradually improving chances every day. Looks like my pasture grass is growingg now, it needed that rain pretty bad. I thought it was going to have to rely on the morning dew.
Quote from: Ross on May 22, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
That sounds just like another Perkins defense and I wounder why" When I am asking about Elk konnected, LLC and not about the Perkins?
Why are you so defensive?
. Dear anyone not Loss,
Since You only need to have a defense for an offense it was not therefore defensive. You have the issue with elk konnected. The structure of elk konnected is such that evey "member "has as their option to be active or not. If you look at the vision retreat attendees you will see that most have moved, quit or are not active. What you should be concerned with is that every town has had and will continue to have active participating members from every community. Active residents from Longton and Grenola and Severy have been to each event. Since it is a communist and socialist structure as you have discribed it there is no controlling Perkins mafia overlord like you wish there to for you to uncover. The biggest financial supporter to date has been the state of Kansas. Unless you count fifty dollar gifts from elk county citizens that do not support trying to survive with working with others ans a whole. One of the biggest nonfinancial supporters of the creation of elk konnected was Larry Galvan of CQ county. He has no kids in elk county schools,is not a relative to any Perkins, doesn't have a business in town, doesn't have millions coming to him from wind leases, worked with saint like vigor with the boy scouts, supports every local event and wanted the communities to work together. Why would elk konnected get support from Grenola, Elk Falls, Severy and Longton area citizens if elk konnected was trying to harm, dissolve, or assert unwarrented influence to all other county towns just to better Howard... Elk konnected is not a Howard entity. During the west elk school community conservations we hosted the meetings attended by the entire area. The meetings were not held to push an agenda. They were held to promote inquiry, conservation, and cooperation. The bond issue was not defeated because of elk konnected nor would it have been pass because of elk konnected. The wind farm did not come here out of a elk konnected discussion. The payment of pilot money was not made available because of elk konnected. The goal and purpose of the wind farm conversation was just that a conversation. The discussion on county budgets happens every year and will again for the next twenty years by the county commissioners. Maybe because you are wrong in all your assumptions you go to redundant questioning for no apparent gain. You still question the integrity of the organization that is only goal is to better the community that you choose to live in. You are not arguing the process or even the outcomes you are asking for who started the pony express and why.
I think you wounder not wonder because you would rather deface messenger not the message. Maybe you are wounded. Injured in some way by six communities communicaing that now you lower yourself to searching out every member trying to see what they have to gain by this the evil cluster of cerebrum. Are you going to post resume's also? This free defamation is going to make you very popular. If someone gets employed over the deal then are you going to take the credit for that? Do you get a head hunters fee? I would challenge you to post my name, place of business, unemployment status, and resume.
The message is clear the area communities must work together or die.
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Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
. Dear anyone not Loss,
Just a side note.. that's a really weird, if not incoherent, salutation
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
The structure of elk konnected is such that evey "member "has as their option to be active or not.
Could you please post the organizational agreement approved by the LLC showing that to be the case?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
If you look at the vision retreat attendees you will see that most have moved, quit or are not active. What you should be concerned with is that every town has had and will continue to have active participating members from every community.
Retreat attendees or not. Active or not active. Does not settle the original inquiry about admitted membership according to Kansas statutes.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Since it is a communist and socialist structure as you have discribed it there is no controlling Perkins mafia overlord like you wish there to for you to uncover.
Do you wish to rephrase your apparent agreement here that there is a communist and socialist structure or ideology of some kind involved?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
The biggest financial supporter to date has been the state of Kansas.
Or stated otherwise (and more accurately): The taxpayers of Kansas.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
One of the biggest nonfinancial supporters of the creation of elk konnected was Larry Galvan of CQ county....
Really irrelevant to the inquiries made regarding taxpayer support, business structure and public official/employee involvement in the LLC and its' activities.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Why would elk konnected get support from Grenola, Elk Falls, Severy and Longton area citizens if elk konnected was trying to harm, dissolve, or assert unwarrented influence to all other county towns just to better Howard...
Without transparent access to the private agenda of the LLC, that question can't be answered.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Elk konnected is not a Howard entity.
No, it's a Limited liability company charted by the Kansas Secretary of State and organized in accordance with Kansas Statutes Annotated. I don't believe Howard city has a business licensing ordinance. But even if it does, the address of record for the LLC is rural,I believe.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
The wind farm did not come here out of a elk konnected discussion. The payment of pilot money was not made available because of elk konnected.
How, exactly, did the wind farm come to Elk County? Who participated in the negotiations to bring it here and establish its' overall placement? Who negotiated the PILOT agreement?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
Maybe because you are wrong in all your assumptions you go to redundant questioning for no apparent gain.
Or perhaps deflective, non responsive and obtuse answers have necessitated restatement of what have been valid questions from the start.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
You still question the integrity of the organization that is only goal is to better the community that you choose to live in. You are not arguing the process or even the outcomes you are asking for who started the pony express and why.
Perhaps deflective, non responsive and obtuse answers begin to reflect on the integrity, transparency and true nature of the organization... in spite of its' 'positive' public involvement in kids sports, after school movies and trash cleanup activities.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
I think you wounder not wonder because you would rather deface messenger not the message. Maybe you are wounded. Injured in some way by six communities communicaing that now you lower yourself to searching out every member trying to see what they have to gain by this the evil cluster of cerebrum. Are you going to post resume's also? This free defamation is going to make you very popular. If someone gets employed over the deal then are you going to take the credit for that? Do you get a head hunters fee?
What was that about defamation? Are you asking those last two questions of 'anyone but Loss'? And who is Loss by the way?
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
I would challenge you to post my name, place of business, unemployment status, and resume.
If you think that's relevant to the questions presented, feel free to post it yourself. But why the challenge? If I find that information posted publicly, as I have others, I suppose I could post it here.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 22, 2011, 03:39:40 PM
The message is clear the area communities must work together or die.
On that, we agree. Our differences are in how that is accomplished and by whom it's facilitated.
Is all that uproar because they don't have an actual organization?
I really didn't intend to upset anyone, just wondering if this is the "ONE" to save us.
Is it prehaps because Elk County Community & Educational Foundation is the actual organization?
After all doesn't Elk County Community & Educational Foundation have a board of governors and Elk Konnected, LLC says they have partnered with them. Also Elk Konnected, LLC says Elk County Community & Educational Foundation handles their money.
And Elk Konnected, LLC says Elk County Community & Educational Foundation donates money to Elk County Community & Educational Foundation. Isn't that sorta like Elk Konnected, LLC writing that letter praising themselves.
If all of Elk Couty supports this why isn't there a whole lot mor people .show up when Elk Konnected says show up. One or two hundred shows to me to be a lack of consensus of Elk County as a whole. One or two people from each community is also not a consensus of that community, now is it?
I just find it all kind of extraordinary. I am in awe by all of it
Especially in awe that an Elk Konnected, LLC supporter should be so disturbed by a few questions.
Again, I will state this: Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here. I know this for a fact. Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard, and sure it's probably the same at Longton, the same parents are there for almost everything, the same parents donate time, energy, and money for their children. The same is true with Elk Konnect, LLC, or any organization in Elk County. If people see that you will help, they tend to ask you to help, if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer.
As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up. They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 09:23:59 AM
Again, I will state this: Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here. I know this for a fact. Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard, and sure it's probably the same at Longton, the same parents are there for almost everything, the same parents donate time, energy, and money for their children. The same is true with Elk Konnect, LLC, or any organization in Elk County. If people see that you will help, they tend to ask you to help, if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer.
As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up. They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!
You said, "Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here." No one has questioned that at all. But the truth is there are those involved that do not live in Elk County, and that's a fact. But is really of no concern right now.
You said, "Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard." First the school is not in Howard, the Howard city limits have not been moved yet. I am one of those parents that help with school stuff. The parents of students have always been helpful with school parties and events for years without the interference of Elk Konnected, LLC. So no credit there for Elk Konnected, LLC is there?
You said," if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer." Really is asking questions complaining? Is wanting to learn and know, about Elk Konnected, LLC complaining? You know, I received a complaint on here that I am too polite.
You said, "As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up." Don't you mean that Public Squares Community, LLC ran the meeting. Did it consist of the same control method of the circle of chairs, and don't sit with your friends, and don't sit with your spouse? Don't sit with your spouse, I find that demeaning, Elk Konnected, doesn't believe I and my wife are capable of working together. What happened to their belief in strong families. That is just a means of divide and conquer. I will repeat nobody comes between me and my wife, nobody.
You said, "They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!" Apparently it was not very productive and they didn't listen or they only had Elk Konnected, LLC people. Otherwise all the school money would not have been wasted having plans drawn up and waste of money on a bond election would not have been necessary. The county voted a Resounding "NO!", while Howard on the other hand voted, what 66% for it. That just seems to speak volumes of Elk Connected.
You said, "Plus, met new people!!" I don't need an organization to met new people, but if that is your nee more power to you. Be Happy.
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be interested and involved? May I ask why?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be interested and involved? May I ask why?
Diane, I wish you could just see the control by lollipops, and that Elk Konnected represents very few of the counties citizens. Why do you think they avoid answering questions and avoid being transparent? They would lose the control they appear to be pursuing, that's why? I don't know what their goal is, but they have spoke of the old guard and how it never accomplished anything. But you know what? I think Elk Konnected, LLC is the old guard with a new face.
If you were to study Public Square Community, LLC's web site I think you might come to the same conclusions. But again I must repeat this is just my opinion. And will remain so until there is a bunch of questions answered and there is transparency with in Elk Konnected, LLC. I am not a lemming, it's that simple.
You said, "Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?" Why do the county commissioners need a privately owned business to hold meetings for them? Especially on that has a commissioner proud to be a founding member of that organization. Why do we need the County Commissioners or County Government if we have a private organization running things. Refering to the list on page one of this thread, "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)" what's next? Do away with Elected County Commissioners and County Government and let Elk Konnected, LLC run everything, because they hand out lollipops? I know they deny any responsibility for the list but, "The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories. Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:". It's the citizens that made the decisions. What citizens? Who were they? Why are they hiding? Everyone from Elk Konnected, LLC seems to be hiding? They say they are only suggestions, really. Where do actions come from, ideas and suggestions.
Do you find any problem with me trying to be polite as others have on this thread?
I don't really have any answers, just questions? Who? What? Where? When? Why? And How? Perhaps you can help ask the questions and do a better job than I can. After all I was recently told on this thread I am a poor conversationalist. Your help would be appreciated.
Ross, you are still relatively new here and haven't been the target of some really nasty verbiage that some of us have. I understand why some are very cautious with you. They are not used to someone who can debate without rolling around in the gutter. I personally have been smeared any number of times to the point that it was suggested that my husband should beat me up and I should have my hand slammed in a door for having a difference of opinion.
No, you have not been rude to me, but everyone has to decide for themselves what is offensive. As far as asking questions, I wouldn't know where to start. I haven't seen any "bread and circuses" except for the usual hot dogs and " bean feeds" (to me that's a really funny name) that happen every year and are sponsored by the same people every year. Sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog. Perhaps that makes me an old foolish lady. I tend to assume people are good and honest until something bad happens, which it rarely does. I'm afraid some of those who did stand up to help are feeling very threatened now and don't know how to handle it. The small but active groups that make projects go in any small community aren't used to feeling unappreciated. Especially the volunteers. As far as not representing many people...there aren't many people, period. Can't that also be said of turnouts when the politicians come to town? People don't show up,even though they could and should? That's just they way many people are. Don't bother them unless it's personal .
Quote from Ross: "The six categories and order of priority are:. "It's the citizen's that made the decisions. What citizens? Who are they? Why are they hiding?"
"What citizens," indeed. You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church. Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens. "Who are they?" Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years. "Why are they hiding?" Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered. You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear. Selective hearing, I believe.
I don't believe in physical or verbal abuse and especially when it comes to women and children.
e food is good. We have a terrific yearly hog feed coming up and I go every year. It's the same small group that does it very year to raise funds. Each community has something going onby their own little groups and that is the greatest diversity in Elk County. The visiting with people is fun and the food is good. They don't go around writing letters of praise to themselves and I do believe each one of them knows they are appreciated by the attendance of people from through out the community.
You said, " As far as not representing many people...there aren't many people, period. Can't that also be said of turnouts when the politicians come to town? " We would have to assume that Elk Konnected, LLC is an elected or politically appointed organization to apply the same assumptions to a governing process not just visiting politicians. But you knoe I have been to two of those type meetings with visiting politicians and never heard a straight answer to anyones questions or concerns. You are right there are not many people but to say you represent the people of the community as a private company, well couldn't that be considered false advertising when you don't represent the majority. The company won't even name 100 members of Elk Konnected, LLC. out of a population of 3000. And no body accepts reponsibilty as a registered member for anything Elk Konnected, LLC does.
Quote from: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from Ross: "The six categories and order of priority are:. "It's the citizen's that made the decisions. What citizens? Who are they? Why are they hiding?"
"What citizens," indeed. You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church. Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens. "Who are they?" Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years. "Why are they hiding?" Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered. You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear. Selective hearing, I believe.
o own up to it.
That is just saying people are people? I can't accept that as an answer. Try names of registered members? What's difficult about that? If they really want to be the ones that save Elk County I would think they would be proud to own up to it. We can all use a few hero's, and give them the credit they are due.
I have to say words just get twisted every which way!! No, I guess your right about the school, it's not in Howard. But you know what I meant, not Longton school. Is that better?
I'm sorry Ross your not getting the direct information that you want. But by saying that Elk Konnect hands out lolly pops or whatever, is kind of rude to us people that added meetings that they have held. I went to the meeting to get information that was out there, to find out others opinions, and to discuss my concerns. Isn't that why we go to meetings? As for not sitting by my husband, well it's nice to talk to other adults, too. I love my husband, but I can discuss my concerns with him at home and he will me at home.
As for why the school bond didn't pass, its because it didn't. Yes, I voted for it. Why? Not to close the other schools, but to put money into a permenant place for my children to go to school not portables. I don't mind the portables at all, but to me they are a waste of money that could have been put into permanent classrooms. But that's my opinion. And no Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the school bond losing or it even being brought up. Money had all to do with it!!
Amazing. Absolutely amazing. This thread has been running for almost a month, and the answers to a dozen or so questions are still not forthcoming. Questions that have been posed clearly and directly as well as by gentle inference. Questions that are neither difficult nor out of line considering that they generally involve the actions and involvements of government and or government officials in our lives.
Yet even so, responses have ranged from 1) assaults on the identities and place of residence of the questioners to; 2) responses displaying complete ignorance of basic business structures and no concept of acceptable ethics in government to; 3) exhaustive diatribes attempting to deflect the discussion away from the original questions into arenas of work done by volunteers to; 4) totally irrelevant personality contests.
Why? Why is it so difficult for a community of people to see that simple questions are just that... simple questions? We've heard that an LLC isn't really an LLC, even when records from the State of Kansas has been proffered as proof. We've been told that EK has not taken government (taxpayer) money, when even their own newspaper prose and web presences indicate otherwise. We've been told that these questions are somehow a personal attack on one individual, when in fact that feedback is solely a diversion from questions that any public official should not fear, unless they have something to hide.
At every turn, we've been reminded of the great things the private LLC is accomplishing through adult and youth volunteers though none of those things have been proven to be in any way capable of growing Elk County in any significant way (economically or otherwise). We've been rebuffed with volumes of hyperbole at the suggestion that a government official is (or was) at the founding core of a privately owned company that markets itself as soliciting community development input when such solicitation is the job of those who have been elected by the people and not some privately held company or outside consultant. When the suggestion is made that such relationship smacks of collusion and conflict, the response seems to be that the ends justifies the means. We've been told to ask our questions of the owners of the LLC, when it should be obvious that we don't have a clue as to who those members are. Even Wilma, bless her heart, in her last post continues to present non answers as answers.
Could it be perhaps that this same ignorance of fact and willingness to accept & defend the status quo are really at the root of Elk County's weakening stance? Have the citizens of Elk become so sheep like that they can be easily led in spite of seeing realistic questions that would have made their ancestors sit up and take serious notice? Have our residents reached the point of being so accustomed to a daily dose of rhetorical pablum that they can no longer assimilate meat? Or is the answer that simple questions don't deserve direct answers?
1. Who is/are the originally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
2. Who are the currently admitted members of the LLC?
3. Is the LLC being taxed as a non profit or otherwise?
4. How much taxpayer money has the LLC received either directly or through its' volunteer representatives?
5. To what use has that money been placed?
6. Why is the LLC acting as a de facto agent of the county commission to solicit public input on the usage of government revenues?
7. Why would a commissioner say he "didn't want to listen to public bitching" when asked about getting public input from open government forums?
8. Who negotiated for the county on the solicitation and placement of the Caney River Wind Project?
9. What, if any, involvement did Elk Konnected, LLC (or any predecessor organization) have in solicitation of the Caney River project?
10. What is Elk Konnected's long range plan for the development of Elk County & how will that development be accomplished?
11. Why the lack of transparency of the formal structure of Elk Konected, LLC?
There's a summary of several of the questions asked. It has been 600+ hours. Are the real answers forthcoming? Or shall we spend another month asking?
Quote from: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
Quote from Ross: "The six categories and order of priority are:. "It's the citizen's that made the decisions. What citizens? Who are they? Why are they hiding?"
"What citizens," indeed. You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church. Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens. "Who are they?" Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years. "Why are they hiding?" Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered. You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear. Selective hearing, I believe.
Well said Wilma. I think Ross just wants some attention, maybe he wants to run for a political office, GOD forbid that. He is always making petty little remarks about the Perkins family, the Perkins Family have always worked hard for youth and community programs. They have been long time sucessful Ranchers, State Representative, business people on main street and have worked hard for the fair, 4-H and many other programs.
If Ross wanted answers to the questions that he repeats over and over he should go to the meetings where these questions could be addressed, the Elk County Forum is not the place, the answers shouldn't and won't be answered here. Why don't all of you quit even responding to his posts, totally ignore them, at least he wouldn't have the opportunity to just keep posting the same nothings over and over. Try it, everyone that is tired of it, just don't answer his posts.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 02:04:25 PM
I have to say words just get twisted every which way!! No, I guess your right about the school, it's not in Howard. But you know what I meant, not Longton school. Is that better?
I'm sorry Ross your not getting the direct information that you want. But by saying that Elk Konnect hands out lolly pops or whatever, is kind of rude to us people that added meetings that they have held. I went to the meeting to get information that was out there, to find out others opinions, and to discuss my concerns. Isn't that why we go to meetings? As for not sitting by my husband, well it's nice to talk to other adults, too. I love my husband, but I can discuss my concerns with him at home and he will me at home.
As for why the school bond didn't pass, its because it didn't. Yes, I voted for it. Why? Not to close the other schools, but to put money into a permenant place for my children to go to school not portables. I don't mind the portables at all, but to me they are a waste of money that could have been put into permanent classrooms. But that's my opinion. And no Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the school bond losing or it even being brought up. Money had all to do with it!!
You may opt to allow who ever you want to seperate you and your spouse. I and my spouse have a strong marriage and won't permit it. But even Elk Konnected, LLC says they are for strong family's who ever they are.
I'm not the least bit interested in what or who you or anyone else votes for, that is personal and private information.
I was jus saying the meeting Elk Konnected, LLC had for the school issue proved to be non-productive or it would have prevented the waste of all that money for drawings and voting. And there could have been repairs to the Moline school at considerably less cost, since part of the roof was still under warranty. There is an alternative to the portable buildings. Move the school superintendent to his principals office in the high school and remodel the District Office into a grade school. The district office can be right there in the high school.
But hey, that's getting off subject. Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 23, 2011, 02:11:39 PM
Well said Wilma. I think Ross just wants some attention, maybe he wants to run for a political office, GOD forbid that. He is always making petty little remarks about the Perkins family, the Perkins Family have always worked hard for youth and community programs. They have been long time sucessful Ranchers, State Representative, business people on main street and have worked hard for the fair, 4-H and many other programs.
God bless em for it!
Now, why is Elk County near $1 million in debt on $2.4 million (give or take) in revenues? Why have we been losing population like an eroding river bank for the last 10+ years? Why do we see no business growth and new job opportunity here? It seems that for all the efforts of a few successful, high profile folks, their efforts to grow this county have been a miserable failure. Unless you count the 3 to 6 new long term jobs that the wind farm will produce. Oh wait, they had little to do with the solicitation & placement of that wind farm, or so we've been told. Why do we pay among the highest, if not the highest, property taxes in Kansas. Why is it 2011 and we still have residents hauling water to their farms? Or is that crap Ross' fault too?
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 23, 2011, 02:11:39 PM
If Ross wanted answers to the questions that he repeats over and over he should go to the meetings where these questions could be addressed, the Elk County Forum is not the place, the answers shouldn't and won't be answered here. Why don't all of you quit even responding to his posts, totally ignore them, at least he wouldn't have the opportunity to just keep posting the same nothings over and over. Try it, everyone that is tired of it, just don't answer his posts.
I do believe he tried. Maybe it's residents having listened to status quo supporters like you for years that provides answers to my questions above.
You go Patriot. Good job.
Quote from: Ross on May 23, 2011, 02:43:45 PM
You go Patriot. Good job.
Much appreciated, but I need no accolades... I think I've figured out who the
real "old guard" in this battle actually is! A clue.. it
isn't the wise leaders in Elk Falls who decided to make good use of their taxpayer's money. It may be those who mooch grant money and free hot dogs under the guise of community enhancement and cheer the lollipop vendors. Heck, it may be the lollipop vendors as well.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2011, 11:21:50 AM
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be interested and involved? May I ask why?
I would have taken high offense of being forced to separate from my spouse if i had one. This is a Known tactic since spouses tend to be like minded in most things to separate them so that they can get a different result or to water down the group that they are in. If i had a wife, No one, would come between us in any way whatsoever. IF they tried, that would be declaring war.
QuoteThis is a Known tactic since spouses tend to be like minded in most things to separate them so that they can get a different result or to water down the group that they are in. If i had a wife, No one, would come between us in any way whatsoever. IF they tried, that would be declaring war.
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
as for it been goin for a month and no answers yet....most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on instead of beatin a dead horse figurin it'll get up :P the flies are swarmin fellas....and it's startin to stink...dont think it's gettin up any time soon.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
I doubt you would stand still for being told you
couldn't sit with them if you chose to either. Just doesn't seem to be you.. being ordered around by a stranger and such. You seem more like one to be allowed to sit wherever you damned well please. Am I wrong?
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 03:51:41 PM
I doubt you would stand still for being told you couldn't sit with them if you chose to either. Just doesn't seem to be you.. being ordered around by a stranger and such. You seem more like one to be allowed to sit wherever you damned well please. Am I wrong?
Yes you are right which is why you dont have much luck with me LOLOL
I am also smart enough to understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not and feed each others paranoia until they come to the conclusion that "THEY are tryin to come between me and my spouse" I'm a wee bit more secure in my relationship than that! As for that matter if my relationship was so weak that it couldnt handle it then I got bigger problems than sittin in different groups!
So dont expect me to buy into your "evil" agenda theory cause it just dont hold water bud.
and thats all I got to say bout that.....got bigger fish to fry than these :)
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
as for it been goin for a month and no answers yet....most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on instead of beatin a dead horse figurin it'll get up :P the flies are swarmin fellas....and it's startin to stink...dont think it's gettin up any time soon.
You said, "most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on"
So why do you keep coming back for more?
Didn't Mr. Elk Konnected ELK@KC tell you not to?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 03:44:30 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!
It's not about a weak mind it's about a strong marriage. Divorce would never be an option in our marriage. For Elk Konnected it's about divide and conquer not strong family's.
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally. If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom? Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
Yes you are right which is why you dont have much luck with me LOLOL
I am also smart enough to understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not and feed each others paranoia until they come to the conclusion that "THEY are tryin to come between me and my spouse" I'm a wee bit more secure in my relationship than that! As for that matter if my relationship was so weak that it couldnt handle it then I got bigger problems than sittin in different groups!
So dont expect me to buy into your "evil" agly aenda theory cause it just dont hold water bud.
You just crater to peer group pressure and defend it any old way you. can.
You said, "understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not" That sounds exact like those so called Elk Konnected, LLC so called community conversations, Good Job, I could not have said it better myself.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 04:28:07 PM
feed each others paranoia .
And your degree in psychiatry was earned when?
Quote from: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 04:45:14 PM
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally. If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom? Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.
Ha, ha now that funny. ROFLMBO
Quote from: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 04:45:14 PM
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally. If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom? Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.
A strong adult community organizer would be able to let adults sit where they pleased. This isn't about strong marriages but rather weak 'leaders'. Suggestions are one thing, but being told who you can not sit with is just wrong.
Again... who are the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: Ross on May 23, 2011, 04:51:26 PM
Ha, ha now that funny. ROFLMBO
I'm sorry, I got off subject. Let's see now, where were we.
Oh yea, Who is Elk konnected, LLC?
1. Who is/are the originally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
2. Who are the currently admitted members of the Elk Konnected, LLC?
3. We ar not asking who the volunteers are.
Now, I have to say, I don't think that is what she meant by that. It is nice to talk to others about things. If you went to this with your wife, and I guess you did, didn't you discuss this at home with her? This being whatever. As for always agreeing, nope we don't always see eye to eye, my husband and I. That is what makes are relationship interesting!! We can have a conversation and he will never know what I am going to say!! He had a different opinion then I did about the schools, and he could give one cent less about this conversation. And it's not that he don't care about Elk County, he just has more important issues on his plate. Like, hummm, making money, keeping sick calves alive, and many different issues that are more pressing then who are members of Elk Konnect.
Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking. Didn't really change my views at all about the organization. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 05:00:59 PM
Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking.
Care to share the questions asked answers received? Maybe you hold the keys!
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 05:09:10 PM
Care to share the questions asked answers received? Maybe you hold the keys!
Maybe you could go ask the questions you want answered directly, just like Angie did. Oh wait, that would mean you would lose your all important anonymity. Guess you'll just have to send your lackey.
Sorry, I feel that putting what I asked and what I recieved on here isn't the right thing to do. Charlie is right, you need to ask them yourself. I just feel like that is opening a can of worms that I don't need to open at this time. Got enough on my plate as it is!!! Plus you wouldn't like how and what I ask!! It was pretty straight to the point!!! Just like the answers to alot of your questions have been posted on here. Like who are members!!! Look at other post and you can answer that one! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 05:00:59 PM
Now, I have to say, I don't think that is what she meant by that. It is nice to talk to others about things. If you went to this with your wife, and I guess you did, didn't you discuss this at home with her? This being whatever. As for always agreeing, nope we don't always see eye to eye, my husband and I. That is what makes are relationship interesting!! We can have a conversation and he will never know what I am going to say!! He had a different opinion then I did about the schools, and he could give one cent less about this conversation. And it's not that he don't care about Elk County, he just has more important issues on his plate. Like, hummm, making money, keeping sick calves alive, and many different issues that are more pressing then who are members of Elk Konnect.
Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking. Didn't really change my views at all about the organization. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am so happy for you and your relationship. I and my spouse have our differences to and I do believe that makes us normal. However one thing we do agree on is no one will ever come between us. Our marriage is our's to make decisions together.
You said, "Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking." Wont you share?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 05:12:15 PM
Maybe you could go ask the questions you want answered directly, just like Angie did. Oh wait, that would mean you would lose your all important anonymity. Guess you'll just have to send your lackey.
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.
I'm not hiding behind a fictitiuos name, I have stated my identity on here very often. Often enough for your buddy Patriot to take it and publish a condensed version of my resume on here. And, it is Patriot the quoted statement was aimed at, not you. I have yet to see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.
Quote from: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.
S'ok Ross, It's talking about me. You're just my lackey. lol
Now, about those tax dollars EK isn't using....
Quote from: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
...I have yet of see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.
And it just drives you're butt to distraction, doesn't it?
Now, who were the admitted members of EK at the time of its' filing of Articles of Organization with the Secretary of State?
Ross......you seriously crack me up. You are SO full of bull
Wilma....he probly does stand by the door LOL!
As for crackin to peer pressure???? Are you serious? Peer pressure hasnt worked on me since KINDERGARDEN! Ask anybody round there who knows me LOLOLOLOL
I dont belong to ANY organizations....I'm what they call a free-agent ;) I go where I want when I want and talk to who I want about WHAT I want which is why I'm on here tweakin your nose....... cause it amuses me :)
Quote from: flintauqua in private message on May 23, 2011, 05:40:41 PM
From you - And it just drives you're butt to distraction, doesn't it?
No, It just makes you look like a pompous ass! (To at least 12 members of the Forum)
Thanks for the private message chuck. But I'm sure I have little reason to be very concerned about what others think of the messenger. It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting.
Now, how much taxpayer money has Elk Konnected received? And what community growth has resulted?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 05:15:19 PM
Just like the answers to alot of your questions have been posted on here. Like who are members!!! Look at other post and you can answer that one! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess I missed the list of names of actual members and the list of names of donors. Would be kind enough to you show me where to look. Thanks.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 05:33:34 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictitiuos name, I have stated my identity on here very often. Often enough for your buddy Patriot to take it and publish a condensed version of my resume on here. And, it is Patriot the quoted statement was aimed at, not you. I have yet of see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.
Perhaps he is a figment of our imagination. Sorta Pretty Normal to Paranormal.
That's his privlidge per the forums rules, huh?
Back to the question who and what is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:25:00 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.
Oop's I Oop's I misspelled that. Fictitious. My bad.
I wouldn't even have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 05:50:58 PM
It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting. So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest. You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.
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I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC. You can't prove otherwise without all the following information.
1. Why the personal Family vendetta? Are you secretly in love with Liz?
2. Why did you move to the highest taxed county in the state if you didn't want to pay the highest taxes in the state?
3. Why do want others names, addresses, business ties, financials do not provide your own?
4. How much tax do you pay? If you even are a county citizen you must have paid something or you would not be complaining about the use of "your" money......oh that's right it isn't your money anymore after you pay for something. That would make it your Loss.
5. Why don't you provide any answers to the questions asked of you repeatedly?
6. Why can't your respect the office of commissioner? You weren't elected to speak for anyone. You will not even run for office.
7. How many kids in elk county had ever played soccer before elk konnected came in to being?
8. How many professional plays did second graders have an opportunity to attend before elk connected?
9. When in the history of Kansas has any group from Moline, Longton, Grenola, and others come in mass to help clean up Severy before their Labor Day event?
10. How does complaining but not offering a better plan produce positive results? You attack the county employees for incompetence , ignorance, and waste spending but offer no alternative " solution.". You attack civic leader for lack of transparency but you goals and futuristic vision are as clear as goat crap.
11. You attack the unemployed in your posts bet defend enabling them if it defends you personal place on earth why the double standard?
12. Why must there always be list of things you need to know? Are you writing a book? A county journal? An opus de Elk County?
13. How is helping kids a poor choice? You have children but yet you adamantly limit the youth of elk county to see more good than conflict, more positive then vote no, more you need it more than they do.
14. The meeting at the Moline was organized by the people of elk county for people of elk county. Why do you question the ethics or integrity of those who reported back to the commissioners? They are just as qualified to collect data and regurgitate it as you are minus the negativity and end of days drama.
15. Have you tried to become a engaged member of elk county? Utopia is a fictitious. Build something, hire somebody, pay some real taxes then Maybe there would be respect for your dribble. To come here and bitch, gripe, and complain you will get a lot of resistance. But then again trolls are solitary creatures. You don't need community you have Loss and you can codependent with him.
16. Tell me the part in the bible of unpatriotic where you get to decide not the elected officials what county funds are allocated for?
17. How can you advocate smaller goverment but want to add a county manager? Would a county manager working for free, do a good job or do you get what you pay for? Surely you are not going to add to the county debt by using county dollars to hire for unproven position?
Have you ever seen the movie Up?
I think you are an angry bird with a few chicks at your nest. A snipe so to speak. You are lost in the jungle. We should sent a kid out snipe hunting to find you. Carl Fredricson has nothing on you.
The moral of the story of the Movie: Kevin is a girl. The moral here: stop taking everything to the extreme.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 23, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
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I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC. You can't prove otherwise without all the following information.
1. Why the personal Family vendetta? Are you secretly in love with Liz?
2. Why did you move to the highest taxed county in the state if you didn't want to pay the highest taxes in the state?
3. Why do want others names, addresses, business ties, financials do not provide your own?
4. How much tax do you pay? If you even are a county citizen you must have paid something or you would not be complaining about the use of "your" money......oh that's right it isn't your money anymore after you pay for something. That would make it your Loss.
5. Why don't you provide any answers to the questions asked of you repeatedly?
6. Why can't your respect the office of commissioner? You weren't elected to speak for anyone. You will not even run for office.
7. How many kids in elk county had ever played soccer before elk konnected came in to being?
8. How many professional plays did second graders have an opportunity to attend before elk connected?
9. When in the history of Kansas has any group from Moline, Longton, Grenola, and others come in mass to help clean up Severy before their Labor Day event?
10. How does complaining but not offering a better plan produce positive results? You attack the county employees for incompetence , ignorance, and waste spending but offer no alternative " solution.". You attack civic leader for lack of transparency but you goals and futuristic vision are as clear as goat crap.
11. You attack the unemployed in your posts bet defend enabling them if it defends you personal place on earth why the double standard?
12. Why must there always be list of things you need to know? Are you writing a book? A county journal? An opus de Elk County?
13. How is helping kids a poor choice? You have children but yet you adamantly limit the youth of elk county to see more good than conflict, more positive then vote no, more you need it more than they do.
14. The meeting at the Moline was organized by the people of elk county for people of elk county. Why do you question the ethics or integrity of those who reported back to the commissioners? They are just as qualified to collect data and regurgitate it as you are minus the negativity and end of days drama.
15. Have you tried to become a engaged member of elk county? Utopia is a fictitious. Build something, hire somebody, pay some real taxes then Maybe there would be respect for your dribble. To come here and bitch, gripe, and complain you will get a lot of resistance. But then again trolls are solitary creatures. You don't need community you have Loss and you can codependent with him.
16. Tell me the part in the bible of unpatriotic where you get to decide not the elected officials what county funds are allocated for?
17. How can you advocate smaller goverment but want to add a county manager? Would a county manager working for free, do a good job or do you get what you pay for? Surely you are not going to add to the county debt by using county dollars to hire for unproven position?
Have you ever seen the movie Up?
I think you are an angry bird with a few chicks at your nest. A snipe so to speak. You are lost in the jungle. We should sent a kid out snipe hunting to find you. Carl Fredricson has nothing on you.
The moral of the story of the Movie: Kevin is a girl. The moral here: stop taking everything to the extreme.
Now all that is just down right
nasty and
ugly, are you sayig all this as an Elk Konnected, LLC representative? It just doesn't speak well of Elk Konnected, LLC does it? Let's play nice, Okay.
Quote from: PAT RIOT on May 23, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
.I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC. You can't prove otherwise without all the following information...
There really is a deep end and I think you've finally gone off of it. Of course, you could sue the LLC and issue a subpoena duces tecum for the records. I think you know who the registered agent is.
And you started your rant by quoting me as saying,
It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting. So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest. You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.I posted only the first sentence. How about at least being honest in your quotations.
Now, did Elk Konnected, LLC at some point really receive a $3,000 grant from the state of Kansas and divert the money to pay Mr. Woodbury and Public Square Communities, LLC instead of awarding it to some deserving student or some local program? Or was the commissioner misunderstood at the recent commission meeting?
I think Pat Riot has attempted a diversion by using ugly remarks that are terribly insulting to everyone on this thread. I just don't see no reason to be that angry. Pat Riot perhaps you could muster an appology to all the good folks on this thread and even to Liz. Let's try to be decent and stay on subject. Thank you for considering this request.
I foresee an apology from Patrick coming about as soon as the end of the never ending asking of the same questions by Ross and Patriot.
Difference between Patrick and Ross/Patriot - Patrick is a little less polite with his accusations and insinuations.
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 08:12:32 PM
There really is a deep end where i live and underemployment and I think you've finally gone off of it by i still want to play in your sandbox. Of course, you could sue the LLC and issue a subpoena duces tecum for the records. I think you know who the registered agent is. The typical come here response sue, sue, sue.....
And you started your rant. I rant , you roll, I rock, you are a troll. by quoting me as saying, It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting. So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest. You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.
I posted only the first sentence but I'n my mind I was thinking all the rest and wondering how does he get into my head. How about at least being honest in your or are they our quotations.
Now, did Elk Konnected, LLC at some point really receive a $3,000 grant from the state of Kansas and divert the money to pay Mr. Woodbury and Public Square Communities, LLC instead of awarding it to some deserving student or some local program? Or was the commissioner misunderstood at the recent commission meeting?
. No elkkonnected,llc did not divert any money from a school scholarship to pay Mr. Terry Woodbury and public. square Communities,LLC. No student was harmed in the making on the LLC. The grant was from the state of Kansas for development of rural communities. If you would like to know how much scholarship money elk county has raised for students of the area it is somewhere in the area of $118,000. I did see quite a few elk konnected evil doers giving scholarships at the banquet that seemed to forget was important enough to attend but it fails me as to your contribution to the graduating senior classes of elk county. Surely your efforts greatly exceed those that you belittle, disrespect, and infer misdealings.
Isn't it intellectually dishonest to misquote someone intentionally? Oh well.
Which Elk Konnected, LLC admitted member(s) officially sanction taxpayer funding requests made for its' sponsored functions? Or are those making the requests also admitted members of the LLC?
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Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 09:00:13 PM
Isn't it intellectually dishonest to misquote someone intentionally? Oh well.
Which Elk Konnected, LLC admitted member(s) officially sanction taxpayer funding requests made for its' sponsored functions? Or are those making the requests also admitted members of the LLC?
the one(s) with the need for the funding. All admitted members are admitted members. The other one is still in the closet.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 09:16:40 PM
Qthe one(s) with the need for the funding. All admitted members are admitted members. The other one is still in the closet.
More play on words and twisted head games. And with a misleading nickname,too. You, sir, are a truly interesting creature. But I believe that most readers here are too smart to be fooled by such amateur silliness.
About that $118,000 you mentioned. Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
About that $118,000 you mentioned. Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?
I don't have a list of all the scholarships - but I do know that quite a few of them are from locally raised money, voluntarily given - some just this year, some from several years in the past. Fund raisers have been held throughout the year, as in years past, raising money for scholarships.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 23, 2011, 09:41:28 PM
I don't have a list of all the scholarships - but I do know that quite a few of them are from locally raised money, voluntarily given - some just this year, some from several years in the past. Fund raisers have been held throughout the year, as in years past, raising money for scholarships.
I never said that local donations weren't part of the mix. Was just inquiring as to the breakdown.
Quote from: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 09:26:40 PM
You, sir, are a truly interesting creature. But I believe that most readers here are too smart to be fooled by such amateur silliness.
About that $118,000 you mentioned. Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?
Every bit of the local money came from local sources.
The state and national scholarships were additional to the local money. It totaled $285,000. They earn this much this year by getting good grades with no help from you or your vote no posse. I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support.
It was a total for west elk only of$403,000. I have no idea how much more was received my elk valley students I don't have any EV information.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 09:46:17 PM
Every bit of the local money came from local sources.
The state and national scholarships were additional to the local money. It totaled $285,000. They earn this much this year by getting good grades with no help from you or your vote no posse. I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support.
It was a total for west elk only of$403,000. I have no idea how much more was received my elk valley students I don't have any EV information.
First, thanks for the honest quote.
I have no doubt that local money was local money. But how much of the 118K was local money? And was that all through Elk Konnected, LLC.?
You said, "I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support." But I thought you said there
was local support. Which is it?
Quote from AC/DC
every bit of the local money came from local sources.
Damn boy---there's a political answer !! You got a future in politics
Quote from: jarhead on May 23, 2011, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from AC/DC
every bit of the local money came from local sources.
Damn boy---there's a political answer !! You got a future in politics
LMAO!
100% of the $118,000 was from a taxable entity. None was from EK llc. But an a lot of elk konnected supporters support and provide funding for the scholarships. I could name on one hand the number of scholarships any vote-no my money has ever sponsored, unless you count family. You are always real quick to point out the nepotism.
Call Debbie Zellner if you are interested in sponsoring a scholarship. I am sure she can give you every name of every scholarship, the amount given and the number of years that scholarship has been given, and who received what when.
Local funds could come from local taxes. I would forgo a load of rock to put a kid in college. It would be better spent than paying a salary for another layer of management like a county manager.
What is $400,000 times 15 years?
Why would we want to improve a school system that can educate to a level that national scholarships are the norm. Why would reward the staff for such an accomplishment by freezing their pay? Layoff the support staff. Cut days of schools to more time off than on. Fix ancient buildings do not improve technology. There are no tech jobs no go back to the slate. And chalk.. Laptops are a complete waste of tax dollars.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
100% of the $118,000 was from a taxable entity. None was from EK llc.
That's a start, I suppose. If I understand what you are trying to say, the $118K was paid by another non-government entity (a person, company, partnership, etc.) other than EK, LLC. I presume that party must wish to remain anonymous since you didn't identify the source. That's great.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
But an a lot of elk konnected supporters support and provide funding for the scholarships. I could name on one hand the number of scholarships any vote-no my money has ever sponsored, unless you count family. You are always real quick to point out the nepotism.
I'm sure a lot of people both affiliated and not affiliated with EK have given to any number of worthy causes. People should be free to do with their personal funds whatever they wish. I'm not sure what 'vote-no money' is, and I can't see how nepotism has any relevance in the content of this post.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
Call Debbie Zellner if you are interested in sponsoring a scholarship. I am sure she can give you every name of every scholarship, the amount given and the number of years that scholarship has been given, and who received what when.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
Local funds could come from local taxes. I would forgo a load of rock to put a kid in college.
If the community wants tax funds used in this way and such use does not detract from the primary functions of government. As for your load of whatever... at $6-$8 a ton, a 15 ton load won't buy much education. Moreover, I suspect many folks would say that infrastructure maintenance would be a priority over post-secondary education when it comes to the basic functions of government.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
It would be better spent than paying a salary for another layer of management like a county manager.
Unless having such a manager sufficiently enhanced operations so as to result in more efficiency and/or more effective use of existing resources. Those who have studied management understand how the proper applications of the functions of management by utilizing effective scope and delegation can vastly improve the performance of an organization.
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
What is $400,000 times 15 years?
$6 Million. Your point?
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
Why would we want to improve a school system that can educate to a level that national scholarships are the norm. Why would reward the staff for such an accomplishment by freezing their pay? Layoff the support staff. Cut days of schools to more time off than on. Fix ancient buildings do not improve technology.
I don't believe anyone here has advocated disassembling the primary & secondary school systems. However, I think many would say that much of the money put into the primary & secondary educational systems could be better used (i.e. paying more to quality teachers, providing more for quality classroom supplies & equipment, and less to bloated administrator salaries).
Quote from: PATRIOT, LLC. on May 23, 2011, 10:30:49 PM
There are no tech jobs no go back to the slate. And chalk.. Laptops are a complete waste of tax dollars.
The rest of your statement lacks sufficient coherence to warrant any response other than to say that additional spending for the development of good communication skills (like grammar, punctuation & thought development) might be warranted in some cases.
This is progress, I think. Can you enlighten us as to the tax status of Elk Konnected, LLC? Has it elected to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship? Is it organized for profit? Is it classified as a tax exempt entity under Internal Revenue Section 501(c)(3)?
I, for one, am excited to hear from an official spokesperson from Elk Konnected, LLC. You are an official spokesperson for the LLC, right?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
Difference between Patrick and Ross/Patriot - Patrick is a little less polite with his accusations and insinuations.
No, sorry I have to disagree with you that just lacked any kind of class and was just plain nasty and ugly.
Sounded a whole lot like a high school bully.
An E-mail from the Kansas Department of Commerce to myself. Kansas Department of Commerce does operate on tax payers dollars.
Ross,
I found out that our agency provided a one-time $3,000 "scholarship" to Elk Konnected in September of 2008. Upon receipt of a required report, these types of contributions were available to communities/counties to help them with the cost of participating in Public Square.
I hope this helps. Commerce has no control over the projects or initiatives that arise from the sessions conducted between Public Square & Elk Konnected. It's basically community driven from what I understand. However I'm not an expert on it but I have sat in on multiple sessions in other communities. Again, you might visit with Elk Konnected reps. if you disagree with any of their goals or objectives.
Thanks,
Craig
Public Square Community Development
Grant Amount:
$178,000.00
Grant Cycle:
Approved Date:
Thursday, January 28, 2010
Duration (months): 36
http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/public_square_community_development
County Day Camp
Grant Amount:
$13,522.00
Grant Cycle:
Spring 2009
Approved Date:
Monday, May 4, 2009
Duration (months):
1
Grant Purpose:
To support a six-week summer day camp experience for first through sixth grade students that teaches good nutrition and the importance of physical activity.
Grantee:
Elk County
http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/county_day_camp
Grants from the Kansas Health Association are not Taxpayers dollars, at least not directly.
Elk County Wellness Center
Grant Amount:
$19,900.00
Grant Cycle:
Fall 2009
Approved Date:
Thursday, October 29, 2009
Duration (months):
2
Grant Purpose:
will support a wellness center for residents of Elk and Greenwood counties by funding the purchase of exercise equipment. The center also plans to provide information about healthy eating and a variety of fitness classes for all ages.
Grantee:
Elk County Community and Education Foundation
http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/elk_county_wellness_center
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements? Elk Konnected got grant money for day camps for the kids in the summer. Have your kids never gone to them? They are really nice things for the kids that the kids enjoy, and they also learn things!!! Oh, My we wouldn't want our kids to learn things in the summer!!! That wouldn't be good!! I for one, push my kids into summer school if they have an area that I feel they are lacking in. Why not, gives them something else to do and learn!!
I think what it all boils down to is you want to know who the members were at the time of the start and when LLC went into the name. I still think that it is in this post somewhere. Like the founding members, I think the names were there.
Patrick, your right about the ballet that the 2nd grade went to, I know I would have never thought of taking my girls to it. I helped at it this year, and also talked to Mr. Galvan's daughter. He was the one responsible for starting taking the kids to this. She and there whole family are big contributors to improving Elk County. The production was amazing!! I myself have never been!! I volunteered my time and helped at the event seat children and got to see it!! Well, worth the little time it took to seat the kiddos!!
I'm kind of self serving you know, but I want my children to have opportunities that I didn't have, like the soccer, the ballet, and other things.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 24, 2011, 07:38:46 AM
If you've been to a public meeting lately, you will see the meeting is run by a man or woman who is not really part of the group in an "official" capacity. They are called "facilitator." his/her job is to bring the group to "consensus," which means there is not to be debate or disagreement. The policy or project or program on the table is not discussed in detail so that the group can judge the item on its merits and vote on it. In fact, if you begin to question the policy, or ask who the facilitator represents, or in general show signs of disagreement, the facilitator quickly loses his/her charm and begins to describe you to the group as "uncooperative" or a troublemaker who is wasting the group's time. There is never a vote on the issue. Instead, the group somehow reaches "consensus."
-Tom DeWeese
You can find redcliffsw's full post in another thread in the politics forum, but this part fits very well here. Groupthink, anyone? Consider these things as you ponder past & future 'community discussions'. I'll await responses to this labeling me as 'uncooperative', uncaring or just not with the group. Sometimes a forest is better seen when you're not surrounded by the trees.
Now, who exactly is Elk Konnected, LLC, and why have they hired Public Square Communities, LLC, and just who the heck is Mr. Woodbury? Why do you need an outside 'facilitator' to have a discussion, and why is intimate relations with county government one of their earmarks?
That sounds just like high school peer group pressure with a bully running the show by calling the sheriff.
Quote from: Ross on May 24, 2011, 08:40:11 AM
That sounds just like high school peer group pressure with a bully running the show by calling the sheriff.
Yeah... but in our case 10% (more or less) of the population came to a consensus (under the professional facilitation of a stranger) about what should be done with money paid to the county on behalf of 100% of the population. That's what matters, right?.. Consensus of the few for the good of the many.
Quote from: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 08:31:43 AM
You can find redcliffsw's full post in another thread in the politics forum, but this part fits very well here. Groupthink, anyone? Consider these things as you ponder past & future 'community discussions'. I'll await responses to this labeling me as 'uncooperative', uncaring or just not with the group. Sometimes a forest is better seen when you're not surrounded by the trees.
Now, who exactly is Elk Konnected, LLC, and why have they hired Public Square Communities, LLC, and just who the heck is Mr. Woodbury? Why do you need an outside 'facilitator' to have a discussion, and why is intimate relations with county government one of their earmarks?
It is a good read.
I didn't understand what was really going on at the so called community meeting's except control and especially when I tried to talk with the man from Wsahington County. He said he would talk with me outside, but not in front of the community. When, I asked why not in front of the community he simply called for the sheriff. This article explains why that happened. I was not disruptive and I was very polite. When he called for the sheriff I politely turned and walked out before the sheriff's deputies arrived. I was not argumentative. But I guess with a control factor asking questions is considered argumentative.
I haave learned something new today.
PLAIN B-SSSSSSS!!! That's not how the meeting went that I attended. And Patriot your twisting words!! Because if that is the case, we would have a new school here right now!!!! The wind farm conversation was just that, a conversation. We, Elk County, does not even have the money. I believe that what will be done with the money is they will pay off debt, I could be wrong, but I do know the county commissioners and have faith that they will do what is best for all.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm
Goals:
Youth Development
establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image
create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness
create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards
establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication
Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
For information contact: Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 09:31:33 AM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm
Goals:
Youth Development
establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image
create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness
create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards
establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication
Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
For information contact: Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127
You posted, "establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community " By what authority does Elk Connected, LLC have to enforce anything? Is the sheriff department part of Elk Konnected, LLC? Does Elk Konnected, LLC control our local governments.
You posted, " For information contact: Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127 " We were todl right here on this forum that the name Richard Fish on the LLC meant nothing. None of them will come forward and say they are registered members of Elk konnected, LLC.
I'll ask them right now, please, won't you folks come forward and engage in a conversation with all of us Elk County citizens here on the forum? Let's see what happens, Okay?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements?
My sincerest apology for getting off subject. It just shows tons of money for Elk Konnected, LLC, so why do they need Elk County tax monies that could be used to pay down the county debt or used by the individual communities. Is Elk Konnected, LLC just greedy who ever they are? Who are they? Why won't they engage with county citizens on this forum? I believe PCS tells them to engage the community. This forum is just as much a community as Elk Konnected, LLC claims they are, maybe more so.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
PLAIN B-SSSSSSS!!! That's not how the meeting went that I attended. And Patriot your twisting words!! Because if that is the case, we would have a new school here right now!!!! The wind farm conversation was just that, a conversation.
My goodness, what a reaction. Yes, there was a 'conversation'. But even a child could see that the 'discussion' was held in a forum and a format that is almost exactly as described in red's post, and the reported 250 attendees would represent something less than 10% of the 2800 residents in Elk County. I'm sorry you can't see that. Maybe there was some sort of open democratic debate about the various 'suggestions' and a vote to determine the group consensus that I didn't hear about.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 09:29:59 AM
I believe that what will be done with the money is they will pay off debt, I could be wrong, but I do know the county commissioners and have faith that they will do what is best for all.
I never said they wouldn't.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 07:21:00 AM
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements? Elk Konnected got grant money for day camps for the kids in the summer. Have your kids never gone to them? They are really nice things for the kids that the kids enjoy, and they also learn things!!! Oh, My we wouldn't want our kids to learn things in the summer!!! That wouldn't be good!! I for one, push my kids into summer school if they have an area that I feel they are lacking in. Why not, gives them something else to do and learn!!
DAYUM I must be stupid or something. I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time
Quote from: srkruzich on May 24, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
DAYUM I must be stupid or something. I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time
Which fits socialism, welfare, handouts. It's free???
Just another way to use kids as a tool to reach some private goal.
Oop's my bad.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 24, 2011, 10:44:47 AM
DAYUM I must be stupid or something. I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time
SUCKER!!! (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb035.gif)
Good god, you all are STILL beatin that dead horse? ::)
startin to look like the patriot/ross/red/steve PONY show......with ONE ring
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 11:16:57 AM
Good god, you all are STILL beatin that dead horse? ::)
Yup. Cuz it ain't really dead yet. Just playin opossum. BTW, it's not really a horse, that was just the group consensus. Grab a seat in ring 1 and watch. Or don't. ;D
Ok, Steve, whatever. I pay for my kids to go to camps during the summer, too. It's like mrsc says, beating a dead horse. Everytime I post something, it's a total slam!! Just like your sucker remark!! Have a wonderful day in your neighbor hood of fairy tales!!!!!!! Or whatever world you all live in!! GOOD BYE!!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 11:24:39 AM
Just like your sucker remark!!
That was my remark, and it didn't involve you at all. Sheesh. I think that maybe you're just a bit out of touch with the flow here.
Now, how much does Public Square charge, and how much is paid with grant money (taxpayer dollars)?
Quote from: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 11:22:24 AM
Yup. Cuz it ain't really dead yet. Just playin opossum. BTW, it's not really a horse, that was just the group consensus. Grab a seat in ring 1 and watch. Or don't. ;D
Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....Only thing is they aint watchin cause they think you're right OR have any good points...they're WATCHIN cause yall are actin the fool and they wanna see how long yall can chase your tail before you turn into butter!
now I'm gonna go play outside ;D be back with some toast and jelly later ;)
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....Only thing is they aint watchin cause they think you're right OR have any good points...they're WATCHIN cause yall are actin the fool and they wanna see how long yall can chase your tail before you turn into butter!
Oo, yer brilliant, ya can read everyones mind.
Can ya read my mind? Try, then scroll down for the answer.
Why won't Elk Konnected, LLC come out of the closet?
Iffin y'all say so, it must be so.
Quote from: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 11:35:32 AM
Iffin y'all say so, it must be so.
LOL! ;D ayyyiigghhtt!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 11:24:39 AM
Ok, Steve, whatever. I pay for my kids to go to camps during the summer, too. It's like mrsc says, beating a dead horse. Everytime I post something, it's a total slam!! Just like your sucker remark!! Have a wonderful day in your neighbor hood of fairy tales!!!!!!! Or whatever world you all live in!! GOOD BYE!!!
Well quite frankly USING TAX DOLLARS to send your kid on a vacation is highly offensive! The rest of us folks have to work and pay for our kids to go to camp. Same thing should be of everyone. IF a private organization such as a church wishs to help out kids whose parents cannot afford to pay for the camp, then kool. More power to em. But spending money stolen from workers to pay for someone elses kids to go to camp is a outrage and offense
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
now I'm gonna go play outside ;D be back with some toast and jelly later ;)
Home made butter is 3.50 a lb. got it right here in the freezer.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 11:30:12 AM
Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....
Is that why Elk Konnected, LLC won't be engaged in conversation?
Hi newst member suemadison852
I have family named Madison in Kansas City. Oh, I know it's a big world shrunk by the internet but I have had similar
occassions clear across the country. do you have family in KC?
I lived just a mile from a relative in Washington state for several years before I found out they were there.
So ya just never know.
Ross, the proper place for greeting new members is in the Welcome New Members thread in another category.
Or are you just trying to change the subject?
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread. Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.
Quote from: Wilma on May 24, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
Ross, the proper place for greeting new members is in the Welcome New Members thread in another category.
Or are you just trying to change the subject?
Well, thank you I didn't know.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread. Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.
Oh, get a grip.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 01:40:22 PM
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread. Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.
Charlie, I think many if not most of the forum participants would agree with you. The repeated nothings over and over are really getting old and accomplish absolutely nothing.
Quote from: frawin on May 24, 2011, 02:57:22 PM
Charlie, I think many if not most of the forum participants would agree with you. The repeated nothings over and over are really getting old and accomplish absolutely nothing.
There surely quite a bit of truth in what is asked and said because you keep coming back for more.
If i felt the way you do about this thread I simply wouldn't return.
Do you know who the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC are?
No, I don't and I don't really care except to thank them for all the work and effort they have and do put into it. Ross, can't you see that the Forum is not the place for the answer you want. You are not going to get the answer to your question here.
Quote from: frawin on May 24, 2011, 03:11:32 PM
No, I don't and I don't really care except to thank them for all the work and effort they have and do put into it. Ross, can't you see that the Forum is not the place for the answer you want. You are not going to get the answer to your question here.
Thank the volunteers, they deserve it, they do what their told to do by Elk Konnected, LLC But who is Elk Konnected, LLC. . But we are asking about an organization that only prints letters that pat them selves on the back. Elk Konnected, LLC holds public community conversations only with the aid of an outsider, who is a facilitator, educated in the control of people. Place them in a circle of chairs and limit who they can talk with and what they can talk about. But they really don't want to be public themselves. You seem to be an expert on Elk Konnected, LLC so tell us Who is Elk Konnected registered members not the volunteers? This forum appears to be more of a community than Elk Konnected, LLC does.
Ross and Patriot do not want answers. Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end. They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).
The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink. If they float, they're guilty of evil doings. If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.
Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Ross, good facilitators do not "control"people in the sense you mean.They do set ground rules for meetings and workshops. If none of the original EK people had any experience in being a true facilitator, it would make sense to bring one in and I suspect that is part of what Public Square was asked to do. I've been ducking around this but that is exactly what one on my jobs was for many years for the State of Delaware and The American Heart Association. I taught "Train the Trainer" classes among other things. I facilitated work shops for teachers in fire safety, particularly in how to incorporate fire safety into their existing curricula rather than a stand alone class. They were always group sessions conducted much like the EK conversations. I had an advantage though because they were very homogeneous groups. All teachers. No, they were not all from public schools either. Please look up "Facilitator" and find Facilitator 101,Roles of Effective Facilitators from the banner Curriculum. It will explain the 80/20 rules and why questions that are off the subject are not entertained. If someone had asked my family history at one of my work shops I would have made arrangements to talk to them later or after the session. More later, OK City has a tornado right now, go keep an eye out and be safe.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers. Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end. They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).
The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if the float or sink. If they float, they're guilty of evil doings. If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.
Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Wow! What a fiction story writer you'd make. We are not accusing anyone of anything. Simply asking who is the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC and why do they continue to deny using taxpayers dollars especially right after an Elk Konnected, LLC volunteer had just asked for tax payers money just before being asked.
The Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. What a hoot!
you said, "This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!"
Now that's funny, where are the witches to be found, do you know some. We are not out to prove anyting. Just asking who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members and why won't they have a conversation. Is it perhaps because they don't have the man from Wichita County available to control the conversation.
Why are you so upset by a few questions, so upset as to tell us to go away.
You said, "prove something or shut the hell up already!" Is that Elk konnected, LLC talking?
Is this you Forum? Who are you to give orders?
You might try being nice, it's good for the heart. Perhaps your preacher can give you some guidance onbeing nice.
QuoteWow! What a fiction story writer you'd make. We are not accusing anyone of anything. Simply asking who is the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC and why do they continue to deny using taxpayers dollars especially right after an Elk Konnected, LLC volunteer had just asked for tax payers money just before being asked.
The Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. What a hoot!
you said, "This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!"
Now that's funny, where are the witches to be found, do you know some. We are not out to prove anyting. Just asking who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members and why won't they have a conversation. Is it perhaps because they don't have the man from Wichita County available to control the conversation.
Why are you so upset by a few questions, so upset as to tell us to go away.
You said, "prove something or shut the hell up already!" Is that Elk konnected, LLC talking?
Is this you Forum? Who are you to give orders?
You might try being nice, it's good for the heart. Perhaps your preacher can give you some guidance onbeing nice.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
. . . lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face
It just writes itself, doesn't it?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers. Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end. They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).
The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink. If they float, they're guilty of evil doings. If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.
Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
If this were a trial at law, you would be quite right. It's not. Witch trial? I think not. The court of public opinion possibly. Thank you for your judgments. I've received several opposing judgments privately from folks who prefer not to be falsely demonized as witch hunters and the like. Just simple questions on a public forum in a free country. If our questions bother you there is no requirement to read them.
As I reread your post, I wonder... how exactly do you define lambasting? Would "prove something or shut the hell up already!" qualify?
Now, is Elk Konnected, LLC a non profit?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 04:05:31 PM
It just writes itself, doesn't it?
Apparently so. Please see your previous post at 04:39:21 pm today.
This thread is a riot. Guess different people read/post on it for different reasons. Some because they seek answers---some because they just like seeing people squirm in their seats ---some to see replies where certain parties "think" they speak for the masses and "try" to show how smart and well educated they are. I just know if I hated it as bad as some of you" say" you do, then I wouldn't read any of it. I think Pam has bigger kahones than a couple that do most of the whine assing. At least ol Pam will tell y'all she reads it for the humor. Hell if they started a thread about house cats I wouldn't even read it unless it gave recipes for cooking them-------but I would not tell y'all to shut up because I don't like that particular thread
Quote from: jarhead on May 24, 2011, 05:49:04 PM
. I just know if I hated it as bad as some of you" say" you do, then I wouldn't read any of it.
You are absolutely correct tarhe-uh- I mean jarhead.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 04:05:31 PM
It just writes itself, doesn't it?
Everyone knows fiction is a figment of your imagination. Being angry just isn't good for a person's well being. Be Happy.
But you don't know anything about Elk Konnected either, do you?
Or, do you know who the registered members are?
ok Ross and Patriot:
Perhaps it is a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme that works on the communities.
I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude, and I actually think and believe you are intelligent gentlemen....I refer back to my very first post, in my concern as to your insessant questioning....it won't nor perhaps cannot be answered here.
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up. And your commissioner is on that group.
Now, since I am not quite so doubtful as to the intent of that group....they seem to have the same methods...or agenda as you would say in all the counties that have praised them.
Now, that being said....you are so insessant as to finding out who is the core, the status of exemption and how did they get their money...well frankly you have a lot of insessancies/needs for answers.
I understand your concern that there may be inpropiatey (help sp Wilma) here.
I understand your frustation at asking "just come clean folks".
It almost borderlines at someone asking, "OK...who put that poop on my door??"
Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking.
Why???? Because your arms seem to be honestly flailing...
I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude.
Ready
I understand there is an Umbrella of Elk Konnected LLC with Public Square directed underneath it.
Connect the dots.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 24, 2011, 09:26:24 PM
ok Ross and Patriot:
Perhaps it is a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme that works on the communities.
I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude, and I actually think and believe you are intelligent gentlemen....I refer back to my very first post, in my concern as to your insessant questioning....it won't nor perhaps cannot be answered here.
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up. And your commissioner is on that group.
Now, since I am not quite so doubtful as to the intent of that group....they seem to have the same methods...or agenda as you would say in all the counties that have praised them.
Now, that being said....you are so insessant as to finding out who is the core, the status of exemption and how did they get their money...well frankly you have a lot of insessancies/needs for answers.
I understand your concern that there may be inpropiatey (help sp Wilma) here.
I understand your frustation at asking "just come clean folks".
It almost borderlines at someone asking, "OK...who put that poop on my door??"
Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking.
Why???? Because your arms seem to be honestly flailing...
I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude.
Ready
You said, "I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude" No, I think I'll grab the tin foil before I go to bed. LOL
You said,"The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up. And your commissioner is on that group." I think you misunderstood. The group in question Elk Konnected, LLC. Public Square Communities, LLC is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. You are right our County Commissioner is a staff member with Public Square Communities, LLC and probably with a pay check from them which if true causes further conflict of interest. Now can you understand why they don't want to answer questions publicly?
You said, "in all the counties that have praised them" How do you know the counties praise them? If the rest of them are like Elk Konnected they write their own praises just as our County Commissioner who claims to be the founding member of Elk Konnected and is a staff member of Public Square Community, LLC has done. She wrote the letter as Elk County Commissioner and as if she had no connection to Elk Konnected, LLC. Perhaps now you understand why they don't want to engage publicly in a conversation and only want totally controlled conversations.
You said, "Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking." I just explained why in the previous paragraph. But we are talking and we are being heard loud and clear. That's why we are told very impolitely to shut the hell up.
You said, "I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude." And I believe that. Your input is greatly appreciated by me. Keep it up. Oh, shoot I'm being too polite again. LOL That's what they tell me.
I'm tired so Good night.
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
impropriety?
LOL Jar......now that was funny ;D
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 25, 2011, 07:12:10 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
The teacher doesn't officially have a say in how 2 to 3 million dollars of other folks tax money is spent (or misspent). While you may not agree on the point of conflict of interest, you may be missing the bigger picture. How long did it take you to conclude that an LLC is a legally formed and state registered & sanctioned business?
Our council members don't abstain from voting. These things aren't about little league ballgames or trash pickup. These things are ultimately about corruption, stagnant community growth, and manipulation of the public, and these not between private parties, but between the public and government. No less so than we see at the national level. This isn't about the kids. It's about the grown ups. It's about jobs. It's about businesses. It's about roads. It's about big money, special interests, political ideology, it's about a shrinking county whose well treated children have nothing to stay for when the leave school. It's about lipstick on pigs.
I hope you, and others, will someday realize that this is about seeing our world through adult eyes, not the dreamy visions of kids at an after school movie or a taxpayer funded ballgame. We live in a grown up world, and our kids end up living with (or paying for) the choices we make today. I happen to think this county has been making some poor choices for many years under the same leadership and same leadership ideology. It's time to change course. It's time for real honest growth, not just a bumper sticker slogan. It's time to be grown ups in a grown up world. Government should to work for all the people, all the time. It needs to make wise decisions that lead to long term growth for the majority of the citizens that it represents. It doesn't need to sub-contract our future to community organizers and men with brooms.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 25, 2011, 07:12:10 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
Wae wre talking about an elected person, big difference
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2011, 09:21:54 AM
Wae wre talking about an elected person, big difference
Hey evil twin! Put your glasses on and fix that quote, will ya! lol
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 09:31:13 AM
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."
Your assumption that we're not getting results is flawed. If only you knew.
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
Out of whose Hand?
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 25, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
None of the above. While I may often agree with them, we do surely disagree as gentlefolk on some things.
Now, can you debate the political issues, or do you also have an obsession with background gossip, personal identities and underwear styles?
Did an elected public official hire or influence the hiring of an professional non-resident community organizer (by a private company) to obtain public input and thereby attempt to influence government? If so, was that done with the knowledge of all three commissioners and the consent of at least 2 by recorded vote?
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 25, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
That has definitly got to be an out right lie. I won't do it behind closed doors, I'll tell you right here right now he is not. He is Patriot and no one else. Perhaps Elk Konnected plays those games but we do not.
Get a life. And try harder next time to be truthful.
Shedding our rights is not patriotic.
We should live as freemen and women to pursue our care for our families, our talents, skills, HEALTH and interests without interference of an organization of a few people claiming they know what is best for us in the public squares of our community. And they themselves won't be public.
Here is another deception: "Public Square Communities are vibrant communities which are recognized, linked and elevated – locally, regionally and nationally."
If they are so vibrant why are they going to Public Square Communities, LLC.
Elevated?? How??? By belonging to and paying to belong to Public Square Communities, LLC's private little club of 15 customers. Oop's 16 customers they just added another desperate customer.
locally, regionally and nationally??? How??? By writing themselves letters praising themselves???
"Public Square engages all four sectors of the community: Business, Education, Government and Human Services"
Definition of ENGAGE
transitive verb : to offer (as one's word) as security for a debt or cause
aobsolete: to entangle or entrap in or as if in a snare or bog b: to attract and hold by influence or power c: to interlock with : to bind (as oneself) to do something
: to provide occupation for : involve <engage him in a new project> b: to arrange to obtain the use or services of : hire <engage a lawyer>
: to hold the attention of : engross <her work engages her completely> b: to induce to participate <engaged the shy boy in conversation>
: to enter into contest or battle with <engage the enemy> b: to bring together or interlock (weapons)
: to deal with especially at length
con·ver·sa·tion
noun \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\
Definition of CONVERSATION
1
obsolete: conduct, behavior
a (1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation
Quote from ELK@KC
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
Now that's some funny crap. I will tell you I know ol Sarge pretty good and can tell you the big dummy is a moron, so that leaves him out of the mix. And me ? Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot,I'm not.( can't wait to see what ol Sarge has to say about my "superior intellect"---but it will be a lie ). This reminds me of an old TV show---will the real Patriot,please stand up. We need to ask the Shadow--he/she knows everything!!
Quote from: jarhead on May 25, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
..Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot...
You do? uhhhh...Oh yeah, you do. lol But Sarge is pretty smart, too. I heard he once made correct change at that mini mart where you told me he works the graveyard shift on Tuesday nights.
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 25, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
On a second note.. While I was called 'sarge', I was in the Air Force, and if you know any thing at all about military rivalry, that should clear up any misconceptions about identities. <looking to Sarge n Jarhead> Right ladies? ;D
About those political matters..........
So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished? Satisfaction from squelching a community effort?
Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum. Many ideas were bounced around several years ago. One of the biggest was rural water. Suppose a big industry wanted to expand to where things are cheaper, people would work cheaper, raw materials in and finished product out cheaper, there would have to be huge changes. Water, electricity, gas, roads ,transportation, reliable infrastructure, no tornadoes. Why go there when there are so many other places ahead of you? Somehow you have to reinvent yourselves and advertise and make deals to attract $$$ And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either. How about a big private prison? An artist colony? An authors retreat? Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale? Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there? Do you want tourists or not? We've talked about ideas before to expand camping but nothing seems to happen. Dude ranching? Hiking and Biking trails? Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks? Oil well museum? Trail rides with a chuck wagon meal at the end? That's all well and good, but who is going to do something? Even your retail places that are making it now can't handle much more population loss. At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 25, 2011, 09:50:23 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
I believe that an out right lie, why would anyone chose to back door something like that. The truth is you are trying to derail the actual conversation.
What do you know abut Elk Konnected, LLC. Nothing??? Got questions like us but are afraid to ask????
Get real.
Quote from: jarhead on May 25, 2011, 10:29:41 AM
Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot
Haw!!! That's the biggest bunch of crap I ever heard. Anyone who would fish a rubber lizard with a 2 oz sinker has no intellect at all. And to add, I am not Patriot and I do not know who Patriot is, but I do know that it is not tarhead, uh, jarass, uh harhead----jarhead!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 25, 2011, 10:54:01 AM
...Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum....At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D
Yes somewhat.. Sponsoring kids ballgames with scarce tax dollars, having town cleanups and showing after school movies don't do much either. All have been tried for years, and still we're dying. Now, for all the hype, the Elk Konnected party is rebranding those same processes and adding clever slogans.... some with taxpayer money and possibly with elected official (singular) leadership. If these things haven't helped in the past.... well, look at Wilma's post today about insanity. Adding private collusion and 'consensus' influence to government failure won't change much, either. Same leadership, new image, different results? I'm skeptical.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 25, 2011, 10:54:01 AM
So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished? Satisfaction from squelching a community effort?
Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum. Many ideas were bounced around several years ago. One of the biggest was rural water. Suppose a big industry wanted to expand to where things are cheaper, people would work cheaper, raw materials in and finished product out cheaper, there would have to be huge changes. Water, electricity, gas, roads ,transportation, reliable infrastructure, no tornadoes. Why go there when there are so many other places ahead of you? Somehow you have to reinvent yourselves and advertise and make deals to attract $$$ And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either. How about a big private prison? An artist colony? An authors retreat? Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale? Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there? Do you want tourists or not? We've talked about ideas before to expand camping but nothing seems to happen. Dude ranching? Hiking and Biking trails? Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks? Oil well museum? Trail rides with a chuck wagon meal at the end? That's all well and good, but who is going to do something? Even your retail places that are making it now can't handle much more population loss. At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D
You said," So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished?" What are they accomplishing now besides writing letters patting themselves on the back, handing out lollipops and using county taxpayers dollars to pay Public Squares Communities, LLC to be a member of it's private little club, claiming national recognition?
You said, "And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either." Does that mean turn our county government over to Elk Konnected, LLC? Does that mean have no ethics or morals? Does that mean Bow down to those in hiding?
You said, "How about a big private prison?" Haven't you heard those places are closing down, going broke. Even leaving the communities that supported them with bonds or whatever holding the bag.
You said, "Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale?" That is what this whole county is about, even farming.
You said, "Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there?' There is no industry here, and kids leave home for many reasons. I left my home town in 1966 and only return for short visits. I have retired here 40 miles from my home town. Why, because this is very lightly populated county and the communities are great as well as the people. It's has a more like down home in the 50's attitude. I feel my child is safer here then in the city, but I am sure he will leave when grown. Do you live in your home town?
You said, "Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks?" The state is working with different counties discussing horse trails and activities through all the counties in the tall grass area.
Most of the rest you speak of would be private business and without the population to utilize the business it would be a giant risk to start.
But who is Elk Konnected, LLC, who is running the show? Why are they hiding?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 25, 2011, 07:12:10 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
I guess you don't realize we have groups that are electe by the people and suppose to be for the people and of the people. They are called County Government and City Government's and as a voter and taxpayer you are a part of your respective group. They also hold open meetings for you to voice your opinion. But you do not belong to the group as you may call it, Elk Konnected, LLC. You are only a volunteer doing their bidding to make them look good. Our county also employees an Economic Developement person who also has the job of youth services. Does she need to be replaced by Elk Konnected, LLC. I sure hope not.
Really who is Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2011, 11:39:46 AM
Our county also employees an Economic Developement person who also has the job of youth services. Does she need to be replaced by Elk Konnected, LLC.
Or is she already tasked with doing EKs bidding and/or being compensated by taxpayers in some way for supporting EK functions?
Patriot:
If only I knew what? What do YOU know that you are not telling? Seems to me that there is more here than YOU are saying. If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?
State your real full name and address.
State your true agenda.
Tell us what you expect to get out of this tirade that you are carrying on.
Tell us what you would do to help Elk County progress and not what you wouldn't do.
I could probably come up with a dozen more things you should tell us, but my soaps are back on and they are more important than your aimless meanderings.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers. Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end. They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).
The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty. Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink. If they float, they're guilty of evil doings. If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.
Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Quote from Wilma:
Patriot:
. If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?
State your real full name and address.
Patriot,
This obsession to your identity seems to be side tracking a few to your quest for answers so let me put the mystery to rest. Now I aint positive---but I think Patriot is Lewis Burwell Puller and he resides at Tun Tavern. It has also been established that you wear Haines but just so my next question is not the next distraction--------------boxers or briefs ?? Please don't answer commando !!!!
I do apologize for not staying on subject so carry on Fly-Boy .:)
Wilma, did you mean "openness" ? Not that I care because I knew what you meant
round and round she goes................... ;D
or are they.....omg.....BOXER BRIEFS!!!!!!!
Danger, boring post ahead.... turn away! ;D Ross, I grew up out in the country, surrounded by dairy farms and two mushroom houses, nearest to Landenberg, PA. It had a general store ,a tiny post office, an empty historic hotel, a coal bunker and the Methodist Church during my life.There were several textile mills at one time but they were long gone. I was 6 miles from the local school in Kennett Square, four miles from a little town, Avondale, that had the fire company, a hardware store, ice cream and candy store, a sub shop, our church and later a small appliance store and bank. There had been a roller rink and a farmer's market but they burned. Kennett square, PA on one side of us, and Newark DE on the other were the closest towns of any size for gasoline, shopping movies and banking. When I was little, Bolens' Market from Kennett delivered, so did the milk and bread truck and Sayers Dry Cleaners. So, I really had two home towns in two states and I do indeed live in one of them, Newark. I'd much rather still live out in the country, but it got complicated with Al's job, his dedication to our Newark fire company and Hiram 25. All the towns around here are still quite healthy and just don't have your severe population loss problems.
As far as what as what EK has accomplished, it would appear there are any number of things. I could be wrong on who did what, but several years ago there were concerns in Howard about derelict houses and properties, the look of the old school and it's grounds, and a burned out building that was still just sitting where it fell in on it's self. There were real concerns about the start of broken window syndrome, so a group got together, got coordinated and worked their butts off to do an amazing clean up of the old school property. Someone there could fill in the details of who all did that but I was amazed at the photos that were shown. It showed real community pride and spirit. I suspect some EK people were involved, but I can't say from personal knowledge. Some problems were hard to solve due to absent property owners. I wish I could say more about the other little towns, and how or if they benifited. I know some clean up help was given, but I don't want to misspeak for lack of details.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 25, 2011, 01:53:11 PM
As far as what as what EK has accomplished, it would appear there are any number of things. I could be wrong on who did what, but several years ago there were concerns in Howard about derelict houses and properties, the look of the old school and it's grounds, and a burned out building that was still just sitting where it fell in on it's self. There were real concerns about the start of broken window syndrome, so a group got together, got coordinated and worked their butts off to do an amazing clean up of the old school property. Someone there could fill in the details of who all did that but I was amazed at the photos that were shown. It showed real community pride and spirit. I suspect some EK people were involved, but I can't say from personal knowledge. Some problems were hard to solve due to absent property owners. I wish I could say more about the other little towns, and how or if they benifited. I know some clean up help was given, but I don't want to misspeak for lack of details.
Not much has changed. There is still a big old empty school building in Howard perhaps six stories tall that is an eyesore with all the windows broke out. And if they are really interested in the safety of their children they would do something about it, it is a safety hazard just to look at. I was told but don't know if it's true, that Howard wanted the county to take care of it's demolition. It is privately owned and none of the county taxpayers responsibility as I see it. But, that is what you have a city government for, to produce the regulations and enforce them. Not vigilante clubs or organizations that think they have a right to enforce their will. The individual citizen can approach the city council very easily concerning those problems.
Each community has been running their own clean-ups every year as I am sure even happens in your community. Even the county had a very large clean up a week or two ago and hauled of tons and I mean literally tons of stuff. All without the help of Elk Konnected, LLC. Things appear to me to work just fine. Elk Konnected, LLC even copied Elk Viotalley School's plan of having the school kids have a community clean up day and painting and such. Nothing new, just mimic. Apparently West Elk Schools faculty could not do the same thing with out being told to by Elk Konnected, LLC. Go figure.
Oh a note to Patriot leave them guessing about your shorts. It gives them something to thin about. Next they will want to know your brand of Prophylactic preference.
But back on the original subject of Elk Konnected, LLC who, who are you?
Who cares on either subject! The underwear or Ek Connected. :police: It is apparent that the ones that care on either subject does not have the answers. :police:
Quote from: greatguns on May 25, 2011, 03:42:48 PM
Who cares on either subject! The underwear or Ek Connected. :police: It is apparent that the ones that care on either subject does not have the answers. :police:
I disagree. Those thatthat are watching and reading from Elk Konnected, LLC are doing just that. To cowardly to have a conversation with out their facililatator to control everyone.
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 09:31:13 AM
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."
Opinions are like----no I can't do it-----not nice.
Insanity is far better than being a lemming or a sheeple, that's my definition of insanity.
It's far better than writing yourself a letter bragging about yourself about accomplishments that don't amount to much.
So call me crazy. Even call me a crazy old veteran that believes in freedom of speech. Call me anything your heart desires.
I promise I won't take offence. I have even been called to polite right here on this thread. And did not take offence.
Have a great time name calling.
But hey, while we are conversing. perhaps you can tell me, who are the legal or registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: jarhead on May 25, 2011, 01:33:52 PM
Patriot,
This obsession to your identity seems to be side tracking a few to your quest for answers so let me put the mystery to rest. Now I aint positive---but I think Patriot is Lewis Burwell Puller and he resides at Tun Tavern. It has also been established that you wear Haines but just so my next question is not the next distraction--------------boxers or briefs ?? Please don't answer commando !!!!
I do apologize for not staying on subject so carry on Fly-Boy .:)
Obsession on irrelevant stuff can be good. It keeps non-thinkers and sheeple from focusing on important stuff that might fry their brains.
And that would be General Puller. Just call me Chesty. And just to set the record straight, I left the tavern on my death in '71. I now occupy a cozy little place bout 6' beneath the grassy knoll. Wait... impersonating an officer is wrong. Never mind. :)
Commando? I like that. But let's not encourage prurient interests of chuck and the ladies.
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
If only I knew what?
How deep this river really is.
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?
State your real full name and address.
State your true agenda.
My serial number is 999999999. My name and rank are..... wait! Dontcha wanna know where I was the day JFK was shot? Turn off those damned lights. Gawd No! Not the waterboard!!!!
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Tell us what you expect to get out of this tirade that you are carrying on.
The truth, integrity from government and good management. Or at least some public awareness of the lack thereof.
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 12:43:00 PM
Tell us what you would do to help Elk County progress and not what you wouldn't do.
The day I file to run for public office, you will be among the first to hear my community development plans. In the mean time, let's stick to the current government and all the wise financial planning they've used and the new infrastructure they've created. And all the new business growth, new job growth and population expansion they have or haven't helped encourage. Those are things we should expect, right? Have we gotten them?
Now, what exactly has Elk Konnected, LLC and county government done with their taxpayer monies?
Enjoy your soaps.
Separation of church & state? How about separation of anything & state?
Why does the county government have a 'youth coordinator'? Do our youth need to be coordinated by county government? I thought that's what parents, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, FFA, 4-H, churches and other private organizations did.
And why do registration forms for the Elk Konnected sponsored summer day camp need to be returned to the clerks office in the county courthouse or to a county government PO Box designated for government use by a government employee?
At about $72/yr, can't Elk Konnected, LLC afford a PO Box of its' own?
For that matter, why is a government employee paid with taxpayer money handling mail for a private sector company, and how much are the taxpayers contributing to Jennifer Brummel's wages for that function?
Doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC have an admitted member, employee or private volunteer capable of handling their mail and receiving summer camp registrations?
How blurred must the line between public & private activities & funds become before the silent readers of this thread and others say, "Enough!"?
If you really want to express yourself on these matters, (since we have no other single management focal point) you can probably call or write call your county commissioner at the phone numbers & addresses listed on the official county government website here: http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx (http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx)
Nothing to see here.... move along, move along. All is well.
Who and what is Elk Konnected, LLC?... Really.
This is my opinion of what is happening in our great county.
Our country is in a terrible financial crisis.
Our state is in a terrible financial crisis.
Our county so far is doing pretty good considering the two statements above.
Our school district, well that's a completely different story of disarray, in my opinion.
The subject of this thread however is Elk Konnected, LLC.
My
opinion is the following.
Since Elk Konnected, LLC just won't come out in the open. Instead have a few volunteers trying to cover for them.
So I as a Patriot and a Vietnam Veteran and a Voter and a Taxpayer I have a duty to question their purpose.
They hold what they call community conversations which are not conversations per the definition of a conversation.
con·ver·sa·tion.
noun \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\
Definition of CONVERSATION
(1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an
informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments, institutions,
or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation.
They have
controlled meetings ran by a paid facilitator from Leoti, Wichita County, Kansas whose primary job is to produce for
his employer Elk Konnected, LLC desired results. They have had even more than one facilitator at the meeting to be more in control. How do they control? They have you sign a paper, so they can claim you as a voluntary member. Then they can brag in the newspaper of the great number of people that have shown up at their meeting, (not community conversation). Big difference. What does voluntary membership get you when you sign in. A little sticker with your name on it and a colored star. What is the real purpose of this, I'll get to that in a minute. But you also get to walk in the door, yea. Oh, look at all those chairs arranged in circles, the purpose to control how and where you sit, key word control it is their meeting and they have the right to be in total control. If you don't sit in the circle, here comes the facilitator who is paid to insure that you do. If you say, I would rather not, his job is to c
oerce you by saying you can not be involved it the discussions. After everyone is in a circle, then the facilitator tells them to look at their little star.
Now the little colored star, another control factor. After everyone is in a circle, then the facilitator tells them to look at the little star on your name tag, if it matches the color on anyone else's star we want you to move to another circle. You sit there and wait for the musical chairs to finish playing out. And the controlling facilitator now say's we don't want you sitting with your spouse or your friends so if you have any of the in your circle please move to another circle. Why does this work, why do people play musical chairs for a controlling facilitator. Because he knows the principle of
peer group pressure. You will move, or be made to feel foolish. And if that doesn't work the controlling facilitator would take that opportunity to tell every one you are being uncooperative. He may even hold his microphone up to is mouth and simply say where is the sheriff. If everything goes according to the controlling facilitators predetermined plans then he instructs you on what you may discuss in your circle. Remember this man, the
facilitator has practiced this operation time and time again and has the control plan down pat. Con
trol, control, control.What happens next? One person is suppose to make notes for the circle of the ideas. These notes are then given to other people to process and given label's as to importance such as Idea, Big Idea etc. But wait a minute how do we know these ideas actually came from the citizens? Some may have? How do we know Elk Konnected, LLC members weren't in the circles pushing their own idea's.? We don't because they are secret people. There are no names attached to any of the idea's. Why? If you were to come up with an excellent idea, don't you think you should receive credit? We know Elk Konnected, LLC will take credit, they will run to the County Commissioner's with a list saying see what we did. Because that is just what Elk Konnected, LLC did. But they don't want you to have credit for your idea --- how nice.
Let's look at one of their idea's, and Elk Konnected, LLC labeled it one of their Big Idea's.
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (
do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body)
(Big Ideas's). This is one of their new idea's, but I have been told the idea has been around for many years,
What's wrong with this idea you might ask? Well I have read Elk Konnected, LLC's letters stating they want to bring the individual communities together and to stop the rivalry between them. I just don't believe that statement when in another letter they said they came about because one community in the County chose to put up a fuss and big fight over refuse pick up. Their so called founding member and County Commissioner Liz Hendricks at the County Commissioners meeting said , "We did not mean to be bashing Elk Falls." She said bashing, not me. Now how is that conducive to pulling the communities together, I ask you?
But you could pull the communities together by getting rid of their own city government, their Chamber of Commerce and any other organization they may have and have a
unified government located in Howard maybe controlled by Elk Konnected, LLC whoever they are.
This, was one of the big idea's delivered to the County Commissioners by Elk Konnected, LLC, "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's). but they argue it is not their idea it is a citizens idea.
Give me a break. Make all the excuses you want, you provided the idea and therefore I am certain it is your idea. Remember Control, control, control as in your meetings, and conversations..
In my opinion you have abused our trust and our county government by using County Government resources paid for by taxpayer's dollars. You placed an unauthorized web page on the County Government web site. You have used the County Government automatic crisis calling system. You are a private company and in my opinion have no more right to county resources then any other business in the county. You deny using county taxpayers dollars even when you have someone standing before the County Commissioners asking for money.
There is so much more I could say and/or ask? Like who applied for the grant to pay for the Summer camp this summer? How much was the grant? Who did the grant come from? Who is being paid to administer the summer camp? How much are the volunteers being paid from the grant to run the summer camp? So now we have got to the money issue.
Why is the membership of Elk Konnected, LLC secret/? Why is Elk Konnected afraid to have an actual conversation in this digital age on this forum where the can talk to a large number of citizens of the county.
This media the internet is used b Elk Konnected, LLC in the form of a web site to praise themselves, come on out of hiding.
This is strictly my opinion and as I see Elk Konnected, LLC, it is the way Elk Konnected, presents it's self outside of their own letters of self praise.
If I may so bold as to give a parrallel example as to what I THINK you are tring to say Ross? Clall it spin on your thoughts, but I don't think so:
There are several small towns in Elk County (the county) and each are struggling to survive. So, here comes a group of people (names and intents yet to be determined) that creates an LLC, to preform a funneling of money functions. They hire a well known Kansas State group to find out the main issues in the county (which their fee was paid for by this Elk Konnected, LLC) and then implemented 'some programs' based on some of the issues.
Now, to convolute the issue...one of the Comissoners is a member of this paid group, and yes I did read the letter. I don't think it was appropriate that it came from she, but heck I don't live in that county. Then you stated that this same said comissioner denied the using of taxpayers dollars in public, when in fact it came...and I use this term with caution: INDIRECTLY to the the above mentions programs.
My first knee jerk reaction is: wow, money laundering at the expense of the taxpayer and the county's residents sayso. However, I really think asking who is on the committee, and who is in charge, and why won't they come forward, will in all honesty not be answered on this forum. Why? Don't know.
If the county is so desperate to bring in funds to build the county to tourism, there is a lot more to see in Elk county than Howard...and Howard is good.
Sounds more like a competiton within the towns, and Howard is ahead right now. A unified government for the county? Don't think that will work...That would be like putting all of the New England States in there own district....ain't gonna happen with the residents of Elk County. Each town is proud of their own.
So who is a member of Elk Konnected LLC? Subliminal suggestions? Cautious anxiety? Pure honesty? All will get you yelled at, I am afraid. But, as far as I am concerned, keep asking.
Ready
I do worry about the amount of debt the county has. I do also feel that I do not want to run for county commissioner, to much on my plate. So, what am I to do about the problem of county debt???? If I don't want to run for county commissioner, what do you suggest we do about the county debt?? Please do tell. Also, you do have it wrong about me on alot of things, just so you (Patriot, Ross, and whoever). I worry about the effects of the country, shrinking population and all. I feel the main reason is the economy. People used to be able to afford living out here and driving back and forth to Wichita or other places for jobs, that just isn't the case any more. You want businesses to come out here, it just isn't the time. Economy isn't there for the start up of new jobs right now, my opinion. We are getting more water to rural areas, which is good. Just not the right time for the bigger companies and things to start up in our area. Would be nice though!!!
thank you for that. First, I would look at what the county is spending, and infrastructure is foremost. If you can't get around in the county, no one will go and spend money...that is for starters.
This may sound cold, however I feel that most clubs: 4-H; recreational sports, etc can have their own fundraisers to get samll items. If they don't have uniforms, well sorry. I grew up playing my hardest in the only t-shirt mom gave me, and so did all the other kids. This not the olympics. Asking the comissioners for money when they are strapped is just not cool, in my opinion...unless "they, or one" has 'tapped into some money' that was'nt generated from RE/PP/OG taxes.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 26, 2011, 09:55:21 AM
I do worry about the amount of debt the county has. I do also feel that I do not want to run for county commissioner, to much on my plate. So, what am I to do about the problem of county debt???? If I don't want to run for county commissioner, what do you suggest we do about the county debt?? Please do tell. Also, you do have it wrong about me on alot of things, just so you (Patriot, Ross, and whoever). I worry about the effects of the country, shrinking population and all. I feel the main reason is the economy. People used to be able to afford living out here and driving back and forth to Wichita or other places for jobs, that just isn't the case any more. You want businesses to come out here, it just isn't the time. Economy isn't there for the start up of new jobs right now, my opinion. We are getting more water to rural areas, which is good. Just not the right time for the bigger companies and things to start up in our area. Would be nice though!!!
You're right, the timing now is really bad. This isn't about you or Ross or me. This is about failed policies of county government. The time to prepare was 4, 6, 8 or more years ago. Now, ask yourself, who was driving the bus when we should have been stocking our shelves, so to speak? Who's planning (or poor planning) has failed? Who's running the boat now? How have the agenda, priorities, programs and efforts changed? And how do the likes of Elk Konnected, LLC come in to play? As the saying goes: If nothing changes, nothing changes.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 10:05:28 AM
This may sound cold, however I feel that most clubs: 4-H; recreational sports, etc can have their own fundraisers to get samll items. If they don't have uniforms, well sorry. I grew up playing my hardest in the only t-shirt mom gave me, and so did all the other kids. This not the olympics. Asking the comissioners for money when they are strapped is just not cool, in my opinion...unless "they, or one" has 'tapped into some money' that was'nt generated from RE/PP/OG taxes.
In short... government (taxpayers) should be, at best, the source of
last resort, right?
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 09:43:28 AM
If I may so bold as to give a parrallel example as to what I THINK you are tring to say Ross? Clall it spin on your thoughts, but I don't think so:
There are several small towns in Elk County (the county) and each are struggling to survive. So, here comes a group of people (names and intents yet to be determined) that creates an LLC, to preform a funneling of money functions. They hire a well known Kansas State group to find out the main issues in the county (which their fee was paid for by this Elk Konnected, LLC) and then implemented 'some programs' based on some of the issues.
Now, to convolute the issue...one of the Comissoners is a member of this paid group, and yes I did read the letter. I don't think it was appropriate that it came from she, but heck I don't live in that county. Then you stated that this same said comissioner denied the using of taxpayers dollars in public, when in fact it came...and I use this term with caution: INDIRECTLY to the the above mentions programs.
My first knee jerk reaction is: wow, money laundering at the expense of the taxpayer and the county's residents sayso. However, I really think asking who is on the committee, and who is in charge, and why won't they come forward, will in all honesty not be answered on this forum. Why? Don't know.
If the county is so desperate to bring in funds to build the county to tourism, there is a lot more to see in Elk county than Howard...and Howard is good.
Sounds more like a competiton within the towns, and Howard is ahead right now. A unified government for the county? Don't think that will work...That would be like putting all of the New England States in there own district....ain't gonna happen with the residents of Elk County. Each town is proud of their own.
So who is a member of Elk Konnected LLC? Subliminal suggestions? Cautious anxiety? Pure honesty? All will get you yelled at, I am afraid. But, as far as I am concerned, keep asking.
Ready
Good post readyaimduck, I suppose you could construe that I was saying what you said the way you said it. Does that make sense. LOL I really don't believe Elk Konnected, LLC knows what they want but it appears that it is nothing more than giving out lollipops and praising themselves, who ever they are. Or they would talk right here, right now. What better opportunity ie there for them then now. Doing the things the communities have been doing for themselves. Your post is appreciated by me.
Elk Konnected, LLC
Who applied for the grant to pay for the Summer camp this summer?
Who did the grant come from? How much was the grant?
Who is being paid to administer the summer camp?
How much are the volunteers being paid from the grant to run the summer camp?
If you are Receiving tens of thousands of dollars in grants why do you feel you need Elk County tax payers dollars?
Why not leave the money for the real communities in the county?
I know you think you are a community but suppose you be considerate of real communities.
And how about stepping up to the old proverbial plate and tell us who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
QuoteIn short... government (taxpayers) should be, at best, the source of last resort, right?
In my mind, yesssss. Now try to separate the two! Ergo, this forum!
Ready
QuoteAnd how about stepping up to the old proverbial plate and tell us who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
and pray tell, who were members of the KKK, the anonymous doners to Elk Konnected LLC (the word anonymous is there for a reason( who is a memeber of our local AA? See where this is going? Nothing to hide? perhaps with a pride of being a member. And a member of the AA (Aloholics Anonymous, or NA or Al Anon) are members, however there is no membership other than a common cause. So, perhaps this is or should have been named Elk Konnections LLC Anonymous? Then perhaps there would be some sigh of reief...just thinking outside a box.
Ready
You are radical rainyduck ROFLMBO.
FYI
The upcoming County Commissioners meeting I have been told has been changed to to the holiday.
I have been nformed it is scheduled for 1:00 PM, Tuesday, May 31 in the Elk County courthouse.
It is open to the public and shortly after opening the meeting the floor is opened as a public form
for anyone to speak to them. It is very cordial. Oh I thought i'd mention there is no facilitator or circle of chairs.
And when I spoke with them they were very polite and decent.
There is usually a deputy there. My salute to the deputies :police: good guys.
I did verify the date and time by calling the Clerk's Office.
Back to Elk Konnected, LLC, hello ---- who are you?
I don't believe I have ever said why I use the term Lollopops.
In my opinion the lollipops are to distract us from what Elk Konnected, LLC is really up to.
We as a county employee an Economic Development and Youth Development person who is well educated in doing the job.
And any county monies, if there is money to spare such as the tax from the sale of alcholic beverages in my opinion should go to real communities. Perhaps divided evenly. i have heard that the tax from the sale of alcholic beverages is for the purpose of recreation.
From our county web site:
Welcome to the Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development site. Elk County encompasses Howard, Grenola, Elk Falls, Longton and Moline. http://ks-elk.manatron.com/CountyDepartments/EconomicDevelopment/tabid/3529/Default.aspx
i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.
Quote from: Warph on May 26, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.
LOL
At some point all things end.... one way or another.
Quote from: Warph on May 26, 2011, 11:46:12 AM
i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.
Only if you unsubscribe to this thread. or Elk Konnected, LLC speaks up.
Don't you just love the circle of truthes (trutheves) many a truth? It is a circle of circumvention. Please do not pop that circle....it may explode/implode with gastroinomical abundance! Wehewwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!! who let that one out?
or it may explode/implode with rotton tomatoes...well this one is done!
or, it may explode/implode with a truth....that it is nothing more than a circle of life (good song by the way!)
Ross......lol you are ....so much....argghhh...<<<<spits, coughs.....I think a bubble is about to be popped!!!!!!!!!!!
lol ducky
Why thank you ducky for the diversion.
lol no problem....not unlike a a diversion: a technique of shooting ahead of a moving target so that the target and projectile will collide
Off to do homeland security tasks: sharpen my lawnmower blades...never know!!!!
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
You know what your more annoying than they are. You have no right to tell them to shut the hell up. This isn't your messageboard and the last i checked Teresa doesn't allow anyone to tell someone to shut the hell up. IF YOU Don't like it you don't have to read it.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 24, 2011, 09:26:24 PM
ok Ross and Patriot:
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up. And your commissioner is on that group.
REMEMBER this is a guy that makes over 70,000 for membership fees.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 25, 2011, 07:12:10 AM
CThe businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
That is a big problem. When i used to work for Cox, Bellsouth, AT&T, I ran my business building computers and sold them but i was NOT allowed to sell them to the companies i worked for from 9-5 even though i could save them several thousands of dollars.
The issue was that it leaves a HUGE DOOR open for fraud and favoritism as well as embezzlement. It doesn't mean i would have done it, it means that its a door thats there that has no accountability so therefore it was not allowed. It should be exactly the same thing or those who work for government. NO BUSINESS owner should be allowed to conduct business with the Government of that county if they are a part of that Government. Its like this, either run your business or work for government. Choose a job.
QuoteREMEMBER this is a guy that makes over 70,000 for membership fees.
I am not sure how that applies to a comissioner belonging to this group. He can charge what he wants.
Unless you are drawing a parallelism with that group and the fact they hired the group?? Then, if so I see the connection.
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 05:03:06 PM
I am not sure how that applies to a comissioner belonging to this group. He can charge what he wants.
Unless you are drawing a parallelism with that group and the fact they hired the group?? Then, if so I see the connection.
Ready
Uh huh.....
Someone said,
"ok Ross and Patriot:
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up. And your commissioner is on that group."
No Pubic Square Communities, LLC's web site is at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/ They are nt the group in question they are simply the hired hands of Elk Konneted, LLC.
Elk Konnected, LLC is in Elk County.
Public Square Communities, LLC's is in Whichita County, in the community of Leoti, Kansas.
And they are not even known by Leoti, Kansas by the city employee I talked to on the phone.
They are the company that Elk Konnected, LLC sold an accredation to. As I said in a previous post Elk Konnected told the school board they would soon have state wide accredation. Lets look at that phrase state wide accredation shall we?
Are any of them able to meet the Better Business Bureau of Kansas accreditation standards? No, or they would say so.
How can a company that has no accredation sell accredation to another company?
How can it be statewide with only 15 or 16 customers in just a few counties out of 105 counties?
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are? Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he? Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over. Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.
Patriot: A lot of concern has been made over your identity. Let me be the first to tell you, I don't have to know your identity and I choose to read your posts so you will not hear any griping from me. There are certain peoples' posts on here that I now just naturally skip over because I couldn't care less what they have to say. Others have been told to do that on this particular thread so you and Ross will "shut the hell up." Please don't shut up! Someday you all WILL get your answers and many people will be shocked about it if they can take the blinders off first! That's all I'm going to say on this matter. You two just need to keep up the good fight!---Jennifer
I think I didn't communicate very well in my post. I did go to Public Square Communities' web site and did read several of the testimonies as well as events in a few counties (Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on). I am not in dissagreeance with your chain of thought.
And, I think a sparkle of argument is a healthy way to clear the air. A discussion with questions answers and solutions.
I guess we're 1/3 of the way towards a good discussion? <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)
Why doesn't someone tell us what we are too blind to see? All I am getting is suppositions, no facts. Facts by the way, include names and actions that can be proven. Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are? Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he? Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over. Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.
Hey darlin' I'm here, the perfect "insame asylum" aint life great.
Dang it Patriot quit pulling my leg. You'll pull my artificial knees apart.
You said, " Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over." We are full well aware of what we are saying. And you just don't get it do you? But you know what, no one is forcing you to sit in a circle of chairs or telling you to read this drivil. Have your self a great evening.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 07:31:03 PM
Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.
Only if your on trial.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 07:31:03 PM
Why doesn't someone tell us what we are too blind to see? All I am getting is suppositions, no facts. Facts by the way, include names and actions that can be proven. Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.
Go back and read all the posts with an open mind and you should be able to figure it out. We have mentioned a name or two. and a few facts verified by other members. reread with an open mind and you will find them. It's all been repeated and repeated so much we've been told to shut the heck up. And I believe that was Elk Konnected, LLC that said shut the heck up but they won't come forward in an honest conversation.
Just go back and reread, oop's I repeated myself.
Aslo read http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/
and http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
And try to understand wht you are reading.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 06:53:15 PM
I think I didn't communicate very well in my post. I did go to Public Square Communities' web site and did read several of the testimonies as well as events in a few counties (Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on). I am not in dissagreeance with your chain of thought.
And, I think a sparkle of argument is a healthy way to clear the air. A discussion with questions answers and solutions.
I guess we're 1/3 of the way towards a good discussion? <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)
I didn't take it that way. I was just trying to punctuate what you were saying. I like the sparkle and the <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)
By the way are you a registerd member of Elk Konnected, LLC?You said,"(Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on). " I think you are right. I think Public Square Communities, LLC goes wherever people are desperate. Desperate enough to give him their money. Sorta like an accident chasing lawyer. Desperate enough to write a letter to them selves saying ow great they are doing. Just my opinion.
I can see Public Square Communities, LLC vision, it's $$$$$$$$$ from the desperate. He has figured out all these counties are having a hard time coping with the economy the way it is and is capatilizing on that fact. Just my opinion.
I want your accusations in plain words so that even an 81 year old woman can understand them. Why should anyone have to try to figure out what you are trying to say?
I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC. I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere. I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them. So what is your question that no one will answer? I am pretty sure that the answer is there. Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
I want your accusations in plain words so that even an 81 year old woman can understand them. Why should anyone have to try to figure out what you are trying to say?
I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC. I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere. I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them. So what is your question that no one will answer? I am pretty sure that the answer is there. Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.
It's not my desire to brainwash you or to convert you from Elk Konnected. And you are quite free to believe whatever you want. You can even believe I am a raving lunatic and that's fine with me.
I no we would like to see Elk Konnected, LLC come out of hiding to come forward with the truth, who are the registered member? And to have a conversation with out a facilitator controlling everything. Is that too hard to comprehenr?
I'm out of here, good night.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC. I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere.
Perhaps that's why it's called a 'hidden' agenda. Just a thought.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 09:08:35 PM
I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them. So what is your question that no one will answer? I am pretty sure that the answer is there. Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.
You are finding what is presented for you to find. Try to find the name of the legally admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC. If you find that info, please post it. You work on that, then we will move on to another 'hidden' piece.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are?
If saying it should be run by duly elected officials who are not involved in conflicting activities is 'awful lot', then so be it. Since I'm not a public employee/official, my identity is irrelevant with respect to any questions I may ask or information I present. You just hate having to shoot at a ghost, imo. As to information I present... don't take my word, do some fact checking.
Quote from: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 05:44:44 PM
Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he? Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over. Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.
I'm as serious as a rattlesnake bite. And Ross' legs aren't pretty enough to pull... way to hairy.
I think you meant 'insane' not 'insame'. While that was as rude as anything I've been accused of, consider the consequences if it turns out that I'm quite sane.
QuoteBy the way are you a registerd member of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I can answer that question with a resounding 'NO'
A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. LLCs are popular because, similar to a corporation, owners have limited personal liability for the debts and actions of the LLC. Other features of LLCs are more like a partnership, providing management flexibility and the benefit of pass-through taxation.
Owners of an LLC are called members. Since most states do not restrict ownership, members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit "single member" LLCs, those having only one owner.
Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory. However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 06:17:41 AM
I can answer that question with a resounding 'NO'
A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. LLCs are popular because, similar to a corporation, owners have limited personal liability for the debts and actions of the LLC. Other features of LLCs are more like a partnership, providing management flexibility and the benefit of pass-through taxation.
Owners of an LLC are called members. Since most states do not restrict ownership, members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit "single member" LLCs, those having only one owner.
Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory. However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc
Ready
Sounds like a good way to hide other business's and launder money
The first thought was just that as well as a pyramid scheme, but I thought those word might be a little harsh, without proof, of which I have none. :-X
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 06:17:41 AM
Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory. However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc
Ready
Please look again. Elk Konnected, LLC is registered in Kansas. I've posted the record from the Secretary of State database. No mystery on the structure or state of registration.
Quote from: Patriot on May 05, 2011, 10:37:00 AM
Link to KS secretary of State business listing: https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5 (https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5)
Click on 'Business Entity Database' link
Click on 'By business entity name' link
Enter Elk Konnected in the text block & click 'Search'
When the listing comes up, click the 'View Record' button
Perhaps, I'm naive and to trusting, because non of that even crossed my mind. I have only been concerned about their motives and agenda. Like why have to have so much control, why be so deceptive, why hide. Why refuse to come out and be upfront on this forum with the county citizens. Why hollar at us to "shut the hell up". It leaves me to believe there is a whole lot more to hide than I thought.
Quote from: Ross on May 27, 2011, 08:19:07 AM
Perhaps, I'm naive and to trusting, because non of that even crossed my mind. I have only been concerned about their motives and agenda. Like why have to have so much control, why be so deceptive, why hide. Why refuse to come out and be upfront on this forum with the county citizens. Why hollar at us to "shut the hell up". It leaves me to believe there is a whole lot more to hide than I thought.
Naw, personally I believe they are only hiding from Elk County citizens and that is because it makes the citizens easier to control.
Just my personal opinion. There is nothing that sinister about these people or the people of Elk County. We have the greatest citizens on earth with very friendly attitudes overall.
Thanks for that link, Patriot. That's where I was, but must have been misspelling something.
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 08:48:52 AM
Thanks for that link, Patriot. That's where I was, but must have been misspelling something.
No problem.... now, can ya tell me who the owners are? ;)
and spoil the recent bantering of this thead???? NNaaahhhhhhh! ;D
Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)
Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to? Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft. I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along. I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about. I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak.
Why are you owed any answers above all other people? Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing? Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.
Brought to you by the dark side of the moon. ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)
Prologue.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)
No need to run from truth as many here seem to do. Python should be pleased. Imitation is the greatest form of flattery. :)
Verse 1.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to?
These questions have nothing to do with just everybody who has attended a facilitated conversation or even says they support WK. It has to do with the legal members (owners/partners) and the fact that the, through their company accept and use tax monies. Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 2.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft.
Again, the questions posed have nothing to do and aren't about volunteers, supporters or private citizens who donate. Even a child would see that repeated over and over in this thread. Surely you can too. Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 3.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along.
As the company's influence in government, community 'organization' tactics and use of taxpayer money has increased, so has its' exposure to valid questions from voters, citizens and taxpayers. We do still live in a republic where questioning government alliances is acceptable, no? Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 4.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about. I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak.
Same song as verses one and two above, Diane. Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 5.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Why are you owed any answers above all other people?
See verse 3 above. Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 6.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing?
Ross will have to answer for himself. As for me, I represent myself. As for trust, doesn't come into play given the questions being asked and about whom they are being asked. A side note: There are people here who know me personally and would surely vouch for my trustworthiness. Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Verse 7.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.
Again, speaking for myself:
Possibly but only where tax monies are concerned.
No.
No, and why would they be uncomfortable? Are they doing something wrong?.
That depends. Is the official company doing anything illegal or unethical?
Nothing.
Then you know little about insurance, business structures, business law, and capitalism. Isn't your husband in finance or accounting? If so, ask him.
Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?
Epilogue.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Brought to you by the dark side of the moon. ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)
Can you identify the amount of money paid to date by Elk Connected, LLC to Public Square Communities, LLC for Public Square's training and assistance in using The Delphi Technique & Hegelian Principle to shape public opinion and influence local governments?
Notice how you got clear, concise answers to your valid questions? If anything was unclear, just ask.
Notice how Ross and I get no clear, factual answers, non-responsive comments or wild diversions into irrelevant areas?
Patriot:
How about a list of the tax money that EKLLC has received and what they did with it?
There's probably a whole lot of folks who would like to see that info. You think the E K crowd will ever open up?
Quote from: Wilma on May 27, 2011, 05:47:51 PM
How about a list of the tax money that EKLLC has received and what they did with it?
That would be a nice start. Especially if it shows any state tax dollars received and routed to pay for the services of Public Square Communities, LLC and/or Mr. T. Woodbury.
Can you post that information?
Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...I gather you two are joined at the hip? ;D ;D ;D Anyway, some people aren't sure about several of you as to whether the questions you ask are indeed what your concerns really are. They may wonder who's next for grilling. Some think your questions are a cover up for something negative. A few think you are trying to make them seem to be stupid fools for thinking it was all a good idea when it started.
Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.
You say it isn't about the volunteers, yet one of you asked what the volunteers at something, camp, I think, were paid. Now I thought "volunteer" meant works for free. Why would they be paid anything?
Some just don't trust you. ( plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings answered your questions as to who is who. I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed. One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off. EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement. I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts. And it's E K I believe, not W K. :angel: Keep in mind this is not about me. But is about people who mean a lot to me. I do know a few people out there who aren't on the forum and a number who were and became inactive and some who look but never post. I hear a lot! Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...I gather you two are joined at the hip
After much careful & independent investigation and research, we may be joined at the mind in many cases. But not at the hip.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.
It is not my intent to insult with these questions, but there is no protection in our Constitution against someone feeling insulted. Asking valid questions differs from making statements. Thinking people who read and understand the questions and the focus of the questions will have an entirely different perspective, based on factual analysis and not feelings. And there are a large number of folks, both here and throughout the community who are doing just that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off.
If there was a misinterpretation of the original question, that's unfortunate. There is a big difference between people who identify informally as 'members' and the legally admitted members of an LLC. I'm sure the question was and remains only about the latter. If you, or anyone, does not understand what an LLC 'admitted' member is, the Kansas Statutes regarding Limited Liability Companies is quite clear.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement.
Your statement lacks any basis in fact. How do you know this to be true, especially in light of the fact that a privately owned LLC exists. Are you saying there is some other, informal, group by the same name?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts.
I can empathize. But think how they and others in the community might feel if they were to discover that they had been manipulated, used or controlled by others who were professionally applying very effective & highly sophisticated group control & management techniques to induce them to predetermined conclusions & actions. That would be a terrible shame.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
Some just don't trust you. (plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings answered your questions as to who is who. I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed.
I can appreciate that. Perhaps those attendees should ask themselves who is running the shows they attend. I was taught to look before I leap and that just cause everybody's doing it doesn't make it right or healyhy. However that in no way negates the rights of those who have questions regarding government entanglements, funds and other resources to ask questions and engage in free discussion. No matter the venue.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
I do know a few people out there who aren't on the forum and a number who were and became inactive and some who look but never post. I hear a lot! Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.
Nor do we need abuse of limited taxpayer resources, conflicts of interest or a public being misled.
Now, who are the admitted members of the private company behind our 'open community discussions'?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 03:26:13 PM
Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)
Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to? Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft. I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along. I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about. I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak.
Why are you owed any answers above all other people? Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing? Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.
Brought to you by the dark side of the moon. ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)
Pardon my french, what is all that buul shit. I am no one but a taxpayer, a vietnam veteran and a retired old fart. I have absolutly nothing to gain, nothing period. Elk Konnected had done nothing in their early start up except to hand out lolipops which was fine. Until I realized from reading their letter putting down one of the communities in the county, and I realized that our
county commissioner was
the founding member of Elk Konnected,LLC
that she had also lived in Leoti, Kansas
where Public Squares Communities, LLC is from and
that she is a staff member of Public Squares Communities, LLC
MAJOR CONFLICTS OF INTEREST'S
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Flat out lies about using taxpayers dollars.
They advocate over throwing community governments for a centrally located government in Howard.
Their so called Community Conversations are anything but conversations.
Their Community Conversations are totally controlled by a facilitator
who is hired with my tax dollars to produce the results that Elk Konnected, LLC wants.
I am owed no more than any other taxpayer, honest answers.[/center]
May I asked who recruited you for Elk konnected, LLC.
May I ask how you are such an expert on Elk Konnected, LLC?
May I ask you do you believe in HONESTY?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 06:19:56 PM
Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...[quote I gather you two are joined at the hip? [/quote]
Simple foolishness on your part. We are both taxpayers in this county and have a right to ask theses questions? Are you a taxpayer in this county?
[quote ;D ;D ;D Anyway, some people aren't sure about several of you as to whether the questions you ask are indeed what your concerns really are. [/quote]
Those that maybe part of Elk Konnected, LLC registered members? But you can rest assured they are or I wouldn't ask them.
[quote Some think your questions are a cover up for something negative. [/quote]
We are quite open while Elk Konnected, LLC is not.
[quote A few think you are trying to make them seem to be stupid fools for thinking it was all a good idea when it started. [/quote]
Where do you get this dribble? We are not asking about or to the supposed volunteers.
[quote Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.[/quote] You are quoting who I believe to be a registered member of Elk Konnected that made the remark, "personal vendetta", was he the same one who told us, "To shut the hell up."
[quote You say it isn't about the volunteers, yet one of you asked what the volunteers at something, camp, I think, were paid. Now I thought "volunteer" meant works for free. Why would they be paid anything?[/quote] It happens, just because you are not aware of it, it does happen.
[quote Some just don't trust you. ( plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings answered your questions as to who is who..[/quote] We are not asking volunteers to answer anything, are we?
[quote I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed. One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off...[/quote]
Once again we are not asking about volunteers, are you that dense that you don't understand that?
[quote EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement. ...[/quote]
As a lemming you are welcome to believe that. But WE are not lemmings. Can't you get it. God gave us a brain to think for ourselves without the requirement to be of a mob mind set.
[quote I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts. ...[/quote]
How can you talk for a all them worker bees as you call them? What a fabrication. So you know a few people out here, big deal. Tell them to grow up and speak for themselves.
[quote Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.[/quote]
What do you know? Town rivalry's go on all the time all over the country. What do you propose, let Elk Konnected, LLC run the county???????????
If you know so much about Elk County and Elk Konnected, LLC how about sharing with us. Tell us who the registered members are? And we will move on from there, Okay.
Westboro Baptist Church
http://www.scaddistrict.com/?p=18903
I believe in God, and I am thankful to him that I did not lose any of my loved ones in the tornado in Joplin. They were very close to the tornado.
I was invited to a peaceful protest this weekend in Joplin by a few of my loved ones in Joplin, but I wasn't informed about what it was for. I had to ask. The Westboro Baptist Church is engaging in another of their ugly activities. I have never been involved in a protest, peaceful or otherwise. I won't be going to this protest either. I do have a guest at my home for the memorial day weekend. But even if I did not have company I still would not have gone. I don't believe a peacefull protest will acccomplish anything.
But, I would ask each of these people to regain their own personalities. I would ask each of these people to think for themselves. I would ask each of these people to regain their own individualism. In other words don't be sheeple.
These people know that what they are doing is right. Why? Because they have been told so, so many times by the organization. And they are voluntarily doing what they are told. They don't ask questions, they just follow.
This is just another group of people that were given lollipops of some kind and will FOLLOW and do as they are instructed by a couple of people. Why? Peer group pressure, the need to belong to a group (acceptance), (sheeple) and mob mentality. With out these followers the few that run the organization would be nothing. They are not to be despised, but should be prayed for.
When the man stops providing lollipops and says pass out the Koolaid these people will drink it. The big lollipop has now been given, we will be your salvation. Even though it failed, it is being given again. You will fail if you don't follow us and do as you are told, we are your salvation. Now, it's is a new date October, 21 2011. The biggest lollipop will be the cup of Koolaid and we will go to our reward as a GROUP and they will drink.
Remember Waco, Texas?
Follow us, follow us, This group also praises itself. The people need your prayers not your anger.
These people keep offering salvation to their congregation and failure if you don't FOLLOW and do what they tell them, or ask of them.
Pray for those folks to open their eyes and minds and start thinking for themselves as individuals.
These "people"...and I use that term loosely are mostly one FAMILY...the preacher is the father of most of them. I WILL be at the protest to block them. They disgust me. They are the nut-case side of "getting back to our Christian values"
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on May 28, 2011, 06:25:16 AM
These "people"...and I use that term loosely are mostly one FAMILY...the preacher is the father of most of them. I WILL be at the protest to block them. They disgust me. They are the nut-case side of "getting back to our Christian values"
They have
followers, they are not outhere by themselves. I agree they, the leaders are disgusting. Did you hear about the
follower, the mother that slit her two childrens throats so they would not have to suffer the end of the world. She failed with her own suicide. She wasn't thinking for herself, she was f
ollowing what she was told. That church was the "ONE" for her, the group that lead her. She was a sheeple.
The group mentallity is to protest and that church thrives on it. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
Quote from: Ross on May 28, 2011, 07:07:27 AM
The group mentallity is to protest and that church thrives on it. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
Group mentalities are surprisingly easy to create with advanced techniques that employ the Hegelian 'consensus' process of leading people. When people in a group are led by someone who only 'facilitates' and that 'leader' is well versed in group dynamics they can be rather easily led to believe an idea is theirs, then they will defend it vigorously.
Kinda like the way community conversations operate across the country. Consensus or one mindedness is the goal. Isolated small groups, likable facilitators, ideas brought up, dissenters ostracized as 'blocking the process', little pieces of paper carry individual ideas to the leader, group takes the leader's word on the final input tally (consensus), no open debate, group assumes leader is presenting the majority view so they follow.... or are
mislead. Of course, very few (other than the leadership) really know what was on all those papers. Do they?
That's why I ask who is Elk Konnected,LLC, who runs the show. The followers/volunteers themselves should be interested in who they are following. I use the word followers becaus I have been informed that is what the are refered to behind the closed door of Elk Konnected, LLC. So, why doesn't tell everyone who they are exactly?
These will be my last comments on this subject because I can tell I am making a few angry which was not at all my intent
You apparently think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently? They can't think for themselves already? Perhaps they totally agree with how things are being handled and do know the ins and outs, have weighed the positives against the negatives and chose to go in the directions they are going with full knowledge. Perhaps they don't see anything sinister in the slips of paper and seating arrangements that apparently bother you. Even Robert's Rules allow a secret ballot on sensitive subjects.
Not everybody is a John Hancock but that doesn't mean they are less capable. You have presented enough questions that people could go back and find out the organizational details now, if they didn't back in the beginning. You could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.
Again, money seems to be an issue. I would think that spending money ,even tax money sometimes, for those hot dogs and "lollipops" would benefit one of your local vendors and be good for the economy, as are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events. Even as a tax deduction for a donator ( I know some things have local sponsors.) Those free movies that get shown might be rented somehow. Doesn't somebody make some local money from that? I could be wrong on that one. Aren't taxes meant to be spent? Is the real problem a difference of opinion as to how?
For me personally, my family paid taxes there for much longer than any of us on here have been alive. This is my last comment unless someone asks a question I feel I need to answer. Hope you all are having nice weather for all your activities this weekend.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
These will be my last comments on this subject because I can tell I am making a few angry which was not at all my intent
You apparently think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently? They can't think for themselves already? Perhaps they totally agree with how things are being handled and do know the ins and outs, have weighed the positives against the negatives and chose to go in the directions they are going with full knowledge. Perhaps they don't see anything sinister in the slips of paper and seating arrangements that apparently bother you. Even Robert's Rules allow a secret ballot on sensitive subjects.
Not everybody is a John Hancock but that doesn't mean they are less capable. You have presented enough questions that people could go back and find out the organizational details now, if they didn't back in the beginning. You could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.
Again, money seems to be an issue. I would think that spending money ,even tax money sometimes, for those hot dogs and "lollipops" would benefit one of your local vendors and be good for the economy, as are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events. Even as a tax deduction for a donator ( I know some things have local sponsors.) Those free movies that get shown might be rented somehow. Doesn't somebody make some local money from that? I could be wrong on that one. Aren't taxes meant to be spent? Is the real problem a difference of opinion as to how?
For me personally, my family paid taxes there for much longer than any of us on this unless some one asks a question I feel I need to answer. Hope you all are having nice weather for all your activities this weekend.
You said, "are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events." You are confusing the issues, These are not Elk Konnected, LLC functions yet. They are the functions of individual communities that have been going on for years. But it sounds to me like you want Elk Konnected, LLC to take full control of the county then those functions would be controlled by Elk Konnected, LLC.
You said, "Aren't taxes meant to be spent?" Yes, but not foolishly. The county has debts to pay and road machinery & fire department nd many other things tto maintain. Do you suggest because we have a county commissioner on Elk Konnected, we cater to them?
You said, "You apparently think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently?" You just don't get it. There is a big difference between the us of the words one is used behind closed doors, think about that. The other openly. After letting that sink in, do you get it?
Let me explainit this way. In the service men would call their supervisors "fly" behind their back, what's signifacant about that. A fly is just a simple litttle insect, nothing significant, But think what does a fly do? Eats sh@t and bothers people. Wake up.
You said, "It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record." No, not all the information is.
We are interested in Elk Konnected, LLC's registered members coming out of the closet
and having a conversation. Who, who, whoo are you?
We had a pretty nice day and the reat of the weekend is suppose to be the same. I hope your weekend is clear and beautiful.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
Aren't taxes meant to be spent?
Absolutely. Only on Necessary Operational expenses of the Government. Not some organizations personal slush fund. Anything outside of necessary things like infrastructure, salaries of its people that work for it(even that is budgeted and watched), but not for as someone said football jerseys, and baseballs. Let the parents of the kids pay for those things or some company pay for it out of their pockets by sponsoring.
This is why OUR GOVERNMENT Is out of control today at 14+ trillion dollars. Everyone is treating it as a personal slush fund.
w
QuoteYou could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.
The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2. The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3. Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4. Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?
I may be off base in the above, yet as an outsider I would questions the methods and procedures.
Our weather is beautiful here, enjoy your weekend!
Ready
Quote from: srkruzich on May 29, 2011, 07:27:55 AM
Absolutely. Only on Necessary Operational expenses of the Government. Not some organizations personal slush fund. Anything outside of necessary things like infrastructure, salaries of its people that work for it(even that is budgeted and watched), but not for as someone said football jerseys, and baseballs. Let the parents of the kids pay for those things or some company pay for it out of their pockets by sponsoring.
This is why OUR GOVERNMENT Is out of control today at 14+ trillion dollars. Everyone is treating it as a personal slush fund.
w
AMEN
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 08:16:13 AM
The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2. The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3. Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4. Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?
Ready
The names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?
Be on my way to Joplin shortly......Ross......no doubt those "people" thrive on what they consider attention but if you think lettin them tell grieving parents, husbands, wives and children that their deceased had it comin AT THE F-in funeral and spittin in their faces is not somethin that ought to be stopped by any means necessary I feel REAL sorry for YOU
You guys and your "sheeple" shit...evidently the only people who ARENT sheeple are the ones who agree with YOU!! Anybody who doesnt agree with YOU "ate the lollipop" WHATTHEHELLEVER.
I WONT be readin so dont bother tryin to "shame" me for my language or anything because I said what I meant and meant what I said...Have a nice day :)
you're like don quixote tiltin at windmills dude
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 08:16:13 AM
The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2. The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3. Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4. Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?
I may be off base in the above, yet as an outsider I would questions the methods and procedures.
Our weather is beautiful here, enjoy your weekend!
Ready
Well said. Those answers would make a very good start.
Note: 1) This is a PRIVATELY OWNED company, and; 2) lawful membership (ownership) can change by an organizational arrangement from time to time. Just like a registered partnership, and; 3) Volunteers and other supporters are NOT the same as owners.
There are answers.
QuoteThe names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?
Uh, mom if you were referring to me, and since you edited that last part....I did state that it was already posted, and that I am not from your county, but it was IMHO (In My Honest Opinion) and was just asking unbiased questions.
If, perhaps some members would say who they are then those that are interested can go meet them face to face, one on one.
God Bless those that fell before our time, either in conflict or natural. This weekend is to honor those.
Ready
Quote from: Mom70x7 on May 29, 2011, 09:11:47 AM
The names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?
Well, since 'officers' is a term used to designate a legal position in a corporation, it does not really mean much here. An LLC has 'admitted members and sometimes 'managing members', Language is important, at least that's what the good teachers I had used to say.
If these people are smart enough to rebuild, reshape and LEAD a whole county, surely they are smart enough to know these things? If not, then a whole new set of questions arise.
Now, if the names of the original admitted members is here, I can't find em. Would you please quote that post here? Or provide the link to it.
Until then... who are the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC? Is there a properly appointed managing member?
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
If, perhaps some members would say who they are then those that are interested can go meet them face to face, one on one.
Yup. If they would identify here, it would also be helpful if they would be willing to answer remaining questions in an open public forum such as this as well. Public forums provide so much nice sunshine and fresh air, don't you agree? Not to mention the chance to avoid the "he said/she said" and misquotation problems.
Will a real admitted EK, LLC member/manager please stand up?
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
God Bless those that fell before our time, either in conflict or natural. This weekend is to honor those.
Amen.
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? Do any of them know that they are being questioned? There is a link to the postings of the memberships. I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted. All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings. I found it. You can, too. Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.
I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee. All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for. If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
Quoteshut up and sit down
wow, just wow! :o
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 10:42:58 AM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? Do any of them know that they are being questioned? There is a link to the postings of the memberships. I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted. All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings. I found it. You can, too. Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.
I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee. All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for. If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.
OK lady, I did some research... I've just waded through all 150+ of Mrs Hendricks posts on this forum. Aside from her involvement in family and other Mutual Admiration Society cheer leading, updates on her recreational activities, her endearment to you over your whining about profanity in your neighborhood, ramblings about the school changes in past years and a propensity to gloat about abilities of EK to suck money out of the public grant trough, there are no answers to our current questions.
The 'Elk Konnected' names she identified were in posts made well before Elk Konnected, LLC was legally formed in Kansas: 09/30/2009
So the questions remain.
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 10:42:58 AM
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
Like Ready said, "Wow, just wow!"
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 10:42:58 AM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? Do any of them know that they are being questioned?
One more thing. If you believe they're not reading or being updated on this thread, you're screwier than a fruit bat.
Quote from Wilma:
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
Wow is right Patriot. This rudeness coming on Memorial / Decoration Day weekend. The holiday to honor our fallen military brothers & sisters. This is your and Ross's punishment for not getting killed in a war, like all good soldiers are supposed to do. Kinda takes you back to the "60's" huh ?
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 10:42:58 AM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? Do any of them know that they are being questioned? There is a link to the postings of the memberships. I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted. All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings. I found it. You can, too. Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.
I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee. All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for. If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
[quote Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? [/quote]
Sure they are, or they have people reporting to them. You can bet on it.
[quote instead of repeating over and over [/quote]
Perhaps we don't mind repeating ourselves, and perhaps the registered Elk Konnected, LLC people will eventually speak up.
[quote I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee. [/quote]
Perhaps you are easily impressed or lead. But are they the registered members or just more followers/ volunteers.
[quote make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.[/quote]
We have made an appointment with them right here. They want to have public community conversations. How much more of a public community conversation can they hav then right here.
[quote Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.[/quote]
Why yes ma'am it has been said. But it wasn't the owners of this web site. I do believe they have that say. So, we just basically ignored that message.
I believe the owners of the site believe in free speech and God bless them for that.
Will the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members please come out and talk with us the public in Elk County, Kansas?
Quote from: jarhead on May 29, 2011, 12:01:40 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
Wow is right Patriot. This rudeness coming on Memorial / Decoration Day weekend. The holiday to honor our fallen military brothers & sisters. This is your and Ross's punishment for not getting killed in a war, like all good soldiers are supposed to do. Kinda takes you back to the "60's" huh ?
The 60's, and the 70's and a healthy chunk of the 80's. Ahhh, the memories: "I hear hair growing." , "Murderer.", "Go to hell, warmongering babykiller!", troops being spat upon... in US ariports, train and bus stations & stores, even here in Kansas.... yup, those were the days... and still are. Many here just don't know... what they had, and still have, thier afternoon soaps and NBC News.... and the right to spout bullcrap like, "sit down & shut up."
P.S. Thanks for your service Jarhead.
Thank you Jarhead, Patriot, Ross and everyone who served. Your service, even though you didn't die for it, gives me my rights as a free American. I sure thank you all for it! And you won't hear me telling you to sit down and shut up. That's just rude!---Jennifer
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people. When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing. Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.
That would be cyber bullying if it is done on the internet. It's bullying whether or not it's done on the internet or not. But this is not considered harrassment. It is a group of people wanting answers to questions. And I will guarantee that the EK members do know what is being said on this forum, whether they are reading it first hand or having it gossiped to them 2nd hand.
Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety. Harassment is unwanted, unwelcomed and uninvited behavior that demeans, threatens or offends the victim and results in a hostile environment for the victim. Harassing behavior may include, but is not limited to, epithets, derogatory comments or slurs and lewd propositions, assault, impeding or blocking movement, offensive touching or any physical interference with normal work or movement, and visual insults, such as derogatory posters or cartoons.
The following is an example of a state law dealing with harassment:
"S 240.25 Harassment in the first degree.
A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury. This section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.
Harassment in the first degree is a class B misdemeanor.
S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.
A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:
He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.
Harassment in the second degree is a violation.
S 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:
Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or
Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or
Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.
Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.
S 240.31 Aggravated harassment in the first degree.
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the first degree when with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, he or she:
Damages premises primarily used for religious purposes, or acquired pursuant to section six of the religious corporation law and maintained for purposes of religious instruction, and the damage to the premises exceeds fifty dollars; or
Commits the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree in the manner proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 of this article and has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree for the commission of conduct proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 or he has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the first degree within the preceding ten years.
Aggravated harassment in the first degree is a class E felony.
S 240.32 Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate.
An inmate or respondent is guilty of aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm a person in a facility whom he knows or reasonably should know to be an employee of such facility or the division of parole or the office of mental health, or a probation department, bureau or unit or a police officer, he causes or attempts to cause such employee to come into contact with blood, seminal fluid, urine or feces, by throwing, tossing or expelling such fluid or material.
For purposes of this section, "inmate" means an inmate or detainee in a correctional facility, local correctional facility or a hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law. For purposes of this section, "respondent" means a juvenile in a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services who is placed with or committed to the office of children and family services. For purposes of this section, "facility" means a correctional facility or local correctional facility, hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law, or a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services.
Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate is a class E felony."
Well we've tried slander, and that didn't fit. And since it is not my intent to annoy or alarm, we will have to find another shoe to see if it fits. We have been seeking answers to perfectly valid questions involving the use of taxpayer monies and the entanglements between a private company and government. Moreover, any readers have come here voluntarily and were not sought out. Maybe the non-answers that have been given here, with the associated inferences that the questioners have nefarious reasons for asking is, itself, libel or harassment. Hmmmmm.
I have only one thing to say in my defense.... How much total taxpayer money has been used by Elk Konnected, LLC to pay Terry Woodbury and his company for their professional consulting and facilitation services?
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 04:34:01 PM
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people. When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing. Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.
(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1105/mud-slinging-and-smear-tactics-mud-slinger-season-political-poster-1306524899.jpg)
Patriot, the answer to your question about taxpayer money can be found at the courthhouse. It is in the minutes of the commissioners meetings, in the disbursements of the treasurer's office. It is all public record. Just go ask.
I am reminded of something my father told me a long time ago. "The empty wagon rattles the loudest."
Quote from Wilma:
I am reminded of something my father told me a long time ago. "The empty wagon rattles the loudest."
Good one Wilma. Them old timers sure had a way with words. I love them. One of my favorites is--" Wisdom does not always come with old age, sometimes old age arrives all alone"
The older I get the more I believe in that. ;)
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 08:58:09 PM
Patriot, the answer to your question about taxpayer money can be found at the courthhouse. It is in the minutes of the commissioners meetings, in the disbursements of the treasurer's office. It is all public record. Just go ask.
Since the question was about Elk Konnected LLCs disbursement of those tax monies (city, county, state & federal) the county treasurer will be of little help. But thanks for trying to save the LLCs bacon. In the future, however, much energy could be saved if you would read the questions more carefully and refrain from trying to answer questions about which you have no understanding or firsthand knowledge.
Quote from: jarhead on May 29, 2011, 09:12:50 PM
Good one Wilma. Them old timers sure had a way with words. I love them. One of my favorites is--" Wisdom does not always come with old age, sometimes old age arrives all alone"
The older I get the more I believe in that. ;)
I always liked money "talks & bullsh*t walks". Of course, sometimes taxpayer money gets awful quiet & answers about its' use seem to walk away from questions about its' use. Also notice, I'm still here & not walking...
Has Elk Konnected, LLC received nonprofit status under IRS Section 501(c)(3), or is it a for profit company?
You can't call it taxpayer money until you know that it came from the county or are you talking about federal grants, etc. which anyone that qualifies is entitled to by simply applying for it. An application doesn't mean that the money will be granted. You need to find out where the money came from and if it isn't taxpayer money, the organization doesn't have to account for where it goes. I think that you will find that in Ms. Hendricks early posts she stated that all the money they had used was raised from private donation. I don't remember anything about asking the county for money at that time.
By the way, why aren't you questioning the other organizations that receive public funds? What are they doing with all of it? Is it all being used for the purpose stated?
In other words, why are you picking on one organization?
QuoteBy the way, why aren't you questioning the other organizations that receive public funds?
Are there any other organizations that a county comissioner is so actively involved?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 06:46:11 AM
You can't call it taxpayer money until you know that it came from the county or are you talking about federal grants, etc...
Grant money is taxpayer money. Where does the government get it? The last time I checked, all government receives its' money from the taxpayer. And government does not earn money, it captures money through fees & taxation or by borrowing & government debt is taxpayer debt. Ergo, any money paid out by government is taxpayer money. I see that government schools were failing earlier than I originally thought.
We have no concern about grant money received from private entities. We're intelligent enough to make the distinction.
Now how much total government grant money has Elk Konnected, LLC received? For that matter, how much have they applied for?
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 09:11:33 AM
Are there any other organizations that a county comissioner is so actively involved?
And an organization that is also directly involved in allegedly obtaining public input used to influence votes on public policy or obtains county tax money while still voting on those issues.
In other words, you aren't getting what you want? Right? You are peeved because you are being ignored. Any member of the EKLLC has the right to refuse to come on the forum and debate what you want to debate. You have the right to continue to ask them questions, if you want, but have you ever heard of butting your head against a stone wall? I wouldn't give you any answers now, even if I had any.
My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum. What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it. And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.
I hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that. Most of the citizens of Elk County are as upstanding as you can find. There are a few though, that don't like anything that they didn't think of first. And if they aren't treated like royalty when they show up someplace, they are offended and swear that they will never go back. Instead they just bad mouth the organization by any means possible. Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.
It is good to stand back and get a little perspective. It is easy to feel like the Forum is Elk Co. Just a small percentage of the county probably even looks at the this. Out of that probably a small percentage could care less. However, it does serve as an audience for those looking for one. In the grand scheme of things, this little thread is BUPKUS.
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 10:37:48 AM
My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum. What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it. And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.
Letting us do it? From what despot government egg did you hatch? Letting us do it?
Come on Wilma, who's telling you what to post here? Surely you aren't personally so ignorant of government affairs, the Constitution and free speech! Perhaps some readers don't defend, because they know we are right.
Ok, which Elk Konnected manager is coaching you?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 10:37:48 AM
Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.
No, judge by reason based on the logic and facts presented. Judge with a soiund knowledge of how government is expected to behave, judge on matters of fact, not emotion. Judge knowing that our county has been shrinking for years under the same leadership. Judge knowing that ACORN style 'community organization' erodes government's proper roles.
Quote from: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 10:55:53 AM
Ok, which Elk Konnected manager is coaching you?
Now, that's just funny. If you think Wilma is being "coached" then you don't know Wilma!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from Wilma:
hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that
Whoa there Hoss !! Which one of the hanger -oners (is that a word ?? ) are you calling an idiot ? The ones asking the questions or the ones telling them to shut the hell up ? Please clear this up.
Respectfully: A Possible/ probably Elk County Idiot
QuotePlease don't shut up! Someday you all WILL get your answers and many people will be shocked about it if they can take the blinders off first! That's all I'm going to say on this matter. You two just need to keep up the good fight!
It took me a while to find this post, but that comment has stuck in my craw for several days. My craw lives in my basement! ;D
Blinders can be applied to both sides having this discussion! Crap, I have spent more time on this thread then I have watching my favorite soaps. And to be honest, the soaps have the same scenes and drama day after day...I missed one whole year, and picked up right where I left off. So, for those of you that want this thread to cease and disist....then, there is an X at the upper right hand corner of your screen...please feel free to use it.
Otherwise, the opposite of the old adage "WHat you dont know can't hurt you" may not be applicable here.
Ready
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 06:46:11 AM
I think that you will find that in Ms. Hendricks early posts she stated that all the money they had used was raised from private donation. I don't remember anything about asking the county for money at that time.
key words...AT THAT TIME.
thank you kshibilly. I am sure there is more to this....perhaps convoluted? Either way, as long as it is not a "bait and switch" I can live with the answers in time....just can't live with anyone else! :-\
thank you.
ready
Quote from: jarhead on May 30, 2011, 11:25:01 AM
Quote from Wilma:
hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that
Whoa there Hoss !! Which one of the hanger -oners (is that a word ?? ) are you calling an idiot ? The ones asking the questions or the ones telling them to shut the hell up ? Please clear this up.
Respectfully: A Possible/ probably Elk County Idiot
I would take that comment to mean that anyone reading this thread is a "hanger on" so therefore ALL people reading this thread are the idiots! Sticks and stones, Jarhead, sticks and stones!
yes....hanger-oners is actually a word:
"The jury found that there was impropriety going on in a trial, so the jury came back with the verdict:
"There is only one verdict: hang-yer-honers"
:P
ready
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 10:37:48 AM
My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum. What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it. And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.
That is because they are required to answer to us. IF we want toknow where the money is going, then they as public SERVANTs have to account for the money.
Are they required to answer on a public forum? Isn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse? Or if someone perceive's impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county. I can't think of what that committee is called, but they are the ones that nominate the replacement for an empty seat. At the very least, there is always the recall of the elected official of which I have heard nothing.
Why is this being done on cyberspace? Why is it being shared with the whole world? Don't you think you can get enough support within the county? And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do? And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything. A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County". Just what is your motive?
Jarhead: You definitely are not a hanger-on. You and Sarge are two of the most sensible people that post on this forum and I enjoy your posts especially when you are joshing each other.
QuoteTo attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument
defention of "impugned" for all of us idiots thinking of moving to Elk County. (And by the way, I did live in Elk County for 5 years..)
A forum is about discussion, different ideas and yes, some heated discussion.
It is open to the public and viewable by anyone who has an internet. or, who is sitting next to the person that has one.
If Elk Konnected LLC was formed in '99 what did the other comissioners say about this LLC and it's helping the community...I am thinking its injest was just the start. Jontra was a teacher at one time...and he had nothing to say, if it was on the up and up?
Ready
Well, idiot or not, I remain because I refuse to be manipulated, shamed or ordered into silence or submission by those who use deflection to divert the debate who refuse to adequately address simple, valid and straightforward questions. Questions regarding the acceptance and uses of taxpayer monies by private entities. Questions about the appropriateness of the actions and involvements of elected officials in the activities of the same private entities. Questions about the use of professional facilitation techniques that purport to determine public opinion using non-democratic methods and then use those 'findings' to attempt to influence decisions of elected officials in matters where the elected officials may have employed the very facilitators who obtain the claimed 'public opinion. Questions about why the same government officials persist in voting (rather than recusing) to award taxpayer monies to those who represent the very company in which they themselves may play a managing role. As well as others questions involving government officials and taxpayer funded resources.
Why do elected commissioners refuse to have open debate at public hearings regarding the use of taxpayer monies?
Why do some commissioners refer to public input at such forums 'bitching that they would rather not listen to?
Why do some elected officials instead prefer to allow privately owned concerns do their jobs of talking directly with their constituents at large?
Why do some elected officials encourage the community organization tactics (of a private company that they openly support) that necessitate a of paying a third party specialist to simply determine public opinion in a population of less than 3000?
So, who owns Elk Konnected, LLC, and who privately sets their public agenda and makes decisions about outside specialists they employ...... and why?
Wilma, why are you so against this thread? Is it because you are embarrassed, or you think the method of questioning is wrong in this arena....??? I think there are facts that have been brought to the light that really need to be addressed. Ross and others are trying to address it. Go ahead and shoot......
.....aim ....duck
I should have used the word "onset"....as not to confuse my bad :'( :'(
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Are they required to answer on a public forum?
No. But their continued silence is deafening to some.
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Isn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse?
And sometimes in the court of public opinion.
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Or if someone perceive's impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county.
Or some higher official, for that matter. And what makes you think it hasn't been?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Why is this being done on cyberspace? Why is it being shared with the whole world?
Why shouldn't it be? Is there something involving local government that needs to be hidden?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Don't you think you can get enough support within the county?
Do you think our questions and the need for answers are totally unsupported by local taxpayers and voters?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do? And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything.
"Page of words that don't mean anything"... sorta like your posts and those of others that evade the issues being addressed?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County". Just what is your motive?
I, personally, have no interest in getting anyone who doesn't deserve to be gotten. What I want is honest debate, discussion, and truth. Why does it need to be about 'getting' someone? As to public corruption, that answer should be self apparent.
Once again, your questions have been answered, ours have not. Interesting.
kshillbillys: By my own definition, I am an idiot, too. But I do not like the talk about elected officials that is going on without any facts being presented.
Thank you, Mom, you are absolutely right. I don't have to be told what to think by anyone or about anything.
Ready, don't you think that if there was something wrong, that Mr. Jontra would have had something to say about it. And the rest of you, don't you think that Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz would be doing something about it?
Patriot: Is this private entity that you are talking about, a business for profit or a non-profit organization for the benefit of Elk County citizens?
Ready: I never did believe in hanging my dirty laundry out on the line for everyone to see. Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county. I don't like the method that is being used. There are surely other means to the end, like the ones mentioned in my previous post. I don't think that calling someone out is the best way to make progress. It certainly isn't working here, is it?
Two hours later. I had company drop in and had to let this wait. I think I have said about everything I need to for now except for one thing.
Ready, if there are things that have been brought out and they are illegal, then it is time for action, not words. And the legal process is NOT demanding that someone come on this forum and answer questions. As far as I am concerned the honest, upright citizens of this county will take action if it is necessary. So far, I haven't seen anything to make that action necessary.
If Patriot and Ross have something that we should all know, then it is time to at least take it to the Democratic Committee for their consideration. Maybe that isn't the place to start, either. I don't know, but I am sure that it isn't airing it in front of the entire universe.
Patriot, so you think there is public corruption involved here. Just who do you think is involved and why? And don't tell me again about seed money or grants or donations unless you think one or more of our elected officials are pocketing some of it. And if you make that accusation, you had better be ready to prove it. As far as I am concerned, it has been posted as to where the money came from and where it went and I don't see any of it being used for the benefit of anyone except the citizens of Elk County. Just how could ONE of our commissioners pull this off or do you think all three of them are involved. After all, it does take two votes to pass anything.
I know you are talking about federal grants, etc. which do come from our tax money, but you still have to prove that it is being used to line someone's pocket instead of the intended purpose. Why can't you name the grants, etc.. the amounts, where and how much went where?
QuoteAnything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county. I don't like the method that is being used. There are surely other means to the end, like the ones mentioned in my previous post. I don't think that calling someone out is the best way to make progress. It certainly isn't working here, is it?
I don't know about whether it is working, ma'am however if "you have nothing to hide, no harm, no foul"
"Calling someone (or in this case, a situation) out is not about one particular person, it is about an entity"
I think your statement says alot about you, Wilma: "Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county."
That statement is a very sad state as to anyone in Elk County...if they acknowledge that there is something out of whack.
Tell you what, I will agree to disagree with you, and good luck with your 'own' laundry.
QuoteReady, don't you think that if there was something wrong, that Mr. Jontra would have had something to say about it. And the rest of you, don't you think that Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz would be doing something about it?
Ready
Perhaps it is a 2-1 vote then, as it is now?
Quote from: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 04:34:01 PM
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people. When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing. Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.
You have your opinion, and you are entitled to it,we have ours and are entitled to our opinion. We have not been rude by telling anyone to "Shut the Hell up".
My guess is that was an Elk Konnected, LLC registered member but they are to afraid to have a real conversation.
I don't see where we are harrassing other people we are talking to a company that claims to be here for our good as county citizens.
They have a few followers called volunteers but they won't say who they themselves (Elk Konnected, LLC) are. They just want to use kids as a tool to get our taxdollars with out saying who they are. Why?
Someone said they are well respected people, then why hide? Are they well respected like President Clinton and Monica Lewinski, are they well respected like the wall street people that have drove our country into financial crisis. What??? They are so well respected so they are hiding.
Who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 10:37:48 AM
Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.
Also please don't judge us by the shenanigans of a very few that are involved with elk Konnected, LLC. The few that are in hiding. To cowardly to come forward and have a decent conversation. But are not to proud to write letters as a third person patting themselves on the back.
Instead llok and see for your self who is on the staff of Public Squares Communities,LLC (the company hired by Elk Konnected, LLC) our County Commissioner -- Liz Hendricks
Click the word Staff and read the drop down at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/
See who is listed on Elk Konnected, LLC's webpage --- our County Commissioner ---Liz Hendricks listed as our County Commissioner
and her brother-in-law.
At http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
See how Elk Konnected, LLC slams one of our communities for not following what Elk Konnected, LLC wanted them to do. They have their own city council them and made their own decisions. I ask is Elk Konnected, LLC going to start telling us where we can shop.
It reads, "In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
The county wide trash service is a private company in competition with other private companies.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
Read the letter from or County Commissioner --- Liz Hendricks --- to herself as Elk Konnected, LLC at
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
Then make up your own mind, and no it's not but a few people in Elk County, that are being taken in by this organization that refuses to talk openly with out an outsider fro Wichita, Kansas controlling every move at so called community conversations. They are anything but community conversations.
Also see http://www.cascity.com/howard/?p=21 about
Our suggestions are to use more aggressively the tools we now have in place. The Prairie Star published by Taylor News (www.taylornews.org) and the Elk County Forum (www.cascity.com/howard) hosted by Teresa Heilevang.
All area libraries have computer labs and some have wireless capabilities for those who do not have high speed access.
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be. Have you tried doing it the right way?
Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 03:45:26 PM
Ready: I never did believe in hanging my dirty laundry out on the line for everyone to see. Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county. I don't like the method that is being used.
That's rich, Elk Konnected, LLC does it all over the internet. But we are not to do it. Is that right.
See how Elk Konnected, LLC slams one of our communities for not following what Elk Konnected, LLC wanted them to do. They have their own city council them and made their own decisions. I ask is Elk Konnected, LLC going to start telling us where we can shop.
It reads, "In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
The county wide trash service is a private company in competition with other private companies.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
Is that staying in the county or any of the other links of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Is bringing in an outsider to rule over so called community conversations, keeping it in the county.
Where are your ethics? Are you saying asking questions of this organization airing dirty laundry?????
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC ?????
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be. Have you tried doing it the right way?
Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215
Why don't you use that to report the harrassment and bullying you have accused us of?
We want Elk Konnected, LLC to come forward, come out in the open and have a real conversation.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
Have you tried doing it the right way?
So you are saying that free public speech in a republic is the WRONG way? Interesting view Wilma, even if wrongheaded.
Why would legal action be your first approach? Wouldn't open public discussion and debate be a better first approach in America? One doesn't even have to be a law scholar or history professor to answer that. Any well taught high school student could see it.
Why would you or others want to restrict or limit free and open discussion? That's how the leader in Syria is handling things right now. Sorta like "sit down and shut up." Doesn't much allow a diverse public to have their say, does it? Why would you want to prevent others from seeing our questions the responses (or lack thereof) and allowing them to make up their own minds? Isn't that their choice?
Sunshine is a wonderful disinfectant... No?
Now, who runs was Elk Konnected, LLC and how do they envision the promotion of real growth in Elk County.
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 01:24:04 PM
Are they required to answer on a public forum?
As a matter of fact YES they are. Thats why we have meetings. The meetings are public forums.
QuoteIsn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse?
NO Ma'am. I question them in the courthouse, on the street in the restaurant, anywhere i might see them. Their job is to keep us informed, AND I CALL THEM as well as email and write them.
QuoteOr if someone perceives impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county. I can't think of what that committee is called, but they are the ones that nominate the replacement for an empty seat. At the very least, there is always the recall of the elected official of which I have heard nothing.
It is better to determine that information up front before you go to a Attorney General since you are quite possibly setting yourself up for a liable lawsuit.
QuoteWhy is this being done on cyberspace? Why is it being shared with the whole world? Don't you think you can get enough support within the county? And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do? And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything. A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County". Just what is your motive?
As good a place as any. Its commonly accepted now as a means of discussing and questioning. You can thank OBAMA for that one, he is the one who pushed the use of it for Government campaigning and oversight. Remember the "promise of transparency"!
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be. Have you tried doing it the right way?
Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215
I thought you wanted to keep it in the county, you know airing dirty laundry....
Quote from: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
So you are saying that free public speech in a republic is the WRONG way? Interesting view Wilma, even if wrongheaded.
Why would legal action be your first approach? Wouldn't open public discussion and debate be a better first approach in America? One doesn't even have to be a law scholar or history professor to answer that. Any well taught high school student could see it.
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Welcome to the USSA
You want answers, don't you? In a situation where corruption is suspected, the Attorney General office is the place to take care of it? They can get answers where you can't and isn't that what you want? Answers? What does it matter who gets them?
Quote from: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 09:08:14 PM
You want answers, don't you? In a situation where corruption is suspected, the Attorney General office is the place to take care of it? They can get answers where you can't and isn't that what you want? Answers? What does it matter who gets them?
You're missing the bigger picture, Wilma.
Oh,while were chatting, are you an admitted member, manager, or employee of Elk Konnected, LLC?
there is a post here on Elk County Forum Wilma that has a link that is very educational.
It explains how Elk Konnected, LLC was able to produce their list for the wind farm monies
so quickly at the wind farm conversation. The list is at the beginninig of this thread.
It was provided to the people at that meeting before they left.
Ask yourself, how did they produce 200 typed and stapled, corrolated and printed pages so quickly,
in an empty building. They were more than likely pre-produced.
The link is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html
please read and learn.
LOL, i Forgot about that tactic. Fits ELK Connected to a T
Wilma you really sound like a nice lady.
But on an occassion you have asked us to clarify
or explain what something says. you would say something
like, explain this so an 81 year old woman can understand it.
I have never really believed you have had any problem understanding any of it.
I have sisters your age and they are pretty sharp too.
I believe you are quite intellegent and have just been playing us.
I have been a bit slow on recognizing this situation.
But that brings to mind a question for me.
If you really don't understand would you mind, telling us who from Elk Konnected, LLC is telling you what to say on here?
What is your stake in Elk Konnected, LLC.
Or to quote Patriot, "Are you an admitted member, manager, or employee of Elk Konnected, LLC?
No, I am not a member, nor will I be. I am not able to contribute anything to their activities.
Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance. You don't think the leaders went unprepared, do you? A good leader has researched and prepared for a meeting. What they had prepared was probably taken from the results of similar meetings and was used as a starting place for the EKLLC participants.
When I was leading the meetings of an organization, I always had my notes in front of me so I wouldn't forget anything that needed to be brought up. People do need to be primed to have a successful meeting. Some people have very good suggestions but lack the confidence to present it unless they can see that someone else is thinking the same way. It is apparent to me that you are not skilled in productive cooperation.
Ross, my interest in this is that I am an Elk County citizen and I do not like the way Elk County citizens are being portrayed in this thread. I do not like what people all over the world must be thinking about Elk County from what they are reading here. It is all beginning to sound like a lynch mob.
On the other hand, if there is some illegal activity as you imply, it needs to be turned over to the proper authorities to be taken care of. If one of our elected officials is using tax money for personal benefit, it is a situation that needs to be turned over to the Attorney General to be investigated properly. By not turning it over, you are perpetuating a criminal situation. If you have evidence and you are not turning it in, you are becoming an accessory to, an accomplice to and aiding and abetting the criminal.
I am not trying to protect anyone other than the county, but it kind of sounds as if you are when you haven't reported a crime.
Quote from: Wilma on May 31, 2011, 07:18:26 AM
No, I am not a member, nor will I be. I am not able to contribute anything to their activities.
Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance. You don't think the leaders went unprepared, do you? A good leader has researched and prepared for a meeting. What they had prepared was probably taken from the results of similar meetings and was used as a starting place for the EKLLC participants.
Thank you Wilma you are a gracious lady. I appreciate the honest answer.
You said, "Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance."
I'm sorry Wilma, but that was why the so called Community Conversation with all the control factions were in place, to come up with what the public talked about in those circles of chairs. They could not have known what people would say before the meeting. Unless they had total control. And they did.
I understand not that my actions at the beginning of the meeting, even though I was extremely polite only insured their control of the group. Can't you see that?
Wo are Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
It seems that flintauqua likes to leave this thread to start another thread to make accusations.
Please go to http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11923.0.html to catch up
on flintauqua sneaky approach and accusations. You might enjoy the read.
flintauqua are you a registered Elk Konnected, LLC Member?
It is amazing that in light of the information red posted here: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html) and the uncanny relationship it has to Elk Konnect, LLC that some people still refuse to stop and ask: Who is Elk Konnected, LLC, and do we really know the whole story?
Other than taking tax dollars, 'imposed community standards', ballgames for the kids and slams on the Elk Falls community over trash service changes.... what, specifically, do they envision for the future growth of.Elk County?
How do they propose to grow the population?
What are they doing to attract new, job producing business or industry?
How will they help improve major infrastructure?
What, besides continuing to seek out 'free' grant money, do they suggest regarding the highest property tax rates in KS, obscene spending, rising county debt, etc.?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: Ross on May 31, 2011, 11:11:19 AM
You said,"I see no conflict of interest if the city sees that the cheapest place to purchase things is here in town." Why are you confusing city councils with a topic on Elk Konnected, LLC and the County commissioners?
I can believe you are not an Elk Konnected, LLC registered member, but who is?
Why start another thread to bad mouth people on this thread? http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11960.0.html
Come here and bad mouth me, I can handle it.
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC? Why won't they use this forum like they said they would. Come out, come out where ever you are.
Copied from another thread.
1. Who wrote the grants to get these monies, and at whose suggestion? (and were all involved with the receipients)
2. Were there other grants written for infrastructures such as bridges and firehouses?
3. Does the person writing these grants have the blessed/blessing votes from the comissioners? I'm not talking about the Wnd Fall Project rather the yearly budget spendings.
Just a few ponderings to try to see where the circle of truth started...The chicken or the egg?
Questioning is one thing for a project. Is there a pattern of this happening at every meeting?
The county comissioners were elected to speak for the county. We just ask for accountability.
Ready
Now, you are really getting me confused. First you insinuate that one of our commissioners is lining his/her pockets with taxpayer money by being associated with an organization that gets money from the Elk County Board of Commissioners. Isn't that an illegal activity?
Next you say there is nothing to take to the Attorney General. If you have nothing, then why are you still on here spouting about what you know?
As to the grants that have been written, there are people that write up the applications for grants for entities because they have the training and the time to do it and they get paid for it. Is that a crime?
Who are the registered members of EKLLC? I would say every decent citizen of Elk County that wants to see their county be a happy productive place to be. I know that the names that I have seen in connection with EKLLC are all good citizens, long time citizens, second or third generation citizens. Most of the business people in Elk County are on that list. They are the shakers and movers of our county. They have had the courage to go out and get their education, then come back and try to make this a better place for everyone.
You, Ross, have long have you been an Elk County citizen? Patriot, how long? Steve isn't an Elk County citizen and never has been. You people out there in cyberspace that are reading and laughing, consider the above information and judge for yourselves just who has the best interests of Elk County in their hearts.
I really don't remember anyone saying that they would use this forum for sharing information, but why should they, when everything that they might say is torn apart, sentence by sentence, disputed, debated, and all slanted to show that EKLLC is not a reputable organization.
I heard someplace that someone on this thread thinks that Liz Hendricks and Kate Whetstone are sisters. I don't know about Liz, but I do know that Kate doesn't have any sisters. They are cousins, because their fathers are cousins and possibly their fathers were cousins. If you can sort out the Perkin's connections, you are doing better than I can. Yet they are all very fine people, especially Julie Perkins, Kate Perkins (the teacher), Susie Perkins, Lois Perkins and the list goes on. It's kind of like the Durbins in Moline. And the Liebaus iin Grenola, not to mention the Jontras.
QuoteNow, you are really getting me confused. First you insinuate that one of our commissioners is lining his/her pockets with taxpayer money by being associated with an organization that gets money from the Elk County Board of Commissioners. Isn't that an illegal activity?
Whoa now! I did NOT infer that someone was lining their pockets! That would be illegal. However, it is legal to own a business, get a grant to start a business, get an IRB or a tax break and not have to pay business taxes...which is why most business' go bust/or sold before the IRB is expended. That is legal, but in my book a little unethical.
I am not spouting, Wilma. I am asking simple questions that the county as a whole should be asking for accountability.
I consider this website to be very informative, and those that don't like politics should probably not be involved. Those who use the computer on a somewhat inquisitive basis, should have the sense to 'take it with a grain of salt". I imagine someone from another State would finally same the same things that you are saying regarding a thread started on April Fools Day.
You cannot take anything to the State Attorney General, unless you have facts...and to be quite honest I really don't think someone would come forward and state, "Yes I am a member and yes we have done such, and such...now try and take us on!"
That will not happen. (anyway, one would first contact the KCCA with findings.)
But what will happen, are people generally trying to understand the inner workings of Elk Konnected LLC so they may make an honest decision about wether to join or support.
I swear, between you, Ross & Patriot and a few others...it's difficult to find out!
Ready
QuoteAs to the grants that have been written, there are people that write up the applications for grants for entities because they have the training and the time to do it and they get paid for it. Is that a crime?
As long as they are not a comissioner that is affiliated with said group getting the grant...otherwise no, it is not a crime... I am asking simple questions?
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 31, 2011, 01:53:11 PM
I am not spouting, Wilma. I am asking simple questions that the county as a whole should be asking for accountability.
You're right, ready... simple questions deserve simple answers and honest discussion. Now that you've asked a couple.....DUCK! ;D
Quote from: Patriot on May 31, 2011, 10:57:16 AM
What, specifically, do they envision for the future growth of.Elk County?
How do they propose to grow the population?
What are they doing to attract new, job producing business or industry?
How will they help improve major infrastructure?
What, besides continuing to seek out 'free' grant money, do they suggest regarding the highest property tax rates in KS, obscene spending, rising county debt, etc.?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
I reiterate... More simple questions that go unanswered.
QuoteNow that you've asked a couple.....DUCK!
LOL, well I may be kicked in the rear from something else other than the thing I ducked at!
now, Ready
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, Who are the legally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I don't know. They won't tell us.
Daddy, Who is Patriot?
I don't know. He won't tell us.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, Are you a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?
No.
Daddy, Is Uncle Flintauqua a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?
I'd be totally surprised if he was.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Sweet candy isn't good for you.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. Candy can make you fat.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I think your sister ate the last one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You get hyper when you have lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't like spending money on lollipops.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't think we have any.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You always make a mess with one.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. You gave yours to the dog the last time.
Daddy, Is Patriot a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?
He might be. They're sneaky like that.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
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srkruzich, can you give me the names of your county comissioners?
Quote from: ddurbin on May 31, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
LOL
No go to your room, you're grounded. ROFLMBO
Do you know who Elk Konnected, LLC is you naughty little boy.
LOL
Oh, I better have a a disclaimer there has been an attempt to intimidate me with legal implications.
So here it is, everything I write on here is only my opinion, some are written with links to facts. I have also been accused of being to polite --- to that I must plead guilty. My sincerest apologies to those I have offended by being to polite.
Do you know who the registered Elk Konnected, LLC members are?
Good night people.
What happened to our rock budget?
Quote from: greatguns on May 31, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
srkruzich, can you give me the names of your county comissioners?
yep
Quote from: Ross on May 31, 2011, 06:49:54 PM
LOL
No go to your room, you're grounded. ROFLMBO
Do you know who Elk Konnected, LLC is you naughty little boy.
LOL
What was that other name for a lollipop.... oh yeah... sucker.
Dan, that sounds exactly like what is happening here. A repeated question to which the answer won't be acknowledged or accepted.
Quote from: Wilma on June 01, 2011, 07:57:52 AM
Dan, that sounds exactly like what is happening here. A repeated question to which the answer won't be acknowledged or accepted.
Indulge me... who owns Elk Konnected, LLC. I don't believe that's been answered yet... a month later.
Yes, it has. It is owned by the people that belong to and support it. Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.
Quote from: Wilma on June 01, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
Yes, it has. It is owned by the people that belong to and support it. Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.
It is owned, by law, by those who are admitted members/managers of the limited liability company and who share in the profits/losses (if any). Just supporting Boeing does not make me an owner.
There have been suggestions here, and on other threads, that if a crime exists then proper authorities should be notified. I couldn't agree more. However, this thread is about ethics and a public debate regarding government actions, use of taxpayer funds, government interaction with private entities and the actions of private entities to influence government action using unconventional methods that purport to represent overall public opinion. It is not about criminal wrong doing... are you suggesting such a thing?
I, for one, have come to the conclusion that the 'outcomes' of community 'conversations' probably do not represent a majority of public opinion, do little to offer solutions in the arenas of community development & growth, and may be highly manipulative in their methods. The response I have received privately seem to support those views. I'm sure you and yours differ. But that doesn't change the questions.
Who really owns Elk Konnected LLC, and what are their detailed long term plans to ensure jobs and growth in Elk County? What is the next 'consensus' of public opinion will they present to government officials? How will the next batch of taxpayer monies they receive be used?
Quote from: Wilma on June 01, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.
I don't care how old/young you are, you can not convince me of that. No way.
Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 01, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?
Ross would be better suited to answer, but my understanding is: Verbatim. Only a blind person could look at the two side by side and not see the picture.
Why does Elk Konnected LLC need to pay $3000 a year or so for the services of a professional out of county 'facilitator' from Public Square Communities, LLC to 'lead' conversations in our communities?
I wanted to revisit this document provided by Elk Konnected, LLC the night of the so called Wind Farm Community Conversation.
Community Conversation Committee Report
Purpose of committee: Analyze input comments from Elk County residents as to how wind energy dollars should be invested. This is a very poor analysis in my opinion. Looks like poor thought processes were used. And that the control mechanism was more interested in control than producing anything worth while. They didn't seem to know the difference between city and county and state functions and private business.
This process was launched with a community meeting where community members presented
ideas for the expenditure of the income from the newly formed wind farm. At the community
conversation meeting, residents present at the meeting were asked to give their input in the
categories of "Ideas", "Big Ideas", and IITop Ideas". All residents present were divided into
small "round table" (they mean circle of chairs, no tables) discussion groups in order to discuss and bring forward the ideas.
After the community conversation, a representative from each "round table" (they mean circle of chairs, no tables) group was
assigned to be on a special committee. From there, the committee was assembled to take the
ideas and organize them. The committee meeting resulted in the following analysis of data.
The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories. How did the every day citizens know to come up with categories unless someone from Elk Konnected, LLC trained in this situation was there to tell them what to do? It's just not something every day citizens think of.Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:
These are normal community operating tools to operate under, don't you think?
So nothing new here right.
1. Financial
2. Infrastructure/Utilities
3. Economic Development
4. Services
5. Education
6. Miscellaneous
After assigning every single comment from the community meeting into a certain category, the
data in each category was grouped into sub-topics (see appendix to review grouping). It should
be noted that several comments were "cross-over" comments, meaning that the committee
felt like the comment actually fell into more than one category, and therefore they analyzed it
in both categories when forming sub-topics. This committee seemed to be very well versed in Obama skills for every day citizens. I believe community organizers and facilitators get college educations to think like this. Not everyday citizens think this way.
I think perhaps this committee might have been Elk Konnected, LLC's own registered members.
Some of the sub-topics that garnered the most comments were as follows:
Financial category: 50% of the comments related to lowering taxes and 25% of the comments
related to paying off debt.
Infrastructure/Utilities: Slightly less than 50% of the comments related to road improvements
ranging from city streets to county roads and 20% of the comments related to community
improvements ranging from restoration/clean-up, to improving parks, to building community
centers.
Since when is city streets and city improvements and city centers County Government business. If Howard wants all that take it up with their city council.
Economic Development: Over 50% of comments related to the generic (as in no specific
details) topic of job creation and 20% related to assisted living &/or day care.
Howard already has a nursing home and there are day cares out there. But these are private business concerns --- not County Government business. I suppose if Howard's city council wants it citizens to cough up more tax dollars to support private business. I say more power to them.
Services: Many different ideas fell into this category with a large majority of the comments
being "cross-over" ideas that also fell into Financial, Infrastructure/Utilities, or Economic
Development.
Education: The generic (as in no specific details) topic of schools/libraries garnered 50% of the
comments in this category Education is not a County Government responsibility.
That is the school district and elected school board members following state laws and state school board regulations.
Committee's Conclusion of the data:
Focus should be on the first three categories of Financial, Infastructure/Utilities, and Economic
Development
In the Financial category: Lowering taxes will help with the creation of jobs and the act of
lowering taxes will benefit all residents that pay taxes. It will also create a more business
friendly environment. Paying off debt will also decrease the tax burden. It was also agreed that
banking a certain percentage of the income is needed. No new idea here.
In the Infrastructure/Utilities category: County roads are a must for improvements, as well as
city streets. Water and trash services are a key to fostering business growth. The committee
also felt that this is the best category to set long, medium and short term goals and that
prioritizing will be necessary in this category.
Water and trash service and city streets are city government not County Government responsibilities. I suggest Elk Konnected, LLC attend their City Council meeting.
Economic Development: The committee realizes it is not the responsibility of local government
to create jobs, but rather, create a business friendly environment. Assisting and promoting
growth in existing businesses should be a key consideration. Because the comments relating to
assisted living and/or daycare came up so often (which these were also cross-over topics
mentioned in other categories), the committee feels that it is relevant to point out that this
could be a way to help with job creation. The committee felt that it was a valid consideration
that deserves its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this idea. What? Is the county suppose to give money, to Howard to rebuild the whole town? I don't think so.
Services: Youth activities, assisted living, and daycare led the way with the greatest number of
comments. The committee expressed concern of government versus private industry in
creating these services. There was some discussion about how the government needs to help
grow these services, but without having the control and responsibility. Not County business so no problem. Elk Konnected if it's such a good idea and money maker go do it.
Though not garnering a
lot of comments, the committee felt it was relevant to reiterate the importance of the
emergency services of ambulance and fire that serve all citizens of our county. Already taken care of.
Education: The committee felt that ultimately, this is the school board's responsibility, but if
taxes are lowered, it may draw in more people that could afford to live within the county,
thereby having an impact on the school. The committee felt that the comments relating to
scholarships to help attract Elk County raised students back to Elk County did deserve some
consideration, and again, would need its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this
idea. It's been tried across the country and doesn't work. And in today's economy people with degrees are working at McDonalds. Housing prices are dropping again. Our country is still in a financial crises. College kids can not repay their college loans. Colleges are in financial trouble.
Miscellaneous: The committee decided that there were comments that did not fit into the
above mentioned categories and therefore these comments were listed as miscellaneous.
Side note: Without overlapping with federally subsidized programs, the committee was
surprised that more comments about the support of the agriculture industry in Elk County were
not mentioned. What's to understand, the farmers/ ranchers don't want Elk Konnected. LLC in their personal business.The committee felt like this topic does warrant more attention since this is the
primary industry in Elk County. What does the average citizen know about federally subsidized programs or grants for that matter? These were not average everyday citizens writing this stuff. In fact, I think this was probably written up and printed and collated and stapled before the meeting. There was no real thought put into this. Unless it was Elk Konnected's ideas for fixing up Howard.
Appendix is attached with data breakdown of how the committee sorted all comments that
were generated from the community conversation.
Financial
Lower Taxes - 20 (Idea's)
Lower Taxes - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Payoff Debt - 8 (Idea's)
Pay off Debt- 7 (Top 3 idea's)
Save the 1 st million for the future as a cushion - l(Idea's)
Bank 1st million - 2 (Big Idea's)
1 st million in bank - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Matching Funds -1 (Idea's)
A fund for matching grant funds - 1 (Big Idea's)
Spend money all over the county not in just to towns - 1 (Idea's) Vague
Spend it as an investment not as expenditure (Big Idea's) Vague
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's) Vague
County employee compensation - 2 (Idea's)
How about a pay raise for the Elk Konnected, LLC County Commissioner.
Infrastructure/UtiIitles
Improve Roads - 17 (Idea's)
Help cities improve streets - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. Howard city council's responsibility.
Funds for roads and bridges - 1 (Big Idea's) County roads and bridges, gut hey that's what the county does right?
Road Improvements - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
County roads and bridges, gut hey that's what the county does right?Infrastructure improvement - 3 (Idea's) So vague it doesn't make sense.
Water supply (Idea's) Not County business.
Water - 2 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business.
Rural water all over county - 2 (Big Idea's)
Clean up properties and restore buildings - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. Cuty business.
Community Building -1 (Idea's) Not County business.
Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's) Vague
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's) Vague
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)
Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council. The idea to build a community shelter outside of Howard as an attachment to the school bond failed didn't it. If Howard wants a community shelter they should build one inside the city limits and Elk Konnected, LLC like's to say centralized for all citizens.
Broadband initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Build new jail- l(ldea's) Why? Just to spend money. Or do you expect a large influx of prisoners? We won't be housing anyone for Sedan soon. Because they are building a new jail.
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council.
Maintain and promote rail service - l(Idea's) Huh? Get a little money and run a railroad??
New ambulance - l(Idea's)
Sewer systems in small towns - 1 (Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council.
Economic Development
Jobs -11 (Idea's) Not county business. Create Jobs - 10 (Top 3 idea's) Not county business.
Create Jobs/ Bring in business - 6 (Big Idea's) Not county business.
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's) Private business. Not county business.
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's) Private business. Not county business.
Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's) Private business. Not county business.
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's) Private business. Not county business.
Tourism - 2 (Idea's) State working on that.
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) City business. Not county business.
Golf Course - 1 (Idea's) Private business. Not county business.
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's) Private business or city business, Not county business.
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's) Private business. Not county business.
Preserving Moline school- 1 (Idea's) Not County business. School Board and School district.
Land Purchase for possible population expansion (Idea's) Private businesing .
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's) If owned by the county.
Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's) City business, state business, Not county business.
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's) City business. Not county business.
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's) Already have one, not expecting any 747's.
Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's) Not County business.
Improved/more housing (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Certify/Train a group of local residents to work on wind mills - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Services
Youth Facility - 9 (Idea's) Not County business. Private business, or city business.
More $ invested for youth in each town - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.
Invest in Youth Activities - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Community Building -1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's) If the County Commissioners decide to give equal sums to each community for their own use.
Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's) Not County business.
Countywide clean-up - 3 (Big Idea's) They already do it their own way.
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's) If they are county owned.
Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Broad brand initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's) Not County business.
Transportation for elderly and children - l(Idea's) Already available
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. State or City business.
Rec center w/\ indoor pool- 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.
Professional golf course tournament - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business.
New ambulance - 1 (Idea's) In the process of buying one now, I believe. normal county business.
Food Services to elderly - l(Idea's) Doesn't this already go on?
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's) Not County business.
More Tourist Attractions (Idea's) Not County business.
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's) Already have.
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's) How about in Longton, or the rodeo grounds near Moline.
Education Not County business. School Board and School district.
Schools - 5 (Idea's) Not County business. School Board and School district.
Libraries - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. City Business.
Scholarships - 2 (Idea's) Not County business.
Sponsor scholarships for trade within county - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's) Not County business.
Enrich the education - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. School district and school board.
More $ invested for youth in each town -1 (Big Idea's) Not county business, city business.
Be able to keep and reopen schools in small towns as population grows _ 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. School district and school board.
Miscellaneous
Drug Test before can get food stamps or welfare - 1 (Idea's) Does the county have control over food stamps and welfare??? NO ! State Business
Spend within our budget - l(Idea's) This has been a good idea since the development of the dollar and government.
Get engineer - 1 (Idea's) Why? Just to spend money.
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's) Not County business. Reeks of communism to this US Veteran.
Invest in Stock Shares - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. City business.
So anyway in my opinion nothing was accomplished by Elk Konnected, LLC' s so called Community Conversation. Just a poor presentation in my opinion. It appears the meeting was more for practice in people control.
All my personal opinion as I have often stated in this forum. So slap me silly. Go.
Who are the officialy registered Elk Konnected, LLC members??????????????????????????????
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 01, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?
Okay. This is what I saw and heard. I walked in the door and was suppose to sign in and accept a name tag with a little colored star on it. You know the little stars used in grade school. This star is significant. I did not do that. I just walked in.
Once inside the door I saw a bunch of chairs all set up in little circles of maybe 8 or 10 chairs. Well I chose to sit on the edge of the stage which was at the back of the room, the way they had things set up. Quite a bunch of people chose to do the same thing. When all the chairs that were set up were filled a bunch of people started setting up more circles. And that is when the facilitator from Wichita County started approaching people individually along the stage. He was telling them they had to sit in the circles or they would not be permitted to participate. Some people did move into the circles but most stayed on the edge of the stage, as I did. When the man was telling me the same thing he appeared worried about all the papers I had in my hand, he kept looking at the papers and then at me.
Any way he moved back up to the front and addressed the crowd. He told them to look at each others name tag and if anyone had the same colored star in the circle please get up and move. People shuffled around. Then he said if you are sitting with your spouse or friend please get up and move. We don't want you sitting together with your spouse or friend because we feel we get better ideas that way, and you get to meet new people. A few more people shifted around.
When it appeared to be settling down. I politely walked to the front and asked to speak the facilitator. He told me outside and that's when I turned to the people and I said I thought this was a community conversation and I want speak with you in front of the community. The man then politely lifted his microphone to his mouth and said very nicely, "Where is the sheriff." Welll I saw nothing else to do but to politely walk out. I was met half way out by deputies who then followed me out of the building. They saw nor heard any of what took place.
I have been told on this forum since I attended Elk Konnected, LLC's Community Conversation that I am now a member. I hardly think so, no I know I'm not. But that is what they are doing, counting people that attend a Community Conversation as members even though the people may disagree with them.
now Ross: either you adjust your meds and tell it like it really happened, or you will get bomblasted on here! ;D
Duck! Everyone is ready, right?????
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 05:41:08 PM
now Ross: either you adjust your meds and tell it like it really happened, or you will get bomblasted on here! ;D
Duck! Everyone is ready, right?????
Okay, boss. ya got anything good. I get loopy on aspirin. Actually, all kidding aside, asprin is the strongest pain medication I take.
I get high on real rich chocolate. Will that work? oh and I'm high on life, too.
readyaimduck it was like a 20 ring circus. how could anyone know what was going on? Think about it.
lol I am beginning to think the 'members of this forum' do not want to join in on an adult discussion. Hot topics makes one hot..and sometimes uneasy. Then we lash out with the "well, but, but, but" And then some of us are not directly, told to 'butt out'.
I am okay with that.
I guess I will stick to Larry's thread and read till I need to go to bed. and Teresas videos are GREATTTT!!!
You can start all the different and social threads you wish. I have noticed that one who starts one, then all who agree join. Just saying. Hmmmm......Elk County. Yes indeedy!
I actually enjoyed and learned a bit from the road rock thread.
Too bad.
not ready
Ross, I in a professional mode have been to those meetings. I would have probably been thrown out too!, However I was young and had other stuff to do and needed to keep my income.
Now, I really don't "need to belong to a clique" I know what I am about!
I agree with you duck. I just joined the big group of over "65" and that's enough for me.
I think "belonging to a clique you have a need to control or be controlled".
I happen to like most people I meet.
I'm growing old and maybe someday I'll grow up, I don't know.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 06:04:28 PM
lol I am beginning to think the 'members of this forum' do not want to join in on an adult discussion. Hot topics makes one hot..and sometimes uneasy. Then we lash out with the "well, but, but, but" And then some of us are not directly, told to 'butt out'.
I am okay with that.
It would sure seem that direct questions are met with ferocious verbosity and few, if any, direct answers. Heck, "I don't know" would be more honest in some cases.
As for being told to 'butt out' or 'sit down and shut up'... I'm ok with it only to the extent that it's par for the course. Old guard?..... I see now. Of course, there are all those unnamed residents, voters and taxpayers (and their friends, family & neighbors) who have been following this thread and are also curious about facts as opposed to conjecture, opinion, misdirection, and convolution.
Facts like: What, if any, role did any elected official play in negotiations for the end placement of the Caney River Wind Project? If any did, were there any personal or close family benefits that resulted from such placement? Oh.. and who are the admitted/managing members of Elk Konnected, LLC? What besides garage sales and youth ballgames do Elk Konnected, LLC owners envision for Elk County's future?
I guess these citizens will have to continue to be curious. For now.
Maybe Elk Konnected, LLC is ashamed of themselves.
Perhaps that's why they won't come out in the open.
Comments please.
What is the
Elk Konnected community?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community?
By what authority does Elk Konnected, propose enforcing any ordinances or laws?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
Who are the patrons?
And is that why Elk Konnected thought they could utilize taxpayers and County Government web site and the crisis reporting call system without proper authorization?
Mr. Woodbury said on his web site Strategy
Name and build on community assets
What commmunity iis he talking about?
Does that mean to keep after the towns city councils, taxpayers money as assets?
Does that mean to keep after the County taxpayers money as assets?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php
What is the infrastructure of Elk Konnected, LLC? This is a very important question.
What is Elk konnected, LLC's affiliation with the local newspaper --- PRAIRIE STAR?
Our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.
Would Elk Konnected, LLC please tell us how they plan to bring growth to a predominatly agricultural county without interfering with County and City governments against the wishes of taxpayers? We realize you have a very small portion of county people involved wit Elk Konnected, LLC but that is not a majority.
This represents a few of my questions and my opinions. Answers would be appreciated.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 06:06:38 PM
Ross, I in a professional mode have been to those meetings. I would have probably been thrown out too!, However I was young and had other stuff to do and needed to keep my income.
Now, I really don't "need to belong to a clique" I know what I am about!
You said, "needed to keep my income."
When I lived in a small town of 2000 people in Texas I saw that tactic used to keep people in line. IE, you say anything, your uncle, your daddy, you momma may lose their job. They did talk to my superintendent on the pipeline about dismissing me. They wasted their time. It didn't work against me.
What is the Elk Konnected community?
Public Square Communities is a business in which Mr. Woodberry works as a consultant to help communities get organized to accomplish goals and projects that the citizens of those communities choose. EK was started through a series of open pubilc meetings in which all the goals listed here http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php were chosen by citizens from all the communities in Elk County and Severy. Action teams were organized for each goal/concern established and number of citizens went to work trying to things to do to meet these goals/concerns for the community. Mr. Woodberry is running a for hire business so he is paid. The initial payment was from $50 dollar donations from citizens through out the county and severy. I don't understand the confusion in this. It's pretty simple.
By what authority does Elk Konnected, propose enforcing any ordinances or laws?
They have no authority. You know that, they know that and no one is pretending they do. What they are trying to do is encourage people to take pride in the up keep and maintenance of their property. Well maintained properties are appealing to people inside and outside of our community. Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting.
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
Who are the patrons?
And is that why Elk Konnected thought they could utilize taxpayers and County Government web site and the crisis reporting call system without proper authorization?
Patrons would be anyone that would be interested in attending actives and events that are held in our communities through out the year. Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting. As far as using taxpayer and county government web site and crisis reporting call system with out proper authorization. It not like someone from EK hacked into the county web site and posted community events on there. The county commissioner are aware it is on there and if they had a problem then it would have been taken care of. Now if it wasn't voted on @ a commissioners meeting then maybe it should have been. Do you think they would have not allowed it. Why wouldn't you want your county web site promoting events with-in your county.
Mr. Woodbury said on his web site Strategy
Name and build on community assets
What commmunity iis he talking about?
Does that mean to keep after the towns city councils, taxpayers money as assets?
Does that mean to keep after the County taxpayers money as assets?
I'm sure that Mr. Woodbury would put a goal of his company is to get @ all the money of the cities and counties in which he works. Community assets that he is referring to are things in our communities that we already have that could be utilized better or differently. This could be activitys, events, parks , buildings, anything that our communities perceive as a asset to our community.
What is the infrastructure of Elk Konnected, LLC? This is a very important question.[/b
It would seem to me that the LLC was created for liability protection for the Exercise room that EK is operating in Howard. Being that Ek is a volunteer organization it would be a shame if a injury occurred and individuals were sued or liable. A LLC allows EK to purchase a insurance policy and give everyone involved piece of mind that they would not be held liable in the event of a lawsuit. They are not hiding anything our laundering personal finances through this LLC. IT limits their liability. I'm not sure if the ECCEDF is handling the funds for the exercise room or not. The ECCEDF is a 501c(3) non profit organization, which allows donations to it to be tax deductible for the giver and also mean that thier are financial documents that are created and maintained by them which allows them to keep their tax-exempt status. If your afraid of miss handling of the funds then look in to it, don't just get on here and complain and claim corruption with out evidence.
What is Elk konnected, LLC's affiliation with the local newspaper --- PRAIRIE STAR?
Nothing. I'm sure that Ek has designated the Prairie Star as their primary mode of getting information and results of projects to the public. They promote their activities before and after they happen to our local newspaper.
Our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.
I don't see the problem with this unless their was direct business between the county and Public Square. If that is the case the she would abstain from any vote the the other commissioners would make the decision. If you are worried about this then take it up with your commissioner.
Would Elk Konnected, LLC please tell us how they plan to bring growth to a predominatly agricultural county without interfering with County and City governments against the wishes of taxpayers? We realize you have a very small portion of county people involved wit Elk Konnected, LLC but that is not a majority.
How is EK interfering with the wishes of the taxpayers. By organizing clean up days and supporting activities for the youth of the county. Growth depends on your definition. If your taking about population and jobs then EK is not going to help. But if your talking about growth in pride of community, health and wellness, experiences and opportunity for youth the EK is growingjust fine despite unwarranted criticism from a even smaller portion of the communities.
What do you want to hear? That Elk Konnected is a big conspiracy to brainwash citizens and steal tax money from our local government. Well sorry it is not. It's a group of people trying to make our communities a better place to live. Not only to entice new people to our community but for the people already here.
Excellent post, Patriotdad! That should put this subject to rest!
Thanks.That verified some things I thought I knew.
Where's the big 'clapping hands' smiley?
Thank you patriotdad!
Nicely done - thank you!
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
What is the Elk Konnected community?
Are you speaking to us as an official member of Elk Konnected, LLC.
I'm a bit confused are you saying that Elk Konnected, LLC is seperaye from Elk Konnected orsaying it another way two seperate entities?
There is no such thing as a official member of EK. It is a community group. there are no requirements or fees to join. It a group of people that gave themselves a name. The Elk Konnected name it's self was decided on in a group discussion where citizens chose it over other ideas that the same citizens came up with.
The LLC was established for liability purposes only. It would be considered a "entity" by legal definitions, yes. Is it a off shoot rouge, corrupt corporation, no. Is there a name or names on the paperwork to establish the LLC, yes I'm sure there are. Does that mean that they are anything more than a member of a EK group, no. They are just taking the responsibility on them to see to it that the wellness center is organized where nobody involved could be held liable in the event of a accident/lawsuit.
Quit trying to make a controversy where there isn't one.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
What is the Elk Konnected community?
Just another smoke screen with non answers, right? You are not even an official of Elk Konnected, LLC are you?
I have read better B.S. in childrens books. You have attempted to answer for someone else and have done a poor job. You don't even understand the difference between an affliation and a simple newspaper story. The answer --- One definition --- To adopt or accept as a member.
There is an old saying you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. And I believe it fits right here.
You indicate there are fewer of the community dissatisfied with Elk Konnected than satissfied with absolutly no way of knowing that. That is just more smoke, keep trying.
You speak of Elk Konnected community, which really is a non entity while I speak of Elk County citizens. No I do not speak for them, I said I speak of them, I hope that is clear.
What Patriotdad said is true and honest. Give it up.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 01:53:37 PM
There is no such thing as a official member of EK. Quit trying to make a controversy where there isn't one.
So you are saying Elk konnected is nothing, right.
And therefore you can not answer for Elk Konnected, correct?
Which means nothing you say holds water?
Therefore you are the one creating further controversy.
What a smoke screen.
Quote from: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 02:11:12 PM
What Patriotdad said is true and honest. Give it up.
So sayeth you.
Give it up, give what up?
And to a smoke screen?
I don't think so. Nice try.
Yes, so I said.
Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language, Second College Edition 1986:
"witch hunt - an investigation usually conducted with much publicity, supposedly to uncover subversive political activity, disloyalty, etc., but really to harass and weaken political opposition."
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK. There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.
EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing. It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have. Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.
No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time. It is what it is and nothing more.
It looks like you are describing an "Elk Konnected, LLC" and an "Elk Konnected".
How can anyone be sure of anything?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 02:30:10 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK. There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.
EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing. It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have. Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.
No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time. It is what it is and nothing more.
So you keep saying there is no Elk Konnected, therefore if anyone comes before any government entity wihin Elk County they should be turned down for any request for funds, right? That also means no more so called community conversations totally controlled by a facilitator. An unorganized, organization that's quite a feat. What would the Kansas Department of Commerce who gave them a 3000.00 dollar school grant say about that? Pay it back. right?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 02:30:10 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK. There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.
EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing. It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have. Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.
No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time. It is what it is and nothing more.
May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected recieved a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent.
Ross, you have been given true and honest answers; but they aren't the answers you want because in fact they ARE true and honest. You would prefer to keep the "witch hunt" going just because you enjoy it.
Patriotdad has answered all of your question, Ross? Why are you still babbling?
Thank you, PatriotDad, Wilma and Mayflower, et al.
I agree with you!
:D :D :D
Quote from: Wilma on June 02, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
Patriotdad has answered all of your question, Ross? Why are you still babbling?
That's exactly what Patriotdad has done babbled, no real answers.
Have you read this weeks newspaper? Did you read about the real organizations in the county.
They are proud to list their board members. If Elk Konnected does not have a board or some form of organization they are not an organization, period and simple.
I'm waiting for a response from Patriotdad about quoting him.
Thank you for all the abuse and have a good evening.
QuoteOur County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.
and that has been my contention all along as an outsider questioning if Elk County Government was like the 'good ol' boys poker parties.
ready
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting.
Do you subscribe to the notion obtaining public 'opinion' used to influence government policy through consensus groupthink using the Delphi technique is a better method than holding open meetings & public debates that conform to Roberts Rules of Order?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
As far as using taxpayer and county government web site and crisis reporting call system with out proper authorization. It not like someone from EK hacked into the county web site and posted community events on there. The county commissioner are aware it is on there and if they had a problem then it would have been taken care of.
No, it was arrogant presumption of authority, plain and simple. At least one commissioner was likely aware, (Mrs Hendricks is deeply involved with Elk Konnected LLC, I believe), and the web page in question wasn't removed until the fact that a private concern was using the space was brought up at a commission meeting. Only after the potential conflict was pointed out by a wise citizen was the information quickly removed - without further discussion, I believe. Apparently a lone citizen had a better understanding of the issue than did the commissioner or Elk Konnected or the government employee who set it up. Or was there a hope nobody would complain?. Sounds a lot like a kid that got caught red handed sneaking into the beer chest.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Now if it wasn't voted on @ a commissioners meeting then maybe it should have been. Do you think they would have not allowed it.
Probably should have been voted on,
after discussion, public hearing and debate... and an 'approval' would have placed an official stamp on a wrong headed situation. Though the whole mess might have been avoided in the first place had someone not thought they could do whatever they wished and good procedure were followed.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Why wouldn't you want your county web site promoting events with-in your county.
Public Events? I generally would. Promotions of a privately owned entity. Not so much. First, I don't think that is a valid function of government. And if they were going to do that, would they be willing to so list every business & company in the county, including commercial agricultural concerns? Equal treatment and opportunity stuff.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
I'm sure that Mr. Woodbury would put a goal of his company is to get @ all the money of the cities and counties in which he works.
I suspect the above quoted portion of your response is far more accurate than the balance of your explanation. And at $1500 to $4500 per community 'helped' per year, plus other perks, he's doing just dandy.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
It would seem to me that the LLC was created for liability protection for the Exercise room that EK is operating in Howard.
Seem to you? Are stating this as a matter of provable fact, or is this a supposition?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Being that Ek is a volunteer organization it would be a shame if a injury occurred and individuals were sued or liable.
'Volunteer organization'... again supposition? Yes, it would be a shame. A even greater shame would be to find out that the LLC were only able to shield its' legal owners while the injured party (like a kid picking up trash on the highway when hit by an uninsured drunk driver) were on there own.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
A LLC allows EK to purchase a insurance policy and give everyone involved piece of mind that they would not be held liable in the event of a lawsuit.
According to Kansas law, the LLC exists to protect its' admitted members from personal responsibility for debts of the LLC. Admitted members are identified in very specific ways (natural persons, other partnerships, LLCs, corporations) and share in the LLCs profits/losses for tax purposes in much the same manner as a partnership. It also provides for 'pass through' taxation much like a Sub Chapter S corporation.
Are you stating, as fact, that they have obtained a liability policy that covers all parties who are present at or involved in one of their functions... a community conversation, for example? If you know this to be fact, can you provide the name of the insurer and a policy number.... or is this supposition on your part also?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
They are not hiding.
Well, for such a controversil group in re this forum, there are one hell of a lot of 'defenders' coming out of the woodwork. Yet where are the 'leaders' of this band?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
IT limits their liability.
'THEIR', according to Kansas law would be 'the admitted members and admitted managers'. And only their personal assets are shielded. Organizational liability projection would likely have be covered by an insurance policy (or self insurance). Who are you including as 'THEIR'?
In short, the admitted members/managers have covered their collective personal asses pretty well.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
I'm not sure if the ECCEDF is handling the funds for the exercise room or not. The ECCEDF is a 501c(3) non profit organization, which allows donations to it to be tax deductible for the giver and also mean that thier are financial documents that are created and maintained by them which allows them to keep their tax-exempt status. If your afraid of miss handling of the funds then look in to it, don't just get on here and complain and claim corruption with out evidence.
And what is the tax status of Elk Konnected, LLC? Profit, not for profit? And how taxed by the IRS? Corporation, partnership, sole proprietorship? If, as you asserted earlier, they formed the LLC to enable the purchase of insurance, they would likely need an FEIN and therefore an appropriate taxation election since the IRS doesn't recognize an LLC as a taxable entity.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
By organizing clean up days and supporting activities for the youth of the county.
And FFA, 4-H, Boy/Girl Scouts, The Rotary & Lions, etc. fit in where? We need a new 'group'? Why wasn't work put into energizing the others before running out for donations, grants and taxpayer handouts at the city, county & state levels to support a new group?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
Growth depends on your definition. If your taking about population and jobs then EK is not going to help.
Finally! So we're not going to hear any more BS about Elk Konnected being the answer to an economically depressed, business growth challenged, job & housing starved county with a dwindling population and where a fair number of children leave in bulk as soon as they can after they graduate? Good! Your statement is probably the most honest, transparent and accurate thing that's been said about Elk Konnected, LLC to date.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
But if your talking about growth in pride of community, health and wellness, experiences and opportunity for youth the EK is growingjust fine despite unwarranted criticism from a even smaller portion of the communities.
And unwarranted depends on your definition, to coin a phrase. The growth of Elk Konnected is what it's
really all about, isn't it? The growth of Elk County is just a sideline. Not stay with Elk County as we grow... just stay with Elk Konnected as they grow. That's a sad commentary on their true intent, IMO.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
What do you want to hear?
Just some clear facts and truth held out publicly, warts and all, without all the salesmanship & blind cheer leading for a change.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 11:47:11 AM
It's a group of people trying to make our communities a better place to live. Not only to entice new people to our community...
Their marketing plan for that enticement (which you have admitted was not their purpose or likely result) is painfully lacking. However their marketing plan for self promotion and self aggrandizement is in full swing.
Quote from: evanstrail on June 02, 2011, 02:28:32 PM
Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language, Second College Edition 1986:
"witch hunt - an investigation usually conducted with much publicity, supposedly to uncover subversive political activity, disloyalty, etc., but really to harass and weaken political opposition."
If no witches --- no harm done.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 02:30:10 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK. There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.
EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing. It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have. Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.
No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time. It is what it is and nothing more.
And you last read Kansas Statutes Annotated, Chapter 17, Article 76 when? Your understanding of the issue is sadly lacking in the legal department. It seems as if ignorance of the law regarding such matters is rampant among several who comment... even some reporting advanced college degrees. Shame on those nasty professors!
Who are
you trying to fool? Is that like Clinton's oral sex denial.... depends on what is, is?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 12:55:13 PM
Nicely done - thank you!
Quote from: evanstrail on June 02, 2011, 12:17:40 PM
Where's the big 'clapping hands' smiley?
Thank you patriotdad!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 02, 2011, 12:08:48 PM
Thanks.That verified some things I thought I knew.
Quote from: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 12:00:59 PM
Excellent post, Patriotdad! That should put this subject to rest!
Quote from: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 03:31:48 PM
Ross, you have been given true and honest answers; but they aren't the answers you want because in fact they ARE true and honest. You would prefer to keep the "witch hunt" going just because you enjoy it.
Quote from: Wilma on June 02, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
Patriotdad has answered all of your question, Ross? Why are you still babbling?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 03:38:28 PM
Thank you, PatriotDad, Wilma and Mayflower, et al.
I agree with you!
Now that the Girl's Glee Club has had their halftime cheer, we encourage you to remember that halftime means just that. Now that the new quarterback has been put in, let's see how Konnected his game is.
Quote from: Ross on June 02, 2011, 01:32:55 PM
Are you speaking to us as an official member of Elk Konnected, LLC.
I'm a bit confused are you saying that Elk Konnected, LLC is seperaye from Elk Konnected orsaying it another way two seperate entities?
Oops! Short kick! He didn't Konnect too well with that one. Plucked from the air at the 50 yard line and run back 30 yards. It's now 1st and 10 at the 20 yard line. What a weak KicK by the defense. And we're only seconds into the second half folks.
Quote from: Patriot on June 02, 2011, 07:18:52 PM
Now that the Girl's Glee Club has had their halftime cheer,
Why the sarcasm? ???
Most of the comments were very straight-forward.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 09:35:57 PM
Why the sarcasm? ???
Most of the comments were very straight-forward.
I guess you just had to see it from this side of the stadium, er room. It looked like the proverbial 'wave' at a football game. Sometimes it's about perceptions.... on both sides of an issue. :)
Quote from: Ross on June 02, 2011, 03:08:32 PM
May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected recieved a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent.
Patriotdad are you an elk Konnected follower/volunteer?
I'm waiting for a reply Patriotdad. Yes or no??? May I quote you?
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Quote from: ddurbin on June 03, 2011, 05:50:18 AM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Sure Dan, just ask someone or something called Elk Konnected for a free one purchased with taxpayers dollars.
But you know Dan all that sugar is unhealthy for a growing boy.
:o :o :o :D :D :D :D :angel: :angel: :angel:
Never argue with a fool because a bystander can't tell which one is the fool. Why would anyone want to converse with you?
Quote from: greatguns on June 03, 2011, 06:06:09 AM
Never argue with a fool because a bystander can't tell which one is the fool. Why would anyone want to converse with you?
Who are you asking??????
Well, let's see. We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross. Who would say she is asking?
Quote from: Wilma on June 03, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
Well, let's see. We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross. Who would say she is asking?
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Let Your Questions Go Unanswered.
Don't Get The Facts!
Don't Be Informed.
Be A Part of Something BIG.
Accept A Smoke Screen of Dis-information or "Shut The Hell Up".
Watch Us Grow
That appears to be the general concensus of Elk Konnected, LLC or is it Elk Konnected?
Are they one and the same or is one just the fittness center?
Contact the Dept. of Commerce. I'm sure they know who they gave the grant to and were fine with it. The grant would have had a application process where the recipient would specifically state who and what they are. The DoC must i felt they met the criteria to receive. And if EK misrepresented its self on the application then they shouldn't have received it.
You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.
Contact the Dept. of Commerce and see what they have to say. Asked for a formal explanation of the application process and selection criteria. the specifically asked about EK's eligibility. Post the DoC response on here.
You threaten to call them then call them. EK has nothing to hide.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
EK has nothing to hide.
patriordad,
You wrote with such force and authority in your first post on this thread, presenting yourself as one with knowledge and answers. I addressed many of the claims you made, yet you have failed to respond. Neither have you provided specific answers to any of the questions asked in the last month. Your response amounts to a non-response.
Is your authoritative stance indefensible? Or are you, also, evading direct answers? Your post raised more questions than it answered, and yet our original questions remain unanswered.
Please... if you are an admitted member of the LLC, say so. Given your strong defense of Elk Konnected's operations, you would surely be willing to express any official affiliation you have with the company. If you can factually identify a managing member of the LLC, do so. If you hold an official position please provide some official answers.
Doing otherwise, leaves the dozens of readers here (both registered & guest) with the ongoing and growing impression that perhaps there is something being hidden from public view. After all, why would a company so deeply involved involved in public affairs and government relationships need to hide the names of its' ownership?
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
Contact the Dept. of Commerce. I'm sure they know who they gave the grant to and were fine with it. The grant would have had a application process where the recipient would specifically state who and what they are. The DoC must i felt they met the criteria to receive. And if EK misrepresented its self on the application then they shouldn't have received it.
You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.
Contact the Dept. of Commerce and see what they have to say. Asked for a formal explanation of the application process and selection criteria. the specifically asked about EK's eligibility. Post the DoC response on here.
You threaten to call them then call them. EK has nothing to hide.
You said, "You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours." You qualified to only speak for how little your words mean. And that leaves me to believe nothing you say. And I sure am sorrry about that.
You said, "You threaten to call them then call them." First I have never made a threat, second I don't ever make threats.
Quote from: Wilma on June 03, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
Well, let's see. We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross. Who would say she is asking?
I believe that was a question mark at the end of the sentence thus asking.
Nit picking again, aren't you, Ross? You must be pretty bored out there on your minifarm.
I wouldn't have taken you for an Alinskyite, Wilma. Sad, really sad.
Thanks for commenting on everything but the main subject of the last post. Are you or aren't you going to call the DoC and tell them what corrupt, agenda driven organization they gave a $3000 grant to.
I said "Call the Dept. of Commerce" so are you going to do as you said you would or are you going to just keep talking tough.
If EK did something wrong then prove it. Call your county commissioner, call the DoC, call the IRS. If you want answers then go get them. Quit berating everything everyone on here says. Numerous people have tried to answer your questions and it's never good enough. you want answers, go get your answers yourself.
Threat or not threat do as you said you would and call the DoC. Do it! I don't think you will because you don't want to know the truth.
The next response from you should be when and who you talked to @ the DOC and when we should expect a formal response. Anything else then we will assume that your questions/theories about EK's wrong doings with the grant from the DOC answered and resolved.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
I said "Call the Dept. of Commerce" so are you going to do as you said you would or are you going to just keep talking tough.
You also commented something to the effect that your words meant nothing.
I do not believe, I have ever done any tough talking> I do believe, I have been very polite in asking questions of Elk Konnected about it registered membership and no registered member will reply. That leads me to think they must be terribly ashamed of being registered members. How can they possibly instill pride about anything if they are not proud ot their own registered members.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Threat or not threat do as you said you would and call the DoC. Do it! I don't think you will because you don't want to know the truth.
First, I reiterate I have made no threats ever and I never make threats.
Second, I never said anything about making a call?
Now about the subject of truth. I can't figure that out about you.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.
I believe I said you can speak of your word but not of mine.
Just what does your word mean? Are you words to be taken lightly or truthfully?
These are confusing words, would you clairify them for me? Please.
Stop worrying about what i said and how i said it and go get your answers. Again you made no effort to get your answers. Just keep twisting and questioning wording and structure of a sentence. Do something of substance.
You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."
Yes you may, i give you my consent. Do it. Action Ross. Action.
let me help you.
Kansas Department of Commerce
Main Office:
1000 S.W. Jackson St.
Suite 100
Topeka, KS 66612
you may call (785) 296-3481.
Actions speak louder than words.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
Stop worrying about what i said and how i said it and go get your answers. Again you made no effort to get your answers. Just keep twisting and questioning wording and structure of a sentence. Do something of substance.
You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."
Yes you may, i give you my consent. Do it. Action Ross. Action.
let me help you.
Kansas Department of Commerce
Main Office:
1000 S.W. Jackson St.
Suite 100
Topeka, KS 66612
you may call (785) 296-3481.
Actions speak louder than words.
I feel that I have written precisely and correctly what I had to say and ask. I think you failed to comprehend what that was so i highlighted certain words to help you focus. And sir, I don't take orders from anyone. Thank you.
Quote from: Wilma on June 03, 2011, 10:57:43 AM
Nit picking again, aren't you, Ross? You must be pretty bored out there on your minifarm.
No by all means no. I don't know anyone with nits.
So you are not going to contact the DoC. Then why did you asked for my consent?
Again stop worrying about the verbiage of what was said and take action to get your answers.
Send your email. http://www.kansascommerce.com/emailpage.aspx
Contact the DOC and expose EK for the corrupt organization you say it is. If you don't do this then we all will assume that you really don't want to know the truth.
Yes we know. We get it already. Your your own man, one on tells you what to do, and you don't make threats or take orders. We get it. Your not very good @ getting answers either.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 01:39:38 PM
So you are not going to contact the DoC. Then why did you asked for my consent?
Again stop worrying about the verbiage of what was said and take action to get your answers.
Send your email. http://www.kansascommerce.com/emailpage.aspx
Contact the DOC and expose EK for the corrupt organization you say it is. If you don't do this then we all will assume that you really don't want to know the truth.
Yes we know. We get it already. Your your own man, one on tells you what to do, and you don't make threats or take orders. We get it. Your not very good @ getting answers either.
I have no answers about Elk Konnected. Do you know who the registered members are?
I will try to type slowly so you understand.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 12:50:14 PM
You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent." [/color]
Please read slowly.
That was you quoting me, I said, "
I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."
Pardon me for being a smart@ss.
You weren't being a smart ass, you were insinuating that you would call the DoC if you had my consent. You have it. now your spinning it differently.
You've had plenty of answers on EK. Maybe you should asked better questions.
I'm going to type slowly for you now. EK probably has one or a few names on the LLC paperwork, other than that there is no registered member, no officials, no officers. There are small groups of people that are working on projects through out the communities.
I have been involved in EK activities, I have volunteered, I was on a action team, I've attend community conversations in howard, longton, moline. Every meeting was organized in the same manner. No hidden agenda, nobody forcing or stopping you from conveying your ideas or thoughts as long as you were civil and respected the structure of the meeting.
For all the bloviating in defense of a company whose ownership chooses to hide behind it's LLC status while taking taxpayer money, there are still no factual answers. Who are the admitted members/managers of Elk Konnected, LLC? Why are people here so afraid to say? Or are they just unknowing and not wanting to be seen as blind followers?
bloviating, really? really? ;D ;D ;D Now I am impressed.You must be a writer or an editor.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
You weren't being a smart ass, you were insinuating that you would call the DoC if you had my consent. You have it. now your spinning it differently.
I have a problem getting through to you. Comprehension is the apparent problem. I was being a smart ass by saying I was typing slow. I did not say or insinuate anything about using your quote. I left that totally open.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
You've had plenty of answers on EK. Maybe you should asked better questions.
It's a simple question who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? And requires only a simple answer.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
I'm going to type slowly for you now. EK probably has one or a few names on the LLC paperwork, other than that there is no registered member, no officials, no officers. There are small groups of people that are working on projects through out the communities.
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 02:41:07 PM
I have been involved in EK activities, I have volunteered, I was on a action team, I've attend community conversations in howard, longton, moline. Every meeting was organized in the same manner. No hidden agenda, nobody forcing or stopping you from conveying your ideas or thoughts as long as you were civil and respected the structure of the meeting.
See you do not comprehend the difference between a meeting and a conversation. And IMHO I don't believe you would know if you were being used or not as a socalled volunteer. I am sorry my man but I will no longer discuss this subject with you. Perhaps another day and another topic. Thank you for your input.
QuoteSee you do not comprehend the difference between a meeting and a conversation. And IMHO I don't believe you would know if you were being used or not as a socalled volunteer. I am sorry my man but I will no longer discuss this subject with you. Perhaps another day and another topic. Thank you for your input.
No Ross....what you really mean is he doesnt agree with YOU :P blah blah blah
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 03, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
No Ross....what you really mean is he doesnt agree with YOU :P blah blah blah
What???? You mean you don't comprend the difference between a conversation and a business meeting?????
Companies use business meetings to review company information or establish new operating principles.
Cinversation the informal exchange of ideas by spoken words.
The conversation and the purpose of this thread is to engage Elk Konnected registered members or owners in a meaning full conversation. I am using the word engage because it is a term applied by Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Square Communities, LLC. They wish to engage the community and the Public Square but seem to be fearful with out a completely controlled arena and by their control standards. Control, control, contro. That's what it's all about isn't it.
The followers volunteer to do what Elk Konnected, LLC tells them what to do. Sure you think you followers are in the loop but you are not. How come you have never been invited to an actual business meeting? How come you have no idea how many tens of thousands of dollars Elk Konnected has taken in? Do you know that some volunteers for the soccer days were paid 8 or 9 dollars an hour.
No I can't prove it and I can't reveal my source. So just consider it B. S. your choice.
Some where along the lines or between the lines more of you will wake up.
Hi Diane Amberg
On another thread you were discussing what you would do if you were running a class. I did point out that's different. But too add to that I was in Longton last night for a baseball game at the fairgrounds. And guess what, there was a meeting going on. It was the Board of the Longton Free Fair. I did stroll by the door and peer in, no circles that I could see. I watched and it apppeared to be an open discussion. I did not enter even though I believe it was open to the public. I wnted to but I had my sons ball game to attend to. It was written up in the newspaper and all the board members names were listed. There were no sheriff deputies stationed at the meeting.
After the meeting broke up I returned to the building where they had their meeting. And guess what I was welcomed in by the few that were lingering around. I only knew one amn but that's why I went back --- for a short conversation with him. One of the board members did say he saw me out there looking in and wondend red why I did not come in. It did not bother them in the least.
The community of Longton has an exceptionally friendly and gracious attitude in MHO.
I have 'waddled' through the last 7 pages of this semantic charade and wish to see if I get it right before I email the Dept of Comm.
1. Elk Konnected LLC - which needs only one person to sign, formed an LLC to assure the exorcise gym was protected from lawsuits....I understand that. I also understand that the persons signing can change from time to time.
2. Elk Konnected LLC - requested and paid Public Squares Community, LLC to hold a 'thing-a-maj-ingy' (cuz no one can really agree on what it was) to get a acommunity response as to goals. ROSS>>>>>don't go off on me just yet about intent of the thing-s-ma-jingy'
3. After this incident, a group was formed by volunteers in the specific criteria, and the group came up with Elk Konnected, whose main function is to assist in the above goals.
Now, I will inquire into Elk Connected, LLC. I will inquire into Public Square Community, LLC.
I do think the name of Elk Konnected (without the LLC) is a separate entity and the above terms at this oint should not be intertwined.
So....I will inquire as to the funding from Elk Connected, LLC for starters. This may take awhile as I do work and it is the weekend, however I get a sneaky feeling this thread may last a bit....
ready
I will post back their reply ver batim.
Your choice to make lemonade or lemon vodka.
(no reflection on choice of fruits )
Ross, ya make it sound like you think I run unfriendly classes. ;D A Longton Fair board meeting would be a homogeneous group with a like agenda, open to the public certainly. Circles would not have meet their needs. But you said the meeting was under way when you found it and you were polite enough not to disrupt it, although I have no doubt you would have been welcome to quietly take a seat. Now, if you had marched in before the meeting, demanded to speak to the chairperson and then turned and demanded to speak to those assembled, there might have been a different outcome. ;) (I wrote that for effect.)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 07:10:11 PM
Ross, ya make it sound like you think I run unfriendly classes. ;D A Longton Fair board meeting would be a homogeneous group with a like agenda, open to the public certainly. Circles would not have meet their needs. But you said the meeting was under way when you found it and you were polite enough not to disrupt it, although I have no doubt you would have been welcome to quietly take a seat. Now, if you had marched in before the meeting, demanded to speak to the chairperson and then turned and demanded to speak to those assembled, there might have been a different outcome. ;) (I wrote that for effect.)
I did not mean to imply you ran an unfriendly class. My apologies for that. I was just trying to lead into last nights event. I fell certaiin if I would have walked in with a question I would have been recieved very graciously. However at the Community conversation I was invited in, I did not march in. And I did not demand anything at the Community Conversation I simply asked to speak with the man from out of County and he said outside and I asked what was wrong with speaking in front of the community. No answer, just where are the sheriff.
Ross...I said in the first post when I came here, that I questioned your methods...read back to when I first joined. You were just activating your rights as a citizen...I get that. Perhaps your interpretation was skewed?
Now, I am not picking your feathers alive, Ross. I will do what I say.
I am not picking sides, just wondering and filtering the comments.
Sorry, I was typing as you were posting. That's like talking over one another.
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Quote"Finding the right Question is more valuable and rewarding than finding the right Answer."
Leif Ericsson
Ross: Perhaps the questions that you ask are valid ones. And pray tell - what will you do with the answers if they are not what you expected? Like perhaps an honest answer with a valid end result? (Sometimes I won't answer a question that is easy to answer, but the process in order to obtain a simple end result may be very complicated within the law and just not worth the effort to explain. And, no. I am not affiliated with the ElkKon LLC.)
I can understand your frustration at trying to 'unearth' the questions you put forth, just not so sure just asking the questions might not be perceived as a pre-predjudice of mistrust for an organization.
I am in agreement to be informed within the workings of the community. Remember, "bristling (is that a word?) is a natural reaction to questions of intent in this area. Not to say that the questioning isn't warranted....yet somehow I believe it can be achieved perhaps in a different manner. Just my opinion. ready
There it is and I stand by it, until further notified by the 'proper authorites' as Wilma calls it.
I am listening and waiting...
and Ready
I imagine you are right Diane, If Ross had DEMANDED to speak he might of got kicked out of the meeting but I believe you are referring to him being escorted out of the EK meeting and although I wasn't there I understood that he asked POLITELY to speak to people. Big difference, eh ?
This whole thread simply amazes me. Ross & Patriot keep asking questions and most of the people that come back at them with both barrels blazing , don't even live in Elk county. It does not affect them in any way. Oh I know, "they have roots in Elk county" but moved away to make their fortune---but "By Gosh , weather I live in Butler county, Arkansas, Delaware or Missouri, I know what's best for you poor morons that do not have enough sense to leave that poverty stricken area".
Now I'm done with my rant and need to get back to digging the punji pit on the path where ol Sarge goes fishing !!
Now Jar, I have no barrels, blazing or otherwise and I did say I wrote that for effect. I don't believe he said he was escorted out, but I may be wrong about that. So, if someone asks a question politely the answer has to be yes? I must remember that the next time someone asks politely if I will certify them in CPR without practicing and showing me their skills on a mannequin. Not hardly. I know, I know, tain't the same thing.
What has this any of this got to do with a judgement call on "morons" living anywhere? Where did that come from? Pity party? My father left to marry my mother and went to live in her hometown because he loved her and that's where she wanted to live at that time. Her mother was not in good health. Then being a good patriot he came here to work for the war effort doing research in badly need synthetic rubber. He didn't leave to get away from a bunch of morons.
Now don't fall on those punji sticks yourself, ya might forget where you put them....morons indeed. Good grief. ::)
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 03, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Ross...I said in the first post when I came here, that I questioned your methods...read back to when I first joined. You were just activating your rights as a citizen...I get that. Perhaps your interpretation was skewed?
Now, I am not picking your feathers alive, Ross. I will do what I say.
I am not picking sides, just wondering and filtering the comments.
Sorry, I was typing as you were posting. That's like talking over one another.
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Keep it up and even straighten me out. I am not a politician just a country hick -- no diploma's.
You do appear to be trying to maintain an neutral position.
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I can't stay on this forum 24/7. Ross, I believe it is you that has at the end of every post "Why won't they converse with us?" I just supposed you could figure out to whom I was speaking. Hope this clarified it for you.
Pity party? Laughin my silly redneck ass off! ::)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 03:29:42 PM
bloviating, really? really? ;D ;D ;D Now I am impressed.You must be a writer or an editor.
Not exactly. But my 5th grade extra credit spelling word was 'antidisestablishmentarianism'.
Think I could make it as an investigative reporter for a fair sized media outlet?
Quote from: jarhead on June 03, 2011, 07:37:06 PM
Now I'm done with my rant and need to get back to digging the punji pit on the path where ol Sarge goes fishing !!
As I recall. punji's were dipped in feces to ensure infection in the victims. I think I know where you can get all the BS you might need....you just have to ask the right questions to get it. ;D
Or use the questions themselves.
QuoteThis whole thread simply amazes me. Ross & Patriot keep asking questions and most of the people that come back at them with both barrels blazing , don't even live in Elk county. It does not affect them in any way. Oh I know, "they have roots in Elk county" but moved away to make their fortune---but "By Gosh , weather I live in Butler county, Arkansas, Delaware or Missouri, I know what's best for you poor morons that do not have enough sense to leave that poverty stricken area".
Jar...I blaze up at Ross only when his attitude toward people pisses me off. Somebody tries to answer HIS questions with THEIR answers instead of the ones HE wants. Just gonna have to stop readin cause I cant help for smartin off at him if I do.....just a bad habit I gotta break :)
I don't care about EK. I DONT live there, and dont EVER plan on livin there, sometimes we think about movin back to Severy but in all honesty the chances of THAT are slim to none.
I dont like bullies.....I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got. So you see it's ALL a matter of perception and my perception of Ross is he's a BIT ::) pushy, likes to brand whoever aint WITH him as against him and WITH the opposition, likes to "politely" talk DOWN to people, and thinks he's on some "holy crusade" to "save the sheeple of elk county" from their own stupidity and crooked politicians.
Most of the people I know are FAR from stupid and are NOT sheeple so I will more than likely pop off at him occasionally....but that's just my smart-assedness comin out. I figure people there are smart enough to see bullshit before they step in it whether it comes from EK, politicians OR Ross and co. Now I got my own booby traps to go work on ;D
LOL I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread ;D
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread ;D
More evidence that the founder's faith divine Providence was well placed.
Perhaps now someone will come forward and identify one or more admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC who can then share their specific long term plans to influence public opinion and to grow Elk County.
Mr and Mrs.'billy...someday you'll figure out my weird sense of humor. Since I have blood roots there why would I tend to think anyone there is a dumb moron?...or if they are, it's of their own doing! You seem to think I look down on you.That couldn't be further from the truth. I was very lucky to have been able to get the education I needed to be who I wanted to be.
Some people play dumb for their own reasons and I've never understood that. I'm good friends with a bunch of our downstate farmers who also happen to be volunteer firefighters and EMTs, so I've had them in class and out on the fire grounds and seen them in action. They are anything but dummies. And I do get the "Why shucks mam, I'm just a dumb ol' farm boy." My foot! I know how hard the EMT course is and most do just fine. Now, why it's fashionable for them to talk dumb but live smart is beyond me. (hence the pity party comment, meant in fun.) But we're all friends and we do kid around a lot. I get tormented about living above the "ditch''(The C and D canal that divides the state) where the rich folks live that don't have a lick of sense. But it's all in good fun. Why you won't let me do that on here with some of you is beyond me. I really like all of you except when you dump on me, honestly. I live in town now but grew up as a country kid. I spent my summers picking fruit from our orchard and freezing and canning from our big garden just like everybody else in the country did them. Heck, some of you are more citified than I am. So what? It means nothing.
Patriot, with that kind of vocabulary you would do well for any printed media.You surely couldn't do any worse than what I read every day and all the spelling errors that apparently nobody proofs for any longer. When I read newspapers and magazines I'm amazed how much error gets through. Between what the kids text and the print errors by professional bloggers and print media we'll soon be back to the old days when there was no standard spelling at all.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 04, 2011, 08:10:49 AM
When I read newspapers and magazines I'm amazed how much error gets through.
And it's not just spelling. Failure in punctuation, grammar, construction and reliance on feelings as opposed to thoughts or facts in communication too often lead to misunderstandings and misconceptions.
M. Savage is right. Language, borders and culture are the foundations that hold a society intact. Without commonality & continuity in those, cohesive society disintegrates into fragmented chaos. Hence, simple, factual questions net overblown and non-responsive retorts.
The result is that painfully simple questions like, "Who are the official admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC." go unanswered ad infinitum.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
Jar...I blaze up at Ross only when his attitude toward people pisses me off. Somebody tries to answer HIS questions with THEIR answers instead of the ones HE wants. Just gonna have to stop readin cause I cant help for smartin off at him if I do.....just a bad habit I gotta break :)
I don't care about EK. I DONT live there, and dont EVER plan on livin there, sometimes we think about movin back to Severy but in all honesty the chances of THAT are slim to none.
I dont like bullies.....I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got. So you see it's ALL a matter of perception and my perception of Ross is he's a BIT ::) pushy, likes to brand whoever aint WITH him as against him and WITH the opposition, likes to "politely" talk DOWN to people, and thinks he's on some "holy crusade" to "save the sheeple of elk county" from their own stupidity and crooked politicians.
Most of the people I know are FAR from stupid and are NOT sheeple so I will more than likely pop off at him occasionally....but that's just my smart-assedness comin out. I figure people there are smart enough to see bullshit before they step in it whether it comes from EK, politicians OR Ross and co. Now I got my own booby traps to go work on ;D
LOL I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread ;D
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
I blaze up at Ross only when his attitude toward people pisses me off.
So you don't like my attitude when I don't accept smoke being blown up my backside. I guess you believe an organization operates without a regular membership and can function on no agenda as well. Just volunteers running around willy-nilly. All that is fine and well with me, but I just don't happen to believe that. I am not bellitleing you by saying that you can believe what you want to believe, I am asking you not to insist I believe the way you do.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
Somebody tries to answer HIS questions with THEIR answers instead of the ones HE wants.
If I ask who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? That is the question I would expect to be answered. Not some lame stuff about followers/volunteers. What is difficult to understand about that.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
Just gonna have to stop readin cause I cant help for smartin off at him if I do
Aw please don't stop. It makes for interesting conversation.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
thinks he's on some "holy crusade" to "save the sheeple of elk county" from their own stupidity and crooked politicians.
That is your opinion and you are the only one on this thread using words stupidity and crooked politicians. There is noyhing holy in asking, "Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?" That in my opinion is your misconception.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
LOL I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread ;D
Nobody here is trying to manipulate you, you chose to come here and you can chose to leave. People may ask us what are concerns are and if we repond they say we are trying too manipulate them. Don't ask if you truely don't want to hear it. It's all very simple. You have your choices and we have ours.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
I dont like bullies.....I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got.
I quite agree with you, I don't like bullies either.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 07:47:02 AM
I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got.
Would please elaborate on this statement? I'm sure everyone on this thread would love to hear the dirt on me. Please elaborate please.
I want to know about my horrible attitude. This is very important to me.
Backing up one post
"The result is that painfully simple questions like, "Who are the official admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC." go unanswered ad infinitum."
Seems the painfully simple question of "Who is Patriot" goes equally unanswered.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Quote from: ddurbin on June 04, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
Backing up one post
"The result is that painfully simple questions like, "Who are the official admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC." go unanswered ad infinitum."
Seems the painfully simple question of "Who is Patriot" goes equally unanswered.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Seems you and yours are as adamant about begging suckers as anyone.
The fact is Patriot isn't a public official, and isn't running a private company that's using taxpayer resources, or taking taxpayer dollars and private donations to influence public opinion and government policy. When that becomes the case, Patriot will definitely consider Patriot's private identity your business. Until then, it isn't, and transparency in government/private relationships is both the issue and the priority.
Since you haven't answered the original question, can we assume that you are not authorized to speak officially for Elk Konnected, LLC?
No need to assume. I have no connection whatsoever with Elk Konnected, LLC, and none with Elk Konnected for that matter.
Can we assume from your latest comments that you do actually already know your answers and are just keeping this long-running
battle going for other purposes than just being a concerned taxpayer?
Quote from: ddurbin on June 04, 2011, 09:44:51 AM
No need to assume. I have no connection whatsoever with Elk Konnected, LLC, and none with Elk Konnected for that matter.
Thank you. Your direct, factual answer is both welcome and refreshing. The fact you cite two groups however raises more questions.
Quote from: ddurbin on June 04, 2011, 09:44:51 AM
Can we assume from your latest comments that you do actually already know your answers and are just keeping this long-running battle going for other purposes than just being a concerned taxpayer?
No. Those assumptions would be incorrect.
Are there two groups or is Elk Konnected just a shortened public moniker for Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from Diane:
Pity party?
Yep, that's me Diane. That's why every time someone get's" rude" with me or doesn't agree with me, I threaten to quit posting and start feeling sorry for myself. Every time I do that though I get many, many PM's (OK, that's a lie---ol Sarge did it ONCE ) that beg me to keep posting .Yep, that's me !!!
I would beg you to keep posting Ronnie!! You amuse me!!
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 04, 2011, 11:09:49 AM
I would beg you to keep posting Ronnie!! You amuse me!!
' If there was LIKE button on here I would push it on that post.. LOL
I would, too, Jar. Just try it and see what a response you will get.
Yea right Teresa. You are only kissing my behunkes so I will book a massage with you. You are bound and determined to get me on the rub'n table so you can knead my hard muscular body while fantasizing that you are working on Arnold Swartnigg ------Swatzneg---oh hell, that funny talking California guy that has his t#t in a ringer !!!!
Quote from: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 11:10:09 AM
Thanks for commenting on everything but the main subject of the last post. Are you or aren't you going to call the DoC and tell them what corrupt, agenda driven organization they gave a $3000 grant to.
I said "Call the Dept. of Commerce" so are you going to do as you said you would or are you going to just keep talking tough.
If EK did something wrong then prove it. Call your county commissioner, call the DoC, call the IRS. If you want answers then go get them. Quit berating everything everyone on here says. Numerous people have tried to answer your questions and it's never good enough. you want answers, go get your answers yourself.
Threat or not threat do as you said you would and call the DoC. Do it! I don't think you will because you don't want to know the truth.
The next response from you should be when and who you talked to @ the DOC and when we should expect a formal response. Anything else then we will assume that your questions/theories about EK's wrong doings with the grant from the DOC answered and resolved.
Deflection
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 08:01:47 PM
Now Jar, I have no barrels, blazing or otherwise and I did say I wrote that for effect. I don't believe he said he was escorted out, but I may be wrong about that. So, if someone asks a question politely the answer has to be yes? I must remember that the next time someone asks politely if I will certify them in CPR without practicing and showing me their skills on a mannequin. Not hardly. I know, I know, tain't the same thing.
What has this any of this got to do with a judgement call on "morons" living anywhere? Where did that come from? Pity party? My father left to marry my mother and went to live in her hometown because he loved her and that's where she wanted to live at that time. Her mother was not in good health. Then being a good patriot he came here to work for the war effort doing research in badly need synthetic rubber. He didn't leave to get away from a bunch of morons.
Now don't fall on those punji sticks yourself, ya might forget where you put them....morons indeed. Good grief. ::)
Its the typical agenda that most of our polticians as well as community leaders portray. They think that everyone is too stupid to take care of their own needs so we get govt nanny state. They claim they know whats best for us. I've got whats best for those folks, a boot up the ass!
Quote from: Patriot on June 04, 2011, 08:07:59 AM
More evidence that the founder's faith divine Providence was well placed.
ROTFLMAO!
QuoteDeflection
I may have to agree there. I believe:
1. Elk Konnected, LLC is a valid legal business.
2. I believe Public Squares was doing what they were hired to do.
3. I believe that Elk Connected is a group of people volunteering to help out their county.
What I don't believe and will try to follow the emphasis, is that:
Howard wants to be the only town to recieve monies in Elk County.
A comissioner needs to step back from groups that he/she is involved in without creating a conflict of interest and ethical missdoings.
Ok, let me have it.
And, Jarhead:
Arnold does have some issues, and he is best known for:
"allllll be back"
sort of like Ross! ;D
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 02:01:08 PM
And, Jarhead:
Arnold does have some issues, and he is best known for:
"allllll be back"
sort of like Ross! ;D
ROFLMBO
I like him Already.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
I may have to agree there. I believe:
1. Elk Konnected, LLC is a valid legal business.
2. I believe Public Squares was doing what they were hired to do.
3. I believe that Elk Connected is a group of people volunteering to help out their county.
What I don't believe and will try to follow the emphasis, is that:
Howard wants to be the only town to recieve monies in Elk County.
A comissioner needs to step back from groups that he/she is involved in without creating a conflict of interest and ethical missdoings.
Ok, let me have it.
Howard has NOT been the only community receiving monies.
Elk Konnected has had activities in the county: Moline, Longton, Grenola, and Severy, that I know of. Don't know about Elk Falls, but figure they're probably included and I'm just unaware of it.
What are the pecentages to each township?
That is really not the issue to me.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Then maybe we can get somme answers to the other issues.
IE the list they submitted to the County Government.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 03:04:53 PM
What are the pecentages to each township?
??? ??? ???
Do you mean how many activities are in each town?
In just the last couple of months (April, May, June) each town has had (or will have) a Day Camp, a Soccer Academy, both Elk Valley & West Elk had Service Learning Days, and a Summer Arts Program in Lawrence for all students living in Elk County or attending an Elk County school.
BTW - the very first "Community Conversation" was held in Longton. The most recent one was in Moline. It's not just a "Howard" thing.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 03:42:35 PM
??? ??? ???
Do you mean how many activities are in each town?
In just the last couple of months (April, May, June) each town has had (or will have) a Day Camp, a Soccer Academy, both Elk Valley & West Elk had Service Learning Days, and a Summer Arts Program in Lawrence for all students living in Elk County or attending an Elk County school.
BTW - the very first "Community Conversation" was held in Longton. The most recent one was in Moline. It's not just a "Howard" thing.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 03:42:35 PM
both Elk Valley & West Elk had Service Learning Days
This was an original Elk Valley yearly school activity that Elk Konnected borrowed and supposedly implemented at West Elk.
It didn't need EK, it needed a faculty that cared.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 03:42:35 PM
Summer Arts Program in Lawrence for all students living in Elk County or attending an Elk County school.
Wasn't that mainly ballet? And wasn't it limited to age? Not all childresn as stated?
When you say all children it kind of bloats things for EK self gratification.
Like their letter to them selves about how great they are.
But really who are the Elk Konnected Official Members?
Quote from: Ross on June 04, 2011, 04:01:33 PM
This was an original Elk Valley yearly school activity that Elk Konnected borrowed and supposedly implemented at West Elk.
It didn't need EK, it needed a faculty that cared.
The point was to show Elk Konnected was in communities other than Howard. Point still positive.
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Wasn't that mainly ballet? And wasn't it limited to age? Not all children as stated?
When you say all children it kind of bloats things for EK self gratification.
Like their letter to them selves about how great they are.
Different program. I mentioned the one that
will be happening this summer and is open to the students mentioned.
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But really who are the Elk Konnected Official Members?
Have you contacted ANY of the original members listed? Gone and talked to them one-on-one? Just because you (and any of us) post on this forum does not mean the answers have to be
only on the forum. You can talk to them on your own and report back, if you so choose.
QuoteHave you contacted ANY of the original members listed? Gone and talked to them one-on-one? Just because you (and any of us) post on this forum does not mean the answers have to be only on the forum. You can talk to them on your own and report back, if you so choose.
thank you mom...will do.
The member of whom I may go talk with is no longer in Elk County.
Will that suffiice?
Point well taken.
ready
off to take a nap....they don't give me one at work!!!!!!!! :-X ;D
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 04:38:02 PM
thank you mom...will do.
The member of whom I may go talk with is no longer in Elk County.
Will that suffiice?
ready
of course!
:D :D :D
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 04:30:06 PM
Have you contacted ANY of the original members listed? Gone and talked to them one-on-one? Just because you (and any of us) post on this forum does not mean the answers have to be only on the forum. You can talk to them on your own and report back, if you so choose.
Good question.
This has got to be one of the strangest political threads we have had on here.... and I should know... I have written some strange ones in the past myself. Time for me to lay down my two-cents worth. I don't live in Elk Co., I don't even live in KS. I live on a golf course. Just thought you should know this, Ross in case you'd have some idea that I'm connected to Elk Konnect, LLC or Elk Konnect. ;) Like I said... it is my 2 cents worth.. but then, what the hell do I know.
Ross...(hope you don't mind if I may call you Ross?) 4 Questions: Do you think Elk Konn is connected in some way with Soros' and the New World Order ??? Do you know George Soro's ??? Haven't you've been a little rough on Elk Konn ??? Do you feel that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule Elk County through an authoritarian World Government ??? Is the Obuma White House behind this ??? Does Lex Luther ring a bell ??? What about those Sheriff deputies... could they be Secret Service incognito ???
Nah.... you are probably just a concerned citizen trying to find some answers to why Elk Konn exists and who the members are. We on the forum have got that. Somethin' to remember on your investigation of Elk Konn.... in space, no one can hear you scream, Ross. On Earth, everyone can hear you scream...they just don't care. Don't you feel that the people here on the forum are getting tired of, "Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected ???
Whether your concept of ELK Konn is a group of reptilian overlords or a group of opportunistic "get-rich" political clowns, remains to be seen. I suggest you give it and your fingers a rest and see what happens. Take Arc fault's advice and attend the meetings... spend time with them and voice your concerns and opinions to the group... I bet they can answer your questions. It sounds like Arc laid it out pretty well as to what they are doing. But I doubt that you're going to find those answers here. Remember, "The fight is won or lost far away from witnesses, behind the lines, in the gym, and out there on the road, long before one dances under those lights" (a little Muhammad Ali quote there... yeah, I don't know what it means, either)
Try out this new perspective.... and while you're at it, checkout Obuma and see if he might be behind it. Once you find out who the members are and what they are up to, come back and let us out-of-towners know what the hell is really going on. We might have to get the Tea Party and Ron Paul involved in this.... Sarah, too. Here's a little advice on this (if you don't mind... the advice I mean): As Yogi Berra used to say, "If you come to a fork in the road, take it."
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 04:30:06 PM
Have you contacted ANY of the original members listed?
I don't believe there are any listings of anyone known to be associated with Elk Konnected, LLC. Any mention of names I've seen were prior to the formation of the LLC in 2009. And private meetings aren't the point here. Public discourse is.
Quote from: Patriot on June 04, 2011, 10:06:30 PM
I don't believe there are any listings of anyone known to be associated with Elk Konnected, LLC. Any mention of names I've seen were prior to the formation of the LLC in 2009. And private meetings aren't the point here. Public discourse is.
Sigh . . . . I'll post it again: :D
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html
QuoteAnd private meetings aren't the point here. Public discourse is.
These people are the ones most likely to have information about the LLC. Have you contacted them? I repeat:
QuoteJust because you (and any of us) post on this forum does not mean the answers have to be only on the forum. You can talk to them on your own and report back, if you so choose.
Meet them in private and come back here for your public discourse.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
Sigh . . . . I'll post it again: :D
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html
These people are the ones most likely to have information about the LLC. Have you contacted them? I repeat:Meet them in private and come back here for your public discourse.
'These people' from a thread dated almost a year in advance of the formation of the LLC? I'm quite sure they read the forum... and if they don't personally read it (given the outspoken fan club here), are you suggesting they aren't aware of this thread? I sincerely doubt it. And if they are aware and are members of the LLC, then why do they avoided a personal appearance here. Surely they could drop in for a visit.
Why the need for a private meeting.... are the lights too bright out here?
Perhaps if you could provide mailing addresses for the persons listed there (whom you consider in the know), and they could be sent a letter inviting them here.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 04, 2011, 10:40:22 PM
Sigh . . . . I'll post it again: :D
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html
These people are the ones most likely to have information about the LLC. Have you contacted them? I repeat:Meet them in private and come back here for your public discourse.
Why in private? These highly respected people have to hide in private to have an honest and open conversation. Do you actually believe that they need to hide in private? Why???
Do you really believe a so called organization to help Elk County while using our tax dollars needs to hide out?
Really!!!!!
Do you have a family member that is a registered or lawful member of Elk Konnected?
The question if they are not the actual lawful registered investors/donors/members what good would it do to meet in private? Would it be to dish out dirt, that's not what we are asking for. So why hide. Only Elk Konnected followers have talked about dirt on here, not us.
We have asked, again and again, "Who are the regestered members of Elk Konnected?"
If you are not an Elk Konnected regestered member you are only a follower being called a volunteer and we are not asking you, unless you know who the regestered members are.
In my opinion and I truely believe our newspaper editor Rudy Taylor is privileged because he told me via e-mail that i have saved that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected. I'm sure as any good newspaper man would do you are monitoring this Forum with notification of activity of this thread. So I ask you Mr. Taylor won't you enlighten us, as to who are the legal or registered members of Elk Konnected. I'm sure the majority of us here in Elk County would appreciate hearing from you.
"Who are the regestered members of Elk Konnected?"
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
I may have to agree there. I believe:
1. Elk Konnected, LLC is a valid legal business.
2. I believe Public Squares was doing what they were hired to do.
3. I believe that Elk Connected is a group of people volunteering to help out their county.
What I don't believe and will try to follow the emphasis, is that:
Howard wants to be the only town to recieve monies in Elk County.
A comissioner needs to step back from groups that he/she is involved in without creating a conflict of interest and ethical missdoings.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 04, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
Howard wants to be the only town to recieve monies in Elk County.
I believe this would be a mis-statement on the surface.
In my opinion from what I have read Elk Konnected was established during the time of the development and proceesing of the area for the wind farm and it took place in Howard by Howard citizens. Sure Elk Konnected has at least one person from each community working for them as at least a volunteer/follower. That in itself does not mean each of the communities fully support Elk Konnected.
But we don't know the regestered/legal members of Elk Konnected do we. I can sense that the majority of their supporters/followers/volunteers are from Howard, and I believe that is one of the reasons Elk Konnected actual members are staying hidden.
Let's Play Ball. Elk Konnected Come out of Hiding
Let's Play Ball. Elk Konnected Come out of Hiding
Quote from: Ross on June 05, 2011, 05:26:43 AM
Why in private? These highly respected people have to hide in private to have an honest and open conversation. Do you actually believe that they need to hide in private? Why???
You're not getting it. ??? Just because YOU choose the forum does not mean everyone has to use the forum. There are more ways to communicate than just this forum. I'm suggesting you try some of them.
If one way doesn't work, try another. Using a very old phrase -
there's more than one way to skin a cat. ;) (Not that I'm advocating any kind of skinning! :D :D :D )
Mom, they don't get it because they don't want to get it. They want to dominate the conversation. They want it only on their terms. Maybe they are the ones that are wanting to take over the government of Elk County. Maybe they are afraid of learning the truth which would shut them up. Maybe...............................
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
Maybe they are the ones that are wanting to take over the government of Elk County. Maybe they are afraid of learning the truth which would shut them up. Maybe...............................
Or maybe not. Show truth and see.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 05, 2011, 07:19:01 AM
You're not getting it. ??? Just because YOU choose the forum does not mean everyone has to use the forum. There are more ways to communicate than just this forum. I'm suggesting you try some of them.
If one way doesn't work, try another. Using a very old phrase - there's more than one way to skin a cat. ;) (Not that I'm advocating any kind of skinning! :D :D :D )
You don't get it. We are being open and forthright and we have consent to use the forum, just as you do. Elk Konnected has said they would use the forum and this is an excellent tool for everyone in the county who may be interested in knowledge.
If we were to follow your suggestion and come back and report, you would simply argue it. That is why it is best to do any conversation openly and then even you could be in the conversation. No one left behind.
Get it.
You suggestion has been heard and recognized, and we choose not to use you suggestion. Thank you for suggesting.
Will The Real Elk Konnected Officials Please Stand Up.
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
Mom, they don't get it because they don't want to get it. They want to dominate the conversation. They want it only on their terms. Maybe they are the ones that are wanting to take over the government of Elk County. Maybe they are afraid of learning the truth which would shut them up. Maybe...............................
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
Maybe they are the ones that are wanting to take over the government of Elk County.
Ha, ha, :) :) You make funny. Ha, ha :) :)
Quote from: Wilma on June 05, 2011, 07:30:38 AM
They want it only on their terms.
I started the thread and Elk Konnected said they would use the Forum to the fullest, so come out, come out where ever you are. We are only trying to engage Elk Konnected as Elk Konnected that they want to engage Elk County. This link is and invite to Elk Konnected. Are you an official of Elk Konnected?
No one not even you are forced to this thread, therefore, I can only assume that you are as interested as we are.
Will The Real Elk Konnected Officials Please Stand Up.
Quote from: Ross on June 05, 2011, 07:47:55 AM
You suggestion has been heard and recognized, and we choose not to use you suggestion. Thank you for suggesting.
If you're allowed to choose, then others are also allowed to choose. Respect that choice.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 05, 2011, 09:03:41 AM
If you're allowed to choose, then others are also allowed to choose. Respect that choice.
Please don't twist the realities here. This isn't about respecting choice. It's an invitation and the public's perception of the non-response. Nobody is holding a gun to the officials at EK, LLC. They are free not to respond.... and the public can read into that what ever they choose. I know how it appears to many independent thinkers.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 05, 2011, 09:03:41 AM
If you're allowed to choose, then others are also allowed to choose. Respect that choice.
No one has suggested otherwise.
Ross, you say you started this thread and Elk Konnected said they would use the forum to the fullest. Just maybe they have already used it to their fullest and don't find it necessary to continue to post again what they have already posted. i.e., the organizational information. I remember seeing a list of committees that would be working different communities and projects. If that hasn't changed, why should it be posted again? Besides why should they do what you think they should do? Are you some kind of control freak?
You say that a lot of people agree with you, but I don't see a lot of people posting that on this thread. I will bet there are just as many or more that support EK's silence, but just aren't posting.
Why is it that when some group tries to do something positive, there is always someone that tries to tear them down?
I don't blame people for not answering Ross and Patriot, who knows what these guys really want the names for. They are both anti-Howard, anti community programs that help youth groups, anti Liz. People reading this thread that are not familiar with Elk County, would really get a bad impression of it, thanks to these two.
Quote from: ELK@KC on June 05, 2011, 12:44:47 PM
I don't blame people for not answering Ross and Patriot, who knows what these guys really want the names for. They are both anti-Howard, anti community programs that help youth groups, anti Liz. People reading this thread that are not familiar with Elk County, would really get a bad impression of it, thanks to these two.
Oh come on, bring on the trash talk. I am not anti - anything about Elk County.
I am a taxpaying, voting, citizen of Elk County. I am also a veteran who did his duty and have earned the right to ask who wants my tax dollars.
I give my neighbors a hand when needed, and many other things. And I am not the least bit offend by your trash talk.
It's no different from the trash talk from Elk Konnected about one of our communities.
As a taxpaying citizen I have a right to ask who these Elk Konnected official registered members are that want my tax dollars. And who these people are that want to control my counties government by submitting their ideas to the county commissioners. Especially when one claims to be the founding member and another appears supports these people at the County Commissioners meetings.
I am entitled to know who Elk Konnected official membership is just as our County Commissioners our elected officials do.
So trash me all you want, that is the Elk Konnected way isn't it? If someone falls ouside the control of Elk Konnected's your job as a volunteer is to trash me and be demean ing and to lie about them right? And to make them the person look stupid, right? To get them to go away, right? Guess what it's not working.
Sir, are you an Elk konnected registered official member of Elk Konnected?
If not are you an Elk konnected follower?
You sir have just done more harm to Elk County, Kansas with your trash talk then I could ever do by simply asking, "Who are the registered official members of Elk Konnected?"
My momma alwasy told me, "Sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never harm me."
Oop's, the sticks and stones aren't next are they?
May, I have more trash please?
"Who are the registered official members of Elk Konnected?"
Ross... why don't you give this a try and see if it will help you findyour answers to Elk Konn:
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Good preparation for candidates who want to become a CIA agent starts with foreign language education. Candidates may want to take languages which are politically relevant, such as Arabic and Chinese, although fluency in any foreign language will be useful. The CIA also strongly recommends that candidates hold an undergraduate degree, which can be in any field of interest, with a high grade point average. One must also be a United States citizen to become a CIA agent.
Once someone has fulfilled the basic requirements, he or she can file a resume with the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA allows applicants to file resumes online, encouraging people to file for specific job openings, rather than to send in a generic resume. For someone who wants to become a CIA agent, the resume should be filed for a position in the clandestine service area of the agency. The CIA can take up to 45 days to review the resume and contact the applicant; if an applicant is not contacted after this point, the resume will be held for a year in case the agency thinks it may be useful.
If the Agency approaches an applicant with a request for more information, the applicant can prepare for a round of exhaustive interviews. He or she must also undergo a background check, which includes medical exams, drug testing, and a review of the applicant's past. It is not possible to become a CIA agent with any evidence of potential conflicts of interest, or if an applicant has a past which suggests that he or she may be a security risk. Once accepted for training, a clandestine service operations officer will also undergo clearance, which determine the level of information that the agent will have access to.
There are some shortcuts in the process. The Agency often recruits at American colleges and Universities, looking for bright candidates who could have strong careers in clandestine service, and students should consider attending job information sessions and job fairs to get into contact with CIA representatives. Prior military service can also be an advantage when applying to become a CIA agent, although it isn't an assurance that a candidate will be accepted.
Ross...has it ever occured to you that people won't give you the stasifaction? Irrespective of right or wrong, ethical or not I am now leaving you to fight your own battle. I was interested only as to the interest/functions/funding of the 'group'
That has been reitereated over and over.
I am no longer interested in Elk County...
I just watched a movie from 2008 called "Visoneers". I watch it on my computer through Hulu.
That movied just made more sense that this thread.
Have fun all. :-*
Quotealthough it isn't an assurance that a candidate will be accepted.
and questions are not allowed...
loved the post Warph.... ;Dwhat a good imagination, in all seriousness (refer to parody) :P
I too enjoyed your post Warph....
TaTa readyaimduck, have a great life.
"Who are the registered official members of Elk Konnected?"
What is An Idiot Savant
An idiot savant is a somewhat derogatory term for a person who has significant mental impairment, such as in autism or retardation. At the same time, the person also exhibits some extraordinary skills, which are unusual for most people. The skills of the savant may vary from being exceptionally gifted in music or in mathematics, or having a photographic memory.
Most often, the savant is a person who suffers from extreme autism. In autism, the idiot savant cannot reach out to other people in a normal way. He or she may find it extremely difficult to express emotions, to communicate through spoken language, or to use inflection while speaking. Severe autistics function best when they have predictable routines.
Not every person who is autistic has idiot savant abilities. Some appear to be more intelligent than others, but few autistic people are mentally retarded. In fact because of the dependence on the brain's right-sided functioning, facility for certain things, like mathematics, memorization and creative ability may be greater in the idiot savant.
Some studies have shown that people who have purposeful interruption of the left side of the brain can develop idiot savant skills. However, few people wish to participate in such experiments. There are many excellent reasons for not undergoing unnecessary experimentation on one's brain.
The savant skills are often called splinter skills. Kim Peek for example, on whom the film Rain Man was based, has a photographic memory. Several recognized artists could be termed idiot savant. These include Richard Wawro, Alonzo Clemens, and Stephen Wiltshire. Several people with idiot savant skills are recognized for their musical gifts, including Matt Savage, an incredibly gifted jazz pianist and composer, and Hikari Oe, a skilled composer.
The term idiot savant dates back to the concept of the "village idiot" who might be tolerated because he or she exhibited certain uncommon skills. In other cases, the exhibition of savant skills, particularly in the Middle Ages was apt to be considered witchcraft. Unfortunately, a savant cannot necessarily control demonstration of such skills, and some "village idiots" were chased out of their villages or killed.
Today, we more clearly recognize that the idiot savant is special because of brain dysfunction. Yet not all brain impairment or dysfunction leads to savant skills. The term idiot savant is outdated and inappropriate. Virtually all savants have a high degree of intelligence and are thus not idiots. Most people now prefer the term savant, or autistic savant to the insulting idiot savant.
Oh, you bet I will. Wouldn't have it any other way!!!!!!!
How did autistic savants get into this? I grew up with a right sided savant.....what do you want to know? And why would anyone think the information about the CIA is a "parody?" Very ordinary people become extremely good operatives because they seem so ordinary. Especially the couriers. FBI is no different in many ways.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 05, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
How did autistic savants get into this? I grew up with a right sided savant.....what do you want to know? And why would anyone think the information about the CIA is a "parody?" Very ordinary people become extremely good operatives because they seem so ordinary. Especially the couriers. FBI is no different in many ways.
Hi Diane,
It was sarcasm. aimed at certain people. Me being one of them.
No harm intended towards anyone else.
What Elk Konnected regestered members/owners do not communicate?
Is there a problen that they are unable to have a conversation?
Do they even show up for their publicized Community Conversations
that really are not community conversations.
They are not even round talble conversations, they have no tables.
Who are the registered members/owners of Elk Konnected?
Will even one of you have the nerve to speak up?
Quote from: Ross on June 05, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
It was sarcasm. aimed at certain people. Me being one of them.
No harm intended towards anyone else.
When used in public discourse or debate, such tactics are diversionary. Detract from the original question and maybe the clock will run out on the original question or the dialogue will be diverted to some unrelated ussue.. Used often when a valid answer is not available to the one diverting. Fortunately, there is no time clock on this forum...or the unanswered questions.
Or, it could just be a backhanded insult.
Knock, Knock?
Who's there?
No one!
No one who?
No one who is an Elk Konnected registered members/owners.
Why???
They won't come out and play.
Why???
I don't know!!
Who are the Elk Konnected registered members?
Please won't someone from Elk Konnected speak up?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 05, 2011, 05:41:38 PM
How did autistic savants get into this? I grew up with a right sided savant.....what do you want to know? And why would anyone think the information about the CIA is a "parody?" Very ordinary people become extremely good operatives because they seem so ordinary. Especially the couriers. FBI is no different in many ways.
You don't have to tell me about right-sided savants, Diane. Manny Scopenberg has a 47 year old son who is a RS savant and lives with Manny and his 4th wife Beth, here. He calls himself "Scopy Doodle" as this nickname came from Manny's 2nd wife, the mother of Scopy, now deceased. Scopy's mother dropped him on his head when he was a baby.
One of his favorite sayings is: "Like the old adage, measure twice, cut once." Scopy is a decent left-handed golfer and you will hear this saying at least 10 times before he putts or hits the ball. I asked him once about why he repeats this and he said,"I question and think about everything I see and read, and don't take things for granted. When I was young and screwed up, my father would always ask, 'why didn't you do it this way, it's much easier?' After that I would always think if there was a smarter and easier way of doing things that's the way I would go." Scopy's a smart man in his strange way... he can he can repeat the history of this country better than the History Channel can do. He can name every golfer who won and the year they won it of the British Open and the Masters. He's very knowledgable about golf and other sports. If you want to know who won and what year, ask Scopy. But, Scopy has one big problem. He feels there is a group of people behind all the HOA's in Arizona that relate to "1984." and he gets quite upset about this because he cannot put his finger on who they are and what their agenda is. He says they "just get worse and worse..." He drives his parents batty with this. Anyway as to answer your question, Ross reminds me somewhat of Scopy in pursuit of "1984."
As to the CIA. My great aunt worked for them for 37 years. I have friends associated with them. You don't have to tell me about the CIA. Now take the FBI... in most cases it sucked during Hoovers reign because Hoover went against the law countless times. Today's FBI is somewhat better... but that depends on who the U.S. Att. Gen. is at the time. In many cases they have their hands tied because of this and, believe it or not, PC.
Quote from: Warph on June 06, 2011, 02:55:55 PM
You don't have to tell me about right-sided savants, Diane.
Why you compliment me like that. I got no smarts. I'm just a crazy old fart, that has been brained by the edumaction and military brained washed into believing that honest tax paying, voting veterans and citizens have the right to free speech and that right includes asking who is spending my tax dollars. And that might include private companies with made up names. Which by the way leads me up to the question? Down a couple of lines.
Please leave the austic savants out of this, it is just plain nasty to talk about those that can not defend themselves.Next you will be picking on the hearing impaired or persons witth other types of handicaps.
Or are you representing Elk Konnected and thats the way you play? It is totally uncouth.
Who are the people behind by official ownership/membership Elk Konnected.
Everyone out here knows you are watching and reading this forum so you might as well come out of hiding.
Talk about beating a dead horse! :P
Quote from: greatguns on June 06, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
Talk about beating a dead horse! :P
What the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Who are they?
Do you know?
Quote from: greatguns on June 06, 2011, 08:40:13 PM
Talk about beating a dead horse! :P
It's apparent you don't know anything, but I'll indulge you anyway.
Does anyone out there have any knowledge who the registered members of Elk Konnected are?
So none of you out there have any idea who you are supporting?
You really have no idea who the registered members of Elk Konnected are?
I guess tha means you just follow along blindly. That's why they refer to their volunteers as followers, so I have heard,
while they laugh in the back room. Think about it. They have to be laughing. I just imgine, them saying we got them to jump through hoops er from circle of hairs to circle of chairs like monkeys. And they don't know who suggested what or haw many suggested what, ha, ha. We can do what ever we want and they buy it.
That's just a suggestion.
I noticed last weekend that Batson's was out of tin foil. I think I know who bought all of it.
nah, timber. I bought all of it up to stop this thread... ;D
Looks like Ross went out of town to buy his hat.. ???
LOL Ross, I think you are on to something, if nothing...I haven't heard back from my person that was a 'member' yet.
You know Ready.......I think you are Ross.
QuoteYou know Ready.......I think you are Ross.
Oh Roma! That is just
so wrong on so many levels!
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on June 07, 2011, 03:32:24 AM
You know Ready.......I think you are Ross.
Ross is Ross and no alias's on this forun. I believe readyaimduck is an educated man while I am a stumble in the dark, learn as you go man. I believe readyaimduck is a young working man while I am a retired old fart. Oh alos I'm not Sarah Palin answering myself or Elk Konnected writing letters to my self of self praise.
I have to share with you. ten yaers ago I adopted a little 3 year old who had been mentally and physically abused his first three years of his life. He had no idea what love was and was so full of anger it made me it made me cry, it made me angry it made want to strike out at someone, anyone but there was no one. That was a very tough situation but I learned a great deal from it. There are some very mean and ugly people in this world and it doesn't matter how handsome or pretty they are. What I am being hit with from Elk Konnceted registered members or followers does not compare and doesn't phase me at all.
I wasn't sure about how good a job I could do raising this little boy, at the age of 55, but I felt that anything I could do would be better than what the system was doing to him. I provided him with the love and affection no one else had given him. The foster adopt mother had him labeled with autism, mental retardation, ADHD, attachment disorder and so many other things, so she could collect $1500 a month from child protective services. I fought the system for a year and a half to get him out of it. And it was worth every minute and every dollar.
It has been difficult raising my son because of all the bad that happened during his first three years of life, but it has been well worth the effort.
At thirteen years old he went to town yesterday without anyone telling him to, he did ask permission. He took his lawnmower and went door to door looking for lawns to mow. He spent all day and got two lawns to mow. One paid him very little but he was very elated. The second lawn the lady said she had no money. His response, "I'll do it free." I am extremely proud of him for doing that. Extremely. I am beginning to think, I may have screwed up and done something right. I'll keep trying to do the best I can.
He is also playing baseball and Elk Konnected is not involved. I paid for his uniform.
And Elk Konnected had nothing to do any with it.
By the way who are the Elk Konnected registered members/owners?
Quote from: crosstimber on June 06, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
I noticed last weekend that Batson's was out of tin foil. I think I know who bought all of it.
Did you really need all of it.
Couldn't you have done better for your first post?
Are you a newbie with Elk Konnected? Or are you an Elk Konnected longstanding registered member?
Does Elk Konnected even have a longstanding registered member?
Do they even have longstanding followers/volunteers?
I here people quit on them frequently.
Am I wasting my time asking you? Probably. Oop's my tin foil hat malfunctioned.
Do you know anything about Elk Konnected? Most likely not.
My tin foil hat malfunctioned again.
Please for give me for answering my self, I don't think Elk Konnected wants to
give an honest answer. That's must be why they hide. Dang tin foil hat jus isn't working right.
Pardon me.
Welcome aboard newbie.
By the way who are the Elk Konnected registered members/owners?
Mr. Ross, The existence of EK or not had nothing to so with your having done a wonderfully honorable thing for that child. But wouldn't you feel sad if someone started firing questions on a forum about the "REAL" reason you gave him a good home? Especially after several years? Child slavery? More abuse? Just to pocket state money? Could you prove it's not true? Would you want to have to prove it?
Of course I in no way believe any such thing, nor do I believe EK or EKLLC are up to no good either. Yes, I know they aren't the same thing, but people do gossip and try to make connections where there are none. And there are personality types who, for some reason love to see someone else get kicked around. I guess that's why people gather to watch a fight, and even encourage them to "stay right in there." But not themselves of course.
As far as your son, that's wonderful. I know it's none of my business, but I'd love to hear the whole story someday.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
Of course I in no way believe any such thing, nor do I believe EK or EKLLC are up to no good either. Yes, I know they aren't the same thing, but people do gossip and try to make connections where there are none.
I think the bolded portion above says it all. Apples and oranges. Now what about Elk Konnected, LLCs
detailed plan for community growth in Elk County...
Ross, it's good to see that somebody will take the individual stand like you have.
And I believe that you're right about EK and/or EKLLC. Stay right in there.
So you think they're a bunch of crooks? Any proof or just speculation and hearsay, usually from quoting each other? Are you always such a pessimist? You are another one that nobody knows anything about. Are you local? Do you even live in Kansas? You always find interesting conservative blogs for us to read but we know nothing about you...Male, female? Just curious.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
Mr. Ross, The existence of EK or not had nothing to so with your having done a wonderfully honorable thing for that child.
That's a fact,that's the point. he did something nice for someone by mowing their lawn for free because they had no money.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
nor do I believe EK or EKLLC are up to no good either.
I have addressed a few indescreations on their part. But why do people that are supposedly running an organization that is suppose to be doing so much good have to hide? What are they afraid of. They want my tax dollars come out of hiding. Let all of Elk County know who they are. Show some real goals rather than just handing out lollipops and doing what the communities have already been doing. We as a county already pay an employee as an economic and youth services person. Let her do her job. It appears now we are paying her to work for Elk Konnected instead of working for the county.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 08:35:55 AM
As far as your son, that's wonderful. I know it's none of my business, but I'd love to hear the whole story someday.
Okay, I scewed up sharing with you, I was stupid and not thinking. Durn tin foil hat, I need a new one. No I would not feel sad they have a right to free speech. State money, what state
money? I don't pocket any state money. I do have a retirement income and social security and some savings. That's it. I'm poor but no welfare or food stamps.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 09:07:22 AM
So you think they're a bunch of crooks? Any proof or just speculation and hearsay, usually from quoting each other? Are you always such a pessimist? You are another one that nobody knows anything about. Are you local? Do you even live in Kansas? You always find interesting conservative blogs for us to read but we know nothing about you...Male, female? Just curious.
LOL Read the new Educating our kids topic.... "Some days he feels like a nut, some days he don't."
Always about gossip & trivialities...never about substance. Attack the messenger, avoid the message.
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
Now that you mentioned it, yes it's possible they are a bunch of crooks. By the way, can you tell us any respectable organizations
that are using the Delphi Technique in meetings?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 07, 2011, 09:07:22 AM
So you think they're a bunch of crooks? Any proof or just speculation and hearsay, usually from quoting each other? Are you always such a pessimist? You are another one that nobody knows anything about. Are you local? Do you even live in Kansas? You always find interesting conservative blogs for us to read but we know nothing about you...Male, female? Just curious.
Yes, Diane there is a Santa Clause.
Jesus do I sound like a woman. I've said many times I am a retired old fart. How many women talk like that?????
Ross is very real.
Ross lives in Elk County.
Ross pays taxes in Elk County.
Ross stood in front of the Elk County Commissioners and watched two them take offence at the suggestion the Elk Konnected used taxpayers. One even denied it even afte I said who was that asking for money just before I stood up. Oh, Elk Konnected Youth Services! She still denied using taxpayers dollars.
I was born and raised in Independence, Montgomery County, Kansas, 40 miles east of Moline. I have been gone since 1966 except for a brief period in the late 70's. Upon forced disability retirement I did a search on the internet for land. Anything in Montgomery County was far to expensivse. I did find my little 60 acre place here near Moline. I checked out the area via the internet, for schools, doctors and hospitals. The major hospitals are 60 and 80 miles away but that was the same thing where I lived in Washington state. This was a very strong concern of mine. I also stumbled on to a Readers Digest magazine that had an article with a map of all tornadoes across the US for the previous ten year period. Believe it or not it showed tons of dots and the dot's circled around this area where my place is. Not a dot one in the circle. I have watched the radar on the internet show sever storms headed right at us but divide and go north and south of us and then merge back together. I've watched it happen many times. Where is my tin foil hat?
I am neither a democrat or republican, I am not a racist or a biggot. I am not a sexist, I had 6 older sisters and 2 older brothers. We were dirt poor when i was growing up because my father became disabled. I do not regret any of iy. I still enjoy depression food's today.
I can also be a real a**hole if I have too. I will try to refrain from vulgarities from this point on, on this forum. I prefer to be polite.
I hope that is sufficient?
So you definitly don't live here do you? Or you most likely would have heard of me because of ths forum.
Too bad, that must mean you don't know the answer to the following question:
Who are the registered members/owners of Elk Konnected?[/b]
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 07, 2011, 09:15:21 AM
Now that you mentioned it, yes it's possible they are a bunch of crooks. By the way, can you tell us any respectable organizations
that are using the Delphi Technique in meetings?
Respectable no. Devious and controlling yes.
Oh, my...Mr. Ross my question was actually directed at that famous unknown person....Red....but thanks for the nice information. I was really just poking fun, but it's hard to do when you can't actually hear me. Nobody knows anything about Red. Sorry, that attempt flopped. Now I'll go away and pack...headed for Baltimore for a few days. Gonna visit some crabs and see the sights at the Inner Harbor. Have fun.
Even still, the real questions remain...
Who owns the company that wants to lead in the future development of Elk County?
What is their vision? How do they plan to realize that vision? How much taxpayer money will be needed?
Is their work all about bringing towns together? Together to do what? How will this be accomplished?
What about unique community identities? Should individual communities all be following a centrally controlled 'plan'?
Are they planning for needed job growth? How? infrastructure? How?
Beyond unclear 'community standards', youth activities, after school movies, direct competition with individuals in town wide garage sales, and attempts to influence government based on questionably derived 'public opinion outcomes' produced at highly managed 'community conversations' guided by hired professional facilitators what should we expect?
You know, Patriot, you should find a good private investigator to find your answers. If he can't find any answers, then they don't exist. Remember, PIs can use methods that are illegal.
Quote from: Patriot on June 07, 2011, 10:24:31 AM
highly managed 'community conversations' guided by hired professional facilitators what should we expect?
In my opinion failure and increased property taxes due to overspending of County funds by the Elk Konnected hidden official
registered owners/members. Just look at their list on page one. You can't build a new health center with an indoor swimming pool or a YMCA type club with the 20 years of money ythe county might get from the wind farm. That would just simply lead to failure. No rocket science in that.
Oh, but wait a minute they blame Elk County people for those suggestions. Naw, that won't fly. There are no names attached to any of the suggestions. So no Elk County citizen said it apparently. Elk Konnected has no registered members so therefore Elk Konnected technically does npt exist.Therefore can not fail. Our County Commissioners along with everyone else shuld ignore Elk Konnected just as they ignore us, right? No more Conversations that are controlled by a from Wichita County Kansas.
Where is that tin foil hat when I need it.
Who are the registered owners/members of this non existant Elk Konnected??????Won't you come out and play?
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
You know, Patriot, you should find a good private investigator to find your answers. If he can't any answers, then they don't exist. Remember, PIs can use methods that are illegal.
Ooh, Patriot is she actually suggesting illegal stuff?
Personally I wouldn't hire someone to do illegal stuff for me.
I wouldn't want to be on the 5 O'clock news.
Wilma did someone from Elk Konnected suggest that idea????
Who are the registered owners/members of this non existant Elk Konnected??????
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
You know, Patriot, you should find a good private investigator to find your answers. If he can't any answers, then they don't exist. Remember, PIs can use methods that are illegal.
NO they can't. ANYTHING they find in a illegal act is tainted evidence. Sorry but your advocating the commission of a crime.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 11:03:11 AM
You know, Patriot, you should find a good private investigator to find your answers. If he can't any answers, then they don't exist. Remember, PIs can use methods that are illegal.
And who's to say I haven't? But there's a more important matter in your post. That would be the misconception about the realities of lawful acts.
To paraphrase, "Illegal acts are OK if done by a PI." Ignorance must be bliss. Surely you are unfamiliar with K.S.A. 75-7b et seq. I presume you also think that illegal acts therefore can only wrong when committed by non-PIs. Wow... just wow. Your advisers sent you down the gilded path to Goofyviille with that one.
First it was the county attorney, then the attorney general, now PIs because you think they can use illegal methods. What next, the
trooth fairy?
While were having this fun facts chat, do you know how many admitted members/partners there are in the Elk Konnected, Limited Liability Company? Or whether they collect and remit sales tax on items sold under their company banner at city wide 'garage sales'? Or if items 'donated' to them for a city wide garage sale will be reported on their federal tax return as inventory with no cost of goods? reflected? Or if the donations were receipted to doners as a tax deductible donation?
To begin with I didn't say that evidence that is collected illegally can be used in court. If it is used in any way whatsoever, and it leads back to the person that obtained it, then they are in trouble. But surely a good PI can cover his tracks. He just can't use what he finds.
Why should EKLLC have to do something that the rest of us don't have to do. Goods that are sold at yard sales are not sales taxable. Goods that are sold by non-profit organizations are not considered income and since it is all donated, it is considered a donation, which is not taxable.
Are you going to try to shut all the yard sales down, too? You might have a lot of angry people after you if you do that.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
To begin with I didn't say that evidence that is collected illegally can be used in court. If it is used in any way whatsoever, and it leads back to the person that obtained it, then they are in trouble. But surely a good PI can cover his tracks. He just can't use what he finds.
You said PIs can use illegal methods... which, on its' face, is not true. Now you are trynig to cover your misstep with the 'crooked used care salesman' defense. Sorry, play again later.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Why should EKLLC have to do something that the rest of us don't have to do. Goods that are sold at yard sales are not sales taxable.
EKLLC, unlike you, is a business, and it acquired its' 'products' from other than their own garage (yard). More stinky stuff.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Goods that are sold by non-profit organizations are not considered income and since it is all donated, it is considered a donation, which is not taxable.
So, you are confirming that Elk Konnected, LLC is structured and reports to the IRS as a not for profit company? Great! Progress! Then that would mean you have some official knowledge, right? As an admitted member? Or are you being advised by someone who is? In any event, if your information is reliable, then production of the Federal Employer Identification Number (FEIN) or other valid tax ID number for the non-profit should be a piece of cake. We'll be waiting in anticipation.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Are you going to try to shut all the yard sales down, too? You might have a lot of angry people after you if you do that.
Not at all. Where would you get such a silly idea?
QuoteI believe readyaimduck is an educated man while I am a stumble in the dark, learn as you go man. I believe readyaimduck is a young working man while I am a retired old fart.
I do feel, although Ross complimented me...I must point out a few corrections as to not call him a liar, however a mistaken identity on his part which was not of his doing.
I am female and I am 'just under 60' :-\.
However, I do believe, you Ross are indeed a 'fart'. ;D That being said...I firmaly believe that those too should be 'let out' and explored as to the issues. ("I am NOT a Doctor, Jim!" :o)
I read the studies on Grants, and I have since lost the link. However, Grants CAN be monies set aside from the
Revenue of Taxpayers monies. Some grants are also personal endowments. Some have to be 'matched' by the entity requesting thus my question to someone who may know this:
1. If the County requests a grant to be dispersed, and it needs a matching donation that they don't have, I imagine the taxpayers would have a vote on it?
2. If the CITY asks for one, same as above? and, if they DO have the funds....we just get to sit back and watch it being spent?
3. Is the County or Elk Konnected planning on asking for anymore grants?
Ready
I am not confirming anything because I do not know. How can you take my statement that goods sold by a non-profit organization are not considered income as confirmation of anything? I suppose that yard sales of donated items conducted by churches should be taxed and that receipts for the purpose of charitable donations should be given out. I am sure that any non-profit organization would give a donater a receipt if they requested one.
Now you are trying to shut down all kinds of money raising activities. You are beginning to appear non-American to me. Long live yard sales.
If you can prove that EKLLC is a business for profit, why don't you do it? Why don't you prove anything that you say? All you do is talk and try to discredit whatever anyone else says unless they agree with you. And some of you who agree with Patriot? and Ross, think again.
Oh, and that PI thing, how do you know so much about the way a PI practices? All I know is what I read in Kinsey Millhone mysteries. And my soap operas of course. They can always do all sorts of things but they know that it can't be used.
QuoteAnd some of you who agree with Patriot? and Ross, think again.
Excuse me ma'am. I haven't made up my mind about Elk Konnected LLC nor the allusive Elk Konnected.
Until I do, I assure you....YOU will be the first to know!
Just because we agree or disagree with someone is not up to YOUR standards or par...well, this is a conversation, albeit heated and pationate and personal and somewhat quirky, I admit.
I enjoy it, so if you hate our 'arguing' so much, then they have the Soap Operas on Hulu on the computer....
going to bed before I combust! >:(
not ready just yet
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 07, 2011, 06:15:13 PM
I do feel, although Ross complimented me...I must point out a few corrections as to not call him a liar, however a mistaken identity on his part which was not of his doing. I am female and I am 'just under 60' :-\.
Hello darlin, my sincerest apology. My pleasure to apologize too.
Well, I think I got the educated part right.
I aint flirting anymore than I do with any other young women.
I save the good stuff for my wife of 19 years.
I told her happy anniversary today --- a day late and she said what?
We missed it again?
Next year come hell or high water it is going to blow her socks off.
We have such a life that really every day is important.
I just couldn't quite figure you out and now I know why.
It should have lit a light bulb having grown up with six older sisters.
I'm slippin, to much tin foil.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 07, 2011, 06:15:13 PM
However, I do believe, you Ross are indeed a 'fart'. ;D That being said...I firmaly believe that those too should be 'let out' and explored as to the issues. ("I am NOT a Doctor, Jim!" :o)
Ya forgot old in front of that fart. I am no longer required to buy a fishing license, yeah!
I gotta get in for a full physical soon and leave my tin foil hat at home when I go.
But I am still going to ask, "Who are the registered Elk Konnected registered members."Is it a secret society with evil thoughts and plans, will they be tying someone to the railroad track that they want to maintain?
ROFLMAO
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
If you can prove that EKLLC is a business for profit, why don't you do it?
I believe the main question on this thread is, Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, not who are the followers.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
Why don't you prove anything that you say?
I personally have included links with many of my remarks. Those links either took you to EK web site or Public Square Communities web site.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
All you do is talk and try to discredit whatever anyone else says unless they agree with you.
If the truth is told it can not be discredited, now can it? We are asking who are the Elk Konnected registered members and no one knows. We are not asking who are the followers. But I guess the followers don't know whom they are following. So the followers just try to cover up for that lack of knowledge by using any kind of diversion.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
And some of you who agree with Patriot? and Ross, think again.
Is that an instruction from Elk Konnected?? It has a ring of a threat to it, who will carry it out?
Or is that based on those mysteries you read and those soap opera's you say you watch? Does the statement carry some kind o weight or is it fictional?
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
Oh, and that PI thing, how do you know so much about the way a PI practices? All I know is what I read in Kinsey Millhone mysteries. And my soap operas of course. They can always do all sorts of things but they know that it can't be used.
Fiction is not to be taken seriously. No one has a license to do illegal things unless perhaps they are a political diplomat. Then they have diplomatic immunity.
Try to have a good night.
Who are the registered owners/members of this non existant Elk Konnected???
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
I am not confirming anything because I do not know. How can you take my statement that goods sold by a non-profit organization are not considered income as confirmation of anything?
Thanks for confirming your status as uninformed on the issues at hand. Your repeated statements about 'non-profit' mated with a discussion about Elk Konnected come cross as linked. If you don't know their tax status, then it might be wise not to make such an inference in your retorts to the questions being asked.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
Now you are trying to shut down all kinds of money raising activities. You are beginning to appear non-American to me. Long live yard sales.
There's a twisted response right out of the modern socialist playbook. Non-American? Bunk. Long live honest capitalism!
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
If you can prove that EKLLC is a business for profit, why don't you do it?
Why don't you prove anything that you say? All you do is talk and try to discredit whatever anyone else says unless they agree with you.
No, the point here is to seek the very answers you accuse us of not having. That's circular logic at its' best. When the answers are forthcoming, the current questions will stop. Sorry you can't comprehend that point.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
And some of you who agree with Patriot? and Ross, think again.
You tellem how to think, Wilma. They surely need your help, and I'm positive they'll love that plan.
Quote from: Wilma on June 07, 2011, 06:37:34 PM
Oh, and that PI thing, how do you know so much about the way a PI practices? All I know is what I read in Kinsey Millhone mysteries. And my soap operas of course. They can always do all sorts of things but they know that it can't be used.
We'll consider your sources... and disregard. As for mine, I try to research the applicable statutes, not fiction. Your fantasy world processes won't work in the real world other than as entertainment. Methinks that Magnum PI is not reality.
Good morning world. What a beautiful day.
I'm just wondering what any of you official registered members of Elk konnected might be up to today.
I know you followeres are still following right?
Well perhaps Elk Konnected official registered members might tell you today whom you are following.
How would that be?
Well as I said good morning Elk Konnected official members, who ever you are?
Perhaps Public Square Communities, LLC who is hired by this secret society could tell us who they are!
What do you say Public Square Communities, LLC. Can You tell us who our secret society is in Elk County that is paying you with what I believe is our tax dollars? Your input would be greatly appreciated?
Just what is Elk Konnected's credibility based on as long as the registered members are hiding out?
Where is the accountabikity for the good or bad that may come out of Elk Konnected as long as the official members are hiding.
I know they want everything to fall on the shoulders of the followers and so called volunteers, but why?
What are the Official Elk Konnected registered members afraid of?
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If you are going to continue to hide, please hide your organization from our County Commissioners Board meetings, too.
By that I mean please, quit asking for tax dollars until you come out of the closet.
The process is visible. The need, purpose & people behind the method...not so muchIn 2008, Elk Konected hyped and held a 'community meeting' to get public 'consenses' on issues of educating the youth in Elk County.
The format looks like yet another Delphi Technique 'roundtable' format....Quote from: L Hendricks on December 01, 2008, 02:36:24 PM
Calling all residents of West Elk School district - please come out tonight and be heard. Everyone will have a chance to speak - the format will be round table discussion, so you won't have to speak in front of a large crowd. FCCLA will have helpers to watch your kids - so please come out to the West Elk High School at 7pm.
And was 'led' by none other than the hired outside professional community organizer, Terry Woodbury.
For as much as some here criticize the input of non-residents in county issues, there sure seems to be a blind acceptance of Woodbury & his company.Quote from: D Whetstone on November 03, 2008, 08:50:18 AM
A Community Conversation concerning "Our Communities and Our Schools" will be held in the commons area of the West Elk USD 282 High School on Monday, December 1, 2008, from 7:00 to 9:00 PM..
The meeting is being organized by the Elk Konnected Steering Committee and will be moderated by The Kansas Communities LLC President, Mr Terry Woodbury.
The purpose of the conversation is to engage all interested citizens of the community in a unified group effort to plan the most effective educational future for our young people. As every citizen of the community will be impacted by the decisions to be made in the near future, we are encouraging interested citizens, parents, grandparents, business owners, school administrators, staff and youth to attend and present your positive ideas and to relay the questions that will need answered before decisions are made...
Quote from: L Hendricks on November 25, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
Remember everyone needs to come out to this event and be apart of the future. This will not be like any other school public forum. Terry Woodbury, Ks Communities, LLC will moderated and lead it. West Elk FCCLA (used to be Future Homemakers of America) will provide daycare - no excuse you can not make it. Everyone's input is welcomed and needed. The WE school board members have asked to be there as community members als. Please this is important for the future of our school. Dec 1 7-9pm WE commons area -
Were attendees 'part of the future'? Aren't our residents capable of holding a meeting without Mr Woodbury 'moderating? And what about direct citizen input to the school board? Are we so numerous that we need a spokesperson (read Elk Konnected)? If EK could get folks out for a 'moderated' meeting, why not get them out to a scheduled, open board meeting?
Well...the meeting was held and the forum was told:Quote from: L Hendricks on December 01, 2008, 10:56:14 PM
Thanks to everyone who turned off their TV and came out to discuss the future of our schools. We had good representation from all the towns, school board members, school administration, school staff, taxpayers and parents. Hopefully we can continue the positive conversation. Thanks to all the forum family that showed up - we will look forward to your comments. D Whetstone and I have the task of assembling the information to present to the school board. Hopefully we can have it posted this week. Again thanks to Teresa and Kjell for allowing us this avenue to discuss things. Stay with us as we grow.... Positive conversation changes the world.
The thread ended with a post on December 02, 2008, 12:37:58 pm, with no results of the 'meeting' having been posted for forum readers to see.
Why not? Were the 'compiled results' those of the majority? How do the attendees know for sure?
An example of open response in the public interest? EK got their self-compiled 'public input' for a presentation to influence elected school board officials.
Why didn't they share results here as they said they would? Why weren't citizens encouraged to attend the open meeting of the school board?
References (notice the interest of forum visitors reflected in the number of reads- 681 & 1016):
Topic: Community Conversation on Our Communities and Our Schools (Read 681 times)
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Topic: School Meeting Community action reqired (Read 1016 times)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,6452.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,6452.0.html)
Every hear the saying "The more you stir a turd, the worse it stinks?"
Patriot, thanks for the information and pointing out this.
It just goes to show that you don't have to join an organization to be of service in the community.
I'm sure there's a number of folks who appreciate the stand that you and Ross are taking.
Quote from: flo on June 08, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
Every hear the saying "The more you stir a turd, the worse it stinks?"
Is that how you refer to Elk Konnected? My. my. I wouldn't do something like that?
I'd just like to know who the people are behind it.
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Who are the registered owners/members of this non existant Elk Konnected???
Quote from: flo on June 08, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
Every hear the saying "The more you stir a turd, the worse it stinks?"
You're wastin precious time talkin to these guys Ma.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 08, 2011, 01:41:37 PM
You're wastin precious time talkin to these guys Ma.
Hi thatsMRSc2u ,
Have you learned who you are following yet?
I believe the main question on this thread is, Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, not who are the followers.
"Who are the registered Elk Konnected registered members."
Quote from: flo on June 08, 2011, 11:54:47 AM
Every hear the saying "The more you stir a turd, the worse it stinks?"
Yep. Let's stir some more to see if the theory holds.........
Before we were being professionally 'organized', there were attempts at improvement. And the new methods seem to produce the same lack of responsiveness to inqury. Read on.
Notice the interest in this topic... From July 2008 to November 2008: 113 replies & over 5900 views by forum readers...
Get pumped up!
Topic: Howard Old Bank Building - What would you like done with it..... (Read 5992 times) Quote from: L Hendricks on July 29, 2008, 07:02:09 PM
This afternoon I ran into the new owners of the ole Howard Bank Building that sits on the corner of Wabash and Washington... they are very interested in what the community would like done with that building in the way of restoring it and putting something, anything, in it to benefit the community. I told them I would post it on the forum and see what ideas you all could generate... so let the creative juices flow again...
Many fascinating ideas followed.
Get more excited!Quote from: L Hendricks on July 30, 2008, 06:06:03 AM
Great ideas so far... keep them coming... The new owners really want to restore it and make it something the community can use and/or needs. They mentioned hooking up with the Sedan bunch and getting tour buses to stop here... lodging was mentioned.... The last time I was in the building which was probably 4 years ago... there is a huge area in the basement... was very wet at the time... then of course the main floor where the bank vault is still in place (or was)... the back end was turned in to living quarters with a loft (what used to be a dr office)... Upstairs was several large room with a hallway leading to the outside stairway, but there is also a stair way inside... ADA is always a consideration... someone mentioned marketing local beef - don't know about grass fed (some of the locals don't like the taste) and seeing if Mike Hall would showcase his furniture or maybe local artists could display theirs in a gift shop atmosphere...
a cultural center is another idea... places to take art classes for all ages...music, etc...
Well let's here from some more - I am sure there are more good ideas out there...
Even more good discussion followed.
Can it happen? Of course. It's almost a sure thing! Stay pumped up!Quote from: Arc fault on October 28, 2008, 08:44:12 PM
The new owners of the Bank Building came to the Howard Chamber meeting and although most had already left, asked the for the help of the citizens for a community use for the building. Something that would benifit the entire populus but not burden it for financing. Ideas need to be in keeping the architectual uniqueness of the building.
Sure sounds solid!
And can it be none? You betcha!Quote from: lola330 on October 29, 2008, 02:09:34 PM
The owners of the bank building are Tom and Myra Devlin. They have stated that whatever the community wants they are willing to pay the "lion's share" of expenses. (That is a direct quote) I am sure if an elevator is needed, one would be provided...
As was mentioned in the thread... the owners had "lots of hats and lots of cattle". People and assets to be clear.
But the discussion died an untimely death... with no further discussion or info provided by those who got everybody pumped up in the first place.
Even an update request some 6 months later was met with no response, not even a cricket chirp.
Quote from: PrehistoricRez on April 23, 2009, 12:31:31 AM
What is going on with the bank building, I seen it being roofed when I was out of the house the other day.
Why?
All rope and no rodeo?
What ever happened to the ever so positive 'Old Bank Building' project?
For that matter, what ever happened to PrehistoricRez?
Is this a pattern with those who later solidly support the professonally 'facilitated' organization of our communities? Get excited but don't expect answers? Seems so.
Why even elect a government to manage and promote Elk County? Some of them "don't want to hear the public bitch" in formal hearings or town halls. And, after all, the privately owned Elk Konnected, LLC seems to have public opinion matters all under control.
Stay with them as they grow... But what about the rest of the county?
Yes flo.... the more it's stirred, the more it stinks.
Reference topic:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5265.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5265.0.html)
That souds like a serious El Konnected failure to follow through.
Maybe, that's why the brains of El Konnected hide out.
"Who are the registered El Konnected registered members."
I was just browsing other areas of this forum and read a little bit about attitude, positive and negative so let's see.
The Elk Konnected registered members expect positives out of their followers whilst they remain negative about facing the public.
The Elk Konnected registered members expect positives out of their Wichita County facilitator, but they remain negative by hiding and negative about talking with a taxpaying citizen openly at their so called Community Conversations.
How can anything being lead by such negativity possibly succeed.
Why should Elk Konnected be recognized at the County Commissioners Board meetings asking for taxpayers dollars as long as the registered members are hiding?
I'd like to ask our Elected County Commissioners are they registered members of Elk Konnectted? This is as good a place as any to talk to the tax payers. Please can we get a response?
"Who are these Elk Konnected registered members with such negative attitudes?"
A flash fire is defined by CGSB 155.20-2000 and NFPA 2113 as:
"A rapidly moving flame front which can be a combustion explosion.
Perhaps this is what happened to Elk County and Elk Konnected Members as well as your commissioner, Liz? (since you are quoting old posts lately from she)
Idea got started, then rose like a wildfire only to die out as quickly as it started.
Solution: Who started the dang fire?
ready
Check the registry. ::)
Quote from: greatguns on June 08, 2011, 08:55:17 PM
Check the registry. ::)
The bridal registry at Wal-Mart? :o
If you so choose.
These are my personal opinion and questions, not Elk Konnected's, not anyone else's. I don't support wrong doing. But if you do that's fine with me just don't ask me to.
Would you hire a person with an outstanding letter of reccomendation that was so well written that it made you believe that they could almost walk on water?
But then you find out they wrote the letter themselves. Would you keep them on the job?
But that's not all?
Lets say you are a decent enough employer to allow that person a couple of weeks to learn their way around the job site. We all need a learning curve with something new right? And that's great, I agree with that. But after several years with out doing anything but spending the company money and handing out lollipops and have only failed at jobs they thought mattered how long would you keep them employed. Especially when they stayed hidden in the broom closet? Who are these people/ Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?? Why would anyone continue to support people they don't know? Or support an organization that fails at anything but abuses of the Elk County Government System and taxpayers.
Except for IMHO more propaganda from Public Square Communities. Just read the following. The business, I see is Elk Konnected trying to make our county Employee Jennifer Brummel their employee.
Just as they abused the County Government web site by placing their web page on it with out proper authorization. Oh, yea it was removed after complaints to the County Commissioners, by a county commissioners aunt.
Just as they abused our County Government telephone crisis calling system untill many phone calls complaining.
So now is Elk Konnected abusing our Elk County Government Employee Jennifer Brummel and using her their employee??? Read the following from Public Squares Communities web site.
Public Square Success Stories
Business Who is getting the business?
Unique pairing creates new opportunities 2010-10-05
Elk Konnected has created a unique solution to a problem encountered by many small communities. Economic development and youth recreation programs are much needed, typically understaffed and underfunded in many rural communities. However, residents working with Elk Konnected have combined those needs to help serve the different towns in their region.
Jennifer Brummel has been working in Elk Konnected since March of this year. She has been hard at work in both fields gaining economic resources and creating programs for youth. Her dual role allows her to spend time working on economic development items like a grant just received to create new energy efficiencies for the sheriff's office, courthouse and extension office. She's also created youth recreation programs that reach out into the different cities in Elk Konnected like a summer day camp that rotated each day in order to go to where the children were instead of asking them all to come to a central location. Other programs like bringing a rock climbing wall to a celebration in one town and inflatable play gyms in another helps to bring new resources to smaller communities which may not be able to create these opportunities on their own.
Jennifer believes the pairing works in this small community. "It's a good partnership in a small town because both jobs in a small town aren't full time jobs. I love living in a small town and walking down the street and knowing everyone I see." The pairing seems to be working for Elk Konnected creating linkages between the need to build an economic future for our communities and towards creating memorable experiences for youth.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/biz.php
The job Jennifer Brummel was hired for by the Elk County Commissioners is Economic Development and Youth Services for the County
and wasn't that in March? The very same position of Economic Development and Youth Services has been filled by other people before Jennifer Brummel, so it's not a new idea.
Is this a direct quote from the County Employee, "It's a good partnership in a small town because both jobs in a small town aren't full time jobs. I love living in a small town and walking down the street and knowing everyone I see." ???? If so is she saying her job should be part time???? Should Elk Konnected be paying half her wages???
The pairing seems to be working for Elk Konnected.
Economic development and youth recreation programs are much needed, typically understaffed and underfunded in many rural communities. Have you heard the whole world is in a financial crisis, including the US of A, the individual States, the individual Counties. Have you ever heard of overspending?
Who are these people in hiding that are registered members of Elk Konnected????b]
Just wondering out loud. In
MHO none of it makes a bit of sense.
Isn't it an advantage to living in the country (rural) to get away from much of the controlled environment of the socialists?
Do you need a recreational director (or the gov't) to go camp out on the creek bank or to play on the ball team?
This new generation is very "connected" in ways earlier ones could never imagine. Facebook, MySpace, Elk County Forum and all manner of other Internet machinery. This is the 21st Century. And the great communicators of Elk Konnected, the registered members are not connected. What's with that???? Connect here on the forum like you said you would. Elk Konnected registered members what's the problem there is no better place for a good conversation than right here on the Elk County Forum. Or don't you want to be Konnected????
Come om in.
Make no mistake, the development of our youth is important. But where does economic development come into the picture? Between parents, schools, 4H, FFA, Boy/Girl Scouts and other private groups (yes, even Elk Konnected), it seems as if our youth are getting plenty of attention. Providing 'youth services' is not a primary function of government. Helping to grow and maintain a healthy economy is. So why is Ms. Brummel spending such an inordinate amount of time involved in youth activities? Why is she doing so seemingly at the behest of Elk Konnected? What are her duties, responsibilities and accomplishments in the arena of county economic development. It's almost beginning to look like Elk Konnected and county government are running a giant latchkey program.
I noticed the mention of grants to "create new energy efficiencies for the sheriff's office, courthouse and extension office". Grants, I presume that are A) Matching grants requiring county tax dollars to be invested also, and B) grants that are likely made up of other taxpayer money. And ultimately you must ask, " What about gowth and development in the rest of the county?". While government facilities surely need to be efficient and county employees comfortable, this is a brag about government helping government! Somewhat self-serving, no? What the hell are they 'developing' for the rest of the county? Priorities? Yeah, right.
I've been doing some more thinking and studying on Elk Konnected's possible real goals and I keep bouncing back to their big idea's.
And since they won't come forward, I'll share my thought's and opinions with you.
I don't expect you to believe it. I don't want you to believe it.
I'd rather you gave it some thought and make up your own mind.
I do believe they are centered on the following. And if I am right in my thinking they will be holding their so called Community Conversations in the near future. The near future when you are my age is with in the next two years. How time flies.
When they finally decide to make their move they will bombard the county with their so called community conversations through out the county from community to community and they will be frequent. Maybe as many as 10 to 20 in a month.
They will definitely use the circle of chairs to prevent asking questions. They will tell you that if you live in a town you will not have to pay city taxes, a unified centrally located government will tend to all problems. You won't be permitted to ask who, what, why, when, where or how. You will simply be told what they want you to hear. In your circle you might come up with ideas that they want you to come up with idea's like better drinking water, better sewer, repair stores, better roads, storm shelters for everyone, grocery store in every community. Heck, how about a bowling alley in every community? Guess what, there is just not enough population in Elk County to support any of it. But that's what's great about Elk County. We don't have population over crowd. I bragged about that to my friends in Seattle right after I moved here.
But stop and think, how would Elk Konnected be able to back up any promises? Will they back it with a 200 million dollar bond or even a million dollar bond. Oh, you say they don't make promises, well then they give hope. Hope of what? A better economy?
How do they back it up? Don't ask that's not permitted. Bringing in industry? How during the worst economic crisis our country has had since the great depression. Don't ask that's not permitted.
Really in my opinion, it's all about total control by Elk Konnected. They have been handing out enough lollipops to lull us in to submission and the time is soon to come to start another phase of their operation. Are you going to be ready for it.
I do believe they are centered on the following. And if I am right in my thinking they will be holding their so called Community Conversations in the near future. The near future when you are my age is with in the next two years. How time flies. When they decide to make their move they will bombard the county with their so called community conversations through out the county from town to townn and they will be frequent. Maybe as many as 10 to 20 in a month.
Really in my opinion, it's all about total control by Elk Konnected. They have been handing out enough lollipops to lull us in to submission and the time is soon to come to start another phase of their operation. Are you going to be ready for it.
Just look at what the big ideas are on their list:
Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Don't we already have a centrally located County Government.
Think outside the box.
Think for yourself. That's all I ask. No, I'm nobody. I'm not a Cty Cuncilman, I'm not a County Commissioner, I am a taxpaying citizen of Elk County, I am a retired person, I am a veteran. I do believe in your right to question your government, and to protect yourself from politicians and the wrong kind of political action committee.
I thought exploring all of these different options for Elk Co that some people think would be impossible to achieve would be considered "thinking out of the box". But let me be clear....I just moved here, although I have family roots in Elk Co going back to 1871, and I am not a member of, nor can I identify with any certaintly any members, registered or otherwise, followers, sheeple or worshipers of Elk Konnected. Yet anyway.
Maybe someday they will share with the other 2000+ residents in Elk County too... :(
South Central Kansas Economic Development District
Minutes of the
BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING
Thursday, September 30, 2010
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6. PRESENTATION ON ELK KONNECTED
Board member Jennifer Brummel gave a slide presentation on the Elk Konnected program. Ms. Brummel used an interesting slide show on the television monitor so everyone would be able to see clearly.
Ms. Brummel started by saying that Elk Konnected is a community development organization that was created through the Public Square Community. The program seeks to promote strong families, solid education and a superior lifestyle in Elk County. The presentation slides will be attached to the Minutes in the near future.
...
Quotesuperior lifestyle in Elk County.
I thought Elk County was just like everyone else in this area: We all got along with each other, took care of our own, never asked for hand outs and lived life to the fullest? Why fix something that wasn't broke, or did someone 'break' something in order to be able to fix it?
SKrucish: (sorry about the name): you may appreciate this anology: Look at computer - $20. Advise to prevent same computer problems - $30. Screw your computer up, so I can fix it - priceless.
Wow, I really don't get out much.
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 09, 2011, 06:18:12 PM
I thought Elk County was just like everyone else in this area: We all got along with each other, took care of our own, never asked for hand outs and lived life to the fullest? Why fix something that wasn't broke, or did someone 'break' something in order to be able to fix it?
SKrucish: (sorry about the name): you may appreciate this anology: Look at computer - $20. Advise to prevent same computer problems - $30. Screw your computer up, so I can fix it - priceless.
Wow, I really don't get out much.
Ready
I have another sign....
Fix your computer 25 a hour
while you watch add 30 a hour
with you commenting add 100 a hour
Now that IS precious! ;D
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 09, 2011, 06:18:12 PM
SKrucish: (sorry about the name): you may appreciate this anology: Look at computer - $20. Advise to prevent same computer problems - $30. Screw your computer up, so I can fix it - priceless.
Wow, I really don't get out much.
Ready
Its ok, took me years to train my ex's how to spell my name. LOL....
But yeah i do appreciate it. MANY Times i've gone in fixed a computer get it running perfect, set it up so they can backup their data, and 6 months later, i get a call to come fix their computer and see if i can recover data.
I get there look at the tape drive, look at all the tapes they were to backup on and not a single one had the cellophane removed so that they can back up their drive nightly. They never even bothered to back it up. SOoooooo i told them its like this,
I charge 10 dollar a Gig of data that i recover. Doesn't guarantee that i will recover the important stuff. And on a 500 gb drive, thats going to cost some bucks. Had two people pay the fee. They had no choice. I was cheaper than anyone else on data recovery. BUT
the next time i saw them they were backing up, in fact it was a terminating offense if they didn't back up every day.
Good for you!. Most people back up only what they say......And unfortunetly it is not backed up anywhere accessable...and this the thread of elk County handouts isn't it????? ???
Quote from: srkruzich on June 09, 2011, 07:57:33 PM
I have another sign....
Fix your computer 25 a hour
while you watch add 30 a hour
with you commenting add 100 a hour
Just to be clear, are you suggesting that we should be charged more for watching and commenting, or that the fixers are greedy & unable to save the important stuff?? :)
QuoteThey never even bothered to back it up.
Not to mention that they just point and click at every site! ugh
Ok Patriot. To do a parralleism (sp) to Elk Konnected and computers is very clever. It puts things in prospective as to the 'trail' if you will
Quote from: Patriot on June 09, 2011, 08:16:46 PM
Just to be clear, are you suggesting that we should be charged more for watching and commenting, or that the fixers are greedy & unable to save the important stuff?? :)
NOOO the premise of my sign is that if you make my job more difficult, the more money you gotta pay. :D
QuoteNOOO the premise of my sign is that if you make my job more difficult, the more money you gotta pay.
That right there reeks of prostitution!!!!!!!! lmao ;D
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on June 09, 2011, 04:11:03 PM
I thought exploring all of these different options for Elk Co that some people think would be impossible to achieve would be considered "thinking out of the box".
No that"s thinking inside Elk Konnected's box with the circle of chairs where they tell you what to think. Don't you dare ask a single question of them. Their thinking apparently is that everything is broke and they who ever they are have to fix it with county money. It appears to me they have their eye on the wind farm money. Is everything broken just because a few people that are registered members of Elk Konnected say so. I don't think so.
Here you go now do you read Elk Konnected in this?
Elk County
Elk County was recently awarded a $446,000 Community Development Block Grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce on behalf of Elk County Rural Water District #2. For many years rural residents of Elk County have suffered from a lack of either an adequate supply or the lack of adequate quality potable water. The situation was such that many rural residents had to depend on unreliable and often unsafe water sources or had to purchase water from a tap in the City of Howard and haul it in bulk tanks. The RWD was formed to address these problems by constructing a system that would deliver potable water to rural locations in Elk County. Phase 1 of the new Elk County RWD #2 is currently under construction with the assistance of a previous CDBG grant and USDA funding. Construction on that phase should be complete and some rural residents receiving the benefit of potable water by the spring of 2011. This new $446,000 grant will be combined with approximately $2,400,000 of new USDA funds to construct an additional 65 miles of service line and provide 2 water storage standpipes. Phase 2 will extend service to the remaining beneficiaries in the RWD and will provide for emergency storage capacity and fire reserves for the district. Phase 2 bidding and construction should occur in the summer of 2011. With the completion of Phase 2 rural Elk County residences will be receiving the benefit of an adequate supply of potable water. This will be an immediate health and comfort benefit to existing residences and spur further economic development within the county.
Looks to me like ouur county government has it pretty well under cotrol. What's broken? Did you read Elk Konnected in that any where?
Better water was one of their ideas. Guess what, it was already in the process and El Konnected knew it because one is a County commissioner. My opinion. But think about it. Check page one of this thread for Elk Konnected ideas.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 09, 2011, 08:26:29 PM
That right there reeks of prostitution!!!!!!!! lmao ;D
Welll in the IT contracting industry they called us IT ho's
I heard this morning that Elk Konnected has been paying the high school kids that volunteered to help Elk Konnected $9.75 an hour.
But I was also told they ran into a snag. One high school kid that volunteered was told they wouldn't be paid so the kid withdrew. Then there was enough of a ruccus about paying so much that Elk Konnected decided to withdraw paying the kids anything. Now that's a shame. I think the kids should recieve some compemsation, but I agree $9.75 an hour is way to much. Anyway the story I was told goes on to say because of no pay they had a lot of the kids withdraw from volunteering.
Which brings me to the question. If Elk Konnected was willing to pay kids $9.75 an hour, how much are they paying themselves?
By the word themselves I am refering to the Elk Konnected registered members, board members or whtever they call themselves.
And by the way how much is this so called summer day camp costing the Elk County taxpayers?
So how about it Elk Konnected registered members can we hear from you?
hmm wouldn't it be nice if they paid adults that much.
The water district was started way before EKLLC came into being. I hear that there are now meters, which means water, in the area where I used to live. If it took EKLLC to make this happen, then more power to them.
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 10:29:28 AM
I heard this morning that Elk Konnected has been paying the high school kids that volunteered to help Elk Konnected $9.75 an hour.
I remember the Boy Scouts doing community volunteer work when I was young. The 'reward'? A ride to and from the site, a free lunch, all the water one needed, oh... and a chance to learn what 'selfless giving' meant. Are 'paid' and 'volunteer' really workable in the same sentence?
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 10:29:28 AM
Which brings me to the question. If Elk Konnected was willing to pay kids $9.75 an hour, how much are they paying themselves?
By the word themselves I am refering to the Elk Konnected regigstered members, board members or whtever they call themselves.
Not something a private company is required to disclose, but an interesting question, nonetheless.
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 10:29:28 AM
And by the way how much is this so called summer day camp costing the Elk County taxpayers?
I believe the funds are most, if not all taxpayer monies as the money for the camp was allocated to the county recreation budget from tax revenues last year. If that's the case, shouldn't the taxpayers (the ones that bear some of the highest tax rates in Kansas) at least be given some credit for sponsoring the event? EK appears to be taking all the credit. There is a difference between EK money & taxpayer revenues, isn't there? But, I could be wrong.
Quote from: Ross on June 09, 2011, 10:21:38 PM
Here you go now do you read Elk Konnected in this?
Nope. Looks like the rural water district company & citizens did pretty well themselves.... without a professionally facilitated community roundtable conversation.
OK, I'm going to reply to this trash one more time. Last year the kids got paid $8.00 per hour for working day camp. They were paid from a grant from Kansas Health Foundation which was through a hospital in Wichita. This year no one had heard from the grant.....thought maybe they wouldn't get it. So they were looking for volunteers.....adults or kids. THEN the first of June the grant came in and they decided to hire a few kids, but some of the kids who wanted to work had already gotten good summer jobs. Some are still available. This year they will be paid minimum wage.
I don't know who you "heard" all your information from; but buddy, they were wrong.
Oh, yes...Elk Konnected volunteers get paid nothing.
Quote from: mayflower on June 10, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
OK, I'm going to reply to this trash one more time. Last year the kids got paid $8.00 per hour for working day camp. They were paid from a grant from Kansas Health Foundation which was through a hospital in Wichita. This year no one had heard from the grant.....thought maybe they wouldn't get it. So they were looking for volunteers.....adults or kids. THEN the first of June the grant came in and they decided to hire a few kids, but some of the kids who wanted to work had already gotten good summer jobs. Some are still available. This year they will be paid minimum wage.
I don't know who you "heard" all your information from; but buddy, they were wrong.
So you are an Elk Konnected registered memeber, good. But why is it trash, because if it ain't Elk Konnected talking it's trash. I happen to believe the person I spoke with and it's not nice to call what Elk County citizens and business people say trash. How does that make Elk County look. Just another put down of Elk County by Elk Konnected.
How do you keep tax dollars seperate from grant dollars?
I know you have been payig attention for a long while so, now that you have came out of the closet, can we have some real conversations?
Quote from: mayflower on June 10, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Oh, yes...Elk Konnected volunteers get paid nothing.
But, Elk Konnected has been calling the kids volunteers in the newspaper.
Oh you mean the followers don't you?
Quote from: mayflower on June 10, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
OK, I'm going to reply to this trash one more time...
...I don't know who you "heard" all your information from; but buddy, they were wrong.
Thanks for your gentile, ladylike response.
A recognition grant of $13,800 to the grantee,
Elk County, was approved by the Kansas Health Foundation (KHF) on May 22, 2011 for the 'Elk Konnected Day Camp'. The approved purpose of this recognition grant was for: " A Summer day camp for grade school kids living in Elk & Greenwood Counties.". So the government entity,
Elk County, was the
applicant and grantee.Previously, in 2009,
Elk County applied for and received a recognition grant in the amount of $13,522 from the Kansas Health Foundation with the approved purpose being: "to support a six week summer day camp experience for 1st through 6th grade students that teaches good nutrition & the importance of physical activity." Elk Konnected was not mentioned by name in the grant title or purpose.
These facts raise other questions. Those KHF recognition grants are available only to organizations that are tax exempt under IRS Section 501(c)(3), government entities or churches.
Recognizing that EK, LLC was not formed until after the summer of 2009, why did the county solicit the 2011 grant?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC a for profit company and therefore not qualified to receive these grants directly?
If it is tax exempt, why did EK,LLC not apply for its' own grant?
Were any additional monies from taxpayer resources
solicited or used for the current summer day camp program?
Simple, polite & factual, answers to those four questions would be would be appreciated.
P.S. I realize that KHF monies are private and not public... so let's not waste time going there.
What does EKLLC have to do with a grant that Elk County applied for and received? I don't understand what you are asking.
Quote from: Wilma on June 10, 2011, 04:53:16 PM
What does EKLLC have to do with a grant that Elk County applied for and received? I don't understand what you are asking.
Title of the 2011 grant: "
Elk Konnected Day Camp"
Approved purpose of the grant: "
A Summer day camp for grade school kids living in Elk & Greenwood Counties"
Grantee (applicant & recipient of the grant): "
Elk County"
Is EK, LLC not responsible for coordinating and putting on the camp? Elk Konnected is taking credit for it, no?
Quote from: Wilma on June 10, 2011, 01:28:44 PM
The water district was started way before EKLLC came into being. I hear that there are now meters, which means water, in the area where I used to live. If it took EKLLC to make this happen, then more power to them.
I said Elk Konnected had it as a suggestion on their list they just turned into the County Commissioners. That means they are a bunch of days late. It was already a done deal. Elk Konnected had nothing to do with it. Nothing at all.
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 10:29:28 AM
I heard this morning that Elk Konnected has been paying the high school kids that volunteered to help Elk Konnected $9.75 an hour.
But I was also told they ran into a snag. One high school kid that volunteered was told they wouldn't be paid so the kid withdrew. Then there was enough of a ruccus about paying so much that Elk Konnected decided to withdraw paying the kids anything. Now that's a shame. I think the kids should recieve some compemsation, but I agree $9.75 an hour is way to much. Anyway the story I was told goes on to say because of no pay they had a lot of the kids withdraw from volunteering.
Which brings me to the question. If Elk Konnected was willing to pay kids $9.75 an hour, how much are they paying themselves?
By the word themselves I am refering to the Elk Konnected registered members, board members or whtever they call themselves.
And by the way how much is this so called summer day camp costing the Elk County taxpayers?
So how about it Elk Konnected registered members can we hear from you?
Quote from: mayflower on June 10, 2011, 02:06:49 PM
OK, I'm going to reply to this trash one more time. Last year the kids got paid $8.00 per hour for working day camp. They were paid from a grant from Kansas Health Foundation which was through a hospital in Wichita. This year no one had heard from the grant.....thought maybe they wouldn't get it. So they were looking for volunteers.....adults or kids. THEN the first of June the grant came in and they decided to hire a few kids, but some of the kids who wanted to work had already gotten good summer jobs. Some are still available. This year they will be paid minimum wage.
I don't know who you "heard" all your information from; but buddy, they were wrong.
Quote from: mayflower on June 10, 2011, 02:16:42 PM
Oh, yes...Elk Konnected volunteers get paid nothing.
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 03:33:41 PM
So you are an Elk Konnected registered memeber, good. But why is it trash, because if it ain't Elk Konnected talking it's trash. I happen to believe the person I spoke with and it's not nice to call what Elk County citizens and business people say trash. How does that make Elk County look. Just another put down of Elk County by Elk Konnected.
How do you keep tax dollars seperate from grant dollars?
I know you have been payig attention for a long while so, now that you have came out of the closet, can we have some real conversations?
So Mayflower I guess since you wont respond to being a registered member of Elk Konnected, you mut be a follower that does not know the inner workings of Elk Konnected. Are they really a secret society?
oh, well since you don't know I guess the first quoote in this response must be true as stated and your must be the false statement.
Quote from: Patriot on June 10, 2011, 03:40:23 PM
A recognition grant of $13,800 to the grantee, Elk County, was approved by the Kansas Health Foundation (KHF) on May 22, 2011 for the 'Elk Konnected Day Camp'. The approved purpose of this recognition grant was for: " A Summer day camp for grade school kids living in Elk & Greenwood Counties.". So the government entity, Elk County, was the applicant and grantee.
Previously, in 2009, Elk County applied for and received a recognition grant in the amount of $13,522 from the Kansas Health Foundation with the approved purpose being: "to support a six week summer day camp experience for 1st through 6th grade students that teaches good nutrition & the importance of physical activity." Elk Konnected was not mentioned by name in the grant title or purpose.
So I wonder now. Does that mean Jennifer Brummel our Elk County Economic Devlopment and Youth Services employee is the one that should be recieving credit for the summer day camp? Is she also running the program? If so, I would say Elk County is doing a fine job for our youths. And with the summerball games of Peewee ball, Little League and Babe Ruth sponsered by all the little communities in the county, I think they are doing an excellent job. Oh, and the parents of the players pay for their kids uniforms, too.
So what is elk konnected doing? Besides taking credit.
QuoteSo what is elk konnected doing? Besides taking credit.
Part of me really wants to move to Elk County and be a member of Elk Konnected.
How can I do that when I move?
I have ran the Howard Ball Club for the past 10 years and Elk Konnected has had nothing to do with it. However, some of the people that you have complained about are parents that have been very active in the Ball Club and willing to help out whenever there has been a need, (i.e. coaching, concession stand, bringing refreshments for the kids). I know that both Longton and Howard ball teams receive donations from the county as well as the cities of Longton, Moline, and Howard.... tax payer money. This has been to offset costs of uniforms, insurance, equipment, chalk, etc. If we charged parents for the full cost of all of this as well as maintaining the fields, parents with more than one child would not be able to afford to have the children play ball. The county, as well has the cities, have recreation funds to help, and if my tax money is going to benefit the youth in the county I for one think it is money well spent. Would much rather see it go there than to some of the other things it goes to. As far as Elk Konnected is concerned and as you put it their "followers', more power to you!!!
Quote from: gina on June 10, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
Would much rather see it go there than to some of the other things it goes to.
Just curious... other things like what specifically?
Quote from: gina on June 10, 2011, 07:38:15 PM
I have ran the Howard Ball Club for the past 10 years and Elk Konnected has had nothing to do with it. However, some of the people that you have complained about are parents that have been very active in the Ball Club and willing to help out whenever there has been a need, (i.e. coaching, concession stand, bringing refreshments for the kids). I know that both Longton and Howard ball teams receive donations from the county as well as the cities of Longton, Moline, and Howard.... tax payer money. This has been to offset costs of uniforms, insurance, equipment, chalk, etc. If we charged parents for the full cost of all of this as well as maintaining the fields, parents with more than one child would not be able to afford to have the children play ball. The county, as well has the cities, have recreation funds to help, and if my tax money is going to benefit the youth in the county I for one think it is money well spent. Would much rather see it go there than to some of the other things it goes to. As far as Elk Konnected is concerned and as you put it their "followers', more power to you!!!
I was bragging about the communities about their efforts doing the ball games. Yes I'm aware the county chips in and I'm tickled about that too. And all without Elk Konnected. Good Job. No great job.
Personally, I feel that if my tax money is used to feed inmates at the Elk County Jail, those inmates can have beans, bread, and water daily!
I have never heard anyone say Elk Konnected has tried to take credit for the summer ball program, except here from your post.
Quote from: gina on June 10, 2011, 07:50:58 PM
Personally, I feel that if my tax money is used to feed inmates at the Elk County Jail, those inmates can have beans, bread, and water daily!
I have never heard anyone say Elk Konnected has tried to take credit for the summer ball program, except here from your post.
I did not say that either. I was pointing out that Elk Konnected is not needed. Things get done just fine within the communitties and the county without their secret society. And I am not refering to their volunteers/followers.
You must be the only one that thinks it is a secret society. Weren't you yourself admitted to one of their meetings and left it of your own volition?
Wow, Volition was not used until Sarah Palin used it. Now it is a buzz word, albeit appropiately placed.
Wilma, just out of curiousity...why are you defending Elk Konnected so furiously? and why do you lash out at Ross so much?
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QuotePersonally, I feel that if my tax money is used to feed inmates at the Elk County Jail, those inmates can have beans, bread, and water daily!
Gina:
I am with you there. Why don't we ask the inmates to clean up the streets in Molin/Longton/Howard, etc. Let them feel proud of a job well done like Elk Konnected! And don't pay them!
Ready
Quote from: Wilma on June 10, 2011, 08:36:59 PM
You must be the only one that thinks it is a secret society. Weren't you yourself admitted to one of their meetings and left it of your own volition?
They do not invite anyone to their their meetings.
What you are refering is their community conversations. And you are not allowed to have a conversation with Elk Konnected only with the other people that show up at their community conversation. When I tried to talk with them I was told they would talk outside. When I said I wished to talk with them in front of the community that is when the man politely asked where the sheriff was. And I politely walked out.
If they are not a secret society what are they? Who are they? Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? Wilma I have asked many times and no answers, therefore they must be a secret society. I can't think of anything else to call these people, can you?
Why is the Sheriff siding with EK? Seems like we should to hear more about the Sheriff and his involvement.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 10, 2011, 09:14:01 PM
Why is the Sheriff siding with EK? Seems like we should to hear more about the Sheriff and his involvement.
It was actually a couple of deputies. And they were very polite and met me halfway out of the building. They were complete gentlemen.
I would assume they were there to protect the instigators --- Elk Konnected. I am kidding. LOL
I think they show up at all Elk Konnected's conversations but i wouldn't swear to it.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 10, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Wow, Volition was not used until Sarah Palin used it. Now it is a buzz word, albeit appropiately placed.
Wilma, just out of curiousity...why are you defending Elk Konnected so furiously? and why do you lash out at Ross so much?
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Wilma are you picking on me? I really didn't think you were picking on me.
I think you are a sweet lady just asking questions.
Tell me please.
Here's a thought:
Perhaps Elk Konnected is a group that made the County residents of said county feel good about
the things that they were ALREADY doing? ???
If so, then Elk Konnected can pat themselves on the back. The residents of the REAL Elk County already knew this as a fact.
Now, as to the grants and the money issues....well, I need to sleep on that one.
a tired ready
Since when does the word 'Volition' belong to Sarah Palin. I've used it as applicable for decades. I'd be willing to bet that Wilma has been familiar with the word long before Sarah even touched a basketball. Cut the condescending crap.
Me, picking on Ross? Who is it that takes every one of my posts and tears it to pieces, sentence by sentence? And what does he prove? Just that his mentality cannot take him past what he considers a slight. And as for using the wrong term for EKLLC, EK or whatever. Since when are the deputies called sheriff?
Goodness! I'm not sure cat fights are going to answer any of the as yet unanswered questions about Elk Konnected, LLC and their commingling with the government and tne employees of the taxpayers.
Quote from: Patriot on June 11, 2011, 07:50:38 AM
Goodness! I'm not sure cat fights are going to answer any of the as yet unanswered questions about Elk Konnected, LLC and their commingling with the government and tne employees of the taxpayers.
It to will pass, just like gas. LOL
I was"t offended in the least little bit.
Just a little misconception that's all.
Quote from: Ross on June 10, 2011, 09:20:17 PM
It was actually a couple of deputies. And they were very polite and met me halfway out of the building. They were complete gentlemen.
I do believe the technical title would be Elk County Deputy Sheriff's.
You are right it's just a diversion from the subject by an Elk Konnected follower?
What if Elk Konnected really is a secret society?
What if it is a secret society of the wealthy in Elk County?
What would be the purpose?
What would be the goals?
Why?
What other reason would they have to be hiding?
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Oh "goodness" more condescending crap.
I'm back from our trip in Baltimore, just made myself a bowl of popcorn (hypothetically) and I'm catching up on this very entertaining thread.
Mr. Ross, "the technical title" of those nice law enforcement folks would be Elk County Deputy Sheriffs... No apostrophe, not possessive, simple plural. (Poke ,Poke ;)) Be careful, I'm one of those spelling police... ;D and yes, I do know a typo from an error.
Mr. Ross, and secondarily Patriot, at this point, so long after the original questions ,IMHO you are just being ignored. I think they have just moved on to work on the projects that are up and running. Some of the ideas from those earlier posted interest lists were easy to get started on, others would have to be long range planning objectives, like economic improvements. I know one interest had to do with encouraging new blood to help with projects that have indeed gone on for years. It's been the same few people over and over again. They needed and wanted help. Perhaps the committees have gotten some new interest as the result of those group sessions. I'm just guessing, someone would have to say as to whether I'm right or wrong. Even something one enjoys can get old after too many years of doing it with little new interest or enthusiasm. Been there done that!
Maybe one needs to take a deeper look into the projects and how they are being done.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 11, 2011, 10:31:18 AM
I'm back from our trip in Baltimore, just made myself a bowl of popcorn (hypothetically) and I'm catching up on this very entertaining thread.
Mr. Ross, "the technical title" of those nice law enforcement folks would be Elk County Deputy Sheriffs... No apostrophe, not possessive, simple plural. (Poke ,Poke ;)) Be careful, I'm one of those spelling police... ;D and yes, I do know a typo from an error.
Mr. Ross, and secondarily Patriot, at this point, so long after the original questions ,IMHO you are just being ignored. I think they have just moved on to work on the projects that are up and running. Some of the ideas from those earlier posted interest lists were easy to get started on, others would have to be long range planning objectives, like economic improvements. I know one interest had to do with encouraging new blood to help with projects that have indeed gone on for years. It's been the same few people over and over again. They needed and wanted help. Perhaps the committees have gotten some new interest as the result of those group sessions. I'm just guessing, someone would have to say as to whether I'm right or wrong. Even something one enjoys can get old after too many years of doing it with little new interest or enthusiasm. Been there done that!
Well I ain't to good at that proper puctuoation stuff. so pardun this redneck hick. LOL You definitly could assume something of the order you are suggesting, but I don't.
I lived in a small community in Texas that was about 2000 people. They too had a pretty hgh levy. So the city told every one they were going to raise the values on their properties to the present day value and cut the levy by 1/2. Sounds good right. Now your property is worth a whole lot more money but your taxes remain the same. The city said now we look a lot more affordable for people that may want to move here, we have the lowest tax levy in the state. I tried to warn the people in the community what would happen. But they voted for it anyway. A year later the city came back and said we have the lowest tax levy in the state so we are going to raise your taxes. And they did it year after year. What a bargin, huh.
What exactly is this private groups plans? I'm speaking of the group of people that are staying hidden. I can't believe it is just to hand out lollipops using county resources. We have effectively shown on this thread that they are not doing anything new except praising themselves. What, what, what?
Quote from: Ross on June 11, 2011, 11:38:28 AM
I lived in a small community in Texas that was about 2000 people. They too had a pretty hgh levy. So the city told every one they were going to raise the values on their properties to the present day value and cut the levy by 1/2. Sounds good right. Now your property is worth a whole lot more money but your taxes remain the same. The city said now we look a lot more affordable for people that may want to move here, we have the lowest tax levy in the state. I tried to warn the people in the community what would happen. But they voted for it anyway. A year later the city came back and said we have the lowest tax levy in the state so we are going to raise your taxes. And they did it year after year. What a bargin, huh.
That goes to show a majority of people are sheep. Dumb as a rock. We used to use that to our advantage in sales. Present them with a offer, stir up the natural emotion that invokes greed, then hit them with a fear of loss and they fall for it every time.
Mr. Ross, that's ain't " too'' good at that proper....sorry, the devil made me do it. ;) I'll be good, honest. :-X Well, for now at least.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 11, 2011, 12:26:30 PM
Mr. Ross, that's ain't " too'' good at that proper....sorry, the devil made me do it. ;) I'll be good, honest. :-X Well, for now at least.
I'd knowed that, just fergot fer the momentum.
Ha, ha, LOL.
If we can't laugh at ourselves we can't laugh at nuten'.
If ya can't have fun, ya can't have nothing.
Keep smiling. :D :D :D :D :D :D
Quotemore condescending crap.
Well, now if that isn't calling the pot black...I give up.
anyways, back to the topic at hand:
Perhaps it's about using county resources for things that the county has already been doing.
Am I wrong on this?
ready
I am not concerned about who is Elk Connected is, rather then what are they up to.
Are they riding on the tailcoats like most politicans do, of the active citizens of Elk County and double dipping into funds that aren't right there in this time?
Can anyone spell H-A-N-D-O-U-T-S at the taxpayer's expense?
Ok, that was hypothetical?
ready
QuotePresent them with a offer, stir up the natural emotion that invokes greed, then hit them with a fear of loss and they fall for it every time.
just like categorically politicians, churches (if not sincere), car salesmen and Avon Products.
Ok, computer techs may have an edge just to make a piont.
Let's try digesting this.Quote from: Arc fault on May 18, 2011, 02:57:09 PM
We are just like a sheep need to be herded. If Sam says "no wind" we will now be pro road-apples and saddle up.
I think the visioning is the same as steering. A group of government and industry people in a structured meeting with published itinerary conversing about guiding the public towards a more positive future. It consisted of grandstanding the numbers of the projected tourism dollars. Looking at national trends and local assets and trying to unify an entire third of the state shifting the negatives of the proposal to accentuate the positives. Even had the gall to suggest, from one of the largest recipients of wind energy moneys in the state, that we name our personally branded bovine as Flint Hills beef to be a tag worn with honor with a promise of better relations with the ranchers if we increase the value of their toil by 20%.
Who sponsored this event and what day did they publish their blah, blah, blah?
Talking about sheeple???? Guiding the public???? And a structured meeting???? Grandstanding???? Forget the negatives and accentuate the positive???
Promise better relationships????
Quote from: Arc fault on May 19, 2011, 09:42:37 PM
October 2007
For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT. This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past.
The first instructions we received from the conversation leader, Terry Woodbury, was that we have to start expelling all the negative thoughts and perceptions of the past. We also have to think like a COUNTY COMMUNITY, instead of each city. Because; if we don't work together, ALL the cities will fade away. Our second instructions were that we were not there to point out the problems or to point fingers... we were there to start thinking about SOLUTIONS.
Steering Committee??? Dying County???? Place of the future???? Instructions???? Exspell the negative???? Cities will fade away????
Don't point out problems?????
What's the difference between the States Steering Committee and Elk Konnected's Steering Committee???
What's the difference between the States sheeple and Elk Konnected sheeple????
Isn't it all about control, that's what Steering committee's do and what facilitators do.
Isn't the man saying that is what the state did to stop wind farms, it appears the same thing is happening with in Elk Konnected.
What's with that??CONTROL
Centralized Unified Government just like the Centralized Unified School Campus
Why didn't you post the rest of the quote that tells about the rest of the meeting? Doesn't the rest of the meeting meet your standards for criticism? If anyone wants to read the whole post, you can find it on pages 26 & 27. The date of the post is May 19, not May 18. Help yourselves to the truth. Don't just take someone else's word for what was posted.
Ross, you really reached back for this one, didn't you?
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 07:49:15 AM
Why didn't you post the rest of the quote that tells about the rest of the meeting? Doesn't the rest of the meeting meet your standards for criticism? If anyone wants to read the whole post, you can find it on pages 26 & 27. The date of the post is May 19, not May 18. Help yourselves to the truth. Don't just take someone else's word for what was posted.
Ross, you really reached back for this one, didn't you?
I should not have to explain this, it is easily understood.
This is not concerning what the meetings are about but how the meetings appear to be perceived by Arc Fault, each followed by my remarks.There is absolutely nothing deceptive in my post, I am not trying to hide anything.
As far as the dates I did not put them there. They are a direct result of the quote.
If anyone chooses to, or is interested in reading the post all they have to do is click on the area above the blue box that says
Quote from: Arc fault on May 19, 2011, 10:42:37 pm or Quote from: Arc fault on May 18, 2011, 03:57:09 pm
I should not have to explain this, it is easily understood. Please go back and read it again and then tell me what you think. Thank you.
Quote from: Wilma on June 12, 2011, 07:49:15 AM
Why didn't you post the rest of the quote that tells about the rest of the meeting? Doesn't the rest of the meeting meet your standards for criticism? If anyone wants to read the whole post, you can find it on pages 26 & 27. The date of the post is May 19, not May 18. Help yourselves to the truth. Don't just take someone else's word for what was posted.
Ross, you really reached back for this one, didn't you?
Wilma, the post that tells of the rest of the meeting was #251 dated May 19. Why do you suggest that Ross lied? Seems to me you just want to distract others from facts and the context of this thread by sending them chasing wild geese. Come to think of it, that seems to be the entire objective of EK and their minions on here. What instructions is Dear Leader giving now?
Then again, people who are busy chasing geese have no time to notice the snakes in the grass, do they? Serves your coach's agenda quite well, doesn't it?
Ready's questions stands: "Why do you defend EK so vociferously and why do you attack Ross at every turn for seeking facts?"Of course, all those other unanswered questions also remain.
And then there's Arc Fault's (ADP's, PAT RIOT's, Sybil's, whoever's) diatribe in 2008 waxing lovingly about tourists seeing an Artiesian well, a limestone arch bridge while enjoying trail rides on horseback through the Elk county prairies to a 200 megawatt wind farm. Foreshadowing of a plan already in the works even then? Possibly? Oh, you missed that one? It's there. Go fish.
Patriot did you understand the significance of my post #871 showing the operation and control of both meetings as quoted from Arc?
Did anyone else understand the control mechanisms parallels?
Read this post carefully. Are there dots to be connected?
Quote from: Arc fault on May 18, 2011, 02:57:09 PM
We are just like a sheep need to be herded. If Sam says "no wind" we will now be pro road-apples and saddle up...
...I think the visioning is the same as steering. A group of government and industry people in a structured meeting with published itinerary conversing about guiding the public towards a more positive future. It consisted of grandstanding the numbers of the projected tourism dollars. Looking at national trends and local assets and trying to unify an entire third of the state shifting the negatives of the proposal to accentuate the positives. Even had the gall to suggest, from one of the largest recipients of wind energy moneys in the state, that we name our personally branded bovine as Flint Hills beef to be a tag worn with honor with a promise of better relations with the ranchers if we increase the value of their toil by 20%...
...With the current bio security issues and there has been an outbreak of a horrid equine disease: Rhino EHV-1 (Equine Herpesvirus)...
So lets promote getting horses from all over the country to come together in one place for extended periods of time...
...Thursday is a summit on the governor's new line of tack and synthetic pleather saddles. All nylon, no leather, from a subsidized Koch oil byproduct extruded by BASF in New Dehli, because killing cows is wrong in India. One of our principle markets for rich people that have never been on horse with a good monetary exchange rate. Mc Donalds in the aforementioned zone will now only serve curry and bean paste on a bun. The product will launch a new partnership between the grassroots Tea party movement and the telemarketers industry...
...When the naked PETA protesters show up in town to protest the using of a horse to carry us to the visioneering retreat will have made it...
...I was wondering who was going the buy all the back-stocked tins of imported caviar, now I will rest assured Sam has us down the head-to-tail guided trail of enlightenment.
For all the sarcasm, it occurs to me that liberal progressive socialists react so violently in two situations...
First, when any idea stands to expose their agenda of social controls and top down government planning, and;
Second, when any non-socialist proposes a plan that would popularize and therefore screw up their quiet plans to do the very thing proposed while quietly maintaining their elitist control over it.
I repeat:Quote from: Patriot on June 12, 2011, 08:31:02 AM
And then there's Arc Fault's (ADP's, PAT RIOT's, Sybil's, whoever's) diatribe in 2008 waxing lovingly about tourists seeing an Artiesian well, a limestone arch bridge while enjoying trail rides on horseback through the Elk county prairies to a 200 megawatt wind farm. Foreshadowing of a plan already in the works even then? Possibly?
"A group of government and industry people in a structured meeting with published itinerary conversing about guiding the public towards a more positive future, consisting of grandstanding..."
What is Elk Konnected, LLC's plan for the development of Elk County. I can see what's in it for the central planners. But what's in it for the rest of the citizens?
And who are the private owners of Elk Konnected, LLC? A group of government and industry people? Hmmmm.
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 08:45:35 AM
Patriot did you understand the significance of my post #871 showing the operation and control of both meetings as quoted from Arc?
Only the blind could miss it, Ross. And it's not just about 'meetings'. Folks unfamiliar with the psychology involving projection, projection bias and displacement & would do well to research it. Of course, another area of research could include the practice of telegraphing a punch.
Oh my. Shall it be Psychology books at 20 paces? I still have at least 5 of mine. Your Masters degree was from where and when? ;D Shall we talk about Defensive Avoidance, Unconflicted Adherence, apperception, perhaps check out the Fodor and Smith Study, 1982.
You (plural) have mentioned several times that the EK/ EK LLC want power and control.That study would disagree based on who you think their leader is and the difference between how people who desire "high power" and control act as a group leader VS group leaders who do not need high power. It's old but interesting. See? I can throw BS too. ;D ;D ;D ;D Enjoy your day.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 12, 2011, 11:38:03 AM
Oh my. Shall it be Psychology books at 20 paces? I still have at least 5 of mine. Your Masters degree was from where and when? ;D Shall we talk about Defensive Avoidance, Unconflicted Adherence, apperception, perhaps check out the Fodor and Smith Study, 1982.
You (plural) have mentioned several times that the EK/ EK LLC want power and control.That study would disagree based on who you think their leader is and the difference between how people who desire "high power" and control act as a group leader VS group leaders who do not need high power. It's old but interesting. See? I can throw BS too. ;D ;D ;D ;D Enjoy your day.
Thanks for the input Diane that's real refreshing. You did understand the parallelism of the situation, great.
Tomorrow is one of the Monday's of the month that our County Commissioners meet at 1:00 p.m.
And it's open to the public won't you join me in supporying our County Commissioners by attending the meeting.
At the County Court House in Howard.
Watch our local government at work, it is quite interesting.
A person might learn something and you'll be shoing your elected officials you are interested citizens.
I hope to see you there.
I may not stay for the whole mmeting due a personal injury and trouble sitting for extended periods of time.
But, I hope to see some new faces in the crowd.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 12, 2011, 11:38:03 AM
I can throw BS too.
But then, we already knew that. Sheesh, it took you over two hours to put that post together. You're slipping.
Of course, Ross makes a good point. With your insight & vast background in psychology, political science, economics, group dynamics, sociology, cultural anthropology, education, oh... and volunteer firefighting, it's good to see that the comparisons presented weren't factually assailable. Thanks.
My apologies to local volunteer firefighters in advance. No offense was intended. If only our government leadership had your determination and skill!
Patriot, why do you think I can't defend my position? Tut, tut, ya just don't know what you are really missing. 8) Besides, you missed building construction, especially Charter Schools. Right now I'm doing a building for the Elsmere Shooting Range. I'm multi- talented and VERY humble too. :angel:
Ross, I'm sorry you injured yourself. I'd make a silly comment about your injuring your funny bone but I gather it's not in quite that place. Get better soon.
16 minutes, much better!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 12, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
Patriot, why do you think I can't defend my position?
Oh, I know you can defend it. The question is more one of relevance.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 12, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
Besides, you missed building construction, especially Charter Schools. Right now I'm doing a building for the Elsmere Shooting Range. I'm multi- talented...
Sorry to have missed those, mistress.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 12, 2011, 12:29:21 PM
and VERY humble too.
Let's avoid fantasy, shall we?
Thanks for sharing, but now, back to why EK LLC can't get its' own grants and must use county resources (county name, employee time, etc.) to do so and the myriad of other unanswered questions in that vein.
"It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept."
Diane..I really like your posts, however this is not about a Master's degree or a PhD. This is about Ross' trek as to Elk County and it's possible shenannigans, snake oil.
I am. in no way am affiliated with Ross or Patriot. I just happened to appreciate their questions of their own Commissioner's action and the (your) taxpayer dollars that may or may not be sent to an improper place. If not, then so be it. If so, then people really need to speak up and strip that reality.
(Please excuse the commas, I happen to be a comma Meister as I use them to take a breath. ;)
Now, now ,now Ross. Do you think they will tell you what they REALLY feel? ::)
Will you be asking questions as to the same here on this forum????
It's a shame I have to be a work, I would truly love to see you in action, and then report the truth.
(Devil's advocate, my questioneer! ;D)
Ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 12, 2011, 01:55:17 PM
"It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept."
Diane..I really like your posts, however this is not about a Master's degree or a PhD. This is about Ross' trek as to Elk County and it's possible shenannigans, snake oil.
I am. in no way am affiliated with Ross or Patriot. I just happened to appreciate their questions of their own Commissioner's action and the (your) taxpayer dollars that may or may not be sent to an improper place. If not, then so be it. If so, then people really need to speak up and strip that reality.
(Please excuse the commas, I happen to be a comma Meister as I use them to take a breath. ;)
All that dissing you have given me and now this! I am flabbergasted to say the least.
But I think you should know Diane lives in Delaware. Does that help?
I have to go for now. I am taking my son to baseball practice that is not Elk Konnected, connected.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
???????
QuoteI just happened to appreciate their questions of their own Commissioner's action and the (your) taxpayer dollars that may or may not be sent to an improper place. If not, then so be it. If so, then people really need to speak up and strip that reality.
and you call this dissing???
Congrats for you and your son. Wished you lived closer, I would hire him as a mower for me (I pay well for a job well done)
And yes, I am aware that Diane is not living here. And your point is????
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Nah, Miss Duck ( that's humor) my silly academic poking missed its mark, I guess. The use of high falutin academic vocabulary doesn't necessarily make a person right, was my point. I can throw it too. So what. ;D
I just don't agree that the Elk County folks are as easily led as a couple of them think. It's a bit of an insult. If they are going along with the flow, so to speak, that's their choice and doesn't need someone, with a degree or otherwise, to assume they wouldn't know manipulation if they saw it. I think all the questions were asked and answered several years ago and then the committees moved forward with their projects. I know the spark plug people, that do most of the work in any community, wanted more help. I read it and I heard it personally. I still wonder, as do a number of others, after all this time, why the questions now? There seem to be some questions that actually were answered quite long ago but apparently not in a form acceptable to a few, who, by the way showed no interest in any of this until Mr. Ross spoke up. Then they jumped in his canoe. I have no problem with asking questions but I have heard more than one explanation as to how and where those questions were asked and/or answered. Obviously I don't have an opinion since I wasn't at the meetings.
If there are problems, why aren't the other two commissioners speaking up? Aren't they all equally accountable? Only one seems to be getting the pointed end of the spear.
By the way, I understand about commas, I do it too! It's true I really don't have a dog in this fight, but I did see a lot of the beginning posts about E K since I've been on here for a few years. I'm sure they knew they couldn't please everyone but ya gotta try or nothing will ever happen.
QuoteIf there are problems, why aren't the other two commissioners speaking up?
Point in fact. Unfortutely most small town counties trust the people we elect...and I use the term 'trust' lightly.
Thank you for that honest post...or just what I wanted to hear.
Otherwise....this is what a forum is about...not to berate or judge, yet to just give the facts...and so far I have only seen Ross/Patriot's and others. The rest is about feelings.
Help to kill this thread with the truth....PLEASE :-*
ready...hope I didn't put any more condescing crap on here!
Quoteto assume they wouldn't know manipulation if they saw it. I think all the questions were asked and answered several years ago and then the committees moved
And I (personally) question the methods of which those answered questions were asked. Were the people snaked oiled into Grants to have the hardpaying people that pay them with the ackowlegemnet of Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Were you here for the Railroad being put in in 1871?
IMO only.
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sorry for the year posted. Need Wm Gray to verify that.
The orginal town was promised a railroad to take things back and forth. at that time was properous with 383 people.
Then the railroad changed their mind, and put it 3 miles south next to the river. (No funds) ? Our town moved to the Railroad.
What happened to the tax that people at that time paid to have the railroad come and ship their goods?
And, at that time, they were taxed on cattle, dogs, kids, and chickens.
And these were originally people from Howard, Severy and other States...You really can;t tell me that the Politicians today are cut of the same cloth?
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Did you really ask me if I was there when the railroad came in? ;D I'm no spring chicken, but I'm not quite THAT old. :P I think my great grandfather was there though.
QuoteDid you really ask me if I was there when the railroad came in?
LOL not personally, yet hypothetically. Our town was promised a Railroad, and they all started preparing for it.
Well, words in the dust...so to speak. They moved it where our town was not.
Almost a "Gibbs slap", only to the face of Fall River. And they made lots of money over it....What happened to the others that couldn't afford to follow the 'dream'?
Ergo...Elk County, Elk Konnected, Elk Konnected LLC.
ready.
Elk Konnected uses the same tactics that Arc fault complained the state was using. I think I pointed that out pretty durn well in my Reply #871 on page #88 of this thread.
That tactic being control, fear, the idea of promises.
Elk Konnected has and says: Steering Committee??? Dying County? Place of the future? Instructions? Exspell the negative? Cities will fade away? Don't point out problems??
And Arc indicated his displeasure with what the state did IMO. IMHO the control Elk Konnected places on citizens is far worse and more complicated. And you have to sit in their circle of chairs and you can't sit with those you know and love, or your friends.
Governor has and says: Talking about sheeple? Guiding the public? And a structured meeting? Grandstanding? Forget the negatives and accentuate the positive??? Promise better relationships?
Elk Konnected said don't point out problems. Now wouldn't it be rather difficult to find solutions if you don't know and point out the problems? That is just plain foolishness.
The main question's of this thread are; Who are the officially registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
I agree Catwoman
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
We are going for 90 more if necessary. But you aren't required to come here.
Do you happen to have any input worth reading?
I believe you have said something like, I think the US is waking up from the rhetoric-induced stupor that O put his followers into...At least, I am hoping so. Perhaps the same could apply to Elk County Citizens concerning Elk Konnected. What cha got?
I am sure I couldn't add anything to your 90 pages of understated, selfless, erudite eloquence...So I will bow to your undeniable prowess and leave quietly before I can do anything to encourage any further verbage... ;D...
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
I am sure I couldn't add anything to your 90 pages of understated, selfless, erudite eloquence...So I will bow to your undeniable prowess and leave quietly before I can do anything to encourage any further verbage... ;D...
Well thank you very much.
Have a great life.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Well, so much for not encouraging any further verbosity...<sigh>
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:31:32 PM
Well, so much for not encouraging any further verbosity...<sigh>
Well if you've got something to add.
I'm sure everyone on this thread would love to hear it.
Don't hold back now.
Tell us what you know about the registerd members of Elk Konnected, LLC. Who are they?
Why are they hiding?
Why do they call the so called volunteers, followers, when they think no one is listening.
I believe you said on another post, What a heaping load of horse manure...Not even well-aged/well-composted crap...,
and ii believe that is what you are heaping on us now.
Aren't you an teacher/educator?
Well educate us on who the Elk Konnected LLC Registered members are.
::) Yes, I am an educator...No, I'm not going to waste time and space by listing what you can easily find, here on the Forum, with a little research. As far as you thinking you know me from a few "sound bites"...LOL... ;D...If you know me that well, then you know about how much patience I have with worthless verbal exchanges that have no bearing on how things progress. My time is worth more than that...Hence, my absence from the Forum for the past 1-2 years. But, don't let my lack of enthusiasm/reticence to get embroiled in online rhetoric dissuade you...Have at it. ::)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
::) Yes, I am an educator...No, I'm not going to waste time and space by listing what you can easily find, here on the Forum, with a little research. As far as you thinking you know me from a few "sound bites"...LOL... ;D...If you know me that well, then you know about how much patience I have with worthless verbal exchanges that have no bearing on how things progress. My time is worth more than that...Hence, my absence from the Forum for the past 1-2 years. But, don't let my lack of enthusiasm/reticence to get embroiled in online rhetoric dissuade you...Have at it. ::)
Then why are you wasting our time with starting a worthless verbal exchange when you have nothing of value to add, and when you could simply say, "I don't know anything", instead of it is easily found here on the forum. You are more than welcome to move on.
I had noticed you had been in hibernation for a spell, so why come out to put people down? Is it to create a for Elk Connected?
No edumcation from this edumactor, huh?
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Wow...Scratch the surface and you come up with a schoolyard bully. Well, Don Quixote, you keep on tilting at your windmills and the admirable personnages who make up the entirety of EK will keep on with their efforts to better Elk County.
Hey, Cat, I've missed you! Welcome back!
Larryj (What am I doing in the Politics section when I said I wouldn't go there?) (Oh, just to say hi to Catwoman.)
Hello to you, too, dear friend!!! :D LOL...I've said I wouldn't go there, either...But I'll stick around long enough to say that I'm in the mood for another slice of wry, please? ;)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
Yep. Ain't it fascinating?
And just think... we haven't even begun to ask about the influence EK, LLC is trying to exert over our school system and the education of our children!
Ever since the Osage exited Elk County, the Republicans have pretty much had their way. Conservative? Not hardly.
Even the Democrats have became so liberal that both parties and their people are in a race for government money and programs.
Do Constitution principles matter anymore?
You're probably not going to see the EK or EKLLC, whichever or both, on this forum. It's too open for them. Besides they're into
implementing the Delphi Technique and they use a facilitor from out west to control the meeting discussion and results.
I don't see any reason to support any groups like EK that operate under the socialist banner.
Patriot and Ross are doing fine. If you're absolutely contrary to these boys, then what is it that you're supporting?
Hello Cat!!! Been wonderin what happened to you!
and before you even comment Ross.........free country....comment where I want....bite me.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 07:19:53 AM
Wow...Scratch the surface and you come up with a schoolyard bully. Well, Don Quixote, you keep on tilting at your windmills and the admirable personnages who make up the entirety of EK will keep on with their efforts to better Elk County.
That's the Elk Konnected way diss communities and citizens that don't buckle under to them. Call them names. Good job. But it doesn't work with me. I believe you are aiming your insult at the wrong person. Remember someone said, I was so polite it made them want to puke.
Elk Konnected has done nothing new except blow their own horn and I am not speaking of the followers/volunteers or the paid volunteers, I am speaking of the hidden registered members. Have you ever spoke to a registered member?
Just how is Elk Konnected with their efforts to going better Elk County. By dissing the commuities and citizens that don't buckle under to them --- I understand that. By using taxpayers money to do what --- hand out lollipops --- I understand that too.
Where did the money come from for the summer day camp. From Elk County not Elk Konnected. It's apparent that Ms. Brummell our County employee for Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development. It is aparent Ms. Brummell doing the job we pay her for. Applying for and getting the grant money for the summer day camp. Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development, not Elk Konnected gets the credit.
Really who are the registered members, does anyone know? Now that's a reasonable question. And apparently nobody knows the answer. What?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 13, 2011, 10:14:14 AM
Hello Cat!!! Been wonderin what happened to you!
and before you even comment Ross.........free country....comment where I want....bite me.
Knock yourself out, I don't own or try to regulate the forum or the link. I'm not like Elk Konnected telling people to shut up.
No I won't bite you. Have fun.
Who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?[/b]
Hello to you, too, Mrs. C... ;)...I kind of disappeared when it became obvious that rude is the new "normal" (and yes, it is absolutely possible to get your point across without having to resort to being socially unacceptable). I have noted that a lot of us, who are midline, not excessively right or left, have disappeared off of a number of the Forum sections. It's sad when a few can ruin it for the majority...But we, the majority, were raised to not say anything if you can't say something nice...So nothing it has been. I've missed reading you!!! :-)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Hello to you, too, Mrs. C... ;)...I kind of disappeared when it became obvious that rude is the new "normal" (and yes, it is absolutely possible to get your point across without having to resort to being socially unacceptable). I have noted that a lot of us, who are midline, not excessively right or left, have disappeared off of a number of the Forum sections. It's sad when a few can ruin it for the majority...But we, the majority, were raised to not say anything if you can't say something nice...So nothing it has been. I've missed reading you!!! :-)
Yeah that pretty much says it...I've been guilty of givin it right back to em though....never could just lay down and take it even though I have tried LOL....I've really missed reading you too!
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Hello to you, too, Mrs. C... ;)...I kind of disappeared when it became obvious that rude is the new "normal" (and yes, it is absolutely possible to get your point across without having to resort to being socially unacceptable). I have noted that a lot of us, who are midline, not excessively right or left, have disappeared off of a number of the Forum sections. It's sad when a few can ruin it for the majority...But we, the majority, were raised to not say anything if you can't say something nice...So nothing it has been. I've missed reading you!!! :-)
And I suppose your momma said it's polite to enter a thread the first time with comments like:
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
I am sure I couldn't add anything to your 90 pages of understated, selfless, erudite eloquence...So I will bow to your undeniable prowess and leave quietly before I can do anything to encourage any further verbage... ;D...
Now that if I understand an educator properly that is what is known as being polite. I don't think so.
I'm very happy that you are not teaching my child with that line of thought.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
Ah...You have children...Now, that's what I call job security for me...
As we shall discover below, that concept of turning a man's children over to you for education as a means to your job security might be poorly founded.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
And nowhere in either quote did you find anything rude...
Would your standards of etiquette be based upon Emily Post, Ann Landers, or The Marxist professor, Francis Fox-Pliven?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
Quite the contrary...I merely pointed out the excessive length devoted to asking the same pendantic question over and over and over and over again.
Dear Ms. Professional Educator,
I think the word you were grasping for was
pedantic. I don't think
pendantic is found in the English language.
Also, I don't think any of the questioners here are really pedants. Our goal of achieving accuracy is surely not undue given the circumstances.
Regardless of your clear ability to abuse the language, your point was heard. Unlike any clear, concise and factual answers to the questions you so shamelessly deride.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 11:19:54 AM
A vocabulary is a terrible thing to waste...
I opine that one can not waste what one obviously does not possess.
With that off track bit of mundane dog feces settled for all to see, why don't we go about addressing more global (and important) issues of conflict of interest among elected officials, the use of public funds by nondescript private companies, and the need for county officials to obtain private grant monies only to give them to the same private company for disbursement?
Wow, Patriot...
The post that I have removed was not directed at you and was frankly not your dog to shoot. However, I do agree that my irritation with Ross led to my having said things that I wouldn't normally otherwise say...Not that you'd understand anything about that...And I have removed it.
Diatribe such yours and Ross's would be why I have been absent for so long from this Forum...God forbid any other voice be heard...
By the way, Patriot...It's a damn good thing I haven't been grading YOUR work since you joined the Forum...If I had been exhibiting the same lack of generosity regarding spelling, you'd have been pulling down a low C- on a good bit of it...Physician, heal thyself...
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 03:50:43 PM
Wow, Patriot...Or Pep...Or whatever you're calling yourself these days...
No relation, thank God. PEP would now be known as 'Arc Fault'. 'Direct Short Circuit' for those of us who try to read his often incoherent jabber.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 03:50:43 PM
Diatribe such yours and Ross's would be why I have been absent for so long from this Forum...God forbid any other voice be heard...
Hey teach! Wouldn't the possessive form of the proper name Ross be Ross' and not Ross's? I know we're losing our borders, language and culture... but Teacher.... PLEASE!
Now, about those tax dollars being doled out in these tough economic times.........
I sort have sat back and listened for a bit, but I still have one question:
Are there any events up and coming that Elk Konnected is attaching their name to? Or do they do that AFTER the event is held?
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Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 04:03:51 PM
By the way, Patriot...It's a damn good thing I haven't been grading YOUR work since you joined the Forum...If I had been exhibiting the same lack of generosity regarding spelling, you'd have been pulling down a low C- on a good bit of it...Physician, heal thyself...
Maybe you had better recheck. If you find an average of more than one spelling error per 5000 words in the last 365 days, I'll send you a Braum's gift certificate good for at least a two scoop of tutti fruity. If you grade on a curve, I bet I get an A+.
Since we're chatting, are you one of the 74 early 'investors' in Ellk Konnected, LLC?
QuoteBut we, the majority, were raised to not say anything if you can't say something nice...
That I understand, however it is different than 'Not saying anything at all , keeping quiet while an LLC is taking credit for something the Elk County people have been doing, and quite well". As well as the possible concept of using hard earned tax payer's monies in a conflict of interest.
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Just what exactly has Elk Konnected taken credit for, readaimduck?
It was listed several posts back. I can try and find them, but I think the kid's camp comes to mind.
If anyone has that link, post or PM me....
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Why shouldn't they take credit for it, if they have set it up and made it available to the kids of Elk County? I grew up here, and there was never anything like to keep us busy during the summer.
QuoteWhy shouldn't they take credit for it, if they have set it up and made it available to the kids of Elk County? I grew up here, and there was never anything like to keep us busy during the summer
Yes, I agree. However isn't Ms. Brummel hired by the comissioners to oversee that very same thing?
Or did Ms. Brummel in turn hire Elk Konnected to advertise and help?
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I agree, Ready. If there's something going on, then it's better to know about it...But I sincerely doubt that any of those people would agree to do or be involved in anything illegal. And I agree with Gina...They should be able to take credit for their work.
Actually, Pat...Either way of using the apostraphe is correct, with the use of the apostraph minus the following "s" being the more common form followed, according to the University English instructor that I contacted. And, no...I am not numbered in the 74...But they have my respect and gratitude for being willing to step up and do the hard work of taking Elk County forward in spite of the idiocy they encounter.
As far as your slurring of PEP's good name...That man is not only well-bred and forward-thinking, he is also capable of coming up with possible solutions when he points out a problem. He, also, has my complete respect. He is a gentleman who speaks plainly, bluntly and succinctly...Your inability to comprehend what he has to say is understandable. ::)
Quoteinvolved in anything illegal
Personally, I do not feel there may be anything 'illegal' about it. Unethical, perhaps.
That is my worry.
I've seen too many companies come in and take all your monies, manipulate the local government, then die out without any regret.
Just cautious I suppose of 'windstorm' projects.
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I've never had a lick of trouble understanding what Patrick has been saying. Of course that might be because he and I spent parts of a couple of summers on the back of a hay truck together.
I have the absolute belief that there is nothing illegal going on with Elk Konnected. Ms. Brummel's involvement with Elk Konnected does not necessarily have anything to do with her job. Her job has to do with recreational activities for the youth of the county, wouldn't it just make sense for her to also be involved in any other youth related activities such as coaching and camps? Similar to that of a teacher who also spends time helping out with youth related activities. Plus if you are also a parent, you are going to be involved in helping out with activities.
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this might help....
Quote from: Patriot on June 10, 2011, 05:24:34 PM
Title of the 2011 grant: "Elk Konnected Day Camp"
Approved purpose of the grant: "A Summer day camp for grade school kids living in Elk & Greenwood Counties"
Grantee (applicant & recipient of the grant): "Elk County"
Is EK, LLC not responsible for coordinating and putting on the camp? Elk Konnected is taking credit for it, no?
Also see more details about this grant on page 87, I believe.
QuoteOf course that might be because he and I spent parts of a couple of summers on the back of a hay truck together.
not EVEN going there! ;D
;D ;D ;D lol
QuoteHer job has to do with recreational activities for the youth of the county, wouldn't it just make sense for her to also be involved in any other youth related activities such as coaching and camps?
Ok, noow I am really confused. ??? If her job has to do with recreational activities for the youth of the county, then why the redundant 'other youth related activities'? Is that not all recreational which would fall under her job duties?
ready...thank you Gina for some clarification....I appreciate your honest posts.
The county is not involved in directing all recreational activities. Those that they are involved with, Ms. Brummel is the director. But she is also involved with activities that are not county run, for example the baseball club for Howard. She has helped with that, along with her fiance' for the past two years. Her involvement has nothing to do with her job, but it would only make sense that she is involved with the baseball club because of her connection with the youth of the area, plus her stepchildren being involved.
That helped, Gina! Thank you!
Maybe I could have structured that sentence better, but you know exactly what I meant.
I have employed people with the name Perkins.
I have had people named Perkins as direct supervisors.
I attended thirteen years of school, and four years of college with people with the name Perkins.
There is not anything evil about any of the Perkins families. They are all hard-working, forward-thinking people who have suddenly been singled out as a target by a small number of regressive, anti-anything naysayers who are bent on saving Elk County from the evils of progress.
A false hood.
Elk Konnected to host Day Camps
http://www.taylornews.org/pst/?s=Elk+Konnected+day+camp
It should have read Elk County Hosts Day Camps.
Not Elk Konnected.
That's a fact.
QuoteThere is not anything evil about any of the Perkins families
wow, didn't mean to step on your toes! I didn't know who you were talking about but it just struck me as a comic relief as to this heated thread. Didn't think you would take it so seriously.
I am Sorry Flint.
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Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 05:13:43 PM
There is not anything evil about any of the Perkins families. They are all hard-working, forward-thinking people who have suddenly been singled out as a target by a small number of regressive, anti-anything naysayers who are bent on saving Elk County from the evils of progress.
You really do hold the misguided belief this is all about the Perkins family, don't you? Sorry you feel that way. If it were only that simple. Sad. Really sad.
What's sad and misguided is this coordinated and malicious affront to all of the good, decent, hard working people of Elk County and the bordering areas, that have taken it upon themselves to try and change things.
From your anonymous position here on the Forum you have attacked and maligned Elk Konnected and any and all who ascribe to the fact that what they are doing, and the manner in which they are doing it, is good and proper. And quite frankly it has gone on for far too long. You are not going to get the answers you want by continuing this witch-hunt. If you want answers at all.
I personally think it is about Perkins on your side Patriot...at least partially.....I believe it's all about gettin shut down when he went in loaded for bear on the side of Ross....that "person from out west" didnt let him have his little hissy fit and it hurt his feelings.
You jumped on his bandwagon to egg him on and have your little digs and innuendos and fun deriding anybody who had or has the cajones to speak out to either one of you.
You actually think you have "superior" intellect than most of us and a freer thinkin mind than the people who DARE to disagree with your tin hat scenario of "evil" intention and mind-washing lollipop hand-outs (force-feedings).
I've been reading this because I was wondering how long your little dog and pony bully show would get by until people started standing up to it. Guess I have MY answer :)
Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 05:00:23 PM
I've never had a lick of trouble understanding what Patrick has been saying. Of course that might be because he and I spent parts of a couple of summers on the back of a hay truck together.
I personally spent my summmers rolling in the hay with purty girls.
I don't believe either flint or mrsC ive or vote in Elk County. Would that preclude either from being 'true' Elk Countians? Probably not as that status seems to include the variable qualification of keeping the status quo, no matter what. Oh well.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 13, 2011, 05:47:10 PM
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
See, somebody else gets it. Not really difficult if you stay in the world of fact and out of your emotions.
::) LOL ::)
From what I have read:
A. "I think this, here is the link"
B. "You have no right to speak to us in that manner!"
C. "What b said"
A. I think this, here is another link:
D. You pompous ass!
E. "Perhaps there is something we are missing, let's talk about it"
F. "Go to the Proper authorites or get a PI"
A. "I still wonder and feel this way"
B. "Well, now there was a feller....."
Discussion? With adults?
I am just not seeing it. And the answer is:
"BECAUSE WE (ELK CONNECTED MEMBERS) DO NOT FEEL THERE IS ANYTHING TO DISCUSS."
<<SIGHS>>>>
READY
Quote from: srkruzich on June 13, 2011, 05:43:02 PM
I personally spent my summmers rolling in the hay with purty girls.
Good for you Steve!
The parts of my summers that I wasn't operating a tractor I spent earning money hauling square bales alongside people named Perkins, Wilson, Helms, Clubine, McCollim, Fish, Ames, Sweet, Patteson, . . .
And Patriot, the point to this is
I have known many of the people associated with Elk Konnected for nearly 40 years, or from the time they moved to Elk County!!!! How long have you known them? Do you know them? Do you think you know them? I know them, and they are all good people!
Called the "window of the soul" for a reason, the eyes don't reveal everything but they are very expressive!
The way a person looks at someone reveals a lot and the intensity and direction of their stare can reflect a person's thoughts.
Rolling the eyes upwards
–> disagreement (or exasperation if very obvious).
"Just as war is freedom's cost, disagreement is freedom's privilege."--Bill Clinton
Quote from: Patriot on June 13, 2011, 05:46:14 PM
I don't believe either flint or mrsC ive or vote in Elk County. Would that preclude either from being 'true' Elk Countians? Probably not as that status seems to include the variable qualification of keeping the status quo, no matter what. Oh well.
No I dont......LOTS of relatives DO. I respond to you on this because I despise big-feelin condescending PEOPLE who talk down to other people wherever they are from and since I AM an American and I AM free AND 21+ I will whenever I feel the urge DO so again.
I got no qualms about being rude to a**holes wherever I find em....... I'm an equal opportunity person that way.... I got no qualms about speakin out to MEN either.....my Daddy and Grandad raised me NOT to have.
Looks to me like a few people have got off track.
This is not about any individual but an organization that thinks they are the one and only.
The savior of Elk County. The organization that pats it self on the back and disses anyone that does not bow down to them.
The organization that takes credit for what others do.
Who are the Elk Konnected official/ registered members?
What has Elk Konnected done besides start a business in Howard to make money and ask for tax payers money at the Elk County Commissioners meetings?
What has their Community Conversations accomplished?
None of you know thee answer to
Who are the Elk Konnected official/registered members?If you do, who are they?
Show the county all those people that donated money to Elk Konnected to support them. They don't esist do they?
Go ahead slap me I can take it.
And have a good evening, I'm busy this evening and won't be available to read it.
Who are the Elk Konnected official/registered members?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 05:56:36 PM
And Patriot, the point to this is I have known many of the people associated with Elk Konnected for nearly 40 years, or from the time they moved to Elk County!!!! How long have you known them? Do you know them? Do you think you know them? I know them, and they are all good people!
Um, hence the questions...
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 05:20:31 PM
A false hood.
Elk Konnected to host Day Camps
http://www.taylornews.org/pst/?s=Elk+Konnected+day+camp
It should have read Elk County Hosts Day Camps.
Not Elk Konnected.
That's a fact.
A fact exposed at the Elk County Commissioners meeting today. Too bad you weren't there.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 13, 2011, 05:59:13 PM
No I dont......LOTS of relatives DO. I respond to you on this because I despise big-feelin condescending PEOPLE who talk down to other people wherever they are from and since I AM an American and I AM free AND 21+ I will whenever I feel the urge DO so again.
I got no qualms about being rude to a**holes wherever I find em....... I'm an equal opportunity person that way.... I got no qualms about speakin out to MEN either.....my Daddy and Grandad raised me NOT to have.
My parents are long past gone but back in the day they brought me up to respect
MY elders and as a child if I would've backtalked any adult or been a condescending little ass, I would've found myself at the end of a thick leather belt wore around my dads' waist. As I am long past being a kid, I still hold those beliefs and my own kids do not backtalk me, my wife or their elders. I guess I'm just an
a**hole that way. So what you're saying is, you were just raised to be a bitch? Huh!---MR. KSH
Ouch! So talking back to a man makes you the b-word! Wow!
No, her saying she's got no qualms about being rude to a**holes wherever she finds them makes her one. Just because she disagrees with Ross and Patriot and could choose not to read this thread (as many have suggested be done on this thread) doesn't mean she has the right to call them names. But I guess if it's good for her to call them names, then I can call the kettle black as well. But I expected to be called out for speaking MY mind, which is exactly what PAM did!---MR KSH
Quote from: gina on June 13, 2011, 06:15:09 PM
Ouch! So talking back to a man makes you the b-word! Wow!
Well, there were those unprovoked as*hole references to several men made by the same women in previous posts here and elsewhere. Yet still we don't know who owns Elk Konnected, LLC.
By all means Patriot, what does it take to be a "true Elk Countian"? Just curious about your opinion on that one.
Quote from: Patriot on June 13, 2011, 06:19:45 PM
Yet still we don't know who owns Elk Konnected, LLC.
Depends on who constitutes "we". Just because you and Ross and your handful of witch-hunters don't know who is associated with Elk Konnected and in what capacity, doesn't mean that they are unknown to everyone following this thread.
So true, Charlie!
AMEN
Then, if you all are so enlightened with the answers that Patriot and Ross seek, it is also your fault that this thread keeps going. You want to "punish" them for asking questions and NOT give them the answers. You want this thread to go away and you know the answers but you will not tell them! If this is a witch hunt, then where are the "EK secret meetings" held? Are they held by the light of the moon and sacrificing goats (sorry Steve) or are they just hanging out in a bar, dulling their senses? Oh and the bar part is NOT a joke!
Well of course talkin back to SOME men makes you a bitch....so BE it..but thats MRS. BITCH to YOU MR Hillbilly. I will talk back to ANY condescending a**hole I please. My Daddy may have strapped me but he would've said I was RIGHT for standin UP. I take my licks standin up. I respect my elders when they ACT like elders and I'm pretty sure Patriot probably isnt my elder for one thing and he sure as hell aint my BETTER.
I have NO PROBLEM being an a**hole TO a**holes MR. Hillbilly.
I have things to go do now but I will be more than happy to answer any derogatory remarks or condescending answers in the morning. I'll make coffee and enjoy myself :)
Out of here...not because I am not amused, cat fights are fun to watch, but not in a Politcal Forum . However I won't condescend anymore like I was told I do. (When I did, and was called on it.) :-X
When you all get back to some real answers....like who are the members and what does it take to be a member, and do you have to live in the County (Elk or Greenwood, or specifically Elk or the town of Severy, (quite haven't figured out the separation of inclusiviness....other than the school, or in my book: predjudice) please let me know in the most appropriate way....I know of 5 that will.
ready not.
Here is the only answer you will get from me about who is Elk Konnected. They are the people you have seen and will see at nearly every Elk County event, whether it be Longton, Moline, Grenola, or Howard. They are the people cheering in the stands at the local sporting events of all Elk County schools. They are the parents you see sending their children off to our wonderful county schools. They are the people that shop and do business at our Elk County businesses. They are sitting in the pews at all of the glorious houses of worship that this beautiful county possess! Watch out, they are everywhere!!!! ;D
Sorry, I couldn't resist! :P
Pam, I was just calling it as I see it. I do speak my mind and I like to tell the truth. I am so sorry that maybe Patriot and Ross may be attacking one of your beloved friends that I'm sure you hang out with, go shopping with, spend your Christmas with, have coffee in the morning with, converse on a regular basis with, etc. I do live here in Elk County and I am employed by Elk County. I was born and raised in Sedan, 18 miles south of Longton. Came to Longton many times as a child. You being a true Elk Countian, who chooses no longer to live here and knowing your history, being of your superior intellectual years, that Chautauqua and Elk County were once ONE county named Howard County and Longton was once called Elk Rapids. What I'm trying to say is that when I left Sedan and moved to Longton, 10 years ago, I might as well have been just moving across the street NOT out of state and NOT out of country. I have friends, I have relatives, that live in this county and surrounding counties, that I do converse with on a weekly basis. I will help them within my means and I would like to think that they would help me too. I do NOT stick up for anyone I don't know or is not a close personal friend. And a lot of my friends, I would know in pitch dark with nothing more than a handshake. Can you say the same?---MR KSH
Ready---I want to know why only Severy is included, even though they are out of county. I know it's because of the school district boundaries but part of Montgomery and Chautauqua counties are included in our school district at Longton!
Quote from: gina on June 13, 2011, 06:23:20 PM
By all means Patriot, what does it take to be a "true Elk Countian"? Just curious about your opinion on that one.
Heck if I know. It was Wilma who coined the term.... ask her. Others did, and just as with the serious questions here, no answers were forthcoming.
If good is being done, who the hell cares who gets the credit. Members are Joe Blows and every Tom, Dick, and Harry. No wait, maybe that was Bill, Jack, Homer, John, Susie, Jane, Sam, Karen, Jill, and Olpe. There you go, you have names now. Hope you sleep better! ::)
'Night John Boy! ;D
Good finale...loved a good conversing
Ready....and out.
Here's an answer, if you'll accept it...
A "true Elk Countian" is a person who either does reside or has resided in Elk County and continues to do their best to help the children...And adults...Of Elk County in whatever way possible to continue positive progress into the future.
Just because some of us have moved away, that doesn't mean that Elk County isn't still in our thoughts and prayers.
Cat.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 13, 2011, 06:50:54 PM
Pam, I was just calling it as I see it. I do speak my mind and I like to tell the truth. I am so sorry that maybe Patriot and Ross may be attacking one of your beloved friends that I'm sure you hang out with, go shopping with, spend your Christmas with, have coffee in the morning with, converse on a regular basis with, etc. I do live here in Elk County and I am employed by Elk County. I was born and raised in Sedan, 18 miles south of Longton. Came to Longton many times as a child. You being a true Elk Countian, who chooses no longer to live here and knowing your history, being of your superior intellectual years, that Chautauqua and Elk County were once ONE county named Howard County and Longton was once called Elk Rapids. What I'm trying to say is that when I left Sedan and moved to Longton, 10 years ago, I might as well have been just moving across the street NOT out of state and NOT out of country. I have friends, I have relatives, that live in this county and surrounding counties, that I do converse with on a weekly basis. I will help them within my means and I would like to think that they would help me too. I do NOT stick up for anyone I don't know or is not a close personal friend. And a lot of my friends, I would know in pitch dark with nothing more than a handshake. Can you say the same?---MR KSH
Speak your mind all you want dude.....means little to me......I DONT know YOU ;D
Was born in Cowley county cause thats where my Mom went to the hospital....raised in Severy....graduated from West Elk.....2 sons graduated from West Elk.....lived in Severy for most of 35 years give or take one or two....lived in Moline for little over one...went back to Severy......I probly know a hell of a lot more of these people personally than you THINK I do.....WE...meaning my husband my children and me moved to Missouri 11 years ago for very good reasons which include more chance of making a decent living without driving 100 miles a day and others which are none of your business. I have friends and relatives which I visit with on a regular basis...I was just there two weeks ago....sorry I didnt stop by Longton and let you know my travel agenda and who I would be seeing and speaking to. Went through a COUPLE times....I'll wave next time....might even use ALL my fingers ;D
I HAVE moved out of state several times :) Arkansas, Missouri, Idaho.......broadened my horizons a bit :)
I'm a GREENWOOD countian :) born and bred
A great definition Catwoman. Thank you.
It is my opinion Elk Konnected is a fraud because.
They fraudently abused our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebos aunt called them on it.
They fraudently abused the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised.
They fraudulely claimed to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
When asked of the county commissioners why Elk Konnected is claiming credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp, County Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make who gets credit?" That question only required an answer of DUH. But I was polite. It was stated by me, that I am proud of this county and the work our employee had done in setting this thing up. Odds are you won't read any of it in the minutes of the meeting because two board members are admitted supporters of Elk Konnected. I believe they have misguided loyalties, that's my opinion and I stand by it.
If you wish to continue to support people that diss our communities and take credit for what others do and abuse our government resources that is totally your option and no on is telling you other wise.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected
Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 06:24:04 PM
Depends on who constitutes "we". Just because you and Ross and your handful of witch-hunters don't know who is associated with Elk Konnected and in what capacity, doesn't mean that they are unknown to everyone following this thread.
'Owns' vs 'associated with'? Big difference in regards to a privately controlled limited liability company.
'Witch-hunters' would be a pejorative term liberals use to demean, isolate and suppress opposing views, right? Sad, really sad.
Quote from: Patriot on June 13, 2011, 08:40:34 PM
'Owns' vs 'associated with'? Big difference in regards to a privately controlled limited liability company.
My post stated "is associated with Elk Konnected
and in what capacity " Ownership would be one capacity, as would director, officer, contributor, supporter, etc..
Nice try at deflecting by using selective interpretation and context.
LOLOLOLOLOL OMG...You don't know Flint, do you? LOLOLOLOLOL...Before you start assigning terms to people, it would be wonderful if you actually knew the individuals in question...
Flint not only encourages opposing views, I've known him to take the opposing view in an argument, whether or not he agreed with the supposed view he was espousing, just in order to promote a discussion. Flint is a highly intelligent, engaged individual who doesn't meet a stranger and most certainly never demeans, isolates or suppresses the rights or views of those around him. Elk County lost a jewel when he moved away with his pretty wife. We are lucky he still keeps track of Elk County online. His family still resides in Elk County, a member of which passed on not too long ago (and is sorely missed).
I can understand your wanting to know the information you are pursuing...I can't understand your penchant for personal attacks. I responded in an unkind manner earlier this evening when goaded beyond my normal limits...And I hereby apologize for lowering myself to that level...Now, I am requesting that the personal attacks cease. The information you are seeking can be found on the Coffee Shop board, on the Elk Konnected threads (there are two of them). Read everything there...And some of your questions should be answered.
Stop with the personal attacks.
Cat.
You know what. I don't really care who lives here an doesn't who doesn't. That doesn't answer the question.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? And all the ugliness and bad mouthing proves nothing except the inability to communicate decently. All that is a control factor of a group hiding something and attmpting to disrupt the actual conversation. What a pathetic waste of time on their part because it is not working.
Let's play nice.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 08:52:34 PM
My post stated "is associated with Elk Konnected and in what capacity " Ownership would be one capacity, as would director, officer, contributor, supporter, etc..
You are quite correct.
Now, can you provide any authoritative input regarding ownership (i.e. admitted membership)? Or you just filibustering again?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL OMG...You don't know Flint, do you? LOLOLOLOLOL...Before you start assigning terms to people, it would be wonderful if you actually knew the individuals in question...
Flint not only encourages opposing views, I've known him to take the opposing view in an argument, whether or not he agreed with the supposed view he was espousing, just in order to promote a discussion. Flint is a highly intelligent, engaged individual who doesn't meet a stranger and most certainly never demeans, isolates or suppresses the rights or views of those around him. Elk County lost a jewel when he moved away with his pretty wife. We are lucky he still keeps track of Elk County online. His family still resides in Elk County, a member of which passed on not too long ago (and is sorely missed).
I can understand your wanting to know the information you are pursuing...I can't understand your penchant for personal attacks. I responded in an unkind manner earlier this evening when goaded beyond my normal limits...And I hereby apologize for lowering myself to that level...Now, I am requesting that the personal attacks cease. The information you are seeking can be found on the Coffee Shop board, on the Elk Konnected threads (there are two of them). Read everything there...And some of your questions should be answered.
Stop with the personal attacks.
Cat.
i'm sorry who are you. You come on here on your first post to this thread with a smart alec remark. And then you say, " I responded in an unkind manner earlier this evening when goaded beyond my normal limits." Dear you asked to be goaded. You came here of your own choice and you can leave of your own choice any time you want no one can or will stop you. Your backhanded apology is worthless. And your suggestion to read what you suggest is worthless as well.
And then you have the audacity to order, "Stop with the personal attacks."
We have been told to, Shut the hell up. A remark was made that Ross is so polite, he makes me want to puke. That's coming from the I assume Elk Konnected followers.
I believe the only persons that have the only right to give orders on this forum are the owners. And they have full right to do so. But not you.
I will try to explain once again we are not interested in who the followers are, we would like to know who the registered members are.
So if you would like to add some great input into this thread please answer the question.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
And I hereby apologize for lowering myself to that level...
Likewise, Cat, I'm sorry.
(But the spelling challenge stands. LOL)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
The information you are seeking can be found on the Coffee Shop board, on the Elk Konnected threads (there are two of them). Read everything there...And some of your questions should be answered.
I'm afraid that much of the specific information sought is
not in those threads. And, yes, I've read them carefully.
Quote from: Patriot on June 13, 2011, 09:12:57 PM
Or you just filibustering again?
And it will take a 60/40 vote to shut me up this time! LOL
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 09:18:22 PM
i'm sorry who are you.
You know, there was a time when this Forum was a place for people interested in Elk County to come share information, debate issues, and generally joke and kibitz with each other, but in a manner devoid of hatred or even minor antipathy against a person for their views.
Something happened along the way. People who were open to debating opposing viewpoints, many being members of the Forum since it's first year of existence, left or just stopped posting as a handful of extremist zealots joined and began to dominate the Forum.
At least that's the way I see it!
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 09:18:22 PM
i'm sorry who are you.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 13, 2011, 09:32:23 PM
You know, there was a time when this Forum was a place for people interested in Elk County to come share information, debate issues, and generally joke and kibitz with each other, but in a manner devoid of hatred or even minor antipathy against a person for their views.
Something happened along the way. People who were open to debating opposing viewpoints, many being members of the Forum since it's first year of existence, left or just stopped posting as a handful of extremist zealots joined and began to dominate the Forum.
At least that's the way I see it!
Let's have it all, okay. Look what happened.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
Quote from: frawin on June 12, 2011, 06:57:49 PM
I agree Catwoman
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 07:20:09 PM
We are going for 90 more if necessary. But you aren't required to come here.
Do you happen to have any input worth reading?
I believe you have said something like, I think the US is waking up from the rhetoric-induced stupor that O put his followers into...At least, I am hoping so. Perhaps the same could apply to Elk County Citizens concerning Elk Konnected. What cha got?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
I am sure I couldn't add anything to your 90 pages of understated, selfless, erudite eloquence...So I will bow to your undeniable prowess and leave quietly before I can do anything to encourage any further verbage... ;D...
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Well thank you very much.
Have a great life.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:31:32 PM
Well, so much for not encouraging any further verbosity...<sigh>
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 08:40:50 PM
Well if you've got something to add.
I'm sure everyone on this thread would love to hear it.
Don't hold back now.
Tell us what you know about the registerd members of Elk Konnected, LLC. Who are they?
Why are they hiding?
Why do they call the so called volunteers, followers, when they think no one is listening.
I believe you said on another post, What a heaping load of horse manure...Not even well-aged/well-composted crap...,
and ii believe that is what you are heaping on us now.
Aren't you an teacher/educator?
Well educate us on who the Elk Konnected LLC Registered members are.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
::) Yes, I am an educator...No, I'm not going to waste time and space by listing what you can easily find, here on the Forum, with a little research. As far as you thinking you know me from a few "sound bites"...LOL... ;D...If you know me that well, then you know about how much patience I have with worthless verbal exchanges that have no bearing on how things progress. My time is worth more than that...Hence, my absence from the Forum for the past 1-2 years. But, don't let my lack of enthusiasm/reticence to get embroiled in online rhetoric dissuade you...Have at it. ::)
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 05:50:41 AM
Then why are you wasting our time with starting a worthless verbal exchange when you have nothing of value to add, and when you could simply say, "I don't know anything", instead of it is easily found here on the forum. You are more than welcome to move on.
I had noticed you had been in hibernation for a spell, so why come out to put people down? Is it to create a for Elk Connected?
No edumcation from this edumactor, huh?
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 07:19:53 AM
Wow...Scratch the surface and you come up with a schoolyard bully. Well, Don Quixote, you keep on tilting at your windmills and the admirable personnages who make up the entirety of EK will keep on with their efforts to better Elk County.
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 10:34:37 AM
That's the Elk Konnected way diss communities and citizens that don't buckle under to them. Call them names. Good job. But it doesn't work with me. I believe you are aiming your insult at the wrong person. Remember someone said, I was so polite it made them want to puke.
Elk Konnected has done nothing new except blow their own horn and I am not speaking of the followers/volunteers or the paid volunteers, I am speaking of the hidden registered members. Have you ever spoke to a registered member?
Just how is Elk Konnected with their efforts to going better Elk County. By dissing the commuities and citizens that don't buckle under to them --- I understand that. By using taxpayers money to do what --- hand out lollipops --- I understand that too.
Where did the money come from for the summer day camp. From Elk County not Elk Konnected. It's apparent that Ms. Brummell our County employee for Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development. It is aparent Ms. Brummell doing the job we pay her for. Applying for and getting the grant money for the summer day camp. Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development, not Elk Konnected gets the credit.
Really who are the registered members, does anyone know? Now that's a reasonable question. And apparently nobody knows the answer. What?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
Hello to you, too, Mrs. C... ;)...I kind of disappeared when it became obvious that rude is the new "normal" (and yes, it is absolutely possible to get your point across without having to resort to being socially unacceptable). I have noted that a lot of us, who are midline, not excessively right or left, have disappeared off of a number of the Forum sections. It's sad when a few can ruin it for the majority...But we, the majority, were raised to not say anything if you can't say something nice...So nothing it has been. I've missed reading you!!! :-)
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 11:02:17 AM
And I suppose your momma said it's polite to enter a thread the first time with comments like:
Now that if I understand an educator properly that is what is known as being polite. I don't think so.
I'm very happy that you are not teaching my child with that line of thought.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 04:03:51 PM
By the way, Patriot...It's a damn good thing I haven't been grading YOUR work since you joined the Forum...If I had been exhibiting the same lack of generosity regarding spelling, you'd have been pulling down a low C- on a good bit of it...Physician, heal thyself...
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 09:00:34 PM
LOLOLOLOLOL OMG...You don't know Flint, do you? LOLOLOLOLOL...Before you start assigning terms to people, it would be wonderful if you actually knew the individuals in question...
Flint not only encourages opposing views, I've known him to take the opposing view in an argument, whether or not he agreed with the supposed view he was espousing, just in order to promote a discussion. Flint is a highly intelligent, engaged individual who doesn't meet a stranger and most certainly never demeans, isolates or suppresses the rights or views of those around him. Elk County lost a jewel when he moved away with his pretty wife. We are lucky he still keeps track of Elk County online. His family still resides in Elk County, a member of which passed on not too long ago (and is sorely missed).
I can understand your wanting to know the information you are pursuing...I can't understand your penchant for personal attacks. I responded in an unkind manner earlier this evening when goaded beyond my normal limits...And I hereby apologize for lowering myself to that level...Now, I am requesting that the personal attacks cease. The information you are seeking can be found on the Coffee Shop board, on the Elk Konnected threads (there are two of them). Read everything there...And some of your questions should be answered.
Stop with the personal attacks.
Cat.
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 09:01:07 PM
You know what. I don't really care who lives here an doesn't who doesn't. That doesn't answer the question.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? And all the ugliness and bad mouthing proves nothing except the inability to communicate decently. All that is a control factor of a group hiding something and attmpting to disrupt the actual conversation. What a pathetic waste of time on their part because it is not working.
Let's play nice.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Ross on June 13, 2011, 09:18:22 PM
i'm sorry who are you. You come on here on your first post to this thread with a smart alec remark. And then you say, " I responded in an unkind manner earlier this evening when goaded beyond my normal limits." Dear you asked to be goaded. You came here of your own choice and you can leave of your own choice any time you want no one can or will stop you. Your backhanded apology is worthless. And your suggestion to read what you suggest is worthless as well.
And then you have the audacity to order, "Stop with the personal attacks."
We have been told to, Shut the hell up. A remark was made that Ross is so polite, he makes me want to puke. That's coming from the I assume Elk Konnected followers.
I believe the only persons that have the only right to give orders on this forum are the owners. And they have full right to do so. But not you.
I will try to explain once again we are not interested in who the followers are, we would like to know who the registered members are.
So if you would like to add some great input into this thread please answer the question. Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
It is my opinion Elk Konnected is a fraud because.
They fraudently abused our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebos aunt called them on it.
They fraudently abused the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised.
They fraudulely claimed to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
When asked of the county commissioners why Elk Konnected is claiming credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp, County Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make who gets credit?" That question only required an answer of DUH. But I was polite. It was stated by me, that I am proud of this county and the work our employee had done in setting this thing up. Odds are you won't read any of it in the minutes of the meeting because two board members are admitted supporters of Elk Konnected. I believe they have misguided loyalties, that's my opinion and I stand by it.
If you wish to continue to support people that diss our communities and take credit for what others do and abuse our government resources that is totally your option and no on is telling you other wise.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected that you followers follow?
If you were reading this thread, you saw my apology...And it even extends to you...As a Christian, I can do no less. My initial statement came after wading my way through 90 solid pages of the same question being asked over and over again...And I lost patience at that point. Again, my apologies. I lowered myself to a level that I don't normally reach when I allowed myself to engage in senseless, demeaning exchanges with you...And it won't be allowed to occur again.
Wow! Some 500 views & 85 posts yesterday alone. Many from folks who have not had much to say up to now, and some from folks who swore off this thread some time ago. Lots of backbiting. Some conjecture. Plenty of distraction. Even some open name calling... Yet not one solid answer.
Did something happen out there in the real world to strike a tender spot and cause the uproar? Perhaps time will tell.
In the mean time, are there any facts (as opposed to blind defensiveness, expressions of feelings and unclear generalities) out there to be provided? How about factual, verifiable information about who owns (and therefore has personal liability protection within) Elk Konnected, LLC?
Are county checks made payable to Elk Konnected endorsed for deposit into a private bank account by anyone who is also on the county payroll? If so, by whom?
Are those monies deposited in a business account located at a local bank? If so, which bank?
Who's authorized to disburse those monies once in the possession of Elk Konnected?
I realize those questions are probably wasted keyboard ink, because Elk Konnected, LLC is a privately owned company that is not subject to citizen scrutiny under the Kansas Open Records Act. But what the heck, while we're asking tough questions...
Goodness! The longer it takes to get really good answers to the easy questions, the more new & challenging questions arise.
I forgot to mention. At the meeting yesterday when I asked the County Commissioners (and I did not single out any one of them) why Elk Konnected was taking credit for what the County is doing, Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make?" I wanted to say DUH! That would have been in order, but that would have been rude so there was only dead air.
Now, I ask where are the ethics and morals of Elk Konnected?
Oh yea, Commissioner Hendricks, Asked me why I could not ask her before the meeting, why can't you talk to me in private, why do you always have to have a public forum? Well folks I didn't answer that question either. I felt that she should be able to figure out the answer to the particular situation. First, I did not start the conversation, whoa an actual conversation not controlled by a facilitator hired by Elk Konnected. Very embarrassing for Elk Konnected. Second, doesn't Elk Konnected always want an Audience. Third, I would not trust being in private with her, so that would never happen. Fourth, I nor the lady that started the conversation were addressing Elk Konnected but the County Commissioners. County Commissioner Hendricks can not seem to distinguish the difference.
Isn't it time that Elk Konnected yield and let Elk County keep doing it's job? Or perhaps they might consider changing their name to Elk Diss-Konnected. Because they really are disconnected and because they diss the communities and people that don't agree with them. Aren't you tired of Elk Konnected using children and our County government resources as a tools to accomplish whatever personal goals they may have?
These are my personal opinions and I am just sharing them with you. However, I would never suggest that you have to accept them or follow them. You are entitled to your own opinion. Thank You for reading.
I don't believe I'll be attending Elk Konnected Community Conversations any time soon, because I have become familiar with the Delphi Technique methods. But I reserve my priviledge to change my mind. It all depends on circumstances.
Now lets get the slap in the face from the elk Konnected followers. I am ready---I think LOL
Who are these people, who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
The Delphi Technique - Not for use by the government any more
Developed by the Rand Corporation for the US Department of Defense on the 1050's for use as a psychological warfare technique for manipulating groups of people to pre-determined outcomes at facilitated meetings....
The technique is amazingly effective and most attendees don't realize they've been manipulated. Now being used across America to 'organize' communities & school districts. Those who organize and facilitate the agendas by using Delphi can not withstand open public debate, and they only seek private 1-1 discussion or facilitated meetings.
Can't happen here or to you? Think again. Community conversations - do they look like this? Read on, and you decide...
Your local newspaper publishes a notice that a meeting will be held one night next week to solicit input from the community regarding a proposed plan for community development. Being a civic minded individual, believing that community involvement is very important to the health of the community, you mark the date on your calendar and make a mental note to hold that night free of other commitments that you might attend this meeting to give your input...
...As you enter the room, you are further amazed by the setup. There are no tables and chairs for the panel at the front of the room, there is but one microphone positioned beside a podium at the front of the room, lecture style. Further, the room is filled with tables — round tables, with six to eight chairs around each table. For an open public forum meeting, you find this rather odd and ask the greeter if this is really where you are supposed to be. Yes, you are assured, this is where the meeting is being held. Somewhat confused, you take a chair. Others file in, some you know, some you don't. You note that others, like you, find this new layout for a public forum meeting "different". Soon a speaker calls the meeting to order.
After a short introductory speech the presenter asks for your cooperation in utilizing a new concept in decision making. Following a presentation regarding the new purposed plan, each table will participate in a discussion with the help of a facilitator. Each table will put on paper their thoughts and feelings about this new community plan — their likes and dislikes. A roundhouse discussion will ensue at each table from which will emerge a consensus of the group — a narrowing of the listed likes and dislikes to two or three that the group deems most important. These, you are told will be later synthesized. What is going on? You look around and note a look of bewilderment on several other faces. No explanation is offered; and you, feeling at quite a disadvantage but not wanting to look like a total ignoramus or fool, are hesitant to ask. You say nothing and go along. But the feeling of discomfort remains and continues to grow. What is going on?
Who owns the private company Elk Konnected, LLC?
Why do they employ the professional community organization services of Terry Woodbury?
More info:
http://www.vlrc.org/articles/110.html (http://www.vlrc.org/articles/110.html)
http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/~consensus.htm (http://www.learn-usa.com/transformation_process/~consensus.htm)
And half the posts were yours, weren't they?
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 06:02:40 PM
And half the posts were yours, weren't they?
What's the point? It's being read maybe by many, many more. And even the sheples may open their minds and learn something.
And where are all the new members that were asked to join to show their support for your opinion?
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
And where are all the new members that were asked to join to show their support for your opinion?
You seem to have a real problem staying focused on the important issues.
What is Elk Konnected, LLC's detailed 5 year plan for the development of this county? How will that plan be implemented? What are the specific objectives? Or is it kinda hit n miss?
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 06:30:24 PM
And where are all the new members that were asked to join to show their support for your opinion?
Did you invite someone and get stood up?
This is an open forum andthere are no requirements to join in in any thread. Didn't you know that?
We invited The Elk Konnected registered members but they apparently are not communicators with out their mouth piece from Wilson County. And he is not part of Elk Konnected, he is a hired hand. Perhaps you could call him Elk UnKonnected since is not an Elk County resident.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
I just invited the onlookers to express their support for your opinions. You got stood up.
LOL...You go, Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
Go Wilma, I like your style.
CLAPPING HANDS!!! Go Wilma!
Even a child can see that dozens of perfectly valid questions have been asked, and all have gone unanswered, nay, ignored.
I suspect most serious citizens who really care about their communities can see the childish games of sandbox ridicule being played.
If you think there aren't discussions about the issues in this thread on the streets, you are mistaken.
If you think those discussions largely mirror your childish dismissals, you are greatly mistaken.
Cheer, chide and goad all you wish, at some point, the answers will materialize. Just verifiable answers, that's all we seek.
You do not seek answers! Plain and simple. You seek only to continue a smear campaign against anyone associated with Elk Konnected in any capacity. You have attacked singularly and as a group the very people who are trying their darndest to give Elk County and the surrounding area a better future. You have attacked their methods, you have attacked their motives, you have attacked their heritage.
Attack, attack, attack!
You've been given answers. You have been told where you can find answers. You don't like the answers you have received because they do not match your preconceived, narrow-minded viewpoint that any progressive change is bad and must be attacked!
Attack, attack, attack!
QuoteThe big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors. They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms. No one is running the show the show is running itself. If you want to be involved all you have to do is show [/b] up. Act civil to others and they will reciprocate. There is no state or national entity that sets out rules or issues. The issues are generated from those who attend. Elk konnected did not create the issues only a means to communicate. They have taken on problems that have been ignored or did not materialize until people got together and brought it up.
I think the answer is there Ross...and you might be approching from the different direction of some. I have seen you question several issues: Membership...converstation tactics as well as ethis.
I really question the ethics and possibly the 'discussions'. If what happened at the Commisioner's meeting, then that does fall withing the guidelines of the Delphi tactic. I respectfully appreciated your drive...I just wonder if you are digging for a 'well of water' that is full of dried bones...
Dang it, I wished I lived in Elk County again! ???
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Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
You do not seek answers! Plain and simple. You seek only to continue a smear campaign against anyone associated with Elk Konnected in any capacity. You have attacked singularly and as a group the very people who are trying their darndest to give Elk County and the surrounding area a better future. You have attacked their methods, you have attacked their motives, you have attacked their heritage.
Attack, attack, attack!
You've been given answers. You have been told where you can find answers. You don't like the answers you have received because they do not match your preconceived, narrow-minded viewpoint that any progressive change is bad and must be attacked!
Attack, attack, attack!
Progressive change = Communism. Pure and simple. That is the definition of progressivism.
The Progressives believed in the Hamiltonian concept of positive government, of a national government directing the destinies of the nation at home and abroad. They had little but contempt for the strict construction of the Constitution.
IF your a progressive your against the Constitution. IF your against the Constitution you are Not acting in the manner an American should. Your in fact working to destroy America unless you follow the law of the land.
So which are you Flilnt, for the Constitutional Law of the land or are you against it. IF you are progressive you have made the choice to go against.
Quote[Act civil to others and they will reciprocate/quote]
and that is a subjective opinion in my opinion.
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okay, so I screwed up the post. <<<<sighs>>>
you get my drift?
again, I think ready
mr. srk:
cannot you be progressive to a point without being against the constitution? I can see where that will lead....but in little steps?
ready
We have had this argument before, but for anyone new that is looking in:
Progressive change simply means a change from the status quo to something new and different. Conversely, retrogressive change refers to a return a policy or institution that has been used by that society in the past.
Being for progressive change does not equal being pro-communist. Only those at the extreme far-right believe that way. You can be Conservative and be for progressive change. You can be Moderate and be for progressive change. Only ultra-right extremists believe that anyone to the left of them must be a Radical or a Liberal.
This country was founded as a radical progressive change from the status quo, yet I don't ever remember hearing our Founding Fathers being called communists.
And if we are going to continue this line of thought, I suggest a new thread!
ok, let me put this another way.
Can a person put on a 'sad' face and get the same thing that someone else asks for...
Can I go and apply for a Grant, with an LLC licsense and give it to the county for which I didn't have the money for?
Both answers are yes.
Can I then use my LLC or turn it over to a 'group' to show that that group can bring 'good things' to the country?
maybe.
Can a Comissioner, who is a classified member and contact person of a group that was hired by the said afore 'group' "convince" and I really cringe at using that word...the good ole boys to vote for it?
No...I do not like it, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would call the KCCA.
However, if you in the county don't think, nor can prove this....then it is just 'what ifs' and painting a very wide brush on a small post of events.
Just my Honest Opinion...JMHO.
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Quote from: readyaimduck on June 14, 2011, 08:14:37 PM
mr. srk:
cannot you be progressive to a point without being against the constitution? I can see where that will lead....but in little steps?
ready
Change is fine, as long as you do it right. I.E. Constitutionally right. As i said if you call yourself a progressive, then you hold to the hamiltonian ideals that Government is your nanny and will solve all your problems. As far as Flints ramblings, no thats not true, i can name quite a few "LEFTS" that are Constitutional. Zell miller is one, lieberman is another, THey both aren't right winger extremissts. Lets take ron paul he's not rightwing.
I myself am no where near right wing. In fact its LIbertarian not right wing to hold to CONSTITUTIONAL values of which, after reading what happens in the meetings, and the refusal to answer the questions asked by those who are in charge, it smells rotten. IF they didn't have anything to hide, and they had no ulterior motives, no personal agenda, then why the silence? They are pulling the ole obama play out of the Liberal playbook, ignore the question. How long did it take for him to "officially" release a "Supposedly Real" birth certificate? Same S*** different day is all.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 14, 2011, 08:25:14 PM
ok, let me put this another way.
Can a person put on a 'sad' face and get the same thing that someone else asks for...
Can I go and apply for a Grant, with an LLC licsense and give it to the county for which I didn't have the money for?
Both answers are yes.
Can I then use my LLC or turn it over to a 'group' to show that that group can bring 'good things' to the country?
maybe.
Can a Comissioner, who is a classified member and contact person of a group that was hired by the said afore 'group' "convince" and I really cringe at using that word...the good ole boys to vote for it?
No...I do not like it, I wouldn't stand for it, and I would call the KCCA.
However, if you in the county don't think, nor can prove this....then it is just 'what ifs' and painting a very wide brush on a small post of events.
Just my Honest Opinion...JMHO.
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The problem is this, with a LLC the Citizens cannot get an accounting. IF the LLC does the governments business then the government hides PUBLIC business behind a LLC which is highly suspicious. ALL government business has to be accounted for, and you cannot get that with them hiding behind an LLC.
QuoteOnly those at the extreme far-right believe that way.
MR Flint:
I am neither right or left, I AM stright down the middle on this. There is no inclusion or exclusion of feeling.
I am not a left-wing or a right-wing...Only my higher power will give my those when the time is due.
If your post was not for me, then please disregard this message.
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QuoteThe problem is this, with a LLC the Citizens cannot get an accounting. IF the LLC does the governments business then the government hides PUBLIC business behind a LLC which is highly suspicious. ALL government business has to be accounted for, and you cannot get that with them hiding behind an LLC.
Now that sir, makes sense
And before folks go aww I know so and so up there they are outstanding blah blah blah..... I don't trust anyone in Government. I don't care if they are outstanding or if they are a low down drunk. IF they can do the job legally and ethically and openly thats as much as i want to have to do with a politician. I generally have to take 2 or 3 showers after meeting with one, cause i always feel i got screwed royally when i leave the meeting.
As far as small town politics, was raised up in small towns, and they are far more corrupt generally than the big city politicians.
I don't think its any different out here.
Do you have any proof that our commissioners are dishonest? Remember, no proof has been presented on this thread.
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 06:48:25 PM
I just invited the onlookers to express their support for your opinions. You got stood up.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 14, 2011, 06:49:29 PM
LOL...You go, Girl!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D
How immature and childish.
Why Wilma, what would they do with proof? Or answers? That would just bring the political witch-hunt to a screeching halt. They are having so much more fun with ambiguous (at best) accusations and insinuations than they would ever have with proof or answers.
Aren't the rules of a debate or a 'discussion' is that the offending partiies states the case, and the defending has to give proof? I f that is the case, Wilma it is up to now the Comissioners.
ready, and out (bed)
Quote from: frawin on June 14, 2011, 06:51:43 PM
Go Wilma, I like your style.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 06:53:34 PM
CLAPPING HANDS!!! Go Wilma!
If all Elk Konnected followers are so childish and immature that explains why they have so few.
They must also lack integrity and ethics to follow an organization that takes credit for the Summer Day Camp that Elk County Government is sponsoring, which was admitted to in the County Commissioners meeting Monday. And an organization that takes taxpayers money and denies it right there again in a County Commissioners meeting after recieving money from the commissioners.
Show some maturity.
Try answering:
Who are the registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
You do not seek answers! Plain and simple. You seek only to continue a smear campaign against anyone associated with Elk Konnected in any capacity. You have attacked singularly and as a group the very people who are trying their darndest to give Elk County and the surrounding area a better future. You have attacked their methods, you have attacked their motives, you have attacked their heritage.
Attack, attack, attack!
You've been given answers. You have been told where you can find answers. You don't like the answers you have received because they do not match your preconceived, narrow-minded viewpoint that any progressive change is bad and must be attacked!
Attack, attack, attack!
Are you a registered member of elk konnected?
Wilma, I owe you an apology.
It is the people makking the claims that have to show proof.
Stupid me!
Sorry...now I NEED to be
Ready for bed
Quote from: Ross on June 14, 2011, 10:45:44 AM
Oh yea, Commissioner Hendricks, Asked me why I could not ask her before the meeting, why can't you talk to me in private, . . . Third, I would not trust being in private with her, so that would never happen.
Mr. FW Ross,
Just what are you insinuating here - "I would not trust being in private with her"?
Would you??????????????????
Ross, are you a follower, a leader, or just full of yourself?
I was told that the Youth Coordinator function of the Elk County government, a position now held by Ms. Brummel, was created in recent years by the county commission at the suggestion of Elk Konnected. I was also told the joint function of Economic Development Director was a part time function prior to the addition of the youth coordinator duties. Will anybody here confirm that?
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Do you have any proof that our commissioners are dishonest? Remember, no proof has been presented on this thread.
Don't need proof. They must account for everything they do. That is the right of every citizen and when they don't, then we can expect something illicit is going on. Trust no one in government! They are easily corrupted.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 14, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
...They are easily corrupted.
William Pitt, the Elder, The Earl of Chatham and British Prime Minister to the UK House of Lords in 1770:"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
Lord John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
As true today as when first spoken.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
We have had this argument before, but for anyone new that is looking in
And if we are going to continue this line of thought, I suggest a new thread!
You are acting like Elk Konnected saying but not doing.
Don't just suggest go do it. Go start a new thread. elk konnected suggestions don't appear to work either.
Who are those people, the elk konnected, LLC registered members?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 08:49:22 PM
Why Wilma, what would they do with proof? Or answers? That would just bring the political witch-hunt to a screeching halt. They are having so much more fun with ambiguous (at best) accusations and insinuations than they would ever have with proof or answers.
If everything is so bogus why do you hang around here? If elk konnected is all that an a bag of peanuts you should not have to find this thread as a threat and have to defend elk konnected would you.
But hey, didn't elk konnected abuse Elk County resoursces by:
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebos aunt called them on it.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently claim to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
When asked of the county commissioners why Elk Konnected is claiming credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp, County Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make who gets credit?" That question only required an answer of DUH. But I was polite. It was stated by me, that I am proud of this county and the work our employee had done in setting the Elk County Summer Day Camp. Odds are you won't read any of it in the minutes of the meeting because two board members are admitted supporters of Elk Konnected. I believe they have misguided loyalties, that's my opinion and I stand by it.
I believe if our elected officials wish to be a Booster Club for people that abuse our County Resources they should at least show a bit of discreation and not do it during the County Commissioners meetings. Or wait a minute are they by chance registered members of
Elk Konnected?
How about the County Commissioner that claims to be the founder of elk konnected. She wrote a letter slamming at least one of our Elk County Communities and wrote another letter as a third person praising herself as Elk Kopnnected. Where are the ethics of Elk Konnected?
Elk Konnected seems only to have came up with the same old idesa and to have copied events that have gone on for years with in the different communities, nothing new, nothing innovative.
Who are these people, the registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
We have had this argument before, but for anyone new that is looking in:
And if we are going to continue this line of thought, I suggest a new thread!
If everything is so bogus why do you hang around here? If elk konnected is all that an a bag of peanuts you should not have to find this thread as a threat and have to defend elk konnected would you.
But hey, didn't elk konnected abuse Elk County resoursces by:
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebos aunt called them on it.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently claim to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
When asked of the county commissioners why Elk Konnected is claiming credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp, County Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make who gets credit?" That question only required an answer of DUH. But I was polite. It was stated by me, that I am proud of this county and the work our employee had done in setting the Elk County Summer Day Camp. Odds are you won't read any of it in the minutes of the meeting because two board members are admitted supporters of Elk Konnected. I believe they have misguided loyalties, that's my opinion and I stand by it.
I believe if our elected officials wish to be a Booster Club for people that abuse our County Resources they should at least show a bit of discreation and not do it during the County Commissioners meetings. Or wait a minute are they by chance registered members of
Elk Konnected?
How about the County Commissioner that claims to be the founder of elk konnected. She wrote a letter slamming at least one of our Elk County Communities and wrote another letter as a third person praising herself as Elk Kopnnected. Where are the ethics of Elk Konnected?
Elk Konnected seems only to have came up with the same old ideas and to have copied events that have gone on for years with in the different communities, nothing new, nothing innovative.
Who are these people, the registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 09:13:49 PM
Mr. FW Ross,
Just what are you insinuating here - "I would not trust being in private with her"?
I don't believe there is an FW Ross on this thread.
But what are you insuating that he isi nsuating??? :D
Who is the her?
Who are the elk konnected, LLC registered members?
Quote from: Wilma on June 14, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Do you have any proof that our commissioners are dishonest? Remember, no proof has been presented on this thread.
Wilma dishonest in what way, dishonest of what?
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?[/b]
Ross, if you are going to quote me, then do so in context. The last quote you posted (in reply 1033, also quoted out of context in reply 1031) is the first and last line of a response (reply 1011) to skruzich after he changed the subject to a discussion of what he felt is the definition of progressive thought, which is ancillary to this thread.
Yet another nice try at deflecting by using selective interpretation and context. ...
Oh, and sorry I got your first initial wrong, Mr. Lloyd Wayne Ross. And just why did you say "I would not trust being in private with her"? And everyone here knows who the 'her' is, especially you since it came from your post.
Yet another deflection.
Quote from: Ross on June 15, 2011, 05:21:07 AM
Wilma dishonest in what way, dishonest of what
You're the one claiming they are dishonest, not Wilma.
Guess we've gone from attack, attack, attack to delfect, deflect, deflect. Sad, just sad.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 14, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
You do not seek answers! Plain and simple. You seek only to continue a smear campaign against anyone associated with Elk Konnected in any capacity. You have attacked singularly and as a group the very people who are trying their darndest to give Elk County and the surrounding area a better future. You have attacked their methods, you have attacked their motives, you have attacked their heritage.
Attack, attack, attack!
You've been given answers. You have been told where you can find answers. You don't like the answers you have received because they do not match your preconceived, narrow-minded viewpoint that any progressive change is bad and must be attacked!
Attack, attack, attack!
Give me a break. If you actually feel that way, why do you continue to support this therad?
You are excused and may exit any time you wish.
Who are the actual registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: greatguns on June 14, 2011, 09:23:30 PM
Ross, are you a follower, a leader, or just full of yourself?
I'm full of bull sh^t and I know it. But never a follower. What are you full of?
Quote from: Ross on June 15, 2011, 05:29:51 AM
Give me a break. If you actually feel that way, why do you continue to support this therad?
You are excused and may exit any time you wish.
From a readily available definition of character assasination:
"In practice, character assassination may involve doublespeak, spreading of rumors, innuendo or deliberate misinformation on topics relating to the subject's morals, integrity, and reputation. It may involve spinning information that is technically true, but that is presented in a misleading manner or is presented without the necessary context. For example, it might be said that a person refused to pay any income tax during a specific year, without saying that no tax was actually owed due to the person having no income that year, or that a person was sacked from a firm, even though he may have been made redundant through no fault of his own, rather than being terminated for cause."
My desire is that this smear campaign against the honest, hard-working, forward-thinking citizens that are associated with Elk Konnected in various capacities would come to an end so that all of the people involved (on all sides) could get on with their lives, doing productive things for themselves and others, instead of wasting so much time, energy and spirit on something so absurdly petty and crass.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 15, 2011, 05:24:23 AM
Ross, if you are going to quote me, then do so in context. The last quote you posted (in reply 1033) is the first and last line of a response (reply 1011) to skruzich after he changed the subject to a discussion of what he felt is the definition of progressive thought, which is ancillary to this thread.
Yet another nice try at deflecting by using selective interpretation and context. ...
Oh, and sorry I got your first initial wrong, Mr. Lloyd Wayne Ross. And just why did you say "I would not trust being in private with her"? And everyone here knows who the 'her' is, especially you since it came from your post.
Yet another deflection.
Your first paragraph above insinuates you are giving orders on an open forum, you don't have the right to give orders to anyone on this forum do you? I know I don't. So I'm asking you please try to be polite and say please? Your interpretation is I quoted you out of context. I apologize even though I don't believe it is necessary. Any one can click on the "Quote from" and go directly to the quote.
You tickle me. Funny, funny.
You ask, And just why did you say ""I would not trust being in private with her"? " .
Because I can.
Because I am afforded that privilege by the owners of this web site.
Because I am entitled to my opinion.
Because the Constitution of the United States Of America says I can.
Just as it's your right to make whatever you wish of it.
What is your point? What do you think it means?
What are you insinuating?
What, what, what?
Who are the registered members of elk konnected, LLC?
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Who's the one not answering simple questions now?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 15, 2011, 05:27:22 AM
You're the one claiming they are dishonest, not Wilma.
Guess we've gone from attack, attack, attack to delfect, deflect, deflect. Sad, just sad.
Would you show me that?
Did I use the word dishonest, gasp?
Show me, please?
I believe your elk konnected followers are the ones that have used that word.
Who are the elk konnected registered members?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 15, 2011, 06:06:36 AM
Deflect, deflect, deflect.
Who's the one not answering simple questions now?
I gave you several answers:
Because I can.
Because I am afforded that privilege by the owners of this web site.
Because I am entitled to my opinion.
Because the Constitution of the United States Of America says I can.
And then I asked you
What is your point? What do you think it means?
What are you insinuating?
What, what, what?
And no answer. But that's just fine. You are not required to answer.
Didn't you learn that word deflect from Patriot?
Good job.
If you don't have any registered members how can you have a club, how can you have an organization?
No registered members, no organization, who collects the taxpayers money from the County Commissioners?
I think that should stop if there is no organization.
Who is responsible for where the money is spent? How do we know it's not being embezellled?
Even the Mickey Mouse Club had registered members. No, I wasn't a registered member.
My family was so poor we couldn't afford the postage stamp. Moving on.
Who are the elk konnected registered members?
Re: reply # 1019
"How immature and childish."
Just following the leader here. Just following the leader.
Quote from: Wilma on June 15, 2011, 07:07:36 AM
"How immature and childish."
There seems to be plenty of that to go around. Quoting a line from a good movie, "How about a nice game of checkers?"
All this still doesn't advance the discussion regarding EK, LLC true ownership or its' use of government resources.
It occurs to me, after review of this thread, how terribly little the staunchest supporters of Elk Konnected know, or are willing to share publicly, about the legally established, privately owned company behind the movement they support so strongly. It seems that if one supports, works, or volunteers for a formal organization, they should at least know something about the 'people & processes behind the curtain'.
If so little detail is known by the long time supporters, why would the rest of the public want to jump on the wagon?
Two old sayings come to mind: All that glitters isn't gold. Ignorance is bliss.
They know. They are just not going to share with you or Ross because their words always get twisted. You don't want the truth....you want what you want to hear.....bad things. Those don't exsist in Elk Konnected. Also, a lot of those people don't even read the forum....just because they are working people and have no time to read junk.
I know LLC laws differ from state to state, but I'd still think between tax records and the Secretary of the State of Kansas ,the name (s), and I have a feeling there may be only one or two to make it legal, would be available there.
Some states have privacy acts so that the "member" can be a figure head, even from another state, possibly a lawyer, who does not have to be publicly disclosed. I would assume that the formation of the LLC, that was created for liability purposes ,would have used legal guidance to be sure everything was done properly. Why EK became an LLC in the first place seems to be getting lost in the arguments. I don't know enough about how the Kansas LLC laws differ from Delaware to make a definitive statement. Also to assume that all people who work in Gov't are corruptible and not to be trusted is just not so and very unfair.
Ross, unless I remember the wrong name, in which case I apologize, you did state, suggest, or otherwise accuse EK of being a fraud and did tell people not to go to their meetings, conversations or whatever anyone calls their group assemblies.Yes, you did secondarily modify your statements, but your meanings were very clear. I don't know why you would call for the boycotting of EK. Are other groups that are doing projects independently of EK complaining? Is the creation of pro and con factions helping anyone in any way? Have any local activities stopped or lost worker bees because EK was started?
I know you have what you think is an honorable question stuck in your craw, but if you haven't seen an answer acceptable to you on here by now, you aren't going to. School is out ,projects are going on and people are busy doing what they set out to do, trying to make Elk County a good place to live. It's a beautiful day here and I have a date with the garden to see about annoying some weeds. Have a good one! :-*
Quote from Patriot:
I was told that the Youth Coordinator function of the Elk County government, a position now held by Ms. Brummel, was created in recent years by the county commission at the suggestion of Elk Konnected. I was also told the joint function of Economic Development Director was a part time function prior to the addition of the youth coordinator duties. Will anybody here confirm that?
The silence is deafening huh , Patriot ?? :)
Quote from: flintauqua on June 15, 2011, 05:46:21 AM
From a readily available definition of character assasination:
"In practice, character assassination may involve doublespeak, spreading of rumors, innuendo or deliberate misinformation on topics relating to the subject's morals, integrity, and reputation. It may involve spinning information that is technically true, but that is presented in a misleading manner or is presented without the necessary context. For example, it might be said that a person refused to pay any income tax during a specific year, without saying that no tax was actually owed due to the person having no income that year, or that a person was sacked from a firm, even though he may have been made redundant through no fault of his own, rather than being terminated for cause."
My desire is that this smear campaign against the honest, hard-working, forward-thinking citizens that are associated with Elk Konnected in various capacities would come to an end so that all of the people involved (on all sides) could get on with their lives, doing productive things for themselves and others, instead of wasting so much time, energy and spirit on something so absurdly petty and crass.
I noticed you called it a smear campaign, your choice. We are only asking honesty and openess of Elk Konnected and to stop the use of Controlling tactics. Those used by the man from Wichita County. Tell them to stop taking credit for the things they do not accomplish.
What is wrong with a retraction letter for bashing Elk Falls and the truth about the self serving letter praising themselves.
Your turn.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, the non-organized organization?
Quote from: jarhead on June 15, 2011, 08:49:11 AM
The silence is deafening huh , Patriot ?? :)
And quite revealing, jarhead.
Quote from: mayflower on June 15, 2011, 08:33:37 AM
They know. They are just not going to share with you or Ross because their words always get twisted.
'Their words' most often lack substantive, verifiable fact and are clearly conjecture based on popular opinion. 'Their words', had they been factual and revealing with hint of obfuscation, could have shut this down a month ago.
Quote from: mayflower on June 15, 2011, 08:33:37 AM
You don't want the truth....you want what you want to hear.....bad things.
That, Ms Mayflower, is a perfect example of the very twisting you ascribe to the questioners. Your statement seems to be based on opinion, not fact. What we want to hear are facts. Simple, truthful answers to simple direct questions. Not evasions, not opinions. Now, if the facts end up pointing out 'bad things' then so be it. If not, so be it. Are you suggesting we live in the Walgreen town of Perfect where nothing bad exists? Surely, in today's world, we aren't so afraid of the possibility of 'bad things' that we must launder everything we see or hear. Ignoring bad things won't make them somehow not exist. I would suggest that the 'witch hunt' label might be an avoidance of the 'hiding from the boogy man' argument.
Quote from: mayflower on June 15, 2011, 08:33:37 AM
Those don't exsist in Elk Konnected.
Never a bad thing or unintended consequence in Elk Konnected? Those affiliated with EK have achieved divine perfection and are devoid of all human failing or error? I'm sorry you believe that. Life and people must ultimately be very disappointing to you.
Quote from: mayflower on June 15, 2011, 08:33:37 AM
Also, a lot of those people don't even read the forum....just because they are working people and have no time to read junk.
'Those people'? I adore such generalities. As for reading junk, the numerical facts seem to counter your view regarding readership, and the pejorative 'junk' is your opinion. I notice that you make the time.
Ultimately, questions avoided and unanswered (for whatever reason) do not invalidate the questions or the questioners.
Just giving you the facts....what you don't want to hear.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2011, 08:38:28 AM
I know LLC laws differ from state to state, but I'd still think between tax records and the Secretary of the State of Kansas ,the name (s), and I have a feeling there may be only one or two to make it legal, would be available there.
You are correct. Delaware law, being the pattern for most states' corporate codes, does take on a unique flavor in different states. For example, consider the following:
Many state LLC statutes provide for judicially ordered dissolution if it is not reasonably practicable to carry on the LLC's business in conformity with the LLC's operating agreement. E.g., Del. Code Ann. tit. 6, § 18-802. Washington's LLC Act is similar, but adds "or other circumstances render dissolution equitable." Wash. Rev. Code § 25.15.275. These statutes emphasize the role of the operating agreement in evaluating whether judicially ordered dissolution is appropriate.
The Kansas statute, by contrast, uses an "irreparable injury" test. Any member owning at least 25% of the outstanding interests in the LLC's capital or profits and losses may petition the court for dissolution and sale of the LLC's assets
Ref. http://www.llclawmonitor.com/tags/kansas/ (http://www.llclawmonitor.com/tags/kansas/)
The Kansas statutes regarding an LLC can be found in Article 76 of the Kansas Corporation Code: http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_17/Article_76/
(http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_17/Article_76/)
Quote from: mayflower on June 15, 2011, 10:54:28 AM
Just giving you the facts....what you don't want to hear.
Still reading junk? While you may be providing
a fact (i.e. 'today is Monday'), your fact is totally unrelated to the question (i.e. 'What is causing the smell in the woodpile?). Thanks anyway.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2011, 08:38:28 AM
Ross, unless I remember the wrong name, in which case I apologize, you did state, suggest, or otherwise accuse EK of being a fraud and did tell people not to go to their meetings, conversations or whatever anyone calls their group assemblies.Yes, you did secondarily modify your statements, but your meanings were very clear.
Diane, I was having a bad day and was not thinking clearly, just as I am today. I have nor had no right to make such an assinine remark and I removed it. Which again I am entitled to do. Correct a mistake if I chose to. I am having some serious trouble with an artificial knee and I am trying to get it taken care of before I possibly lose it. I'm having a little trouble with the agency that is responsible for the medical expense. Now I don't mean to be unloading my problems on you and I am sure I'll get the problem straightened out. My personal problem got in the way and I apologize for that.
What I was doing was asking and I placed a period instead of a question mark. I'm only human an full of shot. LOL
My personal opinion is they are frauds and I believe I am entitled to that opinion. Any way here it is.
Quote from: Ross on June 15, 2011, 05:05:52 AM
If everything is so bogus why do you hang around here? If elk konnected is all that an a bag of peanuts you should not have to find this thread as a threat and have to defend elk konnected would you.
But hey, didn't elk konnected abuse Elk County resoursces by:
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebos aunt called them on it.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently abuse the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised.
Didn't Elk Konnected fraudulently claim to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
When asked of the county commissioners why Elk Konnected is claiming credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp, County Commissioner Hendricks asked, "What difference does it make who gets credit?" That question only required an answer of DUH. But I was polite. It was stated by me, that I am proud of this county and the work our employee had done in setting the Elk County Summer Day Camp. Odds are you won't read any of it in the minutes of the meeting because two board members are admitted supporters of Elk Konnected. I believe they have misguided loyalties, that's my opinion and I stand by it.
I believe if our elected officials wish to be a Booster Club for people that abuse our County Resources they should at least show a bit of discreation and not do it during the County Commissioners meetings. Or wait a minute are they by chance registered members of
Elk Konnected?
How about the County Commissioner that claims to be the founder of elk konnected. She wrote a letter slamming at least one of our Elk County Communities and wrote another letter as a third person praising herself as Elk Kopnnected. Where are the ethics of Elk Konnected?
Elk Konnected seems only to have came up with the same old ideas and to have copied events that have gone on for years with in the different communities, nothing new, nothing innovative.
Who are these people, the registered members of elk konnected?
Thank you Diane for noticing. There should have been question marks at the end of the sentences. I would like to see some answers to the questions from elk konnected followers.
Ross, I'm so sorry you're having knee problems. I now know at least 8 people who have had replacements and every one has turned out differently. Several have had a really hard time and have traded back and foot problems for the knee, several were great again in a very short time and most were somewhere in between, a long recovery but worth it and glad they did it. I hope yours does get straightend out soon, no pun intended. I didn't know you had removed your statements, sorry. As far as your being full of shot....uh, did you mean that or did you have another word in mind? ;D
What is a registered member?
Quote from Wilma:
What is a registered member?
Damned if I know Wilma but I wish someone would just post the names of the members of EK. It's been said if the names are posted they will just be "trashed talked " Maybe so--maybe not.
I only really know one of the people listed as a founding member and that is Richard Fish. I know Fish as a hard working, honest man and I feel confident Fish would not do any shady dealings at all----but Fish was only one name on the list and like I said---he's really the only one I know to any extent. Now before I get criticized, I see NO ONE saying Fish did anything wrong .
There---now about that loan I need Mr. Fish------I'm joking !!! ;D
You are great, Jarhead!
Quote from: jarhead on June 15, 2011, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from Wilma:
What is a registered member?
Damned if I know Wilma but I wish someone would just post the names of the members of EK. It's been said if the names are posted they will just be "trashed talked " Maybe so--maybe not.
I only really know one of the people listed as a founding member and that is Richard Fish. I know Fish as a hard working, honest man and I feel confident Fish would not do any shady dealings at all----but Fish was only one name on the list and like I said---he's really the only one I know to any extent. Now before I get criticized, I see NO ONE saying Fish did anything wrong .
There---now about that loan I need Mr. Fish------I'm joking !!! ;D
I've heard the samething that Mr. Fish is a fine person.
However, we have been told right here on this forum that his name is on the LLC license only for the purpose of having a name on the paper. And no one as tried or even thought of trashing him or anyone else.
So, Who are the registered members of elk konnected.
I've posted several times the links to the names of the original members.
Quote from Ross:
And no one as tried or even thought of trashing him or anyone else.
I tried to say that Ross but guess I should have worded it different---or maybe not.
Aw hell Mayflower, I will say about anything if Ol Fish will lower my interest rate by one %.
;)
Quote from: Wilma on June 15, 2011, 01:22:04 PM
What is a registered member?
Wilma,
'Registered' is being used synonymously (and probably mistakenly so) with 'admitted'. An 'admitted' member is the legal term denoting someone who is an owner (i.e. shares in the profits, losses and/or personal liability protections) of an Limited Liability Company (LLC) in accordance with Kansas laws.
K.S.A. 17-7663(k) says:
"Member" means a person who has been admitted to a limited liability company as a member as provided in K.S.A. 17-7686, and amendments thereto, or, in the case of a foreign limited liability company, in accordance with the laws of the state or foreign country or other foreign jurisdiction under which the foreign limited liability company is organized.
K.S.A. 17-7686 says:
Admission of members. (a) In connection with the formation of a limited liability company, a person is admitted as a member of the limited liability company upon the later to occur of:
(1) The formation of the limited liability company; or
(2) the time provided in and upon compliance with the operating agreement or, if the operating agreement does not so provide, when the person's admission is reflected in the records of the limited liability company.
(b) After the formation of a limited liability company, a person is admitted as a member of the limited liability company:...
Such members are the functional equivalent to a partner in a partnership, and they are admitted as members to the LLC based on the Articles of Organization or other Organizational Agreement. Each usually has a percentage interest in ownership. In Kansas, the management (voting) powers of an admitted member can be separate from their ownership interest. Such powers of management are usually established in an organizational agreement entered into by all the admitted members.
Detailed information can be found in the Kansas Statutes Annotated located here:
http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_17/Article_76/ (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_17/Article_76/)
I hope that helps.
Jarhead! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 15, 2011, 02:30:18 PM
I've posted several times the links to the names of the original members.
You've repeated this several times. You've also been told that any names you've referred to were people identified prior to the creation of the limited liability company. There's no formal kink between the names you say you've posted (though I've read your links & still can't find the names) and admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC. Admitted members would have to have been so admitted on or after the date that the Articles of Organization were filed with the Secretary of State. This fact was pointed out to you in a previous post. Care to try again?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on June 15, 2011, 02:30:18 PM
I've posted several times the links to the names of the original members.
That is not the registered members and I've been told several of them are no longer associated with them and that a couple of them have moved from the area. Why don't the registered members speak up?
Who are the registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: jarhead on June 15, 2011, 01:45:26 PM
I know Fish as a hard working, honest man and I feel confident Fish would not do any shady dealings at all----but Fish was only one name on the list and like I said---he's really the only one I know to any extent. Now before I get criticized, I see NO ONE saying Fish did anything wrong .
There---now about that loan I need Mr. Fish------I'm joking !!! ;D
I couldn't agree more with your assessment of Mr. Fish. Good man, without a doubt. As to his association with the LLC, however, his only documented involvement is that of registered agent. That, in no way, makes him an admitted member. I, for one, am not going to assume his role as an owner of the LLC, based on his role as registered agent.
If he, or Mrs. Fish want to clarify any ownership interests he may have, then fine. Otherwise I won't assume.
As for your loan, there's a rumor that the jarhead special rate (29.99%, compounded hourly) will be available only to you and only on this coming Friday after 3PM. Go fer it!
Maybe there are no registered members because there is no business, just a non-profit organization that has been organized as an LLC because of the possiblility of incurring a liabillty if something happened at one of the events that they conduct.
If what you are questioning is the LLC, then why are you concentrating on Ms. Hendricks? Surely there are others that you know are connected. Are they not public enough for your purposes? Ms. Hendricks is only one on the list that appeared in another thread. I am sure that she isn't the only one that is still living in Elk County. In fact, you all have talked about Mr. Fish being the contact person. You know where to find Mr. Fish. Have you talked to him?
Have you taken you suspicions to the proper authorities?
Quote from Patriot:
As for your loan, there's a rumor that the jarhead special rate (29.99%, compounded hourly) will be available only to you and only on this coming Friday after 3PM. Go fer it!
Damn Patriot---I'll be jumping on that deal like a chicken on a June- bug. I'll bet when you were in the military you were one of those guys that loaned money---$5 for $10 !! :)
Ross, you've made mention a number of times that Elk Falls was "slammed" or "put down" by Commissioner Hendricks, and that no apology was ever issued. Could you elaborate on this for those of us unfamiliar with the "put down" that has upset you so much? What was said? Where was it said, and to whom? Is this something that was in printed form, or something you actually heard her say?
Quote from: Ross on June 15, 2011, 03:39:18 PM
That is not the registered members and I've been told several of them are no longer associated with them and that a couple of them have moved from the area. Why don't the registered members speak up?
Who are the registered members of elk konnected?
Quote from: Patriot
You've repeated this several times. You've also been told that any names you've referred to were people identified prior to the creation of the limited liability company. There's no formal kink between the names you say you've posted (though I've read your links & still can't find the names) and admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC. Admitted members would have to have been so admitted on or after the date that the Articles of Organization were filed with the Secretary of State. This fact was pointed out to you in a previous post. Care to try again?
I thought you guys would want to talk to them - some of them might still be members, associated, registered, etc. If not, find out why not. Some have moved from the area; some have not. You were looking for names; you got names. If you've contacted any of them, I missed that posting.
Quote from: indygal on June 15, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
Ross, you've made mention a number of times that Elk Falls was "slammed" or "put down" by Commissioner Hendricks, and that no apology was ever issued. Could you elaborate on this for those of us unfamiliar with the "put down" that has upset you so much? What was said? Where was it said, and to whom? Is this something that was in printed form, or something you actually heard her say?
Indygal, I have been wondering about that to. I have a couple of Howard schoolmates that live at Elk Falls, one of them has been involved in the Town Government for 50 years or so. I will contact them and find out what they know about being "Slammed".
Quote from: jarhead on June 15, 2011, 07:17:49 PM
Damn Patriot---I'll be jumping on that deal like a chicken on a June- bug. I'll bet when you were in the military you were one of those guys that loaned money---$5 for $10 !! :)
$5 for $12.50... inflation, ya know. ;D
Quote from: Wilma on June 15, 2011, 06:22:38 PM
Maybe there are no registered members because there is no business, just a non-profit organization that has been organized as an LLC because of the possiblility of incurring a liabillty if something happened at one of the events that they conduct.
No business? Huh? Please read the statutes. Please understand the liability protections provided by the LLC inure to the benefit of the admitted members, in the event the LLC is claimed against.
Hmmmm. New question.
Who are 'we'?
Why are you insisting that it is a business?
Have you taken this to the proper authorities yet?
Quote from: indygal on June 15, 2011, 07:43:58 PM
Ross, you've made mention a number of times that Elk Falls was "slammed" or "put down" by Commissioner Hendricks, and that no apology was ever issued. Could you elaborate on this for those of us unfamiliar with the "put down" that has upset you so much? What was said? Where was it said, and to whom? Is this something that was in printed form, or something you actually heard her say?
As you elk knnnected followers say it's in this thread, read it.
Quote from: Patriot on June 15, 2011, 08:40:39 PM
Hmmmm. New question.
Who are 'we'?
Lost feelings return
So now maybe I can learn
To stop the world of a lie
This time around
Are we, are we, are we ourselves
Are we, are we, are we ourselves
Because seen through these eyes
We lead a double life
No one would know
So check it out
Stepping out
Here I go
Are we, are we, are we ourselves
Are we ourselves
And do we really know
Most spirit returns
Now maybe we learned
To stop this whirl of a lie
To this earth we are bound I ask you
Are we, are we, are we ourselves
Are we ourselves
And do we really know
Ooh do we know
Are we ourselves
(The Fixx)
Quote from: Patriot on June 15, 2011, 08:32:45 PM
$5 for $12.50... inflation, ya know. ;D
$12.50 "Too Boo Coo" (beaucoup)
Quotethen why are you concentrating on Ms. Hendricks?
I am going to bed now, but I need to respond.
Because she is a comissioner that is involved of the said thread.
Twist it all you wish....are there ethical issues or a confict of interest?...
if so, then proceed, if not, then so be it.
And I Am sure Ross will get the other things on the way.. ;D
Ross, I have determined is a weedwacker with alot of vocabulary and knowledge to boot...doesn't mean I agree with him.
You see, that would be a conversation, or a debate.
Love your passion, Ross. Irrespective of the flack you get! Comes with the territory, just like Wilma gets flack too.
ready for bed
OH, and that Delphi theory that everyone gives no face to: it does exist.
now ready and out
Quote from: Patriot on June 15, 2011, 07:55:12 AM
It occurs to me, after review of this thread, how terribly little the staunchest supporters of Elk Konnected know, or are willing to share publicly, about the legally established, privately owned company behind the movement they support so strongly. It seems that if one supports, works, or volunteers for a formal organization, they should at least know something about the 'people & processes behind the curtain'.
If so little detail is known by the long time supporters, why would the rest of the public want to jump on the wagon?
Two old sayings come to mind: All that glitters isn't gold. Ignorance is bliss.
You know this resembles drug dealers. 3 main rules. NEver use, never touch the product, isolate yourself from the minions that deliver with trusted controlled intermediaries. Generally the bottom never knows whos at the top. When caught they say i don't know, i just make deliveries
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 15, 2011, 08:38:28 AM
. Also to assume that all people who work in Gov't are corruptible and not to be trusted is just not so and very unfair.
Thomas Jefferson hated government, he didn't trust it whatsoever, thats why the Constitution was written in the first place to control a evil that had to be put in place. He never trusted any form of Government but recognized its necessity. So created one that did the job that needed to be done and then chain it down so that it could do no more. UNFORTUNATELY we have leaders that ignore the constitution, knowing that REASONABLE men will not invoke the 2nd amendment unless they go too far in one step.
Actually, Ross, this "insult" you keep referring to is not in this thread or any other (and if it is, I didn't see it). The only thing I've seen is your intepretation of something you perceived to be disrespectful. Can you direct us please to the actual comment that was made by Commissioner Hendricks?
"In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service. Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation."
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
If EK was wanting to "build up" the county, then why even add this one part of the sentence (that Ross keeps referring to)? EK is a group, not the individual cities' government. That "individual government" was elected to do what they believe is right for THEIR town, not for the County as a whole and certainly not for EK.
ELK KONNECTED STEERING COMMITTEE:
Andrea Arbuckle
Nancy Barker
Jennifer Brummel
Julie Englebrecht
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Provence
David Whetstone
Community Goals
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 16, 2011, 07:14:48 AM
"In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service. Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation."
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
If EK was wanting to "build up" the county, then why even add this one part of the sentence (that Ross keeps referring to)? EK is a group, not the individual cities' government. That "individual government" was elected to do what they believe is right for THEIR town, not for the County as a whole and certainly not for EK.
ELK KONNECTED STEERING COMMITTEE:
Andrea Arbuckle
Nancy Barker
Jennifer Brummel
Julie Englebrecht
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Provence
David Whetstone
Community Goals
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
She actually said in the County Commissioners meeting when I quoted the article that they did not mean mean toslam Elk Falls. Actually using the city's name. However rget have not removed the article.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 16, 2011, 07:14:48 AM
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
How does a PRIVATE BUSINESS A LLC plan to ENFORCE property maintenance? IF they are a private corp then they have no authority to ENFORCE ANYTHING.
Sure they can Steve! Especially when part of their steering committee is an ordinance officer, at least in the Longton area.
By whos standards? Mine or EK LLC, or County ord. my dog Doc ??? Smacks of elitist micro managing . One mans trash is another mans treasure .
I wonder how long I will have to establish a yard, if I build a new home, like we plan to do later down the road? Do I have to paint any block buildings like the little Hitlers in Wichita made me do. Helll the code enforcement officer was kind enough to suggest his favorite color. Nice additional service .
Is this what we have to look forward to ???? Or am I just getting excited over nothing?
I very much dislike controll freaks .
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 16, 2011, 11:41:20 AM
Sure they can Steve! Especially when part of their steering committee is an ordinance officer, at least in the Longton area.
Ya know kshillbillys, I like Longton and I like Elk Valley School and my son plays ball for LBA. And I like his coach.
I do not live in Longton but I am about 20 miles west of there. I like the attitude that I am always presented with from the people of Longton. Terrific.
That said in sincerity, what I am about to say and ask may get my son kicked off the ball team but I sure hope not.
I believe the Longton Ball Association actually ask for $500.00 in their letter to the county commissioners each year?
This year at the commissioners meeting when the letter was read Elk Konnected County Commissioner Hendricks said give the $1000.00. Now I am not absolutely positive of this information do to my hearing loss so if someone can verify what I have written here is right, I would appreciate it. I'm not complaining about the LBA, if anything I am happy for them. Perhaps because my son plays for them. Perhaps because it helps that community. But I must add because of the county's debt can we afford to just hand out extra money that is not asked for. I also feel I must ask why would the County Commissioners double the requested amount? Was something else bought that we don't know about?
Yes, I did say Elk Konnected County Commissioner and I will say Elk Konnected County Commissioner Liebo. Why? Because at the last County Commissioners meeting there was talk by both of them that sounded like an Elk Konnected Booster Club. And Commissioner Hendricks said she couldn't keep her different hats she wears separate. That's my opinion a Booster Club for Elk Konnected.
And I do believe I am entitled to an opinion and to ask questions.
Quote from: Humpy on June 16, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
Smacks of elitist micro managing.
It does a bit, doesn't it?
Quote from: Humpy on June 16, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
Is this what we have to look forward to ????
Good question Humpy. We'll add that one to the list.
How about that newspaper article on the front page?
ELK KONNECTED DAY CAMP GETS UNDERWAY IN HOWARD
Even though it was admitted in the County Commissioners Meeting Monday
that it is an Elk County Event and not an ELK KONNECTED Event they are still taking credit.
What nerve.
Oh, they'll say it's the papers fault, but wait Rudy told me in an email he is affiliated with Elk konnected as the editor I think he could change anything right up to the last minute and beyound.
Next excuse, it's to late to change the paper, no, I don't buy that either. Sure the deadline for ads is Monday
at 5 pm. But this is not an ad is it?
Page 6 Says Who owns Elk Konnected, LLC
As I read it no one owns Elk Konnected, no one owns responsibility for Elk Konnected.
It even says says Elk Konnected is not responsible for their own money and that their money is held by
ECCEF.
So if nobody accepts responsiblility for Elk Konnected, how in the heck can we even consider it a responsible
entity? like the father that denies responsibility and doesn't pay child support, don't ya think?
They said they became an LLC to protect the members. Protect the members from what?
Being responsible? Nobody wants responsibility? WOW, what's that about? Instead of buying insurance?
Or is there another reason?
Isn't that sort of like the irresponsible father that refuses to pay child support. He denies responsibility.
Why can't he become an LLC, too!
This just keeps getting worse everyday, or is that better? My mind is in a spin with El Konnected.
My disclaimer: This is just my opinion and I am not making an opinion for you. Just letting my forum friends know my opinion.
Quote from: Humpy on June 16, 2011, 11:56:38 AM
Helll the code enforcement officer was kind enough to suggest his favorite color.
Is that what's meant by '
community development and community organizing'?
Then there's always '
youth development coordination '.
But I don't think that's like 'eye/hand coordination' skill development.
Who is the 'we'?
Is that like 'But mom! Everybody's doing it.'?
It has already been said many times that the LLC was formed to protect the members from liability in case of an accident during one of their sponsored events. Let's keep this straight and stop changing the wording of things. As far as responsility goes, who is responsible for all this balderdash that we are being fed? Why? What is the reason? Is it personal or is there really something unethical occurring?
Have you taken it to the proper authorities yet?
Keep asking, Wilma...I doubt you'll get an answer any faster than Pat and Ross have...That would kill the thread! lol
Re: the request of the Longton Ball Club for $500.00 from the county.
Ross, wherever you heard that it was doubled to $1000.00 must really be blamed on your hearing loss as many other things that you say could be. The minutes of the Elk County Commissioner's meeting clearly stated that $500.00 was asked for and approved. There was no mention of anyone offering to double it. Who do I believe in this? The reported minutes of the Commissioner's meeting of course. They are written by one of our own long time residents of Elk County whose ethics are unimpeachable.
Wilma,
A guy that was in Longton city hall a couple days ago said the city clerk got a call and someone wanted to talk to our City police/ ball assoc. president, and she just happened to be in the city office at the time. When she got off the phone she announced that the county had given Longton Ball $1,000. Now I wasn't there but the guy who told me that has" ethics that are unimpeachable ". Then again maybe it was just $500 and our city marshal has bad hearing !!
Quote from: jarhead on June 16, 2011, 04:32:31 PM
Wilma,
A guy that was in Longton city hall a couple days ago said the city clerk got a call and someone wanted to talk to our City police/ ball assoc. president, and she just happened to be in the city office at the time. When she got off the phone she announced that the county had given Longton Ball $1,000. Now I wasn't there but the guy who told me that has" ethics that are unimpeachable ". Then again maybe it was just $500 and our city marshal has bad hearing !!
I have a hearing problem I do admit that, it's due to serving my country It is a nerve damage type loss and I need new hearing aid due to more loss I am awaiting the new aids This is the humility I get for serving my country
Thank you for speaking up and confirming what I thought I heard
I did forget that the money for the LBA comes from a seperate recreational fund and should not affect the debt we owe.
I am happy for Longton Ball Association.
Quote from: Wilma on June 16, 2011, 01:35:35 PM
It has already been said many times that the LLC was formed to protect the members from liability in case of an accident during one of their sponsored events.
instead of having insurance to protect EK and the children that might get hurt at an event due to no one being responsible, just protect the members? Okay!
Quote from: jarhead on June 16, 2011, 04:32:31 PM
Wilma,
A guy that was in Longton city hall a couple days ago said the city clerk got a call and someone wanted to talk to our City police/ ball assoc. president, and she just happened to be in the city office at the time. When she got off the phone she announced that the county had given Longton Ball $1,000. Now I wasn't there but the guy who told me that has" ethics that are unimpeachable ". Then again maybe it was just $500 and our city marshal has bad hearing !!
Would that be the same person listed in this weeks paper as being on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
Quote from: Wilma on June 16, 2011, 03:47:36 PM
Re: the request of the Longton Ball Club for $500.00 from the county.
Ross, wherever you heard that it was doubled to $1000.00 must really be blamed on your hearing loss as many other things that you say could be. The minutes of the Elk County Commissioner's meeting clearly stated that $500.00 was asked for and approved. There was no mention of anyone offering to double it. Who do I believe in this? The reported minutes of the Commissioner's meeting of course. They are written by one of our own long time residents of Elk County whose ethics are unimpeachable.
Have the minutes of Mondays Commissioners meeting already been aproved and printed. Please correct me if I am wrong but I believe the minutes of Mondays meetings must be approved at the next meeting and then they get published.
And thank you Wilma for dissing my disability. I guess that is the thanks I get for serving my country.
Willma didn't diss you any more than you've dissed me or anyone else...You can dish it out but you can't take it? lol She just quoted what you had stated about yourself. And, as far as manipulating her with guilt over something that you incurred in the course of your serving your country...Weak. The priviledge of getting to exercise your constitutional rights, as an American, should be thanks enough, especially considering the amount of patience it requires on the part of others for you to be able to do so.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 16, 2011, 06:18:40 PM
The priviledge of getting to exercise your constitutional rights, as an American, should be thanks enough, especially considering the amount of patience it requires on the part of others for you to be able to do so.
Maybe YOU should thank HIM for the PRIVILEGE (without a D) of exercising your rights to bitch about him. And you're right, it does take A LOT of patience to read some people's posts, especially ones that diss Elk County RESIDENTS... ::)
THANK YOU ROSS!!
::) ;D
kshillbillies:
Who is dissing the Elk County residents? We certainly aren't except for a couple that insist that the whole county is corrupt.
The minutes of the county commissioner's meeting that contained the request for and granting $500.00 to Longton for their ball club was in the paper maybe a couple of months ago. Since then, Howard has requested and been granted $500.00 for their ball club.
Jarhead: I am sure that you didn't hear right. Why don't you call Donna K and ask her if she remembers. If they did get $1000.00, then someone in Longton should be asking what they did with it.
Yes, Ross...In all seriousness, I agree with the Hillbilly...Thank you for your service to our country. I have many people in my family who have served long careers in the military, in all the branches, including the Army Air Corps when it existed. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. My point still stands.
Quote from: Wilma on June 16, 2011, 06:35:36 PM
kshillbillies:
Who is dissing the Elk County residents? We certainly aren't except for a couple that insist that the whole county is corrupt.
The minutes of the county commissioner's meeting that contained the request for and granting $500.00 to Longton for their ball club was in the paper maybe a couple of months ago. Since then, Howard has requested and been granted $500.00 for their ball club.
Jarhead: I am sure that you didn't hear right. Why don't you call Donna K and ask her if she remembers. If they did get $1000.00, then someone in Longton should be asking what they did with it.
Wilma, the couple that "insist that the whole county is corrupt" have not called me corrupt, or Jarhead, or you. So please do not post half truths, because no one has stated that the WHOLE COUNTY is corrupt.
And maybe LBA did get $500 a couple of months ago when they were trying finish the work on the ballfield and ran out of the $4800 they borrowed from the City of Longton. But what Ross is referring to, is MONDAY, JUNE 13th's COUNTY COMMISSIONER MEETING, in which those minutes have not been approved yet or printed in the Prairie Star...get it? And trust me, people in Longton ARE asking what the LBA does with all this money....
I see, what Ross is talking about was done at the last meeting of the commissioners. Why didn't he say so? I can't say anything about that since I wasn't there and the minutes haven't been published yet.
Now I am wondering, what is wrong with giving the Longton Ball Club $1000.00 to improve their ball field and clubhouse? The money is budgeted for the use of the recreational programs. What else should the commissioners do with it? I have nothing against Longton getting money from the county to help with the expenses of providing summer programs for their young people. Why are we bitching about it?
Jarhead: please forgive me for thinking that you had bad hearing. I should have known that the only thing you lie about is Ol' Sarge.
Quote from: Ross on June 16, 2011, 05:50:10 PM
instead of having insurance to protect EK and the children that might get hurt at an event due to no one being responsible, just protect the members? Okay!
Damn Ross that can't happen.... That would be a responsible act.
Quote from: Wilma on June 16, 2011, 07:04:58 PM
I see, what Ross is talking about was done at the last meeting of the commissioners. Why didn't he say so? I can't say anything about that since I wasn't there and the minutes haven't been published yet.
I'm Sorry about that. I figured people knew because of my earlier post that it was this Mondays meeting. I'll try to be more careful.
Quote from Wilma:
Jarhead: please forgive me for thinking that you had bad hearing.
Huh, did you say something ? Oh yea, I do have bad hearing Wilma. Like Ross ,the ol combat is kinda rough on the ears---BUT--the main problem with my hearing is ol Sarge. That's right---when I was a pup I let the moron talk me into letting him slap me upside the head--with both hands. He said if he smacked both ears at the same time that boogers would shoot out both nostrils with the same velocity of a Red Ryder BB gun---he lied---and I'm deaf !!!!
lol ;)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 16, 2011, 06:39:45 PM
Yes, Ross...In all seriousness, I agree with the Hillbilly...Thank you for your service to our country. I have many people in my family who have served long careers in the military, in all the branches, including the Army Air Corps when it existed. Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. My point still stands.
Thank you. We all make errors, me to.
Quote from: jarhead on June 16, 2011, 07:58:19 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Jarhead: please forgive me for thinking that you had bad hearing.
Huh, did you say something ? Oh yea, I do have bad hearing Wilma. Like Ross ,the ol combat is kinda rough on the ears---BUT--the main problem with my hearing is ol Sarge. That's right---when I was a pup I let the moron talk me into letting him slap me upside the head--with both hands. He said if he smacked both ears at the same time that boogers would shoot out both nostrils with the same velocity of a Red Ryder BB gun---he lied---and I'm deaf !!!!
Wilma, don't let him kid you on this, I think Joyce has had to slap him up side the head lots of times. If she hasn't she probably should have. I think he has selective hearing.
Quote from: Ross on June 16, 2011, 08:03:22 PM
Thank you. We all make errors, me to.
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OOPS!
Does Jarhead kid? I thought he was the serious type.
Flint, nobody is right 100% of the time.
Welcome back, Varmit. You've been missed. When you get caught up with all the reading, we'll send you a coupon for some Visine eye drops.
Oh, after you read the paper, see if you can help figure out who 'we' is/are.
It appears from what I have been reading on here that there is corruption in our local government. I submit for your reading pleasure, the code of ethics handed down by the Kansas County Commissioners Association to clarify the accusations of the wrongdoings of the Elk County Commission and founding members of Elk Konnected LLC. I would call for a full investigation from a state level on the funds disbursement from the Elk County Commission to Elk Konnected LLC, i.e. grants, and abstaining to vote when said commissioners and families stand to profit millions of dollars by voting yes to the creation of said windfarm. God help anyone who is "konnected." Please read the following very carefully, paying special attention to Principles 5 and 6.
Ammended by KCCA membership on 11/25/2003
Kansas County Commissioners Association
Code of Ethical Conduct for County Commissioners
Preamble
The opportunity to serve the public as county commissioner is a high honor and confers a sacred
trust to the office holder. Stewardship of the public trust not only requires allegiance to the law,
but also obligates a county commissioner to act in ways consistent with the highest standards of
ethical conduct.
The Kansas County Commissioners Association has adopted this code of ethics as a means of
promoting the vitality of the democratic process in county government. The Association believes
that in carrying out the duties of public office, from time to time every county commissioner is
confronted with ethical dilemmas. The following principles are offered to encourage
commissioners to engage in ethical reflection in advance of decision making. Ultimately, the
ethical course of action for a county commissioner must be discerned by the dictates of
individual conscience and commitment to the public interest.
Principle 1
A county commissioner should be vigorously dedicated to the democratic ideals
of honesty, openness and accountability in all public matters involving county
government.
• A commissioner should exert good faith effort to communicate the full truth about county
matters and avoid structuring information so as to mislead others or gain personal
advantage.
• Accountability requires a commissioner to accept responsibility for his or her public
conduct as well as the actions of the county commission, especially when mistakes occur.
• A commitment to the spirit of open government is characterized by the broadest possible
provisions for public access and information sharing, and qualified only by those
instances when meetings or certain public records are shielded by state law.
• A commissioner has an obligation to report suspected illegal misconduct by another
elected official to the proper investigative authorities.
• The confidentially of executive sessions of commission meetings must be strictly
honored.
Principle 2
A county commissioner should model decorum, respect for others and civility in
all public relationships.
• The honor of public office requires a commissioner to behave with courtesy and respect
for the dignity of others in all public relationships with other elected officials; employees;
citizens, media and representatives of other units of government.
• Commissioners should affirm the value of services provided by government and maintain
a constructive attitude about governmental affairs.
• Meetings of the county commission afford a prime opportunity for commissioners to
promote conduct which enhances respectful civic discourse.
Principle 3
A county commissioner should actively practice stewardship of the county's
human, fiscal and material resources.
• A commissioner should conserve public resources and support the wisest and best use of
those resources consistent with the public interest and community need.
• The principle of merit should guide all of a commissioner's human resource management
decisions associated with recruitment, hiring, compensation, promotion and discharge.
• A commissioner should advocate for and encourage county employees to adopt practices
that promote the most efficient, effective and ethical county services.
Principle 4
A county commissioner should strive for excellence and continuous learning in
personal development and in all operations of county government.
• A commissioner, regardless of the length of tenure in office, should actively seek
opportunities to develop skills and acquire knowledge in order to perform the duties of
public office more effectively.
• A commissioner should dedicate the time necessary to adequately perform the duties of
the office of county commissioner.
• As a member of the governing body, a commissioner should advocate and appropriate
resources for a learning courthouse, a county work environment in which employees are
given opportunities to expand their performance capacities.
Principle 5
A county commissioner should perform the duties of public office with fairness
and impartiality so as to enhance public confidence in county government.
• Impartiality requires a commissioner to engage in conduct unswayed by public clamor,
without fear of criticism and without seeking personal financial gain or partisan
advantage.
• A commissioner should make decisions free from the influence of family members,
private business relationships, or other personal relationships.
• A commissioner should promote county business practices which contribute to public
perception of the impartiality of county decisions.
• A commissioner should abstain from voting even if not required to by law if his or her
impartiality might be reasonably questioned.
• A commissioner should support the principle of equal employment opportunity and
vigorously oppose discrimination in county operations.
Principle 6
A county commissioner should neither seek nor accept any favor from any
source which may be offered to influence his or her official decision making.
• Commissioners should decline to accept anything of value that could be construed by a
reasonable and informed person as intended to influence the commissioner's actions.
• Avoiding the appearance of impropriety sustains public trust in democracy and is a
necessary standard for commissioners to consider in determining an ethical course of
action.
For comments or questions about the KCCA Ethical Code of Conduct, contact:
Tim Norton, KCCA president: mailto:tnorton@sedgwick.gov
The Shadow Knows do you?
One thing I don't know is who you are.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on June 17, 2011, 06:10:34 AM
One thing I don't know is who you are.
I get it, he's the shadow,
No body knows the shadow.
The shadow is everywhere, unless the lights are out.
I like his name and posts.
Mystery and intrigue and ethics and couth.
Keep up the good work Shadow.
Who steers the steering committee?
I was just wondering. Do you suppose Elk Konnected and their affiliates might do
The right, The ethical thing, The couth thing.
Concerning taking front page credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
Wouldn't that be a
positive step on their behalf?
After all they expound the
positive.
How about an apology and a retraction on the front page just like the article
Claiming Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp.
I think that would be
The right thing, The ethical thing, The couth thing to do to set things right in a
positive way.
Elk Konnected often states keep things
positive, lets see if they mean it.
State something
positive about
Elk County on the front page.
Go Elk Konnected, lets see you grow the
positive.
Who steers the steering committee?
It was great interest that I read the article in this week's Prairie Star regarding the 'ownership' of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Yes, EK Cheerleaders, I saw it. However...Lots of rhetoric, smoke and mirrors and yet not one clear answer to the very question posed in the title of the article itself. The 'owners' (admitted members) were not identified. The fact that they have no 'board of directors' or 'officers', etc. is NOT RELEVANT! They are not required by statute to have such positions. Nor are they required to have the types of regular meetings required of corporations. 'Co-conveners' is also not a term associated with the ownership of a limited liability company.
An LLC exists to provide personal liability protection to its'
owners (admitted members) only. That protection shields the personal assets of the owners (admitted members). in the event creditors seek to attach assets for nonpayment or in the event someone sues the LLC for monetary damages. Only the LLC will pay, not the owners (admitted members). It provides NO protection against loss or damages
incurred by its employees, volunteers or non-member associates. Additionally, Damages
caused by volunteers engaging in EK activities would likely still leave the volunteer open to a claim against them personally. An insurance policy might help, though given the scope of activity claimed by EK, I suspect a comprehensive liability policy covering volunteers & non-member associates, especially one including errors & omissions protection, might be prohibitively expensive. Which would raise another set of questions altogether.
While the article did a nice job of identifying those who are the public storefront of and advise (steer) the goals and plans of the LLC, it DID NOT identify the admitted members of the company. I was interested to read the dates of several changes in steering committee positions as they coincide neatly with other events in county government. But that's not important now. What's important is the clear, unvarnished answer to the very question asked and not answered in the article:
Who owns Elk Konnected, LLC?
And 'we', is not the answer. What a waste of ink and paper, IMO. 3 or 4 column inches to say nothing about the very thing the writer purports to tell. Perhaps the paper would better serve its' readership by printing copies of the LLC's Articles of Organization and any internal Operational Agreements it has created. Now
that would make for interesting reading!
Since when does an organization have to identify their membership? What difference does it make who is an admitted member and who is not? Unless you are a member yourself, it is none of your business. Oh, yes, this organization is asking for tax money just as other organizations in Elk County are, isn't it? Why don't you go ask the Longton Ball Club who their admitted members are? Or the Howard Ball Club? They have asked for money, too.
Thank you, Wilma...I have been wondering the same thing...What difference will it make? Even if you have more names beyond the ones listed previously on this thread, what on earth difference will it make to know exactly who EVERY SINGLE MEMBER is? If Pat and Ross were trying to make a point, they made it many pages previous to this one. Even if the PatRoss contingent got their wish and knew absolutely everyone who was a member (and if they are actually living in Elk County, then I guarantee they've seen all the members on a regular basis, just as I used to...And NO, I don't have the foggiest notion of who all is in that organization...And don't care to know...It is enough that they are, as an entity, attempting to help the citizens of Elk County, not hurt them), what could they do with that information? There is nothing to be gained by it. I fail to see what point there is to PatRoss's determination to know absolutely all the members...Unless, of course, the two of them are planning to join the EK team and start doing more than just spreading conjecture...???
Quote from: Wilma on June 17, 2011, 08:41:51 AM
Since when does an organization have to identify their membership?
That's exactly the point. They don't. And I pointed that out weeks ago. They also don't have to reveal their agendas, long range plans or account for any government monies they receive. Sad, ain't it?
Quote from: Wilma on June 17, 2011, 08:41:51 AM
What difference does it make who is an admitted member and who is not?
Under the circumstances, which are a matter of public record, it makes a lot of difference. Sorry you don't see that.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 17, 2011, 08:54:22 AM
Unless, of course, the two of them are planning to join the EK team and start doing more than just spreading conjecture...???
I don't plan to blindly join the Socialist Workers Party in America, either... Even if their promise of a Wallgreen Perfect world looks good on paper.
Wilma,
From your most recent post, I gather you read the article and found no substance either.
Well said, Patriot. Keep up the good work.
Patriot, from your last post I take it that you still don't recognize answers when you see them. At the time I posted, I had not read the article, having missed seeing it while I was looking for the columns from our small town reporters. Now, I have read the article. Every question you have asked is answered there. Try reading it again, then admit that you don't want answers.
Since most of your posts are just repeats of previous posts, methinks that you just like seeing your words in print, regardless of the effect they might have.
Elk Konnected LLC has answered your questions. If you still think there is something illegal, take it to the proper authorities.
Blind puppets followw blindly.
That also seem to accept abuses of the system and the lies that go with it.
Sometimes blind puppets or followers open their eyes.
Is it ignorance or arrogance is bliss?
We can pray for them.
Who steers the steering committee?
Quote from: Wilma on June 17, 2011, 01:36:06 PM
Patriot, from your last post I take it that you still don't recognize answers when you see them.
Pashaw! Read that article again and tell me.... who are the '
we' who do this, that and thus 'n so?
Who steers the steering committee?
Will the puppet master please step forward.
I gotta ask again Does Elk Kopnnected have any ethics?
I was just wondering. Do you suppose Elk Konnected and their affiliates might do
The right, The ethical thing, The couth thing.
Concerning taking front page credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
Wouldn't that be a
positive step on their behalf?
After all they expound the
positive.
How about an apology and a retraction on the front page just like the article
Claiming Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp.
I think that would be
The right thing, The ethical thing, The couth thing to do to set things right in a
positive way.
Elk Konnected always says keep things
positive, lets see if they mean it.
State something
positive about
Elk County on the front page.
Go Elk Konnected, lets see you grow the
positive.
Who steers the steering committee?
Is it that Elk Konnected is too small minded to apologize to Elk County?
The silence seems to afirm a posittive no for an apology.
Apologize for WHAT???????
Why don't the two -three- or ever how many of you that are "so concerned about Elk C. ~~~~~ haul your happy little selves up to Howard and see how much the youth are enjoying the day camp?
I swear --- you are wearing everything SLICK with your constant bitching - if you have a legitimate beef --- do the legal work and get the Hell out of Dodge.
Quote from: Jo McDonald on June 17, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Apologize for WHAT???????
Why don't the two -three- or ever how many of you that are "so concerned about Elk C. ~~~~~ haul your happy little selves up to Howard and see how much the youth are enjoying the day camp?
I swear --- you are wearing everything SLICK with your constant bitching - if you have a legitimate beef --- do the legal work and get the Hell out of Dodge.
WELL SAID Jo, as usual you get to the point. Everyone I have talked to feels that these two have taken over the Forum and hogged it long enough. If they want answers (which I don't think they want answers unless they are the ones they want to hear) then why don't they go to the people involved and stop their childish, rude posting of the same things over and over. I certainly don't blame the EK participants for ignoring them.
Well stated, Jo and Frank!!
I agree.
I can say that I like the stand these men are taking.
To make an impact on this country, it will have to start at the local level. Or are you satisfied with the Obama policies and Elk Konnected? Here you have local people linked to an ACORN type operation here. Do you want your name associated with Elk Konnected?
Well said, Jo! We are all tired of them going ON and ON. They need to go speak to those whose names they have been given. They have been given answers on this forum, but those aren't the answers they want....even though everyone has spoken the truth. They need to get over themselves!
Also, I am PROUD to have my name associated with Elk Konnected! They are a wonderful group of people....including Terry Woodbury. A fine Christian man..........
Quote from: Jo McDonald on June 17, 2011, 03:01:26 PM
Apologize for WHAT???????
Why don't the two -three- or ever how many of you that are "so concerned about Elk C. ~~~~~ haul your happy little selves up to Howard and see how much the youth are enjoying the day camp?
I swear --- you are wearing everything SLICK with your constant bitching - if you have a legitimate beef --- do the legal work and get the Hell out of Dodge.
Yes and you should thank Elk County not Elk Konnected. It is a county sponsored event.Not an Elk Konnected Event.
I hope you understand the difference.
Get out of Dodge??? Wrong County?
Who steers the steering committee?
What do you know about that?
Quote from: mayflower on June 17, 2011, 04:19:46 PM
Well said, Jo! We are all tired of them going ON and ON. They need to go speak to those whose names they have been given. They have been given answers on this forum, but those aren't the answers they want....even though everyone has spoken the truth. They need to get over themselves!
You know that's not true because you keep coming back. No one forces you to come to this link do they?
or do you come here on Behalf of the puppet master at Elk Konnected? Who ever that is?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?Who is the puppet master
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 17, 2011, 04:01:22 PM
I can say that I like the stand these men are taking.
To make an impact on this country, it will have to start at the local level. Or are you satisfied with the Obama policies and Elk Konnected? Here you have local people linked to an ACORN type operation here. Do you want your name associated with Elk Konnected?
Red, during the 2008 Presidential campaign, we agreed on lots of things, I have to tell you that this is the absolute most ridiculous post you have ever made. These people have not proven any illegal, Obama, Acorn type actions or operations. All they have done is make innuendos, conjecture and trash. You know even less about it than they do why would you make such statements. That did not seem to be your style. Think about, why would they be against programs for the youth of Elk County. This thread has been nothing but bad and negative for Elk County, Howard and some individuals that do not deserve the negative comments. This thread is without a doubt the biggest bunch of crap that has ever been put on the Forum. There is no doubt that Ross and Patriot have some personal motive for gain in all of this.
Quote from: mayflower on June 17, 2011, 04:21:18 PM
Also, I am PROUD to have my name associated with Elk Konnected! They are a wonderful group of people....including Terry Woodbury. A fine Christian man..........
OMG Isn't he the man from Washington County hired by Elk Konnected to run control in Elk County, how nice?
A fine Christian man, with a halo I guess? What are you saying?
Christians aren't sinners? What's religion got to do with this?
Well the good Lord is watching and I pray he will open your eyes and your mind. Amen
Is this a new diversion perceived by the puppet master?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 03:07:13 PM
WELL SAID Jo, as usual you get to the point. Everyone I have talked to feels that these two have taken over the Forum and hogged it long enough. If they want answers (which I don't think they want answers unless they are the ones they want to hear) then why don't they go to the people involved and stop their childish, rude posting of the same things over and over. I certainly don't blame the EK participants for ignoring them.
Another diversion. Get a life.
We have not taken over the forum there are many, many threads on the forum, simply go there.
If the owners even thought we were trying to hijack their forum website they would lock us out
Bad diversion. Why do you keep returning to this thread?
I bet instructions from the puppet master.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?However I am glad you do keep coming back.
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
...Think about, why would they be against programs for the youth of Elk County... There is no doubt that Ross and Patriot have some personal motive for gain in all of this.
On the first count, frawin, no questioner has
EVER derided the youth activities themselves to my recollection. To the contrary, the fact EK has done some goo things has been admitted. Questions about the monies involved, yes. Claiming we are against programs for the youth is a misstatement at best or a lie at worst, sir.
On the second count... "no doubt?"...wrong. I have absolutely nothing to gain from these questions, regardless of the answers and invite you to offer proof to the contrary.
THEN TELL ME THIS.......JUST WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO GAIN FROM ALL OF THE CRAP YOU ARE STIRRING???
IF you think there is ANYTHING going on that is not on the up and up...then for the love of God, go through the legal process that will answer your questions. Quit mealy- mouthing around and get on the right horse and ride !!
Your post..Wrong county???? "GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE"...REALLY???!!!???
ARE YOU THAT FAR BEHIND THE TIMES???????
Take the hint -- and ride into the sunset...WE WON'T MISS YOU!!!
Jo, Wilma and everyone else that is tired of this complete nonsense, why don't you all completely stop posting anything to it, ignore. Maybe that will stop some of the trash they keep posting. It is worth a try.
I absolutely agree Frawin. We keep coming back to defend Elk Konnected, Liz, Terry, and the county; but they are so proud of the number of hits, that they are interpeting that as everyone is interested in their trash. I'm done with anything those two are writing. They are not helping Elk County......they are tearing it apart.
I have one more post ----
WHO ARE YOU, THAT WANT THE NAMES OF EVERYONE THAT "OWNS" ????? ELK CONNECTED ???????
WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES ??????
ROSS IS KNOWN BY HIS APPEARANCE AT THE WIND FARM OPEN MEETING. BUT~~~WHO ARE THE REST OF YOU ??
DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELVES...OR IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH OF YOU....THE INQUISITIVE - DOUBTING ONES???
Tell us WHO YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!
You are not going to get someone that walks into a meeting on school ground with a gun on and has a right to carry permit stop anything. They are the type of person that thinks they are better then anyone else. More power to them. Lets all stay off this thread. :P
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
Red, during the 2008 Presidential campaign, we agreed on lots of things, I have to tell you that this is the absolute most ridiculous post you have ever made. These people have not proven any illegal, Obama, Acorn type actions or operations. All they have done is make innuendos, conjecture and trash. You know even less about it than they do why would you make such statements. That did not seem to be your style. Think about, why would they be against programs for the youth of Elk County. This thread has been nothing but bad and negative for Elk County, Howard and some individuals that do not deserve the negative comments. This thread is without a doubt the biggest bunch of crap that has ever been put on the Forum. There is no doubt that Ross and Patriot have some personal motive for gain in all of this.
Wow! Is that a friend you are putting down? Wow! I have a friend that is Elk Konnected and I would never diss him for it.
That would be shameful. But that is one of Elk Konnected's tactics. I'd be ashamed of myself.
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
Think about, why would they be against programs for the youth of Elk County.
We are not against programs for the toddlers, look what our Elk County Government has done for the kids.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp just started this week.
We don't diss the kids, and we don't use the kids as a tool or a weapon like Elk Konnected does.
You just used the kids as a weapon, Let me quote that again.
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
Think about, why would they be against programs for the youth of Elk County.
How low can Elk Konnected stoop?
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 04:32:54 PM
There is no doubt that Ross and Patriot have some personal motive for gain in all of this.
I will repeat I am a retiree, I was forced into disability retirement (in 2005).
I can only speak for myself.
I am retired and on Social Security a fixed income, what on earth could I possibly gain from any of this. Except a clean County Government that operates without interference of unknow puppeteers?
But let me ask since you seem to think there is something to gain. What do you stand to gain??
Do you possibly have plans for major horse trail rides and camp sites, for tourism and repairs to your city lake by use of County funds acquired from the windfarm PILOT funds? Is that possibly why you might be upset with the governor fo trying to start the same thing with tourism in mind? What is Elk Konnected about besides taking credit for what the County is doing for the kids?
I really don't like the perception of the undermining of the County Goverments and City Governments. look back to page one of this thread and read. Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's) And what does centralized mean? Does it mean Howard? Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's) Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the puppet master?
And what does centralized? Does it mean Howard?
Quote from: Jo McDonald on June 17, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
THEN TELL ME THIS.......JUST WHAT IN THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT TO GAIN FROM ALL OF THE CRAP YOU ARE STIRRING???
IF you think there is ANYTHING going on that is not on the up and up...then for the love of God, go through the legal process that will answer your questions. Quit mealy- mouthing around and get on the right horse and ride !!
Your post..Wrong county???? "GET THE HELL OUT OF DODGE"...REALLY???!!!???
ARE YOU THAT FAR BEHIND THE TIMES???????
Take the hint -- and ride into the sunset...WE WON'T MISS YOU!!!
Why don't you take your own advice? Why does Elk Konnected Think they have the right to order anyone off this forum?
Do you own this form? I didn't think so" The owner could just turn us off? Now don't get no idea's of going after them, that would not be nice. Now would it.
Quote from: Jo McDonald on June 17, 2011, 05:04:12 PM
Take the hint -- and ride into the sunset...WE WON'T MISS YOU!!!
And by the way the love of God has nothing to do with it. I may love him more than you do with just cause.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is your puppet master?
I AM JENNIFER WALKER.
Quote from: frawin on June 17, 2011, 05:07:45 PM
Jo, Wilma and everyone else that is tired of this complete nonsense, why don't you all completely stop posting anything to it, ignore. Maybe that will stop some of the trash they keep posting. It is worth a try.
Yes by all means. Let us have some peace. Good job frawin.
By the way may I politely ask are you the puppet master?????
Who is the Puppet Master?
Quote from: Jane on June 17, 2011, 05:26:39 PM
You are not going to get someone that walks into a meeting on school ground with a gun on and has a right to carry permit stop anything. They are the type of person that thinks they are better then anyone else. More power to them. Lets all stay off this thread. :P
Could someone translate this for me, it doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Guns', school ground, meeting?
Does not compute.
Who is the Puppet Master?
LOL quite frankly i think folks are drawn to this thread like bees to honey.
Just can't help themselves.
Ross, are you aware that Jo is the mother of the person that owns the forum?
Quote from: Jo McDonald on June 17, 2011, 05:26:05 PM
I have one more post ----
WHO ARE YOU, THAT WANT THE NAMES OF EVERYONE THAT "OWNS" ????? ELK CONNECTED ???????
WHAT ARE YOUR NAMES ??????
ROSS IS KNOWN BY HIS APPEARANCE AT THE WIND FARM OPEN MEETING. BUT~~~WHO ARE THE REST OF YOU ??
DON'T YOU THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO IDENTIFY YOURSELVES...OR IS THAT ASKING TOO MUCH OF YOU....THE INQUISITIVE - DOUBTING ONES???
Tell us WHO YOU ARE !!!!!!!!!!
I do believe we have got the message that no one owns Elk Konnected. That it is designed without a board of governors or any real form of management raises the question of who pulls the strings. Elk Konnected is basically a non-entity that is unaccountable for anything it may do. It has protected itself from possible lawsuits by becoming an LLC. How in the world does a non-entity have so much say in the county? It even takes credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp after admission during the County Commissioners meeting by all three Commissioners that it is in fact an Elk County Government Event. Where are the ethics in that? Will Elk Konnected write a retraction on the front page of the paper, I doubt it.
In MHO this non-entity is even trying to undermine our county government as previously shown. As I said I am happy for LBA acquiring $1000. But they only asked for $500. that kind of thing never happens for any one else, does it. Of course we have Ms. Brummell our Elk County employee working as Elk County Youth Services, on Elk Konnected Steering Committee, the LBA President on Elk Konnected Steering Committee, two County Council members acting like Elk Konnected Boosters just before the reading of the letter. The actions leave a lot to be questioned. In MHO the questions need to be answered and the citizens of Elk County made aware of them. And Elk Konnected with it's ugly attitude towards us is relavent to the Delphi Technique's mentioned in this thread.
It's all just my opinion.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?
Quote from: Wilma on June 17, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Ross, are you aware that Jo is the mother of the person that owns the forum?
I think everyone is aware that she is wilma. Your point is?
Quote from: Wilma on June 17, 2011, 07:58:33 PM
Ross, are you aware that Jo is the mother of the person that owns the forum?
I wasn't until just a very short time ago.
Thank You.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?
BTW Wilma, Jo raised teresa didn't she, if she can handle teresa, then i don't think handling ross is a problem for her.
I did message the owner and said I would sign off the form is she so desires and not return.
And I do mean that. All she needs to do is tell me to go.
I hope that satisfies everyone.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?
Well, I have read every post from the first of enception, and I will have to say:
I truly think that Elk County is still a 'good ole boys' county.
That being said....the newly elected comissioners have a long road to hoe if they are going to change that. If not, then it will be business as usual and the county folk will still get along, do things together and boitch about so-and -sio.
Ross/Patriot and others: I believe in you stance for what you believe in. If we don't ask, we won't know. Unfortunetly we sometimes get the answer: "you don't need to know".
That doesn't scare me, it makes me wonder what is the end result? ( Reminds me of a pea and shell game)
However, since I don't live in the county, I leave it up to you good folks ( and I am serious about the term 'good')
to duke it out, or die a good thread of a death....or something to that effect.
ready and out....I no longer will interefer in Politics....of which I hate.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 17, 2011, 07:58:01 PM
LOL quite frankly i think folks are drawn to this thread like bees to honey.
Just can't help themselves.
I agree...It's like watching a train wreck...You just can't help yourself, you have to look, in spite of knowing better.
I have been doing a little research on my good friend, Attorney General Derek Schmidt's website about conflicts of interest and ethics for local government. I didn't have to look too hard considering this was the first question answered in his frequently asked questions area about Local Government. I wonder if either of the commissioners that stand to gain money from this windfarm filed a substantial interest report with County Clerk Kaminska prior to voting on that windfarm?
http://www.ksag.org/page/frequent-questions1#5
1. A local government official voted on a matter in which he/she has a "conflict of interest."Is that legal?
The statutes that address local government officials using their positions for personal benefit are K.S.A. 75-4304 and 75-4305.K.S.A. 75-4304 prohibits local governmental officials and employees from participating, in their governmental capacities, in making contracts with persons/businesses that either employ the official/employee or the official/employee has a "substantial interest" in the business."Substantial interest" is defined at K.S.A. 75-4301a and, generally, means some kind of financial interest.There are exceptions to this general prohibition involving competitive bidding and where the price/rate is fixed by law.
As far as voting on a matter which will affect a business in which a local government official has a "substantial interest," K.S.A. 75-4305 allows an official to vote provided he/she has filed with the county election officer either of the following: a disclosure of any "substantial interest" or a report of the nature of the interest.
Violations of these statutes may result in criminal prosecution and forfeiture of office.
For more information, you can review the statutes mentioned above at www.kansas.gov and access the web site of the Governmental Ethics Commission at http://www.kansas.gov/ethics/
this whole thing smells worse than limburger cheese!
the Shadow---------------------KNOWS!
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 17, 2011, 08:36:02 PM
Well, I have read every post from the first of enception, and I will have to say:
I truly think that Elk County is still a 'good ole boys' county.
Oh no doubt. That is obvious! LOL. I learned that when i first moved here.
Shadow,
It's good for the public to know these things, no? Thanks for the update.
Here. Let me give you some information. If you think there is something that is being done illegally, that is unethical, whatever, and it involves the county commissioners, the county sheriff, the county clerk, the county treasurer, the county register of deeds, or the county attorney, the why don't you use the toll free number to Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt's office and lodge a complaint? Verbally or in writing, I really don't care. Tell the AG that this county needs to be investigated. After all, he is the TOP law enforcement officer of the state. I am providing you the contact information that I took from my good friend, Attorney General Derek Schmidt's, website. Since corruption at the county level has been alleged, then it is up to our AG to investigate and either bring to light that there is corruption or put to rest the allegations. I love getting a good investigation started.
Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt
Memorial Hall, 2nd Floor
120 SW 10th Street
Topeka, KS 66612
(785) 296-2215
1-888-428-8436
(785) 296-6296 fax
On that same line of trying to find out who or what this Elk Konnected, LLC, is and who the office holders are and trying to allege that there might be some corruption, (Let's not call it "conflict of interest". Let's call it what you are saying it is, corruption), which is involving the commissioner that has had her name flung around this topic...have any of you thought about talking with the Elk County Attorney Kim King about this? Have you? She is newly appointed and should be able to hear your concerns with a fresh ear. Her office is on the top floor of the courthouse. She has a full-time secretary and her number is 620-374-3507.
I have stayed away from this topic just because it is one of the most boring topics I have ever read. Kind of reminds me of doing tax returns. Makes me want to throw up. However; I thought, okay, maybe some people need a little guidance here. Shine a little light to show these concerned taxpayers who they should be asking these questions of. The Kansas Attorney General's Office in Topeka has the tools and the teeth to see an investigation of this type all the way through. Attorney General Derek Schmidt and his many, many attorneys and employees are paid by taxpayer money to investigate the things that have been alleged on this topic.
Oh, by the way, I am not nor am I affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC. I don't work for the taxpayers of this county. I am not on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, or any other program that someone might construe as public assistance. I am not in anyone's "back pocket" or taking any money to say what I have said on this forum. The only land I own is the land that my house sits on. I pay my county taxes, my state taxes, and my federal taxes. I am no one's "lackey" or "puppet". I might, however; be a Puppet Master. BAHAHAHAHA
Oh, I almost forgot. A few other things to tell you. I totally believe in the "right to bear arms" and I totally believe in "concealed carry." Any of you who know me and know me well will understand why I have verbalized those two things.
And, I do not know the identity of either Ross or Patriot and (big pause here folks, big pause),....I DON'T CARE.
Big whoop.
I have a perfect way for those of you who have all these questions about this topic...Call 1-800-KS-CRIME and make a complaint and they don't even have to know your name. How about that? You don't even have to say who you are. The KBI Director Kirk Thompson works for the taxpayers, too. And you don't even have to give your name. Just tell whoever answers that 800 number what your allegations are. There ya' go.
I also want to thank all of you who have been debating with my mother on this topic. Thank you for keeping an elderly woman's mind active. Gives her something to do. (She will probably get me for calling her elderly.) Oh, well. I can run faster then she can roll in that wheelchair.
Then again, there's always really poor management and a lack of transparency. That would be for the public to judge, wouldn't it? How much debt has this county rung up for the taxpayers to cover? Debt for what? What 'is' debt and what isn't? How much rock went where? How much real growth are we seeing? What kind of growth? Who's purporting to have their finger on the 'pulse of the community'? Where does the taxpayer's money go? Jobs? What jobs? What are the priorities? Who's driving the bus? How does the public learn? Shhhhhh. Don't wake them up.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 18, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
I also want to thank all of you who have been debating with my mother on this topic. Thank you for keeping an elderly woman's mind active. Gives her something to do. (She will probably get me for calling her elderly.) Oh, well. I can run faster then she can roll in that wheelchair.
LOL my elderly mother caught me........
They are sneaky. Theres a saying i use with my kids, Young folks have strength, energy and speed. Old folks have just 1 thing. Treachery
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Here. Let me give you some information. If you think there is something that is being done illegally, that is unethical, whatever, and it involves the county commissioners, the county sheriff, the county clerk, the county treasurer, the county register of deeds, or the county attorney, the why don't you use the toll free number to Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt's office and lodge a complaint? Verbally or in writing, I really don't care. Tell the AG that this county needs to be investigated. After all, he is the TOP law enforcement officer of the state. I am providing you the contact information that I took from my good friend, Attorney General Derek Schmidt's, website. Since corruption at the county level has been alleged, then it is up to our AG to investigate and either bring to light that there is corruption or put to rest the allegations. I love getting a good investigation started.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
the county sheriff, the county clerk, the county treasurer, the county register of deeds, or the county attorney,
I don't believe anyone has mentioned any of these people in this thread except you. But while you are at it you missed Ms. Brummell. May I ask you? Is Ms. Brummell related to the Perkins. Is she related to the County Commissioner Hendricks??? I have heard she is and I am just curious how?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
I really don't care.
If you really don't care why the diatribe?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PMOn that same line of trying to find out who or what this Elk Konnected, LLC, is and who the office holders are and trying to allege that there might be some corruption, (Let's not call it "conflict of interest". Let's call it what you are saying it is, corruption), which is involving the commissioner that has had her name flung around this topic...have any of you thought about talking with the Elk County Attorney Kim King about this? Have you? She is newly appointed and should be able to hear your concerns with a fresh ear.
You have the right to call it what ever you have a desire to call it, if the word corruption is your line of thinking fine. I don't believe anyone else has used that particular word on this thread but you. And coming from someone who doesn't care that is pretty strong language.
Do you really think it is corruption for Elk Konnected to take credit for the Summer Day Camp when it is actually Elk County that is sponsoring it? I personally think it's uncouth and unethical. I also believe there is a conflict of interest on the part of a County Commissioner to be on the Steering Committee of the organization (that is a non-entity) but I don't believe it is corruption. But again if that is your opinion why don't you call Mr. Derick Schmidt's office or the County Attorney?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
I love getting a good investigation started.
If so Go for it. No one is holding you back are they?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Oh, by the way, I am not nor am I affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC. I don't work for the taxpayers of this county. I am not on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, or any other program that someone might construe as public assistance. I am not in anyone's "back pocket" or taking any money to say what I have said on this forum. The only land I own is the land that my house sits on. I pay my county taxes, my state taxes, and my federal taxes. I am no one's "lackey" or "puppet". I might, however; be a Puppet Master. BAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:49:55 PM
Oh, by the way, I am not nor am I affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC. I don't work for the taxpayers of this county. I am not on disability. I am on Medicare and Social Security, and they are not to be construed as public assistance. I have worked hard all my life and paid into the system and there for purchased that insurance. Also as a citizen over 65 I am no longer required to buy a fishing license. Whoopie I am also a vietnam veteran, and I have disabilities, I am no white collar idiot just a redneck hick that is just a little bit nut's but enjoys life. And even enjoy's a good argument and can walk away without carrying a grudge. I to own my home, no house or land payments and no second home on the beach somewhere. Double Whoopie
None of that has anything to do with the unethical and uncouth behavior of Elk Konnected does it.
Oh well, you are entitled to your opinion just as I and everyone else on this forum. So go for it, make those phone calls if you really feel it is necessary.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is the Puppet Master?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 17, 2011, 11:57:10 PM
Oh, I almost forgot. A few other things to tell you. I totally believe in the "right to bear arms" and I totally believe in "concealed carry." Any of you who know me and know me well will understand why I have verbalized those two things.
And, I do not know the identity of either Ross or Patriot and (big pause here folks, big pause), [size=16I DON'T CARE.pt][/size]
Big whoop.
I do believe every one on this thread probably believes in the Constitution and the Kansas State Laws. So I feel compelled to ask.
Why is it necessary to bring up this subject. Have you been threatened? Do you feel threatened? Are you threatening someone?
I personally am a law abiding Citizen and haven't even had a traffic violation in 20 years. I do believe you have every right to protect yourself. But i find it rather curious to bring it up in this forum.
I personally don't know you so I do not understand why you have the need to verbalize this on the forum. Would you enlighten me?
Who is the Puppet Master?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 18, 2011, 12:21:05 AM
I also want to thank all of you who have been debating with my mother on this topic. Thank you for keeping an elderly woman's mind active. Gives her something to do. (She will probably get me for calling her elderly.) Oh, well. I can run faster then she can roll in that wheelchair.
Which one is your mother?
Is she the cagy one that try's to tell us she doesn't understand?
If that's the one, she puts up a good argument.
Frawin, I'm not so sure that I know my own style except I'm not running with the herd anymore than the mentioned Patriot and Ross are. And I certainly am not in favor of such thing as EK or EKLLC. Youth? I'm not against youth anymore than I'm against folks having enough to eat. Except that I'm against government involvement and gov't paying for any of it. Used to be that the only government sponsored baseball was in Cuba - now it's in Elk County, Kansas. You call that progress? What's that catchy little phrase? Stay with us and grow. Look out, Frawin. Gotta wonder what else that bunch is up to.
You oughta know by now that I'm conservative and that's where I'm staying. You're on your own too...........
redcliffsw those are some great points.
However in my opinion Elk Konnected has infiltrated the County Government, some city Government and the school board.
And it has admitted they can't keep their rolls seperate.
My question is for what purpose?
Just MHO.
Have you gone to the proper authorities, yet? Mr. Ross, Mr. Wray, you have been given all kinds of places that you can contact to have this matter investigated. Why haven't you done the right thing?
I agree, Wilma...PatRoss has been given all the information needed to shut up and get busy...Looks like Frank's take on it is the truth...Alll these two are REALLY interested in is limelight. Period. Sad, really sad.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 07:46:12 AM
Have you gone to the proper authorities, yet? Mr. Ross, Mr. Wray, you have been given all kinds of places that you can contact to have this matter investigated. Why haven't you done the right thing?
We are doing the right thing we are bring awarness to the Elk County Citizens and taxpayers about Elk Konnected.
Especially about their obsession with giving orders and always trying to control, IMHO.
If you happen to believe some outside authority needs to be contacted I invite you to follow your own advice.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: Ross on June 18, 2011, 09:22:44 AM
Weare
I believe the word you're searching for so desperately is "we're".
You're welcome. :-)
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 08:30:59 AM
I agree, Wilma...PatRoss has been given all the information needed to shut up and get busy...Looks like Frank's take on it is the truth...Alll these two are REALLY interested in is limelight. Period. Sad, really sad.
Your attempt at distraction is failing miserably. You might ask Elk Konnected for better instructions on how to deflect or distract. What lime light are you talking about. I thought this is an open forum and everyone can have a say and an opinion. Or do you think you are in the limelight? If so, good for you. Enjoy your limelight to the fullest.
Sad, really sad that you get your limelight here.
Your so called information is available any time on the internet and we did not ask you for legal advice. If you think legal authorities need to be notified --- just do it.
In the mean time.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 09:20:23 AM
Cat, how are you today? Do you like this hot humidity?
This Cat is staying inside today, where there is air conditioning!!!!!!!! lol Hope your day is going as well, Wilma?
And Ross...Get a life!! My God...As much time as you spend on here, you must have absolutely nothing better to do with your time. Yes, we all see you. Yes, you're pretty. Now...Leave off.
And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy.
Have a wonderful weekend hopefully doing something else other than constantly repeating yourself...
Cat :D
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 09:37:51 AM
This Cat is staying inside today, where there is air conditioning!!!!!!!! lol Hope your day is going as well, Wilma?
And Ross...Get a life!! My God...As much time as you spend on here, you must have absolutely nothing better to do with your time. Yes, we all see you. Yes, you're pretty. Now...Leave off.
And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy.
Have a wonderful weekend hopefully doing something else other than constantly repeating yourself...
Cat :D
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 09:37:51 AM
Yes, you're pretty. Now...Leave off.
No, I ain't pretty and no, I ain't leaving off. I have every right to be here unless the owner says otherwise. I don't believe you are the owner.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 09:37:51 AM
And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy.
That sounds suspiciously like a threat. I guess I'm to stupid to let threats bother me. And I want you to know that is not a good christian thing to do. If what I say bothers you so much there are thousands of other topics on this forum or you have the opportunity to start another thread.
My life is my business and you have no idea what i have time for or don't have time for. May I suggest you focus on your own life. By the way does Elk Konnected control it for you? Did they tell you to tell me to go away?
Who is your Puppet Master? Just my opinions and questions.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 09:33:39 AM
I believe the word you're searching for so desperately is "we're".
You're welcome. :-)
I believe you are wrong, again.
I am no secretary so I made a typographical error.
But since you are so interested in correcting me , would you please go through the whole thread and find my spelling errors and typo's so I can fix them. Thank You.
The words were WE ARE.
Did Elk Konnected instruct you on this diversion as well?
I like diversions and distractions from Elk konnected they are fun.
Who is your Puppet Master?
The term refers to a constantly repeated act on the part of a special education student, such as constantly rocking...Or constantly biting the palm of the hand...Or incessant talking...It refers to the inability, at all, to control one's actions. Hmmmm. Wonder why the term "perseveration" would have been chosen...?? LOL You're a sharp one, Wilma!!
And Ross...If I had to go through and correct all of the mistakes you've made on all of these pages you've created, I'd be here until the end of next week doing it! lol You are welcome to your mistakes...And, why would I correct them for you? It is in your mistakes that people can judge your voracity...And yours leave a lot of room for thought...Or conjecture, as you would have it. ;)
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
Quote from Cat: "And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy."
Reply from Ross: "That sounds suspiciously like a threat....." not all of reply.
Just how does that sound like a threat? Advice , maybe, but not a threat.
And, Ross, you do spend an awful lot of time on this thread. A person would think that you don't have any more to do than what I have. Of course., I can always go out and coast down my ramp. Lots of fun. You all might want to try it sometime, not my ramp. Get one of your own.
Cat: Perseverating?
Quote from: Wilma link=topic=11780.msg165237# msg165237 date=1308413086
Quote from Cat: "And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy."
What is the meaning of not healthy? We know she is not my doctor or my mommy and that can then easily be conceived as a threat. After all I have been threatened I believe by Elk Konnected with a possible lawsuit. Let the good times roll, the threats do not bother me.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
And, Ross, you do spend an awful lot of time on this thread.
And that is none of your concern. I to have my disabilities. For your info I am not in a wheel chair, but I am having some trouble with one of my artificial knees and I am concerned that I might loose it. But that's okay. I do get my work done around here just fine just slower than I use to.
You Elk Konnected supporters seem to spend a lot of time worrying about what others do. Why would that be? What is Elk Konnected afraid of that they have to use threats and warnings?
When does Elk Konnected apologize for using Elk County resources and taking credit for the Elk Count Summer Day Camp?
Who is your Puppet Master?
I spend a lot of time worrying about others, you included, because I don't have anything else to do. Love it. So much fun.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 10:14:35 AM
The term refers to a constantly repeated act on the part of a special education student, such as constantly rocking...Or constantly biting the palm of the hand...Or incessant talking...It refers to the inability, at all, to control one's actions. Hmmmm. Wonder why the term "perseveration" would have been chosen...?? LOL You're a sharp one, Wilma!!
And Ross...If I had to go through and correct all of the mistakes you've made on all of these pages you've created, I'd be here until the end of next week doing it! lol You are welcome to your mistakes...And, why would I correct them for you? It is in your mistakes that people can judge your voracity...And yours leave a lot of room for thought...Or conjecture, as you would have it. ;)
Aparrently ---- oh heck I ain't wasting any more of my time with you.
Keep up the good work of Elk Konnected.
Have a great weekend.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 10:04:46 AM
Cat: Perseverating?
I just don't believe she is using the word properly. And all the while worrying about my typo's.
Merriam-Webster per·sev·er·a·tion
noun \pər-ˌse-və-ˈrā-shən\
: continuation of something (as repetition of a word) usually to an exceptional degree or beyond a
desired point — per·sev·er·ate \-ˈse-və-ˌrāt\intransitive verb
— per·sev·er·a·tive \-ˌrā-tiv\adjective
So actually if I have reached her desired point, she could just move on.
Ignorance is bliss.
Elk Konnected needs to do better. TTFN
Who steers the steering committee?
Who is your Puppet Master?
OMG, Ross... ::)...You just don't know when to quit, do you? YOU'VE JUST MADE MY POINT FOR ME! It is one thing to be thought stupid...It's another to open your mouth and prove the point.
You would have been smarter to have quit while you were ahead.
Reply # 1198 from Ross: "Aparrently.....oh heck I aint' wasting any more time with you."
Ross, is that a promise?
LOL...OMG...I wouldn't hold your breath, Wilma!
Quote from: Ross on June 18, 2011, 10:33:45 AM
Aparrently -
is spelled "appearantly"...
You're welcome. ;D
Ross, Aint it a cry'n damn shame that the "University of Khe Sahn" didn't spend more time teaching us how to spell better and use correct punctuation instead of those useless classes like HOW TO SURVIVE !!! ;D
It is just the anti-social attitude of Elk Konnected followers. It's what they are taught to do.
Forgive them for they know not what they do.
The boss says do it and they do it. Distract and misdirect.
They can't even tell who they are following because the puppet master stays hidden.
Let's ask them
Who is your Puppet Master?
They don't know.
I believe that Janet said that she might be.
And I am not a follower. I am not a member. I do not know who the members are that you are trying to get listed here and I don't care who they are.
No one, and I mean, no one, tells me what to post, when to post or to do anything else.
I am just heckling you because it is so much fun. Besides, before long this is going to be my thread instead of yours.
Antisocial Personality Disorder:
A condition characterized by repetitive behavioral patterns that are contrary to usual moral and ethical standards and cause a person to experience continuous conflict with society. Symptoms include aggression, callousness, impulsiveness, irresponsibility, hostility, a low frustration level, marked emotional immaturity, and poor judgment. A person who has this disorder overlooks the rights of others, is incapable of loyalty to others or to social values, is unable to experience guilt or to learn from past behaviors, is impervious to punishment, and tends to rationalize his or her behavior or to blame it on others. Also called antisocial reaction.
Ross, I think you've just diagnosed yourself... ;D...
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
I am just heckling you because it is so much fun.
Doesn't he give a fabulous reaction? LOL... ;D...I'll bet we can get this thread extended another 121 pages...What do you want to bet? ;D
QuoteNo one, and I mean, no one, tells me what to post, when to post or to do anything else.
OMG Wilma....are you related to Ross????? ??? lol
aside from the snide remarks to cease and desist, this thread is actually fun again.
<<<<<<<<making popcorn<<<<<<<<<<
LOL ;) ;D
Thank you, thank you, thank you. (Bows all around) (I might even take a curtain call or two.) FUN RULES!!!
I've had solicitation calls and cat calls, but never a curtain call....well congrats! Watch out for the ever manipulating man behind the curtain, though ( just keeping with the intention of the thread) ::)
Hey, hey, hey...Catcalls???? That's a hit below the belt, Ready!!! lol ;)
Hey, hey, hey...Catcalls? That's a hit below the belt, Ready!!! lol
MOVE YOUR BELT
Janet, Janet Janet...wow do you have big fonts! lol
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :o :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Okay. You keep asking "Who is your puppet master?" I am. I think I am. Maybe I am. I just don't know. Maybe I should go ask the Elk Konnected folks if they could do my thinking for me? Do you think they would?
What I really like about all this banter back and forth between everyone is this...It is keeping you off the streets at night and out of the bars. How about that?
ok Wilma, please go ahead and tell Ross what he needs to know. And good luck with driving Mr. Daisy and his thread! ;D
I am off to clean house, unless I can find an Elk Konnected member/volunteer to take credit for it! oh, crap....I did it again!
:-X
LOL ;D :o ;D
Janet: Choo-Choo-up the hill. You can do it! You can do it! (plus you have a gun) lmao
Go ahead (or "goat head" when I was in the lumber industry talking on the walkie talkies)
I think you can do it! (Not to be used at home) and no offense Janet.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 12:56:07 PM
No one, and I mean, no one, tells me what to post, when to post or to do anything else.
Wilma,
Would you please reaffirm the above just once more. It wasn't quite crystal clear to me.
Just concentrate on the swinging watch...Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Let nothing distract you. Empty your mind. Clear your thoughts.
You will not think for yourself.
You will accept only negative hypnotic subliminal suggestion from three males and one female.You will now be skeptical of everything you thought you knew about your friends and relatives. They will pretend to be your friends and then talk about what fools you are among themselves. They will try to embarrass you publicly. They are out to get you. They will knowingly make fools of you because only they know and speak the "truth." They will make you second guess every decision you will ever make again. They are loners and are not comfortable with anyone who is different from themselves.
You will now sleep until someone makes a positive encouraging comment about EK. or EK LLC. You will then awake refreshed and mad as can be.....and not know why. 8) ;D ;D ;D
LOL...Telling Wilma what to do??? lol...My...I feel somehow so refreshed...Hmmm...What a great nap! lol
Quote[They are loners and are not comfortable with anyone who is different from themselves.
/quote]
That actually applies to most of Elk/Greenwood/Chatauqua and SEK. (although, 95% of me is quite comfortable is who willing to discuss an issue without getting .....what's the term? ah.....biased.
Otherwise, thank you Dr. Diane.
now I am off to take a nap. Play nice folks!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 18, 2011, 01:53:08 PM
Just concentrate on the swinging watch...Back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. Let nothing distract you. Empty your mind. Clear your thoughts.
zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ
I am now a victim of my own pocket watch.... I must do what I tell myself. Drats!
Quote from: Patriot on June 18, 2011, 02:28:26 PM
zzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZ
I am now a victim of my own pocket watch.... I must do what I tell myself. Drats!
OH CHIT!!! I just had an Edgar Casey moment! Wow! I see what's coming. Not pretty, not pretty at all.
Catwoman: Could I inquire as to what age group of kids that you teach? ----Jennifer
I have taught all ages, including adult education, which is what I'm currently doing...What do you do?
Ronnie--I am going to personally apologize to you right now for this post. It seems as though the "spelling police" are either asleep or only single out a few people to humiliate when they correct their spelling on this forum. Maybe it's because I haven't been getting enough sleep or the fact that I tried to break my hand last night and it hurts, or even that I've been out walking 9+ miles in the heat and humidity today, BUT I like to think (and most people will agree with me) that I'm just a bitch!
Teresa--Could you get something done about adding a "spell check" to the forum since it's such a major problem?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 11:08:53 AM
is spelled "appearantly"...
You're welcome. ;D
is spelled APPARENTLY. Ross was pretty damn close I'd say! Now, YOU'RE welcome! ::)
I'm just a stupid ole mail carrier that got all A's throughout school in English, was champion of the spelling bee for 4 years in a row and majored in Journalism. I pity the kids that are taught by teachers with a God complex that they do no wrong but are in fact sometimes wrong. I wonder how many have gotten bad grades and were actually correct?
You are the first person to catch onto the intentionally mispelled word, Jennifer...Good for you. ;D At least you're awake...Gods...I was wondering when that piece of needling would bear fruit! lol
Actually Jarhead griped about it first! I was just the first one to actually correct you even though the spelling police have been on this thread since that post. I had to get home from work first...
No problem Cat, I knew some of them too.They were an embarsasement ...uh, enbarsessemant....no, that's not right. Let's try embarassement. Oh heck, embarrassment! ;)
Recently one of us used "goo" instead of the word intended and I'll admit I had a hard time not saying something, because I was laughing so hard ,especially since he had suggested a spelling challenge, but even I don't hassle everyone all the time. Some people just don't have a natural feel for spelling, especially in choosing the right vowel. Not everyone can hear the difference between i ,e and a when a word is pronounced.
By the way, Mrs.H,why put down being a mail carrier? It's a very responsible job that isn't nearly as easy as some people might think, plus needing to be honorable and completely trustworthy and aware of what is going on with the people on their route. People are more predictable than we think and it often the Mail Carrier that picks up a change in routine that when investigated may turn up a medical emergency. I personally know several who are heroes to me for helping people who were found fallen and / or sick from heart attacks and strokes. One in particular saw through the kitchen door, a dear old lady who was sitting on the floor with her head slumped over. Unfortunately she had died long enough before that there was nothing we could do, but if he hadn't seen her she might have been there much longer before she was found.
I didn't actually mean that I was stupid or that my job was stupid. I minored in Sarcasm and am very fluent in it! But you did describe me to a T---responsible, honorable, trustworthy and aware. That's me! That's why I fight for the things I fight and do the things I do because I'm a responsible parent, aware that this world is a big ole pain in the ass and I never back down when I believe in something strongly.
Now, I will turn it back to the subject at hand because I'm taking my mother to the American Cancer Society's Survivor Dinner tonight...So, Ross and Patriot, ya'll just keep trying to get answers while I'm gone this evening and I'll catch up when I get home!!--Jen
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 18, 2011, 03:42:38 PM
So, Ross and Patriot, ya'll just keep trying to get answers while I'm gone this evening and I'll catch up when I get home!!--Jen
But, but, but.... they told us we had our answers. Of course I'm still looking for the answer to a couple... er, a few... well, actually all of them.... including:
Why does EK, LLC need the county to apply for and receive Kansas Health Foundation grant money, only to have that money passed through to an EK 'sponsored' day camp for which public mention of the government contributions of time and effort (via taxpayers funding of county wages) had to be extracted at the last minute?
Can't they get their own grants?
If not,why not?
And has Ms. Brummel participated at the day camp during normal county business hours?
And if she was, who was paying her for that?
Was it paid through the grant funds received, or was the time paid by her regular government salary?
If it was the government salary, is EK going to reimburse the taxpayers from the $13,822 in grant monies that were at their disposal?
How much would that time be worth (including the employer share of payroll taxes and unemployment insurance)?
And how many hours of road grading would that buy?
Do day camp supervisors make as much as Economic Development Directors?
See, just as with government and private, this is why sole proprietorships are told to make clear distinctions between personal and business work and monies. Avoids a lot of questions... and we know how some people detest questions.
Keep reading, concerned citizens.
Good questions Patriot, and BTW, why are some of the kids sporting t-shirts with Elk Konnected Camp on them? Couldn't those funds have been put to better use in these difficult economic times?
Quote from: sixdogsmom on June 18, 2011, 04:37:22 PM
Good questions Patriot, and BTW, why are some of the kids sporting t-shirts with Elk Konnected Camp on them? Couldn't those funds have been put to better use in these difficult economic times?
Thank you, six. I've been told a local business has new silk screen equipment for making such things. Maybe they donated those to the kids. Surely they wouldn't expect payment out of grant monies for such things.
My mama always told me that there was no such thing as 'free'. Somebody pays for it somewhere and usually expect remuneration in some way.
Ross.... I have an idea for you. If you could put forth the effort and keep expressing your opinions in a pompous or dogmatic way (as you are doing with this thread), toward the problems we are having with the destruction and decay of America, you would probably have everyone on your side and doing this forum a great favor. You say you are retired, which gives you time to think, comment and try to solve the problems about:
-Overpopulation - too many people; no food, water, housing, etc.
-Pollution - environmental damages
-Global Warming - chlorofluorocarbons, etc.
-War - people killing each other for bad reasons
-Stupidity - general population becoming less concerned with education
-Obesity/Disease - people dying from poor decisions or bad luck
-Habitat Destruction - people destroy nature to make room for more people
-Species Extinction - above practices causing diversity of life to diminish
-Religion - People believe many conflicting ideas
-Poverty - People becoming poor through bad education, bad decisions, or bad luck
-Crime - Includes terrorism and white-collar crime
-Fossil Fuels - Wars are fought over politics, religion, and resources, and the current fought-over resource is oil.
-The Citizenry's Lack of Life Skills - I'm referring to critical thinking, financial planning, and general research
-Toleration of Inefficient and Inelegant Products - We need to raise awareness of unmodifiable products and encourage entrepreneurs (remember financial planning?) to create and market configurable and upgradable consumer goods.
-The Top Challenges Facing American Companies Today -
Hint:
These are about 3% of the problems facing us today. Why don't you... uh... give it a shot, Ross. Spend more time on seeing what you can do to solve these problems.
The impact in this country ought to begin at the local level. That's where Ross is needed so stay right in there, Ross.
Jennifer, I am surprised that you, a federal employee, are participating in this thread. When I was a federal employee, we were given a book, "Code of Conduct" and one thing that was pointed out to us at the time was that we were not to participate in any political activities. We were not being told what we could do or not do. The reason for this was the possibility of revenge on the employee's workplace or fellow employees if someone became irate because of something the employee had said or done.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 18, 2011, 05:09:43 PM
The impact in this country ought to begin at the local level. That's where Ross is needed so stay right in there, Ross.
Yeah.... and while he's doing such a great job in finding out who Elk Konn is, maybe ... just maybe... he could work on solving these other problems while he's ... uh... waiting. I mean, in the time it is taking him to find out who the Puppet Master is, we could be a third world country by the end of the week.... bread $10 a loaf, milk $15 a gal., Gas $19 bucks a gal. Come on, we need help here and he has the time to do it.
Warph, this kind of "EK" stuff is not limited to Elk County. This one fellow from Leoti is working in other places beyond
Elk County. No doubt there's more of 'em operating in Kansas, across the country and worldwide.
Yes sir, Ross is doing right.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Jennifer, I am surprised that you, a federal employee, are participating in this thread. When I was a federal employee, we were given a book, "Code of Conduct" and one thing that was pointed out to us at the time was that we were not to participate in any political activities. We were not being told what we could do or not do. The reason for this was the possibility of revenge on the employee's workplace or fellow employees if someone became irate because of something the employee had said or done.
Well that is just wrong. As a more recent federal employee it had nothing to do with anyone becoming irate, it had to do with being a representative of the federal government very little was allowed. Especially gifts or anything connected with contracts that may lead to conflict of interest. We were not permitted to campaign on the job, on our own time was another story.
Things have changed considerablly over the years. For a person 81 years old lady it may have been considerably different.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 18, 2011, 05:09:43 PM
The impact in this country ought to begin at the local level. That's where Ross is needed so stay right in there, Ross.
Thank you redcliffsw. Some people just don't understand that the problems of this country can't be taken care of on the national level if the local problems are not taken care of first.
That's right Ross. We are ENCOURAGED (at the PO anyway) to do whatever we want politically as long as it's in the Union's best interest, such as Gore, Kerry, Clinton and Obama. Our Postal Union did a LOT to make sure a demoRAT (and yes that's spelled correctly) was elected to the office of President of the United States. We are NOT supposed to do any campaigning on the clock, but any other time is our OWN time and we can do and say as we please. Also, Wilma, if anything I say on here offends someone so much that they feel the need to threaten, harrass, maim or kill me, then as an employee of the federal government, that becomes a federal offense (as long as I'm in uniform and on the clock). The United States Postal Inspection Service and the Federal Bureau of Investigation would take care of that case.
By the way, I've been on this forum for how long and have publicly stated who my employer is many times and have taken part in politicial discussions on this forum many, many times. So this feeble-minded attempt to use my employment to shut me up about this subject won't work.
What was it you said earlier? Oh yes, "No one, and I mean, no one, tells me what to post, when to post or to do anything else." I think that goes for anyone and everyone, including me, Varmit, Ronnie, Patriot and Ross, etc., etc., etc.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 18, 2011, 01:34:39 PM
Janet: Choo-Choo-up the hill. You can do it! You can do it! (plus you have a gun) lmao
Go ahead (or "goat head" when I was in the lumber industry talking on the walkie talkies)
I think you can do it! (Not to be used at home) and no offense Janet.
Now, ready, I never said I had a gun, did I? LOL And I liked the big fonts comment. That was funny. LOL
Jennifer, I didn't mean that you might be doing something wrong, but it did occur to me that you might be placing yourself in some danger. You know a lot of people and a lot of people know you and where you work. And there are a lot of kooks around. Just be careful. And, no, this is not a threat. It is just an admonishment for your own safety.
Why do you suppose so many people are not posting? When everything they say seems to make someone mad, it is just better to keep quiet.
Warph, I too have agreed with many, many of your posts & points. But you have now clearly demonstrated that the NIMBY factor is alive and well. NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) applied to local issues is the modern equivalent of stiffing one's head firmly in the sand. "They have problems, but we don't" is a fanciful escape from reaiity.
Only after being perfected at home do the processes of ignoring problems become workable at the regional and national levels. We can't ignore our local issues and have any hope of national change. It took a lot of local ignorance to put and keep all of the national idiots in power. Change, like charity, must begin at home.
So, how about those freely flowing local tax dollars? Isn't a local county debt of around $1 million a bit steep against revenues of about $2.5 million? And how about that maxed out local option school budget? Debt service eventually becomes a silent killer. Just like the national spending problems, local spending concerns surely aren't irrelevant.
Quote from: Ross on June 18, 2011, 05:46:24 AM
I don't believe anyone has mentioned any of these people in this thread except you. But while you are at it you missed Ms. Brummell. May I ask you? Is Ms. Brummell related to the Perkins. Is she related to the County Commissioner Hendricks??? I have heard she is and I am just curious how?
I only listed the county elected offices of which Ms. Brummell is not. However; I have never heard that she was related to any Perkins. Here is information on Ms. Brummell that I found when I did a Google search on her. This was printed in The Prairie Star on March 31, 2010.
Brummel is a native of Garnett where she graduated from high school before heading off to Independence Community College, then to Oklahoma Panhandle State University in Goodwell, Okla., where she earned a B.S. degree in agriculture economics and agronomy. She also earned her masters degree from West Texas A&M.
At ICC and Oklahoma Panhandle, she was actively involved in the Upward Bound program with students, and at West Texas A&M she ran a residence hall for students.
She previously was employed in the Kansas City area.
"I am so excited about living and working in Elk County," Brummel said. "I came from a small town so I have a good feel for it."
She is especially eager to work toward the wind farm which still is on the drawing board to be built west of Howard.
Brummel has enjoyed getting to know many people already, and especially enjoyed attending the table setting last weekend at Moline and the Elk Konnected update held last Tuesday in Howard.
Brummel can be contacted at 620 205-8514 or by email at <growingelkcounty@gmail.com>.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 18, 2011, 10:00:34 PM
I told her at the County Commissioners meeting I was proud of the job she is doing. She did acquire the grant for the County Government for the Summer Day Camp. Good job, right.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 08:55:29 PM
Why do you suppose so many people are not posting? When everything they say seems to make someone mad, it is just better to keep quiet.
Wrong.....
I would say that those who want the answers are being very well represented by Patriot and Ross... and those who are getting mad... are frustrated... that they don't know the answers...and can do nothing about it but continue to say " go find the answers".. Ask this one or that one or... call this number or that number..( because they really don't know either) I'm pretty sure that those involved in this organization are reading this thread..
And there are plenty reading this.. trust me on this one.. :)
If I had to make a valid guess... I would say that this thread has prompted quite a bit of public questions and conversations outside of this forum. I've had people stop me on the street talking about it.
The name calling is a bit..... uhmmmm....junior highish ( is that a word?) ..but overall.. I think it has brought a lot to the surface and piled on the table.
It has gotten back to me ( through that wonderful thing called the small town grapevine).. that a few of you are upset with me.. because I am not monitoring and censoring this thread..and I am "allowing" all these so called negative things being run through this website.
Yeahh~~~ I know.. It sucks to tell some people things about someone ...and then it gets back to that person doesn't it? ;) I won't name names.. but to those who are discontented with the way I run this *once wonderful .. now a horrible place" forum and thread .. I suggest that maybe you build your own website and then you can run it and censor and monitor it with a steel hand if you so wish.. :angel: Until then....
For the record........... I'm not for or against anyone involved in Elk Konnected. I have not become involved in it.. so I am guilty of not really paying much attention to what goes on within the legal structure of it..
But......I have to say........my curiosity is peaked....
I look at this as I did with Obama and his silence on his birth certificate and personal information. Silence from those directly involved is throwing up a lot of red flags to a lot of people who are reading this..
If someone who IS involved in the LLC would just come forward and answer the questions.. then it would all be put to rest................................It can't be that hard ... can it?
Teresa you are one gutsy lady. And I was unaware your mother was on this forum. In my opinion This county needs more people like the both of you.
I am just a redneck hick that has asked questions. And I am very aware I lack tact and diplomacy as I have explained on this forum. But I do recognize honesty, integrity and finesse and I see that in you and your mother.
I truely expect that should I get out of line, to be asked to leave this forum and would not hesitate to do so.
You have provided all of us with a terrific tool with which to communicate and I appreciate it. I am very sorry to hear that you are recieving a hard time related to this thread.
I sure hope people help you keep your wings intact for flying, because I don't want to see you flying on that broom.
Thank You for all that you do.
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 05:57:38 AM
Teresa you are one gutsy lady.
I quite agree. And what better Father's Day tribute to the founding fathers of this country than a public defense of the liberty to speak freely and participate in unfettered public debate! Thank you, Teresa. Despite the appearance that you and Jo may disagree on the issue of this thread, you are a credit to her and clearly reflect the rugged individualism I'm sure she instilled in you during your youth. Thanks to her, as well.
Did you ever hear anyone say, "That work had better be banned because I might read it and it might be very damaging to me?" ~Joseph Henry Jackson
We are not afraid to entrust the American people with unpleasant facts, foreign ideas, alien philosophies, and competitive values. For a nation that is afraid to let its people judge the truth and falsehood in an open market is a nation that is afraid of its people. ~John F. Kennedy
Now, about those other 'facilitated', Delphi-style 'forums'....
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 18, 2011, 01:29:43 PM
Okay. You keep asking "Who is your puppet master?" I am. I think I am. Maybe I am. I just don't know. Maybe I should go ask the Elk Konnected folks if they could do my thinking for me? Do you think they would?
What I really like about all this banter back and forth between everyone is this...It is keeping you off the streets at night and out of the bars. How about that?
LOL not around here, when lila's closes they load up the beer and haul it home....After drinkinig the afternoon away
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Jennifer, I am surprised that you, a federal employee, are participating in this thread. When I was a federal employee, we were given a book, "Code of Conduct" and one thing that was pointed out to us at the time was that we were not to participate in any political activities. We were not being told what we could do or not do. The reason for this was the possibility of revenge on the employee's workplace or fellow employees if someone became irate because of something the employee had said or done.
this wouldn't be considered a political activity. :) Political activity would be going to rally's and such. Secondly they can't preventyou from participating in any activity. Thats not their place and the Constitution says so. read 1st amendment. Right to gather via peaceful assembly.......
A rally isn't always a peaceful place, now is it? Better to keep a low profile and your name out of the limelight.
Good morning, Ross. How is the knee today? I find it is better to not aggravate a condition then to try to cope with the pain later.
I hope all of you have read Teresa's post. Of course she is right, but I still think that there is a better way of finding out if there is anything not quite right with what our elected officials are doing. This way might be bringing out a lot of things, but it is also creating a bad image of Elk County. Teresa says that there are plenty of people reading this thread and she would know, but are they reading it for the right reasons? Are they really interested in Elk County business or are they just on-lookers enjoying the brattish comments that are being made? Are they going to help us out of this morass or are they just hanging on for the hateful comments and derogatory dialogue?
If I were a county commissioner whose ethics and morals are being questioned, I would contact the proper authorities myself and ask for an investigation and ruling on the actions of the officials involved. I hate it that names of people that could be entirely innocent are being bandied around in never, never land for anyone to read and form opinions that could be entirely wrong. I seem to be thinking in entirely terms this morning. Never mind, I have sprayed weeds and grass (including the spots of Johnson grass in the ditch), this morning, then ran the vacuumn over all the carpet. I am ready for a sit-down and possible nap. Old ladies can do that anytime they want, you know.
Quote from: Wilma on June 19, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
Good morning, Ross. How is the knee today? I find it is better to not aggravate a condition then to try to cope with the pain later.
The knee isn't bothering me at the moment. Still has fluid on it. I hope to get it checked this next week. There are medical financial complications that are a mess. The knees are covered, anyway it's a weird situation. I will get it straightened out. My local doctor says it needs tending but it's not urgent, yet.
Did you get any of that rain last night? I got about three rain drops dang nab it. The flost in my rain guage didn't even move.
A few quotes about leadership.
"There is no terror, Cassius, in your threats; For I am armed so strong in honesty That they pass by me as the idle wind"
William Shakespeare
"Somewhere, something incredible happened in history – the wrong guys won."
- Norman Mailer
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
- Elanor Roosevelt
"The goal of many leaders is to get people to think more highly of the leader. The goal of a great leader is to help people to think more highly of themselves." ~ J. Carla Nortcutt
"Being a leader who serves is very different from being a servant leader." ~ Isabel O. Lopez
"Use power to help people. For we are given power not to advance our own purposes nor to make a great show in the world, not a name. There is but one just use of power and it is to serve people." ~ US President George Bush This is the one I believe apply's to our county government, that is it's purpose.
This arose as a quotation by John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902). The historian and moralist, who was otherwise known simply as Lord Acton, expressed this opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:
"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
We sometimes allow our position to go to our heads, I experienced this myself when in the service. I got straightened out real fast by a guy that made three of me.
I see this kind of control in always saying be positive. Which means to me, we don't actually want you to speak your mind.
Just sit in your circle of chairs and only speak of what we tell you to And above all don't tell me my ideas are not good.
Quote from: Wilma on June 19, 2011, 10:03:51 AM
I hope all of you have read Teresa's post. Of course she is right, but I still think that there is a better way of finding out if there is anything not quite right with what our elected officials are doing. This way might be bringing out a lot of things, but it is also creating a bad image of Elk County.
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You know Wilma, i think you may be wrong on this. Bad image? I Personally do NOT consider taxpaying citizens standing up in a public forum asking these questions a bad image.... IN FACT it shows that folks here give a rats fanny about what their government is doing. IT shows that WE The people are EVER VIGILANT Jefferson said, the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.
IF WE THE PEOPLE do not bring to light ALL Actions of Government and the employees of that government then WE THE PEOPLE will end up licking the boots of the masters. Samuel Adams said....
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom — go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!
QuoteTeresa says that there are plenty of people reading this thread and she would know, but are they reading it for the right reasons? Are they really interested in Elk County business or are they just on-lookers enjoying the brattish comments that are being made? Are they going to help us out of this morass or are they just hanging on for the hateful comments and derogatory dialogue?
I suggest that all the brattish comments stop. The questions are valid. The tit for tat comments aren't.
QuoteIf I were a county commissioner whose ethics and morals are being questioned, I would contact the proper authorities myself and ask for an investigation and ruling on the actions of the officials involved. I hate it that names of people that could be entirely innocent are being bandied around in never, never land for anyone to read and form opinions that could be entirely wrong. I seem to be thinking in entirely terms this morning. Never mind, I have sprayed weeds and grass (including the spots of Johnson grass in the ditch), this morning, then ran the vacuumn over all the carpet. I am ready for a sit-down and possible nap. Old ladies can do that anytime they want, you know.
You know so would I. IF MY NAME were in question and i knew it, then i would welcome an investigation. BUT I Would NOT avoid the questions in the first place. I would answer them both on the forum and even call a public meeting in the courthouse for all to see and comment. That is what honest and ethical people do.
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 10:30:32 AM
"The goal of many leaders is to get people to think more highly of the leader. The goal of a great leader is to help people to think more highly of themselves." ~ J. Carla Nortcutt
"Being a leader who serves is very different from being a servant leader." ~ Isabel O. Lopez
I Love these quotes!
Another One i tell all the time is that Christ came to serve not to rule over us. :) HE also by his actions of washing the disciples feet proved he was here to serve.
QuoteThis way might be bringing out a lot of things, but it is also creating a bad image of Elk County.
I am not from Elk County, and I do not think there is a bad image. It is no different then the Pocohantas Thread, of which had an outcome.
I see this thread as questions being raised...not guilt. Questions that have to do with your County, and as taxpaying citizens I quite frankly hope that some questions ARE answered, either to the surprise/dissapointment or acceptance by all or none.
I would like to think that anyone not from this county that are reading this particular thread would have the commen sense to realize that it is just what it is: An open furm for discussion.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 19, 2011, 11:12:31 AM
I am not from Elk County, and I do not think there is a bad image. It is no different then the Pocohantas Thread, of which had an outcome.
I see this thread as questions being raised...not guilt. Questions that have to do with your County, and as taxpaying citizens I quite frankly hope that some questions ARE answered, either to the surprise/dissapointment or acceptance by all or none.
I would like to think that anyone not from this county that are reading this particular thread would have the commen sense to realize that it is just what it is: An open furm for discussion.
ready
I've lived in enough small towns to know that the old school thinking of keeping dirty laundry private is the wrong way to go. It allows for the good ole boy system to keep going. IF you bring up anything that is in any way questionable into a public view as Patriot said a little light is a good thing in a world of darkness.
Wilma--A public forum is NOT always a peaceful place on Politics. It's better to shut your mouth if you have nothing to say rather to run other people into the ground and make it seem like you are the victim. Now that ain't gonna happen, is it? It may be just me, but your little innuendos along with Janet's innuendos could be construed as threatening. I mean, God hopes Ross' knee doesn't get any worse if he was to have a bad accident. Or some kook could hunt someone down because of your name on the forum and knowing that you work for the post office or some kook knowing that you live behind the county shop at Howard. And just who in the hell, Janet, in this county or as a matter of fact anywhere in the midwest excluding a few of your friends don't believe in the 2nd Amendment? I know that you spend most of your week in Independence before coming back to Howard, and after reading the shit that you put on this forum, and I do mean shit, it's easy to understand why you were voted out. If you were a fine outstanding person and actually did as good of a job as ex-sheriff, I suppose you would still be in office.
I'm glad that you both agree that this whole thing does need to be investigated and NOT by Elk County flunkies. I do like the politics that go on in this county, the only time that anybody gives a shit about the Elk County citizens is during election times. Otherwise it's "Screw 'em. They get what we give 'em!"
These are my words and only my words.---Mr. Kshillbilly
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 19, 2011, 11:12:31 AM
I am not from Elk County, and I do not think there is a bad image. It is no different then the Pocohantas Thread, of which had an outcome.
I see this thread as questions being raised...not guilt. Questions that have to do with your County, and as taxpaying citizens I quite frankly hope that some questions ARE answered, either to the surprise/dissapointment or acceptance by all or none.
I would like to think that anyone not from this county that are reading this particular thread would have the commen sense to realize that it is just what it is: An open furm for discussion.
ready
Good point, all, ready. Ultimately, knowledge is power. The people deserve the power in our society, therefore they need information. Without open discussion and sharing of information, the people remain powerless. Stay connected, citizens.
Speaking of information, I keep reading and hearing about requests for and distributions of monies by and to Elk Konnected (and groups affiliated with or closely associated with EK steering committee members).... grant monies (government and private) as well as taxpayer monies from both city and county coffers. Can EK and its' admirable projects and ambitious agenda not be better funded by direct donations from willing citizens? I've never received on call or letter asking for a donation to their projects.
Is the lure of grants and taxpayer funds too easy? Or are private citizens unwilling to voluntarily donate?
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 19, 2011, 11:29:24 AM
...And just who in the hell, Janet, in this county or as a matter of fact anywhere in the midwest excluding a few of your friends don't believe in the 2nd Amendment?...
Or, for that matter, how in the hell does anyone's position on the 2nd Amendment have anything to do with the question: Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected, LLC?
Stay connected, citizens... it's the REAL thing (to coin a phrase).
I believe it had to do with yesterday's comments.
ready
QuoteI believe it had to do with yesterday's comments.
Which, in fact had nothing to do with who are the members..etc.
ok, now ready ;)
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Why are the fonts so big? Are you shouting without capital letters? ::)
It's a small town, and goverment as we used to know it was a 'trust' issue.
Is this a 'trust' issue about Elk County or just 'your' trust issue?
That being said, it doesn't matter who these people are, as about what are they doing.
And, if they aren't doing anything illegal, unethical, 'dirty politics', then so be it.
If anyone can prove that they are unethical, please, PLEASE come forward and state your proof.
Otherwise, this is a thread that has gone wild...and a thread that brings up a lot of good questions/statement/opinions.
Ergo: opinions.
ready & possibly wild
Ross, I got about half an inch of rain last night along with wind and hail. I already had two inches in the guage from the previous rains last week. I know what you mean about the float didn't move. Frustrating. isn't it.
Mr. Hillbilly: Janet lost her last election because with her father fighting for his life and her duties as sheriff, she didn't have time to campaign as did her deputy who had filed without even telling her that he was going to. Her father died two months before the election. The irony of this deputy filing for sheriff was that she had gone out of her way to bring him back to Elk County. He had been working as police chief in Cedar Vale, I think it was and having to live there while his family was living in Longton. By hiring him as a deputy, he was able to move back to Elk County and live with his family. He wasn't the only Elk County man that she brought back to Elk County to work. Lynn Wells was working in Sedan when she offered him a job as deputy and enabled him to move back to Howard. Janet has never wanted anything but the best for Elk County. She is working in another county now because the jobs in Elk County don't pay enough. Isn't that why your wife works in another county?
Was that enthical or just improper? we are not all above eithics,that I am sure of. And this thread, the Elk Konected is just a tip of an iceberg to the county.
Please continue...and please differentiate between ethical, illegal and improper. What started out as a questionable thread may have turned out to be just plain unethical and improper.
Can anyone help to differentiate?
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 19, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
Was that enthical or just improper? we are not all above eithics,that I am sure of. And this thread, the Elk Konected is just a tip of an iceberg to the county.
Please continue...and please differentiate between ethical, illegal and improper. What started out as a questionable thread may have turned out to be just plain unethical and improper.
Can anyone help to differentiate?
ready
Ethical means right behavior. It might not be illegal but is it right. ILLEGAL means violation of the law. This can be Right or wrong actions that do this. You can be illegal if your intentions and actions are of good character and morality.
Improper would be alone the lines of ethical.
IF your saying something OUGHT to be or Should be, then it falls into the ethical and proper/improper usage. IF you know something that is Ethcial and Proper to do but it violates the law and you do it, then its ILLEGAL.
BUT
Unethical and Improper can be LEGAL just the same. IF it doesn't violate the law.
eth·i·cal /ˈɛθɪkəl/ Show Spelled
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–adjective
1. pertaining to or dealing with morals or the principles of morality; pertaining to right and wrong in conduct.
il·le·gal /ɪˈligəl/ Show Spelled
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–adjective
1. forbidden by law or statute.
2. contrary to or forbidden by official rules, regulations, etc.: The referee ruled that it was an illegal forward pass.
im·prop·er /ɪmˈprɒpər/ Show Spelled
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–adjective
1. not proper; not strictly belonging, applicable, correct, etc.; erroneous: He drew improper conclusions from the scant evidence.
2. not in accordance with propriety of behavior, manners, etc.: improper conduct at a funeral.
3. unsuitable or inappropriate, as for the purpose or occasion: improper attire for a formal dance.
Conclusion...Unethical or improper, possibly...Illegal, no.
Since we're currently busy reading irrelevant ramblings from Webster's....
We interrupt your regularly scheduled and relevant discussions to bring you this mostly unimportant message:
Who is the person called Patriot on the Elk County Forum?
For those of you who understand the importance of the message over the messenger, I'll apologize in advance should you find your time wasted in reading this post. Please pass by & ignore it if you wish.
For those who missed William Shakespeare's simple lesson about what's in a name, thank you for wasting your time reading this information as it in no way effects the content of my other posts.
For my esteemed military colleagues, I apologize for posting some service history. As we know, for us, that and a buck buys a cup of coffee. Your accomplishments & service surely exceed mine.
I'm sure some of the rest you feel entitled to this information based on your demonstrated elitist, holier than thou mindsets, and I hope that some of your prurient interests will be satisfied, and I hope you figuratively choke on it. Quick, call your friends and give them the link to this post.
Who am I? I'm about to tell you. But, first, this disclaimer: Know that I still maintain (with firm legal foundation, I've discovered) that all of my personally identifying data is private & legally protected unless self-released, self-published or a matter of public record. I have not released personally identifying data, nor have I given anyone else permission to do so. I hold to the belief that all such information is unrelated to anything posted on this forum and that such information is protected under state, federal and international case law... let those here who have already violated, or attempted to violate that protection, take note. The actual pages proving your actions have been well archived. You might consider removing any remaining such posts & refrain from future similar actions to preclude something my attorney called "a pervasive pattern of malicious intent". Some here know me personally and I thank you for your continued respect of my privacy. Your ethics are a credit to yourself and your community.
Now, as to some background that may help readers assess the reliability of this poster, I provide the following. While not resoundingly spectacular, my background has been rewarding. Here's an overview...
I'm a native born Kansan. My father was born in Kansas, my mother in Oklahoma. I'm married. I have two adult children and one grandchild. I currently live in Elk County. I both vote and pay taxes here.
I rarely drink alcohol, do not use illicit drugs and have no communicable diseases. I have no arrest record and no criminal background. My IQ on the Stanford Binet (prior to SB5) averages 130, for whatever that's worth (not much in my book). I'm not wealthy, but live comfortably. I'm a political independent who holds to a fairly strict constructionist (meaning a close or narrow reading and interpretation of a statute or written document) view of the Constitution. I have no political office aspirations or desire for work in public service. I'm by no means a perfect human being, but I am a professing Christian of protestant upbringing with no current denominational affiliation, though I did teach adult Sunday school classes in the Methodist church many years ago. I began working away from home at the age of 15.
I've held a Kansas life insurance license, and have some experience as a professional painter. I've had formal college training in computer science, have considerable experience with small computer hardware (in sales, service & application). I have considerable experience in relational database management systems & networking of personal computers, sufficient to have been previously retained by Pizza Hut Corporation world headquarters to make & implement modifications to their worldwide retail sales data collection, currency conversion and consolidation database management programs before Pizza Hut was absorbed by PepsiCo. I also have experience & formal training in sales & sales management.
I served for 10 years in the US Air Force as a security and law enforcement specialist, with advanced work in air base defense planning, quality control and standardization as well as operational readiness evaluation. During my Air Force tenure, I received the Meritorious Service Award and 2 Oak Leaf clusters and the Air Force Distinguished Service Medal. I graduated with honors from the Strategic Air Command Air Force Leadership & Management Center and was recognized as the Outstanding Security Specialist non-commissioned officer for the United States Air Forces in Europe. My performance ratings included positive recognitions & advancement recommendations as evidenced by multiple General Officer endorsements up to the Department of the Air Force command level. I also hold several expert marksmanship awards with varying weapons.
I've been self employed for almost 30 years. My first substantial corporate undertaking was as a wholesale distributor of C-Band satellite TV equipment to retailers in Kansas, Oklahoma, Missouri and Nebraska. Much fun until Al Gore sponsored federal legislation that killed that industry in favor of his cronies in the cable TV industry... Side note: Charlie Ergen, founder & former CEO of Dish Networks was one of the few survivors.
I was a Kansas licensed private detective for 10+ years specializing in worker compensation fraud, insurance fraud, theft and other criminal investigations for private businesses, major insurance carriers and government entities. I know a little something about fraud, perpetrators of fraud & fraudulent operations. I also provided electronic debugging services and the occasional cheating spouse investigation as well as significant amounts of legal process service. As one of the the owners of a state licensed agency, I employed as many as five other licensed investigators, seven court authorized process servers and a half a dozen administrative personnel. I know a little something about scheduling, prioritization, personnel management & making a payroll.
My past business references include (in no particular order and not limited to) numerous law firms, FerrelGas, Hartford Insurance, Allstate Insurance, The Kansas Restaurant and Hospitality Association, the City of Wichita, The Kansas KETCH Foundation, Catholic Charities, Raytheon Aircraft, Cessna Aircraft, Caterpillar Corporation, Key Construction Company, Jones Storage and Moving Inc., Vornado Air, Farmers Insurance, Dondlinger and Sons Construction, Bank Four, Intrust Bank, Emprise Bank, American Cinemas, The Newton Medical Center, and through their attorneys Rubbermaid Incorporated. The names of any current clients are withheld as a matter of proprietary information... sorry for any inconvenience.
I now own interests in two businesses. In addition to the core work of pre-employment background services, one of them operates a nationally franchised service business screening civil, criminal & credit histories of prospective tenants for landlords. Been doing this for over 15 years. The other operation is a small agribusiness.
No, I'm not applying for a job, nor will I engage in any further public discussions about the foregoing information. If you have questions, feel free to ask me privately.
The foregoing is, of course, not exhaustive, but other than my race, eye, and hair color (which, if asked for, might indicate racist proclivities on your part), there should be enough there to help assuage any concerns that I'm truly the antichrist or harbor anything other than a concerned citizen's interest in local political conditions. I hope this helps those of you poor depraved souls who are in need of such irrelevant information to somehow satisfy your unnatural interests in the private affairs of others. Paul warned well of your kind. I believe he called them backbiters and gossips.
How about some relevant insights? I believe in the rights of individuals to govern themselves, relying on our constitution as a base. That means a representative republic where elected officials are generally accountable to the citizens they are chosen to represent. This state and this county are well patterned after that process, at least on paper. The responsibility associated with being a government official is a sacred public trust and is reflected in how professionally they do their job, including their unbiased decisions and use of taxpayer resources as well as their ability to separate their personal interests from their public duties. Too damned many people have served and given their lives in the last 200 years to just toss the rights and reasonable expectations of our citizens out the door.
As for this thread, I have come to believe there is something rotten in our local wood pile. There has been for some time. Undue influence of the few over the best interests of the many. I was warned of this soon after we located to Elk County several years ago. I'm discovering that many others have been likewise warned. Apparently this has been the case for years. The 'good ole boys' factor doesn't even begin to cover it. The putrefaction in our midst has become intolerable as Roberts Rules of Order and parliamentary procedure involving well announced open public hearings to debate public policy have been effectively thrown out the window in favor of the consensus management (by hired professionals) of vulnerable, uninformed citizens, using well adapted, professionally implemented group control techniques. I opine that such crony capitalism & public manipulation has become the rule rather than the exception.
Such 'alternatives' to elected representation & public debate become abrasive to the spirit of liberty when government officials abandoned their responsibilities of above board constituent representation by turning those responsibilities over to an elite group of unelected cronies, giving heed to their desires and openly rewarding them with taxpayer monies and the use of other taxpayer/voter resources. Even to the point of making a local government employee's primary function that of a fundraiser and a government paid lackey for the same elite, non-elected group and elected officials who trumpet that group. The influenced votes of figureheads are not necessarily representative of the public's wishes.
This county is at best stagnant, and at worst dying. Limited local employment, a shrinking population and the generous number of for sale signs give light to that truth. This due, in my opinion, largely to the mismanagement of a few who quietly use government power to enhance their personal station and that of their families and close friends. And that shouldn't be. The people in this county may be blinded, but they aren't stupid. Keep them uninformed, distract & dictate to them, make them think their input matters and they are kept numb and easily controlled. Give them the chance, and they will see foolishness for what it is. Ask the questions, and the citizens at large will produce the right answers. Let them be clearly heard, and our community can improve. Not through centralized control and extra-government direction, but through the open, non-facilitated expressions of their needs, ideas, dreams & skills. Elk county, in some regards, is no different than our entire country at this point... government needs to be open, honest, responsive not directive, and needs get the hell out of the way of the people.
Many posters on this thread, through their words, have clearly demonstrated the antithesis of what liberty is all about. They have (knowingly, unknowingly, coached or otherwise) associated themselves with the questionable actions of others by responding to openly submitted yet clear questions of fact with blind defenses, distractions, deflections, personal attacks and demands of silence. Yet those poster's involvement was something they could have avoided or modified. No such responses were required of them. They freely chose to engage in the discussion and try to stifle debate rather than stimulate & further it. Sad, really sad.
There, you have it....
We now return to our regularly scheduled, and much more important, discussions.
And the questions remain.... one would be:
How much influence does Elk Konnected, LLC, directly and indirectly, exert over county government decisions or employee actions?
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 19, 2011, 11:29:24 AM
Wilma--A public forum is NOT always a peaceful place on Politics. It's better to shut your mouth if you have nothing to say rather to run other people into the ground and make it seem like you are the victim. Now that ain't gonna happen, is it? It may be just me, but your little innuendos along with Janet's innuendos could be construed as threatening. I mean, God hopes Ross' knee doesn't get any worse if he was to have a bad accident. Or some kook could hunt someone down because of your name on the forum and knowing that you work for the post office or some kook knowing that you live behind the county shop at Howard. And just who in the hell, Janet, in this county or as a matter of fact anywhere in the midwest excluding a few of your friends don't believe in the 2nd Amendment? I know that you spend most of your week in Independence before coming back to Howard, and after reading the shit that you put on this forum, and I do mean shit, it's easy to understand why you were voted out. If you were a fine outstanding person and actually did as good of a job as ex-sheriff, I suppose you would still be in office.
I'm glad that you both agree that this whole thing does need to be investigated and NOT by Elk County flunkies. I do like the politics that go on in this county, the only time that anybody gives a shit about the Elk County citizens is during election times. Otherwise it's "Screw 'em. They get what we give 'em!"
These are my words and only my words.---Mr. Kshillbilly
Never argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
So Patriot, just what are you trying to say?..........LOL ;D
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 19, 2011, 11:29:24 AM
And just who in the hell, Janet, in this county or as a matter of fact anywhere in the midwest excluding a few of your friends don't believe in the 2nd Amendment? I know that you spend most of your week in Independence before coming back to Howard
Mr. Walker,
All my friends, and I mean all, believe in the 2nd amendment and believe in the right to have a concealed carry permit. And as for spending most of my week in Independence to work, how is that your business? How are you so knowledgeable about what I do and don't do? As for losing the election, I did. Do you see me saying anything on this forum about that? That was 6 years ago. I got over that many moons ago. Why can't you?
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 19, 2011, 05:43:51 PM
So Patriot, just what are you trying to say?..........LOL ;D
Uh... the earth isn't flat and there are more important things in life than lollipops n liberals! ;D
Quote from: Patriot on June 19, 2011, 05:49:40 PM
Uh... the earth isn't flat and there are more important things in life than lollipops n liberals! ;D
oh, ok, I get it now!!
Actually Janet, the 2nd amendment says nothing about permitting. It says BEAR arms (which means to carry, concealed or openly, to possess on ones person) SHALL NOT be infringed. That LITERALLY MEANS they cannot require any law that interferes with Keeping and bearing arms.
Quote from: Patriot on June 19, 2011, 05:49:40 PM
Uh... the earth isn't flat and there are more important things in life than lollipops n liberals! ;D
You know i was about to bust a gut laughing when Wilma suggested that you hire a Private Investigator. :D....
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 19, 2011, 11:29:24 AM
Now that ain't gonna happen, is it? It may be just me, but your little innuendos along with Janet's innuendos could be construed as threatening. I mean, God hopes Ross' knee doesn't get any worse if he was to have a bad accident. Or some kook could hunt someone down because of your name on the forum and knowing that you work for the post office or some kook knowing that you live behind the county shop at Howard.
These are my words and only my words.---Mr. Kshillbilly
Robert, How do you get any threats out of my mother asking Ross how his knee is today? My mother sufferers greatly with pain and all she said was that she has found it is better to not aggravate the condition. This she knows from experience. How is that a threat? You would be better ahead to not read things into what is written in this forum.
As for what I said about the 2nd amendment, etc., was to let everyone know that I believe in these things. Don't read stuff into what I write. I have no hidden agendas, nothing like that.
I have never written anything bad about you or Jennifer nor have I written anything bad about the Elk County Sheriff or Elk County government. I have never criticized you or your relative that works for the sheriff here. It is really hard for me to understand how you can say what you did. When I was trying to help with ideas on the thing in Longton about the teacher, I was just a fine and dandy person then, wasn't I? I never did berate anyone over that or put anyone down for what they were doing. Why are you being so hateful towards me now?
Quote from: Ross on June 18, 2011, 05:46:24 AM
If you really don't care why the diatribe?
Mr. Ross, You picked apart what I said to ask me if I
really don't care why the diatribe? What I really don't care about is the identity of you or the identity of Mr. Patriot. You guys are so funny. However, I do have a serious question that I will post soon.
Quote from: the shadow on June 17, 2011, 08:45:48 PM
I have been doing a little research on my good friend, Attorney General Derek Schmidt's website about conflicts of interest and ethics for local government. I didn't have to look too hard considering this was the first question answered in his frequently asked questions area about Local Government. I wonder if either of the commissioners that stand to gain money from this windfarm filed a substantial interest report with County Clerk Kaminska prior to voting on that windfarm?
Shadow, I have been pondering all weekend about the question on whether any of the commissioners that stand to gain money from this windfarm filed a substantial interest report with the county clerk? Is substantial interest report called exactly that? I do believe that this is something that needs to be asked. I am going to make a promise here. I am going to write to the County Clerk and ask her, for the interest of the public, if she has a document like that on file or even if she knows what it is? I am going to send a copy of my letter on to the Attorney General with an exclamation to him about what is going on.
This is not just for Shadow. I telling you all that I am writing to the attorney general with these concerns and I wish you would do the same. I hate the idea that we keep bantering back and forth, back and forth, but I can see that no one wants to take that huge step and contact the AG's office.
And, Robert, an answer to what you wrote...
I'm glad that you both agree that this whole thing does need to be investigated and NOT by Elk County flunkies. I have never once called the Elk County Sheriff's Office flunkies. You did. However; I know that this type of an investigation is not a criminal action, so it is beyond the scope of what the sheriff's office can do. That is why we have an attorney general's office. Enough said.
I will take action. What will you people do?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 19, 2011, 06:00:27 PM
Actually Janet, the 2nd amendment says nothing about permitting. It says BEAR arms (which means to carry, concealed or openly, to possess on ones person) SHALL NOT be infringed. That LITERALLY MEANS they cannot require any law that interferes with Keeping and bearing arms.
Steve, I know what the 2nd amendment say. Where did I use the word permit in reference to the 2nd amendment? Please point it out to me because if I wrote that I want to know where.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 05:48:20 PM
Mr. Walker,
All my friends, and I mean all, believe in the 2nd amendment and believe in the right to have a concealed carry permit. And as for spending most of my week in Independence to work, how is that your business? How are you so knowledgeable about what I do and don't do? As for losing the election, I did. Do you see me saying anything on this forum about that? That was 6 years ago. I go over that many moons ago. Why can't you?
So why is any of that on this link? Personal affairs should be left personal unless released by that person. And really this thread has nothing to do with the second admendment. So back to the subject. What's happening in our County? Why do a few people get so upset over a few questions about Elk Konnected? Is there something to hide?
So, if you write the Attorney General does that some how indicate that we may no longer express our concerns on this forum? I don't think so. If you don't like the banter back and forth why keep coming here? Even the Federal cops have no control over free speech on the internet.
You know, Patrick claims that Elk Konnected was not involved with the school closures, and on a previous post I mentioned that the same people were involved in that as were involved with Elk Konnected. In fact it was Dave Whetstone, Kate Perkins, Corey Reese, and others who went from town to town holding 'informational' meetings. I attended two of these; one that was led by Dave Whetstone. He showed us a board covered with yellow post it notes that were supposedly the results of a community consensus gathered at an Elk Konnected round table meeting a few months prior. It was claimed that these papers showed that it was a consensus of that meeting that both Moline and Severy schools be closed and a new school be built in Howard. At another meeting that was led by Corey Reese, he claimed that it was a done deal that Moline and Severy schools would be closed, when in fact the school board had NOT YET VOTED to close them. His very words were, 'It's a done deal"! These are the very same words he used to a channel 12 reporter when there was coverage done on the bond election, although he declined to appear on camera. Soon after these instances, Corey Reese appeared on the front page of The Prarie Star as a member of Elk Konnected. School employees were used to promote the bond issue, and many did, knowing that there was soon to be a large reduction in the West Elk work staff, and not wanting to lose out. Folks did not want to lose their jobs, and many were coerced according to a friend who worked for the school district at that time. She said that people were afraid to openly oppose the new school effort as they did not want to endanger their jobs. But people did in fact respond in the voting booth, and it is just too bad that is had to cost the people of Elk County for a special bond election. Maybe it was a good thing too; folks are paying more attention these days.
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
Even the Federal cops have no control over free speech on the internet.
Really...So the lawsuits concerning child predation on the internet and the laws covering cyber bullying are just a figment of everyone's imagination...LOL.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 06:06:16 PM
Robert, How do you get any threats out of my mother asking Ross how his knee is today? My mother sufferers greatly with pain and all she said was that she has found it is better to not aggravate the condition. This she knows from experience. How is that a threat? You would be better ahead to not read things into what is written in this forum.
I am not offended by Wilma in the least.
However the grouping of some sentences can lead to assumptions. So perhaps a litlle caution in that area, grouping of sentences that is, might be considered. I know I have made mis-statements in the past and I am sure I'll do it again. But I shall try not to.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 19, 2011, 06:44:00 PM
Really...So the lawsuits concerning child predation on the internet and the laws covering cyber bullying are just a figment of everyone's imagination...LOL.
I was referring to decent people, not extremists and criminals. Duh!
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 06:11:07 PM
Mr. Ross, You picked apart what I said to ask me if I really don't care why the diatribe? What I really don't care about is the identity of you or the identity of Mr. Patriot. You guys are so funny. However, I do have a serious question that I will post soon.
Okay, here is the whole post you put up. The question is at the bottom. I did not mean to offend just to abreviate.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 06:11:07 PMHere. Let me give you some information. If you think there is something that is being done illegally, that is unethical, whatever, and it involves the county commissioners, the county sheriff, the county clerk, the county treasurer, the county register of deeds, or the county attorney, the why don't you use the toll free number to Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt's office and lodge a complaint? Verbally or in writing, I really don't care. Tell the AG that this county needs to be investigated. After all, he is the TOP law enforcement officer of the state. I am providing you the contact information that I took from my good friend, Attorney General Derek Schmidt's, website. Since corruption at the county level has been alleged, then it is up to our AG to investigate and either bring to light that there is corruption or put to rest the allegations. I love getting a good investigation started.
Kansas Attorney General Derek Schmidt
Memorial Hall, 2nd Floor
120 SW 10th Street
Topeka, KS 66612
(785) 296-2215
1-888-428-8436
(785) 296-6296 fax
On that same line of trying to find out who or what this Elk Konnected, LLC, is and who the office holders are and trying to allege that there might be some corruption, (Let's not call it "conflict of interest". Let's call it what you are saying it is, corruption), which is involving the commissioner that has had her name flung around this topic...have any of you thought about talking with the Elk County Attorney Kim King about this? Have you? She is newly appointed and should be able to hear your concerns with a fresh ear. Her office is on the top floor of the courthouse. She has a full-time secretary and her number is 620-374-3507.
I have stayed away from this topic just because it is one of the most boring topics I have ever read. Kind of reminds me of doing tax returns. Makes me want to throw up. However; I thought, okay, maybe some people need a little guidance here. Shine a little light to show these concerned taxpayers who they should be asking these questions of. The Kansas Attorney General's Office in Topeka has the tools and the teeth to see an investigation of this type all the way through. Attorney General Derek Schmidt and his many, many attorneys and employees are paid by taxpayer money to investigate the things that have been alleged on this topic.
Oh, by the way, I am not nor am I affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC. I don't work for the taxpayers of this county. I am not on disability, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, or any other program that someone might construe as public assistance. I am not in anyone's "back pocket" or taking any money to say what I have said on this forum. The only land I own is the land that my house sits on. I pay my county taxes, my state taxes, and my federal taxes. I am no one's "lackey" or "puppet". I might, however; be a Puppet Master. BAHAHAHAHA
If you really don't care why the diatribe?
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 06:55:33 PM
Okay, here is the whole post you put up. The question is at the bottom. I did not mean to offend just to abreviate.
If you really don't care why the diatribe?
Ah, so now you put that question at the bottom of the message. How clever. BAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
So why is any of that on this link? Personal affairs should be left personal unless released by that person. And really this thread has nothing to do with the second admendment. So back to the subject. What's happening in our County? Why do a few people get so upset over a few questions about Elk Konnected? Is there something to hide?
So, if you write the Attorney General does that some how indicate that we may no longer express our concerns on this forum? I don't think so. If you don't like the banter back and forth why keep coming here? Even the Federal cops have no control over free speech on the internet.
I was only answering what Mr. Robert Walker put on here. I have the right to do that, don't I? Or are you wanting to censor what I write on here?
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 06:36:54 PM
So why is any of that on this link? Personal affairs should be left personal unless released by that person. And really this thread has nothing to do with the second admendment. So back to the subject. What's happening in our County? Why do a few people get so upset over a few questions about Elk Konnected? Is there something to hide?
So, if you write the Attorney General does that some how indicate that we may no longer express our concerns on this forum? I don't think so. If you don't like the banter back and forth why keep coming here? Even the Federal cops have no control over free speech on the internet.
In what I wrote, where do you get the idea that by my writing the Attorney General can keep you from expressing your concerns on this forum? Where? That is you trying to put words out there that I did not write. Why do you keep doing that?
As for the bantering back and forth, all I said was, I hate it. That's all. I'm not upset about what you are asking about Elk Konnected? Not at all. However; there are those who don't and those who do. I am a doer. I am going to write to the Attorney General and ask him what he thinks, ask him to investigate, ask that someone with some "teeth" look into all these questions that you all are asking. So my question to you is "What are you going to do? "
Quote from: sixdogsmom on June 19, 2011, 06:39:43 PM
You know, Patrick claims that Elk Konnected was not involved with the school closures, and on a previous post I mentioned that the same people were involved in that as were involved with Elk Konnected. In fact it was Dave Whetstone, Kate Perkins, Corey Reese, and others who went from town to town holding 'informational' meetings. I attended two of these; one that was led by Dave Whetstone. He showed us a board covered with yellow post it notes that were supposedly the results of a community consensus gathered at an Elk Konnected round table meeting a few months prior. It was claimed that these papers showed that it was a consensus of that meeting that both Moline and Severy schools be closed and a new school be built in Howard. At another meeting that was led by Corey Reese, he claimed that it was a done deal that Moline and Severy schools would be closed, when in fact the school board had NOT YET VOTED to close them. His very words were, 'It's a done deal"! These are the very same words he used to a channel 12 reporter when there was coverage done on the bond election, although he declined to appear on camera. Soon after these instances, Corey Reese appeared on the front page of The Prarie Star as a member of Elk Konnected. School employees were used to promote the bond issue, and many did, knowing that there was soon to be a large reduction in the West Elk work staff, and not wanting to lose out. Folks did not want to lose their jobs, and many were coerced according to a friend who worked for the school district at that time. She said that people were afraid to openly oppose the new school effort as they did not want to endanger their jobs. But people did in fact respond in the voting booth, and it is just too bad that is had to cost the people of Elk County for a special bond election. Maybe it was a good thing too; folks are paying more attention these days.
Interesting, six, very interesting. Perhaps the unanswered questions
are important, no? As for people paying more attention, one surely hopes so.
I will apologize for upsetting anyone or hurting their feelings. I seriously thought that people were threatening my wife in an offhand way and I won't tolerate that from anyone. She's been threatened enough lately for other things going on. No harm, no foul if no threats were intended.---MR. KSH
Quote from: Patriot on June 19, 2011, 07:13:34 PM
Interesting, six, very interesting. Perhaps the unanswered questions are important, no? As for people paying more attention, one surely hopes so.
I, too, find that very interesting Six. Think I'll go back and reread some of the things that were on here about the closing of the schools and see what I can come up with. I surely hope people with pay attention as well Patriot. Janet brought up our problem we had this past year at our school and people started paying attention and woke up about that matter until it was resolved. I only hope people will wake up and do their own research and not take everyone's word for what happens in this county from now on. We love it here and would do anything to help make it better!--------Jennifer
Thank you, Mr kshillbilly, for the apology. You wife was not threatened in anyway, but we are all good.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
In what I wrote, where do you get the idea that by my writing the Attorney General can keep you from expressing your concerns on this forum? Where? That is you trying to put words out there that I did not write. Why do you keep doing that?
As for the bantering back and forth, all I said was, I hate it. That's all. I'm not upset about what you are asking about Elk Konnected? Not at all. However; there are those who don't and those who do. I am a doer. I am going to write to the Attorney General and ask him what he thinks, ask him to investigate, ask that someone with some "teeth" look into all these questions that you all are asking. So my question to you is "What are you going to do? "
My full intentions was to raise public awareness and I believe that has been accopmlished. My job now is to sit in the back and share the responsibility with my friends and neighbors in Elk County. That is accomplished with an actual conversation that is not controlled by anyone, no facilitator from out of county, no circle of chairs, no control by saying be positive, just open and honest. That's what I would like to see. I'd like to see a large turn out at the next County Commissioners meeting to show that the community is aware and watching. Maybe things can then straighten out. What's wrong with a community applying pressure and showing alertness. Why go out of county if the problems can be corrected at home. My intentions were never, never to go off the deep end.
Jennifer, I am sorry if you felt that my comments were in any way a threat. I am only concerned about your safety as you are well known by name and vocation. Maybe keeping a low profile and out of the limelight would be a wise move for awhile. This doesn't mean that you can't continue to post under another name. There are others that do, you know.
Quote from: Wilma on June 19, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
Jennifer, I am sorry if you felt that my comments were in any way a threat. I am only concerned about your safety as you are well known by name and vocation. Maybe keeping a low profile and out of the limelight would be a wise move for awhile. This doesn't mean that you can't continue to post under another name. There are others that do, you know.
Mother, I don't think it is in Jennifer's nature to hide under another name. LOL I worked with her on the Longton teacher thing and she is just very vocal. I really think she can take care of herself. I am sure she appreciates the concern.
What is all this talk of limelight. I don't get it. Is everyone on the forum in the limelight.
What does that mean? What is the fixation of one person verses another on this forum
being in any limelight. Are only certain people allowed to be on the forum talking without
being in the limelight? This ain't hollywood. This is a community conversation. Are people in
leadership positions in the limelight? Should they take a low profile for a while as well?
Are you in the limelight because you ar on this forum? Should you change your name?
Should you take a low profile? Should I take a low profile and change my name too?
Perhaps everyone should change their names, but why?
I just don't get it. Please explain?
Wilma, I do not think that Jennifer needs to feel threatened or indeed does feel threatened by anything said on this forum. We are adults here, and if we let it 'all hang out' we are probably willing to accept the bumps and scrapes involved as a result. I do not always agree with Jennifer, nor do I agree all the time with anybody else on this forum. Thank God for that! But I can work with most people toward a common goal, and in this instance, it is truth for Elk County that I am interested in. In that, I do agree with Jennifer and others who have expressed their opinion on this matter. :-* :-*
Quit heckling Wilma, Ross. You say first that you are going to sit back and share ownership of the thread, because you in your unbelievable wisdom have decided you have accomplished what you came here for...Then, in the next breath, you are heckling one hell of a fine woman.
Which side of your face are you talking out of?
Ross is doing OK. He hasn't let you liberals get him down. He's stood.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 19, 2011, 09:05:47 PM
...Which side of your face are you talking out of?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 13, 2011, 10:21:15 PM
If you were reading this thread, you saw my apology...And it even extends to you...As a Christian, I can do no less. My initial statement came after wading my way through 90 solid pages of the same question being asked over and over again...And I lost patience at that point. Again, my apologies. I lowered myself to a level that I don't normally reach when I allowed myself to engage in senseless, demeaning exchanges with you...And it won't be allowed to occur again.
I'm confused.
:) :) :) :) :)
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 19, 2011, 06:30:38 PM
Steve, I know what the 2nd amendment say. Where did I use the word permit in reference to the 2nd amendment? Please point it out to me because if I wrote that I want to know where.
Janet, you said this...
All my friends, and I mean all, believe in the 2nd amendment and believe in the right to have a concealed carry permit.
Permits to carry concealed is nothing but a illegal law that infringes on the constitutional rights of citizens. In all reality, you can't really support both.
Quote from: Wilma on June 18, 2011, 05:47:01 PM
Jennifer, I am surprised that you, a federal employee, are participating in this thread. When I was a federal employee, we were given a book, "Code of Conduct" and one thing that was pointed out to us at the time was that we were not to participate in any political activities. We were not being told what we could do or not do. The reason for this was the possibility of revenge on the employee's workplace or fellow employees if someone became irate because of something the employee had said or done.
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 06:44:45 PM
I am not offended by Wilma in the least.
However the grouping of some sentences can lead to assumptions. So perhaps a litlle caution in that area, grouping of sentences that is, might be considered. I know I have made mis-statements in the past and I am sure I'll do it again. But I shall try not to.
Quote from: Wilma on June 19, 2011, 08:43:40 PM
Jennifer, I am sorry if you felt that my comments were in any way a threat. I am only concerned about your safety as you are well known by name and vocation. Maybe keeping a low profile and out of the limelight would be a wise move for awhile. This doesn't mean that you can't continue to post under another name. There are others that do, you know.
Quote from: Ross on June 19, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
What is all this talk of limelight. I don't get it. Is everyone on the forum in the limelight.
What does that mean? What is the fixation of one person verses another on this forum
being in any limelight. Are only certain people allowed to be on the forum talking without
being in the limelight? This ain't hollywood. This is a community conversation. Are people in
leadership positions in the limelight? Should they take a low profile for a while as well?
Are you in the limelight because you ar on this forum? Should you change your name?
Should you take a low profile? Should I take a low profile and change my name too?
Perhaps everyone should change their names, but why?
I just don't get it. Please explain?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 19, 2011, 09:05:47 PM
Quit heckling Wilma, Ross. You say first that you are going to sit back and share ownership of the thread, because you in your unbelievable wisdom have decided you have accomplished what you came here for...Then, in the next breath, you are heckling one hell of a fine woman.
Which side of your face are you talking out of?
Where is the heckling? I was asking a
legitamate question and you just didn't like it. I did not say I was going to disappear did I. So, what is all that talk about the limelight? Are you in the limelight?
What the heck is the point? It would appear to me an attempt to scare people off the thread. And that is not nice. So, I asked what's it all about and the answer from you is HECKLING? That's just another attempt at hiding what is being said in my opinion. Wilma may be a fine woman I can not address that, okay. I don't personnaly know her. But the statements still leave questions to be answered. One I can think of is she really writing them? Is someone else using her log-in? I have read somethings over the last few days from her that I have had a hard time swallowing because she has always been very polite in my opinion. And some of it just doesn't sound like her. Is someone else possibly using her name??? Anything is possible in cyberspace, right.
But back to the issues: What is happening in Elk County?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
This thread on this forum is the limelight. Teresa has told us that many people are reading it, remember? We all know from recent events in D.C. that what is sent into cyberspace cannot be retrieved or even explained away sometimes. A post containing your name and occupation could lead to unpleasant encounters with crazies, which Jennifer probably sees a lot of anyway during her daily walk.
Ross, I joined this forum shortly after I moved over here. I chose to use my own name, knowing that a lot of Elk County people would recognize it. I didn't realize it at the time, that this forum was so widely read. I have even found a long distance cousin because of the forum and more recently was contacted by a nephew that I had lost track of after his mother died. I am not in the position of serving the public or being in public, therefore, I feel that my comments will not affect anyone but me. No employers, no associates, no business that depends on public participation. All those things that could suffer from alienating people.
No one uses my log-in, no one tells me what to write. If you think that some statements are not typical of me, maybe you just haven't scratched the surface yet. My replies and the tone of them is usually in response to a post from someone else. If the post was bitchy, my reply could tend to be bitchy. In other words, my replies are just a reflection of the post to which I am replying.
Now, for today, how are you this morning? I have noticed that the current weather has eased my pain somewhat. I hope it is doing the same for you.
Personally i haven't worried about posts attracting crazies. its the sane people that have power to lose i worry about. I've dealth with crazies many times and they aren't a problem. Sane people that have power send thugs to do their dirty work. Those are the ones you worry about.
As far as DC being unable to retrieve what you post, thats simply not true. You can disappear from the internet if you know how. Its relatively simple.
First and foremost rule never post information about yourself. Period. Your name is about all you would want to give. I even put a false birthdate a lot of times on places that ask for it and gen delivery addy for my street addy
I have dsl and voip so i post my dsl line number for phone since i NEVER even answer it, don't even have a phone hooked up to it.
And borrowing a line from ole neal boortz, I haven't done my job today if i haven't pissed off at least one person
The future of Elk County, the future of education in Elk County, how to spend wind farm money... Settled by 'consensus'?
Quotes from: Are You Being Delphied? (http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp (http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp))
The goal of the Delphi technique is to lead a targeted group of people to a predetermined outcome, while giving the illusion of taking public input and under the pretext of being accountable to the public. For the Delphi to work, it is critical that the targeted group be kept away from knowledgeable people who could lead them away from the Delphier's predetermined outcome...
One variation on the Delphi technique is to use a series of meetings. The attendees are often given a number or a colored card when they enter the room, to determine at which table they are to sit. The purpose of this is to break up the groups of potentially knowledgeable people who arrive together so that they will be sitting with strangers and therefore be subdued... (http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp (http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp))
From Elk Konnected's own story:(http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php))
With a goal of having a successful first Community Conversation, the Steering Committee members each asked 10-15 people whom we thought would not attend otherwise, we distributed notices at the churches, and advertized in the local newspaper and cable channel.
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The Delphi technique often uses a series of surveys to bring about "consensus." The surveys are promoted as information gathering regarding the wishes of the targeted public, but in reality they are designed to manipulate the desired outcome...(http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp (http://www.iror.org/delphied.asp))
From Elk Konnected's own story:(http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php))
To get a gauge of where our communities really were, we started interviewing "Konnected" people. Terry interviewed each steering committee members, who also filled out a "20 Clues Survey" (Community survey)...
...By the end of the survey period, we had conducted 58 interviews with engaged citizens representing the public square. We had also collected 140 community surveys. We were ready for our first community conversation...
Why do Elk Konnected/Public Square Communities processes so closely mirror a psychological warfare tactic developed in the 50s & 60s by the Rand Corporation for the Department of Defense? Tactics that were modified and adapted by 1960s radical Saul Alinsky for use in the education system (The Alinsky Method). Coincidence?
Who was Alinsky: Born to Russian-Jewish parents in Chicago in 1909, Saul Alinsky was a Communist/Marxist fellow-traveler who helped establish the tactics of infiltration -- (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314 (http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2314))
That's really interesting Patriot. But I'd bet most Elk Konnected followers will just shrug it off. But the people that are just watching will understand the parallel.
Did Elk Connected get their retraction of sponsoring the Elk County Summer Day Camp in to the newspaper?
Today is the deadline by 5 pm I believe. Front page would be terrific to show they have some ethics.
We will
all be looking at the paper with anxious care.
Who steers the steering committee?
Do they have ethics?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Where is Elk Konnected's Community?
I know of the Community of Moline. I can find it on the map.
I know of the Community of Elk Falls. I can find it on the map.
I know of the Community of Longton. I can find it on the map.
I don't know of the Community of Elk Konnected. I can't find it on the map.
When communities go before the County Commissioners And say they are from a community and want recreatiional funds, I can find their community on the map.
But I can not find the community of Elk Konnected on the map. Who is on their city council? Does their community have a school? Does their community have a church? What does their community have?
Elk County has all that and it is on the map.
Elk County even has an Economic Development person on the payroll.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Have you tried Map quest ???
Ok, tell me if I am wrong. Each community gets money out of the parks and recreation fund for use by ball clubs and different things. I know in the past that the county gave money to help redo the tennis court in Moline and also with the basketball court here in Howard. So, Elk Konnected, which is a group of individuals in which they do different events for children throughout the county, go to the meeting and ask for some money out of Parks and recreation fund. I think the event was the hit, run, and pitch contest, in which children from all over the country participated in. So, you have a problem with that?? I know what your problem with it is that the county is funding the events that Elk Konnect has or helps fund the events at times, am I right???? Well, to me it isn't any different then the county giving money to the different communities to help their ball clubs. I have seen the camps that they have put on in the different communities and there are kids from all over the country at the different camps.
If the country elects for the money in the parks and recreation fund to go towards events and things that children participate in, is that wrong?? I know they have been doing it for years. I have only been living in Elk County for 12 years, and before that Severy, but even I have been reading the commissioners notes in the paper for at least the past 12 and I am thinking that this is how the money from the parks and recreation has been spent forever. Just my take on it.
As for the followers remark about the people that VOLUNTEER for Elk Konnect, that is just wrong. People around here choose to volunteer for things. And everyone knows that if you volunteer for anything that there is always someone in charge of the event or whatever you are volunteering in. Do you not do what your ask if you volunteer at church or anything?? To me that remark about being puppets lead by a puppet master is totally wrong and way off base.
I don't know for sure who the ADMITTED MEMBERS AND THAT RUN ELK KONNECTED, but just from all the reading on it I pretty much can figure it out. I would hope that you could, too.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 20, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
I don't know for sure who the ADMITTED MEMBERS AND THAT RUN ELK KONNECTED, but just from all the reading on it I pretty much can figure it out. I would hope that you could, too.
"Pretty much figure it out" leaves everyone reading this in the same spot you are.... which is "I don't know."
Well, I do know some that are on different committees. It's just not my place to put there name out there. As you have stated before this is a public forum, and if they want to come forth that is their decision not mine to decide for them.
So, you just want the names of the members? What will you all do then when you get the names? This is Elk County, everyone talks to everyone, sure it isn't that hard to find that out!!
Sooooo.... you are the Puppet Master, huh? You do know that you have caused many of us on this forum a mind-blowing experience?
What was that? You don't understand what I mean by "mind-blowing experience" ???
Here... let me show you what I mean, Mr. Puppet Master:
JarHead.... please clean up this mess and get ready to circle the chairs for the next meeting.
We got alot of "mind-blowing" work to do.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 20, 2011, 02:27:18 PM
I don't know for sure who the ADMITTED MEMBERS AND THAT RUN ELK KONNECTED
There you go, that's what we are talking about.
No one knows who they are working for.
I bet someone out there can probably tell me that, that is part of the Delphi methods too.
And who is going to wake up to the manipulation Elk County citizens and government?
Just give it some thought.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 01:43:58 PM
Where is Elk Konnected's Community?
I know of the Community of Moline. I can find it on the map.
I know of the Community of Elk Falls. I can find it on the map.
I know of the Community of Longton. I can find it on the map.
I don't know of the Community of Elk Konnected. I can't find it on the map.
Elk Konnected occupies most of the middle third of Flintauqua. The center of Elk Konnected would be a few miles south of Cresco.
Damn WARPH. You made the mess---you clean it up. Now I need to go see a shrink because I feel a bad case of PTSD a coming on !!!!
Quote from: flintauqua on June 20, 2011, 03:16:25 PM
Elk Konnected occupies most of the middle third of Flintauqua. The center of Elk Konnected would be a few miles south of Cresco.
Never heard of Flintauqua, mut be a fantasy place.
I know where Cresco is, that's in Iowa
Here is their web page link. http://www.crescochamber.com/
Cresco is a city in Howard County, Iowa
Does that mean Elk Konnected is in the wrong State?
Quote from: Warph on June 20, 2011, 02:20:18 PM
Have you tried Map quest ???
Are you kidding? Mapquest doesnt' even know where we are. Hell they can't even get the roads right.
This was in last week's Prairie Star. Does this help or do you still have questions. Just trying to ease your wants.
Who Owns Elk Konnected, LLC
One of the first requirements to being a Public Square community is to name a steering
committee. This team or board serves as the support system and assists in communication for
Action Teams. They are the Convener for Community Conversations and help to keep Action Team
accountable to the larger community. They update the goals and vision for the community and
coordinate activities for Accreditation.
Elk Konnected's original steering committee formed in March 2007. This first steering
committee consisted of Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Vic Donahey, Richard Fish, Larry Galvan, Chris
Haag, Liz Hendricks, David Sanchez, and David Whetstone. They chose the name Elk Konnected. In
2008 after the vision retreat, David Brace, Chris Haag, Larry Galvan, Vic Donahey rotated off and Sally
Morgan, Nancy Barker, Caitlin JuAire, and Laura Fry joined. In 2009, Sally Morgan, Dave Sanchez,
Caitlin JuAire left and Tanner Weber, Mary Mericle joined. In 2010 Laura Fry and Richard Fish left, and
Jennifer Brummel and Julie Englebrecht joined. So far in 2011, Mary Mericle has resigned and Tommie
Provence joined. Our current steering committee is Andrea Arbuckle, Nancy Barker, Jennifer Brummel,
Julie Englebrecht, Liz Hendricks, Tommie Provence, and Dave Whetstone. We try to have engaged
positive citizens from all of our communities – Positive Conversation changes the world! The steering
committee meets monthly in various locations around the Elk Konnected land. These meetings are
open and the public is welcome to observe.
In the latter part of 2009, Elk Konnected became a limited liability company (LLC) to protect
the steering committee and the action teams from liability. This seemed necessary with the exposure
of the youth activities and the wellness center. Elk Konnected members are not paid for their many
hours of volunteerism. All monies donated or "invested" in Elk Konnected are used for action team
projects or to pay our annual fee to Public Square Communities. All monies are kept with the Elk
County Community and Education Foundation, a 501c3 foundation. Elk Konnected does not elect
officers; however we do have rotating co-conveners. We have two at a time, each serving for a year
with 6 months in a training capacity and 6 months in the lead convener role. We are also looking at
developing a more structured rotation of steering committee members.
As always, we welcome your questions and comment and we can be reached at elkkonnect@
gmail.com or feel free to contact any of the steering committee members. Stay with us as we grow!
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 03:32:32 PM
Never heard of Flintauqua, mut be a fantasy place.
I know where Cresco is, that's in Iowa
Here is their web page link. http://www.crescochamber.com/
Cresco is a city in Howard County, Iowa
Does that mean Elk Konnected is in the wrong State?
Anyone who has traveled the two highways of Elk County (and paid attention to what they go by) knows where Cresco is. Interesting coincidence about there being a Cresco in Howard County, Iowa since Elk County was originally the north half of Howard County, Kansas.
You mean that there are some who don't know where the Cresco Cemetary is? How funny...Guess I must have lived there longer and done enough in the County that I know... ;)
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 03:05:01 PM
Who is your Puppet Master?
This is my favorite Puppet Master:
Jeff Dunham - Puppet Master
Jeff Dunham came out of nowhere with his motley band of puppets in a suitcase. Now the voice-throwing comedian is one of America's best known stand-up acts.
Jeff Dunham has brought ventriloquism back to the stage in a startlingly fresh and irreverent way. Known from coast to coast as "the guy with the puppets", Dunham and his impressive cast of sidekicks have become one of the most popular comedic acts both in the US and abroad.
Dunham's Early Puppet Mastery
Jeff started down the road to voice-throwing excellence early in life. According to Dunham's official website, by age 8 he was already giving performances in his hometown of Dallas, Texas - with the help of a Mortimer Snerd dummy, and instruction booklet and an LP. As a teenager, Dunham performed in any venue that would have him, and after graduation from Baylor University, Jeff moved to LA to pursue his ventriloquist career full time.
Soon recognized as a rising star on the national comedy circuit, Dunham cemented his place as the latest comedy sensation with the release of his self produced Comedy Central special, "Arguing With Myself." Over 1 million DVDs of the special flew off the shelves (roughly three times what is normally seen with comedy DVD releases). Dunham had officially arrived.
Read more at Suite101: Jeff Dunham - Puppet Master: America's Favorite Comic is a Ventriloquist | Suite101.com http://www.suite101.com/content/jeff-dunham---puppet-master-a213585#ixzz1PrAh5
Jeff Dunham is HILARIOUS...I love him! ;D Wish he'd come to the Looney Bin.
Does anyone remember Paul Winchell and Jerry Mahoney?
Jerry was the dummy and there was also a standby dummy named Knucklehead Smiff.
The program was on NBC at 8:00 pm on a weeknight in the early 1950s.
What about Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy? Mortimer Snerd was also one of Bergen's puppets.
Classic!! ;D
Another classic from my youth was Lee Woodward and King Lionel doing the weather on KOTV Tulsa channel 6:
http://tulsatvmemories.com/leemurg.html
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 20, 2011, 03:57:09 PM
This was in last week's Prairie Star. Does this help or do you still have questions. Just trying to ease your wants.
Who Owns Elk Konnected, LLC
Thank you, Janet. But,the contents of that article were addressed here right after the paper came out.
Well, then didn't you get your answers? Seemed to me they were all there. The leaders and how they conduct business. What else do you want?
Come to think of it, there is something about the county that I think is more important than the membership of an organization. Who are our law enforcement officers? I know the sheriff. He was one of Janet's deputies that she hired so he could come back to Elk County and live with his family. But who are the rest of the officers? I have lived here for 6 years now and I have no idea of who the deputies might be. The only one that I thought I knew about turned out to have quit several years ago.
Big, Bold Letters again.
WHO ARE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?
DOES ANYONE KNOW?
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
What else do you want?
Owners, perhaps?
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
Come to think of it, there is something about the county that I think is more important than the membership of an organization. Who are our law enforcement officers?
The taxpayer money they take and its' use is pretty well accounted for, and their bosses we know are the taxpayers/voters. When the time comes, the sheriff can be replaced by the voters.
Not so for a private LLC that takes taxpayer funds.
Interesting Warph...This one is more fitting for this thread...Just think of Morpheus as Patriot...You are Neo...
But they are paid with taxpayer money. Shouldn't we know who it is that we are paying? How do we know that they are even qualified to law enforcement if we don't know their names? Don't I have as much right to ask these questions as you have to demand that someone list the EKLLC membership on the forum? If you don't want to go find out for yourself who the members are, why should I go any further than demanding that the sheriff's employees be listed on the forum?
WHO ARE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?
DOES ANYONE KNOW?
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
Knock yourself out.
LOL Wilma, you are priceless...
I AGREE...This world is, as we know it, threatened if we don't know exactly who it is that is behind each and every badge running around on the street...It means the possible end of our ability to function as independent freedom-loving individuals if each and every body under those badges (forget only Elk County...I think we need the name of each and every badge-toting state and federal employee) doesn't identify themselves...After all, there could be some petulant characters out there who need to be identified so that we could put a huge scarlett letter on them of P for Persnickity Public Employee...
<yawn>
This is about the oldest clip I could think of that sounded suitable. Wilma, if you still don't get it, I found something a little bit closer to your age, although Mary Pickford was still in silent films, so you still won't get it.
Or maybe some Star Trek, Wilma. Sorry, no William Shatner.....
Doug Hanks, Sheriff
Danny Ferguson, Undersheriff
John Walker
Zeb Hare
See how easy that was to get YOUR question answered?
In response to the three video links posted by kshillbilly - Who's out in fantasyland now?
Ah, but you've left out all the other counties...I still feel threatened...Who are they? Why are they not listed? Do they have something to hide? What vast conspiricy are they covertly engaging in? Is there a reason they aren't listed here?
WHO ARE THEY AND WHY ARE THEY RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED???? GOD HELP US!!!
In response to Catwoman and her stupidity: Any officer will have to give you their name or badge number upon request so they can be called in and verified. Now can you say the same for EKLLC investors/owners/members? Now who's all persnickety?
Flintauqua: Just trying to fit in with the rest of you who still are on the blue pill. Pull your head out of your brownhole and look around!
Quote from: Catwoman on June 20, 2011, 07:31:19 PM
Ah, but you've left out all the other counties...I still feel threatened...Who are they? Why are they not listed? Do they have something to hide? What vast conspiricy are they covertly engaging in? Is there a reason they aren't listed here?
WHO ARE THEY AND WHY ARE THEY RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED???? GOD HELP US!!!
Cat,
Don't you know it's all part of a radically liberal, communist plot to take over the country!
Help me, I'm channeling Joe McCarthy
Quote from: Catwoman on June 20, 2011, 07:31:19 PM
Ah, but you've left out all the other counties...I still feel threatened...Who are they? Why are they not listed? Do they have something to hide? What vast conspiricy are they covertly engaging in? Is there a reason they aren't listed here?
WHO ARE THEY AND WHY ARE THEY RUNNING AROUND WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED???? GOD HELP US!!!
PAID public servants. Why are you concerning your self with OTHER counties? Those looking for truth about EK here are only concerned with ELK COUNTY. If you want other counties to be listed, join their forums. And by the way..that's conspirAcy...YOU'RE welcome....
Having been in a long-term relationship with a sheriff's deputy...No, they wiill not ALL give you their name and badge number. There are very good reasons why they won't...Both for your protection AND theirs. Stupid is as stupid does, Hillbilly.
You can channel whomever you chose, Flint...I'm right there with you!!!
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2011, 07:34:28 PM
Flintauqua: Just trying to fit in with the rest of you who still are on the blue pill. Pull your head out of your brownhole and look around!
As I have stated before - I have known these people either since I was about four years old, or since they moved to our fine county. I've been looking around for that amount of time. If any of these people were inclined to be the monsters you all are making them out to be, then wouldn't you think I would know.
I believe it is you and certain others that keep this nonsense going that can't see the feces for the hemorroids.
What sheriff's deputy were you having a long term relationship with that wouldn't reveal his badge number? It is the LAW that if the citizen is in doubt, they can call the sheriff's office with the badge number to have them checked out. And if that "LEO" doesn't give you the information you are not to open your door to them. Their name and badge number are also placed on the ticket if you are so lucky to get one...Run with this Forest....
Our fine county where? Elk County or in NW Arkansas where you LIVE? Why would I think you know anything? I don't even know you!
You are not entitled to the name or badge number of those who operate under cover. Do you really live so far out in the boonies, watching old re-runs, that you are that out of touch with how the rest of the world, outside of Elk County, operates? I'll give you a headstart, plebe...You've got the furthest distance to run of anyone yet. I live in Kansas, Hillbilly... ;D.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
Our fine county where? Elk County or in NW Arkansas where you LIVE? Why would I think you know anything? I don't even know you!
I own property in Elk County, I bank in Elk County. My family is in Elk County and has been there since before there was an Elk County. My lifelong friends are in Elk County. And for 37 of my 42 years I was a resident of Elk County. Just because I currently reside in NW Ark. does not mean that Elk County, Kansas is not my county.
Flint was also the voice welcoming the incoming Moline Alumni for a number of years...Grand and glorious was that voice! lol
Quote from: Catwoman on June 20, 2011, 07:52:19 PM
Flint was also the voice welcoming the incoming Moline Alumni for a number of years...Grand and glorious was that voice! lol
Shush! :-X
The MHSAA is a secret organization, it's in the oath.
Well excuse me Cat, you didn't say they were "undercover", only that they were LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS....Be more careful who you're getting "under covers" with. I'm sorry that I'm so common and stupid, in your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion of me, as I am entitled to my opinion of you. But I'm a lady so......---- ---!
And Flint: I really don't care who you are or where you are. You said, who's out in Fantasyland now? Well Warph started with the sci fi. No one had anything rude to say to him though did they? Oh and speaking of Fantasyland...I hope you know that Big Jake, True Grit, The Searchers, Lonesome Dove, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly aren't real either...It's all fantasy.
No "Lady" I ever knew talked like that...And...No, thank you. ;D Pass.
Well since I didn't actually say anything, you have no idea what I was thinking.... ::)
Folks all over the world that may be watching this thread, I simply want to apologize for the people in our county that have so little respect for the subject matter tha pertains to the control of our county that they will not stay on subject. The supposedly educated people are behaving like high school drop outs. No actually most high school drop outs have better manners. So I apologize to high school drop outs.
The subject matter is a serious matter in this county and is being treated in an infantile manner by the followers. They have no idea who they follow. They just follow blindly.
Or perhaps these followers will be polite enough to take their childishness and start another thread.
A couple of subject questions are. Let's see if they can communicate intelligently!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Now, since Wilma got the answers to her question so quickly and easily, I think it's time we asked.....
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
::)
Quote from Ross:
The supposedly educated people are behaving like high school drop outs.
Amen to that Ross !!
Quote from: flintauqua on June 20, 2011, 07:49:40 PM
I own property in Elk County, I bank in Elk County. My family is in Elk County and has been there since before there was an Elk County. My lifelong friends are in Elk County. And for 37 of my 42 years I was a resident of Elk County. Just because I currently reside in NW Ark. does not mean that Elk County, Kansas is not my county.
So what? You choose not to live here now, right?
You can't even rate as an Elk Konnected follower.
So what do you know about anything happening here, now?
Do you know the answers to the following:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Why are they hiding?
Show us that even though you are a not an Elk County resident how smart you are.
Don't put that KState emblem to any more shame, simply answer the questions.
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 08:17:55 PM
Folks all over the world that may be watching this thread, I simply want to apologize for the people in our county that have so little respect for the subject matter tha pertains to the control of our county that they will not stay on subject. The supposedly educated people are behaving like high school drop outs. No actually most high school drop outs have better manners. So I apologize to high school drop outs.
The subject matter is a serious matter in this county and is being treated in an infantile manner by the followers. They have no idea who they follow. They just follow blindly.
Or perhaps these followers will be polite enough to take their childishness and start another thread.
Well said. Thanks Ross. Intellectuals? I wonder.
We were just trying to get some rays of that limelight that Ross so desperately needs.
Then who is Sheriff's Deputy Kevin Wray that was listed in the commissioner's minutes in last week's paper? Who are the part time deputies? What about city law enforcement? Who else works in the sheriff's office? Who is it that takes our emergency calls?
WHO ARE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?
DOES ANYONE KNOW?
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
There will be no Videos in this post. You see, I am trying to think for myself.
When I was growing up in the 50's my granpa was in Politics, and there were lots of arguing as to who was right and what should be done. The ones with the biggest kahunas had the floor and it was Mr. Good's old (fill in a name) club. :-[
I went to college and dated a person that debated. Hated that one...never let me talk, told me I was wrong and his teeth were bad.....but that's another thread...lol. :angel:
Fast forward to today:
Cautious acceptance is the normal today, with today's 'videos' on not only the real life of politicians, yet as to the internet as we use it.
So, in this particular thread I admire someone for asking questions as a cautious taxpayer, I actually agree with Ross/Patriot and Steve's questions....although I am put off by some of the methods....but hey, we all do things our own way...or we should be able to and still can talk with each other. ???
My point is.....are you letting the videos speak for you, or can you speak for yourself?
It is not about who, as it is about what!
Now I am ready and out to bed.
I never watch the videos. I am much better with the written word.
Amen, Wilma!
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2011, 07:28:04 PM
Doug Hanks, Sheriff
Danny Ferguson, Undersheriff
John Walker
Zeb Hare
See how easy that was to get YOUR question answered?
Well, you left out Joe Love. I know why you did because he apparently is going to work at the courthouse as the maintenance employee. However; Joe has worked for Doug for several years, so, there you go Mother, there is your answer. And you didn't even have to call the courthouse to get your answer.
If you got answers to all the questions you are asking, what would it change?---Wilma, Re: Of Elk Konnected, wind farms & gorillas... Friends, Romans, countrymen...May 08, 2011, 08:29:47 am
You asked Who are the law enforcement officers. I gave you the answer. It has been stated on this thread that even if Ross and Patriot got their answers they still wouldn't be happy and would come up with more questions, which is exactly what you did, came up with more questions.
Yes, Janet. Joe Love used to be a Deputy but is now working maintenance for the Courthouse. We lost a damn good deputy in Deputy Love but we wish him the best in his future endeavors!
Elk Konnected followers just can't tell us who they are following.
That has got to be the height of sheeple dumb.
They can't seem to stay on subject either. That's weird considering they claim to be educated and even have a couple of supposed educator amongst their miidst.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Come on folks try a little harder to stay on subject, try to concentrate. Good night.
In modern terminology 'witch-hunt' has acquired usage referring to the act of seeking and persecuting any perceived enemy, particularly when the search is conducted using extreme measures and with little regard to actual guilt or innocence. It is used whether or not it is sanctioned by the government, or merely occurs within the "court of public opinion".
The first such use reported by the Oxford English Dictionary dates to 1932. Another early instance is George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia (1938). The term is used by Orwell to describe how, in the Spanish Civil War, political persecutions became a regular occurrence.
The term is used when a hunt for wrongdoers becomes abused, and a defendant can be convicted merely on an accusation.
Use of the term was popularized in the United States in the context of the McCarthyist search for communists during the Cold War, which was discredited partly through being compared to the Salem witch trials.
From the 1960s, the term was in wide use and could also be applied to isolated incidents or scandals, specifically public smear-campaigns against individuals.
Red-baiting is the act of accusing, denouncing, attacking or persecuting an individual or group as communist,[1] socialist, or anarchist, or sympathetic toward communism,[2] socialism, or anarchism. The word "red" in "red-baiting" is derived from the red flag signifying radical left-wing politics.[3] The term "red-baiting" dates to at least 1928.[1] In United States history, red-baiting is most often associated with McCarthyism, which had its origins in the two historic Red Scare periods of the 1920s (First Red Scare) and 1950s (Second Red Scare).[4] In the 21st century, red-baiting does not have quite the same effect it previously did due to the fall of Soviet-style Communism,[5] but some pundits have argued that notable events in current American politics indicates a resurgence of red-baiting consistent with the 1950s.[6]
Read more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red-baiting
Who steers the steering committee???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of disloyalty, subversion, or treason without proper regard for evidence. The term has its origins in the period in the United States known as the Second Red Scare, lasting roughly from the late 1940s to the late 1950s and characterized by heightened fears of communist influence on American institutions and espionage by Soviet agents. Originally coined to criticize the anti-communist pursuits of Republican U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin, "McCarthyism" soon took on a broader meaning, describing the excesses of similar efforts. The term is also now used more generally to describe reckless, unsubstantiated accusations, as well as demagogic attacks on the character or patriotism of political adversaries.
. . . . . . .
Since the time of McCarthy, the word McCarthyism has entered American speech as a general term for a variety of practices: aggressively questioning a person's patriotism, making poorly supported accusations, using accusations of disloyalty to pressure a person to adhere to conformist politics or to discredit an opponent, subverting civil rights in the name of national security, and the use of demagoguery are all often referred to as McCarthyism.[107][108][109] McCarthyism can also be synonymous with the term witch-hunt, both referring to mass hysteria and moral panic.
Read more at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism
Flint, no one is redbaiting anyone YOU YOURSELF said that EK is progressive agency. And its common knowlege that the progressive movement started in the 1800s and their main goal is a socialist nation. With your admission that they are a progressive group, you admit they are socialist and have an agenda to destroy the constitution
Quote from: the shadow on June 17, 2011, 08:45:48 PM
I wonder if either of the commissioners that stand to gain money from this windfarm filed a substantial interest report with County Clerk Kaminska prior to voting on that windfarm?
http://www.ksag.org/page/frequent-questions1#5
1. A local government official voted on a matter in which he/she has a "conflict of interest."Is that legal?
The statutes that address local government officials using their positions for personal benefit are K.S.A. 75-4304 and 75-4305.K.S.A. 75-4304 prohibits local governmental officials and employees from participating, in their governmental capacities, in making contracts with persons/businesses that either employ the official/employee or the official/employee has a "substantial interest" in the business."Substantial interest" is defined at K.S.A. 75-4301a and, generally, means some kind of financial interest.There are exceptions to this general prohibition involving competitive bidding and where the price/rate is fixed by law.
As far as voting on a matter which will affect a business in which a local government official has a "substantial interest," K.S.A. 75-4305 allows an official to vote provided he/she has filed with the county election officer either of the following: a disclosure of any "substantial interest" or a report of the nature of the interest.
Violations of these statutes may result in criminal prosecution and forfeiture of office.
the Shadow---------------------KNOWS!
Janet, have you had time to write your letter to County Clerk Kaminska about this substantial interest report yet?
...The McCarthy period is the Rosetta stone of all liberal lies. It is the textbook on how they rewrite history -- the sound chamber of liberal denunciations, their phony victimhood as they demean and oppress their enemies, their false imputation of dishonesty to their opponents, their legalization of every policy dispute, their ability to engage in lock-step shouting campaigns, and the black motives concealed by their endless cacophony.
The true story of Joe McCarthy, told in meticulous, irrefutable detail in Blacklisted by History, is that from 1938 to 1946, the Democratic Party acquiesced in a monstrous conspiracy being run through the State Department, the military establishment, and even the White House to advance the Soviet cause within the U.S. government.
In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.
Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.
Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along....
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23316 (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=23316)
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
Then who is Sheriff's Deputy Kevin Wray that was listed in the commissioner's minutes in last week's paper? Who are the part time deputies? What about city law enforcement? Who else works in the sheriff's office? Who is it that takes our emergency calls?
WHO ARE OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS?
DOES ANYONE KNOW?
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
Mother, You just read that list of who attended the meeting wrong. Here is what was published (just the part telling who was there)...These are the minutes of the Elk
County Commission meeting held on April
25.
Those present were: Douglas C. Ritz,
District I; Donna K. Kaminska; Elizabeth M.
Hendricks, District II; K.R. Liebau, District
III; Earnie Lackey, Road; David Evans;
John Collins; Byrdee Miller-Marcic, Emer
Prep; Micky Wunderlich; Rudy Taylor; Kenneth
Mitchell, EMS; Dale Clubine; Rob
Wolfe; Connie Hey, Dep Appraiser; Barbara
Clubine; Jackie Perkins; Neva Walter,
Reg of Deeds; William Bischof; Maurice
Perkins; Jim Criger, Rural Fire; Joe Snively;
Fran Wray; J.P. Logan, Maintenance;
Pat Snively; Kevin Wray; Zeb Hare, Dep.
Sheriff; L.W. Ross; Velva Hoyt; Jennifer
Brummel, Econ/Youth Dev; Jim Lane; Jack
Hoyt; Kandy Dowell, Health Nurse; Pauline
Bellar; Susie Perkins; Boyd Koehn; Irene
Keast; Susan Galvan; Ron Dellinger; Dana
Mills; Shelby Moore; Don Roe; Sue Roe;
Irene Julian
It was Zeb Hare, Dep. Sheriff, not Kevin Wray, Dep. Sheriff.
Would the following people please go start a new thread to impress each other.
Because you are not impressing anyone on this thread.
flintauqua
Wilma
Catwoman
Janet Harrington
You have admitted your ignorance to the questions?
And continually behave as juveniles from Elk Konnected.
So, please go start a new thread, or stay on subject. Please.
The world is watching you.
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 08:17:55 PM
Folks all over the world that may be watching this thread, I simply want to apologize for the people in our county that have so little respect for the subject matter tha pertains to the control of our county that they will not stay on subject. The supposedly educated people are behaving like high school drop outs. No actually most high school drop outs have better manners. So I apologize to high school drop outs.
The subject matter is a serious matter in this county and is being treated in an infantile manner by the followers. They have no idea who they follow. They just follow blindly.
Or perhaps these followers will be polite enough to take their childishness and start another thread.
A couple of subject questions are. Let's see if they can communicate intelligently!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Quote from: jarhead on June 20, 2011, 08:31:35 PM
Quote from Ross:
The supposedly educated people are behaving like high school drop outs.
Amen to that Ross !!
Quote from: Patriot on June 20, 2011, 08:33:15 PM
Well said. Thanks Ross. Intellectuals? I wonder.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 20, 2011, 07:49:40 PM
I own property in Elk County, I bank in Elk County. My family is in Elk County and has been there since before there was an Elk County. My lifelong friends are in Elk County. And for 37 of my 42 years I was a resident of Elk County. Just because I currently reside in NW Ark. does not mean that Elk County, Kansas is not my county.
Okay, this guy doesn't even live here. Does that help. Lives in Arkansas, which is beautiful country.So what? You choose not to live here now, right?
You can't even rate as an Elk Konnected follower, you are not here to do their bidding.
So what do you know about anything happening here, now?
Do you know the answers to the following:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Why are they hiding?
Show us that even though you are a not an Elk County resident how smart you are.
Don't put that KState emblem to any more shame, simply answer the questions.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 20, 2011, 10:04:49 PM
Mother, You just read that list of who attended the meeting wrong. Here is what was published (just the part telling who was there)...These are the minutes of the Elk
County Commission meeting held on April
25.
Those present were: Douglas C. Ritz,
District I; Donna K. Kaminska; Elizabeth M.
Hendricks, District II; K.R. Liebau, District
III; Earnie Lackey, Road; David Evans;
John Collins; Byrdee Miller-Marcic, Emer
Prep; Micky Wunderlich; Rudy Taylor; Kenneth
Mitchell, EMS; Dale Clubine; Rob
Wolfe; Connie Hey, Dep Appraiser; Barbara
Clubine; Jackie Perkins; Neva Walter,
Reg of Deeds; William Bischof; Maurice
Perkins; Jim Criger, Rural Fire; Joe Snively;
Fran Wray; J.P. Logan, Maintenance;
Pat Snively; Kevin Wray; Zeb Hare, Dep.
Sheriff; L.W. Ross; Velva Hoyt; Jennifer
Brummel, Econ/Youth Dev; Jim Lane; Jack
Hoyt; Kandy Dowell, Health Nurse; Pauline
Bellar; Susie Perkins; Boyd Koehn; Irene
Keast; Susan Galvan; Ron Dellinger; Dana
Mills; Shelby Moore; Don Roe; Sue Roe;
Irene Julian
It was Zeb Hare, Dep. Sheriff, not Kevin Wray, Dep. Sheriff.
Most ot those you have listed would be non supporters of Elk Konnected, right?
I believe elk Konnected still has time to write their retraction in the newspaper even though the deadline for advertisement is done.
The newspaper owner tells me he has an affiliaton with Elk Konnected so it should be no problem. right?
We will all be watching for the truth to be printed.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
The REAL puppet master is the one who can tug one little string and get a whole lot of jumping around to occur...lol...Ross, you are so funny... ;D...I am just hoping this keeps up for another 100 pages...I've not had this much amusement in years!!
You still haven't stated to what purpose you'll put all this information that you supposedly so desperately need...You certainly haven't followed up on any of the leads you've been presented with so far...So...The real question here would have to be why you keep persisting? Narcissism has been suggested before...And I'd have to start agreeing at this point.
Quote from: Ross on June 20, 2011, 08:57:13 PM
Elk Konnected followers just can't tell us who they are following.
That has got to be the height of sheeple dumb.
They can't seem to stay on subject either. That's weird considering they claim to be educated and even have a couple of supposed educator amongst their miidst.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Come on folks try a little harder to stay on subject, try to concentrate. Good night.
I had to calm down a little before I replied to your down right rude manner of this comment. Just because I choose not to post the names of the people that I know that are members of Elk Konnected doesn't mean that I'm dumb. I choose to not say because I feel it is common curtiousy not to put names of people out there. I'm not hidding a thing, I went and got some of the information that you asked about and you can do the same. But you choose to want to get it from here, that's your choice and I don't think your dumb for doing it, maybe not the way I would choose to get information but that is your choice. And Teresa and her husband run this whole forum, you have no right to tell anyone to get off this thread. If they choose to read it it is their choice, and if they choose to comment it's their choice not yours. Just because some of us choice to not pin point names and have actually went and talked to people about the subject and questions that you have been asking, we are now dumb!! WOW!!
Oh, I asked a county commissioner about this issue, just so you know. He is kind of related to me and you know what you could surely do the same and get the answers alot faster then you have gotten them off of this thread.
Janet, you are right. mea culpa. What a relief.
ATTENTION, EVERYONE!
I retract my request for the names of all the sheriff's department employees. They might not want their names out there in cyberspace. If they do, they can post them. I would still be interested in who all the employees are, though. Also, who the road department employees are. Those are the two largest Elk County departments that are being paid with taxpayer money. It would be nice to know just who is receiving it.
I wonder if maybe the reason no EKLLC members names are forthcoming is because they don't care to have them published in this manner. After all, their names are in the paper quite often. AND, they are not being paid with taxpayer money. I can't see where anyone has the right to demand that their names be published on this forum.
For those who obviously missed, or chose to ignore it and for those silent readers who are evaluating the dialogue here...
I have come to believe there is something rotten in our local wood pile. There has been for some time. Undue influence of the few over the best interests of the many. I was warned of this soon after we located to Elk County several years ago. I'm discovering that many others have been likewise warned. Apparently this has been the case for years. The 'good ole boys' factor doesn't even begin to cover it. The putrefaction in our midst has become intolerable as Roberts Rules of Order and parliamentary procedure involving well announced open public hearings to debate public policy have been effectively thrown out the window in favor of the consensus management (by hired professionals) of vulnerable, uninformed citizens, using well adapted, professionally implemented group control techniques. I opine that such crony capitalism & public manipulation have become the rule rather than the exception.
Such 'alternatives' to elected representation & public debate become abrasive to the spirit of liberty when government officials abandoned their responsibilities of above board constituent representation by turning those responsibilities over to an elite group of unelected cronies, giving heed to their desires and openly rewarding them with taxpayer monies and the use of other taxpayer/voter resources. Even to the point of making a local government employee's primary function that of a fundraiser and a government paid lackey for the same elite, non-elected group and elected officials who trumpet that group. The influenced votes of figureheads are not necessarily representative of the public's wishes.
This county is at best stagnant, and at worst dying. Limited local employment, a shrinking population and the generous number of for sale signs give light to that truth. This due, in my opinion, largely to the mismanagement of a few who quietly use government power to enhance their personal station and that of their families and close friends. And that shouldn't be. The people in this county may be blinded, but they aren't stupid. Keep them uninformed, distract & dictate to them, make them think their input matters and they are kept numb and easily controlled. Give them the chance, and they will see foolishness for what it is. Ask questions in open forums, and the citizens at large will produce the right answers. Let them be clearly heard, and our community can improve. Not through centralized control and extra-government direction, but through the open, non-facilitated expressions of their needs, ideas, dreams & skills. Even our state and federal representatives make themselves available in town hall settings, away from their ivory towers, to listen to their constituents. Not so, our local representatives. Elk county, in some regards, is no different than our entire country at this point... government needs to be open, honest, responsive and not directive, and needs get the hell out of the way of the people.
Many posters on this thread, through their words, have clearly demonstrated the antithesis of what liberty is all about. They have (knowingly, unknowingly, coached or otherwise) associated themselves with the questionable actions of others by responding to openly submitted yet clear questions of fact with blind defenses, distractions, deflections, personal attacks and demands of silence. Some have lowered themselves to back channel chatter & behaviors in efforts to silence those who would question the status quo in this thread. Yet those poster's involvement was something they could have avoided or modified. No such actions were required of them. They freely chose to engage in the discussion and try to stifle debate rather than stimulate & further it. Sad, really sad.
Stay connected, citizens. Your liberty depends on it.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 21, 2011, 06:18:03 AM
Oh, I asked a county commissioner about this issue, just so you know. He is kind of related to me and you know what you could surely do the same and get the answers a lot faster then you have gotten them off of this thread.
That wouldn't be worth a nickle. IF Ross were to go and ask, and then come back and say the County commissioner said.....it amounts to hearsay and no one believes it. Just like he keeps saying, unless your an admitted member your just a follower and know nothing about EK LLC.
Now i find this thread very telling. I reflect back on how our forefathers founded this country and the ideals that have run this country for over 200 years. Back then, the majority didn't want a Republic based on a rule of law. They may not have been happy with the king but they were too afraid of losing what they had. SO the MAJORITY sat on their collective asses, and notice the word collective, much like today's citizens, they want to be included in a group a collective, no individuality, and they did nothing. The very few men and women stood up and risked all. Did something about the king. Shoot if they had Elk Konnected back then we would still be bowing before the crown. These men came up AS INDIVIDUALS, expressed their concerns, their ideas and solutions AS INDIVIDUALS,not group therapy types, they didn't form circles and have 1 facilitator write down things then give them to another level. They themselves wrote down their ideas and solutions to the problem at hand. A tyrannical king. Then they came together AS Individuals into a group and formed the articles and government. Once that was done, Then the hard part came. Keeping what they created. ALL Of these men risked all they had, many lost all they had and died as paupers.
This can only be done as individuals not as groups of volunteers being led by facilitators. Heck even the men who VOLUNTEERED to fight brought their own weapons and powder. They all risked either all they had or their lives.
This EK LLC risks nothing. They consume. What do they provide? Street cleanup and balls for sports, and a gym. Big woop. Its nice to have those things but they are not necessary. And UTILIZING taxpayer funds should only be for necessary operations of government nothing else. In fact its a disgrace that they would even have to utilize taxpayer funds to fund a ball team. Gyms need to be left to free enterprise. NOT funded by taxpayer money. Thats a luxury item not a necessity.
There are some folks on here that are old enough to have lived through the great depression. What would have happened back then if the county had spent money on a gym? or ball teams when most of its citizens were losing their farms and were hungry most of the time. There would have been a gathering in front of the courthouse and i'll guarantee that most would have had shotguns and rifles to run the officials out of town. Or there would have been a barrel out in front with ropes to tie and whip those individuals in the public square. Tar and feathers come to mind too.
The simple fact is this. The public has gotten so used to using stolen money to get things they want that they don't want to give up the Largess that they receive; forgetting that that largess is a millstone around the neck of each and every taxpayer, not just in Elk County but in EVERY county across the US. Unless we stop the money-flow from going to every tom dick and harry, we will not even have a county or a farm or a house to live in. You think its bad these days? Think again, this is a Sunday picnic compared to what it will be soon when the hyperinflation kicks in from USING TAXPAYER MONEY TO FUND EVERYTHING.
It is truly Amazing how people just sit back and allow the PTB to take their money. I saw a bit of spirit and fight in people last election when they tried to ramrod that 5 - 10 million dollar school bond (amounts still in question, never got the true cost), the people spoke and said enough! I applaud all of those who stood up at the polls. Now you got to be vigilant to keep them from sneaking another bond or some form of tax to try again. Make them stay in a budget.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 21, 2011, 06:09:02 AM
The REAL puppet master is the one who can tug one little string and get a whole lot of jumping around to occur...lol...Ross, you are so funny... ;D...I am just hoping this keeps up for another 100 pages...I've not had this much amusement in years!!
You still haven't stated to what purpose you'll put all this information that you supposedly so desperately need...You certainly haven't followed up on any of the leads you've been presented with so far...So...The real question here would have to be why you keep persisting? Narcissism has been suggested before...And I'd have to start agreeing at this point.
I don't believe for a minute there is anything funny about this subject, especially the Juvenile behavior of making fun of people because perhaps the puppet master says to. Nor is there anything amusing unless a person lacks the maturity to comprehend the subject.
The purpose is to bring your puppet master out in to the open. We are asking them to stop hiding, simple. Elk Konnected and Public Square Communities have stated goals of engaging the communities yet they won't do it. Why? When they refuse to become engaged.
I believe you are usiing the term on the wrong place, you see I am only here on this thread. I feel certain Elk Konnected is watching on this thread, and have stated they would use this web site and cable tv and have used the newspaper weekly and have used one Magazine. They have even improperly used the County Government web site. Why are they afraid to come out of the closet? It is Elk Konnected that is all over the place. They are on our County Commissioners Board, They are or will be on Our School board, They are on one communnities police force of one. What else are they going to infiltrate? What are their goals? If you think that is funny or humorous it's time to grow up.
I am not looking for leads, I am looking for answers. I'm looking for Elk Konnected to come out of the closet.
So do you know?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Do you have an intellegent answers?
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 07:01:30 AM
I wonder if maybe the reason no EKLLC members names are forthcoming is because they don't care to have them published in this manner. After all, their names are in the paper quite often.
Given the overt pride their followers continually express in the organization, I would think the owners would at least take a public bow in thanks for the blind adoration. 'Their' names are never directly associated with their ownership of the privately entity.
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 07:01:30 AM
...they are not being paid with taxpayer money. I can't see where anyone has the right to demand that their names be published on this forum.
I don't believe their personal compensation was ever at issue, and no demands have been made... only requests. Let's keep things in perspective.
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 07:01:30 AM
Janet, you are right. mea culpa. What a relief.
ATTENTION, EVERYONE!
I retract my request for the names of all the sheriff's department employees. They might not want their names out there in cyberspace. If they do, they can post them. I would still be interested in who all the employees are, though. Also, who the road department employees are. Those are the two largest Elk County departments that are being paid with taxpayer money. It would be nice to know just who is receiving it.
I wonder if maybe the reason no EKLLC members names are forthcoming is because they don't care to have them published in this manner. After all, their names are in the paper quite often. AND, they are not being paid with taxpayer money. I can't see where anyone has the right to demand that their names be published on this forum.
What right do people in hiding have in asking for and recieving taxpayers money and then denying they use taxpayers dollars. Read public Square Communities, LLC web site. It is a requirement to use taxpayers money to become accredited. Accredited means to join Public squares Private little club so you can keep paying them.
What right do people in hiding hve to claim credit in the newspaper for the Elk County Childrens Summer Day camp? What right do people in hiding have using our children as their tool and weapon?
Now why don't you ask them to come out of hiding. Transparency has it's power of it's own and it appears that is what Elk Konnected wants.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 21, 2011, 06:18:03 AM
Oh, I asked a county commissioner about this issue, just so you know. He is kind of related to me and you know what you could surely do the same and get the answers alot faster then you have gotten them off of this thread.
As I have told you in the past. You should seek his wisdom and advice. He possess's something College does not teach experience and honesty and the wisdom of age.
Appreciate the man.
Such a lot of words and still nothing to back up those words. If there is something going on that there should not be in this county, let's have it investigated and settled the right way, instead of with a lot of words.
By the way, the Elk County Commissioners do not have to confer with the taxpayers when making a decision. The fact that an organization decided to do that and then present their findings to the commissioners does not infer that someone else is running the county. And if there were, wouldn't that someone be a fairly new comer to the county? Or are you implying that an outsider is making our decisions? If so, who and how do you know?
Ross, the only people that the EKLLC is hiding from is you and people like you that make demands, insinuations, innuendoes, etc. ad nauseum.
Why don't you seek the advice and wisdom of talking to the people that can answer your questions instead of demanding answers here? Maybe because the answers are already here?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 21, 2011, 06:13:53 AM
I had to calm down a little before I replied to your down right rude manner of this comment. Just because I choose not to post the names of the people that I know that are members of Elk Konnected doesn't mean that I'm dumb. I choose to not say because I feel it is common curtiousy not to put names of people out there. I'm not hidding a thing, I went and got some of the information that you asked about and you can do the same. But you choose to want to get it from here, that's your choice and I don't think your dumb for doing it, maybe not the way I would choose to get information but that is your choice. And Teresa and her husband run this whole forum, you have no right to tell anyone to get off this thread. If they choose to read it it is their choice, and if they choose to comment it's their choice not yours. Just because some of us choice to not pin point names and have actually went and talked to people about the subject and questions that you have been asking, we are now dumb!! WOW!!
I could care less if you provide names or not. In fact I would prefer you don't.
What i want is Elk Konnected to come clean. I want Elk Konnected to engage the citizens of the county in a real conversation, no circle of chairs, no manipulator from out of county.
If you were to tell me some names, there would be no assurance they would be true. So no I don't want you to give me names. I want them to come out on their own behalf.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 07:51:10 AM
Ross, the only people that the EKLLC is hiding from is you and people like you that make demands, insinuations, innuendoes, etc. ad nauseum.
Admitting that they hide from open, non-facilitated public discussion & debate doesn't help make their case. In fact, it makes a strong case in favor of backroom dealing and top down control.
I also take it they have no regard for the majority of tax paying citizens, The very people they claim to be there for. Because without the taxpaying citizens there would be no communities.
amkes me believe
That makes me feel they are not interested in pulling communities together. They are only gathering one or two people from each community and therefore makes me believe they are attempting undermining the communities ciyt councils. I wish they would come forward and put that suspicion, feeling and worry to rest. After all they now have the Longton City Police Officer working for them on their steering committee.
So come on Elk Konnected put all this and other questions to rest and have a real conversation.
And don't forget you still have time to right that apology in the paper. Apologizing to the Elk County Commissioners and Elk County citizens and tax payers for taking credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp. You have time to step up to the ETHICAL plate.
Flint it is appropriate that you bring up Mc Carthy because he was right about the amount of communists that were working in congressmen's offices, clear up to cabinet offices.
Wikipedia should read the Venona Papers that name names of the communist infiltrators, before they put out such political left tripe. Then again they and Snopes are not friends of conservatives.
Quote from: Humpy on June 21, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
...he (McCarthy) was right about the amount of communists that were working in congressmen's offices, clear up to cabinet offices... Wikipedia should read the Venona Papers..
Perfect and valid observations, Humpy. Thank you.
It reminds us that ignoring a reality doesn't make that reality any less real.
By the way, can anybody tell us who's lawfully responsible for the decisions, actions and finances of Elk Konnected, LLC?
What insurance company protects the volunteers and kids participating in the functions on which they spend taxpayers money.
For that matter, who pays if someone falls and is hurt at a 'community conversation'? Or would that be the responsibility of Public Square Communities, LLC?
What you don't know can hurt you. Stay connected, citizens!
Quote from: Humpy on June 21, 2011, 11:02:27 AM
Flint it is appropriate that you bring up Mc Carthy because he was right about the amount of communists that were working in congressmen's offices, clear up to cabinet offices.
Wikipedia should read the Venona Papers that name names of the communist infiltrators, before they put out such political left tripe. Then again they and Snopes are not friends of conservatives.
Yes, because let us not forget that in the USA you are only permitted the political beliefs of the self appointed conservative. ::)
"self appointed conservative"? What the heck is that? I am just a down right, right wing constitutionalist.
My problem is with the way the progressives spin and re-write history .Not to mention just flat lie . Todays history is not the history I learned in government schools. I think Boortz had it right when he said the teachers union was a bigger threat than terrorists, to the freedom and survival of the US
I value the input of both sides not just the radical right. Ya can't have an exchange opinions if yours is the only one . But I sure got one. Do you Jerry?
Quote from: Humpy on June 21, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
Ya can't have an exchange opinions if yours is the only one.
I believe, this, in a nutshell, is why you have had Wilma, Flint, me and other moderates trying to lighten up the tone of this diatribe-ridden thread. All we have been asking is why the loudest voices on this thread have done nothing to contact all of the leads they've been given. You are sitting there, howling, kicking your legs and flailing your arms over the fact that no one from EK will openly engage you all in a meaningful conversation about what EK is, who EK is and where EK is headed.
Did it ever occur to any of you howling individuals that your approach negates their ability to be of any assistance to you? What normal, sane person, interested in saving themselves the castigation from your set, is going to open themselves up to the lot of you? If there is going to be a mature exchange of information and ideas, then the witch-hunt mentality has to stop. Period.
No, I don't know who it is that you want. But...Having dealt for decades with Elk Countians... ;D...I can assure you that your present manner will do nothing but send you back to the same mists of obscurity that you came from...With no more answers than you have presently.
Your choice.
Well said, Catwoman. This thread has been the biggest display of pure crap that has been on the Forum since it's beginning. Nothing but a witchhunt. They don't want answers that would end their witchhunt.
They are not hiding. They are choosing to not engage you in this manner on this forum and that is their right. What they do is quite public. Reports of their doings include names and are published in the paper. Is that hiding?
ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW?
MAYBE THE SHADOW KNOWS.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 21, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
diatribe
Are ya'all that larneded one rhat larned that thar big wurd from me. I's sory ta burdan ya wif that thar wurd.
But Iz can see ya'll don't read so well. Dem coledge degres are a waste huh?
We want them Elk konnected folks out in the open, and we know they area watching. did you read it before, did your read it now?
Elk Konnected needs to quit hidding. Then they might be able to grow, don't ya think. And then their followers won't have to be abusive of every one. Simple solution.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
You just made my case for me, Rosco.
Here's another big word for the closed-minded:
adnauseam
They are not hiding. They are just choosing to not engage with you in this manner on this forum. Their names appear in the paper. I don't call that hiding.
ARE YOU SURE THAT YOU WANT TO KNOW?
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
Forgive me, Shadow, but that question is just too good to not use.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 21, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
...Wilma, Flint, me and other moderates
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I think it must be the Elk Konnected way. The positive thing to do.
Positively put people down that do not agree with Elk Konnected, Is that the Elk Konnected way?
Is that what Elk Konnected believes. Isn't that why they put you in circles of chairs?
Isn't that why they won't let you sit with your loved ones and friends?
So they can put you down much eaiser if you gon't agree with them?
If it is not the Elk Konnected way why are Elk Konnected followers practicing it?
I am anxious to get my newspaper to see the apology from Ek Knnected for taking credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
Do they have the ethics to do the right thing??? We shall see.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Humpy on June 21, 2011, 02:17:50 PM
"self appointed conservative"? What the heck is that? I am just a down right, right wing constitutionalist.
My problem is with the way the progressives spin and re-write history .Not to mention just flat lie . Todays history is not the history I learned in government schools. I think Boortz had it right when he said the teachers union was a bigger threat than terrorists, to the freedom and survival of the US
I value the input of both sides not just the radical right. Ya can't have an exchange opinions if yours is the only one . But I sure got one. Do you Jerry?
LOL he would be your left wing ANTI-Constitutionalist there humpy
Quote from: Catwoman on June 21, 2011, 02:37:21 PM
All we have been asking is why the loudest voices on this thread have done nothing to contact all of the leads they've been given.
Did it ever occur to any of you howling individuals that your approach negates their ability to be of any assistance to you? What normal, sane person, interested in saving themselves the castigation from your set, is going to open themselves up to the lot of you? If there is going to be a mature exchange of information and ideas, then the witch-hunt mentality has to stop. Period.
Damn Cat you described the liberals to a T......
Maybe the Conservatives have to get up and get mouthy in order to get heard. Cause no one has paid them any attention before.
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2011, 04:28:19 PM
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ROTFLMAO
Yeah, ain't that something?
It seems like most liberals like to call themselves "moderates" and that's what they do here too.
Just a side trip... Is there an active TEA Party group here in Elk County. If not, maybe somebody should start a local chapter.
Any takers?
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2011, 05:42:57 PM
Just a side trip... Is there an active TEA Party group here in Elk County. If not, maybe somebody should start a local chapter.
Any takers?
Don't know. I pretty much am of libertarian viewpoint. Not purist but close enough.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 21, 2011, 06:14:53 PM
Don't know. I pretty much am of libertarian viewpoint. Not purist but close enough.
Steve, you could be head of the Greenwood County Tea Party, with Headquarters in Piedmont. I can see the the rallys now, with you on the stage to show how much love there is in the party you could kiss your Goat on Stage.
Quote from Patriot:
Just a side trip... Is there an active TEA Party group here in Elk County. If not, maybe somebody should start a local chapter.
Any takers?
I don't know if there is or not Patriot, but I heard there were people in Moline & Howard talking about forming one. That was several months back and I haven't heard anymore about it, but that doesn't mean they aren't moving forward with it.
ok so what happened to staying on topic?
From who are the members... to now tea baggers and starting a chapter?
LMAO.....now I am going to take MY meds! I actually thought I was following the thought processess until now.
Actually, the way this country and counties are acting....I may want to follow the membership....IF
we actually know who are the followers!
ready or not
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 21, 2011, 08:01:09 PM
ok so what happened to staying on topic?
From who are the members... to now tea baggers and starting a chapter?
Tea "baggers"? Hmmmmm. Are you really 'ready' to show those feathers?
Actually, TEA acts as a great fly repellant. See how well it's working?
Unfortunately, reading tea leaves won't tell us why EK seems to need a county employee doing their grant work.
Quote from: ELK@KC on June 21, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Steve, you could be head of the Greenwood County Tea Party, with Headquarters in Piedmont. I can see the the rallys now, with you on the stage to show how much love there is in the party you could kiss your Goat on Stage.
Whats the problem? YOu don't kiss your Goat?
My goats are a hell of a lot better company than most people. :) Lost her though a couple winters ago. She was pregnant caught pneumonia from the cold and she died real quick. Lost all her babies too she was almost due to kidd.
Goats have awesome personalities and are highly intellegent. Used to have one that would follow me everywhere, i never kept her penned up. she would come in and lay down and all the dogs would pile up next to her and take a sun nap.
Is she doing grants for EK or for Elk County? Seems to me that it is for the county since she reports to the county. If she were doing it for EKLLC, she wouldn't need to report her progress to the county commissioners, would she? You seem to be reaching here, trying to find something to criticize. Or is it the county employee you are criticizing? What's the matter? Want her job, or something? If you wanted a county job, why didn't you apply for the courthouse maintenance job?
ok, bear with me:
based on all I have read I have seen an honest question asked, some diversions, snarky comments, comedic relief and my true comment is:
One poster put it that it is a "witch hunt" or a a trial...which to me is an oxymoron.
Let's say for arguments sake that it is a trial for the Elk Konnected. Then, since Ross started the question, it woould be up to he to prove it.
Now, to use our English language as you all have so pontifically stated:
A trial: as in a 'trial run' imply an attempt to find out something or to find out about something.
Then, this thread is not worth merit of answering.
Not to say there is something 'fishy' in the drinking water.
just my Honest oponion.
feathers are now ready lol
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 08:45:58 PM
Is she doing grants for EK or for Elk County? Seems to me that it is for the county since she reports to the county. If she were doing it for EKLLC, she wouldn't need to report her progress to the county commissioners, would she?
Grants obtained by the county that were earmarked and titled "Elk Konnected". This was detailed earlier. Sorry you missed it.
Sorry you missed the essence of question, too...
Why is the county paying someone to get county grants for EK use? Why can't EK get their own grants?
Wilma: I realize that with the onset of your years you probably don't remember from day to day and write yourself little notes as reminders. Did you not at any time, read Patriot's post, his resume more or less, on his life? And you want to give him a janitor job? How becoming of you! Intelligent doesn't even begin to describe this man! Maybe with your past experience you could get a job working at Walmart. They do from time to time hire door greeters. Stop sucking the system dry with the money I am paying in to the government and start putting yourself out there are a useful figure in society. ---MR. KSH
Ouch! >:(
double ouch....ks wow! ???
Wilma, I sincerely apologize for what you are being put through. Ignore the bullying and keep up the good work.
Cat
Quote from: Catwoman on June 21, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
Wilma, I sincerely apologize for what you are being put through. Ignore the bullying and keep up the good work.
Lordy! Don't just apologize. Stop putting her through it.
Quote from: Ross on June 21, 2011, 04:46:41 AM
Would the following people please go start a new thread to impress each other.
Because you are not impressing anyone on this thread.
flintauqua
Wilma
Catwoman
Janet Harrington
So, Ross, are you the owner of the thread? Are you the owner of the forum? Are you saying that you want to censor what we write and where we write it? You, sir, are so funny.
Patriot: I sincerely want to apologize for what you are being put through. I know you are just seeking answers as are many others! Ignore the bullying and keep up the good work!
Mr. KSH
Quote from: Ross on June 21, 2011, 04:49:14 AM
Most ot those you have listed would be non supporters of Elk Konnected, right?
I have no idea if these people are non-supporters of Elk Konnected or not. I just posted the names that were in the minutes of the county commissioners for that day that were published in The Praire Star. You would have to ask all those people yourself. All I was doing was pointing out to Wilma that she did not read the story correctly. Wow.
I reiterate:
based on all I have read I have seen an honest question asked, some diversions, snarky comments, comedic relief and my true comment is:
One poster put it that it is a "witch hunt" or a a trial...which to me is an oxymoron.
Let's say for arguments sake that it is a trial for the Elk Konnected. Then, since Ross started the question, it woould be up to he to prove it.
Now, to use our English language as you all have so pontifically stated:
A trial: as in a 'trial run' imply an attempt to find out something or to find out about something.
Then, this thread is not worth merit of answering.
Not to say there is something 'fishy' in the drinking water.
just my Honest oponion.
feathers are now ready lol
I do believe that Ross was told to shut the hell up already by Flint...Are you the owner of this forum? Do you censor what he can say and not say? Wow. I thought Teresa was the owner and we all are just guests on her forum. I believe she decides who to censor and who to remove from the forum. Please feel free to start your own forum so you can be free to censor it and run it the way you want. I'm sure it would be very exciting with its' one way thinking and its' socialist agenda. ---Mr. KSH
::)
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
And I remember Teresa making a post on this thread just a few days ago stating her position.
So, who are the admitted members that have personal liability protection by virtue of their membership in the limited liability company called Elk Konnected?
wow passive agressive if I ever saw one! :-\
Passive-aggressive and bullying, to boot...You betcha.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 21, 2011, 08:30:33 PM
Whats the problem? YOu don't kiss your Goat?
My goats are a hell of a lot better company than most people. :) Lost her though a couple winters ago. She was pregnant caught pneumonia from the cold and she died real quick. Lost all her babies too she was almost due to kidd.
Goats have awesome personalities and are highly intellegent. Used to have one that would follow me everywhere, i never kept her penned up. she would come in and lay down and all the dogs would pile up next to her and take a sun nap.
I think goats are the cutest creatures. (After my dog, of course.) I wish I did have land somewhere because I would raise goats, cattle, chickens, hogs, a garden. How lucky you all are that are able to have land where you can do that.
Passive-aggressive: Pertaining to behavior in which feelings of aggression are expressed in passive ways as, for example, by stubbornness, sullenness, procrastination, or intentional inefficiency.
I'd say that's a concise description of all you peaches... ;D
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 21, 2011, 09:23:50 PM
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected.
Any answers?
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 21, 2011, 09:39:19 PM
Any answers?
Armchair psychiatrists. What next, forum generated scripts from you nuts for psychotropics from the Howard pharmacy?
I'm with you, KHS.... Any
relevant answers?
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 21, 2011, 09:03:13 PM
Wilma: I realize that with the onset of your years you probably don't remember from day to day and write yourself little notes as reminders. Did you not at any time, read Patriot's post, his resume more or less, on his life? And you want to give him a janitor job? How becoming of you! Intelligent doesn't even begin to describe this man! Maybe with your past experience you could get a job working at Walmart. They do from time to time hire door greeters. Stop sucking the system dry with the money I am paying in to the government and start putting yourself out there are a useful figure in society. ---MR. KSH
Mr. Robert Walker, You have opened yourself up. Oh my gosh. My mother is supported by my dad's pension, my dad's social security, and her social security. She is not on social security disability, she is not on Medicaid, she does not draw money for food (used to be called food stamps). She is on a limited income, kind of like you are because you work for the county. You really don't want to go this route, do you? You, who work for Elk County on the road department, which by the way, is paid for by...ELK COUNTY TAXPAYERS. Now, before you get yourself all uptight and bent out of shape, I realize that, you, too, are a taxpayer. You may pay more taxes by yourself than my husband and I, my mother, my two sisters, and my niece and her husband, do. If you do, good for you. So, in a way, you are also working for yourself. And, just so you don't get to thinking that I think you are paid too much for working as a county road employee, I know that you are not. None of the road employees get paid enough. None. Never have and never will unless the county commissioners wake up and try to keep quality employees here by paying them more.
I used to have citizens tell me all the time, "I pay your salary." Well, you know what, when I worked for the county, I paid my salary, too.
Happy day.
Thanks for reminding me Patriot! I forgot to take my Risperdal before bedtime! It helps me to function in society! ;)
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 21, 2011, 09:19:50 PM
I do believe that Ross was told to shut the hell up already by Flint...Are you the owner of this forum? Do you censor what he can say and not say? Wow. I thought Teresa was the owner and we all are just guests on her forum. I believe she decides who to censor and who to remove from the forum. Please feel free to start your own forum so you can be free to censor it and run it the way you want. I'm sure it would be very exciting with its' one way thinking and its' socialist agenda. ---Mr. KSH
I am thinking that you are pointing this at me, so what I will say is, I will continue to post on this thread whatever I want and when I want. When the owners tell me enough, then we will discuss it.
As for Teresa censoring anything, I know that she will not. She believes in free speech and free expression. If she wants to remove me, she will.
I didn't tell Flint to tell Ross to shut up. However; Flint has the right to say what he wants to say and Ross has the right to say what he wants to say. I sure hope everyone is clear about that.
KS...You might need to up your meds... ;D
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 21, 2011, 09:58:20 PM
None of the road employees get paid enough. None. Never have and never will unless the county commissioners wake up and try to keep quality employees here by paying them more.
Which brings us full circle to county management, budgeting and funds handed out for extra curricular activities in lieu of better wages for good employees.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2011, 08:54:28 PM
IfYes, Janet. Joe Love used to be a Deputy but is now working maintenance for the Courthouse. We lost a damn good deputy in Deputy Love but we wish him the best in his future endeavors!
Never said he wasn't a good deputy.
The only medication I need to "up", Cat, is my dramamine every time I read your posts.
Janet: I never said that you never said he wasn't a good deputy. LOL I was just mentioning to everyone our take on Joe Love. Damn fine man and deputy!
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2011, 08:57:10 PM
Why is the county paying someone to get county grants for EK use? Why can't EK get their own grants?
Why can't EK LLC get Public Square Communities, LLC, to write their grants for them? Anyone?
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2011, 10:03:51 PM
Which brings us full circle to county management, budgeting and funds handed out for extra curricular activities in lieu of better wages for good employees.
LOL, Patriot. This is the first thing that you have written that I agree with. This county has never paid good wages. I don't know what anyone gets paid anymore, but, I will be learning that information soon. I just know that in all my years, we fought for every single dime that we could get. Not just the sheriff's office, all the employees.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 21, 2011, 03:06:37 PM
Here's another big word for the closed-minded:
adnauseam
Gosh. Quit using such big words. I always have to look them up to see what they mean.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 21, 2011, 10:11:52 PM
LOL, Patriot. This is the first thing that you have written that I agree with.
If you'll read my writings carefully, I bet you'll find more than one thing we agree on. Piss poor management is a cancerous thing and likely effects more than just payroll priorities. But shhhhhhhh.... there are those here that think I'm a radical nutcase with a sick agenda... don't want you found guilty by association.
Have I ever written that I disagree with you? No, I don't think so. The only thing I have done is try to rile you up by being obnoxious.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 21, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
Have I ever written that I disagree with you? No, I don't think so.
And I never said that you had.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 21, 2011, 10:25:03 PM
The only thing I have done is try to rile you up by being obnoxious.
And you do a mighty fine job of it..... being obnoxious, that is. ;D
But, do we yet know who owns EK LLC?
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2011, 10:29:14 PM
And you do a mighty fine job of it..... being obnoxious, that is. ;D
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :angel: :angel: :angel: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: srkruzich on June 21, 2011, 05:27:22 PM
Maybe the Conservatives have to get up and get mouthy in order to get heard. Cause no one has paid them any attention before.
I think you've hit on something here, Steve. For years, the liberal progressive agenda has been advancing opposed by a very limited segment of the broader (and conservative leaning) population at large. Government led social engineering, big spending/big government proponents and empire building bureaucrats have led us to the brink. While necessary infrastructures collapse, big government spending on everything from daycare centers in high schools to taxpayer funding of every whim of the moochers in society (like cell phones for the 'underprivileged') and strangling regulation of everything under the sun (like cooking oils and salt in our food). Now we have reached a breaking point, and the core population have looked up from their quiet apathy to find their country in a total mess.
Now, that old 'silent majority' is angry. The trust they placed in their leaders seems misplaced and has been abused. Egged on by special interests and the 'squeaky wheels'. The rise of the people shows across the country, from TEA party movements to local citizens who have the audacity to question local government activities. And the elitist, liberal left, 'free money', buy now-pay later, top down control class really hate the fact they are being called out. Like spoiled children being told it's bedtime garnished with all the attendant temper tantrums.
As gradpa once said, "When you've been pushed too far into a corner, try to reason. But if reason won't work, pick up the nearest equalizer and take back that which is your's.". I think that's happening today.
And it's happening right here in River City.... with a shrinking population, blown out government budget, local debt at some 50% of revenues (and growing), continued borrowing, paying interest on interest, weak county infrastructure, a seeming addiction to 'free' grant monies, and more, one has to loudly ask, "Who's been driving the bus, and when is the status quo going to change?".
Can we all be civil and polite.
If you are going to tell me to shutup would you be polite enough to say please. Thank You.
If you want to tell me to go away be pollite and say please. Thank you.
If you don't like this thread, please enjoy one of the other 150 threads on this forum. Thank you.
You have told us this thread is boring and silly and everything else trying to run us off.
Please don't waste any of your time. I believe you are educated enough to know that we are going nowhere.
Thank you, thank you. thank you,
Thank you, thank you. thank you.
In the mean time.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Patriot,
Years ago when i questioned my Dad about why everyone was so upset bout queers coming out of the closet, and i said why don't eveyrone just ignore them. His wise replay was, if we ignore them, they will eventually grow big enough and scream loud enough that they will take control and get their way and make their lifestyle CHOICE acceptable in society. He was right. He referenced the other time the conservatives were silent and ignored a group of people. That was when they legalized abortion. He said everyone said nahh it can't happen in the United States. People in the US have morals. Sadly the conservatives were wrong. They found out quickly and with great shock that the morals had gone to hell.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 22, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
Patriot,
Years ago when i questioned my Dad about why everyone was so upset bout queers coming out of the closet, and i said why don't eveyrone just ignore them. His wise replay was, if we ignore them, they will eventually grow big enough and scream loud enough that they will take control and get their way and make their lifestyle CHOICE acceptable in society. He was right. He referenced the other time the conservatives were silent and ignored a group of people. That was when they legalized abortion. He said everyone said nahh it can't happen in the United States. People in the US have morals. Sadly the conservatives were wrong. They found out quickly and with great shock that the morals had gone to hell.
Wow.... that's backwards.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 22, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
Patriot,
Years ago when i questioned my Dad about why everyone was so upset bout queers coming out of the closet, and i said why don't eveyrone just ignore them. His wise replay was, if we ignore them, they will eventually grow big enough and scream loud enough that they will take control and get their way and make their lifestyle CHOICE acceptable in society. He was right. He referenced the other time the conservatives were silent and ignored a group of people. That was when they legalized abortion. He said everyone said nahh it can't happen in the United States. People in the US have morals. Sadly the conservatives were wrong. They found out quickly and with great shock that the morals had gone to hell.
I do believe you have hit the nail right on the head. That's what we are talking about right here at home. We need to be more people to be alert. We need more people going to county commissioners meetings and school board meetings. We need people to speak up at these meetings when it needs to be done, not when it's to late.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Has anyone seen the newspaper yet?
Did Elk Konnected do the ethical thing and apologize for
taking credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: jerry wagner on June 22, 2011, 12:26:01 PM
Wow.... that's backwards.
I'lll tell you one thing Jerry,, Your ass couldn't begin to fill that mans shoes! He was by far smarter and wiser than you ever will be and You haven't even got a chance at catching up to his legacy.
The man was a REAL PATRIOT and you couldn't find a more Honest or Honorable man on the face of this earth!
Quote from: srkruzich on June 22, 2011, 03:12:52 PM
...PATRIOT...
Careful, I've been told that word is inflammatory. ;D
Is it liberalism or conservativeism that got our country where is is today?
Banks operating with paper and nothing backing it but more paper.
Mortgages backed by nothing. Home prices driven sky high by the system to generate more
worthless money.
$500,000 mortgages provided for single mothers earning minimum wage, why?
Then all that paper turned into worthless investments?
And now all the stimulus money not once but twice, making our money worth even less.
Quantum Easing, yea fancy words for running the printing press.
Make it sound even better by calling it QE-1 and QE-2.
The fed just said there may not be a QE-3.
It's time to watch because I've been reading they are trying to think up another name to call the stimulus money.
Oh, I think they will print more money with a new name.
In my opinion most all of this is taking place because of a few controlling from their hiding place.
Today the Fed issued an update to its economic projections. The bankers lowered their target for economic growth and raised their forecast for the unemployment rate.
Are things looking good for spending a lot of money?
Should a person even consider spending money they may get in the near future?
Just a couple of things to think about.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
JUST Talked to a gal today that spends time overseas. She said and i quote... When you go to china, japan or singapore and try to buy with US dollars they laugh at you and tell you not a chance that the dollar is worthless. You have to go to a NATIONAL bank in the country and exchange it. Local banks there will not exchange for the same reason.
Now this is just now happening, as last year before november everyone took US dollars. The reason is that berneke printed 800 billion of worthless currency. Claimed it would jumpstart our economy. I call BULL**** it did NOTHING but as we see today INFLATE our prices and devalued our dollar. Time to string the fool up! Hmm Patriot we might ought to take up a collection for a vat of tar....and everyone who has chickens, save your feathers! Your gonna wanna use them.
Man i wish we still did the tar and feathering. It was very effective back then
It was GREED that got us where we are today and UNFORTUNATELY GREED is an equal opportunity politically...............just as many of those back-room thieves were "good conservative republicans" as were "liberal socialist whatevers" and anybody who thinks different is both STUPID and DELUDED.
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Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 22, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
It was GREED that got us where we are today and UNFORTUNATELY GREED is an equal opportunity politically...............just as many of those back-room thieves were "good conservative republicans" as were "liberal socialist whatevers" and anybody who thinks different is both STUPID and DELUDED.
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Ok EVeryone, DON'T panic. This rarely happens ever but.... I agree Pam. This particular greed isn't about oil or anything else but it is about power. THe power to destroy governments and usher in a One world government.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 22, 2011, 05:12:17 PM
And you're lecturing Jerry about HIS lack of couth or class? OMG...
You really think your one to speak?
Jerrys a two bit sissy boy that left town owing everyone and their brother. The best thing that happened to howard is that he left. As far as how i am? I'm too old to care anymore. I'll tell you like i see it and if you don't like it i don't give a damn. Am i clear enough on that? And I have better class than anyone who would talk ill about the dead. I don't even cross that line and i've crossed a lot of lines in my life.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 22, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
It was GREED that got us where we are today and UNFORTUNATELY GREED is an equal opportunity politically...............just as many of those back-room thieves were "good conservative republicans" as were "liberal socialist whatevers" and anybody who thinks different is both STUPID and DELUDED.
Oh, Do you know who is pulling the strings from their hiding place behind closed doors? Do you know their puppet master?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Ross, is that a side by side or an over and under you're firing from today?
Ross you poor sad onetrack minded person you.......................................................
Now, you can't hold it against him...You can't ask more of people than they're capable of doing.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 22, 2011, 05:26:15 PM
You can't ask more of people than they're capable of doing.
Isn't that true of EVERYONE?
Has anyone noticed the time on the Forum is four and a half minutes ahead of internet time?
Must be all the forward thinking that goes on here.
LOL...Oh, Flint...
Forum time and my time is the same....Maybe you are just behind?
The forum time says 6:46 and the weather channel time says 6:42. You do the math.
Wooohoooo!!!! Elk County has moved ahead, in spite of itself!!! lol
Gosh golly gee! Does no one have the same time on this forum? Maybe we should have Elk County apply for a grant to do research to find out why! Then when the great mystery is solved, Elk Konnected could swoop in and take credit for solving the problem!!
You mean maybe I can apply for a grant to have the time changed on here?? Wonder if that will buy me a bucket of fried chicken.. I'm starving!! ( probably be too late before I see any money.. Hell.. I'll be all dried up skin and bones by then.. ;D
I don't need you to change the time on here...It's the exact same time as my alarm clock and watch. So I'm good.
Quote from: Teresa on June 22, 2011, 05:59:56 PM
You mean maybe I can apply for a grant to have the time changed on here?? Wonder if that will buy me a bucket of fried chicken.. I'm starving!! ( probably be too late before I see any money.. Hell.. I'll be all dried up skin and bones by then.. ;D
Maybe this could help:
Gov. Brownback, Treasury Department announce $13.2 million to help small business
Gov. Sam Brownback and the U.S. Department of the Treasury announced today $13.2 million in State Small Business Credit Initiative (SSBCI) funding to help create new, private sector jobs. The SSBCI program, which supports state-level, small business lending programs, is part of the Small Business Jobs Act signed into law last fall.
The planned use of the SSBCI funds by Kansas also will help spur more than $132 million in new private lending in the state. Kansas expects to generate a minimum of $10 in new private lending for every $1 in federal funding.
"This program gives Kansas another tool to help us grow the state's economy and create jobs," Brownback said. "I'm especially pleased to have another way to give small businesses in Kansas a boost as they work to make themselves successful."
"Small businesses often struggle with the capital they need to gain a solid footing and become successful ventures," said Kansas Commerce Secretary Pat George. "This program will help strengthen those businesses, so they can eventually expand and contribute to job growth."
The plan approved by Kansas dedicates $10.5 million to the Kansas Capital Multiplier Loan Fund, which provides matching funds through approved network partners to eligible businesses in communities across Kansas. The Kansas Department of Commerce will work in collaboration with the Kansas Center for Entrepreneurship, more commonly known as NetWork Kansas, and its partner network. Entrepreneurs and existing small businesses access this fund by working closely with local or regional financial institutions, NetWork Kansas partners and angel investment networks.
Kansas also intends to allocate approximately $2.6 million to the Kansas Capital Multiplier Venture Fund, which helps spur new capital investments for second stage businesses. Entrepreneurs and existing small businesses access this fund by working closely with local or regional financial institutions, NetWork Kansas partners and angel investment networks.
Under the State Small Business Credit Initiative, all states are offered the opportunity to apply for federal funds for state-run programs that partner with private lenders to increase the amount of credit available to small businesses. States must demonstrate a reasonable expectation that a minimum of $10 in new private lending will result from every $1 in federal funding. Accordingly, the overall $1.5 billion federal funding commitment for this program is expected to result in at least $15 billion in additional private lending nationwide.
For more information about the SSBCI, please visit Treasury's website, http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sb-programs/Pages/ssbci.aspx. For more information on the Kansas Capital Multiplier Loan Fund and Kansas Capital Multiplier Venture Fund, please visit the NetWork Kansas website, www.NetworkKansas.com.
http://www.kansascommerce.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=207
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 22, 2011, 05:07:39 PM
It was GREED that got us where we are today and UNFORTUNATELY GREED is an equal opportunity politically...............just as many of those back-room thieves were "good conservative republicans" as were "liberal socialist whatevers" and anybody who thinks different is both STUPID and DELUDED.
Quote from: Ross on June 22, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Oh, Do you know who is pulling the strings from their hiding place behind closed doors? Do you know their puppet master?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 22, 2011, 05:13:24 PM
Ok EVeryone, DON'T panic. This rarely happens ever but.... I agree Pam. This particular greed isn't about oil or anything else but it is about power. THe power to destroy governments and usher in a One world government.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 22, 2011, 05:21:44 PM
Ross, is that a side by side or an over and under you're firing from today?
So you don't know who is pulling the strings from their hiding place behind closed doors? Are you saying you don't know their puppet master?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 22, 2011, 05:24:20 PM
Ross you poor sad onetrack minded person you.......................................................
Just wat do you think this thread is about????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Ross on June 22, 2011, 06:34:55 PM
Who steers the steering committee?
Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2011, 06:01:27 PM
DOES THE SHADOW KNOW?
I know many things Ms. Wilma. Many things. I just choose to not let all of the cats out of their bags yet.
The Shadow KNOWS!
Quote from: Wilma on June 21, 2011, 03:08:18 PM
Forgive me, Shadow, but that question is just too good to not use.
It is a very good phrase to use, young Ms. Wilma. That is why
I use it. Don't you have an idea for your
own catch phrase? I will think of one for you and get back with you.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 22, 2011, 06:59:16 PM
Oscar Zoroaster Phadrig Isaac Norman Henkel Emmannuel Ambroise Diggs
Is that what you call elk Konnected these days.
Well, I can't argue with you?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your OZ?
What are your real goals?
Quote from Teresa
You mean maybe I can apply for a grant to have the time changed on here?? Wonder if that will buy me a bucket of fried chicken.. I'm starving!! ( probably be too late before I see any money.. Hell.. I'll be all dried up skin and bones by then..
Hell Blondie, if you're hungry come on down to the Bam Bam club. I will sell you a bucket of cold beer and a mug of hot wings !!
I heard that EK was going to team up with ECCEF so donations could be made tax deductible to EK through the ECCEF.
How does that work exactly?
Teresa, dont worry about the time on my account. I am just an old lady with nothing else to do. How much difference can four minutes make?
Banks operating with paper and nothing backing it but more paper.
Mortgages backed by nothing. Home prices driven sky high by the system to generate more
worthless money.
$500,000 mortgages provided for single mothers earning minimum wage, why?
Then all that paper turned into worthless investments?
And now all the stimulus money not once but twice, making our money worth even less.
Quantum Easing, yea fancy words for running the printing press.
Make it sound even better by calling it QE-1 and QE-2.
The fed just said there may not be a QE-3.
It's time to watch because I've been reading they are trying to think up another name to call the stimulus money.
Oh, I think they will print more money with a new name.
In my opinion most all of this is taking place because of a few controlling from their hiding place.
Today the Fed issued an update to its economic projections. The bankers lowered their target for economic growth and raised their forecast for the unemployment rate.
Are things looking good for spending a lot of money?
Should a person even consider spending money they may get in the near future? Just a couple of things to think about.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Ross, I fear you may be at risk of developing carpal tunnel syndrome. You seem to be doing a lot of repetitive typing. ;D
I've been reading this thread, and I find it so interesting that so many people are on complete opposite ends of the spectrum when it comes to local vs national politics. Patriot is a perfect example. In one post, he said he opposes people in government who use their positions to enrich themselves and their friends/families. Yet when it comes to national politics, he supports republicans, amazing!
In reference to the time posted on the forum, I have to tell you it took me FOREVER to find this time you were talking about. LOL Anyway, my computer is 4 minutes behind the forum time. My cell phone shows the same as my computer. I guess it really doesn't matter. It is strange, though.
[quote author=
thatsMRSc2u link=topic=11780.msg165777#msg165777 date=1308784059]
It was GREED that got us where we are today and UNFORTUNATELY GREED is an equal opportunity politically...............just as many of those back-room thieves were "good conservative republicans" as were "liberal socialist whatevers" and anybody who thinks different is both STUPID and DELUDED.[/quote]
Quote from: Ross on June 22, 2011, 05:18:49 PM
Oh, Do you know who is pulling the strings from their hiding place behind closed doors? Do you know their puppet master?
[quote author=
flintauqua link=topic=11780.msg165784#msg165784 date=1308784904]
Ross, is that a side by side or an over and under you're firing from today? [/quote]
Quote from: Ross on June 22, 2011, 06:23:59 PM
So you don't know who is pulling the strings from their hiding place behind closed doors? Are you saying you don't know their puppet master?
[quote author=
flintauqua link=topic=11780.msg165825#msg165825 date=1308798095]
Ross, I fear you may be at risk of developing carpal tunnel syndrome. You seem to be doing a lot of repetitive typing. ;D
[/quote]
Not to worry, it's called copy and past. I'm fine. Quote from: Ross on June 22, 2011, 08:54:15 PM
In my opinion most all of this is taking place because of a few controlling from their hiding place.
Today the Fed issued an update to its economic projections. The bankers lowered their target for economic growth and raised their forecast for the unemployment rate.
Are things looking good for spending a lot of money?
Should a person even consider spending money they may get in the near future?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Anmar, Patriot does not appear to be Republican on any level. However you've said that you like Ron Paul and Keynesian economics. Ron Paul is not Keynesian or liberal, yet about all Republicans are Keynesian.
Wouldn't you say that your beliefs are more in line with Abe Lincoln than Jeff Davis?
Ross.............. ::)
Red..............double ::)
LOL... ::)
Well, I finally got my newspaper and guess what?
Elk Konnected is still taking credit forthe
Elk County Summer Day Camp.Even after admission at the Elk County commissioners Meeting that it was Elk County
that acquired the funds to finance it and that our
Elk County Youth Development Coordinator is running the
Elk County Summer Day Camp.
Is that a good example of couth and ethics and morals?
Is that a good example for our children?
Please show me where?
Tell me are true volunteers helping with the day camp or people being paid to help.
How much are they paying the help, I hear $9.75 an hour?
Is that a good example of couth and ethics and morals?
Is that a good example for our children?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Word for the day:
aspersion
Flint, I told you to stop that. Now I have to look up another word. Dang it.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 23, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
Word for the day:
aspersion
ASPERSION
1
: a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2
a : a false or misleading charge meant to harm someone's reputation <cast aspersions on her integrity> b : the act of making such a charge : defamation
One of them fits anyway.
I have an extreme aversion to those darned aspersions... ;D
Quote from: flintauqua on June 23, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
Word for the day:
aspersion
How about a list of words for the day:
Morals
Ethics
Values
Couth
Quality
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 23, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
ASPERSION
1
: a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2
a : a false or misleading charge meant to harm someone's reputation <cast aspersions on her integrity> b : the act of making such a charge : defamation
My dictionary has a third:
3. a damaging or disparaging remark; slander through innuendo
Quote from: Ross on June 23, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
How about a list of words for the day:
Morals
Ethics
Values
Couth
Quality
Yep, those words all describe attributes of the people I know that are associated with Elk Konnected, in various capacities.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 23, 2011, 03:24:39 PM
ASPERSION
1
: a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2
a : a false or misleading charge meant to harm someone's reputation <cast aspersions on her integrity> b : the act of making such a charge : defamation
Is someone being baptised?
Again Mr. Ross, you are repeating bogus information. The kids helping with day camp are getting minimum wage. I reported this to you a while back, but again it wasn't what you wanted to hear...so you have chosen to ignor the truth.
Who are the watchers and how do they fit with the ECCEF??
"watchers?"
This ought to be interesting...
A better question might be, "Who decorates for ECCEF and calls themselves Witch Watchers"?
LOL... ;)...Pat, you're so funny... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on June 23, 2011, 07:13:44 PM
LOL... ;)...Pat, you're so funny... ;D
We'll see. Do you happen to know?
As has been stated before, no, Pat...I don't. Even if I did, WHICH I DON'T, I wouldn't out anyone without their permission...And whomever it is that you're looking for has been fairly explicit in their silence. Luckily, the same laws that guarantee you and the rest of your minions freedom of speech also guarantee others the right to silence. Gods, I love America...One of the few places on earth where you can waste 140+ pages of space, harping on the same tired subject and keeping that ball rolling just by jerking a few chains... ;D...Life is a tragedy to those who feel...And an unending comedy to those who think. ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on June 23, 2011, 07:25:59 PM
As has been stated before, no, Pat...I don't. Even if I did, WHICH I DON'T, I wouldn't out anyone without their permission...Gods, I love America...
Interesting turn of phrase.
Please notice... the question I posed was new & totally unrelated to anything asked before.
I have no clue what the question means.
Me either...So, I'll adjust my blonde wig and just ask...What on earth are you trying ask now, Pat?
Quote from: Patriot on June 23, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
Who are the watchers and how do they fit with the ECCEF??
Who are the watchers? Watching what? In what context? Are you referring to those of us watching you and a select few others? Or are you referring to yourselves as you lurk offline, "hidden", reading until you decide to answer?
QuoteOne of the few places on earth where you can waste 140+ pages of space, harping on the same tired subject and keeping that ball rolling just by jerking a few chains
and yet you just keep coming back with no answers.
Obviously the members WON"T state their names, and the ones that know, won't give them up without permission.
stalemate anyone until further notice?
and why would the Elk Konnected apologize for taking credit? They haven't done anything wrong in their eyes?
ready
Does Elk County care who is getting "credit" for the camp? Have there been any complaints from the county proper? Why is it an issue? Is it important?
You see that would be 'dirty laundry' for the county, of which people don't want to shed a bad light upon it's own fine and upstanding peoples......then again, if there is nothing to hide, then put your ;aundry on the line.
However, it has been rumored that this is not the place to discuss ethical behavior.
The questions, however are still within validation asking as a taxpayer.
ready
QuoteDoes Elk County care who is getting "credit" for the camp?
It has been my upbringing, that you give credit where credit is due, not to build a reputation or a portfolio.
ready
Quote from: Catwoman on June 23, 2011, 07:45:12 PM
Who are the watchers? Watching what? In what context?
That's what I ask. That would be nice to know. ECCEF.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 23, 2011, 07:45:12 PM
Are you referring to those of us watching you and a select few others? Or are you referring to yourselves as you lurk offline, "hidden", reading until you decide to answer?
No and no.
I guess I'm lost. Is ECCEF now under questioning also? What are they supposed to explain?
The ECCEF (Elk County Council for Economic something-or-other)? Isn't that the group that for years was trying to bring economic development to Elk County, only to be stymied by one or two who had an obsessive need for control? But, once that inhibitor was gone, it seemed like that particular council was starting to have the chance to really do some good. Or do I have it confused with some other council?
Elk County Community and education foundation i believe
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 23, 2011, 07:47:47 PM
and yet you just keep coming back with no answers.
Obviously the members WON"T state their names, and the ones that know, won't give them up without permission.
for now.
The Elk County Community and Education Foundation
http://www.faqs.org/tax-exempt/KS/Elk-Conty-Community-And-Education-Foundation.html
If I'm not mistaken, that's the group that will be taking donations for Elk Konnected, so the donations are tax deductible. I think that was in the paper recently.
But that's not the question or the answer.
QuoteIf I'm not mistaken, that's the group that will be taking donations for Elk Konnected, so the donations are tax deductible. I think that was in the paper recently.
But that's not the question or the answer.
That would be a fact, unless you are mistaken. ;D
lol ;)
ECCEF was at the end of one of the posts and I just wondered why if they don't have anything to do with the EK issue.
Quote from catwoman:
Or are you referring to yourselves as you lurk offline, "hidden", reading until you decide to answer?
Damn Patriot,
I think you have a stalker in your fan club
Perhaps someone should ask lady and lord who the watchers are.
Lord and Lady who? You mean there's been landed aristocracy living in Elk County and I moved before I could get their autograph? lol
But who are the Witch Watchers? And what's their connection to ECCEF?
I give up.I have no idea what you are talking about. Going to bed.Goodnight
Column 2 Entry 28. Just seemed a bit out of place. Maybe Catwoman can check with her gods for the answer.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2985922840102590652bZEtxb (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2985922840102590652bZEtxb)
Who are the Witch Watchers?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 23, 2011, 02:28:05 PM
Word for the day:
aspersion
Quote from: Ross on June 23, 2011, 03:45:16 PM
How about a list of words for the day:
Morals
Ethics
Values
Couth
Quality
Quote from: flintauqua on June 23, 2011, 03:48:09 PM
Yep, those words all describe attributes of the people I know that are associated with Elk Konnected, in various capacities.
May I ask how, when the owners, admitted members won't come out into the open? And again I am not asking about the followers.
And may I ask how when Elk Konnected keeps taking credit for the work of Elk County Government's work putting together the Elk County Summer Day Camp?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 23, 2011, 03:45:50 PM
My dictionary has a third:
3. a damaging or disparaging remark; slander through innuendo
Would this qualify as such?Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2011, 09:37:51 AM
This Cat is staying inside today, where there is air conditioning!!!!!!!! lol Hope your day is going as well, Wilma?
And Ross...Get a life!! My God...As much time as you spend on here, you must have absolutely nothing better to do with your time. Yes, we all see you. Yes, you're pretty. Now...Leave off.
And I am saying all of this in only the kindest way possible...You really need to quit perseverating on this. It's just not healthy.
Have a wonderful weekend hopefully doing something else other than constantly repeating yourself...
Cat :D
Definition of INNUENDO
1a: an oblique allusion : hint, insinuation; especially: a veiled or equivocal reflection on character or reputation b: the use of such allusions <resorting to innuendo>
2: a parenthetical explanation introduced into the text of a legal document
Now just how does that qpply to direct questions?
This is not a legal document, there are no insuations, just questions about an organization that claims to want to do for the citizens of this fine county. An organization that claimed it would use this forum to communicate.
Quote from: Patriot on June 23, 2011, 09:26:49 PM
Column 2 Entry 28. Just seemed a bit out of place. Maybe Catwoman can check with her gods for the answer.
http://family.webshots.com/photo/2985922840102590652bZEtxb (http://family.webshots.com/photo/2985922840102590652bZEtxb)
Who are the Witch Watchers?
Listen, you knucklehead...I am a Catholic. I and my house serve the Christ, the Risen Lord. The expression I used was just that...An expression. Leave off.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 23, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
Does Elk County care who is getting "credit" for the camp? Have there been any complaints from the county proper? Why is it an issue? Is it important?
This taxpayer citizen does. The subject was brought up at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting by a lady who cared.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 23, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
Why is it an issue?
Principles, ethics, morals
Definition of MORAL
of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ethical <moral judgments>
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 23, 2011, 07:53:40 PM
Is it important?
mo·rale
[muh-ral]
emotional or mental condition with respect to cheerfulness, confidence, zeal, etc., especially in the face of opposition, hardship, etc.: the morale of the troops.
I personally feel the morale of Elk County is just as important as each individual community during these hardtimes our whole country is dealing with and the fact that things may become much harder. Each of our communities has their very own individual personalities. Just as each county in Kansas and as each state in this great country has their own personality. And take pride in their efforts.
What do you suppose would happen if Microsoft tried to take credit for building Apple Computers? Would anyone care?
Ford Motor Company tried taking credit for building the Corvette? Would anyone care?
What do you suppose would happen if Russia took full credit for building the space station? Would any one care?
Would you care?
Patriot, the first column lists the names of decorators at the ECCEF's annual table-setting event. The second column is the theme or "title" of the table. Howard artist Jill Ball decorated a table titled "Witch Watchers."
When I was a little girl, my bed faced a closet where Mom kept an ironing board folded upright. I remember waking up one night, with the light from a full moon filling the room. The closet door was open, and when I saw the outline of that ironing board, I knew for certain (as a highly imaginative child would) there was a bogeyman in my closet. I was paralyzed with fear, afraid to even breathe. I watched for a very long time, but that shape never moved. Then I realized my misperception and went back to sleep. Never again did I confuse an ironing board with a bogeyman.
My humble apologies, Cat. Your comment in post #1525 must have been a typo. Please forgive.
Quote from: indygal on June 24, 2011, 05:55:11 AM
Patriot, the first column lists the names of decorators at the ECCEF's annual table-setting event. The second column is the theme or "title" of the table. Howard artist Jill Ball decorated a table titled "Witch Watchers."
Thank you indygal. Straight answer, pure and simple. Much appreciated.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 23, 2011, 07:25:59 PM
As has been stated before, no, Pat...I don't. Even if I did, WHICH I DON'T, I wouldn't out anyone without their permission...And whomever it is that you're looking for has been fairly explicit in their silence. Luckily, the same laws that guarantee you and the rest of your minions freedom of speech also guarantee others the right to silence. Gods, I love America...One of the few places on earth where you can waste 140+ pages of space, harping on the same tired subject and keeping that ball rolling just by jerking a few chains... ;D...Life is a tragedy to those who feel...And an unending comedy to those who think. ;D
Aren't you happy to claim helping wasting waste 140+ pages of space, harping on the same tired subject and keeping that ball rolling just by jerking a few chains. So do you think? Do you think Disparaging remarks are what we are looking for here? That is where the wasted space is.
A few of you have said you would not come back to this thread, just to return and say nothing.
The questions are: Will whoever steers the steering committee come forward, please?
Would the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected come forward, please?
What are your real goals?
indygal,
I was ten or younger and had a similar instance of seeing someone one night in the corner of my small bedroom. It was a moonlit summer night and there was an intermittent slow breeze. Both a window and a screened outside door to my bedroom were open.
It was around 2:00 am, and the someone moved every so often and I was scared stiff and frozen under the sheets. But
then I got brave and decided to jump out of bed and tackle the person who was in my room. I jumped up, jumped off the bed into the corner and tried to put my arms around whoever it was and throw them to the floor.
My arms grabbed thin air and that scared me more than I was scared to begin with. I looked all around and no one was there. The "person" turned out to be the shadow of a tree and the movement came from the wind periodically blowing the leaves.
Quote from: mayflower on June 23, 2011, 04:53:03 PM
Again Mr. Ross, you are repeating bogus information. The kids helping with day camp are getting minimum wage. I reported this to you a while back, but again it wasn't what you wanted to hear...so you have chosen to ignor the truth.
I was informed by a reliable source, how can you say otherwise?
Are you an admitted member or owner of Elk Konnected?
Are you calling Mayflower a liar?
Quote from: Wilma on June 24, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Are you calling Mayflower a liar?
Now look who's stirring the pot! LOL
Quote from: Wilma on June 24, 2011, 11:50:15 AM
Are you calling Mayflower a liar?
Quote from: Ross on June 24, 2011, 11:44:34 AM
I was informed by a reliable source, how can you say otherwise?
Are you an admitted member or owner of Elk Konnected?
Do you see that four letter word in my remark anywhere?
Do you see I asked a decent question?
So what is there to get an ugly attitude about?
You however used that four letter word. Are you insinuating something?
Kansas' minimum wage rate as of June, 2011 is $7.25 per hour.
Were the volunteers paid (another oxymoron) the legal minimum wage, or just something that the board could afford to pay?
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 24, 2011, 12:13:45 PM
...volunteers paid (another oxymoron)...
Ain't that the truth.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 24, 2011, 12:13:45 PM
...something that the board could afford to pay?
Butbutbut... EK has no 'board' according to the article in the paper...
So did volunteers in Team A decide how much to pay the volunteers in Team B?
But are the Volunteers in Team A paid? Who decides how much? Team C?
Oxymoron indeed!
And obtuse.
Don't you mean the admitted managing member(s)?
There are teenagers working and getting paid. There a few adult volunteers who are not getting paid. Can you now figure that out........
I have volunteered my time cooking during the 4th Sunday breakfast at Elk City's Carson Lodge and never received payment. I have volunteered my time as a firefighter and never received payment. It was my understanding that anyone who volunteers doesn't receive payment; but then again, I have been wrong. Even volunteers of ACORN got paid.-----Mr. KSH
Quotevolunteered my time as a firefighter
I for one, thank you for that!
Mr K, was your fire training just local or were you able to get some training at the bigger training centers? That's one advantage of being in a small state, we have a big state training center in Dover and a smaller version in each of the three counties. I always enjoyed the training, but stopped short at confined space rescue. No way is that for me. I'm much too claustrophobic. Trench rescue was good and I loved vehicle rescue, pack training and hose handling. Not crazy about ladders but you do what you have to. Yes, I know I'm off topic. Sorry
so.........yall have a problem with grants that give teenagers summer jobs..........pays em minimum wage for generally workin their butts off.........did it one summer myself....repainted the school rooms, redid floors, lot of grunt work when I was in jr. high.......
Why do yall have a problem with grants that give teenagers summer jobs? Why is that a waste of tax dollars? Why dont you want those teenagers to have a summer job? Whos pulling your strings? Whos behind this conspiracy to keep kids out of work? What do they REALLY want them to do? I bet it the video game manufacturers........cant have kids out workin instead of settin on their asses playin video games!!! How are they gonna make ANY MONEY if the kids ARE NOT AT HOME!?!?!? PLAYIN VIDEO GAMES!?!?!?!?!
::) :P :o
Woo-Woo .Good 'un Pam!
Quote from: mayflower on June 24, 2011, 01:40:28 PM
There are teenagers working and getting paid. There a few adult volunteers who are not getting paid. Can you now figure that out........
My bet is Elk County is paying them out of the grant money they recieved for the
Elk County Summer Day Camp.
Which is fine with me.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 24, 2011, 02:56:31 PM
so.........yall have a problem with grants that give teenagers summer jobs..........pays em minimum wage for generally workin their butts off.........did it one summer myself....repainted the school rooms, redid floors, lot of grunt work when I was in jr. high.......
Why do yall have a problem with grants that give teenagers summer jobs? Why is that a waste of tax dollars? Why dont you want those teenagers to have a summer job? Whos pulling your strings? Whos behind this conspiracy to keep kids out of work? What do they REALLY want them to do? I bet it the video game manufacturers........cant have kids out workin instead of settin on their asses playin video games!!! How are they gonna make ANY MONEY if the kids ARE NOT AT HOME!?!?!? PLAYIN VIDEO GAMES!?!?!?!?!
::) :P :o
My kid is learning not to depend on grants and welfare. He is finding his own work and as an educator perhaps you can acknowledge the education he is recieving by this endeavor is far better than handing it to him on a platter. I did the samething as a kid.
There are so many grants out there that are provided by tax deductions which doesn't do anything for financing the country's debt, it's like welfare. Scientist getting grants, which pay their outrageous incomes to study wny on skunk stinks more than another skunk. O r to tell us eating eggs are bad for us and a ear later tell us eggs aren't so bad. Grants or earmarks to build extravagant buildings for different major cities if it's named after the Congressman that lives in that district. When actually the welfare systen that supports the really poor is probably a fraction of all that other stuff. All that also leads to cutting school budgets.
I am very happy that
Elk County is able to do this Summer Day Camp for the children. But ask yourself what happens when all the freebies cease? I see it happening real soon. Federal Budget Cuts. State Budget Cuts etc.
Goverment is not supposed to take other peoples' money and give it away.
That includes to "make" jobs or ball teams.
The best "stimulus program" is to simply follow the Constitution of these united States.
http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 24, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
Goverment is not supposed to take other peoples' money and give it away.
That includes to "make" jobs or ball teams.
The best "stimulus program" is to simply follow the Constitution of these united States.
http://www.juntosociety.com/patriotism/inytg.html
Well I truely agree with you redcliffsw.
It's like this windfarm thing.
I haven't done the research but I have heard plenty about the government financing renewable energy.
So I'd bet there is gov't (taxpayers dollars)vmoney in this windfarm. The next thing about it is the cost of supplying electricity when the wind is not blowing. And then the pricey lollipops for a few. Okay, the paper said about $60 million over 20 years. But who knows how many 100's of millions of profit goes to the company in Italy. Now aday's we don't just export jobs now we export money. When does the government go back to working for the United States of America?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Yeah - windfarms and ethanol. Goverment promotion and funding really sounds good doesn't it?
It's no wonder how messed up everything is becoming.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 24, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
Yeah - windfarms and ethanol. Goverment promotion and funding really sounds good doesn't it?
It's no wonder how messed up everything is becoming.
Time to defund the damn ethanol program. When you can't get a bag of corn for less than 8 dollars a bag then we are getting screwed
If the person who grew the corn can get that price why shouldn't he?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected.
Why are you hiding?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 24, 2011, 06:00:06 PM
If the person who grew the corn can get that price why shouldn't he?
Because a big chunk of that price is taxpayer dollars. Secondly, YOU DON'T USE YOUR FOOD SUPPLY for fuel. RIght now they are cutting the supply of corn to the food supply to put into the fuel. What does that mean? Food shortages!
I'm not sure how it's "taxpayer money" but I've said several other times there is just something wrong in using food to make fuel to go buy food.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 24, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
I'm not sure how it's "taxpayer money"....
Me either. Let's see if we can sort it out.
1. Americans work & get paid for their labor.
2. The government, buy force of law, takes part of those earnings as 'fees' & 'taxes", making the laborer a "taxpayer".
3 The government then doles out a portion of the monies taken to special interests as subsidies to help keep them afloat, or to provide youth activities so mom & dad don't have to carry the full load for their kids' extra curricular activities.
Gee, since the money confiscated
is the taxpayer's earned money then the subsidies
ARE taxpayer monies. And had it not been confiscated in the first place the taxpayer would still have their own money... money that THEY earned.
I'm amazed at how much bullshit and misdirection is spread by liberal progressives (read closet socialists) right along with the wage earner's wealth.
So who said anything about a subsidy?
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 24, 2011, 03:23:03 PM
Goverment is not supposed to take other peoples' money and give it away.
That includes to "make" jobs or ball teams.
Quote from: Ross on June 24, 2011, 03:53:50 PM
It's like this windfarm thing.
I haven't done the research but I have heard plenty about the government financing renewable energy.
So I'd bet there is gov't (taxpayers dollars)vmoney in this windfarm.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 24, 2011, 04:22:46 PM
Yeah - windfarms and ethanol. Goverment promotion and funding really sounds good doesn't it?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 24, 2011, 05:11:55 PM
Time to defund the damn ethanol program. When you can't get a bag of corn for less than 8 dollars a bag then we are getting screwed
Not sure, but without using the word 'subsidy' I think they did.
Quote from: Ross on June 24, 2011, 03:19:58 PM
My kid is learning not to depend on grants and welfare. He is finding his own work and as an educator perhaps you can acknowledge the education he is recieving by this endeavor is far better than handing it to him on a platter. I did the samething as a kid.
There are so many grants out there that are provided by tax deductions which doesn't do anything for financing the country's debt, it's like welfare. Scientist getting grants, which pay their outrageous incomes to study wny on skunk stinks more than another skunk. O r to tell us eating eggs are bad for us and a ear later tell us eggs aren't so bad. Grants or earmarks to build extravagant buildings for different major cities if it's named after the Congressman that lives in that district. When actually the welfare systen that supports the really poor is probably a fraction of all that other stuff. All that also leads to cutting school budgets.
I am very happy that Elk County is able to do this Summer Day Camp for the children. But ask yourself what happens when all the freebies cease? I see it happening real soon. Federal Budget Cuts. State Budget Cuts etc.
uh..........I'm a construction worker not an educator .......except for my parenting.
uh..........I started workin....for money.... when I was 12......I was helpin my Dad log when I was 15...I worked one summer for the school when I was 13.....nobody ever GAVE me NOTHIN.
uh.........my oldest son got his first job on a pullin unit when he was 13 and my youngest son got his first job when he was 14.....washin hides...my daughter's first job was cleanin up job sites when she was 11
try payin attention and rememberin who is who.........
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 24, 2011, 06:13:39 PM
I'm not sure how it's "taxpayer money" but I've said several other times there is just something wrong in using food to make fuel to go buy food.
Because the ethanol plants cannot possibly make ethanol without being subsidized by government. The price they are paying for corn is testimony to that.
Have ya ever made sourmash diane?? AIN'T no way they can make it cheap enough in the freemarket to use in gasoline. In fact, by the time you add the corn add the sugar, and let it ferment, you have more money in it than you can possibly sell it for in fuel. I looked into it a while back making my own. I figured it up when the corn was at 5.00 a hundred, and sugar was a .31 a pound and i couldn't produce a gallon of sourmash for less than 3.75 a gallon. At that time it was cheaper to make the whiskey and sell it for 40 a gallon for drinkin and buying the gas with the profit. Now corn is up 3 times what it was when i was checking and sugar is double that it was back then. So your looking at 9.00 per gallon to make it. Taxpayers are subsidizing the ethanol plants and the corn prices keep going up and up and up due to the fact the ethanol plant have tons of money to pay for corn cause Government is buying it.
Read something a coupld months ago that they have 18 billion bushals of corn produced this year, and only 1.7 billion is going to be used in the food market, that includes feed, for cattle ect and for humans. It also stated that its almost 1 billion less than we had last year in the market for human and animal consumption. Farmers are getting greedy and selling us out. They don't give a rats fanny as long as they get top dollar.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 24, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
So who said anything about a subsidy?
Subsidy's fall under handouts which falls under taxes the money the gov't takes from us.
The same goes for foreign aid, tax payer money as a handout to other countries.
It is spending money in an attempt at buying friendship. Have you ever bought a friend?
I was taught at very young age you can't buy friendship.
Any handout is welfare. Does Exxon need welfare? Does Russia need welfare from us?
Does it matter if it's Federal or State welfare? I don't think so.Do you?
Does it make any difference if it's called a subsidy, a grant, or an earmark if it is tax dollars or the result of tax dollars?
Just think if it's a grant that is generated as a tax break doesn't that mean someone didn't pay tax on that money?
I have read where major companies haven't paid a dime in federal taxes because of tax shelters and tax free donations.
What do those tax free donations do for the company do? They essentially buy tons of free advertisement in the newsmedia.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Well said.
It's certainly great to see you and others take a bold stand against the socialistic Elk Konnected.
I know that the liberal/moderate followers of EK don't like what you are doing, but you're doing right, so stay right in there.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 24, 2011, 10:46:23 PM
uh..........I'm a construction worker not an educator .......except for my parenting.
uh..........I started workin....for money.... when I was 12......I was helpin my Dad log when I was 15...I worked one summer for the school when I was 13.....nobody ever GAVE me NOTHIN.
uh.........my oldest son got his first job on a pullin unit when he was 13 and my youngest son got his first job when he was 14.....washin hides...my daughter's first job was cleanin up job sites when she was 11
try payin attention and rememberin who is who.........
However, you made the point. There was no grants to provide a job for you or your kids isn't that right? I started working for money at 11 years old. My first job was given to me by a friend of the family. The job was short lived but I soon found my next job on my own. Newspaper boy for about 6 months. then pinsetter in the bowling alley until I graduated high school. But I also mowed lawns, drove delivery car for the drugstore and did odd jobs. I worked for a year after high school traveling as a lineman, yea climbing telephone poles and then it was the military -- Vietnam.
But that was the whole point, we took the inititive and found work. We didn't have anyone paying us to play with little kids from money provided by grants or subsidies or any such thing.
QuoteHowever, you made the point. There was no grants to provide a job for you or your kids isn't that right? I started working for money at 11 years old. My first job was given to me by a friend of the family. The job was short lived but I soon found my next job on my own. Newspaper boy for about 6 months. then pinsetter in the bowling alley until I graduated high school. But I also mowed lawns, drove delivery car for the drugstore and did odd jobs. I worked for a year after high school traveling as a lineman, yea climbing telephone poles and then it was the military -- Vietnam.
No actually I didnt make the point.......not yours anyway. I am very sure some of my and my husbands tax dollars down here go to programs that provide summer jobs for teenagers....whether its playin with little kids at a day-camp or weed-eatin at the school....
IT DOESNT BOTHER ME....I'M ALL FOR IT give a kid a job, no matter what it is and they will be a better person...if their paycheck comes from my tax money well then I reckon they are just workin for me, takin care of one of my grandkids maybe or takin care of one of my grandkids schools. IT AIN'T welfare!
I do NOT agree with you.
Well my kid is learning. Learning to do for himself.
Instead of having it give to him.
That's what wrong with this country, it seems everyone is being trained
for hand out's. Everything has to be easy.
Grants, special funds, freebies, handouts, welfare, tax writeoffs, taxshelters.
And every working man and woman pays for the waste.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from Ross:
Have you ever bought a friend?
To borrow a line from Slick Willie Clinton----What is your definition of
" a friend "? :angel:
QuoteHave you ever bought a friend?
To borrow a line from Slick Willie Clinton----What is your definition of
" a friend "?
I would say it is what "it" is...and I think that line of work is illegal, at least if soliciting the wrong person! ;D
Quote from: jarhead on June 25, 2011, 11:45:30 AM
Quote from Ross:
Have you ever bought a friend?
To borrow a line from Slick Willie Clinton----What is your definition of
" a friend "? :angel:
It sure isn't someone I can buy. China and Russia have both been recieving foreign aid from us and they sure aren't friends now are they?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Ross, you're right again.
Taxes should not go to create jobs. Why take other's property by and thru the goverment and say it's OK to use our tax money to create jobs? Well - it's not OK.
What's so bad for all of us being on our own?
Abolish the federal income. Think liberty instead of handouts.
I am going to drive into Moline and have some of that Moline Crazy days Hog Roast.
I've done it every year since I have moved to Elk County and it has always been great food
and a real friendly people gathering.
Hope everyone has a great evening.
Hog roasts in Elk County are always a great time. ;) Hope you have a wonderful evening! :)
QuoteAnd every working man and woman pays for the waste.
yeah..............including me and my husband. So I get to say what
I think.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 25, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
Hog roasts in Elk County are always a great time. ;) Hope you have a wonderful evening! :)
It was a trerrific evening, visiting with numerous people and the hog was sure some good eating.
Overall todays event looked like a pretty good turnout from the parade to hog roast. The fireworks
of course are after dark but I've had enough of the heat and I am full and sitting on my couch
visiting with you.
Moline did a good job today.
I can remember some particularly good hog roasts...Many years ago...Of course, I was much younger then...Good times, good times!! ;D. I always used to enjoy the Rodeo that is held over the 4th of July, too. The sense of family and community is strong in Elk County...It is its greatest strength. Moline consistently exempifies that sense of community. :)
Catwoman you made a good point about Moline. Moline and Elk County will do much better without the socialists at Elk Konnected.
That isn't the point I made...But you continue on with your selective hearing. ::)
I personally happen to enjoy each of the various communities individual personalities.
There is just ss much weird stuff going on through out this great country that I feel is more damaging than good.
There is just plain to much control, manipulation etc. Check this article about 3rd grade social studies school book.
This is just plain wrong. Manipulation of 3 rd graders.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/22/parents-see-political-slant-in-3rd-grade-textbook/
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
The truth came out last night why New York passed the same sex marriage law.
Econmic Development.
They are going to put on a bunch more Judges just for the purpose
of performing marriages.
They expect lots of people from all over to flood in buying marriage
licenses, money -- money --- money.
What will our governments do next to offset financial deficit's.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Have you heard about the Town Hall Meeting at the Cox Building in Howard 7:30mpm June 29 thqt Bluescape Resources is having?
The letter I recieved from them says what to bring with you if you are interested in signing:
1. Social Security Number
2. A valid ID
3. Your deed, tax statement, trust papers, Power of attorney,and/or corporate filings showing that you have authorization to sign
4. Any surveys or title work thatyou currently have on your property
5. Yourself and anyone else (e.g. family members) that needs to be present for signing.
Did you recieve that letter?
They started buying up leases a couple of months ago and I was told paying $25 an acre, now I understand they are offering $100 an acre. Can anyone verify this information?
Do you reckon at the Town Hall Meeting conversation that they will address some of the problems that have happened in other parts of the country with horizontal drilling?
Do you reckon they will discuss how many well heads they will need or how large each well head will need to be or how many wells per well head they will drill? Do you think they will discuss processing natural gas along with the oil that comes out of the ground?
Will they pay royalties on tthe natural gas they may produce?
Do you reckon they will discuss the types of chemicals they will be fracking with?
Do you reckon they will discuss the possibilities of ground water (ponds/lakes) contamination or possibility of damage to farm land and crops?
Will this be an actual town hall meeting?
Just a bunch of questions. Does anyone have any answers.?
I don't believe I want them drilling under my land for the piddling sum they wish to pay. There seems to me to be to many possible problems in the future to be worth it. My land may not be the best in the county but I want to keep it as healthy as possible.
What the heck is happening in Elk County? First wind farms, now what appears to be a major drilling function, what next???????
[quote author=Ross link=topic=11780.msg166161#msg166161 date=1309095593]
What the heck is happening in Elk County? First wind farms, now what appears to be a major drilling function, what next???????
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Landfill. they'll start trucking in trash from major cities.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 26, 2011, 07:45:58 AM
Landfill. they'll start trucking in trash from major cities.
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they already tried that one........didnt work out too well for em. THANK god
If you crawl in bed with a fracker..expect to get fracked. They assume people will just take the check and turn over the land. I don't own any land but hope people really research this process well before turning our county land over to them.
We got that letter. Don't think we will be going. It sounded like a fraud to me when I read it.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on June 27, 2011, 07:24:20 AM
If you crawl in bed with a fracker..expect to get fracked. They assume people will just take the check and turn over the land. I don't own any land but hope people really research this process well before turning our county land over to them.
At least some of it has already been leased.
Now there is something Elk Konnected could have been doing for the good of the county. Educating people about the possible damage to the land and water and crops. As well as long term consquenses. Enviromental issues involved with fraking especailly associated with horizontal drilling. Sure show both sides of the issue, staying neutral if they wanted. (Big idea)
They could have been doing something constructive instead of putting in the newspare that the Elk County Summer Day Camp is Elk Konnected Day Camp.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 27, 2011, 07:38:07 AM
We got that letter. Don't think we will be going. It sounded like a fraud to me when I read it.
Not even curious to find out?
Oh. I got it no circle of chairs.
However, you might find it very controlled in a different manner.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
(http://www.hcn.org/issues/43.3/unpacking-health-hazards-in-frackings-chemical-cocktail/graphic)
Depending on who does the reports......depends on how bad or "good" a thing it is.
Bottom line....it pumps high pressure chemicals mixed with water into the ground to fracture the rock plates and open pockets of gas for "harvesting". Bottom line....these chemicals are toxic as hell and anybody who thinks NONE of them get into the water table and STAYS there needs their head examined.
They suck the water back out of the wells and take it to evaporation ponds where the chemicals and toxins just magically disappear and everything is jelly beans and rainbows..... :P
Not even goin into the earthquake question............but those rock plates gotta go SOMEWHERE when the gas thats been holdin them disappears.......
No.....it aint gonna kill YOU....right now.....but its gonna kill your grandkids and great grandkids....FACT.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 26, 2011, 06:36:03 AM
That isn't the point I made...But you continue on with your selective hearing. ::)
But it appears you did make the point, even if you didn't mean to. Quote from: Ross on June 25, 2011, 05:07:54 PM
I am going to drive into Moline and have some of that Moline Crazy days Hog Roast.
I've done it every year since I have moved to Elk County and it has always been great food
and a real friendly people gathering.
Hope everyone has a great evening.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 25, 2011, 05:27:23 PM
Hog roasts in Elk County are always a great time. ;) Hope you have a wonderful evening! :)
Quote from: Ross on June 25, 2011, 07:38:04 PM
It was a trerrific evening, visiting with numerous people and the hog was sure some good eating.
Overall todays event looked like a pretty good turnout from the parade to hog roast. The fireworks
of course are after dark but I've had enough of the heat and I am full and sitting on my couch
visiting with you.
Moline did a good job today.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 25, 2011, 09:28:25 PM
I can remember some particularly good hog roasts...Many years ago...Of course, I was much younger then...Good times, good times!! ;D. I always used to enjoy the Rodeo that is held over the 4th of July, too. The sense of family and community is strong in Elk County...It is its greatest strength. Moline consistently exempifies that sense of community. :)
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 26, 2011, 06:05:16 AM
Catwoman you made a good point about Moline. Moline and Elk County will do much better without the socialists at Elk Konnected.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 27, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
Depending on who does the reports......depends on how bad or "good" a thing it is.
Bottom line....it pumps high pressure chemicals mixed with water into the ground to fracture the rock plates and open pockets of gas for "harvesting". Bottom line....these chemicals are toxic as hell and anybody who thinks NONE of them get into the water table and STAYS there needs their head examined.
They suck the water back out of the wells and take it to evaporation ponds where the chemicals and toxins just magically disappear and everything is jelly beans and rainbows..... :P
Not even goin into the earthquake question............but those rock plates gotta go SOMEWHERE when the gas thats been holdin them disappears.......
No.....it aint gonna kill YOU....right now.....but its gonna kill your grandkids and great grandkids....FACT.
Excellent post.
I especially like the, "They suck the water back out of the wells and take it to evaporation ponds where the chemicals and toxins just magically disappear and everything is jelly beans and rainbows..... "
But you did leave out the
lollipops. The
land owners get to make a little
money. Isn't that good for the economy?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
The Dakota have a word for the people who do things for the money....especially things that destroy.....they call em fat-takers.....cause they skim off the fat like greedy children and run away thinkin it wont catch up with them.
NO......... money is NOT the answer or a JUSTIFICATION
It is my opinion the wrong with our something drastically County Commissioners. Please Correct me is i am wrong.
I know you will.
What is this about? I just discovered it on the internet.
Elk Konnected Day Camp Grant Amount: $13,850.00
Grant Cycle:
Spring 2011
Approved Date:
Sunday, May 22, 2011
Duration (months):
1
Grant Purpose:
Summer day camp for grade school children living in Elk and Greenwood counties.
Grantee:
Elk County
Grant Type:
Recognition Grant.
http://www.khf.org/grantmaking/grants/county_day_camp
Why?
Why would the Elk County Commissioners name the Elk County Summer Day Camp --- Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp, and then not tell us about it at the county commissioners meeting, when the subject was broached? Is that considered lying by deception or something to that effect?
I thought we were suppose to be able to trust our elected officials, especially here at home.
I guess, I owe Elk Konnected an apology.
I hear by apologize to Elk Konnected for this error on my part.
There is an Elk County Commissioners meeting today at 1:00 pm at the Elk County Courthouse in Howard. I hope to see you there.
http://www.khf.org/grantmaking/grants/county_day_camp
Ross, You seem to twist every word that I put on here. Why is that?? No I am not interested in going to the meeting, because don't you think if we had anything on our land in the past 100 years that my husbands family have owned it someone would have found it. Plus we need everybit of land for grazing our cattle. I am not going because, for one I don't own the land, and two believe it or not I go to enough meetings and don't want to go to it. Has nothing to do with circle of chairs or anything.
But since you did mention that circle of chairs that is, we had a Kstate lady come and meet with our parents of the members of our 4-H club and she did say it is nice to change up the seating of the chairs in meetings once in a while. Kids don't need to sit in perfect lines to run a meeting. I also would like to add, this year our club started doing Gavel games, and we have 2 groups of 4 kids in each go to club days and perform. I am proud to say the age of the kids ranged from 7th grade to 1st grade and one of the groups got to go to regional club days and perform. They are really learning their parlimentary precedure!! They can run a meeting really good.
Angie, you're absolutely correct...Ross and his minions are pro's at twisting words. Example...Copying and pasting until Hell won't have it and then telling me that I made a point without meaning to make it? WTH?????? I make exactly the point I mean to...There is NO time I make an unintended point. If you want to misconstrue what it is that I say, then have at it. Duplicity of that sort is not the way I'm built and I refuse to engage in it.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 27, 2011, 09:47:25 AM
Ross, You seem to twist every word that I put on here. Why is that?? No I am not interested in going to the meeting, because don't you think if we had anything on our land in the past 100 years that my husbands family have owned it someone would have found it. Plus we need everybit of land for grazing our cattle. I am not going because, for one I don't own the land, and two believe it or not I go to enough meetings and don't want to go to it. Has nothing to do with circle of chairs or anything.
But since you did mention that circle of chairs that is, we had a Kstate lady come and meet with our parents of the members of our 4-H club and she did say it is nice to change up the seating of the chairs in meetings once in a while. Kids don't need to sit in perfect lines to run a meeting. I also would like to add, this year our club started doing Gavel games, and we have 2 groups of 4 kids in each go to club days and perform. I am proud to say the age of the kids ranged from 7th grade to 1st grade and one of the groups got to go to regional club days and perform. They are really learning their parlimentary precedure!! They can run a meeting really good.
I did not present an invitation personally to you. The suggestion was open to everyone and it was only a reminder that there is a meeting today. Correction I misunderstood what meeting you were refering to, but it still stands, I was just letting the information out about the Bluescape townhall meeting.
What words exactly did I twist. I simply quoted what transpired. I quoted myself and the redcliffsw and you verbtim.
And meetings between adults and children are entirely different things. Don't you think?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Catwoman on June 27, 2011, 11:24:20 AM
Angie, you're absolutely correct...Ross and his minions are pro's at twisting words. Example...Copying and pasting until Hell won't have it and then telling me that I made a point without meaning to make it? WTH?????? I make exactly the point I mean to...There is NO time I make an unintended point. If you want to misconstrue what it is that I say, then have at it. Duplicity of that sort is not the way I'm built and I refuse to engage in it.
Where do you get twisting from verbatim quotes???????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 27, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
(http://www.hcn.org/issues/43.3/unpacking-health-hazards-in-frackings-chemical-cocktail/graphic)
Depending on who does the reports......depends on how bad or "good" a thing it is.
Bottom line....it pumps high pressure chemicals mixed with water into the ground to fracture the rock plates and open pockets of gas for "harvesting". Bottom line....these chemicals are toxic as hell and anybody who thinks NONE of them get into the water table and STAYS there needs their head examined.
They suck the water back out of the wells and take it to evaporation ponds where the chemicals and toxins just magically disappear and everything is jelly beans and rainbows..... :P
Not even goin into the earthquake question............but those rock plates gotta go SOMEWHERE when the gas thats been holdin them disappears.......
No.....it aint gonna kill YOU....right now.....but its gonna kill your grandkids and great grandkids....FACT.
What water table?? They dont' even have a underground aquifer here.
you want a pond full of this shit on your land knock yourself out. you want a pond full of this shit gettin in any creek near you knock yourself out. I'm not arguing with you about it.
Now, now let's be decent.
As I understand it the water table can be shallow or deep. There are a lot of factors involved.
Here is one explanation of what a whater table is and I hope it helps.
http://www.agwt.org/info/pdfs/watertable.pdf
Here is another:
The water table is the underground depth at which point the ground is totally saturated with water. Much of the Earth's potable water is actually locked up underground, and while it may not be as physically obvious as big lakes and rivers, it is critically important. When underground water deposits are large enough to be considered sustainable for use, they are known as aquifers. The water table could also be thought of as the top of the aquifer.
A number of things contribute to the formation of the water table. Every time it rains, for example, water trickles into the water table. Runoff from lakes, rivers, and streams also contributes, as does snow melt. It is also necessary for the rock in the water table to be permeable, meaning that it can be saturated with water. Impermeable rock cannot collect water, although aquifers are often surrounded by deposits of impermeable rock which keep the water trapped inside.
The level of a water table can fluctuate considerably. A dry spell, for example, can cause the water level to drop, and in some reasons, the seasonal fluctuation of the water table is common enough to be expected. Excessive use of water can also deplete the water table, as for instance when a population increases suddenly, demanding more water than was used previously. Water table depletion is especially common in areas where water is used in industrial production.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
QuoteNow, now let's be decent.
I AM decent. I DONT need scoldin by YOU.
A what-er table? Or water table? lol Decently speaking, of course... ::)
cat: have your ever lived in an area where the only water you had went dry when there weren't a lot of rains?
The pump or cistern won't bring the water up, and those forturnate to have electric pumps worked hard in drouts and many a pump had to be replaced. Any water, other than natural fed springs or runoffs from nature would pollute those watertables.
Many people in Elk County are still on the watert able cistern. If one pollutes that, then you have undrinkable water.
I lived for many years in Elk County, Ready...So, yes...I have known personally what you describe...And I find it ludicrous that anyone would even begin to contemplate tinkering around with what little available water there is down there. I can remember the efforts to drill down for water...And coming up dry.
and yet, drilling is contemplated in Elk and surrounding counties for a guess at "there may be gas?"
At what price?
Everyone wants to see a fat paycheck by only owning the land..(minus 30% for taxes), however they forget what will happen afterwards....please refer to the Native Americans.....
I, personally would had to see this beautiful and self sufficient (if the government doesn't clamp down on us) lands be what they are when they were homesteaded. Hard? yes. Beautiful? yes.
If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
Or, if you are a computer nerd...if it ain't broke, I'll break it and charge you to fix it.
I see Elk County getting into some difficult decisions, and I am afraid that it will be our county next.
ready
Quotefor a guess at "there may be gas?"
Go to the website of the company that wants to lease. They are looking for a PARTICULAR shale to get the pocets of gas from. It is mainly in Pennsylvania and to Virgina.....they are thinking that there is more, but is it enough?
That's one of the problems in areas that "mine" ancient water from locked aquifers. It doesn't get replaced and will eventually will run out. We have some problems here from agriculture run off. It's done some really serious damage to the Chesapeake Bay. There are natural pollution sources too of course but nature can't clean it up as fast as the pollution can occur. It's also a problem with raising corn, as I'm sure you already know corn is a water and nutrient hog as compared to some other grains. Knowing soils and drainage, water tables and such was part of what Al did as a planner for New Castle County. He did perk tests and colored maps and made exhibits for public meetings as a planning aide when he was first hired after college, a very long time ago.Then he was drafted...... But I digress. I thought if you drill for potable water in most of Elk County around Howard you get saline. No? In PA were the fracking is already being done it is very controversial and supposedly there has already been some unintended pollution. It's in coal country which already has it's problems from bad practices many years ago.
Diane, as you know....this area is based on Shale, Limestone and Sandstone amongst other hard and soft rocks. 2 out of 3 of those mentioned are fragile rock bases.
I personally do not wish to dig to China as we used to say.
I feel, what we have beneath the ground, well to after 100' stay buried. We may find ruins of Greece, or Atlantis in our back yard, as the earth has shifted from so many "fraking" drilings....yes I watch Sci-fi shows. And then the History channel will start filming in our area, but then I digress also :P
Also, the intent is the reason. Are they drilling because they have a Royal flush, or are they drilling because they are trying to draw to four aces with the landowners beautiful and bountiful straight?
Well, I'm sure there is a money factor in there somewhere! ;D
well duh! ::)
If you drill for water in Elk County, you are more likely to not get water of any kind. In the northwest part of Union Center, there is what I suppose you would call an aquifer but the water is so full of iron that it eats up your pipes in a hurry. I am not sure where it starts and it is only maybe half a mile to a mile wide. Runs southwest to northeast and is three miles long that I know of. We owned a pasture for a while that had a hand dug well that old timers told us never went dry. In dry spells the farmers would come and fill their hauling tanks from the well. But a mile and an half southeast of there, my folks had a well that had water during wet times and the rest of the time was dry. They depended on the runoff from the house into the cistern and hauling water from Howard to fill the cistern.
Ready, I think this might be a draw to an inside straight attempt. I hope the drilling doesn't happen. But I have no land to lease so I don't have to worry about whether to or not.
I agree Wilma. I rarely draw to an inside straight, however I have been known to hit a few.
The rust in the water is what I grew up with....that metallic taste, of which I loved.
To this day bottled wated tastes ....well just down right flat!
This is a delicate problem I think...and it really needs to be thought out to the big picture, the end result.
The big companies don't care about your lives as Elk Countians...(to steal a phrase) ;D
The big companies are out for themselves and if you don't have the power, nor the money to stop....
then you are in their pursestrings...and they pay piddley. Because they want you to think they care, but they don't.
Don't misunderstand me. There are good and upstanding oil/gas companies out there.
Just please, don't fall for the first guy off the bus because you want to be the first!
Ready? Ya don't think I was stating the obvious? ;D Isn't all that exploratory drilling part of why our gas so so expensive...and the speculators of course? It will all get passed along one way or another.
Wilma, thanks for the information.There seem to be plenty of good creeks and ponds but nothing to brag about in terms of a water table I guess. I'm sure it's was all mapped out years ago and the information would be available somewhere. The "poke and hope" method has surely been modernized over the years. Our well at home had a good bit of iron too and I always loved it. I'm on city water here, not nearly as tasty to my way of thinking.
Back to the purpose of this thread...thanks....
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote"poke and hope"
there ya go ks answered. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Don't get me wrong because I am all for not contaminating our drinking water but y'all are acting like drilling and fraking wells is something new. I used to have a 1921 map of the oil/dry wells drilled in Elk county. If you live in Longton there is a pretty good chance that your house is sitting on an old cable tool hole. You know how they used to plug the wells? Whittle a hedge post to fit the casing and drive it in like a cork. This county was punched full of holes long before most of us were born. Most of the wells in and at the edge of Longton were what they called the Big Salt Sand. That is only around 400 feet deep. Our fresh water drilled wells are between 80-100 feet. You hit the white sand for fresh water you can only go so many feet into it and you go too deep and you got yourself a salt water well---and it has nothing to do with the oil wells. Fraking the wells has been going on for decades and yes, acidizing the wells. Some pump the salt water right back in the zone it came from but a lot of disposal wells are over 1,000 feet deep and cemented from top to bottom so the salt water will never get into the fresh water zone. Y'all are working yourself into a lather when you need not to but don't take my word for it. Ask Frank Winn. He has forgot more about drilling and such than most of us ever knew. Now carry on Kshillbilly.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 27, 2011, 08:02:21 PM
Back to the purpose of this thread...thanks....
Keep those non-registered guests & members of the ever-awakening public coming back. I love it. Hearing more each day about that silent majority beginning to put it all together. Remember you can fool some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but never all of the people all of the time.
Two months and still no clear, factual answers. Just unauthorized pundits defending their friends and associates. Amazing. Just remember silence and deflection speaks volumes. Why is Elk Konnected, LLC not soliciting its' own grants thereby funding its' activities on its' own, rather than relying on the county to do it for them?
Quote from: jarhead on June 27, 2011, 08:42:37 PM
Don't get me wrong because I am all for not contaminating our drinking water but y'all are acting like drilling and fraking wells is something new. I used to have a 1921 map of the oil/dry wells drilled in Elk county. If you live in Longton there is a pretty good chance that your house is sitting on an old cable tool hole. You know how they used to plug the wells? Whittle a hedge post to fit the casing and drive it in like a cork. This county was punched full of holes long before most of us were born. Most of the wells in and at the edge of Longton were what they called the Big Salt Sand. That is only around 400 feet deep. Our fresh water drilled wells are between 80-100 feet. You hit the white sand for fresh water you can only go so many feet into it and you go too deep and you got yourself a salt water well---and it has nothing to do with the oil wells. Fraking the wells has been going on for decades and yes, acidizing the wells. Some pump the salt water right back in the zone it came from but a lot of disposal wells are over 1,000 feet deep and cemented from top to bottom so the salt water will never get into the fresh water zone. Y'all are working yourself into a lather when you need not to but don't take my word for it. Ask Frank Winn. He has forgot more about drilling and such than most of us ever knew. Now carry on Kshillbilly.
Some of us grew up on oil field pay Jar and still have sense enough to know that just cause they
always done it dont mean it was ever a good idea. Some of us have "been in a lather" about it for years and for good reason. They USED to spray DDT like air freshener too.
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. Respectfully cause I agree with you on some things :) THAT oughta ruin your whole evenin ;D ;D
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 27, 2011, 09:15:39 PM
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. Respectfully cause I agree with you on some things :) THAT oughta ruin your whole evenin ;D ;D
Pam, you are only saying that because you think I will give you the Calf Creek point I found last year.---it's a fine Archaic specimen---and the Snyder point I found with it---Early to Late Woodland I'd say---not to forget the fine hafted scraper---------------------------Now can I hear how you agree with me on "ALL " things ? ;D
Quote from: jarhead on June 27, 2011, 09:37:55 PM
Quote from Pam:
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. Respectfully cause I agree with you on some things THAT oughta ruin your whole evenin
Pam, you are only saying that because you think I will give you the Calf Creek point I found last year.---it's a fine Archaic specimen---and the Snyder point I found with it---Early to Late Woodland I'd say---not to forget the fine hafted scraper---------------------------Now can I hear how you agree with me on "ALL " things ? ;D
I will not be bought ;D
I have one calf creek point I found in Arkansas and a scraper I found when I was a kid ,think we were up on Otter crick, been too long ago lol, I even have some glass points that a friend of mines uncle made...you found my weakness :P Im a rock hound..... ;D oh crap...did I say weakness??? I meant my strong point yeah my strong point
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 27, 2011, 09:53:11 PM
I will not be bought ;D
Did I mention this intricately knapped obsidian Huffaker bird point with basil notch ? or the 6 inch Langtry point---now whoa there Hoss, I aint done---and what a beaut this polished celt made from Hematite is--and a large bowel of cord marked pottery shards ? Now---aint ol Jarhead right about 75 % of the time? ;D
Oh HELL........I'll go well ol Jarhead is right APPROXIMATELY 75% of the time ONCE in a WHILE......SOMEtimes.......(cept when he's wrong).....that close enough????
Gave me a chuckle to end my day on....Thanks....have not had very many of them lately :)
How about that County Commissioners Meeting yesterday. Some guy from Wichita wants our County Commissioners to take on the Governor and the guy says if they do they will get a lot of heat from some mighty powerful people in the state. Did it sound like they might consider it? What might that cost and I mean in property taxes? Oh, the guy owns land in Elk County, I guess near where the next Wind Farm was going to go. I think he was going to have wind turbines on his property. I hope my new hearing aids work better than the ones I have. I could not hear half of what was said.
IMHO, I mean the County Commissioners can't seem to keep the little people who ever they are of Elk Konnected in check. I mean, how did Elk Konnected get it's name on the Elk County Summer Day Camp paperwork for the Grant Money? Do County employees work for Elk Konnected or Elk County? Is this Elk County or Elk konnected County? Is it the Elk County Commissioners meeting or the Elk Konnected County Commissioners Meetings?
And the County Commissioners are considering taking on the Governor and some mighty powerful people of the state of Kansas????
The man has a lawyer and a turbine company it sounds like that wants to do the dirty work. IMHO, Perhaps it might work better if they can get some circle of chairs and a facilitator. Any suggesting from any one???
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 27, 2011, 09:15:39 PM
They USED to spray DDT like air freshener too.
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. Respectfully cause I agree with you on some things :) THAT oughta ruin your whole evenin ;D ;D
Guess what.... DDT Was one of the BEST pesticides on the market. Killed mosquitos and flys like crazy. The only reason they pulled itoff the market is that its effectiveness waned and they were afraid the bugs would become immune to it. Well Now after around 40 years they are releasing it again for use! :D isn't that kool! Now we actually can have a pesticide that will do the job. This time though, it will have the proper dosage to use to keep our bugs from mutating and becomming resistant to it!
Quote from: srkruzich on June 28, 2011, 05:53:40 AM
Guess what.... DDT Was one of the BEST pesticides on the market. Killed mosquitos and flys like crazy. The only reason they pulled itoff the market is that its effectiveness waned and they were afraid the bugs would become immune to it. Well Now after around 40 years they are releasing it again for use! :D isn't that kool! Now we actually can have a pesticide that will do the job. This time though, it will have the proper dosage to use to keep our bugs from mutating and becomming resistant to it!
You just go ahead and have a big ol bowl of it Steve.......Who says it's safe?????Oh yeah........that pesky reliable government and those big corporations we are all so fond of.......
and GOD knows they wouldn't lie ::)
We lost an awful lot of birds to DDT, darn nearly lost all the eagles...but doesn't that matter too?
Steve,
Does DDT kill squash bugs ? If so, I say give me the poison ! Them pesky sons a guns seem to thrive on Sevin or anything else out there on the market. If I had a flame thrower I would kill me a bunch of squash bugs---and zucchini plants.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 28, 2011, 09:27:06 AM
We lost an awful lot of birds to DDT, darn nearly lost all the eagles...but doesn't that matter too?
That was a myth. NO hard evidence to prove it. The eco groups used a very flawed study to push their agenda. IN fact they've done research into it since and found out it didn't have that kind of effect.
DDT is fine to use as long as you use it in the RIGHT amounts. When done properly, there isn't as much used as there was back then.
1921, the journal Ecology reported that bald eagles were threatened with extinction – 22 years before DDT production even began. According to a report in the National Museum Bulletin, the bald eagle reportedly had vanished from New England by 1937 – 10 years before the pesticide was used widely in agriculture.
Just as incredibly, by 1960 – 20 years after the Bald Eagle Protection Act and at the peak of DDT use – the Audubon Society reported counting 25 percent more eagles than in its pre-1941 census. US Forest Service studies reported an increase in nesting bald eagles, from 51 in 1964 to 107 in 1970, at a time when DDT was still being used all over the United States, according to the 1970 Annual Report on Bald Eagle Status.
The US Fish and Wildlife Service attributed bald eagle population reductions to a widespread loss of suitable habitat. But it also noted that illegal shooting was still the leading cause of direct mortality in both adult and immature bald eagles, according to a 1978 report in the Endangered Species Tech Bulletin.
A 1984 National Wildlife Federation publication listed hunting, power line electrocution, collisions in flight and poisoning from eating ducks containing lead shot as the leading causes of eagle deaths.
None of these reports implicated DDT. In fact, in addition to these reports, numerous scientific studies and experiments vindicated the chemical.
US Fish and Wildlife Service biologists fed large doses of DDT to captive bald eagles for 112 days and concluded that DDT residues encountered by eagles in the environment would not adversely affect eagles or their eggs, according to a 1966 report published in the Transcripts of 31st North America Wildlife Conference.
The USFWS examined every bald eagle found dead in the United States between 1961 and 1977 (266 birds) and reported no adverse effects caused by DDT or its residues.
One of the most notorious DDT myths is that it thinned bird egg shells. However, a 1970 study published in Pesticides Monitoring Journal reported that DDT residues in bird egg shells were not correlated with thinning. Numerous other feeding studies on caged birds likewise indicated that DDT is not associated with egg shell thinning.Steven Milloy
Wall Street Journal
December 28, 2006
Quote from: jarhead on June 28, 2011, 09:28:49 AM
Steve,
Does DDT kill squash bugs ? If so, I say give me the poison ! Them pesky sons a guns seem to thrive on Sevin or anything else out there on the market. If I had a flame thrower I would kill me a bunch of squash bugs---and zucchini plants.
Yep i beileve it does. It will even kill Bedbugs... The only objection i would have to using it is around an apiary. They would have to notify an apiary before spraying. That way we could lock up the bees for a day and then let em out
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 28, 2011, 08:47:43 AM
You just go ahead and have a big ol bowl of it Steve.......Who says it's safe?????Oh yeah........that pesky reliable government and those big corporations we are all so fond of....... and GOD knows they wouldn't lie ::)
Your darn right i'll use it! Kills mosquitos and other Disease carrying insects. The benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
its just a matter of time before we get malaria in this country with all the illegals coming in. SOme one is going to be carrying and get eat up by mosquitos and they will in turn carry it out.
The smartest thing about the re release of DDT is that they don't let average joe homeowner have it. But folks like me who have pesticide applicators permits can buy all they want! There are far worse chemicals out there than DDT. FAR worse.
Jarhead, I Don't doubt yoru squashbugs snort sevin they are becoming immune to it. Its from all the IMPROPER use of sevin. People these days are dumb. They do not follow the directions on the bag. The simple fact is this..IF YOU DO NOT put enough of the product out to kill all the bugs, those that survive will lay eggs and those eggs hatch producing immune bugs to the pesticide. But average joe blow out there can't be convinced to apply the proper amount cause of the cost of the pesticide. They wanna do it on the cheap
Do you reckon our Elk County Economic Development And Youth Services employee had the conscent of the Elk County Commissioner's Board meeting to call the Elk County Summer Day Camp the Elk Konnected Day Camp on the Grant form filed for Elk County?
Just asking?
If she did have their permission what would that mean?
Would that possibly mean that our elected officials no longer work for
all the county taxpayers?
If the commissioners did not give their consent would that mean they should take some kind of action?
I mean really, what's happening to our county?
Does anyone have any answers?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Steve.....I have one word for what you're pushin.........BULLSHIT.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 28, 2011, 09:57:01 AM
The smartest thing about the re release of DDT is that they don't let average joe homeowner have it. But folks like me who have pesticide applicators permits can buy all they want! There are far worse chemicals out there than DDT. FAR worse.
Aint we lucky you are such an expert about every friggin thing in the world...How did that neck of the woods ever draw a personage of your eminence to grace it with your presence much less be enticed to share your abundant wisdom about every thing with the un-educated average joes................who are deluded by images of birth defects and seeing cancer deaths associated with the WONDEFUL chemicals our scientists have invented...............
QuoteThe benefits far outweigh the disadvantages.
oh.........well that makes it okay then.........my bad :P ::)
thats a justification that has NEVER come back to bite anybody in the ass.....ever
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 28, 2011, 10:47:04 AM
Steve.....I have one word for what you're pushin.........BULLSHIT.
Aint we lucky you are such an expert about every friggin thing in the world...How did that neck of the woods ever draw a personage of your eminence to grace it with your presence much less be enticed to share your abundant wisdom about every thing with the un-educated average joes................who are deluded by images of birth defects and seeing cancer deaths associated with the WONDEFUL chemicals our scientists have invented...............
Yeah i am a expert on it. I have been trained in the use and have years of use of the chemicals. So i call your bullshit statement and raise it to TRY AGAIN!
As far as gracing you with my presence, You would be so lucky if I were to do that! Doubt it will happen though.
Quoteoh.........well that makes it okay then.........my bad :P ::)
thats a justification that has NEVER come back to bite anybody in the ass.....ever
Yep it does. Malaria or a couple eagles. I'll take the couple eagles any day. You can keep the malaria.
BTW I do have the paper that says i am a expert at it! SO i must be an expert at it!
Wheres your paper that says your qualified to evaluate the potential of these chemicals. Got a degree in chemistry do you? One of my majors you know. :)
Yeah I have what I call a grass roots education.......It came from my own research....ON BOTH sides of most questions...and the fact of the matter is for every study you can find about "How Safe" and "Wonderful" our modern science experiments are I can give you a refuting one. So instead of gettin in a pissin contest with you I'm sayin to everybody RESEARCH it for yourself....read BOTH sides and decide if you want a chemical cocktail everytime you get a drink, take a shower, do your laundry.....not to mention doin such things will get a lot farther and fewer between because of the amount of water being used in a already water thin place to mix their wonderful chemical cocktail.
I have a degree in hard won experience.......I didnt pay for the privilege of listenin to some big-feelin college professor give me his opinion.
A college degree trotted out as justification does not impress me....I'm cool like that.
QuoteAs far as gracing you with my presence, You would be so lucky if I were to do that! Doubt it will happen though.
uh...dude......I was BEING sarcastic......I apologize if you thought I was actually impressed with your eminence or actually wanted to hang out with you.......
Yall have a nice day :) even you Steve ;)
Actually Steve, my father did, and a masters and on and on. In 1962 (I think) when the studies were released he stopped using DDT and never touched it again. He did some research on his own and agreed with what had been released. I won't argue with you because you never ever change your mind, but I know what happened here. I could write a lot about the eagles and ospreys and bluebirds here and what happened with the DDT run off and fish and thin eggshells but I won't waste my time. Go back and reread Silent Spring again, see where it was written. Steve, I respectfully disagree with you on the DDT business, but you go right ahead and do what you want....out there!
Steve, if you have all the education, experience, credentials, etc., that you claim you have, what the-----------are you doing trying to exist on disability? There is surely one of those that you could work in even though you are physically disabled.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 28, 2011, 11:13:18 AM
Yeah I have what I call a grass roots education.......It came from my own research....ON BOTH sides of most questions...and the fact of the matter is for every study you can find about "How Safe" and "Wonderful" our modern science experiments are I can give you a refuting one. So instead of gettin in a pissin contest with you I'm sayin to everybody RESEARCH it for yourself....read BOTH sides and decide if you want a chemical cocktail everytime you get a drink, take a shower, do your laundry.....not to mention doin such things will get a lot farther and fewer between because of the amount of water being used in a already water thin place to mix their wonderful chemical cocktail.
I have a degree in hard won experience.......I didnt pay for the privilege of listenin to some big-feelin college professor give me his opinion.
A college degree trotted out as justification does not impress me....I'm cool like that.
There ya go, Ignorance at its finest. Gotta trash the college degree when it doesn't agree with your opinion! Doesn't matter than The science speaks differently....
For the folks out there that MIGHT NOT KNOW, DDT is very slightly water soluable so that Means, it doesn't mix well at all with water. No real chance of it getting into your water supply. UNLESS You dump a ton of it in one spot it won't leach out. IN order for it to do so, it has to dissolve into water which is a universal solvent and DDT isn't water soluable.
THe LD50 for humans is 500mg per kg so that MEANS that you would have to eat 50,000mg or 11 POUNDS of the stuff in order for it to possibly kill you 50/50 chance. 11 POUNDs now. The chemical has a half life of 10 days. As with most chemicals it breaks down into its basic inert components. IS ddt dangerous if used improperly, you bet your bippy. IS it when used properly? Nope not at all thats why they have proper use instructions printed on a bag so any moron can use it safely.
IF yall drink Coffee, the Caffeine in that coffee is more toxic to you than the DDT ever will be.
Quote from: Wilma on June 28, 2011, 12:33:58 PM
Steve, if you ohave all the education, experience, credentials, etc., that you claim you have, what the-----------are you doing trying to exist on disability? There is surely one of those that you could work in even though you are physically disabled.
What has that got to do with the topic? Its NONE Of your business wilma. WHY are you getting SS. Your young enough to work, to teach folks what you have learned over the years for a paycheck too.
Just because i have a degree doesn't mean I am able to work a job at it. In fact i've got 2 degrees, and a mittful of experience and it doesn't amount to a cup of coffee for me cause i can't do the work anymore. AND the SS dept took those deg's into account when they awarded me the disability and i passed through all the hoops to get it. But you really think i would be on it if i actually had a choice in it? I'll tell ya right now i would rather be making 120k a year than this measly pittance they think is enough to supplement me.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 28, 2011, 11:18:52 AM
Actually Steve, my father did, and a masters and on and on. In 1962 (I think) when the studies were released he stopped using DDT and never touched it again. He did some research on his own and agreed with what had been released. I won't argue with you because you never ever change your mind, but I know what happened here. I could write a lot about the eagles and ospreys and bluebirds here and what happened with the DDT run off and fish and thin eggshells but I won't waste my time. Go back and reread silent spring again, see where it was written. Steve, I respectfully disagree with you on the DDT business, but you go right ahead and do what you want....out there!
You know all those tests and studies were used back in the 60s during the "eco" movement. I don't know what would have changed his mind other than the possibility that it could cause cancer. Hell everything these days causes cancer. flip a coin on anything you do.
Quite frankly i don't use pesticide around here until a pest becomes beyond control. ITs called IPM. ANd i'll use anything to get rid of it if it means that i get control back. IN FACT most people think DDT is banned these days but its not completely banned. Like i said the US is re-licensing it for use here in the states.
Theres far worse chemicals out there. You know the good folks that are supposedly buying the power from this windfarm going in? The Tennessee VAlley authority. THey have destroyed more lakes and streams than DDT ever would have. THey dumped PCV's into the water supply from their dams. THat never goes away, and is unfortunately FAT soluable. So what happens, fish eat it. it absorbs into the fat and oils of the fish, they swim around, and die, and other fish eat the dead fish and it quickly kills off the laakes and streams. THen you have people catch the fish and eat them and they get it into their fat cells and over time it builds up and kills them. You see, pcv's do not flush out of your fat cells. THey build up and build up until you reach a fatal dose.
BUT you have TVA who hasn't bothered with clean up, willing to buy power from the windfarm and folks eager to sell it to them. There goes that clean energy down the tubes you know cause its being distributed by one of the worst polluters in the country.
BTW its a Government Backed agency too.
And that is exactly why there are recommendations on how often, or perhaps I should say how seldom, certain fish should be eaten. Telling me there are worse things out there isn't something new to me, but I'll stand by what I already said. We've had continued habitat loss here but the eagle population is up dramatically. I remember when the eagles about disappeared along the Susquehanna River near the Conowingo Dam years ago.They have come back gradually but consistently since the DDT stopped. Especially in late fall and winter there can be many eagles because the fishing is so good there. Did you mean PCBs?
QuoteThere ya go, Ignorance at its finest. Gotta trash the college degree when it doesn't agree with your opinion! Doesn't matter than The science speaks differently....
there ya go....."Educated" elitism at it's best....trash the self-educated when it doesnt agree with your "learned" board-certified paper- hangin opinion. Doesn't matter when actual experience speaks differently than the science wants you to believe
Go ahead...dazzle me with your expertness..........
QuoteTheres far worse chemicals out there. You know the good folks that are supposedly buying the power from this windfarm going in? The Tennessee VAlley authority. THey have destroyed more lakes and streams than DDT ever would have. THey dumped PCV's into the water supply from their dams. THat never goes away, and is unfortunately FAT soluable. So what happens, fish eat it. it absorbs into the fat and oils of the fish, they swim around, and die, and other fish eat the dead fish and it quickly kills off the laakes and streams. THen you have people catch the fish and eat them and they get it into their fat cells and over time it builds up and kills them. You see, pcv's do not flush out of your fat cells. THey build up and build up until you reach a fatal dose.
No shit???????
DDT is toxic........go get a big ol lungful if you dont believe it. Spill some on your bare skin...see how wonderful you feel then..... it's not an argument....it's fact.......not going to change my mind one iota. Go ahead and put out the "party feel good propaganda"
I wait with bated breath for my education in the safety of chemical compounds.........................
OK...MSDS... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Now Pam ,remember, some of us college educated folks are pretty nice people. 8) ;D ;)
I am on your side Steve. All the people that you are talking too have been there,done it, done it again and they are right no matter what. You know when you claim to be smarter then any one on the forum, which several of these people think they are. Steve you will never win. Hang in there I am on your side. I know what my daughters college degree has done for her she is now on her masters. I wish I would have done what she has done. Life does not treat all of us the same. Not only that, tlhis thread is about the commissioners meeting and as usual we have not stayed on the topic.
Quote from: Jane on June 28, 2011, 04:02:53 PM
Not only that, tlhis thread is about the commissioners meeting and as usual we have not stayed on the topic.
Thank you, Jane. Of course, when talking about deadly things, let's not forget the singularly deadly effect that undue influence by special interests over elected officials can have. Especially if those special interests hold elected office or government positions.
Quote from: Jane on June 28, 2011, 04:02:53 PM
I am on your side Steve. All the people that you are talking too have been there,done it, done it again and they are right no matter what. You know when you claim to be smarter then any one on the forum, which several of these people think they are. Steve you will never win. Hang in there I am on your side. I know what my daughters college degree has done for her she is now on her masters. I wish I would have done what she has done. Life does not treat all of us the same. Not only that, tlhis thread is about the commissioners meeting and as usual we have not stayed on the topic.
Hey Jane......I'm not SMARTER than anybody but I sure as HELL am no DUMBER and I really despise being talked "down" to because I didn't get a piece of paper. No Steve WON'T win....we are opposite sides of an issue :-*
I'm really not that anal about "staying on topic", I dont do snarky people well and I'm kinda tired of bein polite so you have a nice day there sweety :)
Jane, that surprises me. I wouldn't have thought you'd be a pro DDT and insecticide person, given your pretty spiderweb photo. I'm not 100% organic but I use as little as possible and try to use natural measures when I can. As far as the malaria issue ,that also came up during WWII when soldiers were coming home from malaria riddled areas. An expected out break here never happened then and hasn't now either. ( I suppose they know why but I don't.) The military does watch and research that kind of thing.
No college education, reminds me of an old saying: He who represents himself, has a fool for a client.
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Steve, I am 81 years old and I am physically disabled to the point that I have to use a wheel chair to get around. I wouldn't have a chance of getting a job as a teacher as my formal education ended with high school graduation. Anything else that I know has been picked up through experience.
Pam, as to education, I don't know if you remember my husband or not. His education ended with 8th grade, yet he worked for Beech Aircraft for 38 years and was a tech in Engineering when he retired. He retired in 1992 and was making $19.00 an hour. His secret was that he was willing to work and learn. He was willing to stay with the job instead of going off to chase a rainbow that didn't have an end.
I guess your education is what you do with it.
Changes are coming... stay connected citizens.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 28, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
Hey Jane......I'm not SMARTER than anybody but I sure as HELL am no DUMBER and I really despise being talked "down" to because I didn't get a piece of paper. No Steve WON'T win....we are opposite sides of an issue :-*
I'm really not that anal about "staying on topic", I dont do snarky people well and I'm kinda tired of bein polite so you have a nice day there sweety :)
Why is it every other time you post you say I really despise being talked "down" to, or someone is twisting your words.
That's got to be a terrible, terrible feeling. I sure hope that feeling goes away soon.
By the way ----- Doesn't Elk Konnected remind us to keep it positive or something like that?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
I'm gonna try this one again.
Do you reckon our Elk County Economic Development And Youth Services employee had the conscent of the Elk County Commissioner's Board meeting to call the Elk County Summer Day Camp the Elk Konnected Day Camp on the Grant form filed for Elk County?
Just asking?
If she did have their permission what would that mean?
Would that possibly mean that our elected officials no longer work for all the county taxpayers?
If the commissioners did not give their consent would that mean they should take some kind of action?
I mean really, what's happening to our county?
Does anyone have any answers?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Ross on June 28, 2011, 07:19:36 PM
Does anyone have any answers?
Someone surely does, Rosss. And surely those who know would speak if the answers weren't problematic. Of course there are all those other unanswered questions, too. And the increasing numbers of people waking up and asking those questions and more. Time will tell.
Do the taxpayers provide mileage costs and/or wages for any county employees to attend and 'work' at Elk Konnected functions?
Just wondering.
Who steers the steering committee???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Why the need to hide when they promised to be open on this forum???
Questions Galore
Quote from: Wilma on June 28, 2011, 06:03:32 PM
Steve, I am 81 years old and I am physically disabled to the point that I have to use a wheel chair to get around. I wouldn't have a chance of getting a job as a teacher as my formal education ended with high school graduation. Anything else that I know has been picked up through experience.
Well then you will understand why i am not able to get back to work. I'm totally and physically disabled to the point i can't go back to work. OTHERWISE I would be working.
But you are young enough and your mind is still all right.
Quote from: Wilma on June 28, 2011, 08:30:34 PM
But you are young enough and your mind is still all right.
You don't seem to understand my body isn't cooperating.
Do you mean that you are no longer able to get up and dress yourself, feed yourself and get yourself ready to take yourself to a job where you can sit around all day and use your brain?
QuoteDo the taxpayers provide mileage costs and/or wages for any county employees to attend and 'work' at Elk Konnected functions?
That is a double edged sword of a question, which in my mind is nitpicking...sorry
The Comissioners decides who is to get milage cost (at the State rate) and wages are part of the 'work' that they do for a particular class/function (COUNTY related) or meeting of the counties.
If it is in the budget of that particular department, then perhaps. If the comissioners don't percieve it as a 'why should we' factor, then, it is denied.
SIMPLE.....be fair for all, or not be fair for some.
Seems to be the law of the land now....
Quote from: Wilma on June 28, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
Do you mean that you are no longer able to get up and dress yourself, feed yourself and get yourself ready to take yourself to a job where you can sit around all day and use your brain?
Wilma, did it ever occur to you that Steve might be disabled with PTSD. Maybe he can't be around people that just keep beating a dead horse over---and over---and over---and after listening to it over and over , maybe he wants to strangle them . Just a thought
Quote from: Wilma on June 28, 2011, 08:39:27 PM
Do you mean that you are no longer able to get up and dress yourself, feed yourself and get yourself ready to take yourself to a job where you can sit around all day and use your brain?
Thats pretty much what almost killed me in the first place and disabled me. The sitting and using my brain. Ok lets get it out. Worked my butt off most of my life. worked construction when i was teen, worked restaurant work in my late teens early 20s, became a sous chef in aspen. That was seasonal and didn't provide a good enough living so i worked back in construction this time walking iron. That is steel beams in the building and my job was bolting them together. Slipped and fell off the 6th story beam, and lost my nerve to climb on beams anymore so i drove a truck for a living. Worked til i was hit by another driver, crushed my right side. Took 2 years to heal, got out of my wheel chair cause i was bound and determined i would not die in a wheel chair. Still walk with a limp to this day. Went to school for electronics. Graduated 4.0 went to work for myself started a computer company. Sold company 2 years later when i moved. Got pushed out of computers due to big box stores coming in and selling lower than i could build them for. Took my skills started over again. This is where the job started killing me. Worked IT for around 9 years. 1st year at 35, 1st heart attack, next year second heart attack, went two more years 3rd heart attack, next year 4th, and in 2001 my sixth heart attack took me out of the workforce. Totally. Surgery was botched up, level 5 angina pain all the time. went back to school thinking i could retrain and go back to work. Got my hort degree in 2006 and found out, couldn't work at that either. Moved here in 2007 and have been somewhat healthier than before but still not able to do more than a few things. So no I can't go sit at a job. It will kill me.
Quote from: jarhead on June 28, 2011, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Do you mean that you are no longer able to get up and dress yourself, feed yourself and get yourself ready to take yourself to a job where you can sit around all day and use your brain?
Wilma, did it ever occur to you that Steve might be disabled with PTSD. Maybe he can't be around people that just keep beating a dead horse over---and over---and over---and after listening to it over and over , maybe he wants to strangle them . Just a thought
ROTFLMAO
Quote from: jarhead on June 28, 2011, 09:02:02 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Do you mean that you are no longer able to get up and dress yourself, feed yourself and get yourself ready to take yourself to a job where you can sit around all day and use your brain?
Wilma, did it ever occur to you that Steve might be disabled with PTSD. Maybe he can't be around people that just keep beating a dead horse over---and over---and over---and after listening to it over and over , maybe he wants to strangle them . Just a thought
Besides that Jarhead they don't make enough sickdays in a job to cover the amount of time i am sick. Hell i would fire myself if i were sick that much at my job.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Patriot on June 28, 2011, 07:33:23 PM
Someone surely does, Rosss. And surely those who know would speak if the answers weren't problematic. Of course there are all those other unanswered questions, too. And the increasing numbers of people waking up and asking those questions and more. Time will tell.
Do the taxpayers provide mileage costs and/or wages for any county employees to attend and 'work' at Elk Konnected functions?
Just wondering.
You know, that is really a legitimate question. A question that could best be answered by the county clerk. As for the mileage, I don't know what the rate is currently, but ready said it was at "state" rate. The county commissioners in the past have always chosen to go with the state rate just to make things simple.
Another question would be, what county employees are working at Elk Konnected functions besides Jennifer Brummel? A question best answered by the county clerk. Someone could call. Maybe me, maybe you.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 28, 2011, 09:13:42 PM
THats pretty much what almost killed me in the first place and disabled me. The sitting and using my brain. Ok lets get it out. Worked my butt off most of my life. worked construction when i was teen, worked restaurant work in my late teens early 20s, became a sous chef in aspen. That was seasonal and didn't provide a good enough living so i worked back in contruction this time walking iron. That is steel beams in the building and my job was bolting them together. Slipped and fell off the 6th story beam, and lost my nerve to climb on beams anymore so i drove a truck for a living. Worked til i was hit by another driver, crushed my right side. Took 2 years to heal, got out of my wheel chair cause i was bound and determined i would not die in a wheel chair. Still walk with a limp to this day. Went to school for electronics. Graduated 4.0 went to work for myself started a computer company. Sold company 2 years later when i moved. Got pushed out of computers due to big box stores coming in and selling lower than i could build them for. Took my skills started over again. This is where the job started killing me. Worked IT for around 9 years. 1st year at 35, 1st heart attack, next year second heart attack, went two more years 3rd heart attack, next year 4th, and in 2001 my sixth heart attack took me out of the workforce. TOtally. Surgery was botched up, level 5 angina pain all the time. wnet back to school thinking i could retrain and go back to work. Got my hort degree in 2006 and found out, couldn't work at that either. Moved here in 2007 and have been somewhat healthier than before but still not able to do more than a few things. So no I can't go sit at a job. It will kill me.
Geeze, Steve. You have already lived a lifetime and more. All I can say is, more power to you. You are a brave soul to have come back from all that. Now that you have shared that with us, it makes for better understanding. About those computers, I am so mad at mine right now, I could throw it against the wall. However; it is going to the computer doctor tomorrow and I hope they can find out why the toasterlauncher.exe has quit working. LOL
Or maybe it is toastlauncher.exe. Can't remember.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 28, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
Or maybe it is toastlauncher.exe. Can't remember.
::)
Maybe it is your toaster...
or your brain after it was toasted...
::)
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 28, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
Or maybe it is toastlauncher.exe. Can't remember.
Dang Janet, I'm just impressed that you computer can make toast.... ;D
Lisa, another Harrington
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 28, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
Or maybe it is toastlauncher.exe. Can't remember.
I would suspect it is a virus or trojan. They target toasterlauncher since it is a vital part of windoze. It is essentially a file manager for system files. Before spending money on a repair bill, try going to www.housecall.trendmicro.com and scanning your puter. Then fix errors.
I suspect it has been replaced with a virus or trojan. I can help with removal of it if you need help.
Steve
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 28, 2011, 10:00:44 PM
Geeze, Steve. You have already lived a lifetime and more. All I can say is, more power to you. You are a brave soul to have come back from all that. Now that you have shared that with us, it makes for better understanding.
You know, i'm tired. Just plain worn out. Raised 6 kids most of the time by myself. I figure i cut at least 15 years off my life with the 16-20 hour days i worked all those years. Thats why i love this minifarm. Wake up, drink my coffee and watch the sun come up through my east window by my computer, sometimes i go sit out on the front step and do it. I love watching my critters graze, chickens doing what chickens do, and the bees forrageing everywhere in town. ITs cool to go anywhere in town and see them, say to myself yep those are my girls out there! But i haven't stopped. I just slowed way down! IF i were to give advice on working to the youth, I would say prepare yourself by finishing school, get a higher education you can't make it these days without it. Be it college, tech, or one of those pay plenty schools but do so as cheap as possible. Do not go into debt period. Then do not fall for the 40 hour week lie. That will only get you by. You put in the extra 10 -20 hours. BUT do not go over 60 UNLESS its your own business. Then you put all you can into it. Take any excess you have in pay, which you will IF and ONLY IF you put in the hours over 40 and invest it in something. Never stop upgrading your skills through education.
IF you want to work a decent job these days, you must get an education beyond highschool. AND don't go picking something like history major(Not dissing the new folks that are). Ask the new guy. YOu have to be very smart and look to the future as to what jobs are going to be there. For now, 2 fields will be paying the best in the next 10 -20 years. 1.Nursing (that particular field) 2.Medical techs, 3. Information Technology Field but you have to specialize in something buisness uses, NOt windows administration. Everyone and their brother is doing that. Pick something very few people are doing.
traditional jobs like construction ect are too volitile and depend totally on economy. There is one constant in this, People will get sick and die, and Businesses cannot operate these days without computer systems. IF you think like that, you will always be employed at a GOOD paying job not some 7 - 15 dollar an hour job.
Thats one reason i picked raising bees here. IF everyone could do it, then honey would be cheap and the honeybee wouldn't be declining and if the SHTF and the economy goes bust, I will still have a market for honey. People use sweeteners and IF the market goes bust sugar will be sky high, and People will still drink, i can make mead out of any honey supply i have that i can't sell. LOL
Quote from: Janet Harrington on June 28, 2011, 09:57:52 PM
You know, that is really a legitimate question. A question that could best be answered by the county clerk. As for the mileage, I don't know what the rate is currently, but ready said it was at "state" rate. The county commissioners in the past have always chosen to go with the state rate just to make things simple.
Another question would be, what county employees are working at Elk Konnected functions besides Jennifer Brummel? A question best answered by the county clerk. Someone could call. Maybe me, maybe you.
You don't get it. Elk Konnected says it has a community. I ask where? Who are the registered members or owners? Not who are the followers. Let the real Elk Konnected come out and talk, how would that be? Why are they hiding.
Steve...I apologize for any stress I have given you. This aint sarcasm or given lightly. Won't happen again. I know what stress can do to hearts from personal experience.
I just happened to drive through Moline and I saw the state state employes putting up a stop signs on each of main street.
I also noticed the Elk County grant funded Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp in a church yard. Wow, what a turn out --- I counted 12 kids. Wow, I'm impressed. The kids were playing with water guns and hulahoops and really looked bored. But that's just my opinion.
But let's see, wasn't that grant for $13,800 for 6 weeks of day camp for 2 hours a day 5 days a week. By my calculations that comes to about $230 an hour to have 12 bored kids. What do you think? Does that come to about $19.16 an hour per kid?
Isn't that about par for government spending?????
To my way of thinking Day Camp at day care would be a lot cheaper and maybe more thrilling for the kids. Something to think about.
Why couldn't a grant like that be used each year in the different communities to install better play ground equipment for the children.
So they could use the equipment in their own community year round. Instead of traveling to other communities fo two hours of boredom? Just something to think about. As I have heard Elk Konnected say we need something more permanent, something that will last.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on June 29, 2011, 10:14:16 AM
Steve...I apologize for any stress I have given you. This aint sarcasm or given lightly. Won't happen again. I know what stress can do to hearts from personal experience.
Thanks, i'm not going to drop on ya :) The stress is a killer, most people do not know that though unfortunately.
And Pam, i appologize on my part. I'm a curmudgeon or so i am told :D It comes out sometimes.
Quote from: Ross on June 29, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
I just happened to drive through Moline and I saw the state state employes putting up a stop signs on each of main street.
I also noticed the Elk County grant funded Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp in a church yard. Wow, what a turn out --- I counted 12 kids. Wow, I'm impressed. The kids were playing with water guns and hulahoops and really looked bored. But that's just my opinion.
But let's see, wasn't that grant for $13,800 for 6 weeks of day camp for 2 hours a day 5 days a week. By my calculations that comes to about $230 an hour to have 12 bored kids. What do you think? Does that come to about $19.16 an hour per kid?
Isn't that about par for government spending?????
To my way of thinking Day Camp at day care would be a lot cheaper and maybe more thrilling for the kids. Something to think about.
Why couldn't a grant like that be used each year in the different communities to install better play ground equipment for the children.
So they could use the equipment in their own community year round. Instead of traveling to other communities fo two hours of boredom? Just something to think about. As I have heard Elk Konnected say we need something more permanent, something that will last.
No kidding, my idea of day camp is ya go out and do some kool fun stuff. Hiking camping, fishing, swimming, zip lines. archery, shooting range with .22's things like that. What the heck ever happened to the fun stuff.
I believe the Summer Day Camp is for 12 years old and under but it looked mostly 10 and under.
But all that money for 12 or 14 kids, don't you find that a bit rediculous?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Ross on June 29, 2011, 10:31:48 AM
...But let's see, wasn't that grant for $13,800 for 6 weeks of day camp for 2 hours a day 5 days a week. By my calculations that comes to about $230 an hour to have 12 bored kids. What do you think? Does that come to about $19.16 an hour per kid?
Why couldn't a grant like that be used each year in the different communities to install better play ground equipment for the children.
So they could use the equipment in their own community year round. Instead of traveling to other communities fo two hours of boredom? Just something to think about. As I have heard Elk Konnected say we need something more permanent, something that will last.
The equipment idea is a great one. EK could even be memorialized with their logo on a bronze plaque, assuming they decided to get their own grant. Years of enjoyment & exercise. And way more than just a few hours worth each year.
Maybe there's a steering committee position for you yet, Ross! You need to contact an admitted member to find out. Wait... we don't know who they are. :o
I got a better idea.
How about the county take care of their own business and use their resources for their own business.
Assistance is one thing?
But how much is to much?
Hand ups are one thing.
But hand outs, aren't they something else?
Is there any kind of code of ethics or bylaws or employee requirements?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Ross, it wasn't a Moline vacation bible school group you saw? How do you know they were "bored?'' Just curious. I don't know where the day camps were to be held in each community of course, but I know ours were always at a park or rec area of some sort, still are. I do a small part of some of the day camps here. I'll be doing firehouse tours that the kids will be walking to...and it's a hefty walk downtown from the day camp at the Wilson Center. Then I'll be going to them, plus the ambulance and fire engine, and doing a fire safety class for the parents who can attend. Of course I'm paid the big bucks due to my 31 years of "Safety Town" and Newark day camp experience. In fact, I got a 50% raise this year ! ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 29, 2011, 01:25:12 PM
Ross, it wasn't a Moline vacation bible school group you saw? How do you know they were "bored?'' Just curious. I don't know where the day camps were to be held in each community of course, but I know ours were always at a park or rec area of some sort, still are. I do a small part of some of the day camps here. I'll be doing firehouse tours that the kids will be walking to...and it's a hefty walk downtown from the day camp at the Wilson Center. Then I'll be going to them, plus the ambulance and fire engine, and doing a fire safety class for the parents who can attend. Of course I'm paid the big bucks due to my 31 years of "Safety Town" and Newark day camp experience. In fact, I got a 50% raise this year ! ;)
No, Diane it wasn't VBS. I stopped at a friends house across the street before I noticed the kids amd I asked her what was going on. She wasn't sure, anyway the kids looked bored to me (IMHO). I stopped and asked the lady with the kids if it was VBS or Summer Day Camp.
Being the youngest in a family of ten kids I have neices and nephews nearly my age and as much as 20 years younger. And there are somewhere around 24 of them. I fed and burped them but I refused to do diapers. I carried one through baptism. I taught a bunch of them to walk and talk and hunt and fish and how to throw spit balls at the teacher. Joking on the last one. I have and am now raising a child. No easy task.
This didn't look anything educational in any way. Looked more like daycare. Only I have seen daycares with swing sets and stuff to play on.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Peace Steve :)
Diane,
Did you even notice the figure I worked out for this Elk County Funded, Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp?
Didn't you think an estimate of $19.16 an hour per kid is pretty steep?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Ross=I have been doing some reading and found one problem with your recent posts about the money in question for the Elk County Summer Day Camps. You stated that the camp is 2 hours a day, 5 days a week. I thought I had read somewhere that these "camps" were 3 hours a day, 3 days a week. I searched and searched for the story that I had read but can't find it anywhere; does anyone have a link to it so that I can be sure how long the camps are held? Anyway, if it is in deed 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, they are spending a considerable amount more! Three days a week for 6 weeks is 18 days. The grant is for $13,800 for 18 days? That is a little ridiculous! Do they use that entire amount EVERY year? One would think that they would have some money left over to use for the next years' day camps! Do they not? Has anyone checked?
the shadow KNOWS!
Steve, I'm not sure. If that included arts and crafts supplies for "make and take" projects and things for music, games and sports, maybe not. Are snacks or swimming pool fees involved? Bus rental for a trip? Are the teen counselors paid from that?
Here we have commercial sponsors that help with Safety Town. McDonalds provides free juice and snack cookies every day. I provide free fire safety coloring books, activity books, little fold and put together cardboard fire trucks, fire hats and sticker badges, and pencils . The Newark Police provide similar things, plus a trip to the Police Station. Other sponsors provide other things.
If the Elk folks have to buy it all from their funds, it could add up, depending on the number of kids total, how long the day is and how many days each camp is.
Day camp is 3 days a week for 4 hours a day. It takes place in Moline, Howard, Longton, Severy, and Grenola. Also the money can be used for more than one year. It goes for the teens salaries and supplies.
Quote from: the shadow on June 29, 2011, 02:37:05 PM
Ross=I have been doing some reading and found one problem with your recent posts about the money in question for the Elk County Summer Day Camps. You stated that the camp is 2 hours a day, 5 days a week. I thought I had read somewhere that these "camps" were 3 hours a day, 3 days a week. I searched and searched for the story that I had read but can't find it anywhere; does anyone have a link to it so that I can be sure how long the camps are held? Anyway, if it is in deed 3 hours a day, 3 days a week, they are spending a considerable amount more! Three days a week for 6 weeks is 18 days. The grant is for $13,800 for 18 days? That is a little ridiculous! Do they use that entire amount EVERY year? One would think that they would have some money left over to use for the next years' day camps! Do they not? Has anyone checked?
the shadow KNOWS!
I have been known to be wrong.
But either way it just plain looks like a waste of money to me.
The kids could go to each others homes and play and have more fun (IMHO).
But then there wouldn't be any headlines, would there?
Quote from: mayflower on June 29, 2011, 03:27:06 PM
Day camp is 3 days a week for 4 hours a day. It takes place in Moline, Howard, Longton, Severy, and Grenola. Also the money can be used for more than one year. It goes for the teens salaries and supplies.
Can be used for more than one year, but
is it,
that is the question. There should be quite a surplus after paying minimum wage to a few teenagers for what, 72 hours; buying a few "supplies"; and having "camp" for 72 hours, in my opinion. I would think
one grant could fund at least 2 years of camps, easily. No meals are fed, I assume, just snacks? So these kids aren't eating lobster, right? Those "supplies" must be awful expensive. Maybe Elk Konnected, LLC should shop around for better deals to use the County's grant money a little more wisely.
the shadow KNOWS!
Quote from: the shadow on June 29, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Can be used for more than one year, but is it, that is the question. There should be quite a surplus after paying minimum wage to a few teenagers for what, 72 hours; buying a few "supplies"; and having "camp" for 72 hours, in my opinion. I would think one grant could fund at least 2 years of camps, easily. No meals are fed, I assume, just snacks? So these kids aren't eating lobster, right? Those "supplies" must be awful expensive. Maybe Elk Konnected, LLC should shop around for better deals to use the County's grant money a little more wisely.
the shadow KNOWS!
But then you wouldn't be buying elk county supplies.
Quote from: mayflower on June 29, 2011, 03:27:06 PM
Day camp is 3 days a week for 4 hours a day. It takes place in Moline, Howard, Longton, Severy, and Grenola. Also the money can be used for more than one year. It goes for the teens salaries and supplies.
That would appear to change things by 12 hours over the sum of the whole day camp. Not much difference.
The hula hoops and water pistiols looked like dollar store stuff. Can't cost much can it?
So who is keeping the books on all this $13,800, Elk County recieved as a grant?
I did forget the snacks. The grant pays for them too when needed. The grant can be used for as long as it lasts. Also, when I volunteered for helping with day camp, they were having a blast.
Mr. srkruzich=Any "business" owner knows that you don't just shop locally and expect to get good deals. Now, I believe that if the shopping was done locally, good deals were made that benefitted both EKLLC and the store of choice. My point is though, that with over $13,000, there should be a large surplus each year, even if they do shop at Batson's.
Quote from: Ross on June 29, 2011, 03:49:09 PM
So who is keeping the books on all this $13,800, Elk County recieved as a grant?
Yes, please do tell,
who is keeping the books? I do hope it is someone with a degree in accounting and not just some flunkie skimming money wherever they feel like it!
the shadow KNOWS!
Woo! Are you suspicious or what? I just checked our camp fees. There is a small discount for in city residents who pay city taxes. Safety Town is $122.00 for 10 days, 9:00 to 12:00, or the afternoon session from 1:00 to 4:00. No more than 45 kids per session. Tot lot for the really little kids is $112.00 for four days, three hours each.The regular big day camp is $122.00 for 5 days, 8:30-3:3.0 This is the typical camp with swimming ,arts ,crafts, music, sports etc. Then there are a bunch of specialty camps for soccer ,art ,drama, etc at similar rates. We've got 33 parks inside the city limits encompassing 450 acres. A few of the camps are held just outside town at Iron Hill museum. It has local Indian culture, mineral, fossil and animal displays. You can figure out if these are comparable to yours if you wish.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 29, 2011, 04:21:03 PM
...This is the typical camp with swimming ,arts ,crafts, music, sports etc. Then there are a bunch of specialty camps for soccer ,art ,drama, etc at similar rates. We've got 33 parks inside the city limits encompassing 450 acres. A few of the camps are held just outside town at Iron Hill museum. It has local Indian culture, mineral, fossil and animal displays. You can figure out if these are comparable to yours if you wish.
Shhhhh! You'll have our kids wanting to leave here when they graduate 6th grade rather than waiting till 12th grade.
Quote from: the shadow on June 29, 2011, 03:53:52 PM
...Yes, please do tell, who is keeping the books? I do hope it is someone with a degree in accounting and not just some flunkie skimming money wherever they feel like it!
As I understand it, that county grant money comes to the county in the form of a check or vwire transfer, where it is lumped into the general fund account. Itemized accounting? What's that? Of course expenditures are authorized at each commission meeting. Maybe those expenses could be published each week in the paper with the meeting minutes. Naaaa, that make it too easy for citizens to review.
Quote from: Patriot on June 29, 2011, 04:30:43 PM
As I understand it, that county grant money comes to the county in the form of a check or vwire transfer, where it is lumped into the general fund account. Itemized accounting? What's that? Of course expenditures are authorized at each commission meeting. Maybe those expenses could be published each week in the paper with the meeting minutes. Naaaa, that make it too easy for citizens to review.
I was reading that article redcliff posted by ollie, and if he's correct which he usually is, They had better start budgeting and conserving what they get if the US defaults. When that happens and it will, there won't be anymore grants. Hell we'll be lucky if we can afford to buy a loaf of bread. IF you remember the wienmar repubilic, they were wheeling in wheel barrow loads of money to buy bread.
So who would pay to have all that published?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 29, 2011, 04:43:50 PM
So who would pay to have all that published?
Take it out of grant money. It would be a justifiable expense
Why are you complaining about something that is providing work for some teenagers and recreation for some children? Besides the benefits of the two age groups interacting? Maybe it sounds like a lot, but if it is available, why not use it? And if you want to complain about it being tax money, then complain to the people that put these grants together. Someone is making them available. Elk County is just taking advantage of it and using it for the benefit of Elk County youth.
Uh oh...Step carefully, Wilma...That sounds suspiciously like good old-fashioned common sense.
Not much of that going around sometimes, is there?
I have done daycare for 6 years now in Howard, and when I opened up everyone was like there are all kinds of grants out there to help buy different things. Checked into it, and you know what, there wasn't any!!! Oh, well!! Just worked harder and spent one fourth of July selling fireworks and worked an auction to buy the swing set that I have at the daycare now.
As for the day camp, only my middle child could go here in Howard as one is to old and other to young. But she really enjoyed it. She is only 8 and is not old enough to go many other camps, so I think it's a good thing for them to get to go to a day camp.
So, Ross any news yet???
Quote from: Wilma on June 29, 2011, 05:16:29 PM
Why are you complaining about something that is providing work for some teenagers and recreation for some children? Besides the benefits of the two age groups interacting? Maybe it sounds like a lot, but if it is available, why not use it? And if you want to complain about it being tax money, then complain to the people that put these grants together. Someone is making them available. Elk County is just taking advantage of it and using it for the benefit of Elk County youth.
I think you used the key word, "some".
I feel the money could be better used to provide for all children not just some. And it would be there for them all year long for their use.
As I stated earlier Elk Konnected says use money for something more permanent, something that lasts remember?
I heard them tell some ladies that at the swinging bridge cafe one day.
Play grounds in all communities could be improved for all children rather than doing for a few.
And it would be there for them all year long for their use. Oh, I said that earlier didn't I.
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Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's)
But of course that would mean less headlines in the newspaper, wouldn't it?
Or maybe you could offer your assistance and ideas of how to improve Elk County to some organization that is doing something instead of just talking about it.
Quotethen complain to the people that put these grants together.
Wilma: I do believe someone did ask "Who writes the grants" and I do believe you stated that it was 'a very capable person'.
I would think that would be nullified to complain to a very capable person.
all-ready-askin
QuoteElk County is just taking advantage of it and using it for the benefit of Elk County youth.
so, the two go hand n hand? advantage and Konnections?
QuoteOr maybe you could offer your assistance and ideas of how to improve Elk County to some organization that is doing something instead of just talking about it
Ok, now here's really radical concept. Instead of applying for grants, ask one of the groups in Elk County like the churches, the 4-H, the Knights of Columbus (do they still exist?) etc. and ask them to 'bid' $5-$500 for the youth to pull weed out of the sidewalk cracks uptown, or plant flowers, or paint a mural on a business......which would then go to the youth group programs.
oh, but kids won't work unless they are paid minimum wage?
What happened to our youth and ethics?
It benefits the towns...not just one. It benefits the youth for a pride in a job for their town..
Just a thought.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 29, 2011, 07:38:37 PM
Ok, now here's really radical concept. Instead of applying for grants, ask one of the groups in Elk County like the churches, the 4-H, the Knights of Columbus (do they still exist?) etc. and ask them to 'bid' $5-$500 for the youth to pull weed out of the sidewalk cracks uptown, or plant flowers, or paint a mural on a business......which would then go to the youth group programs.
oh, but kids won't work unless they are paid minimum wage?
What happened to our youth and ethics?
Really if their supposed to be volunteering their not supposed to take any pay.
For YEARS, my boys would go to different areas of the country for a week. They would VOLUNTEER to help folks around the city. One year they were in Charlotte i think helping re-roof a elderly persons house. some were helping other folks in areas that had needs cutting lawns, weeding, doing the things they couldn't. AND GUESS WHAT!!! EACH BOY paid 500 dollars for the PRIVILEGE of VOLUNTEERING!
Heres another novel idea. When i first started teaching the boys about doing for others, I would announce boys your volunteering your labor to help someone on Saturday. They had no choice. I packed em up and toted them to a fellas house that had 8 kids in a 2 brm trailer. There the boys learned how to build additions to the house. The lumber and materials were all DONATED and everyone there was VOLUNTEERING (NO PAY) to build the house. Took us 3 days and it was done. Afterwards all the children had enough room to put 2 to a room plus mom and dad had their own bedroom.
The boys asked why they didn't get paid, i told them because you have plenty because God blessed you through me, and they have little, so God blessed them through us.
Steve: (mr no vowelsbut 2 ;D)
That is what I am suggesting, and good for them!
I have to make a 7layer dip for work as snack day is tomorrow.
catch you all opinioned people later...
al-ready-cooking
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 29, 2011, 07:58:37 PM
Steve: (mr no vowelsbut 2 ;D)
That is what I am suggesting, and good for them!
I have to make a 7layer dip for work as snack day is tomorrow.
catch you all opinioned people later...
al-ready-cooking
Mmmm love that 7 layer dip! Expensive!!! to make too
As usual, what I said was misquoted. I said, "Someone is putting these grants together." I did not say that someone was applying for them. These grants are put together by the people who grant them. I imagine that it is a state department and that it was originally done to benefit children that didn't have a chance of going to a day camp. Mainly children from the poorer levels whose parents do not have the money to pay for a chance to do something other than run the streets all day.
The people who put these grants together and make them available to be applied for are the ones that you need to talk to. Is that plain enough to understand?
Quote from: Wilma on June 29, 2011, 05:55:39 PM
Or maybe you could offer your assistance and ideas of how to improve Elk County to some organization that is doing something instead of just talking about it.
If:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
And I wouldn't do it for headlines in the paper but for the community. Do you see the difference?
Quote from: Wilma on June 29, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
As usual, what I said was misquoted. I said, "Someone is putting these grants together." I did not say that someone was applying for them. These grants are put together by the people who grant them. I imagine that it is a state department and that it was originally done to benefit children that didn't have a chance of going to a day camp. Mainly children from the poorer levels whose parents do not have the money to pay for a chance to do something other than run the streets all day.
Hmmm I ran the streets when i was a kid, rode my bike all over town, went to the local boys club back then, ran around with friennds, found dirt trails to ride, went fishing rode up to wally world to get fishing supplies. Whats so bad about running around in the streets.
Quote from: Wilma on June 29, 2011, 08:18:56 PM
As usual, what I said was misquoted. I said, "Someone is putting these grants together."
As usual, you've missed the point. The grant in question was 'put together' by the Kansas Health Foundation (KHF). But the issue is WHO applied for and received those grant monies (Elk County) and who passed the money to a private company (Elk Konnected) who, unless they are a 501(c)(3) are not authorized to receive those monies directly from KHF as the grant in question is a restricted recognition grant.
The 3 questions still remain: 1) Why did the county apply for a grant that appears to be for EK?; 2) Why does EK behave as if THEY sourced the money by trying to take sole credit for the day camp being paid for with that grant; and 3) Why don't they get their own grant if activity ownership is so important to them? And KHF can't answer those questions.
The taxpayers, through a county employee, applied for and received the grant, and the taxpayers, also through county employees, will pay for the recording and accounting of those funds on the county books. The line between the private company called Elk Konnected and Elk County is sure blurred sometimes.
Stay connected, citizens. Elk Konnected, LLC, while their intentions and activities may be good, are NOT Elk County, nor do they have a mandate to represent you. You elect people to do that. Are they?
Ditto srkruzich. Swimming, fishing, froggin'. Visiting friends from neighborhood to neighborhood. And we ddn't dream of getting in trouble because the word of trouble got home before we did.
This Day Camp is more like day care with babysitters. Just my humble opinion.
QuoteAs usual, what I said was misquoted.
Then Wilma, I aplogize for that misinterpretation.
QuoteAs to the grants that have been written, there are people that write up the applications for grants for entities because they have the training and the time to do it and they get paid for it. Is that a crime?
Actually, that was the quote, and I was wrong. :-[
Steve, that dip can be expensive, but I only do it about 3 times a year....
reminds me of people who are trained to write grants, and get them...
<<<<sarcasm button off!
ready
Quote1) Why did the county apply for a grant that appears to be for EK?;
'appears' seems to be the key word.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 29, 2011, 08:39:08 PM
Hmmm I ran the streets when i was a kid, rode my bike all over town, went to the local boys club back then, ran around with friennds, found dirt trails to ride, went fishing rode up to wally world to get fishing supplies. Whats so bad about running around in the streets.
It can become a problem in the larger towns. Kids do get bored sometimes and get into things they shouldn't. I am afraid to let my 17 year old walk home after dark from his friends house who only lives 4 blocks away. And we're only a town of 10,000 or so. It definitely depends on the town and how kids are raised, and if the parents are responsible for their kids. From what I have seen of Howard, I don't see kids "running around" as much of a problem. Just today, I saw some boys riding their bikes in front of the grocery and thought to myself, "How nice!" Of course, my son would rather have the car...... ;D
Lisa
I went to a meeting last night.
No it wasn't called a Community Conversation, it was called a Town Hall Meeting.
When I walked in the door there was a table, but no paper to sign, no name tags, no grade school sticky stars.
But on the table were chocolate chip cookies, vegetables and probably a dip.
I had trouble looking past the chocolate chip cookies. Oh and ice tea or ice water.
That was what I call the lollipops. I happen to be a sugar chocoholic, so I looked right past the vegies.
There were people from all over the County present.
There were no circle of chairs.
No one was told where they could sit or who they could sit with.
Wow, there was no facialitator. No peer pressure.
No, no. No sheriff was present that I saw.
And the sheriff wasn't called when someone asked a question.
Wow!It was concerning oil drilling in our area by Bluescape Resources. An introduction
and presentation was made by the president of the company.
Big Wow, he wasn't hiding out behind a facilitator.
He told the names of all the admitted owners,
double WOW!!They had their hand outs which included a reprint of a Wall Street Journal on fragging.
I don't have any way to verify the reprint so it doesn't affect my decisions,
The other hand out was a lease contract.
After the presentation and after the question & answers got started a person got up and walked out
and then another and so on. No peer pressure to stay longer than you want.
There were some good questions asked. I didn't get to ask my question
because someone else asked before I could. Which is just great as far as I'm concerned.
But then another person walked out and then a couple walked out. Hey, I think that couple was husband and wife and
they were sitting to together,
wow, sitting together.
Oh, my question was as I said, asked by someone else. That question was if my neighbor has a lease with you and I don't
can you stiill drill under my land. The answer was no. After numerous questions and answers I had enough and headed for the exit.
At the exit, same as the entrance there was that table with the goodies and a couple of pretty ladies. I believe the ladies were there to slow the exit and ask about signing a lease, you know sales pressure. Just my thought. One tried to talk with me and I smiled and said I only came for the chocolate chip cookies and eyecandy and laughingly kept moving.
No, I don't plan on signing a lease.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
I didn't get to go to any summer camps as a kid like I let my kids do. We couldn't afford it growing up but I am lucky enough that my kids attend a wonderful church and are members of a wonderful 4-H club that help cover some of the expenses so that they can attend and cut back on some of the cost for us. But in the same boat other children don't have that luxury because many parents are so busy just trying to make ends meat in today's economy. Yes, some parents use it the daycamp as a part time babysitter, but also to give their child the opportunity to experience something that they wouldn't otherwise get to experience. That is the same with the soccer that EK puts on. I do see Patriot and Ross's point about there being a thin line between Elk County and EK, but in the same token there is money that is allocated each year in a Parks and Recreation fund. If Elk County choses to donate some of the funds to EK that is their choice, by their the commissioners. Notice I said commissioners not just one can vote on it, at least 2 of them have to vote on the money going to EK not just one. And my take on the Parks and Recreation fund is that all the communities have benefited from that fund, as Longton and Howard's ball club have all gotten donations in the past from it. The communities have also benefited from this fund, too. By fund I mean portion of the Elk County's budget that is set aside for this. This has been going on for many many years.
As a person that has worked with children for many years, some children are not as fortunate as others in our communities. It's really sad, but anymore both parents have to work and work hard just to survive. And during the summer, believe me, kids get very bored. If they are not in daycare or kept busy kids can and will get into trouble. We are not in the same generation as when I was a kid or anyone on this forum. There are to many things that can happen to children if not cared for, especially in the summer. I am just now getting to where I will allow my 13 year old to even ride her bike up town or even to the pool. You just can't trust that cars will see them walking or biking around town. I for one ran around Severy when I was a kid. We spent many long hours riding bikes or exploring the different places that we could find water to swim. But that was then, this is now and things have changed. I think that the daycamp is a nice thing to do for our youth and all the things that EK does for them. EK has volunteered hours in each community cleaning up, too.
As for youth and summer jobs, now in Elk County jobs for any age are hard to come by. So, to me offering pay to the kids that help at the day camps is a good thing. I think that if they weren't payed they would still help with the camp, too. Many of the youth that were helping in Howard volunteer throughout Elk County alot. I know that the 4-H club that my kids are in we do volunteer work around the community all the time if we are asked we sure try to do. My girls have also helped at other things around the community. But again, many youth are not taught that volunteering is a good and who's to blame for that their parents.
I know I am getting off topic, but I believe that our youth are our next leaders. If we don't give back to them and help them, they sure are not going to be any better off then our current leaders from around the world. And many youth are not raised in 2 parent loving households these days, especially ones from this area. I know several of my friends are single parents or have gotten a divorse. That isn't the childs fault, and they are usually the ones that suffer the most. Yes, there are things in Elk County and EK that we question and rightfully so as tax paying citizens we have that right. We need to look at things this way, too. Our children are the ones that are going to pay for the debt that has been created around the world. Why not raise them to be better caring adults, as I think that is what EK wants to do.
Ross, did anyone ask you what you thought they should do with the money that they expect to make from leasing land in Elk County?
Quote from: Wilma on June 30, 2011, 07:11:49 AM
Ross, did anyone ask you what you thought they should do with the money that they expect to make from leasing land in Elk County?
Nice diversion! Private company not seeking influence over elected officials' decisions. Private land/mineral rights owners. Apples and oranges.
How about this.... Are they being employed by the taxpayers or using government employees to conduct their operations?
Why can't you separate government and private? Has EK convinced you that there is no difference and that an NGO should have the same powers as government?
Quote from: Patriot on June 30, 2011, 07:55:54 AM
an NGO should have the same powers as government?
God Forbid!!!
I was just reminding Ross that the meeting that he was talking about was not for the purpose of spending taxpayer money.
Quote from: Wilma on June 30, 2011, 10:31:58 AM
I was just reminding Ross that the meeting that he was talking about was not for the purpose of spending taxpayer money.
You really don't get it do you?
Sometimes I miss a point too.
Comprehensions is important.
Let me clarify the point for you, please.
Both were meetings with numerous people --- right?
One set up with circles of chairs as a control factor.
One with a facilitator, a control factor.
One with sheriff, another control factor.
People shoved into circles for peer group pressure another control factor.
The other meeting no circle,
No telling you who you could sit with,
No peer pressure,
No facilitator,
No sheriff for control.
I hope that clarifies what I was saying?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 30, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
I do see Patriot and Ross's point about there being a thin line between Elk County and EK, but in the same token there is money that is allocated each year in a Parks and Recreation fund. If Elk County choses to donate some of the funds to EK that is their choice, by their the commissioners. Notice I said commissioners not just one can vote on it, at least 2 of them have to vote on the money going to EK not just one.
I explained in an earlier post IMHO that two of the three County Commissioners were acting more like Elk Konnected booster club than County Commissioners at the County Commissioners meeting. Would that by chance equal two out 0f three votes?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 30, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
I think that the day camp is a nice thing to do for our youth and all the things that EK does for them. EK has volunteered hours in each community cleaning up, too.
I missed something what part EK is doing for the Summer Day Camp? Tell me will ya?
It appeared to me the clean-up thing was mimicing what the communities were already doing IMHO.
If the Sumer Day camp is all that good for you. Would you share what the children are learning while there?
What are they doing besides playing with water guns and hula hoops? What have you seen happening at the day camp? Please share with us.
Are they teaching critical thinking skills?Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 30, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
As for youth and summer jobs, now in Elk County jobs for any age are hard to come by. So, to me offering pay to the kids that help at the day camps is a good thing. I think that if they weren't payed they would still help with the camp, too.
I was told by a reputable source that one person quit because they were told they wouldn't be paid. But you can believe what you want. But now that they are being paid they are getting a durn good wage for being baby sitters. Do you charge that much for day care?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 30, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
Why not raise them to be better caring adults, as I think that is what EK wants to do.
Wait a minute here, is that one Elk Konnected's goals --- to raise children.
To that I say no thank you, I'll raise my own. Since no one accepts responsibility for
Elk Konnected they definitely would not be permitted to assume any responsibility for my child.
My child is learning to be responsible. My child mowed a lady's yard for free because she had no money.
Did he have to do that? No. Did he learn that at day camp? No.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 30, 2011, 06:45:24 AM
I know I am getting off topic, but I believe that our youth are our next leaders. If we don't give back to them and help them, they sure are not going to be any better off then our current leaders from around the world. And many youth are not raised in 2 parent loving households these days, especially ones from this area. I know several of my friends are single parents or have gotten a divorse. That isn't the childs fault, and they are usually the ones that suffer the most.
Give back to them, what does that mean? First you have to give before you can be given back to don't you?
So, are you saying responsible people have to be responsible for children of people that are irresponsible?
Doesn't that just create more irresponsibility.
All that crap about single parents, I guess that's our fault? And we need to fix it. Where is the kids grandparents, aunts and uncles and cousins? Where is the kids church family?
I was raised in poverty and it ain't so bad? We ate depression foods and I still like that food today?
I wore hand me down clothes that were bought at the second hand store for my older brother. When he out grew them I got them. I had to pull the belt loops together to make them fit and I had to roll the pant legs up three times. Whoopie, being poor isn't that bad and a person can learn from it.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Ross on June 30, 2011, 11:50:56 AM
Are they teaching critical thinking skills?
OMG...Give the poor kiddos a break, will you please? They get more than enough experience with being taught critical thinking skills 9 months out of the year...Summer camp is supposed to be FUN, not a DRUDGE.
Angie, I understand what you're saying and I totally agree with you. Elk County is fortunate to have you there, helping the parents with their children.
Ross, there are indeed times when responsible people do to open their hearts and become responsible for the children of irresponsible people. Many people do. You did.
I rather suspect the people who sent their kids to camp were comfortable with whatever plans the counselors had for the kids the day you saw them. Did you stop and ask them what they were doing that day? Did you ask to see a schedule of activities? The parents here are given an activity schedule for each day's events so they know what the kids will be doing and where they will be and when. Perhaps it was free play time. Not all camps schedule every second of the day and I'm sure the parents would already know that. I'm sure you don't mean to, but it seems you are criticizing the parents for not knowing what their kids were doing. I suspect they understand the difference between a supervised day camp experience,"babysitting" and raising children.
I'm also sure everybody who wanted to, given a certain mood and mind set could find something to criticize. It isn't supposed to be the same as summer school after all. I know it's hard, but sometime we all have to look beyond our own experiences to find a ruler with which to judge people. Camp kids work on sharing, communications and helping each other, teaching each other and being fair and understanding the needs of all kids, not just themselves. It's all done in a more social setting. Some critical thinking skills are used, but in a group setting. Do "projects." Many can be cheap or free using scraps. Turn the kids loose with a bunch of wood pieces and glue and build a sculpture that will stand on its own . Paint it, give it a name and describe how it could be used or what it could do. But that's just my old gray haired opinion. "Learning" can happen in many ways, not just behind a desk.
This weeks paper says under Elk County Commission says and I quote,
Pat Snively asked whether Jennifer Brummel worked for Elk Konnected or Elk County and if she does work for the county why does the
publicuty for summer camp say, "Elk Konnected Summer Camp". Commissioner Hendricks said Jennifer was both the Economic and Youth Development Director and gave a brief explanation of how the Youth Development position came to be and said it doesn't really matter who gets credit for anything. but that in the future the name could be changed, if necessary.
End quote
I don't read an answer to Pat Snively's question in there anywhere.
This weeks paper says under Elk County Commission says and I quote,
L. W. Ross questioned as to whether Commissioner Hendricks worked for Elk Konnected or Elk County.
Hendricks said she wore many hats and was very supportive of Elk Konnected. Commissioner Liebau expressed the same feelings.
End quote.
They seem to leave a great deal out of the minutes or tend to change the wording.
I specifically asked why Elk Konnected was taking credit for the Summer camp. Did they inform me
that our County Grant Request was submitted with a title for the summer camp as "Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp".
Now that is just a title on the form as I see it. It could have been titled as "The Down Home Folks Summer Day Camp" or anything else. Don't you think? But why does a County Employee use that particular name? See post right above this post.
But no, I didn't get that answer instead, "I was asked what difference does it make?"
I suppose, I should have responded what difference does it make to have ethics. But I didn't.
I did tell Commissioner Hendricks that as a leader in the military I wore one hat on the base and another hat when I went to town with the guys that worked for me. When I returned to the base I was back to being their boss. It's that simple to keep the hats seperated.
But there you have it folks two county commisioneers that are Elk konnected Booster or followers or whatever. Right there in the county Commissioners meeting. Is the blur getting blurrier?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
I was not trying to state that is what EK is trying to do raise up the kids. They are trying to make it so the kids have different experiences. And I do believe one of there goals is to make it so that the youth want to come back and live in their home towns. As for cheerleaders and the commissioners, that is your opinion on them.
I have stated several times that I see your point, but you still come back at everyone with some off the wall comment that you miss read in their post. I support Elk County, all the towns to the fullest, that I can!! I believe that Elk county is very fortunate to have to fine schools and fine people all the way around!!
What, again may I ask, are you going to do with the information once you get it?? As a tax payer, you are allowed to ask questions about things, I totally agree with you and everyone else. Have you brought it up at the commissioners meetings about what the connection is between Elk County and EK? Just wondering!! Have a bright sun shiny day!! Stay COOL!!! Only 102 out there today!!
Angie, that question has been asked many times but Rosco seems to be doing his best to not answer the question...What on earth COULD he do with the information he seeks? Not much.
I guess he could "shadow " them. But then he wouldn't have time to post here! ;D
LOL ;D
QuoteHendricks said she wore many hats and was very supportive of Elk Konnected. Commissioner Liebau expressed the same feelings.
End quote.
Again, conflict much to voting on projects if indeed Liebau, of which asn't been mentioned as a member/follower...whatever
???
Many hats is a web of a weaving that many people can't do....separate the interests and be still be fair.
Ross thank you for posting about the meeting on Fraking. I did not know if just anyone could attend as a citizen. I do own property here in Elk county, just not a lot of it, and so I am indeed concerned about this fragile ecosystem in an area that has fault lines already. Do you think that we need to start another thread about fraking? :( :(
Quote from: Catwoman on June 30, 2011, 04:00:48 PM
...What on earth COULD he do with the information he seeks? Not much.
Then again, one never knows for sure.
Not that it matters since it's an invented word, but is the word "fraking" or "fracking?" When I saw it used here in articles about the PA problems it was spelled "fracking," from a derivation of fracturing, as in fracturing the rock to get at the gas. What is the consensus out your way? No, I'm not being picky, I'm just curious. Yes, I'm off the subject but that balloon drooped many moons ago but floats back from time to time.
You folks also gotta remember this takes place so far underground its not going to affect any ground water. They aren't fracking the soil, their deep inside of the rock fracking it.
And earthquakes come from where?
Quote from: sixdogsmom on June 30, 2011, 10:29:58 PM
And earthquakes come from where?
SHifts in tectonic plates. LIke we got anything to worry about on earthquakes lol. When was the last one around here?
They frack alll the time in north GA, TN, NC, SC and alabama when drilling for water. 500 -1500 ' well then frack it. Hell i've fracked my own well a time or two when I wasn't getting enough GPM. Drop two sticks of dynamite in, 100' apart blast the bottom one and 2 ms later blast the top one and it fracks the entire 100' opening it up big time. Lots of fractures for the water to pour through.
nowadays some companies do it with high pressure. As for one of the components they use bentonite, IF you own a cat you use it all the time. Thats what you put in their litter box.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 30, 2011, 10:42:46 PM
... LIke we got anything to worry about on earthquakes lol. When was the last one around here?
Tuesday, January 01, 2008 at 08:44:16 (UTC) - Coordinated Universal Time
Tuesday, January 01, 2008 at 02:44:16 AM local time at epicenter
Magnitude 2.7
25 km (15 miles) W of Arkansas City, Kansas
Then there is the Humboldt Fault line extending from Oklahoma City NE to Omaha.
http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/student/johnson1/presentation.html (http://www.emporia.edu/earthsci/student/johnson1/presentation.html)
The fault line I'd be worried about is the New Madrid, extending from around Chicago down through Missouri and onwards...When that thing goes off, we will all feel it.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on June 30, 2011, 08:05:43 PM
Ross thank you for posting about the meeting on Fraking. I did not know if just anyone could attend as a citizen. I do own property here in Elk county, just not a lot of it, and so I am indeed concerned about this fragile ecosystem in an area that has fault lines already. Do you think that we need to start another thread about fraking? :( :(
I'm not interested in starting a thread on fracking. I figure either people care or they don't. It's either they want easy money or they don't. It's sota like either like you want to be a follower of ghost or you don't. My grandmother use to speak of poltergiest and would say the more people that believed in them the stronger they got and vice-versa.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 01, 2011, 12:01:23 AM
The fault line I'd be worried about is the New Madrid, extending from around Chicago down through Missouri and onwards...When that thing goes off, we will all feel it.
Your right on that one. We will feel it. Thats one reason i will not ever live around the Mississippi river again.
Borrowed from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12141.0/topicseen.html
Quote from: W. Gray on June 30, 2011, 09:16:40 PM
Anyone know if the county consolidation plan that was introduced in the legislature in February passed? It was supposed to require the governor to appoint a several member commission by July 30, 2011, to come up with a county consolidation plan by January 1, 2013.
105 counties to 23 was one plan bandied about.
several member commission??? Would that be sorta like a steering committee??? Just curious.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 30, 2011, 10:07:47 PM
Holy cow!! :o And just how were they going to manage THAT? When you can't even get small municipalities to coordinate/cooperate with each other, how are they going to manage to make a decision on which counties to cram together?
Easy, state level legislation, more people with more money, more people with more power, more outstanding citizens of the community, people that are pillars of the community and have impecable something or other. more legislateion. Oh, maybe great big circles of chairs> What do you think????
Why control and regulate and consolidate counties with one centrally located county seat???? Something like saving money is what is said. Right? Personally I think it is about control. More and easier control at the state level. It's probably being worked on by people who are staying hidden and don't want you to know who they are?
Sorta like
getting small municipalities to coordinate/cooperate with each other and :
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
SEE: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
Some day they may start holding meetings with a facilitator and circles of chairs. Then we could share the million dollars from the wind farm with other counties by having a Unified Gov't with Montgomery, Chautauqua and two or three other counties and maybe we could beknown as section five of Montogomery County. Wouldn't that be great. But people have told me that would never happen.
But you know with the economy the way it is and all the state budget cuts and the idea it would be cheaper to operate the state with fewer counties, who knows?
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to
save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
SEE: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
Elk Konnected fits the socialists' agenda.
I call them anti-American because that's what they are.
For you citizens who are disconnected from the better advertized outlets and independently connected to clear, reasoned thinking, imagine this:
A private company, whose legal owners are unnamed private citizens, finds that it has the ability to attract private investors and has access to significant grant and taxpayer monies. That company pays professional outside consultants to help them develop an agenda, organize their business plan and train their operatives.
The same company organizes a Steering Committee whose job it is to keep the agenda of the company on track and moving forward. Those members are interviewed and screened to ensure that they are highly committed to the company and its' agenda. Those committee members are so devoted to the company, they voluntarily give their time and money to advance the purposes of the company.
...Terry spoke to that group of 16 people a month later. They were interested, but not ready to commit...
...Finally after the 3rd meeting with Terry in March 2007, a steering committee was formed...
...Terry interviewed each steering committee members, who also filled out a "20 Clues Survey" (Community survey). Then each Steering Committee member proceeded to interview four people, each one representing a different sector of the public square. Meanwhile, Terry was interviewing people the Steering Committee had identified or other interviewees had named...
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php[/i]]http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php (http://[i)
They work hard to sell their vision and agenda to members of the community at large. They engage community youth to participate in their programs. The company pays older youth to help engage younger youth or to work on other company projects.
The company's Steering Committee is quite effective. The company and their hired consultants even employ well documented psychological group manipulation tactics developed for the US Department of Defense to 'create' community consensus.
Members of the private company and the company's Steering Committee and devoted supporters also have other jobs and some wear the following hats:
1. County Commissioner(s)
2. County Economic Development Director
3. County Youth Development Coordinator
4. Law Enforcement Officer(s)
5. School Board member(s)
6. Town Council member(s)
7. Local media
8. Bankers
9. Community activity group leaders
10. Select Business owners
11. Teachers
12. Church leaders
Citizens, ask yourself.....
What could the private company accomplish with these connections?
How well could the private company agenda be established in the larger community?
What becomes of ordinary citizens who resist the private company's established agenda?
Do ordinary citizens really have an opportunity to influence the private company's agenda?
Does all the above change the dynamics of representative government in the community?
Is that change toward or away from constitutional principles?
And what is the company's openly advertised agenda?
Establish and enforce property maintenance standards
Establish a coordinated youth development program
Create a coordinated clean up of physical image
Create the infrastructure for community wellness
Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php[/i]]http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php (http://[i)
Could there be more than what is published?
Much of this scenario is in place and operating in the real place we call Elk County, Kansas.
You're connected, citizens.... you decide.
Could there be more than what is published?
Much of this scenario is in place and operating in the real place we call Elk County, Kansas.
You're connected, citizens.... you decide.
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Yeah there is. With those connections, what is there to stop them from establishing business's that disallow competition. After all with the listed connections, they would have a inside scoop as to who was applying for what, and who was planning on competing.
Imagine permitting being denied OR being regulated so much that it is cost prohibitive to start up said enterprise, while those that fall under the private LLC will reap benefits of fast tracking through the political system.
Remember the Curly-Q hamburger place in Moline.
The man was doing pretty good, but I understand he was run off.
But any way the Curly-Q is still closed. Competition not welcome I guess.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
If you "understand" something, why not share with us why you "understand"? The Curly Q failed because Moline people preferred the Swinging Bridge cafe. Curly Q filled in a gap after the Corner Cafe closed and was quite successful while some Moline women were operating it. At that time it was a good place to eat.
I don't know but I suspect the reason it closed was because it couldn't pass state health regulations. And now it would cost a fortune to bring the building up to code. Not a good location, either. The last time I was in there it needed a lot of cleaning and work.
Quote from: Wilma on July 01, 2011, 09:59:31 AM
If you "understand" something, why not share with us why you "understand"? The Curly Q failed because Moline people preferred the Swinging Bridge cafe. Curly Q filled in a gap after the Corner Cafe closed and was quite successful while some Moline women were operating it. At that time it was a good place to eat.
I don't know but I suspect the reason it closed was because it couldn't pass state health regulations. And now it would cost a fortune to bring the building up to code. Not a good location, either. The last time I was in there it needed a lot of cleaning and work.
You are entitled to your opinion. But I heard many other opinions that were contrary to yours. Many people liked it as a diversion.
If it could not pass state health regulations how did the family from Sedan ever get it open in the first place?
The man had put a lot of work into the building. I only ate ther a few times but I found the place clean and the service just fine and the food was good as well.
Diversions only go so far...The vast majority of people vote with their feet and their wallets. The Swinging Bridge's ability to attract and hold customers speaks for itself.
Don't know why it closed, but my experience as someone just traveling through was that there wasn't enough seating. I stopped a couple of times but there was no place to sit, so left and went through town and ended up at the Swinging Bridge.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 01, 2011, 11:28:14 AM
Diversions only go so far...The vast majority of people vote with their feet and their wallets. The Swinging Bridge's ability to attract and hold customers speaks for itself.
The fact that it is the only restraunt in Moline wouldn't play a major part would it.
I sure miss Stubb, I enjoyed going in just to visist with him.
Quote from: Ross on July 01, 2011, 10:09:42 AM
But I heard many other opinions that were contrary to yours.
For someone who seems to be intelligent, why would you make such a statement to bolster your position? You surely know about hearsay and it's reputation in court.
Monopolies in Elk County? Toot's is and has been a standard here. Tell someone you're from Howard, they say, "Oh I've eaten at that hamburger place". Poplar has done very well, and the new Sweet and Spicy is also doing well. Partly because of the added people in town, I'm sure, but also because of the quality and prices.
As Cat said ," people vote with their feet and wallets". Most businesses fail because of poor management, not lack of business.
What I know about Elk Konnected is that one of it's priorities is to help anyone wanting to start a business with planning and running a business. Many people have good ideas, they just don't know how to go about getting started.
Why do you think that is a bad thing?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 01, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
...one of it's priorities is to help anyone wanting to start a business with planning and running a business. Many people have good ideas, they just don't know how to go about getting started.
Why do you think that is a bad thing?
Correct me if I missed something. But I don't believe anyone said that particular priority was a bad thing. How widely publicized is this particular 'priority'? I don't remember seeing that in the number of articles written in the local paper about the group's activities. Is there a local office with a business start-up counselor, CPA or lawyer available? Do they provide assistance in obtaining business loans or grants?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 01, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
For someone who seems to be intelligent, why would you make such a statement to bolster your position? You surely know about hearsay and it's reputation in court.
Monopolies in Elk County? Toot's is and has been a standard here. Tell someone you're from Howard, they say, "Oh I've eaten at that hamburger place". Poplar has done very well, and the new Sweet and Spicy is also doing well. Partly because of the added people in town, I'm sure, but also because of the quality and prices.
As Cat said ," people vote with their feet and wallets". Most businesses fail because of poor management, not lack of business.
What I know about Elk Konnected is that one of it's priorities is to help anyone wanting to start a business with planning and running a business. Many people ha me. ve good ideas, they just don't know how to go about getting started.
Why do you think that is a bad thing?
Jefe,
I didn't know Elk Konnected was in the business making business. News to me. Who are those people?
Do they make small business loans as well? How does that work?
I didn't say anything about Monopolies in Elk County but you did.
I simply remarked that Moline only has one restraunt. Pray tell how that equates to Monopolies in Elk County????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Patriot on July 01, 2011, 12:54:44 PM
Is there a local office with a business start-up counselor, CPA or lawyer available? Do they provide assistance in obtaining business loans or grants?
Talk to Jennifer Brummel. I believe she can help you obtain a counselor for starting a business as well as any financial assistance available to start a business. More help than you would get from the SBA.
Since I failed to quote you on your monopoly statement before you modified it , I guess I was wrong . Why do you have such a problem contacting the people in Elk Konnected? I don't.
Ross. You need to get out more. Talk to people in person. ::)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 01, 2011, 04:07:10 PM
Ross. You need to get out more. Talk to people in person. ::)
I talk to people in person but I'd prefer that the people that are admtted members or owners of
Elk Konnected, not the followers came out into the open and have a real conversation with the general public of Elk County.
What is their problem with that? Do you know who they are?
We know they are watching this forum, so wy don't they communicate?
Or is it they only want the glory of being in the newspaper?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 01, 2011, 03:55:40 PM
Talk to Jennifer Brummel. I believe she can help you obtain a counselor for starting a business as well as any financial assistance available to start a business. More help than you would get from the SBA.
Since I failed to quote you on your monopoly statement before you modified it , I guess I was wrong . Why do you have such a problem contacting the people in Elk Konnected? I don't.
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I'm sorry, you are very wrong. I never used the word monopoly, never gave it a thought. Perhaps you read someone else's post.
I thought Jennifer Brummel worked for Elk County. Counseling can be obtained from the State Government, so I would assume she would simply give out that information. So how would that be Elk Konnected helping business get started. I really didn't think you knew what you were saying about Elk Konnected helping get business started.
I am not interested in speaking with the followers but the owners or admitted members. And that is not to say the followers are not goood people but to say they really don't know what is happening behind closed doors. Just like your statement that Elk Konnected is about trying to help people start business. That my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who really runs the show?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Ross---I would contact the Kansas Small Business Development Center if I had questions on how to start a business or keeping it afloat. I'm sure they are better qualified than EK too!! Here's some of their services...Jen
Free, confi dential, one-on-one consulting provides our clients with
practical solutions to business problems. Our clients utilize numerous
resources and seek guidance in areas like:
• Business plan assistance
• Financial projection development
• Cash fl ow analysis
• Marketing plan & marketing research development
• Capital & fi nancing resources
• Inventory control procedures
• Product cost analysis and pricing
• Advertising & sales strategies
• Selling to the government/procurement
• Startup assistance
• Buying or selling a business/transition planning
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 01, 2011, 07:21:28 PM
Ross---I would contact the Kansas Small Business Development Center if I had questions on how to start a business or keeping it afloat. I'm sure they are better qualified than EK too!! Here's some of their services...Jen
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That is exactly what I was referring to. And if Ms. Brummel is doing the job of Economic Development Employee for Elk County, I just don't see how she can be doing it for Elk Kponnected. That would surely be a conflict of interest.
That's why I said Jefe de vaca didn't know what he was talking about.
I wonder what else our Elk County Economic Development Employee is doing for Elk County to improve things in the county?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Take me to your leader?
I keep reading more and more bout college and how it is such a big waste of money for most kids, especially these days.
So I wonder how a scholarship helps a kid when it appears to put them off on the wrong foot starting out in debt. A debt they probably will have a very difficult time repaying.
Here is just one person talking about College:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/john-stossel-college-a-scam-for-many-and-%e2%80%98often-not-worth-the-investment%e2%80%99/
Google college tuitions and see what you can find
I would say this subject on Elk Connect has beat to death. When it comes to a point you just keep asking the same questions over and over again it is time to give it a rest. As far as college it is only good if you use it for what you went to school for. I have people in my family that have degrees that would make them well to do. But they work in blue collar jobs still paying for the education they received. So it is all in what you want to do.
And you are guaranteed the right to do that.
Quote from: Jane on July 02, 2011, 07:32:08 AM
I would say this subject on Elk Connect has beat to death. When it comes to a point you just keep asking the same questions over and over again it is time to give it a rest. As far as college it is only good if you use it for what you went to school for. I have people in my family that have degrees that would make them well to do. But they work in blue collar jobs still paying for the education they received. So it is all in what you want to do.
I've found that its all in what you prepare for. IF you go to college for lets say a History or sociology degree, Your going to find very limited employment. Chances are you'll never work in the field you trained for. But if you go for lets say Database Administration in IT field, your going to find yourself employed with no trouble at all and making a very good living. The best fields today to prepare for and I Suspect for the next 10 -20 years will be IT industry, in database administration as well as system and network administration, and your going to find the Nursing field lucrative as well as Med techs. That is if obamacare doesn't kill it.
Manufacturing jobs were gone 25 years ago. That was inevitable. STarted with the textile mills. We moved from a industrial society to a information and service society. Now we are in that age, and will continue to be in that era until something new comes along. IF things collapse, your going to find your income genertators will be cottage industries. Firearms is one such industry that will be lucrative. Repair, maint, even manufacturing them and parts for them will be a nice business.
Another will be welding, metal fabrication. Another will be wood shops. Shoot i can forsee the day when whiskey cigarettes, and sugar will be currency.
Quote from: Jane on July 02, 2011, 07:32:08 AM
I would say this subject on Elk Connect has beat to death. When it comes to a point you just keep asking the same questions over and over again it is time to give it a rest.
Well that's just great that you feel it's been beat to death. But hang around for the nest 180 pages.
And read the same questiions again and again or as long as Teresa permits it. Okay.
When do the owners or registered members come out of the wood work with some answers?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader/Puppet Master?
Not who are the followers/volunters though it seems there are few of them.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 02, 2011, 07:50:03 AM
I've found that its all in what you prepare for. IF you go to college for lets say a History or sociology degree, Your going to find very limited employment. Chances are you'll never work in the field you trained for. But if you go for lets say Database Administration in IT field, your going to find yourself employed with no trouble at all and making a very good living. The best fields today to prepare for and I Suspect for the next 10 -20 years will be IT industry, in database administration as well as system and network administration, and your going to find the Nursing field lucrative as well as Med techs. That is if obamacare doesn't kill it.
Manufacturing jobs were gone 25 years ago. That was inevitable. STarted with the textile mills. We moved from a industrial society to a information and service society. Now we are in that age, and will continue to be in that era until something new comes along. IF things collapse, your going to find your income genertators will be cottage industries. Firearms is one such industry that will be lucrative. Repair, maint, even manufacturing them and parts for them will be a nice business.
Another will be welding, metal fabrication. Another will be wood shops. Shoot i can forsee the day when whiskey cigarettes, and sugar will be currency.
You got that right. Very well put.
Keep giving out those scholarships and helping kids get into debt that will take them a lifetime to repay.
Then they can come back to Elk County making minimum wage.
How many young people with with college degrees are tossing hamburgers for McDonalds?
Or working for Walmart as a manager or assistant manageer? Wow, that will pay off that big debt slowly, won't it?
Have you heard College tuitions are increasing again do to cuts in state budgets.
I'll trade you a pound of sugar and a quarter pound of salt for that busshel of corn.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Wow Ross, now your against scholarships ???
How do scholarships help put kids in debt? I thought they helped keep kids out of debt.
::) Consider the source ...
The source of the scholarship or the source of the post complaining about them?
LOL In this case both, because im sure the only reason he's ranting about it is because of the EK scholarship..
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 02, 2011, 10:53:12 AM
How do scholarships help put kids in debt? I thought they helped keep kids out of debt.
The scholarships don't pay the whole bill at 20 to 50 K a year figure it out.
Oh, unless the scholarships are used for only the rich kids.
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 11:17:37 AM
::) Consider the source ...
I see your college education is working full blast.
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 11:39:08 AM
LOL In this case both, because im sure the only reason he's ranting about it is because of the EK scholarship..
What scholarship does Elk Konnected have? That another new one?
That's like Elk Konnected helping people start business that came out yesterday.
Do they suddenly have a magic wand? Just wondering? Can I see the magic wand?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Ross, so now you are against rich kids, too. What do you want us to do. Take it from the rich and give to the poor?
Quote from: Wilma on July 02, 2011, 12:52:27 PM
Ross, so now you are against rich kids, too. What do you want us to do. Take it from the rich and give to the poor?
Did I say anything that was deragatory about rich kids?
Did I say anything about taking anything from anybody?
Wow, talk about twisting words. Now that's atrocious!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Some scholarships are based on financial need and may be full or partial. Some are academic scholarships and are based on academic achievement and again, may be full or partial. Some are "prizes" that are achievement awards. The one I won wasn't huge, just $100.00 but in 1962, that paid for the textbooks for my entire freshman year.
BUT, I do agree that not everyone HAS to go to college. It really depends on what one wants to do. College can also help kids figure out what they want to do in life if they aren't yet sure. I still think more than high school is good for most, whether it's some business courses, certificate courses, art school, mechanically courses or whatever. There are some things high school classes do just skim over and in depth study comes later, aside from the AP courses.
I also think apprenticeship programs are great and a very good fit for some. Kids who go into the family business may or may not need more school, it depends on what the family business is. Do I know college kids who end up at Mickey D's? Sure, but usually not for long. Some are just marking time until they start their masters degree or are going into a restaurant management program. One of my good friends, who retired from Mc D's last winter, was the Mc Donald's community program director...made an excellent salary. She coordinated Ronald's visits, made arrangements for the things they sponsored, like our Safety Town camp, made arrangements for free cheeseburger coupons for the fire fighters' kids at Christmas and so on. There is more than just flipping burgers....which I don't eat. I love the egg Mc Muffins and salads, that's it.
Quote from: Ross on July 02, 2011, 12:50:28 PM
What scholarship does Elk Konnected have? That another new one?
That's like Elk Konnected helping people start business that came out yesterday.
Do they suddenly have a magic wand? Just wondering? Can I see the magic wand?
Scholarship, I thought scholarships were for kids to go to college. So what poor kid misses out on a scholarship?
My e-mail from Kansas Department of Commerce.
I copied and pasted from my e-mail program the following.
Is that the $3000 form the 60+ that donated?
Where is the transparency, what are they hiding.
Ross,
I found out that our agency provided a one-time $3,000 "scholarship" to Elk Konnected in September of 2008.
You type so much rubbish B.S. you cant even remember it all..
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
Quote from: Ross on July 02, 2011, 12:50:28 PM
What scholarship does Elk Konnected have? That another new one?
That's like Elk Konnected helping people start business that came out yesterday.
Do they suddenly have a magic wand? Just wondering? Can I see the magic wand?
Scholarship, I thought scholarships were for kids to go to college. So what poor kid misses out on a scholarship?
My e-mail from Kansas Department of Commerce.
I copied and pasted from my e-mail program the following.
Is that the $3000 form the 60+ that donated?
Where is the transparency, what are they hiding.
Ross,
I found out that our agency provided a one-time $3,000 "scholarship" to Elk Konnected in September of 2008.
You type so much rubbish B.S. you cant even remember it all..size]
You took that out of context I believe. That was a school grant from the Kansas Dept. of Commerce.
And if I remember right that money was paid directly to Public Squares Communities, LLC according to one County Commissioner at the County Commissioners meeting. If I recall right she said Elk konnected never saw a bit of that money.
So who is typing the rubbish B.S., now.
Your Agency, so what agency are you with?
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 01:23:31 PM
Ross,
I found out that our agency provided a one-time $3,000 "scholarship" to Elk Konnected in September of 2008.
You type so much rubbish B.S. you cant even remember it all..
2guns,
So we can assume from that statement that you are claiming a direct association with the Kansas Department of Commerce?
Patriot I think 3guns is shooting with blanks and plenty of B. S.
just trying to confuse matters a diversion. He has nothing of substance to
add to this forum. Let's be kind to him.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
I'm not with any agency, it was copied from an earlier post from Rossco.
Quote from: Ross on July 02, 2011, 04:10:46 PM
Patriot I think 3guns is shooting with blanks and plenty of B. S.
just trying to confuse matters a diversion. He has nothing of substance to
add to this forum. Let's be kind to him.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Any common person could confuse your matter without shooting blanks...bless your heart
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 06:18:15 PM
Any common person could confuse your matter without shooting blanks...bless your heart
Doesn't common = average?? Average is mediocrity. Just getting by. No effort whatsoever to advance to the degree of uncommon. So i would say, common person not being able to understand is a true statement. THey haven't exercised their brain enough to move into uncommon territory.
QuoteDoesn't common = average??
uh steve in the context of this forum...maybe...maybe not.
We call ourselves 'common' folk. And yet, we have a tendency to act and actually think.
Please don't confuse common with average. I can give you several examples that common is above average...not only in intelligence, but in ethics.
however....If Elk Konnected is trying to jump onto the tailcoats of the locals, then they are sailing away!
And, exactly who are the founders of this great Konnected Kommunity?
ready
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 06:13:46 PM
I'm not with any agency, it was copied from an earlier post from Rossco.
You mean you screwed up a simple quote that bad?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: Ross on July 02, 2011, 07:12:12 PM
You mean you screwed up a simple quote that bad?
Didn't know i needed to copy all 19 paragraphs for you to recognize your own post. I was just trying to answer your question...
What scholarship does Elk Konnected have? That another new one?
That's like Elk Konnected helping people start business that came out yesterday.
Do they suddenly have a magic wand? Just wondering? Can I see the magic wand?
Quote from: 2guns on July 02, 2011, 07:22:22 PM
Didn't know i needed to copy all 19 paragraphs for you to recognize your own post. I was just trying to answer your question...
What scholarship does Elk Konnected have? That another new one?
That's like Elk Konnected helping people start business that came out yesterday.
Do they suddenly have a magic wand? Just wondering? Can I see the magic wand?
Congratulations, you got that one right.
One out of eight posts. good job.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
However, there are paranoid people ...... and the narcissists who want to glorify themselves or carry a vendeta against those who hold positions they want for themselves. They typically come at you with a lot of flash, like streaming banners in their posts , to call attention to themselves. They also like to use repetition to cloud the real issue.
If you want to hold a public position, LW , you will have to learn how to be part of the group. A member of the team. You can throw talent at a job all day, team wins out. Ask a few CEO's. You will have to get more than 9 votes to get into office Ross.
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time? If they are giving their time for the community , is that considerered a job , or devotion to their county? If they are doing anything for the county, it's more than you ever will. If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide. But you know all of this, you just don't include any of it because you don't like the answers to the questions you asked and you are guilty of at least two of the deadly sins, Envy and Greed.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Ross, it looks like another liberal has sounded off.
You could get a job building barns Ross, I heard you built one a few years ago that lasted a few weeks before the wind blew it down..
Where is Roy and Bullet when you need them? Liberal? Where does that fit?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
LW Ross, get your vaseline out.
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
However, there are paranoid people ...... and the narcissists who want to glorify themselves or carry a vendeta against those who hold positions they want for themselves. They typically come at you with a lot of flash, like streaming banners in their posts , to call attention to themselves. They also like to use repetition to cloud the real issue.
If you want to hold a public position, LW , you will have to learn how to be part of the group. A member of the team. You can throw talent at a job all day, team wins out. Ask a few CEO's. You will have to get more than 9 votes to get into office Ross.
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time? If they are giving their time for the community , is that considerered a job , or devotion to their county? If they are doing anything for the county, it's more than you ever will. If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide. But you know all of this, you just don't include any of it because you don't like the answers to the questions you asked and you are guilty of at least two of the deadly sins, Envy and Greed.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a hateful person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Boy talk about getting spun up. wow?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
LW Ross, get your vaseline out.
I don't need no vaseline you nasty boy, because I ain't that way.
By the way who are you? Are you a registered member, as to know so much about Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish
Now that's a different story from what was told in earlier posts. We were told his name was just put on the paper because a name was required, and also that Liz Hendricks claimed to be the founding member, so what is the truth.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce,
What Chamber of Commerce?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
A member of the team.
What team? Who is the team leader? Why do the team leaders hide. Why do you hide?
And Who are you?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
to help "people wanting to start a business"
Who exactly is helping these people?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about)
Really? How can stupid people come up with ideas to start a business, or would that be a stupid business?
Why do you call these people sttupid?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time?
I don't recall ever doing that? But hey are you saying taxpayers have no rights in this county? Are you saying taxpaying citizens should never question government? What the heck are you trying to say. Are you saying Elk Konnected should run the county? I don't comprehend what you are saying, please clarify??????'
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
However, there are paranoid people ...... and the narcissists who want to glorify themselves or carry a vendeta against those who hold positions they want for themselves.
I don't need no stinking position and dont want one. Except that of a concerned taxpaying citizen of Elk County.
What great position do you hold? No, I don't want it.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide. But you know all of this, you just don't include any of it because you don't like the answers to the questions you asked and you are guilty of at least two of the deadly sins, Envy and Greed.
There have been no meetings of the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC. There have been Elk Konnected Community Conversations controlled with circle of chairs and a facilitator, nothing more.
What envy, I am erribly happy with my station in life. And greed, have you seen me ask for handouts form the Couty commissioners or Chambers of Commerce or anyone else for that matter?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a hateful person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Well, sorry to see you go, but it is a free country for all, taxpayers included. I hope you remember that while celebrating the 4th of July.
Duck, here comes the banner you like so well as a farewell.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 02, 2011, 09:04:27 PM
Ross, it looks like another liberal has sounded off.
ROFLMAO
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 09:15:54 PM
Where is Roy and Bullet when you need them? Liberal? Where does that fit? UYA.
You are just plumb nasty, aren't you???
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 09:15:54 PM
UYA.
I bet you are a great leader or is that follower?
For those that want to know why I make such a remark check out the definition @
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uya
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH...
Despite all the vile personal attacks in your 'lecture', it's nice to have at least one response that attempts to portray a clear answer to one of so many questions after so many weeks. The unfortunate reality is, however, that Mr. Fish's formal affiliation with Elk Konnected, LLC was both known and a non-issue. Unless you are Mr. Fish (which I doubt, as he has way too much class than to speak the way you did) I hope he approved the telling of that tale.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
You are a hateful person...
Given the tone of your snide editorial (and that of others), hatefulness seems to be a commodity clearly not limited to those who ask questions, but possessed by the bushel by others who would feign answering them. And of your denigrative addressing of persons who have never spoken on this forum and possibly can't even respond here, I'm thinking immature doesn't begin to describe your form.
Can we assume that you are a properly admitted member of the LLC in question?
And another new question... over which 'cows' are you the 'boss'?
All it sounds like to me is that Pat and Rosco have yet again goaded someone into writing things they normally wouldn't dream of writing. The real nastiness contained in that is the fact that anyone would deliberately go to those lengths to get someone's goat (sorry, Steve...I am sure your goats are safe...lol). Cow Boss, you are obviously a well-read, intelligent, thinking individual. You have the respect of many people, including me.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 02, 2011, 10:31:13 PM
All it sounds like to me is that Pat and Rosco have yet again goaded someone into writing things they normally wouldn't dream of writing...
I thought St. Paul taught that self control was one of the fruits of the Spirit.
But in the new American mindset, everyone who errs bears no personal responsibility. It's always the fault of someone else.
Sorry Catwoman, the 'she was asking for it' defense to rape doesn't fly. Your lack of self control, or that of Jefe de vaca, is owned personally by the one who reacts inappropriately rather than responding rationally.
OMG...Now you're a priest/preacher, in addition to being the Forum Madonna? lol Yeah, OK...Physician, heal thyself.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 02, 2011, 10:55:20 PM
OMG...
Let me guess... you were goaded into that bit of uncivil dialogue, right?
My oh my.
Is that the Elk Konnected way?
I take it if a person is not an Elk Konnected follower
ya talk nasty to them and it's their fault you are being nasty.
Wow, I'm just flabbergasted.
Oh and if you are not a follower you don't have no rights, is that it?
Help me out here followers, what is the true story????
Is that your policy? I'm trying to understand. What does your leader or leaders tell you???
I'm politely asking in earnest.
Or perhaps Mr. Cow will come back with some answers to my response to his post.
Patriot you sure are a funny looking Madonna. LOL
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Ross on July 03, 2011, 12:37:25 AM
Or perhaps Mr. Cow will come back with some answers to my response to his post.
Jefe de vaca,I apologize for that remark and I could just remove it but.
The but is the ladies saying you were goaded, now that was a goading remark I made.
I made that remark just to show what goading looks like to me.
Please accept my apology.Quote from: Ross on July 03, 2011, 12:37:25 AM
Patriot you sure are a funny looking Madonna. LOL
I made this remark jokingly harrassing Patriot.
No offense meant Patriot. Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Quote from: Patriot on July 02, 2011, 10:46:39 PM
I thought St. Paul taught that self control was one of the fruits of the Spirit.
But in the new American mindset, everyone who errs bears no personal responsibility. It's always the fault of someone else.
Sorry Catwoman, the 'she was asking for it' defense to rape doesn't fly. Your lack of self control, or that of Jefe de vaca, is owned personally by the one who reacts inappropriately rather than responding rationally.
You are correct, I have retracted some of my statement.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 03, 2011, 09:02:42 AM
You are correct, I have retracted some of my statement.
Good job Jefe de vaca.
However I would appreciate some answers in my response to your post.
The questions are in post Reply #1830. Thank you.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 03, 2011, 09:02:42 AM
You are correct, I have retracted some of my statement.
Mr. (or Ms.) Jefe de vaca,
Thanks. But in comparing your unedited original post quoted in reply #1830 with your edited original post #1826, I'm struck by the fact that you removed the word 'hateful', but not the tenor of hatefulness. That's quite telling in my opinion. Of course, you are fully entitled to present your views as they come from within you. I, and dozens of silent readers, are fully entitled to interpret your choice of adjectives, directives and derogatory labels as they appear, allowing them to fully reflect your intent.
Demonizing and assigning negative labels to Ross, me or other private citizens who are not here to defend themselves doesn't eliminate the rights of those citizens to publicly redress their government and question its' private associations. The form of that redress, be it here, in street protests or in formal meetings is irrelevant. Government needs to demonstrate that the public trust it exists to serve without bias is the priority. Officially defending its' open support, funding and commitment of public resources to the agendas of a privately owned enterprise (no matter the good intentions) is indefensible. Especially when that government is running near a 50% debt to income ratio, has demonstrated budget shortfalls halfway into the fiscal year, exhibits a history of overpayment for services and materials.
The arguments on one side of this debate are factual. On the other, emotional. Your outburst was clearly the latter. But please, do press onward.
Many questions of fact remain. One is: Who are the persons whose personal assets are protected from liability in Elk Konnected, LLC? The persons driving this private company which has so much support from the peoples government. The elected official that I spoke to doesn't know.
LOL ;) Patriot, you're nothing if not an entertaining read. ;D
Patriot, what "history of overpayment" would that be? According to whom and how was that decided?
I know nothing about the Elk County budget and who decides how, when and where the money is spent (bids?) but I would assume that is all public record. ...and that's derogatory, but deragatory does make an interesting word....
Quote from: Catwoman on July 03, 2011, 10:55:21 AM
LOL ;) Patriot, you're nothing if not an entertaining read. ;D
Thank you. Enjoy Independence Day!
It has been said that he who laughs last, laughs best. Please notice that I'm not yet laughing. Nor is there a weight challenged woman singing center stage... yet :)
Quotehe who laughs last
....usually doesn't get the punchline. ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2011, 11:00:48 AM
...and that's derogatory, but deragatory does make an interesting word....
Thank you. Duly noted and corrected.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2011, 11:00:48 AM
Patriot, what "history of overpayment" would that be? According to whom and how was that decided?
I have been told, employees understand that they are precluded (by edict from one commissioner based on an unwritten policy) from purchasing goods (like bulk fuel) from non-local sources unless the savings exceeds 10%. In this day and age, even 2% savings can be important.
The recent revelation that the courthouse elevator lacked critical safety features and was being maintained under a long term service agreement that was easily outbid by a different company providing increased services for the same, or less, money.
The use (until recently) of outdated Plexar phone services under a long term contract, when even ATT down plays that service, and when competing technologies/services were available at increased savings.
The entry of the county courthouse into the historical registry under an agreement that necessitated specialized and expensive roofing materials just to preserve historical continuity.
The ongoing effort to enhance a boiler heating system with a new boiler and perform weatherization utilizing a matching grant that will require the county to borrow tens of thousands of dollars to meet matching requirements. All when some outside experts have estimated the current system is sufficient & heat distribution problems could be solved by proper insulation of currently uninsulated steam pipes (how did we miss that one?), operation of the system at recommended pressures (some 2 to 10 times higher than currently operated) and the installation of relatively inexpensive valves & thermostats. The use of said money to caulk windows that have leaked like sieves for some time (where has on staff maintenance been/can't we afford caulk & a caulk gun?). Things that should have been done way before now.
There's a start. Can you say, "Short term thinkers, and likely pattern of mismanagement."?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2011, 11:00:48 AM
I know nothing about the Elk County budget and who decides how, when and where the money is spent (bids?) but I would assume that is all public record...
I'm concerned not many folks know much more than you do. Transparency in government? Accurate records should include clear RFPs, bid awards and well recorded discussion in commission meeting minutes, yes? Haven't read our commission meeting minutes lately, have you? Nor do you oft see open bid requests in the legal publication of record.
No wonder we enjoy one of the highest (if not the highest) property tax rates in Kansas. We've got a lot of bills, loans and interest to pay. But, I could be wrong.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 03, 2011, 11:30:32 AM
....usually doesn't get the punchline. ;D
Or the joke wasn't funny or was in real bad taste.
QuoteNor do you oft see open bid requests in the legal publication of record.
What is your county's paper of record? I think it has to be a designated county publication and acknowleged? I may be off on that part.
If it is a paper that no one really reads, perhaps it is missed? just a thought.
I totally agree on your aforementioned points, Patriot.
QuoteOr the joke wasn't funny or was in real bad taste.
and there you have county citizens scratching their heads and saying " ah yes, that was funny???????!" Now, how am I going to scraped up $1000 for my taxes next year????"
No joke inded until the joke is on them.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 03, 2011, 12:34:09 PM
What is your county's paper of record? I think it has to be a designated county publication and acknowleged? I may be off on that part.
If it is a paper that no one really reads, perhaps it is missed? just a thought.
I totally agree on your aforementioned points, Patriot.
Yhe Prairie Star amd I read it. I may discontinue it.
The Editor/Owner is affiliated with Elk Konnected and in my humble opinion very biased in his reporting.
I hope each and evryone of you out there have a safe and sane and Happy 4th of July.
And to you also, Ross. Have a good one!! :)
To anyone of whom has served in the armed forces....I and my father salute you/
Thank you all for your service and the sacrifices you have made.
Please light a candle for all that went before us in the name of conflict"
ready
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 03, 2011, 11:00:48 AM
Patriot, what "history of overpayment" would that be? According to whom and how was that decided?
I know nothing about the Elk County budget and who decides how, when and where the money is spent (bids?) but I would assume that is all public record. ...and that's derogatory, but deragatory does make an interesting word....
They tend to bypass the bidding process. Like in the failed proposal to build a new school. The bidding process was never allowed they hired some manager to handle all the calculatios and no legal sealed bid was ever submitted from what i understand
QuoteThey tend to bypass the bidding process.
wouldnt that bypass the EEO law?
Quote from: Ross on July 01, 2011, 09:20:34 AM
Remember the Curly-Q hamburger place in Moline.
The man was doing pretty good, but I understand he was run off.
But any way the Curly-Q is still closed. Competition not welcome I guess.
Just wanted to let you know that the owner of the Curly-Q was not run off. He is a friend of mine and he told me he had to make a decision of whether to keep being self-employed or getting a job where he could get health insurance for his kids. He chose family. He was making money, but did not have reliable help. He thinks it is too funny that people are still talking about him.
Anyway, wanted to get that cleared up, but needed to talk with him first before I wrote anything. There you have it.
Sheriff Janet, he also expanded the seating area and did a lot of improvement to the building from the previous owner.
I enjoyed eating there, especially the curly fries.
I never got to eat there when Toby owned it. I was working out of town. I got to work with Toby at Coffeyville and I can tell you from experience, Toby is a very hard worker and a caring father who is raising his two daughters. Go, Toby. I am glad you are my friend.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 03, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
wouldnt that bypass the EEO law?
You would think it would.
But we were told that they didn't violate any laws.
Good morning, I sure hope everyone had an incident free Independence Day Celebration.
I just could not believe what I was reading. It sounds like you are saying there is justification in wrong doing in the small level of local government because it is not as bad of wrong doing on the national level.
That sort of thinking just blows me away. And what do you think has driven our whole country to the brink that it is at today? Who, who, who are you Jefe?
I hauled this over from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11754.30.html
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 04, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
Coming from the south , I'm sure you've seen plenty of crooked politicians.
I personally don't believe where you hail from, or where you have been, or where you are going justifies crooked politicians. Or that it means they can't be everywhere. Or that errors by a politician makes them a crooked politician.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 04, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
I don't trust most of them ( politicians ) either, but I trust what I see, and know to be fact.
In other words if you are a member of an organization that ask for money (a hand out) from and you are an elected official that is going to vote on awarding that money to your organization, you can't see that as a conflict of interest?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 04, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
He's a tough old bird who's worked hard for what he has, as have the rest of our people here. There are people with megabucks in our midst, however , that didn't. They don't hold public office or care to, but have influence that reaches much higher than county government.
Are you saying it matters whether or not a person holds office or has mega bucks or has influence that reaches much higher than county government justifies any form of wrong doing paraphrased as "good ole boy " stuff?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 04, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
Any "good ole boy" back scratching that happens here pales in comparison to what is going on , and has been forever, in our nations Capitol. I wholeheartedly agree with you there. We need congressional reform on a large scale. I see the internet as one of the only ways we can do it. When your voting choices are bad, or worse, change is hard to effect by voting.
Whether it pales in comparison to what is going on in our capitol is irrelevant, is it still not wrong?
If you can't correct it at home how do you expect to correct it 1284 miles away from home?
Don't you think you should insure your government at home is working as it is designed to work, work on those possible problems and then maybe work on the state level problems before trying to challenge the National level of Government problems? Any problems need to be addressed from the bottom up wouldn't you think?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Help, :o our local goverment is broken, ( and the sky is falling) :o :o :o . Sorry ,I can't play today, have to work. ::)
Quote from: Jefede vaca on July 05, 2011, 08:21:26 AM
Help, :o our local goverment is broken, ( and the sky is falling) :o :o :o . Sorry ,I can't play today, have to work. ::)
Well Mr. Perkins if my response to your statments brings about that type of response, I guess it would be safe to assume that is what your statement meant.
Quote from: Ross on July 05, 2011, 11:16:22 AM
Well Mr. Perkins if my response to your statments brings about that type of response, I guess it would be safe to assume that is what your statement meant.
LOL are you just now picking up on that? :D
That line fits under the "occifer, I'm not as think as you drunk I am". All Bossman said was that he was too busy working to waste time exchanging insults with you...Smart man. All he did was paraphrase what has been being yammered about for over 180 pages now. Gee...Where would he have found the fodder for that paraphrase...Hmmmmmm...????????????????
Quote from: Catwoman on July 05, 2011, 12:09:11 PM
That line fits under the "occifer, I'm not as think as you drunk I am". All Bossman said was that he was too busy working to waste time exchanging insults with you...Smart man. All he did was paraphrase what has been being yammered about for over 180 pages now. Gee...Where would he have found the fodder for that paraphrase...Hmmmmmm...????????????????
Why thanks Catwoman,
Nobody has been yammering at him. He comes here of his own free will, just as you do, right?
You too have the same options everyone else, parrticipate or don't participate here, it's all free will.
Is he your
BOSSMAN????
I believe you are very wrong about him paraphrasing, I personally think he was very serious in the statement I was refering to?
But I guess he is capable of speaking for himself, right?
You know I won't deny not knowing all these people so perhaps you can provide some information. How many of the people on here are Perkins and which ones???? Just curious. Are they all known as bossman??? You guy's really confuse me.
Please read « Reply #1861 on: Today at 07:09:32 am » try reading it. It has to do with ethics and principles.
Here read his statement again for yourself, he said he can't play today he has to work.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 05, 2011, 08:21:26 AM
Help, :o our local goverment is broken, ( and the sky is falling) :o :o :o . Sorry ,I can't play today, have to work. ::)
I bet he gets off work sometime and can speak for himself. What do you think?
You my dear are doing all the yammering I have just been accomadating, actually all along all I have been asking is:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
" Marshal Ross, marshal Ross, that dang ole EK gang is robbin the county".
"Well Chester, do you know which way they went" ?
" Yessir, they left a trail a blind man could folla, thar out there on Mule in that ringleader Fish's hideout"
"Get the posse together, we're gonna ride out there and bring em in"
" Ain't never arrested no innocent people before marshal"
" Don't you worry, will come up with some kinda charge "
I could do this all day, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, but I have to work.
Who, who, who are you Jefe
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 05, 2011, 07:57:36 PM
" Marshal Ross, marshal Ross, that dang ole EK gang is robbin the county".
"Well Chester, do you know which way they went" ?
" Yessir, they left a trail a blind man could folla, thar out there on Mule in that ringleader Fish's hideout"
"Get the posse together, we're gonna ride out there and bring em in"
" Ain't never arrested no innocent people before marshal"
" Don't you worry, will come up with some kinda charge "
I could do this all day, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, but I have to work.
Who, who, who are you Jefe
Now that was at least entertaining and a better diversion than anything you have done in the past. I'll give you a C+ on that.
But can you give a real response to the following questions for na A+:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 05, 2011, 07:57:36 PM
" Marshal Ross, marshal Ross, that dang ole EK gang is robbin the county".
"Well Chester, do you know which way they went" ?
" Yessir, they left a trail a blind man could folla, thar out there on Mule in that ringleader Fish's hideout"
"Get the posse together, we're gonna ride out there and bring em in"
" Ain't never arrested no innocent people before marshal"
" Don't you worry, will come up with some kinda charge "
I could do this all day, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D, but I have to work.
Who, who, who are you Jefe
You are Jefe de Vaca, Cow Boss! El Jefe de Ferdinand el toro negro! OLE'! ;D
Lisa
I do have a question:
Elk Koneccted said at the outset that they include Severy in the area that they 'serve' since Severy is in school district 282. My question is this, 'How can they justify asking for and receive funds from Elk County taxpayers and spend them for another county? Greenwood county in this instance. ??? ???
Good question.
Why would elected county officials vote to give away gov't money to an organziation? Or a ball team?
Quote from: sixdogsmom on July 06, 2011, 12:31:48 AM
I do have a question:
Elk Koneccted said at the outset that they include Severy in the area that they 'serve' since Severy is in school district 282. My question is this, 'How can they justify asking for and receive funds from Elk County taxpayers and spend them for another county? Greenwood county in this instance. ??? ???
Very Good Question, Very Good Point.
That is totally wrong in my opinion.
I would assume using the Elk County Grant for another county
would be a good way to acquire more followers
you simply hand out more lollipops.
Then you set up more circles of chairs
and send in the facilitators and continue the process
because it works so well in Elk County.
Oh wait a minute they have already did the circle of chairs
in Severy didn't they?
Perhaps they want to include Severy in the
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
And who knows if that works perhaps it can expand to Sedan.
What do you think?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Re: Windfarm funfacts... a little more sunshine
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Quote from: Catwoman on Today at 10:10:03 am
Awww, Diane, you can't blame them...It's just Perkins envy...
Catwoman give with some real answers about that statement, clarify please.
Perkins Envy???
Do you have it?
What is that? Is that wide spread?
Please tell me what there is to envy?
Can I have a top ten list of thing to envy the Perkins for?
I know nothing of the Perkins, so that list may help me understand what you are talking about.
Please enlighten me and eeveryone else about Perkins envy.
I have never in my life envied anyone, what is constructive about that?
And I only praise and bow to God?
Darn it Ross why did you have to remind me of the "unified county gov"garbage. Niow I will be clinching my teeth all day.
Nothing rankels me more than "New world order" or "unified county gov. " same stuff, same purpose, in a smaller bucket. Closing of the school in Moline is just the camels nose under the tent. No benifit other than to Howard . Same with the thought of closing all the county maintenance yards by consolidating all of them in........guess where .
If county government consolidation becomes a real possibility then I will make it my full time occupation to see that it doesn't come about, with a few "round table meetings" moderated by our own citizens .
Now, Rosco, don't get all bent out of whack. I didn't know that little play on words would be hitting so close to home...Poor boy. :o ::) Lighten up, dearie!! ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 01:25:12 PM
Now, Rosco, don't get all bent out of whack. I didn't know that little play on words would be hitting so close to home...Poor boy. :o ::) Lighten up, dearie!! ;D
No, no that don't bother me.
You can have anyone you want as a boss.
It's a free world.
I find it humorous.
But please inform me more about that envy you were talking of earlier?
10 eaxamples should be sufficient. Thanks.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 06, 2011, 05:20:43 AM
Good question.
Why would elected county officials vote to give away gov't money to an organziation? Or a ball team?
Why would an Elk County Employee name our grant request Elk Konnected Summer Grant?
Wasn't that considered an Elk County Government official request?
I just don't understand what's happening at the Elk County Court House where our elected officials are suppose to be in charge.
Any body got any answers?
Quote from: Ross on July 06, 2011, 01:56:37 PM
Why would an Elk County Employee name our grant request Elk Konnected Summer Grant?
Wasn't that considered an Elk County Government official request?
I just don't understand what's happening at the Elk County Court House where our elected officials are suppose to be in charge.
Any body got any answers?
Why don't you ask the person in question yourself, directly:
Economic Development Director
& Youth Coordinator
Jennifer Brummel
PO Box 183
127 North Pine
Howard, KS 67349
Cell: 620-205-8514
Uh oh...Careful, Flint...You're forgetting that Rosco doesn't REALLY want to talk to anyone directly...That might actually give him the answers he seeks and then end his 'banner days'...lol ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 02:06:41 PM
Uh oh...Careful, Flint...You're forgetting that Rosco doesn't REALLY want to talk to anyone directly...That might actually give him the answers he seeks and then end his 'banner days'...lol ;D
Don't worry Cat, Rosco never does anything unless Jeffe el Cerdo tells him to. I guess in this case that would be Patriot. :P 8)
Oh my! :o ;D ;D
Quote from: flintauqua on July 06, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Don't worry Cat, Rosco never does anything unless Jeffe el Cerdo tells him to. I guess in this case that would be Patriot. :P 8)
So...The REAL puppet master here would be Patsy...Which brings us to the logical questions...
Who is steering Patsy?
Who is steering the person steering Patsy?
Who is the person steering the person steering the person steering Patsy?
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek?
You are sooooo funny! ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 06, 2011, 02:24:52 PM
Oh my! :o ;D ;D
I agree with you Diane!
Oh my! :o ;D ;D
Jefe can't come up with answers so he throows around that B. S. he is boss over.
Wouldn't you think a man with the K-State logo could give an intillegent answer to a simple question or two?
Like these simple questions:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Unless they lack true leadership!
;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
So...The REAL puppet master here would be Patsy...Which brings us to the logical questions...
Who is steering Patsy?
Is there someone on here named Patsy?[/color]
Who is steering the person steering Patsy?
Who is the person steering the person steering the person steering Patsy?
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek? center]
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Who is steering Patsy?
Who is steering the person steering Patsy?
Who is the person steering the person steering the person steering Patsy?
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek?
Now that is very cleaver, did you think that up all by your self, or did you get help from your boss?
No wait a minute you mimicked me, I am totally awed by the fact that you appreciate my creativity. Thank You for the compliment.
What fun!
You can't really be that ignorant can you? We know they are right here watching, but not brave enough to speak for themselves.
But we are not interested in speaking with their out of County facilatator from Wichita County. They are more than likely telling you what to do on this forum, right?You are one of their few followers aren't you?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek? center]
Ask them to come out and talk after all Elk Konnected is on the internet. Perhaps you can ask them to clear up the following questions, and to come out of hiding? Or do they listen to their followers or do the followers even know who they are?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Meh. <yawn>
Quote from: Ross on July 06, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
No wait a minute you mimicked me, I am totally awed by the fact that you appreciate my creativity. Thank You for the compliment.
You flatter yourself! To mimic can also mean to mock. Try again.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:37:13 PM
Meh. <yawn>
I said thank you and thats all you got?
Not even a your'e welcome?
I'll try again, okay?
Quote from: Ross on July 06, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
Now that is very cleaver, did you think that up all by your self, or did you get help from your boss?
No wait a minute you mimicked me, I am totally awed by the fact that you appreciate my creativity. Thank You for the compliment.
What fun!
Quote from: flintauqua on July 06, 2011, 04:45:54 PM
You flatter yourself! To mimic can also mean to mock. Try again.
Ouch! Was that meant to hurt my feelings? Sorry bullying doesn't work here.
But let me ask is that part of an Elk Konnected method of operation or what?
If it is keep it up, I'll support you, okay?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
;D Oh, Rosco...Yes, you're welcome for an afternoon of fun...It was my pleasure. ;D
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Charles Caleb Colton
Quote from: Ross on July 06, 2011, 04:51:54 PM
Sorry bullying doesn't work here.
Guess you and Patriot (and a few others) found that out when you couldn't bully those who don't ascribe to your way of thinking off this Forum.
Cleaver? Really? I know there are sharp words being thrown about, but surely that was meant to be clever, not cleaver. I may have to break out my EMT kit yet! No bleeding allowed!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 06, 2011, 05:22:28 PM
No bleeding allowed!
I think we're following the first rule of playground ball - No Blood, No Foul. ;D
LOL ;) And I think what he meant was "yourself", not "your self"...And then there was "your'e" instead of "you're"...And then there was that strange abberation on "intelligent"...And to think that I thought the end of the school year would mean no more spelling errors to deal with... ;D :P
I just couldn't bring myself to break out my red pencil. My typing is so bad I have to be careful or they'll get me,and rightfully so. But some are too funny to pass up.Yes, I know I'm goofy, nobody has to tell me.
You're just fine, Miss Diane...Just smile! ;D
Thanks to all the folks who are helping keep this thread alive. Your efforts are appreciated, even if your input consists of malicious libel or pointless distractions & diversions. Since public dialogue is one objectives here, much of your dialogue speaks volumes about you as individuals. And the public surely appreciates the insights.
By the way, here's yet more questions. Have any of you been properly admitted as a members of Elk Konnected, LLC? Would that be as one who has a distributive share, or just a laborer? You realize, that your personal assets are only protected by the LLC umbrella when you are acting on behalf of the LLC as an admitted member, employee or as otherwise specified in a proper operating agreement. Are you protected?
I'm sure everyone is practicing safe...Uh...Business, Patsy... ;D
Does that include the secret hand shake and pass word? Would having a condo help? I did have, but sold it.
LOL ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 06, 2011, 05:53:44 PM
Does that include the secret hand shake and pass word? Would having a condo help? I did have, but sold it.
The handshake is optional, but the password is very important. As for former condos, I've been told that most plaintiff's aren't picky about condos vs cash.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 05:51:52 PM
I'm sure everyone is practicing safe...Uh...Business, Patsy... ;D
I think nicknames are cute but Catwoman, I'm not sure if you want your name changed to something else do you? I've thought of several...
Go for it, Hillbilly... ;D...Just make sure they're user friendly and can be read by the families that frequent this board... ;D...LOL
But that takes all the fun out of it.......
:o :o LOLOLOL ;D ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 06:06:13 PM
...and can be read by the families that frequent this board.
Now she find a conscience. ::)
;D
Quote from: Patriot on July 06, 2011, 05:47:39 PM
Since public dialogue is one objectives here, much of your dialogue speaks volumes about you as individuals. And the public surely appreciates the insights.
:D Yes, I do appreciate their insights. I find them delightful, funny and very much on target.
By the same token, your dialogue also speaks volumes about you. I also appreciate that insight.
A queen bee from Hymettus flew up to Olympus with some fresh honey from the hive as a present to Jupiter, who was so pleased with the gift that he promised to give her anything she liked to ask for. She said she would be very grateful if he would give stings to the bees, to kill people who robbed them of their honey. Jupiter was greatly displeased with this request, for he loved mankind. But he had given his word, so he said that stings they should have. The stings he gave them, however, were of such kind that whenever a bee stings a man the sting is left in the wound, and the bee dies. Aesop
Evil wishes, like fowls, come home to roost.
Are any of you followers out there bright enough to answer the questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from Cow Boss:
A queen bee from Hymettus flew up to Olympus with some fresh honey from the hive as a present to Jupiter, who was so pleased with the gift that he promised to give her anything she liked to ask for. She said she would be very grateful if he would give stings to the bees, to kill people who robbed them of their honey. Jupiter was greatly displeased with this request, for he loved mankind. But he had given his word, so he said that stings they should have. The stings he gave them, however, were of such kind that whenever a bee stings a man the sting is left in the wound, and the bee dies. Aesop
Evil wishes, like fowls, come home to roost.
Run Patriot RUN !!!! I aint sure but I think you just got threatened in a roundabout way. Whatever you do---DO NOT USE YOUR STINGER. :)
Now Mr. Ross, are you sure you want to word your question in that way? Brightness has nothing to do with these bulbs... err... people. They just aren't going to answer because they don't have to or chose not to or don't know.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 06, 2011, 07:39:59 PM
Now Mr. Ross, are you sure you want to word your question in that way? Brightness has nothing to do with these bulbs... err... people. They just aren't going to answer because they don't have to or chose not to or don't know.
Why do any of you bother to respond?
What is your purpose for responding if you don't know the answers?
I was asking for bright people with answers.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
It has been a very HOT summer and it shows in the posting. I notice during the coldest part of winter there was another discussion making reading very interesting. Almost like watching a soap on tv or reading one of the papers waiting to check out of a store.......Makes a person very timid about posting............LOL now, watch the fur fly. LOL
ROAR! ;D ;D ;D
:o ::) !!!!
Aesop......
From facts to fables. Keep up the good work. Riddle me this, whats strong and sings and can't get out?
Or this.... why can't Elk Konnected, LLC qualify for their own private foundation grants without help from the taxpayers?
Will they be using the government to get grants from ECCEF, too? That would be a trifecta.
Quotewhats strong and sings and can't get out?
other than a bird in a guilded cage, it could be a piano string.
Do I get the prize of being a member of the Elk Konnected member?????
Oh, wait...we don't know who they are in order to sign up.
<<<<croaks over
What is strong and sings and can't get out?
The larynx...Or an inmate ratting on one of his "buddies"...Or a hubby trying to get out of having to help with the housework...
Any other "riddle me this's"?
Tweety gorilla? :D
LOL ;D
this must be the part in the 168 pages that the serious take a break and let the 'off topic' people do their thing.
ok, then I will go to bed and...
as far as I am concerned catwoman: catty remarks are what you do. I am okay with that and I got your double meaning for the perkins envy...not withstanding the visual connotation that it brought!
ready and out, and according to some...down.
I get it. This is a schoolyard playground of adults.
sad..
and in case you all had a retort for me:
I am NOT going away mad...I am just going away...for a bit.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
No, Ready, catty remarks are not what I do, normally. Unfortunately, the situation on the Forum isn't the normal one I had encountered when I was last on here about two to three years ago, previous to the advent of the rightwing extremists. Read your messages... ;).
I'm back. I think some of you have come up with the answer which in itself is a question. WHO is writing Ross's & Patriot's material for them and who is telling them what to do?
WHY won't they tell us?
WHAT do they have to hide?
or, WHAT do they have to gain?
or, WHAT does someone else, specifically whoever is telling them what to do, has to gain?
Whoops...Be careful, Willma...You're stepping on my toes now...Only of us is allowed to be catty...
Prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...<stretching the claws with a grimace of pure feline satisfaction ;D>
Are those two previous remarks the brilliance of Elk Konnected followers?
Or just the stupid people Jefe refered to then removed the post.
Guess what the post still exist as a quote.
You see it just doesn't pay to be nasty and ugly does it?
And you notice he didn't bother to give intellegent answers to one single question, did he?
New Question, Who were the stupid people he was talking about in Elk County that came to Elk Konnected asking for their help?
See the original quote and my response and questions at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg167054/topicseen.html#msg167054
I copied and pasted it here but still visit the original quote, please.
This appears to be Elk Konnected followers way of assulting people that simply want to know about their organization they support even though they don't know who the registered members or leaders are?
Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
« Reply #1830 on: July 02, 2011, 10:41:29 pm »
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Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 09:54:03 pm
LW Ross, get your vaseline out.
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
However, there are paranoid people ...... and the narcissists who want to glorify themselves or carry a vendeta against those who hold positions they want for themselves. They typically come at you with a lot of flash, like streaming banners in their posts , to call attention to themselves. They also like to use repetition to cloud the real issue.
If you want to hold a public position, LW , you will have to learn how to be part of the group. A member of the team. You can throw talent at a job all day, team wins out. Ask a few CEO's. You will have to get more than 9 votes to get into office Ross.
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time? If they are giving their time for the community , is that considerered a job , or devotion to their county? If they are doing anything for the county, it's more than you ever will. If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide. But you know all of this, you just don't include any of it because you don't like the answers to the questions you asked and you are guilty of at least two of the deadly sins, Envy and Greed.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a hateful person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Boy talk about getting spun up. wow?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 09:54:03 pm
LW Ross, get your vaseline out.
I don't need no vaseline you nasty boy, because I ain't that way. By the way who are you? Are you a registered member, as to know so much about Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish
Now that's a different story from what was told in earlier posts. We were told his name was just put on the paper because a name was required, and also that Liz Hendricks claimed to be the founding member, so what is the truth.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce,
What Chamber of Commerce?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
A member of the team.
What team? Who is the team leader? Why do the team leaders hide. Why do you hide?
And Who are you?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
to help "people wanting to start a business"
Who exactly is helping these people?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about)
Really? How can stupid people come up with ideas to start a business, or would that be a stupid business?
Why do you call these people sttupid?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time?
I don't recall ever doing that? But hey are you saying taxpayers have no rights in this county? Are you saying taxpaying citizens should never question government? What the heck are you trying to say. Are you saying Elk Konnected should run the county? I don't comprehend what you are saying, please clarify???'
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
However, there are paranoid people ...... and the narcissists who want to glorify themselves or carry a vendeta against those who hold positions they want for themselves.
I don't need no stinking position and dont want one. Except that of a concerned taxpaying citizen of Elk County.
What great position do you hold? No, I don't want it.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide. But you know all of this, you just don't include any of it because you don't like the answers to the questions you asked and you are guilty of at least two of the deadly sins, Envy and Greed.
There have been no meetings of the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC. There have been Elk Konnected Community Conversations controlled with circle of chairs and a facilitator, nothing more.
What envy, I am erribly happy with my station in life. And greed, have you seen me ask for handouts form the Couty commissioners or Chambers of Commerce or anyone else for that matter?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg167043#msg1 67043 date=1309661643
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a hateful person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Well, sorry to see you go, but it is a free country for all, taxpayers included. I hope you remember that while celebrating the 4th of July.
Duck, here comes the banner you like so well as a farewell.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Puppet Master?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Come out, come out where ever you are.
Good job Ross! We have those messages saved as well. That way there's no mistaking who says what when it's erased and we want to quote something they said earlier. I just don't understand why they go to the trouble of typing it all out if they're gonna turn around and erase it. :police:
Quote from: flintauqua on July 06, 2011, 02:20:37 PM
Don't worry Cat, Rosco never does anything unless Jeffe el Cerdo tells him to. I guess in this case that would be Patriot. :P 8)
You couldn't even get the insult right.
el jefe. 'el jefe'. This masculine noun means 'leader, boss, manager'.
cerdo, -a
masculine or feminine noun
1. pig, (f) sow (animal)
come como un cerdo, -a (informal) -> he eats like a pig; (sin modales) he pigs himself (mucho)
estar como un cerdo, -a (informal) -> to be a fat pig
2. pig, swine (informal) (persona)
masculine noun
3. pork (carne)
So why don't you cease with the insuflts and bullying.?
Just answer the questions if you can!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: flintauqua on July 06, 2011, 02:00:46 PM
Why don't you ask the person in question yourself, directly:
Economic Development Director
& Youth Coordinator
Jennifer Brummel
PO Box 183
127 North Pine
Howard, KS 67349
Cell: 620-205-8514
I believe the proper authority to ask is the Elk County commissioners. Don't you?
Damn flint are ya 6 years old or something?
Ross-Patriot, I'm not getting any answers to my questions, either.
Quote from: Wilma on July 07, 2011, 01:29:36 PM
I'm back. I think some of you have come up with the answer which in itself is a question. WHO is writing Ross's & Patriot's material for them and who is telling them what to do?
WHY won't they tell us?
WHAT do they have to hide?
or, WHAT do they have to gain?
or, WHAT does someone else, specifically whoever is telling them what to do, has to gain?
Well, since you didn't specify who this particular comment was intended for, I will answer. I'm pretty sure they write their own material. They aren't hiding anything and have nothing to gain by hiding anything and the imaginary person that is telling them what to write doesn't have anything to gain either. All I can see is that they are concerned taxpaying citizens of Elk County who want answers to their VALID questions, namely and most importantly:
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected?MRS. KSH
Quote from: Ross on July 07, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
I believe the proper authority to ask is the Elk County commissioners. Don't you?
Then why don't you ask them? Or will you somehow mis-hear their answer so you can make some new fabricated, if not outright fraudulent, claim against one or more commissioners, Ms. Brummell, and/or Donna Kaminska?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 06, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
So...The REAL puppet master here would be Patsy...Which brings us to the logical questions...
Who is steering Patsy?
Who is steering the person steering Patsy?
Who is the person steering the person steering the person steering Patsy?
What are their goals (admitted or otherwise) and why won't they seek the people who could actually give them the answers they seek?
Quote from: Ross on July 06, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
Now that is very cleaver, did you think that up all by your self, or did you get help from your boss?
No wait a minute you mimicked me, I am totally awed by the fact that you appreciate my creativity. Thank You for the compliment.
What fun!
Quote from: flintauqua on July 06, 2011, 04:45:54 PM
You flatter yourself! To mimic can also mean to mock. Try again.
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I thought negative thinking and attitudes were disallowed by Elk Konnected??
So you apparently have it wrong again.
Or are you just trying to bully again?Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 10:15:54 pm
Where is Roy and Bullet when you need them? Liberal? Where does that fit? UYA.
You are just plumb nasty, aren't you???Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 10:15:54 pm
UYA. I bet you are a great leader or is that follower?
For those that want to know why I make such a remark check out the definition @
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uyaee
He changed his wording
(sort of hit and run) but you can see the quote at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.1830.html
More Bullying right?Is this the Elk Konnected way????
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 08:39:53 PM
Then why don't you ask them? Or will you somehow mis-hear their answer so you can make some new fabricated, if not outright fraudulent, claim against one or more commissioners, Ms. Brummell, and/or Donna Kaminska?
Such bad attitude!
Such bad attitude!
And more http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11754.msg167659.html#msg167659
Quote from: Ross on July 07, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
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I thought negative thinking and attitudes were disallowed by Elk Konnected??
So you apparently have it wrong again. Or are you just trying to bully again?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 10:15:54 pm
Where is Roy and Bullet when you need them? Liberal? Where does that fit? UYA.
You are just plumb nasty, aren't you???
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 10:15:54 pm
UYA. I bet you are a great leader or is that follower?
For those that want to know why I make such a remark check out the definition @
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=uyaee
He changed his wording (sort of hit and run) but you can see the quote at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.1830.html
More Bullying right?
Is this the Elk Konnected way????
Such bad attitude!
Such bad attitude!
Ross, I don't care how BIG or how
small you type, you're still just a
Narcissistic Gadfly
Quote from: Ross on July 07, 2011, 09:23:52 PM
I thought negative thinking and attitudes were disallowed by Elk Konnected?...
...Such bad attitude!
Ross,
Coulter was correct. Liberalism is a mental disorder, and when conservatives stand up to their progressive, big government, Democrats can do whatever they want, nonsense, they slip off the deep end and blow steam from every orifice in their bodies. It's not a bad attitude so much as an inability to self regulate. Kind of a massive case of Attention Deficit Disorder triggered by exposure to reality. Lacking cognitive reasoning skills, they tend to react (or overreact) rather than respond. The result is often childlike tantrums and angry outbursts of unreasoned drivel, often laced with pejoratives & totally unrelated to the topic at hand...
Topics like... who owns the private LLC that seeks & receives taxpayer money and who has government employees doing their bidding for them (working at their day camps & soliciting grant monies for their use) on the taxpayer's dime?
flintauqua Still bullying. People ask your self if this is the proper thing for a person to be doing if they are an Elk Konnected volunteer?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Ross, I don't care how BIG or how small you type, you're still just a Narcisiistic Gadfly
gosh, golly that's
narcissistic....if you're going to try to insult someone, at least spell it correctly!
oops, I forgot the " ::)"
Quote from: Ross on July 07, 2011, 09:45:52 PM
flintauqua Still bullying. People ask your self if this is the proper thing for a person to be doing if they are an Elk Konnected volunteer?
Ross, I love how you just make stuff up out of whole cloth. When have I ever said that I am an Elk Konnected volunteer?
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 07, 2011, 09:51:54 PM
gosh, golly that's narcissistic....if you're going to try to insult someone, at least spell it correctly!
I fixed it, does that make you feel better.
Typo, not spelling error.
Too many i's and s's next to each other in too small of font. Jeez. :P
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:53:08 PM
Ross, I love how you just make stuff up out of whole cloth. When have I ever said that I am an Elk Konnected volunteer?
Let me see. I think I know the answer to this question. Yes, yes, I do. Just a minute. Let me make sure I get it right.
Ummmmm. The answer is NEVER!
Do I win anything? Does that make me smarter than a 5th grader? No? I didn't think so.
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:56:52 PM
I fixed it, does that make you feel better.
Typo, not spelling error.
Too many i's and s's next to each other in too small of font. Jeez. :P
You surely know the saying:
Well if it walks like a duck
Quakes like a duck
It must be a duck.
If not a volunteer you mst just be a follower, but I don't believe there is any difference now is there?
Or are you saying you are :
He who steers the steering committee?
you are an admitted members who owns, and runs,
Elk Konnected.
you your Leader?
If not what is your beef here?Or do you just like running around bullying people?
Why don't you grow up and stop the bullying and use the education you may have recieved at K-State or did you just borrow the Logo.
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Ross, I don't care how BIG or how small you type, you're still just a Narcissistic Gadfly
Apparently you do, it shows by your re-action in your post.
And I see you are now mimicking me with the banner, good job. I appreciate the compliment.
I also appreciate the artistic colorful touch, great job. But I guess that means you are looking for more attention then I am or you are envious and try to out do me. Which is it?
You even mimic me in misspelling, only I don't always call it a typographical error, but you corrected the mispelling, again good job.
And yes, mimicking someone is a strong form of flattery, so thank you very much.
I know, I too should use spell check more often especially if I were to want to insult or bully someone.
Didn't your momma ever teach you it isn't nice to bully people and to respect your ellders?
I have worked all my life, I served my country, I also vote and pay taxes and I don't especially appreciate papered bullies.
All of which gives me the privlidge to ask questions of an organization that says they want to communicate with the citizens of Elk County. An organization that wants to pull the county altogether. An organization that abuses the Elk County resources and is praised at the Elk County Commissioners meetings because a County Commissioner cannot keep her hats straight. She wears so many hats she says.
Do you have a degree in psychology? No? Do you even have a degree? In what? How to bully?
A definition from the
World English Dictionary
narcissism or narcism (ˈnɑːsɪˌsɪzəm, ˈnɑːˌsɪzəm)
— n
1. an exceptional interest in or admiration for oneself, esp one's physical appearance
2. sexual satisfaction derived from contemplation of one's own physical or mental endowments
I feel perhaps that might be better applied to the person using it in a bullying way, Don't you think?
I'm a crippled up old man so that doesn't apply to me, also I'm not papered, fair enough?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
You know while reading the newspaper I've noticed something interesting.
I believe the paper say's:
The Elk Konnected/Elk County Summer Day Camp
and The Howard Elk County Fair
I find it difficult to see a line between the Elk County government and the City of Howard.
and a line between the Elk Konnected organization and Elk County Government What's with that??
And what about that
Howard West Elk Junior-Senior high where Elk Konnected attended school?
Read it here http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1349522561
Well if the orgnization attended school at the
Howard West Elk Junior-Senior School shouldn't it be called
Howard Elk Konnected????
And really aren't most all of the folowers from
Howard???
Don't you think that would go well with the
Howard Elk County Fair.
But wait a minute the District Director and Agent 4-H and Ag & Natural Resources called it
The Elk County 4-H Fair,
right there on the front page of the newspaper.
IMHO I think he is very right in his title of the fair so other titles must be wrong, right??
And the school is
West Elk not
Howard West Elk, it is not in side the Howard City Limits even though Howard has wanted to move their city limits. The
West Elk school campus is in the County and that is why it is not the
Howard West Elk School right???
Pretty simple, huh?
Who keeps making such silly errors and please don't say it's a typographical error.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Slow down and take a breath, Rosco... ::)...You're going to hurt yourself at this rate... ;D
The fair in Longton is called the Longton Elk County Fair. You can't just say Elk County fair because both Howard and Longton hold fairs in the summer. During the year that the 4-H fair is in the town they call it the 4-H fair, like this year it is Howard Elk County 4-H fair, and Longton is called Longton Elk County Free Fair. I think that is how they do it. Might be wrong, but I enjoy both of the fairs!!
In other words, Angie...Just good ol' common sense at work...Gee. Pretty simple stuff, Rosco...There ya go!
Has anyone else noticed that Ross and Patriot have run out of anything new to say? Just the same old thing over and over and over and over and over and my fingers are tired now.
Quote from: Wilma on July 08, 2011, 08:27:40 AM
Has anyone else noticed that Ross and Patriot have run out of anything new to say? Just the same old thing over and over and over and over and over and my fingers are tired now.
yeah....over a month ago :P
It's been that way with them for quite awhile now... ::)...I rather liked Jefe's reference to Chicken Little...Fits that group perfectly! lol And have you noticed...The belligerent tone has now become whiny, accusing everyone of being bullies because they can't plead their case in a sufficient enough manner to make it believable? OMG... ::)...
gonna have to find a different dead horse I'm thinkin.
At 10:45 last night Ross posted calling me a bully. At 5:17 this morning he was posting again, calling me a bully. That's only 6 1/2 hours between posts. I wonder how much of that was sleep.
Ross, I think you might need to get a little more sleep at night, you're getting very cranky. :D
Oh, here's something Ross might find interesting. Twenty-five years ago (give or take a few days) I and at least one current EK supporter were hauling square bales of hay off the land that now comprises Ross' little ranch-ette.
I've heard, and seen the evidence, that Ross' cows have an affinity for getting over onto the Santa Fe Lake side of the fence. Maybe they like going for swims in the Lake on hot summer days, just like we did all those years ago.
Uh oh, does that mean cow poop in the lake? Are the "no swimming" signs up?
I think someone ought to hose them down. I have almost stopped reading their posts.
Have to sometime to read what the polite folk are talking about. Then I almost wish I had not.
Oh, this has been a "HOT summer. when I don't get enough sleep, I can get very cranky.
May be one reason my dog has moved to the floor...........LOL...nope the cement flooring is cooler than the bed.
Come cooler weather she will move back up with Mom.
Chill people....there is enough "Hot air" in Kansas
Quote from: Judy Harder on July 08, 2011, 11:02:59 AM
I think someone ought to hose them down. I have almost stopped reading their posts.
I don't believe for one minute that you have stopped reading this thread or the posts.
See the truth is if you had I would not be responding to your post. So perhaps you should turn that hose on yourself IMHO
so you don't get caught in any more little white lies.
Also you could click the little note at te bottom of the notification e-mail that says
Unsubscribe to this topic by clicking here:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=notify;topic=11780.0
Try to have a very plesant day and avoid the heat. And I am refering to the weather.
Ross - responding to Judy Harder:
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 11:21:53 AM
I don't believe for one minute that you have stopped reading this thread or the posts.
See the truth is if you had I would not be responding to your post. So perhaps you should turn that hose on yourself IMHO
so you don't get caught in any more little white lies.
Also you could click the little note at te bottom of the notification e-mail that says
Unsubscribe to this topic by clicking here:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=notify;topic=11780.0
Try to have a very plesant day and avoid the heat. And I am refering to the weather.
And he goes around calling me a bully? ::) :P
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
Tell the people here what superhero, protector of the county , Batman Ross and his side kick Robin Snively, accomplished at the commission meeting by asking Jennifer Brummel and Elizabeth Hendricks whether they work for the county or for Elk Konnected, other than to waste everyones time?
I spoke with our Elected County officials during their open forum where they ask citizens to speak up. And I never asked Jennifer Brummell who she works for. You seem to have all your facts wrong.
It is not a waste of time and I pay for the priviledge to speak to my elected officials. What is it that you don't understand about that?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
If they are giving their time for the community , is that considerered a job , or devotion to their county?
They are not giving their time. they ran for office and won and accept a monthly pay check, health insurance and possibly other benefits. Those things come from the taxpayers.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
If they are doing anything for the county, it's more than you ever will. If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
Once again the tax payers pay for it. Only taxpayers do not call the people
STUPID. You should be ashamed of yourself. Didn't your momma teach you any respect????
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
The meetings aren't private, the people involved come from the entire county , as the meetings are held county wide.
You are wrong again those things you speak of are so called Elk Konnected Community Conversations with a person controlling everyone who attends, they are not meetings. Now can you tell me when and where the meeting of the admitted members who own and run Elk Konnected are held?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Doesn't Elk Konnected have it's own agenda? Do you know what it is? Or do you know who owns and runs Elk Konnected?
Please waste some more keystrokes on the subject, but by all means don't waste any more keystrokes on me with insults or bullying, that would be highly appreciated. Thank you.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 08:06:04 AM
Slow down and take a breath, Rosco... ::)...You're going to hurt yourself at this rate... ;D
Are you refering to one of the following post or perhaps both.
Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
« Reply #1951 on: Today at 08:07:43 am »
ORRe: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
« Reply #1950 on: Today at 05:53:25 am »
Which one bothers you?
No my dear it might be that I am just getting started. Are you saying you approve of sophomoric bullying.
Is it something Elk Konnected approves of?
And I promise I will not hurt myself.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: flintauqua on July 08, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
Ross - responding to Judy Harder:
And he goes around calling me a bully? ::) :P
There was nothing bullying in there it was all very polite and only contained a suggestion.
But I am so glad you are paying attention. You may accidently learn something.
Please stay tuned.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 12:05:17 PM
There was nothing bullying in there it was all very polite and only contained a suggestion.
"Politeness, the most acceptable hypocrisy."
Ambrose Bierce
Quote from: flintauqua on July 08, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
"Politeness, the most acceptable hypocrisy."
Ambrose Bierce
and the most POISONOUS...
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 11:57:37 AM
Are you saying you approve of sophomoric bullying.
You must, you indulge in it enough... ::) ::)...Rosco, seriously...Get over yourself! lol Go out, go swimming, take a walk, toss a lure into one of those fabulous farm ponds down there...Go do anything else other than copy and paste yourself into an early grave! lol :o ::)
Quote from: flintauqua on July 08, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
"Politeness, the most acceptable hypocrisy."
Ambrose Bierce
Well since you must.
Politeness: The Most Acceptable Hypocrisy. -- Ambrose Bierce:
"The Devil's Dictionary"I don't subscribe to
"The Devil's Dictionary".Sorry. Do you subscribe???
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 01:53:38 PM
I don't subscribe to "The Devil's Dictionary".
You must...You're devlishly irritating! lol ::) ;D
Interesting how liberal progressives always persist in trying to humiliate, demonize and ridicule those they don't agree with or topics/concepts they fail to understand. Chalk it up to government schooling, perhaps. Then there's their lectures on tolerance and diversity, love and grace, forgiveness and understanding, man made global warming and carbon footprints. All fine and great till the shoe's on the other foot.
Now, about that rather large, but unconventional, bank loan........ oops... too early for that one?
OK, how about the greater public view of the questions being raised? Surely the 4 or 5 chronic posters here can acknowledge that there are dozens more folks than themselves reading. And now are asking the same questions we are. There are, you know.
Quote from: flintauqua on July 08, 2011, 12:13:12 PM
"Politeness, the most acceptable hypocrisy."
Ambrose Bierce
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 08, 2011, 01:18:12 PM
and the most POISONOUS...
Well since you must.
Politeness: The Most Acceptable Hypocrisy. -- Ambrose Bierce:
"The Devil's Dictionary"I don't subscribe to
"The Devil's Dictionary".Sorry. So thatsMRSc2u Do you subscribe as?well??
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
...]"The Devil's Dictionary".
The devil's in the details Ross. Maybe that's why folks are unwilling to share details. They don't want us, or the rest of the taxpayers, to meet the devil head on. Maybe those not really answering and those distracting want to keep him all to themselves.
Being too comfortable with the status quo isn't always a good thing.
Quote from Patriot:
Interesting how liberal progressives always persist in trying to humiliate, demonize and ridicule those they don't agree with or topics/concepts they fail to understand.
Could we get a big fat AMEN to that ?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 08, 2011, 08:07:26 AM
The fair in Longton is called the Longton Elk County Fair. You can't just say Elk County fair because both Howard and Longton hold fairs in the summer. During the year that the 4-H fair is in the town they call it the 4-H fair, like this year it is Howard Elk County 4-H fair, and Longton is called Longton Elk County Free Fair. I think that is how they do it. Might be wrong, but I enjoy both of the fairs!!
First off, Longton does call their fair the
Longton Free Fair not the Longton Elk County Fair. You can read the sign on the highway.
From Skyways.org on Longton.
Special Events
The "Ozark Jamboree" on Thursday evenings in Longton is fun & free. Amateur singing and performance in Brighton Hall
The
Longton Free Fair every summer offers classic rural fair events: Food by a local group, exhibits of kids' projects and a rodeo.
Each fall, the wolf hunters of Kansas hold their field trials in and around Longton. More dogs than you'll ever want to see unless you're a wolfhunter.
http://www.skyways.org/towns/Longton/index.html
Second copying directly from the newspaper on the front page Please read my quote from an earlier post:
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 07:07:43 AM
But wait a minute the District Director and Agent 4-H and Ag & Natural Resources called it The Elk County 4-H Fair,
right there on the front page of the newspaper.
IMHO I think he is very right in his title of the fair so other titles must be wrong, right??
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 08:13:05 AM
In other words, Angie...Just good ol' common sense at work...Gee. Pretty simple stuff, Rosco...There ya go!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Quote from: jarhead on July 08, 2011, 02:40:56 PM
Could we get a big fat AMEN to that ?
More likely to get flamed in these parts.
Quote from: jarhead on July 08, 2011, 02:40:56 PM
Quote from Patriot:
Interesting how liberal progressives always persist in trying to humiliate, demonize and ridicule those they don't agree with or topics/concepts they fail to understand.
Could we get a big fat AMEN to that ?
Amen, brother. And Halleluyah.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 01:55:02 PM
You must...You're devlishly irritating! lol ::) ;D
Now that I seriously appreciate.
I love it, very funny.
I'm serious I'm chuckling up a storm.
:D :angel: :laugh: ::) :o :angel:
And I am not being the least bit sarcastic. I love it.
But No I'm sorry I don't subscribe to "The Devil's Dictionary"
Awwww, don't be sorry in the least, Ross...You're just the same as the rest of us. None of us subscribe to anything having to do with the head of Hades...And all of us are capable of being supremely irritating. That's what makes this adult playground such a fun place...You just never know what it is that you're going to read on here! lol ;) ;D
I guess you didn't see that I said I wasn't sure. Sorry that I messed that up, too!! You really do come off as being so perfect in this whole county. I for one, am not!!! I have only been around Elk County for nearly 37 years only lived here about oh 18 years. I did state that I liked both fairs!! DID YOU NOT SEE THAT????
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Angie...He's definently not perfect...And far from being any kind of definitive, representative voice for mainstream Elk County.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 04:04:37 PM
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, Angie...He's definently not perfect...And far from being any kind of definitive, representative voice for mainstream Elk County.
You my dearIMHO are so weird.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 03:17:12 PM
Awwww, don't be sorry in the least, Ross...You're just the same as the rest of us. None of us subscribe to anything having to do with the head of Hades...And all of us are capable of being supremely irritating. That's what makes this adult playground such a fun place...You just never know what it is that you're going to read on here! lol ;) ;D
But really can anyone answer the basic questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are their real goals?
How do you plan to meet their goals?
;D ;D You don't have to be crazy to do this job (deflecting the amount of craziness written about good, God-fearing individuals trying to better the lot of the people living in Elk County), but it helps! lol ;) ;D :o ::)
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 04:54:26 PM
;D ;D You don't have to be crazy to do this job (deflecting the amount of craziness written about good, God-fearing individuals trying to better the lot of the people living in Elk County), but it helps! lol ;) ;D :o ::)
Where are those God fearing people when they are doing using nonsencical diversions and referencing
"The Devil's Dictionary".
And just how can you better anything when you don't know:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who the admitted members are who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who your Leader is?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 04:54:26 PM
;D ;D You don't have to be crazy to do this job (deflecting the amount of craziness written about good, God-fearing individuals trying to better the lot of the people living in Elk County), but it helps! lol ;) ;D :o ::)
Do God fearing people do things like:
By abuseing Elk County resoursces by:
Abuse our Elk County Government web site until County Commissioner Liebeus aunt called them on it?
Didn't Elk Konnected abuse the Elk County Crisis phone system buy using it for their own purposes until a ruckus was raised?
Didn't Elk Konnected claim to be sponsering the Elk County Summer Day Camp.
The Elk County Summer Day Camp was set straight at the Elk County Commissioners Meeting. When the commissioners admitted that our Elk County employee in the position of Economic Development and Youth Development applied for the grant and when it was admitted to that she is also running the program.
Do actions such as these make Elk County a better place?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
Stay right in there, Ross.
Socialism has never solved anything.
I'm no socialist...I'm a member of a democratic society and enjoy all of the privileges therein...But I'd have to suspect you of being a communist, Red...After all...You've publically stated it in your name...You're RED...Oh my... :o :o ::)
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
Well since you must.
Politeness: The Most Acceptable Hypocrisy. -- Ambrose Bierce: "The Devil's Dictionary"
I don't subscribe to "The Devil's Dictionary".
Sorry. So thatsMRSc2u Do you subscribe as?well??
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uh.......it's a book.......some of the definitions are kinda humorous quite actually. Got a feeling you think nobody actually knows what it is so you can use it to make somebody seem NON"god-fearing". You are a PIECE of work buddy.
LOL ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 05:24:58 PM
I'm no socialist...I'm a member of a democratic society and enjoy all of the privileges therein...But I'd have to suspect you of being a communist, Red...After all...You've publically stated it in your name...You're RED...Oh my... :o :o ::)
You are? What country do you live in? I'm a member of a Representative Republic, of which is the polar opposite of a democracy.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 08, 2011, 05:26:12 PM
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uh.......it's a book.......some of the definitions are kinda humorous quite actually. Got a feeling you think nobody actually knows what it is so you can use it to make somebody seem NON"god-fearing". You are a PIECE of work buddy.
Quite profane really. Definitely anti-God.
As some of you know I use the term "Sodbuster", Kansas Boy, etc. with the sense of pride that it deserves. When I came to California I used to hear: Are you from the South (You have to be kidding I don't have an accent)? Kansas, isn't that flat? (Not where I come from). Hey is it like the movie Deliverance? (No, that's more like Arkansas). I spent years fighting to convince people that it wasn't just a bunch of inbred rednecks. Maybe I have been out here too long or maybe all they said was true? Right now this thread is doing nothing to dispel the incorrect notion that you all are unsophisticated hicks. ??? :o ;) :-[ ::) Is there a holier than thou button on this thing? If I can figure out how to do a poll on my post I will, I am hoping I can offend 100% of you currently posting on this topic.
David
p.s. Ross and Patriot you don't know me. I can get you the information that you desire. I have family members inside of Elk County that have been involved in its governance and building it from a frontier. Though reading papers filed by your state Senator, I see that you all have undone what my family did to bring Kansas out of the frontier in the 20th Century. Why did the State of Kansas designate you all as a "frontier" ? All kidding and teasing aside can we get this alll back on track. I think it is an important topic.
Frontier designation comes when you have less than 6 people per square mile, right? Am I remembering that correctly? Or is it less than 8 people per square mile?
Nice to see you posting again, David... :D...Missed reading you! ;)
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
QuoteI spent years fighting to convince people that it wasn't just a bunch of inbred rednecks.
???? I would love to hear you say that to a southerner in person! In fact i would pay good money to see that!
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 08, 2011, 05:26:12 PM
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uh.......it's a book.......some of the definitions are kinda humorous quite actually. Got a feeling you think nobody actually knows what it is so you can use it to make somebody seem NON"god-fearing". You are a PIECE of work buddy.
It was your buddy that started it. He thought no one knew.
Na,na,na,na.
Ross, my dear, IMHO you are totally weird... ::)...But it is nice to see you lightening up your tone...I hope you have a good weekend! :D
Quote from: srkruzich on July 08, 2011, 06:32:46 PM
???? I would love to hear you say that to a southerner in person! In fact i would pay good money to see that!
I know what you mean Steve. First I would have to explain that the goat they were sleeping with wasn't their sister\baby mama so that they understood I wasn't dissing their family. Steve, no offense meant to you for being from the South. You are a good Kansas boy now as far as I can tell. Also, I bet you treat them goats better than family. :angel:
David
Hey Sodbuster you hit the nail on the head. I'm just a hick and I am not offended by it.
I ain't no college papered white collar smart assed bully.
Just a hick with a few honest questions that keep getting bullied.
Have you really read this whole thread?
I think I have proved I don't know anything except that I am a veteran, a taxpayer in this county and a voter in this county.
Which I believe gives me the right to ask questions of an organization that appears to blur the lines between my elected officials and their organization. And they have openly admitted it in the County Commissioners meetings.
But hey, what do I know?
I get so many re-directions, defelctions and so many nasty remarks it is really confusing.
Ya know what I mean. And it makes it very difficult to be polite, although I try very hard to remain polite and respectable.
The organization is on the internet and I am almost certain they are watching this thread because of some of the remarks that have been made on here.
But oh, well.
IMHO, I feel they are sending the wrong message to the Elk County citizenship with their followers actions and their inaction.
I'd like to see the Elk Konnected admited owners, members break their silence and speak with us.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 06:48:40 PM
Ross, my dear, IMHO you are totally weird... ::)...But it is nice to see you lightening up your tone...I hope you have a good weekend! :D
You just now noticing. I have said I am a crazy old fart many times.
I think. Oh heck, what ever. Have great weekend yourself.
Ross...
If you had just sounded like this to begin with (your response to Sodbuster), it wouldn't have surprised me to see that communication occur.
I hope the members do break their silence and communicate, not only with you, per se, but with all those who honestly do have the same questions you do.
And, by the way...I honestly meant it when I said that I hope you have a good weekend...No catty remark contained therein. Get some rest, big guy...Monday brings a new week full of internet fun...;)
Cat.
Ross I was serious about helping you get your questions resolved. Yes I have read the whole thread, but I have gotten lost in all the name calling and bickering. Ross I have many hundreds of posts probably a couple thousand, I have been paying attention. You tell me in straight forward questions without banners and "sound bite" style sentences I will help you find the answers to your questions.
David
ps. Ross your continuous mention of your military service on a topic where it is not relevant is considered very ill mannered by many veterans. I would hope you would adopt the same decorum.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:49:03 PM
I know what you mean Steve. First I would have to explain that the goat they were sleeping with wasn't their sister\baby mama so that they understood I wasn't dissing their family. Steve, no offense meant to you for being from the South. You are a good Kansas boy now as far as I can tell. Also, I bet you treat them goats better than family. :angel:
David
I'll tell ya, it says a whole lot coming from someone who lives in the land of fruits n nuts!
So....Blueberryies/Blackberries and pecans/black walnuts raised in Elk/Greenwood/Chatauqua County aren't fruits and nuts anymore?
dang! STEVE!
<<<<<sarcasm off, I think I knew what you meant.
ready
Quote from: srkruzich on July 08, 2011, 08:22:08 PM
I'll tell ya, it says a whole lot coming from someone who lives in the land of fruits n nuts!
Steve we prefer to call them gay and excentric (eccentric is the correct spelling, Just a typo that x and c are close). I'd like to see you say that to the "dikes on bikes" or the dude at 8th and Mission. By the way I think some of them are from the South. (And I don't mean Mexico, though I am sure some are from there too.)
David
David this joke is far far old.
Do you know what California and Texas have in common?
Steers and Queers.
I had to throw that oe out there after what I've been reading.
You are a kansan and should not be offended.
It was an old joke I heard in the military.
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 08:56:15 PM
David this joke is far far old.
Do you know what California and Texas have in common?
Steers and Queers.
I had to throw that oe out there after what I've been reading.
You are a kansan and should not be offended.
It was an old joke I heard in the military.
Ross, not only have I heard it I have said it. Steve same with the fruits and nuts. As far as what do California and Texas have in common? They are the Democratic and Republican states that show the trend of the whole U.S. in my opinion.
David
OK we had our fun, vented our frustration disparaged California, Texas, Kansas, Arkansas, and the South. Let's start over and do this discussion justice.
David
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 07:11:02 PM
Ross...
If you had just sounded like this to begin with (your response to Sodbuster), it wouldn't have surprised me to see that communication occur.
I hope the members do break their silence and communicate, not only with you, per se, but with all those who honestly do have the same questions you do.
And, by the way...I honestly meant it when I said that I hope you have a good weekend...No catty remark contained therein. Get some rest, big guy...Monday brings a new week full of internet fun...;)Cat.
Okay, perhaps I did start out with a bit of an attitude, but I felt very mistreated by Elk Konnected and the way they operate.
That very first meeting they had and I attended, I made a suggestion in their little circle and was poorly treated and was ready to leave almost half way through. But I stuck it out to see what would happen. I chose not to go to anymore of their conversations. What stirred me up was when Elk Konnected took it on themselves to determine how the PILOT money should be handled. We have elected officials that are suppose to be the leaders of this county and it is their job to call a meeting if they need or want input.
It's not the responsibility of some organization with their own special interest using a facilitator from Wichita County who is hired to manipulate the crowd. Let our supposed leaders step up to the plate or sit in the stands. A government of the people, for the people and by the people. No where in that do I read organization with secret owners/ members using followers/volunteers.
Stepping down now.
I ain't no big guy, however if I sweat 5 pounds off my tummy putting up hay this next week I'll be happy. I'm short not to short, old and ugly and happy as hell on my little 60 acres. Happy to be out of the rat race of the big cities. Happy to be able to go pee in my pasture if I choose, Happy to walk down to my pond for solace and a word with God. But I am still just a crazy old fart.
Mr. Ross...
Now, this is the conversation that I would have loved to have many posts ago...And I can respect the person stating his case.
Thank you...Your generosity in sharing that with me is appreciated more than you can know. :)
A little crazy isn't a bad thing...It gives you the gumption to get up and go, no matter what your age! lol
Thank you again, Mr. Ross.
Catwoman
now that post made sense, Ross!
and I still agree!
Thank you!
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 07:11:02 PM
I hope the members do break their silence and communicate, not only with you, per se, but with all those who honestly do have the same questions you do.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 08, 2011, 09:25:24 PM
Now, this is the conversation that I would have loved to have many posts ago...And I can respect the person stating his case.
Taking you at face value, thank you for the sensible approach. That I
can appreciate.
If I recall, most of our concerns & questions were pretty clear in the beginning. Perhaps we can find ways to address them now, without defensiveness or fruitless side trips into unrelated matters or personal attacks. I would sure hope so.
Again, thanks for the rational approach.
I ain't no big guy, however if I sweat 5 pounds off my tummy putting up hay this next week I'll be happy. I'm short not to short, old and ugly and happy as hell on my little 60 acres. Happy to be out of the rat race of the big cities. Happy to be able to go pee in my pasture if I choose, Happy to walk down to my pond for solace and a word with God. But I am still just a crazy old fart.
I think we all can admit to most of that.......heck, would love to be out in the back 40, doing all of that.
I choose to live in Elk County...........I am a Topekan native and yes, I am proud of my back ground. I just deal better down here than in a big city. I think if we skip generations and go back, I was once a pioneer and or barefoot hillbilly...........cause, I just do fit into my family. Might I say, "I march to my own drummer!" or something. Nice to meet you.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 08, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
So....Blueberryies/Blackberries and pecans/black walnuts raised in Elk/Greenwood/Chatauqua County aren't fruits and nuts anymore?
dang! STEVE!
<<<<<sarcasm off, I think I knew what you meant.
ready
LOL well they have hollyweird, gayfransico, san bernadino. I paid my penance there years ago, and all i got for it was a severe case of desert fever. (Bronchitus in the soil there). I was never so glad to get the hell out of dodge back then. The ONLY saving grace of LA was they had the fatburger restaurant. Mmmmmmm...... Big fat juicy burgers and fries deep fried in lard. Gotta love that place
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 08:30:04 PM
Steve we prefer to call them gay and excentric (eccentric is the correct spelling, Just a typo that x and c are close). I'd like to see you say that to the "dikes on bikes" or the dude at 8th and Mission. By the way I think some of them are from the South. (And I don't mean Mexico, though I am sure some are from there too.)
David
Probably so we sent them out that way. said they would be much happier there.
Folks,
I don't want you disillusioned, nor do I want to be disillusioned and I sure hope you can appreciate that.
For all the nastiness and constant diversions to suddenly disappear is unsettling to me. It has really set me back a step.
As the skeptic I am from having been a federal government employee for many years, I just don't buy it. Sorry.
It's sort of like the tactics of the man from Wichita County. And by that IMHO I mean he comes across as a nice guy, but I do Not for one minute believe he would hesitate to attempt making a fool out of a person for his own gain. Such as politely, and using a soft voice and a microphone to ask where the sheriff is.
No, you see I am still the same person that started this thread, open, honest and interested in the county in which I live.
I see things tending to go the way of city life and the citizens of the county's right's being eroded. Now that is my personal honest opinion.
Now because someone that use to live here, but now lives in California thinks he has all the answers in Elk County, I am asked to change my method of posting and everyone that has opposed this thread is suddenly my friend which leaves a lot of suspicion in my mind. And it happens just hours efore Sodbusters appearance on the thread.
No I don't believe I will change my style of posting at the request of a newbie in California that comes with his first post on this thread. He may say:
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
I think it is an important topic.
But fails to express how he feels about the topic.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Right now this thread is doing nothing to dispel the incorrect notion that you all are unsophisticated hicks.
Well, sir that's exactly what I am and want to be. I have had a life time of sophisticated, hi-falluten, back-stabbin liars. They lacked the couth to be truthful and that is part of the reason our country is in the shape it is. Misspelled intentionally.
Those that are staying hidden must have a reason to hide and I can't figure out why. If there organization is for the betterment of Elk County I feel they would be proud of that fact and come forward. Very simple.
My grandiose of flashy posting as you suggest is no different then their headline grabbing or letter writing and publishing on the Internet and a local magazine. And I don't Hear you asking them to stop their way of grabbing the proverbial limelight.
So no thank you Sodbuster. I hope you are enjoying California, I know I did when I lived there. I just wouldn't want to live there permanently.
President Teddy Roosevelt: "the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena... Who strives valiantly."
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Mr. Ross...I was expecting this reaction on your part. Sodbuster was honestly offering you his help...No switch and bait attempted there. As for the sudden lack of accrimony on everyone's part...Don't you suspect, since you admit to being suspicious, that it just might be that all of the mature adults who post here are just flat sick and tired of all the sophomoric antics? You have valid questions...Which a rational, thought out approach might get answers to. I know that the constant fighting is an addictive thing...But let it go and concentrate on your questions.
Catwoman
Quoteeveryone that has opposed this thread is suddenly my friend
I aint your friend and I dont care about your thread.
QuoteI aint your friend and I dont care about your thread.
Then please give yourself permission to not post anymore....promise?
That would be your thatsMRS 2¢ to you.
snarky, yes. honest, yes.
We are discussing wether or not the county is misusing funds, that you as taxpayers pay.
If you don't care...don't respond.
Simple, very simple.
ready
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
Mr. Ross...I was expecting this reaction on your part. Sodbuster was honestly offering you his help...No switch and bait attempted there. As for the sudden lack of accrimony on everyone's part...Don't you suspect, since you admit to being suspicious, that it just might be that all of the mature adults who post here are just flat sick and tired of all the sophomoric antics? You have valid questions...Which a rational, thought out approach might get answers to. I know that the constant fighting is an addictive thing...But let it go and concentrate on your questions.
Catwoman
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
Mr. Ross...I was expecting this reaction on your part.
I didn't know what to expect of me so you are very good. It was a polite response.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
Sodbuster was honestly offering you his help...No switch and bait attempted there.
Sodbuster is welcome to do whatever he can do, no one has said otherwise. However that does not privilege to tell me what to do. I was in no way disrespectful to sodbuster the newbie to this thread.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
As for the sudden lack of accrimony on everyone's part...Don't you suspect, since you admit to being suspicious, that it just might be that all of the mature adults who post here are just flat sick and tired of all the sophomoric antics?
Nope, I don't believe that at all.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
You have valid questions...
Thank you, I appreciate this remark.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 09, 2011, 11:45:53 AM
I know that the constant fighting is an addictive thing...But let it go and concentrate on your questions.
I didn't care for the sophomoric actions and attitudes but I figured it was entertaining to those that perpetrated it. So let's move on, okay.
President Teddy Roosevelt: "the credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena... Who strives valiantly."
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected.
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quotemisusing funds
Perhaps a more appropriate word might be: re-directing, miss-representing.
QuoteThen please give yourself permission to not post anymore....promise?
May post.......may not.
Feel free to skip reading it if I do.
Ross, there for a little while I honestly thought you wanted answers. But, you, sir, have turned down an honest offer to get your answers for you? Do you or do you not want answers? All you would have to do is present your request in a manner befitting a person of intelligence instead of a flamboyant barker.
Quote from: Wilma on July 09, 2011, 03:47:34 PM
Ross, there for a little while I honestly thought you wanted answers. But, you, sir, have turned down an honest offer to get your answers for you? Do you or do you not want answers? All you would have to do is present your request in a manner befitting a person of intelligence instead of a flamboyant barker.
Once bitten, twice shy, Wilma. Review the flames in this thread over the last 60 days or so, some even from you. To have someone 1500 miles away, who Ross doesn't know from Adam, show up and offer answers regarding recent local events is a bit unusual. Perhaps if some credibility were established, the offer might be more readily received. Of course, there's tons pf posts containing questions. Perhaps sodbuster could offer answers to a few.
Many here have tried to combat reasonable questions by making personal situations more important than the topic at hand and have gone to extremes to avoid any discussion of the issues. I'm also a bit skeptical of the newly found interest and openness to discussion. I've never known zebra to change its' stripes... especially overnight. Your response here tends to support the validity of that observation. The intelligence of those asking questions isn't the issue... the questions are. But thanks for the input.
Wilma, why don't you want answers about Elk Konnected?
Quote from sodbuster:
ps. Ross your continuous mention of your military service on a topic where it is not relevant is considered very ill mannered by many veterans.
And which veterans would that be, if I may ask ? I know a few veterans myself and know of none that thinks it "very ill mannered". Why would you personally feel that way but do not have a problem with someone reminding you over---and over and over, that they are a teacher ,when most times it is irrelevant to the topic ?
QuoteWilma, why don't you want answers about Elk Konnected?
Perhaps it is a case of 'don't ask, don't tell."
Or, perhaps in this case it is: "I am one, therfore I don't know, but trust?"
(No offense to your beliefs, Wilma.)
ready
Quote from: jarhead on July 09, 2011, 04:33:07 PM
Quote from sodbuster:
ps. Ross your continuous mention of your military service on a topic where it is not relevant is considered very ill mannered by many veterans.
And which veterans would that be, if I may ask ?
Not me! I don't think it's ill mannered.
Hey Sarge, why are you smiling so big in your picture? That's the same smile you had on your ugly mug that night we were camping and you passed wind, then ran out of the tent and wouldn't let me out. If I remember right we had nothing but baked beans for supper that night. Aint that right, Stinky ?
I would like to have answers and I don't understand why an offer from someone that has connections here and might possibly be connected to the so called hidden members is turned down. The only reason that I can see is that the questioner doesn't really want answers because he then wouldn't have any reason to monopolize this thread with the same posts, over and over.
I would like to have answers for the sole purpose of quieting the voracious quest for answers to something that isn't really the public's business. What other private organization or business is required to come on a public forum and reveal their membership, name by name?
Perhaps I should repeat that I am not a member of this organization for the sole reason that I have nothing to offer them. except my support. I could attend meetings, which would be a hardship for me. I could volunteer, which would be a hardship for me but not an asset for them. At my age, I have put in my time as supporter of public activities. I have taught Sunday School and VBS. I have volunteered at the school. I served as an officer of the PTA. I have already done what I could for the betterment of our community. Physically, I am unable to participate any longer. But I can support anyone that is trying to make things better for the children, etc. How many of you can say that.
Those who can, do...Those that can't, talk about it.
Wilma...I know you've been very supportive of everything the kids (and adults) have done, for years now...And you are loved for it. Would that everyone were as able to translate intent into action.
Quote from: Wilma on July 09, 2011, 06:55:38 PM
But I can support anyone that is trying to make things better for the children, etc. How many of you can say that.
ANYTIME i hear that phrase i shudder and start looking for the group thats gong to screw the taxpayers!! Thats the mantra of the progressive left. ITS For the children, think of the children.....then wham you get a massive entitlement that sucks taxpayers dollars.
Yeah, and these days you might not want your kids involved in much of this stuff.
That's the advantage of living in a rural area until it's spread out there too.
Ross just an offer of help because I support your questions and want to know the answers too. Patriot and Ross you are two very paranoid conspiracy theorists. I was having trouble figuring out why Patriot a former private investigator and you were having trouble getting answers to your questions. They are available if you really want them. I get it you don't want my help. Toil and rant away. Jarhead and Sarge I know some people don't see it the way other do. Ross, regarding my remark about you stating your military service in a situation where it was not relavent. It was hypocritical of me because my remark was not relavent. Ross, I apologize to you. Carry on boys.
David
Quote from: jarhead on July 09, 2011, 04:33:07 PM
Why would you personally feel that way but do not have a problem with someone reminding you over---and over and over, that they are a teacher ,when most times it is irrelevant to the topic ?
Jarhead, good point, but I am not sure who you mean. It does bother me. Angie, Wilma (I don't know if you were a teacher, but you used to correct my spelling like one), Catwoman, Diane, and Warph my favorite teacher and veteran\low level State department employee( Even though I know you were a spook :D). May you all be admonished because Jarhead says so.
David
LOL ;D :o ::) Well, if Jarhead says so... ;D
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Patriot and Ross you are two very paranoid conspiracy theorists...
Pretty straightforward accusation, don't you think? If you were qualified to make that diagnosis, you would surely want to base it on more than a series of questions asked about a company and its' open use of government resources, wouldn't you?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
I was having trouble figuring out why Patriot a former private investigator and you were having trouble getting answers to your questions.
Don't know what conclusion you came up with, but from here it appears that those with first hand knowledge are unwilling to engage in any public forum that is open and not artificially moderated... or otherwise not facilitated.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
They are available if you really want them.
In reading his thread you should have discovered that those 'answering' the concerns do so with little, if any, first hand knowledge. If, as you have said, you offer authoritative, first hand answers, then the questions are still posted throughout this thread... answer away. I'm wondering at this point why you need to 'offer assistance'.... just jumping in with good answers would seem a perfectly acceptable approach.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
I get it you don't want my help.
I don't think 'help' is that which is sought. Answers would be the objective, and if you have them, by all means fire away. You definitely don't need our permission.
Patriot, you are an intelligent well spoken person. You are also, a whack job. Continue your diatribes with out the slightest attempt at actually resolving the issue.
David
Six Dogs Mom. Edie these newcomers to Elk County don't take me seriously because I live 1500 miles away in California. I guess that they don't believe that we have county government that needs oversight on the way they use funds. I was wondering if you might consider me for your "boy toy"? If not I am a good cook and love dogs. I could be your personal assistant. My goal would be to run for local government during my off hours if that would be acceptable to you.
David
;D ;D ;D David, I would be most flattered to have you as my 'Boy Toy'. Can we negotiate on your fare back to Elk County? Let me know, as I might be able to work out something with my cougar friends, some do need dog sitting, and some need good cookin'. These days, just waving a fan at an overheated body might be enough. 108 degrees official in Wichita today, it looks as though they have delayed the scheduled electrical upgrade from tonight until a cooler time. My printer still has a little ink, and I would be most happy to print campaign posters for the reformed California fellow who would set our Elk County on the right path. Let me know, and I will begin to plot out the campaign! :D
Miss Edie I can make it to Howard on my own. I would first love to visit Moline and swing on the ferris wheel across from the vet clinic to kick off my campaign. I have been spoiled by the perfect California weather and we should discuss if you would allow me to take leave to California during the winter. If not I will winter over and help my EK forum friends improve their county and silence the yahoos. I will also, have to seek the blessing of my family spiritual leader.
David
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 09, 2011, 02:07:34 PM
Then please give yourself permission to not post anymore....promise?
That would be your thatsMRS 2¢ to you.
Pam, I know you can appreciate the MRS 2 cents to you. Because of my new found fact that I might have dyslexia. I realize that ready I'm a duck is actually Ready aim duck. No need for you to sick the she wolf on the duck.
David
LOL...Oh, David...It's been too long since you were on this Forum... ;D ;D...I had to laugh when you were called a "newbie"...Just goes to show you who the REAL newbies are!
Quote from sodbuster:
Jarhead, good point, but I am not sure who you mean. It does bother me. Angie, Wilma (I don't know if you were a teacher, but you used to correct my spelling like one), Catwoman, Diane, and Warph my favorite teacher and veteran\low level State department employee( Even though I know you were a spook ). May you all be admonished because Jarhead says so.
David
David, you are such a funny little boy-------but---I would appreciate it if you didn't say I said certain things when that's not what I said. I asked you a simple question but like a good Liberal hypocrite you spun it. Funny you didn't know who I meant but then you list all the teachers you know. And you call Patriot a whack job.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 11:38:53 PM
Patriot, you are an intelligent well spoken person. You are also, a whack job. Continue your diatribes with out the slightest attempt at actually resolving the issue.
David
Thanks for the compliment. As for your whack job assessment... time will tell. What we clearly see now is that you have (had) nothing much to add to the original topic. The personal attacks and defamatory labels tossed out by others have had no positive effect so far, and it's doubtful your name calling will either. I had hoped you were more sincere.
Resolutions? Nothing will actually be resolved here, that's a given. This venue is only a window of insight. Real change happens in the real world. In the last 90 days, it has become obvious to a considerable number of average citizens in Elk County that there are a number of specific issues that need to be addressed by the taxpayers & voters. Each passing day brings to light how many people are watching, listening, and talking about the many things you and others here simply blow off as the rantings of a couple of nutjobs. We shall see.
Bear in mind that the questions posed in this thread are by no means the only ones being asked. The public at large are not as ignorant as some seem to think. You might be surprised, perhaps even shocked, at the changes that are already in the works.
Enjoy your weekend.
Quote from: Patriot on July 10, 2011, 07:47:55 AM
Thanks for the compliment. As for your whack job assessment... time will tell. What we clearly see now is that you have (had) nothing much to add to the original topic. The personal attacks and defamatory labels tossed out by others have had no positive effect so far, and it's doubtful your name calling will either. I had hoped you were more sincere.
Resolutions? Nothing will actually be resolved here, that's a given. This venue is only a window of insight. Real change happens in the real world. In the last 90 days, it has become obvious to a considerable number of average citizens in Elk County that there are a number of specific issues that need to be addressed by the taxpayers & voters. Each passing day brings to light how many people are watching, listening, and talking about the many things you and others here simply blow off as the rantings of a couple of nutjobs. We shall see.
Bear in mind that the questions posed in this thread are by no means the only ones being asked. The public at large are not as ignorant as some seem to think. You might be surprised, perhaps even shocked, at the changes that are already in the works.
Enjoy your weekend.
I think the main thing is to keep the issues up and in the public eye. That way when voting time comes around, there will be some changes made. Personally toss the bums out, re-elect new ones, and don't vote in anyone over 2 terms. Simple solution. It keeps the politicians more honest when they cannot make a career out of it.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
As some of you know I use the term "Sodbuster", Kansas Boy, etc. with the sense of pride that it deserves.
That's your opinion and you can have it.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
When I came to California I used to hear: Are you from the South (You have to be kidding I don't have an accent)? Kansas, isn't that flat? (Not where I come from). Hey is it like the movie Deliverance? (No, that's more like Arkansas). I spent years fighting to convince people that it wasn't just a bunch of inbred rednecks. Maybe I have been out here too long or maybe all they said was true?
Perhaps you presented your self wrong or couldn't take a teasing. I have never encountered such a problem about being from Kansas. And I have lived in cities from San Diego to Seattle and from Corpus Christi to Chicago and places in between.
And for you to diss people from anywhere is just acting like an inbred redneck you are referring to, don't you think?
So perhaps you are the unsophisticated hick you are calling us in the next quote.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Right now this thread is doing nothing to dispel the incorrect notion that you all are unsophisticated hicks. ??? :o ;) :-[ ::) Is there a holier than thou button on this thing?
It would be a waste of your time if they did have a holier than thou button. You keep shooting yourself in the foot.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
If I can figure out how to do a poll on my post I will, I am hoping I can offend 100% of you currently posting on this topic.
David
You have proved that you won't offend everyone. I believe that is called being two faced, but perhaps I am wrong. Anyway I am not offended by you. You need to work harder at it, to back up this statement.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
p.s. Ross and Patriot you don't know me. I can get you the information that you desire. I have family members inside of Elk County that have been involved in its governance and building it from a frontier.
Please enlighten us and answer the very first question! Who are the admitted members who own and run Elk Konnected? That's your first challenge. Are you as sophisticated and knowledgeable as you claim?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Though reading papers filed by your state Senator, I see that you all have undone what my family did to bring Kansas out of the frontier in the 20th Century. Why did the State of Kansas designate you all as a "frontier" ? All kidding and teasing aside can we get this alll back on track. I think it is an important topic.
This is a very important topic both locally and nationally, wherever these type of things are happening. It is important to the taxpayers in their respective communities. Why you may ask? Well if the local governments lacks over sight by their citizens and runs out of control, how can these same people expect any kind of oversight of value on the national level.?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Ross just an offer of help because I support your questions and want to know the answers too.
I appreciate the fact that you support
our questions. And I say
"our" because I am not the only one on this thread asking. And I'm sure there are a lot of people watching this thread that are not participating but are awaiting some serious answers. Your help is welcome.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
Patriot and Ross you are two very paranoid conspiracy theorists.
I can't speak for patriot, but if by being a concerned citizen and asking a few question is being
Paranoid, I am proud to be Paranoid.
Neither one of us has used the word conspiracy, except to deny using the word in this thread. It appears to be a favorite word of you Elk Konnected followers. Please tell this hick what is intelligent and sophisticated about calling us conspiracy theorists or any other names. That is simply bullying. It also blows holes in everything you have posted, in the opinion of this un-papered hick.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PM
you were having trouble getting answers to your questions. They are available if you really want them. I get it you don't want my help.
You may help all you want? Just type away.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Though reading papers filed by your state Senator, I see that you all have undone what my family did to bring Kansas out of the frontier in the 20th Century. Why did the State of Kansas designate you all as a "frontier" ? All kidding and teasing aside can we get this alll back on track. I think it is an important topic.
This is a very important topic both locally and nationally, wherever these type of things are happening. It is important to the taxpayers in their respective communities. Why you may ask? Well if the local governments lacks over sight by their citizens and runs out of control, how can these same people expect any kind of oversight of value on the national level.?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 08, 2011, 06:10:10 PM
Though reading papers filed by your state Senator, I see that you all have undone what my family did to bring Kansas out of the frontier in the 20th Century.
I ain't guilty of that cuz I just moved back to Kansas. Must be them followers you are talking to. Sorry folks he said it.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 09, 2011, 08:29:32 PMRoss, regarding my remark about you stating your military service in a situation where it was not relavent. It was hypocritical of me because my remark was not relavent. Ross, I apologize to you. Carry on boys.
David
Your remark was hypocritical but it appears to me that the majority of your post comes across as hypocritical. So I'm sorry, I can not honestly and in good faith say I accept your apology, I'd be lying.
But I will not carry a grudge over it.
I was asked what gave me the right to ask questions of my county government and I respectfully answered.
I'd like to add to that I have twenty years of service to our country. Ten years as a veteran and ten as a civil servant. Have you served our country? It's not really necessary or required to be a good citizen, or a taxpayer or a voter, I am just curious.
Now you go on, go right ahead and slap me down. I can handle it.
But in the mean time can you answer five easy questions? You claim to be sophisticated enough to do that. And you claim to have family well connected and able to get the answers. Let's hear them, please. Are you as sophisticated and knowledgeable as you claim?
Oh yea, I'm a whack job too! Now you don't have to call me one. Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
What are their real goals?
How do they plan to meet their goals?
If the group that is "watching" suddenly got all their answers, or answers that they would accept, what would change?
Would a new set of questions be created? Would the listed people be attacked verbally or physically? If a "good ol' boy" network does exist, does that automatically mean they are wrong? If some were business owners, would their businesses be boycotted? Why do the "watchers" need to have their questions answered here on the forum? Isn't it all public knowledge if one would just go get it?
Are some of you planning to run someone out of town? Literally or figuratively? One pair said that on an another issue; they were working on chasing someone out of town. Is that really how thing are done there? ( And I don't mean the Murray business.) Are some being smug and judgemental for no reason other than they like to have a reason to be angry as often as possible and point fingers? Just unlabeled freewheeling green eyed Jealousy?
Of what good is the information after all these weeks? Are charges going to be brought? Against whom and for what? What proof? Ya can't take anyone to court for not necessarily making the best choices, if no laws are being broken.
I'm amazed how many people jumped on board AFTER Mr. Ross brought this up as a relative newcomer. Where have the rest of the complainers been for the last four years? Do you all assume that just because someone could skim or reroute money that they would do it? No honor out there? Would you if you thought you could get away with it? Why? In Kansas we never locked our doors, house or car. Should I now rethink that?This whole business makes me very sad. Taking a break to go talk to my tomato plants.They need some encouragement.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
If the group that is "watching" suddenly got all their answers, or answers that they would accept, what would change?
Would a new set of questions be created? Would the listed people be attacked verbally or physically? If a "good ol' boy" network does exist, does that automatically mean they are wrong? If some were business owners, would their businesses be boycotted? Why do the "watchers" need to have their questions answered here on the forum? Isn't it all public knowledge if one would just go get it?
Are some of you planning to run someone out of town? Literally or figuratively? One pair said that on an another issue; they were working on chasing someone out of town. Is that really how thing are done there? ( And I don't mean the Murray business.) Are some being smug and judgemental for no reason other than they like to have a reason to be angry as often as possible and point fingers? Just unlabeled freewheeling green eyed Jealousy?
Of what good is the information after all these weeks? Are charges going to be brought? Against whom and for what? What proof? Ya can't take anyone to court for not necessarily making the best choices, if no laws are being broken.
I'm amazed how many people jumped on board AFTER Mr. Ross brought this up as a relative newcomer. Where have the rest of the complainers been for the last four years? Do you all assume that just because someone could skim or reroute money that they would do it? No honor out there? Would you if you thought you could get away with it? Why? In Kansas we never locked our doors, house or car. Should I now rethink that?This whole business makes me very sad. Taking a break to go talk to my tomato plants.They need some encouragement.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
In Kansas we never locked our doors, house or car.
Diane that was then this is now. I bet there was never a drive by shooting in Elk County untill just a few months ago either.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
No honor out there?
Our country as a whole would be far better off if there was. Our financial world would not have destroyed our economy if there was any honor. Alot of the upper crust, the elite, the respected would be in jail if there was any honor in this sensless distruction. And why has all that happened, because nobody questioned what was happening.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
If the group that is "watching" suddenly got all their answers, or answers that they would accept, what would change?
The group that is "watching" are the ones we are asking to come out. But I doubt they will, they must be hiding for a reaseon unbeknownst to me. Untill our questions are answered, there are no questions that I know of thar can be answered. However you are alluding to violence --- which is something I abhor. And I don't feel that it is necessary to bring to this discussion. Althogh what I feel could be called back handed threats that have been made towards myself, I have tried to ignore.
IMHO we should avoid such talk. Thank you Diane.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2011, 10:33:33 AM
Are some of you planning to run someone out of town? Literally or figuratively? One pair said that on an another issue; they were working on chasing someone out of town. Is that really how thing are done there? ( And I don't mean the Murray business.) Are some being smug and judgemental for no reason other than they like to have a reason to be angry as often as possible and point fingers? Just unlabeled freewheeling green eyed Jealousy?
Like a good ole southern saying, he just needed killing...... If they need chasin out of town, the chase em out of town. I remember when that half baked idiot from new york, al sharpton came down to my neck of the woods, dawson county georgia, stirring up trouble along with the witch of the north oprah, they both got run out of town on a rail. Their sole intent was to make dawson and forsyth counties look racist because they were predominately white. The simple truth was there was no bus lines up there and therefor no transportation for anyone that couldn't afford a car. The few blacks that lived there were professionals and contributed to the community rather than sucked off the teats of the taxpayer.
Most of N GA is predominately white, because of that very reason. And the land and housing prices are so high, that only the middle class on up can afford to live there and commute to work down in atlanta.
Sodbuster; first I want to thank you for including me in the list of teachers. I am honored to be ranked with such as Catwoman, Diane and Angie. However, my formal education ended when I graduated from Piedmont High School in 1948. I did work two years as a teacher's aide in the Special Education class at Severy. Does that classify me as a teacher? I don't think so because when I read Catwoman's posts I can see how much I lack in the scholarly department. Ditto the others. Would I have liked to have been a teacher? I don't think so. I can't stand the br------um. I am off subject again. Must go.
QuotePosted by: Wilma I can't stand the br------um. I am off subject again. Must go.
Barium???the uses of barium
glassmaking
barite is extensively used as a weighting agent in oil well drilling fluids, and in making rubber
the carbonate is a rat poison
the nitrate and chlorate give green colours (CARE!) in pyrotechnics
sulphide is a white pigment
making rubber
rat poison
I always thought it was a Barium enema???? No wonder you had to go! ;D
Funny, funny, funny. Thank you for not recognizing what I almost said.
Did you hear about the problems with the golf courses in Wichita. They aren't making enough money to support themselves.
The reason I mention, it is because of the suggestion of a golf course in Elk County on page one of this thread.
The golfers in Wichita says it is important to quality of life. I say great. You need a golf course build yourself one, instead of taxpayers paying for you to chase a little white ball around. Or go rent a video and watch someone else chase the ball.
The term quality of life is used to evaluate the general well-being of individuals and societies and I just don't believe Golf can have any real effect in this area. If it does then git busy building my pool hall, that would affect my quality of life.
I like to play snooker, but you don't see the taxpayers building pool halls for me.
I love snooker, but where in the world can you find a real snooker table these days?
Quote from: Sarge on July 11, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
I love snooker, but where in the world can you find a real snooker table these days?
It's been a long time since I've played snooker. But I'd love to do it again.
Sarge do ya think the county could build us seniors a senior citizen snooker center at the rodeo grounds?
Ross, you did not understand what I meant, but it's not important. By "watchers'' I meant you and Patriot and Mr. and Mrs. Hillbilly and a few others who see themselves as the watch dogs of the county now. The ones who said they were working on running someone out of town can identify themselves...It wasn't me. I spent too many years scraping up other people's violence to advocate it myself. I've been "suggestively" threatened on here too. Not my style. I'd rather just frustrate people to death. It doesn't leave marks and I'm very good at it. HA.
Ross, I don't think the golf course suggestion was taken very seriously, but when people are brainstorming, everything is fair game to go on the list. If someone had suggested raising camels that would have gone on the list too. How abut cactus farming? Needs very little water, they just have to be hardy. ;)
So why don't you guys get together and buy a snooker table and get permission to set it up somewhere and have some fun?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 11, 2011, 02:08:19 PM
Ross, you did not understand what I meant, but it's not important. By "watchers'' I meant you and Patriot and Mr. and Mrs. Hillbilly and a few others who see themselves as the watch dogs of the county now.
County heck! EVERYONE is supposed to be the watchdog of Liberty and freedom. Everyone is supposed to be EVER VIGILENT on watching for those who would bypass constitutional form of government. INCLUDING the county, city and podunk village. That is why EACH State has a constitution that is in agreement with the US constitution. THe forms of Govenrment involved on a national level is more tightly restricted than on the state and local level but all forms MUST adhere and have no right to go against the Set standard the US constitution which is the law of the land.
So the only way the progressives can get the form of government they want is to slowly and through stealth underhanded tactics, nullify the constitution. The current way of bypassing government by use of private industry is just one way that is usurping the constitutional government. Most likely it is illegal to do what they do. BUt that will have to be taken up by a judge and jury to sort that disaster out.
County business is public business and no private entity has any business getting in between the public and the county. They are interlopers. What is the problem with the county doing its job, holding public meetings LIKE they are supposed to do, and giving all public taxpayers the voice they have the right to? They have no right to insert a third party to control the public. The purpose of these meetings is so that the public gets their voices heard, not some group love session where those who are negative about anything are silenced or have the sherriff sic'd on them.
As far as my comment diane, about running out of town on a rail, I never said thats going to happen. Just said that sometimes it needs to happen. Shoot 70 years ago they used to take any county official that was caught mishandling the taxpayer funds, out in front of the courthouse and strap them to a barrel and horse whip them. Personally they need to bring that back and start with washington and work their way down to the village level.
The ones who said they were working on running someone out of town can identify themselves...It wasn't me. I spent too many years scraping up other people's violence to advocate it myself. I've been "suggestively" threatened on here too. Not my style. I'd rather just frustrate people to death. It doesn't leave marks and I'm very good at it. HA.
Ross, I don't think the golf course suggestion was taken very seriously, but when people are brainstorming, everything is fair game to go on the list. If someone had suggested raising camels that would have gone on the list too. How abut cactus farming? Needs very little water, they just have to be hardy. ;)
So why don't you guys get together and buy a snooker table and get permission to set it up somewhere and have some fun?
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Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 11, 2011, 02:08:19 PM
Ross, you did not understand what I meant, but it's not important. By "watchers'' I meant you and Patriot and Mr. and Mrs. Hillbilly and a few others who see themselves as the watch dogs of the county now. The ones who said they were working on running someone out of town can identify themselves...It wasn't me. I spent too many years scraping up other people's violence to advocate it myself. I've been "suggestively" threatened on here too. Not my style. I'd rather just frustrate people to death. It doesn't leave marks and I'm very good at it. HA.
Ross, I don't think the golf course suggestion was taken very seriously, but when people are brainstorming, everything is fair game to go on the list. If someone had suggested raising camels that would have gone on the list too. How abut cactus farming? Needs very little water, they just have to be hardy. ;)
So why don't you guys get together and buy a snooker table and get permission to set it up somewhere and have some fun?
I would call the organization owners, registered members the watchers Diane. We asking the questions I would consider the engagers asking the watchers to connect. But my goal here is only to get more people interested in their County Government and to open their eyes. And Really get connected.
You may call it brainstorming I call it something else. Using a facilitator to manipulate and to keep everything secret would seem a poor way to brainstorm. Nobody knows who's idea was what or if it was even anyone's idea at the so called community conversation. IMHO, it was more than likely a total hoax to make headlines and
bamboozle the whole county. I sure would definitely like to see evidence to the contrary. I can act just like the organization check it out. Not really, but, I had a very important person in Washington, D.C. tell me to type this message. Do you believe that? Why do people just accept anything an organization says, it's not even a person.
And I do not believe, I or patriot have ever made a threat or a back handed threat or any anyway suggested violence. But I again reiterate the idea should not even be broached on this thread or this forum. There is enough violence in the world.
have you noticed how peacefully quiet the thread is today. No name calling. Really nice.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Sarge on July 11, 2011, 12:26:18 PM
I love snooker, but where in the world can you find a real snooker table these days?
Is there one in Penny's Pub?
Quote from Ross: Diane that was then this is now. I bet there was never a drive by shooting in Elk County untill just a few months ago either.
Ross, we had a drive by shooting in Elk County? Wow. I sure didn't hear about that.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on July 11, 2011, 09:28:36 PM
Is there one in Penny's Pub?
When Doug had it, there was one in there, but I think it was a converted pool table. I can't really remember, I haven't been in there for probably 20 years.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on July 11, 2011, 09:30:47 PM
Quote from Ross: Diane that was then this is now. I bet there was never a drive by shooting in Elk County untill just a few months ago either.
Ross, we had a drive by shooting in Elk County? Wow. I sure didn't hear about that.
It was in Longton, nobody was hurt.
Speaking of being snookered... how do you know?
Look folks, I know you're tired of the core questions in this thread. I've watched some of you defend the lack of answers based largely on emotion ('but they do nice things' or 'I know so & so and they are real nice'). But when do you wake up and realize that a part of your county is being 'directed' by a private, non-elected body? What's more important, principles of good governance or personalities?
You've watched for years as your population diminished, your children left for lack of work, your taxes skyrocketed, your infrastructures stagnated, and your public debt grew to half of county revenues. And you think this is all ok, so long as a few dozen kids get some water gun play or an after school movie and folks attend a meetings controlled by a community organizer purporting to 'involve the public' in decisions that are ultimately to be made by elected officials (who won't hold town halls or public hearings), or the folks involved are 'good people'. Do you not see that the private organization is steered by people some of whom are also on the public payroll ? Or are those on the public payroll being steered by the private organization? Unbelievable.
Just who's driving the bus? The voters and taxpayers or special private interests? How do you know? Did you elect Elk Konnected, LLC to do your business in county government. Or did you elect people who were expected to be responsive to the voters & taxpayers at large? How's that all working out for the future growth of Elk County?
Snookered? Maybe just a bit.
I'm a bit more simple minded than Patriot and was about to post something similar when his flashed up there on the screen. That was very well written patriot, I wish I could do as well.
So anyway folks please bear with my simple minded post coming up next.
Maybe if you would tell us why you think the county is being driven by a private entity, we would be more inclined to listen. Give us some varifiable facts.
Quote from: Sarge on July 12, 2011, 06:49:41 AM
It was in Longton, nobody was hurt.
I also heard it continued in Elk City and that three people were involved and were picked up in Independence.
You know I was reading in the paper about people wanting to fight the post office for wanting to close the post office in Elk Falls. I sure admire their desire to fight the closing of their post office but they are going up against Goliath and need to find the biblical David.
When we seem to have lost our local governments to special interests e.g. County Government, state representatives how can we even hope to take on Goliath? Is their support readily available for local problems? Probably not.
Then I read about the complaints against the Governor for protecting the Tall Grass country of Kansas. I don't understand, I mean the company building our wind farm is giving us a lollipop that it appears some people wnat to control the spending of. And maybe a couple of jobs amy come of it. But nobody seems to care about the bigger picture that governments and special interests use to push, you know, they use to talk about the bigger picture all the time.They don't talk about the bigger picture anymore.
The bigger picture as I see it, is that taxpayer dollars are being used to subsidize the building the windfarms, they are allowed tax breaks, the company building the Elk County wind farm is owned by a company from Italy, it will probably cause an increase in our electric bills, and the majority of hundreds of millions of dollars of profits will probably end up in a bank in Italy, our tax dollars included. Just think about it. If they can just pay our county $1m a year when not required to by law, what is their gain and what are we selling out to?
Sure the attitude exists, "If we don't do it someone else will." But does that make it right? We are simply selling ourselves out so a few greedy people can make more money. It's just my humble opinion. Don't give it anoother thought.
The indication in the newspaper was that the Governor is in the back pocket of a special interest group, really?
Is that something new int his country?
Is it possible that we have the samething happpening here at home, in our own back yard?
If we do and we ignore it what do you think we deserve?
We tend to see lollipops and ignore why, and ignore how they come about.
If someone walked up to you on the street and handed you a check for $100 and said here this is for you, no strings attached. Would you accept with no questions asked? It would be a nice lollipop wouldn't it?
But after you had spent the money and then weeks later got your monthly bank statement and found the check was written on your own account would it then be such a great lollipop?
I'm just playing with some thoughts, idea's, opinions. Doing a little brainstorming, won't you join in?
I just ask keep it simple, so I can follow along.
On a really large scale this is what I think happened with the financial industry and the mortgage industry and now we are all paying for it. Yes, i guilty too!!! But I am trying to change.
How can we take on giants when we cannot take care at home? And this is everyone's business that lives, pays taxes, votes in Elk County? It's each persons responsibility to ask questions.
Maggie Thatcher years ago diagnosed the terminal ailment of socialists. "They always run out of other people's money." Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
The Economic Development Council has existed for years, to try to attract economic development to Elk County. The problem is, no one really wants economic development in Elk County. The comment I used to hear was, if economic development came to Elk County, it would attract "that kind of person"...What kind? The taxpaying kind? The kind with kids? The kind that might move in and stay longer than one or two years? There are those who believe that agri-tourism is the way to go...And I just laugh when I hear that. Agri-tourism only goes so far...REAL economic development, on the level needed to rejuvenate Elk County, would have to be on the level of attracting a meat packing plant. There are four main crops in Elk County...Welfare, kids, cattle and rock. Martin Marietta has the corner on the rock market...The school system is dealing with the kids...Welfare is taking care of those who can't manage on their own...So that leave cattle. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I've heard the arguments about the lack of potable water. The main fact remains, you've got cattle everywhere you look down there...There needs to be some development in that area in order for there to be real economic advancement in Elk County. Agri-tourism dollars are a drop in the bucket, compared to what you could be reaping through the cattle avenue.
Quote from: Wilma on July 12, 2011, 08:20:44 AM
Maybe if you would tell us why you think the county is being driven by a private entity, we would be more inclined to listen. Give us some facts.
Wilma, Wilma, Wilma... bless your heart. The last 200 pages of this thread contain loads of what you seek. Just read past the personal attacks and distractions.
And it's verifiable not varifiable. :)
Quote from: Wilma on July 12, 2011, 08:20:44 AM
Maybe if you would tell us why you think the county is being driven by a private entity, we would be more inclined to listen. Give us some varifiable facts.
I'm sorry Wilma please go back and read the previous 207 pages for the answer. The questions have been asked and unanswered, the situations explained time and a again. Please!
Quote from Catwoman:
Martin Marietta has the corner on the rock market.
That was when you lived in Elk County, maybe ? The Martin Marietta quarry is in Greenwood county. Not nit picking---just trying to keep you informed.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 12, 2011, 08:25:24 AM
The Economic Development Council has existed for years, to try to attract economic development to Elk County. The problem is, no one really wants economic development in Elk County.
Catwoman,
Thank you for opening a sane discussion! And while I may disagree on some of your points, you make a great one in the beginning. It's really all about attitude! And it's attitude, more than anything else, that can stifle or promote growth. Doing nice things for our kids and cleaning up the ditches are nice & welcome. But attitudes must change before a shrinking county can be revived. Attitudes about how government is run, about how tax money is spent, about 'those people', and attitudes about ourselves. Elk County is down in some respects, but never out, IMO. If we can refresh attitudes about 'growth' we might just recover. Maybe not this week, but recover we can. And it has to be bigger than petty community kerfuffles. I'm no cattle guru, but why not a sale barn in our county? Why not a slaughter facility, why not some of the things you mention, and why not some agro-tourism? If it attracts new people, voluntary spending in the local economy and provides some local jobs... why not? Wouldn't that be real economic growth?
Good observations Catwoman. Thanks.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 12, 2011, 08:25:24 AM
The Economic Development Council has existed for years, to try to attract economic development to Elk County. The problem is, no one really wants economic development in Elk County. The comment I used to hear was, if economic development came to Elk County, it would attract "that kind of person"...What kind? The taxpaying kind? The kind with kids? The kind that might move in and stay longer than one or two years? There are those who believe that agri-tourism is the way to go...And I just laugh when I hear that. Agri-tourism only goes so far...REAL economic development, on the level needed to rejuvenate Elk County, would have to be on the level of attracting a meat packing plant. There are four main crops in Elk County...Welfare, kids, cattle and rock. Martin Marietta has the corner on the rock market...The school system is dealing with the kids...Welfare is taking care of those who can't manage on their own...So that leave cattle. Yeah, yeah, yeah...I've heard the arguments about the lack of potable water. The main fact remains, you've got cattle everywhere you look down there...There needs to be some development in that area in order for there to be real economic advancement in Elk County. Agri-tourism dollars are a drop in the bucket, compared to what you could be reaping through the cattle avenue.
Damn you made sense! Agritourism, ROTFLMAO. OOOOOk Not something i would spend my hard earned money on! IF i am going on vacation, you can bet i'm going to go where theres a hell of a lot more than grass, cows and windfarm turbines! Shoot, when i think of vacation that means, mountains, hills, rapids, woods, rock climbing, fine dining, (which means you actually spend decent money on some fine italian or greek or even russian foods), Maybe a day at the dog track, fishing (And i mean real fishing). Sorry but there isn't a real river around here that i have found that could qualify. GIve me a river like the white river over in Arkansas. Deep, colder than a witchs tit and loaded with every kind of fish you can shake a stick at. Hog hunting, now you can load up on meat for your freezer doing that! Plus it can get exciting.
THe meat packing plant seems like a no brainer for a industry here. Go figure. Why ship your cows out west to fatten and send to packing plant. THeres enough beef in this area to support a slaughterhouse! Heck, this area would actually make a nice place for a technology company if they could get the qualiified people. THat would take a lot of planning and steering the young into that field and preparing them through education but long term goals are what keep a county growing.
Your comment attract what kind of people? You mean the outsiders who will come in and bring new money into the county, bring new taxes, kids, education, intellegence, and yeah some might be snooty and snotty, but i love the snooty and snotty especially as i am depositing their money into my bank account! I double the price for snooty and snotty!
I don't know anything about this guy, I just stumbled on him.
And I thought I'd share something he said simply because I like it.
By Wesley Pruden
What we've got is war—a war between the taxpayers and the tax-eaters. The tax-eaters can't understand why the taxpayers won't shovel out the swag, salute as usual, and shut up.
It goes well with, Maggie Thatcher years ago diagnosed the terminal ailment of socialists. "They always run out of other people's money."
Maybe you guys should read the previous pages. The questions that you ask have been answered. Have you been skipping posts?
Quote from: Wilma on July 12, 2011, 10:20:13 AM
Maybe you guys should read the previous pages. The questions that you ask have been answered. Have you been skipping posts?
Wilma. Wilma, Wilma,
We are not asking about the volunteers/followers and I think everyone understands that.
Please read the following questions and then please quote where they have been answered, if you can do that.
Thank you. No smoke and mirrors please.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
I still don't understand why you think anybody "steers" the steering committee. Why aren't they the top? If you have that list, don't you have it all? Why do you think there is anyone else?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 12, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
I still don't understand why you think anybody "steers" the steering committee. Why aren't they the top? If you have that list, don't you have it all? Why do you think there is anyone else?
They are simply volunteers/followers nothing more from what I have read.
Smoke and mirrors that's why.
They claim nobody owns it or are registered members.
I don't even know if Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC are one and the same?
So that brings up another question does Elk Konnected, LLC that uses Mr. Fishes name only for the purpose of having a name on the paper (so we have been told in a previous posts) make a profit with the large number of users of it's fitness center? Is it a non-profit? I think, it was indicated that it was not in earlier posts but who knows? If the fitness center is non-profit who benefits from the income it makes?
Did you like that quote in my earlier post? Oh, here it is again.
By Wesley Pruden
What we've got is war—a war between the taxpayers and the tax-eaters. The tax-eaters can't understand why the taxpayers won't shovel out the swag, salute as usual,
and shut up.
It goes well with, Maggie Thatcher years ago diagnosed the terminal ailment of socialists. "They always run out of other people's money."
What happened to sodbuster with all the Education and Sophistication of a Californian with connections of a family involved in Elk County with all the answers?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are their admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
What are their real goals?
How do they plan to meet their goals?
So sodbuster everyone want's to know what you know, please enlighten us.
I'm still not understanding. If there is a steering committee, and I thought that's what I read LONG ago, then they would be the closest to "leaders" that there are. Why do you still think differently? As far as the fitness center, I would think the money they make would go right back into rent, utilities, repairs and cleaning, paper, bathroom supplies, etc. Where else would it go unless they have a paid formal exercise leader to hold organized scheduled exercise classes. Someone from the forum who goes could answer that. Perhaps like the swimmercise program at the pool?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 12, 2011, 01:24:27 PM
I'm still not understanding. If there is a steering committee, and I thought that's what I read LONG ago, then they would be the closest to "leaders" that there are. Why do you still think differently? As far as the fitness center, I would think the money they make would go right back into rent, utilities, repairs and cleaning, paper, bathroom supplies, etc. Where else would it go unless they have a paid formal exercise leader to hold organized scheduled exercise classes. Someone from the forum who goes could answer that. Perhaps like the swimmercise program at the pool?
I can't give anybetter of an explanation Diane, if you can not understand what I said, I'm soryy that's the best I can do?
No organization runs on volunteers/followers alone, or they would not need to be an organization.
Check out all the real organizations in the world, do a google on any of them asn see how rhey are organized. And let me know if you see smoke and mirrors>
Ross,
There are very sizable organizations in this world that operate without any formal leadership, or with nominal leadership that flows from one person to another as needed, based solely on the consensus of those being led.
A rather pertinent example would be the Society of Friends, commonly referred to as the Quaker religion.
Quote from: jarhead on July 12, 2011, 08:39:55 AM
Quote from Catwoman:
Martin Marietta has the corner on the rock market.
That was when you lived in Elk County, maybe ? The Martin Marietta quarry is in Greenwood county. Not nit picking---just trying to keep you informed.
Jarhead,
I'm not trying to pick a fight, or imply anything about you or your character. But the last I knew, the working face of the quarry whose main entrance is on 400 east of Severy was in Elk County. Maybe they have moved back north a little and are in GW county again, but the area that has been quarried straddles the GW/EK line. Take a look at N 37.60747 W 96.17427 on Google Earth or try my favorite mapping site at http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.4695049,-96.263112&z=15
Charlie
For Ross. Here is just a teaser for you. I too like the new tone of the thread :angel::
http://web.archive.org/web/20090219231844/http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=661a2b4700b8a25372a5821429a7989c;www
Being organized under the Kansas Corporation Code as a Limited Liability Company infers at least one 'owner' who desires to operate a business while protecting his/her personal assets from liability in the event the company is sued or subject to other actions by creditors. Why form an LLC if there are no potential personal liabilities to someone frome business operations? Who is that someone?
LLCs also allow for the distribution of profits among admitted members in the percentages & manner detailed in the company's Organizational Agreement. Pass-through taxation is another benefit of LLCs as profits are passed to admitted members according to their percentage of ownership as personal income. The LLC itself, is not a taxable entity, unless it so chooses under the IRS Code. That condition does not confer non=profit status to the LLC. That designation requires approval by the IRS under section 501(c)(3) of the tac code.
The bottom line, however is that there is likely an owner or owners somewhere as specified in the LLCs Organizational Agreement. If someone could post a copy of the EK, LLC Organizational Agreement showing otherwise, that might be helpful. Of course, were the group not taking tax monies, utilizing government resources, attempting to act as advisers to government, nor so gallantly promoted & supported by some government officials, none of this would be an issue. But that's not the case.
So, who are the owners (admitted members) that desire personal liability protection behind the veil of an LLC?
Quote from: flintauqua on July 12, 2011, 01:46:03 PM
Ross,
There are very sizable organizations in this world that operate without any formal leadership, or with nominal leadership that flows from one person to another as needed, based solely on the consensus of those being led.
A rather pertinent example would be the Society of Friends, commonly referred to as the Quaker religion.
Give me a break. Elk Konnected is a religous order now?
Quote from: Ross on July 12, 2011, 03:56:21 PM
Give me a break. Elk Konnected is a religous order now?
Ross, as so predictably usual, you decide to mis-construe what I posted in the most twisted way you could. I am so shocked! :P
Quote from: flintauqua on July 12, 2011, 04:04:08 PM
Ross, as so predictably usual, you decide to mis-construe what I posted in the most twisted way you could. I am so shocked! :P
I see the point as being that the two organizations, their intent and operations bear nothing in common.
Quote from: flintauqua on July 12, 2011, 04:04:08 PM
Ross, as so predictably usual, you decide to mis-construe what I posted in the most twisted way you could. I am so shocked! :P
It was a stupid post for a supposed educated person. Your goof!
an ya kent acuse me of that. i ain't edumacated, my dog ain't even papered.
But weuns aren't stoopid.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 12, 2011, 11:52:57 AM
I still don't understand why you think anybody "steers" the steering committee. Why aren't they the top? If you have that list, don't you have it all? Why do you think there is anyone else?
Diane -
Ross has chosen not to talk with the people mentioned and share that information on the forum. He keeps insisting that only when they answer HIS chosen method of communication will he accept the information.
Have you ever watched the movie
Lost Horizon? There's a song in there: Question me an answer, with these lyrics:
Question me an answer bright and clear.
I will answer with a question clear and bright.
Even though your answer may be wrong my question will be right.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Diane -
Ross has chosen not to talk with the people mentioned and share that information on the forum. He keeps insisting that only when they answer HIS chosen method of communication will he accept the information.
Have you ever watched the movie Lost Horizon? There's a song in there: Question me an answer, with these lyrics:
Question me an answer bright and clear.
I will answer with a question clear and bright.
Even though your answer may be wrong my question will be right.
Well thank you mom for speaking for me, very good job.
The song is good. Doesn't that say B.S. is B.S.?
So lets keep dancing, what do you say?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Cat -
He missed it. ;D ;D ;D
Back to the ORIGINAL TOPIC....
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
Thank you Ross and Patriot!!!
Well, I'm not going to miss it...In the least.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 05:10:48 PM
Cat -
He missed it. ;D ;D ;D
You missed it.
These are the questions you have no answers for:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Call the county aprraisor, and ask for the classification of the Health Fitness Center, and the owner on deed. If it is someone other than Elk Konnected LLC, then it may be an NP classification (Not for Profit). If it is, someone would have to have filed an exemption order with the state. Or, I can in my spare time!???????
Depending on the classification, would depict whether they are exempt from taxes or not.
Anyone can file an LLC, Ross. Especially if it is a business....that would be a smart move for the liability aspect.
As far as the head of the Elk Konnected LLC is concerned, I would believe that is a mute point. The ball is already rolling, and it is seeping into possibly the local government and/or creating a diverse county...not a unified one (as in we all work together, but not as a unified government).
I think that is the concern we might need to focus on: not what happened in 2009, rather as to, was the Elk Konnected (Not LLC) misrepresented, 'smoke and mirrors' per quote, or just abused within the powers it was given.
imo ready
There are people who wish it really was a "mute"point. Sorry, but that's funny. If moot isn't what you meant then you made a great pun. (running to hide behind a door)
Jarhead,
I'm not trying to pick a fight, or imply anything about you or your character. But the last I knew, the working face of the quarry whose main entrance is on 400 east of Severy was in Elk County. Maybe they have moved back north a little and are in GW county again, but the area that has been quarried straddles the GW/EK line. Take a look at N 37.60747 W 96.17427 on Google Earth or try my favorite mapping site at http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.4695049,-96.263112&z=15
Charlie
Charles, I stand corrected because the biggest part of the quarry is in Elk county, but the office is in Greenwood--so, I was a little bit right. Trust me, this aint the first time I have been wrong---and won't be the last----------------------Damn, it hurts to say that because I know ol Sarge is gonna run away with it !!!
Quote"mute"point. Sorry, but that's funny.
Diane: I just got my mistake/pun.. I meant to say moot.
Although I do love your sharp observances from so far away. ;D
Honest, it was just meant in fun. ;)
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Diane -
Ross has chosen not to talk with the people mentioned and share that information on the forum. He keeps insisting that only when they answer HIS chosen method of communication will he accept the information.
Have you ever watched the movie Lost Horizon? There's a song in there: Question me an answer, with these lyrics:
Question me an answer bright and clear.
I will answer with a question clear and bright.
Even though your answer may be wrong my question will be right.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Even though your answer may be wrong my question will be right.
My question will be right. Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Ross has chosen not to talk with the people mentioned and share that information on the forum.
On the contrary. I am asking almost on a daily basis for them to talk with all of us. See the bottom of this post. We all know they are watching.
My posts would probably be refered to as rumor or second hand information or and at best lies if I did what you suggest.
I would prefer they come out of hiding and share their own thoughts with everyone. Which makes perfectly good sense to me.
And everyone could join the conversation. See conversation definition below.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
He keeps insisting that only when they answer HIS chosen method of communication will he accept the information.
I do believe Elk Konnected has stated that they intended to use the internet to it's fullest. My questions still remain the same. Why won't they have a conversation, and on going conversation, a short conversation any kind of convesation? The so called Community Conversations are anything but conversations held in a very controlled and manipulated manner with circles of chairs and instructions on who you can sit with and what you can discuss. That is not conducive to an actual conversation. They should find a new name and leave out the word conversation or change the format to allow real conversations. IMHO.
Definition of CONVERSATION:
(1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or groups
Definition of INFORMAL
1: marked by the absence of formality or ceremony <an informal meeting>
2: characteristic of or appropriate to ordinary, casual, or familiar use <informal clothes>
However, if you want a rumor. I heard one a rumor that one of our county commissioners said they use to be on the Elk County Forum but is no longer wanted here. And I would definitly like to dispute that rumor. I'd like to see each and everyone of them on this Elk County Forum. How's that? Do you still prefer second hand or third hand information? Don't you understand that information passed on that way can easily get twisted unintentionally simply because a word gets left out or accidently changed or used wrong?
So my questions remain:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Mr. Ross, why do you think "they" are watching? Who do you mean, the volunteers ,the steering committee or the "owner" or what ever you are calling it/him/her ? You said you aren't interested in the volunteers or the programs themselves. Have you filed any charges or have any provable evidence of legal wrong doing? Is this just a difference of opinion on how things are done? I really am trying to understand your viewpoint but I keep coming back to legality VS politics VS some grudge against Liz Hendricks. If EK and then EK LLC had good legal advice, then chances are everything is on the up and up, even if a few of you are soured on it. Perhaps they were advised to ignore you, because you have never said what you plan to do with the information you think you don't have. It doesn't mean anything is illegal or wrong. It doesn't mean they are "hiding". I know you are very sensitive about how taxes are spent. Do you feel you should ask questions and demand an accounting of how all tax money is spent to be sure none is "wasted?"
Diane, I know that you know this, but an accounting of the county's expenditures is done every year by an outside firm. By outside firm, I mean one that is not based in Elk County and has no connection to Elk County. They also advise on budget matters if they feel it is needed. Now, before someone asks why an outside firm should be advising on the budget, the outside firm also does accountings for other counties and have an idea of where more money is needed and where possibly less money is needed. And remember, I said advise. They don't tell Elk County how to manage the budget, they just make suggestions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
Mr. Ross, why do you think "they" are watching? Who do you mean, the volunteers ,the steering committee or the "owner" or what ever you are calling it/him/her ? You said you aren't interested in the volunteers or the programs themselves. Have you filed any charges or have any provable evidence of legal wrong doing? Is this just a difference of opinion on how things are done? I really am trying to understand your viewpoint but I keep coming back to legality VS politics VS some grudge against Liz Hendricks. If EK and then EK LLC had good legal advice, then chances are everything is on the up and up, even if a few of you are soured on it. Perhaps they were advised to ignore you, because you have never said what you plan to do with the information you think you don't have. It doesn't mean anything is illegal or wrong. It doesn't mean they are "hiding". I know you are very sensitive about how taxes are spent. Do you feel you should ask questions and demand an accounting of how all tax money is spent to be sure none is "wasted?"
That has been explained. But perhaps for the same reason you are you watching. I have even been told all my posts are being printed and that their might be a lawsuit. Lord only knows why anyone would want to sue me, I have no money.
Quote from: Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg168213#msg168213 date=1310590727
I really am trying to understand your viewpoint but I keep coming back to legality VS politics VS some grudge against Liz Hendricks.
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I don't believe you are trying to understand anything. I beginning to believe you are just here to stir the pot. And by that I am talking of the words that you introduce into the mix, the other day it sounded as if you were advocating violence and today grudge. Keep stiring and have fun.
I wish to make it
absolutly clear I abhor violence and I have never carried a grudge, never. I have had people do me wrong but I do not carry a grudge against them. I simply will not allow them in a position to do me wrong again, they will simply never have my trust again. That is not a grudge, simply protecting myself from future wrong doing. Grudge : a strong lasting feeling of resentment toward someone for a real or imagined wrong. Resentment: a feeling of angry displeasure at something regarded as a wrong, insult, or injury. I have no resentment either, just questions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg168213#msg168213 date=1310590727
Who do you mean, the volunteers ,the steering committee or the "owner" or what ever you are calling it/him/her ? You said you aren't interested in the volunteers or the programs themselves.
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You need to go back to the beginning and start all over. It is all in the thread and I am not going to play this game with you. Sorry. Have fun re-reading.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
Have you filed any charges or have any provable evidence of legal wrong doing? Is this just a difference of opinion on how things are done?
.
Stir that pot.
I don't believe I have made any accusations of wrong doing, I am simply asking questions of an organizations that implies it represents me. It implies that it represents everyone in Elk County. Do you nderstand that? Try real hard.
I have also questioned the relationship between our elected officials and the organization. Pretty simple, right? Simply asking questions, understand? Not making acusations at all.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
If EK and then EK LLC had good legal advice, then chances are everything is on the up and up, even if a few of you are soured on it. Perhaps they were advised to ignore you, because you have never said what you plan to do with the information you think you don't have. It doesn't mean anything is illegal or wrong. It doesn't mean they are "hiding". I know you are very sensitive about how taxes are spent. Do you feel you should ask questions and demand an taccounting of how all tax money is spent to be sure none is "wasted?"
Where do you get this crap? Is someone advising you on what to say? What do you know of Elk Konnected that you are not telling?
Just because you don't live here doesn't mean someone can't be feeding you stuff? Open up and be truthfull?
I'm sorry to be truthful but your whole post stinks, it smells of someone else and this is not the first time this has happened on this thread. No I am not parinoid, the backhanded threats I have recieved on this thread haven't stopped me from asking and neither will this line of B.S.
Elk Konnected claims to be a community organization and that all of Elk County is their community.
They dragged us into this situation by putting us in their community, don't you see?
They express a desire to communicate with its community and here we are asking them to communicate.
If they are a legitimate organization why don't they have transparency?
Why won't they talk with the community about the organization?
Why won't the owners, registered members talk with us.
Who would advise them not to talk with the community they claim to represent?
This is an open forum and I have every right to ask questions and express my opinion to my friends.
You say you don't understand this thread and yet you know exactly what Elk Konnected is, has or will do.
Just how is that?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 12, 2011, 04:46:58 PM
Question me an answer bright and clear.
I will answer with a question clear and bright.
Even though your answer may be wrong my question will be right.
See what I mean? Our answers are always wrong. ;)
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 13, 2011, 05:44:09 PM
See what I mean? Our answers are always wrong. ;)
Good quote, you are so right. Congratulations.
"Trust me, said the spider to the fly"
Another quote that reeks of 'good ole boy' politics!
QuoteWhy won't they talk with the community about the organization?
That is the main question I wish to be answered. Not what they claimed to have done, but how is the organization intertwined with local politics, if it is .
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 13, 2011, 06:01:54 PM
"Trust me, said the spider to the fly"
Another quote that reeks of 'good ole boy' politics!
Can we gat an Amen and Hallelujah on that?
My fish haven't learned to walk. I just pulled 6 ten pounders out that were dead.
And still more heat coming.
Mr. Ross you can't possibly be serious. I can evaluate posts just as you can and I've known about EK since they were formed some 4 years ago. I think for myself .Who would be "feeding" me anything and for what reason? I may not live right there but you are the relative new comer on here and I know who I can trust and who I can't. Put your hackles back down and take your anger somewhere else. Stir the pot? Me? Not hardly. I'm not the one posting the same phrases over and over again ad nauseam. If you feel so strongly about it, I'll say no more. Look for your violence somewhere else. Are you now the victim?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
Quote from: Ross on July 13, 2011, 06:08:39 PM
I just pulled 6 ten pounders out that were dead.
Now, that is just plain sad. I hope it rains soon, so you don't have to keep doing that. What is a pond/lake/river/creek without fish? And I'm not trying to be funny. It is sad when something like this happens and our wildlife die because of the lack of water. Are fish considered wildlife?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
Mr. Ross you can't possibly be serious. I can evaluate posts just as you can and I've known about EK since they were formed some 4 years ago. I think for myself .Who would be "feeding" me anything and for what reason? I may not live right there but you are the relative new comer on here and I know who I can trust and who I can't. Put your hackles back down and take your anger somewhere else. Stir the pot? Me? Not hardly. I'm not the one posting the same phrases over and over again ad nauseam. If you feel so strongly about it, I'll say no more. Look for your violence somewhere else. Are you now the victim?
Diane, Diane
You can do anything your little heart desires I am not standing in your way.
Just don't ask me to rehash everything.
You may follow Elk Konnected but you do not live in their shadow.
IMHO,
You are exactly what Elk Konnected wants, a
follower.
Don't you get it, they don't want any more registered members or owners.
Followers/volunteers have no real say in the organization therefore it doesn't matter where you live.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
I may not live right there but you are the relative new comer on here and I know who I can trust and who I can't.
You are so right I am a relative new comer on this forum, and you are right again I do live here. I pay taxes here and
this organization wants to from perspetive wants to contro how those taxes are spent by my elected officials. That makes them a concern of mine and everyone else that lives and pays taxes in this county.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
I'm not the one posting the same phrases over and over again ad nauseam.
You are not required to read the same phrases over and over again ad nauseam so don't read them. Then you have nothing to complain about.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 09:58:36 PM
Are you now the victim?
No Diane I am not the victim, and I don't want to see any victims. I will settle for conversations and discussions. Even heated conversations and discussions. But no violence, no victims please.
Keep on keeping on. And remember atitude is everything. Even if you don't agree with my attitude, that's okay.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on July 13, 2011, 10:57:29 PM
Now, that is just plain sad. I hope it rains soon, so you don't have to keep doing that. What is a pond/lake/river/creek without fish? And I'm not trying to be funny. It is sad when something like this happens and our wildlife die because of the lack of water. Are fish considered wildlife?
It is such a tranquil thing to go down to the pond and feed the fish and watch them swim around and feed. I'll miss that. But only for a while.
I put my subpump in the pond and trying to stir it up and get some oxygen in there until I have time to net the fish out and clean and freeze them. To much going on to do that right now. I expect the pond to be dry in about thirty days if there is no rain. I have already seen very dry ponds around the county. I fear cattle men may soon have to haul water to their cattle and that would be expensive.
What's terrible is I let kids fish my pond and now there won't be anything to fish. It's fun to watch a kid pull a good sized fish out of the pond. I once had a boy out here from the city where his yard is smaller than my living room. The simle on his face catching an eight pound catfish was glowing. we e-mailed pictures to his parents in the Phoenix. A thrill of a lifetime for all concerned. I remember fishing ponds as a kid in Montgomery county as long as I treated the farmers property with respect the farmers allowed me to fish their ponds. And I alwys did show respect for the farmers.
But back to the issue of this thread:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Diane sure does favor Elk Konnected along with its efforts and methods.
Liberals don't like it, however socialism is anti-American.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 14, 2011, 06:33:20 AM
Diane sure does favor Elk Konnected along with its efforts and methods.
Liberals don't like it, however socialism is anti-American. g
Red,
I tend to agree with you.
However, I think this thing is more of a social thing than a political one.
But there is no real line, it is al blurry......
What I see is a political action committe parading as supposed social organization.
What I see is an organization using people and tax dollars trying to create a powerful name for themselves and we don't know who
they are.
I would just like to see the owners or registered members clarify the purpose of the organization.
Are they trying to represent me to the County Commissioners?
Are they trying to represent everyone in Elk County to the County Commissioners?
Or is it the County Commissioners using Elk konnected to avoid us, the taxpayers?????
I'd like to see owners or registered members step up to the plate. Talk with the community of Elk County.
Afterall isn't the Elk Konnected Community just imagination, just words? They don't appear to have any real boundaries or borders they even extend themselves outside of Elk County? How far will they go????
Two of our County Commisiioners act almost like cheerleaders for the organization during County Commissioners Meeetings.
To me that is just plain inappropriate unless they want to tell us who the owners, registered members are. Don't you agree?
I am just looking for answers.
As I am sure many others in the county are.
And none are forthcoming. Why? That's what I am wondering?
If what has been said on this thread upset's the followers why don't their leaders step up to the bat.
If anything that has been mentioned, broached that is wrong why don't they come and tell us about it?
I hope the followers/volunteers can understand what I am saying here!
I have recieved what I consider back handed threats on this thread and I wonder why?
Did I say something wrong? Perhaps the registered members or owners should come right out and say so.
Wouldn't you think that would be the responsible thing for them to do?
I can respect sincere responsible constructive critisim. Boy, now that's a mouthful ain't it?
Just my opinion and my questions for Elk Konnected and yes, even the Elk County Commissioners.
I happen to have a very busy day ahead of me. Ya all be careful if you are out there in the heat and have a good day.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 13, 2011, 02:58:47 PM
...Perhaps they were advised to ignore you, because you have never said what you plan to do with the information you think you don't have. It doesn't mean anything is illegal or wrong....
Diane and others:
Perhaps they were so advised. But after so long, one has to wonder about hidden motives and whether such advice is wise. If the owners are honestly proud of their organization, their accomplishments, and have nothing to hide, why have they not identified themselves & invited open discourse.... here, in the press, in public commission meetings, on their other web presences? Taxpayers have no obligation to explain their reasons in questioning of matters involving government. Those who have the obvious favor of government & make special use of government resources, on the other hand, have an obligation to be receptive to the taxpayers who provide the resources.
This organization purports to organize & represent large groups of private citizens in public issues, takes public monies, uses government resources and has strong verbal & financial supporters and even clear association among elected officials. What should the owners fear by being publicly identified or openly asked about their processes? They (the legal members/owners) have liability protections by virtue of their LLC. The only liabilities they could possibly face would be in the event there were some willful negligence or criminal wrong doing. No one has alleged either. How could public recognition and discussion possibly change that? The only other reason to avoid such open query is the potential embarrassment growing out of some exposed private agenda or method that would be seen by the public as less than honorable or otherwise unacceptable in the court of public opinion.
Let's be clear, were it not for Elk Konnected's close interface & obvious favor with government, receipt of public funds, etc. none of this would be an issue at all. Under the circumstances however, the taxpayers & voters have every right to know with whom their government is sleeping. Call that concept old fashioned if you wish, but not to accept that fact is to implicitly give government more power than government's entitled too. There surely no national security matters involved here. If we've learned nothing else from the Obama experience, we should know that closely held private party associations with government functions/officials
do matter.
In short, if there is nothing to hide, hide from, or be ashamed of, then why hide?
Who owns Elk Konnected, LLC?
Again, what are they specifically doing? It sound as if all they are doing is what other organizations do. You have heard of the Chamber of Commerce, haven't you? The Lions Club? 4-H? American Legion? etc.?
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 10:36:44 AM
Again, what are they specifically doing? It sound as if all they are doing is what other organizations do. You have heard of the Chamber of Commerce, haven't you? The Lions Club? 4-H? American Legion? etc.?
YOu can easily find out who the folks in charge are on those organizations. AND they don't HIDE! They are more than willing to come out and discuss what they do.
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 10:36:44 AM
Again, what are they specifically doing?
That's a great question, Wilma. Let's ask them.... oh, wait, we don't know who
they are.
No problem, we'll just ask, "Who are the admitted members/owners of Elk Konnected, LLC?"...
Almost three months later.... chirp, chirp, chirp.
" I am Spartacus!" ;D
David
ELK LLC is not hiding. They are just choosing to not respond on this media.
Isn't it funny that an ex-private investigator can't find what is readily available? Just have to look in the right places. Try some of the ones that have been mentioned on this thread.
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
ELK LLC is not hiding. They are just choosing to not respond on this media.
Isn't it funny that an ex-private investigator can't find what is readily available? Just have to look in the right places. Try some of the ones that have been mentioned on this thread.
Are you suggesting that the private investigators do something illegal to obtain the information?
Oh, PI's would never outright BREAK the law...They'd just BEND it a little...lol
Quote from: Catwoman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:30 PM
Oh, PI's would never outright BREAK the law...They'd just BEND it a little...lol
No more or less, of course, than teachers, electricians, economic development coordinators, retirees, real estate agents, veterinarians, elected officials, farmers, ranchers, community organizers, husbands, wives, mothers, LBGTs,or any other person.
Of course, PIs are bonded & licensed and monitored by the Attorney General. That actually might make them more keen to stay clear of improprieties.
The problem with PIs is twofold. First, is the grossly erroneous public perception that Jim Rockford and Thomas Magnum reflect reality. Second is the fact that PIs are allowed to legally investigate private personal/business matters (for a fee) which really grates on folks with something to hide.
In reality, PIs may just generally be more adept at putting ugly puzzles together.
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
ELK LLC is not hiding. They are just choosing to not respond on this media.
Or any other open, non-facilitated media, for that matter.
By the way, this forum is a singular medium. Media is a plural form. You're welcome.
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 10:36:44 AM
Again, what are they specifically doing? It sound as if all they are doing is what other organizations do. You have heard of the Chamber of Commerce, haven't you? The Lions Club? 4-H? American Legion? etc.?
Do you even understand what you read. I thought what Patriot wrote clearly explained what is going on with this particular organization.
What part of it did you fail to comprehend?
Perhaps re-reading would help.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 01:15:26 PM
" I am Spartacus!" ;D
David
Now that I have a tendency to believe.
The Saturday cartoon version, right?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
Isn't it funny that an ex-private investigator can't find what is readily available? Just have to look in the right places. Try some of the ones that have been mentioned on this thread.
Pardon me. But do you comprehend what you write. You know the answers are not in this thread, only the questions. You even say Elk Konnected chooses not to respond. And just a second --- I question that remark.
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 01:27:46 PM
ELK LLC is not hiding. They are just choosing to not respond on this media.
How can you even suggest such a thing? By what authority are you making that suggestion?
Are you in communication with the owners or registered members of Elk Konnected?
If not then this is just a fabrication, right? And if this is a fabrication why on earth would you try to cover for someone that you don't know? That just doesn't make sense to me.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 14, 2011, 02:11:30 PM
Oh, PI's would never outright BREAK the law...They'd just BEND it a little...lol
And your worldly experience with PI's other than tv would be?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: Ross on July 14, 2011, 03:28:33 PM
Now that I have a tendency to believe.
The Saturday cartoon version, right?
Ross,
douche touché, you made me smile. I think the cartoon spelled it Spartakus. Being the ornery person that I am; I appreciate a good dig. According to my Mother I got my ornery streak from her side of the family. Speaking of her side of the family; Uncle E.F. I saw you were logged on earlier. Don't deny the ornery or I will tell when you all fed my Uncle Marion a Gaines burger. Now that makes me smile. :)
Ross and Patriot if the answers were copperheads you would have been bitten by now.
David
Quote"Who are the admitted members/owners of Elk Konnected, LLC?"...
Perhaps Ross, the key word in that statement that has gotten nothing but other questions, accusations and whatsayou...is
ADMITTED members/owners.
1. Those that perhaps thought they were members, really aren't as they didn't sign anything, unless you account for the sign-in sheet at that one meeting. that would be an embarrassment in my eyes, and I wouldn't say.
2. Those that think they are members, are doing the work of someone else. And no one will say who is calling the shots to say "Our group, Elk Konnected" is responsible for this: (insert function). that would be in my eyes an iffy situation.
3. Those that are signed up, doing the job and proud of it, then one should not boast of what they did, but what and not a general piece in a paper.
Unfortunately, #3 is skirted with other questions, defensive tactics as well as accusations.
and no, I am not a member and if it such a good organization that is lega, why can't I volunterr?
Too many 'answers' are sitting in a nebuli of thought at this time.
ready
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 05:19:07 PM
Ross, douche touché, you made me smile. I think the cartoon spelled it Spartakus. Being the ornery person that I am; I appreciate a good dig. According to my Mother I got my ornery streak from her side of the family. Speaking of her side of the family; Uncle E.F. I saw you were logged on earlier. Don't deny the ornery or I will tell when you all fed my Uncle Marion a Gaines burger. Now that makes me smile. :)
Ross and Patriot if the answers were copperheads you would have been bitten by now.
David
Aww how sweet! MORE name calling!
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
Robert and\or Jennifer. I admitted to being ornery. I think Patriot and Ross can take it. I and others have told them where to fish for some of their answers, but they refuse to listen to me or others. Now I will be totally serious and give my unsoliciated take on the situation.
Many of the long time members of this forum have supported and donated to Elk Konnected. They know who Elk Konnected and the owners\admitted members are, but out of a respect for privacy choose not to say.
The information of the Elk Konnected,LLC can be gained legally through the Lexis\Nexis research tool used by lawyers, private detectives, law enforcement, skip tracers, and so on and so on.
My unsolicited opinion is that the approach, actions, and wording of those with the questions has pissed many people off and the refuse to speak to Ross, Patriot, et al. We can do this without the Sheriff having to be called if everyone puts their ego's aside. Give it a try. Let bygones be bygones and start over.
The quickest way for Ross and Patriot et al to get their answers is to go to the County meetings with a more subdued attitude.
To quote stupid Dr. Phil I know that is what you have been doing, How's that working for ya?
David
Quoteis to go to the County meetings
you mean the Elk Konnected meetings? When are they?
Or the Comissioners meeting?
Why is no one specific in their answers?
ready
Perhaps Elk Konnected is an organization that went soured? Then I wouldn't admit to it either.
I would understand that.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 14, 2011, 08:13:37 PM
Why is no one specific in their answers?
Mighty fine question, ready.
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 14, 2011, 07:25:22 PM
Aww how sweet! MORE name calling!
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 14, 2011, 07:52:31 PM
Patriot---I was in Howard today so I stopped by the courthouse. I went to the cartographer's office (for us morons that don't know what that is it's the mapmaker or county appraiser's office) and Connie Hey was not there at this time. Merle is on his vacation so Connie is taking care of their business. So I talked to Kenny. Kenny pulled out several maps and said that he is unaware of any existing road owned or maintained by the county, nor was there 20 years ago. He showed me on the maps, the exact point that I was referring to; he said he's been across there many times but as a county appraiser I suppose he would have access to these things. He directed me to the Register of Deeds office upstairs. I went to the Register of Deeds and talked to Neva Walters. She was not familiar with what I was talking about and I wasn't getting across to her so I pointed it out on the map. And lo and behold she knew exactly what I was talking about because apparently several have talked to her. One of which was Wilma. Wilma called up there wanting to know herself. Neva told her that there is NO COUNTY EASEMENT FOR ANY ROADS ACROSS PERKINS' LAND and there has NOT BEEN ANY SINCE 1958. There was in fact easements for electric lines, water lines, etc. She did show me a copy of the Elk County Forum, that was sent from either Wilma or Janet, I don't know which but I can promise you that they were informed that there is NO EASEMENT across there. So any road work that has been ordered and done with county equipment, county personnel and county funds would be unlawful misappropriation of funds. I'm just curious why Janet or Wilma, the two know it all flappity lipped windbags, haven't run to this post to tell me how wrong I am and Fish and many others in the road department are, and how right they are with the nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah bullshit that usually spews out of their mouths. Oh please, tell us why almighty Wilma and Janet, that you have not spoken or are you still searching for your Paxil to lift your moods from your bubbles being burst?---MR. KSHillbilly
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 12, 2011, 05:13:17 PM
Just my opinion of course, but I wouldn't trust my dog with anyone associated with McDermott! For years my mother went to McDermott. In 2009, she was sick, very sick it turns out, but all McDermott could say was, "you need to lose some weight to help with your shortness of breath" or "you have pneumonia." A simple xray showed a lot of fluid in my mothers' lung and when that fluid was removed it was determined she had stage IV ovarian cancer. Not impressed with him at all!! But to each their own! >:( ---Jennifer
Pot calling the kettle black. Only you are much closer to a lawsuit than I am.
David
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 14, 2011, 08:13:37 PM
you mean the Elk Konnected meetings? When are they?
Or the Comissioners meeting?
Why is no one specific in their answers?
ready
Ready I meant County meetings. You could also go to the Elk Konnected meetings. EK,LLC is a privately held corporation in the state of Kansas and has no legal duty to disclose anything to you or anyone on the forum. Your should be with the County Commissioners who actually have a duty to answer your questions.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
EK,LLC is a privately held corporation in the state of Kansas and has no legal duty to disclose anything to you or anyone on the forum.
Or anywhere else for that matter. Unless they so choose. It seems they prefer the one sided propaganda forum offered by a sympathetic press to open dialogue, however. BTW, they are not a corporation or corporate entity. Their status is slightly different. More akin to a registered partnership.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 08:23:06 PM
Your should be with the County Commissioners who actually have a duty to answer your questions.
And if the two wear interchangeable hats?
Quote from: Patriot on July 14, 2011, 08:26:38 PM
Or anywhere else for that matter. Unless they so choose. It seems they prefer the one sided propaganda forum offered by a sympathetic press to open dialogue, however. BTW, they are not a corporation or corporate entity. Their status is slightly different. More akin to a registered partnership.
And if the two wear interchangeable hats?
Patriot I am very familiar with this topic. LLC has properties of a corporation and a partnership.
How's that working for ya?
Your beef is with the County.
Elk Konnected has no duty to talk to you.
You would be better off using honey.
Hell I agree with you there are questions the county should answer and you piss me off. I'm on your side and I find you difficult to talk to.(edited)
David
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
LLC stands for Limited Liability Corporation....
Wrong again, junior. LLC means limited liability company. Need the Kansas statutory citation? Oh, what the heck, you're young... K.S.A 17-7601 et seq.
Quote from: Patriot on July 14, 2011, 08:47:16 PM
Wrong again, junior. LLC means limited liability company. Need the Kansas statutory citation? Oh, what the heck, you're young... K.S.A 17-7601 et seq.
Patriot I noticed my mistake and changed it. You also were wrong.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
...and you piss me off.
David
Two quotes come to mind, young fella...
"Better pissed off than pissed on."
"Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn."
Quote from: Patriot on July 14, 2011, 08:58:16 PM
Two quotes come to mind, young fella...
"Better pissed off than pissed on."
"Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn."
Patriot I like you and agree with you on this topic. You just can't get out of your own way on this thing. In my opinion your and Ross's approach are detrimental to those of us that agree with you that the County has a duty to answer your questions.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
Robert and\or Jennifer. I admitted to being ornery. I think Patriot and Ross can take it. I and others have told them where to fish for some of their answers, but they refuse to listen to me or others. Now I will be totally serious and give my unsoliciated take on the situation.
You sir are an apparent moron and yes I can take a dig from a moron without any ill feeling. I really don't like to talk like that but in your case I make anexception. I'm sorry to have to do that. You only pretend to think you know something. But see you just don't get it. We are not here to fish or play games. Simply asking honest questions which you have no knowledge of the answers. Smoke and mirrors and piss poor ones from you. Go back to your cartoons on tv.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
Many of the long time members of this forum have supported and donated to Elk Konnected. They know who Elk Konnected and the owners\admitted members are, but out of a respect for privacy choose not to say.
You are so full of it. Why would the donors who are so proud to part with their money for such a great cause deny the organizationational leadership they find so great.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
The information of the Elk Konnected,LLC can be gained legally through the Lexis\Nexis research tool used by lawyers, private detectives, law enforcement, skip tracers, and so on and so on.
Did you do a google search to impart such wisdom? Good job David.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
My unsolicited opinion is that the approach, actions, and wording of those with the questions has pissed many people off and the refuse to speak to Ross, Patriot, et al. We can do this without the Sheriff having to be called if everyone puts their ego's aside. Give it a try. Let bygones be bygones and start over.
You, living in California are going to call the Sheriff? Go for it.
What people who are registered members or owners are pissed off? Were you commissioned or asked to speak on their behalf? What are their names?
What bygones???
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 07:56:42 PM
The quickest way for Ross and Patriot et al to get their answers is to go to the County meetings with a more subdued attitude.
To quote stupid Dr. Phil I know that is what you have been doing, How's that working for ya?
David
You are just to much. I wouldn't give Dr. Phil the time of day, so why in the world would I or anyone else quote him? By that in case you fail to understand I am not the least bit impressed by the man. I'd like to suggest that you go back to your tv and watching stupid Dr. Phil. I wouldn't give Dr. Phil the time of day, so why in the world would I or anyone else quote him? I don't recall anyone asking for your advice. Thank you.
If you know as much as you think you do answer the following questions and prove you are not a moron, please.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
What are their real goals?
How do they plan to meet theirgoals?
David---Don't know you; don't ever want to know you. I'm sure the feeling is mutual. But if you passed away tomorrow, I could give a shit less.
Wilma---I'd almost forgot the statement about the bridges that you tried to force into Neva's head. That's funny. If I'm misquoting her, she can call me at any time day or night. Love to hear from her again or even Gene. The road that you state used to go across Eagle Head from Road 5 to Limestone, Neva says that there never was a road there, it was either plotted or closed by the county commissioners, at least 50 years ago, but it made it on the map. Damn, I got a map that shows there's a road directly across from my house, though it's on private property because it was never opened by the City of Longton. It would be 8th street that joins in with Douglas Street. There is no street there; the landowner owns the property. So if the city was to go in there and put rock on private property at the urging of a city council member, then it was questioned by the city street department, who would actually be at fault? The city council member that said to go do it would be because the street department would just be doing what they were told. But I won't put words into your mouth. I'll leave that up to Janet or Liz. Go ahead and spin it your way now though. ---MR. KSHillbilly
P.S. Why hasn't anybody else checked this out?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Patriot I like you and agree with you on this topic. You just can't get out of your own way on this thing. In my opinion your and Ross's approach are detrimental to those of us that agree with you that the County has a duty to answer your questions.
David
Maybe you don't quite grasp the full scope of our efforts here.
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 09:02:29 PM
Patriot I like you and agree with you on this topic. You just can't get out of your own way on this thing. In my opinion your and Ross's approach are detrimental to those of us that agree with you that the County has a duty to answer your questions.
David
Patriot what the hell is this guy smoking out there in California???
Quote from: Ross on July 14, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
Patriot what the hell is this guy smoking out there in California???
Ross and Patriot. I am the only lifelong non-smoker in a family of cigarette smokers. I also, don't smoke pot. Don't you guys see that I have been making you dance like my little puppets on a string for my own amusement? I am Spartacus. I am the answers that you seek and I refer you to your fellow citizens of EK who run Elk Konnected, LLC.
David
Quote from: Ross on July 14, 2011, 09:22:20 PM
Patriot what the hell is this guy smoking out there in California???
It's global warming, Ross. And it's all Bush's fault!
Quote from: Wilma on July 14, 2011, 09:27:47 PM
Excuse me, but I have a 1954 landowner's map that shows a road all the way across Sec. 17 to Killdeer. Killdeer went all the way to Rd. 5 because there were numerous landowners in that area and they had to have access to their property. At that time, Sec. 17 was owned by T. C. Cory, as was a whole lot of other acreage in that area.
What was it that I tried to cram down Neva's throat about bridges?
Wilma.... MrK... Wrong thread!
Dang it.. I need to get to bed.. I can't stay up all night splitting this thread..
PLEASE Wilma...~~~ look a the topic before you post.. Thank you!!!
Quote from: Teresa on July 14, 2011, 09:56:56 PM
Dang it.. I need to get to bed.. I can't stay up all night splitting this thread..
PLEASE Wilma...~~~ look a the topic before you post.. Thank you!!!
Sorry, Teresa. Mother is old, you know.
Sorry, Teresa, but what I posted that you must have moved to the thread where it belonged, was in response to the quote that Sodbuster posted from a post made by Hillbilly. You will find that quote on page 214, reply 2138 in this thread. After reading the quote, I looked for the original in this thread and failed to find it, so assumed that it had been removed. Later, after I had posted, I found it in the Road 7 thread in the Coffee Shop. I do not know how Sodbuster got the quote over to this thread in Politics.
Thank you for finding my post and putting it in the right thread. Now if someone would just tell me how a post in the Coffee Shop section, found it's way to Politics, I might not be so confused.
Quote from: Wilma on July 15, 2011, 08:06:13 AM
...Now if someone would just tell me how a post in the Coffee Shop section, found it's way to Politics, I might not be so confused.
Sodbuster knows all the answers, he said so earlier. He's a magician who performs the impossible.
Seriously, it's a matter of coding & cut n paste.
Well, isn't it nice that someone can find what they look for?
Quote from: Wilma on July 15, 2011, 08:16:40 AM
Well, isn't it nice that someone can find what they look for?
Finding one's backside with both hands is always easier than finding the truth in a room full of backsides, smoke and mirrors.
you know, i'm really not worried about elk konnected or their goals, they can go scratch for all i care. what bothers me is the connection our elected commissioners have with ek and how they allow that connection to influence the governing of our county.
Quote from: Varmit on July 15, 2011, 08:49:09 AM
you know, i'm really not worried about elk konnected or their goals, they can go scratch for all i care. what bothers me is the connection our elected commissioners have with ek and how they allow that connection to influence the governing of our county.
And THAT is the issue. How do these two bodies connect & interact? Thanks for being one of the few who 'get it', Varmit.
Quote from: Varmit on July 15, 2011, 08:49:09 AM
you know, i'm really not worried about elk konnected or their goals, they can go scratch for all i care. what bothers me is the connection our elected commissioners have with ek and how they allow that connection to influence the governing of our county.
Well, varmit just for your information, I believe they have two followers on the Wext Elk School Board. And if you read the magazine Kansas Country Living provided by Caney Valley Electric Co. Page 22 July issue article by Liz Hendricks you might find it interesting.
This article did list her as Elk County Commissioner. I do question her throwing our County Government behind any article connected with Elk Konnected or Public Squares Communities, LLC ??? I believe she should determine for herself what she wants to be -- Elk Konnected or Public Squares Communities, LLC or Elk County Commissioner. When she puts her title as Elk County Commissioner on any thing that is not Elk County Government she is in effect saying we all support her in that endeavor. Which is totally not true, therefore misrepreseting each and every one of us. Don't you think?
The article has in Green large letters and I quote:
"If you fail the first time, get back on your horse and ride smarter the next time."The article is about Fort Scott who is ssociated with Public Squares Communities, LLC but actually it points out what I fell is the real attitude of the public squares type of attitude and I feel that means ignore the citizens. IMHO
To me that means and simply translates to, if the citizens of the actual community don't go along with what public squares community want's simply get a new game plan and keep hammering the true citizens of the actual community until they fold their hand and lay down their cards.. Keep hammering untill the citizens give up and quit. That's what I got from the article. That's my opinion of the article. What good really comes of it, except for bragging rights for the perpetrators to say they won and more taxes for the citizens. You can try to help me understand this but I don't believe there is a more logical explanation.
They say keep trying so are you ready for another School Bond Election for $5.0 million istead of $5.5 million.
or how about that other idea:
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Who steers the steering committee?
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Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What are your real goals?
How do you plan to meet your goals?
Quote from: sodbuster on July 14, 2011, 09:34:47 PM
Ross and Patriot. I am the only lifelong non-smoker in a family of cigarette smokers. I also, don't smoke pot. Don't you guys see that I have been making you dance like my little puppets on a string for my own amusement? I am Spartacus. I am the answers that you seek and I refer you to your fellow citizens of EK who run Elk Konnected, LLC.
David
If you're not smokin you must be snortin.
All the sidetracks and still haven't tripped on one solid answer.
Why did EK rely on the county to get a grant for the summer day camp project again this year?. For something like 3 years the have relied on the county to do their grant work.
Quote from: Patriot on July 15, 2011, 10:16:47 PM
All the sidetracks and still haven't tripped on one solid answer.
Why did EK rely on the county to get a grant for the summer day camp project again this year?. For something like 3 years the have relied on the county to do their grant work.
It's near impossible to tell the difference between Elk County Commissioners and Elk Konnected in my opinion.
One County Commissioner is listed on various web sites as being founding member and on thnd they have all those secret survey's Elk Konnected Steering Committee and another act's like a cheer leader during County Commissioners meetings. Our hired hand the Elk County Economic Development Employee is on the Elk Konnected Steering Committee. But no one know's who the registered or admitted members sre or who owns Elk Konnected, how is that?
And Elk Konnected has all those secret donations from 60 people for $50 each and many more later. And Elk Konnected has 140 secret survey's and nobdy has heard of anyone that ever got one. Secrets, secrets, Why????
If this is an organization that wants to make Elk County a better place to live why act like a predator keeping every thing secret and controlling l? Why?
Marmots have developed a social structure that provides lookouts who watch for predators and sound a warning when one appears. Prairie dogs dig their burrows with multiple entrances and exits so if a predator comes in one door, the dogs can leave through another.
The difference between humans and other animals is that, unlike any other animal (as far as we know), we can and do consciously respond or alter our response to a stimulus.
Lollipops are stimulus.
To deal with the complexity, human society has become, to a large extent, an economic one. That is, the connections between unrelated people is often based on distribution of resources
Lollipops are resources. (related people connect more through personal attachment).
I don't tell anybody when I donate to something.......why should anybody have to pronounce " Oo Oo Ross..it was me... I donated to EK" ?
Do you tell everybody who or what you donate to??? Oh my bad stupid question....knowing your love for openness you probably take out an ad in the paper everytime you give a bum a dollar.....
and no....it wasnt me.....I dont live there.....but I bet a lot of GOOD people did...the same way they donate to ANY of their causes...they just did it and didnt feel the need to inform the general public.
FYI.......I check every few days just to see if this is still goin and if you've actually made any progress out of what can only be morbid curiosity.... :P
Actually, it says in the Bible to "let not your right hand know what your left hand has done"...My grandfather used to say that if you do something charitable, and then go blowing your own horn about it, then you have no need of Heaven because you've already received your reward here on Earth. I happen to agree with him...And you, Mrs. C! And by the way...There's been no progress made in these over 200 pages of this...But keep on checking. :P
yep Cat...thats the same way I learned :)
progress???? we dont need no steeenking PROGRESS!!! LOLOL
I'm sorry you ladies can't see beyond your noses.
These appear to be people that are involved in our government and they keep everything seceret?
How would you ike to have a state or federal gocernment that is all secret?
And then one day wake up to find they more than own you?
Watch Jerry Lewis Telethion and see how many names they read off.
Go to the rodeo and see how many names they announce.
Why do they do that? Read off all those names???
Because people like recognition for their donations.
Why do Governments, busisness and organizations give out trophies, awards, monetary prizes etc????
People like recognition for what they do, that's why. Especially if they are proud of their doings?
Oh, I could understand one or two people maybe not wanting recognition, but not 60 or I believe they said they got another 70 some more donations and I can't believe all of those would chose to be secret.
If you believe otherwise I have ocean front property right here in Kansas for sale at a premium price.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 18, 2011, 08:31:12 AM
yep Cat...thats the same way I learned :)
progress???? we dont need no steeenking PROGRESS!!! LOLOL
And I don't believe
any private organization will provide that for you. Perhaps for themselves, but not for you or anyone outside of the organization.
Mr. Ross, it is a well known fact that there are those who have a deep-seated need to seek attention...And then there are those who have no need of that and do the right thing anyway, quietly, knowing it was the right thing to do. I can tell which side of the fence you fall on! lol ;) ;D
QuoteI'm sorry you ladies can't see beyond your noses.
These appear to be people that are involved in our government and they keep everything seceret?
How would you ike to have a state or federal gocernment that is all secret?
And then one day wake up to find they more than own you?
Uh .....since when has the government EVER been an open book? That boat sailed about ten minutes after the United States of America came into existence.
QuoteWatch Jerry Lewis Telethion and see how many names they read off.
Go to the rodeo and see how many names they announce.
Why do they do that? Read off all those names???
Because people like recognition for their donations.
because SOME people like to get slapped on the back and told what a good person they are for doing it....kinda lame if you ask me...but then I was raised just to do it and not worry about who knew about it.
QuoteIf you believe otherwise I have ocean front property right here in Kansas for sale at a premium price.
No thanks....I've owned several places in Kansas......still do own one.....but I like my hills and privacy better.
You have a nice day there on your beach now y'hear?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 18, 2011, 08:44:18 AM
Mr. Ross, it is a well known fact that there are those who have a deep-seated need to seek attention...And then there are those who have no need of that and do the right thing anyway, quietly, knowing it was the right thing to do. I can tell which side of the fence you fall on! lol ;) ;D
If you had any smarts you would open your eye's and ears and not be so closed minded.
Then you might find reality.:
And as far as:
Quote from: Catwoman on July 18, 2011, 08:44:18 AM
Mr. Ross, it is a well known fact that there are those who have a deep-seated need to seek attention...
I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.
I guess that is why you have been here on the forum much, much longer than I have?
Since June 12, 2008 so please share some with me, I'm a newbie here so please don't be stingy.
Think about it please.
By the way do you know who the owners or admitted members are?
Not the followers or volunters.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 18, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
Uh .....since when has the government EVER been an open book? That boat sailed about ten minutes after the United States of America came into existence.
People have been calling for transparency in government. Haven't you heard? And it is happening.
Honesty, that's another thing.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 18, 2011, 08:56:07 AM
because SOME people like to get slapped on the back and told what a good person they are for doing it....kinda lame if you ask me...but then I was raised just to do it and not worry about who knew about it.
I guess you have never heard of human nature????
Also, I bet you have never turned down that slap on the back called a pay raise !!!!
That would be lame to accept that right?
A pay raise for doing a good job????
And yes, it's all about recognition.
Did anyone notice the very short story er paragraph in last weeks paper about the summer day camp???
When the lines between privately held business and government become so blurred that you can't tell where one begins and the other ends... you have a problem. When the players on both sides of those lines are one in the same, you risk tyranny and have lost liberty for those citizens who are outside the special interest influence. 'Go along to get along' takes on a whole new mening... and not a good one. It isn't the manipulation of public policy by private special interests that made America a great nation. In fact, quite the opposite is true.
Things like this go on in Washington or Topeka and folks go nuts. People post to forums like this one, quoting nationally recognized authors, citing the Constitution or Declaration of Independence, threatening to tar & feather politicians and 'throw the bums out', attending marches & carrying signs, and writing scathing letters to the editor. Yet when it happens in their own back yard, they find humor in it. Couldn't happen here, so n so would never misdeal.
Yes, some even choose to cite the Bible out of context to defend their folly. (See Mat 6:1-4, Ref. Strong's G1654, regarding 'alms)...
Quote from: Catwoman on July 18, 2011, 08:27:38 AM
Actually, it says in the Bible to "let not your right hand know what your left hand has done"
OK, try this one on for size...
Rom 1:29-32
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate,
deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters,
inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection,
implacable, unmerciful:
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. Quote from: Catwoman on July 18, 2011, 08:27:38 AM
And by the way...There's been no progress made in these over 200 pages of this...
I wouldn't so heavily count on that.
So, who really wears the hats that run the cows?
Good Christians everyone?
Poor at understanding politics?
Standing behind what they do not know?
Lord forgive them and lead them to the religious threads.
Amen.
This is just an observation.......government corruption is government corruption....no matter where it is.
Contrary to the opinion of the two Amigos on here ( those being Ross and Patriot) and their faithful sidekick aka cheerleader Red, I am against government corruption AND intrusion into my business.
However, I am not subscribing to YOUR little pet agenda any more than I do to Ek or anybody elses. Which is probably why I am so popular amongst the religious and political nuts I know.
I pop off at people I find pompous and aggravating.........always have always will :D so yall have a nice day lookin under rocks for the 1000 time figurin to find somethin that most likely never was there......but hey....everybody needs a hobby.
I am beginning to believe that the number of days exceeding 100 degrees we have had in Sedgwick County must be coming from the excessive hot air being emitted down there by the PatRoss contingent...LOL.... ;) ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 18, 2011, 10:03:46 AM
I am beginning to believe that the number of days exceeding 100 degrees we have had in Sedgwick County must be coming from the excessive hot air being emitted down there by the PatRoss contingent...LOL.... ;) ;D
whisperering
backbiting
without understanding
implacable
Take your pick.
Now, Pat...Don't be so hard on Ross and yourself...You two aren't really all that bad, you know... ;) ;D
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on July 18, 2011, 10:01:38 AM
This is just an observation.......government corruption is government corruption....no matter where it is.
Contrary to the opinion of the two Amigos on here ( those being Ross and Patriot) and their faithful sidekick aka cheerleader Red, I am against government corruption AND intrusion into my business.
However, I am not subscribing to YOUR little pet agenda any more than I do to Ek or anybody elses. Which is probably why I am so popular amongst the religious and political nuts I know.
I pop off at people I find pompous and aggravating.........always have always will :D so yall have a nice day lookin under rocks for the 1000 time figurin to find somethin that most likely never was there......but hey....everybody needs a hobby.
And I guess your hobby are putting people down and bitchin?
Oh and supporting that which you don't know. Right?
Have fun with that!
I just had to drag this over here from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12233.msg168715.html
Quote from: flintauqua on July 18, 2011, 11:38:19 AM
Why is a method that is used extensively to seek consensus about the future direction of a company or organization so scary to certain individuals?
http://www.rand.org/international_programs/pardee/pubs/futures_method/delphi.html
"Many factors discourage effective due diligence, from people's psychological tendency to misestimate novel risks to political and institutional pressures that favor short-term results. Long-term policy analysis, however, can help overcome these barriers by identifying these key actions, communicating their importance to diverse audiences, and suggesting the policies and incentives needed to encourage these actions and sustain them over time."
Quote from: flintauqua on July 18, 2011, 11:38:19 AM
Why is a method that is used extensively to seek consensus about the future direction of a company or organization so scary to certain individuals?
It's how Your concensus is developed. But I do believe our county works on votes and you can't get them so you use your concensus of the very few volunteers that you can get. CONSENSUS - Definition of consensus: Middle ground in decision making, between total assent and total disagreement. But disagreement of any kind is disallowed, right? Where is the sheriff???
Quote from: Ross on July 18, 2011, 11:48:26 AM
In my opinion you can manipulate all the people you want, just keep out of local government and school boards or come out and be truthful about what yoou are doing it or both. Thanks for telling the people you belive in manipulation of the ignorant by putting them in circles of chairs and telling them how to think, what to think, and who to think with. Good job flintauqua, I couldn't have said it better. In fact I have been trying to enlighten the folk and so have others. Perhaps they will listen to your words. Again I say, "Good Job".
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But then you are not an admitted member of Elk Konnected are you?
You don't even know who the admitted members are, do you, or who the people are that own Elk Konnected?
Oh, how many of you went out and supported the Howard Fair or are going to support the Longton Fair? I seen alot of nice people out entering items in the fair!! I was the one with sweat running down my back the whole fair, watch the kids show their animals and such!! It was a good time had by all!! Hot time, but still lots of fun!! Now, August 5-6 is the Longton fair, hope to see many of the same people out there!!
Oh, don't really know what Ross or Patriot looks like, but just wondering did you take in the sight?? I volunteered at the fair, does that make me bad? Probably so, since volunteering doesn't seem to interest any one of you!!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Good point, Angie!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 18, 2011, 02:02:05 PM
I volunteered at the fair, does that make me bad? Probably so, since volunteering doesn't seem to interest any one of you!!
Did Elk Konnected approve?
How dumb can you be to make such foolish remarks?
I'd volunteer also if I had a kid in 4-h or whatever.
In the meantime I will volunteer with my support of spending money at the fair.
How's that?
Volunteering can take on many aspects.
Did you volunteer with the West Elk Baseball team? Me neither.
Quote from: mayflower on July 18, 2011, 02:06:20 PM
;D ;D ;D ;D
Good point, Angie!
See note bottom left hand corner.
Elk Konnect isn't part of the fair association, don't you know that!! Most people know that each fair has an association of members that make the fair run like it should. It takes all people and many volunteers, even people that don't have kids in 4-H. I know lots of people that help that don't have kids in 4-H. Steve Fielder does an amazing job with poultry and the rabbits and he has grandchildren, not in Elk county, in 4-H. Lots of others that help to make both Longton and Howard fairs run so smoothly!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 18, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
Elk Konnect isn't part of the fair association, don't you know that!! Most people know that each fair has an association of members that make the fair run like it should. It takes all people and many volunteers, even people that don't have kids in 4-H. I know lots of people that help that don't have kids in 4-H. Steve Fielder does an amazing job with poultry and the rabbits and he has grandchildren, not in Elk county, in 4-H. Lots of others that help to make both Longton and Howard fairs run so smoothly!!
Right over your head.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 18, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
Lots of others that help to make both Longton and Howard fairs run so smoothly!!
Questions of public funding are supposed to be political. We elect people, in no small part, because of the economic priorities they set and their ability to enact them.
So you are saying that Elk Konnected have now infiltrated the 4-H Fairs, and the county fairs?
Ohhh Mmmmmm Geeeeee!
Proof? or just suspicion/trying to stir it up a bit? I will have to say that the 4-H is an honered club, just like the armed forces clubs, and they are very one for all and all for one. They will not come to the commissioners for money, unless they are asking for that money (which is actually set aside for a purpose) the 4-H is governed by the State.
I thought you may have had something with the comissioners and the other inproprieties....but Ross...
this is out of my realm of even thinking logical. (and I do have a logical, yet imaginative mind...albeit different)
I have to disagree with you on that personal nature.
ready
Quote from readyaimduck:
I will have to say that the 4-H is an honered club, just like the armed forces clubs
Armed Forces Club ? Now you are talking about something I know something about. Fort DeRussy---Waikiki Beach, Honolulu---1969----beer ,21 cents a bottle------------------------guess that's about all I remember about that !!! :)
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 18, 2011, 08:00:53 PM
So you are saying that Elk Konnected have now infiltrated the 4-H Fairs, and the county fairs?
Ohhh Mmmmmm Geeeeee!
Proof? or just suspicion/trying to stir it up a bit? I will have to say that the 4-H is an honered club, just like the armed forces clubs, and they are very one for all and all for one. They will not come to the commissioners for money, unless they are asking for that money (which is actually set aside for a purpose) the 4-H is governed by the State.
I thought you may have had something with the comissioners and the other inproprieties....but Ross...
this is out of my realm of even thinking logical. (and I do have a logical, yet imaginative mind...albeit different)
I have to disagree with you on that personal nature.
ready
No, no Ready. The point was they are not and the fairs work great. But acording thier list they would change that:
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
What is wrong with a centrally located Elk County Fair as the official fair of the county? Centrally located means somewhere east of Moline, west of Elk Falls and south of Howard. One official county fair and the towns can keep their annual fairs if they want, but the official prizes for the purpose of going on to the state fair would be the ones awarded at the official fair of the county. I don't see it happening until Longton and Howard can agree on it. The area of the rodeo grounds would be ideal. Of course, new buildings would have to be built with new pens, etc., but the rodeo arena is already there.
I just had to bring this over from:
Topic: Ross' kind of Control and Manipulation
At http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12235.20.html
Quote from: flintauqua on July 18, 2011, 12:35:57 PM
Interesting - The Tea Partiers have their own playbook on how to hi-jack open forums like town-hall meetings. Could the fact that these tactics are twarted by using the type of meeting Elk Konnected has used be the reason Ross and Patriot and others are so pissed off about things like the Delphi Technique and processes that lead to decisions made by consensus, and not decisions made by the tyranny of the most vocal.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/documents/2009/08/memo-details-co-ordinated-anti-reform-harrassment-strategy.php?page=1
Quote from: Ross on July 19, 2011, 07:47:24 AM
Why thank you Flintauqua I really appreciate the fact that you recognize that the organization does not actually have Community Conversations or Town Hall Meeting that is so gracious of you. It totally establishes the fact that they are a totally controlled meeting. With the circle of chairs, kindergarten colored stars on name tags, not permitted to sit with your loved ones or close friends (because you can not be trusted), and only permitted to talk about what you are told to talk about. My guess is there is a facilitator in each circle to insure all orders are followed to a "T". Isn't that right?
Sir, (and I use the term loosely) I did not attend a meeting to disrupt it. It was billed in big bold letters in the newspaper as a Community Conversation and since you pointed out that it was not, I feel I was mislead. However, when I asked the man the man from Wichita County that was facilitating our Elk County meeting to talk with him, that is to have a conversation he said, "outside" and pointed his finger indicating outside. When I asked him, "Why not in front of the community he lifted his microphone to his mouth and softly said, "Where is the sheriff". At that point I simply said, "I thought this was a Community Conversation", and I started walking towards the exit. I did not create any kind of a ruckus. I met the sheriff's deputies when I had nearly reached the exit. The deputies were very well behaved and conducted themselves as gentlemen. So anyway, why was the man from Wichita County afraid of having a conversation in front of the community? What really bothers them about having a real Conversation? You appear to be the expert on Elk Konnected so please enlighten all of us?
So it appears to me there are a couple of rules I didn't know about. So as the Elk Konnected expert I need you to clarify them for me please?
All citizens must agree with Elk Konnected on all points and sit in their circle of chairs or they are considered trouble makers and the sheriff's deputies will be called, is that right? I ask you as the expert on Elk Konnected?
Is "Freedom of Speech" not allowed at the so called Community Conversations be another rule of the organization? Again, I ask you as the expert on Elk Konnected?
Are you an owner or admitted member of Elk Konnected? This is a very important question, would you please answer it and the other questions above if you have the intellect to do so?
Thank You.
P. S. You confuse me and the situation by continually changing threads, would you please help out an old man and stay on one thread, please? Unless of course that is your intent.
I'm going to carry this over to the Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
What is wrong Longton having their own Longton Free Fair?
Have you heard the World, the US and each state is having a financial crisis?
When unemployment is at record highs, unemployment benefits and sxhool funds and all sorts of other funding is being cut!
Do you really think it is a good time to be spending money hand over fist to build new buildings.
Especially money you don't have.
We even shut down a perfectly good school building to put our kids in portable buildings.
Don't tell me the building was not repairable or why would the city of Moline want it?
Repairs and maintenance are far cheaper than building a new one.
Besides read the following:
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 18, 2011, 04:06:18 PM
Elk Konnect isn't part of the fair association, don't you know that!! Most people know that each fair has an association of members that make the fair run like it should. It takes all people and many volunteers, even people that don't have kids in 4-H. I know lots of people that help that don't have kids in 4-H. Steve Fielder does an amazing job with poultry and the rabbits and he has grandchildren, not in Elk county, in 4-H. Lots of others that help to make both Longton and Howard fairs run so smoothly!!
Just my personal opinion.. ( which don't amount to squat or siccum) is I think we need to have one biog annual fair Elk County Fair and have it at Longton.. They have better facilities I think..
So there.. LOL :)
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 07:42:40 AM
What is wrong with a centrally located Elk County Fair as the official fair of the county? Centrally located means somewhere east of Moline, west of Elk Falls and south of Howard. One official county fair and the towns can keep their annual fairs if they want, but the official prizes for the purpose of going on to the state fair would be the ones awarded at the official fair of the county. I don't see it happening until Longton and Howard can agree on it. The area of the rodeo grounds would be ideal. Of course, new buildings would have to be built with new pens, etc., but the rodeo arena is already there.
The reason most of Georgia doesn't have county fairs anymore is this very reason. They killed all the fairs in the counties, by centralizing.
What will happen is this, IF its approved the fair will go to the city that hs the most money. In this case howard would be the location. Secondly it will be open for the first two or three years to all business's and such to participate in, that is UNTIL it becomes a success. THEN what will happen is they will draw the vendor crowd that goes from fair to fair in rv's. WHen this happens, THe fair committee will exclude local vendors for the out of town vendors. The reason? They can get more money. INSTEAD of renting a space for 30-50 bucks their getting 500 -2000 a spot depending on location. SO EVEN IF the locals could get a space their going to be screwed in the cost.
I've seen i happen so many times i can't keep track. Even the parking will be contentious. I remember the Jaycees in the town i used to live in tried to sue the churches for renting their church parking spacesout. They lost. So the Jaycees set up a elaborate plan to stop traffic from even getting near the churchs. THey would route them to only the jaycee parking areas. Til the churchs started sending out members to direct the traffic tot heir spots. Then it started getting rediculous. The jaycees of which many are police officers started harrassing the church members. You see theres big bucks in fair parking too especially when you get 200,000 people attending fairs.
YEah ross is right. This is no time to be wasting money on a fair. IF its private money then fine go for it, if its taxpyer money... its not a necessity.
Quote from: Teresa on July 19, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
Just my personal opinion.. ( which don't amount to squat or siccum) is I think we need to have one biog annual fair Elk County Fair and have it at Longton.. They have better facilities I think..
So there.. LOL :)
I don't think any of the fairs represent everyone. WHere are the rifle ranges?? Wheres the swat team range that we can go through and clear buildings!
Quote from: Teresa on July 19, 2011, 08:49:54 AM
Just my personal opinion.. ( which don't amount to squat or siccum) is I think we need to have one biog annual fair Elk County Fair and have it at Longton.. They have better facilities I think..
So there.. LOL :)
But first, we've got to get Longton to stop subsidizing the private company, Elk Konnecd, LLC.
Longton City Council Meeting
Approved Minutes
March 8, 2011
J.Corle made a motion to donate $200 to Elk Konnect to help offset their expenses to get accredited. M.Ashenfelter seconded. Carried 4-0.City taxpayers paying for EK's little 'certificate of authenticity' with the private company Public Square Communities, LLC? Are you kidding? How was
that for the kids? Does Elk Konnected do
anything without ultimately sucking from the taxpayer teat (money/labor/other resources)? Aren't there better things to spend scarce tax money on?
Agenda? No, there's no agenda. Other than maybe to see how much we can pull off on the taxpayer's dime. A private company getting taxpayer money to get 'accredited' by another private company. And both companies less than 6 or 7 years old? Give me a break. Varmit is right... it's shady. But at least their hiding in plain sight. 8)
Why does this matter? Well, beyond good, responsible governance and common sense... as Mr. Clinton once said, "It's about the economy, stupid!".
I just want to state that no way is Elk Konnect associated with 4-H. That was so far off base. Second, I don't know about not having the two fairs. Not sure how that would go. I do know that the Howard fair was a success and talked to some Longton people last night and the girls are taking their items to the fair in Longton. The fair association raises their own money, as far as I know. I just mentioned all of this to show you that volunteers are not followers, they are leaders of their own mind and decisions. I decide where and who I want to volunteer my time and also my money. I have a small business and get hit up all the time for donations, but I don't brag or require my name to be put on any item. That is just how they recognize the donors that helped make the event possible. So, what if I did give $1,000.00 to Elk Konnected, don't I have the right as a citizen to give donations?
If the "great depression" didn't stop most county fairs around the country, why now? People need that mental break and need to have fun, especially when times are bad.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
If the "great depression" didn't stop most county fairs around the country, why now? People need that mental break and need to have fun, especially when times are bad.
because in 1920's we were n agricultural society. Today were not. Back then county fairs were a necessity. Today in the information age, the fairs have gone to events like comdex if thats still around or lisa events. THere are some ag events but they cater around main citys. Too expensive for the counties to put on. AND its not a necessity to justify taxpayer money to be spent. IF its held by private organization or the local people want to put it on, then by all means do so. Every fair that i have seen that is a success is not govt funded. IT is privately funded.
Patriot, your post about the Longton City Council is just another example of government people giving away government money.
And it was with a 4 to 0 vote by their council members to hand over the city money to Elk Konnected.
It's that kind of anti-American attitude that's spread across the USA.
Well, whether you feel it is neccessary or not, it has taught my children alot of things. I have 2 that are in 4-H and they exhibit in the 4-H part and the open class. I have taught them to sew and cook, and the one is in her second year in quilting. Plus they have both taken beef projects this year. One had a heifer and other a bucket calf. It has taught them that they have responsibilties to feed and water their animals, plus they learn the different things to feed them and the different types of beef and parts of the beef. They have chickens, too, but we kept them at home this year cause of the heat. We didn't want to lose them. The fair also gives them a fun way to see their friends and meet new ones. Yes, you could say all kinds of things like can't you teach them without the fair. Yes, I can and do, it also teaches them that they can't always win and good sportsmanship. There are so much that 4-H has taught my girls and me (in the past was a 11 year member of Lucky 13 4-H club from Severy). My girls are learning parlimentary procedure, leadership, volunteering, public speaking, and so much more!! With out the fair their would be no way for them to show off their skills and find out how they are doing!!
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."... a paraphrase of the last sentence of the Eulogy delivered by Governor Morris (of New York ) at Jefferson's Funeral: "The greatest collection of Logical Minds in the history of the World was when Jefferson lay dying alone in his Room."
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes, a principle which if acted on, would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be deprived the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."... a paraphrase of the last sentence of the Eulogy delivered by Governor Morris (of New York ) at Jefferson's Funeral: "The greatest collection of Logical Minds in the history of the World was when Jefferson lay dying alone in his Room."
When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe .
Thomas Jefferson
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson
It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes, a principle which if acted on, would save one-half the wars of the world.
Thomas Jefferson
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
Thomas Jefferson
My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government.
Thomas Jefferson
No free man shall ever be deprived the use of arms.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
I'm with you Angie. I loved my years in 4-H....it's a good thing for kids .....and even when I wasnt in 4-H we went to the county fair every year and lot of times had entries in the open classes. I STILL go to the different county fairs down here.
May not be an agricultural society anymore Steve but we sure as hell OUGHT to be.
The Fair Association always put on the fair......not the government.
Ross, Thomas Jefferson was intelligent enough that he knew even as he was helping to create it that ANY government is given to corruption and would never remain true to the ideals behind it.
Thats why I laugh everytime I hear people talking about "Oh we have to change who we vote for and get the government back in the right hands". There ARE no "RIGHT" hands. The politicians we have to choose from in this time are all career politicians...they arent in it to make the country a better place for ANYbody....it is the way they MAKE THEIR MONEY....WE pay them to screw shit up.
The only thing on earth I agree with Red about is the fact that POLITICS was never supposed to be a career...it was supposed to be a calling and something they did IN ADDITION to their day job. You can NOT have honesty in government when MONEY POWER and PRESTIGE is what drives the machine.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 19, 2011, 10:57:20 AM
Patriot, your post about the Longton City Council is just another example of government people giving away government money.
And it was with a 4 to 0 vote by their council members to hand over the city money to Elk Konnected.
It's that kind of anti-American attitude that's spread across the USA.
Well folks, I'm all for kids and baseball and my kid plays for the Longton Baseball Association and I give credit to his coach for all his hard work. He's even done a great job with teaching good sportmanship. Kudos to him.
However?????
Remember at an Elk County Commissioners meeting there was a request by the Longton Baseball Association for $500 which happens every year I am told by all the teams. Well, County Commissioner Hendricks said let's give them $1000, and it was approved. Just something to think about. I don't know if it means anything or not.
Quote from: Ross on July 19, 2011, 11:38:53 AM
However?????
Remember at an Elk County Commissioners meeting there was a request by the Longton Baseball Association for $500 which happens every year I am told by all the teams. Well, County Commissioner Hendricks said let's give them $1000, and it was approved. Just something to think about. I don't know if it means anything or not.
Neither does the fact the president of the LBA is on the EK steering committee. One hand washing the other? Surely not in Elk County! I was given to understand that the LBA overspent on their renovation project which is why they wanted the money. Maybe the taxpayers will soon begin subsidizing other groups of citizens when they overspend on their pet projects.
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Karl Marx, 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.
So go join in.You might have some good ideas to share.Try being the warm sun instead of the cold wind. Surely you are not just a chronic complainer. I don't see how a person on the ball committee and EK would be a conflict. The commissioners voted on the money.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
So go join in.You might have some good ideas to share.Try being the warm sun instead of the cold wind. Surely you are not just a chronic complainer.
Yep. Here's an idea... with the rising cost of consumer goods, the government could have purchased considerable stockpiles of toilet paper, hand soap, paper towels, vacuum bags/floor wax, window caulk, weather stripping, mower blades, teabags, coffee & coffee filters for county facilities. Thereby avoiding smaller purchases at increased future costs. We used to call that prudent planning & responsibly keeping the public trust.
I realize such action might have required a budget override motion of some form & a vote. The problem would be? But if there aren't already people bright enough in county government to figure all that out, then maybe the first purchase should be a government overhaul. If additional savings could be realized by such a decision, I would volunteer to make the haul from Sam's (or a supply wholesaler) in Wichita or Bartlesville at my expense (and even bring back their receipt). Now, what are you going to contribute? I got it... framing nails... as many as you can get in a USPS One Price box & you pay the postage.
And, though you may not realize it yet, I am being warm sun.... I'm warming up significant numbers of taxpayers & voters to things about which they've been largely left out in the dark & cold. Since meeting agendas aren't published in advance in the paper, most folks can't attend a Monday mid-day meeting, and the minutes are usually a weak representation of meeting details, folks should hear the rest of the story somewhere. No? :D
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Karl Marx, 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.
To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical. Thomas Jefferson
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
I don't see how a person on the ball committee and EK would be a conflict. The commissioners voted on the money.
Conflict between those two positions, no. County commissioner (reported EK founder) pushing tax money to & at at behest of a group presided over by an EK steering person? Appearance of impropriety? I'm thinking so.
Got Principles? But Diane, we do agree on one thing....
you don't see.
In a county as small as this one, a lot of positions have to overlap. Not because there are not enough people to do the jobs, but because there are not enough people willing to do the jobs for no pay. Not enough people that have the time to do the jobs and not enough people that just simply have the abilities that are needed to the jobs. I am thankful for the ones that do even though it means that sometimes they have to take on more than their share.
You keep talking about these "private businesses". Just how much profit have these "private businesses" shown since their inception?
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
In a county as small as this one, a lot of positions have to overlap. Not because there are not enough people to do the jobs, but because there are not enough people willing to do the jobs for no pay. Not enough people that have the time to do the jobs and not enough people that just simply have the abilities that are needed to the jobs. I am thankful for the ones that do even though it means that sometimes they have to take on more than their share.
What the heck does that have to do with he price of tacos in California?
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
You keep talking about these "private businesses". Just how much profit have these "private businesses" shown since their inception?
Apparently not enough to keep them from munching down at the public trough. Maybe they should shut down or reorganize under bankruptcy law if they can't make it on their own merit instead of taxpayer handouts. Oh sorry, I forgot your new Amerikan Order......
From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs. Karl Marx, 1875 Critique of the Gotha Program.
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 02:42:59 PM
In a county as small as this one, a lot of positions have to overlap. Not because there are not enough people to do the jobs, but because there are not enough people willing to do the jobs for no pay. Not enough people that have the time to do the jobs and not enough people that just simply have the abilities that are needed to the jobs. I am thankful for the ones that do even though it means that sometimes they have to take on more than their share.
You keep talking about these "private businesses". Just how much profit have these "private businesses" shown since their inception?
Wrong! County Commissioner is not required to be associated with other organizations. It'a matter of
priorities and
principles and
ethics and
choices. Very simple leadership decisions. Don't you think? And County Commissioners
are paid.
You don't see the sheriff being the County Commissioner and the fire marshall and the director of the county health department and the Moline Constable do you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 09:28:32 AM
If the "great depression" didn't stop most county fairs around the country, why now? People need that mental break and need to have fun, especially when times are bad.
I don't believe there is any need to change the way our fairs are run at this time.
I think it would be simply ridiculous to try to build a new centralized fair grounds and new buildings or anything else during these economic times. The county should run with a very tight purse string until the worst of the world financial crisis is over. If they ever do get money from the windfarm it should not be spent on any big idea's. I don't believe anyone has given any thought yo yhe cost of maintenance and upkeep of all those new suggested buildings in their want list. Heck apparently maintenance and upkeep and repairs to the school in Moline was to costly. What do they think the cost of maintenance and upkeep of a brand new school would be? It would have been considerably cheaper to keep the one they had.
And the suggestion of building new fair grounds at the rodeo ground, what's with that? Oh, that's where the high school was originally suppose to have been built, right? Where was that high school built --- 1/2 mile outside of Howard?
There is an awful lot to consider especially during these trying times.
As usual, Patriot had to take a personal jab at me. Couldn't stay objective for even that short of a time? I see a lot!
Are you sure they don't already go out to bid? No Kansas state bidding process? Are they limited by law on how much they can stockpile? Even we (Aetna) have a state bid for things and save a lot of money. Happens to be Staples has the bid for a lot we use and we save quite a bit. Also several electricians and plumbers, a couple of electrical supply houses,etc. We can also bid on state surplus. My Al is our company purchasing agent and really knows how to save money. Suggest it to them, not me and don't insult their intelligence in the process! That's rude and would make you look less of a decent person than you really are. IMHO
Why do you need framing nails? Those one rate boxes do have a weight limit you know. I don't know how being a commisioner has anything to do with the other positions you mentioned. What comparison were you trying to make? Check out Cornell CA see how it is there. ;D One person many positions.
I don't think that county jobs overlap. But county employees do take on volunteer jobs where they are needed. Holding another paying job does not preclude anyone from becoming a county commissioner. Any other position in the courthouse probably does not leave enough time to hold a second job, unless it can be done on Friday when the county is shut down. I am not talking about paying jobs. I am talking about the many associations like the Lion's Club, Chamber of Commerce, you get the idea. If county employees could not be members of these organizations, not only would the organization be a loser, but the employees rights would be trampled on. So if a county commissioner is also a member of one or more of these other organizations, what is the harm. And if one of the organizations asks the county for money from a fund that has been set aside for them, why should the commissioner not vote on it? The commissioner is not benefiting personally from this money.
Is ELK LLC a business for profit? If so, what kind of profit are they making? If they are not making a profit, why are they still in business? I think calling this organization a business is stretching it beyond belief.
I thought it was set up as a non profit.No?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 03:37:27 PM
As usual, Patriot had to take a personal jab at me.
See your words next quote...
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Try being the warm sun instead of the cold wind. Surely you are not just a chronic complainer.
With all due respect, your victim status has been well documented on the forum for years. Please quit being such a thin skinned whiner. Since you can dish it out, learn to take it back.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Couldn't stay objective for even that short of a time?
Attention Deficit Disorder is much more clearly demonstrated by others here who can't stay on topic for more than one or two posts at best, and often divert so wildly off course as to be dizzying.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Are you sure they don't already go out to bid? No Kansas state bidding process? Are they limited by law on how much they can stockpile? Even we (Aetna) have a state bid for things and save a lot of money. Happens to be Staples has the bid for a lot we use and we save quite a bit. Also several electricians and plumbers, a couple of electrical supply houses,etc. We can also bid on state surplus.
You really are from back east, aren't you? Here are all these discussions about local government, abuses of resources, questionable management, 'good ole boy' crony operations and you ask about statutory stockpile limits for toilet paper? Please. This is Elk County Kansas, population est. 2200. It isn't Delaware, hell it isn't even close to operating like Sedgwick or Reno counties. At any rate, my comments were primarily about the poor use of funds in the first place, not discount days at Staples.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
My Al is our company purchasing agent and really knows how to save money.
We might consider renting your Al. But the suggestion would first require a couple of professionally facilitated Elk Konnected Kommunity Konversations, a report to the commission, a vote, and matching grant and a loan from Longton Bank for our share of the match, to pay Al's expenses. ???
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Suggest it to them, not me and don't insult their intelligence in the process! That's rude and would make you look less of a decent person than you really are.
Haven't you heard? I'm not a decent person.... In this thread alone, Flintauqua, Wilma, Catwoman, sodbuster, Jefe de Vacation, Sybil (ADP/Arc Fault/PAT_RIOT, et al) have all clearly said so. And since they are 'true Elk Countians', they must know. :)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Why do you need framing nails? Those one rate boxes do have a weight limit you know.
Nevermind, Diane. You missed the point entirely.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
I don't know how being a commisioner has anything to do with the other positions you mentioned. What comparison were you trying to make?
Another point you've clearly missed in the last 200+ pages. Nevermind.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 12:47:56 PM
Check out Cornell CA see how it is there. ;D One person many positions.
Looking more like a Kalifornia Kommunity is really what we need. Then again, maybe we could Konnect with them. ::)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 04:46:22 PM
I thought it was set up as a non profit.No?
Secretary of State Business database record doesn't say so.
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
Is ELK LLC a business for profit? If so, what kind of profit are they making? If they are not making a profit, why are they still in business?
After all the screaming, you start asking unanswered questions not unlike the questions that you have attacked others for asking? Priceless! But please, keep asking. Maybe you can get answers.
As usual Patriot, you have it backwards .Anybody can look all the way back and see how much I was dumped on FIRST. I put up with it since I'm an outsider and finally said "enough already" and started handing it right back, and I even warned you I would. I have always tried to be civil, as I was brought up to be, but I'm no door mat nor do I suffer fools and bullies.
I was not talking about a "discount" at Staples. They won the state bid for office supplies and we are able to take advantage of it also. Whining? Me? I'M NOT ONE RUNNING THE SAME BANNER ACROSS THE PAGE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY!
Nice diverson there. I am not the topic and nobody with any sense is fooled by that. I thought perhaps I could share some things but you are too stubborn to listen to anybody else. So be it. Commies behind every door! Bye,bye.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2011, 06:45:39 PM
As usual Patriot, you have it backwards .Anybody can look all the way back and see how much I was dumped on FIRST. I put up with it since I'm an outsider and finally said "enough already" and started handing it right back, and I even warned you I would. I have always tried to be civil, as I was brought up to be, but I'm no door mat nor do I suffer fools and bullies.
I was not talking about a "discount" at Staples. They won the state bid for office supplies and we are able to take advantage of it also. Whining? Me? I'M NOT ONE RUNNING THE SAME BANNER ACROSS THE PAGE DAY AFTER DAY AFTER DAY!
Nice diverson there. I am not the topic and nobody with any sense is fooled by that. I thought perhaps I could share some things but you are too stubborn to listen to anybody else. So be it. Commies behind every door! Bye,bye.
Buy, bye.
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 04:36:24 PM
Is ELK LLC a business for profit? If so, what kind of profit are they making? If they are not making a profit, why are they still in business? I think calling this organization a business is stretching it beyond belief.
I still want to know are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC are one and the same or two seperate entities???
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
So you don't really know and are unable to find out. Not a good showing for an ex-private investigator that can find dirt on anyone for his clients. If you know how it is set up why can't you find out who the officers are and everything else that you are wanting to know? Doesn't all that have to be filed?
Quote from: Wilma on July 19, 2011, 08:06:00 PM
Doesn't all that have to be filed?
Nope. Hence 'a private company'.
one thing i find interesting is how silent our commissioners remain on this topic. you'd think with as many views this thread has gotten they'd want to set the record straight...then again that would mean actually answering questions without the help of elk konnected. and speaking of the commissioners, whenwas the last time any of them had a meeting with the people in their districts?
I honestly cannot ever recall a meeting called by a county commisioner. :(
Quote from: Varmit on July 19, 2011, 10:06:59 PM
...whenwas the last time any of them had a meeting with the people in their districts?
According to one commissioner's public statement at a commission meeting earlier this year, they don't want to do town hall type settings because they "don't want to listen to the public bitch." ??? ??? ???
Isn't there an open forum type of thing at each regular meeting where anyone has a chance to talk or ask questions? They used to have something like that at Longton or Grenola. Does anyone remember anything like that?
Quote from: Wilma on July 20, 2011, 07:52:11 AM
Isn't there an open forum type of thing at each regular meeting where anyone has a chance to talk or ask questions? They used to have something like that at Longton or Grenola. Does anyone remember anything like that?
If you are referring to the 1-3 hour long county commission meetings held on the 2nd and last Monday of each month at 1 PM when most citizens would be unable to attend as they are likely working to support their families... Yes. It's called the Public Comment period, I think.
Very convenient for commissioners/county employees. Not so much for the voting/taxpaying public.
Night time meetings are not very convenient for the commissioners, either. Taking extra time away from their homes and families when they are already away from home as much as any of the other working people. Also, the regular employees of the county have more county business with the commissioners than citizens. It would make a hardship on the other employees if they had to come back at night to present their business to the commissioners. A telephone call during the day or evening takes much less time than going to a meeting.
Seems to me that one of the past commissioners wanted to have a office in the courthouse where one or more of them could be found any time during open hours. Or just drop in if a citizen wanted to see them. I don't think it worked out. When our commissioners have to continue to work at regular jobs, their time is limited, too. It would be nice if we could afford to pay them a living wage and they could spend all their time on county business. Maybe that is what we could use the wind farm money for.
Quote from Wilma:
It would be nice if we could afford to pay them a living wage and they could spend all their time on county business. Maybe that is what we could use the wind farm money for.
You gotta be shit'n me Wilma---right ?
if not you need to crank that a/c up because this heat is getting to you. ;)
Quote from: Wilma on July 20, 2011, 07:52:11 AM
Isn't there an open forum type of thing at each regular meeting where anyone has a chance to talk or ask questions? They used to have something like that at Longton or Grenola. Does anyone remember anything like that?
I have posted in this thread I have spoke at the County Commissioners meetings concerning Elk Konnected. On one occassion speaking about Elk Konnected asking for taxpayers money.
Commissioner Hendricks spoke up on behalf of Elk Konnected ans said they don't use taxpayers money. Where upon I asked if the person just before me had asked for money and weren't they the Elk Konnected Youth Services. And Commissioner Hendricks replied we do not use taxpayers dollars. Even though Elk Konnected Youth Services had just asked for and recieved taxpayers dollars..
At another County Commissioners meeting I asked why Elk Konnected was getting credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp. After all it was an Elk County Employee working for you and me as taxpayers that applied for and got the grant for the summer day camp. Commissioner Hendricks again sprang to the defense of Elk Konnected asking what difference it makes. And Commissioner Leibeau spoke up almost like a cheerleader for Elk Konnected. Where were the Commissioners? The representatives of all the people?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Wilma on July 20, 2011, 09:29:28 AM
Night time meetings are not very convenient for the commissioners, either. Taking extra time away from their homes and families when they are already away from home as much as any of the other working people. Also, the regular employees of the county have more county business with the commissioners than citizens. It would make a hardship on the other employees if they had to come back at night to present their business to the commissioners. A telephone call during the day or evening takes much less time than going to a meeting...
So let me get this straight... The public and their access to public officials at public meetings by potentially thousands of citizens should take a back seat to the personal convenience of 3 to 6 elected officials (who volunteered for the job, by the way) and 6 or so hours time each month for half a dozen county employees whose pay and benefits are provided by that same taxpaying public.
Balderdash! Remember that "of the people, by the people, and for the people" stuff they used to teach in government schools? Give me a break!
It's that kind of thinking, IMO, that helps feed to the arrogant exercise of power we see in government these days. And what about the Kansas Open Meetings Act you don't understand? Phone call my arse. Back to civics class for you, darlin.
Mrs. C, Lisa, Diane, Wilma, Janet, Flint, Jefe, Ready, Larry and anyone other comparitively sane, moderate, civil individual...The only way to kill this thread...And eliminate all this falteral...Is if we quit posting on this and just go away to enjoy the other boards/threads where these two to three individuals aren't allowed to absolutely dominate in the manner they're been allowed to here. These yahoos keep posting the same thing, over and over and over again. They're just burning rubber off of tires that lost their treads many pages ago.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 20, 2011, 10:45:42 AM
...way to kill this thread...
Yes cat, mirroring your instructions across a number of threads is the best way.....
Speaking of motives and agendas. Yes cat, giving folks your instructions is surely the solution. Try to control their behavior. Tell them not to watch the train wreck while saying that it is they who help perpetuate the carnage that you perceive. Then again, maybe their sane, moderate nature is what keeps them engaged. Maybe not. But I prefer Teresa's general approach: Let individuals be who they are, say what they wish, resisting outside demands to shut up or kill it, and let the chips fall where they may.
What do you really fear? Is it that at some point the factual answers will appear... and will turn out to be a real train wreck? Or that it may be your folly that outside readers are silently judging?
::)
You are so right, Cat.
Lemmings
LMAO Steve! Lemmings=Nature's retards!---MR. KSH
Can't we all just get along?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
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Whoops...I did it again...Being a lemming, helping to create yet more senseless pages on this thread... :o ::) I'll go quietly now... ;D
I went to a meeting tonight and guess what, no one called for the Sheriff.
I don't believe there were any around.
It was an actual Community Conversation.
No circle of chairs.
And no one was saying we have to keep things positive.
No facilitator.
How did that work you may ask?
Just great and there was a lot of good attitude in the room.
Cool, huh?
This is important.
They had a piece of paper at the door for people to sign if they wanted to address the school board.
No one signed it. Amazing, huh?
It was a Community Conversation sponsored by the Elk Valley School Board.
First they introduced the new school superintendent who had a few words to say
which included a bit of his back ground.
Then the School supt. introduced Jeff King who also had a few things to say
about Kansas Education and Legislature.
They handed out paper work to everyone that was there concerning the mill levy they were discussing.
Documentation that's what the paper work was.
It included a piece of paper from the Office of the County Treasurer that explained in detail how a
6 mill levy would affect residential property assessed at $50,000 would be roughly $34.50.
And so on for Agricultural and pasture land.
They also hand out a print out from the Kansas State Department of Education that showed Elk Valley had the second lowest mill levy in Kansas. The page showed roughly 50 other school districts and guess what West Elk wasn't on there.
There was another page that showed the following mill levies"
Elk Valley 34.69
West Elk 49.71
Then after checking their list to se who wanted to address the School board and found no signatures
they had an open session for the public to speak.
It was a real plesant meeting even though I left before the meeting ended,
I knew the people were going to remain civil. And no sheriff around.
Amazing, just amazing. A real Community Conversation.
Good night folks.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 20, 2011, 08:47:18 PM
Why can't we be friends
Why can't we be friends
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I seen ya around for a long long time
I remember when things without you were fine
Whoops...I did it again...Being a lemming, helping to create yet more senseless pages on this thread... :o ::) I'll go quietly now... ;D
No don't go, ya know you're loved here.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Ross on July 20, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
Then after checking their list to se who wanted to address the School board and found no signatures
they had an open session for the public to speak.
It was a real plesant meeting even though I left before the meeting ended,
I knew the people were going to remain civil. And no sheriff around.
Amazing, just amazing. A real Community Conversation.
Outstanding and refreshing. So Elk county citizens can function without being told where and with whom to sit, and can engage in a public dialogue and exchange of information without post-it notes and professional facilitators. Elected officials and average citizens interacting directly on local issues. Fantastic! Thanks for the info.
Quote from: Ross on July 20, 2011, 09:12:29 PM
I went to a meeting tonight and guess what, no one called for the Sheriff.
I'm just guessing that someone just didn't notify that office about that meeting. Just my opinion.
It was a school board meeting. The only reason any deputies should have been there was to listen to what was going on for the future of their children. Even when the collective parents were fighting USD 283 about their choice of teachers over the past year, law enforcement was never called. Didn't need to call them because it was a civil atmosphere and they allowed us all to speak our minds without any confrontations or violence, etc. And they actually listened to what we all had to say. They listened to both sides. But that's just how we roll in good ole Longton, KS.
P.S. We were right about that subject that finally got corrected. I bet we are right on other subjects that Patriot and Ross have brought to light. Just my opinion, with facts....
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 21, 2011, 07:10:38 AM
Wish there was something more we could do to help get more dollars into the local schools!!
Stop wishing. There
is something you can do. You write em a check. I'm sure they will take it.
'Mo Money' isn't
always the answer. However, given the mill levy comparisons, the Elk Valley district may well be an exception. For others, maybe better allocation of what they already get would be a better choice. Re-allocations like less administrative costs (do small school system superintendents really need to be paid six figures + benefits) and better pay to keep quality teachers.... based on performance, perhaps.
Of course, we haven't yet addressed the questions surrounding Elk Konnected LLCs involvement in the West Elk school district. But, not to worry, those questions are coming. We haven't yet gotten any factual answers to all the other questions asked in this thread. First things first. No opinion... just facts. Stay connected, citizens.
Does the potential mil increase have to go to referendum?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 20, 2011, 10:45:42 AM
Mrs. C, Lisa, Diane, Wilma, Janet, Flint, Jefe, Ready, Larry and anyone other comparitively sane, moderate, civil individual...The only way to kill this thread...And eliminate all this falteral...Is if we quit posting on this and just go away to enjoy the other boards/threads where these two to three individuals aren't allowed to absolutely dominate in the manner they're been allowed to here. These yahoos keep posting the same thing, over and over and over again. They're just burning rubber off of tires that lost their treads many pages ago.
if anyone wanted to kill this thread all they have to do is answer those few simple questions with direct answers. frankly to me it seems thateven those on here associated with elk konnected don't know the answers, or are afraid to give them.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on July 20, 2011, 09:44:42 PM
I'm just guessing that someone just didn't notify that office about that meeting. Just my opinion.
Is it a necessity to have sheriff deputies at meetings?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 21, 2011, 07:10:38 AM
So, what else was discussed? Just wondering. Are they going to increase the mill levy? Just wondering again. Please do tell! I'm interested in all the local schools, I hate what the state budget has done to education. Wish there was something more we could do to help get more dollars into the local schools!!
It was just a conversation, nothing more.
It was an open meeting to the public.
Quote from: Ross on July 21, 2011, 04:55:35 PM
Is it a necessity to have sheriff deputies at meetings?
I don't know, Ross. Why were they at the Elk Konnected meeting where that guy called for the sheriff because of something you alledgely did or said? Was the sheriff at that meeting to participate in the circle of chairs conversation or was the sheriff there because the "leaders" asked that office to be there, in case there was trouble? When I say sheriff, I am meaning that office. This is not a dig at the sheriff. Were the "leaders" expecting trouble at the circle of chairs meeting? Of course, there will be no answers because we don't know who Elk Konnected is or who the "leaders" are.
Quote from: Varmit on July 21, 2011, 04:05:15 PM
if anyone wanted to kill this thread all they have to do is answer those few simple questions with direct answers. frankly to me it seems thateven those on here associated with elk konnected don't know the answers, or are afraid to give them.
Seems so simple, doesn't it Varmit?
Straightforward questions like....
Who are the actual admitted members/owners of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Why can't they get a Kansas Health Foundation grant without having the county procure it for their use?
Who paid for the county employee's time to procure such a grant?
Why do they solicit tax money from Longton to pay for their accreditation fees by another private community organizing company, Public Square Communities, LLC.
Did any money they might have received from the county or state taxpayers go for this purpose?
Of what benefit is such accreditation to the voters & taxpayers of Elk County or the State of Kansas?
Why are county council members so eager to give county money to the Longton Ball Association (twice the requested amount) just to help LBA cover excess expenditures for their ball field renovation?
Just to name a few.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on July 21, 2011, 08:41:37 PM
I don't know, Ross. Why were they at the Elk Konnected meeting where that guy called for the sheriff because of something you alledgely did or said? Was the sheriff at that meeting to participate in the circle of chairs conversation or was the sheriff there because the "leaders" asked that office to be there, in case there was trouble? When I say sheriff, I am meaning that office. This is not a dig at the sheriff. Were the "leaders" expecting trouble at the circle of chairs meeting? Of course, there will be no answers because we don't know who Elk Konnected is or who the "leaders" are.
First it was not billed as a meeting but as a Community Conversation in the newspaper?
All I know is the deputies were outside and that would make it hard for them to be participants.
Why would they be expecting trouble? Unless they felt what they were doing was wrong?
"They laughed, because he was different"
"He laughed, because they were all the same"
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 24, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
As for that that copy and paste and banner thing you have going, it's just not working!
I don't know about it not working. It sure keeps hooking you and your buddies, doesn't it?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 24, 2011, 05:46:38 PM
That is boring!!! I understand you want answers and maybe you will get them by trying another approach!!! Have you thought of that???? Just a thought!! As for that that copy and paste and banner thing you have going, it's just not working!
No way Jo'se.
Then you would not be able to show us how deep your intellegence runs.
Also it adds a bit of humor to the subject.
Keep up the good work and I am so pleased you appreciate hearing from me.
But with all that intellect and all I would think you might come up with some real answers. Try real hard to focus, okay.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 24, 2011, 05:58:52 PM
LOL ANGIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL...What a hoot...You are great!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Hi Angies cheerleader, can you do any better.
Can you display any intellegence on the Elk Konnected questions?
Keep cheering, everyone appreciates a cheerleader.
Why you know one even made a beauty queen out of herself and was invited to run for V.P.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 02:20:32 PM
Ross, my true intelligence does show, your just not seeing it!! It doesn't take a big piece of paper that says I have a degree to know that I am intelligent!! Sorry your not going to bring me down your road of insults!! I just thought that the topic needed a little laugh!! Guess you can't take a joke!! Oh, that's right you only like to make me look like **it and make rude untrue statements about others!! Go and mow some hay or something!!
Oh, no, no. I think you took things wrong. I acknowledged your humor here read it again. I really enjoyed your effort.
Quote from: Ross on July 25, 2011, 02:16:44 PM
Also it adds a bit of humor to the subject.
Keep up the good work and I am so pleased you appreciate hearing from me.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 02:20:32 PM
Oh, that's right you only like to make me look like **it...
Wrong Angie. You have proven yourself fully capable in that area.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on July 25, 2011, 04:26:36 PM
Patriot, you don't know me at all, and for you to be such a **S!! I will be the nice person on this and let you call everyone what you want. In the end it doesn't matter what you say about me, it is only showing the TRUE kind of person that you are!!
Have a great day!! In your own little world!!!!
You weren't so nice and nonjudgmental in your private message to me a few minutes ago. Actually, your words above could be assessed as less than kind. But, frankly I don't give a rats ass about your opinion of me. At least if you dislike me, it will be because of who I am and not who I pretend to be. Do you feel fetter now? Better yet, can you identify any of the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I know all you supporters of Elk Konnected also known as followers or volunteers don't know who you are supporting.
Ya just like the lollipops Elk Konnected gives you, right?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members. It would be nice to have some clarification. Don't ya think? Why the secrets?
I'd like to know how you can support someone you don't know?
We know the newspaper editor is affiliated with Elk Konnected but we don't know exactly what his affiliation is.
Do any of you know? I believe he lives in Chautauqua and Elk Konnected is souppose to be an Elk County organization.
So how does that work, and what is his affiliation???
How is Severy a part of Elk County they are in the next county? Are we going to consolidate with them? Being in the school district does not make them a part of Elk County --- does it??? Maybe they need to have Sedan join Elk Konnected too? I know we have had at least one kid from West Elk School District going to school there.
I like to know who wants me, to support their organization, don't you???
Aren't you the least little bit curious?
That's why I keep asking the questions:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Did you miss the name of this organization that you are trying to put down? Elk Konnected means connected to Elk. Severy is connected to Elk County because it is in Elk County Unified School District 282. Thus a connection or Konnected. Is this plain enough for you or is it too much to understand at one reading?
Quote from: Wilma on July 26, 2011, 08:10:31 AM
Is this plain enough for you or is it too much to understand at one reading?
Be nice now. We don't want to get into antique map reading skills, do we? :o
However, since you so sound knowledgeable about Elk Konnected, LLC, do you know why Elk Konnected could not get its' own Kansas Health Foundation grant? Or why a taxpayer funded employee, got the grant for EK's use? Or why Ms Brummel (the county economic development director) was working at summer day camps during county open hours? Was she paid for those childcare duties by Elk Konnected from the grant monies received... or was she on the taxpayer's dime? Speaking of the taxpayer's dime, do the taxpayers reimburse her for all her EK related travel to and from ball games, etc.? Just wondering.
Quote from: Wilma on July 26, 2011, 08:10:31 AM
Did you miss the name of this organization that you are trying to put down? Elk Konnected means connected to Elk. Severy is connected to Elk County because it is in Elk County Unified School District 282. Thus a connection or Konnected. Is this plain enough for you or is it too much to understand at one reading?
Excuse me Wilma but the name Elk Konnected was conjured up to get all the communities in Elk County connected. according to Elk Konnected's writing's.
But I didn't realize we were disconnected from the rest of the world.
If it is the way you say then Elk Valley has other communities iwth in that school district I'm sure. So why are they not Konnected?
And as I said we have had kids going to school in Sedan, so why aren't they Konnected.
Oh and "EK" came from our licenses plates, per Elk Konnected's writings.
So let's try again.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
What's the use of trying again when the subject's has already been exhausted and not solved? Or do you have the answers and just want to keep them to yourself?
Quote from: Wilma on July 26, 2011, 02:36:23 PM
What's the use of trying again when the subject's has already been exhausted and not solved? Or do you have the answers and just want to keep them to yourself?
Oh no an Elk Konnected follower ready to give up? I'm sorry to hear that?
I'd still like to have an Elk Konnected owner or admitted member come onboard for some real conversation.
No circle of chairs no facilitator, just honest conversation.
We all know they are watching this thread so what is their problem?
Come on Elk Konnected owners and discuss some things like the following:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
What does it mean, that the editor of our paper is affiliated with Elk Konnected?
I can identify some of the reported members of Elk Konnected.
I would like to suggest you read and watch and listen to this video located on the forum at
Re: Smart Meters.........
« Reply #21 on: Today at 01:35:34 am »
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12280.20.html
My post on that page is :
Quote from: Ross on July 27, 2011, 06:49:13 AM
Now that's what I'm talking about over at
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?topic=11780.new;topicseen#new
In this presentation the lollipops are dollars from our tax dollars.
What I'm talking about are our tax dollars giving lollipops in the form of summer day camp,etc.
This for the kids and that for the kids. The kids are being used as a tool or they could even be considered as
a weapon to shut people up. Simply say, "What you don't like doing for children. Another lollipop coming your way at the Longton Free Fair a water slipper slide. But how much are they going to charge the children to use it after our tax dollars paid for it's rental?
But anyhow,Then the perpetrators get imbeded and you lose all control to them. This type of organization is spreading rapidly across Kansas and the US.
Do we need organizations running our School Boards, our Police Departments, our Sheriff Departments, our City Councils, our County Government? All while keeping their membership secret? It's not all volunteers/followers running amoke doing what ever they want, is that what you think? Not a one of those people on the committies is going to drive to Wichita to pick up or return that water slipper slide, no oh no they can't do that. So one of our forum dissenters has volunteered to do it for them, for the kids. I am not at liberty to disclose who that dissenter is at this time. But I will give him an atta boy.
No one cares if the organization does for the kids but when they infiltrate the government or use their positions and/or organization to influence government and do it in secret through volunteers/ followers something is terribly wrong. It's time for the general public to wake up.
This ALERT is an excellent post, thank you for posting it.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
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Quote from: greatguns on July 26, 2011, 10:52:55 PM
I can identify some of the reported members of Elk Konnected.
"Reported" members? Whatever that is. Well... I'm listening.
Quote from: Patriot on July 28, 2011, 08:10:57 AM
"Reported" members? Whatever that is. Well... I'm listening.
Yes please share...listening with great anticipation 228 pages later....
Keep listening! Never have told everything I know :-X
Quote from: greatguns on July 28, 2011, 09:44:02 PM
Keep listening! Never have told everything I know :-X
Yea, but first ya have to know something, right?
Who
steers
the
steering
committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run, Elk Konnected?
It doesn't look like anybody knows anything about the EK or the EK LLC.
Even the so-called defenders/supports know nothing, yet they seem to trust such operations.
Much worse is the government support of such foolishness like the EK.
Red, I do believe you are so right. Someone claims to know something just to sound important. And really doesn't know anything. And that just doesn't float.
Oh, did you hear the Navy just fired their 14th highly respected person this year?
Number 14 supposedly fired for drinking. That's one of them there highly respected
officers and a gentleman know as a Commanding Officer. I do believe there is more
to that story then is politically correct to report.
Sure, we can surely trust our government to be transparent, that is if it is politically correct for them.
Just like Elk Konnected in my opinion?
No organization runs strictly on volunteers or followers.
So why, if it is all it's cracked up to be, why won't they talk with us?
And answer a few questions, like?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
I do believe if they are proud of their organization they would be tickled to discuss it. Don't you?
?
Also what is the affiliation of our newspaper editor to Elk Konnected, just how or what does that mean?
LOL...OMG...Here we go...
Backs to the wall, boys...It's going to be a bumpy over 200 page ride...Again! lol
That's right young lady. No end until Elk Konnected talks and and answers some questions.
And I believe everyone including you and Elk Konnected and others are either monitoring, or reading or posting to this thread.
I think you keep coming back out of curiosity to find out WHO?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who are the admitted members who own,
and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
I can say that because this thread has been Read 22674 times and Elk County only has a population of just under 3000.
I doubt Elk Konnected's web sight has had a forth that many hits. So yes more than a few people are interested.
So you OMG and LOL all you want.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 01:05:41 AM
LOL...OMG...Here we go...
Backs to the wall, boys...It's going to be a bumpy over 200 page ride...Again! lol
I keep coming back for the very same reason that you can't turn away as you pass a hideous wreck...Morbid curiousity to see just exactly how long this line of diatribe is going to continue. Nah...I couldn't care less who, or what UFO-riding creature, is at the helm of EK. It is enough to know that they are trying to work as a cohesive unit to do good for Elk County, Severy, or wherever. I don't question a miracle, Mr. Ross...And as independent and unable to work together as some people are down there, it stands as nothing short of a small miracle that there's a group of people, uniting for the single cause of bettering everyone's life down there. The easiest way to stop a miracle is to start questioning why it exists.
You go right on, manufacturing another over 200 pages of grins and giggles, Mr. Ross...Yes, I'll be here, telling you that you and your buddies are all pretty and that, yes, you have been noticed...And everyone can go away happy. ;D
Quote from: Ross on July 30, 2011, 05:44:54 AM
... So yes more than a few people are interested.
Not to mention the talk in the street. And people
are talking.
People wanting to know who owns Elk Konnected. What's their long range plan to 'Konnect' the county of Elk? Surely they aren't just shooting from the hip. Why are so few involved so deeply in the peoples' business? Government officials wearing Elk Konnected hats while claiming to do the peoples' business. Why? How are they using government to accomplish their goals? What do they know that the rest do not? What role does Public Square Communities, LLC play in the future of Elk County?
And the answers all flow from one question: Who are the legal owners of Elk Konnected, LL?C?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
It is enough to know that they are trying to work as a cohesive unit to do good for Elk County, Severy, or wherever.
Based on what facts... other than what EK says about themselves? And who, exactly, are
they?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
I don't question a miracle, Mr. Ross...
And now EK is somehow a miracle??? Even God in all His omnipotence and mystery is more transparent in His plans and purpose for mankind.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
And as independent and unable to work together as some people are down there, it stands as nothing short of a small miracle that there's a group of people, uniting for the single cause of bettering everyone's life down there.
"Everyone's life"? Bettering how, exactly? And who's 'everyone'?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
The easiest way to stop a miracle is to start questioning why it exists.
No, the easiest way to garner appreciation for a miracle is for people to know its' true source.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
You go right on, manufacturing another over 200 pages of grins and giggles, Mr. Ross...Yes, I'll be here, telling you that you and your buddies are all pretty and that, yes, you have been noticed...And everyone can go away happy. ;D
I'm sure he will continue...as will you. It's just too bad you would adopt the un-American stance that says a few people and special interests should be able to manipulate government at will, with little or no transparency. Trust me.... the grins and giggles are mostly your own.
So who are the miracle workers and what are the measurable results of their miracle?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Nah...I couldn't care less who, or what UFO-riding creature, is at the helm of EK
Are you saying a UFO-riding creature is the Leader of Elk Konnected? Wow, what planet are you from to be so supportive of them.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
It is enough to know that they are trying to work as a cohesive unit to do good for Elk County, Severy, or wherever.
: exhibiting or producing cohesion or coherence
What is coherent about not knowing who owns Elk Konnected or Elk Konnected, LLC?
What good are they doing? Pray tell more about this miracle.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
I don't question a miracle, Mr. Ross...
How is this a miracle, I don't get it. Miracles are of God and God doesn't hide does he?
And I can't figure out if you are talking UFO-riding creature or God, are you confused too?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
it stands as nothing short of a small miracle that there's a group of people,
There are groups of people all over the earth and they all have leaders that do not hide unless they are criminals. So you see it is not a miracle to have a group of people.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
there's a group of people, uniting for the single cause of bettering everyone's life down there.
How? You really believe that story you are being fed don't you?
I don't get the down there, are you really from another planet?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
The easiest way to stop a miracle is to start questioning why it exists.
Even the hierarchy of the catholic church question miracles, don't you see?
I don't question real miracles of God but this is not a miracle. Don't you see the way you have misused the word?
But you keep coming back and try to convince us of the good and great wizard of OZ and miracles and aliens and such.
It is so much fun to read about.
Just funnin' Catwoman didn't you say lighten up? LOL
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
Mr. Ross...Yes, I'll be here, telling you that you and your buddies are all pretty and that, yes, you have been noticed...And everyone can go away happy. ;D
Do you really think I'm pretty? I'd prefer handsome, but really I ain't that either.
But you know what they say, "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder."
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who steers the steering committee?
Aw, ain't you two purdy boys ffuuuuuuuuuuuunyyy... ;D...But you didn't try hard enough...You didn't fill up enough space to create more than about one page...Try again! lol ::)
Quote from: Patriot on July 30, 2011, 07:53:48 AM
Not to mention the talk in the street. And people are talking.
Oh my God. People in Elk County gossiping ? Talk in the streets? What is the world coming to? :o :o :o
QuoteOh my God. People in Elk County gossiping ?
They, and other rural counties have for years. Haven't you seen the screenplay 76 Trombones, with the song, "Pick a little"
Only this time, no names are being stated. And for a reason.
NO ONE KNOWS.
Gossip is never a topic to indulge in , however being that we are who we are....there is a
difference between the New York Post, and the Inquiry. That is, gossip vs. discussion/questions.
Most people in this area are smart enough to know the difference.
ready
Quote from: Catwoman on July 30, 2011, 07:49:16 AM
.And as independent and unable to work together as some people are down there, it stands as nothing short of a small miracle that there's a group of people, uniting for the single cause of bettering everyone's life down there.
I have a real big problem with this! Who gets to make the decision. You know the last time a group of people got together with a real big idea to better everyones life, 6,000,000 Jews were butchered, and around 20,000,000 Russians were murdered
Quote from: srkruzich on July 30, 2011, 04:59:58 PM
You know the last time a group of people got together with a real big idea to better everyones life, 6,000,000 Jews were butchered, and around 20,000,000 Russians were murdered
Well, that coupled with the hindsight that Adolph's 'published' intentions were to save the sinking motherland from its economic collapse by 'uniting the people'. Uh huh. All that glitters isn't gold. He didn't publicly telegraph his real intentions, and those who questioned him were at first considered extremist loons who sought only to stir the pot... guys like Churchill come to mind.
Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
That EK organization is another Acorn. It's anti-American. Why not call EK like it is - a fraudulent community organization?
Looks like a few on here will tell like it is and stay with it.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 30, 2011, 02:47:29 PM
Oh my God. People in Elk County gossiping ? Talk in the streets? What is the world coming to? :o :o :o
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Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 30, 2011, 02:47:29 PM
Oh my God. People in Elk County gossiping ? Talk in the streets? What is the world coming to? :o :o :o
NO, no Jefe de vaca people are not
gossiping, they are talking and paying attention and for you to belittle them is very unbecoming. The people are asking questions such as?
Who has ownership of Elk connected? Who are the admitted members? Who is responsible for Elk Konnected?
What is the editor of our newspaper affiliations and what does that mean?
They are not asking who the
(paid) Volunteers or who the
(mostly) Followers are?
They are asking why Elk Konnected uses
children as a tool to accomplish
whatever it is they want to accomplish and what do they want to accomplish?
They are asking what has Elk Konnected done besides write letters praising themselves?They are asking why an Elk County Grant was applied for with the title for the program as Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp? Wasn't the Grant applied for by the Elk County Economic Development and Youth Services Employee paid by the taxpayers of Elk County?
They are asking how can a person tell the difference when an employee is working if they are working for Elk County or Elk Konnected?They are asking if Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC are one and the same?
Or are they seperate entities?They are asking why doesn't Elk Konnected use the full effect of the internet as they said they would?
That means, why won't they come on this thread and talk with us?
Elk Konnected or Elk konnected, LLC has the following thread on this forum: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,9298.0.html
and a link to their Web Site http://www.cascity.com/howard/?page_id=3
They are asking what Elk Konnected has really accomplished?Let's just take a chance and
suggest the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp. But, what was their part? Did Elk Konnected get the grant? I believe the Elk County Youth Services (paid) Employee did that. I believe Elk County got the grant, didn't they? And possibly our employee working for Elk Konnected slipped Elk Konnected's name in there, is that a possibility?
I haven't read anything in the County Commissioners Meeting Minutes that anyone from Elk Konnected requested such an act, have you?
Perhaps Elk Konnected
organized the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp as it was called because the name was on the Grant? No, I don't believe so, do you? The newspaper said to mail applications for Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp to the Elk County Youth Services
(paid) Employee at the Elk County Court House, If I recall it right.
Perhaps Elk Konnected provided the organization of the Summer Day Camp daily activities, again I don't think so. Again, I believe the Elk County Youth Services
(paid) Employee did that because all the cheap toys were assembled and stored in the Elk County Court House. After all isn't that what
we pay Elk County Youth Services Employee to do.
Perhaps Elk Konnected provided
(paid) baby sitters for the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp, right? No I don't think so. I believe the Elk County Youth Services
(paid) Employee did that. And they were paid out of the Grant most likely. What do you think?
So what was Elk Konnected's part in the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp besides possibly using our Elk County Youth Services
(paid) Employee to put their name on the Grant as a title for the Summer Day Camp is about all, right?
I understand Elk Konnected has rented an inflatable wet slipper slide for the Longton Free Fair for the
Children. I'd like to ask is it really for the
children or is it for Elk Konnected? Is it for the
children to have fun or for Elk Konnected to make money off of the
children? What about the
children that can't afford to pay to play, are they just left out?
Poor children, suffer while the children that have money enjoy, is that the goal?
Where did the money coming from to pay for the inflatable wet slipper slide? Did the money coming from the
Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp funds acquired from the
Elk County Grant? Did the money coming from the
Elk County's Recreational Funds? If so I sure hope the play on the inflatable wet slipper slide is
free.
What has Elk Konnected accomplished?1) They took unauthorized use of our Elk County Web Site by putting a personal web page on it.
2) The web page was up there until Commissioner Liebeau's aunt complained at the County Commissioners meeting?
3) They took unauthorized use of the Elk County Emergency call system by sending out messages several times in one day that one of their functions was cancelled.
4) Until people complained.
People are asking
WHAT ELSE may they have done with the counties resources that we don't know about?
If Elk Konnected calls for a community conversation and it is just a bunch of circles of chairs with a man from Wichita County controlling everything to a "T" it's okay? And not aloow a citizen to have the opportunity to talk with them in front of the community, why?
But let Governor Brownback call a meeting and no circle of chairs it is "Topic: Way to screw things up Brownback." Why is that? see at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11874.0.html
So you see Mr. Jefe de vaca your bullying tactics are more demeaning to yourself then to the people you are bad mouthing.
If you would or could, would you answer a few questions in an intelligible way. Especially the following:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members
who own,
and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Yup, Jefe, they're gossiping, alright... ;D...From what my friends down there tell me, they have bets running on how many more pages this is going to go... ;D :o ;D
Then let's just stop this at the quick:
Jeffe and Ross----duke it out with facts. Ross seems to have some, Jeffe....not so much.
Then the pages will diminish and we will still get to crank our necks at a 'somethin, sometin' until someone sets them straight...like someone from the ELK KONNECTED community (without tables, please!)
ready, and scratching my head
How many more pages will this thread go? Considering that Ross is doing most of the posting himself and he doesn't seem to mind typing the same thing over and over and over, and a single post of his can take up most of a page, it could go on forever.
Does that bother you Wilma?
What freedoms do we have to up to give feel Konnected?
Do we give up control of our county government, our elected officials, our county employees?
Do we give that up to Elk Konnected?
Do we have to give up freedom of speech?
Would that make the Elk Konnected followers happy?
What does Elk Konnected really want besides total control at Community Conversations?
Well the owner of this forum is the only one with the power to turn me off or to censor me.
And I would respect her wishes as she also has the freedom to do that.
However, you can censor me for yourself simply by not returning to this thread, you have that freedom.
But, I am still looking for answers to questions and I am being very open about it.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
I've just put 5 bucks on at least 10 more pages...Keep going Mr. Ross or you're going to lose my money for me... ;D
Why don't you toss your money to the EK organization since you believe in it so much?
If I had the extra funds to do so, I would, Red. They are trying to improve the living experiences of your children that are trapped down there with very little to do other than farm or school pursuits...They're trying to promote a cooperative spirit, since you all down there have to rely on each other, being so cut off from the rest of the world. These people aren't trying to "get away" with anything, from what I've read here on the Forum...They're DOING rather than just TALKING ABOUT IT. Not a popular concept, I agree, with those who sip their coffee and become armchair quarterbacks late in the game. My funds, however, are as always encumbered by the needs of not only my own children but also the needs of my own classroom. NO, the school doesn't provide me with enough to make my room the way it needs to be to inspire and motivate my students, so I spend my own money. BUT YES...HELL YES...If I had money, I'd give it to them. God bless them for continuing to try to do good for Elk County kids, in spite of the backstabbers and anklebiters.
I do think I'll up my bet, though...I think, thanks to the blowing as we're going here, we will actually make it to the extra 10 page mark...Good job, Red...You're going to make me enough money to be able to buy first day treats for my students!!! ;D
Nothing like being on the winning side. You won't need to send it to Ross because he's not creating an organziation
to take your money or the government's money.
Ross is doing a great job and hopefully he keep using as many pages as he needs to keep up the good work.
These days not many Americans have as much common sense as Ross.
Yup, I'm upping that bet... ;D
I'm glad Mr. Ross has a supporter like you, Red... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
They are trying to improve the living experiences of your children that are trapped down there with very little to do other than farm or school pursuits...They're trying to promote a cooperative spirit, since you all down there have to rely on each other, being so cut off from the rest of the world.
Trapped down there? What are you talking about? What the hell is down there suppose to mean? You make no sense?
Cut off from the rest of the world. I hope you don't teach geography because we are not an island. We are not cut off from nothing. We have Telephones, TV's, Cell Phones, Internet, Car, Trucks, Airport just like you. unless you live on another planet.
A cooperative spirt by saying shut up, sit down and do as you are told or you are not welcome here.
A cooperative spirt by having followers that know nothing about the organization. How does that work? Oh that must be that miracle you conjured up right?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
These people aren't trying to "get away" with anything, from what I've read here on the Forum...They're DOING rather than just TALKING ABOUT IT.
Doing what? You can't answer that. Because have failed to answer that very question so many times.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
My funds, however, are as always encumbered by the needs of not only my own children but also the needs of my own classroom. NO, the school doesn't provide me with enough to make my room the way it needs to be to inspire and motivate my students, so I spend my own money. BUT YES...HELL YES...If I had money, I'd give it to them.
Now, that's a poor excuse not to be able to support such a great organization for only $10 a month. Just look at what all you can get, for only $19 a month. Oh, I don't know what you can get, but apparently you do. They have so much to offer ya ought to go for it. What's $10, maybe they could help you get more money for your class room, what do ya think? Such a great organization aught to be able to do that for the
children don't ya think?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
God bless them for continuing to try to do good for Elk County kids, in spite of the backstabbers and anklebiters.
There you go using them
kids as a tool
or a weapon. Why do you use kids that way? A teacher should know better.
If you are such an expert on Elk Konnected how come you have no answers?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
I do think I'll up my bet, though...I think, thanks to the blowing as we're going here, we will actually make it to the extra 10 page mark...Good job, Red...You're going to make me enough money to be able to buy first day treats for my students!!! ;D
Bribery was nevery necessary when I was in school?
I don't believe it is a necessary thing, is it?
The teachers didn't bribe us to behave in class or try to buy our friendship,
they taught class.
Some one was a dummy to bet on this thread, they lose.
Something rediculous was said on page 99 I think.
This goes on as long as the owner of the forum permits or answers are forth coming.
We are not quitters. Although Elk konnected appears to be quitters to me, they quit communicating with the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County IMHO? Actually I don't believe they have ever really have talked with the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County in my opinion. They set up Community Conversations and then don't follow through. Instead they set up a circus of circles of chairs and if you don't do as they say, you are asked to leave and if that doesn't work they ask for the sheriff.
They also appear to use peer group pressure to get what they want, whatever that may be. Where do you get a community conversation out of that?
But you are just a cheerleader for them with no knowledge of the organization, Right?
I. E. the following and any previous questions:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
Yup, I'm upping that bet... ;D
I'm glad Mr. Ross has a supporter like you, Red... ;D
I don't believe Red is a supporter of mine. But I do believe he is a concerned citizen and taxpayer that cares about Elk County far more than you do.
Otherwise, how could you support an organization who's owners hide out, while their organization has mis-used our county resourcses?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:38:49 PM
Yup, I'm upping that bet... ;D
How immature and you teach children?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:43:42 PM
Yay!!! ;D Keep up the good work, Mr. Ross... ;D...Remember, there are 8 more pages needed in order for the bet to be won...
Still being immature. I sure am glad my child isn't one of your students.
He has mature teachers.
Quote from: Ross on July 31, 2011, 04:07:45 PM
Still being immature. I sure am glad my child isn't one of your students.
He has good teachers.
How irrelevant. Why is she not permitted to respond sarcastically to your post without ruining her employment potential which is irrelevant to her personal life?
Jerry, haven't you noticed that Mr. Ross is the only one who is supposed to be all-knowing and omnipotent with his sarcasm? Anyone else who attempts it is immature...But not him, right? lol ;D ::)
Your post wasn't quite long enough to flesh out the entire page, Mr. Ross...So I'll help it along...I would be willing the 10 page bet will be met within about the next 48 hours, at this rate... ;D
And, as far as immature goes...Spending over 200 pages, harping on the same tired issue qualifies as such...So...Keep up the good work...I'd hate to lose my money at this point... ::)
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 04:13:50 PM
Jerry, haven't you noticed that Mr. Ross is the only one who is supposed to be all-knowing and omnipotent with his sarcasm? Anyone else who attempts it is immature...But not him, right? lol ;D ::)
Your post wasn't quite long enough to flesh out the entire page, Mr. Ross...So I'll help it along...I would be willing the 10 page bet will be met within about the next 48 hours, at this rate... ;D
And, as far as immature goes...Spending over 200 pages, harping on the same tired issue qualifies as such...So...Keep up the good work...I'd hate to lose my money at this point... ::)
What my dear teacher is immature about asking what is happening in our government and our county or for that matter in our country. I believe our forefathers thought it a good idea to question government. As citizens we have a right to know. Perhaps responding to you is a bit immature, but I am trying to get you to open your eyes, to see what is really going on. But it just doesn't get through. If perhaps more people were immature and asked what was going on in the federal government we would not have had the big recession a couple of years ago. perhaps our senators and congressmen would have been working for all of us instead of just big business and the banking industry. Perhaps the crisis our country is facing today would not be happening. The questions would have to be asked numerous times to get a mature answer and proper response. And I do believe that's what this is going to take a lot of repetition. So I will gladly provide that until someone responsible is will to talk with all of us. If that is immature, I gladly accept. But I do believe teacher you should look the word up.
And you are not required to be here on this thread as explained earlier. If you need it explained again I will gladly accomodate you.
In the mean time can answer;
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
There's nothing immature about asking a question once...Or twice...And then leaving it be. Asking it over 200 pages worth? Figure that one out for yourself.
As far as not being required to be on here...That's the pot calling the kettle black...
But, keep on going...I think we've about got this page done and should be able to start the next page here soon... ;D...It will be nice to win a bet, for once! lol
Oh, excellent...!!!...The start of a new page...
Thanks, Ross...Ya did good!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Jerry Wagner on July 31, 2011, 04:09:10 PM
How irrelevant. Why is she not permitted to respond sarcastically to your post without ruining her employment potential which is irrelevant to her personal life?
Mr. Wagner she is permitted to respond in what ever manner she desires. I do not censor that's not my responsibility.
However, she went there about kids and classroom not I. And I do not have any say in her employment potential.
If it some how affects her employment she should be educated enough not to go there. Don't you think? She has the college degree not me.
People tend to use children as tools or weapons to accomplish what ever their goal is, be it to put someone down or for other purposes and I really don't appreciate that kind of activity in the political arena or any other arena. Do you approve of such behavior?
Read her remarks carefully, here they are:
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 03:24:22 PM
If I had the extra funds to do so, I would, Red. They are trying to improve the living experiences of your children that are trapped down there with very little to do other than farm or school pursuits...They're trying to promote a cooperative spirit, since you all down there have to rely on each other, being so cut off from the rest of the world. These people aren't trying to "get away" with anything, from what I've read here on the Forum...They're DOING rather than just TALKING ABOUT IT. Not a popular concept, I agree, with those who sip their coffee and become armchair quarterbacks late in the game. My funds, however, are as always encumbered by the needs of not only my own children but also the needs of my own classroom. NO, the school doesn't provide me with enough to make my room the way it needs to be to inspire and motivate my students, so I spend my own money. BUT YES...HELL YES...If I had money, I'd give it to them. God bless them for continuing to try to do good for Elk County kids, in spite of the backstabbers and anklebiters.
That whole paragraph sounds moronic to me so what do you think it would sound like to a potential employer? Is that my fault too? Now go back and read my response to it.
I never in my life held anyone else responsible of my employment potential, that was fully my own responnsibility.
Is she a responsible person and teacher? Then act like one. Don't blame me.
Just answer the folowing if you can.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
LOL...Pay close attention, Jerry...You're going to get an expert lesson in cut and paste today... ::)
So...Ross...YOU are allowed to "go there", for over 200 pages worth, but anyone else is prevented from doing that, since they should be educated enough NOT TO...Wow. Talk about an indictment of your own intelligence...Why be so mean to yourself?
The primary reason I'm on here now is insurance...I don't want to lose the bet. There's a bunch of people that are betting that I will be financing their coffee habit because they think you'll chicken out of fleshing out another 6 pages beyond this. I have assured them that your obsessive-compulsive habit of posting, in spite of your best interests, will override any good sense and I will indeed get to finance my classroom with the proceeds...
Carry on, Ross!!!! Don't let me down!!!! ;D ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
LOL...Pay close attention, Jerry...You're going to get an expert lesson in cut and paste today... ::)
So...Ross...YOU are allowed to "go there", for over 200 pages worth, but anyone else is prevented from doing that, since they should be educated enough NOT TO...Wow. Talk about an indictment of your own intelligence...Why be so mean to yourself?
The primary reason I'm on here now is insurance...I don't want to lose the bet. There's a bunch of people that are betting that I will be financing their coffee habit because they think you'll chicken out of fleshing out another 6 pages beyond this. I have assured them that your obsessive-compulsive habit of posting, in spite of your best interests, will override any good sense and I will indeed get to finance my classroom with the proceeds...
Carry on, Ross!!!! Don't let me down!!!! ;D ;D
I would not dream of letting you down.
As I said your behavior is rather immature for a school teacher and I am thankful you are not my childs teacher.
I will repeat for Mr. Wagner that is my opinion and even after reading it earlier she continues the behavior. Now is that my fault? If that were to affect her employment potential don't you think she would be educated enough to stop? I don't think she thinks it has any affect on her employment potential so you must be wrong Mr. Wagner.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
LOL...Pay close attention, Jerry...You're going to get an expert lesson in cut and paste today... ::)
Jerry you need a better teacher to explain for you.
It is not Cut and Past it is Copy and Paste.
And I might also delete a lot of unnecessary B. S.
Now does that affect her employment potential as well?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Bring it on. :D :D :D :D :D
Mr. Ross...You are adorable, you know that? ;D
Your level of tenacity is admirable...Puzzling, but admirable...
As far as you being glad your children never had me... ;D...Let's just say that I've had harder parents than you...And all of my kids not only learned the academics but also learned how to think...An ability that sometimes gets undone when the kids leave the safety of the classroom and try to mitigate the bad examples set by their parents. Unlike you, I will stop there with the personal attacks. My only real interest in seeing this thread be continued is that it will finance a small part of the shortfall in funding that my class will be experiencing this coming fall...So DON'T LET ME DOWN...Keep up the posting, Mr. Ross!!! lol
Really...You are so easy to keep going...I do feel a bit sorry for you. It must be frustrating...But, post away...Only 6 more pages to go!!!!! "YOU CAN DO IT!!!!! (Quote from "The Waterboy")
Quote from: Ross on July 31, 2011, 04:51:27 PM
People tend to use children as tools or weapons to accomplish what ever their goal is, be it to put someone down or for other purposes and I really don't appreciate that kind of activity in the political arena or any other arena. Do you approve of such behavior?
LIberals use children to try and guilt everyone into doing what they want. Thats one of their major tools. I've become quite immune to it since 99% of what they try to use it for doesn't benefit or hurt the children that they speak of.
Treats in school? Using Pavlov in your classroom??
You know, this has all been fun, trading jabs...It filled up an unusually slow Sunday afternoon...
But you do need to realize that you are indeed the topic of gossip...And even though I know you truly believe in your topic matter...It has to have become apparent that you are not going to have an open discussion with any of the EK members. They are not legally obligated to have to do so...And even though this thread has allowed you to have your moment of notariety...It is time to let it go, Ross. No one, outside of you and a select few, is concerned...They're just laughing at all the pages devoted to this...Hence, the pot that is currently going.
Please...Let me go ahead and lose...Just stop. Unless, of course, this is the only way you get any social interaction in your life...If that's the case, then by all means continue. I won't stand in the way any further. This has been fun but pointless...You hurl insults and then don't understand why they're not allowed to stand.
I do feel sorry for you, Ross. Forgive me for irritating you just for my own entertainment (and possible profit).
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 05:00:14 PM
LOL...Pay close attention, Jerry...You're going to get an expert lesson in cut and paste today... ::)
Like jerry needs any lessons in c&p
Quote
The primary reason I'm on here now is insurance...I don't want to lose the bet.
IF i were making a bet i would say its null with you posting. cause all you gotta do is post andpush it past the set line. Kinda like having aces up your sleeve in a poker game
Ross---To hell with these people and what they think of you or this cause. Especially people that don't live here and don't hear what's being said by people other than those on this forum. Remember, we live in a small county and if your name isn't such and such or so and so then you don't amount to a hill of beans in the eyes of the annointed ones. But, to us little peons who believe as you do, your words really mean a lot and we sure are really glad to know you. Keep on keeping on. ---Jennifer
Quoteare not going to have an open discussion with any of the EK members
Unfortunetly cat, no one has come forward....so if this is a game, then you may win your bet.
If this is about your taxes at work, then who cares how long this discussion... takes.
People need to be aware, and betting on one side or the other to get to the truth is no different than the 'people' we have trying to debate our future.
I would pull my money off the table Cat...I will cut you a check right here, right now.
ready and writing!
Quote from catwoman:
But you do need to realize that you are indeed the topic of gossip...
No one, outside of you and a select few, is concerned...They're just laughing at all the pages devoted to this.
Cat,
Why are you so convinced that Ross is the topic of gossip ? I hear more chatter about you and your cheerleaders than I do of Ross. Perhaps it is because of who we associate with---and I'll bet a dime against a dog turd that I hear from more Elk county folks than you do ;)
Jar...
If there were no working phone system between Elk County and the outside world, I would agree with that statement. I would just spare him some of what is being said, is all. And besides that...My attempts to keep this thread going, so as to not have to finance the coffee habits of the people who are calling and discussing this, need to come to a halt. It's not fair to Ross, to be blunt.
So, again, I apologize...If I lose, so be it...It's better than trading jabs continually...lol ::) ;D
QuoteI'll bet a dime against a dog turd
how much is that worth today????
LOL...That's what I was wondering but wasn't going to ask, given the tone I tried to put forth in my previous post! lol ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 05:33:51 PM
You know, this has all been fun, trading jabs...It filled up an unusually slow Sunday afternoon...
I do feel sorry for you, Ross. Forgive me for irritating you just for my own entertainment (and possible profit).
Don't feel sorry for me my dear. I'm not a teacher being told I'm glad my child is not taught by you.
Feel sorry for yousellf for being so narrow minded. And have a good evening thinking about that.
But if you know anything at all answer the questions:
Are you anything more than an Elk Konnected follower?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Narrow-minded?? lol Mr. Ross...I can tell you are one who has never, ever met me...We have only conversed, limitedly, about your posts...Nothing more. Those who do know me are getting quite a grin out of that statement... ;D ;D...And, don't you worry your purdy little head over your attempted slights to my job...I will just consider the source and smile... ;D ;D ;D
I don't believe anybody would be gossiping about me. I'm a nobody, a redneck hick. what's there to gossip about. How I enjoy life, how I ask the questions they want to ask? Naw, I don't think so. But the topic, I believe they are discussing it and in a more educated and refined way then Catwoman of the League of Cheerleaders.
But there are other people on here asking the same questions and they are all good people.
I am very happy to be among there presence.
Catwoman, No one has suggested that Elk Konnected is obligated to communicate with us. It was in their own words they suggested to do so. But they are suppose to be there for Elk County's benefit right? So where are they? Who are they? What are they? What do they accomplish? You are their apparent cheerleader so tell us Catwoman in the words of an educator so we can understand?
Give it your best shot. You haven't been able so far but we will let you keep trying. This is Catwomans night to excel.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Why, thank you, Mr. Ross!! ;D
I guess, what you don't know won't harm you, right?
And, thank you for an exciting afternoon...It helped to pass the time... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 06:28:25 PM
Why, thank you, Mr. Ross!! ;D
I guess, what you don't know won't harm you, right?
And, thank you for an exciting afternoon...It helped to pass the time... ;D
No dearie what you don't know won't help anyone.
Ross, from what I have been reading on here, you need to take notice that Catwoman says it's in your best interest to shut up. Sounds like a threat. Sort of like the one that could have been construed when Wilma asked about your knee. Or the one that Janet had put on about her belief in the 2nd Amendment. Or the one from Wilma to my wife about how they could find her because they know where she works. It sounds like the EK groupies have their panties in a bunch, fruit of the looms, bvds, boxers, I don't know maybe I've got an underwear fetish like Wilma.
Catwoman, you need to pull your head out of that sandbox that the cats have been in. I'm not calling you a dunghead. I'm not saying you have feces for brains. Or that you can't hear guano. What I am saying is that you as a teacher cannot read or comprehend the serious nature of the questions that have been put forth by Patriot or Ross. I realize that us simple minded folks in Podunk County, Kansas are so cut off from the rest of the world that we don't know up from down, left from right or right from wrong, but we can count and if no one cares, why in the hell do the pages of this thread keep going up and the views continue being off the charts. How on earth can we ever find out the news from the outside? I see it on my 46" plasma screen TV. I see it on the 21" computer monitor. I get it in text form across my phone. Or I get it from my Sirius satellite radio. I didn't realize that CNN in Podunk County was different from CNN in Sedgwick County. But the one thing I don't have is someone calling me up on the phone and telling me what to say or do, as I could give a rat's ass less about what Elk Konnected thinks of me or you. Nor do I care about that welfare trash that moved to Canada. I and my wife work for a living and will continue to do so whether it's with the County or a better paying job. I am used to making a week what I make here in one month. ---MR. KSHillbilly
You are reassuring, Hillbilly...Your tune never changes. ;D
These earthshakingly serious questions you all are hounding and expounding on don't seem to be making a nickel's worth of difference in how ANYTHING is run down there...
So...The questions being asked were important why again???
I'll bet Ross a donut hole to a dog turd, and let him hold the stakes in his mouth. :D ;D :D
Quote from: Catwoman on July 31, 2011, 07:04:21 PM
You are reassuring, Hillbilly...Your tune never changes. ;D
These earthshakingly serious questions you all are hounding and expounding on don't seem to be making a nickel's worth of difference in how ANYTHING is run down there...
So...The questions being asked were important why again???
I d 10 T I appologize for that, I could not help myself. You set the situation up. We live here that's why it's important to us. You don't live here and that's why it's not important to you. Any kindergarten teacher could have taught you that. MAYBE.
Good job, good post kshillbillys.
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Now we return to the important local questions who some from out of the area do understand their importance.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 31, 2011, 05:58:01 PM
how much is that worth today????
At the price of dog food, a lot!
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 31, 2011, 06:58:21 PM
Nor do I care about that welfare trash that moved to Canada. I and my wife work for a living and will continue to do so whether it's with the County or a better paying job. I am used to making a week what I make here in one month. ---MR. KSHillbilly
Come on now hillbilly, your a bit too harsh. Welfare trash isn't that bad!
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 31, 2011, 07:41:07 PM
I'll bet Ross a donut hole to a dog turd, and let him hold the stakes in his mouth. :D ;D :D
Another dumb remark, good job. I'll leave you your (to borrow from your buddy, Sodbuster)
vulgar stuff in your mouth. thank you. In Sodbusters words, you are so vulgar. Vulgar Jefe.
I sure hope your buddy Sodbuster doesn't see this.
But hey while you are here tell us what you know. Or do you know anything?
Try these questions;
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
No, I didn't think you knew anything. But it has been real and it has been fun,
but it hasn't been real fun.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 31, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
Come on now hillbilly, your a bit too harsh. Welfare trash isn't that bad!
I bet he meant California.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 31, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
Come on now hillbilly, your a bit too harsh. Welfare trash isn't that bad!
Quote from: Ross on July 31, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
I bet he meant California.
I was wrong dnag nab it. Ha, ha. Too funny.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Responding to your own quote, how original. ::)
Just stopped by to help in adding a page. Sure do want the followers to send their money to catty. I'm sure she needs it more than they do.
Speaking of tight finances, public debt, increasing county property taxes and new $600.00 leather chairs...... Oh, never mind. It's way too early for that. Besides, we don't even know who the people are who sought private asset protection behind the Elk Konnected, LLC veil.... or why they would need that protection. Who provided liability insurance protection for the kids attending the summer day camps in case a child got hurt? Or was the county liable since it was they who provided the money and paid county employee supervision?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 31, 2011, 08:52:13 PM
Responding to your own quote, how original. ::)
Yes, it is original isn't it? :o
It runs right over the top of managements head. ;D
To bad you don't comprehend or understand the true humor in it. :D
But then apparently it wasn't intended for you was it?
But since you are here perhaps you can show us your vast knowledge in
management and answer a few questions;
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Catwoman, what page number do you have? Maybe I can help you reach your number(s). That should help you buy some school supplies for your classroom.
David
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you.
Jefe are you still calling the people of Elk County Stupid?
And did you forget you said,"You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you."
You just can't help yourself, can you? But since you have returned to grace us with your presence
Please try to be useful and tell us what you know about the following. Welcome back.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: sodbuster on August 01, 2011, 11:15:41 AM
Catwoman, what page number do you have? Maybe I can help you reach your number(s). That should help you buy some school supplies for your classroom.
David
This is Catwoman many pages ago.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 06:24:42 PM
Oh, for God's sake...90 pages of this...
And still she has no answers.
I responded with.
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 07:20:09 PM
We are going for 90 more if necessary. But you aren't required to come here.
Do you happen to have any input worth reading?
I believe you have said something like, I think the US is waking up from the rhetoric-induced stupor that O put his followers into...At least, I am hoping so. Perhaps the same could apply to Elk County Citizens concerning Elk Konnected. What cha got?
And as an educated person she responded with.
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 08:05:37 PM
I am sure I couldn't add anything to your 90 pages of understated, selfless, erudite eloquence...So I will bow to your undeniable prowess and leave quietly before I can do anything to encourage any further verbage... ;D...
So I politely responded with.
Quote from: Ross on June 12, 2011, 08:26:13 PM
Well thank you very much.
Have a great life.
Who are the officialiy registered Elk Konnected members???
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
So my question to you Sodbuster, Catwoman and Jefe how many pages are needed before anyone with any true knowledge of Elk Konnected comes forward? How many more pages before someone of any real leadership ability comes forward as owner of or admitted member of Elk Konnected? How many more pages will it take???
How many more pages to get a real Community Conversation going with Elk Konnected?
How many more pages to get the following questions answered???
Who steers the steering committee ?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected ?
Who is their Leader ?
Quote from: Ross on August 01, 2011, 02:01:45 PM
Jefe are you still calling the people of Elk County Stupid?
And did you forget yiu said,"You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you."
You just can't help yourself, can you? But since you have returned to grace us with your presence
Please try to be useful and tell us what you know about the following. Welcome back.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
QuoteIf you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you.
Interesting he deleted his comment. Stupid people huh? Guess these stupid people are smart enough to know that if you take government assistance in any form there are a lot of strings attached and you don't own a business, the government does!
Gotta love the folks that suck off government teat to start up a business don't ya.
Why would ANY intelligent person want the government to have a hand in their business!?
Yea srkruzich, but can Jefe answer any of the questions placed before him from clear down there in Arkansas?
How can someone refer to anyone in Elk County as stupid is beyond me.
Quotebut can Jefe answer any of the questions placed before him from clear down there in Arkansas?
It appears that he is just guessing on the responses/posts which, in my book a little judgmental.
On the flipside Ross...no one else has come forward with any truth...so some people spin it to their pleasure.
If jefe is from Elk County and knows of this so called 'nefarious' group....then
1. they are just that
2. if not, they will defend and post facts
3. or, Just laugh, and then refer to #1
I don't have the answer, however for a group that is out there and taking credit....why aren't there any requests for more volunteers? I would like to be part of that group and help kids, and recreational activities, either by donation or other means...and no one has contacted me.
Well, hmmmppppphhh! I must not be Konnected...and yes, pun intended.
I just don't get it.
That is: if jefe lives in Arkansas....
Just on a side not, Ross:
You don't happen to run a Murder solving dinner party anywhere?
That was out there I know, however Elk, Greenwood and Chatuaqua have alot in common.
We take care of our own!
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ready to do as such
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 01, 2011, 07:26:49 PM
...is from Elk County and knows of this so called 'nefarious' group....then
1. they are just that
2. if not, they will defend and post facts
3. or, Just laugh, and then refer to #1
I just don't get it.
Be it Jefe or any number of others who so gallantly tout blind support for Elk Konnected, LLC....your flowchart above is the essence that perpetuates this whole thread.
You're by no means alone in finding the 'responses' (as distinguished from answers) to date difficult to understand...the responses seem to endlessly point to #1.
Sorry Ready I screwed up I confused him with the other yahoo in Arkansas.
I thought I had corrected my error. Please forgive me Ready.
These people are easy to cornfuse for an old hick with CRS. LOL
But that don't change nothing because they don't know nothing.
So, what you said still holds true.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Boy it's been a hot day today. 111 degrees on my thermometer.
Perhaps it's a hot day for some hot answers from Elk Konnected.
With all that free money you have collected and planning to rent an inflatable slipperslide
for use at the Longton Free Fair, are you going to let the children play on it for free?
Or are you going to charge the children to play on it?
Just wondering? I hope you do it free for the little children since it is being paid for with donations
and being picked-up and returned by a volunteer at no charge as I understand it.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they seperate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members or owners are ashamed of being admitted members/owners. It would be nice to have some clarification. So what is the deal with Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC ???
Just placing a marker here.
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Really
Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
What does the affiliation of the
Prarie Star Editor with
Elk Konnected mean? What is his roll in
Elk Konnected?
Isn't
Elk Konnected mainly a
City of Howard Organization?
Is
Elk Konnected owned by
Elk Konnected, LLC of Howard or
is
Elk Konnected, LLC of Howard owned by
Elk Konnected?Or are
Elk Konnected and
Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same?
What/who is
Elk Konnected?
In my opinion the lack of
definitive answers regarding
Elk Konnected and
Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members or owners are ashamed of being admitted members/owners. It would be nice to have some clarification. So what is the deal with
Elk Konnected and
Elk Konnected, LLC ???
Does Elk Konnected Really Exist?
?
I believe that
Elk Konnected said it's goal is to connect all the communities in
Elk County.
These communities are made up of people, taxpaying citizens, etc. And there are quite a few
Elk County Citizens reading this forum and I believe that include some of the owners or registered members of
Elk Konnected. So please, here is a
great opportunity to
communicate with us. Won't you
Elk Konnected Please come forward? Not asking for the volunteers or the followers but
actual owners/members.
Is
Elk Konnected so unsure of it's self that it can not or will not answer any questions put before them in a
public forum/this public forum/any public forum?
Just checking to see if there is anything new. NADA. Bye.
Nope, nothing but the sound of a lot of hot air, whistling across the dusty expanse of 238 pages of space...
Wilma,
This is what it has been about all along.
Questions for an organization in our county that
no body knows anything about.
And why won't they answer?
Is it that they should be able to ask for hand-outs
of taxpayers money from the communities and county
government with out disclosing who they are?
Are they going to continue calling for Community Conversations
in the newspaper when what they do is anything but a community conversation?
Perhaps one day they may respond, until then I may continue to ask.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 04, 2011, 10:21:33 AM
Nope, nothing but the sound of a lot of hot air, whistling across the dusty expanse of 238 pages of space...
Do you have your duster out? LOL
Oh, no. We get dumb responses from uninformed and uneducated people like this response. Or the responses with no thought put into them are great as well. And for every one to see and enjoy a chuckle at.
You apparently don't understand that such an organization could possibly effectively negate your voice as a taxpayer and voter and therefore relieve you of your rights and priviledges as such, while asking for your tax dollars to fund itself, I do not expect you to understand anything conveyed throughout this thread. Why do you suppose they have been turned down for donations by at least one city council on several occassions?
Apparently Freedom to you means others carry the torch, such as the military. When actually your freedom's start at home. Loose those freedoms what do you have?
Just my personal opinions so, I would appreciate it if Elk konnected would step up to the plate with some answers.
That would be nice wouldn't it?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members or owners are ashamed of being admitted members/owners. Or is there some other problem we should be aware of. It would be nice to have some clarification. So what is the deal with Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC ???
I thought somebody said EK Steering Committee meetings were an open thing. When and where was the last gathering of the "Steering Committee", and who attended, and where are they steering the county next? And with whose money & resources?
It's been pretty hot out. Hope they didn't have to meet under a tree somewhere in the middle of nowhere. If so, I hope there was a breeze and plenty of cool, fresh water available. Of course, as hot as it's getting in the kitchen, maybe an outdoor retreat would be nice.
Aw Patriot, what I'd give for a tin cup full of cold artesian water right now. It would be so refreshing and might "clear my mind " ;)
Hey, guess what Elk Konnected gave the kids a lollipop at Longton Free Fair, no charge to slide down the Giant Inflatable Wet Slipersilide. But wait a minute I have another question was it Elk Konnected that funded the slide or the Elk County Summer Day Camp Grant that funded it? Oh boy more questions?
Any way today at the fair the kiddies played for free on the Giant Inflatable Wet Slipersilide. I saw kid there I knew that would not have had money to pay to play, and I was very happy to see them being able to play on it..
But really with the blurring of Elk Konnected and Elk County Government it's impossible to know who paid for the slide until Monday and maybe not then. Kind of bewildering isn't it?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Ross on August 05, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Another option - the members and/or the people that know refuse to respond to bully tactics.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on August 05, 2011, 09:48:54 PM
Another option - the members and/or the people that know refuse to respond to bully tactics.
Horsehockey. Appears more each day they fear sunshine & may have something to hide. The bullying being done here has primarily been done by defenders/followers/volunteers. Do you need quotations?
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Quote from: Ross on August 05, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
Hey, guess what Elk Konnected gave the kids a lollipop at Longton Free Fair, no charge to slide down the Giant Inflatable Wet Slipersilide. But wait a minute I have another question was it Elk Konnected that funded the slide or the Elk County Summer Day Camp Grant that funded it? Oh boy more questions?
Any way today at the fair the kiddies played for free on the Giant Inflatable Wet Slipersilide. I saw kid there I knew that would not have had money to pay to play, and I was very happy to see them being able to play on it..
But really with the blurring of Elk Konnected and Elk County Government it's impossible to know who paid for the slide until Monday and maybe not then. Kind of bewildering isn't it?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Thanks to all of the volunteers like Liz and others that make Elk county a great place to live, Liz keep on keeping on. I know a lot of people that appreciate all of the extra that you and others do. Ross what have you done to benefit Elk County besides put out all of the trash you have been posting that is anti Elk County. Most everyone I have talked to is pleased that Elk Konnected and its members have ignored you. If you run for public office I can see the campaign signs now, "TOSS ROSS".
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 06, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
Thanks to all of the volunteers like Liz and others that make Elk county a great place to live, Liz keep on keeping on. I know a lot of people that appreciate all of the extra that you and others do. Ross what have you done to benefit Elk County besides put out all of the trash you have been posting that is anti Elk County. Most everyone I have talked to is pleased that Elk Konnected and its members have ignored you. If you run for public office I can see the campaign signs now, "TOSS ROSS".
You are so full of yourself Elk@KC. We don't know yet who put up the money or if Elk County presented the Slide, you are just ass/um/e 'ing. Let's see if we can get some facts first. Was it funded by the money's from the Elk County Grant or what.
"TOSS ROSS", now that's cute. How long did it take you to come up with that? Really creative, but mostly cute. Would you mind if I use it sometime?
And as far as those few Elk Konnected followers that you talk to that is not a consensus is it? You need to get out and talk to the general population. You might learn something. However your phoney name you use has KC in it, does that mean you reside in Kansas City and are unable to talk to the general population?
Would you be so brave as to tell us your real name?
Elk Konnected has not said whether they were involved or not, now have they?
Oh, a question for you directy if you will, are you related to Liz, too?
Oh, a couple more questions if you will, please?
And really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 06, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
Thanks to all of the volunteers like Liz and others that make Elk county a great place to live, Liz keep on keeping on.
Are you in the know about Elk Konnected?
What is your konnection to Elk Konnected, please tell us?
How is it that you refer to the supposed founder of Elk Konnected as a follower?
You do know that volunteers are known as followers don't you?
Enlighten us will you please?
Answers ELK@KC That's what the thread is about looking for is answers.
Do you have any real answers ELK@KC?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 06, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
Ross what have you done to benefit Elk County besides put out all of the trash you have been posting that is anti Elk County.
For my country which includes Elk County I served in the military which makes me a veteran.
I am also a resident that
pays taxes which Elk Konnected has collected a portion of from my County Government without disclosing who they are.
I am also a citizen who votes in elections.
I have also given a helping hand on numerous occasions to friends and neighbors through out the county. Without having to have to collect taxdollars to do it. Or write letters or newspaper articles to pat myself on the back.
Your turn what have you done?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
I think the real question should be is What does Elk county do for its citizens. Not the private company LLC Elk Connected, but the COUNTY. Do they take care of the functions of Government that they are required to take care of? Are the roads all fixed, is everything the Government does, done in a constitutional manner? Are all of its employees honest and ethical in their dealings with the taxpayers money? Does elk county government handle the money they do get frugally and with great responsibility as to getting the most for the dollar that they can get! Do they bid out contracts to the lowest bidder in the state? Or do they just Hire managers to do the handling of the process and appoint contractors to fill these jobs.
I think the number one question is this....Does anyone in the county Government know who owns Elk Konnected LLC?
Quote from: srkruzich on August 06, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
Or do they just Hire managers to do the handling of the process and appoint contractors to fill these jobs.
AMEN! But by "managers".... you meant bodies, right?
Quote from: srkruzich on August 06, 2011, 12:32:53 PM
I think the number one question is this....Does anyone in the county Government know who owns Elk Konnected LLC?
That's for sure. But more and more it seems those who want to enjoy the personal liability protections are content to hide behind the LLC veil... even though they do take taxpayer money and use taxpayer resources. And government appears too content with that arrangement. Unless some part of government IS Elk Konnected and visa versa. As has been asked... if they have nothing to hide, why hide. What are they ashamed of?
Quote from: Ross on August 05, 2011, 07:38:59 PM
Hey, guess what Elk Konnected gave the kids a lollipop at Longton Free Fair, no charge to slide down the Giant Inflatable Wet Slipersilide. But wait a minute I have another question was it Elk Konnected that funded the slide or the Elk County Summer Day Camp Grant that funded it? Oh boy more questions?
Wrong Ross. Elk Konnected did NOT 'provide' anything... the county did.
The money to rent the slide from Big Sky Party in Wichita was taken from the county special recreation fund, authorized by commission vote on June 27, 2011. Other than take undue credit and advertise their non-involvement, I can't see that Elk Konnected did
anything to provide the attraction. I've heard the rec fund gets it's money from booze proceeds, largely generated at Flint Oak. So a big hand is due to those who drink beer, wine and bourbon. Thanks for your support!
Let the defenders/followers/volunteers begin their usual defenses....
Quote from: Patriot on August 06, 2011, 02:32:38 PM
Wrong Ross. Elk Konnected did NOT 'provide' anything... the county did.
The money to rent the slide from Big Sky Party in Wichita was taken from the county special recreation fund, authorized by commission vote on June 27, 2011. Other than take undue credit and advertise their non-involvement, I can't see that Elk Konnected did anything to provide the attraction. I've heard the rec fund gets it's money from booze proceeds, largely generated at Flint Oak. So a big hand is due to those who drink beer, wine and bourbon. Thanks for your support!
Let the defenders/followers/volunteers begin their usual defenses...
What? I'm Wrong. Oh my God, did you hear that ELK@KC I'm wrong. But guess what it won't be the first or the last time.
But when I'm wrong it is an honest error. Not one I fabricate like saying I don't use tax money when in fact I do, meaning Elk Konnected do you understand the difference ELK@KC ?
All I can say is good job Elk County. I did see kids that couldn't pay for something like that having a good time. All the kids were having fun.
Thanks for straightening me out on that Patriot I like the truth.
I like that defenders touch. They will do anything to defend an organization they know nothing about. But I give them credit for the great effort they put into it. If only they could answer a few real questions, wouldn't that be great.
Quote from: Ross on August 06, 2011, 02:48:20 PM
If only they could answer a few real questions, wouldn't that be great.
You betcha.
I heard that when Jennifer Brummel was at the commissioner's meeting wanting paid mileage to go pick up the water slide and take it back, that a nice couple from Elk county OFFERED to go pick it up AND take it back FREE OF CHARGE! And guess what? That nice couple are the ones that did so AND had to make the arrangements for pickup and return times with the company the slide was rented from. And since the money came from the COUNTY'S special recreation fund, then in my opinion, ELK KONNECTED didn't give the kids a damn thing like they are claiming on their facebook page.....and I quote...
Elk Konnected
Come cool off with Elk Konnected at the Longton Fair Friday evening August 5th by sliding down inflatable water slide. Thanks to these sponsors its FREE, co-sponsored by Elk County and Elk Konnected.
Wednesday at 11:07am
So if Elk Konnected "sponsored" it, exactly HOW did they do so? -----MRS. KSH
Yea, how about that hillbilly. And it wasn't no Elk Konnected volunteer/follower. Just great people and they are
Elk County taxpayers who voluntered to help the COUNTY.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 06, 2011, 09:48:30 AM
Thanks to all of the volunteers like Liz and others that make Elk county a great place to live, Liz keep on keeping on. I know a lot of people that appreciate all of the extra that you and others do. Ross what have you done to benefit Elk County besides put out all of the trash you have been posting that is anti Elk County. Most everyone I have talked to is pleased that Elk Konnected and its members have ignored you. If you run for public office I can see the campaign signs now, "TOSS ROSS".
I guess you must be talking about all the great work of taking advantage of our County Government Resources and taxpayers?
Like when they placed their unauthorizesd web page on our County Government Owned web site?
OR
When they used our public emergency crisis call system for it's personal use to send out messages 3 or 4 times on one day?
OR
When they took credit for the Elk County Summer Day Camp and the grant for it awarded to Elk County?
OR
Or are you talking about the front page newspaper articles of having Community Conversations which in my opinion are anything but? How can they be conversations when operated like a three ring circus with a Circus ring leader controling where you sit, who you can talk with and if you don't do as he says you are thrown out. And the Circus ring leader is from another county half way towards the Colorado state line, how is he part of the community?
OR
Perhaps you are talking about the letters of self praise?
OR
Perhaps you are refering to their Face Book web site where they are busy patting themselves on the back?
ELK@KC what has Elk Konnected actually done that has so impressed you? Can you name a few things?
We want to be impressed too.
Here is a real easy qustion for you. Who are you and where do you live?
Did you know Elk Konnected Went to Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High. Where is Howard West Elk. I didn't know that Howard had a school inside their city limits? Or was West Elk renamed?
Can you provide any answers, please?
From Elk Konnected's Facebook page:
The History of Elk Konnected.
by Elk Konnected on Friday, May 13, 2011 at 9:36am
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In early 2007, citizens of Elk County began talking to Terry Woodbury with Public Square Communities. It was apparent that our small towns needed to work more together than pull apart. Terry's process – "rebuilding the public square" seemed like one option. The Public Square process embraced the idea of each of the four sectors - Business, Education, Government and Health/Human Services – working together. Terry travelled to Elk County three different times, exploring with various citizens this process. Each time he would encourage us to find citizens engaged in various communities and also across sectors. Finally after the 3rd meeting with Terry in March 2007, a steering committee was formed and charged with raising the seed money. The Steering Committee represented citizens from each of the six towns while also representing the four sectors of the public square – Business, Education, Government and Health/Human Services. While Elk County only has 5 incorporated towns, it was decided from the beginning to include Severy in the Elk Konnected community because Severy is part of the West Elk school district.
The nine member steering committee set off to raise the $3000 seed money - $50 at a time. This money helps pay for the services provided by Public Square Communities LLC and also measures the commitment of the community. By the end of July, the steering committee had donations from 74 individuals, businesses, civic clubs, etc and had raised $4250. To get a gauge of where our communities really were, we started interviewing "Konnected" people. Terry and the steering committee conducted interviews and circulated a "20 Clues Survey" (Community survey). By the end of the survey period, we had conducted 58 interviews and collected 140 community surveys. We were ready for our first community conversation.
The first Community Conversation, held in Longton, was open to all of the Elk Konnected area. Advertizement was in the newspaper and cable channel, flyers were hung in local businesses and announcement made at civic meetings and churches. On October 26, 2007, 126 people attended. With Terry's help facilitating, we looked at our top asset as identified by the "20 Clues Survey and identified ways to strengthen our weakest areas based on the survey information. We also identified examples of citizen engagement and looked for ways to build upon them throughout the entire area. At the end, people were asked to nominate one person from each of the public square sector who crossed over -"konnected" with – another sector. These names were then used to create our Vision Retreat attendance list.
By being a part of the Public Square Communities, LLC we have the opportunity to send attendees to a 2 day conference for no fee. We asked some of the vision retreat nominees to go and six were able to attend. Then on Jan 9, 2008 at Flint Oaks, we convened 51 engaged citizens from the Elk Konnected area whom had been nominated by their peers. Terry again led us through a day long retreat looking at the future of Elk Konnected. Utilizing the information from the Community Conversation, surveys and interviews, this motivated group created a mission statement, and formed five action teams, and identified 2 co-conveners and members for each action team.
With the mission statement of "Strong Families, Solid Education, Superior Lifestyle – Stay with us as we grow", the following action teams went to work. Their primary charge is listed below:
• Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
• Community Standards: establish standards in each community
• Communication: establish a community-wide publication of all activities and events to patrons
• Physical Image: organize a community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
including business, city/county government, civic groups, school working together for each community and in turn so that each community helps other communities
• Youth Development: establish a coordinated program in the Elk Konnected community.
Stay tuned for our next weekly article talking about the action teams and their missions. Elk Konnected will be doing a weekly article about itself in the Prairie Star Newspaper. We are very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process and Public Square Communities LLC. Please feel free to email questions to Elkkonnect@Gmail.com.Okay...Very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process? Answer these please....
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own and run
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
I agree Hillibilly, here are a couple mor questions from me. Mine are in blue.The History of Elk Konnected.
by Elk Konnected on Friday, May 13, 2011 at 9:36am
My questions are in blue in the various paragraphs.In early 2007, citizens of Elk County began talking to
Terry Woodbury with Public Square Communities. It was apparent that our small towns needed to work more together than pull apart.
Terry's process – "rebuilding the public square" seemed like one option. The Public Square process embraced the idea of each of the four sectors - Business, Education, Government and Health/Human Services – working together.
Terry travelled to Elk County three different times, exploring with various citizens this process. Each time he would encourage us to find citizens engaged in various communities and also across sectors. Finally after the 3rd meeting with Terry in March 2007, a steering committee was formed and charged with raising the seed money. The Steering Committee represented citizens from each of the six towns while also representing the four sectors of the public square – Business, Education, Government and Health/Human Services. While Elk County only has 5 incorporated towns, it was decided from the beginning to include Severy in the Elk Konnected community because Severy is part of the West Elk school district.
The nine member steering committee set off to raise the $3000 seed money - $50 at a time.
Didn't that $3000 seed money come from a scholarship fund that was paid directly to Terry Woodbury with Public Square Communities? That's what a commissioner told me in a County Commissioners meeting. This money helps pay for the services provided by Public Square Communities LLC and also measures the commitment of the community. How does it measure the commitment of the community if it came from a school grant?
By the end of July, the steering committee had donations from 74 individuals, businesses, civic clubs, etc and had raised $4250. To get a gauge of where our communities really were, we started interviewing "Konnected" people.
Terry and the steering committee conducted interviews and circulated a "20 Clues Survey" (Community survey). By the end of the survey period, we had conducted 58 interviews and collected 140 community surveys. We were ready for our first community conversation.
Out of a population of 3000 that's the best they could do, such small numbers for a concensus? The first
Community Conversation, held in Longton, was open to all of the Elk Konnected area. Advertizement was in the newspaper and cable channel, flyers were hung in local businesses and announcement made at civic meetings and churches. On October 26, 2007, 126 people attended. With
Terry's help facilitating, we looked at our top asset as identified by the "20 Clues Survey and identified ways to strengthen our weakest areas based on the survey information. We also identified examples of citizen engagement and looked for ways to build upon them throughout the entire area. At the end, people were asked to nominate one person from each of the public square sector who crossed over -"konnected" with – another sector. These names were then used to create our Vision Retreat attendance list.
Keep paying Terry Woodbury with Public Square Communities, and of course he requires taxpayer dollars to be a member of his private club, right? I do believe that's what I read on his web site. By being a part of the
Public Square Communities, LLC we have the opportunity to send attendees to a 2 day conference for no fee. We asked some of the vision retreat nominees to go and six were able to attend. Then on Jan 9, 2008 at Flint Oaks, we convened 51 engaged citizens from the Elk Konnected area whom had been nominated by their peers. What peers? Who?
Terry again led us through a day long retreat looking at the future of Elk Konnected. Utilizing the information from the Community Conversation, surveys and interviews, this motivated group created a mission statement, and formed five action teams, and identified 2 co-conveners and members for each action team.
With the mission statement of "Strong Families,
At supposed Community Conversations Husbands and wives are not permitted to sit together, how is that conducive to strong families? Solid Education, Superior Lifestyle
You know it sounds sort of like the Stepford Wives to me, do as we say and live happily ever after. Doesn't it sound like that to you? – Stay with us as we grow", the following action teams went to work. Their primary charge is listed below:
• Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Didn't Elk Konnected create a private business, an Elk Konnected Fitness Center by first using grant money then becoming Elk Konnected, LLC a private business in Howard, am I right?• Community Standards: establish standards in each community What does this mean?
Doesn't each community have it's own government and it's individuality? Does this mean Elk konnected want's each community to be an extension of Howard? Seriously what does it mean?• Communication: establish a community-wide publication of all activities and events to patrons
We have Elk County Forum, snail mail, telephone, television and a newspaper. What more could we need?• Physical Image: organize a community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
This had already been going on before Elk Konnected in at least a couple of communities. But what has changed since Elk Konnected came up with the new idea? including business, city/county government, civic groups, school working together for each community and in turn so that each community helps other communities
Does this mean Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's) ??? • Youth Development: establish a coordinated program in the Elk Konnected community.
Huh? What does this mean, details please?Stay tuned for our next weekly article talking about the action teams and their missions. Elk Konnected will be doing a weekly article about itself in the Prairie Star Newspaper.
What is the affiliation of the Editor to Elk Konnected and what part does he play? We are very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process and Public Square Communities LLC. Please feel free to email questions to Elkkonnect@Gmail.com.
Why not right here if you are so open and willing to answer civil questionsOkay...Very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process? Answer these please....Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own and run
Elk Konnected?
Who is your Leader?
Ross? Do you might think that there are 4 holes to blow up and only one stick of dynamite?
Take care of one, and a 5th opens up?. (Jarhead......don't even go there! ;D)
Good things happen for a reason. We just have to know 'what is the reason?" And if it is a 'need to know' basis, then I question the reason until all facts are in place...and that is yet to be determined...
or it is not up to us to know..ad nauseum.
I am not talking about hiding, I am talking about skirting an issue. One would think one would defend, or at least come clean as to the hierarchy of the organization.....I have been there, and to defend means one is guilty...are they?
Now, I am not taking sides, just trying to understand how a 'service' to the people can be filtered through the county funds (our tax dollars) with a conflict of interest with the Community Co-ordinator, if indeed that is happening.
My question is: Is Jennifer a puppet of 'easy acquistion' based on her position....or is a 'slight of hand' happening with your hard earned tax dollars. I do not mean any disrespect for Jennifer...just asking a question.
Personally, I donate anonymously....IF there is an up & up cause.
That being said....I have found no information (other than he said/she said, nor any viable facts that show true cause of an existing group...other than what has been in the Praire paper) to state that I would send money to Elk Connected..
Sorry, Elk Konnected...I question if your plan has gone 'awry' (insert tu) and now you are hanging on by a thread of respect or disrespect.
Just my 2 ¢
ready
You guys forgot that PSC and EK LLC are intertwined Kansas Communities LLC to "build and rebuild community across Kansas.
Good point steve....who is PSC? and the monies raised went to pay them something that has been going on in Elk County for a lot longer then lPSC AND LLC!
Perhaps that tree of being connected is a different tree?
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 07, 2011, 03:32:05 PM
Good point steve....who is PSC? and the monies raised went to pay them something that has been going on in Elk County for a lot longer then lPSC AND LLC!
Perhaps that tree of being connected is a different tree?
ready
Public Square communities.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 07, 2011, 02:48:49 PM
You guys forgot that PSC and EK LLC are intertwined Kansas Communities LLC to "build and rebuild community across Kansas.
Public Squares Communities, LLC requires Elk Konnected to pay them with monies from the public's four squares as they call it and that includes the community governments tax dollars.
Quote, "Accreditation requires that four sectors – business,
education human service and
government –
share leadership and funding for managing their development efforts
and
pay an
annual fee of
$1,500 to $4,000 depending on population. The fee must come from at
least three of the four public square sectors.
Accreditation is granted by a 4-person peer review team from other communities and regional partners.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm#Accreditation
Doesn't education equal school taxes as part of our property taxes?
lol, thank you both. I knew who they were and tried to do research on them
Just wanted to ask if that was an important gig for them. As well as EKonnected.
See were I am going?
ready
Quote, "Accreditation requires that four sectors – business,
education human service and
government –
share leadership and funding for managing their development efforts
Does this mean that government must share leadership in Elk Konnected? If so, how can PSC stipulate what we elect our officials to do?and
pay an
annual fee of
$1,500 to $4,000 depending on population. The fee must come from at
least three of the four public square sectors.
Will Elk Konnected continue to ask for more money for one project after another? While still collecting their fees from our taxes to pay PSC?Will the hand outs to Elk Konnected ever end?
What is the connection between Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk Konnected?
Since the Elk Konnected, LLC owns and operates a business in Howard can't they use it's profits to do it's funding or will they continue to ask for Welfare from Elk County?
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 07, 2011, 04:20:46 PM
lol, thank you both. I knew who they were and tried to do research on them
Just wanted to ask if that was an important gig for them. As well as EKonnected.
See were I am going?
ready
Sure, I think both are bound to be making mooney off the taxpayer, don't you?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php
I question the methods of Public Squares...They are being paid for something that people have been doing for years...and now money is tight...so the old adage goes: when people are happy, stay away. When people are depressed, move in.
(that was paraphrased)
Why are we only hearing about Elk Connected and not Public Squares? If the thing went sour...then they should claim 'Mea Culpa".
Good luck with that one! Methinks there are puppets out there that don't want to admit to trying and now, trying to save face.
IMHO.
ready
Quotewhich are recognized, linked and elevated – locally,
how are they recognized? by a website, but not locally? Yet, locally through Elk Konnected?
ready
Yea, really weird what some people will believe.
But hand out lollipops and it helps strengthen the beliefs.
Weird, weird, weird. IMHO
What happened to Ek@KC or was that ELK@KC we have been waiting to hear more from you.
Do you by chance live in KC?
Come on good buddy talk to us. Over. 10-4 Good buddy.
Ross and others ; no one from Elk Konnected or Public Sqare is going to respond to you here on the forum. They have no legal duty to do so and in my opinion your tone will prevent them from doing so. Your only path is to get your answers from your government officials. What have you done to get an official response? Are you guys just bitching or are your serious. Review your open meeting laws and you will see why your answers will never come on a private forum like what we are on now.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 07, 2011, 09:48:19 PM
Ross and others ; no one from Elk Konnected or Public Sqare is going to respond to you here on the forum. They have no legal duty to do so and in my opinion your tone will prevent them from doing so. Your only path is to get your answers from your government officials. What have you done to get an official response? Are you guys just bitching or are your serious. Review your open meeting laws and you will see why your answers will never come on a private forum like what we are on now.
David
David,
I'm sorry buddy but to be truthful, we are not here looking for your's or anyone else's advice.
I don't think you understand the purpose of this thread or you would understand advice is not what it's about.
This thread is about asking questions and sharing information and if the people with the answers don't wish to respond that is their choice. They know we are here and that we are not the ones hiding now are we? Simple, huh?
Yes, David I have stood in front of our County Commissioners on few occassions.
David, what is it about this thread that actually bothers you?
Unless you have any real answers, please don't let this thread bother you.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Just curious...did anyone send these questions to the gmail.com address they had in their article?
Quote from: sodbuster on August 07, 2011, 09:48:19 PM
They have no legal duty to do so...
You are correct. I pointed out that fact as far back as April. The fact that Elk Konnected, as a privately held company, has no disclosure requirement while it takes government money and uses taxpayer resources, is the very issue here. And frankly, the more people who understand that fact, the better.
Transparency, when it comes to government, is at the very core of this thread. If a company comes to the taxpayer's representatives asking for money, their core identity should be in open view.
In this case, however, we have a private, state registered, limited liability company, seeking that money by proxy through volunteers or followers or those who are called 'steering committee members'. When that private group enlists government employees to seek and disburse taxpayer funds in their company name, something isn't right. How is the public interest secured when they don't know who is legally responsible for taking or spending their tax dollars?
When that private company sponsors and coordinates managed meetings and uses the 'outcomes' of those meetings to 1) infer to elected officials that the outcomes represent a broad public consensus concerning the use of public funds, and 2) to somehow fulfill their recognition requirements by some other private company, they are effectively sidestepping normal democratic processes in a representative republic by hiding the truth that they are, in fact, a private lobbying organization.
When that same private group begins publicly taking credit for actions/events for which they provided nothing, the appearance that they are using taxpayer resources solely as a marketing/branding resource takes shape and is repulsive to the citizens.
When an elected official, in a legally and properly convened meeting of an elected government body answers questions regarding activities of the private company by using the term 'we', thereby admitting personal involvement with the private company, the appearance of impropriety emerges. If that same public official denies that the private company takes public funds and then does not recuse but rather votes to give that same company public funds, the former appearance becomes more akin to one of undue influence and cronyism.
Concerns for the public interest only increase when questions in an open, public forum about company ownership, in any venue, are met with bloviation, deflection and hollow defenses. The stubborn silence and secrecy only makes matters worse.
No, Elk Konnected has no requirement to answer in this venue. A moral responsibility? Well, that's another matter, and the questioners are more than willing to let the court of public opinion make their own decision. Elk Konnected, LLC's continued manipulations coupled with stubborn silence speaks volumes.
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 08, 2011, 07:30:17 AM
Just curious...did anyone send these questions to the gmail.com address they had in their article?
Roma Jean, I would suggest that private correspondence between two private parties defeats the need for open, public discussion and disclosure. Such correspondences are easily edited when re-posted in public, and that can lead to nonproductive he said/she said arguments. I, for one, would prefer a very open public discourse.
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So Patriots answer, I am assuming is a NO. Anybody else?
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 08, 2011, 08:56:17 AM
So Patriots answer, I am assuming is a NO. Anybody else?
Roma Jean did you fail to understand Patriots response. To me it was very concise and to the point.
That defeats the need for open, public discussion and disclosure.
I think it is pretty clear what he said. Here it is again, please re-read and try to understand.
They know we are here and they apparently don't wish to communicate with the taxpayers.
I use the word they because they are Anonymous. Even the volunteers/followers/defenders don't know who
THEY are. And to contact Anonymous by e-mail would be fruitless. Do you understand that?
Who are THEY?
Quote from: Patriot on August 08, 2011, 08:05:26 AM
Roma Jean, I would suggest that private correspondence between two private parties defeats the need for open, public discussion and disclosure. Such correspondences are easily edited when re-posted in public, and that can lead to nonproductive he said/she said arguments. I, for one, would prefer a very open public discourse.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion
the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
::)
Quote from: Roma Jean Turner on August 08, 2011, 07:30:17 AM
Just curious...did anyone send these questions to the gmail.com address they had in their article?
YEP no answer.
Wouldn't matter cause even if i did get an answer, and posted it here folks would say i forged it.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 08, 2011, 10:16:15 AM
YEP no answer.
Wouldn't matter cause even if i did get an answer, and posted it here folks would say i forged it.
Thanks for trying, Steve. Guess the lack of honesty & transparency is deeply imbedded.
lYes Steve, Thankyou for simply answering my question. It was a simple question easily answered with a YEs or No. Don't recall asking for any long winded lectures in there anywhere. Just a Yes or No.
To borrow from am earlier post from flintauqua:Quote
"There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. End quote.
So why not respond, to Srkruzich e-mail?
Why not respond to the questions posted on this forum?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are. It would be nice to have some clarification.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
Very interesting reading! So are they for-profit or not-for-profit? If they are not-for-profit, we should be allowed to see records of public funds!
Chapter 45: Public Records, Documents And Information
Article 2: Records Open To Public
Statute 45-240: Recordkeeping requirements for certain not-for-profit entities. (a) Each not-for-profit entity that receives public funds in an aggregated amount of $350 or more per year shall be required to document the receipt and expenditure of such funds. Subject to the provisions of subsection (b), each not-for-profit entity which receives public funds in an aggregated amount of $350 or more per year, shall, upon request, make available to any requester a copy of documentation of the receipt and expenditure of such public funds received by such not-for-profit entity. If such not-for-profit entity's accounting practice does not segregate public funds from other fund sources, the not-for-profit entity's entire accounting of its expenditures and receipts shall be open to the public. The reporting requirements of this section shall commence on the first day of the fiscal year of such not-for-profit entity which occurs on or after July 1, 2005, and continue for each fiscal year thereafter.
(b) (1) Except as provided in paragraph (3), any not-for-profit entity that receives public funds that is required by law or the terms of a grant, contract or other agreement to file a written financial report which includes the receipt of public funds and the expenditure of such funds with an agency of the United States, an agency of this state or any political or taxing subdivision thereof, shall be deemed to have fulfilled the requirements of this section upon filing such report. Otherwise an itemized invoice or statement by the not-for-profit entity of the amount of public funds received and the expenditure therefor shall be deemed to have complied with the requirements of this section when such itemized invoice or statement is filed with an agency of the United States, an agency of this state or any political or taxing subdivision thereof, that provided the public funds to the not-for-profit entity.
(2) Any report referred to in paragraph (1) of this subsection, shall be deemed to be a public record of the agency of this state or any political or taxing subdivision thereof and subject to inspection or disclosure in accordance with the Kansas open records act.
(3) Any not-for-profit entity which receives public funds may file in the office of the secretary of state or make available for review in such not-for-profit entity's office, a copy of the detailed audit or accounting of public funds received by such not-for-profit entity.
(c) Each not-for-profit entity may charge and require advance payment of a reasonable fee for providing access to or furnishing copies of documentation of the receipt and expenditure of public funds as required by this section. Such fee shall be determined in the same manner as for a public agency pursuant to K.S.A. 45-219 and amendments thereto. A fee for copies of documentation of the receipt and expenditure of public funds which is equal to or less than $.25 per page shall be deemed a reasonable fee.
(d) The provisions of this section shall not apply to any:
(1) Health care provider;
(2) individual person;
(3) for profit corporation; or
(4) partnership.
(e) For the purposes of this section: (1) "Health care provider" shall have the meaning ascribed to it in K.S.A. 65-4915 and amendments thereto. Health care provider shall also include any:
(A) Not-for-profit dental service corporation doing business in this state pursuant to K.S.A. 40-19a01 et seq. and amendments thereto;
(B) not-for-profit medical and hospital corporation doing business in this state pursuant to K.S.A. 40-19c01 et seq. and amendments thereto;
(C) indigent health care clinic as such term is defined in K.S.A. 75-6102 and amendments thereto; and
(D) adult care home as such term is defined in K.S.A. 39-923 and amendments thereto.
(2) "Public funds" means any moneys received from the United States, the state of Kansas or any political or taxing subdivision thereof, or any officer, board, commission or agency thereof.
History: L. 2005, ch. 126, § 8; July 1.
So which is it Elk Konnected, LLC? For profit or non-profit? If you are afraid to answer here, you can let the public know in your next "I love me" piece in the Prairie Star or Country Living magazine. Or, just stay silent, and keep taking public funds and using county resources. In the meantime, we'll keep asking: Who are the owners of Elk Konnected, LLC, and what's their private agenda?
I guess they are to bashful to communicate with Elk County citizens,
perhaps that's why the have gone to Greenwood County, what do you think?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Don't think you will get the answers Ross.
They (whoever they are) have perhaps moved on, or just laying low. And, as so eloquently put....we don't have to tell you chit!
Some of us will be waiting for the 'dang ole varmit that keeps taking our (insert ) money/priveleges/bandwidths/taxes/, etc
That is why I was interested.
I can't proove anything...and I don't live in Elk County...however I may think ....and I will get trashed for this:
Something happened in 2009 that went different than expected.
Otherwise, if it is such a great organization....then why the tail-coating on the county's budget (other then a back door loophole?
It should be regenerating funds on it's own merits.
And if they are a great social entity, then I would like to see it spread like wildfire, to bring back new growth, not a burnpile for a one night barb-bque pit.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 10, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
Otherwise, if it is such a great organization....then why the tail-coating on the county's budget (other then a back door loophole? It should be regenerating funds on it's own merits.
And shouldn't be co-opting other county/city employees to do their bidding thus further securing their ride on the taxpayer's dime. Good post, ready.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 10, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
It should be regenerating funds on it's own merits.
And if they are a great social entity, then I would like to see it spread like wildfire, to bring back new growth, not a burnpile for a one night barb-bque pit.
Now, that's a good question Ready, what merit does Elk Konnected have?
What are their actual core values, principles, ethics?
Nice job Ready.
My electricity is out and I don't know how long this battery is going to last, ain"t it fun.
Almost bed time anyway.
Remember the good old days when private organizations had bake sales, pancake feeds n such to raise funds for special activities for kids? Now it's a new breed who are constantly trying to dip into the public trough. At least then the monies raised were given voluntarily instead of taken as taxes under the penalty of law just to be redistributed.
And while were comparing... have the local towns really become more 'konnected' since the inception of Elk Konnected? Has the county grown? Is Elk county better now than it was 4 years ago? Has our overall economy improved? If so, how? I don't see it.
Today it's everyone wanting a handout.
Oh, I just read where two states have passed legislation if you want Welfare you have to pee in the cup.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Ross on August 10, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
Oh, I just read where two states have passed legislation if you want Welfare you have to pee in the cup.
Does that mean Elk Konnected has to pee in the cup? But who would be tested... we can't find out who the owners are. ???
Are you saying that Elk Konnected is the welfare group? It makes sense! Always taking money from taxpayers as they hide in the shadows like cockroaches apparently ashamed or afraid of a can of Raid!
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 11, 2011, 05:35:49 AM
Are you saying that Elk Konnected is the welfare group? It makes sense! Always taking money from taxpayers as they hide in the shadows like cockroaches apparently ashamed or afraid of a can of Raid!
actually with 39k in its pockets, (13k for 3 years) it kinda looks like a slush fund. From what folks have witnessed, hot dogs, tshirts, ect hasn't been 39k in expenditures. Shoot, 39k would have gotten the equipment for every child that went there, and they could have had fun working with beehives and learned something, and even went home with a hive of bees of their own and the beesuit and gear to work them. Theres nothing kooler and faster to get rid of the fear of bees than to walk and work amonst them when they cannot sting you. You learn so much about social behavior from them and you even learn they know their keeper and welcome the interaction between human and bee.
I knew snakes and turtles and birds and iguanas and such have personality. I didn't know bees had personality.
i learn something new every day. Hint, hint.
Elk Konnected won't you please talk with us?
Tell us the answers to the following questions, please.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
What happened to Elk Konnected?
Did it go comatose?
Talk to us Elk Konnected, wake up please.
Tell us:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
Quote from: Ross on August 12, 2011, 04:36:41 PM
What happened to Elk Konnected?
Did it go comatose?
Been really quiet, to be sure.
When a person is comatose they feel no pain
and can not communicate.
But I'll be the good care giver and keep talking maybe that will help.
Take me to your leader, please?
Quote from: Ross on August 10, 2011, 09:19:55 PM
Today it's everyone wanting a handout.
Oh, I just read where two states have passed legislation if you want Welfare you have to pee in the cup.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Here is a very nice handout:
Federal statistics reviewed by The Associated Press show that in 2010, just 227 passengers flew out of Ely while the airline got $1.8 million in subsidies. The travelers paid $70 to $90 for a one-way ticket. The
cost to taxpayers for each ticket: $4,107.
Story at http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-40636161
Elk Konnected won't you please talk with us?
Tell us the answers to the following questions, please.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities? Are you a for-profit or not-for-profit company? Please, let's have a 'community conversation' here on the forum with some openness and truth for ALL to see!
Stay tuned for our next weekly article talking about the action teams and their missions. Elk Konnected will be doing a weekly article about itself in the Prairie Star Newspaper. We are very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process and Public Square Communities LLC. Please feel free to email questions to Elkkonnect@Gmail.com.Come on EK! This is straight from your about me section of your facebook page. You have a large group of people asking questions here. Where better to clear the air, than on a public forum. How about answering some questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities? Are you a for-profit or not-for-profit company? Please, let's have a 'community conversation' here on the forum with some openness and truth for ALL to see!
KSHillbilliys,
I don't believe they mean what they say or they don't understand the meaning of the words.
I.E.:
Community Conversations *****
because they have never really had one?
Use all available communications ******
because they won't use this one?
Positive ******
because they will not give any
positive answers to any civil questions ?
Positive ******
because they will not give any
positive answers to any of the easy questions at the bottom of this post?
We are very open to try and answer any civil questions about us and the process ***** there have been plenty of civil questions right here. And we know they are reading them. Yet, they won't try to answer a single one. Why?
Like the civil questions who is
us? Who are the owners, the members? Not who are the volunteers and followers.
To quote Flintauqua once again. One of Elk Konnected's possible followers or members or owners, perhaps he could clarify which he is?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PM
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. What does the individual or group have to gain (or lose) by the presentation of unadulterated facts or statistical analysis?
Flintauqua why then does Elk Konnected hide behind a cloak of anonymity?
Or why don't they answer some simple questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are. How come????? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMThere are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. What does the individual or group have to gain (or lose) by the presentation of unadulterated facts or statistical analysis?
How true! Especially in the case of this
Hand Out to the County Commissioners, because there is no proof that anyone outside of those that wrote this handout had any input into it! It was all performed behind a cloak of anonymity, Isn't that right Mr. Durbin? So where may I ask do you get "
unadulterated facts or statistical analysis"? Can you tell us who suggested any of the suggestions? Then can you prove it?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMNow as for how this relates to this specific Forum topic. I believe Elk Konnected has been very open about the identity of their members and their agenda. There are posts on this very Forum that list out many active members of Elk Konnected.
You may believe they have been open and you are entitled to your opinion. However our opinion is different from your's. Otherwise, why won't they come forward Mr. Durbin?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMI know the vast majority of the members of Elk Konnected and I believe their motives to be progressive in the classical sense; a change from the status quo to something new and different.
What is new and different than hiding behind cloak of anonymity? Is it the same old "Good old boys network" in disguise? Oh yes, a couple of things are different, like total control of any one attending their so called "Community Conversations" or throw them out, right? The circle of chairs, that to is different isn't it? Writting letters praising themselves, who ever they are, thats new in Elk County isn't it? You say you know the admitted members but won't say who they are or ask them to come forward, why? Mr. Durbin why are they so evasive if it is such a good thing? What are their motives? Please be specific? Better yet have them come onboard the forum and discuss it with the citizens of Elk County, please? Afterall this thread has been
Read 25343 times, just look at the top right hand side of this page. That is far more than any web page Elk Konnected has, so they would get far more coverage here than anywhere else. Don't you think Mr. Durbin?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMNot Radically progressive or even Liberally progressive, but Moderately to Conservatively progressive. If I need to expound on the meaning of the previous sentence, just ask.
Mr. Durbin that statement is open for interpretation and opinion isn't it? My personal opinion and interpretation could be just opposite of yours, right? So could anyone else's! Right?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMFrom the nature and content of your posts, Patriot, I infer that your general political beliefs fall into the Reactionary sector of the spectrum coupled with a fondness for Libertarian or possibly anarcho-capitalistic ideals. Again, if I need to expand upon those terms, just ask.
You are entitled to your opinions and interpretations just as we are. So you again, basically say nothing, right? Are you a politician? The reason, I ask is your statements sound like that of an evasive politician. Mr. Durbin again your interprtation and opinion could be very wrong, don't you see?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMI find that here, on other forums, blog-spots, television news channels, etc political agendas similar to the one I just inferred upon you get presented without the audience being informed as to who or whom is backing that position. I mean Glenn Beck and the like do every now and then slip up and make an off the cuff comment thanking the Koch Brothers or one of their many political hacks, but does the the general public know anymore about their political and economic motives then they do about George Soros'?
You may infer anything your heart desires but that does not make it so, now does it? And we are not any of the things you infer or list in the above statement! Jeeze what a waste of your time to suggest so. We are citizens of Elk County. We have only been asking simple civil questions on this forum about an organization that claims to be there for Elk County! But there are no answers, why?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PMThe lack of transparency is just as bad on the reactionary right side of the political spectrum as it is on the radically liberal left.
Anyone who chastises the motives and transparency of another person or group from behind a cloak of anonymity certainly should not be shocked when labeled a hypocrite.
Charles M. Durbin
And you, Mr. Durbin use flintauqua except on this post where you use your name, right? So you really can't refer to anyone on this forum as a hypocrite, now can you? Unless of course you are including yourself, in my humble opinion.
Take a look at the top left of this post and you see my name Ross not some fictious name, now do you? So to refer to anyone using a fictious name is hypocritical isn't it?
Considering you know so much and none of the followers or volunteers do, would you please answer the following questions and perhaps invite these people to join us on this open forum for the benefit of Elk County and all the little children that Elk Konnected claims to do so much for? Can you do that?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Quote from: Ross on August 15, 2011, 08:58:55 PM
How true! Especially in the case of this Hand Out to the County Commissioners, because there is no proof that anyone outside of those that wrote this handout had any input into it! It was all performed behind a cloak of anonymity, Isn't that right Mr. Durbin? So where may I ask do you get "unadulterated facts or statistical analysis"? Can you tell us who suggested any of the suggestions? Then can you prove it?
You may believe they have been open and you are entitled to your opinion. However our opinion is different from your's. Otherwise, why won't they come forward Mr. Durbin?
What is new and different than hiding behind cloak of anonymity? Is it the same old "Good old boys network" in disguise? Oh yes, a couple of things are different, like total control of any one attending their so called "Community Conversations" or throw them out, right? The circle of chairs, that to is different isn't it? Writting letters praising themselves, who ever they are, thats new in Elk County isn't it? You say you know the admitted members but won't say who they are or ask them to come forward, why? Mr. Durbin why are they so evasive if it is such a good thing? What are their motives? Please be specific? Better yet have them come onboard the forum and discuss it with the citizens of Elk County, please? Afterall this thread has been Read 25343 times, just look at the top right hand side of this page. That is far more than any web page Elk konnected has, so they would get far more coverage her than anywhere else. Don't you think Mr. Durbin?
Mr. Durbin that statement is open for interpretation and opinion isn't it? My personal opinion and interpretation could be just opposite of yours, right? So could anyone else's! Right?
You are entitled to your opinions and interpretations just as we are. So you again, basically say nothing, right? Are you a politician? The reason, I ask is your statements sound like that of an evasive politician. Mr. Durbin again your interprtation and opinion could be very wrong, don't you see?
You may infer anything your heart desires but that does not make it so, now does it? And we are not any of the things you infer or list in the above statement! Jeeze what a waste of your time to suggest so. We are citizens of Elk County. We have only been asking simple questions on this forum about an organization that claims to be there for Elk County! But there are no answers, why?
And you, Mr. Durbin use flintauqua except on this post where you use your name, right? So you really can't refer to anyone on this forum as a hypocrite, now can you? Unless of course you are including yourself, in my humble opinion.
Take a look at the top left of this post and you see my name Ross not some fictious name, now do you? So to refer to anyone using a fictious name is hypocritical isn't it?
Considering you know so much and none of the followers or volunteers do, would you please answer the following questions and perhaps invite these people to join us on this open forum for the benefit of Elk County and all the little children that Elk Konnected claims to do so much for? Can you do that?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Ross you are digging deep to quot Charles posts from 4 months ago. This thread is dead.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 15, 2011, 09:09:10 PM
Ross you are digging deep to quot Charles posts from 4 months ago. This thread is dead.
David
No, David you are wrong, it's still being read, you responded didn't you?
But did you read and learn anything?
Quote from Ross:
No, David you are wrong, it's still being read, you responded didn't you?
Good comeback Ross---and very true
Quote from: Ross on August 15, 2011, 09:16:21 PM
No, David you are wrong, it's still being read, you responded didn't you?
But did you read and learn anything?
I did respond so it is not dead, you are right. Did I learn anything from the thread yes I did and I think others did too. Jarhead is right good comeback. At this point though I think you all are just complaining and have no real resolve to actually take the steps necessary to get your answers. I think you all are just venting your frustrations here on the forum but don't have the resolve to get the answers from your County Commissioners.
David
Speaking of not dead...
Why does Elk county need two budget line items for fun n games? A special budget line item for money reserved for youth activities AND one for parks and recreation?
I know one is mandated & holds revenue received from booze tax (don't know how much there is in that one), but why another $10,000 line item for the kiddies?
Then there's that off budget private grant fund of $13,800+. obtained by the county youth development coordinator for use by Elk Konnected for the summer day Kamp.
And Elk Konnected seems to have their hands (and name) in much of it in one way or another...
Yet we're short (over budget) by something like $14,000 on our state unemployment insurance payments for the year?
Priorities? Who the heck made this years budget? What will next years look like?
How much does Elk Konnected need? EK, how much have you raised outside the courthouse? Does your annual feed fest raise more than the 3 grand or so need to pay dues to Public Square Communities, LLC.? If so, where does the extra go? If not, where (besides the courthouse) do you raise money for all the 'good things' folks say you accomplish? Or is the county (and county employee grant getting) your only source?
Tell us more, Elk Konnected. Inquiring minds wanna know. Enlighten us please.
Quote from: sodbuster on August 15, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
I did respond so it is not dead, you are right. Did I learn anything from the thread yes I did and I think others did too. Jarhead is right good comeback. At this point though I think you all are just complaining and have no real resolve to actually take the steps necessary to get your answers. I think you all are just venting your frustrations here on the forum but don't have the resolve to get the answers from your County Commissioners.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 15, 2011, 09:35:31 PM
I think you all are just venting your frustrations here on the forum but don't have the resolve to get the answers from your County Commissioners.
David two of our County Commissioners sound like Elk Konnected cheerleaders or followers/supporters at the County Commissioners Meeting but don't claim any ownership of Elk Konnected. So are you saying you know something we don't?
I'm not complaining David, I am just asking civil questions. But I can see you have no idea what the difference is between the civil questions and complaining?
As far as flitaqua post somehow I think I failed to read it earlier and respond to it. I just didn't recall his remarks. But I really did enjoy his comment
: Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 03:08:44 PM
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why.
Didn't you enjoy that one?
What is the problem of asking questions David, of an organization that claims to be there to pull Elk County together?
How can they do that behind a cloak of anonymity per flintaqua's quote above?
This thread will continue until some questions are answered and if properly done could become a supportive thread fo Elk Konnected. How does that sound David?
What is so terribly hard to answer about these questions? So do you have the answers you claimed in earlier posts?
You claimed to have great connections didn't you? Here are the civil questions again:
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same? Or are they separate entities?
I'd prefer answers from Elk Konnected David. Is it possible for you to use your influence to get them to come onboard?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Who steers the steering committee? No One! It is what is says it is. The Steering Committee.
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected? No one "owns" it. Each Committe leader reports to the Steering Committee which "oversees" Elk Konnected and/or Elk Konnected LLC
Who is their Leader? There is no "one" leader. The Steering Committee is it's leader. All the Steering Committee members are local people from each different town whose names have already been mentioned on the thread many pages ago.
We are not hiding behind anything. We would like to answer your questions but when you insinuate things without any proof in the name of "getting to the truth" you push away everyone who can answer such questions.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 17, 2011, 12:55:05 PM
Who steers the steering committee? No One! It is what is says it is. The Steering Committee.
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected? No one "owns" it. Each Committe leader reports to the Steering Committee which "oversees" Elk Konnected and/or Elk Konnected LLC
Who is their Leader? There is no "one" leader. The Steering Committee is it's leader. All the Steering Committee members are local people from each different town whose names have already been mentioned on the thread many pages ago.
We are not hiding behind anything. We would like to answer your questions but when you insinuate things without any proof in the name of "getting to the truth" you push away everyone who can answer such questions.
Thank you.
If I understand correctly, you are saying that when Elk Konnected LLC filed with the State of Kansas (via Form DL 51-09 or equivalent), there were no admitted or managing members, as defined by statute identified in any verbal or written agreement. And there are, to this date, no admitted or managing members by agreement who receive personal liability protections from their association with the LLC?
If you are saying there are no admitted members or admitted managing members, then I'm confused, as Kansas law appears to say the very definition of an LLC is an entity with at least one such person:
K.S.A. 17-7663. Definitions. As used in this act unless the context otherwise requires:...
(f) "Limited liability company" and "domestic limited liability company" means a limited liability company formed under the laws of the state of Kansas and having one or more members.
Any explanation you can provide would be helpful.
I'm sure clarification to the above is forthcoming. To save time, there are a couple of other definitions in Kansas law that might be helpful.
K.S.A. 17-7663. Definitions. As used in this act unless the context otherwise requires:...
(g) "Operating agreement" means any agreement, written or oral, of the member or members as to the affairs of a limited liability company and the conduct of its business.
(k) "Manager" means a person who is named as a manager of a limited liability company in, or designated as a manager of, a limited liability company pursuant to an operating agreement or similar instrument under which the limited liability company is formed.
(l) "Member" means a person who has been admitted to a limited liability company as a member as provided in K.S.A. 17-7686, and amendments thereto, or, in the case of a foreign limited liability company, in accordance with the laws of the state or foreign country or other foreign jurisdiction under which the foreign limited liability company is organized.
(m) "Person" means a natural person, partnership (whether general or limited and whether domestic or foreign), limited liability company, foreign limited liability company, trust, estate, association, corporation, custodian, nominee or any other individual or entity in its own or any representative capacity.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 17, 2011, 12:55:05 PM
Who steers the steering committee? No One! It is what is says it is. The Steering Committee.
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected? No one "owns" it. Each Committe leader reports to the Steering Committee which "oversees" Elk Konnected and/or Elk Konnected LLC
Who is their Leader? There is no "one" leader. The Steering Committee is it's leader. All the Steering Committee members are local people from each different town whose names have already been mentioned on the thread many pages ago.
We are not hiding behind anything. We would like to answer your questions but when you insinuate things without any proof in the name of "getting to the truth" you push away everyone who can answer such questions.
So are you a designated representative of Elk Konnected?
Are you designated by the Steering Committee?
Who on the steering committee was responsible for designating you as their representative?
I don't believe anyone has insinuated anything, at least I don't believe I have.
So that strikes me as just an excuse to hide out.
I have only asked questions? And made factual statements.
For example Elk Konnected abused Elk County resourses by placing a web page on the Elk County Government web site.
It was removed after a Commissioner aunt confronted the county commissioners --- fact.
Elk Konnected continued to abuse Elk County resources by using the Elk County emergency call system as their own notification system to announce a cancellation of one of their events until the commissioners were flooded by complaints -- fact. And there were more.
Did Elk Konnected ever apologize to the Elk County taxpaying citizens?
Or is Elk Konnected above apologizing?
Who from Elk Konnected assumes responsibility?
Or do your statements mean that nobody is responsible?
Did Elk Konnected ever make a public apology for dissing Elk Falls?
Does having one or two citizens from each community mean that Elk Konnected thinks it has the full support of everyone in those communities?
What does the editor of the local newspapers remark that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected actually mean?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same?
Why do they call their calls for citizens to gather with them Community Conversations when they are anything but? What I see is a very controlled machine with a facilitator highly trained in manipulation and he isn't even from Elk County.
I don't believe there are any guarantees and since the wind farms are far less than efficient I personally don't believe the sums expressed will ever be realized. Does Elk Konnected realistically believe that the wind farm will be paying the large sums of money in their contract with the county? I truely would like to hear Elk Konnected's opinion. Because that is what lead to the start of this thread. I anxiously await your response.
There are lots of questions and I hope you are Elk Konnected's designated representative and are truely up to answering all the questions. Thank you for coming forward.
Now we see what your true issue is. MONEY, and how much of it your part of the world can get it's hands on. Enel didn't go into this venture for your benefit , or the county's, or the landowner's. They plan on making themselves MONEY.
Wind power far less than efficient? What facts do you base that on? What is their fuel cost? ::) The only instance that they would not honor their contract is if they file bankruptcy. Since there are new windfarms being built everyday, I guess there are a lot of uneducated people out there backing a bad investment. :o :o
What does the wind farm have to do with Elk Konnected LLC ? Are you afraid your chunk of Elk county's new money is going to be ferreted away? Talk to the commissioners, not EK.
This grumbling and backbiting between one town and the other in this county is exactly what Elk Konnected LLC set out to rectify , but the people like you keep the "old way is fine" mentality alive. Did the children from your area not enjoy the activities made possible by EK ? Have you asked any of them?
Questions.
And Patriot, I'm sure you know that an LLC can file and operate with only one person. And you know that the person listed is Mr Fish. ;)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Now we see what your true issue is. MONEY, and how much of it your part of the world can get it's hands on. Enel didn't go into this venture for your benefit , or the county's, or the landowner's. They plan on making themselves MONEY.
Talk about a fabrication that's a good one saying my main issue is money. That is just a vicious bully for you. Have you read this thread it's about openess and honesty on the part of Elk Konnected that's my main issue. And what was the name of this thread? Was it not Elk Konnected that had the big meeting to control discussions of what the county money should be spent on. No sir, you are completely wrong. I am not interested in the money for myself. I am interested in honesty and openness on the part of those that are, namely Elk Konnected, see the list page one of this thread, please. Nobody knows who's brilliant idea's are on page one, not even you, right?
So, how in the world do we know they were not just fabricated? Was Elk Konnected elected to speak on my behalf or anyone else's behalf in Elk County? I don't remember the organization being on the ballot.
To quote flintauqua again:
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 04:08:44 pm
There are always individuals or
small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why.
No, I did not list his opinion, nor my opinion because every person has their own opinion. I also did not twist the words.
But let me ask you isn't Elk Konnected a
very, very small group of individuals?
How can you have an organization with out any membership? How can an organization with only a few followers document and speak honestly and openly for the citizens of Elk County? With what authority?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Wind power far less than efficient? What facts do you base that on? What is their fuel cost? ::) The only instance that they would not honor their contract is if they file bankruptcy. Since there are new windfarms being built everyday, I guess there are a lot of uneducated people out there backing a bad investment. :o :o
Referring to the efficiency of their output. Do you seriously think that the wind blows continuously?
Do you seriously think that the wind blows at a constant speed to provide optimum electrical output?
There is no fuel cost, however the cost is extensive to the taxpayer. Have you heard of the stimulus moneys,
Hav you heard of the energy money from the government --- ouch --- taxpayers money. Have you heard where the main profits go? --- try Italy.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
What does the wind farm have to do with Elk Konnected LLC ? Are you afraid your chunk of Elk county's new money is going to be ferreted away? Talk to the commissioners, not EK.
Once again did you fail to notice the name of this thread? And you are a supervisor, where?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
This grumbling and backbiting between one town and the other in this county is exactly what Elk Konnected LLC set out to rectify , but the people like you keep the "old way is fine" mentality alive. Did the children from your area not enjoy the activities made possible by EK ? Have you asked any of them?
How by:
Quote from page 1 of this thread, the Community Conversation Committee Report
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
I noticed the word centralized in that document many times. What does that mean? Does that mean centralized in Howard?
Which just makes it sound like this is a disguise for hiding and keeping the "old way is fine" mentality.
How? By backbiting the way they have? How, by patting themselves on the back? How, by throwing people out of Community Conversations controlled by a highly trained manipulator of people called a facilitator from a county clear across Kansas. That's not much of a Community Conversation IMHO.
What activity did Elk Konnected offer? Oh, are you're talking about the lollipops that have been discussed in this thread, right? Be specific, please? Was it with taxpayers money? Was it paid for with a grant provided to the citizens of Elk County and it's government?
We as a County have a paid Employee whose job it is to provide for our children's activities or perhaps you are suggesting we could do well with out her position as Youth Services?
I am so sorry for you getting so upset over a few civil and legitimate questions.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Now we see what your true issue is. MONEY, and how much of it your part of the world can get it's hands on. Enel didn't go into this venture for your benefit , or the county's, or the landowner's. They plan on making themselves MONEY.
Wind power far less than efficient? What facts do you base that on? What is their fuel cost? ::) The only instance that they would not honor their contract is if they file bankruptcy. Since there are new windfarms being built everyday, I guess there are a lot of uneducated people out there backing a bad investment. :o :o
What does the wind farm have to do with Elk Konnected LLC ? Are you afraid your chunk of Elk county's new money is going to be ferreted away? Talk to the commissioners, not EK.
This grumbling and backbiting between one town and the other in this county is exactly what Elk Konnected LLC set out to rectify , but the people like you keep the "old way is fine" mentality alive. Did the children from your area not enjoy the activities made possible by EK ? Have you asked any of them?
Questions.
And Patriot, I'm sure you know that an LLC can file and operate with only one person. And you know that the person listed is Mr Fish. ;)
THis new way is unethical. Mixing government with private corp to where they are entertwined is fascism
To: Ross, and all other Forum readers
Subject: Charles Durbin aka Flintauqua
In the last few days you have been using parts of a thread authored by Flintauqua from April, in what I can assure you, is fully out of context.
You have used it numerous times now in a way that makes it sound like he was critical of Elk Konnected for "hiding behind the cloak of anonymity". That couldn't be farther from the truth. His comments at the time were directed at Patriot, who to this day continues to hide behind such a cloak. Oh, he has finally put out enough information about himself that most of those following this thread and others he participates in know his true identity, but I have yet to ever see him fully state his name on this forum. If he has, and I missed it, I sincerely apologize here and now.
For the record, my brother Charles and I have not corresponded in any fashion for over 10 days, so do not think that he has put me up to doing this for him. This post is entirely my own doing.
Dan D. Durbin
Winfield, KS.
Show us facts that the windfarm is gleaning taxpayers dollars as you say . ??? You have yet to cite any facts or figures. Only your paranoid conjecture.
It doesn't matter how the wind blows. Do you expect to convince people that it is not a viable source of energy? Do you know what the word Kansas means in native tongue? I won't tell you , look it up.
I guess the boy scouts are fascists , mixing private with government. You are really out of touch, Screwzich. From what Iv'e read of your posts, you are both on disability and thus , living off of the taxpayers. You both have posted your sad stories about how hard you've had it . I guess no one else has had to deal with difficulty, but , no, what is the state motto. ::) I don't expect someone from Georgia to know it.
The windfarm has nothing to do with your rederick . Stick to the fact that you accuse people of embezzling money from the county, falsely. Your lucky they aren't charging you with liable.
Money going to Italy? Where do you get your bullshit?
You continually spew the same conjecture with absolutly no facts , or clue.
Oh, and I'm such a bully, just because I don't agree with you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Now we see what your true issue is. MONEY, and how much of it your part of the world can get it's hands on.
Gee, "your part of the world" sounds terribly much like a class warfare statement. Hmmm. Whose part of the world, exactly?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
And Patriot, I'm sure you know that an LLC can file and operate with only one person. And you know that the person listed is Mr Fish. ;)
I think the statute is clear that one person can comprise the entire membership of an LLC. It also is clear that the role of Registered Agent is that of a point of contact for mailing address and service of legal process. That designation, in no way, makes the person filling that role an admitted member. The designation of membership is generally accomplished via the Organizational Agreement.
Are you asserting that Elk Konnected, LLC is a single member LLC and that Mr Fish is that sole member?
Only that you know , that is all that is required.
Not a class warfare, a county warfare. Anyone in this county knows about the bad blood concerning schools, rerpresentation, etc. Some time down the line , everyone is going to have to work together and accept the changes that will be necessary , monentarily , to continue as Elk County. I don't care who gets what if it is economical. I have seen the same scenario play out before. It's not going to make everyone happy.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 10:11:11 PM
Only that you know , that is all that is required.
Required? Required by whom? Know? Know what? That an LLC can be a one horse operation? And?
Were I interested in suing an LLC, knowledge of the registered agent and his/her address would be both relevant and readily available as a matter of public record. However, knowing the name & address of the EK registered agent in no way adds to this discussion. Since you didn't confirm that Mr Fish is an admitted or managing member of Elk Konnected, LLC, we must assume that this discussion has not been in any way advanced by your circular input.
So much for yet another attempt at rational, fact based discussion. Evasion of fact really doesn't improve EK's public image at all. Be sure to play again later.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
Show us facts that the windfarm is gleaning taxpayers dollars as you say . ??? You have yet to cite any facts or figures. Only your paranoid conjecture.
You would have to be ignorant not to realize the subsidies provided to renewable energy, green energy?
But really this thread is about "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 (Read 25686 times)".
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
It doesn't matter how the wind blows. Do you expect to convince people that it is not a viable source of energy? Do you know what the word Kansas means in native tongue? I won't tell you , look it up.
So are you a native American or is there some real significance to that statement? Kansas is the Sioux Indian word for "south wind people." And did you know there are different wind zones in Kansas? And did you know our wind zone is not the strongest wind zone? So which wind zone were the native Americans refering to? But what does that have to do with the subject, "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting"?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
I guess the boy scouts are fascists , mixing private with government. You are really out of touch, Screwzich. From what Iv'e read of your posts, you are both on disability and thus , living off of the taxpayers. You both have posted your sad stories about how hard you've had it . I guess no one else has had to deal with difficulty, but , no, what is the state motto. ::) I don't expect someone from Georgia to know it.
Myself, I was forced on disability retirement by the Federal Government, I for personal reasons had planned to work until I was at least 70 years old. However, when given lemons you make lemonade. It's all about attitude, not the disability, don't you see? I do wish to make it clear to you that I am no longer on disability for my disability and if you must know I am now on social security which I paid into for nearly 50 years.
And sir there is nothing shameful for being having a disability it disgraceful to put people down for their disability. Simply shameful!
As far as the boy scouts, do you see them trying to Influence the complete budgeting process of the government or even our Elk County Government? But again the subject is "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting"? Not the boy scouts.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
The windfarm has nothing to do with your rederick . Stick to the fact that you accuse people of embezzling money from the county, falsely. Your lucky they aren't charging you with liable.
I believe you informed me that all my post were being printed and might be used for such an action, if it wasn't you it was someone else but no such action has happened. But here comes the insinuation again, right? I have not accused anyone of embezzlement.
Again the subject of this thread is "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting", isn't it?
Rederick what an interesting word! Though the definition of "the disingenuous use of language to manipulate people" is often implied in the use of the word, "rederick". I could not find a complete definition of it, it appears to be a word that is no longer in use. That really sounds like a facilitator, right?
Like the facilitator at the Community Conversations!
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
Money going to Italy? Where do you get your bullshit?
Enel, I believe is/or is owned by a company in Italy. I posted that information in an earlier post in this thread. Go do your own research if you don't believe mine. Google it, if you please?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
You continually spew the same conjecture with absolutly no facts , or clue.
I ask questions and apparently that upsets you, why?
And again I quote your statement without opinions attached:
"There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why."And the subject, "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 ".
Quote from: Jefe de on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
Oh, and I'm such a bully, just because I don't agree with you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No sir, I invite disagreement, it's attitude, that is the bullying. By twisting things to make this thread about me and accusing me of being interested in the money, which is not true. Personally I doubt Elk County will see the amount of funding that is written. Actually this thread is about "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 ". Bullying just doesn't work, especially when it is recognized, now does it?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 10:11:11 PM
Only that you know , that is all that is required.
Not a class warfare, a county warfare. Anyone in this county knows about the bad blood concerning schools, rerpresentation, etc. Some time down the line , everyone is going to have to work together and accept the changes that will be necessary , monentarily , to continue as Elk County. I don't care who gets what if it is economical. I have seen the same scenario play out before. It's not going to make everyone happy.
Why can't you simply accept our form of County and City Governments?
Why can't you work with in the system?
Why can't you stand in front of them and voice your opinion like an average citizen?
Why do we need Elk Konnected to try to represent a very few people as if they represent the whole of the population?
Why are you so defensive of Elk Konnected?
Do you actually believe that because Elk Konnected having one or two followers from each community that, that represents the whole community?
Do you believe that Elk Konnected should be controlling or influencing our County and City governments?
Is Elk Konnected a political action committee?
Quote from: Ross on August 17, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
For example Elk Konnected abused Elk County resourses by placing a web page on the Elk County Government web site.
It was removed after a Commissioner aunt confronted the county commissioners --- fact.
Elk Konnected continued to abuse Elk County resources by using the Elk County emergency call system as their own notification system to announce a cancellation of one of their events until the commissioners were flooded by complaints -- fact. And there were more.
Elk Konnected only acts as an advisory board to the community. At the Community Conversations, if enough people say they would like to see something improved or changed in our community, Elk Konnected trys to get enough people who have the same interests or desires together to create of positive change for this place that we all love to live in. They may act as an advisory board to the Commissoners, the school board, the city councils, the Chambers of Commerce, the churches, etc, etc, etc. They have absolutely no control over any of these groups. Yes, there are people in each of these groups or organizations who also "belong" to Elk Konnected, but again, I repeat-Elk Konnected has no authority or power over any of these groups.
The website and emergency call system issues have been resolved long ago, as complaints were expressed and the issues got changed. That's what Elk Konnected does! Don't you get it? When we work together, things get better. As a taxpayer, not an Elk Konnected member, I ask you this, how did this abuse Elk County resources? Did it cost the county anything to use these already established systems to inform the taxpayers of things that may interest them? But since it was frowned upon by some, the issues were resolved, so can you please just let it go?
Quote from: Ross on August 17, 2011, 03:42:00 PM
Who from Elk Konnected assumes responsibility?
Or do your statements mean that nobody is responsible?
Does having one or two citizens from each community mean that Elk Konnected thinks it has the full support of everyone in those communities?
What does the editor of the local newspapers remark that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected actually mean?
Are Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC one and the same?
Why do they call their calls for citizens to gather with them Community Conversations when they are anything but? What I see is a very controlled machine with a facilitator highly trained in manipulation and he isn't even from Elk County.
I don't believe there are any guarantees and since the wind farms are far less than efficient I personally don't believe the sums expressed will ever be realized. Does Elk Konnected realistically believe that the wind farm will be paying the large sums of money in their contract with the county? I truely would like to hear Elk Konnected's opinion. Because that is what lead to the start of this thread. I anxiously await your response.
Who from Elk Konnected claims responsibility for what? What have they done?
Just because one person from a group says or does something doesn't mean that is what the group or even that person actually meant to say or do. For instance, if one of my employees gets drunk, does that mean that my company condones it? Unless it is said or done 'on the job' they two are not one.
Does having one or two citizens from each community mean that Elk Konnected thinks it has the full support of everyone in those communities? No it doesn't, in the same way that electing a president doesn't mean that the whole county is in full support. It is impossible to please everyone. It is unrealistic to ever get everyone on board with anything. Elk Konnected's model of some from each community is a good way to at least try to reach as many different ideas as possible.
As for if Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected LLC being one, that has been addressed by me and others on this thread many pages ago.
As for what it means that the newspaper editor is "Konnected". Maybe it means he likes our little community and wants to see the best for us. Does it have to mean anymore than that?
Why can't we be a positive community and work together to improve our community rather that negative and spinning our wheels?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
I guess the boy scouts are fascists , mixing private with government. You are really out of touch, Screwzich. From what Iv'e read of your posts, you are both on disability and thus , living off of the taxpayers. You both have posted your sad stories about how hard you've had it . I guess no one else has had to deal with difficulty, but , no, what is the state motto. ::) I don't expect someone from Georgia to know it.
No i'm living off what i paid into social security.
QuoteThe windfarm has nothing to do with your rederick . Stick to the fact that you accuse people of embezzling money from the county, falsely. Your lucky they aren't charging you with liable.
At least i know how to spell rhetoric! Is that a result of some of the Elk County education system or some other government institution.
At least Ross knew the word that was meant, not rhetoric ::) , rederick. Is that a result of home schooling?
And ,Ross, you brought the windfarm into the conversation, and though I could have said what you quoted, Flintaqua was the actual composer. Perhaps you were a bit sleepy.
Quote from: Patriot on August 17, 2011, 01:46:12 PM
Thank you.
If I understand correctly, you are saying that when Elk Konnected LLC filed with the State of Kansas (via Form DL 51-09 or equivalent), there were no admitted or managing members, as defined by statute identified in any verbal or written agreement. And there are, to this date, no admitted or managing members by agreement who receive personal liability protections from their association with the LLC?
If you are saying there are no admitted members or admitted managing members, then I'm confused, as Kansas law appears to say the very definition of an LLC is an entity with at least one such person:
Any explanation you can provide would be helpful.
No response to date.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
And Patriot, I'm sure you know that an LLC can file and operate with only one person. And you know that the person listed is Mr Fish. ;)
Quote from: Patriot on August 17, 2011, 09:53:06 PM
I think the statute is clear that one person can comprise the entire membership of an LLC. It also is clear that the role of Registered Agent is that of a point of contact for mailing address and service of legal process. That designation, in no way, makes the person filling that role an admitted member. The designation of membership is generally accomplished via the Organizational Agreement.
Are you asserting that Elk Konnected, LLC is a single member LLC and that Mr Fish is that sole member?
Still no straight answers.
Interesting how, once again, simple questions are totally ignored in favor of a ton of drivel & deflection. It's not a lack of 'politeness' on the part of those asking questions that prolongs this mess.... it's a lack of valid, civil answers. Avoiding the issues won't make them go away.
To dispel some of your miscalculation. I have no affiliation with EK, or the county, other than being a taxpayer in Elk county (unlike some of your "cheerleaders", to quote Ross.) So now what 8)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 18, 2011, 09:17:47 AM
To dispel some of your miscalculation. I have no affiliation with EK, or the county, other than being a taxpayer in Elk county (unlike some of your "cheerleaders", to quote Ross.) So now what 8)
Now what?
Now we accept your admitted ignorance and lack of any factual knowledge. Now we ascribe no validity to your vain, self serving and unproductive attempts to add to this discussion, realizing that you only seek to disrupt the conversation rather than advance it. Now we assess your lack of knowledge of business structures. Now we accept you for what you claim to be... a taxpayer with nothing of value to add here, providing only distractions & personal attacks.
Now we assign a meaningful and accurate value to most, if not all, of your input on the subject at hand: Zero.
jprxmkt? My request for clarification stands.
QuoteInteresting how, once again, simple questions are totally ignored in favor of a ton of drivel & deflection. It's not a lack of 'politeness' on the part of those asking questions that prolongs this mess.... it's a lack of valid, civil answers. Avoiding the issues won't make them go away.
actually it's the lack of what YOU want the answers to BE that keeps this goin..........You and Ross have decided you're Batman and Robin out to foil the Joker or Mr. Freeze LOL which one of ya gets to drive the Batmobile??? Which one gets the cool mask? Which one has to wear the elf lookin tights??
QuoteMy request for clarification stands.
CLARIFICATION?!?! You don't want no steeeenking clarification!!! LOL
save the "cutting" sarcasm on my intelligence and lack of interest I see comin ;D it will "detract from the purpose of this conversation" LOLOL
Yes, Mr Fish, as has already been stated many times, filed the paperwork with the State. I'm not understanding why this is a big deal. Anyone that files with the state does not list all affiliated member when they file the paperwork. Are you saying that all people who help or make the decisions in an organization have to have their name on that paperwork? That simply is not true. Just because Jefe doesn't belong to either organization doesn't mean he can't have an opinion. That is why Elk Konnected is needed in this community. It wants to hear all opinions and ideas to get the general consensus, the "heartbeat" of the community.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Yes, Mr Fish, as has already been stated many times, filed the paperwork with the State. I'm not understanding why this is a big deal. Anyone that files with the state does not list all affiliated member when they file the paperwork. Are you saying that all people who help or make the decisions in an organization have to have their name on that paperwork?
No, that's not what I'm saying. Anyone can file the paperwork yet have no ownership standing. A reading of the appropriate statutes makes that clear. The LLC must have at least one person with ownership standing. Are you saying that Mr Fish is that person?
The Registered Agent (RA) of an LLC doesn't automatically translate to admitted member status. If you are saying that Mr. Fish, in addition to being the registered agent, is an admitted member (owner), then so be it. Any person can be designated as a registered agent (attorney, accountant, next door neighbor, etc.). The RA is simply a mail stop. We are inquiring about admitted members/managers having authority to do things officially in the company name (sign leases, contracts, checks, etc.) and bind the company as owner(s). Are you asserting that Mr. Fish, in addition to being the RA, is one with those owner powers?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Elk Konnected only acts as an advisory board to the community. At the Community Conversations, if enough people say they would like to see something improved or changed in our community, Elk Konnected trys to get enough people who have the same interests or desires together to create of positive change for this place that we all love to live in. They may act as an advisory board to the Commissoners, the school board, the city councils, the Chambers of Commerce, the churches, etc, etc, etc. They have absolutely no control over any of these groups. Yes, there are people in each of these groups or organizations who also "belong" to Elk Konnected, but again, I repeat-Elk Konnected has no authority or power over any of these groups.
So Elk Konnected is a non entity with only a few personal opinions that are used to influence our local governments. Which should qualify them as a political action committee, right? By advising, Elk Konnected in my opinion is influencing.
Isn't that part of the reason for closing schools.
Wasn't the goal to build a full school campus for the City of Howard?
Hasn't Howard and Elk Konnected attempted to influence Howard's move of their city limits to encompass the school?
Isn't the West Elk School campus frequently referred to as Howard West Elk especially on Elk Konnected's facebook. After all Elk Konnected says on it's Facebook that it went to school at Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High doesn't it?
Someone even started a facebook page called Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High here is the link. https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Howard-West-Elk-Junior-Senior-High/110732235613485 .
So you or your organization doesn't take responsibility of making it all about Howard I guess?
Oh, wasn't Elk Konnected trying to influence the $5.5 million bond issue? This during one of the worst economical periods of our times. How does that make sense? Today we are hearing that another recession may be starting and I don't believe we have came out of the present recession.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
The website and emergency call system issues have been resolved long ago, as complaints were expressed and the issues got changed. That's what Elk Konnected does! Don't you get it? When we work together, things get better. As a taxpayer, not an Elk Konnected member, I ask you this, how did this abuse Elk County resources? Did it cost the county anything to use these already established systems to inform the taxpayers of things that may interest them? But since it was frowned upon by some, the issues were resolved, so can you please just 'slet it go?
Yes I get it, no one is responsible. They do something wrong and then correct it because of complaints, that makes it all better, right. No body is responsible to apologize to the people they inconvenienced or to apologize to the taxpayer or community. It's just okay because a few, very few people do as they want ignoring rules and ethics. Okay I got it. It was not frowned upon by some but by many that are not Elk Konnected. Let it go, no apology to the county? Okay, for now. But the emergency call system was not the only problem was it? What will Elk Konnected do next, especially when no one is responsible?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Who from Elk Konnected claims responsibility for what? What have they done?
Just because one person from a group says or does something doesn't mean that is what the group or even that person actually meant to say or do. For instance, if one of my employees gets drunk, does that mean that my company condones it? Unless it is said or done 'on the job' they two are not one.
See paragraph above where you outline one wrong doing. We are not talking about drunks or your company now are we. We are talking about an apparent Political Action Committee per your above statements, I believe. Advisory group in my opinion equals influence, influence of school board's, County Government, City Council's equals a Political Action Group don't you think? But it has no membership and very few volunteers/followers what's with that?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Does having one or two citizens from each community mean that Elk Konnected thinks it has the full support of everyone in those communities? No it doesn't, in the same way that electing a president doesn't mean that the whole county is in full support. It is impossible to please everyone. It is unrealistic to ever get everyone on board with anything. Elk Konnected's model of some from each community is a good way to at least try to reach as many different ideas as possible.
Elk Konnected was not elected now was it? It was formed with no one responsible for it actions.
Nobody know's who's ideas they are, why? Why is it all secret? Are you telling me everyone is ashamed to speak up and be heard, everyone except Elk Konnected? Elk Konnected appears to only want to please a few IMHO.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
As for if Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected LLC being one, that has been addressed by me and others on this thread many pages ago.
I just read the head line n the front page of the paper that Elk Konnected closing their Wellness Center August 31st. That speaks volumes of their abilities. Open up what Elk Konnected thinks the community needs based on their own advise and it fails. Use grant funding to operate a business and fail. Shut it down. So this makes Elk Konnected's advice valuable to who? So I guess that ende Elk Konnected, LLC ---right?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
As for what it means that the newspaper editor is "Konnected". Maybe it means he likes our little community and wants to see the best for us. Does it have to mean anymore than that?
I didn't ask if he is "Konnected" I asked what his affiliation is? The Merriam Webster definition is af·fil·i·at·ed adj \-lē-ˌā-təd\definition of affiliated : closely associated with another typically in a dependent or subordinate position <the university and its affiliated medical school. So, what is his subordinate position?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 08:01:49 AM
Why can't we be a positive community and work together to improve our community rather that negative and spinning our wheels?
That's an excellent idea. But is it a requirement to be Elk Konnected positive? After all, all that Elk Konnected positive is closing down a business they positively thought the community needed the "Wellness Center."
Can't we as individuals positively address our various governments or doe we positively have to have Elk Konnected speak for us. Is individuality suppose to die.
But two more question, what is positive about Elk Konnected taking credit for what the Elk County Government does? How does that improve the community?
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Yes, Mr Fish, as has already been stated many times, filed the paperwork with the State. I'm not understanding why this is a big deal. Anyone that files with the state does not list all affiliated member when they file the paperwork. Are you saying that all people who help or make the decisions in an organization have to have their name on that paperwork? That simply is not true. Just because Jefe doesn't belong to either organization doesn't mean he can't have an opinion. That is why Elk Konnected is needed in this community. It wants to hear all opinions and ideas to get the general consensus, the "heartbeat" of the community.
So Elk Konnected is an "IT", wow.
"heartbeat" ??? A very, very few people.
While using a facilitator
Rederick what an interesting word! Though the definition of "the disingenuous use of language to manipulate people" is often implied in the use of the word, "rederick". I could not find a complete definition of it, it appears to be a word that is no longer in use. That really sounds like a facilitator, right?
To quote Java:
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 17, 2011, 09:33:09 PM
The windfarm has nothing to do with your rederick .
I did remind him this thread is not about the windfarm per se.
I like the word, I think it fits don't you?
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 18, 2011, 09:58:45 AM
actually it's the lack of what YOU want the answers to BE that keeps this goin..........You and Ross have decided you're Batman and Robin out to foil the Joker or Mr. Freeze LOL which one of ya gets to drive the Batmobile??? Which one gets the cool mask? Which one has to wear the elf lookin tights??
CLARIFICATION?!?! You don't want no steeeenking clarification!!! LOL
save the "cutting" sarcasm on my intelligence and lack of interest I see comin ;D it will "detract from the purpose of this conversation" LOLOL
Welcome back thatsMRSc2u , always a pleasure to hear from you.
You my dear have apparently designated us as Batman and Robin which is quit comical.
We all need a laugh once in awhile and you my dear provide that, well.
Too bad you don't have any real answers.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 10:05:00 AM
Yes, Mr Fish, as has already been stated many times, filed the paperwork with the State. I'm not understanding why this is a big deal. Anyone that files with the state does not list all affiliated member when they file the paperwork. Are you saying that all people who help or make the decisions in an organization have to have their name on that paperwork? That simply is not true. Just because Jefe doesn't belong to either organization doesn't mean he can't have an opinion. That is why Elk Konnected is needed in this community. It wants to hear all opinions and ideas to get the general consensus, the "heartbeat" of the community.
Is there still be a need for an Elk Konnected, LLC with the closure of Elk Konnected's Wellness Center on August 31st?
Ross....seriously....DON'T call me dear or hon or any of those other names that drive me nuts...I'd just as soon you come right out and call me a stupid bitch as call me dear.
I have had some info and agreed to leave this alone so DONT patronize me.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 18, 2011, 02:59:22 PM
Ross....seriously....DON'T call me dear or hon or any of those other names that drive me nuts...I'd just as soon you come right out and call me a stupid bitch as call me dear.
I have had some info and agreed to leave this alone so DONT patronize me.
So you're allowed to patronize others but others aren't allowed to patronize you? ::) Ehh, whatever... carry on.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on August 18, 2011, 02:59:22 PM
Ross....seriously....DON'T call me dear or hon or any of those other names that drive me nuts...I'd just as soon you come right out and call me a stupid bitch as call me dear.
I have had some info and agreed to leave this alone so DONT patronize me.
I'm sorry but I could never be so rude as to call you such a thing.
Did you hear Elk Konnected is closing their Elk Konnected Wellness Center, August 31st?
How do you suppose they can pretend to know about county and city governments business when they can't take care of their own. And they made those decissions as a committee? Do you reckon they might shut down our county government with similar committee's and decisions and suggestions? Just asking you opinion?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 17, 2011, 08:54:45 PM
To: Ross, and all other Forum readers
Subject: Charles Durbin aka Flintauqua
In the last few days you have been using parts of a thread authored by Flintauqua from April, in what I can assure you, is fully out of context.
You have used it numerous times now in a way that makes it sound like he was critical of Elk Konnected for "hiding behind the cloak of anonymity". That couldn't be farther from the truth. His comments at the time were directed at Patriot, who to this day continues to hide behind such a cloak. Oh, he has finally put out enough information about himself that most of those following this thread and others he participates in know his true identity, but I have yet to ever see him fully state his name on this forum. If he has, and I missed it, I sincerely apologize here and now.
For the record, my brother Charles and I have not corresponded in any fashion for over 10 days, so do not think that he has put me up to doing this for him. This post is entirely my own doing.
Dan D. Durbin
Winfield, KS.
The quote was not intended to make him appear to be critical of Elk Konnected. It was intended to show the Legitimacy of the questions on this thread. The reason for the quote was to provide credit for the person that provided the statement. I also explained clearly that I did not include any personal opinions. I believe everyone on this forum is aware of his defensiveness of Elk Konnected. I doubt even if I wanted to, that I could cinvence anyone other wise. Which would be foolish to even try.
I hope that clears thing up.
Quote from: Ross on August 18, 2011, 03:34:00 PM
The quote was not intended to make him appear to be critical of Elk Konnected. It was intended to show the Legitimacy of the questions on this thread. The reason for the quote was to provide credit for the person that provided the statement. I also explained clearly that I did not include any personal opinions. I believe everyone on this forum is aware of his defensiveness of Elk Konnected. I doubt even if I wanted to, that I could cinvence anyone other wise. Which would be foolish to even try.
I hope that clears thing up.
Ross, wether you used it to make people think I was being critical of EK, or to "show the legitimacy of the questions on this thread", you used my quoted words COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT! The words you quoted were about Patriots over-the-top desire for anonymity, and had absolutely nothing to do with EK.
Do you even understand how underhanded it is to take the words of others out of context and then use them to try and justify a postion of yours on a completley different subject? You say in your self-agrandizing manner that you don't "twist" words, yet you do it even when you are called out about doing it.
And yet you continue to wonder why EK wont be 'engaged' in a conversation with you, day after day after day, wasting more and more of Teresa and Kjells server space! :P
Also in regards to this flight of fancy perpetrated by you earlier:
Quote from: Ross on August 18, 2011, 07:10:19 AM
I ask questions and apparently that upsets you, why?
And again I quote your statement without opinions attached:
"There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why."And the subject, "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 ".
Which was in response to a statement by Jefe de vaca:
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on Yesterday at 10:33:09 pm
You continually spew the same conjecture with absolutly no facts , or cl
I ask questions and apparently that upsets you, why?
And again I quote your statement without opinions attached:
"There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why."And the subject, "Topic: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25 ".
I'm sure that this was just a tiny little mistake on your part, completely innocuous, and not a completly naked attempt to deceive people by insinuating that Jefe de vaca and flintauqua are one and the same! :P ::) >:(
This is me as a taxpayer, not speaking from Elk Konnected: Ross, has everything you ever done in your life been a complete success? The way you discuss the Wellness Center closing you act as if your whole life and every part of it has always been the way you wanted it to turn out. Just because it did not have enough membership to support it's expenses does not mean that it should not have been attempted. Since 1995 when we moved back here, I personally have been hearing from various places that we needed a fitness center. It was still being talked about when Elk Konnected started. That's why it was attempted. Until you have no disappointing outcomes in your life, you shouldn't cast stones.
Amazing, simply amazing. People here have complained that those asking questions are uncivilized and somehow threatening. Yet I could swear I've asked a couple of very simple, direct questions and attempted to seek clarifications in just the last 24 hours or so. Both without accusatory tone or inference.
Do we see clear, civil responses, or even answers of "I don't know"? No, we see the usual detractors spiraling off into long winded personal attacks and unrelated discussions of semantics. I submit that such responses are reactionary diversions aimed at avoiding relevant facts. Not unlike children who, when caught unawares having knowledge of some wrongdoing, want to discuss anything but the main issue or want to endlessly deflect responsibility.
I'll try again. Please, jprxmkt, are you saying that Mr Fish has some role as an admitted member/manager of Elk Konnected, LLC, other than the simple role of Registered Agent, both as defined by Kansas law?
Thank you in advance for a concise answer.
[quote author=Patriot
Now we accept your admitted ignorance and lack of any factual knowledge. Now we ascribe no validity to your vain, self serving and unproductive attempts to add to this discussion, realizing that you only seek to disrupt the conversation rather than advance it. Now we assess your lack of knowledge of business structures. Now we accept you for what you claim to be... a taxpayer with nothing of value to add here, providing only distractions & personal attacks.
Now we assign a meaningful and accurate value to most, if not all, of your input on the subject at hand: Zero.
[/quote]
Wow, a little egg on your face Patsy? How did someone so supremely intelligent think I was part of EK? :o I would think since you know so much about what I know or don't know you would have seen that from the start. Or did you get fooled by the facts? "just a taxpayer with nothing of value to add here" ::) kind of how you feel about anyone not in your sinking ship, eh.I wonder what the other taxpayers think about that. ::) "personal attacks", I guess your drivel here isn't. ??? Yes, I am an admitted ignoramus without any knowledge in my body, sadly, my father was the scarecrow in the "Wizard of Oz" :D
I have no desire to add to you and Robin's so-called "discussion" Batman. Just like seeing you waste your time.
Tag me out Sodbuster, I just got hit with a " folding chair" :P
Speaking of un-productive attempts, how about this Wellness Center thing?
How much government money/grant money was invested in that losing deal. Or did the Steering Committee members
put up the money for that one?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 18, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
Wow, a little egg on your face Patsy?
Nope.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 18, 2011, 05:52:56 PM
Yes, I am an admitted ignoramus without any knowledge...
Like I said: Zero.
Quote from: Patriot on August 18, 2011, 10:44:10 AM
No, that's not what I'm saying. Anyone can file the paperwork yet have no ownership standing. A reading of the appropriate statutes makes that clear. The LLC must have at least one person with ownership standing. Are you saying that Mr Fish is that person?
The Registered Agent (RA) of an LLC doesn't automatically translate to admitted member status. If you are saying that Mr. Fish, in addition to being the registered agent, is an admitted member (owner), then so be it. Any person can be designated as a registered agent (attorney, accountant, next door neighbor, etc.). The RA is simply a mail stop. We are inquiring about admitted members/managers having authority to do things officially in the company name (sign leases, contracts, checks, etc.) and bind the company as owner(s). Are you asserting that Mr. Fish, in addition to being the RA, is one with those owner powers?
Again, not sure why this is so important to you but yes, he has the power to do these things but he is not "in charge" of EK. Again, the steering committee "steers" EK.
Jefe I've tried to tag out of this but I must say I am still interested in this thread for my own reasons. I don't think there is anything that can be said to satisfy Ross and Patriot. Here is what I have to say regarding the Elk Konnected Fitness Center.
Back when the fitness center was being talked about I offered my services for free. I had spent over 20 years managing and developing multiple fitness centers both big and small for two of the largest companies in the Industry.. What I got was basically a cold shoulder from those involved in the fitness center. I feel I could have offered a great deal to add to the sucess of the fitness center. I am sorry to hear it is closing. It doesn't suprise me though that I was rebuffed. Being a Kansas Boy I know that we like to do things on our own and aren't very open to oustsiders. Same reason why Kansas has 105 counties and EK has multiple fairs. You all just can't work together. I applaud those that are trying to change that, but I see EK fading into the rural sunset. Once it is a ghost town maybe I will come to visit. Still love the place, just think it is more of a hopeless cause than ever. Jefe that doesn't mean I won't give you a chair to hit back with, just means let's save it for another fight. EK problems are bigger than whether you have a fitness center. Brown water, run down housing, bad roads, inability to work together, are much more limiting to the sucess of Elk Count.
David
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 18, 2011, 06:55:19 PM
Jefe I've tried to tag out of this but I must say I am still interested in this thread for my own reasons. I don't think there is anything that can be said to satisfy Ross and Patriot. Here is what I have to say regarding the Elk Konnected Fitness Center.
Back when the fitness center was being talked about I offered my services for free. I had spent over 20 years managing and developing multiple fitness centers both big and small for two of the largest companies in the Industry.. What I got was basically a cold shoulder from those involved in the fitness center. I feel I could have offered a great deal to add to the sucess of the fitness center. I am sorry to hear it is closing. It doesn't suprise me though that I was rebuffed. Being a Kansas Boy I know that we like to do things on our own and aren't very open to oustsiders. Same reason why Kansas has 105 counties and EK has multiple fairs. You all just can't work together. I applaud those that are trying to change that, but I see EK fading into the rural sunset. Once it is a ghost town maybe I will come to visit. Still love the place, just think it is more of a hopeless cause than ever. Jefe that doesn't mean I won't give you a chair to hit back with, just means let's save it for another fight. EK problems are bigger than whether you have a fitness center. Brown water, run down housing, bad roads, inability to work together, are much more limiting to the sucess of Elk Count.
David
David
Sorry, but I have been on the fitness center committee since it began and I do not remember you offering any services to us. If you felt you got a cold shoulder, I am sorry for that, it certainly was not intentional. The problem with the fitness center was not a management problem, but rather the same problem that exists across the country. People are too, busy, lazy, fat, tired, poor, or whatever other excuse they can find to not exercise. Obesity is at an all time high and this fitness center just confirm that lack of commitment to take care of ourselves.
You are right, not working together is one of our biggest problems in Elk County. (you can filter the brown water. ;) )
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 07:18:31 PM
Sorry, but I have been on the fitness center committee since it began and I do not remember you offering any services to us. If you felt you got a cold shoulder, I am sorry for that, it certainly was not intentional. The problem with the fitness center was not a management problem, but rather the same problem that exists across the country. People are too, busy, lazy, fat, tired, poor, or whatever other excuse they can find to not exercise. Obesity is at an all time high and this fitness center just confirm that lack of commitment to take care of ourselves.
You are right, not working together is one of our biggest problems in Elk County. (you can filter the brown water. ;) )
Go back and look on archive.com for the forum when Elk Konnected had a big presence here. As I remember Tobina was more of a driver of that program than you. Yes it was a management problem. I've got people involve in fitness programs for over 20 years that used those same excuses. No need to argue with you because I like you and Pep. Thanks for being one of the ones that does keep Howard alive. Still you all are heading for the designation of ghost town.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 18, 2011, 07:45:22 PM
Go back and look on archive.com for the forum when Elk Konnected had a big presence here. As I remember Tobina was more of a driver of that program than you. Yes it was a management problem. I've got people involve in fitness programs for over 20 years that used those same excuses. No need to argue with you because I like you and Pep. Thanks for being one of the ones that does keep Howard alive. Still you all are heading for the designation of ghost town.
David
So do we just let that happen or fight it as long as we can? If we become ghost towns, most of us can not live here (unless living off the government). Most of us, despite all the negative opinions of mostly everything, choose to live here because we appreciate what it offers us. I for one am not ready to accept defeat yet! We need to shop local, bank local, doctor local, haircut local, nails local, eat local, etc, etc, etc. We still have most services available to us. There is still plenty of fight in the dog. The dog might have some fleas, but still has quite a bite! ;D
I would start putting Mountain Dew in the dog's water bowl to keep him going. Swat the flies and comb out the fleas. I hope you all prove me wrong.
David
p.s. My offers of help were posted here on the forum under the Elk Konnected threads and not specifically to anyone person. Maybe we can save the fitness center. Just offering again.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 07:18:31 PM
...The problem with the fitness center was not a management problem, but rather the same problem that exists across the country. People are too, busy, lazy, fat, tired, poor, or whatever other excuse they can find to not exercise. Obesity is at an all time high and this fitness center just confirm that lack of commitment to take care of ourselves.
You are right, not working together is one of our biggest problems in Elk County...
Well that kind of pejorative labeling of the population will surely bring people together, won't it?
Not a management problem? If you were paying only 600 for a manager, 250 for utilities and 300 for rent and 50 for liability insurance every month for a total of 1200 in expenses, you would have needed 48 customers paying 25 a month just to break even not accounting for the cost of unemployment insurance, maintenance, etc. Have you looked at the economy over the last 4 years? Consider that, with the cost of travel, your market was mostly limited to Howard? Realized how many folks in that market are on fixed incomes or low wages? Yes... it was poor planning and poor management from the start, imo.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 06:53:28 PM
Again, not sure why this is so important to you but yes, he has the power to do these things but he is not "in charge" of EK. Again, the steering committee "steers" EK.
It's important because the organization has their hands into the taxpayer cookie jar up to their elbows... it matters because the organization is claiming to be a 'voice of the people' of Elk County... it matters because the taxpayers have a right to expect transparency from those who would take their money and then purport to be a representative voice of the people...it matters because government employees are using government resources & spending government time working on projects for and to advance the private organization. The lines are blurred and the taxpayers deserve to know who and why.
Thanks for
almost providing a 'yes' or 'no' answer to a 'yes' or 'no' question. It was refreshing.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 18, 2011, 03:54:28 PM
Ross, wether you used it to make people think I was being critical of EK, or to "show the legitimacy of the questions on this thread", you used my quoted words COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTEXT! The words you quoted were about Patriots over-the-top desire for anonymity, and had absolutely nothing to do with EK.
Do you even understand how underhanded it is to take the words of others out of context and then use them to try and justify a postion of yours on a completley different subject? You say in your self-agrandizing manner that you don't "twist" words, yet you do it even when you are called out about doing it.
And yet you continue to wonder why EK wont be 'engaged' in a conversation with you, day after day after day, wasting more and more of Teresa and Kjells server space! :P
It is an excellent statement, it's that simple.
And since when is it your concern of Teresa and Kjells server space?
Don't you think they are responsible people that can take care of themselves?
They can pull the plug on me anytime they desire, don't you understand that?
Once again the statement is an excellent statement.
What about Elk Konnected's anonymity and everything connected with it?
I kinda felt the whole thing was about anonymity in general since the statement discussed small groups of people.
I did not twist the words I quoted them exactly as written. And as i said I gave you credit for posting those words first.
Nothing underhanded and I really appreciated the statement. By the way where did you find that statement, did you quote someone else?
I'm truly sorry if I offended you.
But the subject really is about Elk Konnected and their hand out at the commissioners called the "Community Conversation Committee Report" meeting isn't it? Who suggested what? Secret right? Anonymity right?
Quote from: Patriot on August 18, 2011, 08:53:23 PM
It's important because the organization has their hands into the taxpayer cookie jar up to their elbows... it matters because the organization is claiming to be a 'voice of the people' of Elk County... it matters because the taxpayers have a right to expect transparency from those who would take their money and then purport to be a representative voice of the people...it matters because government employees are using government resources & spending government time working on projects for and to advance the private organization. The lines are blurred and the taxpayers deserve to know who and why.
Thanks for almost providing a 'yes' or 'no' answer to a 'yes' or 'no' question. It was refreshing.
Good post Patriot!
Quote from: Patriot on August 18, 2011, 08:41:40 PM
Well that kind of pejorative labeling of the population will surely bring people together, won't it?
Not a management problem? If you were paying only 600 for a manager, 250 for utilities and 300 for rent and 50 for liability insurance every month for a total of 1200 in expenses, you would have needed 48 customers paying 25 a month just to break even not accounting for the cost of unemployment insurance, maintenance, etc. Have you looked at the economy over the last 4 years? Consider that, with the cost of travel, your market was mostly limited to Howard? Realized how many folks in that market are on fixed incomes or low wages? Yes... it was poor planning and poor management from the start, imo.
But did you notice it was all talk about Howard not Elk County. Not Moline, not Longton, not the other communities?
Just Howard. What is Howards problem with the rest of the communities? Keep Howard from becoming a ghost town, that's what I read.
Quote from: Ross on August 18, 2011, 09:05:45 PM
But did you notice it was all talk about Howard not Elk County. Not Moline, not Longton, not the other communities?
Just Howard. What is Howards problem with the rest of the communities? Keep Howard from becoming a ghost town, that's what I read.
I noticed. But Ross, to be honest, I don't think it's a problem between the general citizenry of Howard and the other communities. I believe all citizens have a certain 'local pride', but not to the total exclusion of the other communities. No, I think it's more about the overinflated view of a few elites who think Howard is somehow 'better' or more deserving than the other communities. Funny how a few seem to set the tone for all. Even though the majority may not share the same view. But, I could be wrong.
Ross and Patriot I mentioned Howard not anyone else. I love Howard and Moline and care less about the rest of Elk County. Remember I don't live there. So it seems you were using my words to suggest they were the words of Elk Konnected or anyone else living in EK. Just like you twisted Charles words. Both Ross and Patriot have been less than civil on this thread (I have been too) and I admit that fact. I see the whole county swirling down the brown water drain. I hope you all can escape the vortex.
David
Quote from: Patriot on August 18, 2011, 08:53:23 PM
It's important because the organization has their hands into the taxpayer cookie jar up to their elbows... it matters because the organization is claiming to be a 'voice of the people' of Elk County... it matters because the taxpayers have a right to expect transparency from those who would take their money and then purport to be a representative voice of the people...it matters because government employees are using government resources & spending government time working on projects for and to advance the private organization. The lines are blurred and the taxpayers deserve to know who and why.
Thanks for almost providing a 'yes' or 'no' answer to a 'yes' or 'no' question. It was refreshing.
Patriot, that's an excellent statement. There'll be no agreement and support from the communists on that.
quote from sodbuster:
I love Howard and Moline and care less about the rest of Elk County.
The rest of the county feels the same about you.
quote from sodbuster :
I see the whole county swirling down the brown water drain. I hope you all can escape the vortex.
I think we will be able to "escape the vortex" as long as we aint got a bunch of twinkle toed (blankedy blanks ) from mamby pamby land coming here trying to contaminate our county
Elk County will always be home to Myrna and me. If not for some health issues we would be living in Howard now. I was born in Howard and lived the first 25 years of my life there. I have travelled all over the world and the US and Elk County still has the best people I have known. I own property in Elk County and look to acquire more.
If I move back the first thing I would do is join Elk Connect and donate time and Money to help with all of the good things they do for the people all over the county. I am pleased that the majority of the Forum ignores the trash that has been posted by some. My wife had family that lived in Longton, Elk Falls and Howard, I had family in Moline, Howard and in laws that have family in Longton, some of the best people I know live in longton. It is sad to see such childish trash posted to try to cause problems between the towns and schools.
Look forward to having you here, frawin.
well julie you snide remark about everyone being fat, lazy, and all the other negative things you said about the rest of us in elk county is a real good reason to not support your business. i will keep my fat, lazy butt shopping at the LONGTON GROCERY store where they have friendly service. you have me thinking about joining the fitness center in independence too, where people don't label me fat and lazy. with the price of gas my fat, lazy arse will head east with my money. thanks for reminding me of your friendly customer service!!
Quote from: Patriot on August 18, 2011, 09:15:15 PM
I noticed. But Ross, to be honest, I don't think it's a problem between the general citizenry of Howard and the other communities. I believe all citizens have a certain 'local pride', but not to the total exclusion of the other communities. No, I think it's more about the overinflated view of a few elites who think Howard is somehow 'better' or more deserving than the other communities. Funny how a few seem to set the tone for all. Even though the majority may not share the same view. But, I could be wrong.
't know I agree, I think it is only a select few. But I don't know who they are.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 07:18:31 PM
Sorry, but I have been on the fitness center committee since it began and I do not remember you offering any services to us. If you felt you got a cold shoulder, I am sorry for that, it certainly was not intentional. The problem with the fitness center was not a management problem, but rather the same problem that exists across the country. People are too, busy, lazy, fat, tired, poor, or whatever other excuse they can find to not exercise. Obesity is at an all time high and this fitness center just confirm that lack of commitment to take care of ourselves.
You are right, not working together is one of our biggest problems in Elk County. (you can filter the brown water. ;) )
I don't believe she meant this in a mean and hurtful manner. Don't we all get frustrated when something we are working on goes awry? Please be decent and cut her some slack. Yes, I happen to like this lady and I will still shop with her. Let's not be hateful, please. A few mispoken words should not affect our community in that way. IMHO. i have always been treated courteously at her place of business.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 18, 2011, 04:42:38 PM
This is me as a taxpayer, not speaking from Elk Konnected: Ross, has everything you ever done in your life been a complete success? The way you discuss the Wellness Center closing you act as if your whole life and every part of it has always been the way you wanted it to turn out. Just because it did not have enough membership to support it's expenses does not mean that it should not have been attempted. Since 1995 when we moved back here, I personally have been hearing from various places that we needed a fitness center. It was still being talked about when Elk Konnected started. That's why it was attempted. Until you have no disappointing outcomes in your life, you shouldn't cast stones.
You are absolutly right. I have had dissapointments. They were my private dissapointments. I did not brag in the newspaper that I could do such great things. The difference is that I was not promoting myself as the savior of Elk County. Nor was I touting that my organization was so great with it's panels making decisions. Nor, have I ever wrote a letter praising myself as one thing and discribing myself as a County Commissioner have I?
By the way I am not blaming you for the closure. I just don't believe Elk Konnected is all that and a box of chocolates, but more like lemons and not lemon aid. Just my personal opinion. I see power grabbing going on at the cost of the majority of Elk County citizens.
The letter I refer to is at:
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
None of what I say is personal to individuals,
I am addressing Elk Konnected an organization that no one claims ownership of.
Quote from: Ross on August 19, 2011, 04:15:08 PM
I don't believe she meant this in a mean and hurtful manner. Don't we all get frustrated when something we are working on goes awry? Please be decent and cut her some slack. Yes, I happen to like this lady and I will still shop with her. Let's not be hateful, please. A few mispoken words should not affect our community in that way. IMHO. i have always been treated courteously at her place of business.
Ross , you just came up big right there, two thumbs up.
I too, agree with Julie. I was one that used the fitness center and become to self involved and have started gaining back some of the 50 pound that I have lost. She is not saying that to be mean or hateful. It's all over the news about the incline in over weight people. I for one am not to proud to admit that I need to exercise more and eat better. I know that!!
Quote from: frawin on August 19, 2011, 08:32:18 AM
Elk County will always be home to Myrna and me. If not for some health issues we would be living in Howard now. I was born in Howard and lived the first 25 years of my life there. I have travelled all over the world and the US and Elk County still has the best people I have known. I own property in Elk County and look to acquire more.
If I move back the first thing I would do is join Elk Connect and donate time and Money to help with all of the good things they do for the people all over the county. I am pleased that the majority of the Forum ignores the trash that has been posted by some. My wife had family that lived in Longton, Elk Falls and Howard, I had family in Moline, Howard and in laws that have family in Longton, some of the best people I know live in longton. It is sad to see such childish trash posted to try to cause problems between the towns and schools.
You have apparently failed to read the whole thread and all the web sites by Elk Konnected and Public Squares Communities, LLC and it's requirements to be a member of theirs. My opinions and questions are in blue, I just wanted that to be clear.
In my opinion, it appears that Elk Konnected is at the root of the conflicts, but you read and make your own decision, please? This is in my opinion a must read.
For instance: A personal Letter to Elk Konnected by Liz Hendricks
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
Dear citizens of Elk Konnected:
Congrats! You have done it! You have
achieved accreditation as a Public Square Community
after four years of using this process to
build hope for your community.
What process? The process of Public Squares Community, LLC you should read and understand this process it's at their web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php.
To me it spells out total control, won't you think about that? While there look and see who is employed by them, the company clear across the state in Leoti, Kansas. Guess who moved back home to Elk County from Leoti the author of this letter.
Still from the letter
When Elk Konnected started, the climate
in your communities was pretty dismal.
I moved here in 2005 and immediately liked the whole county. I found it a very wholesome place with great people.
Still from the letter
The six towns were competing against each other, still harboring
old battle wounds from lost county seat wars
and lost school consolidation battles. Painful
memories fed the fear that if one town wins, all
the others lose.
Please, please show me the people left over from the civil war?
I believe it was Howard that lost the school consolidation war.
My question is why does Howard want to push itself on everyone else?
My guess is it is only a select few and Elk Konnected.
Still from the letter
Your kids went to various school
districts–West Elk, Elk Valley, Central-Burden,
Fredonia, Bluestem, or Eureka–and those school
rivalries were, and still are, fierce!
Do you notice the letter is not specific about who's kids?
But hey, can you show me a single county in Kansas that does not have several school districts?
Or a county where the communities do not have competition? Or rivalries?
Now, if this is insinuating that something normal is abnormal, I don't know what does, do you?
One of the suggestions on the Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Called the Community Conversation Committee Report was
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Where do you suppose this centralized control would be?
I say leave the communities alone.
Still from the letter
Business was struggling, fighting against city and
county units of government. Government was
on its own course.
Wait a minute the author of this letter claims to be the founding member of Elk Konnected but yet she is one of the County Commissioners that business was fighting???
I don't get it, do you?
Government like every other business is on their own individual courses.
Not everyone can deal in panty hose or gasoline, now can they?
Still from the letter
So you utilized a third party
facilitator–Terry Woodbury from Public
Square Communities LLC–to direct the process
and invite all citizens to engage. No county
commissioner or mayor or educator or minister
would have been neutral enough to do that.
And I feel compelled to repeat myself. The process of Public Squares Community, LLC you should read and understand this process it's at their web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php.
To me it spells out total control, won't you think about that? While there look and see who is employed by them, the company clear across the state in Leoti, Kansas. Guess who moved back home to Elk County from Leoti the author of this letter.
Thanks
to the Physical Wellness action team,
we now have a Wellness Center in
Howard, with card access to anyone,
anytime.
Until August 31st. Simply poor planning and discussions lead to this closing in my opinion.
First you need the patrons to support it.
And second you need to consider the financial and employment situations in the county and the country.
Still from the letter
You did that in 2008 with the Community Conversation on
"our schools and our community" and helped one of our school boards
deal with a shrinking budget.
How? It appeared that Elk Konnected and Howard pushed for the closures of our
Grade schools and the $5.5 million bond election. Which would have been used
to house less than 300 children. $5.5 million. Oh yes and I believe it was suppose to have
a community storm shelter built into it. For what community --- Howard of course. I think if Howard wants a community shelter they should have a vote of their community and build it if that is what they want.
The bond issue was failed by the majority of the Elk County community. But would have passed if only Howard was voting. Just how did Elk Konnected help the school board and my guess is that it was West Elk
Just outside the city limits of Howard. Oh, by the way is Howard still trying to move their city limits to encompass West Elk? Do they really believe that would help their economy while the whole country is floundering?
This is a great county to live in just the way it is. And people should be able to talk directly with their county commissioners. And during the meetings they provide an open forum just for that purpose. I did not
elect Elk Konnected to act or speak on my behalf. No body has that I know of.
Quote from: cheyronni on August 19, 2011, 02:27:42 PM
well julie you snide remark about everyone being fat, lazy, and all the other negative things you said about the rest of us in elk county is a real good reason to not support your business. i will keep my fat, lazy butt shopping at the LONGTON GROCERY store where they have friendly service. you have me thinking about joining the fitness center in independence too, where people don't label me fat and lazy. with the price of gas my fat, lazy arse will head east with my money. thanks for reminding me of your friendly customer service!!
To you and anyone else I offended, I am so sorry! That is not what I meant at all. I was not calling anyone fat lazy etc. I was saying those are reasons I have heard from people about themselves as to why they don't want to exercise. (I've even used a couple of them about myself ;D). I just am not that aggressive and rude when I speak and I am so so sorry that it came across that way. Please accept my apologies. That is the danger of the written word when you can't feel where a person is coming from by looking into their eyes. Again, I am so sorry.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca link=topic=11780.msg172413#msg172413nd his community work date=1313798233
Ross , you just came up big right there, two thumbs up.
Thank you Jefe for the compliment.
But don't you see that is what this whole county should be about.
People sticking up for each other and to be truthful about it.
Not hiding behind the vale of an organization.
Not just a few select running an organization to save the county.
That will never work. Unless you believe in Obama and his community work and planning.
I believe in people not organizations.
The organization wants what the organization wants and that's all that counts.
Where as, the people vote and support what they want as individuals.
An organization is not about individualism, it is about control by a few people grouped together
to fullfil their own desires, and to force it on everyone else and nothing more.
Quote from: jprxmkt on August 19, 2011, 10:54:21 PM
To you and anyone else I offended, I am so sorry! That is not what I meant at all. I was not calling anyone fat lazy etc. I was saying those are reasons I have heard from people about themselves as to why they don't want to exercise. (I've even used a couple of them about myself ;D). I just am not that aggressive and rude when I speak and I am so so sorry that it came across that way. Please accept my apologies. That is the danger of the written word when you can't feel where a person is coming from by looking into their eyes. Again, I am so sorry.
Julie... Ease up on yourself... ;D
Anyone and everyone who has ever actively posted on a forum has had that happen .. ( Myself many many times ) especially if the people don't know you or can't "hear" you when you type.. ( did that make any sense? ) People who know you, didn't take that wrong. And the people who don't know you or haven't talked to you much didn't know. Its an honest mistake on their part.. ( I have been on that side of the fence too)
I have many people tell me that they can "hear me" when they read what I write.. but that is probably because I have a big mouth and I talk all the time.. LOL
You are quiet and polite.
But still~~ words written are very easily misconstrued sometimes by the reader in their intent or message. So everyone needs to try to keep that in mind when reading posts.. :)
Here's an example...... look at ole' Jarhead for instance.
I mean.. by the way he posts.... if you didn't know it.. you would think he is one bad ass mean hombre...with an expertise touch in everything his little chubby fing............... errrr... I mean .....a finely honed expert touch in all areas from those golden fingers that can go from catching the biggest fish right out from under Sarges nose... to stomping on all those berries at night to make the best wine around. ..to being a master Spelunker of buried treasure.. ( and lets not forget about his Olympic diving)
But the actual Jarhead is just plain little ole...well~~not little exactly.. :-\.. but just plain down to earth easy going funny Ronnie.. who would never ever admit that Sarge and I can out fish him most of the time.
;D
Quote from: Ross on August 20, 2011, 06:29:30 AM
Thank you Jefe for the compliment.
But don't you see that is what this whole county should be about.
People sticking up for each other and to be truthful about it.
Not hiding behind the vale of an organization.
Not just a few select running an organization to save the county.
That will never work. Unless you believe in Obama and his community work and planning.
I believe in people not organizations.
The organization wants what the organization wants and that's all that counts.
Where as, the people vote and support what they want as individuals.
An organization is not about individualism, it is about control by a few people grouped together
to fullfil their own desires, and to force it on everyone else and nothing more.
Surely you can't group all organizations this way. American Legion, 4-H, etc.
What I see being the desire of this group is making the county better and I don't see it happening in hiding. The people I know personally that have given time and money to this venture are wonderful people ,i.e. Dr Arbuckle from Grenola.
Mistakes are made, and as Julie said , rectified. It is quite difficult to get a concensus on any given thing , anywhere, let alone in a county like ours. We can all be hardheaded, hardnosed, and cantankerous , part of being Jayhawkers. We can also all be kind , loving, and giving, also part of being Jayhawkers. Give it a chance Ross.
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
Quote from what's her face:
but just plain down to earth easy going funny Ronnie.. who would never ever admit that Sarge and I can out fish him most of the time.
Har !! Har !! Har !!! Fat chance of that ever happening.
Careful there Blondie---wouldn't want someone to call you out on straying from the subject of Elk County handouts to fishing now would we ? ;)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
Surely you can't group all organizations this way. American Legion, 4-H, etc.
What I see being the desire of this group is making the county better and I don't see it happening in hiding. The people I know personally that have given time and money to this venture are wonderful people ,i.e. Dr Arbuckle from Grenola.
Mistakes are made, and as Julie said , rectified. It is quite difficult to get a concensus on any given thing , anywhere, let alone in a county like ours. We can all be hardheaded, hardnosed, and cantankerous , part of being Jayhawkers. We can also all be kind , loving, and giving, also part of being Jayhawkers. Give it a chance Ross.
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
Surely you can't group all organizations this way. American Legion, 4-H, etc.
Again you are exactly right. Elk Konnected is no way comparable.
It is full of self pride and as you so graciously provided:
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
That speaks volumes. Thanks for bringing it to light.
Just see the following letter at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
and see the reply at #2491 on: Yesterday at 09:35:58 pm »
I just love these statements and I hope you do too!
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. "
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
I can not take credit for these statements, I borrowed them from previous posts on this thread.
But perhaps they will stimulate some talk and conversation and thinking about this beautiful county.
That is my hope and prayers.
Quote from: Ross on August 20, 2011, 05:49:51 PM
I just love these statements and I hope you do too!
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. "
I can not take credit for these statements, I borrowed them from previous posts on this thread.
But perhaps they will stimulate some talk and conversation and thinking about this beautiful county.
That is my hope and prayers.
Ross,
For the last G--D--- Time! Quit using these statements of mine. Just because you've posted them half a million times now does not make them any less my statements. You've used them out of context everytime you have used them, and now you are using them, and not attributing them to anyone. In their original context they had absolutely nothing to do Elk Konnected, they had only to do with Patriot's need for anonymity, and his and his followers (you included) distortion of facts and figures.
Here is the post that these quoted statements originated from, try reading the post in context with the discussion that was going on at the time:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
Enough of this already!
Quote from: flintauqua on August 20, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
For the last G--D--- Time! Enough of this already!
I'm not sure, but I don't think there's a copyright issue here. Besides, emulation is the greatest form of flattery, no? And in this case, the comparison at least appears to fit to some degree.
I'm not talking copyright infringement, I'm talking common decency. He has repeatedly used these statements completely out of context. His use of them out of context has been noted, and he has been informed of what he is doing, repeatedly.
Most anyone with a modicum of scruples would heed the original authors request to cease using the statements in the manner that Ross has been doing.
I guess we'll see if Ross will live up to his oft-posted position that he does not twist words.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 20, 2011, 08:04:42 PM
I'm not talking copyright infringement, I'm talking common decency. He has repeatedly used these statements completely out of context. His use of them out of context has been noted, and he has been informed of what he is doing, repeatedly.
Most anyone with a modicum of scruples would heed the original authors request to cease using the statements in the manner that Ross has been doing.
I guess we'll see if Ross will live up to his oft-posted position that he does not twist words.
I suspect the readers will make up their own minds, sans your personal attacks on his integrity.
Charles I agree with you about the twisted use of quotes. I have supported Elk Konnected with a small amout of money and I expect my contributions to continue and grow. Ross and Patriot and their supporters can join EK or start their own group. I feel the questions they are asking have to be answered by the County Government and not a private LLC. that has no legal duty to do so.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 20, 2011, 08:16:16 PM
... have to be answered by the County Government and not a private LLC. that has no legal duty to do so.
You're rehashing old information. I don't believe that anyone as asserted that EK has any legal obligation to answer. As a matter of fact, I personally acknowledged that fact on this thread weeks ago. I also think Ross has point out, several times, that the only thing being relied upon is Elk Konected's self expressed intent to engage in open public conversations in the broadest context (including this forum). A stated intent that appears, with each passing hour, to be increasingly lacking in veracity.
But then, the theme of this entire thread has surrounded on the entanglement of a private company in public affairs and with public officials and public monies/resources, and the lack of transparency the such entanglement breeds.
Know doubt about the rehashing, 94 % of this thread is either off topic, personal trash talking, or posting the same thing over and over. In my opinion the fact that this still going on 4+ months later and seemingly no real effort to get your answers from the County who have a duty to provide you the info. appears that you are just venting and not serious about getting your answers. Just my opinion.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on August 20, 2011, 08:50:56 PM
Just my opinion.
I respect your opinion, as erroneous as it may turn out to be in the long run.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 20, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Ross,
For the last G--D--- Time! Quit using these statements of mine. Just because you've posted them half a million times now does not make them any less my statements. You've used them out of context everytime you have used them, and now you are using them, and not attributing them to anyone. In their original context they had absolutely nothing to do Elk Konnected, they had only to do with Patriot's need for anonymity, and his and his followers (you included) distortion of facts and figures.
Here is the post that these quoted statements originated from, try reading the post in context with the discussion that was going on at the time:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
Enough of this already!
I give you credit you don't like it, I don't give you credit you don't like it.But I have not twisted anything and by having people go to your original statement they can see that the statements are identical and nothing changed about them. nothing twisted. I simply did not put my prejudice or you prejudice behind them.
You just misquoted me in your way of thinking, what you say just doesn't make sense to me.
Here is the quote in full from me:
Quote from: Ross on August 20, 2011, 05:49:51 PM
I just love these statements and I hope you do too!
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. "
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
I can not take credit for these statements, I borrowed them from previous posts on this thread.
But perhaps they will stimulate some talk and conversation and thinking about this beautiful county.
That is my hope and prayers.
See you quoted me out of context, didn't you?
You left out the other quote by Jefferson, why? And the words "[/color]
hide behind a cloak of anonymity, " is all over the internet anyone can do a Google search on that phrase and see pages of it, right? So, I asked who you were quoting with that phrase and recieved no answer, why? Is it Because you did not want us to know who you were quoting?
But at any rate there is really nothing indecent about using the phrase now is there?
It just upsets you that you provided it and that it might get people thinking with out your personal opinion attached,
isn't that right?
You just said:
Quote from: flintauqua on August 20, 2011, 08:04:42 PM
I'm not talking copyright infringement, I'm talking common decency. .
Then come back with:
Quote from: flintauqua on August 20, 2011, 07:51:00 PM
Ross,
For the last G--D--- Time!
Real decent of you!
But I have used the most excellent statements without prejudice, by that I mean,
people can decide for themselves what the statements mean.
See the difference? Or is that what you don't like about their use?
I'm sorry you are so upset it's just not good for your health as I was told here on this forum.
I don't recall which Elk Konnected follower told me that, sure wish I could remember.
Try to have a great weekend, what's left of it.
I hope you understand that using the statements as stand alone does not constitute anything unethical or illegal or any copy write infringement. You just don't want people thinking for themselves as I see it, right?
But really this isn't about you and me is it?
Try the questions about Elk Konnected that's what this thread is about.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected and Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Patriot on August 20, 2011, 08:53:21 PM
I respect your opinion, as erroneous as it may turn out to be in the long run.
Patriot, my opinion may be erroneous, but we have already reached the long run on this issue after 4 months. I can only say that from what I have heard very little action on this issue has be taken before the Commissioners. There are so many laws on what gov. has to provide to citizens as far as info and details on who the hire. I know you guys know FOIA, Open Meeting laws, etc. From what I hear from the people I know in the County you have not pushed this beyond the forum post.
David
Ross, Patiort et.al., let us assume that Elk Konnected will never disclose the information that you scroll across your posts. What is your plan B to find this info. out? I can't understand why you can't get this info. from the County where you have many more legal tools to obtain the information you seek. Explain it to me.
David
How about the issue of EK accepting gov't monies? That ought to be a real concern.
How much good can EK do to earn government money? None.
Americans ought to demand liberty and strongly refuse those like EK and Acorn.
Y'know, this group claims to be for the promotion of Elk County, surrounding areas, (providing you are within West Elk School district), and whatever might be on the agenda d'jour for the unidentified entities involved. They are not above appearing before myriad bodies of government in pursuit of funds for whatever they are promoting at the moment. Now I have never been opposed to programs for the kids; If they wish to collect funds for movie nights, soccer games, and special trips, why then I am all for it!! Hooray!!
If they go before government beseeching the funding of summer baseball and culture trips; go for it!! Play ball! However I am convinced that some of these funds have been used to try to promote consolidation of the schools to Howard to the detrimint of Moline and Severy and some of these funds have been used for other purposes than for the promotion of Elk County. If this group were for the promotion of Elk County, then why do we never hear of Oak Valley? Just my opinion, and I am eagerly awaiting the invitation from the exercise center for peoples of ELK County to now become connected by joining and using an exercise center, throw out the fancy equipment, and teach aerobics!!
Maybe you still have time to join their fitness center before it closes this month. Later on, you can
donate your membership certificate to the historical sociiety or museum.
We should not be Cuba or the Soviet Union. Government should not be paying for sports.
If you don't pay your property taxes, the county will have a Sheriff's sale and you be without
a home. You reckon they might give you a free ticket to a ball game? Do you want liberty or
Democracy? Democracy seems to be the big craze - just vote on it to take their money.
Liberty? You don't want liberty for the kids or not?
You know, when Castro took opver Cuba, he took everything but the chickens. Don't know why anybody
would support EK or EK LLC. Makes no American sense whatsoever.
Let's look at what is posted about Elk Konnected at
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
Let's take a look at the head count of Elk konnected on their web site, shall we?
Liz Hendricks (620) 330-2428
County Commissioner
David Whetstone 620-374-2296
And posted at
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php
Steering Committee:
Andrea Arbuckle
Nancy Barker
Jennifer Brummel
Julie Englebrecht
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Provence
David Whetstone
And at Action Teams
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php
Physical Image
No one listed???
Wellness
No one listed???
Elk Konnected Wellness Center Repored to Close August 31, 2011
Youth Development
Nobody listed????
So lets take a head count, be sure not to count the same names twice.
Correct me if I am wrong, are the numbers astronomical,
NO!
I only count 7 people involved in the Steering Committee, And in the following Action Teams
Physical Image Action Team
and
Wellness Action Team
and
Youth Development Action Team
Are the ashamed to list others on their web site?
Are there any other people involved?
Or is this a way for a few to hog the glory of the newspaper?
I don't understand this organization one little bit, so help me out if you can? Where are all the members???
Oh wait a minute wasn't it stated on theis thread that there are no member's?
I just don't get it? Does it have employees??? Who get"s paid???
It is so small for an Limited Liability Company proclaiming all that it can do and does do for Elk County, don't you think?
And you know after being reported in our newspaper that a person is only allowed to serve on the Steering Committee for two years why is it that Liz Hendricks and David Whetstone appear to me to be permanent fixtures on the committee? That's why I keep asking who steers the steering committee, do you understand now why I keep asking questions?
There just does not appear to be any real clarification or definitive answers about this little club. I don't get it, does anyone else get it??? Come on David in California, clue us in??? David there is no plan"B" but since you are a donor surely you know everything there is to know about Elk Konnected. You know being a man in California you surely have the answers, since no one local does and since you are the only investor/donor to come forward. There is nothing for you to hide from is there?
Such a small small group of people, don't you think?
That is why, I personally feel the following statements and questions are appropriate and necessary.
But, I suggest you make your own decisions and not to follow anyone else's, especially mine.
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. "
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
What I see being the desire of this group is making the county better and I don't see it happening in hiding. The people I know personally that have given time and money to this venture are wonderful people ,i.e. Dr Arbuckle from Grenola.
Sure, I like Andrea too. I have used her on several occassions to take care of my horses. And I like her husband equally well. I enjoy visiting with him on Thursday mornings when he is in my drive picking up my trash. Adam is a terrific guy. But what does that have to do with the questions that have been asked about Elk Konnected. I do believe I have stated that this is not about any individual involved with Elk Konnected so I don't see no real point in your statement. Oh, did you have Andrea's conscent to disclose her financial contribution to Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
Mistakes are made, and as Julie said , rectified. It is quite difficult to get a concensus on any given thing , anywhere, let alone in a county like ours. We can all be hardheaded, hardnosed, and cantankerous , part of being Jayhawkers. We can also all be kind , loving, and giving, also part of being Jayhawkers.
Rectified??? How ??? By sweeping it under please the carpet??? I have not seen an appology one, printed in the paper for mistakes made by Elk Konnected to the citizens of Elk County, have you???
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
Give it a chance Ross.
Give what a chance??? Be specific please???
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. " " Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
I'm so glad you like the quotes from Jefferson. Perhaps some day you will understand what they mean.
Senor Vaca, you seem much more supportive in the right to do anything in the "public interest" as the law of the land instead of the Constitution. You're more like an Elk County Republican who thinks himself to be conservative and can't be. What's your understanding of Jefferson - you appear to be more in line with Lincoln and the Marxists.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 21, 2011, 11:41:21 AM
Senor Vaca, you seem much more supportive in the right to do anything in the "public interest" as the law of the land instead of the Constitution. You're more like an Elk County Republican who thinks himself to be conservative and can't be. What's your understanding of Jefferson - you appear to be more in line with Lincoln and the Marxists.
You go --- redcliff.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 21, 2011, 10:07:29 AM
I'm so glad you like the quotes from Jefferson. Perhaps some day you will understand what they mean.
Again ::)
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 20, 2011, 08:24:29 AM
" Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on August 21, 2011, 06:59:11 PM
Again ::)
And perhaps you would be so inclined to enlighten us as to what you interpret them to mean.
Afterall most of us do not think like you do.
I do believe your interpretation would be different.
So go for it, enlighten us.And perhaps you can explain why the Elk Konnected Wellness Center was a failure off of the planning stage?
Or perhaps another quote from you will help.
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you.
Didn't Elk Konnected LLC know about the help from the government???
They will help not only with start up but design and operation and book keeping won't they. They will even provide tutoring and executives that are suppose to be experts right? So couldn't Elk Konnected, LLC take it's own advice? "Pride costs us morethan hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
JeffersonBut really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County? Who is their Leader?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Phases of the Public Square
Mobilize ( 3 - 9 months )
determine readiness and purpose for Public Square process, create Steering Committee, gain seed money investors
Build Capacity ( 18 months )
interview citizens, hold community conversation & vision retreat, start citizen action teams, write progress story for regional funding partners who match local investors, attend Communities Conference
Take Ownership ( 12 months )
choose local conveners to guide process, hold regional conversation with another community, write progress story for regional funding partners who again match local investors, engage the community and update goals, share progress at the annual Communities Conference
Accreditation ( every 2 years )
sustain the process (engaged community, up-to-date goals & action teams, regional conversation), share leadership of the annual Communities Conference, apply for "Public Square Community" accreditation and pay fee, be reviewed by a team of peers and funding partners, contribute reviewers for other accreditation applicants
*********Who steers the steering committee???*********
Why won't they Converse with us???
What are Their Real goals???
Questions Galore
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
Who is their Leader?
Yup...DOA.
You're right, Cat.
Robert ? Jen ? What are y'all doing on this "dead thread " ? Haven't you heard? I'm only here because a couple of "haters" have taken over the Coffee Shop. Yea, talking about getting their jollies and up your arse and piles of dung. I just had to come back to this thread where it's tame. ;)
That ain't no joke there Ron!! Nice and quiet and nothing gets stuck up your ass over here!
You can always tell when a thread is dead, too, Ronnie...nobody posts on it or looks at it or reads it...At any given time throughout the day you will find at least 5 guests reading this thread....Nope, it's not dead yet....It's just about to get interesting!!
Only for those who are so narcissistic that they get their "jollies" from hearing the echo of their own voices. It's nice to see that the turd stirrers have returned to "their" thread... ;D
The great thing about a PUBLIC FORUM is that we can be on any thread at any time!!
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
You can always tell when a thread is dead, too, Ronnie...nobody posts on it or looks at it or reads it...At any given time throughout the day you will find at least 5 guests reading this thread....Nope, it's not dead yet....It's just about to get interesting!!
I read this thread everyday that I get on the forum.
Yes, kshillbillys you are right this forum is a great tool and fun to use.
But why do you suppose certain people come to this thread if they consider it dead.
And just to post incredibly rediculous remarks like this one:
Quote from: Catwoman on August 23, 2011, 07:28:09 PM
Yup...DOA.
Followed up by other silly remarks.
That just doesn't make sense to me.
Perhaps because they have no answers to the real questions?
Even Jefe de vaca has no real answers.
He says, we don't understand something and then
he can't seem to enlighten us as to his understanding of it.
Well any way the questions remain:
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
The great thing about a PUBLIC FORUM is that we can be on any thread at any time!!
Unfortunately so...Thanks for the warning.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 07:50:29 PM
The great thing about a PUBLIC FORUM is that we can be on any thread at any time!!
Quote from: Catwoman on August 23, 2011, 08:19:22 PM
Unfortunately so...Thanks for the warning.
Too cute!!! :laugh:
The response very mature???
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Ross, she must still be trying to get the page count up... ;)
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 23, 2011, 08:27:46 PM
Ross, she must still be trying to get the page count up... ;)
She doesn't need to embarr
ass herself in such a fashion to rise the page count.
Plenty of people are reading this thread to see if any thing ever develops concerning the questions that are the main topic.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
LOL...Oh, Mr. Ross...Me? Embarrassing myself? I leave that activity to you and your friends...Believe me...The coffee shop chatter has you on an even bet to run this up at least another 50 pages. After the way you and your ilk have treated Julie...Just because you can't manage to control your obsessive-compulsive need to hear your own voice, repeating the same idiocy over and over and over and over again...Hmmmmm. Yep...I've taken that bet and am planning on getting to go out to eat on all of you...AGAIN. NO embarrassment in that! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on August 24, 2011, 05:12:23 AM
LOL...Oh, Mr. Ross...Me? Embarrassing myself? I leave that activity to you and your friends...Believe me...The coffee shop chatter has you on an even bet to run this up at least another 50 pages. After the way you and your ilk have treated Julie...Just because you can't manage to control your obsessive-compulsive need to hear your own voice, repeating the same idiocy over and over and over and over again...Hmmmmm. Yep...I've taken that bet and am planning on getting to go out to eat on all of you...AGAIN. NO embarrassment in that! LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D
You I shall not patronize per your instructions. You are one of the moronic people that operate out of ignorant arrogance. I have not mistreated Julie and I happen to like her and take my business to her place of business. Either you lack the education to comprehend wk more than hat you read or lack the ability to read properly. And you fail mserably in your ability too communicate any thing more than B.S.
Apparently you have found a bigger fool than yourself to bet with! Because this thread could go beyond a thousand pages. perhaps I should clarify that for you 1000 pages. But I doubt that you have found such a dumb person to bet with you that is why I say B.S.
Unless you can answer the following questionswith some knowledge your input is worthless.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
I'm still wondering why Elk Konnected can't get its own summer day camp grants directly from the KHF. Why does a county employee apply for them?
It's good to see that there's men in Elk County who will not bow to EK or the like.
We need more men in America to take a stand against the threats within.
Stay right in there. I'm all for you.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 24, 2011, 08:40:46 AM
It's good to see that there's men in Elk County who will not bow to EK or the like.
We need more men in America to take a stand against the threats within.
Stay right in there. I'm all for you.
Thanks redcliffsw, that's a much appreciated comment.
And have you niticed Jefe has no response to my last questions to him?
Nothing about the questions about the
magnificent seven on the steering committe, don't you wonder why?
Or why the planning for the EK Wellness Center was fruitless, why won't he enlighten us?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have a lot of clarification wouldn't it?
I have been told that Elk Konnected is a loosley knit organization, I can't remember who told me that but if that is what "IT" want's to be then "IT" should stay away from our government's don't you think?
After al "IT" has became an LLC which means it is a business right? Most buisness sell something don't they? The hardware store sells hardware, right? The grocery store sells groceries, right? The newspaper sells newspapres right? ETC.
Since "IT" has no owners and no members perhaps someone can answer the following question?
If Elk konnected, LLC is an it was refered to in earlier posts by followers/defenders, what does "IT" sell?
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
A little off topic but food for thought.
So they want to stick gruesome images on cigarette packs..??
Why not pictures of starving children on McDonald's packaging..?
Why not tortured animals on cosmetics products..?
Why not put the photos of the victims of drunken drivers, on beer and wine bottles..?
Why not pictures of dishonest, thieving Politicians enjoying our money, on tax returns..?
Good points Ross. I especially like the one about animals being used in cosmetics. There is still a market for beaver castors and skunk "pee-pee". It is used in the making of fine perfume so it has " staying power". Wonder how many women know that when they give themselves a squirt of the Good smelly stuff, know they just got sprayed by a skunk ? :D
Isn't that what the fellows like about us using it? ;D ;D
Quote from: greatguns on August 25, 2011, 08:32:58 AM
Isn't that what the fellows like about us using it? ;D ;D
Not me, I like the fresh natural scent a of a woman and a clean natural look. No make up.
What I find the most appealing about a woman and the first thing I notice is her smile.
That tells a lot. Not all that phoney stuff. Natural woman, that's the thing for me.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
What's that all about Elk Konnected and the Howard Chamber of Commerce wanting to ask the County fo part of the PILOT money????????????
To be used to help purchase event policiies for county events. What county event? The Elk River Festival is a Howard event isn't it --- to raise funds for the City of Howard, right?
An event was strongly discouraged by the company underwriter, Student Assurance which provides a policy for Elk Konnected, LLC-sponsered events, such as the rock-climbing wall which will cover children but not adults.
Now did you notice Elk konnected does at least have insurance to protect the children at Elk Konnected evoents.
Did you notice it said Elk Konnected, LLC events. I believe the Howard Chamber of Commerce insurance says something similar, i.e. Howard Chamber of Commerce Events, don't you think?
Therefore the Elk River Festival event is more than likely a Howard event, right? To raise money for the City of Howard right?
And they and Elk Konnected, LLC are thinking of asking for PILOT money? Ever heard of counting your chickens before they hatch?
How about leaving the PILOT money alone
What is with that????
Since when does the Howard Chamber of Commerce or Elk Konnected, LLC qualify as holding county events and require county funds????
It seems to me that
terminology is very loosely used, don't you think so too?
As I read this weeks paper it appears that the event the Howard Chamber of Commerce is discussing is one that is put on to raise funds for Howard, please correct me if I am wrong? Now, if that is true then it is not a County affair but a Howard affair?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
So doesn't that make Elk Konnected, LLC a Howard privately owned company????
Oh I think I see the affiliation of our newspaper editor and Elk Konnected, LLC correct me if I'm wrong please?
Reading this weeks paper the front page has an article of old news but I think it's purpose is to keep Elk Konnected, LLC in the limelight, really --- old news frontpage --- what do you think?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
There you have it.
Do you want good government or do you want to fund EK et al from the Elk County Treasury?
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 26, 2011, 08:10:49 AM
There you have it.
Do you want good government or do you want to fund EK et al from the Elk County Treasury?
Yea, and ya know Jefe accused me of being interested in grabbing the money that isn't there. I think he may have meant Elk Konnected instead of me, don't you think?
That also may explain why Liz told the little old lady at the Red Hatmeeting that they needed to do something more positive with the money besides lower her property tax, I think Elk Konnected was developed before the windfarm contract was even developed with that money in mind, IMHO. They had to know what was coming and handed out all those little lollipops to win over the county (fish) citizens but only with their eye on the money again IMHO. Lollipops for bait to get the fish, right?
What's permanent about giving money to Howard Chamber of Commerce or Elk Konnected????
Really what is Elk Konnected ??? ???
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
What have become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds.
Ross, I am the board secretary for the Howard Chamber of Commerce. I took the minutes that you are quoting. I typed them and submitted them to the Prairie Star for publication. While I'm pleased that the minutes are being read, I am disappointed that you failed to include the part of the sentence that would clarify that is was not the chamber itself requesting PILOT funds. It was a chamber member who suggested that the chamber request the funds. There's a big difference between suggesting something be done, requesting something be done, and actually doing it.
For instance, if someone were to suggest you take a long walk off a short pier, it doesn't mean you are being requested to do it, or that you actually will do it. Suggestions made during meetings are that, and only that. There was some discussion, but there was no vote, and the chamber did not approve any action.
In the future, please be sure to include the full sentence of a meetings minutes instead of only the part that appears to support your allegations. You have a knack for lying by omission, and many people are being misrepresented by this behavior.
Sincerely,
Lynne Thompson
Howard
Well stated, indygal. Thank you for this post.
It happens time and again. It is just the manipulation of facts. Good to hear from you Indygal.
Were the published minutes "approved"?
Yes, they were......at the meeting held August 23.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
Ross, I am the board secretary for the Howard Chamber of Commerce. I took the minutes that you are quoting. I typed them and submitted them to the Prairie Star for publication. While I'm pleased that the minutes are being read, I am disappointed that you failed to include the part of the sentence that would clarify that is was not the chamber itself requesting PILOT funds.
Sincerely,
Lynne Thompson
Howard
I am so proud of you being the Howard Chamber of Commerce board secretary. Does that mean you speak here on behalf of the Howard Chamber of Commerce?
The very first thing I said was in my post was very clear:
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
So, they could read it for themselves!
So, I don't really care what you think? It took place at the HOWARD CHAMBER OF COMMERCE,
Didn't it? So you can get down off that horse, right?
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
It was a chamber member who suggested that the chamber request the funds. There's a big difference between suggesting something be done, requesting something be done, and actually doing it.
Suggestions at meetings like yours usually end up being acted on isn't that right? Or isn't it called planting the seed for action, right again, right? I did not read anything that said the idea was tabled or rejected, did I?
Or was that an omission, too?
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
For instance, if someone were to suggest you take a long walk off a short pier, it doesn't mean you are being requested to do it, or that you actually will do it. Suggestions made during meetings are that, and only that. There was some discussion, but there was no vote, and the chamber did not approve any action.
That is a lame statement if I ever heard one concerning this topic. I see it as only misdirection and failing poorly. Heck that argument doesn't even work on kids these days. Try again?
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 11:52:00 AM
In the future, please be sure to include the full sentence of a meetings minutes instead of only the part that appears to support your allegations. You have a knack for lying by omission, and many people are being misrepresented by this behavior.
You have no reason what so ever calling me a liar one way or another? Is that the way you and your Chamber of Commerce operate by omission? I have simply asked questions, simple questions? I have not omitted anything, that is just simply your opinion. And I believe that the people on this forum are adult enough to make their own decisions. And I will write as I please, Thank you! Uncensored!
So are you telling me that the Chamber of Commerce has no plans of ever asking for the county to dish up funds for it's fund raisers be it pilot money or otherwise?
Is Lonnie Stieben an associate of Elk Konnected? Was she suggesting asking for the money for Elk Konnected? There is a lot of omission in the Article in the newspaper so perhaps you can clarify for us what that was all about? The article did not say it was the minutes of the meeting as every one else does! Another omission, wanting us to assume. I.E. the paper list School board and County Commissioners meetings as the minutes of the meetings. Why that omission in this newspaper article.
You also omitted answering a few of my questions didn't you?
I'll try again, okay?
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
The Elk River Festival is a Howard event isn't it --- to raise funds for the City of Howard, right?
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
Since when does the Howard Chamber of Commerce or Elk Konnected, LLC qualify as holding county events and require county funds????
It seems to me that terminology is very loosely used, don't you think so too?
It would appear County Events would by put on by Elk County such as the Summer Day Camp which County Government funded with a grant they received. Now wasn't that a County Event?
Quote from: Jefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
I know I failed to ask yesterday, but now I have a real source to ask. Could you tell us Ms. Thompson was it your Howard Chamber of Commerce that Jefe de vaca refered to in the above quote?
Thank you for communicating openly with all of us here on the Elk County Forum.
Ross, you are always trying to stir up trouble or make things look bad when they didn't even happen. Let people decide things for themselves. You are the most negative thing that has happened to Elk County and Howard in a long time.
I can answer your questions to the best of my ability, Ross, but I cannot speak for the entire chamber membership. I take the minutes from the meetings.
I don't know if Mr. Stieben is associated with Elk Konnected. I do know that he is a chamber member and a businessman. I don't know what prompted him to make the suggestion. You would need to ask him. The reason you don't see any approval or rejection of the suggestion is because there was no motion made to accept or reject it. And no, Ross, suggestions are not "usually" acted upon. Many suggestions are made with no action taken.
I suspect you omitted Mr. Stieben's name to give the impression the chamber itself was making a request for county funds. That is known as censoring. It also could be considered manipulation of a fact to serve a purpose. Anyone who had not read the news item in the newspaper would not know you had omitted the name. I agree that most people who read this forum are adults who will form opinions based on the information provided. To not provide all the information when it is available is deceitful. Again, my opinion. If that was not your intent, I apologize.
Concerning your question about chamber involvement in forming Elk Konnected: I did not live in Howard at that time nor was I a chamber member. Those decisions were made before my time here, and you have asked questions I cannot answer. Jefe de vaca made the statement. Ask him to clarify his comments.
Some of the events sponsored by the Howard Chamber of Commerce include an Easter egg hunt, open to all children in Elk County (not just Howard); a 4-H fair parade (open to all people in the county as well as 4-H members), a Christmas open house (open to all members of the county, not just Howard residents), and yes, the Elk River Festival, which is open to all residents of Elk County and anyone else who wishes to attend. Funds raised by the festival are used for chamber activities and projects, many of which benefit the entire county. Will the chamber ever seek county funds for these activities? I have no knowledge or authority to answer that question or any others about future decisions made by an organization.
I trust I have answered the questions to your satisfaction.
Rosco, you are the biggest blowhard I've ever had the displeasure to witness in my adult life. What a waste of space and oxygen.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 26, 2011, 07:35:46 PM
Rosco, you are the biggest blowhard I've ever had the displeasure to witness in my adult life. What a waste of space and oxygen.
I don't believe your opinion of me is irrelevant to the topic.
But thank you for expressing yourself in such an ugly manner. Although it is not very becoming,
and it does not add anything of real interest.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Mr. Ross! (Waving hand and jumping up and down) Oo-Oo! Did you know a double negative makes something mean positive? Ya better proof read before the Cat sees it? ;) Don't mind me, my funny bone is tingling.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I can answer your questions to the best of my ability, Ross, but I cannot speak for the entire chamber membership. I take the minutes from the meetings.
I sincerely thank you for that honest answer.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I don't know if Mr. Stieben is associated with Elk Konnected. I do know that he is a chamber member and a businessman. I don't know what prompted him to make the suggestion. You would need to ask him. The reason you don't see any approval or rejection of the suggestion is because there was no motion made to accept or reject it. And no, Ross, suggestions are not "usually" acted upon. Many suggestions are made with no action taken.
But it does plant the seed, that you can not deny.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I suspect you omitted Mr. Stieben's name to give the impression the chamber itself was making a request for county funds. That is known as censoring. It also could be considered manipulation of a fact to serve a purpose. Anyone who had not read the news item in the newspaper would not know you had omitted the name. I agree that most people who read this forum are adults who will form opinions based on the information provided. To not provide all the information when it is available is deceitful. Again, my opinion. If that was not your intent, I apologize.
As I explained earlier the very first thing I said was:
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
So they could read it for themselves. Thank you apology graciously accepted.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
Concerning your question about chamber involvement in forming Elk Konnected: I did not live in Howard at that time nor was I a chamber member. Those decisions were made before my time here, and you have asked questions I cannot answer. Jefe de vaca made the statement. Ask him to clarify his comments.
Well, Jefe de vaca does read this thread so perhaps he will clarify which Chamber of Commerce he is referring to, for all of us.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
Some of the events sponsored by the Howard Chamber of Commerce include an Easter egg hunt, open to all children in Elk County (not just Howard); a 4-H fair parade (open to all people in the county as well as 4-H members), a Christmas open house (open to all members of the county, not just Howard residents), and yes, the Elk River Festival, which is open to all residents of Elk County and anyone else who wishes to attend. Funds raised by the festival are used for chamber activities and projects, many of which benefit the entire county. Will the chamber ever seek county funds for these activities? I have no knowledge or authority to answer that question or any others about future decisions made by an organization.
I believe all those events would be open to any one in the state or even people passing through but that does not make them a state activity or a national activity to raise funds, does it. Therefore the proper terminology for a City of Howard function or activity would appear to me to be a "City of Howard function or activity" open to the public. Or if you only want to limit the function or activity to the citizens of Elk County you could say City of Howard activity open to Elk County residents only. But let's try using proper terminology and keep things clear to the general public instead of deception by omission as you suggested lying by omission.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 07:13:01 PM
I trust I have answered the questions to your satisfaction.
I feel you have done your best. Thank You.
Yeah, the Cat saw it...And is purring...LOL...
Better to be thought stupid than to open your mouth and prove the point.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 26, 2011, 06:03:05 PM
Ross, you are always trying to stir up trouble or make things look bad when they didn't even happen. Let people decide things for themselves. You are the most negative thing that has happened to Elk County and Howard in a long time.
You can say all the ugly things that may come in to you mind and your heart and I will forgive you.
I don't see where asking a few questions is stirring up trouble.
Unless you are saying someone is doing something wrong, is that it?
I know, I know! Some of you don't like taxpayers and voters asking questions as concerned citizens.
Do you feel that only certain people in the county have rights?
Do the questions create a fear in you?
Is there something to hide?
Or is it you don't want to communicate?
What is your problem?
Let's discuss it but let's not be ugly about it, okay?
In the mean time let's talk about
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 26, 2011, 08:10:09 PM
Yeah, the Cat saw it...And is purring...LOL...
Better to be thought stupid than to open your mouth and prove the point.
You do a good job of saying all the wrong things, don't you? So I guess that proves your point.
I'm sorry.
The truth hurts, right?
So what do you know about the subject matter that migh impress anyone?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Rosco, all anyone hears is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The day of your having said anything new...Anything relevant...Anything worth reading, other than to count the number of pages it amounts to...Was eons ago. I know this Forum amounts to the only social interaction you seem to have in your life. For that, I pity you. But for all of the vicious, backbiting, condescending, vacant posts you put on here, you'd have no life. You are just nothing but sad.
Quote from: mayflower on August 26, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
It happens time and again. It is just the manipulation of facts. Good to hear from you Indygal.
Manipulation of what facts? Do you read the paper?
Isn't that the first fact I presented, Read it in the paper?
Did I need to type out the whole article for you?
Talk about manipulation of the facts!
Here it is again just for you. Fact:
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
And I simply asked questions. Are questions a new form of presenting Facts?
I don't think so.
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Ross, there are a few points I wish to clarify.
I repeat that it is not possible to know or even guess at the intent of the suggestion made by Mr. Stieben. Using your logic, one might also argue that you are "planting seeds" of suspicion and speculation. But is there really any way for anyone to know that? Therefore, I can and do deny that I know "seeds were being planted."
I also agree that proper terminologies should be used, so here they are. The Howard Chamber of Commerce is not a City of Howard organization. It is not a government entity, and it is not funded by taxes. It is a membership dues-paying professional organization. It serves to represent Howard businesses, as this type of group is designed to do, but it also has widened its scope to include activities and projects that benefit the county as a whole. Most members do live in Howard, but some live elsewhere in the county, and some live outside of the county. I don't see where there was ever any mention by me or in the meeting report of state or national funding for activities. Could you point this out, please?
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
Ross, there are a few points I wish to clarify.
I repeat that it is not possible to know or even guess at the intent of the suggestion made by Mr. Stieben. Using your logic, one might also argue that you are "planting seeds" of suspicion and speculation. But is there really any way for anyone to know that? Therefore, I can and do deny that I know "seeds were being planted."
Okay, I yield to your denial simply because you may not have recognized the action as such. It was brought up at the meeting and I believe that qualifies as planting a seed.
My asking simple questions may be construed as what ever you heart desires. But I believe the fact that they go unanswered would do more in what you suggest.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
I also agree that proper terminologies should be used, so here they are. The Howard Chamber of Commerce is not a City of Howard organization. It is not a government entity, and it is not funded by taxes. It is a membership dues-paying professional organization. It serves to represent Howard businesses, as this type of group is designed to do,
I know what the organization is. Chamber of Commerce with the name of a city usually are comprised of the merchants in that community. Just like the Moline Chamber of Commerce. Not a city government organization. No on suggested otherwise.
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
but it also has widened its scope to include activities and projects that benefit the county as a whole. Most members do live in Howard, but some live elsewhere in the county, and some live outside of the county.
Now that sounds a whole lot like Elk Konnected, let me guess the one's outside of the county, would that
be Severy????
Quote from: indygal on August 26, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
I don't see where there was ever any mention by me or in the meeting report of state or national funding for activities. Could you point this out, please?
Nor did I say anything about state or national funding???
Quote from: Catwoman on August 26, 2011, 08:30:19 PM
Rosco, all anyone hears is blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The day of your having said anything new...Anything relevant...Anything worth reading, other than to count the number of pages it amounts to...Was eons ago. I know this Forum amounts to the only social interaction you seem to have in your life. For that, I pity you. But for all of the vicious, backbiting, condescending, vacant posts you put on here, you'd have no life. You are just nothing but sad.
Why do you keep coming back if all that you say is true?
And would you please quote all those vicious, backbiting, condescending things that you say I have written? Please?
Please?
No Catwoman I am not sad I am quite happy. And you have no idea about my life or the people I associate with.
There for you continue to prove your point.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 26, 2011, 08:10:09 PM
Yeah, the Cat saw it...And is purring...LOL...
Better to be thought stupid than to open your mouth and prove the point.
What qualifies you to say what everyone else hears?
Goodnight, I'm off to beddybye time.
Yup, you just made my case for me. Don't you ever get tired of shooting yourself in the foot?
Catwoman, he's doing a good job. Obviously, you liberals are opposed to him or his American stand.
Stay right in there, Ross.
If page count is any indication...Then yes...He's doing a stellar job. Of what, no one is sure. But yes...He's got the page count up high enough to qualify for some sort of recognition, I agree.
You won't learn much counting the pages. Stay tuned to what Ross is saying and you might learn something.
Ross, I've posted your comments in red:
It would appear County Events would by put on by Elk County such as the Summer Day Camp which County Government funded with a grant they received. Now wasn't that a County Event
This statement prompted my earlier reply listing a number of Howard chamber events that are open to anyone who wishes to attend. They are not considered to be strictly Elk County events nor Howard-only events. They are community events sponsored by the chamber, not by the city or county government.
I believe all those events would be open to any one in the state or even people passing through but that does not make them a state activity or a national activity to raise funds, does it. Therefore the proper terminology for a City of Howard function or activity would appear to me to be a "City of Howard function or activity" open to the public. Or if you only want to limit the function or activity to the citizens of Elk County you could say City of Howard activity open to Elk County residents only. But let's try using proper terminology and keep things clear to the general public instead of deception by omission as you suggested lying by omission.
Again, the Howard chamber does not claim to be a state or national group in regard to fund-raising or any other activity. Neither does it exclude anyone from attending or participating in its events. You ask that proper terminology be used; I agree and ask that you do the same.
I don't have the membership roster in front of me, but I can state with certainty that there are members who live outside of Elk County. I know there are a few in Wichita. I'm not sure about Severy. I believe at one time there was, but I don't know if that person has renewed membership. As I said, I don't have the roster. The reason I mentioned this originally was to illustrate that the group is not comprised of nor does it serve only Howard people to the exclusion of others. It is not a City of Howard organization, a term that you used that is not correct.
I feel I've responded to your questions sufficiently. The chamber is planning a wonderful fall festival, and everyone is welcome to not only attend, but to help with preparations. Volunteers are always welcome and encouraged. I hope all who are reading this, no matter where they live, will attend the festival and enjoy themselves.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 26, 2011, 09:12:01 PM
Yup, you just made my case for me. Don't you ever get tired of shooting yourself in the foot?
I'm so sorry that you don't comprehend what you write or read!
Clearly it is your foot that gets in the way.
you also don't seem to comprehend the questions. Please try re-reading them and try again.
Here they are again:
Quote from: Ross on August 26, 2011, 09:01:51 PM
Why do you keep coming back if all that you say is true?
And would you please quote all those vicious, backbiting, condescending things that you say I have written? Please?
Please?
No Catwoman I am not sad I am quite happy. And you have no idea about my life or the people I associate with.
Therefore, you continue to prove your point.What qualifies you to say what everyone else hears?
Especially, quote the viciousness, backbiting and condescending things that you allege that I say on the subject matter.
This is extremely important to prove your truthfulness or prove don't and prove yourself a liar.
Try to have yourself a very good wekend.
Indyal My responses to your post are in italics and Blue.
Quote from: indygal on August 27, 2011, 05:32:50 AM
Ross, I've posted your comments in red:
It would appear County Events would by put on by Elk County such as the Summer Day Camp which County Government funded with a grant they received. Now wasn't that a County Event
This statement prompted my earlier reply listing a number of Howard chamber events that are open to anyone who wishes to attend. They are not considered to be strictly Elk County events nor Howard-only events. They are community events sponsored by the chamber, not by the city or county government.
I believe all those events would be open to any one in the state or even people passing through but that does not make them a state activity or a national activity to raise funds, does it. Therefore the proper terminology for a City of Howard function or activity would appear to me to be a "City of Howard function or activity" open to the public. Or if you only want to limit the function or activity to the citizens of Elk County you could say City of Howard activity open to Elk County residents only. But let's try using proper terminology and keep things clear to the general public instead of deception by omission as you suggested lying by omission.
Again, the Howard chamber does not claim to be a state or national group in regard to fund-raising or any other activity. Neither does it exclude anyone from attending or participating in its events. You ask that proper terminology be used; I agree and ask that you do the same.
I did not say they claimed to be "state or national group in regard to fund-raising or any other activity."
So what is your point? My point was that it is not a County Function. Okay call it a function taking place inHoward, how's that/
I don't have the membership roster in front of me, but I can state with certainty that there are members who live outside of Elk County. I know there are a few in Wichita. I'm not sure about Severy. I believe at one time there was, but I don't know if that person has renewed membership. As I said, I don't have the roster. The reason I mentioned this originally was to illustrate that the group is not comprised of nor does it serve only Howard people to the exclusion of others. It is not a City of Howard organization, a term that you used that is not correct.
The organization is located in Howard and has the name Howard. Most of it's members are in Howard.
Hence the organization is a Howard organization. Not ran by the City of Howard and no one has ever said it was ran by the city government have they? The Easter Egg hunt, the 4-H fair, Christmas Open House you may put on will be in the City of Howard, ergo Howard functions open to the public. Even if they are from Texas.
The Batson Ace Hardware Store is in Howard therefore a Howard buisness, right?
It is not a Moline Business even though they have customers in Moline, right?
I feel I've responded to your questions sufficiently. The chamber is planning a wonderful fall festival, and everyone is welcome to not only attend, but to help with preparations. Volunteers are always welcome and encouraged. I hope all who are reading this, no matter where they live, will attend the festival and enjoy themselves.
Rosco, you are one sad, strange little man. Get outside, get some sunshine...Maybe increase in your vitamin D level will help.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 06:54:35 AM
Rosco, you are one sad, strange little man. Get outside, get some sunshine...Maybe increase in your vitamin D level will help.
You just can't help yourself can you. You just like to diss people and I understand.
For your information I have been out in the sun and working in the heat.
And as an extra value I have lost 8 pounds in the last two weeks. All without the Elk Konnected Wellness Center.
And really I am not or have not been over weight.
I bet as a sixty five year old ol fart, I am far more active than you are.
And strange is a very good attribute far better than being a disser.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 06:54:35 AM
Rosco, you are one sad, strange little man. Get outside, get some sunshine...Maybe increase in your vitamin D level will help.
Speaking of strange, sad and lacking sunshine...
Is it appropriate for a government agency to seek and obtain a private grant on behalf of and for the use of a private company? And further to receive and hold those grant monies in the government coffers to be disbursed by a county employee through a government owned credit card on behalf of the same private company? Is it right for this to happen once? How about twice... or better yet three times? Each for more than $13,000. And each for what amounts to little more than a glorified marketing and branding promotion.
Where does the government end and the private company begin? Such is the relationship between Elk Konnected and the government of Elk County, Kansas.
I bet there are a lot of small businesses that would like to have a government signature on their requests for project funds.
Talk about special interests running government! Maybe the EK steering committee should steer EK in a direction that avoids such collisions. Unless their intentions something other than as advertised.....
Now, back to your regularly scheduled backbiting catfight.....
LOL :D Patriot.
But if catwoman is an educator I sure hope she doesn't teach a class in dissing people.
"In God we Trust!"
In 1887 Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinborough, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior:
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
Sort of like lollipops for dollars, don't you think?
"The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
1. From bondage to spiritual faith;
2. From spiritual faith to great courage;
3. From courage to liberty;
4. From liberty to abundance;
5. From abundance to complacency;
6. From complacency to apathy;
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
Where are we at 5,6 or 7?
Or maybe even 8.
It seems to me everyone has their hand out for money to further their own causes, but who cares?
This is truly scary! Of course we are not a democracy, we are a Constitutional Republic. Someone should point this out. Of course we know too many pay little attention to The Constitution.
But who cares???
Quote from: Ross on August 27, 2011, 01:55:32 PM
LOL :D Patriot.
But if catwoman is an educator I sure hope she doesn't teach a class in dissing people.
I don't know, i've seen better dissing.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 27, 2011, 02:36:45 PM
I don't know, i've seen better dissing.
I know srkruzich but I am just entertaining myself by providing the poor educator a little ego.
ROFLMAO
Quote from: Ross on August 27, 2011, 02:21:26 PM
...every democracy will finally collapse over loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
...
7. From apathy to dependence;
8. From dependence back into bondage."
Great reminders, Ross. But, since you asked.... too few care, I opine. Thanks for the post.
:(
;D I don't "diss" people...I just call it like I see it. It's not my fault if the descriptors fit the individuals in question... ;D.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 27, 2011, 04:59:54 PM
;D I don't "diss" people...I just call it like I see it. It's not my fault if the descriptors fit the individuals in question... ;D.
Then apparently you don't know what it is.
What it is, is the subject "Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25"
Try this question:
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
I don't know what it is to "diss" people? I don't recognize disrespect when I see it? Ross, you either are massively obsessive-compulsive in your behaviors or you are just a jerk. Either way...You have massively disrespected a great number of people on here. You and the other rightwing loonies on here are of the opinion that your opinions are the only correct answer to any question posed on here. You have received answers many times over to your idiot-level questioning...Yet not once have any of you made an open attempt to contact any of the people whose names you've been given. You are so narcissistic that you seek the sound of your own voice over the calm acceptance that this has gone on long enough.
I disrespect people? Quite the contrary...I give people the credit of having the good sense and good breeding to know when to leave a room graciously. I have left this room a number of times...Only to return to attempt to fight the rampant ignorance exhibited here. Blame it on the teacher in me...But I still hold out the hope that even the unteachable can be somehow helped. On your part, Ross...There is no hope of that.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 07:53:25 AM
I have left this room a number of times...Only to return to attempt to fight the rampant ignorance exhibited here. Blame it on the teacher in me...
Yup, your constant exposure to the insulated world & poisons of academia are really showing... we're gonna do this over and over and over till we get it right... by your definition of right. Silly woman. The fact is that you just can't stay away because you're just as obsessed as you claim others to be. Johari strikes again. But, what the heck, it gives others a chance to see the same questions you wish to stifle... questions like:
Besides taxpayer and private grant funded activities for a few kids and continued attempts at self promotion, what has Elk Konnected really done to improve life for citizens in Elk county? Lower taxes, better infrastructures, new business, jobs?
Well, there is that all important certification by the left leaning, spread the wealth, community organization group called Public Square Communities, LLC.
Liberals seem to find ways to re-invent themselves. They can call themselves moderates or progressives and they'll still be
liberals.
There won't be any community improvements by way of EK and its like socialist methods.
Why not just call the EK a fraudulent community organization? It fits.
Patriot...You are a product of those poisons of academia. And no...My huge number of absences from here is not indicative of any obsession...It's just that when presented with ignorance, it is too much to ignore. And, since you bring up the questions regarding this incessant rant against EK and whatever it is that they are involved in...
Have any of you rightwing loonies bothered to contact any of the multitudinous names you've been given?
Or are all of you just spouting the same old, rightwing, obsessed, mentally deranged rant, complete with scrolling banners?
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
Patriot...You are a product of those poisons of academia. And no...My huge number of absences from here is not indicative of any obsession...It's just that when presented with ignorance, it is too much to ignore.
Only in part. Your government indoctrination centers were a failure in numbing me down completely.
You're right. Your absences do not indicate obsession... your repeated returns do. As do your lack of self control in ignoring that which you claim to be of such little value.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
And, since you bring up the questions regarding this incessant rant against EK and whatever it is that they are involved in...
Have any of you rightwing loonies bothered to contact any of the multitudinous names you've been given?
Yes.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 09:28:33 AM
Or are all of you just spouting the same old, rightwing, obsessed, mentally deranged rant, complete with scrolling banners?
I remind you, again, that the court of public opinion does not meet in darkened backrooms. Nor do they meet outdoors miles from civilization under big trees near closed down, antique school buildings and artesian wells in the middle of the week in 105 degree temps. They meet in coffee shops, cafes, on forums like this and in their living rooms 24/7. Perhaps there's a purpose to this thread that you are too ignorant to recognize. But, I assure you, your ignorance of that fact doesn't mean it isn't so nor that the desired effect is being achieved. It is. Count on it.
In spite of on the record denials by one county commissioner that EK hasn't taken tax monies, they have (as a matter of public record). So why should we believe all else that EK (or that commissioner for that matter) pronounces about itself?
If it walks like a duck, etc., etc., etc.
Stay connected citizens.
Patriot, you've once again made my case for me. ::) Stay Konnected, citizens...You're on the right track.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:03:40 PM
Patriot, you've once again made my case for me. ::) Stay Konnected, citizens...You're on the right track.
I guess spelling wasn't a specialty in school for you. Please to note the difference. Correct vs incorrect. Sorry you missed the distinction between right and wrong. But then, that's kind of a pattern with some of you and your forum friends, isn't it. Much like the distinction between appropriate and inappropriate functions of government in American communities.
Government money - they're wanting it and they're determined to capture it by and thru "democracy" however they can.
In other words, get a vote to take from the treasury the money that was taxed from the citizens. How much more
liberty do we surrender to these thugs and their scheming?
It's not the kids that EK proclaims to represent, it's ultimate goal is socialism. How can Americans not see that?
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 28, 2011, 12:35:45 PM
... it's ultimate goal is socialism. How can Americans not see that?
Perhaps decades of slow, methodical encroachment by socialists through government schools, youth programs, and local community politics offers some explanation. No justification, just partial explanation. Start with the young and mold them. Sad, isn't it?
Quote from: Patriot on August 28, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
I guess spelling wasn't a specialty in school for you. Please to note the difference. Correct vs incorrect. Sorry you missed the distinction between right and wrong. But then, that's kind of a pattern with some of you and your forum friends, isn't it. Much like the distinction between appropriate and inappropriate functions of government in American communities.
You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you...Poor guy...
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 12:45:26 PM
You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you...Poor guy...
Ad hominem, dear catwoman, ad hominem. Go for it. And when you're done, try to debate the real issues. We'll be here. Waiting.
260 pages later, we're ALL waiting...Take number. ;D
Come on guys a person may have documents saying they are an educator but that is probably only on the primary level, you know grade school level. And as I have told her in the past I am thankful she is not my sons teacher.
The lack of comprehension and the ability to blindly follow people you don't know, are strong indicators to me of a poor teacher whether it's grade school or a professor at a major college. The missing ability to think for ones self may also be a factor.
She's just not paying attention. All I am doing is asking simple questions?
And she has no answers which I am sure irritates her to no end.
I mean after all a couple of months ago she said the following and I quote:
Quote from: Catwoman on June 12, 2011, 09:06:22 PM
::) Yes, I am an educator...No, I'm not going to waste time and space by listing what you can easily find, here on the Forum, with a little research. As far as you thinking you know me from a few "sound bites"...LOL... ;D...If you know me that well, then you know about how much patience I have with worthless verbal exchanges that have no bearing on how things progress. My time is worth more than that...Hence, my absence from the Forum for the past 1-2 years. But, don't let my lack of enthusiasm/reticence to get embroiled in online rhetoric dissuade you...Have at it. ::)
She says the answers are easily found right here on the forum but she can't list the answers. How terrible is that?
But yet, here she comes again with no answers to the questions. The poor, poor dear aggravating herself in such a manner.
Just the same let's give her another chance to answer some questions if she can. she failed the lasttime, perhaps she can do better this time.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Ross, I am not going to engage in pointless cut and paste activities...The answers are there, as you damn well know. Instead of wasting space and time, with your pointless rant, start spending some of that time calling the people who have already been named, instead of calling everyone and their dog out. THEN come back here and give all of us a report on what you learned.
Isn't going to happen, though, is it?
Real, constructive action would run contrary to getting to put a scrolling banner on each post.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Ross, I am not going to engage in pointless cut and paste activities...The answers are there, as you damn well know.
I think you are arrogantly ignorant or something to that affect. If the answers were there it would not be a pointless copy and paste activity. (It is not a cut and paste activity) and you would prove you know something. Which by the way you have failed miserably at proving anything that you say. I'm sorry for you failure, please try harder.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Instead of wasting space and time, with your pointless riant, start spending some of that time calling the people who have already been named, instead of calling everyone and their dog out.
Due to your lack of comprehension and inability to read the printed word as it is displayed I will try to explain all of it once again, okay. What space and time am I wasting? If it's your time I'm wasting, I say shame on you for letting that happen. You know of course you don't have to be here?
What may appear pointless to your shallow way of thinking may not be so to others. And the ranting is on your part which I am sure people are getting a giggle out of. We have called each and everyone of them right here on this forum and we are aware that they are following this thread or having someone follow it for them. They don't want to talk plain and simple. They prefer to have us believe the Savior of Elk County is Elk Konnected being operated via "The Magnificient Seven" on the steering committee so know one takes ownership or responsibility for this supposedly loosely knot organization. Which is actually a privately owned business who was unable to operate and keep open the Elk Konnected Wellness Center in Howard.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
THEN come back here and give all of us a report on what you learned.
As has been posted on this thread anything done outside of this forum/thread and reported back would only be considered hearsay, rumor or fabricated.
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Isn't going to happen, though, is it?
How perceptive!
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 04:13:30 PM
Real, constructive action would run contrary to getting to put a scrolling banner on each post.
In your opinion which is your entitlement.
Opinion rejected.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Blah, blah, blah...Got anything else? ???
Quote from: Catwoman on August 28, 2011, 06:06:25 PM
Blah, blah, blah...Got anything else? ???
Opinion rejected. ::)
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
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You know I recently read here on the forum that people use to mind their own business.
Well, I agree with that when it comes to a persons personal business to a degree.
The exceptions would include wife beaters, child abuse, animal abuse etc.
A couple of years ago I reported to the sheriffs department in Montgomery County the fact that some minature donkeys that were rescued were not recieveing the corrective measures requiring a veterinarian and farrier. The rescuer had not seen fit to take care of the problems for which they were removed from the original owner. That kind of personal business is everyones business.
The same goes for Elk Konnected. LLC a private company in my opinion. If they want to play in politics by being involved and influencing County Government, School Board Governments, City Governments and law enforcement then everything they do is my business and your business.
Why? Don"t you think your property taxes pay all those government expenses and therefore you have an equal interest in the governments and how Elk Konnected, LLC a private business affects those expenses?
Think about that?
Are you paying all those tax dollars out for a private company to have unfair influence over how those dollars are spent?
Elk Konnected. LLC says they are owned by no one, so no one whoever that is takes no responsibility for Elk konnected, LLC's actions, don't you wonder why that is?
Elk Konnected, LLC a privaely company is very obscure about anything connected with it, in my opinion. That's a problem to me and I think it should be a problem to you, IMHO. Don't you think you should be concerned?
The people of this great country have not been overly concerned about what our federal government has been doing over the past 50 years and now look where we are. It's kind of scary don't you think?
I just wish Elk Konnected, LLC a private company would live up to their word and talk with the community as they call it. I call it the elk County residents. Do it openly right here. And answer some questions. Don't you???
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions? mforget the lollipops, talk with us.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
OK, Flint...Fork it over...Not even a full 48 hours...I said by 8 P.M., I believe?
Quote from: Catwoman on August 30, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
OK, Flint...Fork it over...Not even a full 48 hours...I said by 8 P.M., I believe?
You called me a moron on the thread about teachers will I refused to stoop to your level then.
Guess what?
I still refuse to stoop to your level.
:) ;) :D ;D :o ::) :P :-* :-\ :'( :police:
Ross, no one can even see your eyebrows above the hole you've dug for yourself on this thread. If you do stoop at all, you'll disappear from sight completely...So for God's sake, don't stoop. We wouldn't want to lose track of you. ;D ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on August 30, 2011, 07:40:11 PM
Ross, no one can even see your eyebrows above the hole you've dug for yourself on this thread. If you do stoop at all, you'll disappear from sight completely...So for God's sake, don't stoop. We wouldn't want to lose track of you. ;D ;D
You are so cute, to bad you don't know anything about civics and local government.
Civics is the study of rights and duties of citizenship. Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
I am staying out of this as much as I can publicly... ( I have been criticized for that too) but that is the way it is going to be.
Of course I have concerns about what is going on in our little community, but to get on here ( as some seem to like to do) and just "stir the pot" with jabs and slurs ..trying to reroute the intent of the thread is something that I don't do on any subject.
So~~~
just for general information ( if anyone is interested) ......
as of Aug 23rd to todays date.. .I have received
16 emails..
7 personal messages
14 texts
all but one .. is in support of what Ross and Patriot have brought to light.
They're wanting answers..( on many levels) and wondering why there has been no response from Elk Konnected's main members.
My response to them is that the forum is there for anyone to use. I have no answers as I am not a member nor do I have the knowledge of what is going on, because of that.
Teresa....
Thank you for the perspective. Facts are such great equalizers.
Sigh,that was my first post on this thread in many many weeks. I was not trying to stir the pot or I would have posted many other times. It was a genuine question of interest to me, but I'll delete it. >:(
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 10:15:27 AM
Sigh,that was my first post on this thread in many many weeks. I was not trying to stir the pot or I would have posted many other times. It was a genuine question of interest to me, but I'll delete it. >:(
Why do you play the victim? Nothing was directed at you that needed a 'poor me, sigh, I'm sorry, sigh" response. I suggest that you are as much a part of the group think, play on emotion crowd as Elk Konnected is. Sigh, all for the kids.... sigh, why can't we all just get along, sigh, poor pitiful Elk Kounty... somebody must save them from themselves.
Facts, reality immersion and good management (along with a bit of horse sense) will save Elk County. Not a hand full of whining, coddling and do gooding all paid for with other peoples money.
When the administrator posts, then I must be wrong. So be it. I deleted it. I did not apologize. No victim here. ::)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 10:35:48 AM
When the administrator posts, then I must be wrong. So be it. I deleted it. I did not apologize. No victim here. ::)
You, dear Victim, were not singled out. You just ASSume it was about you. As I and others have pointed out numerous times... the world does NOT revolve around you and what you post.
Quote from: Teresa on August 31, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
I am staying out of this as much as I can publicly... ( I have been criticized for that too) but that is the way it is going to be.
Of course I have concerns about what is going on in our little community, but to get on here ( as some seem to like to do) and just "stir the pot" with jabs and slurs ..trying to reroute the intent of the thread is something that I don't do on any subject.
So~~~
just for general information ( if anyone is interested) ......
as of Aug 23rd to todays date.. .I have received
16 emails..
7 personal messages
14 texts
all but one .. is in support of what Ross and Patriot have brought to light.
They're wanting answers..( on many levels) and wondering why there has been no response from Elk Konnected's main members.
My response to them is that the forum is there for anyone to use. I have no answers as I am not a member nor do I have the knowledge of what is going on, because of that.
I am truely impressed by the numbers and proud of those people that are reading and asking their own questions even if not posting them.
I would be honored if they joined in, because I don't have all the questions and definitely no answers.
If for some reason they have a
question they can not ask for whatever reason, they
may send me a private message and I will considering asking the question.
However, anyone that wants to private message me with
something ugly forget it. I will gladly accept input from anybody.
Who steers the steering committee?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Teresa on August 31, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
as of Aug 23rd to todays date.. .I have received
16 emails..
7 personal messages
14 texts
all but one .. is in support of what Ross and Patriot have brought to light.
They're wanting answers..( on many levels) and wondering why there has been no response from Elk Konnected's main members.
Interesting. I'd have to say that your 16 emails, 7 pm's and 14 texts minus 1 of the above trumps the entire support group for Elk Konnected's response to sit down and shut up!
Elk County, It was nice to have known you. RIP my friend.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 10:35:48 AM
When the administrator posts, then I must be wrong. So be it. I deleted it. I did not apologize. No victim here. ::)
I do not for one minute believe that Teresa was singling any one out. I just don't believe that for one minute.
The only way I know Teresa is via this forum but perhaps some day I'll meet her.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 31, 2011, 12:02:34 PM
Elk County, It was nice to have known you. RIP my friend.
Now, that is a pathetic post by a newcomer.
3 whole post pn the forum and all negative in their content, although funny, weird in a way.
Makes me think of an Elk Konnected follower, am I right?
Perhaps you should consider the direction our country is headed, it's not good.
I hope and pray it turns around.
Elk County is very healthy in comparison.
So please come back and explain yourself!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
Quote from: srkruzich on August 31, 2011, 11:45:57 AM
Interesting. I'd have to say that your 16 emails, 7 pm's and 14 texts minus 1 of the above trumps the entire support group for Elk Konnected's response to sit down and shut up!
I've said, from day one, that I have faith in the citizens of Elk County. At large, I believe them to be intelligent enough to want facts about what's happening in their neck of the woods and with their hard earned tax dollars. These numbers only reinforce that view.
So.... why do we need to pay a government employee with tax dollars to sit in the steering committee of a private group and to supervise their private community activities? Can't they work with 4H, FFA, church youth groups, etc. to coordinate these activities? Why does that employee need to use government computers and cell phones to do work for a private enterprise, including the maintenance of the group's Facebook page. For that matter, why do we see a taxpayer provided cell number offered as a contact number for Elk Konnected? Heck.... why do we need a paid county level government office for 'youth development' in the first place? Are our parents, schools, churches, civic groups, etc. not up to the task of adequately 'developing' the youth of Elk County?
Quote from: crosstimber on August 31, 2011, 12:02:34 PM
Elk County, It was nice to have known you. RIP my friend.
If you are saying that a quest for fact, in the interest of wider public knowledge, is going to kill a county, you are sorely mistaken. If not, then clarification of your meaning would be helpful.
Quote from: Patriot on August 31, 2011, 12:09:39 PM
I've said, from day one, that I have faith in the citizens of Elk County. At large, I believe them to be intelligent enough to want facts about what's happening in their neck of the woods and with their hard earned tax dollars. These numbers only reinforce that view.
So.... why do we need to pay a government employee with tax dollars to sit in the steering committee of a private group and to supervise their private community activities? Can't they work with 4H, FFA, church youth groups, etc. to coordinate these activities? Why does that employee need to use government computers and cell phones to do work for a private enterprise, including the maintenance of the group's Facebook page. For that matter, why do we see a taxpayer provided cell number offered as a contact number for Elk Konnected? Heck.... why do we need a paid county level government office for 'youth development' in the first place? Are our parents, schools, churches, civic groups, etc. not up to the task of adequately 'developing' the youth of Elk County?
I just thought of something and it isn't necessarily pertinant to this topic but wht the hell i'm gonna post it anyway! :D
When i was a kid we used to go to the school football fields and fly kites ect ect ect. Do the schools still let folks go use the facilities on weekends when school is not in session. I remember i used to go to fly my RC planes at the football field at the highschool in the town i grew up in. Taxpayers paid for it, it ought to be open to all.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 31, 2011, 12:16:22 PM
Taxpayers paid for it, it ought to be open to all.
Absent any significant liability issues, I would think so.
Patriot, I'll post once more thing and then I'll leave this thread again.Teresa's post was right after mine. Nothing was said in that post that led me to believe she didn't mean me. If I'm wrong she'll tell me who she did mean. You have 667 members on the forum. Tell me there were a huge majority of pro Pat. and Ross responses ,then you've got something.
Your saying that anybody who has a difference of opinion and speaks up is playing a "victim," is a cheap shot and is not true anyway. I don't like to have to play in your mud to, in this case, ask a perfectly good question about what you had said.You apparently didn't want to answer my question. So, now I know that everyone is apparently miserable and unhappy in Elk County, or should be according to a few of you. You have essentially said that people who don't feel as you do are fools. I doubt everyone appreciates that. But that's your business I guess ,none of mine. I'm gone again. :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
So, now I know that everyone is apparently miserable and unhappy in Elk County, or should be according to a few of you.
That statement is untrue as the day is long and maybe more so.
We have a beautiful county with beautiful country and scenic drives.
Travel the back country roads for a different and beautiful view of our world.
And Diane there are some mighty fine people here in Elk County and I am not speaking of people of money that think money buys respect. I am speaking of hard working, honest and respectable everyday people. That's what makes Elk County great.
But, like anywhere else we have a few (a very few) that in my opinion want to control anything and everything and everybody.
I just spoke on the phone with one of the greatest people in Moline, she is the sweetest, most honest and helpful people I know. It was concerning a matter of a very young couple that needs help, a couple I don't even know. Oh, yea I was skeptical when I first meet this lady and it took time to trust that all that sweetness and kindness still existed after living in the cities for 40 plus years. But it is alive and well in Elk County. This lady has connections that may get the couple some help and that is why I called her.
The issue on this thread isn't about Elk County citizens being unhappy but staying happy. I hope you can recognize the difference.
People with hold posting for many reasons and I can't say what their particular reason is. But in my experience in life with politics in a small community in Texas the people would not speak up because their daddy worked for the richest man in town who happened to be on the city council. Another had an Aunt or an Uncle or brother or sister that worked for a friend of the person. You see in that town they did live in a slavery type of atmosphere. I spoke up and wrote letters to the editor and they were published. A city councilmen went to my supervisor and told him to fire me, my supervisor could not do that because of the company policy (a major company). So next the city councilmen asked me to go for a ride with him out in the country, which never happened.
So Diane don't belittle the citizens of Elk County with out knowing more on the subject. I know they are reading and they are talking and it's not gossip.
Oh yes Diane I forgot.
There are very few Elk Konnected,LLC followers that oppose our questions. They are not members of Elk Konnected, LLC because Elk Konnected, LLC the privately owned company (which claims to have no owner) has no membership. Very few of them out of the 667 members of this forum that you refered to respond so your point is mute. But the ones that do respond have no answers and in my opinion that is way they lash out at us with all the ugly remarks. And that is another reason, I try to be decent and kind to a point. Because I understand their frustration.
I'm right in there with them, I don't understand what the heck Elk Konnected, LLC really is.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
Patriot, I'll post once more thing and then I'll leave this thread again.
Pick at scabs and then wonder why they get infected. Sheesh.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
You have 667 members on the forum. Tell me there were a huge majority of pro Pat. and Ross responses ,then you've got something.
Do you have any idea how many 'non-registered' folk read this forum as guests, and could they be among those who have a vested interest in the questions being presented?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
Your saying that anybody who has a difference of opinion and speaks up is playing a "victim," is a cheap shot and is not true anyway.
No, I'm said YOU were whining like a victim in re Teresa's post. You were. And that has nothing to do with differences of opinion on the topic of this thread.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
I don't like to have to play in your mud to, in this case, ask a perfectly good question about what you has said.You apparently didn't want to answer my question. So, now I know that everyone is apparently miserable and unhappy in Elk County, or should be according to a few of you.
First, if you don't want to play in the mud, then put on your damned bobby socks n penny loafers an get out of the mud puddle. Second, I have never even suggested that everyone is, or should be, unhappy here. Quite the contrary. As I said a couple of posts back, I have tremendous confidence in the citizens of Elk County. I believe the majority, however, both want and deserve facts and government transparency. Seems Teresa's information supports that position.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
You have essentially said that people who don't feel as you do are fools. I doubt everyone appreciates that.
Not true. But some of the distractions and non-answers do appear to be quite foolish. If those folks can't appreciate the foolishness of their responses, then so be it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
But that's your business I guess ,none of mine.
No need to guess. On that point we agree completely.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
I'm gone again. :P
You and your sourpuss smiley have a nice, mud free, day.
It worked! Mr.Ross, I was hoping you would say something nice and you did. ;) :-*
I've been all over your area many times during my entire life and know how nice it is. I'm not the one belittling the good people out there, but posts from a few of you over and over and over become annoying and will put people on the defensive.
You few do have some political gunslingers on your side. There are also some out there who see you few as a total embarrassment to the area because of how you talk to people.
Get your personal EK followers, that you say agree with you, and file charges for an investigation. Be prepared to pay for legal counsel and pay if you lose. If there is something afoot, you'll find it. Every time I look on here, it's to see if something new has happened or something has broken free. But it's always the same.
You will not get any more answers than you already have and you expect what you want to be served up to you.....not happening. You won't take any legal steps, so that's that.
I know, and have as family, many other people in Kansas, OK,Texas and other Southern states that I've known all my life. They are proper polite people, conservatives, and would never, stoop to talk as mean,common and rude as some of you do to others here on this forum, particularly people you've never even met. (Even telling someone they are whiny should be beneath you it is so critical, rude and uncouth.) The family would be very ashamed. Good people know how to debate opposite sides of an issue, but never make it personal.
I do know how nice and friendly the people out there can be. So squabble among yourselves you want. You don't want to be friends? It's fun to try to insult this Yankee moderate Independent? Oh,well. No "victim" here.
Ya make it sound like everybody has to be labeled predator or prey. Gone and no replies this time... and it's moot not mute...you just wish I was mute!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 01:28:48 PM
Patriot, I'll post once more thing and then I'll leave this thread again.Teresa's post was right after mine. Nothing was said in that post that led me to believe she didn't mean me. If I'm wrong she'll tell me who she did mean.
Diane Diane Diane............you poor thing..
Why do you always jump in the middle of the circle and assume everything anyone says is about you? I'm just continually amazed at the high level of your narcissism. ..or maybe you just feel guilty all the time and so you're the first to step up when the least little thing is said that is from the opposite side of the street that you're standing on. I really don't know why you always assume such things...~~ And not to be rude.. But I really don't care.. Maybe you just think the shoes fits nicely.. and you like to stomp around in them all the time. Personally I'd think the pity party would get mighty boring after awhile .. but that's just my opinion..
And to my knowledge I didn't specifically single anyone out. That wasn't even my intent for the post. YOU were not singled out.. and I don't know what section of the forum you were reading, but as far as I could see... Unless you deleted it before I got on the forum to read it..... you didn't have a post even close to when I posted. ( And the part about
"If I'm wrong she'll tell me who she did mean. ......well~~~ you're wrong on that part.. I'm not telling you anything.
As I said.. I don't have any answers or any information about what is going on or what isn't going on. I'm not in a postilion to get in the middle of this with anything I might think. All I did was post some stats encompassing a week and a half. I get feedback on a regular basis.. sometimes it's small amounts and other times it's on a large scale.
I have received feedback since all of this ( and the windmill and road threads ) started. Some are positive.. some are negative..and some are REALLY negative and REALLY positive.. ;D.. but I try to calmly listen to all of them.. generally responding as best as I can on both sides.. and try to ..in short... keep my sanity and my humor during it all. I also get phone calls and face to face verbiage and have enjoyed hearing what others have said about what they think is going on.. plus other feedback about the forum.
And since it's continually posted by some in here that Ross is "pissin' in the wind" and no one is listening.. I just thought I might clear it up a bit.
To address this.........
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
I know, and have as family, many other people in Kansas, OK,Texas and other Southern states that I've known all my life. They are proper polite people, conservatives, and would never, stoop to talk as mean,common and rude as some of you do to others here on this forum, particularly people you've never even met. (Even telling someone they are whiny should be beneath you it is so critical, rude and uncouth.) The family would be very ashamed. Good people know how to debate opposite sides of an issue, but never make it personal.
I will say this..you're right ....... As far as rudeness goes? There's plenty of rudeness in this forum. I think all you have to do is read some of the posts and public language to see the writing on the wall of who might fit in this category. But to be fair.... " No one ..not any of us.. me included.. hasn't lost our temper in here and took a trip down the rude road." Not pretty... but its human frailty, I'm afraid.
But as far as the posts from Ross? I don't think there's any rudeness at all within his questions and statements that he has continually ask and made. Even when he is rudely slammed and put down.. he continues ( as far as I have seen) to strongly stay the course and to be courteous and consistent in his main objective.. and that is to just ask valid questions to an issue that should concern people who live in Elk County.
Now Patriot is a little more " in your face" with his posts... but if you're honest with yourself and look outside the box.. its hard to try to denounce the things he says... because franky.. the man is on his A Game with it comes to intelligence and being able to back up what he says. I personally feel extremely inferior and wouldn't get in too much of a debate with him unless I really liked to have the feel of egg on my face.
I am singling these 2 out because it seems that everyone wants to make it "about them"...
It ISN'T ABOUT THEM people~~~ They don''t even insinuate or want it about THEM..
It's about issues and concerns with what is going on within our county. I would think that no matter what the subject is.. and what organization it involves "the tax paying people of this county" would want to know all areas of the issues good and bad..
I think that's where people are at this moment.. They want some answers by valid parties to be able to answer the questions that they have. They're not hard questions... or I don't think that they are. I would think that the answers ..if there are answers.. would be pretty easy to post and explain. I'm just sayin'...........................
The quieter it is... the worse people think..
I probably talked more than I needed to.. but I didn't realize I had to have a post for the justification on my post..
If I can clear anything else up for anyone on here about what I am thinking or posting.... just let me know.
I'm here in this town for the duration of my life.. :)
I am not going to quote anyone, and just say how I feel:
I am one of the 400+ members of this forum, and found it very interesting and a yellow flag to me of the topic.
I signed up and started asking questions. Some were answered with not so appropriate answers in my opinion, however the answers were always polite as someone who thought I was blowing smoke, could be
I also live in proximity to Elk County. And I thought I would follow it to see if any ANY group that is similar to what is happening in Elk County might come to mine...and with the information.
If so, I would:
1. welcome them
2. Be weary of the group
So far...nothing has come to light except a muddled twist of titles and names.
Personally, I think by the facts and info presented....there is a slight of hand and a name laundering going on with the taxpayers money.
Can't proove it, need to follow the money triail.
Just my Opinion.
And, why hasn't there been anymore meetings with Elk Konnected to obtain more goals? (That may be hypothetical at this point)
I guess Elk Konnected is self sufficient and ongoing by joining forces with those that have Konnections.
That is where my focus is...not who is responsible.
Good Luck, Elk County....I know the citizens are good people and are aware of a smoke screen.
ready
GREAT POST TERESA!
Amen Teresa... I AM a taxpaying citizen (although sometimes my taxes are paid late, they still get paid) of this county and state and I do deserve to have questions answered. Ross and Patriot are both very good men that have been given a lot of hell for starting this thread, but I appreciate the fact that they did start it and bring it to light to a whole lot of uninformed people, myself included. I realize that others did not want any of this brought to light (therefore give anyone with a good point on the subject hell) but it is out and these people should just man up and start answering questions instead of having obscure meetings in the country when it's so hot outside...stay in your air conditioned house and chat it up with us here on the forum instead...Just a thought :o ----Jennifer
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
It worked! Mr.Ross, I was hoping you would say something nice and you did. ;) :-*
I've been all over your area many times during my entire life and know how nice it is. I'm not the one belittling the good people out there, but posts from a few of you over and over and over become annoying and will put people on the defensive.
I believe Elk Konnected, LLC has been on the defensive since it's inception, it's my opinion when they hired a private company and used it's facilitator to totally control the citizens of Elk County that was a defensive move. Even denying any citizen from asking questions that Elk Konnected did not approve of. Even going to the extent of calling the Sheriff for simply asking to talk during a supposed community conversation. So, no I have not put them on the defensive, that happened way before this thread. You are not here to see and know what is going on.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
You few do have some political gunslingers on your side. There are also some out there who see you few as a total embarrassment to the area because of how you talk to people.
I think you have the wrong perception of civic minded taxpaying citizens of Elk County, they are not political gunslingers. Oh, they are not on my side, they are concerned citizens, each with their own perception and thoughts on this matter. The few that find me an embarrassment should perhaps look in the mirror, they are the supporters of Elk Konnected, LLC who are not even members. Remember Elk Konnected, LLC says they have no membership. But by the way perhaps you could give your meaning of who that "some" is that you refer to just in case I am wrong.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Get your personal EK followers, that you say agree with you, and file charges for an investigation. Be prepared to pay for legal counsel and pay if you lose. If there is something afoot, you'll find it. Every time I look on here, Every time I look on here, it's to see if something new has happened or something has broken free. But it's always the same.
I do not have or want any personal EK followers, that statement by you is totally out of whack. I want open dialog, and truthful dialog with a so called organization that is a private company called Elk Konnected, LLC. But as you have been told many times you don't have to return here. If it bothers you so much that Elk Konnected, LLC won't respond or that I keep asking the same questions, simply discontinue this thread. I will miss you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
You will not get any more answers than you already have and you expect what you want to be served up to you.....not happening. You won't take any legal steps, so that's that.
So that's that in your opinion which is fine. But not in my opinion. So we disagree on that one for sure don't we?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
I know, and have as family, many other people in Kansas, OK,Texas and other Southern states that I've known all my life. They are proper polite people, conservatives, and would never, stoop to talk as mean,common and rude as some of you do to others here on this forum, particularly people you've never even met. (Even telling someone they are whiny should be beneath you it is so critical, rude and uncouth.) The family would be very ashamed. Good people know how to debate opposite sides of an issue, but never make it personal.
I do believe you are referring to the Elk Konnected, LLC followers not me. I have tried very hard to be decent, but I am human and susceptible to error. I spoke up on behalf of one of the followers after she made a disparaging remark about obese people. And I truthfully believe she did not mean for what she said to be taken the way it was taken.
But on the other hand here are a couple of rather mild displays of a couple of followers:
Quote from: Catwoman on August 30, 2011, 06:40:32 PM
OK, Flint...Fork it over...Not even a full 48 hours...I said by 8 P.M., I believe?
Quote from: Ross on August 30, 2011, 07:36:02 PM
You called me a moron on the thread about teachers will I refused to stoop to your level then.
Guess what?
I still refuse to stoop to your level.
:) ;) :D ;D :o ::) :P :-* :-\ :'( :police:
I believe it was a follower that referred to the people of Elk County that wanted to start a business as stupid about starting a business and Elk Konnected, LLC was there to help those stupid people. Yet, Elk Konnected, LLC could not operate there own precious Elk Konnected Wellness center. Just so you understand whom you are apparently referring to.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
I do know how nice and friendly the people out there can be. So squabble among yourselves you want. You don't want to be friends? It's fun to try to insult this Yankee moderate Independent? Oh,well. No "victim" here.
You are talking to me, Ross and I have never referred to you as a victim. And I'd prefer to avoid squabbling.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Ya make it sound like everybody has to be labeled predator or prey. Gone and no replies this time... and it's moot not mute...you just wish I was mute!
Yep, I'm human you proved it. I screwed up and used the wrong moot. You are the only one using the terms " predator or prey" which leads to a misconception.
As I see it there are followers and there are civic minded people on this thread. But you may call us anything you want, that is your right.
Teresa I am at a loss for words. I enjoyed your post considerably.
I have tried to say, that this is not about me to no avail.
And I believe you have done an excellent job of explaining that for me and I appreciate that.
I am a nobody, except for being a retired taxpayer and proud citizen of Elk County.
And thank you for the kind words about my posts.
Teresa, if you really didn't mean me then good, I'm glad to hear it but please don't patronize me. I had asked a question about a post and you posted right after me. It was my first post on this particular thread in many, many weeks, and only then because I had a question. How could you not have seen it? ??? Why wouldn't the person who saw the next post that followed their own NOT assume it was they who was getting swatted? People do that to each other on here a lot!
You sure didn't say it was a general statement and I'm not the only one who thought you meant me.
Of course here we we go again with the old saw that I think everything is about me. I hadn't posted on this thread in WEEKS. Yes, I did delete it, but you must have seen it, as I didn't delete it until you had posted after me? Why would you do that?
Diane,
You would be best to stop.
To assume only makes an ass/u/me.
This thread concerns local civics.
No fear, I'm done, in more ways than one.
I just don't understand how an organization can operate without a :
1. President or leader to give guidance , direction and order toa meeting??? Can someone explain, Please???
2. Secretary to take notes and write letters and organizational rules, etc??? How does that work???
3. Treasurer to keep books and provide accountability for how taxpayers money is used??? I just don't understand???
Is it because the organization does not want to be held accountable to the taxpayers for the use of the taxpayers money??
Why is it that no one wants to accept responsiblity for the organization???
No Board of Directors, No President, No Chairman, No Treasurer, No Secretary, No Membership and a Very Few Followers.
I have only found
seven followers and they are called the Steering Committee! What does the Steering Committee Steer? And who steers the steering committee on whatever they steer???
It just plain doesn't make a bit of sense to me. I need help understanding all this and I plead with Elk Konnected to come forward with some open dialog, discussion and answers.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
I'm seeing what you're saying and it's easy to understand.
Don't know why anyone would want to support or mix with an organization that has a track record like theirs.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2011, 08:58:23 PM
Teresa, if you really didn't mean me then good, I'm glad to hear it but please don't patronize me. I had asked a question about a post and you posted right after me. It was my first post on this particular thread in many, many weeks, and only then because I had a question. How could you not have seen it? ??? Why wouldn't the person who saw the next post that followed their own NOT assume it was they who was getting swatted? People do that to each other on here a lot!
You sure didn't say it was a general statement and I'm not the only one who thought you meant me.
Of course here we we go again with the old saw that I think everything is about me. I hadn't posted on this thread in WEEKS. Yes, I did delete it, but you must have seen it, as I didn't delete it until you had posted after me? Why would you do that?
sighhhhhhhh~~~Holy patollie~~~ ::)
Ok... for the last time... I will say this..
Diane.. Regardless of what you think I should have seen or read..I will tell you this.
Just because I am the owner of this site doesn't mean I sit on it 24 hrs a day. Each morning.. very early generally, I ck stats I move threads.. I make software corrections.. and do some general upkeep and maintenance. I 'scan" posts and then I am out of here.
I then go to our other website ( which makes this one look like a county fair) and "help" Marshal do the same with it. I am then out of there also.
I am then again on the Howard site in the evening.. sometimes before 7 and sometimes later on.
I have a ton of outside work to do for my yard..and for Marks yard and for our lake property. I have grand kids that I help with.. I do the bookwork for Derek's Gun business and the Hardware store and all of Down Range.. I cook.. I clean.. I do laundry. I make at least 2 trips to Wichita a week.. I shoot Sporting Clays once a week and I travel with Marshal when he needs me.
I DO miss posts. I'm sorry that I don't just hang on every word you say, but I tend to have a life outside of The Elk County Forum.
I wouldn't even have gotten on the forum when I did if I had not have received 2 texts on my phone and 3 phone calls telling me I should go in and check out what was being said. I was cooking supper at the time and had Ashley here spending the night. So by the time I got in here .. scanned over the posts that were STILL IN HERE.. I went back in.. finished cooking supper.. ate supper and decided my give a damn was pretty much busted.. and decided I better reply.
NOW~~~~ If I had seen your post.. it wouldn't have mattered to me.. you see... once again.. it isn't always about you! I'm not trying to be rude or hateful or any of those things.. but Diane.. I don't give a rats patootie what you write or what you think.. I skim over your posts.. I seldom even read them.. Cause I don't really care what you have to say on any subject.
This forum doesn't revolve around you. So if you wanted me to see your post.. and you thought it was nasty enough to warrant a knee jerk reaction from the readers and myself .. you should have left it up there.
I did not see it. It was gone by the time I obviously got through the 3 pages I hadn't read up to yours, before you deleted it. You obviously deleted it while I was still reading the unread posts before it~~ and then I posted. Believe me.. I am not the type of person to lie. ..and especially about something as trivial as this.
NOW are you satisfied with that answer? If not I'm sorry~~ That's your problem, and I'm not going to spend any more time kicking sand back and forth with you when I don't even care.
Now~~~as always.. I have about 6 hrs of outside work to do before I have to pick up Ash from school.. then I have supper to cook and picture files to work on. Dove season opened up today and if I get the watering done at the lake .. I would like to go see if the doves are flying in on a place we want to hunt this weekend.. so I will not be on the computer for the rest of the day..
IF .. there is a reason for me to be... you all know how to reach me.. my phone is strapped on to me tighter than my underwear so call if you need anything. :)
Understanding the Limited Liability Company (LLC) and Elk Konnected, LLC
I realize most folks lack a good understanding of business sturctures (corporations, LLCs, partnerships, etc.) so perhaps this information will help us understand the business form being used by Elk Konnected. The idea that EK is on some kind of 'auto-pilot' is not quite accurate.... someone (an individual or group as admitted members) is legally responsible for the management of an LLC, share in any profits/losses, and enjoy personal liability protection from acts of the LLC. The idea that the questions being asked are unimportant is a red herring. EK has taken your tax dollars and commingled itself with your local government from town cops to county commissioners. Here are some excerpts from a good article on the subject of LLCs, followed by a question....
Limited Liability Companies
With LLCs, the holy grail of business entities is closer at hand, if not in our grasp. Under the typical LLC statute, the members (analogous to shareholders in corporations and partners in partnerships) are all shielded from the company's debts unless they affirmatively undertake responsibility for such debt, such as by a guarantee to a lender....
LLC Certificate and Operating Agreement
The limited liability company, a creature of state law, is one created by the filing of a document similar to articles of incorporation with a state authority. However, the company is not governed by by-laws; instead is governed by an Operating Agreement (in Delaware, known as the LLC Agreement). The Operating Agreement is closer in form to a partnership agreement (or, to use a corporate analogue, by-laws plus a shareholders' agreement). The Operating Agreement sets the rules for governing the company (such as the rules for meetings, if any) as well as the rights and responsibilities of the members vis-a-vis the company and vis-a-vis each other. Thus, it states the members' understanding of who is responsible for contributions to capital and how much, who is to receive distributions and how much, who is to be allocated the various tax attributes of the company such as profits, losses, gains and credits, and under what circumstance the company will dissolve, among others. The Operating Agreement is not filed with any state agency.
Evidence of LLC Interests
The ownership interests in LLCs may be reflected in share certificates in many jurisdictions, but need not be. In fact it is not unusual for LLC interests to be stated as a percentage of the company's capital as in a partnership.
Management of the LLC
It is up to the members to define in the Operating Agreement how the LLC will be managed. In some cases, the members might vest virtually all control of the LLC in one or a few managers (analogous to the officers and directors of a corporation or the managing general partner in a limited partnership). In other cases, the members might want a more active hand in company policy and day to day management, in which case the Agreement will provide for an appropriate quantum of votes in a variety of circumstances.
Annual and Special Meetings
Depending on the management structure of the company, the Operating Agreement might require regular meetings, as does typical corporate by-laws, or the members might forego meetings altogether.
Complete article: http://www.lectlaw.com/files/buo01.htm (http://www.lectlaw.com/files/buo01.htm)
So the question remains: Who are the legally responsible admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC? If they hadn't taken tax money and weren't so enmeshed with our local governments, it wouldn't matter.... but they have and they are.
Quote from Teresa:
I have a ton of outside work to do for my yard..and for Marks yard and for our lake property. I have grand kids that I help with.. I do the bookwork for Derek's Gun business and the Hardware store and all of Down Range.. I cook.. I clean.. I do laundry. I make at least 2 trips to Wichita a week.. I shoot Sporting Clays once a week and I travel with Marshal when he needs me.
So with all that free time you must have available could I interest you in mowing a couple yards for me ? BANG !!!!!! Holy crap Blondie---I just asked a simple question. You seem so testy these days !! :D
From Teresa...my phone is strapped on to me tighter than my underwear so call if you need anything.
I can tell you that is so true! :o :o :o :o :angel:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 01, 2011, 04:51:51 PM
From Teresa...my phone is strapped on to me tighter than my underwear so call if you need anything.
I can tell you that is so true! :o :o :o :o :angel:
Now Janet, I had this underwear fetish discussion with your mom some time back. Then Teresa. Now you? Please don't tell me it's something in the water supplies. LOL
Or is it cell phones that interest you? I'm gettin confuzzzzed. :o
Patriot, Maybe the "vibrate" should be turned off and turn the ringer on !! :D
At least she wears them (underwear)! :P ;D
Patriot: Actually back to your question:
We first need to determine that they even took money from the taxpayers.
It really needs to have a money/request trail. Requests and funneling through different areas can be highly convoluted at best.
ready
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 04:57:41 PM
Now Janet, I had this underwear fetish discussion with your mom some time back. Then Teresa. Now you? Please don't tell me it's something in the water supplies. LOL
Or is it cell phones that interest you? I'm gettin confuzzzzed. :o
Patriot, that wasn't an underwear fethish thing. Just fact, Patriot, Just fact. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 01, 2011, 07:33:29 PM
Patriot, that wasn't an underwear fethish thing. Just fact, Patriot, Just fact. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I believes ya, I really do.
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 01, 2011, 05:55:39 PM
We first need to determine that they even took money from the taxpayers.
It really needs to have a money/request trail. Requests and funneling through different areas can be highly convoluted at best.
That fact has already been determined, ready, and previously posted here. Here are a couple of examples...
1. As a matter of record, EK has solicited and received funds from the county parks & recreation budget funds for a rock climbing wall at Moline and a water slide at the Longton Fair.
2. Commissioner Hendricks, in a response to Ross at an open commission meeting, admitted that EK had solicited and received grant funds (state taxpayer funds) from the KS Dept of Commerce and that EK had utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and Public Square Communities, LLC.
Ross may be able to provide more info.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 08:26:16 PM
Commissioner Hendricks, in a response to Ross at an open commission meeting, admitted that EK had solicited and received grant funds (state taxpayer funds) from the KS Dept of Commerce and that EK had utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and Public Squar Communities, LLC.
Ross may be able to provide more info.
"...EK had solicited and received grant funds (state taxpayer funds) from the KS Dept of Commerce and that EK had utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and Public Squar Communities, LLC."
That is untrue, can you provide proof that Elk Konnected recieved grant funds from the KS DOC and that Elk Konnected utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and PSC, LLC?
David
Elk Konnected as a LLC, a private entity has no duty to report to you or answer your questions even though they are a vendor for a government agency. Until you solicit these questions to your local government and force them to provide you this information you will just be increasing the page count and helping Catwoman pay for candy and first day supplies for the kiddies. I think you all have good questions you just need to direct then to the County Commissioners that have a legal duty to answer your questions.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 08:47:22 PM
"...EK had solicited and received grant funds (state taxpayer funds) from the KS Dept of Commerce and that EK had utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and Public Squar Communities, LLC."
That is untrue, can you provide proof that Elk Konnected recieved grant funds from the KS DOC and that Elk Konnected utilized those monies to pay for the services of Mr Woodbury and PSC, LLC?
David
Untrue? Were you present at the meeting in question? I was.
As to proof... When Commissioner Hendricks made her statements regarding EK receipt & disbursements of the Commerce grant funds, I was a witness. Ross was a witness. Two other commissioners were witnesses. The county clerk was a witness. As were a room full of others whom I won't yet name in this venue.
Regarding proof that Commerce made the grant, contact them if you are in doubt.
I presume you are in a position to prove your claim that my statement was untrue.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 09:02:48 PM
Untrue? Were you present at the meeting in question? I was.
As to proof... When Commissioner Hendricks made her statements regarding EK receipt & disbursements of the Commerce grant funds, I was a witness. Ross was a witness. Two other commissioners were witnesses. The county clerk was a witness. As were a room full of others whom I won't yet name in this venue.
Regarding proof that Commerce made the grant, contact them if you are in doubt.
I presume you are in a position to prove your claim that my statement was untrue.
I have no idea what the commissioner said as I was not present. I stand by my statement that they did not recieve those funds and ask you to prove that it was a true statement.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:00:47 PM
Elk Konnected as a LLC, a private entity has no duty to report to you or answer your questions even though they are a vendor for a government agency. Until you solicit these questions to your local government and force them to provide you this information you will just be increasing the page count and helping Catwoman pay for candy and first day supplies for the kiddies. I think you all have good questions you just need to direct then to the County Commissioners that have a legal duty to answer your questions.
David
How thickheaded are you, youngster? The lack of obligation to answer on this forum has been addressed AND ACKNOWLEDGED on this thread numerous times. As to forcing the county to release information... I don't need to force them.... believe it or not, sometimes just asking works.
Read my lips: Court of public opinion.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
I have no idea what the commissioner said as I was not present.
If the commissioner's witnessed public admission isn't enough, try contacting KS Commerce. As for your having no idea... I agree.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
I have no idea what the commissioner said as I was not present. I stand by my statement that they did not recieve those funds and ask you to prove that it was a true statement.
How do you know they did not recieve thoose funds? Prove it?
I will not call you a liar but I will say you are misinformed.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:07:05 PM
I have no idea what the commissioner said as I was not present. I stand by my statement that they did not recieve those funds and ask you to prove that it was a true statement.
I guess California people who don't live here think they are experts when it comes to Elk county agenda.. ::) ::)
That and they are having a medication shortage there ..and someone obviously needs to take theirs..
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 09:07:48 PM
How thickheaded are you, youngster? The lack of obligation to answer on this forum has been addressed AND ACKNOWLEDGED on this thread numerous times.
"How thickheaded are you, youngster?" Patriot, is that the best name calling you can do? I know you and Ross say you never do it, but here is the proof. As to forcing the county to release information... I don't need to force them.... believe it or not, sometimes just asking works
Read my lips: Court of public opinion.You still have no answers so it has not worked, and f the court of public opinion.
David
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
She wasn't taking sides she didn't say a thing about Elk Konnected.
What are you smoking out ther in Caliyfornia? Oh that's Arkansas?
You must have forgot to take your meds.
Be a good boy like me, I'm going to take my old man meds and go to bed.
Good night all.
What is Elk konnected?
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
Must be an Arkansas TEA Party thing.
Quote from: Teresa on September 01, 2011, 09:15:14 PM
I guess California people who don't live here think they are experts when it comes to Elk county agenda.. ::) ::)
That and they are having a medication shortage there ..and someone obviously needs to take theirs..
Thanks Teresa for the personal attack. I am glad you are reading my posts. I know a lot about Elk County. As far as you statement on medication you may want to take some yourself. I said in previous posts I would not try to rile people, but if you and others try to rile me at some point I will have to respond. I hope we can go to civil discourse now.
David
I can't tell the difference between sodbuster and crosstimber?????
Are they the same person??
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
"How thickheaded are you, youngster?" Patriot, is that the best name calling you can do? I know you and Ross say you never do it, but here is the proof. As to forcing the county to release information... I don't need to force them.... believe it or not, sometimes just asking works
Read my lips: Court of public opinion.You still have no answers so it has not worked, and f the court of public opinion.
Best name calling, no. Nicest under the circumstances? Probably.
I've never said I don't do it. And to be clear, pinhead, I just did... again.
The local court of public opinion is quite in session... and doing their work very nicely, thank you.
Quote from: Ross on September 01, 2011, 09:34:11 PM
I can't tell the difference between sodbuster and crosstimber?????
Are they the same person??
Ross we are not the same. I am Sodbuster, dnalexander, David Alexander, and crosstimber is someone else who I do not know. Teresa, can tell you that crosstimber's ip is not mine.
David
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
Hey.. I never said I didn't take sides.. I said I rarely voice my opinions on either side.. there is a difference.. as I am sure you know and are VERY familiar with Mr Crosstimber... .. ( you should be very glad that I have the integrity of silence as I do.... and I think you know what I'm talking about.. so lets not get in a pissin' match on here.. ok? After the day I've had.. I'm in no mood. And.. if its any of your business.... I don't like liars..... so if my comment wasn't pointed in your direction.. just take your liberal panties and step back please...
And anytime you or anyone else wants to be the "moderator and owner" of a forum.. I suggest you build one. and get after it.. ! Better yet.. you can pay for and have this one.. Because I can tell you ... I've about had my fill of it and everything that's attached to it... that you don't have a clue about!
So there!
Now that you and I have spouted off.. I really hope you feel better Mr..Uhhh Crosstimber is it? .. I don't feel better at all.. In fact I'm still really cranky and grumpy... but maybe I will be better in the morning.. .. We can only hope! I'm going to bed...
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
Thanks Teresa for the personal attack. I am glad you are reading my posts. I know a lot about Elk County. As far as you statement on medication you may want to take some yourself. I said in previous posts I would not try to rile people, but if you and others try to rile me at some point I will have to respond. I hope we can go to civil discourse now.
David
Don't you even begin to start with me....Your best bet would be to let this lay like a sleeping dog... Its not a threat... just a very very wise suggestion.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 09:35:50 PM
Best name calling, no. Nicest under the circumstances? Probably.
I've never said I don't do it. And to be clear, pinhead, I just did... again.
The local court of public opinion is quite in session... and doing their work very nicely, thank you.
Pinhead. Keep it up Patriot, you can do better than that. Despite what has been said here on the forum the support for Ross\Patriot on this thread is only attributted to what Teresa has recieved. In reality the posts, e-mails, and pm for it, and the local suppot for Elk Konnected is much greater.
Cross, ya don't stand a chance. They don't know how to really debate anything and some, not all, will become extremely rude and personally insulting at the same time. When they can't attack the issue, and have nothing substantial, they personally attack the poster.
They whine while calling ME a whiner, and then e-mail, PM, call and whine to Teresa about every little thing. Talk about needing to grow up and just deal with it! That's very unfair to her. Then she gets whiny herself, which I suspect is from genuine fatigue. I happen to be a favorite target and I have learned to deal with it. Like most bullies they can sling it but sure can't take it. Have fun you all. Perhaps all will feel rested and feel better tomorrow...or not.
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
Aw, hey David who are those forward thinking, civic minded citizens you are speaking of?
Can you clue us in?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2011, 09:50:05 PM
Cross, ya don't stand a chance. They don't know how to really debate anything and some, not all, will become extremely rude and personally insulting at the same time. When you can't attack the issue, and have nothing substantial, they personally attack the poster.
They whine while calling ME a whiner, and then e-mail, PM, call and whine to Teresa about every little thing. Talk about needing to grow up and just deal with it! That's very unfair to her. Then she gets whiny herself, which I suspect is from genuine fatigue. I happen to be a favorite target and I have learned to deal with it. Like most bullies they can sling it but sure can't take it. Have fun you all. Perhaps all will feel rested and feel better tomorrow...or not.
Now Diane as nice as I have been to you and you talk about me that way.
My, my I'm hurt.
We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2011, 09:50:05 PM
Cross, ya don't stand a chance. They don't know how to really debate anything and some, not all, will become extremely rude and personally insulting at the same time. When you can't attack the issue, and have nothing substantial, they personally attack the poster.
They whine while calling ME a whiner, and then e-mail, PM, call and whine to Teresa about every little thing. Talk about needing to grow up and just deal with it! That's very unfair to her. Then she gets whiny herself, which I suspect is from genuine fatigue. I happen to be a favorite target and I have learned to deal with it. Like most bullies they can sling it but sure can't take it. Have fun you all. Perhaps all will feel rested and feel better tomorrow...or not.
God.. you really don't know when to keep your mouth shut do you! You are a card to draw to , I'll give you that! Why don't you grab a stick and poke the bear a little more and see where it gets you.!
I guess when " I've had it & my give a damn busts" it goes right to outer space!
I do believe I will be off here for awhile.. I know too much behind the scenes about too many people... and the 2 and 3 faces that everyone wears is really making me ill............so I'll have Kjell do the updates for awhile .. and I'll go hunting all weekend .. get away from it and take a vacation from it all.
Hopefully whenever I return ... I will have my happy neutral moderator face on that everyone likes me to wear...my easy going humorous attitude will be back and my outbursts will not happen again for a year or so...
Enjoy yourselves.......................... :)
my apologies for asking a simple question that was answered by Patriot.
As my sister once said: "we've got four holes to blow and only one stick of dynamite."
I am going to bed, as this thread has gone "BOOM". the dust will settle tomorrow, and we can still be civil to discuss/debate. OK?
ready for some proof
Quote from: Teresa on September 01, 2011, 09:39:22 PM
Don't you even begin to start with me....Your best bet would be to let this lay like a sleeping dog... Its not a threat... just a very very wise suggestion.
Teresa, I would love to continue posting on the forum. I love that you provide it for us. If I ever go over the line just let me know and I will modify my behavior. No need to threaten me, I like being here and will make it happen.
David
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 01, 2011, 10:05:47 PM
my apologies for asking a simple question that was answered by Patriot.
No problem, ready. I would have never suspected that such a simple, straightforward answer would have elicited such ravenous responses from such distant places....from 300 to 1500 miles away. Oh well. Maybe truth hurts more than we suspected. I just wish such simple answers were forthcoming in the other direction regarding the original questions in this thread.
Oh... have you seen the federal tax returns for the ECCEF?... maybe another day.
Sleep well.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 10:47:07 PM
No problem, ready. I would have never suspected that such a simple, straightforward answer would have elicited such ravenous responses from such distant places....from 300 to 1500 miles away. Oh well. Maybe truth hurts more than we suspected. I just wish such simple answers were forthcoming in the other direction regarding the original questions in this thread.
Oh... have you seen the federal tax returns for the ECCEF?... maybe another day.
Sleep well.
While you have the right to ask any question that you want. You have no right to get answers from a LLC. They have chosen not to talk to you here on the forum. Your only course is to compel your local governement to reveal the payments to these private entities recieved. If I can believe how corrupt you all think your local government is, I would be worried that you all will be silenced by the Italian Windmill Conspiracy.
David
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 10:47:07 PM
No problem, ready. I would have never suspected that such a simple, straightforward answer would have elicited such ravenous responses from such distant places....from 300 to 1500 miles away. Oh well. Maybe truth hurts more than we suspected. I just wish such simple answers were forthcoming in the other direction regarding the original questions in this thread.
Oh... have you seen the federal tax returns for the ECCEF?... maybe another day.
Sleep well.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 10:47:07 PM
No problem, ready. I would have never suspected that such a simple, straightforward answer would have elicited such ravenous responses from such distant places....from 300 to 1500 miles away. Oh well. Maybe truth hurts more than we suspected. I just wish such simple answers were forthcoming in the other direction regarding the original questions in this thread.
Oh... have you seen the federal tax returns for the ECCEF?... maybe another day.
Sleep well.
EK has influence all across the country.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
While you have the right to ask any question that you want. You have no right to get answers from a LLC.
Again..... we know and were the first to point this fact out. Weeks ago. Ironically, this fact is at the core of this entire issue: Secrecy & lack of transparency.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
They have chosen not to talk to you here on the forum.
Possibly so. Don't you find that troubling? Based on street conversations from many sources, many local voters and taxpayers sure seem to. Sometimes silence says volumes.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
Your only course is to compel your local governement to reveal the payments to these private entities recieved.
Never say 'only', it sounds so defeatist.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:00:52 PM
If I can believe how corrupt you all think your local government is, I would be worried that you all will be silenced by the Italian Windmill Conspiracy.
What you choose to believe or disbelieve, to worry or not worry about is, with all due respect, irrelevant as you neither live nor vote here. Interesting, however, as your statement sounds like a veiled threat.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:06:38 PM
EK has influence all across the country.
That, I seriously doubt.
You really should rest. You're beginning to repeat myself. LOL
4/25 to 9/1 . 130+ days and still no answer. LLC has no legal reason to respond. Why are you afraid to compel your local government to answer the questions. I don't think you all are serious about finding the answers, you are just bad mouthing an entity that is trying to improve the county. Something none of you are doing.
David
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 11:21:35 PM
You really should rest. You're beginning to repeat myself. LOL
That is true Patriot you are beginning to repeat myself. LOL. You should really rest. Do not doubt the power of Elk Konnected. Their will to do good for Elk County will trump your outsider ways of doing things. You all will not beat the old guard of Elk County who are established since the early 1900's. You are the outsider, not me.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 02, 2011, 12:10:57 AM
4/25 to 9/1 . 130+ days and still no answer. LLC has no legal reason to respond. Why are you afraid to compel your local government to answer the questions. I don't think you all are serious about finding the answers, you are just bad mouthing an entity that is trying to improve the county. Something none of you are doing.
1. Correct.
2. Acknowledged.
3. Fear? Did anyone say that government has not provided any information?
4. Your opinion (guess, supposition, assumption) & you're entitled to it.
5. Badmouthing or asking valid questions? Both have been suggested by others. Also a matter of individual opinion.
6. Entity that is trying to improve the county? According to their own press, perhaps. Baseless assumption on your part, probably.
7. None of us are improving the county? Another baseless assumption. You don't even know who all of 'us' are, let alone what we do or have done.
Play again soon.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 02, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
Do not doubt the power of Elk Konnected. Their will to do good for Elk County will trump your outsider ways of doing things. You all will not beat the old guard of Elk County who are established since the early 1900's. You are the outsider, not me.
David
Dear David,
When all attempts at 'reason' seem to have failed, you now resort to thinly veiled threats and intimidation. I sincerely hope you aren't speaking authoritatively for Elk Konnected, LLC, or anyone affiliated with them in any way. I guess a deposition in Kansas might clarify that. You see, LLC liability protections are limited... primarily to financial debts. And even so, I doubt you would personally enjoy any such protections from the veil of Elk Konnected, LLC. Planning to visit soon? If so.... voluntarily or otherwise?
Friendly piece of advice... check yourself in re your last quoted post.
Quote from: Patriot on September 02, 2011, 01:33:37 AM
Dear David,
Friendly piece of advice... check yourself in re your last quoted post.
May I also suggest that you stop and check yourself before you start challenging and calling people liars and insinuating that you know more than the people who were involved and were present. Whether it be in a meeting, or around a table at a dinner, or in someones living area, you subject yourself to some heavy repercussions when you take it upon yourself to assume that you know what you were not there to witness.
Now my wife, who takes care of this small forum and site for me, does not and has not ever censored. It is not my nature to do so either. Since she has admitted to me that she has lost her ability to separate her mouth and her common sense ( her words not mine) she ask me to take over her job in here for awhile. So, because of this request, I will run things my way. I have cleaned up and scrubbed up some small areas in this section, as this seems to be the area that sets the firing pin to the primer. When accusations becomes the main reason for a thread to stay alive, I feel it is of no benefit to the community. I also feel the same way about the posters who continue to make everything personal. At this time, there has been no cleaning up of that area.
This is my take on it, and hopefully I will not have to do anymore cleaning on posts nor on members.
Thank you, Kjell.
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Gee, for a owner/moderator of this Forum that states she does not take sides, it sure is blatently obvious whose side she is on.
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
About as Fair and Balanced as Faux News.
Just because she owns the site doesn't mean she is as dumb as a rock and gullible as some that follow EK facilitators are.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 09:21:22 PM
"How thickheaded are you, youngster?" Patriot, is that the best name calling you can do? I know you and Ross say you never do it, but here is the proof. As to forcing the county to release information... I don't need to force them.... believe it or not, sometimes just asking works
Read my lips: Court of public opinion.You still have no answers so it has not worked, and f the court of public opinion.
David
Judas David your really not very bright are you! Sheesh. When these folks were AT THE MEETING and HEARD THAT INFORMATION FIRST HAND, and YOUR ass sits over in lala land, you can in no way know what was said at the meeting. And here you are calling Patriot and Ross liars? I'll tell ya if ya slandered me like that personally, i would knock your ass out and leave ya laying in the street!
Quote from: Ross on September 01, 2011, 10:00:18 PM
Aw, hey David who are those forward thinking, civic minded citizens you are speaking of?
Can you clue us in?
Uhmm you mean a bunch of damn
liberals errr
communists errr progressives.....
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:06:38 PM
EK has influence all across the country.
Can you clarify that statement?
What does that mean?
It sounds like a real stupid statement from someone who knows nothing at all about the subject
especially when it is made in connection to a statement you also know nothing about.
You know what the say, "Ignorance is Bliss!"
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
Quote from: Ross on September 02, 2011, 09:45:38 AM
Can you clarify that statement?
What does that mean?
It sounds like a real stupid statement from someone who knows nothing at all about the subject
especially when it is made in connection to a statement you also know nothing about.
You know what the say, "Ignorance is Bliss!"
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
Its a threat Ross.
Quote from: crosstimber on September 01, 2011, 09:20:20 PM
Funny how it's OK for certain people to question everything a group of forward thinking, civic minded citizens do, insinuating wrong doing at every turn yet proving nothing, while those who question the questioners get beat down by the moderator.
After pondering the above quote for several hours, it occurs to me that many groups view themselves as 'civic minded' or 'forward thinking'. Even those in and supporters of the extremes like Code Pink or the Westborough Baptist Church bunch would describe themselves as being forward thinkers and having only the best intentions. Alas, even the rich & powerful like Jimmy Carter, George Soros, Mayor Bloomberg of NYC and even our current administration & their proponents say their intentions are worthwhile & honorable.
I think, however, it's not self-descriptions or internal perceptions that really matter. It's the actual results and methods that really define the quality of a group or a plan. Measurable outcomes, results & methods are what are questioned here, not intentions or self-descriptions or even apparent support. We've been reminded throughout time that 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions.' But it's the path taken, methods used, and end results that really matter.
So we ask: With all the conversations, tax dollars, grant money, wellness center, youth day camps & government involvement... How much measurable improvement & lasting positive change in Elk County in terms of our quality of life and community relationships has there been as a result of the stated intentions and activities of Elk Konnected?
Mr Ross, I hadn't planned on posting again on this thread, but you opened the door, so here I am. If you go back and read what you quoted from me, reply#2670, I said some, not all..You were the "not all".
Some don't even try to be civil to me and it's always very personal. For some reason it is now fashionable to use me as one of several whipping people on the political threads.
Apparently one person's comment or complaint is another person's whine, depending on who is part of the "IN" crowd. Perhaps they are the ones who should toughen up and learn to take it for a change. Big people underwear and all that. IMHO.
By the way, what you have scrolling across the bottom of that post is exactly what my question was about. I had a question about details on that and I thought I had made some error and made Teresa mad, so I deleted it. Apparently that just made it worse and set things off. Calling me whiny is a very easy cheap shot
My question was was NOT about local politics, as that scroll is national. I cared then, ask if I care now. Phooey.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 02, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
That is true Patriot you are beginning to repeat myself. LOL. You should really rest. Do not doubt the power of Elk Konnected. Their will to do good for Elk County will trump your outsider ways of doing things. You all will not beat the old guard of Elk County who are established since the early 1900's. You are the outsider, not me.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 02, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
Do not doubt the power of Elk Konnected.
What does that mean David?? That's funny.
What power does Elk Konnected, LLC have???
Power to do what???
It appears to me they are to weak to come out of hiding and live up to their word to communicate with the citizens of Elk County, why do you suppose that is???
In 2007 they had a nine person steering committee and today they have a seven person steering committee.
In late 2009 they had a Wellness Center today they don't.
How can seven people in an organization with no owner, no leader and no registered membership!
It appears to me that they are dwindling away, where is the power David?
Quote from: sodbuster on September 02, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
You all will not beat the old guard of Elk County who are established since the early 1900's. You are the outsider, not me.
Wait a minute, do my eyes deceive me?
Did I read the "Old Guard" in your statement??
Yes, I did. Wow!!!
What exactly is the old guard besides old???
Is the "Old Guard" running Elk Konnected, LLC , is that what you are saying??
Speak clearly, please.
How much more of an outsider can you be, how far outside of Elk County do you live, David???
Or are you talking some other kind of outsider? Perhaps you are taking outsider as not belonging to a certain clique? Just the same please explain your definition of Outsider?
You see this is a much different world today than in the early 1900's, the world has changed, not just Elk County. People have changed as well.
You can't back up what you say can you David?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Quote from: srkruzich on September 02, 2011, 09:46:19 AM
Its a threat Ross.
A threat, I don't believe in threats. It's a bullys way of trying to instill fear and nothing more.
It does not work with me.
Remember Steve the back handed death threats, or at least that's what I considered them.
You know like running this thread and posting on it isn't good for my health.
Didn't bother me --- all hot air. They are too timid.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 02, 2011, 11:13:01 AM
For some reason it is now fashionable to use me as one of several whipping people on the political threads. Apparently one person's comment or complaint is another person's whine, depending on who is part of the "IN" crowd.
Diane, that's because the people in question never matured beyond being a 7th grader..."Let's all gang up on the unpopular one, even if she happens to be right". What is funny here is that the "in" crowd in this case is nothing more than a bunch of big mouthed bass in a very small pond. Don't even give them a second thought...They are not central to your existence (THANK GOD). Now...Hope your three day weekend is an enjoyable one!!! ;D
Good grief.......Diane and Catwoman ~~~~~~~~ You two are a pair to draw to !!!
Laughable !
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 02, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Good grief.......Diane and Catwoman ~~~~~~~~ You two are a pair to draw to !!!
Laughable !
Right on Jo. I was laughing so hard it felt good.
Hey, I've been trying so hard not to be rude to anyone (even though some of you have really tried to bait me into it), especially to someone I respect, or would if I'd be allowed to. Don't push your luck. The Golden Rule don't ya know? I'm not a naturally mean person but I'm no doormat either.
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 02, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Good grief.......Diane and Catwoman ~~~~~~~~ You two are a pair to draw to !!!
Laughable !
Thank you, Jo...It's good to know that I don't have to revise my opinions... ;D...You've always been a snarky one...You've just finally gotten around to aiming it at me. NO surprise there...And before you go whining about how cruel it is that I've talked like that to you...Physician, heal thyself.
YOU,of all people saying someone else is snarky ?? How funny.
My God...There are a real bunch of bullies anymore on this Forum. Essentially, the Politics board has ceased to be a public Forum and has now become a private club. I only entered this fray because I don't believe in staying silent when bullying is present...Silence implies permission...And I refuse to give permission to all of you who bludgeon others with your words in order to maintain dominance. Diane, on behalf of those who are incapable of doing so, I apologize for the way you've been treated. You are an educated, intelligent person who has the right...Just as much as these other yahoos...To voice an opinion. The fact that you have had the stamina to not be completely run off is amazing to me.
And Jar...If you actually knew me...Had spent any time AT ALL in my presence...You would know that what I have been posting, in the last year, isn't typical of me. It has taken quite a bit of changing on my part in order to keep this crap up...I am a quiet, independent individual who only, in the past, has posted a few compliments and a variety of poems. It was only when a small handful of unpleasant individuals began dominating and bullying that I decided to end my silence. As far as I'm concerned, it's a losing battle...Ignorance...And being PROUD of that ignorance...Is more of a battle than any one person can fight. Diane has hung in there, trying to bring a rational opposing viewpoint to some subjects...And has suffered some pretty vicious verbal attacks for her efforts.
If I HAVE been snarky...It's because I am just flat sick and tired of the bullying.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 02, 2011, 05:16:06 PM
My God...There are a real bunch of bullies anymore on this Forum. Essentially, the Politics board has ceased to be a public Forum and has now become a private club. I only entered this fray because I don't believe in staying silent when bullying is present...Silence implies permission...And I refuse to give permission to all of you who bludgeon others with your words in order to maintain dominance. Diane, on behalf of those who are incapable of doing so, I apologize for the way you've been treated. You are an educated, intelligent person who has the right...Just as much as these other yahoos...To voice an opinion. The fact that you have had the stamina to not be completely run off is amazing to me.
And Jar...If you actually knew me...Had spent any time AT ALL in my presence...You would know that what I have been posting, in the last year, isn't typical of me. It has taken quite a bit of changing on my part in order to keep this crap up...I am a quiet, independent individual who only, in the past, has posted a few compliments and a variety of poems. It was only when a small handful of unpleasant individuals began dominating and bullying that I decided to end my silence. As far as I'm concerned, it's a losing battle...Ignorance...And being PROUD of that ignorance...Is more of a battle than any one person can fight. Diane has hung in there, trying to bring a rational opposing viewpoint to some subjects...And has suffered some pretty vicious verbal attacks for her efforts.
If I HAVE been snarky...It's because I am just flat sick and tired of the bullying.
This has been one of the longest lines of BS on this thread.
Oh , but I have been in your presence catwoman, although thankfully it was several years ago :D
It amazes me that we have 17 different topics offered to us, and of course the Politics Section will be heated.
Don't like the Politics Section? Go back to the Poetry Field of Poppies and leave the citizens that question the leaders of this city, county and country alone.
Most people who like Politics generally are solid in their beliefs unless someone else can prove otherwise, or it is an agree to disagree agreement.
I wanted to learn, and have done such. The bantering is just what it is...read over it, into it and around it then appreciated any truth that may or may not come about. It's called discussion.
This is the Elk County Thread and a non-discussion of members of EKonnected has now caused the wondering people to argue.
Jeesh!
ready
Quote from: jarhead on September 02, 2011, 05:30:18 PM
Oh , but I have been in your presence catwoman, although thankfully it was several years ago :D
Poor Jarhead.
Ready...I have no problem, whatsoever with discussion, heated or otherwise. I DO have problem with those who bully. Period.
And Jar...If you ever were in my presence in the past, then you knew me as a person who stayed out of anything resembling what has occurred on this Forum. If you claim otherwise...Then you were never acquainted with me.
Quote from: Ross on September 02, 2011, 05:21:59 PM
This has been one of the longest lines of BS on this thread.
Well, being a prime contender in the BS category, you'd certainly recognize it, wouldn't you?
Quote from Ross:
Poor Jarhead.
You got that right Ross. I'm a mind to tell you all to go to hell, and quit posting and all that other mumbo jumbo and then sit back and wait for someone to beg me to come back with my wisdom and knowledge---------------BUT---ol Sarge aint posted for a spell and I'm afraid his computer crashed or something and he won't be able to" beg "me back. Patriot might, but as you know Ross---you can't trust them Fly-Boys to be there when you really need them. ;D
We would beg you to come back Jarhead...We love you and all of your wisdom, you silly windy ol' fart!! ;)
jarhead is the poster oldfart????? wow
lol
No, Jarhead isn't Oldfart. Jarhead is just a windy ole feller...hence me calling him a windy ole fart...sorry for the confusion..lol ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on September 02, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
Well, being a prime contender in the BS category, you'd certainly recognize it, wouldn't you?
Sure I was in the military for ten years and woorked as a federal employee for another ten.
The federal government is the worst for BS.
I heard more BS in those 20 years then you will hear in your life time.
Sure, I recognize it when I hear it or read it.
But my questions are not BS, they are very real questions.
Do you have any real answers or just more
BS?We've become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: jarhead on September 02, 2011, 07:04:27 PM
Quote from Ross:
Poor Jarhead.
You got that right Ross. I'm a mind to tell you all to go to hell, and quit posting and all that other mumbo jumbo and then sit back and wait for someone to beg me to come back with my wisdom and knowledge---------------BUT---ol Sarge aint posted for a spell and I'm afraid his computer crashed or something and he won't be able to" beg "me back. Patriot might, but as you know Ross---you can't trust them Fly-Boys to be there when you really need them. ;D
Yea, where is that flyboy with all his wit and wisdom? He could be having fun right now, don't ya think?
I bet he is busy studying and increasing his intellect.
I wish Elk Konnected, LLC would come out and stick up for their poor followers, they need a lot of help. They just don't know what theyare cheering about.
I'm still trying to understand how an organization can operate without something like on a few of the following:
Owner Leader President Chairman Board of Directors Members
I find an organization with out any membership to be simply amazing, don't you?
Also, I find it amazing that they still have it posted on the internet knocking one of our very own communities, "With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service." I wonder how that helps Elk County's image? http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
On that same page they claim to have investors instead of donors? One time it's donors and another time it's investors, they really confuse things for me. If they are investors, don't investors usually make a profit on their money??
What I find further confusing is Elk Konnected uses very few names, read that page again. The only name in the whole article is, is a man from the far west side of Kansas, some guy named Terry Woodbury. Not even from Elk County.
But then in the article Elk konnected says, "Without going into a lot of history of Elk County, finding engaged citizens who were not the "same old guard" from all of the communities was a challenge." D oes that imply something was and is wrong with Elk County. Why escape from the reaponsibility of explaining it's self by saying, "Without going into a lot of history of Elk County." To me that is just being irresponsible. Who is the old guard? Who is the new guard? What does that mean? Don't we have a county government? Or is Elk Konnected, LLC implying that our county government can't be trusted because of the old guard? If so, how does having a nre guard correct that?
I'll ask again, and again who is Elk Konnected? Who is Elk Konnected to put our county down like that for the whole world to see?
It is our county isn't it, all the taxpayers and voters and citizens that live within it's borders isn't it? The county doesn't belong to a private company called Elk Konnected, LLC that poses as an organization, does it?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
So refreshing to see the dialogue was advanced tonight. Not.
Another question...
How much 'community development' did Elk Konnected accomplish in 2007, 2008, and 2009.... with about $80,000 or more at their disposal during that time frame? Shouldn't there be a brass plaque somewhere? Just curious.
Speaking of questions....
Remember the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF)? They do some great things in Elk County. They helped with the courthouse clock in Howard, the new park in Howard, some scholarships, the libraries in Moline & Grenola, Christmas for needy families, and more. Some super projects. ECCEF provided $30160 to projects like these in 2007/2008/2009.
Were you aware that the ECCEF also made grants to Elk Konnected in 2007/2008/2009? Of the grants issued by ECCEF, how much did Elk Konnected receive?
2007 41% of total $ 3150
2008 42% of total $ 10982
2009 74% of total $ 31573
Total grants to EK $ 45705
The private company, Elk Konnected was given the largest single amounts in all three years.
Source: IRS Forms 990-EZ tax returns
Speaking of grants and the ECCEF. Remember the recently closed Wellness Center in Howard provided by Elk Konnected. The Kansas Health Foundation played a part... through the ECCEF.
Elk County Wellness Center
Grant Amount: $19,900.00
Grant Cycle: Fall 2009
Approved Date: Friday, October 30, 2009
Grant Purpose: will support a wellness center for residents of Elk and Greenwood counties by funding the purchase of exercise equipment. The center also plans to provide information about healthy eating and a variety of fitness classes for all ages.
Grantee: Elk County Community and Education Foundation
Grant Type: Recognition Grant
Source: http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/elk_county_wellness_center
(http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/elk_county_wellness_center)
Why does Elk Konnected solicit 'youth activity' funds from Elk County and the various towns?
Why does Elk County budget for and maintain a $10,000 'Youth Activity Fund' account each year from taxpayer funds?
Remember the summer day camps? Over $13,500+ per year in 2009 & 2011, funded by grants requested by and made to Elk County on behalf of Elk Konnected by the Kansas Health Foundation.
Did you know that Elk County is either running short or is out of money for rock that is used on rural roads for this year?
I'm not positive, but I think that the county is over budget (short funds) for required payments to the Kansas Unemployment Security Fund? Unemployment contributions... really?
Quote from: Patriot on September 02, 2011, 10:34:08 PM
So refreshing to see the dialogue was advanced tonight. Not.
Another question...
How much 'community development' did Elk Konnected accomplish in 2007, 2008, and 2009.... with about $80,000 or more at their disposal during that time frame? Shouldn't there be a brass plaque somewhere? Just curious.
Woow! I would have thought 80 Grand could buy a lot of lollipops, or at least could have helped a lot of poor people in Elk County? I wonder what they did with all that money while still asking for taxpayers money?
What have they accomplished with all that money? What do they have to show for it?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Patriot on September 02, 2011, 11:26:41 PM
Were you aware that the ECCEF also made grants to Elk Konnected in 2007/2008/2009? Of the grants issued by ECCEF, how much did Elk Konnected receive?
2007 41% of total $ 3150
2008 42% of total $ 10982
2009 74% of total $ 31573
Total grants to EK $ 45705
The private company, Elk Konnected was given the largest single amounts in all three years.
Source: IRS Forms 990-EZ tax returns
Wow, again but am I crazy?
It appears that on the birth of Elk Konnected, that Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF) came into a lot of money to start giving to Elk Konnected. How in the world does that work? Who or what gave birth to these two organizations???
Who is the founder of ECCEF?
Who is the founder of Elk Konnected?
Where is all the community development from all that money??
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Ross... folks keep clamoring for 'facts'. Well, there are a bunch of em. Don't choke on them. Try to make some sense of them.
I'm particularly taken by the aggressive appetite that EK has for 'OPM'...other peoples money. Given articles about EK 'wine tastings' and dinners to raise money that elude to 'hundreds' of dollars raised, it seems the bulk of their funds come from grant handouts and taxpayer funds. I think it's evident they aren't making their money the old fashioned way (conventional fundraising or simply earning it).
The question (or at least one question) is: What measurable outcomes have there been for Elk County citizens? Are we better off than we were in 2007? Just askin.
Quote from: Patriot on September 03, 2011, 09:10:10 AM
Ross... folks keep clamoring for 'facts'. Well, there are a bunch of em. Don't choke on them. Try to make some sense of them.
I'm particularly taken by the aggressive appetite that EK has for 'OPM'...other peoples money. Given articles about EK 'wine tastings' and dinners to raise money that elude to 'hundreds' of dollars raised, it seems the bulk of their funds come from grant handouts and taxpayer funds. I think it's evident they aren't making their money the old fashioned way (conventional fundraising or simply earning it).
The question (or at least one question) is: What measurable outcomes have there been for Elk County citizens? Are we better off than we were in 2007? Just askin.
That sure is a bunch of facts err dollars and yet nothing, nada in developement. Lollipops for the kiddies with county money but nothing substantial. Nothing lasting even.
None of it a makes a bit of sense to me.
Elk Konnected got a ton of money in the form of a grant to open that Howard Elk Konnected, LLC Wellness center and could not even run that business, it's closed August 31, 2011.
Perhaps some of the other readers can help me understand? Or perhaps Elk Konnected might respond with some answers, how about it Elk Konnected?
I saw a poster in Howard in the new restraunt for the Severy Labor Day celebration and I believe it said sponsored by Elk Konnected. Yet, I didn't read it in the newspaper, did I miss reading that Elk Konnected is involved? Or are they taking a low profile? I mean I have read almost weekly something in the paper about Elk Konnected and now nothing.
They sent a flyer home with my 4th grader the other day that says: Giant Water Slide Monday, September 5th after the parade and Free Movie Friday, September 2nd at dark....sponsored by Elk Konnected. But you are right, Ross, because I never saw anything in the paper about it either...--Jennifer
Quote from: Patriot on September 03, 2011, 09:10:10 AM
Ross... folks keep clamoring for 'facts'. Well, there are a bunch of em. Don't choke on them. Try to make some sense of them.
I'm particularly taken by the aggressive appetite that EK has for 'OPM'...other peoples money. Given articles about EK 'wine tastings' and dinners to raise money that elude to 'hundreds' of dollars raised, it seems the bulk of their funds come from grant handouts and taxpayer funds. I think it's evident they aren't making their money the old fashioned way (conventional fundraising or simply earning it).
The question (or at least one question) is: What measurable outcomes have there been for Elk County citizens? Are we better off than we were in 2007? Just askin.
Better off? Can't see any improvement.
And there will be no improvement as long as the county continues to fund and partner with the EK organziation.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 03, 2011, 04:19:52 PM
They sent a flyer home with my 4th grader the other day that says: Giant Water Slide Monday, September 5th after the parade and Free Movie Friday, September 2nd at dark....sponsored by Elk Konnected. But you are right, Ross, because I never saw anything in the paper about it either...--Jennifer
They must have a different newspaper for Severy???
Is Elk Konnected only connecting with part of the Elk Konnected Kommunity at a time???
What's going on???
Makes me wonder what about you???
Quote from: Patriot on September 03, 2011, 09:10:10 AM
Ross... folks keep clamoring for 'facts'. Well, there are a bunch of em. Don't choke on them. Try to make some sense of them.
I'm particularly taken by the aggressive appetite that EK has for 'OPM'...other peoples money. Given articles about EK 'wine tastings' and dinners to raise money that elude to 'hundreds' of dollars raised, it seems the bulk of their funds come from grant handouts and taxpayer funds. I think it's evident they aren't making their money the old fashioned way (conventional fundraising or simply earning it).
The question (or at least one question) is: What measurable outcomes have there been for Elk County citizens? Are we better off than we were in 2007? Just askin.
They started the Elk Konnected Wellness Center. Oh, wait a minute that closed down August 31, 2011 didn't it???
I love this testimonial, I can call it that right?
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
I guess Elk Konnected didn't know about the assistance the government gives either???
Yes it is taken out of context, so what???
What have they done right???
What have they accomplished besides a few lollipops?
Have we become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
They even closed down their only business after less than two years of operation, didn't they???
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Business Information Date: 09/05/2011
Current Entity Name Business Entity ID Number
ELK KONNECTED LLC
6368807
Business Entity Type: KANSAS LTD LIABILITY COMPANY
Date of Formation in Kansas: 09/30/2009
https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5
Elk Konnected since you tell us you have no owners or members or leaders, I really don't expect any answers, but may I ask you a few questions?
Elk Konnected weren't you started as a non-profit in 2007????
Elk Konnected did you switch from being a non-profit to an LLC so Elk County citizens could not question what you do???
Elk Konnected do you still want to communicate with all the citizens of Elk County???
Elk Konnected didn't you get a rather large grant as a non-profit to start your Wellness Center in the City of Howard???
Elk Konnected would you still have qualified for that grant as a private company/LLC???
Since there is no person that takes credit or responsibility for Elk Konnected, LLC. I assume these questions are posed to nobody and will therefore go unanswered. Just my personal opinion. The fantasy continues I suppose.
Patriot,
Or anyone else that might have some answers.
I was just visiting with a friend of mine about Elk Konnected, now he doesn't know anythig about Elk Konnected so I tried to explain what little I know about Elk Konnected.
I told him they claim to be a loosely organized organization and I explained that I don't understand that at all. He asked what that might mean. So I told him they don't have a president or chairman, they don't have a secretary, they don't have a treasurer, they don't have any membership. He then asked who takes care of their finances? I said, I had no idea. He asked how can they be an organization. I said, I don't know. I said, I always thought oranizations were organized and documented everything.
He then suggested it sounds like a
shadow organization for something else. Now, I had to think about that for a few minutes.
Do you suppose there could be something to that?
Since Elk Konnected spoke of the old guard when Elk Konnected first got started, and by the way I still don't understand or know who the old guard is/or was. Do you suppose that it could be this old guard that Elk Konnected referenced that might be running as the shadow organization? Wouldn't that make sense hide in plain sight???
Since, I can't get any answers from Elk Konnected perhaps someone else out there has some answers. Like who manages all that money passing through Elk Konnected. Especially the money from the Elk County taxpayers via the Elk County Commissioners Meetinngs or any state funds they may recieve?
It's like the list on page one of this thread! Very obscure! No names on any of the suggestions, we are told the citizens made these suggestions yet no one gets any recognition. There is no documentation or proof that anyone even made even one of those suggestions. The claim of all the donors of $50 each, again no documentation, no proof, no names which makes ask why?
Why all the secrecy? All that makes me think that perhaps it really is a shadow organization for something else, call me crazy, okay? Paranoid no ---- just want some understanding about the organization that is suppose to be the savior of Elk County.
Let's get connected Elk Konnected, right here. How about it? How about some real answers?
And really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County? How can they qualify as an organization?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Ross on September 05, 2011, 11:36:21 AM
He then suggested it sounds like a shadow organization for something else. Now, I had to think about that for a few minutes.
Do you suppose there could be something to that?
Since Elk Konnected spoke of the old guard when Elk Konnected first got started, and by the way I still don't understand or know who the old guard is/or was. Do you suppose that it could be this old guard that Elk Konnected referenced that might be running as the shadow organization? Wouldn't that make sense hide in plain sight???
If a county employee were instructed, in writing, by a government supervisor to do recurring marketing & advertising work for a privately owned company, would that be acceptable? Not to coordinate with or offer suggestions to the company's representatives, but to do the work personally on government time using government resources?
What if that supervisor were an elected official who was required by law to seek a majority vote of other elected officials before implementing any binding policies, decisions and instructions? What if that single elected official had not done so? What if both the elected official and the employee had clearly identifiable personal relationships with the private company?
Would you approve? Would other businesses approve? Would the taxpayers approve? Would that be a corruption of government integrity? Would that constitute an arrogant abuse of power? What say you, reader?
Just asking.
Quote from: Patriot on September 06, 2011, 09:31:12 AM
Would you approve?... What say you, reader?
Chirp, chirp, chirp. Makes one wonder, "What lurks in the minds of men?". Perhaps the Shadow knows.
I would not approve if it is unlawful abuse of power or an illegal conflict of interest. Those have yet to be proved by any sort of document that I have seen.
I fear no one when it comes to the violation of the law Patriot and I know you don't either. So can anyone produce some kind of document proving either ? Ya can't prosecute on innuendo,dislike of a person or the postings on a blog. Arrogance is not against the law. You know how to build a case,and I haven't seen enough to do it yet. With your background, do you see enough for an affidavit of complaint?, Most I have seen is some valid bitching about special interest preferance toward EK .
Me thinks perhaps all the Elk Konnected followers have perhaps opened their eyes and have seen the light.
No more arguments. Makes me think Elk Konnected must also agree with what they have been reeadingotherwise why no response???
There has been a bunch of good information posted and no responses. Weird???
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
What's that all about Elk Konnected and the Howard Chamber of Commerce wanting to ask the County fo part of the PILOT money????????????
To be used to help purchase event policiies for county events. What county event? The Elk River Festival is a Howard event isn't it --- to raise funds for the City of Howard, right?
An event was strongly discouraged by the company underwriter, Student Assurance which provides a policy for Elk Konnected, LLC-sponsered events, such as the rock-climbing wall which will cover children but not adults.
Now did you notice Elk konnected does at least have insurance to protect the children at Elk Konnected evoents.
Did you notice it said Elk Konnected, LLC events. I believe the Howard Chamber of Commerce insurance says something similar, i.e. Howard Chamber of Commerce Events, don't you think?
Therefore the Elk River Festival event is more than likely a Howard event, right? To raise money for the City of Howard right?
And they and Elk Konnected, LLC are thinking of asking for PILOT money? Ever heard of counting your chickens before they hatch?
How about leaving the PILOT money alone
What is with that????
Since when does the Howard Chamber of Commerce or Elk Konnected, LLC qualify as holding county events and require county funds????
It seems to me that terminology is very loosely used, don't you think so too?
As I read this weeks paper it appears that the event the Howard Chamber of Commerce is discussing is one that is put on to raise funds for Howard, please correct me if I am wrong? Now, if that is true then it is not a County affair but a Howard affair?
So doesn't that make Elk Konnected, LLC a Howard privately owned company????
Oh I think I see the affiliation of our newspaper editor and Elk Konnected, LLC correct me if I'm wrong please?
Reading this weeks paper the front page has an article of old news but I think it's purpose is to keep Elk Konnected, LLC in the limelight, really --- old news frontpage --- what do you think?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Yes, I quoted myself and not the first time.
Quote from: Humpy on September 07, 2011, 02:05:33 PM
Most I have seen is some valid bitching about special interest preferance toward EK .
Humpy don't you think that should be enough for people to pay attention?
Afterall for years people have failed to pay attention to government on the federal level and look where we are now. I just don't believe there is a single person out there that is happy about the condition our country is in today. Do you?
People everywhere were accepting lollipops in the form of mortgages they could not afford. Everyone, congressmen and such seemd to have their hand out for their own personal projects. And organizations across the country wanting handouts from the feds. It was spend, spend, spend and where has it got us?
The economy is bust, jobs are scarce, people are homeless? Why? Because nobody cared about what was going on!
Do we continue the attitude of apathy that brought our great country to the present day situation??
If we care, we ask, we talk and we vote.
The Tonight Show With Jay Leno
The football game will be on Thursday night, right after the season finale of President Obama.
Obama will give a speech on job growth. I don't think it will be a big speech.
According to the latest poll, a record 73 percent of Americans think the country is headed in the wrong direction. But the good news: Gas is so expensive that we'll never get there.
Mitt Romney revealed a 59-point job plan at a big auto dealership. That shows you how smart Romney is. He knows that a politician only looks honest when he's standing next to a car salesman.
Is any of that really funny??
Quote from: Humpy on September 07, 2011, 02:05:33 PM
I would not approve if it is unlawful abuse of power or an illegal conflict of interest. Those have yet to be proved by any sort of document that I have seen.
I fear no one when it comes to the violation of the law Patriot and I know you don't either. So can anyone produce some kind of document proving either ? Ya can't prosecute on innuendo,dislike of a person or the postings on a blog. Arrogance is not against the law. You know how to build a case,and I haven't seen enough to do it yet. With your background, do you see enough for an affidavit of complaint?, Most I have seen is some valid bitching about special interest preferance toward EK .
I agree. Patience, my friend, patience. In the mean time, review the following links and then look at some recent, approved & published minutes for the Elk County Commission and talk to someone who attended recent meetings. Then, wonder why I would bring it up.
KSA 75-4319: http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_75/Article_43/75-4319.html (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_75/Article_43/75-4319.html)
Attorney General KOMA Info.: http://www.ksag.org/page/4-executive-sessions-when-can-a-meeting-be-closed-and-matters-privately-discussed (http://www.ksag.org/page/4-executive-sessions-when-can-a-meeting-be-closed-and-matters-privately-discussed)
Ross I think there are lots of people paying attention. The question from what I can gather is. Does EK and the county comissioners violate the law,and the obviously the peoples trust.Not to mention who are they? Who runs the outfit,who cashes the checks?Who writes their checks? Is most of their funding taken from the tax payer or from donations?
I have a hell of a time trusting government if for no other reason I worked for a small government for eight years. There was a pecking order there just like there is a social pecking order in Elk County. Mostly drawn on the lines of what can they do for me and what wealth level are they. I got friends that are worth lots and some that can't even pay attention.
Take a man for the his worth as being and acting like a man ,his word,and personal integrity. (it doesn'r hurt if he has a slight southern drawl either ).
Quote from: Humpy on September 07, 2011, 02:42:08 PM
Ross I think there are lots of people paying attention. The question from what I can gather is. Does EK and the county comissioners violate the law,and the obviously the peoples trust.Not to mention who are they? Who runs the outfit,who cashes the checks?Who writes their checks? Is most of their funding taken from the tax payer or from donations?
I have a hell of a time trusting government if for no other reason I worked for a small government for eight years. There was a pecking order there just like there is a social pecking order in Elk County. Mostly drawn on the lines of what can they do for me and what wealth level are they. I got friends that are worth lots and some that can't even pay attention.
Take a man for the his worth as being and acting like a man ,his word,and personal integrity. (it doesn'r hurt if he has a slight southern drawl either ).
I understand what you are saying Humpy but I'm no lawyer. I jsut don't appreciate what I have been seeing and reading and hearing. I to worked for government, federal government and there was a pecking order but ther was also a lot of lying and underhandedness in government I didn't appreciate either.
I would think if Elk Konnected found anything we have posted as wrong they would dispute it and/or sue. which has been threatened on this thread.
We know they are reading all this and we would like them to come forward and address the issues and questions.
I will continue to ask questions untill answers are forthcoming.
Humpy,
For instance things like:
Elk Konnected using our county government web site, how was that accomplished? It happened until a commissioners aunt brought it up at a commissioners meeting. Was that lawful? I don't know.
Elk Konnected using the county governments emergency call system, how was that accomplished? Was that lawful? I don't know.
Elk Konnected got their name on the Elk County Government grant for the County Summer Day Camp, how was that accomplished? Was it legal? I don't know.
Who do our county commissioners work for? All of the taxpayers or Elk Konnected? The line is really blurred don't you think?
Is it legal? I don't know. The one county commissioner said during a commissioners meeting she had a real problem keeping the many hats she wears seperated. She made it sound as impossible. So is there a conflict of interest? I don't know.
Do ethics play any part in any of this? Just questions with no answers.
Quote from: Ross on September 07, 2011, 07:35:09 PM
The one county commissioner said during a commissioners meeting she had a real problem keeping the many hats she wears seperated. She made it sound as impossible.
If there is that big of a problem keeping things separate, then maybe she should relinquish some of her "hats."
That sounds like the ethical thing to do. But do ethics play a part in politics today?
It's also as our newspaper editor described Elk Konnected as a loosly knit organization which I see as simply a play on words saying the organization is not really an organization. I sure wish he would clarify that one. How about it Mr. Editor would you care to clarify this for us? We know you watch the forum and your input is welcomed.
However, we do know that Elk Konnected is a privately owned company because it is Elk Konnected, LLC. Unless they care to correct us. How about it Elk Konnected would you care to clarify this information for us?
Perhaps our newspaper editor could answer a few questions to help Elk Konnected, do you suppose?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Just some interesting reading about organizational ethics I thought I'd share.
The Kenan Institute for Ethics Duke University
http://kenan.ethics.duke.edu/research/organizational-ethics/
How Your Organization Measures Up
Measure Up is an online assessment tool designed to help individuals and organizations understand the strengths and weaknesses of an organization's ethical culture. There is a survey a person can take called measure Up. I thought some of you might find it interesting.
What do you mean by accountability, transparency, candor, commitment and courage?
Accountability - Your accountability score describes the willingness of the organization to take responsibility for its impact on stakeholders both outside and within the organization. For example, an organization with a high accountability score is one in which everyone knows "where the buck stops" and is able to successfully engage stakeholders in ways that mitigate conflicts. Managers are accountable for the responsibilities they delegate to employees, and employees, in turn, are accountable for their own actions. Organizations with low accountability scores tend to disregard or ignore stakeholder concerns, and often their leaders don't effectively respond when a subordinate surfaces an ethical issue.
Transparency - Your score in transparency describes how clear and visible the organization makes its governance structures, mission, policies and procedures. In organizations with a high level of transparency, policies, structure and statements truthfully reflect the reality of day-to-day operations. Leaders explain how and why decisions are made; employees understand how they are evaluated. The organization shares relevant information with external stakeholders to enhance public confidence. Organizations that struggle to be transparent may also struggle with issues of legal compliance and internal and external trust.
Candor - Candor indicates the level of open, honest and reciprocal communication throughout the organization. Managers and employees that work in candid environments tend to feel they're treated fairly and have less fear of retaliation for reporting ethical misconduct. Leaders actively seek out and provide feedback on important issues from employees at all levels of the organization. Low scores in candor may indicate that mistakes are hidden and that "bad news" rarely flows up the organizational hierarchy.
Commitment - This dimension describes the organization's total commitment to supporting an ethical culture. Organizations scoring high on commitment also tend to be transparent in their ethical policies and procedures, enabling greater accountability throughout the organization. For example, incentive systems may be in place to encourage employees to address ethical concerns and integrate ethical considerations into their decision-making. Organizations that score low in commitment may superficially espouse ethics but not provide structures and incentives that support, encourage, and even reward ethical behavior.
Courage - This score tracks courage on both the organizational and individual levels. A courageous organization is one willing to do the right thing, even when there is financial risk. A courageous individual is able to make difficult decisions and act upon them. A low score in courage may indicate that while ethical concerns are recognized, they aren't shared or little is done when they are. Individuals may be unwilling to risk the personal and professional consequences of acting effectively to resolve ethical issues.
Quote from: Ross on September 08, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
That sounds like the ethical thing to do. But do ethics play a part in politics today?
Ethics only play a part in politics today for
some, Ross. There are very
few ethical politicians in this county, or even in this country for that matter. I wish it weren't true but until taxpayers (voters) hold these politicians accountable for their actions, ethics and morality will take a backseat to the wishes and wants of the unethical politicians. Time to wake up, America!---Mrs. KSH
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 08, 2011, 09:04:56 PM
Ethics only play a part in politics today for some, Ross.
We need major changes or our country is screwed.
Our country is hurting now due to a lack of ethics. IMHO
Here is wishing everyone a great weekend.
Ya gotta bucket and a sponge?
You have a great weekend too Ross. We will be commemorating the weekend watching 9/11 footage and remembering. We will never forget....
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2011, 09:05:55 PM
Ya gotta bucket and a sponge?
what?? Are we gonna clean up the county.
One of the communities is having a clean up this weekend.
Grenola is havig it's fall city clean up today!
And no Elk Konnected was mentioned in the newspaper article!??
It get's done.
I have a great podunk parade to go to in Elk City this morning.
The Elk Valley School band from Longton is marching in the parade.
My son plays the trumpet and he is real excited about it.
Podunk, because the parade route is probably 3 blocks long and after the parade turns around and comes back through a second time it will probably take all of a half hour long. Great fun,
Actually I was referring to cleaning up flood damage, but I like yours better.
Quote from: Ross on September 10, 2011, 06:28:32 AM
Grenola is havig it's fall city clean up today!
And no Elk Konnected was mentioned in the newspaper article!??
It get's done.
Where's the beef? Come to think of it, where
has EK been lately? I heard one of their steering committee members, Ms Hendricks, was in a radio interview with one of the Emporia Economic Development folks about economic development in Emporia. Wait! Emporia isn't in Elk County? What? Since Elk Konnected got an accreditation from Public Square Communities, LLC, the EK Summer Day Camps are over, and the wind farm construction has begun, Elk county doesn't need help any more? We're all better now? All of our communities are spic-n-span clean, growing and working well together, population is up, school enrollment is booming, infrastructure has improved, new businesses abound, taxes are down, and our citizens are enjoying a much greater quality of life? All in 4+ short years...
In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service. Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation. How can these two polarizing events happen at the same time? We needed help!
(Source: Elk Konnected About Us page at Public Square Communities webside)
Where's the economic development, the enhanced community relationships, and growth?
I've heard EK spent only about $4,000 of the $13,800+ obtained by the county in that summer day camp grant. What now becomes of the rest of those dollars that are still in the county coffers? Was it really 'fat, lazy citizens' who caused the failure of the Howard Wellness Center, or was it poor planning/management? Speaking of the Elk Konnected run Wellness Center, what becomes of any fitness equipment that was to be purchased with that special private $19,900 grant money handed out for that equipment? Maybe it was donated to the two school districts when the center went out of business. We can hope.
Results matter. And looking at results, maybe Elk County isn't really better off, and EK really doesn't have any managers. And yet we've been giving them tax dollars and letting them use government employees/resources, as they seek to influence county government and school districts?
Stay connected, citizens. There appears to be a disKonnect somewhere. But maybe there's something we don't know. I'm sure we'll find out... in time. Speaking of Konnections, do some research on these...
Elk Konnected, LLC
Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF)
Public Square Communities, LLC
Elk County Board of Commissioners
West Elk Unified School District 282
Longton Ball Association
Longton City law enforcement
Elk Valley Unified School District 283
Caney River Wind Project
Elk County Republican Committee
Girard, KS
Leoti, KS
Fort Scott, KS
Labette County, KS
Kansas Health Foundation
Howard State Bank
H W Allen Co., LLC
Eagle Head Ranch, LLC
Phillips Southern Electric Co., Inc.
First Neodesha Bank, Bank of Longton Branch
Quail Creek Properties, LLC
1313 N. Webb Rd Wichita, KS
Fall River Land Co, LLC
Research what?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 10, 2011, 12:06:18 PM
Research what?
Research the following.
Elk Konnected, LLC
Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF)
Public Square Communities, LLC
Elk County Board of Commissioners
West Elk Unified School District 282
Longton Ball Association
Longton City law enforcement
Elk Valley Unified School District 283
Caney River Wind Project
Elk County Republican Committee
Girard, KS
Leoti, KS
Fort Scott, KS
Labette County, KS
Kansas Health Foundation
Howard State Bank
H W Allen Co., LLC
Eagle Head Ranch, LLC
Phillips Southern Electric Co., Inc.
First Neodesha Bank, Bank of Longton Branch
Quail Creek Properties, LLC
1313 N. Webb Rd Wichita, KS
Fall River Land Co, LLC
Now Diane that means learn what you can about them, I'm sure you understood that.
What's happening here, there and everywhere????
Don't you suppose people should know what's happening in their county?
How come you didn't put the Elk County Democratic Committee on that list?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 10, 2011, 08:16:54 PM
How come you didn't put the Elk County Democratic Committee on that list?
You just did... but if one starts at the logical place to begin looking for details, the Kansas Democrat Party website.... it seems the Elk County Democrat committee either doesn't exist, isn't important enough to be listed, or the state party powers don't think they are worthy of being identified. Yet another mystery... but, in a strange sort of way... Konnected. Maybe I missed something.
Here, if you find em, I'll buy coffee: http://www.ksdp.org/party/links (http://www.ksdp.org/party/links)
I love the way the 'Democrats' have morphed into the 'Democratic' party... does that play on words mean that Democrats are the only 'democratic' folks? Seems like that's what they want us to believe. Given the teamster's (union=predominantly Democrat supporters) behavior in Seattle this last week, one must wonder.
While we're all so busy researching and learning about what is happening in Elk County, why don't we look into these?
BLM Wild Horse Program
Cornejo & Sons
Elk County RWD #2
Flint Oak
Gene Kelly
JDM Farms
J H Farms LLC
Jack Bannon Family Land & Cattle Co Lp
Kelly Manufacturing Company
SCKEDD
Summit Materials LLC
Westfall Brothers Ranch
Quote from: ddurbin on September 11, 2011, 08:13:15 AM
While we're all so busy researching and learning about what is happening in Elk County, why don't we look into these?
BLM Wild Horse Program
Cornejo & Sons
Elk County RWD #2
Flint Oak
Gene Kelly
JDM Farms
J H Farms LLC
Jack Bannon Family Land & Cattle Co Lp
Kelly Manufacturing Company
SCKEDD
Summit Materials LLC
Westfall Brothers Ranch
I recognize one of them recieving a bunch of welfare from the government!
Quote from: ddurbin on September 11, 2011, 08:13:15 AM
While we're all so busy researching and learning about what is happening in Elk County, why don't we look into these?
BLM Wild Horse Program
Cornejo & Sons
Elk County RWD #2
Flint Oak
Gene Kelly
JDM Farms
J H Farms LLC
Jack Bannon Family Land & Cattle Co Lp
Kelly Manufacturing Company
SCKEDD
Summit Materials LLC
Westfall Brothers Ranch
Is this a deflection or what is the point? I some how miss your point. Please explain!
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: ddurbin on September 11, 2011, 08:13:15 AM
While we're all so busy researching and learning about what is happening in Elk County, why don't we look into these?
BLM Wild Horse Program
Cornejo & Sons
Elk County RWD #2
Flint Oak
Gene Kelly
JDM Farms
J H Farms LLC
Jack Bannon Family Land & Cattle Co Lp
Kelly Manufacturing Company
SCKEDD
Summit Materials LLC
Westfall Brothers Ranch
Gene Kelly's ranch is called the Wineglass Ranch.
You can add Bellar Farms and I am sure there are a few more ranchers you can add, not just the Perkins family.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 11, 2011, 03:14:52 PM
...I am sure there are a few more ranchers you can add, not just the Perkins family.
I'm confuzzed. Where are you going here? If the Perkins clan were at issue, I surely wouldn't have missed Mac-O-Chee Farms, LLC and the myriad of tangled corporate & trust holdings involved in that package? Why do you single out the Perkins family? And is there something particularly Konnected with Wneglass or the list provided by ddurbin?
Patriot, it's getting pretty quiet here. Guess I'll do some research..........
According to a small article on the "Prairie Star" web site dated Sept. 23, 2009,
I read the following snippet: http://www.taylornews.org/pst/2009/09/23/wellness-center-opens-in-howard/#more-995
"A new wellness and fitness center has opened at 129 N. Wabash in Howard, operted by Elk Konnected. The building is owned by See-Kan which is leasing it to Elk Konnected, LLC. The mission of See-Kan is to enhance the quality of life in Southeast Kansas by providing leadership, education, and communication to help find solutions and resources for community needs. Elk Konnected, a familiar name in Elk County and the surrounding communities, is a community development program designed to promote strong families, solid education, and a superior lifestyle. The Community Wellness team will have a float in the parade this weekend during the Elk River Festival activities, as well as host an open house in the building on Saturday."
Now I haven't been following this thread and I'm not too crazy about going through all of the past posts to find out the following:
in simple terms, like 25 words or less, will someone please explain to me why they think Elk Konnected LLC is so bad for Elk County? The Wellness Center sounds pretty good to me.
Just curious. ???
Quote from: Warph on September 12, 2011, 12:35:31 AM
According to a small article on the "Prairie Star" web site dated Sept. 23, 2009,
I read the following snippet: http://www.taylornews.org/pst/2009/09/23/wellness-center-opens-in-howard/#more-995
Now I haven't been following this thread and I'm not too crazy about going through all of the past posts to find out the following:
in simple terms, like 25 words or less, will someone please explain to me why they think Elk Konnected LLC is so bad for Elk County? The Wellness Center sounds pretty good to me.
Just curious. ???
25 words or less can not begin to answer your question?
I doubt I can not answer your question in one response.
The wellness center which appeared to be funded by a grant to a non-profit organization, which now does not appear to be a non-profit organization but a privately owned company that accepts donations from a non-profit organization has shut down it's great contribution the Wellness Center in Howard on August 31st. It no longer exist.
An Elk Konnected follower said:
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
How's that for bad mouthing Elk County citizens??
And Elk Konnected could not run their own businness??
Elk Konnected, LLC has a self proclaimed founding member listed as Liz Perkins Hendricks, our Elk County Commisisioner.
Who, I hear is also the founding member of the Elk County Community and Educationsl Foundation which is a non-profit organization.
Anbd it now appears that Elk Konnected , LLC is now the reciepent of funding from ECCEF the non-profit organization.
Please, Correct me if I am wrong but isn't it usually companys that provide funding for non-profit organizations, not the other way around???
I don't believe anyone has said EK, LLC is so bad but I think the question is what is so good.
They have held what they call community converssations but don't actually have community conversatios because if you want to address them or the community during one of their shindigs the sheriff will be directed to escourt you off the premisses. Their shindigs are a very controlled and manipulated affair with circles of chairs and name tags with little stars (little stars used by kindergarten teachers) and the shindigs have been controlled by a facilitator from Wichita County not someone from the community. And it is my guess that there facilitators in quite a few of the circles of chairs to control the conversations.
Page one of this thread shows the results of one of those shindigs. The list of suggestions have no proof that any citizen of Elk County made even on of those suggestions.
The main thing in my opinion is "What is so good about Elk Konnected, LLC?
Elk Konnected, LLC claims to have no owner, no membership, no president, no secretary, no treasurer. No treasurer, who takes care of the books for all the taxpayers money they have collected fro the county commissioners??? Think about that for a minute?
Elk Konnected, LLC has wrote letters posing as a third party, to themselves praising all that they do for Elk County. What have they actually done?? They claim to be the savior of Elk County from what I have read, how can that be??
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Have we become the Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds.
Why Are Americans 'Allergic To Brains?'
I have two brain cells ones dead and the other is asleep and I can see something is not quite right but I just can't put my finger on what, can you?
I'm just full of questions and Elk Konnected, LLC who claims they want to communicate won't communicate, why do you suppose that is?? We know they are reading this thread because it is their buisness being discussed.
Quote from: Patriot on September 11, 2011, 04:24:57 PM
I'm confuzzed. Where are you going here? If the Perkins clan were at issue, I surely wouldn't have missed Mac-O-Chee Farms, LLC and the myriad of tangled corporate & trust holdings involved in that package? Why do you single out the Perkins family? And is there something particularly Konnected with Wneglass or the list provided by ddurbin?
Well, in the list that was put on this topic, were all those company names ones that had something to do with Elk Connected? If that is so, I was not seeing the connection. I was just seeing Elk County names.
I guess what I would need for someone to do is point out to me how that list is connected to this group that this topic is about. Such as the H W Allen Co LLC.
Does "research" in this case really meaning spying or butting into someones' private business affairs? I know I'm not there, but I don't understand the lists. What exactly is the researcher supposed to be looking for and what is to be done with the "information? ''This and that" doesn't explain much.
Look beyond the names. Look for connections. Try to analyze. Start with the understanding that there are some relationships that can carry the appearance of impropriety and may amount to cronyism or inappropriate use of, misuse of, and/or improper influence over government operations. Realize that Ross, Red, myself, and others who question may not be the enemies of local growth and the well being of this community or simply the sh*t disturbers that some have tried to portray. Perhaps the years of shrinking local economies, shriveling populations, dwindling infrastructure, etc. may be the result of 'we've always done it that way', or 'same management styles/different day', and that maybe somebody should have been asking questions a long time ago.
Thanks to Mr K.R. Leibau, Chairman of the Elk County Commission, who in the open county commission meeting today, said he was on the board of Elk Konnected. Progress? Perhaps. But there wasn't sufficient time to clarify his statement. Does that mean he's a legally admitted member/owner or only on a volunteer committee of some kind? Don't know.
Mrs. Hendricks indicated that "we" (Elk Konnected) had paid substantial monies from donations & grants received to Public Square Communities, LLC for their services in helping organize Elk County... something like $13,000 to $15,000. During a discussion of the county fund of taxpayer monies that budgets $10,000/year for youth development activities, she also said that she was unaware that "we" (Elk Konnected, a heavily youth development oriented group) had received $10982, from ECCEF in 2008 or $31,573 from the same source in 2009. That fact was illustrated by the ECCEF federal tax returns provided by Mr. Ritz, District 1. ???
Did you know that the median income in Elk County is something like $32,000/yr?
When asked there seemed to be no information available about any measurable results from Elk Konnected's community development efforts. As a matter of fact, Mrs. Hendricks said she couldn't see how such results could even be measured. The same answers were offered in response to questions about the successes achieved via the county economic development directors work, past and present... How about new businesses established, old business retention/expansion, increases in population, new jobs, etc.? Well, there was the fact that there's been a small increase in enrollment at West Elk schools.
Has anybody ever wondered why a newspaper doesn't attend and report the facts about these meetings? Meeting minutes are necessarily abbreviated... but rarely cover a lot of what is discussed.
More to come... stay connected.
I don't understand why a newspaper reporter isn't present to report what goes on at the meetings. When I was the assistant editor of the Sedan Times-Star, I went to School Board and City Council meetings and the Editor and I would both attend or take turns in going to the County Commission meetings and then we would report everything that went on at the meetings. I agree that very little of the actual discussions that go on in these meetings are ever in the minutes so it leaves a lot left out of what goes on...I guess leaving it out makes it bright and cheery and keeps the public pacified, especially when they don't fully understand or know what is going on in their city/county. That is why it is very important when information such as this EK stuff becomes public, that people don't just rely on word of a few to keep informed. People should go to the meetings themselves to ask questions and learn the truth!---Jennifer
To avoid any misunderstanding, not all quotes are full quotes. That would take up considerably more space. And to avoid the age old statement "Taken out of context" the reader can click on the line above each quote to be taken to the full quote. I am not trying to mislead or misrepresent any thing. I amsimply trying to refresh previous information.
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
Thanks to Mr K.R. Leibau, Chairman of the Elk County Commission, who in the open county commission meeting today, said he was on the board of Elk Konnected. Progress? Perhaps. But there wasn't sufficient time to clarify his statement. Does that mean he's a legally admitted member/owner or only on a volunteer committee of some kind? Don't know.
I told Redclif some time back.
Quote from: Ross on July 14, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
However, I think this thing is more of a social thing than a political one.
But there is no real line, it is al blurry......
What I see is a political action committe parading as supposed social organization.
What I see is an organization using people and tax dollars trying to create a powerful name for themselves and we don't know who they are.
I would just like to see the owners or registered members clarify the purpose of the organization.
Are they trying to represent me to the County Commissioners?
Are they trying to represent everyone in Elk County to the County Commissioners?
Or is it the County Commissioners using Elk konnected to avoid us, the taxpayers?????
I'd like to see owners or registered members step up to the plate. Talk with the community of Elk County.
Afterall isn't the Elk Konnected Community just imagination, just words? They don't appear to have any real boundaries or borders they even extend themselves outside of Elk County? How far will they go????
Two of our County Commisiioners act almost like cheerleaders for the organization during County Commissioners Meeetings.
To me that is just plain inappropriate unless they want to tell us who the owners, registered members are. Don't you agree?
Quote from: Ross on September 08, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
That sounds like the ethical thing to do. But do ethics play a part in politics today?
It's also as our newspaper editor described Elk Konnected as a loosly knit organization which I see as simply a play on words saying the organization is not really an organization. I sure wish he would clarify that one. How about it Mr. Editor would you care to clarify this for us? We know you watch the forum and your input is welcomed.
However, we do know that Elk Konnected is a privately owned company because it is Elk Konnected, LLC. Unless they care to correct us. How about it Elk Konnected would you care to clarify this information for us?
Perhaps our newspaper editor could answer a few questions to help Elk Konnected, do you suppose?
Quote from: Ross on April 29, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
i agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. And my reason for posting this list was because I knew the newspaper wouldn't. The newspaper is Elk Konnected affiliated and therefore biased. And I also posted it to get a real conversation going. And i can agree to disagree and hopefully not offend anyone.
Why, even when I spoke with the County Commissioners Board on Monday I could barely draw a difference between Elk Konnected and the Board. I do believe only one Commissioner is not involved with Elk Konnected. and that is Mr. Ritz.
While expressing my opinion to the board about Elk Konnected it was like a switch from County Commissioners to Elk Konnected.
Elk Konnected presents it self as if they represent all the people of Elk County and I believe it is more like 5
Quote from: Ross on September 08, 2011, 07:11:58 AM
That sounds like the ethical thing to do. But do ethics play a part in politics today?
It's also as our newspaper editor described Elk Konnected as a loosly knit organization which I see as simply a play on words saying the organization is not really an organization. I sure wish he would clarify that one. How about it Mr. Editor would you care to clarify this for us? We know you watch the forum and your input is welcomed.
However, we do know that Elk Konnected is a privately owned company because it is Elk Konnected, LLC. Unless they care to correct us. How about it Elk Konnected would you care to clarify this information for us?
Perhaps our newspaper editor could answer a few questions to help Elk Konnected, do you suppose?
Quote from: Ross on April 29, 2011, 07:30:30 AM
i agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. And my reason for posting this list was because I knew the newspaper wouldn't. The newspaper is Elk Konnected affiliated and therefore biased. And I also posted it to get a real conversation going. And i can agree to disagree and hopefully not offend anyone.
In my opinion the fact that Elk Konnected suggest one government for all the communities shows that they want to control Elk County.
Why, even when I spoke with the County Commissioners Board on Monday I could barely draw a difference between Elk Konnected and the Board. I do believe only one Commissioner is not involved with Elk Konnected. and that is Mr. Ritz.
While expressing my opinion to the board about Elk Konnected it was like a switch from County Commissioners to Elk Konnected.
Elk Konnected presents it self as if they represent all the people of Elk County and I believe it is more like 5 or 6% as someone else has pointed out. If the commissioners were really interested in the county peoples opinions as a whole they would take the proper leadership role and hole a special meeting open to the public without the 3 ring circus that Elk Konnected holds.
It's not just about a commissioner, it's about Elk Konnected. And the time to wake up is now. Not on election day. Look at the people running for the next president, they have already started positioning themselves. We need a couple of people to run for these offices that won't abuse the positions. We need to be looking now. I'd almost bet Elk Konnected has already got someone in mind.
Again it just my opinion.
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR fellow residents . Their agenda is making Elk County the best it can be.
What people donated?"
Quote from: Ross on August 25, 2011, 05:24:24 PM
This weeks newspaper read the "Howard Chamber of Commerce" column.
What's that all about Elk Konnected and the Howard Chamber of Commerce wanting to ask the County fo part of the PILOT money????????????
To be used to help purchase event policiies for county events. What county event? The Elk River Festival is a Howard event isn't it --- to raise funds for the City of Howard, right?
Quote from: Ross on July 08, 2011, 07:07:43 AM
You know while reading the newspaper I've noticed something interesting.
I believe the paper say's:
The Elk Konnected/Elk County Summer Day Camp
and The Howard Elk County Fair
I find it difficult to see a line between the Elk County government and the City of Howard.
and a line between the Elk Konnected organization and Elk County Government What's with that??
To quote flintauqua again:
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 04:08:44 pm
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why.
No, I did not list his opinion, nor my opinion because every person has their own opinion. I also did not twist the words.
But let me ask you isn't Elk Konnected a very, very small group of individuals?
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 12, 2011, 11:05:04 PM
I don't understand why a newspaper reporter isn't present to report what goes on at the meetings.
Quote from: Ross on April 29, 2011, 04:45:30 PM
If we had a good investigative reporter on our newspaper they would disclose this information. But the editor informed me that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected. So there you go, it would never happen.
WHERE DOES ELK KONNECTED STOP AND ELK COUNTY COMMISSIONERS START ??????????????????????????WHERE ARE THE ETHICS IN GOVERNMENT ???????
PERHAPS OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS CAN EXPLAIN FOR US WHAT THEIR POSITIONS ARE ???? ARE THEY ELK KONNECTED, LLC SUPPORTERS OR ELK COUNTY SUPPORTERS ???? In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Well, you boys have got yourself an Acorn in Elk County which is not news to you.
Republicanism is in season - it's blooming. And the Democrats are watering.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 12, 2011, 11:05:04 PM
That is why it is very important when information such as this EK stuff becomes public, that people don't just rely on word of a few to keep informed. People should go to the meetings themselves to ask questions and learn the truth!---Jennifer
Yea for you Jennifer.
I have missed the last few meetings due to to many events happening in my life. But, I sure wish I would have been at yesterdays meeting ot have at least seen the squirming?
I understand they still have a problem with seperating themselves from Elk Konnected. Asking questions similar to, "What difference does it make it it is Elk Konnected or Elk County that sponsers an event in Elk County? Ever heard of the word
"ETHICS" ?
Had I been there, I would have told them if it is Elk County, then Elk County not Elk Konnected, LLC should recieve the credit for the event. An example, the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp was funded by a grant to the citizens of Elk County's governing body, so why was it named Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp?
Perhaps because our county employee placed on the grant request to call it the Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp? I would simply like to know who may have authorized such an action of an emplyee to take such action on behalf of all the citizens of Elk County's governing body while on the county payroll ????
How does that work ???
Where is the
"ETHICS" in that ???
Why does Elk Konnected, LLC a private business have such influence on our Elk County Government ???
Is it perhaps because the private company has actual members on our County Commissioners panel ???
Do our County Commissioners have any ethics or principles ????
Just asking?
And how about this???
Quote from: Arc fault on August 06, 2008, 10:02:24 PM
The Community standards committee has been ENERGIZED with ideas such as drive by mowing, united legal communication about getting rid or old structures, and Ice Cream is a requirement at any and all meetings.
Stop the blithe, approve by BROCK, and let the Bulldozer Roll.
What is "The Community Standards Committee", what standards are they
authorized to form or enforce
and how?
What the heck does this mean? "
united legal communication about getting rid of old structures" united with who?
By what authority?
I just love these statements and I hope you do too!
" There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to
hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why.
" " Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
JeffersonI can not take credit for these statements, I borrowed them from previous posts on this thread.
But perhaps they will stimulate some talk and conversation and thinking about this beautiful county.
That is my hope and prayers.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Ross on September 13, 2011, 07:44:53 AM
To avoid any misunderstanding, not all quotes are full quotes. That would take up considerably more space. And to avoid the age old statement "Taken out of context" the reader can click on the line above each quote to be taken to the full quote. I am not trying to mislead or misrepresent any thing. I amsimply trying to refresh previous information.
To quote flintauqua again:
Quote from: flintauqua on April 21, 2011, 04:08:44 pm
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why.
No, I did not list his opinion, nor my opinion because every person has their own opinion. I also did not twist the words.
But let me ask you isn't Elk Konnected a very, very small group of individuals?
I am posting here on the Ross billboard for one reason and one reason only.
Once again Ross has found a way to interject my words written about Patriot and his small group of followers into a post about Elk Konnected.
And even though he said he would link each quote to the Forum post it came from, he somehow failed to link mine.
So, here is the link to the full post, which didn't even take place in this thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
Ross, please, come up with your own statements, and quit misusing mine.
I'd say he's using it because your words seem to fit with what is going on with EC/EK, unlike how you were attempting to make them fit with Patriot and "his small group".
Western moral philosophy would suggest that the previous is unethical. ;)
Quote from flintauqua:
Patriot and his small group of followers
Chuck,
Are you sure it's just a "small group of followers"? Don't be betting too much money on it ;)
Quote from: flintauqua on September 13, 2011, 12:41:01 PM
I am posting here on the Ross billboard for one reason and one reason only.
Once again Ross has found a way to interject my words written about Patriot and his small group of followers into a post about Elk Konnected.
And even though he said he would link each quote to the Forum post it came from, he somehow failed to link mine.
So, here is the link to the full post, which didn't even take place in this thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
Ross, please, come up with your own statements, and quit misusing mine.
Hi! Where ya been hiding. We have sorely missed your input.
I thought we had established were no copy rights broken by using words in any certain order. Besides you never stated where you borrowed the phrases from? But is that all you have to say on the subject?
Actually I quoted myself but that quote would lead to your statement if followed up on? So I did follow what I said.
But thank you for quoting me.
I really like the line in my quote that goes that asks you "But let me ask you isn't Elk Konnected a
very, very small group of individuals?". And you did not post a response. So that is a pparently a truthful statement, unless you can provide information to the contrary such as a list of actual members.
This is not the Ross Billboard, but it is the Elk County Forum on politics open to anyone.
And my bet is there are a lot more people interested in this topic then the very, very small group of Elk Konnected, LLC company are.
And I have heard the the founder of Elk Konnected, LLC is very aware of this thread --- but yet no comments, WHY ???
Won't what is happening hold up in the light of day?????????
Your turn, now.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2011, 12:58:06 PM
Western moral philosophy would suggest that the previous is unethical. ;)
Perhaps if they were his own personal words, I am certain if you do a google search you will find as I did the words are all over the internet.
Thank you Diane.
Quote from: mtcookson on September 13, 2011, 12:49:50 PM
I'd say he's using it because your words seem to fit with what is going on with EC/EK, unlike how you were attempting to make them fit with Patriot and "his small group".
I thank you Mr. Cookson for that statement, it is much appreciated.
His statement was used to make us appear as petty but guess what? It is not just, " Patriot and "his small group".
There are a lot of people watching and reading and they are a part of the group as well.
I'd like them to join in the conversation but that is totally up to them.
Any and all input is appreciated, even if it runs contrary to my views.
Let's have a conversation and try to keep it
civil.
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: jarhead on September 13, 2011, 01:19:08 PM
Quote from flintauqua:
Patriot and his small group of followers
Chuck,
Are you sure it's just a "small group of followers"? Don't be betting too much money on it ;)
You are so right Chuck, in my humble opinion.
Uh, Mr Ross, not to stir the pot, but you lost me. I thought the quote you borrowed from Flint was his own, that's why I poked ya about the ethics of reusing his words to suit yourself. If it's a quote from somewhere else, might I ask from whom? I didn't find anything obvious when I took a quick look.
So many diversions into minutia-land, so much time. We've seen attempts for months to try and sidetrack, diffuse, minimize and even derail any serious examination of the core issues in this thread. Like Obama's stimulus plans, it didn't work then, it won't work now. Friends (and not so friends), this is far from over. As a matter of fact, it would appear that the Ross Billboard is netting results... in more areas than one. So, continue your sleights of hand, and we'll persist in our objectives... that is to seek answers and adult discussion. We've nothing but time.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 13, 2011, 02:04:33 PM
Uh, Mr Ross, not to stir the pot, but you lost me. I thought the quote you borrowed from Flint was his own, that's why I poked ya about the ethics of reusing his words to suit yourself. If it's a quote from somewhere else, might I ask from whom? I didn't find anything obvious when I took a quick look.
There were so many when I googled it I didn't take the time to study them. Sorry.
But if you think what I have done is unethical that is fine with me.
At least I am not mixing and influencing Elk County Government.
I am simply looking for answers to some questions.
And I believe the people that have the answers are reading this thread and have been since it's conception.
So, why don't they provide clear answers?
To clear the record (since Ross doesn't seem capable of doing when asked nicely), the statements from me that he keeps mis-using, (and will again in the future in a futile attempt to get me back into this fray and increase his page count) are my own. I did not lift them from anywhere on the web.
When I use quotes from other people, I attribute them and use them in context and/or give the entire source so the reader can choose for themselves.
I, and others, have done both Google and Yahoo searches on my statements. They do come up five times in the top 50 on Google; all five times being links to postings on this very Forum. The statements do not register in the top 100 on Yahoo.
Words that are in the statements do turn up in various combinations, both in number and order, but you search any two words and you are apt to get hundreds, if not thousands of hits.
If Ross can prove otherwise, then he is welcome to provide actual proof, rather than more innuendo and statements like "I ddn't take time to study them".
Quote from: flintauqua on September 13, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
To clear the record (since Ross doesn't seem capable of doing when asked nicely), the statements from me that he keeps mis-using, (and will again in the future in a futile attempt to get me back into this fray and increase his page count) are my own. I did not lift them from anywhere on the web.
When I use quotes from other people, I attribute them and use them in context and/or give the entire source so the reader can choose for themselves.
I, and others, have done both Google and Yahoo searches on my statements. They do come up five times in the top 50 on Google; all five times being links to postings on this very Forum. The statements do not register in the top 100 on Yahoo.
Words that are in the statements do turn up in various combinations, both in number and order, but you search any two words and you are apt to get hundreds, if not thousands of hits.
If Ross can prove otherwise, then he is welcome to provide actual proof, rather than more innuendo and statements like "I ddn't take time to study them".
Damn if your that upset about your statements, remove them. shit you bitch more than my ex wife!
Sorry for the diversion Patriot but, I just talked to some people that have lived here a long time.
They told me of a similar organization that was here a long time ago called ECCA which worked to restore the bridge in Elk Falls and sold planks with peoples names on it.
And they supposedly tried to get the old quarry near Moline turned into a land fill for Wichita garbage to be shipped here. However it was put to a vote and was voted down by the county voters. The rumor goes on to say that they tried to work around what the voters wanted and were not successful.
I was told it was a forerunner of Elk Konnected because it was started by the same people or relatives of the people that started Elk Konnected, LLC. Is there anything to that? I'm just wondering.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 13, 2011, 05:50:38 PM
Damn if your that upset about your statements, remove them. shit you bitch more than my ex wife!
Is this what the Forum is turning into since Ross and Patriot have taken it over. This type of rudeness is all uncalled for. Charlie I hope you will ignore and take it as an inconsiderate post by an inconsiderate person. The Forum has really lost interest for a lot of people, me included. I am down to posting nothing but the Crude prices, and I only do that beacause some people have told me they like it. If someone else wants to post the daily crude market I will get off of the Forum completely. What started out to be a fun thing has been turned into trash by a few.
Quote from: flintauqua on September 13, 2011, 04:21:37 PM
To clear the record (since Ross doesn't seem capable of doing when asked nicely), the statements from me that he keeps mis-using, (and will again in the future in a futile attempt to get me back into this fray and increase his page count) are my own. I did not lift them from anywhere on the web.
When I use quotes from other people, I attribute them and use them in context and/or give the entire source so the reader can choose for themselves.
I, and others, have done both Google and Yahoo searches on my statements. They do come up five times in the top 50 on Google; all five times being links to postings on this very Forum. The statements do not register in the top 100 on Yahoo.
Words that are in the statements do turn up in various combinations, both in number and order, but you search any two words and you are apt to get hundreds, if not thousands of hits.
If Ross can prove otherwise, then he is welcome to provide actual proof, rather than more innuendo and statements like "I ddn't take time to study them".
Blah, Blah, Bah.
Hiding behind a cloak of anonymity!
http://www.barrowjournal.com/archives/2012-COLUMN-Hiding-behind-a-cloak-of-anonymity.html
http://publicityhound.net/dont-hide-behind-a-cloak-of-anonymity-on-facebook/
http://federalchronicle.blogspot.com/2009/11/hiding-behind-cloak-of-anonymity.html
Now You See Them, Now You Don't: Anonymity Versus Visibility!
Here are some more.
http://www.mondaq.com/article.asp?articleid=84274
http://articles.philly.com/2011-03-31/entertainment/29366301_1_amy-locane-bovenizer-public-funding-fatal-car-crash
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/7158395/Prime-Minister-accused-of-allowing-terrorist-suspects-access-to-funding.html
Read em and weep!
Is it a compliment to be politely mimicked ?
Apology accepted!
There are so many more. Just google, "Hiding behind a cloak of anonymity!"
Oh, didn't you say and i quote, "You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you."
Well I am waiting for some more of those wasted keystrokes.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
Is this what the Forum is turning into since Ross and Patriot have taken it over. This type of rudeness is all uncalled for. Charlie I hope you will ignore and take it as an inconsiderate post by an inconsiderate person. The Forum has really lost interest for a lot of people, me included. I am down to posting nothing but the Crude prices, and I only do that beacause some people have told me they like it. If someone else wants to post the daily crude market I will get off of the Forum completely. What started out to be a fun thing has been turned into trash by a few.
Oh come off it. I don't normally say much and this one time i do tell someone to quit bitching your going to pick my statement out of all the crap Cat, Diane, Jefe, and that bunch put out there! Their insults and innuendos and debasing red and patriot is ok with you!? Sheesh. You must be one of them then. I thought different.
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
Is this what the Forum is turning into since Ross and Patriot have taken it over. This type of rudeness is all uncalled for. Charlie I hope you will ignore and take it as an inconsiderate post by an inconsiderate person. The Forum has really lost interest for a lot of people, me included. I am down to posting nothing but the Crude prices, and I only do that beacause some people have told me they like it. If someone else wants to post the daily crude market I will get off of the Forum completely. What started out to be a fun thing has been turned into trash by a few.
You're right, Frank. I would hate to see you leave completely...This Forum is in bad need of the wisdom of people like you. Charlie...Keep up the good work.
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
Is this what the Forum is turning into since Ross and Patriot have taken it over.
I'm just curious, frawin, how it is you seem to see rudeness only in one dimension or direction? It seems to me that there has been plenty of that flying in multiple directions for some time. I won't waste your time or mine re-posting examples, though they abound,... and have for a long time. Have I been guilty on occasion? Absolutely. Do I regret any unprovoked shots? You betcha. But to be cast as a 'prime offender' among some tiny, select group? Please.
And speaking about taking over the forum. Really? The entire forum? I've never perceived you to be a man of exaggerations. But that claim, sir, seems to come real close to an overstatement.
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2011, 06:21:16 PM
Is this what the Forum is turning into since Ross and Patriot have taken it over. This type of rudeness is all uncalled for. Charlie I hope you will ignore and take it as an inconsiderate post by an inconsiderate person. The Forum has really lost interest for a lot of people, me included. I am down to posting nothing but the Crude prices, and I only do that beacause some people have told me they like it. If someone else wants to post the daily crude market I will get off of the Forum completely. What started out to be a fun thing has been turned into trash by a few.
He whines and then you whine, what's with that?
Do ya'all serve cheese with all that whine??
By the way we have not taken over anything, your imagination is getting carried away with you.
This is only one thread of many and I am sure you are welcome by the owners of the Forum to start a new thread.
Just more whine from Elk konnected followers which further supports what has been asked and said on this thread.
I sure hope your evening improves for you and that it becomes a happy one.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 13, 2011, 06:52:09 PM
You're right, Frank. I would hate to see you leave completely...This Forum is in bad need of the wisdom of people like you. Charlie...Keep up the good work.
I'm so sorry for you! Didn't you recognize the whinning? The two of them brought it on. I think only for a diversion.
I like diversions, don't you?
But all you Elk Konnected followers apparently know nothing about what you are following, or you could answer a few questions in a civil manner and avoid whinning and being ugly about the few questions?
Do you comprehend an of the questions or posts on this thread???
Can you give a civil answer to the following questions???
Try, will you please?
New questions --- How many actual members are there in Elk Konnected, LLC??????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification. What do you think????
Hey Patriot where have these people been for the last week? I thought everything was so peaceful and civil. But heck a little bit of fresh information and here they come with their diversions and attacks. Just destroying the civility of the thread.
But not a one of them has any answers. Do you suppose we are talking over their heads???
No, not me? As I told you I have two brain cells, ones dead and the other is asleep so my questions are really very simple. Don't you think???
Oop's was I just rude to myself?
I appologize self.
Appology accepted self.
Don't be so sensitve next time self.
Quote from: Ross on September 13, 2011, 06:04:16 PM
Sorry for the diversion Patriot but, I just talked to some people that have lived here a long time.
They told me of a similar organization that was here a long time ago called ECCA which worked to restore the bridge in Elk Falls and sold planks with peoples names on it.
And they supposedly tried to get the old quarry near Moline turned into a land fill for Wichita garbage to be shipped here. However it was put to a vote and was voted down by the county voters. The rumor goes on to say that they tried to work around what the voters wanted and were not successful.
I was told it was a forerunner of Elk Konnected because it was started by the same people or relatives of the people that started Elk Konnected, LLC. Is there anything to that? I'm just wondering.
ECCA is the Elk County Coucil on Aging and still exists:
http://sckaaa.org/ek.htm
The bridge refurbishment and the landfill debate occurred during the thirty-seven years of my life that were spent living in Elk County. ECCA was not a leading organization on either of those issues, nor is it a forerunner to Elk Konnected.
Try again.
Quote from: flintauqua on September 13, 2011, 07:57:13 PM
ECCA is the Elk County Coucil on Aging and still exists:
http://sckaaa.org/ek.htm
The bridge refurbishment and the landfill debate occurred during the thirty-seven years of my life that were spent living in Elk County. ECCA was not a leading organization on either of those issues, neither is it a forerunner to Elk Konnected.
Try again!
What do you mean, "Try again!".
I asked a few civil questions and recieved a few civil answers which I really appreciate.
The folks that were telling me the information were not sure of the name of the organization that was involved with the bridge refurbishment? Do you recall what the name of the organization was?
I thank you very much.
My (Flint) comments are in red.
Quote from: Ross on September 13, 2011, 08:12:40 PM
What do you mean, "Try again!".
I asked a few civil questions and recieved a few civil answers which I really appreciate.
The folks that were telling me the information were not sure of the name of the organization that was involved with the bridge refurbishment?
Then perhaps you should be sure of the organizations name before attributing actions to them. To do otherwise ends up with responsibility falling on people and organizations for actions they had no hand in. Grand misunderstandings begin this way.
Do you recall what the name of the organization was?
Yes, I believe I do, but I won't say here because any facts that I present on this thread end up being called into question, or turned around to mean something completely different.
I thank you very much.
flintauqua,
You sure twisted that didn't you. I never attributing actions to anybody. I simply asked a few questions about something I was told.
I asked in a very civil manner:
Do you recall what the name of the organization was?
And your respose was:
Yes, I believe I do, but I won't say here because any facts that I present on this thread end up being called into question, or turned around to mean something completely different.
So there was an organization??? But Not so civil a response.
But thanks for the response anyway. And goodnight.
Let's get back to the main topic of Elk Konnected, LLC.
This I feel is information that needs studied a bit.
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
Thanks to Mr K.R. Leibau, Chairman of the Elk County Commission, who in the open county commission meeting today, said he was on the board of Elk Konnected. Progress? Perhaps. But there wasn't sufficient time to clarify his statement. Does that mean he's a legally admitted member/owner or only on a volunteer committee of some kind? Don't know.
Mrs. Hendricks indicated that "we" (Elk Konnected) had paid substantial monies from donations & grants received to Public Square Communities, LLC for their services in helping organize Elk County... something like $13,000 to $15,000. During a discussion of the county fund of taxpayer monies that budgets $10,000/year for youth development activities, she also said that she was unaware that "we" (Elk Konnected, a heavily youth development oriented group) had received $10982, from ECCEF in 2008 or $31,573 from the same source in 2009. That fact was illustrated by the ECCEF federal tax returns provided by Mr. Ritz, District 1. ???
Did you know that the median income in Elk County is something like $32,000/yr?
When asked there seemed to be no information available about any measurable results from Elk Konnected's community development efforts. As a matter of fact, Mrs. Hendricks said she couldn't see how such results could even be measured. The same answers were offered in response to questions about the successes achieved via the county economic development directors work, past and present... How about new businesses established, old business retention/expansion, increases in population, new jobs, etc.? Well, there was the fact that there's been a small increase in enrollment at West Elk schools.
Has anybody ever wondered why a newspaper doesn't attend and report the facts about these meetings? Meeting minutes are necessarily abbreviated... but rarely cover a lot of what is discussed.
More to come... stay connected.
I still trying to digest all this and the fact that Mr K.R. Leibau, Chairman of the Elk County Commission, who in the open county commission meeting Monday, said he was on the board of Elk Konnected. But I thought Elk Konnected. LLC said they had no board of governors or any membership. Could he have really meant a member or an owner of Elk Konnected, LLC????? Perhaps he could post on here exactly what he meant so we would all have some clarifactaion, do you suppose?????
And all that money being paid to the compay from Wichita County, you know Public Squares Communities, LLC. ?????
I wonder what that is all about?????
Is all this really being done for the benefit of Elk County citizens?????
I understand Elk Konnected, LLC is a private company but when they claim to be working to be involved in the county for the betterment of the county shouldn't they be communicationg with the people and taxpayers of the county?????
Especially since it appears that two of the county commissioners are Elk Konnected. LLC, are they members ?????
Since Elk Konnected, LLC does not produce an actual physical product I don't see any trade secrets that could be exposed, do you?????
Nor do I see any Possible patent secrets to be exposed by talking with us, do you?????
But really, I think the quote I add here above needs more thought, don't you agree?????
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members?? It would be nice to have some clarification.
There are always individuals or very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why?????
Elk Konnected, LLC some answers would help, how about a real conversation?????
Ross,
I stopped at the Elk falls bridge today and carved into the first two planks it says " Dept. of Wildlife & Parks/ Americorps' and "Thanks from the Friends of Elk Falls ". Not sure if that's what you want to know or not. Now don't be twisting my words around to fit your agenda !! ;D
Quote from: jarhead on September 14, 2011, 10:35:44 AM
Ross,
I stopped at the Elk falls bridge today and carved into the first two planks it says " Dept. of Wildlife & Parks/ Americorps' and "Thanks from the Friends of Elk Falls ". Not sure if that's what you want to know or not. Now don't be twisting my words around to fit your agenda !! ;D
But, but, I want to twist and twist to Chubby Checker that is.
Thanks Jarhead the folks that were telling me the story did mention the "Thanks from the Friends of Elk Falls ", but not the
" Dept. of Wildlife & Parks/ Americorps'. Aj=nd i just bet if I tell them they will remember. I'll pass that back to the people.
Thanks again Jarhead I appreciate getting a straight answer and a civil answer.
Ross, I wonder if who ever told you that ECCA had something to do with fixing the old bridge in Elk Falls didn't mean the NCCC. My limited research on AmeriCorps says a division of it is NCCC (National Civilian Community Corps ). Hell as far as I know the NAACP might of done the work. Yep, I bet the Rev. Al Sharpton was there swinging a hammer---or running his racist mouth. Whoops, there went me being civil---but I'm truthful. ;D
Quote from: jarhead on September 14, 2011, 02:27:10 PM
Ross, I wonder if who ever told you that ECCA had something to do with fixing the old bridge in Elk Falls didn't mean the NCCC. My limited research on AmeriCorps says a division of it is NCCC (National Civilian Community Corps ). Hell as far as I know the NAACP might of done the work. Yep, I bet the Rev. Al Sharpton was there swinging a hammer---or running his racist mouth. Whoops, there went me being civil---but I'm truthful. ;D
LOL
That very well could be, they were unsure. I drop that on them and perhaps then they will recall it. Thanks
"War Is Coming"In this corner we have Elk Konnected LLC AND In this other corner we have Ross & Patriot!!Let the Battle Begin! Let the Battle Begin! Let the Battle Begin! Let the Battle Begin!
Warph, where did you find that video? I thought we buried that during my days at Apple. We came up with an alternative video.
Davy Crockett - Not Yours To Give
Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
« Reply #2767 on: September 12, 2011, 11:32:54 pm »
Thanks to Mr K.R. Leibau, Chairman of the Elk County Commission, who in the open county commission meeting today, said he was on the board of Elk Konnected. Progress? Perhaps. But there wasn't sufficient time to clarify his statement. Does that mean he's a legally admitted member/owner or only on a volunteer committee of some kind? Don't know.
Why could you not get an answer? You are very determined on here, but can't get answers to your questions in front of the people who have to answer your questions.
As far as the $ dollar value you say ECCEF gave to Elk Konnected for the fitness equipment was it cash or was it a donation of equipment from a non-profit organization?
Glad to see you took my advice to query your County Commissoners . I am at a loss at why you all did not get more answers at the meeting. Atleast Ross was not threatened with having the Sheriff remove him. So many questions , but as to why Ross can't get his answers I don't know.. Is this a personal vendetta or does he have a legitimate gripe against the powers that be?.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 14, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Why could you not get an answer? You are very determined on here, but can't get answers to your questions in front of the people who have to answer your questions.
I believe I said there wasn't time to clarify the point. It was a lively discussion, with much ground covered. Don't a$$ume I wasn't determined.
Heck, Commissioner Ritz didn't get a clear answer on his main question either: "Why is Elk County paying Jennifer Brummel for youth development activities. Given her work seems mostly for Elk Konnected, shouldn't they be paying her wage?"Quote from: sodbuster on September 14, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
As far as the $ dollar value you say ECCEF gave to Elk Konnected for the fitness equipment was it cash or was it a donation of equipment from a non-profit organization?
I don't believe I mentioned the Wellness Center in re the monies identified. If that had been the topic I would have identified a separate cash grant from another non-profit in the amount of $19,900 designated for the purchase of equipment. Let's keep our money straight, please. To assume that all the monies that EK has received from 2007 to date went into the wellness center is probably erroneous.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 14, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Glad to see you took my advice to query your County Commissoners . I am at a loss at why you all did not get more answers at the meeting.
Nobody 'took your advice'. There has been much dialogue in numerous places since way before your triumphal re-entry to this forum. As a matter of fact, you've frankly offered little useful input to this debate, imo. And, yes, by virtue of your location, or whatever, you are at a loss.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 14, 2011, 11:53:51 PM
Atleast Ross was not threatened with having the Sheriff remove him. So many questions , but as to why Ross can't get his answers I don't know.. Is this a personal vendetta or does he have a legitimate gripe against the powers that be?.
David
No, but then you didn't see the deputy arrive after the meeting had begun and plant his gun totin ass right next to me, did you? An attempt at citizen intimidation... you decide. Personal vendetta? Man you (and many of your fellow defenders) are clueless. Let's just say this meeting covered a lot of territory and probably created more questions than have been asked here. As for some singular vendetta, please be advised that the meeting discussion was voluntarily initiated by an elected official. One who gained his seat in a rather surprising (if not embarrassing) electoral defeat of a local Democrat not long ago.
No, this is about legitimate issues... reread this entire thread for some perspective. And stay connected. :)
Quote from: Warph on September 14, 2011, 09:55:00 PM
"War Is Coming"
In this corner we have Elk Konnected LLC AND In this other corner we have Ross & Patriot!!
Warph,
With all due respect, it's embarrassing to see you so on point with national issues that violate conservative principles and so yet so tolerant and mocking of local matters that seem to mimic the larger patterns of self serving government abuses, crony capitalism, etc.
I guess people often complain about the kids down the street yet suffer amnesia and shortsightedness when it's their own kids who behave badly. Perhaps that's the case here. Or maybe it's the placement of personal affinity for old acquaintances over character and core principles. In either case, it's sad.
For your information, I am no scholar and I copy and paste and not ashamed to admit it.
Here, I copy and paste from the internet to help with this post. I do not mean Plagiarize except for one statement which I have given credit to the person who claims to have coined the statement personally and he doesn't like me using the statement. But it is not copy right protected so I will most likely continue to use it. Check it out at the bottom of this post. I think I added an extra word for what it's worth ii is in blue near the bottom of the page.
LONDON (AP) -- Global stocks remained buoyed by the decision of five top central banks to provide unlimited amounts of dollar loans to the banking sector, easing one of the concerns driving the recent turbulence in financial markets of late.
Coming on top of mounting hopes that Greece will not be defaulting on its debts anytime soon, the news helped ease concerns over the impact of Europe's debt crisis on banking stocks.What are the Central Banks? They are organizations that control our money, they are not government.
They operate with what is called fiat? What is fiat ---
From Merriam Webster formal: an official order given by someone who has power : an order that must be followed. In a round about way is it possible that is ElK Konnected, LLC's goal to be a fiat?????
After all isn't money power??????
And isn't having people in stratigic positions power ?????
Isn't it time to wake up ?????? I'm just asking isn't it possible?????
I'd like, I'd appreciate your input.
I'm sure a lot of other people would like to read your thoughts on the subject.
Why do you suppose ElK Konnected, LLC wants an ElK Konnected, LLC person in each community ?????
Do you suppose it gives them power to control ?????
Why do you suppose ElK Konnected, LLC wants an ElK Konnected, LLC persons or two on the County Commissioners ?????
Do you suppose it gives them power to control ??????
Why do you suppose ElK Konnected, LLC wants an ElK Konnected, LLC persons or two on the School Boards ?????
Do you suppose it gives them power to control ??????
Why do you suppose ElK Konnected, LLC wants a person who is a community police officer on the ElK Konnected, LLC steering committee ??????
Do you suppose it gives them power to control ??????
Why do you suppose the screaming and name calling will most likely start up on this thread very shortly after I press the post button ?????? Okay shortly after it's posted.
I'll tell you why, I think that, and again it is just MHO. I don't believe they want you thinking for yourself, just my opinion. That's why some of the followers have said things like
this thread is dead,yet it didn't die. That's why IMHO some follower said this thread is not good for my health,
they want this thread shut down.
No, IMHO it's not just because they find it boring, they don't want you or me thinking for ourselves, IMHO.
Why won't ElK Konnected, LLC talk with us?
Why do you suppose they went from a non-profit to an LLC,
perhaps do you suppose,
so they would not have to answer to the citizens of Elk County, just asking ?????
Now, they have to ask for donations to ECCEF and that donations be turned over to them from ECCEF,
I believe that is what they said they are doing, why do you suppose they chose to go that way ?????
Also, why do you suppose all donors are Anonymous ?
Also, why do you suppose all suggestions are Anonymous and Secret ?
Just some questions that I have on my mind and a couple of personal opinions and observations, that's all.
Thank you for listening.
Now go, think for yourself or slap me.
It's entirely up to you.
And have a great, nice, cool, day.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
What is "The Community Standards Committee", what standards are they authorized to form or enforce and how?
What the heck does this mean? "united legal communication about getting rid of old structures" united with who?
By what authority?
I just love these statements and I hope you do too!
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " This is a statement unto it's own IMHO." Pride costs us more than hunger, thirst, and cold."
" How much pain the evils have cost us that never happened "
Jefferson
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ?????
Quote from: Patriot on September 15, 2011, 06:23:34 AM
Warph,
With all due respect, it's embarrassing to see you so on point with national issues that violate conservative principles and so yet so tolerant and mocking of local matters that seem to mimic the larger patterns of self serving government abuses, crony capitalism, etc.
I guess people often complain about the kids down the street yet suffer amnesia and shortsightedness when it's their own kids who behave badly. Perhaps that's the case here. Or maybe it's the placement of personal affinity for old acquaintances over character and core principles. In either case, it's sad.
Patriot, as usual you're making good points again. There's no real differences between Obama/Acorn and EK LLC/ EK. It's all the same ole stuff - it's called liberalism.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 13, 2011, 06:49:04 PM
Oh come off it. I don't normally say much and this one time i do tell someone to quit bitching your going to pick my statement out of all the crap Cat, Diane, Jefe, and that bunch put out there! Their insults and innuendos and debasing red and patriot is ok with you!? Sheesh. You must be one of them then. I thought different.
Quote from: Patriot on September 15, 2011, 06:23:34 AM
Warph,
With all due respect, it's embarrassing to see you so on point with national issues that violate conservative principles and so yet so tolerant and mocking of local matters that seem to mimic the larger patterns of self serving government abuses, crony capitalism, etc.
I guess people often complain about the kids down the street yet suffer amnesia and shortsightedness when it's their own kids who behave badly. Perhaps that's the case here. Or maybe it's the placement of personal affinity for old acquaintances over character and core principles. In either case, it's sad .
You all would be lucky if you had half the smarts and wisdom of Frawinn and\or Warph.
Just my opinion. Supported by many on the forum. This statement is my own and not necessarily endorsed by Warph, Slappy, frawinn, Peet's coffee or the 19th Hole Bar and Bar.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
You all would be lucky if you had half the smarts and wisdom of Frawinn and\or Warph.
Just my opinion. Supported by many on the forum. This statement is my own and not necessarily endorsed by Warph, Slappy, frawinn, Peet's coffee or the 19th Hole Bar and Bar.
David
Everyone knows you are full of it and I thiink you know it.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
You all would be lucky if you had half the smarts and wisdom of Frawinn and\or Warph.
If that is true David, how come they are unable to provide civil answers to the simple questions on this thread??????
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 05:37:19 PM
Supported by many on the forum.
Like who??????
Quote from: Ross on September 16, 2011, 05:45:08 PM
Everyone knows you are full of it and I thiink you know it.
If that is true David, how come they are unable to provide civil answers to the simple questions on this thread??????
Like who??????
You deserve no civil answers. Since you are not civil. Everyone that knows me knows that I am full of it only when it comes to you and Patriot, Redcliffsw, and the two supporters of yours here on the forum. Sorry to hear that you are still under the Sheriff's watch. How come all your many supporters couldn't get answers after you had to leave for your personal reasons? Like I said to you earlier, you can't fight the "old guard". In my opinion the reason you have no answers from them, your efforts, or anyone else for that matter; is that you have a personal vendetta in mind and not a legitimate quest for the questions that you ask. Just my opinion. I understand Elk County very well it has been the same for more years than you have been alive. The reason Warph and frawinn have no answers for you is they have more wisdom than both of us and refuse to fight with you like I do. Wriite that off to my "youthful" indescretions and the fact they have more wisdom than I do. :)
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
you can't fight the "old guard". In my opinion the reason you have no answers from them, your efforts, or anyone else for that matter; is that you have a personal vendetta in mind and not a legitimate quest for the questions that you ask. Just my opinion.
We can fight the
"old guard." Anyone can. It's not a question of "can;" it's a matter of "will." What about the Colonists who
"fought the old guard" and made America the country that it is 235 years ago? There are things going on in this county that the everyday average citizens of this county and abroad just don't understand. That's why we are asking questions. And it's not just "Ross, Patriot, Red and the two supporters" that are asking questions. "We The People" have every right to a lot of the answers in which we seek, especially when different hats are being worn and NOT being kept separate and especially when "We The People's" money is being used. I only wish that I could attend the meetings to find out first hand what is going on in this county, but I have to work. If the commission meetings were held in the evening, such as school board meetings and city council meetings, I would bet that more people would attend them. But maybe that's what they don't want. Just my opinion---Jennifer Walker
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 16, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
We can fight the "old guard." Anyone can. It's not a question of "can;" it's a matter of "will." What about the Colonists who "fought the old guard" and made America the country that it is 235 years ago? There are things going on in this county that the everyday average citizens of this county and abroad just don't understand. That's why we are asking questions. And it's not just "Ross, Patriot, Red and the two supporters" that are asking questions. "We The People" have every right to a lot of the answers in which we seek, especially when different hats are being worn and NOT being kept separate and especially when "We The People's" money is being used. I only wish that I could attend the meetings to find out first hand what is going on in this county, but I have to work. If the commission meetings were held in the evening, such as school board meetings and city council meetings, I would bet that more people would attend them. But maybe that's what they don't want. Just my opinion---Jennifer Walker
Jennifer I agree with a majority of your post. What I question is motives and will of some of those that post to the thread. I agree about the time the meetings are held. My county commission meetings are also held at 1pm in the afternoon. I guess that is in the county commissioner's "bible". I will also, say that when something bothered me enough I took time off and went to the meetings at 1pm.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
You deserve no civil answers. Since you are not civil. Everyone that knows me knows that I am full of it only when it comes to you and Patriot, Redcliffsw, and the two supporters of yours here on the forum. Sorry to hear that you are still under the Sheriff's watch. How come all your many supporters couldn't get answers after you had to leave for your personal reasons? Like I said to you earlier, you can't fight the "old guard". In my opinion the reason you have no answers from them, your efforts, or anyone else for that matter; is that you have a personal vendetta in mind and not a legitimate quest for the questions that you ask. Just my opinion. I understand Elk County very well it has been the same for more years than you have been alive. The reason Warph and frawinn have no answers for you is they have more wisdom than both of us and refuse to fight with you like I do. Wriite that off to my "youthful" indescretions and the fact they have more wisdom than I do. :)
David
You are brilliant David. Don't you realize that Elk Konnected said they got started to do away with the old guard. NOT
There is no fighting, they simply have no answers and that's a fact. Anything other then answers is a smoke screen for ignorance of the questions. Plain and simple. Grow up.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
Sorry to hear that you are still under the Sheriff's watch.
That David is one of the
dumbest things you could possibly say. I have never been in trouble with the law in my entire life. I have never been under any kind of watch. However, I have been warned to watch for idiots. I apologize for that.
NOTQuote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 06:42:46 PM
you have a personal vendetta in mind and not a legitimate quest for the questions that you ask.
What personal vendetta??? A have nothing personal against an loosely knit organization that has no membership, no owner.
I'd just like to know what there agenda is if they are going to continue to present themselves as a county organizer, savior or what ever they want to claim to be. The company presented it's self to the county citizens as some kind of God send and stated they wanted everyone in the county to be connected. So the one real questions is why won't they connect????? But then you would not understand that living way out there in California now would you????? What do you have to gain by sucking up to anybody in Elk County????? Do you think they respect suck ups???? Truthfully David nobody respects suckups.
I don't see a single one of them speaking up on your behalf or even saying thank you for saying how smart they are, do you?????
Have you bothered to even read and attempt to comprehend any of this thread????
Try reading this post and try to comprehend what is said, okay, ok.
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2011, 10:32:54 PM
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 07:53:07 PM
I will also, say that when something bothered me enough I took time off and went to the meetings at 1pm.
I don't have the luxury of taking off to be at a meeting at 1 p.m. on a Monday afternoon. I have already exhausted all of my vacation time and sick leave for the year by taking care of my sick mother. So that doesn't work for me. If I could, I would but I can't. And I'm sure that is how it is with a lot of people. Jobs are hard to come by around here so people just don't have that kind of luxury.--JW
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 16, 2011, 08:13:15 PM
I don't have the luxury of taking off to be at a meeting at 1 p.m. on a Monday afternoon. I have already exhausted all of my vacation time and sick leave for the year by taking care of my sick mother. So that doesn't work for me. If I could, I would but I can't. And I'm sure that is how it is with a lot of people. Jobs are hard to come by around here so people just don't have that kind of luxury.--JW
Your situation is not different from mine or anyone elses. If it[this threads questions] were a high priority (will) you would find a way to get to the meeting. Participating in your government's decisions is not a luxury. It is a right and a duty. You are not alone. Many people are so fed up and discouraged with government that they have forsaken participation. Just by the fact we debate\discuss it here on the forum is much more than many people.
David
Quote from: Ross on September 16, 2011, 08:07:17 PM
That David is one of the dumbest things you could possibly say. I have never been in trouble with the law in my entire life. I have never been under any kind of watch. However, I have been warned to watch for idiots. I appologize for that.
Ross I only repeated what you said about the sheriff. They were called on you at the initial meeting at the beginning of the thread. You said they came and sat next to you to "intimidate" [ a paraphrase] you at the last county commissioner's meeting. So if that is the "dumbest thing I [you] could say" then I am dumb for repeating something that you have said. While I would like to agree that repeating anything you say is "dumb" it is not so in this case.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 08:30:29 PM
Ross I only repeated what you said about the sheriff. They were called on you at the initial meeting at the beginning of the thread. You said they came and sat next to you to "intimidate" [ a paraphrase] you at the last county commissioner's meeting. So if that is the "dumbest thing I [you] could say" then I am dumb for repeating something that you have said. While I would like to agree that repeating anything you say is "dumb" it is not so in this case.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 08:30:29 PM
Ross I only repeated what you said about the sheriff.
Now that is a bold faced lie.
You can not cover up dumb with a lie, it does not work.
Find where I said that and quote and paste it right here.
Nothing less then a quote that shows a link to what you say will only prove it's a lie and that you lie.
Hint, there is a search box at the top of the page.
Good luck finding what is not there and good night.
I believe David made a mistake and confused Ross with Patriot as to who attended the Commission meeting on Monday. Ross has certainly confused me (Flintauqua) with Jefe De Vaca before, and did just a couple days ago. Everyone makes a mistake from time to time.
Quote from: flintauqua on September 16, 2011, 08:59:57 PM
I believe David made a mistake and confused Ross with Patriot as to who attended the Commission meeting on Monday. Ross has certainly confused me (Flintauqua) with Jefe De Vaca before, and did just a couple days ago. Everyone makes a mistake from time to time.
Charles you are correct. I did make a mistake as to my ref. to the last commission meeting. It was indeed Patriot. My apologies Ross for ref. Patriot's statement from the last meeting to you. I stand by the rest of my statement. Charles thanks fro providing clarity to who posted what.
David
Thanks, Ross, for the 'reminder'. It's amazing how difficult it seems to be for some folks to stay on track and focus on the core issues... simply amazing.
Now, about those federal tax returns that Mr. Ritz produced. Anybody interested in seeing them?
Quote from: Patriot on September 16, 2011, 11:44:21 PM
Thanks, Ross, for the 'reminder'. It's amazing how difficult it seems to be for some folks to stay on track and focus on the core issues... simply amazing.
Now, about those federal tax returns that Mr. Ritz produced. Anybody interested in seeing them?
You are welcome Patriot. I don't think any of the followers want facts, it's to hard to digest.
Patrriot something is about to happen today in New York City on Wall Street at noon.
It kind of reminds me of local so called leadership and the denial there of. I just posted a new thread about the protest that is suppose to happen. What I find strange is the
denial of leadership of this what apppears to be a major protest.
Anyway here is the link to my posting and once there you will find a link to the full article.
Quote from: Ross on September 17, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
Thousands of protesters to 'Occupy Wall Street' on Saturday
Quote from: Ross on September 17, 2011, 07:32:33 AM
Quote from: sodbuster on September 16, 2011, 09:05:34 PM
Charles you are correct. I did make a mistake as to my ref. to the last commission meeting. It was indeed Patriot. My apologies Ross for ref. Patriot's statement from the last meeting to you. I stand by the rest of my statement. Charles thanks fro providing clarity to who posted what.
David
I still don't believe it.
Where's the proof?
Where is the quote?
The rest of the statement still remains DUMB.
Quote from: Ross on September 17, 2011, 07:47:42 AM
...something is about to happen today in New York City on Wall Street at noon.
I read your Wall Street thread. As I read it, I kept wondering.... who steers their steering committee? And who paid for the promotion? And do the 'volunteers' even know? :o
Quote from: Patriot on September 17, 2011, 09:55:30 AM
I read your Wall Street thread. As I read it, I kept wondering.... who steers their steering committee? And who paid for the promotion? And do the 'volunteers' even know? :o
Sure makes you wonder doesn't it?
Who's going to pay for the kitchen and all the food for 3 months??
How much are the organizers paying themselves?????
10 G's????? ,
50 G's?????
100 G's?????
But yet, not assuming any responsibility??????
Why??????It might be a Godsend for the homeless.
They could possibly be a good share of the protesters and be able to get some decent meals, don't ya think?
Quote from: Ross on September 17, 2011, 10:21:40 AM
Sure makes you wonder doesn't it?
Who's going to pay for the kitchen and all the food for 3 months??
How much are the organizers paying themselves?????
10 G's????? ,
50 G's?????
100 G's?????
But yet, not assuming any responsibility?????? Why??????
It might be a Godsrnd for the homeless.
They could possibly be a good share of the protesters and be able to get some decent meals, don't ya think?
Good for the underserved, yes. But I'm betting the money is not being provided directly by the 'organizers'. Maybe they got a community development/organization grant. Other peoples money is in vogue, ya know.
What is a steering committee?????
Steering Committee Job Description.Steering committees are company stakeholders and experts who help
top executives make decisions that impact company policy.
So who are the Executives of Elk Konected, LLC ? Who are the Leaders of Elk Konnected, LLC? ? Read more: Steering Committee Job Description | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6643436_steering-committee-job-description.html#ixzz1YFQpDGLy
From page one of this thread of suggestions from Elk Konnected to the Elk County Commissioners.Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's) Marx detailed the 10 essential tenets of communism as:Central banking system
Government controlled education
Government controlled labor
Government ownership of transportation and communication vehicles
Government ownership of agricultural means and factories
Total abolition of private property
Property rights confiscation
Heavy income tax on everyone
Elimination of rights of inheritance
Regional planning Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
So why won't Elk Konnected clear up the air and answer a few questions ??????
Every organization has leaders that are called organizers or promoters or executives. Why is it no one claims to be a leader in Elk Konnected. Does Elk Konnected really lack leadership?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Why don't you ask your county commish, Liz Hendricks ??? Maybe she can enlighten
you on the subject... you sure aren't going to find out on this forum. Pick up the phone
and call her for a meeting with you and your steering committee. Then present the minutes
of the meeting on this forum. I'm sure she would be glad to talk with you about it, Ross.
Sounds like the smart thing to do.... the smart thing to do.... the SMART thing to do!
Quote from: Warph on September 17, 2011, 11:21:14 PM
Sounds like the smart thing to do.... the smart thing to do.... the SMART thing to do!
I'm curious. Since these matters seem to involve government/private entanglements, why would a private conversation be smarter than an open, public discussion. Smarter, in what ways?
Quote from: Patriot on September 17, 2011, 11:51:03 PM
I'm curious. Since these matters seem to involve government/private entanglements, why would a private conversation be smarter than an open, public discussion. Smarter, in what ways?
Patriot.. the way I see it, you are acting like a first class dumbo. Come on, admit it... you wouldn't know "smart" if it hit you in the fanny... and that post was to Ross, not his second-rate lackey. Now if this seems to piss you off, so be it. I do believe you two are like a couple of parrots sitting on the shoulders of the forum. You both seem to be parroting the same thing over and over and over without coming up with answers to your parroting questions. You two don't really seem to know what to do next, do you. Come on now, admit it. It is getting very sadder by the minute, don't you think? You two remind me of the current administration in Washington.... you've have been down your rabbit-hole for so long hoping to find some wizard with the answers and bring you back to the sunny fields of Kansas. Well, I hate to break it to you guys, there is no wizard here on the forum. So it looks like you two better head back to your perches and see if you can come up with another plan to involve, lets say, talking with your county commissioners; the local newspapers; local county-wide radio stations; rotary clubs in the county; and see if you're more successful pushing your agenda.
Ah ha... bet I probably know the answer to that.... that would mean you will have to get off the computers, out of the house, and start doing some real hard work talking to people, face to face, to find out the answers to your questions... right? But that's not going to happen because you are too lazy for one thing and feel safer doing what you are doing hiding behind your trusty computer... right? It looks like you're going to have to take that road to Elk Konnected,LLC because that EK,LLC road ain't coming to you. Hope you've figured that out by now. Also, I think you owe Sodbuster an apology.
Quote from: Warph on September 17, 2011, 11:21:14 PM
Why don't you ask your county commish, Liz Hendricks ??? Maybe she can enlighten
you on the subject... you sure aren't going to find out on this forum. Pick up the phone
and call her for a meeting with you and your steering committee. Then present the minutes
of the meeting on this forum. I'm sure she would be glad to talk with you about it, Ross.
Sounds like the smart thing to do.... the smart thing to do.... the SMART thing to do!
WARPH, you are the best and smartest thing that has ever happened to the Forum, Keep on keeping on.
Frank
Quote from: Warph on September 18, 2011, 01:06:34 AM
Patriot.. the way I see it, you are acting like a first class dumbo. Come on, admit it... you wouldn't know "smart" if it hit you in the fanny... and that post was to Ross, not his second-rate lackey. Now if this seems to piss you off, so be it. I do believe you two are like a couple of parrots sitting on the shoulders of the forum. You both seem to be parroting the same thing over and over and over without coming up with answers to your parroting questions. You two don't really seem to know what to do next, do you. Come on now, admit it. It is getting very sadder by the minute, don't you think? You two remind me of the current administration in Washington.... you've have been down your rabbit-hole for so long hoping to find some wizard with the answers and bring you back to the sunny fields of Kansas. Well, I hate to break it to you guys, there is no wizard here on the forum. So it looks like you two better head back to your perches and see if you can come up with another plan to involve, lets say, talking with your county commissioners; the local newspapers; local county-wide radio stations; rotary clubs in the county; and see if you're more successful pushing your agenda.
Ah ha... bet I probably know the answer to that.... that would mean you will have to get off the computers, out of the house, and start doing some real hard work talking to people, face to face, to find out the answers to your questions... right? But that's not going to happen because you are too lazy for one thing and feel safer doing what you are doing hiding behind your trusty computer... right? It looks like you're going to have to take that road to Elk Konnected,LLC because that EK,LLC road ain't coming to you. Hope you've figured that out by now. Also, I think you owe Sodbuster an apology.
WARPH, YOU ARE THE MAN, THANKS , I think you have more fans and more respect than anyone on the Forum, KEEP ON KEEPING on.
Myrna
Looks like Republiicanism is returning to its usual self here. There's no such thing as a conservative Republican.
That's being proven on a daily basis all over the country.
I've never met Patriot or Ross. Whatever you all are doing, you don't owe me a detail report on your activities
and certainly not on this forum.
So Patriot and Ross, you're doing good. You boys stay right in there and stay on 'em.
Why is it that those who do not even live in Elk County seem to know what's best for all of us that do ?? It never fails.
Quote from: Warph on September 18, 2011, 01:06:34 AM
Patriot.. the way I see it, you are acting like a first class dumbo. Come on, admit it... you wouldn't know "smart" if it hit you in the fanny... and that post was to Ross, not his second-rate lackey. Now if this seems to piss you off, so be it. I do believe you two are like a couple of parrots sitting on the shoulders of the forum. You both seem to be parroting the same thing over and over and over without coming up with answers to your parroting questions. You two don't really seem to know what to do next, do you. Come on now, admit it. It is getting very sadder by the minute, don't you think? You two remind me of the current administration in Washington.... you've have been down your rabbit-hole for so long hoping to find some wizard with the answers and bring you back to the sunny fields of Kansas. Well, I hate to break it to you guys, there is no wizard here on the forum. So it looks like you two better head back to your perches and see if you can come up with another plan to involve, lets say, talking with your county commissioners; the local newspapers; local county-wide radio stations; rotary clubs in the county; and see if you're more successful pushing your agenda.
Ah ha... bet I probably know the answer to that.... that would mean you will have to get off the computers, out of the house, and start doing some real hard work talking to people, face to face, to find out the answers to your questions... right? But that's not going to happen because you are too lazy for one thing and feel safer doing what you are doing hiding behind your trusty computer... right? It looks like you're going to have to take that road to Elk Konnected,LLC because that EK,LLC road ain't coming to you. Hope you've figured that out by now. Also, I think you owe Sodbuster an apology.
They say ignorance is bliss, and I say you are full of it Warph.
For starters:
Don't you know if you want to address a specific person you should address that person by name or quote something they have said?????
And don't you understand anyone can respond to any response on this forum because it is completely open?????
Two County Commissioners indicate they are Konnected and the Local newspaper has said he is affiliated with Elk Konnected, haven't you read this thread????? There no county-wide radio stations, and the Rotary Clubshave nothing to do with this conversation. It is totally aimed at Elk Konnected our county savior who claims they want conversation but refuses to communicate. So can you now understand why your suggestions are worthless??????
And sorry but you are wrong no one owes that California sod buster an apology because his post are worse than yours.
Are you an Elk Konnected, LLC follower, It sounds like it?????
Like all followers you are kept in the dark and don't know anything about Elk Konnected, LLC, right?????
If you don't like this thread wy do you insist on coming back and making ignorant remarks?????
Have you noticed by chance how many other people are reading this thread and observing your ignorant remarks??????
This thread has been Read 32325 times that is about an average of 202 times a day.
See how many people you are talking ignorant to??????
See how many people are getting the message that Elk Konnected, LLC doesnot want to communicate with?????
And Liz admitted in the County Commissioners meeting that she knew of this thread in a round about way.
Is it that Elk Konnected can not have an open public conversation without the control factor from Leoti, Kansas, i believe who is her employeer????? Do you have an answer to that?????
Please no ignorant response, please try an intellectual answer.
But really Elk Konnected
followers how about some answers to some really hot questions?
I ask you because Elk Konnected won't give any response to the citizens of Elk County, D\do you suppose they are shy??????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Quote from: Warph on September 12, 2011, 12:35:31 AM
Now I haven't been following this thread and I'm not too crazy about going through all of the past posts to find out the following will someone please explain to me why they think Elk Konnected LLC is so bad for Elk County?
Just curious.
Quote from: jarhead on September 18, 2011, 08:24:44 AM
Why is it that those who do not even live in Elk County seem to know what's best for all of us that do ?? It never fails.
Jarhead, I believe you are right. Especially people who have admitted to not following this thread and then over 200 pages later, decided to
wow us with their wisdom on matters that they know nothing about. Warph is right about one thing, "remind me of the current administration in Washington," just not about who to apply it to. The current administration in Washington thinks the American people are a bunch of morons, just as these people that don't live in Elk County and have no clue what is going on in our daily lives here, think we are a bunch of morons, or at least first class dumbos. ---Jennifer
Wow! I guess Warph told me off, didn't he? Of course the lack of responses he mentioned say volumes, don't they?
But still, why would Elk Konnected have over $31,000 from a single private source and STILL be soliciting funds from county and city governments? Where does the money go and why would they need to use the services of a county employee to sit at their activities and do their bidding? Maybe Commissioner Ritz was right... maybe Elk Konnected should be paying Ms Brummel instead of the taxpayers in Elk County. There is, after all, a line between public and private... or there's supposed to be.
All you non-posting citizens stay connected.
Quote from: Warph on September 12, 2011, 12:35:31 AM
Now I haven't been following this thread and I'm not too crazy about going through all of the past posts to find out the following:
in simple terms, like 25 words or less, will someone please explain to me why they think Elk Konnected LLC is so bad for Elk County? The Wellness Center sounds pretty good to me.
Just curious. ???
The Wellness Center no longer exists. Show me anything Elk Konnected has done besides handout lollipops at the expense of taxpayers, please?????
Try reading the first 20 pages and the last 20 pages and that should give you a good idea what this thread is about. Or maybe even try reading for yourself reading all the way through then you would really be up to date.
There is no 25 words or less.
You and I would both be wasting our time because you would not be able to form your own personal opinion .
Warph, seems like you are "it" now since you posted. Patriot, Ross, Jennifer have all posted one right after the other. The post from their 2 other posters\supporters should follow soon. From what I hear the county commissioner's meeting from last Monday was not well attended by them, their supporters; or anyone else with their own concerns for other topics.
For all those that support Warph\ Slappy for President 2012. I hear the "Slappy Girls" will be passing out buttons and bumper stickers at the par 5, 13th hole , all day Monday at the Ruby Ridge Country Club, Suprise AZ. Sorry Warph and Slappy I will not be able to attend as I will be at the Folsom Street Fair wth Mistress Dania for a demonstational event on how to properly receive\deliver a proper whipping. :laugh:
David
p.s. Ross as far as the total views on the thread being so high that is my fault. I am trying to get it up to Catwoman's number so that new class of hers can have pencils and candy. Everytime I look at the thread I view it 10 times just to increase the views.
He is not "it" like we are little kids in grade school. He posted. We posted. This is a forum. That is what is done on a forum. Geez.---Jennifer
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 18, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
He is not "it" like we are little kids in grade school...
I'm thinking that is a very real and common perspective that may contribute much to the general state of affairs, Jennifer. Uninformed, childlike views that preclude a more adult analysis of events, circumstances, facts, observations... and questions.
Speaking of facts and federal Form 990 tax returns (direct from the IRS)... where do your donations go?
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Quote from: kshillbillys on September 18, 2011, 04:39:57 PM
He is not "it" like we are little kids in grade school. He posted. We posted. This is a forum. That is what is done on a forum. Geez.---Jennifer
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. While we are not kids that doesn't mean that it doesn't sound like we are kids. I think that many people on the forum would agree that the tone of the forum has a certain kids bickering tone to it lately.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 18, 2011, 05:56:30 PM
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck. While we are not kids that doesn't mean that it doesn't sound like we are kids. I think that many people on the forum would agree that the tone of the forum has a certain kids bickering tone to it lately.
David
Not from me though. I've been trying to be good. I've learned that my life doesn't change just because people want to treat me like crap so I don't lose any sleep over it and won't lose my head. I've decided that I won't be baited into the childish antics of a few to make them feel better about themselves. Now, enough of that and back to more important things....
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader
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And Liz admitted in the County Commissioners meeting that she knew of this thread in a round about way.
Taken out of Ross's post.
I do not believe for a minute that Liz knows about this thread in a round about way. I believe she knows about it because she reads it.
Just saying.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 16, 2011, 08:13:15 PM
I don't have the luxury of taking off to be at a meeting at 1 p.m. on a Monday afternoon. I have already exhausted all of my vacation time and sick leave for the year by taking care of my sick mother. So that doesn't work for me. If I could, I would but I can't. And I'm sure that is how it is with a lot of people. Jobs are hard to come by around here so people just don't have that kind of luxury.--JW
I am like Jennifer. I don't have the luxury to take off either. I don't get any benefits like sick leave or personal leave. If I don't work, I don't get paid. I have to rely on what other peoplel find out and then care to share on this forum. And like Jennifer said, jobs are hard to come by around here. I have to stay with the one I have.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 18, 2011, 06:48:15 PM
And Liz admitted in the County Commissioners meeting that she knew of this thread in a round about way.
Taken out of Ross's post.
I do not believe for a minute that Liz knows about this thread in a round about way. I believe she knows about it because she reads it.
Just saying.
I'm pretty durn sure you are right Janet.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 16, 2011, 07:25:53 PM
I only wish that I could attend the meetings to find out first hand what is going on in this county, but I have to work. If the commission meetings were held in the evening, such as school board meetings and city council meetings, I would bet that more people would attend them. But maybe that's what they don't want. Just my opinion---Jennifer Walker
Damn and i thought the southeast was good ole boy keep em out of the know network. Sheesh. AT least they still keep the county meetings and school board meetings in the evening when the people can attend! Its called ethics of which if they make it so that people can't attend then they have absolutely none whatsoever. Yall have lost your county to a group of thugs!
I an unrelated story, I had a very interesting, hour long, chat with a compliance attorney at the Internal Revenue Service the other day. They never once used the words moron, dumbo or foolishness.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 18, 2011, 03:59:49 PM
p.s. Ross as far as the total views on the thread being so high that is my fault. I am trying to get it up to Catwoman's number so that new class of hers can have pencils and candy. Everytime I look at the thread I view it 10 times just to increase the views.
You are just showing more of your ignorance are you really pushing for moron?????
Here are your stats:
Posts:
318 or an average of 1.112 per day in 10 months.
Since December 06, 2010, 06:59:24 pm
And very few post on this thread.
Piss poor in my opinion.
Not all Elk Konnected Followers do such a poor job.
Sorry if you disappoint yourself.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 18, 2011, 03:59:49 PM
Everytime I look at the thread I view it 10 times just to increase the views.
Wait a minute David I made a mistake. The above statement does qualify you as a moron. Sorry for the error.
Perhaps you can pretend to really know something and answer some questions????
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really hot questions?
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
David it is simply ignorace utilized to offset the lack of intellegence.
Meaning they know nothing of this thread and it's questions.
Or perhaps little "O" elk konnected has asked it children/followers to use stupid diversion tacts, don't you suppose???
Why do you suppose elk konnected is not having any more community conversations???????
Could it be because they have never had a community conversation????????
David you just keep proving what a California idiot and loser you are.
Will you ever stop proving it?
This is what elk konnected followers/volunteers think of the citizens of Elk County, it is just shameful
IMHO Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
But he didn't mention an names so we just have to ass/u/me a bunch of people gave a bunch of donations. Apparently people who are not proud of giving money to the orgnaization, right???
And I guess we have to ass/u/me he is refering to the Howard Chamber of Commerce, Right??? That's same Chamber of Commerce that had a suggestion of getting money from the PILOT money which the county hasn't even recieved yet, isn't it?
Didn't I tell you Hefe de vaca I have worked all my life for others and I am now retired working for myself. You need to get a lot more whiskers before giving advice to others. IMHO
Personal nurse---working for Apple---years of working at a hospital---record label executive---dating movie stars---dating beautiful Red Heads(possibly including Conan O'Brien and Carrot Top).
Bovine excrement ? I'll let you make the call.
That's not just a good one Jarhead that's a great one.
Just parts of the story, the link is at the bottom of this postso you can read it for your self.
Occupy Wall Street Protest, Day 3
Chants of "We got sold out, they got bailed out"
My position is why did any of the rich money grubbing bankers get big bonuses vs going to jail?????
Answer, they got money to keep theselves from being charged, I don't care how much money you have as long as it is not used to escape being charged, most likely buying their way out of the system. IMHO
"There's a broad range of grievances in the movement but a lot of anger and discontent," said Sandy, a 27-year-old getting a master's degree in International Affairs who declined to give her last name. She also pointed to "the lack of oversight, the fact that corporations have the same rights as people."
More than anything else, there was a sense that America's political system has been compromised by a symbiotic relationship between elected officials and the people who fund their campaigns.
"The primary root problem is the political process is owned," said a 52-year-old software designer who gave his name only as Steve B. "Why did the management of car companies have to step down but not the management of banks? Come on."
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/216203/20110919/occupy-wall-street-wall-street-protest-occupy-wall-st-september-17-occupy-wall-street-reddit.htm
Quote from: Ross on September 19, 2011, 11:48:51 AM
"The primary root problem is the political process is owned," said a 52-year-old software designer who gave his name only as Steve B. "Why did the management of car companies have to step down but not the management of banks? Come on."
Cronyism perhaps. That situation where elected officials dictate and use their influence to determine the haves and have nots... all the while giving themselves, their friends and family the best that government power & position can provide. And it's not just reserved for Washington, D.C. any more.
Quote from: jarhead on September 18, 2011, 09:54:35 PM
Personal nurse---working for Apple---years of working at a hospital---record label executive---dating movie stars---dating beautiful Red Heads(possibly including Conan O'Brien and Carrot Top).
Bovine excrement ? I'll let you make the call.
Personal Nurse. 100% true and paid for by my Insurance. Visits once per month to check on me and see if I need any adjustments to my medication. Here name is really Dania, sometimes her sister Daria. They are twins.
Work temp job as an accountant for Apple. The rest is a novelistic writing that fits Warph and my post. Didn't think anyone would really think that was true.
Record Lable Exec. I don't remember even telling that story. If I did it was completely novelistic and not based on any true story.
Years working at a hospital 100% true in all its boring glory.
I believe I said she was a model not a movie star. Also, I said we went on a few dates. No big deal to date a model or a movie star when you work for a luxury health club in LA that caters to that type of clientele.
Dating a beautiful redhead. 100% true. I would not call it dating after 13 years.
Plus, you left out the quote where I told you not to believe anything I say here on the forum. It matters not at all to me if you do or don't.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 19, 2011, 12:41:33 PM
Plus, you left out the quote where I told you not to believe anything I say here on the forum. It matters not at all to me if you do or don't.
Regardless of the veracity of your personal resume, your tales do tend to muck up what should be a serious discussion about matters that frankly have nothing to do with your life and times. But then again, you aren't the only one attempting to divert attention away from the issues at hand. As a matter of fact, the detractors seem to have been narrowed down to a handful of non-residents who, in all fairness, aren't affected by these things at all. Talk about folks who like to hear themselves talk (or write, as the case may be). The local people who have defended the EK cause seem to have become mute, though not likely deaf. That's been noticed by some folks on the streets as well.
Now, about a private company, who has, and continues to, internally influence local government, use government personnel/resources, and has taken taxpayer monies, all the while having received private monies amounting to tens of thousands of dollars.... why?
If I lived there and was threatened I'd shut up too! :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 19, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
If I lived there and was threatened I'd shut up too! :angel:
EK followers/supporters have been threatened? If the followers have been threatened, it would have to have been from within the Elk Konnected 'family'. And if that's the case, it would be a disgrace & say volumes! Not to mention elicit a whole bunch of new questions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 19, 2011, 01:10:33 PM
If I lived there and was threatened I'd shut up too! :angel:
Their threats have not shut me up. You know why??????
Bullies make threats and seldom follow up.
Do you know why?????
Because bullies use fear to make themselves look big when in fact they are very small people.
And I am not talking stature.
Further more it is my opinion when Elk Konnected wants every one Konnected but fails to connect and communicate with us that they have something to hide or fear.
Quote from: Warph on September 18, 2011, 01:06:34 AM
Patriot.. the way I see it, you are acting like a first class dumbo. Come on, admit it... you wouldn't know "smart" if it hit you in the fanny... and that post was to Ross, not his second-rate lackey. Now if this seems to piss you off, so be it. I do believe you two are like a couple of parrots sitting on the shoulders of the forum. You both seem to be parroting the same thing over and over and over without coming up with answers to your parroting questions. You two don't really seem to know what to do next, do you. Come on now, admit it. It is getting very sadder by the minute, don't you think? You two remind me of the current administration in Washington.... you've have been down your rabbit-hole for so long hoping to find some wizard with the answers and bring you back to the sunny fields of Kansas. Well, I hate to break it to you guys, there is no wizard here on the forum. So it looks like you two better head back to your perches and see if you can come up with another plan to involve, lets say, talking with your county commissioners; the local newspapers; local county-wide radio stations; rotary clubs in the county; and see if you're more successful pushing your agenda.
Ah ha... bet I probably know the answer to that.... that would mean you will have to get off the computers, out of the house, and start doing some real hard work talking to people, face to face, to find out the answers to your questions... right? But that's not going to happen because you are too lazy for one thing and feel safer doing what you are doing hiding behind your trusty computer... right? It looks like you're going to have to take that road to Elk Konnected,LLC because that EK,LLC road ain't coming to you. Hope you've figured that out by now. Also, I think you owe Sodbuster an apology.
Warph, you are so correct.
David...My classroom has been stocked, thanks to all this foolishness. It is amusing, how long this is continuing... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on September 19, 2011, 03:21:42 PM
Warph, you are so correct.
David...My classroom has been stocked, thanks to all this foolishness. It is amusing, how long this is continuing... ;D
What childish foolishness. Leave it to
Elk konnected followers.
Ignorance at it's best as I see it.
Please grow-up, please.Why Are Some Americans 'Allergic To Brains?' " There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
I am no EK follower, Ross. Your drivel is flowing the wrong direction, as usual. I merely am acquainted with some of the people who attempt to serve the needs of Elk County. Try again... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on September 19, 2011, 03:56:12 PM
I am no EK follower, Ross. Your drivel is flowing the wrong direction, as usual. I merely am acquainted with some of the people who attempt to serve the needs of Elk County. Try again... ;D
Then why are you wasting your time here with your ignorant childishness.
Are you trying to impress everyone in the county with childishness.
Apparently they have failed to serve the needs of Elk County and have accomplished absolutely nothing.
They have infiltrated the County Commissioners and the school boards and are getting nowhere for it.
You are a follower because you are Konnected with fellow followers.
Get it you are Konnected.
Quote from: Ross on September 19, 2011, 05:29:35 PM
Then why are you wasting your time here with your ignorant childishness.
Are you trying to impress everyone in the county with childishness.
Apparently they have failed to serve the needs of Elk County and have accomplished absolutely nothing.
The have infiltrated the County Commissioners and the school boards and are getting nowhere for it.
You are a follower because are Konnected with fellow followers.
Get it you are connected.
Ross, I think there are more people impressed with her than they are with your rude, childish constant posting of the same thing. You are doing more damage to this forum than anybody, you see ghost of EK behind every tree.
Quote from: Warph on September 18, 2011, 01:06:34 AM
Patriot.. the way I see it, you are acting like a first class dumbo. Come on, admit it... you wouldn't know "smart" if it hit you in the fanny... and that post was to Ross, not his second-rate lackey. .. Also, I think you owe Sodbuster an apology.
Warph, you got it backwards Patriot is the smart one, Ross is the ... ahhhh one that posts all the time. Patriot owes me no apology. Besides, the chance of Patriot apologizing to me has the same chance that either one of them will ever actually successfully follow through on this thread's topic outside of this forum. While I may disagree with Patriot on some things I do like reading his posts.
David
Damn !!! I wish my daughter didn't own this website.
Soooooooooo many things I would like to say !!!
;D
Quote from: Jo McDonald on September 19, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
Damn !!! I wish my daughter didn't own this website.
Soooooooooo many things I would like to say !!!
Ms. McDonald I never thought of you as one to not speak your mind. While your daughter does own this website we pay nothing to be here, so I don't see a problem like her losing any revenue. Besides, you and she should always be free to say anything you want just like the rest of us.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 01, 2011, 11:06:38 PM
EK has influence all across the country.
Quote from: Patriot on September 01, 2011, 11:19:28 PM
That, I seriously doubt.
Quote from: Patriot on September 19, 2011, 12:54:50 PM
... But then again, you aren't the only one attempting to divert attention away from the issues at hand. As a matter of fact, the detractors seem to have been narrowed down to a handful of non-residents ...
Which is it Patriot do they or don't they have influence all across the country.
David
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 19, 2011, 06:00:46 PM
Ross, I think there are more people impressed with her than they are with your rude, childish constant posting of the same thing. You are doing more damage to this forum than anybody, you see ghost of EK behind every tree.
I believe you may be right that people are really impressed with her childishness they may find it entertaining. Thanks for bringing that up.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 19, 2011, 03:21:42 PM
David...My classroom has been stocked, thanks to all this foolishness. It is amusing, how long this is continuing... ;D
I think she is supposed to be an educator, but as I have told her in the past she would never be my sons teacher. I would not permit it.
When is she going to learn thst she does not provide anything of substance to this thread????/
When is she going to learn that she is not required to come to this thread with her childish behavior?????
When are you going to learn the same applies to you.
Can you provide some real answers, even though you don't even qualify as a follower??????
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 19, 2011, 06:00:46 PM
You are doing more damage to this forum than anybody, you see ghost of EK behind every tree.
I do believe if the owner of this forum thought I was doing damage to her forum she would shut me down, don't you?
And that would be her call not yours, right????
So you are way out of line, right?????
I can understand kind of, sort of, a person from out of county trying anything to protect there kin from being asked to answer any questons, but no really I can't, perhaps you can try answering that, please?????
I do not see any Elk Konnected registered members, owners leaders on this forum trying to communicate with the citizens of Elk County. Do you????? I only see followers that have no idea what or who they are following. I would think those followers would like to know more about the organization that brags on itself and doesn't appear accomplishes anything, don't you????
It really is peculiar that with so many mean, non truthful things being put out there about EK, that they stay so quiet. They've been called out time and time again with proof several times that they are in it for personal gain and NOT for the good of any community. Are they investors or are they donors? Just tonight, I spoke with a couple that turned down being a part of EK when they were asked to "join" and had no sooner walked across the street when I talked to another individual that says they "quit" EK. I don't know if it would have anything to do with EK taking credit for an event here in town that they took absolutely NO part in, or not. And on that note, I looked at those tax returns that were posted and noticed that EK, Howard, Moline and Grenola all had money donated to them over the last few years, but Longton, being the red-headed bastard stepchild that we are, didn't receive a damn thing. Maybe I'm just digging but is it because we have our own school district with Montgomery and Chautauqua counties attending? EK didn't have one problem adding Severy (Greenwood County) as an EK community, but definitely didn't want to add any part of the two other counties that are affiliated with the Elk Valley school district in ELK COUNTY. And don't forget that some students in this county attend school in Burden (Cowley) and Fredonia (Wilson). It does seem to be awful strange that it is ALL ABOUT HOWARD and to quote a county commissioner, "Fuck the public. They get what we give them." Rude and crude? You're damn right. But remember that was a quote. I just repeated it. ----MR. KSH
Quote from: sodbuster on September 19, 2011, 07:52:09 PM
Which is it Patriot do they or don't they have influence all across the country.
Having 'influence nationally' is some different than what I see here. If you are seriously 'influenced' by Elk Konnected, then I would have to consider you quite gullible... and way too easily influenced. I wouldn't consider that any indication of the 'power to influence' on some national scale, because, in the final analysis, you and your fellow foreign cheerleaders' input has made little, if any, change in public opinion that reflects positively on the core issues brought out in this thread in re Elk Konnected. If anything the reaction to your inputs has been quite detrimental to EK.
By the way, if you think Ross and I won't venture off this forum with our case & questions, you're sorely mistaken and quite out of touch with much of what's happening here in the middle of nowhere. But thanks for playing.
Speaking of playing...did you read those tax returns and consider the associated questions? Any post-analysis constructive input?
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 19, 2011, 08:06:52 PM
...to quote a county commissioner, "Fuck the public. They get what we give them." Rude and crude? You're damn right. But remember that was a quote. I just repeated it. ----MR. KSH
Now there's an attitude & quote right out of a dictator's playbook.
20 people viewing this thread at this moment... no interest? Uh, ok.
There are still 20 people reading this thread at this moment, reassuring isn't it
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 19, 2011, 06:00:46 PM
Ross, I think there are more people impressed with her than they are with your rude, childish constant posting of the same thing.
The owner apparently doesn't object to the posting of the same thing constantly.
But don't you understand the idea of advertising, it usually repition.
I am simply advertising to Elk Konnected to communicate and answer a few questions.
It is not aimed at a
non Elk Konnected leader, member.
It's not aimed at
followers such as you, that have no idea what or who they are following, do you understand that??????
So once again you are not the owner of this forum and are over stepping the boundaris, Right?????
Here is the requests again in advertisement form, which you may ignore if you so desire.
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions? Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification. " There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and
lollipops as good deeds and
to believe everything someone says to us ??
Describing a socialistic story as "wonderful" isn't good.
The mindset to promote federal grants and state grants ought not to
be acceptable in this country. Grants are contrary to the Constitution
and grants take our liberty.
EK is all about socialism. It's not surprising to see Republicans supporting
the EK organization. They'll find some kind of "goodness" that they claim
to be "worthy" of government support and to heck with American liberty.
In this case, some of it is "for" the "kids".
How do you prefer to support the "kids"? With Marxism or Americanism?
Quote from: sodbuster on September 19, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
This is a totally fictitious story on my part. Any similarity to actual events or people are not to be construed as fact.
Home Town Lament
Elk County has long been shedding its native born and founding population. Early in its history it had close to 10,000 people. As of the 2010 Census it was 2882. Those people that left spread all across the country. Many of them were successful due to the lessons, morals, and belief that hard work and education were the key to the American dream. A good lesson learned not only in Elk County but by many people of rural America. As they grew successful they wanted to help and repay their declining hometowns . They saw them headed towards a decline that they had seen in some of the many states and big cities they had moved to to make their success.
The continuation of fiction, where is your success?????I sure am glad you said this is fictitious because those people that left came back to prove it is fictitious. Mainly Out of state people.
Because the founders died a long time ago. And the only truly native born would be native Indians.
However the alleged native born citizens that left apparently did not learn anything before leaving and failing to comprehend what this thread is about is proof. And by coming back with their foolishness and childishness to prove it via the internet. Quote from: sodbuster on September 19, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
Over a period of years those that had left; met online, at fairs, at family reunions and a visits to their hometown. The conversation often turned to how things were better in the 70's, 60's, 50's, 40's, and so on depending on the age of the people having the conversation. While they all had established lives far away , and probably would never return, they were concerned that their beloved towns would become ghost towns. What could they do to stop that from happening.
They could start an organization that while funded by those from abroad would be run by current residents willing to volunteer and provide the current knowledge of the towns they all loved and hoped to return to prosperity. Funding would be provided by donations, federal grants, state grants, and a myriad of other activities.
Still fiction because no one who is in the financial world we are in can do no more then hand out lollipops that have nothing to do with improving the economics for the poorest county (so I have been told) in Kansas. Especially when they create animosity between communities. And when a foreigner to the county makes up ridiculous story's and can not mention one single SUCCESSFUL activity performed by any such organization. And the fact that the so called volunteers actually called followers have no idea they are simply being used to make the organization look good and it is failing because they have no idea who they are following. And the followers that are far away can not volunteer and also have no idea who they are supporting and they have not returned with any reality.You may ask where some of the animosity is, here is an example:Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
Quote from: Ross on June 03, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Wow! There is a lot of bad attitude in all of this. And as pillars of the community as someone called them Elk Konnected in MHO takes the cake. They openly said because of one little community in this county refusing to use county wide refuse they had to do something.
At the county commissioners Liz Hendricks said they didn't mean to be bashing Elk Falls, and I told her they did just the same. And I believe the remark is still out there for all the world to read. Elk konnected claims to want to promote pride in need the county but lacks the pride to be decent. The only thing I see them promoting is themselves with a slogan like "Watch Us Grow", not something like watch "Watch Elk County Grow" It is self centered. And I believe centered in Howard. And I believe that's why the won't divulge who they are.
As I have said many times all these little communities are exceptional and I enjoy visiting them and their festivities and parades.
These little communities are each unique and that is what makes Elk County special.
It is not a unified government that would improve anything in this county or help, except to benefit The community of Howard and to perhaps to help Elk Konnected to acquire more control of the county, don't you suppose??????
Quote from: sodbuster on September 19, 2011, 10:10:24 PM
David Alexander
Fictional Story Copyright September 19, 2011
Transmitted by electronic digital post across state lines 9:10 pm Pacific time.
Posted from some silly Californian not a Kansan.And he was to dumb to realize there would be a truthful response to his post. How ignorant.This post is done by a born and raised Kansan who lives here.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 20, 2011, 06:59:06 AM
Describing a socialistic story as "wonderful" isn't good.
The mindset to promote federal grants and state grants ought not to
be acceptable in this country. Grants are contrary to the Constitution
and grants take our liberty.
EK is all about socialism. It's not surprising to see Republicans supporting
the EK organization. They'll find some kind of "goodness" that they claim
to be "worthy" of government support and to heck with American liberty.
In this case, some of it is "for" the "kids".
How do you prefer to support the "kids"? With Marxism or Americanism?
Good point Red.
Marxist/Socialists would destroy their capitalist host and move into its carcass and declare the gloriousness of what socialism built, they are that stupid. The problem with that IMHO is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer by sharing with everyone else including the ones that don't want to hold down a job.
Quote from: Ross on September 20, 2011, 07:12:15 AM
The problem with that IMHO is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer by sharing..
If donation by force (taxation, govt imposed fees, etc.) is 'sharing', I'll eat your hat. You left out one group... the middle class... they get to join the ranks of the poor as their opportunities for advancement dwindle and their resources evaporate due to their 'sharing'. Anyone who wants to see what it looks like in practice need only study life in the former Soviet Union. Unholy alliances between the 'haves' and government officials bent on 'saving folks' never makes for a story with a wonderful ending.
Amen! Good point.
Interesting...I'm noticing that there seems to be some creative deleting occurring here...How un-American.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 20, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
Interesting...I'm noticing that there seems to be some creative deleting occurring here...How un-American.
What the heck are you talking about? Only you can delete your post.
So are you saying you are being creative?????
That would be difficult to believe????
If you are deleting that I guess would be very un-American of you.
Sort of like the censorship of like the censorship of the protest of Wall Street, by the police not lettiing the news media in, don't ya think?????
Once again, Ross...You have no idea what it is you're talking about.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 20, 2011, 03:00:25 PM
Once again, Ross...You have no idea what it is you're talking about.
What are you talking about???
I was simply asking some simple questions???
Here is some very interesting reading?
Quote from: Patriot on September 18, 2011, 05:06:16 PM
Speaking of facts and federal Form 990 tax returns (direct from the IRS)... where do your donations go?
NCCS Profile of ECCEF: http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/481251353?popup=1#forms (http://nccsdataweb.urban.org/orgs/profile/481251353?popup=1#forms)
Where is all that money going?
Is it being used by Elk Konnected for the betterment of Elk County??????
If so, HOW??????
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a bet
ter place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
Quote from: Catwoman on September 20, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
Interesting...I'm noticing that there seems to be some creative deleting occurring here...How un-American.
Looks like a Sodbuster post and a Catwoman post are missing. Both were prior to my post of 07:59:06 this morning.
Don't think I saw the posts in question, but if they represented the usual personal insults/attacks on others, then good riddance, what ever the cause. I, for one prefer intellectually honest discussion/debate on the issues at hand. And someone's assessment that I am a pachyderm or a low rate inappropriately influenced assistant to someone else hardly qualifies as discussion or debate.
Now, about EK's use of tax dollars & taxpayers monies to pay wages to one of their steering group as part of a unilaterally imposed county job description while receiving thousands of dollars of private money... thinly disguised abuse or what? Any reasonable explanations?
Quote from: Patriot on September 20, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
Don't think I saw the posts in question, but if they represented the usual personal insults/attacks on others, then good riddance, what ever the cause. I, for one prefer intellectually honest discussion/debate on the issues at hand. And someone's assessment that I am a pachyderm or a low rate inappropriately influenced assistant to someone else hardly qualifies as discussion or debate.
Now, about EK's use of tax dollars & taxpayers monies to pay wages to one of their steering group as part of a unilaterally imposed county job description while receiving thousands of dollars of private money... thinly disguised abuse or what? Any reasonable explanations?
Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned.
You might check "miscellaneous" for the "missing" posts. I sure don't know but maybe "someone" thought instead of being posted where it was it would be more appropriate there---and that's a pure dee assumption on my part.
Now for "someone" for implying that" someone" is Un-American maybe an apology is is in order.
Jarhead, don't hold your breath for an apology. Just keep holding your breath for the stench from the crap they keep spewing. ---Robert
P.S. That's kind of what we thought too. Sodbuster's post really had nothing to do with the subject at hand since it was just a "fictitious" story, so maybe that's why it's gone.
Thank you, Jar...You were correct...They were moved. I do apologize for the former post...It was not only beneath me but also beneath the person to whom it was directed...A person that I had always considered to be a friend. I guess that's why seeing the absence of the other posts was so upsetting to me...I have always valued that friendship. Again, my sincere apologies are extended...And I hope that they will be accepted.
Cat
Jarhead--I apologize for Catwoman's apologizing about calling the administrators un-American because their posts were moved to the miscellaneous section. I am in fact quite relieved that Catwoman showed some sign of common decency in removing her own post of the administrators being un-American. My sincerest apologies on being misleading to you that they would never see an apology.---MR. KSH
P.S. But please hold your breath again because I assure you that catbox ain't been cleaned for awhile cuz I can smell it way down here.
As far as your nose is held in the air, I'm surprised you can smell anything, Hillbilly... ;D
Quote from: Patriot on September 20, 2011, 06:52:27 PM
Now, about EK's use of tax dollars & taxpayers monies to pay wages to one of their steering group as part of a unilaterally imposed county job description while receiving thousands of dollars of private money... thinly disguised abuse or what? Any reasonable explanations?
It's not disguised at all but it is abuse. I just don't think they ever thought they would get caught, IMHO, since there has been several years of "hands being put in the cookie jar". If she is doing EK's work on County time, then it is definitely abuse and EK should damned sure be paying her for it. One way to get around that would be to cut her hours as the County Economic Development director since there must not be enough work to keep her busy and then she could do EK's business at home on her own time while EK pays her for it. ---Jennifer
You mean to tell me that a county employee, paid for with county tax dollars, on county time, is updating a facebook page for EK? Taxpayers are once again paying for the glorious deeds that EK claims they do. It does sound like they weren't planning to get "found out" but it's just another example in the long, accumulating list of questionable dealings that one, possibly two, county commissioners feel they are entitled to. Something stinks here. I think it's the Public Square's sandbox but people within that square can't smell the stench because their heads are buried in that sand. ---MR. KSH
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 20, 2011, 09:38:41 PM
You mean to tell me that a county employee, paid for with county tax dollars, on county time, is updating a facebook page for EK? Taxpayers are once again paying for the glorious deeds that EK claims they do. It does sound like they weren't planning to get "found out" but it's just another example in the long, accumulating list of questionable dealings that one, possibly two, county commissioners feel they are entitled to. Something stinks here. I think it's the Public Square's sandbox but people within that square can't smell the stench because their heads are buried in that sand. ---MR. KSH
Of course, from what I've read here, facts are non-facts. So who knows what the truth is. Maybe The Shadow knows. LOL
This
IMHO kind of explains what I have been asking what has Elk Konnected done for Elk County as far as Econoomic Development or what can the do as far as econimics to improve the growth of Elk County and perhaps why they wont answer the questions.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Stocks were headed for a slight dip at the open Wednesday as investors await word from the Federal Reserve about whether it will act to spur the sluggish U.S. economy.
Dow Jones industrial average (INDU), S&P 500 (SPX) and Nasdaq (COMP) futures were slightly lower ahead of the opening bell. Stock futures indicate the possible direction of the markets when they open at 9:30 a.m. ET.
The Federal Reserve concludes its two-day policy meeting Wednesday afternoon, and investors are hoping the central bank will announce new action to spur the economy -- a move being dubbed
"Operation Twist".The Federal Reserve concludes its two-day policy meeting Wednesday afternoon, and investors are hoping the central bank will announce new action to spur the economy -- a move being dubbed "Operation Twist".
In addition to the Fed, investors will continue to monitor the developing situation in debt-stricken Greece.
The whole story is at
http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/21/markets/premarkets/index.htm?section=money_mostpopular&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_mostpopular+%28Most+Popular%29
Now I am wondering if that
"Operation Twist".is a new word for Stimulus Package or Quantative Easing
or just another way of saying screwing things up??????
But you see the Feds have the ability to print all the money it wants to print to throw at the Economics problem
which Elk Konnected does not have the ability to do. So do you suppose that is perhaps why they won't respond to any of our questions??????[/b]
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intelligence and authority?
INMO This is what takes place at Elk Konnected Community Meetings, plain and simple censorship. If you really want to have a conversation about Elk Konnected,LLC while it is being facillitated by Public Squares Communities,LLC the sheriff is called.
How great that is.
Internet shut off at Wall Street protest, part of the agenda?
Yahoo admits to censoring e-mails regarding the Wall Street Protests. Corporate America already feels their bottom line is threatened and will bend to public pressure when their shareholders no longer profit from corruption and human-rights violations. It's happening all over the world making lives better for the other 99%. We are the change.
Read more: http://wearechangetv.us/2011/09/internet-shut-off-at-wall-street-protest/#ixzz1YbUaiFvO
And Elk Konnected followers have made it very clear through their postings to this thread they want this thread to die. They have made it very clear through their postings they want me and others to go away. Guess what we are not going away untill we get communications with Elk Konnected and some answers. Elk Konnected we know you are reading so what is stopping you from communicating with us????
Stand by.... there's a new 'community conversation' coming.....
Wow, would you look at that, no bad mouthing from the Elk Konnected followers, wow?
I've been wondering why because it is so unusual, haven't you been wondering why???
Well, I got my newspaper today and what I read was an article from Elk Konnected.
The article makes me think Elk Konnected has order the followers to be quiet, what do you think???
Elk Konnected has invited everyone to another Community Conversation to feed us the information they want to feed us???
But, I am wondering if it will be a true Community Conversation or like all the previous circuses they have put on, Don't you wonder, too???
You know the circle of chairs, the name tags and the kindergarten type colored stars, the controller oops, the facilitator from Wichita County??? I wonder just why it is Elk Konnected, LLC needs a facilitator from another county to run our county and control Elk County citizens?????? What's with that???
A follower even knocked our fellow citizens as stupid about running business, here is the reminder:
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
I doubt anything will be said about this posting because I think orders have been given in my opinion. I'm anxious to find out.
Oh, back to the newspaper article I can't quote all of it here so I won't quote at all, so please read it if you can. The meeting will be October 5th at 7pm at the Grenola Community Building.
I definitly plan to attend, Lord willing. .
Elk Konnected, LLC a private company encourages the public to join in a positive conversation about how Elk Konnected,LLC the privately owned company was formed and who is involved. No, they don't refer to themselves as a privately owned company, but that is exactly what an LLC is, a Limited Liability Company. Wiil they address that fact??? I guess I will have to wait and see???
Will they really tell us who owns the company and who the investors or members of the company are??? The suspense builds???
Will they tell us who the volunteers and followers are????? Again I am anxious to hear.
I doubt that I wll talk with them because I would expect them to call in the sheriff to escort me out as they did at the last meeting. Will the Sheriff's department? By the way, why is the sheriff at the meeting of a privately owned company????? The sheriff's don't attend other company's meetings do they? They don't attend church meeting's do they? The sheriffs department doesn't attend the other organizational meetings in the county do they? Will they be there and have they been there because the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected order's them to be there because she is a County Commissioner?????
I can hardly wait for the meeting.
But really Elk Konnected in the mean time how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
Ross, you make a very good point on the Sheriff's Department participating in other meetings. I have yet to see them show up at any FFA, 4H, Boy Scouts, Masonic Lodge, Lions Club, school board meetings or even city council meetings. But most likely these people haven't got much to hide. They haven't formed an LLC to protect their own personal assets from being taken from them by being sued; that maybe they're not in it for their own personal gain to indoctrinate with a Delphi technique and pull the wool over Farmer Joe and his minimum wage/hour job that supports a community square organization. Kind of what I've heard related to the President, you have to have had a job to be able to create jobs; fits in with this organization and their hopey changey ideas. And not to rely on daddy and mommy's money to keep your failing business afloat and keep you out of bankruptcy. Let's set at a round table with people you don't even know, passing out your ideas to people you don't even know, thinking that you're a part of the "winds of change", when it's actually the person that's not from the community that you've never seen in your life except for maybe at another community conversation, telling you which ideas are the best. Look to the person to the left of you or the right and ask them which one of these answers are yours. You may be surprised to learn none of them were. They came in with their own ideas, their own agenda but want to make you think it was all your idea. I call bullshit.----Mr. Robert L. Walker
Wow! Mr. Walker you have said a mouth full.
And pretty much of what this thread is about.
In my opinion Elk Konnected, LLC is probably having this so Called Community CONVERSATION tp put out some more of the stuff that was printed in the news, which was IMHO non-information. No names, no numbers, nothing. Like I said IMHO.
Will they fess up and apologize for their wrong doings, which would the proper thing to do, at this so called Community CONVERSATION???? Perhaps they will prove me wrong, I hope so. I am anxious to find out, aren't you ?????
I doubt it, don't you ????? I Betting they are too proud to do the right thing, don't you ?????
If I would have hijacked the County Governments web site or the County Governments emergency call system, the sheriff would definitely have been called. But Elk Konnected, LLC did it and nothing happens, why? Where's the justice?????
That's what part of what that Wall Street Protests is all about the have's and the have not's. The wealthy cheating and doing what ever they want and justice being blind. Just ask yourself how many of those rich wall streeters and bankers that caused our financial problems have gone to jail ?????
None, they got outrageous bonuses instead.
Do you suppose that falls under the good old boys or the so called old guard programs ??????What do you Elk Konnected, LLC followers think of that? Is it right ?????
I plan on attending The so called Elk Konnected, LLC conversation even though I don't expect it to be much of a Community CONVERSATION. Which is fine with me. This thread is where I would like a real conversation. One in writing so that more people in Elk County can participate even if it is only as observers. After all this thread has had over 33,900 hits and Elk Konnected has said in the past they would use every available source to reach the people. The even have a web page and a Facebook, but those don't provide a conduit for conversation now do they????? Oh did I mention this is
"CALLED" the "ELK COUNTY FORUM'. It is an Elk County business which translated to Elk County ECONOMIC's so why don't you support this forum??????
Elk Konnected,LLC supports a business on the internet in Wichita County, why not an Elk County internet business??????
I would almost bet if I was a gambling man that their web site, and their pages on Public Squares Communities web site, and their Facebook all combined have received less than 1/4 the number of hits that this thread alone has had. What do you think Mr. Walker if they really wanted to reach out to all the citizens for a real conversation they could reach a lot of the shut ins, and the citizens that live in the outlying areas of the county????? This would also provide the flexibility to the citizens to respond and view as their schedule allows and at their own convience, wouldn't that be nice. Also people that work swing shift that can't make it to the so called Community CONVERSATIONS could come here to catch up on what is happening with Elk Konnected, LLC. Look at all the advantages this thread and this forum has to offers to Elk Konnected, LLC.
But, perhaps their not interested in a real conversation, and perhaps they don't really want to reach as many Elk County citizens as possible ??????
Perhaps they haven't studied on the subject, like they didn't study on running a Wellness Center which ended up a failure ????? I It just leads to a lot of questions that come to mind, you know what I mean ?????
So as an aid to Elk Konnected, I and others will, as a favor, try to keep this thread alive for
Elk Konnected, LLC to COMMUNICATE with more citizens. Come on Elk Konnected, LLC connect with those that may not be able to attend your private companies meetings called Community CONVERSATIONS. You might just get some surprisingly great idea's and suggestions and constructive criticism.
But honest and openess is a requirement for positive results, don't you think ?????
Or do you have a problem with transparency ??????
HAPPY FIRST DAY OF FALL, EVERYONE.
Quote from: Ross on September 23, 2011, 05:27:46 AM
Elk Konnected,LLC supports a business on the internet in Wichita County, why not an Elk County internet business??????
HAPPY FIRST DAY OF FALL, EVERYONE.
I Know of one such internet business setup right in Elk County. They do web page, hosting, Design, all kinds of things. Even blogs, email service.
Steve I was refering to this forum.
Quote from: Ross on September 23, 2011, 05:27:46 AM
Oh did I mention this is "CALLED" the "ELK COUNTY FORUM'. It is an Elk County business which translated to Elk County ECONOMIC's so why don't you support this forum??????
Elk Konnected,LLC supports a business on the internet in Wichita County, why not an Elk County internet business??????
Ross...I appreciate the kind words and support..but in all honesty.. the Elk County Website and its forum section isn't a business.. We set it up back in 2004 simply to offer the community an internet meeting place to post information, to use it for free advertising and to share and discuss local and other topics without cost to the users and the community.
This service and all maintenance and upkeep is financed solely by us. From day one we have never looked at this as a business opportunity.. Marshal / Kjell built this as a thank you and a give back to this county. Because upon moving here, he found the people and area friendly and it felt like home to him. And he had the professional knowledge to do it, so he did.
Also, we are fortunate enough to make our financial living elsewhere and still get to live here. There is no revenue collected from this website, so therefore we don't look at it nor do we claim it as a business.
The cost and maintenance is the same no matter the amount of members. It's voluntary and totally up to the users if they want to participate and utilize this website. :)
Quote from: Teresa on September 23, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
It's voluntary and totally up to the users if they want to participate and utilize this website. :)
I didn't know it was voluntary. Ms. T, you told me I had to use it or you would fly a broom up my...well, you know what you said. Voluntary to use? That's good to know. ROFLMAO ;D ;D ;D :police: :angel:
((( thinking))).... I REALLY must branch out more and try to get new friends.. LOL
Quote from: Teresa on September 23, 2011, 09:22:45 PM
This service and all maintenance and upkeep is financed solely by us. From day one we have never looked at this as a business opportunity.. Marshal / Kjell built this as a thank you and a give back to this county. Because upon moving here, he found the people and area friendly and it felt like home to him. And he had the professional knowledge to do it, so he did.
Also, we are fortunate enough to make our financial living elsewhere and still get to live here. There is no revenue collected from this website, so therefore we don't look at it nor do we claim it as a business.
The cost and maintenance is the same no matter the amount of members. It's voluntary and totally up to the users if they want to participate and utilize this website. :)
I am not easily impressed and this impress me tremendously. You should be named business of the year for Elk County.
Even though you don't run it as a business to make money, I know it's a lot of work and I appreciate everything you do.
Especially tollerating me posting on the wrong threads and such. Thank You.
Now to everyone else, IMHO this is truely a service of give back to the community.
I have my own way not nearly as glamorous, and I am sure all the rest of you do too.
I am on my way to a lady's house today to do some digging for new latterals which she cannot afford to pay to have done.
I can only work on an individual basis and due to many my problems I have to deal with on my own schedule.
If I was an organization wanting to help I would use my money for helping the less fortunate with food and clothing for the children. And there are plenty of people like that here in Elk County. But, I am only able to help with a few eggs and some meat when I have a cow butchered.
I just don't believe you can build up the county economically while ignoring a serious problem or without listening to the negative things in hopey changey positive attitude? But one could help individuals in need in their own communities. Mow a lawn, shovel snow on a side walk little things. Copying what other communities have already been doing is good to but to act like it's your idea is totally wrong.
Thanks Teresa and Kjell.
Thanks to the forum management... and think, all this without one dime of taxpayer money or one ounce of paid government employee time or government influence. Just a handful of honest folk with a few ideas who are trying to give back a little and not seek personal gain.
Great job!
Now, about all that grant & taxpayer money (10's of thousands of dollars) and taxpayer resources (dozens of hours of paid employee tine) that Elk Konnected has received and/or used since 2007... where's the beef? Are you & your communities much better off now than 5 years ago? If not, maybe it is Bush's fault. ???
I haven't seen where anyone has commented about the latest member on the forum, Elk Konnected. How nice of them to join us. But, what I find funny is that when you click on the link for Elk Konnected and you look at the information, the email address for the group is hidden. Supposed to be an organization to help Elk County, but we hide our email? Go figure.
Wow that's amazing after all these months of monitering this thread Elk Konnected, LLC finally logs onboard.
Welcome aboard Elk Konnected, LLC?
First question since you have signed on, has to be can you verify you are truthfully Elk Konnected, LLC?????
If this is someone that is not an associate of Elk Konnected, LLC I don't thik we will see a decent response, do you?????And if you are would you please answer the following questions please:
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Is it that you have no faith in our county government and our paid employee to do her job as Econonic Development and Youth Services Director????If you do have faith in her abilities then why do you think it is necessary for you to interfere with her duties??????
Just what can you do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members, who owns, and runs, or who are the investors in Elk Konnected, LLC?
Who is their Leader?
Honest answers would be appreciated??????
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 24, 2011, 07:48:44 PM
I haven't seen where anyone has commented about the latest member on the forum, Elk Konnected. How nice of them to join us. But, what I find funny is that when you click on the link for Elk Konnected and you look at the information, the email address for the group is hidden. Supposed to be an organization to help Elk County, but we hide our email? Go figure.
You will notice that the ability to send a private message via this forum is also disabled. Ah, the games people play.
Does anyone find it curious that Elk Konnected (if this is really EK) previously found this forum somehow unsuitable as a communications platform and now may be returning? To what end and for what purpose? No email, no forum PMs... more one way communication? They tell, everybody else listens? Right from the Obama, Alinsky Community Organization top down communication handbook.
Now, how about this blast from the past...Quote from: Arc fault on July 24, 2008, 09:01:04 PM
PEP RULZ TOURSIM
Welcome to Howard
What would a sign on the highway bring to Howard? I'm not talking about a wood and steel sign but a fancy glow in the dark tv screen on steroids that you can read from half way to Severy and Moline.
You could locate it up by 400 to bring people down the new and improved super slab.
Or this one...
Quote from: Arc fault on July 30, 2008, 08:33:33 PM
Should we give lots of money to the Flinthills Assembly of God church to get the new building on its way so we can serve the fire water? Fire water is not just for firemen anymore. Firewater makes money more fluid. Come here's need fluid so their funding doesn't dry up.
What about an RV park and ride....Park your RV and we will give you a trailride of Elk County.
Have you ever seen limestone arch bridge? Ariesian well? and a 200 megawatt wind farm on the same trail?
Cave Springs any memories?
Then there's this...Quote from: Arc fault on July 30, 2008, 07:38:50 PM
If you want I could expand the hours of the Soda Fountain to provide you a place to internet cafe. I would only need someone to run it and .....that would be all.... Need Sunday groceries? How about we all think about why we shop on Sunday. We don't work on that day.
Mainstreet of Howard is a ghost town every Sunday after the last church dinner. If we could cater to the out of towners to bring them here, the weekends would be the days they would be available. Even I got burnt out of working 7 days a week after about 10 years of it. You would have to manage your labor and hours of service to match your patrons.
I know I was raised on a ranch where there is always something to do but the majority of the human race is lazy on the nonwork days. Let's build something they will enjoy and suck them into our world on their days off.
High stress jobs mean high pay check... They could come here to relax and spend some of their hard earned money. I don't think that grass fed beef is the way to go. We send cattle to the feedlot for a reason. Corn makes beef better. But I would love to somehow market Elk County Beef. I would like to know how to process it after it has left the county to be fed. Besides bringing it back in a Tyson box. I don't think we have enough grain sources for feeding here.
Wouldn't be great to serve a homegrown top sirloin with all the fixin's in a hometown palace fit for a king in a building built by locals, powered by the Elk county Kansas wind, and view a Howard,Kansas sunset?
All that and a private LLC with unknown owners who have received thousands of dollars of potentially non-reportable grants and gifts in recent years... from a foundation that has the same roots as the LLC.
And have you heard the news about the former Wellness Center in Howard?
Now, don't Tom Devlin and his lovely wife still own the old Howard bank building.... the one with the new roof?
And didn't the doctors used to hand out cheap lollipops to help distract the kids from the discomfort of the shots?
Paint your own pictures. Citizens, you can't make this stuff up. Stay connected.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 24, 2011, 07:48:44 PM
I haven't seen where anyone has commented about the latest member on the forum, Elk Konnected. How nice of them to join us. But, what I find funny is that when you click on the link for Elk Konnected and you look at the information, the email address for the group is hidden. Supposed to be an organization to help Elk County, but we hide our email? Go figure.
Thanks for mentioning the newbie, I hadn't looked up there in the corner in a while.
Doesn't it make you wonder a little, why all the detractor has stopped detracting and bad mouthing this thread and then suddenly we have Elk konnected, LLC logging on as Elk Konnected without the LLC?????
Do you suppose that they are trying to down play the fact they are a privately owned company?????
Or is this log on simply a name of a follower???
Don't you wonder what kind of game someone is playing?????
Well I think perhaps their response or lack of response to my earlier response should should tell us something, don't you suppose??????
I am talking about this post:Quote from: Ross on September 24, 2011, 08:58:04 PM
Wow that's amazing after all these months of monitering this thread Elk Konnected, LLC finally logs onboard.
Welcome aboard Elk Konnected, LLC?
First question since you have signed on, has to be can you verify you are truthfully Elk Konnected, LLC?????
If this is someone that is not an associate of Elk Konnected, LLC I don't thik we will see a decent response, do you?????
Quote from: Patriot on September 24, 2011, 09:51:39 PM
You will notice that the ability to send a private message via this forum is also disabled. Ah, the games people play.
Wow, Patriot that's a lot of information to digest.
People just back up a couple of post to see what I'm talking about. Very good information, food for thought.
Or just click on the first line above that says quote to go back.
Good night everyone.
I see no games being played...I can see plainly, under their name, the ability to PM them. Perhaps they've just taken advantage of the blocking ability?
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
I see no games being played...I can see plainly, under their name, the ability to PM them. Perhaps they've just taken advantage of the blocking ability?
Probably so. Preemptive since I've never messaged them, nor would I. Gutless their part, no? What are they afraid of? And I'm sure you see no games. I've noticed that you have a tendency to be blind to the obvious.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
I see no games being played...I can see plainly, under their name, the ability to PM them. Perhaps they've just taken advantage of the blocking ability?
You need to open your eyes and also do a little thinking while reading. It would be most helpful.
Ross, this coming from you after totally not getting Warph's commentary on tolerance and civility? Laughable.
Quote from: Patriot on September 25, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Probably so. Preemptive since I've never messaged them, nor would I. Gutless their part, no? What are they afraid of? And I'm sure you see no games. I've noticed that you have a tendency to be blind to the obvious.
Well, it's pretty obvious that I could PM them, if I so desired...Can you say the same? ;D
Quote from: Ross on September 24, 2011, 10:06:22 PM
Wow, Patriot that's a lot of information to digest.
People just back up a couple of post to see what I'm talking about. Very good information, food for thought.
Or just click on the first line above that says qoute to go back.
Good night everyone.
I don't see where the ability to PM them is blocked.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
I see no games being played...I can see plainly, under their name, the ability to PM them. Perhaps they've just taken advantage of the blocking ability?
And I said, "You need to open your eyes and also do a little thinking while reading.
It would be most helpful."
And you said.Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 02:00:45 PM
Ross, this coming from you after totally not getting Warph's commentary on tolerance and civility? Laughable.
Hey, I can easily admit I boo-boo-ed. But I thought it sorta fit. And I also stated it coud be removed or I would delete it if asked.
That's the difference between me and you.
I didn't cry censorship by saying something this stupid, like a Teacher.
Such as:
Quote from: Catwoman on September 20, 2011, 02:45:47 PM
Interesting...I'm noticing that there seems to be some creative deleting occurring here...How un-American.
And that is why you would never be my kids teacher, and you keep Re-enforcing that thought.
Sorry the devil mad me do it! I'm just curious, what is your purpose here since you have said you are not an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?????
Are you an Elk Konnected, LLC registered member sent here to stiir the pot?????
The Elk Konnected, LLC followers that have been on this thread appear to have followed some kind of instructions or orders to leave this thread alone, wouldn't you reckon????? I ask that because they quit the thread all at once since the paper came ou last week with the announcement of another so called Community Conversation is being held in a few days. Coincidental???? Perhaps, but I don't think so, what do you think?????
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 25, 2011, 02:37:14 PM
I don't see where the ability to PM them is blocked.
It looks like they restored it, doesn't it??????
My purpose here is much the same as yours, Ross...To bring a viewpoint that is not only worth considering but that is shared by the more sane, deliberate folks. I have had to smile at some of the PMs I have received...It's nice to know that rational thought, as opposed to worn out, repeated sound bites, is still around. ;D And...The ability to PM EK wasn't restored...It was there all along. Perhaps you just got unblocked... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
To bring a viewpoint that is not only worth considering but that is shared by the more sane, deliberate folks.
I am a "sane" person and I don't share your viewpoint. I'm right in there with Ross and Patriot on this one. I've seen too much proof to not believe them.---Jennifer
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
My purpose here is much the same as yours, Ross...To bring a viewpoint that is not only worth considering but that is shared by the more sane, deliberate folks. I have had to smile at some of the PMs I have received...It's nice to know that rational thought, as opposed to worn out, repeated sound bites, is still around. ;D And...The ability to PM EK wasn't restored...It was there all along. Perhaps you just got unblocked... ;D
THen that would mean that EK who receives tax dollars is not open to all of Elk County residents. That would be illegal since they do receive tax dollars. Boy talk about a conflict of interest and unethical behavior
Steve...Blocking unpleasantness is not illegal...Just advisable, under any circumstances.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 04:13:58 PM
Steve...Blocking unpleasantness is not illegal...Just advisable, under any circumstances.
Denying access to all parties, is unethical and illegal if they are the mouthpiece for government! You cannot stifle free speech of the public to the government. All have the right to make complaints to the government or petition for a redress of grievances in any and all forms of communications present. IF EK is the voice of the government, if EK receives Tax dollars, then they are OBLIGATED to keep all forms of communications open to any and all no matter the unpleasantness. Secondly they are required to answer the questions if they are recipient of tax dollars. The people have a right to know what their money is being used for and an accounting of every red cent must be made!
Quote from: Ross on September 25, 2011, 03:08:16 PM
It looks like they restored it, doesn't it??????
Same here, Ross. Nope, no gamesmanship here.
But here we are again, dwelling on minutia. How about the county employee who has been both instructed, in writing, and paid by the taxpayers to do the work and bidding of the private enterprise known as Elk Konnected.
QuoteDenying access to all parties, is unethical and illegal if they are the mouthpiece for government!
Steve:
This is a forum...not an access to anyone per their choice.
I choose not to have my age or town posted. That is my right and I am not hiding anything....however, (comma...which is like a but it negates the first part of the sentence)......
A county entity that joins a forum and chooses not to answer even questions about themselves, is within their right, even though it was ONCE quoted that the Elk County Forum is a speakeasy.....
Perhaps the entity is just gathering info to "Steer" thier people to another task?
then to quote Wilma...."take it up to the proper authorites". of which would be the comissioner's meetings.
Short answers to deep questions is my take...however I don't attend and hear it firsthand.
I am still curious as to the money trail...it really seems convoluted and trackless.....which raises a yellow flag to me.
ready
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
My purpose here is much the same as yours, Ross...To bring a viewpoint that is not only worth considering but that is shared by the more sane, deliberate folks. I have had to smile at some of the PMs I have received...It's nice to know that rational thought, as opposed to worn out, repeated sound bites, is still around. ;D And...The ability to PM EK wasn't restored...It was there all along. Perhaps you just got unblocked... ;D
More B.S. from the peanut gallery. You have not posted on thing positive about Elk Konnnected, LLC on the whole length of this thread.
Your purpose is nowhere near the same as mine. That's just plain dumb to say. You have shown absolutely nothing relating to a view point, INHO. My purpose is to
ask questions and receive answers from Elk Konnected, LLC that started out as what I thought was a non-profit organization and is now a private business.
Now a couple of other questions!
How many companies or corporations do you know that are in business and has no desire to make money?
So Elk Konnected, LLC why did you become a privately owned Company?????
But I'll tell you one good thing Elk Konnected, LLC has done, are you ready for this?
Elk Konnected has managed to bring about interest and real conversation on the street and on the phone talking about our County Government and some of the disarray and brought awareness through this thread about what is happening in our beautiful county. People are talking? And that is good for the county IMHO>
The only other thing Elk Konnected, LLC in IMHO ihas done is to put out a few lollipops at taxpayers expense and again IMHO also a distraction from the company's real goals, now can you tell me what have they done good with all those thousands of dollars they have received from ECCEF that has benefited Elk County?????
And by the way doesn't one of those C's stand for Community and would that make that organization that has leadership and members, Better than Elk Konnected, LLC?????
Why is there a need for two such organizations in a county of only 2880 people?????
Especially when one is Organized with leadership and all and the other is a private business??????
You could really show your intelligence with an explanation to the question, Now couldn't you?????
I'd like real answers, not B. S. thank you!
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 03:13:02 PM
I have had to smile at some of the PMs I have received...
Do you really expect anyone to believe that line?????? Now here is something credible and if you can show the same kind of reliability I will listen, fair enough?
I sure hope I don't make her mad at me, for using her in this manner, because I would have to move out of the county. She might decide to go hunting, Ross instead of bear?
Quote from: Teresa on August 31, 2011, 09:57:50 AM
I am staying out of this as much as I can publicly... ( I have been criticized for that too) but that is the way it is going to be.
Of course I have concerns about what is going on in our little community, but to get on here ( as some seem to like to do) and just "stir the pot" with jabs and slurs ..trying to reroute the intent of the thread is something that I don't do on any subject.
So~~~
just for general information ( if anyone is interested) ......
as of Aug 23rd to todays date.. .I have received
16 emails..
7 personal messages
14 texts
all but one .. is in support of what Ross and Patriot have brought to light.
They're wanting answers..( on many levels) and wondering why there has been no response from Elk Konnected's main members.
My response to them is that the forum is there for anyone to use. I have no answers as I am not a member nor do I have the knowledge of what is going on, because of that.
Let me reassure you, I have never met Teresa and her husband. Perhaps someday that may happen, but so far it hasn't.
I do not know her mother either. I did not know her mother was on this forum until after I shot off my mouth at her and then people on the forum told me it was her mother, and that I had better be careful. Ya all had me worried to death and I volunteered on this open forum to graciously depart and never return. But it was not necessary. These people have a tolerance and an honesty worthy of admiration.
Thank you, Ross...Yes, they do... ;)...And it has been reassuring to know that you haven't managed to bully absolutely everyone. The PMs I have received have been gracious in the extreme and completey reassuring...And that's no BS. That's just the truth. So, Ross...Try again. Your insults hold no water with them...Or me.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 07:58:43 PM
Thank you, Ross...Yes, they do... ;)...And it has been reassuring to know that you haven't managed to bully absolutely everyone. The PMs I have received have been gracious in the extreme and completely reassuring...And that's no BS. That's just the truth. So, Ross...Try again. Your insults hold no water with them...Or me.
You have absolutely nothing credible to back up your statement of all those PM's, so the statement is not credible. What is it that you fail to understand.
And on top of that you still haven't answered one single question intelligently.
And I have not bullied anyone but simply refused to be bullied by Elk Konnected, LLC followers.
Yes I have got impatient and used the words like dumb, stupid and show us your intelligence.
But far worse has been used on me.
So try giving us some of your intelligence and answer some questions and show us something credible about your remarks.
I myself am just a dumb country redneck with a high school diploma asking a college educate teacher to answer some questions. And it appears all that education is unable to comply.
And you still haven't made clear what your view point is, so please enlighten us?
And the trivial diversions continue.
Who was the sole proprietor doing business as Elk Konnected prior to the formation of the LLC in 2009? And, other than paying dues to Public Square Communities (i.e. Terry Woodbury's organization) what investments did that person make in the development of Elk County. We know from self-published claims that the sole proprietor of EK raised 3000+ from private donors/investors, another $3150+ in the form of a 'community development' grant from ECCEF in 2007 alone. How much in other revenues or tax dollars they received hasn't yet been reported here.
So were the citizens of Elk County the beneficiaries of $6,000+ in 'community improvements' in 2007? If so, what were those improvements?
OK...Ross...I'll write slowly so that you can understand this time...
My viewpoint is as it has been in every post having to do with EK...
They are a bunch of people attempting to do something constructive for Elk County. Period.
They don't take up lots of space and waste oxygen by repeating...And repeating...And repeating...
And, while I agree with Ready that there are some odd things that I don't understand...I am sure that, if I took the time to approach any of the good people who are involved, they'd be able to not only explain it but show in what way it is entirely legal, ethical and upstanding. If they wouldn't be able to, then shame on them.
As for you and your minions...I hope you all listened thoroughly this time and are now able to understand my viewpoint.
If not, it's a personal problem on your part...Not mine.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
They are a bunch of people attempting to do something constructive for Elk County. Period.
So what are the demonstrated results after 4 and a half years and 10s of thousands of private and public money?
Show me the improvements... new business growth, expansion, higher local employment, growing population?
As they say, intentions are nice, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions (and sometimes 'positive' conversation).
Entire nations have been distracted and severely damaged by hope and change mentalities and positive appearing attitudes.
I agree, Patriot. Obama, with all of his hope...And visions of change...Has done nothing but bring this country misfortune. It is hoped that he is a one-term president.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:48:42 PM
I agree, Patriot. Obama, with all of his hope...And visions of change...Has done nothing but bring this country misfortune. It is hoped that he is a one-term president.
Nice dodge, but I prefer Fords.
Quotewhile I agree with Ready
oh hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! shiver me timbers and bar the door Katy! ;)
ready
Obama might be President, but I'm not too sure he's part of Elk Konnected...well not directly!
I did understand that Elk Konnected went to our local preacher and offered help.
The answered was "thank you EK, LLC however we have our own God to worship as we please.
ready....to be striken
Liberals are all about alike - they think they can do something constructive.
Obama and EK - two of the kind.
Keynesian they are.....
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 25, 2011, 09:00:20 PM
Liberals are all about alike - they think they can do something constructive.
Obama and EK - two of the kind.
Keynesian they are.....
And if you ask 2 liberals 1 simple yes/no question 10 times you'll get at least 82 responses... and none of the the answers will be yes or no.... but you will be called you a moron, bully, idiot and divider just before they tell you they are a Christian, apologize, blame their behavior on you as the instigator and then call you 6 more names.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
They don't take up lots of space and waste oxygen by repeating...And repeating...And repeating...
WHY REPETITION IS IMPORTANT
When you create a memory, a pathway is created between your brain cells. It is like clearing a path through a dense forest. The first time that you do it, you have to fight your way through the undergrowth. If you don't travel that path again, very quickly it will become overgrown and you may not even realize that you have been down that path. If however, you travel along that path before it begins to grow over, you will find it easier than your first journey along that way.
Successive journeys down that path mean that eventually your track will turn into a footpath, which will turn into a lane, which will turn into a road, and into a motorway and so on. It is the same with your memory: the more times that you repeat patterns of thought, for example when learning new information, the more likely you will be able to recall that information.
So repetition is a key part of learning. If you look at the article on your Brain's natural rhythms you will find the optimum plan for reviewing (repeating) information to get it into your long term memory.
http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/amz/1198rept.htm
Sounds good to me. I know I've learned quite a bit about this whole thing since this thread was started. And repetition
does help. That's why after you keep doing something it gets easier and you remember how to do it. Once you fall off a bike, you keep getting back on. Repetition. I do it everyday at work and it helps me get better with my job. You don't just teach spelling words to kids once before they take a test. You give them to them on Monday and test them on Friday, after going over them all week long. Repetition. Brilliant concept!---Jennifer
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
"There IS a difference between public and private."
"Intentions and results ARE two different things."
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
OK...Ross...I'll write slowly so that you can understand this time...
Thanks for writing slowly but I think perhaps you should have typed slower so you could understand what you have written and I mean that in a constructive manner.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
My viewpoint is as it has been in every post having to do with EK...
They are a bunch of people attempting to do something constructive for Elk County. Period.
What bunch of people are members of Elk Konnected, LLC?????
What have they done that is constructive?????
I don't see anythig constructive about abusing and usiing county resources, do you??
Like using the county's web site without proper authorization, which they would never get, do you find that constructive?????
Or Like using the county's emergency call system without proper authorization, which they would never get, do you find that constructive?????
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
They don't take up lots of space and waste oxygen by repeating...And repeating...And repeating...
You are so right on that, Elk Konnected, LLC won't communicate at all, they are above communicating with the citizens of Elk County, i guess, without a facillitator form Wichita County to control the people.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
And, while I agree with Ready that there are some odd things that I don't understand...I am sure that, if I took the time to approach any of the good people who are involved, they'd be able to not only explain it but show in what way it is entirely legal, ethical and upstanding. If they wouldn't be able to, then shame on them.
Now you are learning some what. But think again about getting answers and besides thet would hold no credibility without the posting on this forum, I did not say on this thread. If you reported it, it would only be hearsay same as if I reported it.
So let them come on the forum and communicate, quoting you, " show in what way it is entirely legal, ethical and upstanding. If they wouldn't be able to, then shame on them."
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
As for you and your minions...I hope you all listened thoroughly this time and are now able to understand my viewpoint.
We are not the minions, we are not followers. But from your attitude you are the
minion, sorry.
Your viewpoint really appears to be confused, you just questioned them all by saying,"And, while I agree with Ready that there are some odd things that I don't understand."
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
If not, it's a personal problem on your part...Not mine.
No it is not a personal problem except on your behalf! You really sound very confused. Because you have no idea of anything about Elk Konnected, LLC.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 25, 2011, 09:17:08 PM
WHY REPETITION IS IMPORTANT
Successive journeys down that path mean that eventually your track will turn into a footpath, which will turn into a lane, which will turn into a road, and into a motorway and so on. It is the same with your memory: the more times that you repeat patterns of thought, for example when learning new information, the more likely you will be able to recall that information. So repetition is a key part of learning. If you look at the article on your Brain's natural rhythms you will find the optimum plan for reviewing (repeating) information to get it into your long term memory.
http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/amz/1198rept.htm
Sounds good to me. I know I've learned quite a bit about this whole thing since this thread was started. And repetition does help. That's why after you keep doing something it gets easier and you remember how to do it. Once you fall off a bike, you keep getting back on. Repetition. I do it everyday at work and it helps me get better with my job. You don't just teach spelling words to kids once before they take a test. You give them to them on Monday and test them on Friday, after going over them all week long. Repetition. Brilliant concept!---Jennifer
Good points Jennifer. You would think a teacher would have already understood that.
http://www.
happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/amz/1198rept.htm
It is also the samething she sees on tv, advertisement. That was my intent to advertise to Elk Konnected,LLC to answer some questions and to communicate with Elk County Citizens. Pretty simple, don't you think. After all I am not a carrier of a college degree and I understand that. And I do not confuse my view points. I simply ask questions like a good tax paying citizen of Elk County.
Quote from: Patriot on September 25, 2011, 08:53:10 PM
Nice dodge, but I prefer Fords.
Good Lord...You were the only one who caught it! lol Lighten up, people! lol
Sweet dreams to you, too, Ross... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 10:21:02 PM
Sweet dreams to you, too, Ross... ;D
Thanks Cat, I had avery good night and woke very refreshed.
Dang it it's to early for my old man's nap. LOL
I hope you had a good night;s rest.
Time for me to get busy, lot's of work to do. I'm digging up a lady's latterals for her septic tank.
Here you go Ross, go get your answers.
Quote from: Elk Konnected on September 26, 2011, 12:59:43 PM
Elk Konnected invites you to the next community conversation on October 5th at 7:00 p.m. at the Grenola Community Building. Join us in a positive conversation about how Elk Konnected was formed, who is involved and how this volunteer group of citizens is working to improve our quality of life. A community review of our current goals will be presented and Action Teams will report on their activities focused on reaching these goals. Opportunities to share your thoughts and ideas will be provided as well as opportunities to get involved. Elk Konnected is a volunteer organization focused on helping our communities grow and improve their quality of life through citizen engagement, positive conversation, and connecting each other so that all might gain and benefit. We want to hear from you! Come be a part of this conversation and......Stay with us as we grow!
Ahhh, patriotdad, you took the words right off my forum page. Thanks.
Quote from: Catwoman on September 25, 2011, 08:35:41 PM
And, while I agree with Ready that there are some odd things that I don't understand...I am sure that, if I took the time to approach any of the good people who are involved, they'd be able to not only explain it but show in what way it is entirely legal, ethical and upstanding.[/i] If they wouldn't be able to, then shame on them.
Catwoman, I don't hardly ever disagree with you, but in this I have to. I'm not sure that what is going on is entirely legal, ethical, and upstanding. The information and questions on this forum have been turned over to a higher authority, but don't know what action is taking place.
Miss Janet...I said that I found some of what they were doing was odd...And if they couldn't explain it, then shame on them. My hope expressed, that they indeed could explain it in a legal and ethical fashion, was just that...A hope. Nothing more. I am glad to hear that, if there is something untoward going on, that it has been turned over to a higher authority. No matter how much I might personally like someone...I'd turn them in myself if I found illegal happenings occuring. Just ask my ex...He'd confirm that I would indeed refuse to look the other way. He likes me just about as much as Ross and Patriot do! lol
You all need to go to the meeting so you can find out what is going on and put this tread to sleep.
Amen Jane, I agree 100%. Catwomen noone has put any proof out here that anything has been done that is illegal.
Frank, I hope so...And Jane, I am with you. Almost 300 pages later, this is no further along than it was to start with.
Quote from: patriotdad on September 26, 2011, 01:40:02 PM
Here you go Ross, go get your answers.
You are really slow, I posted that last week and stated I will be at this so called community conversation.
If it is a real community conversation it will be the first.
Are to lazy to write your own post?????
And then you don'r even bother giving credit to the person that went to the trouble of tyoing it, shame on you??????
I doubt ,I will ask any questions at such meeting and have the sheriff called again?????
If they were not so Chicken Shut they would speak to all these people on this forum.
But they can't communicate without a Nazi like facilitatior that will call the sheriff now can they?????
We can't trust the newspaper to print the truth about what happens at the so called community conversation because of his bias due to his admittiing an affiliation with Elk konnected now can we?????
Where have you been, haven't you read the thread for the last week??????
I already explained to someone else even if they go talk to Elk Konnected, LLC the priavetly owned company and comes back here to report what they have been told it would lack authentication and credibility the sam as if I did it. This has been said several times throughout this thread? Try reading the thread.
Since you apparently have not been reading you probably haven't noticed all the
detractors stopped posting one day last week when the newspaper came out declaring then next Elk konnected, LLC Community Conversation. It would appear to me that Elk Konnected, LLC told their fillowers to stop playing their game, what do you think?????
LOLSomeone joined this forum as Elk konnected, so what's wrong did they break their fingers after joining up?????
Oh well no since wasting my time on someone who is not reading the thread? TTFN
Quote from: frawin on September 26, 2011, 05:20:00 PM
Amen Jane, I agree 100%. Catwomen noone has put any proof out here that anything has been done that is illegal.
I don't believe anyone on this thread with the excepton of you followers have said anything at all about anything illegal going on.
Perhaps ethics have been questioned. As a matter of fact I have questioned the ethics of a couple of politicians at the County Commissioners Meeting only they did not realize it what was going on. I even put it on this thread.
Good luck on finding anythingnabout anything being illegal.
Quote from: Jane on September 26, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
You all need to go to the meeting so you can find out what is going on and put this tread to sleep.
Why should we put this thread to rest?????
Elk Konnected just signed on.
Do you own the Elk County Forum?????
I thought not.
That is a call the owners may make someday, but it is not your call, now or ever, is it?????
You may put this thread to rest as far as yourself is concerned, just don't read it, and don't come back. that's your call is in't it.
You can do that and I am sure everyone on this thread would grant you permission to do so.
Why put the thread to sleep when Elk Konnected just signed on, now they can communicate with a lot more people.
And I am going nowhere as long as the owner of the Forum permits me to be here and until Elk Konnected answers some questions and has a real dialog. Don't they want to communicate with the elderly and the shut ins and the people that can't afford to buy gas to go to their so called Community Conversations?
But before you go can you
But really Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
Quote from: Catwoman on September 26, 2011, 05:22:19 PM
Frank, I hope so...And Jane, I am with you. Almost 300 pages later, this is no further along than it was to start with.
You guy's must be blind and lack understanding. LOL
Ath the top of the page on the right hand side it says "Latest Member: Elk Konnected", now that's some progress.
They just don't have the gonads to communicate. do they???????
And to top that off a lot of people are reading this forum and asking questions and talking about things. And I am quite proud of each and everyone of them.
And thirdly Elk Konnected has called another Elk konnected Communiity to supposedly to explain all there is to know about them. And I believe it is because of this thread. Look at that again, "Latest Member: Elk Konnected". So
Catwoman, Jane and Frank if you do not like this thread why do you keep coming back?
Do any on of you three know anything at all about Elk Konnecteced, LLC at all ??????
If so why don't you share your
wisdom with all of us??????
Or are you just followers??????
Here is a new question for you, why has Elk Konnected become a latest member of this forum is they don't want to communicate with us??????
After all I believe that is the main purpose of this forum isn't it?????
We believe they have been following this thread since it's inception and that it is not a requirement to be a member to read as a visitor.
So why become a member if not to communicate???????
So Jane and Catwoman and Fran tell us what you know?
Quote from: Catwoman on September 26, 2011, 04:37:44 PM
Miss Janet...I said that I found some of what they were doing was odd...And if they couldn't explain it, then shame on them. My hope expressed, that they indeed could explain it in a legal and ethical fashion, was just that...A hope. Nothing more. I am glad to hear that, if there is something untoward going on, that it has been turned over to a higher authority. No matter how much I might personally like someone...I'd turn them in myself if I found illegal happenings occuring. Just ask my ex...He'd confirm that I would indeed refuse to look the other way. He likes me just about as much as Ross and Patriot do! lol
I must have read your post wrong, then. I apologize.
Janet, you owe me no apology...You are a gem! ;) It will be interesting to see if anything does come of all this conjecture.
Good Morning Elk Konnected
You do know that you don't have to wait a week
To talk
With Elk County citizens
Since you are now a member of this forum
Don't you ? Yea ! Yea ! Yea !
;D ::) :o :D ::) :o ;D ::) :o :D ::) :o ;D ::) :o :D ::) :o Please don't be bashfull
Join in the conversation
And help answer some
Questions, Please?
Lets have a real conversation.
What do you say?
There are a lot of people
That are shut-ins
That can't afford the Gas
To come to your
Community Conversation
And other people have
jobs to go to during your
Community Conversation.
This forum gives you the conduit
to reach so many that may not
be able to attend your
Community Conversation.
I have a real easy question for you.
Is your next Community Conversation going to be
using the Public Squares Communities, LLC's
facilitator with the circle of chairs?
Won't You Please Inform Us?
Is there no line between public and private?
If the flyers for Elk Konnected events were being produced by a government employee on county computers then reproduced by a government employee using a county copy machine, would that be proper? Small potatoes, money wise perhaps, but proper?
Elk Kounty Kinkos? Talk about being Konnected.
Patriot I think they are too ashamed of themselves to talk directly to the citizens of Elk County.
Because of abusing the use of County resources without proper authorization and our County Commissioner Liz denying using taxpayers money during a County Commissioners Meeting even though the Elk Konnected Youth Services had asked for money just before I had addressed the Board, she even denied it after I had pointed out they had just asked the Commissioners for money just ahead of me.
I'd be ashaned too, if it was true of me. Ir it wasn't true, I'd sure addresss the person saying it, would you ?????
Elk Konnected can't even talk with the County citizens, they have to use a facilitator (a non Elk County resident) from Wichita County to control everyone from Elk County and everything from Elk County during their. what I consider IMHO a phony, Community Conversation. I don't find anything Hometown or Community about these actions, do you ??????
How phony is that?????
I guess they think we have a phony County too, don't you ?????
Do you suppose that makes Elk Konnected phony as well ?????
They could step right up to the plate right here right now if they aren't phoney and have a real conversation couldn't they ?????
I'd really like to know what their problem is, asnwer up Elk Konnected ??????
Why are you hiding in plain site ??????
I will attend their next so Called Community Conversation but only as an observer, because the last time I tried to have a conversation with them, and I was being polite, their man from Wichita did not want citizens to have a conversation with Elk Konnected or the community and they called the sheriff. So, to avoid having them call the sheriff I plan to only observe?
I really expect them to either lock me out or to address me during their Community Conversation, and I will repeat I am only there as an observer. They know this right here and right now. So they can speak on their own right here at their leisure.
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
Ross, noone from EK in their right mind would respond to you on the Forum. They have had ample opportunity to see what your methods of attack are. I am proud of EK for ignoring you and I hope they comntinue to do so.
But whenever EK "ignores" Ross they are ignoring the rest of the citizens of Elk County who want answers as well. I don't think it looks so good on them, especially when they said they would use this forum to discuss EK matters. It truly does look as though they are hiding something, in my opinion.----Jennifer
Elk Konnected has announced a meeting. If you seriously care about what they do or don't do, or how they get their funding go to the meeting. I urge you all to get everyone to the meeting, if they agree or disagree with Elk Konnected. I have my proxy going to the meeting. If Ross, Patriot, kshillbilly\Walker family, redcliffsw don't go then I feel that seals my theory that they have a vendetta and don't really care on solving the problems they question.
David
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 27, 2011, 06:29:44 PM
Ross, noone from EK in their right mind would respond to you on the Forum. They have had ample opportunity to see what your methods of attack are. I am proud of EK for ignoring you and I hope they comntinue to do so.
Are you saying I as a simple redneck hick is smarter than all of Elk Konnected and that they are afraid to talk with me, is that what you are saying ?????? I am totally flabbergasted to hear you say that. My, my, my. And Wowie! Perhaps I should be honored, you make me out something I am not.
A genius --- not even.
What method of attack ?????
Asking questions is a method of attack, that's a new one on me, can you please explain that so everyone reading as well as myself understand what you are talking about , please ????? I only ask questions except for a couple of times when I spoke of what took place at the County Commissioners meeting and I only spoke the truth. So please explain yourself if you are able to do so ?????
You must be a member of Elk Konnected to speak on their behalf so why don't you admit it ?????
Are you ashamed of it ??????
Is asking them to talk to the citizens of Elk County with out their controller from another county clear across Kansas a method of attack ?????
Hasn't Elk Konnected said numerous times they want to KONNECT ??????
Here is the perfect opportunity to do just that with Elk Counties Citizens that are:
1. Disabled
2. People that can not afford to buy gas to attend the Community Conversations
3. Have jobs and can not make it to the Community Conversations
4. anyone else I might have missed.
So why don't they Konnect ?????
Heck, even church meetings happen on the internet, only this would be two way conversation.
We know Elk Konnected understands the technology because Elk Konnected used the County Government's web site and Elk Konnected has facebook and Elk Konnected posted letters on the internet praising themselves, and Elk Konnected signed on to this Forum so there is really no excuse now is there ?????
Except perhaps something fabricated by ELK@KC, right ????? A diversion, right ??????
Are they afraid of some thing, so they send you out with this rediculous story of being attacked ??????
What's with that ?????
This thread is going to be around for a long time why not join in, in a real conversation of questions and answers and clear the air with some truth's ??????
Do you Remember this statement:
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
Elk Konnected has announced a meeting. If you seriously care about what they do or don't do, or how they get their funding go to the meeting. I urge you all to get everyone to the meeting, if they agree or disagree with Elk Konnected. I have my proxy going to the meeting. If Ross, Patriot, kshillbilly\Walker family, redcliffsw don't go then I feel that seals my theory that they have a vendetta and don't really care on solving the problems they question.
David
David you are still being the same old California idiot you have been through out this thread since you entered it. You are simply a bad puppet on a string for Elk Konnected. You don't read the post and come on here with smart remarks. Those remarks simply continue to strengthen the idiot part. You claimed to have all kids of inside connections to Elk Konnected and yet you know nothing.
Your proxy, who cares ????? You can read it in the newspaper what ever they put out. And I really expect them to continue down the same worn out path -----
NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE for Elk Konnected.
And you call it a meeting which is exactly what I believe it is, only Elk Konnected does not call it that.
Do you realize why the are calling it a community Conversation instead of a meeting ?????
No you don't, do you ? You probably don't know the difference, sorry I asked.
Idiot there is no vendetta. It is simple taxpaying citizens doing their patriotic and civic duties. We have aright to ask questions of people using our County Government and it taxpayers money and our County Commissioners. Very simple. Are you a patriotic person with any civic responsibility ????? Have you ever served your country in the armed forces ?????
If not then have you ever had a course in civic responsibility ????? If not, may I suggest you get a course ?????
QuoteRoss, noone from EK in their right mind would respond to you on the Forum. They have had ample opportunity to see what your methods of attack are. I am proud of EK for ignoring you and I hope they comntinue to do so.
and there you have it. I guess we aren't "quite right"
Well let me tell you mister EK konnected:
"I will never join your group if you can't communicated your intentions, with ethics and open discussion.
I just may take off work and join your 'discussion' so I can have the sheriff escort me out...or to see for myself what the group is all about. You see, I can work out the difference between discussion, issues and autocracy.
Perhaps we will meet on the 5th.
Then we can dispel those accusations of accusement by Ross, or Ross needs to take a step back.
What say you Mr Elk
ready
Ross, there is a chance for you and your thread supporters to get their answers. By your posts I think you are chickening out on going to the meeting. What can we do as two people on opposite sides of an issue to put this thread to rest? I will do anything I can to get anyone to the ElK Konnected meeting, despite if I agree with them. This upcoming meeting is a chance for both sides to prove how serious they are about what happens in Elk County.
David
Sod: get Elk out of the county's pocket...true and ethically!
No ties from Elk Konneted to Elk County commisioners.
Separation of tailcoats for bloating and just be on the up and up if you can.
AND i am not Ross...sorry. However I am very passionate about this subject for personal reaons.
ready
I am going to bed. You men & women fight diplomatically and truthfully!
ready.........\00/ <<<yawns
Ready aim duck. I am a fan of yours. Rewrite your post so that it makes sense and is coherent enough to pass Catwoman's scrutiny for her 6th grade english students. ( Hey that is not slam on you, I have posted the same kind of sentences)
Dzvid
LOL...David...Leave me out of this!! lol And...My 5th graders write far worse sentences than that. Carry on! lol
Quote from: Catwoman on September 27, 2011, 08:34:36 PM
LOL...David...Leave me out of this!! lol And...My 5th graders write far worse sentences than that. Carry on! lol
Sorry Catwoman, just seemed everywhere I turned the word Catwoman fit the current topic. No need to go run out to get an extension on the protective order. :laugh: And it seems ready and I can write worse sentences than the 5th graders. Don't be so picky with me. :laugh:
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 08:14:48 PM
Ross, there is a chance for you and your thread supporters to get their answers. By your posts I think you are chickening out on going to the meeting. What can we do as two people on opposite sides of an issue to put this thread to rest? I will do anything I can to get anyone to the ElK Konnected meeting, despite if I agree with them. This upcoming meeting is a chance for both sides to prove how serious they are about what happens in Elk County.
David
You know nothing and are so full of BULL.
This thread is not going to rest,
unless the owners make it so,
don't you read any of the post on this thread ?????
But you may, just don't come back and it is at rest as far as you are concerned, Okay ?????
No more stress for you, easy isn't it ?????
Can you comprehend any of the following ?????
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 08:31:59 PM
Ready aim duck. I am a fan of yours. Rewrite your post so that it makes sense and is coherent enough to pass Catwoman's scrutiny for her 6th grade english students. ( Hey that is not slam on you, I have posted the same kind of sentences)
David
You don't comprehend anything David.
You don't read the post either, do you ???
I told catwoman, I would not let her be my chiilds teacher.
So what good would your suggestion be?
You still haven't answered any of my questions about your civic duty??????
What's wrong you don't understand that either.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Quote from: Ross on September 27, 2011, 08:48:25 PM
You know nothing and are so full of BULL.
This thread is not going to rest,
unless the owners make it so,
don't you read any of the post on this thread ?????
But you may, just don't come back and it is at rest as far as you are concerned, Okay ?????
No more stress for you, easy isn't it ?????
Can you comprehen any fo the following ?????
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Ross, your thread reminds me of the manifesto of the unibomber. In its infancy it was coherent then it grew to a wierd manifesto that used weird repetition and scrolling text. You have a chance to get your answers. If you don't I will be convinced this is just a personal vendetta for you being asked to leave when the sheriff was called in the meeting you alluded to.
Anyone that needs to get to the Elk Konnected meeting\Konversation
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
Ross, your thread reminds me of the manifesto of the unibomber. In its infancy it was coherent then it grew to a wierd manifesto that used weird repetition and scrolling text. You have a chance to get your answers. If you don't I will be convinced this is just a personal vendetta for you being asked to leave when the sheriff was called in the meeting you alluded to.
Anyone that needs to get to the Elk Konnected meeting\Konversation
Do you really think I care what you think ?????
Well think again ?????
You know why I don't care what you think ?????
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Quote from: sodbuster on September 27, 2011, 07:04:01 PM
Elk Konnected has announced a meeting. If you seriously care about what they do or don't do, or how they get their funding go to the meeting. I urge you all to get everyone to the meeting, if they agree or disagree with Elk Konnected. I have my proxy going to the meeting. If Ross, Patriot, kshillbilly\Walker family, redcliffsw don't go then I feel that seals my theory that they have a vendetta and don't really care on solving the problems they question.
David
I think how they get their funding is well documented. From commission meeting minutes to federal tax returns. As to your methods of assessing 'motives'.. interesting, but seems to lean toward some kind of conspiracy theory on your part. Being so far away you obviously aren't aware of the significant numbers of local folks who are asking questions and expressing concerns. Must be one helluva big vendetta group. But be assured, there will be plenty of interested people present, myself included, at EK's 'konversation', listening carefully to every fact presented. There will also be some very unlikely skeptics there. Tis a shame you'll miss it.
Ross, is now off the radar for people that want to to good for Elk County in my opinion. If there is any one that wants to do good for Elk County and needs volunteers, money, ideas etc. Post it here on the forum. I think we are wasting our time on this thread when we could use this energy to support Elk County and what the residents want to do to improve their County.
David
It would be nice if the residents of Elk County actually did have a say in what happens in this county for this county. Elected officials all over this country are being scrutinized by their "bosses," i.e. taxpayers. It is no different in Elk County. People are opening their eyes and demanding truth, accountability and open, honest communication about different subjects that impact their lives. There is no "vendetta". It's called patriotism and love for one's country when you expect elected officials to abide by the law, be morally responsible and explain their actions. If certain people in this county are truly wanting to help good things come about, then they should be thinking about the people of the county and not their own personal gain. ----Jennifer
Well said, Jennifer. A wise man once told me that you should never expect that which you don't inspect.
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 27, 2011, 09:55:22 PM
It would be nice if the residents of Elk County actually did have a say in what happens in this county for this county. Elected officials all over this country are being scrutinized by their "bosses," i.e. taxpayers. It is no different in Elk County. People are opening their eyes and demanding truth, accountability and open, honest communication about different subjects that impact their lives. There is no "vendetta". It's called patriotism and love for one's country when you expect elected officials to abide by the law, be morally responsible and explain their actions. If certain people in this county are truly wanting to help good things come about, then they should be thinking about the people of the county and not their own personal gain. ----Jennifer
You have not idea, David. And you can not speak for other people, because you don't know.
Ross is not off the radar, I am doing a big voluntary job all week this week.
I do my share, how about you ?????
Plenty of people volunteer to help their neighbors
without the need of Elk Konnected and their need for money
and to spend our tax dollarsmoney in Leoti, Washington, County Kansas, don't you understand ?????
And without having the praise of a newspaper article pating themselves on the back.
And they don't cause conflit across the county, again, don't you understand ?????
I've done plenty myself and continue to help neighbors in Elk County.
What do you do to help in Elk County?
Neighbor helping neighbor friend helping friend in Elk County unlike life in the city and that's why I chose to live here.
And guess what It's all without the need of a handout or a lollipop.
They do it out of kindness, decency, and ethics.
Elk County residents should be recieving pats on the back, but they don't really need it to be good people.
Unlike organizations that write letters to get the glory of seeing their name in the newspaper, magazines and such, based on the work of others.
and it works just finne
And I agree I could have been much politer yesterday, however we all have our days, don't we??
Unlike organizations that have their hand out for money and have to call meetingss, down home people can talkwith other and have differences ans discuss thoose differences and work together.
For you to get this thread to die, not just for you but anyone else that thinks it should die. It's real simple just click on http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=notify;topic=11780.0 and when the window opens click on yes. I tested the link for you and it works just fine. Now that could be a positive move, Elk Konnected wants positive so there it is.
I hope we both have a better day than yesterday.
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Good question! Sure is something to think about.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 28, 2011, 07:06:05 AM
Good question! Sure is something to think about.
It sure is Redclif
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I say or ask as gospel.
I only ask them to consider my opinion.
And I believe that to be fair on both of our parts in a conversation, be it verbal or be it in writing.
I ask that they think for themselves that's all.
Let me rephrase and repeat one more time:
We should not believe everything someone says to us ?? And that includes anything I say or ask. What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!! 300!!!!!! For those of you who said it wouldn't happen...Pay up. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
SPARTA!!!!!! ;D
Really folks, if you want questions answered (or at least you could TRY), go to the Elk Konnected meeting.
Lisa
I just wanted to be 301...
Really
Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intellegence and authority?
Quote from: farmgal67357 on September 28, 2011, 06:21:24 PM
SPARTA!!!!!! ;D
Really folks, if you want questions answered (or at least you could TRY), go to the Elk Konnected meeting.
Do you think they'll be prepared to answer tax/accounting related or legal structuring questions? If their meeting format is non-Delphi oriented, it might be interesting.
I think EK will be there to deceive the whole bunch of you.
Those who have been impressed with their doctrine will probably continue to believe.
Otherwise you that are on to 'em will quietly witness the socialist gathering or you'll probably be escorted from the event.
Good luck!
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 29, 2011, 07:30:34 AM
I think EK will be there to deceive the whole bunch of you.
Perhaps it's a good time to review..... The Delphi Technique....
http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1998/nov98/focus.html (http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1998/nov98/focus.html)
If it happens, perhaps we will be ready to recognize the process.
Good post/information, Patriot.
In case anyone missed Elk Konnected got an itty-bitty nothing paragraph on page 11
of the newspaper about their next Community Conversation. Be sure to read it
Column 11 paragraph 2.
They say they want to hear from you.
I want to hear from them right here. What's wrong can't they take the heat ?????
Or is it they don't care about the shut-ins? ?????
Or is it they don't care about the people that have to work ?????
Or is it they don't care about the people that can't afford the gas to make it over there ?????
Or is it they don't care about the people that just don't have transportation ?????
Patriot, thanks for your post. All this does in fact sound more than vaguely familiar.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on September 29, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
Patriot, thanks for your post. All this does in fact sound more than vaguely familiar.
Thank you. Yes it does sound familiar. And even somewhat troubling considering that the 'consultant' employed by EK (Mr. Woodbury) is a trained facilitator who's organization uses materials provided by a much larger organization that provides specialized training & materials for facilitators and community organizers.
Of course, there's the fact that one of our county commissioners is now a 'community facilitator' on Mr. Woodbury's staff at Public Square Communities, LLC.
Need proof? http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/st_lhendricks.htm (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/st_lhendricks.htm)
can we all spell c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t o-f i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t ?
That was for you CAT. lol
spell check please
ready to sit in corner
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 29, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
can we all spell c-o-n-f-l-i-c-t o-f i-n-t-e-r-e-s-t ?
Yes we can, and we did.... months ago. But were demonized and ridiculed. Still are, as a matter of fact.
Patriot...
Perhaps people who were once a member, have shed that skin of association??
just saying I no longer shoot varmints from the waist naked off my porch anymore.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 29, 2011, 07:54:07 PM
Patriot...
Perhaps people who were once a member, have shed that skin of association??
Possibly... at least those without a sugar n koolaid addiction. :D
ADDICTIONS can be cured...just come and sit with us and let us help you..
(said the spider to the fly). ie, Rubbernecking /masturbation/picking one's nose/scratching oneself and pharting.
Kool-aid was highly underrrated until J Jones came along....
buzz words are now the new kool-aid, please keep up. :P
Elk Konnected is providing another lollipop this weekend for 5 hours at the Grenola Octoberfest.
A mechanical bull from noon to five.
Ya gonna get your licks in ?????
Quote from: Ross on September 29, 2011, 08:25:14 PM
Elk Konnected is providing another lollipop this weekend for 5 hours at the Grenola Octoberfest.
A mechanical bull from noon to five.
Ya gonna get your licks in ?????
And it only cost the taxpayers about $1000. :o
Wow, only a about a grand ?????
Do you think the County would have gave that money to Grenola to rent the BULL ????? LOL
I personally doubt it since Grenola in not one of the County Commissioner, IMHO.
I think we are simply paying for advertisement for Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company. IMHO.
Otherwise I don't get it.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
My personal opinion is each of the individual towns could use that money to promote their own communities ??????
Instead of the county money being used to promote and advertise for a privately owned little company which has no membership, no leadership, and no treasurer, don't you ??????
It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Remember this summer when Longton Ball Association wrote a letter to the County Commissioners asking for, I believe 500 for their efforts ????? One County Commissioner I believe poped up with let's give them $1000, wasnt that after Longton's one and only police officer/dog catcher became part of Elk Konnected's Steering Committee ?????
Just wondering ?????
I believe before that it was difficult to get that $500 originally asked for wasn't it ?????
From the newspaper sometime back;
In the latter part of 2009, Elk Konnected became a limited liability company (LLC)
to protectthe
steering committee and the
action teams from liability This seemed necessary with the exposure
of the youth activities and the wellness center.
I Would think they would care more about
youth then to
protect themselves from the
youth , don't you ?????
Who protects the youth from Elk Konnected ?????
Where is the positive attitude in that ??????
It really sounds negative to me, we will protect our selves from youth activities, what do you think ?????
Just
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
Re: Elk Konnected Community Update
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 11:02:24 PM »
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The Community standards committee has been ENERGIZED with ideas such as drive by mowing, united legal communication about getting rid or old structures, and Ice Cream is a requirement at any and all meetings.
Stop the blithe, approve by BROCK, and let the Bulldozer Roll.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?topic=5185.0
From an Elk Konnected follower:
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
I know I have refered to Elk Konnected's Community Conversation's as a circus of a circle of chairs.
Well, I don't believe I am wrong, after all read the following:
Quote from: L Hendricks on July 22, 2008, 09:18:27 PM
Come one, come all - Elk Konnected
Doesn't that, "Come one, come all" sound like a circus hawker to you????
And they have lollipops to hand out, don't they ?????
Hasn't Elk Konnected been around since 2007 ?????
So in all those years what have they done to make Elk County a better place to live...what ????
Quote from: Ross on September 30, 2011, 05:32:41 AM
From the newspaper sometime back;
In the latter part of 2009, Elk Konnected became a limited liability company (LLC) to protect steering committee and the action teams from liability This seemed necessary with the exposure of the youth activities and the wellness center.
Can you find the date of that article?
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 06:16:32 AM
Can you find the date of that article?
Sorry Patriot,
I've been searching the forum and can't seem to find where I copied it from.
I'll keep looking.
quote author=Patriot link=topic=11780.msg176595#msg176595 date=1317384992]
Can you find the date of that article?
[/quote]
Quote from: Ross on September 30, 2011, 05:03:40 PM
Sorry Patriot,
I've been searching the forum and can't seem to find where I copied it from.
I'll keep looking.
I have nothing to do with Elk Konnected so I have no say in what they do. I also, am not a lawyer, but in my mind posting something as fact and not being able to find where you copied it from could result in a lawsuit. Ross et al you need to check your facts. You have also, posted IRS info on an organization that came from a charity watchdog organization. While you said the info was from the IRS it was not. In fact the hyperlink that you provided showed that the info was from another organization. When you go to that organization they do not provide that info due to the fact that there were elctonic filing errors that caused the IRS to certify that that info was not true. You guys are treading on thin ice in my opinion. Go back and verify your facts.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
I also, am not a lawyer...David
Those would be the operative words overshadowing your entire post.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
...but in my mind posting something as fact and not being able to find where you copied it from could result in a lawsuit.
Your mind, imo, is a really dark & confused place, and it is probably vacant of any understanding of any applicable Kansas statute relative to your bush lawyer assumptions of the basis for any lawsuit.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
Ross et al you need to check your facts.
You seem to assume facts haven't been checked. Consider assuming otherwise.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 05:40:46 PM
You have also, posted IRS info on an organization that came from a charity watchdog organization. While you said the info was from the IRS it was not. In fact the hyperlink that you provided showed that the info was from another organization. When you go to that organization they do not provide that info due to the fact that there were elctonic filing errors that caused the IRS to certify that that info was not true. You guys are treading on thin ice in my opinion. Go back and verify your facts.
First, I suspect you can't see the data on the second site because you're not a subscriber to their 50 year old service. I gather you also are not aware that those tax returns are available directly from the IRS. Please provide proof that the information provided was inaccurate. As for your opinion... well.
It's amazing the lengths to which some folks will go to try and discredit any information provided by those who have questions about EK or their associations and defend a company they know nothing about. And yet some wonder why we want an
open public discussion in an
uncontrolled environment like this forum. Unbelievable.
David, every time you poke your head out from under the sheets in order to blow this direction, I'm reminded of that great line by W.C. Fields... "Go away, kid. Ya bother me."
Here is something interesting from Elk Konnected: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php
Elk Konnected
Success Stories
Elk County provide ideas on how to use wind dollars
Better roads and local tax relief are top suggestions
By Rudy Taylor
PRAIRIE STAR
While no specific recommendations were determined,
Woodbury was able to make several conclusions from the groups which were composed of eight to ten in each circle.
Local YMCA, YWCA
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
My opinions:
Since no specific recommendations were determined, Where did the list on page one of this thread come from ?????
Was that list produced by Mr. Woodbury of Public Squares Communities of Leoti, Kansas in Wichita County, which is 338 mi, 5 hours 56 mins west of our County Seat, are these his ideas ???????
Who made the list???? Doesn't this sound like one big snow job to you ?????
And here on Public Squares Communities, a web page for Elk Konnected, a YMCA is suggested along with a lot of other ideas, that appnear to be put together by a very small group of people and I would like for them to answer, who are you ?????
Do you have any idea what it would cost to build a YMCA ?????
Do you have any idea what the annual franchise fees would be ?????
On top of that, think why did Elk konnected shut down their only business ?????
Perhaps they would not accept negative feed back, what do you think ????$
Did they do a feasability study ?????? Did they think people could afford to pay to exercise ?????
Are there enough people in Elk County to support what was basically a fitnes center ?????
Do they think there is a celarge enough population in Elk County to support a YMCA ?????
Do they realize we have about 1/4 the population of Independence, Kansas ??????
Does Independence have a YMCA ?????? Think about it.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " No I did not copy and paste the whole page but you can read it at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php
But please read carefully.
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 07:26:11 PM
David, every time you poke your head out from under the sheets in order to blow this direction, I'm reminded of that great line by W.C. Fields... "Go away, kid. Ya bother me."
Patriot,
I simply wanted to tell him since he lived in California simply to find a short pier and take a long walk.
But I refrained. ROFLMBO
et alia David.
I'm still looking for the place where I copied it from. Sorry I should have pasted the address, I just forgot to. Old age, ya know.
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 07:26:11 PM
Those would be the operative words overshadowing your entire post.
Your mind, imo, is a really dark & confused place, and it is probably vacant of any understanding of any applicable Kansas statute relative to your bush lawyer assumptions of the basis for any lawsuit.
You seem to assume facts haven't been checked. Consider assuming otherwise.
First, I suspect you can't see the data on the second site because you're not a subscriber to their 50 year old service. I gather you also are not aware that those tax returns are available directly from the IRS. Please provide proof that the information provided was inaccurate. As for your opinion... well.
It's amazing the lengths to which some folks will go to try and discredit any information provided by those who have questions about EK or their associations and defend a company they know nothing about. And yet some wonder why we want an open public discussion in an uncontrolled environment like this forum. Unbelievable.
David, every time you poke your head out from under the sheets in order to blow this direction, I'm reminded of that great line by W.C. Fields... "Go away, kid. Ya bother me."
Patriot, be careful how you post my quotes. When you edit them so much that they do not represent the original meaning you are on thin ice. I grew up in a family of lawyers, lived with lawyers, and have many lawyer friends.
Your links and posted info on eccef are suspect according to the posts that you have made and the links. Doesn't matter what I think or you think. I warned you they are suspect.
David
Quote from: Ross on September 30, 2011, 07:50:37 PM
Patriot,
I simply wanted to tell him since he lived in California simply to find a short pier and take a long walk.
But I refrained. ROFLMBO
et alia David.
I'm still looking for the place where I copied it from. Sorry I should have pasted the address, I just forgot to. Old age, ya know.
/quote]
Ross, you can't make a comment good or bad about California I have not said myself. No one on the forum can say anything that will ruffle my feathers. What I do know is that Ross, Patriot, with there posts from questionable sources need to check their sources. Patriot I just followed your and\or Ross's links to the IRS info and found the notifications that the info on the site and the IRS info they were provided had errors due to the fact they were filed by electronically.
David
Quote from: Ross on September 30, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
Here is something interesting from Elk Konnected: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php
Elk Konnected
Success Stories
Elk County provide ideas on how to use wind dollars
Better roads and local tax relief are top suggestions
By Rudy Taylor
PRAIRIE STAR
While no specific recommendations were determined,
Woodbury was able to make several conclusions from the groups which were composed of eight to ten in each circle.
Local YMCA, YWCA
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________
My opinions:
Since no specific recommendations were determined, Where did the list on page one of this thread come from ?????
Was that list produced by Mr. Woodbury of Public Squares Communities of Leoti, Kansas in Wichita County, which is 338 mi, 5 hours 56 mins west of our County Seat, are these his ideas ???????
Who made the list???? Doesn't this sound like one big snow job to you ?????
And here on Public Squares Communities, a web page for Elk Konnected, a YMCA is suggested along with a lot of other ideas, that appnear to be put together by a very small group of people and I would like for them to answer, who are you ?????
Do you have any idea what it would cost to build a YMCA ?????
Do you have any idea what the annual franchise fees would be ?????
On top of that, think why did Elk konnected shut down their only business ?????
Perhaps they would not accept negative feed back, what do you think ????$
Did they do a feasability study ?????? Did they think people could afford to pay to exercise ?????
Are there enough people in Elk County to support what was basically a fitnes center ?????
Do they think there is a celarge enough population in Elk County to support a YMCA ?????
Do they realize we have about 1/4 the population of Independence, Kansas ??????
Does Independence have a YMCA ?????? Think about it.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " No I did not copy and paste the whole page but you can read it at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php
But please read carefully.
Ross, in my opinion this post above is way beyond the unibomber's manifesto. I don't know how serious you are with the posts on this topic or what your true motives are. I hope this is not your manifesto before we read about you in the news.
David
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:04:16 PM
Patriot, be careful how you post my quotes. When you edit them so much that they do not represent the original meaning you are on thin ice. I grew up in a family of lawyers, lived with lawyers, and have many lawyer friends.
Davie, is that a threat. It sure reads like a threat. Like a New York threat. I suppose you are also threatening the forum owners too since their software allows for such edits, no? Don't threaten me david. I thought the EK that you so virulently defend was all about positives.
Rather than toss loose threats about, why not provide some factual information of our own about EK or some valid refutation of information provided by others.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Ross, in my opinion this post above is way beyond the unibomber's manifesto. I don't know how serious you are with the posts on this topic or what your true motives are. I hope this is not your manifesto before we read about you in the news.
More subliminal threats. And from one I opine is another poor student of Alinsky and the Alinsky Method (Delphi). "Isolate the opposition and minimize" It won't work, soddy. The only things that will work are factual, verifiable answers.
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 08:33:45 PM
Davie, is that a threat. It sure reads like a threat. Like a New York threat. I suppose you are also threatening the forum owners too since their software allows for such edits, no? Don't threaten me david. I thought the EK that you so virulently defend was all about positives.
Rather than toss loose threats about, why not provide some factual information of our own about EK or some valid refutation of information provided by others.
Patriot, I would never sue the forum owners. Just because the software allows you to make those edits\statements doesn't mean it is legal. I am not Elk Konnected. No, not a threat. I just think you and Ross are skating close to a defamation suit if EK had the will. Like I said I have no say and am not a lawyer.
David
Elk Konnected denys membership right ?????
So you would tell me this is a typographical error, right ???
http://www.taylornews.org/pst/2010/03/16/elk-konnected-update-set-for-tuesday/
Elk Konnected update set for Tuesday
The Elk Konnected Steering Committee, along with the five Elk Konnected Action Teams, is planning a dual purpose "Community Update and Community Conversation" to highlight the achievements of each team and collect new data for future project areas.
The public is encouraged to attend the meeting which will be held Tuesday, March 23, from 5:30 to 8:30 p.m., at the commons area of the West Elk High School. A light soup supper and free child care will be provided.
Please join Elk Konnected for an evening of positive conversation as they lay the groundwork for future activity in this area. The previous Community Conversation, held in the Elk Valley School commons area included nearly 125 people with great ideas. They hope to repeat that success.
Elk Konnected members urged everyone to: "Stay With us As We Grow."
March 16, 2010 · Posted in Uncategorized
So who are the Elk Konnected members ???
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
No, not a threat.
Sure sounded like a threat.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
I just think you and Ross are skating close to a defamation suit if EK had the will.
What is this obsession you have with skating... and ice? We covered defamation issues way back in this thread. Why don't you take a few weeks and review. :)
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:45:01 PM
Like I said I have no say and am not a lawyer.
Again, the operative words behind your threats
What did EK do with tat $31000+ they got from the ECCEF? Did they combine it with the $19,900 equipment money they got from another group for use in the wellness center project?
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 09:03:26 PM
Sure sounded like a threat.
What is this obsession you have with skating... and ice? We covered defamation issues way back in this thread. Why don't you take a few weeks and review. :)
Again, the operative words behind your threats
What did EK do with tat $31000+ they got from the ECCEF? Did they combine it with the $19,900 equipment money they got from another group for use in the wellness center project?
Explain to me how any money\assets a private organization\entity recieved from ECCEF is your business. It was taxpayers money when the Kansas gov gave it to ECCEF. When Eccef gave it to EK it was none of your business. The rent the Wellness center paid was to SeeKan if I am not mistaken. That means they paid the government rent. If you have problems with grants, farm subsidies, welfare, foodstamps, the fact Kansas recieves more federal money than they pay in, vote properly to fix it.There are 14 non profit charities in Howard alone that are organized under the same lasws as Eccef. They get grants, fed funds, donations etc.
Look them up:
VFW
Many 4h and FFA units
Rotary
Shriners
Church organizations
Elk Konnected is not receiving funds any differently than 14 other organizations in elk county,
David
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.
Isn't that a negative Elk Konnected started out on ????? Liz said during a County commissioners meeting they didn't mean to be dissing Elk Falls, her words. They can be negative but you better be positive, right ????
The nine member steering committee set off to raise the $3000 seed money - $50 at a time. We felt this amount was not going to break an individual and would encourage us to talk about "Elk Konnected" with more citizens. We spent time at a steering committee meeting discussing who would contact whom. And WE DID IT! We had
74 investors and raised $4250 by the end of July.
Would you look at that 74 investors in Elk Konnected, LLC ? Don't investors usually want a return on their money ?????
Just something to think about.
Good Night All
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Ross, in my opinion this post above is way beyond the unibomber's manifesto. I don't know how serious you are with the posts on this topic or what your true motives are. I hope this is not your manifesto before we read about you in the news.
David
David it's time for you to go home now,
I hear your mommy calling, you know she
doesn't like you play ing with the big boys.
Character assassination, who's got character ?????
What's your true motive? Talking about something you know nothing about?
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 09:29:32 PM
Explain.....
Quack. Waddle. Fly.
Perhaps you will be kind enough to reiterate the facts surrounding EK and their relationships with Elk County government and Elk County School districts.
Quote from: Patriot on September 30, 2011, 09:41:29 PM
Quack. Waddle. Fly.
Perhaps you will be kind enough to reiterate the facts surrounding EK and their relationships with Elk County government and Elk County School districts.
Now I see you are an incoherent follower of Ross's manifesto. Like I said I have nothing to do with Elk Konnected. I gave you posts to all the info that you seek from what was posted by EK and what government entities posted. I have seen a lot of questions but never any proof Elk Konnected did anything unlawful. In fact Ross has said they never did anything unlawful. Ross EK is a private entity, if you don't like the money they got , that at one time were taxpayers dollars you need to redress the government. You have no more right to question them; than they do to question you (Ross) about the taxpayers dollars that you get from your time in the service, government shipyard worker, or any disability you may have received due to the shipyard forcing you to retire. (Please correct me for the part of your story Ross, I recounted from your posts here. If I am wrong correct them or I will post quotes from you that suport my understandings).
Quote from: Ross on September 30, 2011, 07:42:36 PM
Here is something interesting from Elk Konnected: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/news.php
Elk Konnected
Success Stories
Elk County provide ideas on how to use wind dollars
Better roads and local tax relief are top suggestions
By Rudy Taylor
PRAIRIE STAR
While no specific recommendations were determined ,
Woodbury was able to make several conclusions from the groups which were composed of eight to ten in each circle.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Elk County provide ideas on how to use wind dollars ----- Who in Elk Konnected, please provide a list of names???
Oh, there is no list is there?
"there was no specific reccomendations "
Why???
Better roads and local tax relief are top suggestions ----- With the highest county taxes in Kansas you don't need a
Crystal Ball or an Organization or a Mr. Woodbury
to come up with tax relief do you ????
In fact all you need is for the county to get the money from the wimd farm then demand that you elected County Commissioners provide that relief. After all you elect the County Commissioners to serve you, and not Elk Konnected, LLC remember that? Doesn't that make since ????
Help me try to understand this statement, please?
If there was no specific reccomendations able to be determined how did
Mr. Woodbury manage to come to any conclusions ???
Does he have a crystal ball???
He would not listen to me, he would not converse with me or anyone else at the meeting, why ???
He just gave orders, instructions to a room full of adults, such as don't sit with your spouse, don't sit with your friend, don't sit with your neighbor, and like puppets musical chairs started,
WHY? What did that accomplish except split up husband and wives (strong families), split up friend and neighbors (good relationships), force people to sit during decision making times with people they did not know simply to confuse matters ???
The people did not go to a Community Conversation to socialize or make new friends during a suggestion and decision making time now did they????
Perhaps before or after the meeting but not during the meeting now did they???
This reads like
Mr. Woodbury of Public Squares Communities of Leoti, Kansas in Wichita County, which is 338 mi, 5 hours 56 mins west of our County Seat, makes the decisions, is that what produced the list on page one of this thread ?
Elk Konnected you know we have been asking you for a long time, "Who is your leader", well since
Mr. Woodbury appears to be the major decision maker and the leader of the so called Community Conversation doesn't that pretty much make,
Mr. Woodbury of Public Squares Communities,LLC of Leoti, Kansas in Wichita County, which is 338 mi, 5 hours 56 mins west of our County Seat, the Elk Konnected leader ???
While no specific recommendations were determined I can understand that with all that musical chairs stuff going on and no actual conversation, doesn't that make
sense to you ???
So were the
specific recommendations determined after the Community Conversation ended ???
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Just a note...
Unelected community organization groups, whether ACORN, Public Square Communities or Elk Konnected, do not represent the broader electorate. Until there is complete transparency and a verifiable separation between county/city government/public government run schools and this privately owned political action companies... this isn't going away.
Stay connected, citizens.
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 08:25:51 PM
Ross, in my opinion this post above is way beyond the unibomber's manifesto. I don't know how serious you are with the posts on this topic or what your true motives are. I hope this is not your manifesto before we read about you in the news.
David
You talk about all these people in your family being lawyers, but that gives you no more a knowledge of the law than I do.
Therefore your legal advice is worth absolutely nothing. But may I ask does that represent your manifesto?
A manifesto is a public declaration of principles and intentions.
I have already stated mine Numerous times, don't you read the posts??
I am a simple dumb ass redneck that is asking simple questions that need to be cleared up.
And I do that based on my qualifications as a VietNam Veteran who has served my country as a patriot.
And it is my patriotic duty, and civic duty as a taxpayer and voter in Elk County to ask for the truth, simple isn't it?
So, yes my manifesto is way beyond that of the unibomber because I am communicating openly and honestly.
I am simply asking for the truth, ethics, and and principles in our local government.
And you in California seem to have an unknown problem with that, why?
And I doubt that you will ever read about me in the paper because I am just a red neck dumb ass, with no evil intentions,
Just questions that I guess might be deemed politically incorrect to some that let politicians walk on them based on POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.
David your opinion is of no value to anyone until you post your manifesto in my opinion.
Is your manifesto to do what ever Elk Konnected tells you to do ???
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
this thread continues to entertain. Isn't it ironic that at the local level, these right wing loonies are so questioning of these kinds of organizations, yet when a group like heritage foundation or Americans for prosperity comes along, they take the bait, hook line and sinker.
Elk Konnected how about some answers to some really cool questions?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Can anybody answer just one question with any intelligence and authority?
I just popped in again to see if anything was new. Nope. After 5 months and people telling you you won't get answers here, do you really expect anything to change?
Quote from: sodbuster on September 30, 2011, 09:29:32 PM
Explain to me how any money\assets a private organization\entity recieved from ECCEF is your business. It was taxpayers money when the Kansas gov gave it to ECCEF. When Eccef gave it to EK it was none of your business. The rent the Wellness center paid was to SeeKan if I am not mistaken. That means they paid the government rent. If you have problems with grants, farm subsidies, welfare, foodstamps, the fact Kansas recieves more federal money than they pay in, vote properly to fix it.There are 14 non profit charities in Howard alone that are organized under the same lasws as Eccef. They get grants, fed funds, donations etc.
Look them up:
VFW
Many 4h and FFA units
Rotary
Shriners
Church organizations
Elk Konnected is not receiving funds any differently than 14 other organizations in elk county,
David
sodbuster, I'm sorry, but Elk County does not have a VFW as far as I know. We have 2 American Legions, but no VFW.
Oops. I screwed that that up. Oh, well. No VFW's in Elk County.
Copied directly from, Http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm mInus the back ground and picture.
My questions are in Blue.
______________________________________________________________________________________________________
ELK COUNTY
You are talking about the county I live in, vote in and pay taxes in, the same county my County Commissioner that is shown at the bottom of this page lives in ???
You are referring to Elk County, Kansas just so there is no confusion, am I right ???
And you are referring to the County Commissioners who's duty is to represent the taxpaying citizens of Elk County, right ???
And you our County Commissioner don't see no conflict of interest in representing us the taxpaying citizens and representing Elk Konnected and representing Public Squares Communities who happens to be your employer, is that what you want us to believe ???
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ELK KONNECTED VISION 2018
Strong families Do you accomplish this by coming between mom and dad at so called County Conversations by saying you can not sit in the same circle of chairs to discuss anything Elk Konnected ???
Nothing nor anyone comes between me and my wife, especially some privately owned company claiming to represent me to my County Commissioners, I sure hope you find that understandable?
I just don't see where your actions are conducive to strong families, would you please explain this for me?
Solid education What does mean, does it mean we don't have good schools now ?
Superior Lifestyle
Huh ???
Please explain for this redneck, farm boy, hick ???
Is it that you don't like our lifestyle ???
"Stay with us as we grow!"
You are asking Elk County Citizens aren't you ???
What do you plan to grow into???
Goals:
Please explain each of the listed goals, so I may understand exactly what you are talking about ???
Youth Development
Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Please what are you going to coordinate ???
What are you going to develop in our youth ???
Are you going to get the approval of parents about this development ???
Will you please explain in plain English how this development might work beyond what is already available ???
Physical Image
Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Don't you mean just mimic what the individual communities already do for themselves ???
Community Wellness
Didn't your Wellness Center fail and shut down ???
We already have medical clinics where people go for wellness don't we ???
Or were you just referring to a workout center with exercise machines ???
Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
What does that mean before and after your Wellness Center failed ???
What type of infrastructure, how would it work ???
Community Standards
Each town has it's own ordinances, so please explain what you are talking about ???
Are you suggesting that each town lacks the ability to take care of their own community ???
Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
What exactly is the Elk Konnected community ???
Does it have any boundaries, city limits, county lines ???
What enforcement authority does Elk Konnected have out side of it being a private business ???
I can understand a private company having enforcement authority over it's own property maintenance standards, please explain if you are talking beyond that ???
Communication
Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
I believe we have that right here with the Elk County Forum and you tried that with the County Taxpayers Emergency Notification and Call System without proper authorization and angered a lot of people, so is there something else you are talking about ???
What patrons ??? Who are your patrons ???
For information contact: Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127
That's OK Janet because sodbuster was hammering me, Sarge , Patriot and Ross as to why us VFW boys don't step up to the plate to do the color guard. The last I knew the color guard in Elk county were veterans from the American Legion. To my knowledge there is no VFW in Elk county since Grenola closed their doors probably 16-18 years ago. Now I sure can't speak for the other lads but I do not belong to an Elk County American Legion but do belong to the VFW in Independence---which I transferred to when Grenola closed theirs. All that talk about the color guard were WW-II vets but now too old is kinda mis-leading, don't you think? I know last winter I attended a funeral here in Longton that had the American Legion color guard do the military part. I didn't know all of them but did know "Tiny" W. ,Brad H., Russ J. ,and Jack H. and don't believe any of them are old enough to be WW-II vets, or any of the detail. I thought maybe Russ J (may Russ RIP) might be the oldest and he was a Korean vet. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote from: jarhead on October 01, 2011, 08:26:35 PM
That's OK Janet because sodbuster was hammering me, Sarge , Patriot and Ross as to why us VFW boys don't step up to the plate to do the color guard. The last I knew the color guard in Elk county were veterans from the American Legion. To my knowledge there is no VFW in Elk county since Grenola closed their doors probably 16-18 years ago. Now I sure can't speak for the other lads but I do not belong to an Elk County American Legion but do belong to the VFW in Independence---which I transferred to when Grenola closed theirs. All that talk about the color guard were WW-II vets but now too old is kinda mis-leading, don't you think? I know last winter I attended a funeral here in Longton that had the American Legion color guard do the military part. I didn't know all of them but did know "Tiny" W. ,Brad H., Russ J. ,and Jack H. and don't believe any of them are old enough to be WW-II vets, or any of the detail. I thought maybe Russ J (may Russ RIP) might be the oldest and he was a Korean vet. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
I know of at least 2 other Korean vets in Elk county.
Quote from: Anmar on October 01, 2011, 08:37:49 PM
I know of at least 2 other Korean vets in Elk county.
And they would be 80 years or older, right?
Anmar,
Did I say that wrong ? I didn't mean that Russ J. was the only Korean vet in the county. Aint too many left though that I know of. When was the Korean war---1950 -53. That would make them great old vets getting up in the years
Quote from: jarhead on October 01, 2011, 08:45:12 PM
Anmar,
Did I say that wrong ? I didn't mean that Russ J. was the only Korean vet in the county. Aint too many left though that I know of. When was the Korean war---1950 -53. That would make them great old vets getting up in the years
I don't think you said anything wrong. I was just trying to provide info. There are still several Korean vets around, and as far as I know, in their 80's
I've got a question, why are our elected county commissioners allowing a so-called private organization to have such a large influence on how things in this county are run?
I mean seriously, if EK is going to be allowed to tell us how to spend our money or run our county why in the hell are we paying for commissioers to meet twice a month?
Or is it that some of our commissioners just have REALLY close ties with EK?
I mean are the citizens of this county to stupid to have a discussion without an outside organization coming in to tell us how? Apparentlly the commissiners must think so, or else they would step up and do the job they were elected to do.
Maybe its because some of our commissiners are to afraid or just plain chickens@#$ to meet with the public, or it could be that they're (and yes I'm quoting one) "just don't want to deal with the bulls#!$"?
I think it is high time that those folks that ran for office and we voted for come down from their ivory towers and faced the people that put them in office. It is time they started to answers questions TRUTHFULLY (for those commissioners that may be reading this post and wondering at the definition of the word "truthfully" it can be found by consulting websters dictionary.).
Franklly I don't give a damn who Elk Konnected is. I am more concerned about why they are here, and why they are doing the job of elected officals.
American Legion membership is open to all veterans of the armed forces. There is no requirement as to age or war served during. The American Legion in Howard does have members that are young enough to be a color guard in a parade and it is time that they step up and insist on doing their duty at home.
Quote from: Wilma on October 02, 2011, 07:26:20 AM
...The American Legion in Howard does have members that are young enough to be a color guard in a parade and it is time that they step up and insist on doing their duty at home.
Moreover, it's high time all of our citizens step up and start placing principle over personality and promise over power. Looking not to blindly defending the status quo, but rather to upholding the practices of honest government that seeks the opportunity of prosperity for all rather than the special interests of a few. Expecting transparency, fair dealing, and integrity from those elected to lead rather than burying their heads in the sand accepting the apathetic mediocrity that has become the norm. Being willing to openly and honestly inspect that which they claim to expect. And being bold enough to demand change. With those foundations once again in place, then honest warriors might be proud and eager to honor their community by carrying the banners that represent liberty and freedom down its' streets. Remember... it's ultimately not so much what is done during a parade that matters most, but what is done day in and day out by average citizens and leadership that determines our destiny.
Let's treat the problem, and the symptoms will take care of themselves.
I just learned something too. I didn't know about those gaps.
Frank, I sure didn't know that either. Live and learn I guess.
Quote from: frawin on October 02, 2011, 11:38:03 AM
Wilma actually that is not true, the requirement is as follows: I don't agree with this as I have friends and schoolmates that served outside the window of requirement and they have been denied membership, if a war had broken out during there service time they would have been the first to go.
Also I know several WWII Veterans and Korean War Veterans in Howard.
Would you please be kind enough to take this to another or a new thread.
Thank you,
Ross
Excellent post Varmit.
Personaly, I want to know who is running Elk Konnected if our County Commissioners are going to continue to be cheerleaders for Elk Konnected at County Commissioners meeting or otherwise and continue to support them with taxpayers money to hand out lollipops for recognition, Sorta like advertisement for a private company an LLC don't you think ???
And I would like to know what Elk Konnected is all about, so I know who is running our County government and what their plains are, wouldn't you ???
And I don't want to read any more non-information in the newspaper or non-information in what I consider a fake Community Conversation ???
Quote from: Ross on October 01, 2011, 08:11:24 PM
Copied directly from, Http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm mInus the back ground and picture.
My questions are in Blue.
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ELK COUNTY
You are talking about the county I live in, vote in and pay taxes in, the same county my County Commissioner that is shown at the bottom of this page lives in ???
You are referring to Elk County, Kansas just so there is no confusion, am I right ???
And you are referring to the County Commissioners who's duty is to represent the taxpaying citizens of Elk County, right ???
And you our County Commissioner don't see no conflict of interest in representing us the taxpaying citizens and representing Elk Konnected and representing Public Squares Communities who happens to be your employer, is that what you want us to believe ???
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Copied directly from, Http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm mInus the back ground and picture.
My questions are in Blue.
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ELK COUNTY
You are talking about the county I live in, vote in and pay taxes in, the same county my County Commissioner that is shown at the bottom of this page lives in ???
You are referring to Elk County, Kansas just so there is no confusion, am I right ???
And you are referring to the County Commissioners who's duty is to represent the taxpaying citizens of Elk County, right ???
And you our County Commissioner don't see no conflict of interest in representing us the taxpaying citizens and representing Elk Konnected and representing Public Squares Communities who happens to be your employer, is that what you want us to believe ???
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ELK KONNECTED VISION 2018
Strong families Do you accomplish this by coming between mom and dad at so called County Conversations by saying you can not sit in the same circle of chairs to discuss anything Elk Konnected ???
Nothing nor anyone comes between me and my wife, especially some privately owned company claiming to represent me to my County Commissioners, I sure hope you find that understandable?
I just don't see where your actions are conducive to strong families, would you please explain this for me?
Solid education What does that mean, does it mean we don't have good schools now ?
Superior Lifestyle
Huh ???
Please explain for this redneck, farm boy, hick ???
Is it that you don't like our lifestyle ???
"Stay with us as we grow!"
You are asking Elk County Citizens aren't you ???
What do you plan to grow into???
Goals:
Please explain each of the listed goals, so I may understand exactly what you are talking about ???
Youth Development
Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Please what are you going to coordinate ???
What are you going to develop in our youth ???
Are you going to get the approval of parents about this development ???
Will you please explain in plain English how this development might work beyond what is already available ???
Physical Image
Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Don't you mean just mimic what the individual communities already do for themselves ???
Community Wellness
Didn't your Wellness Center fail and shut down ???
We already have medical clinics where people go for wellness don't we ???
Or were you just referring to a workout center with exercise machines ???
Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
What does that mean before and after your Wellness Center failed ???
What type of infrastructure, how would it work ???
Community Standards
Each town has it's own ordinances, so please explain what you are talking about ???
Are you suggesting that each town lacks the ability to take care of their own community ???
Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
What exactly is the Elk Konnected community ???
Does it have any boundaries, city limits, county lines ???
What enforcement authority does Elk Konnected have out side of it being a private business ???
I can understand a private company having enforcement authority over it's own property maintenance standards, please explain if you are talking beyond that ???
Communication
Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
I believe we have that right here with the Elk County Forum and you tried that with the County Taxpayers Emergency Notification and Call System without proper authorization and angered a lot of people, so is there something else you are talking about ???
What patrons ??? Who are your patrons ???
For information contact: Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127
Does any of that make any sense to anyone ???
Would anyone try to help me understand what they are saying ???
So nobody else can make sense of it either, I guess ???What is Elk Konnected, LLC a private business doing to improve Elk County's
economic situation or to make Elk County a
better place to live?????
Just what can they do in this
World Wide Economic Crises?????
Who steers the steering committee?
Who are the admitted members who own, and run,
Elk Konnected?
Who is their Leader?
How can seven people in an organization with no leader and no registered membership speak for the entire population of Elk County?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Quote from: Howard Chamber of Commerce on October 03, 2011, 09:16:45 AM
To the editor:
...
The Elk Konnected Youth Development Action Team, with help from Jennifer Brummell, sponsored the the arm-power-generated whirligig ride, which proved to be a huge hit with the kids....
Sincerely,
Board of directors
Howard Chamber of Commerce
Not to detract from all the fun the kids may have had, but....
Sponsored? How about thanks to the county government who actually paid for this Elk Konnected promotion out of county funds as well as the taxpayers who paid for Brummell's time and mileage to support this self-serving Elk Konnected promotion.
Where the hell does Elk Konnected stop and county government begin? While Commissioner Hendricks may not see the line between private business/personal interest and government, real Americans should. The voters and taxpayers of this county don't exist to provide op-ed pieces for Elk Konnected!
If you haven't read Warph's thread about the subtle insurgence of the Communist party's efforts in America, perhaps you should...
The Commies are Coming... The Commies are Coming... Hell, They're Already Here!
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Wow! We really are paying for advertisement with tax dollars for a privatelly owned company an LLC aren't we ????
Wake up County Commissioners !!!!
Quote from: Ross on October 03, 2011, 04:46:02 PM
Wow! We really are paying for advertisement with tax dollars for a privatelly owned company an LLC aren't we ????
Wake up County Commissioners !!!!
It seems so. I understand that Elk Konnected held itself out as having provided the mechanical bull for Octoberfest in Grenola this past weekend as well by having signage to that effect. Facts are that Mr KR Liebau provided some personal monies to add to the funds provided from the county coffers and to offset some of Burmmell's taxpayer reimbursed mileage for her participation in the event. Right direction, Mr. Commissioner. Thanks.
Stay connected, citizens. You're paying for part of the show the show Elk Konnected is putting on. There IS a line between government and private enterprise, or there used to be. Who decided that Elk Konnected is the county's official provider of festival entertainment.... on the county's dime?
Are County Commissioners Meeting for making donations to private companies as well?
Or was that a tax deductable donation to ECCEF that would be redirected to Elk Konnected ?????
Sure, it's a nice gesture on Mr. Liebaus' part but, I thought County Commissioners meetings were for Elk County business?
Just where do you draw the line betwween Elk Konnected, LLC's (a private company) and Elk County Government business?
Can any private business request and recieve taxpayers dollars to rent a machine and advertise with their name one it?
Fer instance if the Curley "Q" in Moline were still open in Moline could it get money from the County Government and rent a Whirley Gig and set it up at Crazy Days and advertise with their name on it?????
I just don't understand how all this works, do you ?????
The Elk County Economic Development Director was seen putting up fliers for the upcoming Elk Konnected Kommunity Konversation in the Howard area today.
Were these advertisements of a private company's meeting printed on courthouse equipment by county employees government time as previous EK advertising has been? Was Ms Brummell being paid by taxpayers for her 'flier distribution' time? Will the taxpayers be reimbursing her for any mileage involved?
What the heck, it's only money. YOUR money.
By the way, when was the last time fresh rock made it to your road? How about a nice roadside mowing in your area? A bit of weed control? No? Well, money's tight, you know.
Stay connected, citizens.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
If you owned a company, were hosting a fair sized indoor meeting to promote your products or services and wanted security for the event.... wouldn't you expect to hire a private security firm? Or would you expect the taxpayers to front the cost by using on duty law enforcement officers?
I know in Wichita and elsewhere, businesses regularly use off duty law enforcement officers for their security needs, but the taxpayers aren't on the hook for the costs. The businesses pay the costs out of their own pockets.
Patriot that is true for Wichita. One reason is that off duty security/officers somewhat relieve the chief and city comission from some of the liability. Which possibly could include the intimidation of a private citizen in a public meeting, and or violating his/her right of free speech at the same. The Kansas Tort Claims Act is proof that big dodo really does flow up hill.
FYI I think the going rate for WPD off duty is $25.00/hr.
I could not judge because I have not ever been able to attend any of our "public meetings" to observe.......... Yet
Can other privately owned company's, LLC or business have The Elk Kounty Sheriff's department stand by at theiir locations for similar events ????
So ask while you are at the meeting, which I think must be right now. Never mind, I'm sure you are already there. Your list of questions must be long enough by now to roll right out the door. ;)
Well it was a meeting. Lots of talk, little substance and even less clarity. Obfuscation and half facts on several issues.
The taxpayer provided security detail was substantial. We have one sheriff and 3 deputies on the county payroll. The sheriff and two deputies were at this meeting, each in their own county vehicle. Wait, didn't the sheriff work a day shift today? Wow. Such dedication to Kommunity service. Three fourths of the county's law enforcement team providing 'security' at a meeting of about 37 people (more than half of whom are EK supporters) in the SW corner of the county.
Can we say o v e r k i l l ?
Your tax dollars at work?!? Hopefully there wasn't any criminal activity in the rest of the county tonight.
Stay connected, citizens. As we digest the information provided tonight, this could get interesting.
I attended the meeting. It was announced at the end of the meeting that the law enforcement officers donated their time.
I find it unfortunate you did not take advantage of tonight's meeting to verbalize your concerns or ask further questions.
Kate E. Perkins
Quote from: perkinscreekranch on October 05, 2011, 10:47:12 PM
I attended the meeting. It was announced at the end of the meeting that the law enforcement officers donated their time.
I find it unfortunate you did not take advantage of tonight's meeting to verbalize your concerns or ask further questions.
Kate E. Perkins
You've got to be kidding.... that comment was made by a guest as pure sarcasm. One of the deputies admitted in my hearing that they were on 'county time'. Let's not be so naive, please. Uniformed and armed LEOs in county vehicles? Donated time? Please.
I took full advantage of listening to the answers, explanations and rationalizations provided. There were lots of 'answers'... and we'll be analyzing them in detail in the hours & days to come. There was more than enough conflicting data in the prepared statements of the EK folks, no need clouding that with even more questions tonight.
Elk Konnected
Community Conversation
October 5, 2011
Some small changes in the Elk Konnected meeting.
NO CIRCLE OF CHAIRSNone of that you can't sit with you spouse, your neighbor, you can't sit with your friend.
Not many people showed up.
Where were all the Elk Konnected Followers??? First I counted
only 37 people in attendance and that included
Elk Konnected, LLC staff, leaders, members. (wait a minute I thought they didn't have any of that stuff ???)
Professional Facilitator Angie Baur
FROM Public Squares Communities, LLC of Leoti, Kansas. (not Elk County)
Elk Konnected, LLC's
attorney The Sheriff and 2 Deputies in full police gear including flack jackets and weapons
With county Sheriffs vehicles. (Is Elk Konnected expecting a riot at every one of their meeting ???)
if they were off duty and volunteering their time why were they driving County Vehicles and in full
uniform ?
Three County Commissioners.
And 3 children.
So not counting the County Commissioners, the Sheriff Department that was working, the Children and the Elik Konnected, LLC's staff and attorney and the paid Professional Facilitator, and all the Elk Konnected followers that did not show up. My best estimate is that only 20 or there about Elk County taxpaying, voters with citizenship in Elk County showed up.
This Elk Konnected, LLC function probably won't make the Headlines and FrontPage of the local newspaper. Personally, I had to leave early because of personal responsibilities, which was fine because I was getting fed-up with the dribble. The steering committe each one of them stood and read prepared speechesand it appeared to me they had trouble reading their prepared questions and answer papers that were apparently prepared for them by someone else. I wonder if they even understood what they were reading. My best guess would be the speeches were prepared by their attorney and/or Public Squares Communities, LLC.
As far as I am concerned Elk Konnected, LLC proved nothing, has changed nothing.
They still want/take funds from the Elk County Commissioners Recreational Fund. How many other privately owned companies in Elk County do the same to promote and advertise their privately owned business ??? An LLC is a privately owned business isn't it ???
Perhaps all the other privately owned business should consider asking the Elk Kounty Commissioners for money from the Recreational Fund to promote and advertise their business ??? Would the County Commissioners approve a $1000 here and a $1000 there for other companies ???
Elk Konnected, LLC you can reach a lot more than 20 people right here on this forum if your goal really is to communicate with the citizens of Elk County. Here is your greatest Opportunity to reach Elk County
WILL YOU TAKE IT ?
Ross & Patriot -
I don't understand. We provided a public forum for you to ask these questions and you chose not too. Yet you continue to bash us on this medium. WHY? If you don't like what we are doing, then what do you propose? How do you plan to get engage and make Elk County better than it is - and I did not say it was a bad place, I am just saying that I want it to be better. Myself and the steering committee have invested a lot of energy into trying to make Elk County better and yet you sit in the stand and criticize us for what we are doing. Why don't you get involved and try to help Elk County instead of spending HOURS criticizing those of us who are. Last night, we again asked people to become engaged, ask questions, offer ideas for further improvement and yet you choose not too... but then sit at home and post for hours nit picking every last thing we have done.
The steering committee members are all working USA citizens and Elk County Citizens who have 1,2,3 jobs in order to live here. We are all involved in many volunteer activities, which takes time away from our spouse and children. Yet we have decided to make this sacrifice to help all of Elk County. We have made a choice to live here and we have decided to get involved to make Elk County better. Has Elk Konnected done everything right – NO! Have we made mistakes – SURE WHO HASN'T! Are we willing to admit and try to correct them – MOST DEFINITELY! Are we getting rich off of Elk Konnected LLC – HECK NO! In fact, most of us would probably have been better off financially before getting involved. We would not have spent money driving to meetings, volunteering at youth activities, going to several towns to help clean up their physical image. BUT WE MADE A CHOICE TO NOT BE SELFISH AND TO VOLUNTEER!
Again if you don't like Elk Konnected – let's hear your plan....
Great response Liz, keep on keeping on, you are appreciated.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AMHow do you plan to get engage and make Elk County better than it is
That's pretty easy right there. Events for children and such are nice and all but in the grand scheme of things they will do NOTHING to actually improve the county. To actually improve the county we need more businesses and jobs available so that people can make more money in this area and from there they can personally invest back into the county to improve it (if they are working here making decent money they will be substantially less likely to purchase goods from out of town keeping more money in this area). You're going to have a hard time getting businesses and jobs here though with the huge tax burden.
Just like the problems we are having nationally, the county needs to slash spending and lower taxes. The taxes are so high here I'm surprised people have been able to stick around for as long as they have. I'm sure its getting too expensive for some people to even live here.
When we moved here from Indiana the tax on my parent's house here was as much as the tax on our house in Indiana. The house here is approx. 2500 sq. ft. The house in Indiana was approx. 4700 sq. ft. on 1 acre of land. At the time it was worth over double what the house here was worth yet they were paying the same amount in taxes.
Vehicle property taxes here are nearly double (or more... way more) than many other areas here.
With so few jobs in this area you simply cannot tax people that heavily and expect the county to somehow improve. Throwing tax payer's money at the problem doesn't work (as we know from history and even now from what Obama has been doing), especially when you throw money at stuff like children's activities. Children's activities will be the absolute least of our concern when people can no longer afford to even live here. The concern will be to get to somewhere, anywhere where they can make some money without being overly taxed so that they can at least provide the bare necessities for their children and themselves.
Edit: The above will definitely help but in the end we will not see the improvements people want until the federal government improves as well. Its actually probably going to get much worse, which is actually an even greater reason for the local governments to slash spending and lower taxes. That will allow people to use their money to prepare for the worst. I'm feeling that people are going to NEED to start buying as much long lasting food as they can because I feel that it is going to start getting really bad before long. Food and water is going to quickly become priority above all else if the system crashes. That is where the community getting together to help each other is going to be very important.
Quote from: frawin on October 06, 2011, 08:40:36 AM
Great response Liz, keep on keeping on, you are appreciated.
I agree! :D
Mark, your response makes more sense than most. I am a firm believer in having happy children, but what is wrong with letting children learn to play and make their own games? Why do people think you MUST ORGANIZE EVERYTHING?
Elk County needs a lot more than Organized play times --- We need some incentives for businesses to want to move here.
The counties around us are having some success with this -- maybe talking to them might be a good idea.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Ross & Patriot -
I don't understand.
First, to assume that Ross and are the only local folks who question the intent, operational integrity and long term value being provided by Elk Konnected, LLC. is lacking in perspective. There are many, many others. As to your lack of understanding... I opine that's true. As Commissioner Ritz said at a recent commission meeting discussion about EK's involvement with county government, "You just don't get it." With all do respect, I agree with him.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
We provided a public forum for you to ask these questions and you chose not too.
You provided a forum billed first as an opportunity for Elk Konnected to tell all about itself. And your partner and supporters attempted to do just that. You told we listened. I came to hear what you had to say. I heard, and I intend to analyze it honestly and carefully. But as we shall discover in days to come, your group provided many half truths and ill-conceived (or at least uninformed) answers to many questions that have been posted on this Forum. A Forum, by the way, that we were told last night that few, if any, of you even bother to read.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Yet you continue to bash us on this medium. WHY?
Bash? That's something of a sophomoric view, isn't it. We question here for several reasons. Here are three:
1. Because we are voters and taxpayers with every right to do so.
2. Because this format provides an open dialogue (like this one) unconstrained by time and distance and with time for careful reflection.
3. Because, based on actual viewership statistics, this thread is reaching over 2000 individual households as opposed to the 10 or 20 or even 200 folks who can (or will) drive to a facilitated Kommunity Konversation. Let's face it, facilitated is libspeak for guided/controlled.
Perhaps the better question is: Why have you avoided this Forum for some six months? It seems a damned sight cheaper in volunteer time, energy and money than putting on a 'facilitated' Konversation. It further doesn't involve the use of county paid law enforcement time and resources to provide some sense of security.
Which begs the question, who asked for all that security and did (or will) Elk Konnected reimburse the county for the time & fuel for that 'security'? Oh, the 'No concealed carry gun' signs were a nice touch. What ARE you afraid of?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
If you don't like what we are doing, then what do you propose?
What Elk Konnected does has never been the core issue. How Elk Konnected does whatever it is doing is. In that area, here are a couple of suggestions:
1. Make NO use of county resources (copiers, labor, mileage reimbursements, etc.) in connection with ANY Elk Konnected function.
2. When you get resources (funding, etc.) via Elk County, the Kansas Health Foundation, See-Kan, the ECCEF, or even the tooth fairy, stop branding your own program, and thank those who actually made the function possible in the first place. It's a positive thing to honestly give credit where credit is due.
3. Recuse yourself, Madam Commissioner, from ANY government vote on ANY disbursements of county controlled funds or resourses, to any private company, group or foundation where you have a private personal involvement, ownership, or management interest. We used to call that ethics in government. The avoidance of even the appearance of impropriety is a mark of character among elected officials. I think that was pointed out by a couple of guests last night. Guests who, by the way, don't post here.
4. Stop the disingenuous and de facto use of Jennifer Brummell as an Elk Konnected Employee when, in fact, she is being paid by the taxpayers to do work for the county taxpayers and voters. When a formal job description for a government employee lists specific tasks such as maintaining a private company's web/facebook presence as a function of a county job, something's wrong. Better yet, let Elk Konnected hire her and pay her to approach the commission from the outside for Elk Konnected's youth fund money needs.
5. Realize that, while youth are important, they are NOT the key issues facing Elk County. Mtcookson, is on the right track in his post above, and we had this discussion at a recent county commission meeting. Infrastructure, high taxes, limited employment opportunity, aging population, high welfare rates and other issues are. West Elk, USD 282, has a budget of over $9 million in taxpayer funds for the 'development' of our youth. All Elk Konnected seems to be doing is providing entertainment oportunities for them.
Those are a few by by no means the only possibilities.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
How do you plan to get engage and make Elk County better than it is - and I did not say it was a bad place, I am just saying that I want it to be better. Myself and the steering committee have invested a lot of energy into trying to make Elk County better and yet you sit in the stand and criticize us for what we are doing. Why don't you get involved and try to help Elk County instead of spending HOURS criticizing those of us who are. Last night, we again asked people to become engaged, ask questions, offer ideas for further improvement and yet you choose not too... but then sit at home and post for hours nit picking every last thing we have done.
The steering committee members are all working USA citizens and Elk County Citizens who have 1,2,3 jobs in order to live here. We are all involved in many volunteer activities, which takes time away from our spouse and children. Yet we have decided to make this sacrifice to help all of Elk County. We have made a choice to live here and we have decided to get involved to make Elk County better. Has Elk Konnected done everything right – NO! Have we made mistakes – SURE WHO HASN'T! Are we willing to admit and try to correct them – MOST DEFINITELY! Are we getting rich off of Elk Konnected LLC – HECK NO! In fact, most of us would probably have been better off financially before getting involved. We would not have spent money driving to meetings, volunteering at youth activities, going to several towns to help clean up their physical image. BUT WE MADE A CHOICE TO NOT BE SELFISH AND TO VOLUNTEER!
Again if you don't like Elk Konnected – let's hear your plan....
Nobody here is saying Elk County is a bad place. Actually it's a good place with tremendous upward potential. But the rest of your speech has a real martyr tone to it. Since you and your group chose to do what you're doing and take on such a public role, then you are inviting critique in a free society. It's sometimes hot in the kitchen. But you aren't martyrs, so don't expect a martyr's eulogy. You claim one of your objectives is to engage the citizens. Well you have. Just because the engagement isn't on your exclusive terms, in your exclusive format, and according to your progress plan, is unfortunate, but it simply is.
Now, please don't try blame shifting with us. We aren't the ones with the grand plan, you are. Perhaps one of the most honest statements last night was made by one of your steering committee members. She said, "We're just a bunch of ignorant volunteers." True perhaps for many volunteers, Mrs. Hendricks, but I think not for you and a select few others.
We own property in several counties in Texas, property in Oklahoma and Property in Kansas, including Elk County and we don't think the taxes in Elk County are that much higher than any others we have. In fact we are looking at buying more property in Elk County. We have been discussing building a home in Howard or the immediate area. I was born and raised in Howard along with 15 brothers and sisters and it will always be home to me. The constant petty posts about EK and complaints about providing fun and entertainment for the young people have made us have second thoughts about building there.
mt, you make some good points about government spending and no one disagrees, yes there is wasteful spending but more so at the higher levels than local. Our commisioners and other county leaders have a very small budget in the grand scheme of things. They are much more mindful and cautionary in their spending because the budget is small enough that they know where every dime is being spent. Unlike the national government who spends a couple million dollars without even blinking an eye. The reason our taxes are so high is because we have a low population, the taxes are spread out between fewer people. How do we lower taxes? Let's bring in more people. Since we don't have an overabundance of job openings with our current local businesses, we are going to have to encourage entrepreneurs. Our best chance of drawing those people and keeping them here is to start local. Elk Konnected is looking long term. EK is not just providing these activities to the children so everyone will have something to do this weekend. They are helping to improve the communities image of itself and hopefully instilling into the children a sense of hometown pride; so they won't graduate from High School and say "I'm getting the he** out of this place" like so many of them are currently doing. EK wants them to realize that this is the kind of place they want to raise their kids when they have them. If my husband and I were not from here, there would not have been much that would drawn us to this area. But because we already knew some of it's benefits, we were drawn back, it just felt right. That is what EK is trying to accomplish. EK is not just comfortable to sit back and complain about everything that is wrong. We see the declining population as our community's eventual demise and we feel a strong need to turn it around. Why is that so wrong to some people?
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
That is what EK is trying to accomplish. EK is not just comfortable to sit back and complain about everything that is wrong. We see the declining population as our community's eventual demise and we feel a strong need to turn it around. Why is that so wrong to some people?
Nothing wrong with those objectives at all. Could you share, with some specificity, how you are accomplishing those objectives and what gains have been made in the last 5 or six years from your efforts?
If you want Elk County to survive take care of our own. Most all of the business in the county are ran by people that grew up here. Batson's, Cookson's, Lanning's, Toot's, PEP, Mills Feed, Double-C, Crooked Creek, County Wide Trash, Mc Donald Propane and plenty more. Not to mention the farm families, school and county employees. And a lot of them are into the 2nd and 3rd generations of that family running the business. The county is led by people from here. Very rarely does someone from out of town come in and start a business. Would it be great if we could entice a new business to come in and set up shop, sure. But it just doesn't happen too often. Never has. If we want to stay alive we need to take care of ourselves and our kids.
I agree the property taxes are a major problem. And infrastructure is too. But cutting activities for kids is not beneficial to gaining or retaining young families in our community.
Quote from: Patriot on October 06, 2011, 12:01:50 PM
Nothing wrong with those objectives at all. Could you share, with some specificity, how you are accomplishing those objectives and what gains have been made in the last 5 or six years from your efforts?
As I said, it is a long term plan. The children that have partaken in the activities are only "5 or six" years older than they were when we started; not really enough time to see if we are growing any entrepreneurs quit yet.
Quote from: mtcookson on October 06, 2011, 09:25:58 AM
Edit: The above will definitely help but in the end we will not see the improvements people want until the federal government improves as well. Its actually probably going to get much worse, which is actually an even greater reason for the local governments to slash spending and lower taxes. That will allow people to use their money to prepare for the worst. I'm feeling that people are going to NEED to start buying as much long lasting food as they can because I feel that it is going to start getting really bad before long. Food and water is going to quickly become priority above all else if the system crashes. That is where the community getting together to help each other is going to be very important.
We are already there. There is no way we can afford to sustain ourselves at the cost of everything now. My feed cost has doubled in the last year, Not the fault of any county per se but the fact that the feds are fubaring the entire economy so that it drives the cost of everything up. The feed cost alone is attributed to the foolish decision to subsidize and create fuel from our food source. That alone will drive the ranchers out of business in the county as well as any small cottage farms that might produce some things like milk or eggs. Right now i spend 45 dollars in feed just for eggs. To make enough money out of it in sales of eggs just to meet feed costs i'm going to have to charge at a minimum of 2.25 a dozen for eggs. Theres no way to meet the feed costs any other way.
You are absolutely right about the tax burden. That is going to be the number one thing that is going to kill communities all across the country. When we as taxpayers have to slash our budgets so that we can meet the bills, then Government has to do the same thing. They shouldn't be able to waste our dollars on non essentials. They also should not waste dollars on trying to bring in new business or in the very least not spend it on pie in the sky only benefiting some individuals in bringing business here. The business's should be contributing to the tax burden, not getting a free ride. Thats what I see is so distasteful over the windfarm project. It doesn't benefit the county at all. It is a interesting quandary. Take what is being paid into the windfarm deal and use it to lower the tax burden or use the funds to bring in industry. I can see both arguments. One is a guaranteed result, lower taxes the other is a risk.
Its a mess and i don't see a way out of it outside of cutting Government both federal, state and local to the bone. There should be absolutely no fat on their budget. Nothing extra to spend on frivolous projects. Time for citizens as well as government to grow up and say ok we gotta do this the hard way. We have to do what our grandparents did in the depression and knock out all the waste. Time to learn how to make lincoln squeel by pinching the hell out of him!
Quote from: frawin on October 06, 2011, 11:39:16 AM
We own property in several counties in Texas, property in Oklahoma and Property in Kansas, including Elk County and we don't think the taxes in Elk County are that much higher than any others we have. In fact we are looking at buying more property in Elk County. We have been discussing building a home in Howard or the immediate area. I was born and raised in Howard along with 15 brothers and sisters and it will always be home to me. The constant petty posts about EK and complaints about providing fun and entertainment for the young people have made us have second thoughts about building there.
Oh but i too own property in Georgia another state whos taxes are extremely high. Yet i've seen the same acreage as well as buildings and elk's taxes are 3 times that of the property i have. For a county as small as elk is the taxes should be 3 times less than the taxes i pay on my property in Georgia.
Quote from: patriotdad on October 06, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
If you want Elk County to survive take care of our own. Most all of the business in the county are ran by people that grew up here. Batson's, Cookson's, Lanning's, Toot's, PEP, Mills Feed, Double-C, Crooked Creek, County Wide Trash, Mc Donald Propane and plenty more. Not to mention the farm families, school and county employees. And a lot of them are into the 2nd and 3rd generations of that family running the business. The county is led by people from here. Very rarely does someone from out of town come in and start a business. Would it be great if we could entice a new business to come in and set up shop, sure. But it just doesn't happen too often. Never has. If we want to stay alive we need to take care of ourselves and our kids.
I agree the property taxes are a major problem. And infrastructure is too. But cutting activities for kids is not beneficial to gaining or retaining young families in our community.
One of the things folks don't realize is that there are individuals that are growing a business as we speak that has the potential to provide jobs in the future. It just takes time to grow it. I am speaking of myself and another family in elk county that are working together to build it up. Its just one idea we have and are attempting to survive the economic times as well as the weather patterns.
We've started apiaries and hope to have in the next 5 years a income producing venture that will grow exponentially and eventually turning into a honey packing house. Once we get over 2000 hives we'll be forced to hire people to help. Theres no way to handle that many hives effectively without hiring and it doesn't stop there.
There is also another part of it, growing and selling bees to other apiaries around the country. Right now the middle of the US is vacant of any bee breeders around. Everyone orders from east coast, west coast or Texas. So We are in the middle and ripe for a supplier of bees to many apiaries in Missouri, neb, Oklahoma, and on and on.
On top of that, honey packing houses. It would be a hell of a business to open up one in this county. Its central and there are many apiaries that sell their honey in bulk but it goes out of state instead of here. Why? All you need is a receiving place, a extractor for local hives, and a packing machine. Quite frankly one could set one up for less than 200,000 dollars. Honey comes in in barrels and goes out in jars to places like wally world or dillons. ect. ect. ect.
Simple business like that would provide quite a few jobs. It would also bring in tax revenue. Doesn't need hundreds of acres to operate and doesn't suck up a lot of resources to do.
The other idea has been presented before, why not start up a meat processing plant. Doesn't hve to be big. You have beef, goat, sheep, all kinds of animals here that could supply the local areas with fine product. Don't think that wouldn't be successful!
I hear all the time how highly educated the elk county kids are. So if they are all that and then some then why not high tech industry. Bring in a computer company, techs company, techs manufacturing company. There are many companies that would do so if they had possible talent they could train. AND being high techs it would not require things like a rail road coming through.
Tourism is nice but it has its limitations. What about working with those folks that are growing business's. Advise, support them with experience, Put some of those grant acquisitions to good use in helping small guys to get much needed cash influx to grow it to the point it supports itself. Right now i can go on-line and i can go search for grants and run into every roadblock known to man getting the grants. Wouldn't a county with experience at getting such a grant do more by helping to get them and to act as the dispersing agent to these small start-ups do more to ensure the county's survival?
Just a few ideas here.
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
mt, you make some good points about government spending and no one disagrees, yes there is wasteful spending but more so at the higher levels than local.
Those problems start at the local levels of goveernment and need to be corrected first. And that is what this thread is about.
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Our commisioners and other county leaders have a very small budget in the grand scheme of things.
That is quite correct. However, when county commissioners can not determine who they are to serve and by that I mean when a county commissioner can not distinguish between jobs something is wrong. What other private company is allowed to recieve funds from the Elk County Recretion Fund?
NONE Only Elk Konnected, LLC.
Why?
Because it's founder is a County Commissioner?
2 out of three County Commissioners represent Elk Konnected so when a vote is taken at the Commissioners meeting those two can pass anything they want for Elk Konnected, LLC.
How is Elk konnected, LLC's controlling or County Government going to improve out image?
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Unlike the national government who spends a couple million dollars without even blinking an eye. The reason our taxes are so high is because we have a low population, the taxes are spread out between fewer people. How do we lower taxes? Let's bring in more people.
How are Elk Konnected, LLC's
lollipops at taxpayers expense going to bring in more people?
Where do you have homes for these people you plan to bring in?
Where are the jobs for these people if you bring them in?
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Since we don't have an overabundance of job openings with our current local businesses, we are going to have to encourage entrepreneurs. Our best chance of drawing those people and keeping them here is to start local.
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
Elk Konnected is looking long term. EK is not just providing these activities to the children so everyone will have something to do this weekend. They are helping to improve the communities image of itself
How is manipulation by a circle of chairs and a trained professional facilitator to control so called Community Conversations and having the Sheriff's Deputies at these so call Conversations improving our County's image?
How is taking money form county coffers by a private company and using it to promote iiself helping the County image?
Why isn't that money provided to the various communities for their use with in their festivals, etc?
What community does Elk Konnect, LLC a private company have?
I know of several communitties within Elk County, but I don't know of or can't find an Elk Konnected, Community on the map?
Oh wait a minute you are talking a fantasy community, right? Now, that has got to be real good for Elk County's image?
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
and hopefully instilling into the children a sense of hometown pride; so they won't graduate from High School and say "I'm getting the he** out of this place" like so many of them are currently doing.
So this sounds like an attempt to control the children with lollipops. Did you ever leave Elk County?
Many kids in my towns and cities want to grow up, stretch their wings and fly. For many reasons, perhaps they are sick of the hick life, country living, perhaps to travel or even to serve their country. As they mature, they may return. Ii returned to Kansas, but I did not return to my home town. The community image and all the lollipops in the world will not change that.
Or is it just another attempt to capitalize on the children of Elk County?
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
EK wants them to realize that this is the kind of place they want to raise their kids when they have them. If my husband and I were not from here, there would not have been much that would drawn us to this area. But because we already knew some of it's benefits, we were drawn back, it just felt right. That is what EK is trying to accomplish. EK is not just comfortable to sit back and complain about everything that is wrong. We see the declining population as our community's eventual demise and we feel a strong need to turn it around. Why is that so wrong to some people?
So you did leave Elk County, why did you leave? Was it to go to college? Was it to get a job so you could by your store?
Kids are going to leave for their own personal reasons as well.
Either it is there for each individual person or it is not, Elk Konnected, LLC can not put it there for them.
Or is it just another attempt to capitalize on the children of Elk County?
Since, you want to talk national on this thread, what can Elk Konnected, LLC do about the national financial crisis?
That's what I thought, so let's keep it local, shall we?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Ross & Patriot -
I don't understand. We provided a public forum for you to ask these questions and you chose not too. Yet you continue to bash us on this medium. WHY?
We, not me, provided you a very public forum through The Elk County Forum we invited you to Communicate right here and it has taken you months to respond.
But, first you respond with your little tiny meeting being represented by a non-Elk County Citizen, your lawyer, your Sheriff and Deputies. I informed you, I would attend but would not interact. I did exactly what I said I would do. I don't happen to see that out of Elk Konnected, LLC.
I don't especially appreciate totally controlled atmospheres, utilizing intimidation.
I do believe you are twisting things a bit. You do that quite a bit with words and terminology in my personal opinion.
But if you believe asking questions of Elk Konnected, LLC or our County Commissioner bashing, then bashing it is?
Try answering these question's:
Why should a privately owned company have access to County Funds to promote themselves?
Do you not recognize advertising?
As County Commissioner will you permit othe privately owned company's and business' access to the same funds?
Why did you as County Commissioner write a letter to Elk Konnected, LLC praising yourself?
As Ciounty Commissioner you represent me and every citizen in Elk County, right?
Have you recieved consent from the citizens of Elk County to represent them with praising Elk Konnected, LLC or using our County to represent that other private company Public Squares Communities, LLC ----- your other employer?
You are Elk Konnected aren't you?
You have claimed to be the founding member, haven't you?
Aren't you also the founder of ECCEF?
And will you tell me that you see no conflit of interest in any of this?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? " Why did Elk Konnected, LLC fail at it's only attempt of running it's business, the Wellness Center?
If Elk Konnected, LLC can't run a business how can they possibly save Elk County from it's self?
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Quote from: frawin on October 06, 2011, 11:39:16 AMThe constant petty posts about EK and complaints about providing fun and entertainment for the young people have made us have second thoughts about building there.
At the cost of tax payers who have no say in it while at the very same time are being told it is being paid with tax money... if you have any issue with people bringing that up... I simply have no words.
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 11:42:00 AM
mt, you make some good points about government spending and no one disagrees, yes there is wasteful spending but more so at the higher levels than local. Our commisioners and other county leaders have a very small budget in the grand scheme of things. They are much more mindful and cautionary in their spending because the budget is small enough that they know where every dime is being spent. Unlike the national government who spends a couple million dollars without even blinking an eye.
I disagree. If they are handing money out to private companies/individuals/etc. they are not being cautionary. If they would run the county based on how the founders envisioned the U.S. running, as per the constitution, they would limit their spending to only the necessities that keep the county running. Private companies and individuals then keep more of their money so that they can invest/spend it on whatever they want and need.
When the county taxes too much and hands out money on things that aren't necessary it is wasteful and businesses and individuals can no longer spend/invest as much.
QuoteThe reason our taxes are so high is because we have a low population, the taxes are spread out between fewer people.
That isn't correct. Yes, a lower population means the county will not have
as much revenue as a larger county but at the same time they don't need as much revenue as a larger county to operate. If high population meant lower taxes Sedgwick county should have one of the lowest property taxes in Kansas but, based off of Sedgwick county's vehicle property tax estimator, it does not. They
are lower than Elk's taxes but they are not the lowest.
Using Sedgwick's calculator the top 3 lowest property tax of the counties they have listed all have populations under 8,000. The following two lowest counties have populations of 21,604 and 22,952. The highest, being nearly double of the last two, has a population of 21,607. Elk County is even higher than the highest on that list (using my motorcycle as an example Labette, being the highest, is 153.69. Elk is right over $190. Morris is the lowest at $37.00 with a population of 5,923).
As an example, If I were to register all of my vehicles in Morris county I would save nearly $1,000 a year. :o
QuoteHow do we lower taxes? Let's bring in more people.
More people will mean more revenue but, as stated above, is not needed to lower taxes. Making the county cut spending and only spend money on what it
needs to operate is how we lower taxes.
QuoteSince we don't have an overabundance of job openings with our current local businesses, we are going to have to encourage entrepreneurs. Our best chance of drawing those people and keeping them here is to start local. Elk Konnected is looking long term. EK is not just providing these activities to the children so everyone will have something to do this weekend. They are helping to improve the communities image of itself and hopefully instilling into the children a sense of hometown pride; so they won't graduate from High School and say "I'm getting the he** out of this place" like so many of them are currently doing.
Encouraging entrepreneurs is always a good thing but children's activities and "looking good" will not have near the effect that a lower tax burden would. Businesses must have money to run. If they can't make money, they won't survive. If their costs are lower elsewhere than they are here, I doubt any amount of children's activities and good looks would ever attract a business to come here. It just would not make any business sense at all to do it.
As far as high school students wanting to get out of here, again... children's activities and good looks are no incentive to bring them back. They have to go out to either get a job or go to college then get a job. If there are no job opportunities here or its too expensive to start a business here, there is no reason to come back besides simply liking this area or family and friends.
QuoteEK wants them to realize that this is the kind of place they want to raise their kids when they have them. If my husband and I were not from here, there would not have been much that would drawn us to this area. But because we already knew some of it's benefits, we were drawn back, it just felt right. That is what EK is trying to accomplish. EK is not just comfortable to sit back and complain about everything that is wrong. We see the declining population as our community's eventual demise and we feel a strong need to turn it around. Why is that so wrong to some people?
Nothing wrong with trying to improve the county... unless its being done wrong, and that's exactly how I see it being done right now. Like I've said, the county is doing things that historically and currently do not work.
Quote from: patriotdad on October 06, 2011, 12:33:16 PMI agree the property taxes are a major problem. And infrastructure is too. But cutting activities for kids is not beneficial to gaining or retaining young families in our community.
At the cost of taking more money from those families and other families who don't even have children... I completely disagree.
Its simple. If you want activities for children ask the people for DONATIONS. Do NOT use tax money to do the activities, it will only hurt the population and its potential in the long run... as we can clearly tell both now and from history.
Quote from: frawin on October 06, 2011, 11:39:16 AM
The constant petty posts about EK and complaints about providing fun and entertainment for the young people have made us have second thoughts about building there.
The constant use of our children to make Elk Konnected, LLC appear as doing good is far worse. That they may be using our children for the company's gain in popularity and using them to advertise for Elk Konnected, LLC a private company, don't you find that a bit more disturbing?
As far as your comment about concerned citizens as a cause not to move here that is lame to say the least. A person would think a concerned citizenship would be a plus.
So much for your boost for Elk Konnected.
And repition is the same tool Elk Konnected, LLC uses, but it's not good for anyone else to use, is that what you are saying?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Ross & Patriot -
Again if you don't like Elk Konnected – let's hear your plan....
I have not heard your plan yet, what is it?
Please be specific.
Please, Don't use the kids for some future event twenty years from now.
If you really believe lollipops are the trick, let the individual communities keep their idenity and let them use the recreational funds to promote their own communities and provide for the children.
How is your interference in the individual communities helping the county?
How is Elk Konnected mimicing what the communities have been doing, ie, Longton and Elk Valley's Community Service in cleaning up the town?
If Howard didn't from West Elk perhaps that was because West Elk is not in the City Limits of Howard, don't you suppose?
But, lets please hear your plan in detail.
Instead of just saying superior schools explain just what you mean by that and how you plan to change it. Would it be that you don't think we have good teachers or is it staff. What is inferior about our schools?
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
2) I agree with Frank Winn - I wonder when people google "Elk Co" and they come across the Forum - does it entice them to move here or scare them away?
3) Ross & Patriot - you have both been at public meetings and yet you will not have a one on one conversation with me and ask these questions to my face and allow us to have civil dialogue .... why not?
Questions - with my attempt to answer.
A) Why should a privately owned company have access to County Funds to promote themselves?Elk Konnected is one of several organization that has used money from the Parks and Recreation fund which is not a property tax, but a liquor tax and come from the sale of liquor at private club (of which Elk County has one - Flint Oak) Over the past 6 years, money has been paid to City of Howard - Fireworks, City of Longton - Fireworks and Park improvement, Elk Co 4-H - Firework, Elk Co Rodeo assn - Firework, Howard Chamber of Commerce - Jackson Park, Elk Co Junior Jam - Basketball equipment, Longton Summer Ball - Ball equipment, Grenola Comm. Building - Improvements, Howard Ball Club - Ball Equipment and Elk Konnected.
B) Do you not recognize advertising? This concern was aired last night and the steering committee heard it. I now see why there is a perception issue and I will try to have that addressed at our next steering committee meeting.
C)As County Commissioner will you permit othe privately owned company's and business' access to the same funds? None of the money requested from the Parks & Rec fund has gone to Elk Konnected LLC. According to the records supplied to me by the County Treasurer as of 6.23.11, the Parks fund reimbursed Richard Fish for the purchase of outdoor movie equipment and David Whetstone for the purchase of soccer equipment & pitch hit and Run equipment or ECCEF for soccer equipment. Again the way the statue is written moneys in Parks & Recreation special funds shall be under the direction and control of the board of county commissioners. Moneys in the special parks and recreation fund may be expended only for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities.
D)Why did you as County Commissioner write a letter to Elk Konnected, LLC praising yourself?The letter you are referring to was written to Elk Konnected and printed in the Kansas Country Living. I was paid by Public Square Communities to write that letter. I think it is important to recognize the progress that has been made to date.
E)As County Commissioner you represent me and every citizen in Elk County, right?
I do, however I am elected from District 2 of Elk County.
D)Have you received consent from the citizens of Elk County to represent them with praising Elk Konnected, LLC or using our County to represent that other private company Public Squares Communities, LLC ----- your other employer?
I don't see where I have to get the consent of the citizens. Are you saying every time I am asked to speak or write about Elk Konnected, the county, my real estate job, my husband and my business - I need to get the permission of the Elk County voters - how do I go about doing that - holding an election at the taxpayer's cost - really?
E) You are Elk Konnected aren't you? You have claimed to be the founding member, haven't you?
I have been on the steering committee since 2007. Yes I was one of the founding members. I am not Elk Konnected - I am a member of the steering committee.
D)Aren't you also the founder of ECCEF?
I was asked to serve on ECCEF from its conception. Have not served on its board since I believe May or June 2005.
E)And will you tell me that you see no conflit of interest in any of this?
No I do not. I am on Elk Konnected Steering committee and have not been on ECCEF since 2005. Elk Konnected did not start using ECCEF until 2007.
F) In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
What other questions do you have regarding Elk Konnected LLC
G) Why did Elk Konnected, LLC fail at it's only attempt of running it's business, the Wellness Center? One of the original goals of Elk Konnected in 2007 that came from the citizens of Elk County and Severy area was "Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network". The Wellness team tried it and due to lack of membership closed the doors. However a family in Howard have since purchased the equipment and are dedicated to keeping the wellness center open. So is this a failure or did we pass it on to private industry?
H) If Elk Konnected, LLC can't run a business how can they possibly save Elk County from it's self? The five original goals of Elk Konnected in 2007 were more about quality of life. These goals came about through interviewing 58 civic minded individuals from all four sectors (Business, Education, Human Services, and Government), it came from 140 surveys, then that information was presented at an open community conversation. 126 people chose to spend two hours talking about the future of their community, then they nominated 51 "visionaries" to develop their goals and vision. These 51 visionaries took the information from the community conversation and sifted it down to 5 goals and our vision. At that time, lower taxes, job development, smaller government were not the forefront of what people wanted for our community. We never intended to be in business. It would have been nice if the wellness center could have been self sustaining. However the committee also decided not to ask for more donations to keep it running.
Quote from: jprxmkt on October 06, 2011, 12:41:36 PM
As I said, it is a long term plan. The children that have partaken in the activities are only "5 or six" years older than they were when we started; not really enough time to see if we are growing any entrepreneurs quit yet.
Entrepreneurs? What have they learned? That you can go to Longton and play on a waterslide during the free fair? That you can go to Moline for Crazy Days and climb a rock wall? That you can go to Grenola's Oktoberfest and ride a mechanical bull? That you can spend a couple of hours on a few Saturday mornings in one of the towns and learn to play soccer? You want them to come back to this county someday after getting an education and invest in this county, but all you are showing them is how to have fun and FUN is not an incentive to invest money into a county with NO other things going for it. Is it just an indoctrination of everyone's children that can attend an EK sponsored program without mentioning that Elk County is the one that put the money up. You say you can drop out of Public Squares at anytime. Why don't you? You would have more money by not paying for their "advice," according to your meeting last night over $15,000 has been given to Public Squares. You can do a lot of good things with $15,000! Money that you pay an "outside" program could have been used for Elk County's children that you care so much about! That's a helluva lot of money paid out to not expect any return from it. Maybe, you could've even used that money to pay for your own security instead of involving a Sheriff and two deputies. We have no problem with the Sheriff and/or his deputies attending an EK event, just NOT on the TAXPAYER'S DIME! It was nice to see 3 county Sheriff pickups stationed at different points. It was nice to see Doug, Danny and the other guy at a PEACEFUL PUBLIC MEETING with full battle gear and bullet proof vests on. It was also nice to hear from one of them that the east side of the county was safe because I was at this meeting. Way to go for defamation of character on the county's dime! I'm so glad that I still had my tape recorder on at the time!
It was stated last night by Julie Englebrecht that Elk Konnected DID NOT sponsor the Lawrence Arts Event; This statement was made after Liz Hendricks corrected her that EK DID NOT sponsor it. According to EK's Facebook Page: Elk Konnected Students that are wanting to attend the Summer Art Program at the Lawrence Art Center please return the registration form to Jennifer Brummel as soon as possible. If you are unable to get it in by tomorrow please call Jennifer at 620-205-8514.---If Elk Konnected DID NOT sponsor this event, WHY is it on ELK KONNECTED'S FACEBOOK PAGE? What else are they taking credit for that they DID NOT do? And why is it that one of EK's most prominent starter members is the person who was at the school handing out the permission slips?
It was stated that they became an LLC because there "was not enough time to file Non Profit Tax Exempt status with the IRS." Are you now Non-Profit? I'm only asking because why was EK in such a rush that they couldn't simply wait and take the time to file the paperwork? Was someone else going to come in and take EK away from you all? Where are you getting your profits from if you are a For Profit company? Have you spent all of the grant money that was received for the Day Camps after buying snacks and dollar store toys and paying high school kids to "volunteer" or is there money leftover from that that would be considered "profit?" (By the way, PAYING for VOLUNTEER work is NOT a good life lesson!)
Does Jennifer Brummel's mileage reimbursement come out of her $10,000 salary for Youth Development/Elk Konnected? Also does that $10,000 salary cover the updating of the Elk Konnected Facebook page at various times throughout the week? Or is that "volunteer work" being done on County time as is suggested by the times of the updates. It would seem that Ms. Brummel spends more time doing Elk Konnected work than her County duties, as stated in the job description.
According to Andrea Arbuckle, "If it wasn't for EK, there wouldn't be an event happening. WE are the ones doing it." Longton has had a Free Fair for years. Moline has had Crazy Days for years. Grenola has had Oktoberfest for years. Howard's had the Elk River Festival for years. Does EK get to take credit for EVERYTHING? Credit was even tried to be taken for the Community Cleanup Days that EK "sponsored"...one of which is an annual event for the school kids in Longton. I am glad they are not taking credit for that now and have given credit to "taking from what Longton does." Instead of grant money being given to EK for various events throughout the county, how about the grant money is just given to EACH CITY so EACH CITY can decide what to do to make their event more joyful? Then there would be NO NEED for EK and nothing for all of us to gripe about!
"We are Unprofessional Volunteers...Ignorant Volunteers...."---Not all of you are "unprofessional volunteers"---Liz Hendricks is a paid Community and Operations Facilitator FOR Public Squares Communities. Does that mean we now know WHO steers the Steering Committee? If i'm wrong, I don't have an answer to that question that has been asked here many, many times so I guess I'll have to just write it down in my "parking lot" section to come back and visit it later. ---The Hillbillys, Robert and Jennifer Walker
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
2) I agree with Frank Winn - I wonder when people google "Elk Co" and they come across the Forum - does it entice them to move here or scare them away?
3) Ross & Patriot - you have both been at public meetings and yet you will not have a one on one conversation with me and ask these questions to my face and allow us to have civil dialogue .... why not?
Questions - with my attempt to answer.
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Again - well said - thanks!
I'm not jumping on ya just do not see how the one section i responded to was even allowed. Its tainted data and should have never been used as a data sampling of the wish's of the county residents. There are no controls on it. There is nothing to ensure that its a true sampling.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
H) If Elk Konnected, LLC can't run a business how can they possibly save Elk County from it's self? The five original goals of Elk Konnected in 2007 were more about quality of life. These goals came about through interviewing 58 civic minded individuals from all four sectors (Business, Education, Human Services, and Government), it came from 140 surveys, then that information was presented at an open community conversation. 126 people chose to spend two hours talking about the future of their community, then they nominated 51 "visionaries" to develop their goals and vision. These 51 visionaries took the information from the community conversation and sifted it down to 5 goals and our vision. At that time, lower taxes, job development, smaller government were not the forefront of what people wanted for our community. We never intended to be in business. It would have been nice if the wellness center could have been self sustaining. However the committee also decided not to ask for more donations to keep it running.
140 people aka surveys out of 2882 people in the county. that amounts to 4.8577377% of the population. Thats without the 400 or so based on school records. That really doesn't qualify as a sampling of the county as a whole.
By my calculations 140 was far short of the needed surveys to get a accurate reading of random sampling of the county.
#1 - How many survey respondents do you need?
Specify your desired error level and population size below and click calculate. The numbers next to each confidence level indicate how many people need to complete your survey to achieve the specified error level.
How much error are you willing to tolerate?
If you are not sure, try somewhere between 3% and 6%
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How many people are in your population? 2482 at 5% error
245 90% Confidence
333 95% Confidence
524 99% Confidence
#2 - How many people do you need to send the survey to?
How many people need to complete the survey? 524
From Calculator #1 above
What is your estimated response rate? 50%
What % of people do you expect to complete the survey? 524
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Send the survey to people 1048
#3 - How accurate are your survey results?
How many people are in your population? 2842
How many people completed your survey? 524
Error Level
90% Confidence 3.2%
95% Confidence 3.8%
99% Confidence 3.5%
This would give a true consensus on what was important to the county. 140 is not enough to sample what is the main concerns of the county. Secondly it should be randomly picked out on who to mail to not handed out in a store, or in the meeting. If any of the companies i worked for did that it would be considered tainted data. They required a true sampling. Sure handing it out at meetings and to friends and at the stores ect is easier but its deceptive as folks that tend to agree with each other tend to give to other folks that agree with their views.
What you have here with only 140 surveys is a super minority.
EVEN IF you take half of these figures and only mail to households, you still end up with only 8% of the population +- 5% which is still not representative of the county. 25% would be and 30 would be even better. Shoot mail one to every voter and if 50% respond you got a 50% concensus. But only 4% +- 5% thats not even fair.
You want a quality of life for elk county, increase jobs, decrease taxes, attract business to the county. Thats where quality of life goes up. When it comes, you end up with all these things as a byproduct. Shoot, i've lived in small towns for most my life. And parks and rec was obviously a portion of the county budget but i'll tell ya, the taxpayers in most of the counties i lived in never footed the bill for new equipment, new ball park, new pools and new this that and the other. The business's that were courted and brought into the counties gave the parks and facilities as a gift to the community. They tend to do that when they feel part of the community as they grow and profit.
According to Andrea Arbuckle, "If it wasn't for EK, there wouldn't be an event happening. WE are the ones doing it." Longton has had a Free Fair for years. Moline has had Crazy Days for years. Grenola has had Oktoberfest for years. Howard's had the Elk River Festival for years. Does EK get to take credit for EVERYTHING? Credit was even tried to be taken for the Community Cleanup Days that EK "sponsored"...one of which is an annual event for the school kids in Longton. I am glad they are not taking credit for that now and have given credit to "taking from what Longton does."
Obviously this is my first time posting so I have no idea how you quote a previous post. I just copied and pasted it so you'd know what I was referring to - this was posted by kshillbillys. It is easy for all of you to take part of what we say and twist it to fit your needs. If you are going to quote me, please feel free to provide all info instead of just a small bit of my answer to the question. For those of you who weren't at the meeting and would like to hear the rest of that interaction between myself and Robin Rivers. She wondered why EK was listed as a sponsor of events that were funded otherwise, ie Parks and Rec funds. I explained that EK was a sponsor for putting the planning and man hours into set up and securing funding for the event. In those specific instances the event likely wouldn't have happened if EK hadn't brought it about. For instance did we have Outdoor movies before EK, did we have rock walls at crazy days, water slides at either fair, mechanical bull at Grenola Octoberfest? No we didn't. Were other groups capable of doing the same thing we did - absolutely!! In which case, I'm sure they would have "sponsored" it. This is much like Howard Chamber sponsoring Ek River fest, Moline Chamber sponsoring Crazy Days, Grenola Community club sponsoring Octoberfest, etc. Those groups all seek outside funding to put the event on, similar to EK process. I didn't cover clean up days, but Julie said we modeled the West Elk service learning day after the Elk Valley Service learning day because it was successful. We like to build on what is already working in our communities!
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
What facts? Do you expect me and everyone out hear to believe you have not read this thread?
How would you know that the facts keep getting repeated if you haven't read it?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
2) I agree with Frank Winn - I wonder when people google "Elk Co" and they come across the Forum - does it entice them to move here or scare them away?
Probably not either way? There are conflicts going on around the coutry. Haven't you kept up with current events?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
3) Ross & Patriot - you have both been at public meetings and yet you will not have a one on one conversation with me and ask these questions to my face and allow us to have civil dialogue .... why not?
To be frankly truthful with you, I don't trust you. How is that for and quoting David Whetstone at last night's meeting, "Open and Honest Dialog"?
We have been asking you these questions right here. What is your problem with that?
Are your so called Community Conversations one on one, face to face? NO!
In fact you use a professionally trained Facilitator from outside the county to control every facet of your so called Community Conversations. This forum right here is the closest you have been to a Community Conversation since you have came about. Your facilitator from Leoti, Kansas and your employer if I am correct even called for the Sheriff for my even trying to have a real conversation with Elk Konnected. The man told me he would talk with me outside and I said, I thought it was a Community Conversation and stated politely that I wanted to speak with him in front of the community. So at that point he called for the Sheriff. So, I politely left. The sheriff deputies met me at the door and I told them everything was cool and that I was leaving. They were very polite and I thanked them for that. So, I didn't appreciate the misrepresentation and the Gestapo tactics. It's your game and you can play it anyway you want. And you proved it that night.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
Questions - with my attempt to answer.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
A) Why should a privately owned company have access to County Funds to promote themselves?Elk Konnected is one of several organization that has used money from the Parks and Recreation fund which is not a property tax, but a liquor tax and come from the sale of liquor at private club (of which Elk County has one - Flint Oak) Over the past 6 years, money has been paid to City of Howard - Fireworks, City of Longton - Fireworks and Park improvement, Elk Co 4-H - Firework, Elk Co Rodeo assn - Firework, Howard Chamber of Commerce - Jackson Park, Elk Co Junior Jam - Basketball equipment, Longton Summer Ball - Ball equipment, Grenola Comm. Building - Improvements, Howard Ball Club - Ball Equipment and Elk Konnected.
You mentioned community organizations, which is what I would assume the County Recreation Fund is for. And I am glad that is understood. But you also mentioned your own company.
It is Elk Konnected, LLC --- is it not?
LLC stands for Limited Liability
COMPANY doesn't it?
It matters not where the money comes from, it is tax money and it is in the County's coffers and the responsibility of Elk County Commissioners. It is not the responsibility of Elk Konnected, LLC's is it?
You never mentioned one, not one single privately owned business or LLC in all that statement except Elk Konnected, LLC.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
B) Do you not recognize advertising? This concern was aired last night and the steering committee heard it. I now see why there is a perception issue and I will try to have that addressed at our next steering committee meeting.
I don't see no perception issue. When you put up a sign that says Elk Konnected, LLC by anything you are advertising for your company. Simple!
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
C)As County Commissioner will you permit other privately owned company's and business' access to the same funds? None of the money requested from the Parks & Rec fund has gone to Elk Konnected LLC. According to the records supplied to me by the County Treasurer as of 6.23.11, the Parks fund reimbursed Richard Fish for the purchase of outdoor movie equipment and David Whetstone for the purchase of soccer equipment & pitch hit and Run equipment or ECCEF for soccer equipment. Again the way the statue is written moneys in Parks & Recreation special funds shall be under the direction and control of the board of county commissioners. Moneys in the special parks and recreation fund may be expended only for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities.
Remember our conversation at the County Commissioners Meeting and you denied using taxpayers money.
And I said wait a minute wasn't that Elk Konnected Youth Services that spoke too the Commission just before me and asking for money? Remember that? I bet you don't want to remember that? Even though I pointed that out you still denied using taxpayers money. And you were speaking as Elk Konnected instead of Commissioner. You even made mention that you wear so many hats it is difficult to keep them straight.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
D)Why did you as County Commissioner write a letter to Elk Konnected, LLC praising yourself?The letter you are referring to was written to Elk Konnected and printed in the Kansas Country Living. I was paid by Public Square Communities to write that letter. I think it is important to recognize the progress that has been made to date.
So you got paid by your Employer Public Squares Communities, LLC which is also the company that Elk Konnected, LLC pays, to write the letter as Elk County Commissioner about Elk Konnected, LLC which you founded to praise it, is that right? Very interesting! What progress has Elk konnected, LLC made? Please be specific.
People please re-read this.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
E)As County Commissioner you represent me and every citizen in Elk County, right?
I do, however I am elected from District 2 of Elk County.
D)Have you received consent from the citizens of Elk County to represent them with praising Elk Konnected, LLC or using our County to represent that other private company Public Squares Communities, LLC ----- your other employer?
It matters not what District you were elected for, you now represent all of Elk County. Remember you call yourself Elk County Commissioner, not Elk County Commissioner for District 2.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
I don't see where I have to get the consent of the citizens. Are you saying every time I am asked to speak or write about Elk Konnected, the county, my real estate job, my husband and my business - I need to get the permission of the Elk County voters - how do I go about doing that - holding an election at the taxpayer's cost - really?
No, it just a matter of ethics as to how the title bestowed upon you is used in representing the people of Elk County. When I was a Federal Employee I had the same ethics to pay attention to, as how I used my title. Titles are not given lightly and should not be taken lightly and used indiscriminately in my opinion. Because the citizens of Elk County are your employeer, are they not?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
E) You are Elk Konnected aren't you? You have claimed to be the founding member, haven't you?
I have been on the steering committee since 2007. Yes I was one of the founding members. I am not Elk Konnected - I am a member of the steering committee.
The previous statements by Elk Konnected, LLC was that a person may only serve for two years, last night you informed us that it is now limited to three years. Let's see 2007 minus 2011 equals 4 years, huh?
It sounds to me like you are Elk Konnected, LLC.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
D)Aren't you also the founder of ECCEF?
I was asked to serve on ECCEF from its conception. Have not served on its board since I believe May or June 2005.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
E)And will you tell me that you see no conflit of interest in any of this?
No I do not. I am on Elk Konnected Steering committee and have not been on ECCEF since 2005. Elk Konnected did not start using ECCEF until 2007.
Let's me understand, you have been on the Elk Konnected, LLC for four years, exceeding the three year limit provided by Elk Konnected,LLC, Elk Konnected, LLC uses ECCEF to collect donations for Elk Konnected, LLC and ECCEF also does the banking for Elk Konnected, LLC but you have no connection with ECCEF? That is really strange and I don't quite comprehend that? Would you explain please?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
F) In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about who owns them or who the admitted members are or the admitted members are ashamed of being admitted members? It would be nice to have some clarification.
What other questions do you have regarding Elk Konnected LLC
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
G) Why did Elk Konnected, LLC fail at it's only attempt of running it's business, the Wellness Center? One of the original goals of Elk Konnected in 2007 that came from the citizens of Elk County and Severy area was "Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network". The Wellness team tried it and due to lack of membership closed the doors. However a family in Howard have since purchased the equipment and are dedicated to keeping the wellness center open. So is this a failure or did we pass it on to private industry?
Who in Elk County or Severy wanted an exercise center in Howard?
I believe there would be much more to a wellness center than just exercise equipment, do you think?
Elk Konnected, LLC closed the door, it failed running the business simple, huh? The fact that someone else may re-open it does not make it anything different about Elk Konnected, LLC's failure to run it, does it?s of
The word on the street Elk County is that Dr. Black and his wife bought the building ad are planning to re-open it. And I wish them good luck with it.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
H) If Elk Konnected, LLC can't run a business how can they possibly save Elk County from it's self? The five original goals of Elk Konnected in 2007 were more about quality of life. These goals came about through interviewing 58 civic minded individuals from all four sectors (Business, Education, Human Services, and Government), it came from 140 surveys, then that information was presented at an open community conversation. 126 people chose to spend two hours talking about the future of their community, then they nominated 51 "visionaries" to develop their goals and vision. These 51 visionaries took the information from the community conversation and sifted it down to 5 goals and our vision. At that time, lower taxes, job development, smaller government were not the forefront of what people wanted for our community. We never intended to be in business. It would have been nice if the wellness center could have been self sustaining. However the committee also decided not to ask for more donations to keep it running.
Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC's goals basically set up by Public Squares Communities, it appears so from reading their web site?
Numbers of people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear from Elk Konnected, LLC.
Suggestions from people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear form Elk Konnected, LLC.
51 visionaries, I am so really impressed by that statement only the visionaries have no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
140 surveys, again very impressive statement and no proof, no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
You forgot to include the approval of the Howard Chamber of Commerce in starting Elk Konnected,LLC, that is what one of Elk Konnected, LLC followers on this forum said took place. Is that true?
One of your followers came up with this statement, only I revised it slightly, I hope you appreciate it.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
Now this is a seperate statement/question.
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ?? Thanks people for reading and listening to my opinion. please form your own opinions. It is important that you do.
Quote from: kshillbillys on October 06, 2011, 07:39:35 PM
According to Andrea Arbuckle, "If it wasn't for EK, there wouldn't be an event happening. WE are the ones doing it." Longton has had a Free Fair for years. Moline has had Crazy Days for years. Grenola has had Oktoberfest for years. Howard's had the Elk River Festival for years. Does EK get to take credit for EVERYTHING? Credit was even tried to be taken for the Community Cleanup Days that EK "sponsored"...one of which is an annual event for the school kids in Longton. I am glad they are not taking credit for that now and have given credit to "taking from what Longton does." Instead of grant money being given to EK for various events throughout the county, how about the grant money is just given to EACH CITY so EACH CITY can decide what to do to make their event more joyful? Then there would be NO NEED for EK and nothing for all of us to gripe about!
Arbuckle--My point to that whole section of the Konversation is in bold above. Instead of the COUNTY giving ELK KONNECTED MONEY to "SPONSOR" these EVENTS, WHY CAN'T ELK COUNTY GIVE THE MONEY TO EACH CITY TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH AS THEY WISH FOR THEIR EVENT AND COMPLETELY BYPASS ELK KONNECTED? Then there's no little group of people taking credit where credit isn't due! I know you are all just "ignorant volunteers" but really each CITY can work with the COUNTY for their own EVENTS!---Jennifer Walker
Right on Jennifer. Then each community can keep it's individuality.
You will have to excuse me, I have not taken the time to figure out how to use the quote technology....
To Mr & Mrs. Walker
A)It was stated last night by Julie Englebrecht that Elk Konnected DID NOT sponsor the Lawrence Arts Event; This statement was made after Liz Hendricks corrected her that EK DID NOT sponsor it. According to EK's Facebook Page: Elk Konnected Students that are wanting to attend the Summer Art Program at the Lawrence Art Center please return the registration form to Jennifer Brummel as soon as possible. If you are unable to get it in by tomorrow please call Jennifer at 620-205-8514.---If Elk Konnected DID NOT sponsor this event, WHY is it on ELK KONNECTED'S FACEBOOK PAGE? What else are they taking credit for that they DID NOT do? And why is it that one of EK's most prominent starter members is the person who was at the school handing out the permission slips?
Elk Konnected was not a part of the Lawrence Summer art program. I personally was contacted by TradeWind Energy and the Lawrence Art Center (LAC) about coordinating a summer art program for the youth of Elk County and any that attend a school within Elk County. I did so on my personally time. I went to Elk Valley & West Elk and talked to all 6th-11th graders last spring and handed out information and asked for those interested to fill out a form. I personally made all the copies and then mailed out final registration forms at my cost to over 100 kids. It was okayed with both Liebau and Ritz to use Jennifer as the contact point. She did put an announcement on Elk Konnected's facebook page to let any other kids know about the program - IT WAS NOT ADVERTIZED AS AN ELK KONNECTED event. I took two days and went with a bus load of kids and Jennifer went one day. We also utilized the LAC teachers to teach at the Day Camp this summer.
ROSS
A)What facts? Do you expect me and everyone out hear to believe you have not read this thread?
How would you know that the facts keep getting repeated if you haven't read it?
I have only read from page 308 on... nor do I care to go back before that. A forum user emailed the steering committee a list of the main questions from the forum.
From Ross
B) To be frankly truthful with you, I don't trust you. How is that for and quoting David Whetstone at last night's meeting, "Open and Honest Dialog"?
We have been asking you these questions right here. What is your problem with that?
Are your so called Community Conversations one on one, face to face? NO!
In fact you use a professionally trained Facilitator from outside the county to control every facet of your so called Community Conversations. This forum right here is the closest you have been to a Community Conversation since you have came about. Your facilitator from Leoti, Kansas and your employer if I am correct even called for the Sheriff for my even trying to have a real conversation with Elk Konnected. The man told me he would talk with me outside and I said, I thought it was a Community Conversation and stated politely that I wanted to speak with him in front of the community. So at that point he called for the Sheriff. So, I politely left. The sheriff deputies met me at the door and I told them everything was cool and that I was leaving. They were very polite and I thanked them for that. So, I didn't appreciate the misrepresentation and the Gestapo tactics. It's your game and you can play it anyway you want. And you proved it that night.
Mr. Ross, I guess there is a mutual distrust then, because I dont trust you. I don't know how many public meetings a person can just go to the front and demand to speak with out waiting for the agenda of the meeting to be explained. I do thank you for your respect for the process Wednesday night and sorry you had to leave half way.
C)You mentioned community organizations, which is what I would assume the County Recreation Fund is for. And I am glad that is understood. But you also mentioned your own company.
It is Elk Konnected, LLC --- is it not?
LLC stands for Limited Liability COMPANY doesn't it?
It matters not where the money comes from, it is tax money and it is in the County's coffers and the responsibility of Elk County Commissioners. It is not the responsibility of Elk Konnected, LLC's is it?
You never mentioned one, not one single privately owned business or LLC in all that statement except Elk Konnected, LLC.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I seem to be repeating myself and will do it again. NO money has been paid from the County Parks & Recreation fund to ELK KONNECTED LLC. I also want taxpayers to know that they are not being taxed for the money that is in the County Parks & Recreation fund and it does make a difference. Yes as a county commissioner, I along with the two other commissioners say how it will be spent.
D)Let's me understand, you have been on the Elk Konnected, LLC for four years, exceeding the three year limit provided by Elk Konnected,LLC, Elk Konnected, LLC uses ECCEF to collect donations for Elk Konnected, LLC and ECCEF also does the banking for Elk Konnected, LLC but you have no connection with ECCEF? That is really strange and I don't quite comprehend that? Would you explain please?
Elk Konnected established the rotation and term limits and adopted them on May 2011. I am not on the board of ECCEF and have not been since 2005. I do not see a conflict of interest.
E)Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC's goals basically set up by Public Squares Communities, it appears so from reading their web site?
Numbers of people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear from Elk Konnected, LLC.
Suggestions from people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear form Elk Konnected, LLC.
51 visionaries, I am so really impressed by that statement only the visionaries have no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
140 surveys, again very impressive statement and no proof, no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
You forgot to include the approval of the Howard Chamber of Commerce in starting Elk Konnected,LLC, that is what one of Elk Konnected, LLC followers on this forum said took place. Is that true?
Again I reported how the goals of Elk Konnected were created - NO Public Square did not create the goals. In your research, you might notice that every community has its own set of goals.
I do have a list of everyone that was invited to the vision retreat held in January 2008 and everyone that attended. The surveys however were done anymously and were available to the public at the local convenience stores, resturants and other gathering places.
Howard Chamber of Commerce, Howard Rotary Club, Howard United Methodist Church, ECCEF, Carter-Rader American Legion & Auxiliary, Moline Chamber of Commerce, Elk Co Farm Bureau, Moline United Methodist Church, St. Mary's Church - Moline, Longton Community Christian Church, Friends of Elk Falls are just a few of the organizations who have donated to Elk Konnected (money went to ECCEF).
Sorry I would love to chat some more but I really need to get some work done. Have a great day!
L Hendricks do you really expect us to believe that the money in the parks and rec. fund didn't come from taxpayers?!! Just where in the hell does the money come from? Does the county or STATE have a magic money tree they just pick it from?
And just who the hell are you or elk konnected to decide that the citizens of this county don't think highly enough of themselves?
You say that elk konnected want to improve the standard of living in this county how about you and the rest of your croonies keep your greedy damn hands out of my and everyone elses pocket and let us decide about our quality of life!!
The commissioners of this county had the chance to lower taxes, thus providing more income to individuals in the county, but they did not. You commissioners need to realize that if you can't afford to stay within your budget then you (pleas pay attention here) CUT YOUR EXPENSES, NOT RAISE TAXES!
It is high time that the citizens of this county demand that anyone with any connection to elk konnected or its affiliate companies immediately step down from any office within our county government.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
You will have to excuse me, I have not taken the time to figure out how to use the quote technology....
Please take 5 minutes and have on of your followers teach you. I learned on my own in a short period and I am not college educated, just a high school graduate. To try to keep this post clear for everyone I am puting my response for this post in blue. I am putting Hendricks quotes of me in Bold Black. I hope that helps everyone keep things straight.
ROSS
A)What facts? Do you expect me and everyone out hear to believe you have not read this thread?
How would you know that the facts keep getting repeated if you haven't read it?Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
I have only read from page 308 on... nor do I care to go back before that. A forum user emailed the steering committee a list of the main questions from the forum.
Personally I like to do my own reading, that way I can't blame some one else for my errors, but to each his own.
From Ross
B) To be frankly truthful with you, I don't trust you. How is that for and quoting David Whetstone at last night's meeting, "Open and Honest Dialog"?
We have been asking you these questions right here. What is your problem with that?
Are your so called Community Conversations one on one, face to face? NO!
In fact you use a professionally trained Facilitator from outside the county to control every facet of your so called Community Conversations. This forum right here is the closest you have been to a Community Conversation since you have came about. Your facilitator from Leoti, Kansas and your employer if I am correct even called for the Sheriff for my even trying to have a real conversation with Elk Konnected. The man told me he would talk with me outside and I said, I thought it was a Community Conversation and stated politely that I wanted to speak with him in front of the community. So at that point he called for the Sheriff. So, I politely left. The sheriff deputies met me at the door and I told them everything was cool and that I was leaving. They were very polite and I thanked them for that. So, I didn't appreciate the misrepresentation and the Gestapo tactics. It's your game and you can play it anyway you want. And you proved it that night.Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
Mr. Ross, I guess there is a mutual distrust then, because I dont trust you. I don't know how many public meetings a person can just go to the front and demand to speak with out waiting for the agenda of the meeting to be explained. I do thank you for your respect for the process Wednesday night and sorry you had to leave half way.
Nice come back, but Frankly it doesn't matter whether you trust me or not, this is not personal because, WE have absolutely nothing personal between us. I am not an Elk County Commissioner, now am I. So, it matters not whether you trust me.
Nice diversion though. It is you who should be concerned about the trust of Elk County Citizens, because along with trust comes respect. A few other qualities of a good leader are principles, integrity, understanding and cooperation and ethics, only to name a few.
As far as my leaving early thanks for noticing. I left because I had more important responsibilities to listen to the dribble of prepared speeches given by people that didn't appear to be prepared by themselves. It appeared they were jus doing as told by someone, IMHO. But my personal responsibility was much more important and that is why I left.
C) You mentioned community organizations, which is what I would assume the County Recreation Fund is for. And I am glad that is understood. But you also mentioned your own company.
It is Elk Konnected, LLC --- is it not?
LLC stands for Limited Liability COMPANY doesn't it?
It matters not where the money comes from, it is tax money and it is in the County's coffers and the responsibility of Elk County Commissioners. It is not the responsibility of Elk Konnected, LLC's is it?
You never mentioned one, not one single privately owned business or LLC in all that statement except Elk Konnected, LLC.
Correct me if I am wrong.Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
I seem to be repeating myself and will do it again. NO money has been paid from the County Parks & Recreation fund to ELK KONNECTED LLC. I also want taxpayers to know that they are not being taxed for the money that is in the County Parks & Recreation fund and it does make a difference. Yes as a county commissioner, I along with the two other commissioners say how it will be spent.
Yes, that is what I said, but aren't two out of the three County Commissioners cheerleaders (for lack of a better word) for Elk Konnected,
LLC so they would mostly likely vote for Elk Konnected,
LLC right?
I seem to have to keep repeating myself:
Remember our conversation at the County Commissioners Meeting and you denied using taxpayers money.
And I said wait a minute wasn't that Elk Konnected Youth Services that spoke too the Commission just before me and asking for money? Remember that? I bet you don't want to remember that? Even though I pointed that out you still denied using taxpayers money. And you were speaking as Elk Konnected instead of Commissioner. You even made mention that you wear so many hats it is difficult to keep them straight.
Did someone pay taxes on that alcohol? If so that makes them a taxpayer, right? And it becomes taxpayers moneys that go into the County Coffers. It males no difference who pays the tax, it is the property of the taxpayers and citizens of Elk County. Is that clear?
You can not just change the facts to meet your own desires.
Were you making those statements as Elk Konnected, LLC [or as County Commissioner?
I ask because I would like to know who thinks they can write tax code to meet their own needs?/b] D)Let's me understand, you have been on the Elk Konnected, LLCfor four years, exceeding the three year limit provided by Elk Konnected, LLC, Elk Konnected, LLC uses ECCEF to collect donations for Elk Konnected, LLC and ECCEF also does the banking for Elk Konnected, LLC but you have no connection with ECCEF? That is really strange and I don't quite comprehend that? Would you explain please? Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
Elk Konnected established the rotation and term limits and adopted them on May 2011. I am not on the board of ECCEF and have not been since 2005. I do not see a conflict of interest.
So does that mean their previous statement of two years meant nothing in the first place? Afterall you and David have been on the Steering Committee for four years right? Which exceeded the original term limits, correct? So are we to understand with the new the new term limits your first 4 years don't count is that what you are saying? If so why even have a term limit? Please help us understand what the term limits mean, does it mean you can just accept them or not depending on your mood? If so where is the integrity in that?
E) Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC's goals basically set up by Public Squares Communities, it appears so from reading their web site?
Numbers of people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear from Elk Konnected, LLC.
Suggestions from people, that have no names, that can not be proven, that's all we hear form Elk Konnected, LLC.
51 visionaries, I am so really impressed by that statement only the visionaries have no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
140 surveys, again very impressive statement and no proof, no names, how in the world are we suppose to believe that? Isn't this a cloak of anonymity?
You forgot to include the approval of the Howard Chamber of Commerce in starting Elk Konnected,LLC, that is what one of Elk Konnected, LLC followers on this forum said took place. Is that true?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
Again I reported how the goals of Elk Konnected were created - NO Public Square did not create the goals. In your research, you might notice that every community has its own set of goals.
I do have a list of everyone that was invited to the vision retreat held in January 2008 and everyone that attended. The surveys however were done anymously and were available to the public at the local convenience stores, resturants and other gathering places.
Howard Chamber of Commerce, Howard Rotary Club, Howard United Methodist Church, ECCEF, Carter-Rader American Legion & Auxiliary, Moline Chamber of Commerce, Elk Co Farm Bureau, Moline United Methodist Church, St. Mary's Church - Moline, Longton Community Christian Church, Friends of Elk Falls are just a few of the organizations who have donated to Elk Konnected (money went to ECCEF Quote
Again it appears that Public Squares Communities, LLC has the blue print. I.E. Public Square Communities, LLC identifies, connects and develops community leaders who transform towns, cities, counties and regions into thriving communities which nourish youth, engage citizens and foster partnerships.
Public Square engages all four sectors of the community: Business, Education, Government and Human Services from their web site http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm
I seem to have to keep repeating myself as well.
Remember our conversation at the County Commissioners Meeting and you denied using taxpayers money.
And I said wait a minute wasn't that Elk Konnected Youth Services that spoke too the Commission just before me and asking for money? Remember that? I bet you don't want to remember that? Even though I pointed that out you still denied using taxpayers money. And you were speaking as Elk Konnected instead of Commissioner. You even made mention that you wear so many hats it is difficult to keep them straight.
So you got paid by your Employer Public Squares Communities, LLC which is also the company that Elk Konnected, LLC pays, to write the letter as Elk County Commissioner about Elk Konnected, LLC which you founded to praise it, is that right? Very interesting! What progress has Elk Konnected, LLC made? Please be specific.
People please re-read this.
I believe it is a matter of ethics as to how the title bestowed upon you is used in representing the people of Elk County. When I was a Federal Employee I had the same ethics to pay attention to, as how I used my title. Titles are not given lightly and should not be taken lightly and used indiscriminately in my opinion. Because the citizens of Elk County are your employeer, are they not?
Who in Elk County or Severy wanted an exercise center in Howard?
I believe there would be much more to a wellness center than just exercise equipment, do you think?
Elk Konnected, LLC closed the door, it failed running the business simple, huh? The fact that someone else may re-open it does not make it anything different about Elk Konnected, LLC's failure to run it, does it?s
When do they start opening the County Commissioers Meeting
WITH
WELCOME TO ELK KONNECTED, LLC'S
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
MEETING
Our facilitator tonight is from
Wichita, County
Next Meetings Facilitator May Be From Sarah Palins Home County.
So Be Sure To Be Here
We ARE Improving Our Image
Jerry Springer Coming Soon
The Steering Committee is working on it.
Won't you please have a seat in any one of the circle of chairs!
? ? ?
When does that happen citizens? Consider the possiblities? A diversion from the seriousness for a moment.
Just a creative splurge at humor, I hope everyone enjoy's it.
You been sippin' the apple jack? ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 07, 2011, 06:10:20 PM
You been sippin' the apple jack? ;D
No, Diane I do not imbibe, hick-up.
What's wrong no sense of humor?
Are you saying I have no talent, be honest now.
I promise not to be nasty if you say, no talent for humor.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Ross & Patriot -
I don't understand. We provided a public forum for you to ask these questions and you chose not too.
There was a gentleman that tried to ask questions, he was escorted out by county paid law enforcement.
QuoteYet you continue to bash us on this medium. WHY?
Maybe because you continue to hide and not answer questions truthfully. Why? Usually when folks duck and squirm their way around a question they have something to hide.
QuoteIf you don't like what we are doing, then what do you propose? How do you plan to get engage and make Elk County better than it is - and I did not say it was a bad place, I am just saying that I want it to be better.
The first thing I would propose is that anyone involved with elk konnected should not hold postitions of influence or power within our county government. Espcially when those people have it within their scope of power to give TAX DOLLARS to a private company. Did you ever stop to consider even for a moment that it isn't what you want that matters, but WHAT THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY WANT? You say you want to make it better...better for who? And don't dare say for everyone, because that would be an out and out lie! Our roads clearly illustrate that.
QuoteMyself and the steering committee have invested a lot of energy into trying to make Elk County better and yet you sit in the stand and criticize us for what we are doing. Why don't you get involved and try to help Elk County instead of spending HOURS criticizing those of us who are. Last night, we again asked people to become engaged, ask questions, offer ideas for further improvement and yet you choose not too... but then sit at home and post for hours nit picking every last thing we have done.
Oh cry me a river why don't ya! In case you have forgotten you are an elected public offical, that means you are going to be criticized. Heres an idea why don't YOU and the other commissioners get involved with the people that elected you without having to use an outside mediator. Of course that would mean actually facing the public, and holding your monthly commissioner meetings at a time and place when working folks can actually attend. And NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. Also, allowing county employees the time to attend these meetings. I realize that would go against your "screw'em" attidude and outlook..but then again THATS YOUR JOB! And yes, that would mean holding meetings without the presence of 3 of our kops (and no that isn't a misspelling given the fact that they've acted more in favor of elk Konnected than the law).
QuoteThe steering committee members are all working USA citizens and Elk County Citizens who have 1,2,3 jobs in order to live here. We are all involved in many volunteer activities, which takes time away from our spouse and children. Yet we have decided to make this sacrifice to help all of Elk County.
Help Elk county?...How? By squandering money we don't have? Wheres the improvement?
Help all of elk county??...Bullsh!$. Help howard maybe. Grenola sure as hell hasn't seen any improvement.
Quote from: Varmit on October 07, 2011, 01:01:20 PM
L Hendricks do you really expect us to believe that the money in the parks and rec. fund didn't come from taxpayers?!! Just where in the hell does the money come from? Does the county or STATE have a magic money tree they just pick it from?
Varmit, Isn't the parks and recreation fund funded by the alcohol and liquor tax collected by businesses that sell said alcohol/liquor in the county? I thought that is where that money came from. However; I am probably wrong. It could be a mill levy fund which is indeed funded by the taxpayers just like the ambulance department, the rural fire department, the road department, employee benefits, just to name a few funds. Anyway, just my thoughts.
Mr. Ross, I thought your Sarah Palin and Jerry Springer comments were funny, just thought some Apple Jack, so common this time of year, might have helped loosen you up a bit.
Isn't she from Nebraska? I can't remember.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 07, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
Varmit, Isn't the parks and recreation fund funded by the alcohol and liquor tax collected by businesses that sell said alcohol/liquor in the county? I thought that is where that money came from. However; I am probably wrong. It could be a mill levy fund which is indeed funded by the taxpayers just like the ambulance department, the rural fire department, the road department, employee benefits, just to name a few funds. Anyway, just my thoughts.
Janet do you reckon the liquor store in Moline collects county tax on their sales?
Does Howard have a liquor store where county tax is collected?
But remember it's not your tax dollars it's something else and that makes a difference.
A difference in some minds maybe?
But to me tas dollars are taxpayers money and it ends up in the county coffers as such and nothing else.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 07, 2011, 06:50:42 PM
Mr. Ross, I thought your Sarah Palin and Jerry Springer comments were funny, just thought some Apple Jack, so common this time of year, might have helped loosen you up a bit.
Isn't she from Nebraska? I can't remember.
Alaska, and they want er far form there.
She with drew from running for president because she is a quitter and figurred it bettter to quit early.
Why thank you Diane I am honored. No jucie for me except for medicinal purpose's.
Any thing over a half ounce and I am drunk. I quit drinking over thirty five years ago.
I was not qualify as an alcoholic, but I did like it too much. So I quit.
I'm a bit exhausted and then some. For a man that is retired, I have been woking real hard for two weeks helping out a fellow citizen get a terrific problem fixed. She could not afford to pay a contractor to do the job and I work for free.
It feels good to be helpful and that's why I do it often. I don't do it for praise.
Have a great weekend Diane.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 07, 2011, 06:48:10 PM
Varmit, Isn't the parks and recreation fund funded by the alcohol and liquor tax collected by businesses that sell said alcohol/liquor in the county? I thought that is where that money came from. However; I am probably wrong. It could be a mill levy fund which is indeed funded by the taxpayers just like the ambulance department, the rural fire department, the road department, employee benefits, just to name a few funds. Anyway, just my thoughts.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 07, 2011, 11:23:37 AM
)You mentioned community organizations, which is what I would assume the County Recreation Fund is for. And I am glad that is understood. But you also mentioned your own company.
It is Elk Konnected, LLC --- is it not?
LLC stands for Limited Liability COMPANY doesn't it?
It matters not where the money comes from, it is tax money and it is in the County's coffers and the responsibility of Elk County Commissioners. It is not the responsibility of Elk Konnected, LLC's is it?
You never mentioned one, not one single privately owned business or LLC in all that statement except Elk Konnected, LLC.
Correct me if I am wrong.
I seem to be repeating myself and will do it again. NO money has been paid from the County Parks & Recreation fund to ELK KONNECTED LLC. I also want taxpayers to know that they are not being taxed for the money that is in the County Parks & Recreation fund and it does make a difference. Yes as a county commissioner, I along with the two other commissioners say how it will be spent.
Ok...Let me see if I have this right...The Parks and Recreation Fund is funded by the alcohol and liquor tax collected by businesses that sell said liquor in this county. But that money is NOT taxpayer money? It's a
tax paid by
people who have gone to Flint Oaks, a privately owned business that at last I knew is exempt from paying taxes in this county (correct me if I'm wrong on that), and purchased an alcoholic beverage. Therefore, since it's a person paying a tax, would that NOT be TAXPAYER MONEY? And Ms. Hendricks, why would Elk County taxpayers be taxed for the money that is in the County Parks and Recreation fund? That makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever. Why would we be TAXED for TAXPAYER money in the County's coffers in the first place? ---Jennifer Walker
Quote from: Varmit on October 07, 2011, 06:26:04 PMHelp howard maybe.
I definitely haven't noticed any help here myself. Here in the past couple years I've seemingly lost some of my property rights, just recently our nice road coming into town has been ruined and the county doesn't seen to be having the people who have ruined it pay for it (wind farm work), and now we have gravel roads instead of paved roads (supposed to be "chip and seal" but it is far from it). The main road was repaired a bit but is already ruined again.
Seems like we need a complete change in our local leaders just like we do nationally.
Quote from: mtcookson on October 07, 2011, 07:18:14 PM
Seems like we need a complete change in our local leaders just like we do nationally.
Very good point.
Janet a tax on alcohol and liquor is paid by whom? ..Oh yes, the people that buy and must pay the tax i.e. taxpayers.
But don't get it twisted and don't be blinded by the smokescreen. Don't focus just on the parks and rec. fund. Why? you might ask., simple, elk konnected has recieved funds from the general budget. Afterall, when a county employee is doing work for elk konnected on county time with county equipment and being paid by county funds then elk konnected is recieveing tax dollars.
Quote from: Varmit on October 07, 2011, 08:05:45 PM
Janet a tax on alcohol and liquor is paid by whom? ..Oh yes, the people that buy and must pay the tax i.e. taxpayers.
But don't get it twisted and don't be blinded by the smokescreen. Don't focus just on the parks and rec. fund. Why? you might ask., simple, elk konnected has recieved funds from the general budget. Afterall, when a county employee is doing work for elk konnected on county time with county equipment and being paid by county funds then elk konnected is recieveing tax dollars.
You're spot on Varmit. As Robin Rivers pointed out, that's an 'in kind' payment. If someone receives something other than money (goods or services) in a transaction, it's still a payment. Simple concept, widely understood in business, and I must wonder, if you get it out there in forumland, why can't those in the center of all this get it? A choice born of arrogance and entitlement? Or just simple ignorance? In either case we keep hearing the same old rationalizations.
From Ms Hendrick:It matters not where the money comes from, it is tax money and it is in the County's coffers
From all the liquor ( or other) tax to the Parks and Recreation funds:
this is a tax imposed on all citizens of the county that will be distributed by the county Commissioners as to the % of interest as they see fit.
Yes it does matter ma'am, as to where it comes from and how it is distrubuted.
The Coffers need to coff up a detailed explanation of fair and unbiased monies. (yes, I have read all of the posts, and Ross and et al are not the only ones concerned.)
Ms. Hendricks.....take your ELK KONNECTED hat off just for a second, and step back away from your forest of loyalty to the organization.
You represent all ( or at least your district) of County of Elk, not an organization of one.
ready
Might I add that the County General's Fund is not slush money in times like these
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on October 07, 2011, 09:27:55 PM
Might I add that the County General's Fund revenue is not slush money in times like these [nor any time]
ready
Fixed it for you ;D
Have you read the October 5, 2011 Prairie Star Newspaper?
Did you read the Elk County Commission Column?
Well here is part of it.
Jennifer Brummel requested spending $1,100 for a mechanical bull for Grenola Octoberfest and $500 for an inflatable for the Elk River Festival at Howard out of Special Parks and Recreation Fund. The commissioners had no objections to the expense.
Chairman Liebau said he would be
responsible for
$100 for the mechanical, so
ONLY $1500 will be needed out of the Special Parks and Recreation Fund.
Elk Konnected.
Commissioner Ritz opened up a long discussion about Elk Konnected and the Youth Development position.
Ritz said it appeared to him Jennifer Brummell should be paid by Elk Konnected rather than the taxpayers of Elk County, because from the job description given to him. It seemed most of the work is done for Elk Konnected. Hendricks and Liebau explained how Elk Konnected was started and came before County Commissioners asking for a Youth Coordinator rather than having a Recreation Committee. Ritz had papers from the Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF) showing a large donation to Elk Konnected in 2009. Hendricks explained how Elk Konnected partnered with ECCEF in the beginning
to use their new501C3status and run all of their donations through them to pay Public Squares Communities for facilitation. Hendricks said proceeds from the Table Setting event that ECCEF sponsored annually was given to Elk Konnected for a few years to use for their activities, but knew nothing about the large amounton the tax form. A grant had been received and was used for the Wellness Center in Howard. Ritz says he hears lots of comments about Elk Konnected in his district, because most of the activities are in Howard. Others in attendance joined in the discussion. Having Brummell do more for Economical Development, bring more people and business to Elk County was brought up. Leibau and Hendricks spoke in favor of Elk konnected and the Youth Development Position.
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Jennifer Brummel requested spending $1,100 for a mechanical bull for Grenola Octoberfest and $500 for an inflatable for the Elk River Festival at Howard out of Special Parks and Recreation Fund. The commissioners had no objections to the expense.
In spite of the signage at Octoberfest showing Elk Konnected as the mechanical bull 'sponsor', I say 3 cheers to the people who actually made it possible: Thank you, Flint Oaks patrons.
Now about those advertising posters Elk Konnected had printed and distributed in connection with the event... Another 'in kind' payment? If so, did EK reimburse the county for the costs of printing and distribution? If EK went to Kinko's and had Brummel hang the posters after the courthouse closed, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.
This is just my humble opinion to the facts presented by our local newspaper.
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Have you read the October 5, 2011 Prairie Star Newspaper?
Did you read the Elk County Commission Column?
Well here is part of it.
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Jennifer Brummel requested spending $1,100 for a mechanical bull for Grenola Octoberfest and $500 for an inflatable for the Elk River Festival at Howard out of Special Parks and Recreation Fund. The commissioners had no objections to the expense.
Who was Jennifer Brummel requesting the money on behalf of?
I would assume that since she is on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee and we have been told that the Steering Committee is the Elk Konnected, LLC's membership she was doing it on their behalf. And the fact that Elk Konnected, LLC was advertising next to the items it must be true. Taxpayer dollars to Elk Konnected, LLC. Of course the Commissioners had no objection when two out of three are Elk Konnected followers, leaders or whatever the company calls them. Would these same commissioners provide the money directly to the communities, I doubt it. They haven't in the past. In the past it appeared to me for the communities to be pulling teeth to get $500. Except when the police officer of Longton joined Elk Konnected, LLC's Steering Committee then their Ball Association asked for $500 and immediately Commissioner Hendricks said let's give them $1000. IMHO they want it for their organization Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company.
Would they do the same for the hardware store in Howard or Moline? Would they do the same for the Convience Store in Howard or Moline or Longton? Would they do the same for any other privately owned company? Perhaps if they join Elk Konnected, LLC, Ya reckon? Really what's going on here?
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Chairman Liebau said he would be responsible for $100 for the mechanical, so ONLY $1500 will be needed out of the Special Parks and Recreation Fund.
Elk Konnected.
GEE! How big of Chairman Liebau to support his Elk Konnected, LLC with $100.
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Commissioner Ritz opened up a long discussion about Elk Konnected and the Youth Development position.
Ritz said it appeared to him Jennifer Brummell should be paid by Elk Konnected rather than the taxpayers of Elk County, because from the job description given to him.
This sounds like the only true Elk County Commissioner to me. Good Job.
Who does Jennifer Brummell actually work for?
She is one the Steering Committee of a private company, why don't they pay her.
But keep reading below about it being Elk Konnected, LLC who wanted the county to hire her.
Who does Jennifer Brummell actually work for?
She is one the Steering Committee of a private company, why don't they pay her.
She request money for Elk Konnected, LLC during a County Commissioners Meeting which is during her work hours. Figure it out for your self. Who's employee is she?
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
It seemed most of the work is done for Elk Konnected. Hendricks and Liebau explained how Elk Konnected was started and came before County Commissioners asking for a Youth Coordinator rather than having a Recreation Committee. Ritz had papers from the Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF) showing a large donation to Elk Konnected in 2009. Hendricks explained how Elk Konnected partnered with ECCEF in the beginning to use their new501C3status and run all of their donations through them to pay Public Squares Communities for facilitation.
I know for a fact there is more than just one year. ECCEF's tax forms are available on the internet. Do a google search for ECCEF.
And there are $10's of thousands that have been transferred to Elk Konnected, LLC. So why do they need
Our Youth Development employee asking the County Commissioners for taxpayers money to ADVERTISE for Elk Konnected, LLC.
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Hendricks said proceeds from the Table Setting event that ECCEF sponsored annually was given to Elk Konnected for a few years to use for their activities, but knew nothing about the large amount on the tax form. A grant had been received and was used for the Wellness Center in Howard. Ritz says he hears lots of comments about Elk Konnected in his district, because most of the activities are in Howard. Others in attendance joined in the discussion. Having Brummell do more for Economical Development, bring more people and business to Elk County was brought up. Leibau and Hendricks spoke in favor of Elk Konnected and the Youth Development Position.
How is it the founder, leader or what ever of Elk Konnected, LLC who happens to be County Commissioner knows nothing of the $10's of thousands received by Elk Konnected, LLC from ECCEF? That is really strange don't you think. That must be one of them different thingy's our County Commissioner refers to when talking about taxpayer dollars being collected on liquor sales. Ya, reckon?
I'd like to see some kind of realistic report from our County Economic Development Employee as to how that employee is going to be bring people and business to Elk County. A real plan with a progress report at each and every County Commissioners Meeting. If there is no progress then either she is not doing the job of Economic Development or through no fault of her own it can't be done and the position should be abolished.
IMHO the Youth Development phrase is simply used buy organizations to manipulate the public.
Youth development starts at home with the parents, followed up by religion --- Sunday School or such and by school. It also includes teaching morals, honesty, integrity, ethics. What part of any of that does the privately owned company does Elk Konnected, LLC have to do with?
What part does inflatable's and mechanical bulls have to do with youth development, that is simply entertainment, nothing more. The kids could play tag or dodge ball, or kick the can. Youth Development is best left up to the parents not Government of Privately owned companies don't you think?
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ?
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 06:24:29 AM
Leibau and Hendricks spoke in favor of Elk Konnected and the Youth Development Position.
Sure they did they are Elk Konnected, LLC supporters and anything Elk Konnected, LLC
Wants from the County Commissioners want they will mostly likely get because they have the majority vote on the Commission.
Why do they leave off the LLC ? [/color]
Isn't there a country western song that goes something like, "Whos Sleeping With Who" ?
What's the name of that song, any one know?
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 07:49:04 AM
Sure they did they are Elk Konnected, LLC supporters and anything Elk Konnected, LLC
Wants from the County Commissioners want they will mostly likely get because they have the majority vote on the Commission.
Ethically, morally, these individuals that are supporters of EK should recuse themselves from any vote concerning EK and the other organization. There can be no objective analysis and impartial spending of monies when they personally support such organizations. When the wolf controls the gate of the goatpen, one tends to lose the best goats at the wolf's pleasure!
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 07:49:04 AM
How big of Chairman Liebau to support his Elk Konnected, LLC with $100.
Of course, witnesses who saw Mr Liebau give Jennifer a check for more than $100 heard her object, saying the check was more than needed, heard him say words to the effect, "That's ok, just claim less mileage on your voucher." Good deed or an attempt to cover up the way things really work with Elk County/Konnected's operations?
There have been those who whine about the impression that this thread may give non-residents, well check this out. Maybe we DO have an image problem. As they say, "The speed of the leaders is the speed of the crew." Attitude citizens, it's all about attitude.
Read this: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12680.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,12680.0.html)
Really!
You mean they may be more than cheerleaders?
Naw, who'd a thunk in the podunks?
That mst be one of them thar small things refered to in the quote below, and the reference to stupid people of Elk County, let me colorize that. How's that fer image?
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about [/b]) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
That time volunteered ya'all must be talking about must be for advertising fer good ole Elk konnected, LLC. Nothing for the people in real need, huh!
Taking the stand like you boys is something we need across America.
That's a pretty good image to many folks.
Stay right in there.
Quote from: redcliffsw on October 08, 2011, 10:30:44 AM
Taking the stand like you boys is something we need across America.
That's a pretty good image to many folks.
Stay right in there.
You're right in there with us Redcliff.
The more people that see and respond to the truth the better off our County is.
You as well others may see something the rest of us don't.
So let's watch our County Government and report.
Let's look for some positive change in our local government as well, what do you say?
We have a small county with a small population, but eyes and ears are every where, right?
After all who is County Commissioner Leibau's, boss?
After all who is County Commissioner Hendrick"s, boss?
After all who is County Commissioner Ritz's, boss?
Is it Elk Konnected, LLC or the voters and taxpayers and citizens of Elk County?
I believe County Commissioner Ritz showed true colors, true concern for our county at that meeting listed in the paper?
He works for the citizens of Elk County not Elk Konnected, LLC.
But he is out numbered on the Commissioner panel 2 to 1, don't you see?
What Elk Konnected County Commissioner Hendricks no answers to any of these questions or responses ?
Quote from: Ross on October 08, 2011, 07:14:49 PM
What Elk Konnected County Commissioner Hendricks no answers to any ot these questions or responses ?
It's the weekend. Perhaps in a couple of days.
Perhaps everything has been placed into the "parking lot" and they will get back with us later!
Quote from: kshillbillys on October 08, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Perhaps everything has been placed into the "parking lot" and they will get back with us later!
Given that only about 1 Volkswagon got on the road on the 5th, that's one damned crowed parking lot. :(
Quote from: kshillbillys on October 08, 2011, 08:21:56 PM
Perhaps everything has been placed into the "parking lot" and they will get back with us later!
Or perhaps we will hear more about that
"different thingy" Commissioner Hendricks has going on.
You know, where the tax payers dollars used by Elk Konnected, LLC are
"different thingy" than other tax payers dollars that are in the Elk County coffers.
I'm beginning to believe that
"different thingy" applies to ethics and a lot of other things with possibly two of our County Commissioners, don't you?
Ya don't suppose that
"different thingy" could be contagious do you?
It's always been a real trend in Washington, DC and Federal Government but, I never expected it in Elk County where we have down home folks.
And too, there is never any
real answers to any
real questions?
Like for instance if a person has served 4 years on the steering committee when the actual first rule was to only serve 2 years and they hadn't rotated out,
and then they pass a new rule that a person can only serve only 3 years on the steering committee,
how does that affect the persons that have already served 4 years?
I just don't understand the logic, so it must be that
"different thingy" thing again.
But hey, it is a privately owned company and they can do what ever
"different thingy" thing they want to do, huh?
Isn't that the real purpose of being an LLC to keep your secrets, secret? You know like industrial trade secrets and everything else?
They don't have to answer to anyone, do they?
But I like how they transfer responsibility to ECCEF for thier finances and bookkeeping, that way the don't even know about the large sums of money, when proof was provided at the County Commissioners Meeting, way to go. It must be that
"different thingy" thing again.
What's their logo, or saying, oh yea,
"Watch Us Grow" .
Notice it doesn't say
"Watch Elk County Grow"Wait a minute, wait a minute I think it is one of their followers that uses
"Watch Us Grow" at the bottom of each of his posts.
I just checked Public Squares Communities, LLC web site for Elk Konnected, LLC and found
"Stay with us as we grow!" still nothing about Elk County Growing as that applies to Elk Konnected, LLC and their web page on Public Squares Community, web site. But it might be that
"different thingy"
again?
But the cincher is our
Elk County Commissioners bring it to each and every
County Commissioners Meeting by the fact they are
Konnected! don't ya think? And when they vote on an
Elk Konnected, LLC at least two of the Commissioners are voting in favor of their
Konnection, right?
Now isn't that a clear marriage of Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk County Government?
Perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC's Attorney Marla Ware can clear the air on this one?
I'd imagine some of our Elk County money is making it that way through Elk Konnected, LLC if she is being paid by Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Or is your work for Elk Konnected, LLC voluntary like Elk Konnected, LLC wants every one else to volunteer to work for their privately owned company?
Oh and I still haven't recieved an answer about the actual location and boundaries or how many people are in the Elk Konnected, LLC Community, can you clear that up for me with specifics?
Lots and Lots of questions and more questions too?
Oh the link for
"Stay with us as we grow!" is at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
3) Ross & Patriot - you have both been at public meetings and yet you will not have a one on one conversation with me and ask these questions to my face and allow us to have civil dialogue .... why not?
Questions - with my attempt to answer.
A) Why should a privately owned company have access to County Funds to promote themselves?
Elk Konnected is one of several organization that has used money from the Parks and Recreation fund which is not a property tax, but a liquor tax and come from the sale of liquor at private club (of which Elk County has one - Flint Oak) Over the past 6 years, money has been paid to City of Howard - Fireworks, City of Longton - Fireworks and Park improvement, Elk Co 4-H - Firework, Elk Co Rodeo assn - Firework, Howard Chamber of Commerce - Jackson Park, Elk Co Junior Jam - Basketball equipment, Longton Summer Ball - Ball equipment, Grenola Comm. Building - Improvements, Howard Ball Club - Ball Equipment and Elk Konnected.B)
C)As County Commissioner will you permit othe privately owned company's and business' access to the same funds?
None of the money requested from the Parks & Rec fund has gone to Elk Konnected LLC. According to the records supplied to me by the County Treasurer as of 6.23.11, the Parks fund reimbursed Richard Fish for the purchase of outdoor movie equipment and David Whetstone for the purchase of soccer equipment & pitch hit and Run equipment or ECCEF for soccer equipment. Again the way the statue is written moneys in Parks & Recreation special funds shall be under the direction and control of the board of county commissioners. Moneys in the special parks and recreation fund may be expended only for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities.
Well which is it madame commissioner, either they recieved funds or they didn't? You know, the first sign that someone is lying is THEY CAN'T KEEP THEIR STORY STRAIGHT!
First you say that they recieved funds from the parks and rec. fund, then you say that none of the money requested from that fund has gone to elk konnected.
Come on, lets hear some of those honest facts you talked about!
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
D)Why did you as County Commissioner write a letter to Elk Konnected, LLC praising yourself?The letter you are referring to was written to Elk Konnected and printed in the Kansas Country Living. I was paid by Public Square Communities to write that letter. I think it is important to recognize the progress that has been made to date.
So let me get this straight, as a commissioner you voted or gave the ok for money to go to elk konnected, elk konnected pays public squares an annual fee, public squares pays you to write a letter praising what they have done? Can you say graft boys and girls?
QuoteE)As County Commissioner you represent me and every citizen in Elk County, right?
I do, however I am elected from District 2 of Elk County.
If you represent me then I should be able to vote for you, or more importantly against you.
QuoteD)Have you received consent from the citizens of Elk County to represent them with praising Elk Konnected, LLC or using our County to represent that other private company Public Squares Communities, LLC ----- your other employer?
I don't see where I have to get the consent of the citizens. Are you saying every time I am asked to speak or write about Elk Konnected, the county, my real estate job, my husband and my business - I need to get the permission of the Elk County voters - how do I go about doing that - holding an election at the taxpayer's cost - really?
If you are speaking for the county and its citizens then you should do so in accordance with their wishes and their views, not your own. You are a representive not a leader, monarch, or queen.
I modified and add to my post
Quote from: Ross on October 09, 2011, 06:50:06 AM
It's just not easy to come up with all these questions?
I also changed my thing at the bottom of each post, cool, huh?
And IMHO it really sucks that Elk Konnected, LLC who we know for a fact
seem to have a hard time giving straight answers.
I hope everyone is having a good weekend.
When she was elected, she was given the permission. Period. You don't want her to have permission any further? Vote for someone else. Until then...Give her the support you all promised her when you elected her. Liz has come on here, in good faith, to answer your questions. As predicted, you all have crucified her for her efforts. No answer she could give would meet your "needs". Gee...Who could have seen that one coming.
Quote from: Catwoman on October 09, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
When she was elected, she was given the permission. Period. You don't want her to have permission any further? Vote for someone else. Until then...Give her the support you all promised her when you elected her. Liz has come on here, in good faith, to answer your questions. As predicted, you all have crucified her for her efforts. No answer she could give would meet your "needs". Gee...Who could have seen that one coming.
You are getting smarter Catwoman, but not smart enough.
You know, I think our Council woman has turned on her defenses again.
I guess we expect the rest of you real soon, right?
But good faith, give me a break. First you need to comprehend the meaning of the term.
We definitly want truthful answers, not those
different thingy, things.
perhaps they promised her support for doing a job for Elk County not Elk Konnected, LLC and when she knows the difference perhaps she will receive that support once again.
It's one of those different thingys, do you comprehend?
Quote from: Catwoman on October 09, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
When she was elected, she was given the permission. Period.
You are terribly wrong on that statement.
You see being elected does not give permission to do what ever you want.
Unless everyone believes in the different thingy, thing.
And she needs to respect her constituents.
Where did you go to school?
Do you believe any elected official has the right to do whatever they want to do?
Did they teach that at the school you attended?
From Ms. Hendricks:
Quote1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
In all due respect, I believe the key word here is
honest. I see alot of backtracking to the answers. (yes, i have read the same repetitive posts as most.)
I think most people want an honest answer to where their money has gone, as obviously it has not gone to the infrastructures, ie, roads that most are not only wanting, but needing however to a select few.
If this was an election year, you bet yer darn tooty you would be reading these posts, and all of them to get a feel of the county, or at least I would be reading. Please don't throw your next baby out with the bathwash in your next election.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on October 09, 2011, 12:40:57 PM
From Ms. Hendricks:
In all due respect, I believe the key word here is honest.
And when the honest facts presented don't match the obvious facts observed or conflict with previous 'honest answers' given, then something's wrong.
Either Elk Konnected does or does not receive tax money. Either money from booze taxes are tax revenues or they are not. Either the Youth Development Director works for the citizens as a county employee or not. Either work done by that person is done on county time paid for the county taxpayers, or not. Either Elk Konnected flyers are printed on county equipment by a county employee on county time or they are not. If they are, then either the county is reimbursed for the time and materials or they are not. And on and on and on.
In all cases above even after the 'honest facts' provided by the county commissioner/EK founder/steering committee member, we still find ourselves asking "Well, which is it?"
For kripes sake.... at least make the stories believable!
A question for Elk County Commissioner Hendricks
Would you be good enough to tell the Community of Elk County
Exactly how much money is available in the Elk County
Parks and Recreation Fund that is available for the use of the individual Cities?
Since this is public information and readily available to you as County Commissioner it should be a
relatively easy question for you to acquire the answer to.
Thank You Commissioner Hendricks.
You don't think Ross has had a heart attack or stroke, do yuh... Its been a few hours since he has posted. Maybe somebody needs to call 911... Diane, are you available ???
I've got my AED right here. Actually, I think he's been doing some digging...The real dirt kind. ;) He's probably finishing up today.
I love it folks. But you really don't need to worry about that happening.
I take my daily aspirin.
My wife just returned home from a visit to help her parents in Seattle.
There were serious health problems and one of them is terminal,
maybe a year left.
So anyway she is keeping me busy with honey-do.
Quote from: Varmit on October 09, 2011, 09:49:30 AMIf you are speaking for the county and its citizens then you should do so in accordance with their wishes and their views, not your own. You are a representive not a leader, monarch, or queen.
I wouldn't say
completely on their wishes and views (when you do that we get the problems we have now). More so the wishes and views of citizens, among other things, that are in accordance with the U.S. and State Constitutions. Don't they have an Oath of Office when entering office? For example, here's one from Butler County, KS:
QuoteI, (name), do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Kansas, and faithfully discharge the duties of Butler County Commissioner. So help me God.
The Constitution is great because...
it works. Notice how the U.S. and local governments starting getting worse and worse as time went on... as they kept getting further away from the Constitution? Exactly.
Quote from: mtcookson on October 10, 2011, 03:56:12 PM
I wouldn't say completely on their wishes and views (when you do that we get the problems we have now). More so the wishes and views of citizens, among other things, that are in accordance with the U.S. and State Constitutions. Don't they have an Oath of Office when entering office? For example, here's one from Butler County, KS:
QUOTE
I, (name), do solemnly swear that I will support the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State of Kansas, and faithfully discharge the duties of Butler County Commissioner. So help me God.
The Constitution is great because... it works. Notice how the U.S. and local governments starting getting worse and worse as time went on... as they kept getting further away from the Constitution? Exactly.
I asked at the court house to see the oath our people take and I do not remember reading anything about faithfully discharging the duties of Elk County Commissioner or any form of allegiance to Elk County. They use a generic oath for all employees or so I was told.
Definition of ALLEGIANCE:
the fidelity owed by a subject or citizen to a government
devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause
A rerun for County Commissioner Hendricks in case she missed it the first time.Quote from: Ross on October 10, 2011, 06:06:14 AM
A question for Elk County Commissioner Hendricks
Would you be good enough to tell the Community of Elk County
Exactly how much money is available in the Elk County
Parks and Recreation Fund that is available for the use of the individual Cities?
Since this is public information and readily available to you as County Commissioner it should be a
relatively easy question for you to acquire the answer to.
Thank You Commissioner Hendricks.
Quote from: Ross on October 10, 2011, 06:06:14 AM
A question for Elk County Commissioner Hendricks
Would you be good enough to tell the Community of Elk County
Exactly how much money is available in the Elk County
Parks and Recreation Fund that is available for the use of the individual Cities?
Since this is public information and readily available to you as County Commissioner it should be a
relatively easy question for you to acquire the answer to.
Thank You Commissioner Hendricks.
Why not call the county offices and ask yourself? If the information is available to the public, then it's available to you.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on October 10, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
Why not call the county offices and ask yourself? If the information is available to the public, then it's available to you.
I understand the books aren't all that easy to understand.
Besides what is a County Commissioner for if they can't answer a simple question.
And too, it would be an official answer coming from a County Comissioner and not hear-say.
Don't you see?
Or perhaps our County Commissioner just doesn't care about the Elk County Citizens request and concerns ?
I have not read one simple direct answer from Elk konnected, LLC or our County Commissioner, I wonder why that is?
Okay, I'm pushing this one, but it should be very easy for her due to the fact that Elk Konnected, LLC IMHO is utilizing the Parks and recreation more and for more money than any one else ??? Would you be good enough to tell the Community of Elk County Exactly how much money is available in the Elk County Parks and Recreation Fund that is available for the use of the individual Cities?
Okay, I'll change it to approximately how much because of a few variable involved in the calculation of the funds.
But, also she was either unable or unwilling to tell us what other Company or LLC in Elk County is using the Elk County Parks and Recreation fund, why is that? She spoke of community organizations but no LLC's or companies? ???
Real answers would be greatly appreciated, don't you think?
And I wonder why the volunteers on the steering committe feind what was, was it ignorance or being stupid volunteers? Do you suppose it is because they are kept in the dark and just follow the boss' orders?
And we recieved absolutly no report on the accomplishments or information on how Elk Konnected is actually making Elk County a better place to live and I wonder why, don't you?
So, here we are another day and no real answers, do you think we will ever be able to get real answers?
Maybe today ???
Okay I forgot yesterday was Columbus day.
But today isn't, so perhaps today we could get some answers.
Whatcha think?
Quote from: Ross on October 10, 2011, 09:03:13 PM
I understand the books aren't all that easy to understand.
Besides what is a County Commissioner for if they can't answer a simple question.
And too, it would be an official answer coming from a County Commissioner and not hear-say.
Don't you see?
Or perhaps our County Commissioner just doesn't care about the Elk County Citizens request and concerns ?
Sorry, but I still think that's a legitimate question for you (or any citizen) to ask. Coming from the County Clerk's office, it would not be hearsay. It would be very official.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on October 11, 2011, 03:55:26 PM
Sorry, but I still think that's a legitimate question for you (or any citizen) to ask. Coming from the County Clerk's office, it would not be hearsay. It would be very official.
It would be hearsay if I posted it on the forum.
However, if the County Commissioner posted it, it would not be hearsay because we are suppose to be able to
trust our elected officials, right?
Which brings to mind why isn't information posted on our official Elk County web site.
Now there is an image maker.
And our web site is very uninformative and lacks creativity.
Many, many counties across the country have very, impressive web sites.
Try this web site with a lot of County Information on it. And it's information is geared to the residents of the county.
http://kitsapgov.com/
What's wrong with our County employees updating our web site?
Speaking of Elk Konnected and their Grenola conversation... We did learn that the following government bodies have contributed tax money to Elk Konnected for their use in paying membership/consulting fees to Public Square Communities, LLC.: Longton, Moline, Severy and Elk County. We also learned that the portion paid by Elk County was paid out of the Parks and Recreation budget. Wait... Elk Konnected reminded us that those budget monies, according to state law, can ONLY be for parks and recreation related activities in the county. Of course they also said it isn't tax money... it is, it's just nor derived from property taxes. Oopsy.
Quote from: Patriot on October 11, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
Speaking of Elk Konnected and their Grenola conversation...
We were also informed by Dr. Whetstone that Elk Konnected had gotten the 2009 and 2011 Summer Day Camp grants (some $27,000 worth) from the Kansas Health Foundation.... until it was pointed out that those grants were applied for by and paid to Elk County. Other steering committee members verified that fact. Elk Konnected, of course, had carte blanch when it came to spending those monies. When asked by a visitor who the grant writer was, the steering committee unanimously identified Jennifer Brummel, Elk County Economic Development Director/Youth Development Coordinator.... but she said she charged and was paid nothing to write the grant applications.... unless, of course, you consider the wages we, the taxpayers, give her every month 'pay'. Dontcha kist love the play on words?
Quote from: Patriot on October 11, 2011, 05:02:50 PM
Speaking of Elk Konnected and their Grenola conversation...
I was informed that all those fliers that were handed out advertising the event resulted in a claim for and reimbursement of mileage expenses for the county employee who delivered/posted them.... you guess who that might be. Do we reimburse at the federal rate (like 55 cents/mile)? Of course given the meager community turn out, was it really worth the bucks? Who printed those fliers, I wonder.
Maybe some elected officials of Elk County would benefit from reading Article 11 of the Kansas Bill of Rights and the First Amendment of the United States Bill of Rights before they open their mouth and start bitching or outright lying about people, seeking only to shut them up. I have bold-faced the type where you need to read so it's not that difficult for you. If you have trouble, get one of your employees to read it to you! I will now attend any Elk Konnected meeting where I can from this day out. Maybe I will even use vacation days to attend County Commissioner meetings as well!---Mr. Robert L. Walker
Pay close attention to Article 11 in the Kansas Bill of Rights and Amendment 1 of the United States Bill of Rights
Kansas Bill of Rights
1. Equal rights. All men are possessed of equal and inalienable natural rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
2. Political power; privileges. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and are instituted for their equal protection and benefit. No special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted by the legislature, which may not be altered, revoked or repealed by the same body; and this power shall be exercised by no other tribunal or agency.
3. Right of peaceable assembly; petition. The people have the right to assemble, in a peaceable manner, to consult for their common good, to instruct their representatives, and to petition the government, or any department thereof, for the redress of grievances.
4. Individual right to bear arms; armies. A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and state, for lawful hunting and recreational use, and for any other lawful purpose; but standing armies, in time of peace, are dangerous to liberty, and shall not be tolerated, and the military shall be in strict subordination to the civil power.
5. Trial by jury. The right of trial by jury shall be inviolate.
6. Slavery prohibited. There shall be no slavery in this state; and no involuntary servitude, except for the punishment of crime, whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.
7. Religious liberty. The right to worship God according to the dictates of conscience shall never be infringed; nor shall any person be compelled to attend or support any form of worship; nor shall any control of or interference with the rights of conscience be permitted, nor any preference be given by law to any religious establishment or mode of worship. No religious test or property qualification shall be required for any office of public trust, nor for any vote at any elections, nor shall any person be incompetent to testify on account of religious belief.
8. Habeas corpus. The right to the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless the public safety requires it in case of invasion or rebellion.
9. Bail. All persons shall be bailable by sufficient sureties except for capital offenses, where proof is evident or the presumption great. Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel or unusual punishment inflicted.
10. Trial; defense of accused. In all prosecutions, the accused shall be allowed to appear and defend in person, or by counsel; to demand the nature and cause of the accusation against him; to meet the witness face to face, and to have compulsory process to compel the attendance of the witnesses in his behalf, and a speedy public trial by an impartial jury of the county or district in which the offense is alleged to have been committed. No person shall be a witness against himself, or be twice put in jeopardy for the same offense.
11. Liberty of press and speech; libel. The liberty of the press shall be inviolate; and all persons may freely speak, write or publish their sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of such rights; and in all civil or criminal actions for libel, the truth may be given in evidence to the jury, and if it shall appear that the alleged libelous matter was published for justifiable ends, the accused party shall be acquitted.
12. No forfeiture of estate for crimes. No conviction within the state shall work a forfeiture of estate.
13. Treason. Treason shall consist only in levying war against the state, adhering to its enemies, or giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the evidence of two witnesses to the overt act, or confession in open court.
14. Soldiers' quarters. No soldier shall, in time of peace, be quartered in any house without the consent of the occupant, nor in time of war, except as prescribed by law.
15. Search and seizure. The right of the people to be secure in their persons and property against unreasonable searches and seizures shall be inviolate; and no warrant shall issue but on probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, particularly describing the place to be searched and the persons or property to be seized.
16. Imprisonment for debt. No person shall be imprisoned for debt, except in cases of fraud.
17. Property rights of citizens and aliens. No distinction shall ever be made between citizens of the state of Kansas and the citizens of other states and territories of the United States in reference to the purchase, enjoyment or descent of property. The rights of aliens in reference to the purchase, enjoyment or descent of property may be regulated by law.
18. Justice without delay. All persons, for injuries suffered in person, reputation or property, shall have remedy by due course of law, and justice administered without delay.
19. Emoluments or privileges prohibited. No hereditary emoluments, honors, or privileges shall ever be granted or conferred by the state.
20. Powers retained by people. This enumeration of rights shall not be construed to impair or deny others retained by the people; and all powers not herein delegated remain with the people.
The United States Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
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Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
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Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
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Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
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Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Quote from: Catwoman on October 09, 2011, 11:21:13 AM
When she was elected, she was given the permission. Period. You don't want her to have permission any further? Vote for someone else. Until then...Give her the support you all promised her when you elected her. Liz has come on here, in good faith, to answer your questions. As predicted, you all have crucified her for her efforts. No answer she could give would meet your "needs". Gee...Who could have seen that one coming.
Wow! And you used to be teacher??
First of all, I did not, would not, and will not vote for her. Wrong district. So I nor anyone else living in districts 1 or 3 gave her permission nor owe her support. And even if it were possible for me to vote for her I still wouldn't owe her a damn thing, she works for the people that voted for her NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! If she did come on here in "good faith" she could have answered the questions truthfully instead of trying to tap dance her way around them.
Crucified her?...All that happened was that she got called on the B.S. she spouted off.
Whatever "support" her position grants her was thrown out the window when she lied. If you want to support a liar that is your business, but when an elected offical lies thats everyones business. Espcially when that offical says she represents those that didn't vote for her.
So tell me catwoman, how are you going to defend her when she lies again?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on October 10, 2011, 08:43:48 PM
Why not call the county offices and ask yourself? If the information is available to the public, then it's available to you.
Because as an elected offical she is accountable to the citizens of this county. Her and the other two commissioners work for us, we are their bosses, when we say jump the only thing they should do is ask "how high".
What's a YDAT meeting? Could that be Elk Konnected's Youth Development Action Team? If so, why would the county reimburse Jennifer Brummel mileage for attending? I thought Brummel was an admitted member of Elk Konnected. Are we splitting Youth Development Coordinator hairs again? All volunteer, right?
Excellent post hillbilly. Many in our county gov't would benefit greatly from reading it.
Quote from: Varmit on October 11, 2011, 08:03:24 PM
Excellent post hillbilly. Many in our county gov't would benefit greatly from reading it.
As would many citizens who go to great lengths to defend the status quo. Where a lack of integrity grows, it really flourishes when watered with blind encouragement.
Quote from: Ross on October 11, 2011, 11:55:05 AM
Okay I forgot yesterday was Columbus day.
But today isn't, so perhaps today we could get some answers.
Whatch rhink?
Here's one. Do you continually pick your nose, Ross.
Answer:
Someone who habitually picks his nose is called a rhinotillexomaniac (rhino=nose, tillexis=habit of picking at something, mania=obsession with something).
There, you learned something today. (I know, its a little picky)
See: What is it called?
Quote from: Warph on October 11, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Here's one. Do you continually pick your nose, Ross.
Answer:
Someone who habitually picks his nose is called a rhinotillexomaniac (rhino=nose, tillexis=habit of picking at something, mania=obsession with something).
There, you learned something today. (I know, its a little picky)
Quote from: Warph on October 11, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Here's one. Do you continually pick your nose, Ross.
Answer:
Someone who habitually picks his nose is called a rhinotillexomaniac (rhino=nose, tillexis=habit of picking at something, mania=obsession with something).
There, you learned something today. (I know, its a little picky)
See: What is it called?
Amazing Warph you went to all that trouble just for me,
thank you.
Yes and it's my nose to pick if I so choose?
Whose nose do you pick?
Are you Konnected?
Yep.... I'm always connected!
Can anyone, especially our County Commissioner tell us what Elk Konnected, LLC with all the assistance Elk Konnected, LLC has paid Public Squares Communities, LLC for, just what has been accomplished for the betterment of Elk County?
One accomplishment Elk Konnected, LLC use to push was their Wellness Center that was started with someone else's money, but after a short period of failure shut it's doors, what else have they done?
Oh, I think as a privately owned company and LLC that is, they have managed to do what no other privately owned company or LLC in Elk County has done and that is to use the Parks and Recreation Fund and most likely recieved more funds from it then any of the community organizations, would that possibly be an accomplishment?
No body else in the county has used our County Resources more then them either IMHO, would that be an accomplishment?
They mimicked Longton/Oak Valley/Elk Falls ,"Community Appreciation Day", didn't they. I suppose that is an accomplishment to, don't you?
Quote from: L Hendricks on April 30, 2008, 09:19:33 PM
Judy, I too was in Longton this am and experiencing their "community appreciation day". In my opinion, this is a great thing that the Elk Valley school and Longton/Oak Valley/Elk Falls do. It was also such a great asset that it was decided to duplicate it in every community that Elk Konnected services. Unfortunately for whatever "reasons" West Elk couldn't buy into the idea. For me, I can't think of a better way to get the youth involved in the community and get the community connected to the youth. Guess that is just my opinion. The Elk Konnected group is going to do it without the school support and try to get the youth to join the cities on their city wide clean up days. The girls and I also got to experience the new play equipment at the Longton city park - it was really nice. The Elk Valley school also fed all the kids and volunteers lunch and the workers got snacks in the am and pm. I wish the other cities would work on their parks. I know the county chipped in money for the pea gravel to go under the park equipment. Also there are funds at the county level for Parks and Recreation that comes from the sale of alcohol and is available for all cities, organizations to use. It is not a tax levied at the county level.
Is that a lot of accomplishments or what?
Let's hear it for our County Commissioner. Hip, hip
Quote from: Warph on October 11, 2011, 08:14:19 PM
Answer:
Someone who habitually picks his nose is called a rhinotillexomaniac (rhino=nose, tillexis=habit of picking at something, mania=obsession with something).
There, you learned something today. (I know, its a little picky)
LOL!!!!! ;D ;D
Catwoman you silly girl, you didn't seem to comprehend the complete conversation about picking, and it was really short.
Catwoman just for you to understand, what started out as snotty comment, I tried to be polite and turn it humorous.
Only it became outrageously funny.
Perhaps putting it all together just for you in one post you will be able to comprehend.
Quote from: Warph on October 11, 2011, 08:12:10 PM
Here's one. Do you continually pick your nose, Ross.
Answer:
Someone who habitually picks his nose is called a rhinotillexomaniac (rhino=nose, tillexis=habit of picking at something, mania=obsession with something).
There, you learned something today. (I know, its a little picky)
See: What is it called?
Quote from: Ross on October 11, 2011, 08:16:24 PM
Amazing Warph you went to all that trouble just for me,
thank you.
Yes and it's my nose to pick if I so choose?
Whose nose do you pick?
Are you Konnected?
Connected picking what?
Quote from: Patriot on October 11, 2011, 08:38:14 PM
ROTFLMAO
Patriot understood.
Quote from: Warph on October 11, 2011, 08:40:38 PM
Yep.... I'm always connected!
I did not expect this answer. Too funny.
Connected picking what?
I hope that clears things up for you Catwoman.
It appears our Elk Konnected, LLC/County Commissioner went back into hiding again, why?
I can't believe our questions are that difficult to answer truthfully do you?
Is there nothing she can tell us or is it she doesn't want to tell us?
This was first posted by an Elk Konnected, LLC follower and I will continue to use it
because it is the truth. I did modify it ever so slightly. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity , then others must ask why ? "
Warph,
What's the term for those who are continually picking other peoples pockets from behind? Would that be reKtotillixomaniaK?
Quote from: Ross on October 12, 2011, 05:35:33 AM
It appears our Elk Konnected, LLC/County Commissioner went back into hiding again, why?
I can't believe our questions are that difficult to answer truthfully do you?
Is there nothing she can tell us or is it she doesn't want to tell us?
This was first posted by an Elk Konnected, LLC follower and I will continue to use it
because it is the truth. I did modify it ever so slightly.
It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity , then others must ask why ? "
For those who may be new to this thread, and those who continue to be subjected to the Ross Billboard of late, the statements he continues to misuse were originally written by me in reference to Ross and patriots small handful of followers, not Elk Konnected.
But he leaves that part out, on purpose, to try and trick others into thinking they were written by "an Elk Konnected, LLC follower" about Elk Konnected. For the original (and correct) usage of the statements please go to the following post from April and read them in their original context:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
As I asked politely a month ago - "Ross, please, come up with your own statements, and quit misusing mine."
Flint
Quote from: Patriot on October 12, 2011, 08:34:21 AM
Warph, What's the term for those who are continually picking other peoples pockets from behind? Would that be reKtotillixomaniaK?
Yeh know, I've been scratching my head and pulling my hair out.... (what little I have) but, for the life of me, I dunno. You tell me.
You bozo's ... (and I use this term in a respectful manner 'cause you guys are so funny....you know, Bozo=clown) ....seemed to enjoy the nose-pickin' thingy so much, I thought I'd throw this in: The next time you guys are sittin' around popping a few cold ones and discussing what to do next, you need to know that certain beers are much better than wine and all those distilled spirits. I know... what about the alcohol content, you ask? The number one thing to a health contribution from alcohol (usually 5% in beer, more in some imported types) is just that... Ethanol... and it's in beer. But here is the best part... beer contains antioxidants and more vitamins and minerals than wine. The only thing bad about any alcohol is abuse-overuse. That's a no-no. So here is a little chart I made up for you to follow: 4 gills of ale and beer is 1 pint; 2 pints = 1 quart; 4 quarts = 1 gallon; 9 gallons = 1 firkin; 2 firkins = 1 kilderkin; 3 kilderkins = 1 hogshead; and 2 hogsheads = 1 butt.
And after all of that beer and your stomach starts to growl, this is technically called "borborygmi." The growls are caused by contractions of the muscles of the stomach and small intestine and sometimes by muscles contractions of the large intestine (colon). It is telling you that you're hungry and you need something for the ol' pie hole. As you probably know or you don't know, this coming Friday is "Eat an Insect" Day.
What better way to celebrate it than putting away a few "hogsheads" or a "butt" or two of beer of your choice. Be sure to have a taxi standing by to cart your poor inberiated self home. No DUI's allowed on the forum.... (I just made that up) Or call a friend... just don't call Jarhead because you may wind up in the K.City Jail and you'd have Teresa bailing you out. That's one ride home that I wouldn't want be on.... that is, IF you make it home in one piece.
Getting back to "Eat an Insect" Day. A sure way to get rid of those old pesky stomach growls when you get hungry after all that beer, is by downing a couple dozen nutritious "crickets." In case you didnt know, most insects are edible. Yep, thats right. And according to eatbug.com at http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/eatbug.com, there are 1,462 recorded species of edible insects and they're quite nutritious (so the entomophagist say). For instance, 100 grams of cricket contains only 121 calories, less than half of beef (beef is bad for the heart, btw). A cricket contains only 5,5 grams of fat, compared to 21,2g of beef. Beef contains more protein (23,5g... a cricket 12.9g) but the 100g of cricket also contains 5,1g of carbohydrates, 75,8 mg calcium, 185,3 mg phosphorous, 9,5 mg iron, thiamin, riboflavin, and niacin. Yummy. Get started on these little critters and you too (or should I say "you two") can become a entomophagist. I know, I know.... no need to thank me. It's the coming thing nowadays.
Got to go now and check on my ant farm.... they get a little upset when they don't get their sugar cubes on time. Hang in there as you're doing a ... uh... great job... seriously.
BTW, I don't want to get too nosey but, I hope your nose-picking isn't on company time.
Quote from: Warph on October 12, 2011, 11:58:47 AM
Yeh know, I've been scratching my head and pulling my hair out.... (what little I have) but, for the life of me, I dunno. You tell me.
You bozo's ... (and I use this term in a respectful manner 'cause you guys are so funny....you know, Bozo=clown) ....seemed to enjoy the nose-pickin' thingy so much, BTW, I don't want to get too nosey but, I hope your nose-picking isn't on company time.
Good one Warph, I especially appreciate your sense of humor!
I always say if you can't have fun, ya can't have nothin'.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 12, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
For those who may be new to this thread, and those who continue to be subjected to the Ross Billboard of late, the statements he continues to misuse were originally written by me in reference to Ross and patriots small handful of followers, not Elk Konnected.
But he leaves that part out, on purpose, to try and trick others into thinking they were written by "an Elk Konnected, LLC follower" about Elk Konnected. For the original (and correct) usage of the statements please go to the following post from April and read them in their original context:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
As I asked politely a month ago - "Ross, please, come up with your own statements, and quit misusing mine."
Flint
First Flint You should understand this is not a billboard and second it is not mine, please get the facts straight?
Billboards are on the highway and the forum is owned by someone else. Nice try at twisting.
Where is the mis-use on my part?
It can apply equally to any group, especially if the people are our Elected Officials, don't you think?
As has been said in the past, it's not copywrited is it?
As well some of the terms are used throughout the internet with different words attached?
I did admit to making minor adjustments to it, nothing to hide on my part, don't yopu see?
Don't you believe a concerned, patriotic citizen should be interested in what their government and elected officails are doing?
I do believe you are jealous, because I found a much better use for it.
You mean you are not an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?Well, my, my I am so surprised, what a revelation?
What is your relationship to Elk Konnected, LLC?I ask because you have sounded just like an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?
Are you something better than an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?Clarification would be appreciated so I don't make the same error again, please?
I see that Elk Konnected has sent in the Detractor Team. That's fine fellas. The questions 'answered' in Grenola by the EK first string were riddled with rhetoric, doubletalk, half truths, self aggrandizement, and even seasoned with some potential violations of Kansas State law. But at least they were truthful about facts a couple of times when called out. Their non-local facilitator was careful to 'park' (that is avoid answering) some of the more important questions. It was an entertaining dance, but definitely not the whole show.
Stay connected citizens, this thing is far from over. In spite of the sidetracks offered by a few out of towners who have no real stake in it all.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 12, 2011, 11:11:57 AM
For those who may be new to this thread, and those who continue to be subjected to the Ross Billboard of late, the statements he continues to misuse were originally written by me in reference to Ross and patriots small handful of followers, not Elk Konnected.
But he leaves that part out, on purpose, to try and trick others into thinking they were written by "an Elk Konnected, LLC follower" about Elk Konnected. For the original (and correct) usage of the statements please go to the following post from April and read them in their original context:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234
As I asked politely a month ago - "Ross, please, come up with your own statements, and quit misusing mine."
Flint
Flint,
The statement is slightly modified and used in the same context, one of them sorta "different thingy's", not really.
It was used to tell people to question and is still being used to
ask people to question. Slight difference.
I must reply to you once again.
I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say, infact I mainly ask questions, don't you see?
Also if I say something I would encourage people to question whatever it is, and to think for themselves
and make their own decisions?
Try this one:
What's good for the
gander (us), is surely good for the
goose, don't you think?
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity , then others must ask why ? "
Quote from: Ross on October 12, 2011, 12:37:26 PM
Don't you believe a concerned, patriotic citizen should be interested in their government and elected officails are doing?
You mean you are not an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?
Well, my, my I am so surprised, what a revelation?
What is your relationship to Elk Konnected, LLC?
I ask because you have sounded just like an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?
Are you something better than an Elk Konnected, LLC follower?
Clarification would be appreciated so I don't make the same error again, please?
Come back.
Warph, you are too funny... ;D ;D...It is hoped that the two yahoos that you are trying to educate are actually part of the trainable population...Although, judging from what they've posted here recently, I wouldn't drop any money on that wager.
Has anyone read the big front page article in the Prairie Star?
They discussed the little meeting in Grenola where very few people showed up.
To me the article almost sounded like all of Elk County showed up, just my humble opinion, is that okay?
My count was about 35 people showed up mostly just to observe, a few did speak negatively about vaarious things, but I didn't see that in the paper, did you?
Is that bias reporting or what?
Once again no real details.
It appears to be common practice, don't you think , no real details that is?
Interesting, very interesting....
Quote from: Catwoman on October 12, 2011, 03:34:28 PM
It is hoped that the two yahoos that you are trying to educate are actually part of the trainable population...Although, judging from what they've posted here recently, I wouldn't drop any money on that wager.
train·a·ble
[trey-nuh-buhl]
adjective
1.
capable of being trained.
2.
Education . of or pertaining to moderately retarded individuals who may achieve some self-sufficiency, as in personal care.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is the first time I have ever posted anything on this forum, and can be quoted as saying the only thing more screwed up than this forum is the people who read and post on it, but in light of recent events Ive decided to put my two bits in.
First I started out with the first amendment to our great constitution, because every tax paying citizen has a right to air their thoughts, and my hats off to them for doing so. Second lets get back to the original question, are Elk County tax dollars being used by Konnected?
I too was at the meeting in Grenola, and still am with out a satisfactory answer, personally I think Elk Konnected has done some good things, lets face it people any progressive step in this County is a good thing, but again tax payers have a right to know how their tax dollars are used. with out insulting anyone I will close with this statement, there is the perception of impropriety on the part of Elk Konnected, I think just answering the questions will put all fears to rest. Have a great day
Quote from: chaoticowboy on October 12, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This is the first time I have ever posted anything on this forum, and can be quoted as saying the only thing more screwed up than this forum is the people who read and post on it, but in light of recent events Ive decided to put my two bits in.
First I started out with the first amendment to our great constitution, because every tax paying citizen has a right to air their thoughts, and my hats off to them for doing so. Second lets get back to the original question, are Elk County tax dollars being used by Konnected?
I too was at the meeting in Grenola, and still am with out a satisfactory answer, personally I think Elk Konnected has done some good things, lets face it people any progressive step in this County is a good thing, but again tax payers have a right to know how their tax dollars are used. with out insulting anyone I will close with this statement, there is the perception of impropriety on the part of Elk Konnected, I think just answering the questions will put all fears to rest. Have a great day
Nice post, however, I believe the problem goes a lot further than you think.
And I don't like having to disagree with you as a new poster, because I don't want to dissuade you from future posts.
But what exactly has good things Elk Konnected,
LLC done?
And I have to disagree with you about, "any progressive step in this County is a good thing" if done secretly or in confusion is not Elk County being progressive.
Even our State Capital is having a hard time. Have you read the Kansas Capital City has repealed the domestic violence law?
Budget cuts everywhere, does not signify a progressive time in our lives.
Go back to page one of this thread and read progressive, you should be amazed what a supposed million dollars can buy. That's amazing?
Quote from: chaoticowboy on October 12, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
First I started out with the first amendment to our great constitution, because every tax paying citizen has a right to air their thoughts, and my hats off to them for doing so. Second lets get back to the original question, are Elk County tax dollars being used by Konnected?
Thanks and welcome. In fact, that question was answered in Grenola. The answer was (allbeit relucant) ... yes. An EK steering committee member clearly said that Elk Konnected had ask for and received monies from the cities of Longton, Moline and Severy and the county of Elk for use in payments they made to Public Square Communities, LLC. Of course, that leaves many unanswered questions regarding 'payments in kind' via the use of government resources and employee time to further Elk Konnected's activities and 'branding' efforts, as David Whetstone called them.
Quote from: chaoticowboy on October 12, 2011, 04:25:33 PM
I too was at the meeting in Grenola, and still am with out a satisfactory answer, personally I think Elk Konnected has done some good things, lets face it people any progressive step in this County is a good thing, but again tax payers have a right to know how their tax dollars are used. with out insulting anyone I will close with this statement, there is the perception of impropriety on the part of Elk Konnected, I think just answering the questions will put all fears to rest. Have a great day
Many still have unanswered questions and questions without satisfactory answers. Appearance of impropriety seems to be a concept alien to the folks who presided over the Grenola meeting. That very subject was brought up and was met with much rhetoric.
Yes, simple and verifiable answers might lay much of this to rest. But then that's been pointed out repeatedly over several months. I had high hopes for the Grenola gathering. Hopes now clouded by a continued lack of transparency. And the ongoing diversions presented by those who would distract from the serious matters of taxpayers rights to know the truth.
Ya know, Patriot and Ross, the majority of people reading this aren't "ignorant volunteers". They have questions that they don't want put into a damned "parking lot" because "we" have no quick answer to give "you" from a well prepared statement. Maybe if we could've submitted our questions in writing several weeks in advance, they would've had an answer that seemed reasonable (or not). Oh wait, we DID submit our questions in writing MONTHS in advance, according to one of the EK volunteers, since they received a list of questions from this very forum (that they did/do not read) and then had nice little prepared statements for answers. Remember, they don't know the outcome of how well EK is going to do. It will take years of indoctrinating the children of this county with "Oh boy, they brought us a slipper slide for 2 hours" and "Woohoo, I had snacks and got a dollar store toy at the day camp" before we know if those kids will come back and build businesses in this county in 20 years.
I was once told that if you took a frog and put it in a pot of boiling water, the frog would jump out. If you took another frog and put it in a pot and gradually heated the water, the frog will stay in until it's too late. Just saying. A little bit at a time, until it's too late.---Mr. Robert L. Walker
Yup, it's fascinating to say the least. As I've said before... inch by inch.
A little off topic, however pertinent to the method of EK (?)
I never dated without knowing the 'intent' of my suitor. I did get to know him well and asked others of him.
Had I known his 'intent',....I would have never gone out with the sunybeach.
ready and cautious
Now that I have that out of my system...<whew!>
I really do think EK has good intentions on the surface. I however do not believe they are upfront with their method of obtaining funds for these activities.
That is what concerns me.
ready
Well said Ready and
kshillbillys.
You know I hadn't heard that story about the frog in probably 40 years or more.
Good analogy.
Here's another analogy:
Mighty oaks grow from little acorns....keyword here: Acorn. They received a lot of taxpayer funds too and were ignorant supporters of Liberal trash!
Community organizing is a process where people who live in proximity to each other come together into an organization that acts in their shared self-interest. A core goal of community organizing is to generate durable power for an organization representing the community, allowing it to influence key decision-makers on a range of issues over time. In the ideal, for example, this can get community organizing groups a place at the table before important decisions are made.[1] Community organizers work with and develop new local leaders, facilitating coalitions and assisting in the development of campaigns.
Youth Organizing
More recently has come the emergence of youth organizing groups around the country. These groups use neo-Alinsky strategies while also usually providing social and sometimes material support to less-privileged youth. Most of these groups are created by and directed by youth or former youth organizers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_organizing
Community youth development, or CYD, is a philosophy emphasizing the uniquely symbiotic nature of youth development to community development by situating the two practices in a common framework. CYD combines the natural instincts of young people as they desire to create change in their surrounding environments by developing partnerships between youth-related organizations and community development agencies to create new opportunities for youth to serve their communities while developing their personal abilities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_youth_development
The Delphi method ( /ˈdɛlfaɪ/ del-fy) is a structured communication technique, originally developed as a systematic, interactive forecasting method which relies on a panel of experts.[1]
In the standard version, the experts answer questionnaires in two or more rounds. After each round, a facilitator provides an anonymous summary of the experts' forecasts from the previous round as well as the reasons they provided for their judgments. Thus, experts are encouraged to revise their earlier answers in light of the replies of other members of their panel. It is believed that during this process the range of the answers will decrease and the group will converge towards the "correct" answer. Finally, the process is stopped after a pre-defined stop criterion (e.g. number of rounds, achievement of consensus, stability of results) and the mean or median scores of the final rounds determine the results.
Anonymity of the participants
Usually all participants remain anonymous. Their identity is not revealed, even after the completion of the final report. This prevents the authority, personality, or reputation of some participants from dominating others in the process. Arguably, it also frees participants (to some extent) from their personal biases, minimizes the "bandwagon effect" or "halo effect", allows free expression of opinions, encourages open critique, and facilitates admission of errors when revising earlier judgments.
Role of the facilitator
The person coordinating the Delphi method can be known as a facilitator, and facilitates the responses of their panel of experts, who are selected for a reason, usually that they hold knowledge on an opinion or view. The facilitator sends out questionnaires, surveys etc. and if the panel of experts accept, they follow instructions and present their views. Responses are collected and analyzed, then common and conflicting viewpoints are identified. If consensus is not reached, the process continues through thesis and antithesis, to gradually work towards synthesis, and building consensus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delphi_technique
Quote from: kshillbillys on October 12, 2011, 10:01:29 PM
Here's another analogy:
Mighty oaks grow from little acorns....keyword here: Acorn. They received a lot of taxpayer funds too and were ignorant supporters of Liberal trash!
Just to let you know, ACORN is still around but under a new name, "New York Communities For Change"....
The moochers, looters, parasites and vultures are back with a new mask and same board members. Yep, the bloodsuckers have returned.... and are quickly back to stealing, looting, robbing the children, the schools, the working man, the poor.... all to line the fat pockets of fat cat statists. NYCity wanted to close 20 failing schools and replace them with new schools and new principals and new teachers but the United Federation of Teachers said no... no way will that happen.
Along came
ACORN NYCC. NYCC agreed. "Fix Our Schools, Don't Close 'Em," it declared. Predictably, the teachers unions are paying off these thugs big time.... giving
ACORN New York Communities for Change more than $200,000 last year.... a big chunk of the advocacy group's budget. NYCC's views on education mirrors the UFT's. According to NYCC documents, unions pumped about $300,000 into its coffers last year, and the group expects them to contribute $473,915 this year and $651,633 next year, a significant portion of its budget. They expect to go nation-wide down the road.
I'm sorry to say that NYCC isn't the only scam going in America All one has to do is google "Communities" and read between the lines on these clowns. Sound familiar?
Story at: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/acorn_is_reborn_in_klyn_S7iU9OTmK0vB5kf2lBkdhL
http://www.nycommunities.org/about
http://www.uft.org/
We have been told about the 57
visionary's Elk Konnected, LLC has but not who they are. Our County Commissioner says there is no record of them.
So are we to believe Elk Konnected, LLC and our County Commissioner operates with no records of anything?
Through out all my years of schooling I was taught to document.
Through out all my years of military service I was taught to document.
Through out all my years of employment I was taught to document.
Commissioner Hendricks Where is the
documentation of the 57 visionarians in Elk Konnected, LLC?
Oh well, I guess we will never know if they
really exist or not, do you think we will ever know the truth?
I was curious about the
actual definition of a visionary so I visited a couple of on line dictionary's and her is what I found.
Visionary
Merriam-Webster
1) visionary (adjective)
Definition of VISIONARY
1 : of the nature of a vision :
illusory b:
incapable of being realized or achieved :
utopian <a visionary scheme> c: existing only in imagination : unreal
(1uto·pi·an adj, often capitalized \-pē-ən\ )
1 : of, relating to, or having the characteristics of a utopia; especially: having impossibly ideal conditions especially of social organization 2 : able or likely to see visions b: disposed to reverie or imagining : dreamy
3 : of, relating to, or characterized by visions or the power of vision
4 : having or marked by foresight and imagination <a visionary leader> <a visionary invention>
2) visionary (noun
Definition of VISIONARY
noun
1 :
one whose ideas or projects are impractical : dreamer 2 : one who sees visions : seer
a person who is given to highly speculative or impractical ideas or schemes; dreamer.I guess I must be a
visionary , because I envision hearing or actually seeing the truth, but the definition above says otherwise, what do you think?
See definitions above that are in
bold print.
Doesn't my vision fit the definitions?
Quote from: Warph on October 12, 2011, 11:59:26 PM
I'm sorry to say that NYCC isn't the only scam going in America All one has to do is google "Communities" and read between the lines on these clowns. Sound familiar?
Warph, that's pretty good information to assist folks to recognize EK for what it really is.
Elk County is not immune from liberal schemes.
I would still like an answer from Liz or any of her minons as to why she lied about EK recieving funds from the county?
I would also like to know why it is that our commissioners seem unable to meet with the citizens of their respective districts without the aid of an EK sponsored faciliator?
Parents. Elk Konnected claims to engage the citizens, yet most generally spends their energies engaging our youth. Even one of their earliest Kommunity Konversations was centered around the education and future of our children.
Elk Konnected, LLC...
1. Routinely uses a county employee, on county time to do work for their company, using the county employee's official title as justification. (Note, it was EK who petitioned the government to create this position, and the majority vote to create it included two county commissioners who are/were official members of EK).
2. Links with the ECCEF (a private, tax exempt organization created by one of EK's founding and current members) to bypass and avoid qualifying for their own tax exempt status.
3. Routinely uses county resources to produce their advertising materials.
4. Funnels local and state taxpayer money to pay for membership/consulting dues in another private community organizing company. A company that employs one of our elected officials.
5. Causes taxpayers to pay mileage to a county employee for distributing their private advertising and attending their private meetings even when that employee is a member of their private company instead of paying for this themselves, again using the county employee's official position/title as justification.
6. Routinely markets or 'brands' themselves using events provided at the expense of others, with no credit extended to the actual providers.
7. Has used a county emergency service (reverse 911) as a personal event notification service rather than establishing their own service.
8. Has made use of a taxpayer provided official government website to host a page dedicated to themselves to the exclusion of all other groups and organizations in the county.
9. Had to be chastised in public for the actions in 7 & 8 above before ceasing those activities,
10. Routinely makes almost exclusive local use of state directed liquor tax monies for their activities, inferring (if not outright saying) those funds are derived only from Flint Oak, when in fact those funds are also derived from the sale of any alcoholic beverage by the drink at any establishment anywhere in the county.
11. Generally operates on a model of controlled public consensus to create an artificial sense of public support.
12. Approaches outside (albeit justified) criticism with loud cries of negativity and then avoids, for protracted periods, actually confronting their own inadequacies head on. Or either orchestrates or condones attempts by their supporters at public shunning or hostile humiliation of their critics.
13. Preys on the emotions of citizens by saying that their work is a solution to a shrinking population by instilling 'good' memories in our children who will someday return to Elk County. In spite of a total lack of evidence that this will make a difference and, in fact, not even produce measurable results for at least 15 to 25 years. In reality, this will not happen even then if there are no jobs and infrastructure is lacking.
14. When asked, provides conflicting answers about their interaction with government. First they say take no tax money, then say they do. Only one can be true. Their leadership provides information that seems incoherent at best, untruthful at worst.
All this under the careful watch of an official who was elected to help manage our county and who also is a founder and current senior steering member of the private company, Elk Konnected. Whose private community service work coincidentally began with the founding of the ECCEF at about the same time as election to public office. Has the ECCEF ever received taxpayer money from Elk County sources?
Which raises the question...
Do the actions of this private company (and its leadership) that is so prone to business shortcuts, appearances of impropriety, word-smithing, endless victim/martyr cycles, avoidance of criticism and continual self praise possess a value system that sets a good example for the children with whom they so closely align and interact at every opportunity? Do we really want our children learning, by example, that shortcuts, government handouts, personal entitlement, victimhood and rejection of criticism are the best ways to achieve their life dreams and desires?
Citizens, and parents, stay connected. Never expect that which you don't inspect.
Quote from: Ross on October 10, 2011, 04:23:04 PM
I asked at the court house to see the oath our people take and I do not remember reading anything about faithfully discharging the duties of Elk County Commissioner or any form of allegiance to Elk County. They use a generic oath for all employees or so I was told.
Just found this while searching some other statutes:
Quote75-4308. Oath required for public officers and employees. Before entering upon the duties of his or her office or employment, each person to be employed by the state or any agency thereof or by any county, city or other municipality of the state including any school, college or university supported in whole or in part by public funds collected under any tax law of the state or any municipality thereof shall be required to subscribe in writing to the oath set out in K.S.A. 54-106.
Quote54-106. Form of oath to be taken by officer. All officers elected or appointed under any law of the state of Kansas shall, before entering upon the duties of their respective offices, take and subscribe an oath or affirmation, as follows:
"I do solemnly swear [or affirm, as the case may be] that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Kansas, and faithfully discharge the duties of ______. So help me God."
Quote from: Patriot on October 14, 2011, 07:53:39 AMElk Konnected, LLC...
1. Routinely uses a county employee, on county time to do work for their company, using the county employee's official title as justification. (Note, it was EK who petitioned the government to create this position, and the majority vote to create it included two county commissioners who are/were official members of EK).
Would that not, in itself, be an immediate conflict of interest meaning they would need to recuse themselves from the vote?
Doing some looking around at Kansas Statutes I found some Conflict of Interest statutes, that are also listed on Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission (http://www.kansas.gov/ethics/Local_Level_Conflict_of_Interest/Statutes/index.html) website.
If I understand some of these correctly, it appears for some of this they might be required to file documentation noting substantial interest before being able to vote on actions. Wonder if they're are required to file these for some of this and if they have...
Quote75-4301a. Governmental ethics applicable to local governmental subdivisions; definitions. As used in K.S.A. 75-4302a, 75-4303a, 75-4304, 75-4305 and 75-4306, and amendments thereto:
(a) "Substantial interest" means any of the following:
(4) If an individual or an individual's spouse holds the position of officer, director, associate, partner or proprietor of any business, other than an organization exempt from federal taxation of corporations under section 501(c)(3), (4), (6), (7), ( 8 ), (10) or (19) of chapter 26 of the United States code, the individual has a substantial interest in that business, irrespective of the amount of compensation received by the individual or individual's spouse.
Quote75-4304. Same; making or participating in certain contracts prohibited; exceptions; abstaining from action. (a) No local governmental officer or employee shall, in the capacity of such an officer or employee, make or participate in the making of a contract with any person or business by which the officer or employee is employed or in whose business the officer or employee has a substantial interest.
(b) No person or business shall enter into any contract where any local governmental officer or employee, acting in that capacity, is a signatory to or a participant in the making of the contract and is employed by or has a substantial interest in the person or business.
(c) A local governmental officer or employee does not make or participate in the making of a contract if the officer or employee abstains from any action in regard to the contract.
(d) This section shall not apply to the following:
(1) Contracts let after competitive bidding has been advertised for by published notice; and
(2) contracts for property or services for which the price or rate is fixed by law.
(e) Any local governmental officer or employee who is convicted of violating this section shall forfeit the office or employment.
Quote75-4305. Same; filing of report of interest if statement of substantial interest not filed; abstaining from action. (a) Any local governmental officer or employee who has not filed a disclosure of substantial interests shall, before acting upon any matter which will affect any business in which the officer or employee has a substantial interest, file a written report of the nature of the interest with the county election officer of the county in which is located all or the largest geographical part of the officer's or employee's governmental subdivision.
(b) A local governmental officer or employee does not pass or act upon any matter if the officer or employee abstains from any action in regard to the matter.
Quote75-4306. Penalties for violations; severability. (a) Violation of K.S.A. 75-4304 or 75-4305, and amendments thereto, or failure to make any disclosure of substantial interests required by K.S.A. 75-4302a is a class B misdemeanor.
Edit: Another part of the local conflict of interest laws:
QuoteLocal Level Conflict of Interest
Although the Commission is the enforcement agency for the state level conflict of interest laws and the Campaign Finance Act, the Commission's jurisdiction under the local level conflict laws is advisory only. Pursuant to K.S.A. 75-4303a(b) and Opinion 1994-25, the Commission lacks jurisdiction to hear and determine complaints under K.S.A. 75-4301 et seq. Violations of the local level conflict laws are handled by the appropriate County or District Attorney or the Attorney General's office by criminal complaint.
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?
Makes me wonder if perhaps our County Commissioners realize that perhaps they may have violated the law?
Can we hear frm County Commissioner Hendricks on this one?
You know Everyone knows you are reading this, don't you?
Quote from: Patriot on October 15, 2011, 08:05:31 PM
Makes one wonder, doesn't it?
You're right Patriot.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
How's that analogy Ross?
Quote from: kshillbillys on October 15, 2011, 09:39:59 PM
You're right Patriot.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
How's that analogy Ross?
"You can lead a Horse to water, but you can't make it drink"Meaning:
People, like Horses, will only do what they have a mind to do. Origin:
Proverbs give richness to language and, to some extent, define a culture. '
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink' might be thought to encapsulate the English-speaking people's mindset better than any other saying,
as it appears to be the oldest English proverb that is still in regular use today. It was recorded as early as 1175 in Old English Homilies:
Hwa is thet mei thet hors wettrien the him self nule drinken
[who can give water to the horse that will not drink of its own accord?]
There are other pretenders to the throne of the oldest English proverb; for example:
A friend in need is a friend indeed.
(mid 11th century in English; 5th century BC in Greek)
When the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
(late 9th century in English; Bible, Luke Chapter 6)
Whilst the above were spoken in English earlier than 'lead a horse to water...', they derive from either a Greek or Biblical source and so can't claim to be the 'full English'. Either that or, like the 11th century proverb 'full cup, steady hand', they haven't stood the test of time.
The proverb 'lead a horse to water' has been in continuous use since the 12th century. John Heywood listed it in the influential glossary A Dialogue Conteinyng the Nomber in Effect of all the Prouerbes in the Englishe Tongue:
"A man maie well bring a horse to the water, But he can not make him drinke without he will."
It also appeared in literature over the centuries in a variety of forms; for example, in the play Narcissus, which was published in 1602, of unknown authorship, subtitled as A Twelfe Night merriment, played by youths of the parish at the College of Saint John the Baptist in Oxford:
Your parents have done what they coode,
They can but bringe horse to the water brinke,
But horse may choose whether that horse will drinke.
It wasn't until the 20th century that 'lead a horse to water...' got a substantial rewrite, when Dorothy Parker reworked it from its proverbial form into the epigram 'you can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think'.
Quote from: Patriot on October 14, 2011, 07:53:39 AM
Parents. Elk Konnected claims to engage the citizens, yet most generally spends their energies engaging our youth. Even one of their earliest Kommunity Konversations was centered around the education and future of our children.
Elk Konnected, LLC...
1. Routinely uses a county employee, on county time to do work for their company, using the county employee's official title as justification. (Note, it was EK who petitioned the government to create this position, and the majority vote to create it included two county commissioners who are/were official members of EK).
2. Links with the ECCEF (a private, tax exempt organization created by one of EK's founding and current members) to bypass and avoid qualifying for their own tax exempt status.
3. Routinely uses county resources to produce their advertising materials.
4. Funnels local and state taxpayer money to pay for membership/consulting dues in another private community organizing company. A company that employs one of our elected officials.
5. Causes taxpayers to pay mileage to a county employee for distributing their private advertising and attending their private meetings even when that employee is a member of their private company instead of paying for this themselves, again using the county employee's official position/title as justification.
6. Routinely markets or 'brands' themselves using events provided at the expense of others, with no credit extended to the actual providers.
7. Has used a county emergency service (reverse 911) as a personal event notification service rather than establishing their own service.
8. Has made use of a taxpayer provided official government website to host a page dedicated to themselves to the exclusion of all other groups and organizations in the county.
9. Had to be chastised in public for the actions in 7 & 8 above before ceasing those activities,
10. Routinely makes almost exclusive local use of state directed liquor tax monies for their activities, inferring (if not outright saying) those funds are derived only from Flint Oak, when in fact those funds are also derived from the sale of any alcoholic beverage by the drink at any establishment anywhere in the county.
11. Generally operates on a model of controlled public consensus to create an artificial sense of public support.
12. Approaches outside (albeit justified) criticism with loud cries of negativity and then avoids, for protracted periods, actually confronting their own inadequacies head on. Or either orchestrates or condones attempts by their supporters at public shunning or hostile humiliation of their critics.
13. Preys on the emotions of citizens by saying that their work is a solution to a shrinking population by instilling 'good' memories in our children who will someday return to Elk County. In spite of a total lack of evidence that this will make a difference and, in fact, not even produce measurable results for at least 15 to 25 years. In reality, this will not happen even then if there are no jobs and infrastructure is lacking.
14. When asked, provides conflicting answers about their interaction with government. First they say take no tax money, then say they do. Only one can be true. Their leadership provides information that seems incoherent at best, untruthful at worst.
All this under the careful watch of an official who was elected to help manage our county and who also is a founder and current senior steering member of the private company, Elk Konnected. Whose private community service work coincidentally began with the founding of the ECCEF at about the same time as election to public office. Has the ECCEF ever received taxpayer money from Elk County sources?
Which raises the question...
Do the actions of this private company (and its leadership) that is so prone to business shortcuts, appearances of impropriety, word-smithing, endless victim/martyr cycles, avoidance of criticism and continual self praise possess a value system that sets a good example for the children with whom they so closely align and interact at every opportunity? Do we really want our children learning, by example, that shortcuts, government handouts, personal entitlement, victimhood and rejection of criticism are the best ways to achieve their life dreams and desires?
Citizens, and parents, stay connected. Never expect that which you don't inspect.
Elk Konnected, LLC nor County Commissioner Hendricks have nothing to say?Don't either one want to deny anything?
We know both are represented on the forum and are reading this thread, right?They have both posted to this thread, where are they now?
So it must all be true, huh? How is that good for Elk County's image?Which tends to put an LLC and County Commissioners in an abusive light, do you think that presents a good image?
How can that possibly be good for Elk County's image?Especially a non-responsive County Commissioner, how's that for Elk County's image?
At the last Elk Konnected, LLC Community Conversation didn't David Whetstone representing Elk Konnected, LLC said something about being open and honest dialog? Where is it? The honesty and openess, the dialog, that is?
Goodness! We're blessed with a meeting full of prepared/rehearsed 'answers' to mis-quoted questions, 3 or 4 posts here attempting to 'explain' Elk Konnected's non-answers (oh, and belittle the questioners) and now the crickets take over. Those in the 'know' run away from any criticism and those who blindly defend them become mute.
What? Did something hit too close to home? Or are we seeing the ostrich effect?
Stay connected citizens, get informed voters, cover your wallets taxpayers. Grenola meeting audio may be coming soon.
Aw, heck them followers just had no idea what they were following and maybe it's just to hard to accept the truth.
People often blindly foollow even if they don't understand what they are following.
Perhaps they need more time to absorb all the latest information.
But for our County Commissioner to hide after coming out is just inexcusable and just shows the lack of leadership our poor county has to deal with. And no real answers ? ? ? ? ?
I still think the following applies very well to the Elk Konnected, LLC situation, don't you?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that they don't really want to have a Community Conversation that is an open, honest dialog. It would be nice to have some clarification. Do they or don't they want to communicate?
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why ? "
What does all this silence mean?
I sure hope all those followers are well and happy.
Do you suppose they have learned enough?
Or is it because they were told by someone to shutup?
Perhaps so and they follow orders real well?
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ?? And to follow orders ? ?
Have you thought that maybe they are busy people! I am just saying, people do have things other than to check the forum numerous times throughout the day. I haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on October 18, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
Have you thought that maybe they are busy people! I am just saying, people do have things other than to check the forum numerous times throughout the day. I haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on October 18, 2011, 05:38:43 PMI haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
Well, then start reading the posts of the last few months... heck, even the last few weeks, as there has been a lot of new info. Just because there are no posts yet that say EK is off the hook does not mean there is no new info. Get over it.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on October 18, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
Have you thought that maybe they are busy people! I am just saying, people do have things other than to check the forum numerous times throughout the day. I haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
Quote from: Ross on October 18, 2011, 06:42:28 PM
Ha, ha, ha, ha.
I guess you didn't read the dialog between myself and Commissioner Hendricks, huh?
Well she asked why I wouldn't talk with her face to face and I told her I don't trust her.
She responded that she didn't trust me.
I responded that was okay because, I wasn't the County Commissioner that Elk County citizens should be able to trust.
Now I'm not doing the quotes on this, but you can go back and read it, this is just the jist of what has happened.
I asked her how many other LLC's private companies have asked for money from the County coffers, specifically the Parks and Recreation Fund and she was unable to name even one.
I asked her if a private company (meaning a business like your's) were to ask for funds from the County coffers, specifically the Parks and Recreation Fund if they would recieve the money. She failed to answer. Don't you wonder why? It would be a simple answer of yes or no, but no answer at all. Don't you understand? Her association with the privately owned LLC automatically gets the money because two County Commissioners are associated with the company, is that clear?
Just click on the words to go there.
Here was a piece of humor.
Quote from: Ross on October 07, 2011, 06:02:53 PM
Perhaps if you read these post you might accidently learn something.
County Commissioner Hendricks Post.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
My response.
Quote from: Ross on October 06, 2011, 04:38:34 PM
Patriots response.
Quote from: Patriot on October 14, 2011, 07:53:39 AM
Then try this one to learn even more.
Quote from: mtcookson on October 14, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
When a child does a book report do you give them an A for not reading the book? Not!
I think the following report falls in the same catagory, don't you?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on October 18, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
I haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
Not exactly a good report, huh?But alas, our County Commissioner Hendricks has pulled a Sarah Palin and quit this wonderful Community Conversation that does not rely on an out of county facilitator. What a shame, she barely got started. Is it a lack of stamina? Or is it a problem dealing with the truth?
Live from WALK69, All Request Radio, this one goes out to all of the "Friends" of EK...
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on October 18, 2011, 05:38:43 PM
Have you thought that maybe they are busy people! I am just saying, people do have things other than to check the forum numerous times throughout the day. I haven't checked this part in months and nothing new has changed!!
I just curious. did you read and learn all the new stuff that has recently happened?
This puts it in perspective...Elk County Citizens on bottom and the EK Steering Committee on top!---Robert
So where do we go from here?
We seem to be unable to engage our County Commissioner in an honest open dialog about her organization?
If it was truely a community organization it would be open to the community, instead it is a privately owned and operated LLC or Company isn't it?
Other wise it's books and records and actions would be wide open to public scrutiny wouldn't they County Commissioner Hendricks?
And if it is a privately owned and operated LLC or Company why is it that it thinks it should have access to the County's coffers, to advertise the company's presence in Elk County, when no other privately owned company is allowed an equal right?
It appears to me that things are different for County Commissioner Hendricks concerning tax payer dollars and the monies in the county's coffers and how they are to be used, what do you think?
Don't you think that County Commissioner Hendricks and County Commissioner Liebau should abstain from voting at the Commissioners meetings concerning any requests from Elk Konnected, LLC since they both appear to be totally involved with the privately owned company?
Don''t you think that Elk Konnected, LLC knowing of this conflict of interest would abstain from going to the County Commissioners for any future transactions concerning any donations, monetary or otherwise? Don't you think the Company should have known better in the first place?
Why should a privately owned company be able to have money from the county coffers that is clearly for the use of real communities and community organizations for the benefit of those communities citizens?
It is my opinion that Elk Konnected, LLC is interested in userping the individual communities unique identities, otherwise why do we see Elk Konnected continually trying to upstage the individual Communities?
I'd really like to see some real honest to goodness answers from County Commissioner Hendricks, wouldn't you?
Come on back to an honest open dialog type of Community Conversation.
Elk Konnected, LLC says it wants to engage the citizens of Elk County. Well the citizens of Elk County are here to engage Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner Hendricks in an honest open dialog with out a facilitator. Are Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner Hendricks up to the challenge of such a dialog?
Please Come back Commissioner Hendricks, we are not bashing Elk Konnected, LLC as you suggest we are, we are simply asking questions. Surely you can answer a few questions honestly and have an open and honest dialog as suggested by one of your steering committee members?
Can you stand up to the light of day?
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Ross & Patriot -
I don't understand. We provided a public forum for you to ask these questions and you chose not too. Yet you continue to bash us on this medium. WHY?
County Commissioner Hendricks we provided you with the opportunity 6 months ago and every day since to have a very public forum right here
without a prepared speech,
without a facilitator from Wichita County and to have an open and honest dialog with the citizens of Elk County. Why have you failed to accept our invitation and continue to hide out?
Are the simple questions to difficult to answer? Is this also the way you run our county?
Since when is asking legitamate questions
BASHING? Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 08:33:10 AM
Again if you don't like Elk Konnected – let's hear your plan....
I don't believe anyone has said they don't like Elk Konnected, LLC
that is your words only?
We have simply asked why Elk Konnected, LLC which you founded feels it can abuse El
k County resources by having to Elk County Commissioners that are Konnected voting in favor of their organization?
We have simply asked what plans this privately owned company has and how they plan to implement those plans to improve the
quality of life in Elk County and
you do not appear to have any answers.We have also asked what plans this privately owned company has and how they plan to implement those plans to improve the
economic situation in Elk County and again
you do not appear to have any answers.We understand there appears to be some kind of plan to condition children as they develop to condition them after they grow up and leave the county to return eventually. However, that is a very long term plan of 20 to 40 years to see if it works.
And doesn't help Elk County one little bit today.
And I really just don't understand that kind of thinking. Would you perhaps clear that up for me? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why?
County Commissioner Hendricks why won't you respond to the Elk County citizens?
Amazing
Even the followers can't dispute what has been said, can they? The truth is hard even impossible to dispute.
Even difficult for some to discuss, don't you think?
You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you upside the head.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 22, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you upside the head.
How sweet! An uneducated follower.
Can't say anything decent that makes a bit of sense.
Since you don't know me personally, your statement is unqualified.
Is that typical of Elk Konnected, LLC followers and leaders?
I definitly do know
BS as well.
And you are unable to intelligently dispute anything posted, that's why the
BS.Sorry, try again. And have a great and happy weekend.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 22, 2011, 04:16:55 PM
You wouldn't know the truth if it hit you upside the head.
Truth 1: Commissioner Hendricks, at an open county commission meeting, denied that Elk Konnected used public funds.
Truth 2: At the same meeting, Elk Konnected was afforded access to public funds for two future events it intended to sponsor. Also at the same county commission meeting, Commissioner Hendricks admitted that Elk Konnected had received scholarship grant funds from the Kansas State Department of Commerce (state taxpayer monies) which were diverted and used to pay dues/fees to Mr. Terry Woodbury at Public Square Communities, LLC. At least one such grant in the amount of $3,000 was so used, possibly two.
Truth 3: At Elk Konnected's Grenola meeting, steering committee member J Englebrect clearly and specifically admitted that Elk Konnected had solicited and received public funds tp pay its' membership dues/fees to Public Square Communities, LLC from the following sources: the cities of Longton, Severy and Moline, and the County of Elk. The county monies were said to have come from the Special Parks and Rec fund, and to use these monies for outside dues/fees to Public Square Communities, LLC may be in violation of Kansas Statues Annotated 79-4180a01(4)(d), which says, in part, "M
oneys in the special community support program and parks and recreation fund may be expended only for (1) the establishment and operation of a domestic violence program operated by a not-for-profit organization or (2) the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities."Truth 4: Those dues/fees help fund the operations of a private company from which County Commissioner Elizabeth Hendricks receives compensation as an employee.
Truth 5: According to public statements of the Elk Konnected steering committee, Elk Konnected funnels private donations through the Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF) who manages the monies for EK, thereby evading requirements for EK to properly establish itself as a tax exempt organization under Section 501 (c) of the Internal Revenue Code. Elk Konnected claims to then direct the disbursement of those funds by the ECCEF for EK's use. Some $22000+ according to federal tax returns.
Truth 6: Both Elk Konnected and the Elk County Community Education Foundation share a common founder: Elizabeth M Hendricks.
Truth 6: Prior to Elk Konnected establishing itself an a limited liability company under Kansas law, Elk Konnected (the sole proprietorship) received funds from the ECCEF amounting to about $10,000. At that time, the father of Elk Konnected founder Elizabeth Hendricks was on the board of directors of the ECCEF. It is that board that designates where ECCEF grants and gifts are disbursed.
Truth 7: The foregoing, when described to an attorney at the IRS Division responsible for tax exempt organizations described such activity as at best 'questionable', if not a 'violation' of the tax exempt status of of the tax exempt entity.
Truth 8: According to EK steering committee member and primary contact David Whetstone, Elk Konnected has been attempting to 'brand' itself, largely by holding itself out as the sole sponsor of a number of events that were, in fact, funded by the taxpayers in and visiting Elk County.
Truth 9: Elk Konnected has inferred that county money retained in the county Special Parks and Recreation Fund comes solely from Flint Oak Liquor sales and is not public tax money. Both statements are untrue. The money comes from sales of liquor and beer at ANY drinking establishment in the county (who patronizes those?) and IS a consumer tax according to Kansas law. 79-41a et seq. The current tax rate is 10%.
Truth 10: Elk Konnected steering committee members, supported by Founder Hendricks, admitted at Grenola that they used the services of a county paid employees to write grants of which EK became the beneficiary.
Truth 11: Elk Konnected has exploited, or attempted to exploit, county paid emergency telephone services and internet assets. They ceased such activities only when their founder, Mrs Hendricks, was confronted in public at a county commission meeting. An inability to know impropriety in advance without being held to account? Or simple arrogance?
Truth 12: Elk Konnected has utilized the county paid time of an employee, Jennifer Brummel, to print/copy fliers that advertise Elk Konnected 'sponsored' events.
Truth 13: Those advertisements were printed/copied on county owned equipment and the county was not paid the generally required per page copy fees.
Truth 14: That same employee has been reimbursed mileage charges by the county to deliver those save advertisements.
Truth 15: That same employee has been compensated for mileage (and possibly time) from county funds to pick up and deliver equipment to Elk Konnected 'sponsored' events.
Truth 16: Even Commissioner Ritz has recognized the problems with Elk Konnected's entanglement with government and has publicly called for Ms Brummel to be paid by Elk Konnected rather than by the taxpayers for her services on behalf of Elk Konnected. Mr. Ritz also suggested that Elk Konnected needs to get its' hands out of the taxpayer's coffers.
Truth 17: Elk Konnected steering committee members, at Grenola, admitted that one of EK's grand plans is to "create 'fond memories' for today's youth so they will return to Elk County 'someday' hopefully with their families and business ideas." Seriously? And in what shape will Elk County be in 25 years or so IF those kids return? Based on trends of the last 20 years or so, when (and if) the first 15 or so kids return, it will be bankrupt and have a population of around 1900, the majority of whom will be over 70 years old and/or on welfare. Good plan or wishful thinking?
Truth 18: The foregoing is only a fraction of the improprieties compiled to date about the business operations and methods of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Truth 19: David Whetstone, West Elk USD 282, has officially recommended that the school board engage in 'long range strategy planning' with the help of an outside 'facilitator.' One wonders, who might be available to 'facilitate'?
Truth 20: Much of what Elk Konnected and its' partner Public Square Communities are engaged in is nothing but the failed progressive liberal/socialist leaning agendas of 'community organization' of fraudulent groups like ACORN and the failed economic policies of the current US administration. Hope and Change? No, Dream and Scheme (on the taxpayer's dime).
More Truth: Ross may not know truth in your opinion, but it's apparent that with all the information that has been presented on this thread and elsewhere, Chuck, that you don't know sh*t when you're sitting in it. A true testament to your concept of 'truth' perhaps? Ross' points about blind followers is on the mark.
Stay connected, citizens. Sometimes finding the truth takes time and patience.
But, but, but....Ross?
If you needed money to buy a gun and I had a couple lying around to give, however you are a felon and I would be breaking the law (see abetting a felon).
So I just happen to give it to a friend who gives it to another friend and he leaves it next to a dumpster sans serial number....and you just happened to come upon it.
I only lent you money for whatever reason, Ross as you asked for it.
Does THIS sound familiar? It is called laundring, either by guns or money. If gone through the local channels it is quasi legal, however I don't believe it is ethical.
ready
Hi Ready,
Are you setting me up to go to jail, if so I guess you'll go with me, huh?
That's what I need a wide striped suit for halloween.
Last year I was the devil and looked pretty good, too.
Horns and all, it was great.
I'm not looking at anything so harsh as legal stuff.
I'd just like to see some public apologies to the Elk County Citizens for the abuses and financial payment to the county
as reimbursement for those abuses.
Also, some form of assurance that they will discontinue any further questionable practices.
After all our County Commissioner Hendricks broght with her to the last meeting in Grenola their attorney and don't you suppose that their attorney could advise them to do the right and proper thing?
Are they decent upstanding citizens with the ability to do the right thing?
I can't speak for anyone else but this is what I would like to see happen.
As well as an apology for each
Real Elk County Community for the statement shown below.
Quote from: Ross on June 03, 2011, 01:16:49 PM
Wow! There is a lot of bad attitude in all of this. And as pillars of the community as someone called them Elk Konnected in MHO takes the cake. They openly said because of one little community in this county refusing to use county wide refuse they had to do something.
At the county commissioners meeting Liz Hendricks said they didn't mean to be bashing Elk Falls, and I told her they did just the same. And I believe the remark is still out there for all the world to read. Elk Konnected claims to want to promote pride in the county but lacks the pride to be decent. The only thing I see them promoting is themselves with a slogan like "Watch Us Grow", not something like watch "Watch Elk County Grow" It is self centered. And I believe centered in Howard. And I believe that's why the won't divulge who they are.
As I have said many times all these little communities are exceptional and I enjoy visiting them and their festivities and parades.
These little communities are each unique and that is what makes Elk County special.
IMHO it is
not Elk Konnected, LLC and it's founder County Commissioner Hendricks that make Elk County Special.
It is the general population and the distinct communities.
And each and everyone of them deserves the
respect of honesty. Thank to each of You for reading this, please continue to read this thread and contribute please.
QuoteAre you setting me up to go to jail, if so I guess you'll go with me, huh?
I am ready, if need be....however I don't think that is what is going on...but not far from it.
And as far as our costume: I need the vertical black and white to make me look thinner, please.
It (the topic) is of concern, or should be to the Citizens if what is happening, is.
I have never known a Comissioner to shy away from the truth without divuldging another commissioner's opinion then... (that would be against the law). (open meeting)
I am not seeing one commissioner giving their thought...outside of Ms Hendrick and that to me was lipsink as to appeasal, not truth.
just ready reading
Quote from: Patriot on October 23, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Truth 20: Much of what Elk Konnected and its' partner Public Square Communities are engaged in is nothing but the failed progressive liberal/socialist leaning agendas of 'community organization' of fraudulent groups like ACORN and the failed economic policies of the current US administration. Hope and Change? No, Dream and Scheme (on the taxpayer's dime)
Patriot, your post sure looks good from here. It's worth reading again - several times. Paragraph 20 sums it all up.
Folks ought to turn away from the EK social agenda and anti-Americanism in Elk County.
Yeah, and Flintaqua is deep into liberalism which is pretty much a refection of most Republicans much of the time.
I prefer to call it a lie as liberals ignor the truths to promote their government money schemes and programs.
Quote from: L Hendricks on August 17, 2008, 09:27:01 pm
Quote from: L Hendricks on August 13, 2008, 09:33:10 PM
The original steering committee was Richard Fish, Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Larry Galvan, Liz Hendricks, Dave Whetstone, Vic Donahey, Dave Sanchez, Chris Haag.
And todays steering Committee is Andrea Arbuckle, Nancy Barker, Jennifer Brummel, Julie Englebrecht, Liz Hendricks, Tommie Provence, David Whetstone.
If they were suppose to only be on the steering committee for two years
and rotate off
and even taking into account
the fact that they changed that to three years --- three of them
have far exceeded either rotation by several years.
Why do you suppose that is ?
Or is it a control afctor?
Can't they get anyone else to be on their so called steering committee?
By the way Isn't a steering committee the similar to a board of directors?
A very important and respectable job isn't it?
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Quote from: L Hendricks on August 05, 2008, 09:09:49 PM
okay - as we have seen from the Howard City Council meeting -
how do we get ideas generated from here to real life....
How can we bring the stakeholders together to have a serious conversation and everyone wins...
if we don't start working together
we will have no more volunteers...
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Quote from: L Hendricks on July 22, 2008, 09:09:15 PM
Indygal - another topic that Elk Konnected is trying to address -
a county wide communication center
and it looks like
this forum will be the venue...
So where are you with that County Wide Communication Center?
We are here, where are you?
What a day, it's a beautiful day, however wecould use some rain.
I screwed up today and tried to go to the County Connissioners meeting.
Wrong Monday, oh well it was well worth while.
I stopped in Howard at the Hot ans Spicey with a friend and had a bite to eat.
And by the way no one tried to slap me or anything else something I was warned about on this
thread that could happen. The common people in Elk Couty are nothing like that,
they are for the most part IMHO very good people.
However, I did have an excellent experience. There was a man in the restararut talking about the forum
and when he left the cafe I followed him outside and introduced myself and shook hands with him.
He said, "Oh so you're Ross, I knew I'd meet you some day. He said you should know who I am and I said no I don't.
He said I'm Hefe de vaca and we had a short but very plesant conversation. My hamburger was getting very cold waiting for me. We did agree to disagree.
Even though it was a short conversation to be very truthfull with you I like the man. He said he may return to the forum.
SO
Welcome back to the forum Hefe.
Please be sure to go back 3 or 4 pages and see what you think.
I think that is nice, Ross. I think I know who Hefe de vaca, but I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out who people are. I look at it this was. Either they like what I say or they don't. I really don't care and I don't have to care. LOL It is, however; great to be able to put a face to a moniker. Thanks for sharing.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on October 24, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
I think that is nice, Ross. I think I know who Hefe de vaca, but I gave up a long time ago trying to figure out who people are. I look at it this was. Either they like what I say or they don't. I really don't care and I don't have to care. LOL It is, however; great to be able to put a face to a moniker. Thanks for sharing.
I just happen to like most people I meet in Elk County.
Race, religion, politics none of that is relavent to me, honesty is.
Organizations and County Commissioners that are less then honest give me a pain, I think a person should be able to trust such things and expect hoonest answers from them, don't you?
Quote from: Ross on October 24, 2011, 06:25:58 PM
I just happen to like most people I meet in Elk County.
Race, religion, politics none of that is relavent to me, honesty is.
Organizations and County Commissioners that are less then honest give me a pain, I think a person should be able to trust such things and expect hoonest answers from them, don't you?
Yes, I do. Totally agree with that.
10/24/11 in Howard, I saw 3 or 4 boy scouts painting fire hydrants bright red. I say VERY GOOD BOYS! I know you weren't expecting any credit for the great job you have done and I'm pretty sure you didn't apply for any grant to pay for the paint, nor was the troop leader reimbursed for mileage and gas; Just saying, I appreciate the work that you've put out and thought I would mention this before Elk Konnected tried to put their name on it. You boys know the true meaning of volunteering your time (that means without pay) and knowing gratitude and satisfaction in a job well done.----Robert L. Walker, Jr.
Quote from: L Hendricks on February 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
*Elk Konnected name - reputation carries value
Don't you see The Reputation they are building? Quote from: Patriot on October 23, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Truth 1: Commissioner Hendricks, at an open county commission meeting, denied that Elk Konnected used public funds.
Truth 2: At the same meeting, Elk Konnected was afforded access to public funds for two future events it intended to sponsor. Also at the same county commission meeting, Commissioner Hendricks admitted that Elk Konnected had received scholarship grant funds from the Kansas State Department of Commerce (state taxpayer monies) which were diverted and used to pay dues/fees to Mr. Terry Woodbury at Public Square Communities, LLC. At least one such grant in the amount of $3,000 was so used, possibly two.
Truth 3: At Elk Konnected's Grenola meeting, steering committee member J Englebrect clearly and specifically admitted that Elk Konnected had solicited and received public funds tp pay its' membership dues/fees to Public Square Communities, LLC from the following sources: the cities of Longton, Severy and Moline, and the County of Elk. The county monies were said to have come from the Special Parks and Rec fund, and to use these monies for outside dues/fees to Public Square Communities, LLC may be in violation of Kansas Statues Annotated 79-4180a01(4)(d), which says, in part, "Moneys in the special community support program and parks and recreation fund may be expended only for (1) the establishment and operation of a domestic violence program operated by a not-for-profit organization or (2) the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities."
Truth 4: Those dues/fees help fund the operations of a private company from which County Commissioner Elizabeth Hendricks receives compensation as an employee.
Truth 5: According to public statements of the Elk Konnected steering committee, Elk Konnected funnels private donations through the Elk County Community Education Foundation (ECCEF) who manages the monies for EK, thereby evading requirements for EK to properly establish itself as a tax exempt organization under Section 501 (c) of the Internal Revenue Code. Elk Konnected claims to then direct the disbursement of those funds by the ECCEF for EK's use. Some $22000+ according to federal tax returns.
Truth 6: Both Elk Konnected and the Elk County Community Education Foundation share a common founder: Elizabeth M Hendricks.
Truth 6: Prior to Elk Konnected establishing itself an a limited liability company under Kansas law, Elk Konnected (the sole proprietorship) received funds from the ECCEF amounting to about $10,000. At that time, the father of Elk Konnected founder Elizabeth Hendricks was on the board of directors of the ECCEF. It is that board that designates where ECCEF grants and gifts are disbursed.
Truth 7: The foregoing, when described to an attorney at the IRS Division responsible for tax exempt organizations described such activity as at best 'questionable', if not a 'violation' of the tax exempt status of of the tax exempt entity.
Truth 8: According to EK steering committee member and primary contact David Whetstone, Elk Konnected has been attempting to 'brand' itself, largely by holding itself out as the sole sponsor of a number of events that were, in fact, funded by the taxpayers in and visiting Elk County.
Truth 9: Elk Konnected has inferred that county money retained in the county Special Parks and Recreation Fund comes solely from Flint Oak Liquor sales and is not public tax money. Both statements are untrue. The money comes from sales of liquor and beer at ANY drinking establishment in the county (who patronizes those?) and IS a consumer tax according to Kansas law. 79-41a et seq. The current tax rate is 10%.
Truth 10: Elk Konnected steering committee members, supported by Founder Hendricks, admitted at Grenola that they used the services of a county paid employees to write grants of which EK became the beneficiary.
Truth 11: Elk Konnected has exploited, or attempted to exploit, county paid emergency telephone services and internet assets. They ceased such activities only when their founder, Mrs Hendricks, was confronted in public at a county commission meeting. An inability to know impropriety in advance without being held to account? Or simple arrogance?
Truth 12: Elk Konnected has utilized the county paid time of an employee, Jennifer Brummel, to print/copy fliers that advertise Elk Konnected 'sponsored' events.
Truth 13: Those advertisements were printed/copied on county owned equipment and the county was not paid the generally required per page copy fees.
Truth 14: That same employee has been reimbursed mileage charges by the county to deliver those save advertisements.
Truth 15: That same employee has been compensated for mileage (and possibly time) from county funds to pick up and deliver equipment to Elk Konnected 'sponsored' events.
Truth 16: Even Commissioner Ritz has recognized the problems with Elk Konnected's entanglement with government and has publicly called for Ms Brummel to be paid by Elk Konnected rather than by the taxpayers for her services on behalf of Elk Konnected. Mr. Ritz also suggested that Elk Konnected needs to get its' hands out of the taxpayer's coffers.
Truth 17: Elk Konnected steering committee members, at Grenola, admitted that one of EK's grand plans is to "create 'fond memories' for today's youth so they will return to Elk County 'someday' hopefully with their families and business ideas." Seriously? And in what shape will Elk County be in 25 years or so IF those kids return? Based on trends of the last 20 years or so, when (and if) the first 15 or so kids return, it will be bankrupt and have a population of around 1900, the majority of whom will be over 70 years old and/or on welfare. Good plan or wishful thinking?
Truth 18: The foregoing is only a fraction of the improprieties compiled to date about the business operations and methods of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Truth 19: David Whetstone, West Elk USD 282, has officially recommended that the school board engage in 'long range strategy planning' with the help of an outside 'facilitator.' One wonders, who might be available to 'facilitate'?
Wasn't Elk Konnected, LLC involved in the closing the Severy and Moline elementary schools?
Didn't they use Public Squares Communities, LLC
facilitator at those meetings to acquire the results they wanted? In fact doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC use a
facilitator from Wichita County at each and every one of their so called Community Conversations and Public meetings?
Didn't they say they could not afford to repair the roof on the Moline School which maybe half was still under warranty?
Didn't Elk Konnected, LLC push for the 5.5 million dollar school bond that failed?
So how come with an Elk Konnected, LLC member or two on the school board, they can now afford to spend money hand over fist?
Check out their spending spree and the big pay raises during a time of economic stress
for all the school districts in Kansas and else where.
Quote from: Patriot on October 23, 2011, 10:22:56 AM
Truth 20: Much of what Elk Konnected and its' partner Public Square Communities are engaged in is nothing but the failed progressive liberal/socialist leaning agendas of 'community organization' of fraudulent groups like ACORN and the failed economic policies of the current US administration. Hope and Change? No, Dream and Scheme (on the taxpayer's dime).
More Truth: Ross may not know truth in your opinion, but it's apparent that with all the information that has been presented on this thread and elsewhere, Chuck, that you don't know sh*t when you're sitting in it. A true testament to your concept of 'truth' perhaps? Ross' points about blind followers is on the mark.
Stay connected, citizens. Sometimes finding the truth takes time and patience.
I heard this a lot while I was in the military "It ain't nothin but a string and a thing." Now I'm not sure exactly what that means just like I don't know exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC means. They are on the County Commissioners Board in the majority and they are on the School Board and it appears to be President of the school Board.
Does this mean Plutocracy?
Quote from: L Hendricks on February 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
The steering committee met tonight in Longton tonight and spent most of the 3 hrs discussing Year 2 of our Community Building process. For us, Year 2 means raising another $3000 to continue with Ks Communities LLC
And is this privately owned company, LLC still paying Public Square Communities, LLC with taxpayers dollars?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC other than a privately owned company?
Quote from: L Hendricks on February 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
We discussed some of our "best" from Year One -
* Laura Fry - our new Youth Development Coordinator
*Elk Konnected - Name acknowledgement and positive, inclusive term
*lowering barriers - between people and towns
*more positive culture - invites involvement
*Elk Konnected name - reputation carries value
That lowering barriers isn't working to well is it?
We already discussed that reputation didn't we?
Where is the value in that?
What is positive about having a very few Elk County residences Konnected?
What culture are you trying to develope?
Would that be anything like the hippy culture of the 60's & 70's?
Quote from: L Hendricks on February 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
We also discussed challenges for Year 2 -
*Keeping Konnected - those that aren't involved and the towns we need to work on
*Getting more people involved.
*Making sure to celebrate the victories.
*Encouraging everyone to support each other's events
What victories are you celebrating?
Is the battle over?
The high School plays football and occassionally has a victory over the opposing team, right?
We know who they are fighting when they play football and either the battle ends in a victory or not, right?
Who are you battling?
Quote from: L Hendricks on February 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
If anyone would like to donate any dollar amount, checks may be made out to ECCEF (Elk Co Community & Education Foundation) and given to any of the steering committee members or mailed directly to the Foundation.... Stay with us as we grow!
Give, give, give and they wil take, take, take won't they?
Ross, why do you think EK LLC had anything to do with school closings? Why would they and how could they?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 25, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
Ross, why do you think EK LLC had anything to do with school closings? Why would they and how could they?
General Category / Archives / Re: School Meeting Community action reqired
on: December 01, 2008, 03:36:24 pm
Calling all residents of West Elk School district - please come out tonight and be heard. Everyone will have a chance to speak - the format will be
round table discussion, so you won't have to speak in front of a large crowd. FCCLA will have helpers to watch your kids - so please come out to the West Elk High School at 7pm.
General Category / Archives / Re: Community Conversation on Our Communities and Our Schools
on: November 25, 2008, 11:48:50 pm
Remember everyone needs to come out to this event and be apart of the future. This will not be like any other school public forum. Terry Woodbury, Ks Communities, LLC will moderated and lead it. West Elk FCCLA (used to be Future Homemakers of America) will provide daycare - no excuse you can not make it. Everyone's input is welcomed and needed. The WE school board members have asked to be there as community members als. Please this is important for the future of our school. Dec 1 7-9pm WE commons area - Both posts quoted above were made by Liz Hendricks.
If EK, LLC wasn't involved with the school closings and such, why would there be a need for a
round table meeting with Terry Woodbury moderating and leading it? The WE school board members have asked to be there as community members also? Why would the school board need Public Squares Communities' founder to run a meeting for local Elk County business if EK wasn't up to their eyeballs in it? That meeting was run by EK not the USD 282 School Board, so I will assume that is why Ross would think EK LLC had anything to do with the school closings!----Mrs. KSH
As a side note, at the time of those posts & that meeting, Elk Konnected was not registered as an LLC with the State of Kansas. It would have been, most literally, a sole proprietorship. Now, who would that sole proprietor have been? A sole proprietor who, by the way, appears to have received some $9000+ from the Elk County Community Education Foundation, which was founded by.......
Redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 25, 2011, 01:46:11 PM
Ross, why do you think EK LLC had anything to do with school closings? Why would they and how could they?
Thanks kshillbillys for the post, now I don't have to go back and look it up. Thank you very much.
Diane see it wasn't my imagination. Elk Konnected, LLC is doing a lot of things a lot of people don't know about, don't you see that now?
Sure they have a person from a couple of the communities but that does not give them a majority like they would like us to believe.
And personally I believe they are more of a Howard organization instead of the County orgnization they would like us to believe.
Don't you see the wool being pulled over everyones eyes with the use of lollipops at the expense of all taxpayers?
For instance closing the grade schools meant that Howards children did not have to ride the bus to schools 7 or 16 Miles from Howard. As in, "No not our kids".
Remember the vote on the 5.5 million dollar grade school with a community shelter for Howard? For maybe 100 kids?
The vote in Howard was 75% for and the rest of the County was 75% against, can you figure that one out?
And I believe that Elk Konnected, LLC held their controlled meetings about that as well?
They will be back with this one again, I'd bett on it?
Can't you see where all this is going?
Could all this mean Plutocracy?
And afterall at the last Elk Konnected, LLC meeting one of the Steering Committee Members stated that they were just stupid volunteers and I believe they meant they really don't know what they have got themselves into.
It's all food for thought?
Remember when County Commissioner Hendricks asked why I would not speak to her one on one? I stated truthfully when I replied that I don't trust her. Well, she came back with Ross I don't trust you either? Now what was her point? I have never lied to her and I have never denied the truth when confronted as she has and she has no real knowledge of me except in public County Commissioners Meetings where she denied using taxpayers dollars, and on this forum. Also I am not relied up on to do the right thing for the citizens of Elk County as she is as County Commissioner. So there you have it more diversion from the truth, huh?
Could all this mean Plutocracy?
I just started a new thread
West Elk Audit and Survey here is a quote of the first page.
Click on quote author=Ross link jst below to go to that thread.
Quote from: Ross on October 25, 2011, 08:15:20 PM
It was just reported to me by a reliable source that regularly attends the West Elk Schoool board meetings that there is an audit and public survey happening right now.
The public survey is located at http://westelk.us/we1/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=55
on the right hand side of the page.
The reason for posting this is because I was told that Mr. Reese our school superintendent and our paid employee, paid by our property taxes said something to the effect that he did not want the general public to know about this survey, only select people, such as parents of students, teachers and faculty, I would sure like to know why, wouldn't you?
Is it for control?
Is it Elk Konnected, LLC at work?
Isn't the School Board President also on the Steering Committee of the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC?
Isn't there other board members also on the Steering Committee of the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC?
Does our hired employee the school Superintendent Mr. Reese have an affiliation with the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC?
When can we start trusting our elected officials and hired help?
Feed back, answers appreciated.
Where is Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner Hendricks?
Don't you want to get Connected and have a meaningful, honest dialog as Steering Committee David Whetstone
discussed at the last meeting you had in Grenola?
You have been here, so, where are you?
Are you going to fail at getting connected like you failed at running your community wellness and enrichment network?
Let's get connected?
Haven't you noticed this thread has been Read 43487 times.
County Commissioner Hendricks has anything Elk Konnected, LLC
done been that successful in getting people connected?
These are some very good stat's, don't you think?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC really want to get Connected with the Real Elk County Community or
IMHO just with their imaginary Konnected Community?
What better way for you to connect then right here?
County Commissioner you visited here on one occassion and that really rolled the numbers up, do you understand the value in that?
Come on back Commissioner, please and talk with the people you work for.
Or is it that you can't stand the heat?
Good heavens people!
First we have Saul Alinsky style ad hominem attacks of folks on this forum who question Elk Konnected. Some attacks by people with no local skin in this game at all.
Next we get a totally useless article in the paper a couple of months back that claims to tell folks 'Who Owns Elk Konnected". But didn't. Side note... what a waste of good ink, Rudy.
Then there comes a Kommunity Konversation in Grenola attended by about 38 people (1/3 interested residents, 2/3 Elk Konnected members & backers, and 3/4 of the county Sheriff's department on the taxpayer nickle and some local kids) where the prepared answers were often incomplete & nervously read, sometimes inaccurate, often incoherent, even demonstrated as inaccurate and leaves much unanswered (or 'in the parking lot as they called it). Generally about as satisfying as a stale, dry cookie without milk.
Next were 3 or 4 posts here by County Commissioner/Public Square Paid Facilitator/Elk Konnected Guru Liz Hendricks that clarified nothing.
Now we get a regurgitation of some of the prepared Grenola statements in the Rudy run paper. Standing behind the safety of of the newspaper issuing top down dictates of the same half truths and selective answers that are hallmarks of the Elk Konnected & Public Square Communities community organization methods. Talk about hiding.
Honest dialogue is NOT a one way, top down conversation or even 'round table' Post-It note ballots. Stop with the liberal hide and seek games of public manipulation, Elk Konnected. Your haphazard attempts to 'organize' our community are clearly nothing more than failed attempts to implement change that is to your elitist liking with the use of using emotionally charged pleas, highly controlled 'debate', one-way branding through media all with other peoples money.
Let the American system work... stop hiding behind press releases, self praising magazine articles and 'facilitated' meetings stacked with your supporters (organizers)... get out here in the open and debate the facts. After 5 years of 'fixing' Elk County, you apparently have little to show for your efforts (and our money). Now the court of public opinion is in session... And you're missing.
Stay connected, citizens, this is your community, your children's future, your local governments, and your money we're talking about.
Side note... Rudy Taylor, you missed covering the Kansas Attorney General's revealing discussions of crime in our county & state, potential increased property taxation by school boards and other important issues at the Howard Library last week.
That was definitely some newspaper article, this week wasn't it? You will need the newspaper article to follow my questions, because Elk Konnected won't communicate and Konnect or engage with the citizens of Elk County on this forum, do you reckon they are afraid of the true community of concerned citizens?
Do you really believe all that stuff they want you to believe?
If you do, perhaps you should re-read it again?
Paragraph Number One
Elk Konnected says they became an LLC/Corporation to protect it's members from the citizens of Elk County for liability. That's cool. Who protects the Citizens? Who protects the children form Elk Konnected, LLC?
What the heck is the difference between managing members and a board of governors?
What do they mean if there was a profit? How do we know that there wasn't a profit and that you don't pay yourself directly or indirectly? Where are the records?
Wait a minute doesn't Public Square Communities Pay our County Commissioner Hendricks or is she working for them for free as a volunteer? Didn't taxpayers monies from the County Coffers go to pay Public Squares Communities? Don't you think perhaps some of that goes towards County Commissioners wages as their employee?
Paragraph Number Two (a)
Who are the members of the steering committee?
Personally I believe they have changed the period of time on the steering committee from two years to there years, because I seem to remember reading that 2 years was the limit. So after it was brought to light that at least two of them had already exceeded that limit by several years they change it, IMHO. Note those that have exceeded even three year limit remain on. But hey a privately owned LLC/Corporation has every right to do that, right? But IMHO it is wrong if they say the Elk County citizens are members and won't discuss it with us, don't you?
Who really cares who the Steering Committee members are, the fact is they are called MEMBERS.
Weren't we told earlier there were no members? That's what matters. At the so called Community Conversation one of the Steering Committee openly stated that they were just stupid volunteers. I took that to mean they could not answer questions without prepared speeches for them to read, what do you think?
Any remarks made outside of reading the statements provided to the volunteers were mainly answered by the Founder//County Commissioner Hendricks. If I remember right she even corrected David Whetstone a couple of times. That to me shows only one person is Elk Konnected our County Commissioner Hendricks, what do you think?
Paragraph Number Two (b)
How are records of meetings kept.
Notes given to each member. If it is owned by the Community way isn't the community provided the same information? Oh, wait a minute everything is done secretly right. Just like the list on page one of this thread? Nobody know who suggested what on that list, nobody right, no names were given, taken or written down? So where are the records for the Elk County Community? Or are you talking about an imaginary Elk Konnected Community? Please be precise?
Paragraph Number Two (c)
Who does the steering Committee report to?
They say they receive no Specific Instructions from Public Squares Communities, LLC ?
Huh? Doesn't Public Squares Communities, LLC tell you that you have to receive funds from the County Government, and School Board and Business and City Governments and other entities? Yes, I think they do, I read it on their web site, didn't I?
And doesn't Public Squares Community, LLC's professional facilitator control everything at the so Called Community Conversations. Don't they even call the sheriff if something is asked of Elk Konnected, LLC and run that person off instead of having an honest open dialog/conversation? Isn't that a negative attitude on the part of Elk Konnected, LLC? And you talk about the Elk County Citizens have a negative attitude, don't you?
You know two negatives do not a positive make. Yes, it was me that politely asked to speak publicly with your professional facilitator and he politely said outside then he politely raised hies microphone to his mouth and politely said where is the sheriff. So I politely left. The sheriff saw no problem and never arrested me. See where this is going? Elk Konnected and Public Square Community, LLC's professional facilitator in total control of the so Called Community Conversation in little circles so a person on the other side of the room has no idea what is going on, and you can't ask questions, just do what you are told to do, right?
Paragraph Two (d)
Is Elk Konnected, LLC owned
Elk Konnected, LLC says "From a visioning stand point , it is owned by the community to the extent that the community participates.
What does that mean? I feel I am participating in Elk Konnected, LLC By asking them to return to this thread and engaging the actual Elk County citizens in an open, honest dialog.
I also have a
vision that Elk Konnected, LLC will eventually oblige that request? How's that for a vision?
Now, I believe that is really trying to get Konnected, don't you think?
Paragraph Three (a)
Does Elk Konnected, LLC receive funds from the County Government
(Our tax dollars.)Elk Konnected, LLC now says Elk Konnected, LLC has asked for donations to help pay fees to Public
Squares Communities, LLC (which is mandated by Public Squares Communities, LLC isn't it?). Wait a minute Elk Konnected, LLC said earlier that Public Square Community, LLC's doesn't tell them what to do, right?
Their statement about the Park and Recreation doesn't mention making money available to Privately owned LLC's or Corporations now does it?
It also doesn't make reference to two Elk Konnected County Commissioners voting to give their LLC money from the County Coffers, does it?
They keep refereeing to the tax money as funds only to confuse matters don't they?
If it is in the Elk County Coffers it is from taxes and it doesn't matter where it comes from, now does it?
Paragraph 3(b)
How is money spent?
They remind us, "(again a tax on the sale of alcohol at Flint Oak}" Why do they do that? Trying to confuse the issue? It is taxpayers money collected inside Elk County and is placed in the County Coffers. Strictly tax payers dollars and nothing more or less. Why, cause I believe it is illegal for any County Government to earn money, the counties can only tax.
Paragraph Four A
Paid County Employee as Economic Development an Youth Activities Director.
Does she work for the County or for Elk Konnected, LLC? Does she spend her County work hours working for Elk Konnected, LLC?
I did not know that our County Government needed to partner with any privately owned LLC or Corporation?
How many other LLC's or Corporations has our county partnered with and why?
Elk Konnected, LLC
Says they don't care who gets credit for as long as their activities are pursued, how nice of them?
But if you look at the paper it is the Elk Konnected Softball Tournament but I am assuming there is no County Tax Payers Money involved because to enter it cost you the participant $150. The reason I mention the article is because I approve pay your own way as Elk Konnected, LLC. I am anxious to see how that works out for Elk konnected, LLC,. Perhaps they can find a way to be self sufficient, like I am, I earn my money.
Paragraph Five A
Why did EK leave the Elk County Forum?
Negativity was the excuse and the negative talk between neighbors, give me a break. What is on the forum are concerned citizens and Elk Konnected, LLC and people that are only reading the forum to learn more, and hoping for honest answers, I believe. Heck, I and Hefe de vaca have had words on here, yet when I met him in Howard just a few days ago, I instantly took a liking to him and we tend to disagree on Elk Knnected. And guess what Hefe didn't deck me. LOL
But how much more negative can you get then using a negative answer to the question?
What a negative attitude for Elk Konnected, LLC huh?
However, the truth and I quote County Commissioner Hendricks who was on here just on October 6th , 2011
Read the whole think if you like by clicking on the first line of the quote. And other Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee Members have been on here.
Quote from: L Hendricks on October 06, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
1) One of the reasons I have not read or posted on the forum personally is because of the amount of time and energy it takes to read the post and then post honest facts. Plus it seems that facts keep getting repeated, but they aren't the answers people are wanting.
She is perfectly right sometimes it is difficult to, "post honest facts".
And the answers that are repeated are definitely not the answers to the questions posted, therefore not acceptable. But ask yourself what is the real reason for no wanting to be Konnected on the forum?
Is it they don't like feed back except in privacy? Is it that they don't want to answer questions that show their negative side? Is it because they don't appreciate constructive criticism? Why? What is the real truth?
Paragraph Six A
Why did Ek use The County's web site
Elk Konnected, LLC didn't even ask permission, I am sure if they had, they would have been told they could have a link like everyone else, right? Not complete control of the web site.
But hey it was County Commissioner Liebeau's aunt that went before the County Commissioners and confronted her nephew. Kudo's to her? We need an honest person like her on the Commissioners panel don't you think?.
Paragraph Six B
Why did EK use The County's reverse 911
Elk Konnected brought us this system. Really, thought it was County Commissioners and Taxpayers dollars. But it is a County resource that cost us all money on our taxes.
Did It ever did belong to Elk Konnected, LLC to use as they see fit?
What part or reverse 911 do they not understand?
911 Means emergency not games.
It is for emergencies only as determined by County Government not by Elk Konnected, LLC, right?
But you know it's kinda nice of them to offer up a sorta back handed acceptance of responsibility of wrong doing, what do you think?
So Elk Konnected, LLC come on and get Konnected won't you?
Stop hiding behind one way communications by using you affiliate the newspaper.
Stop with the excuses, those are just negative on your part in my opinion?
Come one come all Elk konnected, LLC Have an honest and open and meaningful dialog while getting Konnected.We are not going away.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
How about some methodical review....
Since Elk Konnected operated as an unregistered entity (not a legal partnership, association, corporation, LLC, etc) in Kansas during the years 2007, 2008 and part of 2009, it was, by default, a sole proprietorship. Who was that sole proprietor?
How much money has EK received 2007 to date from taxpayer (government) sources (i.e. Kansas Commerce Department, Elk County, various city governments)?
How much money has EK paid to Public Square Communities, LLC (and its predecessor Kansas Communities, LLC) from 2007 to date?
How much of those monies paid to Public Square Communities came from taxpayer funds? Detailed figures, please.
OK, let's try this....
What are the detailed expenditures made by EK from 2007 that directly relate to economic development and youth activities inside Elk County and what are the expected long term outcomes of those expenditures?
Come on, Elk Konnected, you really DO care about Elk County, right?
Quote from: Patriot on October 25, 2011, 05:11:36 PM
As a side note, at the time of those posts & that meeting, Elk Konnected was not registered as an LLC with the State of Kansas. It would have been, most literally, a sole proprietorship. Now, who would that sole proprietor have been? A sole proprietor who, by the way, appears to have received some $9000+ from the Elk County Community Education Foundation, which was founded by.......
Redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top?
so you're cool with republicans doing this at the national level but when it filters down to your backyard you want something done. Good luck
Quote from: Anmar on November 01, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
so you're cool with republicans doing this at the national level but when it filters down to your backyard you want something done. Good luck
I haven't a clue what you are rambling about. Then again, you probably haven't a clue as to what I'm talking about. Perhaps you should try to antagonize me in another area.
Quote from: Anmar on November 01, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
so you're cool with republicans doing this at the national level but when it filters down to your backyard you want something done. Good luck
Perhaps you desire
PLUTOCRACY?If you are actually talking about, "Redistribution of wealth from the bottom to the top?" Is it right in your opinion?
Is it what you want for our
home county?OR, Perhaps whatever you are talking about has been going on at the national level, look what
this has got us.
Our country at risk becoming a third world country.
Possibly a serious depression soon.
But, as of right now a serious financial crisis dependent on other countries.
Millions of people unemployed.
Millions of people homeless.
College kids with big educational loans and debts they can't pay for because there are no jobs for them. Where are all those scholarships that makes college free?It has happened all because of that
different thingy IMHO. Is all that good for our country? WOULD IT BE GOOD FOR OUR COUNTY
If problems are headed off at the local level,
perhaps then local politicians don't have to worry about
getting caught with their hand in the proverbial cookie jar.
And then they could apply pressure on those above them that do,
and then get them to do the right things.
Yea, let's clean it up. Self help starts at home.
And Elk County is home.So, yea. I'm all for that aren't you? Not in my back yard.
NIMBY I am not cool with republicans doing
this,
whatever this is.Nor, do I approve of anybody else doing
this,
whatever this is.No I am not impressed, nor do I approve.
Yes,
NIMBY here at home in Elk County sounds real good to me,
far better
than, that
different thingy.
Thought this was interesting, these folks use the delphi principle.
http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/401092/october-31-2011/colbert-super-pac---occupy-wall-street-co-optportunity---stephen-on-location?redirect=true
Quote from: Anmar on November 01, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
so you're cool with republicans doing this at the national level but when it filters down to your backyard you want something done. Good luck
I'm getting a little tired of this. You are an idiot. (correction: or a perpetual liar)
The Republicans have been doing the same damn thing the left has, taxing the rich and redistributing to the poor. They just like to do it using "lower" taxes. That's why we need a
conservative in there. A conservative President with a conservative super majority Congress to ram the Constitution down the lefts' throats will be the only way to fix this country.
Quote from: Anmar on November 01, 2011, 11:15:09 PM
...when it filters down to your backyard you want something done. Good luck
We would do well to remember that the national foolishness we re seeing did NOT start at the top... the fools who would be kings started their trek at home. Places like Howard, Kansas and Elk County. They were mayors, city and county commission members, state senators and governors. Those policies that are choking the free republic were fomented at the local level. The would be saviors of civilization who now institute policies that stifle our economy and kill the free market were first found in the likes of the do gooders like Elk Konnected folks who seek to impose their vision of the Perfect town illustrated in the Walgreen commercials. People who try to 'organize' communities into a mold that fits their Godless idea of what a community should look like.
They feather their resumes with their organizing activities (round table discussions, community activities, slippery slides, 'community standards', etc.) never mentioning the dismal long term outcomes. They then use those resumes to propel themselves into positions of ever increasing power & prestige. Ultimately, some of them find themselves in positions that allow them to regulate society in ways that fit their own picture of Perfect... guns kill people so ban the guns, salt is bad so limit the salt, we can save the earth if only... and what we end up with is a society pushed about by the ever changing whims of an elite few.
No, the mess didn't filter down to our back yard, it is in fact rooted in our back yard.
Stop it at the root. Stop it at home.
The head of the snake isn't in Washington, it's in our own back yard. As is the nest of young that strive to someday be big vipers themselves.
Amen Patriot.
And in my opinion these people who protray themselves as upstanding citizens are not so upstanding.
Why do I say this? Because they THINK they are smarter then the rest of us, I'm sorry they are wrong.
We all think alike, we ask ourselves the basic following questions to deal with any situation:
Who, what, where, when, why and how? Everyone in Elk County should be able to figure out what is going on, if they give it a little thought?
And if they are so upstanding and knowledgable why are they afraid to have an open and honest discussion, right here and right now? In my personal opinion they lack those qualities and hide behind words like, to negative. When they are being very negative in their actions and attitudes, don't ya think?
We can't even rely on our local newspaper to print an unbiased investigative article about this topic as they have admitted affiliation with the situation. Again in my opinion because I don't see it happening, the paper apparently lacks the talent of a good investigative reporter as well, how about it Mr Editor? Ya got one of them people on your staff?
I find it very cowardly to hide behind one way communication, don't the rest of you folks out there find that to be true? Why do they cower because perhaps because what they are doing is apparently wrong, think about that won't you?
They have their foot in the crack in the door, but I don't expect them to get through the door, if the county wakes up. Will Elk County wake up? I think so, I have faith in human nature not to be lead with a ring through their nose like a bull.
Have you seen this weeks paper?
Elk Konnected is at it again, holding a one way conversation by taking up over a quarter of a page on the back page of the paper.
The County Commissioners don't see anything unethical in voting to give their privately owned LLC Elk Konnected, County Taxpayers Money. I find that Amazing, just Amazing. Still two out of three of the Commissioners are Elk Konnected, LLC members according as to what Elk Konnected calls a member as posted in this thread.
Oh, they say they want an open and honest dialog and they want to have that with everyone in the County.
Really?
Well where are they?
What is there problem?
They can't appreciate being asked to back up what they say in a written two way conversation?
Why hide behind a newspaper advertisement?
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Go Figure??
Quote from: Ross on November 03, 2011, 07:12:27 PM
Have you seen this weeks paper?
Nope, we quit buying it!
Quote from mtcookson:
That's why we need a conservative in there.
Right you are mt---that's why we need Newt. :)
You've got that right. Ron.
NEWT 2012
I will start a new thread," Newt in 2012."
I don't know about y'all, but based on who wins the 2012 election will determine if i continue to care and vote. IF these fools put obama back in office i'll shake the dust off my feet.
Reading the advertisement on the back page of the local papeer dated November 2, 2011 continued.
(Just realized I spelled paper with an extra e, a typo. But I think that probably fits, what do you think?
The editor has said he is Konnected, so couldn't that equate to a peer?)
Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company says, "Elk Konnected via ECCEF recieved $1195.92 from Parks and Rec for soccer and balls.
Now I believe Elk Konnected, LLC has stated they had partnered with the Elk County Community and Education Fund. So, how does ECCEF ask the County Commissioners for Parks and Rec fund when they
do not provide the County with any benefits from the money they get from the county.
It's apparent that someone from ECCEF must ask the County Commissioners for the money> So do they do it truefully by stating they are asking for money to give to Elk konnected, LLC a privately owned company which would be the honest thing to do. Dont you think?
So there again two County Commissioners that are Elk Konnected would still be voting on giving their organization Elk Konnected, LLC County taxpayers dollars. You don't have to be a member sitting on tteh steering committe or any other committe to be considered a member. Tey said you can be a member ti what ever degree you want to be. And Liz stated the Mr. Liebau was amember of a committee but now remains a strong supporter, that would seem to qualify as a member by her previous statements, wouldn't it. A cheerleader member is what I'd call it. Did the County Commissioners think up a way of getting around voting for their own cause, Elk Konnected, LLC? I don't think so.
And yes, folks it's your money and my money because it is in the County Coffers. And as taxpayers dollars we each and everyone that pays property taxes own that money and have a say in how it is spent. Just because Elk Konnected may say it is a different thingy does not make it so.
I've got other things to do for now, but
I'll be back with more thoughts and personal opinion on the newspaper advertisement.
Reading the advertisement on the back page of the local papeer dated November 2, 2011 continued.
They said, "We want to have open, honest dialog whch creates a better Elk Konnectland ."
Wait a minute, wait a minute what a happened to Elk Konnected Community?
And what is Elk Konnectland?
I have never heard of Elk Konnectland, Is that like Michael Jackson's Never Land?
But let's back up to the original statement and ask where Elk Konnected, LLC is for the open, honest dialog?
Was that statement a lie?
If not where are they?
I read the statement right there on the back page of the newspaper.
Elk Konnected, LLC is your word of any value?
Or are you going to stick to your negative attitude of having an open, honest dialog with us on this media of your choice?
I'll be back with more thoughts, questions and personal opinion on the newspaper advertisement.
Feedback is welcome.
Reading the Elk Konnected, LLC advertisement on the back page of the local paper dated November 2, 2011 continued.
Thank you for taking the time to read my thoughts and opinions and questions about the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC who has projected itself politically on to our County. I know they don't appreciate this thread, even though they have said many times they would use this Elk County Forum to Communicate with the Citizens of Elk County, they refuse to stand by their own words. Especially about an open, honest dialog. Otherwise where is it?
Elk Konnected, LLC says, "Not sure where the $80,000 came from."
(What doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC know what it's doing?)
That quote is word for word right out of their advertisement on the back page of the newspaper.
So, let's look at the numbers they provided in the very same advertisement.
Or do they think Elk County residents, taxpayers and concerned citizens are to lazy or to stupid to do so.
Please help me out and if I have made any errors with these numbers, yes please let me know.
In the advertisement the privately owned company shows recieving $45,705 from Elk County Community and Education Fund, Well, I think that's just dandy lor them. Terrific in fact. But they don't say how they are using a single cent on improving the quality of life in Elk County now do they? But the privately owned company with no leadership is really pulling in the dough for not having anything to sell or services to provide to earn the money. Boy wouldn't that be a great gig for everyone in Elk County, just hold your hand out and there you go tax deductable dollars in you hand?
They then tell us they raised another $4,250 plus another $6,670, and another $3000 followed by anther $3,150 another $19,900 for their Wellness Center and another $1,650 and finally they list $1195.92.
Now let's add up the numbers:
$45,705.00
4,250.00
6,670.00
3,000.00
3,150.00
19,900.00
1,650.00
1,195.92
_________
$85,520.92
So it appears to me the $80,000 number was wrong.
What has Elk Konnected, LLC actually accomplished?
They handed out a few of what I call LOLLIPOPS to appease in my opinion.
They started a Wellness Center and failed miserably in operating it.
Then there was the unauthorized use of County resources( to be politically correct) wasn't there?
Oh, isn't that also refered as theft?
A business that can't run a business, but wants to help start up business with information to help with their business, thats amazing? It was stated in this thread on an earlier page that people are to stupid to know what they are doning in business. How ironic is that. And they want to intefere in the business of communities in Elk County. Just thoughts.
Did, I read that right Elk Konnected, LLC paid Public Squares Communities, LLC $10,750.00 WOW!
And our County Commissioner Hendricks founder of Elk Konnected works for Public Squares Communities, LLC.
I believe County Commissioner Hendricks when she says she does not benefit directly to any money,
but hey, what about indirectly in the sense of a pay check from Public Squares Communities, LLC ?
Isn't it possible that some of that $10,750.00 makes it to your paycheck?
And doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC have to pay Public Squares Communities, LLC a yearly dues?
And isn't that money suppose to be recieved by the four public squares including the School Boards (taxpayers dollars), The City Governments (taxpayers dollars) and County Government (taxpayers dollars) ?
Didn't you and your Elk Konnected, LLC hire your employeer? Please come and let me know I am wrong.
Elk Konnected, LLC provided the numbers in the newspaper advertisement and I sure hope, I didn't miss any or add any by accident, but that advertisement was the worst I have ever read. Everything is so jumbled what kind of an attempt at journalistic advertisement is that? Oh, and I hope my math is correct, any school teachers out there want to check my math paper?
Would anyone please double check my work and let me know if there are any errors, please?
Yes, Elk Konnected, LLC even call themselves a private company finally, but still don't own up to ownership or leadership, why?
Let's discuss that one later, okay.
I'm not asking about the so called Steering Committee we know who they are and even the fact one of them refereed to themselves as stupid volunteers at the meeting refereed to in the Elk Konnected, LLC Advertisement.
Elk Konnected, LLC I would appreciate a rebuttal to tell me I am wrong, supported with truthful provable facts. Would you please enter into this open, honest dialog with some positive input.
I wonder if you paid for a ad listing these findings in the local paper if you would be allowed to do such a thing.
Quote from: srkruzich on November 05, 2011, 10:28:10 AM
I wonder if you paid for a ad listing these findings in the local paper if you would be allowed to do such a thing.
It would have to be in a paper other than our local paper. Because our Editor has informed us he is Konnected.
Oh, heck! One more for today.
Is this a Word Twister or Twisted Words game?
Anything you might want to call it. it doesn't matter.
In my opinion it is very deceptive.
The question they were supposedly asked, "Elk Konnected would you still have qualified for that grant as a private company?LLC?
(Now how naieve or stupid does Elk Konnected, LLC really think Elk County citizens are?)
Their answer, "Yes - we would still utilize ECCEF to qualify for grants. It is not uncommon for organizations to utilize their foundations in this way.
Wasn't the question ---- Would Elk Konnected, LLC still have qualified for that grant as a private company?
The question was not if ECCEF qualified for a grant now was it?
Isn't the truthfull answer, that Elk Konnected, LLC itself would not qualify for a grant?
You could then follow the truth up with -- we use ECCEF if you want.
Now wouldn't that be closer to being truthful and honest?
Oh and that statement, "It is not uncommon for organizations to utilize their foundations in this way.", I am trying to find some sort of documentation for this statement.
I just can't bring myself to trust a statement like that without documentation or proof.
This statement just sounds unethical to me.
If I find out otherwise I will post any documentation supporting the statement but perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC would provide the documentation supporting the statement.
Of course if Elk Konnected, LLC truely wants an open and honest dialog here is your chance. Do you want to see me eat crow, show some substantial proof to that statement that can be verified and I will EAT CROW.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
How's that $150.00 a team baseball tournament coming along?
The same way as the Wellness center?
Talk to us Elk Konnected?
What is that Elk Konnectedland thingy?
What's happening with that Elk Konnected Baseball Tournamnet how's that shaping up?
Was this a product of Elk Konnected's many visionary's?
Is everyone signing up for $150 per team tournament? I'd like to hear more about it.
Was that thought up to raise the living standards or raise the quality of life or whatever all their visionary's think up next for Elk County?
We use to have that Elk Konnected Wellness Center but that failed, didn't we?
So, I hope everyone is rushing out there with their $150 to make this baseball thingy work for Elk Konnected!
We need a better Elk County don't we?
Well, anyway, perhaps we can rely on that that Elk Konnected thingy for the salvation of our county.
And we got that Elk Konnected Community, and more recently Elk Konnectedland, to fall back on don't we?
Or is it all fantasy?
Perhaps Elk Konnected and their associate ECCEF can tell us what is happening?
If not then we must assume it is all fantasy, right?
After all Elk Konnected said they wanted open and honest dialog but fail at that too.
And where is the transparency?
For real fantasy, I'd like to suggest Elk Konnected take their facebook page to Cityville and they can make themselves mayor and it's their very own town and their very own rules. Here is the link to help them get started.
https://www.facebook.com/dialog/permissions.request?app_id=291549705119&display=page&next=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.facebook.com%2Fcityville%2F%3Ffb_source%3Dgamesdash_toplists%26installed%3D1&response_type=code&state=be04defad1f385af3e3268bc12368a56&canvas=1&perms=email%2Cpublish_stream
Quote from: Ross on November 05, 2011, 12:45:27 PM
Their answer, "Yes - we would still utilize ECCEF to qualify for grants. It is not uncommon for organizations to utilize their foundations in this way.
IF we were to do this, the IRS would call it deceptive business practice and tax evasion
Quote from: srkruzich on November 12, 2011, 04:51:29 PM
IF we were to do this, the IRS would call it deceptive business practice and tax evasion
Not too far off from what an attorney in the IRS division responsible for tax free organization tax compliance told me last month.
Why aren't all those visionary's working their magic to improve the quality of life in Elk Coounty?
Are they to busy shuffling money around?
I would like to see a better quality of life or a definition there of.
What does that mean to the few people of Elk Konnected?
Elk Konnected, Cournty Commissioner Hendricks
I hear you have signed up one team for your money raising baseball tournament, that's nice.
Are there more teams?
Who are they going to play for the two promised games?
I'm anxious to see the tournament.
When is the tournamnet?
When are the visionary's going to release the details?
County Commissioner Hendricks you know I have tried to have conversations with you as Elk Konnected LLC, and to have a decent dialog on this forum about your operation and what it means to Elk County. However County Commissioner Hendricks in my opinion you have failed to reciprocate in an open and honest dialog which you have said you wanted. You stated in the local newspaper that is what you wanted. You have also stated in the past that this was your choice method of communication with the citizens and population of Elk County.
Due to your failure to communicate on this forum in an open and honest dialog, it leaves me to consider that there is a rather negative attitude towards the citizens and population of Elk County. How does that provide a better quality of life in Elk County?
This negative attitude forces me to feel that your organization is purely politically motivated and operating out of misinformation and disinformation to the citizens and population of Elk County. Otherwise, why would there be two elected county commissioners as you call it "Konnected" and two possibly more elected school board members and a police officer in one of the real communities and possibly more elected officials that we may not know about?
You fabricated what you call Elk Konnected Community, Elk Konnected Land and Elk Konnected Community Conversations. All this brings to mind that Communities have a governing body be it an actual community such as one of our small towns or a fictitious community. Yet, you claim not to have a governing body but are collecting monies from our actual community governing bodies in my opinion. I would like to know why, if not for any other reason then politically control of our governing bodies? Could you please clear this up for me?
Are you or are you not a fictitious community in your personal view point?
If not a fictitious community what is your governing body of your community?
What are your communities goals and how do you plan to accomplish those goals?
Please real honest and open dialog is requested here.
Please no E&O = ERRORS AND OMISSIONS
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Hey County Commissioner Hendricks is your Elk Konnected, LLC fizzling or fading away?
What's going on?
Did the baseball tournament become yet another failure of Elk Konnected,LLC?
What's happening?
Aren't all those vissionary's working.
We need their wizardry now. Can't you motivate them?
Where is that better quality of life you have promised and bragged about for Elk County.
Please we need some answers.
I keep reading about the near future of a modern depression and it's supposedly approaching quickly.
Don't you need to move just as quickly?
Answers please.
Good one.
County Commissioner Hendricks and Elk Konnected, LLC where are you? I didn't read anything in the paper this week about you baseball tournament. In fact I didn't read anything about Elk Konnected, LLC this week.
I'm sure Elk County citizens and taxpayers would like to hear your input on the recent event, the Economic Summit with the Official Host Governor Brownback. Did you get an upfront seat?
What with Elk Konnected, LLC's Accredation, I would think you would have been seated at the head of the table. Therefore, I think you should have a wealth of information to share with the County citizens and taxpayers. Will you share with us, please?
Won't you talk with us?
Did you read this weeks paper "Area Leaders Gather to Assess Future of SE Kansas".
They talked about unification of the different county's economic growth, right?
That Sounds like another step towards combining counties to me, how about you?
The state does have a group studying combining counties don't they?
Do you reckon our countys new seat might end up being in Sedan?
Perhaps, if they consolidate the counties our property taxes may go down, along with road maintenance and other services.
But then Gov. Brownback talks about Brain Drain. Kids growing up in SEK and moving away. Not good for the area they grew up in. Wait a minute the Governor himself did that didn't he? Didn't he move away from Parker, Linn County, Kansas Population 200, where he grew up? Dog gone ain't that something?
And they talked about welfare, it was a government design and they trapped people into the program. The states collected money from the Feds and that improves their Economics, right? People that didn't want to work got money in their hands and that got spent right back into the local economy, right?
But now the money is going to go away because of Federal Cuts and now we blame the welfare reciepients. Wow.
Just something to think about. Really whose fault is it?
The State is considering doing away with Income tax, but that will have to be replaced by something, right?
Perhaps higher sales tax?
OR
How about state property taxes on windfarms?
Oops, there goes the PILOT for Elk County.
The second half of the newspaper article was titled, "No Magic Pill for Regaining Economic Vitality", but perhaps your visionaries know some wizardry, how about that?
We need your input.
So, how about some input from Elk Konnected, LLC and all it's visionary's, and our County Commissioner on these very important questions.
Well County Commissioner Hendricks I have been very patient waiting for a response from the organization that you founded and lead. You know Elk Konnected, LLC.
I thought you really wanted an open honest dialog with Elk County and I and others are still waiting for it.
I haven't heard another cotton-picking thing about your baseball tournament, what's the deal on that?
Also I don't recall reading anything about Elk Konnected, LLC being involved in that last community clean-up. I believe it was in Howard wasn't it?
I also don't hear anything about any activities for the children of Elk County lately what with that?.
I have read about activities being put on by the real communities of Elk County.
Or, is it you just get money from the county during the spring and summer so you can get involved in the real communities festivals and such?
Really I'd like to know what your real goals are and how you plan to execute them!
I checked your thread for the Steering Committee Monthly Update and it hasn't been updated since February 25, 2009, at 11:02:45 am. Don't you have meetings anymore? Or is it just a failure to follow-up on what you start? Seriously, now, I'd like to know and I'm sure the rest of the county would like to know as well.
Quote from: mayflower on February 25, 2009, 11:02:45 AM
That was the last good job that you recieved on the forum on your Steering Committee Monthly Update.
Just click that line up there and go take a look.
I'll be anxiously waiting for notification that you have posted an answer here.
If nothing shows up, I'll post again in about a month, maybe less to remind you.
Just a reminder: In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
I wish each and everyone out there a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
Think 'tour guides' and 'trail rides' all with on help from properly Konnected folks, Ross. It'll all make sense soon enough. Seen any artesian wells or limestone arch bridges lately? How about 200 megawatt wind farms. Just wait till the new fish hatchery & big RV camp opens! Bring on the tourists.
:D
Is that before or after the depression? ;D
Do ya reckon we will get to 50,000 reads before County Commissioner Hendricks and her Elk Konnected, LLC muster up the leadership qualities and gumption to return for that honest open dialog that talked about in the newspaper? :-*
They did claim to have leadership qualities didn't they? :)
I think we are giving them more notoriety, exposure then they have got anywhere else. They could at least show some appreciation and return for that good ole honest open dialog, don't ya think? ;)
I heard the West Elk School Board Presedent also an Elk Konnected, LLC person use that word "notoriety" at a board meeting. He wants more notoriety for West Elk. How about some for your Elk Konnected, LLC Mr. President? :D
RIDDLE ME THIS?
I was reading something on the internet that brought forward the following Children's story. And I thought I'd share the reminder with everyone else out there on the Elk County Forum.
"The Emperor's New Clothes"
Author Hans Christian Andersen
A vain Emperor who cares for nothing but his appearance and attire hires two tailors who are really swindlers that promise him the finest, best suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is unfit for his position or "just hopelessly stupid". The Emperor cannot see the cloth himself, but pretends that he can for fear of appearing unfit for his position; his ministers do the same. When the swindlers report that the suit is finished, they mime dressing him and the Emperor then marches in procession before his subjects, who play along with the pretense. Suddenly, a child in the crowd, too young to understand the desirability of keeping up the pretense, blurts out that the Emperor is wearing nothing at all and the cry is taken up by others. The Emperor cringes, suspecting the assertion is true, but holds himself up proudly and continues the procession, deciding never to be so vain again and to take his position more seriously.
The tale has been adapted to various media, including the musical stage and animated film.
Is it really just a child story?
I'd really like some answers, wouldn't you?
Does anyone have an answer?
The windfarm is now fully operational http://www.energyboom.com/wind/enel-green-power-brings-online-its-latest-north-american-wind-farm-kansas
And just incase you missed PrehistoricRez post in September here it is again for you.
Quote from: PrehistoricRez on September 03, 2011, 01:20:17 AM
http://www.protecttheflinthills.org/information/misplacedstategovtfaithinwindenergy.pdf (http://www.protecttheflinthills.org/information/misplacedstategovtfaithinwindenergy.pdf)
Thank you PrehistoricRez for that post.
Here are a few notes from that PDF
Landowners who lease land for wind turbines are, generally, "small" "winners" because
they receive income that they would not otherwise have. However:
• The amount of lease income they receive is overwhelmed by the higher electricity
prices that are imposed on electric customers who pay for the "wind farm" output.
(In effect, a
"beggar thy neighbor" benefit.• )The landowners may be subject to onerous contract provisions that they do not
recognize when they sign the lease agreements. Also, landowners may find
themselves responsible for the costs of removing ("decommissioning") the huge
structures if they are no longer useful to or are abandoned by the "wind farm"
owner (as occurred in California). These risks will be discussed in more detail later
in this report.
3. Electric customers are big
"losers" because they end up paying the higher cost of
electricity produced from the "wind farms."
4. Ordinary taxpayers are big
"losers" because they end up bearing the burden of taxes that
are escaped by "wind farm" ownes because of all the available tax breaks and
subsidies.
The PDF also discusses the lack of Economic Development and the Economic Costs of windfarms. It is excellent reading.
Really a good deal our county bought into isn't it. Higher Electric bills and no no electrical benefit form the local windfarm.
Didn't Elk Konnected, LLC with their so called Community Conversations convience us what a good deal it was for our county?
Is it really a good deal?At least Enid, Oklahoma is getting three times what Elk County is getting, they are getting it for their school district which should benefit the education of their children, don't ya think? And lower property taxes.
Hi Folks,
Good Monday Morning :)
Christmas has come and gone just like New Years has come and gone.
Some people are still on holiday while others are not.
I'm retired and on holiday anytime I want. But, I prefer to keep active and busy on my tiny little
farm/ranch and that way I don't sit around and get fat. I enjoy eating all the holiday cookies
candies and such, oh yea, I do! I put on 6 pounds over the holidays lounging around eating those goodies.
But, do I need our County Commissioner's Elk Konnected, LLC which failed at running a Wellness Center in Howard to motivate me to loose the excess weight I put on. Naw, I don't think so. Some funky little contest mimicked from a television show. Not even an origininal idea and not even mimicked very well. The tv show at least displays what they are doing, they show the people working out, they show the actual weight loss. If you sign up With Elk Konnected, LLC for a price they will let you use the Wellness Center that they could not operate successfully and sold to private individuals. How sweet is that? Will Elk Konnected provide cheerleaders like the TV show?
Mrs. County Councilwoman, just a curiosity question for you if you please. How much did you sell the Wellness center for? How much profit was made on it? Wasn't all the equipment purchased with handout money, donations that were suppose to be for a good cause? How much did that sale boost, what I believe you said was the $85,000 you have been operating on? Please correct me if I misstated the figure.
And what about all that good that Elk Konnected, LLC said they wanted to do for the children of Elk County. Is it because it's winter the children don't need anything? Oh, yea it looked like a few priviledged children were taken to Wichita to see the Nut Cracker to acquire some culture. Really? Culture? Really?
What I'm asking about are the few children that don't have runnung water or maybe heat in their homes? Did Elk Konnected, LLC help any children with Christmas presents of warm clothes or coats? Or does Elk Konnected, LLC only do in the summer when the communities have their festivals? Is that because that is the only time that Elk Konnected, LLC can get County Tax dollars to offer up the Elk Konnected, LLC lollipops. Don't you think Mrs. County Commissioner that perhaps the Communities could use those same County tax dollars to improve their own festivals?
Don't you suppose Mrs. County Commissioner that Elk Konnected, LLC could leave the County Tax payers money alone and use their own money that is being held by Elk County Community & Education Fund, you know the real and registered non-profit organization and let the communities use the County taxpayers dollars as they see fit for their festival's?
I wish you luck dealing with the fat people with your the Greatest Loser contest. I sure hope it does better than the Baseball Tournament or the Walk to Florida. Maybe the Visionaries Konnected with Elk Konnected, LLC will have more luck with the Fat People and figure how how to motivate them. I hope you have a turn out of at least 30 people, that would be about 1% of the county population. We can guess that at least 10% are over weight right? So a 1% turn out of thirty people should be pretty easy to accomplish for all those Visionaries? Go Visionaries Go! We are Cheering you on.
Mrs. County Commissioner can't you carry on the open honest dialog you have so often said you would? Or do you lack the couth, tact and diplomacy or is it a lack of integrity or too lazy? What is the problem with talking and having an open honest dialog? Is it not possible for a politician? ??? ???
Well Happy New Year Mrs. County Commissioner I saw that much larger advertisement for the Largest Loser Contest you are running. Perhaps being so much larger than the one you put in the last edittion of the paper last year, well, perhaps it will attract more attention. So, I was wondering if you got any responses. I mean after all you offered to let people use someone else's business for a price to help them lose weight. Aperson would thing people would flock in for that offer, right?
That's the business that Elk Konnected, LLC started and could not mamage to keep running. I think it is a terrific think of you to try to boost business at that place. Good job, keep up the good work.. I'm still waiting for some of that honest open dialog with your Elk Konnected, LLC so how about it?
How about telling us about the baseball league you set up, how did that turn out?
Let's try something easy, shall we?
Who participated in that Walk to Florida, or whatever it was called? I missed what that was all about!
How many have signed up for the Largest Loser Contest?
What are the prizes?
How about giving us the scoop on what's happening with the Largest Loser Contest?
Oh, Mrs. County Commissioner on county business are we gonna restructure the districts this year?
Well, I just feel a need to post today and you will see why as you read along. And no you probably won't read any word of this in the Elk County Commissioners Meeting Minutes because it is not required to be in there.
First, I don't demand that you believe anything I write, I don't even ask that you believe anything that I write.
Second, I don't demand that you read this thread or to even ask you to read this thread.
All of that is strictly your decision.
I do believe, I am just as entitled to my opinion as anyone else in Elk County taxpayer or not.
I don't believe anyone is being forced to read this vile opinion.
I will discuss this vile thingy as I go along.
I also don't believe the taxpayers of this county care to see our tax dollars wasted, please correct me if I am wrong.
Folks, I have tried real hard to remain civil. Oh sure, I'm human and on a couple of occasions I have got perturbed with a with a few comments thrown my way. For instance when someone told me that this subject was bad for my health, sounded kinda like a backhanded death threat to me from an Elk Konnected, LLC follower, and I said so. The responder tried to make light of it, but I let it go. They have no idea what is good or bad for my health. I was also told by a follower that everything I post is being printed and that I could face a lawsuit. Well, guess what folks, I'm still here and I haven't been sued and my health has not been affected.
I Haven't done any thing wrong by addressing Elk Konnected, LLC with a few honest questions, which by the way appears lead by it's founder, Our County Commissioner Liz (Perkins) Hendricks and staffed by Dr. Whetstone (Perkins) and Julie Perkins, oh least I forget our County Economic Development and Youth Services Employee along with a couple of other volunteers. It also appears to be Supported by and Defended by Elk County Commissioner Liebau. Elk Konnected, LLC a private company doesn't mind coming before the County Commissioner Board meeting's with their hand out for taxpayers money. I believe, that money could be used far better by the actual, you know the real communities in Elk County, rather than an imaginary Elk Konnected Kommunity, don't you? It is the actual communities that put on the festivals that I enjoy going to? Why not let them have the money to enhance their festivals as they see fit? Instead of the money being used for advertisement for Elk Konnected, LLC by them handing out lollipops with a sign attached saying Elk Konnected?
Well, trying to keep moving along. As I stated above, I don't believe anyone wants to see taxpayers money wasted.
I attended the Elk County Commissioners meeting on Monday January 10, 2012 and when they opened the meeting with the community forum and asked if anyone had anything, I responded that I do. I told County Commissioner Chairman Liebau that I wondered why we had an Elk County Economic Development Employee (that's a part time position). We were without one for sometime and having one now doesn't appear to make any difference. (Her pay could I believe could be considered an economic cost that is a waste of money.) I said, I haven't seen one single thing done in two years towards Economic Development. Now folks none of this is verbatim but Mr. Liebau's response went something like this: Mr. Ross it's like this, it is a very complex operation and it is very difficult to explain. I asked Mr. Leibau if he could define what Economic Development was. He said, "I have no clue Mr. Ross would you tell me!". So I gave a simple answer to bring jobs into the county. I also said, I haven't seen even a simple thing done like a web page on our Elk County Web site. County Commissioner Liebau asked our Economic Development employee if the new website was up and running yet. In my opinion, I really never received an answer.
Now, let me ask you folks out there, what difference does that make? The old web site has been available all his time and paid for by taxpayers dollars and a web page had at one time been posted there for Elk Konnected. LLC until Mr. Liebau's aunt complained at a County Commissioners meeting. So folks, why couldn't a web page for Elk County Economic Development have been established there a long time ago? A relatively simple thing to do. We the taxpayers are paying for at least that much. For Economic Development there is Economic Cost that come out of our taxes to pay for the employee and the employee's budget. What good is all that money doing for the taxpayer?
Big question, what are we getting for the Economic Cost of Economic Development?
Couldn't the money be better used for road maintenance or lowering taxes?
How many tons of road gravel could be purchased with the money?
Well anyway, I switched over to the subject of the Elk County Youth Services Employee (part time position also). (This position was proposed by Elk Konnected, LLC and voted on by at least two Commissioners with ties to the Company.) At any rate I said, I haven't seen a thing being done for the youth of our county by this person at all this fall or winter on the weekends. So I asked, way do we need to be paying for this position? I also stated that is appeared the employee did more work for Elk Konnected, LLC during the summer months then for the county. At which point County Commissioner Liebau said, "I will DEFEND Elk Konnected. Elk Konnected does a lot of good things for Elk County." That was not the subject in my mind, the subject was the employment of a Youth Services Employee. So Elk Konnected, LLC was not a point to discuss, it just that it appeared that our employee worked more for them, then for the County? County Commissioner Liebau then asked the Youth Services Employee what she was doing for the youth of the county. Remember now, nothing has happened all fall and winter, and please remember she is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering Committee. But now because being asked, all of a sudden now we are told there are plans. They are planning to rent some movies. Someone else took the ball at this point and I (really actually) kept quiet for awhile.
There appeared to be a lot of confusion on the part of the Elk County Youth Services Employee about who pays for her travel expenses. If I recall right she said some times the Elk County does and sometimes Elk Konnected, LLC does and sometimes she does and that it just depends. (Whatever that means! Perhaps it's another one of those different things County Commissioner Hendricks talks about when talking about the County tax coffers, I don't know). But I find it very confusing because to me there just doesn't appear to be a clear line between Elk County Government and Elk Konnected, LLC. It appears to me to be Elk Konnected, LLC County Government. What do you think?
And then the discussion went to Economic Development and I was still being quiet. I heard the Economic Development (partime)/Youth Services Employee (also partime) say's she was working on something, with someone who wanted to remain secret in case the thing fell through. I'm thinking huh? I didn't speak up and perhaps I should have. Perhaps, I should have asked who authorized such secret activity? Perhaps, I should have asked when did we elect any secret keeping Elk County Commissioners? Why would they have to keep secret, that perhaps a major firm is considering moving here? That in itself would not be disclosing anything, now would it? Actually, I think that is probably a cover up for something else, perhaps for someone more on the local level, otherwise there would be no need for secrecy would there? If the people thought their plans were going to fall through, they probably wouldn't put out money to progress the project, would they? So what really is going on? What are our Employee and Elected officials hiding from us? What else are they possibly hiding? Perhaps our County Commissioners will come forward and clear the air, right here on the forum? Please consider this an invite from at least one taxpayer to clue us in.
Oh, well! County Commissioner Liebau then asked what else she had been doing. She responded that she had been taking care of calls from the workers at the Wind Farm about where to rent a place to live, where to eat, where to buy fuel etc. And County Commissioner Liebau asked me directly if that answered my question. I said that just sounds like a phone book and a real estate agent, so no. I didn't say it then but I'll say it now, that was good Public Relation work on her part and that is good for our image to a small degree.
Now comes the vile part and I apologize for not remembering exactly when it was said. However, County Commissioner Leibau made the remark, "Everyone knows you've got it out for Elk Konnected". and also "Your posts on the Forum are vile." I responded with "Vile", and then I said "I have always tried to be as polite as possible." And County Commissioner Liebau said that's your opinion." And we were done. I was not the least bit offended because he is entitled to his opinion just as I and everyone else is. At one time he had told us he did not have time to read the forum, but this remark about my post being "vile" seems to say otherwise, so Commissioner Liebau I am asking you to be more specific. Please tell me and the readers which definition of the word vile are you referring to? Go ahead, have at me.
Is it the truths that you find "vile" ?
Is it the question's that you find "vile" ?
Is it the fact that people have the right to post their opinion's "vile" ?
I am not asking anyone to believe anything I say on this forum, I am just giving my opinion and asking questions?
Thank you.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals and how they plan to implement them. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Well, I think we have achieved transparency from our County Commissioners to a minor degree.
County Commissioner Liebau in my opinion has made it real clear his association with the private company Elk Konnected, LLC openly on at least two occassions during County Commissioners meetings and it appears to me County Commissioner Hendricks has claimed to be the founder of the private company Elk Konnected, LLC and on what I consider their board of governors called a steering committee. I see no difference between a board of governors and a steering committee except for the words that are used. If I am wrong please correct me and explain.
When asked about what our thousands of dollars are paying for in having to pay for a Youth Services/Economic Development Employee there were in my opinion no --- none --- zip answers to support the continuation of such waste of Elk County Tax Payers Money. Do you suppose we especially continue the waste of money for a Youth Services Employee, who has done nothing all fall and up to this point of this winter soley for the reason that Elk Konnected, LLC suggested that we need such a position and that two County Commissioners that support Elk Konnected, LLC refuse to recognize the waste of money?
Oh, least we forget, it was said at the last County Commissioners meeting that Youth Services is now planning to rent movies and start showing them to the youth on weekends. That's really great, rent movies ---- something that can be done on any television set ? Is there a real need to do movies that can be rented for a dollar at Red Box or elsewhere? Is that really worth thousands of taxpayers dollars in salary? Is that really worth, possibly, thousands of taxpayers dollars for a budget for this position? Really?
When asked about Elk County Economic Development again, in my opinion, I heard absolutley nothing that supports this great expenditure of taxpayers dollars. I heard an excuse in the form of a question, and that being, "is the new web site up yet?" We have hear that before, haven't we? How many more times will we hear that?
County Commissioner Hendricks did mention that the budget for Youth Services/Economic Development was only $10,000. I didn't clearly understand if that was for the two positions or, for one or the other, or $10,000 for each. Perhaps one of the commissioners would come on board and clear that up for us? Let's communicate Commissioners.
Where is the full transparency in our local Elk County Government? We were told at that last County Commissioner's meeting that our Elk County Economic Development Employee was working in secret with someone at their request. Do we pay this person to work for someone else and they tell her she has to keep secrets from the people that pay her salary. Who pay's her salary, isn't it you and me with our taxes? Doesn't that make you and me her employeer? Is that really worth thousands of taxpayers dollars in salary? Is that really worth, possibly, thousands of taxpayers dollars for a budget for this position? Really?
Let's back up to that County Web site, what do say? The thousands of dollars spent on 21st Century technology and especially the internet why isn't it put to good use for the taxpayer --- you and me. There is so much public information that could posted on our web site that is missing it's pathetic. The Minutes of the County Commissioners Meetings could be posted there, the County budget could be posted there, tax assements could be posted there. And I am sure I am missing other information that could be posted there. This would make things much more convient for the taxpayer versus having to drive to the court house and have to inconvience an employee to wait on you and themn provide the information. It would be the GREEN thing to do by saving gasoline to drive to the court house.
Don't we pay our county commissioners and isn't their job to keep us informed and to answer questions openly and honestly during a dialog. I unnderstand that commissioner Liebau finds my post's vile, and I appreciate his opinion, and as far as I am concerned he is welcome to it. No offense taken on my part, because I find some honesty in it. Don't you?
Still waiting for some logical answers, but enjoying this terrific weather we are having today, so I am going outside and really enjoy the weather. Bye-bye for now.
Well, I think we have achieved transparency from our County Commissioners to a minor degree.
County Commissioner Liebau in my opinion has made it real clear his association with the private company Elk Konnected, LLC openly on at least two occassions during County Commissioners meetings and it appears to me County Commissioner Hendricks has claimed to be the founder of the private company Elk Konnected, LLC and on what I consider their board of governors called a steering committee. I see no difference between a board of governors and a steering committee except for the words that are used. If I am wrong please correct me and explain.
When asked about what our thousands of dollars are paying for in having to pay for a Youth Services/Economic Development Employee there were in my opinion no --- none --- zip answers to support the continuation of such waste of Elk County Tax Payers Money. Do you suppose we especially continue the waste of money for a Youth Services Employee, who has done nothing all fall and up to this point of this winter soley for the reason that Elk Konnected, LLC suggested that we need such a position and that two County Commissioners that support Elk Konnected, LLC refuse to recognize the waste of money?
Oh, least we forget, it was said at the last County Commissioners meeting that Youth Services is now planning to rent movies and start showing them to the youth on weekends. That's really great, rent movies ---- something that can be done on any television set ? Is there a real need to do movies that can be rented for a dollar at Red Box or elsewhere? Is that really worth thousands of taxpayers dollars in salary? Is that really worth, possibly, thousands of taxpayers dollars for a budget for this position? Really?
When asked about Elk County Economic Development again, in my opinion, I heard absolutley nothing that supports this great expenditure of taxpayers dollars. I heard an excuse in the form of a question, and that being, "is the new web site up yet?" We have hear that before, haven't we? How many more times will we hear that?
County Commissioner Hendricks did mention that the budget for Youth Services/Economic Development was only $10,000. I didn't clearly understand if that was for the two positions or, for one or the other, or $10,000 for each. Perhaps one of the commissioners would come on board and clear that up for us? Let's communicate Commissioners.
Where is the full transparency in our local Elk County Government? We were told at that last County Commissioner's meeting that our Elk County Economic Development Employee was working in secret with someone at their request. Do we pay this person to work for someone else and they tell her she has to keep secrets from the people that pay her salary. Who pay's her salary, isn't it you and me with our taxes? Doesn't that make you and me her employeer? Is that really worth thousands of taxpayers dollars in salary? Is that really worth, possibly, thousands of taxpayers dollars for a budget for this position? Really?
Let's back up to that County Web site, what do say? The thousands of dollars spent on 21st Century technology and especially the internet why isn't it put to good use for the taxpayer --- you and me. There is so much public information that could posted on our web site that is missing it's pathetic. The Minutes of the County Commissioners Meetings could be posted there, the County budget could be posted there, tax assements could be posted there. And I am sure I am missing other information that could be posted there. This would make things much more convient for the taxpayer versus having to drive to the court house and have to inconvience an employee to wait on you and then provide the information. It would be the GREEN thing to do, by saving gasoline that would be used to drive to the court house.
Don't we pay our county commissioners and isn't their job to keep us informed and to answer questions openly and honestly during a dialog. I unnderstand that commissioner Liebau finds my post's vile, and I appreciate his opinion, and as far as I am concerned he is welcome to it. No offense taken on my part, because I find some honesty in it. Don't you?
Still waiting for some logical answers, but enjoying this terrific weather we are having today, so I am going outside and really enjoy the weather. Bye-bye for now.
I find it interesting that Mrs. Montgomery (formerly Brummel) told the county last Monday (Jan 9) that the new website would be up and online by Tuesday (Jan 10). I just looked at www.elkcounty.org (http://www.elkcounty.org) and see that the website is still not up! I believe that we are paying iGOV websites (a private concern at www.igovwebsites.com (http://www.igovwebsites.com)) to develop/host our website. This project has been ongoing for several months. Why the delay?
We had/have the same illogical delays with the courthouse boiler installation & phone systems. Why?
We have had the same delays in dealing with insurance programs for county employees and with pay raises for employees who haven't seen a pay increase in 4 or 5 years. Why?
We have the same delays with updates about the Caney River windfarm completion & PILOT payments. Why?
Why are the always lots of good questions and a shortage of good answers? Everything seems to wait until the last minute. Why? Perhaps one reason Elk County is shrinking is that our leaders/public servants always wait until the last minute to get their work done.
I wonder how Mrs Montgomery can continue to draw $2000 + a month from the taxpayers and be at the center of so many delays. Perhaps if her office weren't so cluttered with stacks of Elk Konnected flyers, brochures, cards and other private company materials, or perhaps if she weren't being reimbursed for time & mileage to drive around putting up Elk Konnected flyers she could focus more on county business.
Good Lord folks, don't you deserve better?
Good Lord Patriot how vile of you. To ask questions so politely. LOL
Perhaps that's why our Elk County Economic Development/Youth Services Employee did not ask for a pay raise when everyone else did. You know all the delays and unanswered questions, don't you think?
I do want to say that when I started up my daycare in 2005, I used the assistance of the Elk County Economic Director, who was at the time Charles Durbin. He was vital in helping me open the daycare, set up my business plan, and a load of things that I really had no idea of at the time. And yes, I am no longer in business, but that is of my own choice. I am currently student teaching in which I will graduate in May with a Masters in Special Education. My whole point being that the one of the many duties of the Economic director is to assist people who need help in starting up businesses in Elk County. Now, you might ask or think that it doesn't take alot to start up a daycare, but to do it legally it sure does.
Again, I am just letting you know that they did help me.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on January 18, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
I do want to say that when I started up my daycare in 2005, I used the assistance of the Elk County Economic Director, who was at the time Charles Durbin. He was vital in helping me open the daycare, set up my business plan, and a load of things that I really had no idea of at the time. And yes, I am no longer in business, but that is of my own choice. I am currently student teaching in which I will graduate in May with a Masters in Special Education. My whole point being that the one of the many duties of the Economic director is to assist people who need help in starting up businesses in Elk County. Now, you might ask or think that it doesn't take alot to start up a daycare, but to do it legally it sure does.
Again, I am just letting you know that they did help me.
Was that before or after Elk Konnected?
You don't say a thing about what the help was, why?
The reason I ask is because it just sounds like another Elk Konnected support statement with no facts.
Remember this post supporting Elk Konnected:
From an Elk Konnected follower:
Quote from: Hefe de vaca on July 02, 2011, 08:54:03 pm
NEWS FLASH , Elk Konnected was started by Richard Fish, a well respected citizen who sought to bring all of Elk County together and quit quibbling over small things and work together as county. The original idea went through the Chamber of Commerce, DONATIONS were given by many people who want to see the county grow. TIME was , and is, VOLUNTEERED by many people , YOUR If you would ever give up your time to help "people wanting to start a business" ( some people don't know about the assistance the government has..... Stupid people who don't know what they're talking about ) , but wait, then you wouldn't have time to come up with your BS here.
You will not likely see me waste another keystroke on you. You are a person who has one agenda, you're own.Go out and get a real job.
The actual post was apparently deleted but an actual quote of it can be seen here, http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=search2
I read that statement to mean if one were to do a little research on the internet they can find and get government assistance from professionals.
But anywa, we were discussing today's Elk County Economic Development, not past Economic Development which apparently was no better then today's.
Anyone can say go to this web site or this web site to get government help setting up you tiny little business. But, I thought we are actually talking Economic Development for the whole county?
What is Economic Development? In my opinion it's a polititcal catch phrase or sound bite if you will. No strings attached, no meat to it. What does it mean>? I gave a very simple answer, here it is.
Quote from: Ross on January 11, 2012, 12:13:47 PM
I asked Mr. Leibau if he could define what Economic Development was. He said, "I have no clue Mr. Ross would you tell me!". So I gave a simple answer to bring jobs into the county. I also said, I haven't seen even a simple thing done like a web page on our Elk County Web site. County Commissioner Liebau asked our Economic Development employee if the new website was up and running yet. In my opinion, I really never received an answer.
Well the Elk County web site is finally up and running and still there is nothing there that amounts to a hill of beans about Economic Development. And how many thousands of dollars in salary are we paying for this? Check it out at
http://www.elkcounty.org/economic-development.htm
Elk County Economic Development made the statement on the web site, "This office is dedicated to improving the quality of life for the citizens of Elk County." Improving the Quality of Life, isn't that what Elk Konnected, LLC claims they are doing? Oh, yea, our employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee, that's right. But neither one says anything about how they are going to do that. Just another sound bite, with no meat in my opinion.
Same thing with Elk County Youth Services before I said anything at the County Commissioners meeting they had done nothing to earn their pay as Elk County Youth Services for the fall and winter months. Now, WOW Youth Services will rent a movie for a weekend showing. Wait a minute, correction, the web page is now calling it Youth Development. Is that simply a movie on a DVD you watch on a television set? Will it be educational for developmental purposes? http://www.elkcounty.org/youth-development.htm And again, this is costing the taxpayers how many thousands of dollars?
I'd like to suggest that our County Officials look at other county web sites and perhaps learn a few things. Since, I assume that the majority of public information in the court house is now on computers we have bought with tax payers dollars, that information could be easily linked to our County Web Site. Just imagine, Elk Coounty Government going green. People wouldn't have to burn gas, causing those carbon emmisions to drive to the court house to find the information. let's put the 21st century technology in the court house to good use.
You know there is a organization that cost nothing to utilize at all that is available to anyone. Its Called SCORE. i don't know why you would need to duplicate this organization on a county level.
Quote from: srkruzich on January 20, 2012, 02:34:17 PM
You know there is a organization that cost nothing to utilize at all that is available to anyone. Its Called SCORE. i don't know why you would need to duplicate this organization on a county level.
Good point Srkruzich.
But that would take an education which included research to find it. ::)
Wait a minute, isn't that the bigest part of higher education? :o
Quote from: Ross on January 20, 2012, 03:58:07 PM
Good point Srkruzich.
But that would take an education which included research to find it. ::)
Wait a minute, isn't that the bigest part of higher education? :o
Uhmm personally i use the yellow pages! Actually the first thing the SBA asks is have you tried SCORE. They aren't going to loan you a dime without a business plan and thats what SCORE does.
Lastly all one has to do is enter these keywords into a google and guess what? SCORE comes up with their website! OH BTW It comes up as the very FIRST listing in google!
business advice,business template,business plan template,small business advice free,how to start a business,grow a business,business education,business mentor,business idea,small business tips,small business start up,advice on starting a business,business coach
Hey, Elk Konnected, LLC is going to have a Coed Volley Ball Tournament.
Another tournament, way to go.
All them visionaries with Elk Konnected must have thought this one up to.
I suppose that will improve the quality of life in Elk County, watcha think?
Only $75 dollars to play. Sounds like a fund raiser to me.
They must need money.
Where are all those donors they claim they have when they need them?
I never heard a thing about the Baseball Tournament they held, did anyone else?
And how about all those fat people in the contest to be "The Biggest Loser"?
What's happening there? How many have signed up? What's the story?
Don't they get to go to that exercise room in Howard that Elk Konnected, LLC started and failed to run ?
County Commissioner Liebau let's hear about all the successful things Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the quality of life in Elk County? You said you support them because they are good for the county, so tell us, Please?
Unless of course it is to vile a question to answer.
We know you are reading this.
So please tell us.
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Oh, a couple of question's for Elk Konnected, LLC and our Elected School Board Official & Elk Konnected, LLC member, David Whetstone if you please?
In what way is Enel Windfarm sponsoring the coed volleyball tournament?
Is Enel going to help pay for the expense of using our school facilities?
Will they Help pay for all the electricity used for the big bright lights used?
Will they Help pay for the clean up after the tournament?
Who will be reimbursing the taxpayers for the additional cost of the electricity to run all those high powered lights in the school gymnasium? Or will this privately owned company --- Elk Konnected, LLC just be sticking it to the taxpayers while they get paid by the supposed teams to play the tournament?
Will Elk Konnected be charging a fee for people to come and watch the Elk Konnected, LLC Volleyball Tournament?
Who will be reimbursing the taxpayers for the clean up after the Elk Konnected, LLC Volleyball Tournament?
Or does the privately owned company, Elk Konnected. LLC just continue to take advantage of the taxpayers?
Perhaps the schoolboard won't require any fees be paid by Elk Konnected, LLC because they have a member as the School Board President?
Please Elk Konnected, LLC tell us what the deal is please?
How about it fellow taxpayers of Elk County did I miss any questions? Are my questions too vile ?
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It has been over 5 years since I have owned the daycare. And some small businesses do bring people to Elk County, like: Traci's Trend, Sweet and Spicy, D&D Guns, and a host of others. As for using the internet, I did that. What I utilized Eco-Development was for the loan. Elk County was awarded money to help start up small businesses, and the county makes a percentage of the interest that is paid on the loan, (something like that). This helped us not use all of our savings to start the business.
Why if I am just answering your questions would you make snide remarks, like that would take an education to use the internet and do research? Is that a slam on me? I just nicely answered your questions and everytime I do you seem to make a slam. I was just stating what I know, just like you are stating your opinion. Please refrain from the rudeness when people are just answering or helping answer your questions.
If you want to know what Economic Development does, surely someone at the commissioners meeting has a job requirement for the job, at least I would think that they would.
Have a question for you Ross, I know that you don't like Elk Konnected. So if it is such a vile organization, why do you let your child go to the things that they put on? I mean, wouldn't you not let him go, kind of like boycotting it? Just wondering!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on January 22, 2012, 11:55:11 AM
Have a question for you Ross, I know that you don't like Elk Konnected. So if it is such a vile organization, why do you let your child go to the things that they put on? I mean, wouldn't you not let him go, kind of like boycotting it? Just wondering!
First off I never said Elk konnected, LLC a privately owned company was
vile, but you seem to have just suggested that.
However, I do believe Elk Konnected, LLC the privately owned business has no business controlling our local governments no more than your privately owned business --- the day care center.
If you ever attended a County Commissioners Meeting you would see there is only one Commissioner that is not associated Elk Konnected, LLC. So virtually there is no line drawn between Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk County Government.
I also see everytime I turn around they are standing there with there hand out, looking for a hand out. Gimme money, gimme money! And taxpayers dollars are great free money, right? Again my personal opinion.
Also they proved they couldn't run their own business the fitness Center in Howard, and sold it. Good Job on improving the quality of life in Elk County, right?
Elk Konnected, LLC appears to be just a handful of people, not at all representative of Elk County. They even deny having any membership. What kind of civil organization is that?
Second, who said my son has ever attended their mindless events?
The so called Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp appeared to me to be nothing more then a subsidized day care for a few children. My opinion.
My son had far better things to do with his time. I will catagoricaly deny refusing to let my son participate, he just used his time more productively.
Are you suggesting people boycot Elk Konnected???
By making such a statement to me, it appears that would be your desire.
I hope you are enjoying this beautiful day. I am headed outside again to enjoy it some more.
TTYL
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I am not saying boycotting their events at all. Just asking. No not really enjoying this fine day, book work for the government kept me pretty busy all weekend. Nice that our government wants to know how and when we make and spend our money isn't it! LOL
You're right, the government want's to know what all us poor people are doing.
Some people worry about the poor millionaires and billionasirs.
Myself, I'd like to know how much thr trillionairs pay in taxes.
I think those are the people that own the federal reserve and are continually devaluing our dollar
with their quantitative easing and loans to foreign countries that we don't know about.
Oh well, all is good here, and I have enjoyed this beautiful day immensley.
The top crust usually pay very little in what we call "taxes" because of their foundations and trusts and such. They do give away lots of money and support many functions but they stay in control of it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 22, 2012, 06:26:43 PM
The top crust usually pay very little in what we call "taxes" because of their foundations and trusts and such. They do give away lots of money and support many functions but they stay in control of it.
That doesn't help the country a bit does it, I'm talking by not paying their fair share of taxes and simply keeping it to control as they want. Seems totally unpatriotic to mean. Just like organizations that have their hands out for a hand out to help to build their own reputation by handing out lollipops. Just seems unethical, but, because we are told it is not unethical we are suppose to believe it. Well, I don't believe it.
This is a problem clear across the country. The people of wealth are considered upstanding leaders of the community and can do no wrong and I totally disagree with that kind of thinking. Just read or watch the news.
I believe the Navy this last year alone threw out about 25 or more of the so called Officers and Gentlemen that were suppose to be leaders. Real leadership means much more then a title. A simple explanation is giving credit where credit is due and being responsible enough to truthfully carry the burden when something goes wrong, a person must also lead by example. And all of those features are very difficult to do properly, it takes a lot of self discipline and honesty and integrity. Somethhing seldom seen these days.
Ross, you're so right.
Glad to see there are a number like you in Elk County who will stand for the principles of liberty.
Thanks Red,
There are a few that are connected with this thread and that follow this thread. They are the one's that have nothing to hide and are not afraid to have an honest and open two way dialog.[/b]
What is being hidden will eventually come out, watch and see.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 22, 2012, 06:26:43 PM
The top crust usually pay very little in what we call "taxes" because of their foundations and trusts and such. They do give away lots of money and support many functions but they stay in control of it.
True but thats every mans right. No one has the right to take ones hard work and profit from that work.
Ya, know what, I'm still wondering what our employees are hiding from us.
Yes, they are our employees?
Who am I speaking of?
You and me and everyone else that pays property taxes, we are the employer.
Who do we employe?
Each and every County Commissioner, yes.
Each and every County employee.
I see our County Commissioner Hendricks since having the (giant) title of chairman given to her
is handing out a lolloipop in the way of her own little article in the newspaper about the County Commissioners meetings.
What in the world is wrong with the 21st century way of doing things? Like utilizing the very expensive electronics that have been installed in the court house and the County Web site. After all she wanted to use the County web site for her Elk Konnected, LLC until she was forced to remove it. So, why not use it for county information?
Oh well.
Back to what are they hiding from us, that was the question right?
Our Economic Development employee, said she was working secretly with someone because they asked her to.
Now wait a minute?
Who pays her wages?
Who does she answer to?
Who do the County Commissioner work for?
Who do the County Commissioners answer to?
Where is the transparency in our local government?
What are they hiding, really?
Is it something that will line their own pockets?
Is it at the request of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Two of the County Commissioners admit to being Elk Konnected, LLC
and speak out that they defend Elk Konnected, LLC, don't they?
Even thought they never say what they are defending Elk Konnected, LLC from, now do they?
Who ever heard of some one building something, a business and wanting to keep it secret?
Usually they want plenty of advertisement before getting started, which generates more interest in what is happening.
This also get more business coming their way. Look at any new Dillions being built. The first thing that goes up before ground breaking is a big sign, "New Dillions Coming Soon".
So what is there to hide?
Is there an Elk Konnected County Commissioner we can trust if so, stop the secrets from your employees.
What is the big secret that our Economic Development employee is working on?
The only secrets that I am aware that our County Commissioners are required by law to keep from us is Executive Session concerning employee problems. If I am wrong please let me and everyone else know. There is just no information on our county web site that amounts to a durn thing.
Every one reading this is aware that at least two of the County Commissioners read this thread. So come on, let's have with open and honest dialog that Elk Konnected, LLC claimed in the past that they wanted and let's include it as County Commissioners as well and let's make it two way, Okay?
Economic Developers have a Code of Ethics. Just like attorneys or CPA's or any of a dozen or so professions, they must maintain in confidence the affairs of any client, colleague or organization and can not disclose confidential information obtained in the course of professional activities.
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 03:29:13 PM
Economic Developers have a Code of Ethics. Just like attorneys or CPA's or any of a dozen or so professions, they must maintain in confidence the affairs of any client, colleague or organization and can not disclose confidential information obtained in the course of professional activities.
Oh come on Flint.
That sounds like so much bull.
Can you show a link to such Code of Ethics for Economic Developers that says they are to keep secrets from the public that they work for, the same public that pays their wages? I can't find it.
If you can do that I will definitly and sincerely apologize for calling it so much bull.
So what are they hiding?
http://www.iedconline.org/index.php?p=Ethics_Code (http://www.iedconline.org/index.php?p=Ethics_Code)
I am not flint, however you may want to gander at it.
One man's Professional Integrity to adhere to confidential information as it pertains to the situation, may be viewed as a secret.
If this link did not post correctly you can google it.
Professional courtesy is not to a "tell all" position.
A closed session is not a secret. It is a time for the powers that be to discuss personnel matters such as wages, disciplinary actions of things that are of a delicate matter that are not open for the Public Records Act.
ready
Good post Ready.
Thank you.
What I found at your link.
4. Professional economic developers are mindful that they are representatives of the community and shall represent the overall community interest.
5. Professional economic developers shall keep the community, elected officials, boards and other stakeholders informed about the progress and efforts of the area's economic development program.
6. Professional economic developers shall maintain in confidence the affairs of any client, colleague or organization and shall not disclose confidential information obtained in the course of professional activities.
7. Professional economic developers shall openly share information with the governing body according to protocols established by that body. Such protocols shall be disclosed to clients and the public.
8. Professional economic developers shall cooperate with peers to the betterment of economic development technique, ability, and practice, and to strive to perfect themselves in their professional abilities through training and educational opportunities.
I fail to see anywhere that it says that the Economic Development or the County Commissioners are to keep the project itself secret from the community.
I'd appreciate where anyone can show me that it does.
Thank you.
Thank you Ready. Just last week I was reviewing my notes from taking IEDC's Basic course last fall, so I paraphrased it from my notes.
Another Code of Ethics we discussed was the one developed by the Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation. It's section on confidentiality:
"Confidentiality of Prospects
In all instances members of the Metro Denver EDC shall honor the confidentiality of individual prospects. Whenever possible, specific information on particular transactions shall be shared within the realm of the Metro Denver EDC and the Governor's Office of Economic Development and International Trade. In those instances where prospects are dealing with individual communities, information will only be shared by Metro Denver EDC staff and the local ED representatives involved.
In instances where a prospect wishes to remain completely confidential with an individual community, the remaining members of the Metro Denver EDC shall honor that confidentiality and shall in no way attempt to intervene in the relationship. The prospect will remain confidential until the prospect chooses to announce."
Note that last sentence - "The prospect will remain confidential until the prospect chooses to announce." Pretty clear cut, I believe.
Also in the appendice of the chapter on ethics was this from the Institute of Economic Development (United Kingdom):
"Confidentiality
Members who receive information in confidence will not divulge such information without the express permission of the appropriate authority. In the pursuit of local economic development and in particular of economic growth and inward investment, it may be necessary to request information from businesses which those businesses may consider to be of a sensitive and confidential nature. In order to protect those businesses, and to enable the practitioner to continue to seek and receive such information in the pursuance of his role, the Institute considers that good practice requires that no such privileged information should be revealed to third parties under any circumstances without express permission of the business concerned."
Flint
Flint,
I'd really like to read that information.
Would you provide me with a link to it, please.
However, I noticed that is for Metro Denver not Elk County.
It was also applying to a Corporation not a government.
The Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation (Metro Denver EDC), an affiliate of the Denver Metro Chamber of Commerce. first paragraph, second sentence at http://www.metrodenver.org/about-metro-denver-edc/
Can you provide me with a link for Elk County Economic Development Ethics or protocol?
That would be most helpful.
Thanks.
The Code of Ethics for the MDEDC "represents the standards that each member of the Metro Denver EDC supports and practices in its daily conduct of business."
The membership of the MDEDC includes 70 cities, counties, and economic development organizations.
I did not have a specific piece of paper that said "Code of Ethics for Elk County Economic Development Director" when I was in that position. But I adhered to a set of standards that I came across when I was at K-State, that mirrored ethical standards in place with other units of government and organizations that I dealt with. Such as the Kansas Department of Commerce, USDA Rural Development, the Small Business Administration, the South Central Kansas Economic Development District, etc.
With or without a specific policy in place, each and every practitioner in the field of economic development has an obligation to adhere to industry standards when it comes to how they carry out their work.
Why is it so hard for you to understand that the maintenance of client confidentiality is a very important part of economic development endeavours?
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
The Code of Ethics for the MDEDC "represents the standards that each member of the Metro Denver EDC supports and practices in its daily conduct of business."
Metro
Denver
Economic
Development
Corporation Corporation being the key word. Metro is another key word --- we are Rural.
They probably have more members on their board then the number of taxpaying citizens in Elk County. LOL
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
The membership of the MDEDC includes 70 cities, counties, and economic development organizations.
Apples and Oranges. You are quoting from a Corporation and I am asking about government.
And I am not asking for a political opinion but for facts. No word twisting, pretty simple.
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
I did not have a specific piece of paper that said "Code of Ethics for Elk County Economic Development Director" when I was in that position. But I adhered to a set of standards that I came across when I was at K-State, that mirrored ethical standards in place with other units of government and organizations that I dealt with. Such as the Kansas Department of Commerce, USDA Rural Development, the Small Business Administration, the South Central Kansas Economic Development District, etc.
But you can not quote anything that says that our County Government needs to keep secret the type of project they are working with can you? Only thing I can see would be trade secrets or something of that sort.
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
With or without a specific policy in place, each and every practitioner in the field of economic development has an obligation to adhere to industry standards when it comes to how they carry out their work.
And to realize who employ's them --- the taxpayer ---- right?
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 08:51:35 PM
Why is it so hard for you to understand that the maintenance of client confidentiality is a very important part of economic development endeavours?
I believe they were addressing the clients trade secrets or some such thing, not who the client is who may profit from taxpayers money or tax cuts. To tell us who we are accomodating is not any breach on their confidentiality. If so perhaps we should not accomodate them.
Where is the transparency in Goverment which is suppose to be Of the People, For the People and By the People, The
TAXPAYER. Have we the people given up all rights?
All the individuals who work for the enities that make up the MDEDC have to abide by that Code of Ethics. I don't have an exact breakdown, but the vast majority of the individual economic development entities are city or county governments.
You have absolutely no idea how economic development is practiced.
I guess all the hundreds of thousands of people who work in economic development or have economic development responsibilites are doing it all wrong because YOU say they are.
I have tried to enlighten you, but your mind, as usual, is closed.
I'm done with this topic.
Goodnight.
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 09:55:19 PM
All the individuals who work for the enities that make up the MDEDC have to abide by that Code of Ethics. I don't have an exact breakdown, but the vast majority of the individual economic development entities are city or county governments.
You have absolutely no idea how economic development is practiced.
I guess all the hundreds of thousands of people who work in economic development or have economic development responsibilites are doing it all wrong because YOU say they are.
I have tried to enlighten you, but your mind, as usual, is closed.
I'm done with this topic.
Goodnight.
I'm sorry you fail to understand the difference between a CORPORATION and our little County Government.
And, I suppose you recognize a corporation as a person as well, right?
Or is it you just chose what ever rules that fit your purpose?
I have enjoyed talking with you and I thank you for indulging me.
I personally do believe in transparency in government.
Goodnight.
Ross, I will try this one last time.
Please read slowly and carefully.
The Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation (MDEDC) is a corporation, a not-for-profit corporation. It's Code of Ethics was developed by, agreed to, and must be adhered to by all of it's member entities.
There are 70 entities that make up the not-for-profit corporation, it's 'owners". These entities are CITY GOVERNMENTS, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, and other economic development not-for-profit corporations, most of which are 'owned' by CITY GOVERNMENTS and COUNTY GOVERNMENTS. The employees of these CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS must follow the Code of Ethics of MDEDC.
It is the same principle as Elk County being a member/owner/director of the South Central Kansas Economic Development District (SCKEDD), which is a not-for-profit corporation.
As Elk County's member of the SCKEDD Board of Directors, I adhered to it's Code of Conduct, another name for Code of Ethics. As a member of one of the SCKEDD loan committees, I adhered to an even more stringent Code of Conduct, because I was privy to vast amounts of financial data from and about dozens of companies whose loan applications were under review.
Quote from: flintauqua on January 24, 2012, 10:44:47 PM
Ross, I will try this one last time.
Please read slowly and carefully.
The Metro Denver Economic Development Corporation (MDEDC) is a corporation, a not-for-profit corporation. It's Code of Ethics was developed by, agreed to, and must be adhered to by all of it's member entities.
There are 70 entities that make up the not-for-profit corporation, it's 'owners". These entities are CITY GOVERNMENTS, COUNTY GOVERNMENTS, and other economic development not-for-profit corporations, most of which are 'owned' by CITY GOVERNMENTS and COUNTY GOVERNMENTS. The employees of these CITY AND COUNTY GOVERNMENTS must follow the Code of Ethics of MDEDC.
It is the same principle as Elk County being a member/owner/director of the South Central Kansas Economic Development District (SCKEDD), which is a not-for-profit corporation.
As Elk County's member of the SCKEDD Board of Directors, I adhered to it's Code of Conduct, another name for Code of Ethics. As a member of one of the SCKEDD loan committees, I adhered to an even more stringent Code of Conduct, because I was privy to vast amounts of financial data from and about dozens of companies whose loan applications were under review.
You don't get it do you? You are still talking Metro Denver and Corporation no matter how you twist the words. And we are not asking anything about financial data or loan applications, simply
who or what is being supported by our tax dollars. All your politics does not address keeping the who or what as being kept secret does it.
Quote from: Ross on January 24, 2012, 06:50:11 PM
Good post Ready.
Thank you.
5. Professional economic developers shall keep the community, elected officials, boards and other stakeholders informed about the progress and efforts of the area's economic development program.
This information can be found at the below quoted link.
Quote from: readyaimduck on January 24, 2012, 05:29:42 PM
http://www.iedconline.org/index.php?p=Ethics_Code (http://www.iedconline.org/index.php?p=Ethics_Code)
ready
Ross, you're asking too many questions to determine where not much, if anything, ever gets done.
Those economic development offices are everwhere and that's just more of the "government" economic deverlopment
you see in most places.
You are right Red.
And that's why I asked at the County Commissioners meeting, why we are paying for an employee to hold the position of Economic Development. I didn't see where anything was being accomplished.
That's when she told us, the County Commissioners and the public at the meeting that she was working with a group or business that wants to remain secret.
I don't find anything in the Ethics that says they should hold what or who they ar working for or with as secret.
What are they hiding?
Is that just a cover up to continue paying for something that is non productive?
I also asked why we need a Youth Development Employee who had done nothing for months for the Youth of Elk County/
Now they are renting movies for the weekends. Is that really woth the taxpayers expense? Are the movies actually going to be something that help with the development of children? Or is Youth Development just another fabrication? Or is it just another misnomer?
well when they work in secret then that usually means they are trying to come up with a deal to bring in some company and give them sepcial incentives they don't want the public to know about until the deal is signed. Usually that also means that friends of whoever is handling the transactions get to negotiate sales to this said companythrough the Economic individual thereby bypassing any of the "residents" or businessmen of the county that are not Friends of Government officials. THat is the sole purpose of secrecy. To do the same shit their doing and implement the saying its easier to ask forgiveness than get permission.
Quote from: srkruzich on January 25, 2012, 11:03:05 AM
well when they work in secret then that usually means they are trying to come up with a deal to bring in some company and give them sepcial incentives they don't want the public to know about until the deal is signed. Usually that also means that friends of whoever is handling the transactions get to negotiate sales to this said companythrough the Economic individual thereby bypassing any of the "residents" or businessmen of the county that are not Friends of Government officials. THat is the sole purpose of secrecy. To do the same shit their doing and implement the saying its easier to ask forgiveness than get permission.
I see no where that our County Commissioners or employees have any ethical reason to keep secrets from the taxpayers.
Unless something is amiss. Otherwise there would be transparency. And it makes me wonder how the County Commissioners, Elk Konnected, LLC Association fits in with all of it?
Just asking?
Well. Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioners what's happening with that Biggest Losers Contest?
Did ya get any fat people signed up?
And that coed volleyball how many teams have paid to sign up?
Is it gonna be a big tournament?
We never did hear anything about the big baseball tournament are teams still signing up or what's the story on it?
Perhaps, I have missed it but I haven't seen anything on the internet or in the newspaper about any of it.
So perhaps would you be good enough to enlighten us, Here?
Or is everything going the way of the fitness center?
Perhaps you could use some more of the taxpayers money from the County Commissioners recreational funds to promote your self some more?
Come on and talk with the citizens of Elk County that are on this forum, please.
Ross, I do have to say that your comments are not the nicest. I am a big person and fight everyday to try and loss weight. So if I chose to participate in the contest, which is no ones business, makes me a fat person???? I have to say, we have bullying going on in our schools that is beyond mean, but your comment there is down right WRONG!! NO MATTER HOW YOU TWIST IT!! I have smaller girls and tell them everyday that it is not right to call anyone fat! It isn't, do you know what that can do to kids?? I mean really!! Some people, me included, don't have the privelage to eat whatever we want when ever we want. Our bodies don't all work the same!! So PLEASE refrain from that kind of talk, if not for yourself but at the others reading this that like the chance to particapate in the contest!!
Do you as a person not have any code of ethics? I do, and I chose not to call others fat!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on January 30, 2012, 07:42:15 PM
Ross, I do have to say that your comments are not the nicest. I am a big person and fight everyday to try and loss weight. So if I chose to participate in the contest, which is no ones business, makes me a fat person???? I have to say, we have bullying going on in our schools that is beyond mean, but your comment there is down right WRONG!! NO MATTER HOW YOU TWIST IT!! I have smaller girls and tell them everyday that it is not right to call anyone fat! It isn't, do you know what that can do to kids?? I mean really!! Some people, me included, don't have the privelage to eat whatever we want when ever we want. Our bodies don't all work the same!! So PLEASE refrain from that kind of talk, if not for yourself but at the others reading this that like the chance to particapate in the contest!!
Do you as a person not have any code of ethics? I do, and I chose not to call others fat!!
I am so sorry you are offended. I did not call you fat or anyone else by name fat. But really what is the differce between the words.
I have a sister-in-law that was told for decades she was big boned. It was really not a good thing to tell her. It was bad for her health. She finally woke up and lost the weight. She was beautiful before but now she is healthier, still just as pretty but much thinner. And I am very proud of her.
Hey, if you go for it, I wish you the very best in meeting your goals.
Just take a look at the show biggest loser that this contest is being copied from. Those folks aren't fat either, they are obese. Oh. I'm a few pounds overweight. I have a few fat cells I am trying to burn off. I think
just about every one does, don't they.
Oh yea, the people on the show the biggest losers don't have to pay to lose weight, infact the winner gets paid by the company. Isn't that nice. They probably get everything paid for like airfare, meals, lodging.
I was just inquiring how the contest was going for Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Or if it was going the way of the baseball, vollyball games and the Wellness center.
They need a successfull event, don't they?
Oh yea, the people on the show the biggest losers don't have to pay to lose weight, infact the winner gets paid by the company. Isn't that nice. They probably get everything paid for like airfare, meals, lodging.
I'm old and disabled according to the government. But it doesn't bother me a bit to be called either one. It's the truth. I do believe there are probably other more politically correct terms that can be used. But it's all the same.
But once again I appologize for offending you. I'm just a redneck old hick.
Have a good evening.
Just to show my using of the word fat is not at all wrong or unethical I feel compelled to show the following article.
Gary Taubes
author of Why We Get Fat
and Good Calories, Bad Calories
Updates for 2012
January 21, 2012 81 Comments
Checking in after a long absence (working too hard, and blogging too little), I have news and updates for 2012. The first order of business is a letter to the editor of the New York Times in response to Tara Parker-Pope's "The Fat Trap" article that ran on the cover of the January 1st NYT Magazine.
You can find it at http://garytaubes.com/2012/01/updates-for-2012/
I haven't got the time right now to read it, but perhaps there is some good information in it.
I plan to read it later today.
I hope this satifies the question of ethics on my part.
So County Commissioner Hendricks how's that largest loser contest coming along?
Monday was a sad day for economics in Elk County.
I was in Longton and wanted to stop at the Lions Den for a cup of coffee and a piece of pizza on Thursday.
Guess what, the previous Monday was it's last day, or so I was told.
It's shut down. How sad is that.
Where was all the help to make Elk County a better place to live, what happened to quality of life,
where was all that economic development help for this little Mom and Pop business?
Where was Elk County Economic Development and what were they doing, that function of our county government that operates on our tax money's. oh that's right === working on a secret project.
Do we really need to pay for Economic Development with our tax dollars?
Especially when it sits back doing secret projects?
And doesn't appear to be there for the whole county, is it or isn't it for the whole county?
Where was Elk Konnected, LLC with their improving quality of life in Elk County?
Where were the visionaries?
Wasn't this small business worth any bodies efforts in Elk County?
Where was all that pulling the communities together, stuff?
They must all be busy looking out for some tourism trail ride through the Howard area right?
Is that the big secret our Elk County Economic Development is working on?
At any rate, I will miss the Lions Den and the good people that worked there in Longton.
What is Economic Development????
I'd like to suggest the county Commissioners Define Economic Development and post it on our county web site.
How about posting the job description as well?
I know Commissioner Liebau you don't micro-manage.
I heard you loud and clear at the Commissioners meeting.
That's not what I'm suggesting, I am suggesting only to manage for the taxpayers.
Is Economic Development only for a few in special circles?
What is our Economic Development Employee doing?
Has our Economic Development Employee visited any small business outside of Howard?
Visit them to let them know what Economic Development has to offer?
Especially during these hard economic times.
Or is that strictly an office job?
I still see nothing on the County Web site that says what Elk County Economic Development has to offer.
Why is that?
I read the following on our county web site about Economic Development:
This office is dedicated to improving the quality of life for the citizens of Elk County. The focus of this office is to attract new business and retain existing business.
I want to know how they propose to do what they say in that statement, please tell us?
Do we have so many business in Elk County that our Economic Development Employee can't visit them
and let the business know what Elk County can do to help them?
Oh, I understand the arguments of socialism, but if the state and the federal governments make the monies available to the county, are those monies only to be used only by a few in special circles?
Don't we have two County Commissioners that are Konnected and Defend and Cheer for the pulling together of the communities through Elk Konnected, LLC ?
How are they accomplishing any that?
It doesn't appear through the use of Economic Development, does it?
It doesn't appear through the use of Elk Konnected, LLC, does it?
It doesn't appear through the use of Visionaries, does it?
It doesn't appear using Lollipops does the job either does it?
Come on County Commissioners how about some real answers?
By-by to the Lions Den in Longton. I'm sure you will be missed.
I'll miss you.
Did the folks at the Lions Den say why they were closing? Is the business for sale?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 04, 2012, 11:29:12 AM
Did the folks at the Lions Den say why they were closing? Is the business for sale?
I have no idea why they closed and haven't heard anything about it being for sale.
My whole point was where is Elk Konnected, LLC in making Elk County a better place to live and where was Elk County Economic Development?
Perhaps, Is it because the Pizza Place wasn't in Howard that they got no help?
Is it because our Economic Development who's mission is to help sustain bussiness, is to busy working on secret projects, which means there is no time for real projects? What are the county tax payers paying for with their tax dollars for Economic Development. (the same goes for Youth Development, does Youth Development really help develop youth by renting a movie every once in a while?) County Commissioners, how many thousands of dollars are we wasting each year on these two positions? Two position s that appear to be accomplishing absolutely nothing?
I was asking about, where was Elk Konnected, LLC and all it visionaries and talk of making Elk County a better place to live, all that quality of life stuff they talk about. And I am still asking , where were you?
They really failed again didn't they? Couldn't they have helped the little community of Longton keep their pizza place and wouldn't that have pulled communities together and
put a gigantic feather in their bonnet?Just some additional thoughts about what happens in our lives:Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth. By Albert Einstein.Just recently authority is questioned and arrogance is shown based on the belief that respect is due, simply because a person holds an office. In my opinion respect is earned on a daily basis. Check this out arrogance .AG Eric Holder Chews Out GOP Rep:
He was being asked to resign."That was among the worst things I've ever seen in Congress" Holder scolded. "There's a whole bunch of things that I could say about what you just did, maybe this is the way you do things in Idaho or wherever you're from, but understand something — I'm proud of the work that I've done as attorney general of the United States, and looked at fairly, I think that I've done a pretty good job."
"Have I been perfect? No. Have I made mistakes? Yes," Holder acknowledged. "Do I treat the members of this committee with respect? I always hope that I do. And what you have just done is if nothing else, disrespectful. And if you don't like me that's one thing. You should respect the fact that I hold an office that is deserving of respect."
maybe the office does, but does the person?Sen. Jim DeMint: 'I Think I Already Have' Called For Holder's Resignation"
The higher up in government the more arrogant they are. Respect is earned not demanded. And all they ask is your silent, obedient consent.
Did the pizza folks ask for help? Their reason for closing may not have been for lack of business. How would anyone know if they needed help if they didn't speak up? Aren't you jumping to a lot of conclusions based on no information?
Why would they ask for help?
Would you want them to ask for government help? If so, why?
I'm not the one suggesting the economic development folks didn't do their job. Can't have it both ways.
Having it both ways is a real possibility with government bureaucrats in place.
What do they know about economic development? Not much except to draw their own wages.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 06, 2012, 09:01:42 AM
I'm not the one suggesting the economic development folks didn't do their job. Can't have it both ways.
Quote from: Ross on February 03, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
Where was all the help to make Elk County a better place to live, what happened to quality of life,
where was all that economic development help for this little Mom and Pop business?
Where was Elk County Economic Development and what were they doing, that function of our county government that operates on our tax money's. oh that's right === working on a secret project.
Do we really need to pay for Economic Development with our tax dollars?
Especially when it sits back doing secret projects?
And doesn't appear to be there for the whole county, is it or isn't it for the whole county?
Where was Elk Konnected, LLC with their improving quality of life in Elk County?
Where were the visionaries?
Wasn't this small business worth any bodies efforts in Elk County?
Where was all that pulling the communities together, stuff?
They must all be busy looking out for some tourism trail ride through the Howard area right?
Is that the big secret our Elk County Economic Development is working on?
The only suggestion I have made is the second line down, Define Economic Development.Everything else is questions or statements or opinion.Quote from: Ross on February 03, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
What is Economic Development????
I'd like to suggest the county Commissioners Define Economic Development and post it on our county web site.
How about posting the job description as well?
I know Commissioner Liebau you don't micro-manage.
I heard you loud and clear at the Commissioners meeting.
That's not what I'm suggesting, I am suggesting only to manage for the taxpayers.
Is Economic Development only for a few in special circles?
Quote from: Ross on February 03, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
What is our Economic Development Employee doing?
Has our Economic Development Employee visited any small business outside of Howard?
Visit them to let them know what Economic Development has to offer?
Especially during these hard economic times.
Or is that strictly an office job?
I still see nothing on the County Web site that says what Elk County Economic Development has to offer.
Why is that?
I read the following on our county web site about Economic Development:
This office is dedicated to improving the quality of life for the citizens of Elk County. The focus of this office is to attract new business and retain existing business.
I want to know how they propose to do what they say in that statement, please tell us?
Do we have so many business in Elk County that our Economic Development Employee can't visit them
and let the business know what Elk County can do to help them?
Oh, I understand the arguments of socialism, but if the state and the federal governments make the monies available to the county, are those monies only to be used only by a few in special circles?
Quote from: Ross on February 03, 2012, 07:25:49 AM
Don't we have two County Commissioners that are Konnected and Defend and Cheer for the pulling together of the communities through Elk Konnected, LLC ?
How are they accomplishing any that?
It doesn't appear through the use of Economic Development, does it?
It doesn't appear through the use of Elk Konnected, LLC, does it?
It doesn't appear through the use of Visionaries, does it?
It doesn't appear using Lollipops does the job either does it?
Come on County Commissioners how about some real answers?
Diane, why shouldn't our employee be out there contacting the people she is hired to assist?
Why shouldn't our employee have a defined program?
Why shouldn't that information be available on our expensive web site for the general public?
Isn't
just about everything in the county government public information?
I'm simply asking the questions everyone should be asking, I hope you understand that?
Anything beyound that is just my personal opinion. And I do not wish to offend anyone.
It's just the truth as I see it. And I believe everyone else is entitled to their opinion, even if it is different from mine.
To question the ones that are suppose to be served by government and pays the taxes for government to hire such people to serve in my opinion is wrong. If government does not want to serve the taxpayer perhaps they should return the taxpayers money. Instead of giving tax dollars away.
This is very entertaining. Red thinks the Gov't shouldn't "help" and doesn't know how and people shouldn't ask for help anyway and Ross wants someone out there running the roads to find out who needs help, which doesn't sound very efficient to me. ;D ;D ;D
How about an economic development office that people can walk into and sit down with someone and ask to see what help and information is available? A website would be good too of course. I'd still want to know WHY the place closed.It might be personal and nobody's business anyway.
I have patronized the place three times that I can recall.
When it first opened its doors, I wondered how another eatery in the town could make a go.
That was a while ago.
But then, I never thought Howard would support three (apparently) prospering eating places.
I think you miss the whole point. We have an organization that is a private company an LLC telling us they are there to improve the quality of life for the county. When asked how they can't tell us. We have county commissioners who act as cheer leaders for the LLC during County Commissioners meetings when county business is uppose to be the subject. One Commissioner also admitted he had no clue what Economic Developement is.
Yet when asked what the Elk County Economcmic Development employee is doing we are told it's a secret? In other words we are spending taxpayers dollars for an employee to keep secrets from their employeer. So far as I can see is what we are recieving for our money is that there is finally a new web site that has been activated and not anything of substance concerning Economic Development on it. This position has been filled for nearly two years and nothing to show for the salary paid for two years. Diane how many tons of road gravel could have been purchased with that money? Diane how many farmers would like their county roads repaired with that road gravel. That would have been something far more substantial, don't you think?
As for Red, I can't speak for him and I won't try to.
I will state as I did earlier, I do understand how some people might look upon Economic Developement as a form of socialism.
But as far as your remark:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 06, 2012, 08:16:25 PM
Red thinks the Gov't shouldn't "help"
Please tell me how they are helping?
Which is the whole point.
What exactly has Elk County Economic Development accomplished in the last (nearly) two years?
We have been told --- answered the telephone to answer a few questions about where to eat, where to sleep, where to buy fuel.That would be fine for about the first month or two of the windfarm project's start up, but that's about all. Those questions could easily be answered by their employer or fellow employees or google. I'm sure Some of the people on the project even had GPS's which provide the same info at the touch of a button. This is the twenty first century. The age of computer's, smart cellphones and GPS's.
We as taxpaying concerned citizens of the county have every right to ask these questions and not have them considered as rude, vulgar or vile?
I think every one is aware by now that at least two Elk County Commissioners and Elk Konnected, LLC read this forum and yet they refuse to provide any answers.
Why the business that was refered as going out of business, went out of business is not relevant in my opinion. However, my bet would be not enough business.
And as I understand this was not the first time a business at that location closed. The question is where was the support to
sustain the business as touted on our county web site?
I hope I have made that clear as mud? Diane thanks for asking.
Good night Diane.
Diane, how much government help does the public need?
Is the public so helpless that only you elites by and thru government have the ability to direct the needs of the ignorant masses?
Government people do not think "liberty", except only to take our liberty.
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 08, 2012, 07:03:08 AM
Diane, how much government help does the public need?
Is the public so helpless that only you elites by and thru government have the ability to direct the needs of the ignorant masses?
Government people do not think "liberty", except only to take our liberty.
Really Red. My question is, how many years do they have to throw tens of thousands of dollars away onnt something called Elk County Economic Development with nothing getting done before they stop?
The same goes for what I have been mistakenly call Elk County Youth Services. They actually call it Elk County Youth Development. How many tens of thousands do they need to waste on it before they learn?
Where is the youth development in renting a couple of movies. I believe youth development is best left up to the parents to direct. What the heck is youth development to county government? To me it means teaching my child. There are many factors involved in child development. For instance the familys religious beliefs which may include sunday school for the purpose of learning, there is also boy scouts and girl scouts both learning experience. As well as the agriculture groups that are educational. But that would fall under the parents responsibility, not county government.
What is educational or developmental for the children to rent movies for them? Unless they are documentaries.
The county hasn't posted public information on the county web site disclosing public information, so what's the use of paying big gucks for that?
Nothing below this line is based on fact, just guess. But I think it shows something to think about.But back to the cost of Economic Development and Youth Development, let's just
suppose that it cost the county taxpayer a simple number, a simple guess o f $50,000 thousand a year. And knowing that there are less then 3,000 people, so lets assume that 1,000 of those are property owners. Since the web site does not provide that public information and it has not moved into the 21st Century, we will just take a guess. That could be possible $50 less tax on everyones property tax. Why, keep wasting the money if we can't get anything for it.
Is it just because, it was all Elk Konnected, LLC's suggestion to the county commissioners?
And aren't two of the County Commissioners Konnected?
Did Elk konnected, LLC sucessfully run their wellness center? I don't think so!
So, how is it then that Elk Konnected should know how to run Elk County Government's business?
Where else could the county be saving money?
Even if they do maybe, eventually get thousands fro the wind farm is that still a good excuse to waste taxpayers dollars?
Isn't the coffers of the County Government the taxpayers funds no matter where they come from?
Am I Still asking
vile questions Mr. Commissioner?
Quote from: Ross on February 08, 2012, 01:37:01 PM
Isn't the coffers of the County Government the taxpayers funds no matter where they come from?
Yes, but not in the view of some county paid folks. I've seen, first hand, the look of amazement on their faces when that concept was presented. I've heard, first hand, some county officials repeatedly refer to their allocated budget funds as "my money." I've seen, first hand, impulse purchases based primarily on the question, "do we have the money." I've seen interdepartmental greed over taxpayer monies in action. I've seen the ignorance that seems to think that state or federal grant money is 'free money', neglecting that some taxpayer(s) provided it.... therefore it wasn't 'free'.
That, to me, shows that some have no understanding of gravity of 'the public trust', and they should not be in their respective positions.
Sounds like this county needs some changes.
Perhaps some who would consider wasting taxpayers money a no-no.
Perhaps some who would put county business ahead of croynism.
Or any other ism's.
Is there anything spent that you wouldn't consider waste? Especially if others see some of the expenditures as useful ? Is it just a matter in differences in taste? blue VS green?
Quote from: Ross on February 08, 2012, 07:30:46 PM
Sounds like this county needs some changes.
Perhaps some who would consider wasting taxpayers money a no-no.
Perhaps some who would put county business ahead of croynism.
Or any other ism's.
A group of Tax protesters were wounded this morning when a nearby
bridge collapsed into rubble from years and years of neglect.
(http://www.irrmag.com/images/stories/newz/bridgefail.jpg)
The collapse also took down a set of power and telephone lines, knocking out service to nearly 1,000 local homes. "In truth, those lines were ready to fall down on their own," confessed Stu Miller, a county engineer investigating the incident. "We were all kinda surprised they made it this long. They were put up sometime in the 1950s."
The tax protesters, who call themselves "Tax Freedom for Howard" or T.F.H., were holding a rally in the parking lot near the overpass when it collapsed. According to eyewitnesses, John Jacob Rosssinsin, the rally's chief organizer, was in the middle of his speech when the incident occurred. "I believe that taxes, indeed, are the same as stealing from people," said Rosssinsin in his speech. "We need to slim down government, drastically," he continued, and was then interrupted by the overpass' collapse...Boom!
Rosssinsin was hospitalized, along with 12 others, with very minor injuries and released this afternoon. The T.F.H. almost immediately announced their rally would be rescheduled "sometime next week.... [and] no where near any crumbling infrastructure."
City officials downplayed the bridge's failure, attributing it to "increasingly robust traffic patterns... that emerge when you have a thriving economy." "Although this particular collapse is unfortunate," said Howard Mayor, the Mayor of Howard, "as are all the bridges that collapse in our fair city each year, we have to recognize this as a symptom, no matter how terrible, of our city's continued commitment to strong economic growth, a low tax environment, and increased jobs for our hard working citizens."
County engineer Miller, meanwhile, admitted he felt "horrible" over what happened. "Me and the other two guys in the engineering department, we feel just awful about what happened," Miller said. "And when they get back from their mandatory furlough in April, you can bet we're gonna go out and do some inspections of the bridges that are still left!"
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 08, 2012, 10:26:27 PM
Is there anything spent that you wouldn't consider waste? Especially if others see some of the expenditures as useful ? Is it just a matter in differences in taste? blue VS green?
I wasn't talking about what isn't wasted now was I?
But as I asked how many ton's of road gravel could be ppurchased with all that money to repair county roads?
I could also ask county machinery that is broken'down be repaired with that money?
Or couldn't county debt be paid down with that money?
What others seeingthe expenditures as useful are you talking about?
Would that be the five or 6 members of Elk Konnected, LLC that you are refering to?
I think Warph made a very good point in his post directly above this one, don't you?I believe we need people as commissioners that are biased towards the entire county instead of one little area.
Diane, do you know what Economic Development actually is?
One of our county commissioners actually said at a County Commissioners Meeting that he had no clue, after explaining how difficult it is to explain and that is very complicated, do you understand those remarks?
And then neither of the other county commissioners offered an explanation.
Go figure?
To many elected people, economic growth means to spend government money.
It's Keynesian economics that's promoted and taught in the government schools and that's how most of us are geared.
Indoctrination in the government schools keeps on working.
Is it any wonder that we are losing our liberty?
Personally Red, because a county commissioner said it is very difficult to explain how Economic Development works and that it is very complex, but yet he said he had no clue what it meant, that makes me think it is very simple.
The term Economic Development apparently means a way of pulling the wool over the taxpayers eyes. Pretty simple, huh? Especially since we live in an agricultural county with a very small population?
But you know what Red, that is especially what makes Elk County so special and unique. The agricultural and small population. I did Not mean the attempt of pulling the wool over taxpayers eyes. I personally think we have the very best of quality of life right here, right now. I durn sure wouldn't move back to the city voluntarily.
That's why I have asked Elk Konnected, LLC how and what methods they intend to use to improve the quality of life in our great county. But, I'm sure you notice the lack of answers.
I would almost be willing to bet, if I were a betting man, that certain family or landowners will be asking for property tax breaks and / or county monies to start up their little tourism trail ride, if that is what it is. Most likely they don't need county welfare, either. But we can't get any answers from our elected officials. Is it possibly another one of those beggar your neighbor things, just asking?
Do you suppose an artisian well and a wind farm are worthy of tourism and county taxpayer money? After all there is a free view of a windmill farm site just a few miles away to go see isn't there?
Why would our County Economic Development employee keep her activities secret from the people she works for, that being you and me and all the other taxpayers.? Could it be something associated with Elk Konnected, LLC and the County Commissioners themselves that are associated with Elk Konnected, LLC?
Do you suppose that is why neither the County Commissioners associated with Elk Konnected, LLC or Elk Konnected, LLC itself will respond in a responsible manner? Do you suppose that's why they won't have an open and honest dialog?
Why did our Elk County Economic Development person say who ever she is working with wants to keep the project secret in case they fail? Who authorized her to enter such a verbal contract on behalf of the taxpayers?
The only thing I would assume, that would remain confidential would be the company's finances if our employee were priviledge to know that information. The type of project and the party she is working with should not be confidential or secret information from the people that employee her, in my opinion, what do you think?
Would any of the Elk County Commissioners please and truthfully explain this? Everyone know's you are reading this and there is nothing secret about this thread. One of you have even posted to this thread, so please come back and clear the air.
Thank's.
Quote from: Ross on February 09, 2012, 09:32:45 AM
I would almost be willing to bet, if I were a betting man, that certain family or landowners will be asking for property tax breaks and / or county monies to start up their little tourism trail ride, if that is what it is. Most likely they don't need county welfare, either. But we can't get any answers from our elected officials. Is it possibly another one of those beggar your neighbor things, just asking?
You apparently haven't heard.... our county commission is about to enact a new 'tax incentive' program that will provide property tax rebates for 5 to 10 years to anyone who spends more than $10,000 to build/improve their property. Ms Hendricks is leading this effort which is closely modeled after the Meade County plan that Mr Woodbury of Public Squares is involved with. I was told, however, that some would like to see the qualification threshold raised to $20,000 minimum.
Now I wonder.... who do we know that might be in a position to spend that much on new improvements. Just imagine if a private company could get a grant from the ECCEF for $20,000+ to build something new (like a fitness center or tourism operation or RV Park) and then
evade avoid the local property taxes through a program like the one being proposed! Surely no one in Elk County would do something like that. Why, that would be almost as underhanded as an elected official using their government position to solicit & secure a wind farm that resulted in the official's family (and personal trust) & friends receiving thousands in private lease payments for 20 years! Or voting to give taxpayer monies to fund the operations of their private LLC.
Wow, Gomer! What a racket!
That would be... almost... vile.
Much more vile then my asking questions, don't ya think?
Sounds like a beggar they neighbor program to me.
Isn't it time for people to speak out?
To me it sounds like an underhanded way to grab the supposed PILOT the county is to get.
But hey, shouldn't the county have already recieved the start-up funds?
Maybe we will never see a dime?
But there sure appears to be some coniving going on, in my opinion.
Where the County Commissioners with the answers?
Are they hiding out?
We know they are reading this?
Do I know what economic development is ? Of course! But I'd bore most of you to death talking in detail about advertizing what an area has to offer, working with realtors to push the availability of commercial real estate, the availability of "incubation industry" parks, tax incentives for big companies to come here, pushing our infrastructure and the availability of heavy industry's needs....water power, etc. We got Amazon and Walmart that way plus Astra Zeneca and several others who expanded rather than leave. We have a big enough population base to actually help a potential new donut shop owner locate a place without one in a particular market area, and then help them find or offer a small business loan at a low rate to get them started...and help with all the paper work for first timers who might not even know what a gross income tax receipt is, let alone figure out the paper work for filing it. Does it all promise success? Of course not, but the potential of winning big certainly does exist.It's all intertwined. Heck,now areas even put themselves on face book! ;)
That's nice Diane for a heavily populated area like where you live. You probably have more people in your neighborhood than Elk County has in the whole county. See the difference. We don't even have a city per se. Just very small towns.
None of what you say applies here just as nothing in Denver as far as Economic Development applies in this agricultural county.
The secrets that are being kept from the taxpayers in my opinion is totally wrong and unethical as well.
Our county is being divided by certain elements that are most possibly responsible for it. And the games continue as long as so called leadership plays the game, don't ya think? How are the actions of the elected officials suppose to pull the communities and peoples together by running secret operations through the use of Economic Development? Just how?
I'd suggest you read the last several previous post's to understand what I'm talking about.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 09, 2012, 03:32:54 PM
...Of course! But I'd bore most of you to death talking in detail about advertizing what an area has to offer, working with realtors to push the availability of commercial real estate, the availability of "incubation industry" parks, tax incentives for big companies to come here, pushing our infrastructure and the availability of heavy industry's needs....water power, etc...
Industry & infrastructure. Hmmmm. Sooooo... believing that a bunch of new housing is a priority, building a new elementary school on the highway, having a farmers market on Wednesday afternoons at the courthouse, having that courthouse designated as an historical site then borrowing to put a $300,000 roof on it, providing a water slide at a town fair at taxpayers expense, sponsoring a small exercise center and having privately facilitated Kommunity Konversations won't rate too highly as means to grow the local economy? Wow, who woulda thunk.
Quote from: Patriot on February 09, 2012, 06:51:02 PM
sponsoring a small exercise center and having privately facilitated Kommunity Konversations won't rate too highly as means to grow the local economy? Wow, who woulda thunk.
Especially since Elk Konnected, LLC failed at running it and sold it to someone who could.
OK, so are you going to pay taps for the whole area and give up? I'll sell you some tumble weeds to roll down the street! ;D ;D ;D
I may be old fashioned, but the ends are not justified by the means... especially when the means involve deceit, self aggrandizement, appearance of impropriety, manipulation, abuse of public trust, and/or misuse of position.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 09, 2012, 10:48:57 PM
OK, so are you going to pay taps for the whole area and give up? I'll sell you some tumble weeds to roll down the street! ;D ;D ;D
No taps, this is a great place to live.I guess you missed my statement that we have a dreat way of life here, because we are an agricultural county with a very small population. It's like a dream come true. We don't need the behavior of a major city. We just need to control the county spending and waste, to lower taxes.
No single little group of people, need special property tax breaks at the expense of everyone else.
"Beggar they Neighbor"No single little group of people, needs to tell everyone else in the county what they need to do or how to think.
We do have governing bodies that need to listen to the people or be voted out. Simple, HUH?
It just dawned on me, sounds like what people are saying about the Federal Government, doesn't it?
Only difference is we are only about 2880 people.
We only need the basic's from our government.
Do we need a $10,000,000 grade school for 150 children?
Do we need the conflict between the town of Howard and the rest of the county?
I don't think so.
Is the conflict really between Howard and the rest of the county?
I think so?
Why?
Here is a couple of examples!
$10,000,000 School Bond referedum 75% of Howard voted for it and wanted it to include a community storm shelter.
Why a community storm shelter in a scchool bond?
75% of the county voted against the school?
Why you may ask?
Do we really need a Taj Mahal of a school campus for about 300 children, K-12.
So, they would not have to buy their own shelter and the every one in the county would pay for it for them, is that possibly the reason for the school bond? They still haven't built the shelter for their own community, why if they really need one?
Why build one outside of the city limits where the school is?
Why has the community of Howard wanted to move it's city limits to encompass the school grounds?
Doesn't Howard have enough property within their city limits to maintain and keep them busy?
Just look at that eyesore of an abandoned old high school in Howard, what a safty hazard for that communities children?
Children do like to explore stuff like that?
I feel Howard should just leave their city limits where it is and take care of what is inside it.
I read in the newspaper that what I remember was the Howard Chamber of Commerce, a wonderment of getting money from the County's PILOT. It seems to me everything point's to Howard and I am sure a lot of other people feel the same way.
Rather than lump the entire Howard community together, Ross, let's consider that perhaps your observations are really the result of the actions and agendas of a few influential people who seek to ultimately pad their own resumes and create a legacy for themselves. After all, somebody might someday name that new school after them. The storm shelter might have been just a community lollipop. 8)
The sad part is the blind gullibility of the greater population who should know better.
We, the unwilling, led by the unqualified, have accomplished the unlikely for so long, with so little, that we now attempt the impossible with almost nothing.
You know Ross ,when you get right down to it, people like you shouldn't count! Or me either. We are not trying to find or hold down a job to live on. You moved there with pension and SS in hand. I have mine too. You know what you can spend each month and assume there will be somewhere to spend it. But when things are on a down slope we can't assume that!
When we were out there for a week in 1996 for Grandma Dessie's funeral, we stayed at the Silver Bell as there was no place closer and had a hard time finding places in the area to eat because no one place was open every day. It wasn't very hospitable or convenient at all! Howard didn't even have a drug store then.
You keep saying "a few people" this or that, but aren't they the back bone of your community? They have invested the time and money to keep your communities going!
Outright dishonesty in Gov't is one thing, but support and thanks could go a long way for those who are trying to keep your communities alive, if not growing. Not every idea works every time but if one gives up trying, then what?
As far as where I live, it's a little village inside our small city.There are a couple hundred of us with our own little shopping center with all the necessary basics. We all know each other. We are separated from the rest of Newark by one of the UD campuses. But we benefit from all the city services. It's small town living at it's best. I could go for weeks and never leave here.
As far as some of your other concerns, they have been addressed many times, some probably before your time here. They failed, or were voted down and other choices were made that reflected the view of THE MAJORITY, not just one group or some who think they know it all and think everyone else is stupid, blind, sheeple or whatever the insult of the day is. ( But they would have people follow themselves like sheep, no problem.) People will think for themselves!
You obviously like the area, but don't seem to acknowledge that there are numbers of people who are busy with their lives out there and are not on the forum, but do have opinions and do vote. Are you assuming they all think as you do in all things?
Do you have some positive suggestions that could actually be implemented to grow the area?
It's not like the old west that when the gold played out the town up and moved on like Cripple Creek and others did.....Or is it?
Diane I live just SE of longton and I would not want to live anywhere else. I don't like what I see going on in our local Gov. but I will survive if the property taxes and 2 inch rock they dumped on our road don't kill me.
A wise fellow and I were having a discussion about some of the things spoken of on this thread and he said the worst and best thing about Longton were..............worst thing is that it is too close to Independence.The best thing is that it is close to Independence.
Elk County has some good solid mom and pop businesses. That seems to be about all this county can support. Anything larger has a trained labor problem without importing labor from outside. We have a low population to support them.
I love Elk County and the people in it.
I know what you mean about that chicken and egg thing with labor and business. Do you think the little towns can continue to survive as they are? I like your area too, but I think I'm too old and spoiled now to handle the water problems. I'd rather live out in the country there than in town... or maybe next door to Toots! ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
You know Ross ,when you get right down to it, people like you shouldn't count! Or me either.
Diane that is just plain poppycock!
I pay my taxes in this county there for I count.
Your right about yourself --- you don't pay taxes here.
Therefore, it is my County Government and not your county government.
Now I did not mean that one little bit ugly. But it appeared to me you were saying I had no right to speak out about county government actions as being wasteful of taxpayers and being more or less directed by Elk Konnected, LLC for the benefit of just a small handful of county residents and not to the benefit of all taxpayers.
Plain and simple, no twisting of the words.
But that is how I see it, plain and simple.
My simple opinion and I have no obejections to others having their opinions.
I stand partially corrected by Patriot in his post second above yours. And I appreciate that.
And Hummpy I agree with you and I like your little town of Longton, too.
We all want what is best for Elk County and each and every person living here.
Not just the few.
My poppy cock comment had nothing to do with taxes or having a voice, but being in a different category of people and until I sold my part of the family property I did pay taxes out there. You have portable income that will go with you no matter where you choose to live. Employed people there who depend or their customers or jobs ,or want jobs are in a different situation, that's all. Not picking on you, honest. :-*
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
You keep saying "a few people" this or that, but aren't they the back bone of your community? They have invested the time and money to keep your communities going!
It's a weak back bone if it is. They appear to be only interested in themselves. Suggested by keeping things that should be public knowledge, seceret. Also by publishing letters written by themselves to themselves patting their selves on the back.
The back bone of this county is every person in it, unless they want to be abused or they want there county government to be abused. That my opinion. Also the word leadership is loosley used. Good leaders will leave it of to the people they work for, not lord it over them.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
Are you assuming they all think as you do in all things?
Do you have some positive suggestions that could actually be implemented to grow the area?
No Diane I do not think any two people think alike. And if they think like I do, I pitty them, LOL.
No, Diane I have no suggestion for growth for this area. This is farm country with less than 3,000 people and very little housing.
I would guess there are plenty of that 3000 population are either retired or going to grade/middle/highschool and the rest work in Independence or Winfield. I know of at least two that work in Wichita. So where would you find any kind of work force in Elk County?
None of which is conducive to luring a large manufacturing company or a medium sized or even a small one here.
What does farm country look like to you?
I support the local merchants as much as possible.
I feel my money should stay at home.
So, I do contribute to the local economy.
But two years of
great expenses for Economic Development has done absolutly nothing to change that Economic conditions in this county.
What does Our Economic Development have to offer. Nothing.
Oh, wait a minute they can steer you to other gov't agency's for help.
Just look on our County web site. nothing, zip. Unless something got put up there today.
But is what is going on Economic Development for the County or just a few? I think the later.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 02:03:58 PM
My poppy cock comment had nothing to do with taxes or having a voice, but being in a different category of people and until I sold my part of the family property I did pay taxes out there. You have portable income that will go with you no matter where you choose to live. Employed people there who depend or their customers or jobs ,or want jobs are in a different situation, that's all. Not picking on you, honest. :-*
I wasn't offended Diane.
It's just that my finances have nothing to do with the politics in this county.
I have no plans of moving from here, much the same as all the other retired folks that live here.
My income is just as fixed as the oother retires in this county.
So my source of income is irrelevant, I hope you understand that.
So rest assured I was not offended, just pointing out that it does not apply.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
When we were out there for a week in 1996 for Grandma Dessie's funeral, we stayed at the Silver Bell as there was no place closer and had a hard time finding places in the area to eat because no one place was open every day. It wasn't very hospitable or convenient at all! Howard didn't even have a drug store then.
Diane, I am only going to pick on this one part of your post. Howard has had a drug store for many, many years. I can tell you that I worked for Batson's Drug Store in 1977, 1978, and 1979. The drug store was here when I was in high school and well before that. I wish I could tell you how long it has been here. Anyway, to get to my point, when you were here in 1996, there certainly was a drugstore here. The same one, Batson's Drug Store. I don't know when Julie and Patrick Perkins took it over from John Batson, but it was here when you were here in 1996. I don't know why you didn't get to visit it. It is and was open Monday through Saturday. Could you maybe just have missed seeing it and visiting it?
This thread is just like the soap opera I used to watch back in college. You could stop watching for months then watch for 5 seconds and realized you haven't missed a thing!
"But two years of great expenses for Economic Development has done absolutly nothing to change that Economic conditions in this county.
What does Our Economic Development have to offer. Nothing.
Oh, wait a minute they can steer you to other gov't agency's for help."
Because of the Elk County Economic Development Department, this side of the county has a grocery store. The economic Development department was a huge help in getting that ball rolling. They gave me contacts I needed, people to talk to and ideas I hadn't thought of. Quad county, another tax sucking entity (in your opionion) and Jack Newcombe were also very instrumental in the project. Some may not think a grocery store in Howard helps the whole community. I see it very differently. Every business in Elk county helps the whole community in the sales tax that it collects. !% of all sales goes directly to the county for local services. If that isn't Economic Development I don't know what is. As far as you thinking you should know everything and everyone that the Econ Dev dept is working with. I disagree. It is personal business when working on these types of endeavors. Certainly not everyone else's business. If they were handing out blank checks to anyone who wanted to start a business, then I would agree with you, but that is not happening. They are simply giving people the tools they need.
You say you like this community the way it is but do you not see it is slipping away? Every year our population drops more and more. New ideas are the only way we will be able to maintain the services were have now. Trying and testing new options are critical at this point!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 10, 2012, 11:49:28 AM
Do you have some positive suggestions that could actually be implemented to grow the area?
People who just complain about the problems are part of the problem. They are certainly not offering any soutions.
We moved back in 1995. At that time we were open on Saturdays until noon. After a my first child in 1997, the pharmacy was no longer open on Saturdays until we put in the grocery store in 2006.
Awesome response Julie.
Quote from: jprxmkt link=topic=11780.msg183711#msg1more then I do.83711 date=1328939351
People who just complain about the problems are part of the problem. They are certainly not offering any soutions.
Since when is asking legitiment questions complaining?
Since when is asking legitiment questions, vile?
What solutions does Elk konnected, LLC have to offer.
I have yet to see Elk Konnected, LLC accomplish anything other then to ask for money,
from our county government and our school district,
so they can pay their dues to a Wichita County LLC.
That is simply exporting Elk County taxpayers dollars out of Elk County.
Isn't that economic development for Wichita County?
It sure doesn't bring money into Elk County,
but exports it to Wichita, County.
It appears to me that Elk Konnected, LLC does more complaining then anyone. They even mad it public.
Elk Konnected, LLC in a round about way siad they didn't like it ,
that a couple of community's wanted to run their own affairs
and that is why they started up.
Isn't that complaining?
The problem's, I see being discussed on this thread is
if our County Government believes in transparency and
if Elk Konnected, LLC is running our County Government. There doesn't appear to be a line drawn between the two. But neither one, seem to want to enter into an honest, open dialog.
Elk Konnected is
mandated by the people they pay dues to,
to beg money, from our school district and our county government on a yearly basis. And two out of three Elk County Commissioners are Elk Konnected, LLC so Elk Konnected, LLC won't be refused the money will they?
According to the attidue by at least one County Commissioners at a County Commissioners meeting,
apparently if a person doesn't volunteer to work for Elk Konnected, LLC
whatever good they do for any of our neighbors here in Elk County
and not advertised as doing it for Elk Konnected, LLC doesn't count.
Julie, I happen to like your store and I spend considerable money there.
and considerably more then what comes out of my wallet, I bring my medical insurance in with me almost every time, I walk through the door which pays 80%. And I happen to enjoy the service, I recieve and I lkie your employees. I really wouldn't want to go anywhere else, I enjoy the neighborly atmosphere in your store.
But the pproblems people complain about should be addressed with something other than a County Commissioner changing the subject to, "I will
Defend Elk Konnected, LLC", during a county commissioner's meeting.
Also, the only thing that our county commissioner could say was he had no clue what economic development is. Our tax paid employee said she was working on a secret project.
I have simply asked who authorized her to enter into a secret contract with anyone?
As I also said, the project she is working on and who she is working with is not a question of confidential information.
The companies financial information would be confidential or secret, but no one appears to be asking that.
To say that who and what she is working on issecret would be like saying your ownership of the drug store is secret or confidential information or the fact the Mr. Black owns one of the the Vetrinary Clinics in Howard or to say who own's the hardware store is secret.
By Economic Development just providing information on the county web site saying:
"This office is dedicated to improving the quality of life for the citizen of which can be found by a simple s of Elk County. The focus of this office is to attract new business and retain existing business." doesn't accomplish anything.
Listing the web pages of other agencies for business to go to for help, all of which can be found by a grade school student with a simple google search, is doing nothing.
By telling people where to spend the night, where to buy groceries, where to buy fuel that's not economic development. That is just a simple courtesy.
Do we have so many business in Elk County that our economic development employee cann't make it around to all of them and introduce herself and explain what our county has to offer to help them with their business?
Two years and really nothing, except the present secret.
Do you pay your employees to keep secrets concerning your business secret from you?
If an employee of your's was not to be found with in the shop for a couple of hours while being paid and you asked them where they were, would you accept an answer of that's secret?
I don't think so?
Elk County Economic Development is an employee of all the taxpayers of Elk County.
Consequently, the taxpayers that pay the wages of the Elk County Government don't pay their employees to keeep secrets from them either.
There is absolutly no excuse for this type of secret. Who she is working with, (if she is really working with someone), and what the project is, (if there really is one) these are not a matters of confidetiallity.
Again, nobody is asking for confidential financial information.
Is it that Elk Konnected, LLC and our local government do not believe intransparency in government?
In my opinion, Our county government definitly needs change in much the same way our federal government needs change.
And I think or at least hope and pray that both change for the best. Governments that are leaner and more responsible to all of it's citizens and more conservative.
Thanks Janet and Julie! My memory is either faulty or it just happened to be that the drug store was closed. I don't remember if it was a Saturday afternoon or not. It's all starting to run together with several other trips we made a couple of years before. I remember on one trip, I thought it was that one, we had to go somewhere else to find a drug store. Was there a period of time when it was closed somewhere in that time frame? Trying to keep up the places to eat was the hard part! Was poplar Pizza there then? (1995)
Why is government in the eceonomic development busineess? Makes no sense whatsoever - at least in this country
if government was doing what it ought to be. Our liberty is more important than government helping businesses,
whether the business is successful or not. Someone will fill the need without the government.
Recently, there were comments against the government providing free cell phones to people. There ought to be just
as many, or more commets against the economic development providing free stuff to someone forming a business.
Do we want a free country or do we prefer to have another new government supported business in Howard, Kansas?
Red, you have the freedom to not use any of those services.
Diane, you are stealing the liberty of Americans by and thru the government to provide those services.
Stand for the founding fathers. Think Liberty! Not European!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 11, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
Red, you have the freedom to not use any of those services.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 11, 2012, 05:33:41 PM
Red, you have the freedom to not use any of those services.
Diane, I fear you miss his point?
He asked why should we pay for it.
Who are we?
The taxpayer, that's who?
Especially here where we have the highest taxes in Kansas.
We are number one on that list.
But besides that it is usually the wealthiest that are there with their hands out?
Wanting the poorest to pay their way?
What Red said was easily understood.
I must ask what 1995 has to do with today and the political situation today?
This situation is not taking place in 1995. It is a different age and time.
Elk Konnected, LLC did not exist and they did not have people on the County Commissioners Board, did they?
Economic Development was originally started in theory by Harry S Truman.
"Economic development generally refers to the sustained, concerted actions of policymakers and communities that promote the standard of living and economic health of a specific area. Such actions can involve multiple areas including development of human capital, critical infrastructure, regional competitiveness, environmental sustainability, social inclusion, health, safety, literacy, and other initiatives. "
( refer to Google.com it is your friend and sometimes disingeneous, take with a grain of salt...just like forums)
That being said, I am not so sure that your county is not jumping on the bandwagon of free monies from the Gov.
And, this is a BIG IF: one can prove that, then you have just hired a Master Chef instead of having your friends host a dinner.
(Not the best analogy).
The comissioners may have a say in the monetary request/decisions of the ED, however I see there may be a conflict of interest
not in the request of said monies, however in the appropriations of monies by two of the ED's supporters.
If what Ross states is true, and just not computer trolling...then one may need to look past the 'good ole boy'/status quo humdrum of business and request that the ED not be affiliated with Elk Konnected in any way.
She may not be able to do her job of which she was paid to do by the County, without the interference of EK
Ie: (here's $1000 to help our county, just make sure it's stays in Howard!)
That is what Ross et al are claiming.
I can understand that, knowing our SE Kansas shennanigans, however Ross....you had better ask for more clarification from those involved.....oh wait....
they don't want to talk openly......<<<<palm face!>>>>
ready to re-elect
Hi Ready,
Good to hear from youya chillin like the rest of us? LOL
By the way,I stood corrected by Patriot about the Howard remark.
Seems there is more to it then I know about.
I do make errors.
If economic development is ran by our county government as it is, I don't see where they have any right to keep secrets from us as to who and what projects they are authorizing. If the County Commissioners are infact authorizing secret business in our name's The names being each and every taxpayer that pays their salaries.
Take care Ready.
Ross, I was just poking fun ,but seriously, do some of us who have bigger incomes and pay more in taxes get to use more or better services? Does it really need to come to that?
When I use a toll road, we all pay the same amount in the same sized vehicle. Who paid what in taxes doesn't matter, plus I have the option of using some other road and not paying the toll at all.
One of the things that is being bantered around politically is the elimination of taxes as we know them and making everything based on user fees instead. For some that would be a joy, for others a royal pain in the neck. Pay to go to the park and hope enough users go to keep it up. Everything would be private. Will I have to pay a fee to drive into another state? How about the "Virginia state access fee"...gets me nothing but permission to enter. Everything else costs money.
All roads would have tolls...don't use it, don't pay.
No kids in school? No school tax! Very expensive user fees only. Every school could charge whatever they want. Poor families...poor schools, if at all. Out of work? Too bad. Hope your church will take care of you!
Sometimes we better be careful what we wish for!
And therein lies our delimma (or Elk County):
All of them are paying for something and getting what?....no infrastructure upgrade; a couple of movies for a few kids; some other questionable proprieties....2 work out like the store, and 10 are just a party for some.
This is not across the board, Dianne. This is subjectably aimed at a select. See the difference?
And yet, ALL are paying.
ready
Yes Ross, am chillin out! lol
Off to bed, so y'all play nice now!
ready....and out.
Yer jus too good Ready.
Have a good night.
Why don't the commissioners have the courage to defend the taxpayers' rights and property
instead taking the side of the corporations and organizations by doling out the dealls and money?
EK can do a lot of good deeds with your money while the Republicans heap praise upon them and cheer for them.
Marxism is live and well in this country and the Republicans will not raise hardly any opposition to their own party's
participation therein.
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 12, 2012, 08:05:34 AM
Why don't the commissioners have the courage to defend the taxpayers' rights and property
instead taking the side of the corporations and organizations by doling out the dealls and money?
Perhaps, Because two out of three County Commissioners are Elk konnected, LLC.
So whenever the LLC goes before the county commissioners they are going before two of their own members, and it only takes two county commissioner votes to approve a request for money?
No conflict of interest there, huh?
Therefore, No courage required!
Is there? :)
So everything in Elk county was just fine with no problems until EK tried to get organized ? That's not what I remember.
Marxism? How so? Your commissioners were elected by the majority and will eventually stand election again. Then what? Who would want to run with such a history? I
Influence peddling and what seems to be unfair action? Welcome to American politics! The fellow who didn't get what he wanted will always yell "unfair." It happens everywhere. Sometimes ya will get what you want and sometimes the other guy does.
Big business and powerful and/or popular people will always have an edge. Even going out to bid on a project only produces one "winner." Does the loser whine and complain and fuss until everyone is sick of it, or does he go on to the next project? Unless one is careful a stalemate will exist so nothing ever happens and nothing ever moves forward. Is that healthy for any community? Is that a happy content atmosphere? I don't know, but I doubt it.
Well I suppose by you saying all that, that you wouldn't mind paying more, taxes just to keep people with money happy?
No matter what they use your money for.
Is that right?
All they have to do is start an LLC and you would gladly hand over your money for taxes to support their cause,
whether it is right or wrong.
I totally understand.
And that is alright with me, in the county you live in.
QuoteBig business and powerful and/or popular people will always have an edge.
Again, Diane, therien lies the problem.
Yes, they were elected by the people and how many years ago? Doug Ritz is the newest, and by my value, he may not someone I wish to invite to a party, however I feel he is the most in tune with the needs of the people (refer to ground up....infrastructure, procedures, maintentence....and yet his voice i fear may be lost with those that are about big business and popular people.
Give me an a**hole
without an agenda that gets things done for ALL of the area, or get rid or the ones that want to make everyone happy.
This area was built on a**holes without an agenda, and now it has turned to a slight of hand. Don't get get me wrong....mistakes have been made. However somewhere in the political area, it went awry.
And that is what I fear: politics for the better of a government, not of the people.
And, I reiterate: It is their monies being flown to the wind for whom? Re-elect? Is it too late, and wil anyone run against a well known patrioarch?
ready and waiting
You want proof? I am living in it everyday
So then it's all over but the official death knell for the area.The kids will slowly move away, the old folk will slowly die off and only a few with portable incomes might move in. That's a shame. I understand, I really do. A council of only three is tiny!
I remember the towns back in the 50's. But there is no John Wayne type now to ride in and square things up and right the perceived wrongs.
Why are the "popular people" popular? how so?
I am interested in your opinion. If things were somehow different, list the things, physical things, that need fixing. Roads? bridges? Water works? (Didn't the country land owners used to keep their own ditches cleaned out in lieu of some of their taxes? Whatever happened to that?)
It's impossible to keep everyone happy, it's true but isn't it supposed to be the benefit goes to the majority, most of the time? But how does one figure out who the majority is and what they want? People don't seem to respond to surveys and the results aren't trusted anyway. Your average people won't go to meetings and risk saying much for fear of perceived retribution, name calling and threats. Ya can't risk trying to go on someone's property to talk to them for fear of being shot. So what can you do.? The" go away and leave me alones," who don't care about the future of any of the little towns, against the few forward thinkers who wonder what things will be like in 10 or 20 years? So after they all cancel each other out, the net gain is zero....or a clever person or people move into the vacuum and have it all their way! I can't fix any of it, I wish I could. It makes me sad.
Well said Ready.
Why do you think we have people demonstrating across this country, Diane?
They have many complaints, one being the banks ripping us off.
Just like in Greece the common people are rioting and setting Athens on fire as we speak.
They have had enough They don't want to bail out the banks for the rich, by piling it on their own backs.
They feel they have paid plenty already.
The protesters say ordinary Greeks have swallowed enough
spending cuts and tax hikes in an effort to ease the debt burden. - Reuters
Should they continue to tolerate the shades of grey that lie between order and chaos, innocence and guilt, right and wrong,
or go with the truth?
Which would you choose?
Diane it sounds as if you are kin / to someone involved with Elk Konnected, LLC, so I feel compeled to ask, are you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
So then it's all over but the official death knell for the area. The kids will slowly move away, the old folk will slowly die off and only a few with portable incomes might move in. That's a shame. I understand, I really do. A council of only three is tiny!
Who says all the kids will move away?
How many have done that and returned?
Where are your facts?
We do live in a lightly populated county, that's why only two councilmen and one councilwoman.
The arguments you provide sound just like Elk Konnected, LLC but backed by nothing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
I remember the towns back in the 50's. But there is no John Wayne type now to ride in and square things up and right the perceived wrongs.
This ain't the fifties or the sixties. We are now 12 years into the 21st Century.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
Why are the "popular people" popular? how so?
Who is popular and popular with who?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
I am interested in your opinion. If things were somehow different, list the things, physical things, that need fixing. Roads? bridges? Water works? (Didn't the country land owners used to keep their own ditches cleaned out in lieu of some of their taxes? Whatever happened to that?)
There again, I don't know what use to be done in the fifties about ditches and this is not that time.
An honest government
not ran by an LLC would certainly be nice.
Perhaps they will be voted out in November, but I fear they are doing the things they want done before then.
My hopes are that who ever runs and win overturns any bad changes.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
It's impossible to keep everyone happy, it's true but isn't it supposed to be the benefit goes to the majority, most of the time? But how does one figure out who the majority is and what they want?
We know who the minority are and we know they have two seats out of three on the County Commissioners Board for now.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
People don't seem to respond to surveys and the results aren't trusted anyway. Your average people won't go to meetings and risk saying much for fear of perceived retribution, name calling and threats.
Most people won't respond to rigged survey's or meetings that are designed to control what they are allowed to say or think? Would you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
Ya can't risk trying to go on someone's property to talk to them for fear of being shot. So what can you do.? The" go away and leave me alones," who don't care about the future of any of the little towns, against the few forward thinkers who wonder what things will be like in 10 or 20 years?
Where did that come from? The few across the country that don't want to be included in the country's census?
And forward thinkers, who are they? Are you talking of Elk Konnected, LLC's Visionaries?
What visions do they have? They won't say? They won't come out of hiding, that is if they exist?
They won't have an honest open dialog, will they? Just go back and read about the monies they did address, do you see any truth there?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2012, 06:51:46 PM
So after they all cancel each other out, the net gain is zero....or a clever person or people move into the vacuum and have it all their way! I can't fix any of it, I wish I could. It makes me sad.
Where do you get these ideas?
There is no canceling out, there is change, hopefully for the better of everyone in Elk County.
Diane, I believe the Greek have provided an answer to the questions of popularity and wealthy that you have raised, check it out. Sounds like piss poor economic development happened. Doesn't that resemble our economic development? Give taxpayers money to the wealthy and give the taxpayer more debt. Government interference in free enterprise, not good for the taxpayer is it?
Greek citizens may veto austerity plan
ByConstantine von Hoffman
(MoneyWatch) Early Monday, while the Greek Parliament approved budget cuts, Greek citizens were proving that the vote -- and the government -- may be irrelevant.
Before the vote to enact harsh new austerity measures, Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos said, "Vandalisms, violence and destruction have no place in a democratic country and won't be tolerated."
Unfortunately no one seemed to have told the citizenry about this. In Athens, 34 buildings were burned and black-masked protesters battled police in front of Parliament.
Violence was also reported from the tourist islands of Corfu and Crete to the northern city of Thessaloniki and in towns across central Greece.
Who in that country is popular now?
Who in that country is rich now?
These people driven to the curb by the popular and rich and their overspending are not going to remain civil now are they?
They couldn't care less about the popular politicians democracy could they?
They have been abused by the rich and popular by those peoples over spending and now those same people are worried about their wealth, can't you see that?
The people on the curb couldn't care less about the wealthy's popularity and wealth either, could they?
Those wealthy are about to loose that wealth the way it looks to me.
Do you think it can't happen here in our country?
Protest across the country have already started, haven't they?
I'd like to see our county kick aside the popular attitude and the interference of a self grandious group and make our county as safe as possible from any kind of financial default and to take an interest in the county as a whole. Not a part of the county over here and a part over there. But the whole county and everyone in it.
If the self grandios think they deserve something better take it to the people via the proper channels. If it involves voting on it by their own people, forget it and put it on the ballot. That would be the ethical thing to do.
Ask the people on the November ballot if they want to continue paying Elk Konnected's, LLC's dues to be members of Public Squares Communities, LLC. Both being privately owned companies meaning neither one is a non-provit company.
Now that would be a poll worth taking and maybe not manipulated.
What do you think the vote might be?
My guess and yes it is only a guess, the answer would be a resounding NO.
So do you think Elk Konnected, LLC would actually ask the taxpayers to vote on an issue like this?
Hell NO they wouldn't.
So if they won't put it on the ballot, won't they have effectively answered the question of the fact that taxpayers should not pay a privately owned companies dues? And also the question of their popularity as you seem to think they are?
But, do I expect any ethical moves concerning these matters. NO!
Just my opinion and my thoughts on this continuing subject.
The money is not your's (the public's/voters') or their's (commissioners') to give and thus democracy is not the answer except for their standing on the ballot in upcoming election.
Why not clean house by voting them out of office? That way, hopefully you've elected good people who will represent the public and not to allow the EK bunch to get their hands on folks' money by and thru government.
It's past time that Republicans stand for liberty - but will they ever ?
So the only possible way I could come up with my own independent ideas is to be related to someone you are opposed to? Sorry, not so!
What I know is what I read from the few of you who write on here, both pro and con. You all aren't by any means the majority of Elk County, nor were you elected to represent anybody.
You are certainly entitled to your opinions. But I suspect there are people who do enjoy the outdoor films and such, as I know that people do go to them. Aren't they tax payers too? Do you really think your neighbors are too dumb to know what's good for them and you should speak for all of them? I don't. It takes all kinds of people to make up a healthy community and your area and little towns started slipping long before your current set of commissioners were elected. That's just the way it is. But some loyal opposition is a good thing too!
I happen to think it's nice that someone is trying to do something to turn things around a bit.
As far as Gov't is concerned, I personally think it has a responsibility to try to produce a climate where private industry can thrive...but that's just me. It isn't always successful, I know.
As far as where do I get my facts? The same place anybody can. Look 'em up and compare several years to see the trends.
(http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s320x320/404528_10150577563253820_290477628819_8672344_1405223866_n.jpg)
That's a good one!
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 13, 2012, 09:35:22 AM
Why not clean house by voting them out of office?
Red,
That's exactly what I am hoping for?
We just need people in the county to realise they have the power to control their county commissioners by sending them a message at election time.
That is what the thread has turned into.
Trying to get information out to the people about what is happening in this county.
Also that
lollipops are not going to make the county into something it is not.
So who's going to run? So what is not considered a lollipop?..I know what is, but not what isn't. What kind of "doable" platform would someone need to win... and I do mean specifics.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 13, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
So who's going to run? So what is not considered a lollipop?..I know what is, but not what isn't. What kind of "doable" platform would someone need to win... and I do mean specifics.
I do believe all that has been pointed out through out this thread.
Not what I'll talking about. Some disagreements over gravel is all I've really seen that isn't just differences of opinion. I hope some good folks who would run haven't been scared off by local bickering.That would be sad.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2012, 12:13:10 PM
Not what I'll talking about. Some disagreements over gravel is all I've really seen that isn't just differences of opinion. I hope some good folks who would run haven't been scared off by local bickering.That would be sad.
Perhaps that's why they would run.
Economics at work:
One head line today read
,Greece Riots, Brussels Fiddles, Germany Seethes, Europe Burns
Think it can't happen here, ya better wake up.
Fredonia, Kansas --- I just read today that the 100 year old company, the Cement Plant is closing.
A very large ouch for their economy and their property tax base, and their economy, don't yaa think.
What about all those Federal Budget cuts that are coming.
Yes, the overspending needs to stop.
How do you think those cuts wiil affect the nation?
They are going to cut funding to the Mental Health Industry and to the Rehabilitation Industry.
There will most likely be large cuts to the Agricultural Industry as well.
None of these things affect me directly. But how about all those people around me.
There will be layoffs which means less money to be spent in restraunts, barbershops, movie theaters, local mom and pop shops, etc. This is a form of austerity and the pain will be felt by lot's of people, don't you think? Me included in some form!
I think it will affect everyone in some for or another, don't you?
We have seen this coming since the realestate bubble burst and all the bailouts took place. None of that is working for the common people of our country. But what are we doing to control our spending as a county. Just waiting until it is to late to do anything? Why not cut the waste now, instead of waiting?
So, what is our county and our school district doing wasting money, on privately owned company that claims to be an organization to improve the quality of life when they can not control the big picture and don't even consider it?
It's my opinion the school district is basically stealing from our children when and if they give school district taxpayers money to such company. Same with in the county government, the money could be used to repair equipment or repair county roads.
Someone please, just tell me why the waste of taspayers dollars?
Someone please tell me how using school district and county property taxes and other taxpayers dollars to pay dues for a privately owned company to belong to yet another privately owned company's organization in another county half way across the state helps Elk County's economy. The money is going the out of the county instead of coming into the county. Isn't that reverse Economic Development?
Should our school board be donating money to any business, when they said they could not afford to keep our grade schools open? Shoud a privately owned company even consider asking our school board for money which should be used for our children?
Can Elk Konnected, LLC or the County Commissioners or even the School Board members explain the benefit to the county when the money flows out of the county and away from our childrens education?
Very hard questions aren't they?
Does anyone have any answers?
Seriously, some real answers are welcomed?
Are there any real problem solvers out there and I don't mean visionaries?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 11, 2012, 05:15:59 PM
Thanks Janet and Julie! My memory is either faulty or it just happened to be that the drug store was closed. I don't remember if it was a Saturday afternoon or not. It's all starting to run together with several other trips we made a couple of years before. I remember on one trip, I thought it was that one, we had to go somewhere else to find a drug store. Was there a period of time when it was closed somewhere in that time frame? Trying to keep up the places to eat was the hard part! Was poplar Pizza there then? (1995)
The drugstore has never been closed for any period of time except for the regular days that they are closed. As for Poplar Pizza, it was established in 1982 in Buffalo, NY. I will have to get back with you on when it came to Howard.
While Janet is getting that information, I am going to guess 1992 for the Howard location and 2002 for the Andover location.
It has been noted in the news media and I quote:
That President Obama is spending "far more money than any other president ever has," even as the economy remains shaky.
and the question has also been asked
Are We A Welfare Nation Now?
Is our Elk County going to continue to do the same things?
Yea, property tax breaks for a few.
That's a take away from all other taxpayers.
What was that term I recently read somewhere, Oh yea, beggar-thy-neighbor, wasn't it?
Politics as usual, right?
Good job County Commissioners.
It simply has nothing to do with attracting anyone to move to Elk County in my personal opinion.
If it does, I'd like to hear an explanation.
Poplar Pizza was established in Howard, Kansas, by Brian and Mary Jo Miller, in October, 1995. I didn't ask about the date on the Andover location.
Quote from: Ross on February 15, 2012, 09:24:24 PM
and the question has also been asked
Are We A Welfare Nation Now?
Absolutely. The nation has forgotten the true meaning of helping those in need. Instead they replace the responsibility put upon each and every person by God himself, with the government so they aren't responsible any more. So now we have a nation of folks that believe they are entitled to welfare, when if everyone had of taken care of their responsibility we would have a nation of producers. IF everyone would have taken care of their God assigned responsibility, then each individual that needed something would only need it a short while til they got on their feet. You see its easy to take money/food/whatever from a nameless faceless machine. Hard as hell to take money/food/whatever from someone who doesn't have much but is willing to help.
The minutes of the County Commissioners meeting from a couple of weeks ago, The meeting I atttended and asked what we are getting from our Economic Development/Youth Development programs just came out in the newspaper. And you know what they left out a few things that happened at the meeting?
For instance they left out that a county commissioner boomed out that he "Defends Elk Konnected".
They left out that the same County Commissioner called my post's on this Forum as Vile.
But I do have to say there was much more information in the newspaper then there use to be. That's sort of an improvement.
They also left out the County Commissioner, said I should "Volunteer".
I assume he meant I should volunteer for "Elk Konnected. LLC".
However, I don't know of anywhere that it says a person is a bad citizen for not volunteering for Elk Konnected, LLC, the self
for some self grandious privately owned company that portrays themselves as a community organization.
But hey, wasn't President Obama a community organizer?
I wonder if he used a privately owned company to hide behind, er no I meant to operate through?
Anyway, back to volunteering. The County Commissioner has no idea what I do or why I do it.
What he said was only an attempt in my opinion at attacking me.
He really didn't appear to want to discuss the subject at hand.
If I help out a neighbor by doing a little extra or a lot extra without asking for pay,
Am I required to advertise the volunteer work in the newspaper so everyone knows what I am doing?
Do I need to advertise my volunteer work, so I can appear to be important and be a braggart?
Do I have to answer to Elk Konnected, LLC and let them have credit for my efforts of kindness?
What is the Elk Konnected County Commissioners agenda by telling everyone in the audiance that,
"If only Mr. Ross would volunteer."?
What was his real goal?
Was it to shame me into compliance with Elk Konnected, LLC"s agenda?
Well it didn't work.
But seriously is the County Commissioners Meeting the place to cheer and boost and DEFEND their Privately Owned Company, Elk Konnected, LLC?
Seriously is it?
Did you ask 'em how much money they've donated? Probably not.
You ought to take copies of "Not Yours To Give" to them. Of course they wouldn't understand any of it and if they did, they wouldn't like it.
As long as they're giving away money from the public treasury, they think of themselves as givers - even though it's your money.
Ross, it looks like you have elected people who are educated to the doctrines of Ted Kennedy and Obama.
They'd deny it and claim they're Republican, but at least they'd be telling the truth about being Republican.
We could use a couple more County Commissioners with out ties to Elk konnected, LLC and then we wouldn't have an Elk Konnected County Commissioners Meeting would we?
I mean, shouldn't there be a seperation of the two?
I was talking about county business and the County Commissioner changed the subject to, "I'll Defend Elk Konnected".
I was shocked speechless.
And no there were never any real direct answers concerning Economic Development in Elk County to show what our tax dollars are being spent on.
Even in the paper I read nothing substantial. Just word games is all I read.
They say preparation for things to come. What the heck does that mean?
Is he actually doing something for the taxpayers money, if so what are those things to come?
How about a real answer if there is one?
Employment applications are the responsibility of the Employeer and I doubt they would turn that responsibility over to a county employee. They may perhaps place their applications on the counter at the court house, that a possibility? That is not Economic Development, is it? I alway applied for work with the employeer so I just don't understand and would like some sensible answers.
Fullfilling on site needs at thewindfarm, huh? Was she telling the vendors how to run their business, telling them they had to be there, telling them what times to be there, what was she actually doing as far as the vendors?
Defininitions of Economic Development
Economic development is the development of economic wealth of countries or regions for the well-being of their inhabitants.
It does not say for special groups of people?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=11780.3390;num_replies=3399
Progress in an economy, or the qualitative measure of this. Economic development usually refers to the adoption of new technologies, transition from agriculture-based to industry-based economy, and general improvement in living standards.
Is our county interested in transitioning from agriculture to something esle? Then why don't they say so?
Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/economic-development.html#ixzz1mYTDPlP3
Is the word development used in a fashion that I don't understand?
Is having summer day camps that appear to be nothing more than a day care, witha few cheap toys really child development?
What about the older children, does that fullfill their development?
And do children cease to exist when summer ends?
Oh, but after I brought it up at the meeting, now they are going to rent movies for the days the kids have a day out of school.
Just where is the educational development of children from the age of 5 to 18 in that?
I really don't understand.
And how many children will recieve any benefit from the thousands of dollars of our tax dollars that are spent on it?
If you are going to claim to be doing something, why not really do something, and show actual benefits of doing it?
Ross, your definitions of economic development are extremely narrow in scope and apply mainly to large scale efforts at the international, national, state, or regional (usually metropolitan) level.
An ever increasing focus of economic development is community economic development, inplemented at the town or county level, or within a specific neighborhood or district within a larger urban city.
There are many resources available to those in the community economic development field. Some of the best and most comprehensive reside within the Land-Grant University system, specifically the state Extension services. Perhaps the following link from the University of Wisconsin will enlighten you and others on just what community economic development is all about.
http://www.uwex.edu/ces/cced/economies/index.cfm
Thank you Flintauqua I will definitly study that site.
I appreciate the response.
Flint I have just barely looked at that sight and find it very interesting and loaded with info.
Thanks again.
http://www.uwex.edu/ces/cced/economies/index.cfm
You know that's exactly what I was thinking, there is a lot more to economic development then even the leaders of the county know about.
I'm learning.
For instance from articles associated whit the link provided by flintaqua many things should be done.
Here are just a couple that are expressed:
In recent years, considerable attention has been given to the potential impacts of
growth and development on communities throughout Wisconsin. In general,
growth has been viewed as healthy and desirable for communities because it often
leads to additional jobs; increased income for residents; a broader tax base; and the
enhancement of cultural amenities such as libraries and parks. However, communities
are increasingly aware that growth may also be accompanied by costs such as
increased fiscal expenditures for necessary public services and infrastructure, traffic
congestion, consumption of local natural resources, loss of open space and unique
cultural attributes. In addition, development decisions are too often made without a
sufficient understanding of the consequences of those decisions on overall community
well-being. Since changes induced by growth in a community are not always
positive, carefully planned development is necessary for ensuring that growth is
consistent with the long-range goals of the community.
And
Development impact assessment is premised on the assumption that a community
has an up-to-date, comprehensive land use plan. Without this, no context exists to
use development impact assessment information in decision-making because the relevant
community values and aspirations have not been identified.
It says Wiscinsin sure, but common sense says the same principles apply here.
Who has performed such a study in Elk County and when can we see it?
And more:
What is a Development Impact Assessment?
Development impact assessment involves a process to comprehensively evaluate the
consequences of development on a community. The assessment process should be
an integral part of the planning process as it provides extensive documentation of
the anticipated economic, fiscal, environmental, social and transportation-related
impacts of a particular development on a community.
Where can we get a look at these comprenhesive evaluations.
Also
SOCIO-ECONOMIC IMPACTS
Socio-economic impact assessment focuses on evaluating the impacts development
has on community social and economic well-being. This analysis relies on both quantitative
and qualitative measures of impacts.
And there is so much more to read?
Is our county doing any comprehensive studies or are the operationg like Elk Konnected, LLC did with their Wellness Center and fail at running it?
Already at the County Commissioners meeting our Economic Developement Employee said she was working secretly with someone that doesn't want the public to know in case they fail. Why? Do they plan to fail? I have asked who authorized her to work secretly which keeps public information from the taxpayers she works for. No answer? Why?
Just asking?
Ross, may I also suggest this document, which is an indirect link from the previous mentioned page:
http://www.wi-edi.org/docs/WEDI-ED-Handbook.pdf
Please pay close attention to Chapter Four which begins on page 16, entitled "Organizational Development, Taking charge of economic development in your community"
And just so we're clear, just as you select excerpts from documents I have provided links to that cast a pale on what Elk Konnected, ECCEF, and the current ED director are engaged in, I will assert that the sources of information I provide, when taken as a whole, show that what they are doing, and what has been done in the past by myself, ECCFED, QUAD, etc. is completely in line with the practice of community economic development.
You can find fault, and I can find praise in the very same actions because of the fact that there is no one prescription for economic success that fits all situations. Each and every local economy has a completly different set of strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats.
Any action taken to address these unique characteristics, and affect change in the community, must by definition be a compromise between many different stakeholders. This means that what is seen as a failure by one or more stakeholders, can and will be viewed as a success by other stakeholders.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 16, 2012, 04:58:49 PM
Any action taken to address these unique characteristics, and affect change in the community, must by definition be a compromise between many different stakeholders. This means that what is seen as a failure by one or more stakeholders, can and will be viewed as a success by other stakeholders.
And just who are the stakeholders?
Does that exclude the taxpayers that provide the money?
If they were any good at economic development, they'd have their own ideas to start their own business.
Otherwise.......
Last nite, I had a nice visit with a retired "extension" man. I'd never seen Freedom Watch with Judge Andrew Napolitano so we watched it. We need more Americans like Napolitano and a lot less extension agents and economic development offices. It just goes to show how the government can take folks' money and waste it while everybody ends up with less liberty.
Yes Ross, each and every payer of taxes within the given economy, regardless of residency, is a stakeholder. And the term taxpayer is not exclusive to those who own property, it also applies to those who pay sales tax, liquor tax, fuel tax, etc.
Flint, it does not look to be voluntary for the stakeholder.
Wouldn't you say that folks are forced to pay? Or would you rather grant them a title as being a "stakeholder"
while you government people run the show?
Ross, how does it feel to be a stakeholder?
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 16, 2012, 05:31:39 PM
Ross, how does it feel to be a stakeholder?
It feels like being abused.
Because we the taxpayers are left out of the loop.
But Elk Konnected, LLC with just a few members aappears to be running the the whole show as County Commissioners?
I asked a reasonable question at the County Commissioners meeting and was told by a County Commissioner that my posts on this Forum are
vile right there at the meeting. And the question was also answered with, "I'll DEFEND Elk Konnected".
We already knew that, he's had sang his praises of Elk Konnected before.
What's with that?
We know at least two County commissioners are following this thread, so why don't they come out and tell us what they are doing. It appears they only want one way communications.
Like the column in the newspaper, one way communications. Which most of will be repeated when the minutes of the meeting are approved into the records.
They only want to inform us only of what they want to us to know?
But ask a question a person may not get an answer. Why? What are they hiding?
Like running a secret government is it?
Obviously, they're accepting and viewing their office as a hiearchical position to look down on you.
They're bringing the lifestyle and culture of New Your City and Europe to Elk County and Southeast Kansas.
Elk Konnected represents their culture. Liberty is not in their vocabulary.
Ross, you're on the right track. Stay right in there supporting individual liberty and property rights.
Thanks redcliffsw,
Nobody looks down on me and I don't look down on anybody.
I believe the same should be applied in our county government.
If our county commissioners that are Konnected believe that they their little privately owned company requires that they DEFEND it at the County commissioners meetings, then they must recoginize there is something wrong with it. Otherwise they would not have to sing it's praises and DEFEND it publicly at when being addressed at their meetings.
The little company of 6 or 7 members wants our property and school taxes to pay dues to another little company. I say pay your own dues if you want to be a privately held company. If you go back in this thread you will find where Commissioner Hendricks showed the company had or has gone through, what $85,000? She also stated the money was coming the to Elk Konnected, LLC from ECCEF. So in my opinion they don't need to beggar-thy-neighbor for their tax dollars.
Also they don't need to take $$$$ from the kids and our school district.
I mean afterall it seems they alway use the kids as an excuse for begging for money, so why take money from the kids education? That sounds hypocritical to me. Now Commissioner Liebau I agree with you that is vile, to have to post.
Are we a welfare county for privately owned companies?
Really an oil boom, more money in the Pratt area?
Niw, that is a good thing maybe, for their Econimcs right?
With all the Federal, State, County and City governments regulating everything for the voter and taxpayers
wouldn't you think that would be enough regulation?
Oh, but really who would take control?
Perhaps a steering committee, does that sound familiar?
Does that sound a little bit familiar?
I wonder if there might be a relationship of some sort to Elk County?
Oh, windfarm and more money, is that a possible connection?
Why do organizations like these refuse to answer questions?
Why do they call it negative and vile if you question their ethics?
You decide.
Why do you suppose the Pratt County Commissioners decided they did not want to participate if it is a good thing? (the last line of the article)
Do you suppose perhaps because it curcumvents their authority they were elceted to carry out?
Here is the news paper article I am speaking of.
Oil boom panel sought
By J.W. Keene
The Pratt Tribune Posted Feb 17, 2012 @ 01:00 PM
Pratt, Kan. —
A regional planning conversation By who? about the potential oil activity in area communities was held Feb. 3 at the Kiowa Community Center. Seventy-three individuals were in attendance. By what privately operated company (LLC)?
The group What group? had already received a sample proposal regarding preliminary efforts, from Design Studios West/Community Solutions, which indicated someone was previously working on the proposal. Carol Meyer, Kansas Department of Commerce, Rural Development Division, facilitated part of the meeting. A show of hands indicated a majority of attendees thought there was a need for some regional planning, according to a meeting summary.
The following questions were discussed during a breakout session:
• Please identify one of the worst things that could happen during a potential oil boom. Answers included: Oil bust, crime, depleted resources, stuck with long term debt, deteriorate infrastructure, and impact on quality of life and the environment.
• Please identify one of the best things that could happen during an oil boom. Answers included: Improve infrastructure, increase tax base, revenue growth, and ability to control the exit strategy.
Barber County, Medicine Lodge, and the city of Kiowa will continue to serve as facilitators until an "Oil Boom" steering committee is formed. The panel would be formed with a representative from six counties and eight cities, which are proposed as the nucleus of the organization, said Tina A. Davis, director Barber County Development.
The jurisdictions proposed for membership in the group includes: Barber, Harper, Pratt, Sumner, and Kingman counties (Kan.), and Woods County (Okla.) and the cities of Wellington, Pratt, Medicine Lodge, Anthony, Kiowa, Kingman, Cunningham in Kansas, and Alva in Oklahoma. In an effort at equitable representation, only the two largest cities from each county will be considered for the initial steering committee.
Once this committee is established, email questions for consideration, such as how to handle other jurisdictions not present at the initial meeting and whether, or not, the committee needs professional planning assistance to guide this discussion will be sent to members.
Davis is asking those invited to participate to respond as soon as possible with their appointment, or to indicate if they plan not to participate. Pratt County Commissioners decided they did not want to participate.
http://www.pratttribune.com/news/x740674319/Oil-boom-panel-sought
Something to think about, isn't it?
Really the questions should be
Who is doing this?
What are they relly doing?
Why are the doing this?
When is answered , that is now?
Why? Aren't they able to work within the system of government?
Is it they don't trust their local elected official to listen to them?
Or is it just that they want to have control and supercede the local governments?
Lot's more questions, I would like see be answered about organizations of this sort, wouldn't you?
Isn't that he same thing that has happened here in Elk County?
A windfarm and lot's of money and an organization?
What happens if the money never materialize's?
What happens if the Kansas State Governor decides to put a state property tax on all the wind farms?
Where will the money be?
Shouldn't our County Commissioners be operating on the chance the money may never materialize? Untill they get the money?
Does making property tax breaks for a few, make a lot of sense right now?
Especially, since our Economic Development employee said they don't want to be know in case they fail?
Are the Konnected County Commissioners considering the extra county expense that will possibly occur for a rural business, out on county roads?
They will be wanting a lot more gravel and maintenance on their roads so people can get out there to them, won't they?
How many different roads will they want fixed up?
Will they want the county to pave the roads out there to thier business?
Where will the expense end?
So sure give property tax breaks to a couple of people as an econimic development plan
with no real gain for the county and only financial loss.
Oh, where is the windfarm money?
I was always taught not to count your chickens before the eggs hatched.
Deja Vu :o :o
Quote from: sixdogsmom on February 18, 2012, 09:13:07 AM
Deja Vu :o :o
My exact thought's.
I wonder if the will have professional facilitators?
And the Circles of Chairs?
Will there be a facilitator in each of the Circles of Chairs?
Quote from: Ross on February 17, 2012, 12:28:24 PM
Are we a welfare county for privately owned companies?
Perhaps there should be drug testing for County taxpayer welfare requests?
The state is going to do it aren't they for welfare reciepient's?
Now that's funny, don't ya think?
I can pass a drug and an alcohol test at any time of the day or night and I don't get welfare form anyone, state or county.
But, I am just a crazy redneck old fart with out a diploma dat don't know nothin, that's why all the dumb questions.
Oop's i got that high school thingy, it's the college thingy I ain't got? So I don't owe no big, huge college school loans to the government welfare loan programs either.
From the Payment In Lieu of Taxes Agreement between Elk County and Caney River. Any mis-spellings are a result of my typing, as the document available on line is an image, and does not allow cut and paste. Full document can be viewed here:
http://www.tva.com/environment/reports/caney/appendix_b.pdf
"15. Repeal or Amendment of K.S.A. 79-201; Reduction of PILOT Payments
In the event K.S.A. 79-201 is repealed or amended in a manner that results in an obligation of Caney River or any owner of any of the Future Phases to make ad valorem property tax payments ot the County ina particulas calender year, the PILOT payments hereunder in such calendar year shall be reduced by an amount equal to the amount of ad valorem property tax payments so made or to be made by Caney River or any owner of any of the Future Phases to the County in respect to such calendar year."
So, if the Legislature (last time I checked, they make the laws, not a dictatorial Governor Brownback) decided to place a property tax on wind farm development, the PILOT would be reduced by the amount of property tax paid to the county. If the property tax due exceeded the PILOT due in a given year, then the county would actually come out ahead.
When is the PILOT due? From same document, Section 1a states that the first PILOT is due by Dec 31 of the year in which the project goes into commercial operation.
When did the project go into commercial operation? From the TVA announcement available here:
http://www.tva.com/power/wind_purchases.htm
"ENEL Green Power, LLC
In January 2012, ENEL Green Power, LLC began supplying 201 megawatts from its Caney River wind farm in Elk County, Kan. The power is generated by 111 Vesta turbines."
So, where is the PILOT money? Right where it is supposed to be until no later than December 31, 2012.
From someone who knows what is going on, instead of just spouting off about things without any personal knowledge, or without doing simple research.
So by that last stament, does that mean you are opposed to any one asking questions?
Or making suggestions that are as old as the hills, such as
Don't count your chickens until the eggs hatch, is that the point, you don't want people considering what their County Commissioners are doingor asking questions.
Well my apologizes to you in advance, because I will continue to ask.
It's nice to hear what the TVA has to say, but the TVA doesn't pay the PILOT. Enel and/or Tradewinds pays it.
Enel North America's parent company, Enel Intl, posted an article in the Rome newspaper on the 27th of December 2011 saying the project was operational. Further, I believe the Tradewinds or Enel rep was present at a recent county commission meeting and as matter of record, said that 105 towers were commissioned as of December 31, 2011. He further said that the payment matter was being reviewed by thier legal dept and we could expect a 'substantial' payment soon.
So just who's story are the voters & taxpayers supposed to believe, chuck?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 18, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
...So, if the Legislature (last time I checked, they make the laws, not a dictatorial Governor Brownback) decided to place a property tax on wind farm development, the PILOT would be reduced by the amount of property tax paid to the county. If the property tax due exceeded the PILOT due in a given year, then the county would actually come out ahead...
And the legislature may well be examining that possibility... ask Ms Hendricks who recently traveled to Topeka with Mr Liebau and testified before a state senate subcommittee on the matter of PILOT agreements. Further, you might do a bit of research on the taxation of property owned by utilities, chuck. I think you may have misses something.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 18, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
From someone who knows what is going on, instead of just spouting off about things without any personal knowledge, or without doing simple research.
Ditto. big bird.
I was just reading what a highly respected and highly educated Doctor of Medicine and a politician running for President had to say about our country. I find it very interesting a parallel of our county.
Here we go:
Paul minced no words:
"We've slipped away from a true Republic... Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen."
Paul's message resonated with many people in the crowd, including one supporter who told the Associated Press that "his foreign policy is one of peace."
http://www.mediaite.com/online/ron-paul-tells-missouri-republicans-that-u-s-is-slipping-into-a-fascist-system/
Ann Coulter visited Fox Business's Follow the Money this week to talk about the relationship between corporations and the White House. Speaking to host Eric Bolling, who had laid down his argument for the unhealthy relations between the government and private enterprise, Coulter boiled down the argument to the President Obama being both "a socialist" and "a fascist."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-warns-of-the-fascist-president-incandescent-lightbulbs/
Well what have we got going on in Elk County?
Isn't it an Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) relationship with our governing body?
Same thing isn't it?
Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company with two of their members on the County Commissioners Board and maybe 2 or 3 members on the School Board. If that isn't something I don't know what is, do you?
It takes two out of three votes to control the board, amazing isn't it?
The County Commissioners that are Konnected even appear to ignore Kansas State Law, what's with that?
Thank You Patriot for this post on another thread.
Quote from: Patriot on February 17, 2012, 12:09:03 PM
Read the minutes of the Elk County Commission meetings in this weeks Fallen Star and then read KSA 75-4319(a)(3) & 75-4319(c) below. Any discrepancies? If they can't get something this simple right (especially when it's a legal requirement), how in the hell can they 'manage' the county fairly, effectively & lawfully? Or are they? Subterfuge... now there's an interesting concept.
K.S.A 75-4319: Closed or executive meetings; conditions; authorized subjects for discussion; binding action prohibited; certain documents identified in meetings not subject to disclosure. (a) Upon formal motion made, seconded and carried, all bodies and agencies subject to the open meetings act may recess, but not adjourn, open meetings for closed or executive meetings. Any motion to recess for a closed or executive meeting shall include a statement of (1) the justification for closing the meeting, (2) the subjects to be discussed during the closed or executive meeting and (3) the time and place at which the open meeting shall resume. Such motion, including the required statement, shall be recorded in the minutes of the meeting and shall be maintained as a part of the permanent records of the body or agency. Discussion during the closed or executive meeting shall be limited to those subjects stated in the motion.
K.S.A 75-4319(c) No binding action shall be taken during closed or executive recesses, and such recesses shall not be used as a subterfuge to defeat the purposes of this act.
(Emphasis added)
They as members of Elk Konnected, LLC say they want an open and honest dialog but refuse to do so, why?
They appear to only want one way communication with the citizens of Elk County, by having entries in the newspaper or the little rural utility company's monthly magazine. No two way dialog?
Why is it necessary to have a newspaper article about County Commissioners meetings when it leaves out so much information about what happens at the meetings. I'm thinking a form of censorship. They tape record the meetings and we have a very expensive web site that is extremely under used, to inform the citizens of Elk County. How about using all that technology that is so expensive? Yes it would be real easy to put the recordings on the internet. Then people would know the whole story instead of what is chosen to tell them. Wouldn't that be what an honest and educated person could do for their citizens of Elk County?
Heck, they could even stream the meeting on our web site. But that would be worse then leaving a paper trail, wouldn't it?
Or does Elk Konnected, LLC disagree with county government being by the people, of the people, for the people?
This is the 21st century and there is an awful lot of public information on computers in the court house that could easily be placed on our expensive web site. That might make the web site worth the money, don't you think?
I suppose it is rather
VILE to suggest any of this, right?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 18, 2012, 09:48:44 AM
So, if the Legislature (last time I checked, they make the laws, not a dictatorial Governor Brownback) decided to place a property tax on wind farm development, the PILOT would be reduced by the amount of property tax paid to the county.
From someone who knows what is going on, instead of just spouting off about things without any personal knowledge, or without doing simple research.
Yes, out of context. But any one can back up a few posts and read your whole post. Or click on the very first line at the very top of this post and be taken there.
So let me get this straight Flint, I am asking you if our governor uses his influence on our legislature, then you consider him a dictator, is that right?
Does that also apply to his meetings of the influential people of Kansas that decided no more windfarms should be built in the tall grass area of Kansas? You understand, I am referring to the meetings he had and he acted as facilitator?
Didn't that group also decide that the wind farms would interfere with their plans for Economic Development in the form of tourism trail rides through Kansas that would run from farm to farm?
So, would that be a form of control via the use of Economic Development and to use taxpayers money to accomplish what a few people want for themselves?
Wow! Again that sounds very familiar to what is happening right here in Elk County, doesn't it?
Would you then refer to what is happening here as a form of dictatorship?
Anyway, I am turning to you as "From someone who knows what is going on.", to set me straight.
I would appreciate any response.
I'm just an ignorant taxpayer asking you to clarify all this if you can? What's the difference?
And since you know what is going on, that secret that our county elected officials are keeping from the general population about Economic Development, would that perhaps be something to do with tourism from Busby (which I hear is an abandoned town) and travel by horse back past an artesian well all the way across to the wind farm?
Isn't unfair to the taxpayers that are paying the wages of County Commissioners and our Economic Development employee to keep everyone except a select few in the dark?
Or, are they sending us a message that they don't work for all the taxpayers in the county?
I feel pretty certain others would like to know where our taxes are being spent, so please tell us.
I truthfully don't see or understand the difference.
I know they are difficult questions to answer so Thank You.
Wow! Wow! Wow!I just learned I was wrong about the windfarms being 40% efficient.
The numbers I have learned from a pretty reliable source says otherwise.
They actually say 25% to 40%.
Haven't we been lead to believe that the county will be getting Nearly $1 Million ?
Well, if the company can not produce 100%, how can the county expect to be paid 100%, I wonder ?
The Caney River Wind Farm uses the following generator per
http://academic.emporia.edu/aberjame/student/corley4/index.htm#construction The blue typing are my notes, I used
http://www.unit-conversion.info/speed.html to convert to miles per hour.
The following quoted from
http://www.thewindpower.net/turbine_technical_en_33_vestas_v90-3000.php except for the blue remarks.
Vestas V90/3000
General data
•Wind turbine name: V90/3000
•Nominal power: 3000 kW
•Rotor diameter: 90 m
•Available model
•Wind class: IEC II/III
•Offshore model
Rotor
•Minimum rotor speed: 8,6 rd/min (rounds per minute)
•Maximum rotor speed: 18,4 rd/min(rounds per minute)
•Start-up wind speed: 4 m/s (meters per second) equals 8.947745168218 miles per hour.
•Nominal wind speed: 16 m/s (meters per second) equals 35.79098067287 miles per hour.
•Maximum wind speed: 25 m/s (meters per second) equals 55.92340730136 miles per hour.
•Manufacturer: Vesta
Enel is Italy's largest power company and the second largest utility listed in Europe by installed capacity. The Enel group operates in 40 countries. (This is where the real money called profits will go, don't ya reckon?)
As I interpret the above numbers the turbines can not produce at winds below
9 miles per hour or above
56 miles per hour and that is why they are only 25 to 40% efficient. Oh, and don't we have days with no wind at all? I included the links above so perhaps someone could double check my figures. I'm human and subject to error.
And let's not forget that the state may still be considering taxing windfarms and wonder where that will actually leave us as far as the
Payment
In
Lieu
Of
Taxes
? PILOTJust wondering??????????????????
I really was looking forward to some constructive criticism on my last couple of posts.
Especially the last one with all the numbers.
I figured I would perhaps have made some errors in all them numbers.
I guess I didn't goof. It's just that I'm not sure, because it doesn't sound as good as we were led to believe and i was hoping I was wrong.
You'd have to talk to an engineer or physicist to totally get it but there is no such thing as 100% efficiency with wind, water or any such"power" source. Your numbers are pretty good .Due to the earth's gravity and friction loss and all the variables of wind speed ,size of the blades ,etc. you could bust your brain unless you have hours to discuss this and become familiar with Betz Law.
I can pretty much do it with figuring out the same idea with water through a fire hose. On long lays one has to adjust the pump pressure according to the friction loss or nothing comes out the other end!
The definition of "good" in the wind turbines case is totally subjective. How good does it have to be to be realistic and acceptable?
Blue Water Wind ,who was planning to build off the coast here was predicting about 20-35% efficiency most of the time.I don't have the cost per kwh any longer, but it wasn't bad considering all the start up costs.
Diane, I do beleive after a year of operation, providing they pay the PILOT per the contract, we should be able to calculate the efficiency of Italy's windfarm here in Elk County.
We should also be able to calculate the approximate megawatts actually put out. And by finding out the wholesale price of electricity and a whole lot of guesstimating we could get a reasonable guesstimate of how much profit in the form of American dollars are then exported to Italy, don't ya think?
You know, I wonder if anyone representing Elk County that knows about the transmission of electricity was even present on the initial start up to verify the initial start up wattage?
Also, for such a big deal, I wonder, did I miss out on the Ribbon Cutting Ceremony?
Did I miss the write up in the local newspaper about the major event of recyclable energy?
Did Elk Konnected, LLC miss a chance at a major event?
Shouldn't we have an annual Green Power Festival, with bands and parades and a big feed and vendors and everything?
Perhaps, Enel would support such a thing with some funds, what do you suppose?
How about a Moon light dance under the blinking red lights atop the turbine's?
Wouldn't that be the cat's meow?
Where are all the visionary's when you need them?
I gotta tell you, I was informed by a strong supporter of Elk Konnected, LLC that people are shying away from Elk Konnected, LLC. Now I'm not going to say who that person is for several reasons.
1. I like the person and that person may think I am trying to do them harm. Which, I definitely do not want to do.
2. If they want to out themselves or notice their business.
3. I just don't rollover on people.
Organization's that keep secrets is a different story.
I was all for Elk Konnected in the beginning, with all their talk of wanting a better quality of life and such. All the talk of helping the communities. Yea, I was for all that, who wouldn't be?
But gradually the truth came out and I think the truth is still developing?
County Commissioner Hendricks claims to be founder of Elk Konnected.
She also claimed as Elk Konnected, LLC to want to have open and honest dialog with Elk County. Really?
Where is it?
What use to be Elk Konnected, community organizers I thought, (you know the same thing President Obama us to do) Well it soon became Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) claiming they needed to protect themselves from lawsuits. Really?
Is it they don't trust the people of Elk County and have to protect themselves from the population.
Doesn't that give them an aura of being DisKonnected.
Really?
Or is it perhaps as a privately owned company they don't have to have open records, they don't have to answer to the public. Could that be the real reasons?
And after all those donations by 60 some unnamed people, then Elk Konnected became an LLC so any donations made directly to Elk Konnected, LLC would no longer be tax deductible.
So donors have been redirected to donate to ECCEF and to tell ECCEF the donation is for Elk Konnected, LLC isn't that the game now? Oh, a question for you folks. Wasn't ECCEF founded by our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks the same person who founded Elk Konnected, LLC? Just asking? Gosh?
The reason this thread was started was because of the so called Community Conversation Committee Report posted on page one of this therad. At the so called Community Conversation I seem to remember that we were told that the county Commissioners wanted Elk Konnected to hold this conversation on behalf of the County Commissioners.
At the time I was not aware that two out of three of the County Commissioners were Elk Konnected, LLC. And you know I just don't understand how most people wouldn't understand the conflict of interest. That Two County Commissioners who have involvement in one way or another connected to the windfarm and involvement with Elk Konnected, LLC. It is just unfathomable to me for anyone to be incapable if seeing that.
And that Community Conversation was in no way representative of any kind of conversation I have ever seen in my life.
The County Commissioners were present and as leaders of the county could have held an actual community conversation but failed to do so. They left the control of the circus atmosphere of circled chairs in the hands of a stranger from way over in Leoti, Kansas.You know haw square dancing works, you have circles of people that square dance in them and you have someone calling the dance telling people what to do. Yea, that's the atmosphere I saw.
Well back to people leaving Elk Konnected, LLC if they happened to read something here on this thread that give them thought, and they decide for them selves to move away from Elk Konnected, LLC that is absolutely thier own choice.
I only say more power to them.
here is an idea! How about someone start an Elk County Taxpayers Association. To stop the bleeding of taxpaeyr dollars.
Make it an LLC so you can keep secrets too!
Interesting.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 22, 2012, 07:00:12 PM
You'd have to talk to an engineer or physicist to totally get it but there is no such thing as 100% efficiency with wind, water or any such"power" source. Your numbers are pretty good .Due to the earth's gravity and friction loss and all the variables of wind speed ,size of the blades ,etc. you could bust your brain unless you have hours to discuss this and become familiar with Betz Law.
I can pretty much do it with figuring out the same idea with water through a fire hose. On long lays one has to adjust the pump pressure according to the friction loss or nothing comes out the other end!
The definition of "good" in the wind turbines case is totally subjective. How good does it have to be to be realistic and acceptable?
Blue Water Wind ,who was planning to build off the coast here was predicting about 20-35% efficiency most of the time.I don't have the cost per kwh any longer, but it wasn't bad considering all the start up costs.
Hydro is 95% efficiency rate. Nat gas is 95% Nuclear power is around 60% BUT the rods if the law would allow them to be reprocessed can be reused again and again thereby making the efficiency rate go up. Also nuclear produces more products than electric and heat. They use many of the isotopes for medical, science, construction ect....
Even wood can be 75% efficient for heating and power generation.
Hi Srkruzich,
I was just kicking some numbers around. I believe the average wholesale cost for 1MWHr of electricity is $35.
Doesn't sound like much does it. But if you calculate that for 24 hrs a day X 365 days for 200MW at 40% efficiency it's a tidy sum. I come up with about $25 Million. Basically electricity generated by free wind, financed by Renewable Energy taxpayer dollars and taxpayers stimulus Dollars leaves behind a lollipop and export lots of dollars to another country.
I figure we get the lollipop while about $20 Million gets exported to Italy providing they run at peak efficeincy.
Doesn't that do wonders for the Economics of our Country's trade deficit.
Doesn't that fall under the magic political words of Economic Development?
Is that PATRIOTIC ??????
I'm no mathmatician so my numbers may be wrong and they are guesstimates anyway. But it's the point that counts.
While our country is having financial problems like the rest of the world why are we giving MILLIONS away to other countries?
Welcom to the weekend.
But before it begins I'd like to ask if anyone has heard of Elk Konnected, LLC doing anything lately to improve the quality of life in Elk County.
I haven't read anything in the paper.
So, I thought I'd ask ?
What's happening Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: Ross on February 24, 2012, 01:43:16 PM
Hi Srkruzich,
I was just kicking some numbers around. I believe the average wholesale cost for 1MWHr of electricity is $35.
Doesn't sound like much does it. But if you calculate that for 24 hrs a day X 365 days for 200MW at 40% efficiency it's a tidy sum. I come up with about $25 Million. Basically electricity generated by free wind, financed by Renewable Energy taxpayer dollars and taxpayers stimulus Dollars leaves behind a lollipop and export lots of dollars to another country.
I figure we get the lollipop while about $20 Million gets exported to Italy providing they run at peak efficeincy.
Doesn't that do wonders for the Economics of our Country's trade deficit.
Doesn't that fall under the magic political words of Economic Development?
Is that PATRIOTIC ??????
I'm no mathmatician so my numbers may be wrong and they are guesstimates anyway. But it's the point that counts.
While our country is having financial problems like the rest of the world why are we giving MILLIONS away to other countries?
ROSS your not counting the government subsidy. ALong with no taxes paid, they get a government subsidy from the feds. YOU HAVE To count that in. Cause without it, the cost far exceeds the production value.
like ive said it for years, solar, wind, ethanol, all of it if it were not for the subsidy they couldn't operate at a profit.
Here we go again.
Don't these Elk Konnected County Commissioners have no shame, principles, or Ethics?
What am I talking about?
Well how about the Elk Konnected School Board Members?
Were they elected to advertise for Elk Konnected, LLC on the School Districts Taxpayers web site?
Is the school for the kids or for Elk konnected, LLC?
It took an aunt of a County Commissioner for them to realize they were doing wrong and to shame them and for them to remove their message from the County Taxpayers web site?
Don't they realize they are doing the very same thing?
Don't they realize they are abusing the All the Taxpayers?
Sure they do, right?
Do they care?
They started their organization based on conflict within the county, didn't they?
Just what do they think they are doing, using taxpayers resources as their own?
Especially, since the resources are suppose to be there for the children of the school district, not privately owned business?
I have to ask, Elk Konnected, LLC directly, have you no shame. no principles, no ethics?
If you do please explain where they are?
Show us where, please?
This is what is posted on the West Elk School web site, at
http://www.westelk.us/joomladev/index.php/new-2/20-elk-konnected-to-offer-free-fitness-classes-in-january-and-februar
Elk Konnected to offer free fitness classes in January and Februar
The Elk Konnected Wellness Team is offering free fitness classes for the public in
2012. Starting Jan. 9 and continuing through February, the
team will coordinate classes at
West Elk, Elk Valley, Moline Library, and Grenola Library.
Following are the locations
and times: West Elk Auditorium area on Mondays at 4 p.m.,
Grenola Library on Tuesday
at 9:30 a.m., Elk Valley Board
Room on Wednesday at 4 p.m.,
and Moline Library on Monday
at 10:30 a.m.
In addition to these classes,
Zumba classes will be held at
the Get Fit (fitness center located in Howard). A small fee of
$1/class/member and $3/class/
non-member will be charged.
Let's get fit in 2012! Members of the Elk Konnected Wellness Team are Shirley Black,
Liz Hendricks, Julie Perkins,
Kandace Metcalf, Jennifer
Montgomery, and Kim Varney
They say free, but then state a small fee, it is plain and simple advertisement for a privately owned business.
Will the school district let every body else's buisness use it's resources for free advertisement?
Will the school district let private individuals post to the school districts web site?
Most likely not, unless they are Elk Konnected, LLC ---- don't you suppose?
Elk Konnected, LLC do you feel you have the right to walk all over the taxpayers?
Come on out and explain yourself to the citizens of Elk County?
Oh yea, what happened to the Biggest Loser Contest?
Did that fail, also?
Like the Baseball Tournamnet?
How about a little honesty, just a little?
Why is a privately owned business allowed to run their business out of the taxpayers school building?
Will other business, LLC's be allowed to operate out of the taxpayers school building?
What's the deal?
Quote from: Ross on February 27, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
Will other business, LLC's be allowed to operate out of the taxpayers school building?
Or print their promotional literature at taxpayers expense then store it in the county courthouse. Where does government stop and private business begin?
Quote from: Warph on February 07, 2012, 10:04:19 PM
Why do we vote for bad, ineffectual men? Why do we keep them in office?
Is it because it allows for official license to do wrong? It provides for a crowd with which to run to do wrong. It is easier to sin in a crowd than all alone. If the leaders are immoral, wrong headed, stupid, we have more excuse for ourselves.
We bailed out failed business in order to give a veneer of success when we should have allowed them to reap what they sowed. "Too big to fail" became the standard. Nothing, no one is too big to fail. Bad things come to a bad end and all you can do is forestall it a bit.
We need to set our standards higher and expect more from our leaders and from ourselves.
To see the whole quote click this line:
Quote from: Warph on February 07, 2012, 10:04:19 PM
Excellent post Warph. I hope you don't mind me borrowing it. Thanks.I even added a couple of words to one sentence, because I don't see real leadership, do you?
We need to set our standards higher and expect more from our so called leaders and from ourselves.
Here is sonmething I think helps explain Elk Konnected, LLC's attitude and the reason's they think they can continue to lord it over our County and School District's government by being member's of them.
Don't you think they believe we are still stupid enough to believe the same old worn out retoric?
I read this just tihiis morning and I thought of Elk konnected, LLC how ironic is that?
Just my opinion of what is going on here and something to think about because words get so twisted and formed into terms that are meaningless.
The Link to "Say what? 10 meaningless sales terms." is http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/advisor/10-meaningless-sales-terms-110000350.html
Here is the article.
"Say what? 10 meaningless sales terms."
At one time, these phrases made a real impact on potential customers. Not anymore.
Words—spoken or written—can make sales happen.
Or not.
Read Web copy and brochures. Listen to salespeople. Often you see and hear the same old words and phrases.
Once those words made a real impact. Now they're almost meaningless, if only because they've been used so often.
If the following terms are used in your marketing, advertising, or sales processes, put yourself in the customer's position and consider their reaction—because that's the only reaction that matters:
"Exceed expectations." Exceeding expectations is an admirable goal, and one every company should aspire to, but exceeding expectations should be an internal and not an external goal. Tell me you will exceed expectations and "exceeded expectations" is the expectation. (I know that's a little Zen.)
Just tell me exactly what you will do. If you consistently pull it off, I'll be happy. Let the customer judge whether you truly go above and beyond expectations.
"Customer focused." Gee, I hope so. Should you be anything except customer focused? If the goal is to imply that other providers are not customer focused, tell me how you're better: quicker response times, greater availability, customized processes or systems, etc.
Explain in concrete terms how you will meet my specific needs. (If you don't know my needs and therefore can't explain how you will meet them, shame on you.)
"Best in class." There are two problems with that term: Who defined your "class," and who determined you were the "best" in that class? (Most of the time the answer to both questions is "you.")
But maybe you are that wonderful. Great! Prove it. Detail your accomplishments, awards, and results. As a customer I don't need the best in class, I need the best for me—so tell me objectively how you will provide the best value for my needs.
"Low-hanging fruit." Consultants love this one. The problem is, when you say, "We'll start with the low-hanging fruit," I hear, "We'll start with the really easy stuff you really should have done yourself."
No business wants to hear they have low-hanging fruit. Just describe, in cost-benefit terms, how you prioritized your list of projects or tasks.
"Unique." Sure, everyone is a snowflake, but the ever-increasing pace of commoditization means few products and services have no like or equal for very long.
If a customer is considering whether to hire your firm or buy your products, "unique" means nothing to them. Customers want "better." Describe how you're better for their needs.
"Value added." This term is often used to imply a customer will receive something for little to no incremental cost. Of course that really means what I receive isn't value added because it's a part of the overall deal.
Tell me the deal, explain all the options and add-ons, and help me figure out how I can take full advantage of what you provide.
"Turn key." I love a turn-key solution as much as the next guy, but few solutions truly are. No matter how comprehensive the offering I always wind up participating more than I was led to expect, so when I hear "turn key" I'm naturally skeptical.
Unless, that is, you thoroughly break down what you will provide and what my participation will be, both during implementation and after. Turn key is in the eye of the beholder; the customer is always the beholder.
"Expert." Margaret Thatcher once said, "Power is like being a lady; if you have to say you are, you aren't." Anyone can claim to be an expert; real experts can prove it.
So show what you can do, and let me decide how expert you are. For example, "Web 2.0 expert" can be read as, "We can plop videos and marginally interactive applications on any website. On the other hand, saying, "Built websites for..." or, "Created applications that..." and showing examples allows potential customers to evaluate your level of expertise and its suitability for their needs.
"Outstanding ROI." Everyone seeks a return on investment. Everyone loves a great ROI. But without access to my numbers you can't accurately calculate my ROI. Therefore your estimate is either theoretical or based on another customer's results; either way I know your estimate is absolutely best case.
Show the costs, don't hide anything, and trust me to calculate my own ROI. If I'm not smart enough to do so I probably don't have purchase authority anyway, so you're wasting your time.
"Partner." Long-term business relationships are great, but we will never truly be partners until the day my hand can reach into your pocket like yours reaches into mine.
Still, maybe one day a customer could come to see your business relationship as a quasi-partnership... but that's something they will decide based on your long-term performance, not your marketing.
Just wondering is Elk Konnected, LLC with it's County Commissioners and School Board members are they going to be good responsible citizens of Elk County and reimburse the West Elk School District for the electricity for lighting and the janitors pay when they finish running their private companies business out of the school building? None of that is free to the taxpayer!
The West Elk School District buildings are not community civic center for private business now is it?
I thought the purpose was to educate our children.
If the school board figures the premises should used for other than educating our children then why not lease it out for a profit and then they would not need the taxpayers to pay for it, right?
Why not take the school private and lease it to private business after school hours or get out of the business of business altogether? Or, Why not do the right thing by the taxpayers and run a public school?
Are there no scruples in our county governments?
I'm asking about both the County and School Board.
They are both Governments, elected by the taxpayers, right?
Doesn't Howard have the Howard Cox Building available for such uses such as Elk Konnected, LLC needs?
Howard City Cox Building 620-374-3074
Isn't it available to rent?
Why does Elk Konnected, LLC feel the need to invade the children's school??
They pulled the same thing with the county by invading the county's web site, until the aunt of a county commissioner called them on the carpet, didn't they? Did the same thing with the county emergency call system too, didn't they?
Is it because they don't care about Economic Development?
It appears that way by not supporting the Howard Cox Building?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC to good to rent space for their personal business which would help the Howard economy?
Especially since they have all that money discussed in this thread at an earlier date, that was a hand outs that they took in?
Is it just that Elk Konnected, LLC want everything provided to them on a silver platter and free?
At the expense of the taxpayers and the children?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC get special privileges because they have elected School Board members as their members?
Is it because Elk Konnected, LLC's founding member and County Commissioner is also employed as coach at the school?
Is it partly because the School Board President is also Elk Konnected, LLC?
What are the answers?
Where are the ethics, principles, the scruples and the honesty in an open dialog that Elk Konnected, LLC has said they want?
Where is all that?
Can Elk Konnected , LLC and it's County Commissioners and School Board Members stand up to the light of day and the scrutiney of transparency and answer to the taxpayers?
If so come on out?
I just read the paper, the School Board Minutes for January 9, 2012.
Some Rather interesting stories in there about our Elk Konnected, LLC & County Commissioner & Head Volleyball Coach.
Quoted from the Minutes in the paper:
"Board Member Hilton had been approached about the liability involved to the district allowing Elk Konnected and other organizations to use of school for activities. Mr. Reese said the insurance covers incidents up to environmental point."
What the heck does that mean, "up to environmental point"?
Are our elected officials suppose to provide insurance for Elk Konnected, LLC and other organizations?
I think the other organization would be ECCEF which is having their fund raiser at the school, right?
Isn't there a relationship between Elk Konnected, LLC and ECCEF?
Yes, isn't that right?
ECCEF accepts donations on behalf of Elk Konnected, LLC, isn't that what Elk Konnected, LLC told us?
Is the School a school for our kids or a community center that takes financial liability responsibility for Elk Konnected, LLC and ECCEF?
Who is going to pay the light bill?
It isn't cheap?
Oh, it's alright all the tax payers in the county can handle this "beggar thy neighbor" attitude.
While the Howard Cox Building sits empty, right?
Quoted from the Minutes in the paper:
"Bellar moved to accept the resignation of Liz Hendricks as West Elk High School Head Volleyball Coach. Hilton seconded and the motion passed. (5-0)"
That's it?
That's all they had to say?
No one said thank you for your years of service?
No one said thanks for teaching our kids sportsmanship?
No one said we will miss you as Head Volleyball Coach?
No one said thank you for your service to our school district?
Even if she was present they could have still have said something nice about her service, couldn't they?
Then it would have been in the Minutes and the newspaper Minutes, right?
Well I'll say it.
Thank you Liz Hendricks for your excellent service to our school district.
Thank you for teaching our children good sportsman ship.
I'll bet all the kids on the volleyball team will miss you.
And good luck in any other endeavors you under take.
Stopping Crony Capitalism
By Paul Jacob
Voters in Wichita, Kansas, went to the polls, Tuesday, to smash a measure that would have forked over $2.25 million in tax rebates to a downtown hotel project. Those supporting the giveaway spent $300,000 to promote the deal, while opponents ponied up a scant $30,000 against it. The vote nevertheless strongly weighed against the big money, 62 to 38 percent.
The Wichita City Council had enacted this "economic development" deal with the hotel developers, and that would have been the end of it ... but for some pesky Wichita taxpayers.
Isn't that what economic development in Elk County is about?
Where and what are the actual jobs for Elk County Citizens?
Why is our Economic Development Employee working in secret with some group or person?
Simply because that group of person is afraid they will fail?
Why not be open with her employers, the taxpayer?
Because someone outside of our government say's she has to keep it secret?
Economic Development appears just to be a tool misused by politicians to fool the taxpayer.
Ross, I'm really sorry you don't get it. How do you think businesses decide where to expand when they are ready to make a jump into a new market? They investigate the business atmosphere in many areas, see what the tax structure is like, what the current infrastructure, etc. is like, what generally are the land prices,check out whether there are enough of the kind of employees they would need, etc. Tax relief is often one of the carrots dangled to attract them. We just hooked an Amazon fulfillment center south of here, and yes, the dealings weren't made public until the details were worked out. It's not that they had anything evil to hide, it's just good business practice. For example, if people find out a business rep. is looking, they do sneaky things like raising their land prices or rezoning.
Is it that you don't think Elk county is worth saving? You don't want it to grow? As I said before, you came with your own income, you could live anywhere.
How would you encourage new businesses? What would you like to see happen to put Elk County on the map as a business friendly place so venture capitalists of one type or another would take the chance?
No, Diane, it's you who doesn't get it.....
We have the highest property tax rate in Kansas. That's due largely to low valuation coupled with special interest expenses. Given our remote location, logistic/infrastructure issues and severely limited labor force, a tax giveaway program is not going to attract major investors. What it will do is provide perks to a limited few and rebate monies that represent needed revenues for county operations. Our problems are management problems, not tax incentive problems.
What happens in your east coast world of liberal politics is not what happens here. Your local conditions are not our local conditions. It's great that you 'snagged' Amazon. There's been one in these parts for several years.... just not in Elk County, it's near Coffeyville, a town that alone has a population greater than all of Elk county.
Catch a clue... Elk County, Kansas is NOT Joe Biden's precious Delaware. How about comparing apples to apples in the future.
I agree it's not the same, but you make it sound like we have some sort of advantage here and you are being sucked down into a big black tar pit.
As I said to Ross, what would you do to attract something, anything, to stop the downward creep or is it too late and you all are willing to watch Elk County become a series of little ghost towns? You talk as if the only thing to be done is run out the people who are trying to grow the area any way they can. It has to be more than just a management problem.The downward slide didn't just start with your current commissioners Is no government at all the solution? Yes, I do know about your taxes. Remember I did own land there until a few years ago. It's something like 193 mills.
Why was it necessary to try to be smart with me and write with such a sharp edge? It doesn't make your position any stronger and is very rude. What in the world does Biden have to do with anything? Does that attitude mean you deserve what you are getting? That's a shame. If all your apples are rotten, there is nothing to compare.
I am genuinely concerned. I have good friends out there...and family in the cemetery. That does give me a claim of sorts as to what is going on.
So how about saying something positive? Any good comments or praise?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 10:09:15 AM
So how about saying something positive? Any good comments or praise?
Thanks to the uphill efforts of a few, the public is becoming aware and informed of fact. Knowledge of the root problems is the beginning of the cures, and the voters/taxpayers are becoming informed. They are seeing beyond the superficial and are not so quick to accept the latest rumor or selectively edited newspaper article as fact. That's a good thing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
Ross, I'm really sorry you don't get it.
I don't get it, sorry Diane, you don't get it.
With our Elk Konnected County Commissioners and Elk Konnected School Board Members, it is like a political action committee working inside the County Government. And it falls right in line with the message from the voters to the Government of Wichita, Kansas. Let me repeat:
Quote from: Ross on March 02, 2012, 06:42:40 AM
Stopping Crony Capitalism
By Paul Jacob
Voters in Wichita, Kansas, went to the polls, Tuesday, to smash a measure that would have forked over $2.25 million in tax rebates to a downtown hotel project. Those supporting the giveaway spent $300,000 to promote the deal, while opponents ponied up a scant $30,000 against it. The vote nevertheless strongly weighed against the big money, 62 to 38 percent.
The Wichita City Council had enacted this "economic development"
deal with the hotel developers, and that would have been the end of it ... but for some pesky Wichita taxpayers.[/
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This is farm country, this county has less then 3000 people in it counting babies, small children an old fogies like me. What would Elk County have to offer a major employer?
Would the county be able to provide 200 employee's, or even 100 employee's, I doubt they would be able to find 20 employee's.
Do you suppose that's why the wind farm imported most of their employees, from Texas, Wichita, Oklahoma, and other places? And there was not enough housing for them.
There are no major employers coming to or looking at Elk County, if you know of any let us know?
It appears that only those that live here and have money are the ones that want more money and want to "beggar thy neighbor".
That is why I believe our County Employee is keeping secret who she is working for and that is the only reason.
As Elk Konnected, LLC so explicitly stated what they did about the, "Old Guard".
Only in my opinion, I think they failed to explain that they are the, "Old Guard" with a new name.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
How do you think businesses decide where to expand when they are ready to make a jump into a new market? They investigate the business atmosphere in many areas, see what the tax structure is like, what the current infrastructure, etc. is like, what generally are the land prices,check out whether there are enough of the kind of employees they would need, etc.
You see Diane we don't have the population in our little county that you probably have in your's,
We would probably have to go clear to Wichita (70 miles away) or to Bartlesville, Ok (60 miles away) to get the population that you have.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
Tax relief is often one of the carrots dangled to attract them. We just hooked an Amazon fulfillment center south of here, and yes, the dealings weren't made public until the details were worked out. It's not that they had anything evil to hide, it's just good business practice. For example, if people find out a business rep. is looking, they do sneaky things like raising their land prices or rezoning.
Everyone that lives in this county would like tax relief, why give it only to a few that live here.
The details are not a requirement to make public. But the government has no right to keep secret from the taxpayers who they are working with. Perhaps you were not following what was going on with your local government.
How far south of where you live is not far?
What state is it again that you live in?
What is the name of your county?
I'd like to look up the statistic's for myself and compare them to our's.
But understand the economic package the County wants to put in effect, as I understand it has to be voted on.
Do you think the general population of the county will vote yes on it,
while their elected county officials are working in secret?
I say fat chance.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
Is it that you don't think Elk county is worth saving? You don't want it to grow? As I said before, you came with your own income, you could live anywhere.
Save Elk County from what?
Elk County grows plenty.
Plenty of cattle, and crops?
My income has no part in what the local government does?
But if that is a point, I have added to the county by bring my income here.
I spend plenty locally and I try to do most of my spending locally.
But Diane, I am a poor man on a fixed income.
No, I am not poverty stricken.
And I don't "beggar my neighbor".
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
How would you encourage new businesses?
Not by showing them Elk konnected, LLC and farmland and no people to employee and no housing to live in, and no hospital. So, I guess you have made a point.
Farm land just doesn't have much to offer to the industrialised world.
Besides, I believe that certain people would rather not have their power usurped by outsiders.
Outsiders with more money then they have.
Just my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 02, 2012, 09:01:44 AM
What would you like to see happen to put Elk County on the map as a business friendly place so venture capitalists of one type or another would take the chance?
Why is it necessary for Elk County to be placed on the "MAP"?
Is your County on the so called, "MAP".
How come, I never hear about your county, if it is on the so called "MAP".
I'm sure if most of these people in Elk County wanted the big city life, they would be living in the big city, don't you?
I have a neighbor and I mean a real close neighbor that works in Wichita, Kansas nearly 70 miles away, and he is quit content to live out here in the boondocks even though the property tax is higher out here.
What's the advantage?
Little or no crime, I seldom hear a siren, fresh air, mostly friendly people.
What are the disadvantages?
The dis-advantages are plenty, so why does anyone choose to live out here?
I chose to live here because of the lack of crowding, but also because, if I so desire, I can go to a few small cities that are within 40 miles either east or west. And too, I have the convince of only a 70 mile trip to Wichita and major hospitals or 60 miles to Bartlesville, Oklahoma and the Jane Phillips Hospital. I had to drive that far when I lived in Seattle to get to a major hospital. So I don't find that a disadvantage.
Elk County also has a very diversified landscape and a number of beautiful drives. It is also fun to just go driving on the back county roads, there is so much to see. I have seen eagles flying around out there and I have watched the deer bounding over fences. There are great sunrises and sunsets, without having to peer between sky scrapers to enjoy them. A person can actually see the stars because the stars are not blocked by the city lights. And It is quit tranquil out here.
If and when rioting starts in the cities, I don't believe we will have it out here?
I'm sorry Diane you are the one that doesn't get it.
I hope you have a great weekend, I know i will out here in the country.
I felt compelled to bring this over from another thread in case some of you haven't read that thread.
That thread is: Quote from: Patriot on February 29, 2012, 10:32:26 PM
Remarks from an Elk Konnected Follower who apparently finds it TRASH to question our Elk Konnected, LLC County Commissioners and/or Elk Konnected School Board members. In essence calling us trash. How sweet is that?
It seems that when the Elk Konnected, LLC followers (they are not members because Elk Konnected, LLC I bellieve has said they have no members), just followers, so anyway when they have no real answers thaey seem to resort to name calling.Is that the extent of their education, just asking?Quote from: ELK@KC on March 01, 2012, 07:40:01 PM
Wilma you are right on. I know the families of all 3 commissioners and all 3 commissioners are fine hardworking young people. Most of the people I have talked to in Elk County think they are doing a fine job. In addition they think that Elk Konnect is a good organization for Elk County, they like the programs that EK does for the young and old alike. I say to the Commissioners KEEP ON KEEPING ON and ignore the the negative trash that people are making up.
How many people have you talked to from long distance? Would that be the 10 or 12 that are Konnected?
Would you please show what is being made up?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC actually doing besides begging for money?
And using county resources with out proper authorization?
They failed at their fitness center in howard and had to sell it, didn't they?
They failed at their baseball tournament, didn't they?
They fail at having any kind of membership, don't they?
Where they don't seem to fail is having family running Elk KOnnected, LLC do they?
They didn't fail to write a letter of self praise, did they?
They didn't fail to diss a community in Elk County in writing their start up letter, did they?Quote from: Ross on March 01, 2012, 08:15:22 PM
Lest you forget Elk KOnnected, LLC is a privately owned company that runs around begging for money, taxpayers money.
They go to the County Commissioners and ask for money and they are asking their own members to vote to give them money?
Good job, huh.
They do the samething with the School District where they have their members on the the School Board?
Just amazing isn't it. Perhaps that is where you need to direct your vile remarks.
Now that is just vile calling people trash.
Especially when you don't know them.
But that is typical of Elk Konnected followers. decide to
If people question Elk Konnected, LLC's motives, put them down,
That appears to be the Elk Konnected, LLC way.
I suppose you agree with Elk Konnected County Commissioners and I have to quote because I wasn't at the meeting.
So do you agree with suggestion by Elk Konnected, LLC?
I totally disagree. This is a beautiful county, beautiful drives anywhere you go in Elk County. With the exception of the old high school in Howard.
I have taken pictures of old houses and buildings that are leaning over so far it's amazing they are still standing. I don't find them to be a blight but artistic. There is one I believe on Road #2 south of 160 that s just amazing. The drive from Moline to Sedan is a very beautiful drive as well.
So why is Elk konnected working so hard to suggest the county is a blight?
And why is a privately owned company trying to control the county?
Isn't that what people across the US are upset about. Corporate America controlling our Federal Government?
Think about it, for all of a minute if you will.
County Commissioner Liebau you made the remark at the Board meeting that my posts are vile, well I must ask you a question.
Do you find the remarks at the Board meeting suggesting that Elk County is a blight to be vile to be true? If you do find the remarks vile, I think it would behove you to come out on here right now, right now and clear the air?
Or are you still going to DEFEND Elk Konnected, LLC and stick with the remarks suggesting the Elk County is a blight?
I'm sure it would be of interest to everyone in the county to know your exact feelings on those statements, I know I am very interested. So please tell us.
You know this is almost like a personal blog.
How cool is that?
But it is open for two way conversations?
Every month in the Kansas Country Living magazine I receive from my rural electric company, I read a full page of what I consider propaganda. Why? They are always talking about everyone else's negative attitudes. But they fail to talk about their own negative attitudes. This page I am referring to is associated with Elk Konnected, LLC. Every month, why every month? It is never backed up with anything factual, nothing any more factual then my asking questions?
Elk Konnected, LLC started up because of a big negative that they claimed, didn't they?
Didn't they say something to the effect that none of the real and actual communities in Elk County could get along?
How much more negative can you get?
Didn't the Elk Konnected County commissioner just recently insinuate the Elk County is a blight or something like that?
Why is it they are so negative about being questioned about their methods of operation?
Why do they twist words to meet their own needs?
For instance:
Why is it they call their meetings, community meetings when they are anything but community meetings? That in itself is a negative, isn't it?
It is their meetings and they can have you removed by the sheriff at the drop of a pin.
Sorta like a police state, huh?
Not a positive thing is it?
So, it is their meeting not a community meeting.
Aren't those their meeting's totally controlled by their professional facilitator?
Where do they get a third disinterested party out of that?
Isn't the facilitator there to do what the LLC want's them to do?
This again is a negative isn't it?
If you don't set in their circle of chairs, don't they tell you, you may not participate?
Yet another negative on their part isn't?
If you don't talk about what they tell you to talk about, they don't want to hear it.
Negative attitude for sure, isn't it?
They refuse to have an honest open two way communication here on an open forum?
They are always asking for a hand out and in return hand out an occasional lollipop?
Where are the receipt's for all that money?
Where is the accountability?
Where is the transparency to the real and actual community of Elk County?
Negative? Negative? Negative?
They do not accept constructive criticism at all in my opinion.
Another negative, don't you think?
The trouble with constructive criticism is that not all people are receptive to it. They may either feel their self-esteem shrinking under criticism, or they may feel that all criticism is negative. This can destroy the intent of constructive criticism. Attitude? Attitude?
Attitude?
Perhaps if they Recognized the value of constructive criticism, and that such criticism can improve relationships and productivity.
If only they would only acknowledge criticism that focuses on their behavior. and that it could be used to correct specific behavioral issues that would improve community relationships for the benefit of all concerned.
If they work hard to avoid becoming defensive and Resist any tendency to want to dismiss criticism or retaliate it would be a large improvement.
Perhaps if they would welcome criticism; and use the criticism appropriately to improve their own attitude, that also would be beneficial to all parties as well.
But no, they become an LLC they say to protect themselves from the real and actual community of Elk County, didn't they say that? How negative is that from a few people that call themselves positive?
I personally believe, they became an LLC in order to keep their business secret, which is what business do, they keep their business secret except for what they want you to know. Don't they?
I consider that another negative attitude for an organization that wants us to believe they have Community Conversations.
So mean while, while they condemn us and even call us names, in hopes that we will go away, because of their negative attitude towards us, they are just wasting their time, IMHO?
Why would our Elk Konnected County Commissioner call these post's vile during an Elk Konnected County Commissioners meeting, if not to be simply insulting to me on behalf of Elk Konnected? And in hopes that it would shut me up? Isn't that really a serious negative on the part of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I had a person tell me several days later the the man owed me an apology for that remark, the person thought the remark was way out of line. I told the person, an apology is unnecessary as far as I'm concerned, but that it simply showed very well, the attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC.
So really what is Elk Konnected, LLC's real purpose?
Besides using the county and the school district's resources?
I'm still asking questions and receiving no answers from Elk Konnected, LLC.
The trouble with constructive criticism is that not all people are receptive to it. They may either feel their self-esteem shrinking under criticism, or they may feel that all criticism is negative. This can destroy the intent of constructive criticism. Attitude? Attitude? Attitude?
And along with other concerned citizens and taxpayers of Elk County we are watching, for an honest response.
The tyrants are taking over - everywhere.
Will folks in Elk County make Elk County an exception?
Looks like you can either stand for Elk Konnected or take a stand for liberty.
The sky is falling! Oh, never mind, that was just a meteorite.
Weren't your commissioners elected? Red, do you even live in Elk County? Did you vote the last time? If so, I assume your candidates didn't win? Are you a radical? Do you what that word means?
Have you ever tried working inside the system to accomplish something? I find it works better than using controversial negative language and veiled threats and trying to cause trouble under the guise of free speech. If people think all one wants to do is make folks uncomfortable in public ,they will put up a wall against you and you may get a reputation as a problem child.
. We have those kinds of people here too. One, whose name is Fritz, is anti everything and for many years personally caused the waste of millions of tax dollars by causing legal problems and delaying tactics to prevent much needed county projects from moving forward. They finally put him on the planning board and Mr. Smug got a taste of his own medicine! Is wasn't as easy as he thought! Not the same as your situation of course, but the confusion and anger and uncomfortable feelings it caused was just like yours, but yours is little, like in a glass snow ball.
As far as "propaganda" is concerned. It is used by everyone to promote their view. It's just who is doing what to whom as to whether it's called "truth","facts," "opinions" or other names.
Ross your blog is now 11 months old. It's all propaganda don't you think? How is it not? Huge assumptions are being made about how people think and you assume they accept all that is said on your blog as fact, not opinion. So be it. It's harmless.
Ross, be careful my friend, you are starting to repeat yourself. I'd take your last blog and edit and do a critical analysis of it, but you might not understand the constructive criticism nor my reasons for doing it.
Have a nice day.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 04, 2012, 11:11:46 AM
As far as "propaganda" is concerned. It is used by everyone to promote their view. It's just who is doing what to whom as to whether it's called "truth","facts," "opinions" or other names.
Ross your blog is now 11 months old. It's all propaganda don't you think? How is it not? Huge assumptions are being made about how people think and you assume they accept all that is said on your blog as fact, not opinion. So be it. It's harmless.
Ross, be careful my friend, you are starting to repeat yourself. I'd take your last blog and edit and do a critical analysis of it, but you might not understand the constructive criticism nor my reasons for doing it.
Have a nice day.
As far as what you say about it being harmless you are absolutely right?
I do not prestent to many facts mostly opinion and questions.
I have said many times, I don't expect anyone to believe anything on this thread.
And I truely would hope they are capable of thinking for themselves.
If you can not explain your constructive critism then it would be a waste, wouldn't it.
I have another post that I wasn't going to put up for a few days, but just for you, I will do it now.
You also have a nice day, after I make the next post I am going outside into the warm sunshine day and enjoy it some more.
Nearly 70 degrees outside.
I have been hearing there is talk that I lack tact and diplomacy, well that is a true fact.
I don't believe tact and diplomacy is all that important.
And I really appreciate the people that recognize this quality in me.
I don't find anything offensive about that talk at all.
I have even stated myself in this thread, that I lack tact and diplomacy.
I am proud of that fact.
Just what matters more to you, the truth or tact and diplomacy?
Mr. Gingrich on meet the press this morning said about Iran, either you accept diplomacy or else. Great tact and diplomacy isn't it.
Take a look at the tact and diplomacy used by the people running for the republican presidency nomination, the back stabbing and lying, it just doesn't work for me. How about all them divorces and other things, does that work for you? And ladies does the fact that the men in our government are telling you, they know what is best for the use of your body and the medications you and your doctor use, when they don't understand what they are talking about, does that please you? They are using tact and diplomacy aren't they?
Tact and diplomacy is hocus-pocus the other party wants to use on you, which means you should disappear.
Tact: What we have been taught or brain washed to believe = the ability to do or say things without offending or upsetting other people.
Which easily translates via hocus-pocus to the purpose of kissing or sucking up to a person or party that can not deal the truth.
Diplomacy: What we have been taught or brain washed to believe = Skill in handling affairs with out arousing hostilities.
Which easily translates via hocus-pocus to sneak around and stab them in the back.
Tactful Diplomacy: translates via hocus-pocus to, be sweet to the people, while you slip around and back stab'em.
Is it tact and diplomacy when a County Commissioner says at a County Commissioners meeting that what I post here is vile , especially when they say they don't have time to read this thread?
But we know they are reading this don't we?
The truth hurts, doesn't it?
If I say something you don't like, and then you say I lack tact and diplomacy, that translates right back, that you lack tact and diplomacy by using such a phrase on me.
I prefer open and honest dialog versus tact and diplomacy, don't you?
However, the inference by Elk Konnected, LLC and their very few followers that they have would prefer that citizens who disagree with them, and their policies, refrain from voicing their own viewpoint, this is clearly not the way a free society operates, is it?
And the taxpaying citizens and concerned citizens have a right to oppose the misuse of their tax money and resources, don't they?
Especially, when the two out of three County Commissioners voting to give the money to the LLC are also admitted members of the LLC. No conflict of interest, nothing unethical about any of this is there?
How about if and when ECCEF asks for county taxpayers money to give to Elk Konnected, LLC? No conflict of interest, nothing unethical about any of this is there? Really?
Please explain this thinking to me.
I'd truly like to understand why?
There is just no way to be tactful and diplomatic about something of this nature, especially when a privately owned company is perceived to be overstepping their boundaries, and perceived as untruthful and as a "beggar thy neighbor" organization.
It is just going to anger them. Again, Especially, when they appear to be unable to prove other wise.
Where is their tact and diplomacy?
Where is their open and honest two way dialog?
When they slam the door shut on open and honest dialog, that truly simplifies tact and diplomacy for me, what do you think?
Yea, I am talking about when they came on thi thread and then failed to continue communications.
The same goes for calling their meetings, community meetings, which in fact are no such thing. Pointing out the fact that they are twisting words to meet their own means also lacks tact and diplomacy. So much so, that it angers them.
And they lack the tact and diplomacy to explain themselves and instead simply call for the sheriff to escort any one raising any questions about their company meeting, called a community conversation, out of their meeting.
Just words, just thoughts, just questions, just ignore all this if the truth bothers you, it is just my opinion anyway.
So, you may use tact and diplomacy and ignore every word put down here.
It's unimportant at this immediate time.
How come we never hear from all the Elk Konnected, LLC's visionaries?
Do any of the visionaries have names?
Why is it the Elk Konnected, tells us they have all those followers but none have names?
Don't all of those donors of money have names?
It appears we are told something by Elk Konnected, LLC and are suppose to believe it without any documentation or proof, do you buy that?
But if, iall of this eventually affects your property tax for county and school board purposes, it may be important then, don't you suppose?
But perhaps, by then it will be to late to voice your opinion?
It's totally your choice.
I think Elk Konnected, LLC would prefer for us to dutifully fall in line and do their bidding, er volunteering, so they can make headlines and to control.
Quote from: Ross on March 04, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
Just what matters more to you, the truth or tact and diplomacy?
Unvarnished truth. Political correctness and false positivity are often just a lollipops called by another name.
Quote from: Ross on March 04, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
I think they would prefer us to dutifully fall in line and do their bidding, er volunteering, so they can make headlines and to control.
I'm sure that would make life a lot easier for anyone seeking their own political agenda. Guess my sheeple gene is defective.
Pat, you certainly do have a huge sheeple gene...you are just following a different Judas goat! ;D
As far as dismissing diplomacy as "unimportant"...so does the kid who can't do math...he says math is not important as a protective mechanism. Honesty and diplomacy do not have to be mutually exclusive!
Don't you think generally calling people sheeple and stupid because they accept "lollipops" rather defeating to your objective? How does that work? You guys are trying to do exactly the same thing you say others others are doing, but if you do it it must be alright? One persons brain washing and hocus pocus another person's "truth" served up on a platter? That's politics for ya, but it's a shame some folks have to make it ugly to seem important.
Even dear Rush finally went over the line! Yuk. Would you want your daughter talked about that way? He better be careful or he'll have a contract out on him! :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 04, 2012, 04:21:55 PM
Don't you think generally calling people sheeple and stupid because they accept "lollipops" rather defeating to your objective? How does that work?
I didn't see anywhere that the man called any one sheeple.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 04, 2012, 04:21:55 PM
Even dear Rush finally went over the line! Yuk. Would you want your daughter talked about that way? He better be careful or he'll have a contract out on him! :P
That's some more of that big city talking, ain't it?
We are discussing lil ole Elk County here and how things appear to work here. Not talking assassination and the like, that big city folks do. All that big city violence don't happen here.
New study finds Kansas' tax loads worse than reported
By kansasreporter on March 5, 2012
TOPEKA — A new national study says Kansas business owners pay some of the highest taxes in the country.
No surprise there, one business owner said.
"We have so many kinds of taxes, and they are all high," said Ken Daniel, chairman of Midway Wholesale Co., a Topeka building materials distributor. He said his 40-year-old company's tax bill will be in the neighborhood of $150,000 this year.
(Skipping down several paragraphs)
The new study, titled "Location Matters — Business Tax Costs in 50 States," was released this week by the Tax Foundation, a nonpartisan research and education organization in Washington, D.C., that advocates for lower taxes.
The study notes, "Kansas offers among the most generous property tax abatements and investment tax credits across most firm types, yet these incentives seem to have little impact on the state's rankings for new operations."Derrick Sontag, director of Americans for Prosperity-Kansas, said the practice of government picking winners and losers must come to an end. "When you read a report like this how can one not come to the conclusion that we need to address this problem with aggressive tax reform that provides everyone an opportunity?"
Dave Trabert, president of the Kansas Policy Institute, told KansasWatchdog that, "Incentives are what one offers (whether a business or a government) when one is not competitive."
{They seem to have so many different ways of saying ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT call it what you want, it doesn't appear to work, does it?}
There is more bad news for Kansas in the study. You can read the whole story at:
http://kansas.watchdog.org/8676/new-study-finds-kansas-tax-loads-worse-than-reported/
You're right!
Liberty is more important than the tyranny of economic development by and thru government.
You have the liberty, to move to any state (or country) you choose.You can take any job you can get ,live in any housing you can afford and support any of many political parties that exist.
You can shop anywhere you want, home school your kids if you wish, grow your own food if you choose to do so.You can fly our flag or not, worship as you choose, or not. Go to a doc or not, speak English or not, protest or not, take risks or not. You will not '"vanish" in the middle of the night unless you choose to do so yourself. You can refuse to accept low interest Gov't loans after a disaster.
You, as Kansans may have high taxes but you have practically no zoning that I know of, and can pretty much use or destroy your own land as you choose, including living in substandard housing until it falls down around your ears. You can protest traffic tickets and choose your own lawyer in legal matters. I could go on.
Is this country perfect? Of course not! It is made up of people, who are never perfect.
The takers will always take and the givers will always give. There will always be misfits and people who are never satisfied.
There will always be manipulators and users. It's a weakness of a free country.
But they all die in the end and leave this world behind. The pendulum swings and will forever.
The only problem to that diane is you don't get all that if you don't pay the jack booted thugs of federal government. Sorry but that doesn't cut it. LIberty is freedom from them and freedom from theft of property and personal wealth.
Quote from Diane:
You, as Kansans may have high taxes but you have practically no zoning that I know of, and can pretty much use or destroy your own land as you choose, including living in substandard housing until it falls down around your ears.
Looks like someone is itching for a fight !! I don't care if you have family buried here or not, I do not think you know horse shit from apple butter about living here. Your sarcastic remark about our substandard housing shows your true colors.
Where did I say anything about any of you living in substandard housing ? I said you COULD and its true!
Actually, we have some of the same circumstances with folks who can no longer take care of themselves staying in really bad situations because there is no way to help them if they refuse.
Stop trying to find insults and put downs because they aren't there and wouldn't be unless you manipulate my words to create them.
Besides, even if they were intended and they aren't, aren't you supposed to be tough enough to take it? Big boy skives and all that? You all were the ones grumping about trash cans at the curb and all. That didn't come from me. By the way, my true colors are red, white and blue.
Just gentle down big boy, nothing to spook from here. So much for freedom of speech. Only a certain few can have it I guess.
Bye
Diane we are here to discuss what is happening in Elk County and what is happening here and now.
Not the rest of the world or 30 years ago or the future.
We are full well aware of our local rules and regulations and we also know how or where we can choose to live, that is something that applies to most humans on the planet earth. But thanks for letting us know you are aware of it.
Let's try to stay on topic, I know I sometimes drift, too.
Just like this.
I just stopped to check e-mail and to rest from cleaning some chickens for some good meals. Yum.
And now I am going back outside and enjoy the weather some more while I get some more work done.
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What is happening to the Elk Konected, LLC's Steering Committee?
Is it shrinking?
I only found these 5 people listed on their web site.
Steering Committee:
Jennifer Brummel, Julie Englebrecht, Liz Hendricks, Tommie Provence, David Whetstone
I thought they had a bunch more then that, what happened?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php
And they still don't have anyone listed as their Action Teams, I wonder why?
Action Teams
Physical Image - No one listed?
Wellness - No one listed?
Youth Development - No one listed?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php
I wonder why?
What ever happened to, "Watch Us Grow" ?
Where are all the volunteers?
An example of a very small town in rural Nebraska that took a very pro-active approach to sustaining it's future:
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/netradio/news.newsmain/article/0/1/1897484/Nebraska.News/Small.town.uses.local.tax.to.create.jobs..slow.population.loss
Nice article, thanks for posting it.
That story reads just like the story written by Elk Konnected, LLC praising Elk Konnected, LLC.
It is a nice story written by Ord, Nebraska praising Ord, Nebraska.
The county seat of Valley County, Nebraska.
Pat ourselves on the back, don't you think?
Just an advertisement about lining the merchant's pocket's from taxes.
Nothing in there to verify anything said.
And it is just one community in the county.
They are not taxing everyone in the county, are they?
They haven't proven any real growth in population either, have they?
And that is their county seat too, right.
It was simply a beggar - thy - neighbor story?
Again, it was only one community in the whole county, right?
Why couldn't they get their loan's the old fashioned way?
Just a story that an apparent Elk Konnected, LLC follower thought proved something?
There is no proof of growth, is there. In fact they are hoping to just maintain their population.
Just tax the heck out of the citizens, so the people in business can make more money, from the local taxpayers.
Quote From the article:
And despite their successes and aggressive attitude toward development, not everyone thinks using sales taxes to fund it is a good idea.
Others have accused Valley County Economic Development of being too socialist, Pollard said.
Pollard said he thinks the city sales tax is a big part of Ord's relative success.
And tax the people even more:
From the article: Soon, cities like Ord might get a boost in the form of a bill from Nebraska Sen. Brad Ashford of Omaha that would increase the sales tax amount municipalities can levy from 1.5 percent to 2 percent.
But while urban areas can expect continued growth, many rural cities have to work at simply maintaining a stable population.
Another from the article:
"If there is another downturn in ethanol, it will have a substantial negative effect here," Pollard said matter-of-factly. "I mean, we can't ignore that. It will have an effect. It's one of our largest private employers here in town, they employ forty people. You know, the same thing could be said if ag does down the tubes, we're screwed. I mean, that's the reality of it.
Well, if Howard, Kansas, our county seat, and Elk Konnected, LLC want to go that route, with Howard citizens, well more power to them. I say go for it.
Leave the rest of the county out of it. Leave it up to each individual city in the county just like Valley County, Nebraska did.
But just remember if you raise your taxes to high, it might make it cheaper for people to shop in Sedan or Independence or Winfield.
Give me a break!
I definitly agree with Diane nice article.
It proves you can tax the heck out of the citizens of the county seat and not accomplish any growth.
And for what purpose --- to make the merchants more money --- right?
More about the downward trends Ord was facing, and the cooperative effort put forth to do something about them:
http://www.sog.unc.edu/programs/cednc/stbi/cases/pdf/ord.pdf
Communities that actually try to do something to end the downward spiral effecting most rural small towns and counties stand a chance of succeeding. Those who listen to all of the naysayers and don't do anything to change the economic picture will simply continue to shrink until they no longer exist.
On a side, but interesting note about getting loans the old fashioned way. In a near by town a well liked merchant needed a new commercial refrigerator for her store. Her customers loaned her the money themselves, in varying amounts. She deducted 10% from their purchases until they had recaptured their loans and then she gave them discounts up to the amount the interest would have been on their money. Pretty clever I thought. Now back to the original programing. ;)
Loss maybe you should go back and read for content not just knock it. 3% unemployment. 38 loans but the kicker 105 new businesses in the last ten years. What part of that says bad? Ten years isn't a trial. That includes the worst recession in that ten year period.
Show me your constitutionally inspired private sector financed but secured funding plan that produces that kind of result?
Blame a Nebraska town on Elk Konnected that is a stretch but how dare they actually succeed using your money. That town is as big as our whole county. How on earth did the Nebraska loss and unpatriotic allow that to happen. I am sure that they exist. Retired old kermudgins jones'n for a cig bitching about the $800,000 dumped on their lap. Didn't invest a dime in the infancy stage but is right there to claim the bounty as our money. What about closer to home? How about looking at the commissioner's comments again too. Not the two "admitted supporters" but the other one. The part about what to do with the money that " we will never see a dime of " and compare it to the first page of this verbose blog trail. The two look pretty similar to almost verbatim if you ask me. Maybe he is more konnected to the real constitutional conservatives but spouts the ideas as the elk konnected community conversation did ten months previous.
I am sure it is just a fluke.
There is no way that everyone in the county is all wanting the exact thing.
Come on pick this apart.. Make sure you go line by line. Read slowly. Call Fred if you are at a loss....... He's the one with the new culvert.
Looks like the private sector is being destroyed to advance the cause of more government to make all citizens participate whether
they want to or not. In my opinion, a partnership between government and companies is not something desirable. The socialist cause gains and gains. We'll all becoming stakeholders in their losing deals across the land.
Liberty loses time and time again in these scenarios.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 06, 2012, 07:53:47 AM
... cause of more government to make all citizens participate whether they want to or not. In my opinion, a partnership between government and companies is not something desirable. The socialist cause gains and gains. We'll all becoming stakeholders in their losing deals across the land.
Liberty loses time and time again in these scenarios.
So true Red. And the socialists travel in packs. Not unlike wolves, wondering to and fro, seeking whom they may devour (to borrow a phrase from a much higher source).
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
Loss maybe you should go back and read for content not just knock it....
Hello Patrick Perkins. Nice to see you back. Have a nice winter?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 05, 2012, 10:32:59 PM
More about the downward trends Ord was facing, and the cooperative effort put forth to do something about them:
http://www.sog.unc.edu/programs/cednc/stbi/cases/pdf/ord.pdf
Communities that actually try to do something to end the downward spiral effecting most rural small towns and counties stand a chance of succeeding. Those who listen to all of the naysayers and don't do anything to change the economic picture will simply continue to shrink until they no longer exist.
The Time frame was 2001–2007 not TEN years, nothing about what is happening there today 5 years later.
Where is the follow up? Wasn't it in 2008 that the countries financial crisis started. How many job's have been lost, how many foreclosures have occurred there since 2008? No facts about today is there? Do you just want us to believe in facts of yesteryear?
You leave out a lot of vital information.And with this plan, and no growth and no guarantee of growth, but they do guarantee to succeed in making life harder for the taxpayers (especially those on fixed incomes) and to empty their wallets faster with more and more taxes. They don't show a drop of growth in that feel good story either. They don't show that they are not still losing population either. It is just a
feel good story. We read feel good stories frequently from organizations, they never admit their failures, do they? Like Elk Konnected, LLC's failures. They
failed running their own business, the Wellness Center in Howard and sold it, didn't they?
I'm not a naysayer, if you go back and read my previous post, I said if this is what the city of Howard and your beloved Elk Konnected, LLC want, do it. Go for it. Just leave the rest of the county alone. Try your experiment within the Howard city limits. Tax Howard Tax, tax them all you want. I just don't want you taxing the hell out of me, out here in the county, in hopes that Howard stops losing population. So go ahead and tax Howard all you want. Just stay out of the county coffers. Ya all, got your eye on the county coffers concerning the wind farm money don't you? A bunch of money grubbers out there if you ask me. Elk Konnected, LLC already seems to think they should have control of the purse strings of Elk County. Isn't that why Elk Konnected, LLC came about, wind farm PILOT? Try to be honest now, just try.
I may be a naysayer in your eyes, because, I don't believe calling a privately owned companies business meeting a community meeting, that in my opinion is only twisting words to manipulate and control the people of the county? And you are welcome to that opinion. Enjoy it to the fullest.
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
Loss maybe you should go back and read for content not just knock it. 3% unemployment. 38 loans but the kicker 105 new businesses in the last ten years. What part of that says bad? Ten years isn't a trial. That includes the worst recession in that ten year period.
Loss now that's cute. It reminds me of my time in Japan. Are you part Japanese? The Japanese could not pronounce the letter "R" and consequently I was called Loss, I thought it was fun and cute. But you know, I did think a speech impediment carried over to the keyboard, very interesting.
Where is the growth in population? Where is the proof that the population is not still declining.
We see the proof that they tax and tax for the benefit of the merchants. Perhaps the merchants that agree with them get loans and they possibly don't approve the loans for those that don't agree with them? But we will never know will we?
And again
The Time frame was 2001–2007 before the financial crises and the housing crises and all the job losses.
I may be dumb but I ain't stupid. I ain't go no scholarship to wipe my butt with, durn it.
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
Show me your constitutionally inspired private sector financed but secured funding plan that produces that kind of result?
So, you think taxation is the answer to every problem, is that right? Perhaps you would agree to pay more taxes to the Federal Government so they can keep spending more and more? They need a larger budget don't they?
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
Blame a Nebraska town on Elk Konnected that is a stretch but how dare they actually succeed using your money. That town is as big as our whole county.
No one blamed a Nebraska town on Elk Konnected, LLC except you. Twisting words in the same manner that Elk Konnected, LLC does, that's my opinion. Are you Elk Konnected, LLC trained?
And again there is no proof of succeeding.
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
How on earth did the Nebraska loss and unpatriotic allow that to happen. I am sure that they exist. Retired old kermudgins jones'n for a cig bitching about the $800,000 dumped on their lap. Didn't invest a dime in the infancy stage but is right there to claim the bounty as our money. What about closer to home? How about looking at the commissioner's comments again too. Not the two "admitted supporters" but the other one. The part about what to do with the money that " we will never see a dime of " and compare it to the first page of this verbose blog trail. The two look pretty similar to almost verbatim if you ask me. Maybe he is more konnected to the real constitutional conservatives but spouts the ideas as the elk konnected community conversation did ten months previous.
That is just Unexplainable Gibberish.Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
I am sure it is just a fluke.
I agree everything you have said is just a fluke. Just a little humor with a twist on words. Do you like it?
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
There is no way that everyone in the county is all wanting the exact thing.
So leave the county out of it and keep it in Howard. What makes you think a person in Longton or Grenola wants to pay more county taxes to support the City of Howard merchants when they may already support those merchants by spending their hard earned moneyin their stores. Let Howard take care of Howard, that sounds fair to me. Don't be like Ord the county seat and tax the rest of the county who do not benefit from it.
Quote from: Not-fred on March 06, 2012, 12:20:33 AM
Come on pick this apart.. Make sure you go line by line. Read slowly. Call Fred if you are at a loss....... He's the one with the new culvert.
Why the remark, "Come on pick this apart.. ", you apparently knew this was a faulty post.
I also appreciate the compliment by your copying my humor from an earlier thread, "Read slowly.", Thank You.
You say, "There is no way that everyone in the county is all wanting the exact thing." So what you are saying is let Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company that has failed at running their own business, the Wellness Center, let these people with all their un-named visionaries decide for us. Is that right?
The city Ord, Nebraska has their four pillars and Elk Konnected, LLC (not a city or community) has it's Public Square with it's 4 corners. Sounds and appears to be similarities, don't you think?
Patrick you are Konnected right?
So anyway have a right nice Konnected day, the weather will be changing soon.
Patrick please review what I said for content, LOL.
Quote from: Ross on March 05, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
That story reads just like the story written by Elk Konnected, LLC praising Elk Konnected, LLC.
It is a nice story written by Ord, Nebraska praising Ord, Nebraska.
The county seat of Valley County, Nebraska.
Pat ourselves on the back, don't you think?
Just an advertisement about lining the merchant's pocket's from taxes.
I most certainly did not say Elk Konnected, LLC was to blame for a town far away as you said I did.
Quote from: Ross on March 05, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
It was simply a beggar - thy - neighbor story?
Again, it was only one community in the whole county, right?
Why couldn't they get their loan's the old fashioned way?
Just a story that an apparent Elk Konnected, LLC follower thought proved something?
Quote from: Ross on March 05, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
Quote From the article:
And despite their successes and aggressive attitude toward development, not everyone thinks using sales taxes to fund it is a good idea.
Others have accused Valley County Economic Development of being too socialist, Pollard said.
Pollard said he thinks the city sales tax is a big part of Ord's relative success.
And tax the people even more:
From the article: Soon, cities like Ord might get a boost in the form of a bill from Nebraska Sen. Brad Ashford of Omaha that would increase the sales tax amount municipalities can levy from 1.5 percent to 2 percent.
But while urban areas can expect continued growth, many rural cities have to work at simply maintaining a stable population.
Another from the article:
"If there is another downturn in ethanol, it will have a substantial negative effect here," Pollard said matter-of-factly. "I mean, we can't ignore that. It will have an effect. It's one of our largest private employers here in town, they employ forty people. You know, the same thing could be said if ag does down the tubes, we're screwed. I mean, that's the reality of it.
These are their own negatives not mine.
Quote from: Ross on March 05, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
Well, if Howard, Kansas, our county seat, and Elk Konnected, LLC want to go that route, with Howard citizens, well more power to them. I say go for it.
Leave the rest of the county out of it. Leave it up to each individual city in the county just like Valley County, Nebraska did. Except for taxing everyone in the county, don't do that here, prove yourself in Howard, not at the expense of everyone else outside of Howard.
Quote from: Ross on March 05, 2012, 09:58:04 PM
But just remember if you raise your taxes to high, it might make it cheaper for people to shop in Sedan or Independence or Winfield.
Give me a break!
I definitely agree with Diane nice article.
It proves you can tax the heck out of the citizens of the county seat and not accomplish any growth.
And for what purpose --- to make the merchants more money --- right?[/color][/b]
"To make the merchants more money." Why is that a bad thing? Isn't that the whole point? If they don't, they have to go out of business and then where are you? Walmart?
Most will have to get some sort of loan to buy the original inventory to sell in their stores when they open. Then they will have debt service every month, probably for years.That has to come from part of their profit. Most people can't save enough to start a real store from their own savings. If they want to expand they may or may not need another loan.
Then they need to buy new inventory to sell and on and on. I'd sink just from the paper work.
Most folks in retail are also very generous to their community.They donate to the fire company, have trick or treating candy for the kids, and give out those dreaded "lollipops" to the kids....maybe even worse ,they might cook hotdogs!
No, of course, not everybody in a community is going to feel the same way about every tiny detail. Everything depends on one's point of view and their own personal history. That's why there is recall and referendum or referendum in general. Elections, voting, that's how our country has worked for an awfully long time.
Our district Councilman has decided to retire and three candidates have stopped by looking for support. One is a young neighbor two doors up.Very sharp and cute as a button. But he won't get my vote until I really check out the other two in depth.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 06, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
"To make the merchants more money." Why is that a bad thing? Isn't that the whole point? If they don't, they have to go out of business and then where are you? Walmart?
Diane is that one of them Good idea's -- big idea's!
Walmart $4 dollar prescriptins and Sedan Pharmacy, I also have mail order pharmacy through my insurance. However, I try to keep my shopping local, but who knows.
Over tax me, who knows.
Tax 'em to death and they won't have the money or the desire to shop there.
They may be pissed enough to take their consumer buying power elsewhere.
And then what?
Put up that giagantic electronic billboard and let it flash, good luck.
Desperate ideas for desperate times.
Diane you must be Konnected. are you Konnected?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 06, 2012, 10:50:34 AM
"To make the merchants more money." Why is that a bad thing? Isn't that the whole point? If they don't, they have to go out of business and then where are you? Walmart?
That is the job of freemarket, not government giveaways. The merchants should be paying for this not the taxpayer. Thats why its a bad thing!
IF they go out of business, that would be on them, now wouldn't it. It means they can't compete in a no-compete environment. That would mean that their prices are so high that follks would rather spend the gas money to go somewhere else or do mail order.
Like Ross said, most of my prescriptions are sold for 4 dollars at walmart. I have to go for that as no local pharmacy is going to give me that price either. Simple economics and NOW Walmart delivers it to me for free. So i don't have to spend a dime in gas to go get them.
How about giving this document a little consideration. It's the 2011 Annual Report of Valley County Economic Development and the Ord Area Chamber of Commerce. (Yes, Ross, most of what is going on in Ord is occurring at both the town and county level, they actually think of themselves as one community, even though there are three towns and one village in the county)
http://www.ordnebraska.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2011-VCED-Chamber-Annual-Report.pdf
And, for a third party analysis of what a positive, cooperative attitude towards community economic development can accomplish, please read this document:
http://sites.nppd.com/aedc/TrendStudy/valley.pdf
Sorry that is just so much smoke.
Chamber of Commerce and local government won't publish the bad stuff
because they don't want to look bad.
But back to the reasons they gave for the purpose of raising taxes on those poor people.
To raise or maintain the population, Isn't that right?
Did you read anything about that in those reports?
I didn't, perhaps I missed it.
But check out these stats:
Ord, Nebraska population 2,269 at the 2000 census.
Ord, Nebraska population 2,112 at the 2010 census.
population declined 157
Your PDF website you provided on Ord, Nebraska shows a popuation of 2300 for the year of 2000. Which means an even greater decline in population.
http://www.sog.unc.edu/programs/cednc/stbi/cases/pdf/ord.pdf
Way to much dis-information, anyway you cut it. they are not maintaining their population is is still declining?
Don't take my word for it do your own research, check the census bureau.
So what is being proved --- that the taxpayers are financing business ---- that's all.
No growth in population, only decline.
These are facts, not advertisement for the local area up there. See the difference.
I don't believe you Elk Konnected followers will be able to push false information on the citizens of Elk County.
Perhaps it will work in your fictious Elk Konnected community and I wish you luck with that.
But if the situation comes to a vote, to give more of the taxpayers dollars away to special people, I think you will find the county voting no?
Remember the school bond ya'all tried to push for the purpose of enhancing Howard. Howard was the only ones voting for it. Not enough, right?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 06, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Ross, will you please edit your last post. Intentional or not, you just made it look like I made the statement that you did, because you put it in a quote box that says it's from a post I made, when in fact there is nothing in the quote box that are my words.
Do try better to keep your words out of other people's mouths. They do enough harm when they come out of your own mouth.
ROFLMAO
Thanks for bringing the error to my attention.
I simply deleted the faulty post. And you are quite welcome.
But anyone could have seen it was simply a simple error.
There was no need to get your shorts in such a wad.
And to suggest I would put words in your mouth is absurd.
And by the way the words don't come out of my mouth,
they come out of my finger tips.
But what I was asking was;
Would Evanstrail by any chance be the name of the new tourist trail ride?
Just asking?
I find one part of the original article a tad troubling.... and quite telling:
But Ord's accomplishments and economic stability are built on the back of two industries known for their instability: ethanol and agriculture.
"If there is another downturn in ethanol, it will have a substantial negative effect here," Pollard said matter-of-factly. "I mean, we can't ignore that. It will have an effect. It's one of our largest private employers here in town, they employ forty people. You know, the same thing could be said if ag does down the tubes, we're screwed. I mean, that's the reality of it.
Mr. Evanstrail
Would that by any chance be the company T. J. Evans Trails?
Just curious.
Quote from: Patriot on March 06, 2012, 07:08:58 PM
I find one part of the original article a tad troubling.... and quite telling:
But Ord's accomplishments and economic stability are built on the back of two industries known for their instability: ethanol and agriculture.
"If there is another downturn in ethanol, it will have a substantial negative effect here," Pollard said matter-of-factly. "I mean, we can't ignore that. It will have an effect. It's one of our largest private employers here in town, they employ forty people. You know, the same thing could be said if ag does down the tubes, we're screwed. I mean, that's the reality of it.
Dont they mean if the taxpayers say enough giveaways to the ethanol industry their screwed. they wouldn't have a job if it weren't for the subsididy they get from us.
It pretty well explains Economic Development.
About the population, we gotta have you so our stores can make money to line our pockets.
Without the people and taxing the hell out of them we can not subsidise our stores and businesses.
It's not about population a bringing people in that was proven by Ord, Nebraska given to us by Elk Konnected, LLC followers.
The population has done nothing but decline since at least 2000 even with Economic Development was established and all the hype developed by their leaders. Just my opinion along with the numbers from the US Census Bureau.
I would bet their leaders are some of the same people who's business reaped the rewards of the Economic Development that taxes everyone else, don't you suppose?
And I bet they are probably the very some people that believe they have done a great job in their community, don't ya think?
I bet so, because their wallets are getting fatter on taxpayers dollars, while the taxpayers wallets are getting slimmer and slimmer.
Don't we think the Federal Government is spending too much money, tax money?
What's the difference Local Government spending, spending and taxing, taxing.
Oh, they will tell you they won't be raising your taxes.
Please don't fall for that line.
If they can afford to give tax money through tax breaks or other give aways, then they can afford to reduce your property taxes.
And if they don't lower your taxes, it is the same thing as raising them, to give to someone else.
It is simple manipulation of the citizens that pay taxes.
Something I learned in the military, there was a saying that went something like this.
If you feel them standing behind you with their hands on your shoulders, be alert.
Of course, it was a bit different. But, I won't go there.
And you can bet, that when asked a direct question and politicians choose not to answer, it's because they don't want to get caught in a lie, and they don't want to tell the truth. That in my opinion is why so many questions on this thread go unanswered. You can go back through this thread and read all the omissions your self.
I was threatened with a law suit by some of those politicians on this thread, so that is why I continually say it's my opinion.
I am neither a politician or a merchant in Elk County.
I retired and moved here because I got tired of the big city. I worked in or near big city's where my employement took me. Where I could make a good income with really good health benefits. Just like our kid will do, they will look for work where the money and benefits are. Unless you can force them to stay home on the farm and work for you.
There is no industry here in Elk County that can pay $30 to $40 an hour with excellent health benefits. And believe me if our national economy continues on the path it is on, and the Federal Reserve continues to print more and more bogus dollars our dollar will continue to lose valus and $30 to $40 and hour for a laborer will not be enough.
That's real Economic Development!
Print more, more fiat dollars, and jack up prices a vicious circle
It's like the idea of helping a child to go to college, but then they have to obligate themselves to return here to earn their living. Ever heard the word indenture. Isn't that sort of like slavery only, for a few dollars? I mean the child could graduate college and go to the city and make really good money, but you want the child to come biack here where the child would be lucky to get minimum wage. I don't call that helping a child go to college. In my opinion it is simply motivated by selfishness and indebtedness forced on the child.
Do we just blindly play follow the leader.
Even as children we did not blindly play follow the leader
did we?
Quote from: Ross on March 06, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
Mr. Evanstrail
Would that by any chance be the company T. J. Evans Trails?
Just curious.
Can't we get an answer to this simple question?
What would be the harm?
Is it the part of the secret our Economic Development program's secret that is afraid they might fail?
It's really sad when everything is viewed as potentially being part of some imagined conspiracy theory. If one would get off their own soapbox once and awhile and pay a little attention to others, they would realize that the answer to their current question can be ascertained from posts on this forum from a year ago. Happy hunting.
Or review at events/activities that are a matter of record from about 2003 to date, simply fit the pieces of fact together and see clearly that there may well be an agenda at work Form cash flows to strange lease documents to program proposals and budgets... it's plain as day... IF you take off the blinders and look. Remember, even Bernie Madoff's investors were blinded until the feces hit the oscillator. See something beyond the isolated water slide... then measure the real results.
Wow, you two have really lost me! I understand why anyone who doesn't have insurance needs to get their prescriptions at the lowest price possible but, and I know this sound mean, people have to make choices don't they? If people choose a line of work that doesn't traditionally have insurance even partly provided, so be it, but ya better save a lot, 'cause nobody knows what the future could bring. And you guys sure don't want Gov't invention to help out, even in the short term.
Self employed folks have known that forever!
Am I EK? I don't know what that means. Am I somehow flying in at night to go to meetings and disguise myself somehow to work on committees? What do you think? I have donated to various projects, mostly around Howard, but I don't think any of them were anyway connected to EK, nor would it be anybody's business!
I admire anyone who will take a deep breathe and jump in to try to get things done and doesn't just talk them to death. What does your Chamber of Commerce say about all this anyway?
Am I EK? HA! Pretty forward with the questions aren't ya? and no I don't have anything to hide, so don't start that stuff.
Bernie Madoff used as an example in relation to Elk County? Holy Cow! ;D ;D ;D ;D
" If they don't lower your taxes, it's the same as raising them to give to someone else". What the heck does that mean? Are you forgetting to include the cost of inflation also? Low as it might be, taxes, like all other money doesn't go as far as it used to. Would you rather have services and hours cut? That's one that Walmart pulls. Ya have a job but not enough hours to live on independently.
There are places in this country that were one company towns. All the jobs were at or supported that one industry, often mills or mines. If that closed for any reason, the town dried up and blew away. During the gold rush, when the mines played out people left, sometimes taking their houses with them on railroad flat cars.
I do hope that is not where EC's situation is heading. Girl Scout cookies? Good grief. Are town feuds far behind? Are they here now? I do hope people are above that, no matter what Gov't does or does not do.
Is it really so important that you figure out the names of the other people who post on here? Is it so you feel you can more successfully attack them? You sure aren't gonna give up your own names.
I'm going to have to go back and reread some of this again as it seems to be attacking businesses now too and I hope I'm wrong. It rambles. I have things to do. Al has his colonoscopy on Friday, so today starts the special food business. yuk Have fun arguing y'all..
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 07, 2012, 09:55:48 AM
Wow, you two have really lost me! I understand why anyone who doesn't have insurance needs to get their prescriptions at the lowest price possible but, and I know this sound mean, people have to make choices don't they? If people choose a line of work that doesn't traditionally have insurance even partly provided, so be it, but ya better save a lot, 'cause nobody knows what the future could bring. And you guys sure don't want Gov't invention to help out, even in the short term.
Where do you get the idea i don't have insurance. But getting fleeced by the premiums, and then getting fleeced again at the first of the year to the tune of 200 dollar deductible along with a 20% copay tends to drive one to the lowest price drugs possible. IT cost me less money to buy 4 dollar prescriptions than it does the copays or the deductible.
As far as home insurance which this was the topic, that is again not anyones responsibility but mine or each and every person out there. IF ya go on the cheap you gamble that the company won't be able to pay off.
Oh i also have home insurance as well as auto insurance when i am driving. that all sucks 1/3 of my monthly income.
Damn leaches on the backside of humanity is what they are!
QuoteSelf employed folks have known that forever!
Self employed have their own insurance. Been there done that. :)
I said "anyone," I didn't say Steve or have anyone in particular in mind as far as as company provided insurance. People do have to plan and be in control of their own destiny as much as possible.
Insurance companies are indeed a pain .Al has to sleep with a C-Pap because of the Polio long ago and it was far cheaper for him to shop carefully and buy one than to mess with the insurance company's demand he "rent" it for 6 months and pay a hefty Co-pay every year for durable medical.
Leeches? ;D I thought you were for businesses being able to charge what ever they can get...without Gov't regulation? (poke, poke) That's funny, you get a bill and it's fleecing. You send a bill it's OK? The drug companies swear they need all that money for research, as the Oil Companies need it for drilling and exploration. Personally, I'd like to know how much lower it all would be if they weren't adding the cost of all that outrageously expensive advertizing to our bills!
Quote from: ddurbin on March 07, 2012, 08:17:57 AM
It's really sad when everything is viewed as potentially being part of some imagined conspiracy theory. If one would get off their own soapbox once and awhile and pay a little attention to others, they would realize that the answer to their current question can be ascertained from posts on this forum from a year ago. Happy hunting.
Really Mr. Durbin do you think it is a conspiracy?
No one else has said anything of that nature or insinuated such a thing, so is that your opinion that there is a conspiracy?
If you haven't noticed I have never been on the Elk Konnected soap box, that's the only soap box I know of, is there another one?
No, no conspiracy.
Our Elk County Economic Development employee said openly in the County Commioners meeting that she is working
secretly with someone on Economic Evelopment, because they don't want any one to know
in case they fail. That sounds simply like it, goes along with Elk Konnected, LLC's failures.
No conspiracy there either. Every one knows about the Commissioners that are Konnected.
And that our County Ecoonomic employee is Konnected. and that you are apparently Konnected.
.
But your story about answers being answered a year ago is totally wrong.
I guess you don't want taxpayers thinking for themselve and voicing their opinions, Isn't that right?
I just asked a bunch of new questions as a concerned citizen and taxpayer, no answers.
Does that bother you?
Now Mr. Durbin where do you find the answer to thie simple question during the past year?
These are quotes of the questions just asked hours ago.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 06, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Ross, will you please edit your last post. Intentional or not, you just made it look like I made the statement that you did, because you put it in a quote box that says it's from a post I made, when in fact there is nothing in the quote box that are my words.
Do try better to keep your words out of other people's mouths. They do enough harm when they come out of your own mouth.
Quote from: Ross on March 06, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
ROFLMAO
Thanks for bringing the error to my attention.
I simply deleted the faulty post. And you are quite welcome.
But anyone could have seen it was simply a simple error.
There was no need to get your shorts in such a wad.
And to suggest I would put words in your mouth is absurd.
And by the way the words don't come out of my mouth,
they come out of my finger tips.
But what I was asking was;
Would Evanstrail by any chance be the name of the new tourist trail ride?
Just asking?
Quote from: Ross on March 07, 2012, 06:11:42 AM
Can't we get an answer to this simple question?
What would be the harm?
Is it the part of the secret our Economic Development program's secret that is afraid they might fail?
See nothing said about a conspiracy. I was simply referring to the secret that our economic development employee has talked openly about that she is keeping from the taxpayers of Elk County.
Can't we get an answer to this simple question?
What would be the harm?
Is it the part of the secret our Economic Development program's secret that is afraid they might fail?Is that what bothered you this time Mr. Durbin?
Is that why you came back out of the woodwork after so long?
Can you show me where the answer to these questions are during the last year on this thread?
If you could do that I would feel honored.
Thank you, Mr. Durbin.
Now Mr. Durbin where do you find the answer to thie simple question during the past year?
These are quotes of the questions just asked hours ago.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 06, 2012, 03:56:33 PM
Ross, will you please edit your last post. Intentional or not, you just made it look like I made the statement that you did, because you put it in a quote box that says it's from a post I made, when in fact there is nothing in the quote box that are my words.
Do try better to keep your words out of other people's mouths. They do enough harm when they come out of your own mouth.
Quote from: Ross on March 06, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
ROFLMAO
Thanks for bringing the error to my attention.
I simply deleted the faulty post. And you are quite welcome.
But anyone could have seen it was simply a simple error.
There was no need to get your shorts in such a wad.
And to suggest I would put words in your mouth is absurd.
And by the way the words don't come out of my mouth,
they come out of my finger tips.
But what I was asking was;
Would Evanstrail by any chance be the name of the new tourist trail ride?
Just asking?
Quote from: Ross on March 07, 2012, 06:11:42 AM
Can't we get an answer to this simple question?
What would be the harm?
Is it the part of the secret our Economic Development program's secret that is afraid they might fail?
See nothing said about a conspiracy. I was simply referring to the secret that our economic development employee has talked openly about that she is keeping from the taxpayers of Elk County.
Can't we get an answer to this simple question?
What would be the harm?
Is it the part of the secret our Economic Development program's secret that is afraid they might fail?Is that what bothered you this time Mr. Durbin?
Is that why you came back out of the woodwork after so long?
Can you show me where the answer to these questions are during the last year on this thread?
If you could do that I would feel honored.
Thank you, Mr. Durbin.
Ross, I know you do some things differently out there, but if someone has a potential business deal in the works, why would you want it to be unveiled prematurely?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 07, 2012, 12:34:42 PM
Ross, I know you do some things differently out there, but if someone has a potential business deal in the works, why would you want it to be unveiled prematurely?
We don't really do things differently. As a taxpayer you are entitled to public information where you live.
And your elected officials should not refuse you public information.
I have explained this before, but I will try again.
If they are using our county economic development they are using public money and resources that are paid for by the taxpayers. It is simply public information as to who is using our resources.
No, we don't want to know about the companies personal financial busines or any trade secrets.
The chances are very remote that they woulld find any competition in Elk County. Really no competition in Elk County.
We were told by our Economic Development employee (our employee) that who ever she is working with wants her to keep it secret in case they
fail.
Just who pays her wages, these secret people or all of the
taxpayers of Elk County.
I wonder how long she thinks she will have a job
if the Elk Konnected County Commissioners are replaced at election time.
It is something I would be considering if I was in her shoes.
I don't feel we need Economic Development (the political tool for fooling the taxpayer) also I don't feel we need a Youth Developement employee (Elk Konnected, LLC's idea), where is the
DEVELOPMENT in youth development. Showing movies is not development and having a day care event labeled as Summer Day Camp is not development.
Child development is best left up to the parents, teachers, churches and boy scouts or girl scouts, FHA, 4-H and such,
Not government.
Ross,
Your questions regarding Evanstrail asked whether that related to a proposed trail ride in the county, or the T. J. Evans Trail, which turns out to be a bike trail in Ohio. I was simply trying to point you in the right direction to get your simple answer. Using the search feature of this site for Evans Trail, you will find a couple of posts alluding to it. Simply put, the Evans Trail was one name for a wagon trail dating back to the 1850's that ran from Fayetteville, Arkansas to just east of McPherson, Kansas, where it joined the Santa Fe Trail. It's route took it through what would eventually become Elk County. Nothing secret about it, and certainly no connection to Elk Connected.
As far as "coming back out of the woodwork after so long", I'd like to point out I posted a couple of items just last week. They happen to be in the Obituaries section. This forum deals with a lot more than just your political diatribes. Also, please endeavor to know which Mr. Durbin you are addressing. There happens to be two of us who frequent this forum.
Quote from: ddurbin on March 07, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
Ross,
Your questions regarding Evanstrail asked whether that related to a proposed trail ride in the county, or the T. J. Evans Trail, which turns out to be a bike trail in Ohio. I was simply trying to point you in the right direction to get your simple answer. Using the search feature of this site for Evans Trail, you will find a couple of posts alluding to it. Simply put, the Evans Trail was one name for a wagon trail dating back to the 1850's that ran from Fayetteville, Arkansas to just east of McPherson, Kansas, where it joined the Santa Fe Trail. It's route took it through what would eventually become Elk County. Nothing secret about it, and certainly no connection to Elk Connected.
Well golly, I didn't think to search "evanstrail" on the forum because I had no idea it would be on here.
I appreciate the history lesson and may jus look it up. Thank you it sounds very interesting.
I did do a google search an yes I read about Ohio but that was not what I was asking was it?
So, anyway the question now, is that going to be the name of the new tourist trail ride?
Quote from: ddurbin on March 07, 2012, 01:19:31 PM
As far as "coming back out of the woodwork after so long", I'd like to point out I posted a couple of items just last week. They happen to be in the Obituaries section. This forum deals with a lot more than just your political diatribes. Also, please endeavor to know which Mr. Durbin you are addressing. There happens to be two of us who frequent this forum.
You miss understood, it was the fact that we have not heard from any Mr. Durbin's on this thread for a long time. Unless I missed something. I don't know one Durbin from another. The only Durbin I knew was very respected by me and that was Stub, I liked him a great deal. I sure do miss him.
So why couldn't "evanstrail" speak for himself?
Loss,
Because evanstrail (among many on this Forum) gets tired of your continued inability to see anything in my posts other than what your shortsited, closed-minded brain wants to see. Then you just make shit up out of thin air to try and steer others away from evaluating the information in the posts for themselves.
I have absolutely no association with this tourist trail you keep speaking of, so I have no idea what the progressive minded folks that are working on it will wish to name it.
You are the one who looked up T. J. Evans Trail and asked if it had any bearing on my username. So quit trying to say "but that was not what I was asking about was it?"
And there are lots of Durbins that read the Forum, or have in the past before it became the nearly exclusive realm of negative people like yourself. Some that still have the surname, some that are married to people with other surnames, and lots that have Durbins in their family tree.
Why is it they use Progressive as the word to describe them when the progressive movement is a communist movement that only started taking strong hold after the wall came down in germany.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 07, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
Why is it they use Progressive as the word to describe them when the progressive movement is a communist movement that only started taking strong hold after the wall came down in germany.
Gee, Steve, nice attempt at deflection and mis-direction. Been reading the Alinsky playbook again I see. The playbook used by the reactionary right, libertarian Tea Party types about ten times as much as it is used by the liberal left. Especially on this Forum.
Evanstrail, you said it very well and I think that a big percent of the people in Elk County and on the Forum agree with you completely. We have almost completely quit reading or posting on the Forum due to the negative, repetive posts of a very few. Thank you
Again, I will repeat myself and I'm sure you'll get frustrated by my bull dogging this, but if the economic development employee that was mentioned earlier was asked by a potential client or business scout to keep quiet for a time, you can be sure I wouldn't say anything either until a deal was about to be set!
If it's going to somehow cost tax money, then yes, at that time it would be the time to announce the potential deal and allow for public input. If no tax money is involved then the deal would get announced at a time agreed on by the potential clients. Giving out public information doesn't necessarily mean on any whim by any person at any time. It has to be considered "reasonable"and sometimes needs to asked for with a later time in mind so details and facts can be checked. It doesn't mean anybody is trying to hide something.
We just had something sad just happen here. The public schools are suddenly in an uproar after 10 successful years of NCS, because Newark Charter is going to expand once again and build a high school here. A high school was never in the original plans. We had parents begging us to build one since the lower schools were so successful. But we didn't announce the new high school until we had a deal in place for a closed large industrial building in hand and got through the city hoops. We did not announce that we had been looking at a different site, which fell through for a number of reasons. Why tell people and then have to unring that bell? It set us back by many months.
There are untrue rumors flying as it is. Somebody has started a rumor that we won't have a cafeteria. (Sorry, it's right there on the drawings.) The lower schools don't. They have microwave ovens in their classrooms and the free lunch kids lunches are dropped discretely at the school by a little restaurant that makes them every day. Then occasionally they have special lunch days like pizza day or sub day or whatever. Everybody loves it. Someone else said that not having a cafeteria discourages poor kids from applying.Now how dumb is that?
The high school will have a cafeteria if for no other reason than it's a good rental hook. ;) Places here rent the schools for events on weekends. The high school won't have foot ball and if that discourages some families from applying for the lottery...well ,you can see where their priorities are.Tough!
No, it's not the same, but people do act really weird sometimes and listen to too many unfounded rumors or don't really know what people's jobs include or what their job contracts really say, the details I mean. Such negative behavior! Not good for anyone or anything. "Anti" people in general tend to get together and listen to each other and then get into their own strange circular reasoning and start believing their own misinformation.Then nothing gets done except grousing.You'll get a reputation as a grump and a delayer and its really hard to accomplish anything then, even if some of the ideas are good ones because people are put off by it.
I still have no idea why you got so upset over the day camp. Shouldn't free play be included? Should every moment be scheduled? Are you sure you know what they were doing, or not doing? Were the parents satisfied? If so, then what's the problem?
You have a list of gripes, some quite old now, that get trotted out at every opportunity. Why is that? I think I even have them memorized by now. I have a feeling people will now become deaf and blind to them and just write them off as "pickies" from an unpleasable person.
Why do some of you resent those of us whose parents, or ourselves, spent many thousands to get that"toilet paper'' diploma. I certainly don't feel superior to those whose career choices didn't call for one. My electrician pal makes 'way more than I ever did. But our steady investments helped a lot. We were very lucky. (I wish I could still get 14% treasuries.)
Ok, so I've talked much too much and I promise to shut up and go away....for now.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Loss,
That is so cute, Evans trail. But I think I told you that already.
Oh. I realize you are using negative tactics to attempt to upset me, but guess what I still think it is very cute.
Did you learn that from Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Because evanstrail (among many on this Forum) gets tired of your continued inability to see anything in my posts other than what your shortsited, closed-minded brain wants to see.
How in the world could you be getting tired of my postings since you have only been registered on this forum since February 17, 2011, 10:33:02 pm. But besides that if you can't handle the truth and some honest questions why come to this thread? Why punish yourself by coming to this thread when there are so many other threads. You are welcome to your opinion about my, "shortsited, closed-minded brain" as you called it and enjoy it to the fullest extent. Have fun with that.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
Then you just make shit up out of thin air to try and steer others away from evaluating the information in the posts for themselves.
Such language! Is that the educated way to talk to a redneck. I in no way tell anyone what to think or what to read or what to evaluate. In fact, I have told folks to just ignore my opinions. But I see you have a problem ignoring them. I can't apologize for that, only you can choose what you do. However, I will try to respond to you politely. But please, set all of us straight and tell us what is made up. Are you refering to the Elk Konnected, LLC community(that's fabricated isn't it? As in not like a community like Longton or Moline), or what is it that is made up? I'd really like to know.
And, I think you are implying that people that read this are incapable of thinking for themselves. I have to tell you, I totally disagree with you on that implication.
How in the world could you be getting tired of my postings since you have only been registered on this forum since February 17, 2011, 10:33:02 pm. But, besides that if you can't handle the truth and some honest questions why come to this thread?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
I have absolutely no association with this tourist trail you keep speaking of, so I have no idea what the progressive minded folks that are working on it will wish to name it.
I never said you had any association with the tourist trail. I asked if that was going to be the name of the trail. (Also please see note further down) I'm sorry you are so upset about it.
What progressive minded folks?
How do you know they are progressive?
What do you know about them to make that judgement call?
Are they really progressive?
How?
Would that be progressively looking for taxpayers money?
Don't any of them have a name?
Please clarify?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
You are the one who looked up T. J. Evans Trail and asked if it had any bearing on my username. So quit trying to say "but that was not what I was asking about was it?"
Okay, so I was asking? But, I was polite and clarified my question. Now didn't I?
Oh and I was told by Mr. Durbin an Evans trail that cut right through Elk County.
Wasn't that nice of him to inform of that?
Quote from: Ross on March 06, 2012, 08:17:55 PM
Mr. Evanstrail
Would that by any chance be the company T. J. Evans Trails?
Just curious.
Correction:
Quote from: Ross on March 06, 2012, 05:16:33 PM
But what I was asking was;
Would Evanstrail by any chance be the name of the new tourist trail ride?
Just asking?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 04:23:21 PM
And there are lots of Durbins that read the Forum, or have in the past before it became the nearly exclusive realm of negative people like yourself. Some that still have the surname, some that are married to people with other surnames, and lots that have Durbins in their family tree.
That's nice. I did mention I liked and respected Stub, oh and Barbra too! I do eat at her establishment from time to time and it is always a pleasure to see her.
Quote from: frawin on March 07, 2012, 05:03:38 PM
Evanstrail, you said it very well and I think that a big percent of the people in Elk County and on the Forum agree with you completely. We have almost completely quit reading or posting on the Forum due to the negative, repetive posts of a very few. Thank you
I disagree with you Frawin but I really can't read their minds.
Annd I don't have a bund of visionaries.
How would you know about what other people are thinking?
And why all the frustration and anger if what you say is true.
Personally, I think the people that read this thread do so because they want to.
And because they can make their own decisions.
Perhaps your frustration is because all taxpayers have a right to voice their opinion and they also have a right to say no on a ballot if it comes up that would allow a Beggar-Thy-Neighbor program. Is that it?
And anyone can click on the link in the e-mail they receive and discontinue receiving the notification of a new post here on this specific thread, anyone can do that.
Oh by the way I don't wane to assume, so I will ask.
Are you two guys Elk Konnected, LLC followers?
I hope you each have a really great evening.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 07, 2012, 06:03:51 PM
Again, I will repeat myself and I'm sure you'll get frustrated by my bull dogging this, but if the economic development employee that was mentioned earlier was asked by a potential client or business scout to keep quiet for a time, you can be sure I wouldn't say anything either until a deal was about to be set!
You make a good point.
But she said she was told to keep it secret. I do not know of any employer that pays their employee to keep secrets from them. Do you?
If a company comes to our county government, they are coming to each and every taxpayer. And they have no right to use our resources in secret. They started costing us money by using a taxpayer paid employee. It's very simple.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 07, 2012, 06:03:51 PM
If it's going to somehow cost tax money, then yes, at that time it would be the time to announce the potential deal and allow for public input. If no tax money is involved then the deal would get announced at a time agreed on by the potential clients. Giving out public information doesn't necessarily mean on any whim by any person at any time. It has to be considered "reasonable"and sometimes needs to asked for with a later time in mind so details and facts can be checked. It doesn't mean anybody is trying to hide something.
Any thing the county government does involves taxpayers dollars or dollars entered into the government coffers. It is that simple?
Without taxpayers there would be no County Government now would there?
There those that would have you believe that tax payers have no say, but that is completely wrong.
Again my opinion and it can be ignored by anyone that chooses to do so, with my blessings.
Quote from: Ross on March 07, 2012, 08:08:37 PM
But besides that if you can't handle the truth and some honest questions why come to this thread? Why punish yourself by coming to this thread when there are so many other threads. You are welcome to your opinion about my, "shortsited, closed-minded brain" as you called it and enjoy it to the fullest extent. Have fun with that.
And, I think you are implying that people that read this are incapable of thinking for themselves. I have to tell you, I totally disagree with you on that implication.
Loss,
In my opinion, you and a very small handful of others want anyone who does not agree with you to simply go away, to stop posting on this Forum, you as much as said so in the quote above. You want the readers of this Forum to hear only the views you put forth, you want them to be capable of only thinking the way you want them to, by chasing away anyone who has a dissenting viewpoint.
I decided to come to this thread to refute what spews forth from your mouth by giving factual information about things that are similar to what the forward-thinking people of Elk County are trying to accomplish. I believe I provide an alternative to the incessant negative nit-picking that you and that small handful of others are so adept at. It is up to the people of Elk County to decide if they pay attention to the never-ending bashing of honest, forthright people that is your forte, or to read and comprehend what I post and decide that the honest, forthright and forward-thinking people are on the right track.
It occurs to me that there are dozens of other threads/sections on this forum, yet a couple of you seem to think that people only see one or two whose information/theme you don't happen to like. Move on, nobody is forcing you to click or read, let alone post. There are many others who are interested, believe it or not.
Quote from: Patriot on March 07, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
It occurs to me that there are dozens of other threads/sections on this forum, yet a couple of you seem to think that people only see one or two whose information/theme you don't happen to like. Move on, nobody is forcing you to click or read, let alone post. There are many others who are interested, believe it or not.
If I post what I have to post in another thread, Loss or you will just link it back to this mega-negative blog anyway, so in essence I'm saving you a step.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
It is up to the people of Elk County to decide if they pay attention to the never-ending bashing of honest, forthright people that is your forte, or to read and comprehend what I post and decide that the honest, forthright and forward-thinking people are on the right track.
Might be nice if the 'forward thinkers' really became forthright and laid out their overall plan for all to see. Like detailing how this proposed tax rebate plan is expected to enhance Elk County in a significant way. Who's the expected benefactors of the plan? What business are expected to make significant investments in the county as a result? What neighborhoods are expected to see improvements? Mrs. Hendricks answer regarding PILOT use was, and I quote, "We should grow our own." What does that mean? Is that what passes for thoughtful planning?
Both Commissioners Hendricks & Liebau have stated at public meetings that they have no idea of how economic development is measured. We give school kids tests to determine the success of our teaching plans, yet our 'leaders' implement plans with no knowledge of how to measure the success of those plans? No specific targets or goals? Hogwash. Sounds like a boat adrift with no rudder. If one fails to plan, one is planning to fail.
Quote from: Patriot on March 07, 2012, 08:52:48 PM
It occurs to me that there are dozens of other threads/sections on this forum, yet a couple of you seem to think that people only see one or two whose information/theme you don't happen to like. Move on, nobody is forcing you to click or read, let alone post. There are many others who are interested, believe it or not.
And thanks for re-inforcing my commnet about you and Loss and your couple of followers that you don't want dissenting voices heard on certain threads. Exactly when did this become your exclusive blogspace?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 09:06:48 PM
And thanks for re-inforcing my commnet about you and Loss and your couple of followers that you don't want dissenting voices heard on certain threads. Exactly when did this become your exclusive blogspace?
When you can't successfully argue with the message, attack the messenger. Not a new tactic, exactly. I simply pointed out that no one makes you, or anyone, read this thread. Fact.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
Loss,
You still insist on trying to be rude, why?
Does it give you a thrill?
I still think your childishness is cute.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
In my opinion, you and a very small handful of others want anyone who does not agree with you to simply go away, to stop posting on this Forum, you as much as said so in the quote above. You want the readers of this Forum to hear only the views you put forth, you want them to be capable of only thinking the way you want them to, by chasing away anyone who has a dissenting viewpoint.
No, No. Now you are twisting word. A lot like Elk Konnected, LLC does by calling themselves a community or saying they have community meetings which they don't have. They are Elk Konnected, LLC meetings and they can throw out anyone that disagrees with them. I never said for you to go away. I said if this thread is so upsetting to you, that you are not forced to come here. I do not have censorship privilege on this forum, so no, that's not true. I want them to read all you have to say.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
I decided to come to this thread to refute what spews forth from your mouth
Please drop the fixation on my mouth you are giving me the creeps.
I told you the words of honesty and questions get on this forum through my finger tips.
Besides it is my opinion that you are the one trying to shut us up with your childish rudeness.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
by giving factual information about things that are similar to what the forward-thinking people of Elk County are trying to accomplish.
We are waiting with baited breath to hear all the facts including who the so called forward-thinking people are.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
I believe I provide an alternative to the incessant negative nit-picking that you and that small handful of others are so adept at.
So you consider the truth and asking questions to be "incessant negative nit-picking" .
Well I truly find that interesting.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:50:10 PM
It is up to the people of Elk County to decide if they pay attention to the never-ending bashing of honest, forthright people that is your forte, or to read and comprehend what I post and decide that the honest, forthright and forward-thinking people are on the right track.
I said in a previous post that I felt the people that read this are quite capable of thinking for themselves while you were insinuating otherwise.
I even told them they could ignore everything that I say.
So what is your point?
The "Honest, forthright people" you speak of who are they?
If they you are truly speaking of "Honest, forthright people" saying who they are?
Oh I know you will sy we will bash them, I'm sorry to inform you that is as far from te truth that you can get.
If you read this thread from the beginning you will find that the bashing has come from the Elk Konnected, LLC followers.
There is that "forthright and forward-thinking people" thing again. If they are so forthright why aren't they forthcoming as well?
I am always glad to hear your opinion, I find it very entertaining. I am waiting for the factual information you are referring to.
I too, simply pointed out that no one makes you, or anyone, read this thread. Fact.
Well I'm off to bed, so good night to you. It has been my pleasure.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 07, 2012, 08:56:37 PM
If I post what I have to post in another thread, Loss or you will just link it back to this mega-negative blog anyway, so in essence I'm saving you a step.
There is that mispelling again. Do you have a problem pronouncinng the letter "R"? LOL
And that "N" word again, you must really have some kinda hang up.
Could you use some help with that problem?
I know where you can get some help.
Just funning ya. Let's laugh together for a minute.
What?
Why does that bother you?
If it is the truth you should be proud that we accomodate you.
Or is it that you have something to hide.
If someone did that with something I wrote on here, I'd be proud of that fact.
I'd feel complimented.
Aren't you proud of what you write?
If so what is the problem?
This is a public forum not your own private forum, not my private forum either, right.
I encourage every one to to a look at this site. It is a compilation of thirty-some case-studies done by the University of North Carolina of what small towns and rural counties have tried to change their economic situation. While a lot are from North Carolina and other states east of the Mississippi and the nay-sayers will say they can't possibly be applicable to Elk County, I say read them and decide for yourselves.
The entire document (259 pages) is here:
http://www.sog.unc.edu/programs/cednc/stbi/pdfs/stbi_final.pdf
Links to individual case studies which are 7-15 pages each are here:
http://www.sog.unc.edu/programs/cednc/stbi/pdfs/stbi_final.pdf
Happy reading to those with open minds. If you would like more factual information like this, please PM me and let me know.
I expect nothing but negative from Loss and his small handful of close-minded, nothing but negative, nay-sayers.
;D ;D ;D Ross, that's bated breath...not baited. Unless you use some special kind of bait. In which case what do you catch? Patriot perhaps? ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!
Evanstrail, your documents are promoted by government and government is getting bigger, not smaller.
Can you think "liberty"? Or are you a simply a genuine promoter of more government for your causes?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 07, 2012, 11:59:50 PM
;D ;D ;D Ross, that's bated breath...not baited. Unless you use some special kind of bait. In which case what do you catch? Patriot perhaps? ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry, I just couldn't help myself!
You made me laugh so hard.
Hey, if I can't laugh at me, I can't laugh at anyone else. Or with others, now can I?
I'se just a redneck old hick out here in the sticks.
Oh and Diane I have nothing against people with degrees.
Just people with degrees and an attitude.
I have had friends with multiple degrees and multiple doctorates and I was never upset with them.
I have also had friends with mensa IQ's that couldn't tie their own shoes.
I have family members that are school teachers.
In fact a cousin who is an excellent teacher, however her husband is a lousy teacher.
Nothing is perfect, especially me. But I try harder.
Have a good day Diane.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 08, 2012, 05:19:03 AM
Evanstrail, your documents are promoted by government and government is getting bigger, not smaller.
Can you think "liberty"? Or are you a simply a genuine promoter of more government for your causes?
Red these Elk Konnected, LLC followers are working so hard to prove that they need money from a
"beggar-thy-neighbor" program, if they could find something in Russia to back them, I bet they would use it.
They tried using Ord, Nebraska who ran a
"beggar-thy-neighbor" program called Economic Development to implement growth. That growth was suppose to be about population. The population was in decline in the year 2000. Well the only growth was in the merchants pockets and the decline in population continued right on through and is still happening. And they had a couple of pretty big employers which were not the school district. And still the population declined. But that did not help the Elk Konnected, LLC followers cause to further a "beggar-thy-neighbor" program, so let's go to North Carolina.
What is Elk County's major employers'?
Wouldn't that be the school district's and the county Government?
So do we need any further taxation? I don't think so.
I also don't think we need any more
"beggar-thy-neighbor" organizations either.
If they can't work with the local governments and County Governments and instead build an organization to control those governments I feel that is as unpatriotic as one can get in my opinion. And I say that as a Viet Nam Veteran with ten years as a proud servant of my country.
And for those really nice Elk Konnected, LLC followers to continue the name calling just doesn't seem to help their case of proving anything. Except that they want that
"beggar-thy-neighbor" program so bad they will do anything. They even tried to prove in an earlier post that it is very little money. Oh, so why is it so important if it is peanuts. Probably because it is not peanuts. Really wouldn't it be a continuous
money sucking program with no end to it.
A bridge to no where so to speak.If we can afford to give a tax break to a few residents in the county, why not everyone?
Do you think all the followers name calling will work this time, it didn't work earlier in this thread did it?
What do you think Red?
Look what I just read,
POLITICO Huddle – CONGRESS: THIS JOB SUCKS, SUICIDE OUTSIDE RYAN'S OFFICE, KERREY FORCED TO EXPLAIN REID DEAL, HASSEBROOK BOWS OUT, PORTMAN VEEP ODDS BOOSTED, STEARNS DENIES CORRUPTION, MEET BRAD WENSTRUP, PINGREE SKIPS SENATE BID, TRIVIA
CONGRESS: THIS JOB SUCKS - Our own Jonathan Allen writes that for many members of Congress, "the thrill is gone." "They don't make national policy anymore. They can't earmark money for communities back home. The public hates them. And perks little and big, from private jet travel to a little free nosh now and then, have been locked down by ethics rules. As they head for the exits this year, many leaving Congress say the prestigious job of being a congressman sucks now, and that's why lawmakers young and old are trading in their member pins for a new life in the private sector. ...
That sounds like they really didn't want to serve the best interest of the Country.
But to serve themselves.
It sounds also like ethics got in the way.
No employer I ever worked for would have approved of that attitude and would have fired me had I had that attitude.
They would have fired anyone with that attitude, don't you suppose.
Ethics, Ethics Ethics. We need more ethics. Don't we? And attitude?
Here is another one that shows government at work for the betterment of the country. Not.
Highly payed officials played,
while firefighters risked their lives.
An interesting read, and a reason for more of the voters and taxpayers to pay attenting and be involved.
There are those who don't want you involved
because if you are involved they wouldn't be able
to get away with snow jobs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/congressional-wildfire-office-pool-angers-firefighters/2012/01/11/gIQA3unrrP_blog.html?wpisrc=nl_fedinsider
D.C. has no count of jobs from stimulus
Received $885M from feds since 2009
By Jeffrey Anderson
The Washington Times
Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Despite receiving more than $885 million in federal economic stimulus funds since 2009, the D.C. government — whose residents face one of the highest unemployment rates in the nation — cannot say how many jobs it actually created for those who live in the District.
Most of the money has been spent, and data suggest that overall regional job growth did occur as a result of the massive infusion of capital. But a review by The Washington Times of figures provided by D.C. officials shows that the city spent hundreds of millions of dollars without being able to demonstrate any significant improvement in the city's jobs outlook.
If anything, the employment picture has worsened in the District. At the end of 2011, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the city's unemployment rate was 10.4 percent
Yes, I skipped a couple of paragraphs
No, I'm not hiding anything.
In the District, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the unemployment rate has increased by 8 percent since 2009, as the D.C. government was receiving historic levels of federal stimulus funding via contracts, grants, loans, tax benefits and entitlements.
The whole story at:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/7/dc-has-no-count-of-jobs-from-stimulus/
So giving money away, or even giving tax breaks to friends/neighbors apparently does not create jobs.
Even in the nations capital.
Pretty much proves that "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Does not work.
Even with hundreds of millions of dollars.
Such a waste of taxpayers dollars, don't you think
Wow, it's interesting what one can do with selective editing, new math and total disregard for common sense.
First, a very telling paragraph fromthe article was left out of the post on this thread:
"That figure contrasts sharply with a 5.5 percent unemployment rate in the metropolitan D.C. area, which includes parts of Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia."
Secondly, the quip about the unemployment rate increasing 8% from 09 to 11. That doesn't mean it increased from 2.4% in 09 to 10.4% in 2011, though that is what the author of the blog article what's everyone to think. An 8% rise in the rate means it increased from 9.6% in 09 to 10.4% in 11.
Third, the assertion that all of this money has been pumped into the District of Columbia, yet no job growth "for D.C. residents" - Folks the actual District of Columbia is less than 70 sqare miles in area and about a 10th of that is water. So, if you were to spend that amount of money within 4.5 miles of Century II in Wichita, and then only count the jobs created that were filled by people who lived only within that small circle, would anyone take you seriously, or would they realize that the vast majority of those jobs were filled by people outside that circle.
Remember Loss left out the paragraph that happened to mention that the metro D.C unemployment rate was only 5.5%
And the right never tries to pull the wool over our eyes.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
Wow, it's interesting what one can do with selective editing, new math and total disregard for common sense.
Wow! Are you speaking on behalf of Elk Konnected, LLC?
If so you both have serious problems in my humble opinion.
I left the link for anyone and everyone to read the article, I was not leaving anything out.
Everything is right there through the link.
You seem to be insinuating that the people on this forum are unable to think for themselves.
On the other hand I think they are quite capable of thinking for themselves.
This is really stooping very low on your behalf, and I think you should show more respect for the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County. Just my opinion, ignore iit if you desire.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
First, a very telling paragraph fromthe article was left out of the post on this thread:
Really. Then the link I left for everyone to go to read the article must work. Thanks for verifying that for everyone. Nice job.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
"That figure contrasts sharply with a 5.5 percent unemployment rate in the metropolitan D.C. area, which includes parts of Maryland, Virginia and West Virginia."
Is it necessary for you to interpret for everyone. Again insinuating ignorance of the citizens of Elk County. You show that you apparently don't think they are capable of thinking for themselves. Isn't that the reason for the circles of chairs, to control thinking.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
Secondly, the quip about the unemployment rate increasing 8% from 09 to 11. That doesn't mean it increased from 2.4% in 09 to 10.4% in 2011, though that is what the author of the blog article what's everyone to think. An 8% rise in the rate means it increased from 9.6% in 09 to 10.4% in 11.
And still you continue.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
Third, the assertion that all of this money has been pumped into the District of Columbia, yet no job growth "for D.C. residents" - Folks the actual District of Columbia is less than 70 sqare miles in area and about a 10th of that is water. So, if you were to spend that amount of money within 4.5 miles of Century II in Wichita, and then only count the jobs created that were filled by people who lived only within that small circle, would anyone take you seriously, or would they realize that the vast majority of those jobs were filled by people outside that circle.
I did not write the article, don't you understand that?
The Washington Times did.
If you have a problem with their writing qualifications you should perhaps address that to them. Simply e-mail them. I'm sure Elk Konnected, LLC would be glad to help you find their e-mail address.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
Remember Loss left out the paragraph that happened to mention that the metro D.C unemployment rate was only 5.5%
Again, I left the link to The Washington Times article right there for everyone, right?
But you proved that didn't you? You went there so you could tell people how and what to think, right.
Here it is again, the link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/7/dc-has-no-count-of-jobs-from-stimulus/
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 10:16:03 AM
And the right never tries to pull the wool over our eyes.
No,
Loss. Oh heck ya got me doing it. No Ross did not try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
I left the link so they could read the whole article. Evanstrail what is it you don't understand about that?
One more time, here is the link:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/mar/7/dc-has-no-count-of-jobs-from-stimulus/
This is so much
fun, don't you think so Evanstrail?
Oh, I did express my opinion and I know you don't like anyone doing that.
But here it is again.
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs called Economic Development or called by any other name, do not create growth or prevent population decline.
Gee, I just improved on my statement of opinion.
Improvement is good, right?Just ignore all this if you so desire, that's okay by me.
I don't know nuthin'.Ain't no one gonna vote no because of me. They will vote no, if they choose to, right?
They will also vote yes, if they choose to, right?
Quote from frawin:
Evanstrail, you said it very well and I think that a big percent of the people in Elk County and on the Forum agree with you completely. We have almost completely quit reading or posting on the Forum due to the negative, repetive posts of a very few. Thank you
Frank,
I would respectively say, that would depend on who you are talking too. I know and hear from a lot of people that like the debate and seeing both sides of the coin. It looks to me like the same ol crowd is still posting just like they did several years back. Some come & go but that looks to be the norm in the past.
Loss,
You attack everything I post on this (and other) threads, selecting paragraphs and sentences that when taken by themselves seem to back up your very narrow, close-minded viewpoint.
Then you attack me when I give my take on what you post?
Thanks for reminding me and everyone else of the amazing level of hypocrisy that you and patriot perpetrate upon this Forum. You can present your opinion on my posts, but I and others can't present ours about your posts without being ridiculed and told to go away. Ad to that patriot continuing to spout about transparency while hiding behind his so carefully maintained veil of anonymity, and the level of hypocrisy zooms into the stratosphere.
And now I have a question for you - Have you had a chance to look over any of those case studies on small town economic development I posted the link to last night. Apparently you haven't since you haven't presented any of your out-of-context, nit-picking, always negative gleanings from any of them, overlooking all of the positive outcomes to find the one out of a hundred that you feel is negative and therefore means that the strategy is a total failure.
I am hearing rumors and I thought perhaps someone could tell me any information about them.
I heard there is a brand new home of about 6,000 sq ft in the N.W. corner of the county and a barn of about the same size or better. I also heard that there might be a plan to instal the ability to run County Wide High Speed Internet from that location?
That might be terrific if it is true. Anyone know anything about it? I wonder what the cost might be to use it, if it is true?
I have also heard rumors that there are several other large homes that might be built in the county but that they are waiting for the rebate program to be passed. I find that very interesting. If that is true, that would be a major savings for the wealthy that can aford it, wouldn't it?
And I'm curious, why they are holding off remodeling the old bank building in Howard? Isn't that an LLC?
Do you suppose they might be waiting for that "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor' program?
Do you suppose they would build even without the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor' program?
I think they would. I built my place with out a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor' program?
And I bet most of you did as well.
Those all sound like they would add up to a tiny sum of money to help support the County functions.
Some of those would require add expendutures for gravel and road work crews, don't you suppose?
I'm just wondering, if there is any one that knows anything about the rumors I have been hearing?
I'd like to know more, if any one has information.
As far as the tourism plans, bring them on, and good luck with them.
I'm sure, and I hope you will make a lot of money at it.
I just don't believe you need a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor' program to pull it off.
There is bound to be big money behind it any way.
It's been in progress for quit a while hasn't it?
Summer isn't far away, tourist season, right?
And you will want County support in the form of better roads and better road upkeep which will be costly enough to the county in my humble opinion.
I just wonder.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Loss,
How sweet of you. Or is it you really have a problem with the
"R" on your keyboard?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
You attack everything I post on this (and other) threads, selecting paragraphs and sentences that when taken by themselves seem to back up your very narrow, close-minded viewpoint.
I'm sorry you feel that way. I actually don't recall any other thread that I have communicated with "evanstrail" on. I'd need some help with that. So, if you please, enlighten me. There is that name calling thing again, does that really work for you.
It appears to me that you Elk Konnected, LLC followers thrive on that name calling stuff. And you accuse me of attacking you, really?
And I did not realize that communicating my opinion is considered attacking?
Wow, I'm stupid. After all I am just a redneck old hick.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Then you attack me when I give my take on what you post?
There is that attack thing again. Can anybody clarify the difference between attack and expressing an opinion in a conversation for me? It seems to be a real problem.
Actually I welcome your response's, I don't consider them attacks. So let's move on.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Thanks for reminding me and everyone else of the amazing level of hypocrisy that you and patriot perpetrate upon this Forum.
That is just as clear as mud. Would you care to clarify and qualify that statement?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
You can present your opinion on my posts, but I and others can't present ours about your posts without being ridiculed and told to go away.
What ridicule?
Have I called you names?
Have I constantly misspelled your name?
And when did I tell you to go away?
My, my.
I'll say it again, I enjoy your post's. Keep 'em coming.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Ad to that patriot continuing to spout about transparency while hiding behind his so carefully maintained veil of anonymity, and the level of hypocrisy zooms into the stratosphere.
We are not asking you for transparency now are we?
It is transparency in government, that is what was being asked.
Even Transparency in Federal Government has even been asked for by the voters.
I don't even ask for transparency from Elk Konnected, because they are a privately owned company, an LLC.
Which I suspect will probably become very wealthy in the near future.
But, I hope not at the expense of the taxpayers and some "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program.
But no I don't ask for transparency of an LLC.
Just our local government.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
And now I have a question for you - Have you had a chance to look over any of those case studies on small town economic development I posted the link to last night. Apparently you haven't since you haven't presented any of your out-of-context, nit-picking, always negative gleanings from any of them, overlook all of the positive outcomes to find the one out of a hundred that you feel is negative and therefore means that the strategy is a total failure.
The positive outcomes provided as advertisement.
Have you ever heard of any community advertising the bad in their own community?
Or could it be similar to the Letter from our County Commissioner Hendricks to Elk Konnected, LLC praising her own organization in a public letter. She has claimed to be the founding member, right?
You are talking about that kind of positive information aren't you?
Back up to Ord, Nebraska the first one you brought up, and all the positive they advertised.
But still the population is in decline.
The local merchants are happy, because they got taxpayers money to rebuild, so they could make more money.
But the population is still in decline since the year 2000 when they started.
I feel sorry for their decline, but it is going on every where
in lots of small communities and rural counties.
Did the wind farm increase the population of Elk County on a long term basis?
Or is that what this is really about population growth?
Or is it really about a few people lining their pockets? People with LLC's.
People, young adults tend to move to where the jobs and money and benefits are.
What happened years ago when the Walmart's Warehouse wanted to move here?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 08, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
Thanks for reminding me and everyone else of the amazing level of hypocrisy that you and patriot perpetrate upon this Forum. You can present your opinion on my posts, but I and others can't present ours about your posts without being ridiculed and told to go away. Ad to that patriot continuing to spout about transparency while hiding behind his so carefully maintained veil of anonymity, and the level of hypocrisy zooms into the stratosphere.
Oh bullspit. Ross is right about the transparency issue being about government. Further, I'll point out that I don't know you from apple butter and honestly don't much care. Your private identity is not at issue. Besides, names (or riding on the back of a family name) don't impress me much. I am, however, struck by the odd humor that you and your's continuously return to these unimportant identity issues that are really off topic. Talk about being circular, unfocused (or a hypocrite). But, just in case you missed it, here's my answer to your simpleminded, adolescent concerns about my identity: Go read post #1276 on this thread (June 19, 2011). Then quit whining and try to focus on real issues... like the crony capitalism that has become apparent in Elk County government or the questionable management of county/taxpayer resources.
Well Mr.Evanstrail I said, I wanted your posts and well sir I'd also like your input.
Perhaps somethinig we can all understand and appreciate.
That would be greatly appreciated.
I posted some news from the newspaper and praised our Elk Konnected, LLC founder and County Commissioner and Head Volleyball Coach of West Elk USD 282 for her years of service and teaching our kids good sportsmanship. I wonder did I do something wrong? I didn't even get a thank you from her as herself or as Head Coach or as County Commissioner or as Elk Konnected, LLC.
Doesn't a sincere compliment mean anyrhing in Elk County, Doesn't it deserve at minimum a thank you?
What is wrong with Elk County and Howard?
Or is there something wrong with recognizing a head coach that resigns?
I mean isn't that highly unususal, not to recognize a pillar of the community?
Even Dr. Whetstone, president of the school board and I believe her brother-in-law failed to give what I would have though would have been proper recoginition. What's with that?
Even Elk Konnected, LLC's association with our local newspaper failed to give her a thank-you.
Even Elk Konnected, LLC with all it's supposed community pride failed to give recognition to this event.
Why Mr. Evanstrail? Can you enlighten us why there was no positive attitude concerning this community event?
Ross, you've pretty much outlined what Evanstrail is defending or promoting.
I'm thinking there's folks in Elk County who look at the whole scenario much like you do, at least I've seen some of 'em.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 09, 2012, 06:58:11 AM
Ross, you've pretty much outlined what Evanstrail is defending or promoting.
I'm thinking there's folks in Elk County who look at the whole scenario much like you do, at least I've seen some of 'em.
But what is Elk Konnected, LLC's official stance on this.
Where is the positive feed back?
Afterall it is their founding member?
Or is Elk Konnected, LLC overly selective about what is good for their community?
Is there something really negative going on with Elk Konnected, LLC?
They don't recognize and publish these great accomplishments?
Come on Elk Konnected, LLC let's hear the cheers?
Why lose a Head Coach without recoginizing her years of accomplishment with out some ceremony?
Isn't that unusual?
I just don't understand.
Mr. Evanstrail accuses me of telling him to go away, which is untrue. Yet when I invite him for some positive input about a major county event,
nothing?
Perhaps I am being to impatient, so let's give him some time.
That would be the
polite thing to do.
Why do you think she saw it? It's been very long time since I've seen her name show up as being on the forum.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 09, 2012, 09:06:55 AM
Why do you think she saw it? It's been very long time since I've seen her name show up as being on the forum.
They read everything on this thread, you can bank on that.
Some of the followers just came back out of the woodwork in the last couple of days and now appear to have returned to the woodwork.
However I am patiently waiting to see if they respond with the facts they say they provice us taxpayers.
Thanks for asking.
Quote from: Ross on March 09, 2012, 06:37:43 AM
Even Dr. Whetstone, president of the school board and I believe her brother-in-law failed to give what I would have though would have been proper recoginition. What's with that?
Dr. Whetstone is married to her cousin that is like a second or third cousin. Not her brother-in-law. Just saying.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on March 09, 2012, 07:11:39 PM
Dr. Whetstone is married to her cousin that is like a second or third cousin. Not her brother-in-law. Just saying.
Thanks Janet I new they were related somehow. I should have said "or something".
My ignorance.
Thanks again.
Really?
What do I know?
Very little that's why all the questions!
While I am talking about change and making suggestions of what might be good for the county and the appearance of the
"Beggar-They-Neighbor" Plans. I'd like to address the supposed wind farm money the county may be receiving soon. They tell us it will be $850,000 I have to accept that number because, I have no other facts, only what they tell us.
I have heard that at the upcoming Elk County Commissioners meeting that the agenda will include discussion about how to spend that wind farm money.
So, I suggest the following.
Which is strictly my personal opinion.Let's have a large showing at that meeting.
Let's suggest a mild slow down.
We all know we have an
Elk Konnected County Commissioners Board. Two of the County Commissioners have openly admitted to being Konnected with
Elk Konnected, LLC, a privately owned company, Haven't they?
They have proudly announced that at County Commissioners Meetings, one has proudly announced he will
DEFEND Elk Konnected, LLC . I am proud of them for saying so.
The other has pointed out she is the founding member of
Elk Konnected, LLC .
She is also a staff member of the
LLC that they pay with our tax dollars.
Hum! I wonder how that affects her salary at that company in Leoti?
Nearly a year ago
Elk Konnected, LLC held what they called a Community Meeting and the first thing they told us was, that the County Commissioners asked them to hold the meeting to find out how the population of Elk County wished to spend the million dollars the county would be receiving annually from the wind farm.
Well folks seeing as
Elk Konnected, LLC has two Konnected County Commissioners on the Board, didn't Elk Konnected, LLC actually ask themselves to hold that so called Community Meeting?
In retrospect/hindsight I see that meeting as their first attempt at taking control of those funds.
Just think about that for a minute.
Think about the Circle of Chairs
Think about the control of
Elk Konnected, LLC at their Company Meeting, which they called a
Community Meeting.Think about the fact of how
Elk Konnected, LLC told you what to think and how to think.
Think about the fact that they told you where to sit and who to sit with.
Think about the fact that they told you that, you could not set by your wife/husband, your friend, your neighbor. That is almost total control in itself isn't it?
Think about the fact of how they may have controlled you by peer group pressure. Is it possible they had a facilitator in several if not all the circles?
Think about how they had the sheriff's deputies standing by to throw anyone out, that did not abide by their control mechanism's.
Also, consider the fact that there is no documentation for that meeting except for the first page of this thread, that I can find?
Do you know of any documentation?
If so, how about providing it right here on this forum, please?
Now consider this, please.
When
Elk Konnected, LLC has gone before the
Konnected County Commissioners asking for a handout, aren't they simply asking themselves, to vote to give themselves a handout of your tax dollars?
And the
Konnected County Commissioners held and still hold the majority vote, don't they?
They also recommended that the County hire a Youth Development employee and the
Konnected County Commissioners held the majority vote again, right?
There would really be no justification for the third County Commissioner to vote against them would there? I really have no idea how the third County Commissioner voted, but I don't see where it would have made any difference if he were to vote no, do you?
Our one and only
NON-Elk Konnected County Commissioner Mr. Ritz has tried at the last several meetings to get the board to discuss this money ... with no response. The other Commissioners are
Konnected, right?
Mr. Ritz the only
NON-Elk KonnectedCounty Commissioner (at the last meeting) suggested a percentage distribution of the money for property tax relief, road improvement materials, debt reduction and pay adjustments for some county employees (he even gave the percentages)... again there was no real response concerning his suggestions from Hendricks or Liebau.... not even really discussed it.
No co-operation from the
Konnected County Commissioners, not even a discussion.
Are you getting the picture?
Hendricks when asked directly about her ideas.... no answer.
What does that mean?
Not until
Elk Konnected, LLC is ready?
Does that mean
Konnected Visionaries weren't ready?
Does that mean that the
Progressive Forward Thinking Konnected folks weren't ready?
How many people are actually
Konnected?Not very many as far as I can ascertain?
I can only find five people listed on their
steering committee board and
one other listed separately.
And I can't find anyone listed on any of their other panels called action teams/
They claim there is
no membership, what's with that?
So with only
6 people and
no membership, it appears the only thing they have going is the
POWER of being
County Commissioners and
School Board Members, does it seem the same way to you?
And considering the fact that they
failed at running their own business, the Wellness Center and sold it, they failed, didn't they?
Do you want them making immediate decisions on how this $850,000 should be spent?
And some More to think about:
Do you think the money from the wind farm will burn a hole in the county's coffers?
Do you really want
Elk Konnected, LLC as
Konnected County Commissioners to have further control of the county's coffers (purse strings), and making decisions for you the taxpayer?
They will listen to your suggestions, that doesn't mean they will
use those suggestions?
Just like, I don't expect you to follow these suggestions.
I would hope you will
make up your own mind and make your own decisions.It has been documented on this thread how the
Konnected County Commissioners have
abused the county resources, hasn't it?
Remember, how they
abused the County Emergency Call system, right?
And other things as well, haven't they?
Remember how they
abused the County Web site, until called on it?
Now they are using the School Districts resources, which I thought was for the education of our children. I didn't know it was open for
privately owned companies to use whenever they want, while all the
taxpayers foot the bill for them, did you? Oh, that's right the
President of the School Board is related to
Elk Konnected, LLC isn't he?
How many other School Board members are
Konnected?Are these really good neighbors and citizens, is this the expected behavior of good neighbors and citizens?
If your next door neighbor came over and used your garage and your computer and your personal web site and your telephone just whenever he wanted to, would you consider that to be a good neighbor?
It's already paid for, you paid for it so it must be free. So, he just walks in and starts using it, now that's a really good deal for your neighbor isn't it.
Maybe your neighbor might walk in and use your child's cell phone or computer, that's got to be okay, right?
He or she is a good neighbor, ri ::)ht?
But don't you dare go to that neighbors house with out expecting to pay to use their exercise equipment.
No, no way.
It's just fair because they have an
LLC.I believe that our county government and school district elected officials should stop funding a privately owned
Limited Liability Company (LLC's) or any organization that funds such a company, with taxpayers money.
Don't you?
Shouldn't they leave the money's and resources for use by
real and
actual communities and the
children's education. And not for fabricated and imagined or fictitious communities.
No matter how many times, they say the money is not taxpayers money, and that it is something different, the money belongs to all taxpayers, voters and citizens of this county, because it is in the county taxpayers coffers.
And any and all moneys in the county coffers are property of all taxpayers, voters and citizens, and
you are the taxpayers, voters and citizens in this county, right?
All taxpayers, citizens and voters have a say.
Truthfully simple, isn't it?Do you think that money from the wind farm needs to be spent immediately?
How about considering, let the money set in the bank until after the County Commissioners Election is held?
How about considering, let the money accrue some interest at least that long?
But, I doubt that will even be considered, because
some people have plans for that money.
You don't need my permission to ignore this whole thread, if that is what you choose to do, and you have my blessings if you do so. This is just my thoughts, my opinions about the present situation in Elk County, and that is all there is to it.
Would you, as a taxpayer, citizen and voter like a
Participatory County Government? Where you the taxpayer are actually a
participate?Show up and tell the Commissioners tomorrow, that's easy enough, isn't it.
I'd suggest that you let the County Commissioners know, by showing up at this meeting.
Tomorrow 1:00 PM County Court House, try to be there. I'm going to try to be there.
Tell them to wait until after the elections to spend the wind farm money's.
Or not.
Your decision.Thanks for reading this.
Talk is good as long as it is not an illusion, and you are not allowed to escape from it.But if the talk is simply an illusion repeatedly pushed on you it is not good talk.
I only offer my opinion and suggest you ignore it. See, no illusion.
And I usually ask questions, that receive no real answers.Elk County Commissioner Meeting
When: Mar 12, 2012 TOMORROW
1:00 pm Where: Elk County Courthouse
Commissioners Room But, I suspect if enough people show up they may move to a court room.
Again Really?
What do I know?
Very little that's why all the questions!
Win, Win, Win
Maybe?
I have been asked, what I would suggest to bring people into the area to increase population.
Well, I can't really come up with anything new, that hasn't been tried before and I don't have any
visionaries. I can only offer what I have read about many years ago.
But, I sure wouldn't give tax breaks or special advantages to the wealthy that already live here.
That is simply a "Beggar-They-Neighbor" Plan.
If the county is truly interested in
population growth and
attracting people to the community there is a program that has been used by other communities that were desperate for grow population as well. The community would make available a lot (a small piece of property) available
to a family with children for free, with conditions. The conditions were to build a house on the lot with-in a year and 5 years with no property tax. The idea was to grow the population and to increase the
student enrollment in the local school district.
Why?
Because each
child increased the monies collected by the school district from the state and after five years the county, the school district and the city started receiving more property tax.
This would also improve the local merchants profits by each and every new family and the spending of money at their local stores.
A win for the new family.
A win for the community and local stores by having a new family, adding more spending money to the local economy.
A win for the school district by adding children to the enrollment.
A win for the school district by adding another taxpayer.
A win for the county by adding another taxpayer.
A win for the town they move into by adding another taxpayer.
And most of all
not a
"Beggar-They-Neighbor" Plan.
That provides for those people that may not have school age children.
After all aren't
children the essential key to overall growth, aren't they?
Perhaps, this idea could be explored and studied?
Perhaps even study the idea of providing a vacant home at wholesale with stipulation's of fixing up and repairing.
That would eliminate a vacant home that would probably disintegrate un-occupied, or be vandalized, or could be moved into by some homeless person, right? None of which would be good for the neighborhood?
This could be discussed and changed in various ways to attract family's with children.
If attracting family's with children and increasing the population is the actual goal.
Thanks again for reading this.This is strictly my personal opinion and thoughts and questions nothing more? Don't forget the Elk County Commissioners Meeting When: TOMORROW 1:00 PM Where: Elk County Courthouse in Howard.
Where does the community get the lots to sell to the new residents?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 11, 2012, 09:45:40 AM
Where does the community get the lots to sell to the new residents?
Good Morning Diane,
As I said to be discussed.
It has been done by other communities.
Ross,
Eureka has a similar program. BUT the only problem is that it is so restrictive that no one will be able to afford to comply with all the restrictions. I also know of folks that have been screwed by the PTB in eureka and their land was siezed after improvements were made. They changed the rules after they improved the property thereby disqualifying all their improvements and by not complying legally with the rules aka valid improvements they were forfeit on their property.
This leaves the only thing that is sensible in this day and age as well as when adams children started bartering and trading amongst themselves. Something from nothing = nothing.
Quote from: Ross on March 11, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
Really?
If the county is truly interested in
population growth and
attracting people to the community there is a program that has been used by other communities that were desperate for grow population as well. The community would make available a lot (a small piece of property) available
to a family with children for free, with conditions. The conditions were to build a house on the lot with-in a year and 5 years with no property tax. The idea was to grow the population and to increase the
student enrollment in the local school district.
Why?
Because each
child increased the monies collected by the school district from the state and after five years the county, the school district and the city started receiving more property tax.
This would also improve the local merchants profits by each and every new family and the spending of money at their local stores.
A win for the new family.
A win for the community and local stores by having a new family, adding more spending money to the local economy.
A win for the school district by adding children to the enrollment.
A win for the school district by adding another taxpayer.
A win for the county by adding another taxpayer.
A win for the town they move into by adding another taxpayer.
And most of all
not a
"Beggar-They-Neighbor" Plan.
That provides for those people that may not have school age children.
After all aren't
children the essential key to overall growth, aren't they?
Well, it was just a thought.
Quote from: Ross on March 11, 2012, 09:14:05 PM
Well, it was just a thought.
A lot of cities in kansas have been pushing this for years but its pretty much been a scam. Usually these folks end up with a massive burden of debt. Its like back in the 80's when denver colorado started selling houses that were vacant in the area, to people for pennies on the dollar. Well what they didn't disclose to them was the massive debt incurred by bonds on those proerties for teh streets and lights. The city encombered the properties with so much debt that it made the houses tax liability more than a normal house note every month. Most of those folks lost bigtime.
When perusing any government offer like this, caveat emptor! 9 out of 10 times you'll lose.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 12, 2012, 12:20:25 AM
A lot of cities in kansas have been pushing this for years but its pretty much been a scam. Usually these folks end up with a massive burden of debt. Its like back in the 80's when denver colorado started selling houses that were vacant in the area, to people for pennies on the dollar. Well what they didn't disclose to them was the massive debt incurred by bonds on those proerties for teh streets and lights. The city encombered the properties with so much debt that it made the houses tax liability more than a normal house note every month. Most of those folks lost bigtime.
When perusing any government offer like this, caveat emptor! 9 out of 10 times you'll lose.
That jsut sux big time. Than ks for the heads up.
I couldn't help it.
How's this for an economic development situation?
State Ignores Financial Damage of Smoking Ban
Proponents of the statewide smoking ban approved by the
2010 Kansas Legislature said businesses would not be appreciably harmed by the ban.
But a growing body of evidence and experience from Kansas and other states shows they were wrong.
Anything for a buck, right?
Will they reverse their ruling on the statewide smoking ban for economic development?
It sure is a beautiful day for eating crow.
My apology's folks.
Nothing happened at the Elk County Commissioners meeting today as far as discussing the
reported $850 G's from the initial start up of the wind farm.
Perhaps because one of the Elk Konnected County Commissioners was not there, I don't know?
There appears some kind of problem getting road work done by the wind farm since the project has finished.
I have a hearing loss problem and even with hearing aids it is difficult for me to hear every word they are saying.
So, I apologize for that as well.
A member of the audience helped keep the Commissioners straight on the request for a recess to go to executive session. Which was politely handled. And consequently followed the Kansas open meeting rules. See working together does help.
I hope everyone enjoyed this beautiful day.
Thanks for going to the meeting, Ross. I wish I could.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on March 12, 2012, 06:42:39 PM
Thanks for going to the meeting, Ross. I wish I could.
Janet, you are quite welcome.
I just recieved a card in the mail which I guess could be considered
Economic Development for Columbus, Ohio, see what you think.
It says
Government Assisted Cellular Service:
Free Cellular Phone with 250 minutes also
free and rollover minutes.
What a deal.
They state you must be recieving at least one of the following to qualify:
Food Stamps
Medicaid
Free Lunch
Section 8 public housing assistance
Bureau of Indian affaotherirs general assistance
Headstart (tribal programs)
Triabbly Administered free school lunch programIt has a self certification form attached.
I assume that is for ease of application.
Postage paid return card. Wow, when do you ever see postage paid these days.
Application can be accomplished on line as well at www.callrow.com .
See, I did not make this up.
It is a
fact.I would call it anther
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, Economic Program? on a grand scale.
What would you call it?
After all the
merchant is
bound to make tons of money and it brings that home to his community, doesn't it?
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, Economic Program?
Good for the merchant, not so good for the taxpayers, right?
Let's throw in some specialized property tax breaks fo a few special people just to top it off, how does that sound?
That's fair to the rest of the taxpayers, that pay the highest property taxes in the state, right?
If and When the time comes to vote, vote yes, if you like this idea of "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"
As always it's your choice.
Some like to think that we vote to see who gets what from the government.
That's the "democracy" side of socialism. With a win, it's a politcal victory so to speak - over your time, money and efforts or
we could say it's a political victory over your liberty - the democratic way to have victory over liberty.
It might not be very "republican" to have a free government cell phone, however republicans do like government
financed or supported WindPower, ethanol. cars, banks and Elk Konnected. Any Republicans looking for a government grant?
Keep up the good work there, Ross.
A TSA a security program or an Economic Development/"Beggar Thy Neighbor" program?
Look at all those tax dollars brought in to each community, it helps the economy doesn't it?
Infographic: The TSA's 'Grope And Pillage' Operation
http://www.mediaite.com/online/infographic-the-tsas-grope-and-pillage-operation/
Personally, I think there are far to many wasteful
Economic Development/"Beggar Thy Neighbor" programs
don't you?
The free phone program started before Pres.Obama was in office. You can blame congress, FCC, for that one. Check out Link Up and Lifeline for the history and details. The money comes from a pool of phone providers.
It's bit like what many hospitals do.They add to every paying customer's bill to help pay for those who don't pay.
Let's blame the Democrats, Republicans, independents and others who take our liberties to benefit their people
and thus receive the votes and support of the beneficiaries for their own gain - their financiial gain.
They are certainly free to give their own money to charity.
Then blame the business people who started the programs.They can take it off their own taxes.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 14, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Then blame the business people who started the programs.They can take it off their own taxes.
No Diane, we should blame ourselves for allowing ourselves to be hoodwinked.
That's what
Econoimc Development "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" is all about.
The more money they (commerce/business) can make off of taxes the better.
And everyone else pays for it, right?
Like privately owned bussiness with LLC"s to protect theselves and their possessions, right?
The business's already have a lobbying organization of sort's don't they? The Chamber of Commerce?
A local association to promote and protect the interests of the business community in a particular place.
An association of businesspersons and merchants for the promotion of commercial interests in the community.
To what degree?
Cheatiing the county, which means every taxpayer, by them not paying their fair share of taxes?
If someone is starting a business and needs to use our resources, Economic Development Employee,
but only on the basis of keeping their activity and who they are secret,
because they don't want anyone to know,
in the event they fail in thier business,
apparently they have already failed.
Something is really wrong?
Something really stinks in Denmark?
Or are we being lied to?
It is again a
Beggar-Thy-Neighbor Program, can't you see that?
Do we need more
Beggar-Thy-Neighbor Programs?
Where is the honesty and openness and transparency in Government right here at home, locally?
We can never get it on the National Level is we can't get it here at home in the very heart of the country, now can we.
Just like the organization Elk Konnected, LLC starting out as a supposed open community organization, which held community meetigs based on County Commissioners asking them to do so. But two of three County Commissioners are Konnected, so they asked themselves, right?
Where is the honesty in that?
But in fact the LLC held what I considered a scam, they controlled every single move of everyone that showed up.
Telling people not to sit with their spouse, their friend, their neighbor --- total control of small circles of chair of people in clearly unusual circumstances for easy manipulation uknknown to them.
Then the organization becomes an LLC, supposedly to protect themselves from anyone attending their functions that might get hurt and want to sue them. Really, I don't believe that either. Couldn't it be so they could have their meetings and book work kept secret? I mean a bunch of pages back the number $85,000 was discussed right here on theis forum. And since then they have sold their only actual business I have ever heard of. The Wellness Center, they failed to be able to run it and got out of the business as I understand it. And I bet they didn't give it away, but we probably won't ever know for how much, because they are a private business, right?
How many private business do you think get money from the Elk County Government to pay their obligations to another privately owned business?
How many Diane, how many?
How many other privately owned business do you think get money from the Elk County government to rent giant wet blow up slipper slides to use at festivals to advertise their business?
How many Diane, how many?
How many other privately owned business have two County Commissioners on the Elk County Commissioners Board of three Commissioners?
How many Diane, how many?
People across the country are upset about Companies, Corporate Ammerica controlling our country's Government, and yet we have it happening right here in Elk County, in my opinion?
Elk Konnected, LLc wanted a Youth Development and Economic Development employee and the Konnected Commissioners voted to get one. Oh did I mention she is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering Committee. And on in this thread it has been pointed out that she appears to do more work for Elk Konnected, LLC then for the County Government, is that a good thing?
Uh, I thought we had been talking about those free phones? How did EK get into it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 14, 2012, 12:29:54 PM
Then blame the business people who started the programs.They can take it off their own taxes.
Why blame capitalists for doing what we expect capitalists to do.... sell products by any legal means available... let's blame whining liberal/moderate politicians for subsidizing these programs with public funds. They are elected to provide certain constitutionally defined functions... as a public trust. Government isn't there to provide every luxury that any special interest segment of the population 'thinks' they have a right to..... cell phones, computers, birth control, after school movies, etc.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 14, 2012, 02:30:49 PM
Uh, I thought we had been talking about those free phones? How did EK get into it?
Durn near the whole thread is about Elk Konnected, LLC one way or another.
Haven't you noticed during some 355 pages?
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"
Ross ,you brought the phones up yourself..or is this your private thread to do with as you choose? ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 14, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
Ross ,you brought the phones up yourself..or is this your private thread to do with as you choose? ;)
Perhaps not really private... but did you notice who started this thread? :o
Then again... have you noticed the gaggle of self-declared peace loving moderates/tolerance preachers who have tried desperately to shut it down (or have it forcefully shut down in the background)... for almost a year.
Maybe Ross is at liberty to say anything he darn well pleases.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 14, 2012, 04:00:06 PM
Ross ,you brought the phones up yourself..or is this your private thread to do with as you choose? ;)
No Diane, it 's not my property!
I came across poorly and I apologize for that.
It wasn't about the phones, it was about
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor.Cellphones are not a Necessity, they are a luxury. Especially if you can;t afford to buy a loaf of bread.
Once again it was not about the cellphone or the poor people that can not afford to buy and pay the monthly bill.
It was more about Economic Development which, I refer to as
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor..
My opinion nothing more.
While some organizations are sucking blood as Beggar-Thy-Neighbor
other highly respected organizations are doing it in another way and it's all related to greed in my opinion.
Why do we treat each other so rudely. GREED! Again my personal opinion.
Goldman Sachs exec resigns and takes aim at bank _ says colleagues called clients 'muppets'
NEW YORK (AP) — Goldman Sachs, arguably the most storied investment bank on Wall Street, has been compared to a money-sucking vampire squid and called the evil empire of finance.
at:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/nationworld/sns-bc-us--goldmansachs-manifesto,0,3086418.story
and at:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2012/03/14/crisis-experts-the-damage-to-goldman-is-piling-up/
They are already calling the man that said the bad things a disgrunttled employee, that is normal Public Relations action.
They didn't fire him, he fired them.
Back to the basics of this thread..... Please stay to the end for some new information.
This thread started out by considering a facilitated (read guided) 'public' meeting regarding suggested uses of the PILOT money to be received by Elk County as a result of the Caney River Windfarm project and the presentation of 'suggestions' coming out of that meeting to our county commission.
We considered the obvious appearances of impropriety that came about as a result. The problems that seem obvious to some when a private company, owned in part by an elected official, runs a private meeting, creates a list of 'objectives', and then lobbies the very government board on which the elected official sits... presenting the outcomes of their 'meeting' as a consensus of the public. (I suggest the biggest of Big Ideas was how to pull the wool over the eyes of the voters, taxpayers and citizens and fleece them to ultimately accomplish a private agenda)
We learned that the meeting in question was, in fact, a privately run meeting and not an open public forum. It was, in fact, a private community organization stunt managed by highly trained experts designed to pick the brains of unwitting citizens and then tell those citizens what they agreed to.... all with no open vote on any suggestions. We also learned that this 'meeting' process is a well documented manipulation technique used to control outcomes in both the public and private sectors.
We've observed that this same private company who ran this 'meeting' (and members of that company's steering committee) solicit public funds and receive those funds as a direct result of the vote of the very elected official who is a part owner (and self proclaimed founder) of that same company.
We've listened as a second elected official repeatedly touted their personal support (financial and otherwise) for this same company and then also repeatedly vote officially to give public funds and official support to that private entity.
As time passed, we saw a county employee (who also sits on the steering committee of that private company) print private company fliers and materials on county owned copiers (at no cost to the company), and then distribute those materials across the county during county work hours. Then, to ad insult to injury, possibly claim mileage expenses from public funds for those activities. We see the office of that employee plastered with promotional materials for that same private company. Is it the Elk County Courthouse or the Elk Konnected Kourthouse?
We see that these county personnel receive wages/salaries and generous paid health insurance benefits all paid with public funds.
We've seen meetings run by this private company receive armed security provided by the county sheriff and/or his deputies all at taxpayer expense. Real, well assessed, threats or fear on the part of people with something to hide or guilty consciences?
We've ultimately heard members of this private group apparently admit that they used public funds they received to help pay for membership dues to another, non-local, community organizing organization (also a private company). They even solicited and received public funds from town councils explicitly tor this purpose.
We've seen a county employee solicit grant monies from a private foundation, in the county's name, for the explicit use of this same private company owned/managed in part by these very same elected officials/employees.
We noted that the leadership of this private company cross political lines. In a political sense, they are truly bipartisan.
We have even noticed the familial relationships that seem to exist between many of the owners/leaders of this private entity.
The ends, no matter how good the original intent, doesn't always justify the means.
Now, after all the hoopla, we see that the PILOT money is coming.... soon. Over $800,000 to be used as the county sees fit. And where do our elected commissioners go to get input regarding use of the biggest financial windfall to ever hit Elk County? Official public hearings? Nope. A public referendum on the ballot? Nope. Public town hall meetings held by elected officials in their respective districts? Nope. Advertised solicitation of public desire by mail or phone? Nope.
Where's the first place two of our elected officials go for official input as to the best use of the money? They ask about a half dozen county supervisors for written suggestions.... a couple of whom neither live, vote nor pay taxes here.
Dammit all people.... once it hits the bank, it's YOUR MONEY! So talk at home, talk at the cafe, talk in the field, talk at work, talk at the sale barn, talk at church. But ultimately..... talk to those who will spend your money.
It's YOUR county, and it's YOUR government. Elections are a ways off yet, and this money will be long since spent by then. So maybe it's time to stand up and be heard! BEFORE the money's all spent on some new county building we really don't need but must maintain, or some tax giveaway that benefits only a few, or some feel good/look pretty project that won't provide anything of substance to the taxpayers and voters.
Call or write your county representative today and tell them the people want to speak and be listened to.
Here's their contact information: http://www.elkcounty.org/commissioners.htm (http://www.elkcounty.org/commissioners.htm)
I totally support every word that Patriot has said as gospel truth.
Good post Patriot.
Every bit of it is pointed out throughout this thread.
The very few Elk Konnected followers that have spoke against us, have even threatened me with a law suit in this thread, in hopes of frightening me for telling the truth.
Yes, everyone needs to be talking to each other and letting the County Commissioners know what they want them to do.
Yes, my posts on this thread have been openly called
"VILE", in the County Commissioners Meeting, why?
In an attempt to embarrass me by Commissioner Liebau, an attempt to shut me up.
They don't want you to know you have a say.
Because then they would have to listen.
I would hope if they heard from enough of you or saw a showing of a large number of people at the County Commissioners meetings that there would be some form of return to ethics in County Government.
This is for all taxpayers, voters and citizens of Elk County.
You do have a right, a responsibility to speak and be heard.
YOU Tell them no more talk of
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.YOU Tell them what you want them to do with the windfall of $850,000.
No matter what name they put on the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.Or sit back and watch the money used for the wrong things and watch your property taxes grow larger due to
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
It is up to each and everyone of us to speak up.
Do you really think you all will ever agree on what to do with the money?
As far as the people who attend those meetings, why do you assume they don't already know when and how to have a voice. People who attend such meetings at all usually know how it works or they don't bother going. Not everyone speaks or raises heck. Some just listen quietly until it's time to vote. Their ballot is their voice.
To Ross and Patriot:
Since you two are clearly the two most outspoken parties on this thread, I have a few simple questions for both of you. How would you propose the PILOT money be spent? What would be your top 5 priorities, in order? Since you're convinced that the commissioners closely read and follow this thread, why not use it to let them know what you would like them to do with the money. We've heard a great deal about all the ways you think they shouldn't spend it, so what are your positive suggestions? Just asking.
Quote from: ddurbin on March 15, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
To Ross and Patriot:
Since you two are clearly the two most outspoken parties on this thread, I have a few simple questions for both of you. How would you propose the PILOT money be spent? What would be your top 5 priorities, in order? Since you're convinced that the commissioners closely read and follow this thread, why not use it to let them know what you would like them to do with the money. We've heard a great deal about all the ways you think they shouldn't spend it, so what are your positive suggestions? Just asking.
Thank you for asking. I must, at this time, however, defer to the need for the people of this county to be better informed and given an opportunity to be heard. What I, singularly, might like to be done with that money is secondary, in my opinion, to the failure of our elected officials to inform and solicit input from their constituents. My commissioner is well aware of what my preferences would be. I have no doubt that he'll take that, the input of his other constituents, and solid common sense into account when the time comes. If you really want my personal views, message me privately. I'll not waste reader time with them here.
If you think this thread has been primarily about what should be done with the PILOT money, you're sorely mistaken. This thread has been about the backroom agendas and methods employed by a few to see their special dreams and desires fulfilled. Mostly at taxpayer expense. It's about the use of government resources by a privately own company. It's about what is clearly nothing but an oligarchy. It's about informing the general public that what I have heard many of them saying privately is not a figment of their imagination, but a reality that needs to be openly confronted and changed. It's about public employees who have been so poorly managed that they, too, have resigned themselves to simple survival in a dysfunctional system rather than express excellence in duty. In short, it's about the continuing process that has resulted in a shrinking and aging population with no clear vision that produces results. And it's about heads in the sand that allow that all to continue.
Our kids are still leaving, our property tax rates are the highest in Kansas, our seniors are dying off, our infrastructure is crumbling and we're being told by a few ideologues that movies after school, summer day camps for kids and historical status for a crumbling courthouse with a high dollar roof, or worse, a 5 million dollar school building or a new health center/fire barn are the answers to our challenges. Well to that, I say hogwash. Eventually, too many lollipops will rot your teeth and give you a bellyache.
So my personal views about PILOT money use are dwarfed by the need for the rest of the community to be awakened from their slumber, be informed, be consulted and be served by government... not serve only as the money machine for government. But, again, thanks for asking.
For any who may not know...
ol·i·gar·chy
noun \ˈä-lə-ˌgär-kē, ˈō-\ plural ol·i·gar·chies
Definition of OLIGARCHY
1: government by the few
2: a government in which a small group exercises control especially for corrupt and selfish purposes; also : a group exercising such control
3: an organization under oligarchic control
Source: Webster's Dictionary
Oh wow. I could have bet money on that answer and I'd have won. :angel: Duck and cover! If I didn't know better I'd have sworn you were a lawyer stating the obvious.. and so humble too. Don't get excited. I'm just exercising my free speech and funnin' with ya. 8)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 15, 2012, 04:13:12 PM
Oh wow. I could have bet money on that answer and I'd have won. :angel: Duck and cover! If I didn't know better I'd have sworn you were a lawyer stating the obvious.. and so humble too. Don't get excited. I'm just exercising my free speech and funnin' with ya. 8)
No problem. Though I wouldn't describe the response as duck and cover. The offer to message me about my opinions on PILOT money use was right there for all to see. Now, you just be sure to bring your Kansas issued photo ID when you come to vote in the next Elk County election, OK? .... Oh, wait! You don't vote here, do you? Oh well..... :)
Quote from: ddurbin on March 15, 2012, 01:45:14 PM
To Ross and Patriot:
Since you two are clearly the two most outspoken parties on this thread, I have a few simple questions for both of you. How would you propose the PILOT money be spent? What would be your top 5 priorities, in order? Since you're convinced that the commissioners closely read and follow this thread, why not use it to let them know what you would like them to do with the money. We've heard a great deal about all the ways you think they shouldn't spend it, so what are your positive suggestions? Just asking.
My suggestion wouldn't fly, but here it is.
Put the money aside until after elections.
Let it draw interest and be patient and move cautiously.
Have plenty of actual and real open meeting to talk with the real community of Elk County.
Why?
Board.
Perhaps after the elections we won't have an Elk Konnected, LLC
Majority Controlled County Commissioners Board.
Let's put some real thought into versus a few imaginary visionary's of some privately owned company.
You asked. That's my suggestion and my opinion?
Thank you for asking.
I love how both Patriot and Ross totally avoided the question.
Can't give any alternative ideas in public because then people might be able to attack their ideas just as they have attacked any and everything that the forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County have tried or would like to try to create actual positive change to the Elk County economic situation.
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
Speaking of hypocrisy. You complain that we attack and then you attack. But you attack us personally, while we confront local government. Very left wing of you. And who are these 'forward thinkers' you keep mentioning? You? Your family?
We don't really see you standing up for the rights & needs of the citizenry at large. We only see you defending the non-producing plans of the few and trying to maintain the status quo. Heck, just drive our roads, study the county budget and read the last census to see what your forward thinkers have produced over the last 10 years. Come to think of it, we haven't heard your plans either.
As for my views in public... get off your couch and regularly attend the county commission meetings. I do. If you ever choose to do so, be sure to introduce yourself. Most there have no doubt who I am.... or what I stand for.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
I love how both Patriot and Ross totally avoided the question.
Can't give any alternative ideas in public because then people might be able to attack their ideas just as they have attacked any and everything that the forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County have tried or would like to try to create actual positive change to the Elk County economic situation.
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
Since it appears that you failed to read my response, here it is again quoted from just above your post.
I hope that helps you out.
Hey, Patriot. I don't vote there, but you'd be surprised how many votes I could influence if I put my mind to it. I know a right good many folks who have nothing to do with the forum, but will most likely be voting.
There are some who deeply resent being called "sheeple," because they do think for themselves, and others who don't care for the attitude that if they don't all lock step with a certain way of thinking they are stupid.
"Different" is some times just a matter of free thinking and looking at things from a different direction.
I have no interest in messing around with it, but don't ever sell me short. :-* Ha!
Perhaps I'll contact your three commissioners myself and see what they have in mind for that money that would benefit all.
Do you think the little towns would ever agree on anything? What about the rural people?
Quote from: evanstrail on March 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
I love how both Patriot and Ross totally avoided the question.
Can't give any alternative ideas in public because then people might be able to attack their ideas just as they have attacked any and everything that the forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County have tried or would like to try to create actual positive change to the Elk County economic situation.
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
There is that very vague remark again,
"forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County".
Apparently they don't exist, they don't have names, why? Because they don't exist, just like the visionaries, right?
Or as an
Elk Konnected, LLC follower is that who ypu are referring to?
The privately owned company thar says they have no members or Board of Directors. Yet, thy have a Steering Committtee.
And it's purpose I feel is identical toa Board of Directors.
And you know, I just read a pretty good definition of a Board of Directors which I feel pretty much explains the same purpose of a Steering Committee. Check it out. I don't take any credit for this quote.
"A board of directors is a body of elected or appointed members who oversee the activities of a company or organization. In most cases it can require very little involvement in the day-to-day functioning of the governed entity, but it is typically always staffed with individuals vested in the best interest of the company or organization."The only differenc appears that the Steering Committee is self appointed and is shrinking. But still beg for money from the county and are approved by the Elk Konnected County Commissioners.
Are these the
"forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County" you are talking about?
The people with the imaginary Elk konnected Community?
Rhe people with lots of visionaries that have failed in so many things, are those the ones you are referring to?
Enlighten us please.
Quote from: Ross on March 15, 2012, 06:22:14 PM
Are these the "forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County" you are talking about?
The forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County that I have often referred to in the past are those who have a vision of what they want the future of the county to be and have the positive energy and tenacity to work towards that vision, failing to be influenced by the always negative, closed-minded naysayers who have no vision and present no ideas of their own.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
The forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County that I am referring to are those who have a vision of what they want the future of the county to be and have the positive energy and tenacity to work towards that vision, failing to be influenced by the always negative, closed-minded naysayers who have no vision and present no ideas of their own.
I gotta ask, what happened to that post about influencing all those people's vote's even though you don't live here?
It also referred to sheeple's.
Why was it deleted?
Or can you point me to it?
Was that you or evanstrail that made that remark?
And now it's gone, weird.
But I think I understand why it disappeared, because you foresaw this coming, Right?
What are sheeple's? In my opinion they are people that have their thinking influenced by the likes of you. This is for who ever made the remark. They will vote as you tell them to vote instead of assessing the situation for themselves and making up their own mind's. So bring out your sheeples, it did not work with the school bond issue did it? There were not enough of your sheeples for that one was there?
Are those
"forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County" you so often speak of the same people you were referring to, that are easily influenced by you?
Your sheeples?To me there seems to be a fervor for ever more tax cuts for the wealthy, paid for on the backs of the taxpayer.
I have long felt the purpose of an organization, it is to create a mutually beneficial relationship between itself and those that it serves. But if it serves no one, but itself as a privately owned business, an LLC, that perhaps it should stay out of the local governments, i.e. School Board and County Commissioners. The School Board and the County Commissioners are the people whose job is to serve all the people of the county, not a private organization.The School Board is should be more interested in serving the children of the county by providing the very best education possible, not the best Taj Mahal possible.
"Poor man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be King/And a King ain't satisfied till he RULES everything," Bruce Springsteen 1970's.
Not me, I am comfortably poor and happy.
I sincerely believe, that privately owned institutions that involve themselves in government are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending taxpayers money to be paid by prosperity, under the name of funding, is but swindling taxpayers.
From the small high school coach to the Vatican, plenty of so called leaders and highly respected members of the community overstep their boundaries, and show a lack of ethics. That goes for so called
"forward-thinking, open-minded people" working behind closed doors.rol of the money
by the way once again I did make a suggestion that you
FAIL to recognize.
Once again I will repeat myself for your benefit.
Let the money sit in the bank drawing interest until after elections and then perhaps we won't have an Elk Konnected County Commissioners Board which appears to lack the ethics not to vote on their own requests as requested through Elk Konnected, LLC. That's as I see ti, but I'm sure you don't as a Follower, right?
But the few of you Elk Konnected Followers don't like that idea do you?
You afraid you would lose control of the money, right?
If not say you are willing to let the money draw some interest for awhile, until after election of the County Commissioners Board and they are installed?
Can you make that statement and commitment?
Or is that perhaps why Elk Konnected, LLC came about?
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 06:55:02 PM
The forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County that I have often referred to in the past are those who have a vision of what they want the future of the county to be and have the positive energy and tenacity to work towards that vision, failing to be influenced by the always negative, closed-minded naysayers who have no vision and present no ideas of their own.ary friends
And they remain invisible, unknow, nameless. So they must be imaginary, right?
And I suppose your calling us (non-imaginary people that are out here communicating) names proves something?
In my opinion that is just blantant, arrogant ignorance and is unbecoming, don't you think?
After all I tell people to think for themselves and to ignore anything I post here and that it is just my opinion.
I don't make any radical claims to having a bunch of invisible
visionaries or wizards or magicians or invisible or imaginiary people or any other type of thing of that nature, now do I?
And I guess I am suppose to really believe in these invisible forward-thinking, open-minded people that are full of positive energy and tenacity to work towards an unexplained vision? Right?
Don't they just want to control our government? And control the windfall from the windfarm?
Ross, the post that you claim disappeared was written by Diane and it is still here, reply #3569.
And the forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County are all around you Ross. You pass them on the roads, you meet them on the sidewalk, you sit next to them in the cafes, you spend money in their businesses. They are employers and employees, students and retirees, baby-boomers and Gen X'ers, etc. In short, the vast majority of Elk Countians.
The fact that they may not be as vocal (in person & in cyberspace) as you and Patriot are on this thread does not mean they are invisible or imaginary, and nearly all of them do not claim to be wizards or magicians.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 08:35:44 PM
Ross, the post that you claim disappeared was written by Diane and it is still here, reply #3569.
And the forward-thinking, open-minded people of Elk County are all around you Ross. You pass them on the roads, you meet them on the sidewalk, you sit next to them in the cafes, you spend money in their businesses. They are employers and employees, students and retirees, baby-boomers and Gen X'ers, etc. In short, the vast majority of Elk Countians.
The fact that they may not be as vocal (in person & in cyberspace) as you and Patriot are on this thread does not mean they are invisible or imaginary, and nearly all of them do not claim to be wizards or magicians.
Thanks for telling me where the post went, I'll check it out. Thanks again.
They are invisible or non-existant, because we don't hear or actually see them and their magnificent plan to save Elk County do we?
It must be a secret society then, right?
Do they have a secret hand shake, a secret wink?
Are they hiding because they are afraid they may fail?
Is it a plan for Elk County or a selfish plan for themselves?
None of what you say make any sense. Please enlighten all of us naysayers as you call us, turn us around to the wonder of it all. If that is at all possible, with some true facts.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
I'm sorry evanstrail that you have some kind of delusion that I have any followers?
I only speak for myself, I have no followers.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
Is that what it takes in your life, you have to be a follower?
Is that why you are an Elk konnected follower?
Do you really have to belong to a group?
You have my sincerest sympathies.
Quote from: evanstrail on March 15, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Just another example of the hypocrisy shown throughout the postings of these two individuals and their very small handful of actual followers.
I'm sorry evanstrail that you have some kind of delusion that I have any followers?
I only speak for myself, I have no followers.
I'm sorry to burst your bubble.
Is that what it takes in your life, you have to be a follower?
Is that why you are an Elk konnected follower?
Do you really have to belong to a group?
So it appears you are the only ones with a few followers or are the few followers, I ain't sure which.
Quote from: Ross on March 15, 2012, 08:52:02 PM
None of what you say make any sense. Please enlighten all of us naysayers as you call us, turn us around to the wonder of it all. If that is at all possible, with some true facts.
Ross, you wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you upside the head, as has repeatedly been made blatantly obvious by your reponses to and/or total disregard of facts previously presented by me and others on this thread and elsewhere on this Forum.
And since you posted some more of your gadflyish comments while I was typing . . .
I am reminded of an old saying. "Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
Since you claim to have no followers, then I guess you're not a leader. And since you've repeatedly chastised people for being followers, then I presume you are not a follower either.
So, I guess that means that you must be someone who needs to get out of the way.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 15, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
...There are some who deeply resent being called "sheeple," because they do think for themselves,...
If the shoe doesn't fit someone, then they shouldn't wear it. It wasn't made for them
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 15, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
and others who don't care for the attitude that if they don't all lock step with a certain way of thinking they are stupid.
I think I can relate to that. As this thread proves, I'm not one to fall into lockstep with some of the so called 'forward thinking' potentates addressed in this thread and I don't much care for the attitude expressed by those of you who have said or inferred that I'm stupid, inadequate, uncaring or unseeing because of my unwillingness to accept the dictates of a powerful few.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 15, 2012, 06:09:42 PM
Perhaps I'll contact your three commissioners myself and see what they have in mind for that money that would benefit all.
I do hope you will share your findings as two of our commissioners are quite non-specific when asked directly by the voters in public venues.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Ross, you wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you upside the head...gadflyish...get out of the way.
Must be really frustrating for a liberal leaning 'forward thinker' like yourself to be faced with independent conservatives who believe in well managed, transparent government and support individualism and liberty but will not cower & go away every time you yell "Boo!", or toss out personally directed pejoratives.
Oh well, c'est la vie. Welcome to the new conservatism, Mr. D. ;D
Wait.... I thought I just heard crosstimber. Naaah, must have been a ghost from Christmas past, or another victim of MPD.
Quote from: Patriot on March 15, 2012, 09:38:54 PM
Must be really frustrating for a liberal leaning 'forward thinker' like yourself to be faced with independent conservatives who believe in well managed, transparent government and support individualism and liberty but will not cower & go away every time you yell "Boo!", or toss out personally directed pejoratives.
Oh well, c'est la vie. Welcome to the new conservatism, Mr. D. ;D
That is the biggest problem in political discourse today. The reactionary right has hijacked the term conservative, because the term reactionary just didn't suit their cause.
Reactionary is to the right of the status quo line, meaning being in favor of regressive or backward-looking action. Conservative is just to the left of the status quo line, and is still in the realm of progressive, or forward-thinking action.
I have always been and will continue to be a moderate conservative, even if the reactionary right wants to call me a liberal.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:54:38 PM
I have always been and will continue to be a moderate conservative, even if the reactionary right wants to call me a liberal.
Continuing to be a shill for the looney left is your prerogative. You might, however, consider looking up the meaning of the root of conservative. That is 'conserve'. Just what is it you are trying to save and preserve with all your fear mongering and 'progressive' forward thinking.
Come to think of it, and speaking of wordsmithing, you might study the the roots of political progressivism... a term co-opted by socialists early in the 20th century when the public caught on to the socialist agenda. Disingenuous at best, dishonest at worst, and a threat to most American's liberty in any case.
I think Margaret Thatcher said (in paraphrase), The problem with socialism (progressivism/ moderate conservatism/forward-thinkerism) is that socialists eventually run out of other people's money.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:54:38 PM
I have always been and will continue to be a moderate conservative, even if the reactionary right wants to call me a liberal.
Flintauqua, I can't see you being anything else except a liberal. That's pretty much what the Republican party is all about and
you seem to fit that quite well.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Ross, you wouldn't recognize a fact if it hit you upside the head, as has repeatedly been made blatantly obvious by your reponses to and/or total disregard of facts previously presented by me and others on this thread and elsewhere on this Forum.
Actually I would recognize facts posted on this thread. The followers keep jumping from thread to thread in my opinion only to create confussion and to hide their remarks. Afraid to come forward. There have been no facts posted by the followers on this thread. They simply avoid doing so and using mis-direction with statements such as this. Or would you kindly point out some of those followers facts on this thread for everyone.
Don't be so ambiguous, please be precise. To simply say, "forward thinking, open-minded people that are full of positive energy and tenacity to work towards an unexplained vision is very even extremely ambiguous. Lacking any fact, just words, blowing smoke up our backsides.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
And since you posted some more of your gadflyish comments while I was typing . . .
A gadfly is a person who upsets the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or just being an irritant. The term has been used to describe many politicians and social commentators. What an attitude problem you show with the use of such a word.
I am glad, I could accomodate you. I am sorry that you don't believe in peoples right to question their government and those that give the appearance of inproprieties and lack of ethics. I am also sorry that you believe that only the arrogant should have a say in the local government.
However, I feel compelled to remind you that having only the arrogant thinking they rule, does not work and that was proven by the people concerning the District School Bond Issue failure.
You see, I believe each and every voter, taxpayer and citizen should have a say. I also believe each and every one of them is capable of thinking for themselves.
I don't believe they should be mis-lead by an organization that has abused Governments resources, and an organization that has been called on such abuses, or an organization that has failed at numerous endeavors.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
I am reminded of an old saying. "Lead, follow, or get out of the way."
That is another saying used by politicians to intimidate. It shows the intention to lead by ambiguity. It's like saying I can't think of
/ or show any real fact's, so I'm say with a statement like that, I'll try to make you look bad, well it doen't It doesn't always work. This time it actually
fails. You see, you are actually following me, I started this thread. You are also following others on this thread that have contributed meaningful open, honest dialog, versus your negative attitude and name calling and unwillingness to provide any facts.
Elk Konnected, LLC was represented on this thread by County Commissioner Hendricks, who has failed to return. And I believe that is because she could not handle and open and honest dialog in an open forum. I believe that she and her organization can only handle a dialog where they can say this is our meeting and you will play by our rules and if you don't the sheriff will be called upon to act in behalf of my organization.
Isn't that thrilling for you as a follower of Elk Konnected and even knowing that the Elk Konnected County Commissioners have been following this thread for nearly a year.
How's that for leading, nearly a year. I never intended to be a leader, but this surely must be a record for a thread on this great forum.
Thank You to the forum owners.Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
Since you claim to have no followers, then I guess you're not a leader. And since you've repeatedly chastised people for being followers, then I presume you are not a follower either.
I never gave it a thought, of being a leader with followers, but since you have forced the issue, and keep pushing the issue please re-read the remarks a few lines above.
But let me clarify if anyone is actually following me, I have always suggested that you think for yourself, and wish to stress that point again, Please do your own thinking,
be an independent thinker and be proud of the fact that you can do that. Also
always ask lot's of questions, it's the right thing to do. This would be the only peer group pressure a person should succumb to, IMHO, and don't succumb to Elk Konnected, LLC peer group pressure. And please
Even question me, and my motives, it's the smart thing to do. Quote from: flintauqua on March 15, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
So, I guess that means that you must be someone who needs to get out of the way.
You have definitly got that wrong. That's what all you Elk Konnected followers want isn't it? You want everyone
out of the way especially those that do not
bow down to your fictious
Konnected Kommunity Kingdom,
right?I have enjoyed our little chat on here and I surely hope it continues.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 16, 2012, 05:38:40 AM
Flintauqua, I can't see you being anything else except a liberal. That's pretty much what the Republican party is all about and
you seem to fit that quite well.
Nope - nada - not right,
in my opinion.
Speaking as a liberal - very liberal - Flintauqua is a moderate conservative. With manners. If we got into an in-depth discussion on issues, one on one, I'm positive we would not agree on all of them. We would, however, agree to disagree without any name calling or bashing.
As far as Republicans, Democrats - the titles don't really matter to mer, other than to identify a group of positions. I vote for people I trust, whose views I like. I usually don't like all of a candidate's views, so I pick the one that will best represent me.
Do you believe that democracy should be used to steal the liberty of other folks?
I still don't know what liberty that would be. Do you really want to be allowed to do things that would be disrespectful or dangerous to other Americans? Can't we all think about others as well as ourselves when we make choices?
I don't agree with some things that President Obama has done and I wish he had more fire in his belly, but so many of the things you feared haven't happened. Many of the things that wind up on the conservative blogs get passed around and around but they can be proved to be untrue.
Congress is another animal. That bunch have taken on a life of their own with their own agendas and aren't user friendly at all.
Yes, I think some of the social programs need to be rounded up and reevaluated.
Yes, I think continuing to throw more and more money at schools doesn't produce better educated kids. We proved that right here. Newark Charter gets several thousand dollars less per student annually from the state than the regular public schools do but they are producing kids that are excelling.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 16, 2012, 09:38:24 AM
I still don't know what liberty that would be.
Can't disagree with you on that Diane. You don't understand nor can you get ahold of the true historical liberty of Americans
EXCEPT that you'd like for us to have less of that liberty which our forefathers had. Public school education is not supportive of
liberty and you're over-dosed with that government mandated education.
Holy crap, been gone months and ain't nothing changed! What should be done with the money in my opinion...
How about lower property taxes!! There are people in this county that don't live out in the country and seldom travel those roads, and yet their taxes keep going up! Why? Ain't nothing in this county changed!
Repair the roads, novel idea! Been trying to do it for years! How about a raise for the guys actually trying to do just that. You know the truck drivers, grader operators, heavy equipment operators that are being paid a laughable wage and still have to put up with complaints from the general public? Not that the public doesn't have a genuine reason to complain. Espcially when roads all over the county are falling apart and yet all repairs lead to Howard!
Just my opinion. And before anyone suggest that if I don't like the way things are run then I should find a different job, keep in mind that I pay taxes in this county as well and have just as much right to express my opinion as anyone else. I didn't sign a vow of silence when I took this job.
Quote from: Varmit on March 16, 2012, 10:16:30 AM
Holy crap, been gone months and ain't nothing changed!...
Not much has changed with respect to county management in that time either, Varmit. Welcome back!
Your points are well taken. Debt reduction, property tax relief, employee compensation realignment and infrastructure repairs. Seems like a no brainer in a county this small, but apparently some still think a new fire barn/health department building (in Howard, of course), tax rebates for a few 'haves', after school movies, and landscaping at the courthouse are the best answers to our challenges. Go figure.
No matter where you go, there you are.
If nothing changes, nothing changes.
And just who's driving the bus?
Red, I want specifics! You are avoiding the question again. What liberties have you personally lost?
I guarantee I know more about American history than you ever could ever know. I'm married to an expert, have grown up where it all took place, have visited most every historical site on the east coast, and have read many books and biographies and autobiographies. Al has just about overdosed on it all.
We can't have less of what the colonials had because most of it hadn't been invented yet. ;) You want us to have the British over us once again ? :o Only the wealthy families' kids get a formal education? Why would you want that?
Go read about the education of the bloggers you enjoy so much....they have education out the wahoo!
Look at John Taylor Gatto and all the schools and degrees he collected on his way to becoming well known. (You'd be surprised how many well known people I've heard speak at conferences over the years.) These folks are not anti education! Education is never perfect and every generation of parents wants changes. Some change is good. It keeps thing fresh. Some is not when it creates dependent kids who can think, but fight to not have to and their parents back them. I mean really...kids who come to school who can't tie shoelaces? That is a parent's job.
Then there are the folks who have chosen an alternative life style. They have chosen to do as their leader/s tell them, in all things. No personal choice in dress, living arrangements, life style, work, worship, and so on. Yet they seem perfectly content.They have the freedom to give up their freedom as you would know it.
Liberty is much more than being able to have a gun! The early settlers had a different attitude because they almost all hunted food and those who could afford it owned weapons. Some hunted game to sell to the shops and inns in towns and along travel routes. That isn't the case any more .Even hunters see it more as recreation than having to put food on the table or starve.
You can pretty much do whatever you can afford to do as long as it doesn't affect the safety and welfare of others.
If you want to see what is was like long ago, visit Williamsburg. It's a good depiction of a lot, not all of course. You'll find none of the old common fatal diseases there.
You simply don't get it and that's what freedom loving Americans are up against today. Your historical expertise doesn't
go very far in defense in of true American liberty.
Quote from Diane:
.Even hunters see it more as recreation than having to put food on the table or starve.
Wrong again. That might apply to hunters in the East and city people that come here to hunt---and maybe just a few of the locals---but most Elk county hunters hunt for the food. Take deer for example. We have to buy the either sex tag before we can buy the antlerless only tags but a heck of a lot of them either sex tags are put on does so don't think it's done just for recreation.
And I "guarantee "you I have dealt with way more deer hunters over the years than you ever will-----And I am the expert in that field----or was !!!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 16, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Red, I want specifics! You are avoiding the question again. What liberties have you personally lost?
I guarantee I know more about American history than you ever could ever know....
Damn, that was arrogant!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 16, 2012, 11:05:28 AMGo read about the education of the bloggers you enjoy so much....they have education out the wahoo!
Note to arrogant east coast elitist know it all: Your so good at handing out assignments, here's one for you...
Amberg, please go carefully read the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Communist Manifesto. Then provide we unwashed and unenlightened masses with your comparative analysis of the current state of American governance compared to the plans & philosophies espoused in each of those documents. Be sure to cite specific examples. Further, also explain how your analysis applies to the unholy alliances between private company interests and the Elk County government addressed in this thread.We'll all be waiting for your eminence to enlighten us.
What is true can't be arrogant. Ha!
I'm talking about the country as a whole, not just your part or my part. I was comparing then and now, not here and there.
I'm still waiting for a specific answer to my question. What liberties did you have that you have lost. If it's so obvious, list them out.
Then there is Red's question that took us off track. Do you think Democracy should be used to steal the liberty of other folks? Again I ask, what liberty?
As to whether you are unwashed, only you would know that. Pretending to be unenlightened is beneath you and just plain silly. As for Red's education, who knows? I stand behind what I said about knowing about the history of this country. All of it, not just from the south's point of view and not excluding it either.
As for my "assignment," I actually could do that. I have always been good at compare and contrast questions. But, who of you unenlightened (according to you) would understand it? Now tossing the bit about EK in there invalidates the assignment as you are assuming "unholy alliances" as fact, and there isn't enough unbiased information or reliable research to draw from. Too bad.
My goodness, you sure are fun to poke at. I look forward to doing it again soon. It stimulates my brain. You just get mad too easily.
Jar, I have no doubt you really do know about the hunting out there and I'm sure if there are still subsistence hunters you are in a position to know. I wasn't trying to take away from that, I was just comparing the then and now historically.
What liberty? Let's say any any liberty.
You could do the assignment.... but you won't. And since you won't and haven't, the case regarding your ignorance of American liberty is advanced, supported and likely proven.
Jarhead and Red great inputs.
And I wish to add that , I just don't believe we need an organization that claims to have stopped the "old guard" when infact I believe they have shown themselves to be the very same people, just a younger generation there of, with a name and fabricated community. In my humble opinion they seem to have failed at everything they said they were going to do including, pulling the communitties together. It appears to me they are making matters worse. Now it appears they want to give property taxes away to their friends via not taxing them on their new homes or barns or whatever improvement they put up, by not imposing taxes on their improvements. Good job trying.
Now, in this weeks newspaper they are calling it, "The Neighborhood Revitalization Program".
What neighborhood do you suppose they are talking about?
What do you suppose they might call it this idea next?
They definitly won't call it a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program will they?
Even though that is exactly what it is.
Jennefier Montgomery, the county Economic Development Employee and member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee submitted paper work to the County Commissioners for this program.
The newspaper goes on to say the Liebau and Hendricks suppport the program.
Apparently one Commissioer did not support the program.
Let's look at that, Okay?
Commissioner Leibau an Elk Konnected, LLC supporter made the motion to approve the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" as presented by the Economic Development Employee and member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee and it was seconded by Commissioner Hendricks the founding member of Elk Konnected, LLC. The motion carried by two Elk Konnected, LLC County Commissioners to one non-Konnected County Commissioner.
Has the County taxpayers, voters and citizens been advised as to what is in this program, has it been posted on the county web site?
Isn't it just another "Beggar-Thy-Neigbor" program devised by Elk Konnected, LLC County Commissioners ?
After all two Konnected Commissioners voted for it and one actual Commissioner voted against it, right?
I apologize for that, VILE remark, BUT I feel it is a very truthful remark. Simply do the math, 2 to 1 pretty frequently.
I feel that Commissioner Ritz is the only Commissioner not being manipulated by an organization.
No, I do not know Mr. Ritz on a personal basis and I have only spoken with him briefly on maybe a half dozen occassions.
But from attending Commissioners meetings and paying attention to how he votes and speaks he is interested in the county as a whole, not as some organization out for itself,
and I am impressed with his down to earth attitude.
And I respect that.
This is Strictly my own personal opinion.
To be completely accurate, the vote taken was to allow Montgomery and the Appraiser to continue with study and prepare a final draft of the Elk County plan. It was NOT to implement the plan. How would I know? I was there.
Implementation, according to Kansas requirements, requires advance public hearings first. How would I know? I have a copy of the Kansas program guidelines. Is this just more incomplete information being fed to the public? Why?
I suppose this correction will be characterized by an elected official who is sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution (including the 1st Amendment) as Vile, huh.
Here's some more info: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13278.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13278.0.html)
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 16, 2012, 11:19:55 AM
You simply don't get it and that's what freedom loving Americans are up against today. Your historical expertise doesn't
go very far in defense in of true American liberty.
Since the question Diane asked has gone unanswered by red and ambiguously anwered with "What liberty? Let's say any liberty." by patriot, I would like to offer a second opportunity for the Reactionaries on this Forum to explain themselves.
Just exactly which liberties and freedoms have been lost? Exactly who lost them and exactly who took them away?
Specific cases please, not more ambiguity.
And so Ross doesn't chastise me for polluting his thread/blog - What specific liberties and/or freedoms have been taken away from whom by the Elk County Commissioners, past and present?
Mr. Flinty, you've been a promoter of using government grant money. Why would you want the government to take other's money
for your shortcomings or your favorite projects? And if the government isn't forcing it from the taxpayers, then they are borrowing money or they're printing it which is a huge burden of debt upon the living and the yet unborn for years to come. Most probably never to be paid off.
Why do you want to live off the public treasury like that? Do you work? How about your buddies on Elk Konnected?
Looks like you're all a bunch of freeloaders living off the citizens under the tyranny of government.
By the way, it looks like the only kind of liberty that you understand is the broad based liberty that you take with other peoples' money.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 16, 2012, 06:15:15 PM
By the way, it looks like the only kind of liberty that you understand is the broad based liberty that you take with other peoples' money.
Yet another non-answer to a specific question. Wow, I am so surprised!
So in addition to not being able to recognize your status as a follower (as Ross so clearly observed yesterday), you also fail to see your 'reactionary' retorts on this thread for nearly a year?
In psychology, that behavior is generally observed in people with addictive disorders. It's called projection and is generally seen with a group of defense mechanisms employed as a complex self defense process. Another defense mechanism is to apply vague derogatory labels to the more rational people in the addict's social circles.
Perhaps Red has it nailed.... you secretly desire to be a ward of a socialist state in order to benefit from the largess available to the weak who live under a soft tyranny. Sad, really.
Yes, I suppose, this is another non-answer. The answers you seek have been presented throughout this thread.
Quote from: Patriot on March 16, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
Yes, I suppose, this is another non-answer. The answers you seek have been presented throughout this thread.
Where?
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 06:29:09 PM
Where?
As you, and others, have so eloquently answered when asked about the 'truths & facts' that you and the EK supporters supposedly provided on this forum.... go fish. It's there, so go look it up.
Speaking of being ambiguous and obtuse, I find it interesting, citizens, that when Commissioner Hendricks was asked by a member of the public at a recent commission meeting about her ideas for the use of our PILOT funds, her answer was non-existent. Are we supposed to believe that the local negotiator/architect of and signatory to the PILOT agreement in 2008 has no ideas for the use of that money after over 4 years? I wouldn't bet on it.
Actually, I find the above far more important, revealing & troubling than any such ambiguity by posters on this forum. How about a little more government/public interaction & transparency. This isn't about secret, wrapped birthday presents handed out by our government 'parents.' Or is it?
Let the irrational responses begin.
Quote from: Patriot on March 16, 2012, 06:24:50 PM
So in addition to not being able to recognize your status as a follower (as Ross so clearly observed yesterday), you also fail to see your 'reactionary' retorts on this thread for nearly a year?
The definition of Moderate that I live by, paraphrased from some two inch think book I read twenty plus years ago:
"A Moderate generally believes every issue needs to be looked at separately, looking at both sides of an issue and then taking into account his own beliefs on the matter, then making a decision. Most feel that being a Moderate keeps one from being blinded by political demagoguery."
I follow those that by their words and deeds have proven to me personally that I can trust them.
And I trust most, but not quite all, Elk County residents and property owners.
Why? Because the vast majority of them can and do see through the Reactionary, Ayn Randian, sons of the John Birch Society demagoguery that is what Patriot, Ross, Red, etc try to promote through their posts on this Forum.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 05:43:30 PM
Since the question Diane asked has gone unanswered by red and ambiguously anwered with "What liberty? Let's say any liberty." by patriot, I would like to offer a second opportunity for the Reactionaries on this Forum to explain themselves.
You sir, are the reactionist by making such a statement.
If a response isn't as quick as you like there is no answers.
I sir, will not permit you or any other follower control my liberties or freedoms.
We already have our federal government trying very hard to do just that.
Please read the statements below about national and local governments.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 05:43:30 PM
Just exactly which liberties and freedoms have been lost? Exactly who lost them and exactly who took them away?
Specific cases please, not more ambiguity.
I repeat again sir, I will not permit followers to control my freedoms and rights through intimidation as explained below.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 05:43:30 PM
And so Ross doesn't chastise me for polluting his thread/blog -
Oh, now flint, I would never chastise you for being on this thread.
I infact have and will continue to encourage you to post just as often as you desire.
I very much enjoy your presence and your post's.
This is not my forum and I have repeatedly said so.
I have also thanked the owners in this thread for making this wonderful forum available to all.
So please, please post to your hearts content --- and know that you do not need my permission or request to do so.
Welcome, welcome Flint welcome.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 05:43:30 PM
What specific liberties and/or freedoms have been taken away from whom by the Elk County Commissioners, past and present?
In response to your question: Threats are the actions of attempting and sometimes are used as tools to remove ones liberties.
Some go further, please observe:
On the national level most likely due to some civic organization we now have
NDAA. Haven't you heard of the NDAA?Here are but a few words on the subject.
From Forbes:The National Defense Authorization Act is the
Greatest Threat to Civil Liberties Americans FaceSo much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for limited government. What Americans are now facing is quite literally the end of the line. We will either uphold the freedoms baked into our Constitutional Republic, or we will scrap the entire project in the name of security as we wage, endlessly, this futile, costly, and ultimately self-defeating War on Terror.
Over at Wired, Spencer Ackerman gives us the long and short of things:
"There are still changes swirling around the Senate, but this looks like the basic shape of the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act. Someone the government says is "a member of, or part of, al-Qaida or an associated force" can be held in military custody "without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Those hostilities are currently scheduled to end the Wednesday after never. The move would shut down criminal trials for terror suspects.
But far more dramatically, the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn't limited to foreigners. It's confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the
University of Texas' Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention —
"U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority."An amendment that would limit military detentions to people captured overseas failed on Thursday afternoon. The Senate soundly defeated a measure to strip out all the detention provisions on Tuesday.
So despite the Sixth Amendment's guarantee of a right to trial, the Senate bill would let the government lock up any
citizen it swears is a terrorist, without the burden of proving its case to an independent judge, and for the lifespan of an amorphous war that conceivably will never end. And because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it's pretty likely to pass.
A really scary read at http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/
On the local level: We have you the followers that want us to shut up and go away, you followers have made that quite clear.
And I would bet, if you could take away our freedom of speech you would.
And remember it was tried on this very thread.
I was told in this every thread, that every post I make is being printed, to possibly be used in a lawsuit.
In hope that you can control, right?
And we have an organization that controls our very own County Commissioners Board.
One Commissioner made it very clear in an intimidating manner that he will
defend his organization and he did it during a County Commissioners Meeting.
And during the same meeting he
declared that
my posts on this forum are
"VILE" , in an attempt to belittle me in a public meeting.
Why, do you think he used his position as an Elk Konnected County Commissioner to take such action in public?
He also insinuated in an ugly fasion that I should volunteer?
Volunteer for what?
He did not say, why didn't he say for what?
I was shocked speechless by his aggressive action.
If I would have behaved in such a fashion the sheriff would have been called.
Guaranteed.These are clearly attempts to remove my rights through intimidation.
It worked once, but I'm sorry it won't work again with me.
But the Fed does scare me nearly to death.
No wishful thinking on that one, please. LOL
Quote from Flintauqua:
And I trust most, but not quite all, Elk County residents and property owners.
You've done quite a turn around there Chuck. As I recall when the West Elk bond issue failed a couple years back, you threw a pissy fit and called the folks of Elk county some pretty vile names. Said you were wiping your hands clean of the stupid people that live here. Could I ask why you have changed your mind and now trust most of the citizens? Just asking.
Thank you Ross for an actual answer to the prior question. I agree that the NDAA and several previous acts, including the Patriot Act, contain clauses that violate the Bill of Rights.
I don't agree with your connection between this Federal edict and the actions of the Elk County Commission, but you and I will probably never agree on most of their actions.
I would love to see what else we might agree on. Here's one to think about.
At what point in time will the Federal Government stop running on Continuing Resolutions and actually pass on Annual Budget, on time. Is this a violation of our collective rights? Who's to blame: The Executive Branch, The Senate, The House, Tea Party Republicans, non-Tea Party Republicans, Democrats, George Soros, the Koch Brothers, you, me, us, no one, everyone?
Look forward to your thoughts. Goodnight. This ardent Wildcat has to root for the Jayhawks tonight to have any shot at having a better bracket then my wife, since the WuShocks and Mizzou went down in flames in the first round.
Quote from: jarhead on March 16, 2012, 07:21:16 PM
Could I ask why you have changed your mind and now trust most of the citizens? Just asking.
Everyone makes statements they wish they hadn't. Especially in the heat of the moment and in response to incendiary statements by others.
I believe learning from one's mistakes is probably the most humbling, but in the end the most important thing one can do throughout their life.
You're a good man, Charlie. I agree with you.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
Thank you Ross for an actual answer to the prior question. I agree that the NDAA and several previous acts, including the Patriot Act, contain clauses that violate the Bill of Rights.
I have my hands plenty full even though I am retired, so I may not respond as quickly as some might like.
But you know, this is just not the same country I was born into, it has drastically changed from when I was a child.
When I was a kid growing up in the '50's durn near everyone was your parent, durn near everyone looked out for a child. They even called your momma and your momma knew what trouble you got into before you got home.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
I don't agree with your connection between this Federal edict and the actions of the Elk County Commission, but you and I will probably never agree on most of their actions.
But, we do have a privately owned company holding two out of three seats on the County Commissioners Board.
Which gives the privately owned company control of our local government.
And half of the counrty is hollaring about corporate america controlling our Federal Government.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
I would love to see what else we might agree on. Here's one to think about.
I can agree to disagree.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
At what point in time will the Federal Government stop running on Continuing Resolutions and actually pass on Annual Budget, on time. Is this a violation of our collective rights? Who's to blame: The Executive Branch, The Senate, The House, Tea Party Republicans, non-Tea Party Republicans, Democrats, George Soros, the Koch Brothers, you, me, us, no one, everyone?
As I said this is not the country I was born into, it has changed in my opinion for the worst..
We the people sit back and do nothing, but I think we will soon be seeing some that take action soon.
And, I fear that the police state will then become a military state, martial law even.
There has been plenty of evidence of a possible military action on our very own lands.
Only time will tell.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
Look forward to your thoughts. Goodnight. This ardent Wildcat has to root for the Jayhawks tonight to have any shot at having a better bracket then my wife, since the WuShocks and Mizzou went down in flames in the first round.
I know, I can be an obstinate bastard, military training never wears off. But i believe in the truth overtact and diplomacy.
That's why when I was considering becoming a military officer, I said hell no. That's why I made E-4 twice, E-5 twice ane E-6 once. I was prepared for E-7 and decided I did not want to grow old and fat behind a desk and I had also lost connfidence in the military of the '70 and quit. But it was an educational and fun 10 years, and I have no regrets. I am still in touch with a number of my old military buddies from the "60 and 70's which is great fun.
Well I'll soon be off to bed, so good night flint.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
Everyone makes statements they wish they hadn't. Especially in the heat of the moment and in response to incendiary statements by others.
Boy is that ever true. we all do it sooner or later.
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:42:23 PM
I believe learning from one's mistakes is probably the most humbling, but in the end the most important thing one can do throughout their life.
I'm human too Flint and I whole heartly agree on that.
See Flint we can agree on a few things.
Remeber when I met you in Howard, I enjoyed that visit even though, I knew right off we did not see eye to ey on some things. But we could still talk and be civil.
Rest assured, I have nothing personal against you, concerning this thread.
I too think you are a good man.
We just disagree on some things.
Quote from: Ross on March 16, 2012, 09:23:47 PM
Remeber when I met you in Howard, I enjoyed that visit even though, I knew right off we did not see eye to ey on some things. But we could still talk and be civil.
If we have met, I do not remember when. Was it before or after January '06?
I am Charles Durbin, younger son of Mahlon Durbin. Perhaps you have me confused with my older brother Dan, or perhaps with another member of the Durbin clan, as there are a lot of us.
I think, I met you at the ,itt,e Mexican restraunt in Howard.
We had a talk on the side walk just outside the restraunt door.
I thought you said yiu were flintaqua.
That was about 8 months ago.
Perhaps I 'm wrong.
Charles... were you able to use that info on 'copying off snopes' that I sent you. Seems you forgot to let me know how you came out. Were you able to make it work?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 16, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Red, I want specifics! You are avoiding the question again. What liberties have you personally lost?
I guarantee I know more about American history than you ever could ever know.
"Ever could ever know.." Perhaps less time spent on history and a little more applied to grammar would have been beneficial??
Seriously though, that is probably the most self-inflated comment I have seen in a long time!
QuoteI'm married to an expert, have grown up where it all took place, have visited most every historical site on the east coast, and have read many books and biographies and autobiographies. Al has just about overdosed on it all.
And yet you still don't know a damn thing about or have yet to grasp the true meaning of the word American. Your being married to an "expert" doesn't mean a thing. If that were the case than every person married to a nurse or doctor would have just as much knowledge in that subject as their spouse so your logic is so completely flawed it is beyond laughable.
QuoteLiberty is much more than being able to have a gun! The early settlers had a different attitude because they almost all hunted food and those who could afford it owned weapons. Some hunted game to sell to the shops and inns in towns and along travel routes. That isn't the case any more .Even hunters see it more as recreation than having to put food on the table or starve.
Wrong again dummy! If that were the case than the Founders would have made it clear in the Constitution that firearm ownership was to be protected so folks could hunt. But no, they included the Right to Bear Arms so that the people would have a way to defend themselves against gov't oppression. Don't believe me look it up.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 16, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Liberty is much more than being able to have a gun! The early settlers had a different attitude because they almost all hunted food and those who could afford it owned weapons.
what version of history are you quoting from? A gun was owned by most people in this country IF you didn't have one your life was very short. Between hostile indians, wildlife, ect you wouldn't survive without one. Every household in most of the country had at least a rifle or a shotgun. When my folks first arrived in this country in the 1800's at eliis, the first things they bought before setting out was guns and ammo. Theres weapons in my family that date back to 1700's that have been passed down from generation to generation. Sorry but your facts are skewed!
there was in the 1800's tighter gun control laws in a lot of the cities. Dodge city, deadwood sd, kansas city ect all forced visitors to check their guns in at the sherrifs office. It really didn't make the town safer but made them feel good.
Quote.Even hunters see it more as recreation than having to put food on the table or starve.
Well thats debatable. I see some city folks that have delusions of grandeur in buying a hi-calibre weapon and going out and getting that mythical 40 point buck. But they aren't hunters. Seen enough of them. I saw one proudly drove into a game check station talking he had to chase his deer up a hill to get it. He shot the farmers sheep.
QuoteYou can pretty much do whatever you can afford to do as long as it doesn't affect the safety and welfare of others.
What does that have to do with the ownership and use and bearing of arms. IF soem criminal decides to attack me, i'm damn sure going to affect his safety and welfare. He's going to be taking the great celestial dirt nap.
QuoteIf you want to see what is was like long ago, visit Williamsburg. It's a good depiction of a lot, not all of course. You'll find none of the old common fatal diseases there.
Williamsburg? ROTFLMBO. Geeze. even back in the 1600 most everyone had a gun. I've been to williamsburg andd yes its a great tourist trap. As far as authentic, i don't know. we have to take that at face value i guess. But why just williamsburg? The whole east coast was settled in a very short time. Only in the bigger cities were a lack of guns. It wasn't necessarily a survival tool unless you were defending against the gangs.
Like varmit said, teh 2nd amendment was NOT a right to hunt. Never was even considered for that. THE ONLY reason for the 2nd amendment is to suppress or overthrow the government. It is necessary for a free people to have that right. Otherwise time will erode and take away our freedom.
You want to watch this video i am posting. THIS IS THE VERY REASON that the 2nd amendment was created.
Quote from: Varmit on March 18, 2012, 03:32:32 PM
If that were the case than the Founders would have made it clear in the Constitution that firearm ownership was to be protected so folks could hunt. But no, they included the Right to Bear Arms so that the people would have a way to defend themselves against gov't oppression. Don't believe me look it up.
One would think that a middle aged adult in America would not need such a lesson in basic constitutional fundamentals. Then again, many middle aged adults long ago sold their self reliance and critical thinking skills down the river at the hands of government educators... Some even became government educators themselves, sticking to the government line no matter what a bit of self teaching (or for that matter a simple reading of the Constitution) might have accomplished. Don't wanna make waves in the school system, we gotta work with those people after all, and such rebellion against the great curriculum providers might jeopardize those union negotiated perks & pensions.
A tad embittered on my part? Perhaps. Just read the news these days and think. Finding infringed liberties is not difficult, IF one has a constitutionally based grasp of what liberty is in the first place. Perhaps the greatest liberty lost is that of an honest education provided by clear thinking educators with analytical skills that go beyond selecting the right sized cucumber for the condom section of sex ed. I've known far too many educators who had a great grasp of 'the curriculum' but absolutely no ability to determine the alignment of what they taught with basic, plain readings of the Constitution.
Good grief! Are you all still at it? I'm sorry you didn't get it! 8)
Red is not stupid enough to think I was serious. He had poked me about something he didn't think could understand a few lines prior and I just poked him back in a most long winded way. We both know we have very little in politics that we agree on. But he knows I"m not serious nor angry. Why do you have to jump in on me? He most assuredly doesn't need defending by any of you.
I'm a moderate independent and he's deeply libertarian. So what! I can express my view too ,and have fun doing it when I choose. Shoot, for all I know Red could be a history teacher at a Christian school. Why would it matter? You all must be bored or need to go kill something or shoot apples off someone's head. My word, lighten up already. Something about big boy undies? ;D ;) Pat, I swear I'm going to mail you a case of cucumbers!
Have you no sense of humor at all? Or is it just because I'm female and dare to be interested in lots of things including politics? Plus I'm willing to stand up to you.
Fine, I'll pack up my history and law books and go home, so there. ;D
Again with the generalities about teachers... and all people from Kansas are ignorant hillbillies? Not hardly!
As far as gun ownership way back, I disagree on everyone having guns. That's why the early militias had to have extra weapons. When they had a muster and drill, not everyone had a weapon so they borrowed from the armory. Or so said the tour guides in New England ( Concord) Ya wanna call them all liars, help yourself. and I see name calling still isn't beneath Varmit even after all this time Tsk,tsk
In response to flints question!
Quote from: flintauqua on March 16, 2012, 07:36:38 PM
At what point in time will the Federal Government stop running on Continuing Resolutions and actually pass on Annual Budget, on time. Is this a violation of our collective rights? Who's to blame: The Executive Branch, The Senate, The House, Tea Party Republicans, non-Tea Party Republicans, Democrats, George Soros, the Koch Brothers, you, me, us, no one, everyone?
Perhaps Corporate America is to Blame! The
super rich with their
greed for more Government Hand Out's in the Form of Tax Breaks and Stimulus Monies and Grants and any other Hand Outs. Which are known as
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" as in despicable, lack of ethics and moral's. Just take, take and more take.
And I believe, I and others have made that point about what is happening right here in Elk County!
I personally find it
REVOLTING, VILE (vile as in the words of a County Commissioner) and DESPICABLE.
Now how about you Elk Konnected, LLC Followers can you explain to us non-followers
exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the
Quality Of Life in Elk County?
We have pretty much outlined everything they have done that has in my opinion had the opposite effect.
So
please, defend Elk Konnected, LLC and tell us.
County Commissioner Liebau, who says my posts are vile and that you would
DEFEND Elk Konnected, LLC, here is your chance. Or was that just a bluff?
Let's hear it,
Sing Their Praise Loud and Clear,
please.
What has Elk Konnected, LLC done for the Quality Of Life in Elk County?
No actual factual response will be considered as nothing by me.I really want to know and understand.
Welcome back Varmit----been missing you.
You have me begging now, don't any of you Elk Konnected, LLC followers have anything?
Aw, come on!
Surely someone can point out something, please read the questions again and tell us something, please?
Oh, and what about that 5 or 6 years of dedicated coaching by County Commissioner Hendricks at West Elk High and nobody saying thank you when she resigned,
nobody but me?
Why is that?
Am I crazy? After all 5 or 6 years of teaching sportsmanship and teamwork to our children is hard work and should be applauded shouldn't it?
Where is Elk Konnected, LLC with the KUDOS? Aren't you kind of shunning your responsibility of
praising a positive thing that happened in our Good County for 5 or 6 years?
What's with that attitude?
Don't you want the area to know how proud you are, of the dedicated service of an educator, to our county
children for all those years?
Wasn't that a positive thing worthy of a even a
small amount of praise?Come on lets hear it, for a job well done.
Quote from: Ross on March 18, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Now, how about you Elk Konnected, LLC Followers can you explain to us non-followers exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the Quality Of Life in Elk County?
We have pretty much outlined everything they have done that has in my opinion had the opposite effect.
So please, defend Elk Konnected, LLC and tell us.
County Commissioner Liebau, who says my posts are vile and that you would DEFEND Elk Konnected, LLC, here is your chance. Or was that just a bluff?
Let's hear it,
Sing Their Praise Loud and Clear,
please.
What has Elk Konnected, LLC done for the Quality Of Life in Elk County?
No actual factual response will be considered as nothing by me.
I really want to know and understand.
Quote from: Ross on March 18, 2012, 06:02:02 PM
In response to flints question!
Perhaps Corporate America is to Blame! The super rich with their greed for more Government Hand Out's in the Form of Tax Breaks and Stimulus Monies and Grants and any other Hand Outs. Which are known as "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" as in despicable, lack of ethics and moral's. Just take, take and more take.
And I believe, I and others have made that point about what is happening right here in Elk County!
I personally find it REVOLTING, VILE (vile as in the words of a County Commissioner) and DESPICABLE.
That's a good response. I sure like that.
Today i was setting outside the courthouse when I heard circus music start playing at 12pm. I commented to someone court must be in session.
Well, I guess them Konnected people just can't show anyway that they have improved the quality of life in Elk County.
So, I guess all we get is more "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" via the Elk Konnected County Commissioners, so that they can hand out more lollipops to us using taxpayers dollars. It's really a good trick isn't it?
But you know I still wonder what is really going on?
Aren't LLC usually in business to make money?
We don't see any other LLC's begging money from the county coffers to pay their responsibilities to other organizations, do we?
If another LLC approached the Elk Konnected County Commissioners for that purpose, do you suppose the Elk Konnected County Commissioners would cough up the money as asily for that organization? Do you suppose for one moment?
This is going to b a rather long post because a learned afew thing after being called by a landman wanting to lease my mineral rights. When all this leasing started about a year ago they were paying $25 an acre. Well folks it is now up to $200 an acre. I have also discovered that mineral right leases are going as much as $1200.00 an achor just two counties west of us. Well that lead me to do some research, no college education here, just questions?
During my research I learned of the use of shell companies and that shell company opening another shell company. That is what I am really trying to point out. All though the other information about landmen might be of interest to you as well.
Here we go:
Mineral Rights
KCC
While a 3/16th share may sound good be very cautions, if they plan to deduct transportation costs, marketing costs and such from your share that 3/16 royalty will quickly be diluted by expenses.
It is always advisable to have a knowledgeable oil/gas mineral/royalty attorney negotiate for you.
Is there a shut-in clause? Is there a minimum royalty clause? Are they going to use your surface land and use one drilling pad for multiple wells going horizontally under your land to other landowners? Do they have the right to use your wells for disposal purposes?
There are a couple of royalty/mineral owner associations in Kansas. You may want to contact them as they represent solely royalty and mineral owners. The Southwest Kansas Royalty Owners Association (swkroa.com) has been around for 63 years and very knowledgeable on oil/gas leasing issues, particularly in the Hugoton Gas Field in SW Kansas. The Eastern Kansas Royalty Owners Association (ekroa.com) has been around a number of years. EKROA is knowledgeable on the drilling going on in SE Kansas including the coal bed methane drilling. EKROA may be able to give you some idea's as to going rates for your area.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/28/us-energy-giant-idUSTRE7BR0G420111228
Reuters
This story from Reuters has raised a lot of questions in my mind.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/28/us-energy-giant-idUSTRE7BR0G420111228
You can read the whole story for your self. I personally don't believe these actions are limited to just one industry.
While studying about landmen offering to lease a person's mineral rights, I stumbled on to some very information which is perfectly legal. But in my mind quite deceptive, And it made me wonder about what is happening right here at home. Do we have what might possibly be considered shell companies in Elk County? Do we possibly have a another company or companies in Elk County that we don't even know exists?
It's just enough to make one wonder and especially since the connection between the Elk County Commissioners and their LLC that at least one Commissioner so ardently defend, right?
Inquiring minds want to know?
Just food for thought?
What really is going on?
Does anybody really know?
Here is a little bit of the story.
Chesapeake's own website advises land owners that their "main consideration" before leasing should be "to discover who will ultimately be producing your minerals." But Chesapeake's strategy made that extremely difficult for the Michigan land owners.
Legal scholars say the operation serves as an intriguing test case of the use of shell companies.
The tactics "raise moral and ethical questions about how entities can be used," says Joshua Fershee, a contract law professor at the University of North Dakota.
Others, including Chesapeake, defend the need to use shell companies and front companies - contractors with local ties who do business on behalf of a larger corporation. John Lowe, a professor of energy law at Southern Methodist University, calls it "business as usual."
"Shells aren't just a device to pull the wool over land owners' eyes," Lowe says.
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I skipped down to the end of the article
If land owners prove that they should have been paid, at issue is who will be held accountable: Chesapeake, a corporation with $37 billion in assets, or Northern, a shell company with no publicly documented assets.
And this last Paragraph brings to my mind of Elk Konnected, LLC becoming an LLC as they said, "to protect their members", protect them from what?
Liability?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC have any publicly documented assets?
You know in case some child or person get's hurt at one of their sponsored events?
Do they carry some form of liability insurance?
Or will it be like was discussed at the school board meeting about ECCEF.
It sounded to me like the school district would accept responsibility on the school property.
That's you and me the taxpayer, isn't it?
Can you afford higher school property taxes if something bad were to happen?
I can't!
Will the actual/real communities be responsible for accident that may or could happen on one of Elk Konnected, LLC's provided rides?
Or will the county be responsible, because the county is responsible for providing the money for the rides to be leased?
Can you afford higher property taxes if something terrible were to happen?
I can't?
Should we be responsible for others actions or non-actions to provide proper liability insurance?
I don't think so, do you?
Shouldn't they show proof of such insurance?
Simply display liability coverage at each event, don't you think that would put peoples mind at ease?
I think so, if they want to be a responsible Elk County business, don't you?
That's not asking much, just showing responsibility and showing that the responsibility does not fall on everyone else.
Simply display liability coverage at each event, don't you think that would put peoples mind at ease?
Who actually accepts responsibility?
It has been mentioned through out this thread, as stated in paragraph nine, down from the top:
"This raise moral and ethical questions about how entities can be used," doesn't that apply equally well to our County Government and elected officials?
Just my opinion and some articles with attached links so you can read them.
What you decide to think of this information is your choice and your business.
Speaking of being dis-Konnected from the people and from economic realities.....
In addition to tax money giveaways, revenue reducers, road budgets cut by $60,000 in 2012, and special interest pandering, how about a shiny new rural fire barn/ambulance garage/health department center in Howard? If only Howard taxpayers would cough up the bucks to tear down the existing structure & then sell the plot to the county. What would we name it?
Or, we could do county wide daycare with tax dollars. Next thing we'll be wanting a new elementary school, Kommunity Activity center with a YMCA, olympic pool & golf course... that'll grow our county. And with EK's booming experience in exercise center management, they're the perfect choice to run it. How much would they charge the taxpayers to do so, I wonder.
Parking your RV and taking a trail ride past an artesian well and an old limestone arch bridge into a 200 MW windfarm would be fun, too... of course, that might actually draw outside interest and revenue.
What say you?
Don't we think the Federal Government is spending too much money, tax money?
What's the difference Local Government spending, spending and taxing, taxing.
Oh, they will tell you they won't be raising your taxes.
Please don't fall for that line.
If they can afford to give tax money away through tax breaks or other give a ways, then they can afford to reduce your property taxes.
Do you wish to give up your rights and responsibilities to Elk Konnected, LLC, to decide for you what is best for the county?
Do you? That's easily done. Attend their company's meetings and avoid the County Commissioners meetings. Simple, huh?
I don't make all of the County Commissioners meetings but I try to make a few. Mostly is is boring, but there are a few people you can say hi to while you are there. But sometimes it gets a bit interesting.
And if they don't lower your taxes, it is the same thing as raising them, by losing money through give aways to someone else.
It is simple manipulation of the citizens that pay taxes, isn't it?
Something, I learned in the military, there was a saying that went something like this.
If you feel them standing behind you with their hands on your shoulders, be alert.Of course, it was a bit different. But, I won't go there.
And you can bet, that when asked a direct question and politicians choose not to answer, it's because they don't want to get caught in a lie, and they don't want to tell the truth. That in my opinion is why so many questions on this thread go unanswered. You can go back through this thread and read all the omissions yourself.
Quote from: Ross on February 19, 2012, 03:22:08 PM
I was just reading what a highly respected and highly educated Doctor of Medicine and a politician running for President had to say about our country. I find it very interesting a parallel of our county.
Here we go:
Paul minced no words:
"We've slipped away from a true Republic...[/color] Now we're slipping into a fascist system where it's a combination of government and big business and authoritarian rule and the suppression of the individual rights of each and every American citizen.
"http://www.mediaite.com/online/ron-paul-tells-missouri-republicans-that-u-s-is-slipping-into-a-fascist-system/
Ann Coulter visited Fox Business's Follow the Money this week to talk about the relationship between corporations and the White House. Speaking to host Eric Bolling, who had laid down his argument for the unhealthy relations between the government and private enterprise, Coulter boiled down the argument to the President Obama being both "a socialist" and "a fascist."
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-warns-of-the-fascist-president-incandescent-lightbulbs/
Well what have we got going on in Elk County?
Isn't it an Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) relationship with our governing body?
Same thing isn't it?
Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company with two of their members on the County Commissioners Board and maybe 2 or 3 members on the School Board. If that isn't something I don't know what is, do you?
It takes two out of three votes to control the board, amazing isn't it?
The County Commissioners that are Konnected even appear to ignore Kansas State Law, what's with that?
They as members of Elk Konnected, LLC say they want an open and honest dialog but refuse to do so, why?
They appear to only want one way communication with the citizens of Elk County, by having entries in the newspaper or the little rural utility company's monthly magazine. No two way dialog?
Why is it necessary to have a newspaper article about County Commissioners meetings when it leaves out so much information about what happens at the meetings. I'm thinking a form of distraction. They tape record the meetings and we have a very expensive web site that is extremely under used, to inform the citizens of Elk County. How about using all that technology that is so expensive? Yes it would be real easy to put the recordings on the internet. Then people would know the whole story instead of what is chosen to tell them. Wouldn't that be what an honest and educated person could do for the citizens of Elk County?
Heck, they could even stream the meeting on our web site. But that would be worse then leaving a paper trail, wouldn't it?
Or does Elk Konnected, LLC disagree with county government being by the people, of the people, for the people?
This is the 21st century and there is an awful lot of public information on computers in the court house that could easily be placed on our expensive web site. That might make the web site worth the money, don't you think?
I suppose it is rather VILE to suggest any of this, right?
It's just my opinion, okay.
But look who else is using children to manipulate adults thinking.
Monsanto has been in the news for sometime about GMO's aand insecticides and now this:
Monsanto wants to brainwash your children with 'Biotechnology Basics Activity Book'
www.naturalnews.com
GM crop systems are inherently unsustainable in every way, as they require massive amounts of chemical inputs in order to grow.
They have also been shown in numerous scientific studies to cause organ damage, digestive disorders, autoimmune diseases, reproductive problems, and various other conditions.
I'm sure it's questionable about the product, but I don't think it is questionable about using children when it comes to using farm business of this sort aimed at the children. This is for adults to decide.
My point is the use of children by business.
Is it right?
Be it national or local with lollipops or babysitting/daycare called summer day camp.
And, I question a privately owned business using County taxpayers money to advertise to children that they exist, as way to influence the adults in the county?
How about some seperation, either your doing for children or politics with the population.
Yes, make it clear what your objectives are, please?
In my personal opinion children should not be used as pawns in politics.
Still no answer to the following question, I wonder why? Is there no answer? Is there no pride?Quote from: Ross on March 18, 2012, 06:33:57 PM
Now how about you Elk Konnected, LLC Followers can you explain to us non-followers exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the Quality Of Life in Elk County?
Let's hear it,
Sing Their Praise Loud and Clear,
please.
What has Elk Konnected, LLC done for the Quality Of Life in Elk County?
Time for Elk Konnected, LLC to fill a required block to maintain their affiliation with Public Square Communities, LLC. That means a required 'Kommunity Konversation'. Look for it coming to a meeting place in Moline soon... perhaps early April. Let's talk about day-care this time.
Quote from: Patriot on March 26, 2012, 07:32:00 PM
Time for Elk Konnected, LLC to fill a required block to maintain their affiliation with Public Square Communities, LLC. That means a required 'Kommunity Konversation'. Look for it coming to a meeting place in Moline soon... perhaps early April. Let's talk about day-care this time.
They gotta use those
children every time they get a chance don't they?
Where would they be if they didn't have
children to capitallize on?
Just gotta exploit the
children , right? on 160 and 9
Do you reckon, that perhaps they will build that YMCA on 160 and 90 with a daycare center
children especially equipt for twins.
How about it Elk Konnected County Commissioner Hendricks, do you need day care for twins?
And, I am politely asking, not being vile ?
Will Elk Konnected, LLC be using the windfarm money for all that?
Isn't it time for Elk Konnected, LLC to be begging for $3000.00 to pay your dues to Public Squares Communities, LLC?
You surley wouldn't want to loose your accredation now would you?
Just what is that accredation good for? Is there a fancy piece of paper that goes with it?
I mean, I know the schools have accredation from the state and why?
But, I don't understand, why does a small privately owned business need accredation from another small company like Public Squares Communities, LLC. Could you explain that for us?
Isn't that simply the way the man earns part of his living, selling accredations for $3000.00 a year?
Please correct me if I am wrong.
But really, are you going to use the
children again?
Really though what has Elk Konnected, LLC done to provide
superior quality of life in Elk County?You just can seem to give an answer, can you??
It sure isn't the Community Conversations with
childrens colored stars on name tags and circle of chairs, and telling people who they can or not sit with, now is it?
It's not the
Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs is it?
It's not the open, honest two way dailog, is it?
Please tell us what Elk Konnected, LLC has done to provide a
superior quality of life in Elk County?
Thank you.
Isn't using children to gain political power and/or peoples trust a whole lot like,
using crime and criminals to disarm honest law abiding?
Wouldn't using children be about the same as disarming people to the real nature of what is going on?
Otherwise why exploit the children?
With lollipops and slipperslides when the the community festivals and community city councils, churches, schools etc. can take care of their own children?
Aren't both moves just wrong?
Didn't the West Elk School District say no to an attempt to exploit the children?
Why is a privately owned business spend so much time using children?
If this question can be asked of the President of the US
And the RNC was quick to put out a video, speculating what else Obama isn't telling us.
Why can't it be asked of a privately owned company, that portrays itself as a community organization with so called county conversations and such?
Anybody got a clue?
They are not using the children. This is a genuine problem in elk county. Right now there is 1 certified daycare in Elk County and they are closing and moving out of town. Can you not understand this is a major problem for working families in our county? Elk county will not be able to attract or sustain a population of young people if there is not adequate daycare. In most young families both parents are working and more often then not one of them will work out of town. Without daycare they can not live here. I could careless what organization is having the meeting, where the meeting is at, who is paying for it, or how many tax dollars it cost to have it. It is a major problem that needs attention.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 27, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
They are not using the children. This is a genuine problem in elk county. Right now there is 1 certified daycare in Elk County and they are closing and moving out of town. Can you not understand this is a major problem for working families in our county? Elk county will not be able to attract or sustain a population of young people if there is not adequate daycare. In most young families both parents are working and more often then not one of them will work out of town. Without daycare they can not live here. I could careless what organization is having the meeting, where the meeting is at, who is paying for it, or how many tax dollars it cost to have it. It is a major problem that needs attention.
While I might agree on the need, I sternly disagree that it is a function of government to provide or pay for the care. Perhaps someone might consider using their own resources or going to the bank with a good business plan, get a loan and start a daycare business.... wait... didn't someone do that already? Yes, they did, and the business closed. Need vs actual demand in the marketplace are two different things. If the perceived need is there, but people don't use the service when it's available, then the viability of the business becomes questionable.... and government has no business being in the business. Perhaps the fine folks at EK could lobby Enel to see if they would subsidize some daycare centers... Lord knows Enel's pockets are deep enough.
As for attracting people to Elk County, I think your belief that daycare would be a big help overlooks the reality that only a limited segment of the general population is willing to live here and work..... over there. People generally might likely rather live nearer their work. Maybe having some jobs here would help. Have you considered the tourism industry?
New elementary schools, new golf courses, new houses, new wellness centers, a daycare center, and new barns won't attract new people in sufficient numbers. Good paying jobs will. So what might it take to get employers to come here? Roads/infrastructure, services, reliable utilities, reasonable property tax rates? There's the role for government & taxpayer dollars.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 27, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
They are not using the children. This is a genuine problem in elk county. Right now there is 1 certified daycare in Elk County and they are closing and moving out of town. Can you not understand this is a major problem for working families in our county? Elk county will not be able to attract or sustain a population of young people if there is not adequate daycare. In most young families both parents are working and more often then not one of them will work out of town. Without daycare they can not live here. I could careless what organization is having the meeting, where the meeting is at, who is paying for it, or how many tax dollars it cost to have it. It is a major problem that needs attention.
Providing daycare is not the public's responsibility. That is the responsibility of the parent. If you can't afford it then keep your pants on. Simple isn't it. IF there is a need and there is a demand to be met, then someone can meet it. IF there isn't enough demand or the people involved are not willing to pay for the services rendered at the market price then it won't be there. Simple economics. But in no shape form or fashion should any tax dollar go to pay for folks daycare expenses. Thats just beyond ridiculous.
Quote from: Patriot on March 27, 2012, 01:46:45 PM
While I might agree on the need, I sternly disagree that it is a function of government to provide or pay for the care. Perhaps someone might consider using their own resources or going to the bank with a good business plan, get a loan and start a daycare business.... wait... didn't someone do that already? Yes, they did, and the business closed. Need vs actual demand in the marketplace are two different things. If the perceived need is there, but people don't use the service when it's available, then the viability of the business becomes questionable.... and government has no business being in the business. Perhaps the fine folks at EK could lobby Enel to see if they would subsidize some daycare centers... Lord knows Elel's pockets are deep enough.
As for attracting people to Elk County, I think your belief that daycare would be a big help overlooks the reality that only a limited segment of the general population is willing to live here and work..... over there. People generally might likely rather live nearer their work. Maybe having some jobs here would help. Have you considered the tourism industry?
New elementary schools, new golf courses, new houses, new wellness centers, a daycare center, and new barns won't attract new people in sufficient numbers. Good paying jobs will. So what might it take to get employers to come here? Roads/infrastructure, services, reliable utilities, reasonable property tax rates? There's the role for government & taxpayer dollars.
IF i were to have kids today i would most likely live in a town that had enough services to meet my needs as a parent and a town large enough to sustain itself. I would probably live outside of the town within 15 min of town. There is no future for kids in towns that are too small to provide jobs. Hell has anyone been down rock road lately? can't even go down it cause the county can't maintain it. IF they can't even maintain the roads how can they support and maintain a daycare.
I agree with a lot of what you are guys are saying. I don't believe that the county should pay for people's childcare, but if they can help establish a daycare then I'm all for it. The daycare that is closing is not closing for lack of demand. The demand is there but there just hasn't been anyone come forward to open or run a daycare.
The "thought" that if you had kids you wouldn't live here, you would live in a bigger town is exactly why we need a daycare. If there is someone thinking about moving to our area or back to our area and their is not a viable daycare or school then they will look elsewhere. Even to sustain the young families with children daycare and schools are vital. A parent/family is more likely to drive to work and live here if they know their kids are being well taken care of.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 27, 2012, 01:01:11 PM
They are not using the children. This is a genuine problem in elk county. Right now there is 1 certified daycare in Elk County and they are closing and moving out of town. Can you not understand this is a major problem for working families in our county? Elk county will not be able to attract or sustain a population of young people if there is not adequate daycare. In most young families both parents are working and more often then not one of them will work out of town. Without daycare they can not live here. I could careless what organization is having the meeting, where the meeting is at, who is paying for it, or how many tax dollars it cost to have it. It is a major problem that needs attention.
There is good money in daycare. So there ya go Patriot dad, start a new business.
But yes, in my opinion Elk Konnected, LLC capitalizes on children. They take our taxdollars and say it is for the children. So they buy a lollipop, but what happens to the left over money. Where is the documentation and the reciepts. Oh, that's right they are a privately owned company with closed books, right? They really are not a community organization open to the community are they?
So now Mr. Follower explain some more, please?
If you all can't get past what, to me, are some very minor issues to get some things done...and soon, it won't matter, it will be a dead issue, wind farm money or not.
It looks like there is some envy and some "dog in the manger" pettiness that you have just got to get past or you may have lots of freedom, an intact constitution, transparent but strangled leadership, people afraid to speak out and watching over their shoulder in fear of being verbally attacked, and a dead county. Is somebody going to be a Henry Ford? Sadly, I doubt it.
Again with the labels...Mr. Follower? Is that meant to scare him away? Discourage him? Gonna send him to a "shaming room?" I thought you wanted open comment? I'm surprised.
Yes, you can tell me to butt out, and I sure hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any positive, happy, productive comments on here in a long time. Just negatives. It's always what ''must" be torn apart, changed or destroyed. Just my opinion, take it or leave it. Who is Elel, by the way?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Who is Elel, by the way?
Sorry, mistress... it was a typo and should have been Enel. If you don't know who they are, then we have a real information disconnect.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 27, 2012, 02:47:55 PM
The daycare that is closing is not closing for lack of demand. The demand is there but there just hasn't been anyone come forward to open or run a daycare.
You mentioned one that is closing and the owners are moving (to a more highly populated area with better job ops, no doubt). Then there is another that closed in Howard in recent months. Apparently the demand and usage wasn't sufficient to support them.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
If you all can't get past what, to me, are some very minor issues to get some things done...and soon, it won't matter, it will be a dead issue, wind farm money or not. .
It looks like there is some envy and some "dog in the manger" pettiness that you have just got to get past or you may have lots of freedom, an intact constitution, transparent but strangled leadership, people afraid to speak out and watching over their shoulder in fear of being verbally attacked, and a dead county. Is somebody going to be a Henry Ford? Sadly, I doubt it.
I'm sorry, I disagree with you about the pettiness. We have, what I consider a privately owned company called Elk Konnected, LLC claiming to be a Community organization that controls our County government and may have more control over our Local School Board that my be less then healthy for our local system. There is nothing petty about that. If you haven't heard most of the people in the US are not happy about Corporate America controlling our Federal Government either. I wonder why?
Elk Konnected, LLC needs to have what they call a Community Conversation to maintain their
status with the other little company called Public Squares Communities, LLC. That would be the main purpose of the meeting. There is nothing that Elk Konnected, LLC has the power to do (in reality) about a daycare at that meeting. In my opinion if the Company Elk Konnected, LLC wants a daycare center they should start one with their own resources (money). I simply say put up or shut up. But wait a minute they failed at running their own business of the Wellness Center in Howard and sold it, right? And these are the people with visionaries that think they can tell everyone else what to do, how are they qualified to do that? The man that bought it appears to be running it successfully, so far. There is something positive about the Wellness Center , no longer owned by Elk Konnected, LLC. Petty I don't think so?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Again with the labels...Mr. Follower? Is that meant to scare him away? Discourage him? Gonna send him to a "shaming room?" I thought you wanted open comment? I'm surprised.
There was no intent of being ugly, I usually just say follower, I was showing a little respect for him posting. I believe calling a man Mr. is respectable. I'm sorry you mis-interpreted my intent. My apologizes Patriotdad if I came across wrong to you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2012, 03:12:29 PM
Yes, you can tell me to butt out, and I sure hope I'm wrong, but I haven't seen any positive, happy, productive comments on here in a long time. Just negatives. It's always what ''must" be torn apart, changed or destroyed. Just my opinion, take it or leave it. Who is Elel, by the way?
Don't go away Diane, give me something positive to work with, please?
Show me something positive about Elk Konnected, LLC, please?
I have been asking and no one can tell me a single thing that Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the quality of life they have been preaching for the last 4 or 5 years.
Not one thing from Elk Konnected, LLC or it's followers, why?
It appears to me they just want to feel important or they are hiding something, what do you think of that?
Do you know even the slightest thing they have done, besides handing out lollipops with taxpayers dollars?
Really they are a business, with supposedly business expertise, why can't they open a daycare without having a Community Conversation?
Our Elk Konnected County Commissioners seem to support our Elk Konnected Economic Development employee that the people she is working with under economic development has to keep who they are and what they are doing secret from the taxpayers who foot the bill. So why can't Elk Konnected, LLC keep it secret until they start a daycare, no meeting required under the standards set by the County Government.
Because they are required by Public Squares Communities, LLC to have a public meeting. They really are not designed to accomplish anything, but to controll that's my opinion, except to fullfill the requirement of Public Squares Communities, LLC and to make headlines in the newspaper. Just my opinion.
And they usually have poped up at times when county money is involved. Right now it apears to be happening because the County may get a check soon from the windfarm soon. Is that convient or coincidence?
I can personally see why the EK folks may have intended to communicate here 'way back when but then decided not to.Having my own comments picked apart word by word and line by line has made me feel like a plucked chicken. ;D People should be able to write here freely off the top of their heads so to speak, and not be made to feel like they have to have a lawyer standing by.
Is EK really planning to start a daycare? I didn't know that.
By the way, how would telling Patriotdad to go start a day care be considered anything but a putdown in view of the context of the conversation? It's not like you and I poking at each other in fun.He was very serious.
I'm going to go think about this again.I really do wish I could help in some way.
Elk County has some great daycare providers already...That's why a standard, stand-alone daycare hasn't been started up to now in Elk County.
Diane, your remark about pettiness was found by me to be rather negative, so I asked you to give us something positive to work with. And what I got was self pitty about tearing your post apart line by line. I was simply responding to your post as clearly as possible. I said, "I'm sorry, I disagree with you about the pettiness."
Simple and not attacking.
I even asked that you not go away as you suggested that you might do.
I feel that line by line or subject by subject responses keep things from getting confusing and I find nothing belittleing or disingenuous about it either. Just honest and clear for better understanding.
I don't believe you can defend Elk Konnected, LLC's or it's followers coming and going based on your statements. It is simply because in my opinion they can not hold up to what they say being challenged is why they come and go. And no other reason.
Apparently no one can show anything positive or any improvements to the quality of llfe that Elk Konnected has said they were going to do for the last 4 or 5 years, why do you suppose that is? Especially with all the money they have shown to have acquired through "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, don't you think there would be something even a tiny little something?
Perhaps that is why Elk Konnected County Commissioner Liebau finds these posts so "VILE" ?
And Iam not the least bit upset about him call these posts "VILE". He said so publicly during a County Commissioners meeting. And to explain why I believe that, I find it supports these posts as being right on the money. My opinion.
Quote from: Catwoman on March 28, 2012, 04:27:59 AM
Elk County has some great daycare providers already...That's why a standard, stand-alone daycare hasn't been started up to now in Elk County.
Catwoman you say Elk County
HAS some great daycare providers already.
Which I think is great news.
So as to clarify, I feel compelled to ask are those Elk County day care providers still available?
If they are still available perhaps someone could give the some free advertisment with a short blurb here and on the forum under General announcements & Events.
We would not want to interfere with anyone daycare business but to promote wouldn't we?
And to tell them good job, right?
I think that would be a good thing for everyone. Don't you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 27, 2012, 09:45:27 PM
I can personally see why the EK folks may have intended to communicate here 'way back when but then decided not to.Having my own comments picked apart word by word and line by line has made me feel like a plucked chicken. ;D People should be able to write here freely off the top of their heads so to speak, and not be made to feel like they have to have a lawyer standing by.
Is EK really planning to start a daycare? I didn't know that.
By the way, how would telling Patriotdad to go start a day care be considered anything put a put-down in view of the context of the conversation? It's not like you and I poking at each other in fun.He was very serious.
I'm going to go think about this again.I really do wish I could help in some way.
He wasn't putting him down. he was serious. Most things like day cares are started by people and successfully ran by people like folks like patriotdad. You can't have a successful business if your government pays for it. It ain't possible because the money is siphoned off from taxpayers. Only when it is a at risk business do people take care to make sure it makes a profit in order for it to remain in business next year. Any time a Govt.entity subsidizes something it is screwed from the beginning as the government has all kinds of strings attached to any subsidy they give out. You essentially lose your business to the government. Its just as simple as that. Also with subsidization if it disappears it means the business cannot run without it as there was no market for it in the beginning to support it.
Amen!
Catwoman-There is not a single certified daycare in the entire county.
Patriot-I know for a fact that the 1 certified daycare was turning people away because they were full. I would assume that means there is a demand. This was in Howard.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 28, 2012, 07:38:52 AM
Catwoman-There is not a single certified daycare in the entire county.
Patriot-I know for a fact that the 1 certified daycare was turning people away because they were full. I would assume that means there is a demand. This was in Howard.
Then the question arises... if it was a booming business and the owner(s) needed to vacate, was there an attempt to sell the business to a new owner? Heck, EK was able to sell a failing fitness center. Why not a thriving day care? A question of business acumen perhaps?
Man i wouldn't want the liability of a day care business. I can understand why no one would want to start up one or buy a thriving one. I personally would rather handle dynamite than to have to deal with that situation.
Quote from: srkruzich on March 28, 2012, 08:47:16 AM
Man i wouldn't want the liability of a day care business. I can understand why no one would want to start up one or buy a thriving one.
Me either, but then again that's why insurance companies exist.
Quote from: Patriot on March 28, 2012, 08:54:38 AM
Me either, but then again that's why insurance companies exist.
yeah i know but i couldn't handle the personal guilt that would feel if something bad happened. It wouldn't mean i was at fault or that i could do anythign bout it but its just like if i were driving a 18 wheeler and ran over a bunch of kids that pulled out in front of me. I had that fear for years when i drove a truck. I had a young gal hit me once almost ran under my truck but teh good lord guided her car into my front tire and sent her off into a parking lot. she had a infant in the back seat. I felt awful about it when it happened and it wasn't even my fault she passed me on the right jumped over the curb to get around me when i was turning right.
Quote from: patriotdad on March 28, 2012, 07:38:52 AM
Catwoman-There is not a single certified daycare in the entire county.
Patriot-I know for a fact that the 1 certified daycare was turning people away because they were full. I would assume that means there is a demand. This was in Howard.
Catwoman, I suppose you have been corrected by a follower ?
Is certification required in Elk County?If so, why haven't the uncertified day cares been forced into compliance?
Aren't there laws involved?Wouldn't that fall under Elk Konnected, LLC's
"Superior Lifestyle" they want to produce in Elk County?
Patriotdad, what you point out raises a lot more questions, don't you think?Does that represent another failure by Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Perhaps that is the goal, is that a good guess, to shut down the daycare facilities that are already here in Elk County?But really, if you are all that concerned that there be a buisness started for Certified Day Care why not start one?
You could put all those other daycare's out of business and get rich, right?
Just leave the County out of it, perhaps the state has deeper pockets and might want to allow for
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" monies, how about that?
But really, private business is not what the Elk County Government is about is it?
And, I would suggest that because, I would believe that any Elk Konnected, LLC
Meeting called a
Community Conversation concerning such a thing, would be attended by one or two Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners making it Elk County Business. My opinion because at least one of those two, make it to every Elk Konnected, LLC meeting. Also one of them has made it perfectly clear, in public that she wears so many "hats", she can not keep them straight.
Ergo County Government business!
Ergo County coffers!
So, what is the real purpose?
Oh yea, isn't the county expecting a large check from the windfarm soon, or have they already recieved it?
Elk Konnected, LLC is privy to that information before anyboddy else in the county, right?
Perhaps, they could share that information with the real community people?
Quote from: Ross on March 28, 2012, 11:26:32 AM
Is certification required in Elk County?
If so, why haven't the uncertified day cares been forced into compliance?
Certification isn't required as long as you meet KDHE requirements.
1) Child care is provided for not more than two children unrelated to the provider for not more than 20 hours a week and the home has not been closed as a result of enforcement action.** Total time is determined by adding the hours each child is cared for weekly.
2) Irregular child care is arranged between friends and neighbors on an exchange basis.
3) Child care is provided in the child's own home.
4) Child care is provided in the home of the child's relative.
I would assume most parents would prefer that the daycare they take their child to is certified. This gives them piece of mind that the daycare is insured, meeting health and safety codes, not over crowded... This would especially give the parent piece of mind when leaving them with someone they don't know personally. Also the cost of daycare is tax deductible so paying a certified daycare not just a unlicensed neighbor makes that a lot simpler.
Interesting information from you all. Ross, I don't recall saying I was leaving, just that I wanted to think on it some more. I have a feeling that in general, the EK activities for kids are well attended, and have been well received, so not everyone must see everything that EK does as useless lollipops....or folks wouldn't participate and I'm sure they know as well as any of you where the money comes from.
Not being there, I would surely mix up who has sponsored what, but I think the movies, day camps and various activities are good things. As to whether they are duplicates I can't say.
Wouldn't it nicer to just let go of those disappointments that have been listed over and over and go on to other positive projects? Gold stars? After all this time?
It's a shame the wellness center seems to have failed, but if EK was able to sell it, what's the problem?
I understand what the original EK intent was and there have been very vocal detractors from the outset, even the LLC business...I talked to a lawyer friend who agreed going LLC was a very good idea for them, but so many LLC agreements are custom made for the group and that they can be hard to explain....It can be a business that really isn't a business for liability purposes. It sounds dodgy but really isn't. It's beyond me to really explain the details. I just barely get it myself, but I'll try one or two examples.
As I understood, it essentially means one can't sue for more than the group is worth, nor can the "members'' be sued individually. I don't know of course, but the Howard pool might be set up in a similar way. In this case it wasn't mean to hide shady dealings or hide what's in the books. It's very wise protection from lawsuits.
NCC has the same thing for their riding stables. It is held separately from the county in such a fashion that ,in spite of the riders signing wavers, a filed suit cannot collect more than one day's receipt. The county cannot be sued for kazillions in a frivolous suit nor can the county be forced into bankruptcy. Aren't people expected to have their own insurance?
Some people will try their darndest to come up with something to sue about. Hence escape clauses. Enough from me. I'm still not sure whether EK is going to try to start some sort of day care center. Perhaps I'll stay out of that one. ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 28, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
I understand what the original EK intent was and there have been very vocal detractors from the outset, even the LLC business...I talked to a lawyer friend who agreed going LLC was a very good idea for them, but so many LLC agreements are custom made for the group and that they can be hard to explain....It can be a business that really isn't a business for liability purposes. It sounds dodgy but really isn't. It's beyond me to really explain the details. I just barely get it myself, but I'll try one or two examples.
As I understood, it essentially means one can't sue for more than the group is worth, nor can the "members'' be sued individually. I don't know of course, but the Howard pool might be set up in a similar way. In this case it wasn't mean to hide shady dealings or hide what's in the books. It's very wise protection from lawsuits.
Let's just bear in mind that this LLC is organized under Kansas law, as verified by the Secretary of State, as a for-profit enterprise. Not a non-profit 501(c)(3) organization. As a 501(c)(3) they would still be able to obtain liability protection, but would also have qualified for grants that they have previously leaned on the county government entity to obtain & pass through. As a 501(c)(3) ownership and many other things might be available for better understanding/communication. As a for profit LLC, and because of our locally poor government forethought, once public funds are transferred to or through this LCC, accountability to the public becomes murky at best or non-existent at worst. Just sayin'.
My fire company is 501 ( c ) (3). I know there are non profit LLCs. Kansas doesn't allow for them? Non profit LLCs aren't common, but can allow for much more flexibility when the few "members" wear different hats, according to an article I recently found while working on a project. Mayer & Riser PPLC, Attorneys at Law "Nonprofit LLCs, Time for a New Experiment." I found it interesting.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 28, 2012, 01:42:31 PM
...Non profit LLCs aren't common, but can allow for much more flexibility when the few "members" wear different hats...
My point, exactly. And Lord knows we've heard plenty about wearing 'different hats' from EK & our Konnected Kommissioners in the last year.
Just as the same as Corporate America controlling just about every aspect of our Federal Government, I find it very wrong.
It should be left up to all the voters not to business. I can see a definite conflict of interest, a lack of integrity and a lack of ethics and principles in it. My opinion.
Diane...as much as I would like to disagree with you, ahem....I actually think you brought up good legal points as well as Patriot. :o
I have followed this thread from the beginning, decided not to weigh in as I am not a taxpayer in Elk County, yest was concerned as to the methods that are being used at the local government......and I happen to see a pattern of thought:
Ross was tossed out of a meeting (albeit in a non-conflicting way) and is now questioning their methods of meetings. Valid concern, yet questionable as to his tactics of 'drill, baby drill' of questioning. sorry Ross :-\
This is not what concerns me. What concerns me is the conflict of interest within the Elk County Commisioners, and perhaps the Elk County School Board.
There seems to be 5 threads going on in this one:
1. Elk Konnected, and it's affilliations with the community
2. Elk Schools, refer to #1
3. Government involvement, refer to #1
4. Unethical or inapproprient actions of the county commisioners, refer to #1
5. Flat out disgust at who is in office (with the exceptino of Mr. Ritz...of whom I believe will 'balls up' to the other two....and then again, he may not be re-elected if he does). It's a catch-22.
and my opinon, just my opinion with no facts:
6. Everyone wants open and honest communication.
It's just that no one wants to tell the truth and be blasted for it, line by line and thought by thought.
No one wanst to tell the truth and be open to questionable operations, when it MAY or MAYNOT be legal. Sometimes the leagese is so convoluted, that it gets misconstrued to the average joe. (unless you are patriot or dianne!! :P
This open, honest communication needs to come to the commissioner's meeting, face to face with the taxpayer's as the audience.
Otherwise, this thread becomes a mental massaging of information, rights, legalaties and ethics.
No wonder no one responds!
ready now for another 3 months
Quote from: readyaimduck on March 28, 2012, 04:31:52 PM
There seems to be 5 threads going on in this one:
1. Elk Konnected, and it's affilliations with the community
2. Elk Schools, refer to #1
3. Government involvement, refer to #1
4. Unethical or inapproprient actions of the county commisioners, refer to #1
5. Flat out disguest at who is in office (with the exceptino of Mr. Ritz...of whom I believe will 'balls up' to the other two....and then again, he may not be re-elected if he does). It's a catch-22.
and my opinon, just my opinion with no facts:
6. Everyone wants open and honest communication.
It's just that no one wants to tell the truth and be blasted for it, line by line and thought by thought.
No one wanst to tell the truth and be open to questionable operations, when it MAY or MAYNOT be legal. Sometimes the leagese is so convoluted, that it gets misconstrued to the average joe. (unless you are patriot or dianne!! :P
Can anyone point out the common denominator?
uh....um... Elk and governmet???????
(edited) Elk Konnected and government
actually it would be the 6
5/6 ;D
Hi Ready,
Glad to hear from you.
You don't owe me a sorry, you tell it like it is, is my present opinion.
I did bring up a fact at the county commissioners meeting concerning Youth Development Employee (who was hired because Elk Konnected LLC wanted her hired and the fact that she was only doing anything if it was Elk Konnected, LLC and that she had done nothing all winter. And I asked why we needed to pay for such a position. Immediately I was told by a County Commissioner that he would defend Elk Konnected, LLC and attempted to change the subject. Someone else talked up and out of the clear blue the Youth Development Employee said that she was going to set up some movies, I odn't believe anything was planned up to that point. (I don't understand where there is any youth development in a simple movie for entertainment.) But anyway the Commissioner then made the remarl that my posts are VILE in a rather loue voice and said I should volunteer but failed to say what to volunteer for again in a rather loud voice. Nice treatment at a County Commissioners meeting, huh? I was so shocked by his attitude I was speechless. If it should happen again perhaps I have been prepared foor it.
Oh, our Youth Development Employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering committee unless they have recently removed her or she quit.
Ready, I'm not sure why you wanted to be able to disagree with me, (am I that awful? :'( ) but you certainly may because you don't call names, label people and are polite about what your disagreement is. You don't come off with a "take no prisoners'' attitude. You are one who I think can just agree to disagree when it makes sense to do so.
Ross, is that part time YDE just paid when there is work to do, like perhaps an hourly or contract worker? I'm just curious.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 28, 2012, 05:24:53 PM
Ross, is that part time YDE just paid when there is work to do, like perhaps an hourly or contract worker? I'm just curious.
No. Salary & expensive employer paid health plan. Part of the salary is as YDE the other part is for Economic Development Director.
Total compensation package? Somewhere north of $35-40K/year. Or, put another way, just south of the 2012 road budget cuts for 2012. Or, put another way, a good start on the package for a county manager/administrator to help alleviate the micromanagement tendencies of our commissioners.
So you would cut those functions entirely? What would a good county administrator out there be paid? I know our County Executive and our county council members fuss and fume at each other too. Same deal just bigger numbers.
Ask the comissioners to relieve the Youth Develpment person, and pay her 1/2 salary to do what she did?
A janitor as we knew it, is now an "enviroinmental services employee" the cook was a 'nutritional services employee'...it's all about symantics to the politcally correct......OH, let's not offend anyone.
Well, hell.....an equine extraction distributor is a Horse manuer pitchforker to me, or a stableboy!
Take that money and put towards the infrastructure. 1. roads 2 bridges. 3 ????
(Without those, you can't get into town to build a town.)
The community will have to offer more, and that is not necessarily Howard. Howard is not Elk County.
Think back to the Gold Rush Days...Warph, need help. Towns thived with what?
Need for jobs...money that would pay for those jobs....something for the kids to see other than a computer and an IPod...real life?????? anyone have a clue what that is without electronics?
Where does the money come from???? the same place it always has come from.
We/Us/Me/You by interesting fundraisers, well planned, well timed and to the interest.
Lots of money thrown from the county, the state, the feds to a specific business is not always a good thing, unless vetted by all.
We have gutted it all our lives to take care of our own.
Why have we become so "sacrificial' in the name of correctnes?
I question wether the shade of the Elm tree called Elk Konnected has just not killed all of the grass that is supporting it???
(No facts, just questions) Oh, Lord! do I sound like Ross??? :o ;:)
Diane:
I find your ideas a bit Northeastern and well within your limits.
I do not always agree with your perspective to our area, however...You are correct that I disagree and agree to respect that.
Our personCounty Coordinator is paid over 20K. (SE Kansas)
Off to bed, y'all play nice now.
<<<<<<<yawns....ready
Nighty night Ready.
I'm done for the night too!
So, Let me try to figure this out.
We don't have a certified daycare center in Elk County, right?
Be we do have state approved daycare and supposedly sufficient to meet the needs of a few people, do I understand that correctly?
So, if we put in a certified daycare, I figure that would take business away from the people in buisness for who knows how long and remove their needed income.
And that would show good economic development practices in what way?
Is it good economic development to put small business out of buisness, because someone else wants to take advantage of County Programs to support their own buisness?
Would these other people do it without County Programs and taxpayers money?
Is it perhaps required to support tourism from the east side of the county to the west side of the county?
And therefore, put the little people out of buisness?
I don't really understand that?
You know I wonder?
How many people might buy into a cut throat program
that might be subsidised by taxpayer programs
and would possibly force small business out of business?
I just wonder?
Would that be a positive thing?
Would that be a christian thing?
I don't expect any answers!
I just wonder what's right and what's wrong
with society today?
When's a positive a negative
and
When's a negative a positive?
Do people matter?
Or do business' matter more?
Do organizations matter
or do people matter more?
Where are the morales?
Where is the decency?
Good old American Capitalism supports competition among businesses to win clients. The Walmart syndrome comes to mind. Unfortunately, to do otherwise is called protectionism and is frowned on. The "capture theory" means that the older business is in danger of losing clients to the new business nearby, who sets out to capture the old businesses' clients by offering something that is somehow better.
Day cares closing during tough economic times isn't unusual. If one parent loses their job, they can't afford day care, but then again they don't need it, because they aren't working.
Diane, I wasn't talking of daycares shutting down here in Elk County because of tough economic times.
I was talking about a new daycare possibly supported by government taxpayers dollars that may cause people that have been providing the service through their little business' to be forced out and lose the income their families need to survive.
Is that waht government is about?
Hurting the little people?
Yea, let's force those little people on welfare?
Wouldn't that be a positive thing to do?
Wouldn't that be a christian thing to do?
That would be the moral, ethical, principled, christian and economic development thing to do, I suppose?
I had already asked if EK was planning to start a day care and got no answer. Is it a premature question or something that is coming up for discussion or what? I know sometimes how one feels about this kind of thing depends on one's perspective.
This isn't the same of course but we've had a problem here with our prison. Folks want the inmates to raise their own food to save tax payer money, but the people who have contracts to sell to the prison don't want to lose the income...who wins? How does one decide? Yes, I know it's none of my business, but these kinds of things happen in many small communities.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 30, 2012, 11:29:08 AM
I had already asked if EK was planning to start a day care and got no answer. Is it a premature question or something that is coming up for discussion or what? I know sometimes how one feels about this kind of thing depends on one's perspective.
This isn't the same of course but we've had a problem here with our prison. Folks want the inmates to raise their own food to save tax payer money, but the people who have contracts to sell to the prison don't want to lose the income...who wins? How does one decide? Yes, I know it's none of my business, but these kinds of things happen in many small communities.
The subject has been alluded to in the last several days by a follower and expounded on by myself and others. As to whether Elk Konnected, LLC would start it, I doubt it. They could not run their supposed Wellness Center and closed and sold it, to someone who can.
I agree with you Diane prisons and daycare are as different as apples and oranges. And I bet you have more prison employees than adults living in Longton. I'd almost bet there are more prisoners then there are adults in Elk County? But I don't have enough information to make that bet. Who owns and runs your prison, that would be the first question in the matter of it's operation? I would like to know what the population of the county is? I forget please remind me what state you live in and give me a county so I can check the county population.
But, I think I hear you suggestion that if government is involved it would be the moral, ethical, principled, Christian and Economic Development thing to do, is that what I am hearing? I personally think it would lack the moral, ethical, principled, Christian attitudes that should prevail over more money.
This is just an open discussion in hopes that people are not hurt by a government supported daycare.
In hopes that the people that have been providing daycare without government support are not forced out of business and on to the welfare rolls. I believe these people providing the service should recieve recognition versus being driven out buy government.
My opinion.
No, I did not suggest that a Gov't run daycare is or isn't moral or the rest of your list.
Since you are speaking of the situation out there, I don't have an opinion. I already said I would stay out of it. I am just interested.
Again, I live in the little mid Atlantic state of Delaware. The state has about 907,000 people, with my county, New Castle, the northern County of only three, having about 538,000 of the total population. The big state run men's prison is in rural lower New Castle County. I don't know any longer how many corrections officers and other employees there are. Some years ago, before I retired from the State Fire School in Dover, I was one of their instructors when they ran their Corrections Officers' Training Academy for their new recruits. I did their medical first responder, fire evacuation and hand held fire extinguisher training. I hope you took notes, I'll be giving a pop quiz later. ;)
I'd flunk your pop quiz.
I got a short memory.
I ain't meaning to be ugly or to serious with ya Diane.
Just take me with a grain of salt.
You can throw the grain salt over your shoulder for luck.
But don't throw me, please.
I got work to do, talk to you later.
Having Trouble Finding Daycare?
Please come to this community conversation to discuss this issue within our community.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
6:30 pm
The Hornet's Nest (old Moline Gym)
Free Childcare Provided (night of conversation)
Elk Konnected
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Diane, and others -
This is the announcement I saw about the Day Care meeting.
Thanks Mom. I did promise to stay out of this one. ;)
Ross ,when I was still a very active EMT, after we had all our self defense training,I could have taken you right over my shoulder and broken some of your fingers on the way. We did practice on each other and several of our really big guys were surprised when I took them down. I'm out of practice now so I'll stick with just the salt over my left shoulder. :angel:
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 01, 2012, 08:48:46 AM
Having Trouble Finding Daycare?
Please come to this community conversation to discuss this issue within our community.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
6:30 pm
The Hornet's Nest (old Moline Gym)
Free Childcare Provided (night of conversation)
Elk Konnected
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Diane, and others -
This is the announcement I saw about the Day Care meeting.
That's what we have been talking about for the last week or so.
Thanks for posting it.
Ihave never heard of the Hornet's Nest, can some tell me what that's about?
I am curious about what the Hornet's nest is?
What community is having a meeting?
Wouldn't it be important to know that?
Would that be Elk Konnected's imaginary Kommunity where a few people are Konnected?
What Community, pray tell?
Is that a community of christians that would shut down other peoples business?
But really what could possibly happen at a meeting with someone telling you what circle of chairs to sit in, and who you can sit with, whether or not you can have a real conversation with questions and real answers?
Really check it out and let us know what nohing really happens except that Elk Konnected, LLC the privately owned company meets the requirements of Public Square, LLC's requirement of holding a meeting to maintain their standing with Public Squares, LLC? I do believe they are required to have so called Community Conversations to, that is right isn't it?
Will Elk Konnected, LLC start a daycare center? Does Elk Konnected, LLC have the money to start a daycare center?
If they do will they run it like they ran it like they did their Wellness Center? You know shut it down due to not enough business? And if you place a few of your children there, will you then be able to quickly move them back to the daycare they were previously at?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC have plans of getting their hands on more Elk County taxpayers money to start a daycare?
You know,
Beggar-Thy-Neighbor Money?Oh yes, let's not forget the windfarm money, I'm sure for some people it falls under money as something different. But it would still be in the Elk County Coffers and taxpayers money, right? Couldn't that be used for the benefit of all taxpayers.
I still personally feel the money should be left in the bank and draw some interest and wait untill after the elections and perhaps until we find out how much will actually be paid by the wind farm after the first year of operation.
I know we have been lead to believe the yearly amount will be close to a million dollars. But consider, I believe that is based on 100% efficiency. I believe, we have learned that wind farms are but only 20% to 35% efficient. So without going into great depth my guess would be between
$200,000 to
$350,000 is what the county should be counting on receiving yearly. I sure hope I'm wrong! Just my guess, my estimate. So what would be wrong with waitng a short time to see what comes about so that people with greedy tendencies don't spend it wastefully. If the money was allowed to draw interest, I believe in the words of Elk Konnected, LLC the county could build something that could last a long, long time, a large bank account. Compounding interest on a large some of money tends to grow quickly.
Just my thoughts and questions and opinions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 01, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
Thanks Mom. I did promise to stay out of this one. ;)
Ross ,when I was still a very active EMT, after we had all our self defense training,I could have taken you right over my shoulder and broken some of your fingers on the way. We did practice on each other and several of our really big guys were surprised when I took them down. I'm out of practice now so I'll stick with just the salt over my left shoulder. :angel:
Now that's funny Diane.
You surely could have thrown me over your shoulder.
You know why?
I have never in my life, lifted so much as a finger to a woman, and I am teaching my son the same matters.
That's why I suggested the salt.
LOL
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 01, 2012, 08:48:46 AM
Having Trouble Finding Daycare?
Please come to this community conversation to discuss this issue within our community.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
6:30 pm
The Hornet's Nest (old Moline Gym)
Free Childcare Provided (night of conversation)
Elk Konnected
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Elk connect continues to do good for the people of elk county. Elk county has always been big on "help thy neighbor". Keep up the good work and ignore the negative comments by others.
This is the announcement I saw about the Day Care meeting.
Why Ross, ya never heard of the Moline Hornets? (poke poke) Hence the Hornets nest? I'm just playin' with ya.They poke at me because I don't live there, but I do know important information like that. :-* ;)
Quote from: Ross on April 01, 2012, 10:55:27 AM
Oh yes, let's not forget the windfarm money, I'm sure for some people it falls under money as something different. But it would still be in the Elk County Coffers and taxpayers money, right? Couldn't that be used for the benefit of all taxpayers.
I still personally feel the money should be left in the bank and draw some interest and wait untill after the elections and perhaps until we find out how much will actually be paid by the wind farm after the first year of operation.
I know we have been lead to believe the yearly amount will be close to a million dollars. But consider, I believe that is based on 100% efficiency. I believe, we have learned that wind farms are but only 20% to 35% efficient. So without going into great depth my guess would be between $200,000 to $350,000 is what the county should be counting on receiving yearly. I sure hope I'm wrong! Just my guess, my estimate. So what would be wrong with waitng a short time to see what comes about so that people with greedy tendencies don't spend it wastefully. If the money was allowed to draw interest, I believe in the words of Elk Konnected, LLC the county could build something that could last a long, long time, a large bank account. Compounding interest on a large some of money tends to grow quickly.
Just my thoughts and questions and opinions.
Ross, it doesn't matter how many times you throw out this guestimate idea of how much money the PILOT agreement with the Caney River Wind Project will generate. The amount to be received by the county is fixed by legal document and has nothing to do with effeciency or actual production. It is tied to installed gross nameplate capacity as measured in megawatts. That number should currently (for the year 2012) be 201 MW. That number times the PILOT per MW gives you the total PILOT for each of the 20 years of the agreement. The amount per MW starts at $4500 in year one and increases by 2% (compounding) each year for the remaining 19 years.
The documentation of this has been presented on this thread multiple times.
Just another
fact that you conveniently choose to disregard because it doesn't fit your narrow, negative viewpoint of the situation.
Flint just for the purpose of conversation, it doesn't hurt to wait and see how it plays out does it?
After all hasn't the county had a few problems with the windfarm already?
Have they recieved the initial start up money yet?
Hasn't our road man expressed problems communicating with the windfarm about road repair?
Weren't the county commissioners told that it would have to be dealt with by the windfarm's legal department?
But, still what's the hurry to spend, spend, spend?
Quote from: Ross on April 01, 2012, 12:10:47 PM
Flint just for the purpose of conversation, it doesn't hurt to wait and see how it plays out does it?
After all hasn't the county had a few problems with the windfarm already?
Have they recieved the initial start up money yet?
Hasn't our road man expressed problems communicating with the windfarm about road repair?
Weren't the county commissioners told that it would have to be dealt with by the windfarm's legal department?
But, still what's the hurry to spend, spend, spend?
Ross, nothing you said here or previously changes the legal requirements under the PILOT agreement.
For 2010: Based on nameplate production of 2010 certified towers operational about $850,500 was due and payable 31 Dec 2011. Promise by developer that the check would be cut March 2. As of yesterday..sStill not received. Brilliant bush lawer that negotiated the agreement made no provision for late payment or interest. Loss to county so far @ 1% per annum is about the amount of one county commissioner's net wages per month. If the agreement had provided for a business standard penalty of 18% the loss would be about $38,000 so far or close to the annual compensation package for the Economic Development Director/EK Youth Development Coordinator. That makes for an interesting idea or two. If we can ever get around to understanding that public funds are not the 'property of county officers/employees.
Could it be that at the instant the project could be secured and personal leases would ensue that somebody kinda lost focus on the county's (citizen's) interests? Public trust? What's that?
Read the road agreement and also no reclamation agreement (as is strongly encouraged by the state) was ever prepared. Sounds like I got mine, y'all are on your own. Leadership? You decide.
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Quote from: Patriot on April 01, 2012, 12:47:06 PM
Public trust? What's that?
I will continue to put my faith and trust in the duly elected officials of the county, and the people they have selected to carry out the county's business. To place that faith and trust in people who see nothing but evil behind every person, cow and hedge tree that exists in Elk County would require one's brain to be devoid of all common sense.
Quote from: flintauqua on April 01, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
To place that faith and trust in people who see nothing but evil behind every person, cow and hedge tree that exists in Elk County would require one's brain to be devoid of all common sense.
Notable comment. Thomas Jefferson Put his faith and trust in the people, not the Government. So his brain according to you must have been devoid of all common sense then.
it was the "people" in whom Jefferson trusted as the foundation and ultimate security of self-governing institutions
John Adams wrote in 1772, "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1799, "Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
By the words of men long ago, faith in any government official is a foolish and dangerous faith. Only a fool would trust the fox to guard the henhouse!
Quote from: srkruzich on April 01, 2012, 01:23:34 PM
Notable comment. Thomas Jefferson Put his faith and trust in the people, not the Government. So his brain according to you must have been devoid of all common sense then.
it was the "people" in whom Jefferson trusted as the foundation and ultimate security of self-governing institutions
John Adams wrote in 1772, "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." Thomas Jefferson wrote in 1799, "Free government is founded in jealousy, not confidence. It is jealousy and not confidence which prescribes limited constitutions, to bind those we are obliged to trust with power.... In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
By the words of men long ago, faith in any government official is a foolish and dangerous faith. Only a fool would trust the fox to guard the henhouse!
I'm sure glad the people of the day had faith in and placed their trust in people like Jefferson, Adams, Washington, Franklin, Madison and all of their contemporaries that founded this great nation and created the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
If we all presume that the minute a person is elected or appointed to a governmental office or position they immediately change from the person we entrusted with that position into a person that can't be trusted to tell you the time of day, then who in their right mind is going to serve in public office.
Since this thread long ago became a potpourri of many sub-topics, jump back with me to the issue of the upcoming meeting regarding daycare. There are many types of daycare: daycare in a registered home, daycare in a licensed home, daycare by a non-profit organization such as a church, daycare in a for-profit center. Can someone please point out to me in the meeting notice provided where it says the purpose is to discuss Elk Konnected, LLC starting a for-profit center? I read it as being a meeting to discuss the issue of daycare in general.
For Ross, and anyone else interested,
For decades the mascot for the Moline public school was the hornet--blues hornets at that. The locker room was fondly referred to as the Hornet's Nest. When the school property was closed and sold to the City of Moline, they had a contest to name the entire facility and Hornet's Nest won.
Thank You. DD. Gee, now how did lil' old "outsider" me know that? I know a lot more about things out there than I've ever been given credit for. Does it matter? No, of course not. Now back to the matter at hand.
Quote from: flintauqua on April 01, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
I will continue to put my faith and trust in the duly elected officials of the county, and the people they have selected to carry out the county's business. To place that faith and trust in people who see nothing but evil behind every person, cow and hedge tree that exists in Elk County would require one's brain to be devoid of all common sense.
Don't you mean the duly elected Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, there is only one that appears not to be Konnected by and has the county's best interest in mind and not Elk Konnected, LLC, Can you understand that?
But of course you are a follower, right?
But again, I ask what's the hurry to spend, spend, spend?
And I still think it's a visionary statement to say, "Wait and see what unfold", I have heard and read many times in my life time that catracts are only written on paper and easily broken or misunderstood.
And it does happen frequently doesn't it?
So again what's the rush to spend?
I can only think of for a big rush to spend would be
greed, can you provide another reason?
Or perhaps the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners may get voted out of office and lose control of the money?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 01, 2012, 01:06:28 PM
I will continue to put my faith and trust in the duly elected officials of the county, and the people they have selected to carry out the county's business. To place that faith and trust in people who see nothing but evil behind every person, cow and hedge tree that exists in Elk County would require one's brain to be devoid of all common sense.
Well, now don't you have that same faith in the Elected official of the Great State of Kansas?
And all those Elected Congressmen and Senators?
And how about the President and the Vice President of the United States Of America?
I suppose you are totally satisfied with all the new government laws passed since all them folks were duly elected.
So, Let's here three cheers for Obama and all the other duly elected offocials?
Don't you be negative and evil, now.
Let's hear an
"AMEN" for all them duly elected officials.
Eac and everyone of them are looking out for your best interest, right?
Some people can't see the forest for the trees. Ross can't see the trees for the forest.
Quote from: flintauqua on April 01, 2012, 01:36:20 PM
If we all presume that the minute a person is elected or appointed to a governmental office or position they immediately change from the person we entrusted with that position into a person that can't be trusted to tell you the time of day, then who in their right mind is going to serve in public office.
Perhaps, that is what you presume and I can not speak for everyone else, but I sure don't?
You see actions often speak louder than words, but the words just lend support?
I am not looking at forest or trees, but perhaps looking at greed to grab money from the County Coffers.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Can someone please point out to me in the meeting notice provided where it says the purpose is to discuss Elk Konnected, LLC starting a for-profit center? I read it as being a meeting to discuss the issue of daycare in general.
Hey Ross, while you're on here, could you please answer Dan's question?
No need to focus on Ross. I wouldn't expect an answer from him to be anything other than "it most definitely must be for the sole purpose of Elk Konnected trying to beggar thy neighbor and misuse taxpayer money to start an endeavor that they are certain to fail at." I was hoping to hear from someone with a more unbiased opinion and interpretation.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 03:04:20 PM
No need to focus on Ross. I wouldn't expect an answer from him to be anything other than "it most definitely must be for the sole purpose of Elk Konnected trying to beggar thy neighbor and misuse taxpayer money to start an endeavor that they are certain to fail at." I was hoping to hear from someone with a more unbiased opinion and interpretation.
Oh, you mean they didn't fail at running the wellness center, I'm sorry, I stand corrected.
And it wasn't taxpayers money, again I stand corrected.
But no, I think I did say about a week ago that it must be time for one of those so called Elk Konnected, LLC community conversations. So they could keep up with of Public Squares Community, LLC requirements. Personally, I think that daycare is the subject as an excuse for such a meeting, not really to accomplish anything.
Only time will tell, right?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Since this thread long ago became a potpourri of many sub-topics, jump back with me to the issue of the upcoming meeting regarding daycare. There are many types of daycare: daycare in a registered home, daycare in a licensed home, daycare by a non-profit organization such as a church, daycare in a for-profit center. Can someone please point out to me in the meeting notice provided where it says the purpose is to discuss Elk Konnected, LLC starting a for-profit center? I read it as being a meeting to discuss the issue of daycare in general.
So, what is it daycare in a registered home, daycare in a licensed home, daycare by a non-profit organization such as a church, daycare in a for-profit center?
Or is this an attempt to confuse or mis-direct?
Quote from: flintauqua on April 01, 2012, 02:41:09 PM
Hey Ross, while you're on here, could you please answer Dan's question?
Here is the question I ass/u/me you are refering to:
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Can someone please point out to me in the meeting notice provided where it says the purpose is to discuss Elk Konnected, LLC starting a for-profit center?
I just don't recall anyone saying any such thing.
But since you brought it up, are they?
Is that the purpose of the meeting?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 01:39:37 PM
Can someone please point out to me in the meeting notice provided where it says the purpose is to discuss Elk Konnected, LLC starting a for-profit center? I read it as being a meeting to discuss the issue of daycare in general.
Do you have reason to believe that any daycare started here would be organized as a 501(3)(c) or some other 501 non-profit. Or do you suspect that the for profit, private company, Elk Konnected LLC is holding a 'public' meeting to encourage such a new, non-profit business.
I don't have a clue as to what Elk Konnected's purpose or motive is in hosting this meeting, and apparently neither does anyone else who has responded on this thread regarding it. I was just curious after reading post #3635 on March 26 where Ross asked whether Elk Konnected would be using windfarm money to build a YMCA on Highways 160 & 99, complete with a daycare center equipt for twins. After the actual message announcing the meeting was posted, I didn't see any mention of such a facility. Just a meeting to discuss daycare needs in the community.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
I don't have a clue as to what Elk Konnected's purpose or motive is in hosting this meeting, and apparently neither does anyone else who has responded on this thread regarding it. I was just curious after reading post #3635 on March 26 where Ross asked whether Elk Konnected would be using windfarm money to build a YMCA on Highways 160 & 99, complete with a daycare center equipt for twins. After the actual message announcing the meeting was posted, I didn't see any mention of such a facility. Just a meeting to discuss daycare needs in the community.
Can't say for sure, but possibly the idea comes from extrapolation. Look at the opening post on this thread. Given 1) the 'Big Ideas' that EK developed during the windfarm money discussion last year, 2) the community wide daycare topic this year, and 3) the fact that the same brain trust is at the core of both konversations & at the core of county government, maybe that's the nexus of Ross' ideas.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
I don't have a clue as to what Elk Konnected's purpose or motive is in hosting this meeting, and apparently neither does anyone else who has responded on this thread regarding it. I was just curious after reading post #3635 on March 26 where Ross asked whether Elk Konnected would be using windfarm money to build a YMCA on Highways 160 & 99, complete with a daycare center equipt for twins. After the actual message announcing the meeting was posted, I didn't see any mention of such a facility. Just a meeting to discuss daycare needs in the community.
For not having a clue you seem to have a lot to say about the subject?
But me, I don't have a clue either, that's why I ask?
But Yes, hasn't that been Elk Konnected, LLC's Modus operandi er mode of operation?
My horde of visionaries seem to think so.
Last year in March didn't Elk Konnected, LLC have a big supposedly Kommunity Konversation about $1,000,000 with the circle of chairs, with kindergarten colored stars and name tags. Didn't they say who a person could or could not sit with? Like don't sit with your wife or husband, don't sit with your friend, etc? Didn't they basically say don't talk about anything but what we tell you to talk about?
Isn't that where the list on page one of this thread came from? Talk of a YMCA, indoor swimming pool, centralized government, talk of daycare.
Aww! Let me quote it from page one of this thread, please.
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Save the 1 st million for the future as a cushion - l(Idea's)
Bank 1st million - 2 (Big Idea's)
1 st million in bank - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Matching Funds -1 (Idea's)
There you have it, the only sensible idea on the whole list.
But up pops the possibility of several hundred thousand dollars and here comes the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC with another Kommunity Konversation but this time it is about daycare, right?
Isn't that on the bucket list on page one of this thread?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
I was just curious after reading post #3635 on March 26 where Ross asked whether Elk Konnected would be using windfarm money to build a YMCA on Highways 160 & 99, complete with a daycare center equipt for twins.
You finally got that right. I asked a question. But I never got an answer out of you did I?
What's there to discuss? Is there daycare or isn't there daycare in Elk County? How many daycare do you need in Elk County? Does daycare need to be subsidized by taxpayers?
Doesn't that leave it open to a possibility? The use of wind farm taxpayers dollars?
Possibly a
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program?
And to quote:
Quote from: Catwoman on March 28, 2012, 04:27:59 AM
Elk County has some great daycare providers already...That's why a standard, stand-alone daycare hasn't been started up to now in Elk County.
So wouldn't any action by Elk Konnected, LLC to facilitate by having a Community Conversation a standard, stand-alone daycare be detrimental to the economy of Elk County by putting the great daycare providers all ready in business --- out of business?
Wouldn't you be depriving them of their family income, something everyone needs during these economically stressed times?
Good Job?
Ross, you're making too much American sense and the liberals are not likeing it.
If I disagreed with what you've been saying, I'd tell you. But I do agree so stay right in there.
I Brought this over from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13278.80.html
to share with all of you following this thread in case you are not following that thread.
I'll proudly call this post:
FREELOADER
My Personal Opinion.
Quote from: Vitriol on April 03, 2012, 02:04:41 AM
Why are you against it if it is such paltry sums? How does it cost you anything?
Quote from: Ross on March 07, 2012, 08:41:54 PM
So why do you want Beggar-Thy-Neighbor for such paltry sums?
Quote from: Ross on April 03, 2012, 05:02:28 AM
Are you kidding?
Freeloaders always cost society?
I suppose you think everyone should be on welfare?
Have you taken a look at the state of our country's financial situation lately?
The country's financial situation is in dire straights, fact!
Why? "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, fact.
That's why!
Wealthy even Super Rich "FREELOADERS" that's why?
Commonly called Welfare for the Rich!If it is such a paltry sum
Why do you want to be such a cheap
FREELOADER ?
I have seen enough freeloaders in my life time to know they never contribute.
They are strictly takers.
Does Elk County really need the following:
"FREELOADERS"
"Beggar-Thy-neighbor" Programs.
Welfare For The Wealthy.
If so, let's have a public list of NAMES of Recipeints.
So talk about the truth of these programs that refer to "FREELOADERS" "Beggar-Thy-neighbor" and Welfare For The Wealthy seems to have stopped any open and honest dialog with our Elk Konnected County Commissioners and Elk Konnected Followers. I wonder why?
Is honesty that difficult to deal with?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 01, 2012, 08:48:46 AM
Having Trouble Finding Daycare?
Please come to this community conversation to discuss this issue within our community.
Wednesday, April 11, 2012
6:30 pm
The Hornet's Nest (old Moline Gym)
Free Childcare Provided (night of conversation)
Elk Konnected
[/size]
What is there really to discuss about daycare in Elk County?
Except perhaps putting daycare that is already in place out of business?
How, would that work?
Perhaps, with "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money?
Just how would that be good Economic Development?
We have been told we have sufficient daycare in Elk County, so why would Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company with visionaries want to hold Kommunity Konversation, even if they don't have an acyual community. If they do have an actual community I'd like to know the name of the town and the population and where it is located? Or is that just words to sucker people iin?
Quote from: Catwoman on March 28, 2012, 04:27:59 AM
Elk County has some great daycare providers already...That's why a standard, stand-alone daycare hasn't been started up to now in Elk County.
But, as you can clearly see Mr. Durbin seems to agree with me in the following quote, even to the point of showing my bias to the losing effects of Elk Konnected, LLC. I certain he is refering to the failure of Elk Konnected, LLC to run their wellness center, right Mr. Durbin?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 01, 2012, 03:04:20 PM
No need to focus on Ross. I wouldn't expect an answer from him to be anything other than "it most definitely must be for the sole purpose of Elk Konnected trying to beggar thy neighbor and misuse taxpayer money to start an endeavor that they are certain to fail at." I was hoping to hear from someone with a more unbiased opinion and interpretation.
But actually, I thinks he wants to hear from someone that might be able to show some sort of accomplishment of Elk Konnected, LLC. So would I? But I would like to hear about something beyond taxpayer dollars buying lollipops. So lets hear it, someone, anyone?
In the mean time back to the the daycare issue dreamed up by Elk Konnected, LLC! Isn't it really a non-issue? Isn't the so called Kommunity Konversation which is really an Elk Konnected, LLC private business meeting open to the public really, being stagged to meet the requirements set forth by Public Squares Communities, LLC? Isn't that the real purpose to maintain your membership in the little canoe club? Oh, and doesn't Public Squares Communities, LLC still require you to pay thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to maintain that membership?
But back to daycare, and I quote again:
Quote from: Catwoman on March 28, 2012, 04:27:59 AM
Elk County has some great daycare providers already...That's why a standard, stand-alone daycare hasn't been started up to now in Elk County.
So, what is the real purpose of the so called Kommunity Konversation? Some honest answers please?
Where is that honest open dialog with our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Oh, I know! Would that be considered vile to post open and honest dialog?
Wouldn't EK sponsoring a several day area kid's soccer training event be a good thing? You were wanting to hear about the good things they do.
Would you look at that?
Todays newspaper, big headine.
Elk Konnected to hold community conversation next Wednaesday in Moline
It says format to be small round-table discussions.
Now I gotta stop right there and ask where they are getting all those round-tables?
Isn't the truth "circle of chairs"?
I expect it will be like all previous so call community conversations that are really the privatelt owned company Elk Konnected, LLC's meetings that jus happen to be open to the public that want to play musical chairs, right?
I mean you walk in the door and sign their list and get a name tag with a kindergartners colored star on it and walk in to a bunch of circles of chairs, right?
And then the fun begins, you get told you can not sit with your spouse or your friend or your neighbor, or with someone with the same colored kindergarten star, so if you sitting with anyone fitting this discription please move to another circle, right?
And then you are told to keep it positive and what to discuss, right?
This is such a dire situation of daycare that it takes all this and also stating in the paper that it effects parents, grandparents, educators, elected officials, business owners, etc. What is with that?
Who is Elk Konnected to say who it effects?
Why not mention fathers, aunts and uncles and cousins as well? Is there no fathers out there that this might effect?
Why is a privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC decisions of such importance to elected officials and educators?
Does everyoe have to turn out because Elk Konnected, LLC says it is a community conversation when in actually it is a company meeting open to the public, where they may be manipulated in where they si, who they sit with and told how to think?
Shoot, even our elected officials don't put what they think is of a serious nature on the front page of the newspaper and hold real community conversations and urge everyone to attend, why?
So why does a privately owned company do such a thing?
Think about that for a minute.
Elk konnected, LLC aren't you required by Public Squares Communities, LLC to hold these community conversations?
Aren't you also required yearly to pay thousands of taxpayers dollars to Public Squares Communities, LLC also?
Aren't those the requirements of maintaining your membership in that little company and maintain your accreditation within the little club, or what ever you call it?
If you miss holding this meeting or go for a year without one, won't Public Squares Communities disbar you or something like that?
Will the sheriff deputies be there in uniform with Sheriff's vehicles and the drug dog?
If so, are you going to reimburse the County for their presence?
Do you think it is right for you to remove the use of the County Sheriff Deputies from their regular duties and rounds without reimbursing the county for the inconvience to the rest of the taxpaying citizens of Elk County?
So what is the real reason for the meeting and saying that elected officials are effected?
Are you saying the County Commissioners need to be there?
If so is that for the purpose of more "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money in the form of County Taxpayers dollars?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC trying to find out who might use their Daycare irf they chose to start one?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC also looking for suggestions where to start a daycare?
I mean exactly what else is there to discuss?
Why don't you take up BUSINESS and Commerce with the local [/b]Chamber of Commerce?
Isn't that what the Chamber of Commerce is all about, BUSINESS?
Aren't those the experts in Business and isn't daycare a business?
How about some real answers?
Or are you going to do the same old thing, just go back and look at page one of this thread, all a waste of peoples time, in my opinion?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 04, 2012, 06:57:59 PM
Wouldn't EK sponsoring a several day area kid's soccer training event be a good thing? You were wanting to hear about the good things they do.
It would be good if EK is sponsoring it without any tax dollars. Sponsoring means use of your own money. IF they are using tax dollars they aren't using their own money
Well to be fair now ross, this is something that falls into their realm. Day care is not government business nor should it ever be. The only thing i can think of that would slide them out of their realm and into the taxpayers realm is if they attempt to get funding from taxes or windfarm money or community assets (also known as taxdollars).
IF they venture into that realm then yeah your right. But heres a novel idea, what IF they actually came up with funds from donations by people that attend. OR go out and solicit it from folks in the community, or imagine this, divide the costs between those that would use the facility and get a commitment from them. Now imagine people being accountable for their responsibilities and funding their own needs.
Would you look at that?
Todays newspaper, big headine.
Elk Konnected to hold community conversation next Wednaesday in Moline
It says format to be small round-table discussions.
Now I gotta stop right there and ask where they are getting all those round-tables?
Isn't the truth "circle of chairs"?
I expect it will be like all previous so call community conversations that are really the privatelt owned company Elk Konnected, LLC's meetings that jus happen to be open to the public that want to play musical chairs, right?
I mean you walk in the door and sign their list and get a name tag with a kindergartners colored star on it and walk in to a bunch of circles of chairs, right?
And then the fun begins, you get told you can not sit with your spouse or your friend or your neighbor, or with someone with the same colored kindergarten star, so if you sitting with anyone fitting this discription please move to another circle, right?
And then you are told to keep it positive and what to discuss, right?
This is such a dire situation of daycare that it takes all this and also stating in the paper that it effects parents, grandparents, educators, elected officials, business owners, etc. What is with that?
Who is Elk Konnected to say who it effects?
Why not mention fathers, aunts and uncles and cousins as well? Is there no fathers out there that this might effect?
Why is a privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC decisions of such importance to elected officials and educators?
Does everyoe have to turn out because Elk Konnected, LLC says it is a community conversation when in actually it is a company meeting open to the public, where they may be manipulated in where they si, who they sit with and told how to think?
Shoot, even our elected officials don't put what they think is of a serious nature on the front page of the newspaper and hold real community conversations and urge everyone to attend, why?
So why does a privately owned company do such a thing?
Think about that for a minute.
Elk konnected, LLC aren't you required by Public Squares Communities, LLC to hold these community conversations?
Aren't you also required yearly to pay thousands of taxpayers dollars to Public Squares Communities, LLC also?
Aren't those the requirements of maintaining your membership in that little company and maintain your accreditation within the little club, or what ever you call it?
If you miss holding this meeting or go for a year without one, won't Public Squares Communities disbar you or something like that?
Will the sheriff deputies be there in uniform with Sheriff's vehicles and the drug dog?
If so, are you going to reimburse the County for their presence?
Do you think it is right for you to remove the use of the County Sheriff Deputies from their regular duties and rounds without reimbursing the county for the inconvience to the rest of the taxpaying citizens of Elk County?
So what is the real reason for the meeting and saying that elected officials are effected?
Are you saying the County Commissioners need to be there?
If so is that for the purpose of more "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money in the form of County Taxpayers dollars?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC trying to find out who might use their Daycare irf they chose to start one?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC also looking for suggestions where to start a daycare?
I mean exactly what else is there to discuss?
Why don't you take up BUSINESS and Commerce with the local [/b]Chamber of Commerce?
Isn't that what the Chamber of Commerce is all about, BUSINESS?
Aren't those the experts in Business and isn't daycare a business?
How about some real answers?
Or are you going to do the same old thing, just go back and look at page one of this thread, all a waste of peoples time, in my opinion?
Quote from: srkruzich on April 04, 2012, 07:28:04 PM
But heres a novel idea, what IF they actually came up with funds from donations by people that attend. OR go out and solicit it from folks in the community, or imagine this, divide the costs between those that would use the facility and get a commitment from them. Now imagine people being accountable for their responsibilities and funding their own needs.
You are so right.
That would really be something.
Do you really need a community Conversation to address daycare, or do they need a community meeting to assert control?
Think about that, just give it a little thought.
Think about their list starting on page one of this thread and I quote only one of their idea's from the list:
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Was that idea really to save money or to control the county and the various communities?
Just give it a little thought, please.
But more importantly watch this short 15 minute video, I never realized a lot of this until moments ago, when I watched the video. It's a real eye opener.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJY2SK_4tE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
People want to change everyones lifestyles for what purpose?
Control? Simple?
Do you need a community conversation by a couple of county commissioners disguised as Elk Konnected, LLC or Elk Konnected,LLC disguised as a couple of County Commissioners? Which ever way it is?
Watch for a lot more changes from our local government other then the
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, watch for more regulation and control in the form of zoning laws. etc.
Isn't it time to wake up?
Got a couple more buzzwords for you to be on the lookout for. Sustainable development. Green anything is the new red. If its green its true agenda is redistribution of wealth, Remember the USSR you couldn't own property without govt permission. Same stuff different decade. Sustainable development is tied in with the un's Agenda 21 of which it is their goal to work on the local levels, local governments to ensure housing for all, healthcare for all, money for all through redistribution of wealth.
Quote from: Ross on April 05, 2012, 07:35:21 AM
Do you really need a community Conversation to address daycare, or do they need a community meeting to assert control?
Think about that, just give it a little thought.
Think about their list starting on page one of this thread and I quote only one of their idea's from the list:
Was that idea really to save money or to control the county and the various communities?
Just give it a little thought, please.
But more importantly watch this short 15 minute video, I never realized a lot of this until moments ago, when I watched the video. It's a real eye opener.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esJY2SK_4tE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
People want to change everyones lifestyles for what purpose?
Control? Simple?
Do you need a community conversation by a couple of county commissioners disguised as Elk Konnected, LLC or Elk Konnected,LLC disguised as a couple of County Commissioners? Which ever way it is?
Watch for a lot more changes from our local government other then the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, watch for more regulation and control in the form of zoning laws. etc.
Isn't it time to wake up?
You are really a negative twisted thinking individual. You seem to be against everything. The people oif Elk County have always been big on help thy neighbor you are trying to change that to Beggar thy neighbor. I can tell you that you and Patriot do not know the people of Elk County at all.
Quote from: srkruzich on April 05, 2012, 07:48:09 AM
Got a couple more buzzwords for you to be on the lookout for. Sustainable development. Green anything is the new red. If its green its true agenda is redistribution of wealth, Remember the USSR you couldn't own property without govt permission. Same stuff different decade. Sustainable development is tied in with the un's Agenda 21 of which it is their goal to work on the local levels, local governments to ensure housing for all, healthcare for all, money for all through redistribution of wealth.
Funny you should bring that up........
We now have the UN/Obama socialist social engineers working in Sedgwick County and SE Kansas to really modify the way people live. I have notice the leftist, Soros supported, organization
Americans for Prosperity is deeply involved in this.
Perhaps our local Democrat commissioner/EK community organizer, Ms. E. Hendricks, or our Democrat turned Republican/EK cheerleader, Mr. KR Liebau, will enlighten us as to how all this will play out in SE Kansas & how it may end up affecting Elk County.
'Sustainable planning' not so sustainable
By Randal O'Toole, Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute. A version of this appeared in the Wichita Eagle.
The vast majority of Americans, surveys say, aspire to live in a single-family home with a yard. The vast majority of American travel — around 85 percent — is by automobile. Yet the Obama administration thinks more Americans should live in apartments and travel on foot, bicycle, or mass transit.
To promote this idea, the administration wants to give the south central Regional Economic Area Partnership (REAP) the opportunity to apply for a $1.5 million grant to participate in "sustainable communities." Also sometimes called "smart growth," the ideas promoted by these programs are anything but sustainable or smart. (As members of REAP, the governing bodies for both Wichita and Sedgwick County endorsed this grant.)
The urban plans that come out of these kinds of programs typically call for:
Redesigning streets to increase traffic congestion in order to discourage people from driving;
Increasing subsidies to transit, bike paths, and other "alternative" forms of travel even though these alternatives are used by few people;
Denying owners of land on the urban fringes the right to develop their property in order to make single-family housing more expensive;
Subsidizing high-density, developments that combine housing with retail shops in the hope that people will walk to shopping rather than drive;
Rezoning neighborhoods of single-family homes for apartments with zoning so strict that, if someone's house burns down, they will have to replace it with an apartment.
Story: http://wichitaliberty.org/regulation/sustainable-planning-not-so-sustainable/ (http://wichitaliberty.org/regulation/sustainable-planning-not-so-sustainable/)
For more info (including involvement of the Flint Hills Regional Council): http://sedgwickcounty.org/commissioners/Ranzau Readings/Sustainable Planning Grants and UN Agenda 21.pdf (http://sedgwickcounty.org/commissioners/Ranzau%20Readings/Sustainable%20Planning%20Grants%20and%20UN%20Agenda%2021.pdf)
How much of this 'free money' does Elk Konnected have their eyes on. I wonder. And they call Elk County conservative.... hmmmm.
Quote from: ELK@KC on April 05, 2012, 07:56:06 AM
You are really a negative twisted thinking individual. You seem to be against everything. The people oif Elk County have always been big on help thy neighbor you are trying to change that to Beggar thy neighbor. I can tell you that you and Patriot do not know the people of Elk County at all.
I happen to like and respect the majority of the people of Elk County.
And I was not refering to the people of Elk County, I was refering to Elk Konnected, LLC which is not a people but a privately owned company/organization of a very few people.
Please refrain from twisting what is said.
You can't seem to recognize manipulation and control of people. And perhaps that is because you are one of the controling on the local front.
And I suppose you don't see the fact that the suggestion by Elk Konnected, LLC of a centrally located government and doing away with city councils is very controlling.
Helpiing they neighbor is what I do, and I don't ask for money to do it.
What Elk Konnected. LLC does is "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" by holding their hand out for money from the County Tax coffers and even saying that some of the money is something different?
Elk Konnected, LLC is not a neighbor, it is a privately owned business that has not been able to run a business, isn't that right?
They speak of having a community but they fail to produce one. I live near a real community called Moline, do you know that community?
It appears they only want to hold meetings as a comtrolling factor, by saying politely don't wit with your spouse, don't sit with you friend, don't sit with your neighbor no matter what contrived excuse they use, that definitely is not neighborly, but it sure is controlling. And by saying keep everything positive is just another controlling activity. In other words only speak the way we tell you to speak.
It is time to wake up, that's my opinion.
And sir, I am not a negative twisted thinking individual, I am a common sense thinking individual and the key word is individual. Meaning I think for myself and don't allow a privately owned company or a very small group of people dictate to me on how to think or what to think.
And no matter how hard you Elk Konnected followers try to degrade me or how many names you call me, I will remain and individual and able to think for myself.
Quote from: ELK@KC on April 05, 2012, 07:56:06 AM
You seem to be against everything.
No I'm not against everything, but I am for getting corporations and privately owned business's with their own agenda's out of government. I am for ending the
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
What are you for?
Thank you for responding.
Quote from: ELK@KC on April 05, 2012, 07:56:06 AM
You are really a negative twisted thinking individual. You seem to be against everything. The people oif Elk County have always been big on help thy neighbor you are trying to change that to Beggar thy neighbor. I can tell you that you and Patriot do not know the people of Elk County at all.
Or perhaps we are more attuned to socialist trends in America and how those manifest at the local level. Read Post # 3725 above. Would amoral socialists deceive & mislead you? Count on it. And so would misguided 'moderate conservatives'.
So everyone there is too dumb to see whats "really" going on except you few? Oh my!
ELK@KC do you believe in the individual?
Do you believe in individualism even a littel bit?
Or is your belief in the controlling factor of a group or crowd or mob, which takes control?
It sounds to me as if that is what counts for you, is that right?
Shun the individual,
put down the individual,
call the individual names,
but support the mob, the group, the privately owned organization/company/organization, right?
So you don't approve of people thinking for themselves do you?
Please let me know.
And Diane, I have never asked anyone to believe a thing I post on here.
In fact I'd rather they did not believe anything I post.
I suggest they think for themselves, I even provide links, but they are capable of doing their own research.
Just think for themselves and not let company's think for them.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2012, 10:01:04 AM
So everyone there is too dumb to see whats "really" going on except you few? Oh my!
No. There are a few in Delaware that are to dumb to see as well. Actually many average citizens here, when presented with the facts and numbers, do get it. There will always be a segment that will hold to failed ideologies. Not unlike those who continue to support Communism in spite of all the history. Which segment do you fall into?
Perhaps Warph best illustrated...
Quote from: Warph on April 03, 2012, 05:19:30 PM
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zdiGbp5wVY0/T3tVmjVqFwI/AAAAAAAAU0A/uFNa7AlSUzY/s400/9-4-09%2B3.jpg)
So, what is really behind a privately owned company holding a so called Community Conversation about baby sitting?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2012, 10:01:04 AM
So everyone there is too dumb to see whats "really" going on except you few? Oh my!
Absolutely not but if you watch who squawks the most and gets the most offended when you post about the communist connections, the reason is that the agenda is being exposed. They worked long and hard to slip it under peoples noses by using their trust. There are those of us who trust no one so its not going to happen that we will allow it to get past us. Sometimes they can if they hide it deep enough in some cause. For example, Communist russia fell in the 80's....the communist had no where to go then. So what did they do? They came to America and infiltrated the eco groups. So now days the new communist red is the the progressive green. IF your progressive your ideals are straight from the USSR.
Oh my gosh, Ross. WAKE UP, man. Can't you see that now they want to get CONTROL of all the children of Elk County, even the babies and the pre-schoolers? They've already got the county government and the school system. This is just the next step in gaining TOTAL CONTROL. All you INDIVIDUAL-THINKING folks had better be taking some drastic action before it's too late. Are you forgetting about Hitler's Youth Corp?
Quote from: srkruzich on April 05, 2012, 12:23:34 PM
IF your progressive your ideals are straight from the USSR.
I wonder how many realize that the communist doctrine espoused by Lenin & Marx recognized that to convert a capatalist society to communism required a process that first moved capitalism to socialism.
From Webster:
so·cial·ism
noun \ˈsō-shə-ˌli-zəm\
Definition of SOCIALISM
1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done com·mu·nism
noun \ˈkäm-yə-ˌni-zəm, -yü-\
Definition of COMMUNISM
1: a theory advocating elimination of private property
b : a system in which goods are owned in common and are available to all as needed How better to advance the cause of the 'collectivists' than to have guided (facilitated) Kommunity Konversations and subscription to central planning concepts by outside organizers & ongoing public/private partnerships (entanglements)?
Since this country has prospered so greatly under economic capitalism, fed by individual liberty & unrestricted individualism, why would any free & independent citizen want to embrace socialism or communism, which in retrospect, never becomes the 'communist utopia', but always devolves into totalitarianism.
I must wonder, then, are our local community 'leaders' participating in these serious games of anti-American activity by design or are they beguiled and just involuntarily ignorant of the realities. I guess the same could be asked of some of the other supporters of Elk Konnected, Public Squares & Beggar thy neighbor programs. Mock, if you must, followers... many sheep have been led quietly to slaughter seeing nothing but a cup of grain under their noses. As have many humans in decades past.
Charity at the hands of government, by force of law or under duress is not charity at all... it's theft.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 05, 2012, 01:18:20 PM
Oh my gosh, Ross. WAKE UP, man. Can't you see that now they want to get CONTROL of all the children of Elk County, even the babies and the pre-schoolers? They've already got the county government and the school system. This is just the next step in gaining TOTAL CONTROL. All you INDIVIDUAL-THINKING folks had better be taking some drastic action before it's too late. Are you forgetting about Hitler's Youth Corp?
Your ridicule demonstrates clearly the liberal professions of tolerance and diversity. Yet your ranting references could be seen as prophetic endorsements of things unseen. What do you know or what are you telegraphing.
Patriot,
You seem intrigued with what I may--or may not--know. How flattering, but sorry, you're one individual with whom I no longer wish to share my thoughts and opinions. There's that individual thinking coming out again. BTW, I notice you quite frequently jump in and respond to posts directed at Ross before he has a chance to do likewise. What's up with that? Not that I much really care, just asking.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 05, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
You seem intrigued with what I may--or may not--know.
Not really, though I'm sure the original invitations on this thread to those who
are 'in the know' to come forward and have a public dialogue still stand.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 05, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
How flattering...
Rest assured, any perception that my inquiries were intended to flatter are purely coincidental.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 05, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
Patriot,
You seem intrigued with what I may--or may not--know. How flattering, but sorry, you're one individual with whom I no longer wish to share my thoughts and opinions. There's that individual thinking coming out again. BTW, I notice you quite frequently jump in and respond to posts directed at Ross before he has a chance to do likewise. What's up with that? Not that I much really care, just asking.
Do you feel intimidated by Patriot?
Does his education styme you?
Mr. Durbin are you afraid to speak your individual mind?
Are you waiting for a Consensus from the group?
I never really got an answer about your thoughts on individuality?
Hell, I'm just a dumbass, redneck hick and I think you may be intimidated by that and individualism and any concept other than the group control.
Ross,
You want answers---here you go.
Do you feel intimidated by Patriot? NO
Does his education styme you? NO
Mr. Durbin are you afraid to speak your individual mind? NO
Are you waiting for a Consensus from the group? WHAT GROUP ARE YOU REFERRING TO? I only belong to 4 groups over there:
The Moline High School Alumni Assn.; The Elk County Rodeo Assn., The Elk County Historical Society, and The Elk County Forum.
I never really got an answer about your thoughts on individuality? BECAUSE YOU NEVER ASKED ME. You asked that of ELK@KC.
Don't bother asking me now, it's too late.
Hell, I'm just a dumbass, redneck hick and I think you may be intimidated by that and individualism and any concept other than the group control. WHILE YOUR SELF-ASSESSMENT MAY BE CORRECT, I'M NOT THE LEAST BIT INTIMIDATED BY IT. As for Group Control, you seem to be the one that's really hung-up on that.
Uh, since we don't know who Patriot is ,how would we know his education level? It doesn't matter to me, really. I know he doesn't spell nearly as well as he thinks. ;) Some time ago he put put a challenge to someone to keep a check on his spelling. I've actually done it and have added two more to the list in the last couple of days. Does it matter ? Not really. Insecurity perhaps? (poke,poke)
Patriot after all this time you know exactly where I stand on things, so why bother to ask? You know how feisty an individual I can be and how I reach my political decisions. I'm not nearly as pro Gov't as you want to think. But it's more comfortable to you to label me as something traditionally ugly (socialist, commie) and put me into a category that feels safe for you. You'll turn whatever I say into whatever suits you anyway. But that doesn't put you in control. You won't somehow change or weaken my position by the labels and name calling and insults.
As far as little Delaware goes, we have some of everything, including families whose people go back to prerevolutionary times. Their ancestral memories are amazing. Then there are the downstate farmers who play dumb...like foxes!... Some on land that has been in the family for hundreds of years. I suspect I know a lot more about Kansas than you do about Delaware. We're the first star on the flag for a reason. :angel:
By the way, Delaware and the Feds don't own the farms or stores or water supplies etc. No hidden commies here. In Kansas perhaps? They tellin' ya how many kids you can have? Is the state taking over the stores and listing what and how much and at what price one can sell? Or buy? Does the state come in and buy all the crops at their own price? Can they refuse to sell to you?
Who taught you few not to trust anyone? That sounds like professional cult indoctrination to me. You guys even use the same vocabulary...sheeple, kool aid, lollipops. Where does that originate?
So, Mr. durbin are you saying you are not Konnected?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
Uh, since we don't know... ad infinitum.
If you say so.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
You guys even use the same vocabulary...sheeple, kool aid, lollipops. Where does that originate?
Actually, the vocabulary finds roots in several places. Vermont, Delaware, Northern California, Massachusetts, Leningrad & Santiago de León de Caracas.... oh, and Saturday Night Live. :)
Quote from: Patriot on April 05, 2012, 01:45:59 PM
Mock, if you must, followers... many sheep have been led quietly to slaughter seeing nothing but a cup of grain under their noses. As have many humans in decades past.
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This is what started the destruction of rome. The grain subsidy.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 05, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
Uh, since we don't know who Patriot is ,how would we know his education level?
Smart! high level of education. :) i know him.
QuoteIt doesn't matter to me, really. I know he doesn't spell nearly as well as he thinks. ;)
SO what? Einstein couldn't do simple tasks....yet his education level was far superior than yours or mine.
QuoteWho taught you few not to trust anyone?
Politicians for one, Wise men that raised me for another. Ronald Regan said trust but verify which means trust no one.
Einstein's education level was the same as my husband's. His general intelligence level was superior to most, but he had some learning disabilities that he overcame.
All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor; duty; mercy; hope ~ Sir Winston Churchill
Where is the honor in "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" via taxes?
"The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money." Margaret Thatcher
Where is the pride in accomplishing anything at the expense of others?
All, I see in that is shame?
I am ashamed to admit it but I have a sister who has lived all her life on welfare because it is easier than earning a minimum wage. This is one of those "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs too. It is equally shameful in my opinion.
I started working at 11 years old and have always earned every thing I have ever owned. No freebies.
Company's I have worked usually had a product or service that earned them money, no openly "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
Most worth while organizations know how to have fund raisers and earn their money?
Just my opinion.
Quote from Diane:
Uh, since we don't know who Patriot is ,how would we know his education level?
Uh, Diane. Patriot posted his name and life story about a year back.
Thanks.I must have missed it.It doesn't really matter though I get a kick out of playing growl with him regardless. ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 06, 2012, 07:30:16 AM
Thanks.I must have missed it.It doesn't really matter though I get a kick out of playing growl with him regardless. ;)
The real funny part is that some of us aren't 'playing'. Grrrrrrrrrowwwll.
Well now, that's a real shame...on you. :P
It was on June 19, 2011 that Patriot enlightened all of us forum readers with his "bio". However, he made it very clear that he was standing behind his legal right NOT to reveal any "personally identifying information", for example his name, and additionally warned anyone else there might be consequences if they did. If he ever backed down from that stance and truly did reveal his identity, then like Diane, I must have missed it.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 06, 2012, 08:40:05 AM
It was on June 19, 2011 that Patriot enlightened all of us forum readers with his "bio". However, he made it very clear that he was standing behind his legal right NOT to reveal any "personally identifying information", for example his name, and additionally warned anyone else there might be consequences if they did. If he ever backed down from that stance and truly did reveal his identity, then like Diane, I must have missed it.
Mr. Durbin, I'd just like to know what Patriots identity have to do with the few freeloading, "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor", welfare wanting people with bad ideas?
They won't identify themselves either?
Is that out of shame that they stay hidden?
All them 60 or so donors? And all them 75 visionaries or however many there are?
Why don't any of those people have names?
Is it because of shame?
Is it shame because they couldn't run their own business.
Is it perhaps because they don't exist? Why don't they volunteer and while volunteering,
volunteer to come out in the open?
Are you one that is ashamed to admit being Konnected and wanting hand outs?
Have you heard about the "Think Tank" that is filing bankruptcy?
That's a lot of smart people really thinking, huh?
Is it ADD folks? Some of you seem totally unable to stay focused on issues of broader public concern. Alynski training... isolate, personalize & demonize? How petty. But... whatever floats your boat.
How about it Mr. ddurbin... care to step off the personal gossip soapbox and comment on the following issues of a more public nature?
How's that new 600 acre RV Park & fish hatchery down near Moline progressing? How far is that from the Artesian well & limestone arch bridge? Where will the trails run, or will there be bus trips into the 200 MW wind farm? What will the admission fees be, if any?
And how's that tax rebate program for new construction coming along.?
Speaking of leaks in the courthouse roof, have those been fixed? How much did the county borrow for that roof & have you seen the collateral in that loan agreement? WOW! Our public courthouse is pledged to the bank? No, it's OWNED by the bank. Was there a public notice & hearing about that? No, KR, the bank doesn't just own the roof, they own the whole enchilada. Our commission basically sold it for the value of a loan. Now we, the taxpayers are renting it back... or so the contract says.
And that new boiler... it's stll not installed, is it?
What's this about county employees thinking the wind farm money should fund a new ambulance/rural fire barn in Howard? That was addresses a year or two back and was a $3.1 million project wasn't it? Can you really afford that citizens?
Why did we cut $60,000 from the road budget for 2012. And how is it that USD 282 enlarged their cap improvement budget to over $900,000 for the same year (and raised their mil levy)?
What was that about our appraiser & Ms Hendricks wanting to push the state to modify the land valuation formula to allow grassland values (& thereby taxes) to go up on rangeland?
The Sheriff's department wants a new truck and another deputy? What will that cost?
That ambulance we spent over $40,000 to refurbish 'like new' last fall.... why was it in the shop last week..... again?
I hear there are new rumblings about what to do with the old Howard bank building. You remember... that building the Devlin's own at Washington & Wabash.
I hear the windfarm money for 2011 is in. Over 90 days late. Did the negotiators make sure there was a late payment penalty in the PILOT Agreement? No. How about that Commissioner Hendricks? Weren't you hip deep in those negotiations? I sure hope the lease payments to landowners are coming in on time.
Have you heard who's planning to run for the open county commissioner seats this fall?
What bullspit is that dame from Dellwasaware going to inject here about these local Elk County issues? Maybe we should pay her a consulting fee out of public funds. Might be worth it as Al comes with the package... and she said elsewhere he's as educated as Einstein. We could sure use that kind of help, no?
Ha!... and there's another spelling error, but who's counting. ;) You might be surprised what Al could do for ya, but I don't think you have much to worry about, and yes, he does have as much education as Einstein had. Not that it's a big deal. After one retires it's just wallpaper, and Einstein finally died anyway. :)
I just think it's so funny when some fawn all over what the professional bloggers have to say on the one hand, and criticize education with the other. Those bloggers always list all their education and degrees, to add legitimacy to what they write. I guess they think folks will be impressed. Now ya wanna see something impressive, I'll show ya our wall of awards! 8)
Advice from me? Pro Bono.
Bullspit, never. Mares sweat sure, but bullspit is too grassy for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Well I'm an unedumacted hick but edumacted to know when someone is a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" out to take advantage of even the poorest taxpayer. It is simply welfare for the wealthy.
Even having been raised in a very poor house hold of ten kids and a grandmother stuffed in an 800 sqft home and my father was disabled and my mother making minimum, I was taught the ethics of earning my own money. No welfare in our home at that time, just hard work and happy times. Most of us learned welfare was shameful. "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" in any form is just another form of welfare. in my opinion? And I do believe, anyone who has any morals feels the same way.
As I have said many organizations work for their money by having fund raisers from the girl scouts to some of the big ones.
The VFW even runs business to raise their funds. Some even have membershp and charge dues. Others simply stand out on the street begging politely. They generally don't beg for taxpayers money.
Elk Konnected, LLC the privately owned company doesn't appear to be able to run a business, but they seem to want to run our county business. If they want to open a daycare or babysitting service it would appear to me with all the funds they have, that were listed in this thread by the Kounty Kommissioner who is their founding member, they should be able to do it and there by putting someone else out of business. But do it with out County money or other "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
I suppose going to their meeting to provide them with a list of names that they can turn over to Public Squares Community, LLC so as to maintain their membership with them won't hurt anything. I bet they do turn their list names that you sign when you enter the so called Community Conversation for proof they had people in atttendence. So why do they hid their list of supposed donors and visionaries from us? After all Public Squares Community, LLC is way over west in Leoti, Kansas and we are right here living in Elk County so why hide from us?
Just my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 06, 2012, 01:38:06 PM
Ha!... and there's another spelling error, but who's counting. ;) You might be surprised what Al could do for ya, but I don't think you have much to worry about, and yes, he does have as much education as Einstein had. Not that it's a big deal. After one retires it's just wallpaper, and Einstein finally died anyway. :)
I just think it's so funny when some fawn all over what the professional bloggers have to say on the one hand, and criticize education with the other. Those bloggers always list all their education and degrees, to add legitimacy to what they write. I guess they think folks will be impressed. Now ya wanna see something impressive, I'll show ya our wall of awards! 8)
Advice from me? Pro Bono.
Bullspit, never. Mares sweat sure, but bullspit is too grassy for me. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I'll tell ya what there Diane, i have two PHD's hanging in my shop out there that gave me more education than any institution of higher learning!
A chicken on a full scale conspiracy:
http://www.terrisfp1.com/holidays/chick.html
HA! I'll be making Golden Rod eggs tomorrow and can use nice fresh ones like that. Unfortunately a few on here are so grumpy, if they were hens they'd lay hard boiled eggs! Black ones! Happy Easter Ross! :-*
This thread to me is not personal only political. I have no hard feelings personally towards anyone.
I thought it would be nice to drop the hard boiled stuff for a day and have a little Easter Fun.
We can thank the Lord that we can have both.
I heard it through the grapevine:
The story is that the big Elk Konnected, LLC supposed Kommunity Konversation with the Circle of Chairs and Kindergarten Stars is about a young lady from here, that has a daycare in Minneola, Kansas wants to open a daycare here in Elk County.
That is just information through the grapevine.
But if it is true, why the big secret?
Why half truths?
Why lying by omission?
Will they be opening a commercial daycare?
Will they be wanting money from the County Coffers?
Will they be after the windfarm money, if it ever comes in?
Will the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC be pushing a Beggar-Thy-Neighbor program?
Will Elk Konnected County Commissioners be pushing a Beggar-Thy-Neighbor program?
I feel at least one County Commissioner won't.
If they think money grows on tree's why don't they use their own money?
Would it be because the risk's aren't worth their money?
I suppose someone needs to attnend the meeting to know the truth and what is proposed by a few people?
Unless some of the followers know the truth and would politely enlighten us.
If anyone has information but is concerned about posting it, drop me a private message and I will consider posting it.
I will not tell who sent me the private message, and that's a promise.
However, if anyone sends me a private message that is ugly towards me or this thread, I again promise to post the whole message.
I do not make promises very often, and therefore, I do not make them lightly.
Just my opinion and questions. Ignore it all if you wish to.
There must be some truth to my previous post because no followers are objecting to it.
Pretty amazing and I didn't use no visionaries or wizards.
I just read a story about Roswell, Ga.
And it made me think that perhaps they have an organization similar to our self appointed community organizers or whatever they are calling themselves these days, You know the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC, and they probably have members involved as elected officials, you decide for yourself, okay?
I am not going to post the story just the headline and link. But please notice how they changed ordinace's to accomplish harrassment.
City of Roswell, GA, bullies Andrew Wordes to death over his backyard chickens
http://www.naturalnews.com/035524_Andrew_Wordes_Roswell_chickens.html
They include a link in the story to a timeline of events.
Think it couldn't happen here?
Just go back and read this thread and look for indications?
Just reminder tomorrow night is the big Kommunity Konversation at 6:30 in the old Moline Grade School.
Where by the way you ay be able to get your Kindergartner name tags with a Kindergarten colored star and be invited to sit in circles of chairs like Kindergartener's. What fun, huh?
There will probably be at least two Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners there, I bet, don't you?
I believe the plan is most likely in motion for a young lady to start a daycare and most likely in Howard, no crystal ball required is there? It just appears that's the way things work around here.
If the young lady starts a daycare here, and I wish her all the best in her endeavor. Good luck and welcome home to Elk County.
It's my opinion this so called Kommunity Konversation is probably more for the purpose of finding children for the daycare business more then anything else. But, could I be wrong?
Perhaps, it is being devised to figure out a way of getting county taxpayers "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, what do you suppose?
What is the problem with the Elk Konnected, LLC followers?
I sure hope they are not ill or anything.
Don't they usually show up by now, calling me names or saying how wrong I am.
They have me worried, that they may have caught the bug a few people I know have been suffering from,
and besides that I miss them.
Last reminder.
Big, big meeting tonight about babysitting.
Babysitters available during the meeting.
At the old grade school in Moline.
6:30 pm.
Possibly an opportunity to take a look at county commissioners and
other so called community leaders.
I say,
so called community leaders,
because,
to me they appear to me to being lead by the nose,
to so called Community Conversations,
that are put on by a privately owned company,
What do you think?
Naw, I don't plan to go, but who knows.
No, got more important things to do,
Got lawn to mow,
Garden to put in,
Since I already know what is happening
Why Bother
I don't want to watch community leaders being led by the nose
There isn't much that can be accomplished
If it goes to "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" conversation
that's all it can be is talk
If it is a fishing episode to find children for babysitting
that's all it can be
Just talk
Like the list at the beginning of this thread
Boreing
In my opinion.
But all the rest of you be sure to go and get your
Gold Star
or
Red Star
or
Blue Star
I hope they don't ove manipulate you
Have a good evening
I will have a good evening at home
How to start a daycare seminar: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13480.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13480.0.html)
Not a bad idea... but so closely on the heels of the EK Kommunity Konversation on the same subject?
Coincidence? I doubt it. Background community organization effort? Count on it.
That ain't no surprise.
Afterall, the meeting tonight, I figure is just a fishing expedition.
I was kind of expecting some kind of (sorta) big gun to be brought in.
To attempt to do what they can't do.
Who are they going to bring in next?
How about SEK or one of the many other organizations?
Afterall, they need a company from way over on the otherside of the state to start up, didn't they?
It doesn't reak of leadership but more of let's follow someone else, in my opinion.
I wonder why people just have to belong to an organization, and then the organization has to belong to another organization, and then to use yet another organization in order to accomplish something.
I just don't get where there is any leadership in any of that.
To me it's more like I follow you, if you follow me.
But, don't forget to pay your dues in taxpayers dollars.
To me it is just as screwed up as what has caused the national financial crisis.
Where is the ethics, the principles and morales???
Gone bye-bye.
Just a few thoughts and opinions on my part.
Sorry to go back a week, but I wasn't following the Politics section when this was posted.
Quote from: Patriot on April 05, 2012, 09:38:22 AM
I have notice the leftist, Soros supported, organization Americans for Prosperity is deeply involved in this.
If Americans For Prosperity is a Soros funded leftist organization, then how is it that it was founded by the Koch Brothers, who continue to fund it directly and indirectly?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/lauriebennett/2012/03/31/tracking-koch-money-and-americans-for-prosperity/
My mistake flint. Thanks for the correction.
It's beginning to look like Elk Konnected, LLC is beginning to learn something, don't you think?
I.E. who to use and when to use them, huh?
They had them at the meeting last night.
I understand about 20 people showed up for the great big Kommunity Konversation.
Five from Elk Konnected, LLC which included the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the KSU Extension person.
And I didn't see the sheriff's office vehicles there, wow!
Do you reckon Elk Konnected, LLC got the message about using the sheriff's department which is a County resource?
Oh, and guess what, no circle of chairs. I would guess because there were not enough people, what would you guess?
But let's talk about your dreams of what a daycare should be, really?
Where are all the visionaries, with the answers?
How about, a flower garden was suggested, really?
Is that what is important about a daycare?
I would think, who is going to start a daycare and who is going to pay for it, would be the important issue's, wouldn't you?
And what about how many children would be available to attend this imaginary daycare?
How much would it cost for a single child per week to attend this imaginary daycare?
I understand the Moline School was suggested for the daycare, because it is centraly located for the majority of Elk County actual communities. But was it really said, that it has to be in Howard?
Does Elk Konnected. LLC have their eye on the windfarm money?
What is the privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC's real agenda?
Surely, it isn't to just hold meetings to discuss flower gardens and dreams about an imaginary daycare center, one that doesn't exist?
I would also like to ask, what is happening to the Elk Konnected, LLC's supposed Kommunity, is it shrinking, is it's population in decline like Elk County? Didn't only about 20 people show up for the Kommunity Konversation?
And weren't about a fourth of those Elk Konnected, LLC?
Wasn't part of the purpose of Elk Konnected to stimulate growth in Elk County, what's with the decline in Elk Konnected, LLC's Kommunity population?
What do you say Elk Konnected, LLC, let's knock down some of those barriers you have built, with some real open and honest dialog ?
How about it Elk Konnected, LLC and our Konnected Komissioners?
People really want to know the truth and the whole story.
What's this I hear, about plans for a teen center, using the windfarm monies?
Who's idea is that? Would that be another Elk Konnected, LLC big idea?
What happened to the big idea of a YMCA at the rodeo grounds?
What happened to the big idea of putting the first million in the bank?
What's the new big idea, is the new idea to spend until you drop?
I think everyone should see this, so I am bringing it over from:Re: Ross's Berate-Thy-Neighbor http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13493.msg187822.html#msg187822
Quote from: ELK@KC on April 13, 2012, 06:59:54 AM
In reviewing all of Ross' posts, I think a better term for his Philosophy would be "Berate-Thy-Neighbor. I don't have anything to do with Elk Konnect, but I think it is a good program and I commend all of you that have worked so hard in it, to help the people of Elk County of all ages. I am pleased that the Elk Konnect people have ignored Ross and not stooped to his level and answered him on the Forum. The Forum was a fun place for so many until Ross and his cronies worked so hard to ruin it.
My Response:Quote from: Ross on April 13, 2012, 10:02:43 AM
That just shows your lack of logical reasoning, in my opinion?
I have no power to do any such thing, nor do I desire to do so.
I have repeadily said, "Please ignore shatever I say or ask, and think for yourself.
So aren't you indicationg that the population of Elk County can not or should not think for themselves?
Or is it jsut another of Elk Konnected, LLC's followers bullying tactics?
I will allow you your opinion, as I have no choice in the matter, even, if it is foolishly false and denigrating to both of us.
I am not offended by this error of judgement on your part.
Please read the following:
"Of course we should be skeptical.
Of course we should be questioning.
Of course we shouldn't be naïve."
British Prime Minister
So, continue to enjoy yourself and those that you follow, with my blessings.
So there you have it folks, apparently I am Ross the heathen for asking honestly, questions that are not appreciated by Elk Konnected, LLC followers.
Dang me!
Oh yea and I seriously believe most people have a built in B.S. detector,
and are capable of thinking for themselves.
And I cheer those folks!
Perhaps you should too Elk@KC!
Then why are you so insistant on telling us all that we are wrong? If we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions, why are they wrong when they don't agree with yours? Why do you think that we have to be what to think? It seems to me that you are the one that is trying to force opinions onto others.
Quote from: Wilma on April 13, 2012, 02:19:16 PM
Then why are you so insistant on telling us all that we are wrong? If we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions, why are they wrong when they don't agree with yours? Why do you think that we have to be what to think? It seems to me that you are the one that is trying to force opinions onto others.
I'm not telling you that. I do tell you that you don't have any answers as to what is really going on, because you have no answers.
You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine.
Enjoy it.
Quote from: Wilma on April 13, 2012, 02:19:16 PM
Then why are you so insistant on telling us all that we are wrong? If we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions, why are they wrong when they don't agree with yours? Why do you think that we have to be what to think? It seems to me that you are the one that is trying to force opinions onto others.
Might be that the actions of EK, those that use Taxpayer funds or resources by a private company is absolutely wrong, and in many cases illegal as was determined in a couple of cases. IF your supporting illegal and wrong actions that in fact makes You wrong in your belief and decision.
In a corporation it would be called embezzlement and fraud you know.
It's my
opinion if you lack transparency and lack the ability to work in the light of day, and your use of deception and deception by omission, shows a
lack of morals, ethics and principles. And in my opinion any that support such
lack of morals, ethics and principles should revisit that support.
Where is the christianity in that? I do believe most people in Elk County have already undertaken this process without my suggesting it.By deception, I am referring to the use of resources that are not yours to use, i.e. county web site, county emergency call system, county equipment and county employees and who knows what else, to accomplish your personal goals.
In effect
taking advantage of all the county
taxpayers and citizens and thier
resources.Also, writing letters of praise to yourself as
Elk Konnected founder, and using your position as an elected official of the people representing every citizen of the county as
Elk County Commissioner is also deceptive and shows a
lack of morals, ethics and principles in my opinion. And
County Commissioners who are associated with the organization acting as cheerleaders at County Commissioners Meeting shows the same
lack of morals, ethics and principles in my opinion.
And to claim in an open letter to the public that you want to pull the actual communities together and end any rivalry while in the same letter
dissing at least one possibly two of the real communities and in effect their city council, their city government also
lacks tact and diplomacy as well as morals, ethics and principles in my opinion.As our elected
County Commissioners to vote for to vote to
give yourself as
Elk Konnected, LLC associates, members, cheerleaders, etc. also
lacks morals, ethics and principles in my opinion.
As the
County Commissioner who founded Elk Konnected, LLC and works for the Company that
Elk Konnected, LLC pays membership fees to, in
the thousands of dollars yearly, from county money in the form of
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" by asking for County Taxpayers money and voting to give that money to your own organization also lacks morals, ethics and principles in my opinion. But then to say the money in the
County Coffers is not really taxpayers money but that it is a different thing is totally wrong on your part, but once again it is just my opinion. If it is not Taxpayers money why is it in the taxpayers coffers? I know for a fact it is
not Elk Konnected, LLC's money, at least until they vote at the
County commissioners Meeting to give it to themselves, just think about that for a minute.
County Commissioner Hendricks came on this thread and started a dialog with everyone on this forum through this thread representing Elk Konnected, LLC gut has since refused to return? Why? If this thread is wrong why not prove it, right here? Is it because she can only operate in a meeting, where if something is said that she doesn't like , she can then call for the sheriff and have the outspoken individual ejected? Would that be especially true, if the question can not be answered honestly? I'd really like to know?
Didn't County Commissioner Hendricks also make the statement that this forum would be
Elk Konnected's major source of communication with Elk County? So w hy does she refuse to communicate? Isn't communication best in the form of two way communication if your saying you are there for the residence, citizens of Elk County?
And when as
County Commissioners you fail to inforandm the citizens of the county what or who our employee, the Economic Development employee is working on is dispicable. You were not elected to keep secrets from the citizens of elk County We don't pay you or our
Economice Development employee to keep secrets from us the taxpayers and voters. Why would someone working with our employee ask her to keep secrets from us, more importantly why would our employee would she answer to other then her employeer? Perhaps it is her eployeer's, the
Elected Officials, she is working for on the side? Because asking the name of the organization, company or person is not confidential information. The release of that information would have no effect on any trade secrets or the company's financial business.
So I ask, what are our county officials hiding?I would like to have the Elk Konnected, LLC Leaders, Owner's, Follower's and/or Member's tear this post apart line by line, quote each paragraph or each line and use their abilities to have an open and honest dialog about this post as well as this whole thread with the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County. Please put help put it all in perspective.
Don't just tell me it's
vile, tell which line or which statement is
vile and why, please.
Ya'all claim to be highly educated so iit should be no problem to let this un-educated, redneck hick see and read all the educated responses.
Lets discuss this.
Do you have what it takes?
"Of course we should be skeptical.
Of course we should be questioning.
Of course we shouldn't be naïve."
British Prime Minister
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Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 10:33:20 AM
::)
I agree. Things are out of hand with our elected officials and their Konnection with
Elk Konnected, LLC. But being highly educated with a diploma and all that it sure seems your response seems to be lacking the intellect of even a hick (meaning me) to put into words what you are trying to say, and that resembles the answer to questions by all the
Konnected Followers.
Real Intellegent, me thinks. :angel:
LOL
The only quasi-intelligent thing I've seen done is some copying/pasting. Other than that, it's just the Rosco Show, once again dominating over 300 pages with senseless drivel, designed to do nothing but drown out anyone or anything that might resemble intelligent discourse. Frank was correct...All of the people who used to post here have left, thanks to a handful of loons.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
The only quasi-intelligent thing I've seen done is some copying/pasting. Other than that, it's just the Rosco Show, once again dominating over 300 pages with senseless drivel, designed to do nothing but drown out anyone or anything that might resemble intelligent discourse.
And didn't you say that back at page 90 or there about's, nearly the very samething and that you would not return?
Well, welcome back.
This above statement appears to be your honest opinion, and you are entitled to it, but I must say,
I am so sorry you have no comprehension of what is actually going on or being asked?
And all that name calling show's either a lack of upbringing or lack of education, which do you believe it is?
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 12:53:43 PM
Frank was correct...All of the people who used to post here have left, thanks to a handful of loons.
Now, now there is some more of that name calling, please see the note above.
As a matter of fact, I would guess and say, with 699 Members, which includes the new member today and not counting the visitors, quite the opposite is true. Just my guess, I don't have enough facts either.
Have you counted all the posting across the forum, do you have the number of post's from a year ago?
With out facts, I'm sorry Frank is wrong and so are you. I'm so sorry you guys stoop so low.
What you have stated is just another
lstory perpetrated by
Elk Konnected Followers. And I do strongly believe if the owners of this forum thought this thread was running people off, they would simply delete this thread and give a few of us a royal ass chewing.
So back to the real issues, how about it?
Do you know for a fact what
Elk Konnected, LLC and the
Konnected Kommissioners plans really are?
Here is your chance to have some real and intellegent input. Enlighten us, please.
Please don't let us down.
Catwoman :
Frank was correct...All of the people who used to post here have left, thanks to a handful of loons.
Cat, I see you are still posting so you really shouldn't be so hard on yourself !!
Yea, I'm a loon too--I guess
No, Jar...You are no loon. You are a person whom I used to enjoy talking to, when I lived in Elk County. ;) The comment wasn't aimed at you, as you should well know. And, as I can see...Ross' techniques are still very much in play, unfortunately. It is sad to see it, given the amount of damage that the old windbag has done to this Forum. And no...I am not posting like I once used to...There is no point to doing so when anything that is said is attacked in a most ungentlemanly, curmudgeonly manner. As I said previously...Frank has it right...Unfortunately.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 03:45:41 PM
And, as I can see...Ross' techniques are still very much in play, unfortunately. It is sad to see it, given the amount of damage that the old windbag has done to this Forum.
Have you discussed all this damage with the owners of the forum?
I'm sure they would love to hear your opinion? Not!
You Elk Konnected, LLC Followers from afar have no answers, just bad mouthing, why is that?
Can you provide any really intelluctual input to the issues?
As I asked you earlier and I quote myself:
Quote from: Ross on April 14, 2012, 01:34:09 PM
So back to the real issues, how about it?
Do you know for a fact what Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kommissioners plans really are?
Here is your chance to have some real and intellegent input. Enlighten us, please.
Please don't let us down.
Didn't take very long for my statement to be proven valid. And yes...You spend a lot of time quoting yourself...Hard to come up with new material, isn't it...Sad.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 04:02:35 PM
Didn't take very long for my statement to be proven valid. And yes...You spend a lot of time quoting yourself...Hard to come up with new material, isn't it...Sad.
So that you can comprehendthat I am not changing my offer for some form of intellectual response from you concerning the subject of this thread, but you continue to fail to provide anything of value.
That is what is really sad, you can not contribute to the conversation.
Goodnight.
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Good job cat, I think you buried him. Think about the fact that his 2 main supporters have never lived in elk county, don't own property in elk county, don't pay taxes in elk county, and are politically fascists, as are Ross and patriot.
;D ELK, you are so correct. But, watch out...Rationality isn't appreciated...You have just set yourself up to be attacked by the curmudgeons. Remember...Duck and weave...lol ::)
They are so far right, and want to control everyone, by definition they would be fascists
Quote:
Think about the fact that his 2 main supporters have never lived in elk county, don't own property in elk county, don't pay taxes in elk county
Could you please specify which two supporters you are referring to ?
Thanks in advance.
No Elk, I believe you are way off base. Those you accuse have never advocated dictatorial government. Quite the opposite actually.
The rumors of stress among the 'Konnected' having their relationship with government scrutinized must have some validity given the number of uninformed posters returning to this thread to attack private citizens and defend 'the cause'. Was there an Alinsky Method training session recently? Resort to personal attacks vs confronting the issues & questions that are raised.
Fascists? You've got to be kidding...
Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
The obvious should show who here is supportive of centralization of authority under a dictator and who here is promoting censorship.
At least get your definitions right.
ELK, kitty, lady di... isn't it you who have tried so desperately to silence red, Ross, myself and anyone who questions the gods & goddesses of private business - government cronyism? Isn't it you who have routinely advanced pejoratives and engaged in ad hominem attacks. By trying to label some of us as fascist, it seems Elk@kc is engaging in what psychologists call projection. That is unknowingly projecting their own failings & personality traits on others. Do you have ghosts under your bed as well?
Quote from: ELK@KC on April 14, 2012, 05:33:38 PM
Good job cat, I think you buried him. Think about the fact that his 2 main supporters have never lived in elk county, don't own property in elk county, don't pay taxes in elk county, and are politically fascists, as are Ross and patriot.
I'm sorry Elk and Cat, I just can't sit here and wait for a response, I have chores to do. So when I come back I find a response that is only a funny face. Nothing intellegent, nothing to respond to. What's with that?
No I'm not burried, but I feel like i am in your B.S up to my elbows.
And now we have two Elk Konnected Followers trying to bully with the silliness and name calling. Neither one of which can provide any useful intellectual information. I don't believe either one has any understanding or comprehension of any of the questions?
I don't believe either one knows anythig about Elk Konnected, LLC except what they are told to do by their leaders.
And that is simply create a diversion and try to confuse the citizens of Elk County for easy manipulation.
Guess what, I believe the citizens are intellegent enough to recognize the ploy you are attempting to pull off and it simply won't work.
However, you are doing exactly as I want, you are showing the true face of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Keep up the good work.
;D Try again, Ross. Man...Talk about projection...Patriot, you called it correctly but aimed it in the wrong direction. See what I was referring to, ELK? Remember...Duck and weave...lol ;)
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 06:09:28 PM
;D Try again, Ross. Man...Talk about projection...Patriot, you called it correctly but aimed it in the wrong direction. See what I was referring to, ELK? Remember...Duck and weave...lol ;)
If you can provide documented evidence that those you disparage have advocated fascism (not some EK mouthpiece's made up definition) in Elk County, or elsewhere, I would like to see it. Your failure to back up what you have said or supported in that regard will be a clear case of duck & weave on your part.... and therefore projection as well.
Uh huh...You bet. In the meantime...As you defend the PatRoss method (unsuccessfully, I might add)...There are actually people out there accomplishing good, in spite of you all. What you call cronyism is actually people who are able to work together to get things done. It speaks volumes that you don't seem to be able to contribute more than words to the situation in Elk County. I used to live there and worked every day of those years to better the lives of the people around me. All you two have done is go on, ad naseum, accomplishing nothing. When the PatRoss contingent accomplishes something more than being a public nuisance, then that WILL be news!
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 06:28:37 PM
Uh huh...You bet. In the meantime...As you defend the PatRoss method (unsuccessfully, I might add)...There are actually people out there accomplishing good, in spite of you all. What you call cronyism is actually people who are able to work together to get things done. It speaks volumes that you don't seem to be able to contribute more than words to the situation in Elk County. I used to live there and worked every day of those years to better the lives of the people around me. All you two have done is go on, ad naseum, accomplishing nothing. When the PatRoss contingent accomplishes something more than being a public nuisance, then that WILL be news!
Let's see, when was the last local commission meeting you attended, the last time you reviewed our budget/grant/financial documents, saw the handouts of public funds to EK in person, or obtained face to face feedback from local citizens? Oh, that's right, you have nothing at stake here in the Elk County game, do you? Why did you leave, anyway? Speaking of folks who are accused of hiding behind a forum nickname..........
LOL...Oh, Patsy (interesting that you call me out on my using a screen name then you use one yourself...What a joke)...Some of us have lives, unlike some of you choose to deflect, accuse and ask questions like as if you have a clue... ::) I spent one very long period of time there, going to meetings and being a part of the community there. I actually contributed while I lived there...What have you contributed to, other than attempting to create migraines for those who actually get something done?
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 06:48:00 PM
LOL...Oh, Patsy (interesting that you call me out on my using a screen name then you use one yourself...What a joke)...Some of us have lives, unlike some of you choose to deflect, accuse and ask questions like as if you have a clue... ::) I spent one very long period of time there, going to meetings and being a part of the community there. I actually contributed while I lived there...What have you contributed to, other than attempting to create migraines for those who actually get something done?
But I've been outed... how about you, judy.
Patsy...The people whom I converse with on a regular basis know exactly who I am. My identity has never been hidden from those who actually do have something to do with the welfare of the people of Elk County...And you're not one of them.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 07:02:02 PM
Patsy...The people whom I converse with on a regular basis know exactly who I am. My identity has never been hidden from those who actually do have something to do with the welfare of the people of Elk County...And you're not one of them.
Did it ever occur to your cloister, that my situation might be the same? Of course, given the double standards by which you live, that really doesn't matter, does it?
Careful...You are projecting again, Patsy... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 07:13:04 PM
Careful...You are projecting again, Patsy... ;D
And they allow you to interact with children? ???
When you mature to the point of being able to focus on & debate matters of public policy absent personal attacks, drop back by.
LOL...Is that all the better you can come up with? Oh, Patriot...Thank you for making this dull evening so enjoyable... ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 06:28:37 PM
I used to live there and worked every day of those years to better the lives of the people around me. All you two have done is go on, ad naseum, accomplishing nothing.
First your key word's are "use to live here".
Second you can say, "you worked every day to better the lives of others". anyone can say that.
I think, I'll say that too.
But what has that got to do with Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kommissioners abusing county resources and voting to give their own organization taxpayers money?
What has that got to do with a County Commissioner writing an open letter to herself as Elk Konnected, LLC?
What do those remarks have to do with anything pertaining to this thread?
Absolutely nothing. Can you understand and comprehend this bit of information?
I'll be back with some more for you shortly.
What it has to do with is your inability to do anything more than post...Post...Post...And yet have nothing of substance to back it up. Yet, your posts deride anyone who is actually working for the people of Elk County. Over 370 pages of the same crap, over and over again...And endless copying/pasting of your own comments, when no one will feed you anything to pick apart. Yup, that's what it's got to do with. Now...Live down to your antisocial tendencies and pick this one apart. And be sure you've got the definition of Antisocial correct before you start expounding on what you obviously don't understand. Now...Ready...Set...Go for it...Prove my earlier post as being absolutely correct.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 06:28:37 PM
What you call cronyism is actually people who are able to work together to get things done. It speaks volumes that you don't seem to be able to contribute more than words to the situation in Elk County.
Please enlighten us as to what they have accomplished?
Was it that an Elk County Commissioner started Elk Konnected, LLC?
Is it that the Elk County Commissioner ask someone to represent her LLC to come before ant the other
Konnected Commissioner begging for taxpayer dollars?
Is it that
Elk Konnected, LLC failed at running their business known as the Wellness Center?
Is it that
Elk Konnected, LLC keeps losing members of their steering committee?
Is it that
Elk Konnected, LLC has used thousands of taxpayer dollars to a County Commissioners Employer known as Public Squares Communities, LLC?
Are you aware
Elk Konnected, LLC has drummed up so much support in the county that they have only 5 people on their Steering Committee?
Are you aware that
Elk Konnected, LLC has te following Action Teams:
Physical Image
Wellness
Youth Development
But list no people involved in the action teams?
Just check their web site http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php
While there read their story "About Us" and how they dissed one of our actual communities and it's city governments choices of governing themselves.
Here is the link. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
Is that one of the accomplishments you are referring to Catwoman.
Please enlighten us of all you knowledge of
Elk Konnected, LLC's accomplishments.
I'm really confused about them.
omg...Goodnight, Ross. Go take a pill or do whatever it is that you do to come off of one of these rants. This has been an entertaining way to spend an otherwise dull Saturday evening, up to now...But your incessant repeating of everything that you've said before, ad naseum, is tiring in the extreme. Sweet dreams, little man. ;D
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 07:48:57 PM
What it has to do with is your inability to do anything more than post...Post...Post...And yet have nothing of substance to back it up. Yet, your posts deride anyone who is actually working for the people of Elk County. Over 370 pages of the same crap, over and over again...And endless copying/pasting of your own comments, when no one will feed you anything to pick apart. Yup, that's what it's got to do with. Now...Live down to your antisocial tendencies and pick this one apart. And be sure you've got the definition of Antisocial correct before you start expounding on what you obviously don't understand. Now...Ready...Set...Go for it...Prove my earlier post as being absolutely correct.
Actually it has to do with your lack of knowledge of this thread and what is going on.
Actually the truth is you have nothing to contribute to this thread or you would?
You would say what has been accomplished by the privately owned company that you follow.
But there are no accoplishments, so you cannot list them. Please see the post directly above your last post.
Quote from: Catwoman on April 14, 2012, 08:41:35 PM
omg...Goodnight, Ross. Go take a pill or do whatever it is that you do to come off of one of these rants. This has been an entertaining way to spend an otherwise dull Saturday evening, up to now...But your incessant repeating of everything that you've said before, ad naseum, is tiring in the extreme. Sweet dreams, little man. ;D
If you were not so narrow minded you would see it is not a rant but a wake up call.
There is talk on the street that Elk Konnected, LLC wants to open a teen center using taxpayers money from the windfarm.
What do you know about that?
It appears to me if Elk Konnected, LLC see's "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, they want it.
That's what I see, that's my opinion?
Wasn't there a Teen Center here that failed because no one used it?
I amstaying up watching the 3/4 mile wide tornado heading for metro Wichita. It has been on the ground for a long time. It is now moving into the Clearwater area. I am praying for all the residents of Wichita and the surrounding area. I can not even think of sleep till this is over.
You sleep tight little girl.
Well, now that the tornados have moved out of my area, I will indeed do so... :P...Sweet dreams and thank you for the prayers. They're appreciated.
What, you haven't heard of the
"Coalition of Loonies and Free Thinkers Association. LLC" ?
You should try it?Just sign up on the line provided, but then wad it up and throw it in the
"gar'-ba'-ge".Well, let me tell you about them, they don't allow others, such as group's, organization's, peer group pressure, self proclaimed visionaries, wizards, magicians or manipulators tell them what to think, or how to think.
They also don't appreciate open letters to the public providing false information by not stating the fact that the person writing the letter praising an organization is actually the founder writing about herself.
To join:
You don't want to sign in on a little piece of paper.
You don't want to sit in a circle of chairs waiting to be told who you can sit with.
You Don't want to be required to wear a name tag, with a little colored star.
You don't want to wait to be told what to think or how to think or what to say.
You don't want to be told constantly to think happy, positive thoughts?
You don't want to be told that nothing can go wrong just because taxpayers dollars are thrown at it.
You don't want to be told your opinion doesn't matter, but are not really offend by the people that do it.
You understand and comprehend that all these negative "you don't's" are actually are important positive aspects of your personal life.
You understand that you are as equally as important as so called leaders, especially the ones that have no idea what leadership really is.
And you understand this is all about you the individual, and that individualism is important. And you can ask the following about any subject;
Who?
What?
Where?
When?
Why? And
How?
And realize these are very important questions in solving problems and turning them into something positive.
( I have a hard time writin on dem little lines with my crayon, so I spaces them out, thank ya kindly. It's betters my eyein it too. I is jus gettin oldern dirt.) Well, just sign on the line _______________. We need your name to put in our ledger.
Oops, my mistake!
You are already a member just by the virtue of being you a free thinker. No need to sign anything at all. You are respected for being, you the free thinker.
Congratulations.
The best part you don't have to volunteer for some organization because they say so, so they can take credit for your volunteerism, while they sit back and watch . You are free to do whatever volunteer you want to do. Commonly known as
"Helping-Thy-Neighbor". And you don't have to advertise it at an expense to the County Taxpayers.
And you don't have to pay any dues, to any LLC anywhere, anytime.
Ain't life grand?
Disclaimer: Meanin" B.S. if'n ya like.
This is just fer fun.
You aint required to believe even a single little bit of this here thingy, ya'all unerstan.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again..... This is far from over. Those who want to blindly support Obama style politics in Elk County are in for an interesting ride. While many who question may have been born at night, it wasn't last night. Just remember... there really are no secrets, and sunshine is a great disinfectant. :)
Maybe its just me and this is off thread (oh sigh, oh fuey) but that tax rebate wouldn't have anything to do with that new shop in howard would it?? I mean seriously, the timing sure is questionable.
What new shop Varmit ? Who's is it ?
Quote from: Varmit on April 16, 2012, 06:27:51 PM
Maybe its just me and this is off thread (oh sigh, oh fuey) but that tax rebate wouldn't have anything to do with that new shop in howard would it?? I mean seriously, the timing sure is questionable.
The tax 'incentive' program you're talking about hasn't yet been approved or implemented. The only vote taken on the matter was to allow Jennifer and the county appraiser to continue to study the program and put a plan together for the commission.
ooooh! Well then thats what paranoia gets ya I guess. :) My bad.
Not for sure jarhead. Guess I was just connecting to many dots. But thats what acid laced weed gets ya! :P
Heck Varmit it's them little booboo's that remind us we are human, nothin to do with paranoid.
I think is best described as bouncing around if ya know what I mean.
But anyhow, perhaps some of them Elk Konnected, LLC Followers might like to come on back over here with some praise for their beloved organization and tell us about all the good thing it has done with our taxpayers dollars that were provided by "Konnected Kounty Kommissioners".
I'd especially like to hear more about them taxpayer dollars in the county coffers that are something different as they were called by one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, that might be edumactional. Don't ya think?
Perhaps some of the Followers might find out some real information to share with us and be able to answer some of the questions that have been asked through out this thread, that they can't answer so far to date.
I went fishing this evening and durn I did do any better than trying to get answers fro them Elk Konnected Followers. But, I had just as much fun trying.
I just recieved this message via e-mail and thought, yea why not post it. So here it is.
The next Governmental Ethics Commission Meeting will be held
Wednesday, April 18, 2012 at 1:00 p.m.
109 SW 9th, Suite 504, Topeka, Kansas 66612
Perhaps that's what we need here in Elk County made up of a few redneck hcks with ethics, principles etc.
Maybe then we could have a County Commissioners panel that had better ethics. With the exception of the one that appears to have very good values and ethics.
Just a thought.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 17, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
Ross,
So, are you saying that maybe EK Konnected, LLC may not have had anything to do with scheduling this meeting?
No! I have no idea one way or another.
Do you have an idea?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 17, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
If so, in my opinion, you owe some apologies, especially to Mom70x7. It would, after all, be the ethical and honorable thing to do.
You are entitled to your opinion!
However, all I did was ask questions!
Asking questions require no apologies!
Unless
Elk Konnected, LLC and their followers have came up with a new rule of course, have they by chance
?Quote from: ddurbin on April 17, 2012, 01:48:40 PM
But of course, don't believe a word I'm saying here. Do your own thinking.
But I do, I believe everything you have attempted to do here has been in the sincerest of intentions.
And thank you, I do, do my Own thinking.
I have responded to each of your statements to the best of my abilities.
Have a nice evening, I'm going fishing.
Mr. Durbin, I respectfully answered your questions and responded very politely and precisely line by line so as to avoid any confusion.
I would respectfully request the same in return.
That is to answer my questions and responded very politely and precisely line by line so as to avoid any confusion, if that is possible. If not line by line that would be okay as well.
Here are a couple of more questions for you.
But please consider the fact that
Elk Konnected, LLC held one of their famous Kommunity Konversations concerning a day care center wiith an article in the local newspaper. And apparently only the two Konnected Kommissioners showed up for it. And then with in a week or less their fliyers/announcements that there is yet another meeting. At the Kommunity Konversations meeting there was someone from some other organization and I would suspect they were from Child Care Aware of SE Kansas, which I believe is yet another organization similar in many ways as
Elk Konnected, LLC.
However, I was not there please understand that. And as well from the street it has been said the
Elk Konnected, LLC stated they were going to start a Daycare. Street talk only, because again, I repeat I was not there. However, with your Konnection and vast knowledge of
Elk Konnected, LLC you might shed some light on this information. It would be greatly appreciated.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on April 10, 2012, 10:07:10 PM
Hosted by Rolling Prairie Extension Office:
If you would Mr. Perkins can you please tell us who initiated bring in the outside organization?
If Elk Konnected, LLC actually is planning to start a Daycare why hide from the real communities they purport to be there to help? Why keep, to their imaginary Elk Konnected Kommunity .
To quote the Prairie Star article: Elk Konnected, a familiar name in Elk County and the surrounding communities, is a community development program designed to
promote strong families, solid education, and a superior lifestyle.How does an organization accomplish these facts by keeping the County Citizen's in the dark. It sounds more like a disfunctional family to me, more then anything else. I know Konnected Kommissioner Liebau will find this statement especially
very vile, however, like everyone else on this thread, I am entitled to my opinion.
Please respond Mr. Durbin.
Ross,
I will respond, but it may be the last time I do.
For the FOURTH time, I will repeat myself and tell you again--I am not a member of, nor a FOLLOWER of Elk Konnected, LLC. You and a couple of others have tagged me as such, simply because I questioned the basis for some of your attacks on them. I can not speak on their behalf or answer any of your long list of questions regarding their intentions or actions. My only intentions in my postings were to question why you find it necessary to associate anything and/or anyone you disagree with to them. You seem to be rather tunnel-visioned in that regard. I am fairly confident that you will reply countering all that I am saying here and reiterate that all you do is simply ask questions. I agree that you do ask a lot of questions and probably most of them go unanswered because of the way you ask them. They come off being very accusatory and negative in nature. Simply phrasing everything in the form of a question, does not make it 'innocent in nature'.
One last point before I close. You stated it isn't necessary to apologize for asking questions. I disagree with that, and feel that if a question is asked of someone that is unwarranted, based on false information, or is totally accusatory in nature, an apology is warranted and is the proper and ethical thing to do. But again, that is just my opinion and you are free to disagree.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
Ross,
I will respond, but it may be the last time I do.
Well, I thank you for responding. Even though I disagree with most of what you have to say.
But, I do appreciate the response. Thank You.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
For the FOURTH time, I will repeat myself and tell you again--I am not a member of, nor a FOLLOWER of Elk Konnected, LLC. You and a couple of others have tagged me as such, simply because I questioned the basis for some of your attacks on them.
Asking questions is not attacking? That's just plain nonsense in my opinion. But again you are entitled to your opinion as well.
Then there is nothing for you to be so defensive about, is there, if you are not an
Elk Konnected, LLC Follower, right? Really you're not involved or Konnected, your statements about all the good
Elk Konnected, LLC has done, seem to say differently. Even though you never mention, what they do that is good. So all that sort of negate's, all you say about
Elk Konnected, LLC right? So yes, I will graciously accept that you are not Konnected.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
I can not speak on their behalf or answer any of your long list of questions regarding their intentions or actions.
I truly am, sorry about that, because good information is what is really wanted here.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
My only intentions in my postings were to question why you find it necessary to associate anything and/or anyone you disagree with to them.
Well, why in the world didn't you just come out and ask that in the first place? It sure would have made life a lot easier for everyone, wouldn't it?
They, whoever they are that your are referring to, keep coming back with the same old stuff.
Elk Konnected, LLC does so much good, but never say what. They, that you talk about, associate themselves with Elk Konnected, LLC that way, Not me or anyone else does it for them.
And this thread is about
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kommissioners if you hadn't noticed. I hope that answers this question for you.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
You seem to be rather tunnel-visioned in that regard. I am fairly confident that you will reply countering all that I am saying here and reiterate that all you do is simply ask questions. I agree that you do ask a lot of questions and probably most of them go unanswered because of the way you ask them. They come off being very accusatory and negative in nature. Simply phrasing everything in the form of a question, does not make it 'innocent in nature'.
So you don't like the way I ask a question, I'm sorry about that! I only know one way, truthfuly and with a question mark.
If you find the accusatory then they ust be hittiong some kind of sore spot. Some times the truth hurts.
No more tunnel vision then
Elk Konnected, LLC asking Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for taxpayers dollars. In effect asking themselves to approve money for their privately owned company that they admit to being Konnected to?
This thread is like all other threads, designed as tunnel vision. You don't see every thread discussing the man in the moon, do you? Most of them have tunnel vision as well.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
One last point before I close. You stated it isn't necessary to apologize for asking questions. I disagree with that, and feel that if a question is asked of someone that is unwarranted, based on false information, or is totally accusatory in nature, an apology is warranted and is the proper and ethical thing to do. But again, that is just my opinion and you are free to disagree.
Thanks for permitting me to disagree.
Well, I disagree with you and your analogy, isn't that what make America
GREAT? We can do that here!?
False information, really? Can you provide proof of that?
And please, don't go away. But if you do please, come back with some information that might be helpful.
Have a good evening.
So I have got to ask, what is really going on?
I was on my way to attend the meeting at the Extension office when something of more concern to me came up. However, since I was already in Howard I stopped in briefly.
I was invited by to attend by Jeanne Fiscus, Provider Outreach Specialist, Child Care Aware® of Southeast Kansas via e-mail. Just so you know, I did not just barge in.
I apologized that I could not stay long and the meeting had not yet started. Of the 6 or 8 ladies that were there, some were checking out the refreshments.
In the mean time the ladies that were conducting the meeting spoke with me and very pleasantly might I add.
I was informed by e-mail, copied and pasted right here:
It is a informational meeting to help anyone looking to open a child care program in Elk or CQ County. End of e-mail quote.
They informed this meeting was for opening child care in individual homes.
I was informed that at the Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Konversation they were talking about a centrally located Day Care Center. So really, what is going on?
I asked if Elk Konnected, LLC had asked them to hold this meeting. They were very definitely sure that Elk Konnected, LLC had nothing to do with them at all.
When I asked who's idea it was to have a Day Care meeting, I believe it was the lady Jeanne Fiscus, Provider Outreach Specialist, from Child Care Aware® of Southeast Kansas of Pittsburg, Ks 66762 said she instigated this meeting. So how does someone from Pittsburg and an non-governmental organization know what is going on in Elk County if someone didn't invite them? I'm confused, how did they know if they were not contacted by someone? And really did we only have one daycare in Elk County back in January or even in March?
I asked, if there was no connection between Elk Konnected, LLC and this meeting why they were at the Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Konversation? They said something to the effect that they wanted to provide information. Now, I wasn't rude and passed up the opportunity to suggest that I thought that was the purpose of this meeting. I was also informed that this meeting had been planned since January or March
long before Elk Konnected, LLC planned their Kommunity Konversation.
I find this all very confusing, was Elk Konnected, LLC just taking advantage of someone else's plans, in order to be important? Or was their Kommunity Konversation only held because Public Squares Communities, LLC that receives our tax dollars, perhaps requires a meeting for Elk Konnected, LLC to continue Elk Konnected, LLC membership with them?
How is one to determine the truth?
If you show up at an Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Konversation to discuss daycare and you give a talk isn't there some kind of a connection? Doesn't someone usually invite you to give a talk?
Seriously, what is a person to believe?
This is copied and pasted from an e-mail I received from Jeanne Fiscus of Child Care Aware® of Southeast Kansas from Pittsburg:
Elk County has only one licensed child care provider and I spoke about the need for more licensed child care providers for both counties at the Elk/CQ ICC meeting in Howard in January. Kandace Metcalf was at the meeting. So I guess I started the talk, sent an email later to Kandace Metcalf about the idea of having a parenting fair or some event that I could draw some interest about starting a child care program. She called me back in early March and we started to plan together this event. She also told me that her provider( only licensed program in Elk) was moving. She was eager to help me set this up. I guess I would have been the one that started this recruitment effort.
I hope this answers your question.
End of E-mail.
I thought we had two daycares and one was closing? So what is the truth?
Who is a person to believe, KDHE Child Care Licensing, Child Care Aware of Kansas or Elk Konnected, LLC?
Perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC can provide some answers, PLEASE.
Or perhaps some of the Konnected Followers can provide some answers.
Anyone?
I believe that Shilo Crupper is currently the only licensed day care provider in Elk county and she will soon be moving. After Angie closed her daycare, there was much talk around the county about what they were going to do for childcare. Isn't it possible that great minds think alike? (I know you don't believe EK has "great minds.") Isn't it possible that both the KDHE and EK both saw a problem in this community that they both felt was important? Wasn't there 2 separate meetings?
Quote from: jprxmkt on April 18, 2012, 09:40:11 PM
Isn't it possible that both the KDHE and EK both saw a problem in this community that they both felt was important? Wasn't there 2 separate meetings?
Possible? Sure. Likely? Personally, I doubt it. As for daycare services here.... great idea as long as taxpayers don't have to subsidize it.
I believe it was said that
Elk Konnected, LLC was talking about a centrally located daycare center and the second group was talking dacare in individual homes. Go figure.
It doesn't take great minds to figure out if you don't have daycare and there is aneed for it, that there might be people out there interested in doing it.
I believe the second group has the superior idea. Individual homes in each of the communities so people wouldn't have to drive half way across the county and back again to go to work. And then each daycare operator can choose for them selves if a flower garden in their daycare is a necissity or niceity. Wasn't a flower garden at the Kommunity Konversation concerning daycare the idea of a great mind? Yea, for individualism.
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But I believe my main question about the meetings was one about who is a person to believe. And I wasn't refering to just the question of how many daycares there are in Elk County but to all the questions and statements in the post.
Let me quote myself:
Quote from: Ross on April 18, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
Who is a person to believe, KDHE Child Care Licensing, Child Care Aware of Kansas or Elk Konnected, LLC?
One is a Kansas Gov't agency, one is (priavately owned) local organization and the third is apparently a non-profit organization from Pitsburg, Kansas.
How many more organizations does Elk County need to really confuse matters to the point of total coonfusion?
One of my question's was if they have two of them that claim they have no connection with Elk Konnected, LLC as they stated, why were they at the
Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Konversation? Isn't there usually some kind of connection, doesn't someone usually ask, someone else to participate in their Kommunity Konversation?
Quote from: Ross on April 18, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
How is one to determine the truth?
Seriously, what is a person to believe?
This is copied and pasted from an e-mail I received from Jeanne Fiscus of Child Care Aware® of Southeast Kansas from Pittsburg:
Elk County has only one licensed child care provider and I spoke about the need for more licensed child care providers for both counties at the Elk/CQ ICC meeting in Howard in January. Kandace Metcalf was at the meeting. So I guess I started the talk, sent an email later to Kandace Metcalf about the idea of having a parenting fair or some event that I could draw some interest about starting a child care program. She called me back in early March and we started to plan together this event. She also told me that her provider( only licensed program in Elk) was moving. She was eager to help me set this up. I guess I would have been the one that started this recruitment effort.
I hope this answers your question.
End of E-mail.
Quote from: Ross on April 18, 2012, 08:05:44 PM
Who is a person to believe, KDHE Child Care Licensing, Child Care Aware of Kansas or Elk Konnected, LLC?
Really, perhaps I should have asked who or what is a person actually to believe?
Is it just anything anybody choose's to say?
I think that the number one question that anyone should ask is, are there enough kids that would support a childcare business. Most child care business's i've ever seen are set up outside of new development. The logistics are you do not set one up centrally, you go where the parents are. Folks don't have time to go 30 min to a hour drive to drop kids off so a central one would not work. For example why would anyone who lived north of howard go back to howard to drop their kid off, when they have to work in wichita. adds a hour to their daily commute.
Not my problem if someone can't find a babysitter for their little one. Heck, my momma never left me with a babysitter.
Quote from: YSoSerious! on April 19, 2012, 06:00:46 AM
Not my problem if someone can't find a babysitter for their little one. Heck, my momma never left me with a babysitter.
It is sad to say but it is a different world than what we grew up in.
With single parent families and having to work for a living. And I mustsay I am proud of those single parents that do hold down a job to support their children, sometimde it is a pretty tuff thing to do. They have gumption.
Even with two parents households frequently need two incomes, such is todays world.
I have always been fortunate to have had jobs that paid well enough that my first wife did not have to work and could stay home for and with the kids. And my present wife did not have to work, And I thank the Lord for that.
But even i had to use daycare one time for a couple of months, while my wife was in intensive care for 30 days and through her recovery time, so I could continue working.
Yes, I count my blessings and I also understand the need and necessity for daycare.
It would be nice to go back to the fifties life style, but not hardly possible.
And we pray not to go back to the depression days, right?
Really the world is different nowadays?!? They way I read it on here, I wouldn't have guessed that.
Quote from: YSoSerious! on April 19, 2012, 09:18:03 AM
Really the world is different nowadays?!? They way I read it on here, I wouldn't have guessed that.
Yea, back in the fifties most people and a lot of politicians could be trusted at least a little bit. Not so today.
And a lot of other people play games as well.
Today, it is sometimes very difficult to come by the truth.
You seem to have an attidue for someone just coming onbooard this forum with all of 5 posts.
So what is your game?
What is your interest in
Elk Konnected, LLC?Are you Konnected?
How about letting us know why you sound so vindictive, do you have a grudge?
Howw many alias's have you used on this forum?
What's going on for you here?
You sound distinctly familiar with each post you make, and not exactly what I would expect.
Endulge me, please?
I do believe most people can figure this out for themselves, just by reading you five post.
Nice try but, this thread is not in the least about vindictiveness as you might want people to believe.
Nope, I am not Konnected nor do I have any other alias's on this or any other forum.
Ross, why must I be playing a game to be posting on this thread and what makes you think I have some sort of grudge? How many posts must I have before I can have an attitude? Five isn't enough? Dang!
And what do you mean by "What's going on for you here?" I can't have a mere interest in this thread and the freedom to respond how I choose? And as far as sounding "familiar", you sir have no familiarity with me what so ever.
Quote from: YSoSerious! on April 19, 2012, 09:36:14 PM
Nope, I am not Konnected nor do I have any other alias's on this or any other forum.
Ross, why must I be playing a game to be posting on this thread and what makes you think I have some sort of grudge? How many posts must I have before I can have an attitude? Five isn't enough? Dang!
And what do you mean by "What's going on for you here?" I can't have a mere interest in this thread and the freedom to respond how I choose? And as far as sounding "familiar", you sir have no familiarity with me what so ever.
Well sir (or Madam) you sounded real vindictive and it just hit a cord with me.
You sounded more vindictive then a Follower does, towards the idea of people asking questions about what is happening in this county.
This right here is just plain vindictive in my opinion:
Quote from: YSoSerious! on April 18, 2012, 08:59:22 PM
I say to heck with anything for the kids of this area! I didn't have soccer when I was a wee youngster and I turned out just fine. Parks and swimming pools, now that's some "hogwash". Kids don't need those either. They need to be working and paying there own way. I say we implement internship and our kids go directly from primary school to endentured slavery to pay for their way in life. Give them a bed and food and they work it off in your fields, gas stations, stores, and use a shovel and fix the county roads. They learn a skill and become productive :P citizens, and we don't have to worry about our tax money being used frivolously. :P
And vindictiveness is not what this thread is about. So now perhaps you can understand where I was coming from.
Yes, I happened to believe you may be Mr. Durbin because of the following quote:
Quote from: ddurbin on April 18, 2012, 11:39:31 AM
Ross,
I will respond, but it may be the last time I do.
For the FOURTH time, I will repeat myself and tell you again--I am not a member of, nor a FOLLOWER of Elk Konnected, LLC. You and a couple of others have tagged me as such, simply because I questioned the basis for some of your attacks on them.
So, I expected he would possibly come back with a new identity. I sure hope that this makes it clear where I was coming from.
Do you see the vindictiveness, he said, "simply because I questioned the basis for some of your
attacks on them."
Questions are hardly
attacks,
dissimination of facts is hardly
attacks.
Questioning facts that are twisted is hardly
attacks.I believe that being vindictive on either side is wrong.
As pointed out by Farwin I am not terribly well versed in sarcasm. I do enjoy sarcasm in a fun and simple way, but still I'm not very good at it.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong and it would not be the first time, and most likely won't be the last time.
From what I have learned there is money in the county taxpayers coffers placed there by the state for use as a recreation fund, which has been available to the real and actual communities for their individual use for a long time. And in more recent years it has been given to a privately owned company by their representatives/cheerleaders/Founding member acting as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, for their own use to advertise their presence in the county and possibly to pay their dues to another privately owned company in Wchita county. I do not for one minute believe that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners would allow any company other then
Elk Konnected, LLC to use County Recreation funds in such a manner. It in my opinion the County Commissioners acting as Konnected Kommissioners are allowing a privately owned company to steal money for an imaginary Kommunity from actual and real Communities. Elk Konnected, LLC only does what they do with
LOLLIPOPS to advertise by putting up signs advertising themselves and for the purpose of making headlines in the the newspaper, that also claims affiliation with this small group of people.
This totally lacks any ethics in my opinion.
And the
Elk Konnected, LLC Kounty Kommissioner,
just had it published again in this weeks newspaper that she is the Founding member. Just by that fact alone, she should by any form of ethics and principles and leadership skills, should do the honorable thing and recuse herself from voting on any and all items brought before the County Commissioners on behalf
Elk Konnected, LLC . And that is whether the item is brought by another member of
Elk Konnected, LLC or a Konnected Kounty employee that is on
Elk Konnected, LLC steering committee, or ECCEF who
Elk Konnected, LLC has said is recieving funds from. Those funds she said are generated as tax deductible donations earmarked for
Elk Konnected, LLC that in my opinion puts them in bed with each other.
You see YSoSerious!, nothing vindictive on my part!
And Y So Serious, I believe, these actions are a breech of public trust. The trust that is necessary to run an honest County government, and not to waste county resources and short cut the farmers that live on gravel roads, so they have to tolerate really bad roads, that's Y So Serious. Why should the majority of citizens have to pay for a small group of peoples half baked ideas just because that small group want's to think with big city ideas that do not work out here in the country. And I say country with pride. I lived in the city far too long, but that was where I made my living, at way above an average income.
What will these people, that desire to operate like a big city,
want next?
Perhaps stop lights in each community and a system on the sheriffs and fire departments trucks to control those stop lights?
And what happened to the idea of the big electronic highway sign for advertising along the highway through Howard, they have those in the big city, right? Really makes since in the country? Oh, perhaps that is why we don't see one.
Where will it end?
I'm not being sarcastic, seriously where will their desires end?
Quote from: Ross on April 20, 2012, 05:37:09 AM
From what I have learned there is money in the county taxpayers coffers placed there by the state for use as a recreation fund, which has been available to the real and actual communities for their individual use for a long time.
Ross, the money that is placed in the county government (taxpayers) coffers by the state is money that was collected as a tax by the businesses in each county that sell the alcoholic beverage. This is NOT money given to the county by state. This is money from the purchasers of the alcohol that is sent into the state, handled by the state and returned then to the counties per a formula based on state law.
The reason I bring this up is because from reading your post, you make it sound like the state is giving the county money for the recreation fund which in fact, all the state is doing is handling the collection and the distribution of the money spent by the people who purchase alcohol. This can be found in the Kansas Statutes starting with K.S.A. 1995 Supp. 79-41a02; 79-41a04.
In an attorney general's opinion, 96-47, I respectfully submit what Attorney General Carla Stovall opined about how a county may use this money.
The local alcoholic liquor fund is financed through a 10% tax on alcoholic drinks sold in private clubs. K.S.A. 1995 Supp. 79-41a02. Revenues are placed in the fund by the state treasurer and are allocated to each city and/or county on the basis of how many clubs contributed to the fund within that particular governmental unit. K.S.A. 1995 Supp. 79-41a04(b). One-third of the money received is earmarked for a special parks and recreation fund. As this situation involves a county's portion of the liquor fund, K.S.A. 1995 Supp. 79-41a04(e) is applicable, which declares that such money may be "expended only for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities." Such funds are under the direction and control of the board of county commissioners. K.S.A. 1995 Supp. 79-41a04(e).
The 10% tax imposed on clubs and drinking establishments was enacted in 1979 and included provisions addressing the use of such funds, however, there is no legislative history that illuminates the legislative intent for requiring the funds placed in city and county coffers be used only for the purposes previously mentioned. In light of the fact that the statute places control of the funds in the hands of the county commissioners, it is our opinion that the county may only use the funds for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities. However, this does not preclude a county from allocating such funds to a city's parks and recreation department provided that the monies are used by the department for the purposes indicated in the statute.
This opinion was written by an assistant attorney general named Mary Feighny.
Just wanted to make it clear that this is not state money.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on April 20, 2012, 08:16:36 PM
... However, this does not preclude a county from allocating such funds to a city's parks and recreation department provided that the monies are used by the department for the purposes indicated in the statute.
Personally, I think the above quote illustrates exactly what should be done in our case instead of paying part of the wages for a 'youth coordinator' and renting carnival rides for various fairs billed as Elk Konnected events. Give it proportionally to the various cities. They can perhaps best determine their local park & recreation needs. Of course, that means county leaders would have to be mature enough to give up some control.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on April 20, 2012, 08:16:36 PM
Ross, the money that is placed in the county government (taxpayers) coffers by the state is money that was collected as a tax by the businesses in each county that sell the alcoholic beverage. This is NOT money given to the county by state. This is money from the purchasers of the alcohol that is sent into the state, handled by the state and returned then to the counties per a formula based on state law.
Thanks Janet. I did phrase that poorly.
I'm Pooped and off to bed Goodnight All.
Looks to me like the statute ought to be repealed. It's not the job of the State to capture money for others'
projects, no matter how desirable their good works appear to be. The government should not be the source
for charity or good works including the charity or assistance to business.
Redcliffsw,
Could the words morally bankrupt with greed and power possibly apply here, to the entire thread?
I wonder?
It could be considered a sinful thing by many, many christian's couldn't it?
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 21, 2012, 05:48:35 AM
Looks to me like the statute ought to be repealed. It's not the job of the State to capture money for others'
projects, no matter how desirable their good works appear to be. The government should not be the source
for charity or good works including the charity or assistance to business.
Careful, Red...The same could be said of subsidies...You are edging closer to the sacred cow than you should. You're liable to get a tongue-lashing if you start saying that peoples' freebies should be taken away! lol
Quote from: Catwoman on April 21, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Careful, Red...The same could be said of subsidies...You are edging closer to the sacred cow than you should. You're liable to get a tongue-lashing if you start saying that peoples' freebies should be taken away! lol
Red is 100% correct.
They should be removed. Back when I was a kid my dad became disabled and no income. Welfare tried to get my mother signed up. She refused. She stood on her own two feet. And all us kids helped out. My mother earned a dollar an hour and we survived on depression type foods. we raised rabbits and chickens in the back yard for eating and grew a garden. We new we were poor, but we were independent and rich in so many other ways for it.
Subsides are nothing more then welfare with a fancy name. And usually it appears to me that it is the wealthy that recieve subsidies. Which imakes it welfare for the wealthy.
They are cutting all of it in other countries through austerity, and some of it is happining here. They just aren't calling it austerity "yet".
I call them
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
Do you get subsidies?
Quote from: Ross on April 21, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
Red is 100% correct.
They should be removed. Back when I was a kid my dad became disabled and no income. Welfare tried to get my mother signed up. She refused. She stood on her own two feet. And all us kids helped out. My mother earned a dollar an hour and we survived on depression type foods. we raised rabbits and chickens in the back yard for eating and grew a garden. We new we were poor, but we were independent and rich in so many other ways for it.
Subsides are nothing more then welfare with a fancy name. And usually it appears to me that it is the wealthy that recieve subsidies. Which imakes it welfare for the wealthy.
They are cutting all of it in other countries through austerity, and some of it is happining here. They just aren't calling it austerity "yet".
I call them "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
Do you get subsidies?
LOL Oh...I wish I did. I have gone online and seen the amount paid out to individuals in subsidies...That would go a heck of a long way to paying off my student loans that I had to take out. I am STILL paying back student loans, even at my age. The only thing that is State-related in my paycheck is the fact that my wages come from the School District, which gets part of its funding from the State, paid in part from taxes (meaning ME, too). I get a very small stipend to buy things for my classroom at the beginning of each year. However, it is not nearly enough to provide everything that my students need for a fully developed education, so I pay out between 1500 and 2000 per year, out of my own pocket, to make sure that my children are getting every advantage that I can provide. I beg no one for the funds to do this...I provide it on my own. So...To answer your question fully and directly...NO. I am a public school teacher, which means that I am a State employee, just like the county road workers. I get no subsidies. And, for once...I agree with you, Mr. Ross. Red is 100 percent correct.
I too do lots of things for other people.
At my own expense.
I have bought meals for children at school activites mine and others that are not mine
because they were hungry.
I have provided meat from my cow I had butchered to a couple of people that
otherwie would not have meat on their tables.
I have performed work for others with my tractor, that they could not afford to hire someone.
I even paid for the diesel.
Therefore to Commissioner Liebau, I volunteer considerbly and I don't feel I need to volunteer for your
Elk Konncted, LLC so your organization can benefit from it. And that is not being vile. And I am sure plenty of other people in Elk County volunteer in many other ways without an organization to tell them when and how.
And they do it without bragging in the newspaper.
Back to the subsidies. That in my opinion is exactly what the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are trying to set up in our county government subsidies and welfare by other names. I.E. economic development, property tax rebates for someone who spends $20,000 or more on property, entraprenurial prograams, still called welfare and "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs in my books. And they would probably be used by the wealthies people in the county, people that don't need it.
Back to the student loan stuff, I was recently reading something about someone trying to fix it where older people don't have to finish paying them off. Now, I don't know if that applied to governent loans, but I'd bet it did. I wish I would have kept that story for you. Sorry I didn't.
I appreciate that, Ross...But I probably would have gone ahead and repaid them, sans the deleting of part or all of them. I believe in repaying my debts. I was lucky to get the loans. Lucky to get to go to college when I did. Nowadays, kids are expected to be in the top third of their class or get above a 21 (or is it a 22) on their tests. So many kids will be cut out of the ability to go...And the chasm between the haves and have-nots will be made even greater. The ability to go to college used to be hard for the middle to lower middle class...It's fast becoming almost impossible now. The people who find a way to get out of repaying their debts just make it harder for the people who come after them to get the help.
Get a freaking job and pay your own freaking way!!
It is a sorry day when the loudest voices in EK sound like the Anarchists who wish for no government at all. Just a note, none of those voices are Elk County born and raised. Let's see if any of them can get elected. Besides, they don't mention that they receive those beggar thy neighbor checks themselves.
Sons of Elk
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
It is a sorry day when the loudest voices in EK sound like the Anarchists who wish for no government at all. Just a note, none of those voices are Elk County born and raised. Let's see if any of them can get elected. Besides, they don't mention that they receive those beggar thy neighbor checks themselves.
Sons of Elk
Hey genuis, care to back up those claims or are you just spouting off your freakin blowhole to hear your own voice? They may not be born and raised here, so what? Most of the population of this county wasn't born and raised here. What beggar thy neighbor checks to you refer to and wheres your proof?
Quote from: Catwoman on April 21, 2012, 03:36:10 PM
Careful, Red...The same could be said of subsidies...You are edging closer to the sacred cow than you should. You're liable to get a tongue-lashing if you start saying that peoples' freebies should be taken away! lol
Ma'am, thanks for the warning, however I ain't changing. But you ought to strongly consider it.
There are people sucking up tax money and your liberty. Comprende ?
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
It is a sorry day when the loudest voices in EK sound like the Anarchists who wish for no government at all.
Does that "EK" you are referring to mean Elk Konnected or is it Elk County, Kansas.
I assume the latter, because I don't know where "Elk Konnected, Kansas is located on the map, I just can't find it.
No sir, I was not born and raised in Elk County. However, I was born right here in Kansas in the "EK" you use. But none of that matters as far as taxpayer dollars and County Government, now does it? I will be repeating this in hopes that you may comprehend and understand.
I am an American citizen, that has served my country as a ten year VietNam veteran.
And, I learned in school that what town, county, or state a person is born in has nothing what so ever to do with local government.
I live in this county, I pay taxes in this county, I have a right to vote in this county just the same as a person born in this county.
And I am equally entitled to have an opinion.
How come you don't narrow down exactly to where you were born, was it in Howard?
Maybe, even narrow it down to which street you were born on?
Take it even further, narrow it down to the House number?
Was it the upstairs bedroom or the downstairs bedroom?
Being Elk County born has nothing at all to do with taxing people and how those taxes are used, now does it? My taxes are my dues.
Now, that is a real radically dumb idea that being born in Elk County has anything to do with taxes or county Government!
Repeat, Being Elk County born has nothing at all to do with how government is run, unless you are refereeing to the good old boys club, newly re-organized as
Elk Konnected, LLC by our Kounty Kommissioner, is that it?
You call us the loudest voices, that is really stretching the truth considerably. The side of the fence for the truth is far outnumbered by
followers, and in my opinion the
followers twist everything so badly that what they say comes out as lies.
The truth, For example: I have never said we should not have government, But I would suggest, we need a truthful government, not an Elk Konnected Kounty Government.
Can you comprehend the truth in that statement?
We could use a lot of the same in the Federal Government, honest that is, right?
Can't you understand and comprehend anything at all? My retirement checks are earned through and paying hard earned money into retirement systems (not just one system) since the age of eleven, therefore they are not
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs. Please re-read until you comprehend, please.
It should be easy to understand if you have at least went to school and passed the 6th grade.
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
Just a note, none of those voices are Elk County born and raised. Let's see if any of them can get elected.
Being elected is not a requirement of being a concerned citizen and asking questions of
our government.
And as of the moment not illegal.
However, in the near future it may become a crime to question our federal government, with the way Homeland Security is heading anything is possible. Especially, because of people with your attitude about government business. I find your attitude about being born and raised in Elk County as having anything to do with government almost bordering on a communistic attitude.
But hey, let me take you to an
Elk Konnected, LLC's idea, turned into our County Commissioners about government, and how that would do away with the community's of Elk County's City Government's.? Here where the actual loudest voices in Elk County sound like the
Anarchists and don't want government. The one that uses newspapers and monthly magazine's to spread, what I call their propaganda, even taking their propaganda directly to the County Commissioners "er" the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the exception of one County Commissioner. Read the following quote carefully, please. Then tell me who sounds like Anarchists, please, please?
Here we go:Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Being Elk County born has nothing to do with how government is run, usless you are referreing to the good old boys club, newly re-organized as
Elk Konnected, LLC by our Kounty Kommissioner, is that it?
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
Besides, they don't mention that they receive those beggar thy neighbor checks themselves.
Remember we just had this discussion in the Coffee Shop?
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:21:57 AM
Elk Konnected and the Volunteers keep up the good work. Patriot, Ross, and Redcliffsw all get their check from the government each month. But if others do it is beggar thy neighbor. They are radicals and should be grouped with the Unibomber Manifesto and the radical left Anarchists. I bet none of them get elected to the County Commission.
Sons of Elk
Quote from: Ross on April 22, 2012, 06:35:58 AM
Another newbie so soon. Sounds like Followers are just getting new monikers so they can respond as new people.
Otherwise, Where have you been for the last year?
Haven't you heard form the other Followers, people are fleeing this forum?
Oh and by they Sons of Elk you may call me a radical, because I am a radical.
I am a radical when it it comes to the truth.
It would behoove some of the Followers and so called leaders to be radicals for the truth.
Don't you think?
Oh and by the way Sons of Elk you may call me a radical, because I am a
radical.
I am a
radical when it it comes to the truth.
It would behoove some of the Followers and so called leaders to be radicals for the truth. Don't you think?
Can't you understand and comprehend anything at all?
My retirement checks are earned through hard work and paying hard earned money into retirement systems (not just one system) since the age of eleven.
And Therefore, do not qualify as "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs.
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" refers to unearned tax payer dollars distributed as handouts.
These are mostly given
to those that have more money then they know what to do with
and the very same people that make up these programs
to administer to themselves. IMO.
Please re-read until you comprehend, please?
It should be easy to understand
if you have attended school to at least
and passed the 6th grade.
Quote from: Sons of Elk County on April 22, 2012, 01:38:55 AM
Sons of Elk
You must really be the son's of a four legged Elk, however, I don't believe a four legged Elk would believe anything you put in your post. So, I believe you are terribly confused, or you just enjoy twisting words, which is it? I just could not resist that son of an Elk thing, very funny.
I apoogize for that, but it is funny.
Would you look at that yet another person signing on to the forum early this morning.
How about that, yea the numbers keep growing, contrary to what the Elk Konnected, LLC Followers would have us believe.
I'm hoping they will have some information to add to this thread.
After all the more input the better, for everyone.
For instance is Elk Konnected, LLC really planning to start a centralized daycare institution with a flower garden, and be in direct competition, with all the ladies that have shown interest in starting in-home daycare. You know, the ladies that are being assisted by the Childcare Aware Organization out of Pittsburg, KS. I'd prefer my child in an in-home daycare rather then a centralized, institutional or organizational daycare anytime. Especially since the family in-home daycare would most likely be in my neighborhood and would save tons of money on gasoline, traveling to a centrally located system and back again.
Oh, by the way the Childcare Aware Organization had started talks with our local extension office back in January about in home daycare and planned their meeting well in advance of Elk Konnected, LLC's Daycare Kommunity Konversation?
If, I have stated that incorrectly someone straighten me out please?
In the mean time, I have to ass/u/me that Elk Konnected's Visionaries, if they exist came to the conclusion, that if they held their Daycare Kommunity Konversation first, just days before the one at the extension office, that everyone would thnk it was an original idea of Elk Konnected, LLC's . Nice try, Visionaries, whoever or whatever that means, sorry but it does not fly. Mimicing is only flattery not an original idea. If I'm wrong let's talk about it, okay?
If Elk Konnected, LLC's after appointing a steering committe to do whatever the steering committee does decides to start a centralized, institutional or organizational daycare will it fail because of competition from in-home family daycare. Will it goe the way of the Elk Konnected, LLC's Wellness Center?
Should, Elk County Government, you the taxpayer, if asked by Elk Konnected, LLC or ECCEF for help to finance a centralized daycare, that would be in direct competition with family's in real and actual communities?
Personally, I'm in the corner of the individuls that would start daycare in their individual communities. Where I believe the children would get individual care by people who live in their community and know the childs family intimately. I wish each and every one of those ladies the best in their endeavors.
Something to think about, huh?
No rebuttal on the previous post, therefore, I guess I can assume that the Followers can not find fault with my post, right?
Well let's try this I started a new thread called WASTE AND BEGGAR-THY-NEIGHBOR ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL
And I asked the following:
Do we want this kind of waste of taxpayers dollars in Elk County?
Do we want some small group of people controlling and wasting money as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners providing funds to their own organization as "Beggar-They-Neighbor" funds from programs like, Property Tax Breaks for a few, or so called Economic Development programs that do absolutely nothing for county growth of the population, or their newst idea for Entrepreneur programs? All in my opinion just to steal from the taxpayers.
The Federal and State have plenty of Economic and Entrepreneurial programs people can get free money from, why does Elk County need to further subsidise those, "Beggar-They-Neighbor" Programs? Can't these people that want them qualify under those programs? If not why do they think we should finance them?
But back to the "Beggar-They-Neighbor" waste in Federal Government and the wealthy that pay no taxes and still benefit from living in our country, I find it all VERY un-patriotic.
Infographic: How Your Tax Dollars Are Spent:
Go here:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/infographic-how-your-tax-dollars-are-spent/
And you can find it at:
Topic: WASTE AND BEGGAR-THY-NEIGHBOR ON THE NATIONAL LEVEL
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13576.0.html
It's my personal opinion that
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are simply
exploiting the children of Elk County to further their agenda, whatever that maybe.
You don't see them spending time and money volunteering to make the lives of the elderly at the nursing home better, by handing out lollipops there, do you?
You don't see them handingout lollipops to the aged and homebound, do you?
You don't see them volunteering to handout lollipops in the form of food to the poor, do you?
It seems to me everything is about children, right?
Simply
Exploitation of children in my books.
Afterall, we have real/actual communities and if they could recieve the money squandered on
Elk Konnected, LLC perhaps those communities could do for their own children. Perhaps somethig more pemanent, like an extra slipper slide or swing set for their community park. Just whatever, that community deemed best for their children.
Now it appears that this so called community organization, which is really a privately owned company, might be trying to start a centralized daycare center
(see children again) to make money off of them children and in competition with what might be as many as eight women or more that might start in-home daycare. Go figure.
I guess those women could then go to work for
Elk Konnected, LLC at minimum wage, do you suppose?
Can anyone tell us what the going rate of daycare is here in Elk County?All that is really something to be proud of I suppose? But since we can't indulge this so called Community Organization, to remain in an open and honest dialog with the real community and the fact that they only use publications which provide one way communications, or so called Kommunity Kommuity Konversations where they will have the sheriff throw you out if you question their agenda, remember it is their business meeting and they can do that, right? I guess we will never know the truth. Especially, since they became an LLC and are not required to open their books showing how much money they have actually recieved and how much they have spent and how much might be pocketed. Again we will never know, will we?
But we do know they are required by a Kounty Kommissioners
Employer to pay his organization thousands in membership fees, recieved from Elk County and the School Districts tax coffers to remain a member of his business, Public Squares Communnities, LLC . It's a requirement listed on Public Squares Communnities, LLC web site. At least that is the way I read it. You too can go there and read it.
Political correctness (or "re-education") happened,
Lack of God's name happened,
Lack of personal responsibility happened,
Lack of personal integrity and honesty happened,
Lack of respect and loyalty to our country happened,
Lack of being an American happened.
Did all of these things die along with common sense??
It's my personal opinion that
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are simply
exploiting the children of Elk County to further their agenda, whatever that maybe.
You don't see them spending time and money volunteering to make the lives of the elderly at the nursing home better, by handing out lollipops there, do you?
You don't see them handingout lollipops to the aged and homebound, do you?
You don't see them volunteering to handout lollipops in the form of food to the poor, do you?
It seems to me everything is about children, right?
Simply
Exploitation of children in my books.
Afterall, we have real/actual communities and if they could recieve the money squandered on
Elk Konnected, LLC perhaps those communities could do for their own children. Perhaps somethig more pemanent, like an extra slipper slide or swing set for their community park. Just whatever, that community deemed best for their children.
Now it appears that this so called community organization, which is really a privately owned company, might be trying to start a centralized daycare center
(see children again) to make money off of them children and in competition with what might be as many as eight women or more that might start in-home daycare. Go figure.
I guess those women could then go to work for
Elk Konnected, LLC at minimum wage, do you suppose?
Can anyone tell us what the going rate of daycare is here in Elk County?All that is really something to be proud of I suppose? But since we can't indulge this so called Community Organization, to remain in an open and honest dialog with the real community and the fact that they only use publications which provide one way communications, or so called Kommunity Kommuity Konversations where they will have the sheriff throw you out if you question their agenda, remember it is their business meeting and they can do that, right? I guess we will never know the truth. Especially, since they became an LLC and are not required to open their books showing how much money they have actually recieved and how much they have spent and how much might be pocketed. Again we will never know, will we?
But we do know they are required by a Kounty Kommissioners
Employer to pay his organization thousands in membership fees, recieved from Elk County and the School Districts tax coffers to remain a member of his business, Public Squares Communnities, LLC . It's a requirement listed on Public Squares Communnities, LLC web site. At least that is the way I read it. You too can go there and read it.
Political correctness (or "re-education") happened,
Lack of God's name happened,
Lack of personal responsibility happened,
Lack of personal integrity and honesty happened,
Lack of respect and loyalty to our country happened,
Lack of being an American happened.
Did all of these things die along with common sense??
This may be off subject but I thought Elk county was getting warmer. Might not be that hot air coming from the east coast after all :D
Wind farms are warming the earth, researchers say
By Eric Niiler
Published April 30, 2012
Discovery News
Research shows these wind farms raise nighttime temperatures.
New research finds that wind farms actually warm up the surface of the land underneath them during the night, a phenomena that could put a damper on efforts to expand wind energy as a green energy solution.
Researchers used satellite data from 2003 to 2011 to examine surface temperatures across as wide swath of west Texas, which has built four of the world's largest wind farms. The data showed a direct correlation between night-time temperatures increases of 0.72 degrees C (1.3 degrees F) and the placement of the farms.
"Given the present installed capacity and the projected growth in installation of wind farms across the world, I feel that wind farms, if spatially large enough, might have noticeable impacts on local to regional meteorology," Liming Zhou, associate professor at the State University of New York, Albany and author of the paper published April 29 in Nature Climate Change said in an e-mail to Discovery News.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2012/04/30/wind-farms-are-warming-earth-researchers-say/#ixzz1tXxOebHb
But it's free renewable energy, which makes it okay, right?
Free, if you don't take into account taxpayers dollars paying for them?
And if you don't tkae into account the profits/money being exported out of the US of A.
And free if you don't take into consideration the effects of their spinning blades, right?
Ya, just can't mess with mother nature without some kind of adverse effests, can ya?
Just like ya shouldn't mess with voters.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 01, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
Wilma, I can't think of anything worse for Elk County than to have Ross or Patriot as a Commissioner. If we had had Ross and or Patriot as Commissioners we wouldn't have to worry about what to do with the Windfarm Monies, because there wouldn't be any.
First and foremost, I would have done a lot more studying on the P.I.L.O.T. then those that are Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and have personal connections to the land leases associated with the wind farm. Perhaps Elk County would be getting the same $3 million a year that Enid, Oklahoma is getting from the same company building the same size windfarm there. Also, I would not have used my position as County Commissioner and been the founding member of my own organization which has attempted to influence the spending of the windfarm monies.
You say, if I were County Commissioner there would be no money left, well let me ask you, can you show one post, where I have advocated the spending of one dollar?
I did suggest that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners wait until after the elections in November before spending the money.
I also suggested that the money could draw some good interest. But, no I have never advocated spending a penny or a nickel or a dime of that money, let alone a dollar of it.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 01, 2012, 03:11:56 PM
Think about it their two main supporters do not live in Elk County, don't own property in Elk County, don't pay taxes in Elk County.
I have no supporters, not even suspenders.
So, I have no idea what you are referring to, would you please clarify.
Have you had a chance to read this weeks newspaper? The Howard Chamber said in their recent meeting that they have accepted Jennifer Montgomery as a new and a member at large. Well, guess what our County Employee is also on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering committee and was hired by and at the suggestion of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. Is it possible to figure out what is going on here?
It was several month's ago I believe, I posted, that I read in the newspaper that the seed of getting their hands on the P.I.L.O.T. was planted, at a Howard Chamber of Commerce meeting and I was reassured that it wasn't. But whoa, what is this, following the seeding?
The newspaper continues to say that the Howard Chamber of Commerce suggested, submitting a letter to the County, on how they would like to spend a portion of the P.I.L.O.T money. And guess what, their was no mention of emergency equipment, which being discussed on another thread.
How many Elk Konnected, LLC's members or non-members or Followers or whatever they call themselves, are on the Howard Chamber of Commerce now?
What's wrong with Howard's City Council?
Isn't that the governing body's job, to take care of the city's infrastructure and such?
Or is government suppose to be just ignored?
Or is Howard's City Council going to ask for money too?
What about all the less fortunate communities, yea, what about them?
Those that actually needs help the most?
Don't the other communities have Elk Konnected, LLC members or non-members or Followers or whatever they call themselves?
Whatever happened to Elk Konnected, LLC's Big Idea of saving the first million?
I guess we can now count that as another of Elk Konnected, LLC's failures?
How many failures is that now?
I've lost track, can someone help me with this one?
But moving back to this week's newspaper there is an Editorial titled, "Loyalty to Like-Minds is a Scary Suggestion", which I enjoyed reading. It has to do with state senators and representatives and a loyalty oath. It referred to Saddam Hussein and Fidel Castro applauding such one sided thinking. It also stated, "Kansans of all political persuasions should be wary of anyone trying to do their thinking, select their leaders or try to direct the votes of elected representatives. To me, it appears this is the very same thing that is happening right here at home in Elk County via Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. We can not get a definite line drawn in the sand between Elk Konnected, LLC and our Elected County Commissioners. That is two out of three of them, anyway. And I think it is even further complicated, by have the employee Elk Konnected, LLC suggested that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's hire is on the Elk Konnected, LLC's Steering Committee and comes before them asking for money for Elk Konnected, LLC, if I am wrong would someone please correct me?
Shouldn't our elected Officials perform the honorable and ethical action of reclusion, when any member of their organization or related organization, comes before them in need of a vote, since the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have two out of three votes, and can approve anything their organizations asks for?
Can our elected officials really act in the best interest of everyone in the county as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
And as our Newspaper editor told me, he to is affiliated or associated with Elk Konnected, LLC, I think he would do well to read his own editorial and apply it to the present local Elk County situation.
I'm not asking anyone out there to believe anything, I post on this thread, that being the most important statement on this post. I would suggest that you think for yourself, don't listen to me or all the heckling from the followers. I am simply an insignificant redneck hick enjoying retirement. But in November, I hope, I am as equally important as you are, when it comes to voting my ballot, for new County Commissioners. If they can't hear us now, perhaps they will then.
Thanks to each of you for reading this gibberish.
QuoteCan our elected officials really act in the best interest of everyone in the county as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
That would be a resounding NO!
As long as one or two of the commissioners are founders/members/ supporters of Elk Konnected, or otherwise else affiliated with Elk Konnected, then there is a conflict of interest in
any facet of Elk Konnected's desires.
This includes the person Jennifer?) that acts on behalf of the Youth, with a backing from Elk Konnected. Unfortunetly I believe she is just a pawn in the game.
I am MORE concerned, in keeping with this topic of the inappropriate actions of the Commissioners. If what is on here is true, then there needs to be an investigation by the Kansas Commisioners Ethics board, and I do believe it was mentioned on this thread.
I am more concerned that taxpayer's dollars are not spent in an appropriate way to maintain the infrastructure of the county, and has seemed to more focus on the 'fluffy' projects that appear to look good.
The big picture may include a Bowling Alley for Kids, an Olympic Pool, etc....however that is in the future. Elk County need to realize the roads, the bridges, the sewers, et need to be at par before the other comes in to play.
Two things come to mind (Lawd, I am now typing as much as Diane! :P):
1. You received money as an inheritance, and the first thing you do NOT want to do is buy a 60" flat screen TV for your kids.
You pay the rent/mortgage/bills/food, etc first. Then, perhaps you may buy a dress. (fill in appropriate clothing needed....I threw my pantyhose and dresses in the garbage when I left the Corporate world)
2. When you have a meal to plentish your body....you first have to harvest what you have planted, cooked, prepared before you have dessert. (A nutrtional tips there, and there is a reason both nutriotionally as well as psychologically)
Who is deciding the fate of Elk County? It should be the people that pay the taxes based on their votes of the Comissioners and other elected officials.
Unfortunately, some say things to get what we want? WWYDWTM? (What Would You Do With The Money?)
Ready to duck....because I just ran in my fingers/mouth to the bone.
QuoteAs long as one or two of the commissioners are founders/members/ supporters of Elk Konnected, or otherwise else affiliated with Elk Konnected, then there is a conflict of interest in any facet of Elk Konnected's desires.
I emphaize AFFILATED, Ross. No need to redirect me to previous posts! :D
Quote from: readyaimduck on May 02, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
I emphaize AFFILATED, Ross. No need to redirect me to previous posts! :D
You tickled me, I chuckled.
Now it's time to prepare to get some sleep.
Goodnight All.
I am proud to report, my son brought home an application from school for what is called
Elk County/ Lawrence Art Center /Summer Camp which is being Sponsored and (probably instigated) by the WindFarm.
This I believe is an actual and positive, youth development event.
The children 7th through 12th grade will be staying on campus at the University of Kansas. Which most likely is an experience in and of itself.
Transportation will be provided by the Elk Valley School District which is located in Longton, Kansas.
I believe this activity really would qualify more as Child Development, unlike the local Summer Day Camp, which appears to be more of a daycare or baby sitting event, with cheap toys used for entertaining children.
This apparently happened last year, however, my child did not bring home the application last year. The sad thing is only 30 children get to participate.
And it's on a first come/first serve basis.
I would like to know, WHO made this decision, and WHY?
It leaves open the door for the suggestion of more favoritism, cronyism and the such.
What if, 60 applications are received at the very same time delivered by the mail carrier.
Who, then chooses who goes?
Well, my bet is those thirty or the majority will be West Elk Students and perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC Children. Because, they are right there in Howard, where they have the advantage of getting their applications in first, to the court house and may even have early insider information, and possible early access to the applications, especially since our Youth Development Employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee Member. I hope you can see that the Elk Konnected Children have an even better advantage because of being Konnected.
What, I believe would be fair would be a public drawing of names from a hat at a County Commissioner Meeting with a member of the audience drawing the names.
Also, children that have already attended the camp should be disallowed to enter,
thus providing all of Elk County children an equal opportunity to win one of the thirty position of going to this limited County Supported, Summer Camp.
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I don't like putting a damper on a good thing and really I'm not, what I am suggesting is that ALL County Children should be treated equally.
Remember, we have Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee and Konnected West Elk School Board President and possibly a few other Konnected good old boy & girls, right? To me they haven't shown that they can be trusted, so I believe the only fair thing for all the county's children would be a\the suggested drawing presented at a County Commissioners meeting with an audience member drawing the names. Fair is fair, right folks. Let's see if fairness can happen in Elk County?
And what about the disadvantaged children, who's parent's may not be able to afford the $10 dollar transportation fee? Couldn't the Konnected Youth Development Employee ask the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to provide that funding from the County's Recreation Fund? Giving the disadvantage children an equal opportunity. Instead of providing those funds to Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Just where is the FAIRNESS in the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs for All the CHILDREN OF Elk COUNTY ?
Perhaps: Food for thought.
This is an election year and your vote will be very important, at least on the local level.
You can make a big difference.
NO, I am not going to be running for County Commissioner.
Equally?? The government has never been an equalizer and never will be. That's civil rights type language. Think liberty!
Also, in the newspaper of May 2, 2012 were the following activities for improving the quality of life in Elk County:
Elk County Cleanup Day set for May 12
Rodeo Association to hold Play Day in Moline May 12
Cleanup Week continues in Longton.
These appear to me to be pretty good things for Elk County.
But, I didn't see a thing where Elk Konnected, LLC is volunteering to help with these quality of life items in Elk County, Did you?
Elk Konnected, LLC on their web site does make reference to improving the quality of life in Elk County, right?
Did you see something I missed in the paper that Elk Konnected, LLC is involved?
I wonder what this weeks paper will reveal?
I believe there will be other events this summer put on by different communities with in Elk County, will Elk Konnected, LLC once again horn in on those activities, like they did last year?
Or will the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners make recreation money available to those communities to support their own festivals?
That is, instead of giving County Funds over to the privately owned company, to use to advertise themselves at those community activities?
Hi Everyone,
I hope everyone had a great weekend. I enjoyed the weekend even shoveling gravel that had washed out of my cousins driveway.
I've been pretty busy preparing for my haying season and besides nothing has been happening with Elk Konnected, LLC in the newspaper.
I got back to work on my own stuff (tractor broke, sickle mower broke) on this beautiful day. Anyway while visiting with a friend, I was told the big tourist trail ride from Busby past the artesian well to the wind farm has been put on put on the back burner, put on hold, etc. They said the something about it applies to the big RV Park and other thing's associated with it.
Has anyone else heard the same thing?
Perhaps, the Konnected Kounty Economic Development Employee or the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners can enlighten us. Or perhaps one or two of the Elk Konnected, LLC's followers might bring us up to date.
Quote from: Ross on May 14, 2012, 05:32:06 PM
...Anyway while visiting with a friend, I was told the big tourist trail ride from Busby past the artesian well to the wind farm has been put on put on the back burner, put on hold, etc. They said the something about it applies to the big RV Park and other thing's associated with it...
Interesting.
Well, well, well, citizens. At least the Konnected pundits can say we were told in advance... because we were... in 2008!
Quote from: pepelect on July 30, 2008, 08:33:33 PM
:o Someone wants to build in Howard? Do they need any Ideas? I know a guy. Need a property owner swayed? Have a problem with zoning....Local community Improvement committee nominates who ever it is as chairperson with huge Title and no salary.
Do you have to have over 50 beds to cater to the bus line tourists? Could we stack bunk beds in the rooms and call it the bunk house?
Should we give lots of money to the Flinthills Assembly of God church to get the new building on its way so we can serve the fire water? Fire water is not just for firemen anymore. Firewater makes money more fluid. Come here's need fluid so their funding doesn't dry up.
What about an RV park and ride....Park your RV and we will give you a trailride of Elk County.
Have you ever seen limestone arch bridge? Ariesian well? and a 200 megawatt wind farm on the same trail?
Cave Springs any memories?
Click the map below to enlarge. In addition to reflecting PEP's 2008 foreshadowing cast in eerily accurate present day detail, the above map shows roads (in red) that have been quietly receiving considerable attention for over a year. Those routes are interesting. Konnected, as it were.
Coincidence? If not the whole thing is a tad bittersweet. The idea that significant numbers of travellers might visit, enjoy our county and leave some of their vacation funds might be a good thing. Honey to an ailing county soul,so to speak. The milk in the equation is a different matter. Inasmuch as most of what appears to be developing was fostered & perhaps manipulated outside of the clear public view and a good portion of it possibly advanced with the aid of local government influence & political Konnection the milk takes on a sour flavor. Especially in light of all the Konnections involved. Perhaps there are others in Elk County who might have had an interest in the 'big picture' or been willing to make some positive contribution and been rewarded for their effort. As it stands, it looks like the Konnected 'we' may hold a monopoly on providing the 'rides' and reaping the rewards.
When conceived it was a project of almost unimaginable boldness and foolhardiness, requiring great bravura, risking great hubris. —Simon Winchester, The Professor and the Madman, 1998
Headline Just posted on the internet this morning:
Report: Mismanagement rampant at airports authorityThe regional authority overseeing one of the largest public works projects in the country is rife with mismanagement, a glaring lack of transparency and lavish spending habits that have included thousand-dollar dinners and a $9,200 plane ticket to Prague, according to a scathing interim report from the U.S. Department of Transportation's inspector general.
Sound a bit familiar. similar to what is happening with our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Where is the transparency?
We know they are reading this forum and this thread, where are they?
Busy keeping secrets?
I believe the reason County Commissioner Liebau refers to my post's as vile is because my post's are truthful, and the truth hurts. IMHO
I also believe the reason County Commissioner Hendricks posted in this thread that she doesn't trust me, is because, "I have no reason what so ever to lie on this forum", and was simply an attempt to discredit me. IMHO And she doesn't even know me.
I believe the reason, I was told is this thread that all my post's were being printed out for a possible lawsuit, was simply an attempt to shut me up and to attempt to stop open and honest dialog. IMHO
Secrets by our Konnected Economic Development Employee about who she is working with on Economic Development?
My opinion is we need to replace to Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Voting is real important this year, your vote is very important, more so then past years, because we have more information today then before, Don't you think?
Where are all the Elk Konnected, LLC FOLLOWERS's now?
Let us hear from you? What do you have to say?
Do you think we need Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to continue the actions that have been an on going thing?
IMHO NO!
Let's all be vile together, let's all vote in November.
"Of course we should be skeptical.
Of course we should be questioning.
Of course we shouldn't be naïve."
British Prime Minister
If you were to drive down RD 19 to Elk Falls the care taken of the road does not go all of the way. You will see that it only goes as far as one of the members. So anyone living further down does not benefit from it. You will see on that road at one spot that the road next to the river is caving off. They were told about it and just don't care. Seems that only the Konnected members are the ones that benefit from all this road care.
And before the chorus begins, remember that at least one of our konnected commissioners has been micromanaging the road super for some time. Calling to direct work as they individually see fit, not based on any commission approved public plan. More on this later perhaps.
You 2 that call yourselves Ross and Patriot are sure troublemakers. You are trying to pit the towns in Elk County against each other, you are trying to pit the Schools against each other and you are trying to pit the people against each other. Fortunately many if not most of the people I talk to tell me that they don't believe half of what you put out here. I think you 2 are the most negative thing to come to Elk County in my lifetime.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 16, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
You 2 that call yourselves Ross and Patriot are sure troublemakers. You are trying to pit the towns in Elk County against each other, you are trying to pit the Schools against each other and you are trying to pit the people against each other. Fortunately many if not most of the people I talk to tell me that they don't believe half of what you put out here. I think you 2 are the most negative thing to come to Elk County in my lifetime.
I'm not the one doing the county wrong, I am not an elected official working for a privately owned business, that begs for county money.
I believe Elk Konnected, LLC still has their open letter out there on the internet knocking Elk Falls as a reason for starting their organization. So you might want to reassess your statement.
And it does not bother me one iota that you don't believe a word I say. Why waste your time reading what I say?
Oooh!The truth hurts that much?
I'm so sorry for you.
Prove me a liar, please?
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 16, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
You 2 that call yourselves Ross and Patriot are sure troublemakers. You are trying to pit the towns in Elk County against each other, you are trying to pit the Schools against each other and you are trying to pit the people against each other. Fortunately many if not most of the people I talk to tell me that they don't believe half of what you put out here. I think you 2 are the most negative thing to come to Elk County in my lifetime.
Technically there has always been two groups. Those that pay the bill and those who don't but receive the service for free. The ones who pay the bill have a right and a duty to question where their money is going. ESPECIALLY if its going to others that have wealth and means. Since those in power tend to not pay much of the bill, it then falls on the rest of the productive. In all reality those who don't pay taxes should not have a say in what is done.They have no stake in it outside of recipient.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 16, 2012, 03:09:08 PM
Technically there has always been two groups. Those that pay the bill and those who don't but receive the service for free. The ones who pay the bill have a right and a duty to question where their money is going. ESPECIALLY if its going to others that have wealth and means. Since those in power tend to not pay much of the bill, it then falls on the rest of the productive. In all reality those who don't pay taxes should not have a say in what is done.They have no stake in it outside of recipient.
I don't know what makes you think that they don't pay taxes. That is just a tad bit on the crazy train saying that. So, if I make $100,000 a year, (which I don't nor does my husband), you say that we don't pay taxes? Just wondering why you would say that. I know I have never seen a commissioners name printed in the paper for not paying their taxes. So that it just like saying they don't have to pay any. I don't know for a fact, but I am pretty sure that is totally wrong. They pay the same amount of taxes, if not more than we do. I also know that some of those commissioners are very hard working people. Do you know what each of them do to earn their living?
Any time a public leader of any group doesn't do what some people want they are ganged up on. Believe me I know. Do you think people of leadership do it for their health? Not hardly. They do it for the good of others. I think that some of this has gone to far. I haven't posted on this for a long time. But some of the things you say about these people are just wrong. If I was to call up Jennifer, while not workin, and ask her to help me do something she would be right there to help. The same is with our commissioners. But I'm not sure that if I called up any of you for help that you would be there to help. We are trying to teach our children not to bully, but that is all that you people know how to do. I don't agree with some of the things that go on with the county, but to sit and make a post on the internet to bash these people does no good, yet you continue to keep doing it. I choose to talk to the leaders and express my concerns with words that are fitting for my 7 year old child to use and see. It's sad. When we moved Severy and Moline schools to Howard, we united our kids, but the adults in this county just don't want to unite at all. Fight, fight, and fight some more of roads that have been bad for so many years that it will take at least that many years to get them up to shape, or how we are going to spend some wind farm money. Really!!
Angie, you said it all and did it very well. GREAT JOB, I have quit posting as well but felt your post deserved a positive response.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
When we moved Severy and Moline schools to Howard, we united our kids, but the adults in this county just don't want to unite at all. Fight, fight, and fight some more of roads that have been bad for so many years that it will take at least that many years to get them up to shape, or how we are going to spend some wind farm money. Really!!
That is because This so called uniting is nothing more than socialist agenda to destroy the individual. I am not responsible for you nor your kids nor your family. You in turn are not responsible for me. This unity crap is that. Crap.
Steve, the only way exceedingly small, dying communities survive AT ALL is if the peoples within those borders ARE united in their efforts. It is all that "I am an island, watch me wither away" that is crap. Angie, you are dead on, as always. And yes, Old Timer...There have been real attempts at divide and conquer going on for some time here. Makes you wonder what their agenda is, doesn't it? Why so intent on deflecting attention away from themselves? Why the witch hunts on people who would rather live in peace but choose to put themselves in the public eye, thereby putting a bullseye on themselves for those who do nothing but carp instead of doing anything constructive? Let the howls of indignation commence... :o ::) ;D
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 16, 2012, 02:39:46 PM
You 2 that call yourselves Ross and Patriot are sure troublemakers. You are trying to pit the towns in Elk County against each other, you are trying to pit the Schools against each other and you are trying to pit the people against each other. Fortunately many if not most of the people I talk to tell me that they don't believe half of what you put out here. I think you 2 are the most negative thing to come to Elk County in my lifetime.
You told us, by golly! Now, based on your obvious lack of careful, objective review or verification of what's been said here in the last year+, and your reliance on hearsay & likely uninformed views of 'the people you talk to' we'll gladly add your name to the clueless list.
Neither Ross nor I have ever suggested anything that pits town against town or school district against school district. In fact, there has been easily verifiable information that EK did just that as a basis for its' formation. We have suggested and even provided evidence that there are special interests at work in local government that tend to favor select private interests and businesses. If you're OK with that being the norm, that's a view your entitled to have. With respect to negativity, I'll accept Ross' perspective that uncomfortable truths aren't negative... just uncomfortable. Then again, we don't live in Perfectville where there are no problems either. We also don't accept the premise that openly correcting governmental wrongs is a bad thing. Sorry your views are so skewed toward the acceptance of potentially corruptive behavior.You, Sir or Madam, are welcome to keep your head comfortably in the sand for as long as you wish.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 16, 2012, 04:21:49 PM
That is because This so called uniting is nothing more than socialist agenda to destroy the individual. I am not responsible for you nor your kids nor your family. You in turn are not responsible for me. This unity crap is that. Crap.
What is crap? Making people treat other people with respect? I was always taught to respect others. What is going on is that you choose to degrade others because they don't believe or think like you. I am not saying that you are not right about your beliefs or that I am right. I am saying that to survive in life you have to learn to get along with others. If you have a boss and they tell you to do something, do you not do it? You have to learn to except others and try to get along with them. I know and understand that you all don't like what the commissioners are doing. We get that we understand that, but 365 pages of degrading information (if you can call it that), is down right enough. No, I don't have to read it, nobody does. I think I read it just to see what kind of CRAP you all post. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of Elk Konnected. If someone from the group ask me for help, you bet if I am not busy, I would help. I help in alot of areas.
If you all don't like the commissoners, then run for an office. I see that in the paper this week they are asking for people to run for different things. But that is what the main problem with people in this area do do, they complain about certain organizations, and choose not to help when ask. If you look, its the same people doing all the different organizations, same group that want to better Elk County and surrounding areas. The only way to do that is if we do unite!!
Steve, how do we do this if we don't unite and work together? Don't tell me some big line of bull like bring in jobs, things like that. There are more jobs in this area than there have been in along time. I was born and raised in Severy, and moved to Howard when my husband and I got married. Love the area, the people, and the way of life. But this negativity this thread has makes me want to puke!!!
WOW Angie, you are on a roll tonite and you are right on target. You are saying exactly what a lot of people there have said to me.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 06:28:59 PM
What is crap? Making people treat other people with respect? I was always taught to respect others.
Respect is earned, not demanded. Sorry but i respect only those who earn it. So far i can count on 1 hand the number of politicians i respect.
QuoteWhat is going on is that you choose to degrade others because they don't believe or think like you. I am not saying that you are not right about your beliefs or that I am right. I am saying that to survive in life you have to learn to get along with others.
Not really, i do not have to believe nor do i have to even accept others beliefs. IF i disagree, i'm going to say i disagree. Its that simple. Why lie about it. We call that blowing smoke up others asses.
QuoteIf you have a boss and they tell you to do something, do you not do it?
That would depend on what they tell me to do.
QuoteYou have to learn to except others and try to get along with them.
Who says i do? I don't have to accept anything. I don't accept or get along with queers, rapists thugs, or any vermin like that and i most certainly do not get along with them. I choose who i get along with and whom i don't. No one can force anyone to get along with anyone else.
QuoteI know and understand that you all don't like what the commissioners are doing. We get that we understand that, but 365 pages of degrading information (if you can call it that), is down right enough. No, I don't have to read it, nobody does. I think I read it just to see what kind of CRAP you all post. I am not, nor have I ever been a member of Elk Konnected. If someone from the group ask me for help, you bet if I am not busy, I would help. I help in alot of areas.
Degrading? Uh if the commissioners were doing it by the book then there would be no 365 pages. Illegal unethical, immoral actions deserve the light of day and if it degrades someone so be it. IF They can't take the heat, then get out of office.
QuoteIf you all don't like the commissoners, then run for an office.
No wouldn't lower myself to do that. And no IF i don't like it i don't have to run for office either, I can and will and demand that they do it by the rules set forth, as well as honestly and ethically. IF they don't then they should be called on it publically. Haven't we had enough smoke being blown up our asses with politicians the last 4 years? Heck we get it from the feds and now the locals.
QuoteI see that in the paper this week they are asking for people to run for different things. But that is what the main problem with people in this area do do, they complain about certain organizations, and choose not to help when ask. If you look, its the same people doing all the different organizations, same group that want to better Elk County and surrounding areas. The only way to do that is if we do unite!!
THe problem isn't bettering elk county, the problem is using stolen money from the taxpayers to fund said betterment. IF the group wish's to better elk county then the group needs to raise its own funds and leave the taxdollars out of it.
QuoteSteve, how do we do this if we don't unite and work together?
Individuals do unite in a common cause, but this crap of social justice that is running rampant through our country is enough. Indivduals are the driving force of this country not unity. These individuals go off and start businesses, ventures, ideas and bring them to fruitition, without any need of chairs facillitators, or government welfare via tax dollars.
QuoteDon't tell me some big line of bull like bring in jobs, things like that. There are more jobs in this area than there have been in along time. I was born and raised in Severy, and moved to Howard when my husband and I got married. Love the area, the people, and the way of life. But this negativity this thread has makes me want to puke!!!
Good theres more jobs. How long are they going to be here? but not enough to keep this and every county around alive. Main problem is the county doesn't have any resources. some town in iowa had the same problem. They created a resource, some guys INDIVIDUALS, not a group got togehter and started building and selling computers. Gateway international was born. Thats what is going to have to happen if the county is to survive. Find something that is needed and produce it.
Steve, rarely do the concepts of individual liberty, free enterprise, integrity in government, and appearances of impropriety (even when supported by provable facts) ever sway the closed minds of people who live in the fantasy land of Obama-like hope n change. People of that narrow mindset simply can't abandon their dreams of a perfect world where there is no conflict and where problems can all be solved if 'we just get along'. Consequently, anyone who has a supportable point of view becomes a 'troublemaker' who can't fit some euphoric pattern of being 'positive' about everything. But then, you knew that.
Now, who exactly is the 'we' who are going to be providing these trail rides when people park their RV? Given the clear konnections, I can think of only one privately owned company registered with the state of KS, well konnected enough to finance such an endeavor and is operating in Elk County who fits that ticket.
Quote from: Patriot on May 16, 2012, 08:54:09 PM
Steve, rarely do the concepts of individual liberty, free enterprise, integrity in government, and appearances of impropriety (even when supported by provable facts) ever sway the closed minds of people who live in the fantasy land of Obama-like hope n change. People of that narrow mindset simply can't abandon their dreams of a perfect world where there is no conflict and where problems can all be solved if 'we just get along'. Consequently, anyone who has a supportable point of view becomes a 'troublemaker' who can't fit some euphoric pattern of being 'positive' about everything. But then, you knew that.
Now, who exactly is the 'we' who are going to be providing these trail rides when people park their RV? Given the clear konnections, I can think of only one privately owned company registered with the state of KS, well konnected enough to finance such an endeavor and is operating in Elk County who fits that ticket.
It's how you say it and go about the change. We all have free liberty to do and say what we believe. But when you all say it, it's ok. But I voice my opinion and I am uneducated and don't know what I am talking about. It's not how loud you scream, but how you go about things. You have sit and said that people that make money in this county don't pay taxes. They all have free money that is coming from the government that they didn't earn. But honestly, some of the people that you are talking about don't get free rides, that is what you called it. They work!! What is disablility? I know I am opening up a can of worms, but when my dad passed away years ago, he was getting a pension from the government. He was retired from the Navy. After he passed away, my mom didn't get crap! Thank goodness my sister and brother and I were out on our own then and she didn't have to raise us any more. She lost everything. Then she had heart problems. Doctor told her she couldn't work, but it took her well over a year to get any kind of disability. So, what am I to HATE the government for doing my family wrong. Sit on my butt and complain does nothing. I am bettering myself by getting a job to help support my family. I am proud that my father was in the Armed Forces. But they did my mother wrong, should I just HATE all that they do. NO, and I don't. I am a proud hard working AMERICAN raising my 3 beautiful daughters to believe in GOD, and this country!! I am teaching them to set goals and never let anyone tell you that you can't be anything that you want. But most importantly to treat others the way that they themselves want to be treated. If I do wrong, you bet I want someone to tell me. I want to improve myself everyday, especially if I am doing something wrong. I am not telling you that you are wrong. I just think that by now you have found a better way to get your point across. We all hear you, but the louder you are shouting the more people are not listening!! Honestly, I am not!
Quote from: frawin on May 16, 2012, 07:15:19 PM
WOW Angie, you are on a roll tonite and you are right on target. You are saying exactly what a lot of people there have said to me.
Thanks- Just venting. So tired of people targeting others. It happens on every level of things. I volunteer alot, but am always the target when something goes wrong. It happens when you step up and help out where you are needed. Like many others in this community that get an earful everytime something goes wrong. Like teachers, coaches, 4-H leaders, Girl Scout/Boy Scout leaders, councilmen and women, board members, you name it, they are the target. Not once do the complainers step up and help out in the commmunity, but they are usually the ones to yell the loudest when something doesn't go like they think it should.
I for one APPRECIATE anyone who volunteers to make this community and surrounding communities better places to leave for my children. With out your help and support some of the different things in the communities wouldn't get done. Even the County Commissioners, they have a hard job, and I for one wouldn't want it for anything. But I do say THANKS!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 09:50:36 PM
... We all hear you, but the louder you are shouting the more people are not listening!! I am not!
I sincerely hope venting your personal feelings about how the government treated your mother and sharing your personal stories was beneficial to you at some level.
All in all your diatribe was nice, even though I never mentioned taxes, disabilities or your personal/family objectives.
As for you not listening, the simple fact you responded here proves that statement inaccurate. However I don't doubt that you are not hearing or comprehending. One word... F O C U S.
Can you talk about the trail rides that are to be provided? How about the inappropriate use of government position? Or what about any number of things that local government does that have a negative or potentially negative effect on the voters, taxpayers and citizens of Elk County or that leave a negative impression on visitors?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Do you know what each of them do to earn their living?
What they do for a living has no bearing what so ever with the job we the taxpayers pay them to do.
They as elected officials have an obligation to do the very best for all of Elk County, and not exclusively for a privately owned company such as
Elk Konnected, LLC or any other company they might be affiliated with. Don't you understand. Two are Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, get it?
What is it you don't understand about
Ethic's Principles? Loyalties? And so many other things involved.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Any time a public leader of any group doesn't do what some people want they are ganged up on. Believe me I know.
It is an accepted fact, nothing new there.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Do you think people of leadership do it for their health? Not hardly. They do it for the good of others. I think that some of this has gone to far.
They are not suppose to do it for the good of others --- such as
Elk Konnected, LLC They should be doing the job for the good of the whole county as Mr. Ritz does, don't you think.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
I haven't posted on this for a long time. But some of the things you say about these people are just wrong.
Please provide some substantial information. This statement by you is totally wrong. Just blowing hot air.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
If I was to call up Jennifer, while not workin, and ask her to help me do something she would be right there to help. The same is with our commissioners.
Big deal, I have friends I can call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and receive help if needed. And I would do the same for them. And it has happened. So what's your point? What does that have to do with doing the job for the county they are paid to do? Just more smoke from you right?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
But I'm not sure that if I called up any of you for help that you would be there to help.
Why would you call me? You don't even know me personally. I don't know you personally either.
Why wouldn't you just pick up the phone and dial a random number and ask for help? Not to smart there, making a statement such as this.
But I suppose if you needed help getting gravel for your driveway Mr. Leibau would be right there, with a bill for the material and the delivery of the material. Good job.
If you were broke down on the highway, I guarantee, I would stop and give a hand even if you told me, I'm Lookatmeknow I'd still do my best to help you on your way. So why make statements about people you don't personally know.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
We are trying to teach our children not to bully, but that is all that you people know how to do. I don't agree with some of the things that go on with the county, but to sit and make a post on the internet to bash these people does no good, yet you continue to keep doing it.
I personally am not bashing anyone. I am pointing out the politically incorrect actions of our elected officials and their Konnection with
Elk Konnected, LLC I believe, I am entitled to my political opinion, which Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau called
vile in a bullying manner during a County Commissioners meeting.
I have also pointed out on numerous occasions that the, Founding Member of
Elk Konnected, LLC Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said in an open letter that because of the problems with a certain community
Elk Konnected, LLC came about. She also stated that
Elk Konnected, LLC never intended to diss the community of Elk Falls, she stated this at a County Commissioners meeting as a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner. But yet, the open letter remains out there and no statements that the County Commissioners should respect the City Councils decisions to govern their own communities. So really, who is doing the bashing.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
I choose to talk to the leaders and express my concerns with words that are fitting for my 7 year old child to use and see. It's sad.
I just bet! But, as I understand you won't listen to the most important county leader that is a part of/in your life.
You know, you could learn a lot from that man if you just became lookatmelearn instead of lookatmeknow.
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
When we moved Severy and Moline schools to Howard, we united our kids, but the adults in this county just don't want to unite at all. Fight, fight, and fight some more of roads that have been bad for so many years that it will take at least that many years to get them up to shape, or how we are going to spend some wind farm money. Really!!
When you have adults forming organizations which appear to be solely for the purpose of control by deception and manipulation, you should expect problems. Lookatmeknow should surely know the simple problems that this renders', otherwise, why lookatmeknow?
When such organization just blows smoke and refuses to provide answers to the why's and wherefores'
And Who? What? Where? When? Why? And How? They should expect even more questions?
But surely lookatmeknow would know that and at the same time be able to recognize the real problem.
If all of this political stuff is so elusive to you perhaps you should go back to the beginning of this thread and read and learn so you can actually know.
Try please, To Figure out the difference between friendships and politics.
Quote from: Catwoman on May 16, 2012, 04:31:06 PM
Steve, the only way exceedingly small, dying communities survive AT ALL is if the peoples within those borders ARE united in their efforts. It is all that "I am an island, watch me wither away" that is crap. Angie, you are dead on, as always. And yes, Old Timer...There have been real attempts at divide and conquer going on for some time here. Makes you wonder what their agenda is, doesn't it? Why so intent on deflecting attention away from themselves? Why the witch hunts on people who would rather live in peace but choose to put themselves in the public eye, thereby putting a bullseye on themselves for those who do nothing but carp instead of doing anything constructive? Let the howls of indignation commence... :o ::) ;D
Do you folks even give any thought to what you say?
Have you even read this thread?
If so you should understand the division caused by and exasperated by none other then the privately owned company Founded by our elected county commissioner, hence the name Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks. If you were to read this thread carefully you should have no problem understanding the division, the manipulation, and the control factors involved as well as the political ramifications involved.
Show me anything
Elk Konnected, LLC has done that is constructive? Just show me? They run around looking for
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, which has been proven? They hand out lollipops, big deal?
It is my opinion they exploit the children of Elk County by handing out lollipops. If the real and actual communities received the recreational funds the
Elk Konnected, LLC uses to advertise themselves then perhaps the actual/real communities could do more for their own children.
Which in my opinion would be a whole lot better for the communities.
Wake up.
Please.
I think most of you recognize what Ross' posting is just his opinion and a twisted one at that. It is a good thing Liz and the Elk Konnect volunteers are doing for the people of Elk County both young and old.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 17, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
I think most of you recognize what Ross' posting is just his opinion and a twisted one at that. It is a good thing Liz and the Elk Konnect volunteers are doing for the people of Elk County both young and old.
.
You talk, (type) but you don't back it up. Why?
If you are talking about taking recreational money's from the real and actual communities to hand out lollipops, that is not a good example.
What volunteers? Who are they? Who are the actual members?
If you can not answer these simple questions, then it is you who has twisted opinions.
What has Elk Konnected, LLC done to improve life in Elk County?
Nothing IMHO!
They failed at running their Wellness Center and someone else is making a success at it.
How many other things have they failed at. It appears that manipulation is going to be one of thse failures, don't you think?
This is a perfect place to live. That's why I moved here.
Elk County has great little communities and I enjoy each and everyone of them and their festivals when I can.
What need to be changed besides the political connection of
Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk County Government?
Why is Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company get recreation money that should be going to the individual communities, so those communities can provide for their own festivals and other recreational needs?
Does any other privately owned company in Elk County take recreation money away from the communities for whom the money was initially designed to go to?
Go for it, Old Timer. You are making sense...Unfortunately enough for those in question.
Quote from: frawin on May 16, 2012, 03:57:00 PM
Angie, you said it all and did it very well. GREAT JOB, I have quit posting as well but felt your post deserved a positive response.
You guys sure have a positive attitude?
What's it all about?
Is it a positive thing for wrong doing, lack of ethics, what's it about?
Or is it you think this quote is wrong? A not so positive attitude?
"Of course we should be skeptical.
Of course we should be questioning.
Of course
we shouldn't be naïve."
British Prime Minister
Does your positive attitude tell you, you should not question concivable wrongs?
Does that mean, therefore you condone anything in government, be it local, state, federal?
Whatever, they do mus then be approached with a positive attitude, is that what you are saying?
Well truthfully that has gone on in the Federal Government and that is why all the bailouts for the rich.
I just don't understand your positive attitude and what it is all about.
I just got a handle on that positive thinking thing.
Quote From Jay Leno:
The Tonight Show With Jay Leno,
The Justice Department has launched a probe into JPMorgan's $2.3 billion loss. I believe it's called "Operation wink, nod, and look the other way."
End Quote
LOL, but really not so funny.
Thanks for the great recession.
I just don't understand your constant negative attitude and what it is all about. Elk County people have always been about helping each other, having programs for the children of all ages. For some reason you think providing activities for young people is bad, I have read your posts for along time and you have a very twisted way of thinking.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 17, 2012, 03:42:41 PM
I just don't understand your constant negative attitude and what it is all about. Elk County people have always been about helping each other, having programs for the children of all ages. For some reason you think providing activities for young people is bad, I have read your posts for along time and you have a very twisted way of thinking.
THat might be part of the problem that has elk in the hole financially. Tax dollars are not for the childrens pleasure.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 17, 2012, 03:42:41 PM
I just don't understand your constant negative attitude and what it is all about. Elk County people have always been about helping each other, having programs for the children of all ages. For some reason you think providing activities for young people is bad, I have read your posts for along time and you have a very twisted way of thinking.
I'm not negative, I'm pretty positive that when
Elk Konnected, LLC goes to the elected officials of Elk County at an Elk County Commissioners meeting and asks' their Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for money for that privately owned company, and those same Kommissioners do not
recluse themselves based on
ethics, something is wrong. It is a very common thing in government for elected officials to
recluse themselves when a vote would be
considered a conflict of interest.Not very difficult to understand is it?
In the words of Thomas Jefferson, "An educated citizenry is a vital requisite for our survival as free people."
How do you get educated as to what is going on in the county if you don't ask who, what, why, when, where and how?
Or is it just, "Operation wink, nod, and look the other way." for you?
Oldtimer, ignore Skreech, he doesn't live in Elk County, doesn't own property in Elk County, doesn't pay taxes in Elk County and doesn't know anything about Elk County's budgets, etc but what he sees Ross make up.
Quote from: ELK@KC on May 17, 2012, 04:07:26 PM
Oldtimer, ignore Skreech, he doesn't live in Elk County, doesn't own property in Elk County, doesn't pay taxes in Elk County and doesn't know anything about Elk County's budgets, etc but what he sees Ross make up.
Welcome back ELK@KC with your negative attitude.
You still can't/won't tell us who the registered members of
ElK Konnected, LLC are, can you?
You still can't/won't tell us what their goals are can you?
You still can't/won't tell us how they would accomplish those goals can you?
Why so negative about such a great thing?
Is it perhaps because it is not such a great thing?
Welcome back ELK@KC won't you please contribute something positive to this thread?
Positive answers to the questions listed above.
Or will you just continue to be negative?
Just wondering...
Would a privately owned tourist recreation operation qualify for funds from the county local alcoholic liquor fund (recreation fund) under K.S.A. 79-41a04?
http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_79/Article_41a/79-41a04.html (http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_79/Article_41a/79-41a04.html)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg190000/topicseen.html#msg190000 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg190000/topicseen.html#msg190000)
Did I understand that right?
Half of the money from the state liquor tax is suppose to go into the county general fund
and the rest of the money is supposed to be distributed equaly to each community?
I didn't seem to read anything about distribution on as a request at the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting to peivately owned company's.
Perhaps I should re-read that statute. I'm not very good at legalese.
http://kansasstatutes.lesterama.org/Chapter_79/Article_41a/79-41a04.html
Ross, I think you need to make sure you have your facts straight. Don't you ever, and I mean ever say that I don't listen my Husbands Uncle. That is just you blowing smoke in everyone's a@@!! You know I wasn't that pissed off until you put that here. That is a line of sh@@!!! I don't know who you get your so called facts from, but I do listen to him loud and clear. You don't even know my side of how I think on the issues. Have I stated that the government makes me happy??? All that I have stated is that the way that you go about things is wrong. You are nothing but, oh I won't stoop to your level. But don't you ever say that I don't listen to someone that is such a big part of my family!!! You sir are a piss of work, and not the good kind!!!
See you and your crowd of, whatever you are, are not worth my time of day!! Take this all and see how you all can SPIN IT TO FIT YOUR NEEDS!!! You are vile human beings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 17, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
Ross, I think you need to make sure you have your facts straight. Don't you ever, and I mean ever say that I don't listen my Husbands Uncle. That is just you blowing smoke in everyone's a@@!! You know I wasn't that pissed off until you put that here. That is a line of sh@@!!! I don't know who you get your so called facts from, but I do listen to him loud and clear. You don't even know my side of how I think on the issues. Have I stated that the government makes me happy??? All that I have stated is that the way that you go about things is wrong. You are nothing but, oh I won't stoop to your level. But don't you ever say that I don't listen to someone that is such a big part of my family!!! You sir are a piss of work, and not the good kind!!!
See you and your crowd of, whatever you are, are not worth my time of day!! Take this all and see how you all can SPIN IT TO FIT YOUR NEEDS!!! You are vile human beings!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tch, tch, temper, temper.
Is that suppose to be an educated response?
And such language?
So, now shall we stick to politics and not mix it with friends and favoritisims.
So you don't like the way I present my self, so what?
I think your Lookatmeknow!! is kind of ridiculous but I have always refrained from saying so. To each his/her own.
If you really listened to your uncle-in-law perhaps you would understand more about this topic.
There is that
vile word again, is that becoming a staple with the Followers.
You know nothing of me, therefore I am not offended by your angrily calling me
vile.
The truth really hurts and causes anger, doesn't it?
Where are all those people to help you with this problem, the problem of dealing with Ross' opinion of the truth?
You can not stoop to my level without first climbing a few flights of stairs my dear.
Why, because you don't see me using all those expletives in my posts that you just used in your post.
Oh, If you think this is some kind of spin, you should be able to spin it back real good.
And what were you saying in that post about teaching children about bullying, isn't this kind of language a form of bullying?
That must make you a good teacher about bullying.
Remember, I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post? I ask that they do teir own thinking. Pretty simple, huh?
My sympathies, try to have a good night.
Quote from: Ross on May 17, 2012, 08:02:42 PM
Did I understand that right?
Half of the money from the state liquor tax is suppose to go into the county general fund
and the rest of the money is supposed to be distributed equaly to each community?
No, the special tax generated by liquor sales by establishments outside a city/town is collected by the state and 70% goes back to the county to be used only for special purposes...
Each county shall receive: (A) 70% of the amount which is collected pursuant to this act from clubs or drinking establishments located in such county and outside the corporate limits of any city, from caterers whose principal places of business are so located or from temporary permit holders whose permitted events are so located and which is paid into the state treasury during the period for which the allocation is made; and (B) 23 1/3% of the amount which is collected pursuant to this act from clubs or drinking establishments located in the county and within a city that has a population of 6,000 or less, from caterers whose principal places of business are so located or from temporary permit holders whose permitted events are so located and which is paid into the state treasury during the period for which the allocation is made. The special purpose for which these moneis can be used are...
Moneys in such special funds shall be under the direction and control of the board of county commissioners. Moneys in the special parks and recreation fund may be expended only for the purchase, establishment, maintenance or expansion of park and recreational services, programs and facilities.The Attorney General has issued opinions saying that the county may disperse all or part of those funds to cities/towns in the county, but the towns must use the monies as required above. My understanding is that before Elk Konnected existed, those funds were given to the towns. Interesting, no?
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on May 17, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
You sir are a piss of work, and not the good kind!!!
Freudian slip? LOL
Just curious, which uncle are we talking about?
Well it looks like another so called Summer Day Camp is going to happen again this year. ` `
The news paper headline reads:
Elk County / Elk Konnected to sponsor kids day camp at five locations.
Now what do you suppose is wrong with that headline?
When the
Elk County Government receives a grant on the part of each and every citizen in Elk County don't you suppose it should be called the
Elk County Summer Day Camp instead of Kids Day Camp?
Afterall last year
Elk Konnected, LLC took credit for the Kids Day Camp by calling it the
Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp didn't they? Why is it they insist on taking credit for what we the citizens pay for? Yes , we, each and every one of us that pay property tax pay for the
Elk County Government. We pay the wages of the
Elk County Youth Development Employee not
Elk Konnected, LLC of which she is on their Steering Committee and seems to squeeze the name of
Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company into Elk County Government business, why is that? Is it perhaps that our
Elk County Youth Development Employee works for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners on their
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee and is instructed by the founding member of
Elk Konnected, LLC to do so? So, I'm confused which position comes first
Elk County Commissioner or
Elk Konnected, LLC founding member? And which comes first Paid
Elk County Youth Development Employee or
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
Just exactly how is
Elk Konnected, LLC sponsoring this event?
I'd like to hear some specifics?
Are they providing paid volunteers like last year?
Will those be paid volunteers?
Will those paid volunteers be paid for by
Elk Konnected, LLC?
Or if they are paid volunteers, will the paid volunteers, be paid from funds from the grant provided to
Elk County?
Exactly how is
Elk Konnected, LLCsponsoring the
Elk County Summer Day Camp?And it really should be called the
Elk County Summer Day Camp in my humble opinion.
Don't you think so?
Especially since it is being put on by the
Citizens of Elk County?This is being funded by use of taxpayers money paying for the
Elk County's Youth Development Employee or do we really need to pay for such a position within
Elk County?The newspaper article does point out that there will be arts and crafts for the children, which is a step forward from just baby sitting. It leads towards child development. Which is very good. Have you seen the flyer advertising the Day Camp as it is called on the flyer?
I wonder who put out that flyer?
Was it put out by
Elk Konnected, LLC?If so, was it produced using
Elk County resources?
Was it produced by our
Elk County Paid Youth Development Employee?If so, why isn't the Day Camp shown as
Elk County Summer Day Camp?I wonder why
Elk Konnected, LLC's logo overshadows Elk County?
Are we adopting
Elk Konnected, LLC's logo as an
Elk County Logo?
Why is it, that it seem to me that
Elk Konnected, LLC has tried to over shadow our
government so often?
Is it because our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners don't understand the difference between
Elk County Government and a privately owned company named
Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Do they really have a difficult problem drawing the line between the two?Elk Konnected claimed to be a community organization but, IMHO they blew that when they became
Elk Konnected, LLC and refuse to communicate openly and honestly with the
Citizens of Elk County,
WHY?From
Elk Konnected, LLC's web page:
Steering Committee
Jennifer BrummeL
Julie Englebrecht
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Provence
David Whetstone
I wonder what happened to all the other Steering Committee members?
And I still wonder why the School Board President David Whetstone never did recognize County Commissioner Hendricks, Head Volley Ball Coach at West Elk High when she discontinued her service for the scholl. I never heard so much as a thank you. Does anybody know why? Has anyone heard a thank you? And they both serve on the
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee.
What a Nitpicking, childish, narrow-minded bunch of jibberish.
And you, Old Timer, are a breath of fresh air... ;)
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 25, 2012, 06:29:01 AM
What a Nitpicking, childish, narrow-minded bunch of jibberish.
What a very uneducated response, in my opinion.
But you sir, are entitled to your opinion, just as everyone else is. Right?
However, I feel compelled to ask, why you could not answer one single question?Narrow minded, sure I accept that, because I don't believe in organizations that claim to be something and then not back it up. Especially when they refuse to have open honest dialog which they claimed they wanted. And then just walk away.
I have been no more narrow minded then they have. So yes, I accept narrow minded. After all that is what this thread has been since it inception. Just as every thread on this forum, each thread has a subject. Each thread falls under a category. So yes very narrow minded. Thank you.
Jibberish, your opinion and that's okay with me.
I assume you like the lollipops and propaganda being fed to you?
Well I Don't?
With out answers, that is all the is being done by an organization in this county, IMHO, what do you think?
Nitpicking where and how the county's tax coffers are used and spent would appear to me to be a wise move.
Perhaps our Country, our State and our County would be debt free, like I am and like a lot of other frugal people in the county are.
As long as our elected County Officials continue to appear be confused about who they represent and where their loyalties belong, which to me shows a lack of leadership and ethics, principles and morals, I shall continue to point it out, as my opinion and as is my right under the freedom of speech laws of our country.
I believe in the intelligence, judgment and wisdom of the readers to discern for themselves the information which appears on this thread or other threads or forums, that which is valid and worthy...or otherwise.
I have great trust and respect for the owners and monitors of this forum. And respect the fact that is I get out of line, they the owners, have every right to censor me.
I have great trust and respect for the Elk County people, and believe them to be fully-capable of making their own decisions and discerning their own realities.
I believe you can be perceptive enough to realize that even the things you may disagree with have some value in terms of promoting your own further self-definition and insight. And I would encourage them to use that judgement during the Elk County November Elections.
You,
Elk Konnected, LLC followers do not have the power to censor the information here. That is for each individual to do on an individual basis.
I strongly recommend to each individual not to 'assuming' anything. Read, consider, talk with your friends and neighbors and make your own informed decisions.
People 'assumed' the Warren Commission report was accurate. It was not. People 'assumed' the Federal Government would never conduct biochemical experiments on the general populace. But it did, by the score. People 'assumed' the world was once flat.
Sir, I don't ask anyone to believe "anything" I post.
I strongly suggest they think for themselves and make up their own mind?
And we follow that up with further Elk Konnected, LLC followers response:
Quote from: Catwoman on May 25, 2012, 07:03:29 AM
And you, Old Timer, are a breath of fresh air... ;)
And still incapable of any answers. WHY?
THE BEAT GOES ON.
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
I strongly recommend to each individual not to 'assuming' anything. Read, consider, talk with your friends and neighbors and make your own informed decisions.
That's a lot tougher than just making kneejerk negative comments based on personal feelings & rural myth.
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
Sir, I don't ask anyone to believe "anything" I post.
I strongly suggest they think for themselves and make up their own mind?
That's the tough part... fact finding & analytical thinking.
I wonder, catty, how much debt do you think Elk Co. has and what is the annual debt service? How much real economic & community growth or change has been realized from the efforts of EK... especially in light of the taxpayer resources they 'use'? For that matter, who are the legally admitted members of EK, LLC? How much do the taxpayers actually spend each year for Steering Committee member Montgomery's (formerly Brummel) youth & economic development activities? Could that money be better spent in other areas? What are the real economics and social structures in Elk County? What is EK's 'plan' to unify & grow Elk County, how is yjat plan progressing, and what real measurable progress has already been made?
Have you any facts on which to base your blind support of those who likewise give no factual basis for their objections to the subject matter in this thread? I think not. And, amazingly, you claim to 'teach'. Teach what? Classes in blind following of self proclaimed community leaders? It's obvious you don't teach nor apply critical thinking. Perhaps the Obama Hope n Change model is more your style, no?
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2012, 07:13:11 AM
And still incapable of any answers. WHY?
THE BEAT GOES ON.
Like sands thorough the hourglass of time.... or like lemmings off a cliff. Yes citizens, elections are coming... study now... before you vote.... unless, of course you secretly like being the poorest yet highest taxed shrinking violet county in the state of Kansas. In that case vote for the status quo & keep playing following the 'leader'. Do some homework & real self study. Caveat Emptor!
Are you saying all of your responses are educated, what is educated about your constant reference to lollipops. You have put out more crap and uneducated comments on the Forum than any other poster. You put down everyone that is trying to do for others, you have tried to pit Towns against towns, schools against schools and people against people. I think you are nothing but a big troublemaker. THIS IS MY OPINION AND AS YOU HAVE OFTEN SAID "EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.
Doing for others? ROTFLMAO. THey call taking money from one person by force, and threat of death then giving it to someone else doing for others? Give me a freaking break. Thats theft pure and simple. Nothing nice about it.
Doing for others denotes that all phases of the doing is volentary including the aquisition of the funds to do for others. AND Using tax dollars does not qualify for doing for others.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 25, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
Are you saying all of your responses are educated, what is educated about your constant reference to lollipops.
But to knock facts and to change facts to fit your own need doesn't prove anything.
Yet being unable to answer the simplest questions does speak volumes.
Now are you saying you don't like lollipops?
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 25, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
You have put out more crap and uneducated comments on the Forum than any other poster.
Why, thank you, for the crap and uneducated comments remark.
At least you are reading it and still unable to give a single answer to any questions concerning the topic, right?
Based on that way of thinking, I can understand why a certain County Commissioner finds this thread and my posts vile.
Apparently, he has no answers to the questions either.
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 25, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
You put down everyone that is trying to do for others, you have tried to pit Towns against towns, schools against schools and people against people.
No sir, I don't put down anyone who is trying to do for others, because I would have to put down myself as well. Because, I do for others frequently. I am not even really putting down
Elk Konnected, LLC ! I am asking what their goals are and how they plan to accomplish them? I am also asking who is
Elk Konnected, LLC ? I am also asking why a privately owned company needs to operate on
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money? Didn't they say they had all those donors? I am also asking why
Elk Konnected, LLC has to horn in on the various communities festivals using money from the county that could be used by the various communities?
No sir I don't pit school against schoo, that is acomplished through sports activities.
Please, show me where I have tried to pit community against community?
I would be happy to show you where
Elk Konnected, LLC dissed at least one community, when they first started their so called community organization? Would you like that?and each one of their fesitivals. It was not i that suggested that the communities individual governments be combined into one centrally located government, was it? Now that sir, would be pitting community against community in my humble opinion? Do you recall who suggested that to the county commissioners?
I happen to like each community and their particular individual identities
Quote from: Oldtimer on May 25, 2012, 01:33:27 PM
I think you are nothing but a big troublemaker. THIS IS MY OPINION AND AS YOU HAVE OFTEN SAID "EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION.
Yes sir, you are entitled to your opinion, 100% entitled, and I have said that plenty of times, you are quite correct!
And so am I. As well as everyone else in Elk County.
And what is even better is you or no one else is required to read this thread!
But to knock facts and to change facts to fit your own need doesn't prove anything!
You sir, may continue to try to make me look bad, but I am not the politician that sits at the county commissioners table, giving county money to my own organization. So, that it can advertise itself by handing out lollipops. Oops, you don't like reference to lollipops, sorry about that.
Call me all the names you like, diss me all you want, momma taught me as a child, "Sticks and Stones".
And the Patsy/Rosco contingent continues...<Yawn>
Whatever.
It's common knowledge that both Chautauqua and Elk Counties are designated Frontier Counties because of their lack of population. It's also common knowledge that welfare is one of the largest employers in both these counties.
Your point?
And as for all the rest of the verbal diarrhea that you all post...It's a beautiful day outside and I have no more time for all of this than I did during the school year. Continue on, you perpetual posters...If this is all you have to do in your poor existences, you have both my pity...And my disdain.
Quote from catwoman:
It's also common knowledge that welfare is one of the largest employers in both these counties.
That's something I've never heard before---interesting---could you provide proof of that statement ? I thank you in advance
Jar...
There are four main employers in Elk County...
The school system is the largest. Next, comes the welfare recipients. Next, the farmers and those who commute to work at Martin Marietta.
This has always been known down there...My knowledge comes from the days when I taught there. And no. Due to confidentiality, revealing who is on free/reduced is against the law.
So...If you've never heard it before, you must not be talking to any of the educators who work down there.
Quote from: Catwoman on May 25, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
And the Patsy/Rosco contingent continues...<Yawn>
Whatever.
Whatever is right, and the beat goes on!
Quote from: Catwoman on May 25, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
It's common knowledge that both Chautauqua and Elk Counties are designated Frontier Counties because of their lack of population. It's also common knowledge that welfare is one of the largest employers in both these counties.
Your point?
Not our point. What exactly does welfare have to do with this subject?
I/We have never made a point of anyone outside of this county or inside this county being on welfare.
But does that statement by you, insinuate that a privately owned company that uses
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" methods such as
Elk Konnected, LLC is on welfare? And that is alright? What exactly are you saying?
Quote from: Catwoman on May 25, 2012, 04:28:04 PM
And as for all the rest of the verbal diarrhea that you all post...It's a beautiful day outside and I have no more time for all of this than I did during the school year. Continue on, you perpetual posters...If this is all you have to do in your poor existences, you have both my pity...And my disdain.
You may deserve our pity but we do not deserve your pity! And I personally have no disdain for you or anyone else on this earth. Life is far to short for that kind of attitude.
And thank, I will continue posting however, the main thanks goes to the owners of the forum for providing this wonderful medium for all of us to do so.
I too am enjoying this beautiful day outside. And I am going back outside and finish watering my trees and weed wacking around my property and enjoying the evening.
I will return later to read your response.
TTYL
Quote from catwoman:
Jar...
There are four main employers in Elk County...
The school system is the largest. Next, comes the welfare recipients. Next, the farmers and those who commute to work at Martin Marietta.
This has always been known down there...My knowledge comes from the days when I taught there. And no. Due to confidentiality, revealing who is on free/reduced is against the law.
So...If you've never heard it before, you must not be talking to any of the educators who work down there.
Meow !!! Are we feeling catty this evening ? All I wanted was proof and asking an "educators" falls way short on any proof. Also, you might want to include Flint Oak as one of the biggest employers in the county---but what do I know ? I didn't ask an educator !!
Something done right by our state government.
The right things can happen.
Quote from: Ross on May 25, 2012, 09:26:14 PM
KANSAS CITY, Kan., May 25 (Reuters) - Republican Kansas
Governor Sam Brownback signed a bill
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13762.0.html
So anyway back on subject.
Would an Elk Konnected, LLC follower or member please inform us of anything that Elk Konnected, LLC has done to improve the quality of life in Elk County?
Besides hand out lollipops?
Per their web site with Public Squares Communities, LLC they claim under their Vision Statement they want to provide!
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
Strong Families
What have they done to accomplish this?
What gives them any authority involving families?
How would they strengthen families?
Solid Education
Since a Member of Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee is also the elected official of the school board and Konnected President of the School Board perhaps he can inform us how Elk Konnected, LLC has any say on this topic.
I heard one of our school buses recently had a blow out on a front tire driving south of Howard on Highway 99 and that the front tires were worn down to the steel belts?
Is this true?
Does this help provide a Solid Education?
Has West Elk donated money to Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Was that money possibly used to pay fees to Public Squares Communities?
Doesn't your relative Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks work as a staff member for Public Squares Communities, LLC?
Do you suppose those funds that may have been donated to Elk Konnected, LLC would have been put to better use within the school district? Like fixing buses?
Do you suppose some of those funds paid to Public Squares Communities, LLC may have been used to pay the wages of the Konnected Kommissioners wages working for Public Squares Communities, LLC as a staff member there?
What are you as a Konnected School Board President doing to bring West Elk up to a Solid Education?
When does West Elk become a Blue Ribbon School?
Superior Lifestyle
How about that?
What exactly is Elk Konnected, LLC's definition of a Superior Lifestyle?
How does Elk Konnected, LLC propose to provide a Superior Lifestyle for all the citizens of Elk County?
When is the next so called Kommunity Konversation?
A few answers would be welcome?
The only real things that have happened have been shown in another thread on this forum and I feel compelled to repeat a few of them on this thread.
Just a few of RED Flags that have been brought out over the last year:
They also failed at running their business know as the Wellness Center?
They failed at commandering the County Web site, didn't they?
They failed at commandering the County Emergency Call System also, didn't they?
They did accomplish commandering the County's Summer Day Camp last year by having a County Employee who is also Konnected put Elk Konnected, LLC's name on it, didn't they?
Are these their greatest accomplishments other then handing out lolipops provided with Elk County Recreational Funds?
And this years Elk County Summer Day Camp is only refered to simply as Summer Day Camp, why?
And the flyer for the Elk County Summer Day Camp has Elk Konnected, LLC's logo displayed pretty durn large as a sponsor, while Elk County is listed as a sponsor in very small print in comparrison. Why?
It doesn't take a wizard or a visionary to figure that one out does it?
Could it possibly be a form of propaganda?
Some real answers please?
Yes, it is repitition, but isn't that what Elk Konnected, LLC's provides us?
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals and how they plan to implement them. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Oh how i missed the forum. I can see the continued idiocy of a few members have completely ruined the forum, pages and pages of warph talking to himself and this contentious thread of a few good hearted people trying to convince cavemen that everything isn't a big huge conspiracy. At any rate, carry on, I'll be home again next month, I can't wait...
Quote from: Anmar on May 29, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
Oh how i missed the forum. I can see the continued idiocy of a few members have completely ruined the forum,
If you feel the forum has been completely ruined, why do you return to it?
It's narrowed mindedness versus open and honest dialog that makes thing bad.
Quote from: Anmar on May 29, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
pages and pages of warph talking to himself
And how does this bother you, you are not forced to read it are you?
Isn't it Warph's right to freedom of speech that counts here?
Really that you read it, would make me think that you find it interesting!
Just my thought!
Quote from: Anmar on May 29, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
and this contentious thread of a few good hearted people trying to convince cavemen that everything isn't a big huge conspiracy.
Yes this thread is very contentious as it is meant to be! As long as no one, can provide honest and open dialog, it will probably continue to be contentious, as in argumentative.
As are a lot of things in politics.
I believe it is only the
Elk Konnected, LLC's Followers that have raised the issue of a conspiracy, but, please correct me if I am wronng!
As are a lot of things in politics.
Is that a real problem for you?
Quote from: Anmar on May 29, 2012, 06:39:15 PM
At any rate, carry on, I'll be home again next month, I can't wait...
We shall carry on as long as the owners of the Forum permit us to. Thank you!
We are grateful to the owners, for providing this medium as everyone who visits and post on this forum should be, don't you agree?
I appreciate your comments and,
I wish you have a safe trip home.
Please Remember to Vote in November
Finally, a verifiable answer.... it's a start.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13779.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,13779.0.html)
Now, about the legally admitted members of EK....
I have read so much about people being happy about Elk Konnected, LLC doing so much to make lives better in Elk County!
But no one can say how? I can't find a single answer of who, what, where, when or how!
Why is that?
Is it just a smoke screen?
Or, why can't we get some real answers?
Elk Konnected, LLC has held several so called Kommunity Konversations and only a few people show up for them, right? I believe the last one had maybe 25 or 30 people including Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee, am I wrong?
What has been accomplished from such small Kommunity Konversations?
I ask, what has been accomplished even with the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in attendence?
Why would Elk Konnected, LLC need to ask the sheriff to throw someone out of a Kommunity Konversations for wanting to have a real conversation?
Rather un-sociable don't you think?
Nothing positive about that attitude is there?
Is there?
Yet, they tell anyone that may show up at their so called Kommunity Konversations to have a positive attitude, right?
Isn't that a double standard? Positively a double standard, huh?
And aren't they once again hi-jacking the Elk County Summer Day Camp by having our Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee print flyers and having articles run in the newspaper calling it simply Summer Day Camp?
Is this what we pay our Elk County Youth Development Employee to do on our dime?
Is it, to work more, for our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner as the Elk Konnected, LLC founder and Steering Committee member?
Elk Konnected, LLC has a moto, "Watch Us Grow", what does that mean?
Are they growing a garden?
Are they growing a bigger bank account because of "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" funding?
What does it mean? What does "Watch Us Grow", mean?
Hasn't attendance at their so called Kommunity Konversations gone from small to very small?
Hasn't their Steering Committee shrank considerably?
Didn't they have to vote to extend membership on their Steering Committee to 4 years and allow some to stay on the Steering Committee beyond the original allocated time?
So, what is GROWING?
Doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC advertise on their web site to provide the following goals:
Community Goals
Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Where are the things? How do they propose to accomplish any of them?
How come they can not explain how they plan to make those Goals?
We saw what happened with their "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Community Wellness Center, right? They positively shut it down and sold it?
I wonder what happened to the profits from the sale of that "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" business?
Is that the way we want our county ran?
By that, I mean by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that could not run a simple little business that was funded by a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" ?
I have heard, that at the last County Commissioners Meeting that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners gave Elk Konnected, LLC several hundred more dollars out of the recreational funds. I also understand the purpose is to buy T-Shirts with something to the effect of Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp written on them. Can someone tell me if this is true or not?
If it is true, I would ask, why are we as taxpayers are funding advertisement for a privately owned company?
And if we are, shouldn;t we do it for the drug store, the hardware store and the convience store as well?
Would that be a considered a positive action on the part of Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner that is, to use taxpayers money to pay for advertisement, for one particular privately owned company? Would that be the right thing to do?
Can anyone, anyone at all, tell me anything that Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished that has had a measurable and positive effect in Elk County since it's inception?
See the first page of this thread, not one suggestion has been accomplished, why?
Wasn't that all just hype, because of the $1,000,000 (One Million Dollar) number being thrown around?
And doesn't that just represent one of their first failures?
But, we all know they haven't failed at collecting money under "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT?
I think I have done far more for Elk County then Elk Konnected, LLC has. Let me ask does the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC pay property taxes? I mean like all the other business and property owners in Elk County? I do, I pay taxes. So do you, right?
Oh, I am a Kansas born citizen, who moved away for many, many years as means of finding employment. But, I moved back and I choose Elk County, because of it sparse population and because of it's location. I got really tired of the hustle and bustle and sirens of the city, this area is great because of what it is, IMHO. So, I am an outsider in Elk County, because I wasn't raised here and I don't have relatives here. But like a lot of outsiders, that have chose to live here, we bring with us our retirement checks, our Social Security Retirement checks and our life savings that we live on. This is new money in the county, that is spent in the local establishments, that otherwise would not be spent here. That is a boost to the economic development of the Elk County because it helps pay employees wages and provides profits for the store owners. That same money is used to pay property taxes. I cannot speak for anyone else and their property, but my property was overgrown with noxious weeds and very little grass and no buildings on it. It now has a pretty good stand of prarie grass and a home and two barns on it. I have cleaned up the pond and added a pond. I feel, I have accomplished quite a bit in a few years and invested a lot of money in Elk County. I have learned a great deal living here as well. And none of it was accomplished with "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" funds. And I love my lifestyle here.
Isn't it time for some new County Commissioners, and ones that are not Konnected?
Ones that perhaps have the whole county's best interest at heart?
Ones, that may have studied the financial abilities and ramifications of the wind farm before signing a contract?
Do you suppose, we may have gotten the same $3,000,000 (Three Million Dollars) that Enid, OK is getting from the same company and the same size wind farm?
PLEASE, Think about these things when it comes time to vote in November?
I hope everyone is having a great weekend and I also hope someone can provide some answers to a few questions.
I don't know if this is the right place to put this... but here goes.
StimulusWatch.org
Awards in Kansas
Below are the stimulus contracts, grants, and loans in this state. You can click on an award to read (and add to) its description. You can also discuss the award and vote on whether you are satisfied with it or not.
http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/performance_places/state/KS
For a more local view, you can drill down to awards in a particular city.
http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/performance_places/state/KS
The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Kansas is $1,313,573,745.39
Quote from: Warph on June 03, 2012, 01:01:56 AM
I don't know if this is the right place to put this... but here goes.
StimulusWatch.org
Awards in Kansas
Below are the stimulus contracts, grants, and loans in this state. You can click on an award to read (and add to) its description. You can also discuss the award and vote on whether you are satisfied with it or not.
http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/performance_places/state/KS
For a more local view, you can drill down to awards in a particular city.
http://stimuluswatch.org/2.0/performance_places/state/KS
The total of cost of all the projects submitted by Kansas is $1,313,573,745.39
Two questions. 1. wheres the jobs, 2. since it was approved the jobs have not started so where is the money?
HOWARD HOUSING AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF HOWARD
GRANT: $74,932 - DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT - MAR. 18, 2009
Are you satisfied with this award? or
No votes have been cast for this award yet
Join the conversation: Post a comment about this award
Award Description: Capital Improvements low income public housing landscaping at all sites and cabinets in project 2; community room improvements
Project Description: Contract awarded no work has started.
Jobs Summary: Not started (Total jobs reported: 0)
Project Status: Not Started
"IMHO"
Right place Warph. It shows the
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs that are destroying our
COUNTRY'S ECONOMY. I think the meddling with what is called
Economic Development is designed to simply to put money in certain peoples pockets, and that is just wrong.
That IMHO is why they claim
Economic Development is so
complicated.
It's
complicated simply to keep the average person in the dark about manipulation of money and tax money.
It's simply
complicated in order to hide the actuall transactions, and to confuse,
IMHO.Even one of our County Commissioners confessed at a Commissioners meeting that he could not explain
Economic Development. So, I am compelled to ask, why would he vote for something so complex, that he does not understand it?
WHY?The
stimulus was designed only to provide
temporary jobs for a few people.
And to spend a lot of extra printed money?But then, what happens, when those jobs end?
The money is gone and people don't have jobs.
And then more
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money is needed, right?
Oh, I think the wealthy and the wealthy companies make a lot of money at our expense.
Mine and your expense!
Where does this
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money or
stimulus money come from?
Simply by printing more money, which reduces the value of each dollar in your pocket or bank account.
That's why it is called
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"money. And it causes
inflation.
Stimulus money was changed to QE-1 and QE-2 or
Quantarive Easing 1 & 2 and there has been talk of QE-3.
Where does it all end?
All the use of this
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, where does it end?
When our finances are equal to the Greeks, when austarity happens as in Greece, is that when it ends?
Whether it is Billions or just a few Hundred it is
still "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" MONEY.
When do Beggars stop Begging?
When they are shamed enough or are told that it is unacceptable, right?
Why are people put to shame for not volunteering for a specific organization?
Simply a contol factor,
IMHO.Why do they call it volunteering,
if the volunteer get's paid with money begged from the County Coffers?
IMHO
Begging has been taken to a whole new level.
In the 1950's there were hobo's with torn and tathered clothes and holes in their shoes and they often begged.
Today's, beggar's wear fancy clothes and drive new cars and have developed a much more sanitized way of begging!
All while eating their caviar and claiming it is all for a good cause or for the children.
That is B.S., it amounts to handing out lollipops, it amount's to getting their name in the newspaper or magazines!
Especially when they choose not to back up what they say with factual, open and honest dialog.
Yes, that's my opinion of what Begging in this country today is all about!
The Truth Hurt's,
So, go ahead and start putting me down.
That way, I'll know you read this opinion.
Amen to that!
Ross, I don't think that you'll be getting an "Amen" from the so-called conservative Republicans because at heart they're liberals for sure.
Their support of the Elk Konnected confirms their true beliefs of liberalism.
Excellent post for sure. Stay right in there.
Café talk is that several people are running for county office's. Any truth to this and if so who's running and for what position ?
Quote from: jarhead on June 03, 2012, 10:01:22 AM
Café talk is that several people are running for county office's. Any truth to this and if so who's running and for what position ?
I'm hearing the same thing.
I don't have any facts.
If I can get time, I'll try to get by the Court House next Week.
Better yet, I just e-mailed the County Clerk and asked them to post a web page on the County web site.
The Elk County web site is now:
http://www.elkcounty.org
And the county clerk e-mail address is:
ekclerk@sktc.net
If anyone else cares to ask them to post the information.
I think we need more commissioners like Doug Ritz and that almost any change would be better then what we have.
For verification just re-read this thread.
How far does "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money go?
Romney's Solyndra?
State-Funded Massachusetts Solar Company Goes
Bankrupt By Frances Martel
With the failure of federally-funded solar energy company Solyndra one of the hallmarks of the Romney campaign line of attack, it appears that Mitt Romney will have some explaining to do soon about a similar endeavor that failed in Massachusetts after receiving support from Romney's administration. The Boston Herald reports today that Konarka Technologies, a solar panel developer that received Massachusetts state funds,
filed for bankruptcy yesterday.Why isn't
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money used responsibly?
Perhaps because the party getting it, hasn't earned it, what do you think?
Perhaps because of planning or studying the situation?
Perhaps out of desperation to be something they can't be?
Perhaps to cover the golden parachutes of the the people at the top, to line their pockets?
Let's try to apply this to children!
If a child says his world will end if he doesn't get the latest cellphone with all the bells and whistles, do we just fork over hundreds of dollars for the child?
Would that be the proper thing to do?
And, then the child 5 months later is bored with it and wants the new one that just came out, do we do it again?
What does that teach the child?
Doesn't it teach the child to just keep begging?
Well, my philosophy is the same as my parents and my grand parents, when the child is old enough, and responsible enough to own a cellphone, then they are responsible enough to have a job and earn the money to pay for it.
What do you think or feel about that for responsibility?
Isn't it part of a parents job to teach their child responsibility?
My child will earn it for himself and be able to take a far better pride in it and himself.
Well, I think that should apply to governments, company's (LLC's) , corporations, and organizations.
By that, I mean if they are ran by responsible people, they don't need or deserve
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money. They need to be creative and earn it, in my humble opinion.
If you believe responsible adults need
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, please explain it to me?
If those adults claiming to be responsible are wanting to make things better, but can not operate efficiently and provide for themselves without
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money how can they do anything?
If those same adults keep taking
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money and can not explain how lollipops make life better for the majority of people, just how can that be considered responsible?
I have lots of questions about responsibility here in Elk County and no answers, why?
Most people that live here are responsible individuals, but a few form a group and no one is responsible for answering questions.
They more or less claim they don't have a leader, a lot like Occupy Wall Street (OWS) IMHO.
No leader?
No one responsible?
Do they have any form of "Code of Ethics?
Do they have any real plans?
If so, why don't they explain what they are?
Why don't they explain how they plan to accomplish them?
Why don't they explain how they plan to finance them?
Where is the responsible leadership?
Who are the admitted members?
Why do they hide?
Who assumed responsibility for the closure of their Wellness Center?
Where did all the
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money that paid for the Wellness center go after the sale?
I think what else needs to be answered is, How much money is in their coffers, before they get another cent from the County Coffers in the form of
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money. I also think what else needs to be answered before the County Commissioners in open meeting is who accepts responsibility for the group?
Who is the responsible adult leader?
As well as all the other who, what, where, when, why and how's related to this groups intentions, and very clearly, or provide no more
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money.This would be the responsible action of our Elected Officials known as Elk County Commissioners. Don't you think so as well?
Is it perhaps, because doing the responsible thing, that two out of three of the commissioners, would br questionong their own actions?
Would that be a responsible action to avoid for those reasons?
? ? ? Questions, Questions, Questions ? ? ?
Since so much public money and grant money obtained by government employees is handed over to the control of the private, for profit, company called Elk Konnected, LLC, perhaps some open public accountability is in order.
Why can't a lawfully admitted managing or other admitted member of Elk Konnected, LLC (see Kansas statutes posted elsewhere in this discussion) be asked to make a public presentation to the county commission detailing their plan & program, provide a detailed accounting of their expenditures of county derived monies and demonstrate to the board the measureable results of their efforts? Or have the lines between private (Elk Konnected) & public (county government) become so blurred that there is no distinction?
A private company having so much influence over an elected government in America seems inconsistent with the founding principles of a representative republic. It leaves open vast opportunities for personal agendas guiding public policies and special interest pandering.
Hello Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
Isn't it time Elk Konnected, LLC and you upheld, what you
or your Followers said about
having an open and honest dialog with the
Citizens and Taxpayers of Elk County?
How about it Commissioner Hendricks
How about some accountability to the
Citizens and Taxpayers of Elk County?
Or will it be a continuation of
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"
Without ACCOUNTABILITY?
What happened to the $85,000 that you discussed earlier in this thread?
Has it been spent?
Is that why you need more
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money?
Did that money get handled like the Wellness Center?
How much more money does your organization need for your imaginary communnity, before you let the actual
/real communities have the money to provide recreation for their citizens to use as they see fit?
Without real answers how do you expect to be re-elected?
Yes, it's my honest and humble opinion.
And being the redneck hick, that I am without a college degree, I have to admit
I
plagerized some of this, well a lot of it.
Especially the line about sex. LOL
My parents taught me to Beware of People Bearing Gifts.
Especially, people bearing gifts With
"OPM" (other peoples' money) which I think includes
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money.
Elk County Taxpayers Money which is in the
County Coffers.You see, folks, this is how I see it works.
First they take
"OPM"other peoples money,
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money;
Then they offer you unsolicited gifts.
(Lollipops) Then they obligate you for those unsolicited gifts.
(Lollipops)Like a guy who buys dinner for a lady with stolen money and then tells the lady she owes him sex.
(No, no! Not in this case, that is being a bit facetious.)
.
It's more like, let us give
Tax Breaks, to our friends.
Let's have a bunch of money for
Economic Development to give to our friends.
Since
Economic Development, can be made so difficult, you won't understand it
We can do, whatever we want, right?
Be sure to vote in November and remember all the answers received on all thw questions I have asked on this thread.
I'd like to hear some answers, can anyone refute anything on this thread?
You are one sick, twisted person.
Oldtimer, are you on the receiving side or benefitting from government money ????
You can tell us.
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 04, 2012, 04:15:45 PM
You are one sick, twisted person.
Thank you for your honest opinion. It is quite refreshing.
However, you failed to dispute one single thing in this thread.
Why is that?
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 04, 2012, 04:33:36 PM
Oldtimer, are you on the receiving side or benefitting from government money ????
Or simply a blind defender of the un-American notion that rights flow from the government to the people and that government knows best how people should live their lives?
I read this somewhere about organizations, and I found it rather interesting:
Our ability to maintain control over the public perception of who we are and what we represent - Our ability to network within communities where we operate:
To undercut resistance to the movement where possible
We may throw them a bone here or there, in an attempt to create our message, but will not offer up meaningful change.
I failed, yes, I failed to get the link.
Just something to think about and those lollipops.
Perhaps we should Honesty, Integrity, Ethics a little bit.
I recently read something from a book who's manuscript was written in 1950 but not printed until 1991.
Really great stuff.
You asked for it.
I just received this list via E-mail from ekclerk@sktc.net
ELK COUNTY CANDIDATES FOR 2012 PRIMARY
County Clerk:
Vicky D. Wedman, Republican
County Treasurer:
Rachel D. Ware, Republican
Register of Deeds:
Neva L. Walter, Republican Incumbent
Sheriff:
Douglas L. Hanks, Democratic Incumbent
James C. Lear, Sr., Republican
County Attorney:
Mary Ann Shirley, Republican
Joe Lee, Republican
Commissioner District II:
Elizabeth Maria Hendricks, Democratic Incumbent
Gary D. Hebb, Republican
Commissioner District III:
K. R. (Ken) Liebau, Republican Incumbent
Randy J. Julian, Republican
Micky Wunderlich, Republican
Township Treasurer:
Vera Jontra, Painterhood, Republican
Township Trustee:
Judy Ellen Wiseman, Howard, Republican
Precinct Committeemen:
Stephen M. Cook, Republican, Elk Falls
Daniel Salander, Democratic, Howard
Mike Bellar, Republican, Howard
Douglas C. Ritz, Republican, Liberty
Mitchell R. Dowell, Republican, Oak Valley
Lawrence Jontra, Republican, Painterhood
Lynn Perkins, Republican, Union Center
Troy Bell, Democratic, Wildcat
David Evans, Republican, Wildcat
Precinct Committeewomen:
Aimie A. Cook, Republican , Elk Falls
Priscilla Liebau Rivers, Republican, Greenfield
Linda Rae Ritz, Republican, Liberty
Kandy K. Dowell, Republican, Oak Valley
Vera Jontra, Republican, Painterhood
Ann Bell, Democratic, Wildcat
Kathryn Evans, Republican, Wildcat
Now it's time to do some homework and consider where improvements, if any,can be made in the Elk County leadership structure. Looks like the Primary (August 7, 2012) will be pretty important in the District 3 commissioner & county attorney races. And the General election (November 6, 2012) in the races for District 2 commissioner & sheriff contests.... as well as that Obama contest.
Well, doggie! Now, ain't that just something!
I just received my monthly magazine called Kansas Country Living.
I wonder, does the editor of the magazine read what he prints in it?
Oh, I get the magazine free, not really, I'm certain it is calculated into operating cost, which I pay through my monthly utility bill. I pay for that propaganda, anyway that's my definition of it.
On page 20, is yet another monthly article that has an association with Public Square Communities, LLC.
Remember now our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner is on Public Square Communities, LLC's staff and monies from our County Coffers go to pay the dues or fees for Elk Konnected, LLC to be a part of that whole mess "er" organization. Sorry, about that.
Before I go on, I gotta say, I thought the article was nothing but gibberish, and it's a crying shame, I have to pay for garbage like that, via my utility bill. I have talked to others that feel the same way.
Continuing with the article, it is written by a Pastor in Kansas City, Wyandotte.
County, Kansas. What get's me about the whole thing is, what business does a pastor from Kansas City, Wyandotte County have, dissing Elk County along with 7 other S.E. Kansas County's.
Doesn't Kansas City and Wyandotte County have enough of their own problems for a preacher to tend to? Can't she better spend her time tending to the sinners in her area and tend to their health and Kansas City's drug problems and their peoples health problems? Can't she organize the Upper Eight? Or is she just coming down here to deal with the rednecks in the Podunk's?
She says, "The Lower Eight counties are some of the poorest in the region and have some of the highest death rates in the region from disease and cancer." This is hogwash, where are her statistics, what does she back it up with? What region is she talking about? Is it the region of the central US of A? Nothing, why? Hogwash that's why. Just dissing with a lot B. S. and I thought Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Square Community, LLC wanted to keep everything positive. Didn't our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, say she didn't mean to be dissing communities within Elk County when they started up? Yet, it appears to me that is the mode of operation, diss an area and then tell them what's good for them. And also tell them don't bring up anything negative. In other words leave that up to them. My opinion, but think about it, please.
She talks about Public Health and starting something, but to me it just isn't very clear what she want's to start! It sounds like she want's to start a network, that can then be manipulated and controlled, that's what it sounds like to me.
Why do I say that? Because we already have a Public Health Department, we have Medical Clinics. These are places anyone can go to get help and information about their health. So the lady talks, about getting leaders together for her to facilitate, what leaders? What, leaders would fall for this kind of line? She is keeping that information to herself, if there were any leaders or even any meetings? Why so secretive?
Oh, wait a minute, we have asked Elk Konnected, LLC some of the same thing haven't we? And we can't get any answers can we?
The pastor says," My plans as the facilitator did not work as planned, but did work." Now what the heck does that mean?
She said she navigated this regional community into a place of consensus by way of team work and collaboration. Now folk's to me that simply means she manipulated and controlled these people by using peer group pressure, if it actually took place.
The preacher said she was a neutral and objective facilitator? Huh?
Is your preacher in church a neutral and objective facilitator?
How would that work?
Doesn't your preacher facilitate your church services?
Sure, he or she does.
Your preacher prepares for the sermon and follows certain guidelines to keep the church services moving down the right path. He or she has goals for the sermon as well, just as any facilitator would?
Is there anything neutral or objective about him during that service?
I don't think so, I think the preacher would be locked in, on completing his mission of delivering the word of God, the gospel.
And this preacher / facilitator is saying she is being neutral and objective while trying to meet her goal.
To me that is a hard one to choke down.
If this preacher really believes there is a bigger health problem here, then where she lives in Wyandotte
County, I would suggest she open her eyes and look around Kansas City a little closer.
I'd ask her the following:
How many homeless people do we have in Elk County?
How many homeless people are there in Douglas County?
Don't those homeless people in your county, have a greater need for health care, then the homeless ones we don't have in Elk County?
How many of those homeless are family's with small children?
Can't this preacher do God's work in Kansas City, Wyandotte County?
Why would a preacher want to be involved in politics?
Is it to Build that network of political leaders for a matter of control?
Can't get it done in Wyandotte County, so let's take it to the podunks, is that the idea?
Oh, but we shouldn't question preachers should we?
But lot's of preachers have been questioned in recent years by the police and for good reason. Remember?
Yes "Oldfart" I'm twisted, especially when things stink to high heaven.
We need to get the vote out in November for new County Commissioners!
We need to get our County on track to tend to everyone County Business and not be sending money from the County Coffers to Leoti, Kansas or Kansas City, Kansas!
I think it would be an excellent idea to break this invisible chain that keeps expanding. This could possibly lead to less money leaving Elk County to Leoti, Kansas, me thinks?
Let's all vote in November.
Its fun to see some midwestern redneck using the term "dissing." If only you knew the origination of the fake word. If you want to make english the national language, better be sure you know how to use it first.
Quote from: Anmar on June 06, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
Its fun to see some midwestern redneck using the term "dissing." If only you knew the origination of the fake word. If you want to make english the national language, better be sure you know how to use it first.
Well.. well... the schmuck is back. Hey Ross... Anmar "may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let that fool you. He really is an idiot." (from the harmonious sounds of Cool J, "I been dissin' you"
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img3/20100719/640/unusual_camp_for_640_03.jpg)
Been to sand-flea camp, sport? Don't tell me that they have renovated al farouq again. Or was it... wait a minute... Wow... I know. It had to be the Camp Hamas for Kids, right?!? Did you get to wear a little green beanie and carry a plastic rifle around?
(http://www.urbanenergyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/army_baby-300x237.jpg)
I understand the camp's curriculum still includes firearm training and military drills in order to nurture the next generation of militants. But what happened? Usually camp lasts until labor day... aaaah.. they kicked you out, huh? Did you get to keep your martyrs pictures? Come on... fill us in on Camp Hamas 2012.
Quote from: Anmar on June 06, 2012, 11:15:38 AM
Its fun to see some midwestern redneck using the term "dissing." If only you knew the origination of the fake word. If you want to make english the national language, better be sure you know how to use it first.
Todays usage is what counts my friend and if you check Merriam Webster, you would find, I correctly used the word.
The orgin a\has nothing to do with todays usage, just like so many other words.
Definition of DIS
transitive verb
slang: to treat with disrespect or contempt : insult
slang: find fault with : criticize
Beyond that, did you understand the message.
I'm not just a redneck, let's clear that up okay, I'm a proud redneck-hick who had his fill of city life.
Thank you.
And have yourself a great day.
When conceived it was a project of almost unimaginable boldness and foolhardiness, requiring great bravura, risking great hubris. —Simon Winchester, The Professor and the Madman, 1998
What if something is Lost in in it's non-existent imaginary reality, what then?
I think Thomas Jefferson put it best in his 1816 letter to John Taylor: "I sincerely believe, with you, that banking institutions are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." (And in my opinion other institutions qualify equally well no matter the scale of funding.)
However, the inference is that you would prefer that citizens who disagree with the President and his policies refrain from voicing their own viewpoint. Clearly, that's not the way a free society should operate. (And again, I believe that applies equally well here at home.)
If we can get the county Commissioners to assume that the taxpayers and the voters in this county are watching, perhaps they will act differently. I'm not asking you to side with anyone or to assume anything, I say is the truth. I am only suggesting that the more people that pay attention as individually concerned citizens of Elk County.....could make a difference. I believe we have seen the effects of this action through the spending of the wind farm money. We did not see the money turned over to private organizations. But we did see the money used for county roads and paying down the County Debt. Keep up the good work folks.
From the small high school coach to the Vatican, plenty of so called leaders and highly respected members of the community overstep their boundaries, and have shown a lack of ethics. So respect needs to be tendered gently in my humble opinion.
I read this somewhere about organizations, and I found it rather interesting:
Our ability to maintain control over the public perception of who we are and what we represent - Our ability to network within communities where we operate:
To undercut resistance to the movement where possible
To join with other organizations like, raising a common message
We may throw them a bone here or there, in an attempt to create our message, but will not offer up meaningful change.
True leadership requires principles, integrity, honesty, ethics and openness to ones employees or constituents.
There are always individuals or small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of imperical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome. Such as surveys and lists they turn over to County Commissioners as shown on page one of this thread.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of anonymity, then others must ask why. What does the individual or group have to gain (or lose) by the presentation of unadulterated facts or statistical analysis?
"I am as desirous of being a good neighbor as I am of being a bad subject."
Really don't you think questions should be asked and shouldn't they be answered honestly and openly, not
Behind closed doors?
I repeat:
True leadership requires principles, integrity, honesty, ethics and openness to ones employees or constituents. Anything less should be unacceptable, in my humble opinion.
WARPh, you are a hoot ;D
Here is some more
Vulgar and
Twisted thinking, sorry I actually mean
questions!True leadership requires
principles, integrity, honesty, ethics and openness to ones employees and/or constituents. Anything less should be
unacceptable, in my humble opinion. And that includes every day actions.
What do you think?Check today's newspaper page 3. Left hand column right below Area Deaths. What do you see? I see in large print:
Elk Konnected Day camps
Will begin next week
I think it was either polite of them or maybe a strain on them to then say:
Elk County and
Elk Konnected will be sponsoring a Kids Day Camp this summer in five communities located in the
Elk Konnected area.
I wonder which it was, was it polite or a strain?
Didn't they do the samething last year? I call it hi-jacking, what would you call it?
And what the heck,
Elk Konnected is mentioned three times in the article and Elk County only once, why do you suppose that is?
Don't we as taxpayers pay the
Elk County Youth Development Employee to acquire the funds for this event as an
Elk County Summer Day Camp?Don't we as taxpayers pay the
Elk County Youth Development Employee pay this employee to operate this
Elk County Day Camp?Are Elk County taxpayers required to fund Severy's Summer Day Camp? Why?
Is it because
Elk Konnected has some imaginary area that extends outside of Elk County?
Does Greenwood County where Severy is located, fund anything in Elk County?
Don't get me wrong, I like Severy, but they are not located in the Elk County taxing area, they don't pay taxes in Elk County to support our County Government.
What are our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected Youth Development Employee thinking? What's next Elk City in Montgomery County?
What exactly does
Elk Konnected, LLC have to do with the
Elk County Summer Day Camp, except for having Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and also having our Konnected Youth Development Employee on their steering committee?
How much money is
Elk Konnected, LLC putting into the event?
Is our
Elk County Youth Development Employee acting in
Elk County's best interest or in
Elk Konnected, LLC's best interest?
Where are the principles, integrity, honesty, ethics and openness in this situation?Would someone please point out the principles, integrity, honesty, ethics and openness in this situation?
Would someone please answer some questions?
How about some answers Elk Konnected, LLC or Elk County Commissioners? Remember to Vote In November
So oldfart, if ya think I'm twisted, what do you think of this teachers commencement speech.
But first just because someone thinks they are special and gives themselves special recognition or gives themselves a special name, doesn't make them special. Especially, when they have to have another organization tell them what to do and pay them, for telling them what to do. There just is no creativity in that. Just bullying or pulling strings to accomplish nothing. I'd really be ashamed of myself if I had that attirude. Oh, well!
Just my opinion. Just something to think about.
Check out this twisted teacher telling the true facts of life.
Social media was buzzing about a Boston-area high school teacher's blunt commencement speech that told students they "are not special."
Wellesley High English teacher David McCullough Jr. told graduates "You are not special. You are not exceptional," quoting empirical evidence:
"Across the country no fewer than 3.2 million seniors are graduating about now from more than 37,000 high schools. That's 37,000 valedictorians ... 37,000 class presidents ... 92,000 harmonizing altos ... 340,000 swaggering jocks ... 2,185,967 pairs of Uggs," he said in the speech published in the Boston Herald.
He added: "Even if you're one in a million, on a planet of 6.8 billion that means there are nearly 7,000 people just like you."
McCullough makes a statement on parents who overdo it in a modern society focused on collecting achievements. "You've been pampered, cosseted, doted upon, helmeted, bubble wrapped ... feted and fawned over and called sweetie pie." But he adds in a video on Wellesley Channel TV YouTube page, "You see, if everyone is special, then no one is. If everyone gets a trophy, trophies become meaningless. ... We have of late, we Americans, to our detriment, come to love accolades more than genuine achievement."
McCullough's address does push students to recognize real achievement: "The fulfilling life, the distinctive life, the relevant life is an achievement," and he encourages graduates "to do whatever you do for no reason other than you love it and believe in its importance."
But near the end of the address he says, "The sweetest joys of life, then, come only with the recognition that you're not special. Because everyone is."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/high-school-graduation-speaker-tells-students-not-special-145709954.html
So, there you see, everyone in Elk County is special. I am Not discussing organizations that try to tell us what to do, by other organizations telling them what to do for pay. Nothing special there, is there? That just sounds like a give me your money scheme and get to take from the county & city & school coffers and then look important. Just moronic thinking in my opinion?
Everyone in Elk County is special. Get it!
Well, there was no mention in the paper this week about Elk Konnected, LLC.
But, I read the Guest Editorial by the President of the Howard Chamber of Commerce telling us how we should volunteer, so we can feel good about ourselves. Really?
(I do happen to like the author of the article, but I disagree with him on volunteering)
Do I need to volunteer for some organization in order to feel good about myself?
I don't think, I need some organization, telling me what I need to do, to feel good about myself or what good deeds I need to perform?
Do you as an adult need someone telling you what or how to perform voluntary good deeds you choose to do on your own?
I don't Think so.
I do my best to help my neighbors and friends and even strangers when the occasion presents it's self.
Do I need to brag about it or publicize everything I do in a charitable effort? I don't think so! Do you think, I do?
I noticed they left Elk Konnected, LLC, I wonder why? Do you suppose there might be a sequel to this Guest Editorial?
Perhaps by another Guest Editorial?
But remember the Konnections between this newspaper and various organizations and governments in Elk County?
It just sounds and smells fishy to me?
But let's wait and see!
Maybe next week or a few weeks down the road?
But, I have to ask once again, if all these so called leaders out there, have any answers, why don't they post them right here?
Why are all their communications one-way???
For instance, how is Elk Konnected, LLC sponsoring the Elk County Summer Day Camp?
I bet no one has a legitimate answer to that question!
You are even against Volunteering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW, without the hardworking volunteers, Elk County would not have had 2 fairs, 2 Rodeos, The famous Longton Free Barbecue,the Elk River Festival, The Outhouse Contest, etc. I guess you are saying do away with Cub Scouts, Brownies, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, the Red Cross, The American Legion, The Flag displays at the cemeteries on Memorial Day, 4H, Church Programs. The volunteers are what makes things happen. With your always negative attitude I would think the voters would do well to vote for everyone you are against. Come to think of it, volunteers is what makes this Forum Possible.
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
...the Elk River Festival...
Would that be the same Festival that the Chamber has cancelled this year due do a lack of volunteers? As for all the groups & events you mention, I'm all in favor of volunteerism.... but when people are manipulated or humiliated into participation by any group or private LLC, it isn't volunteerism... it's indentured servitude. Why would you favor slavery or participation by humiliation or threat?
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
I would think the voters would do well to vote for everyone you are against.
If you actually believe that the voters of Elk County should make such an important decision based on who you think Ross or I are supposedly against, then you must not think very highly of the voters. Are they so dull, in your view, that they shouldn't do their own research, talk to the candidates themselves, look at existing policies and make their minds up individually rather than as some blind herd following a grain truck?
I choose to believe they are much smarter than that. Now that's positive, no?
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
You are even against Volunteering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW,
Now that's really twisting what I said, a whole lot of twsting in my opinion.
I said, people don't require being told they have to volunteer.
I also said, the goodwill they do for friends, neighbors and even strangers are not required to be published.
They also don't need people like you telling them, they can feel good about their own accomplishments.
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
I guess you are saying do away with Cub Scouts, Brownies, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, the Red Cross, The American Legion, The Flag displays at the cemeteries on Memorial Day, 4H, Church Programs.
Never once, have I even had that kind of thought.
Why didn't you mention
Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in that paragraph?
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
With your always negative attitude I would think the voters would do well to vote for everyone you are against. Come to think of it, volunteers is what makes this Forum Possible.
Sir, if you have missed them, I have thanked the owners of the forum several times for providing the form of communication and I was very sincere about it.
Is it a negative attitude to tell the people of Elk County they are just as special as any other person in Elk County, or that no one else in Elk County is any better then they are?
Have you heard me once say who to vote for or who to vote against? I didn't think so!
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
With your always negative attitude I would think the voters would do well to vote for everyone you are against.
Isn't that a truely negative attitude on your part?
I find you very amazing in your negative message, which lacks any information, about who to vote for or against.
Bad communication technic IMHO.
And how would you or anyone know who I was for or against?
I think you are just ass/u/ming and perhaps don't realize that is the wrong thing to do?
Just the same, I encourage everyone to get out and vote, without telling any one who to vote for!
How about you?
Are you going to tell them they have to volunteer for some group?
Are you going to tell them who they have to vote for?
I'd enjoy seeing 100% participation in voting by every eligible voter in Elk County.
Wouldn't you like to see that Oldtimer?
Just a little political humor or not?
Your choice.
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 14, 2012, 10:48:34 AM
You are even against Volunteering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW,
I received a phone call at 7:00 am this morning concerning bad news for Moline.
Since, I live out in the country I was not aware, that lightning had struck the Christian Church in Moline last night and that it had burned to the ground. I was devastated by the news, not because I am a member of the church, but because, I know Preacher Stan and a few of the members of the congregation. Just to let you know, I am not a church going person and I don't belong to any church. However, I do believe strongly in God.
I went to town this morning to offer any help, I might be able to provide. I offered myself and my tractor, which has a backhoe that can be attached if needed.
I then helped the preacher and a few of the church members move a pulpit/podium and a piano from what use to be the nursing home, now the Swing Bridge Café to the American Legion. Those pianos are very cotton picking heavy. I simply wanted to be helpful in anyway, I could. These are some really fine people and a lot of others offered their churches, etc!
A little humor goes a long way. After we were finished the preacher told me and everyone there, that the Devil heard I was planning to be in church this Sunday and he had to burn the church down to keep me from going! Was I offended, definitly not.Humor is needed during hard times and it was quite humorous. Really good people IMHO.
Is it really necessary for me to broadcast this info?
NO, it is not!
But to appease you, I did, this time only!
I'm not meaning to blow my own horn, but I have volunteered many times unbeknownst to you and many other people.
Do I need some leader of some organization to tell me to volunteer, or where to volunteer?
No sir, I nor anyone else needs that.
Only the organization leaders need that, to build a Name for their organization.
Do I need a County Commissioner at the Commissioner spouting off at the top of his voice, that I should volunteer?
Again NO! That is not his job while serving the people of Elk County at a County Commissioners meeting, now is it?
Now, I ask you Oldtimer does this show, I am against volunteering? NO!It just shows, that when supposed leaders cross the line, they are wrong, IMHO.
Thank You.
Where was your
Elk Konnected, LLC's volunteers this morning?
Oh, it wasn't an Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting,
where they could ask for
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money was it?
It wasn't an
Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Konversation that they could publicize in the local newspaper, was it?
Yes, I am being sarcastic, so what?
Elk Konnected, LLC nor any of it's followers are good enough to respond to decent questions, why?
Perhaps, they will answer to sarcasm, do ya reckon?
So feel free to hammer me all you want, I shall not be offended.
That is a good question. where are the EK volenteers since their big thingis that they are there for the community. Guess there wasn't enough money in it for them.
Right.
By the way, I don't think Ross is out to form an organization to raise money for recognition.
Ya gotta wonder what Oldtimer's motives are. Is he looking to be the receiving end of government provisions?
Or maybe he's already taking 'em.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 17, 2012, 06:56:50 AM
Right.
By the way, I don't think Ross is out to form an organization to raise money for recognition.
Ya gotta wonder what Oldtimer's motives are. Is he looking to be the receiving end of government provisions?
Or maybe he's already taking 'em.
You are right Redcliffsw, I had my fill of organizations many years ago.
And I have never begged for money.I've always got my money the old fashioned way, honest way, I've worked for it, I've always earned my own money. Never
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money.I sure wouldn't start an organization in Elk County,
that had to have another organization,
from outside the County that required,
that I pay them to let me run my organization,
Would you? How stupid is that? Shows a total lack of leadership in my way of thinking!
Also, shows a lack of ability and imagination, creativity and intelligence in my opinion!
Wouldn't matter how many degrees
ya might have, still lacks leadership qualities, IMHO!
Fit's right up there with
Begging for money from the coffers of the county taxpayers, doesn't it?
All of that though definitely shows the ability to follow mindlessly, right?
Think about that for a minute!
Begging to pay some other privately owned company from the County Coffers.
And having to do as they say, or
????? ????? WHAT ?????But lets cut to the chase,
Does everyone in Elk County have to follow like lemmings?
Only, if you don't want to be dissed or don't want to be called names.
Who's idea was it to have an
Elk County Youth Development Employee?Why, the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners said at a Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting that it was
Elk Konnected, LLC's idea.
Who else do our County Commissioners and County Employees work for?
Call it volunteering or whatever you want, I think their loyalties are misplaced.
Kommissioner Hendricks claimed to be the founder of
Elk Konnected, LLC and has been on it's steering committee (or as I prefer, their Board of Directors) since it inception.
Isn't She is also employed by
Public Squares Communitties, LLC which is the privately owned company that
Elk Konnected, LLC begs the Elk County Government for Money to pay that company with, isn't she?
How sweet an arrangement is that? I wonder how much of Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks salary at
Public Squares Communities, LLC is paid with
Elk County Coffers, while she is working for
Public Squares Communitties, LLC ? Personally, I would think even a quarter of a dollar would be too much, that's my personal opinion.
What other Elk County Employee is Konnected?
That's right the
Elk County Youth Development Employee is on the
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee (Or Board of Governors as I prefer to call it).
Does that also make her the
Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Development Action Team Member ?????
Then how about Konnected Kommissioner Leibau who brags at Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Meetings about
Elk Konnected, LLC and calls these post's
VILE at the same meetings, who do their loyalties really belong to ?????
Another question isn't
Elk Konnected, LLC actually, only an extension of
Public Squares Communities, LLC ????? Doesn't that tend to imply something about control of our county?
Do we want a different
LLC, from Leoti, Wichita County, Kansas and or Kansas City involved in / or controlling our Elk County Government and School Governments?
Then there is also the issue of
Community Revitalization, which is another way of saying, "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" for
money, IMHO. Is that perhaps another idea of
Elk Konnected, LLC, Konnected Kounty Kommissioners ? Under the guise of Econoic Development ?
That is not a rural program, really what is a community?
Do you find communities as this program relates to in towns, and cities or on county roads?
If you think something is wrong here
Vote!If you find nothing the slight's bit unethical stay home.
Of, course it's your choice. Just suggesting.
Of course, I don't really mean stay home! Personally, I think we need private business out of local government, just like we need the Corporations out of Federal Government. Don't you?
Did we vote the private business and Corporations in office?
In my way of thinking, everything is inside out, upside down and backwards with all the twisting of words aimed mainly out of greed for
"OPM" Other
Peoples
Money, including But not limited to
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbors" Money. Please VOTE. Please VOTE. Please VOTE. Please VOTE. Please VOTE.
I spoke with a good Christian Gentleman this morning and we finally got around to politics in Elk County.
He informed me that an awful lot of people are upset/unhappy and talking about the possibilities of a lot of changes after election day.
I have only met the Gentleman twice, so I don't really know him, however, he sounded very credible.
I just don't believe too many people are happy with all the twisting of words and manipulation of our local government or what is being told to us, by certain entities.
I believe most of the citizens of Elk County want a fair and equal shake for all citizens, from our County Government and a more open and honest County Government, that is more interested in the county as a whole and not just one community or just one rural area.
One lone Commissioner can not accomplish such a thing, no matter how hard he try's, because, it takes two commissioners to vote for any good change to take effect.
It's my personal opinion that we need at least one new Commissioner to have a decent change in attitude.
And in my humble opinion any good old redneck hick with some common sense and desire to take care of the county debts and is willing to have discussions, and even disagree and question to the point of heated discussion in order for the three commissioners to come to the proper answers, would be proper. Friendly arguments are and can be a good thing.
Are there any candidates that might fit that description? I don't know any of them well enough to know, I might know them, if I see them.
So, if someone could offer up some suggestions, I'd love to here them. It would be a big help, in making my decision.
Can anyone tell me anything about the canidates?
I'm not asking who you are planning to vote for, that is not the intent. I just don't know the canidates.
I think it would be nice, to have town hall meeting, to hear from the canidates, and have an open question and answer session.
Perhaps they will show up at Moline Crazy Days or other festivals this summer.
QuoteI think it would be nice, to have town hall meeting, to hear from the canidates, and have an open question and answer session.
Hey Ross! Why don't we get the Elk Konnected group to sponsor this in the name of "community Services!" That way, the monies to host this would be of the taxpayers, by the taxpayers and for the taxpayers' future.......PLUS, you could get escorted out gently AGAIN!!!
<<<<sarcasm level - OFF>>>>>> :D
ready
LOL
I love it Ready. And of course I would, I have twisted and vulgar thinking.
Do you think they would have the guts, the initiative, the leadership abilities to call a Kommunity Konversation?
One with actual open and honest conversation?
One with constructive criticism?
That would be a hoot!
Never happen but good idea, me thinks.
LOL
That is a good idea. Not only to meet them, but see what they would do for the county if they were to be elected. 8)
Quote from: Lookatmeknow!! on June 20, 2012, 12:21:52 PM
That is a good idea. Not only to meet them, but see what they would do for the county if they were to be elected. 8)
I don't think it will ever happen, why?
People might ask who's
Konnected and who is not?
People might ask who is interested only in one small area of Elk County or if they are interested in the County as a whole.
People might ask who want's
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs and who doesn't?
I know, I would definitly ask!
Another question would be are your interests the same as the majority (not the minority) of Elk County residents?
Now that would be a tough question to answer, wouldn't it?
Let's see the so called leaders step forward, with a
real, town hall type meeting, a real community conversation, with question and answer sessions.
Never happen, IMHO!
This would be a good time to see how the people feel about the negative crap that Ross and Patriot put out. It would be a ggod time to bring ot the "TOSS ROSS" and the "PUTT PATRIOT" signs. My neighbor made a good point yesterday, he says "do you realize that neither Ross or Patriot are are native Elk Countians" and do you notice their two main supporters do not live in Elk County, have never lived in Elk County, do not own land in Elk County, do not pay taxes in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County.
Aw, but a lot of Ross / Patriot supporters are native to Elk county and have lived here their whole life. My "almost neighbor" made a good point not long ago. She said," do you realize that the reverse side of the Ross /Patriot coin do not even live in this fine state, let alone Elk county" I think it's all hog wash because correct me if I'm wrong, but I think both Ross & Patriot DO live in Elk county, both landowners and both pay taxes to the county so seems they should have a say so in how their tax dollars are spent
Duh, I think Boris and Natasha need to go along with Fearless Leader. New squirrels all around! ;)
okay Bullwinkle:
I have thought back to my Thai stick experincing days, but could never remember them. :o
Then I remembered the MAD MAgazine reference to Boris and Natasha....they were spys......I .loved theMad fold a plot at the end (a teenage Playboy, if you will)
However....your posts have in my honest opinion have nothing to do with a discussion at hand. It is a convoluted attempt at pre-teen humor that I believe is unwarranted.
Why don't you just say what you think without any references to quote or a parable to chastise????
ready to remember that beach and walking...walking...walking.... ??? ;D
Wait a minute!!!!!!!!
You seem to think Ross and Patriot, et al are spies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Oldtimer on June 20, 2012, 01:52:52 PM
This would be a good time to see how the people feel about the negative crap that Ross and Patriot put out. It would be a ggod time to bring ot the "TOSS ROSS" and the "PUTT PATRIOT" signs. My neighbor made a good point yesterday, he says "do you realize that neither Ross or Patriot are are native Elk Countians" and do you notice their two main supporters do not live in Elk County, have never lived in Elk County, do not own land in Elk County, do not pay taxes in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County.
Sir, your statement reeks of negativity.
I'd like to politely remind you, when pointing a finger at someone, you have three poinying back at yourself.
If it helps:
I am a native Kansan for what that's worth.
I am a property owner in Elk County.
I live on that property.
I pay taxes on that property.
I Vote in Elk County.
All this gives me the same rights as someone born, raised in and never left Elk County. So what is your point?
I have also served my country, which allows me to say that I am a 10 year veteran of the VietNam war.
Don't you have any respect for Veterans?
I also served my country for ten years as a civil servant.
I think most of the Elk County Citizens are tired of Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and I believe we will find out at election time.
And most likely tired of people that call other people names in an attempt to control.
Just what good information have you provided this community about
Elk Konnected, LLC?Can you show anything they have done besides leach off of the county for their
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"money?
Leaching off the County by claiming some sort of responsibility for the Elk County Summer Day Camps?
What have you got to report good about
Elk Konnected, LLC? Everyone is waiting with baited breath to hear it.
All we seem to get out of you
Elk Konnected Followers is
bullying, what kind of organization behaves so terribly?
Answers is what we have been asking for, for more then a year!
And what do we get bullying.
Probably, because there is no answer, except for the
"Old Guard" wanting to continue to control Elk County Government, right?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 20, 2012, 04:37:09 PM
Duh, I think Boris and Natasha need to go along with Fearless Leader. New squirrels all around! ;)
Duh, Rocky the squirrel is Bullwinkle's buddy.
And both seem to get into a lot of trouble in their cartoon.
Thought I'd be kind and let you know about the squirrel, so you would have it right.
So are you switching now that you know?
Or, perhaps you can tell us exactly what
Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished besides commandeering our County Commission, adoringly know as Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
You don't have any answers either do you?
Just more attempts at
bullying for you, right?
Ready to be ignorant to humor! ::) ::) . Ah well the thai stick may have something to do with that. Pre-teen humor ::) . You are beyond help, where is the age limit on humor?
The cartoon is right up your alley Rossy, so why take offense?
Might I have meant, Boris (Ken) and Natasha (Liz) ? Come on boys, get a grip.
I am really hurt, Ross , that you would consider me an enemy. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 20, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
The cartoon is right up your alley Rossy, so why take offense?
My apologies in advance.
You are the cartoon.
You cannot seem to provide any reasonable answers to any intellegent questions.
Even you moniker comes from a cartoon.
Now, that's funny.
The devil madee mee do it!
Forgive me Lord.
Am I offended, never!
I am
above being offended by arrogant ignorance and cartoon characters.
I find it amusing that you thnk you can offend me.
I am so Sorry to
Disappoint you.
But about
Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the
"Old Guard" that
Elk Konnected, LLC referred to in one of their letters, don't you see the konnection between them?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 20, 2012, 08:33:52 PM
I am really hurt, Ross , that you would coonsider me an enemy. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Well get unhurt.
I don't consider you an enema ER enemy,(doggone devil) that would be hateful and not nice.
I am not a hateful person, I could sit down with you for a cup of coffe and a B. S. session anytine.
I just wish you would provide something worth while.
The humor is slightly entertaining but is mediocre at best.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 20, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
However....your posts have in my honest opinion have nothing to do with a discussion at hand. It is a convoluted attempt at pre-teen humor that I believe is unwarranted.
Ready...
I'm thinking you're right. Obtuse & convoluted thinking, planning and communication as well as adolescent approaches to problem solving is a mainstay with some in these parts. Perhaps that's why so many questions go unanswered and so many choose to blindly follow the music of the Pipers in Power.
This whole thread is one big cartoon. A bunch of finger pointing and back slapping. It has accomplished absolutely nothing except make certain people feel empowered by slighting others and boasting about what they think they know. It would work well with the three stooges playing the parts. Patriot, Moe since he thinks he's the smartest person in the county. Ross, Larry since he follows Patriots lead all the time. Duck, Curly just because he's relatively clueless.
BTW, Mad magazine had nothing to do with the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. It's obvious my posts went completely over you stooges heads. Since you are always looking to retaliate against those who don't like you, you missed the point. ::)
You call this a discussion ? Better google the definition of that word. I expected the response of immature, adolescent, yadda, yadda, you can find it many ,many times on here as a way to belittle anyone who puts forward any view opposed to the stooges.
Larry er Ross, I HAVE sat and BS'ed with you, :o I actually like you. You have great staying power ;) I just don't always agree, no problem.
Patriot, ( now there's a conflict of terms ) you're hopeless , you offer nothing but a broken record. :-* :P
Curly, Ready for the loony bin. :laugh:
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 21, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
Larry er Ross, I HAVE sat and BS'ed with you, :o I actually like you. You have great staying power ;) I just don't always agree, no problem.
Now that is really nice to know. Thank you.I truely appreciate the honesty.
I'm bad enough at stepping in it, as it is. LOL
I have no problem with disagreeing with you, none what-so-ever.
That's what makes the world go around, as long as anger doesn't get involved.
You have roused my curiosity as to who you are.
Before these recent remarks I really didn't care.
The reason I'm curious is because I would never really mean to offend anyone, especially some one I appreciate.
Especially, someone that I can agree to disagree with.
I'm just a neighbor who basically wants the same thing you do, to see our tax money spent well, improve what we can, see justice done,(probably the hardest to get).
One reason I like you is that you do not try to offend, denegrate, or belittle. Others do.
Actually I agree with you on many points, I think what has turned some people off is your repetition. I'd have voted for you, believe it or not. Same as I intend to vote for Ron Paul, labeled by the media as a loon. This world needs a great big shake up, new blood, those who want to help, not help themselves.
QuoteBTW, Mad magazine had nothing to do with the Rocky and Bullwinkle show
You are correct! I mistook for Spy vs. spy.
Since you are now having a 'discussion'.... welcome! and agree to disagree.
ready
Bullwinkle:
I do not live in Elk County. I will make that clear. However, Public Squares is trying to insert themselves into Wilson County.
I first started questioning this thread as I was concerned Big Business was in bed with Big Commisioners and re-directing monies in the coffer (your monies) to personal issues. For that I was concerned as it "just ain't right" as well as unethical.
So, my following this thread is to question: 1. Are the Commissioners bought with invested interest in Public Squares AKA Konnected? 2. Would this be a different thread if 2 Commisioners weren't on the board? (that would be hypothetical), and 3. If 1 & 2 are correct, are the taxpayers aware and whant staus quo, or prefer a change?
It trickles down from a great idea to a flat out disaster for all.
just 'xplaining my loonies.
read
Well, my friend, I'm right there with you on Ron Paul.
Who knows, maybe, people will wake up and see we need real change a whole lot less of "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" monies and a whole lot less or even no free money to other countries.
The repitition is because, people say Elk Konnected, LLC is doing so much good for Elk County and I just don't see it. The repitition is because there are no answers. Yes, I too am tiring of the repitition. But as you pointed out in a much nicer way, I'm hard headed, even bull headed.
Every time someone does something, it appears to me that Elk Konnected, LLC claims to sponsor it, ie: Elk County Summer Day Camp put thieir logo on a County Event put together by a paid county Employee. Perhaps, that is because the young lady works for Kounty Kommissioner the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC perhaps this same employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering committy because, she also works for the same Kounty Kommissioner. But who actually pays her wages. The Konnected Kounty Kommissioners or the taxpayers? I have absolutely nothing against the young lady, I have compassion for her and what I think of as her precarious position. I had found myself in a similar situation as an employee and simply transferred out to a better position with better pay.
Also, it was like the big Kommunity Konversation about daycare in Elk County when in fact another organization had already been working on the problem well before Elk Konnected, LLC thought to do anythng, IMHO! But what have they done, since that meeting? Nothing? Anything? No answers. They have asked for more "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money since then, haven't they? Aren't they gonna use some of that money to purchase Elk Konnected, LLC T-shirts to try to sell to us? I bet they don't include the LLC which indicates a privately owned company on the T-shirt, and I bet they won't say purchased with tax dollar money on them, what do you think?
Repetition is what Elk Konnected, LLC uses to bombard the county citizens with and I don't hear any complaints about that, why?
Every week in the newspaper there is something about Elk Konnected, LLC . Repetitious, correct!
I would like to know why they keep begging for money (reptitous) when not to many months back we had a conversation with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks about something like $85,000, what happened to all that money? And what happened to all those generous donors to Elk Konnected, LLC Why should Elk County continue to give them money that should rightly go to the vaious communities? Why should a privately owned company beg for money and receive it, especially when it is used for advertisement for their company? And also, when there is no accountability for the money?
Oh, yes sir, I have plenty of questions? Questions for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. Like, why do they get so upset about citizens asking questions about their privately owned organization? Why do they consider honest questions vile, and state so at the County Commissioners meeting? Is it because of being part of what Elk Konnected, LLC refered to as "The Old Guard" , is it possible that Elk Konnected, LLC is just that, with a new name?
I have no idea who, "The Old Guard" is or/ was but I bet Elk Konnected, LLC does and that they could share that with everyone, Don't you think?
Let's get every one out to vote in the primaries in August and see what shake loose?
If someone in my area needs a ride in to vote I volunteer to drive them in.
Only one condition.
We do not discuss politics driving to the voting station.
Quote from: Ross on June 21, 2012, 05:44:36 PM
Let's get every one out to vote in the primaries in August and see what shake loose?
If someone in my area needs a ride in to vote I volunteer to drive them in.
Only one condition.
We do not discuss politics driving to the voting station.
Say it ain't so? That sounds like a volunteering of your time, fuel & labor, Ross! But I remember one of the Followers recently saying you were against volunteerism! Perhaps that person should re-evaluate. And maybe apologize. How about it, Oldtimer? Man or mouse?
Good job Ross!
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 21, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
This whole thread is one big cartoon. A bunch of finger pointing and back slapping. It has accomplished absolutely nothing except make certain people feel empowered by slighting others and boasting about what they think they know. It would work well with the three stooges playing the parts. Patriot, Moe since he thinks he's the smartest person in the county. Ross, Larry since he follows Patriots lead all the time. Duck, Curly just because he's relatively clueless.
BTW, Mad magazine had nothing to do with the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. It's obvious my posts went completely over you stooges heads. Since you are always looking to retaliate against those who don't like you, you missed the point. ::)
You call this a discussion ? Better google the definition of that word. I expected the response of immature, adolescent, yadda, yadda, you can find it many ,many times on here as a way to belittle anyone who puts forward any view opposed to the stooges.
Larry er Ross, I HAVE sat and BS'ed with you, :o I actually like you. You have great staying power ;) I just don't always agree, no problem.
Patriot, ( now there's a conflict of terms ) you're hopeless , you offer nothing but a broken record. :-* :P
Curly, Ready for the loony bin. :laugh:
And the above isn't slanderous, adolescent and demeaning on a personal level? Perhaps you could Google hypocrite.
Smartest? I doubt it. Just well informed.
By way of compliment, however... nice paragraph indention and use of smileys.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 21, 2012, 05:06:11 PM
However, Public Squares is trying to insert themselves into Wilson County.
And, I've been told, successfully so in at least one town.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/fredonia/ (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/fredonia/)
My problem with your concern and devotion to seeing our local government work as it should, is that you tend to alienate many people that would agree with you, and support your cause, by the way you present it. I know , you will say "Why sugar coat it ". Well, to have people "see" what is happening, you need to put forth the information so that, First: they understand it, Second : It is a matter of fact, and most important, Third: They do not percieve you as just another repeat of what has been happening already.
You can present the facts in a better way. No need for personal reproach. A bit of comedy could gain you back the listeners. Look at Warph's post's , and his following. You can't shove the truth down someone's throat. Many visit this thread to see the Circus.
And Moe, not the smartest, and not always well informed. ::) ::) . As said earlier, adolescent , immature , Yadda,
Yadda, is your answer to anyone not in your camp. No one is more immature on this Forum than You. ::) ::) ::)
Ready, I neglected to acknowledge your welcome! :-[ And it is exceptional of you to put forth the reason for your interest in this thread.
Loonies Xplained. Thing is , I just started with a very inert post and got jumped on. No problem. I've watched this thread for a while and know you are level headed. I would like to see people like yourself and Ross convince our neighbors that we need to watch what is going on, just need to treat them as a neighbor. ;) I have already stated, ambiguously, I am for a new guard on every level. Time for new blood, top to bottom.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 21, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
My problem with your concern and devotion to seeing our local government work as it should, is that you tend to alienate many people that would agree with you, and support your cause, by the way you present it. I know , you will say "Why sugar coat it ". Well, to have people "see" what is happening, you need to put forth the information so that, First: they understand it, Second : It is a matter of fact, and most important, Third: They do not percieve you as just another repeat of what has been happening already.
My sincere apologies to you and anyone else who has misinterpreted my information or intent based on presentation. I will examine my part in that. I would ask, however, that we all accept that understanding in communication is a two way street requiring as much diligent effort on the part of the reader as there on the poster. I'll gladly apply some sugar, if you'll also be ready to accept that not all pastries are heavily coated in chocolate. And please remember, it's the message that's important, not the messenger. Names & personalities are far less important than facts and ideas, IMHO.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 21, 2012, 07:00:54 PM
You can present the facts in a better way. No need for personal reproach. A bit of comedy could gain you back the listeners. Look at Warph's post's , and his following. You can't shove the truth down someone's throat.
How a fact can be presented other than factually is beyond me. Personal reproach? You'll have to expand on that a bit. With respect to public officials there's a firm line between them and a private person, practically, legally and ideologically. As for 'truths' being shoved, I would hope anyone would verify the information before accepting anything I post as a truth. If verified, only then should the information be evaluated as truth. Now, when it comes to opinion, there may well be dozens of ways to express those, and heaven knows everybody's got one.
With regard to information I present as facts, I invite you and everyone else here to challenge my sources. Compare that source to the 'common' perception and decide for yourselves. I will gladly provide those sources for external review. I usually do as with statutes in support of my arguments, etc. If I discover something I've presented as fact is in error, I'll admit the fault... and have several times.
One thing I won't apologize for, is being me. Whether you love or hate me, your choice will be based on who I am, not who I pretend to be.
Here is something for you to chew on Bullwinkle,
In ths weeks newspaper Konnected Kommissioner Hendricks said in her column is a person wanted a copy of the Community Revitalization documents drop by the court house and pick one up.
Well first why can't they post it on the expensive web site we are paying for?
When arrived at the court house and asked for a copy, I had to sign oner papers saying I'm a resident of Elk County and some other stuff on it. and then I'm told the document is not available. It cost me a 20 mile trip round way to be told it is not available? What's with that? We just can't trust what that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner put's in print, I guess not!
But, I was held accountable to the court house, I had to sign a paper testifying, that I am a citizen of Elk County.
Now I'd just ask why doesn't the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hold Elk Konnected, LLC accountable jsut like a private citizen?
Are private owned companies not accountable to the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County when they beg for money?
They are a privately owned company using funds from county coffers and I would like to know where the reciepts are for every dime?
How much money is left over and what gets returned to the county coffers?
Documentation and transparency where is it?
What are they hiding?
Also, they state they have sent copies of the Community Revitalization documents to the various communities.
I'd like to know was it via computer e-mail?
If so why at the same time couldn't they post it on the very costly web site?
The Konnected Kounty Kommissioners also stated they are awaiting verbal responses, why?
What's wrong with some documentation?
You know with signatures on a response letter?
Doing it with no names like Elk Konnected, LLC ? just doesn't cut it in my humble opinion.
Then those letters, could also be posted on the county very expensive web site, right?
Then everyone in Elk County who has a right to know what their county government is doing, would know, right?
Operating like Elk Konnected, LLC just doesn't cut it with me, how about you ?
Some transparency from the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners would be greatly appreciated.
Why is our Elk County Government, acting like the privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC, anyway ?
So since you are my neighbor, how about volunteering to drive anyone in our area that needs a rde to the polls in August?
Let's work as a team, how about it?
Quote from: Patriot on June 21, 2012, 08:25:03 PM
How a fact can be presented other than factually is beyond me. Personal reproach? You'll have to expand on that a bit. With respect to public officials there's a firm line between them and a private person, practically, legally and ideologically. As for 'truths' being shoved, I would hope anyone would verify the information before accepting anything I post as a truth. If verified, only then should the information be evaluated as truth. Now, when it comes to opinion, there may well be dozens of ways to express those, and heaven knows everybody's got one.
With regard to information I present as facts, I invite you and everyone else here to challenge my sources. Compare that source to the 'common' perception and decide for yourselves. I will gladly provide those sources for external review. I usually do as with statutes in support of my arguments, etc. If I discover something I've presented as fact is in error, I'll admit the fault... and have several times.
One thing I won't apologize for, is being me. Whether you love or hate me, your choice will be based on who I am, not who I pretend to be.
. I will stand on the hate side. You think there is a big brother overlord organization calling the shots for elk county or for that matter for Elk Konnected. Liz didn't invent Elk Konnected, she is a steering committee member that will rotate off that post and someone else will take up the slot. All board positions are limited in both responsibility and term. Just like opinions every person involved with Elk Konnected has a voice unique to their own personality. You walk all over the individual to grasp at the headline. The socialists are taking over elk county. Bull shit. You obviously don't comprehend the community in which you live. West Elk will flop because an Elk Konnected board member is handling the gavel???bullshit. You don't have the balls(Kevin) or follow through to run for office(Loss). You bitch constantly about elk county wasting tax money they increase the road budget and you are all praise. Increasing the amount of money in a budget, the number of people employed, and the increase of benefits to said employees is growth of government. Where is the lower taxes plan? Where is the solo brilliant commissioner campaign to increase jobs, quality of life, education, or anything that will remotely attract someone to move the this barren wasteland on underachievers and under-employed? You have the bitch' down to a science. What is the alternative? What is your better way? I have not read of any two to one votes in the minutes.
You undermined all efforts to attract the wind farm, site anti wind organizations worldwide about the waste of government subsidized energy policy, publicly criticize the commission accepting such a low amount for no, I repeat no county financial input what so ever, then immediately allocate, to the penny where and when the unearned dollars should be spent and how quickly. Defines a beggar thy neighbor project if there ever was one. Why don't you anti wind click recluse your self for the life of the ill-conceived wind agreement from any and all proceeds from this, another government welfare program and pay your taxes based not on next years budget with the wind money but your proposed plan of nothing, no growth, less government and higher mil levy. Board up the school, your kids go out of district anyhow. Or don't need education at your stage of life. Save those mils for more gravel, another overworked right-of-way mower, and more insurance.
Loss why don't you just call the federally funded Elk County Transportation to take you where ever you want to go if you are too cheap to finance your own travels.
Quote from: Ross on June 21, 2012, 10:01:34 PM
When arrived at the court house and asked for a copy, I had to sign oner papers saying I'm a resident of Elk County and some other stuff on it. and then I'm told the document is not available. It cost me a 20 mile trip round way to be told it is not available? What's with that? We just can't trust what that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner put's in print, I guess not!
But, I was held accountable to the court house, I had to sign a paper testifying, that I am a citizen of Elk County.
Now I'd just ask why doesn't the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hold Elk Konnected, LLC accountable jsut like a private citizen?
Say what? Interesting considering the document comes under the purview of the Kansas Open Records Act (KSA 45-215) and as such would be available to anyone, county resident or not. In particular:
K.S.A. 45-216 Public policy that records be open. (a) It is declared to be the public policy of the state that public records shall be open for inspection by any person unless otherwise provided by this act, and this act shall be liberally construed and applied to promote such policy.
(b) Nothing in this act shall be construed to require the retention of a public record nor to authorize the discard of a public record.
K.S.A 45-217 (f) (1) [(g) (1)] "Public record" means any recorded information, regardless of form or characteristics, which is made, maintained or kept by or is in the possession of any public agency including, but not limited to, an agreement in settlement of litigation involving the Kansas public employees retirement system and the investment of moneys of the fund. Perhaps this is something for our government officials might avail themselves of:
WICHITA, Kan. — The Kansas attorney general's office will hold five training sessions next month on the state's Open Meetings and Open Records Act.
Attorney General Derek Schmidt said Wednesday the sessions will give elected officials, the news media and the public a chance to learn about the requirements of open government laws.
The three-hour seminars are scheduled July 16 in Hutchinson; July 17 in Dodge City; July 19 in Iola; and July 20 in Leavenworth and Topeka.
Sponsors include the Kansas Sunshine Coalition for Open Government, Kansas Press Association and Kansas Newspaper Foundation.
Admission is free, but space is limited and registration is requested at Schmidt's website or by calling 888-428-8436.
http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/d3b52124ed804030b0f0ce5884449459/KS--Open-Meetings-Training (http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/d3b52124ed804030b0f0ce5884449459/KS--Open-Meetings-Training)
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
I will stand on the hate side.
Fine, that's between you and your maker. Also sets one heck of an example for our youth, IMO. Hopefully they will learn the difference between protected free speech directed at government and venomous, baseless personal attacks on private citizens.
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
You think there is a big brother overlord organization calling the shots for elk county or for that matter for Elk Konnected. Liz didn't invent Elk Konnected , she is a steering committee member that will rotate off that post and someone else will take up the slot. All board positions are limited in both responsibility and term.
Au contraire.
1. Overlord organization? No. Just a few self-aggrandizing folks who pander to the public in the daylight and perpetuate personal agendas and preferential treatments in the background.... and methinks the public suspects it too.
2. There are public statements claiming her founder relationship with Elk Konnected viewable at this link (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/st_lhendricks.htm (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/st_lhendricks.htm)). Hint: See item 3 in the resume list.
3. Would you be willing to post certified copies of the statutorily required organization/operating agreements to demonstrate the properly adopted 'board positions and limits' in this Kansas registered Limited Liability Company? Wait... we've been told on this thread for a year that there is no Board of Directors within the Elk Konnected structure. Can we take your statement as a retraction of a previous falsehood?
4. If I recall correctly, we were told at a Grenola Kommunity Konversation about the rotational term limits for EK steering committee members and wondered then why a couple of folks had long overstayed those stated limits. Managing members/partners as described in Kansas Statutes, perhaps?
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Just like opinions every person involved with Elk Konnected has a voice unique to their own personality. You walk all over the individual to grasp at the headline. The socialists are taking over elk county. Bull shit. You obviously don't comprehend the community in which you live. West Elk will flop because an Elk Konnected board member is handling the gavel???bullshit. You don't have the balls(Kevin) or follow through to run for office(Loss). You bitch constantly about elk county wasting tax money they increase the road budget and you are all praise. Increasing the amount of money in a budget, the number of people employed, and the increase of benefits to said employees is growth of government. Where is the lower taxes plan? Where is the solo brilliant commissioner campaign to increase jobs, quality of life, education, or anything that will remotely attract someone to move the this barren wasteland on underachievers and under-employed? You have the bitch' down to a science. What is the alternative? What is your better way? I have not read of any two to one votes in the minutes.
And
I'm pilloried for my 'sugarless presentation' techniques.
1. Socialist? Probably not. Ideologically speaking (as Dr Walter Williams points out) it's more like practical fascism.
2. Underestimation of testicular fortitude might be a mistake.... just look at this entire thread.
3. Perhaps you should actually read the county budget before you lecture. As for my praise of the commission in re. the wind farm expenditures, am I not entitled to my opinion, just as you?
4. As for commission votes, perhaps you should get the actual minutes (the local paper admitted, in writing, to editing our minutes prior to publication). Or, better yet, plant your butt in the commission meetings and actually listen to the votes. Perhaps someday those meetings will be recorded and published for all to hear. Again, you are mistaken. Your 'facts' are in error.
5. Your questions regarding 'the plan'? Ask the current commissioners to step up and detail it for us. I'm sure we would all like to hear more than crickets chirping and taxes rising.
6. As for what I really think, I've been quite unvarnished in most of my opinions. As Bullwinkle has been so thoughtful to point out. Did you misread my posts, perhaps?
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
You undermined all efforts to attract the wind farm, site anti wind organizations worldwide about the waste of government subsidized energy policy, publicly criticize the commission accepting such a low amount for no, I repeat no county financial input what so ever, then immediately allocate, to the penny where and when the unearned dollars should be spent and how quickly.
1. I was not even commenting, publicly or privately, when the wind project was being negotiated. It was a done deal before I said a word.
2. I've never commented on the amount of PILOT being low. I think that was Ross making a comparison to a comparable project in Oklahoma.
3. While I may have reported the allocations made, I never allocated a damned thing. Our county commission did.... by unanimous public vote.
4. Once again, your 'facts' aren't facts. You seem to be projecting that hate you mentioned earlier.
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Defines a beggar thy neighbor project if there ever was one. Why don't you anti wind click recluse your self for the life of the ill-conceived wind agreement from any and all proceeds from this, another government welfare program and pay your taxes based not on next years budget with the wind money but your proposed plan of nothing, no growth, less government and higher mil levy. Board up the school, your kids go out of district anyhow. Or don't need education at your stage of life. Save those mils for more gravel, another overworked right-of-way mower, and more insurance.
Loss why don't you just call the federally funded Elk County Transportation to take you where ever you want to go if you are too cheap to finance your own travels.
Wow, what an illogical, venom filled, hateful, almost incoherent rant, Vitriol. Feel better? Perhaps Bullwinkle will now admonish your 'presentation'. Though I won't hold my breath. Oh, I think the word you were searching for is recuse, not recluse. :)
Wow... I never thought I'd come back to see posts as horrible as what Vitriol has posted (fitting name though). Maybe I should go back into hiding again... :o
Quote from: mtcookson on June 21, 2012, 11:49:45 PM
Maybe I should go back into hiding again... :o
Awww shucks. Stick around, the half time show is gonna be super. LOL
;D
Yeah, I'm planning on sticking around. Was really starting to miss this place. Have some interesting things I want to post and get a discussion going about as well... but that will have to wait for another time as I'm getting quite tired. Comfy bed, here I come!
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
I will stand on the hate side.
Hate, is a might strong word and an even more terrible and strong emotion in my opinion.
I dismissed hate from my life many, many years ago.
Personally, I may disagree with someone, but I will never hate anyone.
Because hate can destroy the person carrying it.
I even try to avoid using the word.
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Liz didn't invent Elk Konnected, she is a steering committee member that will rotate off that post and someone else will take up the slot. All board positions are limited in both responsibility and term. Just like opinions every person involved with Elk Konnected has a voice unique to their own personality. You walk all over the individual to grasp at the headline.
Know one has said Konnected Kounty Kommisssioner Hendricks invented
Elk Konnected, LLC but that she claims to be the founding member of Elk Konnected, LLC, big difference right?
There is a big difference and as I state in a minute she is on the staff of the
MOTHER company,
Public Squares Communities, LLC. And LLC means they are both privately owned companies, right?
Oh, but Vitriol, I do believe you are very wrong. I do believe Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks stated very clearly that she IS the founding member.
Also, I do believe, she lived in Leoti, Washington County, Kansas.
Also, I do believe, Leoti, Washington County, Kansas is the home town of Public Squares, LLC.
They also have an office in Kansas City. This is all verifiable with a few simple google searches.
Also, I do believe, Konnected Kounty Kommisssioner Hendricks is on the staff of
Public Squares Communities, LLC ? You can check
Public Squares Communities,LLC web site and find her listed as such in the drop down list of staff.
Doesn't being on the staff of
Public Squares Communities, LLC staff mean they pay her?
How many of those
Elk County Dollars paid to
Public Squares Communities, LLC by
Elk Konnected, LLC that were begged from the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have been used to pay Konnected Kounty Kommisssioner Hendricks as their employee? You have no way of knowing, right?
Konnected Kounty Kommisssioner Hendricks has even written the letters signed as
Elk County Commissioner that were written to her own organization, both praising it and also dissing a
community in
Elk County in one of the letters. Those letters are accessible right here on the internet.
Doesn't using her title as County Commissioner in the letters tend to make it sound as though everyone in Elk County approves of what she is doing? When in actuality not everyone does!
Just how many conveniences do you require?
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
You think there is a big brother overlord organization calling the shots for elk county or for that matter for Elk Konnected.
By all means on, and I don't believe anyone has suggested any such thing.
However,
Elk Konnected, LLC raised the issue of
"The Old Guard", didn't they?
It now appears to me by the actions of
Elk Konnected, LLC that perhaps they are
"The Old Guard", just in new dresses.
Vitrol, can you tell us who were the member's of
"The Old Guard", I have no idea who
Elk Konnected, LLC was refering to with there claims?
[quote author=Vitriol link=topic=11780.msg191554#msg191554 date=1340338391
Liz didn't invent Elk Konnected, she is a steering committee member that will rotate off that post and someone else will take up the slot.
[/quote]
Really, Vitrol, really?When
Elk Konnected, LLC was conceived they said the steering committee members would rotate out every two years didn't they?
But the truth, don't people just get feed up and bailout?
Well, hasn't
Elk Konnected, LLC been around
5 or 6 years?And hasn't Konnected Kounty Kommisssioner Hendricks been on the steering committee since it inception?
And didn't
Elk Konnected, LLC just recently say, they voted to extend the period of time to serve as a steering committee to four years?
(Really, I like referring to the steering committee as the board of governors.)
And isn't it apparent they grandfathered the present members in for next four years?
Aren't a couple of members the same members that have been members since the conception of
Elk Konnected, LLC ? There is no harm in being truthfull about this is there?
Afterall
Elk Konnected, LLC ? is a prvately owned company and has the right to do inside there companythey want to do, so long as it is legal, right?
Why is that extension of the steering committy members necessary?
Is it perhaps, because, they can't get anyone, to volunteer?
Where is the list of membership?
Elk Konnected, LLC apparently has no real membership, right?
Just a steering committee, right?
I seriously believe the steering commity's responsibilities are limited, probably seriously limited, r
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
All board positions are limited in both responsibility and term. Just like opinions every person involved with Elk Konnected has a voice unique to their own personality. You walk all over the individual to grasp at the headline. The socialists are taking over elk county. Bull shit. You obviously don't comprehend the community in which you live.
This thread is about Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and all their big ideas given Elk County and a bout all the "Beggar-Thy-Neghbor" money they beg for, from the taxpayers. Why is it Elk Konnected, LLC with all their big ideas always seem to be holding their hand out for a handout?
I only ask for answers, is it my fault that Elk Konnected, LLC, Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the Followers can not provide any answers? But, instead attack me and attempt to bully me in what, I believe is are simply actions to avoid giving any answers.
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
You don't have the balls(Kevin) or follow through to run for office(Loss). You bitch constantly about elk county wasting tax money they increase the road budget and you are all praise.
Isn't the county responsible for all those mile of county roads?
Isn't it the county responsible to pay off it's debt's?
Isn't it better to pay off the county debt's rather then waste the by giving it away?
What? Did you want that money for your organization to have control of?
Don't you think when something is done right that it should be praised?
I think you may be a bit to vitriol.
(Vitrol means Cruel and bitter criticism. I looked it up just to be absolutely sure of the definition)
Where is the solo brilliant commissioner campaign to increase jobs, quality of life, education, or anything that will remotely attract someone to move the this barren wasteland on underachievers and under-employed? You have the bitch' down to a science. What is the alternative? What is your better way? I have not read of any two to one votes in the minutes. [/quote]
I have never said, I have the answers or a better way, I believe Elk Konnected, LLC has insinuated that they have all the answers, right? But, they won't speak up? Why?
Why, won't they provide some substantial answers?
If asking legitimate questions is bitching, I do have it down to a science, and I thank you for the compliment. Now, if we can just get Elk Konnected, LLC to be equally good at science and provide answers then we might get something going in Elk County, don't you think?
Quote from: Vitriol on June 21, 2012, 10:13:11 PM
Loss why don't you just call the federally funded Elk County Transportation to take you where ever you want to go if you are too cheap to finance your own travels.
There is some more of that vitriol, not very nice is it? NOT!
I, sir, have always paid my own way with dollars that I have earned the old fashioned way.
I worked for them dollars.
I have never mentioned Elk County Transportation in this thread, thank you.
I tire of you and have work to do, so I will bid you adieu for now.
TTFN
Vitrol while the world Economical finincial crises worsens daily do you really believe that there is great hope for Elk County to grow a larger population, or to grow Economically?
Can Elk County do any better then paying their debt's and tending to the necessities of all the Elk County citizens and taxpayers?
After all isn't that the purpose of County Government?
Or is it the County's purpose only to tend to the
wants of a few people, who may be associated with some organization?
Just Check Out the real world financial situation:
I copied this word for word, and I believe it is simply because of greed and the need for power!
NEW YORK (AP) -- Moody's Investors Service has lowered the credit ratings on some of the world's biggest banks, including Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, reflecting concern over their exposure to the violent swings in global financial markets.
The downgrades late Thursday ultimately are a measure of Moody's view on the ability of the banks to repay their debts. The ratings agency also cut its ratings on Barclays, Deutsche Bank and HSBC, some of the largest banks in Europe, a region fighting to contain a
government debt crisis. The banks "have significant exposure to the volatility and risk of outsized losses inherent to capital markets activities," Moody's global banking managing director Greg Bauer said in a statement outlining the rationale for the downgrades.
The behemoth banks are all major players in the global stock and bond markets, which have become extremely volatile. Critics such as former U.S. Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker argue that the stability of the financial system is threatened when banks' profits rely on proprietary trading desks that make high-risk bets on derivatives and other opaque financial instruments. Rich profits can be made from such trades but the losses can also be huge.
JPMorgan said last month it suffered a $2 billion trading loss related to a hedging strategy.
Analysts said the lure of larger profits from riskier, highly leveraged trading may prove too tempting compared with traditional banking such as loans for housing or small businesses, which require high volume and a network of branches to boost returns.
Does Elk County need the same attitudes with in it's boundaries?
Even our beloved state of Kansas has a financial crisis of it's own, does Elk Conuty need to join the rest of the world in debt crisis?
Let's get out the vote in August, let's have some real change in Elk County.
Change for a better attitude.
My sincere apologies to you and anyone else who has misinterpreted my information or intent based on presentation. I will examine my part in that. I would ask, however, that we all accept that understanding in communication is a two way street requiring as much diligent effort on the part of the reader as there on the poster. I'll gladly apply some sugar, if you'll also be ready to accept that not all pastries are heavily coated in chocolate. And please remember, it's the message that's important, not the messenger. Names & personalities are far less important than facts and ideas, IMHO.
How a fact can be presented other than factually is beyond me. Personal reproach? You'll have to expand on that a bit. With respect to public officials there's a firm line between them and a private person, practically, legally and ideologically. As for 'truths' being shoved, I would hope anyone would verify the information before accepting anything I post as a truth. If verified, only then should the information be evaluated as truth. Now, when it comes to opinion, there may well be dozens of ways to express those, and heaven knows everybody's got one.
With regard to information I present as facts, I invite you and everyone else here to challenge my sources. Compare that source to the 'common' perception and decide for yourselves. I will gladly provide those sources for external review. I usually do as with statutes in support of my arguments, etc. If I discover something I've presented as fact is in error, I'll admit the fault... and have several times.
One thing I won't apologize for, is being me.
Well said,sir. This is a post that will be taken by those who are reading it as much more sincere , and humble, than a few of your others. Just saying.
Vitriol,( certainly picked a fitting moniker), however is obviously quite an angry person, and no amount of tact will make the debate a civil one. :o
Ross, I do think it is time for Elizabeth to go, and get some fresh ideas rolling. Elk Konnected has fizzled, IMHO as well as any economic development attempts. Enough money has been sent that way. Perhaps different personel would make a difference, maybe not. One point you did make is that we need to know who we are voting for and be sure we aren't moving in the wrong direction. It would be nice if those running put their views here for many to see.
I apologize if my attempts at humor agitated you. I'm not making a living as a comedian. :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Bullwinkle link=topic=11780.msg191565#msg191565 date=134037ative7463
I apologize if my attempts at humor agitated you. I'm not making a living as a comedian. :laugh: :laugh:
I may be crazy, but I'm not insane.
I wake up each morning wondering how I have lived so long and hwhy everything hurts?
Then I remember and say thank you Lord for another day.
Why, because it's better then the alternative!
But, I could be wrong, right?
I guess I'm trying to say I don't understand everything but I try no to let things and ideas anger me.
Life is far to short!
And, I don't hold grudges.
Blah, blah, blah !
Just trying to make a small difference by asking a few legitimate questions.
And suggesting people get out and vote, show that majority of Elk County Care's what happens with your tax dollars.
Oh, I found your humor a bit silly but not offensive or aggravating.
Have a great summer day!
Here is some food for thought about bad decissions.
Just a couple of small paragraphs that may tweak your curiosity enough to read the whole story.
Financially-strapped Nevada city declared disaster
By CRISTINA SILVA
Associated Press
NORTH LAS VEGAS, Nev. -- There are no signs of rioters, wind-damaged homes or flooding. The brand new City Hall features gleaming marble floors and the public recreation centers offer Zumba, karate and Pilates classes.
Despite all of its suburban trimmings, North Las Vegas is officially a disaster area.
There are many cities across the nation grappling with declining property values and growing expenses like North Las Vegas, but few, if any, have declared financial emergency.
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/06/22/3671124/financially-strapped-nevada-city.html#storylink=cpy
Can we afford to give tax breaks to a given few that probably already have plans to build, or just because someone wants to build a new barn?Is that a good business decision for the county as a whole?
I don't think so with the economy tanking as it is here in the US and abroad.
Vote for common sense.
Don't vote for rainbow stew and the continuation of false hope.
Actually it was I that told them that whoever negotiated the contract got screwed big time! The oklahoma windfarm information just confirmed my statement. Like i said if you wanna play with the big boys you gotta have testicular fortitude. I would have done the research and found out what other sites that company paid fees on and based my negotiations on those figures. Start high and settle around what they are paying other sites. Looks like this company sent the big city boy in and dazzled the country bumpkins in charge with a bunch of trinkets. Hmmm didn't the white man buy new york for a bunch of beads one time?
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2. I've never commented on the amount of PILOT being low. I think that was Ross making a comparison to a comparable project in Oklahoma.
Quote from: mtcookson on June 22, 2012, 12:08:14 AM
;D
Yeah, I'm planning on sticking around. Was really starting to miss this place. Have some interesting things I want to post and get a discussion going about as well... but that will have to wait for another time as I'm getting quite tired. Comfy bed, here I come!
LOL welcome back!
Quote from: srkruzich on June 22, 2012, 06:00:58 PM
Actually it was I that told them that whoever negotiated the contract got screwed big time! The oklahoma windfarm information just confirmed my statement. Like i said if you wanna play with the big boys you gotta have testicular fortitude. I would have done the research and found out what other sites that company paid fees on and based my negotiations on those figures. Start high and settle around what they are paying other sites. Looks like this company sent the big city boy in and dazzled the country bumpkins in charge with a bunch of trinkets. Hmmm didn't the white man buy new york for a bunch of beads one time?
Yea, Srkruzich,
I made the remark that Enid, Oklahoma had the same company building the same size windfarm paying them $3 Mllion a year. I read it on the Associated Press.
Anyone can google it.
I just stumbled on an article about a church that volunteers to do for their community.
I thought perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC mght find it interesting.
Perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC and all it's volunteers could follow their example and help out the less fortunate in Elk County?
That is if they really want to provide a superior lifestyles in Elk County as stated on their Puglic Square Communities, LLc web site.
I think you have to start at the bottom and work up to make it to the top.
Anyway, here is the link to the story.
Families grow produce to benefit Crisis Center of Johnson County
http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20120624/NEWS01/306240009/Families-grow-produce-benefit-Crisis-Center-Johnson-County?nclick_check=1
Perhaps we can find out itf the volunteers really care about all the citizens of Elk County and what they can do to prove it.
I personally just today gave meat and eggs to a needy person, no strings attached, with out the need of an organization.
Let's see what an organization can do.
Let's cheer them on folks.
The taxing entities near Enid did not have to negotiate a Payment in Lieu of Taxes (PILOT) from the developers of the wind energy project. Wind farms in Oklahoma are not exempted from property taxes, as they are in Kansas. You are comparing apples and potatoes!
I have explained this before, and presented the facts of the matter several times, but since they do not fit Ross and Kevin's preconceived agenda of running down any and every thing that the commissioners have done over the past 5-10 years, what I have presented repeatedly just gets overlooked by them, like I never even posted it.
I encourage everyone in Elk County to contact their commissioner directly and/or go to the courthouse and find out exactly what is going on, not take Ross or Kevin Wray's word on anything. What they present is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they want everyone to believe it is.
They present a lot of assumptions and opinions, and when they do present factual information, they usually leave something out, or try to apply the same interpretation to very different situations without mentioning the differences. That is error by ommission, and Ross and Patriot both have PhDs in it.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 12:34:54 PM
The taxing entities near Enid did not have to negotiate a Payment in Lieu of Taxes (PILOT) from the developers of the wind energy project. Wind farms in Oklahoma are not exempted from property taxes, as they are in Kansas. You are comparing apples and potatoes!
I have explained this before, and presented the facts of the matter several times, but since they do not fit Ross and Kevin's preconceived agenda of running down any and every thing that the commissioners have done over the past 5-10 years, what I have presented repeatedly just gets overlooked by them, like I never even posted it.
I encourage everyone in Elk County to contact their commissioner directly and/or go to the courthouse and find out exactly what is going on, not take Ross or Kevin Wray's word on anything. What they present is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they want everyone to believe it is.
They present a lot of assumptions and opinions, and when they do present factual information, they usually leave something out, or try to apply the same interpretation to very different situations without mentioning the differences. That is error by ommission, and Ross and Patriot both have PhDs in it.
Flint
I think you have that all wrong.
I believe I was comparing $1 mllion dollars to $3 million dollars, I wasn't comparing government laws.
I have repeatedly told people not to believe what I say.You seem to be the one that is concerned about what you want people to believe, IMHO!
I have repeatedly told people to think for themselves.
Mostly, I ask questions. And I believe Mr. Durbin pointed that out today on another thread.
Whether Enid negotiated with the windfarm or not matters little, they still got $3 million a year.
Do you suppose it's possible, if they had been forced to negotiate, they may have gotten more?
But you seem to point out that the $3 Million was freely handed over, how sweet is that?
I believe I documented by use of a web link that Enid was to recieve the $3 million?
Can you do the same, as to whether Enid negotiated or not with the windfarm?
I'm not asking about Oklahoma Law, I'm asking about Enid and the windfarm?
As far as your timely statement, "What they present is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they want everyone to believe it is.", I believe that applies equally to you and our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners as well.
I was taught very young, believe only half of what you see and none of what you hear.
I believe that properly applies to reading as well.
However, if people think Elk County deserves another four years of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners vote for them, or stay home, they know their choices.
I simply suggest people get out there and vote.
Especially in the primaries.
I will patiently await the results and hope for the best.
And you haven't seen me mention any names of who people should vote for.
Because I believe that is their decision alone.
Ross, There is no web site that talks about any of the taxing entities near Enid having to do anything to collect what the wind farm will owe to them. And you know it!
And it has everything to do with differences in state law between Oklahoma and Kansas. The Kansas Legislature exempted wind farms from property taxes, the Oklahoma Legislature did not.
So, in Oklahoma, the wind farm gets a tax bill that will vary from year to year based on valuation and the current mill levy, just like you do on your farmette.
In Kansas, the county can't just send a tax bill to the wind farm. The Kansas Legislature saw to that several years ago. Instead a Payment in Lieu of Taxes must be negotiated.
And the PILOT that was negotiated by Elk County was finalized several years before the Enid project was announced, so how can you say Elk County should have tried for the same amount. Were the commissioners supposed to be clairvoyent and somehow know what would happen in the future?
Why don't you compare what Elk County is receiving with other wind farms within the state of Kansas? You know, compare apples to apples.
Oh, wait I know the answer - if you did you would have to admit the Elk County Commissioners did a pretty good job negotiating one of, if not the best, wind farm PILOT agreements in the state of Kansas.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 01:31:03 PM
Ross, There is no web site that talks about any of the taxing entities near Enid having to do anything to collect what the wind farm will owe to them. And you know it!
And it has everything to do with differences in state law between Oklahoma and Kansas. The Kansas Legislature exempted wind farms from property taxes, the Oklahoma Legislature did not.
So, in Oklahoma, the wind farm gets a tax bill that will vary from year to year based on valuation and the current mill levy, just like you do on your farmette.
In Kansas, the county can't just send a tax bill to the wind farm. The Kansas Legislature saw to that several years ago. Instead a Payment in Lieu of Taxes must be negotiated.
And the PILOT that was negotiated by Elk County was finalized several years before the Enid project was announced, so how can you say Elk County should have tried for the same amount. Were the commissioners supposed to be clairvoyent and somehow know what would happen in the future?
Why don't you compare what Elk County is receiving with other wind farms within the state of Kansas? You know, compare apples to apples.
Oh, wait I know the answer - if you did you would have to admit the Elk County Commissioners did a pretty good job negotiating one of, if not the best, wind farm PILOT agreements in the state of Kansas.
It sounds to me as if though you just want to write the rules for what people think and do.
Sorry my friend. I am still comparing from the same windfarm company with the same electrcal output for both areas, and what they pay Elk County and what they Pay Enid.
Same company, same wattage get it?
$1 million versus $3 million, not apples and potatoes is it?
That was the comparison and remains the comparison for me, sorry!
I hope everyone is able to get out and vote in the primaries.
Quotesame electrcal output for both areas
Okay Ross: hello, hope your weekend is good.
I will have to ask this: the 'both areas'? Isn't a windfarm based on square miles of capacity and units?
If so, what are the going rates from State to state?
If so, how can it be the same? Just a dumb hick question, as you put it.
I don't think comparing Ok to Ks is applicable...if so, please quote a source of math of application.
ready with pen and paper.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 12:34:54 PM
...what I have presented repeatedly just gets overlooked by them, like I never even posted it.
Perhaps there's a reason for that you haven't considered.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 12:34:54 PM
I encourage everyone in Elk County to contact their commissioner directly and/or go to the courthouse and find out exactly what is going on, not take Ross or Kevin Wray's word on anything. What they present is not the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but they want everyone to believe it is.
Contacting the courthouse & officials is the smartest suggestion you've made yet. Look over all available documentation too in order to determine if the prattle and street rumors match the facts. I concur with Charles Mahlon Durbin's advice. He's on to something Ross and I have been recommending for ages. Better late than never Charles. As for your efforts to stifle free speech and violate personal privacy, I wouldn't recommend those to anybody. And slander is still a criminal offense.
QuoteAnd slander is still a criminal offense.
What is done in Vegas Elk County, stays in Elk County...good luck with that scenario!
ready and off to party...cha-ching! my Glenn Miller dance tunes...sorry for my drama!
Quote from: Patriot on June 24, 2012, 02:58:10 PM
Perhaps there's a reason for that you haven't considered.
Contacting the courthouse & officials is the smartest suggestion you've made yet. Look over all available documentation too in order to determine if the prattle and street rumors match the facts. I concur with Charles Mahlon Durbin's advice. He's on to something Ross and I have been recommending for ages. Better late than never Charles. As for your efforts to stifle free speech and violate personal privacy, I wouldn't recommend those to anybody. And slander is still a criminal offense.
Standard operating proceedure for Kevin Wray (Patriot). Anyone who dares speak in defiance of him or Ross shall immediately be threatened into shutting up. Same Stuff, Different Day!
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
...Anyone who dares speak in defiance of him or Ross shall immediately be threatened into shutting up. Same Stuff, Different Day!
Where, exactly,have you been 'threatened' into shutting up? Perhaps a re-read of many of the early posts on this thread would redirect your perception of who uses threats or intimidation to achieve such ends. Perhaps a lengthy discussion with the forum ownership would as well. Defiance is not the same thing as slander or libel. Your speech, I opine, breeches the line between the former and the latter. Remember, the primary intent of the first amendment was to prevent the stifling of criticism of government by the citizens not the protection of slanderous speech or libelous writings directed with malice at private citizens by other private citizens. In short, one should be careful what they say to and about whom, especially in a public forum. Criticizing government and government officials is one thing what you're doing is quite another. Defy all you want, that's fine. Assigning some malicious motive that is not provable or assassination of character is quite another. Both civil and criminal law make that quite clear.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 24, 2012, 02:36:34 PM
Okay Ross: hello, hope your weekend is good.
I will have to ask this: the 'both areas'? Isn't a windfarm based on square miles of capacity and units?
If so, what are the going rates from State to state?
If so, how can it be the same? Just a dumb hick question, as you put it.
I don't think comparing Ok to Ks is applicable...if so, please quote a source of math of application.
ready with pen and paper.
Well hello Ready.
Yeah, I'm having a pretty good weekend, just keep praying for rain.
The windfarms to the best of my knowledge and I'm sure that is right, are based on gross wattage output.
Now whether Enid's moneys are based on anything or not, I can't say.
It may only be just a gift from Enel (the windfarm).
That's the best I cna tell you, with out further research.
I hope that helps.
Quote from: Patriot on June 24, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
Where, exactly,have you been 'threatened' into shutting up? Perhaps a re-read of many of the early posts on this thread would redirect your perception of who uses threats or intimidation to achieve such ends. Perhaps a lengthy discussion with the forum ownership would as well. Defiance is not the same thing as slander or libel. Your speech, I opine, breeches the line between the former and the latter. Remember, the primary intent of the first amendment was to prevent the stifling of criticism of government by the citizens not the protection of slanderous speech or libelous writings directed with malice at private citizens by other private citizens. In short, one should be careful what they say to and about whom, especially in a public forum. Criticizing government and government officials is one thing what you're doing is quite another. Defy all you want, that's fine. Assigning some malicious motive that is not provable or assassination of character is quite another. Both civil and criminal law make that quite clear.
Doesn't what you just posted prove my statement about being threatened into shutting up?
Quote from: Ross on June 24, 2012, 04:12:59 PM
Well hello Ready.
Yeah, I'm having a pretty good weekend, just keep praying for rain.
The windfarms to the best of my knowledge and I'm sure that is right, are based on gross wattage output.
Now whether Enid's moneys are based on anything or not, I can't say.
It may only be just a gift from Enel (the windfarm).
That's the best I cna tell you, with out further research.
I hope that helps.
All Kansas wind farms are exempt from ad valorem taxation, so any revenue received from the wind farm must come from a negotiated PILOT. Most of the PILOTs in Kansas, including Elk County's, are based on nameplate capacity of the wind generating units. I cannot find a PILOT in Kansas that collects more per MW of nameplate capacity than the one Elk County negotiated does.
In Oklahoma, the entire wind farm is added to the tax base of all taxing units in which it is built: state, county, school district, watershed district, extension service, community college, etc. The wind farm is appraised, a valuation determined by existing mathematical formula, mil levies are assessed, and a tax bill computed, just like any other parcel in the ad valorem tax base. No negotiation required, no action required other than what is normal proceedure for any other parcel.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 03:46:59 PM
Standard operating proceedure for Kevin Wray (Patriot). Anyone who dares speak in defiance of him or Ross shall immediately be threatened into shutting up. Same Stuff, Different Day!
Now, that's a giant crock of stuff !
I've said many, many times everyone is entitled to their opinion.
But the truth is, if you care to go back and check thiis thread, I'm the one that was threatened with a lawsuit.
I'm the one that recieved a backhanded death threat ?
Remember when some one said they were printing out every post I do, so they could sue me ?
My reponse was somthing, like have a good time. Really, I believe it would be a waste of paper, don't you?
Wouldn't that have been an attempt and a threat to shut me up?
So, who really is telling who to shut up?
I never make threats. Threats in my opinion are not a nice thing.
I'm sorry you seem to have misconstrued what is really happening.
I'd really like to hear from a lot ore of Elk County Citizens, how about you.
I have even asked the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner to talk with us further and clearly asked for a two way, open honest dialog.
Check back a few months, they were here but left.
So who really is telling who to shut up?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 04:15:31 PM
All Kansas wind farms are exempt from ad valorem taxation, so any revenue received from the wind farm must come from a negotiated PILOT. Most of the PILOTs in Kansas, including Elk County's, are based on nameplate capacity of the wind generating units. I cannot find a PILOT in Kansas that collects more per MW of nameplate capacity than the one Elk County negotiated does.
In Oklahoma, the entire wind farm is added to the tax base of all taxing units in which it is built: state, county, school district, watershed district, extension service, community college, etc. The wind farm is appraised, a valuation determined by existing mathematical formula, mil levies are assessed, and a tax bill computed, just like any other parcel in the ad valorem tax base. No negotiation required, no action required other than what is normal proceedure for any other parcel.
That's wattage, right?
And we are still talking about the same company at both places and same wattage, at both places right?
And we are still talking $1 million vs $3 million, right?
Neither sum is considered taxes to the community or the county, right?
I.E. P.I.L.O.T. means it is not tax money Elk County is recieving, right?
Still talking $1 million vs $3 million, right?
One last time,
The money received from the Enid project by the different taxing entities involved IS TAX MONEY, just like property taxes on a farm, a house, a business, etc. IT IS TAX MONEY, by state law, not an amount that is negotiated! Why can't you grasp that!
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 04:39:20 PM
One last time,
The money received from the Enid project by the different taxing entities involved IS TAX MONEY, just like property taxes on a farm, a house, a business, etc. IT IS TAX MONEY, by state law, not an amount that is negotiated! Why can't you grasp that!
Well, why didn't you say that in the first place.
But i don't recall that being said in the newspaper article ?
But it still just points out that if a little research had been done and better negotiations performed Elk County possibly could have performed much better.
Perhaps could have negotiatted the same amount of $3 million or maybe even better.
Anything is possible, right? The numbers still stand.
Look at the date the PILOT agreement for the Caney River project was signed by the Elk County Commissioners - December 31, 2008.
http://www.tva.com/environment/reports/caney/appendix_b.pdf
Now when was the Chisholm View (Garfield County, OK) project announced - September 19, 2011.
http://enidnews.com/localnews/x480208142/A-plan-to-sell-the-wind-Company-to-invest-400M-in-area-wind-farms
Nearly three years later! And the project will not be in operation until late 2012, with full build-out most likely in 2013.
How in the world were the Elk County Commissioners supposed to negotiate a PILOT agreement based upon what a different, and unannounced, project in a different state might or might not generate in the way of ad valorem taxes starting in late 2012 or early 2013?
And I do not find any article that specifies Chisholm View will generate $3,000,000 in tax revenue. What I do find is different variations of this:
"Company officials said the wind farm would contribute up to $5 million annually to the local economy via property taxes and rent payments to landowners who will host the turbine easements over the 20-year contract."
The actual amount of property tax payments will not be known until the project is appraised and it's valuation added to the tax base, the mil levies determined, and the tax due computed.
So, go ahead and keep comparing things that occurred three years apart, in different states, under different state laws. To me that is disengenuous at best.
One last thing, I also found multiple articles from earlier this month about how the Chisholm View project is being financed. Note that the nameplate capacity of the project is now being stated as 235 MW. Here are two of them, one much longer than the other, just like their respective URL's:
http://www.enelgreenpower.com/en-GB/media_investor/press_releases/release.aspx?IdDoc=1652608&WT.rss_f=egp_comunicati_en&WT.rss_a=ENEL%20GREEN%20POWER%20NORTH%20AMERICA,%20INC.%20AND%20EFS%20CHISHOLM,%20LLC%20SIGNED%20A%20CAPITAL%20CONTRIBUTION%20AGREEMENT%20WITH%20A%20SYNDICATE%20LED%20BY%20J.P.%20MORGAN%20&WT.rss_ev=a
http://www.nawindpower.com/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.9966
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 04:14:18 PM
Doesn't what you just posted prove my statement about being threatened into shutting up?
Nope, this does....
Quote from: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 03:39:21 PM
...Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692. This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
I believe that is an example of me voicing my opinion.
What you did earlier this evening was make a not so veiled threat of legal action for liebel or slander.
Very big difference.
My opinion regarding the nature of your actions was clearly reflected in the words 'I opine', and statements I made about slander and libel being crimes as well as what goes toward defining those crimes are quite factual. As to threats of action. I wouldn't threaten, I would act. To this point in time I've merely opined and stated fact for clarification. How you may read it all is your business.
Whatever!
Now, about those KS Health Foundation grants obtained NOT by Elk Konnected but by the county (paid to the county) and the grant apps that were written by a county employee who is also on the EK steering committee alongside an elected official (also an EK steering committee member) who encourages & approves the expenditures of those monies by EK for summer day camps that EK promotes using its own name....
Quote from: Patriot on June 24, 2012, 08:09:06 PM
Now, about those KS Health Foundation grants obtained NOT by Elk Konnected but by the county (paid to the county) and the grant apps that were written by a county employee who is also on the EK steering committee alongside an elected official (also an EK steering committee member) who encourages & approves the expenditures of those monies by EK for summer day camps that EK promotes using its own name....
You're getting very predictable, Kevin.
First threaten legal action to get people that don't agree with you to go away.
Then when that doesn't work, change the subject!
Still practicing those Alinsky tactics that you supposedly dispise so much.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 08:20:17 PM
You're getting very predictable, Kevin.
First threaten legal action to get people that don't agree with you to go away.
Then when that doesn't work, change the subject!
Still practicing those Alinsky tactics that you supposedly dispise so much.
Actually, young fella, I simply returned the focus to the original intent of this thread... questioning the relationship between county government and a private company where government leadership happens to have a personal relationship with the private company as well. Quite a conservative perspective, No?
Again I reiterate there was no threat, and even if there had been it obviously didn't work. .Further, I'm not really concerned about your 'going away' at all. Having you here is actually helpful. Your deflective interjections actually provide a open opportunity to refocus on the issues.
Alinsky methods? Sorry, wrong again. No, Alinsky himself wrote, "5. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.", and "13. Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." (Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky - 1971).
Like this......
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Ross, I don't care how BIG or how small you type, you're still just a Narcissistic Gadfly
Now
that's Alinsky.
You say potatoe, I say potato!
Goodnight.
And what about taxpayer monies solicited and received by Elk Konnected from the Longton City Council that were solicited and disbursed specifically to pay for EK's 'membership dues' in Public Square Communities, LLC.? I wonder if the taxpayers in Longton knew about that or would support it if they knew.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 24, 2012, 05:24:08 PM
Look at the date the PILOT agreement for the Caney River project was signed by the Elk County Commissioners - December 31, 2008.
And I do not find any article that specifies Chisholm View will generate $3,000,000 in tax revenue. What I do find is different variations of this:
"Company officials said the wind farm would contribute up to $5 million annually to the local economy via property taxes and rent payments to landowners who will host the turbine easements over the 20-year contract."
The actual amount of property tax payments will not be known until the project is appraised and it's valuation added to the tax base, the mil levies determined, and the tax due computed.
So, go ahead and keep comparing things that occurred three years apart, in different states, under different state laws. To me that is disengenuous at best.
The whole point is a study could have been performed, before negotiations were made, very simple right?
Possiblities, and probabilities studied?
Estimates of value for tax purposes, taxasseor office involvement, even outside advice or involvement, which is used by many government agencies acrosss this country?
But, I suppose the commissioners may have been to busy with their own families involvement in the land lease's for the turbins, do you suppose that is a possibility?
If that's a possibility the commissioners could have commissioned a committee to do the research and crunch numbers.
It's like the Neighborhood Revitalization Program the paper work states a study has been performed, if that is true, who performed the study, where is the study for the public to read?
I believe that to be a false statement so, please show me the paper work, where is the paper work?
Lets do away with excuses, what do you say?
VOTE IN AUGUST IT'S IMPORTANT
Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Ross, I don't care how BIG or how small you type, you're still just a Narcissistic Gadfly
Wow, thanks for the recognition Flint.
I really don't deserve the recognition.
I'd rather recieve recognition, but, thank you, anyway.
I am waiting the recognition of the voters in August, that's the important thing.May I see your degree in psychology? Just kidding! Joking!
(laughter here)
Besides, calling people names is very, very rude!
Is it that you don't like colors?
Do you watch black and white TV?
The calling of names, with words that can be construed in many different ways, is simply a politicians tool to confuse the public.
Let me clarify,
what I read in your name calling, definitions from the wikipidea.
Narcissistic as Applied to a social group, it is sometimes used to denote
elitism or an indifference to the plight of others.
I am no group, so perhaps, I think you may be referring to that
very small group Elk Konnected, LLC, is that a possibility?
Social
gadfly, a person who upsets the status quo. I personally am retired and that status quo would be difficult to upset, I sure wouldn't want to upset that status quo. Again, perhaps you are referring to Elk Konnected, LLC and the upsetting of the status quo of Elk County Government, is that possible? Is it possible because of having
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the lack of any line between certain Elected County Commissioners and a privately owned companies ideas about the way Elk County should be governed?
Now wasn't that fun?
No sir, I don't rate recognition but I do believe all the voters of Elk County do.
And I hope each and every one of them vote in the primaries, don't you?
Let's, you and I work together to get the voters out to the polls, okay?This was so good, I just had to copy it and enlarge it:
Narcissistic Gadfly
Cool Huh!
Quote from: Ross on June 25, 2012, 06:26:17 AM
The whole point is a study could have been performed, before negotiations were made, very simple right?
Possiblities, and probabilities studied?
Estimates of value for tax purposes, taxasseor office involvement, even outside advice or involvement, which is used by many government agencies acrosss this country?
You just can't give the Elk County Commissioners any credit can you. Could it possibly be that they set a new standard for the amount counties in Kansas should expect from wind farm development PILOTs.
Take a look at this article:
http://www.gctelegram.com/news/tradewind-pilot-agreement-2-17-12
That's right. Trade Wind, the same developers that built Caney River will make PILOTs to three different counties totaling $4250 per MW on a wind farm that is to be 210 MW in size.
Correction - I read the article wrong and noticed my mistake when I read a second and third article about this project. Haskell and Grant will each get $3750 per MW installed in their respective counties. Finney County will only get $500 per MW if and when any wind turbines are installed there. So, $3750 per MW, that's only 83% of what Elk County got. Hmmmm!
So why is it that over three years after Trade Winds signed with the Elk County commissioners that the going rate is
5 17 percent less than what Elk County negotiated in 2008?
Are the county commissioners in Garden City, Ulysses, and Santanta idiots for not even getting what itty bitty Elk County got over three years earlier?
Are they total dumkoffs because they didn't take into account the supposedly much higher amount in property tax revenue that the Chisholm View project will supposedly generate in Garfield County Oklahoma?
After all, that project was announced several months before these three sets of county commissioners signed on the dotted line. They all had the luxury of knowing about this supposed "Golden Calf" of a project in Oklahoma, something the Elk County Commissioners would have needed a crystal ball to have knowledge of.
And what about poor ol' Cloud County. In September 2010, twenty months after the Caney River PILOT was signed, they were forced by the developers of a 201 MW wind farm to accept a PILOT agreement that tops out at just $1,493 per megawatt! That's not even a third of what the Elk County Commissioners negotiated, and it's on a project exactly the same size.
I could go on and on, but it will never prove to Ross and his cohorts that the Elk County Commissioners knew what they were doing when they negotiated, in good faith and with excellent results, the best wind farm PILOT agreement at the time in the state of Kansas, and one that more than three years later has still not been topped by any other board of Kansas county commissioners.
Flint, why are you trying to confuse Ross with the facts.
You are so right you could go on and on and on and prove nothing.
You can't prove that a better negotiation would not have happened if a real study had been performed.
For instance show me the study that was done on the Elk County Community Revitalization Program?
Show it please?
Quote from: ELK@KC on June 25, 2012, 10:32:49 AM
Flint, why are you trying to confuse Ross with the facts.
What facts?
Show me the study that was performed prior to the negotiations with the windfarm, please?
Show me the study performed by Elk County associated with the Communty Revitalization Program?
The revised edition of Meade County's Communty Revitalization Program for Elk County, says there was a study done, where is it?
Show me the facts, please?
Ross,
I rather doubt you could ever prove that a study woulda/coulda resulted in a better contract, so where does that leave this argument?
Quote from: ddurbin on June 25, 2012, 10:56:08 AM
Ross,
I rather doubt you could ever prove that a study woulda/coulda resulted in a better contract, so where does that leave this argument?
I know where it leaves this argument.
There are ten operating wind farms in Kansas, with four more under construction and an additional three with Power Purchase Agreements in place. In an exhaustive search of the web, and actual conversations with three of the people I know personally that are executives in wind energy development companies, I can state that not one of those 17 projects had a study done to determine what the PILOT would be. And none of the wind energy execs know of a Kansas project with a per MW payment higher than what Elk County is receiving.
Go ahead and prove me wrong Ross!
My statement that the Elk County Commissioners did an excellent job negotiating the PILOT on the Caney River project stands.
As for the neighborhood revitalization program - Can anyone find any proof, or even mention of, that any of the 69 counties in Kansas that have enacted a neighvorhood revitalization program did a feasibility study of any sort that is available to the public? I stopped checking after I read the websites associated with twenty said programs and found no results from any studies that may or may not have been done. I also cannot find any studies done by third-party entities such as the state universities, state agencies, think-tanks, Kansas Inc., etc.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
Go ahead and prove me wrong Ross!
My statement that the Elk County Commissioners did an excellent job negotiating the PILOT on the Caney River project stands.
Ditto my friend! You can't prove that study may not have provided a better out come.
Considering that no one has probably dealt with anything of this magnitude, I think it would most likely been very beneficial. It's sorta like the people doing mineral right leases for $25 acre and today people in the same area are getting $200 plus.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
As for the neighborhood revitalization program - Can anyone find any proof, or even mention of, that any of the 69 counties in Kansas that have enacted a neighvorhood revitalization program did a feasibility study of any sort that is available to the public? I stopped checking after I read the websites associated with twenty said programs and found no results from any studies that may or may not have been done. I also cannot find any studies done by third-party entities such as the state universities, state agencies, think-tanks, Kansas Inc., etc.
So, I guess that you advocate the our County Commissioners are justified in lying to us because everyone else's County Governments do it?
And do you also adv ocate the the County Commissioners are not accountable to the Citizens of Elk County ?
I suppose then that everything done by rhe present administration of the President of the USofA is justifiable under that same principle?
Well none of it is under my principles!
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 10:20:34 AM
I could go on and on, but it will never prove to Ross and his cohorts that the Elk County Commissioners knew what they were doing when they negotiated, in good faith and with excellent results, the best wind farm PILOT agreement at the time in the state of Kansas, and one that more than three years later has still not been topped by any other board of Kansas county commissioners.
I hope your 'cohorts' slight wasn't intended to include moi. I don't think I've ever made an issue of the amount of the PILOT. Though I have validated your method of calculating the thing. I have mentioned the potential conflict of interest involved in negotiations regarding the site selection. If you have questions, a thorough review of state corporation/partnership/LLC records and trust holdings in the involved areas should make the reasons for my questions clear.
As for the neighborhood revitalization program, read the introduction statement on ours. Also review the Kansas statutes & state implementation guidelines regarding what the elective body must do with regard to need & feasibility prior to adopting such a plan. Heck, I still can't see how a new barn or house is a REvitalization of anything. How can one REvitalize something that isn't there to begin with?
Quote from: Patriot on June 25, 2012, 04:20:28 PM
I hope your 'cohorts' slight wasn't intended to include moi.
I actually had written Ross, Patriot and their cohorts, then removed your name because you have actually agreed with most of the facts I have presented about the Caney River wind project, and wind projects in general.
I should have abbreviated it to just Ross, since it is he that just doesn't seem to get it.
As for the revitalization endeavour. I'm not saying that there isn't supposed to be a feasability study done. I'm saying I can't find anything on the websites pertaining to the programs that already exist in various towns and counties accross the state. And that I cannot find where any third party has done a study on the effectiveness of these programs.
Maybe these studies exist, maybe an Elk County official or employee has been able to access one or more, maybe not. I don't know the answer to that, and neither do you, or Ross.
The difference between you and Ross, and myself is that I do not automatically assume that everything that the commissioners and the county employees do is wrong until proven right.
I guess it's because I grew up around most of these people, worked along side a lot of these people, and remain friends with these people. Those personal interactions throughout the many years builds a certain type of trust. And so far, the people that you question repeatedly, as you have the right to do, have not broken that trust.
That is all from me for a while, I have many things to attend to this week and next.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
I should have abbreviated it to just Ross, since it is he that just doesn't seem to get it.
I get it politicians should not be questioned by the constituents, because you know them, right?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
As for the revitalization endeavour. I'm not saying that there isn't supposed to be a feasability study done. I'm saying I can't find anything on the websites pertaining to the programs that already exist in various towns and counties accross the state. And that I cannot find where any third party has done a study on the effectiveness of these programs. .
I felt your statement posted earlier indicated it's alright to claim a study but that it is not necessary to show the results because no one else does. Here is that post:
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 12:30:25 PM
As for the neighborhood revitalization program - Can anyone find any proof, or even mention of, that any of the 69 counties in Kansas that have enacted a neighvorhood revitalization program did a feasibility study of any sort that is available to the public? I stopped checking after I read the websites associated with twenty said programs and found no results from any studies that may or may not have been done. I also cannot find any studies done by third-party entities such as the state universities, state agencies, think-tanks, Kansas Inc., etc.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
Maybe these studies exist, maybe an Elk County official or employee has been able to access one or more, maybe not. I don't know the answer to that, and neither do you, or Ross.
You said you had facts, I asked for them and you didn't produce any. And provide this distraction.
If there is a study it would be a simple thing for the county to post it on our County's expensive web site, and make it useful.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
The difference between you and Ross, and myself is that I do not automatically assume that everything that the commissioners and the county employees do is wrong until proven right.
I am simply asking questions to which there are apparently no answers. The only answer appears to claim stuff like this that you insinuate.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
I guess it's because I grew up around most of these people, worked along side a lot of these people, and remain friends with these people. Those personal interactions throughout the many years builds a certain type of trust. And so far, the people that you question repeatedly, as you have the right to do, have not broken that trust.
With the exception of the blurred line between
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, where do their loyalties lie, with the County or with the privately owned organization?
But as I understand you, just say go with the flow because they are your personal friends, you grew up with them.
I suppose you never question other politicians in the state of federal government?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
That is all from me for a while, I have many things to attend to this week and next.
One final note, I am not a part of any group or organzation. I hope that is clear!
I am alone responsible for anything I post on this forum and they are my personal opinions, no one else's.
By-by! I'll be getting busy starting tomorrow myself.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
I actually had written Ross, Patriot and their cohorts, then removed your name because you have actually agreed with most of the facts I have presented about the Caney River wind project, and wind projects in general.
Thanks.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
Maybe these studies exist, maybe an Elk County official or employee has been able to access one or more, maybe not. I don't know the answer to that, and neither do you, or Ross.
I've asked my commissioner and been told he has no knowledge of any careful study or evaluation of the efficacy of this plan in Elk county.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
The difference between you and Ross, and myself is that I do not automatically assume that everything that the commissioners and the county employees do is wrong until proven right.
I can't speak for Ross, but where I'm concerned, you are in error. Please note that I usually provide support for any inference of improper actions. If you doubt that, continue reading...
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 05:18:48 PM
I guess it's because I grew up around most of these people, worked along side a lot of these people, and remain friends with these people. Those personal interactions throughout the many years builds a certain type of trust. And so far, the people that you question repeatedly, as you have the right to do, have not broken that trust.
While I understand your loyalty, my questons are directed at the operation of government. Not on social affirmation. I have found that blind trust in any human being can eventually lead to disappointment... if only because of human imperfection. I just posted the following on the 'Property tax relief is coming to Elk County' thread. Please read it and ask yourself... is there anything to question?...
Quote from: Patriot on June 25, 2012, 07:05:38 PM
Two of our county commissioners, Hendricks & Liebau, our economic development director and our county appraiser have been working feverishly to adopt a tax rebate neighborhood revitalization plan for Elk County. Today's commission meeting, provided the answer to a couple of troubling questions. Why was the open application start date in the new plan set to January 1, 2012? Is it because the plan is being developed to serve some special interest? Commissioner Ritz asked these very questions. Here is a summary of the answers presented in the public meeting...
The appraiser provided the following:
1. A former Enterprise Zone development incentive program was cancelled by the state last year.
2. There was a citizen who, because of delays in construction, failed to qualify for incentives in that program before it closed.
3. A 'replacement' incentive program (Neighborhood Revitalization Plan) was proposed locally.
4. The proposed program has yet to be finalized by the county commission or approved by the state attorney general.
5. Nothing in the plan was designed to provide special treatment to anyone.
6. The proposed program was drafted & presented by our economic development director & our appraiser and they set the application start date in the new plan back to Jan 1, 2012 specifically so the person mentioned in 2 above could participate.
7. There may have been other premature applications taken as well.
Read that date again... 1/1/2012. Commissioner Ritz pointed out that it's darned difficult to apply for a program that hasn't been adopted or approved as required state law. Ritz observed that the fact the date was admittedly set so the person in 2 above (and perhaps others) could participate & allowed to apply before the program existed and without paying the proposed application fee upon application made it appear the plan was, in fact, being structured to provide some special benefit to one or more persons. In spite of the facts reported by the appraiser above & Ritz' observations, the appraiser vigorously defended her statement that the program had not been configured to benefit any particular person.
At the urging of Commissioners Hendricks & Liebau, Ritz moved to change the open application period start date to January 1, 2013. Neither Commissioner Liebau nor Hendricks would second the motion. The motion failed. Apparently fair treatment of all our citizens did too.
Is this kind of back door special treatment that the citizens of Elk County deserve or expect? Wouldn't it be more fair and equitable for the start date to begin AFTER the program has been clearly presented to the public and legally adopted & approved. Let's hope the public can see the game being played, makes their distaste for such things in Elk County well known, and calls for change.
Just something to chew on.
If it walks like a duck
And quacks like a duck
It must be a duck.
Quote from: Ross on June 25, 2012, 08:19:40 PM
If it walks like a duck
And quacks like a duck
It must be a duck.
You quack me up!
Sorry, someone had to do it, might as well be me! :D ;D
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 08:22:49 PM
You quack me up!
Sorry, someone had to do it, might as well be me! :D ;D
No, by all means no, don't be sorry, I love it !
I set it up and I wondered if anyone would follow up. Thanks, some humor is helpful.
But did you notice the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners failed to second
Commissioner Ritz's motion to place Jan 1, 20
13 for the start date on the proposed
Community Revitalization Proposal ?
I wonder just how the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners can justify a start date of Jan 1, 20
12 when it has not even been approved and may not even be approved.
Oh, can I be grandfathered in as well? I only go back to the summer of 2005?
I put in a double wide mobile home and two barns, I'd love to be grandfathered in as well, I sure could use some of my tax money back, too! Oh, I could use a tax rebate. and just think my ten years are about to end in just 3 more years.To me, it stinks of that
"Old Guard" tat [coled, LLC[/color] refered to in one of their letters, maybe, just maybe?
See next question.
Man, I really wonder are the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners perhaps involved with that
"Old Guard"?The reason, I wonder is because I have no idea who were members of the
"Old Guard" that
Elk Konnected, LLC was refering to.
I wonder if we will read in Konnected Kounty Kommissioners column in the newspaper the following that took place at the meeting?
Quote from: Patriot on June 25, 2012, 07:05:38 PM
The appraiser provided the following:
1. A former Enterprise Zone development incentive program was cancelled by the state last year.
2. There was a citizen who, because of delays in construction, failed to qualify for incentives in that program before it closed.
3. A 'replacement' incentive program (Neighborhood Revitalization Plan) was proposed locally.
4. The proposed program has yet to be finalized by the county commission or approved by the state attorney general.
5. Nothing in the plan was designed to provide special treatment to anyone.
6. The proposed program was drafted & presented by our economic development director & our appraiser and they set the application start date in the new plan back to Jan 1, 2012 specifically so the person mentioned in 2 above could participate.
7. There may have been other premature applications taken as well.
Do you reckon that wll be included in Kommissioner Hendricks column?
I think it will be interesting to find out?
Do you think it will be in the minutes of the meeting?
I can hardly wait to read either one. Anxiety attack.
Shame on me.I'm just a red neck hick with no college papers, so you will just have to forgive me.
But something stinks.
Quote from: Ross on June 25, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
Oh, can I be grandfathered in as well? I only go back to the summer of 2005?
I put in a double wide mobile home and two barns, I'd love to be grandfathered in as well, I sure could use some of my tax money back, too! Oh, I could use a tax rebate. and just think my ten years are about to end in just 3 more years.
Unless something changed at today's commissioner meeting as to the length and percentages of rebate, (which I doubt occurred, otherwise I believe Patriot would have informed us) Elk County's program is for five years, not ten like Meade County's.
This was posted yesterday, perhaps you missed it.
That's not all I have to say about your last post. That's just all I have to say at the moment.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 25, 2012, 09:15:19 PM
Unless something changed at today's commissioner meeting as to the length and percentages of rebate, (which I doubt occurred, otherwise I believe Patriot would have informed us) Elk County's program is for five years, not ten like Meade County's.
This was posted yesterday, perhaps you missed it.
That's not all I have to say about your last post. That's just all I have to say at the moment.
Pcky, picky, picky. That is not the important issue in all this is it ?
1 year, 3 years, 5 years, or 10 years.
Oh no, I recall, I just wasn't thinking about the number of years, the smell was overwhelming.
But if they are going to grandfather someone in, I want in too, and so would most of the county.
5 years or ten years doesn't matter, right and wrong matters.
But hey guess what, that means my 5 years are up, and they could just pay me my rebate in one lump sum and not have to worry about it year after year? I'll gladly wait untill they get the next year windfarm check.
Hell yes, I'm being sarcastic, just as sarcastic as this plan to line other pockets, in my
blatant opinion.
Isn't that what all this is about, greed? Not paying ones fair share of taxes by means of a rebate?
The Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in my opinion failed to make things right by failing to second
County Commissioner Ritz's motion therefore allowing the motion to die.
In my personal opinion that shows a lack of moral right for the county as a whole?
From what I have seen and heard the whole thing is being set up most likely for and by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
When will the feasability study be performed or will they continue that lie ?
Why don't they show the figures on the proposal that shows the amounts rebateable on $20,000 and $1 million
dollar investments.And let's have full disclosure of who applies for tax rebates from the County Citizens?
Let's also get the County Employees building a comprehensive web site that shows all public information, including the property tax rolls. After all we are paying big bucks for this 21st century computer system and web site. Public information is not secret information.
Even the Federal Government listt on it's web site the names of companys and people that recieve farm subsidies.
Our County officials nor our employees have the right to with hold publiic information from anyone. And that includes anyone they work with under the
guise of Economic Development. Names of people do not fall under any form of privacy. Their personal or
their business may very well be private. But their names and amounts of financial breaks they may recieve from the county, by them do not.
I personally believe it is time for some real open honest dialog from our county goverment.
Honestly folks your votes in August are very important!
Let's get the vote out for Honesty in our County Government!
You'r vot is extremely important on the local issues!
If you need a ride, I will gadly volunteer my to drive you,
only if you promise not to talk politics on the way to the polls.
How you vote is your personal and private busness.
Not public information.
Lest we forget I am just a: Quote from: flintauqua on July 07, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Narcissistic Gadfly
"Watch Us Grow"
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that refused to second Mr. Ritz's motion to correct the date on the proposed Community Revitalization Program won't you please respond to a few questions?
I'd like to know and I suppose the rest of the taxpaying citizens would probably like to know
Who is this extra special citizen of Elk County that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
Wish to accommodate with a back dated proposed Community Revitalization Program ? ? ?
Also, I'd like to ask how many others are there and who they are ? ? ?
Will one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners show their leadership and provide the answers ? ? ?
These are very tough questions, however, real leadership should have no problem with proper answers in my opinion.
While you are being brave enough to show that leadership, how about explaining in detail, why everyone in Elk County should approve such accommodations?
Everyone on here knows you are reading this, so won't you come forward and have an open and honest dialog ? ? ?
Elk Konnected, LLC, through their steering committee media mouthpiece (and elected county officer), Ms Hendricks, has claimed that it was the county commission who asked EK to involve itself in determining the will of the people on issues such as wind farm money use. EK has been the focal point in spending taxpayer monies from the county special recreation fund. Taxpayer monies pay the salary of a county employee holding the position of Youth Development Coordinator. This county employee is also holds a position on the EK steering committee. This employee also writes grant requests in the county name soliciting grant funds from the Kansas Health Foundation amounting to tens of thousands of dollars that have come into the county coffers and are handed to EK allegedly to be spent completely on EK run summer day camps. And this is just the surface.
A member of the EK steering committee sits as president of the West Elk USD school board. And the private community organizer company, Public Square Communities actually lists one of our elected county officers as an employed staff member. Admittedly, EK has solicited, and received, monies from the taxpayers in at least one town in Elk County to help pay private membership fees to Public Squares. EK has also publicly admitted using monies from a Kansas Commerce Department scholarship grant to pay dues to Public Square.
All these little twists & trysts raise valid questions about our government and this privately owned company. Yet after over a year of asking, there are still no answers. Even after self promoting newspaper articles and Grenola Konversations, we still know almost nothing of this money vacuum we know as Elk Konnected, LLC. We know little about the marriage and apparent love affair that exists between Elk Konnected, the Elk County Government & one or two of our elected officials. Let's try a refresher and ask again some basic questions about this private company who has such close ties to the Elk County government (official or otherwise).
And let's add another question to those below: What liability does Elk County and county taxpayers have relative to EK activities carried out with county funds or using county resources?
Quote from: Patriot on May 05, 2011, 09:24:01 AM
How about this.... instead of you guessing and asking volunteers, take a look at these links which explain what an LLC is and how an LLC works. These articles are real short. The 'members' (owners) of an LLC are probably not the volunteers who do the work of cleaning ditches, being on action committees, painting, raking, etc. There can be one or more members (legal owners) who actually own & manage the LLC. Read these and see if you can answer the questions...
What is an LLC: http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryl/a/llcdefinition.htm (http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryl/a/llcdefinition.htm)
Who formed EK, and who receives the limited liability protections?
Are volunteers protected from any liability for work done for or with EK?
Does EK have liability insurance? How much? Through what insurance company?
Who pays the damages if a windshield gets broken at an EK sponsored ballgame?
What happens if one of our youth gets hit by a car while picking up trash along the highway at an EK sponsored cleanup?
Do the kid's parents sign any liability waivers before their kids participate in EK functions?
What about adult volunteers? How are they protected in case of injury?
Who are the members of an LLC: http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossarym/g/memberofllc.htm
Who are the legal members of EK?
What is the Operating Agreement for an LLC: http://biztaxlaw.about.com/od/glossaryo/g/operatingagree.htm
Where can you go to see the EK Operating Agreement, and what does it say?
What are the investment interests, percentage interests, member voting rights, etc. for EK
How is EK managed, and by whom? Who is legally responsible for any acts of EK?
What are the rights and duties of each legal member of EK?
Who can sign contracts for EK?
Who legally decides where any money that EK receives ends up going, who pays any bills EK has.
Do EK's legal members/managers receive any pay or other benefits from EK?
Since EK is a business making recommendations to government, are they required to register as a lobby group? Have they?
These, and many more questions remain unanswered. When you can make public the answers to these questions, you will be on the road to ending all the recent debates. My guess is that finding the answers will be very difficult.
So, I hear on the street that at the Monday County Commissioners meeting that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner said he was tired of being called a crook. I wonder who called him a crook? What is it he is really saying?
There is an old say that goes, if the shoe fits wear it. However, I only question the
ethics of the
association of
votng by
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for everythng and anything and the moneys their Organizaton comes to the Commssioners asking for?
And the
ethics of turning moneys over to
Elk Konnected, LLC without having accountability for the spending of such money in the form of reciepts for every dime. It's public information, let's see it posted on the County (very expensive) web site for the public to see. Or is Elk Konnected, LLC allowed to pocket the
leftover $'s?I also question the
ethics of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
failing to second Mr. Ritz motion
to correct the starting date on the proposed Community Revitalization Program. A
very honest thing to do,
why? The key word being proposed, meaning how can something being proposed have a start date over a half a year before it even has it's first hearing?
Is this an
Elk Konnected, LLC proposed plan? Is it designed to benefit
Elk Konnected, LLC friends and members by using our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
There is no or little difference between
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners running our County Government in my opnion?
I am really beginning to believe that Elk Konnected, LLC is actually the "Old Guard" that they refered to in their letter that indicated there was something wrong with having an
"Old Guard", what do the rest you of
Elk County taxpayers and citizens think?Would
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks please try to clear the air on this?
How about you Kounty Kommissioner Liebau, care to clear the air and let us know where you stand?
Is it with
Elk Konnected, LLC or
Elk County?Would either one of you care to explain the ethics involved in what is happening?
Everyone in the County knows you read this forum and ths thread, so this is a very good vehicle for responding to the voters. don't you think?
I know Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau finds these posts vile because he told everyone at a Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeeting and told me himself personally at that meeting/? I would just like to know what is vile, is it the Konnected thing, or is it the honesty ? Or is it asking for honest answers?
Here is your chance, will you take it ?
Where are all those
Elk Konnected, LLC Followers ? How many of them are there? Who are they?
Won't they help the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner make a showing and help them communicate with the voters?
Afterall it is an election year.
Let's get the vote out in August?
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Ross, you're like a pit bulldog. No quit in you. :-*
Patriot, I'm very impressed with your latest tone and willingness to debate in your posts. More people will pay attention now. ;)
Flintaqua, quite an inteligent and factually focused part of this forum. 8)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 27, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
Ross, you're like a pit bulldog. No quit in you. :-*
Patriot, I'm very impressed with your latest tone and willingness to debate in your posts. More people will pay attention now. ;)
Flintaqua, quite an inteligent and factually focused part of this forum. 8)
Why thank you Bullwinkle.
By any chance did you read KonnectedKounty Kommissioners Hendricks column in this weeks newspaper informing the community what took place at the County Commissioners Meeting this week.
Strange isn't it, I couldn't find her column, I wonder why?
If you find it, let me know please?
I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. LOL
If it's not there
I bet there is some plausible excuse
for not writing the column this week,
I'm anxious to read it, aren't you?
Or do you suppose, she doesn't want it in the paper, that two Konnected Kommissioners failed to second a very good and honest motion by the only non-konnected Commissioner sitting at the Commissioners table? Will that be in the minutes?
Can't you see how Elk Konnected, LLC is controlling our County just like the "Old Guard" that Elk Konnected, LLC wrote about in their public letter?
What is their
real purpose with this Community Revitalization Program?
Is it purhaps to provide for themselves, or their friends, or their family?
Where is the study they claim in the proposal?
What is really happening here in Elk County?
Is it Corruption, or just a lack of ethics,
just what is it ?I was told Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau at the beginning of Mondays meeting said he was tired of being called a crook. Now I ask you, why would he say that at a County Commissioners Meeting? Will that show up in the minutes of the meeting?
I think it is very important for the health of Elk County that we get out the vote in August.
Don't you Bullwinkle?
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
Dang, here we were having such a good time with feed back from the Followers?
What happened?
It kept the conversation going.
Did this subject finally get to vile with the truth?
Talking about vile, I've been wondering Konnected Kounty KommissionerLiebau, do you find Mr. Taylor's post's in his on line newspaper, under the Editorials, his opinions about our Kansas Governor vile as well ?
I'm really curious what you find vile about my posting my opinions and questions, would you be so good as to tell me and everyone else?
Oh and when doing County Government business, shouldn't it all be documented?
For instance in your proposal for Neighborhood Revitalization program the paper work says a study was performed, can we please see the documentation?
And while you are at it how about providing some numbers on the tax rebate program?
Numbers that show how much money will be returned to the builder/ taxpayer?
I'd like to see the rebate on the following figures especially since there is no upper ceiling or cap:
Lets start with the low end cap of $20,000
then the following numbers:
$50,000
$100,000
$500,000
$1,000,000
$2,000,000
This should be no problem at all for our county tax people to put together quickly and easily, don't you think?
How about working for a constuent on this simple task, instead of working for Elk Konnected?
It shouldn't take more then five minutes of your time, should it?
You could even have it posted on the County's expensive Web Site for everyone to see!
Quote from: Ross on June 27, 2012, 01:58:47 PM
So, I hear on the street that at the Monday County Commissioners meeting that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner said he was tired of being called a crook. I wonder who called him a crook? What is it he is really saying?
There is an old say that goes, if the shoe fits wear it.
However, I only question the ethics of the association of votng by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for everythng and anything and the moneys their Organizaton comes to the Commssioners asking for?
And the ethics of turning moneys over to Elk Konnected, LLC without having accountability for the spending of such money in the form of reciepts for every dime. It's public information, let's see it posted on the County (very expensive) web site for the public to see. Or is Elk Konnected, LLC allowed to pocket the leftover $'s?
I also question the ethics of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners failing to second Mr. Ritz motion to correct the starting date on the proposed Community Revitalization Program. A very honest thing to do, why? The key word being proposed, meaning how can something being proposed have a start date over a half a year before it even has it's first hearing?
Is this an Elk Konnected, LLC proposed plan? Is it designed to benefit Elk Konnected, LLC friends and members by using our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
There is no or little difference between Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners running our County Government in my opnion?
I am really beginning to believe that Elk Konnected, LLC is actually the "Old Guard" that they refered to in their letter that indicated there was something wrong with having an "Old Guard", what do the rest you of Elk County taxpayers and citizens think?
Would Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks please try to clear the air on this?
How about you Kounty Kommissioner Liebau, care to clear the air and let us know where you stand?
Is it with Elk Konnected, LLC or Elk County?
Would either one of you care to explain the ethics involved in what is happening?
Everyone in the County knows you read this forum and ths thread, so this is a very good vehicle for responding to the voters. don't you think?
I know Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau finds these posts vile because he told everyone at a Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeeting and told me himself personally at that meeting/? I would just like to know what is vile, is it the Konnected thing, or is it the honesty ? Or is it asking for honest answers?
Here is your chance, will you take it ?
Where are all those Elk Konnected, LLC Followers ? How many of them are there? Who are they?
Won't they help the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner make a showing and help them communicate with the voters?
Afterall it is an election year.
Let's get the vote out in August?
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE
And you my fine sir should go back from where you came! This county has enough people that think they are smart when in fact they are clueless. Our commissioners are doing a great job. They do not need pain in the asses like you.
Quote from: dee on June 29, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
And you my fine sir should go back from where you came! This county has enough people that think they are smart when in fact they are clueless. Our commissioners are doing a great job. They do not need pain in the asses like you.
Glad to have you join the discussion. Can you provide a few specifics regarding your views on the 'great jobs' the commissioners are doing? I have no doubt that King George III, his court, & many serfs had views similar to yours regarding a few outspoken asses in their time. In that case the asses included the folks listed below. Sometimes outspoken asses shed light where there's been darkness for a long time.
Georgia:
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
North Carolina:
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Massachusetts:
John Hancock
Maryland:
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia:
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware:
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
New York:
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey:
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts:
Samuel Adams
John Adams
Robert Treat Paine
Elbridge Gerry
Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins
William Ellery
Connecticut:
Roger Sherman
Samuel Huntington
William Williams
Oliver Wolcott
New Hampshire:
Matthew Thornton
All signatories to the US Declaration of Independence
Quote from: dee on June 29, 2012, 07:07:51 PMAnd you my fine sir should go back from where you came! This county has enough people that think they are smart when in fact they are clueless. Our commissioners are doing a great job. They do not need pain in the asses like you.
Nice first post... ::)
Anyway, would you be so kind as to tell us how this county has some of the best benefits of living here versus all of the other counties in Kansas? I mean, surely this county has endless amounts of benefits to offer considering it is one of the highest taxed counties in Kansas... right? And that's only scratching the surface.
Sure, you have every right to an opinion and can honestly believe they are doing a great job though surely if you feel that way about them then you feel the same about congress and the president... right? Again, you have every right to feel that as well but I implore you to read up on history and to find out exactly what kills nations... you'll find that the very things our leaders are doing (at every level of government) have time and time again resulted in failure and in some cases much, much, much... MUCH worse than simple failure. Depression, oppression, mass loss of life.
Politics isn't just some game we can play and if we get it wrong we can press a reset button to start over. No, politics has real life consequences... consequences that most people can't afford. Please do some research into history and see just how bad this path is that we are on at every level.
Quote from: dee on June 29, 2012, 07:07:51 PM
And you my fine sir should go back from where you came! This county has enough people that think they are smart when in fact they are clueless. Our commissioners are doing a great job. They do not need pain in the asses like you.
Thanks for calling me a fine sir, however, I am simply a redneck!
However I would find it more of a compliment if you just hollered, hey redneck, thank you!
dee, you know what, my first reaction to your post was one of astonishment.
Astonishment at the fact that you could say such ugly things, then I simply stopped and gave your post some more thought. And I realized, you gave no thought to what you posted, and therefore you have earned my sympathy.
You see, I am where I belong, I am where I cane from, I am American Citizen who has served in the military service of this country for 10 years during the Vietnam Conflict, this country, the
US of A is where I came from, I was born and raised in this country. I am also a resident and a tax payer in Elk County which means this particular part of the country is my home, which again, is where I belong. Your rudeness only reflects ignorance to these facts.
Your rudeness, also shows your ignorance of a persons rights under the constitution of our country.
You see you have no more right, to live in Elk County than any other person, whether they are rich or poor. And the fact, that you can not handle the truth shows through in you rudeness as well. Once again, earning my sympathy, I feel so sorry for you.
You are right, I am clueless about the connection between
Elk Konnected, LLC and it's membership and it's connection with our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their plans. I am also clueless about Elk Konnected, LLC and
"The Old Guard" that they wrote about in their open letter. Perhaps, you could clue me in? After all, I have been asking for over a year and no answers, why? No answers, from the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, why? No answers, from
Elk Konnected, LLC, why? I hope, you won't be like them and perhaps with your great deal of knowledge, can clue all of us in, Can you do that? Can you tell us who the registered members of
Elk Konnected, LLC are?
Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, just as I and everyone else is, so I have read your opinion and I very sincerely disagree with you. And that too is acceptable under our constitution.
In closing, I'd like to say if this country had more pain in the asses like me, perhaps we would not have all the lying and cheating on capital hill and perhaps our country would not be on the verge of a greater depression then the great depression.
Our governments are suppose to be government of the people, for the people and by the people. Not a government of the Corporations, the LLC's or the Wealthy now is it? Those are the problems that lead to corruptions aren't they?
By any chance were you at the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting when Konnected Kounty Kommissioner
Liebau's own
aunt called him on the carpet for allowing
Elk Konnected, LLC to hijack the
Elk County web site?How did you feel about
Elk Konnected, LLC, hijacking the
Elk County emergency call system?And these are just the simple things, right? Are these acceptable to you?
Can you honestly answer these simple questions?
What else is being allowed by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners behind closed doors?
I don't believe that last question can be answered, do you?
But, hey if you believe they are doing such a good job, you have every right to vote for them. And I hope you do. Your vote will count equally as mine and everyone else's vote.
So go for it.You are doing yourself, such a disservice by being rude. Since Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau refers to my posts as
vile, I wonder how he would classify such a rude post as yours, don't you wonder?
It's a pleasure to visit with you and I want to wish you a good night and I hope you can find it in your heart not to be so rude in the future. It just is not very becoming of you.
WOW !!!
Moline you have out done yourself this year with the Dyn-o-mite Crazy Days.
The bean feed Friday evening was terrific and Saturday morning's parade was really terrific!
I expect nothing less for tonights hog roast. I have always enjoyed Crazy Days.
To all those people that VOLUNTEERED to put Crazy Days together, I must say you deserve a
BIG PAT ON THE BACK. GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB GOOD JOB
http://www.hutchnews.com/Bizag/sun-biz--change-public-square-leadership
Quote from: Bite25 on July 01, 2012, 08:30:09 PM
http://www.hutchnews.com/Bizag/sun-biz--change-public-square-leadership
GREAT POST !
No conflicts of interest ? ?
No ethics involved ? ?
She is still listed as of this moment as Steering Committee Member on the
Elk konnected, LLC web site.
Our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is now the president of Public Squares Communities and she votes to give her
Elk Konnected, LLC Organization money out of
Elk County Coffers ?Didn't Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks once state she did not benefit from any money's paid to Public Squares Communities, LLC ? ? ?
Planned For three years, really ? ?
REALLY ? ?Liz Hendricks, of Howard, will replace founder Terry Woodbury as president, a position Woodberry has held since 2004.
Does that mean she now owns
Public Squares Communities, LLC ? ? ?"We've been planning this leadership succession for three years," Woodbury stated in a news release, "so it's especially rewarding to see that our dreams and plans brought us to this turning point in our growing organization."
ISN'T THIS A WAKE UP CALL PEOPLE? ? ? ISN'T THIS A WAKE UP CALL PEOPLE / ? ? ISN'T THIS A WAKE UP CALL PEOPLE ? ? ?
"We've been planning this leadership succession for three years," Woodbury stated in a news release, "so it's especially rewarding to see that our dreams and plans brought us to this turning point in our growing organization."
It's not really a surprise, either.
Isn't this the same elected Commissioner Liz Hendricks who founded Elk Konnected & turned almost immediately to Mr. Terry Woodbury in January of 2007 for help organizing Elk Konnected, LLC & Elk County under the Public Square Communities, LLC banner. Read this : http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php (http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php)
And isn't this the same Liz Hendricks who told the public at a commission meeting in May 2011 that she had lived in Leoti, KS for a time several years ago, knew 'of' the Woodbury family, but do not know Terry Woodbury?
The same Liz Hendricks who, also at that meeting, clearly said that Elk Konnected did not take public (taxpayer) funds... right before we discovered they had received taxpayer funds from the City of Longton to help pay fees to Mr. Woodbury's company, tried the same in other towns & have been directing the usage of Special Recreation fund (taxpayer provided) monies for several years.
The same Liz Hendricks that. at the same meeting, who admitted Elk Konnected had received a $3,000 scholarship grant from the KS Commerce Dept. (taxpayer monies) and diverted the money to pay annual fees to Terry Woodbury's private company.
The same Liz Hendricks who is, in spite of her undoubtedly soon to be busy (out of county) schedule as Public Square President, is running on the Democrat Party ticket as an incumbent Elk County Commissioner this year?
Looks like some vague answers are finally floating to the top. Wonder what else is in store. In any case, congratulations Liz.
You know, I have asked a lot of questions about Elk Konnected, LLC and I just can't seem to get any real answers, why do you suppose that is?
I mean a simple question, like what has Elk Konnected, LLC done to provide the "Superior Quality of Life" they claim on their web site, what have they done?
Now that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is a PRESIDENT perhaps she is in a better position to explain what is going on with that "Superior Quality of Life", do you suppose you can provide us some answers? Or are the citizens of Elk County below your station in life?
Oh, very important question isn't Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau PRESIDENT of his business?
President Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks now that you have add yet another hat to you many hats as you have said in the past, I feel compelled to ask: If you happen to get re-elected to County Commissioner what is to prevent you from quitting the job like you did with the West Elk Coaching Job? Is that what really happened?
Didn't you just walk out on all those children, before the end of the school year, because your life got to busy? What will prevent that from happening again? Wouldn't that cause the County to have to spend more money to hold another election?
I don't know, I'm just asking?
But, if that were the case wouldn't it be advantageous to the County were to elect someone else?
It seems these days everyone is a president, doesn't it? Oh, the big money men and really important people are referred to as CEO's now a days aren't they?
But back to that "Superior Quality of Life" thingy. Who would that be for?
I'll tell you , I chose to live here in Elk County, because of the Quality of Life, Elk County offers, and to tamper with it would be a mistake in my opinion. This is a rural area and you don't hear sirens all day long as you do in the cities. You also don't have bank robberies and shooting out here. I heard just the other day in Independence a person riding their bicycle between 12th and 14th street on Popular street was shot 5 times. Do we have that kind of quality of life out here? NO! The only area Elk Konnected, LLC could really do any good would be the area of poverty, do you think all those visionary's could work on that problem?
And that brings me to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's remark at Commissioners meeting that he directed at the audience by saying, "If only Mr. Ross would volunteer!"!
He still has never told me what he thought I should volunteer for, why?
What do you volunteer for Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau?
How come Elk Konnected, LLC pay's volunteers $8.00 an hour?
How many volunteers do you have and how much do each get paid?
For you Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau if you were to pay me to volunteer, the same wage I received when I was working, I'll consider volunteering just for you?
But, the personal volunteer stuff I have done and still do on my own, will remain my own, and my personal business.
Well, that's enough rambling for now! Yes, I know I appear to be a thorn in the side, but if I could just get some honest answers, who knows what might happen?
Let's hear from the Elk Konnected, LLC Followers now!
I am going out on a limb and guessing:
Ms.Hendricks ,if she runs and gets it she won't stand a chance if ELK Konnetected approaches the Board of comissioners for money and she doesn't recuse herself. That is flat out unethical! I, myself will call the County Commisioners Board and request a hearing, or whatever they do with the protical (sp)l.
ready
What's wrong with the
"Community Revitalization Program"
First their proposal is predated over 7 months back to Jan 1, 2012, right?
Second it claims a feasibility study has been performed, where is the study for Elk County?
Third it appears to be only aimed at the wealthy that already have plans to build, doesn't it?
Forth it appears they have already received 4 or 5 applications for a proposal, before there is even a hearing.
That to me means they are sure it will pass, don't you think?
Was this proposal put together by our County Economic Development Employee who is also on the
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee (or as I like to call it, their Board of Governors)?
Fifth a motion was made at the Commissioners meeting to change the date on the proposal to a date after the proposal might be approved. This was tabled by lack of a second by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks/President of Public Squares Community, LLC or by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau. Does that sound proper to you?
What is the real purpose of this proposal?
Isn't it to allow some of our neighbors the opportunity of paying their fair share of property taxes by returning a large percentage of their tax money by calling it a rebate?
If this doesn't exactly make you happy, you can vote in new County Commissioners, right?
You can get the word out, to change things in Elk County.
As Margret Thatcher
(former Prime Minister of Great Britain )
Once said
"Socialism is GREAT - UNTIL you run out of other people's money".
Even if the present Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks/President of Public Squares Community, LLC
and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau pass this thingy before the elections, I believe the new County Commissioners Can repeal it.
So, you see your votes next month are very important.
Voting is a privilege and a great honor.
I believe this might be an opportunity to get the
"Old Guard" the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks referred to in one of her open letters, out of County Government, don't ya think?
V O T E I N N E W C O U N T Y C O M M I S S I O N E R S F O R A P O S I T I V E C H A N G E I N E L K C O U N T Y
Are you Konnected ?
What?
No Konnected Followers responses?
No one can answers any questions?
No one can dispute any questions?
Are you Konnected? Is anyone really Konnected?
Really is anyone, Is anyone Really Konnected ? I can't seem to find anyone Konnected, Why?
So, you see your votes next month are very important. Voting is a privilege and a great honor and a very important responsibility, please use it wisely.
I believe this might be an opportunity to get the
"Old Guard" the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks referred to in one of her open letters, out of County Government,
don't ya think?
How about it Elk Konnected, LLC with all your talk of positive stuff ,
don't you agree it's time for a positive change in
Elk County Government ?Fresh County Commissioners and Fresh Ideas from Fresh Visionaries
If we don't hear from you, or your followers, what few there are,
then I guess it would be ssafe to assume,
you think a
positive change would be good
for Elk County,
Right ?
Great Moral Ideas I don't think so, I think, Great Moral Bust is more like it.
What I witnessed at the County Commissioners meeting today was just plain ugly in my opinion.
I saw what looked to me like to be two very unhappy Konnected Kounty Kommissioners gang up in an ugly manner attempting to intimidate County Commissioner Ritz.
Do you think you will read that in Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks newspaper column?
Do you think you might read that in her next open letter to the public? No, I don't think so either.
However, the intimidation did not appear to me to be working, in my opinion.
What happened to that Konnected happy, positive attitude?
But still folks this was far worse then when Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau yelled at me about volunteering and calling my post's here on the forum vile.
What I feel, I saw was very vindictive, malicious and far worse then vile.
Is this the Konnected way?
Do we need this kind of un-business, unprofessional like behavior in our County Government.
It's like this proposed Community Revitalization Program thingy. I asked to see the feasibility study that was mentioned in the copy that I had read.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said I don't read anywhere in the proposal about that. I received a copy from a county employee and sure enough it was there. It had been rewritten once again. And mention of the study had been left out.
In my opinion Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks new it had been rewritten but would not just simply say so, instead says I don't read that in here, or something to that effect.
I asked that they perform a feasibility study and guess what, no response, don't you wonder why?
Again my opinion, a truthful study would probably show there is probably no benefit to Elk County as a whole.
But guess what folks there are four applications for this PROPOSED Program before there is even a single hearing.
I told the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that it appeared to me that they have already passed this proposal.
And I asked, how they could be accepting applications for a program, that hasn't even had one of the two hearings, before it can be approved?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau said something to the effect that he applies for a bull tag in August and doesn't know until September. I told him that is an already approved program.
This is not an approved program and that he can't compare apples and oranges. Meaning comparing an approved program with a proposed program.
I asked what the rebate on a TWO MILLION DOLLAR REBATE would be, do you think I could get an answer? NO!
Do they care? I don't think so. They call it rebate, I like the name kick back much better. But I behaved myself and didn't call it that during the meeting, even though I wanted to?
They Don't Seem to care about giving tax breaks to a few people, and guess what, I don't think they will care when they increase your property taxes in the near future.
Do you really want to keep this bad attitude going in Elk County?
Do you?
If so just vote for the same people and keep them in office!
I've lived here since 2012 and I have paid my property taxes each and every year.
Now that the county is getting the Wind Farm money there are groups lining up with their hand out begging for some of that money.
That's almost equivalent to one third of the county's tax collection from all the atxpayers. You and me!
Should any of that money Be turned over to any group, while the county continues to raise our property taxes?
Should anyone get tax breaks while the county continues to raise our property taxes?
If you think not, I hope you vote that way!
2012? Very strange.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2012, 11:47:28 AM
2012? Very strange.
Yes, Diane you're right.
I personally find a lot very strange about our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner controlled commissioners panel.
And just in case you haven't noticed none of the Followers are disputing any of these questions or statements or my personal opinion on this subject.
Oh, a month ago or so, one or two said it was such a small piddling amount, why worry about it.
If that wasn't a
gigantic puff of hot air, what was it?
Heck, they aren't even calling me nasty names any longer.
I wonder where the Followers went?
Heck, I find it really strange that more people aren't busy asking for a feasibility study on this new proposal, I wonder why?
Perhaps as I have said, because there is absolutly no way that the program wil lure people to move to Elk County?
It would be real simple, simply ask the population growth in other counties that have implimented this program, right?
If there has been major population explosions in those counties it would readily show it is worthwhile.
If not, then we would know it is only a scam on the rest of the county's honest taxpayers, in that particular county, don't ya think?
Are politicians above scamming the public? I don't think so, do you?
Why can't they tell me what the kick back on a $2 million dollar investment would be?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks answered my question with a question.
She asked if it would be a bad thing if someone made a $2 million dollar investment?
I responded that, that was not what I was asking. I never recieved an answer?
Just like a true politician, avoid the question by asking question unrelated to the answer, right?
Mis-direct she did, no answer.
But consider this, if someone is already planning to build a $2 million dollar home in an obscure corner of the county, but are holding off until this package is delivered, how does that help the county?
All I see is a legal means of property tax evasion, I see someone not wanting to pay their fair share, I see all other tax payers in Elk County supporting a mooch, I also see every honest taxpayer getting screwed over.
Show me something postive about this proposal besides hot air.
Why don't we see
Elk Konnected, LLC setting up a question and answer session between those running for County Commissioner and the Voters of Elk County?
Wouldn't that be a thing that a civic group like that, would do?
Wouldn't that benefit the candidates and the voters?
Wouldn't that bring the communities together?
No, I'm not talking about a circle of chairs that look like a multi-ring circus, I don't think that would work, do you?
I think having microphones for the candidates and one for the audiance and give everyone a chance to ask their questions.
Perhaps, the questions would be to difficult to answer, perhaps it would be too difficult to deflect or mis-direct, I just wonder?
Perhaps because their visionaries haven't thought of it, or perhaps it would be to difficult for them to accomplish, perhaps that is why it won't happen, what do you think Diane?
Don't forget to vote!
I just wondered if you'd been time traveling. As far as anything else, I've moved on.
As usual Ross, she's avoiding the substance of the issues and focusing on what was obviously a typo regarding how long you said you've lived & paid taxes here. Never mind the elephant in the room, let's worry about the fly speck on the window. Deflect & divert, it's part of the liberal mentality.
Quote from: Ross on July 09, 2012, 09:48:03 PM
I've lived here since 2012 and I have paid my property taxes each and every year.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 10, 2012, 04:56:33 PM
I just wondered if you'd been time traveling. As far as anything else, I've moved on.
ROFLMAO! ROFLMAO! AT ME!
Did I say I've lived here since 2012, I sure did. LOL
I had a slight distraction while typing, my 14 year old son.
No, I'm not blaming him, I simply had to give him some momentary attention.
I'm saying I am human and I do screw up, and more then I care to admit.
I meant to say I have lived here since 2005, please accept this simple correction, thank you.
I suppose to, the fact that our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want to back date a proposal to 2012 that hasn't even had it's first hearing and has already been accepting applications just sux to me. It has the ring of a scam to it in my personal opinion.
I hope you understood that Diane, because that was the real reason and subject of the post!
But my blunder was good for a laugh on me. Thanks for pointing it out.
I hope everyone gets out and votes for positive change in Elk County Government.
As I said, I've moved on, not in this discussion, and Patriot's obvious lack of respect of a poster is one of the main reasons why. I wasn't speaking to him. "Ridicule"....the instant weapon of the other wise intellectually unarmed. As in Patriot.
Nothing has changed...just pointing out a funny. It's a shame some are clinging on to being even remotely civilized by their fingernails. Leaving again. Bah!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 11, 2012, 01:20:53 PM
As I said, I've moved on, not in this discussion, and Patriot's obvious lack of respect of a poster is one of the main reasons why. I wasn't speaking to him. "Ridicule"....the instant weapon of the other wise intellectually unarmed. As in Patriot.
Nothing has changed...just pointing out a funny. It's a shame some are clinging on to being even remotely civilized by their fingernails. Leaving again. Bah!
I believe Patriot is justified. Our county has some pretty rediculous stuff going on, that can cost taxpayers considerable!
Now that may sound kind of strong but I do believe most taxpayers in
Elk County are on
low or fixed incomes and probably can not afford further taxation either.
I personally don't believe the
County can afford to give tax kick-backs (rebates) to special people while raising taxes on everyone else. They in no way show that such a plan will bring growth to
Elk County. And to top it off back date the whole thing and already accepting applications.
I also personally believe this proposal is an
Elk Konnected, LLC(or as they refered to in their open letter as
"The Old Guard", and I believe that is exactly who they are because they will not dispute it.) program. The reason I feel that way is because it is being proposed by two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and a Konnected Kounty Economic Development employee who was suggested to be hired by the
Elk County Government, by
Elk Konnected, LLC.
Doesn't this sound like some kind of scam?
Doesn't it sound like Prince so and so has money he needs to move to a bank in Amerika and will give you a million in your account if you will hel him out?
So, although the pun was made towards me I can appreciate Patriot's remarks about missing the jist of the message.
So don't be so easily offended. But apparently you are still following the discussion and hav just posted to it.
is this 2 million dollar investment,the waste transfer station that is going to bring tons of trash from other places?
Quote from: upoladeb on July 12, 2012, 05:54:12 AM
is this 2 million dollar investment,the waste transfer station that is going to bring tons of trash from other places?
I don't know anything about a waste transfer station. However I don't think it would b
e unreasonable for someone to build a 1 or 2 million dollar home. Therefore I would like to know what the kick back would be on those figures. And If a county commissioner is incapable of answering such a simple question then I don't believe that commissioner has done the work required to propose such a plan.
I'd also like to see a study done that proves such a program would create a population growth and not of just 5 or 10 people.
Did you see, Elk Konnected, LLC blew their chance to invite the candidates to debate or present themselves to Elk County Voters? The
Grenola Community Club is on the front page of the newspaper as planning a candidate meet and greet on Monday, July 23rd from 7-9 pm. in
Grenola. Good Job Grenola.
I'm looking forward to the event.
We do have
real
actual
and great
Communities
in Elk County
that care.I also read in the newspaper about the
Elk County/ Elk Konnected, LLC Summer Kids Day Camp and it make me wonder why Elk Konnected is like such a
leach on Elk County Sponsored events? Can't
Elk Konnected, LLC do anything
original and on their
own? Why does
Elk Konnected, LLC need to attempt to take credit for what the taxpayers provide for through their county government?
Just like the special event being put on by the
County Employee who has the title of
Elk County Youth Development and is paid by the
Elk County taxpayers. She is putting on a Dive-n-Movie at the Howard City Pool. But in the paper it says Elk Konnected and
Elk County Youth Development is putting on the event. I wonder if Elk Konnected, LLC is really doing anything at all. After all why should the taxpayers of
Elk County be paying for an
Elk County Youth Development Employee is she can't do the job? Or is it just
Elk Konnected, LLC leaching off the
Elk County Government because they have two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners? It just doesn't make sense to me, so perhaps
Elk Konnected, LLCmight accept this request to explain just what they have to offer and if perhaps we can stop wasting taxpayers money paying for an
Elk County Youth Development Employee? Perhaps the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners can give her a full time job with
Elk Konnected, LLC instead of just a job on their steering committee, do you suppose?
After all wasn't it
Elk Konnected, LLC that suggested that the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hire this person for and create the job? I'm surprised your visionaries haven't came up with the idea of you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners giving her a full time job with
Elk Konnected, LLC ? She could do grants for you and do entertainment directly in the name of
Elk Konnected, LLC, can't you see how well that would work? Can't you see how that would save taxpayers money and maybe even lead to a possible reduction of property taxes for everyone? And then boy, would people be lining up to move to Elk County! Just think, they would flock here so fast, those other programs, that are only aimed at a very few people, wouldn't be needed, would they. Especially, since those other programs would cost the taxpayers more money then they are worth, right?
When I was a kid, there was what we called a mooch amongst us, he didn't want to work and earn money, so he would beg us for money, so he could go to the movie with us or go to the skating rink with us. Well you know, it finally got so bad, it was as if he were a
leach. You know, those black slimy things in the river, that latch on to you and suck your blood. Well, we finally had to tell him
NO. We told him he would have to work and earn his own money or do without. He learned some very important
values and it made him a better person. He ceased being a
leach. He became very productive and had his own money to have a good time on. Now isn't that a great story? Yes, it's a true story and not fabricated as a fake third person story written to myself and placed in some magazine or newspaper, refreshing isn't it ?
Toss, you are obviously an individual with a personal vendetta and you will stop at nothing to put down these young hard working people. I think the voters are going to see all the work and effort they have put forth for Elk County and the people of all ages in Elk County. I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect so don't start saying I do.
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 12, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
Toss, you are obviously an individual with a personal vendetta
A vendetta not hardly.
Our government is not suppose to take the position as the enemy of the the people that pay it's taxes?
I'm not the one who has been hostile!
Honest answers to honest questions is all I'm looking for?
And all I get is smoke, and threats, why?
Why is it so difficult for our Elk County Government to answer questions honestly without retort ?
Why is our
Elk County Government so hostile ?
Why do they feel they have the right to deprive the citizens of
Elk County of public information ?
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 12, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
and you will stop at nothing to put down these young hard working people.
Who are they?
Who are the young people you are refering to?
You are only providing smoke and no substance, why?
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 12, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
I think the voters are going to see all the work and effort they have put forth for Elk County and the people of all ages in Elk County.
I do believe that the voters will see right through your smoke screen, for the benefit of the majority of the citizens and taxpayers, because, I believe they will see, like I do, that there is
nothing in that statement.
What people?
What exactly have they done?
Are you refering to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 12, 2012, 09:59:23 AM
I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect so don't start saying I do.
It doesn't seem like anyone has anything to do with Elk Konnected, LLC ----- Not even you ------- I wonder why that is? Why do you suppose that is?
Perhaps because there is no membership, just a few people involved in attaching the organization to everything the taxpayers
Elk County Government does?No one wants to admit being a money donor, no one wants to admit being a member ------ Why?
The line between
Elk Konnected, LLC and
Elk County Government of the people, for the people and by the people is just so blurred to me I can't seem to find it, why do you suppose that is?
Perhaps, do you suppose because, we have two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that always vote to for
Elk Konnected, LLC and whatever their organization asks for from the county coffers?
Perhaps, do you suppose because, we have two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
and a Konnected Economic Devlopment Employee that keep secrets from the taxpayers about who they are working with?
That information, I believe is public information, why keep it secret?
When someone asks for taxpayers money, why keep it secret?
The only confidential information is, that party's personal financial information, right ?
The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests". - Patrick Henry
Great quote from my blood ancestor, Ross . Patrick was a true patriot.
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 12, 2012, 09:59:23 AMthese young hard working people
Sometimes it takes some actual work to take away peoples' rights, to tax them as much as possible, and to do everything one possibly can that is absolutely wrong with government that historically never has nor ever will work like what they are doing now.
The big government disease IS here in Elk County and we're trying to get people to understand that so that we can remove it. Its that simple, there's absolutely NO vendetta... well, unless you want to consider it a vendetta on big government. In that particular case I personally am game. :D
Do you see that Oldtimer, people do see through your smoke, your statements with no substance?
When elected officials appear to be more interested in their own private organizations then providing honest answers to taxpayers, it tends to stand out like a sore thumb, doesn't it.
When a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner takes the time to raise his voice in praise of Elk Konnected, LLC to avoid a question concerning the County's Economic Development in order to avoid the taxpayer's question it raises all kinds of red flags, don't you think ? I have a hearing problem but, I sure didn't have any problem hearing that praise.
Most of the time I strain to hear what the Commissioners are saying during the County meetings, but if they wish to ignore or evade a question just listen to voices to raise.
Oldtimer, have you ever visited a carnival and visited the games on the midway?
Have you ever questioned the honesty of the games?
Then you surely understand they are rigged so you can't win, right?
It's sneaky, but legal, right?
Does that make it right?
That in my opinion is the same kind of sneaky, I see that happening right here in Elk County, tell me please Oldtimer, is that what you think Elk County deserves?
Did anyone happen to read Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, County Commissioners column in this weeks newsppaper? You know, the one where she wants to inform the public of the highlights of the County Commissioners meeting? I could not seem to find it!never or seldom makes it to the print in the newspapers these days.
I thought it would have been very interesting reading to hear about the nastiness during the open forum, to bad the truth seldom.
None of the three county commissioners are sneaky. None are only out for themselves. None receive kickbacks. All three are honest.
Quote from: dee on July 13, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
None of the three county commissioners are sneaky. None are only out for themselves. None receive kickbacks. All three are honest.
You are entitled to your opinion and I am not one to even consider otherwise.
BUT
Why secrets about county government business concerning supposedly Economic development?
Who was or is the party our
Konnected Kounty Economic Development Employee said she was
secretly working with?
Something very sneaky to me about that?
Who are the four parties that have all ready applied, for the Community Revitalization Program that is only in the proposal stage.
Anyone that files documents with our county government, does not have a right to remain secret, it is public information. County government business is every taxpayer and voters right to know!
I believe there are very few circumstances where county government business is
secret business and that is suppose to take place at the commissioners meetings in executive session!
Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong?
Quote from: dee on July 13, 2012, 03:13:00 PM
None of the three county commissioners are sneaky. None are only out for themselves. None receive kickbacks. All three are honest.
dee, I think there are more people that agree with you than agree with Toss. Toss thinks if he says the same things over and over enough times people will believe him.
In either case, agree or disagree, let's hope they make their assessments based on verifiable fact rather than coffee shop hearsay. There are millions of dollars of hard earned taxpayer monies & the future of a history rich county at stake. Yes, it takes some effort to verify.... but it's important to do so.
[quoteNone of the three county commissioners are sneaky][/quote]
Sneaky is not the word I would use. When two of three (2/3) of the commissioners vote for a passing of taxpayers monies to benefit an organization that not only is one that they are affiliated with, but created a position that benefits it, and not recuse themselves - that is not only selfish, but highly unethical.
Sneaky? no.
Unethical, yes. Worthy of handling my tax dollars, should I move there? Not only NO, but Hell No!
ready and hot (not that way ! :) )
And when one or more in their official capacities as commissioners deny that the company in question takes or has taken any public funds when, in fact, public records reflect otherwise.... there's a name for that too.
When such things persist over one or more elections I guess one must assume the voting public a) doesn't know, or b) doesn't care and enjoys being taxed for the privilege.
But..but...but Patriot: "I have known them for YEARS and we grew up together! They wouldn't do that!"
okay, um....okay.
ready
Quotedoesn't care and enjoys being taxed for the privilege.taxed to help their buddy
There IFIFY
ready
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 13, 2012, 06:03:35 PM
Dee, I think there are more people that agree with you than agree with Toss. Toss thinks if he says the same things over and over enough times people will believe him.
Oldtimer you are so wrong!
I don't ask anyone to agree with me!
I don't even suggest people believe anything I say.
I suggest each and every person think for themselves.
And it would not hurt my feelings one little bit, if you straight out called me a liar!
But it is simply a fact that you are either incapable of answering any questions put forth in this thread or refuse too based on some weird reason. Why?
Why are all the Elk Konnected, LLC followers, what few there are, so evasive?
Why can't they explain what they have done beside leach on to every Elk County Goveernment program that they can leach on?
Why can't they explain how
Elk Konnected, LLC will provide a Superior
Quality of Life, they talk about on their web page?
How is it
Elk Konnected, LLC plans to Strenghten Family Life in Elk County, they talk about on their web page ?
What business does
Elk Konnected, LLC have in messing in various family lives ?
What has
Elk Konnected, LLC done besides ask
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner for
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, which I feel they used to advertise their company by giving out lollipops?
And Oldtimer, I'd like to respectfully ask you, if you recognize the relationship between
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau ?
And finally Oldtimer, I'd like to ask you, do you ever question or wonder or downright feel that our Federal Government ever does anything wrong?
Do you ever question or wonder or downright feel that any of our President's of our great country has ever done anything wrong?
Do you trust all Federal Agencies to do the right thing, always?
Aren't all those Federal Officials upstanding citizens that can be trusted all the time?
If so, why do they keep getting called on the carpet?
What's the difference between questioning them and local politicians?
Oh, that's right you grew up with them?
How about the ones running against them, didn't you grow up with them?
Can't they be trusted to do a better job?
What gives?
Just wondering!
I just watched a show about a cult and it posed the following questions:
Are you Centered ?
Are you Judgemental ?
Have you the Strength of a Group ?
Are you Enlightened ?
Do you possess Serinity ?
Do you have Visionaries doing your thinking for you and know what is best for your happiness and well being ?
And I wonder how people could really think like that,
I find it mind boggling that people actually fell for that stuff,
back in the sixties and seventies,
don't you?
Should we just survive in a void?
Or, should we ask questions and expect honest answers?
Why, is it we can't get an honest answer?
Doesn't it make you wonder?
Just some honest thoughts and questions from me , that's all, nothing more !Just a reality check!
No answers to the thoughts are requested, thank you.
Happy
Loss SciFi Saturday. LOL
(A Poem of Protest by a
74-Year-Old Great-Grandmother)
Divide and Conquer in America – 2012!
HISTORIC OPPRESSORS WITH INNOCUOUS NAMES
By: Alice Connally Fisk ( AFisk10302@aol.com )
The generic word "oppressor" is rarely heard today
their game's the same but the label itself is very much passé.
Oppressors all have brand names now to conceal their old-time aim
to confuse, outfox and at last destroy the rank and file, their game.
Oppressors laugh at us everyday as they turn up their old-time heat
sporting names quite bland to disguise their Plan, these conniving old elite.
So for common folk who can't even imagine what it's all about we show -
the mobs listed below are Oppressors-in-Fact – they simply don't want you to know.
First, Google the New World Order perched at the peak of the global tree.
They're the olden golden aristocrats with outstanding pedigree.
Ever dividing the common folk in their quest to enslave our earth,
they're the original bluebloods-of-power, privileged since elegant birth.
To learn even more 'bout this tiny percent read through all the websites listed -
they're evil and dangerous, cagey and cruel, and every last one of them, twisted.
Yes, slavery is back on the table and our great middle-class must Go.
Plunged ever deeper into poverty by corporate Masters running the show.
Sinking our mainstream into the poorest of pools as we take our final dive
to slave on worldwide plantations – owned by the wealthiest goons alive.
Now "elitist" is the umbrella term for those at the top of this stack.
If the salt-of-the-earth throw their blinders off, they'll see this deceitful pack.
Then there's Trans Pacific Partnership with its dynastic corporate claws
seeking Americans give up legal sovereignty and jurisdiction of our laws
to great foreign powers to override hard our very own laws and our people -
oppressors convened to sell America out via blueprints drawn high in their steeple.
Then along comes Citizens United, mega-billionaire Pacs-of-prey
united to rile and divide us all as they steal our great country away.
These elitists walk always among us and their list goes ever on
using monikers new and strategies old to advance their gargantuan con.
Calling themselves by reputable names, the jig's up if they're known as "oppressors"
but that's what they were and ever will be, our earth's menacing, wicked, aggressors.
Some cooler more generic names also describe this hell-bent bunch
and should enrage us all to rise up in arms, not forever stay out-to-lunch.
There's plutocrats, multinationals, megalomaniacs galore
systemic power brokers and ever-so-much more.
Corporate-owned Republi-crats and kleptocrats to boot -
the same old vile oppressors in the same old vile cahoot.
Gnomes of Zurich and the Cayman gang, the 21st century lords
set to conquer their hypnotized masses, ever dividing the common hordes.
With corporate-stream "news" to fixate the folks of a "markedly lower station"
to hook them forever on healthcare or race, religion or orientation.
With stockpiles of hot-button issues for us to argue, scream and fight,
to tear us apart, to keep us at odds, in our old internecine plight.
To keep us forever in the dark, their sole mission's to spellbind "the rabble"
via bogus celebrity scandals and smoldering bling-bling babel.
So when "commoners" see all these tactical spins sown by these thugs beware -
they've come to mesmerize Americans as they craft their latest scare.
"The masses all battling each other can't see it's us they must lock their sights on!"
say oppressors of old who were great at their game, 'til arrived the legion, Anon.
Elitist oppressors have one purpose alone, our 'junk genes' by brute force to smother -
to create massive amounts of counterfeit wars, pitting common folk 'gainst one another.
Elitists / oppressors are one and the same, make note of it just for the books -
oppressors of old, now known as "elite" are the same old insatiable crooks.
They're brilliant and subtle, engagingly twisted – folks fall hard for this slippery Clan.
They're set up far and wide to cause our divide – their furtive ancestral Plan.
So just Google the New World Order to find your future Masters names
then picket their sprawling plantations, stunning mansions, and corporate Games.
Their tactics, oblique but malevolent, we must shed light on all roles they play.
They're humanity's oldest oppressors – fiercely dividing our USA.
Don't ever wonder what elitists all crave – they need slaves for their New World estate.
Our forefathers command STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK! before it is ever-too-late!
From final resting places our rebels discern that our plummet from freedom is dire
they demand we kick-ass, ignited at last, by our own revolutionary fire!
Fiendish corporate regimes rule our Congress while our rank and file meekly submits.
From hallowed graves rebels ROAR to our people: "GET UP OFF YOUR KNEES!!"
you twits
http://occupynewhampshire.org/2012/07/14/divide-and-conquer-in-america-2012-a-poem-of-protest-by-a-74-year-old-great-grandmother/
In my opinion,We seem to have negative attitudes in Elk County driven by positives that have nothing good about them, which are being used only to manipulate the citizens of Elk County.
So how does Elk County plan to deal with NEGATIVEPOSITIVE (yes make that one word OR EVEN REVERSE THE TWO WORDS a POSITIVENEGATIVE) attitudes that are apparently only for the purpose of manipulation and control.
VOTE THAT'S HOW, RIGHT?
sneaky not the word I use for 2 of them in 2009 they got rid of people for no reason 2 of us where layed off cause county was out of money ,but 2 days before Lackey hired someone. Then we were told we would be brought back in the spring ,hell Im still waiting ,I bet Iput in 5or6 applications in past 3 years to get back on.Think it was put in file 13 ,thats the trash can. one guy had been tere 20 years ,you get on someone sh-- list bye bye. MAY sound like sour grapes coming from me ,hell it is they hire people from out of the county pisses I guy off .
Let's give some more thought to positive and negative attitudes.
If
Elk Konnected, LLC says somthing is a good idea that is positive thing, right?
Even when they disagree with City Councils within Elk County, even going to the extreme of dissing those communities in an open letter. That's another positive thing, right?
But, if you disagree with their tactics you would be considered a negative person. do you get it yet?
In other words you are not suppose to think for your self, let them few
Elk Konnected, LLC members do your thinking for you, you have no right to question their motives or reasons, think about that?
How does that work?
Well, if you speak out, don't the Followers put you down? call you names?
say you were not born and raised here?
Don't they do all those positively good things? All the while they still want to take your tax dollars?
Yes, in my opinion they want your tax dollars, as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
All these are very positive things and attitudes right?
Giving tax breaks in the form of kickbacks or rebates what ever you wish to call it, to a few people, is suppose to get people to move to Elk County. Really, how?
Is that really provable?
NO, in my opinion!
Isn't that why, there is no study being performed for Elk County on this subject?
Why not do a study then?
Because this move will not cause a growth in population.
Theyeven use the word stimululate, in the proposal, really?
How might that relate to the Fed's stimulus packages?
Those packages apear to have devalued my dollar, I seem to get a lot less for it these days?
Those were billions and billions of dollars and have they helped the economy?
It will only allow some people to pay less then their fair share of property taxes, just think about that? No matter if they pay the full property tax and then the county writes them a rebate check or gives them a kick back it's the same thing? Less Property Tax for a few! If the county can afford to give reduced taxes for some why not all?
This hair brained idea of giving kick backs on property taxes for a few people and telling you the population is shrinking, another positive attitude, really? Is This is really new information? In what way?
They even have some employees inside the courthouse saying people have to get over their negative attitude. I find that attitude to be very negative towards the very taxpayers that pay their salaries, don't you?
You may call me anything you want, even negative.
But I am pretty positive that the word positive is being used by some in a very twisted and negative manner. I simply ask that you consider how easily that can be accomplished.
Is it a positive thing the Elk Konnected, LLC ask it's Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, to give their privately owned company money, from the county coffers and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners give it to them? How is that a positive thing?
Is it a positive thing the
Elk Konnected, LLC uses county money to purchase t-shirts with that money to put their company name on them?
How does that become a positive, using county money to advertise for a privately owned company?But, I guess it must be a positive thing, because two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted for them to do that?
Right?And Is it then a positive thing to USE or
exploit the children of Elk County as
walking billboards, advertising for Elk Konnec
Elk Konnected, LLC ted, LLC?
Is it a positive thing to place on those t-shirts Elk Konnected Summer Day Camp, when in fact it was an
Elk County Summer Day Camp?Are Elk County citizens being duped, used and treated as a bunch of dummies?
That must be another one of those really positive things, because they say so right?
I was informed by a county employee that negative stuff on the forum is not good for Elk County!
Well consider the fact the people that are doing the things questioned, could avoid any negative appearance, by providing an open and honest dialog. And we all know they are reading this, and other threads on this forum, and we also know, they have communicated right here, what could have been construed as fairy tales, Right?
So, who really pereptrates the negative?
So where are the responsible people with the answers, are they actually leaders or not?
Why, is it no one can answer a single solitary question, openly and honestly?
Please refer back to the previous post, the poem by a 75 year old woman.
Isn't it time to vote in someone new.
Voting is important:
On August 7, 2012
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November 6, 2012
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Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Let's get out the vote.
I know you mean well, but ya better learn more about Alice Connally Fisk before you jump on her particular protest wagon." OBAMA 2012." 8)
By the way, what does being a 74 year old great grand mother have to do with anything? This particular lady has been an activist for a very longtime...won't be out on the front porch with her knitting! ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 18, 2012, 07:46:44 AM
I know you mean well, but ya better learn more about Alice Connally Fisk before you jump on her particular protest wagon." OBAMA 2012." 8)
By the way, what does being a 74 year old great grand mother have to do with anything? This particular lady has been an activist for a very longtime...won't be out on the front porch with her knitting! ;)
Diane I'm not jumping on anyones protest wagon.
You seemed to have missed the message in the body of the poem.
About how words are twisted and used to confuse people.
Just as the fact that she is a 74 year old great grand mother, is really there to add some kind of idea, that she is an honest person.
Isn't that the same idea behind some one saying they are a priest or preacher, a county commissioner or a chior boy or even saying they are a cop? Does that make them honest?
Because someone says a person is a reputable person, does that make them reputable in all situations, or does that make the person reputable in everyone else's eyes ?
Is every organization ---- for profit or non-profit ---- to be trusted just because a group of people organized?
Are visionaries real or are they just a hoax? Where is their crystal ball? LOL
What is the difference between a scam and a hoax and a smoke screen, don't they share a common thread --- dishonesty?
If I wrote a letter praising myself, and stated that, I was welcomed with open arms by many people as an expert in military leadership and sent that letter to the general public, signed myself as R. Someone who Knows Everything About Everything .
Would you believe it?
Would you consider it diecietful?
Would you consider it a lie?
Or would you believe it to be truthful Diane?
I believe the jist of the poem is "Open Your Eyes" , can you see that?
I'm not discussing National Politics on this thread, I feel local politics is just as important as the National Politics.
Maybe, because I can't afford higher property taxes while the local Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want to give tax breaks to a few. Perhaps relatives, friends, cronies whatever the case may be. By having some
COCKAMAMY program that is really not originally designed for rural use. And they won't do a study to prove whether the program will or will not do what they claim.
So Diane, the point is to open your eyes and ignore the twisted words but notice the lack of documentation.
I hope, I have explained my self suffeciently.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Diane, I don't read a single thing from
Elk Konnected, LLC or the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners or their Followers providing any positive feed back or disputing anything in this entire thread. Just name calling and threats, percieved or otherwise. No real answers to any questions, why?
That in and of itself speaks volumes don't you think?Just my opinion, nothing more. Have a great day, Diane.
Voting is important:
On August 7, 2012
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November 6, 2012
Well, hello folks,
Are we warm enough on this bright sunshiney Sunday?
Well personally, I'm praying for rain.
I recently attended the Moline Crazy Days Parade and I was pleaseantly surprised by the quality of the parade.
I really enjoyed it.
Great job Moline.
Saturday, I attended the Howard County Fair and was very disappointed in it. The good thing about it is, it was so bad, it made the Moline Parade look like the Rose Bowl Parade.
IMHO.I have always enjoyed the Longton parade, and I am looking forward to seeing it again this year.
Their little parade has always been so much fun to watch.
I do try to enjoy and support the community events as best I can.
Now, I would like to just like to ask Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau where were all the
Elk Konnected, LLC Volunteers and Followers and the Visionaries, that want to give
Elk County that
Superior Quality of Life ? Why wasn't the little, privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC represented in either parade ?
Don't they take pride in the Elk County's
(real) Communities and the real communities activities ?
Where we all the yellow T-shirts that you asked the County Government to buy for you with Elk Konnected printed on them ?
Are you ashaned of them ?
If not ashamed of the T-shirts, Why weren't they in the parades ?
Do many of the shirts exist ?
Or is it just the "one" I happened to see ?
Why didn't
Elk Konnected, LLC, pitch in and sponsor either communities activites ? The announcer at the parade Saturday read off a list of sponsors and I never heard Elk Konnected, LLC, mentioned, WHY ?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC lack (real) community pride ?
Or are they too good for the rest of us ?
Or are they just into their own imaginary community ?
It's a shame we will probably may never get any answers, don't you think that's a shame ?
Would it be perhaps, because, it would not be like the Elk County Government activities, where there is money, from the county coffers involved ?
Perhaps, because a County employee is involved doing the work, that is paid by the taxpayers, but is also Konnected ?
Would it be Elk Konnected, LLC, perhaps makes a few dollars off of the County Coffers some how ? Is that a possibility ?
County Commissioner Hendricks please come back to the forum and explain to us, please? Or is it just because Elk Konnected, LLC, can leach off the county government ?
I did notice little bitty stickers that said Hendricks for County Commissioner or something to that effect on some horses asses. They were just to small for me to read clearly. And I just got a brand new prescription and brand new glasses. Oh, well no big deal. I read some of the other candidates signs pretty easy, so I think they were more serious about running for office.
Perhaps, we should vote to keep these Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with all their Konnected Ideas of Community Pride in office, so they can continue to vote to give money from the County Coffers to Elk Konnected, LLC ?
LET'S DO IT !!! LET'S VOTE !!! IN AUGUST AND NOVEMBER !!!
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Good grief! Well, since you opened the door, how, pray tell, did the Howard Rodeo not meet with your apparently "professional" critic's expectations? Apparently you were also expecting Moline's parade to be a flop since you were "pleasantly surprised" by it? How does one compare a rodeo to a parade anyway? Did you write a critical piece for the paper? I guess I missed it.
If that's how you "support" the community events perhaps you'd prefer to stay home next year and not expose yourself to such disappointment? Or get on some committees so they can benefit from your vast experience and knowledge. ::)
Why is your "review" in the political section anyway? How does a rodeo become political? and why? I really don't get it. Geeze! Stir that pot Ross. How much are you being paid to stir it? Inquiring minds want to know! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
QuoteWhy is your "review" in the political section anyway?
Oh, pshaw Dianne! ;)
The review brought into light the Elk Konnected involvement.
Can't you connect the dots?
If you can't introduce the main issue, one goes to another issue that brings to light the original one, ergo in the Political thread.
And therein lies the main issue.....now
what was it? Politics or the Parade...
ready for a Hot Toddy!
Quote from Diane:
How does one compare a rodeo to a parade anyway?
Did I miss something? Can't seem to find where Ross mentioned a rodeo. Thanks in advance for putting me on the right trail.
Sorry, I thought the Howard County Fair included a rodeo as a main event. Otherwise, what I said stands!
Totally off topic, but has anyone ever seen two unrelated people who write as if they were one? Would that be a coincidence, collusion, or would it be a psychic event? Never mind... back to your regularly scheduled programming.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 22, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Good grief! Well, since you opened the door, how, pray tell, did the Howard Rodeo not meet with your apparently "professional" critic's expectations?
Nothing professional about my personal opinion, just as there is nothing professional about your comments.
You in my humble opinion are not a good spokes person for
Elk Konnected, LLC especially since you are way out there on the north east coast. But, I have to give you credit for trying.
But is that the very best you can do, in support of
Elk Konnected, LLC from long distance?
Reading something in, that I had nothing to say anything about? I did not attend the Rodeo because of a previous engagement. My remarks were centered on the parade and the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization
Elk Konnected, LLC, get the story straight,
PLEASE ! ? Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 22, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Apparently you were also expecting Moline's parade to be a flop since you were "pleasantly surprised" by it? How does one compare a rodeo to a parade anyway? Did you write a critical piece for the paper? I guess I missed it.
Apparently, you are totally wrong. I have always enjoyed Moline's Crazy Day Parades. This year they, just out did themselves and did an excellent job. What the hell is wrong with a little praise for such a small community?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 22, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
If that's how you "support" the community events perhaps you'd prefer to stay home next year and not expose yourself to such disappointment? Or get on some committees so they can benefit from your vast experience and knowledge. ::)
You know, really I shouldn't stay home and not support the local communities, that is just the wrong attitude.
But I was asking where
Elk Konnected, LLC was with all their support?
What's with their attitude?
Where was their steering committee?
All their visionaries?
All their Members?
All their Followers?
Where was their support for this community event?
Is it they only leach off the County Government ?
Are they too ashamed to march in a community parade?
Where were all those T-shirts bought with money from the county coffers advertising Elk Konnected, LLC ?
You know the ones placed on the backs of Elk County Children as advertisement?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 22, 2012, 06:26:06 PM
Why is your "review" in the political section anyway? How does a rodeo become political? and why? I really don't get it. Geeze! Stir that pot Ross. How much are you being paid to stir it? Inquiring minds want to know! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Read the post again, it was mainly political? Yes, when the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners vote to give money from county coffers to their privately owned organization it is political ? It's not I that stirs the pot, I simply ask for some answers and no one seems to have any
real answers.
Why do you suppose that is Diane ?
Do you suppose this organization is that "Old Guard"
Elk Konnected, LLC has spoke of, only wearing a new dress? Do you suppose that is possible?
That was a lot of fun Diane, thank you.
Oh at the ass end of the parade, I saw on the ass end of horses, little stickers that said something about voting for County Commissioner Hendricks but, as I said earlier, I'm not sure what they said, because they were awful small.
I think we need new county commissioners.
I'm hoping at election time we end up with some new
County Commissioners that
care about
Elk County as a
whole, and
not just special interest for a few. I hope the rest of the County feels the same way and votes that way.
Have a good night Diane.
Quote from: Patriot on July 22, 2012, 09:04:43 PM
Totally off topic, but has anyone ever seen two unrelated people who write as if they were one? Would that be a coincidence, collusion, or would it be a psychic event? Never mind... back to your regularly scheduled programming.
You know what Patriot it does sound like someone else, to me as well.
Some one perhaps educated in twisting words and and controlling groups of people via the use of a circle of chairs.
However, I don't think the process works so well in this media.
Ir's like twisting words such as kickbacks to rebates and giving money away to special people as economic development?
That doesn't work for me either, but, it's just my opinion.
I admit I made an error about the rodeo. I thought you went. I know I shouldn't assume anything. So, OK, what about the County Fair in general did you not like? What didn't meet with your expert expectations and approval?
Was it the belly dancers? Bears on roller skates? Mud pie eating contest? The mosquito chariot races? Please enlighten us, who are just waiting to hear and take notes for next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I just copied your own writing style and tied a bunch of things together that really have nothing to do with each other. It was fun.
I don't recall saying anything one way or another about Elk Konnected. I doubt they would accept me as a spokes person anyway...and I'm on the mid east coast. I happen to like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing. I don't care what group they are or are not in.Tag, you're it!
You apparently have a preference for Longton at the expense of the other little towns, since you said you always enjoyed their parade and apparently don't always enjoy what Moline and Howard do, at least according to what you said, before you backed that horse up and rewrote what you had said.
See ? Now you know how it feels. If you don't like something, why not say nothing at all instead of insulting the time and effort people put in on those events.
As far as my making professional comments... who cares. I'm not the one trying to influence people to think like I do and become so " anti "any one group. I think you will be very disappointed in the changes that won't happen no matter who the commissioners are. Politics is what it is and certain things will happen just because they will. You will never be satisfied.
I do support the little towns out there, even from so far away. Not the same as being there of course, but I do what I can.
Ross, everybody gets it, they know your opinions in detail. More than a year's worth! Ad Nauseam! You keep asking "why" questions that aren't ever going to be answered.
So what candidate/s are you backing? Speak up and let those candidates know so they can benefit from your help and campaign knowledge. How will you vote? How goes Ross, so goes the election? Could it backfire? You might want to be careful. have you ever worked for a candidate in a big state or national election? I have and local elections also. It can be very complicated and you can hurt your candidate if you aren't very careful. Back to my political posting vacation...just have to twist your tail occasionally. ;) :angel:
Seems like you had quit posting on the political thread. Was thinking you were done with it.
Now I see you're still supporting the EK thing. That's sure appears to be a super liberal group
drawing their money and support from the State.
Red,
Does this ring a bell ? ;D
Quotes from Diane:
Reply # 3180
'll be back to the real me tomorrow, so we'll see how many of the verbal bullies or whatever they are will take advantage of that. I guess I'll have to get my final licks in here today, as I don't go on the political threads any more.
Reply # 174
That's why I've given up the political threads
Reply #270
I'll try to talk shorter, but keep in mind I don't go on the political forums any more at all and only here because it's in the coffee shop. I don't have many choices left.
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I left the politics threads never to return, so don't any of you bother asking questions of me on any of them.They will go un acknowledged and unanswered. Make sport of that as you all wish.
Yup, I had stopped and I was told I could change my mind. Look how many of my comments now are on political topics that migrated to other threads that are not labeled political and were allowed to stay. Because of that, if no thread is "safe, what the heck.
I don't plan on making it a habit. But since you folks changed the rules, I can still play when the mood strikes me.
Hey Jar, ya make me feel very special that you would take the time to go look up all that you posted. ;D As long as everyone is allowed to post and it's not titled "for ultra conservatives" only, a moderate Independent shouldn't be discriminated against, now should they? As far as supporting EK..I support any group who gets out here and gets things done.
Whether it's church committees, raising a church from it's ashes, parade committees, etc. That doesn't make all of them liberals does it? Or is it that conservatives complain a lot but don't do anything? ;) I had not planned to post here today but Jar pulled me into it...blame him... Still waiting to hear who Ross is going to endorse for commissioner, though I can guess. But wait, that means really getting involved. HA! It won't be long now! I gotta keep tail twisting.It makes people think.
Diane,
Don't hurt yourself patting yourself on the back because I did not go back and read posts to find where you were quitting the politics never to return. I kept the posts in my drafts folder when you posted them because I knew then that you were as full of shit as a Christmas turkey to even imply such a thing.
Nice to know you endorse the New Black Panther Party. Yep, them boys get things done---like keep whitey from voting.
The old Swabbie can speak for himself but why do you think he owes you, to tell you who he endorses for any election ?
So "someone" told you , you could change your mind ? Interesting ! Do you hear "voices" talking on a regular basis ?
"Tail Twisting" ???? You win---I don't even want to go there !!!
Sorry, Diane I have been very busy, here is the response you have been waiting for.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I admit I made an error about the rodeo. I thought you went. I know I shouldn't assume anything. So, OK, what about the County Fair in general did you not like? What didn't meet with your expert expectations and approval?
Was it the belly dancers? Bears on roller skates? Mud pie eating contest? The mosquito chariot races? Please enlighten us, who are just waiting to hear and take notes for next year. ;D ;D ;D ;D
I just copied your own writing style and tied a bunch of things together that really have nothing to do with each other. It was fun.
No, Diane you have not copied my writing style, you have totally failed, once again! I have never made such ludicrous request about such information. And Liz, (my new nickname for Diane) I believe that mis-direction may be one of your greatest assets both with
Elk Konnected, LLC and as Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, but you are failing terribly on this forum. You are failing at making this
Concerned Citizen, Taxpayer and Vietnam Veteran look the fool. I have only asked as pleasantly as possible, very simple and honest questions. I have not asked about belly dancers and mosquito races. I have also openly admitted to being an uneducated hick, with no college edumacation.
Yes, Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and Diane it is very possible for someone else to post under another persons name. And I believe that is what is happening here because Diane, I don't believe, I have ever said anything offensive enough to you, for you to retaliate in such a hateful manner. Your previous post was just not your style and neither was this post. This post appears to be more of what a politician might pull in an attempt to discredit a person, it has more of a ring of a bully and bullying tactics. So I really don't believe this is something Diane would write, and that to you Diane is a
compliment.Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I don't recall saying anything one way or another about Elk Konnected. I doubt they would accept me as a spokes person anyway...and I'm on the mid east coast. I happen to like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing. I don't care what group they are or are not in.Tag, you're it!
As I said, I don't believe you wrote this Diane and I hope you are not offended by me calling you by a nickname, I like Liz, okay. After all Diane you did say you were through with this thread and would not be posting any more and I don't believe that has changed.
You say, you like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing, I suppose you like all those high-faluting, highly respectable, wealthy, upstanding, honorable, forward thinking people with The Second Mile. I don't suppose you would question their motives, even a little bit, because they stopped talking and started doing? I don't suppose it would matter, to you, what they started doing, or why, either would it?
Well, in my humble opinion, you would be as wrong as they were or as wrong as they are? Please consider the reasons for questions and the reasons for failing to answer them. Read this article at http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116 isn't that a shockingly great organization.
So, do you still support just anything that is forward thinking and not talking and just doing? Well, if you do that is your right and privilege, and I hope you enjoy yourself. Of course, that in my opinion a very narrow minded way of thinking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
You apparently have a preference for Longton at the expense of the other little towns, since you said you always enjoyed their parade and apparently don't always enjoy what Moline and Howard do, at least according to what you said, before you backed that horse up and rewrote what you had said.
See ? Now you know how it feels. If you don't like something, why not say nothing at all instead of insulting the time and effort people put in on those events.
There you are twisting words again. I have stated on this thread, that I like all the little towns and their activities, so you are very wrong, once again, thank you. By the way this thread is about
Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk Konnected Kounty Komissioners, and
Elk County, not about Ross. So let's try to stay on topic, okay?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
As far as my making professional comments... who cares.
Well, apparently you do, because you started throwing the word professional around, not me. I have only stated, that I am a concerned citizen and taxpayer and apparently you don't appreciate that aspect of an
Elk County Citizen and attempt to discourage citizen input by using such statements. And that is why, I suspect that this post is written by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and not you Diane. Also, you claim not to be a bully and teach children agout bullying, isn't that right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AMI'm not the one trying to influence people to think like I do and become so " anti "any one group.
Oh, but you are trying to influence people, simply by the fact that you are posting on this political thread and by this personal attack, by using such a remark as ""anti "any one group". If you consider the asking of reasonably simple questions of a group "anti" anything, then I think, your thinking in MHO is flawed. I would think such a group of forward thinking people would be flattered that a person cares enough to ask. Especially, when they portray themselves as a community organization, why would they be offended? Wouldn't they be able to garner more support by being open and honest?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I think you will be very disappointed in the changes that won't happen no matter who the commissioners are.
Pardon my ignorance, I don't understand that statement, as I have stated many times, I don't have no college education. Does that mean the
"Old Guard" that
Elk Konnected, LLCreferenced in their open letter will still be running the county government? I don't understand the negative ring to your statement. Please clarify for me?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
Politics is what it is and certain things will happen just because they will. You will never be satisfied.
I do support the little towns out there, even from so far away. Not the same as being there of course, but I do what I can.
If you are truly so far away and you are truly Diane, which I doubt, how can you support these little towns?
Do you shop in their stores?
Do you go you attend their churches?
Do you pay property taxes in any of the communities?
Do you attend any of the community functions?
Do you vote for city council men/woman?
Do you vote for the mayor?
Do you volunteer for community clean up days?
You can claim you support any small town or major city in the US, but the proof is in the pudding?
So truthfully, you can't provide any kind of support that amounts to anything, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
Ross, everybody gets it, they know your opinions in detail. More than a year's worth! Ad Nauseam! You keep asking "why" questions that aren't ever going to be answered.
Why would a privately owned company that started out as a community organization by our County Commissioner Hendricks not want to answer a few honest, simple questions? Especially when she takes every opportunity to flaunt
Elk Konnected, LLC. Why is
Elk Konnected, LLC founder and
President of Public Squares Communities, LLC and Elk County Commissioner More than 5 year's worth! (in your words) Ad Nauseam! And Unable to provide any answers or any real results?
Aren't they really just the
"Old Guard" they referred to, only in a new dress?
Or are they a
Secret Society and that's why they won't answer any questions?
Or is it another one of those different thingys, you know the way Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks referred to some of the money in the County Coffers?
Why, last night at the
Meet and Greet the Candidates I heard Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau each mention their own names once when introducing themselves and asking for our vote, but I heard each mention
Elk Konnected, LLC several times. It sounded to me, as if
Elk Konnected, LLC was running for two seats on the County Commission. These folks have even bragged at a County Commissioners meeting that
Elk Konnected, LLC[/color] recommended that they hire a Youth Development employee and they, themselves are admitted Elk Konnected by their own words. Isn't that amazing?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
So what candidates are you backing? Speak up and let those candidates know so they can benefit from your help and campaign knowledge. How will you vote? How goes Ross, so goes the election? Could it backfire? You might want to be careful. have you ever worked for a candidate in a big state or national election? I have and local elections also. It can be very complicated and you can hurt your candidate if you aren't very careful. Back to my political posting vacation...just have to twist your tail occasionally. ;) :angel:
Now that is just rude, IMHO !
Just Plain Rude!
Now folks if you go back and read some of Diane's posts, I believe you might agree with me that this is not something Diane would write and I quote, "Back to my political posting vacation...just have to twist your tail occasionally."
I am not literally backing any one for any office. I have not made up my mind as of yet, who I might vote for. Perhaps there may be another
Meet and Greet the Candidate type of meeting and I may get further information. But, who I choose to vote for is and will be my personal choice and will be by secret ballot as provided by the law of the land. Just as everyone else is allowed. No, I will not tell anyone else how or who to vote for, this is a very simple and honest answer.
Your remark, "How goes Ross, so goes the election?" is very
moronic IMHO.
And your remark, "You might want to be careful.", would you please clarify that?
What do I have to be careful about?
Is that another one of those back-handed threats, that I have received on this thread?
Remember the threat of a lawsuit against me?
Is that the purpose your remark, is that what you are trying to do, intimidate me?
And now Liz (remember, my new nickname for Diane) that I have answered a few of your questions, would you kindly drop the attitude and answer a few honest questions, simply with honest and simple answers?
Personally, I simply encourage everyone to Get Out and Vote and who they vote for is their
own personal and
private business. Don't you agree?
Who knows, I might just vote for the incumbent, Mr. Liebau, but you will never know. And I won't know untiI mark my "X" in the little box, on my secret ballot.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Let's get out the vote.
You people stop talking at me and I'll stop posting here. Jar, I am surprised at you. Tsk. I must be getting close to something to get such a response.
Ross, you didn't answer my question about the fair. No one said you asked questions about the belly dancers etc .Can't you read? Iwas/am trying to figure out what you so rudely stated you didn't like. Now you are flailing at me looking for a plank to float on. Put on those cowboy undies and deal with it. I haven't failed. I've got you all stirred up so I must have done some thing right. So you don't have college...at your age, who cares? Your personality is on you by now to stay.
So you're a vet. Nice touch. That should get ya some sympathy. Why bring that up now? Most vets are good people.Ya came home alive didn't ya?
What are you flailing around for? You are trying to tie me into all sorts of things. I must have really touched a nerve for you to try so hard to discredit me, going off in different directions...Ya can't do it, so don't waste your time. You can stretch my statements and tie all sorts of knots in them.. Who cares? You want to believe what you want to believe and no amount of additional information or correction will ever change that. So be it.
You wrote the book on rude, so you should know it when you see it. Don't like it aimed at you? No kidding. Don't act like such a sad sack looking for sympathy. Now I have beans to snap. Don't you need to go tighten some loose screws or something? Ah, I love the smell of satire in the morning! ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 03:32:19 PM
You people stop talking at me and I'll stop posting here. Jar, I am surprised at you. Tsk. I must be getting close to something to get such a response.
Ross, you didn't answer my question about the fair. No one said you asked questions about the belly dancers etc .Can't you read? Iwas/am trying to figure out what you so rudely stated you didn't like. Now you are flailing at me looking for a plank to float on. Put on those cowboy undies and deal with it. I haven't failed. I've got you all stirred up so I must have done some thing right. So you don't have college...at your age, who cares? Your personality is on you by now to stay.
So you're a vet. Nice touch. That should get ya some sympathy. Why bring that up now? Most vets are good people.Ya came home alive didn't ya?
What are you flailing around for? You are trying to tie me into all sorts of things. I must have really touched a nerve for you to try so hard to discredit me, going off in different directions...Ya can't do it, so don't waste your time. You can stretch my statements and tie all sorts of knots in them.. Who cares? You want to believe what you want to believe and no amount of additional information or correction will ever change that. So be it.
You wrote the book on rude, so you should know it when you see it. Don't like it aimed at you? No kidding. Don't act like such a sad sack looking for sympathy. Now I have beans to snap. Don't you need to go tighten some loose screws or something? Ah, I love the smell of satire in the morning! ;D
My, my Diane are we being a bit touch and a bit of a slumgullion? Or isn't this representative of all
Elk Konnected, LLC Followers? And what a great job of twisting of words ! So, who is actually flailing around ? And sorry to have to break the news to you, but, I am not all stired up. Howeer, I am hungery and dinner will be on the table shortly. Yummy!
When have I been rude to you Diane, or is it Liz? I'm just not sure any more because of the attitude change in your postings. I have never known you to be so nasty in your posts. To Diane that should definitly be a compliment!
But it is not much unlike Elk Konnected, LLC holding a so called community conversation and calling the sheriff to remove members of the community, simply because they wished to ask a few questions and have a real comversation. Now, how rude is that? How could they do that? Simple, because it was actually an Elk Konnected, LLC meeting.
I am way above looking for sympathy, I am simply looking for some honest answers from our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
So now you disrespect Veterans as well, how gracious of you..
I hope you have a great evening.
Still putting words in my mouth and famously misquoting me still? For what purpose?
Jar, again with the Black Panthers? And you got it wrong as usual. Ya must be desperate!
Ever sit on a jury? Hearsay is just that, hearsay. Rumors created for a strong emotional response can be very hurtful if one is fool enough to believe the first cut. On a jury, it's just the facts.
The kid with the camera in Philly was trying to stir things up to create a story and he almost got more than he bargained for. No, I have no reason to fear the Black Panthers of today. Some of you defend the "new" KKK. So what's the difference? Unless one is a racist bigot that is. I'm not afraid of Hell's Angels either, and have patched up a few of them too. So what?
Ross ,when have you been rude to me? How many examples do you want? My word man, you didn't even make it through your next to last sentence with out being very rude and trying to set me up.
As far as how often and in what way I support Elk county and its citizens, that's my business, not yours. I'd hardly call supporting Elk County when I can narrow minded. Also trying to connect me with what happened at Penn State is very rude and you know it. I would have thought that beneath you. But desperate people don't care about what's right, now do they? See ? Your own style. End with a question to engage the reader.
By the way, I received a very nice e-mail a little while ago from an Elk County resident...just made my day. Now I need to go pack up what I need to take to the camp kids tomorrow who are doing fire safety. Yep, now that's forward thinking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
...But desperate people don't care about what's right, now do they?
And many people who are emotionally attached to or misinformed about a course of action or belief system won't consider change even when facts show their position or course to be folly.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
Also trying to connect me with what happened at Penn State is very rude and you know it. I would have thought that beneath you. But desperate people don't care about what's right, now do they?
Diane, I did not connect you to Penn State You did by what you said and I quote:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I happen to like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing. I don't care what group they are or are not in.Tag, you're it!
You said,
"I don't care what group they are or are not in."Don't you suppose if someone would have questioned what was going on that a lot of children would have been spared.
But i have to assume from your statement that people should not question such prestigious, wealthy, upstanding, forward thinking people that stop talking and take action. After all how many millions of dollars would the University have lost from rich donors?
But, do you suppose if the leadership would have done their jobs properly a lot of children would have been spared the abuse?
But your statement,
"I don't care what group they are or are not in." seems to indicate otherwise.
Anyway I simply responded to your statement by politely pointing the flaw in your thinking.
Here is my quote:
Quote from: Ross on July 24, 2012, 11:06:13 AM
You say, you like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing, I suppose you like all those high-faluting, highly respectable, wealthy, upstanding, honorable, forward thinking people with The Second Mile. I don't suppose you would question their motives, even a little bit, because they stopped talking and started doing? I don't suppose it would matter, to you, what they started doing, or why, either would it?
Well, in my humble opinion, you would be as wrong as they were or as wrong as they are? Please consider the reasons for questions and the reasons for failing to answer them. Read this article at http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116 isn't that a shockingly great organization.
So, do you still support just anything that is forward thinking and not talking and just doing? Well, if you do that is your right and privilege, and I hope you enjoy yourself. Of course, that in my opinion a very narrow minded way of thinking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 24, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
My word man, you didn't even make it through your next to last sentence with out being very rude and trying to set me up.
End with a question to engage the reader.
I in no way set you up, you simply made a statement on your own accord, that I could in know way have predicted.
And isn't engaging a person the purpose of communication?
There I am ending with another question, sorry about that.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Let's get out the vote.
It's apparent to me that Penn State leadership failed in taking morally correct steps to protect children at The Second Mile. All those extremely educated and extremely paid leaders, right?
Does anyone have any idea why?
Was it perhaps because of millions of dollars in donations may have been lost?
They needed their rich donors, right? Is that they way those people volunteered by donating?
And next I point out in the financial world what appears to be more morally deficient decisions, IMHO.
LONDON—More than a year before J.P. Morgan Chase Co. Racked up billions of dollars in losses from bad trades in its London investment office, Bank of England officials raised concerns internally about potential risks arising from some of the office's activities, but didn't formally alert other regulators, according to people involved in the central bank's talks.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443295404577546941210112970.html
And right here at home we are having old economic development ideas pushed on us? Why?
Whose idea is it really, for the present proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program?
Is it the idea of the visionaries at
Elk konnected, LLC like the big idea of theirs to hire a County Youth Development who is also an
Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee? And it appears to me she does more work for
Elk Konnected, LLC then for the county in that regard. Just MHO.
Where is Elk County, why is it still in the 20th century?I'll repeat this question down a couple of paragraphs.
The Institute for New Economic Thinking (INET) was created to broaden and accelerate the development of new economic thinking that can lead to solutions for the great challenges of the 21st century.
The havoc wrought by our recent global financial crisis has vividly demonstrated the deficiencies in our outdated current economic theories, and shown the
need for new economic thinking – right now.INET is supporting this fundamental shift in economic thinking through research funding, community building, and spreading the word about the need for change. We already are a global community of thousands of new economic thinkers, ranging from Nobel Prize winning economists to teachers and students who have emerged out from the shadows of prevailing economic thought, attracted by the promise of a free and open economic discourse. http://ineteconomics.org/About
Really, what is Economic Development? Commissioner Liebau could not define it for me at a Commissioners meeting, he said he just didn't know? My question is why are you doing something you don't understand?
To me Economic Development would be bring new business that provide decent paying jobs to the county. This in turn would attract more people to the county. These people woulf then be spending this new money in the stores and the business's in the county. But, I don't believe for one minute that is their goal. I think they just want to give taxbreaks, to themselves, their friends and cronies. Because building a new barn 5 or 10 miles in the country is in no way going to entice anyone to move to Elk County, now is it?
The proposed program, "Community Revitalization Program" is designed to be used in Communities not rural, farming, cattle, hence the name. I believe even the state advices against using it in county applications. In this case I strongly believe it is being used simply fo some to avoid paying their fair share of property taxes. If the county wasn't getting money from the wind farm do you suppose this would be happening? I don't think so?
Even
CEO's say we have a
Moral Obligation to ask questions. This man and I have at least three things in common. We are both men, we both put our pants on one leg at a time, we both ask questions. Now I ask you, why don't supposed leaders answer simple questions?
A
prominent figure in the business.
Alfresco CEO: 'There's A Moral Obligation To Question Some Of These Things Going On' He was referring to Internet business and the way it is run. But isn't County Government a business and shouldn't the people that pay property taxes have a moral obligation to ask questions of their elected officials?
http://www.businessinsider.com/alfresco-ceo-freemium-model-criticism-2012-7
Where is Elk County, why is it still in the 20th century?At the Meet and Greet the Candidates, County Commissioner Liebau spoke about our expensive computer system and our new Internet web site.
He said something to the effect that all of the county's information is now on the computers. He also said if a person wanted public information all they had to do was call the court house and ask for it. They would then either send you a PDF or a link. Why? Is that a control factor?
What is the expensive web site for?
If all the public information is on the computer, it's just a little effort to make it accessible via our expensive web site. You can check out most cities and county web sites and find tons of information, however, to access their property tax information you may have to log in with a password, but not always. It is public information. Heck, read the newspaper when they publish who is late paying their property taxes all the information is right there. If you want you can go down to the court house and ask to see the property taxes on any piece of property ---- even mine.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
How about adding a moral change?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Let's get out the vote.
Ross, I happen to share your thoughts on Penn State. I have a lot of friends who went there, since I grew up in PA and went to High School in PA. They as alumni are shocked and very sad. Penn State will never be the same. They loved Joe Pa like a father and he back stabbed them all.
Which brings me back to your not so innocent asking about when you were rude to me.Taking my comments about liking forward thinking get 'er done people out of context...you had been talking about EK.... and attaching it to Penn State is not only rude, it's dishonest. Several of you do that a lot and it shows very bad character. I've done it to you myself trying to get you to understand, but for some reason you just don't get it. I'm not the only one who suffers from seeing their posts torn apart and reattached to things that had nothing to do with the conversation. Your high school English teacher would be shocked! Now it's getting really bad in the politics sector too. Pres.Obama got swatted for saying that businesses didn't do it all alone when they started up..I do know what he meant and I'm sure you do to. That's been ripped out by it's roots and completely spun around.
Now it's Mitt's turn. In talking about the Olympic athletes when he was in charge. He stated to them that they hadn't gotten there by themselves. I know what he meant, but standing alone...what a put down to those kids who worked their hearts out to be good enough to compete. It's disgusting that people feel they need to treat each other like that.
If I was a betting woman, well....okay I am, this is my wager:
I bet that come election time ,that there are new faces in the mix, and that Elk Konnected will no longer be a contention, or under the microscope of some townsfolks.
If Ms. Hendricks does win, then there will be more scrutiny as to Elk Konnected's functions by the townfolks.
I think Elk Konnected will never go away!
I say 1 beer, or beverage of choice on this matter!
ready and thirsty
I'm bettin on your side, but up the ante to a bottle of Far Niente chardonay!
QuoteFar Niente chardonay!]
WTH??? Mulvane Wineriy is the best we can do around here! however, you're on. If we win I will have it left at the local coffee shop! lol
ready
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 25, 2012, 11:37:23 AM
Which brings me back to your not so innocent asking about when you were rude to me.Taking my comments about liking forward thinking get 'ER done people out of context...you had been talking about EK.... And attaching it to Penn State is not only rude, it's dishonest.
I sorry you don't comprehend the point. There was no disrespect meant in that post.
It was used only to make an honest point.Please remember, I'se an unedumacated hick. No college papers or any of them thar things. First let's get this straight I did not take your comments out of context and I once again quote from your post: /b]
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I happen to like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing. I don't care what group they are or are not in.Tag, you're it!
I repeat your words once again:
I don't care what group they are or are not in. That to me meant you could careless and would not question the activities of such groups.
You accused me of setting you up, well the article I quoted, I had only read moments, before posting it to you. So I could not have known in advance to set you up.
The point is as responsible citizens we are not suppose to sit back and be sheeple and obey the rich and powerful or groups that claim to be visionaries, or miracle workers or because they claim to have statewide accredation. We should also not sit back and let them
exploit our children in any form.
Our County Government has a College Educated Employee that has been hired as Economic Development and Youth Development. Her budget for youth Development according to a County Commissioner is $10,000 a year. Also the County recieves grants for the Elk County Summer Day Camp. The youth development is the sole responsibility of our paid employee. Just what does
Elk Konnected, LLC a private company have to do with it? Except exploiting our county employee, and our county children? And even exploiting our
County Commissioner positions?
IMHO Just what does
Elk Konnected, LLC contribute?
Even Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau said he volunteers by donating money and leaves the work up to the younger people. Now I hav never heard of volunteering by sitting on the couch and make a financial donation. Please Correct me if I am wrong but isn't volunteering getting out there and giving a hand? I do believe I am as old if not older then Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau. And when I volunteered to help at the church that recently, I helped carry a piano and a pulpit, we loaded it on to a trailor and it was driven across town, and I helped with hands on to move them into the new temporary church. No I am not a member of that c hurch, it was strictly out of the kindness of my heart to volunteer for a worthy cause. No, I did not donate any money because I live on a fixed income and I had recently had some extrodinary expenses. But would it be better to donate and call it volunteering. Isn't that just a twisting of words? And this is the man that told everyone at a County Meeting that if only Ross volunteered, really?
But back to your remark it seemed to indicate that concerned and responsible citizen should not question people of this sort ? Why?
The particular instance, I used is still very fresh in the news. But what about all those other organizations that had questions raised about them by responsible people. The Boy Scouts, The Girl Scouts, The Church, I suppose you would never question the Leaders of these forward thinking get 'ER done people.
IMHO I don't suppose you question our forward thinking get'er done federal government either? No, you know what, I bet you do. I bet like almost everyone else you would like to see the corporate world out of our government. Am I right?
Well, it appears to me that is what we have here in
Elk County. And neither the forward thinking get'er done or any of the visionaries at
Elk Konnected, LLC the privately owned company or our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will answer any questions? And therefore I think even more questions need to be answered.
IMHO Do I care if
Elk Konnected, LLC stays or goes, NO I do not care as long as they are honest about their boasting about such things as listed on their web site. Like, how they plan to strengthen families, how they plan to create a superior lifestyle in Elk County.
I would simply like to see
Elk Konnected, LLC out of our county government and no blurred lines. Simple right? I'd also like to see them behave as every other LLC or privately owned business in Elk County and stop leaching off of the County Coffers again very simple, right?
Diane I'll ask you what is so terribly wrong about honesty?
I gone for tonight, I hope you have a good evening.
I hope everyone has a good evening.
And I pray we get some rain from the small storms in our area.
Good Night All.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
How about adding a moral change?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
Let's get out the vote.
Quote from Diane:
Jar, again with the Black Panthers? And you got it wrong as usual. Ya must be desperate!
Ever sit on a jury? Hearsay is just that, hearsay. Rumors created for a strong emotional response can be very hurtful if one is fool enough to believe the first cut. On a jury, it's just the facts.
The kid with the camera in Philly was trying to stir things up to create a story and he almost got more than he bargained for. No, I have no reason to fear the Black Panthers of today.
Yes, I have set on a jury, more than once, but have no idea what that has to do with the price of tea in China. You accuse me of being desperate ???
I'm sorry I had it wrong about the Black Panthers trying to intimidate the white voters in Philly. Silly me for thinking that the thugs stood in front of the door, in their Ninja suits, whacking their night sticks in the palm of their hands---to think they were just there for a photo shoot. They sure hood winked me and a few other million people. Some talking heads yet to this day are still pissed at Holder for not prosecuting them but what dumb bastards they are---after all they don't live in the neighboring state so what the hell would they know? I hate to be the one to ask you a question and drag you back into the Politics section which you adamantly swore off of but please enlighten us hicks on why the Panthers were standing in front of the doors with their threatening gestures and night sticks ?
See what I mean about the rumor process? How about just the facts, as it would be in court.
That polling place was in a black neighborhood, most, but not all the voters arriving were black.
A rumor got started that the BPs were going to bother any white people who showed up to intimidate any black voters to keep them from going in to vote. A rumor had also started that there would be a contingent of whites visiting all the primarily black polling places to help them decide not to vote. Just rumor, not a word of truth in any of it. Just trouble makers having a chance to stand back and watch people react to the trouble they had caused! They were back some distance from the doors, not in anyway blocking them. In fact the camera showed voters easily coming and going. There's those rumors again.
The one BP thought his presence would stop any mean spirited whites from trying to start anything to keep the black folks from voting. Only the one BP had a night stick and was acting all ugly and tough.The other PB was a legitimate poll watcher and greeter who lived there in the neighborhood. Many people knew him personally from the neighborhood.They were not afraid of him at all. The two PBs had almost nothing to do with each other outside the polls.
Then the kid showed up with his camera, hoping to get a story, even if he had to create one himself. Somehow he had heard the rumors. You didn't see the other people behind the cameras just standing around doing nothing in particular. Remember this was a landmark election.
The BP with the stick did say something stupid to one white voter, who then called police., That BP brought it on himself. The other was causing no trouble and was just doing his job as poll watcher and greeter.
The police came and did take the one BP way for shooting off his mouth and swinging his stick in a threatening way, but he didn't hit anyone. He went to court and I expect you know the outcome. Now if you are genuinely so interested in all this, please tell me all about what happened at the same polling place in 2010. ;)
I'm back. Had to take phone call from a Wilmington newspaper reporter. He's doing an a little article on Newark's Safety Town Day Camp and wanted my input from the fire company support side and what we teach the kids, and what else we do.
I know. I know...boring to you, but it's my 32nd year doing it, so I do know just a bit about it. ;D I suppose that's considered "boasting" too. Sorry about that.
Diane,
Are you trying to be humorous ? You must be because I got a big belly laugh reading that rant. Do you not know that us hicks in Elk county have TV's now. We can watch the news and with our own eyes we watched what was happening. You want to know something else---we get more than two station nowadays. We don't just get our news from MSNBC and CNN. You got two thugs dressed alike in black with their black beenie weenies on their head--one has a night stick so he was acting "ugly & tough" but oh no, not the other one---he was a "legitimate poll watcher and greeter " and although both of them belong to the new Black Panthers, "they had ALMOST nothing to do with each other outside the polls"
Please forgive my latest rude outburst of uncontrolled laughter but you are cracking me up.
Tell you what---we are gonna have an election here shortly---maybe I can talk Patriot into joining me in front of the polling place---we will wear sheets like them KKK guys do---Patriot can stand out by the curb with a billy club in one hand and a little burning cross in his other hand and I can stand back near the door and be a "legitimate poll watcher and greeter". You wouldn't have a problem with that would you ?
I'm sorry you don't get it and I'll not try again to get you to understand. YOU SAW ONLY THE NATIONAL NEWS COVERAGE .We saw the local coverage on the Philly stations.It was the media who tried to stir things up hoping that one BP would fall for it and he almost did. If your memory is so good, think back on how it all turned out in court. Don't you remember how I said I personally felt about it? Why is it important now anyway?
As far as your last paragraph, I don't know how the state of Kansas feels about it or the little cross, but if you were obeying the laws and kept your mouth shut, I'd have no particular problem with it. Get up in my face and touch me and you'd be needing new balls. Unless you call me back I'm done here.I hope for good. I got another nice E-mail today.
Ross, I'll try this one last time.
Why are you pretending to be so dense? You have fixated on one sentence from me that was connected to an entirely different topic and moved it out of context so it would seem I was speaking universally when you know perfectly well I was posting about Elk County. That is very unethical.Yes, I like the movers and shakers in Elk County who will try to fix things that are found to need work or support and I don't care if the people are EK, some other group or just individuals who try to get something done. And I don't need to brag about what I've done out there like you seem to think you need to do. Everyone. except the chronic complainers, appreciates what people do when they give of themselves. As for what I do, they and I know and that's enough. I would like to be done with this...or didn't you win enough points yet? ;)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Ross, I'll try this one last time.
...dense... fixated... very unethical... brag...like you... chronic complainers...
What was all that past tripe about bullies? Hypocrite. Here are some thoughts from Ann Coulter that might clear up some of the mid-east coast, moderate independent's drivel...
Political debate with liberals is basically impossible in America today because liberals are calling names while conservatives are trying to make arguments.
Liberals don't believe there is such a thing as "fact" or "truth." Everything is a struggle for power between rival doctrines.
Words mean nothing to liberals. They say whatever will help advance their cause at the moment, switch talking points in a heartbeat, and then act indignant if anyone uses the exact same argument they were using five minutes ago.
Just as we're always told that schoolyard bullies are actually deeply insecure, liberals rationalize their own ferocious behavior by claiming to have been wounded somehow. What about the little guy our poor, insecure bully is beating the living daylights out of? How's his self-esteem coming along? That is the essence of liberals: They viciously attack everyone else, while wailing that they are the victims.
I love to engage in repartee with people who are stupider than I am.
Ann Coulter
Diane,
As you have been told we are not hicks in Kansas. You can tell us anything from 3,000 miles away and you are just a blow heart. Stay in you state and we will stay in Kansas. BS is Bs no matter how you put it. Sounds like Obamas BS.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Ross, I'll try this one last time.
Try what one more time? To change what you actually and factually said?
I'll re-quote the fact once again, maybe twice for you, okay?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Why are you pretending to be so dense?
I am not pretending to be dense, I only quoted the facts. You education is failing you about that fact.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
You have fixated on one sentence from me that was connected to an entirely different topic and moved it out of context so it would seem I was speaking universally when you know perfectly well I was posting about Elk County. That is very unethical.
It is a universal statement, it said
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 23, 2012, 10:51:58 AM
I don't recall saying anything one way or another about Elk Konnected. I doubt they would accept me as a spokes person anyway...and I'm on the mid east coast. I happen to like forward thinking people who stop talking and start doing. I don't care what group they are or are not in.Tag, you're it!
You seem to be fixated on it, by forcing me to quote it. Why don't you just accept, what you wrote and let it go?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
If you don't like something, why not say nothing at all instead of insulting the time and effort people put in on those events.
The intention was not to insult anyone, but simply to ask where
Elk Konnected, LLC was with their addition of
Quality Of Life. It seems to me you missed the finer point of the remarks.
But why don't you follow your own advice? You apparently don't like this thread and the peoples opinions on this thread about our
great and mighty Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their
Elk Konnected, LLC so why should you say anything?
Why do you and
Elk Konnected, LLC have such negative attitudes towards simple and honest questions posed by concerned and interested citizens of the actual community of Elk County?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
As far as my making professional comments... who cares. I'm not the one trying to influence people to think like I do and become so " anti "any one group. I think you will be very disappointed in the changes that won't happen no matter who the commissioners are. Politics is what it is and certain things will happen just because they will. You will never be satisfied.
I care about your professional comments, especially when you make remarks as above. I have not shown on "Anti" anything, I have only asked questions or our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and
Elk Konnected, LLC . Now you tell me are they or are they not a Community Organization, or are they just the "
Old Guard" they have addressed in their open letter just in a new dress? Why do they refuse to answer simple responsible questions from the
community? Why have the
Elk Konnected, LLC Followers been threatening on this forums thread?
Are threats a necessary tool of
Elk Konnected, LLC ? ?
Wouldn't these things in fact make them the[
color=blue] "Anti" [/color] group?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Ross, everybody gets it, they know your opinions in detail. More than a year's worth! Ad Nauseam! You keep asking "why" questions that aren't ever going to be answered.
My opinions are few and of little consequence, just as your opinions are. The important thing is the many
unanswered questions directed toward the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their
Elk Konnected, LLC I think you may have missed the main reasons for the entirety of this thread.
It's about
COMMUNICATION
And you and the other Followers have been
And
Continue IMHO to interfere with the Communication
Process With Elk Konnected, LLC
And our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
Who stated they would use the internet for that purpose.
See, here is a statement that is not universal but directly related to Elk Konnected, LLC.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Yes, I like the movers and shakers in Elk County who will try to fix things that are found to need work or support and I don't care if the people are EK, some other group or just individuals who try to get something done. And I don't need to brag about what I've done lout there like you seem to think you need to do.
We know people confuse, who is who, and try to take credit for what others do. And this statement you just made makes that point. Hasn't Elk Konnected, LLC leached of the County Government enough? Even at the "Greet and Meet the Candidates" the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners pitched Elk Konnected, LLC to the point that I was almost believing Elk Konnected, LLC was running for County Commissioner.
Diane (Liz) just what has Elk Konnected, LLC actually accomplished?
That is what this thread is about, not everyone else. Please, do not confuse the groups that actually work and accomplish things with
Elk Konnected, LLC , that just is not playing nice.
The parades and the festivals of the individual communities that their citizens work hard to put on deserve the recognition as their own and should not have to share it with
Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company). Now I know you will agree with that statement.
I think we have some pretty great little communities in Elk County. And I do visit each of them.
However, I have yet to find the
Elk Konnected, LLC Community. Is it a commune hidden out in amongst the farms somewhere?
Just kidding.So please tell us exactly what
Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished and be specific so it really looks good. I am very interested.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 26, 2012, 10:14:55 PM
Every one except the chronic complainers appreciates,what people do when they give of themselves. As for what I do, they and I know and that's enough. I would like to be done with this...or didn't you win enough points yet? ;)
If asking reasonable questions makes me a chronic complainer, I proudly accept the compliment and the title. On behalf of me, myself and I, I sincerely thank you Diane?
LOLI feel compelled to ask again, just so you don't miss it Diane:
Please tell us exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished and be specific so it really looks good. I am very interested.
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
:angel:
Ross thank you for keeping this forum interesting
Quote from Diane:
How does describing Mitt R have anything to do with the fact that you don't know what wasn't on National news HERE, just llike everything that happens in which?ita. isn't on the national news. You don't know that you don't know. Go ahead toss Ann Cold heart out there. She describes Mitt and a bunch of Conservatives very well. Some of you must have reading comprehension levels that can use some work You keep describing what Ross says now why is that?
I even got swatted by Jane for putting what I'd been up to on the ''What are you doing for excitement" thread and that's what it's there for! I'm a hypocrite? I didn't bring up the BPs again,you did! You are running out of things to try to make me look bad so you go back 4 years. My word!
Lord help me for jumping into this again as I think a certain person says controversial things just so she can argue---but what the hell---I could use a good "tail twisting' once in awhile.
Seeing as how it was me who brought up the Black Panthers, Diane, I presume you are addressing me. Why do you not think I know what went on with the BP's trying to intimidate voters? I have almost a dozen people in Bloomsburg, Pa---one in Shamokin , Pa---one in Landisburg, Pa---one in Vanderbilt, Pa and two who reside in suburbia Philly, who I keep in contact with on a very regular basis . When the BP thing went down we conversed about it and I received several videos that if I remember right were from their local TV stations. For the life of me I can not understand what the BP thugs did 4 years ago can make you look bad---unless ???
I am curious to know why you are so obsessed in defending a radical, racist bunch of thugs like the Black Panthers ? Can I be so bold as to ask if it has ties to your days back at UD in the 60's? I'll close with asking, what did I say about Mitt R or who the heck is Ann Cold ?
QuoteRoss thank you for keeping this forum interesting
and that is an understatement, as well as a first amendment. And, this is a thread within a forum....two different breeds.
I don't care for Ross' continuation of beating a dead horse (sorry Ross), however Public Squares is now coming into Wilson County, and I got on this thread to see what it was it is about. I have learned alot regarding goals and methods of achieving said goals.
This may be only county specific to issues in this thread?
I really don't know now, as it seems to be a question of confilict of interest with Ms. Hendricks, et al only.
Perhaps in another county, not so. Time and elections will tell.
My bet still holds.
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Why would you want the Public Squares to get a hold in Wilson County or anywhere else?
The only thing I have seen that E K has done is put stuff on for kids 5 to 12 years old if any body knows of any thing else love to know about it.
Quote from: oldfart on July 28, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
The only thing I have seen that E K has done is put stuff on for kids 5 to 12 years old if any body knows of any thing else love to know about it.
If you will invest the time to read this entire thread, taking care to pass over the liberal attack mongers, your question will be answered.... in spades.
Quote from: oldfart on July 28, 2012, 09:57:53 AM
The only thing I have seen that E K has done is put stuff on for kids 5 to 12 years old if any body knows of any thing else love to know about it.
I think you are referring to the Elk County Summer Day Camp that
Elk Konnected, LLC was allowed to leach onto via Konnected Kounty Kommissioners!
I believe the truth is they have failed at everything they have attempted to do?
They failed at their Wellness Center even though it appeared to be financed with
Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money.
They failed at commandeering the official County Web site with their own web page, Thanks to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's aunt.
They failed at commandeering the Official County Emergency Phone call System due to numerous complaints, right?
So really, what have they accomplished.
I wonder, if they will be successful at being re-elected to County Commissioner?
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
QuoteWhy would you want the Public Squares to get a hold in Wilson County or anywhere else?
My thoughts exactly. Flyers are already out with the mission statement, goals, a steering committee (contact person) and it has circulated in various governmental offices for the first meeting.
That's why I followed this thread....to watch the ethics and handling of specific moneys.
ready
I was under the impression they were only invading Fredonia.
But hey, what is a better way to make money?
During desperate times ask the County Government and the City Government's and the School Board Governments to pay your organization to provide false hope by suggesting a better economy, stronger family's, cleaned up neighbor hoods, and superior livestyles and any number of other possiblities. But don't communicate with the actual citizens of the communities. And then Can't or won't explain how any of it can be accomplished. In my personal opinion that is a heck of a racket!
Funny, I am watching a movie with my wife and this drill sargeant type of a father is quizzing his daughters date at the front door. The poor kid getts so rattled he runs off with out his date. Well, if our county and city and school governments are to be courted by Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned)shouldn't they answer some questions?
I think it is a humorous analogy, don't you?
I suppose we can have a little fun with this don't you?
Jar, this is now way off topic so it's going to be my last mention of BP's. They have done some very good projects for the neighborhoods in Philly and as far as killing, they tend to kill their own..
Now, Jerry Jackson is a bad one for sure, but the grounds were too weak in 2008 because of the kid camera man antagonizing the situation...or so said the court, who saw all the tapes, (There was a freedom of speech issue also) not just what was released to the public. He was the legitimate poll watcher, believe it or not.
I am all for what's fair. If you have such good contacts in Philly, you know that nobody was touched and the one guy had the right to be there, manners or not. He was very well known in the neighborhood. Not my idea of a good poll watcher either, but some how he was selected.
Now, if you showed up as a registered poll watcher, wearing your kilt at the voting place in your own neighborhood and had your sgian-dubh in your hose, your claymore at your side, and your bagpipe, would you expect anyone to bother you? If you behaved, and didn't act menacing until some kid stuck a camera in your face...Well, you get the picture.
Again why don't you know what happened in 2010? Didn't your Philly contacts tell you? It had nothing to do with me one way or another, but since you seemed to follow the Philly BP as a hobby, I thought you'd know. ;D
Jerry Jackson, Mr. Mouth ,who was the one finally arrested and then released in 2008, went right back to the same polling place on election day 2010. This time he did shoot off his mouth without provocation, much too close to the doors and was apparently trying to hand out some sort of democratic literature. He did say something more or less threatening to one person, who then was questioned by a camera crew standing back away from the doors. The young man quoted what had been said to him ,something about if you don't vote this way, what will happen will happen. I'm not sure of the exact words anymore. He was not allowed to continue to be there. I don't think it got a lot of publicity because of the way the other time went political so fast and really got blown way of of proportion in terms of how minor it really was. The BP love publicity. Don't let them have it and they are much less effective in stirring up trouble. I'll say no more on this, period.
QuoteI was under the impression they were only invading Fredonia.
And you would be wrong.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 28, 2012, 04:11:01 PM
And you would be wrong.
ready
It won't be the first time. nor the last time I'm wrong.
Do you have any of the Wilson County prople visiting our little forum.
I for one would definitly welcome them.
Here is how their technic appears to work IMHO.
http://www.freedomadvocates.org/images/pdf/how%20to%20handle%20predetermined%20consensus%20meetings.pdf
Ross, Ross, Ross friend.
I read that in the first 15 pages of this thread. I am not a noob, and have argued and asked questions all throughout this.
I understand the technique. I understand the manipulation. I understand the questioning slieght of shifting of coffers.
What I don't understand is the branching out to a county so close to Elk, that (face it people, people gossip right and left) they would even try, unless it is because this thread is a personal vendetta to the very first meeting, and now has carried on for a few years, so let's go to an unbiased county?
If so, then I should expect the same treatment that you got, Ross if I go and act like you did?
I am afraid the good people will be blindsided by the "hope and change" theory, if indeed it is true.
Personally, sounds like a Pyramid scheme, on a very community technical level.
Socially, I will just watch and either shake my head or applaud.
ready
The origninal posting was not concerning the very first meeting, it may have been the third or forth or even further down the lin
I know you have been paying attention, I just slipped the link in there for any one new reading this.
As long as I feel, they are taking advantage of the taxpayers in Elk County, I as a taxpayer. feel I have a moral responsibility to ask the questions.
If my continuous asking is to be considered a vendetta, so be it.
I have appreciated your input ready.
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 28, 2012, 05:22:21 PM
Ross, Ross, Ross friend.
I read that in the first 15 pages of this thread. I am not a noob, and have argued and asked questions all throughout this.
I understand the technique. I understand the manipulation. I understand the questioning slieght of shifting of coffers.
What I don't understand is the branching out to a county so close to Elk, that (face it people, people gossip right and left) they would even try, unless it is because this thread is a personal vendetta to the very first meeting, and now has carried on for a few years, so let's go to an unbiased county?
If so, then I should expect the same treatment that you got, Ross if I go and act like you did?
I am afraid the good people will be blindsided by the "hope and change" theory, if indeed it is true.
Personally, sounds like a Pyramid scheme, on a very community technical level.
Socially, I will just watch and either shake my head or applaud.
ready
Ready I think I would be pleased to be your friend. I have appreciated your post on this thread.
I even enjoyed the posts I didn't fully understand, being the uneducated boob that I am.
I am not the least bit offended by anyone calling this thread a vendetta, because, if asking questions repetitively about repetitive actions is a vendetta, so be it. I believe our County Commissioners owe us answers, in my simple way of thinking.
This thread was not started after the first so called "Community Conversation" and my actions at this third or forth or maybe further down the line were very polite. I believe the so called Community Conversation was more of a private company meeting and not open to communication with the community. Therefore, open to have the sheriff evict anyone they did not like. I was very polite, there were others, that I heard that were not so polite. But enough of that.
I posted that link mainly for any new people. My boo-boo. I know you are very aware of what has been going on.
I truely hope, I have not offended you Ready.
Not at all Ross. I have my big girl pants on now, and almost wet myself a little when I posted earlier! ::)
I do not know of any Wilson County people viewing this thread, although the internet is a" rascually little thing of information"
No harm, no foul on your part, Ross.
ready
Ready,
I think it would be real interesting to hear if their group has any real answers on how to improve the "Quality of Life" and how to "Strengthen Families" and what role they would play in a providing a stronger education as a privately owned company!
Will they be provicing more money to the school districts from their own coffers to provide better pay for and provide ofr hiring more teachers?
Perhaps the Wilson County community might share their experience and knowledge with us!
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
I appreciate the compliment I recently received.
However, I must be honest, I had no idea what I was doing when I started this thread. But with the continuation of EK refusing to show documentation of anyone making even one of the suggestions on their list and refusing to communicate honestly and openly (IMHO) on the internet, (specifically this forum and thread) as they said they would. That followed by the continued exploitation of the county children and a county employee (IMHO), and with the no one openly claiming to be Konnected with the exception of two county commissioners and the five people listed as the steering committee claiming to be Konnected, it just started smelling fishier and fishier to me and several other people apparently. Just how does that qualify a privately owned company as a community organization?
I too, am tired of the repetition, of both my own and Elk Konnected, LLC!
I'm tired of asking the same questions over and over~
As long as questions go unanswered, as a concerned taxpaying citizen of Elk County, I feel compelled to ask the questions. Thank You!
I'm tired of the repetition IMHO, of Elk Konnected, LLC exploiting our county children and our County Government via our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee.
What other claim does Elk Konnected, LLC have as sponsor of the Elk Konnected, LLC have as a sponsor of the Elk County Summer Day Camps?
What claim other then Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee, whose loyalty should lie with Elk County after all it's not Elk Konnected, LLC that voted two of them into office or pays their wages, is it?
Who's idea is it to give tax breaks to a few in Elk County via a proposed Community Revitalization Program? Is that another of Elk Konnected, LLC idea's?
Didn't Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks just tell us in last weeks newspaper that the state is cutting funding to various organizations and that those organizations are asking Elk County for more money? Someone has to pay for the free bus transportation and other services right? Yes, folks the cuts are coming home, so how can anyone justify property tax cuts called rebates for anyone? Let's see the county commissioners provide documented proof that giving property tax cuts called rebates to anyone will increase the population by as little as 10%, how about 5% or even as little as 2% ? You can not do it, right?
Won't you Please give us some answers Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and/or Elk Konnected, LLC ?
One more very important question! Because of being a privately owned company isn't it possible that Elk Konnected, LLC's close ties with our county government, couldn't you be considered more of a small political group rather then a community organization?
Folks, I only suggest that you bear in mind the answers we receive or do not receive when you step in to the both to mark your voting ballot.
We know they are following every word on this thread and they have had every opportunity and have ample time to respond.
Are they all about Elk Konnected or are they all about Elk County?
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
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I agree, let's get out the vote to keep Ken and Liz in office. Don't let Ross and his personal dislikes sway your vote.
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 30, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
I agree, let's get out the vote to keep Ken and Liz in office. Don't let Ross and his personal dislikes sway your vote.
Oh, I completely agree with you Oldtimer!
No one should make a voting decision on what I or anyone else likes or dislikes.
But since you are talking about my dislikes would you be good enough to tell us what they are?
Here, I'll give you a starter, okay?
I don't like the possibility of giving property tax breaks called rebates to a few people while there is the possibility that my and my neighbors and your neighbors property taxes may be increased.
Now would you please complete the dislike list?
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 30, 2012, 05:12:29 PM
I agree, let's get out the vote to keep Ken and Liz in office. Don't let Ross and his personal dislikes sway your vote.
Oldtimer, that sounds like a vote for Elk Konnected, LLC is it?
Why not a refreshing change instead?
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
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Or perhaps folks could look at actual budget numbers, verifiable results and the fact they've been handed the highest mill levies in the state of Kansas in recent years and then decide what's really in their best interests. Unless, of course you have some relevant facts to add to your admonition... other than your blind support for a Democrat and a Democrat turned Republican. Real issues matter.
If this election were really all about Ross' personal likes or dislikes, you might be on to something... but I don't believe this election has anything to do with Ross.
Speaking of facts... try these on for size as you vote for those to whom you will be giving the power to tax.
Click the picture to enlarge... but sit down first.
no he's just the one with enough back bone to put his self up to ridicule to bring things to peoples attetion
Quote from: upoladeb on July 30, 2012, 06:08:05 PM
no he's just the one with enough back bone to put his self up to ridicule to bring things to peoples attetion
upoladeb you're right. That kind of courage is hard to find these days. The real shame is how many people are unwilling to take an objective look at the info being presented.
I agree with most of you. Read on, please..
Unfortunately Elk County is a small county with small communities.
Everyone knows everyone, their families from the 1800's as well as thier own past.
No one wants to make enemies when they may have to depend on one of the resources.
Ross just happened to stand up to a well known name, and called them out based on actions.
I agree that takes gutz.
I took on the opposite of Ross to get the facts. They are out there, albeit sketchy.
Good luck with your election, and irrespective of political labels....vote your conscience, and gut...not your emotions.
ready
Really folks I appreciate the extra kind words.
But the truth is, I'm just an old fool, that believes in the truth and have no patience for the twisting of words.
For instance calling a kick back or a reduction of property tax by calling it a rebate is just twisted.
Reducing property tax for the 1% while the possibility of raising property taxes for the 99% is just wrong, IMHO! And for three years to boot! Maybe longer before it all done and signed. Pardon me OWS! LOL
And really, who is behind this proposed program called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program"?
And I do believe, the State of Kansas reccommends not using the program for rural use? So why?
Do the people that can afford to build expensive homes or barns really need a tax break?'
Isn't that just a form of Welfare for a few people with money, that dont want to pay their fair share of property taxes for the opportunity of living in Beautiful Elk County?
I believe FDR explained it real well in 1935 when he said:
In his 1935 State of the Union message, Franklin D. Roosevelt said,"The lessons of history show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."And isn't that all, that the proposed program called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" is? Just relief for a few!
If you are happy with the present trending of our Elk County Government in what I consider, pulling the wool over our eyes with double talk and the lack of transparency in our government leave well enough alone.
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
Ross i think your thinking way too short term on the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" this is a good deal for anyone that participates and the county. The county is not out anything. They are just not collecting a full share for the first 5 years of a NEW taxable property. If the a house is not built or remodeled they get nothing. If someone builds a new house then whatever tax the county collects is more than they were getting before the house was built. A brand new home is going to be there alot longer than the 5 yrs of the plan. I live in a house that was built in 1900.
If a house in Ek county is valued @ $50K and a $20K remodel is done on the property, the property is now valued higher forever. Not just the 5years of the plan. Every year after the 5 yr rebate is a 100% addition to the county tax rolls.
If this program entices one family to build a new house then it benefits the county. If someone decides to remodel a deteriorating home, one that is decreasing in value every year and saves one home from becoming a vacant, unsightly, unsellable property then it benefits the county.
If this adds homes to the county,saves homes in the county, cost the county nothing. It's a no brainer.
Also i know the county as proposed the cities to participate in the program too. Howard and Longton are on board. Moline and Grenola are not. Why would a town not be in favor of this. If by a small chance someone is looking to move to our county. And wants to build or remodel a house to live in. Where do you thing they will buy? Not Moline or Grenola.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Also i know the county as proposed the cities to participate in the program too. Howard and Longton are on board. Moline and Grenola are not.
Really? The last word I got was that the Mayor of Howard told the county presenter (Commissioner Hendricks I believe), immediately after a verbal presentation & before reading the plan, to 'count us in' but that no vote has yet been taken in the council nor public hearing held by the city. I was also told that after voting for inclusion in the program based on a good sales pitch, the Longton council actually read the program and several members were less than impressed. Did I miss something?
God forbid we sell this to the voters/taxpayers before pressing ahead. Is that how things work? Pass the plan so we can see what's in it? How Nancy Pelosi is that? Notice I'm speaking to the
backroom process here, not the program. What is it about transparency that so offends our 'leaders'?
After reviewing similar plans from other Kansas communities, it looks like we're taking an 'everybody else is doin it' approach. And we just did the same thing with the Rural Opportunity Zone (ROZ) program and may do the same with the E-Communities plan. Oh... you didn't hear about those either? In my book, good government fully
shares its' vision and plan with the people before it jumps on every big plan that shows up in their email box.
As to the plan itself.... can somebody share what are we really 'revitalizing'? Or are we just creating a special interest tax break for the very few residents here who can actually afford to spend 20 grand or more and least need the break? Given the census data showing an average annual income somewhere south of 40K in Elk County, I wonder. Given the tightened lending criteria at banks these days, I wonder more. Even so, I'll be watching with great anticipation to see the hundreds of properties in need of upgrade/repair actually being revitalized.
Nothing has passed yet. They have to have a public hearing. I don't think Howard or Longton is officially in or out as the plan has yet to pass through the county. What i heard about the cities was hear say nothing official.
There is plenty to revitalize in our county. This is a opportunity for someone who might feel they can't afford to do it to actually do it.
20k is not a unreasonable amount. You can hardly buy a car for 20K these days.
And it really doesn't matter how many people do it. It will put new or higher value properties on the county tax rolls. That is good for the county. It will add to the county tax base. With no cost to the county.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Ross i think your thinking way too short term on the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" this is a good deal for anyone that participates and the county. The county is not out anything.
I think you are thinking to long term, unless you have a crystal ball. This program is not limited to houses. I believe, it could be used to build a pig farm building for raising pigs and for building barns or even a fancy hen house. None of which, would bring anyone to Elk County. But, would allow them not to pay their fair share of property taxes via kickbacks or the twisted way of calling it a tax rebate and therefore accepting Elk County Welfare.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
They are just not collecting a full share for the first 5 years of a NEW taxable property. If the a house is not built or remodeled they get nothing.
Why would anyone sign up for the program and start building and not finish. How foolish do you think these people are, how foolish do you think the people are that read this forum?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
If someone builds a new house then whatever tax the county collects is more than they were getting before the house was built. A brand new home is going to be there a lot longer than the 5 yrs of the plan. I live in a house that was built in 1900.
Now a few pages back on fo the Followers tried to convience us that it would not be that much money, so why do it? What are the costs of implementing the program? What has the program already cost the county in man hours? Is it free? I don't think so!
We will most likely be talking about much more expensive homes, with much larger taxes, meaning much larger rebates. And they will probably be demanding much more in the form of road services and who know ws what else? So, let them pay their fair share, okay? How long the house stands has no bearing on the Welfare aspects of the present day program.
And without special consideration at the cost of the rest of the County Taxpayers, they should pay, their fair share. Yes, I was told at the court house there is a man wanting to build a new house either here in Elk County or another county. Supposedly, he said he would build here if he can get the tax break. What kind of a person thinks, they should get special treatment as I call it, in the form of County Welfare, in the form of what some people call kick backs, rebates? And do we need that kind of a threatening person in Elk County? Give me a tax break or I won't live and build in your county? Does Elk County really deserve that kind of person?
Is it only about trying to get one or two families to move to Elk County?
I thought it was suppose to be about population growth?
If someone really wants to accomplish something why not simply look at Montgomery County and Cowley County? What do they have? Industrial parks that provide places for business' which provide jobs, which require people to work there. Those counties did not start out with big college campus's or big hospitals those things came later. Oh, and a fancy high school campus does not qualify as a College campus. You can build the Taj Mahal of high school campus's and it won't make a bit of difference. Perhaps a blue ribbon campus might draw one or two families, who knows? Building a barn or a house is not Going to do much population growth now is it?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
If a house in Ek county is valued @ $50K and a $20K remodel is done on the property, the property is now valued higher forever. Not just the 5years of the plan. Every year after the 5 yr rebate is a 100% addition to the county tax rolls.
Let's, let them pay their fair share from the git-go just like I did and just like every other property tax payer does. Let's play fair. If the county can afford property tax breaks for a few, why not for all?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
If this program entices one family to build a new house then it benefits the county. If someone decides to remodel a deteriorating home, one that is decreasing in value every year and saves one home from becoming a vacant, unsightly, unsellable property then it benefits the county.
Is that what this program is based on "IF" ? I don't think so. I think it is based on what a few locals want for themselves! Perhaps being an Elk Konnected, LLC Follower you can tell us if the Elk Konnected Kommissioners came up with this grand idea through their Konnected Kounty Economic Employee?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
If this adds homes to the county,saves homes in the county, cost the county nothing. It's a no brainer.
If it only add hay barns and pig barns and henhouses and outhouses it really is a no brainer?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Also i know the county as proposed the cities to participate in the program too.
Since when is it County Government Business to run city business?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Howard and Longton are on board.
Have all the citizens of those communities signed on?
Did the communities have a hearing on the proposal?
Where is the documentation?
Well now let's just take a deeper look at what you have brought up, Okay?
Please feel free to provide some answers, thank you!
Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC more or less home based in Howard?
Doesn't our Konnected Kounty Economic Development any Youth Development Employee live in Howard isn't she a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Howard?
Doesn't Longton have a community member on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Longton?
Not too difficult to figure out why they are on board, is it?
What Konnected Kounty Kommissioner asked those towns?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Moline and Grenola are not. Why would a town not be in favor of this.
Well I can only guess, well I can not speak for either town. Let me refer you back to page one of this thread to the suggestion by Elk Konnected, for a unified government centrally located in Elk County. What is considered centrally located in Elk County if it is not the Court House Howard?
Also, I must ask you how many un named Elk Konnected, LLC members live in these two communit
If by a small chance someone is looking to move to our county. And wants to build or remodel a house to live in. [/quote]
There is that "IF" again? What "IF" nobody choose to move here? What "IF" only barns are built?
Why would anyone chose to live here except in retirement? Do you see any really good paying jobs open around here for the masses?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Where do you thing they will buy? Not Moline or Grenola.
That is such a mind fumblingly stupid thing to say in my books. Moline and Grenola are both great little communities and I think you should apologize to them for such an attitude towards them.
Why such a negative towards a couple of Elk County Communities full of good people?
I thought the Elk Konnected, LLC Followers were only allowed think and talk positive?
I am Completely flabbergasted by such an attitude towards our communities.
But now you come back and say it is all hearsay? Is that how our County Government works on hearsay?
But, Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks did visit the Howard City Council, it said so in the newspaper last week.
Was it an official visit, if so where is the report or the documentation?
I'm still posting what I had already typed, because even if iwhat you say is is hearsay, I believe my comments. opinions and questions are still relavent.
Isn't it time for a real change of attitude in our County Government?
Quote from: Ross on July 31, 2012, 02:48:34 PM
If you are happy with the present trending of our Elk County Government in what I consider, pulling the wool over our eyes with double talk and the lack of transparency in our government leave well enough alone.
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to County Commissioner?
Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Ross i think your thinking way too short term on the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" this is a good deal for anyone that participates and the county. The county is not out anything. They are just not collecting a full share for the first 5 years of a NEW taxable property. If the a house is not built or remodeled they get nothing. If someone builds a new house then whatever tax the county collects is more than they were getting before the house was built. A brand new home is going to be there alot longer than the 5 yrs of the plan. I live in a house that was built in 1900.
If a house in Ek county is valued @ $50K and a $20K remodel is done on the property, the property is now valued higher forever. Not just the 5years of the plan. Every year after the 5 yr rebate is a 100% addition to the county tax rolls.
If this program entices one family to build a new house then it benefits the county. If someone decides to remodel a deteriorating home, one that is decreasing in value every year and saves one home from becoming a vacant, unsightly, unsellable property then it benefits the county.
If this adds homes to the county,saves homes in the county, cost the county nothing. It's a no brainer.
Also i know the county as proposed the cities to participate in the program too. Howard and Longton are on board. Moline and Grenola are not. Why would a town not be in favor of this. If by a small chance someone is looking to move to our county. And wants to build or remodel a house to live in. Where do you thing they will buy? Not Moline or Grenola.
Looks like a great program for the future tax base and for the people. Certainly an incentive for people to build and/or improve a property, and at no cost to the county, in fact it is a future higher tax benefit for the county after the 5 year period.
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 01, 2012, 04:26:36 PM
Looks like a great program for the future tax base and for the people. Certainly an incentive for people to build and/or improve a property, and at no cost to the county, in fact it is a future higher tax benefit for the county after the 5 year period.
It would be a loss of tax dollars to the county, costing the county money.
Not counting the cost already spent in man hours developing the thing.
And man hours cost the county money, don't they?
Why the smoke screen of no cost to the county?
Let's face it, it would simply be County Welfare for a few?
What are you planning to revialize? Your barn? What?
Why do you need County Welfare??
No cost, huh? Really?
Isn't a vote for Hendricks and Liebau a vote for Elk Konnected, LLC and County Welfare ?
Go For It
But Vote, Please!
Quote from Ross:
If the county can afford property tax breaks for a few, why not for all?
Ross,That says it all my friend.
Quote from: jarhead on August 01, 2012, 05:26:18 PM
Quote from Ross:
If the county can afford property tax breaks for a few, why not for all?
Ross,That says it all my friend.
Why, thank you Jarhead.
Quote from: Ross on August 01, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
I think you are thinking to long term, unless you have a crystal ball. This program is not limited to houses. I believe, it could be used to build a pig farm building for raising pigs and for building barns or even a fancy hen house. None of which, would bring anyone to Elk County. But, would allow them not to pay their fair share of property taxes via kickbacks or the twisted way of calling it a tax rebate and therefore accepting Elk County Welfare.
It doesn't matter if it is a barn, pig farm, or a outhouse. It;s a new taxable property for the county to collect on for the next 50 years.
Why would anyone sign up for the program and start building and not finish. How foolish do you think these people are, how foolish do you think the people are that read this forum?
You missed my point. You can't collect taxes on something that isn't there. If the program entices someone to build then the county is ahead.
Is it only about trying to get one or two families to move to Elk County?
I thought it was suppose to be about population growth?
is one or two families not population growth?
If someone really wants to accomplish something why not simply look at Montgomery County and Cowley County? What do they have? Industrial parks that provide places for business' which provide jobs, which require people to work there. Those counties did not start out with big college campus's or big hospitals those things came later. Oh, and a fancy high school campus does not qualify as a College campus. You can build the Taj Mahal of high school campus's and it won't make a bit of difference. Perhaps a blue ribbon campus might draw one or two families, who knows? Building a barn or a house is not Going to do much population growth now is it?
This plan can be used to build commercial properties too. And no an established farm building a new barn probably won't grow the population but it will increase their taxes and increase tax revenue for our county.
Let's, let them pay their fair share from the git-go just like I did and just like every other property tax payer does. Let's play fair. If the county can afford property tax breaks for a few, why not for all?
I'm pretty sure this program is open to everyone not just a few. If you want to build or add on anything over $20k then you would get the same benefit the others will get. If you don't you won't.
Is that what this program is based on "IF" ? I don't think so. I think it is based on what a few locals want for themselves! Perhaps being an Elk Konnected, LLC Follower you can tell us if the Elk Konnected Kommissioners came up with this grand idea through their Konnected Kounty Economic Employee?
If it only add hay barns and pig barns and henhouses and outhouses it really is a no brainer?
Yes more buildings for our county to collect taxes on in the future.
Since when is it County Government Business to run city business?
Well now let's just take a deeper look at what you have brought up, Okay?
Please feel free to provide some answers, thank you!
Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC more or less home based in Howard?
Doesn't our Konnected Kounty Economic Development any Youth Development Employee live in Howard isn't she a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Howard?
Doesn't Longton have a community member on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Longton?
Not too difficult to figure out why they are on board, is it?
What Konnected Kounty Kommissioner asked those towns?
I didn't realize Howard and Longton are now buddies and teamed up to pick on the rest of the county.
Well I can only guess, well I can not speak for either town. Let me refer you back to page one of this thread to the suggestion by Elk Konnected, for a unified government centrally located in Elk County. What is considered centrally located in Elk County if it is not the Court House Howard?
Also, I must ask you how many un named Elk Konnected, LLC members live in these two communit
If by a small chance someone is looking to move to our county. And wants to build or remodel a house to live in.
There is that "IF" again? What "IF" nobody choose to move here? What "IF" only barns are built?
Why would anyone chose to live here except in retirement? Do you see any really good paying jobs open around here for the masses?
retired people build barns and houses too.
That is such a mind fumblingly stupid thing to say in my books. Moline and Grenola are both great little communities and I think you should apologize to them for such an attitude towards them.
Why such a negative towards a couple of Elk County Communities full of good people?
I thought the Elk Konnected, LLC Followers were only allowed think and talk positive?
I am Completely flabbergasted by such an attitude towards our communities.
No attitude, no negativity. If someone is looking to move to elk county and build or remodel a house to live in the cities participating in the program would be more enticing. It might not be the deciding factor in where they decide to live but then again it might.
The overall benefit to the county outweighs any man hours cost. 100% of something new is 100% more than they had. The county would still be collecting 57% new tax money during the 5 years of the program. It is a rebate, the citizen pays it in, the county returns a portion of it for the first 5 years. There is no loss or no cost to the county. And drop the man hours thing because it is minimal when you think about the life of a building and how long the county will collect on it.
I truly like the program...it's a win, win situation. However I can see this can be misconstrued to be a "welfare" program for the elite:
Not everyone has $20,000 to build or remodel. So if by that token if I, who only qualify from none to $10,000 then I am not part of this fine 'rebate' program.
and Ross, Revitalization has been going on in other counties long before Elk Konnected found out where it's 'teat' was!
ready
However, to back date a program to grandfather, is queasy at best.
ready
My present comments in this post are in blue to provide clarity. Thank you, Ross.Quote from: patriotdad
link=topic=11780.msg193685#msg193685 date=1343869661
Quote from: Ross on August 01, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
I think you are thinking to long term, unless you have a crystal ball. This program is not limited to houses. I believe, it could be used to build a pig farm building for raising pigs and for building barns or even a fancy hen house. None of which, would bring anyone to Elk County. But, would allow them not to pay their fair share of property taxes via kickbacks or the twisted way of calling it a tax rebate and therefore accepting Elk County Welfare.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
It doesn't matter if it is a barn, pig farm, or a outhouse. It;s a new taxable property for the county to collect on for the next 50 years.
So again it is not about population growth, just County Welfare for a few, that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes, right?
Why would anyone sign up for the program and start building and not finish. How foolish do you think these people are, how foolish do you think the people are that read this forum?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
You missed my point. You can't collect taxes on something that isn't there. If the program entices someone to build then the county is ahead.
But still just County Welfare for a few, that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes, right?
Is it only about trying to get one or two families to move to Elk County?
I thought it was suppose to be about population growth?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
is one or two families not population growth?
Not really, I've seen that many come and go on several occassions.
If someone really wants to accomplish something why not simply look at Montgomery County and Cowley County? What do they have? Industrial parks that provide places for business' which provide jobs, which require people to work there. Those counties did not start out with big college campus's or big hospitals those things came later. Oh, and a fancy high school campus does not qualify as a College campus. You can build the Taj Mahal of high school campus's and it won't make a bit of difference. Perhaps a blue ribbon campus might draw one or two families, who knows? Building a barn or a house is not Going to do much population growth now is it?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
This plan can be used to build commercial properties too. And no an established farm building a new barn probably won't grow the population but it will increase their taxes and increase tax revenue for our county.
Let's, let them pay their fair share from the git-go just like I did and just like every other property tax payer does. Let's play fair. If the county can afford property tax breaks for a few, why not for all?
I'm pretty sure this program is open to everyone not just a few. If you want to build or add on anything over $20k then you would get the same benefit the others will get. If you don't you won't.
But still just County Welfare for a few, that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes, right?
Can I have mine now for building in 2005? They are making it retroactive to Jan 1, 2012, why not back to when I built here?
Is that what this program is based on "IF" ? I don't think so. I think it is based on what a few locals want for themselves! Perhaps being an Elk Konnected, LLC Follower you can tell us if the Elk Konnected Kommissioners came up with this grand idea through their Konnected Kounty Economic Employee?
If it only add hay barns and pig barns and henhouses and outhouses it really is a no brainer?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
Yes more buildings for our county to collect taxes on in the future.
But still just County Welfare for a few, that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes, right?
Since when is it County Government Business to run city business?
Well now let's just take a deeper look at what you have brought up, Okay?
Please feel free to provide some answers, thank you!
Isn't Elk Konnected, LLC more or less home based in Howard?
Doesn't our Konnected Kounty Economic Development any Youth Development Employee live in Howard isn't she a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Howard?
Doesn't Longton have a community member on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
How many undisclosed Elk Konnected, LLC members live in Longton?
Not too difficult to figure out why they are on board, is it?
What Konnected Kounty Kommissioner asked those towns?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
I didn't realize Howard and Longton are now buddies and teamed up to pick on the rest of the county.
You were the one who pointed out who was on board and who wasn't. I didn't say anything about Howard and Longton being buddies, not a word. Read above where you quoted me, was't it about the Elk Konnected, LLC Konnections?
Well I can only guess, well I can not speak for either town. Let me refer you back to page one of this thread to the suggestion by Elk Konnected, for a unified government centrally located in Elk County. What is considered centrally located in Elk County if it is not the Court House Howard?
Also, I must ask you how many un named Elk Konnected, LLC members live in these two communit
If by a small chance someone is looking to move to our county. And wants to build or remodel a house to live in.
There is that "IF" again? What "IF" nobody choose to move here? What "IF" only barns are built?
Why would anyone chose to live here except in retirement? Do you see any really good paying jobs open around here for the masses?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:07:41 PM
retired people build barns and houses too.
But would County Welfare for a few, that don't want to pay their fair share of taxes, be a real reason to move here ? I don't think so!
That is such a mind fumblingly stupid thing to say in my books. Moline and Grenola are both great little communities and I think you should apologize to them for such an attitude towards them.
Why such a negative towards a couple of Elk County Communities full of good people?
I thought the Elk Konnected, LLC Followers were only allowed think and talk positive?
I am Completely flabbergasted by such an attitude towards our communities.
Quote from: patriotdad link=topic=11780.msg1936
85#msg193685 date=1343869661
No attitude, no negativity. If someone is looking to move to elk county and build or remodel a house to live in the cities participating in the program would be more enticing. It might not be the deciding factor in where they decide to live but then again it might.
Rather wishy-washy about the program aren't we? Lot of "IF's and 'Maybe's" too!
However I'm pretty certain it could be called Welfare for a few that already live here in the county!
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 12:43:06 PM
Moline and Grenola are not. Why would a town not be in favor of this.
Where do you thing they will buy? Not Moline or Grenola.
Sure, you went back and deleted the words from your original post, but you still said it.
And you can't delete my quote of it can you?
And it is quoted in my post of
Quote from: Ross on August 01, 2012, 03:46:35 PM
Still posted in bad taste IMHO.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 01, 2012, 07:39:22 PM
I truly like the program...it's a win, win situation. However I can see this can be misconstrued to be a "welfare" program for the elite:
Not everyone has $20,000 to build or remodel. So if by that token if I, who only qualify from none to $10,000 then I am not part of this fine 'rebate' program.
and Ross, Revitalization has been going on in other counties long before Elk Konnected found out where it's 'teat' was!
ready
Hi Ready,
I understand totally what you are saying.
And I don't believe Elk Konnected, LLC has came up with a single new working idea of their very own.
That was not the point.
However Ready, the program is being billed as a population growth program.
And I am, aware the program has been used in other counties but there is no proof of a population growth, there hasn't even been a feasibility study performed.
And I believe that someone pointed out that the State has said the program should not be used in rural area's.
But really, I have watched the drug store in Howard remodel and expand and without asking for County Welfare in the form of a property tax rebate.
And I have watched the feed store in Moline put in a whole new building and raising the old one without asking for County Welfare in the form of a property tax rebate.
And at this very present time the Insurance Office in Moline is remodeling the front of their store, again without asking for County Welfare in the form of a tax rebate.
What do they all have in common?
Retail business, right?
They make a profit off of their customers and I assume they are using some of that profit to do all that remodeling and building.
Some of that profit pays their property taxes, too.
But Why do all that work?
Possibly to attract more business and to keep their customers happy?
But what I feel is more important, personal pride, in their business.
And each and everyone of them has done an excellent job.
Good night alll, I'm off to bed.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:13:41 PM
The overall benefit to the county outweighs any man hours cost. 100% of something new is 100% more than they had. The county would still be collecting 57% new tax money during the 5 years of the program. It is a rebate, the citizen pays it in, the county returns a portion of it for the first 5 years. There is no loss or no cost to the county. And drop the man hours thing because it is minimal when you think about the life of a building and how long the county will collect on it.
I suppose you would like to pay for all those man hours, since they don't cost anything?
It has already cost money and it is not bringing in a dime, sorry buddy.
And it would still be in my books County Welfare for those few, that do not want to pay their fair share of property taxes.
Plain and simple.
You do know Welfare is for those, that do not want to work and pay their own way,
Right?[/color]
Quote from: patriotdad on August 01, 2012, 07:13:41 PM
The overall benefit to the county outweighs any man hours cost. 100% of something new is 100% more than they had. The county would still be collecting 57% new tax money during the 5 years of the program. It is a rebate, the citizen pays it in, the county returns a portion of it for the first 5 years. There is no loss or no cost to the county. And drop the man hours thing because it is minimal when you think about the life of a building and how long the county will collect on it.
Looks like a win-win program to me. We have been thinking about building a home there, this will certainly give us an incentive.
I don't get it - why would building a bigger local government give you an incentive to build a new home in Elk County?
Have we lost sight of what the founding fathers intended? Sure looks like it. The Republican party has trained and
indoctinated socilaistic values quite successfully down thru the years while calling itself "conservative" at the same time.
Obama and the Republicans want to expand the tax base - nothing new there. They just very much disagree on how to accomplisjh it. A great sociialist argument for a great socialist movement - Obama and the Republicans.
Frawin, what are you waiting on. make your decision and start building that dream home in Elk County so you can save all that
money and make Elk County the great place you all imagine by and thru government.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 02, 2012, 06:14:37 AM
I don't get it - why would building a bigger local government give you an incentive to build a new home in Elk County?
Have we lost sight of what the founding fathers intended? Sure looks like it. The Republican party has trained and
indoctinated socilaistic values quite successfully down thru the years while calling itself "conservative" at the same time.
Obama and the Republicans want to expand the tax base - nothing new there. They just very much disagree on how to accomplisjh it. A great sociialist argument for a great socialist movement - Obama and the Republicans.
Frawin, what are you waiting on. make your decision and start building that dream home in Elk County so you can save all that
money and make Elk County the great place you all imagine by and thru government.
Redcliff I was born and raised in Elk County, 14 of my brothers and sisters were raised there, 2 of my brothers and 2 nephews still live there as do some good friends. You have never lived there and know nothing about it. You have gone from being a levelheaded poster on the Forum to one of the 4 most full of crap posters on the Forum. Why don't you spend your time trying to clean up the mess you live in.
Frawin, so you think Elk County needs its own stimulus package(s)? Reminds me of Obama and
Bush - what a pair. I'm not following the likes of Obama and his ilk and so why would I agree with
a similar pattern of politics in Elk County?
Speaking of being level headed, since when did socialism become normal or did we always assume it was OK?
Ross, said it best - why not lower taxes for everybody? Level the playing the field instead of expanding and promoting
a government to provide for special interests of the few who want government assistance.
Early on, Frawin you labeled yourself as a conservsative along with me and some others. I'm not changing.
Quote from: frawin on August 02, 2012, 05:39:22 AM
Looks like a win-win program to me. We have been thinking about building a home there, this will certainly give us an incentive.
Another Elk Konnected, LLC Follower blowing smoke, right?
Who really has no intentions of moving to Elk County or he would have, don't you suppose?
But hey if you are serious, I have Ocean Front Property in Elk County for sale, Cheap.
$10 an acre.
How many acres do you want buy today?
Oh, I'm so sorry, the sale ended 10 minutes ago!
So anyway, I guess if this program fails, you won't be moving to Elk County, huh?
How fortunate for Elk County!
You probably moved away from Elk County for some of the same reasons others have?
But why don't you --- tell us why you moved away?
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 07:51:33 AM
Another Elk Konnected, LLC Follower blowing smoke, right?
Who really has no intentions of moving to Elk County or he would have, don't you suppose?
But hey if you are serious, I have Ocean Front Property in Elk County for sale, Cheap.
$10 an acre.
How many acres do you want buy today?
Oh, I'm so sorry, the sale ended 10 minutes ago!
So anyway, I guess if this program fails, you won't be moving to Elk County, huh?
How fortunate for Elk County!
You probably moved away from Elk County for some of the same reasons others have?
But why don't you --- tell us why you moved away?
Ross, I own more property and pay more taxes in Elk County than you do. I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect. It is none of your business why I left Elk County.
Quote from: frawin on August 02, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
Ross, I own more property and pay more taxes in Elk County than you do. I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect. It is none of your business why I left Elk County.
So do you totally deny Elk Konnected, LLC, no Konnections what so ever? I think this is a very important question and deserves an honest response, don't you?
But first before you answer consider the following:
Quote from: frawin on August 19, 2011, 08:32:18 AM
If I move back the first thing I would do is join Elk Connect and donate time and Money to help with all of the good things they do for the people all over the county.
I think that qualify's you as a Follower and also because you Follow and support them on this thread.
So tell me again, you have nothing to do with Elk Konnected, LLC as a Follower or Supporter, please?
However, I admit you are entitled to your opinions, just as I and everyone else on this Forum, on this thread.
Need I post more quotes of you?
So is owning more property and paying more taxes then I do, give you a some special right, to deserve, not to continue paying your fair share of property taxes on new additions to that property? You know, the property tax rebates which I call County Welfare? But today you are paying your fair share, just as I am, and nothing more, right? Or does fair share mean nothing to you? I have one up on you, I am a resident of El County, that is if we are looking for one-ups man ship. And I love living here.
I bet you left Elk County to find or follow a good paying job. There just aren't to many good paying jobs with decent benefits in Elk County are there? But information such as that could benefit Elk County, don't you think? Especially since they can't seem to figure that out.
But you know as I pointedly asked, is this plan an Elk Konnected, LLC idea via Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected Kounty Employees? And no one seems to admit it or especially deny it, why?
I have even pointedly asked if Elk Konnected, LLC might be the "Old Guard" they have referred to, only in a new dress. And again, no one seems to admit it or especially deny it, why?
I don't think this whole Elk Konnected, LLC topic is about conservatism or socialism, but, more about control, control of Elk County and Elk County Government and Elk County Residents. Just My Humble Opinion. Just like the big idea Elk konnected, LLC turned over to the County Commissioners included a "A Centrally located unified Government and doing away with the various City Councils", Might we consider that idea?
If you don't think it is even a remote possibility, vote for
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau and keep the same status quo.
But, we do have alternatives, don't we?
Quote from: frawin on August 02, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
Ross, I own more property and pay more taxes in Elk County than you do. I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect. It is none of your business why I left Elk County.
But you know as I pointedly asked, is this plan an Elk Konnected, LLC idea via Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected Kounty Employees? And no one seems to admit it or especially deny it, why?
I have even pointedly asked if Elk Konnected, LLC might be the "Old Guard" they have referred to, only in a new dress. And again, no one seems to admit it or especially deny it, why?
I don't think this whole Elk Konnected, LLC topic is about conservatism or socialism, but, more about control, control of Elk County and Elk County Government and Elk County Residents. Just My Humble Opinion. Just like the big idea Elk konnected, LLC turned over to the County Commissioners included a "A Centrally located unified Government and doing away with the various City Councils", Might we consider that idea?
If you don't think it is even a remote possibility, vote for
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau and keep the same status quo.
But, we do have alternatives, don't we?[/center]
If you are happy with the present trending of our Elk County Government in what I consider, pulling the wool over our eyes with double talk and the lack of transparency in our government leave well enough alone.
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
Have you read this weeks newspaper?
They are at it again?
Isn't leaching off the county getting tiring?
Where is the line between Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) and the Elk County Governent?
Can anyone explain that to me?
Well anyway you decide for yourself!
Prairie Star, page 11, Notes From the Prairie, column 1, fifth paragraph.
And I quote:
Come cool off at the fair!
Huge water slide at Longton
Fair Grounds, Aug. 2-3 from
3-9 p.m. and Aug. 4from 1-9
p.m. Co-sponsored by Elk County and Elk Konnected.
End quote.
Will be possibly be seeing the T-shirts purchased by county funds for advertising Elk Konnected on the backs of our Elk County Children?
Will there be a sign there at the slide advertising Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company?
Will there be a sign there at the slide advertising funded by the Elk County Government?
Or will the privately owned company take all the credit for the slide?
It will be interesting to see, won't it?
But, we do have alternatives, don't we?If you are happy with the present trending of our Elk County Government in what I consider, pulling the wool over our eyes with double talk and the lack of transparency in our government leave well enough alone.
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
This is different isn't it?
I quote myself and answer my own questions, the best I can, since no one else will give any answers.
Please bear with me. LOL
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Have you read this weeks newspaper?
Sorry, I can't answer this one for you.
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
They are at it again?
I think so, still at it!
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Isn't leaching off the county getting tiring?
Well, I find it tiring!
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Where is the line between Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) and the Elk County Governent?
I can't find it. Can you?
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Can anyone explain that to me?
Why does it continue? Perhaps some voting will do the trick!
Votes for change in our county Government, hopefully!
Tuesday is just around the corner. Please vote!
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Well anyway you decide for yourself!
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Prairie Star, page 11, Notes From the Prairie, column 1, fifth paragraph.
And I quote:
Come cool off at the fair!
Huge water slide at Longton
Fair Grounds, Aug. 2-3 from
3-9 p.m. and Aug. 4from 1-9
p.m. Co-sponsored by Elk County and Elk Konnected.
End quote.
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Will be possibly be seeing the T-shirts purchased by county funds for advertising Elk Konnected on the backs of our Elk County Children?
Well. I was there for the Barbeque, which was very good. And I saw a lot of people I know, and did some chit-chatting. I also had my niece from Wichita and my great niece from Texas with me, who enjoyed the meal and the friendly country atmosphere. I saw no signs of Elk Konnected, LLC anywhere. No support, no volunteering to help the community. I did see the giant water slide. I didn't happen to see any signs saying who was responsible for it. Isn't that a bit unusual? But, heck I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. Did any one else see any signs.
I did leave a hefty donation in the donor jar. So guess what? After hearing Kounty Kommissioner Liebau state at the "Meet and Greet the Candidate", that's the way he volunteers, by donating. So I guess, I volunteered last evening. Yea for me.
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Will there be a sign there at the slide advertising Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company?
I saw no signs. Did you?
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Will there be a sign there at the slide advertising funded by the Elk County Government?
Again, no sign giving credit to our Elk County Government and the taxpayers. Oh, well.
Quote from: Ross on August 02, 2012, 06:14:51 PM
Or will the privately owned company take all the credit for the slide?
It will be interesting to see, won't it?
Nope, not that I saw.
You know for a community organizer that claims to want to the communities together I find it strange that Elk Konnected, LLC doesn't participate in any of the real and actual communities festivals or parades. Where is the community spirit and support from Elk Konnected, LLC? Or is their interest only on city and county governments?
What is really going on?
Let's play with some words for fun. I read these on the internet today.
Director of life enrichment ---- responsible for planning, organising and implementing a programme of therapeutic activities and events for senior adults ranging in age from 73-101
Director of first impressions --- receptionist
Environmental maintenance officer ---- garbage man
Anti-social Behaviour co-ordinator --- sound a bit like someone who actually organizes anti-social Behaviour
Director of operational excellence
Underwater ceramic technician ---- dish washer
Reprographics ---- photocopier
Drain surgeon ---- deals with stopped-up toilets and does sewer line cleanings
Media publications administrator ---- paper-boy
Sandwich technician ---- I didn't realize making sandwiches was so technical
Transparent-wall maintenance engineer --- window cleaner
Refreshments and nutrition supervisor ---- worked in the office canteen
Textile masseur ---- mops floors
Meat distribution engineer --- butcher's boy
Eviction technicians --- nightclub bouncers
Washroom operatives --- bathroom cleaners
Revenue protection officers ---- ticket collectors
Chicken engineer --- chicken farmer
My addition to this is
Property Tax Rebate --- County Welfare.
Property Tax Rebate --- Property Tax Kick back.
Property Tax Rebate --- Not paying ones fair share.
Rather entertaining the way words can be manipulated isn't it?
Will the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be re-elected, so the appearance of our county government being ran by a privately owned company continues ? ?
It's a real drama, isn't?
You have a real say in this drama.
If you get out there and vote.
Pass the word and enjoy the drama with your friends.
We do have alternatives, don't we?If you are happy with the present trending of our Elk County Government in what I consider, pulling the wool over our eyes with double talk and the lack of transparency in our government leave well enough alone.
I wonder, will Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be successful at being re-elected to
County Commissioner?Is the existing trajectory of Elk County spending, taxation and administrative practices sustainable?
Perhaps the basic problem is not cyclical, perhaps it is structural?
Perhaps the time to act is now.
Don't you think?
If everything is cool with you change nothing. It is actually that easy!
Remember, my opinions are my own, please stick to your own opinions, and your own principles.
Let's get out the vote.
I hope everyone has had a great evening.
does anyoneknow if there is a buiding and zoning,and if that is who will issue the permits or if we'll have to hire another county worker.Maybe thats a good reason to take our time,get more info,and for the people that will only move here if they get a rebate....fine don't
Quotedoes anyoneknow if there is a buiding and zoning,and if that is who will issue the permits or if we'll have to hire another county worker.Maybe thats a good reason to take our time,get more info,and for the people that will only move here if they get a rebate....fine don't
Deb:
If there is a zoning in your area, then there should be a person in charge of that. For us it is the County Coorindater..for you it may be a 3-hat person.
I would start with your city council hall in the town of which you wish to build.
No one should be hired at this time for a zoning issue. If that is the case, then wow, just wow!
Rebate? Ross has a different take on that term. He has made his point clearly over and over.
It is of ny opinion and experience, that people jump on the bandwagon for a break, (the welfare users) do what is needed for the duration, get their kicks and jollies, then move away. That is why it called a 'break'.
Now, most SERIOUS people will utilize (NOT USE) the situation to 'take a break" from the financial business/building end, untill the next quarter of profits, or in the homeowne's instance...when the savings gets built up.
That's how I see it.
The county had no revenue from that piece of land, so no loss.
The county gets a few years of still getting nothing....(if not an incentive, then they get a big pacyheck, and the owner can't pay the next year's tax bill.) that is a loss.
In due time, the county gets its revenue, proviiding the owner is serious.
My take, and no squirrels were hurt in this message
ready
Quote from: frawin on August 02, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
Ross, I own more property and pay more taxes in Elk County than you do...
And that qualifies you for what, exactly?
Quote from: upoladeb on August 05, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
does anyoneknow if there is a buiding and zoning...
Elk County is an unzoned entity. Can't speak for the incorporated towns. If this passes, however, I would look for some move to zone the county (and require building permits, etc.) in the near future if the incumbents are re-elected.
Quote from: frawin on August 02, 2012, 07:59:19 AM
Ross, I own more property and pay more taxes in Elk County than you do. I have nothing to do with Elk Konnect. It is none of your business why I left Elk County.
Quote from: Patriot on August 05, 2012, 06:26:34 PM
And that qualifies you for what, exactly?
County Welfare, that's what!
And I suppose these days it's a pride thing to ask for welfare.
Well personally, I don't have that kind of pride!
I have always paid my fair share and I have never cheated on my taxes, either!
Can't disagree with that.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 05, 2012, 02:40:18 PM
The county had no revenue from that piece of land, so no loss.
The county gets a few years of still getting nothing....(if not an incentive, then they get a big pacyheck, and the owner can't pay the next year's tax bill.) that is a loss.
In due time, the county gets its revenue, proviiding the owner is serious.
My take, and no squirrels were hurt in this message
ready
And why are we so concerned about the County/government getting "its revenue"?
Think liberty.
There are at least a half a dozen homes in and around Moline that are vacant and for sale.
How many homes are vacant in the other communities?
To me this is a strong indicator of the real problem, and it does not indicate a need for taxbreaks or welfare for those people that already live here.
Fact is if you don't have jobs, you don't have population growth.
County Welfare to a few at the cost to others does not provide jobs.
But hey, those that come up with these weird ideas, don't want outsiders, do they?
Well, with out outsiders, and wiith out jobs you will never have growth.
Welfare has never improved anything.
Outsiders = People not born and raised within the confines of Elk County.
Do you think Independence and Winfield would have any kind of population. if they only had people that were born and raised there?
Do you think Independence and Winfield would have any population without having decent paying jobs?
Does Neighborhood Revitalization provide any of those things mentioned? I don't think so! Just Welfare for a few!
If it passes we will see who the biggest mooches are, won't we? It will be public information!
Again I'll say, it only provides County Welfare for a few that already live here and don't need it?
I don't ask anyone to agree with me!
I don't even suggest people believe anything I say.
I suggest each and every person think for themselves.
And it would not hurt my feelings one little bit, if you straight out called me a liar!
But it is simply a fact the are either incapable of answering any questions put forth in this thread or refuse too based on some weird reason. Why?
Why are all the
Elk Konnected, LLC followers, what few there are, so evasive?
Why can't the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners explain what
Elk Konnected, LLC has done, beside
leach on to every Elk County Government program that they can leach on?
Why can't they explain how
Elk Konnected, LLC will provide a Superior
Quality of Life, they talk about on their web page?
How is it
Elk Konnected, LLC plans to Strengthen Family Life in Elk County, they talk about on their web page ?
What business does
Elk Konnected, LLC have in messing in various family lives ?
What has
Elk Konnected, LLC done besides ask
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner for
"Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, which I feel they used to advertise their company by giving out
lollipops ? Are you tired of lollipops yet?
I'd like to respectfully ask you, if you recognize the relationship between
Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau ?
I hope people vote the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office tomorrow and stop this Welfare program.
I think we need a change for the best interest of every taxpayer, not for just a few. Let's vote for good change.
Neither Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner has bothered to provide any information that disputes anything on this thread and they have had every opportunity to do so.
This is my personal and humble opinion.
Please get out and vote tomorrow, take your friends, neighbors and family. I'll be out there.
I think you will be glad you did.
LET THEM HEAR FROM YOU ----- LOUD AND CLEAR
frawin, don't you know by now that noone is supposed to disagree on this Forum with Ross and Patriot. This is their Forum and if you disagree with them they start their name calling and put all kinds of trash out there about you. They have run almost all of the good Forum members off and now the Forum is dominated by them and the trash they want to put out there about everyone.
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 06, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
frawin, don't you know by now that noone is supposed to disagree on this Forum with Ross and Patriot.
I'm so sorry you happen to feel that way.
I'd actually prefer that you
factually disagreed with me.
Then we could
communicate about it.
And perhaps, then you could answer some questions that would clear the air.
Quote from: Ross on August 06, 2012, 09:33:24 AM
I don't ask anyone to agree with me!
I don't even suggest people believe anything I say.
I suggest each and every person think for themselves.
And it would not hurt my feelings one little bit, if you straight out called me a liar!
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 06, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
This is their Forum and if you disagree with them they start their name calling and put all kinds of trash out there about you. They have run almost all of the good Forum members off and now the Forum is dominated by them and the trash they want to put out there about everyone.
This is a very open forum provided by some very nice people for everyone's use. So you must be confused.
I don't believe, I have ever called you a name, other then "Oldtimer". But just the same would you, please quote the incident, where
I have called you name, so we can all see it. Oh, unless calling you an
Elk Konnected, LLC Follower is considered a bad thing or name.
Is that a bad name ?I on the other hand have recieved, what I considered, a back handed death threat on this thread,
I was also told, everything I post on this thread was being printed for use in a possible
lawsuit against me.
So as far as I am concerned you are reading from the wrong side of the conversation.
I must ask you once again, because you have failed to give a single example of what the priv
ately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC has done for
Elk County as the community organization they claim to be. Can you please, give even one good example?
Lrt's talk about it.
I just happen to thing they are the
"Old Guard" they claim as one of the reasons they came into existance.
You know I would never have thought of that term ---
"Old Guard" --- if
Elk Konnected, LLC hadn't used it. I think the more modern term is --- "The Good Ole Boy's Club" or something like that. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Hey, wasn't it great to wake up to 63 degrees this morning?
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 06, 2012, 11:15:30 AM
frawin, don't you know by now that noone is supposed to disagree on this Forum with Ross and Patriot. This is their Forum and if you disagree with them they start their name calling and put all kinds of trash out there about you. They have run almost all of the good Forum members off and now the Forum is dominated by them and the trash they want to put out there about everyone.
Sorry you feel that way, but your statements sound like another personal attack from one who obviously hasn't read this thread from the beginning. Why is discussing & debating the real issues so difficult for some?
Quote from: Ross on August 06, 2012, 12:02:17 PM
I on the other hand have recieved, what I considered, a back handed death threat on this thread,
I was also told, everything I post on this thread was being printed for use in a possible lawsuit against me.
So as far as I am concerned you are reading from the wrong side of the conversation.
Then there was that attempt by an elected official to publicly humiliate you by calling your written views 'vile' during a county commission meeting. Since when, in America, did open disagreement with government & government actions become a bad thing?
Quote from: Ross on August 06, 2012, 12:02:17 PM
I on the other hand have recieved, what I considered, a back handed death threat on this thread,
I was also told, everything I post on this thread was being printed for use in a possible lawsuit against me.
So as far as I am concerned you are reading from the wrong side of the conversation.
Quote from: Patriot on August 06, 2012, 12:13:19 PM
Then there was that attempt by an elected official to publicly humiliate you by calling your written views 'vile' during a county commission meeting. Since when, in America, did open disagreement with government & government actions become a bad thing?
Just explain to me how that represents a positive attitude that
Elk Konnected, LLC want's everyone else to have?
Dosen't that positive attitude apply to Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau
?I really wasn't offended by his attitude but I was honestly flabbergasted by it.
.
I mean a County Commissioner attacking a taxpaying citizen, during a County Commissioners meeting is just plain flabbergasting, isn't it ? Especially, when it is not concerning county business, but the organization (privately owned company) that he plays cheerleader for. Don't you think? And to think it didn't even make it into the minutes of the meeting.
I think we need better government, don't you?Remember to vote tomorrow!
I just read this article about cities filing Bankruptcy, This is only the headline.
Zombie City Roundup: Miami, Detroit, Stockton And Oakland
They said there were far too many cities across the country to list that are filing bankruptcy and raising taxes.
I noticed it is almost the four courners of the US of A.
How many government programs like Neighborhood Revitalization do you think they had running?
Probably numerous of those types of programs !
Did that save them?
Do we need to go down the same path?
Do we need to do what other county's do?
Do we follow the leader to destruction?
Well if not then it's time to vote for positive change and stop the flow of WELFARE, don't you think?
Well, I did my civic duty this morning and I had to return to town a second time this morning and it sure looks like a steady stream of others doing thier civic duty. And that is just this morning.
I was really proud to see what looks like a good turn out of voters.
Which looks promising to me for some change. I can hope anyway.
I hope everyone registered gets the chance to get in and vote.
Aye aye Sailor, as did I. Even wrote Ron Paul's name in for something just to make a certain forum poster happy. ;D
Cool!
I drove all the way from Independence to make sure I voted. I was number 230 at the Howard voting place.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 07, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
I drove all the way from Independence to make sure I voted. I was number 230 at the Howard voting place.
Does that sound like a pretty good turnout for Howard to you Janet?
I'm hoping they post the results on the county web site.
I e-mailed the County clerk this morning and asked, but got no response.
The only thing I found of interest in todays paper is raising property taxes in Howard.
The cost of services continue to rise, so taxes must also.
Nothing in there about Elk Konnected, LLC unless I missed it.
While, our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners contemplates tax rebates (Welfare) for a few, why?
Really folks, it sounds like austerity has hit our shores. Personally, I don't think it's a joke what Romney said!
And it appears everything is going up except wages. Tax increases and inflation and cutting services. Not good!
And the Federal Reserve is talking QE-3, which will devalue the dollar in your pocket even further.
Wouldn't a County Industrial Area be a better thing then giving tax rebates (Welfare) to a few.
Afterall some of those companies in California want to escape the California financial problems. And they could bring good paying jobs to Elk County and with that population growth and economic development in the form of more money spent locally.
Here is what Romney had to say:
Romney Jokingly Compares California to Greece
Mitt Romney jokingly said the United States needs to do a better job managing debt or it could end up like Greece, or closer to home, California.
The Republican presidential hopeful told an audience in Iowa that he worries the U.S. is on a pathway to crippling debt and is scaring off foreign investors. Romney pointed to problems in Italy and Spain.
He then suggested that Californians know a thing or two about debt. The state is facing the prospect of tax increases and spending cuts to deal with its budget problems.
http://news.yahoo.com/romney-jokingly-compares-california-greece-191915156.html
Food for thought, nothing more.
Don't forget we have the real elections to vote on in November.
One More
Ouch
France's 75% Tax Could Push Rich Into Mass Exodus
Rich thinking of leaving if 75% tax rate is passed.
http://www.newser.com/story/151718/frances-75-tax-could-push-rich-into-mass-exodus.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=united
Quote from: Ross on August 07, 2012, 06:43:43 PM
Does that sound like a pretty good turnout for Howard to you Janet?
I'm hoping they post the results on the county web site.
I e-mailed the County clerk this morning and asked, but got no response.
No, I don't think it was a good turnout at all. I wish I could go to the courthouse and look at the votes listed on the chalkboard. Then I would like to know how many ballots were cast in each party in each township. That would give you a good idea of whether it was a good turn out or not. One of the ladies at the polling place told me she thought it was a good turnout for a primary. She has worked at polling place a lot of years, so she would know.
Highest Income Tax Rate in the US has been 94% while the lowest has been 28%.
Highest Income Tax Rate for married couple filing jointly:
1920 and 1921, 73% tax on everything made over $1m.
1922 and 1923, 58% tax on everything made over $200,000.
1924, 46% tax on everything made over $500,000.
1925 through 1931, 25% tax on everything made over $100,000.
1932 through 1935, 63% tax on everything made over $1m.
1936 through 1940, 79% tax on everything made over $5m.
1941, 81% tax on everything made over $5m.
1942 and 1943, 88% tax on everything made over $200,000.
1944 through 1946, 94% tax on everything made over $200,000.
1947 through 1954, 91% tax on everything made over $200,000.
1955 through 1963, 91% tax on everything made over $400,000.
1964, 77% tax on everything made over $400,000.
1965 through 1976, 70% tax on everything made over $200,000.
1977 and 1978, 70% tax on everything made over 203,200.
1979 through 1981, 70% tax on everything made over $215,400.
1982, 50% tax on everything made over $85,600.
1983, 50% tax on everything made over $109,400.
1984, 50% tax on everything made over $162,400.
1985, 50% tax on everything made over $169,020.
1986, 50% tax on everything made over $175,250.
1987, 38.5% tax on everything made over $90,000.
1988, 28% tax on everything made over $29,750.
1989, 28% tax on everything made over $30,950.
1990, 28% tax on everything made over $32,450.
1991, 31% tax on everything made over $82,150.
1992, 31% tax on everything made over $86,500.
1993 through 1994, 39.6% tax on everything made over $250,000.
1995, 39.6% tax on everything made over $256,500.
1996, 39.6% tax on everything made over $263,750.
1997, 39.6% tax on everything made over $271,050.
1998, 39.6% tax on everything made over $278,450.
1999, 39.6% tax on everything made over $283,150.
2000, 39.6% tax on everything made over $288,350.
2001, 39.1% tax on everything made over $297,350.
2002, 38.6% tax on everything made over $307,050.
2003, 35% tax on everything made over $311,950.
2004, 35% tax on everything made over $319,100.
2005, 35% tax on everything made over $326,450.
2006, 35% tax on everything made over $336,550.
2007, 35% tax on everything made over $349,700.
2008, 35% tax on everything made over $357,700.
2009, 35% tax on everything made over $372,950.
2010, 35% tax on everything made over $373,650.
2011, 35% tax on everything made over $379,150.
2012, ??
You poor folks in Howard facing the property tax increase need
Elk Konnected, LLC's help to get that Superior Quaility of Life don't you?
I mean heck with all their Visionaries can't they find away to
help you avoid property tax increases?Just take a look at your city limits boundaries?
Just check it out on Google Earth, it's that easy!
At one point didn't Howard want to extend its city limits out to encompass the West Elk School Campus so it would be the Howard West Elk School? That would have moved the City limits over a third of a mile. But, Just what would that have done for the Superior Quaility of Life of Howard City Tax Payers?
Will
Elk Konnected, LLC and their Visionaries
could help you Howard City Taxpayers by suggesting moving the City Limits a third of a mile east across highway 99 and encompass a few more homes and business.
Couldn't
Elk Konnected, LLC's Visionaries help all the taxpayers and Followers save some property tax money therefore adding to the Superior Quality of Life they display on their web site. Or don't they really want to help the average Joe? Don't they want Howard citizens to enjoy that Superior Quality of Life?
If you look closely on Google earth the Howard City Limits runs across the highway wraps around the little car wash and then darts back across the highway.
I do believe, at one point Howard wanted to extend it's city limits out to encompass the
West Elk School Campus so it would be the
Howard West Elk School Campus? That would have moved the City limits over a third of a mile. But, Just what would that have done for the Superior Quaility of Life of Howard City Tax Payers?
Well
Elk Konnected, LLC and their Visionaries could help you Howard City Taxpayers by suggesting moving the City Limits a third of a t mile east across highway 99 and encompass a few more business, couldn't
Elk Konnected, LLC help all the taxppayers and Followers save some property tax money therefore adding to the Superior Quality of Life they display on their web site. Or
don't they really want to help the average Joe?
Perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC and all their visionaries can finally do something to help the community of citizens in Howard, what do you think?
Do they have the
magic to affect a Superior Quality of Life in Howard?
Shouldn't Howard request and recieve some
real action from
Elk Konnected, LLC to prove itself as a caring community organization it claims to be and take some positive action?
What do you have to loose, except some
bigger property tax bills?Does
Elk Konnected, LLC care about the people of Howard?
Let's really find out, what do you say?
You GO Howard !
I think, every one will be watching to see if you get any
real help moving those City Limits (less then a tenth of a mile), to help with City Property Taxes.
Will those business support the City of Howard's property tax base?And Howard, if you don't get any help, remember that at the
November Elections.
Think about it! Just My Humble Opinion and thoughts!
Here are some help from Google Earth, pictures.
The yellow line represents the City Limits of Howard according to Google.
Ross, I have followed this thread off and on for quite some time. When I have extra time in my life, which is not too often, I check in for a few laughs. The conversations crack me up! Well anyway, the reason I am just now posting anything has to do with a few questions that I was hoping that you could answer for me. In your latest post it would seem that you have some anger towards the community of Howard. The tone of your post comes off to me as anti-Howard. Why is that? My next question is if you know what year it was that Howard alledgedly wanted to extend its city limits to encompass West Elk Jr./Sr. High School? And it is my understanding that the official name of the school now is West Elk Schools, am I correct? When was or has it ever been officially named Howard West Elk Campus? To my knowledge I have never known it to be named that, not even when the high school was located in the city limits of Howard back in the 1970's. Was Elk Konnected even an organization back when the suggestion was made to encompass the campus on highway 99 within the city limits? I have not heard anything about extending the city limits to encompass any of the businesses nor homes east of highway 99, so from where did you get that tid bit of news?
Is Ross ranting again?
...sounds like someone wants to put things into perspective to the here and now with facts to the forward years, not what happend 'back in the day'.
There was new election. There will be a final election. There will be a year until those newly elected constituents get to actually work. Then, my friends...we can call it a day, or overtime.
As to your question, Wima probably not.
look at the writing...no bold, no colors..
Daisy asked good questions...Some of the boundaries were drawn a long time ago, before the time of dawn/before Elk Konnected. It takes a lot of work to annex the existing area.
Ross: I like you and your questioning, albeit don't care for the display of bandwidth. IMHO
I Am sure that you have an issue against abuse of taxes and government and I agree, and EK Konnected is just a venue to display your curiosity, however not mine....so for that I will not return to delve into EK Konnected discussions unless I can find reason to rat them out.....carry on.
I know that I am sure I dont like what is going on inside the meetings of the heads of the county. And, unfortuneately it is coming from the State with mandates and budgets.
ready
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Ross, I have followed this thread off and on for quite some time. When I have extra time in my life, which is not too often, I check in for a few laughs. The conversations crack me up!
Hi Daisy,
Well I am so happy that you have a sense of humor and can get a chuckle out of something. What did you find so funny?
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Well anyway, the reason I am just now posting anything has to do with a few questions that I was hoping that you could answer for me.
I'm not really here to answer questions, but to ask them, in order to gain some knowledge of what things are all about. I do occasionally make a suggestion or voice an opinion. However, I have very few answers.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
In your latest post it would seem that you have some anger towards the community of Howard. The tone of your post comes off to me as anti-Howard. Why is that?
Quite the contrary! Perhaps you should read what I wrote again for clarity.
I have some friends in Howard and I shop in Howard. And I don't believe, I said anything at all derogatory towards Howard in my suggestion. Perhaps you should read what I wrote again for clarity.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
My next question is if you know what year it was that Howard alledgedly wanted to extend its city limits to encompass West Elk Jr./Sr. High School?
It was either earlier this year or late last year as I heard it. I also heard they even went to the school board with a proposal. I'm just not sure about the date. I don't have any particulars on the matter. Sorry!
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
And it is my understanding that the official name of the school now is West Elk Schools, am I correct?
Oh, by all means the official name of the school is West Elk School as far as I know.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
When was or has it ever been officially named Howard West Elk Campus? To my knowledge I have never known it to be named that, not even when the high school was located in the city limits of Howard back in the 1970's.
I don't recollect, anyone ever suggesting that was or has it ever been officially named Howard West Elk Campus.
However, Elk Konnected, LLC on their FaceBook page says they went to
Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High.
Check it out for yourself at https://www.facebook.com/#!/elk.konnected
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Was Elk Konnected even an organization back when the suggestion was made to encompass the campus on highway 99 within the city limits?
I'm sure you can answer this one!
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
I have not heard anything about extending the city limits to encompass any of the businesses nor homes east of highway 99, so from where did you get that tid bit of news?
Of course you haven't heard anything about extending the city limits to encompass any of the businesses nor homes east of highway 99. I just made the suggestion to the citizens of Howard to ask Elk Konnected, LLC with all their Visionaries to help with the idea, to help with the Howard City Property Tax Base. Is Elk Konnected, LLC really the Community Organizer they claim to be? Will they help the citizens and taxpayers with alleviating the forth coming property tax increase?
If you studied the pictures the only property east of 99 is the little
carwash that is included in the city limits. So why not the rest, those that are enjoying being a part of Howard by being right on the city limits line? Don't they enjoy the cities services?
It might give some relief to the Howard property tax payers, don't you think?
Now what is bad about that suggestion?
Can you answer any of the questions, I and others have asked on this thread?
Or are you in the dark too?
Thanks for the conversation and you have a great evening.
Okay Ready, is this better. I was getting tired of doing it anway. Thank you.
dammnit Ross. :P
Ross, to answer your question on what I find humorous about this thread my reply is the constant repetition and quarreling. Plain and simple.
Now the response to the question I asked you regarding the city of Howard requesting to include "West Elk Schools" within the city limits was not what I expected. I expected a factual answer, seeing how you demand facts. Instead I got a reply that seemed more hearsay that factual.
Your reply to my other question regarding including the businesses and houses east of highway 99 also surprised me. You stated that his was your idea, and whether it is a good one or not, I am not to say. But it seemed to me when I read it that you were trying to stir the pot, and get people all fired up once again.
As far as whether I have answers to things that you feel have left you in the dark, nope ...I don't. And quite frankly I am pretty certain I won't lose any sleep over it either, and I know I sure as heck won't sit on the computer for hours complaining either.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 12:00:40 PM
Ross, I have followed this thread off and on for quite some time. When I have extra time in my life, which is not too often, I check in for a few laughs. The conversations crack me up! Well anyway, the reason I am just now posting anything has to do with a few questions that I was hoping that you could answer for me. In your latest post it would seem that you have some anger towards the community of Howard. The tone of your post comes off to me as anti-Howard. Why is that? My next question is if you know what year it was that Howard alledgedly wanted to extend its city limits to encompass West Elk Jr./Sr. High School? And it is my understanding that the official name of the school now is West Elk Schools, am I correct? When was or has it ever been officially named Howard West Elk Campus? To my knowledge I have never known it to be named that, not even when the high school was located in the city limits of Howard back in the 1970's. Was Elk Konnected even an organization back when the suggestion was made to encompass the campus on highway 99 within the city limits? I have not heard anything about extending the city limits to encompass any of the businesses nor homes east of highway 99, so from where did you get that tid bit of news?
WOW Daisy, you are a real breath of Fresh Air. You have Ross figured out, he is nothing but a POT STIRRER and a Troublemaker.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 10, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
You have Ross figured out, he is nothing but a POT STIRRER and a Troublemaker.
Personal attacks, name calling, etc. What pejorative label would you give yourself? Perhaps bully? No, your ilk have already assigned that one to us. Fact is, you can't offer anything to the ideas and concepts that have been brought up on this thread, so you're reduced to lowering yourself to the level at which you accuse others of operating. Projection? Perhaps you could start a new thread:
The big, bad names I call others to demonstrate my limited intellect & vocabulary. In the mean time, what do
you think are the greatest issues that need to be addressed by our county government, and what are your assessments of the ethics involved in a private company's use of public (taxpayer provided) resources (labor, materials & facilities)?
"Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
Quote from: Wilma on August 09, 2012, 12:22:07 PM
Is Ross ranting again?
Wilma Really?
And you love it, because you keep coming back, huh?
And I'm open for some real conversation about what is going on Elk County, unlike some.
Ranting or Raving it's all perspective and opinion!
Is having ideas and asking questions a property of only certain people?
And I believe, I have said many times, nobody needs to believe anything I say on here and that they should think for themselves.
I seriously try to avoid being rude. However, sometimes it is real difficult.
Free speech is constitutional.
We do believe in the constitution don't we?
Ross,
Constitution ? I think all that salt water pickled your brain buddy. Obama used our constitution to wipe his butt, then flushed it down the sh#tter---no wait, that wasn't until after his brown nose'n buddy, Holder, blew his nose on it.
darnit jarhead, must you always beat around the bush? For heaven sake Marine, aim that weapon & tell us what you really think! LOL
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
Ross, to answer your question on what I find humorous about this thread my reply is the constant repetition and quarreling. Plain and simple.
Was the idea to help fellow taxpayers in Elk County repitious?
If so. please show me where it was written before.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
But it seemed to me when I read it that you were trying to stir the pot, and get people all fired up once again.
If making suggestions and asking questions is considered stirring the pot, I gladly accept the job?
Perhaps you don't thinks people should be concerned about what could be or that they explore prerogatives. Is that the real problem? If they talk and explore they might discover what is wrong and what is right?
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
As far as whether I have answers to things that you feel have left you in the dark, nope ...I don't.
So you choose to remain in the dark and that is fine with me . Or are you an Elk Konnected insider that perhaps doesn't want to share? Or Perhaps, you don't want others to know or ask questions.
Quote from: daisy on August 09, 2012, 10:05:43 PM
And quite frankly I am pretty certain I won't lose any sleep over it either, and I know I sure as heck won't sit on the computer for hours complaining either.
If you have read this thread, and understand it you would have spent considerable time doing so. However, I did have to ask you to re-read one post in order to understand, what I wrote, didn't I.
But doesn't the Local Government belong to the people, shouldn't the Local Government's answer to all the people or just a few?
Especially, when they want to give money away in "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor"
/ "Welfare" type programs, OR when the government wants to raise taxes on some and let others slide.
Or are those type of programs fine with you?
Let's talk about it some more.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 10, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
WOW Daisy, you are a real breath of Fresh Air. You have Ross figured out, he is nothing but a POT STIRRER and a Troublemaker.
Name calling doesn't prove anything, does it?
Isn't that just your way of saying other people should not question Government?
Isn't that just your way of saying that only Elk Konnected, LLC and their
three or four Followers should have any say in Local Government?
While we are communicating so effectively, perhaps you could provide me a bigger pot and spoon, how about it?
ROFLMAO, thank you.
Off subject, but has anyone heard from Steve the goatman ? Hope his health is OK.
Quote from: jarhead on August 10, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
Off subject, but has anyone heard from Steve the goatman ? Hope his health is OK.
I see he checked in to the forum this morning & I spoke to him a couple of weeks ago. Otherwise I can't say.
Ross, I don't love your rants. I check in on this thread when I see that someone whose opinion I value has posted.
Quote from: Wilma on August 10, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
Ross, I don't love your rants. I check in on this thread when I see that someone whose opinion I value has posted.
Awww! I'm so hurt!
You still love the thread, LOL.
You Konnected Followers just can say anything nice, can you?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 10, 2012, 05:48:49 AM
WOW Daisy, you are a real breath of Fresh Air. You have Ross figured out, he is nothing but a POT STIRRER and a Troublemaker.
What a shame you don't even have a modicum of ability to engage patriot or ross that daisy displays. :)
Quote from: jarhead on August 10, 2012, 12:00:23 PM
Off subject, but has anyone heard from Steve the goatman ? Hope his health is OK.
Still here kicking, trying to find me some hay for my goats. :( Not going well here. pasture is dead almost dirt now. nothing but sunflowers growing and they are dying out.
Wasn't anybody in Howard even interested in you neighbors that don't pay city property taxes?
No? While the city raises your taxes to continue paying the fair share of those that don't pay, and you are not interested?
I find that amazing?
I find the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners idea of a "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" to pay rebates, or kick backs to people that build a barn 10 miles out in the country, thus allowing them to not pay their fair share of County Property Tax, totally rediculous. How about you, does that make sense?
How about back dating it to the first of this year, how does that make any sense, if it is suppose to bring people into the county?
Yea, they refer in the progarm outline about how the county population is dying off?
Do we really want to keep Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in office?
I mean even those Kounty Kommissioners at the "Meet and Greet the Candidates" spoke more of Elk Konnected, (privately owned company) then they did about themselves.
So, who really is running the County Government?
Don't we wish we could get Business out of our Federal Government?
Remember, Novrmember gives our county another chance to at least partially rectify the situation!
I also would like to express my opinion about this "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" and the possibility og others that may follow.
I do seriously believe if this program is passed and activated it will be followed by many others and by many regulations, permits etc.
It will simply be the pimple that starts a cancer that grows and grows.
It's the voters and taxpayers choice to stop the cancer before it get's started.
Just give it some thought?
I've been told there is a taxpayer near Howard who may be applying for the property tax rebates on a new structure. What new building is there near Howard that would qualify ($20,000 or more in cost)?
That wouldn't be that giant metal commercial looking building, just east of the highway
and just touching on Howards city limits?
I would think, if they are recieving any city services, that Howard aught to include them, inside the city limits.
,
So, they could pay their fair share of city property taxes to help support the city for those services?
Wouldn't that make them a good and responsible neighbor and bring them into the neighbor hood?
That could possibly fall under the true meaning of "Neighborhood Revitalization", huh?
But doesn't revitalize mean to restore?
To restore doesn't mean to build new in a new location does it?
Ross,
Any idea who owns that big building. Think I asked before but if it got answered, I missed it
If you're talking about the big white commercial building with the big overhead doors, I do believe that one is owned by close relatives to one or our county commissioners... or perhaps by the family limited partnership. Not sure. Imagine the property taxes that might generate. Unless, of course, those are rebated somehow.
any idea which commish ?
Quote from: jarhead on August 12, 2012, 04:09:08 PM
any idea which commish ?
There are only 3... pick one.
It belongs to David Perkins. There. I said it. Or, I guess you could call the Register of Deeds or the Appraiser and ask.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 12, 2012, 06:23:52 PM
It belongs to David Perkins. There. I said it. Or, I guess you could call the Register of Deeds or the Appraiser and ask.
is it a bad thing to say its david perkins place? Some how i get the feeling that folks tend to hide their opinions whenever the perkins or devlin name comes up.
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2012, 08:45:26 PM
is it a bad thing to say its david perkins place? Some how i get the feeling that folks tend to hide their opinions whenever the perkins or devlin name comes up.
I don't know anything about them folks. I guess because I'm an outsider, not born and raised here that is.
But I know our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner was a Perkins so is ther a relationship?
And if so, is Elk Konnected, LLC backed by the clan?
I thought, I read some mean things said by Konnected Kommissioner Hendricks on another thread about that Deviln name. I can't recall what it was.
I don't know much and people wonder why I ask questions. And Elk Konnected, LLC (a privately owned company) that claims to be community organizers won't communicate with the community of citizens of Elk County. Why?
Doesn't it appear that Elk Konnected, LLC only want's to control the county through the use of two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, which provides their little circle the controlling votes on the county government?
Just asking?
I think, we are getting to the meat of this thread, don't you?
Quote from Janet:
It belongs to David Perkins. There. I said it. Or, I guess you could call the Register of Deeds or the Appraiser and ask.
Thanks Janet. It's a good looking building. Next question----do you know what he built it for ? A business ? A work shop ? Indoor go-cart track ? Looks to be too nice a building just to store hay in. :D
As far as I know it is a business involving fertilizing, spraying herbicide, etc. . Lots of equipment and product visible from time to time. It also has office space.
On another note, Connie is planning to build next to it to move Sweet and Spicy so she isn't paying the outrageous rent where she is currently.
The law locks up both man and woman Who steals the goose from off the common, But lets the greater felon loose Who steals the common from the goose.
~ Anonymous
I really can't say what he uses it for. I know he has his semis there, so I just assumed it was for the farming part of the business. I believe David does the farming and Mark does the ranching. Not sure. This is just what I think I know from just being around David when he was married to my friend, Lorie. I enjoy visiting with David when I see him.
Well nothing in this weeks newspaper about Elk Konnected, LLC, again.
What has happened has our community organization fell asleep?
But we can see the actions of the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners on page 9 under public notices. Resolution No. 2012-06
Section 4, Elk County agrees to pay in equal shares with the state of Kansa sthe outstanding loan balance of two resident individuals who qualifies under the terms of qualifications provided by the state of Kansas in Senate Bill No. 198 and the appropriate rules and regulations.
Who cares what the state approves, big deal.
What about what the property taxpayers approve of?
Who are the two individuals that get the benefit of our tax dollars?
Do we really want to pay off their obligations?
Why couldn't they work while attending school to pay their own way?
Why can't they meet their own obligations?
But it appears that the two (2) Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners think we should pay off the debt of two very special people. It was only the two (2) Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners signatures I see on the form in the newspaper.
Our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner pointed out in her column Elk County Commissioners Comments that they finalized the county budget with no mill increase. Well that's good news. But it was only because she said, "Overall the county valuation went up a little."
I wonder what that really means? Does it mean they increased my property value so I will have to pay more taxes? Does that mean my property taxes will actually go up by $100 or $500 next year?
But I also wonder if they were that close to raising our property tax mill levy, how can they afford to even think about giving property tax breaks in the way of rebates or kickbacks?
Why do our two (2) Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners believe so much in Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs?
Who do you two (2) Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners actually think about when you are giving money away? Is it the taxpayers or is it friends, relatives, cronies? Just tell us the who, what, where, when and how's?
Did anyone notice the full page plus of delinquent property tax payers in the news paper?
How about the foreclosure did you notice that?
Times are tough!
Do we need to be running Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs for special people or special groups during these hard times?
November Elections are coming and we as taxpayers hopefully can do something about these Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs by voting.
This apparently has made its way around the world.
I think it applies here as well.
Quit being a crybaby for Beggar-Thy-Neighbor Money and pay your fair share of property taxes.
Or shame on you.
Advice by a judge in 1959 to some teenagers:
"Your parents do not owe you entertainment. Your city or village does not owe you recreational facilities. The world does not owe you a living. ... Grow up; quit being a crybaby. Get out of your dream world and develop a backbone, not a wishbone, and start acting like a man or a lady."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/trending-now/judge-words-wisdom-teens-tweens-goes-viral-180634774.html
November Elections are coming and we as taxpayers hopefully can do something about these Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs by voting.
QuoteI wonder what that really means? Does it mean they increased my property value so I will have to pay more taxes? Does that mean my property taxes will actually go up by $100 or $500 next year
Ross, Ross, Ross my friend. Unless you know the structure between the valuation, the taxes and the mill levy (as they are totally related and yet iindependent), PLEASE refrain from a (fill in the blank)
all-ready taxed
Quote from: srkruzich on August 12, 2012, 08:45:26 PM
is it a bad thing to say its david perkins place? Some how i get the feeling that folks tend to hide their opinions whenever the perkins or devlin name comes up.
Well, it's not a bad thing for me to say whose place it is or talk about Perkins or Devlin. I know both of these folks and think they are fine people.
However; some people seem to think they have to tiptoe around the Perkins name for some reason. Golly, they are just people like you and me.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on August 15, 2012, 08:22:10 PM
Golly, they are just people like you and me.
Like you'n me ? Janet there aint nobody like you'n me!! Pistol Packing Blondie is as close as one can get. ;D
I'm crazy as a shit house rat...~~you really putting yourself on the self with me??? lol
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 15, 2012, 08:21:43 PM
Ross, Ross, Ross my friend. Unless you know the structure between the valuation, the taxes and the mill levy (as they are totally related and yet iindependent), PLEASE refrain from a (fill in the blank)
all-ready taxed
I do understand the relationships ready. I was just trying to make a point. And I do believe, I did.
Our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner made the point, the budget was passed without a mill levy increase, but basically a re-evaluation of properties, which raise the property tax.
What problems can the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners face, with the budget next year, when they should recieve hundreds of thousands of dollars from the windfarm?
How else, can the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners afford the Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs, without that money or raising taxes?
I try to make sense and I know sometimes I fail to get the message across. But then again, maybe it does come across.
I try anyway.
How many more Beggar-Thy-Neighbor programs do we have to endure from the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners ?
You're coming across OK. Keep up the good work. There's some who are looking to government to
supply them and there are those elected who will do it. Government is not meant to be a charitable
organization.
Thanks Redcliff,
I do believe, it is our County Government's Konnection with a privately owned business, who's only business appears to be to control our County, through Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, to have these "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs, for the benefit of those involved with Elk Konnected, LLC.
Especially, since Elk Konnected County Commissioner Hendricks will no longer communicate with us or even bother denying anything put forth on this forum.
This is not the way our government should operate, IMHO.
I do believe we would all like to see Corporations get out of our Federal Government, so why not out of our county government?
Let's see if the Elk Konnected Kommissioners, publicize in the newspaper, who the two resident individuals are, that will benefit from having help with their outstanding loan balance's, from the Elk County property taxpayers.
And, I wonder what konnection two resident individuals might have with Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Just wondering and asking?
I'm sure hoping people vote out, at least one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, so we can have some resemblance of a government of all the people, by all the people and for all the people.
QuoteOur Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner made the point, the budget was passed without a mill levy increase, but basically a re-evaluation of properties, which raise the property tax.
I understand what you are getting at, and I can cite you several exmples where the tax is raised, but evaluations were not.
Also, the State requires
every parcel to be re-evaluated every year on Jan 1, as well as a hands-on measuring every 6 years.
The K-State also sets the AgLand Value, which took a huge jump this year. So, re-appraisal can stay the same, the mill levy can stay the same, and tax value may still increase, for those with Ag Land.
I just caught up in the phraseology of your meaning, and didn't want anyone to misinterpret that aspect. Carry on sir! :)
ready
Thank you Ready.
Like I said I don't always come across, so thanks for that input.
Can anyone, anyone at all, Even Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks tell us anything at all about the great (privately owned) Elk Konnected, LLC?
What has all their great visionaries been thinking lately and doing to give us that Superior Lifestyle here in Elk County?
Anything positive at all?
Has Elk Konnected, LLC recieved any or enough "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" monies in the form of grants to open their daycare in Moline?
Will the county government be providing entrepreneurial funding for the daycare center?
By the way is that a positive thing for Elk County, if you do open it?
Will people travel from Howard to Moline and back to go to work?
Will people travel from Longton to drop off their kids and then turn around and drive back to go to work in Independence?
Will people drive from Grenola tp drop off their kids and then turn around and drive to Wichita to go to work?
Wouldn'f all that driving back and forth be counter productive as far as the country's GREEN movement?
Would that take business and money in the form of income away from the lady's that run day care out of their homes?
Would that be a good, positive economic move for Elk County families that rely on that income to survive?
How would that make stronger families, taking away their income ? Do you really care?
Would Elk Konnected, LLC charge a much lower rate for daycare then the in home day care services?
And then after the home daycares close up, would Elk Konnected, LLC then raise their rates back up to the going rate?
Please Konnected Kounty Kommissioner tells us what your organization is doing for Elk County's Superior Lifestyle?
Will the daycare go the way of the Elk Konnected Wellness Center?
If two of you are re-elected as Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, will the county provide financial support to the Elk Konnected Daycare?
Will the Elk Konnected Daycare Center have a garden?
Please Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks give us some answers?
Inquiring minds want to know, what are the consequences and what's it going to cost the taxpayers?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners I recieved this e-mail and I thought perhaps it could help you with your "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs. And the also you would not have to beg for donation's on your Elk Konnected facebook page for the following:
Items we are looking for:
Washer, Dryer (Electric),Refrigerator ,Stove (Electric) ,Shelves, Children's books, Pack N Plays, Highchairs, Infant swings, Child sized table or Long table with adjustable legs, Child sized chairs, Developmental toys (infants to preschool age), Dress up clothes, Ball, Puzzles, Blocks, Baby Monitors, CD Player, Children's music, Television, DVD Player, Children's DVDs
Art Supplies: crayons, markers, children's scissors, glue sticks, glue bottles, paper, yarn, etc.
And you also wouldn't have to beg on your facebook for items to sell at the Howard City Wide Garage Sale.
Perhaps this e-mail may help wioth that begging problem you have.
I feel it must be real difficult to have to do so much begging, especially to start a for profit business.
Please correct me if I am wrong about all that begging.
If I can help, I'll gladly volunteer to stand on the busiyist corner of your home town of Howard with a tincup and beg for donations to help such a worthy County organization.
Anyway here is the e-mail I hope you find useful.
Kasikorn Bank of Thailand
106/3 South Sathorn Rd.,
Bangkok 10120 Thailand.
Tel. (+66)81689-4079
Attn: Beneficiary:
This letter is from the Kasikorn Bank of Thailand. We have discovered an
outstanding / unclaimed sum of money that originally belongs to you which is
at the tune of Ten Million United State Dollars. ($ 10,000,000,00) in favor of
your name and mandate has been given to this department to ensure that this
fund gets to you without any delay if only you are serious and ready to
receive your long overdue funds.
Further to this, A special arrangement has been made just to ensure that your
funds is released to you without any waste of time so you are advised to
quickly get back to this office with the below stated information so that we
can commence with the transfer of your funds directly to you.
Also, It will interest you to know that our office has received a message from
Mr.Richard Betron informing us that you instructed him to assist you in
receiving the said $ 10,000,000,00 on your behalf. Please, do understand that
our office will not release the said funds to Mr. Richard Betron if you do not
specifically send us authorization letter to do so. Please, Kindly get back to
us with this required details so that we can proceed with your payment.
Information required from you are:
Your full Name ....
Your Address :..
Your Occupation:......
Home / Cell Phone :............
Scan Copy of your ID Card ................
Sex................
Age................
We await your positive response .
Regards,
Dr. Rev. Austin George
International payment department
Kasikorn Bank of Thailand
106/3 South Sathorn Rd.,
Bangkok 10120 Thailand.
I sure hope the solves your begging problem.
I'm all for solid community enhancement projects & charity.... but really, do these people EVER invest their own wealth into their business projects? Lawdy! Grants for this, donations for that, taxpayer resources for another thing. At what point do the visionaries open their own checkbooks and directly invest in their own business ideas? They appear to take no personal risks and expect the masses to fund & provide for all their Big Ideas.
First we're taxed into the closet and then asked (by cronies of the big taxers) to 'donate' even more from our garage & basement. Remember when charity was something given based on a real need and not given based on having been begged for by those who have no personal need and simply want to avoid giving themselves or taking business risks with their own resources. It looks less like Beggar Thy Neighbor & more like Take From the Poor to Enhance the Rich.... Robin Hood in reverse.
Quote from: Ross on August 20, 2012, 06:11:02 AM
Items we are looking for:
Washer, Dryer (Electric),Refrigerator ,Stove (Electric) ,Shelves, Children's books, Pack N Plays, Highchairs, Infant swings, Child sized table or Long table with adjustable legs, Child sized chairs, Developmental toys (infants to preschool age), Dress up clothes, Ball, Puzzles, Blocks, Baby Monitors, CD Player, Children's music, Television, DVD Player, Children's DVDs
Art Supplies: crayons, markers, children's scissors, glue sticks, glue bottles, paper, yarn, etc.
Good grief! Get out your own checkbooks & go to Sams. Or buy your stuff cheap at the DAV and support a worthy cause. You want to start & run a business? Then act like business owners & take the risks with your own resources... for a change.
Oh, come on!
I think they want to be known as the "Beggars of Elk County" don't you think ?
They had lot of Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money and opened that business, uh, The Wellness Center
and couldn't make a go of it. They failed at running the business, but did they fail at linning their pockets?
Let'a see Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, sell the business to some one that knows how to run a business, where does the purchase money go?
Weren't these the same people that were going to advise people on how to start and run their own business?
But seriously, where did the money from the sell of the Wellness Center go?
So yeah, isn't it just a matter of being proud beggars?
Check out their list of proud beggar's on their facebook.
Wouldn't you be proud to be on that list?
And then they want to bring their begging to the Elk County Government in the form of tax kickbacks to a few, right?
They will call it rebates, I call it wellfare.
So I need a disclaimer right here?
I think so?
Because a follower threatened me with a lawsuit right here in this thread.
So here it is.
It' just my opinion folks.
Please VOTE in November.
Sounds like you are accusing them of outright theft. "lining their pockets." Uh, make that "linning"(sic) their pockets." Why do you do that?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2012, 06:56:50 PM
Sounds like you are accusing them of outright theft. "lining their pockets." Uh, make that "linning"(sic) their pockets." Why do you do that?
Uhmm because it is theft! Using tax dollars is always theft. It is money taken from the taxpayer by lethal force.
IF you or i were to do it we would go to prison for armed robbery and theft by taking
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2012, 06:56:50 PM
Sounds like you are accusing them of outright theft. "lining their pockets." Uh, make that "linning"(sic) their pockets." Why do you do that?
You Diane have the right to twist it anyway you want to.
However, if you re-read it, the truth is I asked a question, didn't I?
Here re-read it and show me where I made an accusation, please.
Quote from: Ross on August 21, 2012, 06:16:20 PM
Oh, come on!
I think they want to be known as the "Beggars of Elk County" don't you think ?
They had lot of Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money and opened that business, uh, The Wellness Center
and couldn't make a go of it. They failed at running the business, but did they fail at linning their pockets?
Let'a see Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, sell the business to some one that knows how to run a business, where does the purchase money go?
Weren't these the same people that were going to advise people on how to start and run their own business?
But seriously, where did the money from the sell of the Wellness Center go?
So yeah, isn't it just a matter of being proud beggars?
Check out their list of proud beggar's on their facebook.
Wouldn't you be proud to be on that list?
And then they want to bring their begging to the Elk County Government in the form of tax kickbacks to a few, right?
They will call it rebates, I call it wellfare.
So I need a disclaimer right here?
I think so?
Because a follower threatened me with a lawsuit right here in this thread.
So here it is.
It' just my opinion folks.
Please VOTE in November.
Goodnight Diane.
Ross, you can call it opinion. You can phrase it in the form of a question. It still doesn't take the accusatory tone out of the statement.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 21, 2012, 07:52:45 PM
Ross, you can call it opinion. You can phrase it in the form of a question. It still doesn't take the accusatory tone out of the statement.
So let me get this straight.
In the way I see words twisted by the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Followers, asking a question is to make an accusation, right?
A simple honest answer would be the wrong thing to do, I guess?
If a child would respond to his parent in such away, wouldn't that simply indicate to the parent that the child is hiding something or is guilty of something? That is by twisting the parents words?
And as a parent would you accept a response like that from you child?
Would you allow your child to constantly twist your words?
Would you?
Quote from: Ross on August 21, 2012, 11:10:45 PM
So let me get this straight.
In the way I see words twisted by the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Followers, asking a question is to make an accusation, right?
A simple honest answer would be the wrong thing to do, I guess?
If a child would respond to his parent in such away, wouldn't that simply indicate to the parent that the child is hiding something or is guilty of something? That is by twisting the parents words?
And as a parent would you accept a response like that from you child?
Would you allow your child to constantly twist your words?
Would you?
Ross, if you want to see the master of word twisting, look in the mirror.
Flint, you are right on.
Hey, Ross ,did ya ever stop mistreating yer animals? Just a simple question, needs a yes or no answer only. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.
I'm afraid to ask why you think the citizens of Elk County are the "parents" and EK are just "children." That's a very strange analogy that doesn't work IMHO. Isn't that an insult to all involved? ....Just a question ya know? And based on your history, you do not accept simple answers .They spawn new questions that never end...that's called interrogation.
Lethal force?
Your county taxes, if not paid, will cause someone to come hang or shoot you, or is it poison? Most places would attach one's wages or perhaps take property to sell...but execution? Wow, da wooly west does still exist in Elk County. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: flintauqua on August 22, 2012, 08:08:58 AM
Ross, if you want to see the master of word twisting, look in the mirror.
That's real mature.
Mature would be admitting that one steals statements made by others, uses them out of context, and through selective editing makes them mean the exact opposite of what the original author intended.
But you're above that right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
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Now that is just plain sick, Diane.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
I'm afraid to ask why you think the citizens of Elk County are the "parents" and EK are just "children." That's a very strange analogy that doesn't work IMHO. Isn't that an insult to all involved? ....Just a question ya know? And based on your history, you do not accept simple answers .They spawn new questions that never end...that's called interrogation. Quote
Now that is really super twisting things.
Did I say anything at all about Elk Konnected, LLC ? No!
Did I say anything about the citizens of Elk County? No!
That is like calling kickbacks of tax dollars to certain friends and relatives and cronies of the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Followers a rebate! Really, it's my personal opinion that it fall under welfare for those that don't need it.
It's like all that begging buy Elk Konnected, LLC in my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
Lethal force? Quote
Really Liz is that what you propose in Elk County?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 08:50:44 AM
Your county taxes, if not paid, will cause someone to come hang or shoot you, or is it poison? Most places would attach one's wages or perhaps take property to sell...but execution? Wow, da wooly west does still exist in Elk County. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: flintauqua on August 22, 2012, 09:47:31 AM
Mature would be admitting that one steals statements made by others, uses them out of context, and through selective editing makes them mean the exact opposite of what the original author intended.
But you're above that right?
ROFLMAO. THAT STATEMENT IS ALL OVER THE INTERNET.
What statement Ross? The one I just made, or some statement that I or others have made in the past.
Doing a Google, Yahoo, or Bing search for a fifteen or more word statement and having it return a hundred thousand results that hit on two or three words in the statement, and not even in the same order, does not mean "That statement is all over the internet".
Case in point. Your last statement "ROFLMAO. THAT STATEMENT IS ALL OVER THE INTERNET" just produced 5,320,000 returns from a Yahoo search.
Guess that means it's not your statement, since it's all over the internet.
By the way, what is it with you and all caps anyway? Does that mean you are shouting at me? Because that is usually what all caps means in electronic communications.
That was an accident except capitalizing ROFLMAO.
Dadgum nurse gave me a pain pill and I can't stand them. No more pain pills today or nay other day.
Even a mild pain pill messes me up.
But hey, remember I wasn't the one complaining about plagurism. Dang pain pill.
I'm gonna have to try to find that statement and revive it.
It was an excellent statement fo the present situation.
Oh shit, I'm out of here util the pain pill wears. It was the first and the lat one for me.
It's worse then being drunk.
TTFN
Is all this dialogue a textbook example of retrograde evolution of dialogue? And even that between both the formally and informally educated?
A reminder: Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events and small minds discuss people. -Eleanor Roosevelt
Can we stick to ideas?
Quote from: Patriot on August 22, 2012, 10:45:11 AM
Is all this dialogue a textbook example of retrograde evolution of dialogue? And even that between both the formally and informally educated?
A reminder: Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events and small minds discuss people. -Eleanor Roosevelt
Can we stick to ideas?
Good quote, the small minds fits you and Ross perfect, you both are always discussing people in this very thread.
Geez Ross, if you really don't know what an analogy is, just tell me and I'll explain it. You use them all the time but then pretend you don't by hiding behind "Did I SAY such and such?" That is using an analogy... where the subject has already been well defined and an example of some difference is used to further explain the subject. Remember Aesop's fables? Not really analogy, but you get the idea.
What did you have happen to need pain pills? Hope you feel better soon..really.
Patriot, perhaps you really mean de- evolution of dialog.HA! If you are saying the educated among us have an advantage fine, we'll take it. ;)
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 22, 2012, 10:54:24 AM
Good quote, the small minds fits you and Ross perfect, you both are always discussing people in this very thread.
Thanks for the personal attack. It proves my point exactly.
Perhaps if you look a tad deeper, you will see the discussion is more generally about the plans, ideas & methods of political officials, government employees and their associates.... and has been since day one.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 11:06:40 AM
Patriot, perhaps you really mean de- evolution of dialog.HA! If you are saying the educated among us have an advantage fine, we'll take it. ;)
No, teacher, that would be 'devolution' not 'de-volution':
Definition of DEVOLUTION
1: transference (as of rights, powers, property, or responsibility) to another; especially : the surrender of powers to local authorities by a central government
2: retrograde evolution : degeneration
(Source: Merriam-Webster)
So much for your assumed advantage. Booklearnin' isn't always the bestlearnin'. Wisdom is not necessarily gleaned from classrooms & paper degrees. The same with common sense. I doubt your 'education' would be worth a damn in Afganistan or even the wilds of Canada.... unless you can reason with bears, bullets & terrorists and talk them to death.
Wow! You have no sense of humor at all do ya? Now that's a real shame. What a waste. And it was de-evolution written to show how it was changed from your word evolution,( not devoluton.) As I shake my head. tsk tsk. 8) ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2012, 12:19:55 PM
Wow! You have no sense of humor at all do ya? Now that's a real shame. What a waste. And it was de-evolution written to show how it was changed from your word evolution,( not devoluton.) As I shake my head. tsk tsk. 8) ;D
Sure I have a sense of humor. I just missed the humor of your word invention. Here: LOL
Better now?
Shame on me? Read the Webster definition of devolution (entry 2) - "retrograde evolution". So much for your 'education advantage". Now that's humorous.
AH YES..nothing is funny unless you are the author. :P Daniel Boone taught me how to deal with bears years ago.
You are so right.
Quote from: proelkco on August 23, 2012, 06:23:54 PM
You are so right.
Really, I suppose ethics and principles and couth are laughable matters.
Like having Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that are associated with an organization that said they came about because of the Old Guard. I suppose that is humorous?
I consider their organization nothing more then the Old Guard with their hand out for all the freebies they can get, IMHO.
Which includes kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates on properties possibly worth $200,000 or more.
It'a not just a few dollars.
I don't think it's a bit funny for operating such a heist on the everyday taxpayer in Elk County?
Not very humorous is it?
By heist I mean everyone pays their fair share according to the county tax codes except for a speciial few.
If the county doesn't need the tax dollars to operate the county give taxbreaks to everyone.
Show some couth, ethics and fairness to all taxpayers
You should really try to understand a program before you downgrade it. The Elk County Commissioners receive no kickbacks and are hard working people. I am very proud of all of them and also appreciate the work they do for the whole county.
Quote from: proelkco on August 23, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
You should really try to understand a program before you downgrade it. The Elk County Commissioners receive no kickbacks and are hard working people. I am very proud of all of them and also appreciate the work they do for the whole county.
These are your words and only your words:
Quote from: proelkco on August 23, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
The Elk County Commissioners receive no kickbacks and are hard working people.
These words of yours could very easily be misconstrued. Sorry about that!
So you are proud of having Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners running our beautiful Elk County?
Now, I am gonna do some ass/u/me-ing. I ass/u/me your monicker is perhaps mis-spelled and should perhaps be
pro elk ko as in Ko for Konnected. And I ass/u/me that because of the way you twisted my words, which appears a favorite activity of the Konnected Followers.
I suppose, it wouldn't hurt, if you tried to understand what I wrote, instead of twisting it all out of shape, would it?
Show me where, I said what you are implying. Here is the sentence quoted for you to show me.
Quote from: Ross on August 23, 2012, 08:09:57 PM
Which includes kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates on properties possibly worth $200,000 or more.
It'a not just a few dollars.
Mr. ProElkCo if you are so pro Elk County why aren't you proud enough, to use your name openly, to defend what you apparently feel is a slam against Elk County by me. Not proud enough or proelkco to do that are you?
I feel, I personally appear, to be more pro Elk County than you, by the fact that I am not afraid to openly object, to what I feel is abuse of Elk County citizens and tax payers. Also the fact that, that I searched the internet in 2005 looking for an ideal place to retire to. While, you probably had very little choice where you live, due to being born and raised here.
I personally chose Elk County. As did many outsiders that live here. Isn't that what you folks that were born and raised here, call us. Outsiders? You don't object to us ousiders paying our property taxes do you?
I would personally appreciate hearing from you, how you think this "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" or any other "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" is good for Elk County as a whole. And I am sure, every one else on this thread would like to hear it, too. So please enlighten us, with your wealth of knowledge about the subject.
Don't you think each and every citizen and taxpayer should be informed of the facts and treated fairly by our county taxing system?
I expect you to just skip all the questions, because that is the apparent Konnected way, I truthfully don't expect any answers from
you, but it sure would be nice to have some answers with your expertise on this thread and this subject. We know that you have just logged on to the forum, but you sure don't come across as a newbie to this thread.
Quote from: proelkco on August 23, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
You should really try to understand a program before you downgrade it. The Elk County Commissioners receive no kickbacks and are hard working people. I am very proud of all of them and also appreciate the work they do for the whole county.
PRO, it is great to see some positive attitude on the Forum. You are a great idea for Banners for the upcoming election, "GO WITH PRO, TOSS ROSS". I know I have asked several people why they don't get on the Forum and oppose what Ross and company are putting out there. Most of them say they just ignore him because most of what he says is just crap.
Quote from: proelkco on August 23, 2012, 09:04:56 PM
You should really try to understand a program before you downgrade it. The Elk County Commissioners receive no kickbacks and are hard working people. I am very proud of all of them and also appreciate the work they do for the whole county.
LOL make up your minds. You don't call special tax breaks for only the rich isn't kickbacks? Yet yall scream bloody murder when the GOP want to include the rich in the taxbreaks they give everyone else. Double standards here folks. At least when we give the rich tax breaks in our national laws they at least provide jobs. Locally it isn't happening.
The tax breaks are not only for the so-called rich, they are for anyone that wants to build a structure. It will create future values on the tax rolls and WILL create jobs. Who do you think is going to build the structures. It is a great program and can provide lots of benefits for Elk County. New people, new structures, jobs and increased tax revenue.
Looks like a WIN-WIN program for Elk County. Future tax dollars, new people, Jobs and some new structures. Our young commissioners should be applauded for this one.
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 24, 2012, 07:25:32 AM
PRO, it is great to see some positive attitude on the Forum. You are a great idea for Banners for the upcoming election, "GO WITH PRO, TOSS ROSS".
Is that the best you've got!
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 24, 2012, 07:25:32 AM
I know I have asked several people why they don't get on the Forum and oppose what Ross and company are putting out there. Most of them say they just ignore him because most of what he says is just crap.
How dumb is that statement on a scale of 1 to 10??
Let me check the top of the page, one moment please.
The scale of 1 to 10 is way to small.
(Read 81690 times) They just aren't ignoring anything are they?
There are many more threads on this Forum where they could be going.
On a scale of 1 to 10 it is a 1.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 24, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
The tax breaks are not only for the so-called rich, they are for anyone that wants to build a structure.
In this economy most people don't have $20,000 or more to spend, now do they?
But isn't this plan to include things that have already been built this year.
For instance the Perkins building, built just across the city limits line in Howard?
How would be giving a tax rebate or welfare to that building benefit Elk County?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 24, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
It will create future values on the tax rolls and WILL create jobs.
Would you kindly prove how this "Beggar-They -Neighbor" program will create jobs?
Don't just say it or dream it, prove it, please?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 24, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
Who do you think is going to build the structures.
It will most likely be people wanting to make money as merchants, which is fine as long as they pay their fair share of property taxes, without kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates.
You see those kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates will be public record. And those will be the business I will personally boycott and I will ask my friends to do the same. They will not make a profit off of my dollar by being a "Beggar-They -Neighbor" business. So I ask you, if they loose 10 or 20% of their business, is that really good business for Elk County?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 24, 2012, 08:34:21 AM
It is a great program and can provide lots of benefits for Elk County. New people, new structures, jobs and increased tax revenue.
Would you kindly prove how this "Beggar-They -Neighbor" program will accomplish all that?
Don't just say it or dream it, prove it, please?
New people, from where? Are you now saying you born and raised here Elk County residents are now willing to accept outsiders.
Quote from: proelkco on August 24, 2012, 09:20:19 AM
On a scale of 1 to 10 it is a 1.
You need to learn to read, you see the scale at the top of the page just went from 81690 to (Read 81700 times).
I'm so sorry you don't comprehend.
Please pay attention!
Quote from: frawin on August 24, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
Looks like a WIN-WIN program for Elk County. Future tax dollars, new people, Jobs and some new structures.
And you in no way can prove a word of that can you?
Is that coming from the Elk Konnected, LLC Visionaries?
The same ones that were failures at running the Wellness Center in Howard?
Quote from: frawin on August 24, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
Our young commissioners should be applauded for this one.
Which one's are young, which ones are under 30 years old, which ones are under 40 years old?
Quote from: frawin on August 24, 2012, 08:40:15 AM
Our young commissioners should be applauded for this one.
Don't you mean the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Ross, I'm paying attention and can't see any disagreement with you.
There's no WIN-WIN whatsoever, it's a loss for liberty. Government programs are an introduction to
socialism and communism. Just follow the money and power.
And it looks like you all have another government program coming up. Hope you can defeat it.
Stay right in there.
"You see those kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates will be public record. And those will be the business I will personally boycott and I will ask my friends to do the same. They will not make a profit off of my dollar by being a "Beggar-They -Neighbor" business." -Ross
This is exactly why people won't respond to you and don't use their real names on here. Because if you knew who they were you would personally attack them and try to damage their credibility and reputation.
Also, you claim to love this county and chose to live here but now your going to boycott business'. Hoping to cost them 10%-20% of their customers. Wow, you really do love this community and your neighbors. You love them so much you want to run them out of business.
Ross you prove it.
How will the revitalization program not help to generate new tax dollars for the county?
How will it not add or improve structures in the county?
If one structure is built or improved it has added to the tax rolls.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
"You see those kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates will be public record. And those will be the business I will personally boycott and I will ask my friends to do the same. They will not make a profit off of my dollar by being a "Beggar-They -Neighbor" business." -Ross
This is exactly why people won't respond to you and don't use their real names on here. Because if you knew who they were you would personally attack them and try to damage their credibility and reputation.
Also, you claim to love this county and chose to live here but now your going to boycott business'. Hoping to cost them 10%-20% of their customers. Wow, you really do love this community and your neighbors. You love them so much you want to run them out of business.
It is love of country that drives the desire to see honesty in government. It is dishonest to steal money from hard working people to give to these businesses. IF they can't make a go of it on their own then should they be in business? No they shouldn't. They should either have what it takes to make a profit on their own or go belly up.
After all it is the American way to build your business on your own and reap your profits on your own. Otherwise your a obamaite that believes businesses were created by government and not hard work.
They are not stealing money away from anyone.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:24:07 AM
Ross you prove it.
How will the revitalization program not help to generate new tax dollars for the county?
How will it not add or improve structures in the county?
If one structure is built or improved it has added to the tax rolls.
Is that the best you've got, I ask you to prove, what you are saying and you come back with this childish bullshit.
Therefore proving, that you have nothing positive to prove about this program, right?
I can't find anything of positive proof of what you say of this scam. IMHO
I will state that if they give Welfare or property tax kickbacks to the Perkins building in Howard there is not a single improvement in Elk County from it, because it is already built. How's that for proof?
It could very easily qualify as a kickback because, supposedly the owner doesn't get the rebate until he pays his taxes on full, then a percentage of those taxes are kicked back to that owner.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
They are not stealing money away from anyone.
Really? The last i checked, taxdollars were taken by force and threat of death.
I'm not talking about the Perkins building. Do you know for a fact that it is eligible for the program? There are other applications for the program too.
The work kickback infers "Illegal" or "Fraudulent" The Neighborhood Revitalization Program is not illegal or fraudulent. It's not a kickback.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:53:48 AM
They are not stealing money away from anyone.
Then why not pay their fair share of taxes, without a kickback.
Let's give everyone a kickback since apparently the county doesn't need the money to operate and can afford to give money away!
Just think of all that people that would flock here.
But, back to reality, I will repeat;
Quote from: Ross on August 24, 2012, 09:40:07 AM
You see those kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates will be public record. And those will be the business, I will personally boycott and I will ask my friends to do the same. They will not make a profit off of my dollar by being a "Beggar-They -Neighbor" business. So I ask you, if they loose 10 or 20% of their business, is that really good business for Elk County?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 11:08:50 AM
I'm not talking about the Perkins building.
Why, is the Perkins building off limits?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 11:08:50 AM
Do you know for a fact that it is eligible for the program?
If you are not talking about the Perkins building, why ask about it's eligibility?
But just the same.
Aren't they still back dating the program to January 1, 2012?
Wasn't the building, built this year?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 11:08:50 AM
There are other applications for the program too.
Which brings us to the question of WHY?
Why is the County accepting applications for a program that has not even made it to it's first public hearing?
Wouldn't it be the proper and ethical thing to wait until the program comes into existance?
But where do we find ethics in our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 11:08:50 AM
The work kickback infers "Illegal" or "Fraudulent" The Neighborhood Revitalization Program is not illegal or fraudulent. It's not a kickback.
You are free to look at it as you wish, however, the term "kickback" may have a negative connotation to most, but it can also refer to transactions that are perfectly legal as well. Many words in the english language have many meanings. To me it is still a kickback. The taxing office, will kickback some portion of the money paid into the county coffer to the owner of the property. Simple and honestly put.
Ross, you haven't said how you think "fair share" should be calculated. Do you think all should pay the same tax? A flat tax or a sliding scale? A per capita "head tax" or just property owners?
By the way, corporate raiders and truly wealthy big businesses, as in corporate America, do use other people's money. Small business people may not...It's a different America.
What you call ethics is just doing good business to some. As far as "it's the rich who provide the jobs"...not so much any more.That has changed. Big business has figured out how to get more out of their employees for less. Fewer people are doing the same work that more did before.
That's how some failing big businesses are "saved." Someone comes in, fires everyone, but they are free to reapply for their old jobs at a much lower rate, longer hours, and few if any benefits. That's great for the bottom line, but the few at the top are still getting huge salaries, benefits and options, such as the use of the company condo in Florida and the company yacht and enormous separation and retirement packages.... That golden parachute. They protect each other.
By the way ,what is wrong with pre accepting applications and then holding them until the program is official? That way one would have some idea how many people are interested. It wouldn't necessarily give the pre applications an advantage, if none were considered until a closing date. Or perhaps I don't understand the program.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
Ross, you haven't said how you think "fair share" should be calculated. Do you think all should pay the same tax? A flat tax or a sliding scale? A per capita "head tax" or just property owners?
I'm sorry to have to say this but. This whole post of yours reeks of arrogant ignorance or that you perhaps believe most of the citizens of Elk County are ignorant. Are these the type of ethics you use while working with children. I hope and pray it isn't so.
The local tax system is set up properly to tax each person appropriatly for property tax. I don't believe the taxing system was set up to tax most fairly and not others as an Economic Development program for the rest. Ethically speaking fair is fair, not some twisted thinking as put forth in this post of yours. Please give this some thought. Because wrong is being done every where else does not make it right.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
By the way, corporate raiders and truly wealthy big businesses, as in corporate America, do use other people's money. Small business people may not...It's a different America.
And if they are doing it in this fashion with a lack of ethics and conviction which I'm certain they are. Then aren't they the downfall of a great nation?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
What you call ethics is just doing good business to some. As far as "it's the rich who provide the jobs"...not so much any more.That has changed. Big business has figured out how to get more out of their employees for less. Fewer people are doing the same work that more did before.
Oh yes Diane they have. They also fire or lay off people with 28 years on the job so the worker doesn't get a retirement check. Real ethics I suppose in your books. And yes they have reduced the American work force to below middle class incomes, leaving mahy homeless and on food stamps. Is this the ethics that made America Great. I don't think so.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
That's how some failing big businesses are "saved." Someone comes in, fires everyone, but they are free to reapply for their old jobs at a much lower rate, longer hours, and few if any benefits. That's great for the bottom line, but the few at the top are still getting huge salaries, benefits and options, such as the use of the company condo in Florida and the company yacht and enormous separation and retirement packages.... That golden parachute. They protect each other.
Diane again it doesn't have to be a failing business, it is done out of a lack of ethics and greed and to reduce the working man to poverty levels. I worked for an oil company that was very prosperous and they had middle management screw over the lower management and the work force. Yes, it happened. But the the next out come was middle management got upset when upper management started screwing them over. I was fortunate enough not to be hurt by it because I had left for greener pastures. The final outcome was the company was taken over by a foreign company due to the internal dirty work. That lack of ethics was really not good for America now was it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
By the way ,what is wrong with pre accepting applications and then holding them until the program is official?
Ethics plain and simple. Something you don't appear to have much care for.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
That way one would have some idea how many people are interested.
I am sure you have heard of the term "Feasability Study" and again "Ethics"
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
It wouldn't necessarily give the pre applications an advantage,
It wouldn't necessarily not give the pre applications an advantage, or why have them?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
if none were considered until a closing date. Or perhaps I don't understand the program.
They are already considered by virtue of accepting the applications. They even rolled a persons application over into this plan, from a different government plan, without his personal consent. How's that for ethics?
I would sure feel better about our county government if at least one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner were voted out of office. Which, I believe would restore ethics and values to the county government.
You can not, in any way convince me, that having two commissioners konnected to a private organization that came forth with the list starting on page one of this thread, are unbiased. But, I sure would like to see you try to convince me otherwise, it would make interesting reading.
Thanks for this very interesting post of yours.
The list from page one of this topic came from Elk County residents not from the Elk County Commissioners or Elk Konnected
Quote from: proelkco on August 24, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
The list from page one of this topic came from Elk County residents not from the Elk County Commissioners or Elk Konnected
You may believe that if you so desire.
The list was composed by Elk konnected, LLC and provided to two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and one independent free thinking County Commissioner.
Not one Elk County Citizens name was attached to any suggestion, not one?
Therefore, the ownership belongs to Elk Konnected, LLC in my humble opinion.
And I'm pleasantly pleased to see that this bothers you?
Please see http://www.freedomadvocates.org/images/pdf/how%20to%20handle%20predetermined%20consensus%20meetings.pdf for an education in control and manipulation.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
By the way, corporate raiders and truly wealthy big businesses, as in corporate America, do use other people's money. Small business people may not...It's a different America.
In my business enterprises classes i took eons ago, we were taught to use OPM. But OPM did not include using taxdollars. OPM is money that is given permission by the owner to use for a specified purpose. Not a piggy bank that once empty all one has to do is send out the armed agents to sieze money from those that earn it.
QuoteWhat you call ethics is just doing good business to some. [/.quote]
Piss poor ethics.
QuoteAs far as "it's the rich who provide the jobs"...not so much any more.That has changed. Big business has figured out how to get more out of their employees for less. Fewer people are doing the same work that more did before.
SOoo why is this a problem? IF you had to rely on antiquated methods of production, there would be nothing available except to the very rich. Production has always been the issue in any business. You want more of it. And yeah thats the nature of business. Now if employees aren't getting enough out of their labor then they did a piss poor negotiation before they became employed. That too is the nature of the business. Don't go into a job wanting 60 dollars an hour and settling for min wage as well as going into mcdonalds expecting 60 dollars an hour. You have to earn the 60 dollars an hour by being prepared .
QuoteThat's how some failing big businesses are "saved." Someone comes in, fires everyone, but they are free to reapply for their old jobs at a much lower rate, longer hours, and few if any benefits. That's great for the bottom line, but the few at the top are still getting huge salaries, benefits and options, such as the use of the company condo in Florida and the company yacht and enormous separation and retirement packages.... That golden parachute. They protect each other.
As i said before the ones at the top are at the top for a reason. They are smarter than the ones at the bottom.
QuoteBy the way ,what is wrong with pre accepting applications and then holding them until the program is official? That way one would have some idea how many people are interested. It wouldn't necessarily give the pre applications an advantage, if none were considered until a closing date. Or perhaps I don't understand the program.
Its unethical. Its like announcing a sale at (your favorite store) and then letting special priveledged people in to buy before the crowds get in. Its also used as a method to hide facts about those who are getting the kickbacks
Ross, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about.
That was an ugly and unnecessary comment about my personal ethics. Have you developed a colsstone heart too?You neve used to write so mean.
My post shows arrogant ignorance? Prove it! Prove there is anything arrogant on my part or any assumption of ignorance on the part of even one Elk County resident, other than yourself. What happened to talking about ideas instead of people?
You never did explain what I wanted to know, so I'll assume you are ignorant of how the taxes are assessed, and are trying to deflect back onto me. In some places residents pay a head tax in lieu of a property tax for people who rent and don't own property. In others, only the owner of record pays a tax and renters pay nothing. Some would say that is not fair as those people pay nothing for the county services they receive. In other cases the equivalent is in the rent they pay to the landlord. There are many systems. I was interested in yours, so instead I get a lecture on my ethics. Nice job.
Control and manipulation? I saw you were listed in the bibliography. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Steve, I'm not sure how what you wrote has to do with what I wrote. Example.... Remember years ago when suddenly big apartment buildings suddenly went condo? The people who had money to put on the street made big bucks..with other people's investment money. Some were buildings in rough areas of cities that were beginning to turn around. Brought up to HUD standards there was money to be made by people who knew how to do it. Then the smart ones started foundations and took incomes from running them, and put other things in trusts, again taking an income and paying very favorable taxes. All very legal. I know, boring.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 02:25:25 PM
By the way ,what is wrong with pre accepting applications and then holding them until the program is official? That way one would have some idea how many people are interested. It wouldn't necessarily give the pre applications an advantage, if none were considered until a closing date. Or perhaps I don't understand the program.
How can there be an application for a non-existent program. And absent the appropriate program (including the qualifications & requirements to apply) for what, exactly would one be applying? 'Pre-application' and waiting lists aren't codified in the state statute which authorizes these programs... to allow 'pre-application' would be a classic cart before the horse scenario. And, IMHO, Ross is right... circumventing the statute and implementing policy absent proper form & due process reeks of impropriety & would be less than honorable - at the very least.
How are we gonna keep the 2nd Amendment intact if we will not even stand against stuff like "re-vitalization"?
Comrade Obama will be proud of your County Commission if they enact revitalization - and he'll be proud of those
who supported such another government program.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
Ross, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about.
Now I find that statement just weird. If you don't believe and agree with what you write, why write it. I believe in morale, honesty, integrity and ethics and any other terms that imply these values. I don't believe in theft, burglary, sneakyness and word twisting and I say I don't believe in them to make it clear what I believe. I don't believe in "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs or Welfare for Corporations or the wasteful stimulation programs. But standby for QE-3 and a greatly compromised dollar in your wallet.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
That was an ugly and unnecessary comment about my personal ethics. Have you developed a colsstone heart too?You neve used to write so mean.
You are right Diane, I have often gone out of my way to be kind to you, It is just this time I felt you pushed the envelope and in this post you even said, "nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
My post shows arrogant ignorance? Prove it! Prove there is anything arrogant on my part or any assumption of ignorance on the part of even one Elk County resident, other than yourself. What happened to talking about ideas instead of people?
I think you answered about arrogant ignorance by saying, "nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about."
However, Diane I am sure there are some things in Elk County that I may be ignorant of and if I knew what they were I'd gladly share it. I don't know, what I don't know; now you know.
This thread is about Elk County, Kansas and our minor problems not Elk County, PA where I don't know anything about their problems.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
You never did explain what I wanted to know, so I'll assume you are ignorant of how the taxes are assessed, and are trying to deflect back onto me. In some places residents pay a head tax in lieu of a property tax for people who rent and don't own property. In others, only the owner of record pays a tax and renters pay nothing. Some would say that is not fair as those people pay nothing for the county services they receive. In other cases the equivalent is in the rent they pay to the landlord. There are many systems. I was interested in yours, so instead I get a lecture on my ethics. Nice job.
I feel, I explained myself quite clearly about our property tax. And I also explained fair is fair. I also explained that the people that take advantage of the rest of us taxpayers by not paying their fair share via a kickback called a rebate will be public information. This will lead to a boycott of their business by me and my friends. Simple, yes? They are in business to make a profit from my shopping at their place of business but if they want to make more money via this welfare program then they lose my business and my friends business. Isn't that a great economic development program?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
Control and manipulation? I saw you were listed in the bibliography. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
Ross, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about.
Now I find that statement just weird. If you don't believe and agree with what you write, why write it. I believe in morale, honesty, integrity and ethics and any other terms that imply these values. I don't believe in theft, burglary, sneakyness and word twisting and I say I don't believe in them to make it clear what I believe. I don't believe in "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs or Welfare for Corporations or the wasteful stimulation programs. But standby for QE-3 and a greatly compromised dollar in your wallet.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
That was an ugly and unnecessary comment about my personal ethics. Have you developed a colsstone heart too?You neve used to write so mean.
You are right Diane, I have often gone out of my way to be kind to you, It is just this time I felt you pushed the envelope and in this post you even said, "nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
My post shows arrogant ignorance? Prove it! Prove there is anything arrogant on my part or any assumption of ignorance on the part of even one Elk County resident, other than yourself. What happened to talking about ideas instead of people?
I think you answered about arrogant ignorance by saying, "nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about."
However, Diane I am sure there are some things in Elk County that I may be ignorant of and if I knew what they were I'd gladly share it. I don't know, what I don't know; now you know.
This thread is about Elk County, Kansas and our minor problems not Elk County, PA where I don't know anything about their problems.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
You never did explain what I wanted to know, so I'll assume you are ignorant of how the taxes are assessed, and are trying to deflect back onto me. In some places residents pay a head tax in lieu of a property tax for people who rent and don't own property. In others, only the owner of record pays a tax and renters pay nothing. Some would say that is not fair as those people pay nothing for the county services they receive. In other cases the equivalent is in the rent they pay to the landlord. There are many systems. I was interested in yours, so instead I get a lecture on my ethics. Nice job.
I feel, I explained myself quite clearly about our property tax. And I also explained fair is fair. I also explained that the people that take advantage of the rest of us taxpayers by not paying their fair share via a kickback called a rebate will be public information. This will lead to a boycott of their business by me and my friends. Simple, yes? They are in business to make a profit from my shopping at their place of business but if they want to make more money via this welfare program then they lose my business and my friends business. Isn't that a great economic development program?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
Control and manipulation? I saw you were listed in the bibliography. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I agree with you wholeheartedly Diane. Perhaps my name is there ;D
If It is concerning integrity, honesty, openness, ethics and morales in government. I'd prefer the rest of the country adhered to these characteristics as well
So, thank you.
Now back to the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, Okay!
It doesn't only appear we have two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that always vote to give the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC whatever they ask for, they also seemed to be running Elk Konnected, LLC for County Commissioner at the, "Meet and Greet the Candidates". After introducing themselves and their main qualification appearing to have been born and raised here they spoke about Elk connected, LLC several times. I was believing Elk connected, LLC was running for office more then the candidates. Did you ever hear Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau vote against
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks or vice versa. No, I doubt it! Why? Because then the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners would not have the controlling votes, now would they?
But wait a minute; we do have another actual County Commissioner, a non-Konnected, free thinker that appears to have the best interest of the whole county in mind. Amazing isn't it. I was very skeptical the first few times I meet Mr. Ritz, now mind you we are not buddies or close friends but after several visits and watching him at the County Commissioners meetings he has earned my respect. He has all the qualities mentioned throughout this post. I feel this great little county needs more like him on the County Commissioners panel. Therefore I will be doing a write-in and I hope many others feel the same way and do the same thing.
Unless they want to continue with Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Quote from: Ross on August 24, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
You may believe that if you so desire.
The list was composed by Elk konnected, LLC and provided to two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and one independent free thinking County Commissioner.
Not one Elk County Citizens name was attached to any suggestion, not one?
Therefore, the ownership belongs to Elk Konnected, LLC in my humble opinion.
And I'm pleasantly pleased to see that this bothers you?
Please see http://www.freedomadvocates.org/images/pdf/how%20to%20handle%20predetermined%20consensus%20meetings.pdf for an education in control and manipulation.
You are pleasantly pleased to see that what bothers me?
Is there anyone running as a write-in?
It can be done, two years ago in CQCo the write-in was elected to County Commissioner.
Ross, I'm sorry I am too hard for you to understand. I very often write things just for people to be able to get information. I'm not the only one here who does that!
That's one nice thing about being an Independent, I can agree or disagree with anybody anytime and not have to go along with anybody's party line.
I do like some of what Ryan has to say, just as I don't believe Mitt can do all the things he is promising. I don't dislike everything Pres.Obama has done, but some things, like Obama Care don't help me at all.
Once again it looks like the vote may come down to the electoral college and the popular vote won't mean anything anyway.
By the way you most assuredly do believe in word word twisting to make people's words say what you want them to, often the exact opposite of what posters meant. You surely aren't going to deny it!? I'm sure a number of people burst out laughing when they read that. Do really not know you do it?You also engage in some of the most twisted logic I've ever seen,connecting things that have nothing to do with each other. Or are you some how trying to make polymers?
You are going to withhold your business as some sort of black mail? And encourage your friends to do the same? Well, I guess that makes 3. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Why? Isn't that sort of stunt beneath you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Ross, I'm sorry I am too hard for you to understand. I very often write things just for people to be able to get information. I'm not the only one here who does that!
That's one nice thing about being an Independent, I can agree or disagree with anybody anytime and not have to go along with anybody's party line.
I do like some of what Ryan has to say, just as I don't believe Mitt can do all the things he is promising. I don't dislike everything Pres.Obama has done, but some things, like Obama Care don't help me at all.
Once again it looks like the vote may come down to the electoral college and the popular vote won't mean anything anyway.
By the way you most assuredly do believe in word word twisting to make people's words say what you want them to, often the exact opposite of what posters meant. You surely aren't going to deny it!? I'm sure a number of people burst out laughing when they read that. Do really not know you do it?You also engage in some of the most twisted logic I've ever seen,connecting things that have nothing to do with each other. Or are you some how trying to make polymers?
You are going to withhold your business as some sort of black mail? And encourage your friends to do the same? Well, I guess that makes 3. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Why? Isn't that sort of stunt beneath you?
I'll just take all that as a compliment, thank you.
Because!
I admit, I'm human and make mistakes and I also take credit for my mistakes!
Which makes alot better statement then:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
Ross, I'm sorry I am too hard for you to understand.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2012, 06:00:36 PM
nor should you ever assume I always agree with what I write about.
Here is the important topic on this thread
However, this thread is about local politics as in a privately owned company called Elk Konnected, LLC which was started by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and championed by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Lie bau as Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners having the controlling votes in Elk County, Kansas County Government.
In essence Elk Konnected, LLC in my personal and humble opinion controlling County functions even to the point of hiring a Konnected Youth Development Employee who appears to me to support and work more for Elk Konnnected, LLC then for Elk County, Kansas taxpayers, IMHO!
i And again n essence Elk Konnected, LLC in my personal and humble opinion controlling County functions even to the point of hiring a Konnected Economic Development Employee who appears to me to support and work more for Elk Konnnected, LLC then for Elk County, Kansas taxpayers, IMHO!
That is the subject on this thread and the principles, integrity, honesty, openness, ethics and morales and yes even in the leadership qualities of Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners should be questioned.
Also the Neighborhood Revitalization Program which provides rebates of property tax to a very few. Also, known IMHO as Welfare or "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money.
Any who take such moeny will be listed in public information and my very well have to deal with being boycotted, which is not good for retail business. So show mr the Economic Development in that?
Oh, so you say you will build a farm and don't have a retail business, fair enough. Which family member of your does have a retail business? Don't they require all of us taxpayers to purchase from them in order to make a profit. Would a possible drop of 20% or more in business be worth Welfare or "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money? Just asking?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 26, 2012, 09:41:31 AM
You are going to withhold your business as some sort of black mail? And encourage your friends to do the same? Well, I guess that makes 3. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Why? Isn't that sort of stunt beneath you?
It is in no way any form of black mail then their Neighborhood Revitalization Program that says I have to pay my fair share of taxes while others do not. It simply states that if votes and reason don't work there are other methods. I have always tried to keep my spending at home here in Elk County. However if the merchants don't appreciate it and choose tofurther finance their business through property taxes I can choose not to shop there. No threat, no black mail --- simple truth. What they choose is up to them.
Let the good times roll!
Duplicating your posts? Does that make them twice as...good...important...interesting... weird...or what.By the way most people take credit for the good things they are involved with, and take responsibility for their mistakes, not credit... So sez ye olde English teacher. 8)
Ross, just a question for thought:
It may be semantics, however " Revitilization" (1. to give new life to)
might be a stonger word than 'Incentive" (1.something that encourages somebody to action: something that encourages or motivates somebody to do something.)
Perhaps your take on 'revitilization' is more as an incentive, which is something that I would not like to see happen (like allowance for good grades, does nothing for those who cheat)
However, revitilization just allows people to 'catch up' on business until the time frame is up. I do know for a fact that businesses' have asked for that, in order to get their business up and running, without the burden of tax for a few years....and then were able to flourish with that relief.
They will be paying their fair share of tax, when due. A commercial rate is at 30% tax. Residential is 15%.
I think this has been blown out of porportion, and I do agree with Steve about buckling down and doing it without help, or not be in business.....however not in this day and age of rocketing prices for fuel, labor, insurance, etc.
I am on the fence about this one. and not because of "beggar thy neighbor"....that just sounds so wrong on so many different levels. If the program doesn't exist yet, then NO one should be appling.
ready
I agree Ready.
However this one is for homes or barns or whatever as long as it cost
$20,000 or more.
Hmmmmm.
Usually that is NOT revitilization, that is for business' to be annexed.
Not sure I agree. Thank you for mentioning that, Ross.
I know it has been stated before, but I get lost in the "purple boxes". lol
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I think the majority of Elk County is in a purple haze, ever since Elk Konnected, LLC came about with what I consider a lot of word twisting and manipulation and then when the Konnection to the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the controling votes on the panel emerged. All of which in my opinion show that a very few people are manipulating and controlling our county government. Just like in many other government area's in our nation.
That's why I say, we need change to at least one non-Konnected Kounty Kommissioner.
We need another self thinker, self motivated individual whose interested in the whole of the county like Mr. Ritz.
Someone who is above being manipulated ---- very simple in my opinion.
What I feel I have learned about Elk Konnected, LLC is they say what they think is good for us and that we should positive about and help make it work, whatever it is. If you disagree with them, then you are a negative person. Now if that is not the most negative attitude a community organization can have, I don't know what is.
Ross, again I ask what are you pleasantly pleased that bothers me?
To answer somebody's question about a write in candidate; Randy Julien ran a write in campaign in the primarys. I am hoping that he does so again in the Nov. election. He is a businessman here in Moline, and he beat the third candidate. Between Randy and the third candidate they pulled more votes than the incumbent. It appears that Ross is not the only person who disapproves of some of the commisions' actions. And those votes were all GOP voters. Interesting.
Can someone please tell me what Randy Julian is planning to do to help the county? Also what has Mr. Liebau done so wrong? I am not trying to be hateful or spiteful to either candidate just interested before I vote?
I sniff a troll alert.
sixdogs:
you are correct in that we need to think outside the box for you you all want.
Write in's are most accepted.
Quote from: proelkco on August 26, 2012, 04:19:59 PM
Ross, again I ask what are you pleasantly pleased that bothers me?
I thought surely you were jesting, I thought it was crystal clear what I was talking about.
But I will try to clear it up for you.
I said:
Quote from: Ross on August 24, 2012, 03:30:30 PM
You can not, in any way convince me, that having two commissioners konnected to a private organization that came forth with the list starting on page one of this thread, are unbiased. But, I sure would like to see you try to convince me otherwise, it would make interesting reading.
I gave full credit for the failure of a list to Elk Konnected, LLC whom I believe even took credit for it in the newspaper and their web site and to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. And that appeared to bother you because you came back with pointing the finger at Elk County Citizens.
And you attempted to correct me by saying:
Quote from: proelkco on August 24, 2012, 04:00:10 PM
The list from page one of this topic came from Elk County residents not from the Elk County Commissioners or Elk Konnected
And I responded:
Quote from: Ross on August 24, 2012, 04:27:00 PM
You may believe that if you so desire.
The list was composed by Elk konnected, LLC and provided to two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and one independent free thinking County Commissioner.
Not one Elk County Citizens name was attached to any suggestion, not one?
Therefore, the ownership belongs to Elk Konnected, LLC in my humble opinion.
And I'm pleasantly pleased to see that this bothers you?
Please see http://www.freedomadvocates.org/images/pdf/how%20to%20handle%20predetermined%20consensus%20meetings.pdf for an education in control and manipulation.
Quote from: proelkco on August 26, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Can someone please tell me what Randy Julian is planning to do to help the county?
I can't help you with this one.
Quote from: proelkco on August 26, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Also what has Mr. Liebau done so wrong?
It's not so wrong in as the perhaps the meaning of your question.
But where are the ethics in being a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner with what appears to be mis-placed loyalties and voting to give county money to the privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC, shouldn't he recuse himself, when voting to give money to Elk Konnected simply out of ethics. He has been like their cheerleader during County meetings. He even during the Meet and Greet the Candidates mentioned Elk connected, LLC enough times that I nearly felt that Elk Konnected, LLC was running for office.
Now I ask you. Do you want Elk Konnected, LLC to occupy two county commissioners seats and the possible inappropriate appearance of a privately owned company running Elk County?
Quote from: proelkco on August 26, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
I am not trying to be hateful or spiteful to either candidate just interested before I vote?
Hmmm!
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
"You see those kickbacks or welfare called property tax rebates will be public record. And those will be the business I will personally boycott and I will ask my friends to do the same. They will not make a profit off of my dollar by being a "Beggar-They -Neighbor" business." -Ross
If they don't care to support the county by paying their fair share of property taxes by receiving a kickback being called a rebate, then I don't care to support them through the profits they make off my money in purchases. Fair is Fair. Simple, positive thinking! Oops did I steal a positive from Elk Konnected, LLC --- just a little humor of sorts.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
This is exactly why people won't respond to you and don't use their real names on here. Because if you knew who they were you would personally attack them and try to damage their credibility and reputation.
Really? You can assume that, but you are wrong!
Just who have I personally attacked and tried to damage their credibility and reputation?
Do these people whomever you are talking about have such fragile credibility and reputation that they can not hold an open conversation? If so,
They then have my sympathies whoever they are!
Sounds like the excuse of a coward to me, just my opinion.
Quote from: patriotdad on August 24, 2012, 10:17:52 AM
Also, you claim to love this county and chose to live here but now your going to boycott business'. Hoping to cost them 10%-20% of their customers. Wow, you really do love this community and your neighbors. You love them so much you want to run them out of business.
If they are going to choose to boycott paying their fair share of property taxes by use of a lame "Neighborhood Revitalization Program", yes I will respond in kind by boycotting them! And I will ask others to do the same.
I just crossed the highway today and greeted new neighbors to Elk County. Really nice people that moved here from Missouri. Hey, and without any Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money. But I'm sure they are bringing funds into the county and isn't that economic development. No, I haven't discussed this subject or this thread with them yet.
I meet another nice couple that just moved here about a month ago, and no Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money.
Isn't that amazing, more economic development growth and no welcome wagons.
What's the world come to?
Quote from: proelkco on August 26, 2012, 05:20:36 PM
Can someone please tell me what Randy Julian is planning to do to help the county? Also what has Mr. Liebau done so wrong? I am not trying to be hateful or spiteful to either candidate just interested before I vote?
Regular attendance at county commission meetings alone could answer that question. While a likeable fella, Mr. Liebau is NOT a strong conservative. After switching from Democrat to Republican, imo, solely to carry the majority registered Republican vote in the last general election, Mr. Liebau has since demonstrated that there is clearly not a spending plan he doesn't favor. When discussing county debt last year, Mr Liebau happily informed the public that a lease is not a debt.... say what? KOMA & lawful matters taken up in executive session? Naaaa. The list goes on & on. As I said, just as with Obama's 'likeability', Mr. Liebau seems a very likeable person. But from a management & policy perspective... a non-starter in my opinion.
As for Mr. Julian... he's attended 1 county commission meeting in the last 18 months that I'm aware of. As a former road employee, I'm not convinced he has a complete grasp of the wide array of problems we face in Elk County. He seems fixated on county road issues, While important, the roads aren't the only challenges we face. Budgeting, depresses property valuations, Agenda 21 programs at the back door, employee benefit costs, and on and on. Right after the election filing date, Mr. Julian was heard discussing his need to campaign in Elk Falls.... the problem being that Elk Falls wasn't in his district, nor had it been for 6 months. Even I've heard him talking about the needs of our 3500 residents.... the 2010 Census says our population was down to 2882 even then. If the man doesn't know his own district boundaries and mis-states the county population by over 20%, is he really ready to represent 1/3 of the residents in county management affairs? I would have to wonder. Again, these observations are purely business and not personal. Mr. Julian is surely a likeable guy.
There's some starter info. Good luck in you decision making.
Quote from: readyaimduck on August 26, 2012, 05:55:03 PM
I sniff a troll alert.
Could be.
Thanks for the info.Alot of that is worth looking into.
I believe FDR explained it real well in 1935 when he said:
In his 1935 State of the Union message, Franklin D. Roosevelt said,"The lessons of history show conclusively that continued dependence upon relief induces a spiritual and moral disintegration fundamentally destructive to the national fiber. To dole out relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit."
IMHO
Relief = Welfare
Welfare = Rebates
Rebates = Kick Backs
Yes Sir! No sense in shielding anything from the free market with gov't money and programs.
Either they make a go or they don't.
Elk Konnected, LLC nor the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have the time to talk, that is to have an open, honest two way dialog with us.
Especially the founding member our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, I don't see how she has time for Elk County at all these days. What with all the hats she wears and has trouble leeping them straight. Now she is President of Public Squares Communities INC. That's right No longer an LLC.
She now not only does Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks votes during County Commissioners meetings to provide county funds to Elk Konnected, LLC which she leads, it's possible some of those dollars could be making their way to the parent company (more or less, I don't) Public Squares Communities INC.
Oh, all them hats she talks about. I found a list she composed for everyone.
Here it is:
President and Accountant for Hendricks Enterprises
• Elk County Commissioner - 2002 to present
• Real Estate Agent - Sundgren Realty
• Founding Member - Elk Konnected Community Development
• Howard Chamber of Commerce Member
• Howard Rotary Member
• Elk County Farm Bureau Member
• Elk County Country Cattlewomen Member
• Kansas Farm Bureau Member
• Kansas State High School Activities Association Member
• Kansas Governor's Ag Advisory Past Board Member
• Kansas Cattlewomen Past Member
• Married to Doug with twin girls Rachel and Anna
Don't you think it's time for some new blood on the County Commissioner Panel.
Some one not so busy, perhaps, and they could perhaps focus better on county business
She has been in office ten years and what has been done to lower property taxes or improve the Elk County Quality of life.
Oh, that's right she started Elk Konnected, LLC which says it will inprove the Elk County Quality of Life, riiight?
Where is it? How does she propose to accomplis an improved Quality of Life. She can't or won't say, or hasn't got a clue how to do it.
Don't we want our Congressmen limited to the number of terms they can serve, Why not at home in Elk County?
I don't happen to live in her district but i do happen to live in the county where her decisions affect everyone in the county, so yes I'm speaking up.
I know there is a really nice guy there in Howard that is running against her, that isn't so busy with all thosw hats she says she has trouble keeping straight. I believe him to be a man of Ethic's, Principals, Honorable Actions, Integrity, morals, and Common Decency.
How about some of that POSITIVE stuff of Elk Konnected, LLC and go for some positive change.
Please don't tell Hebb I said this about him, he makes about two of me, and right now I can run due to being slightly, temporarily handicapped.
No, Hebb has no idea I put this up here, none what so ever and I hope it stays that way. LOL
I think you can add one more hat....
President of Public Square Communities, Inc. as of a couple of months back.
Some people, like Liz and Ken, work all of the time for the good of the county and the people and some just jabber. I think the people will remember who works for them and who just jabbers the same old same O.
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 27, 2012, 06:48:59 PM
Some people, like Liz and Ken, work all of the time for the good of the county and the people...
And since we're trying to keep this at a factual level... can you provide the facts to support your generalization?
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 27, 2012, 06:48:59 PM
Some people, like Liz and Ken, work all of the time for the good of the county and the people and some just jabber. I think the people will remember who works for them and who just jabbers the same old same O.
You are so right Oldtimer they sure do jabber a lot about Elk Konnected, LLC why, even when they spoke at the Meet and Greet the Cabdidates about Elk konnected, LLC.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit working at the West Elk High School before the end of the year, she said she was too busy. Wow! And the school didn't even give her any recognition for her time in service as the Head Girls Volley Ball Coach. But I guess that's another story. Or another different thing for her.
Was she so busy working to become the great and awsome President of Public Squares Communities,
LLC (oop's) now
INC.Don't ya reckon she got to busy and important for the kids of West Elk and consequently is too busy and important as President of Public Squares Communities INC, for Elk County.
I mean Public Squares Communities INC has little groups as far away as all four corners of Kansas, won't that require a lot of travel for her to visit all those lemmings? So, where is she going to find time for Elk County. I'm sure She has already missed county meetings before becoming the all powerful President of that little company, that wants to become a big company, which will require a lot of work on her part and probably away from home. Afterall didn't the previous President from Leoti, Kansas spend a lot of time here in Elk County to seel us his bill of goods? Leoti is a decent distance from us and yet now there are some that are even further from home for her. Just something to think about.
Like I said some people just jabber. Ross what have you done for the good of Elk County.
Where is it that folks come up with this requirement that a person has to do good for the community? As long as they are honest, stay out of trouble, raise their kids up to stay out of trouble and work hard, then that is the extent of any requirement. No one has to do any more than that to be considered a good citizen. This mentality that you have to follow the leader and do whatever they say is a bunch of hooey. Personally stand up and questioning authority is what makes a good citizen. It is amazing that its ok when the left/liberals do it, its ok. but when anyone else does it its considered an attack and vile. I call it absolute stupidity if you don't question authority and their actions. Not questioning authority and actions is what got 6 million jews murdered in death camps and 50million russians, as well as God only knows how many people have been killed under islam while the "majority" that just followed the leader cheered them on.
Individuality and refusal to accept what the authority says as Gospel is what won our freedom and has kept us free for all this time. It is unbelievable that folks today don't give a rats ass about being free.
"Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"
Nice post there, Srkruzich. The liberals and Republicans won't like it - they'd prefer hearing something more like
"you didn't build it yourself. Our foundation is not sociialism.
Oldtimer, what do you believe that Ross should do for the community and what have you done?
You talk like you've became a legend in your own time.
Quote from: Oldtimer on August 28, 2012, 07:02:56 AM
Like I said some people just jabber. Ross what have you done for the good of Elk County.
I chose to retire here. I wasn't born and raised here without ever leaving it.
I did a considerable amount of world travel and have lived in several states and locations, I chose retirement.
I moved here! LOL
I brought outside money into the county, which I believe falls under economic development.
I cleaned up my little 60 acre farm and built several structures on it. Isn't that what the Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, Neighborhood Revitalization Program is all about?
Oh, and I started this thread, and I thank the owners of this forum for prividing this forum.
I try to avoid being a braggart so I will stop right here.
If you wish to read about a few others that I accomplished without Elk Konnected, LLC involvement you may at your leisure read back in numerous pages into this thread.
When is the last time you personally welcomed anew resident to Elk County, I just did that very thing Sunday.
So what have you done for Elk County?
I can tell you must do for Elk Konnected, LLC but that's not Elk County, now is it?
Thanks for asking, Your turn.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 28, 2012, 08:31:49 AM
Nice post there, Srkruzich. The liberals and Republicans won't like it - they'd prefer hearing something more like
"you didn't build it yourself. Our foundation is not sociialism.
Oldtimer, what do you believe that Ross should do for the community and what have you done?
You talk like you've became a legend in your own time.
I get tired of being told i owe something to the damn community! I owe no one anything other than to be responsible honest individual. Period. thats it. ANYTHING ELSE is granted by my good graces and charitable giving which the only authority in that is my Lord! I don't do it for anyone but him when I do it. I honestly am tired so tired of it all anymore and am to the point i wish he would come snatch me out of it all.
I feel as if i am surrounded by a bunch of greedy squabbling little children who bitch and moan if they don't get their way. They can take their toys and go home as far as i am concerned but shoving, cajoling, intimidating, guilting folks into your ideology is only going to cause those like me to say shove it up your fat ******. Cause i only responsible for me and my actions not the life welfare and prosperity of others. READ THE CONSTITUTION. IT SAYS we have a right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, there is no reference in there stating that it is my responsibility to fulfil those principles for you! DO it yourself. Each one of us is responsible for our own lives, our own liberty and our own happiness. And when a collective force comes against those ideals. The individals that are responsible and take care of their own business will come together in force against those who wish to deny us our liberties. ITS JUST AN AMERICAN THING!
Fortunately Redcliff and Srkruzich do not live in Elk County, own no property in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County. The people of Elk County have always been great to answer the call to volunteer for whatever they are needed for and they will continue to. Ross stated that he did not like to be asked to volunteer, yet he knocks the people that give so much of their time to help others.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Fortunately Redcliff and Srkruzich do not live in Elk County, own no property in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County.
Wow! Talk about a lack of focus on real issues and negative assaults on folk. What a fascinating study in sociology your perspectives offer. Perhaps closed minded, 'hate the outsider' views like yours are part of the reason they don't live, vote or own property here.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ross stated that he did not like to be asked to volunteer, yet he knocks the people that give so much of their time to help others.
Word twisting? It's clear that you've missed what is really being 'knocked.' Your obvious lack of understanding is your problem, not that of others.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
The people of Elk County have always been great to answer the call to volunteer for whatever they are needed for and they will continue to.
And of those private citizens you wish to exclude & profane, you really know nothing. How open minded of you. Perhaps if you cleaned your spectacles, spent less energy on self ingratiating and pounding on peoples personal situations, and could focus on the issues of government/private entanglements that this thread has been trying to address for over a year, you might gain a new perspective. Personally, I won't hold my breath.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Fortunately Redcliff and Srkruzich do not live in Elk County, own no property in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County. The people of Elk County have always been great to answer the call to volunteer for whatever they are needed for and they will continue to. Ross stated that he did not like to be asked to volunteer, yet he knocks the people that give so much of their time to help others.
You are so full of yourself and twisting words.
First I have traveled extensively here in the US and in Asia.
Let's include Germamy as well.
I have meet plenty of decent and helpfull people where ever I have been.
Elk County nor Kansas nor the US of A holds any special title for being helpful.
And on the other hand I have found just the opposite in all the same places.
I have also seen plenty of organizations that claim to do things and accomplish nothing.
They talk the talk, but don;t walk the walk. It's representative of the worst Bullshit I have ever heard.
Why, do they do it? To make money and pay themselves a salary?
Do they do it to become President of some little club that pays a larger salary?
Really, why do they make claims they either have no business making or can not accomplish?
Where is the Rainbow Stew?
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Ross stated that he did not like to be asked to volunteer,
I have never stated I did not like to be asked to volunteer, let's get it straight. But if I choose not to volunteer that is my business, not your Elk Konnected, LLC's business to use to attempt to put me down. I am far above all that childishness. I may have siad the Elk Konnected is not going to badger me into volunteering
for them. As did happen at a Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting. It did not work. Elk Konnected, LLC again failed at trying something.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
yet he knocks the people that give so much of their time to help others.
Who, exactly who have I knocked that volunteers, who? Name, names please?
Nobody even claims to be a member of this so called community organization. Or they hide? Why?
What do they have to fear besides fear itself. Or is it actually the "Old Guard" that Elk Konnected, LLC claimed to have so much trouble skirting around? Did Elk Konnected, LLC actually accomplish something and skirt the "Old Guard" and now they are scardy cats?
What's the actual truth?
Oop's sorry got slightly off track. Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau during an actual Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Meeting told the audiance I don't volunteer. Is that County business! Besides how does he know what I do or don't do? I suppose if you don't volunteer for Elk Konnected, LLC you are considered the scum of the earth? Because that can be the only volunteering I can figure he would know to Konnect me to?
He failed as Elk konnected, LLC often does! He failed to tell the same audiance that he doesn't volunteer either. I wonder why?
Why doesn't he volunteer his time to help others.
Ya, all gave me achuckle today.
Keep up the good work.
Quote from: ELK@KC on August 28, 2012, 11:35:24 AM
Fortunately Redcliff and Srkruzich do not live in Elk County, own no property in Elk County, do not vote in Elk County. The people of Elk County have always been great to answer the call to volunteer for whatever they are needed for and they will continue to. Ross stated that he did not like to be asked to volunteer, yet he knocks the people that give so much of their time to help others.
What does that have to do with what i talked about. I don't own property in DC but you can be damned sure i have a say in what goes on. I Don't care if its in podunk elk county or metro atlanta georgia, government is government and yes i'll speak out against the unethical, immoral and often illegal activities in any government. I don't have to be a resident of that particular town or county. And i'm going to call a crook a crook. I've seen enough of it to recognize it in any town USA.
One of the things that Patriot and ross have been talking about is this supposed volunteer organization called EK. IF it was volunteer, then they would use their own money accept zero pay for it, and never request government to fund it. It isn't volunteer if they pay themselves or government supports it. It then becomes a business. Well Businesses have no right to receive tax dollars. In fact they should be barred from receiving tax dollars as it for one is not available to all businesses which means that privileged few are getting unfair benefits. I wouldn't donate squat of my time money or anything to a LLC that claimed to be doing volunteer work for the community. I quit giving to the Red Cross when they stole money during 9/11 and got caught. Never again. I'll tell ya i've noticed and heard many folks in elk county talk about the corruption there and it is so amazing how it is covered up and no one does anything about it. Reminds me of how jimmy venerable in stone mountain ga ran things back in the 60 &70's. IF you don't know him he was the Grand wizard of the local klan.
I grew up in this system and haven't liked it ever. I think if your going to be in charge of peoples tax dollars by God you had better have an accounting of every red cent to be spent on Proper government expenditures.
Anything else is thievery
My words, questions and opinions are in blue so as to keep the recognition between me and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Letter to Elk konnected, LLC. I hope!Really Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks what is Elk Konnected, LLC really?
Is it a business or a community organization of some sort?
Or is it just a Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money machine involved in County Government?
Answers please?
Elk Konnected | Facebook
www.facebook.com/elk.konnected
Elk Konnected has worked at Elk Konnected, studied at
Howard West Elk Junior ... Join Facebook to connect with Elk Konnected and others you may know.
She list's the following information on the organization:
Worked at Elk Konnected
Went to howard West Elk Junior – Senior high
Lives in Howard, Kansas
https://www.facebook.com/elk.konnectedThey have even failed at keeping up their thread here on the Forum
Check it out before they ask that the page be deleted.
I guess there wasn't to much interest generated.
It lasted less then a month. Wow! IMPRESSIVE, NO?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?topic=5185.0
From Elk Konnected, LLC Web Site
At Public Squares Communities, Inc
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php
Is this truly what they are about?
Elk Konnected
Strong Families
What qualifications do they have as social workers?
Just how do they plan to insert their selves in to the families of Elk County?
And would it be legal?
Solid Education
What special qualifications does Elk Konnected, LLC have to interfere in the State and Local School Board operations?
Are they planning to circumvent the present and legal system?
Would it be legal?
Superior Lifestyle
Please explain what this means to you so we can understand?
As stated it means absolutely nothing and how do you propose to do what ever it means?
Stay with us as we grow
2011
Here it is in the last half of 2012, where is the growth?
We know your failures, What have you actually accomplished besides further division throughout the county?In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"?
What resident?
Our County Commissioner, the one working for Public Squares Communities. INC and who could make money for her employer? Is that the resident you are talking about in this letter? Isn't that you, yourself Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks?
Do we really need a County Commissioner that spends our monies with her own company? And for what? What do we get for the money? Whether it comes from City Councils, School Board of County Taxes? Is this what we need in a County Commissioner?
Inquiring minds want to know. With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.
Isn't it a shamefully negative attitude for Elk Konnected , LLC to shame and diss Elk Falls and Longton?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks stated openly that it was not their intentions to diss these two communities. But yet it is still up on her Elk connected, LLC web site. Why? If she did not intend to diss them, why not remove it. I just copied and pasted it right here. I'm to lazy to do all that typing unless i have to.
Besides isn't it the responsibility of the City Councils to abide by the wishes of their community. Or is their city council to bow to the wishes of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner. Almost communistic, the Devil made me say that. Sorry?
Do we really need this kind of Elk County Commission? Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation.
Isn't this an Elk Konnected. LLC sister organization.
What is the connection between it and Elk Falls or Longton? NONE?
Isn't that organization home based in Howard just like Elk Konnected, LLC? How can these two polarizing events happen at the same time? We needed help! Conversations started with Terry Woodbury in January 2007.
Boy howdy, I agree with you on that you need help, because IMHO your propoganda is falling apart. Mixing apples and oranges in a letter to yourself doesn't appear to work to well either, do you think?
But all this came about because, you chose to make it appear that way, didn't you Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks?
Now wait a minute Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks wasn't Terry Woodbury your employer at the time. And now you have his position as President of Public Squares Communities? How much does that job pay? Will we be paying at least a part of that salary with our School, City's and County taxpayers monies?[/color]
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about their actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
" There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Borrowed words, but they all came from the same dictionary and slightly rearranged! LOL And again, good folks of Elk County is this the kind of County Commissioner you want?
Really What is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Their Letter
Part 2 The end of the letter?
The truth please!
My words, questions and opinions are in blue so as to keep the recognition between me and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Letter to Elk konnected, LLC. I hope! A month later, he traveled to Elk County to visit with two people, explaining the public square process and community building. These two people were tasked with finding engaged citizens from all six of the communities and representing the four sectors of the public square. Terry spoke to that group of 16 people a month later. They were interested, but not ready to commit. More people needed to hear about the process. Finally after the 3rd meeting with Terry in March 2007, a steering committee was formed and charged with raising the seed money. Without going into a lot of history of Elk County, finding engaged citizens who were not the "same old guard" from all of the communities was a challenge.
So Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks you must surely have known all of the "Old Guard" in order to keep them out of your organization. Were these the bad people of Elk County? If not, why couldn't you have had a more positive attitude towards their years of experience, organizing the county and used it constructively? Or is the positive attitude only for people, not within you personal circle? Or is Elk Konnected, LLC actually the "Old Guard" simply in a new dress?
While Elk County only has 5 incorporated towns, it was decided from the beginning to include Severy which resides in Greenwood County in the Elk Konnected community. Severy is part of the West Elk school district, which encompasses most of Elk County.
There is no incorporated Elk Konnected, LLC, is there?
Doesn't being incorporated have stronger connotations then LLC?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC imaginary committee have some sort of power over and above the actual/real communities Governments?
The nine member steering committee set off to raise the $3000 seed money - $50 at a time.
Wait a minute didn't we discuss and clear this up at the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting? Wasn't it agreed upon that Public Squares Communities received a check for $3000. 00 Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money from the Kansas Department of Commerce actually called a Student Scholarship?
We felt this amount was not going to break an individual and would encourage us to talk about "Elk Konnected" with more citizens. We spent time at a steering committee meeting discussing who would contact whom. And WE DID IT! We had 74 investors and raised $4250 by the end of July. To get a gauge of where our communities really were, we started interviewing "Konnected" people.
And you are still out begging right?
Who were these Konnected People? We keep hearing about people, but none have names, how is that? Are people only numbers to Elk Konnected, LLC?
Terry interviewed each steering committee members, who also filled out a "20 Clues Survey" (Community survey). Then each Steering Committee member proceeded to interview four people, each one representing a different sector of the public square. Meanwhile, Terry was interviewing people the Steering Committee had identified or other interviewees had named. By the end of the survey period, we had conducted 58 interviews with engaged citizens representing the public square. We had also collected 140 community surveys. We were ready for our first community conversation.
Why is it the majority of the citizens of Elk County never saw or heard of these surveys until this letter was written?
With a goal of having a successful first Community Conversation, the Steering Committee members each asked 10-15 people whom we thought would not attend otherwise, we distributed notices at the churches, and advertised in the local newspaper and cable channel. Elk Konnected's first community conversation was held at Longton - Elk Valley school's multi purpose room on October 26, 2007 with over 126 people in attendance. At the conversation, we looked at our top asset as identified by the "20 Clues Survey and identified ways to strengthen our weakest areas based on the survey information. We also identified examples of citizen engagement and looked for ways to build upon them throughout the entire area. At the end, people were asked to nominate one person from each of the public square sector who crossed over -"konnected" with – another sector. These names were then used to create our Vision Retreat attendees.
We quickly got to work by asking vision retreat nominees to go to the state-wide Public Square conference and six were able to attend.
Did any ot these people on the vision retreat return with any great visions? What visions did they have?
What was implemented from those visions? Or is a visionary retreat just somewhere to go to have a hi-ball?
Our next step was planning the Vision Retreat, which we scheduled for Jan 9, 2008 at Flint Oaks. We asked those nominated to attend and 51 showed up for a day long retreat on the future of Elk Konnected. Utilizing the information from the Community Conversation, surveys and interviews, this motivated group created a mission statement, and formed five action teams, and identified 2 co-conveners and members for each action team.
With the mission statement of "Strong Families, Solid Education, Superior Lifestyle – Stay with us as we grow", the following action teams went to work. Their primary charge is listed below:
• Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
(failed)
• Community Standards: establish standards in each community
(Where are they, what are they?)
• Communication: establish a community-wide publication of all activities and events to patrons
Does this mean only your own personal circle?
Or will you ever return to this thread to an open an honest dialog with Elk County?
• Physical Image: organize a community appreciation day to clean up our physical image including business, city/county government, civic groups, school working together for each community and in turn so that each community helps other communities
The communities already had their own way of doing this didn't they?
And you failed at this one with the West Elk School and Howard Citizens didn't you? Sounds like far too many negatives for a community organization that wants everyone else to be positive.
• Youth Development: establish a coordinated program in the Elk Konnected community
It appears to me that Elk Konnected has exploited the children of Elk County far long enough, Do you ever plan to stop doing this? Always saying for the kids? When really it is for Elk Konnected, LLC to advertise it's self, will it ever stop? Whenever Elk County Government has a Summer Day Camp you put your name on it with a large logo and the County gets a little line. Do you really feel that is proper when the County foots the bill to acquire the funds and provides the employee to run it? Just how does Elk Konnected, LLC sponsor the Summer day Camps? They don't do they?
Who and where are members, of this imaginary friend of yours called Elk Konnected Community?
So really who or what is really causing any conflict between communities, how about considering letters like this that pit's garbage that is a communities responsibility and a non-profit organization having a fund raiser (Beggar-Thy-Neighbor and sister of sorts to this Elk Konnected, LLC) serving steaks. The only correlation I can find is one generates sht and the other gets rid of the sht based on their City Council.I'd like to suggest that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner concentrate on working for all County Citterns. Here is a great and positive attitude suggestion. Bring our county very expensive web site into the 21st Century. Publicize, public information on the expensive web site and accomplish something tangible for the citizens of Elk County. Stream County Commissioners meetings for the handicapped and all others, that can not make it to the meetings for some reason. Or is getting your name publicized in the paper your goal, does that make you feel important?
And now planning to open a Day Care Center with Beggar-Thy-Neighbor monies and supplies? I beg what are you Elk Konnected, LLC a business or a community organizer? [/color]
Elk Konnected, LLC you don't really want independent thinkers in County Commissioners jobs do you? And again, good folks of Elk County is this the kind of County Commissioner you want?
I think you can do a lot better:
Think
Hebb, Vote
Hebb It would in my personal opinion be a very
POSITIVE CHANGE for
Elk County. In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Borrowed words, but they all came from the same dictionary and slightly rearranged! LOLSimply my personal observations, opinions and questions?
What no responses, no answers, no disputing anything in the previous two posts?
Well let's try one mor letter, shall we?
My words, questions and opinions are in blue so as to keep the recognition between me and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Letter to Elk konnected, LLC. I hope!Really Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks what is Elk Konnected, LLC really?
Is it a business or a community organization of some sort?
Or is it just a Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money machine involved in County Government?
Answers please?
Liz Hendricks
By l I Z H E N D R I C K S
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
By putting a fun twist on our
county abbreviation (EK), you
told me you were focused
on people, not boundaries.
Dear citizens of Elk Konnected: Who ever that is?
Congrats! You have done it! You have
achieved accreditation as a Public Square Community
after four years of using this process to
build hope for your community.
Don't you mean Congrats Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks after all aren't you the founding member and now President of Public Squares Community, INC? Do you still claim you and four family do not financially benefit from Elk Konnected?
I can see there is no conceit in your family, you seem to have it all. Praising yourself in a letter to your self.
Just what does accredation at Public Squares Communities,INC mean? Does it mean, you simply suckered our taxpayers out of enough money, to pay sucker fees to Public Squares Communities, INC to join the club of 20 other suckers that did the same thing?
I don't see no beef in that hamburger? So what are the congrats really for? Is it for suckering the citizens of Elk County with twisted words such as in this letter and the previous letters?
Your work has
been amazing, yet difficult. To me, your results
are incredible. And it appears the review team
from other communities agreed with me, or
they wouldn't have given you the "Good-Housekeeping
stamp of approval."
You started very small, with precision. You
were deliberate in who you asked to the first
three exploratory meetings in the spring of 2007.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks don't you mean you and Public Squares Communities, INC where you were a staff member before becoming President of the organization were very deliberate in who you asked? The truth please?
You dreamed of engaging citizens from four
sectors (Business, Government, Education, &
Human Services) in all six of our communities.
That was huge! The very thought of linking six
communities anywhere in a common purpose
seems, to most people, impossible!
Don't you mean you dreamed of making money for your employer and becoming some kind of big shot?
When Elk Konnected started, the climate
in your communities was pretty dismal, and
anything but connected.
What a fine way to diss everyone in the county. Are you sure that what you have said here is what you meant? It really sounds like you are the only good person in Elk County, IMHO!
I had only lived here for two years when you started this fiasco.
I found all the communities perfectly connected by roads and highways.
And I believe that is not the only way they were connected. They had telephones and internet and this forum. What more do they need? Do they need a County Commissioner screwing everything up with twisting words to her own needs? Do they need a County Commissioner that tells the world that every community in Elk County sucks?
The six towns were
competing against each other, still harboring
old battle wounds from lost county seat wars
and lost school consolidation battles. Painful
memories fed the fear that if one town wins, all
the others lose.
Really! What crap! Who living today was around in the late 1800 when the county seat was stolen?
Your kids went to various school
districts–West Elk, Elk Valley, Central-Burden,
Fredonia, Bluestem, or Eureka–and those school
rivalries were, and still are, fierce!
There are lots of different school districts across our great country, so what is your real point?
Rivalry between schools has been around a very long time?
What do you want church schools and no rivalry sporting events?
Do you want to discontinue football, basketball, baseball?
I don't think so because you were the Head Volleyball Coach at West Elk, so this is just so much Bull, right?
In short, you were not working together.
Education was a community within itself. Business
was struggling, fighting against city and
county units of government. Government was
on its own course.
In short they were not working the way you wanted them to work. But they have worked fine for over 100 years. They are intended to be seperate. But then Konnected Kounty Kommissioner if County Government was/is the problem and you hold that position, therefore you are saying you are the problem, right? Just think about it! Don't you simply want to consolidate everything for the purpose of power and cotrol?
And human services–be they
volunteer groups, health care or churches–were
struggling to hang on while trying through
various civic channels to keep things positive.
What exactly is positive about this letter?
This letter reads to me as a complete cut down of our neat little county?
Do I hear an apology from you? Will you remove this letter from the internet. I think it sure makes Elk County look like a mighty bad place to live. And this is your problem to solve, how? Please tell us how?
All this negativity spilling out of this letter you wrote is really depressing. How do you intend to fix this letter?
Starting a Wellness Center on Beggar-Thy-Neighbor money and then failing at running it didn't help?
Is starting a Daycare Center on Beggar-Thy-Neighbor and appliances, toys and dress up clothes gonna do it? How long will it take before the business fails?
So you tried to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong for the benefit of your privately owned business and what have you accomplished during these very stressful times for everyone in our nation? Nothng, absolutely nothing, right?[/b]
You realized that getting six towns working
together would be tough. So you utilized a thirdparty
facilitator–Terry Woodbury from Public
Square Communities LLC–to direct the process
and invite all citizens to engage. No county
commissioner or mayor or educator or minister
would have been neutral enough to do that.
There was absolutely nothing neutral about any of what you have attempted, nothing – that is my humble opinion.
Then, instead of focusing on your problems,
you built on your assets. Like using Elk Valley
school's successful Community Day to craft a
service-learning day for the West Elk school.
You failed at that as well didn't you?
All this bragging on yourself to yourself is all it is isn't it?
Or on linking the Physical Image action team's cleanup,
fix-up efforts to the annual festivals in all
six towns.
Don't you mean your failed attempt to link your personal organization to the annual festivals in all six towns failed as well didn't it?
What are you going to try to shanghi next?
Or tapping our many caring adults
to guide the Youth Development Action Team
(YDAT) in reaching out to all ages of young
people in all towns.
Who are they, where are they?
Don't you really mean using a county employee to work for Elk Konnected, LLC and the taxpayers pay her wage?
Every Saturday in April, I saw adult volunteers
helping 4-year-olds learn to play soccer.
Whoopie, more jobs and better pay for everyone?
Oops, I meant let's exploit the children every chance we get, isn't that right?
Who were these adults, were they the parents of the children?
So, is it volunteering when you go out to a play area and play with your own child?
And don't forget the paid County Employee in the picture.
Does she really have a choice to work for youin Elk Konnected, LLC?
I mean weren't you instrumental inmaking her positionon the county payroll?
And weren't you instrumental in hiring her?
And aren't you her boss as a county employee?
So, really what choice does she have but to work for you in Elk Konnected, LLC?
How long would she keep her job ifshe chose to leave Elk Konnected, LLC? Just asking?
Really?
For six weeks this summer, our teens will step
up to help Elk County's Youth Coordinator
provide activities for 2nd through 6th graders,
again rotating through all six towns.
Wait a minute wasn't that called the Elk County Summer Day Camp and put on by the Elk County Employee known as the Youth Development Employee? Weren't the kids that helped, paid in the neighborhood of $9 an hour? Oh, what tales we tell Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks that even beats some of the whoppers I hear while in the service. Good job!
Where are your accomplishments Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks?
With all the confusion with all the hats you wear I can understand the confusion in writing the letter?
Do we need this type of confusion running our County Government?
Do we still need a County Commissioner in office that can be this confused?
Do we need a County Commissioner that by virtue of this letter has basically put down every community and every citizen of Elk County?
Voter's give it some thought and November will tell us what you believe Elk County Deserves?
I didn't read anything about Elk Konnected, LLC in the paper this week, did I miss something?
After all they use to be in the paper every week, I hope all is well with them?
Where are the morals, the principles, the ethics, the openess and honesty?
Where is it hidden? Please help me find it?[/color]
Think
Hebb Doesn't Elk County deserve better
I never expected something like this to happen!
It always seemed to happen to someone else!
More on this down the post aways.
Because, I'm going to start out here on a bit of a negative tone.
It's about all the negative tones in Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks letters in my last few posts?
I find her remarks extremely vile, disrespectful and demeaning, about the great communities and the even greater people in Elk County!
Not connected my ASS! Yes, I can be vile too!
I would ask, that in the position of Elk County Commissioner that you remopve those letters for open viewing on the internet and above all write and publish an apology to every citizen of Elk County.
I now qualify for "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Neighborhood Revitalization Program?
Will I apply?
Hell NO!
Am I an old fool with old values, you bet!
The property tax is set up for several reasons and I believe every land owner in the County should pay their fair share.
Stop the scam on taxpayers.
I on this occassion have had to utilize one of the benefits of paying my fair share of taxes.
And I thank each and everyone of the true volunteers of Elk County that are supported with equipment provided with my tax dollars.
Thanks for getting out of bed, thanks for staying so long, thanks for being so polite, thanks for being you the great citizens of Elk County.
"Here is The Story"
Well at midnight fourty five this morning I was awakened by this big guy banging on my door. Or at leas I think he was big, I was still half a sleep. The big guy calmly and politely asked if I knew my barn was on fire. I thought I was dreaming or something. He politely said the fire dept had already been called. I got my pants on and walked out on the porch and sure enough it was on fire and apparently had just started. But boy, did it spread fast through the barn and the hay and the straw. My beautiful tack room with saddles and blankets my beautiful horse stalls all of it gone. But that is okay.
It is all insured and nobody was hurt, so all is well.
I will have a mess to clean up and a new barn to build in due time,
It's 3 am and some of the fire fighters are still here watching the smoldering.
The good stuff.
I had volunteer fighters from Grenola come up and talk with me.
I had volunteer fighters from Moline come up and talk with me.
I had volunteer fighters from Elk Falls come up and talk with me.
I had volunteer fighters from Longton come up and talk with me.
I had volunteer fighters from Howard come up and talk with me.
All offering kind words.
And I thank each and every one of them for doing so.
This county has great spirit, great kindness.
Not
connected Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, you are full of it and owe each and every community an appology.
Are you a big enough person to write that apology and post it here on the forum and print it in the newspaper that your organization so proudly uses? Are you?
I agree with the fact that the County is not "KONNECTED" and there is no reason for them to be so, just because you say it.
Your little organization, has had many failures, are you going to add to them by failing to write that apology and post it here on the forum and print it in the newspaper that your organization so proudly uses? Are you?
Folks it really is time for some change in the neat little county please remember that in November.
Vote for HEBB!
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No, I don't live in your district but I do live in your county.
But I do believe it is time to vote Elk Konnected Kounty kommissioner Hendricks out of office for a better Elk County.
I think that bb in Hebb must stand for Better and Best for Elk County.
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No, I don't have Hebb's consent to drop his name, but I hope is is okay with it.
It's 3:50 am and the last of the VOLUNTEER Fire Fioghters are just now leaving.
I'm sorry to say I could not stay out there with them, but I just had total knee replacement a week ago, and my time on my feet is limited. Thanks again to each and every firefighter from each of our great communities. You are the best.
Mr. Ross,
So very sorry to hear about the loss of your barn. Yes, the insurance will cover the loss, but the attachment your surely had for your saddles and tack can't be replaced, plus a new supply of hay for the winter will be difficult to come by. You do seem to be the type of person who will take this all in stride and presevere.
As a Thank you, I have set up free coffee for the fire fighters at the Q-Mart in Moline.
When I get time I will do the same for Howard and Longton.
I don't know if there is anywhere in Grenola or Elk Fallls where I can do so.
Any suggestions appreciated.
Right, now I have to head for Bartlesville to see my wife in the hospital.
She has prioroty over anything else.
I want to wish all you good Elk County Folks a great Labor Day Weekend.
Quote from: ddurbin on September 01, 2012, 08:47:24 AM
Mr. Ross,
So very sorry to hear about the loss of your barn. Yes, the insurance will cover the loss, but the attachment your surely had for your saddles and tack can't be replaced, plus a new supply of hay for the winter will be difficult to come by. You do seem to be the type of person who will take this all in stride and presevere.
Thank you Mr. Durbin.
I feel very badly about your barn too. Sure glad you were insured! You didn't say, but I assume you didn't lose any animals.
The coffee idea is great, but a written thank you with a small donation to each fire company who came would be nice also. It would never be expected, but with fuel prices so high now, it would be appreciated I'm sure. Do you know yet what happened? Electrical? Did they draft from your pond? or set up a tanker rely for water? All good firefighters want to know!
We're used to being up all night when there is a job to be done and can live on adrenalin for days! Love 'em all.
I'm sorry your wife is in the hospital. You have a lot on your plate right now. Prayers for you all.
By the way, does replacing an existing building even qualify for that program? If it already existed it wouldn't contribute to an eventual increase in taxes would it? Just wonderin'.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2012, 02:17:37 PM
I feel very badly about your barn too. Sure glad you were insured! You didn't say, but I assume you didn't lose any animals.
Stuff the sorry. Why? Because you follow up with a bunch of garbage. I was not looking for sympathy. Thank you. It only makes sense that I did not lose any animals because I didn't say I had.
The whole point was I am now eligible for the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program that the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want to make available for those seeking welfare. That was the point. And no I will not participate in welfare, I have old time ethics and pride. Something that some of those that have far more money then I do lack and will accept welfare at the expense of their neighbor. Do you get it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2012, 02:17:37 PM
The coffee idea is great, but a written thank you with a small donation to each fire company who came would be nice also. It would never be expected, but with fuel prices so high now, it would be appreciated I'm sure.
You are really getting irritating way out there in Delaware.
Did you even read what is in the various post?
I stated, the reason I have no problem paying my fair share of property tax because that money goes to support the volunteer firemen's equipment and I do believe that includes gasoline. However, since you want to be so free with my money without any idea about my finance's, may I suggest that you provide each with a donations. Isn't that the thinking of all you folks that belong to some organization think, someone else's money, no matter what?
The thank you is for the volunteers themselves, do you understand. The volunteers don't get paid, they don't get County money. The organization is funded. So just sit on it!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2012, 02:17:37 PM
By the way, does replacing an existing building even qualify for that program?
With all that education you have I would think you could read the program an decipher that answer for yourself. If this redneck hick can, he figures you can to?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 01, 2012, 02:17:37 PM
If it already existed it wouldn't contribute to an eventual increase in taxes would it? Just wonderin'.
Are you really educated? You said it already existed, well guess what?
It no longer exist, lowering my tax base! Duh!
A new barn would then increase my tax base, pretty simple, huh?
But this is not about me, it's about Elk KonnectedKounty Kommissioners, "Beggar-
Thy-Neighbor" "Welfare" program for those theat need financial help the least.
It's about making improvements in Elk County by voting out Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their Welfare Programs and especially one that put's the county down with her organization.
I did mention that all these communities came together and worked as a team!
Something Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said in her prideful letter to her, first hand knowledge self doesn't happen and that is why she started the organization. She owes the whole county an apology IMHO! But I doubt that she has the integrity to deliver it.
Please stay focused on the real subject.
Thank You.
Oh, I found a business card for Mr. Wunderlich of my voting district that states he is running a write in against Commissioner Liebau.
I'm really glad to hear that. Mr. Wunderlich has been attending durn near every County Commissioners meeting for a very long time. He is already aware of their procedures and what has transpired over time. I do believe with that experienc he is ready to go. By that I mean, no learning curve required and first hand knowledge on how not to run the County Government.
If we can get everyone behind him the incumbent will fall this time.
Let's also keep Mr. Hebb in mind.
If we can get these two elected i think we will end up with three free thinkers on the County government.
A giant win for Elk County.
Hate to hear that your barn was destroyed by fire. Glad no one was hurt and impressed with the fire fighters for keeping it contained.
Hey Ross..I only brought up that "program" because you did. I'm really sorry if my timing was bad. I still don't quite understand how it supposed to work. Sympathy...for you? It never crossed my mind.
Do you really need to act like such a jerk? How does that help make things better? I'll assume it's just because you've had tough days recently and you know you can get away with it.
As far as the donations to the fire companies...I'll take that smart remark and raise ya $20.00. I'll be sure and tell them how nasty you are to me, a 43 year fire service volunteer, and that you don't think they could use a penny more. :angel:
As for us, I'm just finishing up our fall fire company fund drive. The donations we get back, to run the organization, are all voluntary, other people's money or not, they do not have to donate. We have no fire tax. Apparently you all do. Excuse me for not knowing that.
We go when and where we are needed, regardless. Hope things get better for you soon.
I'd say the week ross has had qualifies to be a bad week. So he's in a irritable mood. I would be too. Specially when you've lost your winter hay supply. That is enough to bring a man to his knees right now as no one is letting go of hay.
He's got some tough times ahead of him too.
Whether or not he thinks he can get away with it isn't even a consideration. I would say it is normal and to be expected. Keep on keeping on ross. D
Thanks Srkruzich but I am still maintaining my sense of humor with life.
I laugh at myself daily.
But Diane chimed in to tell me i wasn't doing enough for those that came to put out the fire.
It seems that she is brained washed by the Organization Think.
Where as I believe in the individual person. Without individuals you have no organization.
And usually there are a few that sit at the top doing nothing nothing but drawing paychecks telling every volunteer what a good job they are doing, so those at the top[ can continue drawing big paychecks. Some just can't see beyound their hornrimmed glasses.
And then Diane questions me about the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Welfare Programs as if she lacks the ability to read the program.
It just get's irritating talking to a highly educated person that fails to use said education.
She doesn't seem to understand the use of property taxes for county services, bought and paid for. The volunteers are unpaid and to give money to the organization or government does not get anything to the volunteers. It is just that simple.
The various systems betweent here and Delware can be as different as day and night and if this educated person wants to be involved in our local politics, she should be able to comprehend that she needs to learn our system. And comparing her high popu;lated county to our sprsely populated county is totally wrong. We are very unique for that reason.
She has 43 year fire service volunteer, whoopie? Does that make her Queen of the Firefighters. And now she threatens to tell on me. I wish she could just focus on the subject and grow up a little bit/.
The subject of this thread is Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and if all that is the "Old Guard" along with the possibility of starting programs to benefit their relatives, friends, cronies, etc.
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Borrowed words, but they all came from the same dictionary and slightly rearranged! LOL
Simply my personal observations, opinions and questions?
I sure hope everyone is having a great labor day weekend.
I am, I just brought my wife home from the hospital.
I am amazingly happy,
Quote from: Janet Harrington on September 02, 2012, 11:24:09 AM
Hate to hear that your barn was destroyed by fire. Glad no one was hurt and impressed with the fire fighters for keeping it contained.
Thanks Janet.I sure am glad they worked so well as a team. As dry as everything is it could have been terrible to get out of hand.
I have had a terific day today. I got to bring my honey home from the hospital early. Talk about feeling like a little kid at a surprise birthday party, that was me.
Back on topic , I sure hope Elk County Citizens vote for a far better County Government and dismiss Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. That would be like an early Christmas present for the county.
Thanks again for the nice words Janet.
I wish to thank each and eryone out there that have offered wordso fo kindness
and with help with replacement of the hay I lost. Each and every Private message
is very appreciated,
The haay I lost in the barn was not but a small amount of my winter hay,
so I am pretty certain i will be okay.
I am very proud to live in Elk County among so many kind people.
Thanks Again.
Ross
Ross, ya do know I read these don't you? My comments about your situation were very sincere and I don't know why verbally beating up on me would be considered "normal'. It doesn't make what happened better. As far as suggesting a donation, it was just a suggestion, not a mandate .I never said you weren't doing enough and that's very rude of you to suggest such a thing. You, yourself, asked for suggestions and I just gave one. EXCUSE ME!!!!! You were welcome to disregard it without blowing your top.
I'm not sure where you get the idea some paid person getting big bucks is telling the volunteers what to do.
As far as my status..what do you care? Yes, I am a queen bee here, so what. If ya don't say things ya shouldn't, you wouldn't have to worry about being "told on" now would ya? ;D ;D ;D As far as that program you think I'm so stupid about...Well, let's just say that's your opinion.You brought it up yourself and stuck you nose up in the air. That is certainly your privilege, but why criticize those who would take advantage of it? Isn't that their business? I still wonder if a replacement structure would count but I'm sure you would know better than I. Under the circumstances,if you have to have a whipping person to make things better for you, help yourself. My comments were very sincere and not meant to hurt in any way. That wasn't lost on several people. I'll not say any more on this.
Diane dont take what ROSS says to hearthe does'nt know .better is just a nasty man at heart I have been around him alittle in public and couple times one on one . He going to try to figure out who I am and when we met. good luck with that ROSS
And now about that Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks that had all that nasty stuff to say about Elk County communities and citizens in order to have an excuse to start her privately owned company Elk konnected, INC. When will she gain the integrity to issue an apology to Elk County for those public letters to her self? She endorsed both using her title as Elk County Comissioner which in my opinion does a great dishonor to that public office.
Do we really need such a County Commissioner?
Do we need a county commissioner that uses her position for personal gain?
Didn't she dream up Elk Konnected, INC for her boss at Public Squares Communities, LLC?
She said her family did not benefit directly from Elk Konnected, INC while tha may be true didn't they benefit indirectly?
Didn't Public Squares Communities, LLC pay her a wage to start up these little organizations?
Isn't she now the President of Public Squares Communities, LLC with probably a much better income from it?
Where does that pay check come from? Is it the tax dollars of the communities they start in?
What has Elk Konnected, LLC done in Ellk County successfully besides beg for money and goods?
They failed at commandeering the County web site, thanks to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebaus Aunt?
She is one sharp lady and apparently has lots of ethics, which I respect.
They failed at running a Wellness Center which was started and run on beggar money!
By the way what happened to all that profit from the sale f the Wellness Center?
After all wasn't every dime they sold it for pure profit?
So why are they reduced to begging again?
Konnected Kommissioner Hendricks isn't it time for another Kommunity Konversation (which really isn't a community conversation) or you will loose Elk Konnected, INC's little accredation with Public Squares Communities and their little club of peer group pressure?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks when are you going to need more taxpayer dollars to pay Public Squares Communities their fees in order to maintain membership? Will you and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau both vote to give taxpayer dollars to your organization Elk Konnected again?
Oh how nasty of me to ask the honest questions and expect some honest answers from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Remember we have great alternatives Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich.
Lets vote them in and take control of our county back from Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and from what appears to be a "Good old Boys Club" or in Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks words " The Old Guard". Lets get some free thinkers in office that are proud of Elk County.
'No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world, is as formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.'
- Ronald Reagan
'Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases:
If it moves, tax it.
If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving,
Subsidize it'
- Ronald Reagan
'The nearest thing to eternal
Life we will ever see on
This earth is a
Government program.'
- Ronald Reagan
And if this Beggar=Thy=Neighbor program called Neighborhood Revitalization gets started it will never end, regardless of the date put on it. All they have to do is vote to extend the date.
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.'
-Ronald Reagan
'The most terrifying words
In the English language are:
I'm from the government
And I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want you to believe they are going to grow the economy and the population of the county with the Neighborhood Revitalization but they can not prove it.
"Socialism only works
...
In two places:
Heaven where they don't
Need it and hell where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan
Ross, where is your proof that Elk Konnected is a corporation (Inc.) and not still a LLC as it has been since its inception, and was still on 5/17 of this year, the date of their last annual report to the state?
Public Square Communities did change their structure to corporation this year, but that doesn't mean the communities that they work with are now corporations.
Quote from: oldfart on September 03, 2012, 01:08:10 PM
Diane dont take what ROSS says to hearthe does'nt know .better is just a nasty man at heart I have been around him alittle in public and couple times one on one . He going to try to figure out who I am and when we met. good luck with that ROSS
You must know another Ross then, the ross in here i know personally and hes not a nasty man at heart at all. In fact, hes a upstanding fella that gives a rats ass about his fellow man!
Quote from: flintauqua on September 03, 2012, 07:33:23 PM
Ross, where is your proof that Elk Konnected is a corporation (Inc.) and not still a LLC as it has been since its inception, and was still on 5/17 of this year, the date of their last annual report to the state?
Public Square Communities did change their structure to corporation this year, but that doesn't mean the communities that they work with are now corporations.
I went back and double checked and I got it wrong. It was Public Squares Communities, INC.
But it got your attention didn't it. And you had to ask for proof! Wow! Just an honest mistake! Touchie aren't we!
Sorry to upset you!
But what's the big deal?
We still need to replace the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich who are free thinkers and think for themselves instead of for a privately owned company in my opinion.
I do believe it would be a great improvement for the Quality of life in Elk County.
And I do believe we would see a great deal more moral and ethical and honest governing of our county. that's my opinion!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Ross on September 03, 2012, 08:31:23 PM
I went back and double checked and I got it wrong. It was Public Squares Communities, INC.
But it got your attention didn't it. And you had to ask for proof! Wow! Just an honest mistake! Touchie aren't we!
Sorry to upset you!
But what's the big deal?
It is a big deal Ross. When you make an assumption and then post it here, you think if no one questions it then its right. Just because I or someone else doesn't call BS on your posts by refuting them does not make them correct. I catch the ones I can. I'd have to be on here 24/7 to catch all of the things you pull out of your hat and throw on here as truth.
Here's one for you. You keep insisting that County Commissioner Hendricks is profitting from her work with and for Elk Konnected and Public Square Communities.
Do you have any proof of this?
I know of several for profit LLC's and corporations in and around Elk County that have officers and directors that receive absolutely no compensation for the work they do, not even per diem or reimbursement for what are at times large out of pocket expenses.
So why do you assume and repeatedly try to make everyone believe that Mrs. Hendricks is reaping a windfall from her activities?
Quote from: flintauqua on September 03, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
It is a big deal Ross. When you make an assumption and then post it here, you think if no one questions it then its right. Just because I or someone else doesn't call BS on your posts by refuting them does not make them correct. I catch the ones I can. I'd have to be on here 24/7 to catch all of the things you pull out of your hat and throw on here as truth.
Here's one for you. You keep insisting that County Commissioner Hendricks is profitting from her work with and for Elk Konnected and Public Square Communities.
Do you have any proof of this?
I know of several for profit LLC's and corporations in and around Elk County that have officers and directors that receive absolutely no compensation for the work they do, not even per diem or reimbursement for what are at times large out of pocket expenses.
So why do you assume and repeatedly try to make everyone believe that Mrs. Hendricks is reaping a windfall from her activities?
Maybe because LLC's make a profit. :) and from what i understand they wont' prove they dont' as they can hide behind the LLC laws.
Quote from: flintauqua on September 03, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
It is a big deal Ross. When you make an assumption and then post it here, you think if no one questions it then its right. Just because I or someone else doesn't call BS on your posts by refuting them does not make them correct. I catch the ones I can. I'd have to be on here 24/7 to catch all of the things you pull out of your hat and throw on here as truth.
Here's one for you. You keep insisting that County Commissioner Hendricks is profitting from her work with and for Elk Konnected and Public Square Communities.
Do you have any proof of this?
I know of several for profit LLC's and corporations in and around Elk County that have officers and directors that receive absolutely no compensation for the work they do, not even per diem or reimbursement for what are at times large out of pocket expenses.
So why do you assume and repeatedly try to make everyone believe that Mrs. Hendricks is reaping a windfall from her activities?
I have never meet an ambitious person that worked for free, that would just be amazing, out of this world amazing?
You mean to tell me she does all the driving, with the price of gas what it is for free?
You mean to tell me she does all that work for free?
You mean to tell me she quit working for the school District before the end of the school year and gave up that pay check to work for free somewhere else?
Without even a thank you from the school board for her services?
And you expect all the fools in elk County to believe that?
A simple error is no big deal!
And if what I have asked was exagerated in any way, all you Followers would have been all over it.
Just like with the backhanded death threat and the possibility of a lawsuit threatened against me?
So do yu believe anyone is going to believe a follower with comments such as put in this post of yours?
Good luck with that!
Quote from: flintauqua on September 03, 2012, 09:13:52 PM
I know of several for profit LLC's and corporations in and around Elk County that have officers and directors that receive absolutely no compensation for the work they do, not even per diem or reimbursement for what are at times large out of pocket expenses.
Where is the proof?But just remember in November for a far better Elk County Government we have two great options,
two upstanding citizens of Elk County. And freethinkers. Meaning they don't have a small group telling them what to do or how to vote.
Outstandin don't you think?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Ross, most of the vounteers in this country are the ambitious people. The lazy non-ambitious people don't volunteer. You don't have a clue what the people in Elk County are like. Liz and Ken's families are old time ranching families and help anyone in anyway they can. Liz's family have been big landowners and ranchers for probably a 100+ years and the Perkins family have always volunteered to help, they were 4H sponsors, schoolboard members, big workers in the Fair association. I don't think very many people believe all of the crap you put out here repeatedly. You have taken a fun forum and made it your personal grandstand and ruined it for everyone else. Your payback is coming.
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 04, 2012, 07:40:12 AM
Ross, most of the vounteers in this country are the ambitious people. The lazy non-ambitious people don't volunteer. You don't have a clue what the people in Elk County are like. Liz and Ken's families are old time ranching families and help anyone in anyway they can. Liz's family have been big landowners and ranchers for probably a 100+ years and the Perkins family have always volunteered to help, they were 4H sponsors, schoolboard members, big workers in the Fair association. I don't think very many people believe all of the crap you put out here repeatedly. You have taken a fun forum and made it your personal grandstand and ruined it for everyone else. Your payback is coming.
!00+ years, I am so impressed --- but it has absolutely nothing to do with todays politics, now does it.
I alone have been a land owner fo eight years and I find that more impressive. I worked hard to earn the money to buy my land and it was not given to me as in inherited? And again them that were there 100+ years ago are not here today, are they?
And I suppose
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
aren't up to their standard, is that what you are indicating?
You sing your praises and I'll sing mine, okay?
We have all heard of paid volunteer's, just google it.
I am not really concerned with what you believe that other people believe. But apparently it concerns you enough to mention it.
I ask people to thinkk for themselves and in fact I ask them not to believe anything I post, and you on the other hand expect them to believe anything you say. I mostly ask questions and occassionally express my opinion. As is everyone else.
And what do you as a follower do, offer up yet another threat:
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 04, 2012, 07:40:12 AM
Your payback is coming.
How are you going to pay me back?
Is that the Elk Konnected way?
Are people in Elk County suppose to fear you?
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 04, 2012, 07:40:12 AM
You have taken a fun forum and made it your personal grandstand and ruined it for everyone else.
This is but one thread of the forum and it is here listed as politics and because you disagree with me does not mean it is not fun.
If you are looking for cartoons try another thread.
I'm tickled that you find me so important to call it grandstanding Especially since I am an unedumacated redneck hick with no college degree. Thank you so much. I have never thought of myself or opinions of being so important. Thank you for making me feel important, but I promise not to let it go to my head. I am just a lowly taxpayer wanting what is best for this beautiful Elk County where I live.
You have a great day and I hope you get a little of that rain coming our way.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Thought I better link this over here, wouldn't want anyone to miss it over in its own thread:
Top 10 reasons to write-in Ross for County Commissioner
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14297.0.html
Quote from: flintauqua on September 04, 2012, 01:04:44 PM
Thought I better link this over here, wouldn't want anyone to miss it over in its own thread:
Top 10 reasons to write-in Ross for County Commissioner
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14297.0.html
Folks please don't miss reading this thread. http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14297.0.html
It totally proves the reason for this thread.
It proves we need new county commissioners in office to free
Elk County from the grips of whatever has hold of the county.
These people are getting scared of losing control that's why the nastiness and uglyness.
But I forgive them for all of that.
I have faith in you citizens to think for your selves and do the right thing for Elk County to keep it a fine county to live in.
I don't believe you could find wto finer people that are free thinkers and not able to be controlled then
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Write-In ROSS for County Commissioner
Quote from: Ross on September 04, 2012, 02:50:46 PM
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Is this better?
Flintauqua is that a six shooter you keep shooting yourself in the foot with.
I sure hope not.
Trying to quote me with large bold faced letters makes you a boldfaced (pun intended)
liar. All one has to do is click on the tag at the top of the quote and see the real thing.
I'd strongly suggest you remove the lie and then I will gladly remove this post.
Thank you.
I would like to address the remarks made by Ross regarding Mrs. Hendricks resigning from her position as volleyball coach. Mrs. Hendricks resigned from this position at the end of the volleyball season. Her responsibilities with regards to this position were completed when the season ended. She did the responsible thing by notifying the district early in the year, so that they could advertise the position and employ someone for the following volleyball season. If she had waited until the end of the school year to notify the district of her resignation, the district would have been in a bind trying to find someone to fill that position before June when volleyball camp takes place. As far as the district thanking her for her service, how do you know that they didn't?
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 03:43:18 PM
I would like to address the remarks made by Ross regarding Mrs. Hendricks resigning from her position as volleyball coach. Mrs. Hendricks resigned from this position at the end of the volleyball season. Her responsibilities with regards to this position were completed when the season ended. She did the responsible thing by notifying the district early in the year, so that they could advertise the position and employ someone for the following volleyball season. If she had waited until the end of the school year to notify the district of her resignation, the district would have been in a bind trying to find someone to fill that position before June when volleyball camp takes place.
That question was asked long ago, what was so difficult in providing an honest answer back then. Thank you.
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 03:43:18 PM
As far as the district thanking her for her service, how do you know that they didn't?
I read the minutes of the meeting, nothing, no thank you what so ever.
Do they now work behind closed doors, do they refuse public acknowledgement?
What?
Well sir, I just recently joined the forum and from my first post you will read that I only pop in every so often. Therefore, I am only now reading this post of yours and only now feel compelled to reply. Mrs. Hendricks was not the only coach to resign from her coaching position last year, why not ask why they too did not receive a public thank you? Besides, I am not sure what exactly you expect of the board as far as a thank you.
Daisy ,thank you for the information. I thought it was end of season when Liz stopped coaching but I wasn't sure.
Just ignore Ross when he's being rude. I'm told he doesn't know any better. ;)
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Well sir, I just recently joined the forum and from my first post you will read that I only pop in every so often. Therefore, I am only now reading this post of yours and only now feel compelled to reply. Mrs. Hendricks was not the only coach to resign from her coaching position last year, why not ask why they too did not receive a public thank you? Besides, I am not sure what exactly you expect of the board as far as a thank you.
Well I don't really care to go into the school board on this thread. The subject of this thread is about Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and CElk County Government. But can you prove what you say? See that's why I ask so many questions, to gain knowledge. But I'd like truthful knowledge. Thanks.
And I believe we need better County Commissioners.
Ones that think for themselves and not for some small group of people.
I have strongly suggested and I stick by this suggestion:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 04:02:31 PM
Well sir, I just recently joined the forum and from my first post you will read that I only pop in every so often. Therefore, I am only now reading this post of yours and only now feel compelled to reply. Mrs. Hendricks was not the only coach to resign from her coaching position last year, why not ask why they too did not receive a public thank you? Besides, I am not sure what exactly you expect of the board as far as a thank you.
Well I don't really care to go into the school board on this thread. The subject of this thread is about Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and CElk County Government. But as you Followers ask, can you prove what you say? See that's why, I ask so many questions, to gain knowledge. But I'd like truthful knowledge. Thanks.
And I believe we need better County Commissioners.
Ones that think for themselves and not for some small group of people.
I have strongly suggested and I stick by this suggestion:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Oh, my word. Can Daisy "prove" what she said? Nothing like discouraging a new poster from joining in! Ross, what is there to prove? Liz did give up the coaching job. And since according to you, Liz IS EK, the subject is germane.
Speaking of touchy! Ross, yer cracking me up! :D
Daisy, please note he ducks anything he doesn't want to talk about, including the absent thank you that he brought up himself. In an obtuse way he suggested there was some funny business and wanted to know why she REALLY left. Real soap opera stuff.
OK, I've poked at him enough I think, to get even for his really disgusting comments to me recently when I was genuinely concerned for his family and himself. Yup, a real Elk County citizen!
Quote from: Ross on September 04, 2012, 04:23:14 PM
Well I don't really care to go into the school board on this thread.
Modus operandi for Ross. Someone questions something that Ross has assumed/asserted/insinuated in two very recent posts (and many more times in the past year plus) on this very thread and the person with the temerity to ask for his proof gets turned away with "I don't really care to go into the school board on this thread"?
Ross, you brought up the subject!
Quote from Diane:
Oh, my word. Can Daisy "prove" what she said? Nothing like discouraging a new poster from joining in! Ross, what is there to prove? Liz did give up the coaching job. And since according to you, Liz IS EK, the subject is germane.
Speaking of touchy! Ross, yer cracking me up!
Daisy, please note he ducks anything he doesn't want to talk about, including the absent thank you that he brought up himself. In an obtuse way he suggested there was some funny business and wanted to know why she REALLY left. Real soap opera stuff.
Once again Diane you are out there in LaLa land to the east and quite possible you don't know horse shit from apple butter when it comes to what might of happened here. It's also possible your---what was it---5-- Elk county cheerleaders, haven't been fully honest with you. Maybe they realize how fragile and thin skinned you are and trying to protect you from the truth. As for Ross being the mean ol bully with his disgusting comments---maybe if you had stayed off the political threads like you promised on several occasions--maybe, just maybe, you and ol Ross can kiss and make up but you gotta do your part and keep your word on them promises.
Quote from: flintauqua on September 04, 2012, 05:13:59 PM
Modus operandi for Ross. Someone questions something that Ross has assumed/asserted/insinuated in two very recent posts (and many more times in the past year plus) on this very thread and the person with the temerity to ask for his proof gets turned away with "I don't really care to go into the school board on this thread"?
Ross, you brought up the subject!
I brought up the subject the that Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school before the end of the year and that the school board did not even give her a thank you for her time in service. The subject being Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quiting. And as you Followers say no proof has been provided otherwise.
Let's try to keep the subject matter straight shall we?
QuoteThe subject being Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quiting. And as you Followers say no proof has been provided otherwise.
And yet she didn't quit...She acknowledged her duties to be finished and gave notice within the time frame of the schools policies.
I can quit, and still give plenty of time to allow my supervisor to fill my position without 'leaving them high and dry'.
I am not defending Ms Hendricks of any political practices, however it IS ethical within the school sytem to give notice midway in the school term to allow this.
As far as the thank you....most don't. She would have to be a key player to get that. They may have said that in her submitting it to her Board, of which when the met to accept it, it was then moot.
I don't know, and I will admit that.
ready........ to resign.
I'd really like to believe that Ready. About County Commissioner Hendricks.Truely I would.
But as the Elk Konnected Followers say, where is the proof.
You see Ready something else was being said across the county!
I dare not repeat it for the possibility of a slander law suit.
Because, I can not prove anything either.Therefore I will not spread the rumor.
But why did it take months to come forward with an unproven answer?
I'd just like to know the truth, as would the majority of the people, that I have talked with in Elk County.
There appear to be unanswered questions that perhaps may never be answered.
I just don't know and that's the truth.
So Ross, because I just recently joined this conversation my response to your question about Mrs. Hendricks coaching job is untrue?
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 07:19:44 PM
So Ross, because I just recently joined this conversation my response to your question about Mrs. Hendricks coaching job is untrue?
Whether you just joined the thread has no bearing on anything, IMHO!
I did not say that what you said is untrue. Not at all did I say that.
I asked just like the ELk Konnected Followers, "Where is the proof?"
Don't you believe the Elk Konnected Followers are correct in asking for the proof?
I absolutly meant no disrespect, just repeating the Followers?
I myself, am not aligned with anyone. I speak my own mind and speak only the facts as I know them.
So Ross, you say you are only doing what the followers are doing...correct? Then that in itself makes you a follower of some kind ...correct?
I am done for awhile. As I have said, I am very busy and rarely get on here. So until we meet again, so long.
Well how about a little tongue in cheek? Some fun twisting? Some make believe?
Disclaimer: Not real, responsible for fun thinking only. If you take it serious that's your responsibility.
Well ya see I've recently had a couple of rough weeks for a retired redneck old fart.
But some how, with the help of God I've survived to laugh and was able to laugh through it. I think that is the right attitude, even for being the poor man that I am. Yet, I feel rich in so many other ways, with great friends and neighbors.
It starts out with my being hospitalized for surgery and three days after I come home my wife has to be hospitalized, And as they say things seem to happen in threes.
So what happens next?
I'm sleeping like a log, I mean; I was sleeping so hard I awoke about 12:30 a.m. feeling like I had been working real hard for those two hours. I look at my watch and say, "go back to sleep fool. I lay my head down and my dog goes crazy barking, so I open my eyes to see a car driving up my drive way. I get out of bed and walk to the door, to hear a bang, bang, bang. I thought the door was going to come down. I open the door and this big guy in a very pleasant voice says, "Sir, do you know your barn is on fire, Don't worry though I've already called the fire department." I said thank you and stepped back into the house to complete getting dressed. When I left the porch it was just a small flame coming out of the top of the barn, but when I returned to the porch the flames had reached the hay in the barn. And now it was an inferno. Fire trucks had already started arriving and all I could do having just come home from the hospital following surgery was to watch the firefighters do an excellent job of containing the fire. Some of the firefighters came over to me with kind words that were appreciated. I wasn't worried about losing the barn because it was insured, I was just thankful no one was hurt during this particular situation. My main concern was my wife's well being since she was in the hospital. The barn could wait; after all there was nothing that could be done at the moment anyway. I just said oh, well!
Well folks time has passed and it's time to consider actions to take. The insurance company was notified and things just aren't so great. Through some error, it doesn't matter whose error (most likely mine) the contents were not insured. So laugh with me, please.
So a member of our little farm/ranch business that runs on volunteer efforts said we should convene a Steering Committee. I said what? Well being open to a new idea I said sure shy not. So I let, Zach the founding member recruit those that would be receptive to his ideas. I think Zach did an excellent job for the head dog in the community. He did not ask the cats because they have all together a different attitude and outlook on life. Good thinking because they might cause trouble and not think like him. So the next choice was Toby. Because Zach was the top dog and controlled the food dish and Toby would go along with whatever Zach wanted. The two decided they were on a roll so they decided to ask Smokin and Lady the horses to join the steering committee because they could control the horses by biting at their heels and they would co-operate.
So the Steering Committee had a meeting and decided it would be best to have a community conversation. Well they had a successful turnout of attendees and held their
Community conversation of our community here on the farm/ranch. In attendance were the six cows and 20 hens and two cats. Actually the majority of the population not just 5% was present. But we did not make head lines in the local newspaper, awww!
Well those durn cats wanted to ask questions and talk openly and that just could not be tolerated, so they were escorted out, The rest were asked to group up (no circle of chairs because there were no chairs available for the sizes of butts) in several different groups and asked to talk amongst themselves and to think positive and make suggestions that would make a positive change in our community.
Well folks the #1 big idea was to form an action committee. So it was formed by volunteers. The problem was the action committee had no idea what the goals actually were or how to go about finding solutions. There was dissent so another community conversation was called to clear the air. At this conversation the steering committee was given written statements to read and were still unsure of themselves. When asked questions the steering committee members deferred to the founding member. Well Zach just woofed that up and was proud to be the founding member.
Well, when everything was done and said they decided to go to the Commissioners of this small farm/ranch and ask for money to help generate support by handing out lollipops.
Well, the Commissioners being also the owners of the farm/ranch thought because they had such close ties to the organization with the steering committee they should recuse themselves from voting, to avoid any conception of impropriety or lack of ethics or conflict of interest.
So the steering committee decided that perhaps the decisions should go back to the designated people that worked for the whole system, The people that provided the actual funding ( perhaps not taxpayers but still a taxing situation to them).
And the system will work for the benefit of all to the best of the ability of all.
Life's challenges will be met with open arms and dealt with as needed appropriately.
With out taking advantage of those that offered their sympathies, the good friends that they are and appreciated by us. The offers of help replacing some hay were greatly appreciated. But do to the fact that it was only a small portion of hay, we will be fine for the winter but the offers were greatly appreciated. The offers of help cleaning up also were greatly appreciated, however we have found a way to get it done easily and may even get paid for it.
This organization will not stoop to asking for handouts or begging, er, asking for donors to deal with what we are responsible for. However when a neighbor and his son came over and voluntarily pushed the burnt wall off of the standing barn that was very greatly appreciated. Neighbor helping neighbor. We all do that out here, and I believe pretty frequently without belonging to some organization demanding volunteers.
Since the owners/commissioners of this little farm/ranch are not elect able in November they will have to be relied upon to work together in making the proper and reasonable decisions together and that they agree to disagree from time to time to aid in making those decisions. After all not everything is positive and even negative's can lead to sharply improved positives.
So the story continues. Watch us live life and enjoy it to the fullest even with the negatives that happen. Come out and visit our little farm/ranch and enjoy the countryside and pet the animals. We are all friendly.
I hope you enjoyed this little make believe story from this uneducated (no college degree) redneck hick and proud to be one. Life is grand if you want it to be. We love this little area in this vast US of A.
End of fiction I think!
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
I myself, am not aligned with anyone. I speak my own mind and speak only the facts as I know them.
It seems no one is really Konnected I wonder why? Even the Followers deny any Konnection from time to time. I find that very curious. Why do you suppose that is?
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
So Ross, you say you are only doing what the followers are doing...correct? Then that in itself makes you a follower of some kind ...correct?
No, No follower. I'm saying they set the table and should provide the serving.
Pretty simple, huh?
Quote from: daisy on September 04, 2012, 08:30:47 PM
I am done for awhile. As I have said, I am very busy and rarely get on here. So until we meet again, so long.
Take care and it has been my pleasure to converse with you. TTYL.
Quote from: Ross on September 05, 2012, 07:01:58 AM
It seems no one is really Konnected I wonder why? Even the Followers deny any Konnection from time to time. I find that very curious. Why do you suppose that is?
No, No follower. I'm saying they set the table and should provide the serving.
Pretty simple, huh?
Take care and it has been my pleasure to converse with you. TTYL.
Daisy, Ross is Paranoid , he thinks everyone that supports the good that Liz and Ken have done and are doing, are part of Elk Konnect. He can't accept that most people are tired of the crap and repetive trash he continues to post.
Oldtimer, you appear to be quite interested in the County Commission race and Ross.
You building a new barn? Looks like Ross is.
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 05, 2012, 07:47:17 AM
Daisy, Ross is Paranoid , he thinks everyone that supports the good that Liz and Ken have done and are doing, are part of Elk Konnect. He can't accept that most people are tired of the crap and repetive trash he continues to post.
Oh, so sorry to disillusion you.
I am far from paranoid.
I'm crazy, but it beats being insane.
Life is fun being crazy. Thank you.
Do you mean to tell me no one is Konnected?
That would really be strange IMHO!
Why elese would the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners vote to give their organization a privately owned company called Elk Konnected, LLC money from the County Recreation Fund that should be going to the real and actual communities of Elk County?
I amy be crazy but I'm not blind!
Gotta go , Gat a busy day.
I'll check back later. Bye-Bye
When you do the work of the Devil, you have to pay.
Maybe it's you who is doing the work of the devil. You've honored him with the capitalization thereof.
So what else are you supporting that you're not saying?
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 05, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
When you do the work of the Devil, you have to pay.
OT, I think you are right and Ross's payback will hopefully be when the voters reelect the 2 young people that have worked so hard for the people of Elk County. The Widfarm Contract alone was an awesome accomplishment in itself. I hear so many people say they are proud of and appreciate the time and effort that Ken and Liz have given to so many.
Good post and not hateful to anyone!!!!!! Amazing!!!
The Hendrick's had absolutely nothing to do with Enel's decision to build anything. What awesome accomplishment ? Contract negotiations ? That's really funny. ROFLMAO.
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 05, 2012, 09:09:09 AM
OT, I think you are right and Ross's payback will hopefully be when the voters reelect the 2 young people that have worked so hard for the people of Elk County. The Widfarm Contract alone was an awesome accomplishment in itself. I hear so many people say they are proud of and appreciate the time and effort that Ken and Liz have given to so many.
First I think you have a misconception of what young is? Sorry about that!
You are so right Elk that would be a nasty payback, I agree with you on that!
But I pray to God it doesn't happen.
Sure and what is the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners involvement in the windfarm?
Who is so proud of that waste out there, their family, is that all the people you are talking about?
How much do they get in royalties?
While my electric bill has gone up to support the windfarm.
Sure people can wear blinders to the involvement of the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their proifiting from it I guess?
You seem to be doing a good job of just that?
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 05, 2012, 08:15:06 AM
When you do the work of the Devil, you have to pay.
Truely, I am not offended by such crass and ignorant remarks!
I just consider the source and the lack of reasoning behind them,
,
You sir have my pity.
Especially, if you feel that is the way to defend Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Such hatefulness must stem from somewhere and I am sorry for you.
This re-enforces the need for new County Commissioners and two who I consider very worthy of the job.
Please consider:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
I do not need nor want pity. So tell me if Hendricks and Liebau had nothing to do with Elk Konnected would you still say they need replaced? Have you ever called them with your concerns? Have you called and talked to Wunderlich or Julian or Lear? If you read back you had alot of people answer alot of your questions but you do not respect people enough to believe them.
I think it would be wise for some posting here to go back to page one of this thread and see what it's all about. ::) How many of the big ideas listed have come to fruition ?
What has our paid economic development person actually done ? ::) Why is there not going to be a festival this year if we have someone paid to bring in people that have crafts to sell, people with money to spend, people looking to spend the day with neighbors, etc. etc.? One of the only things that happens in Howard that has any bearing on the local economy has been abandoned. Why? If there are all of these volunteers available and those leaders who give so much to so many, Why? :o
How can Moline put on a successful Crazy Days and yet the Elk River Festival has tanked ?
Instead of Ross bashing, take a good look at why he started this thread and try answering some of the questions raised. Inquiring minds want to know.
And Mrs Delaware, stuff a sock in it and as Jarhead said, Leave The Room. 8)
Great post Bullwinkle!
We really have gotten off track.
Thanks.
I enjoyed playing with the Followers on their new thread, "Top 10 Reasons to Write-in Ross for County Commissioner", but I have left them to play with themselves or each other as they see fit. Their distraction from the real issue was fun for a short time.
But the real issue is right here.
Remember page one of this thread.
All the great ideas Elk Konnected, LLC gave to the Elk Konnected County Commissioners plus one Commissioner? Remember that?
Here were some of their great ideas:
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Just what does that sound like?
Does it sound like a desire to control the County from Howard?
Cities and all?
Well Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company that will not talk with you or me already has control of our County government through two Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners IMHO! Remember their speeches at the "Meet and Greet the Candidates" it sounded more to me like they were running as Elk Konnected, LLC then as themselves! Just think about that?
All it takes is 2 out of 3 votes to control the Elk County Government and they have that. Don't you think it is time to return our government to a government of the people, by the people and for the people?
Instead of a government of Elk Konnected, LLC, by Elk Konnected, LLC and for Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Isn't it time to vote them out before they bore in and can not be removed?
If so VOTE for a healthy change:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: proelkco on September 05, 2012, 01:27:58 PM
I do not need nor want pity. So tell me if Hendricks and Liebau had nothing to do with Elk Konnected would you still say they need replaced? Have you ever called them with your concerns? Have you called and talked to Wunderlich or Julian or Lear? If you read back you had alot of people answer alot of your questions but you do not respect people enough to believe them.
There has been no real answers since the beginning of this thread.
And when questioning some responses fro Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks she fled to never return.
So you tell me what answers have been given?
Why doesn't the governing body the "Steering Committee" never change?
Why is Konnected Kounty Kommissioner the founding member always on the governing body the "Steering Committee"
First it was suppose to turn over every two years and now it's every four years?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner the founding member has been on the on the governing body the "Steering Committee" since it inception, why?
Can't she let loose of control?
What other possible excuse is there except people have wisened up to the con and won't participate?
We need to vote for a healthy change for Elk County.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Just look at that:
Howard's Elk Konnected, LLC made the newspaper this week.
I sure have missed reading about them and their big headlines about how they planned to save Elk County from it's self.
Well, I still miss it.
The only mention for this Tiny LLC was under the Howard Chamber of Commerce article with a one sentence paragraph, wow!
Quote, "Elk Konnected youth Development Action Team will sponsor a dessert walk on the 29th at the Jackson Park Event." End Quote.
Amazing, huh!
Doesn't that go right along with the failure to fight obeseity with their Wellness Center failure in Howard?
I mean if ya can't get 'em to take it off, help them put it on. Will all that dessert help make strong families and a superior lifestyle they talk about for Elk County. I'm sure it will, it might make a few people bigger. You rock Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner. Your visionaries are right on!
Oh, congratulations on the one sentence paragraph, good job!
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks when is the next Community Conversation?
Isn't time running out for Elk Konnected to meet the requirements of Public Square Communities, INC peer group pressures to sustain your little accredation in their little club? I'm really worried about losing that little accredation, aren't you?
This is not really about Howard's Elk Konnected, LLC.
It's about the marriage of Elk Konnected, LLC's marriage to Elk County government through the two Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Thiis is really about control of our county by people hiding behind Elk Konnected, LLC in my opinion.
You see Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is the one that said something to the effect of removing the "Old Guard",
She even alluded to knowing who the "Old Guard" was and therefore trying to keep them out of her organization Elk Konnected, LLC.
If the "Old Guard" was really a problem why hide them, why not show some guts and call them out and stop what must have been something considered bad.
Was it cowardice that stopped Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks from doing the right thing?
Or was it in fact just a tall tale?
Why do you think the Followers call me paranoid?
I believe they know I am about to expose them and the truth about them.
It never really crossed my mind untill they started calling me paranoid, but just think about that.
Who is really paranoid me asking questions or those afraid to answer questions?
Who is really paranoid, what about the people making direct threats, indirect threats and those that are calling names as attempts of shutting up the citizens of Elk County?
Do they have to be here on this thread to read what they call lies?
Do they provide any information that what is written here is lies?
Did they say no Elk konnected, LLC is not merely the "Old Guard" in a new dress when asked ? No they did not?
What do I have to be paranoid about?
I don't work for any of them, they can't fire me can they?
I dont work for anyone, I'm retired, they can't get me fired from any job at all, now can they?
So really who is paranoid? Wouldn't that be those that don't want the truth out?
Wouldn't that include those that want County Welfare in the form of tax rebates through Neighborhood Revitalization, those that don't want to pay their fair share of property tax? Think about it.
If they get this "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" won't it be the first of many more such programs?
Do we really need to start an esculation of social welfare programs?
But think for yourselves and make your own decisions.
The truth is we need new Couinty Commissioners. Commissioner that think for themselves and are not controlled by a small group of people, right?
We need Better and Best:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Hey Ross, none of you are paranoid but several of you are indeed neurotic about certain things. HA!
EK also sponsored a run., Did you miss that one? Perhaps Elk County can adopt a new motto...."Never try anything new unless you are guaranteed success."
Socialism is not new. It's been around a long time.
Hey redcliff do you reckon Elk Konnected, LLC might let me sign up as an official member?
Then maybe i could beg for donations to replace my saddles and tack for my business, like they beg for donations of washer and dryesr and all sorts of stuff for their business?
Ya think that might work?
I don't think so, because I am not a beggar, oh well!
I'll just buy my own?
I wonder why they can't buy their own with that $85,000 we talked with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks about several months back?
I wonder what good they did for the "Quality of Life" in Elk County with all that money?
Since their business plans to open a business ie, Day Care Center on beggar stuff, will they do day care for free?
That's enough wondering for now, since I know there will be no answers!
Let's really improve the "Quality of life in Elk County.
Lets get Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office.
URGENT URGENT PLEASE VOTE IN NOVEMBER URGENT URGENT
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
URGENT URGENT PLEASE VOTE IN NOVEMBER URGENT URGENT
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 09:09:27 AM
...."Never try anything new unless you are guaranteed success."
Unless you can play and lose with other peoples money! Heck, look at how that's working for Obama and outfits like Solyndra.
Most everybody uses other people's money at one time or another. Most people who own vehicles or have mortgages, borrow money from a bank.The bank uses depositors' money to pay the bill in full and then the buyer pays the bank, or other loaner, back over time, with interest, and must have collateral. I know you know that!
Many start up businesses do the same. In retail sales one must have start up inventory don't they? Some have enough savings for a small start; not everyone does. They borrow other people money. Yes, I know you'll say that's not the same.
I bought my first car with $ my father loaned me and I paid him back over the first year I owned it. From then on I've always been able to pay cash.
Many farmers buy seed on time by borrowing and then paying it back when the crop comes in...I'm sure there are a few who don't have to, but many do. I'm sure you know that too.Then there is Federal crop insurance and Federal flood insurance. But in some areas of the country people can't rebuild the infrastructure in their communities without help from the Feds when a disaster happens. Pooling the tax money creates enough to do something with.To me that's an investment, not just "other people's" money.
Most commercial fishing boat owners borrow big time from the bank to pay for their boat They'd never get started if they had to wait until they had saved up the total cost first... and on and on.
Sure, sometimes the venture can be risky and sometimes it's the Gov't playing loose with people's money, but many times ,like with the old CCC projects it's well worth the investment. IMHO.
Solyndra was obviously a mistake. (but then there is Konarka, who Romney backed), Given enough time, perhaps Solyndra may be resurrected or reused somehow.
Regardless, the folks who had invested got huge tax deductions.
Our one oil refinery has reopened, even as the pessimists swore it never would...put a lot of people back to work. The accompanying domino effect brought little Delaware City back to life. There is always hope.
Red, every time you throw out the words Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Hitler or any of your other favorite words, I'm going to put a nickle in a jar for The Salvation Army's Red Kettle Drive in December. I wonder how must positive I can make out of your negatives? 8)
Thanks for your wasted lesson in basic economics & elementary business capitalization. Borrowing with repayment provisions is one thing, as is self funding... seeking 3rd party handouts is quite another. In the former case, the 'other people' get their money back with interest. In the latter, a few 'managers' get to freeload, employees get a brief break from unemployment & and the 'other people' get little or nothing.... we used to call that panhandling.
As for your love of the 'other people' being taxpayers.... you're showing your socialist roots.... again. There, now donate another nickle to the Salvation Army. You'll feel better that way and can still avoid the reality of your anti-capitalist position.
P.S. Didn't you repeatedly promise to stay away from political discussions? Sad to see you're not a woman of your word. I know, it's a free country.... when it's convenient for you. Yet another tyrannical, statist perspective. Poke, poke.
I already told you, now 7 people have asked me not to leave because they like hearing another perspective and some have said they have even learned a few things.
I had indeed planned to leave for good, as I said already. Why do you care anyway?
Yes, it's a free country and a woman always has the right to change her mind. :-* Nobody forces you to read what I write, and as far as I know you are not in charge. Besides, after more than 5 years, I've become a much better typist (well sort of) seeing as how I'm completely self taught. That means I can post longer posts now, much to your chagrin and boredom...like I really care. ::)
Wow, you must really despise Mitt. He got his start using other people's money by convincing them to invest in his ideas among other things. Now don't get excited, I plan to vote for him, but in some ways he scares me.
Pan handling today is not the same at all! If some guy is sitting on the corner with his cup or whatever out, especially if he has a sad eyed dog with him for sympathy, and you give him money, you chose to do it ...nobody forced you.
Cheap shots again? Thanks so much. I totally disagree with your idea of "third party" money. Besides socialism is an active thing, on it's way to becoming communism, which is what was usually intended. That has mostly stopped around the world.There are still socialist countries but they are different now from what they had been at one time. They are one party systems which the US is not, nor would I ever want less than a two party system .So go ahead and try to insult me, but ya don't know as much as ya think you do...about me I mean. Poke, poke, right back. I need to go do something worthwhile.
What's the topic? Is it Delaware? Some County in Delaware?
Is the topic comparing Elk County to some county in Delaware?
Is it about some one in Delaware who has bunches of friends in Elk County?
No, I don't think so.
The subject appears to be Elk Konnected, LLC, Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and what they are doing in Elk County, Kansas!
So lets talk about the would be freeloaders and beggars and welfare seekers,
seeking to shed their responsibility of paying their fair share of property taxes.
And doing so with the aid of Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau,
Is that good for business?
I don't think so!
Why?
Well, it would be public information who they are, right?
And I have already said, I would boycott anyone on the list.
And if they don't have a business seeking my dollars and a family member does, it's all the same to me.
If you choose to short change the County Property Tax System, you are in essence boycotting it, in my way of thinking!
There you have it an Economic Development Plan in Reverse, good job!
I'll ask my friends to do the same thing. And they will ask their friends. see how this could grow?
Watch Us Grow! ( Elk Konnected, LLC's motto, but we haven
t seen any growth there have we?)
After all if you are in business to make a profit off of me, you are then using some of that profit you made off of me to pay those property taxes. If you don't want to pay, you don't want to make a profit off of me and my friends.
Let's tell those Konnected Kounty Kommissioners we have had enough.
Let's VOTE them out in November.
Sorry Ross, of course you are right about getting off topic, but I think you better check with Patriot and Red as to how that happened. I also did post, on topic, about the run Severy had, sponsored by EK ,but you don't want to hear that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 02:23:17 PM
Sorry Ross, of course you are right about getting off topic, but I think you better check with Patriot and Red as to how that happened. I also did post, on topic, about the run Severy had, sponsored by EK ,but you don't want to hear that.
Diane, Diane
Severy is not in Elk County.
That is a figment of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks imagination.
I think that may be what Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Howard Elk Konnected, LLC really is --- a beggars fantasy.
That has failed at everything they have attempted to do except beg for donations.
That's one reason why we need to vote out the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and get people that do their own thinking for the good of the county. Pretty simple isn't it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
I already told you, now 7 people have asked me not to leave because they like hearing another perspective and some have said they have even learned a few things.
Does that mean if eight... never mind LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
I had indeed planned to leave for good, as I said already. Why do you care anyway?
It's not about my 'caring', I don't. It is, however about clear recognition that your words don't seem to be trustworthy.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
Yes, it's a free country and a woman always has the right to change her mind.
God bless America!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
Besides socialism is an active thing, on it's way to becoming communism... There are still socialist countries but they are different now...
Whose primary focus was to eliminate capitalism... and still is. But at least you're beginning to show a modicum of continuity in your analysis & thinking processes. Other than that 'America's too big to fail' & 'socialism isn't a bad thing' mentality.
Moreover, in his own way, Ross has been showing us how socialism (intended or otherwise) creeps into our systems of government even at the lowest local levels. And often the first step is to loudly deny the obvious collectivism in local activities & agendas.
Ah yes, you are trying to do my thinking, twist my words for me again and lead me off subject. The English composition teacher would give you a poor grade.
Ross..It's wasn't me ;)
Of course America is not too big to fail, especially when there are people out to prove it by any means possible. Then they can say "well see, I told ya so!"
At least so far you all don't seem to be trying to prevent anyone from voting...speaking of socialism and unconstitutional behavior. But then again, you don't have any minorities do you? How can some states justify that action? I'm afraid the Feds will step in and things may blow up..or perhaps they will just withhold federal money, as has happened before.
I thought Severy had been included in EK because of the school district. Am I wrong? If so, I do apologize.
No Pat, so far only 7, not 8 as of yet. It did start out with 5. Now back to Ross's own personal thread, that he seems to own and control. poke,poke HA! 8)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
The English composition teacher would give you a poor grade.
Just because my mood sucks today (and pretty much every other day lately) isn't "NICKLE" spell NICKEL?
nick·el (nkl)
n.
1. Symbol Ni A silvery, hard, ductile, ferromagnetic metallic element used in alloys, in corrosion-resistant surfaces and batteries, and for electroplating. Atomic number 28; atomic weight 58.69; melting point 1,453°C; boiling point 2,732°C; specific gravity 8.902; valence 0, 1, 2, 3. See Table at element.
2. A U.S. coin worth five cents, made of a nickel and copper alloy.
3. Slang A nickel bag.
tr.v. nick·eled or nick·elled, nick·el·ing or nick·el·ling, nick·els
To coat with nickel.
;D ;D ;D ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
I Tried real hard but I just couldn't fight it, sorry about that!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 12:50:45 PM
I already told you, now 7 people have asked me not to leave because they like hearing another perspective and some have said they have even learned a few things.
Where are they if they live here are they afraid of a conversation?
Would number one be Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks,
Who ran and hid from this thread?
I came back and squeezed this in at the top, I did try to resist.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
Of course America is not too big to fail, especially when there are people out to prove it by any means possible. Then they can say "well see, I told ya so!"
That would be very unpatriotic in my personal opinion. But why did all this come about?
Greed, take, take and no give.
I would like to see that attitude change right here at home in Elk County before it blooms out of control by the beggars, the welfare seeker that don't need it? If they can afford to build a house they can afford to pay their fair share of taxes, and take their write off from the IRS and don't need it from the highest taxed county taxpayers in Elk County. If they can afford to start a business in order to make a profit they can afford to pay their fair share of taxes, and take their write off from the IRS and don't need it from the highest taxed county taxpayers in Elk County. Or they don't want my business.
Pretty simple! Does the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want to treat their friends, relatives and cronies special. Well so do I. Boycott!
Reverse Engineering or Reverse Economic Development they can call it what they want.
After all those business depend on the residents and taxpayers of this county, don't they?
JFK said Ask not what your country can do for you, but ask what you can do for your country.
I say Ask not what your COUNTY can do for you, but ask what you can do for your COUNTY.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
But then again, you don't have any minorities do you?
That's a bunch of bull. I happen to have black and Spanish friends right here in Elk County. And bi-racial friends as well!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 06, 2012, 03:19:40 PM
I thought Severy had been included in EK because of the school district. Am I wrong? If so, I do apologize.
I explained that!
I'll try again!
Severy is not in Elk County!
The school district is a different entity!
Elk Konnected, LLC has a fantasy going on.
It's just another to beg for donors or get money from their city government or whatever!
Severy apparently hasn't figured out they are simply being used, that's my opinion anyway. Give em a few lollipops and take their money, nice work if you can get it.
You didn't read anything in Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks disparaging open letter to the public about Elk County Communities, that concerned Severy did you? They apparently were an after thought.
QuoteRed, every time you throw out the words Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Hitler or any of your other favorite words, I'm going to put a nickle in a jar for The Salvation Army's Red Kettle Drive in December. I wonder how must positive I can make out of your negatives?
Well, the Salvation Army should be OK. Just be sure not to sneak any funds to socialist organizations in Elk County.
But then again, you don't have any minorities do you?
Sure we do, they're called white folk.
Pass the word around if you want to save Elk County from itself and save the taxpayers from ever increasing taxes.
Talk it up.
Here are two guys that are self thinkers and have an interest in doing what is best for the whole county.
They don't answer to an organization or small group of people or "The Old Guard".
Placing these guys on the Commissioners panel with Mr. Ritz will surely guarantee a
Government of the People, For the People and of the People.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
I suppose I should include a disclaimer right here!
I am in no way related to either man!
I am in no way a close associate or friend with either man.
I have never been to either mans home.
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Mr. or Mrs Billy. You are absolutely correct ,and you are the only one who spelled it correctly! Good for you, really. It was a genuine error on my part and I didn't even catch it until you mentioned it! See, unlike some, I don't go out of my way to justify things that I do wrong. Ya caught me fair and square. I'll have to add that to my word demons list....or say dime instead! HA! I'd love to know how many other spelling errors you see...as you know I don't poke people for many of them, just a few who are a deliberate burr under my saddle...with no blanket pad.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 07, 2012, 02:42:59 PM
Mr. or Mrs Billy. You are absolutely correct ,and you are the only one who spelled it correctly! Good for you, really. It was a genuine error on my part and I didn't even catch it until you mentioned it! See, unlike some, I don't go out of my way to justify things that I do wrong. Ya caught me fair and square. I'll have to add that to my word demons list....or say dime instead! HA! I'd love to know how many other spelling errors you see...as you know I don't poke people for many of them, just a few who are a deliberate burr under my saddle...with no blanket pad.
I do believe kshillbillys was making a point. Pardon me kshillbillys if I am wrong!
I believe the point is that all that spell checking is very annoying, therefore makeing you annoying.
Comprehension is just as important as spelling, don't you see.
Please stop it Diane!
There are plenty of professional bloggers and news articleswritten by professionals that have a lot of mis-spelled words go find them.
Do some real good on the internet and correct the professionals. This is mpt grammer clas, spelling class or english class, I am asking politely, Please stop on this thread.
Thank you Diane.
Now back on subject:
Here are two guys that are self thinkers and have an interest in doing what is best for the whole county.
They don't answer to an organization or small group of people or "The Old Guard".
Placing these guys on the Commissioners panel with Mr. Ritz will surely guarantee a
Government of the People, For the People and of the People.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Professional Bloggers mispelling words ross??? Oh heck, just take a look at the MSM out there, CNN ABC NBC FOX all of them, they don't use spell check either. Much less some of them sure as heck can't write a proper sentence. I've seen the twitter crap work its way into the sentence structure where they write what i call half sentences.
I figure that they get what they pay for.
Elk County can continue in Elk County with the status quo, you know the existing state of affairs, the same old, "Old Guard", right? :(
You know for a fact the "Old Guard exists right? Konnected Kounty commissioner Hendricks, said so right? She said she worked hard to keep the "Old Guard" out of her Elk Konnected, LLC, so they must exist right? :(
Elk County can continue with the people that exploit children for their own gain, right? :(
Elk County can continue with receiving the lollipops while others manipulate the dollars, right? :(
Elk County can continue to allow Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to continue to control the county with their two out of three votes, is that what you want? >:(
If not throw you weight behind:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Votes for anyone else will cause the incumbent's to remain in office.
That's what the incumbents want, that's what they need to stay in office. It's the political way!Wouldn't it be nice to see some real integrity running Elk County?
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Elk Konnected does not control the Elk County Commissioners just as they do not control West Elk School District. IMHO
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 09:59:37 AM
Elk Konnected does not control the Elk County Commissioners just as they do not control West Elk School District. IMHO
I said Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have the controlling votes.
I.E. 2 out of 3
Repeat Two out of Three votes on the Commissioners Panel.
Don;t you get it?
One thing about it, if you want your kids to grow up to be communists, send them to a government school.
Ross, sorry for interrupting your tirade. I do catch spelling, punctuation and grammar errors on the written page, often, by people who should know better. Why don't they care? Some even went to those "perfect" non public schools.
Ross please tell me...at what grade should teachers give up trying? Second? Third? 8th? Please let me know so I can tell my teacher friends when to not bother!Then they can study the constitution even more in class, even though the kids won't need to learn to spell any of it correctly, or read any of it
Red, you are simply amazing and really clueless about communistic style education..and you just insulted every teacher in Kansas. I've given you solutions many times, but you'd rather boo-hoo-hoo and gripe. Are you lazy or what? I'll try not to rise to your bait again.
Sorry Ross, but Red took this off topic. It'll be all yours again soon, for whatever this thread is worth. Wouldn't it have been easier to just write it once and then do hundreds of ditto marks? ;D
Didn't you go to one of those "communist" schools? They did try to teach you didn't they? Why do you defend poor grammar and poor spelling and sentence structure?
Will I stop mentioning it? Sure, OK, but what will you do in return?
Somewhere out there there must be some very disappointed teachers.
Didn't your parents care enough to be sure you studied? Of course, I don't know what your circumstances were. But, in real communist schools, there would be no excuse.You would be letting EVERYONE down if you didn't perform. Ya know about all that collective thinking stuff?
Ya see that's what Red doesn't acknowledge...If the schools here were really old time communist ,not one of you would have poor spelling or grammar or written communication skills. It would have been beaten into you, your parents would have been intimidated into making you learn, because they would have be punished economically or physically, or you would have soon been kicked out to be nothing and unemployable,and probably a raging alcoholic.
Or they would have chosen your career for you. Show any signs of intelligence and you would have been schooled accordingly or else! You'd be assigned your job, no choice on your part. and NO COMPLAINTS. It that really what you think should go on? Perhaps you'd rather have our imperfect system after all!
OK Ross, back to you. ;D TA DA!
So typical of east coast liberals... all yap, virtially no substance & no real focus on the issues at hand. Diane, your friend Biden must be proud.
So, how about all that political influence associated with our local privately owned LLC?
Just a lot of socialistic jargon by Diane.
Like I mentioned, "If you want your kids to grow up to be communists, then send them to a government school".
And just where all the perfect schools? Patriot just where are you from? Diane might leave in the East but she at least is civil on the forum
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 02:25:08 PM
...Patriot just where are you from?...
Wichita, originally. Does that have some bearing on elected officials directing county controlled funds to the use of private companies they founded or own?
Sorry Ross,I tried to give it back to you. I'd be civil all the time, but when I'm being attacked I do slip once in awhile. Patsy I was just answering questions. Too bad.
If I can assume that Patriot and Red went to public schools, then they must be good communists? That is so funny! Ross, before I forget, those 5 thank yous have all been sent :angel:.
Have the Commissioners done nothing right in your opinion, Patriot? Did the Wichita Commissioners always do what you thought was right? I still believe that all 3 of the Commissioners are honest and are working hard for all of the county.
Proelkco-
You appear to be pro-government, instead of pro-liberty. Is that about right?
No that is not right. May I ask do you live in Elk County?
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Have the Commissioners done nothing right in your opinion, Patriot?
They have made what I considered to be a few good decisions, and I've commented on those in this forum.
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
I still believe that all 3 of the Commissioners are honest and are working hard for all of the county.
And you are entitled to believe what ever you choose to believe. As for my assessments... I base them on outcomes and on actions.
All political ideology aside, If I see elected officials display common ignorance (i.e. "A lease is not a debt"), or a repeated willingness to disregard laws regarding their actions & procedure surrounding both public & closed meetings, or any number of other similar negatives, then I must begin to question their fundamental competence relative to the position they hold.
In terms of outcomes, everything from Census records, to the allocation of maintenance expenses, to labor relations, to the micro-management of individual employee duties by individual commissioners (as if they had singular authority apart from the entire board), at least two of our current commissioners have demonstrated a level of leadership that has produced nothing of value that I can see in terms of the growth and real betterment of Elk County, its employees, or the majority of its citizens.
As for 'working hard'. Perhaps. Of course, moving boulders from one place to another and back again can be 'hard work'. But productive... no. As for honesty... remember that honesty and integrity are two different things. I prefer to see
both in an elected official.
Please note that nothing I've said relates in any way the the 'likeability' of any of our commissioners. I don't care if they are teddy bears or ogres....I do care if they are competent & produce real, measurable & lasting positive outcomes. Nor do I care much about 'good intentions'. It has been well observed that the road to Hell is paved with such things. After about 10 years in one case and 4 in another, if good intentions is all we have then we aren't moving much, IMO.
I see a big improvement on the country roads. They have put the windfarm money to good use. They are trying to improve the courthouse. Alot of things are moving slowly forward but at least it is forward.
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Have the Commissioners done nothing right in your opinion, Patriot? Did the Wichita Commissioners always do what you thought was right? I still believe that all 3 of the Commissioners are honest and are working hard for all of the county.
What the heck does Wichita have to do with Elk County Government?
I guess next you will be comparing Elk County Government with crime ridden cities like Chicago or New York or others?
From my view point, this is what I see.
Elk Konnected, LLC lead by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, and cheerlead by Liebau has addressed Elk County infrastructure!
Well, lets look at the Top Infrastructure of Elk County Government which in my opinion is terribly flawed.
One Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks who founded Elk Konnected, LLC, who is now President of that company's mother company, so to speak, which is Public Squares Communities, INC. Hendricks has said she and her family do not benefit from this connection. My question to her is how am I to believe that?
On Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau, who has behaved at County Commissioners Meeting's as a cheerleader?
Both Konnected Kounty Kommissioners vote repeatedly together to provide county money to this privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC? How many other privately owned companies would be provided money from the county recreation fund to advertise themselves by handing out lollipops of whatever sort?
And sir if you mean to tell me this is a perfectly good infrastructure, I beg you to open your eyes.
The fact that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks talked about "The Old Guard" in her open letter as if to be avoiding them, suggest exactly the opposite to me. She even mentioned she had an idea who they were which adds to the suspicion that Elk Konnected, LLC is simply "The old Guard" in a new dress.
And all we seem to have seen out of Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is failure as listed throughout this thread. Her so called visionaries don't seem to have done much of a job now have they?
Was it by chance her visionaries that came up with the idea of the Community Revitalization Program?
The program known by me as the Handout, 'Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, freeloader, welfare program?
Afterall, doesn't it appear that all Elk Konnected, LLC does is beg?
Isn't it always gimme, gimme, gimme? Begging?
They appear to be real good at it, to me!
Is this the top County Government Infrastructure we need?
As for
County Commissioner Ritz, I believe him to be a very straight forward man.
A true asset to the county.A man that has never hollared during a County Commissioners meeting that he is tired of being called a crook, when in fact the words were never uttered. What man did that, and why? Was it a guilty Conscience that brought that about? No, it wasn't written in the minutes of the meeting just like many other things are left out. Why? Figure it out for yourself, I can't think for you, I have enough trouble doing my own thinking about and seeing through this big mess.
November will be a great chance to straighten out this mess IMHO!
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
I see a big improvement on the country roads. They have put the windfarm money to good use.
I agree & have said so in a separate thread on this forum. Unfortunately, the two commissioners mentioned earlier waited until the last minute to agree with Commissioner Ritz regarding said improvements. He had been trying to plan ahead for those actions for over 6 months. And are you aware there is no clear intention to provide funding to continue those improvements in the 2013 budget? Enjoy what you see now, the money is about gone for this year, and next year may be a return to pre-2012.
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
They are trying to improve the courthouse.
Apparently you are uninformed regarding details of the work being done, the cost of that work, the amount of work still being deferred that will be vastly more expensive to complete in the future & the ongoing facility disintegration that has been & will be realized as a result of the manner in which we have failed to plan ahead. Even the most recent work (just completed in recent days) was to have cost $65,000, but then increased to about $82,000 and will ultimately end up at about $95,000! All in a period of about a month.
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 03:48:47 PM
Alot of things are moving slowly forward but at least it is forward.
While I would like to agree wholeheartedly, I can't. The reality is (if you see the entire picture) is that we have been taking 1.5 steps backward for each step forward. That is not progress. That's not even maintaining the status quo.
In over 40 years of formal management & leadership training, business ownership & personnel management experience, I'm hard pressed to find poorer examples than can be found in Elk County government... and that's disappointing.
Quote from: proelkco on September 08, 2012, 02:57:03 PM
Have the Commissioners done nothing right in your opinion, Patriot? Did the Wichita Commissioners always do what you thought was right? I still believe that all 3 of the Commissioners are honest and are working hard for all of the county.
What the heck does Wichita have to do with Elk County Government?
I guess next you will be comparing Elk County Government with crime ridden cities like Chicago or New York or others?
From my view point, this is what I see.
Elk Konnected, LLC lead by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, and cheerlead by Liebau has addressed Elk County infrastructure!
Well, lets look at the Top Infrastructure of Elk County Government which in my opinion is terribly flawed.
One Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks who founded Elk Konnected, LLC, who is now President of that company's mother company, so to speak, which is Public Squares Communities, INC. Hendricks has said she and her family do not benefit from this connection. My question to her is how am I to believe that?
On Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau, who has behaved at County Commissioners Meeting's as a cheerleader?
Both Konnected Kounty Kommissioners vote repeatedly together to provide county money to this privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC? How many other privately owned companies would be provided money from the county recreation fund to advertise themselves by handing out lollipops of whatever sort?
And sir if you mean to tell me this is a perfectly good infrastructure, I beg you to open your eyes.
The fact that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks talked about "The Old Guard" in her open letter as if to be avoiding them, suggest exactly the opposite to me. She even mentioned she had an idea who they were which adds to the suspicion that Elk Konnected, LLC is simply "The old Guard" in a new dress.
And all we seem to have seen out of Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is failure as listed throughout this thread. Her so called visionaries don't seem to have done much of a job now have they?
Was it by chance her visionaries that came up with the idea of the Community Revitalization Program?
The program known by me as the Handout, 'Beggar-Thy-Neighbor, freeloader, welfare program?
Afterall, doesn't it appear that all Elk Konnected, LLC does is beg?
Isn't it always gimme, gimme, gimme? Begging?
They appear to be real good at it, to me!
Is this the top County Government Infrastructure we need?
As for
County Commissioner Ritz, I believe him to be a very straight forward man.
A true asset to the county.A man that has never hollared during a County Commissioners meeting that he is tired of being a crook, when in fact the words were never uttered. What man did that, and why? Was it a guilty Conscience that brought that about? No, it wasn't written in the minutes of the meeting just like many other things are left out. Why? Figure it out for yourself, I can't think for you, I have enough trouble doing my own thinking about and seeing through this big mess.
November will be a great chance to straighten out this mess IMHO!
Just can't argue with a truth!
Elk County would be greatly better off with new Commissioners.
And here is a great pair.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
We can only lose if they are not elected IMHO.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Ya see that's what Red doesn't acknowledge...If the schools here were really old time communist ,not one of you would have poor spelling or grammar or written communication skills. It would have been beaten into you, your parents would have been intimidated into making you learn, because they would have be punished economically or physically, or you would have soon been kicked out to be nothing and unemployable,and probably a raging alcoholic.
While Diane's unsupported description paints a picture that may reflect the possible totalitarian end to government run education in countries that attempt to create the ideal communist utopia, her ignorance of the basic concepts of communist doctrine & planning that precede that end are glaring...
Simply said, the Communist Manifesto (and general ideology) don't detail the specific methods of enforcement of learning in government education... they simply point out the basic means. And those means call for children to be educated solely by institutions controlled by the government rather than by the private sector and that the curriculum be mandated & approved by the government. The fact is, a more ignorant and less thinking society is easier to control.
In Diane's ignorance, she fails to reflect on the concept of government controlled schooling in the communist ideal and how that same process has been adopted in America. She also fails to reflect on comments made by early 'founders' of the current American system that clearly indicate that our government system of public schools was never intended to create educated thinkers, but rather to create compliant citizens who possessed the bare essentials of basic education.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2012, 01:34:05 PM
Red, you are simply amazing and really clueless about communistic style education..and you just insulted every teacher in Kansas.
Only a dedicated fool would not be able to see that the issues discussed here are
not about teachers, but about the system of education & the control of funds & curriculum.
As a side note, since Diane claims to be such an expert in "communistic style education", perhaps we should question the source of that expertise... personal following & belief perhaps?
Its that way Patriot, teachers take it personal when you point out the flaws in the ed system. They are duped into that mindset that its all for the kids. When it is obviously designed to produce good obedient workers for the state.
Don't like the commissioners. Run for office. Don't like publc schools. Send your children to private schools. Too much time on yours hands. Keep repeating yourself on this forum.
Don't like what you're reading, don't read it. ::)
Quote from: greatguns on September 09, 2012, 08:27:05 AM
Don't like the commissioners. Run for office. Don't like publc schools. Send your children to private schools. Too much time on yours hands. Keep repeating yourself on this forum.
Why not just push to get some good ones in office? LOL
But you don't want that though do you?
If you don't like the truth, try to shut people up!
If you can't answer questions truthfully, try to shut people up!
If you are for a small group of people, such as "The Old Guard" controlling the County, Try to shut people up!
It just doesn't work, does it?
There is over a years worth of proof in this thread that there is a serious problem in Elk County that needs corrected.
And back handed death threats and threat of lawsuit has failed to work to shut people up.
So let's improve the County Government, how about it?
Think Positive, Vote Positive, Vote for Positive Improvement in Elk County, Vote:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
"Spread the Word"
I have never read a death threat on this issue. I have also read your questions answered. Once they are answered you are not satisfied and ask more, so why would the ones you ask waste their time with you. You have a grudge against Elk Konneted and you can't seem to get past it. I was at the meeting that you were asked to leave in Moline and it was all handled quite well. The people that gave the suggestions were from Elk County. They were presented to the County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills, so that list was not from Elk Konnected.
Quote from: proelkco on September 09, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I have never read a death threat on this issue. I have also read your questions answered. Once they are answered you are not satisfied and ask more, so why would the ones you ask waste their time with you. You have a grudge against Elk Konneted and you can't seem to get past it. I was at the meeting that you were asked to leave in Moline and it was all handled quite well. The people that gave the suggestions were from Elk County. They were presented to the County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills, so that list was not from Elk Konnected.
Hey Pro, you hit the nail on the head. I have heard several people say that Ross had a personal Vendata against Elk Konnect, Liz and Ken over that. I think people will think for themselves and not vote for anyone Ross is sponsoring. Why would you take the recomendation of someone that is against everything that creates good for so many.
VOTE LIZ AND KEN
Quote from: proelkco on September 09, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I have never read a death threat on this issue. I have also read your questions answered.
You've actually read all 4400+ posts on this thread and dozens more on related matters in other threads? I'm impressed... with your claim. How about the multiple, factual questions relating to legal structure & ownership that I've ask? It would appear that you might be parroting the pseudo-answers & deflections we've seen by uninformed EK supporters for months. No threats or attempts to silence Ross or others? That alone is evidence your reading is incomplete. Heck, contact the forum owner and ask what's been attempted.
Even you have inferred that those who don't live here have no standing to question... but if the non-residents support your contentions & EK then that's just fine. How myopic & patently biased. Of course, if you accept marriages between government & selected private entities, that's your choice. Not supportive of good constitutional interpretation, IMO, but your choice nonetheless.
To go back a few posts....Hey Pat, what is "mandated" in some countries and what actually happens just shows your ignorance of such matters! My aren't you people ,and you know who you, are in rare form!
You seem to forget I was an ED major and took many, many courses at UD. Obviously you have no idea what courses were required then, but without listing them all and outstaying your attention span, I know what I'm talking about.
Shame on several you for trying to insult me again. (I had originally written a very long piece, but I knew several of you weren't up to it, so I deleted it.) Why heck, I even studied John Dewey, not so much that we should have believed him, but to understand that some did. We even learned to THINK and teach that skill to our students. I find the back peddling about your teachers very revealing. Ya can't hide what ya really meant. You keep up the personal communist style attacks, perhaps I'll go back to mentioning all your (plural) spelling, punctuation, sentence construction and grammar errors...won't that be fun? I'll allow myself one for every 50 of yours.
I had a psychologist friend recently tell me it's useless trying to reason with a mad man.That part of his mental wiring is missing. So I'll write for the interest of others. At least 7 of them. 8)
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Quote from: proelkco on September 09, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I have never read a death threat on this issue.
You don't read so well, do you? I said back handed death threat? A no-brainer!
Quote from: proelkco on September 09, 2012, 10:55:17 AM
I have also read your questions answered.
In your imagination!
Quote from: proelkco link=topic=11780.msg196073#msg196073 date=1347209717
Once they are answered you are not satisfied and ask more, so why would the ones you ask waste their time with you./quote]
What a poor excuse to avoid open and honest dialog.
[quote author=proelkco link=topic=11780.msg196073#msg196073 date=1347209717
You have a grudge against Elk Konneted and you can't seem to get past it. I was at the meeting that you were asked to leave in Moline and it was all handled quite well.
Grudge, I think not! A community organization that claims our county and the people in it are all screwed up and they are going to fix it, and then won't say how! I ask who, what, where, when, why and how and you call that a grudge? It appears to me that you and they are running some sort of scam and don't want to respond to the citizens of Elk County. But they appear to always have their hand out
begging. Here's a question that has never been answered, what happened to the $85,000 that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner discussed earlier in this thread? What happened to all the profit they made from the sell of the Wellness Center in Howard? With all that money why are the
begging for a washer and a dryer and all other sorts of things for their day care center? They failed at running the Wellness Center what makes them think,
begging for stuff to start a day care center qualifies them to operate it any better then the
Wellness Center? I'll tell you this I wouldn't place my child with proven failures that can not afford to open and operate their business without
begging. You know why? Because I wouldn't expect them to stay in business long. Then they could sell all the donations or begging's they recieved, to make more money.
Just no proven stability there!
I thought, I handled that meeting real well! It was advertised as a Community Conversation, however, that is not what it was. It was a three ring circus with a ringmaster from Leoti, Kansas. Saying, sit here, don't sit here and think this way, not that way. And the little people bowed down to his wishes. I asked, to speak with him and he said outside, he was fearful of being outed, or why else outside? So he called for the sheriff which was totally unnecessary, if it had been a true Community Conversation. It was all puppet master and puppets. IMHO The people set in little circles as told, like kindergarten students in school. I'm sorry, you could not see through the façade and behaved accordingly and they using you just like the rest of the people that obeyed what they were told. That's gotta feel terrible.
[quote author=proelkco link=topic=11780.msg196073#msg196073 date=1347209717
The people that gave the suggestions were from Elk County. They were presented to the County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills, so that list was not from Elk Konnected.
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What people made any suggestion. Name a suggestion and a person that suggested it?
You can't, because of all the manipulation of the little people, right? I bet they couldn't pull that same scam again, what do you think?
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They were presented to the County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills, so that list was not from Elk Konnected.
/quote]
Are you saying the list was not generated and produced by Elk Konnected, LLC at the fake Community Conversation?
Oh, my - oh, my!
Of course you mean it was delivered to two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and on County Commissioner don't you?
Are you against change for Great and Positive Improvement in Elk County's Government?
Is that your problem, if not get behind Better and Best, what do you say?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 09, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
Hey Pro, you hit the nail on the head. I have heard several people say that Ross had a personal Vendata against Elk Konnect, Liz and Ken over that. I think people will think for themselves and not vote for anyone Ross is sponsoring.
If 'what Oldtimer has heard' (the rumor/gossip mill?), is gospel, then take Oldtimer's advice.
If you like paying ever higher taxes (among the highest in Kansas) & getting less service for your money, then be sure to take Oldtimer's advice.
If you don't think your elected officials should have to comply with state laws, then take Oldtimer's advice.
If you really believe that we can afford a new rural fire/ambulance barn in Howard & hundreds of thousands of dollars to save century old monuments, then take Oldtimer's advice.
If you honestly believe Elk County is healthy & growing, then take Oldtimer's advice.
But if you think we can do better & deserve open government with integrity that keeps your interests ahead of personal agendas, then you might consider an alternative course in November. Even better, contact those who are running and determine for yourself where the smoke & mirrors reside.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 12:07:49 PM
You seem to forget I was an ED major and took many, many courses at UD.
That, alone, is clear evidence of your bias toward government educational agendas. LOL
Sorry Pat, wrong again. Teachers have to go to college. Even Christian colleges have education majors. Some of my friends at that time went on to teach at private schools, Christian schools, Catholic schools, Friends Schools, Nursing Schools, Medical Schools, Law Schools and private colleges as well as public schools. I had offers from several private schools, but chose a public school that was only 10 minutes from me, but in Maryland, and paid better than Delaware. If it were now, I'd be teaching at Newark Charter.
Give it up Pat, ya can't win.( Ridicule if you don't know any other way to converse, but ya look pretty silly doing it.) Actually, I'm more interested in the kids I had in school. They range now from judge to jailbird. I was just one of their many teachers of course, but I was often requested and I'm very proud of that.
What was YOUR major? What made you such an expert on everything, at least in your own mind? I'm about at your attention span limit again, so I'll stop.
By the way Ross, there is no such thing as a "back handed" death threat. It's either an obvious joke (kill the umpire!) or it's real ,nothing else.
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 09, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
Hey Pro, you hit the nail on the head. I have heard several people say that Ross had a personal Vendata against Elk Konnect, Liz and Ken over that.
I think perhaps you should inform your friends of the definition of vendetta.
Definition of Vendetta
: blood feud
: an often prolonged series of retaliatory, vengeful, or hostile acts or exchange of such acts
I believe I have been mostly very polite in asking simple questions of an organization that claims to be a community organization of which I happen to be a member of that community? It is you the followers that have threatened me with a lawsuit and the back handed death threat, remember?This same organization who refuses to communicate openly and honestly with Elk County citizens also appear to have control of our county government by having the controlling votes in Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's Hendricks and Liebau?
And you don't feel it proper to question politicians?
I guess what ever the Senators and Congressmen and the president do, is never questioned by you?
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 09, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
I think people will think for themselves and not vote for anyone Ross is sponsoring. Why would you take the recomendation of someone that is against everything that creates good for so many.
I have repeatedly asked and suggested that everyone think for themselves and not to rely on my opinions. My opinions are mine alone.
What exactly are you talking about that creates so much Good? Are you ashamed to mention who they are? And what Good have they created? Are you talking about the beggars?
Quote from: Oldtimer on September 09, 2012, 11:47:49 AM
VOTE LIZ AND KEN
So now, I guess I should feel proud, you are now mimicking what I do?
But I won't!
It's not very original now is it? Sorry, there just isn't room for another Ross.
Thanks for the compliment though!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Ross, if you really did just ask questions, and not in a rude sarcastic way, it might be fine, but you have accused people of "lining their pockets" and profiting illegally from being commissioners.and then denied it. You've tried to be very subtle sometimes, but it's about as subtle as being slammed with a sledge hammer that happened to have the end padded. Sometimes it's how you word things that can be very offensive. Might you not be more effective by trying a different approach?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
By the way Ross, there is no such thing as a "back handed" death threat. It's either an obvious joke (kill the umpire!) or it's real ,nothing else.
That is just simply your opinion which you are fully entitled to.
However, I believe I got the message across to the rest of the readers.
Definition from Merriam-Webster of BACKHANDED
: indirect, devious; especially: sarcastic <a backhanded compliment>
And I see no limitation on how to use the word, thank you.
It would be nice to see you start a thread on Higher Education, spelling, grammer and firefighting and see how many people you can attract there. I find it rather boring and useless on this thread.
So please use you leadership skills and have people come to a thread of Higher Education, spelling, grammer and firefighting and good luck with it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 01:09:41 PM
Ross, if you really did just ask questions, and not in a rude sarcastic way, it might be fine, but you have accused people of "lining their pockets" and profiting illegally from being commissioners.and then denied it. You've tried to be very subtle sometimes, but it's about as subtle as being slammed with a sledge hammer that happened to have the end padded. Sometimes it's how you word things that can be very offensive. Might you not be more effective by trying a different approach?
Hi Liz,
Happy to hear from you again. But you could not be more wrong.
This is not one of your meetings and you have not been appointed Ring Master.
So you see, it just doesn't work here!
But hey, how about voting for some Positive Change in Elk County?
Vote with the Positive Thinkers, Vote for:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quotes from Diane:
, perhaps I'll go back to mentioning all your (plural) spelling, punctuation, sentence construction and grammar errors...won't that be fun?
Ridicule if you don't know any other any to converse
Huh ?Any other any ??
Quote from Diane:
You seem to forget I was an ED major
You got me there---what is a Erectile Dysfunction major---did you cause it or did you try to cure it ? Just asking. poke poke
Quote from Diane:
You seem to forget I was an ED major and took many, many courses at UD.
Why does this little statement come to mind ?
I've learned that artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
Sorry, the guys on campus were too young to have THOSE ED problems. ;D ;D ;D
ED stood for Education major. ED, the first two letters? Got it now?
Remember we were charged with helping people learn how to think? Problem solving, critical thinking and all that. Ha!
As I've always said, you may criticize my typos all you want. I'm getting better, but still a few will slip through. Or maybe it's from blood loss. Yeah, that's it. I'm weak from blood loss from all Pat's slicing and dicing. It's his fault! ;)
See, I aksed and no one opposes a positive for the Elk County Commissioners !
I mean when one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners aunts call him on the carpet during a meeting, that should explain a lot. A really sharp and able woman in my opinion. Perhaps she should have ran for the seat.
The other Konnected Kommissioner says she wears so many hats, I assume of importance, that she can't remember which one she is wearing or when. Haven't we had enough of that?
So, here is the best bet for a Better Quality of Life in Elk County that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks has failed to provide. She won't even tell us how she was going to go about it. Oh, well.
You make up your own mind, but, I just don't know how we can continue down the negative road of higher taxes and Welfare for those that don't need it, through the way of the "Neighbor Revitalization Program" which they call "rebates." Do you?
Do we need to continue to have beggars that have money, begging in Elk County?
It is your decision in November !
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
My word Ross, the little people in your head must be talking again.
It is true, slow witted people do get bored easily and have very short attention spans. It's Obvious man!
I the future, I'll try not to be Liz, I'll try to use shorter words and I'll send you a first grader's place keeper book marker so you can follow along and not lose your place. In consideration of your repetitiveness, perhaps we should name you "Rerun." Won't you be glad when the election is over? I just can't imagine what you'd do if all the incumbents got back in...Or the new commissioners ignore you.
Why haven't your two choices been on the forum to explain themselves and how they plan to make Elk County a better place? What do they plan to accomplish? I'd have thought by now you would have made those arrangements so the good voters could ask them questions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
My word Ross, the little people in your head must be talking again.
It is true, slow witted people do get bored easily and have very short attention spans. It's Obvious man!
I the future, I'll try not to be Liz, I'll try to use shorter words and I'll send you a first grader's place keeper book marker so you can follow along and not lose your place.
Diane at least my little people have some common sense and they tire of your pettiness.
Yes, I can tell the difference.
This sounds more like your arrogant edumacated ignorance.
Just like ED, Erectile Dysfunction mentioned earlier by another member. You just don't get it.
I'm just as important as you, I retired as a Rear Admiral and Graduated Yale University and fought the VietNam war single handedly, NOT. But I am much more important then you because I am a registered voter in Elk County and because I add to the economy of Elk County. While you on the other hand live many, many miles away.
I have actually gone out of my way to be decent with you to no avail.
But letting someone else write for you is just going too far.
And I am not the only one to have noticed the difference.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
In consideration of your repetitiveness, perhaps we should name you "Rerun."
You may call me anything you want because what you have to put forth is of little interest to me.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
Won't you be glad when the election is over? I just can't imagine what you'd do if all the incumbents got back in...Or the new commissioners ignore you.
Not for you to worry about.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 04:11:37 PM
Why haven't your two choices been on the forum to explain themselves and how they plan to make Elk County a better place? What do they plan to accomplish? I'd have thought by now you would have made those arrangements so the good voters could ask them questions.
What the hell is it to you anyway, way up there in Delaware? You won't be voting?
What you have been on this thread is just a plain busybody with nothing at stake. Where in the heck is your common sense? Did Liz take it away from you?
I thoroughly explained I have no connection with either of these gentlemen. But I do know after a few dealings with them that they are honest and also they want what is Best for Elk County.
It was a smart ass remark about the Quality of Life in Elk County aimed at Konnected Kommissioner Hendricks and I believe she is well aware of that.
Those gentlemen have never said anything about using the internet and what they choose to do is their business, do you comprehend that?
Where as Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks made it a point to use this forum to Kommunicate with the citizens of Elk County. However, it appears she is only interested in one way communications and fled this Forum particularly this thread? Doesn't appear she could provide honest and open dialog. IMHO
Therefore a better choice in my personal opinion is someone that doesn't make statements as such and then not stick to them.
In her district that would be:
Mr. Hebb
For Honest Leadership
But Diane, I wouldn't expect you to understand and comprehend any of this. I expect you to come back with similar garbage as is in this last response of yours. Please save us all, even the Konnected Followers from such an assult. Thank you.
Ross. This will be my last time on this particular thread. Not because I do not find it quasi-amusing, but it serves no purpose for me now.
I origionlly came on this thread interested in that things had ran amok in Elk County with this new and improved IamcommissionerKonnected and it could come closer to my home. I asked the question: and now I can't find it as the owners have purged all of my 787 posts. no problem....I know what I asked.
So, I will say this: bluntly and as raw as I can be with no intention of being upset. This is my take.....then I have only 1 question and it is all your personal blogg/titter/campaign trail, Ross.
What I thought as a true and solid county ran government, is only about the 'good old boy' system, and it has been taken advantage of. Want proof? Oh, give me time, I can do it, however the elections are about to be here, and then it will be water under the taxpayer's bridge that will be built with your taxpayer's dollars.
I do believe ELK Konnected is not up to standard of ethics.....However I do believe they are NOT responsible for Waters being pissed in and on by (insert a name)
Ross started this thread (and yes, I do NOT know what you are thinking).
I have an opinion, and so do others. If it doesn't follow your line of thinnking, well then hell ,it is just a marxist statement and I am wrong..so be it.
Some of your answers back to some people, Ross just floored me! That wasn't your way of conversing back at the beginning. You have become hardened and cruel at people to say the least. Let's just get this out of the way:
You have a 'hard-on' for the Elk Konnected crew, being made of of elected officials and what not. I get that. You were not heard and ushered out. I get that.
You have spent the last year telling us your theory and i am thinkin g you now have an 'Agenda' (spare me the Wiki) the set of goals of an ideological group; also used as above, the topics under discussion by a government'
So here is my Question: If you didn't ask Mr. Hebb or Mr. Wunderlich if it was okay to write them in, then why are you? Do you know them? I persanlly know Mr. Hebb. And now why did you just take Mr. Wunderlich's name off your marquis?
I do think you are a pot stirrer....and please spare me the "I am just a dumb old hick" routine.
I agree to vote your beliefs this November.
I just don't like how this has turned into a personal campaign .
Ross....if I have offended you, I know you can take it.
So can I. I don't need refuted to my words.
I am done.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 09, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
So here is my Question: If you didn't ask Mr. Hebb or Mr. Wunderlich if it was okay to write them in, then why are you? Do you know them? I persanlly know Mr. Hebb.
Perhaps that's my bad that I didn't ask them. I have had dealings with both gentlemen and find them to be very honest men. I do know a couple of Mr. Hebb's children and respect them as well.
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 09, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
And now why did you just take Mr. Wunderlich's name off your marquis?
During that particular post I was nly refering to that one particular district.
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 09, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
I do think you are a pot stirrer....and please spare me the "I am just a dumb old hick" routine.
I agree to vote your beliefs this November.
I just don't like how this has turned into a personal campaign .
Thank you Ready, I agree I have been a pot stirrer. But I am still just an uneducated hick.
However, I am not alone on this forum. There are college educated people involved that agree with me.
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 09, 2012, 06:46:00 PM
Ross....if I have offended you, I know you can take it.
So can I. I don't need refuted to my words.
I am done.
ready
Ready you have never offended me. I happen to like you. Sometimes, I had difficulty understanding somethings you said. But I always enjoyed reading what you had to say. Please don't say the last time on this thread, I'm sure others have enjoyed your being here.
Ross, you can keep prattling away to your hearts content and pretend to be so offended, but at least I know the difference between then and than. Your "dumb hick" comments doesn't hold water with a number of us and excuses nothing.
I made the comments about the elections, not because they mean anything to me personally, but I thought the new folks running should have the same "Ross Requirement" to show up on the forum. I just thought some of the forum members might not have thought of it. Did you notice the post about some things that were stolen...didn't yer barn just burn? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 07:08:57 PM
Did you notice the post about some things that were stolen...didn't yer barn just burn? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry for the intrusion... just wanted to save that one. Carry on.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 07:08:57 PM
Ross, you can keep prattling away to your hearts content and pretend to be so offended, but at least I know the difference between then and than. Your "dumb hick" comments doesn't hold water with a number of us and excuses nothing.
I made the comments about the elections, not because they mean anything to me personally, but I thought the new folks running should have the same "Ross Requirement" to show up on the forum. I just thought some of the forum members might not have thought of it. Did you notice the post about some things that were stolen...didn't yer barn just burn? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
You my dear have far surpassed pathetic.
What is with the burn remark!
Are you really so stupid?
What was stolen?
Quote from Patriot:
Sorry for the intrusion... just wanted to save that one. Carry on.
Patriot,
Not to worry --I had all bases covered.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 09, 2012, 07:08:57 PM
Ross, you can keep prattling away to your hearts content and pretend to be so offended, but at least I know the difference between then and than. Your "dumb hick" comments doesn't hold water with a number of us and excuses nothing.
I made the comments about the elections, not because they mean anything to me personally, but I thought the new folks running should have the same "Ross Requirement" to show up on the forum. I just thought some of the forum members might not have thought of it. Did you notice the post about some things that were stolen...didn't yer barn just burn? :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Diane there is no such thing as a " "Ross Requirement" to show up on the forum." That's a figment of your imagination. Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks was the one to say she would use this Forum to it fullest or something like that to communicate with the citizens of Elk County. Simply that and no more.
I also wanted to copy your post again for safe keeping.
Perhaps a few others will click on quote on your post to save it as well.
Those remarks should show the Citizens what we have to look forward to if we do not vote in new commissioners.
The Followers have absolutly nothing decent to put into this thread, so do we really need 4 more years of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Just give it some thought, please!
It wasn't my post. Look and you'll find it. I just asked a simple question, sorry you didn't make the connection. You never said what started the fire. Gee, aren't ya gonna say Liz wrote that?
To infer that Ross is a thief is the most base thing yet. :( You , Diane, have really shown your true self again. ::) :o I hope your 7 followers have read it and think twice about wanting to see more from you.
In addition, you also infer he is an arsonist ? " No mas panteloones "
Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 10, 2012, 08:19:14 AM
To infer that Ross is a thief is the most base thing yet.
In addition, you also infer he is an arsonist ?
Sad, isn't it? :P
Where in the world did you get that? I knew your comprehension levels were poor but that is hilarious! WOW... What a stretch. Not that, frankly, Ross doesn't deserve a slice, after he threw my sincere concern back on me like boiling water!
I can very easily be an adversary politically but but friends or at least neutral on other things.
You guys apparently have to have an enemy to fight ..or at least windmills. Too much raging testosterone? Good grief! I thought perhaps whoever the thief was had visited his place too! Why would Ross burn his own barn? He said he didn't have insurance on the contents! I had already said long ago that nobody needs fear me, but ya pick on me I will verbally fight back. Besides, he said it was Liz posting! How twisted is that! Did you copy that down too? I did. I have nothing but pity for his warped character and "shucks, I'm just a hick" attitude. Why should anyone take a self admitted uneducated hick seriously. it's just a cover up.
It must be sad to have to figure out an inference or implication for everything anyone says in order to have ammunition. What is this a snow ball fight?
If there is any way to twist something, you'll find or invent a way to do it, won't you? Fine, do what you want. You few have often proved there is no way to have civil discourse with any of you about anything.
I will not apologize for anything I did not say or mean and you can't put it in my mouth! What a bunch of nincompoops! Stuff it! Now you'll pretend to be all righteous with your verbal noses up in the air. I'm glad you have something to do. Keep working at it ,ya haven't driven me off yet...in fact, the worse you treat me the longer and meaner I'll stay...with my red pencil.
ROTFL Diane,
I haven't done it on here cause most likely if i were to do it, teresa would pull out her broom and beat me with it. But one of my hobbies is to find folks with liberal ideals, and to make them implode. Its so easy to do too. You are very easy to bait and antagonize to the point you implode on yourself. Its not hard to get you stirred up and frothing.
It is funny how you can defend a socialist institution like Government school, it is 100% socialist, far left, progressive, etc etc and they even say so. Their primary religion taught in government schools is humanism. The ideology of government schools is nothing is wrong, truth is subjective as one persons truth is not another persons truth in their eyes. No wonder our kids have no clue how to cope and adapt when there is nothing to guide them except for the "hand of Government". Funny thing is that everyone bitches when God is mentioned and says that the constitution prohibits God. Well wake up. Government education is prohibited by the constitution. Simple isn't it. That is the number one trigger that floats your boat. Criticize the system and you go ballistic. You can save yourself more aggravation if you didn't get all defensive. Reminds me of when i was a kid and the older ones kept teasing me about my name. Finally after beating the crap out of them for it, i realized that if i just laughed about it and cut up they would stop. Actually one of my favourite ones was smokey robinsons cruising.
Took the wind out of their sails when i would just snap my fingers and start grooving!
You are not a moderate. I am a moderate. If you were a moderate, Red is quite a bit more conservative than me, patriot is probably closer to red than i am. So that's what i base my assessment on you being a moderte. You are far left of me on just about everything. So that places you in a liberal side.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 10, 2012, 09:48:43 AM
So that places you in a liberal side.
Heck, just claiming to be family friends with the Biden's places her left of 60% of the entire country... being educated at the University of Dinkyware must be good for another 15% move to the left. LOL
Quote from: Patriot on September 10, 2012, 09:55:15 AM
Heck, just claiming to be family friends with the Biden's places her left of 60% of the entire country... being educated at the University of Dinkyware must be good for another 15% move to the left. LOL
lol you gotta love biden! ROTFL i love it everytime he opens his mouth, romneys polls get higher!
The government education system has a lot of liberals. The liberals seem find a way to spread into
the private schools too. Not good.
Ross, I don't care who runs your county as I do not live. Srkruzich and I are in the same boat on not living in Elk County. Not trying to be nasty, just saying there is other options to public schools. Have a nice day!
They can't have a nice day unless they are dumping on something or someone They are apparently very insecure or they wouldn't have to do that and show off for each other.They don't really want answers, they want be as rude and immature as possible. You'll never see them take their lumps or be willing to turn the other cheek. How about if I remind them what state Westboro BAPTIST church is in? Ya don't get much more rotten than that.
Go ahead and attack me and Delaware once again. You don't seem to comprehend anything I say. Learning disability perhaps? I'm associated with Newark Charter, remember? We are in the process of building a high school now. The state stats came out recently and Newark Charter came out first or second in everything tested in each grade tested.
Wanna pick on me some more? How about if you clean your own house first! Ya wanna get dirty, go ahead, just keep messing with me. You just don't know what I could come back with. And I do mean several of you...Since you've been tearing into me, I've been told several very interesting things that you might not want made public. I'll just leave it at that and watch you blow your own top. Back off!
Steve, I'm your special project? How very Christian of you! Be sure and share that with your preacher. You probably pulled the wings off insects, abused animals, teased retarded children and made fun of anyone who wasn't beautiful or had to wear glasses. Perhaps you still do. and then you go to church to show how good a Christian you are....HA! Perhaps you should read some of those Bible passages to yourself.
I don't care whether you call me a liberal or not, it won't affect how I vote in Nov.
Steve, you are not in any way a moderate.
You are a radical far right evangelical conservative, hanging on to the the right edge with the tips of your fingers. Even the Repubs. don't want to acknowledge your type.
Red, haven't you figured out yet that conservatives don't know how to teach? ;)
I had a number of Maryland kids whose parents took them out of Elkton Christian down the road apiece from where my school was, because the parents were so terribly dissatisfied and their kids were falling further and further behind.
One little girl I had was scared to death the first few days (third grade) because she had been told at her school that she would go to the devil if she came to Gilpin and left the Christian school. How cruel was that!
That kind of thing happened so often I don't know how they kept enough kids to stay open.
Those kids could parrot back lots of bible verses, but didn't even understand what the verses they were saying meant, nor could they read many of them. So somehow WE were supposed to help them catch up so they would pass...,yeah, all us rotten teachers. The parents had finally decided that that school wasn't what they wanted for their kids.... and they were all devote "born again' Christians.
Once again Ross, I'm sorry...they keep jumping ship on YOUR personally owned thread.
Again Diane alot of people that I talk to enjoy your posts. Ross must definitely be the uneducated hick he claims to be if he cannot see the difference in the spelling of Diane and Liz.
Thank You. I don't like to be mean. It really isn't in my "helper" nature, but one can only take so much abuse without saying "enough all ready" and fighting back.
Now we're off to the fire station to sell bingo and put together the Fire Prevention Contest Rules packets for the 21 K-8 schools (of all kinds) who we have in our district.
"HOGWASH"
Here is the way to go, for a Better Elk County with no Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 10, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
They can't have a nice day unless they are dumping on something or someone They are apparently very insecure or they wouldn't have to do that and show off for each other.They don't really want answers, they want be as rude and immature as possible. You'll never see them take their lumps or be willing to turn the other cheek. How about if I remind them what state Westboro BAPTIST church is in? Ya don't get much more rotten than that.
Go ahead and attack me and Delaware once again. You don't seem to comprehend anything I say. Learning disability perhaps? Wanna pick on me some more? How about if you clean your own house first! Ya wanna get dirty, go ahead, just keep messing with me. You just don't know what I could come back with. And I do mean several of you...Since you've been tearing into me, I've been told several very interesting things that you might not want made public. I'll just leave it at that and watch you blow your own top. Back off!
Steve, I'm your special project? How very Christian of you! Be sure and share that with your preacher. You probably pulled the wings off insects, abused animals, teased retarded children and made fun of anyone who wasn't beautiful or had to wear glasses. Perhaps you still do. and then you go to church to show how good a Christian you are....HA! Perhaps you should read some of those Bible passages to yourself.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 10, 2012, 03:07:50 PM
Thank You. I don't like to be mean. It really isn't in my "helper" nature, but one can only take so much abuse without saying "enough all ready" and fighting back.
My mother and father always told me that if I didn't have anything nice to say, I didn't need to say anything at all. Am I guilty of "fighting back"? You betcha. But, I also know when I have made my point in the fact that I'm not going to take any stuff off of bullies and "give it back to them," and I quit doing exactly what upset me that they were doing. I don't just keep it up and keep trying to justify to everyone that 'since you're mean and a bully, I can be just as bad even though I'm a wonderful person deep down; you all just bring it out in me!' Enough all ready, you've made your point; but to keep doing it and keep doing it, means that you may not be that 'wonderful person' and just be an ass like everyone you say you don't like. Take a look at your last few posts: you sure don't sound like an educated woman when you're ranting and raving and causing the same trouble you say you hate. I actually thought you were a better person than that, but it goes to show that even though I'm the Shadow and I know a lot of things, I must not know everything.
Just a few thoughts to ponder.
Kent
Thank you for that Shadow. I sure hope it brings some sanity back to the thread.
I have tried hard to be decent but I just lost it temporarily and therefore I apply your post to myself as well.
Thanks again.
ROTFL yep meltdown :)
Why come down on Diane and not Mr.Ross
Quote from: proelkco on September 10, 2012, 05:08:42 PM
Why come down on Diane and not Mr.Ross
One reason is that Ross doesn't take bait and implode. Secondly, i don't have a problem with his asking questions. It only seems to annoy the liberal group. Third i totally agree with the concept of trust noone in authority, verify that all their actions are above board and give no quarter to them whatsoever when they do something unconstitutional.
IF they do good then give a attaboy but if they try to pull a fast one slap em down as hard as you can. I do not believe that you can ever have a honest politician after 2 years into their term. They are always corrupted by the power. ALWAYS.
When a county is in the red in its finances that always means someone is mismanaging money. There can be no other explanation. You do not spend what you do not have. Simple economics.
Elk is in the hole as well as many other counties but there are counties that aren't in the hole. So there are some good managers of money in some of the couties.
Last of all, as Ross has pointed out as has others, when a huge windfall of money getins into 95% of peoples hands, they are broke within a year or two from blowing it needlessly. That includes governement officials. And by speaking out like ross and patriot does, they become the "squeaky wheel" that constantly warns about foolish spending. And that only angers the lefties because they think its their right to suck the well dry.
Quote from: proelkco on September 10, 2012, 05:08:42 PM
Why come down on Diane and not Mr.Ross
BTW i didn't come down on diane, i pointed out her propensity to stir the pot with her poke pokes and comments she makes. The impression she always has given is that of a "hamptons" resident with the attitude looking at the red neck america that has no culture. She's never said it but it does come across in her writing style that she is a elitist
I have asked many times of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners who we all know are reading this thread, how they propose to meet their goals? Especially since they don't seem to believe in two way community communications? It's all one way communication, in the newspaper!
They llist their goals as a Vision Statement, whatever that means. They list the following:
Strong families: Just how do they propose to interfere in families?
What gives them the expertise to do so?
Where do they get the authority to do so?
What particular families do they intend to make stronger and how?
Solid education: What possible authority do they have over the local school board? Is it
Their Elk Konnected, LLC member as school board President?
Do they have other members on the school board?
Do they have authority over the state school board?
How do they propose to provide a Solid Education and to who?
Superior Lifestyle: What exactly is it they call a Superior Lifestyle?
How do they propose to provide a Superior Lifestyle?
Who do they intend to provide a Superior Lifestyle to?
What are the specifics? Without specifics all I see is an Emperor with no clothes, how about you? What do you see?
Is it possible this is just a cover for "The Old Guard" that Konnected Kommissioner Hendricks referred to in her open letter on the internet? Possibly just in a new dress?
How does this organization affect the Governing of Elk Kounty by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners? Do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners get their instructions from the privately owned company? Who are the bonifide members of this organization?
How many members are there? Are you a member? I know I'm not! So, who is?
Why all the secrecy? There appears to be no answers! No open Dialog available to Elk County Citizens! I wonder why?
I do believe there are members of our community that are unencumbered by all of this and will think for themselves and on their own for the good of all of Elk County.
And perhaps eliminate all the questions that surface because of the present situation.
All we have to do is get out there and vote them in.
As a team, the citizens of Elk County can do it.
No club membership required! (Figuratively speaking)
Or do we want to continue down the path towards a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" County?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 10, 2012, 01:13:57 PM
Wanna pick on me some more? How about if you clean your own house first! Ya wanna get dirty, go ahead, just keep messing with me. You just don't know what I could come back with. And I do mean several of you...Since you've been tearing into me, I've been told several very interesting things that you might not want made public. I'll just leave it at that and watch you blow your own top. Back off!
(emphasis added)
How on earth did I miss this little invitation to a libel suit? I must be slipping.
Diane, if you feel froggy, leap. Then grab Al and your attorney, come on over, and we'll have lunch. Otherwise, you might take your own advice and back off!
No need to back off Diane.
Quote from: proelkco on September 11, 2012, 12:59:02 PM
No need to back off Diane.
ROTFLMAO
Spoken like a non-defendant!
That's OK. I had my say and I'm fine now. I do know how to forgive. I just get sick of the constant picking and baiting and sometimes need to fight back. when it's aimed at me..It makes them look bad, not me. There is a lot of difference in"pointing out something" and slicing someone.
If internally some of you feel like hicks and are somehow below me...that's your own doing and your own insecurity and has naught to do with me. Have you forgotten where my father's people came from? Ya really have ta try don'cha?
Patriot, perhaps ya just might want to review what there is negative about about you that you'd rather not be made public. You might not want to be so righteous.
As far as how I write, not elitist, just educated. I'm not gonna start with "I seen" and the wrong use of their, they're and there, just because some don't know any better. That's their problem not mine. I know some teacher at some point tried to teach them and apparently they refused to step up and learn. Some people have genuinely good reasons, most don't.
By the way, telling the truth is never libel...you surely know that. You're supposedly an expert on such matters.
Ya might as well give it up. I'm not going to be driven off and the more you try, the worse you look to the reasonable, good natured people who read these posts.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 11, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
As far as how I write, not elitist, just educated. I'm not gonna start with "I seen" and the the wrong use of their, they're and there, just because some don't know any better.
You just did again! If you are so edumacted I remind you this is the political thread and not the English Language or spelling thread.
So, please use that education and stay on topic, unless of course you used those technics in your so called teaching career or what ever it was. Start an English Language or spelling thread and see who follows it and see who cares. Thank you.
Now can we get back on subject please.
I'll be back sonn with what I consider weird information on this subject.
In the mean time Please carry on.
but diane, what you repeat is hearsay and most often is not the truth. Hearsay is inadmissible i court and can and is libel if you repeat it. :) Unless you saw it with your own eyes, its very risky to repeat a rumor
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 11, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
That's OK. I had my say and I'm fine now. I do know how to forgive. I just get sick of the constant picking and baiting and sometimes need to fight back...It makes them look bad, not me.
Glad you're feeling better. But, first, the above about picking & baiting... and then this...
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 11, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
Patriot perhaps ya just might want to review what there is negative about about you that you'd rather not be made public. You might not want to be so righteous.
Picking & baiting? I have reviewed... and, other than the fact I still smoke cigarettes, my negatives aren't that impressive.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 11, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
By the way, telling the truth is never libel...you surely know that.
You are quite right. But, I would suspect your earlier post clearly shows your intent as malicious & threatening.
"I've been told several very interesting things that you might not want made public." So please be absolutely sure of the truth in whatever you might publish. But you go ahead and have it your way.
In the mean time, have all you eligible folks registered to vote here in Elk County, yet? http://registertovote.org/state-info/kansas.html (http://registertovote.org/state-info/kansas.html)
Let's see, Ross. Not Steve or anyone else, just me, that figures. I will answer people who come at me, I don't care what thread it's on.
I know you will show favoritism and I have no intention of starting a spelling thread, but then ask Steve how HE got off topic. HMMM? Take it way Ross! I'm ready to read the same old thing....again :-* and again, and again, and again, (I keep looking for something new) and again, and again, and again... ;)
Well I find it rather weird because, I thought the business of the School District and the School Board was the Education of our children. So why aren't they working on making our school a Blue Ribbon School instead of dabbling in County politics?
Oh, that's right the School Board President is Konnected isn't he?
How many others on the School Board are Konnected?
What's really going on here?
Is the Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" "Neighborhood Revitalization" Welfare program called rebates, for those that don't need it a product of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendrick's and Liebau's Elk Konnected, LLC which happens to be a privately owned company, is it?
Why is it on the School Board Agenda for Sept. 10th?
You know, I asked Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, right here on this thread if Elk Konnected, LLC wasn't just "The Old Guard" she referred to in her open letter on the internet and in print elsewhere and I received no answer? I wonder why? We all know they are reading every word of this thread. They even told me right here on this thread they were printing every one of my post's for a possible lawsuit. I really hope they are not wasting all that paper, because they could go green and save it to a disk or other device.
I know the El Konnected School Board President will come up with some story fer instance that the Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" "Neighborhood Revitalization" Welfare program called rebates, will provide for more people to move here and increase the school population or some sort of thing. To that I say poppycock, unless you can prove it.
But still it is County Business not School Board Business IMHO!
On Elk Konnected web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
Elk Konnected, LLC which includes School Board President David Whetstone say they will Provide Solid Education! Where is it? Do we have a Blue Ribbon School?
Why isn't the School Board working to improve the education instead of getting involved in County Business and County Politics. As individuals I can understand but as a School Board I don't believe County Business or County Politics belongs there.
Is this what we want for Elk County?
Do we want a small group of people that Have failed at everything they have done, with the exception of begging for "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, welfare call it what you want? Do we want to keep these Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in office?
Do we?
Think about it! Talk it over with your friends and neighbors? Tell them that, that crazy Ross is shooting his mouth off about it! I'm not running for office, so if you want to diss me please diss me gently. LOL
Remember to vote on it in November and lets improve Elk County Considerably!
Can we hear from some of you who have been quiet?
Quote from: Ross on September 11, 2012, 04:36:32 PM
Elk Konnected, LLC which includes School Board President David Whetstone say they will Provide Solid Education! Where is it? Do we have a Blue Ribbon School?
Why isn't the School Board working to improve the education instead of getting involved in County Business and County Politics. As individuals I can understand but as a School Board I don't believe County Business or County Politics belongs there.
Can we hear from some of you who have been quiet?
David Whetstone is president of the West Elk School Board. He wears many different hats. So do most members of the school board and of the community. That's what happens in small towns. I don't doubt his integrity, nor do I question the integrity of any of the West Elk School Board members.
I have attended school board meetings in the past, not so much this past year. Did you go to last night's meeting? Then you would know what was discussed and what wasn't. They are, and have been, working to improve our educational system. I didn't attend last night. If you're curious about it, ask a school board member directly.
Regardless of last night's discussion and meeting, West Elk has an excellent school system. It regularly receives Excellent in Education awards. Its students routinely place first in math, music and Scholars Bowl competitions. They know their "stuff."
The questions are:
Is Elk Konnected, LLC "The Old Guard" they refer to?
Is County Politics the business of the School Board?
Is the fact that the Konnected School Board President David Whetstone using his position to push County Business or is it Elk Konnected, LLC business?
This old story of wearing many hats is growing old real fast!
Are these people incapable of knowing the difference between one hat and another?
Or are they easily confused as konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks says she is?
Where is the responsibility to keep those hats seperated?
It appears to me to be either an excuse or a lack of responsibility?
Are School Board Meetings, Elk Konnected, LLC meetings?
Are County Commissioner mewetings, Elk Konnected, LLC meetings?
Do we need leadership that is more concerned about Elk Konnected, LLC and it's small group of people, rather then the whole county or the business of the School District?
What I am talking about as a Blue Ribbon School is all students getting a quality education not just a few that bring home some award or some ribbon. How about a school system that educates all children and bring home a blue ribbon for everyone in the system. What you are suggesting if only a few do exceptional everything is hunky-dory. I happen to disagree with you, okay!
With all that confusion about hats isn't it time for some great changes?
Let's start in November, lets get out and vote!
Here are a couple of good guys that are not Konnected as far as I know!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from Patriot:
How on earth did I miss this little invitation to a libel suit? I must be slipping.
Diane, if you feel froggy, leap. Then grab Al and your attorney, come on over, and we'll have lunch. Otherwise, you might take your own advice and back off!
Patriot,
Is it safe to come out of my underground bunker yet? I been down here shaking like a coon dog passing a peach seed.
Quote from: jarhead on September 12, 2012, 08:18:57 AM
Patriot,
Is it safe to come out of my underground bunker yet? I been down here shaking like a coon dog passing a peach seed.
Sure it is.
By the way, I understand the Longton City Council has voted to rebate city property taxes under the county Neighborhood Revitalization Program (when it is adopted). Are the folks down there excited? If a new house/business is built in Longton under this plan, the property owner would get back up to 95% of their property taxes, including the city's share. I guess finances in Longton must be pretty good.
Jar, you must be doing something right somewhere along the line. Even though you whack at me once in awhile, nobody has ever PM'd anything bad or mean about you. :-* There are some very bad influences on here though. Be careful or Ross'll get ya for taking over his personal thread again.
pa·thet·ic [puh-thet-ik]
adjective
1. causing or evoking pity, sympathetic sadness, sorrow, etc.; pitiful; pitiable: a pathetic letter; a pathetic sight.
2. affecting or moving the feelings.
3. pertaining to or caused by the feelings.
4. miserably or contemptibly inadequate
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Also like the 'you don't care about the kids' or 'you don't care about Elk County' arguments.
The school is a taxing entity. I'm sure they were discussing participating in the Neighborhood Revitalization program. The USD tax can be rebated the same as the county. And cities. Why don't you talk to your school board member instead of bashing Whetstone.
Quote from: patriotdad on September 12, 2012, 09:23:29 AM
The school is a taxing entity. I'm sure they were discussing participating in the Neighborhood Revitalization program. The USD tax can be rebated the same as the county. And cities. Why don't you talk to your school board member instead of bashing Whetstone.
I do believe there are several school districts that are being approached with this plan. Can they all afford to give up new revenue sources as well? As for Whetstone, he's the board president in USD 282, is he not (as well as a major EK, LLC player)? I guess it's lonely at the top.
Jar, stay in that bunker!
Quote from Patriot:
By the way, I understand the Longton City Council has voted to rebate city property taxes under the county Neighborhood Revitalization Program (when it is adopted). Are the folks down there excited? If a new house/business is built in Longton under this plan, the property owner would get back up to 95% of their property taxes, including the city's share. I guess finances in Longton must be pretty good.
Patriot,
Hadn't heard nothing about it but I will go ask the city clerk, my baby sister. Kinda strange my family "runs the city" but I was left in the dark but aint nothing new. The only people who talk to me is a couple old widow women who are after a young pup such as myself. Did hear that after being turned into the Health & Environment crowd for doing the evil deed of demolishing the dilapidated Brighton Hall and exposing all of to the deadly toxins of asbestos, now after spending a tidy sum, we find out it is asbestos free---BUT--- the rubble still has to be hauled to a landfill, at a greater expense.
Now when water rates have to be raised to pay for all it, I bet "the rat" will be first in line to bitch.
Let me beat Ross to the punch. It's somehow Elk Konnected's fault the city has to go to this expense, right? After all they were just trying to take care of a blight on the main street, right? :laugh: ::)
Charles,
I don't think EK had any thing to do with it---but what do I know ?
Quote from: jarhead on September 12, 2012, 10:34:54 AM
Charles,
I don't think EK had any thing to do with it---but what do I know ?
If nothing else, jar, you illustrate the point Ross has been making all along.... we DON'T know what influence this privately owned company and its members have or have had on matters that affect the greater population through their kozy konnections with government.
Elk Falls just voted to join the county Neighborhood Revitalization tax giveback program by rebating city property tax receipts to those who can afford to build there. Finances in Elk Falls must be good as well. Like Longton, they apparently don't need the added funds either. But what is interesting is that they voted to join in right after Jennifer Montgomery (Elk Econ Development/Youth Coordinator & EK, LLC Steering Committee) offered some county money for an 'inflatable' for the Outhouse Festival this year.
Backhanded bribe? Don't know. Transparency? Probably not.
The county or city or schools are not giving up 95% of thier tax revenue under the Neighborhood Revitalization Plan. I honestly don't think you guys understand how it works. Over the 5 year life of the rebate the participant is only getting a total of 57% back. It's for 5 years. The rest of the life of the structure the NEW or ADDITIONAL portion is taxed at 100%. That is NEW and ADDITIONAL tax revenue to the county.
Quote from: patriotdad on September 12, 2012, 12:33:34 PM
The county or city or schools are not giving up 95% of thier tax revenue under the Neighborhood Revitalization Plan.
I never said anything to that effect at all. And in the end, if the county, city or school rebates 57% of the taxes paid over the first 5 years after construction of a taxable structure... that is revenue the city, county, school loses. There is no way around that fact. Every dollar the taxing authority gives back to any taxpayer is a dollar lost to the taxing entity. As for post-participation taxation.. those structures will be taxed at the depreciated (5 yr old) values. The lost revenues are still lost.
In a county where we have some of the highest mill levy's in Kansas, that all represents an unfair burden on the entire taxpayer base. Moreover, by setting the 'participation level' ay $20,000, the plan excludes a majority of taxpayers from participation from the outset. Let's stop copying the latest 'great new thing that everybody's doing' and look at other solutions... like learning to spend only what we have, controlling our expenses, & reducing tax rates as incentives to come to Elk County.
If the program entices someone to build a new structure or remodel a structure it is NEW. NEW. NEW. revenue for the county. They can't tax or increase tax on something that isn't there. It is not a loss to the county in the long run. It's not. For the first 5 year the county will get 43% NEW revenue and after the 5 years it 100% NEW revenue. Whether it depreciated or not it is new. I think your thinking way too short sighted on this.
Do you believe that every applicant was going to build or remodel whether the program is in place or not?
What do I believe? Here's a few personal opinions..
What I believe is the Kansas legislative intent for these programs to improve blighted inner city areas in the first place and their recommendation that they not be implemented on a county wide basis.
What I believe is the promotion of this plan to the general public doesn't even have the low quality of an Elk Konnected summer day camp promotion.
What I believe is that with the entry level expenditure requirement being set at $20,000 (Comm. Liebau wanted $40,000 or $50,000) two of our commissioners have no interest in these programs for the average property owner.
What I believe is that you, chuck and others can spin this any way you want, but there will still be revenue lost to the county & participating tax entities, all in favor of a few special interests.
What I believe is that the start date manipulations in the (as yet unapproved) program & taking of advanced 'applications' for the same are mainly to satisfy crony promises & to benefit a select few (like the fish farm/RV park development at 99 & 160 and others).
What I believe is that we have two commissioners who are out of touch with the vast majority of their constituents & have a spoiled rich kid approach to managing Elk County. As long as it's for a friend or with somebody else s money, damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead.
What I believe is that this program, the way it has been pushed & the way it's being sold stink to high heaven.
That's what I believe.
Quote from: Ross on September 11, 2012, 05:40:57 PM
What I am talking about as a Blue Ribbon School is all students getting a quality education not just a few that bring home some award or some ribbon. How about a school system that educates all children and bring home a blue ribbon for everyone in the system. What you are suggesting if only a few do exceptional everything is hunky-dory. I happen to disagree with you, okay!
I'm talking about the Excellence in Education Awards handed out - for reaching Exemplary Status (the highest) in several grades: 4, 5, 6, 8 and 11. Year after year! In math, science, reading, writing, history. A+ ratings.
That's kind of really across-the-board quality education.
Yes, I also mentioned the contests the kids go to: Our junior high and senior high math teams superb! And huge - 20-30 students participating at each level, not just a select few.
I understand you don't like David Whetstone or Liz Hendrichs. You don't have to. But don't knock the schools without knowing more about what they are doing. The education our students receive is consistently good. Give them credit. Our teachers are dedicated and do the best with what they have. Give them credit also.
Quote from: patriotdad on September 12, 2012, 09:23:29 AM
The school is a taxing entity. I'm sure they were discussing participating in the Neighborhood Revitalization program. The USD tax can be rebated the same as the county. And cities. Why don't you talk to your school board member instead of bashing Whetstone.
Yes sir they are a taxing entity, for the purpose of educating our children.
That is the purpose of the money, not for giving welfare to those that don't need it!
If they don't need the money for educating our children then perhaps they should reduce the property tax on everyone.
Or is it better to cheat the children out of the money to provide "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program that provides welfare in the form of rebates to those people that least need it?
Or, really there are enough children living in poverty here in Elk County, so if the school district does not need the money for education, perhaps the money could be used for the children living in poverty that need welfare, how does that sound. Otherwise this whole idea is simply about greed IMHO!
I'm not bashing Mr. Whetstone who happens to be involved in Elk Konnected, LLC along with two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, I was simply asking questions. We know as I have said before Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks is reading this and more then likely Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau because he has said my posts are
VILE, remember?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC, really?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC, really?
Aren't the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the Konnected President of the School Board actually part of the "Old Guard" Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks refered to in her open letter on the internet? Aren't they really trying to control the county as such? Really what is going on?
I understood Elk Konnected, LLC was suppose to be a community Organization, but I just don't see it that way, why do you suppose that is?
They seem to have an imaginary community called the Elk Konnected Community and I can't find the boundaries on the map.
All I seem to see them doing is begging for money in the form of donations or appliances.
And I believe they are behind the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program called Neighborhood Revitalization, which provide welfare in the form of rebates to people that don't want to pay their fair share of property taxes.
If the merchants in Elk County wish to continue to profit from me spending money in their establishments they will not use this program. Why? Why should I pay my fair share of property taxes and they don't? Why should I provide the dollars they need for a profit which are also used to pay their property taxes. Don't own a store, perhaps your relative does, same story. I will boycott and ask my friends to do the same. This Neighborhood Revitalization program could have detrimental effects on the local economy, huh? Let's call it Anti-Economic Development, shall we.
Let's see how that works out?
Quote from: patriotdad on September 12, 2012, 01:26:32 PM
If the program entices someone to build a new structure or remodel a structure it is NEW. NEW. NEW. revenue for the county.
The program appears to me being put in place for those already planning to build!
Just like the building all ready started in Elk Falls I believe that has already been started. Even though it has been said that the building was involuntarily registered for a program that does not exist. It appears the party building the structure was simply being used by someone. Why is that? Isn't it simply politics one would find in the big cities?
I'll be building a new barn but not based on some program but on need, my need?
Why would anyone build something based on this (welfare) rebate if they did not need it?
Why would any one build a house based on this (welfare) rebate if they didn't want or need it?
Your reasoning is flawed or you are simply trying to fool people, which is it?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 12, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
...Our teachers are dedicated and do the best with what they have...
Mom... I think your statement here sums it up pretty well. It's not about dedicated teachers. It's about what self-interested managers, administrators and politicians have done & are doing to hold them back. The more money we throw at administration, unions (and their policitical activities), at non-productive 'programs', the further our kids fall behind. Nationally, we are falling further & further behind. Not so much, I think, because of the failure of teachers, but because of special interests & 'new programs' that are pushed on teachers & kids alike.
I'll take an intelligent, dedicated teacher over an overpaid pencil pushing administrator or pandering politician any day. Cudos to good teachers who put education & thinking first & everything else second!
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 12, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
I'm talking about the Excellence in Education Awards handed out - for reaching Exemplary Status (the highest) in several grades: 4, 5, 6, 8 and 11. Year after year! In math, science, reading, writing, history. A+ ratings.
That's kind of really across-the-board quality education.
Out of 12 grades you are simply saying 5 grades are doing good. What about the other 7 grades? Now that is not even ½ of the school doing so good is it. That is only 42% would that be a passing grade for a student? If not how is that a passing grade for the school?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 12, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
Yes, I also mentioned the contests the kids go to: Our junior high and senior high math teams superb! And huge - 20-30 students participating at each level, not just a select few.
That is still not the overall school performance as you pointed out above, is it?
Are you suggesting there is no room for improvement at West Elk?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 12, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
Our teachers are dedicated and do the best with what they have.
So now we blame the kids, is that it?
What about the Special Education Program?
Couldn't it use the extra money they want to give away in the form of the (welfare) rebate program be used to bolster that Special Education Program?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on September 12, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
I understand you don't like David Whetstone or Liz Hendrichs. You don't have to. But don't knock the schools without knowing more about what they are doing. The education our students receive is consistently good. Give them credit. Our teachers are dedicated and do the best with what they have. Give them credit also.
You don't understand anything in my opinion! I have nothing personal against either David Whetstone or Liz Hendricks they are elected officials that both have jobs to do for all the citizens of Elk County not just for Elk connected. They are both politicians and if a citizen does not think they are doing the job for the position they hold, that citizen has every right to point it out.
I wasn't knocking the school or the kids, I was talking about the school board president, please try to keep it straight. It's the job of the school board to use our tax dollars efficiently to educated each and every child, not to side with Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners on County political issues. Where is the line drawn?
Give me a break, but hey, you are entitled to you opinion just as I am.
What is a Blue Ribbon School?
The National Blue Ribbon Schools Program recognizes public and private elementary, middle and high schools where students perform at very high levels or where significant improvements are being made in students' levels of academic achievement. Since 1982, the U.S. Department of Education's National Blue Ribbon Schools Program has honored America's most successful public and private elementary, middle, and high schools. A National Blue Ribbon Schools flag waving overhead has become a trademark of excellence, a symbol of quality recognized by everyone from parents to policy-makers in thousands of communities. In its 30 year history, the U. S. Department of Education has bestowed this coveted award on nearly 7,000 of America's schools.
Shouldn't this be the goal of the School Board instead of giving money away?
FYI Blue Ribbon Schools in Kansas are listed at http://www.publicschoolreview.com/blueribbon_schools/stateid/KS
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 02:37:17 PM
I'll take an intelligent, dedicated teacher over an overpaid pencil pushing administrator or pandering politician any day. Cudos to good teachers who put education & thinking first & everything else second!
I have teachers in my family. In fact I have two that are married but retired now. She was an excellent, dedicated, and cared for her students. She provided extra for children with problems. However, I can't say the same for her husband.
But I don't believe either one would agree with this (welfare) rebate programm that would deprive the school of the necessary funds to improve their Special Education Program or their regular Education program.
I don;t believe any teacher worth their salt would agree of short changing the children that way.
This chapter, at least for West Elk, USD 282, is closed... for now: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14344.msg196386/topicseen.html#msg196386 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14344.msg196386/topicseen.html#msg196386)
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 03:17:49 PM
This chapter, at least for West Elk, USD 282, is closed... for now: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14344.msg196386/topicseen.html#msg196386 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14344.msg196386/topicseen.html#msg196386)
Great news!
Kudos for the School Board.
Sorry Konnected David Whetstone!
An elected entity showing some common sense!
Do I hear three cheers for the school board ?
Hip Hip Hoorray! Hip Hip Hoorray! Hip Hip Hoorray!
Ross you are a true idiot. Patriot you seem to think you are always right and everyone else is misinformed.
Quote from: proelkco on September 12, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
Ross you are a true idiot. Patriot you seem to think you are always right and everyone else is misinformed.
Sorry you feel that way. The fact, I know several Elk County residents who are quite well informed and who agree change is needed. You seem to think that just by engaging in personal attacks and name calling with no support for your invectives and arguments that you somehow will silence those who disagree with local government or the status quo. History would seem to prove that your view regarding the effectiveness of intimidation incorrect. How about you try that lame approach against Warph and his views of Obummer. I doubt he will stop either. LOL
Now, about the use of county resources & positions by county employees and/or elected officials to promote the activities & image of a private company. Is that acceptable?
Ross, are you assuming all grades are tested? Newark Charter is a Blue Ribbon School and yes, I'm bragging.
Quote from: proelkco on September 12, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
Ross you are a true idiot.
Why thank you! Your opinion is highly regarded. LOL
Quote from: proelkco on September 12, 2012, 04:04:37 PM
Patriot you seem to think you are always right and everyone else is misinformed.
I agree with you proelkco Patriot does seem to always be right! Do you suppose it's because of all his factual statements that you can not disprove?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks only has two Konnected members on the school board and therefore lacks control, too bad.
You have told us time and time again that you do not know who is a member of Elk Konnected. And read correctly please I said Patriot SEEMS TO THINK he is always right.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 12, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
Ross, are you assuming all grades are tested?
No I am not assuming anything. The actual point was th eschool board should concentrate on the education of the children and not be involved in County politics. And I am proud of those that chose to do just that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 12, 2012, 04:28:31 PM
Newark Charter is a Blue Ribbon School and yes, I'm bragging.
Yes by all means you should be proud.
I believe West Elk could do the same thing if the school board studied on it.
But let's get back to the real subject of this thread.
I believe we need to replace the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with non-Konnected County Commissioners.
Try these guys, please. Check them out! Talk with them!
What ever it takes to assure your vote or not!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually a Positive Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: proelkco on September 12, 2012, 04:47:01 PM
You have told us time and time again that you do not know who is a member of Elk Konnected. And read correctly please I said Patriot SEEMS TO THINK he is always right.
I believe its not that he seems to think, but that he obviously is right most of the time. Based on actions by "local government" when compared to "constitutional process". There is a guideline that government has to follow by law, and anytime it does not (for example, the rules of order) which you know they do not use, the ethical rules about mixing public money with private enterprise money, and so on and so on.
Just because one party holds the majority in a government council does not give them exemption from the rules that regulate what you can and cannot do in any party.
Quote from: proelkco on September 12, 2012, 04:47:01 PM
You have told us time and time again that you do not know who is a member of Elk Konnected. And read correctly please I said Patriot SEEMS TO THINK he is always right.
Touchy aren't we.
I don't know who they are, that is true. Except for a very few.
The rest if there are more keep hidden, why? What do they have to fear?
But I had heard, there was a second Konnected member on the school board and, two of the school board
voted for, what the school board should not be involved in, in my opinion, and the rest of the school board apparently agrees.
Just not enough Konnected members to control the school board is there?
Where on the other hand, the County Commission has two Konnected members that have two out of three votes, that are needed for that control, right?
I think we need a couple of guys that are not Konnected in those two seats. Two guys that will represent the County as a whole and not a privately owned company. A couple of guys that would be good company for Mr. Ritz. Don't you think? Wouldn't that be a positive change?
Or would you prefer the status quo with Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in total control? Why are you so negative about positive change ?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Now that it appears, that Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Kontrol county government with two out of three votes and that the Konnected School Board president supports the same activity within the school board, with maybe another member voting to support the County governmentsprogram, what I call the welfare Program, know as the Neighborhood Revitalization Program with tax rebates/welfare for those that least need it.
Let's review some of the ideas of Elk Konnected, LLC provided to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners plus one Commissioner.
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
In the Financial category: Lowering taxes will help with the creation of jobs and the act of lowering taxes will benefit all residents that pay taxes. It will also create a more business friendly environment. Paying off debt will also decrease the tax burden. It was also agreed that banking a certain percentage of the income is needed.
Where are the lower property taxes. Is this just another failure of Elk Konnected?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
What does "Centralized" mean? Doesn't it mean
Howard?Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Improved/more housing (Big Idea's)
How many houses do we need vacant and up for sale in Elk County?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Certify/Train a group of local residents to work on wind mills - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
What business is the county government in? I'm sure it is not in the windmill repair business? I bet this was a function of the company that built the wind farm.
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
What does, "Centrally Located" mean? Doesn't it mean
Howard?Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Drug Test before can get food stamps or welfare - 1 (Idea's)
Just what authority does Elk County Government or Elk Konnected have over food stamps and drug testing? I understand the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want welfare called rebates with their Neighborhood Revitalization Program for those that least need welfare? But that is a different thingy?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Spend within our budget - l(Idea's)
What? How? Who is Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company to have a say over our County Government? Oh, that's right two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the controlling vote isn't it?
Really, this is a no-brainer if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners just consider it when doing their jobs at the County Commissioners meetings and stop robbing Peter to pay Paul, don't ya reckon?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Really total control of Elk County by a single group of people? No city governments, wow!
Would that be like the Kontrol by the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the Kontrolling votes on the County Commissioners Board.
"all centrally located-one managing body" Wouldn't that "centrally located" once again be in
Howard? I would/could vision all the individual communities population shrink even faster because of a thingy of this sort, can't you? I would/could vision the shrink even faster of the population of Elk County, can't you? What's positive about this idea?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
This probably represents more of what I think of Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Kontrol as a unified government. Don't you see it? Raise taxes on those least likely to be able to afford the higher taxes and give special tax breaks to those that least need it, in the form of welfare called rebates through the Neighborhood Revitalization program?
Makes perfect sense doesn't it?
As I understand it the County is still accepting applications for the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program, that does not exist, it's as if they plan to pass it, no matter what. Do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners even care what the majority of tax payers want or have to say?
I doubt it.
They count on the fact that you will re-elect them, and the fact that
when they hold hearings on the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program,
that you won't show up, because there will be
no lollipops. But I think, I can safely say that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will have plenty of
their supporters there, that want
welfare/rebates.So guess what, the average property taxpayer will lose, again. My opinion is this will all lead to yet higher property taxes for everyone, except, for those on the welfare/rebate program.
Why do you suppose I and others--------------have recieved threats on this thread?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------don't want you to know what is really going on?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------don't want the truth out there?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------thought it would shut us up?
Just food for thought.
Make your own decisions, that's what this is all about.
Pleas get your friends out to vote in November.
I'm just hoping we all vote for a better Elk County.
Ross, just for review, I went back AGAIN and reread the first page of this more than year old thread(and several hundred others). Then I reread what you just wrote.
That list of ideas you commented on was generated by the residents who went to that first gathering. EK may have provided the written list to the commissioners at a meeting, but the ideas were from residents of Elk County. The residents who wrote them all are not here to explain things like "centralized". Please ask the writer what he/she meant. Same with "spend within our budget" and drug testing before food stamps.
You'd have to ask the writers of all the ideas, which is all they were, freewheeling ideas, what they had in mind.
Why are you spelling with Ks, are you being suggestive? Not everyone thinks the Kommunist Konnection is Kute.
Oh and before I forget, please list those threats you received, I don't remember seeing them. Just curious...freedom of speech and all that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Not everyone things the Kommunist Konection is Kute.
Baaaad Computer, now the K key is acting up.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Ross, just for review, I went back AGAIN and reread the first page of this more than year old thread(and several hundred others). Then I reread what you just wrote.
That list of ideas you commented on was generated by the residents who went to that first gathering.
Where do you get your information, I promise you, your information source is wrong!
If you were not half way across the continent you might have a clue as to what happens in Elk County.
It was not the first gathering as you call it. Who says the list was generated by the residents? Who is to say the list wasn't generated behind closed doors? Why was everything so secretive at the so called Kommunity Konversation that was more like a three ring circus IMHO! Where are the names of the people that suggested this stuff? There is absolutely no proof that the list was generated by anyone else other then Elk Konnected, LLC, if there is please provide such proof.
Are we all lemmings and suppose to believe all the words coming out of politicians mouths?
I suppose that describes you, does it? You believe everything you are told, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
EK may have provided the written list to the commissioners at a meeting, but the ideas were from residents of Elk County.
Not only did Elk Konnected, LLC provide the written list but they were supported in such action by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in providing that list to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and one non-Konnected County Commissioner, do you understand that? But what residents, names please, wrote what? Can't provide any names right? Because of secrecy and control, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
The residents who wrote them all are not here to explain things like "centralized". Please ask the writer what he/she meant. Same with "spend within our budget" and drug testing before food stamps.
What resident wrote it? You don't know and I don't know, do we?
There is no proof that any individual at the Kommunity Konversation wrote it is there?
You just keep proving the point of this whole thread, keep up the good work!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
You'd have to ask the writers of all the ideas, which is all they were, freewheeling ideas, what they had in mind.
To try to attempt to remove City Councils for a Centraized Unified Government is far from free a wheeling idea. To suggest it as a free wheeling idea is to suggest that the residents of Elk County are ignorant. It is ludicrous to even suggest that, IMHO!
You continue to prove the point of this whole thread, and the reason the list was posted here. Keep up the good work!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Why are you spelling with Ks, are you being suggestive? Not everyone things the Kommunist Konection is Kute.
Kommunist Konnection, what? Are you nuts? Are you Suggesting that if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner uses "K" that there is a Kommunist Konnection? What tree did you fall out of? I think that is just faulty comprehension! I might consider them sneaky but never Kommunists, that IMHO would be as Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau would say,
"VILE"Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
Oh and before I forget, please list those threats you received, I don't remember seeing them. Just curious...freedom of speech and all that.
I'm sorry I don't have time for that! It's all here in the thread!
I suggest you take a refresher course in reading comprehension and go back and re-read the thread.
By the way Diane I enjoy your posts when they are on subject and read more like Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks defending the organization she founded.
Good Job. No ranting and no raving about spelling and such.
This crazy old redneck hick thanks you for that.
Oh, a short story about lollipops for fun.
I went to the bank in Howard today and while there I received a lollipop, which I enjoyed. I stopped on my way home and visited a friend and he had a good belly laugh on me. After may remarks on this thread about lollipops, he is laughing and laughing and says, You come walking in here with a lollipop. You got your lollipop Ross! I laughed right along with him after giving it a moments thought. It's true laughter is good medicine. Don't ya think?
Laughter is a wonderful thing when all are laughing and it's not at one person's expense.
By the way, my information came from your very own first page.
You were the one who explained where the ideas came from, April 26,2011. As far as who wrote the ideas ,you can't prove that the residents didn't write them. Several people in later posts, who were also there, attested to how the ideas were gathered.
Remember, you had gone because they weren't running the meeting, conversation or whatever they called it, the way you wanted it to be run. Or, so you wrote, and I was told later by people who were there for the entire thing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 14, 2012, 03:26:30 PM
By the way, my information came from your very own first page.
You were the one who explained where the ideas came from, April 26,2011. As far as who wrote the ideas ,you can't prove that the residents didn't write them. Several people in later posts, who were also there, attested to how the ideas were gathered.
Remember, you had gone because they weren't running the meeting, conversation or whatever they called it, the way you wanted it to be run. Or, so you wrote, and I was told later by people who were there for the entire thing.
You are operating on hearsay and can show no proof!
I explained what we were told and what we are expected as lemmings to believe, nothing more.
I wasn't about to write any un-truths or omitt anything to prove my points.
Honesty is the best policy. Hearsay is not!
I just hope people can deterimine the difference for themselves and have open discussions about what is happening here in Elk County with their friends and relatives.
I ask them to discuss the Konnected President of the School Board bringing county politics into the school system for a vote. And the fact that those school board members that were not Konnected voted it down. (The
proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program) This should be a stron signal to the Konnected Kounty Kmmissioners but my guess is they will ignore it.
I heard today that the Konnected President of the School Board was very mad about the board voting it down!
He truely has my sympathies, if he does not comprehend, why that happened!
That is why I suggest voting out the incumbents! I feel that Elk Konnected, LLC is far more important to them then the rest of the citizens and voters and property taxpayers of Elk County. Now, that right there is something to really discuss amongst themselves.
Quote from: Ross on September 14, 2012, 06:40:02 AM
Now that it appears, that Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Kontrol county government with two out of three votes and that the Konnected School Board president supports the same activity within the school board, with maybe another member voting to support the County governmentsprogram, what I call the welfare Program, know as the Neighborhood Revitalization Program with tax rebates/welfare for those that least need it.
Let's review some of the ideas of Elk Konnected, LLC provided to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners plus one Commissioner.
Where are the lower property taxes. Is this just another failure of Elk Konnected?
What does "Centralized" mean? Doesn't it mean Howard?
How many houses do we need vacant and up for sale in Elk County?
What business is the county government in? I'm sure it is not in the windmill repair business? I bet this was a function of the company that built the wind farm.
What does, "Centrally Located" mean? Doesn't it mean Howard?
Just what authority does Elk County Government or Elk Konnected have over food stamps and drug testing? I understand the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want welfare called rebates with their Neighborhood Revitalization Program for those that least need welfare? But that is a different thingy?
What? How? Who is Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company to have a say over our County Government? Oh, that's right two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the controlling vote isn't it?
Really, this is a no-brainer if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners just consider it when doing their jobs at the County Commissioners meetings and stop robbing Peter to pay Paul, don't ya reckon?
Really total control of Elk County by a single group of people? No city governments, wow!
Would that be like the Kontrol by the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the Kontrolling votes on the County Commissioners Board.
"all centrally located-one managing body" Wouldn't that "centrally located" once again be in Howard? I would/could vision all the individual communities population shrink even faster because of a thingy of this sort, can't you? I would/could vision the shrink even faster of the population of Elk County, can't you? What's positive about this idea?
This probably represents more of what I think of Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Kontrol as a unified government. Don't you see it? Raise taxes on those least likely to be able to afford the higher taxes and give special tax breaks to those that least need it, in the form of welfare called rebates through the Neighborhood Revitalization program?
Makes perfect sense doesn't it?
As I understand it the County is still accepting applications for the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program, that does not exist, it's as if they plan to pass it, no matter what. Do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners even care what the majority of tax payers want or have to say?
I doubt it.
They count on the fact that you will re-elect them, and the fact that when they hold hearings on the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program, that you won't show up, because there will be no lollipops. But I think, I can safely say that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will have plenty of their supporters there, that want welfare/rebates.
So guess what, the average property taxpayer will lose, again. My opinion is this will all lead to yet higher property taxes for everyone, except, for those on the welfare/rebate program.
Why do you suppose I and others--------------have recieved threats on this thread?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------don't want you to know what is really going on?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------don't want the truth out there?
Could it be perhaps the Followers--------------thought it would shut us up?
Just food for thought.
Make your own decisions, that's what this is all about.
Pleas get your friends out to vote in November.
I'm just hoping we all vote for a better Elk County.
Why do you suppose I and others--------------have recieved threats on this thread?Ross can you please provide proof for your paranoid delusions?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 14, 2012, 09:47:47 PM
Why do you suppose I and others-------------have recieved threats on this thread?
Ross can you please provide proof for your paranoid delusions?
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I'm sorry, I can not
"provide proof for your paranoid delusions?" because, I have no paranoid
delusions. what kind of a request is that ? Are you college educated or a simple redneck hick like me? It sounds to me that you have the qualities of a few other bullies on this thread/ And bullying shows a certain lack of ability to communicate and an attempt to hide the truth from being known. Bullies also use confusion and misdirection and anger frequently in an attempt to hide the truth. Nice try , but it has failed. The truth is through out this thread and you can not erase it.
However, if you have read this thread with an inkling of comprehension you have read the threats. I will suggest if you missed them take the time to re-read the thread.
Oops, I apologize, I just checked your stats and you are new here on the forum. You just signed on, on September 09, 2012, 11:12:57 pm and have 15 posts. You really have not read this thread have you. I would suggest that perhaps you read these post from the beginning and learn what has taken place over the last year and a half before calling people names. Unless of course your calling names and throwing confusion into the topic is your only interest.
Let me remind you in your own words YOU said:Quote from: Fire Elk on September 13, 2012, 06:53:19 PM
You all have too much free time on your hands! You all need to go outside and play. You spend too much time on the computer. Sorry, for the poor intro. but you all are really petty and mean to each other. Thought I would join the club for one post.
I do believe your own words apply more to you then anyone else on the forum, expecially being a newbie with
no respect for open honest dialog. Please try again!
Don't you agree that Elk County could use some positive change?
How about some of you Elk Konnected, LLC Followers Don't you believe in positive change?
Of Course you do, right?
So let's get out there and vote for some positive Change, Okay? Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
I was at the Community meeting in Moline that this thread is about. Yes we all were sitting at different tables. Yes we were asked to sit with people that we did not see all the time. The reason was so we could talk and hear about new ideas. I was not told what to say. As I stated before Mrs. Mills presented the list of ideas to the commissioners as an individual not as anyone else. Mr. Ross you have plenty of time to type about what is important to you but will not show Diane where all these threats are?
It looks like you're going along to get along. Perhaps you're sold on them and their system.
Are you looking for a program or money from the government?
You sure don't like the kind of stand that Ross is making.
Ross stay right in there.
No I went to the meeting to hear and learn from other Elk County Residents. No I am not looking for a program or money from the government. Do you live in Elk County Redcliffsw?
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
I was at the Community meeting in Moline that this thread is about. Yes we all were sitting at different tables. Yes we were asked to sit with people that we did not see all the time. The reason was so we could talk and hear about new ideas. I was not told what to say. As I stated before Mrs. Mills presented the list of ideas to the commissioners as an individual not as anyone else. Mr. Ross you have plenty of time to type about what is important to you but will not show Diane where all these threats are?
Go look up delphi technique. Then you will see what the deal is
I do not need to look it up. It absolutely is not about that. Different deal.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 12:00:42 PM
I do not need to look it up. It absolutely is not about that. Different deal.
Uh huh.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
I was at the Community meeting in Moline that this thread is about.
That's nice! How amny people got pissed at the way the so called Community Conversation was run? How many people walked out because it was not a Community Conversation but instead a twenty five ring circus with a circus ring master running the show. And if you did not perform they way he wanted you to, you were not welcome.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
Yes we all were sitting at different tables.
No, the circus ringmaster had circles of chairs and most likely an assistant in each ring.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
Yes we were asked to sit with people that we did not see all the time. The reason was so we could talk and hear about new ideas.
You were told not to sit with your spouse and not to sit with your family and not to sit with your friend. You were told if someone had the same little kindergarten star on their name tag to get up and move to another circle and to continue moving until you were not sitting with someone you knew. Didn't you follow the rules like a good little lemming for the circus ring master?
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
I was not told what to say.
Oh, but you were, perhaps you just didn't recognize it! They told you to only talk about positive things. That made you a good boy for them.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
As I stated before Mrs. Mills presented the list of ideas to the commissioners as an individual not as anyone else.
Now you are twisting things real bad, shame on you! It matter not who delivered the list, Santa Clause could have delivered the list or the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy, don't you see beyond, what they want you to see?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Community Conversation Committee Report
Who but the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners called for Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company to call and hold this suppose to be Community Conversation?
It was also this privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC that provided the report that was handed over to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. They appear to be one and the same. To me they appear to be "The Old Guard" in a new dress! To me they appear to be a good old boys club! And they won't deny appearance, hunnn!
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 10:25:24 AM
Mr. Ross you have plenty of time to type about what is important to you but will not show Diane where all these threats are?
You sir have no idea what I have time for!
Diane claims to be highly educated and therefore capable of doing her own reading, don't you think?
Besides, I explained to her all she has to do is read this thread.
So why are you crying about this issue you and her are making?
Are the two of you too lazy to read what is in front of you?
While we are here let's discuss that proposed program "Neighborhood
Revitalization Program"? Do you suppose that is another brilliant idea of Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and the County Economic Development Employee? You know the employee that Elk Konnected, LLC suggested that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hire, yea that one? Do you suppose she informed them that if citizens feel that certain people are in effect Boycotting paying their fair share of property taxes via the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" and it offer of welfare called a rebate, that perhaps the citizens might boycott some business's? Do you reckon she might have informed the drastic results from such actions? I mean with the very small population in Elk County each business needs every customer they have to stay in business don't they? What do you suppose losing 10 or 20% of their business would do to them? Isn't that something to consider? I spend a lot of money in Elk County that could just as easily be spent elsewhere. And I'm sure more people then what went to that so called Community Conversation might just feel the same way.
Something to think about isn't it?
That meeting followed the classsic lines of the delphi technic, not a different deal at all.
Learn here: http://www.freedomadvocates.org/images/pdf/how%20to%20handle%20predetermined%20consensus%20meetings.pdf
Ross, poke poke, ;D you can't talk about the neighborhood revitalization here ...it's off topic! :police:
Srkruzich I think his is another one of those different thingy's I've read about in this thread.
Nothing new to learn or consider, I suppose.
Just follow the leader and bow down to a few.
I saw 4 people leave but have no idea why. I was not at a circus, I was at a very interesting meeting. I was never told where I could sit or what to talk about. It was a suggestion to sit with people you do not visit with often. Are you calling Mrs.Mills and all the Commissioners a liar?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 15, 2012, 12:30:43 PM
Ross, poke poke, ;D you can't talk about the neighborhood revitalization here ...it's off topic! :police:
No poke, poke there.
You are terribly wrong once again.
The proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization" is very strongly tied into the Konnected Kounty Economic Development Employee and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners which are tied in with the privately owned company known as Elk Konnected, LLC.
Just where does Elk Konnected, LLC end and government of the people, for the people and by the people begin?
So doesn't it make since tovote out Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and Konnected, Kounty Kommissioner Liebau and vote in two independent thinkers that don't have a clan of visionaries doing their thinking.
I think, I know two guys that fit that bill. Try these guys:
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Anyone with any common sense can see you hate Elk Konnected and think they are out to destroy Elk Co. so why bother even trying to converse with you. Try not being so hateful and see people as they truly are.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 12:34:32 PM
I saw 4 people leave but have no idea why. I was not at a circus, I was at a very interesting meeting. I was never told where I could sit or what to talk about. It was a suggestion to sit with people you do not visit with often.
I think you must be in denial or did not understand what the man from Leoti, Kansas was saying? I have hearing loss and I heard him perfectly.
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 12:34:32 PM
Are you calling Mrs.Mills
What a cheap shot! I happen to know Mrs. Mills and I admire and respect her.
Shame on you!
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 12:34:32 PM
and all the Commissioners a liar?
Let's take them one at a time, Okay?
County Commissioner Ritz, not Konnected (Big point) honest and trustworthy and respectable. No, I wouldn't call him a liar.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau, no I would not call him a liar, that would be vile. However, some of his recent reactions at the County commissioners meeting leave much to be considered.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks founder of Elk Konnected, LLC , no Konflict of interest there is there? Would I call her a liar, hell no. I know, that is what you want me to do, but that is indecent. I have however, told her right here on this thread that, I don't trust her. And she respond by saying the same thing back at me. Which by the way was fine with me, after all, she is entitled to her opinion -- even if she doesn't know me.
The term Liar is a very strong term and should not just be thrown around, don't you agree? And while we are at it, how about you drop the hate talk? It is very non-productive and
vile. Thank you.
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, to aid Mr. Ritz what do you say?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2012, 12:54:57 PM
Anyone with any common sense can see you hate Elk Konnected and think they are out to destroy Elk Co. so why bother even trying to converse with you. Try not being so hateful and see people as they truly are.
You sure seem to have an affinity for words such as hate and liar and such. Is that in an Elk konnected, LLC Followers job discription?
The term Liar is a very strong term and should not just be thrown around, don't you agree? And while we are at it, how about you drop the hate talk? It is very non-productive and vile. Thank you.
Of course, I don't care for Elk Konnected, LLC's ties to our county Government. Their ties are very questionable?
And their secreacy, if they are truely a Community Organization, why so many secrets fro the Commuity?
Why are they afraid to have an open and honest dialog?
And why do the Followers always say such ugly things? What is the real problem that you all have? What do you say we cease with the hate talk, it is non-productive.
Why are all of you against a positive change in County Government? Is it you are afraid you will lose control of the county?
If not lets go with POSITIVE change/ Let's hear you say something positive about these two guys, okay? Can you do it?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Typo or not, you just did call Mr. Leibau a liar. Better be extra careful if you want to be taken seriously, Ross.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 15, 2012, 01:42:35 PM
Typo or not, you just did call Mr. Leibau a liar. Better be extra careful if you want to be taken seriously, Ross.
Thank you Diane for the heads up, be it so sarcastic and disingenuous, I appreciate the heads up.
I corrected it, however I do believe anyone reading the statment would recognize from the rest of the statement exactly what I meant.
But thanks just the same.
I am human and subject to make spelling errors and typos, and I believe most people can recognize and understand that?
Can we hear some kind words from you or any of the other Elk Konnected, LLC Followers about:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Do you know when you are being used?
Check this out and learn how you can be used without your knowledge.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14363.0.html
Let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
I have tried in erenst to get some answers concerning our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Elk Konnected, LLC and our County Employee labeled the Youth Development Coordinator and her Konnection with Elk Konnected. LLC with no real answers. I will not give up, some honest answers are worth the effort IMHO. Why do you suppose that is that there are no answers? Why do we even pay for the position, Youth Development Coordinator. just what the heck does that mean? Her title, I believe use to be Youth Development Employee. So, how does she earn my tax dollars year round. Last spring, I asked at the County Commissioners Meeting, why there was nothing happening for the youth of Elk County. There was alot of stumbling arround about the question and then finally, the, what I concidered the contrived answer. We will be showing some movies. Whoopie, where is the youth development in watching a movie? Are the youth of Elk County only 12 years old and under. What about the youth between 12 and 18? Just wht are we paying for. It appears, that our youth development employee spends more time working for Elk Konnected, LLC then for Elk County and she is on their Steeering Committe (Board of Directors). Why don't we realease her to Elk Konnected, LLC and let them pay her wages? Oh, I know why, we have Konnected Kounty Kommissioners with the controlling votes, right?
I do believe the whole mess has been properly connected with certain elements in Elk County and that I believe are practicing Plutocracy also known as Plutonomy.
What is Plutocracy, well it is a controlling class of the wealthy.
This November is a chance to clear our county of such attitude, a chance to get decent people in the commissioners seats that will amplify Mr. Ritz's ideals and propriety of Elk County first and not some little private company, with control of our county government through the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners votes required to approve an item.
I sure hope the citizens of Elk County can see the great and positive attributes of having three independent thinkers with their interest in what is, in best interest for the whole county.
We as a county have the opportunity to make this a reality.
There are two very good men just waiting to join Mr. Ritz.
I have politely asked the Konnected Followers to say something nice about these two guys, but get nothing. Why do you suppose that is? Where is the great and positive attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Don't the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners want a great and positive change for Elk County?
It's beginning to look to me, like they have a very negative attitude toward change in Elk County, don't you think so too?
Why won'y yhry say something nice about these two fine fellas?
Is it because there are no Konnected Followers?
Could it perhaps be, because they don't respect people, that are not wealthy?
Is it because, these guys are not members of a plutocracy? (Sort of redundant.)
Is it possible, it's because the gentlemen don't belong to a click?
Well, I'm trying to get around all that neg!ative attitude with some very positively good information.
We have two men that are very interested, IMHO, in what is best for the County as a whole.
You see, only having an interest in a certain area of the county, causes an imbalance, and could leave certain areas in more pain then other areas.
I believe, these gentlemen probably feel the same way. I don't believe either one would diss a couple of communities as Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks has, on the internet in the form of an open letter. Which, I feel was done for the purpose of self gain.
We need just the opposite attitude of the present Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, we need a good and proper positive attitude in county government if the County is to grow into the 21st Century.
I believe these two gentlemen along with Mr. Ritz can give us the good and proper positive attitude which is very important.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
That's "clique" Ross.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 16, 2012, 04:02:41 PM
That's "clique" Ross.
Don;t clique me, I'm an individual. LOL
You're right that's what they are.
But I'm just a redneck hick what do I know?
That's why all the questions!
And I guess, that's why the questions go unanswered, because the click of beggars, don't want us to know nothing.
But that's all the more reason people should get out there and vote the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and click out of office.
So now they are "Elk Klicknected" ?
Sorry, my bad! (so is my humor)
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on September 17, 2012, 05:50:43 PM
So now they are "Elk Klicknected" ?
Sorry, my bad! (so is my humor)
ready
I love it Ready! LOL
Well let see, now that I could qualify for the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program, I have been told that it has been rewritten and that barns don't qualify. How weird is that? Not that I would apply for welfare, disguised as a tax rebate anyway.
But out of curiosity, I went to the County web site to read the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program and could not find it? I know, I know, I'm blind in one eye and can't see out of the other. So if someone else can find it please let me know, thanks. I find it rather weird that it is missing, where is all that population growth going to come from?
So, on I continued and I reviewed some of the applications I received from the county appraiser or assessor and the one, I really noticed was the one from the man involved in the Elk County Enterprise Zone Program. That is what it says at the top of the page. It is also rubber stamped received by the Elk County Appraiser on Oct 26, 2011.( I wish them man well in his business endeavors and perhaps someday I may use his services) Now that date is way, way, way before this new proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program and they just choose to roll it over into the new program? What's with that? What are they really doing, are they running a con? The reason, I ask is, there is a picture with this application that shows framework for the structure and it appears to be the complete framework and it is dated Nov 7, 2011. To top all that off, I have heard the man building the structure did not okay being rolled over into the program. So again, I ask what are they pulling? Is it a con? Are the connected Kounty Kommissioners behind this?
Oh and the value listed on the form is listed twice as estimated at $12,500 and $15,000.
I thought the qualifying amount is $20,000, so why would they roll this over into the Neighborhood Revitalization Program when it does nt meet the minimum requirement?
Is it a con?
Why did they take down the posting of the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program? What is happening? Does anyone know?
I'd like some answers, wouldn't you? But the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners refuse to talk with us and they know, we know, they are reading every post on this thread! The last I think we heard from Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks was when we were discussing the $85,000 in her organizations coffers. It seemed, she got upset about something and just won't have an honest and open dialog any longer. I wonder how much profit they made on the sale of the Wellness Center, just curious. Because everything was given to them wouldn't they make 100% profit on it's sale? Just curious becausing of all the begging for donations to start yet another business. I wonder how long it will last until they sell everything for another profit?
Anyway, I'd like some new county commissioners, wouldn't you? Some commissioners that don't wear so many hat's, they can't keep them straight.
Think about it!
Talk it up!
So, let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Does it not seem strange that a person is enrolled in a non-approved program and that person isn't even aware that they are enrolled? I wonder, who signed the application? Stated value less than the required investment to participate? Backroom planning and off the radar dealings?
Surely none of our leadership would operate that way! Or would they?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14345.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14345.0.html)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14250.msg195126.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14250.msg195126.html)
Obama style transparency? You decide.
If one can't be trusted with the small things, how can they be trusted with the large things? Just wonderin.
Ross, do me and yourself a favor. Stop with your posts trying to berate the incumbent commissioners to talk to you on this forum. In my opinion the reasons the two commissioners, Mr. Lear for sheriff, Mr. Wunderlich, and Mr. Hebb do not participate here on the forum is the negative tone here on the forum. I like you have not cleared my thoughts with either of them. Since I do support one of the people you have mentioned, I ask you please don't ruin it for my canidate. You are welcome to your opinions but please, refrain from trying to suggest they or their supporters agree with you. I don't think you are doing the canidates any favors. I don't expect you to stop what you are doing. Just asking you to consider how you might be harming the folks you support with the tone of your posts.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
Ross, do me and yourself a favor. Stop with your posts trying to berate the incumbent commissioners to talk to you on this forum.
Who is berating? I'm simply asking questions? You talk like a true politician, could you please tell me how asking questions is berationg. Please don't be so obscure!
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
In my opinion the reasons the two commissioners, Mr. Lear for sheriff, Mr. Wunderlich, and Mr. Hebb do not participate here on the forum is the negative tone here on the forum. I like you have not cleared my thoughts with either of them.
You are entitled to your opinion sir. But I believe you as other Konnected Followers are simply saying quit asking for the truth. Quit asking the Konnected Kommissioners to come clean with some honest answers, that's my opinion. Let's hide the Konnection right, isn't that what you want?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
Since I do support one of the people you have mentioned, I ask you please don't ruin it for my canidate.
Aw, you said please! Give me a break, if you support someone other then the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners why are you hiding it? Don't you have something decent to say about either of the candidates running against the incumbents? If you believe change would be good for Elk County can't you say that? But that would be contrary to the Great Konnected ones wouldn't it? Are you in favor of their plan to provide welfare to those in the county that least need it in the form of a tax rebate through the proposed Neighbor Revitalization Program? Please some honest answers?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
You are welcome to your opinions but please, refrain from trying to suggest they or their supporters agree with you. I don't think you are doing the canidates any favors.
I have never suggested anyone agrees with me, sir! That is your suggestion right here in this paragraph, don't you see that? I strongly advocate that they think for their selves and I suggest they vote for positive change. But it is totally their decision. I don't have the supposed power of an organization, I am but a free thinking individual, who does not claim to offer miracles or lollipops. You say, "I don't think you are doing the canidates any favors." And I ask, which candidates do I owe favors to? Do you think I owe the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners favors and if so why?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I don't expect you to stop what you are doing. Just asking you to consider how you might be harming the folks you support with the tone of your posts.
Good thinking, just because you think you can suggest I stop posting, that I am going to, is just wrong? You just don't get it. Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks as founder of Elk Konnnected, LLC said she would be using this forum as Elk Konnected, LLC to communicate with Elk County residents. She did for awhile right here on this thread, but now refuses to have an open and honest dialog. Now, that is what I consider the bad tone of this thread, We know that both of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are reading this thread, so if anything I have said or asked is out of line, they could speak up and answer the questions couldn't they. They could set the tone to the correct volume and balance.
I don't believe anything I could do or say would harm the two candidates for County Commissioner running against the incumbents. Why, you may ask? Because they are decent straight forward gentlemen and I think their reputations would supersede any harm I could do them either accidentally or intentionally. And sir the simple fact that they think for themselves and not let a privately owned company think for them is an extra valuable quality.
So you see, sir, you are totally entitled to your opinion and I to my opinion.
But those tone's are you hearing, is your keyboard or computer humming? I'm sorry, I couldn't resist!
The following is a pretty positive attitude, don't you agree?
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Hey Ross. You"heard" something about the man building the structure? So who talked to you? The Elk County Citizens need names, otherwise it's just hearsay.You told me that yourself! Gotcha! ;)
So what good and wonderful new things are your candidates going to do for Elk County? It seems to me that all the candidates running are good people.How are your voters to decide? How can people vote against candidates when they don't know what the challengers have to offer that would be better? People need specifics they can get behind.
Diane, who are you supporting in Elk County?
Red who are you supporting in Elk Co.? Do you live in Elk Co.?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
Hey Ross. You"heard" something about the man building the structure? So who talked to you? The Elk County Citizens need names, otherwise it's just hearsay.You told me that yourself! Gotcha! ;)
The statement was tha, I reviewed the document that I have a copy of.
I do believe your arrogant ignorance, brain washed into you by being a group member for so many years is showing again. So you see there is no name to name, since it is a document I was referring to, that came from the county court house.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
So what good and wonderful new things are your candidates going to do for Elk County?
What the hell is to you and your brain washed arrogant ignorance, you don't even live here. You don't have a vote here, do you? Don't have a clue to life outside of being in an organization that tells you how and what to think? The message has been stated several times, yet you don't comprehend it. Why, with all that education you have, I do believe you need a refresher course in comprehension. Please enroll now! Apparently you never taught comprehension. Sorry about that. I'll still pray for you and I hope you get your med's corrected.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
It seems to me that all the candidates running are good people.
You sure don't comprehend what you read and this is proof of that?
You have my sympathy. You seem to think from hundreds of mile away you know what is happening in Elk County, are you having visions too!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
How are your voters to decide?
How dare you to berate the citizens of Elk County from such great distances, is this the way of the Followers?
Just like most normal people Diane! They Stop, Look, Listen and they also ask the questions Who, What, Where, When, Why and How. This is something taught in junior high and your degree is in what?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 09:06:16 AM
How can people vote against candidates when they don't know what the challengers have to offer that would be better? People need specifics they can get behind.
Again none of your concern!
I've given numerous suggestions and the people have friends and relatives they can discuss the situation here in Elk County. But, again, I don't think you have any comprehension of what this thread has been about or you wouldn't ask such an asinine question. Do you have any comprehension of society an how it works Diane? I do believe the people understand the meaning of
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and
Visionaries and that any change from that would benefit Elk County tremendously. I'd like to suggest that you go back and review the whole thread for comprehension there will be a quiz later! LOL and arrogant ignorance will receive a failing grade. Thank you.
Diane how many Konnected Kounty Kommissioners spout off with, "I'm tired of being called a crook." during a County Commissioners meeting when no one has called them one? What does that indicate to you? No. it did not make it to the minutes of the meeting just as a lot of other things do not make it to the minutes. What eles get's hidden in Elk County, oop's you don't live here, you live hundreds and hundreds of mile away, so you wouldn't know, would you?
Oh, and get a life in your own community, and then perhaps you can follow the bouncing ball and comprehend what is happening. Good luck with that.
Quote from: proelkco on September 18, 2012, 11:23:51 AM
Red who are you supporting in Elk Co.? Do you live in Elk Co.?
Let's see now, what is happening here?
You know Diane lives hundreds and hundreds of miles away and that doesn't make any difference, does it?
Why is that?
Is it because she is a Konnected Follower from afar?
What is your point?
Is your point vote for
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners or shut up?
Is that your point?
But why shouldn't the voters, vote for some
POSITIVE Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Ross,
Sometimes I think there is a certain person, I won't mention names, that wakes up some mornings with low self esteem. They think, "what can I do to make myself feel more important ? ---I know---post something on Elk county forum that will make some of the residents pounce on me like a chicken on a June bug---then my 5--or is it 7 ? ---cheerleaders will PM me with their outrage at the ignorance of the local rednecks and to why they can't see that I am all knowing on what happens there and know what's best for them."
"I feel all better now "
I have a tire getting bald on my truck---maybe if someone could send me a check for $100--or more--I would become a cheerleader RAH---RAH--- RAH !!!
No point Ross, simple question.
My, my Ross, imagine that..the sentence that you had "heard" something about the person building a structure seems to have suddenly vanished...imagine that! I know Patriot read it. Not sure how you can "hear" a document.
Ross, I'm just twisting your tail because of your double standard. Several of you who won't be voting have had plenty to say also. Apparently living in Elk County isn't a requirement to sound off.
You have made many nasty cracks about me, where I live, what I do and did, and the politics and politicians from here, so don't try to act so innocent.
(Apparently one Mitty has been taking lessons from one of mine. He can't get his foot further down his throat in the last few days, and I plan to vote for the guy since he is now the candidate of the rich people!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Yes, I'm being sarcastic but you'll not understand it. That's the nice thing about being Independent, I can pick on all of them for the things I don't agree with.
Ya can sure dish it out, but paper thin hide when it comes back on ya, huh? I didn't copy and paste just to see what you would do...and you did. No honesty there is there? As always, if ya can't attack the issue, attack the issuer.
Why, I was just asking questions, after all. Go for it Ross.. As a rather famous person once said, you protest too much.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
...As a rather famous person once said, you protest too much.
Since it's obvious you have a pathological need to veer off course, I'll play.
That famous 'person' to whom you refer was a fictional character... Queen Gertrude in Hamlet. And the line was,
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."Rather famous person? OK. That shining UD education is showing again. Next you'll be misquoting
The Cat in the Hat. Green eggs and spam, anyone? LOL
Well, shucky gee whiz, I'd never have known. Hamlet ...ya do say. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Paraphrasing is beyond you?
You really have to try hard to pick on me don'cha? In a stage performance, which is how Hamlet was meant to be enjoyed, real people (men) play all the characters and "she" was a rather famous character, as was the author...whoever it was.That is once again in dispute.
Give it up Patsy ,ya can't get ahead of me. You several sure do like to try to have fun at my expense, even if you have to lie bout it. tsk.tsk. Doesn't make ya look very good.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
Give it up Patsy ,ya can't get ahead of me.
Why on earth would anyone ever want you behind them? (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons/emoticon-looney-toons-006.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/emoticons.php)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 06:30:39 PM
You several sure do like to try to have fun at my expense, even if you have to lie bout it.
Openly calling people liars without good cause doesn't look very good, either.
(http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/userpics/13476/xtremecat.jpg) (http://www.smileyvault.com/)
Good one Patriot!
What planet is this poor woman from!
It seems she doesn't get it at all!
I must be all that association with groups and the training they provide, that all I can figure.
No individualality of individual thinking about the real subject of this thread.
But she does provide a humorous break, which could be considered a good thing, I suppose.
Poor old girl! I'll try real hard to be nice to her once again!
You kno they say if at first you don't succeed try try again!
Spell check please Diane, did i mis-spell anything? Thank you!
Yes, you did. Not everybody thinks you are as cute as you do. Hey Patsy, telling lies about me? How many examples do you want?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 18, 2012, 07:01:10 PM
Yes, you did. Not everybody thinks you are as cute as you do. Hey Patsy, telling lies about me? How many examples do you want?
I'm sorry you are confused. I know I am an ugly old fart of a redneck hick.
And I love it. I'm about to start my second childhood as well.
I'd tell you what I think, about the corruption in many organizations and the secrets they hide, but I think it would be a waste of time.
I think you have been an organizationalized person far to long.
Individualism is far more important, that is people that think for themselves.
That's why we need to get people out to vote for such people in Elk County.
That's why we need people to discuss the issues in this thread and get out there and vote for some
positive Change.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Good night Diane, good night.
When you look very carefully...
Ross--reading what you and Diane have put up on here makes me think of an old Winston Churchill story. Bear with me, I'm playing off memory. It went something like this: A woman once said to Churchill, Sir if you was my husband I would poison your tea. He looked back at her and replied, Madam if you was my wife, I would drink it. That's some funny shit right there!---Mr. KSHillbilly
Quote from: kshillbillys on September 18, 2012, 07:41:26 PM
Ross--reading what you and Diane have put up on here makes me think of an old Winston Churchill story. Bear with me, I'm playing off memory. It went something like this: A woman once said to Churchill, Sir if you was my husband I would poison your tea. He looked back at her and replied, Madam if you was my wife, I would drink it. That's some funny shit right there!---Mr. KSHillbilly
Amen!
I remember that one.
There are plenty of individuals there.That's why they don't jump when you demand they speak.
Really now, what has happened to the proposed Neighborhood Revitalization Program?
Why was the document removed from the County web site? I can't find it there, why?
If it is such a great and good thing to have a welfare program, called a rebate, for a few taxpayers
and if it's going to cause a population boom
and if it's going to be an economic boom for Elk County, where is it?
Why haven't the hearings been scheduled for it, if it's a good deal?
Or is it being shelved until after the elections because the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners fear it will get them voted out of office?
Is it shelved because it is not a good thing?
Will it be revived after the elections?
Was the fact that it was pointed out that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks privately owned company that she found may have had their visionaries involved in the plans development?
Why, wait to get the ball rolling on such a great and awesome program?
Why not schedule those hearings?
Is something wrong with the politics of it?
Some honest answers would be appreciated along with some honest and open dialog.
Lets hear from you guys.
Don't you think it's time for some POSITIVE Change ? Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Knock, knock who's there?
Well, well, well Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks little company that she founded, you know Elk Konnected, LLC made the front page of this weeks paper. Well they didn't make the headline, the fell,, in under the Howard Chamber of Commerce's headline.
The Elk Konnected Youth Development Action Team appears about to finally do something, to raise money. Not to do any youth development is it, just to raise money? What ever happened to that $85,000 we discussed with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks not too awful long ago? I'm waiting for them to do some youth development, I'd like to know what Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks means by Youth Development.
But anyway they are going to have a Dessert Walk to raise money, I think that is a lot better then begging, don't you.
Although it does promote a form of gambling, doesn't it? And they didn't ask the Kounty Kommissioners for money from the recreation fund for an inflatable or a Bull ride, congratulations for that move. About time to stay out of the county coffers isn't it?
See I can find someting positive to say about Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks little company that she founded, you know Elk Konnected, LLC.
But hey, I still think we need a lot more change then that, don't you?
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Another Kommunity Konversation koming soon? Stay tuned. The agenda advances.
Quote from: Patriot on September 20, 2012, 08:44:55 AM
Another Kommunity Konversation koming soon? Stay tuned. The agenda advances.
I've been wondering!
Afterall, if they don't have one soon, won't they lose their accreddation in their little club?
Couldn't have that could they?
I call myself a redneck for a reason and here is a pretty good definition of a redneck, not the joke type.
In the 19th century, there was a turn in how terms like redneck were used. The word redneck, in particular, was no longer viewed purely as slander, but as a badge of pride. Among those who shared this sentiment, it stood for someone who believed in self-determination and individual freedom.
And I think that is what we need in the County Government.
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Ross on September 19, 2012, 07:34:45 PM
But anyway they are going to have a Dessert Walk to raise money, I think that is a lot better then begging, don't you.
Although it does promote a form of gambling, doesn't it?
"We have a carnival every year. We are trying to figure out a good way to do the cakewalk, besides the normal way of walking in a circle and landing on a number. We have been told we can't do this because it is considered a game of chance and that is considered gambling. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get around this."
http://www.ptotoday.com/boards/17-fundraising/80911-carnival-cakewalk
A gambling definition.
http://christianlibrary.org/authors/Marvin_L_Weir/christliv/gambling.htm
My theory is that you are donating money to the Dessert Walk and don't expect anything in return. The fact that someone may win a dessert is just fun. Is Ross being overly dramatic or is he technically correct. If he is technically correct do you consider the dessert walk to be wrong?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
Is Ross being overly dramatic or is he technically correct. If he is technically correct do you consider the dessert walk to be wrong?
Ross ia just being a common sense redneck. By the way I was raised in the Conservative Kansas of the 1950's. Before the influx of organizations and the greed of organized gambling and honesty was abundant. During a time when nobody wanted to be a beggar and those in need recieved help, not those that had money and material possessions.
If you want to call honesty being dramatic, that's what I'm talking about!
If honesty is dramatic, I pray for a lot of drama by hiring new county commissioners.
I don't believe the two guys I speak of are interested in doing the job for self gain or glory.
Let's hear it for them.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Ross, cakewalks\dessert walks were alive and well in the 50's in Kansas and elsewhere. Also, they predate the 50's.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Ross, cakewalks\dessert walks were alive and well in the 50's in Kansas and elsewhere. Also, they predate the 50's.
Just the same if you have to try to curcumvent the rules to run it, something must be wrong.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
"We have a carnival every year. We are trying to figure out a good way to do the cakewalk, besides the normal way of walking in a circle and landing on a number. We have been told we can't do this because it is considered a game of chance and that is considered gambling. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get around this."
http://www.ptotoday.com/boards/17-fundraising/80911-carnival-cakewalk
A gambling definition.
http://christianlibrary.org/authors/Marvin_L_Weir/christliv/gambling.htm
My theory is that you are donating money to the Dessert Walk and don't expect anything in return. The fact that someone may win a dessert is just fun. Is Ross being overly dramatic or is he technically correct. If he is technically correct do you consider the dessert walk to be wrong?
fits the very definition of gambling. Churchs have fallen into gambling quite easily these days. Look at all the bingo halls that churchs sponsor or hold. Raffles the same thing. So cakewalk, same thing too. why cant one just donate the money without the walk? The fact your participating in the walk, means you expect to get something possibly. thats gambling. I believe that Christ just said give. No strings attached. Shrug. seems to me if you want to participate in the walk, your attaching strings.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 05:03:35 PM
Ross, cakewalks\dessert walks were alive and well in the 50's in Kansas and elsewhere. Also, they predate the 50's.
Does it make it right? Nope they drank in the 50's they had premarital sex, they even gambled in the 50's. so what has the time period got to do with right and wrong?
Ask your gambling commission.
Quote from: Ross on September 20, 2012, 05:29:14 PM
Just the same if you have to try to curcumvent the rules to run it, something must be wrong.
Ross, I don't see where you make the point that people were trying to circumvent the rules to have a dessert walk.
Srkruzik, I too don't know why Ross seemed to suggest that it did not happen in the 50's when he was in Kansas. You are right people have premarital sex, gamble. They also smoke pot, drink booze, and smoke cigars.
The difference between a cakewalk being gambling and what you do in Vegas, the weekly poker game, or the NFL bet you place with your friends is that for the cakewalk you don't care if you win anything. The others your goal is to win money.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Ross, I don't see where you make the point that people were trying to circumvent the rules to have a dessert walk.
Srkruzik, I too don't know why Ross seemed to suggest that it did not happen in the 50's when he was in Kansas. You are right people have premarital sex, gamble. They also smoke pot, drink booze, and smoke cigars.
The difference between a cakewalk being gambling and what you do in Vegas, the weekly poker game, or the NFL bet you place with your friends is that for the cakewalk you don't care if you win anything. The others your goal is to win money.
I think the point is to avoid all appearances of evil! Cakewalks to what happens in vegas!
I hope these documents are good enough for you to use.
They will get you on the County mailing list for County Commissioners Meetings.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 06:23:11 PM
Ross, I don't see where you make the point that people were trying to circumvent the rules to have a dessert walk.
My answer is your statement.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 04:17:42 PM
We have been told we can't do this because it is considered a game of chance and that is considered gambling. Does anyone have any
suggestions on how to get around this."
Quote from: srkruzich on September 20, 2012, 06:44:58 PM
I think the point is to avoid all appearances of evil! Cakewalks to what happens in vegas!
srkruzich, you lost me with your evil comment. I see topics of discussion on wrong, sin, not a good idea. Our definitions of evil are so far apart we would need to start a new thread.
Quote from: Ross on September 20, 2012, 07:07:08 PM
My answer is your statement.
Ross I didn't say that. That was a quote from someone else that I posted a link to. I noticed you removed the quotes that I posted on that statement.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 20, 2012, 07:09:33 PM
srkruzich, you lost me with your evil comment. I see topics of discussion on wrong, sin, not a good idea. Our definitions of evil are so far apart we would need to start a new thread.
Pretty simple. Man is the only one who sets levels of evil. To God there is no such thing. Stealing a paper clip is just as bad as murdering someone to him.
Quote from: srkruzich on September 20, 2012, 08:03:17 PM
Pretty simple. Man is the only one who sets levels of evil. To God there is no such thing. Stealing a paper clip is just as bad as murdering someone to him.
You are confusing sins that God places no level on. A sin is a sin. Evil is another topic. The topics here are not evil. Evil and sin are two separate concepts.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau what is your little organization or company, what ever it is, what's it doing for the, "Superior Lifestyle" in Elk County? Where is the improvement?
And about that "Stay with us as We Grow!", where is the growth? Who are the official members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Do you have more then 10 members now?
For the above Please reference http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
The following Quoted from:
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf
My remarks in blue.
You made community health a
priority, too. I can use that! Thanks
to the Physical Wellness action team,
we now have a Wellness Center in
Howard, with card access to anyone,
anytime.
Wait a minute didn't you fail at that?
And through the hard work
of the Communication action team
and the Elk County Commissioners,
our citizens have access to a
reverse 911 system, an invaluable tool
for notifying citizens of countywide
emergency activities.
Wait a minute you mean to tell me we don't need county commissioners to do this work?
Are you saying your visionaries came up with this idea and forced it on the county commissioners? Oh, and didn't you try to commandeer it until Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's Aunt called you on the carpet for it? Does Elk County really need this meddling?
Does Elk County really need Commissioners that turn their responsibilities over to a privately owned company founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks? Why?
Wow! Is it not amazing what can
happen when we work together and
stay positive.
I find it amazing also, if a person doesn't agree with everything you want, then they are wrong? Is it that your little privately owned company you founded is the only right solution in Elk Coounty and everyone else is wrong? Isn't there something terribly negative in your philosophy, in your thinking?
As a
County Commissioner, I'm
beginning to see how
Elk Konnectedcan help elected officials respond to
our biggest challenges and opportunities.
Don't you mean as
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner you can see how it is that your little privately owned company you founded can rule the County Commissioners Board
with your two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners controlling Vote? Doesn't that make you a
carbon copy of the
"Old Guard" you have refered to as and suggested of sorts, something that needed to go away?
You did that in 2008 with
the Community Conversation on
"our schools and our community"
and helped one of our school boards
deal with a shrinking budget
Just how did Elk Konnected, LLC help one of our school boards deal with a shrinking budget?
This just sounds like so much B.S. without specifics. I could say I helped out with the landing of Curious on Mars, does that make it so? Sounds like cheap talk to me, what do you think?
We definitely need new County Commissioners and less Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Here are two men, I think will be good self thinking men. they don't have the support of visionaries that
seem to
fail at everything they do!
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change,
Okay? Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Sorry Ross, I know this is off topic, but I thought I could help.
I did some checking and Kansas gaming laws are extremely strict.Your state is one of the few that does not have a charity exemption...yet. Games judged to be gambling have to have a license.
If a game is a game of chance, it is considered gambling. If it a game of skill ,it is not gambling.
The cake walk is a game of chance, so it would be gambling. Dart throwing to break balloons is a game of skill, so it is not. Neither is a shooting gallery. Even a kids' duck pond game is a game of chance, no skill involved, but tossing ping pong balls into fish bowls or tossing hoops over soda bottles takes skill, so wouldn't be considered gambling. I found the information very interesting. Apparently it has to be judged for prosecution locally and nobody usually bothers. Please check for yourselves.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 21, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
Sorry Ross, I know this is off topic, but I thought I could help.
I did some checking and Kansas gaming laws are extremely strict.Your state is one of the few that does not have a charity exemption...yet. Games judged to be gambling have to have a license.
If a game is a game of chance, it is considered gambling. If it a game of skill ,it is not gambling.
The cake walk is a game of chance, so it would be gambling. Dart throwing to break balloons is a game of skill, so it is not. Neither is a shooting gallery. Even a kids' duck pond game is a game of chance, no skill involved, but tossing ping pong balls into fish bowls or tossing hoops over soda bottles takes skill, so wouldn't be considered gambling. I found the information very interesting. Apparently it has to be judged for prosecution locally and nobody usually bothers. Please check for yourselves.
So, Diane are you suggesting that since no one checks, Elk Konnected, LLC's Youth Development Committee should go ahead and violate the law? How is that for youth development of Elk County, a mighty good and positive lesson, right? Teaching by example, good move?
Now, it will be interesting, how this turns out, won't it?
Will our Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner that founded Elk Konnected, LLC Kommission sponsor such an event even if it is the wrong thing to do?
Oh my, oh my, what a delima?
Follow the law or not to follow the law, that is the question?
That is what it sounds like.
Good job Diane.
I wonder what other surprises our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their visionaries have in store for us?
Isn't it time to get some new County Commissioners?
Hey, look here is a chance to get some better morales in office, don't you think?
Come on you Elk Konnected Followers let's hear something
POSITIVE about these two men of Elk County, can you try to say something positive? Isn't that the Elk Konnected, LLC way, to be
POSITIVE? Let's hear you practice what you preach, please! Show Elk County you mean what you say! I bet you
can not do it. Be
POSITIVE that is. Let's get
POSITIVE for Elk County!!!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Ross cut it out. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Ross,your comment to me is exactly why most people won't talk to you. I just laid out what I found. I made no suggestions of any kind for or against anything . Do you have oatmeal above your eyebrows or are you just mean? :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 22, 2012, 01:43:29 PM
Ross cut it out. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Ross,your comment to me is exactly why most people won't talk to you. I just laid out what I found. I made no suggestions of any kind for or against anything . Do you have oatmeal above your eyebrows or are you just mean? :P
Diane it was not a comment, but a question, with a question mark
(?) at the end of it.
Your statement:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 21, 2012, 04:06:47 PM
Apparently it has to be judged for prosecution locally and nobody usually bothers. Please check for yourselves.
Brought about the question, with the question mark
(?) at the end of it.
Quote from: Ross on September 21, 2012, 05:37:28 PM
So, Diane are you suggesting that since no one checks, Elk Konnected, LLC's Youth Development Committee should go ahead and violate the law?
So is there a difference between a question and a statement?
There was no meanness or maliciousness meant or intended. I'm so sorry you took it that way?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 22, 2012, 01:43:29 PM
Do you have oatmeal above your eyebrows or are you just mean? :P
No I don't Diane because, I am a redneck and it's in my whiskers for retrival later, either for eating or fish bait. Which ever comes first. LOL
Ross, depending on how questions are worded, they can say just as much as statements do. That was as false question! Did you really expect me to answer yes? I also said please check for yourselves! ::) Don't be such a red neck and don't pretend to be so innocent. I know better.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 22, 2012, 02:35:21 PM
Ross, depending on how questions are worded, they can say just as much as statements do. That was as false question! Did you really expect me to answer yes? I also said please check for yourselves! ::) Don't be such a red neck and don't pretend to be so innocent. I know better.
Get a life! In Delaware and move on!
Quibbling over spelling, or not understanding the difference between a question and a statement, and reading between the lines just doesn't leave much room for anything else.
In the mean time folks we have two very good men in my opinion that would do right by Elk County to the benefit of everyone and not just some little group of people that want welfare in the form of property tax rebates.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
She has no life, obviously, other than infantile attempts to build herself up by putting others down.
Wonder why we never hear from her husband ?
It seems that things are very quiet with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks privately owned company that she founded, you know Elk Konnected, LLC.
How long has it been around
6 or
7 years ?
And what has it accomplished Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks ?
1. It tried to commander the County Web site and upset a lot of people didn't it? Even to the point of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's aunt calling the Commissioners Board on the carpet at a commissioners meeting, right? Great accomplishment, Good Job !
2. It tried to commandeer the County's emergency call system didn't it? Called the people on the list numerous times to say that Elk Konnected, LLC was canceling an event, really upset a lot of people getting numerous calls, not happy campers were they?
3. Too many of these to list, so let's move on, okay?
Elk Konnected, LLC motto is "Watch Us Grow", is that a
hope-y motto or what?
Where is the growth ? How many members does Elk Konnected, LLC have out of 2880 people in Elk County? Is it maybe
10, 12, 15, how many ?
Moving on.
I had a very busy day yesterday and in the process, I had a part break on my tractor that needed welded. So I hauled it up to Howard to Mr. Wunderlich to have it welded. Well, it was lunch time, so I drove on in to Toots to get something to eat. And I'm setting in the parking lot and Mr. Wunderlich comes out of the restaurant and I flag him down and told him what I needed. He took a look and said he could not do it right now, it is "County Commissioners Meeting today." He passed up a job to go to the County Commissioners meeting, he has been going to every meeting for over a year, so I could understand his going yesterday. In my opinion he has earned over a years worth of
on the job training for the position of County Commissioner. Sure it was training on how not to do the job. This man has showed up even when Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks hadn't, (
probably because of some Elk Konnected, LLC business). Which job should have more priority?
Anyway, I understood why Mr. Wunderlich wasn't available yesterday afternoon. And besides, I was pretty tired, (still healing from knee surgery) and wanted to call it a day, to rest and this just provided the excuse I needed. Do I need an excuse, not really, it was just convenient for me.
I do believe Elk County could use a man of this caliber, a man dedicated enough to show up at County Commissioners meetings for over a year and at the cost of possibly losing some business. Don't you think the county deserves this kind of dedication.
Now that is a very positive attitude on his part, if I've every seen one. Can you Followers add some positive comments to that? Remember that strong
positive you are told to have, come on you can do it, with a little effort. I'm rooting for you Followers.
So come on
FOLLOWERS let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
I didnt know forlast6 years I have been brakeing the law haveing poker tournments for relay for life cancer walks .Susan G Komenhad 2 last year .go to Wichata twice a year play at at one of biggestchurchs there too.hope dont raid us LOL
glad to see ya back,Ross
Quote from: oldfart on September 25, 2012, 10:04:11 AM
I didnt know forlast6 years I have been brakeing the law haveing poker tournments for relay for life cancer walks .Susan G Komenhad 2 last year .go to Wichata twice a year play at at one of biggestchurchs there too.hope dont raid us LOL
I suppose you think the Susan G Kommen organization is to dumb to go to the State Gamming Commission for approval !
I suppoae you think they would run against the law ! Personally for some reason I don't think so ! Did you ask them if they are doing it illegally?
But just suppose they were operating illegally would that that make it right for an organization in Elk County doing the same thing ?
Illegally ? Expecially Youth Development ? Is that what you want our youth to learn?
I think we need higher morals then that!
I think we have a couple of men capable of filling higher moral standards as Elk County Commissioners verses Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
You Konnected Followers are just at a total loss to say anything positive about a couple of terrific men, why is that?
Did ya'all loose that positive thingy?
Ih well, let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, and
higher moral attributes, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: upoladeb on September 25, 2012, 10:12:46 AM
glad to see ya back,Ross
Thank you Upoladeb, I appreciate that.
You know where I'm coming from, I think we have a couple of men running for County Commissioner that would provide a better quality of guidance for our County then what is in office now. I mean you speaks out at a meeting for some unknown reason and say's, "I'm tired of being called a crook." When no one has even said anything of that nature? I still can't figutr that one out?
And what business does a Kounty Kommissioner have voting to give the organization she founded and runs money from the county coffers? What business does she have doing that?
Is it a lack of morales, a lack of proper responsibility to the taxpayers and citizens of Elk County? I mean I find it just completely wrong? And they want to do youth development in Elk County? Really, with those kid of morals? Is that what we want our kids to learn. Or is it they just use the kids to get what they want, by saying we are doing it for the kids? But really, what have they done for the kids as far as youth development? Will they speak up and tell us what they have done, besides leach off the County's Summer Day Camps? They have used County money to leach off the various Communities Festivals, when the communities could have used the money themselves? I think Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks little organization operates on greed and "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" and actually do very little else. I mean with that $85,000we discussed with Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and the profit from the sale of the Howard Konnect Wellness Center, what happened to all that money, that compels them to continue to beg? Would Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks please tell us?
I doubt it? Where are the morals?
That's why we need new County Commissioners, don't you agree?
Speaking of Elk Konnected, their positive effect on our county & tax dollars.... check this out (look at post #4):
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14398.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14398.0.html)
Quote from: Patriot on September 25, 2012, 06:00:19 PM
Speaking of Elk Konnected, their positive effect on our county & tax dollars.... check this out (look at post #4):
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14398.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14398.0.html)
WOW !
That's a lot of fine information, but to bad it's not good information for the way our county is run !
When do we change the name of Elk County, Kansas to Elk Konnected County, Kansas?
Let's not let it become Elk Konnected County, what do you say? After the november elections, because not enough people get out there, and vote for good change, and vote for:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Let's keep our County, our Elk County, a great place to live.Not Elk Konnected County!
I notice all those Konnected Followers are speechless!
They just can't argue with the facts, can they?
What appears to be fact:
1. Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks organization Elk Konnected, LLC appears to be a leach on Elk County, right?
2. They have been incapable of accomplishing anything positive in Elk County except spend Elk County money?
3. Inbed themselves in Elk County Government?
4. Inbed themselves in the schoolboard of West Elk?
5. Confuse themselves and the line between the people and the peoples government?
6. Attempted to and proposed a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program called the Neighborhood Revitalization that would allow certain people in Elk County recieve WELFARE in the form of property tax rebates?
7. They appear to have divided the County even further via the haves and have-nots, so the haves can take more for themselves.
8. They operated a Wellness Center that was funded with "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money and failed at operating it?
9. They are
BEGGING for more donations on their FaceBook page to start a Daycare Center. Will that go the way of the Wellness Center? Heck, they can't even get it started! I wonder why? Could it be for the same reasons our County Government has so much trouble operating. Lack of knowledge and ability to get the job done as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners? To many hat's to wear and can't focus on the important parts of business, be it county business or otherwise?
10. 7 years Konnected or is it dis-Konnected, right? And no accomplishments by Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks as Konnected.
11. What is it 10 years as County Commissioner and what has been accomplished? No real budget, is there? No real road plan is there? Higher and higher taxes, right? We are still number one in Kansas on property tax assessments, right?
12. Time for some change isn't it? No more Hope-y, different thingy stuff, huh! Time for that to go away, and do some real work and planning. No more confusion of which hat that they wear. No more confusion of money in the county coffers and their purpose.
Haven't you heard enough of, "It's a different thingy."
November is your best chance for changing it all.
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Even the Konnected Followers can't argue about this, they can't seem to say anything positive either.
Doesn't it make you want to become Konnected and become a Follower? Watch Us Grow? Grow Tomatoes or corn or popcorn and lollipops? Grow what?
Just go back to the list at the front of this thread and read how rediculous the suggestions are?
Secret invitations. Secret interviews by outside 'professionals'. Secret 'recruiting' drives. Regular secret meetings at diverse, undisclosed locations. I wonder, is there a secret handshake and special decoder ring?
And whatever happened to the answers to all those unanswered questions asked at the last Grenola Kommunity Konversation? Questions that were tabled by the outside 'facilitator' to be researched with answers promised at a 'later date'. Just an oversight? A deception? Or just another failure on the part of those who make unfulfilled promises of 'hope and change' on a regular basis? Papa always said that people who don't keep their promises can't be trusted.
All this from an organization that purports to improve community cooperation & the quality of life in Elk County. There's so much the public doesn't know... yet.
Quote from: Patriot on September 26, 2012, 09:47:33 AM
Secret invitations. Secret interviews by outside 'professionals'. Secret 'recruiting' drives. Regular secret meetings at diverse, undisclosed locations. I wonder, is there a secret handshake and special decoder ring?
And whatever happened to the answers to all those unanswered questions asked at the last Grenola Kommunity Konversation? Questions that were tabled by the outside 'facilitator' to be researched with answers promised at a 'later date'. Just an oversight? A deception? Or just another failure on the part of those who make unfulfilled promises of 'hope and change' on a regular basis? Papa always said that people who don't keep their promises can't be trusted.
All this from an organization that purports to improve community cooperation & the quality of life in Elk County. There's so much the public doesn't know... yet.
That sounds so much like what,
I would expect the
"Old Guard" would operate like. Secretly!
You know that's the group Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said she worked so hard
at preventing in Elk Konnected, LLC!
It makes me wonder!
I really believe Elk County would be far better off with Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office!
Look two non-konnected people running as write-in's:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Let's write them in and WIN, for Elk County.
Well, well, would you look at that!
Today's newspaper, that is page nine, Elk County Commission column.
The next to last paragraph.
Boy, does it speak volumes about our County Commissioners.Did either
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner question the mileage reimbursement for our
Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee for travel to Severy on business for Elk Konnected, LLC ?
The blurr continues and appears to be worsening.But
Mr. Ritz the only
non-Konnected
County Commissioner did ?
I appreciate that in a County Commissioner and I think we need two more just like him, don't you?
Sure, it was only $12.65 but, how much other slips by, how many hours does our employee put in for Elk Konnected, LLC on our dime? Who does the checks and balance?
Will they now start calling those miles and other expenses as something else, so the county will pay the bill?
The paper said that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau would pay the mileage for going out of county to Severy for Elk Konnected, LLC out of his own pocket. How charitable of him. But isn't his first duty to Elk County rather than Elk Konnected, LLC.
Very interesting morals. Was there any discipline for trying to rip off the county?
Does it matter if it was only $12.65? Doesn't the lack of
employee discipline only open the door for
further abuses? I don't believe it was a simple error, when the request stated
Severy mileage, do you?
I believe this is good information to discuss with friends and relatives before the Novenber ekection.
I'm positive, I would have at least received a stern warning, with a letter in my file, for an error like that on reporting my mileage expenses when I was working. That would have been the minimum. But least we forget, she is protected by two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, right?
What next from Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC ?
See the reasons we need TWO NEW County Commissioners?Don't you think that would be a
POSITIVE step for Elk County? So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
I don't believe this is the first, or only, time taxpayers have reimbursed the Economic Development director to travel to do work in the name of Elk Konnect, LLC. Lines between public & private? What lines.
You know our Elk County Youth Development employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering Committee (board of directors) and she is also our Economic Development Employee! I wonder why, we don't hear more reports on economic development for Elk County. Is she doing any work for the county along those lines? If so why no reports?
Or is she busy doing economic development for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC and not us the County?
After all with just a little searching, look what I found! Couldn't a college educated person do better then this old redneck hick? There are ton's more out there as well.
Project 17 is among Rural Jobs and Innovation Accelerator Challenge recipients.
Project 17 was one of 13 national awardees to receive a Rural Jobs and Innovation Accelerator Challenge grant and will receive $715,000 to help revitalize Southeast Kansas to promote economic opportunities.
Project 17 will receive a $215,000 grant from USDA Rural Development and a $500,000 grant from the Economic Development Administration (EDA) to help promote job creation, accelerate innovation and provide assistance to entrepreneurs and businesses.
http://innovatekansas.org/blog/2012/08/01/project-17-is-among-rural-jobs-and-innovation-accelerator-challenge-recipients/
How about building an Industrial park at highway 99 and 160 and lure business's here that offer good pay and benefits? Did you know new industries can keep the income tax they deduct from employees wages for 5 years, as their own money?
There are other things out there to use for enticing company's to come here.
Don't the County Commissioners want their money's worth from their County Economic Development Employee? Then let's get some reports about what she is doing? That is if, she is working for the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County! If not, why keep the position. If there is no economic development going on, no grants for economic development, what is the reason for wasting taxpayer's money?
I think there should be lots of questions concerning the position that was developed on the suggestion of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks privately owned company, Elk Konnected, LLC to the Kounty Kommissioners, don't you?
We really do need new County Commissioners, IMHO!
Quote from: Ross on September 26, 2012, 12:07:20 PM
That sounds so much like what,
I would expect the "Old Guard" would operate like. Secretly!
You know that's the group Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks said she worked so hard
at preventing in Elk Konnected, LLC!
It makes me wonder!
I really believe Elk County would be far better off with Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office!
Look two non-konnected people running as write-in's:
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Let's write them in and WIN, for Elk County.
Ross, do you know if the two write in candidates that you support can actually be elected? Sure we can write in Snoopy or Pat Paulsen but there are filing requirements. I have been researching Kansas statutes and even write ins need to file a ton of paperwork. Just asking.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 26, 2012, 07:34:47 PM
Ross, do you know if the two write in candidates that you support can actually be elected? Sure we can write in Snoopy or Pat Paulsen but there are filing requirements. I have been researching Kansas statutes and even write ins need to file a ton of paperwork. Just asking.
I suppose you hope they don't know their business, right?
Hoping to keep Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in office, right?
Positive attitude, I think not!
Quote from: Ross on September 26, 2012, 07:40:46 PM
I suppose you hope they don't know their business, right?
Hoping to keep Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in office, right?
Positive attitude, I think not!
Ross you are wrong on all counts. As you have pointed out on here Elk County can be loose when it comes to following Roberts Rules of Order, and other things. I just asked if you knew if these write ins would actually be able to be get in to office if elected. Snoopy can't be elected no matter how many votes he gets. Your response indicates that you don't know. Maybe you could ask your two candidates to respond here on the forum. Just a reminder, the reason no candidates, no elected officials, no write ins post on this forum, in my opinion, is because of your rants.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 26, 2012, 07:34:47 PM
Ross, do you know if the two write in candidates that you support can actually be elected? Sure we can write in Snoopy or Pat Paulsen but there are filing requirements. I have been researching Kansas statutes and even write ins need to file a ton of paperwork. Just asking.
Fire...
Mr Hebb is not a write in. He's filed and will appear on the ballot. Mr Wunderlich is a valid write in based on Kansas law, and after reviewing his website, http://www.votemicky.org (http://www.votemicky.org), he's presented a better case for election than any other candidate running for any Elk County office.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 26, 2012, 07:49:46 PM
Ross you are wrong on all counts. As you have pointed out on here Elk County can be loose when it comes to following Roberts Rules of Order, and other things. I just asked if you knew if these write ins would actually be able to be get in to office if elected. Snoopy can't be elected no matter how many votes he gets. Your response indicates that you don't know. Maybe you could ask your two candidates to respond here on the forum. Just a reminder, the reason no candidates, no elected officials, no write ins post on this forum, in my opinion, is because of your rants.
You are entitled to your opinion and I to mine.
And mine is ROFLMAO.
I seriously believe they are far better then what is in office now.
Quote from: Patriot on September 26, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
Fire...
Mr Hebb is not a write in. He's filed and will appear on the ballot. Mr Wunderlich is a valid write in based on Kansas law, and after reviewing his website, http://www.votemicky.org (http://www.votemicky.org), he's presented a better case for election than any other candidate running for any Elk County office.
Thanks for the info Patriot. Ross kept saying that they were both write in candidates which was contrary to my findings.I have been to Mr. Wunderlich's website and read his statements. Ross don't hurt your candidates by what you say if it is not true.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 17, 2012, 11:29:11 PM
I like you have not cleared my thoughts with either of them. Since I do support one of the people you have mentioned, I ask you please don't ruin it for my canidate. You are welcome to your opinions but please, refrain from trying to suggest they or their supporters agree with you. I don't think you are doing the canidates any favors..
Yes, I admit, I got a bit frustrated with your recent post, I am human and make errors.
So, I offer my apology.
I have spoke with both candidates and recieved encouragement from both to continue with my posts. I do support both of them as good men with the proper concerns for the direction our county government has been on and will continue on if we do not vote these to gentlemen into office.
Which one do you support?
And how do you support him?
Do you support him by keeping it a secret?
Or would you support him by saying something good about him?
Why can't you support both men?
I support both, even though, I can only vote for one?
I don't believe there are any rules that say, I can not support both for Elk County, is there?
I do believe, I have a very positive attitude about both men?
The negative is about and created by the bias and confusion and lack of attention created for the Elk County Government by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau and nothing else.
So, let's hear something positive from you about;
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks told us Elk Konnected, LLC came about before the wind farm.
I disagree with that because she knew about the wind farm long before she founded Elk Konnected, LLC because of her relationship with owners of the land, where the windfarm was built. And I believe that is what led to the so called Community Conversation and the results supposedly from it that are posted at the beginning of this thread.
You are sure to ask, why I say this?
We were informed on this subject that testing was performed for about seven years before the wind farm was built, right?
Well here is a report called, "Caney River & Elk County Wind development from a County Commissioner's point of view" 2011 Energy Conference 10.5.11 from http://www.kansascommerce.com/DocumentView.aspx?DID=813 . I wonder which Konnected Kounty Kommissioner view point this is?
It states:
Impact on landowners
Very good relationship from TradeWind through Enel and BWEC (General Contractor)
Recommend a specialize attorney when working on lease agreement.
Lengthy process – 7-8 years from data collection to actual constructionCaney River complicated due to existing oil and gas operations and cattle operations
Landowners paid for moving leadlines, plugging wells, repairing fences.
Very little shutdown time to oil and gas operations or cattle operations – amazing considering the amount of activity going on.
Good customer relations with local ranchers especially during shipping time.
There it is 7-8 years from data collection to actual construction, which means they knew for that period of time about the development of the wind farm. But did the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners tell you about it?
Doesn't that mean the plans started in or about
2004? When did Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, who claims to be the founder of Elk Konnected, LLC start the organization?
Wasn't that about
2007? So which came first? The windfarm or Elk konnected, LLC?
What is the real purpose of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC?Why all the secrecy
then and why all the secrecy
now? Is this why we have County Commissioners, to keep secrets from us or are they there to keep us informed?
Now, with who does the negativity lay?
I do believe these gentlemen would have kept the county taxpayers and citizens informed,
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
The Commissioners discussed the proposed
(Konnected Kommunity) Neighborhood Revitalization Program and changing the date of implementation to January 1, 2013 and to grandfather in the three entities that have already applied.
First the proposed (
Konnected Kommunity) Neighborhood Revitalization Program Program has not had a single hearing so, why have they been accepting applications. Those applications should technically be voided because technically there is no (Konnected Kommunity) Neighborhood Revitalization Program is there? It is only proposed, right?
It does not exist, does it?
How can they morally
grandfather something into a program that
does not exist?What kind of scam are they running on you and me?
When do they plan to hold their first hearing on this proposed scam?
What will the next scam be?
Will the hearing be held at the next
Konnected Kommunity Konversation?It's running late for another
Konnected Kommunity Konversation isn't it?
How can our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and the
President of Public Squares Communities, LLC require all other communities to meet it's requirements and she not require the same of the organization she founded? That would really look bad for the leader of the whole mess wouldn't it? Yea, I think we can count on a
Konnected Kommunity Konversation, don't you?
Would that be a legal hearing for the proposed (Konnected Kommunity) Neighborhood Revitalization Program?Our leadership in County Government, who I commonly refer to as
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners apparently
lack the leadership abilities to hold a hearing on their own. They need to use a
Konnected Kommunity Konversation controlled and facilitated by other people from outside the county called third party. Third party is suppose to make you think they are a disinterested party, well they definitely are not are they? Because they will be working for a privately owned company, right? Elk Konnected, LLC right?
Why do we have Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that lack leadership qualities and abilities to hold a hearing and to speak publicly with the taxpayers and voters? Is there no respect for you and me, the taxpayers and voters?Here are couple of guys that you can vote for and won't be hiding behind Elk Konnected, LLC,
IMHO!Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
What has happened to all the Elk Konnected Followers ?
Did they quit following Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk konnected, LLC?
Don't they have anything positive to say about anything?
Remember when there is another of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Konnected Kommunity Konversations that you dare not think anything but positive for whatever they tell you to think about?
We have discussed the failures of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC, so what do you say we discuss their accomplishments?
Look at all the positive accomplishments by Elk Konnected, LLC from all that positive attitude.
Let's number all those accomplishments shall we?
1. Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished confusinf or blurring the line between Elk Konnected, LLC and County Government, don't you think that is an accomplishment?
2.
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?10.
?Help me please, I can't find or think of any other accomplishments!
I can't even think of one, can you?
Please fill in the blanks?
We all want to know about actual substantial accomplishments or even insignificant accomplishments, don't we?
Let's here them, please?
Vote for a better ELK County
Vote for:
Mr. Hebb
and
Mr. Wunderlich
Hey Ross! You'll never guess from whom I just got a nice thank you note.
I always make good on my promises, even if they come from you shooting off your rude mouth at me. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D HA! It was very nice note. Some folks out there really are very nice and appreciative.
I was being sarcastic Ross about brakeing the law with my poker tounaments,,as long as part of monry rised goes to charity I can have all this .For now.
No responses to my previous post, I wonder why?
Are there no accomplishments by the privately owned company founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC. after seven years and all those thousands of "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Dollar$?
Where are all those Followers with the answers?
Don't they have any answers?
Or is it just a waste?
A waste of money?
A waste of time?
A waste of County Resources?
This situation in Elk County is desperate and needs your attention,
Will you be part of the solution or will you be a cause of the continuing problems?
"It is time for all Elk County citizens to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to be able to correct the errors of the last several years."
We the working class, we the voters, we the taxpayers can reclaim or County government from those that have plenty of money, of their own, but don't want to use their own money, yet don't mind wasting our county resources, our County coffers tax dollars.
Yes, they call some of the tax dollars something different, that is just plain foolisheness, they are county tax dollars in the county coffers, no matter where those dollars originate.
Which means they should be used wisely by our County Commissioners, not dollars called something different, to be handed out to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks little company she claims to be founder of, Elk konnected, LLC?
We need serious change or we end up with higher property taxes, it's that simple!
We are number one in Kansas,
we are at the top of the list
as the highest property taxes in Kansas.
Do we need any other write-ins for the County Commissioner seats?
Only if we want to keep the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in the positions.
Is that a good choice for Elk County?
I don't think so!
People Elk County needs you to be talking up Mr. Hebb for County Commissioner.
Elk County needs you to influence everyone you know to vote him into office.
Elk County needs you to be talking up Mr. Wunderlich for County Commissioner.
Elk County needs you to influence everyone you know to write-in Mr. Wunderlich for County Commissioner.
Why?
Because any other write-ins for County Commissioner will ensure that the votes are split and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will remain in office. One man that has attended the County Commissioners meeting for the last year and a half and actually knows what has been going on, and can help correct the wrongs is Mr. Wunderlich. What more do you need?
Does Elk County need upity wealthy people that have had everything practically given to them in the positions?
Does Elk County need these kind of people that want to provide welfare to those that have money in the form of property tax rebates?
Does Elk County need the kind of people that want you to keep paying your fair share of property tases,
while providing property tax breaks for their friends, relatives and cronies?
Is this the Kind of County Government we need to continue with?
Is this the kind of County Government that you want?
If you can answer no to any of the above, then you can help get Elk County on the proper road again.
Let's get everyone we can to vote for Mr. Wunderlich.
Any other write-ins will surely guarantee the continuation of a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner that most likely has dealings in the secret activities of the privately owned company founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC.
I'm sure they are counting on a split just as it happened during the primaries.
It is in the hand of the voters.
Two write-ins almost guarantes the continuation of a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner.
Is that what we property taxpayers want? Higher property taxes?
Check out Mr. Wunderlich at http://www.votemicky.org
Please, Everyone needs to get out there and vote for good change.
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Quote from: Ross on September 28, 2012, 12:15:58 PM
No responses to my previous post, I wonder why?
Are there no accomplishments by the privately owned company founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC. after seven years and all those thousands of "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" Dollar$?
Oh. I got it. There are no accomplishments, right?
Or the Followers have been told to keep quiet, right?
Why?
Could it be the rumors on the street about the little company that
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks founded,
Elk Konnected, LLC are secretly recruiting 30 some like minded people to facilitate all the little circles at the upcoming Kommunity Konversation.
Ya, goitta have a
facilitator in each circle or group inorder to
control the conversation don't ya?
What does that
"like minded" thingy mean?
Is that sorta like, I'll let you do my thinking for me?
Or is it more like, everything you say is right and my thinking is wrong, so I'll be
,"like minded" and follow your thinking ?
Is it a
Like Minded Strategy Group, trying to
Strategically control everyone else by using facilitators?
Oh, I know the dictionary definition.
But don't you recall the twisting of words to mean something different?
Such as the County Recreation fund that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks called a different thingy other then taxpayers dollars? If it is in, the Coiunty Coffers it is taxpayers money, no if, ands or buts about it. Every dollar in the County Coffers is property of the county citizens and is mostly controlled by our elected officials. I believe the recreation fund is regulated by state law as well.
Correct me, if im wrong, but twisting it to something as a
different thingy is just wrong, IMHO!
Are you ready for a
Konnected Kommunity Konversation, which really isn't a Community Conversation is it?
Do you think you can say whatever you want at Konnected Kommunity Konversation ?
Do you think you will be allowed to disagree with Elk Konnected, LLC at the Konnected Kommunity Konversation ?
Do you think you will be allowed to ask a direct question at a Konnected Kommunity Konversation and recieve a direct answer ?
If so good luck with that, because in my humble opinion, you will need all the luck you can get!
Will the answer come from a facilitator setting in your group?
Pay attention to who guides the groups conversation?
Pay attemtion to who takes notes?
Look for other clues as to who your facilitator is ? There will be one, IMHO, you can count on it.
Ever heard of peer group pressure?
Do you give into peer group pressure?
If not, perhaps they will call the sheriff to assist with that problem, do you suppose?
Just give it some thought, that's all I ask.
I think we need a very large turn out at that Konnected Kommunity Konversation, of people that think for themselves and are not afraid to question what is happening. Wouldn't that be great?
They will be prepared with their speeches, will you be prepared to just accept them?
Just my personal opinion, and I don't mean to offend anyone, just trying to open doors in to understanding is that okay?
You can just choose to ignore this post, and that will be alright, no peer group pressure here.
Because i am not a group, I'm just an
unedumacted redneck individual that appreciates honesty and my freedom.
Which, I feel is threatened by higher and higher taxes.
And therefore,
I respect your freedom to ignore, anything I say.
Quote from: Ross on September 28, 2012, 05:38:57 PM
Oh. I got it. There are no accomplishments, right?
Or the Followers have been told to keep quiet, right?
Why?
Could it be the rumors on the street about the little company that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks founded, Elk Konnected, LLC are secretly recruiting 30 some like minded people to facilitate all the little circles at the upcoming Kommunity Konversation.
Ya, goitta have a facilitator in each circle or group inorder to control the conversation don't ya?
What does that "like minded" thingy mean?
Is that sorta like, I'll let you do my thinking for me?
Or is it more like, everything you say is right and my thinking is wrong, so I'll be ,"like minded" and follow your thinking ?
Is it a Like Minded Strategy Group, trying to Strategically control everyone else by using facilitators?
Oh, I know the dictionary definition.
But don't you recall the twisting of words to mean something different?
Such as the County Recreation fund that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks called a different thingy other then taxpayers dollars? If it is in, the Coiunty Coffers it is taxpayers money, no if, ands or buts about it. Every dollar in the County Coffers is property of the county citizens and is mostly controlled by our elected officials. I believe the recreation fund is regulated by state law as well.
Correct me, if im wrong, but twisting it to something as a different thingy is just wrong, IMHO!
Are you ready for a Konnected Kommunity Konversation, which really isn't a Community Conversation is it?
Do you think you can say whatever you want at Konnected Kommunity Konversation ?
Do you think you will be allowed to disagree with Elk Konnected, LLC at the Konnected Kommunity Konversation ?
Do you think you will be allowed to ask a direct question at a Konnected Kommunity Konversation and recieve a direct answer ?
If so good luck with that, because in my humble opinion, you will need all the luck you can get!
Will the answer come from a facilitator setting in your group?
Pay attention to who guides the groups conversation?
Pay attemtion to who takes notes?
Look for other clues as to who your facilitator is ? There will be one, IMHO, you can count on it.
Ever heard of peer group pressure?
Do you give into peer group pressure?
If not, perhaps they will call the sheriff to assist with that problem, do you suppose?
Just give it some thought, that's all I ask.
I think we need a very large turn out at that Konnected Kommunity Konversation, of people that think for themselves and are not afraid to question what is happening. Wouldn't that be great?
They will be prepared with their speeches, will you be prepared to just accept them?
Just my personal opinion, and I don't mean to offend anyone, just trying to open doors in to understanding is that okay?
You can just choose to ignore this post, and that will be alright, no peer group pressure here.
Because i am not a group, I'm just an unedumacted redneck individual that appreciates honesty and my freedom.
Which, I feel is threatened by higher and higher taxes.
And therefore, I respect your freedom to ignore, anything I say.
Ross at 6:38pm, you quote and comment on your own 1:15 pm post, from a question you asked at 8:08 am the same day. Tell me, you don't think anyone would find this obsessive, impatient, a little odd, crazy, next person to be on the news for a mass shooting? Seriously, you are going overboard. If there is another explanation for this seemingly erratic behavior let us know. I hope it is just that you have too much free time on your hand and this is so important to you that you have a tendency to go overboard.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 05:58:38 PM
Ross at 6:38pm, you quote and comment on your own 1:15 pm post, from a question you asked at 8:08 am the same day. Tell me, you don't think anyone would find this obsessive, impatient, a little odd, crazy, next person to be on the news for a mass shooting? Seriously, you are going overboard. If there is another explanation for this seemingly erratic behavior let us know. I hope it is just that you have too much free time on your hand and this is so important to you that you have a tendency to go overboard.
Aw shucks!
You are paying attention, that's great! That's real good!
How many others do you think are paying attention?
Sure, I'm a crazy retired old fart and a redneck hick simply enjoying life, with nothing else to do.
Why?
Perhaps, because the Followers hain't got no answers?
Please, don't let it worry you and interfer with your sleep!
Naw, no mass shootings from me, I may be crazy, but I ain't insane?
Also, I'm high but not on drugs.
High on life and enjoying it.
How about you?
Can't ya'all handle it? Ain't life fun?
Back on subject, let's get them thar Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office for the good of Elk County.
Did I mention, here are two very good candidates;
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Quote from: Ross on September 28, 2012, 07:00:10 PM
Aw shucks!
You are paying attention, that's great! That's real good!
How many others do you think are paying attention?
Sure, I'm a crazy retired old fart and a redneck hick simply enjoying life, with nothing else to do.
Why?
Perhaps, because the Followers hain't got no answers?
Please, don't let it worry you and interfer with your sleep!
Naw, no mass shootings from me, I may be crazy, but I ain't insane?
Also, I'm high but not on drugs.
High on life and enjoying it.
How about you?
Can't ya'all handle it? Ain't life fun?
Back on subject, let's get them thar Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office for the good of Elk County.
Did I mention, here are two very good candidates;
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Seriously Ross, that is your response. That is a response I would expect from a sassy teenage kid. In my day you would have gotten your mouth slapped for such a response. I thought you might do better. You can never be honest can you? All you can do is just spout off. Sorry if I tried to take you seriously, you have just proven you only are here to hear your own voice. I thought you cared about Elk County, now I see you just want to post your thoughts on the forum. I guess I will just have to try and have a conversation with your compadre Patriot since he can have a conversation without going into crazy teenager mode.
Sounds like that truce is working ;)
Is that the best you can do. Like you said, "That is a response I would expect from a sassy teenage kid."
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
Seriously Ross, that is your response. That is a response I would expect from a sassy teenage kid. In my day you would have gotten your mouth slapped for such a response.
What day was that, the day of the bullies?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
I thought you might do better. You can never be honest can you? All you can do is just spout off.
I do believe I gave you what you asked for and deserved. You just don't seem to appreciate anything!
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
Sorry if I tried to take you seriously, you have just proven you only are here to hear your own voice.
I have never asked you or anyone else to take me seriously. So, what's the problem!
I've said it many times, "Think for yourselves", haven't I?
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
I thought you cared about Elk County, now I see you just want to post your thoughts on the forum.
Oh, I do care about Elk County it's my home. I chose it for my home, I wasn't born and raised here, which means I really did choose it for my home.
And what is wrong with posting my thoughts? Apparently you don't like them. Sorry about that!
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
I guess I will just have to try and have a conversation with your compadre Patriot since he can have a conversation without going into crazy teenager mode.
Is Patriot my compadre? I didn't know that!
I wish you better luck trying your hand at communicating as in a conversation with Patriot.
By the way where is your sense of humor?
Where are all the answers to the questions posted through out this thread?
Don't you Followers have any answers?
I have a real good answer! New County Commissioners!
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Quote from: jarhead on September 28, 2012, 07:38:21 PM
Sounds like that truce is working ;)
But not very well, jar. The trouble with a tenuous truce being broken on the flank by one side, is that once discovered, all hell can break loose.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
I guess I will just have to try and have a conversation with your compadre Patriot since he can have a conversation without going into crazy teenager mode.
While I'll gladly have a conversation with you, we first need to take care not to make unproven assumptions... com padre? No, I just happen to agree with many of the observations Ross has made in the last year and a half regarding EK & its entanglement with government. Nothin personal... just business.
A whole lot of assumptions, Patriot.
In a conversation a person said something about me and my friend Ross. Like I've said before, I wouldn't know Ross if he ran up and kicked me in the arse---but I hope some day to meet the ol squid. I have a mental picture of Ross though---tattoos of anchors & MOM covering his arms he got at Subic Bay---always has a marked deck of cards or loaded dice just waiting to skin a young Marine out of his meager pay--probably still sleeps wearing a life vest and flippers on his feet, just in case the tugboat sinks. You know, just a typical swabbie . :angel:
Quote from: Patriot on September 28, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
While I'll gladly have a conversation with you, we first need to take care not to make unproven assumptions... com padre? No, I just happen to agree with many of the observations Ross has made in the last year and a half regarding EK & its entanglement with government. Nothin personal... just business.
Patriot, I am not quite sure what you mean about unproven assumptions ... com padre? What I meant by calling you and Ross compadres is the 4th most common definition which has to do with two people who fought in a war together. With out being too literal I think you and Ross are in a "war" against the problems with the entanglements of government and a LLC in Elk County. I think the way Ross attacks the problem hurts getting people to listen to something that I think is important.
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 09:21:57 PM
Patriot, I am not quite sure what you mean about unproven assumptions ... com padre? What I meant by calling you and Ross compadres is the 4th most common definition which has to do with two people who fought in a war together. With out being too literal I think you and Ross are in a "war" against the problems with the entanglements of government and a LLC in Elk County. I think the way Ross attacks the problem hurts getting people to listen to something that I think is important.
Thanks for the clarification, though I'm not sure whose 4th common definition you are using, as Webster simply defines the word as close friend or buddy. I don't think Ross & I are buddies nor are we close friends. In context, your explanation does ring true. We are ideologically on the same page regarding the issue you describe.
As a side note, I've met Ross and he's way to much of a crusty ole redneck hick barnacle infested deck swabbie (especially with those flippers life vest on) to be a 'buddy' to a flyboy... more likely a buddy to some old poker playing, bunker dwelling, fish noodling leatherneck. LOL
Quote from: Patriot on September 28, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
Thanks for the clarification, though I'm not sure whose 4th common definition you are using, as Webster simply defines the word as close friend or buddy. I don't think Ross & I are buddies nor are we close friends. In context, your explanation does ring true. We are ideologically on the same page regarding the issue you describe.
As a side note, I've met Ross and he's way to much of a crusty ole redneck hick barnacle infested deck swabbie (especially with those flippers life vest on) to be a 'buddy' to a flyboy... more likely a buddy to some old poker playing, bunker dwelling, fish noodling leatherneck. LOL
Sorry Patriot, I went old school and used the Webster's Unabridged Dictionary that I got at a garage sale. It has many more words and much more info than the online version. We are ideologically on the same page regarding several issues. I was hoping we might get closer on how to approach those topics and how we discuss them in a civil manner. There by we might be able to convince others to our way of thinking. Since I can't convince you or Ross to my way of thinking I will try not to complain about how you guys rant and rave. But when we lose our fight I might mention it to you again very strongly and blame you. :laugh:
Quote from: Fire Elk on September 28, 2012, 11:00:33 PM
We are ideologically on the same page regarding several issues. I was hoping we might get closer on how to approach those topics and how we discuss them in a civil manner. There by we might be able to convince others to our way of thinking
Let's hear your suggestions. I'm listening.
Quote from: Patriot on September 28, 2012, 10:21:12 PM
As a side note, I've met Ross and he's way to much of a crusty ole redneck hick barnacle infested deck swabbie (especially with those flippers life vest on) to be a 'buddy' to a flyboy... more likely a buddy to some old poker playing, bunker dwelling, fish noodling leatherneck. LOL
You are to modest Patriot.
I've said it many times, I lack tact and diplomacy, and some people just don't can't handle the cold hard truth!
That's why I have said many times, don't believe me, open your eyes, think for yourselves!
Oh and I lack all that edumaction that you got, Patriot.
I just ain't in yer class.
Thanks for the colorful discription of me, I enjoyed reading it and Jarhead's discription.
Sure started my morning with a big ---- eating grin. That's swabbie talk, LOL
But none of that prevents me from seeing when something is wrong, and as time has gone by, it seems to me it has escalted to terribly wrong. Even a blind person would recognize the wrong. No, I'm not picking on blind people! This remark brought back fond memories of a friend that was blind and had a seeing eye dog, back when I was a kid.
But all this is just my humble opinion.
I do believe many problems would be corrected by voting in non-Konnected candidates. These two look perfect to me;
Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich
Elk Falls & Elk Konnected20 Clues to Building Community*
The actual survey with with multiple choice answers is located at.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/survey_elkfalls.htm
(IMHO Something like this is not looking for real answers but to sucker a person in to being involved as being engaged. I prefer real answers and questions. Here is my response, truthfully what would yours be like?)
Please rate both Your Community and Elk Konnected on each of the following :
(And any Real and Actual Community)
But first --- Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner acknowledged dissing tow communities in Elk County as an excues for starting Elk Konnected. LLC. She also claims in a round about way to provide a better quality of life, better education for our kids and so on. But she provides no answers on how to do any of it, no solutions, nothing. why do you suppose that is? Is it perhaps all they know is how to beg for money and hand out
lollipops? Now the survey, their statements, not really questions are in blue.Evidence of community pride:
...our community is a show place of care, attention, history and heritageElk Konnected, LLC does not seem to respect the history and heritage of Elk County Government and its lack of control by a privately owned company. Because they have two Elk Konnected, LLC people as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners which gives Elk Konnected, LLC the controlling votes. Where is their pride in having a government of the people, by the people, for the people vs
Control by a Privately Owned Company?
Emphasis on quality in business & community life:
...people here believe that something worth doing is worth doing rightMost likely true, except Elk Konnected, LLC claiming to be a Community Organizer, seems to prefer working secretly, which in my opinion is not beneficial to the communities. They also want people from half way across the state to come in and control meetings. Apparently Elk Konnected, LLC lacks the proper leadership to lead a meeting. And now it appears they want involvement in our county by major planners from major corporations and have us be engaged by them! Those are people in my opinion who are going to be making millions of dollars while we are fed
lollipops?Willingness to invest in the future:
...in addition to brick & mortar investments, all decisions are made with an outlook on the futureI believe Elk Kpnnected, LLC's outlook for the future is, where is their next Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" dollar, is coming from.
I think they have that lined out themselves, by aligning themselves with a much more powerful organization that will bring in the big bucks to Elk Konnected, LLC. Is this truly about Elk County?
Not IMHO!
IMHO it's all about Elk Konnected, LLC and money and power. And they don't care who they use to get it. While giving you
lollipops. Are you willing to be used?
Are you willing to accept
lollipops?
Participatory approach to community decision-making:
...even the most powerful of opinion leaders seem to work toward building consensusElk Konnected, LLC already has control of Elk County Government and I believe they are after the control of the school boards. I also believe they already have several county employees in their pocket and are
using them. Is it possible that those county employees jobs may be in jeopardy if they are not involved with the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's organization?
Can you see the quagmire?
Cooperative community spirit:
...the stress is on working together toward a common goal and the focus is on positive resultsIMHO, Elk Konnected, LLC does not co-operate with the citizens, they apparently believe cooperation is a one way street. They lack the ability to communicate openly and honestly IMHO! They openly refuse to communicate on the Elk County Forum, by showing total indifference, can't you see that? We all know they are reading the forum but still they refuse to communicate. But Elk Konnected, LLC wants your full cooperation,
right?
Realistic appraisal of opportunities:
...our community builds on strengths and minimizes weaknessesI don't believe Elk Konnected, LLC with their visionaries and our County Commissioner has a clue, nor any substantial ideas to correct any weaknesses they might recognize. And no plans to do anything, if they did have a clue.
IMHO I believe Elk Konnected, LLC has done a very good job of dividing the population of Elk County, nor that their small group with all it's
failures has done anything but weaken opportunities.
Aware of competitive positioning:
...local loyalty is emphasized, but our community knows our competitors and we position ourselves accordinglyI believe Elk Konnected, LLC lacks this ability. Why? They would recognize themselves as being in competition with our County Government and the local community governments, pretty simple, huh? Where is the loyalty by Elk Konnected, LLC?
Knowledge of the physical environment:
...relative location and available natural resources underscore decision-makingElk Konnected, LLC, that is why there are maps available both in the court house and on the information highway – the internet.
Active economic development program:
...there is an organized, public/private approach to economic developmentI don't think so. I think it is more of an Elk Konnected, LLC meddling and offering
lollipops and lining their pockets (except for maybe the people they use) rather then being cooperative. Elk Konnected, LLC started a Wellness Center in Howard with Money freely given to them, but
failed at running the business,
failed and sold it?
Where is the economic development in their failure?
Deliberate transition of power to a younger generation of leaders:
...people under 40 regularly hold key positions in civic and business affairsDoesn't this speak of Age Discrimination? Is that what Elk Konnected, LLC wants? Age discrimination?
Acceptance of women in leadership roles:
...women are elected officials, managers and entrepreneurial developersAgain the discrimination attitude. What does gender have to do with it?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC have any LBGT on their staff ? Or are they discriminatory? Does Elk Konnected, LLC have any blacks, bi-racial or native Americans on their staff? Do they encourage such people to join their cause?
Or are they discriminatory? Why are they only interested in women?
Strong support for education:
...good schools are the norm, and centers of community activityI think Elk Konnected, LLC should become educated as to what the purpose of the school board is about. And if they have concerns take it up with the school board, the officials elected by the voters! Or is it they just want to upset the whole governmental system in Elk County. Does Elk Konnected, LLC want to replace the County, School and community governments and insert itself?
Is that their real goal? From the list on page one of this thread -----------
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)Aren't they actually just looking for total control under the guise of leadership?
Problem-solving approach to providing health care:
...health care is considered essential, and smart strategies are in place for diverse methods of deliveryIs Elk Konnected, LLC more qualified then the local medical community to make any kind of assessment? From where do they acquire their expertise? Elk Konnected, LLC hasn't shown the ability to do their own
problem-solving proven by
failure after failure by them?
How can they do problem-solving for others?Strong multi-generation family orientation:
...activities include younger as well as older generationsWe have plenty of festivals; rodeo's and parades for all ages to get involved in!
What does Elk Konnected, LLC offer? Do they offer a festival or a parade? Does Elk Konnected, LLC even participate in the local parades? Have you seen an Elk Konnected, LLC float in any of the parades? We have seen them leach on to the Elk County Summer Day Camps, haven't we? What does Elk Konnected, LLC do for anyone? Oh, they hold Konnected Kommunity Konversations but not actual Community Conversations, right?
Strong presence of traditional institutions that are integral to community life:
...churches, schools & service clubs are strong influences on community development and social activitiesThis is a given. But what does Elk Konnected, LLC have to do with religion or schools or service clubs? Absolutely nothing, right? Isn't this just a smoke screen to throw you off balance?
Sound and well-maintained infrastructure:
...leaders work hard to maintain and improve streets, sidewalks, water systems and sewage facilitiesWhen is Elk Konnected, LLC going to start making repairs or coughing up the money for repairs? What pot hole has Elk Konnected, LLC repaired? Have any of their volunteers repaired a pot hole. Or in the case of those that call donating money as volunteering, have they donated to repair a pot hole? I bet they want the individual communities to take care of their pot holes and other problems, right? Isn't that it, they want the individual communities to pay for those repairs and don't ask the Elk Konnected, LLC Community to pitch in and pay for it, right? They don't want money leaving their
Make Believe Community coffers to help real and actual communities, they only want money coming into their coffers from the real and actual communities, right?
Careful use of fiscal resources:
...frugality is a way of life; expenditures are treated as "investments"Why is it then the Elk Konnected, LLC is always begging for money, appliances, clothes? Why aren't they frugal enough to buy what they need? We have read about $85,000 that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks spoke of, right? And all the donations and what about the profit from selling their Wellness Center in Howard? How much money do they need? Do they pay themselves wages out of that money or where has it gone?
Sophisticated use of information resources:
...leaders access information that is beyond the knowledge base available in the communityHow narrow minded is this?
Ever heard of the internet? Perhaps some study about the PILOT program on the internet, may have yielded more money for Elk County? No, lawyers don't have all the answers and that's a fact! A little research on the internet about PILOT programs and more interest in the County's needs would have most likely made things better, possibly, yes?
Willingness to seek help from the outside:
...people seek outside help for community needs, and many compete for government grants and contracts for economic and social programsWhy didn't Elk Konnected, LLC seek help running their business, the Wellness Center? Why doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC seek help with their ethic's issues?
Instead of Only seeking help with Social Welfare for a few?
Conviction that, in the long run, you have to do it yourself:
...we believe destiny is in our own hands; making our community a good place is a pro-active assignment, and we willingly accept it.
Elk Konnected, LLC seems to already have willingly accepted it. Control of Elk County government that is! Don't you think, with two out of the three votes on the County Commissioners Panel, Elk Konnected, LLC through two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners has control of Elk County. Is that the DESTINY of Elk County? Is thiis the DESTINY you want for Elk County?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What would your written response look like to these statements provided by Elk Konnected, LLC?
Be honest with yourself! No body can judge you for thinking at home by yourself, because they don't know?
Perhaps your answers might be similar to mine, (no, not exactly like mine). Perhaps, this will help you understand why real questions go unanswered, why open conversation is forbidden, why you may have an unknown facilitator sitting right next to you! Perhaps it wil help you understand why the survey was set up with only numbers for rating your response, rather than real answers!
A final comment:
A Rednecks Opinion
I have been asked numerous times why I call myself a RedNeck. The most honest and simple answer is, because I am a Red Neck. Not because of where I was born, not where I live now, but because of what I believe in as a way of life, the American way of life.I have been asked numerous times why I call myself a RedNeck. The most honest and simple answer is, because I am a Red Neck. Not because of where I was born, not where I live now, but because of what I believe in as a way of life, the American way of life.
I contend that a large number of our founding fathers were RedNecks. I believe that it was the Rednecks' of this country that has made this country what it is today. For the most part,
it was not the educated, elite upper crust of society that set out across the unknown and uncharted parts of this country looking for land and room to be free. It was not, for the most part, the educated, elite upper crust of society that answered the call from the Texans to come and help defend the Alamo. Daniel Boone, Davie Crocket, both fine outstanding RedNecks.
For the most part,
it is not the educated, elite upper crust of society that has been the foot soldier in virtually every war that has been fought by the United States. When I look back over the list of the people that I have considered hero's in my lifetime, they have been RedNecks. You see, RedNecks are not known for their
diplomacy; to the contrary, we are an independent lot.
We have various religious beliefs, however, most are Christian. I must admit, there are not a lot of RedNecks that are agnostic. Most are conservative by nature; you have to be when you have to fight to get and keep what you have earned by the sweat of your brow.
RedNecks do not rely on the Government for hand outs, we believe in working for everything you have. RedNecks believe in the rule of law. We know that one of the great accomplishments of Western Civilization is the concept of the "rule of law" and no one is immune to the law. John Adams, whom I contend was a RedNeck, in 1776, declared that "America was a nation of laws, not men." Adams was born to a modest family, the founding generation of Puritans, who came to the American wilderness in the 1630s. Take the rule of law, henceforth, the thought that if you are in my country illegally, you are breaking the law, not about race; it is about the rule of law.
We RedNecks are serious believers in the Freedoms that are guaranteed to us as Americans. We believe that you have the right to worship God in the way you want. Your belief in God and your worship of God should not interfere with the way I believe in and worship God. Your right to freedom does not give you the right to take my freedom. Rednecks have been fighting and dying for generations for you to have that right to be free.
One of the best examples of this is Brigadier General Charles E. "Chuck" Yeager, USAF (Ret). Yes, Chuck Yeager is a RedNeck. If there ever was a man that deserved to have been given a ride in space, it was Chuck Yeager. The problem was Chuck
would not play the game that was required, and trust me, Chuck Yeager wanted a ride. Without this man and his ability to go that extra mile and break the sound barrier we would not be able to fly to the moon, have satellites and a whole host of other modern technology.
Chuck Yeager was
not a member of the educated, elite upper crust of society, born in Myma, West Virginia; he enlisted as a private in the Army Air Corps and became an aircraft mechanic. He entered enlisted pilot training and graduated as an enlisted flight officer. One little foot note on General Yeager before I move on, how many people do you know that flew fighter planes in WWII and Viet Nam? That is just one of the reasons that General Chuck Yeager is one of my RedNeck Heroes. Sir, you deserved that ride in space, sorry the powers that be did not understand that.
Chuck Yeager like most RedNecks that I know have a few things in common. One of the most important is
God, Country, and Family,
the American way of life. Most RedNecks that I know are willing to defend and protect all three to the death. The American way of life is very important to us, we have had generations of Rednecks that have fought to preserve that way of life. That is why although I am worried about the way this country is going, deep down inside I know that on the darkest day, there is a group of people out there that will still be fighting until the last one drops, to protect the American way of life.
We RedNecks have been accused of being racist. Yes, I know some RedNecks that are racist; at the same time I know some Blacks and Hispanics that are racist. Let's face it; no one group has the exclusive on being bigots and racist, just like no one group has the exclusive on being stupid. Yet, you will find left wing nuts that will tell you that RedNecks are stupid and uneducated, which shows you how little some people know,
I know a lot of educated people that are stupid. If you don't believe me take a look at the number of educated lawyers in Washington.
Of course, these observations are just one RedNeck's opinion.......
Author Unknown
In the 19th century, there was a turn in how terms like redneck were used. The word redneck, in particular, was no longer viewed purely as slander, but as
a badge of pride. Among those who shared this sentiment, it stood for
someone who believed in self-determination and individual freedom.ARE YOU A REDNECK ? Or are you a follower? Give it some thought? It is important iMHO.
"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace," Rod Serling once declared. And it's true today.
The mere act of asking an intelligent question now gets you harshly condemned. No questions are allowed. No intelligence is tolerated.
They demand total obedience from everyone.
Do they believe they have mastered a level of logic and reason above our cognitive grasp.
So is asking a question, itself, a violation of what they may call a higher reasoning logic?
So let me get this straight. By definition, then, no one can question them because the very act of questioning is not recognized by their team of visionaries or steering committee, or so called leaders (or board of directors) or any such mechanism?
In 1692, nineteen men and women were convicted of "witchcraft" and murdered by the townspeople because they did not buy into the status quo beliefs of the era. "Another man of over eighty years was pressed to death under heavy stones for refusing to submit to a trial on witchcraft charges. Hundreds of others faced accusations of witchcraft; dozens languished in jail for months without trials until the hysteria that swept through Puritan Massachusetts subsided." (http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Salem/Salem.htm)
It all comes down to a mind game, IMHO.Questions:
What business is Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk konnected, LLC actually in?
In my opinion, it is definitely not community development or a community organization, there is no money in that alone, now is there?
They tried to run a Wellness Center and made no money, so they shut it down and then sold it, didn't they?
And it was all paid for with "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, right?
So when they sold it, every dime was profit for them, right?
It's all about money, right?
Now, they want to start a Day Care Center, again with "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money, right?
And they have begged for appliances and toys and clothes and anything else they can beg for, that will be used in an attempt to make money, right?
And when they find they can't run the business, will they turn around and sell it for another profit, just like the Wellness Center, right?
But you, best not question their actions, because it is for the children, right?
By questioning these actions, you might look like a child hater, so keep your mouth shut, right?
Don't ask?
Don't ask how much money, Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC, has asked for, from the County Government and City Councils and School Boards, to pay to Public Squares Communities, INC for their tuition!
You probably wouldn't like the answers, after all, it is your Property Tax Dollars, right?
Can you see what they are doing to you?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Let's Git-R-Done
Mr. Ross in post #4642 you state the commissioners as upity wealthy people that have had everything practicly given to them. Who are you referring to? All of the commissioners have jobs.
Perhaps Ross is refering to government money received by the commissioners.
There's a lot people getting money from the government nowadays and that's
inclusive to all income levels.
and that would make them uppity? Again I ask you Redcliffsw do you reside in Elk County?
Well, I don't know whether they are uppity or not.
However, if they're on the government dole or programs, I'm of the opinion that's not good.
It doesn't make any difference whether I'm in Elk County or not. Wherever I am is
where I'm at.
evidently it does make a difference to Patriot and Ross since they continually bash Diane and others for posting when they do not live here.
Quote from: proelkco on October 01, 2012, 09:32:12 AM
and that would make them uppity? Again I ask you Redcliffsw do you reside in Elk County?
To uppity to answer a few honest questions with honest answers, me thinks!
And always on the defensive about their organization and it's secret activities, why?
I consider that hiding!
What are they hiding from?
Don;t we need open and honest answers from our elected officials?
I think we can get just that :
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Let's Git-R-Done
Mr. Ross would you please answer #4659
Quote from: proelkco on October 01, 2012, 09:56:00 AM
evidently it does make a difference to Patriot and Ross since they continually bash Diane and others for posting when they do not live here.
Not true about me. Diane was not adding to the conversation.
She was distracting by her petty spell checking and vocabulary checking.
She was also always comparing our little county with her vastly overpopulated county, hundreds and hundreds of miles away.
There is no comparison to her county which has numerous large business and two very large prisons.
And we were made full well aware of her depth of belonging to organizations.
None of which has to do with Elk County, Kansas.
We only have one little tiny organization that was founded by Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and that little organization is a privately owned company known as Elk Konnected, LLC which apparently gets it's instructions from Public Squares Communities, INC, from way over in western Kansas in a small community called Leoti, Kansas.
I even called Leoti, Kansas city hall several months ago and they told me they had never heard of Public Squares Communities, INC, Don't you find that a bit strange that the organization doesn't even operate in their home town?
Check Leoti, Kansas business directory for youself at http://www.leotikansas.org/businessdirectory.htm , do you see Public Squares Community, INC listed? Really strange isn't it?
Leoti is in Wichita County, Kansas and the county has a population of about
1,534 with a declining population! Where is the hope for that county? Why isn't Public Squares Communities, INC active in their own county?
Perhaps, because they, Wichita County, Ks. doesn't want to pay the $4,000 a year tuition or whatever the organization calls it, what do you think?
Do we need Kommunity Kommissioners that condone this junk?
I don't think so!
How many people in Elk County are Konnected?
Maybe 20 people?
Well, I say let them pay their own tuition and leave our city councils and county government and school board out of it. By involving these entities in paying out our property tax to support such a small group of people is just wrong and unethical in my opinion. Especially, unethical when the elected officials that are involved with the group and they vote to give them my property tax money and your property tax money!
Have they no shame?
Isn't it time to put a stop to the leaching off of Elk County citizens and property taxpayers and the school board funds intended for the education of our children?
Proelkco or any other
Follower, why such a small group of people that are being "DREAMERS", "Visionaries" and pretending to be the assigned saviours of Elk County, who have accomplished nothing in 7 years, but has failed over and over again. do they deserve one red cent more of any of Elk Countys tax dollar?
Whether they are county tax dollars or city tax dollars or especially our schools tax dolllars that are intended for our childrens education?
Remember we shut down two grade schools due to lack of funding and placed the children in portable buildings? How much more do the schools need to be robbed?
Wouldn't Elk County be better off with County Commissioners, ones like Mr. Ritz?
County Commissioners that are not Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?If you don't thinks so, please tell us all, why we wouldn't be better off with out Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
I'm sure everyone would like to know your reasoning?
Otherwise, folks as Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says, let's
"Git-Er-Done!"Let's get some real men in office, what do you say?
Talk with family, friends and neighbors and let's get a County Government that works for you and not some private company.
Spread the word ----
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Again Mr.Ross you did not answer my question.
Pro - Ross doesn't answer questions, he only asks them, and yet he berates those who don't answer what he asks.
And I sure like his bassackwards logic that if someone doesn't refute what he says, then it must be true. Yet, when someone does have the tanacity to present factual information that does prove his statement wrong, he just acts like the post never happened and deflects to some other grandiose conspiracy and/or supposed governmental malfesence statement, in the form of a question of course.
Quote from: crosstimber on October 01, 2012, 07:12:04 PM
Pro - Ross doesn't answer questions, he only asks them, and yet he berates those who don't answer what he asks.
And I sure like his bassackwards logic that if someone doesn't refute what he says, then it must be true. Yet, when someone does have the tanacity to present factual information that does prove his statement wrong, he just acts like the post never happened and deflects to some other grandiose conspiracy and/or supposed governmental malfesence statement, in the form of a question of course.
It is all very good logic, IMHO! If what I have posted were lies wouldn't you refute it?
A fabricated Example:
If you were a county commissioner and I called you a sixth grade drop out and said you failed all through those six years, wouldn't you refute it? Wouldn't you call me a flat out liar?
This thread is about Elk Konnected and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, not the least little bit about me.
Your right, I am not the one required to answer questions because I am not Konnected.
The Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are elected by and should answer to the voters, especially when they lack the ethics to recuse themselves when voting to give tax dollars to their privately owned company Elk Konnected, LLC, founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks!
By the way Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks spent some time on this thread but apparently could not handle the truth and left, never to return, so far. I guess she doesn't feel she can defend the secreacy and actions of her organization which claims to be a Community Organization. It really isn't with only, maybe 20 people involved, is it?
I think they are in business for other reasons and everything else is a scam, that's my honest opinion!
Prove me wrong, I hope you can. so please try real hard?
Again, you are right I am not here to answer questions and that is because I don't have any answers. That's why I ask questions?
I hope you understand that! That is real clear logic, don't you think?
Here is some more real logic, I think Elk County would be far better off with out Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and I hope people will talk about that with their families, friends and neighbors. Anyone can read this thread from the beginning and learn a considerable amount of information. I believe that is exactly opposite of what you want? Because of your challenging me, to answer your questions, why are you doing that instead of being a part of the solution to correct a problem in Elk County?
I think there is a terrific solution to the problem, will you help?
Will you discuss it with your families, friends and neighbors?
Or will you push for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners organization, LLC to continue to having the controlling votes on the County Commissioners Board?
It all sounds like the "Old Guard" Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks spoke of, don't you think?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
If it weren't so sick it would be amusing.... here, just as in national politics, when someone questions the behaviors or policies of a Democrat politician (or a Republican who follows the liberal leader like a starving puppy dog), the questioner is repeatedly attacked and maligned by all the politician's liberal supporters (and some supporters who claim to be moderate Republicans or independents). Looks more like the co-dependent spouses of abusers blindly defending their abuser.
Okay folks you have been told by the Followers that I don't know what I am talking about. Please take that for gospel. As I have said many times, please do your own thinking. However, I do appreciate you reading my drivel, I just hope it gives you something to think about and discuss. I apologize to the Followers for upsetting them buy suggesting that you do your own thinking.
Now a little of my opinion on Elk County Loyalty
There are in fact two kinds of loyalty the concrete and the imagined. Many people fall haphazardly into the fantasy of being loyal. They define loyalty upon the exploits of the organizations instead of loyalty to all the citizens, voters and taxpayers. They become cheerleaders for organization instead of stalwart champions of their county's citizens, voters and taxpayers.
In fact, true loyalty to Elk County is not about blindly defending one's privately owned company founded by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, true loyalty is about frugal use of the taxpayers money and to the benefit of all — even if that means standing against the power structure in place today.
The obvious answer would be to remove the elites who are poisoning the well.
The role of government is to be servant rather than master.
The goal should be to have government tangible and accountable rather than abstract and untouchable and answerable including Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC, don't you think.
Today, it appears we have no such accountability.
Now about Welfare for those of money?
Free markets are systems controlled by the people, thriving on the natural functions of supply and demand. They are not administered by bureaucracies (County Government) or corporate hierarchies that manipulate the economy to fit preconceived political and social ends. That means having "Welfare", for a few that have money, called property tax rebate through a proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program". Apparently the elite don't believe in free markets and supply and demand and therefore want to manipulate it via Welfare for those of money. It has been proven time and time again that this does nothing for the economy.
Just take a look at the $40 Billion a month that is being printed by the Federal Reserve Bank, how many jobs are being generated by that? That money is most likely disappearing into the bank accounts of the ridiculously wealthy. Just think about it!
How many jobs could you, yourself generate with $40 Billion a month?
This is pure intellectual idiocy or arrogant ignorance
or are the wealthy laughing at you and saying you commoner's are stupid? Yea, right here in Elk County as well?
Think about those that would benefit from this sort of Welfare, why are they stalling the public hearings, why are they dodging the issue and why do the Followers deflect or not answer when asked to prove any true economic development for Elk County? Prove that anyone wanting to build, will only build if this package is passed?
If you Followers can prove that, then you are telling us they will only build as a form of coercion and you prove my point, right?
Actually at least one is already started with out the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program, right?
Do we really need such a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Program, I don't think so!
I think everyone should pay their fair share of property tax, don't you?
We really need new County Commissioners, especially ones that are not Kontrolleed Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
I think we need independent County Commissioners that are not like-minded but are individual, self thinkers and have an interest in Elk County as a whole, don't you? Men without Displaced Loyalties, right?
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Elk County you rock, let's do this![/
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Used to be a lot of jokes made about the names given to the fine people of Arkansas and points further south---you know, like, Jim Bob Joe Dan. I see the practice of using multiple first names is still alive and well down yonder.
Sure it is only a cartoon! (at the bottom of the page, I hope)
But were you aware if the person that posted it
does the right things with the video and it goes viral on YouTube
that there could be conziderable money in it?
Child exploitation!
Isn't that what Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC does?
Exploit the children of Elk County by saying we are doing it for the children?
Isn't that the premises for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners approval of funding from the County Coffers, mainly from the recreation fund?
Shouldn't that recreation fund go to the real communities?
Should it be spent on children that live in another county?
I believe the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have Displaced Loyalties!
Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
Allowing Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging(stealing) our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to Elk Konnected, LLC, by the approval of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? I'd like to see some proof that Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Is its meetings off-limits to the public?
Are its inner-workings off-limits to the public?
Are you ready for the next Kommunity Konversation?
Will there really be a CONVERSATION?
Will it really be Elk Konnected, LLC?
Or will it be Elk Konnected, LLC leaching off of other organizations or possibly the State Government? With Elk Konnected, LLC only acting as the renter of a building to hold the meeting in and publishing the meeting. I believe the state has the ability to do their own renting and publishing the meeting, don't you?
I believe the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have Displaced Loyalties!
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
Well, well, well, Elk Konnected, LLC got it's very own article, Wow!
Today's Prairie Star newspaper page 3.
Big News:
The quote marks are there to indicate that I quoted the newspaper and I hope I didn't make any errors!
My thoughts and questions are in blue.Headline: "New daycare to open in Elk County"
"The Elk Konnected Action Team is setting up a day care in Moline -
The Busy Bee Daycare".
But it doesn't say when it will open -- so what is the real purpose of the article, I wonder?
What happened to all those thousands of dollars we discussed with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner right here on this thread? Let's scroll down through the article a little ways, okay?"The new daycare will be a
non-profit, state licensed facility serving Elk County and
surrounding areas."
Let's scroll down some more, okay?
"The team is currently
soliciting donations to help get the daycare ready for children."
When I read soliciting donations my first thought was begging, so just to be sure I looked up the definition, I could not resist posting it: from Merriam-Webster Definition of Solicit:
1 a: to make petition to : entreat
b: to approach with a request or plea
2: to urge (as one's cause) strongly
3a: to entice or lure especially into evil
b: to proposition (someone) especially as or in the character of a prostitute
4: to try to obtain by usually urgent requests or pleas <solicited donations>
Origin of SOLICIT
Middle English, to disturb, promote, from Anglo-French solliciter, from Latin sollicitare to disturb
Sounds like begging to me, how about you?
Anyway here is their list, perhaps you can help them out?
"Needed items include: washing machine, electric dryer, refrigerator, electric oven, shelves, pack n play yards, child sized chairs, child sized tables, or long tables with adjustable legs, toys, dress up clothes, balls, puzzles, blocks, baby monitors, CD player, DVD player, children's DVD's, books, art supplies, crayons, markers, children's scissors, glue sticks, glue bottles, paper, yarn, etc."
Wow, that is some kind of beggar list isn't it?
So, I think that must be the main purpose of the article, don't you?
Could I suggest, begging for a digital big screen TV for them kids to watch those DVD's on ?
And I want a winning lotto ticket? Any one want to donate one to me? LOL
Now don't go into shock, I'm gonna try to help. No joke!
I may know where a few appliances are, but they would have to take all or nothing.
A refrigerator, a portable dishwasher and a clothes drier. I'm making that call before I post this.
Well, I made the call and the lady said she will ask the group, she took my phone number and get will probably get back to me tomorrow night. I asked her not to hang up, when I told her my name. She laughed, and we had a couple of chuckles, she had a nice sense of humor. She was a pleasure to talk with.
I hope they don't turn the offer down, because of this thread. We will see, won't we?In the mean time let's get out there and vote in November for some positive Change, Okay? Let's change things, let's take our County Government back in November.
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
Ross, I can't imagine why you would object to anyone having a "wish list" to stretch their available start up dollars. Good for you for perhaps joining in. There are a number of people on here who put their hand out, one in particular, who looks for things for free or cheap every now and then. What's wrong with that? Is that also beggar thy neighbor? I don't think so! That's a double standard as I see it.
If people have extras or things they aren't using, what's wrong with passing it along? Some people haunt yard sales where one can often get big bags of age appropriate toys, etc. for next to nothing, or for free if they know what it's for. Good recycling in my book.That's true anywhere, not just in poor little exploited Elk County...according to Ross!
How does researching anything in New Castle County add to "conversation?" YOU brought it up in another vain attempt to slam me again for some reason. By the way, you got the number of prisons wrong. I rather doubt anyone is interested in that anyhow.
If I want to add something here because I'm interested, I will. Perhaps I'll start my own opinion thread. Seems to work for others. I seriously doubt anyone who reads anything I say will see it as a "distraction." Most people can read and retain information much better than that, and don't have ADHD! I haven't been here for some time and I find I'm still a topic of conversation? WOW. You still think you can excuse your attitudes by sticking a question mark at the end of anything.it doesn't work. Suggesting that certain people "line their pockets" and somehow exploit children isn't lost on most readers.No, they don't have any obligation to come on here after one try and one in particular was treated with great disrespect.
If this forum has that much clout in Elk County, where are your candidates? Wouldn't they want every opportunity for exposure? Are they afraid to risk tough questions? I doubt it, but where are they? Frankly, I had not planned to say anything more on this thread until after your local election...but since you pulled me back.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
Ross, I can't imagine why you would object to anyone having a "wish list" to stretch their available start up dollars. Good for you for perhaps joining in. There are a number of people on here who put their hand out, one in particular, who looks for things for free or cheap every now and then. What's wrong with that? Is that also beggar thy neighbor? I don't think so! That's a double standard as I see it.
Are you trying to be of help to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC?
I don't think it's working!
No double standard, not what so ever, please wake up Diane!
You just don't get it Diane! I'd like to suggest you go back to the beginning of the thread and re-read for meaning. But I know that would be a waste of time to suggest, so I won't.
I too have a wish list, so
no, I don't object to anyone having one Diane! I bet you even hae a wish list, right?
But Elk Konnected, LLC is not anyone, they are a privately owned company, an LLC. See the difference? And I don't beg the public to fulfill my wish list for me. I believe a lot of people have wish lists, but don't beg the public to fulfill their wish list for them.
Is Elk Konnected, LLC a Community organizer or a County Government manipulator with two Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, are they a for profit or non-profit Business?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC an expert in business operations that can advise others with help as they claimed a year or so ago? I don't think so, they failed running their Wellness Center after all the "Beggar-Thy- Neighbor" money was gone and sold it for 100% PROFIT, right? And I listed all the stuff they are begging for to start a daycare center that they will most likely fail at as well. They have a running record of failures shown through out this thread, right? I call it begging, they call it soliciting (check out the definition it the above thread), you call it a wish list? See the twisting of words?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC a business or a Community Organization, can they make up their minds? And how in the world can their Busy Bee Daycare Center be non-profit if they are not a non-profit? Really confusing isn't it?
Does that mean Elk Konnected, LLC is a non-profit? What exactly is what, with Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC?
So, about them trying to run a business, what is different? Did they do a feasibility study? I doubt it. Are the visionaries sleeping hoping for a dream? How many in home daycares are there in Elk County? I saw a bunch of women talking with a group that helps people get in home daycare licensed! How many are operating, now? Does Elk Konnected, LLC want or think they can put those people out of business? Who is willing to give up free daycare with grandma? Who is going to drive to another town (it doesn't matter which town or county) and then turn around and drive back through the town they left to go to work? Have you checked out the price of gasoline, lately?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
If people have extras or things they aren't using, what's wrong with passing it along? Some people haunt yard sales where one can often get big bags of age appropriate toys, etc. for next to nothing, or for free if they know what it's for. Good recycling in my book.That's true anywhere, not just in poor little exploited Elk County...according to Ross!
There is a difference between offering something and begging for something, very simple, huh?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
How does researching anything in New Castle County add to "conversation?" YOU brought it up in another vain attempt to slam me again for some reason. By the way, you got the number of prisons wrong. I rather doubt anyone is interested in that anyhow.
That was not a vain attempt, it was to prove you have nothing in common with Elk County. Read for meaning, please!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
If I want to add something here because I'm interested, I will. Perhaps I'll start my own opinion thread. Seems to work for others. I seriously doubt anyone who reads anything I say will see it as a "distraction." Most people can read and retain information much better than that, and don't have ADHD! I haven't been here for some time and I find I'm still a topic of conversation? WOW.
Who are you trying to kid. You are not a topic of Conversation!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
You still think you can excuse your attitudes by sticking a question mark at the end of anything.it doesn't work. Suggesting that certain people "line their pockets" and somehow exploit children isn't lost on most readers.No, they don't have any obligation to come on here after one try and one in particular was treated with great disrespect.
You have really gotta be kidding? My attitude! Really!
I ask people to think for themselves and that is the sole purpose of the question marks nothing more. And if you haven't noticed Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks hasn't disputed a single word or answered any question, has she? Perhaps you should question Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC attitude!
She has discussed on this thread and we are all sure she is reading every single post. Why? To keep informed which is only good business!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
If this forum has that much clout in Elk County, where are your candidates? Wouldn't they want every opportunity for exposure? Are they afraid to risk tough questions? I doubt it, but where are they? Frankly, I had not planned to say anything more on this thread until after your local election...but since you pulled me back.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Does the thread have clout? Where and how? It's just about asking questions and receiving no answers, wow, clout. Who'da thunk!
This thread is about Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. I just happen to throw in some advertisement for a couple of men in an attempt to replace Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that can't separate their organization from County Government. But Diane, why are you so concerned way up their in New Castle County, Delaware?
Try to have a great day, Diane!
Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 10:42:03 AM
I seriously doubt anyone who reads anything I say will see it as a "distraction."
In all seriousness, Diane, I see MOST of what you have to say as a distraction.
Well ,well, well. Look who rose up from the depths. I was talking to Ross and you answered. How about that!
To both of you, lots of organizations have wish lists or whatever definition suits your fancy this minute. Including businesses and schools.Ya don't ask ya don't get. If you see all of what I say as a distraction....,well, how's that ADHD coming along anyway? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ya keep pushing and I'll have to name names and I really don't want to. One on here asks often. Ya wanna slam him too? Accuse HIM of being a public beggar. I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, you are applying a double standard. It's OK for one person in business to have a hand out occasionally, but not someone else. Be careful, you are accusing one of your pals .
As far as my personal feelings,. I'm not trying to help anyone, but I'm sure not out to hurt them either. Can you say the same?
So I don't have a lot in common with Elk County...says you.You have plenty to say about Delaware don'cha? I'll have my own opinions just as you will! Freedom of speech and all that. ;) People can make up they're own minds about whether what I say is relevant without coaching from you.
It would be nice if people would get some information from other than here on the forum. This is dull and boring from constant repetition and is relying now on very old events from which most people have long since moved on. Stir that pot! Trash service ? After all this time? Keep it stirred up why don't ya?
As far as that wellness center, you are throwing half bricks again. You said yourself you don't know why it "failed",what happened to the money from the sale, or how much it was, or where it went, or what bills might have been outstanding, or any details at all.Yet you are coming to all kinds of conclusions unprovable such as" lining pockets" ...but some how if there is a question mark after it it doesn't count? Give me a break!. How and why? Where is the "running list of failures?" I know of one. It's a shame you were so pleased that it failed, and you seem to be hoping the new day care will also, so you can gloat and say ...."See, I told ya so!" Is that a nice way to be? When are you going to stop being so unpleasant ?
'Way back in the beginning I thought there were some good questions worded in a most deliberately antagonizing way. I didn't understand the "gotcha" attitude then and I still don't. The only thing I have come up with is that Ross was humiliated publicly way back when and has made it his goal to get even ever since. Of course he will jump on me now to disagree. It's just my own personal opinion. Read for meaning please! and explain why you think anyone has any obligation to come on here and talk about anything, least of all your existing commissioners.Why odes anybody owe you anything? Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say. :angel:
Quote from Diane :
Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say.
Thanks for that info Diane. Rest assured as soon as I hunt Patriot and Ross down I will smash their typing fingers with a ball peen hammer !! :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
To both of you, lots of organizations have wish lists or whatever definition suits your fancy this minute. Including businesses and schools.Ya don't ask ya don't get. If you see all of what I say as a distraction....,well, how's that ADHD coming along anyway? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
There is a big difference between asking and solicitation which is begging. Go to the bank and borrow the funds to run your business. Besides these are the saviors of Elk County with visionaries begging for money to save us. Who will save us from them?
B.S. the schools are funded by the taxpayers. All other is miscellaneous that has nothing to do with education in the classroom. If boosters want fancy football field or running track they should pay for it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
Ya keep pushing and I'll have to name names and I really don't want to. One on here asks often. Ya wanna slam him too? Accuse HIM of being a public beggar. I don't see anything wrong with it. Yes, you are applying a double standard. It's OK for one person in business to have a hand
out occasionally, but not someone else. Be careful, you are accusing one of your pals . [/quote]
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
As far as my personal feelings,. I'm not trying to help anyone, but I'm sure not out to hurt them either. Can you say the same?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
So I don't have a lot in common with Elk County...says you.You have plenty to say about Delaware don'cha? I'll have my own opinions just as you will! Freedom of speech and all that. ;) People can make up they're own minds about whether what I say is relevant without coaching from you.
Yes Diane your New Castle County, Delaware in no way has anything in common with Elk County, Kansas. What is so difficult to understand about that? Relevant to what? I don't tell people what to think, remember? I flat tell them not to believe me, think for themselves, and it seels you have a problem with that!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
It would be nice if people would get some information from other than here on the forum. This is dull and boring from constant repetition and is relying now on very old events from which most people have long since moved on. Stir that pot! Trash service ? After all this time? Keep it stirred up why don't ya?
If this is dull and boring, why do you keep coming back? That just plain dumb! Why don't you follow your own advice and get your information else where?
Again what concern is all this to you in Delaware? What do you care except to antagonize?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
As far as that wellness center, you are throwing half bricks again. You said yourself you don't know why it "failed",what happened to the money from the sale, or how much it was, or where it went, or what bills might have been outstanding, or any details at all.Yet you are coming to all kinds of conclusions unprovable such as" lining pockets" ...but some how if there is a question mark after it it doesn't count? Give me a break!. How and why? Where is the "running list of failures?" I know of one. It's a shame you were so pleased that it failed, and you seem to be hoping the new day care will also, so you can gloat and say ...."See, I told ya so!" Is that a nice way to be? When are you going to stop being so unpleasant ?
It's a shame that you don't understand, I am not pleased the Elk Konnected Wellness Center failed, but that is was not first studied on to see if it would work. You know afeasability study, like I have asked for the Kounty Kommissioners perform on the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that offers a form of welfare to a few people> Will they do a feasibility study or will they operate like Elk konnected, LLC and fail?
If question marks don't count why are you using them? Not very smart for you as an educated person, now is it?
You do raise some good questions, for instance and I quote you, such as" lining pockets" you are the only person that has ever suggested that. What do you know about it?
I have never said, and again I quote you, "See, I told ya so!" and I never gloat. Sorry to disappoint you Diane.
As far as all the failures, please go back and re-read the thread for meaning.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
'Way back in the beginning I thought there were some good questions worded in a most deliberately antagonizing way. I didn't understand the "gotcha" attitude then and I still don't. The only thing I have come up with is that Ross was humiliated publicly way back when and has made it his goal to get even ever since. Of course he will jump on me now to disagree. It's just my own personal opinion. Read for meaning please! and explain why you think anyone has any obligation to come on here and talk about anything, least of all your existing commissioners.Why odes anybody owe you anything? Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say. :angel:
Antagonizing! what is antagonizing about what I say in Delaware?
Nobody owes me anything with the exception of our elected officials. Especially Konnected Kounty Kommissioners since they are reading this thread and especially Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks who founded the
county savior they called a Kommunity Organization called Elk Konnected, LLC. She especially owes explanations to each and every taxpayer and citizen in Elk County, but not in New Castle County, Delaware and that is my personal opinion. She has also said many times she wears so many hats she can't keep them straight, do you really think that is a good thing in a County commissioner?
As far as antagonism as you call it, you come on here looking for it, just like with your posts today. It is not my fault that you have anything to say, you as an educated person should realize you and you alone are responsible for your actions, unless of course you plan to turn that responsibility over to me. If you do decide to turn that responsibility over to me, I must tell you in advance, I
will not accept the offer. Have a good day Diane.
Quote from: jarhead on October 04, 2012, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from Diane :
Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say.
Thanks for that info Diane. Rest assured as soon as I hunt Patriot and Ross down I will smash their typing fingers with a ball peen hammer !! :angel:
Ross and Patriot if you want I can send you copies of the voice recognition software I used when I broke both of my arms. Just in case jarhead reads this I will enclose two little mouth sticks for when jarhead cuts out your voice box. :angel:
Quote from: jarhead on October 04, 2012, 02:29:35 PM
Quote from Diane :
Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say.
Thanks for that info Diane. Rest assured as soon as I hunt Patriot and Ross down I will smash their typing fingers with a ball peen hammer !! :angel:
I'll be at the game in Longton this evening.
And i'll be wearing my steel tipped safety gloves, LOL
You can find me real easy, I'll be the ugliest guy in the park.
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 04, 2012, 03:09:20 PM
Ross and Patriot if you want I can send you copies of the voice recognition software I used when I broke both of my arms. Just in case jarhead reads this I will enclose two little mouth sticks for when jarhead cuts out your voice box. :angel:
Thanks Fire Elk, but jarhead's just trying to cozy up with Diane so she won't cast bad voodoo spells on him... he's a tad twisted, that way. Actually, since his accident, I'm not convinced the ole hill rusher even remembers what a ball peen hammer looks like.
:o
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 04, 2012, 01:47:27 PM
Remember your antagonism caused me to come back. It's your own fault I've had anything to say.
So quick to avoid personal responsibility & blame others for your personal actions. Just like Obama and his crowd. And yet you wonder why red associates you with the socialist mindset. I thought you had given up victimhood. Nobody 'caused' you do anything. Regardless of what the voices said, your pointy lil fingers did it all on their own.
Quote from Patriot:
jarhead's just trying to cozy up with Diane so she won't cast bad voodoo spells on him
You reckon she took a Pillsbury Doughboy doll, painted on some chin whiskers, added a pair of suspenders and is now sticking needles and pins in it ? That would explain these sharp pains I keep having in my back, knees and shoulders but how would you explain these sensations I been having like I'm being fondled ?----you answer that Patriot and there will be hell to pay !!!
Quote from: Patriot on October 04, 2012, 04:06:51 PM
Thanks Fire Elk, but jarhead's just trying to cozy up with Diane so she won't cast bad voodoo spells on him... he's a tad twisted, that way. Actually, since his accident, I'm not convinced the ole hill rusher even remembers what a ball peen hammer looks like.
:o
Now that you say that, I'm thinking maybe he meant a
ball point pen like Jason Bourne style. I don't know; but I ain't going to the ball game now. I was hoping to meet Ross in person too.
What is that strange sucking sound?
Oh... jarhead, I warned you that beer n straws don't mix.
I warned your sorry ass---walk'n, the Mile---Walk'n the Green Mile---Dead man walk'n !!!!
Quote from: jarhead on October 04, 2012, 05:38:06 PM
I warned your sorry ass---walk'n, the Mile---Walk'n the Green Mile---Dead man walk'n !!!!
What?!? LMAO
You guys had fun while I was gone, Voodoo, whoo,hoo!
The foot ball game was fun to, the score was 44 to 20 Longton Elk valley won over Burden Central.
I think the coach must be getting a big head, Elk valley has won 3 out of their 4 games.
The kids get to shave the coaches head tomorrow for winning tonight.
Time for me to say good night once again. But before I go I gotta say i might have to go Sarge hunting soon.
And i will find you! You'll recognize me when I find you, I'm a skinny, ugly old fart with no teeth.
Hey Ross, you don't have to hunt for me, I'm easy to find.
A different take on the Elk konnected, LLC Busby Bee Daycare:
Quote from: Patriot on October 04, 2012, 08:48:40 PM
It was with interest that I read the article in this week's Prairie Star announcing the new Busy Bee Daycare. Call me a cynic, but one can't help but wonder if the new, non-profit, company will be an LLC whose managing partner will be Elk Konnected, LLC. After all, it's the EK 'Action Team' that's starting this venture, no? Who is/are the action team this week anyway?
All legal, I'm sure, but what a wonderful arrangement for the EK folks. Busy Bee charges parents for daycare. EK then gets a management fee from Busy Bee. I'm sure those proceeds will be most helpful in paying Elk Konnected's annual membership dues to Public Squares, Inc. Ultimate tax consequences to Busy Bee/Elk Konnected? Zero.
Very clever, but at least they would be taking the money from willing parents/guardians and not out of the county coffers... that is unless they anticipate trying to take county rec fund monies as well. Let's hope not.
It will be an interesting study. We'll be waiting anxiously to review their state health dept licensing records & corporate filings. We'll hope this venture has better outcomes than the Howard Wellness Center had under Elk Konnected's planning & leadership. Unless it's the resume entry that really counts.
Remember, if it has involved EK in the past, real transparency has been a hard thing to come by. Heck, we're still waiting for answers to questions asked and tabled at the 'Who is Elk Konnected' kommunity konversation in Grenola last year. Answers that the facilitator promised would be provided soon after the meeting.
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But you know I wonder if they care about the familys they will probably hurt?
The ones that do daycare in their homes, the ones they will be taking work away from!
The familys that depend on that small income to put food on the table?
Do the beggars care? I doubt it!
Just my opinion!
Do we need Konnected Kounty Kommissioner that don't care about the familys in Elk County?
Do we?Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so Instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
Do they operate only to propagandize the many to the benefit of the few?
Displaced loyalties ? I think so, what do you think?
Allowing Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging(stealing) our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to Elk Konnected, LLC, by the approval of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? I'd like to see some proof that Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion!
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
November is coming up real fast!
Quote from: Sarge on October 04, 2012, 09:42:14 PM
Hey Ross, you don't have to hunt for me, I'm easy to find.
I'm looking forward to meeting you, soon I hope!
Quote from: Ross on October 05, 2012, 04:30:08 AM
I'm borrowing your post and posting it at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg197839.html#msg197839
I find it amazing the twist and turns in Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks operations.
Just think if the sole purpose is for their resume' the numbers of people that may be hurt by it.
The family's that rely on the income from in home daycare that my be hurt by the loss of income.
Then the familys that may use Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks daycare if it fails after two or three months,
those familys may not be able to find daycare again.
Great Economic Development move right?
Does Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks care and she knows her record of failure, right?
But does she care?
What the heck do I know, I'm just a retired, uneducated, redneck?
Only time will tell, and I hope and pray for the best of the families and children of Elk County.
My post from the Busy Bee Day Care thread:
Quote from: Ross on October 05, 2012, 04:30:08 AM
I find it amazing the twist and turns in Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks operations.
Just think if the sole purpose is for their resume' the numbers of people that may be hurt by it.
The family's that rely on the income from in home daycare that my be hurt by the loss of income.
Then the familys that may use Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks daycare if it fails after two or three months,
those familys may not be able to find daycare again.
Great Economic Development move right?
Does Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks care and she knows her record of failure, right?
But does she care?
What the heck do I know, I'm just a retired, uneducated, redneck?
Only time will tell, and I hope and pray for the best of the families and children of Elk County.
And here is another interesting thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14444.0.html
Some thoughts from an "outsider". So a new daycare center is opening. Why all the hoop-la, and negativity, because it has some affiliations with Elk Konnected? Will it be any different than if it was operated as the RosPat Daycare? Will parents be forced to pull their children from their current providers and move them to the new one? What about free enterprise? If parents feel the new center provides a better option for their situation, what's the problem? If they already have a provider closer at hand, and are satified with the level of care, why are they likely to change? Evidentlly there is a perceived need that the market for day care is not being fully met, and that another option has some viability. Maybe it won't be successful, but it won't necessarily be just because of who owns/operates it. Now before some of you start responding calling me an EK Follower, let me reiterate once again--I have no association, either in favor of or opposed to that organization. I am attempting to look at this from a totally unbiased point of view, which seems impossible for several of you.
Walked into the local coffee shop this morning and greeted by a spray of salt water in my face. Wondered what the hell was going on then spotted this ol swabbie sitting there---if he wasn't a hell of a sight---ugliest damn guy there, except for maybe me---had barnacles growing all over his legs and a parrot sitting on his shoulder---I says to myself ,"self, this has to be ol Ross" and sure enough it was. Invited the ol squid out back to the "smoke shack" and things went good until he said something "vile" about my beloved Corps---had to take his sorry ass to the dirt !! Just wish ol Sarge and Patriot had been there because I know them Fly-Boys would have stuck up for me.
Very good post ddurbin.
Quote from: proelkco on October 05, 2012, 08:10:40 AM
Very good post ddurbin.
Really? Doesn't that depend on where you stand on the issues!
Quote from: ddurbin on October 05, 2012, 07:39:20 AM
Some thoughts from an "outsider". So a new daycare center is opening. Why all the hoop-la, and negativity, because it has some affiliations with Elk Konnected? Will it be any different than if it was operated as the RosPat Daycare? Will parents be forced to pull their children from their current providers and move them to the new one? What about free enterprise? If parents feel the new center provides a better option for their situation, what's the problem? If they already have a provider closer at hand, and are satified with the level of care, why are they likely to change? Evidentlly there is a perceived need that the market for day care is not being fully met, and that another option has some viability. Maybe it won't be successful, but it won't necessarily be just because of who owns/operates it. Now before some of you start responding calling me an EK Follower, let me reiterate once again--I have no association, either in favor of or opposed to that organization. I am attempting to look at this from a totally unbiased point of view, which seems impossible for several of you.
There is nothing unbiased about your post, nothing at all Mr. Follower.
You don't take into account the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner involved and all the B.S. about Economic Development talk in County Government.
You also, don't take into account the Konnection between Elk County Government and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau.
You don't take into account a privately owned company that claims to be a community organozer begging for supplies, that are needed to open the daycare at basically no cost to the organization. While individuals have had the training and most likely purchased their own needs to supply for the children.
Unbiased my foot! You may be an outsider as far as being outside of the county, but you still appear Konnected, right, is that Klear enough?
I know for a fact that I am biased, and it would be very difficult to write something about this threads subject without being biased.
And as far as that Follower stuff, you definitly Follow along, on the side of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and you always attempt to defend them at every opportunity, which in my opinion qualifies yoou as a Follower. Sorry about that Bubba!
Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so Instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
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Quote from: jarhead on October 05, 2012, 07:46:20 AM
Walked into the local coffee shop this morning and greeted by a spray of salt water in my face. Wondered what the hell was going on then spotted this ol swabbie sitting there---if he wasn't a hell of a sight---ugliest damn guy there, except for maybe me---had barnacles growing all over his legs and a parrot sitting on his shoulder---I says to myself ,"self, this has to be ol Ross" and sure enough it was. Invited the ol squid out back to the "smoke shack" and things went good until he said something "vile" about my beloved Corps---had to take his sorry ass to the dirt !! Just wish ol Sarge and Patriot had been there because I know them Fly-Boys would have stuck up for me.
Yeah, but you didn't have your ball peen hammer with you, thank God.
It was a real pleasure meeting you Jarhead.
What is 'Klear' to me is that in your anti-Elk Konnected obsession, you have lost sight of reasonable thought. Time and time and time again you've labelled anyone who happens to have a different opinion as yours as being an EK Follower. Is there no possiblility of middle ground with you? Is everything an either/or with you? Is there no room for independent thinking? You talk about hoping people will think for themselves, but when they do, if it's contrary to your views, they become the opposition. If I don't follow along in your line of thinking, you throw me in some pool as being an Elk Konnected Follower. Wake up, take off your blinders for a moment, and really look at what you're doing.
One might say that Ross is the "fly in their soup", but if the soup is poisoned ? Wait, I just saw that old sailor doing the butterfly! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 05, 2012, 03:21:48 PM
One might say that Ross is the "fly in their soup", but if the soup is poisoned ? Wait, I just saw that old sailor doing the butterfly! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Thank you Bullwinkle, I have been so confuesd about what I am, I appreciate the clarification!
Now maybe others will get it straight.
Besides I tired of that big heavy spoon for stiring the pot.
But you can bet I won't be eating any of that soup.
But, I'll do that other thing that flys do untill there is some clarification and transparency or
untill we get new County Commissioners.
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Quote from: Ross on October 05, 2012, 08:52:11 AM
Yeah, but you didn't have your ball peen hammer with you, thank God.
It was a real pleasure meeting you Jarhead.
Ross, did you miss the ball point pen tucked neatly in to his Sweet Lacey Feed pocket protector? Maybe behind his ear, maybe just held in his hand?
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 05, 2012, 05:07:57 PM
Ross, did you miss the ball point pen tucked neatly in to his Sweet Lacey Feed pocket protector? Maybe behind his ear, maybe just held in his hand?
I didn't see it. perhaps it was hidden in that shaggy beard of his.
Quote from: Ross on October 05, 2012, 07:46:54 PM
I didn't see it. perhaps it was hidden in that shaggy beard of his.
Shoot Ross that beard is fake, he doesn't have a beard.
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This visionary (LOL) envisions a better tomorrow for Elk County Government with independent County commissioners.
Unlike the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's, that depend on or answer to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Organization that she founded.
Each and every one reading this is a visionary, can't you invision how a County Government without external controls and micro-management would make for a better Elk County? Can you see where property taxes might decline for everyone, instead of a few {who don't really need it} on the proposed; "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" aimed at giving welfare called rebates?
Are your visionary qualities working? Sure they are! Let's use our positive visionary skills to see that these two men will make a big difference, good idea, right?
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
I can see where it might be tempting Mr. Elk, but shooting Ross isn't really an option. Oct.5th.... ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ross, it's a joke...put yer mouth back on yer face. 8)
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Do they operate only to propagandize the many to the benefit of the few?
Displaced loyalties ? I think so, what do you think?
Allowing Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging(stealing) our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to Elk Konnected, LLC, by the approval of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? I'd like to see some proof that Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion!
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
I am bring a few of my thoughts from the Daycare being discussed atTopic: The Busy Bee Daycare at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14449.0.html for those of you that may not have read that thread.
It is about Elk Konnected, LLC having a desire to start a business, supported as a welfare company, with the intention of making money for Elk Konnected, LLC and supported by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners as I see it! And. I don't see how you can disguise that?
Will the Elk Konnected, LLC provide free daycare since everything they want to run the business with is being begged for?
I doubt it?
What do you think they will ask, $300 or $400 a month pauable on advance?
It will be free going only one way right?
If a family can't afford their prices will Elk Konnected. LLC be willing to provide free care to beggars?
After all they are begging for the stuff to start the Daycare, right?
Fire Elk offered up some information atTopic: The Busy Bee Daycare at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14449.90.html
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 11, 2012, 06:54:11 PM
http://www.childcare.gov/xhtml/links/g_1/t_6.html
The website offers links on the following subjects, but doesn't appear to be working right now.
Child and Dependent Care Credit
Child Tax Credit
Paying for Child Care (NCCIC)
What Providers Should Know About Child Care Assistance For Families Your State Agency Responsible for Child Care AssistanceIMHO using the children of Elk County as a crutch is just wrong, I think that is called
exploiting the children for the bennefit of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which IMHO has been the major tool of Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners!
So with all that positive you speak of is really not true is it?
If you have such a positive attitude, show it, say something positive about taking back our County Government and something positive about the following, please! Put up or stop all that positive crap! Show your positive, now!
That's why we need new County Commissioners and I recommend the following:
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Why, I think we need new county commissioners?
I think, we need County Commissioners that don't have displaced loyalties!
I think, we need County Commissioners that don't belong to organizations that say they want what is best for us as a county, but won't say how they know what is best, and won't say how they plan to provide what is best for us!
I think, we need County Commissioners that are not Konnected with an organization that may be Konnected to other organizations that we may not know about!
I think, we need County Commissioners that will run the county, without the interference of such inside or ouside organizations!
I think, we need County Commissioners that will put the individual rights of people above all other organizations!
I think, we need County Commissioners that lack all of the above entanglements, don't you?
I believe that Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich along with Commissioner Ritz will provide Elk County with such a County Government, free of entanglements.
I am posting a link to a short video at the bottom of this page that explains about some entanglements that bother me. I hope, you will watch it and observe the terminology and the methods of operations discussed!
Oh. I don't believe or trust anyone in positions of power or control; I question all of them and their motives.
I even question this video. And, I would suggest you do the same. Make up your own mind.
Are we to remain the United States of America or become part of the United Nations of Earth?
Which entity do you want to be?
The best place to start is right here in Elk County with our County Government, IMHO! Secure our county government with Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich, please!
Are you prepared with the first part called "Save The Tall Grass" and the organizations, and company's that come with it?
I'm sure a meeting is coming soon!
Please watch the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be
I sincerely apologize, I had other things on my mind and some how slipped and did not iclude the link to the web site dixcussed in the previous post.
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be
Elk County voters will have a chance to meet candidates and to get more information before the Nov. 6 general election. The Elk County Farm Bureau Association has invited candidates for county offices to participate in a moderated question/answer forum.
Scheduled for 6 p.m. Monday, Oct. 29, at the Cox Community Building in Howard.
I wonder how many times the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will mention Elk Konnected, LLC, or if they will completely avoid mentioning Elk Konnected, LLC because of this and other threads. It will be something interesting to observe during the Q/A, won't it?
To bad it is not in a debate form, then we might truely learn something, don't you think?
But doesn't this all kind of indicate why all the Elk Konnected, LLC followers have suddenly fell silent on this Forum thread?
I wonder if they will discuss the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that offers welfare in the form of a property tax rebate for people that don't need welfare?
Let's listen for key words that are shown in this video at You Tube, shall we?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be
Ross-
That is certainly is a good video. Liberals and communists will not like it
and they will not agree with you in most in any matter.
Stay right in there and stay on 'em.
Quote from: redcliffsw on October 16, 2012, 09:47:27 AM
Ross-
That is certainly is a good video. Liberals and communists will not like it
and they will not agree with you in most in any matter.
Stay right in there and stay on 'em.
Thanks redcliff. I find that video pretty terrifing.
Didn't the communists claim they would defeat us from with-in?
Doesn't this sound like just the way to do it?
I hear word on the street there is possibly a Konnected Kommunity Konversation coming up on the 30th the night after the candidates question/answer forum. I also hear it is about saving the Tall Grass. So I hope people listen closely to that video and the meeting for key words. The key words may change some but i don't think they will change much?
It may prove to be a very interesting meeting?
I wonder if they will manipulate the people, as strongly as they did with the circus of chairs and the Kindergarten stars?
Or if they have found a different way to manipulate the people?
I also wonder if they will proovide direct answers to questions or if they will deflect or re-direct so as to avoid direct answers.
I also wonder if they Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will have the Sheriff's department on hand to protect them from having to answer direct questions?
Only time will tell, right?
Again that video is located at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be
Here are some thoughts for you to consider.
If you attend a Konnected Kommunity Konversation and they ask you to write your name on a piece of paper in order to attend, why do you suppose they do that?
I suggest they do that as a first step to your commitment to their actions, before you even know what that commitment is?
When you attend a Church Meeting or a County Commissioners or City council meeting are you required to write your name on a piece of paper?
Really it is a form of commitment, IMHO!
It's psychological!
Just give it a thought.
I attended the meeting they held to compose the list on page one of this thread, I did not sign their paper, I did not accept a name tag, I did not accept a little colored grade school star. Yet, right here on this thread the followers tried to claim I was a member of Elk Konnected just because I attended the meeting which really want a meeting and it really wasn't a conversation. So, they are Wrong!
And more about commitment, check that list at the front of this thread, who was commited enough to the cause to accept responsibility for the "Elk Konnected Hand Out At the County Commissioners Meeting on April 25, 2011? Do you see any names or signatures?
Not a single name, not a single signature, not one person accepts responsibility for the list on the hand out, ask yourself why?
If the people of the organization find their efforts so important, why aren't they proud enough to put their names to the document?
Wasn't the document important enough to be documented by the members with signatures? Well I guess not.
You see folks you can't really hold anybody responsible for what they say, because they can always come back and say you misunderstood or you didn't hear what I was saying. Or they can blame someone else. Therefore, avoiding accepting responsibility. Pretty simple isn't it.
No one, not one of the suggestions had anyone accept responsibility or credit or them, why?
If you make a great suggestion, I would think you would want credit for the brilliant idea.
Apparently none were brilliant, right?
Especially this one or others similar to it:
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Or is it all about Plausible Deniability?
So, why your name on a list for them to hold on to?
Is "Save the Tall Grass" going to require a name? Why?
Is "Save the Tall Grass" going to require a signature on a pledge, why?
Isn't your word as good as the Elk Konnected, LLC's?
If so why names, why signatures?
Why doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC, if they are there for the people of Elk County, why don't they open their books?
Why doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC, if they are there for the people of Elk County, why don't they publish a list of their legal members? No, I'm not talking about their steering committee or any other committee, I'm talking the legal membership! Why keep it secret?
Why your name on paper and not theirs?
Why are people talked to about non-binding commitment or non-binding contracts, but yet required to put their names or signature on it?
Where is the non-binding once you put your name or signature on it?
Isn't your word good enough?
Apparently not, if you have to write your name or signature on it!
How does that make you feel?
Elk Konnected, LLC is not a people or person is it?
There is just people talking behind it, but no names on paper, no signatures, no commitment, IMHO?
So, what is Elk Konnected, LLC to be telling you and me what is best for you and me and Elk County?
They have shown us plenty of their failures, haven't they?
It even appears that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have failed as County Commissioners at bringing down the highest property taxes in the state of Kansas, right?
Yet they have proposed a "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" aimed at giving welfare to people that don't really need it, they call it a tax rebate! That's real good planning for all of the property taxpayers in Elk County isn't it? Those people that this proposal is aimed at apparently, already have plans to build, because a few have already applied for a program that does not exist. One party that was added to the list apparently, by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's, supposedly with out his approval, already had frame work built.
Is this the kind of County Commissioner Board that you want for Elk County?
Also, do you want the two Kontrolling votes of two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners adding more and more programs that benefit a few at the cost of the rest?
Do you want the two Kontrolling votes of two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners adding more and more rules and regulations and ordinances for controlling you actions at home, on your farm?
Isn't time for a couple of people to fill those seats, people that are equally or better qualified, that are not Konnected?
When is enough Konnected, enough?
I think now!
I think November 6th, please get out there and vote them out, vote in Non-Konnected for the benefit of Elk County.
Take back control of our County Government, please!
Quote from: Ross on October 12, 2012, 08:23:07 AM
I am bring a few of my thoughts from the Daycare being discussed atTopic: The Busy Bee Daycare at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14449.0.html for those of you that may not have read that thread.
It is about Elk Konnected, LLC having a desire to start a business, supported as a welfare company, with the intention of making money for Elk Konnected, LLC and supported by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners as I see it! And. I don't see how you can disguise that?
Will the Elk Konnected, LLC provide free daycare since everything they want to run the business with is being begged for?
I doubt it?
What do you think they will ask, $300 or $400 a month pauable on advance?
It will be free going only one way right?
If a family can't afford their prices will Elk Konnected. LLC be willing to provide free care to beggars?
After all they are begging for the stuff to start the Daycare, right?
Fire Elk offered up some information atTopic: The Busy Bee Daycare at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14449.90.html
The website offers links on the following subjects, but doesn't appear to be working right now.
Child and Dependent Care Credit
Child Tax Credit
Paying for Child Care (NCCIC)
What Providers Should Know About Child Care Assistance For Families
Your State Agency Responsible for Child Care Assistance
IMHO using the children of Elk County as a crutch is just wrong, I think that is called exploiting the children for the bennefit of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which IMHO has been the major tool of Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners!
So with all that positive you speak of is really not true is it?
If you have such a positive attitude, show it, say something positive about taking back our County Government and something positive about the following, please! Put up or stop all that positive crap! Show your positive, now!
That's why we need new County Commissioners and I recommend the following:
So let's get out there and vote for some positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Ross and Patriot I am back.
Ross, you posted something for the government website Recovery.gov and I posted something for Childcare.gov. While it is a small complaint; I will say that it is irksome that both websites were not working properly. Just adds to the complaints we can have about government from local to federal. That we can agree on.
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 17, 2012, 06:45:20 PM
Ross and Patriot I am back.
...Just adds to the complaints we can have about government from local to federal. That we can agree on.
Welcome back. Please refresh my ailing memory regarding the common complaints we have about local government.
Quote from: Patriot on October 17, 2012, 06:55:53 PM
Welcome back. Please refresh my ailing memory regarding the common complaints we have about local government
/quote]
Patriot, if your memory is ailing then it would do no good to tell you again. :) Since, that is not the case; let us argue\debate specific topics. I promise I will let you know when I disagree with you. Please, do the same.
Fire Elk
nice Dodge, but I prefer Ford. ;D
Perhaps we can start with these:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14492.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14492.0.html)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14495.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14495.0.html)
Quote from: Patriot on October 17, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
nice Dodge, but I prefer Ford. ;D
Perhaps we can start with these:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14492.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14492.0.html)
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14495.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14495.0.html)
Because of you, as I told you I would in another thread, I have been reading about UN Agenda 21. I am not a Dodge man; I too prefer a Ford; a 1967 Ford Shelby GT Mustang 500.
Quote from: Ross on October 17, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
Perhaps the forum posts prior to Elk Konnected, LLC were different, I don't know. But politics is a touchy thing isn't and some people just don't like the truth or like to give truthful answers do they? So the ball rolls and rubs some people wrong, right? So the snide remarks and name calling happens, right.Quote
YES IT WAS DIFFERENT BEFORE YOU CAME ALONG. A BROADER FORUM OF IDEAS AND A BETTER COMMUNITY. WE DISAGREED MORE BUT WITHOUT THE NAME CALLING. WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN MICKEY LOSES AGAIN? EVEN IF MR. HEBB GET'S ELECTED, MS. HENDRICKS STILL HAS POWER AND INFLUENCE IN THE COUNTY.
Quote from: Ross on October 17, 2012, 08:23:30 PM
Perhaps the forum posts prior to Elk Konnected, LLC were different, I don't know. But politics is a touchy thing isn't and some people just don't like the truth or like to give truthful answers do they? So the ball rolls and rubs some people wrong, right? So the snide remarks and name calling happens, right
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 17, 2012, 10:06:45 PM[/color]
YES IT WAS DIFFERENT BEFORE YOU CAME ALONG. A BROADER FORUM OF IDEAS AND A BETTER COMMUNITY. WE DISAGREED MORE BUT WITHOUT THE NAME CALLING. WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN MICKEY LOSES AGAIN? EVEN IF MR. HEBB GET'S ELECTED, MS. HENDRICKS STILL HAS POWER AND INFLUENCE IN THE COUNTY.
The forum has many threads with several thousand topics and this is but just one of the many.
Yet, you compare the forum to just this thread, now that is real nonsensical, IMHO.
You use the word influence as though it is power which is true.
And she may have power over you but not over me and a few other people on this thread.
And I believe that is why this thread has been filled with threats and name calling started by and mostly by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Followers. I have always tried to be civil with the followers and at times it has been extremely difficult.
What is the real main difference is it, that you are not accustomed to people not bowing bowing down to the few?
Is it that, you don't like people asking honest questions?
What is different?
Is it that you don't want the truth known?
You seem to think you have all the answers, perhaps you can answer a few questions for those of us that don't know, please.
Tell us honestly, did Konnected Kounty Kommissioner actually quit West Elk High School on her own or was she asked to quit?
Tell us honestly, did some other Konnected Kounty Employee, actually quit West Elk High School on her own or was she asked to quit?
What were the actual circumstances?
Was it all that influence that prevented someone from being fired outright directly?
What is the truth? I just bet you don't know! Therefore, you probably don't know the truth about this forum!
Or you might twist what you say to meet your own means, IMHO!
Just as ignoring the fact that this forum has numerous topics and several thousand threads proves you are centered on this thread, right?
This is a great forum and the owners should be thanked graciously for providing it, don't you think?
In the mean time, I strongly believe this county needs better people on the County Commissioners Board.
And I Hope, the good citizens of Elk County feel the same way and vote November 6th for a better county government.
Afterall when the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have failed at lowering county property taxes and appear to want to give tax rebates to friends, relatives and cronies it is time for serious change. IMHO
I believe Elk County deserves better people in the driving seats of our county government.
I believe Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich are those two people. \
I believe they are individuals that will think for themselves and work together with Mr. Ritz to bring improvement to Elk County.
That is different from the incumbents, the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, that have demonstrated even during County Commissioners meetings their loyalty to Elk Konnected, LLC versus County business, IMHO.
The Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have failed to lower property taxes in Elk County which are the highest in Kansas. But they have shown a desire to give welfare to their friends, relatives and cronies through a proposed program that provides that welfare in the form of a property tax rebate.
Is this what the form of government the people want?
Do the people want the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners non-governmental organization (NGO) holding meetings aimed a manipulating a few county citizens in order to start new programs with-in the county?
I don't think so.
Fire Elk,
Power and influence over what ? ::)
For someone spouting peace and harmony gibberish, you certainly don't aspire to that by coming on here and baiting people into arguing/ debating with you. Ocassionly you show glimpses of intelligence, but these last posts.......hmmmm.
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 17, 2012, 10:06:45 PM[/color]
YES IT WAS DIFFERENT BEFORE YOU CAME ALONG. A BROADER FORUM OF IDEAS AND A BETTER COMMUNITY. WE DISAGREED MORE BUT WITHOUT THE NAME CALLING. WHAT WILL YOU DO WHEN MICKEY LOSES AGAIN? EVEN IF MR. HEBB GET'S ELECTED, MS. HENDRICKS STILL HAS POWER AND INFLUENCE IN THE COUNTY.
Don't you perhaps mean before Elk Konnected, LLC and
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and phoney list like the one at the the beginning of this thread?
But then again you don't really want to face the actual facts do you?
Was there an Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 thread before or after Elk Konnected, LLC and
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and phoney list?
Now, really try the truth? Which came first?
I bet you get the answer wrong. Please try?
How about discussing it over a cup of coffee?
Wow!!! The thread that never dies. ::)
Wow Ross are you calling over a hundred people in Elk Co. Liars? The list was from the citizens in Elk Co. It was presented to County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills. You should know that since you are all knowing. Mrs. Hendricks resigned as volleyball coach. No one asked her to. If you want to start rumors so be it or you could call one of the school board members.
Quote from: proelkco on October 18, 2012, 06:34:22 PM
Wow Ross are you calling over a hundred people in Elk Co. Liars? The list was from the citizens in Elk Co. It was presented to County Commissioners by Mrs. Mills. You should know that since you are all knowing. Mrs. Hendricks resigned as volleyball coach. No one asked her to. If you want to start rumors so be it or you could call one of the school board members.
Wow, those are your words not mine!
I have not called anyone a liar!
Where do you get off with such Bull Shit?
There is not one single name of a citizen of Elk County attached to that list?
Not one?
Show me a name on the list, you can not do it?
Everything is secret with our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their Elk Konnected, LLC and that leaves a lot to be desired and explained IMHO.
All them circles of chairs and all the manipulation of people at that particular Konnected Kommunity Konversation and the shuffling of little pieces of paper and who knows what happened behind closed doors. Perhaps all the little papers were just thrown out and an already prepared list turned in, who knows?
Why closed doors if it is a community thing?
Why hide who suggested what?
Perhaps because no ones suggestions were used?
Asking a question is far from starting a rumor, or are you suggesting that a rumor exists?
Sir, your method of confrontation sucks.
It is my opinion that we need Elk Konnected, LLC out of our county government.
And I hope and pray that enough others feel the same way and that they write in Mr. Wunderlich and vote for Mr. Hebb.
I believe this would provide a more stable Elk County Government.
Thank you!
Ross, I never claimed the moral high ground. Welcome back to politics. :angel:
Fire Elk
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 19, 2012, 06:15:26 PM
Ross, I never claimed the moral high ground. Welcome back to politics. :angel:
Fire Elk
What exactly is the moral high ground?
Is that what Jerry Sandusky was with his organization known as the Second Mile and a University's reputation at stake?
Is that what all the banking industry Leadership had when they created the financial mess?
Is that what the catholic religion and their Leaders had when they hide all the abuses in the church?
Is that what the Boy Scouts and all their Leaders had when they hid all the sexual abuses over the las number of decades?
I suppose even all the high ranking officers that have been thrown out of the military over the last couple of years, had the moral high ground as well? (This one hurts me the most, because I was proud of my military service, until the so called Leadership started deterorating).
That appears to be representative of the moral high ground, IMHO.
I suppose there are so many more examples of the moral high ground of
Leadership that could be posted but that should cover it.
Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of a university laboratory.
Rather then listening to the twisted meaning of words such as
Moral high ground and what is politically correct,
I prefer an honest redneck anytime, thank you!Yes, give me an honest redneck anytime,
over so called socialites?Do we want honest rednecks in office or phoney socialites?
I would think the voters would appreciate honest rednecks!
Rednecks get the job done!
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Agenda 21 for Public Officials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I&feature=youtu.be
I think they should have also said NGO's which are Non Govenrmental Organizations!
After viewing the "Rudy Taylor and Dale Smith" thread, I think the
liberals prefer to keep the "Coffee Shop" thread for their views.
Ross-
Obviously, when you post over there, you're in their territory and that's
a threat to them and their liberal thinking.
QuoteI think the liberals prefer to keep the "Coffee Shop" thread for their views.
wow! I am not affiliated with any political party. You paint a very broad brush stroke with a very specific paint that it is in not any color I recognize, nor with would I be affiliated.
I enjoy the coffee shop as it is usually void of confrontation.
I have no problem with confrontation, if it is agreed that is needs to be somewhat civilized.
ready
Quote from: Ross on October 20, 2012, 08:19:06 AM
Agenda 21 for Public Officials
I think they should have also said NGO's which are Non Govenrmental Organizations!
Ross, paste the you tube video URL(link). Highlight it and hit the you tube icon located below the "B" bold icon and above the smiley :). Then it will show up on the forum. Just telling you, if that is what you would like to do. Not picking a fight.
I hadn't thought of that Fire Elk, I'll try to remember that.
Thank You.
IMHO, I find the following (utilizing EK's often used word) positive only a little stronger, POSITIVELY SHAMEFUL!Well this weeks newspaper front page
Big Bold Red letters
Elk Konnected Punt, Pass Kick event to be Sunday afternoon.
Sorry, folks I think this
NGO has bamboozle us again, IMHO!
Do they think the citizens of Elk County are stupid?
Check it out:
This event is listed with the NFL at http://www.nflppk.com/competitions/register/index/14982
The NFL calls it PP&K (Punt,Pass&Kick)The event is registered as (I copied and pasted from the NFL web site):
West Elk High School Football Stadium1199 Kansas Highway 99 Howard, KS 67349
October 21, 2012 at 2:00 PM
And is registered by:Host name: Jennifer Brummel
Email: growingelkcounty@gmail.com
Phone: 620-205-8514
It's all right there on the NFL web site: http://www.nflppk.com/competitions/register/index/14982
Please note that our El
k County Youth Development Employee, that is paid using our taxpayers dollars
registered for this event using her Elk County e-mail address and her Elk County phone number. And I would assume, she did this while on the Elk County payroll. Check out the Elk County Youth Development Corodinator web page at http://www.elkcounty.org/youth-development.htm for phone number and e-mail address. And also note the Youth Development Employlee doesn't even list this event on her calender of events, I wonder why?
October Events:•Youth Development (0) Check it out at http://www.elkcounty.org/module/events.htm?pageComponentId=143454&month=10&year=2012 .
Who do you think is responsible for any accidents that might happen at the West Elk School District Campus?
Is it Elk Konnected?
or
The property taxpayers with in the West Elk School District Campus?
Who pays for the liability insurance at the West Elk School District Campus is it you the property taxpayer or
Elk Konnected,LLC ?What exactly is
Elk Konnected, LLC's input to this event?
I ask where do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners keep their shame?
Is this behavior by Konnected Kounty Kommissioners a good example for the youth of
Elk County? I don't think so, do you?
So, how come it is front page in the newspaper as an Elk Konnected, LLC event? Have they or their leaders
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have no shame?
We the property taxpayers are
IMHO paying for this event, which our children should participate in under the name
Elk County Punt, Pass & Kick, Event not
Elk Konnected, LLC's name!
Where is the honesty in this mislabeling?Why is our
Konnected Kounty Kommisioner allowing such shameful activity on the behalf of her NGO?
These type of things, are what the
FOLLOWERS call doing good for the county and the people of all ages, is it really doing good to mis-represent onself? I don't think it is, do you?
Really, folks don't you think it's time to separate the
NGO (
non governmental organization) from our local
Elk County Government?Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Don't you think it's time?Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Quote from: Ross on October 21, 2012, 06:01:36 AM
Please note that our Elk County Youth Development Employee, that is paid using our taxpayers dollars registered for this event using her Elk County e-mail address and her Elk County phone number...
Where is the honesty in this mislabeling?
There is no shame... and there seems to be no line left between the Elk County government and this privately owned company. I guess they missed all their government classes in school. They surely don't demonstrate any understanding. These folks are just a local extension of the Obama governing style: liberal progressive cronyism. And here I thought Elk county represented solid American values of limited government. Of course when you elect supporters of the Democrat party platform, this is what you get. So much for
of the people, by the people and for the people. Not to worry citizens, it's only money... YOUR money. Principles be damned.
Patriot I'll say it out right shame on the whole bunch, Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for letting it happen and,
shame on the followers for thinking these are such great things being done in their names. IMHO!
Shame, Shame, Shame!
What will they do next with no Shame!
I took a drive by to check out the Elk Konnected Punt, Pass & Kick event this afternoon. I was. hoping to see some activity and that is what I saw.
I saw all of 11 small children competing, they appeared to be under ten years of age.
I wonder what happened to all the rest of the children of Elk County?
Didn't they get the word at school?
And there are a lot more children in Elk County, aren't there?
Was it poor development, planning and promoting?
Or was it just about getting Elk Konnected, LLC in this weeks newspaper front page in Big Bold Red letters.
I bet they are in next weeks paper again with a story of a great turn out!
Really, what is it really all about?
Perhaps our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks can tell us how this event was promoted besides a last minute front page newspaper story with Elk Konnected, LLC in Big Bold Red letters?
I'd also like to ask her why the event wasn't listed on our County web site under Youth Development?
Does her recommended Youth Development Employee know how to promote a County event?
Elk Konnected, LLC recommended and suggested hioring this employee to the County Commissioners, so tell us, is she really qualified for the job?
Or again, I ask was this done just to promote Elk Konnected, LLC in the newspaper?
Answers would be appreciated, thank you!
Just as a point of clarification, I was visiting with a mother who had 2 children competing in the PP&K event Sunday, and she reports that the number of participants was somewhere between 30-35.
Quote from: ddurbin on October 22, 2012, 07:47:32 AM
Just as a point of clarification, I was visiting with a mother who had 2 children competing in the PP&K event Sunday, and she reports that the number of participants was somewhere between 30-35.
That's fantastic. Can you clarify your views on the use of taxpayer resources to promote the privately run event?
Really to me it is not about the children.
It is about promoting the event, was there a real effort to promote it!
I didn't see any flyers in the stores, i didn't see any note from the school, that's what that was about!
Be it 11 or 35 children, it was still a poor turnout! Will anyone give thought as to why such a poor turnout?
I'm all for the children, if handled properly and our Youth Development Employee doesn't surrender credit to those that don't deserve credit.
I take Exception with what I consider exploitation by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and her Elk Konnected, LLC in order to make headlines on the front of the newspaper in big red letters, no less.
It's about our County Youth Development Employee earning a salary from us, the taxpayers to do the job! I believe she just happens to be on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering Committee.
It's about our County Youth Development Employee utilizing our county computers and our other machinery and our cell phone to do her job for us and then allowing Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC take credit for the event.
If our County Youth Development Employee want's to be the Youth Development person for Elk Konnected, LLC, I'd like to suggest that she ask them for a wage and go to work for them? She could still be working for Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and the county could save a considerable sum of tax dollars?
If one would look at the calendar on the Elk County Web site for our Youth Development you would see no youth development activities, so why do we need the job position on the Elk County Payroll?
I know for certain that notes were sent home with children. I believe it was about two weeks ago that my child brought home the note which included a registration form. I attended and must say that your observation of 11 children was quite inaccurate. I don't care who gets credit for the event, as long as someone steps up to the plate to provide Elk County children with opportunities that they might not otherwise have.
As far as a poor turnout, that is your opinion. Believe it or not, we live in a world where some parents don't want to get off their selfish butts and provide for their children; let alone take them to participate in a something the child might be interested in. Sad..
Quote from: daisy on October 22, 2012, 12:04:51 PM
I know for certain that notes were sent home with children. I believe it was about two weeks ago that my child brought home the note which included a registration form. I attended and must say that your observation of 11 children was quite inaccurate. I don't care who gets credit for the event, as long as someone steps up to the plate to provide Elk County children with opportunities that they might not otherwise have.
As far as a poor turnout, that is your opinion. Believe it or not, we live in a world where some parents don't want to get off their selfish butts and provide for their children; let alone take them to participate in a something the child might be interested in. Sad..
Daisy this may sound ugly, but it is not meant to sound that way!
Sometimes the truth hurts !!
But it appears to me that
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Elk Konnected, LLC and their
Followers don't seem to care who gets credit as long as it's
Elk konnected, LLC, and not all the property taxpayers of Elk County !!
Why do you suppose that is?
There sure seems to be a major break with scruples and morales among that crowd, again IMHO!
And, I apologize only to you specifically, for saying the truth, if you are in that group of people.
Can you see why we need new County Commissioners, it wouould provide a clear and seperate line between the self serving
Elk Konnected, LLC crowd and our County Government. Very simple, huh?
They are self serving in my opinion when they take credit for anything done by our County Government!
For instance, this event yesterday and the Elk County Summer day Camps.
Very self serving, IMHO.
The PPK was not about who got credit for it. It was about doing something for the kids. If you did not think it was a good program then that is you right.
Quote from: proelkco on October 22, 2012, 12:59:26 PM
The PPK was not about who got credit for it. It was about doing something for the kids. If you did not think it was a good program then that is you right.
No one said anything was wrong with the PPK or the children.
Elk Konnected, LLC advertising on the front page of the newspaper for their own benefit, in big red letters for something that Elk County Government was responsible for is what was wrong, IMHO
Elk ook credit by that act.
The PPK is a contest offered by the NFL.
Also last week's newspaper included an article about a Kommunity Konversation
"Flint Hills Frontier invites the citizens of Chatauqua, Cowley, Elk and Greenwood counties to join in a discussion."
A discussion about the vitality of the Flint Hills Region! Really?
Really a discussion? Just a discussion? Nothing more?
"To be held at the Grenola Community Building Tuesday Oct, 30 at 7 pm."
Who invited them to Elk County?
My bet Elk Konnected, LLC, who do you think?
"The discussion to be convened by Flint Hills Regional Council and Elk Konnected"
Why do they always leave the LLC off of Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Which is it Flint Hills Frontier or Flint Hills Regional Council that will be here?
Another NGO - Non-Governmental Organization !
Moving on, okay!
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From Filint Hill Frontiers web site, http://flinthillsfrontiers.org/faq
(My remark in blueTheir info in quotation marks, between dividers)
"What is Flint Hills Frontiers?
Flint Hills Frontiers is an opportunity to come together and explore the future of our homeland. Over the next three years, we, the people of the Flint Hills ecoregion, have the chance to establish our priorities and desired future, and set a path to getting there. The project came to be through a collaborative application to the federal government for funds to carry out this work by many organizations throughout the Flint Hills. These organizations, which we are calling the Consortium, have also pledged their own commitment toward the effort, through in-kind services, facilities, and dollars. The impetus for the application for these funds was twofold: the recognition of the Flint Hills ecoregion as a unique and special place within this nation, and the benefit that can be gained through a collaborative process of sharing where we are, where we want to be, and how we're going to get there in the short- and long-term futures."
Another NGO-nongovernmental organization, sorta like Elk Konnected, LLC. Only it appears to be much larger. And coming to Elk County, October 30th, thank you Elk Konnected, LLC ?
"Who is paying for this?
The Consortium won a competitive grant of nearly $2 million from the Office of Sustainable Housing & Communities of the U.S. Department of Housing & Urban Development."
"What if different communities disagree?
We can all agree that we need food for our families, good jobs, excellent education choices, and a healthy environment to live in. Let's work together to determine a regional direction for the future, with the understanding that what works for one county or community may not work for another. The unique position of each community and county will influence the identification of common goals and action items to share with the region. Communities should select action items that are most pressing to them in order to reach their goals. The core planning team acknowledges and respects the positions of individual communities in this very diverse region."
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What business do NGO's have with our food supplies or EPA business?
If they know so much shouldn't they make an honest living working for the appropriate agencies?
They don't mention individual people, I wonder why?
What about individual property owners?
Isn't this just a form of NGO manipulating local governments to implement and enforce more and new rules, regulations, Ordinances and laws?
Isn't this about getting easements over farm land?
Doesn't this sound like "Sustainability Development" of the United Nations and Article 21?
Just give it a thought?
Do you want outsider NGO's telling a local NGO which has two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners what Elk County and it's residents need to do to survive?
Flint Hills Frontiers may not even have their principle office in Kansas, they may have a regional office somewhere, but I could not find a listing for it.
I strongly suggest that as many people who can, attend this meeting. Listen to the fancy talk about sustainability and then discuss the information amongst yourselves at home, with friends and relatives.
They may ask you to sign a pledge or something, or ask you to enter into a verbal contract! Would you make a verbal pledge or sign any contract without first thinking about it for several days? These are nothing more then high pressure salesmen using soft technics and soft words to get your approval, IMHO!
So it's not a good idea to rush into anything and a time to be cautious, IMHO!
Perhaps someone might offer you $25 for an easment on your property, not necessarily these people, but someone. Would you take it?
I have an water pipeline easement on my property which I had nothing to do with, but it is still there and will never go away. The owner of that easement has the right to come on to my property anytime the deem necessary and I have no say. I'm nopt saying that is necessarily a bad thing, but I am saying they don't have access to all of my property under these circumstances, which is a good thing. IMHO! Would I sell an easment to all of my 60 acres, most definitly not.
Just food for thought!
Who knows what is coming down the pike from all the NGO's networking and forming consotiums, I definitely don't know!
Does anyone have any thoughts or information?
Check out all the activity on the Flint Hills Frontiers Forum at http://forum.flinthillsfrontiers.org/
Simply amazing isn't it, all that non-activity from their consortium members, isn't it.
Lots of food for thought, huh !
Where is our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners trying to take us, or do to Elk County?
Quote from: Ross on October 22, 2012, 06:31:05 PM
"Who is paying for this?
The Consortium won a competitive grant of nearly $2 million from the Office of Sustainable Housing & Communities of the U.S. Department of Housing & Urban Development."
Not to worry... unemployment way too high, 16+ trillion in debt, food & fuel & commodity prices rising, & insurance/medical costs climbing, real wages shrinking with government wages outpacing private sector wages now by 34%... what's another billion or two of taxpayer money handed over to fund private 'planning' groups? Heck, it's only money... and we're printing that like there's no tomorrow. Oh, by the way it's your money. Gotta wonder what federal, big government, central planner, UN Agenda 21 strings come with it all. What could go wrong?
Then there's this:
U.S. Government's Foreign Debt Now $47,495 Per Household
CNS NewsStory here: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-governments-foreign-debt-now-47495-household (http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-governments-foreign-debt-now-47495-household)
Yeah, let's focus on the Flint Hills. I still wonder who's issuing the marching orders to the local community organizers..........
It all scares the hell out of this Vietnam Veteran, more so then walking through Da Nang unarmed during the war.
I believe we need to get control of our County Government by voting out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners!
If we don't what is it going to cost us.
Displaced loyalties ? I think so, what do you think? Allowing
Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging(stealing) our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to
Elk Konnected, LLC, by the approval of the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? I'd like to see some proof that
Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion!
So let's get out there and vote for some
POSITIVE Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
The discussion to be convened by Flint Hills Regional Council and
Elk Konnected, LLC but really is it?
Which is it
Flint Hills Frontier or
Flint Hills Regional Council that will be here?
How many
Non-Governmental Organizations does it take to screw in a light bulb?
They claim to have many organizations throughout the Flint Hills. These organizations, which they are calling the Consortium, have also pledged their own commitment toward the effort, through in-kind services, facilities, and dollars. That's what they said. How interesting, who's money?
How much are the volunteers being paid to run this meeting?
We have heard of paid volunteers, jus google it.
You can't seriously believe they are working for free?
Even the President and Executive Officer of Kommen for the Cure a non-profit organization receives over $500,000 a year. I wonder what kind of money these people putting on this conversation get?
I don't believe it is any where in this category. The average salary at Kommne from doing a search comes to $30,000.
Again, don't think the average salary for these people will be that high, but who knows?
You don't think there are salaries & per diem, why?
Would you leave home and travel and spend time away from your family for free?
Would you pay for your own gasoline and meals, while working for someone else?
I wonder what the pay for the President of Public Squares Communities, INC might amount to?
Do you think that's a volunteer job?
Back to these people that Elk Konnected, LLC is bringing to town with their large Consortium of other NGO's wanting us to fall in with them. Actually I think they want to
engage us like
Elk konnected, LLC wanted of us.
Which translates to me, to mean follow our lead, do what we want and you are okay.
Why do you suppose that the people not included in the in-crowd of
Elk Konnected, LLC are called
Followers ?
And now, I think our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are following this other organization and their consortium of lots of
Non Governmental Organizations!So does this mean
Elk Konnected, LLC an
NGO is joining the
Consortium, which would in my opinion make them
Followers instead of Leaders, what do you think?
If you join the Boy Scouts, you follow the Boy Scout Rules or you are out, right?
So, You follow!
So, doesn't that really make the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners FOLLOWERS instead of leaders?
You don;t see Elk Konnected, LLC or any of their Followers answering questions or disputing anything said recently on this thread do you?
And IMHO we know they are all reading this thread !
Doesn't our County Government need
responsible LEADERS ?
WOW !Here are a couple of citizens without displaced loyalties, what do you think of this idea?
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
Ross, you all are up against the socialists whether they're Elk Countians or not.
You can call 'em Bolshevik's and I'll understand.
Years ago, who'd ever thought such a thing would be happening in Elk County,
let alone a 'public' meeting set for Oct. 30th in Grenola to be lead and promoted by the Bolshevik's?
It's no wonder that the Bolshevik's don't like you, your thread or the Americans who stand true to
the founding principles.
Quote from: redcliffsw on October 24, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
Ross, you all are up against the socialists whether they're Elk Countians or not.
You can call 'em Bolshevik's and I'll understand.
Years ago, who'd ever thought such a thing would be happening in Elk County,
let alone a 'public' meeting set for Oct. 30th in Grenola to be lead and promoted by the Bolshevik's?
It's no wonder that the Bolshevik's don't like you, your thread or the Americans who stand true to
the founding principles.
You old pot stirrer you.
But you do remember the Communists said, they would
defeat the US of A from within? Agenda 21 !
Here is a good read, http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Well all these
NGO's trying to control the population all across our great country sure sounds just like what them Communists were talking about.
You know people that don't want to work with in the boundaries of our government, but want to work against it!
The county government is already involved with RC&D and SCKEED and if they can't provide any thing good for Elk County how can all those
NGO's that run around begging for money provide anything more then lip service?
I find it extremely bad when that includes elected officials such as our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their
NGO.
I sure hope Nov. 6th brings great changes to that mess in our local government.
I believe Elk County residents would want to keep Elk County free of such invasions, such as the representatives of all those other NGO's, like
Elk Konnected, LLC and
Public Squares Communities, INC ?If not wait for the invasion of many, many more
NGO's. I wonder how man there are over in Montgomery County, to may for me to research I'm sure.
Remember we have a couple of men that don't have misplaced loyalties that would focus on the job of County Commissioner? Also I don't believe they wear so many hats that they can't keep them straight. Those words I learned from Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks at one of her speeches. And now she has yet another hat, President of an NGO, Public Squares Communities, INC of somewhere here in Kansas, but not of Elk County,
Any how, try to remember these two men on November 6th for the good of Elk County,
Write-in
M I c k e y W u n d e r l I c h [move]
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Human beings are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
Do they operate only to propagandize the many to the benefit of the few?
Displaced loyalties ? I think so, what do you think?
Allowing Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging (stealing) our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to Elk Konnected, LLC, by the approval of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? I'd like to see some proof that Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion!
So let's get out there and vote for some positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
[move]
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
I plagiarized this from Micky Wunderlich's web page at http://www.votemicky.org/why.htm
Please visit his web site, you might learn something, it is very informative.
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Regarding our 'Wind Farm Windfall", the incumbent in our district gave an interview to an area newspaper...
"If the three of us on the county commission can't operate this county on an extra $990,000 per year maybe the people ought to elect some new commissioners," Liebau said with a laugh.
(Story by Allen Smith, Independence Reporter, Sunday Edition, Living Section November 6, 2011)
I agree 100%. But it isn't a laughing matter.
It's time for a change, and I'm asking for your write in in vote.
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An excellent reason for change, IMHO!
I read that article and thought the reporter wan't impressed and made a point of that laugh!
Quote from: Ross on October 24, 2012, 07:46:51 PM
The county government is already involved with RC&D and SCKEED and if they can't provide any thing good for Elk County how can all those NGO's that run around begging for money provide anything more then lip service?
USDA RC&D and/or SCKEDD have assisted Elk County, and cities and other entities in the county with many major projects through the years, including: Elk Co. RWD #2; the paving of the road to and the IRB aspect of the expansion of lodging at Flint Oak; the inclusion of Grenola, Moline and eventually Longton in PWWSD 20; sewer improvements in Moline; the rebuilding of Zimmerman/Countryside funeral home; etc.
"Can't provide any thing good"? I guess Elk County residents would be better off without the ammenites mentioned above.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
USDA RC&D and/or SCKEDD have assisted Elk County, and cities and other entities in the county with many major projects through the years, including: Elk Co. RWD #2; the paving of the road to and the IRB aspect of the expansion of lodging at Flint Oak; the inclusion of Grenola, Moline and eventually Longton in PWWSD 20; sewer improvements in Moline; the rebuilding of Zimmerman/Countryside funeral home; etc. Quote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
How are those NGO responsible for what our county government has done?
What did they do?
Or is this just more lip service?
Some real facts, please!
Quote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
the rebuilding of Zimmerman/Countryside funeral homeQuote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
What , didn't they have insurance like. I did when my barn burned?
I'm rebuilding and it is because of insurance, not some NGO.
So I guess in some circumstances the saying, "You didn't build that" holds true!
Quote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
"Can't provide any thing good"? I guess Elk County residents would be better off without the ammenites mentioned above.
No one has mentioned anything about these ammenties! So what are you suggesting?
Are you suggesting that our County Government is not capable of functioning without NGO's.
How much has it cost the county financially to associate with those NGO's? They don't work for free! There is membership dues or something, right?
Some facts please!
Doesn't what you are saying, insinuate that our county government with Konnected Kounty Kommissioners can not do the job?
Doesn't what you are saying, insinuate thatThat they can not operate with out NGO's?
With all those NGO's getting involved are we attempting to outsource our County Government to NGO's other county.
If so you should be all for new County Commissioners in my opinion.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 24, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
USDA RC&D and/or SCKEDD have assisted Elk County, and cities and other entities in the county with many major projects through the years, including: Elk Co. RWD #2; the paving of the road to and the IRB aspect of the expansion of lodging at Flint Oak; the inclusion of Grenola, Moline and eventually Longton in PWWSD 20; sewer improvements in Moline; the rebuilding of Zimmerman/Countryside funeral home; etc.
"Can't provide any thing good"? I guess Elk County residents would be better off without the ammenites mentioned above.
Flint, government provisions are no way to live no matter how good they are.
Why would you even consider such a way?
Are you going the to meeting at Grenola to provide your support to your fellow
Bolsheviks?
Ross,
I'm not insinuating anything. I know how much you like to put your words in other peoples mouths, but stop putting them in mine!
I am very capable of stating the facts on what assistance has been provided by SCKEDD, USDA RC&D and USDA RD. And in the past I have used this Forum to present to you, and anyone else interested, facts on many different subjects. But you don't accept my facts. You usually just dismiss them outright when they don't fit your preconceived opinion about a subject.
Why don't you go to the courthouse and ask simple direct questions without any antagonistic, prejudicial, and/or inflammatory verbiage attached to them. You might actually come away with some answers.
Red,
Are you a Son of the John Birch Society? Are you paying a penance for not submitting your annual dues in a timely manner?
Apparently 99.99% of the United States population are Bolshevicks, since anyone to the left of you gets described that way by you and the 2999 other Americans that share your beliefs.
I will not be able to attend the meeting in Grenola, but my two cents will be added to the discussion in other ways.
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To everyone,
The meeting in Grenola is open to all, and there are ample other ways to make sure your voice is heard. I urge everyone, including you Red, to take advantage of this open and honest dialoge. The only people who will not be heard from and have their opinions considered are those that allow their closed and/or narrow minded preconcieved notions to prevent them from participating in this process.
Like I mentioned, you can take advantage of the meeting in Grenola, or you can submit your ideas, questions, points of view, etc. via the internet, mail or even phone.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 25, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
Ross,
I'm not insinuating anything. I know how much you like to put your words in other peoples mouths, but stop putting them in mine!
I am very capable of stating the facts on what assistance has been provided by SCKEDD, USDA RC&D and USDA RD. And in the past I have used this Forum to present to you, and anyone else interested, facts on many different subjects. But you don't accept my facts. You usually just dismiss them outright when they don't fit your preconceived opinion about a subject.
It sure read like you were insinuating something, thanks for setting me straight.
I did not read a single fact about how those organizations helped in any way!
How did they help?
What did they do?
Did they acquire grants for Elk County?
It they did why do we need employees to do the same thing?
Facts please?
Or is Elk Konnected, LLC followers unable to provide true facts?
Quote from: flintauqua on October 25, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
Why don't you go to the courthouse and ask simple direct questions without any antagonistic, prejudicial, and/or inflammatory verbiage attached to them. You might actually come away with some answers.
Because I have the attention of the
Elk Konnected, LLC,
controlling County Commissioner votes right here via the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners .
Why go else where? They can give thought to what they have to say and put it in writing. right here for everyone on this forum. Or is it they are afraid to put it in writing?
I do believe that any question would be considered to be or have antagonistic, prejudicial, and/or inflammatory verbiage attached to them concerning
Elk Konnected, LLCand the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their NCO Konnections
! So that would be virtually impossible to do, thank you.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 25, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
Red,
Are you a Son of the John Birch Society? Are you paying a penance for not submitting your annual dues in a timely manner?
Apparently 99.99% of the United States population are Bolshevicks, since anyone to the left of you gets described that way by you and the 2999 other Americans that share your beliefs.
I will not be able to attend the meeting in Grenola, but my two cents will be added to the discussion in other ways.
Is that a shot at being ugly. Now this is Ross talking not Red, Okay!
First let me state I am not a member of any group or NGO, no do I support any such groups and have no intention of becoming a member of any such groups. I am distinctly an individual!
And my opinions are my own. Period.
The remark you make John Birch Society doesn't really sound all that bad, IMHO! Look what wikipedia says about it.
The John Birch Society is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a constitutional republic and personal freedom.
How is being anti-communist bad?
How is wanting personal freedom bad?
How is being for limited government bad?
I'd like to add how is being
anti-NGO involvement in County Government Bad?
I'd sure like to know your opinion on the one I added!
Let me repeat that, "How is being
ant- NGO involvement in County Government Bad?
Let me even refrase that, Are you for
NGO involvement in County Government and being on the County Commissioners Board?
Please let's have an honest answer to this particular question? What is the real purpose of an NGO?
Power and control through a group of people isn't it?
Quote from: flintauqua on October 25, 2012, 07:49:45 AM
To everyone,
The meeting in Grenola is open to all, and there are ample other ways to make sure your voice is heard. I urge everyone, including you Red, to take advantage of this open and honest dialoge. The only people who will not be heard from and have their opinions considered are those that allow their closed and/or narrow minded preconcieved notions to prevent them from participating in this process.
Like I mentioned, you can take advantage of the meeting in Grenola, or you can submit your ideas, questions, points of view, etc. via the internet, mail or even phone.
You have already prejudiced the meeting by these statements, IMHO!
It's like saying, if you don't agree with
Elk Konnected, LLC and all the other
NGO's you are wrong to voice your opinion, and you are narrow minded and your opinion will not be tolerated.
Good move!And now you are saying ust the internet to submit ideas, really! Will
Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be paying attention to the internet?
Will
Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners respond to the internet inputs and questions?
So far, as of today, they have failed terribly on the internet, haven't they?
Will anyone with a different slant on things be escorted out by the sheriff's department?
Who will be paying for the Sheriff's Department to attend the meeting as their special body guards?
Or will the Sheriff's Department be going about business as usual and be on call for them like they are for all the rest of the citizens of Elk County?
You sure bring to light a whole host of other questions?
Thanks for your input.
Quote from: Ross on October 25, 2012, 10:54:44 AM
It sure read like you were insinuating something, thanks for setting me straight.
I did not read a single fact about how those organizations helped in any way!
How did they help?
What did they do?
Did they acquire grants for Elk County?
It they did why do we need employees to do the same thing?
Facts please?
Or is Elk Konnected, LLC followers unable to provide true facts?
Because I have the attention of the Elk Konnected, LLC, controlling County Commissioner votes right here via the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners .
Why go else where? They can give thought to what they have to say and put it in writing. right here for everyone on this forum. Or is it they are afraid to put it in writing?
I do believe that any question would be considered to be or have antagonistic, prejudicial, and/or inflammatory verbiage attached to them concerning Elk Konnected, LLCand the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their NCO Konnections! So that would be virtually impossible to do, thank you.
Is that a shot at being ugly. Now this is Ross talking not Red, Okay!
First let me state I am not a member of any group or NGO, no do I support any such groups and have no intention of becoming a member of any such groups. I am distinctly an individual!
And my opinions are my own. Period.
The remark you make John Birch Society doesn't really sound all that bad, IMHO! Look what wikipedia says about it.
The John Birch Society is an American political advocacy group that supports anti-communism, limited government, a constitutional republic and personal freedom.
How is being anti-communist bad?
How is wanting personal freedom bad?
How is being for limited government bad?
I'd like to add how is being anti-NGO involvement in County Government Bad?
I'd sure like to know your opinion on the one I added!
Let me repeat that, "How is being ant- NGO involvement in County Government Bad?
Let me even refrase that, Are you for NGO involvement in County Government and being on the County Commissioners Board? Please let's have an honest answer to this particular question?
What is the real purpose of an NGO?
Power and control through a group of people isn't it?
You have already prejudiced the meeting by these statements, IMHO!
It's like saying, if you don't agree with Elk Konnected, LLC and all the other NGO's you are wrong to voice your opinion, and you are narrow minded and your opinion will not be tolerated. Good move!
And now you are saying ust the internet to submit ideas, really! WillElk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be paying attention to the internet?
Will Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners respond to the internet inputs and questions?
So far, as of today, they have failed terribly on the internet, haven't they?
Will anyone with a different slant on things be escorted out by the sheriff's department?
Who will be paying for the Sheriff's Department to attend the meeting as their special body guards?
Or will the Sheriff's Department be going about business as usual and be on call for them like they are for all the rest of the citizens of Elk County?
You sure bring to light a whole host of other questions?
Thanks for your input.
Ross, the entire post above epitomizes why no one engages you on this Forum. Good luck getting your answers here, because even if someone were to answer any of your questions, you would ignore anything that doesn't fit what
YOUR closed mind has already decided is the answer before you ever ask the question.
Thanks for reminding me and everyone else why no one engages you here anymore. Have fun!
Now, now, Flint
Don't go selling Ross so short on all this. You know very well that he has a handful of his own faithful FOLLOWERS that will chime in and defend whatever he has to say. And if they slip up and forget to, he'll simply repeat himself and carry on the discussion with himself. That's right, Ross. There are no answers or even good discussion points in this post. If you want to take it as an attack on you, feel free to do so. I certainly won't be offended if you do. Just don't go trying to connect my opinions about you and your methodologies with anyone or any group. They are my own independent thoughts, and you're on record as endorsing independent thinking--good or bad.
Well crap, guess I will be that "faithful follower" ddurbin is talking about---------Charlie, why don't you give it a shot at answering some of Ross's questions ? You always say he is too close minded but you fail to answer any of his questions so we can all make up our own minds if that is right. You always seem to have the facts, so why not use those facts to put the ol swabbie on the right path ?
Quote from: jarhead on October 25, 2012, 01:29:32 PM
Well crap, guess I will be that "faithful follower" ddurbin is talking about---------Charlie, why don't you give it a shot at answering some of Ross's questions ? You always say he is too close minded but you fail to answer any of his questions so we can all make up our own minds if that is right. You always seem to have the facts, so why not use those facts to put the ol swabbie on the right path ?
Darned high expectations, jarhead. You've got to be kidding: "make up our own minds"? That fails the liberal belief about themselves that "we know what's best" & "just accept it as truth". Who the heck are you to presume you can hear open honest information from both sides and "make up your own mind"? That's just unrealistic.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 25, 2012, 12:00:58 PM
Ross, the entire post above epitomizes why no one engages you on this Forum. Good luck getting your answers here, because even if someone were to answer any of your questions, you would ignore anything that doesn't fit what YOUR closed mind has already decided is the answer before you ever ask the question.
Thanks for reminding me and everyone else why no one engages you here anymore. Have fun!
You sir are totally entitled to you narrow minded opinion ( I just had to say narrow minded because you Follower seem to like the term), but I am entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is you are totally wrong?
You see I don't care if anyone engages me, not at all!
When I started this thread, I had no idea, what I was getting involved in!
However, I believe, I got the message across about how phony the list is on page one of this thread, that was provided by
Elk Konnected, LLC to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, Then this thing escalated to
NGO's trying
manipulate the citizens of Elk County.
This whole thread is simply an exercise in getting the people of Elk County to discuss what is going on in Elk County, nothing more.
The major thing, I have noticed through out this thread is that ]Elk Konnected, LLC[/b] and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and
Followers can not show anything of substance coming out of their
NGO. With one exception and that is bringing more
NGO's (real outsiders) into play to
manipulate Elk County citizens, IMHO!
Leadership, I think not, followers of larger
NGO's is more like it. IMHO!
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I say; I hope they would be more interested in thinking for themselves! Or is that too narrow minded for you?
I have helped ]Elk Konnected, LLC[/b] with their begging to supply their Daycare Center they want to open. I helped them acquire several appliances for that daycare, do I get a thank you, NO! The only problem, I have with them is the control they have over our count government and all the other
NGO's (
real outsiders) they are bringing into Elk County to continue their
manipulation of the our citizens, and with their secrecy.
You are right, I don't and have not expected any honest and open dialog from them on this thread.
In fact, I am surprised you even responded because, I feel quite certain the word has been put out to stay off of this particular thread. Thanks for responding it wasn't necessary, but your response is appreciated.
Quote from: ddurbin on October 25, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
Now, now, Flint
Don't go selling Ross so short on all this.
He ain't selling me short, where do you get that idea.
I'm just an uneducated redneck hick with no college papers.
And I am proud of it, thank you!
Quote from: ddurbin on October 25, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
You know very well that he has a handful of his own faithful FOLLOWERS that will chime in and defend whatever he has to say. And if they slip up and forget to, he'll simply repeat himself and carry on the discussion with himself.
I got no followers, there are educated people that do post on here as well.
I got no organization for anyone to follow, I got no NGO, so try again.
No save it.
I enjoy talking to myself, I'm crazy but i'm not insane, I'm high but not on drugs, I'm high on life.
I can even laugh at myself, can you?
Quote from: ddurbin on October 25, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
That's right, Ross. There are no answers or even good discussion points in this post. If you want to take it as an attack on you, feel free to do so. I certainly won't be offended if you do.
Oh, you to are entitled to your personal opinion just like the rest of us, so have fun with that narrow minded thinking (You'uns like that thar narrow minded term, so there I used it again for your benefit).
I'll leave it up to all the other people reading this thread to think for themselves. I have even ask that they don't believe anything I post, how's that?
And I am not offended by your posted opinions.
Quote from: ddurbin on October 25, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
Just don't go trying to connect my opinions about you and your methodologies with anyone or any group. They are my own independent thoughts, and you're on record as endorsing independent thinking--good or bad.
So now Followers don't want to be Konnected, interesting, okay I can sorta go along with that!
Do I got methodo-what-cha-callit's?
I don't even have a college dip-ploma!
So why ya so concerned about what this redneck hick has to say or ask?
Just ignore all of it will ya?
Thank you as well for your insight and your input to this worthless thread.
One question for you, if you will kindly indulge me, and all th other readers, please!
Do you really feel it is necessary for an
NGO to be involved in controlling our county government and that, that
NGO needs to bring lots of other (
outsider)
NGO's into Elk County?
Oops, is that two questions in one? Please indulge me and everyone else that is reading this thread,
please. Inquiring minds want to know.
Isn't it time for new county commissioners?
Again Ross, the list on page one came from over a hundred citizens ideas at the meeting.
Quote from: proelkco on October 25, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Again Ross, the list on page one came from over a hundred citizens ideas at the meeting.
We know it came from Elk Konnected, LLC why deny it?
Now Elk Konnected, LLC doesn't want credit for it, that's reall strange IMHO!
That is weirder then Followers not wanting to be Konnected.
Name 50 people who mad any suggestions, name 25 people who made suggestions and which suggestion.
Can't do it can you?
But as the title of this thread says, " Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25"
And that has never been disputed!
Quote from: proelkco on October 25, 2012, 03:33:35 PM
Again Ross, the list on page one came from over a hundred citizens ideas at the meeting.
And, if you know anything about the techniques/methods used to generate that list, you know there is absolutely NO proof that those ideas were actually generated by the citizens in attendance. The post it notes containing ideas were reviewed and summaries were published behind the scene by Elk Konnected. No PUBLIC display of the source documents has ever been made.
Do you, perhaps, have a personal interest in any of this? Just askin.
Here is some of Jay Lenos humor from last night and I think it applies to all the states involved in this thread.
The states are: confusion, dismay, depression, apathy, shock, disbelief, despair, and anxiety. Those are the eight states.
So let's agree to let people make their own decisions and think their own minds.
Do we need new County Commissioners that are not Konnected Kounty Kommissioners involved with an NGO, that is bringing in more NGO's from out side the county, let each and every individual make up their own mind.
Would Elk County be better off with non-Konnected County Commissioners like Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich, let each and every individual make up their own mind.
Okay, right on. cool! Elk County Rocks don't you think?
Patriot, anyone that was at that meeting knows what ideas were stated so they would know if it was not turned in right. And yes as an Elk County citizen I am concerned.
Quote from: proelkco on October 25, 2012, 04:21:52 PM
Patriot, anyone that was at that meeting knows what ideas were stated so they would know if it was not turned in right.
You really don't understand the process & group psychology behind the Delphi Technique when used to obtain consensus, do you?
Quote from: proelkco on October 25, 2012, 04:21:52 PM
And yes as an Elk County citizen I am concerned.
I have no doubt that you have concerns.
So, after the elections....do you think anyone will be brave enough to replace the E & L on the Courthouse so it doesn't read:
K County Courthouse? My first thought was Konnected County. Hmmmmm
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on October 25, 2012, 05:14:15 PM
So, after the elections....do you think anyone will be brave enough to replace the E & L on the Courthouse so it doesn't read:
K County Courthouse? My first thought was Konnected County. Hmmmmm
ready
Or remove the EK sticker on the handicapped parking sign at the northeast corner of the courthouse. Vandals with Konnections perhaps? LOL
That Konnected group is so disKonnected, they don't even want people to know they are Konnected.
One even said don't Konnect him with any group.
I find that really weird.
What, really, what is Konnected but a fabrication by some un-named visionaries that apparently lack a vision, IMHO ! ?
And I'll repeat, I may be crazy, but I'm not insane or Konnected or see visions !
So, what does all that say about our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
ROFLMAO
I think it says they need to be replaced?
Less then two weeks until Election time!
Our votes in the national contest may not amount to much
BUT Here at home our votes are very important to the
Future of Elk County and what you want it to become, IMHO!
Does Elk County want to continue down the path with so called leaders that are actually FOLLOWERS, Folllowers that want to follow NGO's, and copy and be like every other counties in Kansas, that are desperate during these harrowing financial times?
Do we want to follow Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities,INC that have no idea in my opinion what they are doing, except to manipulate the people of Elk County and take as much money as they can get from the county??
It appears to me the only good to come out of them is for them tocollect money from our governing bofies and businesses to put in their own bank accounts. Think about that, they are business and they are in business to make money, right?
Look what you have got for your money so far, look at page one of this thread, that's it folks, nothing is what you have got for your money. But I am sure the people that are running these companies are making pretty good money.
Isn't it time to bring Elk County back to earth? Isn't it time for change in County Government?
You can vote for change
and remove the confusion of an
NGO called
Elk Konnected, LLC Running our County Government !
"Or not"Is it your County Government or is it the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's
Elk Konnected, LLC's County?
It's up to you to get out and vote !Some suggestions have Humorously been made to call this
Konnected Kounty, is it really humor?
I personally don't find it one bit funny!
I find it rather scary because there are people in this world that would like to change a lot of things to suit their own needs, and because that is the way somethings happen, IMHO!
Here is a suggestion for honesty in our County Government:
Write-in
M i c k e y W u n d e r l i c h [move]
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Folks, I really haven't been able to explain, what I think is really happening to and in Elk County.
And I keep learning more and more of this NGO and even if they say otherwise this political movement.
I just know in my heart it stinks, and that it can not be good for the majority of folks in Elk County.
But I'm sure a few folks, are most likely making money at it.
No, I don't have a fancy college education, but that doesn't mean I can't smell a fish, that is rotting does it?
Patriotism does not stink, does it?
There has been in my opinion a seven year attempt at grooming a lot of people in Elk County, to follow NGO's and do as they tell us to do.
Why do you think there has been such opposition to this thread which included a threat of a law suit as well?
Now comes, what you have being groomed for, "Save The Flint Hills", Really?
Really?
With a consortium of NGO's! Folks that is just a bunch of NGO's grouping together to strengthen their movement, that's all.
Remember strength comes in large numbers? A consortium is an association of two or more individuals, companies, organizations or governments (or any combination of these entities) with the objective of participating in a common activity or pooling their resources for achieving a common goal.
What is that common goal between them that they want to drag you into? The truth? Where are the Flints going to go, who is abusing them. Are you abusing them? No where and no one.
Is this what you want in Elk County, control by NGO's?
Would you like to learn more about what is really going on?
Do you have the strength and fortitude to handle the truth, how politicians and NGO's really work?
It is frightening, they should in my opinion actually teach this stuff in Senior High School.
But who wants to teach the truth?
http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom223.htm
If you read this article and understand that "Save The Flint Hills" is no different then "NATIONAL HERITAGE AREAS" and the way they operate, I suppose you would want to vote Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office. Perhapps for no other reason then for the fact that they don't understand how they are being used by the NGO's.
Please, Think about all this when you vote.
Vote Elk Konnected, LLC out.
At least one of them.
Is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion in todays situation!
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-Er-Done!"
Of course you know the Elk Konnected, LLC and Founder and Followers of the NGO doesn't want change for the better in County Government and Politics, right? Give that some thought. control would revert back to all of the people wouldn't it?Oh well, we want better, don't we?
I'd be interested in knowing why a certain person is actually flaunting his lack of formal education, but thinks he knows all about Delphi and manipulation techniques...where did he learn it? Some underground subversive group? Why would any of you expect your own commissioners to know anything about such things? What are some assuming the EK and commission folks will just naturally be dishonest about polls and meetings? Is it because those two characters would be if they were in control? Why is dishonesty automatically assumed, especially with no proof and just ugly gossip and inuendo to support what is accused ?
The "Other One" seems to know even more about organized manipulation. How and why? The average person doesn't run into that kind of thing. They don't need to study it or need to excel in it. They trust their friends and neighbors and don't need to look for enemies under every leaf! Where would they ever be exposed to subversive manipulation methods?
To hear some of gripers talk, they are just local hicks who can't even get through a meeting without assassinating Robert's Rules, but somehow they are experts on the Delphi Technique? Now that is just weird and really makes me wonder about the loyalty of some of the chronic complainers. What are they REALLY up to? If they start wearing matching uniforms, watch out.
I have been waiting patiently for this post and I have been expecting it for days.
Thank you for finally showing up.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
I'd be interested in knowing why a certain person is actually flaunting his lack of formal education, but thinks he knows all about Delphi and manipulation techniques...where did he learn it? Some underground subversive group? Why would any of you expect your own commissioners to know anything about such things? What are some assuming the EK and commission folks will just naturally be dishonest about polls and meetings? Is it because those two characters would be if they were in control? Why is dishonesty automatically assumed, especially with no proof and just ugly gossip and inuendo to support what is accused ?
Flaunting my lack of education, yea, I've done that, and it's true!
College educated people seem to think they are smarter then everyone else.
But guess what, generally they are only educated in one area?
And if you haven't noticed all them educated people and their organization and their followers, can
not answer simple questions, asked by an uneducated redneck? And that is a real negative attitude, IMHO!
The dishonesty is through out this whole thread.
Just as this does not appear to be the ranting raving person that usually post on this thread as Diane, IMHO!
Why the secret meetings and the secret recruiting?
Why are you so concerned about people of Elk County learning the techniques used against them? Is it because with knowledge you loose control?
Why does
Elk Konnected, LLC want control of our county government?
Why would Elk Konnected, LLC suggest control of all Communities city governments in their hand out to the County Commissioners?
Weren't the Jewish people and the German civilians ignorant of the same thing? Just asking!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
The "Other One" seems to know even more about organized manipulation. How and why? The average person doesn't run into that kind of thing. They don't need to study it or need to excel in it. They trust their friends and neighbors and don't need to look for enemies under every leaf! Where would they ever be exposed to subversive manipulation methods?
Who said they should excel in being duped?
Right here in Elk County and that is why you want them ignorant of this information isn't it?
You do want the citizens of Elk County ignorant don't you? If you are truly Diane, which I doubt!
However. who ever wrote this does want the citizens of Elk County ignorant. Right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
To hear some of gripers talk, they are just local hicks who can't even get through a meeting without assassinating Robert's Rules, but somehow they are experts on the Delphi Technique?
We are or at least I am not gripping, I am only asking questions and you don't like that way up there in Delaware, do you?
Delaware my ass! Pardon my french!
How clever of you Diane or should I say
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner ?Because this is more her style of writing, me thinks?
Seeing how Diane, would never have been at any meeting here in Elk County to witness such an event?
Perhaps the problem is the lack of following all the Kansas rules, laws and regulations that apply to County Commissioners meetings that might lead to such a situation, do you suppose?
And I suppose you would just as soon, have all citizens of Elk County shut up, right?
And just accept what ever is dished out to them, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PM
Now that is just weird and really makes me wonder about the loyalty of some of the chronic complainers. What are they REALLY up to? If they start wearing matching uniforms, watch out.
Who are you Diane to question anyone who lives in
Elk County, Kansas from where you live in
Delaware? You Diane, would have no knowledge of loyalty, except perhaps to organizations, IMHO!
Oh, I forgot, you are really
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner[/b ]Hendricks, right?
What sneakiness?
What more reason do people need to vote Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of office?
Let's leave it up to the citizens vote, Okay!
Quote from: Ross on October 27, 2012, 05:36:00 PM
Because this is more her style of writing, me thinks?
I don't know, Ross. It could just be the wild, barely coherent rantings of a fawning sociopolitical sycophant who is trying to ingratiate themselves to a perceived socialite powerhouse.
Wow! Thats a mouth full if I ever saw one.
And I had to use the internet to look it up so I could understand it.
That's what this uneducated redneck does and I learned something, I think.
But hey that's what life is about, learning stuff, ain't it?
ROFLMAO
I busy watching one of them John Wayne Patriotic war movies from years gone by.
Very Patriotic.
Quotes from Diane:
If they start wearing matching uniforms, watch out.
We are all still friends...amazing how that works just fine when the instigators and the gloom and doom element are eliminated.
Diane, why don't you practice what you preach ? You have to be the worst offender on this forum when it comes to being an instigator ---hands down.
You wanted all the" negative people" to leave your precious coffee shop---and they did---and now you come trotting to the political thread to stir the pot---unbelievable. For paybacks I'm coming back to the coffee shop and I'm gonna tell catwoman that cats taste like chicken too (sorry catwoman, sixdogs won't let me say that about dogs so I picked on you) ;)
Quote from: Ross on October 27, 2012, 07:30:22 PM
And I had to use the internet to look it up so I could understand it.
That's what this uneducated redneck does and I learned something, I think.
But hey that's what life is about, learning stuff, ain't it?
The difference, Ross, between you and many of your detractors, is that you
ARE willing to look and seek and understand. That's anything but narrow minded. And, in that, you hold true to solid American ideals. Keep on seeking!
Wow...Ross! You really don't like college educated people do you? At least that is the impression I get from your comment about college educated people thinking they are smarter than everyone else. That comment comes across as spiteful. How can you throw out such a generalization like that? I know many college educated people, and I personally feel that none of them feel that they are any smarter nor any better than anyone else. I myself have a college degree, yet my husband, my parents, and many of my friends do not have a degree and guess what I have never thought I knew more than them.
So before you go throwing around such broad accusations, think before you speak (or type).
Wow, what happened while i was gone? Ross what happened to your vote for Hebb scroll. Can you please scroll it for me, pretty please.
Vote Hebb
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Quote from: daisy on October 27, 2012, 10:23:11 PM
Wow...Ross! You really don't like college educated people do you? At least that is the impression I get from your comment about college educated people thinking they are smarter than everyone else. That comment comes across as spiteful. How can you throw out such a generalization like that? I know many college educated people, and I personally feel that none of them feel that they are any smarter nor any better than anyone else. I myself have a college degree, yet my husband, my parents, and many of my friends do not have a degree and guess what I have never thought I knew more than them.
So before you go throwing around such broad accusations, think before you speak (or type).
I'm sorry it came across that way Daisy, but lacking the college degree, I guess I lack the finesse and couth to express myself properly! I too have friends with college degrees that don't come across as know-it-alls. In fact I had a minimum of 5 friends where I lived in the Seattle area, that were highly educated and had Mensa IQ's and only one had common sense to go with the education and IQ. Amazing huh!
The one highly educated with numerous college degrees and Mensa IQ asked me to serve on her companies Board of Directors, and I did. Boy did I feel out of place. There was a serious problem facing her company and all them doctors and college professors and such on her board and she herself were flabbergasted by the very simple solution, I gave them to correct the problem. You see a couple of my old Navy buddies had to go to AA or lose their chance to retire and they badgered me into, going to a meeting with them and then they had me stop at a bar afterwards to have a drink, it was their way of testing themselves and they passed. But what I learned at that meeting was KISS, "Keep It Simple Stupid" an excellent piece of advice and I try to remember it! So perhaps my explanation before was just to simple. So I apologize for that.
I also had a friend in Texas that was a multi-millionaire. He worked for Arco Pipeline at the same location where I did. This multi-millionaire, even though you wouldn't know it by looking at him acted no different, he talked no different then an average working man. He didn't drive a fancy car, he didn't live in a big fancy house, and he was a good man. May he rest in peace. However, some of my fellow employees were so envious of him, because he had more money then they did, that they spoke ugly of him. I found their actions despicable.
No I don't resent anyone that has it better than I do. Nor do I pity people that have it worse than I do. Nor do I pity people that have disabilities because I was raised around such people and I respect them. And today, I have a few of my own well earned disabilities.
I have been fortunate in my lifetime to have always been able to have good paying jobs and made enough money so my wife could be a stay at home mother, and I could pay off all my debt's. I have also been fortunate enough to almost always have really good health insurance for my family. And I thank God for that almost daily, I slip occassionaly because I am human.
No I am not an angry or spiteful person! Even if I were to get crosswise with you, most likely tomorrow being a new day would provide a new opportunity to continue any relationship that we may have had!
However, politics and NGO's are an entirely different thing and require a different mind set. As neither one is the same thing as a person. I hope, I have sufficiently explained myself to you Daisy.
Daisy, I have heard good things about you from people I know, so I felt you deserved this explanation.
But I still consider myself an uneducated, college wise, redneck with some common sense.
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 28, 2012, 01:32:52 AM
Wow, what happened while i was gone? Ross what happened to your vote for Hebb scroll. Can you please scroll it for me, pretty please.
Vote Hebb
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Well for one I took you up on your invitation to meet!
Only I changed it to coffee at the restraunt in Longton and I never recieved a response.
What's with that, no response, that is?
I think it could be beneficial to both of us, at least we could have a cup of coffe together.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 27, 2012, 04:41:53 PMWhat are they REALLY up to?
I am simply asking people to think the subject matter over and think for themselves and in fact I continue to advise them not to believe anything, I say!
Can you say the same thing. I didn't think so, not without beiong badgered into it.
The
"Old Guard" Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks talked of doesn't or never did exist, I suppose? Even she didn't seem to like or trust such neighbors, did she? Why else did she claim to weed them out from her organization (Her
NGO)? Or did she? Maybe she invited them in to her organization? Maybe she needed them in order to get her organization off the ground, Is that a possibility? Either way we don't know do we?
Wasn't that
"Old Guard" sorta considered deceptive by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks ?
Or why not bring them back?
Or are they back as
Elk Konnected,LLC ?
What is the truth?
The truth is for each individual to decide for themselves, Isn't it?
Lots more questions are floating around out there aren't there?
Perhaps it's time for change?
Where are all those
Elk Konnected, LLC followers?
Yea, all three of them? Where are they?
Don't they have anything at all to say?
Won't they tell us all the good that
Elk Konnected, LLC has done for Elk County?
Won't they tell us all the good that the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have done for Elk County?
I spoke with one of the West Elk School Board Members this last week and he informed me that the West Elk School District lowered their tax mill levy, I praised the man for his efforts.
But guess what, I don't think the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are passing that savings on to the property tax payers, has anyone else heard about this reduction in the school tax?
In fact, I believe the man said the county was just hanging on to the money for it's self, does that sound like a good plan?
Is that a good plan while they are proposing this "Neighborhood Revitalization Program", which would provide welfare in the form of rebates to people that really don't need welfare.
Does that sound like a real plan, with holding the school mill tax that the school board lowered and give welfare to those that don't need it?
Or does that sound like a real reason for voting out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners? So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
"Give welfare to those who don't need it.'' Who decides that?
Do you really expect the new commissioners ,whoever they will soon be, to come on the forum and answer all your endless questions? Why should they?
Do you have a demanding petition signed by many? Why wouldn't the people of Elk County expect the business of the commission to continue to be handled at the commission meetings as always? Are you demanding insider information?
OK, Ross I'll take you up on your suggestion and not believe anything you say. So then, the commissioners are doing just fine and don't need to be replaced. Nobody is lining their pockets or taking advantage of the power of privilege. The EK activities are accepted and enjoyed by the people of Elk County who understand that not all activities may succeed. Competitive capitalism is alive and well in Elk County.
People can then judge for themselves whether you are just a harmless neurotic with too much time on his hands or a self proclaimed uneducated, frustrated resident who can't understand why so many don't see things his way, and is allowing himself to be manipulated by several others who have their own questionable agendas, and are taking advantage of him. One in particular should know better.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
"Give welfare to those who don't need it.'' Who decides that?
It sure does appear that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are attempting that, can't you see that? Who else is running the proposal or approving the proposal for Welfare designed as a "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" with tax kick backs or rebates? Is there someone else doing it? Is it the "Old Guard" or is it
Elk Konnected, LLC or is it both? You tell me who is running the proposal, okay?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
Do you really expect the new commissioners ,whoever they will soon be, to come on the forum and answer all your endless questions? Why should they?
No ma'am, I surely don't, you see if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are voted out of office there will be no more Konnected Kounty Kommissioners will there? And this thread is pertaining to Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their
NGO, right?
I think you could have figured that out on your own!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
Do you have a demanding petition signed by many? Why wouldn't the people of Elk County expect the business of the commission to continue to be handled at the commission meetings as always?
Am I required to have a demanding petition to ask questions on this forum or this thread?
Am I required to have a demanding petition to express my honest opinion?
How about you, ask the owners of this forum if that is a requirement and clear that up for us, okay?
And while you are at ,talk to the Supreme Court and find out if Freedom of Speech is still alive and well, in the good ole US of A, okay?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
Are you demanding insider information?
I haven't demanded anything, nope no demands on my part?
What insider information? Do you know something? Will you share?
Are not the taxpayers the people the Commissioners suppose to answer to and honestly?
So where does the insider information or secreacy in local government come in at?
Do we have a plutocracy in Elk County is that what is secret?
What do they have to hide?
No, Diane I only
ask simple questions?
Who are you trying to defend by trying to suppress my freedom of speech?
What is it that you are afraid will be exposed, by this attempt at free speech suppresion?
Please Enlighten us.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
OK, Ross I'll take you up on your suggestion and not believe anything you say.
That's perfect Diane, good girl, but why be so upset about it?
If you don't believe what is in this thread why all the hullabaloo?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
So then, the commissioners are doing just fine and don't need to be replaced. Nobody is lining their pockets or taking advantage of the power of privilege.
Who has ever said the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners were lining their pockets?
Do you know something the rest of us don't know?
Do you understand the implications of your suggestion?
WOW! I'm shocked by such remarks!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
The EK activities are accepted and enjoyed by the people of Elk County who understand that not all activities may succeed. Competitive capitalism is alive and well in Elk County.
Accepted by who? Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC has failed many times as outlined throughout this thread and they continue to take credit for activities put toether by the Elk County Youth Development Employee, so please tell us what you are talking about from Delaware?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
People can then judge for themselves whether you are just a harmless neurotic with too much time on his hands or a self proclaimed uneducated, frustrated resident who can't understand why so many don't see things his way, and is allowing himself to be manipulated by several others who have their own questionable agendas, and are taking advantage of him. One in particular should know better.
Oh, Diane that hurts, that accusation that you have nothing to back it up with. I am not the least bit frustrated or being used. I am a pretty durn happy individual. I think you must be pretty frustrated in order to stoop so low to make such accusations. And I can understand your frustration being, what 2000 miles away in Delaware when the issues are here in Elk County, Kansas. I hope you get to feeling better soon.
Diane I have said many times. I'm crazy – but I'm not insane as well as I'm high but not on drugs. I'm high on life, don't you see?
I am so sorry for you that you let this simple little thread disturb you so much way back there in Delaware!
Is it possible for you to deal with issues in your neighborhood in Delaware?
There are issues every where one looks across the nation, try yours at home.
It might not be a stressful on you. I am concerned about your stress level at such great distance for our issues.
Have a great day Diane, if that really is you.
And I believe that the Elk County Citizens are quite able to vote their on mind for change if that is what they want, don't you?
Quote from Diane:
to come on the forum and answer all your endless questions?
Endless questions huh ? If I counted right you have asked 37 questions in your last 5 posts on this thread, but one of them was a one liner with no questions, so correct me if I'm wrong teach, but I think you average over 9 questions per post, not counting the one liner. See what happens when a person is bored ? :police: :angel:
Bored! Ya gotta be kidding! Scared, but not bored. And the petition I suggested was not for Boss Ross...his poor reading comprehension strikes again...it was for the commissioners to come on here and be accountable. It was for a real petition carried by Ross with real signatures, not some forum thing. Lets see...many days with no posts and several with several...not a very big average I'd say. Several of my comments and questions were suggested by forum readers, by the way. As far as "lining their pockets",you people can look it up for your selves. it does or did exist maybe around#160 or near by? Now, time to take out the meatloaf and enjoy it while we still have electricity.
Meatloaf was a good musical group! >:(
Oops, wrong forum... I thought this was the coffee shop. Opps, did it again, thanks to Britnay Spears.
hell, I need to get a life! :-X
ready, and carry on my wayword sons...et al
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 05:46:15 PM
Bored! Ya gotta be kidding! Scared, but not bored. And the petition I suggested was not for Boss Ross...his poor reading comprehension strikes again...it was to for the commissioners to come on here and be accountable. It was for a real petition carried by Ross with real signatures, not some forum thing. Lets see...many days with no posts and several with several...not a very big average I'd say. Several of my comments and questions were suggested by forum readers, by the way. As far as "lining their pockets",you people can look it up for your selves. it does or did exist maybe around#160 or near by? Now, time to take out the meatloaf and enjoy it while we still have electricity.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 05:46:15 PM
Several of my comments and questions were suggested by forum readers, by the way.
What is one to believe out of you Diane, deception, unable to speak your own mind?
Really who is being used, now? Sounded like just one person to me, or did she include her visionaries? I doubt any respectable visionary would be invloved in this type of thing!
My comprehension is bad, I don't think so, you see this is Diane writing this post, but the last couple were questionable and now you admit it, thanks. I can imagine all the excuses now , with the help of my visionaries! LOL
I really didn't believe it was your style of writing Diane, so thank you
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks.Thanks for helping me make my point, that you and your
NGO and the few cronies you call followers, should be questioned as to your motives and actions. Your help is greatly appreciated! Much more than, I can express. Your reference to, no one lining their pockets was a dead give away.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 12:26:18 PM
So then, the commissioners are doing just fine and don't need to be replaced. Nobody is lining their pockets or taking advantage of the power of privilege.
Enjoy the meat loaf and good luck with tending the issues in your area.
I hope you have a back up generator, it might come in handy.
I sincerely hope you weather the storm well.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 05:46:15 PM
...was not for Boss Ross...his poor reading comprehension strikes again...
Not surprisingly, here's more name calling & personal attacks on a citizen exercising the right of free speech regarding government officials. Nope, no left wingers here. Only 'moderate independents'. Must be a Obama/Biden double standard thing. At this rate, Ross will be a racist homophobe before Friday.
But it's OK to attack MY free speech! HA!
We've never had a generator. Our fire stations have them, so if I can get there they are always an option.. So the state is closed and evacuations have started and everything we've ever been trained for is up and operational. We are at level II driving now ,meaning only essential personnel.
The rest of the readers hear are very entertained by you folks.I'm off to bed now.Tomorrow is going to be a very long hard day.
I thought yesterday was very productive, we recieved information from Diane that she is not writing her own posts, but letting others think for her! I found that very interesting, didn't you? Did you notice the name she gave me? "Ross the Boss" well I disagree with her on that one. Being Boss implies being in charge, I am not in charge of anything except my own life, so that just doesn't apply. sorry Diane! But that is more Diane's style of writing if you get my drift and no I am no expert.
Moving on.
I'm going to try to make it to the big meeting in Howard this evening.
The question and answer program for the candidates at the Cox building at 7 pm.
To bad they won't be fielding questions from the audience, and then it would be real interesting, IMHO!
But, I suppose the reason for that is to protect certain participants.
Otherwise, why not have a town hall type meeting, or a debate type forum.
Either one would be much more entertaining and informative IMHO!
Oh well, gotta accept what they will give us, don't we?
We may be able to determine who has done their homework at best.
I hope, I see a few of you there, as I said it could be very informative, at least I sure hope so!
And then tomorrow night, we, may get to see our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in action again with a consortium of of NGO's, brought to you compliments of the NGO Elk Konnected, LLC and our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. A consortium represents more NGO's and a bunch of people, maybe just a small bunch of 10 or 12 people, maybe a few more or a lot more, maybe with more visionaries or not, from God only knows where they come from, they don't come from Elk County, but they know what is best for Elk County, Kansas.
How many of you have seen anyone harming the Flint Hills or the Tall Grass Area ?
How many of you want a lot of regulations imposed that won't allow you to operate your farms and ranches the way you have been doing for years?
How many of you want to have to go to the court house and ask permission before you can mow your pastures for hay?
Aren't we already being told when we can burn our pastures and when we can not?
Why do you suppose that is happening?
My guess is some NGO or NGO's with their visionaries representing the city's, city's that exceed their pollution levels have blamed it on the farmer for burning his pasture!
Hence, they took it to the governing bodies and got regulations written. Just think about that!
The agencies called a meeting here, what was it year before last?
They showed us a picture supposedly taken from a satellite showing a lone huge cloud and told us it was smoke from burning our pastures and it was headed for Chicago and could raise Chicago's pollution level above acceptable?
Really, where was the proof the picture was real? Where were the stats showing the pollution level in that pretty white cloud?
Ever heard of photoshop?
Do you really believe you can trust the federal government to tell you the truth?
I worked for the federal government and I know better, even at the lowest levels!
But the Agencies sent a lot of men to that meeting to talk to us, why do you suppose so many men for such a simple subject?
To impress, to reinforce and even perhaps some intimidation to the effect that you have to believe us!
Isn't it possible that the more people running the show the more control, the less chance of anyone questioning, what is being told to them ?
Just food for thought!
It is my personal opinion that any votes for anyone but this write-in
M i c k e y W u n d e r l i c h will ensure the re-election of the incumbent Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau!
Mr. Wunderlich has been attending the County Commissioners meeting regularly for more than a year and a half,
and is very aware what the full ramifications of the office entail.
The job requires more knowledge than just the road department. It covers much more than just the road department! Much, much more!
So, let's remember the spelling and get this man elected for a great improvement to the County commissioners Board.
M i c k e y W u n d e r l i c h
Please read his web site and be sure to click through the pages for reading.
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 28, 2012, 09:09:52 PM
But it's OK to attack MY free speech! HA!
We've never had a generator. Our fire stations have them, so if I can get there they are always an option.. So the state is closed and evacuations have started and everything we've ever been trained for is up and operational. We are at level II driving now ,meaning only essential personnel.
The rest of the readers hear are very entertained by you folks.I'm off to bed now.Tomorrow is going to be a very long hard day.
Attack? No. In a debate, sandbox labels are different than than using/assigning self evident ideological alignments. Calling one a political conservative, progressive, capitalist or socialist is much different than calling them a wingnut or using pejoratives like 'Ross the Boss'. As for the readers here (not hear), please don't assume you have a lock on all of them... or even a majority. The majority are guests & aren't even registered.
Thanks Ross. I saw you put a scroll back on for "Vote for Hebb" in an earlier post, thank you. I'll take you up on that invitation for coffee when I can. My work is moving me all over the country right now, due to the bad economy. Next time I am in EK I will look you up. I sincerely want to meet you.
Quote from: Fire Elk on October 29, 2012, 05:59:42 PM
Thanks Ross. I saw you put a scroll back on for "Vote for Hebb" in an earlier post, thank you. I'll take you up on that invitation for coffee when I can. My work is moving me all over the country right now, due to the bad economy. Next time I am in EK I will look you up. I sincerely want to meet you.
I'll be looking forward to me you!
Send me a pm and I'll try to meet you over there in Longton for coffee, if possible.
I went to the big shindig in Howard tonight.
Big turn out, I counted 40 people, including the candidate, but not counting the ladies serving ice cream.
To bad oldtimers had set in on me, I showed up a half hour late.
I thought, I was a half hour early.
Anyway, I missed out on 95% of the Q&A !
But I had an excellent time visiting with some interesting people.
Including a blind man that is new to Elk County, it was a real pleasure visiting with the youg man.
And I gave him a hearty welcome to Elk County. I didn't notice anyone else doing that?
And after the talk a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner had about whether or not people talk proudly about being from Elk County when they nay be in another county.
Well, I'll tell you this much about me, I wear a Mills Feed and Supply cap just about every where I go.
And I am frequently asked if I live in Moline.
To that, I respond yes I live just outside of Moline and then ask if they happen to know Elk County.
And that usually starts, a conversation about the advantages of living here.
Now a different take on Elk County. I was quite surprised when I heard these words out of a land owner, right here in Elk County this morning.
I'm not making this up, because I am not that cleaver. The man said and I quote. "That Elk Konnected has made me realize it is time for me to be Elk County dis-connected." I think he was suggesting selling out and leaving Elk County. I find that a terrible shame, he seemd like such a nice guy, it would in my opinion be a shame to loose a resident for such a reason.
I'm looking forward to the shindig tomorrow night about saving the Flint Hills.
Who know there might be something to learn at that Community Conversation.
I just hope they don't play musical chairs, with kindergarten stars and such.
Good night folks.
Tonight's Community Conversation
Is it truly going to be a Community Conversation ?
If so, why will you be required to sign in?
If they truly only want a head count, why not just have someone stand there and count heads. They could even have a clicker to help do the counting, couldn't they ?
Remember right here on this thread, I was told I was a member of Elk Konnected, LLC, simply because I attended a meeting. Folks, I am not a member of any organization, especially one that controls our County Government via two controlling votes as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners that represents what I believe to be the "Old Guard" that Elk Konnected, LLC claimed to weed out of their organization. Another term for the "Old Guard " is the "Good Old Boys Club" only now women are in it !
Are they possibly planning to make another list of GREAT IDEA'S? Like the one at the start of this thread?
If so, will they include names of the people that come up with these GREAT IDEA'S ?
Or will they be ashamed of their GREAT IDEA'S ? I mean Elk Konnected, LLC's own Steering Committee (or as I like to call them, "Board of Governors) didn't even sign it, did they. No pride in that list anywhere in my personal opinion.
How about this one where they wanted to do away with all the city councils in Elk County and take complete control to Howard ! A really Big Idea, really?
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
If all their Big Idea's are so good why weren't there any names attached to any of them?
Why is it that even Elk Konnected, LLC or their illustrious founder won't take responsibility for the list of Big Idea's. That terrific list is right there on page one of this thread, please revue it. They were discussing spending possibly hundreds of millions of dollars, when the very maximum to be realized, from the wind farm money to the county would be less then twenty million dollars over twenty years. If the wind farm last that long. But will it last that long, that is an important question, isn't it?
Nobody assumes responsibility, for anything Elk Konnected, LLC, nobody, ask yourself why?
Where are the leadership qualities in that?
Now tonight, Elk Konnected, LLC an NGO (Non-Governmental Organization) is bring a much larger NGO into Elk County that has a consortium of NGO's.
Does Elk Konnected, LLC lack the ability to operate on their own?
I guess so, and it appears they are losing ground through all their failures!
I think, they are afraid they are going to be voted out of our County Government!
So they, call in reinforcements in order to look important, right?
Join another group instead of leading and to follow that is the way for them to go IMHO!
Then they can say look at what we did, when it is people from who know where doing it.
Anyway, moving on!
Is it really about saving the "Flint Hill's" ?
What are they saving the "Flint Hill's" from?
Is it you they are saving it from?
Or is it the farmers and ranchers that own the land ?
No matter which one what are they saving the "Flint Hill's" from, why do they need idea's ?
Why not just educate people to p[rotect the Flint Hills ?
I'll tell you why, I don't think it is about educating, because it is about control !
If they get idea's and no names attached, there is no responsibility on their part and they can shift responsibility to the citizens at large. And nobody know's who that is, right ? !
But I think it will, eventually come down to "Sustainable Development" ! Agenda 21?
And Sustainable Development of the United Nations, the same people that want to take away our rights to have guns!
What exactly is Sustainable Development? I don't know!
"Sustainable development (SD) refers to a mode of human development" ,this is from wikipedia. Still very vague, right?
What does that mean?
It can be twisted to mean anything and everything, because of it's vagueness, that's what it means, they don't IMHO! It can mean from what you can or can not eat, to what you can or can not drive, to what you can or can not plant on your farm, to what you can or can not graze in your pasture, to what you can or can not build on your property, even down to where or where you may or may not live. And like in China, it could even be used to mean how many children you may or may not have. Just think about the vagueness of that term, "Sustainable Development", please?
Why a consortum of NGO's, coming to Elk County? Simply power, nothing more, IMHO!
Power either comes from having lots of money or lots of people or lots of organizations, or all three, lots of money and lots of people and lots of organizations all pulled together.
They will be very well organized tonight, they will have their plan right down to a nat's ass on control. I bet they even have the Sheriff and his deputies there?
Maybe they will even have the Chataqua Sheriff there, afterall he was at the "Meet and Greet the Candidates" in Grenola, yea he was there! I spoke with him and asked why he was carrying a gun, when there was a sign on the door, no guns. That's when he told me he was the Chataqua Sheriff ?
What business does a Sheriff, outside of his jurisdiction, on a friendly visit to Elk County, have with carrying a gun into a Community Conversation, where a sign is saying no guns?
He is not in his jurisdiction and apparently not on duty and not in uniform, and that makes him an everyday citizen just like you and me.
So, why does he break the rules, why is he allowed to break the rules, why didn't our County Sheriff ask the man to abide by the rule,s and leave his gun in his car ?
No, I don't buy that professional courtesy B.S., it does not apply in this type of situation. Rules are rules and laws are laws, which pertain to all including sheriffs outside of their jusrisdiction. Or, are the Sheriff's and police in our country above the law and rules and regulations?
But really, what is our country and our county becoming?
What are NGO's becoming?
Are they the new form of Government?
Just food for thought!
I'd suggest as many people attend tonight, to learn what is coming down the pike, in Elk County and your way of life!
I'd also suggest not signing anything, until you have a couple of days to think about it.
If you feel you must sign their registry, please print, better yet don't even do that!
Your name on their registry can be used in such a manner that it appears you are in approval of whatever they say or do, even if you don't spprove.
All just simply my opinion and my thoughts.
Please do your own thing and your own thinking!
And I hope you enjoy the conversation tonight.
Let's get the vote out for Mr. Hebb and Mr. Wunderlich!
As a side note... I wonder if the Sheriff and/or his deputies will be providing 'security' for this privately held meeting at taxpayer expense as they have at least twice before. Must be nice to have a fully armed security force for free at your private meeting. Talk about government/private partnerships! I guess they misunderstand constitutional limits.
Then again, this whole thing stinks of UN Agenda 21 usurpation of constitutional US sovereignty. Put your thinking caps on, citizens. Look for open debate on the issues, open votes on the decisions... look for a 'facilitator' who wants to suppress any free speech that doesn't support the agenda of those running the meeting. Let's hope not.... this is still America, after all.
Yea, I'm anxious to see of Elk Konnected, LLC is so parinoid and fearful of Elk County and other Kansas Citizens to have the Elk County Serifff Department on guard duty for them !
And I do believe if they do, they should have to pay the Departments salary for the day, plus the protion for medical benefits and Social Security. Awe heck all the benfits for one day and vehical expenses for a day.
Do you think thiose Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are responsible enough to understand and compensate the county appropriately ?
I don't think so!
I didn't see the Sheriff's deputies as security for the event last night, for the Farm Bureau !
Did I miss something?
Toinights meeting for vitality of the Flint Hills was overall a farce IMHO!
It's to late to go into it tonight, but I consider it another Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners failures.
I thought it was suppose to be about saving the Flint Hills, I do believe the first newspaper article about this Kommunity Konversation said exactly that.
But no, it had nothing at all to do with saving the Flint Hills, nothing what so ever, talk about misleading, wow!
I'll try to give more information tomorrow, because, tonight I am tired and ready to go to bed.
So, good night everyone.
The Kommunity Konversation about saving the Flint Hills wasn't about saving the Flint Hills. In fact at the start of the meeting they said. "For those people who showed up to learn something about the Flint Hills, well, you will be disappointed, because we don't know anything about the Flint Hills.
So let's back up a moment or two. I took a head count and came up with 53 people attending. What a pathetic turn out for supposedly four counties. Two were Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, one was the Elk County Youth Development Employee also Konnected, the Konnected West Elk School Board President, maybe three people from Flint Hills Frontier the NGO that was invited to hold this shindig, and other Konnected people. A couple of men from Chautauqua County. And a man from Butler County. Just to name a few.
The sheriff's department was not present. I guess the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners got the message that our county sheriff's department should not be working as Elk Konnected, LLC's private security agent's.
Oh, no circle of chairs and no kindergarten colored stars and no name tags. But they did have tables and what appeared a facilitator at each table. Except at the table where I was sitting. My table had all the seats full and they were all rednecks. The name redneck is a name to be proud of because rednecks are determined and get the job done.
Very interesting the group from out of county was less prepared then Elk Konnected, LLC has been to hold such a shindig. The referred to Elk Public Squares Communities several times at the top of the meeting. I guess they didn't know it is Elk Konnected, LLC! I believe due to the amateurish way the meeting went these were newbie's in training, training to learn how to control and manipulate people.
The man said something about, "We a multi-county community."
No wait a minute I thought Elk Konnected, LLC was all about the local Konnected Kommunity. You know the one with no boundaries? Well I guess the no boundary is spreading to multi-county communities! What next, multi-state communities and multi-National communities. Wait a moment we have Multi- National communities don't we, through NATO don't we? Where does all this B.S. end?
Someone got up and spoke about some of the activities for kids and how their community and their how their children were not informed! And the man doing most of the answering said, "If an organization truly serve the people, there be direct communications with the people."
Did you hear that Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, right here is your direct line of communications. Remember you folks said, you were going to use the forum for that purpose several years ago?
I liked this one, an older lady, who I have seen and heard before, said what keeps this county going is the Rugged Individualism of the People of Elk County. I thought that was well said and a very strong point. I respect this lady for her view points. I spoke with her after the meeting and she told me she has been studying Communism for a very long time and in fact, she said she just finished a course in Communism. I find her fascinating! Her nephew could learn a lot from her IMHO.
But when this lady started speaking the people at the table next to the one I was sitting at started giggling and laughing and I believe it was about what she had to say but I can't swear to that! At any rate it was very rude and disrespectful of the IMHO! It sure appeared to me to be a table loaded with Konnected folks, just shameful in my opinion to act in such a fashion when an elder is speaking. I personally thought what this lady had to say was the high light of the evening. However, organization of this nature in my opinion do not respect individualism and are more interested in collectivism because of their terminology and actions and only have room for one individual and that is the one at the top of the chain. But they have to have followers in order to be at the top don't they?
I see the top failing because of the lack of followers and because of the deceit such as this meeting supposedly being about "Saving the Flint Hills: and then not being what they originally claimed. Once again they only had a total of 53 people from supposedly 4 counties being invited, that is a pathetic turn out especially since that included Elk Konnected, LLC Konnected people and the people from the NGO Flint Hills Frontier.
Oh. There was so much B.S. I could write about, but since it is so boring, I'll stop right here. I'm sure you folks reading this need a break. The whole shindig was a complete flop IMHO! Very amateurish! Going nowhere!
Perhaps someone else found it to be different than I did, especially the Konnected Followers.
They had ink pens on the table for us to use and I visited the http://www.coreessentialscenter.com site that was on the ink pens.
It was Angie Baur that was in charge of last night's meeting, however some guy did most of the talking, any way, here is a paragraph from her web site:
Angie Baur is from Towanda, KS
Since returning to Kansas in 2008 Angie Baur has worked in the world of Philanthropy. Presently she is the Associate Director of Central Kansas Community Foundation, based in Newton, KS. In addition to her meaningful work at the local Community Foundation she owns, Core Essentials LLC, a consulting and coaching business. One of her topic clients is Public Square Communities Inc. As a community facilitator she works with citizens in progressive communities who want to thrive. All her work ties into building strong communities.
I took a google earth drive through Towanda, Butler County, KS population 1,450 and I don't see any thriving community there, Why, isn't it thriving with this expert living there?
Oh well!
But you can not possibly believe these people are running, what I consider a racket, without making a really good pay check?
That have all that extensive edumaction that isn't cheap to get. So they gotta be making a hefty income off of this stuff. In seven years of Elk Konnected, LLC have you seen anything substantial come out of it? I haven't, except for continuous failure!
But Ross, she has a degree and is a Licensed Master Social Worker. It's good to know we have a Social Worker helping us with the 'problems' in our community. Would that make these 'konversations' more like group therapy?
You are both beyond hope. Sarcasm is all you can come up with? Why the disrespectful put downs? Feeling a bit inadequate are we? More reasons while only a few of us will even try to talk to you. Perhaps you and Pat should just talk and puff up only to each other, and the rest can sit along the side lines and throw peanuts at you.
I think someone should start a sarcasm thread where no useful ideas may ever be addressed.... Just long strings of personal attacks and put downs may be written, no matter who writes or what the subject is.
You two can start.You haven't had any really useful information to share with your local people for a very, very long time. It's just tons of rehash over and over. I keep coming back expecting to see something new or proof of wrong doing or something worth reading...nope. Even your so called report on that meeting just reeks of negativity. Just close it all down at watch the area become a ghost town even sooner than expected because you have driven away anyone's will to try? Every effort is seen through squinty eyes and with suspicion. If that's the way it is, I sure wouldn't want to try to start up a business there. Might as well shut the doors and turn out the lights. It is what it is and what will be already is. Nobody new may apply.
I'm thinking that you boys are doing quite well. Anytime someone like Diane
says you're beyond hope, I say "amen" because the liberals, socilaists, and the
communists can't stand your comments. You're definitely not one of them.
Beware that some of 'em are hiding under the Republican Party banner.
Quote from Diane:
I keep coming back expecting to see something new or proof of wrong doing or something worth reading...nope.
And you just keep adding to the "not worth reading ." As for us turning into ghost towns, did you ever consider that is exactly what some of the people want ?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
You are both beyond hope. Sarcasm is all you can come up with? Why the disrespectful put downs? Feeling a bit inadequate are we? More reasons while only a few of us will even try to talk to you. Perhaps you and Pat should just talk and puff up only to each other, and the rest can sit along the side lines and throw peanuts at you.
I think someone should start a sarcasm thread where no useful ideas may ever be addressed.... Just long strings of personal attacks and put downs may be written, no matter who writes or what the subject is.
You two can start.You haven't had any really useful information to share with your local people for a very, very long time. It's just tons of rehash over and over. I keep coming back expecting to see something new or proof of wrong doing or something worth reading...nope. Even your so called report on that meeting just reeks of negativity. Just close it all down at watch the area become a ghost town even sooner than expected because you have driven away anyone's will to try? Every effort is seen through squinty eyes and with suspicion. If that's the way it is, I sure wouldn't want to try to start up a business there. Might as well shut the doors and turn out the lights. It is what it is and what will be already is. Nobody new may apply.
Not that "the boys" need any help from me, but Diane, exactly how was your post helpful and informative? Were you at the Kommunity Organizing Konversation last night to be able to dispute anything that was said about it? I was. Do I feel there is any need to dispute anything said by Ross or Patriot? Nope. Was that meeting one of the biggest jokes I've ever been to? Yep, it was second only to the first Kommunity Organizing Konversation that I went to. They klaim to want open and honest dialogue between citizens of the Kommunities involved but when a person is talking and trying to explain their thoughts and feelings on a subject, they tell them to stop and be quiet because there's not enough time to talk? Some of the Grand Poobahs of Elk Konnected were sitting at tables around the room and when ordinary people, citizens that they klaim to want to make this area better for, would talk and give ideas (ideas that other ordinary citizens were liking and responding to by the way), those Grand Poobahs would LAUGH and make jokes at their tables. What was funny? Not what the ordinary citizens were talking about; no those ideas weren't funny. Those ideas were good. They made sense to the common folk. What must've been funny was the fact that everyone was there as part of a ruse because not ONE of those "ordinary" ideas will come into play in anything that is conjured up by the people that ran that Konversation.
Intelligent people agree that the ONLY way that this county will get any businesses to come here or tourists to come here is to start by fixing the infrastructure of this county. Intelligent people know when the wool is being pulled over their eyes. I liken this forum to the media we see on tv. Some are fair and balanced and provide useful information while others only care about popularity and how much money people have. People need to vote out what has not worked for the past four years on ALL levels!----Jennifer L. Walker
P.S. Elk Konnected is supposed to help all people of the Kounty by using the Kounty Development coordinator (and taxpayer dollars) but guess what? Not everyone NEEDS it or is even OFFERED any help. OUR money built OUR business with NO help from Elk Konnected, nor would we have ACCEPTED it! WE built IT with no help from any Kommunity Organizers, either from here OR Washington, D.C. and we thank ALL our friends and neighbors and the travelers who support us!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
You are both beyond hope. Sarcasm is all you can come up with? Why the disrespectful put downs?
Actually, we're practicing what we observe in kommunity conversations.... effective application of the Alinsky Method (aka Delphi Technique):
...the facilitator learns something about each member of the target group. S/He identifies the "leaders," the "loud mouths," as well as those who frequently turn sides during the argument — the "weak or noncommittal".
Suddenly, the amiable facilitator becomes "devil's advocate." S/He dons his professional agitator hat. Using the "divide and conquer" technique, s/he manipulates one group opinion against the other. This is accomplished by manipulating those who are out of step to appear "ridiculous, unknowledgeable, inarticulate, or dogmatic." S/He wants certain members of the group to become angry, thereby forcing tensions to accelerate. The facilitator is well trained in psychological manipulation. S/He is able to predict the reactions of each group member. Individuals in opposition to the policy or program will be shut out of the group.Of course, we haven't had the professional interview, training & practice, but we're trying to learn. :)
Mr. Liebau get's it though.... as soon as the table discussions started last nigh, he identified one poor soul and instantly tried to ridicule & embarrass them be accusing them of not caring about the future of the flint hills, Elk county and the kids who live here. He's learned the process, and did very well. It was fascinating! You would have been proud. Unfortunately, he failed to turn the table group against the individual. Pulled the trigger too soon, I think. But he sure gave it a good try.
By the way, you have spelling and grammar errors in your post...gotcha back. ;D.
I'm sure I wouldn't be proud of anything that would deliberately try to embarrass anyone in a public meeting...I have a much softer style.
The fact you seem to know so much about the Delphi Technique is very disquieting to me. The people I know of who are so good at it are deliberate radical trouble makers with the intent to destroy whatever they don't like, no matter what it is.
Jennifer I stand by what I said. By the way, it's great that so far your business is a success. When I started mine, I didn't need any outside help either. Some people do..that's why people loan out money and small businesses can get advice when they want or need it. They have to ask. Usually it isn't offered,one has to seek it out.I'm not sure who you mean by the "common folk" though. Are you separating people out? Aren't you all common folk?
Since you've never seen me run a meeting you wouldn't know.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 07:08:08 PM
The people I know of who are so good at it are deliberate radical trouble makers with the intent to destroy whatever they don't like, no matter what it is.
You don't say. And we know some of the same folks, don't we. You're right, they are destroying what they don't like. You should see & hear them in action like many of us did just last night.
Jar, you have always had permission to skip my posts. By the way ,why would anyone want Elk County to become nothing but little ghost towns? That's very sad.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
You are both beyond hope. Sarcasm is all you can come up with? Why the disrespectful put downs? Feeling a bit inadequate are we? More reasons while only a few of us will even try to talk to you. Perhaps you and Pat should just talk and puff up only to each other, and the rest can sit along the side lines and throw peanuts at you.
I have no answers. because no one knows anything, about your Elk Konnected, LLC, Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks. And if you re-read this post of yours, I think you would find it is full of negative and degrading remarks. Now does that sound like all that positive attitude Elk Konnected, LLC wants?
You did tell us awhile back you had $85,000 dollars in your coffers. But you don't say where it has all gone!
Was that possibly used to pay administrative costs, such as paychecks?
Here is a couple of questions for you Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, why do you operate in such a deceptive manner as having donations made to ECCEF and have ECCEF then transfer to Elk Konnected, LLC?
Deception is not a positive attitude is it?
Is it because if your NGO, LLC were non-profit, you would have to be more open with the public?
Is that why? Just asking?
There is no sarcasm or put down in asking questions of an NGO when they are claiming to want to improve the quality of life in Elk County.
An NGO that is supposed to be serving the best interest of the people of Elk County, now is there?
Refusing to answer questions by hiding behind such accusations that you have made here is just childish as all get out IMHO?
Or are you doing that in order to hide something?
If that is the case what are you doing with your position of County Commissioner?
I had to ask!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
I think someone should start a sarcasm thread where no useful ideas may ever be addressed.... Just long strings of personal attacks and put downs may be written, no matter who writes or what the subject is.
You asked for it, here is some sarcasm especially for you!
Are your ideas really, no useful ideas?
Are you referring to the list of ideas at the beginning of this thread?
Sorry about that! Not!
Really asking questions that go unanswered is sarcasm?
If the questions are sarcasm, then why not answers them honestly, showing that they are sarcasm, and turn the tables on the questions?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
You two can start.You haven't had any really useful information to share with your local people for a very, very long time. It's just tons of rehash over and over. I keep coming back expecting to see something new or proof of wrong doing or something worth reading...nope.
I have said it many times, I have only unanswered questions.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
Even your so called report on that meeting just reeks of negativity. Just close it all down at watch the area become a ghost town even sooner than expected because you have driven away anyone's will to try?
Well the meeting was a farce, pulled together as "Saving the Flint Hills". Adn them folks fron Butler county said they didn't know anythig about the Flint Hills. Wasn't that extremely negative?
Threats of a ghost town, what is positive about a threat?
Not very nice!
In fact very negative of you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 02:52:33 PM
Every effort is seen through squinty eyes and with suspicion. If that's the way it is, I sure wouldn't want to try to start up a business there. Might as well shut the doors and turn out the lights. It is what it is and what will be already is. Nobody new may apply.
You sure do seem to be having a lot of trouble starting that daycare center.
And you didn't even thank me for helping you acquire the refridgerator, dishwasher and washing machine. But that's okay!
I don't have squinty eyes, sorry. Suspicion of what? Poor performance perhaps and taking credit for what our County Government does? Oh, and attempting to pay gas mileage to our County employee with County money, while she was on Elk Konnected, LLC business.
But that was not suspicion because Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau during a County Commissioners meeting pulled out his wallet and paid for the gas mileage, didn't he?
However, if County Commissioner Ritz had not objected paying for mileage used for Elk Konnected, LLC you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners would have paid it, right?
No suspicion when, Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's aunt called you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners on the carpet for letting your NGO take over the official County web site, no suspicion at all in that is there?
No suspicion, when you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners let your NGO abuse the
Official County emergency notification system was there?
This is just a few reasons you should vote for someone not Elk Konnected, LLC.
Voting for spmeone that will not abuse the Elk County taxpayers and voters, now wouldn't that be a very positive thing for Elk County, Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks? So can we count on your vote for Mr. Hebb as a positive move for Elk County?
That last post Diane was deffinitly yours, doing the spill checking thing and missing the real mnessage, too bad!
Does Elk County, or even just yourself, need the
false hope for
change offered by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and her
NGO Elk Konnected, LLC ?Have you seen any kind of change in the past seven years based on that
false hope ?Have you seen any hope of
POSITIVE change in
Elk County under the control of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner?
Or is it just failure after failure you see under this false
HOPE they offer?
I'm just asking!
Please Read Mr. Wunderlich's web site to understand why Elk County needs new and responsible and loyal leadership in County Commissioners Seats.
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
Some People are simply more willing to believe falsehoods that confirm their own view, so, instead some in the public increasingly takes issue with those who deliver the facts. To see just how easy it is to be fooled, one need only visit the controlled confines of the university laboratory.
Or read this web site http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm to understand what is really happening in Elk County Government.
Do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners operate only to propagandize the many for the benefit of the few? Do they really need to provide
welfare to those that do not need it, in the form of tax kick backs also Known as tax rebates, whiled keeping everyone else's property tax inflated?
Displaced loyalties ?
I think so, what do you think?
Allowing Elk Konnected, LLC to remain out of control and shrouded in secrecy clearly allows for abuse with in Elk County Government and the continued begging our tax dollars. I'd like to see some transparency from our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and an audit of their organization's books and a list of County Taxpayer moneys given to Elk Konnected, LLC, money that was approved by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their organization? If that doesn't sound like the
"Old Guard", I don't know what does! {Can someone help me out with this one about the
"Old Guard" thing ?)
I'd like to see some proof that Elk Konnected, LLC is a community organizer! Seven years and nothing, so far, concerning community improvements, why?
Is it because of poor leadership?
Or is it all just a big cover up for something cooking behind closed doors?
Transparency isn't going to ever happen in my opinion!
So let's get out there and vote for some
POSITIVE Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!" Do it for your own Benefit !"
I did my civic duty this morning, and it was so easy.
I walked in the court house door, up the stairs into the office.
I showed my driver license and I was off and voting.
I told the clerk they sure make voting sweet and ate a little piece of candy
from the bowl on the desk.
No lines, no crowds, no problems.
So let's get out there and vote for some
POSITIVE Change, Okay?
Let's get change for the better done, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!" Do it for your own Benefit !"
Quote from Diane:
Jar, you have always had permission to skip my posts. By the way ,why would anyone want Elk County to become nothing but little ghost towns? That's very sad.
I didn't know I needed "permission" from you Ms. Teacher. Guess old habits are hard to break, even if it was decades ago. I just can't help myself, Diane---you are like a train wreck waiting to happen and I don't want to miss it. Plus, everyone needs a little humor in their life
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
By the way ,why would anyone want Elk County to become nothing but little ghost towns? That's very sad.
Another retort couched perfectly in the true Saul Alinsky form. You really don't see it, do you?
City slickers will never understand why some of us would rather have ghost towns than the alternative. No MS-13 gangs---no "peaceful" Black Panthers---no zoning and all that other big city government intrusion---no nosey city slickers that think they have all the answers to rural living-------- (no wait, we have them )
People that live here are survivors . Look at the east coast city slicks right now---going to fist-a-cuffs at the gasoline pumps because they need that gas for their generators. The poor souls have been in the dark and cold for THREE whole days now.
A few years back we had an ice storm and some people were with-out electricity for 10 days----and we survived---imaging that. Houses we lit up at night from kerosene lamps . We had natural gas so nobody froze as far as I know. There was plenty of ice out side to fill ice chests for food from the ice boxes. Most people have pantries and root cellars stocked with enough chow to feed their families for a long time. Electric range and microwaves won't work ?? Not a problem---most have camping stoves or at least a BBQ grill. Trees and limbs down all over the place ? Again, not a problem---every other household has a chain saw or two and just look at all that firewood to keep people warm. My wife has two horses just across the street in a pasture----before we starve,------- I hear they taste just like chicken. Those are just a few of the reasons I don't give a hoot & holler if Elk county ever grows !!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 31, 2012, 07:22:34 PM
By the way ,why would anyone want Elk County to become nothing but little ghost towns? That's very sad.
Of course not Diane, no one wants that, just like no one wants super storms, but that is not what this thread is about, is it?
What is this thread really about Diane?
It's about Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC, isn't it ?
It's about false hopes for the last seven years of a quality of life and other things, right?
It's about disrespect of the Elk County taxpayers and their rexources.
It is about false hope offered by an NGO!
It's about the confusion of Elk Konnected, LLC and the blurred line between them an NGO and our County Government.
It's about a foolish list of ideas turned over to the Elk County Commissioners by Elk Konnected, LLC.
This thread is not about your false accusations or suggestions that anyone wants harm for Elk County, Kansas or it citizens.
Which includes the young, the old, the babies, the handicapped or any other person. Quite the opposite.
Please concentrate, focus and pay attention to the subject of this thread.
I feel if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are voted out of office, along with them will go the "Old Guard".
And the county will be far better off for it.And I am hoping and praying that the majority of Elk County, Kansas (not Delaware residents such as you) agree and that their votes show it.
Sorry but you Delaware residents can not vote in the Elk County, Kansas elections.
I got off track too Ross---sorry---but it probably won't be the last time I do so :D
Quote from: jarhead on November 01, 2012, 01:33:46 PM
I got off track too Ross---sorry---but it probably won't be the last time I do so :D
Bite me Jarhead. LOL
Hey Ross...ya voted? Glad to hear they still accept an X for your signature, you uneducated redneck, you. Just kidding of course. We don't have early voting here. We can actually remember what day the election is! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Nah, we have absentee balloting and election day and that's it.
It would be nice if you'd stop talking to me as if I'm Liz. Makes ya look like a mental case!
As far as how I write and respond to you few nasties...what difference does it make? If I didn't exist, you'd find someone else to pick on, so I'm saving someone from all your ridiculous attempts at insults, rudeness and ridicule.
Yes, I have different opinions some times. That doesn't mean I don't "get it". Remember, I get additional information from people who do live out there, including a couple who are rather afraid of you because they question your sanity.
As far as "all you ever do is ask questions"...Do you really believe that? Go back and reread your own posts from a year and a half ago and watch as the months go by and the belittling starts and the attacks on many of us started. I kept hoping the ridicule and rude writing would stop, but it obviously won't. Some times I think you do it trying to impress each other. Many folks are not amused and are still afraid I'll think you are all like that. I know better. You always manage to somehow justify whatever rudeness you choose to dump on people. Blame is your middle name? Why bother. If you think you're gonna put this "city slicker" in her place, I have news for you. Newark looks a lot like Howard neighborhoods, just with more of it. Plus, I grew up way out in the country and moved here as an adult.Some of you live in town too. Do ya call them city slickers?
Yes, a number no longer post on any thread because of it. If my posts are not "enlightening," fine, move on, who cares? I really do think you few are a minority out there, but the elections will tell. Regardless, I wish the new commissioners well and hope they will have your respect.
Ross, did you really think you had to tell me I won't be voting out there? Talk about stating the obvious! Hopefully these political threads will die a natural death on Tuesday, but who knows. and according to Jar there are those who do want Elk County to die and once again I'll say, that is a real shame.
There have been some improvements over the last several years. I don't care who gets the credit for them, but they do exist. Some at great cost to some individuals, some at taxpayer expense.Think about it, what has improved in Elk County? I know some things, and as you are happy to remind me, I don't even live there.
I'm sorry Diane all that is all nothing but big city talk from Delaware that has absolutely nothing to do first hand here in Elk County!
Yes Diane, they accepted my shaky hand written X. LOL
Your long distance information is simply useless to me as well as your opinion from Delaware.
But you are entitled to express your opinion all you want.
As far as improvements in Elk County I have a hefty investment in improvements in Elk County as well as many others and the extreme taxation is making it difficult on a retirement check, for myself and others !
Perhaps with fresh, new unattached County Commissioners that might change.
Unattached to an NGO, that is!
I don't see any possibility of lower property taxes with the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their NGO which is IMHO driven by the "Old Guard" and Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks. Oh, that is the group of people, un-named that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks addressed in one of her open letters on the internet.
I wouldn't count on this thread dying as long as Elk Konnected, LLC is involved in Elk County Government, even if they are not Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
As long as they leave the impression of interfering in government, someone may be watching.
However, if you want this thread to die at you convience just discontinue receiving the e-mail that lets you know a new post has been made. Magically the thread has died just for you.
Then perhaps you can have extra time to get engaged, involved, active in your local community.
Wouldn't that be a positive thing for you.
If you did not let others write your posts for you, I would not have to call you Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks!
But you said it and left the door open! We really don't have any idea who is writing under the name Diane Amberg, do we?
So sorry about that!
But why are you so against good positive change in Elk County, Kansas while you live in Delaware?
Why are you supportive of an NGO that has done nothing but beg for county recreational money, and takes credit for what others do, and begs for supplies to start a daycare center business? Exactly what has the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's NGO accomplished in the past seven years?
Facts, not fiction please?
Can't you see the failure of those Konnected Kounty Kommissioner's, failure in running an NGO?
How many times do they have to be called on the carpet, even one time at a County Commissioners meeiting by a Commissioners own Aunt?
They failed at running their Wellness Center with all the exercise equipment and everything paid for them with (OPM) other peoples money?
How can you support continuous failure?
That's why Elk County needs good, positive change, but apparently you are against that, why?
I truely feel sorry for you and your way of thinking.
Just think about it, even Elk Konnected, LLC wants positive change !
Or are they just implying that as propaganda?
Left what door open? Nobody writes for me or under my name. What you wrote makes no sense! Are you really a looney? Read what you wrote again and explain it to me, please.
As far as your retirement...Show me any average person on a fixed income and when taxes are raised it's hard in any state. That's why some people really never totally retire and work part time as long as their health holds out. Eventually one learns that if ya want something extra ya gotta work for it.
You are telling me to get involved here at home? My what a novel concept! I'd never have thought of it...as I took the kids from the Delaware School for the Deaf on tour of our fire house this morning and worked with a translator so they could learn fire safety and what firefighters do.
Yup, that's our "Big City" ways alright. We even admit that there ARE deaf kids and do what we can to help. I suppose a kid in Elk County wouldn't dare be born imperfect, huh. On a serious note,to reduce taxes,what services are you willing to do without? Just curious. We have the same problem here, but then voters aren't willing to give up anything to reduce their taxes. Personally I think we have great services for the money, but that's just me.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Left what door open? Nobody writes for me or under my name. What you wrote makes no sense!
You said you write what other people tell you. How doe we know you haven't just gave them accessibility to write under your name? Several of your post lacked you style of writing, therefore what is left? Very simple, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Are you really a looney?
No I am no loony!
I am crazy, but I ain't insane!
I'm high but it's not high on drugs"
But high on life?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
You are telling me to get involved here at home? My what a novel concept! I'd never have thought of it...as I took the kids from the Delaware School for the Deaf on tour of our fire house this morning and worked with a translator so they could learn fire safety and what firefighters do.
Yup, that's our "Big City" ways alright. We even admit that there ARE deaf kids and do what we can to help. I suppose a kid in Elk County wouldn't dare be born imperfect, huh. On a serious note,to reduce taxes,what services are you willing to do without? Just curious. We have the same problem here, but then voters aren't willing to give up anything to reduce their taxes. Personally I think we have great services for the money, but that's just me.
That's Elk Konnected, LLC's apparent way also, exploit the kids, with you it is exploit the handicapped kids. Good job of attempting diversion!
This is a political thread, not a thread discussing kids.
You and Elk Konnected, LLC seem to have a strong need of exploiting children, IMHO!
The suggestion, I suppose should have been much more direct, so you would comprehend it.
Perhaps you can Get involved, engaged, concerned with politics in your own community in Delaware. Is that clear enough for you?
Don't tell me, Delaware has no political issues state wide ! If that is true I might have to move there. Is there a home for sale next to your? No way, just kidding! Your involvement in our political problems is totally useless, don't you see that? If we do vote in new and better and positive and focused County Commissioners it has no effect on your life or your lifestyle, now does it.
Don't you get it?
Get a life in Delaware in politics, why don't you?
Solve your issues at home, that would serve you much better, don't you think?
Do you even know want the local issues are?
Would you even understand our local issues way up there in Delaware?
Where are all the Konnected Followers ?
Were they instructed by Elk Konnected, LLC to shut up?
They all can be off line all the time, can they?
Why is it they don't have anything positive about any of the candidates?
It seemed like every tine they came on this thread they had something horrible to say!
Perhaps that the problem, they got so use to always saying something horrible, they can no longer say anything positive or complimentary of any of the candidates!
That is just a shame, I hope their attitude improves!
For our local readers I would suggest reading Mr. Wunderlich's web site.
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
And I would suggest and only suggest the local voters do the following:
(Sorry, Diane you are not invited, not enough time to move here and get registered to vote locally. Maybe next time!)
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Left what door open? Nobody writes for me or under my name. What you wrote makes no sense!
You said you write what other people tell you. How doe we know you haven't just gave them accessibility to write under your name? Several of your post lacked you style of writing, therefore what is left? Very simple, right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
Are you really a looney?
No I am no loony!
I am crazy, but I ain't insane!
I'm high but it's not high on drugs"
But high on life?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 01, 2012, 05:34:22 PM
You are telling me to get involved here at home? My what a novel concept! I'd never have thought of it...as I took the kids from the Delaware School for the Deaf on tour of our fire house this morning and worked with a translator so they could learn fire safety and what firefighters do.
Yup, that's our "Big City" ways alright. We even admit that there ARE deaf kids and do what we can to help. I suppose a kid in Elk County wouldn't dare be born imperfect, huh. On a serious note,to reduce taxes,what services are you willing to do without? Just curious. We have the same problem here, but then voters aren't willing to give up anything to reduce their taxes. Personally I think we have great services for the money, but that's just me.
That's Elk Konnected, LLC's apparent way also, exploit the kids, with you it is exploit the handicapped kids. Good job of attempting diversion!
This is a political thread, not a thread discussing kids.
You and Elk Konnected, LLC seem to have a strong need of exploiting children, IMHO!
The suggestion, I suppose should have been much more direct, so you would comprehend it.
Perhaps you can Get involved, engaged, concerned with politics in your own community in Delaware. Is that clear enough for you?
Don't tell me, Delaware has no political issues state wide ! If that is true I might have to move there. Is there a home for sale next to your? No way, just kidding! Your involvement in our political problems is totally useless, don't you see that? If we do vote in new and better and positive and focused County Commissioners it has no effect on your life or your lifestyle, now does it.
Don't you get it?
Get a life in Delaware in politics, why don't you?
Solve your issues at home, that would serve you much better, don't you think?
Do you even know want the local issues are?
Would you even understand our local issues way up there in Delaware?
Where are all the Konnected Followers ?
Were they instructed by Elk Konnected, LLC to shut up?
They all can be off line all the time, can they?
Why is it they don't have anything positive about any of the candidates?
It seemed like every tine they came on this thread they had something horrible to say!
Perhaps that the problem, they got so use to always saying something horrible, they can no longer say anything positive or complimentary of any of the candidates!
That is just a shame, I hope their attitude improves!
For our local readers I would suggest reading Mr. Wunderlich's web site.
http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm
And I would suggest and only suggest the local voters do the following:
(Sorry, Diane you are not invited, not enough time to move here and get registered to vote locally. Maybe next time!)
So let's get out there and vote for some
positive Change, Okay?
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back.Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
I never said I write what other people tell me to write. You are wrong... again....I did once say that some things were "suggested"to me by some forum members because of their concerns, but as always, I wrote what I wanted and never copied anything from or for anyone. Writing style? Give me a break! What a stretch! Frankly, I wouldn't know how to let someone write under my name and I'm sure Teresa wouldn't allow it anyway. You are truly weird! and your smart mouth comments about exploiting deaf kids is really beyond belief!
Quote from Diane:
I have news for you. Newark looks a lot like Howard neighborhoods,
To compare Howard --pop 687, to Newark--pop 31,454, is ludicrous as is your constant whining about people being rude to you---then you say to Ross he is a "mental case " "question his sanity" "loony " etc.
Ross questions why you don't get on the numerous forums in your neck of the woods and talk like you do on Elk counties. Might it be that you used to but after some folks told you to take a hike because of your rudeness and bullying ways, that you switched gears---and here you are !!!
OUCH Jarhead! sometimes the truth hurts.
Jarhead, you don't just get off track on occasion. You have been off track for many a year now! :-*
Jar, I do go on the forum here. There are people from all over Delaware, other states, and several countries. Some are folks who went to UD or used to live here.
There is lots of debate but never as nasty as on here.The administrator will ban anyone who makes personal attacks instead of debating the issues. There is never a problem with who said what to whom first. It rarely gets that far. There are of all kinds of people and political attachments. Some are staunch anti gun people, many are not. We have people on both sides of every issue there is. The majority are much younger than I am. There are several nurses, firefighters, lawyers, mechanics, farmers and many others with diverse back grounds. Most are much more active in the evening, except for the retiree section.
There you go Jarhead proof she is a busy body in everyone elses business.
All the way around the world!
I just wonder how she has time to be able to keep the rest of the worlds threads screwed up as much as she does this thread. And all the way from Delaware.
And she is trying to tell us that all the world is better then us and being very judgemental from Delaware.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 02, 2012, 08:06:53 AM
There is lots of debate but never as nasty as on here.The administrator will ban anyone who makes personal attacks instead of debating the issues.
I know she's not telling the truth in that statement because this is not the only forum or blog I have followed.
Thanks for the entertainment Diane! A theater of the absurd!
How can you trust someone so judgemental and is so knowledgeable of ever facet of the internet?
Oh well. back on topic Elk County and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their NGO Elk Konnected, LLC and the "Old Guard".
A great and positive change that would greatly improve the Quality of Life in Elk County IMHO would be to vote out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners who have failed tremendopusly at running their Elk Konnected Wellness Center even though the business was given to them on a silver platter, all bought and paid for with OPM (other peoples money).
And lest we forget those same Konnected Kounty Kommissioners allowed their NGO to abuse County resources on many occassions.
The failures do not seem to end for these Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. I heard a man say the other day this Konnected business is about to make him become dis-Konnected from Elk County. Isn't that nice driving people out of Elk County by being Konnected. Is that a new form of population control?
Here are those two guys that don't belong to or operate an NGO and can concentrate on County Commissioners duties.
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Ross, you poor thing.
Calling me a liar about the forum in my own state? You know nothing about it obviously, or you would say the name and the administrators name and how many members there are.
You have again put lots of words in my mouth that I never said. You brag about your lack of education but do you have to keep proving it over and over? If you feel inadequate as compared to others, that's on you. I know exactly what you are trying to do and it won't work.
How have I ever screwed up this thread ? According to you nobody reads what I say or ever pays any attention to it. Are you afraid some people like hearing other points of view and might actually agree with some??I promise you they do. If ya do any more twisting you'll turn into a pretzel
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 02, 2012, 01:28:51 PM
Ross, you poor thing.
Calling me a liar about the forum in my own state? You know nothing about it obviously, or you would say the name and the administrators name and how many members there are.
You have again put lots of words in my mouth that I never said. You brag about your lack of education but do you have to keep proving it over and over? If you feel inadequate as compared to others, that's on you. I know exactly what you are trying to do and it won't work.
How have I ever screwed up this thread ? According to you nobody reads what I say or ever pays any attention to it. Are you afraid some people like hearing other points of view and might actually agree with some??I promise you they do. If ya do any more twisting you'll turn into a pretzel
ROFLMAO! So sorry Diane or who ever writes for Diane! Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
I sure hope the majority of people in Elk County believe it's time and vote out
Plutocracy in Elk County Goverment!
I think our local county government is ill and needs healing.
Why do some think people with money need welfare in the form of tax kick backs or welfare called tax rebates?
When there are those living on very tight budgets that have trouble paying their taxes?
Don't you consider that ill? The above is strictly my personal opinion I am sharing with you.
Read http://www.votemicky.org/issues.htm to see what else ails Elk County government.
Do you want Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC to continue to run Elk County Government?
Possibly the "Old Guard" as well?
If not :
Let's change things, let's take our County Government back. Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Just days to decide!
The reason given for the start up of Elk Konnected, LLC by Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks I believe was that Elk Kounty is broken! And the way you do things in this county! Well I totally disagree with her. There is nothing broken about Elk County and the people that live here.
I believe what the problem she was addressing about Elk County Communities, the real and actual that is communities that is, (not he imaginary community) is the fact that the "Old Guard" , didn't have control of those people and families in those communities. She was unhappy about those two communities opting out of her demands to accept County Wide Refuse as their trash haulers. She apparently didn't like the fact that they had their own city government and that her NGO didn't have control of their cities. So, really what was/is broken?
Just read their list, starting at the beginning of this thread, this is listed there:
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Really doesn't this just sound more like a real control freak rather than a true leader? "do away with city gov't, councils"?
So, what is really broken?Elk Konnected, LLC . already had control of our County Covernment by having two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners which gave them the controlling votes of any actions to be approved by the county? And that includes all the money approved for
Elk Konnected, LLC out of the County Recreational Fund. For the benefit of
Elk Konnected, LLC, we were told by their founder Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks that the tax money in the
County Coffers labeled the
County Recreational Fund wasn't the County Taxpayers money, as if nobody, but she and her
NGO had any say about that money. She said it was a different thing! I disagree with her, we the taxpayers, you and me, are the owners of the
County Coffers not
Elk Konnected, LLC .And to see what else is actually
broken in Elk County all you have to do is read this thread, just check out all the failures listed, through out this thread, Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
NGO,
Elk Konnected, LLC . Think about it, is it Elk County or Elk Konnected, LLC that is broken?IS it Elk County or the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau that are
broken ?I happen to think that the various Communities are each quite unique and have well functioning City Councils and citizens and should never have been put down publicly by
Elk Konnected, LLC . and especially by an elected official operating and talking and printing such absolute crap as an NGO and listing her name as Elk County Commissioner. I find that Totally Unacceptable and Unprofessional.
I think, it's time to vote these (loosers)
Elk Konnected, LLC, Konnected Kounty Kommissioners be voted out of office and then they can bad mouth Elk County as previous County Commissioner!
And trust me they will list themselves as jus that on thinks like
Elk Konnected, LLC. They will list themselves as
Previous Elk County Commissioner, that's a fact.
But, I would rather see them bad mouthing Elk County as Previous County Commissioners and their
NGO and possibly the
"Old Guard" no longer controlling County Government!
Two NGO's Public Squares Communities, INC brought the NGO Elk Konnected, LLC to Elk County via one of our County Commissioners and now they have brought yet another NGO to Elk County. These NGO's are connected to other NGO's within the state which are most likely connected to even much larger NGO's across the country! Where does it all stop! It doesn't stop with out you and your vote right here in Elk County on Tuesday, vote out Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. Vote in Mr. Hebb and write in Mr. Wunderlich. Do it for yourself, do it for Elk County.
If you have any doubts that it is the right thing to do, please re-read this thread. Read about the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners failures as
Elk Konnected, LLC ! Read about the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners permitting abuses of County resources by
Elk Konnected, LLCeven read about one the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
aunt calling them on the carpet during a County Commissioners meeting for such an abuse?
What do you say, are we gonna get it done the Elk County way or the
Elk Konnected, LLC and the
Mother of
Elk Konnected, LLCPublic Squares Communities, INC
(out of Leoti, Wichita County, Kansas) way?
Do you want to fix the real problem or ignore it and allow it to fester?
I happen to like Elk County and the beauty found here and the decent people I have met.
So I would rather not watch the festering continue.
There is nothing wrong with Elk County and it's people with the exception of the very few people that say's there is something wrong with Elk County for their own personal gain.
If you live in Elk County
If you can vote in Elk County Tuesday
and
If you disagree,
If you think Elk County and it's people are broke
Please tell me, tell all of us about it?
Do you want them to make loosers out of you?
If not be a winner and vote on Tuesday, take control for yourself!
Elk County is a great place to live. Ross, Elk County is not FESTERING.
Quote from: proelkco on November 04, 2012, 09:41:52 AM
Elk County is a great place to live. Ross, Elk County is not FESTERING.
proelkco, I agree, I love living in Elk County! You and I both agree on something, how about that?
I think if you read the last post and my previous posts you would have determined that on your own.
Don't you agree it is time for Elk County to have new County Commissioners that are more loyal to the County rather than to an NGO?
I don't believe, I said Elk County is festering, I'm sorry you misunderstood that!
I't the festering of all the
NGO's brought on by Public Sq.uares Communities, INC and
Elk Konnected, LLC and bred by Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks.
These
NGO's attempt to control or influence local governments. In Elk County's case IMHO it is control. Although it is not working out well for them. So haw many
NGO's do they have to bring into Elk County for them to get control? Can't you see how that festering is growing?
Aren't you ready for a better Elk County Government?
Do you have a positive attitude for Elk County?
Unless you have a konnected attitude, (
whatever that may be)
here is truely the thing to do
if you want a real positive attitude
for
Elk County Government:Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
Ross, just as a curiousity question:
Has it been proven that Mr. Wunderlich and Mr. Hebb are NOT Konnected members?
You have said so yourself that there are no members.
Just a thought.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 04, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
Ross, just as a curiousity question:
Has it been proven that Mr. Wunderlich and Mr. Hebb are NOT Konnected members?
You have said so yourself that there are no members.
Just a thought.
ready
Well Ready, I have spoke to both and it is my opinion that neither man is Konnected.
It is my personal opinion that neither man likes what that stands for today in local politics.
I do not know of any way of proving that they are or are not Konnected, but as my gut feeling was about the first and the second Konnected Kounty Konversations were, about something wrong with all that krap they were dishing out, my gut says these guys are well meaning and are concerned about the direction Elk County is headed. And besides they never mentioned something as dumb as being Konnected as a good thing.
Besides, I see them as rednecks, everyday folks like Commissioner Ritz, very down to earth and no imaginary communities or imaginary friends.
Rednecks, are determined and get things done, the right way, and honestly IMHO!
I just have no way of determining a way to prove anything, because nobody claims membership.
How shady is that?
Thanks for asking Ready.
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 04, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
Ross, just as a curiousity question:
Has it been proven that Mr. Wunderlich and Mr. Hebb are NOT Konnected members?
You have said so yourself that there are no members.
Just a thought.
ready
Well Ready, I have spoke to both and it is my opinion that neither man is Konnected.
It is my personal opinion that neither man likes what that stands for today in local politics.
Honestly, I do not know of any way pf proving that they are or are not Konnected, but as my gut feeling was about the first and the second Konnected Kounty Konversations were, about something wrong with all that krap they were dishing out, my gut says these guys are well meaning and are concerned about the direction Elk County is headed. And besides they never mentioned something as dumb as being Konnected as a good thing. Besides the followers on this thread don't seem to like the idea of getting them in office.
But better yet, I see them as rednecks, everyday folks like Commissioner Ritz, very down to earth and no imaginary communities or imaginary friends.
Rednecks are determined and get things done, the right way, and honestly IMHO!
I just have no way of determining a way to prove anything, because nobody claims membership.
How shady is that?
Thanks for asking Ready.
Have plans? Cancel them. Can't cancel? Postpone. If you got sick, you'd find some way to reschedule your other stuff, right? And this is way more important than illness. This is the, uh,
THE FUTURE OF ELK COUNTY we're talking about—and it could come down to how many volunteers will help. We need to get the Elk County vote out there for
important positive change for Elk County.
Don't you agree Mr. Proelkco?Can you talk to your friends and neighbors and family about getting out the vote?
Remind them to
write in Micky Wunderlich and
vote for
Mr. Hebb, please?
Thanks, you're the best! This entire election is going to come down to turnout. And the key to that is awesome, amazing, good-looking people just like you calling other people just like you to get out there and
change Elk County Government for a
better future. So give yourself a pat on the back for
volunteering without an
NGO telling you to.
I will even encourage the
Konnected Followers to voluntarily volunteer to get engaged to help get the message out to vote for TH
E FUTURE OF ELK COUNTY and encourage people to write in Mr. Wunderlich and Mr Hebb. Good job Konnected Followers, you rock!
I gotta admit, I plagiarized some of this, but it was just too good to pass up.
Just like
writing i
n Mr. Wunderlich and
voting for
Mr. Hebb is to good to pass up.
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy's own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 04, 2012, 10:53:20 AM
Has it been proven that Mr. Wunderlich and Mr. Hebb are NOT Konnected members?
Well, Ready, consider this abridged information from Wunderlich's website:
Quote from: Micky Wunderlich
It's time for a change!
For almost 2 years, I've been regularly attending commission meetings, talking with employees & the public, and collecting information from county records. After such personal & careful observation of Elk County operations over the last many months, I've observed several areas that need some serious, near term attention. These include, but are not limited to...
A few employees who are paid well in excess of the actual benefit they actually provide to the county
Constant wrangling and agonizing over 'copy cat' programs of questionable local benefit - just because 'everybody is doing it'
The regular micro-management by policy makers over the affairs of full time supervisors, thus affecting both morale & performance
A lack of accountability, quality control, attention to detail & solid management in many areas of county operations
Poor and often inaccurate or incomplete communications - both internally and with the public at large
A lack of transparency about matters that involve huge future expenditures
A willingness to 'borrow & spend' without sound study & reasoning.
A trend of handing out money to special interests at a moments notice without taking time to really consider the handout
The use of county resources by private parties without any reimbursement to the county
The uninformed & innocent endorsement of plans, policies & programs that are thinly disguised extensions of the United Nations Agenda 21
The ongoing search for & reliance on government 'grants' (read other taxpayer's money) to satisfy a 'want bone'
In short, I don't believe you are getting your money's worth in spite of the fact we have one of the highest mill levies in Kansas, and I think it's really less about the money and more about a lack of effective leadership & management.
What we've been doing isn't working. I would like the chance to change that!
Given that Wunderlich is 1) the
ONLY candidate who has publicly demonstrated such a detailed analysis of issues affecting county government and 2) has included several items that are in total opposition to the Elk Konnected way of doing things, I would suggest his relationship to EK (or lack thereof) is crystal clear.
If you lived here, would you be ready... for change?
QuoteIf you lived here, would you be ready... for change?
That was actually quite clever and good! I may learn to like politics yet!
ready...or not
One more thing on the ballot, I think is of importance is the fact that someone wants to cut the West Elk Unified School District 282 from six (six) represented districts down to three (3) represented districts.
They say they only want to do this to be convenient, but
not really convenient for the taxpayer ?
It's politics folks and of course it is only to be convenient,
at the moment, but not for the taxpayer!
They say there would be 2 representatives from each of the three districts!
Six (6) representatives are six (6) representatives right?
So why cut the number of districts only to be convenient for someone or possibly convenient for an NGO?
Let's consider some reasons shall we?
You could have more representation centrally located, right?
Sort of like from page one of this thread, the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Big Ideas. The key word is Centralized! What is Centralized in Elk County?
Another word UNIFIED as related to Government in the last Big Idea in the following list. What would that mean but, ultimate control, CENTRALIZED! Well that is where, I see them taking our school district, if you say yes on your ballot.
Check out the Konnected Idea's below"
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Who on the school board is Elk Konnected along with the School Board President?
And hasn't Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners made it quite clear in the list on page one (1) of this thread they have a strong interest in controlling the West Elk School District?
Well just look at the list:
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Education
Schools - 5 (Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's)
Scholarships - 2 (Idea's)
Sponsor scholarships for trade within county - 1 (Big Idea's)
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's)
Enrich the education - 1 (Big Idea's)
More $ invested for youth in each town -1 (Big Idea's)
It would then be much easier if you permit this, for them to say, we only have three (3) voting districts and therefore only need three district representatives, wouldn't it?
Is it possible then, could all three of those representatives end up being Elk Konnected individuals, centrally located ?
You bet!
So, why change?
Keep the same district lines, keep all six (6) districts for fair and equal representation.
It is not a mandated change by the State School Board and therefore un-necessary.
I know, and it is my opinion, that we have been being hammered by
Elk Konnected, LLC to think positive and to think positive, would be to vote yes.
But folks, I am
positive that the
correct positive action in this case is to vote
NO as a
positive action.If you have ever attended a Elk County Commissioners meeting you have seen the not so positive attitude of the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, not only when they vote no, but in their attitude during the meetings. So, I suggest to you that the
Elk Konnected, LLC positive attitude, is only aimed at the few people that show up at
Elk Konnected, LLC so called Konnected Kommunity Konversations.
And I also wish to inform you that the Konnected Kommunity Konversations are not the brain child of
Elk Konnected, LLC but of Public Squares Communities, INC of
Leoti, Washington County, Kansas. They have a requirement of Public Squares Communities, INC required of
Elk Konnected, LLCto have those meetings to maintain their membership with Pubic Squares Communities, INC . What leadership is there in Elk County? They don't lead, they follow the lead of Public Squares Communities, INC of
Washington County, Kansas.
I ask you, how weak minded is that?
Well, I'll tell you that is not,what I call leadership.
That is simply called following, and that is following
Washington, County. And that county is no better off then our county.Leadership, should be able to stand on their own two feet and I am not talking about taking control of the local government or embarrsassing the local governments to go along with this so called form of leadership. If you buy into it that, you are voluntarily inviting trouble. IMHO! And I bet you get trouble down the road.
Vote NO, on the School item on your ballot, vote
NO to the Konnected School Board President and whoever else might be Konnected on the School Board.
A
NO in this case is a
very big positive attitude for the taxpaying citizens of Elk County, even if those Konnected Followers think otherwise. Because, there is always bigger and stronger political reasons for change then just to make it easier or to male something more convenient .
A Question, who sponsored this action? Don't know do we?
Vo
te NO, a very simple and
positive solution.Vote out Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and
vote NO for the Konnected School Board President.
Vote NO against that type of control of the taxpayers school district,
a very positive thing to do.Also
write in Mickey Wunderlich and Vote for Mr. Hebb.
Be a brave individual, Vote out the Konnected.
I am hoping everyone enjoys voting for an improved Elk County Government.
Let's hope we can all be ready, for the results, and not have to duck, and cover our arse. ( Sorry Jar, for borrowing your lingo)
Permission granted Bull (Like you need it ) but it's OK to say "ass" on the political thread---no shrinking violets here.
"Duck and cover my arse" served me well decades ago but I hope I don't have to resort to that tactic when I roll out of the rack Wed. morning.Let us all pray now---------
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 05, 2012, 08:49:44 AM
Let's hope we can all be ready, for the results, and not have to duck, and cover our arse. ( Sorry Jar, for borrowing your lingo)
Sorry Bullwinkle, I understand your point, but I won't do that!
If the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners
Non Governmental Organization (NGO) retains it's control of our County Government I will not have to duck, and cover my arse, but I will hold steadfast and I may watch the mess even closer.
And your support and other peoples support in that task will be appreciated.
We can be as persistance with the truth, going forward as we have been in the past year and eight months.
I can deal with being called names and the attempts at bullying.I'd much rather prefer the citizens of Elk County can see through all the smoke blown at them and recognize the failures over the last number of years and vote them so called Konnected's out of office.
I hope also that people recognize that
Mr. Wunderlich is the most qualified candidate running against Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau!
And a vote for any other candidate, other then
Mr. Wunderlich is a vote for Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau.
And that is what the
Konnected Followers are counting on to get their candidate re-elected.
Remember write in Mr. Wunderlich and vote for Mr. Hebb!All for a better future for Elk County!
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Compared to what we've read & seen of Wunderlich's assessment of things needing attention in Elk County, the other two District 3 contenders have provided nothing more than sail boat fuel.
Neither have really addressed anything other than to pat themselves on the back... one once worked on a road grader & the other offers a 4 year history of increased taxes, empty promises & backdoor management of the road department.
There is far more to guiding the Elk County government than personal axe grinding with the road boss or blind support of the declared Democrat incumbent. We need people who really study the issues & support common sense, conservative actions by our Board of Commissioners.
Voters in District 1 realized that in 2010. They elected a common sense conservative thinker who has tried to help right the ship. But one of three can only do so much. A vote for the incumbent changes nothing, and a vote for a man who used to work in the road department is simply a vote for the incumbent. Remember, Elk County, you will get the local government you deserve... choose people who have been paying attention while you were busy taking care of family, farm & self.
What will it be? More of the same (big spending & cronyism), a drifting ship (hostile personal agenda, one trick pony), or informed leadership (carefully studied, conservative attention to the need of all residents)? Choose wisely... sail boat fuel is no choice at all.
Quote from: upoladeb on August 05, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
does anyoneknow if there is a buiding and zoning,and if that is who will issue the permits or if we'll have to hire another county worker.Maybe thats a good reason to take our time,get more info,and for the people that will only move here if they get a rebate....fine don't
Quote from: upoladeb on August 05, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
get more info,and for the people that will only move here if they get a rebate....fine don't
Is that the kind of people that you want moving here?
People that want to hold the county
hostage?What kind of
rif-raf is that?
The program is not designed to bring any people to Elk County.
The program is designed for the benefiot of those already living here.
And there are already applications accepted from a few of those people.
Accepted applications for a program that does not exist amazing isn't it.I feel it is designed only for cronies, relatives and friends perhaps of the Konnected few.
If it was designed for newcomers perhaps it would state so, wouldn't it ?No, in my opinion it is a
scam by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
As I said before if people want welfare based on such a scam of a program, I will definitly boycott any businees that is associated with the welfare reciepient, be it friend, relative or neighbor. I will also ask friends and acquaintances' to do the same.
Both are just great economic development plans don't you think?
Very Golden! In my opinion everyone should pay their fir share with out kickbacks/welfare based on what is termed a rebate.
Our school district just lowered their mill levy and the state just raised our property values so our property tax remains the same for the the school district. Have you heard that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have lowered our mill levy? I haven't, so doesn't that effectively raise our property tax to the county?
If they can't afford to give everyone in the county a tax break, it is not fair to give anyone in the county a tax break.
Sweet and simple, isn't it?
We need to give
Elk County Government a real break and vote out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners !
Write in Wunderlich
Quote from: Ross on November 05, 2012, 03:49:14 PM
Is that the kind of people that you want moving here?
People that want to hold the county hostage?
What kind of rif-raf is that?
The program is not designed to bring any people to Elk County.
The program is designed for the benefiot of those already living here.
And there are already applications accepted from a few of those people.
Accepted applications for a program that does not exist amazing isn't it.
I feel it is designed only for cronies, relatives and friends perhaps of the Konnected few.
If it was designed for newcomers perhaps it would state so, wouldn't it ?
No, in my opinion it is a scam by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
As I said before if people want welfare based on such a scam of a program, I will definitly boycott any businees that is associated with the welfare reciepient, be it friend, relative or neighbor. I will also ask friends and acquaintances' to do the same.
Both are just great economic development plans don't you think?
Very Golden!
In my opinion everyone should pay their fir share with out kickbacks/welfare based on what is termed a rebate.
Our school district just lowered their mill levy and the state just raised our property values so our property tax remains the same for the the school district. Have you heard that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have lowered our mill levy? I haven't, so doesn't that effectively raise our property tax to the county?
If they can't afford to give everyone in the county a tax break, it is not fair to give anyone in the county a tax break.
Sweet and simple, isn't it?
We need to give Elk County Government a real break and vote out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners !
Write in Wunderlich
Ross, I don't follow this post that starts off incoherently for me. You quote upoladeb, you then quote a smaller section of the same quote be for you say anything. Then you say "Is that the kind of people that you want moving here?
People that want to hold the county hostage?
What kind of rif-raf is that?"
I have no idea what your point is it is very disjointed. We may both be unedumacated rednecks, but you are smart enough to do a short rewrite of that post. I really want to understand what your poiint was in that post.
FE
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 05, 2012, 05:58:47 PM
Ross, I don't follow this post that starts off incoherently for me. You quote upoladeb, you then quote a smaller section of the same quote be for you say anything. Then you say "Is that the kind of people that you want moving here?
People that want to hold the county hostage?
What kind of rif-raf is that?"
I have no idea what your point is it is very disjointed. We may both be unedumacated rednecks, but you are smart enough to do a short rewrite of that post. I really want to understand what your poiint was in that post.
FE
Ha, ha, ho, ho that's a good one. Thanks for the chuckle.
Oh, that's okay! I think it is clear enough for most people and to change what I said would only lack the meaning that is very clear.
I'm sorry, I can't re-write it.
I hope this post is coherent enough for you Fire Elk, have a goood evening.
Hm, I wonder what kind of people Ross would like to see come there. Deep pockets?
I'd hardly call people who take advantage of tax benefits and business stimulus packages rif - raf. If that's the case he must hate Mitt. That's how he got lots of his money and that's how he keeps control over it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 05, 2012, 07:35:09 PM
Hm, I wonder what kind of people Ross would like to see come there. Deep pockets?
I'd hardly call people who take advantage of tax benefits and business stimulus packages rif - raf. If that's the case he must hate Mitt. That's how he got lots of his money and that's how he keeps control over it.
You apparently did not read my post Diane,
Either that you did not comprehend what I said!
Here try again!
Quote from: upoladeb on August 05, 2012, 01:55:07 PM
people that will only move here if they get a rebate
Quote from: Ross on November 05, 2012, 03:49:14 PM
Is that the kind of people that you want moving here?
People that want to hold the county hostage?
What kind of rif-raf is that?
The program is not designed to bring any people to Elk County.
The program is designed for the benefit of those already living here.
And there are already applications accepted from a few of those people.
Accepted applications for a program that does not exist amazing isn't it.
I feel it is designed only for cronies, relatives and friends perhaps of the Konnected few.
If it was designed for newcomers perhaps it would state so, wouldn't it ?
No, in my opinion it is a scam by the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
As I said before if people want welfare based on such a scam of a program, I will definitly boycott any businees that is associated with the welfare reciepient, be it friend, relative or neighbor. I will also ask friends and acquaintances' to do the same.
Both are just great economic development plans don't you think?
Very Golden!
In my opinion everyone should pay their fair share with out kickbacks/welfare based on what is termed a rebate.
Our school district just lowered their mill levy and the state just raised our property values so our property tax remains the same for the the school district. Have you heard that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have lowered our mill levy? I haven't, so doesn't that effectively raise our property tax to the county?
If they can't afford to give everyone in the county a tax break, it is not fair to give anyone in the county a tax break.
Sweet and simple, isn't it?
We need to give Elk County Government a real break and vote out the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners !
Write in Wunderlich
Did you read that with any amount of this for comprehension, Diane!
What do you have in Delaware going on that you don't comprehend, maybe we people in Elk County, Kansas can help you with your problems.
Or perhaps
Elk Konnected, LLC can fly a couple of their volunteers up there to help you figure it out! How would that be? Hell, maybe
Elk Konnected, LLC coould move up there, wouldn't that be nice for you and Elk County?
That's the last nice offer I can make for you Diane, sorry!
Whew,what a smart mouth!
There are people who would disagree with you that the programs are just for those who are already there.
They would hardly be holding Elk County hostage. A little dramatic don't ya think? Secondly, you contradicted yourself by asking if that is the kind of people you want moving there. I know what you said...what did you MEAN to say? The programs are for those who are already there, or are to entice new people to come, or both.
Once again I say, if you have proof of a scam, or illegal activity, then it should be handled legally.
In some cases it could just be good economics. Please define your version of Rif -raf. Is everybody a crook but you and Pat? >:(
Again you contradicted yourself. Recently you said you were a supporter of all things Elk County because it's a great place to live and very pretty..not a quote. Now you are back ,for the second time, threatening to boycott certain businesses and will influence people to do the same. Doesn't sound very supportive to me, sounds more like a direct threat!. Please define your version of Rif-raf.
Do you know anything about how bank loans and mortgages are made? There are many facets and considerations that can influence the finally debt amount and the % to be paid on the loan...''welfare" or just good business? Hold backs ,points, interest vs principle, payments per month, early repayments etc. All can affect the outcome.
By the way, any of you would be welcome here. You might indeed have some good ideas. New, fresh thought is always encouraged here....Oops, does that make Newark progressive? EEEEK!
I'll introduce you to the the mayor and city council, the police chief, the fire chief and the local bank president,among others, myself.
Quote from: Ross on November 05, 2012, 06:40:01 PM
Ha, ha, ho, ho that's a good one. Thanks for the chuckle.
Oh, that's okay! I think it is clear enough for most people and to change what I said would only lack the meaning that is very clear.
I'm sorry, I can't re-write it.
I hope this post is coherent enough for you Fire Elk, have a goood evening.
Ross, were you drinking when you wrote that? The meaning is not clear. Take a look for yourself. Re read it for yourself. As best as I can see the Coca Cola you were drinking got to your head in the heat and made you make a dizzy comment. Vote Hebb and keep Micky Wunderlich out of office.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 05, 2012, 11:37:27 PM
Ross, were you drinking when you wrote that? The meaning is not clear. Take a look for yourself. Re read it for yourself. As best as I can see the Coca Cola you were drinking got to your head in the heat and made you make a dizzy comment. Vote Hebb and keep Micky Wunderlich out of office.
Is that the best you can do?Why keep Micky Wunderlich out of office? You give no single reason for such a statement, why? He is more qualified to represent my district then the other two candidates. He knows more about what is happening at the court house than the encumbent and the other write in. He has attended County commissioner meetings for the last year and a half plus and he has studied the financial ins and out of the county financial situation. And he is not Konnected. Did you take the time to read his web site?
It makes a whole lot more sense then Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
Elk Konnected, LLC IMHO! Where does that leave us.
Perhaps this will help:In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
Write in Wunderlich and vote for Hebb
Write-in Mr. Wunderlich
And vote for Mr. Hebb
A Great Improvement, Great POSITIVE change For Elk County
Actually an Amazing Improvement For Elk County
As Larry the Cable Guy own catchphrase says "Git-R-Done!"
I hope everyone got the chance to vote today!
Elk County Unofficial Election Results
http://www.elkcounty.org/election-results.htm
It looks like my district, district 3 wants to keep Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in office.
CountyCommissioner 3rd District
K.R. (Ken) Liebau – 211
Micky Wunderlich – 45
Randy Julian - 44
But what is happening in District 2
County Commissioner 2nd District
Elizabeth M. Hendricks –
Gary D. Hebb –
Maybe there is still hope for Elk County?
It must be a close count in District 2 or having trouble counting the votes or something.
So I am gonna wait until morning for those results.
I have had a very long day, very long and I am very tired.
So off to bed I go.
Good night folks.
Finally?
CountyCommissioner 2nd District
Elizabeth M. Hendricks – 183
Gary D. Hebb – 270
Good job Howard?
Congratulations Mr. Hebb
amd Mr. Liebau!
We are counting on you Mr. Hebb!
Now what is going to happen? Could be very interesting, don't you think?
Are the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners gonna rush and try to get their proposed " Neighborhood Revitalization Program" in place before one of them lose their controlling vote. After all. they have been setting on their hands with that proposal haven't they? No,w would be the time to move quickly right? Especially when everyone is getting busy for the holidays, right?
You know the proposed program offering welfare known as rebates to people that don't need
welfare ?
With one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners not being relected that means after the first of the year they won't have the two controlling votes any longer will they?
Since Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks will be relieved of her duties as County Commissioner, will loyalties of some other people shift back to Elk County?
After the first of the year will Elk Konnected, LLCstill have access to the County Recreational fund?
After the first of the year will Elk Konnected, LLC still be able to take credit for the work our County Youth Development Employee does for the citizens and taxpayers of Elk County?
I don't think so, at least I hope not.
What other things may possibly change?
Perhaps no more attempts at commandeering county resources. or attempting to bill the county for milage for Elk Konnected, LLC !
Don't you think the rest of 2012 will be interesting to watch and that 2013 will be interesting to see what positive changes may come about?
I think it may be very interesting!
does anyone know , since the date on the public notices for the revitalization program is wrong will the date be extended?.It is suppose to be posted for 2 weeks.
Quote from: upoladeb on November 07, 2012, 06:26:01 AM
does anyone know , since the date on the public notices for the revitalization program is wrong will the date be extended?.It is suppose to be posted for 2 weeks.
There must be 2 published notices of the public hearing. That mess the paper should not qualify as a proper legal notice. My contact in Topeka suggested that the notice be considered invalid and another, proper first notice be published.
I'd like to suggest they put the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that provides WELFARE, property tax kickbacks called rebates for a few chosen people on hold until after the first of the year. Yea, put it on hold! Unless that is the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners are afraid they won't have the controlling votes to get it passed. Besides, the Great State of Kansas strongly recommends not using this program in rural areas. Are those highly respected and highly educate people that designed the program to be ignored because they are stupid or something?
And I would suggest they consider a tax break for all property owners, how about that?
The state raised the value of our properties, effectively giving us and the county government and school district a tax increase. The school district apparently recognized this action and reduced it's tax mill levy. This effectively leaves our property tax at the same level without increasing the amount of money we have to pay the school district.
Have the Konnected Kounty Kommisssioners considered doing the same thing?
Or is our property tax dollar amount going to increase?
If the County Government would follow suit and do the same thing the school district did, then our mill levy would decrease and everyone would benefit not just a few.
And from the talk of the Konnected Followers about someone (I'd bet they know who that someone is) wanting to move to Elk County but only if they get a tax kick back, rebate or welfare as I call it, they would get the same break as the rest of us and would then not have to hold Elk County hostage of sorts. If this would not serve that persons purpose, who needs that one person?
A lower mill levy for Elk County would also look much better to anyone else that might consider moving here, right?
Pretty sure that there is more than one school district in the county. West Elk lowered their mill levy, but what about Elk Valley?
Quote from: daisy on November 08, 2012, 10:13:42 AM
Pretty sure that there is more than one school district in the county. West Elk lowered their mill levy, but what about Elk Valley?
If I'm not mistaken, they raised the levy in that district... so those taxpayers are gonna take (another) a hit. And don't be fooled... it's NOT 'all about the kids'. The question is, when are taxpayers going to say enough is enough? Or are they just going to sit idle until the big government spenders drain the taxpayer's bank account. Washington & Topeka aren't the only havens for big spenders. Having been a bureaucrat, I assure you the bureaucrat often sees no limit to the money pit.
Quote from: daisy on November 08, 2012, 10:13:42 AM
Pretty sure that there is more than one school district in the county. West Elk lowered their mill levy, but what about Elk Valley?
The towns could do the same thing I suppose, and wouldn't it be nice if all taxing entities follow suit?
But, I believe the larger percentage of property tax is County property tax. I just don't happen to have the figures handy right now.
But the point was, will the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners do it?
Will the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners continue down the path of County
WELFARE for a few using a [program that the
Great State of Kansas strongly recommends not using in rural areas?
Are those
highly respected and
highly educate people that designed the program to be
ignored because they
are stupid or something?
I hope not!
I think our county would appear better to more people that might be looking to move here, if that is truely what this is all about.
I have been very busy this week and haven't taken tme to read the paper.
I did just read about the Communities and Counties Konnected Konversation in the newspaper, which amounted to nothing more than just a mention of the meeting.
It said that some 50 residents attended, but gave no details of any accomplishments at the meeting.
I think that is because there were no accomplishments, none, zip!
Yet another failure, in my opinion.
That is why, I refered to it in a previous post as a training meeting for new people wanting to start their own NGO.
And the paper says Public Squares Communities, INC is set to do it again in Emporia.
How many times will they keep doing nothing.
They said in the paper, When the individual broke up into their individual groups.
Say what?
I and five people walked in to the meeting and simply set down, all at the same table and there was no breaking up into groups that I saw?
What I did see, was some Konnected facilitators move to tables that didn't have a faciilitator, nothing more, IMHO.
Except no Konnected Facilitator sat at the table iI was sitting at because all the seats were full and no one was moving.
There were probably 15 or 20 people that were involved in putting the meeting on, from what I observed.
So that would leave only 30 to 35 that were not involved in running the meeting.
I do know there were two men from Sedan and one man from Butler County, there was no real representation of any county that aamounted to anything. Even for Elk County there was less then 1% representation which is nothing and way, way less for the other counties. I don't know for sure but I don't believe the fourth county was represented at all. But ya gotta make it sound good in the newspaper propaganda don;t you?
Some of those people involved were sitting at each of the nine tables as facilitators, IMHO!
As I said, the only person that said anything of sense was Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau's aunt, when she said, "It is the rugged Individualism that keeps Elk County going!"
Let's give that lady a round of applause, what a great statement!
CIA Director Gen. Petraeus resigns, citing extra-marital affair! another highly respected individual bites the dust!
For those that believe in Highly Respected!
Quote from: Ross on November 09, 2012, 02:26:03 PM
It said that some 50 residents attended, but gave no details of any accomplishments at the meeting.
I think that is because there were no accomplishments, none, zip!
Yet another failure, in my opinion.
I'm not so sure, Ross. We got to see Kommissioner Liebau valiantly & boldly attempt to shut down several people at one table using classic Delphi/Alinsky methods. Good training & practice for him, I'm sure. We also learned from Liebau that
youth create jobs. I never knew that. I thought it was employers, business owners & market needs that created jobs. So I learned something new.
And, the report that's created out of this Konversation will surely be enough for the presenters to justify their share of the enormous, multimillion dollar, taxpayer funded HUD grant that's funding this 'movement'.
But you're right about one thing... turnout was pathetic and hardly representative of the masses.
I stand corrected, Patriot!
After all I wasn't sitting at your table.
It's sounding to me like you all have a socialist over there on the Grenola side of the County.
If so, that's not good.
Well, Red it is my opinion if the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners wanted
real population growth,
real economic growth,
rather than just welfare called a tax break for a few,
the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" would be tossed out.
After all it as has been stated several times the Great State of Kansas has STRONGLY suggested that this proposed, "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" not be used in rural area. Just what do the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners know that the Kansas State Officials don't know?
Oh, I suppose they might know that their friends, cronies, relatives and perhaps even they, themselves may benefit from such a program.
Perhaps, they know if they don't push this thing now, that it won't get approved next year when Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks Elk Konnected, LLC will no longer have the Kontroling votes on the Elk County Board of Commissioners, what do you think? Is that a great Econimic Development Plan? Yes, the average tax paying citizen does count, yes they will probably be heard at the hearing and if not there later. perhaps loud and clear.
I already know some people that won't shop in Elk County for personal reasons, give that some thought! Do you really want real ghost towns? Personally, I'd rather keep my money in Elk County rather than support another counties economic or sales tax base. But come what may?
Do you call that leadership?
I don't!
Perhaps if they realize that because they want to allow welfare also known as a property tax rebate that perhaps, people other than myself might considering it a form of boycotting paying their fair share of property taxes through this loop hole, maybe they to will boycott any business (who have friends, relatives, etc.) associated with accepting this form of welfare.
I think the Konnected Followers went into hiding as far as this thread, just before the election for good cause as well as doing what followers do best, follow orders. They are even remaining in hiding after the election, low profile, most likely because of this thread in regards to proposed, "Neighborhood Revitalization Program". I don't believe they want to discuss this program because, because lot of information came out that they don't want out. Does Elk County need that kind of an NGO that claims leadership? Just my personal opinion and questions.
I'd like to know who authored or who brought this ridiculous idea to the County Commissioners? (See more ridiculous ideas on page one of this thread.) The reason I ask, is because there is no economics in it for Elk County as a whole, only to a very few people, some that have applied as applicants and have apparently been accepted by Elk County Government for a program that does not exist. There is absolutely nothing acceptable or honorable of these types of actions by our local government, just the opposite in my opinion.
Socialism is alive and well in Elk County. Have you heard of the fiscal cliff, it's in the news everyday? Socialism is a big factor in that, isn't it? Is Austerity in the US of A possible because of Socialism? I think so, if not soon, later! Can it happen in Elk County, financial problems due to socialism, very possible in my opinion! Just keep letting property taxes increase while giving property tax breaks to a few, that should do it, don't you think?
I'm just an uneducated redneck that can see through the smoke screen, can anyone else?
Perhaps 2013 may bring honorable conditions back to Elk County Government. I hope so, don't you?
Can anyone show me something different, I'd really like to see it!
I found this interesting, it appears that the
Followers are over on another thread, apparently avoiding this thread.
But still up to the same old stuff, check it out:
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Oh, lest I forget to include our local elk county forum. Voted to keep the status quo. What about the county commissioners? Yes, even that was a status quo vote. Thanks, for those of you that voted for Gary Hebb. His family has a long caring history of doing what is right in EK. Thank goodness no one listened to Ross the outsider.
FE
Isn't that name calling by you, "Ross the outsider", my, my!
Now what does all that other stuff mean?
Does it mean, that I never supported Mr. Hebb on this thread?
Look again, please.
By status quo, does that mean you are telling us that Mr. Hebb is
Elk Konnected?What outsider, I live right here in
Elk County and I pay taxes to the county?
Also I am a born and raised
Kansas citizen. I served in the military for ten years as a
Kansas citizen, as a
Vietnam Veteran!Is calling a person an
"Outsider" conducive to
Population Growth?Is it that they don't want population growth?Oh, perhaps you mean, I'm not related to certain families in EK, what?
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
No the shot at Ross is well deserved, he earned it all on his own for all his name calling.
What name calling?
Oh. Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, well who came up with using the K as in Konnected?
Who came up with the name Followers?
I can't appologize for the name generated by EK, now can I?
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
In the end I was right and so was my understanding of EK politics.
So it is Elk Konnected politics instead of
Elk County politics, is that it?
As I understand what you are saying then is
Elk County is Elk Konnected Kounty right?
Is that what you are implying about Mr. Hebb as well?
I sure am hoping you are wrong.
But, You sure are clearing up a bunch of stuff, me thinks!
Thank you!
You know it strikes me that certain elements in Elk County have major attitued problems with what they refer to as outsiders!
Newbies that movie here to Elk County is who those outsiders are, and there are a lot of them!
I think Elk County should embrace these newbies, these outsiders because they represent population growth!
I suggest you simply get over the bad attitude because you can not reproduce fast enough and you can not keep your children from growing up and facing the world and looking for good paying jobs with good benefits.
There a lot worse things that can happen to Elk County then newbies moving to Elk County! For instance, the communities becoming real ghost towns.
The attitude for stagnant growth, I sense and it is only my opinion comes from "The old Guard" and Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners! And you know what, I don't even have any visionaries, but I think I do speak here in the written language pretty clearly, none of that stuff of "Quality of Life", stuff that has no backbone to it, no meaning, no plan. What is with that?
Also, I don't hide behind a phony name or call myself Konnected especially, since, there is nothing to be connected with. That is just as phony as one can get, IMHO! All of it so phony and no backbone, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you, but the so called Followers can't even explain anything, so there is your proof!
When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC loses control of the County Commissioners Board, I believe at that time the County Commissioners can then reverse anything passed between now and January!
What is wrong with doing some real and actual Economic Development, you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hired an Educated Economic Development Employee didn't you? Even I, who have no education in the fiield knows there is no real Economic Development going on in Elk County. It isn't that difficult to see.
If I'm wrong, show me some real economic development that is happening, please?
Or please, quit spending my tax dollars on a worthless job position?
Don't feed me that old line that Economic Development is difficult to understand or explain, that stuff just won't fly any longer.
You know it strikes me that certain elements in Elk County have major attitued problems with what they refer to as outsiders!
Newbies that movie here to Elk County is who those outsiders are, and there are a lot of them!
I think Elk County should embrace these newbies, these outsiders because they represent population growth!
I suggest you simply get over the bad attitude because you can not reproduce fast enough and you can not keep your children from growing up and facing the world and looking for good paying jobs with good benefits.
There a lot worse things that can happen to Elk County then newbies moving to Elk County! For instance, the communities becoming real ghost towns.
The attitude for stagnant growth, I sense and it is only my opinion comes from "The old Guard" and Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners! And you know what, I don't even have any visionaries, but I do speak here in the written language pretty clearly, none of that stuff of "Quality of Life" stuff with no backbone to it, no meaning, no plan. What is with that?
Also, I don't do no hiding behind a phony name or call myself Konnected especially, since there is nothing to be connected with. That is just as phony as one can get, IMHO! All of it so phony and no backbone, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tellir you, but the so called Followers can't even explain anything, so there is your proof!
Konnected Kopunty Kommissioner Hendricks, Elk Konnected, LLC loses control of the County Commissioners Board. At that time I believe the County Commissioners can then reverse anything passed between now and January!
What is wrong with doing some real and actual Economic Development, you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hired an Educated Economic Development Employee didn't you? Even I who have no education in the fiield know there is no real Economic Development going on in Elk County. It isn't that difficult to see.
If I'm wrong, show me some real economic development that is happening, please?
Or please, quit spending my tax dollars on the job position?
Don't feed me that old line that Economic development is but that is okaydifficult to understand or explain, that won't fly.
Because that is just more foolishness as portrayed on page one of this thread.
I don't expect any truthful responses, I don't expect any responses, but that is okay.
I don't believe the entities involved have any real answers.
Nope, I won't touch it, even though it's funny. I said I'd be good and it's hard, but I will do it. Self control. He won't understand. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ross, just a few things to clarify for you. I don't speak for Elk Konnected, just for me. EK is the county code for Elk County Kansas which is how I was using it in the post. It can be found on your vehicle registration sticker on your license plate. I only refer to you as an outsider and that is your own doing. Since you are an outsider; I will tell you that the county code was 68 before it was EK, but that has been out of use for a long time. No I was not suggesting that Mr. Hebb has anything to do with Elk Konnected, that is just you taking a wild jumping conclusion. I hope I clarified some of your questions for you.
FE
QuoteYou know it strikes me that certain elements in Elk County have major attitued problems with what they refer to as outsiders!
Newbies that movie here to Elk County is who those outsiders are, and there are a lot of them! .......How can you trust someone so judgemental and is so knowledgeable of ever facet of the internet? I gotta admit, I plagiarized some of this, but it was just too good to pass up.
Sorry Ross, just had to do it as I am redneck sob-ette from hell!
This was taken admittedly out of context just to show how the melodrama mamma's do it.
Now, that being said....do you have anything new to add to the table, or do you wish to bring up things from 7 years ago like Hendrick's auntie and the original mysterious plots of Public Squares and their pompous patting on the backs?
I don't think so, you will copy and paste and reiterate what hs been so pontifically said over the past 489 pages, ad nauseum.
The people have voted, now let's get on with the present and let these people do their job!
^sarcasm is now off, carry on, my wayword son.^
ready, and out to actually discuss (yes, you referrd to my thread, of which I thought was an actual learning process, untill you referred to it here.....not cool)
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 11, 2012, 06:21:10 PM
Ross, just a few things to clarify for you. I don't speak for Elk Konnected, just for me. EK is the county code for Elk County Kansas which is how I was using it in the post. It can be found on your vehicle registration sticker on your license plate. I only refer to you as an outsider and that is your own doing. Since you are an outsider; I will tell you that the county code was 68 before it was EK, but that has been out of use for a long time. No I was not suggesting that Mr. Hebb has anything to do with Elk Konnected, that is just you taking a wild jumping conclusion. I hope I clarified some of your questions for you.
FE
On this thread
EK has been used by the Followers to mean Elk Konnected so it is helpful that you clarify yourself.
Just shorthand. Nothing mysterious about it, no 68, 77, no 100, this is today now, not yesteryear. This is not a long time ago and therefore not relevant today, IMHO?
What is your definition of an outsider? You never clarified yourself on that one?
If I am an outsider why do you want my tax dollars? Please explain!
If I am an outsider why shouldI I support the local business?
Where exactly are you coming from?
If you are so against outsiders how do you hope to have population growth or economic growth?
If you are so against outsiders in Elk County, why have the rules of Public Squares Communities, INC of Leoti, Kansas and of Kansas City been so graciously accepted and followed?
Why was the man from Leoti, Kansas with his organization, so welcome with his methods of operating?
I was not taking a wild jumping conclusion, I was aksing you a very simple question? So sorry you misunderstood.
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 11, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
Sorry Ross, just had to do it as I am redneck sob-ette from hell!
This was taken admittedly out of context just to show how the melodrama mamma's do it.
Now, that being said....do you have anything new to add to the table, or do you wish to bring up things from 7 years ago like Hendrick's auntie and the original mysterious plots of Public Squares and their pompous patting on the backs?
I don't think so, you will copy and paste and reiterate what hs been so pontifically said over the past 489 pages, ad nauseum.
The people have voted, now let's get on with the present and let these people do their job!
^sarcasm is now off, carry on, my wayword son.^
ready, and out to actually discuss (yes, you referrd to my thread, of which I thought was an actual learning process, untill you referred to it here.....not cool)
Sure, I may keep repeating in order to keep it fresh in the minds of the people, I don't know? But no one is forced to read it.
I did not mean to offend you with bring the insults of me over here, not at all my intention. But, I did not want to offend you by responding to the insults on your thread either. However, I did enjoy your post and was simply trying to avoid offending you.
I did not want to turn your thread into something about me.
Truely, Sorry about that Ready I did not intend to offend you !
Not offended Ross. Just a clarification. Your thread started me thinking, and thinking, and thinking.
We agree to dissagree to use big fonts and rolling screens?
LOLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 11, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
The people have voted, now let's get on with the present and let these people do their job!
Oh, ready... you've said more than you know. Yes, the folks have voted. Yes, we'll be getting on with the present. And as 'these people' do their job, I imagine there may be some surprises along the way. But I wouldn't expect the commentary to cease. It hasn't ceased since the freedom of speech was codified in the Constitution, and I doubt it will cease now. While some appear to believe that we live in a kingdom where ancestral blood bequeaths an eternal entitlement to wisdom and the power to maintain a status quo, they may be surprised to find that is not the case. Heck, even the remaining royalty in England has lost most of its real power.
Never forget the 'flux factor'. Just be ready, ready.... for anything.
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 11, 2012, 07:41:02 PM
Not offended Ross. Just a clarification. Your thread started me thinking, and thinking, and thinking.
We agree to dissagree to use big fonts and rolling screens?
LOLLLLLLOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLL
I kove it Ready! LOL
I have another female friend, that face to face we agree to disagree. And we use to often have a friendly argument.
How I miss them arguments, but once in awhile they still happen. It really is fun, done properly.
I'm a hard headed of old fart of a redneck!
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 11, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
Sorry Ross, just had to do it as I am redneck sob-ette from hell!
This was taken admittedly out of context just to show how the melodrama mamma's do it.
Now, that being said....do you have anything new to add to the table, or do you wish to bring up things from 7 years ago like Hendrick's auntie and the original mysterious plots of Public Squares and their pompous patting on the backs?
I don't think so, you will copy and paste and reiterate what hs been so pontifically said over the past 489 pages, ad nauseum.
The people have voted, now let's get on with the present and let these people do their job!
^sarcasm is now off, carry on, my wayword son.^
ready, and out to actually discuss (yes, you referrd to my thread, of which I thought was an actual learning process, untill you referred to it here.....not cool)
Ready, I believe Ross that he moved my post here to not offend you on your thread. Ross I have modified my response on Ready's here it is.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Oh, lest I forget to include our local elk county forum. Voted to keep the status quo. What about the county commissioners? Yes, even that was a status quo vote. Thanks, for those of you that voted for Gary Hebb. His family has a long caring history of doing what is right in EK. [Removed a sentence taking a shot at Ross 11/11/12-- Fire Elk ]
FE
Ross, now would you go back and answer ready's post about where she fits in? Help wrap her up and put her in a box.
Good Morning Everyone,
Just a little review and some remarks regarding the review.
It's about attitude!
Yes, I know, I have attitude too!
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Oh, lest I forget to include our local elk county forum. Voted to keep the status quo. What about the county commissioners? Yes, even that was a status quo vote. Thanks, for those of you that voted for Gary Hebb. His family has a long caring history of doing what is right in EK. [Removed a sentence taking a shot at Ross 11/11/12-- Fire Elk ]
FE
That is not an acceptable apology, if that is what you were attempting. I'm not sure what your intentions were in removing:
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Thank goodness no one listened to Ross the outsider.
Here is the original quote,
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 07:21:27 PM
Oh, lest I forget to include our local elk county forum. Voted to keep the status quo. What about the county commissioners? Yes, even that was a status quo vote. Thanks, for those of you that voted for Gary Hebb. His family has a long caring history of doing what is right in EK. Thank goodness no one listened to Ross the outsider.
FE
That was followed up with:
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 10, 2012, 08:04:18 PM
No the shot at Ross is well deserved, he earned it all on his own for all his name calling. I felt no need to justify my support of Mr. Hebb or my opposition to Mickey Wunderlich. In the end I was right and so was my understanding of EK politics.
The above remark only strengthened your view point, attitude.
And that was followed up by:
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 10, 2012, 08:42:49 PM
Fire elk, you are right on. I like your style and thinking.
Which results in this review, my remarks and attitude.
It definitely appears that your words and thinking is accepted by others about "Outsiders". How can all this be deleted, the attitude that is?
That simply supports my opinion that the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" is designed to provide welfare called tax rebates only to,
Perhaps
Friends,
Family,
Cronies,
Etc of
the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
It's the attitude I'm looking at!
It is the wrong attitude for Population Growth, it's the wrong attitude for Economic Growth now isn't it?
Perhaps this attitude about "Outsiders" is the reason there is no "Welcome Wagon" in Elk County! Ya'all don't like "Outsiders", perhaps just their money in your stores and in your county tax coffers, is that it?
Do you think you can have population growth by conception only?
You can't keep your kids at home, why?
I doubt the attempts to bribe them with scholarships will work either!
Because there are no well paying jobs, that's why!
Wouldn't it behoove the county to think about Economic Development with everyone in the county benefiting from it instead of a few wanting welfare, at the expense of all the other taxpaying citizens?
Where are all those visionaries when you need them?
And about your remark about Ready's thread. That is up to Ready, that's her business.
I believe Ready understands that I like her and that I respect her. I believe she even understands I agree with much of what she has to say. And that is why I brought your remarks over here to this thread, out of respect and so as not to offend her.
Well said Ross...
Just because there is disagreement in here on threads doesn't mean that those 2 people don't talk off line and aren't respected acquaintances or friends..More times than not, they are both.
And I think that before anyone calls anyone in here and "outsider" ~~~ they might want to step out their back door and see what state they are posting from..
Quote from: Teresa on November 13, 2012, 10:35:03 PM
Well said Ross...
And I think that before anyone calls anyone in here and "outsider" ~~~ they might want to step out their back door and see what state they are posting from..
State? As in A State of the Union or as in a state of confusion? ROTFLMAO
So we have heard the following terms used on this thread
Aren't all those people who are involved in the General Petraeus Scandal all highly respected members of their communities? Some are consider socialites, socialites that have been proven to be financially in trouble.
Aren't all those people highly educated, pillars of their respective communities?
So exactly what does all that talk of education, respectability and pillar ship mean?
Does it mean they are infallible, invincible?
Does it mean they can not be wrong?
I have three Honorable discharges from military service!
Does that mean I am honorable in everything I do?
Hell, no it doesn't!
Does it mean I can't make errors?
Again, Hell no! I'm just a redneck old fart very capable of making mistakes, IMHO!
So what's the point of the words highly educated, respectable pillars the community?
Is it for the purpose of intimidation?
That is the only purpose I can find !
Sure I have people, I like and respect, but I would never put them on a pillar or a throne !
They are people, not gods, pretty simple, huh?
We have leadership in this county, in our county government, so why do we need an NGO with what they call leadership?
Our leadership did fall into what I consider a terrible situation under the development of Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendrick's starting Elk Konnected, LLC which has two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners holding the two controlling votes on the Elk County Board of Commissioners. This provides the appearance that Elk Konnected, LLC has control of the county. This in my personal opinion is not good.
That also leaves me to believe some of what Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendrick's said about the "Old Guard" and that is that she tried to identify who the people of the "Old Guard" were/are. But it is my opinion that she made the "Old Guard" members of Elk Konnected, LLC rather then avoiding letting them in to Elk Konnected, LLC.
And I strongly believe that is why the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have proposed the " Neighborhood Revitalization Program" rather then listen to the Great State of Kansas STRONGLY suggesting not using the program in a rural area. Why do they ignore this warning? Perhaps because of their desire to provide WELFARE/tax kick backs in the form of what they call tax rebates.
Where is the wisdom in that?
Where is the real leadership of real County Commissioners in that?
I believe:
A true leader would listen to their constituents rather then put them down?
A true leader would reconsider this action rather then push it during the holidays?
A true leader would let this issue fade into next year when the newly elected county commissioner takes office?
In my opinion this type of action might alleviate the appearance that Elk Konnected, LLC is controlling our county government, other wise they will push this proposal through in fear that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner will loose the controlling votes of our county government. In which case there will be no doubt left.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, I wish to convey to you my opinion of volunteering.
Volunteering is not donating money; donating money is simply donating money!
Volunteering in most cases is getting out there and doing something physical and not leaving it up to someone else.
Volunteering is manning the food line, painting the park, sweeping the floor, making phone calls for charity, etc, it is not about leaving it up to someone else.
Volunteering does not require belonging to some organization that tells you what to do.
Volunteering can be a very personal one on one type of thing.
As I stated on this thread, if I receive nasty or ugly Private Messages, I would post them openly. Well being good to my word, I find this Private Message to fit that description.
I find it to be an attempt at intimidation. A heads up this is a very long post, thanks for indulging me. I broke the Private message down and attempted the best responses I could in the shortest way, I know how.
I have recieved 482 private messages all very decent except for this one.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 15, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Ross, the USS Ohio is a noteworthy ship in the fleet. Working at the Naval Shipyard in Washington you would know if you had worked on it.
I was warned about you but, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. So onward we go!
You sir may be a military historian, however I am not.
Perhaps the USS Ohio is especially noteworthy to you, because your brother was stationed on it. I remember the Ohio, I don't remember if I worked on it. In ten years I worked on numerous ships, including top secret boats. I can't and I wouldn't give you a complete history on my employment if I could, sorry about that, not. Why didn't you serve in the military?
I had a brother on another Naval Ship that durn near had a mutiny on board. During the stopping and searching of a Vietnamese boat a sailor in the crows nest had his rifle aimed at the back of his Commanding Officers head. There was a book written about that ship, but, I don't remember the name of that ship or what year it happened.
I saw the USS Forrestal fire burning from a long distance.
A friend of mine was sitting in the first class mess of the Coral Sea when a missile was accidentally launched and penetrated the bulk head to the mess he was eating in. Do I remember the dates these things happened, no I do not, and does that mean they didn't happen, no!
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 15, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
I didn't take you for someone that would lie about your service or not be able to remember.
Keep that in mind, because I am not one to lie, and you can take that to the bank and deposit it. But, I do not deny being forgetful about ten years of working on Numerous ships, Especially when I had far more important events to tend to which were my wifes health and her three near deaths. Which, I only have God to thank for, the fact that I still have her with me here today.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 15, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
Now I question how honest you have been regarding your military service and your time working at the Naval Shipyard.
Take an internet trip to the Dept of the Navy and do a search on me and relieve your anxieties about my service in the Navy.
You sir may question anything you want, that is your privilege! I too question your integrity and your character based on this Private Message you sent me, why hide your thoughts from the public?
Was this an attempt at intimidation, after sending me a decent Private Message wishing me wishing me a belated Happy Veterans Day? What kind of a game are you playing with me? My remarks on this forum have been mainly as a concerned citizen about politics in Elk County, so what is your purpose? I am not a politician as in an elected official.
Do my questions about Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and their actions bother you all that much? Are you trying to scare me off? What is your real purpose of this Private Message?
[quote a=author=Fire Elk link=action=profile;u=2335 date=1353038636]
I didn't take you for that kind of person. I am disappointed. I will answer your question regarding my pay grade. I was not in the Navy but I was a Navy Civilian (not contractor) and my cousin was on the Uss Ohio, Alabama, and Georgia, all of which were at the Naval Shipyard during your so called time at the Naval Shipyard. [/quote]
I did not ask about your pay grade, I asked about your rate. Your rate would have been what your job was in the Navy as a sailor, i.e. MM, EM, IC, BM, AEM, ABM etc.
I don't know what a Navy Civilian is, I was a Federal Employee working for DOD at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard, and I don't remember the names of any of the Shipyard Commanders names. Does that I mean that I did not work there? Does that mean, I don't receive a retirement check from the DOD? NO!
FYI, the DOD is Department of Defense.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 15, 2012, 10:03:56 PM
You owe me no explanation, so no need to respond. What else have you been making up? Now you are not the only one with questions.
You are 100% correct, I owe you absolutely nothing?
Is this a new method of Elk Konnected Followers that you have used in this Private Message?
I do not fabricate anything perhaps that is your style, however it is not mine.
And as far as that offer to have a cup of coffee to meet each other, you can forget that. I do not associate with people of your ilk. Thank you.
Now, let's return to the subject of this thread, okay!
Thanks, Ross, for exposing this cad and his back alley bully attempts. It is revolting, disgusting, and VILE for someone who didn't serve to question the service of ANYONE. >:(
Animal Mother said it well, " You talk the talk, Do you walk the walk ?" It is obvious to me the big mouth isn't as brilliant as he thinks he is. A legend in his own mind. ::)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 16, 2012, 09:28:50 AM
It is obvious to me the big mouth isn't as brilliant as he thinks he is. A legend in his own mind. ::)
We've seen it here before. It's the West Coast Wail... the Kalifornia Konnection... a mind minus the meds.
Obviously someone who wants to bust sod without all the necessary tools.
That explains a lot.
He must surely be Konnected some how, right?
LOL
No I am neither Konnected or connected. I speak only for myself. My only purpose is to provide opposition, bumps in the road, and point out the errors of the few folks on the forum that have turned it from a great community to this debacle. I have been open as to who these folks are in my opinion. Anytime we can go back to the great forum we were I am ready. We discussed politics from all sides,yet it wasn't like attack posts like it is now. I have said who I think the attack posters are.
I sent the post as a pm to Ross so he could address my concerns. He chose to make it public. Now that he has chosen to post it in public I feel no need to keep it a private conversation. Ross now that I know you have no problem with anything being posted about you I will do it in public. Sorry for giving you a chance to address topics before they are posted in public and make you even more of an outsider than you already are.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
No I am neither Konnected or connected. I speak only for myself. My only purpose is to provide opposition, bumps in the road, and point out the errors of the few folks on the forum that have turned it from a great community to this debacle. I have been open as to who these folks are in my opinion. Anytime we can go back to the great forum we were I am ready. We discussed politics from all sides,yet it wasn't like attack posts like it is now. I have said who I think the attack posters are.
I sent the post as a pm to Ross so he could address my concerns. He chose to make it public. Now that he has chosen to post it in public I feel no need to keep it a private conversation. Ross now that I know you have no problem with anything being posted about you I will do it in public. Sorry for giving you a chance to address topics before they are posted in public and make you even more of an outsider than you already are.
There you go again David, yanking our chain. Whine ass'n how you want the forum of old to return , where everyone is all nice and cuddly---then you send a PM telling me to "pound dirt up my butt " Hell, maybe that's your way of flirting, but I took offense to it, so personally, I don't give a rats ass if people play nice with you or not
Jarhead, while you don't post that much the times that you do are to "poke" someone as you and Diane say. So when you do the poke it is ok when others do it you complain. I can handle it, sorry you were offended. Thanks, for kicking my cow patty. I hope the splatter didn't get on your face. :angel:
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
No I am neither Konnected or connected. I speak only for myself. My only purpose is to provide opposition, bumps in the road, and point out the errors of the few folks on the forum that have turned it from a great community to this debacle.
You say you are neither, that could be construed as being neutered, now couldn't it. I apologize for that, the Devil made me do it. But it is funny, I hope you have a sense of humor, you did set it up.
Your real purpose appears to be a distraction on behalf of elk konnected, llc just as the woman in Delaware!
And you are where in Kalifornia?
It also appears that your purpose to provide opposition is on behalf of elk konnected, llc! You can say what ever you choose, bet we don't have to choose to believe it. If not on behalf of elk konnected, llc, you have no purpose! It shows the deviousness of NGO's such as elk konnected, llc IMHO!
Actually you describe quite well the first page of this thread and elk konnected, llc with the word debacle! And I bet you didn't even realize it.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
I have been open as to who these folks are in my opinion. Anytime we can go back to the great forum we were I am ready. We discussed politics from all sides,yet it wasn't like attack posts like it is now. I have said who I think the attack posters are.
And your attack doesn't count, because it was suppose to be private. Sorry you are wrong!
Your assessment of people on this thread, on this forum is of absolutely no value. Your opinion of how this thread on this forum acts or behaves or any other thread is of no value. You do not own or have authorization to monitor any threads, so you are simply blowing in the wind.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
I sent the post as a pm to Ross so he could address my concerns. He chose to make it public. Now that he has chosen to post it in public I feel no need to keep it a private conversation. Ross now that I know you have no problem with anything being posted about you I will do it in public.
I made it quite clear in this thread if I received any mean or ugly PM's I would post them. And since your PM meet that requirement, being good to my word, I did post it! And I posted the fact that it was a PM. You, yourself in my opinion by using such ugly tactics through PM'ing is another of the debacle of which you speak, label yourself guilty, if you so desire.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 07:55:15 PM
Sorry for giving you a chance to address topics before they are posted in public and make you even more of an outsider than you already are.
What kind of nonsense is that? Being ugly through a PM is being ugly, very simple! And ues, you should be sorry for it.
Calling me an outsider does not offend me one little bit. Why? Because it is simply a tool of a verbal bully, nothing more? After having spent ten years in the Navy and being called everything under the sun, being called an outsider is nothing. During the time period, I was in the service if you didn't get called a name at least once a day and didn't call someone a name you didn't give or deserve any respect. It's just the way it was.
But here on this subject at this period in time calling someone an outsider is simply bullying and beneath my dignity.
But you know it seems the biggest requirement for an elected position is to have been born and raised here!
Just suppose the only person that could be elected for Governor had to have the requirement of being born and raised in Topeka, would that be a good requirement? Would that show intelligence and common sense? At the meet the candidates I heard the konnected kounty kommissioners mention elk konnected, llc enough times that it sounded like elk konnected, llc was running for office. Well it sure didn't help konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks get re-elected did it?
I happen to love living here in Elk County, probably more then you like living in California.
I don't know where you get all your info about me but you are mostly wrong on your assumptions. I do not live in California, although I do work there. The only way you could know If I have any connection to California is if the people that run the website provided that information to you. That sucks. That is not right that they provide you that information.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 10:24:08 PM
I don't know where you get all your info about me but you are mostly wrong on your assumptions. I do not live in California, although I do work there. The only way you could know If I have any connection to California is if the people that run the website provided that information to you. That sucks. That is not right that they provide you that information.
Then again, when a hunter sees a print in the field, he can (by virtue of prior field experience), determine if it belongs to a deer, badger.... or skunk. And sometimes realizing the proximity to skunk has nothing to do with seeing tracks in the dirt. Kinda like being experienced enough to know when a cow patty is dry enough to kick without splattering. Ever consider that there are a few experienced hunters around here?
Now, what about that taxpayer rebate silliness or those Flint Hills saviors from Public Squares/Elk Konnected and their (UN Agenda 21) HUD money handout?
Makes no sense to me. Keep guessing. Maybe the California connection is a lucky guess. I doubt it. I know what info you can know about me because I have given it out. Still I am disappointed my private info has been given out.
Perhaps it's you who are making no sense and are guessing.
Quote from: Patriot on November 18, 2012, 12:06:57 AM
Perhaps it's you who are making no sense and are guessing.
Could be Patriot. I am just an unedumacted redneck. Said the spider to the fly.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 11:11:41 PM
Makes no sense to me. Keep guessing. Maybe the California connection is a lucky guess. I doubt it. I know what info you can know about me because I have given it out. Still I am disappointed my private info has been given out.
Still disappointed that my private info was given out.Even though it was not completely accurate the California connection could only be determined by information given when I signed up. That sucks. Wrong very wrong.
Folks who are interested in more serious matters than FE Foolishness might take a moment to check this out: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14634.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14634.0.html)
I'm sure this thread will return to more important things in a few minutes.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 18, 2012, 01:41:41 AM
Still disappointed that my private info was given out.Even though it was not completely accurate the California connection could only be determined by information given when I signed up. That sucks. Wrong very wrong.
What private information? To what California connection are you referring? You're beginning to sound quite circular... quoting and answering yourself. Strange. Or is that deranged? And the accusations of some wrongdoing you appear to be leveling at the forum owners... most offensive, absent any evidence. I'm not sure I understand your pathology or purpose. An odd duck you are, to say the least. Or maybe you just know some allegedly influential folks here and could intervene to bring peace and solidarity to Elk county, Kansas and the Elk County Forum. In any case, your style surely resembles that of another strange beastie who visited in times past. :)
I'm curious... if you work in California, how is it you would implicitly agree to have coffee with Ross? Were you initially planning to drop by on your way to work and the traffic just made a meeting impractical? Or was that whole thing a leading on born of a pathology that results in fantasy living or constant misdirection? Yep, you seem to be composed of some odd sod.
And, how unusual that you registered in September of 2012 yet know so much ancient history about the forum and its players. As if you've actively participated in times past. And if you had, why would you need a new registration? Old ones don't go away without help. Or did your former self have some help falling off the list? Maybe if we knew the name of your former identity, we would better understand you, Sybil.
Now, about that tax rebate thing....
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 17, 2012, 10:24:08 PM
I don't know where you get all your info about me but you are mostly wrong on your assumptions. I do not live in California, although I do work there. The only way you could know If I have any connection to California is if the people that run the website provided that information to you. That sucks. That is not right that they provide you that information.
Nope the owners do not give out any information to my knowledge and for you to suggest they do is slanderous and just plain nasty.
Who are you going to attack next?
You give yourself away by your ridiculous attacks and in your post you say things you forget.
I do believe it would be best for me, to totally ignore your posts, because they lack any substance and appear to simply be distractions supporting elk konnected, llc in a senseless way. I find your posts both backhanded and useless!
Have a nice life in kalifornia, okay.
Who are you going to attack next?
You give yourself away by your ridiculous attacks and in your post you say things you forget.
I do believe it would be best for me, to totally ignore your posts, because they lack any substance and appear to simply be distractions supporting elk konnected, llc in a senseless way. I find your posts both backhanded and useless!
Have a nice life in kalifornia, okay.
This sounds like Ross describing Ross. I don't know of anyone on the Forum that has made more ridiculous attacks on people than Ross.
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 18, 2012, 08:38:57 AM
Who are you going to attack next?
You give yourself away by your ridiculous attacks and in your post you say things you forget.
I do believe it would be best for me, to totally ignore your posts, because they lack any substance and appear to simply be distractions supporting elk konnected, llc in a senseless way. I find your posts both backhanded and useless!
Have a nice life in kalifornia, okay.
This sounds like Ross describing Ross. I don't know of anyone on the Forum that has made more ridiculous attacks on people than Ross.
BYE!!!
Patriot,
Do you have any idea what fire elk is rattling on about that Teresa or Kjell would give out private info ? Trust me---I tried to pick Teresa's brain before on an identity and it didn't work. Guess what fire elk doesn't understand is everyone has "tells"---and a good poker player will pick up on them. No, I'm not a good poker player so it took at least a half dozen of fire elks post's to pick up on his" tells" to make me feel fairly comfortable on knowing who he was. I might be wrong but I would bet my best fishing pole on it.
Then he has the audacity to go to the coffee shop thread and bitch about people being mean. Since I first started reading this forum it was he that threw in his snide, catty remarks all the time, thinking he was dazzling us with his brilliance.
And since he can't dazzle with brilliance, he's trying to baffle with bull shit.
Hey , fire EK, or Sod Buster, you told us all about Kalifornia yourself. ::)
Well, Well, Well! Here we go again, some more of that good old elk konnected, llc stuff.
When will people wake up about control being the main element of elk konnected, llc?
Our konnected kounty kommissioner introduced
facilitators to Elk County via elk konnected, llc at kommunity conversations and now the
konnected School Board President is planning to use a
professional facilitator at a special school board meeting on November 26 at 6:30 pm at the USD 282 West Elk District Office.
Now, why would you suppose the
konnected School Board President needs a
PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR ? To discuss Goal Setting. That is only one of the many jobs of the school board.
Discussion is the whole principle of a School Board?
Do you suppose the
konnected School Board President is still upset that the largest majority of board members voted against his elk konncted, llc and konnected kounty kommissioners proposed
"Neighborhood Revitalization Program" , and the fact that he could not control the board members? Well I got news for him it is not in his job description to
control the elected board members!
His job is not to control our duly elected officials, never! But it appears that by bringing in a
PROFESSIONAL FACILITATOR it sure looks like that is his goal. Wake up folks. I sure hope someone on that school board AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, has the balls and moves to cancel this special meeting and another person has the balls to second it. And the board members vote to stop this control factor. That is another reason to be on the School Board to make sure things operate properly, IMHO
Is he incapable of leading/facilitating a school board meeting?
If he can not do the job, why nor resign from the position of President of the Board and let someone with the capabilities and knowledge do the job? No, I did not say resign from the school board, only from the position of President of the board.
Why hire a professional to do his job?Is it because it is the elk konnected, llc way, it appears elk konnected, llc enjoys bringing in outside FACILITATORS, to lead. (Is that outside as in outsiders)
To LEAD their konnected kommunity conversations, so apparently elk konnected, llc lacks the ability and knowledge to lead. However, I do believe they have a strong ability to bull shit everyone.
Just like with the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that offers welfare/kickbacks to certain taxpayers and calling that welfare rebates. Those would be people that don't want to pay their fair share,
just as what has happened over the past couple of decades with the Federal Gov', that has brought about the fiscal cliff.
So why do we listen to their hired professionals?
We really shouldn't, should we?
Especially, If it they are outsiders?
By outsiders, I am referring to people from outside the boundaries of Elk County.
Those outsiders called
facilitators can not be familiar with the intricacies of Elk County, now can they?
Can you see where elk konnected kounty commissioners are taking us,
no where,
but trouble,
that will be very difficult if not impossible to correct at a later date,
Is that what you want?
Just take a trip back to page one of this thread:
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Wouldn't that be the ultimate control for elk konnected kounty commissioners in Howard, Kansas?
That didn't work, so isn't it, let's control through the use of
PROFESSIONAL FACILITATORS? Are they thinking these dummies on the school board won't know what hit them?
Are they thinking these dummies on the school board don't know they can shut down the meeting,
they don't know they can simply make a motion and a second and voting to shut the meeting down?
If the board members were to do such a thing,
they would then be sending a stronger message to the elk konnected bunch!
The last Konnected Kommunity Konversation was Facilitated by people from Sedgwick County, now ask yourself why aren't they over home facilitating their own problems?
Oh, Sedgwick County has no problems, right? I don't believe that for one minute.
But this last Konnected Kommunity Konversation was completely bogus, IMHO.
President of the board is the FACILITATOR, there is no reason for two facilitators at one board meeting, now is there, especially a professional facilitator outsider?
Perhaps the School Board might try some self discipline and separate his position in the School District from his position with elk konnected, llc, is that a possibility?
Just some of my thoughts!
I could be wrong on a few points but that is the risk I take every time I post, isn't it?
konnected School Board President Whetstone, I have been told, has hired a Professional Facilitator to facilitate the upcoming Special School Board Meeting.
I stopped by the West Elk USD 282 and asked how much the District is paying this Professional Facilitator and was unable to receive an answer in Dollars and Cents? This is public information I requested, but I was told that there was no contract for that pay as of yet. And I was also told they had hired this Professional Facilitator before.
Now, I explained in my previous post that the position of President of the School Board is facilitator and now I'll include leader of the School Board. And all this makes me question the leadership abilities of the present konnected School Board President and isn't he a leader of elk konnected, llc and doesn't elk konnected, llc facilitate their so kalled koommunity conversations? What is so difficult about facilitation the Special School Board meeting?
I was informed that this Professional Facilitator has been provided with all the necessary information concerning this Special meeting about building a five year plan for the school. What do you suppose the purpose of that is? Could it be that he can use that information along with his expert training in facilitating (controlling) to manipulate our elected school officials? Is that a possibility? Is it perhaps related to the little bit of information I learned on the street today and this is just street talk. The talk was about building an extension on to West Elk for the grade school classes. Really?
Now if the school board is divided on an issue of this sort and it doesn't pass by one vote, what better way to get that vote changed then to bring in a Professional Facilitator (controller) to manipulate the elected school board officials? Just asking? Perhaps they will take another vote concerning the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" and this Professional Facilitator (Controller) would be armed to get a yes vote, who knows?
Who knows but the Professional Facilitator (Controller) and the konnected School Board President have planned? If you know will you share with us?
Folks the purpose of the School Board Elected Officials is to sit down and hash out any problems and vote on them and if it doesn't necessarily go the way the konnected School Board President wants it to, too bad, he to is an elected official just like all the rest of the board members and he has no right to hire a Professional Facilitator (Controller) IMO!
This tactic in my opinion is absolutely wrong.
And that is money taken from the education of our County's children?
I'd bet the Professional Facilitator is real expensive, and that's the reason, I could not acquire a dollar amount for his services.
Spending our tax dollars to hire someone to do his job and stinks of abusing the reason for a School Board that is suppose to work together and according to the Kansas School Board System even to engage in heated discussions. You can read that on their web site just as I did.
Why is it we never heard of Facilitators before elk konnected, llc brought them to Elk County?
So what is really going on at West Elk?
And what is really going on with or at konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks elk konnected, llc?
This outsider would like to know?
And I'd like to know why they are hiding?
There are even Democrats concerned about Agenda 21...Go figure. Notice 'facilitators' are closely tied to UN Agenda 21 efforts.
Thanks to Rosa Koire and her team at Democrats Against Agenda 21 we have this comprehensive list of key words and phrases that are often used at the local level when discussing Agenda 21 related initiatives.
Affordable housing
Ballot Box Planning
Benefit of all
Benefits-Driven
Buffer Zones
Cap & Trade
Choice
Climate Change
Common Core Curriculum
Common good
Community Protocol
Comprehensive planning
Consensus
Conservation Easement
Direct instruction
Downzoning
Endangered species
Environment
Environmental Impact Report (EIR)
Environmental Justice
Equity
Facilitator
Fair
General Plan
Global Warming
Good Business Sense
Grants
Green House Gas (GHG) Emissions
Greenways
Growth management
Habitat
HEAL (Healthy Eating Active Living) Communities
Healthy Communities Strategy
High Speed Rail
Historic preservation
Housing Element
Inclusive
Inter-disciplinary
International baccalaureate
International Council on Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI)
Invasive species
Jobs-Housing Connection
Land Use Policies
Lifelong learning
Livable communities
Livable Communities
Local
Local Governments for Sustainability
Metropolitan Planning Organizations
Mixed Use Development
Modeling
Multi-Use Dwellings
New Economy New Urbanism
New World Order
One planet communities
Open Space
Outcome based education
Outcomes
Parking Policy
Precautionary approach
Precautionary Principle
Preserve
Priority Conservation Areas
Priority Development Areas (PDA)
Prosperity
Protect
Public/Private partnerships
Quality of life
Redevelopment
Regional
Resilient Cities
Responsible development
Restoration
Safe Routes to Schools
Sanctuary
Scenic views and vistas
School to work
Sensitive Lands
Smart growth
Smart Streets
Social justice
Stack and Pack Housing
Stakeholder
Sustainable Communities Initiative
Sustainable communities partnership
Sustainable communities strategies
Sustainable development
Sustainable Economic Development
Sustainable medicine
Three "E"s of Sustainablity-Equity, Economy, Environment
Traffic calming
Transit Oriented Development (TOD)
Transportation Justice
Triple bottom line
Upzoning
Urban Growth Boundary
Urban revitalization
Vehicle Mileage Traveled Tax
Vibrant Neighborhoods
Vision
Visioning Meetings
Walkable Communities
Watershed
Wetlands
Wildlands
[quoteWho knows but the Professional Facilitator (Controller) and the konnected School Board President have planned? If you know will you share with us?][/quote]
Hey Ross!
I am going to take the middle road like I did when I first joined:
How do we even know what others think, other than you and Patriot? We don't know, only by actions from all.
The ends to the means are questionable, and my momma alwys said, "It's in your best interest that I do this"...and dad said "What the hell????" (Mom was what you now consider the 'old guard' and dd ws the 'outsider') :o
Could it be the quick response to a new Commissioner's e;ection result....2-1 can't get er done no more?
hmmmmmm :o
ready to read more......not background, but results.
I hve GOT to get new keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-X
Quote from: readyaimduck on November 19, 2012, 08:33:43 PM
I hve GOT to get new keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:-X
I need new fingers, I keep hitting the wrong keys.
And the shortened indes finger on my left hand just doesn't reach the keys. LOL
This thread is about kounty kommissioner Hendricks elk konnected, llc which she claims to be the founding member.
And now considering the fact that she is president of public squares communities, inc, it's also about them.
This thread is also about Elk County Government and its konnected kounty kommissioners.
But mainly it is about highly respected, pillars of the community and leadership.
The reason I left military service after 10 years service, was because of the title leadership.
The term leadership was in my opinion very loosely used, it lacked any real substance, it lacked meat, and it was just a word for impressing people. Well, that was back in 1976, in today's world it appears to be even worse.
Today the titles are used for taking and doing what the person wants to take and do for themselves or their friends, relatives, cronies and such. With no due consideration for the community as a whole.
Therefore IMHO the terms highly respected, pillars of the community and leadership mean absolutely nothing. Respect is earned not bought, just as friends are not bought!
Leadership does as much following as leading,
Leadership means accepting responsibility,
Leadership entails more then, a whole lot more than what is happening here in Elk County.
Leadership is not about hiring a Professional Facilitator with someone else's money to do your job or to force your ideas on someone else that is definitely not Leadership.
Frequently our military is firing highly respected, high ranking Officers, the Leaders of our military. Is it do to the fact that they don't understand the concept of Leadership?
Two more Commanders bite the dust, story at:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/11/21/navy-fires-two-more-commanders.html?ESRC=eb.nl
I notice that County Commissioner Ritz understands and lives by the concept of (http://leadership.)
No, I do not live in his district,
No, I and Commissioner Ritz are not related,
No, I and Commissioner Ritz are not friends.
I do respect him for his attitude towards Elk County as a whole and his roll as County Commissioner!
Thank you County Commissioner Ritz for your Leadership.
I wish, I could say the same for the konnected kounty kommissioners, but as long as they push the proposed SCAM called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that offers WELFARE to some taxpayers called rebates, I just can't say that about them. They sure want to push it before konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks loose her position on the Board, why do you suppose that is? Could it be that they don't think it will pass because the konnected kounty kommissioners won't have the controlling votes? Isn't that in and of itself a failure in Leadership?
Failure, Failure, Failure!
Happy Thanksgiving to you County Commissioner Ritz and your Family.
I wish each of the members of "The Elk County Forum" a very Happy Thanksgiving,
And I am thankful for having you, yes for you visiting with me on this thread.
I am also thankful for the owners for providing this forum for Elk County.
I've got to get this off my chest!
Economic Development, what is it in Elk County and what is it to elk konnected, llc and their konnected kounty commissioners?
Is it like running for elected office?
If you were not born and raised inn Elk County you have no business running for office because you are considered an outsider?
Is it about offering WELFARE/kickbacks to your friends, relatives, etc as in the proposed "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that the State of Kansas strongly suggest not using in a rural area? Isn't Elk County a rural area? They also don't suggest using it city wide. Yet the konnected kounty commissioners still push this program that leaves the rest of us picking up the slack for these WELFARE recipients, Go figure! This program is not designed to bring in outsiders for population growth, NOPE, no matter what the visionaries say.
And how is it they can accept applications for something that does not exist and to even choose to back date it to cover things that are already built. The proposed program states that they have to have approval before they start rebuilding. Where could they go to get prior approval a year before the program is approved? No konnected kounty kommisioner can give that approval, because the County Commissioners Board has approved the program. Why all the cheating?
And that folks is exactly what it is CHEATING, IMHO!
We have heard about it on this thread about outsiders, so how can you bring jobs to Elk County that might bring prosperity to everyone in the county, wouldn't that require bringing in outsiders?
But isn't the idea of Economic Development in Elk County only for born and raised people of Elk County?
There is no chance of Economic Development in Elk County without an industrial park where a business of any consequence could do business. Can't you see that? Look at Independence and Coffeyville and I think even little Cherryvale might have an industrial park. But nobody will even consider the idea. And we have the crossroads of highways 99 and 160 and only 20 short miles to highway 400. These highways lead to every where from south central Kansas.
Don't you wonder why?
Perhaps they don't want better wages for the people?
That way people will gladly continue to work for minimum wage, don't you think?
All this because of the fear of outsiders IMHO!
And this attitude will lead to further population decline and continued poverty for the population. And what kid with a college education worth any thing will return to this atmosphere, and why would they?
There is no Economic Development in Elk County so why should the taxpayers continue to pay an employee to pretend there is Economic Development? My bet is they sure don't teach this kind of stuff in college, what do you think?
I will be asking people, friends and outsiders like myself, to boycott the boycotters of property taxes associated with the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" if it passes.
Because it is not an Economic Development program for rural development. IMO!
So go for it!
This program even deprives Elk Vally School of funds for the childrens education, good job konnected kounty kommissioners! At least the West Elk School Board had the wisdom to vote against this bogus program. Thank you West Elk School Board members, Kudos to you!
Can we be thankfull for konnected kounty kommissioners?
I know Kjell or Teresa did not give my information away. What I was saying was that the only way you could know what you claimed was if they did. Talk about your poker tells and all the other. I too play poker. Poker is a good analogy for what I am doing on here. I like the fact that you know my tells it makes it easier for me to win in the end. Jarhead, thanks for helping implement my strategy. I know way more about you than you do of me. I am related to Sodbuster, but I am the from a different side of the family.
FE
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 21, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
I know Kjell or Teresa did not give my information away. What I was saying was that the only way you could know what you claimed was if they did. Talk about your poker tells and all the other. I too play poker. Poker is a good analogy for what I am doing on here. I like the fact that you know my tells it makes it easier for me to win in the end. Jarhead, thanks for helping implement my strategy. I know way more about you than you do of me. I am related to Sodbuster, but I am the from a different side of the family.
FE
Uh... Sybill? Multiple personality disorders have nothing to do with 'being related to someone but from a different side of the family'... different sides of the same brain, perhaps. As for your purpose in being here... only a good shrink would know... or care. Run along and play now. :P
Quote from: Patriot on November 21, 2012, 09:46:56 PM
Uh... Sybill? Multiple personality disorders have nothing to do with 'being related to someone but from a different side of the family'... different sides of the same brain, perhaps. As for your purpose in being here... only a good shrink would know... or care. Run along and play now. :P
Patriot, you are digging the hole. I have always been honest on why I am here. Many people care that I am here. A good shrink would help you get that conspiracy theory tinfoil hat off your head and back to reality. Besides who would you, Ross, jarhead, and Bullwinkle respond to on the forum?
Your tagline probably says it best: KEEP THE BATTLEFRONT CLEAR PLEASE DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
So, until your banned again.. have a nice Tranny San Fran day.
Quote from fire elk:
I too play poker
You finally said something I believe, David. I have no doubt that you and your buddies play strip poker on a regular basis. You have a nice Thanksgiving now.
Quote from: Fire Elk on November 21, 2012, 09:01:25 PM
I know Kjell or Teresa did not give my information away. What I was saying was that the only way you could know what you claimed was if they did.
FE
First you say I did.. then you say I didn't..
Just a small FYI for you~~ I don't ever give out any information on anything or anyone.. Never have.. Never will!! Believe it or don't believe it.. I personally don't care.
But a tigers stripes never change.. You can paint different ones on him.. but eventually its going to rain and they will wash off and those tell tale stripes will be right there big as life once again.. So easy that a 1st grader could see it.
( And I don't even play poker)
But, you can relax now ~~~~~you won't have to worry about it any longer.. :police:
Quote from: jarhead on November 18, 2012, 09:51:38 AM
Patriot,
Do you have any idea what fire elk is rattling on about that Teresa or Kjell would give out private info ? Trust me---I tried to pick Teresa's brain before on an identity and it didn't work. Guess what fire elk doesn't understand is everyone has "tells"---and a good poker player will pick up on them. No, I'm not a good poker player so it took at least a half dozen of fire elks post's to pick up on his" tells" to make me feel fairly comfortable on knowing who he was. I might be wrong but I would bet my best fishing pole on it.
Then he has the audacity to go to the coffee shop thread and bitch about people being mean. Since I first started reading this forum it was he that threw in his snide, catty remarks all the time, thinking he was dazzling us with his brilliance.
Uhmm he's too stupid to realize that the way he writes identifies him. It doesn't take rocket scientist to compare his rantings with sodbusters or david id he used to have.
I borrowed this, it refers to political parties, I'd prefer it refered to people in general!
Oh, I know sometimes I'm a smart ass, sometimes I don't know all the facts what I speak of, but I am sincere and honest in what I say. I do make errors as well, I'd have to ask you to forgive me for that.
The highlighted words are of great importance in my opinion, real principles are of great iportance to me as well.
Here is what I borrowed, and I think attitudes of konnected kounty kommissioners could use an adjustment, partly because they don't even fall in line with their own NGO supposed attitude. Just chew on that for a couple of minutes, please. Where is that NGO and their promise of "Superior Lifestyle" for Elk County after 7 years, where is the honesty in that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks?
A National Crisis in Character
Here's an excerpt from a letter I received the other day from a college professor:
"....throughout this election I discussed with
students the differences between ideologies. The majority of them are on
federal financial aid. They are fine with more taxes as long as they will be taken care of. It is disturbing to hear that they are willing to spend their own money on tattoos and cell phones but cannot buy the book for class until the financial aid comes in."
For those who see social conservatism as an annoyance and argue that Republicans must purge this agenda from their party in order to survive, I say "think again."
If Republicans want revival, we need
honest focus on what's really wrong in America and what must be done to assure that a great nation will be standing for our grandchildren and great grandchildren.
This kind of thinking is different from polls and focus groups and clever schemes to manage media and voter turnout.
Leadership is about identifying the
truth, believing it, and telling it in a way that people can grasp. Then they will respond and follow.
The professor's letter provides a snapshot, a hint, of what America's most basic problem is today. It's a problem of
character and
values.
Having lectured on over 180 college campuses over the last 20 years, I have seen exactly what the professor is talking about.
Of course government is too big. But how did it get this way? Americans vote every two years. They voted every two years during the whole period over which government grew to its current unwieldy size.
With the majority of the country now on one kind of government program or another, does anybody really think we can change this without talking about the human
attitudes and
values that produced it?
Democrats have a much easier problem than Republicans. They are not trying to change America. The
trends and
attitudes that got the whole country on
welfare, that produced the
moral relativism that is destroying our families and
character, is the platform of the Democratic Party.
Democrat politicians just have one job. Deny the patient is sick.
Republicans, if they are going to be a real opposition party, have a much tougher job.
With all the talk about this last election being driven by demographics and turnout, the most basic point is the party and its candidate did not step up as a serious,
principled opposition party.
We can't save Medicare and Social Security. They are bankrupt. Did we hear this from the Republican candidate? We heard wishy washy words about reforming these systems so we can save them.
Did we hear anything about how our public schools - controlled by unions whose agenda is growing their benefits and promoting
moral relativism among our youth- are destroying our children and our future? No.
When Ronald Reagan was first elected in November 1980,
18 percent of our babies were born to
unwed mothers Today 42 percent are.. Anyone who thinks this is not of crisis of the first order can just as easily vote for a Democrat as a Republican.
Americans just re-elected a president who opposed the Supreme Court decision banning partial birth abortion. The leader of our nation thinks it should be legal in America to kill a live, fully formed infant. What does this say about America today and our future?
There may be Republicans who think that we can ignore the
crisis in character and
values that underlies our fiscal crisis. There may be Republicans that think if we have a better tax system it doesn't matter if we have a country of single mothers, sexually ambiguous and confused men, and abortion and euthanasia on demand.
But ignoring these things would mean not just the end of the Republican Party. But the end of our country.
http://townhall.com/columnists/starparker/2012/11/19/a_national_crisis_in_character/page/full/
I think a lot of this should be considered a problen right here at home in Elk County!
I had never heard of this term.Moral Relativism - Legal Dictionary
The philosophized notion that right and wrong are not absolute values, but are personalized according to the individual and his or her circumstances
Moral relativism is the view that moral judgments are true or false only relative to some particular standpointAm I wrong, does that mean if i say it's right even of everyone els thinks it wrong, that everyone else is wrong? Wow! How cool is that?
I sure hope every one had a great Thanksgiving.
Well I guess from the way I read the newspaper President of the School Board konnected Whetstone asked the board if there was any interest in contracting with a facilitator for the Board Goal Setting.
I knew it had to be a konnected idea. Because, as I have said before, we never heard of a facilitator in Elk County before the NGO, elk konnected, llc came along, had we?
But good news is there is at least one man on the school board that takes his responsibility seriously and feels he is capable of doing the job he was elected to do. The only man to oppose the idea of a Professional Facilitator, the paper says that is Mr. Hilton. I feel Mr. Hilton deserves kudos and a pat on the back. Mr. Hilton is apparently a man that believes he can uphold the responsibility of the elected position he accepted, this shows strong Leadership abilities, IMO.
What is the responsibility of the President of the School Board, is it to hire someone to do his job, isn't he suppose to facilitate the meeting. Does he lack the leadership and the responsibility to perform the task of facilitator, then why doesn't he relinquish the job to another member of the Board that is responsible and has the Leadership abilities to do the job.
I was told by an official (non-elected type) that I happen to respect, that the Professional has been provided all the information required concerning the planning to facilitate the special meeting.
Now who gave him that info and what was that info and who developed that info?
Where did that info originate from?
Did it originate from the VFW?
Did it originate from the coalition for churches?
Did it originate from the nearest Walmart?
Did it originate from konnected School Board President Whetstone and his elk konnected, llc?
Or did it originate possibly from the School Board members? I doubt this last one, because if they could put the list together, they should be able to deal with the completion of the job, and vote on the items, IMO.
I wonder what the Paid Professional Facilitator is expected to accomplish that the people we elected to accomplish for us, can't seem to accomplish?
We have 7 (seven) elected school board members that said when they ran for the offices that they wanted to serve the taxpayers of the school district and run our school, now didn't they? Do they lack the responsibility and leadership ability to do what they were elected to do, except for Mr. Hilton who is putting his best foot forward IMO?
The purpose of the board is to discuss among itself (that's 7 seven adults) and even have heated discussions (Conflict) according to the State School Board and then to vote on the issue or issues, that's their job, they took it on. The job is not to hire a Professional Facilitator at hundreds of dollars an hour, with our taxpayer's dollars to effectively control our school board and possibly to accomplish something for someone outside of the school board and it's elected officials.
Why remove those hundreds of dollars an hour to pay a facilitator when the School Board has an elected facilitator? Is it due to lack of ability and leadership, or is it due to the possible control factor and what is desired by someone not on the school board? Just give that a little thought, I'm still thinking on this one myself>
What actually is a Facilitator--- Mediator, arbitrator, motivational speaker, controller, manipulator? Some may certified, but I can't find where any are licensed.
Some have high school diplomas, some have a college degree some even have PHD'S and may be licensed in other fields that require a license.
The following is from:
http://facilitationprocess.com/assessing-the-cost-of-a-facilitator/
Facilitators may fill many roles. They may be useful in gathering and analyzing information about the situation to help sort out the issues, evaluate the effectiveness of current procedures where needed, and identify possible alternatives for action.
Assessing Billing Rate Transparency: A second principle relates to transparency of billing rates. If you dig around online it won't take you long to find a facilitator database. Facilitators can add a listing in this database and every time the database matches a facilitator with a client they take a "finder fee." If you search the database for Oregon you will find consultants with a daily billing rate of $1,500 – $5,000.
Assessing References: The fifth principle is about reference checking. I have done reference checking on facilitators before and my experience is few, very few, references will give critical analysis. The reference check invariably is positive. Why else would they be a reference? Get specific. Tell me about a time when the facilitator managed conflict. (There is a reason for a school board of seven menbers and that is to rule out any conflict by a majority vote. Very elementary! Why pay hundreds per hour for manipulation of a proper process? My words with-in these quotes.) What did s/he do and what was the outcome? What did s/he do when the process of off track? Were all deliverable met on time or was there slippage? Describe that slippage. Even then, references often don't yield much useful information. So take references with a grain of salt.
http://facilitationprocess.com/assessing-the-cost-of-a-facilitator/
You as the taxpayer, aren't you being manipulated indirectly by this process?
Do you enjoy being manippulated by your elected officials?
Ross, you are so wrong in so many ways its almost funny.
I believe Ross is right on track.
Only a city slicker or a socialist would think otherwise and disagree with Ross much of the time.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 07:40:39 AM
Ross, you are so wrong in so many ways its almost funny.
I don't hear you laughing!
I think you are full of it because, once again have
no meat in your message.
I asked questions and you don't appear to have any answers, except for an attempt at a put down. Just like a typical elk konnected Follower!
To me you seem to have a problem with determining the truth or you don't want others to know the truth, which is it?
Do you think you know what is going on?
Do you have an insider view of why a
high dollar professional facilitator is need ,
when that is the job of the President of the School Board, our elected official?
Don't you think the taxpayers monies could be used to improve the education in the classroom or do you believe it is better used to follow the plans of an
NGO?Do you think our elected officials are incapable of doing their job and need to spend big money for someone else to do it for them?
Remember the study performed for West Elk School District by the University? The one they tried to keep secret from the majority of Elk County Citizens. What came of reporting to the citizens the outcome of that study? The school officials determined that there was nothing to it, that the University took the
middle road and was of no help (These words came right out of the District Office). But, if that is true, why with hold it from the public, what would have been wrong pubkishing the report? What happened to the follow up meeting with the University?
I stopped by the District Office and asked how much they were paying this Professional Facilitator (Controller) and was told they didn't have a
contract with him yet. Come on, the man is scheduled to come way over here and he has no idea what he will be paid?
What kind of a professional is that?
I was simply asking for public information and i feel I was denied that information!
They can make all kinds of excusess for not having that information, but it is still wrong no matter how you cut it.
Just a note Ross to let you know that you are wrong about there being 7 school board members. I am pretty sure that there are 6, as Moline does not have a representative. Lisa Townsley was, but resigned the position noting that she was too busy with other endeavors and could not give it the time that it requires. She only took it because no one else ran for the position, and as of now no one has stepped up to replace her.
And my curiosity has gotten to me, why do you worry so much about West Elk's school board and so little about Elk Valley's? Especially since Elk Valley has raised their mill levy and your son attends school there. Have you questioned them about their reasoning why they would raise the amount of money that tax payers must contribute?
Quote from daisy:
why they would raise the amount of money that tax payers must contribute?
Good question Daisy. Lots of inquiring minds would like to know. I heard two board members were against it but majority rules
Even more so when you take into account the fact that increased property values are increasing revenues without a mill increase. Greed & special interests? In fairness, though, there are questionable undercurrents in both districts.
Quote from: daisy on November 25, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
Just a note Ross to let you know that you are wrong about there being 7 school board members. I am pretty sure that there are 6, as Moline does not have a representative. Lisa Townsley was, but resigned the position noting that she was too busy with other endeavors and could not give it the time that it requires. She only took it because no one else ran for the position, and as of now no one has stepped up to replace her.
And my curiosity has gotten to me, why do you worry so much about West Elk's school board and so little about Elk Valley's? Especially since Elk Valley has raised their mill levy and your son attends school there. Have you questioned them about their reasoning why they would raise the amount of money that tax payers must contribute?
Just more evidence that Ross and company are just trying to stir up trouble. They don't want the facts.
Quote from: daisy on November 25, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
Just a note Ross to let you know that you are wrong about there being 7 school board members. I am pretty sure that there are 6, as Moline does not have a representative. Lisa Townsley was, but resigned the position noting that she was too busy with other endeavors and could not give it the time that it requires. She only took it because no one else ran for the position, and as of now no one has stepped up to replace her.
They just recently redistricted the West Elk School District and I have been informed that they now have another member.
I believe this redistricting will permit them the opportunity to include more konnected members as time passes, just an added thought. But we may never know because the so called members seem to stay in hiding. You know like "The Old Guard" ?
Quote from: daisy on November 25, 2012, 09:22:38 AM
And my curiosity has gotten to me, why do you worry so much about West Elk's school board and so little about Elk Valley's? Especially, since Elk Valley has raised their mill levy and your son attends school there. Have you questioned them about their reasoning why they would raise the amount of money that tax payers must contribute?
Because, I live and pay taxes in the West Elk School District and not in the Elk Valley School District!
Thus making these school board members my business as the governing body of the school district in which I live.
The rest is personal business.
Do I know you Daisy, I'm guessing I must but my two brain cells just aren't connecting the dot's and that is only two dot's. LOL
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 25, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
Just more evidence that Ross and company are just trying to stir up trouble. They don't want the facts.
In spite of months of diversion, personal assault & stonewalling, "Ross and company" have presented more clear evidence of questionable actions on the part of local government than you can shake a stick at. Evidence that has been gleaned from personal observation, documentation and public record. As is with all history, there are always those who will ignore reality and blindly defend wrongdoing with a vengeance. Evidence? I'm not sure you would know real evidence if it landed on your dinner table wrapped in gold. Sorry you're on that side of the fence.
Do you Ross and Patriot think the whole county is corrupt? There are good and honest people on all the school boards and the county commission so why do question their every move.
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 25, 2012, 10:34:51 AM
Just more evidence that Ross and company are just trying to stir up trouble. They don't want the facts.
And you sir with no questions or answers only appear to want to be ugly and no help what so ever!
Yet another trait of a konnected follower, or so it seems.
You would, it appears, would prefer, that people didn't question or know about your konnected followers doings, isn't that a fact?
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Do you Ross and Patriot think the whole county is corrupt? There are good and honest people on all the school boards and the county commission so why do question their every move.
No.
There are a few.
Because, as citizens, taxpayers and voters, it is our duty to inspect that which we elect. And we don't question their 'every move'. Only those 'moves' that appear to be inappropriate or not in the taxpayers best interests.
For example, Liebau telling maintenance NOT to do something that the entire board had agreed to 30 minutes earlier. When any one commissioner thinks they are all powerful, the basic foundation of a representative government is undermined.
For example, expecting elected officials to comply with open meetings laws and advising the public when they don't.
If you are offended by such public oversight, then perhaps you misunderstand the American form of government.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
Do you Ross and Patriot think the whole county is corrupt? There are good and honest people on all the school boards and the county commission so why do question their every move.
How arrogantly ignorant and/or condencending of our constitutional rights can you get?
Yet another trait of a konnected follower, or so it seems.
Our governing bodies are our constitutional right to monitor and question as voters, citizens and taxpayers.
It is our money they are using or possibly wasting, so yes we question.
And that seems to bother you, why?I will leave the to their shenanigans when they return my money and become a communistic organization, so until then live with it.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 11:12:46 AM
...why do question their every move.
As an afterthought, proelkco, the 4th estate (media) used to do the job of watching, reporting and even questioning the acts of elected officials. The press (the likes of the Prairie Star), long ago abrogated that responsibility. Now, they selectively print/report only what government officials spoon feed them. Who, if not concerned citizens, are watching?
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you doubt that, just look at the behaviors of some of our elected (and unelected) government officials... and not just at the federal level.
Just curious - how many school board meetings have you guys attended? I haven't gone to any this past year, but for several years I was at all the meetings. I know how they are run, how the members think. Not hearsay, but actuality because I was there.
Ross and Patriot why do you have to be so hateful and arrogant to everyone that does not agree with you.? The people I converse with like the Prarie Star paper. And Ross why in the world do you call people followers when they don't agree with you? Patriot there is not one commissioner that thinks they are all powerful. You are very narrow minded.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
Ross and Patriot why do you have to be so hateful and arrogant to everyone that does not agree with you.? The people I converse with like the Prarie Star paper. And Ross why in the world do you call people followers when they don't agree with you? Patriot there is not one commissioner that thinks they are all powerful. You are very narrow minded.
What a hateful thing for you to say and acccuse.
May God forgive you!The Prairie Star is prejudiced by admitting being affiliated with elk konnected, llc, good choice on your part.
And if you read some of his editorials some of them can very well be construed as ugly and mean.
But perhaps you agree with them because of the konnection, had you thought of that?
This post of yours shows the same contempt or arrogant ignorance I spoke of before.
And this is your own attempt at being hateful! Shame, shame!
You apparently don't support open and honest government or you would not be tryng to shut us up with such a hateful post.
Do you even believe in the constitution?
Good government should not be secretive as secrecy breeds suspicion and ill feelings! How about that?
I was yelled at by a konnected kounty kommissioner during a County Commissioners Meeting for mentioning elk konnected, llc, that was really decent of them wasn't it. A really good attempt at shutting me up in my opinion, but it failed. You see I am still here asking questions, of which you apparently have no knowledge of the answers or are covering something up!
Which is it?
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
Ross and Patriot why do you have to be so hateful and arrogant to everyone that does not agree with you.?
I would say it looks like you see 'hate' behind every disagreement. Make a valid argument, and we'll see if we can come to an agreement. Throwing names like hateful and arrogant around is not a valid argument. Take a position on the arguments we cite and defend your position with evidence.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
Patriot there is not one commissioner that thinks they are all powerful.
There are commissioners who seem to think they have individual powers to make decisions to run things absent the other commissioners. I, for one, find that an undesirable trait in an elected official. The board is just that, a board, who make majority held decisions... hopefully after rational debate. They are not three separate super managers who individually direct county resources in autonomy. Are you saying my previous report on Liebau was inaccurate? Are you saying his behavior was proper and honorable? Are you prepared to call the other dozen or so witnesses 'hatefu and arrogant'? Are you saying his admission to the fact of his actions was insincere? Are you sure you don't have another dog in this battle?
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 01:08:17 PM
You are very narrow minded.
And you appear very defensive, and incapable of debating issues with facts. I guess that would make you equally narrow minded.
Patriot I have no dog. I just do not agree with you or Ross on most of your comments. Neither of you have answered Mom70x7 question.
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
Patriot I have no dog. I just do not agree with you or Ross on most of your comments. Neither of you have answered Mom70x7 question.
Well, disagreement is fine. Just wish that if you were gonna join the debate it would be to present a different viewpoint rather than to simply call names. As for Mom's question...here ya go....
Quote from: Mom70x7 on November 25, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
Just curious - how many school board meetings have you guys attended? I haven't gone to any this past year, but for several years I was at all the meetings. I know how they are run, how the members think. Not hearsay, but actuality because I was there.
I really haven't ventured to deeply into the current matter re the school board, yet. But as far as understanding board ops and thinking, I will make two points....
1. I have as much first hand 'at the board meeting' information as most of the parents who willingly turn their children over to the schools every day and as the voters had when they killed the board's attempt to issue several million dollars worth of bond debt not many moons ago.
2. I've attended all but 2 or 3 county commission meetings in the last two years, and that doesn't seem to matter one bit to the Elk Konnected supporters or those who so strongly support the Kounty Kommissioners yet never attend any meetings or talk with any county supervisors... so why should attendance in the case of the school board matter any more so?
Quote from: Patriot on November 25, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
Are you saying my previous report on Liebau was inaccurate? Are you saying his behavior was proper and honorable? Are you prepared to call the other dozen or so witnesses 'hatefu and arrogant'? Are you saying his admission to the fact of his actions was insincere? Are you sure you don't have another dog in this battle?
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
Patriot I have no dog. I just do not agree with you or Ross on most of your comments. Neither of you have answered Mom70x7 question.
Speaking of playing 'gotcha' games... I notice you failed to answer the more crucial 4 of my 5 questions. How about it ma'am?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on November 25, 2012, 12:56:46 PM
Just curious - how many school board meetings have you guys attended? I haven't gone to any this past year, but for several years I was at all the meetings. I know how they are run, how the members think. Not hearsay, but actuality because I was there.
Aren't they suppose to conduct the meeetings according to the Roberts Rules of Order and by the rules laid down by the State of Kansas? Aren't they suppose to respectful?
Not being at the meetings does not mean people are not knowledgeable about what happens there.
Does what the newspaper print about the minutes of the meeting qualify as hearsay?
How can you possibly know how they think from situation to situation and new schoolboard member to new board member zn from year to year? That's a real mind bender to me!
I have been to some school board meetings, but I am unable to get to as many as I would like, but tha't life. and I have heard things out of the Previous School Superintendent that were completely uncalled for and disrespectful to the board members. I have also seen the Konnected President of the board be disrespectful during the meeting.
During a break at a meeting the konnected President of the Board confronted me and was disrespectful towards me and I
demanded and recieved an apology from him. You can verify that by asking one of two or three or more of the board members.
What is it you are really trying to say?
I'm not really here to answer questions but to ask them and perhaps learn soething. I hope you don't have a problem with that and my constitutional right to do so?
If the konnected President of the Board can not facilitate the School Board Meetings which is his job, shy hire someone to do it for him. I believe the proper thing to do instead of spending my money for sonmeone to do his job, he should step aside and let another member of the board that can do the job, do it?
Where is his leadership in the atter of facilitating the meeting. or is he hiring soeone to come in and take control of the board and get them to do what his organozation might wants done?
There is a considerable blur between our County's governments and an NGO, haven't you noticed that?
I'm sure if you looked you'd find it right here in this thread.
I am not intending to be ugly, sarcastic only practical?
Quote from: proelkco on November 25, 2012, 03:23:14 PM
Patriot I have no dog. I just do not agree with you or Ross on most of your comments. Neither of you have answered Mom70x7 question.
Nobody asks you to agree with anyone at any time.
I have said it many times I am not here to answer questions but to ask them. in order to learn.
But no one has any answers, just name calling.
I'll continue to ask questions until I get answers.
That is my constitutional right, thank you!
So can yout tell me who the actual or registered or people that claim to be members of elk konnected really are ?
Are they so ashamed of their NGO as to stay hidden?
Do you believe people should receive WELFARE/kickbacks on their property tax through the proposed "Neighbor Hood Revitalization Program" that the State of Kansas said should not be used in Rural Areas or city wide but only in blighted areas?
Isn't it just another variation of the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" money?
Do you think Elk County is blighted?
Don't you believe Good Government should not be secretive as secrecy breeds suspicion and ill feelings.
"Logic is an enemy and truth is a menace," Rod Serling once declared. And it's true today.
The mere act of asking an intelligent question now gets you harshly condemned. No questions are allowed. No intelligence is tolerated.
They demand total obedience from everyone.
Do they believe they mastered a level of logic and reason above your cognitive grasp.
So asking a question is, itself, a violation of what they may call higher reasoning a logic?
So let me get this straight. By definition, then, no one can question them because the very act of questioning is, itself, is not recognized by their team of visionaries or steering committee, or so called leaders (or board of directors)?
Good questions there, Ross.
They probably will not answer your questions or debate, however they seemed prepared to
steal peoples' liberty with their government programs.
I have nothing to do with ElkKonnect, I just love Elk county and it is sad for me to see the damage that Ross and company are doing to it. Ross you are a really sick and twisted individual. Personally I think you border on slander and harassment and I would like to see someone challenge you in court on it. You say you furnish evidence, I see very little evidence, just your claims off all kinds of trash.
Do you love liberty more than you love Elk County?
Quote from: Jd298bd2 on November 26, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
I have nothing to do with ElkKonnect, I just love Elk county and it is sad for me to see the damage that Ross and company are doing to it. Ross you are a really sick and twisted individual. Personally I think you border on slander and harassment and I would like to see someone challenge you in court on it. You say you furnish evidence, I see very little evidence, just your claims off all kinds of trash.
Sick. Twisted. Slander. Harassment. Desire for legal action.Yet
another player who has nothing more to offer than personal attacks and name calling, but who has no willingness (or ability) to answer valid questions about government or debate issues. Is there nobody willing to discuss the core issues... or is it that questionable actions of secretive government/NGO alignments are acceptable and being questioned evokes the natural defenses of unprincipled people?
The primary damage being done to Elk County is done by residents who act negatively to 'outsiders' and create an unwelcoming atmosphere and by official public policies that keep tax rates high & unfavorable to growth, roads less driveable, and prosperity less reachable.
If Ross and company are so powerful as to 'damage' Elk County so irreparably, then Elk County is in serious trouble indeed.
By the way, sparky, defamation in written form is libel, not slander. A perfect example would be groundless claims in writing that a person is sick and twisted. I do hope you have an MD in Psychiatry and are qualified to diagnose someone as 'sick and twisted'.
By the way, welcome to the forum. Though joining at 9:22 AM and launching a personal attack at 9:36 AM is a bit disingenuous, IMO.
Ahem...just for information.
'' Defamation'' includes both libel and slander.Slander is spoken or heard and libel is publicly seen or printed. If there is intent to harm or harm is done, a legal case may be made,especially when no proof of wrong doing is or can be made.
Quote from: Jd298bd2 on November 26, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
I have nothing to do with ElkKonnect,
If you have nothing to do with elk konnected,llc why are you sticking up for them?
If you have nothing to do with elk konnected how do you know they are not sick and twisted?
Now tell me again how you a new subscriber have nothing to do with elk konnected, llc ?
Why aren't you calling them sick and twisted?
What makes you think they are not to blame for this debacle?
You just registered today and have one post, this one, so what do you know about this situation?
Name: Jd298bd2
Posts: 1 (N/A per day)
Position: Forum Member
Date Registered: Today at 09:22:05 am
Last Active: Today at 10:08:23 am
Quote from: Jd298bd2 on November 26, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
I just love Elk county and it is sad for me to see the damage that Ross and company are doing to it. Ross you are a really sick and twisted individual. Personally I think you border on slander and harassment and I would like to see someone challenge you in court on it.
You sir registering today and your very first post is really hateful for a newbie to the forum, shame on you!
Are you
sue happy?
I happen to love living here, but how long will it be, before some NGO messes it up good?
Look to page one of this thread to see the ludicrous stuff from the local NGO we have presently!
How many more NGO's and facilitators may decide to move in to Elk County?
You sir, may think whatever you like! You can think I border on slander but that thinking does not make it so. I happen to think you are attempting to bully me, but the only reason it isn't so, is because I won't let you. I hope you comprehend what I am saying.
If you think I am really sick for utilizing my constitutional rights, you have a real personal problem IMO, and I may pray for you!
Quote from: Jd298bd2 on November 26, 2012, 09:36:13 AM
You say you furnish evidence, I see very little evidence, just your claims off all kinds of trash.
You sir are putting words in my mouth, my mouth is personal property, please stay out of my mouth.
I have absolutely no evidence of anything good or bad.
I have said many, many times I only have questions.
So try again!You sure don't play nice!
Is that another one of the konnected followers methods of operation?In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Borrowed words, but they all came from the same dictionary and slightly rearranged! LOLSimply my personal observations, opinions and questions?Just FYI, did you know that Loyola University reports that "Fecal Incontinence Is Highly Underreported."
Quote from: Ross on November 26, 2012, 12:29:14 PM
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Not Ross' words. They are slightly altered from two sentences first used by me eighteen months ago to describe Ross and his fellow closed-minded posters:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234)
Quote from: flintauqua on November 26, 2012, 01:28:45 PM
Not Ross' words. They are slightly altered from two sentences first used by me eighteen months ago to describe Ross and his fellow closed-minded posters:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234 (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11733.msg160234.html#msg160234)
My,my,my Hee, hee, hee!
Each and every word can also be found in any English dictionary and can also be translated to other languages.
ROFLMAO!
Quote from: Ross on November 26, 2012, 02:50:48 PM
My,my,my Hee, hee, hee!
Each and every word can also be found in any English dictionary and can also be translated to other languages.
ROFLMAO!
At least you went back and said they were borrowed. You really should reference who you quote.
Some of your posts are verbatim from other sources, sources that probably are copyrighted, and often have disclaimers attached to them. Not only can you be held accountable for infringing on others intelectual property, but the owners of the forum can be held accountable also, for allowing it to occur.
Let's see not, the subject of this thread is not about me or you or lawsuits.
The subject is not about spreading fear to posters on the forum/
The subject oh yea, is about elk konnected, llc and konnected kounty kommissioners and konnected School Board President and such. Doesnt that amount to Konnected County Government and Konnected School Board Members.
So, what information can you relate to us about who is or isn't Konnected and what are their actual goals?
What has elk konnected, llc actually accomplished that amounts to anything?
Why do they stay in hiding with the exception of their silly little Kommunity Konversations?
Have they fed the hungry?
Have they clothed the cold?
You know with real food and a real coat?
Where is their imaginary kommunity?
Where is the Quality of Life they claimed seven years ago?
Enlighten us please?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 11:18:09 AM
Ahem...just for information.
'' Defamation'' includes both libel and slander.Slander is spoken or heard and libel is publicly seen or printed. If there is intent to harm or harm is done, a legal case may be made,especially when no proof of wrong doing is or can be made.
"..defamation in written form is libel, not slander.." Gee teach, didn't I just say that? And, in most states, it's not '...especially when no proof of wrong doing..." as truth is always a defense against libel or slander. For even more clarification, cases brought by public figures are especially difficult to win because, unlike cases brought by average folks, both the lie
and intent to willfully cause character damage must be proven.
QuoteWhile the mill levy didn't increase, property values did go up. For the taxpayer that means the tax dollars to be collected will go up! For voters, that means the commission will be collecting and spending an extra $150,000 (give or take a few bucks) next time around.
So the reality is while the commission can say they didn't raise the mill, they did allow your taxes and government spending to go up.
Patriot: Although I am not going to get into this, (hell already am :'( ) This was from a post back in October.
I do feel an obligation to try and alter your logic, in that yes, the comissioners set the mill levy. Yes, the appraiser is hired by the commissioners. And NO, the comissioners have no say in wether the property values go up.
That being said, they (Commissioners) have no control in that matter. That is a state reg for appraisal as well as Ag values (which really skyrocketed in most counties.)
I respectfully request that you reconsider using the appraiser's duties as a 'flunkie' for the comissioner's adgenda when it comes to ALLOWING taxes to go up.
ready
ready,
I think you misunderstood. I made NO reference to the appraiser. And the reason is clearly because the appraiser has no influence on value, or the mill levy. My reference to taxes going up was based on the reality that with increased values and no mill levy change by the commission, taxes paid by taxpayers will necessarily increase. My point was that for a commission who knows that values have increased, and choose to avoid complicity in increased taxes by simply saying they didn't increase the mill levy, is a cop out and is intellectually dishonest. The appraiser is, in simplest form, a calculator who sets values according to state standards for valuation. My argument was against a commission who avoids reality and seeks some political gain by not telling the whole story and not the appraiser. Commissioners DO have control... they control the mill levy and spending. I never mentioned the appraiser, so what's the problem? What in my 'logic' is flawed?
Quotecan say they didn't raise the mill, they did allow
Most, Some, a few verbal taxpayers have a tendency to not see through the whole process.
I think you are correct in what you say, it just cames across differently with the above statement.
Sorry, if I confused you. I am a taxpayer, and I agree that spending what you have in the highest priority is.... a priority.
Our money, our decision based on the elected person holding the best decision of my interest. Unfortunately it is not always in our best ineterst.
Confusing? yeppers. It's called Politics.
ready
How, why, what the commision does with the monies collected, either up or down should be questioned.
Patriot, I just expanded and wrote more completely what you had started as a definition. It wasn't meant as a poke at you.
But you might want to be careful about the comments you made about the psychiatric label, as you did the same thing to me in another thread. Also, provable repetition of libelous written language can be considered proof, because it isn't one time only and then possibly just an error.
By the way I recently read a very likeable quote." Men are only as great as they are gentle." (E.Hubbard) That's a good one. IMHO
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 26, 2012, 08:28:45 PM
By the way I recently read a very likeable quote." Men are only as great as they are gentle." (E.Hubbard) That's a good one. IMHO
Sure maybe, maybe not!
If they are trying to screw you over, does this apply?
Does that mean if they screw you over gently they are great?
IMHOI don't think so!
Very funny, another new tactic of konnected followers a nice way of saying if you don't agree nicely you are not great, right?
Well, I'm not great and never claimed to be.
I am a redneck and proud to be one. Thank You!
Let me remincd you what a redneck is.
In the 19th century, there was a turn in how terms like redneck were used. The word redneck, in particular, was no longer viewed purely as slander, but as a badge of pride. Among those who shared this sentiment, it stood for someone who believed in self-determination and individual freedom.
Take a look at the last several posts. While most all are discussing the intended thread, or parts thereof, it seems a few , one, poster wants to be that gnat, or fruit fly that keeps being a nuisance and oblivious to the topic.
Just an observation, and not meant to be responded to. :-X Actually this icon looks more like someone getting ready to barf.
I attended the Special School Board meeting last evening and I thought I'd share it with you.
Warning it is a long read and I did the very best I could in note keeping/
Special School Board Meeting
Nov 26, 2012
Goal Setting with Facilitator Dr. James C. Christman
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(In my opinion this is a professional facilitator, who claims to do this sort of thing frequently. I also consider him a master manipulator.
The reason for the addition of professional added to facilitator, is because he claims to do it frequently and because when I went to the Schools District Office and asked how much he is getting paid they failed to tell me and made excuses for not telling me.
Which means to me it must be an embarrassing amount of money. Oh well, it's just the taxpayers money.
This does reinforce my opinion that the konnected School Board President lacks the leadership abilities to properly hold that position. Why?
He is President of the Board and his
main function is to facilitate the meeting, that's why. Due to the lack of leadership ability he hires a professional to do his job. And I fear this will only get worse, after all this is not the this is not the mans first visit to the West Elk School District. He was contracted once before, as I was informed by the School Superintendent.)
The man starts out with, let me set the stage and gives a simple explanation of how to plan. Then he tells the Board, "You are special," and continues with a pep talk.
You bring your own life perspective to the table and you need to learn to see other people's perspective and sometimes need to yield to them. (If you believe you have principles and are doing the right thing, why should you yield to what, you don't believe?)
The man says, they often use focus groups and that will be discussed later. (I wonder does that include NGO's?)
The man says there will be three questions later:
1. Who is responsible? (Really? These elected officials don't know already?)
2. What is the timeline for accomplishing the Goals? (Wasn't it already discussed as a 5 year plan?)
3. How do you know when you are satisfied with the plan? (Is this rocket science?)
(Sounds to me, more like a motivational speech, to do what some Focus Group want to accomplish, maybe an NGO, or an
"Old Guard", you decide.)
The man then says tonight we are not going to talk about $'s or efficiency, we are going to talk about what you the board members want, if you can have it. (The man keeps saying tonight we are not going to talk about money, as if he is going to return, later I learn this is the truth. He will be returning several times, but
at what cost to the tax payers?)
The man are are you ready to get started! (I thought he had already got started, or was that just setting the stage?)
To the board he says tell me something good about West Elk?
He begins writing on this huge paper on an easel.
He writes (to name a few)
Good kids
Good Facility
Graduation Rate
Lots of Scholarships
Good Math Program
The he gave the board two minutes to write down things they think are important that the school plan needs. (They write and it stretches out to 5 minutes maybe more.) In the mean time the man is placing 5 blank yellow sticky notes in front of each board member.
(This in my opinion is where the real manipulation and control of the board starts, through the use of peer pressure)
Now the man asks the board members to read what they wrote down as he writes their comments on a big white piece of paper, oh the first page is removed and taped to the wall.
He writes as the board members take turns, he writes their wants down on the big piece of paper, the papers are taped to the wall:
Construction Grade School/Second Gym
(Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President) Better Grade School Facilities
(Keep this in mind) Parent Involvement
English College Prep
Teach Critical Thinking
Recruit and Retain Quality Teachers
Support Educational Awareness both National and International
Efficiency in Maintenance, Food Services, Office Staff, etc.
Get Citizens with no Connection with the School Involved
Promote West Elk on Individual and Corporate Levels
(made by the konnected board President. Would that mean with your NGO)
Education of Children
(It would seem to me that would have been mentioned right off the bat as the main goal.)At this point the man said, we name every dollar.
Continuing with wants
Early Child hood Intervention
Competitive Sports, decide how important it is.
(konnected President) Lower Mill Levy
` PNA Kansas Legal
Curriculum
Foreign Language
To Many Para's Explain to the Public
At this point the man said he will be back.
(At what cost is my question) He also said, Teacher turn over is about 5 years and if teachers are willing to move there are jobs out there.
Continuing with wants
A 10 Year Plan to Allow For Saving For It
(I missed a couple of ideas and I apologize for that, I did the best I could do.)
He says, now lets look at the lists and combine any that are similar, okay.
They combine a couple, but the one that sticks out for me are, Efficiency in Maintenance, Food Services, Office Staff, and Better Grade School Facilities (Keep this in mind) and Construction Grade School/Second Gym (Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President)
He now tells the board there are five blank post-it notes in front of you.
I want you to look at your list and choose the 5 most important wants and write the number of each in the middle of each post-it note.
He says now out of those five I want you to choose the mot important and mark it number one in the upper right hand corner, Now out of the next four chose the least important and mark it number 5 in the upper right hand corner, now mark the rest 2 and 3 and 4 in the upper right hand corner. He then ask each board member to tell him what their number 1 is and marks it on the papers hanging on the wall, then number 2 and marks them on the paper on the wall and so on through number 5.
Now he writes down their 5 choices on the big paper.
1. Facility Maintenance and Construction (can you see where this is going, keep watching)
2. Kids First
3. Curriculum
4. Teach Critical Thinking (good board member IMHO)
5. Foreign Language
6. Recruit and Retain Quality Teachers
Some board member said lets have 6 goals instead of 5, so there are 6 of them.
Next the man said we have your plan, there it is, now we need to look at issues that could affect this plan.
So he writes Issues on the big piece of paper and writes what the school board members say. They are:
Finances $
Public Relations With the Community
~ ~ ~The man says we will discuss methods later. History
At this point in the meeting the two coaches in the audience left the meeting.
Continue of Issues
Community Division
Make School Center of Community (Which Community)
The he writes Focus Groups on the big paper for this Professional Facilitator to talk with.
Student Body Focus Group
Teachers Focus Group
Administrative Team Focus Group
Construction Grade School/Second Gym
(Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President) Community Focus Group
(I find this one very, very special keep reading, you may not be special) Each Board Member to choose 5 Individual that they feel should be there and the School Superintendent will mail each one a special personal invitation. (how sweet is that, at least 35 special people in Elk County)
The meeting ends at this point. I found the meeting very interesting and entertaining.
Well are you ready for the, and from, the first list of wants, Construction Grade School/Second Gym
(Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President).I have been hearing on the street about building a wing onto the school for a grade school and a gym. How's that for coincidence?
They are worried about finances and lowering the mill levy, where is that critical thinking when you need it?
With the national and international financial crisis and the fiscal cliff and austerity, yes austerity right here at home in the USA and in Kansas and our recession/depression, what the heck is going on with the thinking? Some body help me out here, please? They want to build a grade school and nes gym and lower the mill levy how can they do that?
Sounds a lot like elk konnected, llc to me, how about you> They do have a konnected School Board President and who knows which others are konnected?
The outward resemblance to other Kommunity Konversations is amazing... post-it notes, easel boards & the Hegelian Dialectic - thesis, antithesis, and synthesis.... refined down to the Delphi Technique. Also noted is who is at the helm and the Konnections involved.
You raise some interesting points...
Are our board members not capable of local problem solving & down road planning without some 3rd party guru as a guide? Of course they are. But it seems the powers that be need a 'professional' to intervene. One must wonder why.
Ironically, it seems 'construction & new facilities' are miraculously floating to the top as high priorities.... again. Are the portable buildings so terribly overcrowded as to cause health and safety problems? Or are certain elites offended by the simple functionality and in need of more 'socially acceptable' (and expensive) facilities to house their precious progeny? I thought education of the kids was the ultimate goal... perhaps better paid & highly motivated teachers & a well crafted curriculum would better serve that end. Remember the 5.5 million dollar bond issue debacle a few years back?
One must also wonder who is ultimately behind the perceived 'need' for outside 'help'. The Superintendent? The Board President? The processes of organizational planning (even in democratically controlled operations) are well established. Use of facilitated direction (read: manipulation) in goal setting is, IMO, an insult to the intelligence of the majority of the duly elected board members.
I notice the cost control issue (Lower Mill Levy) didn't make the Final Five. I also notice that the opposite (and least related to education) 'Construction' made the top spot. Interestingly, the item most directly related to high quality education, 'Recruit and Retain Quality Teachers' was only an afterthought. Accidental idiocy or intentional control from behind? One wonders.
The Delphi Method for schools: http://www.societyforqualityeducation.org/newsletter/archives/delphi.pdf (http://www.societyforqualityeducation.org/newsletter/archives/delphi.pdf)
Wow, this old redneck is beginning to scare him self.
All that and I only recognized it as very weird and condescending to our elected officials,
I mean, they were in essence were spoke to and treated like 6th graders IMO. I know there was at least one that objected to bringing in the pro-manipulator, but once the game started peer pressure kept it going. However, it appeared to me that the konnected President of the Board was kicked back and smiling a lot as if enjoying watching the others jump through hoops while being told they are special.
I wonder when the others will wake up and realize they are being used and being duped?
When will they realize they were simply being manipulated by a pro and not doing the job they were elected for? How long will they allow the charade to continue?
Why will they allow this man to manipulate our school children in the same fashion?
Wake up time, haven't you school board members been paying attention?
The konnected NGO fails manipulation on the county level, so it goes after the school district, and the school children, right? Good choice.
You know, I never heard one motion, not one vote taken last night?
I did not hear one vote of approval from the School Board that allows our children or for that matter the Teachers or other staff to be manipulated by this Professional.
Why no proposal?
Why no second?
Why no vote?
Isn't that standard operational procedure for a school board?
The man simply invited himself to do what he wants, how does that work?
(He is an outsider, he doesn't live in Elk County)
I find something wrong with that, where does the man get permission to do what ever he wants.
Yep, I think our konnected School Board President is a failure at leadership and facilitating the school board meetings. Or is it he has a different agenda.
Sounds like the school board President or the Superintendent is trying to bambozzle the board members.
About 20 or 30 years ago, I asked a school board member at Caldwell why the schools take so much
money from the people He said that the school superintendents are not educators, they are promoters.
The government schools play an important part in the scheme of the Worldwide communist agenda.
Are you on board with 'em? I'm not.
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I personally am never on board with organizations or NGO's that either secretly or openly manipulate our elected officials, be it the School Board or County Government or by getting a member or members elected to a political position for control.
Just look at the mess it has made for our national government and our national economy?
I find it very troublesome, and if you oppose them or
challenge them by asking them to provide information,
they either:
start calling people names, i.e. outsider and even worse,
or bullying and belittling people,
or shrink into hiding just to re-emerge later!
Not good, not good at all, IMO!
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 27, 2012, 07:31:40 PM
Pure conjecture or wishful thinking. You and Ross are the 2 most negative things to come to elk county ever.
Would you care to review your own negative attitude about people wanting to learn what is going on with their elected officials!
Also how about your negative attitude towards peeople and their right to free speech
Now about your negative remark, I can only answer for myself!
If you are refering to me being negative about the NGO of konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks, know as elk konnected, llc and it's followers and their actions, I totally agree with you.
And that is a very positive thing!
The negative attitude about elk konnected, llc was perpetrated by their funky kommunity konversations and by their list on page one of this thread and the fact the followers tend to deny the list came from elk konnected, llc and was turned over to two konnected kounty kommissioners and on non-konnected County Commissioner. And this is a very positive thing to be negative about.
And the negative attitued is also perpetrated by the two konnected kounty kommissioners proposed, "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" they rushed to get approved before they lose control of our County Commissioners Board.
Who proposed this idea to the county commissioners, can you answer this simple question?
Was it the konnected kounty kommissioners NGO, elk konnected, llc?
I bet you don't dare answer those two questions, not honestly anyway.
Being negative can be a very positive thing.
Shooting someone can be avery negative thing, right?
Doesn't that depend on the full situation?
If the man being shot is about to kill someone, then couldn't the shooting be a very positive thing?
Just pointing out that a negative thing can be very good.
You sure seem to have a negative attitude going on, exceot I think you have a positive attitude that people shouldn't have freedom of speech.
You rock fella!
So what happened to all the Konnected ones?
Can't they answer any questions?
Or are they questioning their own position or thoughts?
I'd really appreciate some answers from the Konnected Ones, wouldn"t you?
Perhaps they're off chewing on the bone they just threw themselves and Kontemplating their next Konquest & Konversation... Agenda 21 Sustainability/Smart Growth for the Flint Hills & Elk Kounty.
Quote from: Patriot on November 29, 2012, 08:48:07 AM
Perhaps they're off chewing on the bone they just threw themselves and Kontemplating their next Konquest & Konversation... Agenda 21 Sustainability/Smart Growth for the Flint Hills & Elk Kounty.
I'd prfer to think they were reviewing their actions and attitudes
and the pain and damage they may be inducing in Elk County.
Wishful thinking I know!
Quote from: Ross on November 29, 2012, 08:54:07 AM
Wishful thinking I know!
Yep, it is. Freight trains don't stop on a dime, and greedy, self serving elitists only review their actions to make sure their plans are proceeding properly. Read legal notices in yesterday's paper.
Quote from: Patriot on November 29, 2012, 09:55:46 AM
Yep, it is. Freight trains don't stop on a dime, and greedy, self serving elitists only review their actions to make sure their plans are proceeding properly. Read legal notices in yesterday's paper.
All very Good points.
Well, here we go I finally received my property tax from the County!
Am I pleased with it?
Not hardly, when my property tax for:
County increased 5.63%
Cemetery increased 22.93%
Library increased 34.33%
Other increased 3.32% what is other?
School District 7.40%
And while the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners approved the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that awards, possibly their friends, family's, cronies, Konnected associates and possibly themselves, people with money the opportunity to receive TAX WELFARE referred to as tax rebate. Good Job, not hardly in my opinion. In fact piss poor leadership qualities in my opinion. Good leaders do not ignore the people they are suppose to be working for.
This is quite similar to what use to be referred to as corporate welfare in the federal government that people got tired of.
Should I be pleased with my property taxes?
Should I be pleased with the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners actions?
I don't think so, do you?
They know the majority of the taxpayers disapprove of the implementation of this program or they would have had it on the election ballot, don't you think? Don't you think they would have liked to have a fair and honest reply from the voters if they thought the people would have liked it?
I was unable to attend the County Commissioners hearing on this proposal and I really wanted to be there. However, it was reported that numerous people spoke out against approving the Program. It was reported that someone said that the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners weren't listening, to which they replied that they were. They may have been listening, but apparently they didn't hear, commonly know as selective hearing, because they approved the proposal any way. Who exactly, made this proposal to our County Commissioners? Did it just vaporize out of no where?
I did not hear a report about anyone being there that spoke about passing the proposal, so what did the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hear and why did they ignore what they heard from the citizens?
Why have a hearing if the decision is most likely predetermined before the County Commissioners Meeting is even convened?
Oh yea, the law says you have to have a hearing, right?
But the law does not say you have to actually hear the people, does it?
So much for a government of the people, for the people and by the people with a communist type situation, right?
No respect for the people or the people's government is there? How shameful!
Is the respect for the people being replaced by respect for Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO?
Why doesn't her NGO Stand Tall and Stand Out?
By that I am asking who are the Konnected ones?
Why do the Konnected Hide?
Where is there Konnected Kommunity?
Do you want an NGO controlling your West Elk School Board and your County Government?
Remember you never heard of Facilitators until Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC came along, now did you?
And why is the West Elk School Board doing allowing a high priced Facilitator do their job they were elected to do? And now it appears they are allowing him to do PR on the students, staff, faculty and the general public, why are they doing that? Isn't their primary duty to run the school and provide an education for the children? Or is it the primary job is to let a high priced Facilitator from who knows where to manipulate them, the students, the staff, the faculty and the general population? They said they even want people from out side the district to attend a manipulation session –er- sorry, a Facilitated session, by a high priced Facilitator and why? There goes our tax dollars.
Oh, I think they are going try to over come a history problem with-in the district!
The history of trying to pass a very expensive school building that failed. You know the one with the community shelter, right?
Is the history of referring to West Elk as Howard West Elk one of the history?
Was the Idea of moving the Howard City Limits at least a mile out to encompass the school, so they could really call it Howard West Elk? Were the rest of the people in the West Elk School District consider in such a selfishly thought plan, even considered? I think not.
Was Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC involved in most of that bad history?
Is it involved in the present situation with the School Board?
Where are the great Konnected ones today, with some real answers?
Are they going to remain in hiding?
Perhaps the Wizard of Oz might come forward with some answers?
Do you suppose he has any visionaries?
Are they possibly being told to keep their mouths shut?
Come out, Come out, wherever you are!
Stand Tall!
Stand Proud!
That is if you have anything to be proud of?
Do you have anything to be proud of?
Really, do you?
I'm having flash backs of Huey Long and Richard Daily
Quote from: oldfart on November 30, 2012, 01:25:08 PM
I'm having flash backs of Huey Long and Richard Daily
And you should be....
"The time has come for all good men to rise above principle." - Huey Long
"We have to face it: in America today the way to have fun and celebrate is to break a store window and take something. That's the way it is, today in America, and we have to accept it." Richard Daily
Seems we've reached the point where rising above principle and breaking in and taking something is a perfect description of many, if not most, our 'leaders', their perspectives and their policies.
Really
Nobody, Not One
Single Sole Admits Being A Member
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks
NGO
Elk Konnected, LLC
Is everyone ashaned of the Organization
?
I'd think you
would be celebrating or bragging
about screwing over the
majority of taxpayers of
Elk County,
So What's the Problem
?
Is There No PRIDE in the ORGANIZATION
?
Where are all those name callers?
Did the Followers finally realise they are not members, not insiders but actually outsiders being used as pawns?
Did they finally realise they have been being used and that is why the are called Followers?
Is that what happened and they finally woke up?
Where did they go?
soul.
ashamed
Diane, you need to be more thorough! ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Just one per post or I'll get yelled at for being picky. Besides, it was your turn. ;)
I think you hit the nail on the head.
The Followers should be ashamed for allowing themselves being used for so long.
But I'm proud of them for waking up, to being the used outsiders of an NGO.
Good job people.
Now if the government of both the county and the West Elk School District wake up and step up to the peer group pressure and become individuals and free thinkers, we would have governments of the people, for the people and by the people. Which would be a start for the whold country.
If the principles of our forefathers would have been followed we wouldn't have austerity happening in our country.
Ross when will you figure out the people of elk county do think for themselves. You are the one with the mentality problem. The
West Elk School Board is doing a great job in hard times.
Quote from: proelkco on December 01, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Ross when will you figure out the people of elk county do think for themselves. You are the one with the mentality problem. The
West Elk School Board is doing a great job in hard times.
Proelkco, you said it all, west elk is well run. Every year the west elk grads get a tremendous amount of scholarships, a large percent of the grads go onto higher education, very successfully. Every year the west elk students take high honors in every category.
Proelco, looks like you're on their side instead of the side of liberty.
Hard times for the government overlords at the schools? They seem
to be doing quite well at taking our liberties while their students excel in math and socialism.
Quote from: proelkco on December 01, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
The West Elk School Board is doing a great job in hard times.
Right! We do have
austerity going on with in our country, so that is all the more reason to
waste taxpayer's money, good plan. Thanks for pointing out the hard times.
I believe you are 100% right, they are doing a great job, of wasting a lot of money, on a great expense! That being an Actual Outsider a Very Expensive Professional Facilitator.
For what purpose?
Public Relations!
To try to smooth over County History!
History =
Attitude, $5.5 Million School Bond,
Howard no longer wanting to bus their kids to Moline,
and various and sundry problems.
Very Expensive Professional Facilitator manipulates the community at an open meeting to smooth it all over with kind words and even tells the audience of perhaps fifty or more special people that receive invitations in the mail and the rest of us how important we each are to the School District. Well, we know that 50 or so people will receive mailed invitations, don't we?
Why special post marked invitations for a few people, why the added expense in the hard times Proelcco?
The Very Expensive Professional Facilitator at the meeting instructed the Board members to make sure those folks show up, at the up coming meeting. I believe that is called name dropping, I bet some of those names end up in the newspaper.
Are you one of those special people that will receive a post marked invitation, Proelkco and should I be impressed? Will you be one of those special people manipulated by a post marked invitation?
I wish you didn't hide behind a fake name here on the forum, then we would know if you get
manipulated in going to the up coming meeting!
But that is the idea, Right?
For no one to know who is hiding, Right?
I also believe you are right, about the great job, most of the board members are doing, about not realizing
they are being manipulated by a very few of the other board members and their NGO! Just my personal opinion.
And you know what, I happen to actually respect and like several of the board members. And if this offends them, perhaps they should re-evaluate the job position they took on.
Quote from: proelkco on December 01, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Ross when will you figure out the people of elk county do think for themselves.
You seem to be indicating that people should not discuss, or have an Electronic Kommunity Konversation.
Or otherwise Shut Up people, this is none of your business!
But I'm sorry sir, it is public business and open for discussion and even questioning attitudes and actions.
So what is going on with the West Elk, School District and its elected School Board that you wish we would not discuss it, that you wish to hide?
You seem to have the same attitude; you had about the Elk County Commissioners Board and their NGO, elk konnected, llc?
You just don't seem to appreciate an Electronic Kommunity Konversation, is that perhaps because there is no facilitator from elk konnected, llc in control, manipulating the conversation and controlling the people.
Is it perhaps because Elk Konnected, LLC is getting that deeply imbedded on the West Elk School District School Board?
And you don't want anyone questioning their action?
So, perhaps it is you with the mentality problem.
I wish you would kindly review your opinion.
I think you might find that your blind faith in elk konnected, llc is hindering your thought process.
What roll do you actually play in elk konnected, llc?
When you finally figure out that name calling or such crap is not going to shut me up? What then?
The West Elk School Board is doing a great job in hard times.
[/quote]
Right!
They are doing a great job, of setting up the community with an outsider a Very Expensive Professional Facilitator to do Public Relations on Elk County because they can not think for themselves and work together as a school board. Or is there another reason?
It is the job of the Konnected School Board to Facilitate the School Board Meetings and if he lacks the leadership ability to do the job he was elected to do, shouldn't he let a different Board Member have the job? I believe the purpose of the School Board is to perform as a governing body of the people. And I believe their number one job should be to educate all the children. To prove that is their goal, I feel they should have a goal of becoming a Blue Ribbon School.
But it appears their goal is to become a Taj Mahal or put it in simpler terms a Big Fancy School Campus and I would like to hear from you Proelkco, just exactly how that would better educate the children.
Do fancy buildings teach?
I very much expected to see
Building and Construction at the top of the manipulated list generated by the Professional Facilitator. I expected that before even leaving to go to the meeting. Go figure and I don't even have a crystal ball.
Quote from: proelkco on December 01, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
You are the one with the mentality problem.
It is the job of the Konnected President of the School Board to Facilitate the School Board Meetings and if he lacks the leadership ability to do the job he was elected to do, shouldn't he let a different Board Member have the job? I believe the purpose of the School
Quote from: proelkco on December 01, 2012, 10:50:16 PM
Ross when will you figure out the people of elk county do think for themselves.
So are you saying don't discuss what is happening in the public domain of Elk County?I'm sorry, but that most likely will not happen.
I believe
Secrets, are not a good thing concerning the actions of public governors or board members.
Do you believe they are, Proelkco?
Why does my personal opinion disturb you so greatly, especially if everyone else is thinking for themselves?
Remember, I have said my opinions are only my own and might I add, no NGO's are involved with my opinions?
But anything on this forum, I believe is open for discussion.
Have a nice day, it's forming up to be really great out doors and that is where I am going.
TTFN
Ross, you've been had. The facilitator is going to razzle-dazzle them for something.
The citizens have the money and the school authorities/lobby want more of it.
Your facilitator 'expert' will get paid. Wonder why he doesn't get an honest job?
It's all about getting ahold of the money, your money - not education.
Quote from: redcliffsw on December 02, 2012, 09:11:57 AM
Ross, you've been had. The facilitator is going to razzle-dazzle them for something.
The citizens have the money and the school authorities/lobby want more of it.
Your facilitator 'expert' will get paid. Wonder why he doesn't get an honest job?
It's all about getting ahold of the money, your money - not education.
I agree it is about money and about building a wing for the grade school and very likely a new gym for the athletic department not educating the children.The actual education listed was a sixth of the five projects for long term planning.
That simply makes education an after thought.
Whatever happened to konnected kounty commissioners hendricks, NGO, elk konnected, llc and their Quality of Life Issue?
Wouldn't you think that communication of the facts in Elk County, to the citizens of Elk County would be vital to such an ambitious plan?
What happened to konnected kounty commissioners newspaper article in the paper following each konnected and non-connected County Commissioners meeting? No longer vital information?
Is there no longer a need for the citizens to be informed by the chairman of the board?
What was the real reason for those articles, was it PR to cover-up and to hide something?
If not, why did those articles from the konnected kounty kommissioner cease?
Or did the konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks and her NGO, elk konnected, llc get to busy?
Are they way too busy with the Konnected President of the West Elk School Board in acquiring that Very Expensive High Priced Professional FACILITATOR?
Is this another one of elk konnected, llc's big idea's and shouldn't it be listed on page one of this thread?
I believe three attorneys would probably be cheaper to hire, than this Very Expensive High Priced Professional FACILITATOR. IMO!
What could be so important to require spending that kind of money and taking that money away from the education dollars away from the children?
So what is "PRO" about that Proelco, I beg you for an answer?
What is "PRO" about wasting taxpayers money or giving it away?
What?
Good luck opposing that group of socialists. They'll well established with government money and support.
Your facilitator will be taking money from the deal and you all will be paying for his 'expertise'.
Many ought to stand. Stay right in there.
Well you notice Proelkco and konnected kounty commissioners NGO, elk konnected, llc can not defend themselves from being Pro-socialism of the kind that sucks the taxpayer dry can they?
They can't defend the Socialist taxpaying system of the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" and its WELFARE entitled rebates, can he?
They also can't defend the wrong doing of accepting applications before the program comes into official recognition, can they?
He also can't justify allowing projects that have been completed prior to the official recognition of the program, to be approved, can they?
I do believe the program calls for application before the project is started, how does that, work, inappropriately right, based on lies, right?
I do believe the program calls for approval before the project is started, how does that, work, inappropriately right, based on lies, right??
Those that wanted this Welfare Program want respect, yet they have no respect for themselves, or their own rules, do they?
They don't respect their own rules, of their own WELFARE program. So how do they deserve any respect from anyone else?
See the attitude here?
Zero respect for themselves or the rest of the society of Elk County, what a shame and a sham, huh?
I bet the bad attitude Elk County, Kansas is the worst it has ever been in Elk County, since the inception and birth of konnected kounty commissioners NGO, elk konnected, llc.
However, all this bad attitude has managed to get konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks promoted to that Position of PRESIDENT of, what's it called, let me see, oh yeah, public squares communities, inc of Leoti, Kansas. Hey, isn't that another outsider konnected Followers talk about?
What a complete farce in my opinion!
What a complete scam by our government!
Isn't that what we are gittiong from the school district board as well?
Oh, I know a couple of them mean well and can't do it on their own.
There is still time for HOPE!
There is still time for CHANGE!
As the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners so politely pointed out
With passage of the program to fix blighted area's, apparently
Elk County is a completely blighted area.
Thank you Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for that enlightenment!
Elk konnected, llc so proudly announced in an open letter that is still available
on the internet that the residents of Elk County and their individual city councils
would not co-operate with the rest of the communities or whatever, it was about as clear as mud. But to me it indicated complete despair for some people of the county.
And now it appears the School District wants to start the thing up again about building a new grade school or a wing on to the high school. Just forget the school was designed to hold 600 students and they only have 300 hundred students. Let's just keep spending money on buildings instead of on education. Also a new gym is an absolute need for teaching Geography, Math, English and Home Economics, isn't it?
But there is still time for HOPE!
But there is still time for CHANGE!
We have Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks President of Public Squares Communities, INC for bringing Elk Konnected, LLc to Elk County with the promise of a better Quality of Life, don't we?
So there really is still time for HOPE!
So There really is still time for CHANGE
We have received the miracle of outsiders called facilitators from elk konnected, llc to guide us in our decisions, right? Apparently local leaders are incapable of leading and brought in the outsiders called facilitators to lead us. Right?
There in lies our hope!
We even have the school board leadership that has brought in an outsider called a facilitator, I think they took a step up from elk konnected, llc and hired a very expensive professional facilitator to control us and to manipulate our thinking, oops my mistake I meant Facilitate us and our children for the School Board.
Just some weird twisted thoughts and mental problems I have.
Problems, I seem to be diagnosed with by the konnected Followers.
I sure hope no one else has an affliction of thinking for them selves.
So please just ignore this post, please! Thank you!
Should USD 282 and/or county employees be reading the Forum during work hours from government owned, taxpayer funded computers? What else are they doing when on the clock?
Just askin.
REHTORIC =
The art or study of using language effectively and persuasively.
Rhetoric is the art of discourse, an art that aims to improve the facility of speakers or writers who attempt to inform, to persuade, or motivate particular audiences in specific situations, to control and manipulate.
Ask any lawyer about the importance of being precise – or evasive – with language as needed.
Bill Clinton was a masterful practitioner of the Art of Word (I did not have sex with that woman...). Which, by certain Talmudic parsings, he didn't. Not exactly. Wiggle room, you see.
To undo it, there must be a rebirth of what they called in cowboy flicks, straight-talking. Calls things by their proper name – and challenge those who don't or won't. Make them say what they mean – openly. If you fail to do so, you've accepted their terms.
He'll soon be "asking" you to "help."
Infact he is doing it right now by asking you to come to a meeting.
Who is his personal contact in Elk County for his information for this meeting?
Who is his personal contact in Elk County to negotiate his pay with?
What is his goal, what is his job, after all he will not be giving a sermon from the good book, will he?
What is he asking you to help with?
Is it to help him accomplish the job he was hired to do?
What is his job, isn't it to manipulate you?
Watch how gracefully he does it, pay close attention?
Who is it that you think you are listening to, what is he an expert at?
Does he have your best interest in mind?
Does he work for you or someone else?
Where is his office, where is his home?
There are many more questions you should ask yourself about this stranger, beyond his education?
But his education, does it include any form of psychology?
Why would psychology be important, control purposes with out you knowing psychology is being used on you?
Give it some serious thought?
Why do you think certain people want to see this thread die?
Why does this thread worry some people so much?
Why do you think the Followers tell me to shut up?
Why? Is anyone required to read this junk? So, why?
Why do those that don't like it, read it and yell, "Shut Up"?
Just don't read it! Simple enough solution, right?
But no, they want to yell, "Shut Up"! Why?
You might want to go to the show -er- meeting tonight because it is going to cost you between $2000 an $5000 dollars or the School District tax dollars. We don't know how much because they don't want us to know this kind of public information. That's, that precise – or evasive – or no language type of information, don't you see?
Quote from: Ross on December 04, 2012, 07:34:24 AM
And now it appears the School District wants to start the thing up again about building a new grade school or a wing on to the high school. Just forget the school was designed to hold 600 students and they only have 300 hundred students. Let's just keep spending money on buildings instead of on education. Also a new gym is an absolute need for teaching Geography, Math, English and Home Economics, isn't it?
Ross - I work at the high school. You're implying we have wasted space or that the space is not being used wisely. I seriously would like some input on what options we have.
I work in a room that is used by students from before school begins to the end of the day. No breaks. There are several rooms doing double duty; a classroom in the corner of the library; classes taught in the cafeteria; virtually no play area when weather is bad and the elementary students can't go outside.
If you talk about grades instead of students - the building was designed to hold 6 grades (Jr-Sr High School) and now holds (with modulars) 14 grades, counting pre-school and kindergarten. Some of the grades are large enough to be divided into two classes.
Where would you put the students at different times during the day?
I'm sorry, I wasn't implying anything.
I was informed when that school building was built it was designed to hold 600 chiildren!
Are you saying it was not?
Or are you saying there are more then 600 student's in the school?
I don't get it, where did all the space go?
Maybe we need to hire a very expensive, very high dollar efficiency expert to look into the situation?
So what is wrong with the present arrangement with kids in the very expensive portable buildings that the school board deemed sufficient over the brick and mortar school building in Moline?
I'd imagine if they truly need a grade school building of brick and mortar that Moline might be encouraged to return the school building to the school district if politely asked.
Or is this and hasn't this really been about building a Taj Mahal in Howard?
Spending so much money and wanting to go into debt during a period of time our nation is dealing with austerity is not really a great idea, now is it?
It won't be built for free, will it?
Didn't the school district get the message from the voters, at the last bond election?
2/3rd voted it down! Only in the City of Howard had 2/3rd of Howard's voters voted for it.
Does it take a visionary with a crystal ball to figure out why such interest in Howard?
Howard is the home of our county seat, right?
Howard is home to Elk Konnected, LLC, right?
Howard is home ro West Elk where Elk Konnected, LLC, claims they went to school, right?
It is really all about want rather then need isn't it?
They will make all kinds of excuses to build a new grades school.
But, these are not prosperous times and it may be a long, long time before prosperous times return. We have to deal with austerity first, don't you see?
They were voted down once so what do you think will happen a second time?
Every one knows they will try again and if turned down again, they will try again.
Quote from: Ross on December 04, 2012, 05:58:14 PM
I'm sorry, I wasn't implying anything.
I was informed when that school building was built it was designed to hold 600 chiildren!
Are you saying it was not?
Or are you saying there are more then 600 student's in the school?
I don't get it, where did all the space go?
I'm saying you're comparing apples to oranges, that's all.
We used to raise chickens. When we gathered the eggs, we put them all in a bucket. If, instead, we had gathered them and immediately put them in egg cartons, we'd need different space to hold 5 dozen eggs. One group would fit in the bottom of a 5-gallon bucket. Five full egg cartons, though, wouldn't fit the same way in that space. It would be easier to carry the cartons in plastic sack. Same number of eggs, different space needed, though.
It's not a matter of how many students; it's a matter of how many grades are now using the buildings.
And my question was how would you arrange the students and classes in the current buildings?
What would you do now? Ideas?
How many grades were there in the former one-room school houses that provided
a better education than the very expensive pro-government schools nowadays.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on December 04, 2012, 11:38:30 PM
It's not a matter of how many students; it's a matter of how many grades are now using the buildings.
And my question was how would you arrange the students and classes in the current buildings?
What would you do now? Ideas?
All I can say is the word is the building was designed to hold 600 students.
If the space is being improperly allocated, that could be the problem.
And I am not in possession of the blue prints.
However, it sounds more like anadministrative problem then a square foot problem.
Perhaps put a few more administrators desks in one office, Each room has four corners and a desk could go in each corner, instead of one desk in the middle and more space could be utilized for the children. Just one simple idea.
Perhaps the problem would best be served by a survey of the building and a whole lot more econonomical.
Just curious, were you there arguing to save the Moline Brick and mortar Grade School with all those rooms for teaching?
The real issue at the moment is spending thousands an thousands of dollars on a very expensive outsider Facilitator to maniopulate the population of the West Elk School District which includes our children.
Do you think the school district needs to spend your tax dollars in this manner?
Mom is right, the building may be made to hold 600 students, but it is not equipped to hold so many different classes and grade levels. I have children that attend West Elk and have been in the building many times. I believe that there are about 15 classrooms. I know that one hallway has Jr. high math, jr. high science, jr. high resouce room, grade school resource room, computers/business, sixth grade class. The other hallway consists of high school english, spanish, government/history, high school math, high school science, jr. high english, high school resource room, and kindergarten. I am pretty sure that there is a a grade school library that is now being used 1/2 day for teaching an oversized grade school class. There is also a high school library that has a section set aside for tutoring. The vo-ag class is always busy, as is the woods/drafting classrooms, and the home ec classrooms. My child has told me that many times the cafeteria is even used for some classes throughout the day, and that multiple grade levels are taught PE in the gymnasium. From what I have seen and what my children have told me, I believe that the building is utilized to its full potential. Unless you want to include small grade school children into geometry/trig classes with juniors and seniors, or combine grade school science with a senior class of physics?
Red, if only times were that simple again. But the government has its nose so far into education that there are so many hoops that schools must jump through to receive funding to stay open. I truly don't believe that the government is concerned with true education for our children. The things that they feel are important for our children to learn are not necessarily what is best.
Very well stated Daisy.
Quote from: Ross on December 05, 2012, 09:07:03 AM
The real issue at the moment is spending thousands an thousands of dollars on a very expensive outsider Facilitator to maniopulate the population of the West Elk School District which includes our children.
Do you think the school district needs to spend your tax dollars in this manner?
Nope.
Where did all the space go?
More class rooms could be filling the space!
That simply sounds like an engineering problem within the building!
Are either of you engineers?
Shouldn't the powers to be, be looking into it?
Or is the goal simply to build a new building?
Is the only solution to spend, spend?
I think they already recieved the District taxpayers opinion on that solution, haven't they?
Does that mean the solution to the voters answer is to keep coming back at them,
only this time with a very expensive high priced outsider called a facillitator to manipulate the people?
Is that the answer you agree with?
Someone tomanipulate the School Board and the children (students) and the taxpayers?
Why exploit the children in an adult problem?
Go ahead tell me exploiting and manipulating the children is okay under the circumstances, I wnant to hear that, please?
This smells of Konnected Kounty Komissioner Hendricks NGO and they way they exploited the children, IMO.
But, I bet you are blind to the Konnection, even though the School Board President is Konnected, right?
It all sure smells of "The Old Guard" that Konnected Kounty Komissioner Hendricks has referred to in the past.
And I suspect this is just a manuvere to control the voters for an election for another School Bond and this is the only way to try to get enough votes in their favor. I don't believe the smoke screen will work, I pray the voters are smarter then that.
But I am jus an ignorant old fart of a redneck and I advise everyone to ignore all these posts.
I fail to see where anyone is exploiting children. Daisy and Mom both tried to converse with Ross and he gets more radical and snide. Not everything that happens is this county is elk konnected's doing.
Quote from: proelkco on December 05, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
I fail to see where anyone is exploiting children. Daisy and Mom both tried to converse with Ross and he gets more radical and snide. Not everything that happens is this county is elk konnected's doing.
And Proelco you continue to be condescending, another tactic I Believe stems from elk konnected, llc.
Not elk konnected, llc's doing's, then read the konnections below, and not radical, just check elk konnected, llc's web sight? Now I think you are trying to pull our leg, making a joke, right?
What is your definition of radical?
My definition of radical is spending taxpayers money in a wasteful manner such as hiring an expensive highly paid outsider to fFACILITATE the children of West Elk School District over taxpayer and school board problems.
And in my opinion that is exactly exploiting the children
(Using the children) to further someones agenda.
Ad to waste money on a Facilitator, when the West Elk District is suppose to have all those leaders called a SCHOOL BOARD and a President of the Board whose main Function is to Facilitate over the School Board.
Or are you suggesting that our leaders lack the ability to lead and need an outsider doing the job they were elected to do?
Now that is really radical, IMO!
Are you refering to the possible Konnections between konnected kounty kommissioner Hendricks, NGO, Elk konnected, LLC and the Konnected President of the School Board and the konnection of Facilitators as radical?
That's not radical, it is very possible!
Why do or what do the official members of Elk Konnected, LLC have to hide?
Who are the official members?
Why is it know one knows?
Why the secreativeness?
Isn't that the same way "The Old Guard" worked?
Cloaked behing closed doors, right?
So perhaps elk konnected. LLC is "The Old Guard" in anew dress?
Nothing radical about that, if no one has any answers, now is there?
But you know it is this kind of questioning and critical thinking that sets you followers off and then you start calling people names?
Well, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas to each and everyone of you Followers.
And I sincerely mean thatl
I am not offended by your comments.
But, I am still trying to converse with you and not pull your leg.
Quote from: daisy on December 05, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Mom is right, the building may be made to hold 600 students, but it is not equipped to hold so many different classes and grade levels.
Daisy I have a problem understanding how a building can be designed to accomodate 600 children and then not do it.
I was told the building was designed to add more class rooms for those additional students.
But also there ar only grades K through 12 and the grade shool children are in the portable buildings.
Perhaps they need the Moline Grade school back and the use the portable buildings for additional classes.
Or as I said before, put more administrators in a room. Maybe 4 to 6 of their desks in a room and clear up that many more rooms.
Could't they reduce the space for the teachers lounge or the foyer and put in walls for additional rooms, isn't that what the building was designed for, adding more rooms.
How about moving the School Superintendents office into the main building where his principles office is or vice versa and open up more rooms for teaching the kids?
I'm sure there are plenty of other options versus spending lots and lots of money, perhaps save as much as $5.5 million during these hard financial times which includes austerity.
It sounds to me like looking for excuses to continue what I refer to as (HTMS) Howard Taj Mahal Syndrome, instead of looking for more proper solutions, that's all I'm saying.
Ross,
Where did you get your information that the school was built to hold 600 students? Just wondering.
I don't remember what the original plans were. My Uncle Bob was on the school board at the time. I may call him and ask him if he remembers how many students the school was built for.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on December 05, 2012, 08:31:33 PM
Ross,
Where did you get your information that the school was built to hold 600 students? Just wondering.
I don't remember what the original plans were. My Uncle Bob was on the school board at the time. I may call him and ask him if he remembers how many students the school was built for.
From a few different people that don't want to be disclosed as to who they are.
You see, I'm retired and I don't have any debts, I have nothing anyone can threaten me with?
Even the threat of a lawsuit as stated earlier in this thread don't scare me. Not everyone is as fortunate. They could lose their job if someone wanted to go after them.
I've seen that happen in a different state. In fact I, had it happen to me, they spoke to my boss about firing me and they failed. That is what I think frustrates some of the followers, a few people on this forum don't have to worry about such things.
That is my personal opinion. After all you haven't heard of any lawsuits against me have you?
Quote from: proelkco on December 05, 2012, 03:26:11 PM
Daisy and Mom both tried to converse with Ross and he gets more radical and snide.
I had to give this statement a little thought,
And thought it might be fun and humorous of sorts, to accomadate your comment.
So, here we go! I hope, I get a passing grade. LOL
Now Proelkco this is definitely radical and snide from many directions, especially provided for you.
How about our economic development employee write a grant request for our school district to DHS? Couldn't you use free money to build a Taj Mahal type educational facility for 300 children as a national security situation under the premise that the education in such a facility as essential to national security. Providing improved intelligence for military service. Wouldn't that provide a better use for the funds then a bunch of cotton candy machines.
This way it would cost each taxpayer in Elk County far, far less in taxes. And you would be helping grow the national deficit instead of the local deficit, much more patriotic don't you think?
"DHS Grants Not Making Anyone Safer"
Department of Homeland Security's Urban Area Security Initiative (UASI) which provides government grants for the militarization of local police forces and other localized homeland security initiatives.
•
Michigan officials used DHS grant funding to purchase 13 sno-cone machines.
• Officials in Cook County, Ill., spent $45 million in DHS funds on a failed video surveillance network.
• City officials in Columbus, Ohio, were given $98,000 to purchase an underwater robot.
• The tiny New Hampshire town of Keene (pop. 23,000) bought an armored military vehicle for its 40 cops to use during patrols of the local pumpkin festival.
Given our nearly $16 trillion national debt, it's just money, our great-great-great grand kids will still be paying back! http://personalliberty.com/2012/12/06/dhs-grants-not-making-anyone-safer/
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/sites/default/files/dhs_grants_report_11_29_12_embargoed.pdf
Is this radical and snide enough for you Proelkco?
Does it exceed the Konnected School Board (facilitator) President's radical actions with local taxpayers money?
That is hiring an expensive highly paid facilitator to do the job that he ran for office for and got elected to do !
Leadership --- Humpf!
I hope, I have met or exceed what you call for radical and snide, I tried my best just for you!
And it wasn't easy, I did, I tried my best to appease you!
I hope you appreciate my efforts.
Can I get a grade: A, B, C. D, E, F ?? E for excellent! LOL
Humorous? No!
Quote from: daisy on December 05, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Red, if only times were that simple again. But the government has its nose so far into education that there are so many hoops that schools must jump through to receive funding to stay open. I truly don't believe that the government is concerned with true education for our children. The things that they feel are important for our children to learn are not necessarily what is best.
Daisy, you're right. So why send kids to government schools? Government schools are not going to get any better no matter
how much more money and funding they receive. Communism never improves and the schools will not improve either.
QuoteSo why send kids to government schools?
The alternative is Private school, and how will that work for the Elk County Farmer? (No snide remarks from me, as most of our small towns are minimally just above poverty level with more hours of hard work then the 9-5) Those that can afford it, will have to spend 2 hours/day driving to that school.
The other alternative is Home Schooling. Read above in parenthesis to know that one parent cannot afford to not work in order to stay home and teach.
The only alternative is a squeeze play option initiated by the government with good intentions of theory, however destructive in practice. and this is my opinion only: I can't live with you , and I can't afford to live without you.....
Have the administrative body of the school work from home, or better yet in the old Severy school that was disembowled to go to West Elk.
ready
Quote from: daisy on December 05, 2012, 11:10:05 AM
Red, if only times were that simple again. But the government has its nose so far into education that there are so many hoops that schools must jump through to receive funding to stay open. I truly don't believe that the government is concerned with true education for our children. The things that they feel are important for our children to learn are not necessarily what is best.
You know what Daisy, I think things on the local level, with the local governing school board gets even more complicated when they hire a facilitator which in my opinion is nothing more then a manipulator from Pittsburg. No, I am not intending to be rude or ugly towards you Daisy, it's just that you made me think a little more, thank you.
Just step back in time a few posts
Quote from: Ross on November 27, 2012, 11:54:12 AM
I attended the Special School Board meeting last evening and I thought I'd share it with you.
DID Dr. James C. Christman Professor/Professional Facilitator, or in my opinion manipulator do or say anything remotely complex or outstanding? No, he did not! I saw or heard nothing more then asking simple questions, very simple questions and that don't take a college degree to come up with. Oh, I saw him scribbling on huge sheets of paper on an easel and parading around the room and taping the paper on the wall. No big thing except for visual effects to make you believe he is actually working at something, IMO. Used car salesmen type stuff. And for how many thousands of dollars?
Remember as an after thought a sixth item was added to the planning list of five Recruit and Retain Quality Teachers. Why is building a new building first and Quality Teachers last?
Now follow that up with a Community Focus Group, ask why, is that for further control and manipulation?
Is that Control to build a school that the voters said no to?
What other reason is there to complicate things so much on the local level?
Who is behind bringing Dr. James C. Christman Professor/Professional Facilitator from Pittsburg into Elk County and the School Districts Business. Who brought him in to do what elected officials are suppose to be qualified to do? Aren't the school board members suppose to be working for the School District Taxpayers?
It appears to me they are working for Dr. James C. Christman Professor/Professional Facilitator, they will answer his simple questions and play his simple game of manipulation.
Why won't they answer a couple of questions for me or you?
Like, what individual is responsible for bring this man into the school district?
How much is the school district school paying him?
Is it to embarrassing for the person to take credit for this action/
The district superintendent told me the man had worked for the school district once before, but yet couldn't or wouldn't tell me how much he was paid, why?
It is public information.
If the school board wants input from the public, why do they choose to block the public at their meetings? If you have a problem at the school with your child and wish to address the board you have to ask to be placed on the agenda a week in advance. If the problem arises the day before the meeting, that means waiting until the next meeting. Effectively blocking the public.
But now, they say they want public input, but only through a manipulator and through peer group pressure? Good job complicating things on the local level in my opinion?
What is really going on?
Is it just about pushing for a new wing and a new gymnasium, out of the taxpayer that is already being over taxed?
You property owners including myself will pay thousands of tax dollars to a Professor/Professional Facilitator/Controller/ Manipulator to ask simple questions and our board members will answer to him a real outsider from Pittsburg, what is with that? The board members won't answer to your or my simple questions, go figure.
How many thousands is this man going to cost us before this B.S. is stopped?
Will it be $25,000
$35,000
$45,000
or $50,000 ? You didn't think he was doing this junk for free did you?
I wonder how much he cost the School District the first time he was here, and what did he accomplish that time?
Jeez, I went up to the school district office to day asking for information on a formal Open Records Request under Kansas Statutes. I brought with me a signed hand written request and the school accepted but required I sign their own form, which I understand is not a requirement by law. That was simply asking to look at information. But when it comes to documentation concerning thousands of dollars, there is no documentation, none except for an itinerary. Go figure~what the heck is going on?
I asked to inspect any invoices, receipts, agreements, memorandums or contracts involving the school district, district employees/officials and Dr. James C. Christman. Including any e-mails as well.
I was told there is no contract, invoices, receipts, agreements, memorandums or contracts and I was given only one e-mail, which showed his itinerary for today. I'll list that in a few moments.
I was told every thing is being done verbally, I find that rather suspicious, because I don't believe that is how the school district is suppose to work when contracting anyone or any business, it leaves the door open for all kinds of activities, and is just not proper in my opinion. But then I'm not an expert on that, and I ain't no college educated person. So I'll leave that up to you to decide for yourself.
I was verbally informed that the professor was only being paid $2,000 plus expenses for his work?
Only $2000 for doing the work of the people that we voted into office to do. Why?
Well, I was informed because the school board members can not work together, I guess that is a good enough excuse to hire Dr. James C. Christman Professor/Professional Facilitator from Pittsburg to do it for them.
His itinerary tomorrow:
1 p.m. Meet with the administrative team (Bert, Juli, Paula, Chris, Kevin, Dana, and Mary M.
2 p.m. Meet with Students
2:50 p.m. Meet with Classified Staff
3:45 p.m. Meet with Licensed Staff
6:30 p.m. Meet with Parents/Patrons/Public
But that brings me to the study that the school board paid Emporia State University to run a year ago. The one with the meetings and the on line survey. The survey that appeared that an attempt was made to keep quiet. We were told at their meeting that those college folks would return for a meeting to discuss the results. They never came back, I wondered, why we never heard from them again. Didn't you?
Well, I was informed today that the results were showing that everything was just right at West Elk. They didn't say it, but it was shown they were not happy with the results of that study. So we never saw it. Apparently those educated people at Emporia State University ain't smart or savy enough for West Elk USD, so, what does that tell us?
If it at first we don't get what we want, try, try again, right! Or lets use someone else to give us what we want, is that it? Does this college man know something that group of learned people from Emporia State University don't know? Perhaps, he know something all those other college educated people don't, so let's give him a hear and see what happens, what do you say?
Perhaps he knows how to manipulate things better, is that it?
Can he manipulate getting a build extension or perhaps a new school buiding out of us, that we can not afford?
What is the excuse for a new wing or building?
Get the kids out of the portable buildings because of tornados, is what I am told? Really! I suppose that the other building would be safe if hit by a tornado, give me a break!
I was informed that children were kept in the portable buildings in Moline for fifteen years and I wonder just what is the difference between now and then? Is it because they were not located just outside of Howard?
Didn't Howard want to build a community Tornado shelter within the proposed $5.5 million school building not long ago.
Yes, professor I do believe that is the whole idea for this exercise, why you may ask? Well, I did not hear a single thing about increasing the education level of the school to a Kansas Blue Ribbon School. There are 51 blue ribbon schools in Kansas. These schools have been recognized by the Department of Education for achieving superior standards of academic excellence. Why isn't that a goal of the school board? Wouldn't that mean a better education for all of the children?
Why isn't that at the top of the list of goals?
If you were not one of the special citizens that recieved a special letter in the mail inviting you to the upcoming event.
Let me share my invitation with you, no I did not recieved a special letter in the mail, I'm not good enough, I'm just a taxpayer, just like you.
The invite is here on the forum at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14684.0.html hope to see you there.
I forgot to mention I was also informed that the adult school board members can not work together and accomplish anything.
And I wonder what that means. Who determines that? There are seven votes which means if a majority of four votes are for something, something got accomplished and if there four votes against something, something got accomplished, IMO.
So what does that statement mean nothing gets accomplished?
Does that mean that one of two members are unhappy enough with the process that they have to have a facilitator?
Really, I don't understand what they are thinking?
Can some one explain?
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.pe
I copied and pasted your link....it doesn't lead anywhere.
check again.
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on December 10, 2012, 06:20:54 PM
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.pe
I copied and pasted your link....it doesn't lead anywhere.
check again.
ready
Thanks ready I corrected it.
Should have been http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14684.0.html
thank you
The school board members "not working together" is probably a good thing except
for the $2,000 "investment" in the expert facilitator.
It would be interesting to know who granted the approval for the "investment"?
I doubt it was the bus driver or the basketball coach.
You can hope they'll cut the investment loss at $2,000 plus expenses by continuing
to "not working together".
Looks like the Saul Alinsky Method has come to Elk County USD 282: http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Educate/alinsky_method.htm (http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Educate/alinsky_method.htm)
What The Heck Is The Alinsky Method?
The education establishment in this country, at all levels, continually decries the absence of parental involvement in the everyday process of educating the young people of this country. We are asked to volunteer time to ease the burdens on the teachers. We are NOT expected to assume that we will have any input into decisions effecting what they will be taught or how the teaching process is to be done. ..
..It is interesting, and EXTREMELY important to Americans, both as parents and as citizens, to clearly understand just HOW the "squeezing out" process takes place. It is a well defined, if not well perceived, process known as the "Alinsky Method" (which was derived from a procedure named as "The Delphi Technique.") This method of manipulating people is based on the fact that people in groups tend to share a common knowledge base and display certain identifiable characteristics known as "group dynamics."...
Do I need to eat crow? No, I don't think so.
I may have erred on the side of caution and I say I may have erred!
I was informed by Mr. Moore that Dr. James C. Christman Professor Facilitator wanted to meet me because of what I had posted on this forum about facilitators and because he did not believe I understood what he was trying to do.
Well, I walked into the school this evening and he was the first person I bumped into. I walked straight up to him and introduced myself and not really knowing what to expect! I am no expert on trickery but, I did not sense any from him. And we visited for a few minutes and I really enjoyed the gentlemen. His actions did not represent anything that I might expect.
I then saw Mr. Moore another gentleman that I happen to like and I informed him that I had just met Colonel Sanders. And he laughed. Dr. Christman really had a striking resemblance to Colonel Sanders.
This old redneck does appreciate something's. LOL
Anyway, I counted about thirty people which included myself and the Sheriff and a Deputy and a few staff members and at least one school board member and maybe three elk konnected, llc people. Not much of a turn out I don't know how many were the ones that received the special letters of invitation. However if the school board members followed their instructions and invited 5 people each and insure that they show up, they failed. I know at least 5 that did not receive special invitations. So that left 25 that may have received special invitation. That's ten short of the special that were suppose to be under the influence of the school board. Too bad, there appears to be apathy among some of the elite.
The meeting got started and the poor professor had to work pretty hard to drag any responses out of the few people that were there. There was no post it notes tonight, there was no easel with a huge tablet on it, just the professor trying to get people talking.
I heard a remark about over crowding in the school; I heard remarks about FEMA helping pay for a community storm shelter. I heard a remark about the state cutting money out of the budget for schools. I heard a remark that more of the resources for the school will have to come from the local community? I heard a remark that the people can't afford it.
I wish my hearing was better, but even with hearing aids, I still have a lot of trouble hearing. I hear from others with hearing aids, they have the same problem. So, I can't tell you everything that was said, and I apologize for that.
Oh there was talk about communication and something said about mis-information by people talking amongst them selves at the coffee shop and such. LOL I would like to ask that person, Mis-information as determined by who? And if you have the proper information, why don't you post it right here and answer any questions asked about it. Now, that would be communicating, wouldn't it? Or is it that, if people don't agree with you, it is considered mis-information? Please clarify?
After the meeting I spoke with Dr. Christman again and I asked him if he knew of the study we paid the Emporia State University to do for our school district and he said no. I informed him that the follow up visit from the University never happened and that the Universities printed results were never published as promised.
I asked him if he knew about the grade school building at Moline and he said no!
I had been informed he had been given all the information about the school district but apparently he had not. How can this man do a completely honest job of helping the school district by with holding pertinent information from him?
I reiterate, I liked the gentleman and now I feel sorry for him and the lack of all information being provide to him to be able to do his job properly. Now there is mis-information by omission in my opinion!
This is simply my opinions and observations and you can totally ignore all of it if you so desire.
I have had a long hard day and I'm tired, so good night my friends,
Well I took a look at the newspaper and the picture of Dr. Christman is just not what I saw last night. Last night he had a small goatee and I swear he resembled Colonel Sanders and I really liked it.
But anyway they referred to a centralized campus and that our students like going to school in one place. Actually in my own personal opinion that translates to Howard parents don't like busing their children to other communities! But hey let's leave it up to the children to decide what is best for the school budget and how much the property owners get taxed. That makes a whole lot of sense, doesn't it?
And that idea of a Centralized Campus doesn't that remind you a little bit of page one of this thread from Elk Konnected, LLC? Centralized this and Centralized that. Centralized Unified Government, does that ring a bell?
How about that, doesn't that tie right in with the long term facilities plan for remodeling, upgrades and future construction. What is the future that they are talking about? Isn't tomorrow and next week or next year the future?
Construction of what?
How about some specifics?
Or why have such an exercise?
What are they actually planning?
Are they planning to raise our taxes to build a new school building or add a grade school wing to the existing building with a new gym and a storm shelter for Howard?
Is it they don't want you to know what their specific thoughts are?
Is it because of the remark printed in the paper that there are still wounds from shutting down schools?
Would it be more economical to build a wing on to West Elk for a Grade School with a gym and a storm shelter for Howard?
Or would it be more economical to re-open the Moline Grade School where there is already a gym?
I believe it was the Konnected School Board President that suggested Construction at West Elk!
I've heard some worry about the children being in the portable buildings because of Tornados! Why weren't they worried for the fifteen or so years that children were in portable buildings at the Moline Grade School? Why didn't they want to add a wing to the school at that time? I believe economics played a major roll most likely.
Just look at today's economics on a national level, which affects the local economics.
The Federal Reserve has been running a perpetual Quanitative Easing of $40 Billion a month purchasing mortgage bonds which just today has been increased by $45 Billion a month purchasing Treasury Bonds. To me that shows a strong indication of fear on their part about what might be coming down the pike.
Also read the article in todays newspaper from the School District Superintendent USD 286, our neighbor. He calls it The Good, The Bad & The Ugly. I believe he is trying to remain optimistic through everything.
So, do we want to go crazy spending money building a new school?
Especially with the continuing decline in population?
The first study, we paid for from the Emporia State University was never presented to us? Why? I understand it said we were doing just fine. If so why hire a second one done? Why?
Talk at the meeting was to utilize the internet to communicate with the population of the school district, but they won't do it. Why?
Oh heck I'm done for the moment with my questions and suggestions that never get answered by those that claim leadership abilities.
I just received a phone call fro an outstanding member of Elk County that asked me to post the e-mail of Dr. Christman.
Dr. Christman gave out his e-mail last night and said feel free to e-mail him with your ideas and opinions or anything else you wanted to contact him about. He said he would be pleased to hear from you. Okay a disclaimer; they are not his exact words, thank you.
jchristman@pittstate.edu . Please say howdy for me. In my own personal opinion he is a fine person.
Tell him what you think, tell him what you know; it will help him with his work for West Elk School District. I don't believe he know everything he should know to perform his job properly. I believe some information was probably omitted. Just my opinion.
Quote from: Ross on December 12, 2012, 06:51:04 PM
I've heard some worry about the children being in the portable buildings because of Tornados! Why weren't they worried for the fifteen or so years that children were in portable buildings at the Moline Grade School? Why didn't they want to add a wing to the school at that time? I believe economics played a major roll most likely.
Ross, just where were these portable buildings at the Moline Grade School?
I was wondering that to Flint. I think it is like that 60,000 Square Feet house someone was buliding in Elk County.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 07:16:16 PM
Ross, just where were these portable buildings at the Moline Grade School?
Setting right where they are today. Drive by and take a look for yourself.
In fact Elk Konnected, LLC was going to use one of them for their daycare.
By the way what happened to that daycare project, is that just another failure of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I mean, I tried to help them, I got them a couple of appliances they were begging for.
If it has turned into another failure for them I'm sure sorry to hear that.
Quote from: Oldtimer on December 12, 2012, 08:07:02 PM
I was wondering that to Flint. I think it is like that 60,000 Square Feet house someone was buliding in Elk County.
That was simply a typographical error, so your point would be what?
Did someone tell you Followers you could start up with the harrassment again?
Did someone give you permission, huh?
Well, welcome back, I'm sure everyone has been as worried about you Followers as I have.
Merry Christmas to you followers.
It's just to bad the leaders and the visionaries don't join us.Perhaps one day they will come out of hiding, do you suppose?
Quote from: Ross on December 12, 2012, 08:44:11 PM
Setting right where they are today. Drive by and take a look for yourself.
In fact Elk Konnected, LLC was going to use one of them for their daycare.
By the way what happened to that daycare project, is that just another failure of Elk Konnected, LLC?
I mean, I tried to help them, I got them a couple of appliances they were begging for.
If it has turned into another failure for them I'm sure sorry to hear that.
1. The only building (singular) on the Moline Grade School property that is not part of the two main buildings is an all steel, built on-site, metal building on a concrete slab that housed the pre-school when the grade school was in operation. It is not a 'portable' or 'modular'. I don't know where you came up with the information you have posted, including the plural "they" part. I have lived or owned property adjacent to the Grade School since 1983, so I think I might have first hand information on this subject.
2. No one within or outside of Elk Konnected told me to do anything. I am merely trying to correct information that you have presented. Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you has to be 'Konnected'. Konnected citizens are not the only ones that might have first-hand information that contradicts your assumptions.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
1. The only building (singular) on the Moline Grade School property that is not part of the two main buildings is an all steel, built on-site, metal building on a concrete slab that housed the pre-school when the grade school was in operation. It is not a 'portable' or 'modular'. I don't know where you came up with the information you have posted, including the plural "they" part. I have lived or owned property adjacent to the Grade School since 1983, so I think I might have first hand information on this subject.
Okay, I'll concede to what you say. But I have often heard of them referred to as portable buildings and I know they have access through two doors to the outside at the front of them. Still not much difference between them and a portable building that is properly anchored, now are they?
But perhaps if your point is strong enough all the more reason to reopen the Moline Grade School with it's gymnasium, huh? It would be far cheaper and perhaps the most economical way to go versus building a new school building during these financially trying times. Or do you seriously believe the voters outside of Howard are going to vote for a multi-million project? There are always better ways to solve problems, if real solutions are sought in earnest.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
2. No one within or outside of Elk Konnected told me to do anything. I am merely trying to correct information that you have presented. Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you has to be 'Konnected'. Konnected citizens are not the only ones that might have first-hand information that contradicts your assumptions.
Why is it that most followers have to be nasty in their responses and frequently threatening and into name calling?
And why is it at certain times all the Followers go dead silent at the same time?
Or are you one of the visionaries?
Who are the Konnected citizens you are referring to? Or is being a Follower a shameful thing? This, I believe is the first time I have heard the term Konnected Citizens and I find that very interesting. Could you elaborate on that, please?
Clue us all in?
Is the movement changing?
Does anyone, anyone at all belong to Elk Konnected, LLC?
Thanks for that slight bit of enlightenment!
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 12:52:14 AM
Why is it that most followers have to be nasty in their responses and frequently threatening and into name calling?
And why is it at certain times all the Followers go dead silent at the same time?
Or are you one of the visionaries?
Who are the Konnected citizens you are referring to? Or is being a Follower a shameful thing? This, I believe is the first time I have heard the term Konnected Citizens and I find that very interesting. Could you elaborate on that, please?
Does anyone, anyone at all belong to Elk Konnected, LLC?
Are you saying I am a follower, and was being nasty and threatening? If so, none of what you stated is true. I am also not a visionary in the way you mean it, though I have a lot more vision than you do.
Why did you elevate Konnected citizens to a proper noun of Konnected Citizen. You did that, not me. Is it not true that those who are in Elk Konnected are also citizens?
Why must you always attach an assumption or implication to anything that is written that is detrimental to your view of things?
There are many members of Elk Konnected, LLC. I have known most of them personally for many years, and their names have appeared on this website many times. Why are you still asking the same question that has been answered repeatedly?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 01:54:31 AM
Are you saying I am a follower, and was being nasty and threatening? If so, none of what you stated is true. I am also not a visionary in the way you mean it, though I have a lot more vision than you do.
I guess I may be sayng you sure soumd like one and that is just my personal opinion.
What now, is being a Konnected visionary a bad thing now with all those fancy visions?
Didn't your remarks about the Moline Grade School enhance the vision of re-opening it?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 01:54:31 AM
Why did you elevate Konnected citizens to a proper noun of Konnected Citizen. You did that, not me. Is it not true that those who are in Elk Konnected are also citizens?
Right here, read it, you called them Konnected Citizens,
I simply, said I had never heard to the term before. So don't lay the blame on me.
I did not do any elevating, if that is what has happened.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
2. No one within or outside of Elk Konnected told me to do anything. I am merely trying to correct information that you have presented. Why is it that anyone that disagrees with you has to be 'Konnected'. Konnected citizens are not the only ones that might have first-hand information that contradicts your assumptions.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 01:54:31 AM
Why must you always attach an assumption or implication to anything that is written that is detrimental to your view of things?
Do you mean sort of like your own vision by making this statement?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 01:54:31 AM
There are many members of Elk Konnected, LLC. I have known most of them personally for many years, and their names have appeared on this website many times. Why are you still asking the same question that has been answered repeatedly?
How many? 5? 6? 10?Well anyway, perhaps, because I haven't read any names except for Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau and The Konnected Kounty Economic Development and Youth Development and Konnected School Board President.
But who are the registered or bonafide members of Elk Konnected, LLC members not just the Followers?
Hey, I'm listening for real answers!
You didn't answer, what would be the
most economical to build new class rooms for the grade school students in the form of a wing to West Elk or to
re-open the Moline Grade school with a few repairs?
So do you really think the citizens and taxpayers outside of Howard will vote for a new bond package during the hard economical times of austerity and major perpetual stimulus packages? Do you really believe that or perhaps do you believe they would
prefer some common sense?
Flint, I think Ross just made a typo , kind of like the 60,000square house being built. After all isn't a metal building on a concrete slab kind of like a portable building, NOT.
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
I guess I may be sayng you sure soumd like one and that is just my personal opinion.
What now, is being a Konnected visionary a bad thing now with all those fancy visions?
Didn't your remarks about the Moline Grade School enhance the vision of re-opening it?
Right here, read it, you called them Konnected Citizens,
I simply, said I had never heard to the term before. So don't lay the blame on me.
I did not do any elevating, if that is what has happened.
Do you mean sort of like your own vision by making this statement?
How many? 5? 6? 10?
Well anyway, perhaps, because I haven't read any names except for Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau and The Konnected Kounty Economic Development and Youth Development and Konnected School Board President.
But who are the registered or bonafide members of Elk Konnected, LLC members not just the Followers?
Hey, I'm listening for real answers!
You didn't answer, what would be the most economical to build new class rooms for the grade school students in the form of a wing to West Elk or to re-open the Moline Grade school with a few repairs?
So do you really think the citizens and taxpayers outside of Howard will vote for a new bond package during the hard economical times of austerity and major perpetual stimulus packages? Do you really believe that or perhaps do you believe they would prefer some common sense?
Ross - there is a big difference between Konnected citizen (small c) [Reply 5040 - "Konnected citizens are not the only ones that might have first-hand information that contradicts your assumptions."] and Konnected Citizen (capital c) [Reply 5041 - "This, I believe is the first time I have heard the term Konnected Citizens and I find that very interesting."].
You did that, not me. And it wasn't a typo on your part, it was on purpose. My statement merely meant a citizen as in a person, a resident, a member of society. By capitalizing it, you made it into a proper noun, as if it was a title. And you did it on purpose.
You also tried to make it seem as if I was advocating the return of the grade school classes to the former Moline Grade School grounds, which I am not. [Reply 5041 - "But perhaps if your point is strong enough all the more reason to reopen the Moline Grade School with it's gymnasium"]. That was not my point and you know it, just more gerrymandering of statements made by others - twisted into something that they are not, so you can make it appear someone else is saying what you want to hear, and want others to believe.
This is why so few people choose to ever engage you on this Forum. You elevate, escalate, and enhance others writings to make things sound more provacative, taking others words and making them into something they are not. And you do it on purpose!
Your continual excuse of making a typographical error wore thin a long time ago.
[Reply 5039 - "It's just to bad the leaders and the visionaries don't join us.Perhaps one day they will come out of hiding, do you suppose?"]
Why would they? All you would do is manipulate their statements and use them against them. What you do is worse than gotcha tactics or even yellow journalism. And you do it on purpose.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Ross - there is a big difference between Konnected citizen (small c) [Reply 5040 - "Konnected citizens are not the only ones that might have first-hand information that contradicts your assumptions."] and Konnected Citizen (capital c) [Reply 5041 - "This, I believe is the first time I have heard the term Konnected Citizens and I find that very interesting."].
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nothing said.
If you can't
dazzle them with brilliance,
baffle them with bullshit, right?
Sure I put the capital C on there to emphasize your comment, not denying that at all.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
You did that, not me. And it wasn't a typo on your part, it was on purpose. My statement merely meant a citizen as in a person, a resident, a member of society. By capitalizing it, you made it into a proper noun, as if it was a title. And you did it on purpose.
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nothing said. Except my errors are Purposeful, very interesting!
I do recognize I failed to communicate my point properly or you miscontrued the point, but heck I can't find that college diploma.
If you can't
dazzle them with brilliance,
baffle them with bullshit, right?
Sure, I put the capital
C on there, to emphasize your comment, not denying that at all.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
You also tried to make it seem as if I was advocating the return of the grade school classes to the former Moline Grade School grounds, which I am not. [Reply 5041 - "But perhaps if your point is strong enough all the more reason to reopen the Moline Grade School with it's gymnasium"]. That was not my point and you know it, just more gerrymandering of statements made by others - twisted into something that they are not, so you can make it appear someone else is saying what you want to hear, and want others to believe.
I did not twist anything. I asked you and received no answer, why?
More of that Yadda, yadda, yadda,
Nothing said, Nothing answered, why?
Here read it again:
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 06:25:21 AM
Hey, I'm listening for real answers!
You didn't answer, what would be the most economical to build new class rooms for the grade school students in the form of a wing to West Elk or to re-open the Moline Grade school with a few repairs?
So, do you really think the citizens and taxpayers outside of Howard will vote for a new bond package during these hard economical times of austerity and major perpetual stimulus packages? Do you really believe that or perhaps do you believe they would prefer some common sense?
I did suggest that you made some strong points about re-opening thew Moline Grade Schools and that was not meant to be offensive but merely a compliment. So who is twisting who's words?
Others have also made strong points for re-opening the school. For instance over crowding of students.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
This is why so few people choose to ever engage you on this Forum. You elevate, escalate, and enhance others writings to make things sound more provacative, taking others words and making them into something they are not. And you do it on purpose!
Wow! You make me sound like a college educated scholar and this high school flunky, redneck hick appreciates the compliment! Thank you. Too bad it's not the truth. Where was that dad gum diploma when a person needs it?
No, I think you are wrong in your assessment, I think they are afraid of open and honest dialog and that perhaps they don't like having the truth be known. Now don't get your feathers all ruffled, I'm entitled to my personal opinion just as you are.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Your continual excuse of making a typographical error wore thin a long time ago.
What! I'm not allowed typographical errors?
How about misspelling of words?
How about bad grammer?
Am I allowed poor punctuation?
Check out your typographical error or was that intentional?
No space after the period between the sentences?
Really, I don't mind the error and I bet it ain't your first.
I do understand that, because, I don't always use spell checker.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
[Reply 5039 - "It's just to bad the leaders and the visionaries don't join us.Perhaps one day they will come out of hiding, do you suppose?"]
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Why would they? All you would do is manipulate their statements and use them against them. What you do is worse than gotcha tactics or even yellow journalism. And you do it on purpose.
What the heck is yellow journalism?
Please stop talking over my head!
Now I gatta Google that!
I must have at least a
PHD by your assessment, how lucky can a guy be that has no college time under his belt at all. I must be so good that the really college educated can not comprehend my superior abilities. But what the heck, I don't either, isn't that amazing. LOL I only understand the truth. And that frequently elludes me in this thread.
All that
Razzle Dazzle is over my head.
So could you provide some simple answers to the above question?
Inquisitive minds would like to know?
Thank you ever so much for your time and input!
,
I wasn't aware how wide spread poverty is in the US until this morning when I heard on the radio that 150 million people are living at or near or below the official poverty level. And someone said at the meeting the other night that Elk County is one of the poorest counties in Kansas? Did you know that? Would you take that information into account when making financial decisions? Would you also take into account the continuing reduction of Elk County's population?
Well golly gee, ya think I'm journalist now, how about that?
I just don't believe I fit the mold of a journalist?
I looked up yellow journalism at http://academic2.american.edu/~wjc/yellowjo/
It's not all bad, it helps sell newspapers and the news media in general.
Are you by chance against the economics of selling newspapers?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:54:49 AM
Why would they? All you would do is manipulate their statements and use them against them. What you do is worse than gotcha tactics or even yellow journalism. And you do it on purpose.
How can I use their statements against them, unless of course their statements are misleading. But then all I do is ask for clarification? Asking questions must be wrong, is that right it?
Where is the gotcha if their statements are complete and truthful?
I'm sorry your ideas do not fit my profile.
However, I believe the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and her NGO do fit the discription?
And I also believe that the term yellow journalism probably fits their style, right along with the school board wanting a plan to build/construct and along with the County Commissioners "Neighborhood Revitalivation Program"!
Yes sir, Mr. flintaqua I think you hit the nail right on the head!
And that go hand in hand with:
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Even Professor/Dr. Christman suggested communication on the internet with the citizens. Is he wrong?
Sure I plagiarize. Because I got no edumacation in college.
But thanks again for considering me educated enough to know yellow journalism, especially since I don't even know journalism.
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 10:52:59 AM
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nothing said.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit, right?
Sure I put the capital C on there to emphasize your comment, not denying that at all.
Yadda, yadda, yadda. Nothing said. Except my errors are Purposeful, very interesting!
I do recognize I failed to communicate my point properly or you miscontrued the point, but heck I can't find that college diploma.
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit, right?
Sure, I put the capital C on there, to emphasize your comment, not denying that at all.
I did not twist anything. I asked you and received no answer, why?
More of that Yadda, yadda, yadda, Nothing said, Nothing answered, why?
Here read it again:
I did suggest that you made some strong points about re-opening thew Moline Grade Schools and that was not meant to be offensive but merely a compliment. So who is twisting who's words?
Others have also made strong points for re-opening the school. For instance over crowding of students.
Wow! You make me sound like a college educated scholar and this high school flunky, redneck hick appreciates the compliment! Thank you. Too bad it's not the truth. Where was that dad gum diploma when a person needs it?
No, I think you are wrong in your assessment, I think they are afraid of open and honest dialog and that perhaps they don't like having the truth be known. Now don't get your feathers all ruffled, I'm entitled to my personal opinion just as you are.
What! I'm not allowed typographical errors?
How about misspelling of words?
How about bad grammer?
Am I allowed poor punctuation?
Check out your typographical error or was that intentional?
No space after the period between the sentences?
Really, I don't mind the error and I bet it ain't your first.
I do understand that, because, I don't always use spell checker.
What the heck is yellow journalism?
Please stop talking over my head!
Now I gatta Google that!
I must have at least a PHD by your assessment, how lucky can a guy be that has no college time under his belt at all. I must be so good that the really college educated can not comprehend my superior abilities. But what the heck, I don't either, isn't that amazing. LOL I only understand the truth. And that frequently elludes me in this thread.
All that Razzle Dazzle is over my head.
So could you provide some simple answers to the above question?
Inquisitive minds would like to know?
Thank you ever so much for your time and input!
,
I wasn't aware how wide spread poverty is in the US until this morning when I heard on the radio that 150 million people are living at or near or below the official poverty level. And someone said at the meeting the other night that Elk County is one of the poorest counties in Kansas? Did you know that? Would you take that information into account when making financial decisions? Would you also take into account the continuing reduction of Elk County's population?
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
Well golly gee, ya think I'm journalist now, how about that?
I just don't believe I fit the mold of a journalist?
I looked up yellow journalism at http://academic2.american.edu/~wjc/yellowjo/
It's not all bad, it helps sell newspapers and the news media in general.
Are you by chance against the economics of selling newspapers?How can I use their statements against them, unless of course their statements are misleading. But then all I do is ask for clarification? Asking questions must be wrong, is that right it?
Where is the gotcha if their statements are complete and truthful?
I'm sorry your ideas do not fit my profile.
However, I believe the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and her NGO do fit the discription?
And I also believe that the term yellow journalism probably fits their style, right along with the school board wanting a plan to build/construct and along with the County Commissioners "Neighborhood Revitalivation Program"!
Yes sir, Mr. flintaqua I think you hit the nail right on the head!
And that go hand in hand with:
In my opinion the lack of definitive answers regarding Elk Konnected, LLC from Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Hendricks and Liebau reflects the reality that nobody knows anything about Elk Konnected, LLC actual goals. It would be nice to have some clarification.
"There are always individuals or very, very small groups of individuals who try to distort facts by subjectively using them out of context, or in the case of empirical data, changing parameters of a statistical analysis so the numbers will fit a predetermined outcome with no names to support the data.
When these individuals try to hide behind a cloak of one way communication such as a newspaper, then others must ask why ? "
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Even Professor/Dr. Christman suggested communication on the internet with the citizens. Is he wrong?
Sure I plagiarize. Because I got no edumacation in college.
But thanks again for considering me educated enough to know yellow journalism, especially since I don't even know journalism.
Ross, you are so far off the deep end, I don't even know where to start.
1. I did not say your errors are "purposeful" I said that you do it on purpose. Any sixth grader can figure out the difference!
2. You put the capital C on Citizen to change it's meaning, pure and simple, not to just add emphasis.
3. I never "made some strong points about re-opening thew Moline Grade Schools". For the very last time - QUIT PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND THE MOUTHS OF OTHERS! And the typographical error inside the quotes is yours not mine, I copy and pasted what you typed.
4. Speaking of typographical errors - you call me out for making one and then quoted this - [Reply 5039 - "It's just to bad the leaders and the visionaries don't join us.Perhaps one day they will come out of hiding, do you suppose?"] - The typographical error of no spacing between the sentences is yours not mine. So is using to instead of too. I copy and pasted this directly from your post.
5. The "unedumacated hick" (your spelling not mine) thing is growing very old also. You are not fooling anyone. You are aware of what you are doing, and when called on it you make up some excuse. You've used your lack of a college education, your supposed propensity for typographical errors, your hearing aid that is selective in what gets translated to your brain, and others. Time for some new excuses.
6. I did not call you a journalist. I said "What you do is worse than gotcha tactics or even yellow journalism." Where in that statement did I call you a journalist. Do you wear contacts or glasses? If so, they must be selective in what they translate to your brain also, just like your hearing aids.
There's more, and maybe I'll continue later. I can only respond to so much of your total nonsense at one time.
Flint, you really have Ross pegged to a T. Everytime I get around a conversation that brings up Toss, people tell me they are really tired of the trash and crap he makes up about others and Elk County. He has done a lot of Damage to Elk County.
Quote from: ELK@KC on December 13, 2012, 02:51:17 PM
Flint, you really have Ross pegged to a T. Everytime I get around a conversation that brings up Toss, people tell me they are really tired of the trash and crap he makes up about others and Elk County. He has done a lot of Damage to Elk County.
Wowwe what a whopper.
Keep it up, I know you can do better then that?
But I notice you have no answers to the questions either?
Try these two questions, do you have any answers,:
1. What happened to the daycare center in Moline?
2. Ia it just another one of Elk konnected, LLC's failures?
Please if you can't handle the pressure, don't answer, I'll understand.
Quote from: Ross on November 26, 2012, 08:48:46 PM
I am a redneck and proud to be one. Thank You!
Let me remincd you what a redneck is.
In the 19th century, there was a turn in how terms like redneck were used. The word redneck, in particular, was no longer viewed purely as slander, but as a badge of pride. Among those who shared this sentiment, it stood for someone who believed in self-determination and individual freedom.
The sentence in blue above is taken word for word from the third paragraph of the webpage at this site: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-redneck.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-redneck.htm) which I accessed on December 13, 2012 at 6:30 pm CST.
I accessed this sites' Terms and Conditions page, located at: http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-wisegeeks-terms-and-conditions.htm (http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-wisegeeks-terms-and-conditions.htm) on December 13, 2012 at 6:40 pm CST.
Those who post electronically the copyrighted material on aforementioned site would do themselves well to read said terms and conditions of use.
Some people on this Forum might want to start reading up on copyright infringement. Just saying.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
Ross, you are so far off the deep end, I don't even know where to start.
Try starting with this is your way of avoiding the questions!
Try ending with you have no answers to the questions!
I think that should work just fine.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
1. I did not say your errors are "purposeful" I said that you do it on purpose. Any sixth grader can figure out the difference!
Well I did admit to not having an education, especially a college edumaction, so please clarify what you mean and educate myself and a few other people, please? Oops you don't have answers to questions either do you?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
2. You put the capital C on Citizen to change it's meaning, pure and simple, not to just add emphasis.
Oh you are a long distant mind reader now. Well it didn't work to well, sorry!
I stated why I did what I did and you seem to have a problem with it and pretend you can read my mind. Pretend can be fun, right?
I will repeat myself just for you. I put the capital "C" on citizens only to emphasize that you called them Konnected "C"itizens because I had never heard them called that.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 02:47:11 PM
3. I never "made some strong points about re-opening thew Moline Grade Schools". For the very last time - QUIT PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH AND THE MOUTHS OF OTHERS! And the typographical error inside the quotes is yours not mine, I copy and pasted what you typed.
I find the following very strong points for re-opening the school, they are not portable buildings. I like what you said, here it is:
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
1. The only building (singular) on the Moline Grade School property that is not part of the two main buildings is an all steel, built on-site, metal building on a concrete slab that housed the pre-school when the grade school was in operation. It is not a 'portable' or 'modular'. I don't know where you came up with the information you have posted, including the plural "they" part. I have lived or owned property adjacent to the Grade School since 1983, so I think I might have first hand information on this subject.
I didn't put those words in your mouth or on your finger tips.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
4. Speaking of typographical errors - you call me out for making one and then quoted this - [Reply 5039 - "It's just to bad the leaders and the visionaries don't join us.Perhaps one day they will come out of hiding, do you suppose?"] - The typographical error of no spacing between the sentences is yours not mine. So is using to instead of too. I copy and pasted this directly from your post.
Oops, ROFLMAO, I really am off the deep end. That should have gave you a good laugh as well. A Very funny error. I'm human. I beg your forgiveness, I am so sorry even though I am laughing at myself. Thanks for correcting me.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
5. The "unedumacated hick" (your spelling not mine) thing is growing very old also. You are not fooling anyone. You are aware of what you are doing, and when called on it you make up some excuse. You've used your lack of a college education, your supposed propensity for typographical errors, your hearing aid that is selective in what gets translated to your brain, and others. Time for some new excuses.
Well, dog gone I guess I just ass/u/me d the wrong thing as an implication because of the phraseology and the term I had never heard of "yellow journalism" is the reason I took your comment the way I did. So what was that then, a form of cyber bullying?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
6. I did not call you a journalist. I said "What you do is worse than gotcha tactics or even yellow journalism." Where in that statement did I call you a journalist. Do you wear contacts or glasses? If so, they must be selective in what they translate to your brain also, just like your hearing aids.
Yes, I wear hearing aids and glasses and I have cataracts. And if you wish to punish me for handicaps hear a couple more to use. I have two artificial knees and pretty severe arthritis in my shoulders and in my ankles. And I am developing a problem walking due to arthritis in my hip. Oh least I forget my right knee is curved in due to the doctor having to put a rod in there when he replaced my artificial knee that went bad and it tends to make me walk a little funny. So there, have fun with all of it. I promise not to be offended, because I accept my faults for what they are. And I earned each and every one of them handicaps.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 12, 2012, 10:58:44 PM
There's more, and maybe I'll continue later. I can only respond to so much of your total nonsense at one time.
Oh boy, bring it on, we all love suspense! I can hardly wait for chapter TWO.
The diversion has been fun, but lets move on to the main topic of this thread, shall we?
In the mean time answer a couple more question, please! Who are the bonefide, registered, or official members of Elk Konnected, LLC . Give it some thought, take your time. I bet you can't name even 10 of them, so I won't ask you to go for 20. Isn't elk Konnected, LLC just a tiny little NGO of failures? If not what are they? What do they do? Where is the Quality of Life they put up on their web sight?
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 12:24:19 PM
Have we become an Infantile Society, eager only to be coddled, burped and entertained, with noise masquerading as music, and nicks and bruises as deep cuts and real wounds and lollipops as good deeds and to believe everything someone says to us ??
Sure I plagiarize. Because I got no edumacation in college.
Plagarism is one thing. Violating copyright laws is another.
How many times have you used the first sentence in red above? Of those, how many times have you attributed the source of that statement? I believe that Wesley Pruden and The Washington Times, of which he is editor emeritus, are entitled to the intelectual property rights that attach to copyrighted material.
Here is the webpage article that Ross lifted this statement from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/pruden-when-a-quake-really-was-a-quake/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/pruden-when-a-quake-really-was-a-quake/) fifth paragraph, second sentence. Website accessed on December 13, 2012 at 7:30.
I knew you couldn't answer any questions.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 07:33:55 PM
Plagarism is one thing. Violating copyright laws is another.
How many times have you used the first sentence in red above? Of those, how many times have you attributed the source of that statement? I believe that Wesley Pruden and The Washington Times, of which he is editor emeritus, are entitled to the intelectual property rights that attach to copyrighted material.
Here is the webpage article that Ross lifted this statement from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/pruden-when-a-quake-really-was-a-quake/ (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/26/pruden-when-a-quake-really-was-a-quake/) fifth paragraph, second sentence. Website accessed on December 13, 2012 at 7:30.
So why did you just do the same thing? I was unaware but you were not. Now do you go back and delete the quotes.
You quoted something that you knew was copie right protected, same violation and you did it when you knew it violated copy right laws. You copied the same exact words, no excuse, now is there?
Brilliant way to backstab a person and to create a diversion in order to avoid answering a few questions?
You rock dude. nice job! Keep up the good work?
Did you learn that from your NGO? Is that a good technique!
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 08:08:33 PM
I knew you couldn't answer any questions.
And I know that you will keep asking the same ones over and over and over, all the while adding in new ones, never comprehending the answers when they are presented to you, because they don't match what your closed-mind has already decided is the truth.
Then you will mis-quote, mis-hear, mis-spell, mis-emphasize, missing everything while twisting words and statements in whatever manner you desire to, putting words that you want to hear into the mouths of others.
I am not the only one that feels this way about the way you go about things. I'm just one of the few that have the nerve to call a spade a spade!
Oh, and where is your ol' shucks type of excuse for violating others intellectual property rights? You're right-wing aren't you? All hyped up about how U.N. Agenda 21 is supposedly being foisted upon America, even right there in good 'ol Elk County. How everyone's property rights are going to be taken away.
Gee, I hope you didn't just realize you hold yet another hypocritical double-standard.
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
So why did you just do the same thing?
I thought about that same issue, but came to the conclusion that the only way to document your copyright violation, was to quote you doing it. Otherwise you would have the opportunity to go back and delete it, now wouldn't you?
Addition to this post, since Ross went backand changed his after I wrote this one!
Ross, I was referring above to the quote you lifted from wisegeek.
In regards to the one from the Washington Times - I attributed the quote to the person who wrote it, and linked to the source of the material. In doing so, I didn't break the copyright of the Washington Times, since it is permisible to quote their publication, so long as you attribute the author and the source site.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, and this applies to copyright law as well as any other law. You're old enough to know that.
Ross, do you have any morals? Oh wait I know the answer to that, so I shouldn't be surprised to have you wait to till I post a response to one of your posts, then see that you went back and changed your post after reading mine.
Wow, how mature! I know you are old enough to know right from wrong, but I guess you lack the maturity, morals and ethics that normally come with those years.
You see how I was kind enough to the readers to bring attention to the fact that I materially edited my post. I don't if I am simply correcting an error in punctuation or spelling, but if what I change alters the post even minorly, I try to make sure folks know I did it.
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 08:20:30 PM
So why did you just do the same thing? I was unaware but you were not. Now do you go back and delete the quotes.
You quoted something that you knew was copie right protected, same violation and you did it when you knew it violated copy right laws. You copied the same exact words, no excuse, now is there?
Brilliant way to backstab a person and to create a diversion in order to avoid answering a few questions?
You rock dude. nice job! Keep up the good work?
Did you learn that from your NGO? Is that a good technique!
Just making sure it doesn't get changed yet again.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
Ross, do you have any morals? Oh wait I know the answer to that, so I shouldn't be surprised to have you wait to till I post a response to one of your posts, then see that you went back and changed your post after reading mine.
I don't go back and change anything.
Far more morals then you. I don't back stab?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
Wow, how mature! I know you are old enough to know right from wrong, but I guess you lack the maturity, morals and ethics that normally come with those years.
Am I the Konnected kounty kommissioner and her little Konnected kounty kommissioner that would go before the County Commissioners Board and make a mockery of it by havine my NGO ask me for money and vote to give it to myself. Now that my friend is very disrespectful towardw the citizens of Elk County and totally lacks morals and ethicks doesn't it? How low can your Non Governmental Organization sink? Oh yea, voting for the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program against the wishes of the people except perhaps a few associated with their NGO, right? You see this is really not about me. This thread is about the deception of our great and honorable Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. But just a few more weeks and they loose control over our county governement, don't they? What happens then? What happens to the has been?
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 08:52:38 PM
You see how I was kind enough to the readers to bring attention to the fact that I materially edited my post. I don't if I am simply correcting an error in punctuation or spelling, but if what I change alters the post even minorly, I try to make sure folks know I did it.
What a bunch of crap? Very transparent as a put on IMO.
Try impressing by answering a few questions?
Wait a minute you Followers aren't allowed to know anything are you/
You are only allowed to follow right, isn't that why you are called Followers?
Can you go to your leaders and ask for some answers, will they confide in you>
Boy, I hope they can!
Have a good noght.
Quote from: Ross on December 13, 2012, 09:38:12 PM
I don't go back and change anything.
Wait a minute you Followers aren't allowed to know anything are you/
You are only allowed to follow right, isn't that why you are called Followers?
Can you go to your leaders and ask for some answers, will they confide in you>
Have a good noght.
1. You did exactly what I called you on, and you know it. So now I guess I will add out and out lier to your list of attributes.
2. I am not a Follower. Neither are nearly all the others who have the temerity to come on here and refute the misinformation and outright lies that you contrive and spew forth onto the world through this internet portal.
Have I been truthful today? You bet, every statement in every post.
Have I been harsh today? Yes.
Have I had even worse harshness and visciousness applied to me both publicly and privately on and off this Forum? Yes.
Am I sick and tired of this crap? Yes.
But I am also sick and tired of sitting back and seeing the county of my birth, members of my extended family, my former neighbors, and my friends being lambasted and having their character assassinated day-in and day-out by the likes of you, someone who has had the life experience to know right from wrong but somehow still lacks a moral compass and apparently doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.
Charles
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
Am I sick and tired of this crap? Yes.
But I am also sick and tired of sitting back and seeing the county of my birth, members of my extended family, my former neighbors, and my friends being lambasted and having their character assassinated day-in and day-out by the likes of you, someone who has had the life experience to know right from wrong but somehow still lacks a moral compass and apparently doesn't have an ethical bone in his body.
Then for heaven sake, Chuck, why in God's name do you inflame things by attacking? Surely you've realized by now you aren't likely to change the object(s) of your frustration.
Quote from: flintauqua on December 13, 2012, 10:15:40 PM
2. I am not a Follower. Neither are nearly all the others who have the temerity to come on here and refute the misinformation and outright lies that you contrive and spew forth onto the world through this internet portal.
If it talks like a Follower
And acts like a Follower
Especially since the inception of this thread.
Then it must be a Follower!
But you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion.
Go ahead and call me some more names, its okay. I don't mind.
Quote from: flintauqua link=topic=11780.msg201834#msg201834 date=1355458540
Have I been truthful today? You bet every statement in every post.
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That's your opinion and you are sticking to it.
Good for you.
But in all your truthfulness, do you believe that the Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners did the ethical and honorable thing having someone from their NGO come before them as County Commissioners and then voting to give themselves county taxpayers dollars and then denying it? In all that honesty you speak of, do you really believe that action is honorable and ethical?
Another in all your honesty, how do you feel about Elk Konnected, LLC losing the controlling votes on the County Commissioners Board in 2013? I think it should pprove interesting.
Can you provide honest answers to any questions on this thread, with all that honesty you profess to have?
Is the Elk Konnected, LLC Daycare Center in Moline still a go, or just another one of Elk Konnected, LLC's long list of failures, the truth now, please? Are they having trouble getting OPM, other peoples money to get it started?
Elk County is looking for honest answers?
Okay, Patriot, I'll try to refrain from further activity, before you climb on me for inciting a cyber riot?
Besides, I have alot of outside work to get done before it rains.And I sure hope and pray it rains.
Charlie, no question you tell it like it is. I think most of the people in Elk county agree with you.
There's no question that Flint's bottom line appears to be the advancement of the socialist agenda in Elk County
and beyond.
Good morning
Happy Holidays
And most of all
Merry Christmas.
I've been terribly busy for an old red neck hick, with building horse stalls in my barn, and doctors appointments and some complex personal problems in Washington State. Yea, remember I'm an outsider that simply chose to live here and pay property taxes unlike those outsiders that don't live here and pay property taxes here. Isn't it weird how things work in this world?
Like all those poor families that had children slaughtered in Connecticut. My heart goes out to them. Slain by the son of one of the social elite, one of the upstanding citizens, pillars of the community, a person of education and money and a volunteer and donor what a terrible shame.
It is definitely enough to make me thankful I am an uneducated, poor (financially) redneck hick. Because, I am happy in so many other ways.
On the subject of me screwing up and supposedly stealing intellectual property Out of ignorance, the man that so sadly informed me in such a terribly rude and accusatory way, thank you. I went back to the websites and contacted the places and informed them of my ignorance and apologized and asked what I could to make the situation right. Well apparently they could careless or perhaps I haven't waited long enough to hear back from them. I will continue wait and see if anything develops over my error. But, I think perhaps because I am such a small drip in a gigantic ocean that they could careless about me. And I bet I'm not the only little drip that has done the same thing. But still waiting to see what comes down the pike. Oop's is, "waiting to see what comes down the pike" copy righted or trademarked? I have never claimed to be anything but a human being who is quite capable of making mistakes and an Elk County taxpayer and resident that asks a lot of questions.
Now shall we get back to talking about Elk County, Elk Konnected, LLC and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and Konnected School Board Members and Konnected Kounty Employees and such?
The self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC being Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks claimed the reason for starting up was the result of two communities in Elk County not falling in line with what Elk Konnected, LLC felt was necessary. Of course they worded it differently, but in essence that is what they were saying, in my opinion. They were simply using the old peer group model of control and shame. Of course when questioned about the disrespect towards the two communities during an Elk County Commissioners meeting Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks claimed they did not mean to diss those communities. Well to me it sure did and does appear that was the intent, because the open letter to the public is still posted on the internet several years later and no apology was every written that I could find or read.
Well, moving right along Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks claimed that Elk Konnected, LLC did not come about because the Wind Farm and the money the County would receive from it, because Elk Konnected, LLC came about first. Well, I sort of believe that and the reason I say sort of is two fold. First we were informed right here on this thread that wind testing was going on for seven years before building the wind farm and since that testing was taking place on or near her family's property wouldn't it be safe to assume she knew the wind farm was coming and so she started Elk Konnected, LLC?
The other part is being Employed by Public Squares Communities, LLC in Leoti, Kansas by starting up Elk Konnected, LLC especially as a county commissioner would place a big feather in her bonnet? And didn't that lead to her becoming President of Public Squares Communities, (now known as) INC?
Also when her NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC came before the County Commissioners Board asking for County Tax money to promote themselves by handing out what I refer to as lollipops were they not asking their founder for that money> Would it not have been the ethical thing for the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to have abstained from voting on their organizations request for county money? So why didn't they abstain?
Didn't Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners abuse the county resources by posting their own personal web page on the county owned and operated web site?
Elk Konnected, LLC and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners abuse the county owned emergency call line by unofficial use of the system?
There is so much more but I'm out of time.
How's it gonna feel when the new county commissioner is seated in a few weeks and Elk Konnected, LLC will no longer possess the majority of controlling votes. Yes, Howard recognized which hold s the majority of votes in that district did the right thing in my opinion and voted Elk Konnected, LLC out of control of the County Commissioners Board.
There is so much more, but for now I would appreciate it if you would tear this post apart line by line and post under each line the misinformation or at least do some corrections.
And then perhaps we can discuss the Taj Mahal they are wanting to build south of Howard with the Community Storm Shelter and the new gymnasium. And other Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks NGO. Elk Konnected, LLC failures. Or if any of you Followers can enlighten us to any of their success that would be cool. Please tell it like it is.
I'll try to return soon to read your analysis, okay.
Responses welcome.
You know what, I was just reading the Defense Department has ordered criminal background checks of child care providers at all military bases after finding 31 workers at the Fort Myer center had police records on charges ranging from assault to sexual offenses.
The Pentagon Day Care Review is Expanding to Defense Department schools, youth centers and other facilities where children are present.
I have heard that it frequently happens that regular community schools will ask teachers to resign and I wonder why? What justification is there for such action! Aren't the school districts and school boards entrusted with the care of and responsible for the safety of our most precious resources? So I wonder why ask a teacher or employee to resign? If you take such an action aren't you putting that employee above the safety and welfare of the children? Where is the wisdom in that?
I heard on the streets of Elk County that this kind of thing happened with two Konnected School Employees of West Elk, can or will anyone confirm that it did in fact happen?
I mean how can we trust our children with any school district, if this sort of thing is happening and continues to happen? Who can we trust?
Just take a look at what has been happening with our school district!
We as taxpayers commissioned and paid for a bunch of college professors to evaluate the school district about a year ago. Were we allowed to see the completed study? NO!
Were we allowed to have the professor's address us with their final verbal response? NO!
We paid for it, but the school district decided we did not deserve to hear or read the final results, WHY? What are they hiding? Then they hire another type of study looking again at how to improve the District School, WHY?
I personally have not seen anything substantial except this professor teaching the school board members some critical thinking skill that most any good leader should have knowledge of prior to wanting to be a leader. Isn't it really about building a Taj Mahal near Howard, Kansas? Isn't it about preparing the taxpayer for another assault of a School Bond for adding a new wing or building a new grade school with a new gymnasium oh and most likely a community storm shelter for Howard? When will they quit?
But actually folks the very best thing I learned in high school was from an English teacher. And that is how to make decisions and how to find solutions to problems. Ask yourself the following questions or ask the questions of the people that are involved:
• Who?
• What?
• Where?
• When?
• Why?
• And How?
Over the years I have slightly adjusted it to include
Stop, Look and Listen (Oops, am I stealing that from the railroad companies, does that have a TM? Sorry about that I just don't know!)
There are plenty of solutions for the school board to give serious consideration to during these financially trying times. For instance, repeating myself,
• Re-opening the Moline Grade School
• Considering that the West Elk school building was designed to hold 600 students and the district only has 300.
• Wasn't West Elk built for 600 students hoping for growth in the communities of Elk County?
• From what little I have seen of the school building there is plenty of wasted floor space in the offices.
• Consider moving the offices of the school Superintendent and principle in one office in the main building. And if you give it some serious thought you only need one principle for one building. This would save on school expenditures. You could also cut half of the staff freeing up more floor space and saving more tax dollars. This could then open of the district office to be used for class rooms.
Will any of these solutions make everyone happy, heck no. But is that your job as school board to make everyone happy or is your job to meet the needs of the children for learning? Or is it your to appease some NGO? Yes, I Said some NGO?
Continuing on I feel compelled to ask, has our school district ever asked an employee to resign OR whatever? I left the last option open simply because there are so many things that could be placed in that spot.
And IF you have you have the answer, I ask how is that beneficial to the children in our school district or even more important to children in other districts?
I sure hope everyone had a great Christmas.
2013 is just about upon us, I want to wish everyone a happy and prosperous New Year.
Do you think it might happen?
With the Federal Government up to all its games,
The Fiscal Cliff, Austerity, and all sorts Budget Cuts?
What about locally?
And the konnected kounty kommissioners approval of the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" that claims Elk County is a blighted area and provides welfare for those that least need it by calling it a rebate, how about that?
Starts the first of the year doesn't it?
After all, that is what the program is for, isn't it, blighted areas?
Something for all Elk County Citizens to be proud of, right?
Very nice of them to consider this beautiful county, blighted.
This could cost the county coffers tens of thousands of dollars, if not, a few hundred thousand dollars inproperty taxes, right?
But its okay isn't it?
As long as they keep the property taxes high on everyone else,
except maybe their friends and relatives, etcetera and possibly their own special projects right?
A good deal if you can get it right?
Doesn't that fall under "Beggar Thy Neighbor"?
Not wanting to pay yourfair share of property taxes, tch, tch!
Shameful in my opinion!
Perhaps that will change for the good in 2013 with the installation of a new County Commissioner and one less konnected kounty kommissioner?
We can hope for the best, right?
And we have the situation at West Elk and a school board with a konnected school board President bringing in outsiders to try to find excuses to build a new grade school, isn't that what is happening?
Haven't they already been told by the majority of Elk County Voters?
Does leadership mean to ignore those that you serve?
I don't think so, do you?
I mean didn't a University send a handful of Professors in to West Elk to do a study?
You and I paid for that study, did you know that?
Did we get to see the final results?
I didn't, did you?
Those Professors were suppose to come back and talk to us about their study, but apparently someone decided they didn't need to come back and tell us the school was doing fine, did they?
So, the school board hires an outsider, known as a facilitator, a single Professor to try to do something that a whole university couldn't do, I wonder what is he is suppose to do?
Don't you?
I wonder how much that first study by the University with all those Professors cost us?
And how much this study by this lone Professor/Facilitator is costing you and me?
Just how much of the money from our property tax, that is supposed to go towards our children's education, is being wasted and what is the real reason?
I wonder why it is so difficult for a group of 7 people on the school board to make decisions, using critical thinking and so easy for them to hire an outsider, called a facilitator to do their thinking for them? I know at least one of them is attuned to critical thinking, because, he thinks it should be taught in school.
I say, Hooray for him!
Didn't they run for those offices with the intention of doing what is right for the entire school district?
And they each have a vote, don't they?
I have to give the board Kudos for voting, not to get involved with the "Beggar Thy Neighbor Program" called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program", which in my opinion is an ultimate put down to Elk County. I don't see Elk County as blighted, but that is just my opinion.
But, we can hope for 2013 a better year of thinking, than what is shown on page one of this thread. Can't we?
I did read about several organizations in Elk County and Chautauqua County that added to the Quality of Life of children and families during this holiday season but none of them were Elk Konnected, LLC and I wonder why?
Can someone, tell me did I miss reading their story?
Well, anyway here is wishing each and everyone of you the very best in 2013 and that includes the Followers.
Did ya all read the article in the Prairie Star on page 2 about the Chautauqua County Budget? Very interesting and, very educational on many levels IMO!
How about the letter to the editor concerning the same thing right below it, did you read it to?
The gentlemen said, "I told you so."
Apparently some support group he says sold them a bill of goods. Remember keep everything "Positive".
Would that support group by any chance be known as an NGO err a Non Governmental Organization? Was that support group something sort of like elk konnected, llc?
I wonder did that support group have a name. Will that support group step forward and take responsibility? Will they accept responsibility and pay for the loss to the Chautauqua County Tax Payers? Hell no, in my opinion! Why should they? They got people to vote for it, so the people will have to pay for the next five years?
He also said the bond company (most likely an outsider company) also stood to make a lot of money, didn't he?
He also stated the bond company was very vocal about how viable the future funding of the new jail was, there was just no way could they go wrong!
They didn't discuss the extra costs involved like:
• Utilities (water, electricity, telephones, etc)
• Additional Employees (staff)
• No guarantees of housing inmates from other jurisdictions to produce income.
• And probably many other factors.
I just ask you is this the kind of School District thinking we need in Elk County?
Thank goodness, that is changing in our county Government in just a few more days, huh?
Why do you think the konnected kounty kommissioners refused to do a viability or feasability study on that "Beggar Thy Neighbor" program known as the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program"?
Would that program have received a green light with a study performed?
IMO a resounding NO! Folks that is just a polite way of saying we have been had!
Why wouldn't the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners even discuss putting off voting for this "Beggar Thy Neighbor" program until the new County Commissioner comes into office in 2013? Why were they in such a hurry? IMO, because it probably would not be passed, that's why. Why is that you might ask? In my personal opinion, because there would no longer be two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners on the board to insure it's passage.
Do we need a support group ramming down our throat the need for additional space to house children for teaching, for additional grade school class rooms? Especially since that same support group was most likely behind shutting down the Moline Grade School, right? And again, the same group probably supported the purchase of metal buildings for class rooms, right? And a konnected School Board President, right?
We had a study performed at great expense by a University full of Professors and apparently they found no problems, so let's hire yet another, only make it a lone Professor/Facilitator, great idea. Is it? Waste more of the taxpayers money on something other than using it for education! Yea, makes sense to me! Does it make sense to you?
And much like Chautauqua County they probably, brought in this lone outsider Professor/ Facilitator to some how convince us we need a new building or at least a wing on the high school with a new gymnasium. I ask you to consider, is that really needed to teach the children? Or is it needed to increase the size of the campus to give it a Taj Mahal appearance? Just check out the wasted floor space in that building, that is already there! The building was built for growth, as I was informed, to house 600 students and it is only housing 300, what is with that?
Will you be impressed by a real outsider who happens to have the name Professor written in front of his name? Will you be impressed by a Professor/Facilitator who asks, what do you want for your school? Sort of like Santa Clause asking the small child what do you want for Christmas, isn't it? The poor Professor probably doesn't understand how he is being used, it is the Professor before his name that I believe is being used. But he is being handsomely paid, so what difference does it make to him? I just asking?
Or are we going to be grown-ups and ask:
• What do we need?
How about better teachers?
How about more concentration on educating all the children?
How a bout a Blue Ribbon School?
• Do fancy, new, and very expensive score boards increase the education levels of the children?
• What should be the real goals of our School District?
• Would we get a better return on our money building a Taj Mahal or offering better wages to attract better teachers?
Even the school board discussed wages to attract better teachers at one of their meetings. It was even on their list for future planning. Folks the future is now! The future is sitting in those class rooms right now!
Does some support group want a brick and mortar Grade School building, it sits right there in Moline, go get it! Or do they just want that Taj Mahal?
Didn't they already waste enough district money drawing up that fancy pants new school building not long ago with the community storm shelter for Howard? And didn't they waste enough money running a vote for a bond issue for $5.5 million and were told no?
It reminds me of my teenager, how many times do I have to tell him no? Can you tell me, how many times, do I have to tell him NO? In my opinion far too many times.
I ask you to think for yourself and consider all the other options available versus raising property taxes, how does that sound to you?
Perhaps you can get some discussions going around the county about these subjects; after all they are the taxing agents you voted into office.
Let the followers and supporters know there is plenty of talk, let them know they are out numbered just like during the School Bond issue you voted down.
Let them know it's not going to happen.
No More Taxes for us, while giving tax breaks to a few others.
I believe support groups want silent citizens and then their voices are the only ones heard.
If you want to maintain Elk County as the beautiful place that it is, and the friendly country folks and want to avoid the big city ways of doing things, speak up.
Did your ancestors have outsider facilitators telling them how to live?
Did they?
Don't Shut Up! Ask Who, What, Where, When, Why and How?
If nothing else bad mouth me at least that would be communicating something?
Ready for feed back.
I would be interested in knowing what you mean by ''better'' teachers. Are you saying your teachers now are not good at what they do? Why do you think a pay increase would make them better teachers?
How would you rate them? A teacher test? Student performance? Parent satisfaction? Professional observations? Advanced degrees?
Are you suggesting that ''all'' students aren't being taught to their performance level now? Why do you think that? How do you think it could be improved since all kids are not the same?
I know you want to talk about facilities but you also suggested better pay instead. What do you have to offer to attract new teachers besides increased pay? Housing subsidies? Tax forgiveness? Fuel allowance for traveling?Transportation on the buses to and from work with the kids? Saturday school with extra pay? Grade 13 for extra education?
You are comparing schools and their environment with jails in another county? Yikes !I don't think most parents would see tax spending for education in the same way as tax spending for a jail.
You have already had some suggestions as to who is looking at the high school space and what can be done. You have apparently ignored it. Why is that?
What do you consider "wasted" space? Even office space can only be squeezed so far. (privacy issues with parents' meetings and such and ADA issues, etc.)
Not all classrooms are created equal either. Some need more space than others, and now with the world on computers and with wireless everything, teaching and learning can't even remotely be compared to when we went to school.
Soon there will be a huge change in the information and learning process (It has already started.) Kids won't be expected to memorize most anything they can look up on the internet. Once the basics are learned ,in about fourth or fifth grade, "learning to read" will change even more to "reading to learn.'' Math will be the same...thank goodness!
Education will be much more about cause and effect and applied application. More learning will be self directed, at the rate the child can gain proficiency in the unit topic.
Teacher college training is slowly, much too slowly, being revamped to reflect this new educational world. Get with it or be left behind. Parents and other interested people will have to keep up ,or wander around with puzzled looks on their faces. ;D ;D ;D Have fun Ross...
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
I would be interested in knowing what you mean by ''better'' teachers. Are you saying your teachers now are not good at what they do? Why do you think a pay increase would make them better teachers?
How would you rate them? A teacher test? Student performance? Parent satisfaction? Professional observations? Advanced degrees?
Are you suggesting that ''all'' students aren't being taught to their performance level now? Why do you think that? How do you think it could be improved since all kids are not the same?
You can not put that burden on me
I was just repeating the school board's plans
But you wouldn't know that way up there in the North East part of the country would you?
But yes, testing could be done. I know back in the eighties the State of Texas did it state wide. And a considerable number of teachers were found to be unable to pass the test, even given three attempts with study in between testing.
But here is what I said.
Quote from: Ross on December 28, 2012, 07:49:54 AM
• Would we get a better return on our money building a Taj Mahal or offering better wages to attract better teachers?
Even the school board discussed wages to attract better teachers at one of their meetings. It was even on their list for future planning. Folks the future is now! The future is sitting in those class rooms right now!
Does some support group want a brick and mortar Grade School building, it sits right there in Moline, go get it! Or do they just want that Taj Mahal?
So your question about the teachers abilities should be directed towards the Konnected School Board President and the other School Board members.
Do you think they are suggesting what you are asking?
I also asked:
Quote from: Ross on December 28, 2012, 07:49:54 AM
I just ask you is this the kind of School District thinking we need in Elk County?
Meaning one that can not do proper planning, perhaps even do a feasibility study.
After all even you Diane, suggested that education is changing, just as the Professor/facilitator suggested home schooling via the internet?
By the way I already know at least one student doing exactly that right here in Moline.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
I know you want to talk about facilities but you also suggested better pay instead. What do you have to offer to attract new teachers besides increased pay? Housing subsidies? Tax forgiveness? Fuel allowance for traveling?Transportation on the buses to and from work with the kids? Saturday school with extra pay? Grade 13 for extra education?
You might make some of those suggestions to the konnected School Board President!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
You are comparing schools and their environment with jails in another county?
No, Diane I am comparing poor planning and manipulating the voters and taxpayers in adjacent counties that have basically the equivalent economic environment.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Yikes !I don't think most parents would see tax spending for education in the same way as tax spending for a jail.
No, Diane I am comparing poor planning and manipulating the voters and taxpayers in adjacent counties that have basically the equivalent economic environment. We do not have the population or the economic environment you have in the wealthy county that you reside in, therefore, I don't compare it to your county.
The situation is sort of like the elk konnected, llc Wellness Center and their Daycare Center poor planning in my humble opinion and akin to the arrogant ignorance on page one of this thread, you know the list put together by elk konnected, llc.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
You have already had some suggestions as to who is looking at the high school space and what can be done. You have apparently ignored it. Why is that?
What suggestion? Why don't you quote me a few? Let us all in on what you are talking about.
Who is looking at the space allocation in the school building?
I suggested the money they are wasting could be put to better use by hiring an engineer to look over the floor plans and make suggestions for improvement.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
What do you consider "wasted" space?
Rooms with wide open space that is not being used, pretty simple, huh?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Even office space can only be squeezed so far. (privacy issues with parents' meetings and such and ADA issues, etc.)
How nice of you to continue to attempt to confuse issues from way up there in New Jersey (I couldn't help myself.) Wouldn't the aforementioned engineer be the best to determine what is best, or would it be you from way up there?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Not all classrooms are created equal either. Some need more space than others, and now with the world on computers and with wireless everything, teaching and learning can't even remotely be compared to when we went to school.
No one has even suggested such a thing, so why are you suggesting it?
Just to confuse the real issues? I notice you don't refer to the Grade School, in-waiting in Moline, a complete facility that only needs a few repairs, why?
Is it because that is not what Howard wants or is it because that is not what the konnected School Board President wants?
Must we always fulfill someone's wants or should it be to fulfill what is needed, if it is truly needed?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
Soon there will be a huge change in the information and learning process (It has already started.) Kids won't be expected to memorize most anything they can look up on the internet. Once the basics are learned ,in about fourth or fifth grade, "learning to read" will change even more to "reading to learn.'' Math will be the same...thank goodness!
Education will be much more about cause and effect and applied application. More learning will be self directed, at the rate the child can gain proficiency in the unit topic.
Teacher college training is slowly, much too slowly, being revamped to reflect this new educational world. Get with it or be left behind. Parents and other interested people will have to keep up ,or wander around with puzzled looks on their faces. ;D ;D ;D Have fun Ross...
I notice you totally ignored the connection between the konnected kounty commissioners and the konnected School Board President (who knows how many other board members are konnected) and the point of no feasibility studies. That was a very good choice in my opinion.
Who do these so called leaders work for, it sure doesn't appear to me that they work for the all of the taxpayers, voters or families of Elk County?
You also didn't respond to the question:
Quote from: Ross on December 28, 2012, 07:49:54 AM
Did your ancestors have outsider facilitators telling them how to live?
Did they?
Thanks for the feed back Diane, it just proves my point about manipulation and taxes.
The Professor/Facilitator even discussed self directed learning, only he called it home schooling by computer. What would that mean to the School District if every child above your fifth grade you just spoke of stayed home and did home schooling?
• Would we need a bigger school?
• Would we need more or less local school teachers? Oops, more unemployment, huh?
• Would we still receive state and federal funding for the grade levels above the fifth grade?
• If not wouldn't that mean we should plan more, for reducing the size of the school and staff?
• Did you know some college professors have a million or more students attending their classes via the internet?
See how you try to confuse present day issues, it really doesn't help today's situation does it?
Except for the purpose of control and manipulation of the people, the voters, the taxpayers, now I ask you is that decent?
Do you ask the people to ignore what you write and encourage them to think for themselves or is your goal to just want to muddle things up?
Happy New Years Diane!
Anybody is free to read or ignore me as always. I wanted YOUR personal opinion ,period.
You must have serious amnesia problems if you truly don't remember what Cat and others have said collectively about the space in the school and how it's used. ( peanut gallery?) As far as where I live... Do you not remember or are you twisting my tail? If I was in NJ I'd probably be rebuilding now ..I do not live in the north east. It's a mid Atlantic state and the latitude isn't that much different from yours. I guess you cut your geography classes, huh? ;)
Where I live is immaterial to this and I was in no way comparing you to here. I was comparing you to what others there have already said. As far as my "ancestors,'' I' m not sure what you are driving at. They were all very pro education, but how could I possibly know about the question?" They aren't alive to ask!
As far as education changing...I support it however it comes .Surely you know that by now! Home schooling...sure,why not. Long distance learning? It's not new. Some remote areas have always done it. Practical education for today's kids? absolutely. More state control...sure, up to a point. We still have to compete in a 24 hour a day world setting, not just in little local enclaves unless those kids are to be powerless to go anywhere else to live and work.I'm not being mean .We see it here even now. Kids who come in from some states are at least a year behind! It's not fair to them.
As far as teacher testing... Most states give those tests in college, before teaching certificates are awarded in the first place. I remember taking mine and it was very difficult. Like taking medical boards, but for teaching.
But your whole interest here seems to be, who can you blame. Is that really constructive? You sure aren't getting much response.
IMHO, people who live there and are are personally affected, are tired of it and have moved on to looking at things from different angles now. They don't think you will ever be satisfied,are a chronic complainer, and have disconnected. You have had your elections. How about giving your commissioners a chance to settle in?
Quote from Diane:
You sure aren't getting much response.
IMHO, people who live there and are are personally affected, are tired of it and have moved on to looking at things from different angles now. They don't think you will ever be satisfied,are a chronic complainer, and have disconnected
So says who ? The 6-7 cheerleaders you correspond with ? Maybe the responses have slacked off due to the fact that most of the people have a life away from their keyboard
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
Anybody is free to read or ignore me as always. I wanted YOUR personal opinion ,period.
You must have serious amnesia problems if you truly don't remember what Cat and others have said collectively about the space in the school and how it's used. ( peanut gallery?)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
As far as where I live... Do you not remember or are you twisting my tail? If I was in NJ I'd probably be rebuilding now ..I do not live in the north east. It's a mid Atlantic state and the latitude isn't that much different from yours. I guess you cut your geography classes, huh? ;)
Where I live is immaterial to this and I was in no way comparing you to here. I was comparing you to what others there have already said.
That was my point where you live doesn't matter. The fact that you do not live here and are not a citizen. And do not vote or pay taxes is the important thing. Which contributes to your ignorance of what is happening here in Elk County. And a reason you don't recognize the wrong doing happening here. IMO!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
As far as my "ancestors,'' I' m not sure what you are driving at. They were all very pro education, but how could I possibly know about the question?" They aren't alive to ask!
Quote from: Ross on December 28, 2012, 07:49:54 AM
Did your ancestors have outsider facilitators telling them how to live?
Did they?
To simplify it!
Did anyone in Elk County ever hear of a facilitator, let alone a Professional Facilitator before Elk Konnected, LLC came along?
Did your mamma or daddy ever hire an outsider from the other side of the state to think for them, or to tell them how to live their lives in Elk County or anywhere else they may have lived?
Is that simple enough for you Diane?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
As far as education changing...I support it however it comes .Surely you know that by now! Home schooling...sure,why not. Long distance learning? It's not new. Some remote areas have always done it. Practical education for today's kids? absolutely. More state control...sure, up to a point.
What does that have to do with building a new school. Absolutely nothing.
That was not the point of the post, but I suppose that makes no difference to you!
But let's look at it this way:
Even, if they are bullshitting you and ignoring the fact that you are a voter, a taxpayer and a citizen?
Even, if they want to double your property tax to put a chandelier on top of the flag post?
You would gladly support such actions?
Yes, that is extreme but that is the point.
You would gladly support it, right?
Just like building a Taj Mahal in one of the poorest counties in Kansas, you would support that as well, right?
You are aware there is a world wide monetary crisis happening?
You have heard of austerity, right?
You are aware of our drought situation and the financial impact it could have on Elk County, right?
Just what the hell do you base your thinking on?
Besides spending OPM (Other Peoples Money)?
Well, you may just make a huge donation in support of a support group. $5.5 million should cover all their wants don't you think? That should cover the cost of a Taj Mahal near Howard? But will it improve the education to make West Elk a Blue Ribbon School? NO!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
We still have to compete in a 24 hour a day world setting, not just in little local enclaves unless those kids are to be powerless to go anywhere else to live and work.I'm not being mean .We see it here even now. Kids who come in from some states are at least a year behind! It's not fair to them.
Again: What does that have to do with building a new school.
Absolutely nothing.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
As far as teacher testing... Most states give those tests in college, before teaching certificates are awarded in the first place. I remember taking mine and it was very difficult. Like taking medical boards, but for teaching.
Give me a break! You broached the subject of testing teachers and I guess I have to repeat myself, so here goes.
First you said:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 10:26:03 AM
I would be interested in knowing what you mean by ''better'' teachers. Are you saying your teachers now are not good at what they do? Why do you think a pay increase would make them better teachers?
How would you rate them? A teacher test? Student performance? Parent satisfaction? Professional observations? Advanced degrees?
I said:
Quote from: Ross on December 28, 2012, 12:56:45 PM
But yes, testing could be done. I know back in the eighties the State of Texas did it state wide. And a considerable number of teachers were found to be unable to pass the test, even given three attempts with study in between testing.
To add to that, I do have a cousin and her husband that are both retired school teachers.
One was an excellent teacher and the other not so excellent. So, yes, not all school teachers are equal.
I am just accommodating you, because you can't seem to stay on topic.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 28, 2012, 02:14:04 PM
But your whole interest here seems to be, who can you blame. Is that really constructive? You sure aren't getting much response.
IMHO, people who live there and are are personally affected, are tired of it and have moved on to looking at things from different angles now. They don't think you will ever be satisfied,are a chronic complainer, and have disconnected. You have had your elections. How about giving your commissioners a chance to settle in?
Is that the best you can do as put down? If calling a concerned citizen a chronic complainer is the right thing to do, I plead guilty as hell.
Oh, you are so right as a concerned parent, a concerned taxpayer, as a voter and as a concerned citizen that lives here. I am totally dis-konnected from small groups of failures. Thank you for mentioning that, I truly appreciate that. But you failed to put the "K" on that connected. That is not the proper spelling here in Elk County, sorry about that? But you are over a thousand miles away, so I understand!
Even spelling is changing along with cursive being dropped around the country by the education system and with texting.
Great points, Diane.
But back on subject.
Will a costly Taj Mahal outside of Howard improve West Elk to a Blue Ribbon School?
Quote from: jarhead on December 28, 2012, 03:39:29 PM
Quote from Diane:
You sure aren't getting much response.
IMHO, people who live there and are are personally affected, are tired of it and have moved on to looking at things from different angles now. They don't think you will ever be satisfied,are a chronic complainer, and have disconnected
So says who ? The 6-7 cheerleaders you correspond with ? Maybe the responses have slacked off due to the fact that most of the people have a life away from their keyboard
Sorry Jarhead, I had to respond at least one more time.
I was so enjoying the conversation with Diane.
But enough is enough. So it's break time.
Do you realize how long it takes this old salt and redneck to hunt and peck all these keys?
I think my dog could do it faster. LOL
There was a communist group over east of Cedar Vale in the 1870's. These communists owned
and leased a half section of land in the name of "The Progressive Community". Like its counterpart
in Russia, it was not successful.
Nowadays, the communists want all to contribute by and thru the government tax system to their causes.
Ross, stay right in there. There's folks in Elk County who support liberty.
Document, please - not just hearsay:
Quote from: Ross on December 20, 2012, 09:56:58 AM
There are plenty of solutions for the school board to give serious consideration to during these financially trying times. For instance, repeating myself,
• Re-opening the Moline Grade School
• Considering that the West Elk school building was designed to hold 600 students and the district only has 300.
• Wasn't West Elk built for 600 students hoping for growth in the communities of Elk County?
• From what little I have seen of the school building there is plenty of wasted floor space in the offices.
• Consider moving the offices of the school Superintendent and principle in one office in the main building. And if you give it some serious thought you only need one principle for one building. This would save on school expenditures. You could also cut half of the staff freeing up more floor space and saving more tax dollars. This could then open of the district office to be used for class rooms.
What document or official says the building was designed to hold 600 students?
What office(s) have wasted floor space?
Where, in the high school, would you put the Superintendent's office, the Board Secretary's office, the District Secretary's office, the Special Ed office, the Transportation office (so you could, as you imply, close the district office)? If you put classes in the district office, aren't you just trading room occupants and not really freeing up new space?
Which staff would you specifically cut?
How would that fee up more floor space?
Ross, to have a serious discussion, specifics need to be mentioned, not just rumors. I think if these are some of the solutions you are proposing, then you need to be more detailed, not just generalities.
Thanks.
I work in the high school and don't see any of these as viable.
PS - Not discussing re-opening Moline and Severy at this time. That's a separate topic.
Mom70x7 you are very much entitled to your opinion, just as I am.
My opinion is, that before engaging in incurring more debt for the taxpayers because Howard or an NGO wants a Taj Mahal outside of Howard, some proper studies should be performed!
Does hiring a University to send down several Professors to perform a study about the school district qualify? Apparently the school board and district superintendent thought so! I was told they received a good report from the university. So why did the district refuse to post the report and not let the voters and citizens see it?
Does hiring yet anther person, a single man, a Professor and Professional Facilitator, qualify over several Professors and a Whole University, does he alone, by himself, Qualify more to do the job?
In my opinion it is simply a set up, for someone to bamboozle the taxpayers, much in the same way that Chautauqua County citizens were bamboozled, into building their new county jail. Now those folks will most likely have much higher taxes to pay for a very long time.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on December 29, 2012, 08:46:01 AM
I work in the high school and don't see any of these as viable.
PS - Not discussing re-opening Moline and Severy at this time. That's a separate topic.
Perhaps because you work at the school and work for the taxpayers, just perhaps you are to close to the situation to see with an open mind. Do you perhaps consider yourself to be Konnected? This is a very important question and deserves an answer in my opinion! If no answer, I would simply have to considered you as Konnected, thank you.
Here on the forum anything is open for discussion. And I have only suggested considering the Moline Grade School nothing about Severy.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on December 29, 2012, 08:46:01 AM
PS - Not discussing re-opening Moline and Severy at this time. That's a separate topic.
No, I disagree with you. This is about the Konnected President of the School Board and possibly an NGO, thinking they need to build more school to house the children. And the Moline Grade School in my opinion still provides a viable solution and should be considered. Or does it matter about taxing the hell out of property owners?
So you have insider information about who is discussing what inside the walls of West Elk, is that what you are saying?
But once again you are entitled to your opinion, just as I am.
I have only made suggestions, not demands! Therefore there is no requirement for me to provide any proof at this time. Just like you saying you work there and see no spare room, perhaps you are looking at the wrong places, perhaps you don't want to see the unused space for some reason. And I am not saying that to be ugly, just a suggestion.
If the district can afford to throw away money for a University and a Professor/Professional Facilitator don't you suppose they could afford to utilize a reputable firm to provide an engineer and an architect to provide information about adjusting the building to handle all the school children? Wouldn't an engineer and an architect be more qualified than a Professor and professional facilitator to make a determination of that nature? That building is huge!
Or as I previously suggested why not put the children back in the MOLINE Grade school which has all the amenities and would be much cheaper to do a few repairs to? Is it because Howard doesn't want to bus their children out of town, but it's okay for everyone else to?
Is this really all about the children? Or is it just about building that Taj Mahal at great expense to the taxpayers?
Another thought, does West Elk really need two principals and a superintendent for one campus?
The Elk Valley School District has ONE school principle for their grade school campus that also serves as District Superintendent and his office is located right there in the high school. That surely saves the district tons of money, I bet. So why are we paying for unnecessary personnel? Is it that Elk Valley has a far more qualified District Superintendent/Principal? Or is it because West Elk needs the jobs for friends and family of certain people?
What I am suggesting efficiency so the school could recruit and maintain better teachers just as the Professor/Professional Facilitator told us at the open meeting he was facilitating. Perhaps the school board might throw some money away at an efficiency expert? Major companies do it all the time.
Just suggestions, nothing more.
What is really going on behind the scene? Real Question?
And if you haven't noticed I am full of questions, because I don't have any answers, just suggestions. I also feel other people should be questioning what is going on, because they are also being asked to pay for it.
What ever it is?
Is there a problem with people questioning their local government?
Do you approve of everything the federal government does?
OK Ross, now I understand your one question.
No, as far as I know neither of my parents ever hired anyone relating to our schools. They both were country folk and were never on their respective school boards. Actually,here the duPont family dictated much of how several schools operated .They built them and caused the consolidation of many little country one room school houses back in the 30's. They chose to build the new Kennett Consolidated School in Kennett Square PA. Kids were bused there from many miles away. But in those days transportation was cheap. I myself rode the bus for 40 min. every bus ride.
There was a school board of course ,but guess who actually ran it? ;) They also pretty much own the UD College of Engineering. Students who do well there are just about guaranteed a job later. Yes, I digress.
By the way, I most certainly am a citizen!
As far as comments about my not being on topic....Red, your local gopher pops up with his usual speech in the middle of ANY topic. I find that very funny and entertaining.
Ross, I'm surprised that you don't think your local people can decide what is right for them. Perhaps many actually want the expertise of a professional to help with such a sticky and important topic.
I was on here when the other proposal was made a few years back ,saw the plans and read all the comments. I do understand the little towns fighting for their individuality and having a local school is certainly part of that. But when any one place doesn't have critical mass to support their own version of everything, something has to give.
Reopening mothballed schools isn't cheap either. Depending on how long the school has been closed, the new technology isn't in place and other systems are expensively out of date. We've seen that here too as population shifts around and there are child boomlets or decreased population in certain ages. Of course those things can be predicted in advance in many cases. It's not just a matter of shifting kids or floor space, but I'll not waste your time trying to explain that to you. Different grades and different subjects have different needs.
Are you going to step up and publicly accuse your school board of the"bamboozlement'' you seem to think is happening? Or will you just complain here? Have any of you asked to see the report?
You really want a Blue Ribbon school? It certainly can be done, but it takes parents, teachers ,the school board, a good curriculum and children who are ready to learn working together to do it.
It's gently snowing big fluffy flakes right now and it is absolutely beautiful!. Have a nice day.
There is only one principal at West Elk for grades pre-K through 12th. The superintendent has triple duty of being a superintendent, food management, and the director of the special education department for the coop that consists of Sedan, Elk Valley, and West Elk.
Quote from: Ross on December 29, 2012, 10:01:28 AM
Perhaps because you work at the school and work for the taxpayers, just perhaps you are to close to the situation to see with an open mind. Do you perhaps consider yourself to be Konnected? This is a very important question and deserves an answer in my opinion! If no answer, I would simply have to considered you as Konnected, thank you.
I'll give you an answer, even though you did not answer my specific questions.
Yes, I like Elk Konnected. I think they have done good things for the children of Elk County, provided them with group activities they would not have had without Elk Konnected. I haven't attended their meetings. I don't feel the need to; I trust the people I know.
Yes, I work for the taxpayers and I'm proud to do so. I'm diligent in my work and, as most school employees do, donate time and resources to the school.
However - that has nothing to do with space at the high school. Yes, I work there. I work in a room that is used constantly throughout the day. We have no extra space. As a matter of fact, because the room is used continually, there are some activities that cannot take place - we don't have the space for them.
Now, my questions, that you have not yet answered:Who, or what document, said the school was built for 600 students? I think you can't continue with that figure without some proof. Otherwise, it's just hearsay and gossip, not discussion.
What office space is wasted? If you can't provide specific ideas, then it's just speculation and gossip, not a fact.
What staff would you cut? Which staff members are not needed? What floor space would be saved by cutting staff?
Without specific, productive suggestions, I don't see a discussion happening.
[quoteThis is about the Konnected President of the School Board and possibly an NGO, thinking....][/quote]
and that, right there is the topic for today!
Space??? how dare you mom70x7 to ask Ross for documented specifics specifics. You SHOULD have asked: "Why hasn't the facilitator, that we as taxpayers paid for, thought of how to minimize that space????" Have they even see the school rooms on a regular unscheduled visit" Are they Konnected too? (tongue out of cheek now)
Ross, Should people ask questions of our Government? Yes
Do we always look at the decisions as favorable? No. Why?
In this scenario, the WHOLE picture is what matters.....education, teachers, and Pride.
You, my dear have taken this School issue and attached a wide paint brush to paint one, but many small negative pictures .
The local county government is one thing.....however to spill this theory over to the school district (yes, I understand a KONEECTED member is one of the GROUP!) is another..
goat head (my term for go ahead) and pick me apart. Seperately my statements will mean something totally different than the WHOLE concept of my idea.
If you didn't elect the members of the school board to bid your calling as you collectively wish, then call them out on a decision? Is that how you run the county?
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on December 29, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
QuoteThis is about the Konnected President of the School Board and possibly an NGO, thinking....]
and that, right there is the topic for today!
Space??? how dare you mom70x7 to ask Ross for documented specifics specifics. You SHOULD have asked: "Why hasn't the facilitator, that we as taxpayers paid for, thought of how to minimize that space????" Have they even see the school rooms on a regular unscheduled visit" Are they Konnected too? (tongue out of cheek now)
Ross, Should people ask questions of our Government? Yes
Do we always look at the decisions as favorable? No. Why?
In this scenario, the WHOLE picture is what matters.....education, teachers, and Pride.
You, my dear have taken this School issue and attached a wide paint brush to paint one, but many small negative pictures .
The local county government is one thing.....however to spill this theory over to the school district (yes, I understand a KONEECTED member is one of the GROUP!) is another..
goat head (my term for go ahead) and pick me apart. Seperately my statements will mean something totally different than the WHOLE concept of my idea.
If you didn't elect the members of the school board to bid your calling as you collectively wish, then call them out on a decision? Is that how you run the county?
ready
HUH???
Why not close down the Elk County schools? Government should not provide an education
to anyone as far I can tell.
That ought to make the education lobby happy - of course the government does not owe
them a job either.
Can you tell I'm not into promoting "The Progressive Community"?
fight the urge to respond....fight the urge to respond....fight the urge to respond...don't feed the gopher. :angel:
mom, I wasn't referring to you. Only that you shouldn't confuse the facts with opinions! :'(
ready
mom you said what I said all this time ek kon. does for kids not the rest of us maybe I had kids too early in life
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 30, 2012, 01:11:41 PM
fight the urge to respond....fight the urge to respond....fight the urge to respond...don't feed the gopher. :angel:
I fought the urge Diane, but the urge won out.
Perhaps we should listen to the long distant
overly educated konnected Diane and ignore everything
we know and let others think for us!
For instance a tiny little group of people belonging to an NGO.
CHECK PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD FOR BRILLIANCE!
Fine. Then listen to the wise Red and close 'em down...What will you have accomplished? ::)
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Fine. Then listen to the wise Red and close 'em down...What will
you have accomplished? ::)
That is a very proper konnected response is it?
Especially after posting, fight the urge to respond.
ROTFLMAO! LOL
That is real sensible thinking on your part IMO!
The great konnected way isn't it?
SEE PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD FOR LOTS MORE WISDOM. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 30, 2012, 08:10:55 PM
Fine. Then listen to the wise Red and close 'em down...What will you have accomplished? ::)
By closing down public schools [and keeping government completely out of anything school related]? That would begin the healing process this country desperately needs. Having only private schools or home schooling, if one is able, would mark a huge turning point for this country allowing us to rebuild it to its former glory. Oh, how nice that would be.
Quote from: mtcookson on December 31, 2012, 10:37:32 AM
By closing down public schools [and keeping government completely out of anything school related]? That would begin the healing process this country desperately needs. Having only private schools or home schooling, if one is able, would mark a huge turning point for this country allowing us to rebuild it to its former glory. Oh, how nice that would be.
Outstanding post mtcookson .
I taught many a sailor aboard ship, but those methods would not work well with children, LOL
Having worked for the federal government for twenty years and witnessed first hand the amount of lying even or the petty stuff, I wonder how we can trust any of them at the top of the food chain.
If I felt remotely qualified to home school, I would, but I don't, so I won't.
I know my limitations. And as I pointed out there are certified teachers out there that are not really qualified. That was also brought to my attention by the school board and their hired Proffessor/Facilitator.
Fantastic County Commissioners meeting this morning.
It's too bad I had to leave early.
But I guess this meeting was called for balancing books and getting department head reports.
Usually their meetings are the first Monday and second Monday of the month, not the last Monday of the month. So it must be like a clean up day of sorts.
There was only one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner present. I was informed Mr. Liebau is ill today and would not be showing up. For a little bit it didn't appear that the other Konnected Kounty Kommissioner was going to show up and people were beginning to get a little antsy. Someone joked that Mr. Hebb might have to be sworn in early.
But before many people showed up our Youth Development Employee showed up with a laptop that she connected a projector to and flashed a picture up on the wall. I asked told the man sitting beside me that the picture looked just like an Elk connected picture. You know what, I was right.
Well, our Youth Development Employee was called on first to make her report as department head of Youth Development. Well, I know if I had ever pulled what she did in presenting a report I would most likely have been terminated right there on the spot. She turned her report over to the Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Development Action Team. Someone not employed by the county but representing an NGO, specifically Elk Konnected, LLC making the report to an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner! Why?
This person from the Elk Konnected, LLS Youth Development Action Team report on things that went back 3 or 4 years ago most of which has been pointed out in this thread that Elk County was responsible for but Elk Konnected, LLC took credit for. Otherwise there would not have been much for a report for this year.
(Oh, for you folks that argued that a whole lot more kids showed up for that Kick, Pass & Punt, well this lady only reported maybe 25 kids showed up. Kinda makes me think it was only for kids of the Konnected, Just a thought.)
Why is our employee allowed to let someone else give her Department Head report?
In the future will Elk Konnected, LLC be allowed to give Department Head reports for the road Department Head?
In the future will Elk Konnected, LLC be allowed to give Department Head reports for the EMS Department Head?
In the future will Elk Konnected, LLC be allowed to give Department Head reports for the Sheriff's Department Head?
How about we allow other citizens, taxpayers, voters and other LLC's just give a report on their favorite subjects, in order to try to make themselves look good.
Where will the B.S. with Elk Konnected, LLC end as far as the continuation of trying to control our county government?
Do we need to continue to employee a Youth Development Employee?
It was Elk connected, LLC who suggested to the Konnected Kounty Komissioners that the county hire her? But what does she do?
She doesn't even give her year end report, does she, Elk Konnected, LLC did it?
Let's let Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company have her, they wanted her hired, right? Let them pay her wages and the county can save a bundle of money?
Or does Elk Konnected, LLC really want her or are they just using her?
How about it Elk Konnected, LLC which is it?
MT, sounds very romantic, but not very practical.
Who would run the general private or religious schools?(does elk County have any private schools of any kind?) Where would the money come from? So only the very wealthy will have educations for their kids? No sharing of resources for efficiency?
Where would the teachers come from? Colleges would stop teaching for teacher certificates because they wouldn't be able to supply the needs of a kazillion little areas, all with their own programs.
How would the kids get to school? or not. How many grades do you think your child really needs? What about other kids?
Home schooling is fine, but they aren't as totally independent as you might think. How would curriculum be developed for each grade that would suit each and every parent or guardian? Would you know or care that your child was competing well with other areas? How would potential employers know if your child knew what was was necessary for the job they were applying for? Hiring exams?
No more art, music, sports or clubs? Too expensive! No languages.. English is it, and local English at that. Kids would have to live where ever they were born, because that's the only education they would have gotten ,whatever the local school taught. No more higher education? So all your professional people would have to be outsiders, or only in the biggest cities?Think about it. what else would you drop because it cost too much?
I agree, I could do with less Gov't interference in schooling too, but are you willing to accept that if your child has special needs they will be washed out and won't be helped because it's too expensive? Who decides ? Then what becomes of them? A life of crime? An early death? Back to work houses?
Back to our glory days? Mind telling me when that was? ;D ;D ;D
This really isn't as silly as it might seem, if you really think about it. You may be trying to solve the wrong problem. Rural Kansas isn't all there is in this country though.
I do have serious concerns about the future of public education in this whole country, but they are the not same concerns.
Ross, on the last day of the year, the county is required to get the books balanced, get all bills paid, and do something with any money that might be left in someone's budget. This happens every year and has to be done before noon. If the last day happens to fall on a Saturday or Sunday, then the county must meet on the last business day of the year.
Starting tomorrow, Jan. 1st, it is a new budget for all departments.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on December 31, 2012, 06:10:04 PM
Ross, on the last day of the year, the county is required to get the books balanced, get all bills paid, and do something with any money that might be left in someone's budget. This happens every year and has to be done before noon. If the last day happens to fall on a Saturday or Sunday, then the county must meet on the last business day of the year.
Starting tomorrow, Jan. 1st, it is a new budget for all departments.
I think I uuderstiif that Janet. What I didn't understand was:
Quote from: Ross on December 31, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Well, our Youth Development Employee was called on first to make her report as department head of Youth Development. Well, I know if I had ever pulled what she did in presenting a report I would most likely have been terminated right there on the spot. She turned her report over to the Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Development Action Team. Someone not employed by the county but representing an NGO, specifically Elk Konnected, LLC making the report to an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner! Why?
This person from the Elk Konnected, LLS Youth Development Action Team reported on things that went back 3 or 4 years ago most of which has been pointed out in this thread that Elk County was responsible for but Elk Konnected, LLC took credit for. Otherwise there would not have been much for a report for this year.
What, I consider disrespect for our County Government Officials by failing to provide a proper report, which she our Youth Development Employee is paid to
Quote from: Janet Harrington on December 31, 2012, 06:10:04 PM
Ross, on the last day of the year, the county is required to get the books balanced, get all bills paid, and do something with any money that might be left in someone's budget. This happens every year and has to be done before noon. If the last day happens to fall on a Saturday or Sunday, then the county must meet on the last business day of the year.
Starting tomorrow, Jan. 1st, it is a new budget for all departments.
I think I understood that Janet. What I didn't understand was:
Quote from: Ross on December 31, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Well, our Youth Development Employee was called on first to make her report as department head of Youth Development. Well, I know if I had ever pulled what she did in presenting a report I would most likely have been terminated right there on the spot. She turned her report over to the Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Development Action Team. Someone not employed by the county but representing an NGO, specifically Elk Konnected, LLC making the report to an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner! Why?
This person from the Elk Konnected, LLS Youth Development Action Team report on things that went back 3 or 4 years ago most of which has been pointed out in this thread that Elk County was responsible for but Elk Konnected, LLC took credit for. Otherwise there would not have been much for a report for this year.
What, I consider disrespect for our County Government Officials by failing to provide a proper report, which she our Youth Development Employee is paid to provide. Instead of giving her report, she turns it over to Elk Konnected, LLC, which IMO, provided a false form of advertise to the county Commissioner. Very disrespectful of and by its self, IMO!
I'd almost bet no other county in Kansas permits such disrespect.
I sure hope today was the end of such disrespect Elk County.
And one less Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, hint, hint.
provide. Instead of giving her report, she turns it over to Elk Konnected, LLC, which IMO, provided a false form of advertise to the county Commissioner. Very disrespectful of and by its self, IMO!
I'd almost bet no other county in Kansas permits such disrespect.
I sure hope today was the end of such disrespect Elk County.
And one less Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, hint, hint.
Looks like you all have discovered there's a position in Elk County that can be abolsihed.
That ought to save some money.
Quote from: redcliffsw on January 01, 2013, 10:49:10 AM
Looks like you all have discovered there's a position in Elk County that can be abolsihed.
That ought to save some money.
When you account for wages, benefits & costs associated with that position, a bit over 2 mills by my calculations. Let's hope the new commission has sharper pencils and better loyalty to the Constitution than prior boards have demonstrated.
Quote from: Ross on December 31, 2012, 11:08:59 AM
Well, our Youth Development Employee was called on first to make her report as department head of Youth Development. Well, I know if I had ever pulled what she did in presenting a report I would most likely have been terminated right there on the spot. She turned her report over to the Elk Konnected, LLC Youth Development Action Team. Someone not employed by the county but representing an NGO, specifically Elk Konnected, LLC making the report to an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner!
I thought the Elk Konnected, LLC board meeting went well.... but did you notice the name Elk Konnected, LLC was dishonestly left out of the presentation? The title page in the presentation only named the
Youth Action Team, but I didn't realize the Elk County government even had a Youth Action Team. However, Elk Konnected, LLC does. Typical liberal progressive liars.... manipulation and pure intellectual dishonesty.
Well, Kommissioner Hendricks, your successor has been elected, your term is about over. Your family, friends and political cronies have all been rewarded with millions in wind farm lease income, property improvements, tax rebate programs & foolish wastes of taxpayer monies on historical preservation half steps all while you padded your personal resume and advanced as a 'community organizer'. It's been a good 12 year run for you & your private sector pals on the backs of the taxpayers. Good luck and good riddance.
We'll hope for a more conservative and fiscally responsible future for the majority of good Elk County citizens. Now, about your role model Obama......
Oh.... Happy New Year!
Patriot you are a nut case like Ross. I sincerely wish the best for Mr. Hebb. I also want to thank Liz for 12 years of good hard work for Elk Co. If everything is wrong here please tell us all why you stay?
PROELKCO you are right on.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 01:38:41 PM
Patriot you are a nut case like Ross. I sincerely wish the best for Mr. Hebb. I also want to thank Liz for 12 years of good hard work for Elk Co. If everything is wrong here please tell us all why you stay?
Nut case? Your amateur psychiatry training is showing again. LOL
I never said 'everything' is wrong here. Please don't put words in my mouth or make such unfounded assumptions. Perhaps you would have been a better fit in an 1800's wild west community where power, position, control and benefit was vested in only those with resources & relatives, the rest of the public be damned. Are you, perhaps, one of the privileged few? I opine that Woodrow Wilson, J Edgar Hoover & Franklin Roosevelt (in their background methods) would have loved the way you and yours think & operate. They're all cognate. Progressive to the end.
Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!I do, however, find it particularly shameful that you support and constantly defend elected officials and/or government employees who, by their actions, demonstrate a lack of integrity and expose personal characters that do not generally operate in the best interests of the public trust.
As for my reasons for staying here... ultimately that is yours to guess. ;)
Your last post is again arrogant and nuts.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 04:09:28 PM
Your last post is again arrogant and nuts.
What is it with socialists, liberals & progressives? Always with the name calling. Fascinating. As the youth of the recent decade have come to say, "
Whatever".
Nan, when you're ready to have a real debate on real issues & facts, let us know.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 01:38:41 PM
Patriot you are a nut case like Ross. I sincerely wish the best for Mr. Hebb. I also want to thank Liz for 12 years of good hard work for Elk Co. If everything is wrong here please tell us all why you stay?
Wow! I agree with Proelkco for a change, how amazing it that? Not a bit offensive but a badge of honor.
The man has finally said something that makes sense. Atta boy Proelkco!
You know, it's crazy folks like myself and several other people on this thread that made this a free country and many before and after that have maintained that freedom as veterans of our military service. And damn proud of it.
Where as, it appears to me and is my personal opinion, that certain NGO's similar to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks, also known as President of Public Squares Communities, INC and self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC seem to have a goal of undermining our county government. What do you think of that?
HOW?
By having attitude, IMO.
What attitude, you may ask does Elk Konnected, LLC have?
By disrespectfully Commandeering the following:
• Having two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners have the controlling votes on the
County commissioners board. Soon to end, thank GOD.
• Commandeering the Official County Web site for their own use.
• Commandeering the Official County Emergency Call system to announce the cancellation of one of their functions.
• Commandeering an Official County Commissioners meeting to provide a slide show to the board which was basically an advertisement for Elk Konnected, LLC.
• By Elk Konnected, LLC appearing to cover up for the "Konnected" Elk County Youth Development employee's lack of respect for the County Commissioners Board, by not giving her Department report.
Do these people have any respect for anyone or anything? I'd really like to know!
I find these attitudes and actions both deplorable and rude, and also reflect's a lack of class IMO.
And what I consider exploitation of children for advertising this privately owned company.
Where is the decency and couth in these activities, I ask you.
I also believe in the very near future you will learn more about how they have used me and you and our county government, I don't believe you will be too proud of it, all we need do is set back and wait, right? I'm waiting are you? I predict plenty of headlines in the Prairie Star!
That is my vision not the visionaries of Elk Konnected, LLC just so we are not confused.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks even admitted in the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting to starting Elk Konnected, LLC by dissing two of our communities in an open letter on the internet and I believe in the magazine Kansas Country Living. That is great publicity for Elk County isn't it.
I'd rather be a redneck, than be connected with crap as outlined on this page.
In my opinion there is just nothing there to provide a konnection to be proud of.
Perhaps that is why only a few claim to be connected, do you suppose?
Just read this thread to make your own decision.
Do you wish to be konnected?
Are you connected?
Are you ashamed to admit being konnected?
Happy New Year, NEW County Commissioners Board. We are pulling for you!
In with the new Non-Konnected County Commissioners Board.
Out with the OLD konnected kounty kommissioner kontrolled Board!
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 01:38:41 PM
I also want to thank Liz for 12 years of good hard work for Elk Co.
I just want to tell her goodbye and here comes a better
County Commissioners Board.
That is a lot more then the School Board gave her, isn't it?
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 01:38:41 PM
If everything is wrong here please tell us all why you stay?
You must be older than myself and perhaps a bit confused. No one, let me repeat no one has ever said everything is wrong. Or is that what you thing about our beautiful county?
I am here because I choose to! I chose to move here because I like the beauty of the county and most people are genuinely friendly. And it is located close enough to several major cities in the event I need one. I'd much rather avoid the craziness of the city, the traffic and such. Besides they won't prmit me to have a few cows in the city, LOL.
Why do you stay here if you feel everything is wrong?
Is it so you can be connected?
Good Luck with that.
Why in heavens name would the school board need to say something to Liz,Ross? The only thing wrong in Elk County is people like you and Patriot that like to start gossip or talk down to people.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
The only thing wrong in Elk County is people like you and Patriot that like to start gossip or talk down to people.
If you're sincere in your position, then perhaps you could illustrate & prove your potentially libelous claim by pointing to anything I've said that is, by virtue of falsity or privacy, gossip?
You know, much of Ross' recent assessment may be correct. Having now seen, first hand, that certain 'respected' individuals in this county have openly referred negatively to various communities while others have referred wrongly to various citizens as CAVE people or refuse to acknowledge their affiliation with Elk County and obscure the truth by saying they reside in Wichita or simply 'in the Flint Hills', perhaps their personal shame & embarrassment should be viewed with pity.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Why in heavens name would the school board need to say something to Liz,Ross? The only thing wrong in Elk County is people like you and Patriot that like to start gossip or talk down to people.
Quote from: proelkco on January 01, 2013, 07:25:16 PM
Why in heavens name would the school board need to say something to Liz,Ross? The only thing wrong in Elk County is people like you and Patriot that like to start gossip or talk down to people.
You must really be older than me or don't read this thread.
When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school board even her relative of fellow Konnected School Board didn't even thank her for her service to the school, did he?
What gossip are you starting about gossip?
What gossip are you talking about?
Do you disapprove of people discussing and communicating?
Do you disapprove of questions about what is going on in Elk County?
If any are lies or gossip, why don't you disprove it?
Or is it you just don't believe County Business is the peoples business?
Is there something you are trying to hide, behind calling people names?
Are you a member of "The Old Guard" that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks referred to in her letter?
Or are you a bona fide member of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Can you explain who the bona fide members of Elk Konnected, LLC are?
Or perhaps you think Elk Konnected, LLC is a rumor, is that it?
\What rumors are you speaking of?
Or is that simply you way of bullying people?
Enlighten us of your wisdom, please?
You just don't want the truth to come out do you?
What happens when the headlines start telling what has been planned?
Do you suppose that could happen?
I think that I am going to ask the County Commissioners to put our county web site to good use and print the names and locations and cost to the county in property taxes for the "Beggar Thy Neighbor" program called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" because it is "Public Information", under the freedom of information act. If they won't do it I will.
Then there won't be any rumors about that will there!
Before, I go for the night, I really would like to know what rumors you are talking about, please?
Would it be anything like the big numbers of dollars that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks told us that her NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC had in their coffers? I don't believe that was a rumor, but you tell me, please? She put the figures right here in this thread.
Is it rumors that the county acquired money to put on the Summer Day Camps and paid our Youth Development Employee to handle it?
Is it rumours that our Konnected Elk County Youth Development Employee put the Nname Elk Konnected on them?
Please what rumors?
Good night and good luck coming up with any rumors.
Quote from: Patriot on January 01, 2013, 08:30:11 PM
You know, much of Ross' recent assessment may be correct. Having now seen, first hand, that certain 'respected' individuals in this county have openly referred negatively to various communities while others have referred wrongly to various citizens as CAVE people or refuse to acknowledge their affiliation with Elk County and obscure the truth by saying they reside in Wichita or simply 'in the Flint Hills', perhaps their personal shame & embarrassment should be viewed with pity.
All I can say about that CAVE thing is, they must have me confused with their ilk.
First and foremost I am a citizen of the United States Of America.
Next, Born and raised in Kansas.
A Kansas State Veteran of the Vietnam War.
And a bona fide resident and citizen of Elk County, by choice.
I happen to love this little county, but I can't say the same of a small group of small minded people belonging to an NGO that puts our citizens and communities down. Such a nasty habit to form here in beautiful Elk County.
And above all, I was born a redneck and I am a redneck not some phony baloney pretender.
So, I hope they enjoy their CAVE, no skin off my bones because it just shows ignorance on their part. Sort of juvenile, like high school bullies, I assume.
A proud redneck,
I'll be till the day
I pass
to better
grazing grounds.
Ross, you wrote this...When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school board even her relative of fellow Konnected School Board didn't even thank her for her service to the school, did he?
Hendricks quit from the job as the volleyball coach. She didn't quit from the school board. To my knowledge, Hendricks has never been on the school board.
As for the school board not thanking her for the service to the school, I am not aware of the school board telling anyone that has quit working there thank you. Why would they when the employee chose to quit?
You are exactly right Janet. My children go to West Elk and I know of a few coaches over the past couple of years that have quit coaching and they did not receive any kind of acknowledgement from the board. IMO, this is Ross trying to attack Mrs. Hendrick's character.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on January 02, 2013, 07:53:36 PM
Ross, you wrote this...When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school board even her relative of fellow Konnected School Board didn't even thank her for her service to the school, did he?
Hendricks quit from the job as the volleyball coach. She didn't quit from the school board. To my knowledge, Hendricks has never been on the school board.
As for the school board not thanking her for the service to the school, I am not aware of the school board telling anyone that has quit working there thank you. Why would they when the employee chose to quit?
You read something in there I did not say! I never said anything about her being on the school board.
School boards have been known to thank teachers for their services, it's that simple.
What is difficult about that?
Why?
As a courtesy and for the appreciation of their service to the school district?
Or are you suggesting the school board lacks the graciousness and couth to do such a thing?
I read the newspaper and still no activity out of her Elk Konnected, LLC about improving the quality of life in Elk County.
And it appears she missed her last opportunity to publish her final Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting report. Such a shame, it could have been fun reading.
Oh well, onward to a better Elk County Commissioners Board, and all the best to them
in the new year, and hopefully some well deserved changes for Elk County.....
Quote from: daisy on January 02, 2013, 08:12:10 PM
You are exactly right Janet. My children go to West Elk and I know of a few coaches over the past couple of years that have quit coaching and they did not receive any kind of acknowledgement from the board. IMO, this is Ross trying to attack Mrs. Hendrick's character.
That doesn't even require a remark.
Only to read this thread!
IMHO!
Does anyone, anyone at all
admit to being a konnected follower?
Quote from: Ross on January 02, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
You read something in there I did not say! I never said anything about her being on the school board.
School boards have been known to thank teachers for their services, it's that simple.
What is difficult about that?
Why?
As a courtesy and for the appreciation of their service to the school district?
Or are you suggesting the school board lacks the graciousness and couth to do such a thing?
I read the newspaper and still no activity out of her Elk Konnected, LLC about improving the quality of life in Elk County.
And it appears she missed her last opportunity to publish her final Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting report. Such a shame, it could have been fun reading.
Oh well, onward to a better Elk County Commissioners Board, and all the best to them
in the new year, and hopefully some well deserved changes for Elk County.....
Ross you did say ".When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school Board", so from that I think anyone would interpret that you were saying she was on the school board which she wasn't. That is kind of like your 60,000 square foot house you said was being built. I could put some other quotes out there you made and then said they were typos. You are always trying to stir up trouble. How do you know that Liz didn't get a Thank You for her efforts as the Volley Ball Coach, you don't it is just another dig at Liz and the School Board.
Very well said oldtimer.
Quote from: Oldtimer on January 02, 2013, 08:53:34 PM
Ross you did say ".When Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks quit the school Board", so from that I think anyone would interpret that you were saying she was on the school board which she wasn't. That is kind of like your 60,000 square foot house you said was being built. I could put some other quotes out there you made and then said they were typos. You are always trying to stir up trouble. How do you know that Liz didn't get a Thank You for her efforts as the Volley Ball Coach, you don't it is just another dig at Liz and the School Board.
Okay, my big Boo-Boo! I had meant to put a comma after the word quit.
Which then would have read a bit different.
Please excuse my human behavior of making errors.
My sincerest apologizes.
Ross you still did not answer Janet's question. You ask questions but very seldom answer questions.
Quote from: proelkco on January 02, 2013, 09:11:10 PM
Ross you still did not answer Janet's question. You ask questions but very seldom answer questions.
Sir, I do believe I did answer her question.
But just in case if you would kindly quote the question I will respond in kind if possible.
But let me remind you, I am not here to answer questions as I have no answers.
I am here seeking answers and in the last 20 months have received very few answers.
Let me direct you to the upper left hand corner of my post and to the little blue remarks directly at the bottom of my post that is always there.
See all the question marks? That is why I am here?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Who admits to being a follower?
Who admits being connected?
What are Elk Konnected, LLC's actual goals and how do they intend accomplish those goals?
Why do they keep commandeering Elk County's resources?
Why do they insist taking credit for what Elk County accomplishes for Elk County's children.
Where does Elk Konnected, LLC draw the line between Elk County Government and Elk Konnected, LLC?
One line was recently drawn wasn't it? There will soon be one less Konnected Kounty Kommissioner won't there?
It appears to me that Howard itself has had enough and voted her out of office didn't they?
Why does a privately owned company such as Elk Konnected, LLC seem to be begging all the time and then is unable to show anything with the thousands of dollars they have taken in?
Wasn't Elk Konnected, LLC just begging for appliances, clothes and toys so they could open their daycare center?
Did they daycare center go the way of the Wellness center, a total failure for them?
Really Proelco can you give a few positive things that Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished?
Really what is Elk Konnected, LLC besides being just another NGO, spinning it's wheels?
Aren't they just using words like Quality of life and Strong Family's and Solid Education and Superior Life Style as a smoke screen?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC a Social Worker?
• Are they licensed in that field?
• Do they have qualified Social Workers?
Is Elk Konnected, LLC licensed in education?
• Do they have Licensed Educators?
• Are any of them state certified?
What qualifications does Elk Konnected, LLC have to determine what a Superior or Quality of Life Style is for individuals?
• Are they qualified psychiatrists?
Just what is Elk Konnected. LLC and what qualifications do they have?
I bet, I don't get a single answer, why?
Because, no one claims to be Elk Konnected, LLC!
No one admits to being konnected!
By the way, what is the konnection?
And No one admits to be a follower!
To mea it appears to be none or it must be they are shameful titles to carry around, which is it?
Is it possible because it is just a smoke screen for something else?
Will it fade away like the daycare center and the Konnected Wellness Center?
Will it be changing its name soon and become something else?
I have so many more questions and no answers. But I'll continue asking and searching for answers.
Proelco, I sure hope you have some answers rather than some snide remarks, similar to others that have failed to help.
Ross, go back and reread your own words in 5109. You indeed did say that Liz had quit the school board. One has to be on it to quit it right? tsk,tsk
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 10:21:55 AM
Ross, go back and reread your own words in 5109. You indeed did say that Liz had quit the school board. One has to be on it to quit it right? tsk,tsk
You might read my apology before commenting. Here it is again especially for you!
Quote from: Ross on January 02, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
Okay, my big Boo-Boo! I had meant to put a comma after the word quit.
Which then would have read a bit different.
Please excuse my human behavior of making errors.
My sincerest apologizes.
I can't seem to get any answers and I still have a ton of questions left.
Here are a few more.
Proelkco can't you help me out with some answers?
I have heard the remark numerous times; anything is possible when people come together for the common good.
Just what does that mean?
Does it mean to blindly follow?
Does that mean an organization any organization should operate secretly and keep secrets?
Does that mean an organization any organization
should commandeer other people's property for their own use?
Should organizations any organization force themselves on others under false pretenses?
Really, shouldn't there be a whole lot of ethics involved?
Please read on!
Common Good
By Michael Kraus
Graduate Student, Grand Valley State University
Definition
Common good is difficult to define because it can mean different things to different people. These are just a few examples:
Webster's Dictionary defines common good as "belonging to or shared by each or all" (Webster's 1990, pg. 122).
The idea of common good can also be described "as the product of a particular process, such as a democratic process." This can be a difficult version of common good as those within the procedure can argue what is in the interest of the common good and sometimes make decisions based on personal gain (Powell and Clemens, 1998, pg. 10).
There is a "functional or collective" meaning of "what would be good for the enterprise to which a group of individuals belong, rather than what would be good for the individuals of that enterprise." The concern with this definition is that what may be good for the team could be destructive for the public as a whole (Powell and Clemens, 1998, pg. 10-11).
The debate over the common good has existed since Plato wrote the Republic in the late 5th century BC. Common good can hold different meanings depending on one's involvement. For example, if City Hall makes a decision that is good for its citizens, but not good for citizens of a neighboring city, is that the common good? And, what is good? It can be defined as "doing what is right or proper" (Webster's 1990, pg. 255), but does everyone agree what actions achieve common good? Probably not (Powell and Clemens, 1998).
A debate about what is "good" is not a negative action. By having as many parties involved as possible can bring together many different perspectives to determine the overall best decisions for the "common."
Read the rest of the story at http://learningtogive.org/papers/paper14.html
Would Elk Konnected, LLC really be interested in social and economic change?
How about trying beneficial to many in each of the Elk County's Community by building community gardens? I bet you could beg for some seeds and some of the community's city owned property and some free water them with? And you connected folks and followers could get down and dirty with the folks, instead of sitting back and asking everyone to do your share, of the labor of love. Feeding the poor is always a grand plan or helping them fed themselves, is even better. It goes on around the world, don't you see? And then you are accomplishing something. And gardening is a great activity and development tool for children!
And if you become a non-profit organization more doors may open for you. But wait a minute that would entail open books wouldn't it?
Why answer you? You do not answer any questions asked to you.
Quote from: proelkco on January 03, 2013, 11:22:22 AM
Why answer you? You do not answer any questions asked to you.
Translation: You don't have any proper answers, right?
I have explained numerous times, I don't have any answers, just questions?
That is an excuse.
Ok Ross, I went back and found it...now from the old school teacher, more the reason to proof your work. Even a tiny comma can change the meaning in a big way....typo or not. 8) (You could have gone back and corrected that before I ever saw it.) Especially when you are typing about what you consider to be so serious a subject.
Alot of people have answered you on this thread. You never give answers. You ask questions and want answers but do not have manners enough to answer people. And you wonder why? If anyone needs to go back and reread any of this thread it is perhaps you.
Quote from: proelkco on January 03, 2013, 01:36:37 PM
Alot of people have answered you on this thread. You never give answers. You ask questions and want answers but do not have manners enough to answer people. And you wonder why? If anyone needs to go back and reread any of this thread it is perhaps you.
But they haven't answered the questions I'd like answered, they simply deflect or redirect?
Keep up the good try, it doesn't work.
I'll repeat again, I have no answers only questions in hopes that you will comprehend!
Thank you for your time but I'd appreciate real answers.
Try this one, once again please.
What is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 12:16:45 PM
Ok Ross, I went back and found it...now from the old school teacher, more the reason to proof your work. Even a tiny comma can change the meaning in a big way....typo or not. 8) (You could have gone back and corrected that before I ever saw it.) Especially when you are typing about what you consider to be so serious a subject.
And my advice to you teacher would be to read for comprehension and to try to focus on the real subject.
Especially before spouting off about a typographical error.
And then continuing with the complaint.
But I suppose teachers don't make errors, do they?
Quote from: Ross on January 02, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
Okay, my big Boo-Boo! I had meant to put a comma after the word quit.
Which then would have read a bit different.
Please excuse my human behavior of making errors.
My sincerest apologizes.
Quote from: proelkco on January 03, 2013, 12:08:27 PM
That is an excuse.
No excuse, just go back to page one and wonder why I started this thread?
Is that the biggest bunch of ideas you have ever read!
And they were presented to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners by their own organization Elk Konnected, right?
Doesn't that just beg for all kinds of questions?
Ross, you are starting out the new year as an old grumpy fuddy duddy. Of course I make errors, and as often as possible I try to correct them before they are ever read. In this particular case some time had passed before I read your original. You could have repaired it before I ever saw it.
Perhaps your "just an uneducated redneck' business is hurting you. Don't you want to be taken seriously? It sure looks like you really do have a grudge and some sort of score to settle with certain people and nothing anyone tries to tell you will ever satisfy you. Is your caring about Elk County honest, or are there strings attached?
Wind farm rent jealousy? Why? Did certain land owners create a miracle so the wind would blow just on their places? Do you honestly think people can control that so just the ''right people''get the rents? Use your head man!
Some people also have oil or water on their places. So what? That's what they bought, in some cases a very long time ago.
Keep in mind, with my "spouting off' as you so graciously call it, you are the one with all the repetitive questions, not me. You want to be taken seriously, so why not do everything possible to present a readable, cohesive stand?
You still seem to still be wallowing in self pity, complaining about things as far back as the very first ''community meeting." You have new commissioners now. Isn't it time to move on, wearing big boy pants and revealing your grownup character? Perhaps they will pleasantly surprise you.
Ross what do you mean by your statement that the ideas were presented to the commissioners by elk konnected? The many people that attended the first meeting gave those ideas to elk konnected.
Quote from: proelkco on January 03, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
Ross what do you mean by your statement that the ideas were presented to the commissioners by elk konnected? The many people that attended the first meeting gave those ideas to elk konnected.
And that is the number one fact that Ross has ignored for 20 months!
Agreed
Quote from: flintauqua on January 03, 2013, 06:02:38 PM
And that is the number one fact that Ross has ignored for 20 months!
Do you believe in fairytales as well?
Where is the fact in that statement?
How many names of people do you see attached to any of the suggestions?
Oh, now let's hear the fairy tale, okay?
Fact is it was not a community but an Elk Konnected, LLC meeting.
There was no public conversation but there was a well rehearsed circus of rings with people bouncing up and down when told to, wearing kindergarten type name tags with little colored stars.
But you are entitled to believe in what ever you want!
All I ask is, show us the facts?
The only name ever associated with this crazy list was Elk Konnected, LLC and unless you have facts otherwise share them with us, please?
You sound just like a follower that will blindly believe anything they tell you?
Quote from: proelkco on January 03, 2013, 06:06:09 PM
Agreed
Are you yet another follower that blindly believes everything you are told?
Where are the facts?
The only name ever associated with the list on page one of this thread has been Elk Konnected, LLC, isn't that right?
Isn't that a fact?
Does Elk Konnected, LLC deny having anything to do with that list now.
I don't think they can because it is on their web page and it was in the newspaper that they were responsible for the so called Community Conversation, right?
They are the only entity to take credit for it, right?
So you still haven't provided any answers to me or the proud citizens of Elk County now have you?
Oh, now let's hear the fairy tale, again, okay?
Let's let the people decide for themselves?
Fairytale or not fairytale!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
Ross, you are starting out the new year as an old grumpy fuddy duddy. Of course I make errors, and as often as possible I try to correct them before they are ever read. In this particular case some time had passed before I read your original. You could have repaired it before I ever saw it.
And you my Dear Diane are starting out the New Year name calling and bullying, I prefer to be the grumpy fuddy duddy. While, I am simply asking questions about an NGO and their facilitators, you are attempting to put me down. I'm sorry Diane, but it is that attitude that exist right here in a small part of Elk County, that is the problem. And there you are what,1500 miles away, and perpetrating and continuing the attitude? Attitude by a few may be seriously broken, IMHO!
First you followers call me out for changing my posts, which I don't do.
Now, you call me out for not changing my posts.
Then you fail to read and accept an apology for a typographical error and spout of about it. Please try to make a decision. To do-it-or not-to-do-it, that is the question?
I am just an average human being, capable of typographical errors and other errors, thank you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
Perhaps your "just an uneducated redneck' business is hurting you. Don't you want to be taken seriously? It sure looks like you really do have a grudge and some sort of score to settle with certain people and nothing anyone tries to tell you will ever satisfy you. Is your caring about Elk County honest, or are there strings attached?
I don't want to be taken serious, especially by you and your attitude. But thanks for asking anyway.
As for people living in Elk County, I don't wish to be taken serious by them either, I only hope they consider what they are reading and give it some thought. And that Diane is what bothers you and the few followers that are out there. Doesn't it sound like I am talking to a cult or something similar?
Fer instance Scientology, I bet if you are not like minded or follow their way of thinking,
OR don't think positive, the way they say to, then you are out. By the way don't they qualify as an NGO, as well?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
Wind farm rent jealousy? Why? Did certain land owners create a miracle so the wind would blow just on their places? Do you honestly think people can control that so just the ''right people''get the rents? Use your head man!
Jealousy, now that is a ridiculous thought. I have never been jealous a day in my life.
But in my opinion some of those that may be receiving that money were sitting on the county commissioners board as Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and failed the county miserably because of their own interest?
They negotiated a miserable $1 million for the Elk County from the same company and the same size wind farm in Enid who received receives $3 million. That was stated earlier in this thread. It's not about the money it's about principles, ethics and such. But way up there where you are that doesn't seem to matter to you, why is that?
But then these same Konnected Kounty Kommissioners approved the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor program called the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" offering kickbacks called rebates to a few possible friends, family, cronies and maybe even themselves, IDK, yet! I believe these kickbacks called rebates could also be referred to as subsidies. Now this affects my wallet and other taxpayer's wallets and the County Tax Base and therefore is every Elk County Citizens Business. Yes, I will do everything possible to try to get the names of each participant posted on the Official Elk County Web Site because it is Public Information. I will also ask that they post along with the names the values of the improvements, the taxes and the tax rebate (kickback) Amounts. I figure if you are not to proud to ask for welfare, you are not to proud to have it posted, again because it is public information.
No not an old grumpy fuddy duddy, just an old concerned citizen, thank you.
But you apparently don't like concerned citizens and I'm sure if you gave it some thought you might find the lack of concerned citizens and the abundance of people and NGO's with their hands out for subsidies which consist of federal grants and such is part of our Nations deficit problems. Do we need those kinds of problems in Elk County? Do you appreciate having to support the GLBT crowd with your tax dollars? Personally I don't care what those people do, but when their NGO's and I believe many exist are asking for hand out's from government in the form of grants and subsidies that affects my wallet and yours too! But I guess you are okay with that too, right?
No, I don't believe those people can control the wind, how ludicrous can you get?
But, I do believe you can control your wind and silliness, care to try?
I am trying real hard to be nice to you Diane, but you keep making it more and more difficult to do so. But, I will strive to do my best.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
Some people also have oil or water on their places. So what? That's what they bought, in some cases a very long time ago.
That is fine with me. Were they subsidized by the Elk County Government taxpayers money? If not your point is moot! Of little or no practical value or meaning!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
Keep in mind, with my "spouting off' as you so graciously call it, you are the one with all the repetitive questions, not me. You want to be taken seriously, so why not do everything possible to present a readable, cohesive stand?
Asking questions is far, far different then spouting off, Diane.
You as a teacher should easily recognize that simple fact.
Don't good teachers tell their children by asking questions they learn?
And it is not your job to grade the forum; it is not a school test, perhaps giving that some thought my make life a little easier for you. I hope, I have helped you, even just a little bit to comprehend something.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2013, 02:25:53 PM
You still seem to still be wallowing in self pity, complaining about things as far back as the very first ''community meeting." You have new commissioners now. Isn't it time to move on, wearing big boy pants and revealing your grownup character? Perhaps they will pleasantly surprise you.
(Sarcasm on) Well, well Diane if I need big boy pants, I assume you need big girl panties, don't you suppose. (Sarcasm off)
If looking after, what is removed from my wallet and being a concerned citizen that lives in Elk County and pays taxes, then I am proud to be full of self pity!
However, teacher I do believe you lack the comprehension of the term self pity and should consult the dictionary, isn't that what a good teacher would tell a school student.
Yet another failed attempt at insulting me, putting me and any other concerned citizen of Elk County down by a (non-resident) Konnected, follower, from many miles away. I just consider the Konnected source; I hope that is okay with you?
Sorry Diane, but keep up the good effort, perhaps, your connected leaders will reward you some day for your efforts. (Sarcasm on) Perhaps a nice big sweet lollipop! (Sarcasm off)
Are We Having Fun Yet?
Good evening everyone!
I was just crusing our official county web site and stumbled on to something interesting, I like to share with you and perhaps learn something and recieve some answers to some questions?
Now about that Elk Falls Outhouse Festival flyer posted on the county web site.
http://www.elkcounty.org/youth-development.htm
I bet this page will be deleted real quick even though it has been up there since at least November 17th.
I attended the festival and really enjoyed it.
I can appreciate the County providing Elks Falls with advertisement for their festivity.
But the advertisement for Elk Konnected, LLC, I just don't appreciate them as being sponsors, without knowing how. So I ask?
Was Elk Konnected, LLC invited to be a sponsor of this festival and by whom, if so?
It's just not polite to push yourself on to someone else's festival; in fact to me it would be absolutely rude, unsophicated, and undesirable! So, I am asking who invited them to be sponsors?
Can some one explain how Elk Konnected, LLC sponsored the festival or why they have their name on the County Flyer or Elk Falls Flyer which ever the case may be?
Actually what part did the County provide, in other words how did the county government sponsor the Community Event?
If money how much?
Did the Elk County Youth Development Employee provide the inflatable obstacle course for kids to enjoy?
Or was it only the flyers and our Employee to provide those Flyers?
If so why do we need to pay for a Youth Development Employee to print flyers, that is awful expensive, isn't it?
Any employee can print off the flyers?
Or even the festival people could have printed them off with the county equipment with proper authorization.
The definition for sponsor as defined by Merrian-Webster:
a person or an organization that pays for or plans and carries out a project or activity; especially: one that pays the cost of a radio or television program usually in return for advertising time during its course.
If Elk Konnected, LLC provided the inflatable obstacle course for kids to enjoy during the festival and not our Youth Development Employee, why do we need to pay for a Youth Development Employee? Or is it possibly because our Youth Development Employee is also on the Steering Committee of Elk Konnected and provided the money to rent the obstacle funds to Elk Konnected, LLC from County Coffers? I ask this because the lines are very blurred between Elk Konnected, LLC and the Elk County Government?
Once again if Elk Konnected, LLC only provided the inflatable obstacle course, why aren't everyone else that provided Outhouses listed on the flyer as sponsors? Why only Elk Konnected, LLC and Elk County?
Really, what is going on?
And the free advertisement should only run for the duration of the event. Yet there it is still up on the Official County web site, the Elk Konnected, LLC logo. Why?
Is it because of the konnection between our Youth Development Employee and the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee?
Just where do loyalties in Elk County lay? Is it with the County as employeer or the NGO?
When our Youth Development Employee was called on to give her Department report, she failed to do so. She turned the meeting over to Elk Konnected, LLC who advertised what they claimed to have done over the last 3 or 4 years.
So yea, what really is going on?
Will this be an ongoing habit?
Why did the County Commissioners permit such action by an employee?
In my opinion if an Employee can not provide services, they should not be retained.
Bye-Bye, huh!
Yes, I will keep asking questions until I get some clear answers.
Good night!
Ross,
Quit posting "what they claimed to have done over the last 3 or 4 years" regarding the info that was presented at the commissioners meeting. The slides had attendance numbers from events from 2011 and 2012 specifically. These events were not "Claimed" to have happened. They DID happen and were well attended. They had exact numbers for 2011 and 2012 not "3 or 4 years".
In fact here is the exact info shared.
Youth Development Action Team
2011 to 2012 report
Movies
Longton – February 2011 (21 kids) & 2012 (18 kids)
Moline – February 2011 (22 kids) & 2012 (28 kids)
Grenola – February 2011 (8 kids)
Howard – February 2011 (32 kids) and 2012 (37 kids), December 2011 (45 kids) and 2012 (48 kids)
Dive in Movie at Howard Swimming Pool - July 2012
Soccer Academy
Saturday in each town – Longton, Howard, Moline and Grenola
2011 (96 kids)
2012 (85 kids)
Pitch, Hit and Run
At the West Elk ball field
May 2011 (25 kids)
2012 (30 kids)
Punt, Pass and Kick
At the West Elk football stadium
Fall 2011 (15 kids)
Fall 2012 (18 kids)
Supporting Community Events
Mechanical Bull at Grenola Octoberfest
October 2011
Rock Climbing Wall at Moline Crazy Days
June 2011 and June 2012
Water Slide at Elk County Free Fair in Longton
August 2011 and August 2012
Whirly Gig at Elk River Festival in Howard
September 2011
Water Slide at Elk County Fair in Howard
July 2011
Free Swim during the Elk County Fair at Howard City Pool
July 2011
Ross continues to twist and manipulate the facts to fit his agenda. Nothing was "Claimed" and it was not "3-4 years".
Wow! Ha, ha, ho, ho, what a belly laugh, I can't help myself. ROFL
Quote from: patriotdad on January 07, 2013, 10:43:43 AM
Ross,
Quit posting "what they claimed to have done over the last 3 or 4 years" regarding the info that was presented at the commissioners meeting. The slides had attendance numbers from events from 2011 and 2012 specifically. These events were not "Claimed" to have happened. They DID happen and were well attended. They had exact numbers for 2011 and 2012 not "3 or 4 years".
In fact here is the exact info shared.
Youth Development Action Team
2011 to 2012 report
You totally missed the point.
• It was a county commissioners meeting.
• Our Youth Development Employee was called to the panel to give her report.
• She failed to do it.
• Elk Konnected, LLC then took the floor and gave their report.
• What Elk Konnected, LLC claims at a County Commissioner s Meeting is moot, because they are not County Employees.
• If our Employee is incapable to make a report to the County Commissioners as requested, I personally think she should be looking for another job, where such actions are not required.
I ask you, why does Elk Konnected, LLC continue in such disruptive behavior, is it perhaps because they can get away with it? After all didn't Elk Konnected, LLC have citizens thrown out of their Community Conversation simply because the wanted a conversation instead of playing musical chairs and wearing kindergarten name tags with little different colored stars. Didn't Elk Konnected, LLC feel these people, including myself were distruptive to their meeting. I personally was extremely polite to white haired guy from Leoti, Kansas in Wichita County, not his Community here in Elk County, yet I was extremely polite to him.
Do you think such disruptive behavior will be allowed to be continued by a tiny NGO after there is one less Konnected Kounty Kommissioner?
You do make a good point however, so I ask why should we pay someone to do a job if Elk Konnected, LLC is doing it for free, that is not counting the begging that they do IMO?
Are you certified, registered or what ever kind of member of Elk Konnected, LLC their members are? is? Now don't be bashful, please speak out!
I think perhaps you may be the power behind the tiny NGO, would you please verify that thought?
Otherwise, how would you be able to acquire the above information from Elk Konnected, LLC so quickly?
Quote from: patriotdad on January 07, 2013, 10:43:43 AM
Ross continues to twist and manipulate the facts to fit his agenda. Nothing was "Claimed" and it was not "3-4 years".
Can you prove that with some facts with out twisting the point of the post?
I didn't think, so.
Can we say smokescreen in unison? LOL!
I'm sorry pops but you are wrong, I haven't twisted anything?
It is simply your misconception or desire to discredit me, IMO!
But, I have repeatedly discredited myself by asking people to think for themselves, so it must be your misconception, right?
So Patriotdad what is the point of this post?
What is the subject to you?
What do you comprehend?
Just some ignorant, crazy old redneck, fart shooting off his mouth right?
So why get your blood pressure all out of wack, relax my friend, no one believes this stuff anyway?
However, I did notice that the less than 1% percent that wanted a $5.5 million grad school were voted down by, wasn't it 75% of the voters. The poor people, you know that make up the majority of voters recognize their power, don't they?
Oh. Well.
Thanks Patriotdad for responding.
If you call the way you acted at the community conversation meeting in Moline polite I thank the heavens I have not been around you since. You made an ass of yourself.
Why were the communists meeting in Moline?
Years ago the communists pretty much kept to themselves down on
a tract of land about 3 or 4 miles from Cedar Vale. They called themselves
"The Progressive Community".
Quote from: proelkco on January 07, 2013, 05:34:42 PM
If you call the way you acted at the community conversation meeting in Moline polite I thank the heavens I have not been around you since. You made an ass of yourself.
Why thank you for your opinion!
How ever you were not up in the front with me and the white haired gentlemen when I was speaking with him and he offered to speak with me outside were you?
And then I politely apologized to the crowd.
And as I stated earlier in this thread I was very nervous being in front of a crowd, ny first time, and perhaps I spoke a little to loud in providing my apology to the crowd.
But does that excuse Elk Konnected, LLC for rudely doing their advertisement in front of the County Commissioners Board. Instead of the Elk County Youth Development Employee providing her report as requested. Do we need employees like that.
If Elk Konnected, LLC wanted to address the Board why couldn't they wait for County Business to get finished and address the Board during Open Form just as any other citizen? Don't rules of Ettique apply to them? Or again is it that they can just get away with it, so they do it?
I suppose it's polite of them because you are perphaps a part of them?
Come back!
Tomorrow at the County Commissioners Meeting we get a new county commissioner assigned to the board don't we?
That means one less Konnected Kounty Kommissioner doesn't it?
That means no more 2 controlling votes for the Little Konnected Krowd, right?
Only one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner left, right?
And it means better days ahead for Elk County as a whole, right?
I can sure hope so!
I plan to be there at the meeting to see County Commissioner Hebb seated, the Lord willing.
I believe Elk County needs and deserves this improvement.
Let's show up and encourage County Commissioner Hebb, what do you say?
Just in case you missed it.....
Elk County Commission Meeting - 1/14/13: TAXPAYERS WIN BIG. Elk Taxpayers: 6 - Big Government Liberal Spenders: 0
Read all about it here: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14878.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14878.0.html)
And yes, based on first impressions, I'm thinkin Mr. Hebb is gonna work out well.
Yes folks, I believe since we are down to only one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, we are beginning to see improvements in Elk County towards all residents and their quality of life.
We now apparently have County Commissioners who are interested in the county as a whole and each of it's citizens.
Each of you out there that voted Mr. Hebb into office deserve to give yourself a pat on the back.
Mr. Ritz and Mr. Hebb you rock.
Keep up the good work.
I was always taught that when real bullies get a good punch in the nose (figuratively or literally) they tend to back off & get real quiet.
Have you noticed how quiet the followers have been here in the last 2 months or so?
I think we should be praising the everyday people of Elk County that are the voters and taxpayers for taking back control of their county by casting their vote for a County Commissioner that cares for the county as a whole and not just a small group. Everyone in Elk County should be patting themselves on the back. Especially in Howard. Hebb is a good man.
I hope we can all learn from this enriching experience for Elk County and keep the positive momentum moving forward.
I just finished reading today's Prairie Star.
This newspaper really appears biased in my personal opinion.
Well after all, the editor himself told me he was associated with Elk Konnected, LLCvia e-mail.
I did see pictures being taken at the swearing of our elected officials, but no pictures in the paper. However, CQ elected officials being sworn in and pictured in very colorful picture on the front page.
I wonder, is it because there is only one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner these days.
On the back page an article, Changes being made as new Elk County Commissioners take Office". New break; there is actually only one new County Commissioner, Mr. Hebb and what a great difference it has made already.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau and County Commissioner Ritz renewed their vows.
To me it appeared Konnected Kommissioner Liebau voted against all but one motion,
I guess he is just not ready for positive change within Elk County Government!
I guess he is not interested in lowering property taxes for every property tax payer in Elk County.
Thank God for the new County Commissioners board and the fact that tghere are no longer two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners controlling our beautiful county.
Speaking of Elk Konnected, LLC I wonder why we haven't heard from them in the last three weeks? I haven't seen anything in the Prairie Star,
Can someone tell me, did I miss an article in the paper the last three weeks?
Hey, followers I haven't heard from you followers in a while, is something wrong?
I sure hope you haven't come down with that nasty flu!
Aren't you rejoicing in the quality of life that the County commissioners are providing to All the Elk County residents and the fact that they are turning the Recreation Fund monies over to each community. Can you imagine how that will help the different communities parks and thier festivals? What a great move for the children of those communities, right.
Can't we hear something positive out of you followers about this great and productive change in Elk County and the improvement in the quality of life about to decend on us ?
Has anyone heard anything being done by Elk Konnected, LLC towards their effort to improve the quality of life in Elk County?
And what's the latest on the Elk Konnected, LLC's Day care Center?
I'd also like to hear about what is happening with the Elk Konnected School Board President's recent study performed by the Professor/Facilitator from Pittsburg?
Isn't this latest study way past due?
Taxpayers money has been used for two studies and and no results have been provided to the taxpayers and I wonder why, don't you?
Isn't it our money that is suppose to be used for the education of our children?
Or are our tax dollars there to be wasted by the school board.
You know I do appreciate the school board member that wants to teach and use critical thinking. Perhaps he should be President of the School Board.
I also appreciate the school board members that voted against the Community Rehabilitation Program, a very good decision, IMHO!
And the board members that decided to remove the previous School Superintendent was yet another excellent decision, IMO.
You folks on the school board appear to be learning that the President of the School Board is simply no more than any other member of the board. It is simply his job to facilitate the meeting by following the written agenda, nothing more. His job is not to shush you up, when you have something to say. That is why each and every board member is there, to have a voice in any action of the school board. The object is open discussion between all members and to explore improving the education of our children.
It is actions such as open conversation and hard work that produce Blue Ribbon Schools.
That would be a very good question to bering up at a School Board Meeting amongst the School Board Members. Why isn't West Elk A Blue Ribbon School?
What can the School Board do to accomplish making West Elk A Blue Ribbon School?
What efforts must the school board put forth to accomplish this task?
Now wouldn't that improve the Quality of Life for quite a few children as they grow older and are out on their own looking for work?
Perhaps the school board could perform a study of their own instead of paying someone else like the Professor/Facilitator that does not produce the desired results?
Just a few thoughts and creative thinking for the betterment of West Elk School for the benefit of the children and the proper use of taxpayer dollars.
Think about it a little bit, please.
It doesn't matter if you agree with Ross or not, his whole reason for Ross knocking the West Elk School board is a personal vendetta against some of the people and families. West Elk has a proven track record of doing a great job of providing a great education to the students and preparing them for Higher education. West Elk has many students getting more dollars of Scholarships, and attending colleges and Universities and making the Honor Rolls. Ignore Ross and let your School board work and see what they come up with. Ross doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, and he makes up or confuses much of what he is trying to say. Look at all of the big mistakes, intentional or not that he has made in all of his ranting.
If you're not confused, then you must be a firm liberal or socialist to praise the government schooling.
Ross, is your son's school a Blue Ribbon school? Has your son's school ever been put on improvement by the state for not reaching the proper testing scores? How does your son's school do when it comes to math contests and scholar's bowl contests?
Well I know that my children's school, West Elk, is not a Blue Ribbon school, however it does produce many college bound, tech school bound, and employment bound kids. I know that West Elk always comes out on top when it comes to Math contests and Scholar's bowl contest. And I know that West Elk has not been put on school improvement and has received many acknowledgements for its high academic successes. Each year West Elk graduates receive astronomical amounts of scholarships. So West Elk must be doing something right!
Quote from: ELK@KC on January 17, 2013, 08:01:30 AM
It doesn't matter if you agree with Ross or not, his whole reason for Ross knocking the West Elk School board is a personal vendetta against some of the people and families... Ross doesn't have a clue what he is talking about, and he makes up or confuses much of what he is trying to say...
How about offering some point by point proof to support the basis of your attack. To just blindly support all elected officials isn't necessarily rational in this day and age. As you write, it's you who sound like you're ranting. Your history of just attacking every questioning voice resonates of the last 2+ years relative to county level operations & Elk Korrected.
Quote from: ELK@KC on January 17, 2013, 08:01:30 AM
It doesn't matter if you agree with Ross or not, his whole reason for Ross knocking the West Elk School board is a personal vendetta against some of the people and families.
You sure like that word vendetta, don't you. Perhaps it's because you that have a vendetta to squash any constructive criticism or discussions that don't fit your needs, isn't that the true problem? But hey, you are entitled to your opinion.
I'm not knocking West Elk School Board, I'm offering constructive criticism.
I have also suggested that they don't continue to waste taxpayer dollars that are suppose to be used for education of the children, on a hunt to prove they need to build a new school or wing on to the school building.
Two studies bought and paid for by taxpayers and no report to the taxpayers.
Why do you suppose that is?
In fact the first study was never completed.
The professors were supposed to come back and have a report for the public and it never happened. Why?
I'd just like to know how much of this construction talk is being pushed by the Konnected School Board President?
Oh, did you notice Who is on the Elk Konnected, LLC steering Committee, non- other than our elected Konnected School Board President David Whetstone, how about that? He is no longer just listed on their home page simply as a contact person. And isn't it time for for Mrs. Hendricks to change her title to ex-county commissioner or something similar?
Check it out Steering Committee at: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php
But really folks does raising property taxes to build an unnecessarily large school make for better teaching? Is that true prestige? Prestige is what Howard is looking for isn't it? At the expense of higher taxes, right?
Or wouldn't concentrating on raising the bar on education to a Blue Ribbon School provide real prestige?
Or does that require to much work, to do something really constructive for the children?
I'm referring to the school that I pay taxes to support, not some other school district, nice try from you other posters attempting moving the discussion to another school district.
WeI do believe we do have some very good school board members that can think for themselves instead of just being followers and I commend those people. And they know who they are.
So really what carry's the most weight, improving the education at West Elk to a Blue Ribbon School or spending taxpayer dollars for more brick and mortar?
Just asking, what is your opinion?
Ross, I just find it amazing that you are more concerned about the education of the children at West Elk rather than that of your on child. There are people that pay tax money in Elk County that goes to your son's school. Shouldn't that be an issue also? Shouldn't the tax paying citizens worry about the educational issues of the other Elk County school district?
Quote from: daisy on January 17, 2013, 12:11:55 PM
Ross, I just find it amazing that you are more concerned about the education of the children at West Elk rather than that of your on child. There are people that pay tax money in Elk County that goes to your son's school. Shouldn't that be an issue also? Shouldn't the tax paying citizens worry about the educational issues of the other Elk County school district?
Daisy I am as concerned about my sons education as any other child's. But the point here is the waste of taxpayers dollars when those dollars could be used more constructively. Some of those dollars come out of my pocket as well as yours. Do you like your tasx dollars wasted? Do you want higher property taxes to fullfill the wishes of a few controlling people? I sure don't.
If they are looking for prestige.the best prestige they could get is by becoming a Blue Ribbon School, IMHO, and it would be state wide prestige. I have read where they want more state recognition, what better way to get it?
The fact that a very few students win a contest or two does not represent all the students. Where as becoming a Blue Ribbon School would. But perhaps that would require to much work for the school board and everyone else involved, I don't know. Do you know?
Ross and Patriot, why don't you two run for the school board?
Quote from: proelkco on January 17, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
Ross and Patriot, why don't you two run for the school board?
Why?
duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: proelkco on January 17, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That really promotes intellectual conversation, doesn't it?
Not that I'm an intellect, I'm just a red neck. But I can do better than
Quote from: proelkco on January 17, 2013, 02:33:54 PM
duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good job!
I suppose that means concerned citizens should not be allowed to discuss matters that pertain to them.
Is that it?
Quote from: proelkco on January 17, 2013, 01:46:36 PM
Ross and Patriot, why don't you two run for the school board?
Quote from: Ross on January 17, 2013, 02:30:10 PM
Why?
Ditto, Ross. Didn't we listen to that petty, debate avoidance, tripe regarding the County Commission over the last 2 years? Seems neither of us ran for commissioner, and things seem to be returning to intelligent, taxpayer centered, governance at a nice pace.
Patriot,
Maybe someone is just upset that hubby has to suck hind teat now. You reckon ? :)
Quote from: jarhead on January 17, 2013, 09:38:55 PM
Patriot,
Maybe someone is just upset that hubby has to suck hind teat now. You reckon ? :)
Don't know. I suppose it's possible. Of course, I've heard that guilt & bitterness can eat a person up from the inside out... till all the poor soul can do is lash out at others over the simplest of things. Kinda like Nixon and that "I'm not a crook" diatribe. Oh, wait....
Sounds more like you are talking about yourself Patriot. Just asked a simple question, why don't you run for a school board position since you think you can fix all problems?
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Sounds more like you are talking about yourself Patriot. Just asked a simple question, why don't you run for a school board position since you think you can fix all problems?
Now just how does all that affect a community conversation sensibly.
Just where is that Elk Konnected Positive thinking?
We are discussing our children and the want for waste of taxpayers dollars for their education.
Do we really need to pay taxpayer dollars for two studies and not see the completed studies.
Two studies perhaps because the first study by a bunch of proffessors don't provide the desired result, is that good business?
These are suppose to be public information and should be completed and, either posted and/or placed in the newspaper.
We do pay for these services.
I do believe it is time for some transparency for the taxpayer, don't you?
What is really going on?
Don't we the people that pay the bill as tax payers have a right to know?
I believe we do!
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
Sounds more like you are talking about yourself Patriot. Just asked a simple question, why don't you run for a school board position since you think you can fix all problems?
Well said Proelkco, Ross and Patriot seem to think they are experts on everything.
Quote from: Oldtimer on January 18, 2013, 09:53:27 AM
Well said Proelkco, Ross and Patriot seem to think they are experts on everything.
No sir, Ross does not think he is an expert on anything, and that is a fact!
Why, would I be asking questions if I were an expert?
Why, would I make simple suggestions and not just give orders, if I were an expert?
Why, is it you can not converse with out all the put downs?
Is that the FOLLOWERS way?
Are citizens, voters and taxpayers to be denied the right to have a conversation?
Can you tell me seriously, that Elk Konnected is not behind all this push for building another school building or a wing on to the present building?
Really, can you tell me that, honestly, with the elected School Board Presedent being on the Steering Committee of Elk Konnected, LLC? Most likely not unless you are an insider!
Wasn't Elk Konnected involved in getting the grade schools closed down by holding their Kommunity Konversations?
You Elk Konnected FOLLOWERS sure seem to want to shut down community conversations, why is that?
Do you believe that all us old folks on fixed incomes can afford waste full spending that will increase our property taxes?
I would like to hear your expertise, since I am not an expert!
Thank You.
Elk Konnected did not close the Moline school. They do not run the school board. The school board president is only one vote. Am I a follower? If believing that Elk Konnected is trying to get all of Elk County together then yes I am for this group.
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
Elk Konnected did not close the Moline school.
I did not say they did, now did I?
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
They do not run the school board. The school board president is only one vote.
Again, I did not say they did, did I?
However , can you say that the Konnected School Board President has no influence?
And could you tell us how many other school board members are Konnected?
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
Am I a follower? If believing that Elk Konnected is trying to get all of Elk County together then yes I am for this group.
That is a kind of sheepish response! I'm not sure how to understand that!
Could you be good enough to clarify for me as I am not an expert?
There just doesn't appear to be a solid answer in this response, I'm sorry, I don't comprehend it.
That is only because you choose to not comprehend.
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 11:02:16 AM
That is only because you choose to not comprehend.
Well, what I see is caution in your statement no real commitment, but I just did not want to ass/u/me!
But I guess that is what I am left to do.
Quote from: proelkco on January 18, 2013, 10:37:43 AM
Am I a follower? If believing that Elk Konnected is trying to get all of Elk County together then yes I am for this group.
Well since you don't want to commit to whether you are a Follower or not, let's converse about your possible beliefs about Elk Konnected, shall we?
What makes you believe Elk Konnected can get Elk County together?
What exactly does "Getting Elk County Together" mean?
I really don't understand this kind of talking so I would appreciate this information in layman's language in order to comprehend it.
I personally believe Elk County is a great little county as it is.
But you know with the added and very positive changes in the County Government, I believe the quality of life is improving dramatically.
And it didn't take years to happen, it started once the new county commissioner's board was seated.
The county commissioner's board now seems to have all the citizens and taxpayers' interest at heart and not some special interest group. A lesson our federal government should learn. So, I think this county commissioners board should be applauded.
So, can we learn anything from you and how you feel, about all this and especially your answers to the questions at the top of this post?
Let's talk.
Finally some gome good news, maybe we can learn something from
the most recent study bought and paid for with tax payer dollars.
We still haven't heard about the previous study by the university,
I suppose we never will. Know why, because they cna get away with it.
No transparency, that's why!
But moving on:
West Elk USD 283
Special Board Meeting
Friday January 25, 2013
6:30 P.M.
AOG Building - Information & Tour
Dr. Christman - Long Range Planning
Board Policy- Section A – Updates
School Safety
Action Items- Board Action on Personnel
Well. maybe we can learn some terrific information from Dr. Christman.
Perhaps how the board can improve Education at West Elk to bring it up to a Blue Ribbon School,
or if we need more brick and mortar.
I am sure planning to attend this special meeting and hope to learn something worth while.
It might be very educational and interesting.
West Elk USD 283
Special Board Meeting
Friday January 25, 2013
6:30 P.M.
Well, I made it to the meeting.
Did I learn anything, yes, some interesting stuff I Think.
First though I must tell you Dr. Christman did not show up.
The poor guy was ill. I wish him a quick recovery.
Before the meeting got started, I was informed by a person, that there is an
E-mail going around, supposedly about trying to get the County Youth Development Job back. The job that the County Commissioners abolished at the end of March, because apparently they deem the expenditure unnecessary since they turned the recreational fund over to the communities.
Yes, I heard this at the school board meeting. No. This was not part of the school board meeting.
But just keep it in mind for later, down this thread.
After the meeting got started we took a tour of the AOG building.
I had been wondering what the AOG building was that was referred to in the School Board agenda, and I learned it is actually the Assembly of God Church that is being built next to the school. Their plans apparently are to make money and want the building to be used on a daily basis by whoever wants to use it. Of course I'd bet it will be for a good fee which only makes sense, maintenance and upkeep and utilities for heating and cooling such a large building is expensive. The two gentlemen leading the discussion and tour informed us the building cost $700,000 of which $200,000 was donated. They also informed us that the floor would be of a special material with lines poured right into it, that would be either two volley ball courts or a regulation basketball court. And if the school wanted to use it the church would work with them. It was suggested that moveable basket ball goals that were weighted and moveable be used and that when set in place by hydraulics would not move be used. And if the school board wanted scoreboards they could possibly work something out. The church members even suggested that the building might be used as a daycare for the children after school and the children could walk right over there instead of being out there on the street.
Church would be on Sundays and Wednesdays as I understand them to say.
During the discussion and tour I kept hearing over and over again and again, "It's all about the children", "It's all about the Children", "It's all about the Children".
I have to disagree with that, it's not all about the Children. To me its more about a $700,000 investment and how to capitalize on it. It is a big building and although it probably won't be complete until fall (their words) I'm sure it will be quite beautiful inside with state of the art heating and cooling and a whole lot of other amenities, kitchen, bathrooms, classrooms, sound system and other things a church night require. They surely aren't building all that because it's all about the children. Aren't we getting a little tired of that battle cry, "Its all about the children", "its for the kids". Maybe for their own kids, IDK, what do you think?
I would ask is, it first a Community Center useable by everyone, or is it, first the Assembly of God Church and still available to everyone? Why? Because if it is first a Community Center designed to make money like any other business, shouldn't it be on the County Tax Rolls to help with the expenses of "The Quality of Life" in Elk County. So it could pay its fair share of property taxes to help pay for the infrastructure of Elk County? If it is first the Assembly of God Church it is all tax free and should in my opinion indicate that it is the Assembly of God Church in any transactions with the public, and be proud of that fact. This leaves so many other questions in it's dealings with the West Elk School District for a later time. I did enjoy getting a look at the construction of the wood framing inside the building.
After nearly an hour of discussion and tour of the church, it's back to the school and the regular board meeting.
The board moved right into the long range planning without the presence of Dr. Christman. The professor they hired as a facilitator, remember they said he was ill and could not make it.
The talk was mainly about remodeling/construction adding onto the south west
end of the building. Really.
A School board member voiced the fluctuation of the number of students in the school.
At the meeting the public had with Dr. Christman, The professor/facilitator spoke of declining enrollments due to home schooling and computerized learning at home. Kids would attend school at home via computer.
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Some of the things said at the meeting are:
Roof and air conditioning problems that need taken care of. (These are very expensive to tend to.)
Why would anyone want to move here and live in a dilapidated house? (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
The County Youth Director Job is gone! (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) Remember the supposed e-mail about this job.
There is the P.I.L.O.T. money from the wind farm. We could approach the County Commissioners. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
Roads are just as bad in the towns. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
People don't want to move out here to live in town, they want to live in the country. They want 50 acres so they feel like they live in the country. Maybe we or the county or somebody can get some land and sell it to them. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) (Sounds like Elk Konnected School Board member to me, what do you think)
Need to replace the trailers they are to small, they don't look good.
The use of a Morton Building was mentioned and I heard laughter. The question was asked, if Morton Buildings knew about building school buildings and the answer was affirmative.
Remember how the last bond issue went.
Talk was about moving the smaller children inside the big building and put the older children that have smaller classes in the trailers.
It was also mentioned that the school has two libraries and only needs one. Then they could make two class rooms out of one of the libraries. (Hey, available space in the building for more children. I bet if they look closer they can find more wasted space.)
It was suggested that board members keep an eye on the commissioners and city councils. Lobby to get things done. (Is this a school board or school district business or budget or function?)
End of "Some of the things said at the meeting are:"
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My thoughts and remarks:
A lot of the above sure sounds like Elk Konnected, you know from the Konnected School Board President and another Konnected School Board member. What do you think is really happening here?
We pay property taxes to provide money for the School Districts Budget.
The State provides money for the School District Budget,
I believe the School Board realizes there could be substantial cuts to their budget by the state in the future.
And, folks where do you think they will turn to, to make up that budget loss?
That's right floks, to you and me!
How, increased property taxes, that's how?
Don't you think it is time for the School Board to think about living with in their means and utilize what they have to it's fullest instead of "We Want, We Want."
I thought perhaps it was the function of the School Board to see to educating.
Instead of it all about the children, how about, it is all about education the children. (Not about building a Taj Mahal.)
No, I am not dissing anyone, just wondering What is really going on?
Is the school board, the school board and interested in education or what?
Ross,
Would the school renting from the tax exempt church run into trouble with that ol separation of church and state thing ? Just asking
Quote from: jarhead on January 26, 2013, 12:55:37 PM
Ross,
Would the school renting from the tax exempt church run into trouble with that ol separation of church and state thing ? Just asking
Interesting question. In today's America, it's hard tellin. Perhaps the ACLU or one of the national separation of church n state groups will sue and let us know.
Pehaps another question would be whether this is a really wise expenditure of county & state taxpayers money... especially since the existing roof & HVAC need expensive repairs. Priorities?
Lordy! Much of what I quoted below looks like the school board has its' fingers in darned near everything BUT the education of children. County employees, city streets, county PILOT money, lobby activities....
Do they ever discuss the curriculum, teacher incentives, student test scores, new learning opportunities for the kids, teacher retention or continuing education opportunities?
Sounds more like the agenda of a private community organizing group than an elected board with a charter to provide the best education possible to the kids in their charge. Hmmmmm. Konnections perhaps?
Quote from: Ross on January 26, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
After the meeting got started we took a tour of the AOG building.
I had been wondering what the AOG building was that was referred to in the School Board agenda, and I learned it is actually the Assembly of God Church that is being built next to the school. Their plans apparently are to make money and want the building to be used on a daily basis by whoever wants to use it. Of course I'd bet it will be for a good fee which only makes sense, maintenance and upkeep and utilities for heating and cooling such a large building is expensive. The two gentlemen leading the discussion and tour informed us the building cost $700,000 of which $200,000 was donated. They also informed us that the floor would be of a special material with lines poured right into it, that would be either two volley ball courts or a regulation basketball court. And if the school wanted to use it the church would work with them. It was suggested that moveable basket ball goals that were weighted and moveable be used and that when set in place by hydraulics would not move be used. And if the school board wanted scoreboards they could possibly work something out. The church members even suggested that the building might be used as a daycare for the children after school and the children could walk right over there instead of being out there on the street.
Church would be on Sundays and Wednesdays as I understand them to say.
During the discussion and tour I kept hearing over and over again and again, "It's all about the children", "It's all about the Children", "It's all about the Children".
I have to disagree with that, it's not all about the Children. To me its more about a $700,000 investment and how to capitalize on it. It is a big building and although it probably won't be complete until fall (their words) I'm sure it will be quite beautiful inside with state of the art heating and cooling and a whole lot of other amenities, kitchen, bathrooms, classrooms, sound system and other things a church night require. They surely aren't building all that because it's all about the children. Aren't we getting a little tired of that battle cry, "Its all about the children", "its for the kids". Maybe for their own kids, IDK, what do you think?
I would ask is, it first a Community Center useable by everyone, or is it, first the Assembly of God Church and still available to everyone? Why? Because if it is first a Community Center designed to make money like any other business, shouldn't it be on the County Tax Rolls to help with the expenses of "The Quality of Life" in Elk County. So it could pay its fair share of property taxes to help pay for the infrastructure of Elk County? If it is first the Assembly of God Church it is all tax free and should in my opinion indicate that it is the Assembly of God Church in any transactions with the public, and be proud of that fact. This leaves so many other questions in it's dealings with the West Elk School District for a later time. I did enjoy getting a look at the construction of the wood framing inside the building.
After nearly an hour of discussion and tour of the church, it's back to the school and the regular board meeting.
The board moved right into the long range planning without the presence of Dr. Christman. The professor they hired as a facilitator, remember they said he was ill and could not make it.
The talk was mainly about remodeling/construction adding onto the south west
end of the building. Really.
A School board member voiced the fluctuation of the number of students in the school.
At the meeting the public had with Dr. Christman, The professor/facilitator spoke of declining enrollments due to home schooling and computerized learning at home. Kids would attend school at home via computer.
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Some of the things said at the meeting are:
Roof and air conditioning problems that need taken care of. (These are very expensive to tend to.)
Why would anyone want to move here and live in a dilapidated house? (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
The County Youth Director Job is gone! (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) Remember the supposed e-mail about this job.
There is the P.I.L.O.T. money from the wind farm. We could approach the County Commissioners. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
Roads are just as bad in the towns. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
People don't want to move out here to live in town, they want to live in the country. They want 50 acres so they feel like they live in the country. Maybe we or the county or somebody can get some land and sell it to them. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) (Sounds like Elk Konnected School Board member to me, what do you think)
Need to replace the trailers they are to small, they don't look good.
The use of a Morton Building was mentioned and I heard laughter. The question was asked, if Morton Buildings knew about building school buildings and the answer was affirmative.
Talk was about moving the smaller children inside the big building and put the older children that have smaller classes in the trailers.It was also mentioned that the school has two libraries and only needs one. Then they could make two class rooms out of one of the libraries. (Hey, available space in the building for more children. I bet if they look closer they can find more wasted space.)
It was suggested that board members keep an eye on the commissioners and city councils. Lobby to get things done. (Is this a school board or school district business or budget or function?)
Well, what can we expect with a Konnected School Board President and a feww Konnected school board members?
I know, we have to count on the few that may not be konnected to continue to think for themselves.
What, with a shacky population, as one of the board members pointed out, by saying something to the effect that you don't know what kids are staying and what ones might move out, how can you even afford to think about building a larger school building? That would just increase the cost of maintenance and upkeep and utilities.
Watch Us Grow! Deeper and deeper and deeper in debt wjith higher taxes, for what?
http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/24/2579419/outgoing-kansas-board-of-education.html#storylink=cpy
Okay, I've been put down once again on this forum and I'm okay with that.
You have every right to express your opinion and I respect that.
As a taxpayer and a voter, I also have the same right. And I hope you can respect that!
What I have been reading amounts to nothing more in my personal opinion, is if the people of Elk County don't agree with the few Konnected folks they are wrong. Isn't that what you are saying?
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners admitted at a County Commissioners meeting when they had total control that Elk Konnected, LLC recommended that Elk County have an Employee to do Youth Development and the two Kontrolling votes of Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted to accept Elk Konnected, LLC's recommendation. Wasn't that convenient?
I would suggest that if the privately owned company wishes to keep their Steering Committee Member as a Youth Development Employee fine, hire her. Most companies/ LLC's do hire employees don't they?
However, as a Youth Development program for Elk County, I never saw anything that represented Youth Development. I know that organizations like the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4-H, FFA and other such have programs, that are based on a schedule with the ability to learn and grow do provide Youth Development. That truly represents youth development to me. Since when is sitting down and watching a movie any form of development? Since when is sporadic anything youth development?
The County Youth Development Program never reached anywhere near ten percent of the children in Elk County, so what made the program worth thousands of dollars in pay and benefits? Nothing in my opinion! According to the US Census Bureau 25.7% of
Elk County is under 18, you can do the math. http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/20/20049.html
I believe the real problem is attitude of a few, just my opinion.
I personally have welcomed several new comers to our area.
I don't go around calling them outsiders as I have been called, thank you!
I personally, believe our County Commissioners deserve a pat on the back for a job well done. But, I am sure you few konnected people do not, because our County Commissioners are not konnected kounty kommissioners katering to a few, they are County Commissioners catering to the whole of Elk County for the betterment of Elk County.
Oh, by the way you can not blame the County Commissioners for the Konnected failures with their Wellness Center or their Daycare now can you?
Elk Konnected, LLC wanted a Youth Development person, here is your chance, why not hire her?
Now, I am done with this thread.
So go ahead and tear me up, you are entitled to your opinion.
Thank you for reading my opinion.
Read the new thread where this post is located at
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14931.0.html
Quote from: Ross on January 28, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
Now, I am done with this thread.
Read the new thread where this post is located at
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14931.0.html
I suppose I should clarify this, "Now, I am done with this thread." I was referring to the thread where I posted the remark first and that being http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14931.0.html
This thread "Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25" could renain active for a long time. Only tine will tell.
Isn't "Freedom of Speech" great!
Today's newspaper on the back page, Wow! What a one sided affair.
It appears to me to be a selfless little group of people and some who own businesses crying about nothing.
But wait a minute isn't one of those businesses Elk Konnected, LLC?
Hey and aren't those people that showed up at the County Commissioners to complain aren't those Konnected folks?
Weren't they all from Howard?
Where are the rest of the County Citizens that are unhappy with the County Commissioners?
There weren't any were there?
Why wasn't that mentioned in the paper by the editor?
Perhaps, because the editor is affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC?
Do you suppose?
How bad do these people want Elk County to look to the people outside of Elk County?
Now, then these folks complained that the County Commissioners did not ask the public before they voted to discontinue the Elk County Youth Development position, I ask why should they? The people called the County Commissioners, except for the one remaining Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, I suppose!
Did these folks, that are crying now, who are most likely the folks that make up Elk Konnected, when they asked their Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to hire this person,
did they go to the public?
No!
If I'm wrong, let me know where, when and how please?
Did their Konnected Kounty Kommissioners when they had the KONTROLLING votes did they ask the public? No!
If I'm wrong, let me know where, when and how they contacted the public, please?
Why the double standard?
Why didn't our newspaper report these facts?
If Elk Konnected, LLC wants a Youth Development person, why doesn't the business hire her? Doesn't LLC mean a Limited Liability Company?
By the way what has happened to Elk Konnected, LLC are they still around?
We haven't heard from them in quite awhile, have we?
Nothing in the paper for a long time, huh?
Or did I miss the articles about Elk Konnected, LLC?
As far as the declining population and the economic effects it has on the business owners profits just how is it, they expect the taxpayers and their customers pay to improve their situation?
These business people have their Elk Konnected, LLC with visionaries and their Chamber of Commerce to work for them don't they?
What are they doing to improve their business?
The "Neighborhood Revitalization Program" was nothing more than a "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" situation and an plan of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. That would only benefit a very few people with what they called tax rebates. Which I would have considered nothing more than welfare for a few.
But them Konnected folks and followers would have us to believe that it would not amount to that much money. Well if that is true, it would not be worth while for anyone to take advantage of it, would it? And it would not accomplish anything would it?
Why did the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners chose to ignore, that the state of Kansas highly suggested that the program was not suitable for rural use?
Did the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners ask the public if they wanted this program?
No!
If I'm wrong, let me know where, when and how please?
Why wouldn't the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners do a feasibility study on the "Neighborhood Revitalization Program"? Possibly because it would have proved it would accomplish nothing, that is if the study was performed correctly!
Why were the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners in such a big hurry to pass it 2 to1?
So, why do these people want to make Elk County look bad in the local newspaper?
What happened to all that positive stuff of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Elk Konnected, LLC won't you please hire this poor girl?
Didn't Elk Konnected show up at the last Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting last year and give our Youth Development Employees report to the commissioners? She couldn't do it herself, why?
Isn't she still on your board of directors er I mean Steering Committee?
After all didn't you get her in this predicament?
Shouldn't you accept some responsibility?
To our Elk County Commissioners , I'm proud of you, keep up the good work for all the taxpayers.
So really what does every one think is going on?
Is this the new Elk Konnected way?
That article did seem a tad biased, didn't it. And today I find out the appraiser understated the tax consequences at the meeting. The benefits to taxpayers are going to be more than originally claimed.
Gee, Martha Stewart, all that and more road work too! Maybe the world doesn't end when conservative thinkers are driving the bus.
I can see the headlines in honest news outlets already "Taxpayers Win! Small Kansas county reduces property tax levies by 20%!"
Durn How'd I do that.
I let the remark Dr. Black was quoted by the paper as saying slip by me.
This remark and I quote the newspaper,
"said the commission did not publicize their plans, noting it was obvious that before-meeting discussions had taken place."
I beg your pardon, was he at that meeting?
I wasn't, but I heard from people that were there, that they had to encourage Hebb to vote for the changes.
So just where did that remark come from about before-meeting discussions?
The paper continued with, "I worry that you violated the open meetings law."
"I think you are being influenced by a handful of people who are very much in the minority"
Is that the way the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners worked last year?
Did they have before-meeting discussions.
Is that what is happening with the konnected school board members about building a wing on to West Elk?
Let's review what was said at the most recent speecial school board meeting for a moment, shall we?
Quote from: Ross on January 26, 2013, 12:10:22 PM
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Some of the things said at the meeting are:
Roof and air conditioning problems that need taken care of. (These are very expensive to tend to.)
Why would anyone want to move here and live in a dilapidated house? (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
The County Youth Director Job is gone! (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) Remember the supposed e-mail about this job.
There is the P.I.L.O.T. money from the wind farm. We could approach the County Commissioners. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
Roads are just as bad in the towns. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?)
People don't want to move out here to live in town, they want to live in the country. They want 50 acres so they feel like they live in the country. Maybe we or the county or somebody can get some land and sell it to them. (Is this a school board and school district business or budget or function?) (Sounds like Elk Konnected School Board member to me, what do you think)
Need to replace the trailers they are to small, they don't look good.
The use of a Morton Building was mentioned and I heard laughter. The question was asked, if Morton Buildings knew about building school buildings and the answer was affirmative.
Remember how the last bond issue went.
Talk was about moving the smaller children inside the big building and put the older children that have smaller classes in the trailers.
It was also mentioned that the school has two libraries and only needs one. Then they could make two class rooms out of one of the libraries. (Hey, available space in the building for more children. I bet if they look closer they can find more wasted space.)
It was suggested that board members keep an eye on the commissioners and city councils. Lobby to get things done. (Is this a school board or school district business or budget or function?)
End of "Some of the things said at the meeting are:"
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Doesn't that sound just like an Elk Konnected, LLC meeting rather than a school board meeting? And they did
lobby the County Commissioners, didn't they? And it was about the
Youth Development job wasn't it?
Where do they come up with these ideas, these supposed community leaders of ours?
Is it what they practice?
And talking about the influence of a handful of people, isn't that all they had show up to cry to the commissioners, just a handful of them konnected folks?
Didn't both Elected Officials, our county leaders tell you they had heard from many taxpayers. Taxpayers that contacted them about these subjects. I doubt any of them were liberals or Konnected, and I suppose that makes a difference, doesn't it?
Why won't those Elk Konnected, Followers talk with us any more?
Are they finally accepting the truth?
Yes the taxpayers win finally.
Quote from: Patriot on January 30, 2013, 08:12:05 PM
That article did seem a tad biased, didn't it. And today I find out the appraiser understated the tax consequences at the meeting. The benefits to taxpayers are going to be more than originally claimed.
Gee, Martha Stewart, all that and more road work too! Maybe the world doesn't end when conservative thinkers are driving the bus.
I can see the headlines in honest news outlets already "Taxpayers Win! Small Kansas county reduces property tax levies by 20%!"
The local newspaper for Elk County is liberal. It's clearly on the side of the 'Progressive Community', not individual liberty.
Ross maybe you should write a letter to the paper ,more people read the paper than look at the forum. just a thought
My grandmother used to buy a paper back when Sam Shade owned it in Sedan. My mother used to purchase the paper, the Sedan Times Star back when Sam Shade owned it in Sedan. I purchased the paper when Martin Heller owned it in Sedan. Rudy, I used to purchase your paper but I prefer something to be a little less biased, therefore I shall no longer purchase the old rag that circulates. I'll go as far to say as I won't even line my damn birdcage with it. My dog used to enjoy reading your paper as it done its' deed. There seems to be some hard feelings over the landslide ousting of a former commissioner, the "leader" of Elk Konnected. The money grab that they had with all the grants from taxpayer money will be harder to achieve now. And the Elk Konnected mansion is looking more like a dilapidated trailer house. Your socialist, liberal, biased views are no longer tolerated with me and I'll call for a boycott of the Prairie Star, Montgomery County Chronicle and all of the newspapers in the Taylor Family. ---Robert
Quote from: oldfart on January 31, 2013, 04:49:52 PM
Ross maybe you should write a letter to the paper ,more people read the paper than look at the forum. just a thought
Thanks for the thought.
However, I tried that almost two years ago.
I did post what happened.
Rudy said no, he said my letter was to long.
He aslo siad no because he said he was Elk Konnected affiliated.
I 'm sure you have noticed the slant and the coverage of Elk Konnected in the paper.
So I figure that would be a waste of time.
I liked Elk Konnected when it first got started, I attended it's first meeting in Longton.
I even told that gray haired man from Leoti I thought they had some pretty good ideas.
It just didn't take long to learn about the
self centeredness of the Howard bunch running the show.
Two clues from page one of this thread:
Quote from: Ross on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
But you know, I really feel word of mouth is much more powerful!
Talk among the citizens and recognizing for themselves what is best for them and the county.
Even a lot of the people in
Howard wised up and voted in a new county commissioner.
It in my opinion just a little clique of so called community leaders and merchants is all Elk Konnected, LLC amounts to.
And to me they don't even seem to really care, that the young lady is losing her position as Elk County Youth Development. I think they care that they lost another control element with-in Elk Coutny Government.
To me if they really thought Elk County, really needed that service, and they really cared for the young lady, their company Elk Konnected, LLC could hire her and provide her a decent wage and health benefits, couldn't they? They are a privately owned company right? Companies do hire employees right?
And then all those leaders and merchants could also have their very own Economic Development Employee to help with the economics of their businesses, right?
Oh, but they would rather operate on
OPM,
Other
Peoples
Money, right?
It really seemed to upset them, that the
OPM has been stopped hasn't it?
Just think would that banker just up and give you money, hell no, not with out a contract and interest and monthly payments and backed up by some collateral, would he?
So why should the taxpayers be any different with his Elk Konnected, LLC?
Why shouldn't the county be just as business savy as the banker?
What happened to those few followers that were on here, they don't seem to have nothing left to say? Why?
Quote from: kshillbillys on January 31, 2013, 06:45:40 PM
My grandmother used to buy a paper back when Sam Shade owned it in Sedan. My mother used to purchase the paper, the Sedan Times Star back when Sam Shade owned it in Sedan. I purchased the paper when Martin Heller owned it in Sedan. Rudy, I used to purchase your paper but I prefer something to be a little less biased, therefore I shall no longer purchase the old rag that circulates. I'll go as far to say as I won't even line my damn birdcage with it. My dog used to enjoy reading your paper as it done its' deed. There seems to be some hard feelings over the landslide ousting of a former commissioner, the "leader" of Elk Konnected. The money grab that they had with all the grants from taxpayer money will be harder to achieve now. And the Elk Konnected mansion is looking more like a dilapidated trailer house. Your socialist, liberal, biased views are no longer tolerated with me and I'll call for a boycott of the Prairie Star, Montgomery County Chronicle and all of the newspapers in the Taylor Family. ---Robert
Well Robert I am disappointed in you and your attitude about this. If you feel this is the way to disagree, then I will not be stopping to eat at your place again. I have stopped there a couple of times and had planned to again. I think you are really hurting your business with the above post.
Oldtimer, Rudy enjoys the freedom of the press. I enjoy the freedom of speech, and we all enjoy the freedom to shop and spend our money where we want. My name is out in the public, everyone knows who I am. I'm not hiding behind a false name, without anyone knowing who I am. I can't confirm that you have ever been to The Elk River Drive-In. If we all knew who you are, we would know whether you have or not. Regardless, I will sleep just fine tonight knowing that I'll keep an extra 75 cents in my pocket and continue to purchase The Wichita Eagle, Tulsa World and The Independence Reporter, just not The Prairie Star. --Robert L. Walker
Quote from: kshillbillys on January 31, 2013, 09:29:39 PM
Oldtimer, Rudy enjoys the freedom of the press. I enjoy the freedom of speech, and we all enjoy the freedom to shop and spend our money where we want. My name is out in the public, everyone knows who I am. I'm not hiding behind a false name, without anyone knowing who I am. I can't confirm that you have ever been to The Elk River Drive-In. If we all knew who you are, we would know whether you have or not. Regardless, I will sleep just fine tonight knowing that I'll keep an extra 75 cents in my pocket and continue to purchase The Wichita Eagle, Tulsa World and The Independence Reporter, just not The Prairie Star. --Robert L. Walker
Robert I stop by and enjoy your hamburgers that are really good and reasonably priced. And my son loves them and the fries as well.
And We will continue to do so. I also enjoy visiting with your cook. I will most likely be by tomorrow for one of them good burgers. If the man doesn't know a good thing when he tastes it, oh well!
Keep up the good work.
Oh and I don't see you asking for OPN without earning it, kije some merchants.
Robert,
I'll take oldtimer's burger... and raise him an ice cream sandwich. ;D
What's with all that negativity comming out of those Elk Konnected, LLC people at the county commissioners ?
And then they top it off with al that newspaper stuff, why?
Don't they like Elk County?
What happened to all that positive stuff they pushed at their Kommunity Konversations?
I guess we should have expected all that negative attitude from them! Afterall they didn't have the circle of chairs and the little kindergarten stars and total control with the sheriff to throw people out, did they?
After all they wrote an open letter dissing a couple of our communities didn't they?
And they said all that negative attitude was why they said they got started up, wasn't it?
How terrible is that?
And what exactly are the plans of the West Elk Konnected School Board President and other Konnected Members of the school board?
I sure am thankful for the members of the West Elk School Board that are not konnected. Thanks to those board members.
Stick to your principles and vote them.
Well, let's just examine our illustrious newspaper editors Editorial in this weeks paper shall we.
It appears to be written very cautiously to me.
But it sure came across condescending towards our Elk County Government, so much so that it is down right rude towards our elected officials. I do believe if the man is any kind of a person of principles he would write an apology in the paper to Mr. Hebb and Mr. Ritz. Both who are outstanding members of our community and are doing the job they were elected to do.
His praise and description of Elk Konnected is totally screwed in my opinion and does not do justice to our County or the citizens and taxpayers of our County.
He fails to note all the conflict within Elk County that is perpetrated by Elk Konnected in my opinion. Just plain lazy reporting, no biased reporting. You notice he does not metion his affiliation with Elk Konnected, does he?
He doesn't mention that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau is Elk Konnected and of course he would side with the dissenters, the editor doesn't mention that does he?
For the Editor to ask if it makes Gary Hebb or Doug Ritz evil or corrupt is just despicable and rude and crude no matter that he tries to indicate it doesn't. These men are listening to the majority of the people in Elk County not just the little clique that makes up the Elk Konnected that Rudy told me he is affiliated with.
If Rudy takes pride in that editorial, I would suggest that he re-examines his principles.
If he were to do that I would expect to see a retraction and a sincere apology to our County Commissioners Mr. Hebb and Mr. Ritz.
How about if Rudy reported how Elk Konnected went to our Konnected Kounty Kommissioners when they had the two Kontrolling votes and asked them to hire the Youth Development Employee and their two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted to do just that?
How about if Rudy reported that everytime Elk Konnected went before the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners asking for money that the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted to give them the money? Would a good reporter set the story straight? I think so.
And exactly what does Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company consist of?
Is it more than a dozen or so of business owners?
What do they want?
Is it taxpayer dollars to boost their profits at their businesses?
They don't have to work around the Elk County Government as Rudy says, to take care of their own problems, just use your visionaries, isn't that all they need?
All these taxpayers are their customers, don't they realize that?
I do believe most of the people, the citizens, are here to support Elk County.
But do they think they have to provide their hard earned tax dollars as welfare to the any privately owned business? Do you think so Rudy? Can you respond to that question Rudy? We all know you are reading this, just as the dozen or so associated or affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC.
Elk County is a beautiful county and 99% of the people recognize that.
And just about everyone is Elk County is real friendly and helpful of each other, down home type people.
The few that are dissatisfied and showed up at the County Commissioners Meeting, that Rudy appears to back, IMHO, need to find their own solution and stop blaming others. Drop the big city attitude, that's another suggestion from me.
I do believe if Rudy would quit writing about Elk County from such a slanted view he would be doing us all a favor.
Use your visionaries that you have bragged about!
These are just my personal opinion and feelings.
And I'm ready to be stomped on for voicing them.
Let me have it. I'm expecting it.
Quote from: Ross on February 01, 2013, 02:37:02 PM
...You notice he does not metion his affiliation with Elk Konnected, does he?...
...He doesn't mention that Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau is Elk Konnected and of course he would side with the dissenters, the editor doesn't mention that does he?...
No. And to think, Mr. Taylor's protege, Andy Taylor (editor of the Montgomery Chronical, another Taylor family publication) , was recently appointed to the Kansas Ethics Commission. One would think that the beginning of ethical behavior would be full and open disclosure... I would think the readers would expect at least that from a newspaper publisher. But then, look at the trends among national news - NBC, CBS, ABC, MSNBC, CNN, The New York Times, etc. Perhaps Mr. Taylor fits right in with the big boys after all. So much for honestly presenting
all the facts.
This 'article', after all, is an editorial. Though it reeked more of a twisted, one sided 'news' story. No ethical lines? No problem. At least the readership now knows where the Sedan based paper stands.
Of course, it's interesting to see tht the publisher of the Prairie Star would drive all the way to Howard on the day when the core of Elk Lonnected, LLC would be staging a mass protest at the commission meeting. I've seen no one from the paper at a commission meeting in over 2 years. Was his presence, with camera, and his long winded editorial an accident or coincidence? Doubtful.
If it walks like a duck & talks like a duck .....
Yes, where are the ethics, only to show up at our County Commissioners meeting, for the Konnected bunch whom he says he is affiliated with?
I was speaking with a man about this editorial where Rudy was IMHO alluding to Gary Hebb or Doug Ritz being evil or corrupt by asking such a question, even though he said No it doesn't. I told the man I found it to be despicable and rude and crude to plant such a seed of doubt over our county government, and the man agreed with me.
Well, I said, I wonder how Mr. Taylor would feel if the county changed papers for our official newspaper. The man said it wouldn't be the first time and he said either Cedar Vale or some other community did that a few years ago. He could not remember what community for sure.
Perhaps, that is what our county needs to do since, Mr. Taylor is Konnected and has such high regard for the company Elk Konnected, LLC over our elected officials.
Or, perhaps, he would prefer to drop his bias and print an apology to Elk County citizens and its elected officials.
Just my thoughts. I wonder what the majority of the Elk County taxpayers might think?
Do they like a newspaper that disses our county in this fashion?
After all it is the majority that counts isn't it?
It's not just some little clique that counts, huh?
You have been planting seeds of doubt about our county officials for a longtime. You have planted seeds of doubt about the school board and about the people of Howard. I would say that if anyone has done damage to elk county it is you and a couple of your followers. How many times have you put erroneous information out here just to make your point. I know a big percent of the people think you have done more damage to elk county than anyone.
Talk about giving a lousy impression....
ELK@KC...
It seems that you aren't exactly the queen of perfect & polite.... and probably not the conservative you have pretended to be since 2008... at least not when it comes to your shots at those who disagree with local policies and politicians. Yeah, you're the sweet innocent one with nothing but nice things to say...
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 28, 2008, 08:07:10 AM
SDM, That is funny coming from you, since you are the number one name caller on the forum. Instead of just disagreeing with the subject,You seem to enjoy putting down people that disagree with you.
Quote from: ELK@KC on March 04, 2010, 07:38:12 PM
RED you are obviously not a farmer...,
I think you need to stick with your TV Junkyard business.
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 30, 2009, 12:20:08 PM
ANMAR, you are so full of yourself, you seem to have a very distinct inferiority complex... we also are sure that you are sexually confused, some think you are a male wanting to be a female and some think you are a female wanting to be a male. Hopefully you will get some help... You belong on a California Pelosi forum.
Quote from: ELK@KC on July 27, 2009, 12:13:05 PM
ANWAR... my husband and my neighbors says that you are totally full of crap.
Quote from: ELK@KC on November 11, 2009, 07:07:43 PM
Why is it that Liberals are ashamed to be labelled a Liberal. Diane you are about as much a Moderate as Joe Biden
To Sixdogsmom...
Quote from: ELK@KC on September 28, 2009, 09:10:00 AM
A quote from Elk County's own Nancy Pelosi
Quote from: ELK@KC on June 21, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
Steve, you could be head of the Greenwood County Tea Party, with Headquarters in Piedmont. I can see the the rallys now, with you on the stage to show how much love there is in the party you could kiss your Goat on Stage.
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 01, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
You have been planting seeds of doubt about our county officials for a longtime.
Oh is that so!
Just where is the doubt that last year there were two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
Where is the doubt that Elk Konnected, LLC made the suggestion that the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hire the Youth Development Employee and that the two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners then voted to hire her?
Where is that doubt exactly? There is no seed of doubt? Show us where, please?
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 01, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
You have planted seeds of doubt about the school board and about the people of Howard. I would say that if anyone has done damage to elk county it is you and a couple of your followers.
What seed of doubt are you talking about?
Isn't the West Elk School Board President on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee and hasn't he had his name on their web page since it's inception as a point of contact?
Check it out, it says David Whetstone 620-374-2296 at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
And the Steering Committee Jennifer Brummel, Julie Englebrecht, Liz Hendricks, Tommie Provence, David Whetstone at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php
Can you show us where the seed of doubt is?
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 01, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
How many times have you put erroneous information out here just to make your point.
Would you be so good as to show us some of that erroneous information?
Have I made an occasional error, sure I'm human, and I believe any error made by me was corrected.
But do I print a newspaper, no!
And haven't I repeatedly asked people not to listen to me, but to think for themselves?
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 01, 2013, 09:09:10 PM
I know a big percent of the people think you have done more damage to elk county than anyone.
I'm sure you think you do, and you can think anything you want?
But you know what. I know of a larger percent that voted out one of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and probably the majority of them were from Howard. And I gave them kudos for recognizing a problem and tending to it.
Let's hear some more of your thoughts, I find them rather interesting.
Have a good night, I'm gonna get ready for bed now.
I'll check back tomorrow.
Oh, one more question, if someone has an answer.
How long is our ex-county commissioner allowed to continue to advertise herself as County Commissioner on her web site for Elk Konnected,LLC?
At http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
Just where are the ethics?
Good night.
Quote from: Patriot on February 01, 2013, 06:22:34 PM
Of course, it's interesting to see tht the publisher of the Prairie Star would drive all the way to Howard on the day when the core of Elk Lonnected, LLC would be staging a mass protest at the commission meeting. I've seen no one from the paper at a commission meeting in over 2 years. Was his presence, with camera, and his long winded editorial an accident or coincidence? Doubtful.
If it walks like a duck & talks like a duck .....
It just goes to show that it's not only the Obama gorup with an agenda to change this country and
it's been in the making for a long time. The Republican agenda is not much different.
By the way, the Prairie Star was not the first communist paper in Chautauqua/Elk County.
The Progressive Community near Cedar Vale published a newspaper in the 1870's.
I'm hearing rumors them Elk Konnected people are up to something again.
Something to do with that expensive and wasted position of Elk County Youth Development.
I mean did you ever see any form of youth development from that position?
Is watching an occassional movie a new kind of youth development.
Is youth development only an occassional thing?
Is baby sitting for a couple of hours called summer day camp, a new form of child development?
Isn't child development something the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and 4-H and FFA do?
And isn't that done on a weekly basis with regular meetings?
Has our youth developement even came close to anything representing youth development?
If Elk Konnected, LLC wants Youth Development, why don't they hire a Youth Development employee?
They are a Limited Liability Company and companies hire employees, don't they?
We know they have failed at everything they have triied to do, with the exception of begging and
spending OPM (Other Peoples Money, right?
What happened to their day care center? They begged for appliances and a lot of other stuff and didn't they receive stuff?
I know, I helped them acquire a refrigerator and a couple of other appliances.
I'd suggest if the idea of the day care center has failed like everything else they have tried, perhaps they could give those appliances to someone that needs them and cannot afford to buy them.
I have a question for elk konnected, LLC, when do you start producing something, anything?
Well, I'm gonna go out and see what I can learn about the rumor I've heard.
I'll let you know what I learn, if anything.
Well, here we go. I know a few people are going to be upset with this post and on that note I wish to say sorry about that.
I think we should all be able to get along even though we disagree politically.
I personally don't believe we should do each other harm in any way shape or form.
Now, I have heard from several people that they will no longer shop in Howard because of present day events. I personally feel that is doing harm both to the merchants and the county.
Now what is happening to provoke such attitudes?
Could it be the petition to reinstate the Elk County Youth Development position?
Yes, in my opinion and because several people have told me so. Others had quit several weeks ago.
Is this good for Elk County Economic Development?
I don't think so!
I happen to like some of these folks, even though I disagree with their politics about Economic Development and Youth Development. So I will continue to shop with them.
Now about that Elk Konnected bunch (really just a few people) that showed up at the County Commissioners meeting, it appears it was only the merchants and so call Leaders of the community.
But really who is Elk Konnected I have been asking for nearly two years, and no answer, why?
What are they hiding from?
Are those people that showed up at the county commissioners meeting, really Elk Konnected?
If so, since Elk konnected lost the Kontrolling votes on the County Commissioners Board, are they going to attempt Kontrol of our government by petition?
Will the petition only be available in Howard?
I heard there is a copy of the petition in the bank in Howard?
I saw the petition in the Drug Store in Howard while shoping?
If anyone know of other locations let us know, please.
If you don't want to post it drop me a private message and I will do it for you with out mentioning your name.
Will Elk konnected post it at West Elk, we know how they like to use the children, don't we?
Does this put forth a good image for Elk County.
Will it make tomorrows newspaper?
My guess is, yes. Isn't the editor Elk Konnected affiliated?
Let's wait and see.
If it's not there I will be pleasantly surprised.
Will the petition be verified by the County Clerk or who ever does the voter registration be checking to see that all the petition signers are registered voters? Or if all of them are citizens of Elk County? I sure hope so.
Apparently today is the first day of the petition and it had 17 people sign it.
Will the county commissioners be required to run our county on simple and self centered petitions by a few people? I sure hope not.
If they can't accept what our elected officials told them and this petition fails will a lawsuit against the county be next?
Will we the property tax payers have to spend our hard earned money to fend off a lawsuit?
How far will these few people go to get their own way?
To our real leaders of the community that listen to the people and do the peoples wishes:\
County Commissioner Hebb and County Commissioner Ritz, good job.
I am proud of you.
You have managed to do a few of the things on the ridiculous list of Elk Konnecteds that made since.
You paid off the County Debts
You have put money towards improving the county roads.
(and yes it will take time to do the job right)
You have managed to reduce property taxes
But does Elk Konnected recognize what you have done?
Well I do! Keep up the good work.
Now all you followers go ahead slap me down, I'm ready and willing to hear it.
A petition. Isn't that special. After 2+ years of watching the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners shut down opposing viewpoints during commission meetings, at least these folks were afforded an opportunity to voice their opinions openly and without contention from the commissioners. That's one heck of a lot more consideration than the previous board afforded folks in the past. Let em have their petition. Seems like a lot of work just to keep from lowering the cost of government. But, heck, this group of folks never met a taxpayer dollar they couldn't find a way to spend.
Perhaps someday they'll wake up to the realities of our current economy & remember that the government works for the taxpayers/voters.... not the other way around.
Ross, am I the only one who remembers your threat to take your business elsewhere and you were going to encourage your friends to do the same? Have you wisely changed your mind?
I wondered then why you had shot yourself in the foot. Boycotting the local businesses that are hanging on by a thread as it is...now that's real narrow minded thinking, isn't it? Ghost towns on the horizon, so instead of being friendly and encouraging newcomers, some of you want to pound nails in the community coffin? Yeah, that'll show 'em all right. ??? My word!
Sure, and I'M the one full of crap. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 05, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
Ross, am I the only one who remembers your threat to take your business elsewhere and you were going to encourage your friends to do the same? Have you wisely changed your mind?
I do believe, I said, I wouldn't like to do that but if they continued to ask for "Beggae-Thy-Neighbor" or "Welfare for the Wealthy" called rebates. I would boycott that entity. And I meant it. I don't think it is a good idea but if people want to hurt the taxpayers then they should pay for it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 05, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
I wondered then why you had shot yourself in the foot. Boycotting the local businesses that are hanging on by a thread as it is...now that's real narrow minded thinking, isn't it?
No more narrow minded then merchant's thinking that the taxpayers should fund their business, By using County taxpayers money. So they are desperate as is everyone else across the country, I feel for them. But I support their business with my hard earned mone purchasing from them, and they make a profit. Isn't that enough out of my poscket?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 05, 2013, 04:28:57 PM
Ghost towns on the horizon, so instead of being friendly and encouraging newcomers, some of you want to pound nails in the community coffin? Yeah, that'll show 'em all right. ??? My word!
Sure, and I'M the one full of crap. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Yes Diane you are full of crap, on that we can agree.
I have probably welcomed more new comers to Elk County since I have been here than anyone else. Remember who is calling newcomers, outsiders. The Konnected followers, isn't it.
Why don't you tell those konnected friends of your to be more cordial. Oh, especially your friend Rudy, tell him too.
I gotta run for now there is a couple of hamburgers and fries and drinks waiting for me to go order at the Highway drive in, in Longton. Have I told you how much better their hamburger are then Burger King or McDonalds.
Quote from Diane:
I'M the one full of crap
YES !!! Hallelujah !!! She has seen the light and finally said something I believe !!! :angel:
Stephanie just posted on FB that they have a copy of the petition at the feed store in Moline for anyone who wants to sign it.
Do with that what you will.
How did Rudy come into this? Yes, as many do, I do know him and consider him a friend, so what? You don't like the fact that the owner of a newspaper can speak as he likes, don't read it. That's why Howard had several newspapers years ago...all expressing different views.That pesky freedom of speech, ya know?
Enjoy your hillbilly burgers. They just have to be better than any chain can do.
Thank you Diane for your promotion of The Elk River Drive-In's delicious bacon cheeseburgers and seasoned tater wedges. Don't forget a cold iced tea to wash it down. And I too am glad you realized you are full of shit. You chime in on COUNTY politics when you don't live here, spend your dollars here or have a clue as to what actually goes on. Thank you for your superior knowledge in the way the infrastructure of our local government is run.
Ross--It sounds like the Elk Konnected group are still upset that the head of the snake was cut off and the rest of the body is being disposed of. Putting a petition out sounds like nothing more than a form of Elk Konnected coup. Kudos to District 1 and 2 Commissioners for having the intelligence and the manly fortitude to do what's right. Now if the people in District 3 would get together and oust little Kenny Liebau, things truly would look up for everyone. But remember what they did by shutting down the grade schools even after it was voted to keep things going and a former county commissioner (as of last month) stated "Screw the Public. We'll give them what we want to!"-----Robert L. Walker
Uh, you have no idea how much money I have happily spent, donated, and given to support your area and people over the years. Just because I don't talk about it doesn't make it true.Ya might want to rethink that statement >:(. As far as in not knowing how your county works, the last time I visited, I had something in mind. After doing some serious investigation, I decided not to make the investment I had being thinking about. Your water problems had a lot to do with it also. My treatment on this forum has done nothing to change my mind. Too bad, and I don't appreciate your cussing in my name. :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 06, 2013, 11:08:04 AM
Uh, you have no idea how much money I have happily spent, donated, and given to support your area and people over the years. Just because I don't talk about it doesn't make it true.Ya might want to rethink that statement >:(. As far as in not knowing how your county works, the last time I visited, I had something in mind. After doing some serious investigation, I decided not to make the investment I had being thinking about. Your water problems had a lot to do with it also. My treatment on this forum has done nothing to change my mind. Too bad, and I don't appreciate your cussing in my name. :P
Diane you know i have been called an outsider by your friends, the Elk Konnected Followers. But the real truth is I live here and I vote here and i pay property taxes here. Where as you living in Delaware make you the real outsider and all that ratchet jawing from you just because you have few friends with in Elk Konnected, LLC means nothing to the majority of Elk County citizens. Especially since you try to make everything about you. And it all just sounds real phony. Sure you were going to invest in Elk County but you don't say where or how, B. S. If you were as smart as you want us to believe, you would know there are probably much better investments in your own community in Delaware. Why don't you just stick with e-mailing your B.S. to your friend Liz about those investments and spare us.
Now, for some real information, just in case anyone has missed the latest post in the coffee shop, great and positive news.
The link is
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14974.0.htmlOh and I hear them konnected folks plan to present their petition to the County Commissioners on Monday.
If you like what the county commissioners are doing for you and our county it might be a good day to show up at the meeting to show them your support. I really wanted to be at the last meeting but was in Wichita for a doctors appointment. I will try to make this one on Monday. I hope to see a few of you other people and to be able to say howdy to you. This could be a very interesting meeting.
I know Diane won't be able to be there to support her little hillbilly clan, sorry Diane.
Lobbying is a group of persons engaged in lobbying especially as representatives of a particular interest group. In this case isn't it the tiny self interest group known as Elk Konnected?
Is Elk Konnected finally showing their faces, by attending County Commissioners Meetings and publicizing in the newspaper? Sure isn't very many of them, is there?
Why isn't their Logo and name being used on their petition and newspaper articles?
Are they still trying to hide? I don't think they are doing a very good job of hiding, do you.
It was even in the minutes of the County Commissioners Meeting published in the newspaper this week that Dana Denton provided what I believe was a report for Elk Konnected to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners. That happened at the year end meeting on December 31, 2012.
That was nice of Elk Konnected to give a report on their previous two years activity, but why during the time an official meeting where the department heads are suppose to give their reports. Was it because our Youth Development Employee is incapable of doing her job?
Would you as a private citizen or any other organization or business be allowed to be disruptive of a business reporting period of the County Commissioners meeting. Hell no, it would not be allowed. You would be required to be placed on the agenda or wait for the open forum of the County Commissioners meeting. So why was it allowed for Elk Konnected and Dana Denton?
Now they, the few Konnected ones appear to be lobbying to re-instate for the Youth Develpement Position that they force on us in the first place, at great expense to our wallets through property taxes. And this employee couldn't even give a year end busyness' report to the county commissioners, why?
I was just told that this thread is being read far more than the newspaper, if that is true people must be interested, and talking about what is best for Elk County. I wish, I had the edumaction of a writer so I could make far more sense of what I see, hear and feel. But I don't! And that is why, I ask people not to take me serious, but to talk with your family, friends and neighbors. And I ask you to make your own decisions. I am a nobody, I am nst an elected official or on any ones steering committee and above all I am not a self proclaimed visionary, I am just a property owner which makes me a taxpayer in Elk County.
If you support Mr. Hebb and Mr. Ritz and their efforts to improve the Quality of Life in Elk County for everyone, let them know. This is the very first I have seen anything done for improving the Quality of Life in Elk County for everyone.
• They have paid off all of the County Debt's which is a very good thing because we no longer have to pay interest on those debt's with tax payer dollars.
• They have increased efforts to perform maintenance and repairs to county roads, which is a very good thing.
• They have implemented a reduction of your property taxes.
• They rescinded the blood sucking, I mean "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" program called "Neighborhood Revitalization Program", that would return property tax money to a few special people. I have refered to it as welfare to people that don't need it.
• They abolished the Youth Development position that provide very little for very few youth on a very sporadic basis. Which was very expensive to the taxpayer.
Aren't these things all in the best interest of all the people of Elk County instead focusing on what small group of people wants for themselves?
Isn't lobbying what this little group doing?
They got placed on the County Commissioners agenda and took an hour to plead their case and were told sorry but no.
Now they have a little petition they are taking to the County Commissioners on Monday, isn't that just more lobbying for their little group?
You decide for your self. Should our county be run by petition, by some small lobbying group?
Just my personal opinions stated here, no little groups involved, just me.
And as you know you are free to ignore me.
Perhaps, I'll see you at the County Commissioners meeting Monday? I am going to try to be there. Just like you, I do have thing arise the change my desires and wants. But I do want to be there..
So then, if I'm so terrible ,why do you keep talking to me?
Back when I first joined, I was treated so well I considered an investment opportunity out there. We had already sold the family place by then, as I didn't really want to be an absentee landlord on that large a scale. We had already rented out the property that hadn't been sold, you probably know to whom. As far as what I had hoped to do, why in the world would I tell you? That's a very personal question and very rude to ask! I promise you nobody is interested in hearing about it....except you, apparently. I do have investments here too, but I'll not share that either. I also won't be rude enough to pry into your life and ask about your investments or how you handle your money. Why would that be anybody's business?
It matters not to me if you believe me or not. There are those out there who do know I speak the truth, but there is no gain for me by asking anybody to stand up and prove it. I wouldn't want to cause trouble for them.
I think we need to start a petiton to get my job back with the road dept. layed off in 09 still waiting
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 07, 2013, 10:05:23 AM
So then, if I'm so terrible ,why do you keep talking to me?
I really don't know why? Perhaps to just fill up space on the thread. Or to practice my typing, You really have nothing to offer except your personal stuff. You fail to stay on topic. Oh, I guess I'm just stupid.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 07, 2013, 10:05:23 AM
Back when I first joined, I was treated so well I considered an investment opportunity out there. We had already sold the family place by then, as I didn't really want to be an absentee landlord on that large a scale. We had already rented out the property that hadn't been sold, you probably know to whom.
Really you were treated so well. That is extremely nice.
What happened?
Was it your obstinate attitude as far as Elk Konnected is concerned?
And posting your personal information and not liking the fact that people don't believe it and really don't care, is that it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 07, 2013, 10:05:23 AM
As far as what I had hoped to do, why in the world would I tell you? That's a very personal question and very rude to ask! I promise you nobody is interested in hearing about it....except you, apparently. I do have investments here too, but I'll not share that either. I also won't be rude enough to pry into your life and ask about your investments or how you handle your money. Why would that be anybody's business?
It matters not to me if you believe me or not. There are those out there who do know I speak the truth, but there is no gain for me by asking anybody to stand up and prove it. I wouldn't want to cause trouble for them.
You my dear started the conversation about your investments, not me.
I could care less about your personal life.
You might benefit by taking that to your Konnected friends on your FaceBook page.
They might care.
Now, about the present topic. Don't you think the new County Commissioner Board is doing a great and positive job for the "Quality of Life" for all the people of Elk County?,
I forgot you live way up there in Delaware, sorry about that.
Isn't that better than a little bitty Howard based organization who appears to only be interested in a few peoples desires and wants?
Isn't this why we have good men elected to our County Commissioners.
If you didn't see the voting numbers even Howard saw a need for change and they did the right thing. My hat is off to them in Howard that recognized serious change was needed.
So can we make this thread less about you and more about our Beautiful County?
Three cheers of Mr. Hebb and Mr. Ritz.
Hip, Hip Horray!
Hip, Hip Horray!
Hip, Hip Horray!
Quote from: oldfart on February 07, 2013, 10:54:55 AM
I think we need to start a petiton to get my job back with the road dept. layed off in 09 still waiting
Sorry to have to tell you.
But then again on the other hand I thankfully able to say so.
Lobbying and petitions of this nature don't have any legal standing, or anyway I have been told they don't.
Look at all the petitions the Federal Government gets.
And they just ignore them.
However, Elk County appears to be on the right track now.
;D ;D ;D ;D "up" there in Delaware? ;D ;D ;D ;D
Howard 37.47 north/96.26west Newark 39.41North/75.45 west That's really not very far north of you.
Did you happen to read the letter to the editor from our apparently konnected Appraiser?
It appears to be one of those positive konnected attitude attempts, but it comes across as undermining our County Commissioners.
It really doesn't matter how much it cost per property to pay for something that is useless, just because Elk Konnected, LLC suggested it to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to make the positions and the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted to make the position.
Don't ya get it, Elk Konnected, LLC no longer has the kontrolling votes.
If them folks and their positive company, positively want a Youth Development Employee, hire her. She already works for you in your (Board of Governors) Steering Committee and most likely in your Youth Development program.
What is the real problem?
Is it if she chooses to leave Elk County, because she no longer has a full time job?
And wouldn't that mean, you no longer have a Youth Development person with out having to pay her a salary?
But undermining our County Commissioners is just wrong in my opinion. Especially after the talk she gave me about how people in Elk County need to have a more positive attitude.
I do happen to like the lady and have always enjoyed visiting with her and as best I can tell she does an excellent job, which I appreciate.
Once again, this is just my personal opinion.
Here it is, I just checked Elk konnected, LLC's FaceBook page and look what I found.
Copied and pasted from that FaceBook Page with the link if you wish to check it out:
Elk Konnected's Youth Development Action Team hopes to create and provide fun activities for the youth in the area communities! Our committee consists of... *Bev Signer *Boyd Koehn *Kate Perkins *Michelle Moore *Alli Moore *Dana Denton *Nikki Hankins *Jennifer Montgomery
o Our committee would love to hear from the youth! If you have any activities in mind please email, elkkonnectedyouth@gmail.com. We would love to have your input.
o Lives in Howard, Kansas
https://www.facebook.com/#!/elk.konnected?fref=ts
They don't want to loose their employee/volunteer, now do they?
It appears they want the taxpayer to continue to pay her for their benefit, don't you see it that way?
Is it our responsibility to pay an employee, just so Elk Konnected can have a Youth Development volunteer?
I don't think so, do you? No rumor in this is there?
And if you notice they state on their FaceBook page that Elk Konnected, LLC lives in Howard, doesn't that just make it all about Howard?
Just asking.
A note from your local Elk County Terrorist: (jesting)
I am not immune, so here it is.
Rumor has it that during the last school board meeting I attended, the sheriff's office was called by one of the school board members and was asked to send over a deputy because they were concerned about a member of the audience. (Me)
Well about an hour into the meeting the deputy showed up and sat down about two seats over from me. I had no knowledge why he was there, He just sat there like gentleman. It didn't bother me a bit while I simply sat there and made notes, Nothing happened. Wow!
Well, I guess, I am now the county terrorist of the school board meetings. I'm told the rumor says the elite are that scared of me. Have fun with that people. It is good for a laugh.
Now, I don't believe for one minute, that they believe, I am a physical threat.
But, only because I take notes and I post on the local forum, which would be their only fear.
I do not believe the majority of the school board is involved in the rumor because I talk with a few of them from time to time and they are good people.
So, it appears an attempt, just to make me look bad by a few select people, I simply say good luck with that.
I did call and talk with our Sheriff about it. And he said not to worry about it, it is just a rumor. The local Sheriff and I are on very good speaking terms, I do believe. I also believe he knows me and he knows if I can ever be of help to him and his deputies all he needs do is call me. I am a law abiding citizen of Elk County.
I told him, I might be crazy, but I'm not insane. I also told him, I'm high, but not on drugs, I'm high on life. And we just had a good laugh.
So, I guess for the moment, I am being considered the Terrorist of Elk County by rumor from a few people. Bless their little pea picking hearts. Trying to build a platform for me, I guess. I don't really like platforms or pedestals because people tend to fall off of them. LOL
But really, people that know me personally, know, I am not a violent person.
Yes, I will defend my property and family just as you would and I won't let anyone verbally abuse me with out a verbal response. If that person can not handle it and decides to assault me, I naturally would have to defend my self, just as you would. I do not look for or want any kind of physical confrontation, just as you don't want it either.
I do enjoy life and I do laugh at myself, especially some of my errors learning to be a wanna-be retired farmer/rancher. I laugh with some of the best that laugh at my mistakes. Now If that is the blueprint of a terrorist, so be it.
Smearing me with rumors won't stop me from doing what I believe in.
I believe Elk County can do better and I do believe Elk County is on the right path despite a few special people that don't want to fit in. Sometimes the truth hurts that bad for some people.
I think, I'll take it all as a bad joke. LOL
Thank you,
Your Friendly
Elk County Terrorist-er-Taxpayer
Quote from: Ross on February 08, 2013, 01:03:19 PM
Smearing me with rumors won't stop me from doing what I believe in.
I believe Elk County can do better and I do believe Elk County is on the right path despite a few special people that don't want to fit in. Sometimes the truth hurts that bad for some people.
Sadly, such rumor mongering & intimidation tactics are the earmarks of elitists & liberals. Actually, I think it shows an inability or unwillingness to debate openly... probably because facts & truth are not on their side. The 21st century version of 'burn em out'.
Quote from: Patriot on February 08, 2013, 01:15:47 PM
Sadly, such rumor mongering & intimidation tactics are the earmarks of elitists & liberals. Actually, I think it shows an inability or unwillingness to debate openly... probably because facts & truth are not on their side. The 21st century version of 'burn em out'.
Wow, after all the rumor milling and fear-mongering put forth by Ross and Patriot here on the Forum and out amongst the public, for them to turn around and claim to be made victims by those they themselves have victimized.
It truly boggles the mind, the level of hypocrisy these two and their followers show.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 08, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
Wow, after all the rumor milling and fear-mongering put forth by Ross and Patriot here on the Forum and out amongst the public, for them to turn around and claim to be made victims by those they themselves have victimized.
It truly boggles the mind, the level of hypocrisy these two and their followers show.
Charles,
Is your memory selective, or just short?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 08, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
Wow, after all the rumor milling and fear-mongering put forth by Ross and Patriot here on the Forum and out amongst the public, for them to turn around and claim to be made victims by those they themselves have victimized.
It truly boggles the mind, the level of hypocrisy these two and their followers show.
Can you back any of that up?
Accusations without back up are just a
worthless tactic.
Is that yet another konnected way of dealing with the honest citizens of Elk County?
It's a shame you refer to honesty as hypocrisy, IMHO!
Sure, I just spread the rumor about myself.
Because I thought it important to get the truth out there.
Who will be next to be rumored about in such a fashion?
This was only an attempt at stopping such bullying.
'You followers just don't appear to appreciate honesty, do you?
You sir have earned my pity.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 08, 2013, 01:25:21 PM
Wow, after all the rumor milling and fear-mongering put forth by Ross and Patriot here on the Forum and out amongst the public, for them to turn around and claim to be made victims by those they themselves have victimized.
It truly boggles the mind, the level of hypocrisy these two and their followers show.
What the heck are you talking about?
I have no followers.
Isn't it Elk Konnected that has Followers.
Each post on this forum by others, other than the Konnected Followers is done by an individual, who happen to be taxpayers, voters and citizens of Elk County and
strictly their own opinions.
Today is the County Commissioners Meeting where the County Commissioners will be confronted once again by a few of the elite with a petition. Where will it end, they already did a verbal petition and were told no, didn't they. Why are these few people so recalcitrant?
A very few people continuing with an assault on your wallet as a property owner and taxpayer, to fulfill their own wants, utilizing a few children to do it, isn't that what this is?
Isn't this just another form of welfare so a few people can feel important and put a feather in their hat and make print in the newspaper?
Let's watch tomorrow's newspaper for possibly more put down of Elk County, what do you say? No, I ain't no visionary. I hope it doesn't happen, but it would make sense, even though it is not good for Elk County's image.
Do they actually believe our Elk County government should be run by petition?
Petitioning to reinstate the Youth Development position, for what cause?
Should we all be putting together petitions for our desires and confronting our elected County officials?
I can see it now:
We few people petition the Elk County Government to provide lollipops to each and every citizen on a daily basis.
We few people petition the Elk County Government to secede from Elk County.
We few people petition the Elk County petition the Elk County Government to hire a permanent Santa Clause.
We few people petition the Elk County Government to put in street signal lights on main streets of all communities, so we can resemble the big cities, sort of.
We few people petition the Elk County Government to put in an elevator to space. They do exist!
Where would the petitioning end?
Is this what we want to happen, petition, petition, petition?
And if that doesn't work, what next?
Lawsuits against our Elk County Government, which would be every property owner that pays property taxes?
Isn't this an assault on your wallet as a property owner and taxpayer?
Isn't this just another form of welfare, so a few people can feel important, and put a feather in their hat, and make print in the newspaper?
I sure would enjoy reading some feed back or other ideas of what you think, might be happening with this!
Do you agree or disagree with my opinions?
Let's talk about it! Let's discuss it!
I am going to be busy the rest of the day and may return later, this evening perhaps.
Maybe someone should try to clean up their own back yard before trying to cure all the ills of Elk county .
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Ross, it seems to me that you are accusing citizens of doing what you have spent all your time on this Forum, doing. Undermining our county commissioners. Or don't you remember what you have said about Commissioners Hendricks and Liebau?
Quote from: Wilma on February 11, 2013, 05:16:35 PM
Ross, it seems to me that you are accusing citizens of doing what you have spent all your time on this Forum, doing. Undermining our county commissioners. Or don't you remember what you have said about Commissioners Hendricks and Liebau?
Wilma, you are right on, I think Toss's day is coming. He has done a lot of damage to Elk county's image. I don't know anything about ElkKonnect and I have never been involved with it, but it seems to me it was/is good for Elk county.
From Webster's New World Dictionary:
"outsider n. one who is outside or not included; esp., one not a member of or in sympathy with a given group or organization."
I guess we can ascertain from the following, that Ross is the very definition of an outsider:
From http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14991.msg204509.html#msg204509
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No, ma'am I am not a member of any organizations!
Not even AARP!
And yet he wonders why so many treat him as an outsider.
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In case you haven't noticed, there is a decidedly downward trend (approaching zero) in the number of people that dare set foot in your sandbox anymore.
Charles,
Wondered where you went. Guess you missed it when I asked who you were referring to in your above post. Thanks in advance for answering .
Jar, I believe you are smart enough to know to whom I was referring.
Guess I aint as smart as you think Flint because I don't know. There were several people posting on that thread
Quote from: Wilma on February 11, 2013, 05:16:35 PM
Ross, it seems to me that you are accusing citizens of doing what you have spent all your time on this Forum, doing. Undermining our county commissioners. Or don't you remember what you have said about Commissioners Hendricks and Liebau?
Yes, I remember well. The name developed by their actions as County Commissioners and acting like cheerleaders for Elk Konnected at County Commissioners Meetings. I haven't forgot the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, and how they undermined themselves in my opinion.
Partly by a lack of ethics,
voting to give money to their own organization.
Which were they first,
as elected officials,
County Commissioners
or
Elk Konnected, LLC ?
You see I did not do it, they failed to draw a line, pretty simple isn't it? We still have one Konnected Kounty Kommissioner in office, but that does not give Elk Konnected the Kontrolling votes does it?
Ao I suggest you put the blame where the blame lies, if you want to play the blame game.
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 11, 2013, 05:32:56 PM
Wilma, you are right on, I think Toss's day is coming. He has done a lot of damage to Elk county's image. I don't know anything about ElkKonnect and I have never been involved with it, but it seems to me it was/is good for Elk county.
Boy is that some story!
Hardly believable,
because of all your posts on this thread.
Sorry my friend,
Im not buying it.
If you don't know anything about it,
how can you say it is good for Elk County?
Really, do you expect people to believe you?
What damage have I done to Elk County?
LOL
Quote from: flintauqua on February 11, 2013, 06:05:58 PM
From Webster's New World Dictionary:
"outsider n. one who is outside or not included; esp., one not a member of or in sympathy with a given group or organization."
I guess we can ascertain from the following, that Ross is the very definition of an outsider:
From http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14991.msg204509.html#msg204509
And yet he wonders why so many treat him as an outsider.
You are right flintauqua, I am an outsider to Elk Konnected, LLC.
In my opinion they tend to push people away with their, you gotta be positive the way we want you to be. Or is it be like minded the way we are? A very divisive move clear across Elk County.
But no one else treats me as an outsider!
So, you are not hurting my feelings, nice try though!
Does everyone have to belong to Elk Konnected, LLC when they don't even have a membership? Or are they suppose to be sheeple Followers?
I belong to the human race.
I belong to the group of property taxpayers/owners in Elk County.
I belong to the United States citizenship group of people.
I belong to the group of people that served during the Vietnam war.
But I don't belong to the group of people that are sheeple.
You keep thinking the way organized groups want you to think, that's fine with me.
I'll stick to thinking for myself, how about, we agree on these previous two lines.
I am so sorry the truth bothers you folks so much, that you feel the need to attempt to put me down or to attempt to smear my name with rumors, That is simply bullying on the adult level, I am truly sorry you do not comprehend your actions.
Carry on!
Quote from: jarhead on February 11, 2013, 06:16:16 PM
Re: Effort to abolish local sheriffs a stealth federal power grab?
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In case you haven't noticed, there is a decidedly downward trend (approaching zero) in the number of people that dare set foot in your sandbox anymore.
Charles,
Wondered where you went. Guess you missed it when I asked who you were referring to in your above post. Thanks in advance for answering .
Who cares!
That thread is dead as far as I'm concerned,
Diane wanted to make it all about her.
But did you notice the count on this thread?
Quote from: Ross on February 11, 2013, 07:10:37 PM
Who cares!
That thread is dead as far as I'm concerned,
Diane wanted to maKe it all about her.
But did you notice the count on this thread?
Can't have threads that aren't all about Ross, now can we?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 11, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
Can't have threads that aren't all about Ross, now can we?
Not as long as you keep making them about me, now can we?
Let's get back on subject, shall we?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
What are their real goals?
Got any answers?
"He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god."
Aristotle
Quote from: flintauqua on February 11, 2013, 08:00:32 PM
"He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god."
Aristotle
If that is aimed at me,
I hate to disapoint you,
but, I do just fine in society.
I just won't be a sheeple.
I just don't feel the need to belong to an organization that tells me how to think.
Been doing fine for 66 + years.
Now why don't you enlighten us about all you know about Elk Konnected?
Or don't they allow followers to know anything?
"It is a great mistake to think that the extremist is a better man than the moderate."
– Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
Quote from: flintauqua on February 11, 2013, 08:45:25 PM
"It is a great mistake to think that the extremist is a better man than the moderate."
– Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
I am so glad you finaly realized the being konnected is being an extremist.
Good job.
So what are their actual goals?
About the konnected petition read at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15000.0.html
Quote from: Ross on February 11, 2013, 09:24:10 PM
I am so glad you finaly realized the being konnected is being an extremist.
Got it backwards yet again. How predictable.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 11, 2013, 09:48:06 PM
Got it backwards yet again. How predictable.
Good grief Flint and Good Night.
Yesterdays attempt to persuade the County Commissioners to keep the Youth Development position failed miserably.
Even though the very small group of people showed up with a petition of supposedly 160 names- it failed. Yet, another failure by Elk Konnected, LLC.
Let's recall didn't they also fail two weeks ago, didn't they?
Is a lawsuit next? I don't think so! I think something else caught their attention, keep reading.
They were told there are plenty of youth development opportunities in Elk County for children:
• Boy Scouts
• Girl Scouts
• 6 School Districts
• 4-H
• Church Youth Groups
• ETC in case I missed a group.
They were also informed that some of those groups can be recipients of county money through an extension office. Boy did the questions fly about that money from the small group. I believe, I heard over the din of noise, the number $48,000 of county taxpayers money is provide each year to that fund. I wonder will their focus now shift that direction?
A lady in the audience asked how much money Elk Konnected, LLC has. Of course there was no answer. I politely informed the lady that Elk Konnected is a privately owned company and is not required to disclose that information.
I didn't get the chance to tell her but about a year back the Konnected Kounty Kommisioner at that time and self proclaimed founder posted on this thread an amount of
$85,000 if I remember correctly. You can go back and search for it if you so desire,
I asked why Elk Konnected why with all their positive talk of pulling everyone together why they don't work with all the other youth development groups. The response was we are and there are things going on you don't know about. But that is where the transparency ends. They in my opinion are either lying or are being put off because of attitude, I don't know which. You know that like mindedness thinking thing. I think that means think like us or you are wrong. Some attitude huh?
Their argument, of it's for the kids failed miserably.
Why do they insist on exploiting the children for their own purposes?
That is appalling to me. Isn't it really about money, greed and control?
Go back to page one of this thread and figure it out!
Why do I say that?
Because the conversation changed many times to the following subjects:
• Providing more hours of work for the Economic Development Position (which is part time)
• Repairing the roads in Howard and of course they mentioned a few other communities.
• Losing business in Howard and of course a couple of other communities were mentioned.
• And several other subjects.
Uh, what happened to Youth Development?
A complaint was leveled about the property tax reduction. It was said that the tax breaks goes to people that live outside of Elk County and own a lot of property here. And that takes money out of the county. Huh! Were they trying to indicate that property tax is a form of Economic Development? Wrong? It is not a form of Economic Development.
The property tax does not support the business, however the reduction in the tax remains in the taxpayers pockets and then the taxpayers that live here have more money left in their pocket to spend with the merchants if they so choose. This in turn improves the merchant's profits. It is about money and profits, isn't it?
Economic Development is really very simple. Bring in industry that provides good paying jobs for people and that brings money to the area. That also causes population Growth the area. But I have heard it time and time again since I have moved here. They don't want the riff-raff that comes with it. What riff-raff would that be? Would that be the people that would bring industry, the people with more money and more power than the money power that exist in Elk County now?
What happened to the Youth Development that the petition was about?
Went by the roadside didn't it?
Even after all that crying about the Youth Development position.
What a shame.
My, oh my, what's the world coming to?
Oh and the group talked about kids growing up and going to college and coming back to Elk County start businesses, that was rich. People really spoke up to that one.
But ask yourself how does that help today's situation of population decline?
And what happened? Rudy didn't show up to provide his support or at least I didn't see him there. I guess we will have to wait and see if someone reports the situation to him and how much they report. I think it may be very interesting reading.
Just my take on what took place.
Really what are Rl Konnected, LLC's real goals?
Check out how the Konnected Followers tried to set me up on a new thread here
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.0.html
Wow, I don't recall ever sugesting that Elk County citizens should stop shooting each other. I don't care one way or another.Talk about jumping subjects! What happened at the court house was a very sad event.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2013, 09:32:37 AM
Wow, I don't recall ever sugesting that Elk County citizens should stop shooting each other. I don't care one way or another.Talk about jumping subjects! What happened at the court house was a very sad event.
Yes Diane it was a very sad event.
I watched it first hand.
To try to run the County Government by petition, sad!
To not stick to the subject of the petition, very sad.
For eyeballs to light at the possibility of finding money else where, even sadder.
Sad that it was all about greed on their part.
I'm thankful you pointed out the sad point.
You were in Wilmington yesterday? Why didn't you call me? :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2013, 09:45:16 AM
You were in Wilmington yesterday? Why didn't you call me? :angel:
Are you really that ill?
Should we call a doctor or anbulance for you?
Did you acquire thtat illness as a Follower?
I sure hope it isn't contagious, cause that could be real bad.
Contagious via the internet,
But I'm okay, I have virus protection and a firewall.
And even more protection.
Oh, Ross, I was just pokin' ya. Lighten up! You said you watched our Wilmington Court house incident " first hand," so you must have been there! ;)
Uh, he never said anything about Wilmington. ::)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 12, 2013, 10:08:50 AM
Uh, he never said anything about Wilmington. ::)
Thanks Bullwinkle,
She is hopeless.
She doesn't comprehend this thread is about Elk County, I guess.
She could get help with that problem.
Ok,I'll bite. If Ross wasn't talking about the seeing the Wilmington court house shooting yesterday ,what was he saying he saw 'first hand?" If I was wrong and I misunderstood, I'm very sorry.
Yes, it was off thread, but Jar brought it up, not me. See post 5229... Now I ask you ,who was off subject? That came out of nowhere. Now read 5250,written as a reply by Ross.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 12, 2013, 11:07:28 AM
Ok,I'll bite. If Ross wasn't talking about the seeing the Wilmington court house shooting yesterday ,what was he saying he saw 'first hand?" If I was wrong and I misunderstood, I'm very sorry.
Yes, it was off thread, but Jar brought it up, not me. See post 5229... Now I ask you ,who was off subject? That came out of nowhere. Now read 5250,written as a reply by Ross.
Do you lack comprehension or are you faking it, to make the threads all about you?
He was saying you should pay attention to your problems in your own back yard in Delaware following your remarks about Elk County business. I did not hear any thing representing pity. It was rather simple.
Elk county Court House is in Elk County Kansas and your court house is in Wilmington, Delaware, Get it?
Here was the important line he posted:
Quote from: jarhead on February 11, 2013, 04:18:48 PM
Maybe someone should try to clean up their own back yard before trying to cure all the ills of Elk county .
Is that clear enough? Start a Wilmington, Delaware thread if you think some one is interested here in Kansas.
Why don't you take a minute or two, no more than that please and tell all you know about Elk konnected, LLC?
This is in response to several statements from Ross in post #5247.
Alumni engagement and attraction is a segment of Economic Gardening. Economic Gardening and Youth Development are both parts of the Entrepreneurship segment of Community Economic Development.
Elk County will never have enough, and/or the right kind, of several forms of capital to go chasing smokestacks, ie Industrial Development. It does have the resources and amenities within many different forms of capital neccessary to persue a Community Economic Development course of action.
One based on a focus on the creative class through Entrepreneuership Development, Small Business Creation and Retention, Tourism Development, and Youth Development.
Charles
Dream on.
None of that will bring any jobs to Elk County today, that could possibly increase population, by any decent amount of people to do much good economically.
Youth Development is far more than lollipops and hoolahoops.
And Elk County has plenty of youth development through the organizations all ready discussed.
And if you are going to rely on Child Development for growth, my guess is very few will return because there is no work, and if you are depending on them for population growth good luck with that, twenty years from now.
For economic growth now, you need something that brings more outside money into the county
now.
Relying on a very few people, for instance like me, who has brought money from outside this economy won't do it either.
Not enough people like me that move here in retirement to effect a great difference. I did work very hard for many years to earn my retirement and now it is being used to help Elk County, but it just isn't enough. And if you had another hundred like me . it still wouldn't be enough.
What was the county population thirty years ago, something like 10,000.
And the merchants were all getting wealthy, right.
Isn't that economic development?
So, it sounds like to me that your plans would be to wait twenty years and see what happens.
Therefore there really is no need for an economic employee is there.
How many restraunts and gas stations and beauticians and barbers and hardware stores and fitness centers and beer joints and grocery stores can survive with the present population or even if you were to add a hundred more.
Why are people leaving Elk County, have you figured that out?
Is it because there are no real jobs here and the cost to travel to and from work is getting more expensive?
By the way what is the chamber of commerce doing for economic development?
They are the merchants and work for the merchants right?
What is their business plan to boost profits for the merchants?
Isn't that the main reason for economic development to increase merchants profits?
It looks to me that the non-konnected County Commissioners have done far more for the County as far as Quality of Life then anything done in a very long time.
But now how about telling about Elk Konnected and their followers plans for improving the Quality of Life in Elk County?
I know you can not answer that and will therefore ignore the question of give excuses.
You see we can not get a straight answer about Elk Konnected and haven't been able to for almost two years.
They talk the talk but don't walk the walk, right?
Sorry, the truth sometimes hurts.
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 09:22:27 AM
Check out how the Konnected Followers tried to set me up on a new thread here
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.0.html
Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected or anybody in that organization or company or whatever you want to call it. That thread was started by me for my knowledge to see if what I was told was correct or incorrect.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected or anybody in that organization or company or whatever you want to call it. That thread was started by me for my knowledge to see if what I was told was correct or incorrect.
Who else would be able or willing to provide you with information of my activities, or my sons activities.
Or a personal message from mr to Jennifer?
And why would you try to set me up the day before Konnected goes to the county commissioners?
Try again?
Thank you.
There are two components to a net increase or decrease in population.
One is net migration. More people moving out than moving in, results in a negative net migration. This is a cause of Elk County's declining population, but not as much as you might think.
The other component of population increase or decrease is natural growth or decline. That is death rates and birth rates. How many Elk County citizens leave the realm of the living in a given year? How many new souls are welcomed into the county by birth?
This natural decline has accounted for 60 to 80 percent of the population decrease in each of the past several decades.
And, refuting yet another massive exageration by Ross, the population of Elk County has not surpassed 10,000 since 1910. Forty years ago, there were only 3858 people residing in Elk County. The county has lost one fourth of that number over the past four decades, or six-tenths of a percent per year.
While this is not good, it's certainly not a loss of over 7,000 in the past thirty years or so as Ross would have you believe.
Flint:
I don't have the numbers in front of me (too busy to google), but I was wondering what the average age was in Elk county? I would bet a nickel that the toll on the elderly of the death numbers out weigh the births. That is what is happening in most of the small towns...
Also, most that have lived there a number of years, are already working at the same job, and would not chance to switch jobs if a new business came in.
Death of a town by attrition. Just an observation.
ready
Ready,
Median age is 48.8.
Number of people 65 or older exceeds number under 20 by 38.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
There are two components to a net increase or decrease in population.
One is net migration. More people moving out than moving in, results in a negative net migration. This is a cause of Elk County's declining population, but not as much as you might think.
The other component of population increase or decrease is natural growth or decline. That is death rates and birth rates. How many Elk County citizens leave the realm of the living in a given year? How many new souls are welcomed into the county by birth?
This natural decline has accounted for 60 to 80 percent of the population decrease in each of the past several decades.
And, refuting yet another massive exageration by Ross, the population of Elk County has not surpassed 10,000 since 1910. Forty years ago, there were only 3858 people residing in Elk County. The county has lost one fourth of that number over the past four decades, or six-tenths of a percent per year.
While this is not good, it's certainly not a loss of over 7,000 in the past thirty years or so as Ross would have you believe.
Great Post Charlie, Ross has posted a lot of inaccuracies.
Thanks, Flint.
ready
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 05:22:12 PM
Who else would be able or willing to provide you with information of my activities, or my sons activities.
Or a personal message from mr to Jennifer?
And why would you try to set me up the day before Konnected goes to the county commissioners?
Try again?
Thank you.
Naw, you are still wrong. LOL Keep being paranoid.
If you are going to bring the story over here from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.msg204604.html#msg204604
Janet let's have the whole story, okay?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 10, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
This is to Ross.
Have you not seen any positive things come from this youth development program? Any at all?
And I responded:
Quote from: Ross on February 11, 2013, 03:46:13 PM
I have been exceptionally busy with personal business.
Besides, I had not noticed this thread.
I do believe Janet that i have covered your question quit extensively on the following thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?
And you responded:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Here is what I was looking for.
They abolished the Youth Development position that provide very little for very few youth on a very sporadic basis. Which was very expensive to the taxpayer. This came from your post on the Elk County Handout page which I can take as reporting to us (the people), that the abolishment of the Youth Development was for the good of us (the people).
Now, my question to you, Ross, is this...wasn't your son one of those very few youth that benefited from programs associated with the youth development? Did your son receive any positive benefit by going to Lawrence for the camp thing that was sponsored by the youth development and grant money? If I am mistaken about your child being a receipient of this camp (I think it was an art thing, I'm not sure), then I apologize for my intel being incorrect.
Didn't you write a positive letter to Jennifer Montgomery about this camp?
Just asking.
And I responded:
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 09:19:29 AM
Just asking, my ass.
I figured you were trying to set me up, that is why I responded the way I did.
Nice try.
And I do not appologize for my earlier responses.
So you are in contact with Elk Konnected, nice.
Yes, my son did go!
Yes, I thanked Jennifer for her efforts taking care of the kids.
Yes, I believe her and her mother and someone else got a free trip as fancy babysitters to escort the kids.
Did Elk County Youth Development do anything to acquire this trip?
NO!
It was donated and set up by the windfarm owners.
The privately owned Elk Konnected, LLC could have just as easily accepted the task, if they were really out there for the benefit of the kids.
You are welcome to return to the Elk Konnected Hand Out Thread.
Just as a reminder it is at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.5240.html
And I further responded:
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 09:24:38 AM
I forgot to say thank you Janet.
THANK YOU.
And you responded:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 04:43:14 PM
I get so tired of reading that garbage.
Anyway, thank you for being honest that your son did benefit from this trip even if the windfarm people were the sponsors. I understand he is a very outstanding young man.
Why read if you think it is garbage?
I suppose you might read Hustler or some other filth and then say, "I get so tired of reading that garbage."
Yea, my son is a very polite young man and I am terribly proud of him.
I love him with all my heart.
Then you come over here with:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 06:43:36 PM
Naw, you are still wrong. LOL Keep being paranoid.
I'm sorry you only brought your ugly remark over here?
Why else would you call me paranoid except that I accurately pointed out that you were trying to set me up. It failed didn't it, all the way around, even with your remarks about the trip.
Nothing at all paranoid about that Now is there?
Is that yet another Konnected Follower way? I believe it is.
I suppose you don't like the truth and didn't want people who may not read the other thread to know the whole story and the truth.
Sorry but here is the whole story.
Now I have to address Flints attempt at smearing me.
You know the konnected followers way of doing things.
Give me a couple of minutes, I got something to do first
Hey Ross, before you respond to me, you might try fixing your last post. Need to un-purple your new comments towards the bottom. Wouldn't want anyone to get confused.
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 07:45:49 PM
If you are going to bring the story over here from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.msg204604.html#msg204604
Janet let's have the whole story, okay?
And I responded:
And I responded:
And I further responded:
And you responded:
Why read if you think it is garbage?
I suppose you might read Hustler or some other filth and then say, "I get so tired of reading that garbage."
Yea, my son is a very polite young man and I am terribly proud of him.
I love him with all my heart.
Then you come over here with:
I'm sorry you only brought your ugly remark over here?
Why else would you call me paranoid except that I accurately pointed out that you were trying to set me up. It failed didn't it, all the way around, even with your remarks about the trip.
Nothing at all paranoid about that Now is there?
Is that yet another Konnected Follower way? I believe it is.
I suppose you don't like the truth and didn't want people who may not read the other thread to know the whole story and the truth.
Sorry but here is the whole story.
Now I have to address Flints attempt at smearing me.
You know the konnected followers way of doing things.
Give me a couple of minutes, I got something to do first
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
And, refuting yet another massive exageration by Ross, the population of Elk County has not surpassed 10,000 since 1910.
I asked a question and you failed to answer it, when asked, why?
And now you're twistngi it into an exaggerated fact, the Elk Konnected way twist and turn, right?
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 03:48:21 PM
What was the county population thirty years ago, something like 10,000.
So I missed the
"?" Question Mark.
A simple typographical error. It is still worded as a question isn't it?But you try to twist it into a statement of fact, and accuse me of ,
"yet another massive exaggeration". Sorry that Bull Shit don't fly.Keep trying and I will keep pointing about your deliberate errors, okay?
You konnected Followers are beginning to be the
Ninth Wonder of the World in Elk County, with your twisting and turning. That should make you real proud of yourselves.
Ross, the vast majority of your "questions" are statements. Just because you do or do not put a question mark at the end, doesn't mean you get to disassociate yourself with those statements.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 07:57:32 PM
Hey Ross, before you respond to me, you might try fixing your last post. Need to un-purple your new comments towards the bottom. Wouldn't want anyone to get confused.
Thanks Flint.
I fixed it.
Another typographical errr.
I sure ain't no secretary. LOL
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 08:07:46 PM
I asked a question and you failed to answer it, when asked, why?
And now you're twistngi it into an exaggerated fact, the Elk Konnected way twist and turn, right?
Ross, you are the one that said the population thirty years ago was 10,000. Not me.
And I did answer your question.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 08:13:24 PM
Ross, the vast majority of your "questions" are statements. Just because you do or do not put a question mark at the end, doesn't mean you get to disassociate yourself with those statements.
There is that twisting magic again.
A question is a statement and a statement is a question, good job.
Is that in the english books?
Really great maneuver.
I gotta write that one down in my book so I don't forget it. Thanks.
Oops, I don't have a book for trickery, I guess I'll hust forget it.
Ain't this just so much fun.
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 08:27:14 PM
There is that twisting magic again.
A question is a statement and a statement is a question, good job.
Is that in the english books?
Really great maneuver.
I gotta write that one down in my book so I don't forget it. Thanks.
Oops, I don't have a book for trickery, I guess I'll hust forget it.
Ain't this just so much fun.
Ross, you are the one who utilizies trickery and maneuvers to twist things into what they are not.
I did not state that "A question is a statement and a statement is a question."
What I did say is "Ross, the vast majority of your "questions" are statements".
Why are you always so quick to put words in other peoples mouths that they did not say?
Hey Ross,
Is this a question or a statement of opinion?
"Is (blank) an idiot, a moron, or both?"
Quote from flintauqua;
And I did answer your question.
That aint fair Charles. You answer Ross's questions but never have answered the one I have asked several times---you know---- about the sand box. ;)
Quote from: jarhead on February 12, 2013, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from flintauqua;
And I did answer your question.
That aint fair Charles. You answer Ross's questions but never have answered the one I have asked several times---you know---- about the sand box. ;)
And I responded to you privately, and that is the last you're getting from me on the subject.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 08:34:40 PM
Ross, you are the one who utilizies trickery and maneuvers to twist things into what they are not.
I did not state that "A question is a statement and a statement is a question."
What I did say is "Ross, the vast majority of your "questions" are statements".
Why are you always so quick to put words in other peoples mouths that they did not say?
Well if a question is a statement, it only stands to reason that a statement must be a question.
That simply gollows your logic of a question being a statement.
Simple, huh? Is that a Question or Statement, we will never know, will we?
Just like we will never know what Elk Konnected, LLC really is will we?
Are they really a business that produces anything, besides failures?
Or are they just, "The Old Guard" in a new dress?
What are they Flint?
Betch don't answer those last two questions!
<-Statement.
Good night all.
Quote from: jarhead on February 12, 2013, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from flintauqua;
And I did answer your question.
That aint fair Charles. You answer Ross's questions but never have answered the one I have asked several times---you know---- about the sand box. ;)
One more before signing off.
Tell us about the sandbox Flint, pretty please.
I like sandbox stories.
But first tell us about Elk konnected, LLC all you know about it?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 05:23:02 PM
And, refuting yet another massive exageration by Ross, the population of Elk County has not surpassed 10,000 since 1910. Forty years ago, there were only 3858 people residing in Elk County. The county has lost one fourth of that number over the past four decades, or six-tenths of a percent per year.
However, as I recall the 2010 Census showed the rate of decrease had accelerated to 1.6222% per year between 2000 to 2010. More than twice the 40 year average.
If trends mean anything, we should at least be able to agree on the obvious... our population has been in consistent
decline for decades. And that reality doesn't bode well for the county at large.
Quote from: Patriot on February 12, 2013, 09:31:42 PM
However, as I recall the 2010 Census showed the rate of decrease had accelerated to 1.6222% per year between 2000 to 2010. More than twice the 40 year average.
If trends mean anything, we should at least be able to agree on the obvious... our population has been in consistent decline for decades. And that reality doesn't bode well for the county at large.
Pat, I agree completely with your above statements.
Something has to be done at the local level to stimulate growth. A reasonable tax rate is but one of many things that can and should be utilized to stimulate growth.
However, there should be a blend of actions and programs used. Viewing the Youth Development and Economic Development function as simply an expense, rather than an instrument for gowth, is not indicative of a balanced approach.
This is not the time to retreat, it is time to build upon what has been done and implement with renewed vigor an aggressive, balanced, and progressive campaign for economic development.
If not, there won't be an Elk County around to even count the population of in the near future. The state will just merge the area in with neighboring counties.
Ross, to answer your question, yes, questions can really be statements and statements can be questions. Yes ,they can can be found in more advanced English books.
example The question. Do I really need a flu shot? What is really being said is, "I don't want to get a flu shot unless I really have to.''
The other one....The statement Hi, 'I hear you are new to Moline",is really the question, ''Where are you from?" The person might answer, "Yes, we just moved here from Howard.''
Indirect speech is very common and is often learned in writing classes . Of course that can lead to the lesson on the difference between implied and inferred. ;) Sorry I was late in getting this posted. Bye bye.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 12, 2013, 09:49:07 PM
Pat, I agree completely with your above statements.
Something has to be done at the local level to stimulate growth. A reasonable tax rate is but one of many things that can and should be utilized to stimulate growth.
However, there should be a blend of actions and programs used. Viewing the Youth Development and Economic Development function as simply an expense, rather than an instrument for gowth, is not indicative of a balanced approach.
This is not the time to retreat, it is time to build upon what has been done and implement with renewed vigor an aggressive, balanced, and progressive campaign for economic development.
If not, there won't be an Elk County around to even count the population of in the near future. The state will just merge the area in with neighboring counties.
Sit down... I agree with 100% of what you've said!
In careful analysis of local realities, however, our Youth Development Program has consisted not of development primarily, but mostly of time consuming entertainment activities... movies after school, joy rides at community events and such... not character/skill building endeavors. As such, it has been a simple expense.
Notice I've not assigned that same status to the economic development function, though the effort in that arena has been, IMO, haphazard and lacking professionalism in some instances.
Perhaps with the common basis you've offered, there is hope for real, positive change.
Nothing special in today's newspaper about them Elk Konnected folks.
Or the County Commissioners Meeting and the Youth Development petition.
That must have been considered a nothing thing, didn't even make the paper.
Inside the front page there are the Editorial and a story about Chautauqua County dropping the Prairie Star as the county's official paper.
They went to the Winfield paper as their official county paper.
I wonder why?
Could it be the papers attitude?
Could it be because of negative reporting?
What might happen if Elk County Commissioners were to do the same thing due to his Konnected bias reporting?
I believe the man is beginning to worry about his subscription base, me thinks, that's his bottom line, his profits isn't it?
He was busy telling Chautauqua people they would be out of the loop, Really?
Whose loop?
Actually his loop, right?
All they gotta do is switch to the Winfield paper.
Competition is hell isn't it?
Maybe those Chautauqua people don't care about what goes on in Elk County and don't need to read about it in his newspaper.
The editorial had a different tone then last week's paper, where I felt he was putting down the County Commissioners of both counties.
But, I also read in that editorial about positive-minded people facing opposition. Huh?
Are there super humans that have only positive minds?
If I say the sky is blue will them positive-minded people be positive-minded and not disagree negatively?
Or is positive-minded people are positive they are going to get their own way until they find out other wise?
Positive-minded is a science fiction term IMO.
A politically devised term to fool sheeple, IMO.
I didn't see any positive-minded people at the county commissioners meeting about the Youth Development petition.
I saw a lot of attitude on both of the fence. Mine too!
When a lady at the meeting asked how much money Elk Konnected had,
there was no positive-minded answer, just silence.
Go figure.
I had a very busy day today and an even busier day coming tomorrow.
So I may not be able to respond to any of your put downs right away.
But I will do my best to get back to you, maybe!
Good night folks.
everyone talks about growth,you can't move here if there is no where to live.If a person wants land around here they have to be able to buy big acreage or live in the outrages over taxed towns.The only thing to change that is land developers and i've seen what that does other places...didn't like it moved here for the lifestyle and i like it.Everyone have a beautiful day and God bless....even Diane
Quote from: upoladeb on February 14, 2013, 07:31:00 AM
everyone talks about growth,you can't move here if there is no where to live.If a person wants land around here they have to be able to buy big acreage or live in the outrages over taxed towns.The only thing to change that is land developers and i've seen what that does other places...didn't like it moved here for the lifestyle and i like it.Everyone have a beautiful day and God bless....even Diane
I agree with what you say upoladeb.
I think what the uproar is really about now is simply panic and desperation by the merchants, that finally realize that the declining population is having an adverse effect on their profits. And they want to use taxpayer's money to try to correct the decline.
But the other ways they have gone about it is no better.
Secrecy and trickery was never anything anyone ever appreciated and it usually fails.
I think it would behoove some of those people to reexamine their thinking, or they may lose a lot of customers they have today. I sure wouldn't like to see that happen. However, if people conceive they are being used and tricked that is exactly what they will do. I personally try to keep my spending in the county partly because I don't like driving to Independence or Winfield or further out even. But, of course not everything is available in Elk County.
You have a great day, I'm working towards that goal, So far so good.
Yes sir, that's a good post. Ross, do you suppose the Elk County merchants understand?
Or will they keep pushing for their 'progressive community'?
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 14, 2013, 06:46:58 PM
Yes sir, that's a good post. Ross, do you suppose the Elk County merchants understand?
Or will they keep pushing for their 'progressive community'?
I can't really say what they will do next. I won't even venture a guess.
But as I said about the County Commissioners meeting about the Konnected:
Quote from: Ross on February 12, 2013, 09:04:58 AM
They were also informed that some of those groups can be recipients of county money through an extension office. Boy did the questions fly about that money from the small group. I believe, I heard over the din of noise, the number $48,000 of county taxpayers money is provide each year to that fund. I wonder will their focus now shift that direction?
And then it appeared to me that the Youth Development issue was no longer near as important as it was when they first started. That is just my take on what happened.
But, I think we still have some of that Konnected attitude of spend, spend going on at the West Elk School Board Meetings. And I have posted some of that information. I couldn't make it to the most recent meeting. But the one before that I attended seemed to generate a rumor about me. Which, I posted on here.
That was the meeting where it seemed that the board had started negotiations with the
Church of God which is the new church building just north of the West Elk School grounds. I think the goal is possibly to lease the
church as a second gymnasium. Another item suggested was for the school to help build a sidewalk between the school and church so the kids could walk over to the church. And the church said they might run a day care for the children after school, and promised to preaching to the children.
But I think it's a shame the school district does not provide the voters and taxpayers with a decent set of minutes that shows the conversations they have. To me, it resembles keeping secrets from the public.
Using COG instead of Church of God is a form of deception in my opinion.
I mean, if you were to enter the church for the first time would they greet you by saying welcome ro COG or would they welcome say welcome to the Church of God?
So, I ask why does the school board use COG?
Don't give me that crap of saving ink or saving paper or Convenience, that just wouldn't fly with me.
What is really going on?
Is it a Konnected thing?
Why doesn't the school board provide the public with public information in the minutes as to what is going on?
Is it because they don't think we need to know?
Perhaps some of the better board members can straighten that out.
And get the information disseminated to the public. After all they are not a private company which is not required to disseminate information.
I think, I may discuss this form of secrecy with the State School board.
It is just a phone call or an e-mail away.
Citizens and taxpayers have rights and I would think being able to read more than just an outline and also be able to see the attachments to the minutes, to review what they are talking about. This could be easily accomplished.
Personally, I think it is high time for some transparency within the West Elk governing procedures.
Just my opinion, ignore them if you so desire.
In fact it might be a good idea to ignore my opinions.
And I won't be offended if you do.
Quote from: Ross on February 14, 2013, 08:03:59 PM
Is it a Konnected thing?
No, it's not anything to do with Elk Konnected. When the Assembly of God church first proposed building on highway, they talked with the school board about building and using a gymnasium. This was discussed several years ago, even before the discussions about closing the Moline and Severy schools. A need for a second gym was seen back then.
Using the Assemblies building for sports activities is old news.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
No, it's not anything to do with Elk Konnected.
Oh, how's that?
Today we have Elk Konnected on the school board, don't we?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
When the Assembly of God church first proposed building on highway, they talked with the school board about building and using a gymnasium.
Is there any documentation of that?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
This was discussed several years ago, even before the discussions about closing the Moline and Severy schools. A need for a second gym was seen back then.
By visionaries I suppose? Would that by chance be Elk Konnected visionaries?
I just couldn't help myself. Sorry!
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Using the Assemblies building for sports activities is old news.
At the meeting, I attended it was recently discussed as new news.
Even the talk by the church people that night sound very new as if nobody knew what to expect. Discussions were about what appeared to be new concepts.
Because the Church of God building next to the school did not exists years ago.
Today it does exist.
Are you suggesting that the church was planning to build their new church based on doing business with the school district?
That's what it sounds like to me.
Are you a member of the Church of God and can speak on their behalf?
I'd sure like more information as I am sure everyone reading this would too!
More information might be beneficial to everyone.
Thanks.
Today is now.
Ross -
Building the Assemblies of God church next to the school was discussed in school board meetings several years ago; I was attending the monthly meetings then.
Part of that discussion involved using the buildings as a second gym. To my recollection, no firm agreement was made, since the building was only in planning stages, but it was considered a win-win situation.
Whether or not it's in the minutes from those meetings, I couldn't say. I didn't always read the minutes since I had been at the meetings and knew first-hand what was discussed. Those meetings occurred several years before Elk Konnected came to Elk County.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
No, it's not anything to do with Elk Konnected.
From a letter the Elk Konnected self proclaimed founder wrote:
"In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
How long had our then County Commissioner Hendricks been an employee at Public Squares Communities, and planning to bring Public Squares Communities here to Elk County?
So by those numbers and time frame Elk Konnected was probably in the planning stage sometime in 2006 and came about in 2007, right?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
When the Assembly of God church first proposed building on highway, they talked with the school board about building and using a gymnasium. This was discussed several years ago, even before the discussions about closing the Moline and Severy schools. A need for a second gym was seen back then.
Posted on this forum
West Elk board proposes to close Severy and Moline schools
« on: December 15, 2009, 08:49:18 am »
By Rudy Taylor http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,8968.0.html
Elk Konnected was around at least two years before the School Closing and as I recollect they held meetings about closing the schools. So for Elk Konnected to not be involved in those discussions most likely the discussions had to take place before 2007.
Now, why would anyone be thinking the West Elk School district would be needing another gymnasium before 2007 or even before December 2009?
When the school district had a gymnasium for the high school and only for the high school students and a gymnasium of sorts for the Moline Grade School and I'm not sure, but I assume a gymnasium of sorts at Severy. I just don't understand the why. Why would the Church of God would be thinking a gymnasium would be a consideration of the school District way back before Elk Konnected came about or way before any discussion of closing schools? Please explain?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 14, 2013, 08:50:11 PM
Using the Assemblies building for sports activities is old news.
So, really it can't be old news, now can it?
And by the way I need to ask, isn't Elk Konnected made up of, what is commonly referred to as the elite? Which is simply a few merchants and a banker and a newspaper owner and wouldn't some of these people, if not all be involved in the situation, because they refer to themselves as leaders of the community?
Ma'am please, are you a member of the Church of God or Elk Konnected?
Ross -
It was discussed even before then!
We've definitely needed an additional gym. For years, the wrestlers have used the cafeteria for practice. That's okay, except when there are dinners and meetings that also use the cafeteria. They take precedence and the wrestlers have either a shortened practice or no practice.
Scheduling basketball practices has always been difficult. Girls and boys can't practice at the same time in the gym, nor can junior and senior high practice at the same time. Practices have sometimes been scheduled in the evening. The Severy gym was used for practice.
Given that information, I'm aware that you probably still won't believe me. That's your choice. Not sure why I have to be a member of the Assemblies or Elk Konnected to have information that came from school board meetings.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 07:38:04 AM
Ross -
It was discussed even before then!
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 07:38:04 AM
We've definitely needed an additional gym. For years, the wrestlers have used the cafeteria for practice. That's okay, except when there are dinners and meetings that also use the cafeteria. They take precedence and the wrestlers have either a shortened practice or no practice.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 07:38:04 AM
Scheduling basketball practices has always been difficult. Girls and boys can't practice at the same time in the gym, nor can junior and senior high practice at the same time. Practices have sometimes been scheduled in the evening. The Severy gym was used for practice.
And all work well. We often have to adapt to our situations. Throwing more and more money at sports does not help with the initial reason for schools. It also does not bring the education level of the district to a Blue Ribbon School, being a Blue Ribbon School would bring state wide recognition of the excellence of it's education of all it's children. Which do you think would be more valuable to Elk County as a whole? Sports of Education?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 07:38:04 AM
Given that information, I'm aware that you probably still won't believe me. That's your choice. Not sure why I have to be a member of the Assemblies or Elk Konnected to have information that came from school board meetings.
No one suggested you had to be a member of anything. I only asked if you are a member of ElK Konnected or the Church of God.
If you are a member of the Church we could better understand more of what you tell us.
So, are you a member of the Church?
Are you a member of Elk Konnected?
Now to get it correct, I need to ask, because I am confused.
The school district refers to the church as COG, which I take to mean Church of God.
You refer to the church as the Assemblies, which I take to mean the Assembly of God Church.
Which is it or what do the two different names mean?
I truly am confused.
Does the church go by the two different names?
And I am wondering why the church would be interested years ago, in discussions with the school board about gymnasiums, was it because, if they lease to the school they could then better afford to build such an expensive building/church?
Was that money a factor in building the church?
I am just trying to get the whole picture, after all if the church is dealing with our publicly owned school district the taxpayers should be made fully aware of all negations and circumstances, openly and honestly, don't you agree?
Knowledge and understanding by the tax paying public that will be providing money to the church as lease money is their business and shouldn't be left out of the loop, again don't you agree?
Openness and honesty simply avoids scandals like the Catholic Church have and are facing.
We wouldn't want anything like that here in Elk County would we?
Or even any chance of suggesting it either would we?
Ross -
Everything has been open and honest, except in your opinions.
My information has been obtained at school board meetings I attended.
The Assemblies of God church is being built as they have the funds. That's why it's taking as long as it is. If they have money, they build and/or work on it. If there's no money, then they don't work on it. There have been volunteers from other churches across the United States that have come and helped work on the church, but it's a pay-as-you-go project.
That's also been discussed in public and reported in the newspapers in the area.
There's no sinister plot to any of this.
Ross,
Get a grip. This is the Flint Hills Assembly of God. It has NEVER been the Church of God. It has always been FLINT HILLS ASSEMBLY OF GOD. This church has never gone by any other name. I have no idea where you came up with that.
Chautauqua County did not go to the Winfield paper for their official paper.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
Ross -
Everything has been open and honest, except in your opinions.
My information has been obtained at school board meetings I attended.
Really? It sounds in the next paragraph you also know church information that has nothing to do with the school board. Which is just fine. I mean the churches financial concerns outside of dealing with the school district is of no concern to me or any other tax payer. However, any one involved in dealing with the school district or money's that may ve paid to the church by the school district is considered public information and should be fully disclosed to the public via the school board. After all it is our money, the taxpayers money! Entrusted to the school board.
I had not heard of anything about this situation until recently and have only asked a few simple questions. And when you suggested that talks have been going on with the school board as far back before Elk Konnected (early 2007) of course that would raise questions? That was before the school district closed the grade schools and before the grade school was re-located to West Elk.
That was way before even the ground breaking for the church. What is that seven (7) years to ground breaking?
I am so sorry you take offense at a few honest questions?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
The Assemblies of God church is being built as they have the funds. That's why it's taking as long as it is. If they have money, they build and/or work on it. If there's no money, then they don't work on it. There have been volunteers from other churches across the United States that have come and helped work on the church, but it's a pay-as-you-go project.
I am truly happy for the church to be able to build such an impressive building, don't take me wrong. And their finances to do so are of no concern to me. Just as the church in Moline that burnt to the ground, I am equally happy for them being able to rebuild. And their finances to do so are of no interest to me either.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
That's also been discussed in public and reported in the newspapers in the area.
If that is information about rebuilding the church, that is not what is being discussed here.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
There's no sinister plot to any of this.
And no one is suggesting anything sinister.
But when the school board is involved spending taxpayers dollars anything that takes place is public information and should be disclosed open and honestly.
For instance are any of the school board members, members of the church or have other connections with the church?
If they are or do, will they recuse themselves as unqualified to perform legal duties of school board member because of a possible conflict of interest?
Another question is, what will it cost the school district and the taxpayers to lease the church?
Will the school board ask for approval of the taxpayers to take this action?
You see the school board meeting minutes leave a lot to be desired in my opinion.
And yes, I do believe a few of the school board members read this forum and this thread, especially the Konnected ones. So, I feel certain that my questions are falling on the proper ears.
Why not write minutes that are much more informative? And make the attachments referred to in the agenda available with the minutes on the school district web site along with the minutes?
I think this could be easily accomplished with the extensive computer updates at West Elk, especially if the school board truly wants an informed public and taxpayers. They could also use the computers to record the meetings and poet them for people that are unable to attend for whatever reason.
What would be so terrible to move into the 21st Century?
Thank You for reading my opinions.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 15, 2013, 06:19:10 PM
Ross,
Get a grip. This is the Flint Hills Assembly of God. It has NEVER been the Church of God. It has always been FLINT HILLS ASSEMBLY OF GOD. This church has never gone by any other name. I have no idea where you came up with that.
There was no call for the remark, "Get a grip."
Just like the attempt at setting me up, there was no call for that either.
If you would have simply read, the previous posts.
Please re-read:
Quote from: Ross on February 15, 2013, 08:48:03 AM
Now to get it correct, I need to ask, because I am confused.
The school district refers to the church as COG, which I take to mean Church of God.
You refer to the church as the Assemblies, which I take to mean the Assembly of God Church.
Which is it or what do the two different names mean?
I truly am confused.
Does the church go by the two different names?
To clarify further for you the School Board used COG in their Agenda, see how things can get confusing! Or does COG as used in the agenda connected with the building next to the school mean something else? I did ask one of the people during the tour of the building and was told it meant Church of God. So correct me if I am wrong for asking. But forget the "Get a grip." comment because it adds nothing to the conversation.
Quote from: greatguns on February 15, 2013, 09:35:06 PM
Chautauqua County did not go to the Winfield paper for their official paper.
I read in the newspaper that they did.
So perhaps you can enlighten us to what is happening.
Did they change their minds or something?
Ross -
I'm not taking offense. I just see no need for your negative interpretation of facts.
QuoteI had not heard of anything about this situation until recently and have only asked a few simple questions. And when you suggested that talks have been going on with the school board as far back before Elk Konnected (early 2007) of course that would raise questions? That was before the school district closed the grade schools and before the grade school was re-located to West Elk.
That was way before even the ground breaking for the church. What is that seven (7) years to ground breaking?
I am so sorry you take offense at a few honest questions?
Why do discussions raise questions for you? Lots of organizations and businesses talk about future plans years in advance of actually doing anything about them. So do people: "When I retire, . . . ." and "It would be nice if . . . .". Not everything happens in just 5 or 6 years.
I knew you wouldn't believe me when I said the building of the church had nothing to do with the closing of the grade schools and relocating those classes to the West Elk campus south of Howard.
If you don't like the way minutes are taken and printed at the school board meetings (or any other meeting), why not write a recap yourself? Take notes during the meeting and share them.
Quote
I had not heard of anything about this situation until recently and have only asked a few simple questions.
I'm sorry you weren't aware of what was going on in the area. I think your simple questions have been answered, but there are times I feel as if I'm discussing something with Hydra of Greek mythology.
Still not sure why you need to know:
QuoteNo one suggested you had to be a member of anything. I only asked if you are a member of ElK Konnected or the Church of God.
If you are a member of the Church we could better understand more of what you tell us.
What difference does it make if I'm talking about public knowledge?
Is it your attempt to put a label on me, so you can say, "Aha, she's a member of (insert), that's why she says those things or believes such and such"? Not all members of an organization have the same opinion on things.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
Ross -
I'm not taking offense. I just see no need for your negative interpretation of facts.
Why do discussions raise questions for you? Lots of organizations and businesses talk about future plans years in advance of actually doing anything about them. So do people: "When I retire, . . . ." and "It would be nice if . . . .". Not everything happens in just 5 or 6 years.
I Sure am glad you are not taking offense that would trouble me if you did.
Now your remark, "your negative interpretation of facts" sounds fresh out of the Elk Konnected language to me, if you don't agree with us you are negative, and that is just a wrong attitude in my opinion..
That is jus a polite bullying tactic in an attempt to shut someone up.
Nice try but it won't work.
If everything you do is a positive are you donating the building for the use of the children of Elk County?
And will there be Volunteers performing the labor to transform the church back and forth to a gymnasium for the children?
Now that certainly would be a charitable event for the real improvement of the quality of life of all the children of Elk County!
And would be a very positive and Christian thing to do for Elk County as a whole!
And I would be the first to give you a hearty pat on the back.
Or will this whole idea be about just the children of the West Elk School and for a profit? Money that is!
You see, I am not interpreting anything, I am simply asking a few simple questions.
And anyone can join the conversation and provide their input.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I knew you wouldn't believe me when I said the building of the church had nothing to do with the closing of the grade schools and relocating those classes to the West Elk campus south of Howard.
Who said I don't believe you?
Did I call you a liar? NO!
Now, who is doing the negative interpretation of facts?
Since when, is asking questions for clarification necessarily calling someone a liar?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
If you don't like the way minutes are taken and printed at the school board meetings (or any other meeting), why not write a recap yourself? Take notes during the meeting and share them.
I believe, this thread address that question and suggestion fully.
I believe also, that I handled the problem of the minutes of the school board during my last post by pointing out that the minutes of the school board were lacking in informing the public as to what is really happening. And suggesting that perhaps they could correct that problem.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
I'm sorry you weren't aware of what was going on in the area. I think your simple questions have been answered, but there are times I feel as if I'm discussing something with Hydra of Greek mythology.
We can't always be aware of everything can we?
But 5 or 6 years ago is not today and today is what matters isn't it?
You perhaps may think my simple questions have been answered and you are free to think what you want. However, you can not think for me? And there may be many more questions to come. Because we are dealing with a public entity a taxing entity, both of which by fact of law, I and many other people are members.
Another bullying tactic to shut me up, another attempt to tell me not to ask any further questions, is that what that is?
Isn't that simply the reason for and I quote, "I feel as if I'm discussing something with Hydra of Greek mythology."?
The insinuation is a sinful thing, don't you think?
Is that the new Christian way?
But Its okay, I forgive you for that slip.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
Still not sure why you need to know:What difference does it make if I'm talking about public knowledge?
If you wish to deny your affiliation with the church by not answering that's fine with me.
But the difference is the inside information about the church that you have already provided in your previous post and that would only add credence to your input.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 15, 2013, 11:47:02 PM
Is it your attempt to put a label on me, so you can say, "Aha, she's a member of (insert), that's why she says those things or believes such and such"? Not all members of an organization have the same opinion on things.
No ma'am if you belong, you accept the label.
I don't have the authority to label anyone.
We all have reasons for believing such and such, so really what's the point?
I am a member of the taxpaying bunch of people that live in Elk County.
And I believe if someone or some organization wants to make money off of, or deal with the taxing entity, that I am a part of, I should be kept well informed. As well as all other members of the taxing entity.
See there, I am a member and that is why, I think such and such,
and I don't deny my membership,
is that such a bad thing?
I don't think so!
But it adds some weight to the reasons for my questions.
You can bet, I'll have more questions, how else is a person to learn if he doesn't ask.
And this is a great media for asking questions, because any number of people in the community can join in and provide answers or ask for further clarification. Or just read along and learn along with us.
Isn't technology great!
I went to bed last night and slept so hard and soundly I woke completely rested. Anyway I have responded to you and read a few emails and drank a cup of hot and I am heading back to bed for some more sleep.
Good night!
Read your paper again. Read what it says not what you want it to say. Try the Cedarvale paper which is printed by the winfield Courier. Just as the ElDorado Times prints several papers.
Quote from: greatguns on February 16, 2013, 06:37:28 AM
Read your paper again. Read what it says not what you want it to say. Try the Cedarvale paper which is printed by the winfield Courier. Just as the ElDorado Times prints several papers.
Big deal, they dropped the Prairie Star which was the whole point!
But just the same thanks for the correction.
He appears to be hurting his own business in my opinion.
Ya just can't bad mouth your customers and expect them to stay with you.
Especially publicly.
Ross, I admit this is none of my business, but you never cease to amaze me.
You actually just told mom 70x7 that she is denying her church affiliation by not answering your question! I am shocked! I'd love to see where in the county record that states that all nosy and personal questions that are asked by Ross must be answered, or there will be taunts, insults and insinutions..... Even if you deny that you do. You tend to worm your way out of any subject to whatever suits you . Is that fair to the other side of the "conversation?"
Any and all phrases can be interpreted at any time by Ross to be" EK talk." Might as well be cussing, huh? OOOH, such an insult! And eventually about a church? Good grief.
You ask questions prematurely that can't possibly have answers, yet and it always returns to money somehow...always!
My word man, who are you? How old are you? Where do you come from and why? What is your real name? Which church to you attend weekly without fail, and if not, why not? Inquiring minds want to know.... how you can avoid questions about yourself and then ask personal questions about others and make thin assumptions about what such information means.
You tangle every subject in crazy webs of no information and misinformation that remind me of the long ago studies on spiders who were fed LSD and the crazy looking ineffective webs they wove. Don't worry Ross, since you own this thread, and have for almost a year, nobody thinks anything they say will shut you up. Off subject? Sure ,has been for some time. Ross, try real debating for a change. I don't think you know how. It isn't all about taking verbal prisoners and pushing people personally until they have had enough.
The Prairie Star is just one newspaper out of many. If it doesn't suit you ,read another one. Publishers know they have detractors, they always do and are used to it. There is certainly nothing wrong with disagreeing, but wrapping it in personal insults is just plain wrong and counts for nothing.IMHO
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
Ross, I admit this is none of my business, but you never cease to amaze me.
You may actually be right for a change. Since, we are not in Delaware.
We are still in Kansas, thank God.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
You actually just told mom 70x7 that she is denying her church affiliation by not answering your question! I am shocked! I'd love to see where in the county record that states that all nosy and personal questions that are asked by Ross must be answered, or there will be taunts, insults and insinutions..... Even if you deny that you do. You tend to worm your way out of any subject to whatever suits you . Is that fair to the other side of the "conversation?"
In case you did not comprehend the present issue involves a Public School and a church!
And mom 70x7 provided information that would presumably come from an insider of the church. So I asked. If she is a member, and feel it would provide weight and credence to her statements. She chose not to respond and that can be construed to mean she is a member. She could also have said it is none of your business Ross. But she left it up to the imagination. And you know what, I believe she is quite capable of speaking for herself, Diane!
However, you are entitled to your opinion and you are welcome to twist what I said to whatever you wish.
My remark was not meant to be inflammatory:
Quote from: Ross on February 16, 2013, 03:42:29 AM
If you wish to deny your affiliation with the church by not answering that's fine with me.
But the difference is the inside information about the church that you have already provided in your previous post and that would only add credence to your input.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
Any and all phrases can be interpreted at any time by Ross to be" EK talk." Might as well be cussing, huh? OOOH, such an insult! And eventually about a church? Good grief.
How do we know what is going on within our school districts government that is supported by our tax dollars if we don't ask? Does being a church provide them immunity from questions when dealing with our government? I don't think so!
Your attempt to make it look heathen to question a church is just wrong. And they should not be offended given the fact that they are dealing with taxpayers. Dealing with taxpayers and governments possibly for money has nothing to do with God or religion or beliefs. In my opinion a good Christian would be willing to be honest and open in order to avoid anything that might be disputable. There by avoiding any conflict at as later date.
Mom 70x7 invited herself into this conversation and provide information on her own.
So, yes Diane, to quote you," Good grief."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
You ask questions prematurely that can't possibly have answers, yet and it always returns to money somehow...always!
Is it not about money?
I asked if they were donating the building for the use of the school district and volunteering the labor to transform the building from Church Services mode to School Gymnasium mode.
Do you know the answer Diane?
What's premature?
Questions of this sort and more should be answered before entering into any form of contract, verbal or written, especially with a governing body that works for the taxpayers, don't you think?
For instance will the church be operating the building as a business as well as a church?
Don't you s if your friends at Elk Konnected, LLC had asked more questions of themselves, perhaps they would have not failed running their Wellness Center in Howard. Do you reckon that's a possibility?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
My word man, who are you? How old are you? Where do you come from and why? What is your real name? Which church to you attend weekly without fail, and if not, why not? Inquiring minds want to know.... how you can avoid questions about yourself and then ask personal questions about others and make thin assumptions about what such information means.
I believe I have answered the only question you pose above that matters several times through out this thread. That question is and I quote you again, "My word man, who are you?" The answer is
1. A Vietnam Veteran.
2. A resident and home owner of Elk County. (no mortgage)
3. A tax paying citizen of Elk County.
4. A voter in Elk County.
5. A concerned citizen of Elk County.
My real name is right up there in the left hand corner.
And I feel that, that is all I am required to tell you and then some, when it is concerning the spending of my tax dollars.
Do you meet any of the items I listed?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
You tangle every subject in crazy webs of no information and misinformation that remind me of the long ago studies on spiders who were fed LSD and the crazy looking ineffective webs they wove. Don't worry Ross, since you own this thread, and have for almost a year, nobody thinks anything they say will shut you up. Off subject? Sure ,has been for some time. Ross, try real debating for a change. I don't think you know how. It isn't all about taking verbal prisoners and pushing people personally until they have had enough.
Again, you are entitled to your opinion!
However, I do not own this thread or any other thread.
There are very generous people, that own this Forum and are kind enough to let each of us use it.
Do any of the people that want me to shut up have any right to limit my freedom of speech?
Do you have any right to limit my freedom of speech?
Does being friends with the elite of Elk Konnected provide you that right?
I did not think so.
Does anyone force you to read this thread?
No, I didn't think so.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 09:43:19 AM
The Prairie Star is just one newspaper out of many. If it doesn't suit you ,read another one. Publishers know they have detractors, they always do and are used to it. There is certainly nothing wrong with disagreeing, but wrapping it in personal insults is just plain wrong and counts for nothing.IMHO
Thank you Diane, I will read what ever material I so desire.
There you go defending you friend the Konnected editor, which is fine with me.
So please just because you think it is insults instead of the truth, that may not be what others think. You are not the only reader of this thread.
I did not see where your friend held back insulting Elk County by his, what I consider bis reporting as an affiliate of Elk Konnected.
Diane, thanks for sharing your many words of wisdom with us.
And have a good day.
There are many, many questions that should be asked and answered by all parties, when marrying a church and government together in a contract be it verbal or written, I hope you understand that?
But, as I have often stated I an simply a redneck hick with no college education and I do not encourage people to listen to me, but to think their own minds and discuss what might be going on with their friends and family and whoever else they choose. And to ignore my personal opinions and make their own.
Nothing more!
Ross,
You always twist things. Did it ever occur to you that the school board agenda had it wrong and that whoever you talked to on the school board told you incorrectly because they didn't know what they were talking about? Did it ever occur to you to talk to the pastor of the Flint Hills Assembly of God to find out the reason for building this church? I know he would be more than happy to sit down with you and entertain you with the reasons why, etc. His name if Ward Robin Haines. Most of us just call him Pastor Robin.
Now, I do not belong to the Flint Hills Assembly of God church, but I know what is going on with the new building. Mom70X7 does not belong to that church, either, and she knows what is going on. That is because we ask the CORRECT people about what is going on when we want to know something. Mom70X7 has attended school board meetings for many, many, many years. She knows what she is talking about.
As for the get a grip remark, I make no apology. In my HUMBLE OPINION, you need to get a grip. And as for trying to set you up, I didn't. You are so paranoid about this Elk Konnected thing that you don't seem to have any positive questions or thoughts of your own.
All I wanted to know from you was if you had seen anything positive from the Youth Development program. I personally do not know if the Youth Development program is Elk Konnected or not. All I know is what you and Patriot have said on this forum. Why do you seem to be so paranoid that I know the positive outcome for your son of one of the programs that Montgomery helps with and the positive letter that you wrote to her? Why? Oh, and by the way, since you wrote the letter to Mrs. Montgomery because of her duties as a county worker, that information is public record. Oops.
Now, as for the Prairie Star losing the Chautauqua County business by the county commissioners giving the job to the Cedar Vale paper, this happened last year, too, and Taylor wrote an editorial about it at the time. How quickly people forget when they are just wanting to stick it to someone on a public forum.
Like I told you a long, long time ago, ask these questions of the people who are involved with Elk Konnected. Since you think the county commissioners have all the answers, start with them. Then go to other people. Why haven't you done this instead of asking on a public forum that anyone that does belong to Elk Konnected wouldn't touch if their life depended on it?
Here's another question for you, Ross.
When the school rents out the gym or the cafeteria for a church associated thing and the church pays the school board money for that rental, is that a problem because of the separation of church and state?
Just wondering.
Oh, yeah, I forgot to add this...Now, pick those apart sentence by sentence. LOL
Hey,Ross, perhaps you shouldn't construe or interpret Mom's silence after all, huh? ;) Being sarcastic isn't always the right way to go,now is it. As for my living there, it is not a requirement for posting, as I was recently reminded. Some folks enjoy reading more than one point of view about things. I'd say more but I no longer have to. :angel:
Pastor Robin is an absolute delight. I think the world of him.
Ross, when did you become involved with taxes that go to West Elk? Doesn't your child attend Elk Valley?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Ross,
You always twist things. Did it ever occur to you that the school board agenda had it wrong and that whoever you talked to on the school board told you incorrectly because they didn't know what they were talking about?
Why would I consider that the School Board would have it wrong? They were directly in contact with the church. I believe the person that told me That COG written in the Agenda was very correct in stating that the initials meant Church of God. So you are wrong in suggesting she did not know what she was talking about. She did not say that the church was the Church of God. See the difference.
And I did not twist a single thing. I asked a simple question?
Quote from: Ross on February 15, 2013, 08:48:03 AM
Now to get it correct, I need to ask, because I am confused.
The school district refers to the church as COG, which I take to mean Church of God.
You refer to the church as the Assemblies, which I take to mean the Assembly of God Church.
Which is it or what do the two different names mean?
I truly am confused.
Does the church go by the two different names?
So who is doing the twisting?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Did it ever occur to you to talk to the pastor of the Flint Hills Assembly of God to find out the reason for building this church? I know he would be more than happy to sit down with you and entertain you with the reasons why, etc. His name if Ward Robin Haines. Most of us just call him Pastor Robin.
No, it never occurred to me to speak with the pastor of the church, I just don't see no need to. I would not want to pry into the churches private business. And IF I had done that, I am certain you would surely have had a to more to say about that.
I have the governing body of the West Elk School District, that has a responsibility to answer to the taxpayers and citizens of Elk County. What is so hard to understand about that?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Now, I do not belong to the Flint Hills Assembly of God church, but I know what is going on with the new building. Mom70X7 does not belong to that church, either, and she knows what is going on. That is because we ask the CORRECT people about what is going on when we want to know something. Mom70X7 has attended school board meetings for many, many, many years. She knows what she is talking about.
And what was so difficult about Mom70X7 saying she was not a member of the church we are discussing, that she had to have you answer for her? So all of Dianes bad mouthing me was for nought, right? There ya go Diane!
So what you report is nothing more than hearsay just as when I report what I see and hear at the School Board Meeting or the County Commissioners Meeting, right?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
As for the get a grip remark, I make no apology. In my HUMBLE OPINION, you need to get a grip. And as for trying to set you up, I didn't. You are so paranoid about this Elk Konnected thing that you don't seem to have any positive questions or thoughts of your own.
I am not paranoid or I would never have started this thread nearly two years ago.
I'm not paranoid or I would have discontinued this thread when I received the back handed threat, that this was bad for my health.
I am not paranoid or I would have discontinued this thread when I was informed on this thread that everything I post is being printed out for a possible lawsuit against me.
You asked and I responded to read the thread. Then you came back with your own answer for me. That my dear is a set up. Plain and simple. Oh by the way I don't recall a letter, perhaps a simple e-mail thanking her for caring for my child while on the trip. I'm not sure. But it is the least I could do for the care of my son as an escort/babysitter. And the wind farm also provided a free trip for her mother, didn't they. Was the third escort her sister? I believe there were three escorts. I didn't think to thank the wind farm for providing and setting up the trip.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
All I wanted to know from you was if you had seen anything positive from the Youth Development program. I personally do not know if the Youth Development program is Elk Konnected or not.
Why don't you take your own advice and speak to the people involved?
But here is how I understand what you are questioning works..
Elk County has an employee labeled Youth Development Coordinator listed on its web page at http://www.elkcounty.org/youth-development.htm . That page also presently advertises one of its sporadic events, a movie. A movie is not youth development but merely entertainment. Entertainment by the way, that parents have been told they should pry their kids away from and send out to play, the TV.
And if you check Elk Konnected, LLC's webpage at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/teams.php you will find under the name Action Teams, the term Youth Development.
To go one step further our ex-county commissioner is still advertising herself as county commissioner on the same page Isn't it time for her to change that?
Now would please tell me what is twisted about quoting web sites?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
All I know is what you and Patriot have said on this forum.
Why then haven't you followed your own advice and talked to the people involved or checked the associated web sites? If you don't know the name of the links for the web sites , simply Google them by name. Or ask here on the forum. And each web site has been referenced right here on this thread several times.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Why do you seem to be so paranoid that I know the positive outcome for your son of one of the programs that Montgomery helps with and the positive letter that you wrote to her? Why? Oh, and by the way, since you wrote the letter to Mrs. Montgomery because of her duties as a county worker, that information is public record. Oops.
You sure do have a hang up with that word paranoid. Don't you?
Please scroll up and read the paragraph that starts with and I quote, "As for the get a grip remark, I make no apology." Please read my response. Or would you prefer I copy and paste it here.
And by the way I would not ask nor would I expect an apology from someone who had tried to set me up. It just would not be feasible in my opinion.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Now, as for the Prairie Star losing the Chautauqua County business by the county commissioners giving the job to the Cedar Vale paper, this happened last year, too, and Taylor wrote an editorial about it at the time. How quickly people forget when they are just wanting to stick it to someone on a public forum.
I was simply repeating what he said in his paper this time. So what is the big deal? If he was sticking it to himself , I suppose I have to concede to sticking it to him as well. Thanks for that Janet, I plead guilty.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Like I told you a long, long time ago, ask these questions of the people who are involved with Elk Konnected.
So are you the self appointed Commander of the Forum and can give orders that have to be followed, I don't think so.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Since you think the county commissioners have all the answers, start with them.
I have never said that. I personally have never meet anyone person in my many years of life that have all the answers. If you happen to know someone, please let me know. Thanks.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Then go to other people.
Oh I already have right here on the forum.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:04:34 PM
Why haven't you done this instead of asking on a public forum that anyone that does belong to Elk Konnected wouldn't touch if their life depended on it?
How can you positively say that if you are not and do not know anything about Elk Konnected, LLC?
If you care to scroll back you can find a lot of posting by their self proclaimed founder.
And Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau said at the official County Commissioners meeting that what I post is vile. And he to is welcome to his opinion. But there you go proof that they have in your words and I quote, "anyone that does belong to Elk Konnected wouldn't touch if their life depended on it?" have actually done so. And I would be willing to bet if I were a gambling man, that they never miss a post.
Once again Janet thanks for your input and words of wisdom.
Sharing ideas and opinions is fun isn't it?
And I bet all the readers are enjoying this as much as we are, at least I hope so.
Yep. Paranoid. I do like that word.
Let's bundle shall we. LOL
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
Here's another question for you, Ross.
When the school rents out the gym or the cafeteria for a church associated thing and the church pays the school board money for that rental, is that a problem because of the separation of church and state?
Just wondering.
This is the first anyone has mentioned separation of church and state?
Would that be something the two entities should be exploring?
I don't know anything Janet about the school board renting the gym to the church.
To return your advice, why don't you ask the instead of on an open forum?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 12:21:25 PM
Oh, yeah, I forgot to add this...Now, pick those apart sentence by sentence. LOL
I sure did, only I didn't tear them apart but simply gently separated them with the spacebar on my computer. This is the only way I know of to respond to each of your statements and questions with out creating confusion, on my part or creating confusion for the readers.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 12:54:20 PM
Hey,Ross, perhaps you shouldn't construe or interpret Mom's silence after all, huh? ;) Being sarcastic isn't always the right way to go,now is it. As for my living there, it is not a requirement for posting, as I was recently reminded. Some folks enjoy reading more than one point of view about things. I'd say more but I no longer have to. :angel:
Pastor Robin is an absolute delight. I think the world of him.
I agreed that you have a right to your opinion just as I do.
You can even speak for others if you want, I don't care, just try to have fun with that, okay.
So what is your point.
Quote from: Wilma on February 16, 2013, 01:53:24 PM
Ross, when did you become involved with taxes that go to West Elk? Doesn't your child attend Elk Valley?
Where my child attends school or whether or not I have nothing to do with paying property taxes an in school district.
Taxes are levied on just about all properties with in the school district on all properties whether children live there or not. And if I am not mistaken they even taxed the property next to me and across the highway from me.
Neither have buildings on them.
Neither have children on them.
One has cows and the other doesn't, so I guess it doesn't mater if cows are there or not.
But when did I become involved in the West Elk School District.
That would be August of 2005 when I bought my property and put a home on it and started paying property tax. That's it, that's when.
Just in time Janet to make the bundle. I was about to post.
Thank you for the timing.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 16, 2013, 02:19:33 PM
Yep. Paranoid. I do like that word.
It's been a lot of fun folks but its break time and i have a few chores to take care of.
Ill check back latter.
Ross -
QuoteAnd what was so difficult about Mom70X7 saying she was not a member of the church we are discussing, that she had to have you answer for her?
There's nothing difficult about answering or not answering. It's unnecessary to this discussion. I chose to not answer your question about my church membership because it's none of your business. My church membership/attendance as nothing to do with a discussion about using the the Assemblies gym for sports practice. The information I have shared here is all public information and has been public information for several years.
QuoteWhere my child attends school or whether or not I have nothing to do with paying property taxes an in school district.
You are absolutely right with this statement. You have pushed several times for West Elk to become a Blue Ribbon School. I assume you're making the same push (or an even stronger one) for the school your child attends. If being a Blue Ribbon School is such a big deal for you, I'm sure you would want your children to attend one.
Again, I see it as a labeling issue. You ignore all the plaudits West Elk students receive just because they don't have one label you admire. I don't perceive it as an attempt to make West Elk better but a chance to point out an area you think the district is lacking in. If you believe that strongly in making West Elk a Blue Ribbon school, then what have you done, actively, to help it achieve that status? Have you volunteered to assist the district? Do you know the specific requirements needed to become a Blue Ribbon school? How are you going to specifically help West Elk achieve that goal? Near as I can tell, you're just talking and not doing anything to reach a goal you desire.
QuoteI am not paranoid or I would never have started this thread nearly two years ago.
Not sure of this statement. The way I read your postings, if you don't like an activity, they you label it as part of Elk Konnected. It appears you see that organization behind everything you don't like.
QuoteMom 70x7 invited herself into this conversation and provide(d) information on her own.
Yes, I did. You asked a simple question (your words) and I gave you a simple and honest answer. You then proceeded to question my information, even after I gave you my credentials and sources. You weren't satisfied with my simple and honest answer.
QuoteThere you go defending you friend the Konnected editor, which is fine with me.
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau
Ross - You have stated several times that you're not a bully, yet continuing to misspell a person's name or label them with a misspelling is a form of bullying. It's an attempt to belittle someone by using a name you think is unflattering. I think people woujld give more credence to your statements if they were accurate. I know I would. It's also called being courteous.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 16, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
Ross -
There's nothing difficult about answering or not answering. It's unnecessary to this discussion. I chose to not answer your question about my church membership because it's none of your business. My church membership/attendance as nothing to do with a discussion about using the the Assemblies gym for sports practice. The information I have shared here is all public information and has been public information for several years.
Well, I guess, I should apologize, I am human and I do make errors. You sounded like you had inside information to me and I thought wrong. I never meant to offend you. It was
stupid of me to remark in such a manner.
Please accept my sincerest apology.Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 16, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
You are absolutely right with this statement. You have pushed several times for West Elk to become a Blue Ribbon School. I assume you're making the same push (or an even stronger one) for the school your child attends. If being a Blue Ribbon School is such a big deal for you, I'm sure you would want your children to attend one.
Again, I see it as a labeling issue. You ignore all the plaudits West Elk students receive just because they don't have one label you admire. I don't perceive it as an attempt to make West Elk better but a chance to point out an area you think the district is lacking in. If you believe that strongly in making West Elk a Blue Ribbon school, then what have you done, actively, to help it achieve that status?
The purpose of the Blue Ribbon is to show that the school is excellent in education of all children, not just the few at the top. This would give the school the prestige they are looking for to attract family's with children to the area. It would not be an easy task to accomplish. It would take considerable work on the part of the administration and the school board working together.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 16, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
Have you volunteered to assist the district? Do you know the specific requirements needed to become a Blue Ribbon school? How are you going to specifically help West Elk achieve that goal? Near as I can tell, you're just talking and not doing anything to reach a goal you desire.
What is with all this volunteering stuff when we pay good money for professionals to get the work done? Every Elk konnected turns around they ask that very same question when someone questions their actions. Also I happen to believe we have probably one of the smartest men in Kansas as the West Elk School Superintendent.
No, I haven't volunteered at the school. I do enough volunteer work on my own and I have a very full plate taking care of my wife and raising a son, along with my own limitations as a senior citizen. Not excuses, just facts.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 16, 2013, 03:07:05 PM
Not sure of this statement. The way I read your postings, if you don't like an activity, they you label it as part of Elk Konnected. It appears you see that organization behind everything you don't like.
Yes, I did. You asked a simple question (your words) and I gave you a simple and honest answer. You then proceeded to question my information, even after I gave you my credentials and sources. You weren't satisfied with my simple and honest answer.
Ross - You have stated several times that you're not a bully, yet continuing to misspell a person's name or label them with a misspelling is a form of bullying. It's an attempt to belittle someone by using a name you think is unflattering. I think people woujld give more credence to your statements if they were accurate. I know I would. It's also called being courteous.
I don't understand all they you are saying here.
But I will try to respond anyway.
What specific persons name did I misspell?
How about the guy that spells Ross with am L.
I did not take offense.
I found it humorous because while stationed in Japan I was called Loss by the Japanese people because they could not make the "R" Sound. I enjoyed the error by the Japanese people.
First of all Elk Konnected, LLC at a community conversation that was not a community conversation was not courteous to me. The man from Leoti refused to talk with me in public and instead wanted to go outside and when I told him I preferred to speak with him as a community conversation he asked where the sheriff was. They did not disclose to the public that it was their meting but that it was a community conversation. Which ot never was. Where is the courtesy in that?
Is it fair that Elk Konnected, LLC misspells and then to say no one else can?
And apparently you are not konnected (their spelling ) if you are not like minded or ask questions they do not wish to answer.
And as well, I was told here on this thread I was part of Elk Konnected because I attended a couple of their meetings and signed their paper at the door. Now how rude is that.
As far as activities such as movies and air filled jumping houses and air filled slipper slides. Those are play and only occasionally, they are not youth development. Also every time the county did something Elk Konnected took credit for it. Where is the Elk Konnected, LLC courtesy in that?
Elk Konnected, LLC commandeered the County Web site and made their own web page on it. Until Commissioner Liebaus Aunt called them on it. how courteous is that of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Elk Konnected, LLC commandeered the County Emergency Call system for their own use, until there was a public outcry. how courteous is that of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Elk Konnected, LLC suggested to the Elk Konnected County Commissioners to fabricate the position of Youth Development. And Elk Konnected Commissioners voted to do it. How curteous is that? I mean voting to approve their own suggestion, where are the ethics?
For the Konnected County Commissioners to ast as cheerleaders during a County Commissioners meeting, how courteous is that of Elk Konnected?
For Konnected Commissioner Liebau to announce in angry tone in an attempt to humiliate and intimidate me at a County Commissioners meeting saying that my posts on this forum are vile, how courteous is that of Elk Konnected?
When our Youth Development Employee was called to give her year end report to the County Commissioners and Elk Konnected, LLC steps forward in her place, how courteous is that of Elk Konnected? Do they really have any business interfering during a County Commissioners Meeting when a County Employee is suppose to be doing her job that she is paid to do. If you or I were to get up there we would be asked to wait until the open forum part of the meeting. If Elk Konnected, LLC a privately owned company felt the need, they could have been respectful and addressed the County Commissioners by having themselves placed on the agenda or wait for the open forum just like everyone else. But no not them, why? Because they knew they could get away with it. Really a total lack of respect for the system and a lack of courtesy.
But you follow that up with all the begging they do for money and appliances, and really that is what they are doing in my opinion. Where does it stop.
A lady, a senior citizen asked a simple question of them folks at the last County commissioners meeting. She asked how much money they had. Were thy even courteous enough to recognize her and tell her they did not want to disclose that information, how courteous is that of Elk Konnected?
And if you check back through the posts of this threads there are plenty more, I can't recall all of the instances of the lack of courtesy on the part of Elk Koneected,.
Oh, one more Elk Konnected insinuated at the last County Commissioners meeting that Commissioner Hebb and Commissioner Ritz appeared to violate the open meetings law, how courteous is that of Elk Konnected?
Personally, I have tried very hard not to get into the name calling and have tried equally hard to be decent.
The Elk Konnected thing of changing letters in the word Connected just naturally led to Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and it simply amplifies the Elk Konnected, Konnection, nothing ugly about it really. Is it that they can amplify their connection by being cheerleaders for Elk konnected at County Commissioners and I am not suppose to amplify it in a different fashion.
Yes Elk Konnected, LLC is involved in just about everything in Elk County especially in Howard because they are the so called leaders of the community and some are merchants.
But they no longer have the controlling votes on the County Commissioners Board. And due th that fact all the County bills have been paid off and money allocated to repair and maintain the roads, and property taxes are being lowered. All this adds to the quality of life in Elk County.
Elk Konnected has claimed for what 6 years to want to improve the quality of life in Elk County and what have they done? They haven't even said how they would go about it? Six years ajd not even a plan. But they did not hesitate to ask the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners for recreation money that the communities could have used themselves.
Did any other privately owned company ask for recreation money to use to advertise themselves? Do you think if they had asked that they would have received any money from the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners? Why would they, when Elk konnected wanted it. Well I believe our present day County Commissioners did the right thing by returning the money to the individual communities for their own recreational funds. Now there will be no more confusion on that subject.
I do not deny being a hard head old fart either.
I have seen no compromising on their part, it appears to be their way or no way.
And they will not hesitate publicly to put some one down as illustrated with the remark about the commissioners appearance to violate the Kansas Open meeting laws. In an attempt to plant the seed of doubt, which is damaging to Elk County.
I hope you understand me a little better now. Now my disclaimer because I was threatened with a lawsuit right here on this thread. I haven't given it in awhile.
So here it is.
These are my opinions and my opinions only. I do not expect you to accept them or believe them. I would prefer you have an open dialog with your friends and relatives and develop your own opinion. And anything I post is under the constitution and the freedom of speech laws.
Please just ignore me if you so desire, I will not be offended if you do.
SSDD... How about spending more time writing to not give offense and spend less time congratulating yourself on not taking offense. I'm done, 10-7 for the duration. :P
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2013, 06:36:39 PM
SSDD... How about spending more time writing to not give offense and spend less time congratulating yourself on not taking offense. I'm done, 10-7 for the duration. :P
You just gotta get your two cents in as a put down, don't you Diane?
Yes, Mother, Ross has to pay U.S.D. 282 taxes because he lives in this district. It doesn't matter where the child goes to school.
Ross -
Apology accepted. Thank you.
Quote from: ROSS on February 16, 2013, 06:23:22 PM
The purpose of the Blue Ribbon is to show that the school is excellent in education of all children, not just the few at the top. This would give the school the prestige they are looking for to attract family's with children to the area. It would not be an easy task to accomplish. It would take considerable work on the part of the administration and the school board working together.
Ross, I agree that acheiving Blue Ribbon School status is a commendable goal of any school. However, you make it sound as if not acheiving said status is somehow indicative of an underperforming school.
Do you realize that only one-fourth of one percent of all schools are nominated for Blue Ribbon School designation in any given year? So a school could be better than 90% of all other schools and still only have a one in forty chance of being nominated.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 18, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Ross, I agree that acheiving Blue Ribbon School status is a commendable goal of any school. However, you make it sound as if not acheiving said status is somehow indicative of an underperforming school.
Well you must have mis-read what I said.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 18, 2013, 05:25:22 PM
Do you realize that only one-fourth of one percent of all schools are nominated for Blue Ribbon School designation in any given year? So a school could be better than 90% of all other schools and still only have a one in forty chance of being nominated.
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There is no reason not to put forth the effort is there? If you don't try you can't get there, can you?
Where is that positive attitude?
Even if it is just for the purpose of improving the school education for all the children, that would be beneficial wouldn't it.
But why did I make the suggestion, Okay, here it is.
Howard wanted to move their city limits out beyond which was thought would give prestige to Howard and people would start moving there. Check out the sign just inside the city limits, driving into Howard from the south. It is a sign recognizing the West Elk School.
Why isn't the sign in front of the West Elk School?
Why a half mile north of the school inside the Howard City limits?
I hope you can comprehend what I am pointing out here?
Then the thought of building a larger school would bring the people moving there.
Even though, they have a school capable of holding 600 children and only having 300 children.
Building a Taj Mahal of a school at the expense of the taxpayers will not bring people moving to Howard.
Just give that some logical thought.
Besides, economic development is not the job of our school board, nor is just sitting around looking for places to spend money, now is it?
However, education of the children is, isn't it?
All children, right?
Wouldn't it behoove them to concentrate on that goal?
It would require more working together and effort between the school board, the superintendent and the staff and the teachers. You know,
connecting to accomplish the goal of teaching all children. No failures!
Wouldn't that provide a lot of prestige for the school and county?
It seems to me more attention and effort is on sports then education, as well as growing bigger campus.
Everything appears to have been working real well at the school since closing the grade schools, with the facilities they have.
But no, now we need to spend more taxpayer education dollars leasing a building from the Assembly of God, for what, for sports support. It's been being considered from what has been posted here on this thread for about 6 years.
What is really going on?
Wasn't that before the grade schools were closed?
It sounds to me like bigger school, bigger school, bigger school and spend, spend, spend and also sports, sports, sports.
Do we have a rich enough economy to support spend, spend, spend?
Haven't you noticed even the Federal Government is in financial trouble?
Is that the route we want to go?
If we were having $3 million a year from the wind farm like Enid, Oklahoma does from the same company for the same size wind farm, we could just replace the West Elk School with a real Taj Mahal.
Just my opinions and suggestions and no one is required to pay any attention to them.
Quote from: ROSS on February 12, 2013, 09:22:27 AM
Check out how the Konnected Followers tried to set me up on a new thread here.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.0.html
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected or anybody in that organization or company or whatever you want to call it. That thread was started by me for my knowledge to see if what I was told was correct or incorrect.
My apologizes for taking so long to respond to the above post.
It's just that I have been busy.
How are we supposed to believe you are not associated with Elk Konnected?
You keep telling us that however, it's hard to swallow.
Perhaps you misunderstand the definition of associated,
From Merriam- Webster = to join as a partner, friend, or companion, to bring together or into relationship in any of various intangible ways (as in memory or imagination).
Your friends from your FaceBook page at
(Copy and past in your browser):
https://www.facebook.com/countrymonkey5/posts/431064663638193#!/kansasladysheriff
David Whetstone ----- Elk Konnected Steering Committee
Pat Perkins ______ He givesive appearances as an Elk Konnected Follower IMHO
Rudy Taylor-------- Told me he is Elk Konnected Affiliated
Charles Durbin----------- He gives appearances as an Elk Konnected Follower IMHO
Jennifer Montgomery----------- Elk Konnected Steering Committee
And Elk Konnected's Youth Development Action Team
Diane Amberg or Diane Silverman ---- which is it? Also associated in the same fashion as you in my opinion.
I just wasn't about to go through all
1368 friends on your Facebook. I bet there are even more people in there associated.
No, I did not hack (cause I don't know how to Hack) your FaceBook it is open to the public.
(Copy and past in your browser)https://www.facebook.com/countrymonkey5/posts/431064663638193#!/kansasladysheriff
You left it as public information for everyone to see.
I do believe this says other than what you say, and I quote, "Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected" in my opinion that is just plain wrong..
Quote from: ROSS on February 19, 2013, 09:46:49 PM
My apologizes for taking so long to respond to the above post.
It's just that I have been busy.
How are we supposed to believe you are not associated with Elk Konnected?
You keep telling us that however, it's hard to swallow.
Perhaps you misunderstand the definition of associated,
From Merriam- Webster = to join as a partner, friend, or companion, to bring together or into relationship in any of various intangible ways (as in memory or imagination).
Your friends from your FaceBook page at
(Copy and past in your browser):
https://www.facebook.com/countrymonkey5/posts/431064663638193#!/kansasladysheriff
David Whetstone ----- Elk Konnected Steering Committee
Pat Perkins ______ He givesive appearances as an Elk Konnected Follower IMHO
Rudy Taylor-------- Told me he is Elk Konnected Affiliated
Charles Durbin----------- He gives appearances as an Elk Konnected Follower IMHO
Jennifer Montgomery----------- Elk Konnected Steering Committee
And Elk Konnected's Youth Development Action Team
Diane Amberg or Diane Silverman ---- which is it? Also associated in the same fashion as you in my opinion.
I just wasn't about to go through all 1368 friends on your Facebook. I bet there are even more people in there associated.
No, I did not hack (cause I don't know how to Hack) your FaceBook it is open to the public.
(Copy and past in your browser)
https://www.facebook.com/countrymonkey5/posts/431064663638193#!/kansasladysheriff
You left it as public information for everyone to see.
I do believe this says other than what you say, and I quote, "Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected" in my opinion that is just plain wrong..
Ross you are so full of crap, this is one of the dumbest post you have made. You won't be satisfied until you ruin everyone and everything in Elk County. All because you got thrown out of a meeting many months ago.
To Oldtimer:
You need to change your method of writing. Otherwise you'll be accused of bullying. You should have written: " Ross, why are you so full of crap? Why did you write such a dumb post? Why won't you be satisfied until you've ruined everyone and everything about Elk County? Is it all because you got thrown out of a meeting many months ago?" This way you're simply asking questions and can't be accused of attacking Mr. Ross.
Quote from: Oldtimer on February 20, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
Ross you are so full of crap, this is one of the dumbest post you have made. You won't be satisfied until you ruin everyone and everything in Elk County. All because you got thrown out of a meeting many months ago.
You are welcome to your opinion, and again, just as I am.
I am not ruining anything, or anybody. They do those themselves.
Or if anyone is ruining anything it appears to be you followers, with your word twisting, name calling and bullying right here on this thread and other places on this forum.
Failing to be responsive to decent questions concerning the organization you follow, doesn't help either.
Here is one for you, I bet you won't answer.
What does Elk Konnected mean when they use the term "Quality of Life"? Specifics Please?
What is there plan to improve the "Quality of Life" in Elk County" besides spending "OPM" (other peoples money) Again Specifics Please?
Why does telling the truth just seems so difficult for all you followers!
But to attempt to set me up or to smear me is okay, is that right?
Janet posted information about me claiming it was public information, and trying to make it sound like I was a recipient of services from Elk Konnected or Elk County Youth Development. When in fact what I received was a direct result of the wind farm. Our Elk County Youth Development Employee and mother or sister and a third person were only utilized as escorts/babysitters and most likely paid for that service along with a free trip, rooms and food. Elk Valley School District provided the bus for transportation.
So why isn't credit given where credit is due.
Why are all you Elk Connected Followers ashamed to admit the truth about being Konnected?
If you are not Konnected, why would you be so defensive?
If you are not Konnected, why are you so anxious to attack people that ask questions?
Quote from: Oldtimer on February 20, 2013, 08:58:11 AM
All because you got thrown out of a meeting many months ago.
See you got it all wrong. I left of my own free will, because of the rudeness of the facilitator from Leoti, Kansas not wanting to talk openly and honestly in front of the community. He told me let's go outside. Gracious of him wasn't it. Also, because of the Circus of "Circles of Chairs" with a facilitator in each circle and the name tags with little kindergarten colored stars for the sole purpose of controlling people. Because of the secrecy that was set up in what was suppose to be a community conversation and was not. A lot of other people walked out as well.
If you go back to page one of this thread you will see where the secrecy came in.
Elk Konnected provided a list of dumb ideas to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
The secrecy is that nobody and I mean nobody accepts credit for anything on the list, not even Elk Konnected. So what do you say, shall we stick to the truth okay?
I know the truth is very difficult sometimes.
Just my opinions and questions!
Has that lawsuit been filed against me yet, for posting my opinions and questions on this thread?
Oh is the West Elk School District gonna just keep spending money meant to give the children a better education or continue on the track of building a Taj Mahal for Howard?
Or are they gonna run another Bond Issue to raise property taxes during these troubling times for everyone and our Country as a whole?
Are you able to enlighten the anxious public of Elk County?
Do the visionaries know?
Do you know?
Are we gonna lease a Church even though everything has been working pretty well?
Or are we just interested in sports and spending money?
Do we just continue down the liberal road? Spend, spend?
I hope the questions are not to difficult for you to answer!
Perhaps you should listen to a brother Follower.
Hers is his advice in case you missed it.
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 09:18:57 AM
To Oldtimer:
You need to change your method of writing. Otherwise you'll be accused of bullying. You should have written: " Ross, why are you so full of crap? Why did you write such a dumb post? Why won't you be satisfied until you've ruined everyone and everything about Elk County? Is it all because you got thrown out of a meeting many months ago?" This way you're simply asking questions and can't be accused of attacking Mr. Ross.
Easy on that mister stuff, I don't want this old redneck to get a big head by feeling flattered. LOL
Nice post Mr. Durbin, that's telling Mr. Oldtimer. Good job!
Not you are not just trying to tell me what to do, you are spreading it to your brother followers.
Kudo's to Mr. Durbin.
Perhaps you can provide some answers to the above questions. what do you say?
Mr. Ross:
For some unknown reason, you seem to think I might be able to provide you with answers to some of your many questions. It appears this may be because I have made some remarks in the past that were contrary to your stead-fast beliefs, thus earning myself your label of "Follower", which you seem to tag such people with. Let me reiterate these two points once again: I do not know the answers to your questions, and I do not consider myself a "Follower". That is a term you have erroneously bestowed upon me. In my opinion, you seem to follow the activities of Elk Konnected far more than anyone posting on this forum.
With that being said, I would like to discuss one main part of your recent post above. You suggest we look back at the first post of this thread at the "list of dumb ideas presented by Elk Konnected to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners". In doing so, it reads as though the top rated ideas and the ones given the higher priority were:
Lowering of taxes
Paying off debt
Banking a certain % of income
Improving county roads
Maintain/improve water and trash service
Assist and promote growth in existing businesses
Would you mind explaining why you consider these "dumb ideas"? Are you not if favor of striving for the implementation of these ideas? As a taxpayer, I would think you would be more supportive of them.
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
Mr. Ross:
For some unknown reason, you seem to think I might be able to provide you with answers to some of your many questions. It appears this may be because I have made some remarks in the past that were contrary to your stead-fast beliefs, thus earning myself your label of "Follower", which you seem to tag such people with. Let me reiterate these two points once again: I do not know the answers to your questions, and I do not consider myself a "Follower". That is a term you have erroneously bestowed upon me. In my opinion, you seem to follow the activities of Elk Konnected far more than anyone posting on this forum.
With that being said, I would like to discuss one main part of your recent post above. You suggest we look back at the first post of this thread at the "list of dumb ideas presented by Elk Konnected to the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners". In doing so, it reads as though the top rated ideas and the ones given the higher priority were:
Lowering of taxes
Paying off debt
Banking a certain % of income
Improving county roads
Maintain/improve water and trash service
Assist and promote growth in existing businesses
Would you mind explaining why you consider these "dumb ideas"? Are you not if favor of striving for the implementation of these ideas? As a taxpayer, I would think you would be more supportive of them.
Mr. Durbin, Mr. Durbin,
My, Oh MY!
The term Follower stems from Elk konnected.An Employee that use to work at Harrods over heard the term used there amongst a bunch of laughing. He doesn't have to worry about losing his job because he moved on and out of Elk County way back
As a great defender and associate of Elk Konnected it just seem right to fit you, in my opinion.
Why deny such a great organization.
I do believe I was refering to a bunch of dumb ass ideas, I did not mention a very few that are only common sense.
Care to go back and re-read.
It is so much fun communcating with you Followers and defenders. Oh i just though of the idea defenders, so don't give Elk Konnected credit for that, okay!
Mr. Ross:
To be bluntly honest, I don't really care what your opinions are, except when you try to involve me in them. I challenge you to show where I have ever once defended, followed, or associated myself with the organization Elk Konnected. I do not live in nor do I visit Elk County as much as I used to. The people you credit as being Elk Konnected are not people that I am that familiar with. To my knowledge I have never met nor spoken with Liz Hendricks, David Whetstone, Rudy Taylor or many of the others you think ARE highly involved with that group. The one exception is Ken Liebau. I do know him from being schoolmates back in the 1960's and I have had occasional run-ins with him over the years. I do not have strong opinions about the organization Elk Konnected either favorably or unfavorably. I have taken exception to some of the points you have tried to make in your unending stream of posts, but they have been related to far more topics that just Elk Konnected. As others have also pointed out, whenever anyone disagrees or corrects you on ANY matter, they in your mind become Followers and you label them as such. It is regretful that your whole way of thinking seems to center so much on what can only be seen as a hatred, yes hatred, for Elk Konnected. Based on all your previous posts on this forum, I am sure that you will promptly respond to this, taking exception to each and every word and sentence, and try to point out that I am full of beans and that you are the only sensible being with anything to say, so go ahead. It is certainly your right to do so, just as it is my right to say first that you are the one full of beans.
To all the other readers: I fully realize that I will be unsuccessful in causing Mr. Ross to see any other view points, other than those he has repeated unendingly on this thread for over a year now. I normally would not even bother responding to him, but it's snowing outside--Hurray, Hurray--and I'm just bored enough to denigrate myself enough to share my thoughts with him.
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
Mr. Ross:
To be bluntly honest, I don't really care what your opinions are, except when you try to involve me in them. I challenge you to show where I have ever once defended, followed, or associated myself with the organization Elk Konnected. I do not live in nor do I visit Elk County as much as I used to. The people you credit as being Elk Konnected are not people that I am that familiar with. To my knowledge I have never met nor spoken with Liz Hendricks, David Whetstone, Rudy Taylor or many of the others you think ARE highly involved with that group. The one exception is Ken Liebau. I do know him from being schoolmates back in the 1960's and I have had occasional run-ins with him over the years. I do not have strong opinions about the organization Elk Konnected either favorably or unfavorably. I have taken exception to some of the points you have tried to make in your unending stream of posts, but they have been related to far more topics that just Elk Konnected. As others have also pointed out, whenever anyone disagrees or corrects you on ANY matter, they in your mind become Followers and you label them as such.
This whole is all about Elk Konnected and if you didn't "I don't really care what your opinions are" why read them? You invited yourself on to this thread for some weird reason.
Why is it your business, if like you said, "I do not live in nor do I visit Elk County as much as I used to. The people you credit as being Elk Konnected are not people that I am that familiar with. To my knowledge I have never met nor spoken with Liz Hendricks, David Whetstone, Rudy Taylor or many of the others you think ARE highly involved with that group."
Just what brought you to this thread?
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
It is regretful that your whole way of thinking seems to center so much on what can only be seen as a hatred, yes hatred, for Elk Konnected.
I have only experienced hatred on one occasion in my life time and they was way back in the 1970's and I never want to experience it again. It is simply terrible, and unexplainable. No sir, there has been no hatred involved and apparently you don't understand hatred and I sincerely hope you never do. Do I distrust Elk Konnected, you bet, I do. Why? There is no way of getting a straight answer out of any of them. Now there is big difference between not trusting and hating. How have they in any way shown they can be trusted?
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
Based on all your previous posts on this forum, I am sure that you will promptly respond to this, taking exception to each and every word and sentence, and try to point out that I am full of beans and that you are the only sensible being with anything to say, so go ahead. It is certainly your right to do so, just as it is my right to say first that you are the one full of beans.
Now you are knocking a clear and concise communication technique. Why? Can you not find anything positive in your assaults?
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
To all the other readers: I fully realize that I will be unsuccessful in causing Mr. Ross to see any other view points, other than those he has repeated unendingly on this thread for over a year now. I normally would not even bother responding to him, but it's snowing outside--Hurray, Hurray--and I'm just bored enough to denigrate myself enough to share my thoughts with him.
Don't you mean you will fail because you fail to communicate without communicating, and because you can not make Ross a sheeple?
And Sir, get the facts right, this thread has been running 2 years this coming April.
The actual start date and time is April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 am, you can verify that by going back to page 1 of this thread.
I have thoroughly enjoyed visiting with you and reading your opinions, it has been real entertaining, even though you really have nothing positive to add to the thread from such great distance.
What a flimsy excuse for being here! Isn't the real excuse for being here to put someone down? Do you practice this type of communications on other forums across the country? Makes one wonder, since you say you have no real connections with Elk County. Kansas.
Try to enjoy the snow and have a great afternoon.
It's time for me to go out in the snow and look after my livestock.
I enjoy anything and everything I do.
I have no time for hatred, I'm sorry; I'm the wrong person for that.
It is too time consuming.
Next post will be in response to your request, "I challenge you to show where I have ever once defended, followed, or associated myself with the organization Elk Konnected."
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 01:12:02 PM
Mr. Ross:
I challenge you to show where I have ever once defended, followed, or associated myself with the organization Elk Konnected.
Challenge accepted!
I am not going to go overboard, just a couple of your posts and one is so exaggeratedly long and ludicrous, I'll have to invite people to go look at it. Let's start with it first. It is defending Elk Konnected by the fact it is on this thread.
And defending Elk Konnected by ridiculing the people who are not Elk Konnected. (including myself).
Please click on Quote from: ddurbin on May 31, 2011, 04:50:05 pm in the very next line to go there.
Quote from: ddurbin on May 31, 2011, 04:50:05 PM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. It's too close to dinnertime.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
No. I don't want you to spoil your appetite.
You repeated this sequence above in the one thread far to many times to count or to repost the whole thing.
See here another attack on a poster that questioned Elk Konnecteds methods and purpose.
This is clearly in defense of Elk Konnected.
Quote from: ddurbin on June 04, 2011, 09:07:38 AM
Backing up one post
"The result is that painfully simple questions like, "Who are the official admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC." go unanswered ad infinitum."
Seems the painfully simple question of "Who is Patriot" goes equally unanswered.
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
I think this should be a sufficient response to your Request/Challenge.
Challenge Completed!
Now. I have chores to do out in the snow.
TTYL
Oh, what the heck. I've already gotten into this pissing contest with a skunk, so might as well keep it going.
Ross, you take great liberty in trying to downplay my interest in Elk County. Where did I say that I wasn't interested in what goes on there? I did say I wasn't familiar with certain people you associate as being Elk Konnected. I don't have the inclination right now to go back and try and find the post, but I have pointed out in the past that I was born and raised in Elk County until the age of 21. Then except for three years of living in Iowa, I have spent the rest of my years so far in Cowley County. I wouldn't call that being such a great distance away. I belong to the Elk County Rodeo Assn., the Elk County Historical Society, and the Moline High School Alumni Assn. I have attended 42 out of 43 annual banquets since joining in 1970. Does my belonging to these organizations make me a sheeple? If so, then all the other members must be sheeple as well according to your way of thinking.
My parents lived in Elk County until their passings, my mother in 1998 and my father in 2010. I have a sister still residing there. As I said, I just don't get over there as often as I used to. Never said I didn't have any interests still going on. For the record, I joined this forum in June, 2006. Since your thread does pertain to activities of the Board of County Commissioners, it behooves me to give it some attention and follow the discussions posted here. I do have financial interests in Elk County, and will once again become a taxpayer like yourself in the very near future.
BTW, since you point out that this thread will not pass the 2 year mark until this coming April, you can't really take me to task for saying its been running for over a year. Nice try though.
Also for the record, this is the only forum I belong to and follow. Don't give me more credit than deserved. Seems I've heard that last expression somewhere before.
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
In my opinion, you seem to follow the activities of Elk Konnected far more than anyone posting on this forum.
Of course, things aren't always as they seem.
Meaning what, exactly?
Ross,
Did you enjoy looking at my facebook page? Did you happen to look at my pictures and see my beautiful family members and the new litter of puppies that we have? Did you see my grandson that was born on my birthday? Did you enjoy stalking me on facebook? Do you not have anything else to do, but look at my facebook page?
Just because I have certain people on my friends list does not mean that I am associated with Elk Konnected. These people have been my friends long before Elk Konnected ever came about.
I also checked my facebook settings and my privacy was set to Friends only. I wonder how you accessed my facebook? Interesting.
Would you kindly get yourself a life, Ross, outside of Elk Konnected?
Janet - I wondered about the stalking issue.
Well, since he put that info on the forum, there is always that possibility. However; I would have to report it to the KBI because I don't think our sheriff's office would do anything. But then again, I am in Independence. Maybe the Independence Police Department would be interest. I will have a visit with the chief who is still a friend of mine. Social media stalking. HMMMM!
Janet, start a fund, and I will donate to it.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Social media stalking. HMMMM!
Janet, really?? It might be just as effective to be sure your settings are sealed tight at FB. They've had issues, you know. Of course, the investigative route at taxpayer expense is an option... if you really feel violated. I'm sure FB will be able to determine if your privacy settings have somehow been overridden. Where do I send my fund donation?
Quote from: ddurbin on February 20, 2013, 04:10:02 PM
Meaning what, exactly?
Exactly what it said. Your
opinion is that Ross
seems to be the only one watching. That may really be the case, or it may just seem that way.
Patriot,
Thank you for the advice.
Oh, darn. The Kansas statute for stalking says I have to be in fear for my well-being or fear of the well-being of my family or property. I guess I won't be seeking an investigation because Ross being able to see my facebook does not make me fear anything. Nor do I have anything to hide. No fear. No fear.
However; here is what the Kansas Attorney General puts on his web site about cyberstalking.
http://ag.ks.gov/public-safety/netsafe/internet-safety-for-parents/cyberstalking (http://ag.ks.gov/public-safety/netsafe/internet-safety-for-parents/cyberstalking)
Interesting to say the least.
Oh, but, wait. Have we managed to get off the Elk Konnected topic? Dang it. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 04:20:44 PM
Ross,
Did you enjoy looking at my facebook page?
Well yes, I enjoyed the fact that I found all your Konnections.
It did not take long and I was not interested in going through all 1368 of your friends. I only wanted to document a few that are apparently Konnected to show your association with Elk Konnected. I bet there were more.
Did you happen to look up what the word associated means?
The reason for this was because of this comment of denial, any way that's what I see it as:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 04:48:51 PM
Again, Ross, I am not associated with Elk Konnected or anybody in that organization or company or whatever you want to call it. That thread was started by me for my knowledge to see if what I was told was correct or incorrect.
Oh, that thread was set up by you the day before the 12 or so folks went to the county commissioners begging to save the Elk County Youth Development Position in an attempt to set me up.
You already had the answer you were looking for and posted that answer after I refused to respond.
How sweet that was, a complete flop, because you were assuming the wrong thing.
But let's leave it up to all the readers to make up their own mind on the subject, okay?
[quote author=Janet Harrington link=topic=11780.msg205127#msg205127
Did you happen to look at my pictures and see my beautiful family members and the new litter of puppies that we have? Did you see my grandson that was born on my birthday?
No Janet, I did not look at your pictures, they were of no interest to me. Only some of the friends that are most likely Elk Konnected. I did not cruise any other part of your facebook, I was not interested.
Quote from: Janet Harrington link=topic=11780.msg205127#msg205127
Did you enjoy stalking me on facebook? Do you not have anything else to do, but look at my facebook page?
/quote]
It's not called stalking, you left it open for the public.
I'm sure if it legally qualified as stalking you would have already had someone arrest me.
Open to the public means anyone from here to China is welcome to have a look.
Great try at another smear!
So how does it feel, I believe you acquired information that was not public information about me, but you see, I did not do that to you.
Is that another method of the Followers?
Okay?
Let's review the set up Okay?
You started the thread and this was the first post:
Quoteauthor=Janet Harrington link=topic=14994.msg204510#msg204510 date=1360533060]
This is to Ross.
Have you not seen any positive things come from this youth development program? Any at all?
I politely responded:
Quoteauthor=ROSS link=topic=14994.msg204549#msg204549 date=1360619173]
I have been exceptionally busy with personal business.
Besides, I had not noticed this thread.
I do believe Janet that i have covered your question quit extensively on the following thread:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
And you came back with what you already knew:
Quoteauthor=Janet Harrington link=topic=14994.msg204564#msg204564 date=1360629581]
Here is what I was looking for.
They abolished the Youth Development position that provide very little for very few youth on a very sporadic basis. Which was very expensive to the taxpayer. This came from your post on the Elk County Handout page which I can take as reporting to us (the people), that the abolishment of the Youth Development was for the good of us (the people).
Now, my question to you, Ross, is this...wasn't your son one of those very few youth that benefited from programs associated with the youth development? Did your son receive any positive benefit by going to Lawrence for the camp thing that was sponsored by the youth development and grant money? If I am mistaken about your child being a receipient of this camp (I think it was an art thing, I'm not sure), then I apologize for my intel being incorrect.
Didn't you write a positive letter to Jennifer Montgomery about this camp?
Just asking.
And during all that time I recieved a lot of bad mouthing for being polite.
But yet, I politely responded with the exception of one little line. :
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Here is what I was looking for.
They abolished the Youth Development position that provide very little for very few youth on a very sporadic basis. Which was very expensive to the taxpayer. This came from your post on the Elk County Handout page which I can take as reporting to us (the people), that the abolishment of the Youth Development was for the good of us (the people).
Now, my question to you, Ross, is this...wasn't your son one of those very few youth that benefited from programs associated with the youth development? Did your son receive any positive benefit by going to Lawrence for the camp thing that was sponsored by the youth development and grant money? If I am mistaken about your child being a receipient of this camp (I think it was an art thing, I'm not sure), then I apologize for my intel being incorrect.
Didn't you write a positive letter to Jennifer Montgomery about this camp?
Just asking.
Just asking, my ass.
I figured you were trying to set me up, that is why I responded the way I did.
Nice try.
And I do not appologize for my earlier responses.
So you are in contact with Elk Konnected, nice.
Yes, my son did go!
Yes, I thanked Jennifer for her efforts taking care of the kids.
Yes, I believe her and her mother and someone else got a free trip as fancy babysitters to escort the kids.
DId Elk County Youth Development do anything to acquire this trip?
NO!
It was donated and set up by the windfarm owners.
The privately owned Elk Konnected, LLC could have just as easily accepted the task, if they were really out there for the benefit of the kids.
You are welcome to return to the Elk Konnected Hand Out Thread.
Just as a reminder it is at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.5240.html [/auote]
And you responded:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 12, 2013, 04:43:14 PM
I get so tired of reading that garbage.
Anyway, thank you for being honest that your son did benefit from this trip even if the windfarm people were the sponsors. I understand he is a very outstanding young man.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
Just because I have certain people on my friends list does not mean that I am associated with Elk Konnected. These people have been my friends long before Elk Konnected ever came about.
I also checked my facebook settings and my privacy was set to Friends only. I wonder how you accessed my facebook? Interesting.
Would you kindly get yourself a life, Ross, outside of Elk Konnected?
I guess you don't comprehend the meaning of the word associated,
I suggest you look up the meaning.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 20, 2013, 04:54:58 PM
Janet - I wondered about the stalking issue.
There is none!
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 05:11:53 PM
Well, since he put that info on the forum, there is always that possibility. However; I would have to report it to the KBI because I don't think our sheriff's office would do anything. But then again, I am in Independence. Maybe the Independence Police Department would be interest. I will have a visit with the chief who is still a friend of mine. Social media stalking. HMMMM!
That's what I was talking about calling your cop buddies. He probably burst your bubble by telling that it was not stalking.
Quote from: ELK@KC on February 20, 2013, 05:23:27 PM
Janet, start a fund, and I will donate to it.
That would be the Konnected Follower way wouldn't it?
A liberal waste of money.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
I also checked my facebook settings and my privacy was set to Friends only. I wonder how you accessed my facebook? Interesting.
I don't believe that for one minute.
But boy, I bet they are now.
Let me check and see, okay.
Nope not secure yet. Anyone can go there.
You might want to check that out with someone.
Hey¸ do me a favor and check my facebook please?
I think I am pretty secure.
See if you can prove me wrong.
Tell me how many friends I have.
I do think. I have mine pretty secure.
Ya, gotta check everytime facebook updates something.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 20, 2013, 04:30:12 PM
Would you kindly get yourself a life, Ross, outside of Elk Konnected?
Oh, I have a fantastic life.
I am not inside Elk Konnected.
They probably would not have me, because I am too honest and ask too many questions.
But thank you for worrying about my life, that is real kind of you.
Perhaps however your advice would be better used by yourself.
Just saying.
Trying to set me up is what started all this and I sure bet you wish you had never done that.
Some may want to reread Ross' original rant about the camp that Janet asked him about. Here it is: (I increased the font slightly so it's easier to read in the purple background.)
Quote from: ROSS on May 03, 2012, 07:23:39 AM
I am proud to report, my son brought home an application from school for what is called
Elk County/ Lawrence Art Center /Summer Camp which is being Sponsored and (probably instigated) by the WindFarm.
This I believe is an actual and positive, youth development event.
The children 7th through 12th grade will be staying on campus at the University of Kansas. Which most likely is an experience in and of itself.
Transportation will be provided by the Elk Valley School District which is located in Longton, Kansas.
I believe this activity really would qualify more as Child Development, unlike the local Summer Day Camp, which appears to be more of a daycare or baby sitting event, with cheap toys used for entertaining children.
This apparently happened last year, however, my child did not bring home the application last year. The sad thing is only 30 children get to participate.
And it's on a first come/first serve basis.
I would like to know, WHO made this decision, and WHY?
It leaves open the door for the suggestion of more favoritism, cronyism and the such.
What if, 60 applications are received at the very same time delivered by the mail carrier.
Who, then chooses who goes?
Well, my bet is those thirty or the majority will be West Elk Students and perhaps Elk Konnected, LLC Children. Because, they are right there in Howard, where they have the advantage of getting their applications in first, to the court house and may even have early insider information, and possible early access to the applications, especially since our Youth Development Employee is on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee Member. I hope you can see that the Elk Konnected Children have an even better advantage because of being Konnected.
What, I believe would be fair would be a public drawing of names from a hat at a County Commissioner Meeting with a member of the audience drawing the names.
Also, children that have already attended the camp should be disallowed to enter,
thus providing all of Elk County children an equal opportunity to win one of the thirty position of going to this limited County Supported, Summer Camp.
,
I don't like putting a damper on a good thing and really I'm not, what I am suggesting is that ALL County Children should be treated equally.
Remember, we have Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee and Konnected West Elk School Board President and possibly a few other Konnected good old boy & girls, right? To me they haven't shown that they can be trusted, so I believe the only fair thing for all the county's children would be a\the suggested drawing presented at a County Commissioners meeting with an audience member drawing the names. Fair is fair, right folks. Let's see if fairness can happen in Elk County?
And what about the disadvantaged children, who's parent's may not be able to afford the $10 dollar transportation fee? Couldn't the Konnected Youth Development Employee ask the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to provide that funding from the County's Recreation Fund? Giving the disadvantage children an equal opportunity. Instead of providing those funds to Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Just where is the FAIRNESS in the "Beggar-Thy-Neighbor" programs for All the CHILDREN OF Elk COUNTY ?
Perhaps: Food for thought.
This is an election year and your vote will be very important, at least on the local level.
You can make a big difference.
NO, I am not going to be running for County Commissioner.
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Ross, reply 5349 needs some serious editing to show what is from a previous post and what you have added.
The only thing I will say about this whole Facebook conversation is this: I can type in Janet's name and not find one shred of anything about her on there, but this is because we used to be friends on there and then for whatever reason I was blocked. But I can sign into Robert's account and type in Janet's name and see all 1,367 of her friends. So for whatever reason, privacy settings must not include people not being able to see if you have common friends or just look to see who you are friends with in general. So, no laws were broken since apparently it's public information.---Jennifer L. Walker
Quote from: kshillbillys on February 20, 2013, 09:18:27 PM
The only thing I will say about this whole Facebook conversation is this: I can type in Janet's name and not find one shred of anything about her on there, but this is because we used to be friends on there and then for whatever reason I was blocked. But I can sign into Robert's account and type in Janet's name and see all 1,367 of her friends. So for whatever reason, privacy settings must not include people not being able to see if you have common friends or just look to see who you are friends with in general. So, no laws were broken since apparently it's public information.---Jennifer L. Walker
Hey, nice post.
Would you do me a favor and check my facebook, see if it is open to you.
It shouldn't be.
My facebook is only relatives neices and nephews and great neoces and nephews, there are a lot.
I don't friend everyone in the universe.
Thanks.
Nope Ross...you are completely invisible to me!---Jennifer
Quote from: kshillbillys on February 20, 2013, 09:47:43 PM
Nope Ross...you are completely invisible to me!---Jennifer
Thanks Jennifer, I have often wondered if I had done it right.
Good night everyone.
Good night Elk Konnected and Followers.
Quote from: ROSS on February 20, 2013, 10:00:54 PM
Good night everyone.
Good night Elk Konnected and Followers.
Hey Ross, didn't you forget something there? Didn't you mean "Good night everyone
who agrees with me"?
Just asking. Don't you agree it's blatently clear that there are only two types of people on this Forum - the handful that agree with you, and all the rest that get labled Elk Konnected members or followers since they have the audacity to not agree with you?
Just asking questions.
Good white wintery Morning.
I don't believe I have ever seen anything like what is happeniing outside this morning.
First snow and now thunder and lightning and ice.
But I'm thankful for the moisture and the nitrogen in it.
I hope
every one stays safe today.
Now to respond to Flints last post last night night post.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 20, 2013, 10:07:52 PM
Hey Ross, didn't you forget something there? Didn't you mean "Good night everyone who agrees with me"?
Just asking. Don't you agree it's blatently clear that there are only two types of people on this Forum - the handful that agree with you, and all the rest that get labled Elk Konnected members or followers since they have the audacity to not agree with you?
Just asking questions.
I agree with you.
And You must be right Flint because you keep saying it.
I believe it is called attitude.
Followers attitude.
Attitude which has been nasty with name calling and put downs snd bullying and hiding behind, I'm not Elk Konnected.
As well as being sore losers and slamming the good "Quality of Life Changes" made by the non-konnected County Commissioners.
I know it hurts to lose but the bad attitude is not really necessary is it?
Oh making false accusations, such as cyberstalking and making threats of going to the cops in Independence. What attitude!
But I suppose it is hard to break an old habit.
Whatever happened to the threat of we are printing
All your post for a possible lawsuit later? It's later now. What happened to the threat?
Didn't work did it?
Just bad attitude in my opinion.
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I can't check your facebook, Ross, because I do not know your name. I just know Ross. However, I have no interest in whether I can see your facebook or not because I don't care.
To Jennifer, I don't know why you can't see me. I don't believe I have you blocked, but maybe I do. I don't know. Anyway, I have checked my facebook and all my settings say Friends only, so I don't know why anyone but friends can see it. I'll do some more looking.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 21, 2013, 05:40:51 PM
I can't check your facebook, Ross, because I do not know your name. I just know Ross. However, I have no interest in whether I can see your facebook or not because I don't care.
To Jennifer, I don't know why you can't see me. I don't believe I have you blocked, but maybe I do. I don't know. Anyway, I have checked my facebook and all my settings say Friends only, so I don't know why anyone but friends can see it. I'll do some more looking.
That's okay. thanks anyway.
Jennifer checked it for me and I have all my protections set.
She had my full name and could not even find me.
Ross, you said, "Trying to set me up is what started all this and I sure bet you wish you had never done that".
I will repeat this one more time, I did not try to set you up. I was asking you a question and I wanted an honest answer, which it is obvious I didn't get.
Good night. Have fun with this thread.
One thing about it - you sure revealed your liberal leanings.
Guess we could to give Ross the credit for smoking you out.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 21, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
Ross, you said, "Trying to set me up is what started all this and I sure bet you wish you had never done that".
Nope. I don't regret it. Your attempt at trying to hurt me failed. And again you failed by trying to accuse me of cyber stalking, that failed as well. The truth hurts and I am sorry it hurt you, but it was of your own doing.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 21, 2013, 07:00:41 PM
I will repeat this one more time, I did not try to set you up. I was asking you a question and I wanted an honest answer, which it is obvious I didn't get.
Good night. Have fun with this thread.
Keep repeating it, that does not change anything.
I bet you wish you had never done that, now!
That's your story and you are going to stick to it.
And I don't blame you for trying.
All the documentation is there for people to read.
It doesn't matter to me, but it is out there.
Start a new thread directed at me with the first post.
I respond, that the answer is over here on this thread.
You then ask specific questions that you already had on your mind when you started the thread.
And to top that off you already had the answers.
And you thanked me for answering honestly.
Now you are saying you didn't get an honest answer, what's with that?
And then you accuse me of cyber stalking even though had been or are a Police officer without understanding the meaning of the word stalking. Now, I find that to be really weird.
And the other word you did not seen to comprehend, which is really simple, associated as in association
with Elk Konnected. And I am sure you really believe there is no association. That a shame.
You come on this thread defending Elk Konnected and putting people down and try to set me up,
naw, no association.
Good night to you too!
And I will have fun with this thread as long as necessary, I enjoy the name calling and bullying and denial of being a follower I receive frequently and even the smear jobs aimed at me, I find it all rather humorous.
So thank you. I'll continue to have fun. Thank you, thank you.
Your opinions are your opinions
And
My opinions are my opinions
Let's just leave it at that, Okay.
I rewrote the above post.
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 21, 2013, 07:12:05 PM
One thing about it - you sure revealed your liberal leanings.
Guess we could to give Ross the credit for smoking you out.
You know, sir or ma'am, I don't know you and Ross didn't smoke anything out about me. I do not have liberal leanings. For crying out loud, I am a tried and true Republican and Catholic. Where do you see liberal in that?
All I wanted to know if he had seen anything positive from the Youth Development program. He did. He said he did. I didn't try to set him up. I just wanted an answer. However; I had to pull it out of him. He wants everyone to think Elk Konnected and this Youth Development program is something wrong, but his child did benefit from going to this camp in Lawrence. I am happy for him. I hope his child gets to do many more things.
Ross says, And then you accuse me of cyber stalking even though had been or are a Police officer without understanding the meaning of the word stalking. Now, I find that to be really weird.
I was trying to be funny about the cyberstalking with Mom70X7 who gets my humor ever if you don't. And I have never been a Police Officer. I was an ELECTED SHERIFF IN AN ELECTED OFFICE IN ELK COUNTY. Golly gee, learn the difference, will ya'?
Ross says, And the other word you did not seen to comprehend, which is really simple, associated as in association
with Elk Konnected. And I am sure you really believe there is no association. That a shame.
You come on this thread defending Elk Konnected and putting people down and try to set me up,
naw, no association.
Again, just because friends of mine on Facebook say they are Elk Konnected does not mean I am associated with Elk Konnected. I don't give a rat's butt about Elk Konnected. If I did, I would join. As for defending Elk Konnected, all I asked is if you saw any benefit to the youth development program and when it was all said and done, you had. But you kindly informed me that the trip to the camp at Lawrence was sponsored by the Wind Farm, so where is that Elk Konnected? You confuse me.
Again, I did not try to set you up, just asked a question. If I wanted to set you up, I would have strung it along for several, several, several, posts. As for what I wanted to learn, you did have something positive happen from the trip to Lawrence and I am so glad that your child got to participate.
I apologize to the readers that this isn't really fancy and picked apart sentence by sentence like Ross does because I am not as experienced in quoting posts.
I did get you to not do something for awhile, Ross. You left Diane, ddurbin and flintauqua alone for a little while. BAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
You know, sir or ma'am, I don't know you and Ross didn't smoke anything out about me. I do not have liberal leanings. For crying out loud, I am a tried and true Republican and Catholic. Where do you see liberal in that?
This above information above is none of my business and therefore will not comment about it.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
All I wanted to know if he had seen anything positive from the Youth Development program. He did. He said he did. I didn't try to set him up.
I am tired of being diplomatic or nice whatever you wish to call it. In my opinion, you lie about this whole situation. And anyone can go back and read it for themselves.
You asked by starting an un=needed new thread aimed at me.
I responded check this thread.
You posted about my son.
That was the setup.
Then I responded it was all thanks to the wind farm which arranged and paid for it.
What is it that you don't understand?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
I just wanted an answer. However; I had to pull it out of him.
You mean you tried to set me up, with information you already had and it did not work;
After your unsolicited remarks about my son I then I responded it was all thanks to the wind farm which arranged and paid for it.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
He wants everyone to think Elk Konnected and this Youth Development program is something wrong,
In my opinion there was. Elk Konnected used our County Youth Development Employee to gain credit for the Summer Day Camps that were provided by the county. And I believe they made money off of the programs, just my opinion.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 05:56:04 PM
but his child did benefit from going to this camp in Lawrence.[/b] I am happy for him. I hope his child gets to do many more things.
Yes my son did benefit from the Wind Farm trip to the camp in Lawrence. By the way doesn't Lawrence get any credit f having it? There you go!
My Thanks to Lawrence and the Wind Farm.
I already thanked the paid escorts/babysitters, but thanks for a job well done. I hope you enjoyed your paid trip to camp.
And it was all thanks to the wind farm which arranged and paid for it.
What is it that you don't understand about that.
Are you gonna keep beating this dead horse as a Follower?
Yes, I proved you are a Follower, and that is apparently why you keep beating this dead horse. Can't you see it does not help but hinders those that you Follow.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
Ross says, And then you accuse me of cyber stalking even though had been or are a Police officer without understanding the meaning of the word stalking. Now, I find that to be really weird.
I was trying to be funny about the cyberstalking with Mom70X7 who gets my humor ever if you don't. And I have never been a Police Officer. I was an ELECTED SHERIFF IN AN ELECTED OFFICE IN ELK COUNTY. Golly gee, learn the difference, will ya'?
An LEO is an LEO. And I guess you are a use to be LEO. What's weird about you not understanding what cyber stalking amounts to? Down below you state you don't know how to do a simple quote. So you try to communicate by typing, "Ross says". Quoting does not change the words of the person you are quoting and allows a link to click on for reference. Much more sanitary, don't ya reckon? I'll give you a start on quoting in a little bit, Okay?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
Ross says, And the other word you did not seen to comprehend, which is really simple, associated as in association
with Elk Konnected. And I am sure you really believe there is no association. That a shame.
You come on this thread defending Elk Konnected and putting people down and try to set me up,
naw, no association.
Again, just because friends of mine on Facebook say they are Elk Konnected does not mean I am associated with Elk Konnected. I don't give a rat's butt about Elk Konnected. If I did, I would join.
An association is an association, sorry about that!There is no joining, just Following and I think you know that. At least as an ex-sheriff having read this thread I would like to think you would have figured that out.
If you do not, "I don't give a rat's butt about Elk Konnected." Why all the B.S. defending it and trying to put me down?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
As for defending Elk Konnected, all I asked is if you saw any benefit to the youth development program and when it was all said and done, you had. But you kindly informed me that the trip to the camp at Lawrence was sponsored by the Wind Farm, so where is that Elk Konnected? You confuse me.
Clearly the Wind Farm is a multi million dollar privately owned company that can afford really tax deductions such as paying for the trip to Lawrence, is that understandable?
Elk Konnected, LLC is in Howard, it has a Howard address. Elk Konnected is a privately owned company that produces nothing that I can see, no wind energy, no oil, no yoyo's, nothing. Personally I see them as a leach always with their hand out.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
Again, I did not try to set you up, just asked a question. If I wanted to set you up, I would have strung it along for several, several, several, posts. As for what I wanted to learn, you did have something positive happen from the trip to Lawrence and I am so glad that your child got to participate.
Keep repeating that and you may actually convince yourself, but no one else that has any sense that read the thread. Good luck trying!
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
I apologize to the readers that this isn't really fancy and picked apart sentence by sentence like Ross does because I am not as experienced in quoting posts.
I said earlier in this post I would give you a hint, Here it is.
Every post has a little button in the upper right hand corner that says
QUOTE Click that button and bingo a new window opens up all set to go. Just a little playing with it will go a long way. Good luck learning a new experience.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 22, 2013, 06:31:42 PM
I did get you to not do something for awhile, Ross. You left Diane, ddurbin and flintauqua alone for a little while. BAHAHAHAHA!
Now that is just plumb immature.
I don't go out of my way to bother them.
If you would not have posted this I wouldn't have a need to respond now would I.
They have to post if they want me to respond, right?
Let's rty the real subject of this thread and forget about me. what do you say?
Let's bury this dead horse, okay? I don't want to see it do any further damage to you.
By the way what is Elk Konnected for the "Quality of Life" In Elk County they post on their web page?
Do you even know what they mean by that?
Do you know if they have any real plans laid out to improve the "Quality of Life" In Elk County?
Do you know if they have any more lollipop's as discussed in this thread?
Ross - Just because you say someone is Konnected or a Follower, does not make it so.
Anyone who says anything that you do not agree with immediately gets labled, by you and you alone, as Konnected or a Follower.
This simply is not the case, and the more you try to do it, the more foolish you look to all but a handful of people who read this Forum.
And calling the immediate past, multi-term elected Sheriff of Elk County a liar, while lumping her in with any and all other LEO's is just so patently wrong, the only way to explain it is to realize that no one on this Earth is more narcissisticly paranoid than you.
There is for sure at least one person on this forum that is disconnected!
There's no sense in allowing anyone to wonder whether one is a member of Elk Konnected or not.
I'm not a member and I would not even consider joining such a communist organization as that.
However, it appears to me that there are quite a few on here that have a special closenness to EK.
BTW, being the immediate past sheriff or a Republican or a catholic does not make one conservative.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 23, 2013, 02:56:22 AM
Ross - Just because you say someone is Konnected or a Follower, does not make it so.
You are absolutly right!
Actions speak louder than words!
Why are people ashamed to admit being a Follower?
Isn't EK suppose to be the greatest thing to hit Elk County?
If so why deny it?
I just don't understand.
Please clue me in?
Quote from: greatguns on February 23, 2013, 06:27:54 AM
There is for sure at least one person on this forum that is disconnected!
So you are Konnected, isn't that what you are saying?
What does that mean?
What are you Konnected with?
Who are you Konnected with?
What is it that you do being Konnected?
Just what is the signicance of being Konnected?
Or are you now going to deny being konnected and avoid answering the above questions?
Seriously what does it all mean?
Clue me and everyone else in please?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 23, 2013, 02:56:22 AM
And calling the immediate past, multi-term elected Sheriff of Elk County a liar, while lumping her in with any and all other LEO's is just so patently wrong, the only way to explain it is to realize that no one on this Earth is more narcissisticly paranoid than you.
Nice writing, but just plain twisting of words like a good follower.
A LEO is LEO right? A Law Enforcement Officer, right?
And an Ex Law Enforcement Officer is an Ex Law Enforcement Officer right?
Immediate past or 20 years past makes no difference. Past is past.
An ex sheriff can no longer legally call themselves Sheriff can they?
An ex County Commissioner should not ethically continue to advertise themselves as a County Commissioner after they are out of office should they?
But anyway if she lied, she lied let all the people that read this thread make their own decision all the information is on this thread for any reasonable person to think for themselves.
The truth hurts doesn't if?
And all your fancy word twisting and name calling won't change it will it?
You do not have the qualifications to diagnose mental illness and although Shrinks have a long standing profession, they prove every day they don't know what they are talking about. They can not agree on their own diagnoses. We as sheeple have been brain washed to think they able to cure or help mental illness. If they really were any good their patients would not commit suicide, now would they?
For instance, if you really think they know what they are doing perhaps you should see one about the problem you have of thinking you can diagnose people over the internet.
If you don't seek help for this problem of internet diagnosis, then the only problem left is bullying by name calling as I see it.
If you are not an EK Follower why all the name calling and attacking on this thread, that has been their method since this thread got started.
There are many other threads to visit, don't you know?
What is Elk Konnected, LLC doing these days?
Do they have anything going on, are we being kept in suspence for their next great move?
When is the next Kommunity Konversation?
Oop's I forgot Followers aren't privy to insider information!
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's my psychoticness (not a word, I know, it's my word), showing.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 23, 2013, 06:40:15 AM
There's no sense in allowing anyone to wonder whether one is a member of Elk Konnected or not.
I'm not a member and I would not even consider joining such a communist organization as that.
However, it appears to me that there are quite a few on here that have a special closenness to EK.
BTW, being the immediate past sheriff or a Republican or a catholic does not make one conservative.
So, enlighten me as to what makes one a conservative, redcliffsw? Please.
Quote from: ROSS on February 23, 2013, 08:45:18 AM
An ex sheriff can no longer legally call themselves Sheriff can they?
When have I ever called myself Sheriff on this forum? I have said used to be sheriff, used to be. Haven't been for 8 years and I am so happy because then I don't have to deal with you in that aspect.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 23, 2013, 11:48:14 AM
When have I ever called myself Sheriff on this forum? I have said used to be sheriff, used to be. Haven't been for 8 years and I am so happy because then I don't have to deal with you in that aspect.
See how confused you are?
The remark was made to Flintaqua's remark and I did not reference you at all.
Oh, that's right Flintaqua referenced you in his remark didn't he?
But i didn't, did I.
So I guess this post mut be addressing him. I'm Sorry you felt slighted.
Maybe Flintaqua will apologize.
Read post from: flintauqua on Today at 02:56:22 am
But while I am here, have you heard anything about EK and their plans for stronger families in Elk County?
What are they doing to make families stronger and how?
Deflect, Deflect, Deflect
Quote from: flintauqua on February 23, 2013, 01:13:40 PM
Deflect, Deflect, Deflect
Good one, flintauqua. LOL It no matter what he thinks. Don't care.
Quote from: ROSS on February 23, 2013, 12:28:33 PM
See how confused you are?
The remark was made to Flintaqua's remark and I did not reference you at all.
Oh, that's right Flintaqua referenced you in his remark didn't he?
But i didn't, did I.
So I guess this post mut be addressing him. I'm Sorry you felt slighted.
Maybe Flintaqua will apologize.
Read post from: flintauqua on Today at 02:56:22 am
But while I am here, have you heard anything about EK and their plans for stronger families in Elk County?
What are they doing to make families stronger and how?
So, why is it not okay for me to comment on something that you responded to on flintauqua, but it is okay for you, sir, to comment on something that I responded to from redcliffsw? I guess you think you rule this thread????? BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 23, 2013, 02:03:17 PM
So, why is it not okay for me to comment on something that you responded to on flintauqua, but it is okay for you, sir, to comment on something that I responded to from redcliffsw? I guess you think you rule this thread????? BAHAHAHAHAHA!
Oh, It is definitly okay.
You can comment on anything your little heart desires.
Inever said you could not respond to anything.
That is in your imagination.
You did quote me in your response, therefore I responded.
And I never did accuse you of calling yourself sheriff on this thread or anywhere else.
I will say you never respond to any questions about EK in the last few post I have made, why?
That leaves me to presume you have no real answers.
How does it feel to be an outsider as far as the prexstigeous EK is concerned?
This thread's main topic is about Ek and not about me or you.
And it really shouldn't be about bullying or name calling, now should it?
Yes, you can post whatever you want as long as the owners of this forum don't oblect.
You see, I don't have no say in what or how you post, simple isn't it.
I am so sorry you assumed i had any say.
.
But back to the main topic EK, why don't you share your knowledge of them with us.
You know, I have seen that "BAHAHAHAHAHA!" before and I have always considered it rather lame. Just for your information. It is far worse than LOL, IMO.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 23, 2013, 01:13:40 PM
Deflect, Deflect, Deflect
What are you deflecting Flint.
That is senseless, like failing to recognize this threads main topic as EK.
And that you can not add anything to that topic.
Deflect what? Deflect EK? Deflect from their failures? Deflect what?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 23, 2013, 01:53:38 PM
Good one, flintauqua. LOL It no matter what he thinks. Don't care.
Oh, come on Janet we all know you care.
You are keeping this thing going, showing that you care.
What good about typing Deflect, Deflect, Deflect, good job doing repetition?
Or are you just being a cheerleader?
Now that's not name calling, but asking a very good question.
Go, go, go!
See, I can do repetition too?
Is that a good one to Janet?
How's that EK thing working on the West Elk school board?
They don't have the numbers to control the West Elk school board yet do they?
I fhope folks remember that when ever it's time to vote for new school board members and maybe even reduce the number of EK people on the school board.
Unless they want higher property taxes.
What do you think about that?
Have you read
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15058.0.html
I learned the BAHAHAHAHAHAHA from a couple of twin girls that grew up here in Elk County. They always use it. I think it is funny. Of course you would consider it lame. But, then I don't care what you think.
Why haven't I answer questions about EK? EK as in Elk County or in EK as in Elk Konnected? Which is it? State what you mean, sir.
I don't answer questions about Elk Konnected because I do not know any answers. I have posted that before. I don't know anything about Elk Konnected nor di I give a "rat's butt". There. How many more times do I need to say it?
Matthew 19:13-15.
Jesus Blesses the Children
13 One day some parents brought their children to Jesus so he could lay his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples scolded the parents for bothering him.
14 But Jesus said, "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children." 15 And he placed his hands on their heads and blessed them before he left.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 23, 2013, 07:26:13 PM
Matthew 19:13-15.
Jesus Blesses the Children
13 One day some parents brought their children to Jesus so he could lay his hands on them and pray for them. But the disciples scolded the parents for bothering him.
14 But Jesus said, "Let the children come to me. Don't stop them! For the Kingdom of Heaven belongs to those who are like these children." 15 And he placed his hands on their heads and blessed them before he left.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The real version is IMHO:
Matthew 19:13-15
King James Version (KJV)
13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.
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I just don't understand your confusion.
But that is a subject for the religious thread, now isn't it?
Don't you realize this is the political thread?
The religious thread is at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/board,12.0.html
How would I know? I can't even set my Facebook to private, so you can't look at it.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 23, 2013, 08:08:13 PM
How would I know? I can't even set my Facebook to private, so you can't look at it.
So ask your kid for help.
I've learned this stuff by asking questions and reading and studying.
Try that and good luck.
Perhaps that guy in China might stop spying on you.
But still you can not respond about EK, why is that?
Come to Elk County where we eat our young. Please don't take this thread as the real Elk County. This thread has been going on way too long.
JPjr
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 24, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Come to Elk County where we eat our young. Please don't take this thread as the real Elk County. This thread has been going on way too long.
JPjr
With just
two (2) posts on the forum as of today what makes you an
expert on this forum or this thread? I bet you are a Follower and
long time poster here on the forum that has signed on again with
a new moniker to continue telling other people what to do and what to think.
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post. I ask them to think for themselves.
But you come on here and say shut it down.
Why? Are you offended?
If so offended by what?
The truth?The owners of this forum are the only one's to be the judge of whether to shut this thread down or not, aren't they?It's not about the young.It's about the adults (elite) that want to
exploit the young to grab money and want to control the county by using children. It's politics using children. If you pay attention to national news even the Federal Government is guilty of using children to advance their goals.
Elk County is a beautiful county and a great place to live.
The majority of people that live here are decent, and great down to earth people.
We just have a few elite that want to bring big city attitudes and thinking to rural America. They are greatly disconnected from the rest of the county and country living, IMHO.
Was Elk County exploiting their children 7 or 8 years ago?
IMHO, No! Just give that some thought?It's not at all about the children, it's about
politics using children as pawns
by a few people.I am a nobody, a redneck hick that enjoys the simple and great lifestyle life that is available here in Elk County. As far as the name calling, if what I have just said, means I have a big head or a huge ego, then I accept that as a compliment afforded me by living in this beautiful country side of Elk County.
Sure I make errors, I make mistakes and I admit to them,
I am human.Yes. It's alright with me if you have a desire to use me as a verbal punching bag, I am not offended. It appears to be the way of the Elk Konnected Followers way. And this way no body else takes a brutal whipping, don't you see!
To really understand what is really going on read this thread starting at the beginning where it clearly shows the idea of getting rid of the city councils and shifting that power in a sense to Howard. And read the rest of the B.S. posted there.
I hope everyone out there has a great day today and prepares for the coming blizzard.
That is what I will be doing. Bye-Bye.
Quote from: ROSS on February 23, 2013, 09:02:17 PM
So ask your kid for help.
I've learned this stuff by asking questions and reading and studying.
Try that and good luck.
Perhaps that guy in China might stop spying on you.
But still you can not respond about EK, why is that?
My kid? My kid? You really don't know me, do you. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 24, 2013, 12:41:35 PM
My kid? My kid? You really don't know me, do you. BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No I really don't know you or you me.
If you need help with your computer ask a teenager or someone that can teach or show you how to do it.
Nothing funny in learning is there.
Quantity does NOT equal quality.
Quote from: Wilma on February 24, 2013, 04:11:32 PM
Quantity does NOT equal quality.
That's a fact this thread pointed out about Elk KonnectedLLC.
The massive amount of failures by Elk Konnected, LLC IMO definitely does not equal any kind of quality, don't you agree?
Their total lack of communicating with the citizens of Elk County is also another quantity that lacks quality, right?
And especially the quantity of using children to further what ever goals they are not talking about also lacks quality in my books.
You sure broached a good point Wilma.
Have you seen anything in the newspaper in the last couple of months about Elk Konnected, LLC ?
Do ya reckon the editor got tired of writing about Elk Konnected, LLC?
Can you possibly tell me what Elk Konnected, LLC produces that is of any quality?
Is Elk Konnected. LLC even capable of accomplishing anything?
I'm sorry I forgot Elk Konnected, LLC produced a President for Public Squares Communities, Ine and the founder had told us she would not benefit from running Elk Konnected, LLC. I did let that slip my mind.
That is the only thing I can attribute to Elk Konnected, LLC that was good for someone.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
But how does that help the economics or population growth in Elk County?
Was that good to produce a President for a Company in Wichita County?
That being Public Squares Communities, Inc.
How does Elk County benefit from that?
I don't see it.
Quote from: ROSS on February 24, 2013, 04:49:23 PM
Do ya reckon the editor got tired of writing about Elk Konnected, LLC?
Possibly, but I'm told that the recent back page shows that he runs a paper that's truly 'of the elite, by the elite and for the elite.'
News? Not for the masses, that's for sure. Bird cage lining? Most likely.
Quote from: ROSS on February 24, 2013, 04:57:27 PM
How does Elk County benefit from that?
I don't see it.
That's often the saddest thing about failed liberal elitist policies & plans... the elitists behind them often never see, let alone admit or learn from, the failures. Perhaps that's because they got some personal gain or promotion in the process and they believe that counts as the success in their failure.
Let's all bow our heads and pray.
Please, Lord, help Ross to get answer to all his questions about Elk Konnected, so that he will rest easier about the whole world. In Jesus name we pray, Amen. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Quote from: ROSS on February 24, 2013, 08:45:19 AM
With just two (2) posts on the forum as of today what makes you an expert on this forum or this thread? I bet you are a Follower and long time poster here on the forum that has signed on again with a new moniker to continue telling other people what to do and what to think.
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post. I ask them to think for themselves.
But you come on here and say shut it down. Why? Are you offended?
If so offended by what? The truth?
The owners of this forum are the only one's to be the judge of whether to shut this thread down or not, aren't they?
It's not about the young.
It's about the adults (elite) that want to exploit the young to grab money and want to control the county by using children. It's politics using children. If you pay attention to national news even the Federal Government is guilty of using children to advance their goals.
Elk County is a beautiful county and a great place to live.
The majority of people that live here are decent, and great down to earth people.
We just have a few elite that want to bring big city attitudes and thinking to rural America. They are greatly disconnected from the rest of the county and country living, IMHO.
Was Elk County exploiting their children 7 or 8 years ago?
IMHO, No! Just give that some thought?
It's not at all about the children, it's about politics using children as pawns by a few people.
I am a nobody, a redneck hick that enjoys the simple and great lifestyle life that is available here in Elk County. As far as the name calling, if what I have just said, means I have a big head or a huge ego, then I accept that as a compliment afforded me by living in this beautiful country side of Elk County.
Sure I make errors, I make mistakes and I admit to them, I am human.
Yes. It's alright with me if you have a desire to use me as a verbal punching bag, I am not offended. It appears to be the way of the Elk Konnected Followers way. And this way no body else takes a brutal whipping, don't you see!
To really understand what is really going on read this thread starting at the beginning where it clearly shows the idea of getting rid of the city councils and shifting that power in a sense to Howard. And read the rest of the B.S. posted there.
I hope everyone out there has a great day today and prepares for the coming blizzard.
That is what I will be doing. Bye-Bye.
Sorry Ross, to have hit a nerve. I never said anything about getting rid of this thread. In fact in my other post I praised you for shaking the tree that needed to be shook. My only negative comment about was that you make it easy for you to be the whipping boy. I think my quote of your post above demonstrates my point that you make it easy for you to be the whipping boy. Calm down a little you will get your good points across better. Sorry if I gave you the wrong impression.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 24, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Let's all bow our heads and pray.
Please, Lord, help Ross to get answer to all his questions about Elk Konnected, so that he will rest easier about the whole world. In Jesus name we pray, Amen. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Why do you have a desire to be blasphemous and sarcastic all at the same time?That is what you are doing with this sort of smart ass posting?
Being blasphemous and hypocritical!How low can you sink?
I am not offended but I am astounded by such arrogant ignorance.Please consider what you are doing before doing it.
This is the political thread not the religious thread.If you were
even the least little bit sincere about prayer you would take it to the religious thread.
This is just plain shameful of you.
Quote from: ROSS on February 24, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
Why do you have a desire to be blasphemous and sarcastic all at the same time?
That is what you are doing with this sort of smart ass posting?
Being blasphemous and hypocritical!
How low can you sink?
I am not offended but I am astounded by such arrogant ignorance.
Please consider what you are doing before doing it.
This is the political thread not the religious thread.
If you were even the least little bit sincere about prayer you would take it to the religious thread.
This is just plain shameful of you.
Settle down Ross... have a cup of coffee....(http://radiofreebabylon.com/RFB%20Images/CoffeeWithJesus/coffeewithjesus495.jpg)
(http://radiofreebabylon.com/RFB%20Images/CoffeeWithJesus/coffeewithjesus497.jpg)
Warph,
Thank you for your sincerity.
I believe in God as much or maybe even more than most.
But after Janet's attacks and attempt at setting me up, I find it despicable to use God against me.
I don't feel a person should use God for any reason.
I spend my time thanking God for help he has given me; I don't use him for selfish reasons. To do so is appalling to me. It is sacrilegious.
I try very hard to be civil but there is nothing civil about this recent activity.
We see enough of that coming out of the Vatican these days.
And if people can not see what she has attempted, they need to wake up.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 24, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Come to Elk County where we eat our young. Please don't take this thread as the real Elk County. This thread has been going on way too long.
JPjr
Perhaps I misinterpreted, "This thread has been going on way too long." , because of a lot of sarcastic remarks about shutting this thread and because of a few people that tried to tell the owners of this forum to shut it down.
If I was wrong in understanding your intent, I apologize.
Io me it has been quite obvious the followers want this thread shut down.
This thread simply shines to much light on their organizations attempt to control Elk County. IMO.
Other wise their uglyness since the inception of this threaf would not be necessary.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 06:48:04 AM
Other wise their uglyness since the inception of this threaf would not be necessary.
The "uglyness since the inception of this thread" has been eminating from you Ross, and your handful of followers, as you have repeatedly put-down, bullied, and labeled as Konnected everyone and anyone who does not agree with you.
For proof, readers need only go back to the first couple of pages of this thread and read what Ross wrote in response to comments from lookatmenow and mayflower.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 07:07:08 AM
The "uglyness since the inception of this thread" has been eminating from you Ross, and your handful of followers, as you have repeatedly put-down, bullied, and labeled as Konnected everyone and anyone who does not agree with you.
For proof, readers need only go back to the first couple of pages of this thread and read what Ross wrote in response to comments from lookatmenow and mayflower.
I totally disagree with you.
I searched through the first 16 pages and found nothing derogatory towards either lookatmenow or mayflower disagreement but not derogatory.
I have always tried very hard to be civil, I know I have lost it a couple of times and have apologized for it, I AM HUMAN!
However derogatory remarks were mad early in the thread, here are just a couple:
One of the first perhaps the first derogatory posts:
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
And another form of derogatory remark.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:59:29 PM
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton. One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
So thank you for your input.
For the record, here is the entire post that Pam wrote, that Ross selectively quoted, so you can read it in full context.
Quote from: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 10:34:50 AM
I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.
I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
Ross, when you modify a quote, say for instance making the font bold to make a specific word stand out, you are supposed to tell the readers that you have added the emphasis. Otherwise the reader will get the impression that the original writer made the word stand out.
Oh, wait. That's exactly what you wanted everyone to think, isn't it? Just more examples of your trying to make things into what they are not.
Ross -
Maybe I'm missing something, but this:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 24, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Let's all bow our heads and pray.
Please, Lord, help Ross to get answer to all his questions about Elk Konnected, so that he will rest easier about the whole world. In Jesus name we pray, Amen. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
has nothing sacrilegious in it.
QuoteI believe in God as much or maybe even more than most.
But after Janet's attacks and attempt at setting me up, I find it despicable to use God against me.
I don't feel a person should use God for any reason.
I spend my time thanking God for help he has given me; I don't use him for selfish reasons. To do so is appalling to me. It is sacrilegious.
To me, it appeared to be a sincere prayer: either as a friend of yours (possible, but not likely) or as a "pray for those who persecute you" situation. (That doesn't say the persecution is real or imagined, but if it is perceived as real, it's deserving of prayer.)
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 09:26:09 AM
Ross, when you modify a quote, say for instance making the font bold to make a specific word stand out, you are supposed to tell the readers that you have added the emphasis.
Otherwise the reader will get the impression that the original writer made the word stand out.
Oh, wait. That's exactly what you wanted everyone to think, isn't it? Just more examples of your trying to make things into what they are not.
That is so much bull shit.
Who says, I am suppose to do what you say!
There you go making rules and twisting things once again.
I believe the average reader is smarter than you give them credit for.
I think they can see that I gave examples of the ugliness referred to in the previous posts.
Where as you make remarks without any proof of what you say. Nice job.
I have never tried to mislead any of the readers. But I do believe you have tried to.
The reader I believe knows they can click on the little line of words directly above the quote and check the quote for complete accuracy for themselves. And this has been pointed out several times in this thread.
Try again. Putting down the readers is just unkind of you. Keep up the good work.
In the meantime how about the real subject, Elk Konnected, LLC!
You do realize we still have a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, don't you?
Did you notice most of the time he votes against the other County Commissioners?
Did you ever stop and wonder why?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 25, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
Ross -
Maybe I'm missing something, but this:
has nothing sacrilegious in it.
You sure are entitled to your opinion.
I never said anything in the prayer was sacrilegious now did I.
And you know what, I appreciate your attempt to defend her, she should be proud of you.
But after trying to set me up and the constant denial and sarcasm following the denials makes it a false prayer in my personal opinion. Therefore sacrilegious.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on February 25, 2013, 11:39:01 AM
To me, it appeared to be a sincere prayer: either as a friend of yours (possible, but not likely) or as a "pray for those who persecute you" situation. (That doesn't say the persecution is real or imagined, but if it is perceived as real, it's deserving of prayer.)
The prayer in and of itself is a sincere prayer.
As a friend definitely not, friends do not attempt to set people up and then pray for them.
It would seem reasonable to me if she prayed for herself and her wrong doing.
If she were praying for those who as you say, "pray for those who persecute you", then she should pray for them the persecutors don't you think.
Let's just look at the prayer again, shall we.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 24, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Let's all bow our heads and pray.
Please, Lord, help Ross to get answer to all his questions about Elk Konnected, so that he will rest easier about the whole world. In Jesus name we pray, Amen. In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Amen.
Where is persecution shown in that prayer? Are you not simply Deflecting, as others have called it?
It is not the prayer; it is the actions of the person before the prayer.
If your religious beliefs allow for this type of action so be it. And that is not meant to be disrespectful. Quite the contrary. I don't know your beliefs, but I will accept whatever they are and not put you down for them.
We can carry on about this all day if you so desire or we can let it rest.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 12:02:13 PM
That is so much bull shit.
Who says, I am suppose to do what you say!
There you go making rules and twisting things once again.
I have never tried to mislead any of the readers. But I do believe you have tried to.
Try again. Putting down the readers is just unkind of you. Keep up the good work.
Ross, I don't make the rules, I follow them. And I certainly didn't twist anything, that's what you are here for.
From http://www.aresearchguide.com/5quoting.html (http://www.aresearchguide.com/5quoting.html)
"2. To emphasize a passage you may italicize, bold, or underline it, but you must add (italics mine) or (emphasis added) in parentheses after the passage emphasized, e.g., "My job is the best job (italics mine) there is" (Gates 147). Or, "My job is the best job (emphasis added) there is" (Gates 147)."
It was an attempt by you to mislead the readers, plain and simple. Something you do all the time.
And I didn't put down any readers, other than maybe yourself.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 01:35:34 PM
Ross, I don't make the rules, I follow them. And I certainly didn't twist anything, that's what you are here for.
From http://www.aresearchguide.com/5quoting.html (http://www.aresearchguide.com/5quoting.html)
"2. To emphasize a passage you may italicize, bold, or underline it, but you must add (italics mine) or (emphasis added) in parentheses after the passage emphasized, e.g., "My job is the best job (italics mine) there is" (Gates 147). Or, "My job is the best job (emphasis added) there is" (Gates 147)."
That has absolutely nothing to do with this forum, because it is not listed as their rules.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 01:35:34 PM
It was an attempt by you to mislead the readers, plain and simple. Something you do all the time.
You are just to full of yourself. I simply showed what a couple oi put downs were, because you were accusing of myself of being ugly without showing nothing to back up your false accusations, Nothing more.
You shoot off your mouth without backing it up with quotes or anything. And you can't handle it when the truth is pointed out. Then you twist and deflect (with rules from somewhere else, that may apply to a reporter or something) and that doesn't work either.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 01:35:34 PM
And I didn't put down any readers, other than maybe yourself.
Your remark that I am trying to deceive the readers indicates and amplifies the idea that you don't believe they are able to comprehend what they are reading. Not my fault, you said it.
Here are a couple of more quotes for you.
Quote from: flintauqua on May 16, 2011, 08:51:58 PM
Ross,
By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square. By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.
You see how things got twisted. Public Squares Communities, Inc is not in Elk County, it is in Wichita County, in Leoti, Kansas. And not even the main topic of this thread.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2011, 12:33:16 PM
Ross, you are still relatively new here and haven't been the target of some really nasty verbiage that some of us have. I understand why some are very cautious with you. They are not used to someone who can debate without rolling around in the gutter.
She use to be nice!
Quote from: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 07:52:54 PM
The moral of the story of the Movie: Kevin is a girl. The moral here: stop taking everything to the extreme.
Now is that kind of talk necessary?
Quote from: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 08:34:02 PM
I foresee an apology from Patrick coming about as soon as the end of the never ending asking of the same questions by Ross and Patriot.
Difference between Patrick and Ross/Patriot - Patrick is a little less polite with his accusations and insinuations.
Try a whole lot less, in my opinion.
So with all the quotes in this post and the previous post about ugliness, which side does it come from?
Let's review what you said, shall we?
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 07:07:08 AM
The "uglyness since the inception of this thread" has been eminating from you Ross, and your handful of followers, as you have repeatedly put-down, bullied, and labeled as Konnected everyone and anyone who does not agree with you.
For proof, readers need only go back to the first couple of pages of this thread and read what Ross wrote in response to comments from lookatmenow and mayflower.
You just keep getting it wrong! I don't belong to any LLC's or organizations, therefore I don't have followers. Followers are what Elk Konnected named you and a few others that oppose anything that is asked on this thread. That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Aren't followers outsiders as far as the organization is concerned? Otherwise why would you be so defensive of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Why wont you disclose what is really going on with elk konnected? What is your real problem with this thread? Who are the real members of Elk Konnected, LLC that openly admit it?
I too would encourage anyone that has been on here to review the first 50 pages. I just did and enjoyed the read. They contain a lot of information.
Thanks Flint for the idea.
Quote from: ROSS on February 24, 2013, 10:26:10 PM
Why do you have a desire to be blasphemous and sarcastic all at the same time?
That is what you are doing with this sort of smart ass posting?
Being blasphemous and hypocritical!
How low can you sink?
I am not offended but I am astounded by such arrogant ignorance.
Please consider what you are doing before doing it.
This is the political thread not the religious thread.
If you were even the least little bit sincere about prayer you would take it to the religious thread.
This is just plain shameful of you.
This is not blasphemous and hyprocritical. You have just got yourself in such a snit that you can't see past what was done sincerely. I truly am praying for you. You have taken this thread you created and made a monster out of it. I truly want someone to give you those answers to those questions so that you can have peace in your world. I have done nothing to be ashamed of. I am just asking everyone to ask God to give you a blessing that someone will give you these answers. Now, if the owner of this forum wants to move that prayer to the religion page, then she will. Oh, by the way, I am not ignorant nor am I arrogant. I honestly didn't think you would be astounded by anything, but you have chosen to attack me. But go ahead. I don't answer to anyone, except God. I am not an elected official that has to be careful what she says. I don't get money from any public means whatsoever, so I am free to say, do and post what I want. There are many county employees that would love to get on hear and set the record straight on many things that are posted, but don't because they work for the county and are drawing taxpayer money. I, however; don't have those restrictions because I do not work for the government nor do I take any government money. Everything I have I have worked for without taxpayers help. Heck, we even pay Uncle Sam to let us work.
Janet: I agree with most but with one exception:
I AM a county worker, and if it means education of the State Regs when I can, then I will irrespective of my realm of expertise.
Otherwise, I am just frustrated at the adults blowing a gasket over their opinions and those of others...
ready
ready,
The county employees that I talked to just get so frustrated when they hear and read things on this forum that they know are not correct. They just feel like everything in the county is so unstable right now and they are scared to say anything or post their opinion. They are afraid of the repercussions that could come down on their heads.
I really sympathize with the way things are going in the county right now. I had my problems when I was sheriff, but I did learn that only by being at every county commissioners meeting (that I could possibly attend), could I know what was going on. Lots of stuff is said in those meetings that does not make the paper. I am sure it would be impossible to put everything in the record. Anyway, I get so frustrated about things and wish I could be there to back up these workers because I just don't feel like they have anyone backing them up. The county will either sink or swim. Thanks for responding.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 25, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
I am not ignorant nor am I arrogant. I honestly didn't think you would be astounded by anything, but you have chosen to attack me.
No Janet it was you who chose to attack me by starting a new thread at
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,14994.msg204510.html#msg204510
Your very first post was aimed at setting me up. You did this the day before the Elk Konnected people were going before the County Commissioners with their cause concerning that very position the Youth Development Employee.
You may deny that all you want, And since you think it necessary to bring everything to God in prayer. I pray that he forgives you for your deception. May God bless you and forgive you. Amen
Now does that work for you.
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 10, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
[size=102pt] This is to Ross.
Have you not seen any positive things come from this youth development program? Any at all?[/size]
And when I refused to play your little game you came back with the answer you were looking for and I quote:
Quote from: Janet Harrington on February 11, 2013, 06:39:41 PM
Here is what I was looking for.
They abolished the Youth Development position that provide very little for very few youth on a very sporadic basis. Which was very expensive to the taxpayer. This came from your post on the Elk County Handout page which I can take as reporting to us (the people), that the abolishment of the Youth Development was for the good of us (the people).
Now, my question to you, Ross, is this...wasn't your son one of those very few youth that benefited from programs associated with the youth development? Did your son receive any positive benefit by going to Lawrence for the camp thing that was sponsored by the youth development and grant money? If I am mistaken about your child being a receipient of this camp (I think it was an art thing, I'm not sure), then I apologize for my intel being incorrect.
Didn't you write a positive letter to Jennifer Montgomery about this camp?
Just asking.
Numbers 6:24-26
King James Version (KJV)
24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
And may he forgive you your trespasses as I have. Amen
par·a·noi·a
NOUN:
1. A psychotic disorder characterized by delusions of persecution with or without grandeur, often strenuously defended with apparent logic and reason.
2. Extreme, irrational distrust of others.
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nar·cis·sism also nar·cism
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Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
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con·ceit
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A favorable and especially unduly high opinion of one's own abilities or worth.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 06:48:04 AM
Perhaps I misinterpreted, "This thread has been going on way too long." , because of a lot of sarcastic remarks about shutting this thread and because of a few people that tried to tell the owners of this forum to shut it down.
If I was wrong in understanding your intent, I apologize.
Io me it has been quite obvious the followers want this thread shut down.
This thread simply shines to much light on their organizations attempt to control Elk County. IMO.
Other wise their uglyness since the inception of this threaf would not be necessary.
My point is this thread has evolved into bickering. Test it for yourself. Read backwards from here and see if the posts are bickering or about issues before the county commissioners and citizens of the county. I know how great it is to live in Elk County and know that it is full of nice people. This thread could give the wrong impression, in my opinion, about the county and how friendly it is. Just hoping those that are thinking of coming here read beyond this thread.
Moron, one who thinks he can perform psychiatric diagnoses via the internet.
And most likely believes he invented the internet!
And fails to provide relevant information concerning the topic this thread is addressing.
Now I feel I must apologize for the above statements, they were very rude of me.
I really don't like to be this rude, however the above poster pulled it out of me.
He must be a facilitator in training for Elk Konnected, that is the only explanation I can come up with for my rude behavior.
Or is poke, poke the proper answer?
So Flint do you believe that the Konnected President of the West Elk School Board will pull it off? The excessive spending to add a wing to West Elk to house class rooms and a new gymnasium is what I am referring to!
Or will he lease the Church at great expense to the taxpayers?
Have you heard that Friday the state of Kansas may stand to loose $5 million dollars and that perhaps 80 school employee's state wide may lose their jobs?
Do you believe excessive spending is the way to go these days?
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 25, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
My point is this thread has evolved into bickering. Test it for yourself. Read backwards from here and see if the posts are bickering or about issues before the county commissioners and citizens of the county. I know how great it is to live in Elk County and know that it is full of nice people. This thread could give the wrong impression, in my opinion, about the county and how friendly it is. Just hoping those that are thinking of coming here read beyond this thread.
Just ask the owners to erase this thread if you feel that way about the bickering that is!
See what they tell you.
But why read backwards, most people read forward. Shouldn't a person have a clear understandin of the issues?
They can't get that reading backwards now can they?
mo·ron
NOUN:
(Psychology) A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
Moron, one who thinks he can perform psychiatric diagnoses via the internet.
So you are trying to perform a psychiatric diagnosis of me via the internet?
Using your words, that would make you a moron also wouldn't it?
I do have a question for you, Ross. I remember you posting that our West Elk High School was built to house 600 students. Where di you get that information if you don't mind sharing. If you do, no worries.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 08:18:55 PM
Just ask the owners to erase this thread if you feel that way about the bickering that is!
See what they tell you.
But why read backwards, most people read forward. Shouldn't a person have a clear understandin of the issues?
They can't get that reading backwards now can they?
Why would I ask for this thread to be deleted? You have said yourself that people should read the whole thread to get a clear understanding of the issue. Why change you mind now? Yes reading backwards and forwards is good. Make up your mind. Is this thread just for your ego or do you really want to accomplish something? Mistakenly, I read backwards a nd found you had valid complaints. Then reading forward I saw this evolving into you stroking your ego and bickering. Not that you have not had help on both sides.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
mo•ron
NOUN:
(Psychology) A person of mild mental retardation having a mental age of from 7 to 12 years and generally having communication and social skills enabling some degree of academic or vocational education. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.
So you are trying to perform a psychiatric diagnosis of me via the internet?
Garsh no, I ain't qualified to diagnose anybody or anything.
I got me no papers, degrees or pedigrease.
I'se just a redneck hick enjoying retirement.
Quote from: flintauqua on February 25, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
Using your words, that would make you a moron also wouldn't it?
By golly, by gun youse rite Is'e a moron.
Thank you fer letting me know bout that there stuff.
Why is it you fail at discussing the real issues of this thread.
Ya ain't got no answers, er or is it ya ain't up to date on current events and there unable to respond. Inquiring minds want to know.
Lets review the real questions shall we?
Let me quote myself, okay?
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 08:12:23 PM
So Flint do you believe that the Konnected President of the West Elk School Board will pull it off? The excessive spending to add a wing to West Elk to house class rooms and a new gymnasium is what I am referring to!
Or will he lease the Church at great expense to the taxpayers?
Have you heard that Friday the state of Kansas may stand to lose $5 million dollars and that perhaps 80 school employee's state wide may lose their jobs?
Do you believe excessive spending is the way to go these days?
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 25, 2013, 08:49:06 PM
Why would I ask for this thread to be deleted? You have said yourself that people should read the whole thread to get a clear understanding of the issue. Why change you mind now? Yes reading backwards and forwards is good. Make up your mind. Is this thread just for your ego or do you really want to accomplish something? Mistakenly, I read backwards a nd found you had valid complaints. Then reading forward I saw this evolving into you stroking your ego and bickering. Not that you have not had help on both sides.
I see nothing wrong with this thread but you apparently do.
So I simply made a suggestion!
People bicker around the world, we are no exception.
You will find bickering ove politics, sports, religion and any multitude of things if you chose to look.
Also community rivalries, which amount to bickering.
I believe it is a normal thing as long as it doesn't become the Hatfield an Mc Coys, if you know what I mean.
Just take a look at the bickering inside the Vatican right now. Does that mean the whole of the Vatican is bad? I don't think so.
But there are differences going on! Do we condemn the whole place, no.
Elk County is just having some differences, that is all.
I have had more then enough fun today.
Thanks for providing the entertainment.
I'm gonna watch the snow falling for a few
and the off to bed.
Early to bed
Early to rise ya know.
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2013, 09:19:38 PM
I see nothing wrong with this thread but you apparently do.
So I simply made a suggestion!
People bicker around the world, we are no exception.
You will find bickering ove politics, sports, religion and any multitude of things if you chose to look.
Also community rivalries, which amount to bickering.
I believe it is a normal thing as long as it doesn't become the Hatfield an Mc Coys, if you know what I mean.
Just take a look at the bickering inside the Vatican right now. Does that mean the whole of the Vatican is bad? I don't think so.
But there are differences going on! Do we condemn the whole place, no.
Elk County is just having some differences, that is all.
What?? Your conclusions are not logically connected to what I said. Then the tirade on Hatfield\McCoys and the Vatican. You are 3/4 of the way from being unconnected to reality. Next step for you Psych Emergency. You have lost it completely. My fault for trying to have a legitimate conversation with you.
You have been on this forum a couple of days and have made all of 7 post.
Name: jacksonpollochjr
Posts: 7 (3.500 per day)
Position: Forum Member
Date Registered: February 24, 2013, 12:28:35 am
February 24, 2013, 12::55 am Your first post on this thread.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 24, 2013, 12:37:55 AM
Come to Elk County where we eat our young. Please don't take this thread as the real Elk County. This thread has been going on way too long.
JPjr
February 24, 2013, 08:33:59 PM
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 24, 2013, 08:33:59 PM
Sorry Ross, to have hit a nerve. I never said anything about getting rid of this thread. In fact in my other post I praised you for shaking the tree that needed to be shook.
February 25, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 25, 2013, 08:00:28 PM
My point is this thread has evolved into bickering.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on February 25, 2013, 09:43:33 PM
What?? Your conclusions are not logically connected to what I said. Then the tirade on Hatfield\McCoys and the Vatican. You are 3/4 of the way from being unconnected to reality. Next step for you Psych Emergency. You have lost it completely. My fault for trying to have a legitimate conversation with you.
You talk about eating children right off the bat, your very post on the forum. I don't care what you mean by it, it in my opinion is in bad taste for a first post on the forum. And then you say this thread has been going on way too long. This indicates that you think this thread should end, very simple.
In your second post on this thread you praise me, big deal, I'm not impressed.
In your third post you complain about bickering on this thread.
So, I simply point out that bickering is every wherein the world even at the Vatican and at least it is not violent like the Hat Fields and McCoy's. To clarify further about Hat Fields and McCoy's there is no shooting just talking.
If you as a newcomer to the forum are so dissatisfied with this thread I'd suggest moving on. There are plenty of other threads. There are a Total of 13107 Topics or other threads available for you to indulge in.
Try to find something that you like and have a great wintery day.
Ross, he has posted much more on this forum, just under different handles. For instance, does Sodbuster ring a bell ?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 21, 2012, 09:15:42 AM
This whole thread is one big cartoon. A bunch of finger pointing and back slapping. It has accomplished absolutely nothing except make certain people feel empowered by slighting others and boasting about what they think they know. It would work well with the three stooges playing the parts. Patriot, Moe since he thinks he's the smartest person in the county. Ross, Larry since he follows Patriots lead all the time. Duck, Curly just because he's relatively clueless.
BTW, Mad magazine had nothing to do with the Rocky and Bullwinkle show. It's obvious my posts went completely over you stooges heads. Since you are always looking to retaliate against those who don't like you, you missed the point. ::)
You call this a discussion ? Better google the definition of that word. I expected the response of immature, adolescent, yadda, yadda, you can find it many ,many times on here as a way to belittle anyone who puts forward any view opposed to the stooges.
Larry er Ross, I HAVE sat and BS'ed with you, :o I actually like you. You have great staying power ;) I just don't always agree, no problem.
Patriot, ( now there's a conflict of terms ) you're hopeless , you offer nothing but a broken record. :-* :P
Curly, Ready for the loony bin. :laugh:
Bullwinkle, why so hard on Ross, Patriot and the boys\girls?
Quote from: ROSS on June 20, 2012, 08:01:53 PM
Duh, Rocky the squirrel is Bullwinkle's buddy.
And both seem to get into a lot of trouble in their cartoon.
Thought I'd be kind and let you know about the squirrel, so you would have it right.
So are you switching now that you know?
Or, perhaps you can tell us exactly what Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished besides commandeering our County Commission, adoringly know as Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners?
You don't have any answers either do you?
Just more attempts at bullying for you, right?
I rest my case, we eat our young.
Hey Ross, don't look now but somebody is impersonating Dr. Phil. Better jump on him!
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The only kind of artist you are " jackson " is a con - artist.
I have no doubt , however, that you may be bi-polar and have had Jungian therapy.
Ya know at the County Commissioners Meeting where there was begging for reinstatement of the County Youth Development position, at least until Elk Konnected was told there was county money available through the extension office, there was talk about other groups in Elk County.
Those groups were the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4-H and churches and such. I asked Elk Konnected why they don't work with these other groups in Elk County. And I believe the answer was, "we are, you just don't know, you just don't understand". And it sounded to me as if it was said with frustration and let down.
How's that working out for you Elk Konnected, has there been any improvement on your part, working with other groups within Elk County that is?
Those groups are pretty independent aren't they?
Their volunteers don't get paid do they?
They don't go around begging for money don't they?
They earn their own money right?
So exactly, what would Elk Konnected be able to offer the other groups?
Would Elk Konnected offer to let these other groups do volunteer work for Elk Konnected, and let Elk Konnected take credit for their efforts in the newspaper?
Has Elk Konnected, LLC been able to acquire any of that money from the extension office, the money provided by Elk County, rhe money that lite up their eyes up at that particular County Commissioners meeting in this post?
I would really like to know what Elk Konnected, LLC has to offer anyone!
Oh, that is besides having a Konnected School Board President that has all kinds of ideas on how to spend taxpayer's money on things other than actual education.
How about it Elk Konnected, LLC what do you really have to offer anyone or even Elk County?
Real answers from Elk Konnected, LLC would be appreciated. Or is Elk Konnected, LLC gonna remain bashful?
Unless of course some Followers have received inside information, then that would be okay.
Butt, I don't believe any Followers (outsiders) are allowed insider information, are they?
Well nothing in the paper about all the fabulous things Elk Konnected, LLC is doing for Elk County this week.
But boy, did the editor tell us about our supposed leaders in Washington.
I wonder what the difference between those supposed leaders in Washington and the supposed leaders right here in Elk County?
Aren't the supposed leaders in both places considered the elite.
If so how can he question the elite half way across the nation and not here at home?
Oh, that's right isn't it, he affiliated isn't he?
But that is alright we have the Elk River Drive-In has something planned that may raise interest in Elk County.
Hey isn't that amazing a privately owned company that isn't begging for money and operating on their own and generating interest.
And they are performing their very own Economic Development, just amazing what a small company can do, isn't it.
Let's give kudos to the Elk River Drive-In for being real leaders in our community.
I plan to continue to support them. Especially by eating their great hamburgers and fries.
Elk River Drive-In you rock.
Someone asked, on another thread, if it means that every community, business, church, etc., that has the slogan (other than the very first one) is a socialist, ACORN style entity?
No! Would be my answer!
I don't believe it is a community we are talking about and it sure isn't churches or any other legitimate business.
Could it perhaps be called a socialist (none religious) cult? Could it be that the insiders, that claim to have a (make believe) community, are people who simply that want to grab OPM (Other Peoples Money) in order to provide lollipops to the (small amount of) masses in Elk County to keep them happy and quiet?
They also appear to have defenders/outsiders know as followers and they also want everyone else to volunteer to work for them!
But why all the secrecy and lack of communications?
I suspect the small group is out of touch with reality and the real and actual community of Elk County citizens!
But what do I know, it's been two years the 24th of this month for this thread and no answers, just bullying and name calling and threats.
Where is the transparency and honest dialog with these few people?
We will be hearing a lot of B. S. about how we are attacking them and we will hear a lot of twisting and turning of words, we may even hear some more name calling in defense of a lack of communication that was promised by the group, all the flack will most likely come from the outsiders known a followers. So fasten your seat belt and enjoy the abuses to follow.
What are they accomplishing, but more division with in Elk County?
Isn't the division, what they said they wanted to repair?
Isn't the division why, they wanted everyone to pull together?
Where is the effort on their part to pull together?
Where or what is their plan to communicate openly and honestly and communicate right here on this forum?
They did say they would be using this media to communicate didn't they?
What are they hiding?
Are they possibly hiding the fact, that they are the "Old Guard" that they claimed they did not want involved in their group?
Are they planning to get more of their group elected to the West Elk School Board, so they can control it, since they lost the controlling votes on the Elk County Commissioners Board? I sure hope that doesn't happen.
What is with that logo, "Watch Us Grow"?
Who is the us?
It appears it has been changed on their web sight to, "Stay with us as we grow!".
Where is the growth and what is the growth?
Is it just a smoke screen?
I wonder how many people have dropped out of their various committees and why?
Why has the steering committee continued to shrink? Is it possibly because of poor leadership?
How long does our EX-County Commissioner plan to continue to advertise herself on every page of the Elk Konnected Web site as County Commissioner? http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/index.php
As President of the Mother Company of Elk Konnected which is Public Squares Communities, Inc. doesn't she have the responsibility and the ability to delegate someone to change that post for her? Isn't that what a good leader would do, work to get the job done right?
What exactly have they successfully accomplished?
Anyone got any answers to the above question?
Yes, in my opinion there are still a lot of questions to be answered.
Isn't this new high tech age great?
So, on we go looking for daylight type truths, one of life's better challenges.
Where are the answers?
Straight answers would be appreciated!
Okay, I'm ready to be slapped!
Information from the, "Kansas Rural Development Resource Guide"
"Small Towns ... Big Plans"
RURAL DEVELOPMENT IN KANSAS
l. Business Development
11. Community Capacity Building
lll. Community Development
lV. Regional Assistance
But let's look at the one in action here in Elk County. Okay!
Elk Konnected, LLC is a child or branch of Public Square Communities, LLC.
Public Square Communities, LLC was founded we were told by our (now) EX- County cCommissioner Liz Hendricks an employee of Public Square Communities, LLC at the time, who is now the President of Public Square Communities, LLC!
Was this all done here in Elk County for the personal gain of the founder Liz Hendricks?
Made her President of a Corporation didn't it?
You decide for yourself!
(Quote)
II. Community Capacity Building(Under this topic there are 7 Organizations, we got saddled with this one. Not part of the quote.)
Public Square Communities, LLC consults with cities and counties to improve capacity in four key areas: business, education, health/human services and government. Service is provided through a grassroots process, utilizing interviews, community conversations, goal setting, citizen action teams and public accountability.
Expected outcomes include a change in community attitude, entrepreneurship activity and the development of new leadership and partnerships in all four areas.
(End of Quote)
Let's look at what is said in the above statement.
First important word, consults! What does this mean?
Consults --- 3rd person singular present of con•sult (Verb)
Seek information or advice from (someone with expertise).
Have discussions or confer with (someone), typically
before undertaking a course of action.
"Consult" --- Did they ask or consult with the community as a whole if the communities wanted their interference or activity in each of their separate communities? Or was did they just skip over consulting with the communities?
Next word:
Improve --- to enhance in value or quality : make better
What has been improved by them in the following four areas
business, education, health/human services and
government and what part did they play in the
improvement?
Lets move on down to
"Goal Setting", shall we. What goals have been set and how do they intend to accomplish those goals?
And next is
"Citizen Action Teams", notice plural usage. Why is it they only have one action team listed on their FaceBook?
And that is followed by
"Public Accountability". I don't think that means the public is accountable to them, but just the opposite. Where is their
"Public Accountability?"Community Attitude" was next down the list. I believe each community has the right to have their very own personality and their own city councils for governing themselves. It goes on all across America. Is the
attitude that is being addressed, the
attitude that these individual communities don't want fall into the
attitude of this organization?
"New Leadership" in all four areas, in the schools and government isn't that determined by the voters?
What part does this organization play in our elections?
They do have people on the school board don't they?
And they don't have enough people on the school board yet, to control the school boards actions, do they?
They lost their controlling votes on the County Commissioners Board didn't they?
They can vote but beyond that, what
authority do they possess to control anything?
"New Leadership" In business there is the Chamber of Commerce and don't they elect their own leaders? This privately owned business could vote in the elections of their local Chamber of Commerce, but
beyond that what authority do they possess to control business?
"New Leadership" in health and human services, what the heck are they talking about? I surely don't want a small group of people like this group controlling my health provider, do you? If that were to happen, I definitely would not use the local clinics.
The biggest thing that caught my attention the most in this Kansas Department of Commerce Guide under Public Squares Communities, Inc description was
"PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY". Doesn't that apply to their associated organizations?
So where is Elk Konnected, LLC's
"PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY"?Leadership? What leadership?
Good leadership would reply, for the purpose of
"PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY"? wouldn't they?
It must be lacking, do ya reckon?
I doubt there will be any answers to reasonable questions, due to lack of
leadership or lack of
public accountability.I'm certain they are not done and will pop up again! Most likely with a new school bond issue, via the Konnected School Board President. After all we haven't been updated on the last two studies performed at our expense concerning building a bigger building. You know brick and mortar edumacation?
So I'll just wish everyone a great weekend.
Earn it, Don't beg for it
Momma said.
Elk Konnected Here is an Economic Development program that doesn't rip off the taxpayer.
I hope you will consider this as a positive option.
laissez-faire economics
One of the guiding principles of capitalism, this doctrine claims that an economic system should be free from government intervention or moderation, and be driven only by the market forces. Centered on the belief (termed invisible hand by the 18th century Scottish economist Adam Smith) that human beings are naturally motivated by self-interest and, when they are not interfered-with in their economic activities, a balanced system of production and exchange based on mutual benefit emerges....
Think back does any of this sound familiar as what has happened in the last couple of years in Elk county?
Agenda 21
They could be using different words that mean the same thing.
Your community has a
Vision, Master or Comprehensive Plan typically created within the past 5 – 10 years that promotes the three E's of Sustainable Development
(Environment, Economy and Social Equity) also known as the "Triple Bottom Line".
Your community has embraced and is building the infrastructure of the new "green" energy alternatives including solar and
wind farms.Your community is working through state and local mechanisms including NGO's
( Non-Governmental Organizations) to gain more and more control.
Your community is actively promoting
healthy communities.
Your town has joined with local regional councils or with the state or federal government to promote Sustainable Communities Planning or to launch sustainable initiatives.
You find symbols in your community's that show Enviroment, Social, Economic.
Your local government uses the language of Social Equily; such as food justice, ecomomic and environmental justice, fairness, direct democracy, diversity, food deserts, social justice, and wealth redistribution.
There is involvement from
multiple Non-Governmental Organizations in your city's planning involves these NGO's and many other "stakeholders" in the collaborative, consensus-building,
"visioning" process that details the
plans for your community's future.Your local government authorities begin using and exceeding their constitutionally granted powers
alongside private organizations.Your community uses language that calls for "redefining" how we
determine progress and prosperity away from traditional wealth and growth measures like GDP (Gross Domestic Product) toward more philosophical non-specific ideas sucha as well being and happiness.
"Remember, the
progressive left always has an agenda, an end game or goal. No matter how good something sounds up front, look for their end game;
what do they hope to accomplish?"Todd Issac "Ike" Skelton 2/6/13
Agenda 21" is little more than an all-out attack on personal property rights. Indeed...the body that drafted the initiative (the U.N.) has openly and without hesitation stated its opposition to property rights:
"Land... cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of society as a whole.*"
* Source: United Nations Conference on Human Settlements (Habitat I),Vancouver, BC, May 31 – June 11, 1976. Preamble to Agenda Item 10 of the Conference Report.
Good News! Missouri Rep. Lyle Rowland and Sen. Brian Nieves have introduced companion bills that would protect Missourians from the onerous plan known as U.N. Agenda 21. Rep. Rowland's bill, HB42 has already passed out of committee. (To see the text of HB 42, copy & paste this link in your browser: http://legiscan.com/MO/text/HB42/id/671594)
Sen. Brian Nieves' legislation, SB265, will be heard in committee Tuesday, March 5, at 3 p.m. in Hearing Room 1 in the Capitol Building, Jefferson City, Missouri.
Just asking.
Quote from: debid on March 08, 2013, 04:57:51 PM
:'( Someone call the Coroner... Nobody except Ross has posted on it since Feb 26th.
Do you think posting over there is any different than posting over here?
It isn't the first time a Follower has posted else where trying to hide is it?
Let's post this over here so we make sure everyone watching this thread doesn't miss your post, Okay, OK!
That way everyone gets to see how you followers operate. Great huh!Debid Are you suggesting Elk Konnected, LLC has died?
I don't think so!
The Followers will be back.
The rest of the Followers are probably just following orders and keeping their mouths shut just like good little Followers should.Why?
Because they can't argue against anything I have posted over there, that's why!
They can't take the heat.
They can't even post over there anything Elk Konnected.. LLC has done for Elk county since it's inception?
Must be because everything they have done has failed, don't ya reckon?
Quote from: ROSS on March 10, 2013, 11:22:28 PM
Debid Are you suggesting Elk Konnected, LLC has died?
I don't think so!
And judging from the Fredonia paper, the Public Squares NGO is busy over there trying to get a local sales tax increase so the city can build a new swimming pool. Free money, right?
Quote from: Patriot on March 11, 2013, 06:20:08 PM
And judging from the Fredonia paper, the Public Squares NGO is busy over there trying to get a local sales tax increase so the city can build a new swimming pool. Free money, right?
Perhaps they can manipulate them folks, but they lost that ability here in Elk County the way things appear. Don't you agree. But how will Elk Konnected, LLC be able to continue to maintain their Public Squares Communities, Inc. Accreditation if they can not collect money to pay for it from the Elk County public square as they call it. The Businesses, the Schools, The Governments, The Churches of Elk County! What happens then? Just asking!
Even their Followers have started their own thread just to bash and bully me. I am so humbled by their actions. To bad they are unable to communicate with any dignity on this thread.. They are over there with their hateful language calling me hateful. I have strived to be honest and polite, where is the hateful on my part they speak so evil of? Sayiong this thread is dead, read the numbers at the top of the page, far from dead, sorry guys.
Sure, I'm human and have lost it a couple of times. But I have never threatened anyone they way the Followers have threatened me. And I don't ask anyone to believe anything I say, but they do, don't they!
But let's focus on Patriots post shall we.
Here is what I see and it's all good IMHO!
More OPM, different county.
Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money Other Peoples Money
It's all good, Because It Is Not Elk County money they are after, at the moment, now is it?
Hi Debid good to see you here.
Debid you didn't stay very long.
You didn't even say hi, what a bummer!
Did you at least read the numbers at the top of the page?
Not dead is it my friend.
God night folks,
Good night Debid.
Brought over from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15140.msg206093.html#msg206093
Quote from: ROSS on March 14, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
Here is the desperation, I have referred to many times on the Elk Konnected thread and no little NGO begging for money can fix it.
I hope you will click on the link at the bottom and read the whole article.
Census: Record 1 in 3 US counties are now dyin
By HOPE YEN | Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — A record number of U.S. counties — more than 1 in 3 — are now dying off, hit by an aging population and weakened local economies that are spurring young adults to seek jobs and build families elsewhere.
New 2012 census estimates released Thursday highlight the population shifts as the U.S. encounters its most sluggish growth levels since the Great Depression.
The findings also reflect the increasing economic importance of foreign-born residents as the U.S. ponders an overhaul of a major 1965 federal immigration law. Without new immigrants, many metropolitan areas such as New York, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh and St. Louis would have posted flat or negative population growth in the last year.
Read more at http://news.yahoo.com/census-record-1-3-us-counties-now-dying-040238347.html
You can read the original post at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15140.msg206093.html#msg206093
if Liz would have hired people to rake the court house lawn,everyone would have been on her like white on rice.But 1 of our county workers asked why they were hired and was told they can use the work ethics or something to that effect.nothing personel just a obsevation.
Quote from: upoladeb on March 15, 2013, 06:16:49 AM
if Liz would have hired people to rake the court house lawn,everyone would have been on her like white on rice.But 1 of our county workers asked why they were hired and was told they can use the work ethics or something to that effect.nothing personel just a obsevation.
She probably couldn't figure out how to give Elk Konnected credit for it :)
end of subject. :angel:
Ya gotta be positive.
Elk Konnected sure doesn't appear to be doing anything, any more do they?They aren't even correcting their web page, what's with that?
Let's discuss that down the page a bit. First Let's discuss what took me there.
farmgal67357 started a link wanting to know who is on the West Elk School Board.
She received 36 reads and no help.
So, I helped her out as best I could. I told her and I quote:
Quote from: ROSS on March 15, 2013, 09:46:02 PM
I guess it's a secret. I use to be able to read the minutes on the schools web site.
But I don't find them there now.
But the Konnected President of the School Board of USD 282 is David Whetstone 620-374-2296.
IS it any wonder it's secret.
I think the members and their contact should be listed on the schools web site.
Just like the County Commissioners are on the County Web site.
I just got the Konnected President of the School Board phone number from Elk Konnected's web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/
While at the
Elk Konnected web site I saw:
Community Contact
Liz Hendricks (620) 330-2428
County Commissioner
David Whetstone 620-374-2296
=========================================================
Hasn't there been more than sufficient for the
President Of Public Squares Communities to correct that
County Commissioner to
HAS-BEEN?Perhaps she could use her position as
President Of Public Squares Communities to delegate some one on the steering committee to do it for her!
After all isn't that one of the
qualities of a good leader? To lead by a good example that is doing the, Honest and Logical and Ethical things in a timely manner?
Especially after it has been pointed out so many times.
What excuse could there possibly be for not getting the job done.
It sure didn't take very long to post herself as
President Of Public Squares Communities did it?
Boy was today gorgeous or what?
I tilled two gardens and one yard today it was so nice.
I'm praying for some rain this weekend.
Good night all.
Call the School District they will give you all the info you need on the School board.
I have always found this person to be helpful. Paula McAlister at the West Elk District Office. 620-374-2113
Quote from: upoladeb on March 15, 2013, 06:16:49 AM
if Liz would have hired people to rake the court house lawn,everyone would have been on her like white on rice.But 1 of our county workers asked why they were hired and was told they can use the work ethics or something to that effect.nothing personel just a obsevation.
Given the $30,000+ per year that our 'maintenance supervisor' costs the taxpayers, one would think he/she would be able to handle that task without outside help. Of course, the time that person spends on Facebook during work hours might be a hindrance, and I suspect the local Boy Scout troop might have done the work as a civic service for free. As for suggesting that the taxpayers pay youth for such work to develop work ethic, you're right, that's foolishness. Just sayin.
Brought over from the back stabbing thread: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15023.new.html#new
Your post:
Quote from: Oldtimer on March 11, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
DEBID, you said it for a lot of people. Most of us have nothing to do with Elk Konnect but Ross in his sick and twisted vendatta continues to rant on.
My response:
Quote from: ROSS on March 17, 2013, 05:22:04 PM
I bet you thought you would slide on this one, didn't you?
You have everything to do with it, this thread for instance is connected to the other thread, if no other way, through me. You can run (to another thread) but you can't hide.
First, how many of there are you, 3, 4, 5, 6, how many?
If you are not Konnected, why get so irate about the Elk Konnected thread?
Why have I received threats on that/this thread?
Why are you ranting, by starting this thread as a tool to bad mouth me and lie about me?
No, I won't beat around the bush, you are the one doing the lying.
What vendetta are you speaking of?
What definition of vendetta are you using?
Do you really consider asking a politician questions a vendetta?
If so, I would think that would make your thinking sick and twisted!
Your post:
Quote from: Oldtimer on March 11, 2013, 05:31:00 PM
Liz and her family have worked hard for Elk County and for the people and they don't deserve the trash Ross has made up about them.
My response:
Quote from: ROSS on March 17, 2013, 05:22:04 PM
Oh, that's a good one! What exactly has she done for the benefit of Elk County?
Starting Elk Konnected, LLC, is that what you are referring too!
How has that benefited any one?
And please Oldtimer tell us the truth aren't you her daddy?
You wouldn't deny your daughter would you?
And please Oldtimer tell us the truth tell us exactly what has been made up by me?
Please be very precise?
Use the ability this forum provides you and quote what I have made up.
Tell us every lie, every story you are accusing me of making up, please.
You won't do it, because you can't do it!
So, who does that make the liar out to be?
Now, let's take this back to the original thread. Okay. OK!
Now isn't it proper that your remarks are over here where it all started?
Quote from: flintauqua on March 17, 2013, 05:42:07 PM
Ross' narcicism is showing again. Only wants Elk Konnected to be discussed on his own personal thread. Can't stand that those who back the good people who make up and support Elk Konnected would actually choose to have their own thread.
So you like the back stabbing thread better?
A place to hide your nasty remarks, good for you!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 17, 2013, 06:06:42 PM
No, Robert Ross, this thread is its own enity and stands alone. All your Troll Chow is over on your own personal thread.
Send me your address and I'll mail ya a big box of Puffs tissues for when yer cryin' over dos nasty ol' Elk Countians who are pickin' on poor little you. Ya just don't get it do ya? It's over. The wagons left town.
Quote from: debid on March 17, 2013, 06:41:13 PM
Desperation is when you will try to bait people with any means. Cannot work here.
Ya'll keep it up, but ya can't back it up can ya?
Show me anything that Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished besides providing you Followers for entertainment?
And please tell me why you are not Followers why you continue to harass and bully me about this thread?
Why do that if you are not Followers?
Why say I am making stuff up, if you are not followers?
You can not snow one single solitary made up story on this thread or you would post it, you would quote it.
So tell us something that Elk Konnected, LLC has accomplished?
Tell us why Elk Konnected, LLC is hiding?
Tell us what has happened to the Daycare Center they were going to open?
Tell us how they are going to provide all of us with a better "Quality of Life"?
Tell us about the substance of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Tell us something that you know?
Do you know anything at all?
Isn't this a lot of fun?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 17, 2013, 06:06:42 PM
Ya just don't get it do ya? It's over. The wagons left town.
You say, The wagon has left town.
Well heck, I didn't know Elk Konnected, LLC came to town in a wagon!
I thought it came to Elk County via a County Commissioner when it came!
But now you say their wagon has left town, is that why we don't hear from them no more Diane?
Is that why they don't make print in the local newspaper any longer, Diane?
Thanks for letting all of us know Diane!
But they are still up on the Public Square Communities, INC web site and one of them is still President of the West Elk School Board.
So what is really going on!
Are they just keeping a low profile for some reason?
Real information might be useful!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 18, 2013, 11:00:05 AM
Now I'm pissed. I did not give anyone permission to move my posts or parts of them to another thread! If I had wanted to post over there I would have. >:( I do not see the two threads as being the same at all. Now if Teresa wants to move it, that's hers to do as administrator. This thread was not started by Robert Ross nor or is it his to manipulate for his own reasons. No wonder the decent people are bugging out! Talk about proof of a vendetta...that really does it! >:(
By what authority do you have to give permission to anyone about this forum? Really!
You do have the authority to be pissed all you want, that's a given.
But ya all wanna play a game and I playing too, too bad you can't handle the play.
You wanna play on the back stabbing thread I wanna play here.
You have your fun your way and I'll have my fun my way, Okay, OK!
I enjoyed Jarheads response, it was rather funny, don't ya think?
I personally refuse to get pissed over your game, I'd rather enjoy it.
Remember my sick and twisted mind?
By the way have you ever told your friend she is no longer a county commissioner and she is still claiming to be one on her Elk Konnected, LLC web page.
It amuses me that when they can't add anything to a discussion, they attack a person to get their results. And half the time they can't even get their personal attacks right! ;D
Keep it up Ross. We hear it everyday how tired people are of what has gone on in this county the past few years and how glad they are that Ritz and Hebb are working to help people instead of drag them down further!
You 3 are welcome to keep your little thread going.... ;D
Little thread... that's cute. You might be shocked to learn just how many citizens read this information to supplement their knowledge about government goings on. Dozens. Remember, all readers aren't necessarily posters, or even registered.
Quote from: debid on March 20, 2013, 05:04:44 PM
You 3 are welcome to keep your little thread going.... ;D
By what
authority do you provide information to anyone about what they do on the forum?
It is our thanks to the owners of the forum for providing this media, and they are the only ones that have any authority here.
You permission is
unnecessary and not
requested!What can you add to the conversations concerning Elk Konnected, LLC.
Can you tell us when Elk Konnected, LLC plans to start improving the Quality of Life or Strengthening Family's in Elk County?
Can you tell us how Elk Konnected, LLC plans to go about doing those things?
Will it have anything to do with Elk Konnected, LLC joining wioth other NGO's to build their strengths.
Please ad to the conversation by answering some questions about this great little Non Governmental Organization, it would be helpful to all the citizens of Elk County is you are knowledgeable enough to inform all of us.
Thank you for any input that might be worth while.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
Just keep showing the readers how , rude your little rattle snake group is. Personally, I don't care if you care what I write or not. DON"T READ IT or shut up about it As far as Ross's "real" name (LW) I was just poking him for his hysterics over which is MY real name. I was surprised to think he even cared enough to mention it. Not that it's any of your business. He knows.
Just look who is calling the kettle black! Your manners are not showing Diane, or are they?
And this post of yours is just chock full of name calling.Wow! You call asking a simple question hysterics, wow! Now that is hysterical.
My name and where I live is no secret, so again what's your point?Ya just can't spin me up, can you Diane?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
I'm sure Teresa will appreciate knowing how you have labeled the residents of the area, either '' Commie," or whatever you call the rest. Be sure that any potential new folks get your permission to post and ask them all sorts of leading questions so you can decide if they are worthy of this now conservative home base you,"the bottom of the well" ultra bigoted conservatives have dug for yourselves. You and Jar and Ross and Patriot can sit down there together and make plans as to who you will try to drive away next. You will not be happy until there is no conversation possible anywhere...Ya know conversation? That's when more than one person is allowed to have opinions and normal conversation?
Do you call what you posted a normal conversation?
You definitely have my pity!
Ya'all get over there on that other thread and bash me to no end and think that's okay!
Well so do I.
It's called freedom of speech.
So have a good time with that, okay.
But, I will bring it over her to show, how positive an attitude you Elk Konnected Follower's have.
And that my dear is my freedom of speech, and my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
It seems you really want your own personal blogs with Teresa paying the bills. You do know that some of the street talk there is people laughing at you behind your back...I could name names but I'm not going to "out" them. One even called one of you a totally worthless bag of worthless manure who contributes nothing to the area but hot smelly air. I thought that was very descriptive. I'm still waiting to read about all the plausible threats to Mr.Ross that weren't made up by him to get sympathy. ;) ;) ;) His "friends" really aren't.
We appreciate the owners of this forum very much.
And you, yourself are posting at their expense as well, so what's your point?
That must be some more of them Elk Konnected folks calling names, behind people's backs, huh?
Because they can't handle the truth and don't like to be watched and because they don't like to communicate in a polite manner, is what I'm thinking.
Can you explain anything about friends?
And your Konnections through your friends who are members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
And tell us how you are not a Follower?
Wouldn't that just be denying your friends?
Some honesty please?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:57:57 AM
By the way, I dropped the other thread as of Feb 16. with no intention of ever returning to it. i want nothing more to do with it.It's gotten really creepy. Do not move any of my posts over there or I will officially complain. Oh and thatnks for confirming what I thought I knew. Now you can confirm his phone number too. 3----7. 8)
Here again is another opportunity to make your official complaint, have fun doing that!
If this thread is so creepy, why have you spent so much time over here?My phone number is no secret, it's published, what's the big deal?
I have no secrets, the number is (620) 647- 3587 give me a call sometime.
But if you are going to be name calling and ugly I'll simply hang up and report the action right here on this forum along with your phone number that is shown on caller ID.
Simple huh!
In the mean time can you answer any questions?
What can you add to the conversations concerning Elk Konnected, LLC?
Can you tell us when Elk Konnected, LLC plans to start improving the "Quality of Life" or "Strengthening Family's" in Elk County?
Can you tell us how Elk Konnected, LLC plans to go about doing those things?
Will it have anything to do with Elk Konnected, LLC joining with other NGO's to build their strengths?
Please add to the conversation by answering some questions about this great little Non Governmental Organization, it would be helpful to all the citizens of Elk County if you are knowledgeable enough to inform all of us of what you might know.
Thank you for any input that might be worth while.
Happy Spring to you Diane, I hope you had a beautiful day.
I read the West Elk School Board Minutes in today's newspaper and found some interesting stuff. It seems as if, all certain members want to do is spend, spend, spend.
Heck, if I give my kid a few dollars, that's what he wants to do, spend, spend, spend.
Like my parents use to say, "It won't burn a hole in your pocket, hang on to some of it."
Are you ready for this?
The Konnected School Board President Whetstone moved to approve the formation of a West Elk campus police department and advertise the hiring of an SRO (school resource officer) at an estimated cost of $33,000. Hare seconded the motion. The motion thankfully failed 3-4.
Then the Konnected School Board President Whetstone moved to amend his motion by stricking the words "at an estimated cost of $33,000" and replacing with "up to $33,000" the amendment thankfully failed 3-4.
Thanks to four (4) people with some common sense.
We have the Sheriff's office with in a stones throw, don't we?
Do we live in a gigantic Metropolitan area like Newton does? I don't think so.
Check out the stats for Newton versus the stats for Howard and Elk County.
Newtown is in Fairfield County, Connecticut with a population of at least 27,560 people.
Waterbury (nicknamed the "Brass City") is a city in the U.S. state of Connecticut on the Naugatuck River, 33 miles (53 km) southwest of Hartford and 77 miles (124 km) northeast of New York City. As of the 2010 census, the city had a total population of 110,366[2] and is the ninth largest city in New England, the fifth-largest city in Connecticut and the second largest city in New Haven County.[3] At 90 minutes from Manhattan, Waterbury is part of the New York Metropolitan Area.
Elk County (county code EK) is a county located in Southeast Kansas, in the Central United States. As of the 2010 census, the county population was 2,882.[1] Its county seat and most populous city is Howard.[2] Howard is a city in Elk County, Kansas, United States.[6] As of the 2010 census, the city population was 687.
I'd like to ask Konnected School Board President Whetstone, if that was an idea proposed to him from his Konnection to Elk Konnected, LLC?
To me, it goes right along with the thinking of the list on page one of this thread, so I'm just asking?
Or is it based on paranoia of what goes on in metropolitan areas of our country?
I'd really like to know, please!
I know Followers, it's just my twisted thinking, thank you.
There is more, but I think I will save it for a couple of days.
One more thing before I go.
Ya gotta check out Elk Konnected, LLC's new web page.
Thanks Liz for clearing up that County Commissioner thing.
I'd still like to hear about that Strong families, Solid education, Superior Lifestyle ya'all talk about? Won't you come and tell us how you plan to accomplish such things?
The new page is at: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/steering-committee/
Look, I'm advertising for Elk Konnected, LLC!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:37:32 PM
I did not willingly post on this thread. I was hijacked,post napped if you would, over to this one. i had left this one for good.You freaks deserve to be called every nasty name anyone can think of for being such jerks. I gave up trying to be polite to you some time ago. It just made me seem weak to you bunch of rude hooligans. Again I am leaving this thread. Back off ! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Back off, back off of what? You are here of your own freewill, welcome.
No one moved this post over here and no one forced you to post here did they?
You left this post ---- when ?
You keep reading it, which means yo never left now doesn't it.
I sorry you are so confused!
And still with that Followers name calling thing which is not a bit rude is it?
I'm so sorry you can't play nice, you just have to play the bully where ever you go, don't you?
To bad you are just a Follower and not an insider that could enlighten us with a few answers about Elk Konnected.
Bye-bye.
But remember if you back stab or bad mouth me on any other thread, that post will end up over here.
Have a great day Diane and a good time.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 20, 2013, 09:37:32 PM
You freaks deserve to be called every nasty name anyone can think of for being such jerks. I gave up trying to be polite to you some time ago. It just made me seem weak to you bunch of rude hooligans.
Did you mean to say you didn't appreciate being called on the carpet for you lack of knowledge of Elk County and the political situation set up by Elk Konnected?
Didn't you mean to say that you didn't appreciate being called on the carpet for allowing someone else to post using your name?
Didn't you mean to say you didn't appreciate being called on the carpet for trying to compare our parsley populated county to your heavily populated county in Delaware?
Didn't you mean to say you didn't appreciate just being a follower instead of an insider of Elk Konnected living way up there in Delaware.
Didn't you mean you don't appreciate being recognized as an expert on life and politics in Elk County?
Didn't you mean you didn't appreciate the fact that your playing teacher wasn't what people wanted and that you missed the conversation because you were busy being spell checker.
Boy if that isn't enough to explain all your name calling I don't know what does.
I hope you can get over it and get to feeling better about yourself.
Quote from: ROSS on March 20, 2013, 08:06:47 PM
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The Konnected School Board President Whetstone moved to approve the formation of a West Elk campus police department and advertise the hiring of an SRO (school resource officer) at an estimated cost of $33,000. Hare seconded the motion. The motion thankfully failed 3-4.
Then the Konnected School Board President Whetstone moved to amend his motion by stricking the words "at an estimated cost of $33,000" and replacing with "up to $33,000" the amendment thankfully failed 3-4...
And I wonder if there's an Elk Konnected Krony with an LEO certificate who is/was first in line for the job? One who served on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee. One who moved their kids from Elk Valley (Longton) to West Elk a short time back. One who was instrumental in spending county tax money for the Longton Ball Association in times past. Possible krony payback? I wonder.
Liberal Progressives really have no shame, do they? Just throw more tax money around. That'll fix it.
Perhaps the school board needs a housecleaning similar to the one the county commission got last November. Elections are coming in April. After all, Mr & Mrs Taxpayer, it's only money.... YOUR money.
Here is some more from this weeks newspaper School Board Meeting.
From reading this week's newspaper it appears to me that our school board and school administrators/staff are incapable of utilize the space in the West Elk School Building.
Perhaps instead of talking with all those engineering and architecture firms they should be talking with an EFFICIENCY EXPERT!
An EFFICIENCY EXPERT could show them how to utilize a building designed to house 600 students and make it work for 300 students with a declining population.
An EFFICIENCY EXPERT could show them how to save money, where engineers can show them how to spend money.
For Konnected School Board President Whetstone to want to consult with this many firms and bring their salesman into the School Board Meeting to sell to the board members, you surely have something in mind. A way to build a Taj Mahal with a Storm Shelter for Howard perhaps, how about throwing in a trampoline room and a Skateboard Park and a few other things. Yes, I'm being sarcastic. All this, that is going, on strikes me as Elk Konnected and compares to the list on page one of this thread.
Here are the firms and their web sites at least what I could find;
PBA Architects, P.A http://www.pbawichita.com/
Integrated Consulting Engineers, Inc. Http://www.iconengineers.net/
PKHLS Architects http://www.pkhls-architecture.com/staff.php
Heckman and Associates http://www.archiplanet.org/wiki/Heckman_and_Associates,_Independence,_Kansas,_USA
PKMR Engineering http://www.pkmreng.com/about_us.HTML
Perhaps if the Konnected School Board President Whetstone consulted with an EFFICIENCY EXPERT then perhaps they wouldn't have to spend money foolishly renting the Flint Hills Assembly of God Church. I'm sure the church can use the money to pay for that fancy building but I, believe the money should be used for education not paying the bills of the church.
Them Konnected people wanted one campus and they got it, not they want to split it up, over to the church and pay the churches bills with our property tax dollars that are suppose to be used for education.
Who actually has twisted thinking?
I'm asking you followers!
Konnected School Board President Whetstone moved to utilize the Family Life Center and to form a committee.
We know committees are only set up to justify actions already planed, don't we?
These committee members are the same people that have been involved since the get go, aren't they?
So let's cut to the chase,
why not tell us,
what the dollar amount is,
what's it going to cost the taxpayer?
How much is the church gonna make off of thee taxpayers?
Does the school board even care? Just spend, spend, spend is that the name of the game?
The school has been operating fine with what it has,
until suddenly,
the Church builds nest to it?
So what actually changed?
It wasn't the school facilities was it?
Is there some Konnection we don't know about?
Come on folks,
it is the Assembly of God Church
utilizing a sanitizing name, I guess!
Why not call it a church, which is what it is.
What is a family life center?
What does that mean?
I mean that name is secondary and so obscure, IMHO!
Are they trying to fool everyone in to thinking it is not a church,
or what?
Don't we get enough deception from enough religions?
Let's tell it like it is.
Can we get some honest answers?
No honest replies would surely mean NO!
One more question, will the West Elk School Board of Education ever discuss improving the education ability of West Elk and how to make it better? Wouldn't that be refreshing talking about something besides spending, actually improve education in Elk County.
Oh, no folks this thread is far from dead.
I am posting here only to ask a question for clarification, one that has been asked before by others.
Ross, what is your source of information for your statement that the West Elk Jr/Sr High School building was built to hold 600 students?
Quote from: flintauqua on March 21, 2013, 01:16:34 PM
I am posting here only to ask a question for clarification, one that has been asked before by others.
Ross, what is your source of information for your statement that the West Elk Jr/Sr High School building was built to hold 600 students?
Let's play your game!
What's your source that it isn't built to hold 600 students.
My source asked that I not divulge their name, sorry about that.
But if you can't look at the size of that facility and see that it should be capable of holding 600 students, I can't help you.
And I would tend to believe that is perhaps because you want to see a Taj Mahal just outside of Howard.
If you think we need a bigger school, there is still the Moline Grade school and I bet Moline would sell it back to the school board for the dollar they paid for it.
And as far as transporting the kids from Severy it is just another ten minutes on the ride. No big deal now is it.
Oh, but then Howard would have to bus their kids right?
And they don't want to do that do they?
And Ross ,while you are answering questions, whatever gave you the idea that I let Liz or anyone else post under my name? You have posted about that more than once! I already told you I did not and wouldn't even know how. (I'd like the moderators to see what you have to say.) Again you are a calling me a liar and I don't like it. It's another unnecessary personal attack against both Liz and me. I've always said I respect what EK has been trying to do .I've never hidden it, but you pretend that I do. That's also a lie of a sort, now isn't it.
Now you are fantisizing about what is going to be like if I call you and give you what for? Oh please! I've had your phone number and address for a very long time. Why would I want to call you? Why threaten me?
Now, I'm going to try to leave again and I better not see any of my posts moved over here. You do not have anyone's permisson to do that, so please respect it. I'd never do that to you. Someone has to be the adult here and I'm going to try to be one. I'm going to try very hard to ignore the childish nonsense...poof, I'm gone.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
And Ross ,while you are answering questions, whatever gave you the idea that I let Liz or anyone else post under my name? You have posted about that more than once! I already told you I did not and wouldn't even know how. (I'd like the moderators to see what you have to say.) Again you are a calling me a liar and I don't like it. It's another unnecessary personal attack against both Liz and me. I've always said I respect what EK has been trying to do .I've never hidden it, but you pretend that I do. That's also a lie of a sort, now isn't it.
Now you are fantisizing about what is going to be like if I call you and give you what for? Oh please! I've had your phone number and address for a very long time. Why would I want to call you? Why threaten me?
Now, I'm going to try to leave again and I better not see any of my posts moved over here. You do not have anyone's permisson to do that, so please respect it. I'd never do that to you. Someone has to be the adult here and I'm going to try to be one. I'm going to try very hard to ignore the childish nionsense...poof, I'm gone.
It seems that Kjell's message went unheard... or unheeded. Oh, well, I guess the ultimate source of the problem is now obvious.
Ross, I don't know for sure where your figures for building capacity came from either, but it would seem that such things should be publicly discussed by the board before rushing headlong into a major building project. Are we really utilizing our existing space as efficiently as possible? From the outside, and given past spending initiatives, it looks more like a case of want rather than a need. Maybe it's time for some creative problem solving. In any case, lots more honest open info needs to come from the board.
So, guys . . . call the district board office (374-2113) and ask to be put on the agenda to speak to the board. I've never done that, but know people who have. They say it's a pretty simple process: the request has to be made a day or two in advance, not the day of, nor are you just supposed to show up and speak. Don't know why the rules, but that's what they are, to my understanding.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
And Ross ,while you are answering questions, whatever gave you the idea that I let Liz or anyone else post under my name? You have posted about that more than once! I already have to say.)
That really bothers you, probably for good reason. I explained fully when the situation happened. And on more than one occasion you failed to deny it. Why deny it now , so far down the road? And I am sure the moderators read every word. To feign ignorance is about something so simple is just terrible.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
Again you are a calling me a liar and I don't like it. It's another unnecessary personal attack against both Liz and me. I've always said I respect what EK has been trying to do .I've never hidden it, but you pretend that I do. That's also a lie of a sort, now isn't it.
I don't recall calling you a liar, that's your word right up there in your quote. Sorry!
I do seem to remember calling Liz a liar way back, but I don't recall why! That's water under the bridge.
But that was simply my personal opinion.
You denied being a Follower, you claimed no Konnection with Elk Konnected.
Followers supposedly respect Elk Konnected for what they are claiming to try to do.
But none of you can explain what they have done or what they are trying to do.
And then dehy being a Follower. Why is that?
Diane please tell us what Elk Konnected has done to build stronger families and by what means?
I bet you can't do it!
Please tell us how Elk Konnected has provided a superior life style to the people of Elk County and by what means?
I bet you can't do it!
Please explain to us exactly what you think Elk Konnected is trying to do and how they can do it?
I bet you can't do it!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
Now you are fantisizing about what is going to be like if I call you and give you what for? Oh please! I've had your phone number and address for a very long time. Why would I want to call you? Why threaten me?
I don't recall threatening you!
When did I threaten you?
Please quote the post where I threatened you.
I'd like to read it and I am sure everyone else would like to read it as well.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
Now, I'm going to try to leave again
Really! Again?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
and I better not see any of my posts moved over here.
Or what?
I told you if you bad mouth me I will move the post over here, so it is basically up to you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
You do not have anyone's permisson to do that, so please respect it.
I am not required to have your permission, this is a public domain.
If the owners found anything wrong with my actions I am sure they would let me know.
And I would respect them for it.
They are good people.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
I'd never do that to you.
Why, because you don't know how?
Or perhaps because you don't have cause to di it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on March 21, 2013, 01:45:37 PM
Someone has to be the adult here and I'm going to try to be one. I'm going to try very hard to ignore the childish nionsense...poof, I'm gone.
It's about time and I wish you lot's of luck with that.
I wish you a very good evening.
In trying to research where the number of 600 came from in reference to how many students the West Elk building will hold, I came across this article. This was published by Prairie Star on October 30, 2008 and was written by Jerry Wagner.
West Elk BOE discusses possible new facility
By Jerry Wagner
PRAIRIE STAR
The West Elk School Board met in a muted planning session Monday evening designed to contemplate long-range possibilities of building a new facility on the centrally located campus in Howard.
Attending this evening were the majority of the board members, two architects from PBA & Associates, as well as a smattering of parents.
Board president Marty Talliaferro stated the purpose of the meeting was to discuss the declining enrollment, now at 346 students, and that given continual financial pressures they were considering building a new facility.
The focus, according to Talliaferro, was to discuss a centrally located facility that would be capable of providing a quality education and meeting the varying demands of our district for 20 to 25 years.
There were two options initially discussed: building a new facility on the West Elk campus or utilizing the old grade school. Talliaferro expressed discomfort with the effectiveness and efficiency of utilizing the old grade school building. Ed Klock of PBA explained that in Newton they had utilized an early 20th century school building and it had cost roughly 75 percent of a new build, which tends to run roughly $160 per sq ft.
PBA outlined that the first steps in a construction design process would be to evaluate the existing West Elk High School structure and contemplate any necessary improvements and where to locate any new facility.
As stated by Talliaferro: "My goal is to put the district on a stable financial footing. and any plan would need to provide adequate growth room, should such growth occur. "
Klock discussed that there were four primary budgetary concerns: building costs, site improvements, equipment/furniture costs, and a contingency fund. There was a discussion regarding the considerations of building either an attached or detached structure or the code implications that would result from an attached structure.
The potential details of a new facility as well as modifications to West Elk were then discussed in some detail focusing on correctly aligning the building to match the curriculum for the twenty-first century. Discussions of whether foreign language, interactive distance learning, athletic improvements, and what potential technology integration should be included were discussed, with the general consensus among the board being that the structure should encompass some improvements to address current deficits in technology and athletics.
Mr. Reese presented an example of the Rose Hill school district that had utilized a cloverleaf layout to the elementary school that integrated the grades and focused more on the individual needs of the student as well as having multiple uses for each learning space.
Based on current board policy of no more than 24 students per classroom, the new facility would require, at a minimum, one classroom per grade level as well as a further 3 flex classrooms that would adapt to whichever grade levels had exceeded board policy.
In addition, there would potentially either be a new elementary library or a unified library facility that would permit, perhaps, utilizing the current West Elk library as additional classroom space. The subject of a practice gymnasium or multi-purpose room absorbed a significant period of discussion, especially considering the current lack of scheduling flexibility available for the West Elk gymnasium.
The general board consensus was to entertain a practice gym that would have seating for 100-150 people that would be roughly 8500 square feet in size. Bert Moore explained that in 2006, he and his administration had discussed an estimate on a facility of 12 classrooms, a library, a multi-purpose room, a gymnasium, restroom facilities, and secretarial/administrative rooms at a built cost of $2.5 million.
Much discussion centered on the potential twenty-first century advancements that could be included both in building technology and classroom technology. The general agreement was that any new structure should incorporate some element of available efficiencies.
Several classroom technological advancements were discussed including Smart Boards, in-classroom projectors, and mobile wireless computer carts. The statement was made by Bert Moore "What would the school of the future look like?" He encouraged the board to plan to encompass the future.
Talliaferro furthered that by stating that he had several graduates comment on their lack of preparedness for the technology that they had encountered upon graduating.
The discussion focused more on the mechanics and time lines of any construction and bond issue. Once a preliminary design concept and its costs were relayed to the board, should it adopt a resolution for a bond, the state would require 75-90 days to review the proposal before a bond election could be held.
If a bond issue were passed, the design period would require an additional 6-9 months with construction then requiring 12-15 months.
Talliaferro was quick to explain that the board would be required to utilize maximum Local Option Budget authority on this next budget and that the district was losing all fiscal flexibility.
It is important to note that state aid towards construction costs can range from 26 to 34 percent depending on economic conditions in the district, so the bond amount would be dependent on said aid.
It was generally agreed by the board to have the architects review with the school administrators the current facility at the West Elk campus and begin to discuss with staff the elements of a new facility.
This session would be scheduled at some point in the next few weeks with a Board follow up possible in the next few months.
The architects made it clear that the most beneficial sessions for these initial plans were ones that were collaborative and inclusive in nature.
Talliaferro said, "Tthe community expects that we should go forward even if we don't do anything in the end."
October 30, 2008 · Posted in News
So, even though it doesn't answer how many students the West Elk school building was built to hold, it does answer the question that talking about building a new school came way, way before Elk Konnected was ever established. Right or wrong?
Quote from: Janet Harrington on March 21, 2013, 05:30:43 PM
So, even though it doesn't answer how many students the West Elk school building was built to hold, it does answer the question that talking about building a new school came way, way before Elk Konnected was ever established. Right or wrong?
Wrong, the Elk Konnected genesis was in early 2007 by their own admission. While the LLC was officially formed on 09/30/2009, their formation process began in early 2007, with Terry Woodbury's involvement starting in March of that year.
As I was informed the present building was designed as a step down from the old building and designed to hold only 600 students due to the declining population. You can see from that monstrosity of an old building that it would accommodate a lot more than 600 students.
The plan that you found information about was to be a new grade school with a community storm shelter included for Howard. And if I remember correctly the bond issue was to be for 5.5 million dollars. Which to me is extremely high for far less than 300 students.
And if I remember correctly Elk Konnected did hold Kommunity Konversations about closing the Severy and Moline grade schools.
They even had posts here on the forum about them, if memory serves me correctly.
The point is if you have 300 students and half or more are in grade school, how can you justify such expense for just 150 students. Especially while the population is still declining.
I think the main thinking is more about sports than education. That's my personal opinion. They even want to pay a church to use their building as a gymnasium, go figure.
Did you ever notice the sign on the highway going north into Howard. It says something about West Elk winning something sports wise.
Did you ever wonder why it is inside the city limits of Howard and not of across the highway from the West
Elk School. Wouldn't it make more sense to have put that sign across from the school on the south end of the school for the benefit of all the school children to see everyday to instill pride in their school. It really isn't about Howard is it.
Actually Shouldn't the one on the north side of town be on the north end of the school.
Or which is it, is it about Howard or is it about the West Elk School children. Just asking.
Give it some thought.
EK"s slogan or maybe a Public Squares slogan is my understanding as being Come Grow With Us. This term was used on Hwy 400 on Batson's billboard, the same term used at Coffeyville when you're entering Coffeyville from south on 169 (the sign states Come Grow With Us). I'm not sure but I've heard that Public Square has their hand in Coffeyville's pocket. And now a new one comes to light: CULTIVATE FREDONIA. My understanding of what cultivation is, is to weed out undesirables; get rid of what is not wanted; to get your crop to grow without anything interfering in what you're trying to plant. Let that soak in awhile. Just exactly what is the "agenda" and the "undesirables" that may question the Public Squares Organization that they would like to "weed out"?---Robert
Quote from: Patriot on March 21, 2013, 05:56:20 PM
Wrong, the Elk Konnected genesis was in early 2007 by their own admission. While the LLC was officially formed on 09/30/2009, their formation process began in early 2007, with Terry Woodbury's involvement starting in March of that year.
Ok. I was wrong. I really thought I had found something. LOL
Remember a few months ago Flint Hills Frontiers held a community conversation in Grenola.
When we arrived and the meeting got underway them folks from Flint Hills Frontiers said, "Don't ask us about the Flint Hills, because we don't know nothing about the Flint Hills."?
Remember that?
Then the meeting resumed with the same old crap the Elk Konnected, LLC always did?
We want your ideas of how we can improve our communities. Nothing new.
Except that I thought those young people were holding this meeting only to practice what they had been taught.
The one young guy walked around like a teacher in a class room looking over peoples shoulders at what they were writing down, and sort of to show the authority of a teacher making sure the students were doing what they were asked to do.
People fall for this stuff too, they will make sure they please the teacher, no matter, what age they are.
Well, the reason I bring this up is because, when they advertised the Flint Hills Frontiers meeting in Winfield they were inviting people between the ages of 21 and 39, I do believe.
Now what is that all about?
Isn't that discriminatory? Not really important!
To me, it simply impresses the idea, that it is not the community as a whole that counts.
A person, I can't name, told me it was about the ease of control of younger people and their ignorance of control methods.
That same person also said, most of these younger people could be easily manipulated and
most of us old farts er folks can't.
Does that sound feasible?
I think it does!
I mean a friend of mine (who is also older) was manipulated by EK,
they gave him a position on a committee for a short time and
that made him feel important for a short time.
Most likely today, if they were to ask him to be on a committee,
I'm certain he would
laugh at them.
If you check Flint Hills Frontiers http://www.flinthillsfrontiers.org/ you will find a connection with Elk Konnected, LLC. Which I believe points out the fact that they are not really a community organization.
What I see them as is a few people wanting special recognition any way they can get it. And the majority of those few work for free for others that are paid possibly a pretty decent income. We will never know because they have their books protected by being LLC's and INC's.
I believe if you read the Flint Hills Frontiers web site you will find a grant for 2 Million Dollars, where do you think all that money might be going? Don't CEO's and President's and other people in organizations get paid.
If the org. doesn't bring in money no one get's paid right?
Don't you just feel like opening your wallet?
Give till it hurt's!
LOL
And don't forget to volunteer for those that get paid!
Just my opinion!
And, I believe all these little NGO's need to pull together to have the strength of more people.
I just can't figure out their real and actual motives because even the NGO here in Elk County won't have an open and honest dialog. They won't answer the simplest questions.
They have no transparency because they hid behind an LLC.
Public Squares Communities, Inc. uses Rebuilding The Public Square.... One Community at a time
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/
Elk Konnected, LLC's Latest Community Contact Dr. David Whetstone (316) 708-0296, since Liz Hendricks moved up to being President of Public Squares Communities, Inc.
I never did believe that her family was not to gain from her starting up Elk Konnected and I still don't.
Their Vision Statement is
Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!"
They have no authority on families that I know of.
They do have a member on the school board, the Konnected President of the West Elk School Board and maybe one or two others. But that is not enough to control the school board. Not like the situation we had with the County Commissioners Board over the past 6 or 7 years. Remember that when it comes time to vote for school board members. I seriously feel they want full control and that would only require one or two more Elk Konnected members on the board. Then they could build their Taj Mahal for a declining enrollment of students.
They still post on their web site the following, of course I'm not posting the whole letter.
In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service. Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation. How can these two polarizing events happen at the same time?
Why do they still post something where the diss our communities? Why?
Is it that they don't believe the individual communities should govern themselves?
Do they believe that they should control the communities?
Oh that's right, one of their ideas on the first post of this thread stated something about a
"Centrally Located Unified Government" doesn't it?
I just can't put my finger on anything substantial about Elk Konnected,
but I'll keep trying.
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These are just my personal opinions and thoughts and nothing more.
I feel obligated to say this especially to the folks that threatened to sue me sometime down the road.
I am practicing my Freedom of Speech and I sincerely mean no harm to anyone. Thank you.
Just trying to understand what is really happening.
Quote from: ROSS on March 23, 2013, 09:00:07 PM
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Just trying to understand what is really happening.
Try this on for size:
Most Americans are unaware that one of the greatest threats to their freedom may be a United Nations program known as Agenda 21. The United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Division for Sustainable Development created Agenda 21 as a sustainability agenda which is arguably an amalgamation of socialism and extreme environmentalism brushed with anti-American, anti-capitalist overtones...
...Smart growth plans usurp property rights and constitutional rights. Local officials, at the behest of State Government, revise zoning laws to fit into a "smart code" zoning template. A massive reshuffling of property rights ensues. Farmers may lose subdivision rights; conservation land adjacent to population centers may be rezoned into commercial employment centers; and low-density land in small towns is re-designated as growth area and rezoned to accommodate diverse housing including high-density apartments and condominiums.
Finally, a healthy dose of federal- or state-sponsored housing initiatives is embraced to ensure communities are properly balanced. The net effect of these plans is to create highly urbanized population centers throughout otherwise-rural counties, while simultaneously limiting the availability of land for suburban and estate subdivisions, as these are considered an unsustainable waste of land by Agenda 21 disciples....
...Smart growth has another interesting unintended consequence: it can disrupt conventional alliances and lead to strange political bedfellows. Rural urbanization plans may raise the ire of environmental groups while simultaneously stirring the wrath of both conservative and liberal residents that want to maintain the rural fabric of their communities. Conversely, developers, sensing opportunity, may side with government smart growth bureaucrats in support of these plans.
Regardless of political orientation, two indisputable facts remain. Agenda 21 is a direct assault on private property rights and American sovereignty, and it is coming to a neighborhood near you. (Emphasis added)
Entire article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html (http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/un_agenda_21_coming_to_a_neigh.html)
This raises the question: Do the local/regional players (so-called stakeholders) actually know what their participating in? And if they do, what does that say? Before the naysayers jump on this, it might be wise to do some serious research on Agenda 21 and the use of local & regional NGO 'planners' to implement the UN's Agenda in America.
Speaking of UN Agenda 21, have you been to any Konversations or talked to anyone lately who used any of the keywords listed below?
Thanks to Rosa Koire and her team at Democrats Against Agenda 21 we have this comprehensive list of key words and phrases that are often used at the local level when discussing Agenda 21 related initiatives.
Affordable housing
Ballot Box Planning Benefit of all Benefits-Driven Buffer Zones
Cap & Trade Choice Climate Change Common Core Curriculum Common good Community Protocol
Comprehensive planning Consensus Conservation Easement
Direct instruction Downzoning
Endangered species Environment Environmental Impact Report (EIR) Environmental Justice Equity
Facilitator Fair
General Plan Global Warming Good Business Sense Grants Green House Gas (GHG) Emissions Greenways
Growth management
Habitat HEAL (Healthy Eating Active Living) Communities Healthy Communities Strategy
High Speed Rail Historic preservation Housing Element
Inclusive Inter-disciplinary International baccalaureate
International Council on Local Environmental Initiatives (ICLEI) Invasive species
Jobs-Housing Connection
Land Use Policies Lifelong learning Livable communities Local Governments for Sustainability
Metropolitan Planning Organizations Mixed Use Development Modeling Multi-Use Dwellings
New Economy New Urbanism New World Order
One planet communities Open Space Outcome based education Outcomes
Parking Policy Precautionary approach Precautionary Principle Preserve
Priority Conservation Areas Priority Development Areas (PDA) Prosperity Protect
Public/Private partnerships
Quality of life
Redevelopment Regional Resilient Cities Responsible development Restoration
Safe Routes to Schools Sanctuary Scenic views and vistas School to work
Sensitive Lands Smart growth Smart Streets Social justice Stack and Pack Housing
Stakeholder Sustainable communities Initiative Sustainable communities partnership
Sustainable communities strategies Sustainable development Sustainable Economic Development
Sustainable medicine
Three "E"s of Sustainablity - Equity, Economy, Environment Traffic calming
Transit Oriented Development (TOD) Transportation Justice Triple bottom line
Upzoning Urban Growth Boundary Urban - Rural revitalization
Vehicle Mileage Traveled Tax Vibrant Neighborhoods
Vision Visioning Meetings
Walkable Communities
Watershed Wetlands Wildlands
(Emphasis added)
I have seen a lot of those key words on various web NGO web sites!
I wonder if those running the NGO's are just doing it for an income and have an attitude of
"The Devil May Care" , but I don't as long as I am making a big income, is that the attitude?
Perhaps they are to smart to understand what is really going on!
Perhaps some are to smart to understand what harm socialism can do!
Perhaps some are to smart to understand what spend, spend , spend can do!
Perhaps some are to smart to understand what unnecessary debt can do!
i have known a half a dozen people with Mensa IQ's all nice people, only one exceeded all the other smart people.
Why you may ask!
The one that exceeded had something the others lacked, simply common sense.
One of them had a couple of college degrees and lived in the city, but lacked the common sense to hold down a job!
Go figure!
And those that are to smart to learn in my opinion need to be watched to prevent heaping failure on everyone else.
Just look at the mess some of our major cities, just look ot our federal government.
We all need to be vigil in my opinion.
My exact sentiments and this includes anything I say.
If it don't fit your needs and common sense ignore it. Very simple isn't it.
If you believe it can't happen here just because we live in the US of A, that's your choice.
I personally believe that's what the UN want's us to believe, that my choice.
Who would have believed Pearl Harbor could happen?
It is my opinion that NGO's trying to tell us how to live, or how to work, or how to spend our tax dollars with their liberal and socialist attitudes is just wrong.
And now even liberals in Vermont are tending to agree as I read it in the article I am about to post.
But first did you realize that if you own a gun you may be referred to as a fanatic or worse a terrorist in your own country?
and second you can be proud of our little wind farm that is owned by an Italian owned Company which is 1/3 owned by Italy, but I'm not. Why? Because all the profits, how many millions, I don't know, but they go to Italy. Great Economic Development for our country isn't it.
Read this article about Vermont and what the liberals and the fanatics, socialists, professors and lumberjacks are saying.
In Liberal Vermont, a Secession Movement Rises
UNLIKELY COALITION HAS A VOICE IN STATE POLITICS
By Neal Colgrass, Newser Staff
Posted Mar 24, 2013 10:57 AM CDT
(NEWSER) – It's not only Texans: A small but dedicated band of Vermont activists also want to secede from the Union, Prospect.org reports. Railing at the effects of big business and bureaucracy on daily life, they speak at the state legislature, get bills introduced, and run candidates—though none so far have won. What marks this unlikely group of socialists, professors, lumberjacks, and gun fanatics (among others) is their fierce spirit of independence: "Left or right," says a leader of the movement, "who wants to be associated with such a shabby creature as the United States?" Among their grievances:
• Canadian companies own state hydroelectric plants to produce energy for export
• Timber sent to China so locals can buy it back on credit as "shoddy" furniture
• Vermont drinking water sold for pennies on the dollar and sold back in bottles at double the price of gasoline
Even leading "seceshers" realize the feds will oppose secession, so they're promoting a gradual withdrawal of nullifying federal laws and embracing local economics. Their latest litmus test: Residents' hard work recovering from Hurricane Irene before FEMA showed up. "There was palpable pride in the town and its people and a distinct we-ain't-waitin'-for-no-gubmint attitude," said one resident. "We could have easily continued for several more weeks and longer." (But Vermont and Texas aren't the only ones who want out.)
Now, I believe that is the right attitude, not the hiding out attitude of NGO's.
Putin expelled the American NGO's from Russia. Rightly so.
The NGO's promotion of democracy is nothing more than a front for communism.
Can you name a local NGO in your county?
Does any of this attitude sound little bit familiar?
It is important to overcome confrontation and to foster a climate of genuine cooperation and solidarity.
I think that means any way you can bullshit the people into doing it.
Progressive Liberals pursue their single agenda of local governance within a failed scriptology.
Maybe because a few people are watching, locally that is, don't ya think?
Yea I plagiarized some of these words fro the article below, so what?
I think it fits right here in Elk County.
Emphasis added. The study of gravity on rain fall.
It failed to get off the ground but just the same, how much time and money was wasted stopping it?
But there is more in the article. Okay Agenda 21 abuse!
Granted, one record Winter does not a glacier make
March 26, 2013
In the two plus years I have confronted Global Government under the guise of United Nations Agenda 21 and sibling ICLEI, the most important thing I have learned is debating facts with Progressive Liberals is a total waste of time and in some cases threatens lifelong friendships. I look no further than "GLOBAL WARMING" that puts a happy face on every liberals' dream, free money, at some one elses' expense.
From inception Agenda 21 has no other purpose than redistribution of global wealth. In 1992 Sustainable Development created this 351 page document http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf. Within the United Nations' very own documents creating Agenda 21 they openly discuss how developed countries must redistribute national wealth to less advantaged countries. I look no further than the EURO currency with Cyprus, Spain, Greece and Italy. Each failed economy results in redistribution. These same planners have designs for USA, Mexico and Canada called the AMERO currency. When all "stake holders " are equal within a nation and all nations are equal, guess who will assume leadership on a global basis?
Agenda 21 – Chapter 2
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION TO ACCELERATE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES AND RELATED DOMESTIC POLICIES
"In order to meet the challenges of environment and development, States have decided to establish a new global partnership. This partnership commits all States to engage in a continuous and constructive dialogue, inspired by the need to achieve a more efficient and equitable world economy, keeping in view the increasing interdependence of the community of nations and that sustainable development should become a priority item on the agenda of the international community. It is recognized that, for the success of this new partnership, it is important to overcome confrontation and to foster a climate of genuine cooperation and solidarity. It is equally important to strengthen national and international policies and multinational cooperation to adapt to the new realities."
This makes Johnson County Kansas with the second highest US per-capita income a prime target. Add current campus contamination and education required to work at Sprint (tele-communications), Garmin (GPS technologies) and Cerner (digital medical records) as major employers provides the Petri dish of incubation. Enter a few career part-time politicians asking for more free stuff and that explains much of the Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) that continues surfacing as a funding source.
But here I sit, knee deep in snow March 25, 2013. Kansas Spring started last week. Firewood is in and fireplace is consoling a sense of normalcy with the crackling. Heat lamps on in the barn and henhouse. I heard on CNN and MSNBC of record snows and low temperatures across most of the Northern Hemisphere. My mind possibly wounded from frost bite remembers back one year ago when, I shiver at the thought.
« County has part-time citizens playing part-time czars.
Granted, one record Winter does not a glacier make
March 26, 2013 by nolathe
In the two plus years I have confronted Global Government under the guise of United Nations Agenda 21 and sibling ICLEI, the most important thing I have learned is debating facts with Progressive Liberals is a total waste of time and in some cases threatens lifelong friendships. I look no further than "GLOBAL WARMING" that puts a happy face on every liberals' dream, free money, at some one elses' expense.
From inception Agenda 21 has no other purpose than redistribution of global wealth. In 1992 Sustainable Development created this 351 page document http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf. Within the United Nations' very own documents creating Agenda 21 they openly discuss how developed countries must redistribute national wealth to less advantaged countries. I look no further than the EURO currency with Cyprus, Spain, Greece and Italy. Each failed economy results in redistribution. These same planners have designs for USA, Mexico and Canada called the
AMERO currency. When all "stake holders " are equal within a nation and all nations are equal, guess who will assume leadership on a global basis?
Agenda 21 – Chapter 2
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION TO ACCELERATE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES AND RELATED DOMESTIC POLICIES
"In order to meet the challenges of environment and development, States have decided to establish a new global partnership. This partnership commits all States to engage in a continuous and constructive dialogue, inspired by the need to achieve a more efficient and equitable world economy, keeping in view the increasing interdependence of the community of nations and that sustainable development should become a priority item on the agenda of the international community. It is recognized that, for the success of this new partnership, it is important to overcome confrontation and
to foster a climate of genuine cooperation and solidarity. It is equally important to strengthen national and international policies and multinational cooperation to adapt to the
new realities."
This makes Johnson County Kansas with the second highest US per-capita income a prime target. Add current campus contamination and education required to work at Sprint (tele-communications), Garmin (GPS technologies) and Cerner (digital medical records) as major employers provides the Petri dish of incubation. Enter a few career part-time politicians asking for more free stuff and that explains much of the Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) that continues surfacing as a funding source.
But here I sit, knee deep in snow March 25, 2013. Kansas Spring started last week. Firewood is in and fireplace is consoling a sense of normalcy with the crackling. Heat lamps on in the barn and henhouse. I heard on CNN and MSNBC of record snows and low temperatures across most of the Northern Hemisphere. My mind possibly wounded from frost bite remembers back one year ago when, I shiver at the thought.
This presentation was the result of Johnson County Commissioners considering substantial funding to research the effect of gravity on rain. Public opposition at that time stalled (as in putting the horses back in the barn) that maneuver. But now in blatant defiance of climatic and peer reviewed science,
many if not most of Progressive Liberals pursue their single agenda of global governance within a failed scriptology.
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It"
Ken Dunwoody GOD
Henpecked Acres One Nation
14850 W. 159th St.
Olathe, Ks. 66062
(913)768-1603
kdunwoody2@aol.com
http://NOlathe.net
See the presentation spoke of at http://nolathe.net/2013/03/26/granted-one-record-winter-does-not-a-glacier-make/
I attended a special school board meeting a week ago. Sorry, I haven't had time to post.
I have had a house full of guest for a week and they wanted to spend Easter Weekend in the country. Everyone had a great time. And I had fun cooking all kind of things for a lot of people. What a great weekend. Now, back to the school board of Education thingy.
Nope, no sheriff's deputies were there, just in case you might like to know.
I like them guys, I like them deputies and I give them a howdy every chance I get, I also give them a friendly wave on the highway when I happen to see them.
Oh the special school board meeting, seemed like the same old thing, let's build, let's spend. Just my thoughts and opinions and a suggestion!
One member I am pretty sure is Konnected was at it again. He asked how much is it we can raise the mill levy, is it 5%. Some one responded no it is 4%. So folks, I think we should get prepared to have our property taxes raised by a greedy school district. They don't seem to have education improvement on their minds but building. That is wood or bricks or other materials.
The talk was also about sports and how difficult it is for the basketball teams to practice. The girls High School and Junior High basketball teams and the boys High School and Junior High have trouble practicing. So the school board's only apparent solution is to tax us to death and raise our county property taxes back up to the number one position in the state of Kansas. Good job, good thinking school board. I'd offer a simple cost free solution. Use half court for basketball practice. Then you could practice either both girls or both boys teams at the same time. This would also allow the coaches to help each other and allow the coaches easier communication with their players without having to yell all the way down court. This worked great for the school I attended. Learning positioning was easier for the players and the coaches by being able to communicate easier.
Oh and Dr. Christman's report is in, you know the study done by him after the one done by the college. The studies you and I pay for and don't get to see.
We were invited to be involved in both studies but yet have not been allowed to view either report. I thought the school board of education worked for us, the taxpayers. Am I mistaken?
Yet, another plan by the school board of education is to enter into a contract. A lease with the Church, to use their church building as a gymnasium, another great plan, huh? Anything and any cost to expand and grow and spend tax dollars on sports instead of education.
I think that has been the main goal of the school board of education ever since we got a Konnected School Board president. Notice the word Konnected!
Which leads us to Elk Konnected, LLC
This information taken from Public Squares Communities, Inc's and Elk Konnected, LLC's new web site in my personal opinion is so phony.
And both companies are controlled by Elk County residents, go figure.
I mean with two privately owned companies making these claims and we see absolutely nothing happening. What is really going on?
Is it propaganda?
Could it be considered false advertising?
If any of the local business were continually print or publish or promise things that they could not provide would you shop there?
Read their mission below and please let me know what you think?
We haven't heard anything of Elk Konnected, LLC for months have we?
Oh, that's right a few of them went before the County Commissioners about 2 ½ months ago, begging to save the position that Konnected Kounty Kommissioners made when they had the Kontrolling vote didn't they.
And they were denied, right?
Because they no longer had the controlling vote, did they?
They lost again, right?
No progress for their movement once again.
Here is their most recently published mission statement: (My remarks are in blue)
With the mission statement of "Strong Families, Solid Education, Superior Lifestyle – Stay with us as we grow", the following action teams went to work. Their primary charge is listed below:
• Community Wellness: create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network (Failed so far even with years behind it or please show me where?)
• Community Standards: establish standards in each community (What, how, when, where?)
• Communication: establish a community-wide publication of all activities and events to patrons (I am waiting to read it, please disclose it's location.)
• Physical Image: organize a community appreciation day to clean up our physical image including business, city/county government, civic groups, school working together for each community and in turn so that each community helps other communities (Didn't we see them try copying fro Elk Valley School district with the West Elk School district and were told NO!)
• Youth Development: establish a coordinated program in the Elk Konnected community (Aren't we still trying to find the Elk Konnected community? Where is the youth development? Is it anything like 4-H or Boy Scouts or Girl Scouts?)
Please show us the progress, the accomplishments, please show us something!
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-about/
One final not, please don't believe a word of this until your property tax goes up, Okay, OK.
Oh, look at that thaar front page of dis weeks paper!
Elk Konnected, LLC made headlines big bold headlines, wow!
I have been very concerned we would not hear from them, it sure has been an awful long time.
I wonder why other sports event don't get front page headlines, oh well, that's another issue.
They are still trying, good fer them.
Soccer time play is coming up, get them kids out there and let them learn soccer.
What great exercise for them little boogers.
Maybe someday, some one will follow through and get a soccer league going for our area and the kids can use what they might learn.
Welcome back Elk Konnected, LLC, keep them little munchkins busy.
I'm feeling a bit more sarcastic for some reason today. Got to get back to my rat killing (that is my euphemismfor work I also like to call work --- " Fun", because work s a four letter word.) , I have lots to accomplish.
Have a great spring day everyone.
Yee-haw! Two weeks in a row and Elk Konnected, LLC makes giant front page headlines in the local paper for playing with children.
The editor must not recognize the important issues that are tearing our nation apart as news, or issues our nation is facing over seas as head line news.
But, I guess that is okay because we can get that information from the internet.
What I'd like to know is did the Konnected School Board President facilitate getting the contract or lease signed with the Church to lease their church building?
And exactly how much it is going to cost us taxpayers to lease a church building?
Will all the West Elk School District taxpayers have access?
Because we have a Konnected School Board President will Elk Konnected, LLC be permitted access to the building and equipment?
Has the Konnected School Board President facilitated getting the school board to pay thousands of dollars on those fancy basketball goals with electro-hydraulics and stuff to put in the church?
How much other sports equipment will the school board be required to supply inside the church?
And what will that cost the taxpayers?
Will the school board put in weight lifting work out assemblies? You know those machines?
Since the taxpayers are paying for all of this will the taxpayers of West Elk School District be permitted access to the equipment?
Oh how is that building or adding on to the West Elk School building going? Have you hired an architect yet?
Spend, Spend. Spend that mus be what the job is all about, huh?
I'd like to see that replaced with Teach, Teach, Teach! Improve teaching rather than build, buildings that are not needed.
Lease churches that don't need leasing.
Perhaps, some critical thinking and some problem solving technique's and efficiency thinking is in order!
But, I understand spending other peoples money is plum easier.
Ever heard of half court basketball practice, a team on each end. Oh, that's right, I mentioned that here on this thread didn't I!
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While talking Elk Konnected, LLC does our county Economic Development Employee, who happens to be on the Elk Konnected, LLC
Steering Committee have the choice to show up to work at the County Court House if she feel like it or not? Does she have the choice to say I am working at home? I really don't think so, do you? I don't believe we hire people for telecommute jobs in Elk County. If we do will someone please let me know? Thanks!
I have heard we recently had two employees in the road department fired for
showing up late for work, but
at least they showed up, didn't they?
I hear she claims to be working with two groups, one I have heard, is the restaurant downtown Howard that wants to move out onto the highway, Is that taking up her whole work da, every day.
But what is the other group?
I hear this other one is suppose to bring 1200-1500 people to Elk County. Yea, that's the rumor! That sounds rather grandiose to me.
Just what could our Konnected Elk County Economic Development Employee be working on?
Who does this Konnected Elk County Economic Development Employee work for?
Is she really working on something and keeping it secret, or is she just goofing off and getting paid for it?
If she is really working on something, if so she has an obligation to the County Commissioners and every taxpaying citizen to tell us the details. With the exception of financial information, unless it is coming out of our pocket.
Why isn't this happening?
She works for the elected County Commissioners, as well as you and me and every property owner/taxpayer in Elk County doesn't she? We pay her wages!
If I had ever pulled any of these rumored stunts on any employer, I ever worked for, they would not have allowed me to continue working for them.
I think it is time for the County Commissioners to demand some answers and dispel any rumors, don't you?
What is really going on in Elk County?
"Stay with us as we grow!"
Kansas Country Living.
I get that little rag from my utility company called Kansas Country Living.
I guess they think I should appreciate their gift.
Well guess what, I really don't appreciate it.
I can not for the life of me find anything in it that is believable, because they leave so much out of their stories and their information, IMHO!
They make money by sending it to me, because of the advertiser buy space and those advertisers want me to see their goods and services. Well, no thanks to that.
I glance through it and of course every month it seems there is a connection to Elk Konnected, LLC through an article by someone related to Elk Konnected, LLC via Public Squares Communities, INC. I wonder do they have a marriage license? Just kidding!
I wonder how many more connections there might be throughout the state and the nation?
This April's article is by none other than the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC and President of Public Squares Inc and an ex-county commissioner of Elk County and ex-head volleyball coach at our own West Elk High School (or something like that).
I think there maybe a whole lot more use-to-be's involved here, but I'm not sure what they are. Would anyone care to help me out with some more use-to-be's. Don't we want to give credit where credit is due?
I'm a use-to-be, I use-to-be employed, until I was forced into retirement.
Oh, the article was about a little town waaay up in North Central Kansas. She talks like it is the ideal place to live. Really?
Why doesn't she live there if is she is so unhappy about living in Elk County. She started her little NGO because Elk County is so horrible and they were going to straighten everything out. Well, apparently it hasn't worked!
So wouldn't the pristine little town of Palmer without a school, and a population of 111 people and 50 homes (some relatively new) in a town that has a combination bar/café/ and something else at the end of State highway 115 be the ideal place for her to live. Only one home appears to have a cluttered yard and I bet she could get an ordance passed to get it cleaned up.
According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 0.31 square miles. And I could not find a paved road in the town, I tried to cruise the town on Google Earth.. The State Highway 115 ends at the city limits of Palmer and that is where Google earth ends. At least you can cruise our towns on Google Earth.
I made a phone call to Palmer and I spoke with a sweet and very polite little old lady (she sounded that way to me). Since the article made a statement that the town continued despite loosing it's school I felt compelled to ask when they lost their school. The little old lady asked someone for the book of archives? What, they can't remember, they have to look it up in the book of archives? That's not mentioned in the article that Liz Hendricks, President of Public Squares wrote! I wonder why? She said she spent a whole hour there. Was that really enough time to learn everything about Palmer?
What is the real question she raises about in-home day care in a community at the end of (literally at the end) the highway. People most likely have to travel to work and in today's world usually both parents have to work. So what is the real question? I bet if ya check there is a least one retired grandparent that does the baby sitting. So what is the real point of the article?
Oh the little old lady, I spoke with said, they had strong winds blow through town sometime back and blew down a bunch of "old" houses. I could not get any dates of when anything happened.
Check out this little town of Palmer at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmer,_Kansas
It to has a declining population if people had chosen to move back why is the population declining? Okay they have add 3 people to the community between 2000 and 2010, wow, what growth.
Historical populations Census Pop. %± 1990 121 – 2000 108 −10.7% 2010 111 2.8%
The median income for a household in the city was $31,042, and the median income for a family was $35,625. Males had a median income of $23,750 versus $19,375 for females. The per capita income for the city was $14,670. There were 8.0% of families and 11.8% of the population living below the poverty line, including no under eighteens and 30.0% of those over 64.
Median Age:50.00 Median Age (Male):50.10 Median Age (Female):49.80
From what I can ascertain their kids are bused at least 22 miles to USD 223 in Barnes, Kansas.
From looking at a state map of the community and Google Earth there are 9 unpaved roads and an abandoned railroad bed in this small town. There is a rather large mill in Palmer.
Sure there are advantages to living in Palmer, just as there are advantages to living where I choose to live and that is here in Elk County.
Any place has its advantages and it disadvantages. But when articles are written and avoid the whole story they are basically useless. IMHO!
I can't think of a better place to live than Elk County.
We do have a few busybody sometimes refered to as the elite, that in my opinion caused a lot of distrust right here in Elk County through their NGO. But, yet providing lollipops for a very small percentage of the county's children as a buffer zone. That is sort of like saying don't knock us because of the children. It's like don't bad mouth a church, have you followed all the wrong doings and knocking of a few of the churches in the news over the last couple of years and other organizations like the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and others and how they have came under scrutiny. Well it is no longer taboo!
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 19: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
Okay, some new information has surfaced concerning Elk County and I am looking for more information concerning it. Therefore, I thought, I'd ask if anybody knows anything they can share with all of us, and as well to inform those that don't know about it.
There is another study taking place it is called
"Assessing Community Engagement in Wind Farm Development"
by a few people at the Wichita State University Wichita, KS 67260.
It appears they are asking certain people to participate in a focus group discussion / individual interview designed to explore their views on wind energy projects within the state of Kansas.
Now, what I would like to ask you folks out there that are in the know is :
And what s our Elk County Economic Development Employee working on that might bring I ear 1,200 to 2,500 people to Elk Count?
I believe weave a righto know as we are the people that pay her wages.
Would you know who it is that has commissioned this study?
I would like name's not just the name of some group, please?
I would also like to know is if Liz Hendricks, the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC and President of Public Squares Communities, Inc is involved in this study?
I would also like to as how Elk Konnected, LLC and/or Public Squares Communities, Inc is involved in this study?
I would also like to ask what the purpose of this study is?
What is it that the people that commissioned this study are hoping to achieve?
Why don't they utilize our Elk County Forum to contact more people and post their questions here to get a better sampling of the Elk County community?
Why are Elk County citizens being kept in the dark as to the reason for this study?
I haven't read any thing in our local newspaper, have you?
Why are Elk County citizens being kept in the dark as to the reason for this study?
Just asking what is really going on?
Any sincere answers would be appreciated.
Thank you.
Oh and what is it that the Elk County Economic Development Employee is working on that I hear may bring 1,200 to 2,500 people to Elk County? I believe We have a right to know, as the people that pay her wages?
May I suggest that you contact either of these two WSU professors for details concerning this study you're wondering about. They have both been involved with a grant funded by the U. S. Department of Energy titled "Community & Organizational Participation in the Process of Wind Farm Development". I'm guessing this study you've mentioned may be a part of that grant. Their email addresses are: deborah.ballard-reisch@wichita.edu and chuck.koeber@wichita.edu If you do make contact with either or both of them and get enlightened, please share your findings with us, so we are not "kept in the dark".
I have contacted the people doing the study and I have received an e-mail similar to this one.
Except mine did not include the statement about Liz Hendricks. I am posting a copy of some one else's e-mail that was forwarded to me. I have removed that persons name because I do not have their consent to use their name.
The e-mail follows:
Thank you for allowing Liz Hendricks to share your email address with us for possible inclusion in our assessment of the Caney River Wind Farm Project in Elk County. I am working with Dr. Deborah Ballard-Reisch. She is a professor at WSU working on community engagement in wind energy decision-making. Elk County and decision-making about the Caney River project is our fourth Kansas case analysis and is an extension of the prior project. We are not for or against wind energy development. We firmly believe decisions about wind development should be made within communities. We don't view wind projects as sustainable without community support, so we are working to identify "best practices" for engaging communities in wind energy decision making. The Caney River project appears to be unique in a number of ways. First, project decision-making appears, at least on the surface, to have been more open and transparent than prior projects in Kansas. Additionally, Governor Brownback's decision to expand the boundaries of the Flint Hills also impacted wind development in Elk County. These are elements of decision-making important to our understanding of the development of the Caney River Project in Elk County. So, we need your opinion. I am writing to ask your participation in our process. There are three options you can select:
1) We would like to hold focus groups with citizens in Elk County to discuss issues of participation in decision-making and the benefits/costs you believe these decisions have had on the county (approximately 60-90 minutes per discussion).
2) We would like to conduct individual phone interviews with citizens in Elk County. Your perspective on the Caney River Project and wind energy development in Elk County is important (20-30 minutes interview at your convenience).
3) If you would prefer, you may answer the attached questions and email / mail your responses back to us. If you choose this option, we ask your permission to call and briefly follow up to clarify any questions we might have about the data you provide (10 minutes).
We would like to complete this process by the end of April, 2013. As always, please feel free to contact me or Dr. Deborah Ballard-Reisch with any questions you may have.
An informed consent document and the questions are attached.
Pamela K. O'Neal
Academic Writing Specialist
WSU School of Nursing
534 Ahlberg Hall
316-978-5731
Deborah S. Ballard-Reisch, PhD
Kansas Health Foundation Distinguished Chair in Strategic Communication
Elliott School of Communication
Wichita State University Wichita, KS 67260 - 0031
Phone: (316) 978-6066
FAX: (316) 978-3006
Email: Deborah.Ballard-Reisch@wichita.edu
WWW: www.wichita.edu/esc
This raised my curiosity. I am wondering what the final disposition of this study will be.
Quote from: ddurbin on April 19, 2013, 09:02:15 AM
May I suggest that you contact either of these two WSU professors for details concerning this study you're wondering about. They have both been involved with a grant funded by the U. S. Department of Energy titled "Community & Organizational Participation in the Process of Wind Farm Development". I'm guessing this study you've mentioned may be a part of that grant. Their email addresses are: deborah.ballard-reisch@wichita.edu and chuck.koeber@wichita.edu If you do make contact with either or both of them and get enlightened, please share your findings with us, so we are not "kept in the dark".
Thanks Mr. Durbin I appreciate your response.
I have over the last three days been in contact with three of the investigators listed in the paper work for the study.
I have also received an e-mail to participate. I am just looking for answers before choosing or not to participate.
I have just received the following information from Deborah S. Ballard-Reisch, PhD
Kansas Health Foundation Distinguished Chair in Strategic Communication
Elliott School of Communication
Wichita State University Wichita, KS 67260 – 0031
(I will tell you I deleted a couple of things of little interest to shorten this a bit.) The informed consent document indicates that this study was funded by the DOE. No one commissioned the study. I am part of an interdisciplinary team of researchers from WSU and K-State who applied for a grant from the DOE to do this work. Most of them are engineers. My emphasis is social sciences (people).
As a community-based participatory researcher, my question and interest is the extent to which communities have been engaged in wind energy decision making. I belief this is critical to the sustainability of projects. Wind development is not necessarily appropriate for all communities and thus, their involvement in decision making in this regard is critical. This was a novel question as the involvement of communities has been under researched.
This is my personal line of research. We give final reports to everyone involved in our work. Elk County results will be added to our report from prior case studies and disseminated to participants. The participation of individuals in this study is confidential as is the norm in social science research.
But I still curious what will become of this study and I plan to ask her.
Since this is funded by tax dollars I feel we have a right to know.
I feel I have finally received some very satisfactory answers to my questions from Deborah at Wichita State University.
I was informed Elk Konnected, LLC nor Public Squares Communities, Inc are not involved in this study.
And that Liz Hendricks only provide a few names and e-mails to these people.
No I am glad to get that cleared up.
I also received the following e-mails from Deborah:
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Subject: Re: Wind Energy
Hi Ross,
Wind development is happening in Kansas. As I stated before, I'm a community - based researcher - meaning that I value the input of communities and their engagement in decision - making. It is our hope that our work will lead to a set of "best practices" for community involvement in wind energy decision - making that will benefit all parties involved in the decision making process. I am not pro or anti wind. I think communities need to make development decisions for themselves and I support open process with all interested parties at the table.
I invite you, given your strong perspective on the development in Elk County to respond to our study questions. If you have any other recommendations for our inquiry, please let me know.
Deborah
And again.
Subject: Re: Wind Energy
Hi again,
We send copies of our reports to everyone who has participated. We also present our work to the rest of the researchers on the team and at academic conferences. I hope our work will be published. We are working on a manuscript from our first set of three case studies that I hope will be done by the end of summer.
Deborah
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And I have every intention to participate.
And I hope to read the published report.
When will Elk Konnected, LLC consider options other than just spending OPM (Other People Money) or a least consider spending it wisely?
Well, I have been harping on the Konnected President of the West Elk School District USD 282 and his followers about adding onto the school building, essentially building a Taj Mahal for Howard. Also, I have been harping about leasing the new church building next door for use as another gymnasium. Well, I really believe that they have decided to ignore any discussion of creative thinking or sometimes referred to as critical thinking. Even though there has been some talk of teaching critical thinking to the school children at the school board meetings., to me it appears they fail to practice these methods themselves, so how in the world would they know if these methods were being taught?
I have suggested that there is a lack of need for adding on to the present building, which I was informed, was designed to hold 600 children and only has 300 children enrolled.
I suggested that the school board should concentrate on class room education instead of spending, spending, spending. They even discussed increasing property taxes, the mil levy to build onto the school building. It can be increased by 4 mil they said during a recent school board meeting.
I could go along with a property tax increase if it would improve student education and I'd bet most taxpayers would agree with that. But what the Konnected President of the West Elk School District USD 282 and his followers are mostly interested in is expanding and in my opinion deducted from observing and listening is mostly for the purpose of sports not education.
Why don't we have a blue ribbon school if the education of our children at West Elk USD 282 is so grand? It really shouldn't be that difficult should it? Considering, Especially, since Kansas has lowered the educational standards drastically over the years!
We keep hearing that West Elk meets or exceeds the much lowered standards. But I believe we are only receiving a big smoke job, a smoke screen about that if you will?
The school board members at one recent meeting were informed by the school superintendent that a performance or evaluation report could be done on the coaches and the school board appeared surprised that they could ask for such reports. And they then said they would like to have that report. Please notice, this is about sports not real education. You know that pesky stuff called reading, writing and arithmetic, science or others.
The state requires that the board is provided with, I believe a minimum of two reports every year to the school board on all teachers. And I bet the school board doesn't realize that they can require monthly reports from the school superintendent on each and every teacher if they want. Or perhaps even more frequent. My question is how, do the school board members know what is actually going on without such reports. Every job, I ever had, I received job evaluations and on one job continuous evaluations.
If you recall, I was in the running for school board! But I decided to withdraw, because I had just started studying the Kansas State Department of Education web site and other web sites to prepare for the job. I just didn't feel, I had enough time to be adequately prepared for the job, if I were to be elected.
Well, I am still learning.
I did receive 6 votes even though I withdrew, if that tells you anything.
Yes, West Elk USD 282 seems to acquire or provide plaques for a few classes each year but what does that prove if they are teaching at such lowered Kansas standards? They claim to be out performing other school districts, again what does that prove, if it is at the reduced Kansas standards of teaching?
Is our school district required to maintain these lowered Kansas standards or can they exceed them?
Don't we live in a more connected world outside of Elk County, where our children will be required to understand what they read? Or is this lower standard, a way to keep the children here at home in Elk County, so as to increase the County population for economic development reasons? Really, what is the thinking about education?
Is this the standards these Elk Konnected, LLC folks want for all of the children of Elk County?
Is this the Quality of Life that the Elk Konnected, LLC folks want for all of the children of Elk County?
Will the Konnected President of the West Elk School and his followers reconsider their way of thinking and bring up the teaching standards for Elk County children?
Does the Konnected President of the West Elk School district 282 and his followers want the Children for Elk County to have the very best education they can get?
Copied from the Elk Konnected, LLC web site:
Vision Statement
Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!"
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/about/
So where does Elk Konnected, LLC really stand on education?
Or is it just about sports where they stand?
I see the from the front page of the newspaper that Elk Konnected, LLC has been providing lessons on the weekends for a few of Elk County children, once again on how to play soccer. That is nice entertainment for a few people and a few children, but that is where it end, isn't it? Are there any soccer teams in the area are there any plans for soccer teams?
If no, what good is this exercise except to get Elk Konnected, LLC printed on the front page of the local newspaper?
What value is there in sports education if there is no where to use it?
Which is more important to the Konnected President of the West Elk School District USD 282 and his followers, building a Taj Mahal, sports or teaching a real education for all the children of Elk County.
How much is the School District going to be paying the church for the use of their church building?
Couldn't those good Christians just allow the children to use their building without having to make money off of them?
After all it's all for the children right?
Where is the churches good will towards Elk County children?
Aren't there any Elk Konnected, LLC members that are members of the church?
How much will those hydraulically operated basketball goals for use at the leased church cost?
How much will it cost to maintain those basketball goals.
How much will it cost the school district to provide a person to do janitorial maintenance and service at the church?
Okay, I have stepped out and stepped into it again. But I want all you folks out there to ignore everything, I have put down here in words. Because it is just my own thoughts , nothing more.
Happy Spring Everyone.
QuoteThe state requires that the board is provided with, I believe a minimum of two reports every year to the school board on all teachers. And I bet the school board doesn't realize that they can require monthly reports from the school superintendent on each and every teacher if they want. Or perhaps even more frequent. My question is how, do the school board members know what is actually going on without such reports. Every job, I ever had, I received job evaluations and on one job continuous evaluations
I swore I would not come back to this, Ross....however...happy Spring to you!
you see, the above quote from you is exactly the problem: with your tax dollars, we get to see what is going on.
If the kids are doing par and somewhat in that vicinity that is great! Teachers be damned! What do THEY know? (I studied to become one....it was the school board that made me realize I was a lateral thinker, not a vertical one. I declined)
However, it is the
Sports program that brings in the revenue, especially if they are in the running for championships, and you would be hard pressed to say different.
Sports + winning = revenue for the school.
Who cares if the quaterback can't speel mush???
<<<<<<takes tongue out of cheek
ready....to get knuckles hit with ruler
Hi Ready,
Happy spring to you too!
And as always good to hear from you.
It was a beautiful day today, and I sure hope we don't get any more of those cold fronts this spring. I did appreciate the 1 3/4"of rain I got with it. I understand others got more and I'm happy for them too!
I won't argue at all about the sports, it's just that we are told how well the school is doing.
But they don't say that is it because Kansas standards have ben lowered well below the national standards.
And my main concern is why the school board is so intent on spending so much money and time and effort on unneeded brick and mortar rather than on more class room effort.
Is the school board up to the challenge of improving all of the kids education ?
Really what should the main interest of the school board be?
A. Sports
B. Better Education Standards
C. More Brick and Mortar
As parent, do they want to give their child every advantage in life, if so it's a no-brainer that they would want to try boosting their child's intellect? And as well, wouldn't that apply to all of Elk County children?
With Kansas standards so much lower than the national standard, It would appear to me that they would want to increase their efforts to surpass the Kansas state standards and shoot for the national standards.
Doesn't the Konnected President of he school board want to live by his NGO's mantra ?
Copied from the Elk Konnected, LLC web site:
Vision Statement
Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!"
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/about/
Don't they want the children of Elk County to grow through better education, a sold education in order to have that Quality of life they talk about that would lead to Strong Families.
Will brick and mortar increase the standard of learning at West Elk?
If so, I'd really like to know how!
Oh and the school board has paid to have two studies performed at taxpayer expense, have any of the taxpayer's seen the final results of either study? I believe they didn't like the results (meaning they did not get what they wanted) from the study performed by all those college teachers/professors (they probably said the school district did not need a larger building) and had the second one performed. Just my opinions and thoughts that's all.
Kansas Has Low Performance Standards
http://www.kansaspolicy.org/
We do Kansas kids no favors by telling parents we have high standards. It prevents kids from reaching their full potential and having the opportunity to succeed. In fact, achievement standards were lowered in 2002, again in 2006, and now rank amongst the lowest in the country.
Even with the lowered standards, only 56% of Kansas 11th graders fully understand their reading material - while state reports tell us that 89% are meeting state standards. Full comprehension is not required to "Meet Standard" and be "Proficient" in Kansas.
Too many kids are not able read well enough to succeed and lowered standards do not help prepare our children for the future.
They end up having to take remedial reading when they enroll in college because they do not comprehend what they read.
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USD# Approaches
District Year Standard Meets Standard Exceeds Standard Exemplary
282 West Elk 2012 11 All Students 5.6 % 44.4 % 38.9 % 5.6 %
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USD# Approaches
District Year Standard Meets Standard Exceeds Standard Exemplary
462 Central 2012 11 All Students 3.7 % 14.8 % 40.7 % 37.0 %
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Which is more important Mr. Konnected School Board President building
A) A Better Educational System for the Kids Future ?
or
B) A Taj Mahal ?
Wouldn't it behoove you as the school board facilitator to concentrate on educating all the children of West Elk towards a much better future for them?
So what direction is West Elk going to take with the Elk County Taxpayers dollars, Brick & Mortar or Superior Education?
Oh, lets not forget about sports over education, shall we?
I guess we will just have to wait and see, won't we?
What are the real priorities in education, Mr. Konnected School Board President do you plan to help all the kids ofWest Elk succeed in life or not?
Quote from: ROSS on April 27, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
Kansas Has Low Performance Standards
http://www.kansaspolicy.org/
We do Kansas kids no favors by telling parents we have high standards. It prevents kids from reaching their full potential and having the opportunity to succeed. In fact, achievement standards were lowered in 2002, again in 2006, and now rank amongst the lowest in the country.
Even with the lowered standards, only 56% of Kansas 11th graders fully understand their reading material - while state reports tell us that 89% are meeting state standards. Full comprehension is not required to "Meet Standard" and be "Proficient" in Kansas.
Too many kids are not able read well enough to succeed and lowered standards do not help prepare our children for the future.
They end up having to take remedial reading when they enroll in college because they do not comprehend what they read.
You think these are bad just wait til common core is totally integrated into the schools here. Saw a math lesson they teach that is based on common core, they taught 1 math problem and thats it the whole hour. They are not allowed to stack the numbers but have to group them into boxes and then through a convoluted process come up with the answer. We are talking labor intensive bull****. Stack the numbers and teach them the proper way to do math folks!
Reading skills will go to hell when they cut off reading of classic literature. You can kiss their futures goodbye with this common core dumbing down even further of our schools.
srkruzich,
Exactly!
Here we have the state admitting to dumbing down the students.
http://www.kansaspolicy.org/
That is why I am imploring the Konnected School board President to give some thought to what his NGO stands for.
Do he and his fellow Konnected bunch believe in what they say on their web site or not?
I quote, "Vision Statement"
"Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle."
Or is it they believe, more in spending money that accomplishes nothing?
Will a Superior Building, a Taj Mahal create a bêter education?
Isn't a building designed to house 600 children big enough to house 300 children?
When the school board should be talking about education, they are talking about sports and construction and I just happen to believe that is just wrong.
Don't you think Education should be their first and most important priority?
I mean, I show these statics and I ask you are they impressive to you?
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USD# Approaches
District Year Standard Meets Standard Exceeds Standard Exemplary
282 West Elk 2012 11 All Students 5.6 % 44.4 % 38.9 % 5.6 %
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USD# Approaches
District Year Standard Meets Standard Exceeds Standard Exemplary
462 Central 2012 11 All Students 3.7 % 14.8 % 40.7 % 37.0 %
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Isn't the Konnected School Board Presdent failing our children, isn't he failing his NGO Elk Konnected, LLC' stated, "Vision Statement"
"Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle."
I found this to be a timely and interesting read the title may be a bit of a put off, but still a good read, in my opinion.
How to instantly tell who's evil vs. good: the philosophy of 'control' vs. 'empowerment'
Let's start with the "Empowerment" side first. This point represents people who primarily seek to empower you with knowledge, skills, wisdom and tools. "Empowerment" represents GOOD because it allows wisdom, skills and abundance to multiply from one person to the next. It recognizes the value of the individual and honors consciousness and free will.
On the far left side of the string -- which also represents the political left in America today -- we have "Control." This point represents people who primarily seek to control you:
to extract money from you (rob you), to limit your freedoms, to
demand your obedience and to
use the threat of force to command your compliance. This philosophy dishonors the individual and downplays free will and individual liberty. "
Control" is inherently evil because it seeks to diminish the power of a large number of people in order to accumulate power into the hands of a few people.
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040122_control_empowerment_philosophy.html#ixzz2RwZq8d3C
Does any of this sound vaguely familiar.
Perhaps the following will help you find some similarities.
Just give it some thought, that's all.
And don't believe any of it.
It's your choice.
Sit here, don't sit there.
Don't talk to people you know or who you came with.
Don't talk about the negative aspects, keep it positive.
Do what we tell you or you can not be involved. What better threat or better control is there than this?
Oh well, it ain't nothing but a thing and a green bean!
So just forget it!
Yer friendly redneck hick.
(And proud to be a redneck)
Durn it, I forgot to include, "Where's the Sheriff ?"
Yes this is hearsay and my opinions and thoughts about what is happening in our fair county.
I'm talking about NGO's that in my opinion, that want to build a dynasty. Let me explain:
Dynasty (disambiguation)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A dynasty is an organization which extends dominance in its field even as its particular members change.
The actual hearsay is about me talking with another Elk County citizen and taxpayer that took place a couple of months ago.
He told me that Elk Konnected had sent out letters in what appeared an attempt to recruit 21 to 39 year old people.
We kind of wondered why? Then we decided it's because they could possibly manipulate and control people that young, just a thought.
After all us older folks have been around a long time and have seen a lot of things and just don't bow down to organizations and what they want to feed us.
Wasn't it mostly that age group that elected Obama along with the minorities? Just asking?
Let's work from when Elk Konnected came about and come up to the present.
Did Elk Konnected really come about before the wind farm?
Weren't we informed that there was testing out there on the land that started many years before the wind farm was built.
So doesn't it stand to reason that the founder of Elk Konnected knew that the wind farm was coming before starting Elk Konnected?
Didn't the Elk Konnected founder write an open letter dissing at least on community in Elk County as a reason for starting their organization?
And then didn't they claim they wanted to bring all the communities and peoples of Elk County to agree with each other and to work together?
And didn't Elk Konnected bring in an outsider from Leoti, Washington County, Kansas to control the so called Community Conversations?
And then next they brought in yet another NGO called Flint Hills something or other, at the meeting we attended the first thing that was said was, "We don't know anything about the Flint Hills", brilliant isn't it?
How many more NGO's are going to be designed or organized in an attempt to control what happens in Elk County?
Will Elk County allow it to continue? I mean the gradual progression of NGO's, will Elk County allow this progression to interfere in our present serene way of life?
Which brings me back to the beginning of this post, "He told me that Elk Konnected had sent out letters in what appeared an attempt to recruit 21 to 39 year old people." So now I receive my little rag (magazine) called Kansas Country Living which I get monthly for paying my electric bill. And on page 24 I find an article from our very own Liz Hendricks, self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC and President of Public Squares Communities, Inc about 21 to 39 year olds.
The title of the article "Is there a New Movement in Kansas?
And I wonder,really, so I ask myself did Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, Inc have their hand in it, by recruiting these so called young people?
Is the actual cut off age of 39 the end of being a young person? I always thought of young people as those 20 years of age or younger. But that's the way words get twisted, I guess!
Anyway,she says the collegues of public Squares Communities spend hundreds of hours interviewing citizens in order to hear their hopes and dreams for the future. And goes on to say, "Over and over, voices old and young in some 60 cities and towns have sung one chorus:
" We must engage
and empower
the next generation
if rural America is to survive.". Have you been interviewed? I haven't been interviewed, I wonder why?
Oh, I know why!
Now, I have to ask you folks of Elk County who in the world talks like that?
Do you talk like that?
I don't talk lie that!
I don't know anyone that talks like that outside of some organization, do you?
I think our job to empower the younger folks is first to educate them in our schools, I think we should have a school board that is interested in raising the educational standards in our county. What do all those other 60 cities and towns have to do with Elk County children and young people?
Have we graduated from it takes a community to raise a child to it takes 60 cities and towns to raise a child?
Have we decide it takes 60 other cities and towns to tell us how to live our lives?
I don't think so, do you?
Are we going to let yet another NGO called of all things Powerups get involved in the lives of Elk County citizens and taxpayers and our serene way of life?
I'd suggest if you don't get the magazine, "Kansas Country Living" ask your friend or relative that is on rural electric to borrow theirs and read the article.
To me the article is a lot of gobble gook and about NGO's wanting moore power, hence POWERUPS that's my opinion.
But wait a minute what is happening with our local NGO, Elk Konnected, LLC?
Is it fading away to make room for the POWERUPS?
Where did Elk Konnected, LLC growth go?
Just look at the Steering Committee it keeps shrinking, I wonder why, don't you?
• Jennifer Montgomery
• Liz Hendricks
• Tommie Barnaby
• David Whetstone
Where is the growth?
I know this is extremely long winded but I was just reminded of an old saying I had forgot about and I'd like to share it with you.
This thing dates back to the late 1800's and I think that is pretty solid stuff.
The Boiling Frog Syndrome
Human Beings and frogs are the two creatures in nature who have tremendous power to adjust.
Put a frog in a vessel of water and start heating the water. As the temperature of the water rises,
The frog is able to adjust its body temperature accordingly. The frog keeps on adjusting with increase in temperature.
Just when the water is about to reach boiling point, the frog is not able to adjust anymore.
At that point the frog decides to jump out.
The frog tries to jump but is unable to do so, because it lost all its strength in adjusting with the water temperature.
Very soon the frog dies.
What killed the frog? Many of us would say the boiling water. But the truth is what killed the frog was its own inability to decide when it had to jump out.
We all need to adjust with people and situations, but we need to be sure when we need to adjust and when we need to face. There are times when we need to face the situation and take the appropriate action. If we allow people to exploit us physically, emotionally or financially, they will continue to do so. We have to decide when to jump. Let us jump while we still have the strength.
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The boiling frog story is a widespread anecdote describing a frog slowly being boiled alive.
The premise is that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out,
but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will not perceive the danger
and will be cooked to death.
The story is often used as a metaphor for the inability of people to react to significant changes that occur gradually.
[1] According to contemporary biologists the premise of the story is not literally true; a frog submerged and gradually heated will jump out.[2][3]
However, some 19th-century experiments suggested that the underlying premise is true, provided the heating is sufficiently gradual.[4][5]
Well, I just had to bring this over hear where the topic got started.
I just don't understand why ya gotta start a new thread?
I brought this over from http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15303.0.html
That just doesn't make sense to me, unless it is an attempt to confuse the people of Elk County, is that it?
Quote from: ddurbin on May 05, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
In his on-going, all-encompassing thread, Mr. Ross has mentioned reading about a new movement or group in Kansas known as Power Ups.
Thank you Mr. Durbin for your recognition, I appreciate it very much.
Quote from: ddurbin on May 05, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
Having read the same article he mentions, I was curious whether his questions about possible ties to Elk Konnected and/or Public Squares, LLC might be accurate or not.
Well to answer your query to the best of my ability the article is written by Liz Hendricks President of Public Squares, Inc and Elk Konnected Steering Committee member and I quote Elk Konnected, LLC's own web page and from my previous post:
Quote from: ROSS on May 05, 2013, 09:09:24 AM
Just look at the Steering Committee it keeps shrinking, I wonder why, don't you?
• Jennifer Montgomery
• Liz Hendricks
• Tommie Barnaby
• David Whetstone
Where is the growth?
Mr. Durbin I hope that clears up some of your confusion.
I'd also ask that you read page 24 of the "Kansas Country Living" magazine the second paragraph.
I will quote it here:
(Quote)
"Most recently, two of these impressive PowerUps volunteered to lead a collaborative with Public Squares Communities to engage citizens of 19 Flint Hills counties and envision their future. With the help of Public Squares own PowerUp-Liz Sosa from Garden City-we collectively gathered thoughts and dreams from this age group through one-on-one interviews and large group interviews and large group brainstorming we call Community Conversations."(End Quote)
I attempted to get the exact punctuation and everything equal to what is in the magazine, if you find any errors please let me know and I will correct them. I am neither a
secretary or a typist. Thank you.
I don't read a thing that explains what is so impressive about these PowerUps and I wonder why the omission as to what makes them impressive.
So what makes them so impressive?
A lot of us have been to those so called Kommunity Konversations and understand how they work, don't we?
Quote from: ddurbin on May 05, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
Going to the website of Power Ups, which is www.ruralbychoice.com, one learns it originated with one Marci Penner of the Kansas Sampler Foundation in 2007.
What difference does that make? Does that change anything about the recruitment that I heard was done by letters recruiting 21 to 40 year old?
Quote from: ddurbin on May 05, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
It appears to be a very well designed website and is quite thorough in explaining about this new group.
That is nice, you know what, I have received compliments on my personal web site, too!
Do they by chance differentiate them selves from other Ngo's by anything other than age?
Oh forget that. Since you were good enough to provide this valuable information, their web site that is, I'm anxious to look at it and see what they have to offer.
Thanks Mr. Durbin.
Quote from: ddurbin on May 05, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
I would encourage anyone interested to visit the website and read about Power Ups for themselves. BTW, no where did I see Elk Konnected, Public Squares, LLC., or Liz Hendricks mentioned. If any of them were, I must have missed it.
I repeat from above:
(Quote)
"Most recently, two of these impressive PowerUps volunteered to lead a collaborative with Public Squares Communities to engage citizens of 19 Flint Hills counties and envision their future. With the help of Public Squares own PowerUp-Liz Sosa from Garden City-we collectively gathered thoughts and dreams from this age group through one-on-one interviews and large group interviews and large group brainstorming we call Community Conversations."(End Quote)
Please let me know where I screwed up. Thanks..
Quote from: crosstimber on May 05, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
"The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you're starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that's when you've crossed the line."
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/)
Are you suggesting there is a conspiracy?
What would that conspiracy accomplish?
I'm sure every one would like to know?
I don't believe anyone else has even suggested a conspiracy that's why I ask!
Lets discuss this psychiatric bull shit and conspiracy you are bringing up, just for a moment.
First let's review what you posted:
Quote from: crosstimber on May 05, 2013, 09:23:40 PM
"The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you're starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that's when you've crossed the line."
http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/04/24/why_people_believe_in_conspiracy_theories/)
First no on has said there is any conspiracy, let's get that matter clear and straight and out of the way, okay?
Second the closest word to the conspiracy that I can find in this whole thread is " collaborative" found in the following paragraph quoted from the Kansas Country Living magazine.
Quote from: ROSS on May 05, 2013, 05:24:50 PM
(Quote)
"Most recently, two of these impressive PowerUps volunteered to lead a collaborative with Public Squares Communities to engage citizens of 19 Flint Hills counties and envision their future. With the help of Public Squares own PowerUp-Liz Sosa from Garden City-we collectively gathered thoughts and dreams from this age group through one-on-one interviews and large group interviews and large group brainstorming we call Community Conversations."(End Quote)
I attempted to get the exact punctuation and everything equal to what is in the magazine, if you find any errors please let me know and I will correct them. I am neither a
secretary or a typist. Thank you.
And as far as Psychiatry even the shrinks can't agree on what they are talking about, check out Sunday, May 5, 2013 05:00 PM CDT
"The Book of Woe": Psychiatry's last stand An account of the making of the new DSM questions whether psychiatry is -- or should be -- a science. Those folks are bought out by big pharmaceuticals. Not a conspiracy, just bought out. Money talks and bull shit walks.
http://www.salon.com/2013/05/05/the_book_of_woe_psychiatrys_last_stand/
Even medical doctors claim to only be practicing medicine and trust me some doctors practice better than others. And their profession is a real science.
It appears psychiatry is just hypothetical and used by some non-psychiatric people as a put down. And it just fails to work here, doesn't it.
But please tell us, each and every one of us about your conspiracy theroy, we are waiting with baited breath.
Where is the conspiracy you refer to?
Personally, I think when a persons fails to question what is going on around them, they become the boiling frog and just don't care.
And you posting leaves me to ass/u/me you believe everything that the Obama Administration tells you and that you believe every word the media tells you as well,
Does this mean to you that the American diplomatic mission at Benghazi, in Libya, that was attacked on September 11, 2012 was not a terrorist attack, just a demonstration and that the people in the upper echelon of government should not question the present administration?
Should those people in the upper echelon of government that question the administration seek Psychiatry help because they see a conspiracy, just because they ask questions?
So what is your real objection to discussing local information, events and happenings?
Well Mr Durbin I visited the PowerUps web site and I am not impressed.
But guess what Unlike Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, Inc., they have a membership list.
And that is what it is called a "membership list".
The fact that they have a membership list and the other NGO's don't is sorta
impressive to me.
Guess which Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee Member is listed as a member of the PowerUps?
That's right, I think there is another Konnection between PowerUps and Elk Konnected, LLC.
Jennifer Brummel of Howard, and I thought she was Jennifer Montgomery, I am so confused!
On The Elk County web site it is Montgomery and on the Elk Konnected Steering Committee its Montgomery,
so what is going on?
Can you help me out here with the name?
http://www.ruralbychoice.com/members.php
I don't understand how these PowerUps can accomplish anything based on the fact that they claim they will remain neutral in the terms of political, religious and social views. Isn't it politics, i.e. city governments and county governments that run our rural areas? And that makes me wonder, how they can take deliberate steps to sustain the viability of rural communities if they are going to remain neutral in politics, any answers for me would be appreciated?
And yet they say they are building an inclusive network of peers to give PowerUps a collective voice on important community and statewide rural issues. Isn't this political?
They want to create a quality of life that is desirable to PowerUps. PowerUps, that would be for the 21 through 39 years old right?
Isn't that attitude a bit selfish?
What about the rest of us that don't belong to their little niche?
Doesn't this statement alone make it a political and social issue?
Mr. Durbin they show 83 communities listed and listing 132 members for those communities on their web site. Or at least that's what I count.
Is this impressive?
Here is a sampling of the membership.
Atwood 1 member
Alma 1 member
Beloit 6 members
Caldwell 2 members
Chanute 1 member
Concordia 1 member
Derby 1 member
Fort Scott 1 member
Hays 1 member
Howard 1 member Elk Konnected, LLC's very own Steering Committee member.
Hutchinson 5 members
Independence 1
Iola 5 members
Leoti 1 member Isn't this the home of Public Squares Communities, INC?
Manhattan 1 member
McPherson 1 member
Salina 1 member
Smith Center1 member
Topeka 2 members Wamego 8 members
Winfield 1 member Yates Center 1 member
Great Bend 1 member
It appears to me if Elk Konnected did try to recruit for this group they didn't do to well, with only one person from Howard, what do you think?
I'm not impressed with a member here and a member there, are you?
PowerUps facebook page https://www.facebook.com/PowerUps
On their facebook the PowerUps claim they are building an inclusive network of peers to give PowerUps a collective voice on important community and statewide rural issues. Now, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that political? What happens to politically neutral?
All I see is another NGO like Elk Konnected, LLC that you are a Steering Committee member of and Public Squares Communities, INC that you are President of Ms. Hendricks. So I feel compelled to ask you Ms. Hendricks of Elk Konnected what is impressive about this group or its members?
Does anyone see anything different or impressive about it?
These NGO's seem to be popping up like popcorn in a frying pan.
But as always, these are just my thoughts and opinions and, not to be taken seriously by anyone.
Remember, I'm just an uneducated, redneck hick and proud of it.
I guess, I just don't comprehend all this kinda stuff. So any help would be appreciated!
Will PowerUps be coming to Elk County? Or is it just one person?
Some answers from anyone would be helpful! I am just full of questions!
I do find the boy scouts and the girl scouts to be very impressive with their leadership and their values.
Be sure to follow the cross conversation about NGO's at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15303.msg208102.html#msg208102
I guess the 15 County Kansas City Metropolitan area with a population of 2,035,334 people is now considered rural by some people.
The Mid-America Regional Council (MARC) serves as the Council of Governments and the Metropolitan Planning Organization for the area.
I guess, I don't comprehend the term rural.
My latest post over there can be read by clicking:
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
Well over here, where the conversation about the PowerUps started and then instead of conversing about the subject here, Mr. Durbin decided to start a new thread on the subject. And I respectfully paid it a visit.
Well, I joined his thread for a short period and didn't get any real answers.
But ya know his opening remarks over there about this thread lead me
to believe what a friend suggested to me several months ago.
The friend said there are people that wish this thread would die.
I asked why?
And I was told because of the information posted through out this thread and the attitude that it shows!
And I asked what difference does that make, what happens if it dies?
He said the whole thread will be totally removed.
Okay, I'm thinking that is why they want to slam this thread, and take the conversation to a different thread. And that is perhaps why they referred to this thread as all on-going, all-encompassing thread. Well I accept that as a compliment for this thread. Thank you guys.
Also I believe that's why they come up with the remarks referring to getting psychiatric help for conspiracy thoughts even though absolutely no one that I remember has ever said anything about a conspiracy. So when they suggested a conspiracy, I asked them if they were suggesting there is a conspiracy. Well, I never got an answer, so I guess we will never know. Will we?
I have heard of communities outside of the metropolitan areas and past the suburbs often referred to as sleeper communities. It is not something I made up. These communities are referred to as sleeper communities because the people get up in the morning and drive into the Metropolitan area to go to work and return to the communities to live their lives and to get a good nights sleep and then return to work again in the morning in the Metro area. This in turns provides the economy the community needs to survive. It's simple these workers spend their earnings in their communities and they use that income to pay their property taxes or to rent homes and apartments and some of that goes to pay the property taxes on the rental property. Although they may call themselves rural they are dependent on the Metropolitan area for their existence.
We here in Elk County do not really have that available because it is far to far to travel for most people to commute to Wichita or Bartlesville. If a person running an internet business were to try to move here to Elk County and try to find 6 or 8 highly qualified internet technologist willing to work for him, I doubt he would find them. But if near a metropolitan area he has a greater chance of finding such qualified people because of the size of the population.
But then they changed the subject from the article about Baldwin City to Plainville which was not even mentioned in the article.
That's just my thoughts. And I don't ask you to believe a word of it.
Oh least I forget thanks for the following link Mr. Durbin.
http://www.kansassampler.org/siteassets/LizHPowerUpstory.pdf
Mr. Konnected President of the West Elk School Board of Education (Not School Board of Recreation),
We all know that you are reading this thread, so I would like to let you know about the mailings, at least to me,
from the school staff of notification of school board meetings Agenda.
I am on the West Elk School USD 283 mailing list and I am having trouble understanding what the staff is doing with that list.
Perhaps, Mr. Konnected School Board President you can correct, what I consider an error on the part of the School Staff.
I just received the Agenda for the May 8, 2013 Regular School Board Meeting, the envelope is postage stamped 11 May 2013 and i have received it today May 13, 2013.
An agenda that is received 5 days late is useless, don't ya think?
Is this any kind of a respectable way to treat a parent and taxpayer?
Is this a way of discouraging taxpayer and parental participation?
Now, it is my understanding that the purpose of being on the mailing list,
is to receive the Agenda a few days before the regular or special school board meetings,
so a person has an idea of what is happening at the meeting.
Isn't that why the Agenda is published to show what is going to take place?
If not why publish it?
I am wondering, if this is just an inexcusable ongoing error on the part of the school staff, or is it intentional, or if it is a standard operating procedure at the school.
I sure hope you can get this situation corrected and I can avoid taking the problem to the Kansas State School Board, I am saving the post marked envelopes and the dated notifications of School Board meetings for that purpose if necessary. And i sure hope it is not necessary.
I sure hope you can correct this problem and see to it that I receive my mailing of the Agenda days before the meeting instead of days after the meeting. I'm counting on you to get the job done Mr. Konnected School Board President.
Thank you,
Ross
You know I was just thinking about the NGO's here in Elk County and all the other NGO's across Kansas and the US of A.
They all seem to think they know what is best for us as individuals and what is best for our local governments and it dawns on me, if they are such great visionaries and have such great planning and programming techniques why aren't they operating on the national level.
Perhaps with their combined knowledge they could solve some real problems.
For instance the artificial making of money at the rate of $85 Billion dollars a month by the Fed, now stopping that would be a major accomplishment. This is causing each and every one of our dollars worth less each and every month.
Don't you suppose solving that problem might help our local economy? I mean instead of playing with children and manipulating young adults doing something meaningful about our country's financial situation would be far more important wouldn't it? Isn't it time for visionaries and the highly educated to do something effective?
Couldn't they help straighten out some of the other problems with all that thinking power?
Like fixing the following:
(Yea, I plagiarized the following, because I got no edumaction and I am not a member of the elite).
The Department of Justice, run by the nation's top criminal Eric Holder, runs a vicious surveillance and secret police campaign against none other than the Associated Press. When the outrageous behavior of the DoJ comes to light, Eric Holder claims, "I know nothing! Nothing!" (Same story for Obama... they knew nothing!)
The Benghazi narrative pushed by the White House is now obviously a total lie, and this lie strongly influenced the presidential debates and 2012 election. The Benghazi attack was actually a terrorist attack -- and the White House knew it! But they covered it up, lied to the public, and even stood down U.S. forces to make sure the ambassador was killed so that he couldn't spill the beans on the U.S. weapons transfers being made to terror groups in Syria.
The IRS intimidation scandal. The targeting of political enemies. Thought crimes. The IRS demands to know all your Facebook posts, the titles of the books you've recently read and even the contents of your PRAYER! The IRS then uses this information to selectively delay only the applications of non-profits that teach the Constitution, or patriotism, or are opposed to Obama. Can you say criminal corruption and total abuse of power? This is anti-American and traitorous!
Obamacare plus food stamps add up to the most jobless recovery in American history, according to a commentary by Forbes Magazine.
Louis Woodhill, a Forbes contributor who is a software entrepreneur and serves on the Leadership Council of the Club for Growth, noted the United States is now 46 months into its third job-poor recovery since 1991.
Why don't they tackle real problems like:
• Welfare
• Unemployment
• Poverty
• Gangs
• Financial Crooks
• Political Crooks
• When the Dollar Collapses
Why do they think they know what is good for the individual or the individual small community? When all of the above National problems are related to the community's problems?
It is my personal opinion that it is all about how much money they can rake in for themselves (that is those at the top of the NGO) as long as the NGO's are collecting taxpayer's dollars as gifts, donations or grants or commonly know as OPM (Other Peoples Money) they are good to go. And as long as they can throw out a lollipop or two and get credit for it, they are happy. Oh, let's not forget the feel good stories that may leave out a lot of facts and information. Do you think those stories lack any negatives because that would foil the goals of the NGO producing the feel good story.
I mean, doesn't the $85 Billion fabricated by the fed every month have a negative effect on these feel good stories?
Doesn't the increasing Welfare population have a negative effect on these feel good stories?
Doesn't the increasing population of poverty have a negative effect on these feel good stories?
And so on!
When can NGO's actually tackle real problems other than community rivalry which has been around as long as sibling rivalry? I thought that kind of rivalry was being competitive, you know as in sports. All you gotta do is pay a little attention to the USD 282 School Board of Sports, IMHO!
Is community rivalry, which can also be known as competitiveness a bad thing? Isn't it competitiveness that is supposed to make us grow strong? What ever happened to that concept?
What do you think?
Isn't all that gooblety gook by NGO's simply that gooblety gook?
Anyone, know how many NGO's there are in Montgomery County or Sedgwick, County? Just curious!
Doesn't reality have both positives and negatives?
And aren't those positives and negatives involved in everything?
How good would your car battery work with only a positive post on it?
I do have my tin foil hat on while I am typing this, thanks to whoever gave me that idea!
LOL
Please don't believe a thing you read here, my tin foil hat has a hole in it, okay, OK!
I hope you had fun reading this.
I realize this could go to many threads, but since you brought up the welfare system, ehh.
Interesting facts that were not too well published --
So now we find out that the entire Tsarnaev family (Dad, Mom, 2 sons & 2 daughters) started receiving government assistance as soon as they set foot in our country. As political
refugees they were entitled to settlement assistance from day one. (Section 8 Housing, public healthcare, food stamps etc.)
Then their stellar older son impregnates and marries the daughter of a doctor, and this new little Muslim family receives 18 months of government assistance. They only came off welfare after the
naive young wife started working 70 hours a week while husband Tamerlan stays home and builds bombs and plans to kill and injure the very Americans who have paid for his pathetic existence for the past 12 plus years.
A Breakdown of your and my investment into the Tsarnaev Family:
· Section 8 housing
· Free public healthcare
· Food stamps and other EFT transfer payments
· Federal Pell Grants for both sons and most likely their daughters as well. (That is $5200.00 per year for each son or daughter who attended a college.)
· City of Cambridge also awarded a $2500 per year scholarship to the younger son.
· Younger son also reportedly was receiving a state college scholarship.
What did we receive for our investment:
· Older son was arrested for domestic battery on a former girlfriend.
· The mother was arrested last year for shoplifting $1600 in merchandise from a Lord & Taylor store. The mother is facing immediate arrest for failure to appear regarding this matter.
· Then of course we know that the two sons combined to kill four people (3 Americans & a Chinese exchange student), severely injure 100 plus other people, carjacked another victim and only let him live when they found out that he was not an American citizen.
· Now we have the two pathetic parents who have returned to Russia and are claiming that their poor sons are innocent and are being framed by the same American government that allowed for their pathetic existence the past 12 plus years.
When are we going to put a stop to this madness??
Can someone explain to me how this family arrived in the United States as political refugees, meaning they are seeking protection from the Russian government, and then 3 of them are allowed to travel back and forth between the United States and Russia without any fear of Russian retribution or imprisonment?
Shouldn't their travel visas alone raise a red flag with the FBI, Homeland Security, and the government welfare system? At the very least, all welfare should have been cut off when the family returned to Russia for a visit. It is obvious they are not afraid of the Russian authorities, so they lied on their application to enter the United States as refugees.
Reporters on television keep asking where the money came from to support the Boston terrorist attack. It seems to me our government welfare system contributed a lot of support for 12 years. This administration needs to quit buying votes with welfare payments and get control of this situation before we inadvertently finance a bigger disaster such as 911.
Nicest place to be: in someones thoughts
Safest place to be: in someones prayers
Best place to be: in Gods Hands
God Bless You and God Bless America
I agree Bullwinkle that is so wrong.
And that's why I wonder why all those NGO's with their visionaries and big positive ideas can't fix it.
Is it perhaps because they have some ulterior motive they don't talk about?
I mean I'd rather they fixed the system rather than try to fix our citizens here in Kansas and Elk County.
I mean they tell us how bad some communities are and I say B. S. on that.
Oh, they could work on improving education since the Kansas State School Board says that standards are so low in order to go to college the kids have to take remedial reading so they can understand what they are reading. A lot less effort on brick and mortar for unneeded larger buildings and la lot less effort on sports and a lot more on education.
Have a good evening Bullwinkle.
Opinions, Politics and My Wallet
Really, now every one has opinion even if they don't express one. Just what are those opinions based on?
Are they based on :
• How pretty she is How handsome he is
• How blonde she is How rich he is
• Which political party she is What political party he is
• How many years someone has of art and basket weaving in college?
Or are they based on facts and whose facts are they?
Can the facts be verified from several different sources?
Take for instance Global Warming and Climate Change what's the difference and what is the same about the two titles? What is the truth related to each title? Whose truth is it?
Is it the same people that several years back said that more than a couple of eggs a week were bad for us. But those same people, today, say just the opposite. So what is really fact or fiction? Who is going to profit financially off of the so called facts?
My personal opinions are based on many things which are subject to change and sometime dependent on my mood. Why? Because, true facts are seldom available.
Fer instance:
When a high paid, educated federal employee says she did nothing wrong, but takes the fifth amendment during a hearing before a single question is asked and says that is what that amendment is for to protect ---- Give Me A Break. How do you know if answering a question will be self incriminating before the question is asked? If you have done nothing wrong how can you incriminate yourself?
Here in Elk County we have a few folks that consider themselves as Konnected.
These Konnected folks I guess are considered middle aged or something.
I get the impression old folks don't know anything.
Across Kansas we have a few people that consider themselves as PowerUps.
These PowerUps (a term from video games) are suppose to be 18 to 39 years old.
And in the White House and President Obama visited with illegal aliens known as DREAMers.
An age group of illegal aliens from 16 to 30 something.
What the heck is wrong with this picture?
How about age discrimination, doesn't that sound about right?
Oh and least we forget skirting immigration laws.
But more about them facts as far as being real or not Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945 said:
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State."
Aren't all those feel good stories just lies when the actual facts (the negatives) that lead up to the story are left out? I also feel omission is the same thing.
If we are continually bombarded with, only discuss the positive as if the negative does not play apart in the picture, aren't we bombarded with a monstrous lie?
They don't want us (you and me) to ask questions that might actually lead to the truth do they?
My personal opinion is that this philosophy applies to Government Leaders especially ones that take the fifth amendment before even asked a single question to the lowliest NGO's across the country. It appears to me to be away of hiding their secretive agendas. Pretty simple isn't it?
If the school board keeps saying long enough that the school building designed to hold 600 children can not hold 300 children, will we believe it?
If they keep saying more gymnasium space will improve education long enough, will we believe it? I think we know they simply want to build a Taj Mahal for Howard, at least that is what I see happening.
If they continue to say they are exceeding state requirements and therefore giving a good education to all school children long enough, will we believe it?
Even though the state has said they have lowered education standards so much over the years that a child going to college will have to take remedial reading to learn how to comprehend what they are reading, are we going to believe the school board is doing all they can do to improve education?
Is it all about spend, spend, spend or what?
That is where our wallets come in, unnecessary taxation!
More property taxes, is that what you want or improved education for the children?
These are just some questions for us to ponder.
Here is another feel good story:
http://www.krwa.net/news/smalltown.html
Wait a second our newspaper has as editorial about this business.
Let me review it's ceasing operations except in Labette County, what a shame.
Why did this happen, I wondered. Well the paper says economic development funds have dried up, and now it appears Quad will wither on the vine. What a shame.
But, I must ask what does "economic development funds" mean?
Where do those funds (money) come from?
Was it OPM, taxpayer's money?
Was this business dependent on (OPM) other people's money?
Are we experiencing austerity?
Don't companies like these mentioned throughout this post have the entrepreneurial ship to earn their own money and thus be able to sustain their own business?
If not how in the world can they help others, if they can't help themselves?
I may be crazy, but I'm not insane. So, if you pleas just ignore all this as B. S. and pay higher taxes.
I hope everyone has a great Memorial Day weekend. I'm expecting out of state company which I will enjoy.
Bye-bye
Here is a suggestion for the Konnected School Board President to really help the kids down the road to adulthood.
But first, I must ask something, hoping to receive some enlightenment.
I just visited Elk Konnected's web site and your steering committee seems to have a population decline, just like most of the rural communities throughout Kansas. Only four Steering Committee members and that includes the President of Public Squares Communities, Inc. What is happening with that, "Stay With Us As We Grow" thing?
Oh, well to a suggestion and a little info that might be useful to you and the School Board of Education members.
Instead of brick and mortar how about concentrating on educating? I, like many others learned this stuff through the school of hard knocks and studying on our own. Perhaps, if I had learned some of it in high school, I would be even better off than I am today. I have passed some of this knowledge to a few youngsters. One kid that received what he thought was a free credit card. I had him read the fine print about the 21% interest and then had to explain to him what APR meant. He was a high school graduate with no knowledge of money, what so ever. Just like me when I graduated. Here is a woman that is making a difference across the US of A.
May 28, 2013, 7:02 a.m. EDT
What this country needs is a good money lesson.
Commentary: Financial literacy must be a national priority.
By Muriel Siebert
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Americans are in dire need of financial competency.
People have to be taught about money. We need to make the U.S. Financially literate coast to coast.
I speak from experience. My father died broke after a long bout with cancer. He was a dentist and had a degree in engineering from Case Western Reserve in Cleveland Ohio. Our family moved out of our house into a one-bedroom apartment; I dropped out of college, although Western Reserve — where I was attending at the time — allowed me to continue with my courses. Though I did not obtain a college degree, I've received 20 honorary doctorates over the years.
I always knew numbers. I'd get A's without studying. Numbers talk to me. But when I went to Wall Street, women weren't paid anywhere near what men were. So I decided to start my own business. For that, I needed a seat on the New York Stock Exchange.
Back then, all 1,365 members of the exchange were men. But in 1967 I purchased the first seat ever sold to a woman. In 1975, I opened Muriel Siebert & Co., which became one of the nation's first discount brokerages.
After I opened my new office, every young woman fresh from college who wanted a job on Wall Street walked in. So did every widow with money. Soon it became apparent to me that none of them had any real knowledge of finance.
In 1977, I received an unexpected call from Albany: then-Governor Hugh Carey asked me to serve as banking superintendent for the State of New York. Though the offer was untimely for me, New York City is the nation's financial capital. I put my brokerage firm in a blind trust and took the job.
Over the next five years I got an even broader look at how many people lack the most basic financial information. A parade of panicked teenagers would stream into our consumer services office, their credit maxed out, on the brink of bankruptcy, confused and scared, hoping for help.
One young man with a part-time job brought in his paycheck and complained some of his money had been "stolen." No one had taught him about taxes. These kids didn't understand that by charging last night's dinner on a credit card and paying the minimum balance, they would be paying for that meal for years. I was horrified that these youngsters were financially finished before they started.
When I was growing up in Cleveland, children were taught how to save. We got saving stamps from a vending machine, put them in a passbook and took them to a bank. That kind of discipline doesn't exist these days — at home or in schools.
In the late 1990s I met with then-chancellor of New York City's Board of Education, Rudy Crew, and worked out a program to teach high school students the fundamentals of personal finance.
It took a while, but the course — Siebert's Personal Finance Program: Taking Control of Your Financial Future — went into New York City public high schools for seniors in 2004 and was expanded to middle schools in 2010. The program teaches teenagers the mechanics of debit cards, credit cards, prepaid cards and loans in core sections: Money & Income; Budgeting & Planning; Banks & Banking; Credit & Bankruptcy; Saving & Investing, and Protecting Your Assets/Insurance.
The program is being taught in New York City schools with follow-up testing. At Benjamin Cardozo, a large, highly ranked public high school in Queens, senior class has scored an average of 94 for the last eight years. Teachers there tell me the kids are more interested in personal finance and money more than anything else they study. They want to know about interest rates; how not to get into debt with credit cards, what makes a high- and low credit score. How can they pay for college?
Besides New York, my program is taught in schools in nine other states including North Carolina, Florida and New Jersey. The Muriel F. Siebert Foundation finances the Siebert financial literacy program for the schools.
Moreover, three states, including New Jersey, require at least a one semester course devoted to personal finance. Nineteen other states, including New York, incorporate personal finance instruction into other areas, such as economics.
Financial literacy can be mandated at a local board of education level. The State of New Jersey mandates financial literacy as a requirement for high school graduation.
I will keep pushing for personal finance education to be a graduation requirement in every state. Financial literacy can change lives — and change the nation.
Muriel Siebert is the founder and chairwoman of Muriel Siebert & Co.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/what-this-country-needs-is-a-good-money-lesson-2013-05-28?siteid=nwhpf
And something that might be new to you and perhaps useful to you and the school board members.
E-Mail From: Education Week
Date: 5/29/2013 1:24:32 AM
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I hope you find some of this helpful in your jobs as members of the School Board of Education.
Have a great and safe day. And keep an eye on the horizon!
None of the above! There was a time when credit cards were not handed out willy nilly to anyone who could spell their name. One had to qualify to get a credit card! My parents had charge accounts at one gas station and several stores, but there was no credit card.They sent the bill to my parents every month and it had to be paid every month. There was no running interest.
I think I was about 30 before I ever got a real credit card.(I paid by cash or check.) By then I had a good bank account and a reliable job.
Daddy finally got a master card to get money from the ATM when he was about 60. He had a Sears, Acme and drug store card. That's about it.
My parents taught me about real life money and how it all worked. We had simple and compound interest in high school, but not much more than that. Now the banks WANT people to screw it up and get into debt so they can keep collecting the interest for many,many years. People no longer pay attention to the real, total cost of something. They just check to see if they can handle the monthly payment....and the bank folks and real estate people will be glad to show you how, even if one eventually pays three or four times more than they would have. Not smart.
So what exactly is your point?
Please clarify?
Do you or do you not believe they should teach personal fiancé in school in Elk County?
Something, I posted under General Announcements and Announcements I feel it belongs over here as well.
It was an excellent County Commissioners meeting IMHO.
Quote from: ROSS on May 29, 2013, 09:24:30 AM
I sure hope this is accurate information.
I was just informed there is a Special County Commissioners Meeting Today at 12:30 pm.
Supposedly it is about paving the road to the Grenola Grave Yard and it seems that our Konnected Kounty Kommissioner told the Grenola Community that the County would pave the road all the way through town.
And this is the issue to be ironed out at 12:30 pm today.
It might be interesting to hear the facts first hand at this special meeting, I will be trying to attend. Hope to see you there
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Quote from: ROSS on May 29, 2013, 04:35:23 PM
I made it to the meeting and it was an interesting meeting it seems there is some misunderstandings about the road where it enters the city limits of Grenola. As I understand it Grenola thinks half of the road inside the city limits is owned by the county. Which would mean the county/city line would run down the center of the road.
And while the paving crew is out there paving the county road from the city limits to the graveyard Grenola would like to have the remainder of the road paved. They would pay for their side of the road and want the county to pay to do the other side of the road.
Only problem is there doesn't appear to be any clear cut lines on the map.
While County Commissioners Ritz and Hebb concentrated on trying to find clear and definite information and wanting to do the right thing, I had a different perception of what Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau was pushing.
It was let's do this and now. Could it perhaps have anything to do with his son living on the road? Just asking?
County Commissioners Ritz called the county attorney and left a message for him when he did not answer. Apparently the man was in court. He called someone that was knowledgeable of roads and got help from court house employees going through everything they could to try to verify who was responsible for what part of the road.
After two hours they finally closed the meeting with no resolution. There will apparently be more study into the situation.
Another thing pointed out was this was not in the budget, however Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau suggested we have contingency money. I don't believe this would be the purpose of contingency money which would in my opinion only lead to hasty decisions and possibly wrong decisions
In my opinion County Commissioners Ritz and Hebb were exactly right.
As Commissioners Ritz said and I am not quoting word for word, you can't just rush into this and do the wrong thing. If you pave it and find out it is the cities job, then every one else will want the county to pave a road for them. And on top of that you then have the responsibility of maintaining it.
I do feel compelled to commend the Mayor of Grenola on his patience, co-operation and his assistance and understanding of the situation.
Job well done Mr. Mayor.
Oh, I learned from a member of the audience that our Konnected Ekonomic Development has written a letter quitting her job.
And the amazing thing about that is Just as soon or very shortly after the letter is received a second letter comes in.
From who? I don't know!
For what?
The Economic Development Position. I'm thinking , Huh?
Is it perhaps another Konnected person that can't wait for the Commissioners to even decide if they are going to refill the position?
A person that could not wait for the County to Advertise the position?
I'm asking myself does Elk County need to pay another person to fill the position that has given us absolutely nothing for the salary?
I am hoping that the County Commissioners choose to discontinue throwing away our tax dollars.
And IMHO there is absolutely nothing complicated about economic development.
Sarcasm On.
Can I have the job of Economic Development for Elk County?
I believe I can show up 4 hours a day and do nothing.
Oh, I could even telecommute on stormy days or if I don't feel like coming in.
Please consider me for the position.
Thank you.
Sarcasm Off
Ross, you're a hoot.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 29, 2013, 05:14:54 PM
Ross, you're a hoot.
Why thank you Bullwinkle, I accept that as a compliment. I assume it is anyway.
But I feel better as an unedumacted, redneck, hick.
Or am I being a fool. Oh well. I have admitted to being crazy.
I just don't like seeing my tax dollars wasted on a job position that has accomplished nothing in 3 or 4 years.
I like your posts, keep up the good work.
Have a safe night. I'm praying for rain but none of that other stuff.
Hey. would you look at that in today's news paper.
Page 4, far right hand column, just below the fold in the paper.
Busy Bee Childcare will open in Moline
But then the article goes on to say will open soon.
And accepting applications.
I wonder isn't the same name Elk Konnected was using for their daycare?
I wonder is this an Elk Konnected daycare?
If so why don't they say so?
If so why aren't they on the front page?
Did Elk Konnected lose front page privilege?
Buried deep in the middle of the paper. My, my.
I wonder if this is Elk Konnected if this time it will last longer than the Wellness Center they opened?
Oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait and see like everyone else!
Pardon me for wondering out loud.
Unless anyone has any answers that is!
I got a call and a suggestion of where to find information about the non-profit Busy Bee Childcare that will open in Moline.
This post contains, what I think, may be useful information for anyone wanting to check out any company in Kansas.
This information is at the Kansas Secretary of State web site for public information.
Business entity filed documents
ENTITY ID: 6368807 ENTITY NAME: ELK KONNECTED LLC
http://www.sos.ks.gov/cm_servicewm/displaydocuments.aspx?docid=02921791
http://www.sos.ks.gov/cm_servicewm/displaydocuments.aspx?docid=02513279
Business entity filed documents
ENTITY ID: 4666434 ENTITY NAME: BUSY BEE CHILD CARE, INC
http://www.sos.ks.gov/cm_servicewm/displaydocuments.aspx?docid=03357770
If none of this works or if you want to check out any business in kansas simply go to this link and enter their name: https://www.kansas.gov/bess/flow/main;jsessionid=e119342dd41e528106fcf007d411a02e.aptcs03-inst1?execution=e1s2 and follow the instructions.
The information received may not be used to make money as in selling the information and that is Kansas state law.
The above mentioned document for Busy Bee Child Care, Inc shows Elizabeth Hendricks as one of the INCORPORATORS.
And I find that interesting because, she is the President of Public Squares Communities, Inc. and the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC and a member of its Steering Committee.
And with all of Elk Konnected's talk of communicating with the Elk County residents and wanting every one to Konnect why won't they use this medium as they said they would?
I have asked if the Busy Bee Child Care, Inc was an Elk Konnected, LLC business as advertised months back in the local newspaper but, I guess Elk Konnected, LLC really isn't interested in communicating with and instilling community cooperation and interest . Please correct me if I am wrong.
So I ask once again is this going to be an Elk Konnected, LLC accomplishment or not?
Or is it a separate entity with nothing do with Elk Konnected, LLC?
These are not hard questions to answer and communicate about are they?
On your Elk Connected web site you state, "With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service." Which indicates you felt they were not cooperative in the fashion you thought they should be. Where Elk Konnected, is your cooperation with the citizens of Elk County?
Is cooperation a one way street?
A little off the beaten path but pertaining to education.
Something I find a bit dangerous.
The collection of personal physical information on children that can be used in so many different ways.
And perhaps in ways that haven't been thought of yet.
Conducting iris scans on students without parental notification or consent.
For safety purposes, I don't think so, that would only be an excuse to gather the information. IMHO!
Mr. Orwell where are you?
http://educationfreedomohio.org/2013/05/30/florida-schools-conduct-iris-scans-without-consent/
"Beware of he who would deny you access to information for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Commissioner Pravin Lal, U.N. Declaration of Rights"
http://livebyquotes.com/2012/%E2%80%8Ebeware-of-he-who-would-deny-you-access-to-information-for-in-his-heart-he-dreams-himself-your-master-commissioner-pravin-lal-u-n-declaration-of-rights/
Even though, I disapprove of the U.N. I believe this guy is quite right in what he says.
My bet is, that he is probably equally guilt of with holding information!
People sometimes in positions forget what their real position is, IMHO!
Has our school board made any information available about the two studies we have paid for, i.e. the university and there friend the Dr. from eastern Kansas?
Have they posted on the school website or in the local newspaper any information?
The results of the studies and the cost of the studies?
What happened to the follow up for the public, that was promised and suppose to take place, and never done?
Why the lack of transparency?
Why doesn't the school board want you to know the final results?
Because, the reports probably tell them they don't need a larger school building, is that possibly why?
Is it perhaps the reports say they need to concentrate more on education and raising their teaching standards?
What are they hiding in those reports?
You/we pay through the nose as taxpayers for those reports and You/we receive nothing for our money, why?
Yes, they know, they could scan those reports into the high priced school computer system and post them on the school web site you/we pay for.
Just who does the School Board of Education work for work for?
If I remember right they work for the taxpayer.
You and me.
Quote from: Warph on June 05, 2013, 12:55:11 AM
Mooch Gets Testy With Heckler: "Listen To Me Or I'm Leaving"
– Update: White House Scrubs Portion Where She Threatened To Leave
MRS. OBAMA: So let me make the point that I was making before: We are here for our kids. (Applause.) So we must recapture that passion, that same urgency and energy that we felt back in 2008 and 2012. Understand this. This is what I want you all to understand, this is not about us — no one back here. It's not about you or you, or your issue or your thing. This is about our children. (Applause.)
Why do they do that?
Why do they say it is all about the kids?
With out you and me and every adult involved there isn't anything about the kids.
When the politicians and the NGO's say it's all about the kids, what they are truly saying is it is all about what they want and how they want to rule and what ever their agenda is, in using our tax dollars. It's also about how much money they can get to pay themselves a salary.
If it's all about the kids and not the taxpayers dollars to pay their salaries, they wouldn't need the public involved, now would they?
If it's all about the kids and not the taxpayers dollars to pay their salaries, they wouldn't need the county commissioners involved now would they?
If it's all about the kids and not the taxpayers dollars to pay their salaries, they wouldn't need the city councils involved now would they?
If it's not about the adults and their taxpayer dollars, why have a meeting for them to attend?
It's sort of like that saying, "It takes a village to raise a child."
Would you turn your child over to a village or an NGO or a politician to raise?
Don't forget you have the village idiot involved in that, "It takes a village to raise a child." plus the drunks and the druggies and the thieves.
It is all gobble gook talk that they expect you to swallow hook line and sinker, IMHO!
Why don't those same bull shitters tell Sebelius it's all about the kids? Where is that village in Washington, DC?
Sebelius Won't Waive Transplant Regulation
For 10-Year-Old Girl With Five Weeks To Live,
Says "Someone Lives And Someone Dies"
What about the kid, the little girl that needs a lung transplant, you know the one where Sebelius said, "Someone Lives And Someone Dies".
Are Michelle Obama and Sebelius part of the very same Presidential Administration? All about the kids? What about this kid, just die! No chance to be all that you can be, sorry kid, you ain't worth the money, you get no steering committee. Bye-bye.
What is wrong with using plain down to earth language and explain themselves clearly?
Is it vulgar to make yourself clearly understood without twisting words and using catch phrases?
Is it vulgar to express your desire to acquire taxpayer dollars to use as you desire? No, no gotta say it's for the kids.
Why use the kids as a crutch by saying it is all for the kids, when it is all for your own decisions and your own glory and your
own paycheck? The Glory ---- being wrote up in the newspaper ---- and not in the Obituary section ---- but on the front page --- how cool is that?
Why? Because you don't want the truth known it might hinder getting your hands on taxpayer dollars, that's why, isn't it?
Oh lest we forget Steering Committee's don't make mistakes do they? ( even itty-bitty Steering Committee's)
Major Think Tanks with Mensa Minds with numerous college degrees and numerous doctorates make mistakes, but Steering Committee's don't ---- right?'
So do we continue to fall for their B. S. ?
I just received my little magazine from my rural power company yesterday, called Kansas Country Living.
Nope nothing directly from Public Squares Communities, Inc this time or Elk Konnected, LLC either.
This month's article is from a colleague of Public Squares Communities, Inc.
It is entitled Professional Coaching:
What is it and Why?
And it says, "This Kind of Coaching Turns the Controls over to the Team."
I guess there are coaches out there for everything. Coaches to lose weight, coaches to play football, coaches to play basketball, coaches to fight, coaches for financial planning, coaches to help ya think. What next? I wonder what it cost for a coach to think for you?
I bet it's expensive, don't you?
I guess, I don't understand the article one little bit! I can not find where the explanation is for what Professional Coaching really amounts to.
And I thought the planning team or Steering Committee was already in control. After all don't they hire the Professional Coach as an aid? As someone to give advice not orders?
But what can a person in such a profession do to help? I can't find that in the article, can someone help me find it?
Well, I can only assume it might be equivalent to what I have been teaching my son, something I learned in high school from an excellent teacher. It is so simple, why pay someone to do it for you? What is it?
Just ask yourself the following questions: "The 5 W's and an H."
• Who?
• What?
• Where?
• When?
• Why" and
• How?
•
I also added the Railroads advice, "Stop, Look and Listen".
And to think there are apparently paid Professionals to tell you this stuff!
Where is that college education getting you if you have to hire someone to think for you?
I'm just a redneck hick (and proud to be one) that just doesn't comprehend all that higher education gobble gook thinking. Do they really spend thousands of dollars to get that diploma or several of them only to then hire people to think for them?
Anybody got any answers? Please help me understand!
If I can't get any help with this line of thinking, I'll just have to remain blissfully ignorant.
For any help you may be able to offer, thank you in advance.
I wonder what surprises today's local newspaper might have in store for us.
I really enjoyed the rain this morning, I sat out on the front porch for awhile to enjoy it even more. I hope you enjoy the rain as well.
School Board Meeting
June 10, 2013
6:30 pm
Mr. Konnected School Board President not present at opening of meeting therefore Mr. Black was facilitating. However it is my opinion this meeting like every other meeting is more of a School Superintendent meeting. I happen to like this school superintendent because he is a very likeable man and very intelligent. It is my opinion with his intelligence he is very capable of controlling the meeting without most people realizing this ability.
I have also been of the opinion that only elected officials should be sitting on the school board and that all others should be seated in the audience along with taxpayers and teachers and coaches. The secretary should be seated at a separate table. If the school board is not capable of performing their elected jobs of having a school board meeting then perhaps they should consider learning how to do it.
If they require answers concerning the operation of the school they can then ask their questions of the individuals that are seated in the audience without having continuous interruptions during the performance of their elected duties.
It is my opinion if the school board really wants citizen's participation as stated in their so called studies they would set their table up to face the audience for clearer communication to the audience and avoid mumbling across the table to each other. If you notice most public boards operate in this fashion i.e. school boards, county commissioners, etc. Do they really want citizen involvement? Do they really want the citizens to know what is happening during the board meetings? I personally don't believe they do want taxpaying citizens to know.
Oh, I'm sure they will argue they don't have the room to set up their tables in the fashion normally used by public boards, but I would have to disagree. They have lots of room through out the school building they could utilize, just as other organizations have been allowed to use the school building.
And what is with the picnic set up on the table for every meeting. Who pays for it?
Is it the taxpayers that pay for it? If so, since there is such an abundance of food why don't they share with the taxpayers in the audience.
If they want the citizens to come to their meeting offer a buffet, how that for an idea?
Why be so anti-social and one way?
But when do they start concentrating on improving the education standards, don't they understand that should be their number one concern?
Back to the meeting.
I guess spending $85 an hour to have a man show up at the meeting with a poster board with the layout of the school building and saying he has nothing more to offer at this time is more important. How lame is that? Oh the man said something about $6,000,000.00 to construct a new extension, I think for a gymnasium. Cool huh? Oh that might contain a Community Storm Shelter. I could see a Storm Shelter for the Children and Staff, but not a community Storm Shelter. If Howard wants a Community Storm Shelter, I think they should consider building it inside their community so it is easily acceptable for every in town. And they should pay for their own shelter and not make everyone in the county pay for it for them. The man charging us $85 an hour says he will be putting together a questionnaire asking what they want. What? Haven't they been talking to him, has he been listening? Oh well?
And Howard wonders why there is friction through out the county. All they have to do is give a little thought to their actions, IMHO.
They discussed repurposing (their word) rooms to move the children out of the trailers and into the school building. Go figure. The building has been reported to be designed to hold 600 students and there are only 300 students.
They discussed moving the grade school library into the main library and partition the grade school library into two class rooms. And do away with the trailers?
Wait a second, do away with at least a quarter of a million dollars worth of trailers that were purchased just recently at how much of a loss. They are now saying the trailers are not FEMA approved, but what, weren't they saying when they purchased them that, they were FEMA approved? Did they put your children in harms way? For the cost of those trailers couldn't they have kept the Moline School with it gymnasium open? Wouldn't it be cheaper to reopen the Moline Grade School than to build a new gymnasium and discontinue renting from the Church? Who's pockets are possibly being lined? Where is the transparency at West Elk?
Okay they do away with a library and still keep a highly paid librarian, where is the sense in that? Do you need two librarians for one library? Heck, do you need two principles for one school building. Do you need a highly paid School Superintendent as well? What are we talking about here maybe $200,000 a year which includes a full range of benefits.
Just take a look at Elk Valley School District. Two school separate building and they have a School Superintendent that fills the position of School principle for both buildings. How's that possible, is he better qualified than our School superintendent? They also operate just fine with one gymnasium, why can't West Elk.
WHERE IS THE EFFICIENCY AT WEST ELK?
There is so much more to cover but I will have to continue later.
Well did you read that in the local newspaper?
Under the article in the paper labeled Elk County Commission, the County Commissioners voted unanimously to accept Jennifer Montgomery's resignation effective May 30, 2013.
Now, I think that is saving the county taxpayers some money and a good move.
But, lookie here, in the next article right below the Elk County Commission article is the Howard City Council article. And after several executive sessions the council voted to hire Jennifer Montgomery as deputy clerk on a 90 day probation. Nice transition Jennifer, I wish you all the luck in the world with your new position. So many people go for such long times of unemployment before landing a new job, you are very fortunate. Job well done.
Let's look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. and Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
I wonder why the school board does not publish this amazing study they hired done?
Wasn't it worth the money? Is it because it was a job they could have and should have accomplished as the School Board of Education?
To me it appears that they paid someone excessively only to put together a shopping list, I read no recommendations from Mr. Christman to improve matters. So where is the gain for the massive consultation fees.
I'm taking notes right from the report that we paid $1962.00 taxpayers dollars for. No I won't be covering every line in the report. Sure I'm biased, but I like to think biased on behalf of the county taxpayers and Education. Sure, biased against building a Taj Mahal for Howard. Biased against waste of your and my money.
My remarks are mostly in parentheses.
They speak of Facilities overcrowding, scheduling conflicts and additional gym.
(There it is again folks another gym. If it is overcrowding why are they planning to move the grade school kids out of those expensive trailers and into the main building? Is it the sports they are concerned about or education?)
Mr. Christman listed the following issues:
• Limited Resources (so where do they get the idea they can build a gym)
• Declining Enrollment (later he lists home schooling and internet schooling as a reason, they don't mention kids attending other schools in the area)
• Changing demographics
• Bond issue-taxes (will they waste more taxpayers dollars to be told no again)
This long-term educational plan will allow West Elk USD 283 some degree of control over the impact of internal and external forces can hav on a school system. (Really? What external forces are they talking about? Would it be the taxpayers wallet? Would it be that residents may be asking that they concentrate more on Education and less on sports and to use our monies more wisely?)
They state the residents acknowledge the positive relationship between a successful and high achieving district and growth for the communities. (Really? If they understand it that way, why do the harm to Moline by closing their grade school?) (Do they really believe Howard will grow in population by building a Taj Mahal they can not afford? Is this issue more about the businesses in Howard taking in more money?)
Under appendix A:
Outside community involvement is listed. (So how do they plan to accomplish this if they won't work with the public, the taxpayers? We paid for this so called study and it has never been published, nor has the one from Wichita State University. In fact they never followed up to completion of that study did they?)
They also list Board Policy Development. (Just what they heck does that mean? They have Kansas State School Board laws to abide by don't they? We will get into this a little more later. I personally think it is the intent to stop board members voting against what the minority want to do. But they is exactly why we have so many board members, it is called diversity.)
(Why do I harp about Howard you may ask. Well if you don't recall Howard talked about moving their city limits out to encompass West Elk and Elk Konnected who list their business at Howard address refer to West Elk as Howard West Elk. And if you notice approaching Howard either from the North or the South at the city limits is a sign that says, "West Elk 2008 State Championship 2A Boy Track and Field" did the City of Howard earn that distioction? NO! Why then are they stealing the glory from West Elk, have they no pride? Those signs belong to West Elk and should be on the north and South side of West Elk not Howard. After reading this will they set things right and return the glory to the children of West Elk? All we can do is wait and see if they do the morally right thing.
I'll be back with more from Chris Christman's $1062.00 report. And some more of my personal opinions. But listen I don't ask you to believe a word of this, and please don't take my opinions as your own. Decide for yourself. You can also go to the school and ask to see the report if you think I am making an of this up. Thanks for indulging me. Don't forget it is your money at play here and don't you suppose it should be used effectively and efficiently?)
Let's continue to look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. And Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
My remarks, My thoughts, My opinions are in parentheses.
Apendix B
Group: Administration
4. Maintained high expectation.
(High expectation of what? How empty is that statement?)
5. Communications are better between faculty and staff and parents.
(Better than what? Better by what measure? Have they been working on a problem of communication? Can't they communicate what they are talking about? Or is this just so much hooie?)
6. Beginning to become unified. We are now West Elk and the elementary and the secondary staff is blended into 1.
(Really? Why is there two principles and two librarians for one school? Do you really need two people to do the job of one person? If you are truly blended two of each is very unnecessary, isn't it? Would any of you people that run a business that requires one person to run a cash register pay to have a second do the same job at the same time at the same cash register? I hardly think so. JMHO!)
To be continued. Again these are only my opinion, nothing more.
Even with help from outside the state with an apparently retired college professor our Konnected School Board President can't get a clear report. Just words without much meaning, no meat between the slices of bread. Where is the leadership in that?
Let's continue to look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. And Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
( I'm trying to keep My remarks, My thoughts, My opinions in parentheses.)
Apendix B
Group: Parents/Patrons/Community
3. Above standards speaks a lot for teachers and parents.
(Perhaps for those that don't understand that even the State says the standards are way below the national standards(as posted earlier). When does the West Elk School Board of Education address that Educational issue?)
5. Concerns about the viability of the modular – not enough community support to make the change.
(What concerns? Would that be the approximately ¼ million dollars spent on the modular's and the loss of money if they are removed? Does the West Elk School Board of Education think it is best to continue wasting the taxpayer's money? Is that the viability they are talking about? Does the West Elk School Board of Education believe what it states in this report that having a school in the communities will bring growth to that community? Is that the viability they are questioning? If they truly believe that, why not save tons of money and reopen the Moline Grade School? I'd bet that Moline would be more than happy to sell it back to the school district for the $1 they bought it for. And it sure wouldn't cost the $1.2 to 6 million I heard mentioned at the school board meeting. Rather than just adding a gymnasium you would regain all the classroom space and office space and a gymnasium. Or is this just all about Howard and the COMMUNITY Storm Shelter for HOWARD that they keep saying FEMA money is available for? What the hell is viable? I suggest, if Howard wants a community shelter let them get the FEMA grant and build it inside their community. Not all the residents have the ability to travel out side of the community to access a storm shelter out on the highway, a better option to service the majority of Howard would be to place their storm shelter in the center of their community, wouldn't it? Or is it they don't care about the majority of the citizens of Howard? Perhaps the Konnected School Board President can clue us in if they care about the majority of citizens?)
8. Sports not over academics, but classes are squeezed into the gym – maybe not another gym but at least a PE area.
(Now if that is true, why all the talk about constructing a gymnasium and the association of Community Storm Shelter? They are not talking of constructing class rooms now are they? If they need an area for PE, why don't they try stepping out the door into the fresh air, out there you will find all kinds of room. You even have a track to run on. PE can be as simple as jogging , calisthenics, playing dodge ball and so many other things that don't require a giant room. Do the teachers lack creativity? Or is it simply the goal of the Konnected School Board President to build a kingdom or a Taj Mahl?)
12. Healthy lifestyle philosophy into school and community.
(since when is it the function of the West Elk School Board to address the childrens or the communities lifestyles? Are they in a position to condemn or disapprove of personal choices? If so by what authority? Shouldn't they stick with Education and improving the quality and standards of educating? Do they have a problem with reading, writing and arithmetic? Sure, that is the standard statement used about education, but that also includes science, grammar, biology, science, spelling, languages and other aspects of education. What is it they don't comprehend? We will discuss the three "R's" as we move through this $1600 taxpayer report, okay? It should be coming clear, why they don't post any of these expensive reports so the public can read them. But, I will try to further clarify as I move through the report.)
Group: Licensed Teachers
1. Space and increased classrooms and another gym – takes away from the junior high teaching schedules.
(Say what, another gym, see what I mean, it's all about another gym. How does building another gym increase class rooms? They say it takes away from the junior high teaching schedules, that to me would mean they are failing to teach and the school board should encourage the teachers to teach. What do you think. Really though this statement just reads as foolish as hell and it's only purpose is to construct another gym? Why are there no real facts in this study? Where is our $1600 worth? Why doesn't the retired Professor offer any recommendations?)
2. Cap the size of class size – need policy.
(Really? They state in this report that enrollment is shrinking. How many kids do you have in a class? Where are the facts and numbers? Do your classes exceed 25 students, do they exceed 35 students? A report of this nature is worthless with no facts, IMHO. $1600 worth of taxpayers for nothing, that is what I am reading here, what do you read?)
(Oh, I know, I am not making any friends by exposing the worthlessness of this expenditure for a worthless document, But, that's okay, they are not making a friend of me by wasting my tax dollars.)
(There is still plenty more to go but lets take a short break. I think as we go along you will understand that problem solving for the school board is to blame you and me. (I'm aware for every problem there is a solution and often many choices for that solution and it doesn't always require building new buildings and tearing down trailers and spending millions. So, let's continue to explore this expensive document, okay?)
Let's continue to look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. And Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
( I'm trying to keep My remarks, My thoughts, My opinions in parentheses.)
( I couldn't put this one off because the kids remarks seem to make the most sense to me than the adults remarks. And I believe a couple of their remarks should be addressed during School Board meetings. JMHO)
Apendix B
Group: Classified
2. Space – Facilities – Build a grade school. We are crowded, teaches on carts, mobile units and rooms are used for dual purposes.
(See they even have the Classified employees saying build. What difference does it make, what the room is used for when it is unoccupied. Get real!)
5. Second gym.
(Again with the gym, for what purpose other than sports? What about education improvements?) (Why not try to listen to the kids about bad teachers? Ou wanted their input, didn't you?
Group: Students
1. New Facility – the grade school should have their own instead of a trailer park at the North end of the building.
(Since when is this the a responsibility of the kids?)
2. Teachers – the bad ones should go and keep quality, involved with students.
(Are you paying attention?)
3. Better lunch – not enough and improve quality.
(Perhaps the same quality of the picnic at each of the school board meetings. Don't the kids rate quality food and enough to satisfy their hunger? Isn't it said by all you education people that a good breakfast is important for paying attention in the class room?)
4. Bullying – "Better Look Out" the teachers say they don't know it's happening – reported by nothing being done.
(This sure strike me as an attention alert or does the school board intend to wait until there is a real serious problem. Where are the teachers and the two principals and the school superintendent, in the teachers lounge? Who is paying attention?)
5. PDA (Public Display of Affection) – Lots in the halls – way to much.
(Where are the teachers and the two principals and the school superintendent, in the teachers lounge?)
6. Breakfast is crowded – Grade schoolers everywhere and maybe 1 or 2 tables for high school.
7. Shared gym with elementary.
(Sharing is better than not having a gym isn't it? I believe this is a good lesson to learn, sharing that is. I think it is far better than greed, don't you?)
8. Always feel prepared for the next grade level – middle school Math teacher (Former) always had us prepared.
(Is this another indication of poor teaching, will anyone look into it?)
9. Scholarship lady is awesome.
10. Smaller class size is a plus.
11. Gym – We need better equipment and weight facilities. Wrestlers practice in the cafeteria. We need a second gym.
(They do not need better equipment and weight facilities, they would simply like to have it. Go home and ask your parents to buy it for you and work out at home, study at school. Practicing wrestling in the cafeteria should be no problem when th cafeteria is empty. You have some where to practice right? We wrestled in our back yards.)
12. New Gym floor.
(How about better floor maintenance, why spend, spend, spend. Oh, it's not your money is it?)
13. AC in gym.
(You go to the gym to work out and to sweat, why air conditioning.)
14. School Board and Superintendent need to see the student body. School Superintendent should come and introduce himself the first day of school.
(Are you listening School Board, you asked for his input! But wait not all of you even know the layout of the school building do you? That is what you said at the last school board meeting? At least one of you didn't know you could tour the building, go figure!)
15. Better English programs @ HS. We need grammer – less movies and literature. Bring Grammar back! And explain more.
(A cry for education from the students, how about that?)
16. More college prep.
(This sounds like a very good suggestion doesn't it? Another cry for education from the students, how about that?)
(There is still more to come, and even better in my opinion.)
I stopped by the West Elk District Office this last Friday asking for information pertaining to the trailers and was told the School District Superintendent was not in that day and that he had to be available to provide the information. I was not asked to fill out a request under the freedom of information act at that time.
So I stopped by again this morning and had not even stated what I wanted I simply asked to speak with Mr. Moore and after a slight hesitation I was told he was on the telephone. Then I was offered a Freedom of Information Act form to fill out. Folks everything at that school concerning it expenses, construction, School Board Meetings everything except personal information about staff, teachers and students is public information.
In fact it is my humble opinion the School Board should listen to themselves about understanding high technology and the importance of it and what they that they think we don't understand.
Every bit of public information should be posted on the Schools Web Site under the title of "Public Information".
We are paying for all that high tech and it should be used by the School Board which is the elected governing body to provide the information freely.
My question is why don't they provide this public information openly and freely?
Are they trying to hide the truth?
Come on School Board do something constructive tell the School Superintendent to tell the administrative staff to get the job done. The School Superintendent is there for that purpose. That is to work for you the School Board not the other way around. Step up and show some leadership on behalf of the citizens of Elk County.
Mr. Elk Konnected School Board President as president it is your job to facilitate the meetings not to have total control. Here is something for you to facilitate at the next meeting and exercise you leadership skills if you have any. Bring it up and let the board discuss it and vote on it if you think tat is necessary.
Let's see some concern for the taxpayer, please.
I sure hope this simple task is not to difficult or challenging for Mr. Elk Konnected School Board President's leadership skills. I really shouldn't take much effort or even to post the info on the web site should take little effort. Let's see if he can get any results and action completed shall we?
In fact this is a challenge to the School Board as a whole to accomplish something rather minor.
I hope they are up to such a small challenge forma taxpayer.
Also, before I even asked about the study performed by Wichita State University which some of us participated in, I was politely informed that the school district had nothing to do with it. Pardon me, but those people couldn't just walk in on the school campus and do as they wanted, now could they? The district office would have had to be consulted and have approved of their presence, wouldn't they? And the school superintendent would most likely have had the consent of the school board, right? Would our elected officials or our school superintendent approve a totally secret study by outsiders? I doubt it! WI do believe we were informed the study was being done to provide our district with suggestions to improve the education process at the school. So where is this report? Where is this information?
You don't suppose those professors and maybe students would have lied to us about returning as a follow up to discuss their findings with us and then not do it, do you? You don't suppose they would keep their findings and final report secret do you? I don't think so.
Well I am in the process of trying to find out. I have just e-mailed Wichita State University requesting information, which I will gladly share with you when I receive it.
CCTP... ;D ;D ;D ;D. We have them here too. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 17, 2013, 01:38:24 PM
CCTP... ;D ;D ;D ;D. We have them here too. ;D ;D ;D ;D
So exactly what does that mean?
And what does it have to do with the subject?
What I find is CCTP is Community-based Care Transition Program (CCTP) associated with the Federal Office: CMS/Medicare?
Please try to make some sort of sense when you post, please!
I find this to be a very appropriate statement considering our nations several recent embarrassing scandals.
I think it applies locally concerning adult and leadership decisions, so I am sharing it.
I don't recall where it came from, but you decide if you agree.
For the children: Used as a substitute for what it really means; bad policy or really bad policy. Tyrants and dictators have long cloaked themselves with the faces of children. Higher-form creatures take every effort to protect their young, and humans are no exception. So any policy, no matter how feckless, is accepted if it can be sold as a protector of the children. "For the children" rivals "to keep us safe" as the most dangerous of phrases that result in loss of freedom.
Um, what has this to do with the county commissioners?The school board business doesn't either does it? Or am I wrong? CCTP?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 17, 2013, 06:26:43 PM
Um, what has this to do with the county commissioners?The school board business doesn't either does it? Or am I wrong? CCTP?
I have to assume what you are asking because of your lack of communicating what the
"this" is.
What it has to do with Diane if you would kindly read what is posted is the Elk Konnected School Board President and any other Konnected Board Members. Is that clear enough for you? We are down to only one admitted Elk Konnected County Commissioner at this time and Elk Konnected no longer has two controlling votes. Do you get it?
Please pay attention and try to follow along and comprehend.
Why be such a smart alec? That is very unnecessarily rude.... CCTP It's nice that the locals don't punch you out (verbally) for insulting anyone having anything to do with the schools.
Hi Ross...good the questions are being asked, albeit persuasively directed. (IMHO)
We are adults and we can decide.
I wanted to know, if there was not an Elk Konnected (sic) board member on the staff would you have joined this venue of questions to this organization at this particular time?
Education is important as well as the necessary spending of your tax dollars...(I would think the same of my county).
Don't need to re-iterate your statements Ross...I can read! ....most times yet the comprehension is a whole 'nother issue! :)
ready.... to be edumacated.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 17, 2013, 06:50:52 PM
Why be such a smart alec? That is very unnecessarily rude.... CCTP It's nice that the locals don't punch you out (verbally) for insulting anyone having anything to do with the schools.
Well I find it a smart assed thing with your silly CCTP. without explaining yourself.
So I guess we are even.
Quote from: readyaimduck on June 17, 2013, 06:56:32 PM
Hi Ross...good the questions are being asked, albeit persuasively directed. (IMHO)
We are adults and we can decide.
I wanted to know, if there was not an Elk Konnected (sic) board member on the staff would you have joined this venue of questions to this organization at this particular time?
Education is important as well as the necessary spending of your tax dollars...(I would think the same of my county).
Don't need to re-iterate your statements Ross...I can read! ....most times yet the comprehension is a whole 'nother issue! :)
ready.... to be edumacated.
To be frankly honest I don't know Ready.
I did not really want to get involved in politics because of the amount of lying, misdirection and such that is involved in it.
But after that dadgum list out out by Elk Konnected and watching their manipulations of our county government and voting to do for their own organization while the communities had to beg it just set me off.
I'm just stupid I guess. But the school board claimed they had to shut down the Moline School and they needed the trailers worth something in the neighborhood of 1/4 million dollars and have referred to them as an eyesore even prior to getting them. They claimed they could not house all the children in the school building. Well at the last school board meeting they talked about repurposing some rooms in order to house all the children and to get rid of all the trailers. Just where is the sense in that? And they continue to talk about building another gymnasium and community storm shelter.
The school system should not be in business to provide a community storm shelter out side the city limits of Howard for Howard at the expense of people that won't be using it. If Howard wants a community storm shelter they should discuss it with their citizens and probably build it in the center of town so all their citizens have equal access whether they are walking or driving. We that don't live there should not be asked to provide for Howard. I say if Howard want's the FEMA grants or monies that are available to them, go for it.
If the school wants another gymnasium and more class rooms there is a viable grade school building available and shaming the school board every day it sits empty. Shame, Shame, Shame.
The school board in my estimation wants us to believe if they build a newer bigger school children will just appear out of no where and the economy of Howard will follow. Who do they think they are they kidding? We all saw the movie, "Build It And They Will Come". well that was fiction and paid extras that left after the movie crew was through with them.
Yea Ready, I'm just a crazy redneck old fart that has no understanding of what is going on and they wish I would shut up. They were told no on their 5.5 million dollar bond issue and in effect no to closing down the grade school, but did they listen? They don't even listen to themselves IMHO. They keep saying enrollment is declining yet they continue down the same path. Do they bother to talk raising education standards, NO!
Are they the School Board of Sports, the School Board of Ignore the Taxpayer, the School Board of Construction, or are they the School Board of Education?
I'm sorry I'll step down off the soap box now.
Thanks for asking Ready and have a good night.
Ross, there are easily obtainable school square footage requirements you could look up for yourself. Number and age of kids x square footage required = minimum size of building, including the usual "specials" and other offices. That's how we knew how big the new Jr. Sr High Charter school needed to be. We didn't just guess at it. plus we knew how many new grades we wanted to house.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 18, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
Ross, there are easily obtainable school square footage requirements you could look up for yourself. Number and age of kids x square footage required = minimum size of building, including the usual "specials" and other offices. That's how we knew how big the new Jr. Sr High Charter school needed to be. We didn't just guess at it. plus we knew how many new grades we wanted to house.
That info is not necessary and with our technology and the internet anything in the world can be looked up and all it takes is the ability to decipher good info from bad info.
What is being discussed here is local human behavior and actions and reactions concerning wastefulness of taxpayer dollars. As well as the difference between "want" and "need" locally here in Elk County an nothing to do with living and voting in New Jersey.
First they close down a perfectly good grade school building, then they claim they don't have room in the West Elk school building for all the children and they spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for FEMA approved trailers, even though they think of them as eyesores. Two years later (now as in today) they are repurposing (their word) rooms in West Elk so they can move all the children into the main building. Their intention is to get rid hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of FEMA approved trailers, now saying are not FEMA approved and because they are eyesores. And they are wanting to build a New Gymnasium and throw in a Community Storm Shelter for Howard. The Community Storm Shelter would be for Howard even though the School District is outside of the Howard city limits because Howard is the closest community to the school. Where is the logic, where is the critical thinking in all of this?
They are told a resounding "NO" in a county vote, yet they continue on their agenda. Where is their shame, have they none?
I just can't seem to make the situation any clearer and I hope you understand not even New York City or Los Angeles can have anything to compare with our local situation. I hope, I'm clear as mud. We are a unique county with our own unique people and our own decisions and discussions, this is about local stuff.
We are not discussing Federal stuff here or even State stuff here. We are discussing local stuff. Perhaps if you lived here you could understand, but I don't know.
That's enough for now. TTYL
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 11:55:27 AM
That info is not necessary and with our technology and the internet anything in the world can be looked up and all it takes is the ability to decipher good info from bad info.
And I am sure that if we interpret something and draw a different conclusion than you did, that you will claim we lack the ability to sort out the good from the bad.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 12:27:25 PM
And I am sure that if we interpret something and draw a different conclusion than you did, that you will claim we lack the ability to sort out the good from the bad.
Well, I would never say that, but I would reserve the right to disagree with you, and you could do the very same thing.
But, is that it, that's all you got out of that whole post?
Who is we?
Would that be the Elk Konnected School Board President and that tiny group?
The purpose of the school board is to discuss all angles and provide sensible solutions and board members are even courage by the State School Board to have heated discussions. And that is where the conflict should be happening, to prevent the waste of hundreds of thousands of taxpayers dollars. Conflict is good contrary to what some people think. You can not have positive without negative.
I read their statement that the school board should be unified and IMHO, that is totally wrong. To me that says everyone should agree all the time with one person and that is not the purpose of having 6 or 7 people on the school board. You know it's like that unified thing discussed on page one of this thread.
Let's review a little bit about their ideas:
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Being unified simply means turning control of all decisions to one person or entity, now doesn't it?
And that would have a tendency to wipe out the individualism of each of our unique little communities, again IMHO!
Leadership for each and every member of the school board is a personal and individual attitude based on aptitude and integrity and should not be compromised by unity as in unified IMHO. Better results would surely happen if attitudes and actions are individual. IMHO!
Do you believe the guy that lives out in the far west or far east or far south west or far south east of the county should pay more school property taxes to provide a
Community Storm Shelter for the
city of Howard as a part of spend his tax dollars for
Education?
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
Do you believe the guy that lives out in the far west or far east or far south west or far south east of the county should pay more school property taxes to provide a Community Storm Shelter for the city of Howard as a part of spend his tax dollars for Education?
I am responding only to point out an error in geography in the above statement. Far east Elk County is in the Fredonia School District, USD 484 or in the Elk Valley School District, USD 283 as is the southeast corner. Far southwest Elk County is in the Central of Burden School District, USD 462 and there is even a chunk in the far northwest corner that is in the Eureka School District, USD 389.
Please don't confuse the boundaries of Elk County with the boundaries of the separate taxing entity of West Elk Unified School District 282.
A more appropriate and geographically correct question would be:
"Would the parents that live in a portion of south-central Greenwood County or a portion of north-central Chautauqua County, and the other land owners of said areas, pay more school property taxes to provide a storm shelter for the protection of the areas' children while in school in central Elk County; a shelter that can also serve as a physical education classroom?"
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 03:01:49 PM
I am responding only to point out an error in geography in the above statement. Far east Elk County is in the Fredonia School District, USD 484 or in the Elk Valley School District, USD 283 as is the southeast corner. Far southwest Elk County is in the Central of Burden School District, USD 462 and there is even a chunk in the far northwest corner that is in the Eureka School District, USD 389.
Please don't confuse the boundaries of Elk County with the boundaries of the separate taxing entity of West Elk Unified School District 282.
A more appropriate and geographically correct question would be:
"Would the parents that live in a portion of south-central Greenwood County or a portion of north-central Chautauqua County, and the other land owners of said areas, pay more school property taxes to provide a storm shelter for the protection of the areas' children while in school in central Elk County; a shelter that can also serve as a physical education classroom?"
I do believ,e I communicated my point quite clearly, that being, should people that live a distance from Howard be required to pay through property tax for Howard to receive a Community Storm Shelter outside of their city limits?
Should Howard finance their own Community Storm Shelter inside their city limits and apply for the FEMA grant if they want it.
But if you insist lets say the far east part of the school district.
Should the School District be required to provide for only the Howard Community?
How about the School District build a Community Storm shelter in Moline, Elk Falls, Longton and Grenola as well?
Or don't we care about those other communities?
Or is it just all about Howard as usual?
Thank you.
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 05:35:57 PM
I do believ,e I communicated my point quite clearly, that being, should people that live a distance from Howard be required to pay through property tax for Howard to receive a Community Storm Shelter outside of their city limits.
And I believe I communicated my point quite clearly. What are the top two reasons for the shelter? To shelter the children, teachers and staff that attend and work at the school complex, and too provide some needed room for K-6 P.E. classes. If there is room left over for others to shelter there, especially if it is in the evening, night, weekend, or during summer break, then what is the harm in that?
If it were built and only students and personnel were allowed to use it, you'd be screaming from the rooftops about how selfish and wasteful it was to have such a facility available and not let the public utilize it.
What if a tornado warning goes up at 5 pm on a Saturday in April, or at any time of any day in the month of June or July? "Oh, sorry, can't use the storm shelter even though there is no one in it". What if one occurs during the FFA awards banquet, a Saturday volleyball match, or the school play? "West Elk Students and staff to the storm shelter, the rest of you parents and guests are on your own."
These are just basic examples of what you are suggesting, and they are not only possible, but probable. The school complex was barely missed by a small tornado shortly after it was built, resulting in some roof damage. And it happened when school was not in session.
It is not a Howard vs Moline, Severy or Elk Falls thing so quit trying to make it into one!
Charlie, I have been staying away from the Forum since Ross has made it his own personal NEGATIVE public Forum. I couldn't, resist telling you how good your post is and how much sense it makes. The only reason I saw your posting was someone called me from Howard and told me I had to read the really dumb post that Ross had made, which was the last one he made and you responded to. Most everyone I have talked to thinks the west Elk school board is doing a great job. I have to agree, the students at all levels are doing great in all of the competition they face. They have won honors at all levels. The students going on to college are getting great scholarships and getting on Honor Rolls at the university level.
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 05:35:57 PM
How about the School District build a Community Storm shelter in Moline, Elk Falls, Longton and Grenola as well?
Do you even read before you type? I just corrected your geography and yet you continue to put Grenola and Longton in the West Elk School District. No property in Grenola is taxed by West Elk USD 282, the local school property tax levied in Grenola goes to Central of Burden USD 462. No property in Longton is taxed by West Elk USD 282, the local school property tax levied in Longton goes to Elk Valley USD 283.
Next time you're in the courthouse, take a look at the map on the west wall of the treasurers office! It shows all the different taxing units in the county, and which taxing entities cover what area of the county.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 07:40:49 PM
Do you even read before you type? I just corrected your geography and yet you continue to put Grenola and Longton in the West Elk School District. No property in Grenola is taxed by West Elk USD 282, the local school property tax levied in Grenola goes to Central of Burden USD 462. No property in Longton is taxed by West Elk USD 282, the local school property tax levied in Longton goes to Elk Valley USD 283.
Next time you're in the courthouse, take a look at the map on the west wall of the treasurers office! It shows all the different taxing units in the county, and which taxing entities cover what area of the county.
Okay I goofed, I'm human, so pardon me. Still the points stand it' is taxation of people out side of Howard to provide a Community Storm Shelter for Howard out side of the Howard City Limits. I still contend if Howard wants a community storm shelter build it themselves. What is your opinion.
But just the same thanks for pointing that out. I will look into getting a map of the school district.
Quote from: ROSS on June 13, 2013, 09:27:25 PM
Let's look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. and Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
I wonder why the school board does not publish this amazing study they hired done?
Wasn't it worth the money? Is it because it was a job they could have and should have accomplished as the School Board of Education?
Let's continue to look at this report, shall we. My remarks are in parenthesis and ar simply my personal opinion.
Can you add your thoughts about this report, I'd like to read them and perhaps some of the school board members might appreciate community input other than just my input. After all I am just an unedumacated old redneck taxpaying happy go lucky guy that perhaps they find offensive cause I lack the finesse to sweet talk and twist words. But that's okay with me. At least I don't sit in the audience at the school board and rudely laugh when a school board member is addressing a serious issue and there is nothing to laugh at. How rude, how crude, how uncouth! If the meeting is interrupted again by high school children attitude of laughing and snickering when a particular board member is speaking again in my presence and the Konnected of the board lacks the guts to
put a stop to it perhaps I should tell those folks that the childish bullying should cease.
Moving on.
Group: Administration
1. Facilities
(What about them, is this know as communicating?)
2. Curriculum - Supplement to fit the Common Core.
3. Retain/Recruit staff.
4. How are we helping our kids?
(Shouldn't it be how well are we teaching our kids?
To quote this report only above average in a state with very low standards.
Is that good enough, is that all you can do?)
5. Community involvement - need to increase.
(Well, use all that high tech that you claim us old folks don't understand the importance of. Or don't you understand the importance of communication through high tech.)
Question: Issues to be Considered When Creating A Plan
Group: Parents/Patrons/Community
1. Finances – Local and State
(Wouldn't that be normal budgeting provided by the school board?)
2. Misinformation – Communication
(Get busy - use all that high tech that you claim us old folks don't understand the importance of. Or don't you understand the importance of communication through high tech.)
3. Older generation doesn't see the importance of technology – they got along with just reading, writing and arithmetic.
(You old folks that got college degrees I guess your degree isn't any good anymore. And since you don't understand the importance of technology, I guess ya got someone else doing yer internet business for you, right?
I wonder if that pertains to our School Superintendent, I think he is as old as or maybe even older than I am. Do ya reckon he should be replaced buy a 30 something? And how about them teacher s over 40 aren't they considered to be older as well? We do know you don't have to equip every room and every student with a computer. You can teach computer in a computer lab or class and numerous students can log on in their own name, each having their own account on the computer. If the students wish to use a computer at home to do their home work they can buy their own computer, or use the library computer or a friend's computer. If you think white boards are a must in the class room to simplify the teachers teaching job and let the computer teach sign up for on-line schooling and get rid of the teacher and higher class room monitors. You have already purchased programs that can do the student grading for the teachers, haven't you? Oh, wait a minute I'm an old guy and don't understand this high tech stuff, so pardon me.)
4. Increasing number of absentee land owners.
5. Declining population.
6. Aging population.
(4, 5 and 6 are nothing new, now are they?)
7. Land owners can not afford more taxes.
(Do you reckon that is the main problem with trying to raise money to build a Taj Mahal for Howard to claim?)
8. Unable to convince the community 5 years ago on a long term plan.
(Just what efforts were made to communicate with the community 5 y4ears ago.)
9. Facilities – scary as we search for replacement teachers.
(What is scary about a building is there ghost in there?)
10. FEMA money still available for a Community Shelter.
That's great, let the community of Howard apply for the grant and let them build a community center inside their community. Not at the school taxpayers expense. Tell them to mooch else where. They have already stolen from West Elk and I don't see them moving the signs concerning the West Elk Boys Track signs being placed on each side of West Elk. Yea, just what do they do for the kids? Steal their glory that's what, in my humble opinion.
11. Problem with Bond – people didn't realize that the schools would close and modular would be installed if the bond didn't pass.
(I think the proper thing here is you the school board didn't realize the people told you a loud and clear --- NO. Put in them modulars at or maybe in excess of ¼ million dollars even though you considered them eyesores. Thought that would teach them voters. But now you are talking of putting all the children inside the school building, I find that very disgraceful towards the taxpayers. To waste ¼ million dollars on that eyesore, it was just to punish the taxpayer and voter wasn't it? Just where do you think the wounds come from, that you speak of in #13? How do you think wounds are made?)
12. Think people like being on one campus – more efficient.
(Who thinks that?
What people?
Is it Howard people?)
13. Still old wounds in our community.
(And in my opinion you continue to feed them, the majority vote apparently means very little to you the school board. Or you would quit pushing for more construction when you have a perfectly good grade school in Moline that is saying shame one you each and every day it stays closed.)
14. Focus on what is best for the kids, kids usually don't have the issue – it's the parent's problem.
(None of this is a kids issue but your point comes across loud and clear. Blame the parents and the board does not have to accept any responsibility. But actually aren't you blaming the voters that told you NO? What part of NO is it that you don't understand? Isn't that what we ask our kids when they keep pushing for a yes answer?)
15. Never been on any type of review on the state level.
(Never been a Blue Ribbon School doing your very best either, right?)
16. Always above average.
(Just hang in there being a little above average in a low standard state. Good job, not.)
17. Facilities will be a tough sell with declining enrollment.
(Now that is one smart statement. I personally don't understand why you want to try to sell a Community Storm Shelter for Howard and new Gym when you have already heard from the voters. Exactly what has changed?)
18. Raising taxes will not bring families or jobs.
(Now finally something very understandable.
19. Facility would bring students.
Now this is not understandable at all, where will they come from.
Can you even lure the children back from Elk Valley USD 283?
20. On - line classes and home schooling – lack social skills.
(School is not the only place to acquire social skill is it.
And a student doesn't have to contend with bullying as reported by the kids in another area of this report, right?)
21. College being pushed to go on-line.
(Just about everything and every one, Companies and governments are on line. When I lived in Washington State 10 years ago I could look up my county and school taxes on line with the county government. I could also look up the county's assed value of my property. I could also watch the School Board and County Commissioners meetings on line. Don't we understand the importance of this high tech stuff?)
But hey don't none of you folks believe any of this stuff, find out for yourself. This is just my personal opinion and nothing more.
God night all.
Quote from: frawin on June 18, 2013, 07:39:23 PM
Charlie, I have been staying away from the Forum since Ross has made it his own personal NEGATIVE public Forum. I couldn't, resist telling you how good your post is and how much sense it makes. The only reason I saw your posting was someone called me from Howard and told me I had to read the really dumb post that Ross had made, which was the last one he made and you responded to. Most everyone I have talked to thinks the west Elk school board is doing a great job. I have to agree, the students at all levels are doing great in all of the competition they face. They have won honors at all levels. The students going on to college are getting great scholarships and getting on Honor Rolls at the university level.
What crap you dish out the forum is very large and this is but one thread out of many. Therefore, I have not made the forum my own.
That is just plain nasty of you to say and a form of bullying. Were you a bully in school?
Your remarks contradict what the school board says in their report. They say they are doing just above average. And the state says they have lowered the standards considerably over the years. That is really strange that you disagree with the elected school board officials. But hey more power to you.
Sure there are always a few that excel and that is great but the school is school is graded on the performance of all the students. If the grading was based on only the few that excel all schools would be Blue Ribbon Schools all the time.
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 08:37:57 PM
Still the points stand it' is taxation of people out side of Howard to provide a Community Storm Shelter for Howard out side of the Howard City Limits.
And it is also taxation of people inside of Howard for a classroom/storm shelter that will be used by students that come from both within Howard, and outside of Howard. You make it sound as if Howard would not be contributing at all.
And don't say that was not what you meant, you've fed us that line way too many times for any of us to believe you.
The shelter, if built, would be there for the school first, not for Howard residents exclusive use, as you continue to try and make people believe. And if it were open to the public, that would mean THE PUBLIC, not just residents of Howard.
I often drive through Baxter Springs Kansas on the way to and from Elk County. I know there is a public storm shelter there, and that it is open to anyone who might be in need of shelter from a tornado. Do I pay property taxes in the city of Baxter Springs, the Baxter Springs school district or Cherokee County. No. So why should they let me use their shelter?
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 09:16:19 PM
Your remarks contradict what the school board says in their report. They say they are doing just above average.
Will you please quote verbatim where in the document the school board says "they are doing just above average"?
Did they say "above average" and you just had to stick on the "just" to make it sound derogatory? Wouldn't be the first time you tried that. (And unfortunately it won't be the last from you will it CCTP?)
I felt a need to revisit your remarks as follows:
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 03:01:49 PM
I am responding only to point out an error in geography in the above statement. Far east Elk County is in the Fredonia School District, USD 484 or in the Elk Valley School District, USD 283 as is the southeast corner. Far southwest Elk County is in the Central of Burden School District, USD 462 and there is even a chunk in the far northwest corner that is in the Eureka School District, USD 389.
Please don't confuse the boundaries of Elk County with the boundaries of the separate taxing entity of West Elk Unified School District 282.
A more appropriate and geographically correct question would be:
"Would the parents that live in a portion of south-central Greenwood County or a portion of north-central Chautauqua County, and the other land owners of said areas, pay more school property taxes to provide a storm shelter for the protection of the areas' children while in school in central Elk County; a shelter that can also serve as a physical education classroom?"
I don't recall stating the other communities are inside the West Elk School District.
However if you notice they are a part of the Elk County Community. And they way of twisting words through out this thread concerning the word Community such as the Elk Konnected, LLC Community which I have asked for a definition of and have never received, I would think that these actual Community's should qualify for protection as well. So that leaves me to believe that you believe that only the Community of Howard should qualify to suck off of the teet of the School District school Tax payers. Is that a correct assumption?
My remarks include this statement:
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2013, 05:35:57 PM
Should the School District be required to provide for only the Howard Community?
How about the School District build a Community Storm shelter in Moline, Elk Falls, Longton and Grenola as well?
Thank you.
I did not state all the Communities are a part of the School District. But what about that Elk Konnected, about all the communities working or pulling together. I guess that is simply when, where and if you Followers think they should pull together, huh? Where do you think all them wounds come from, that are so greatly expounded on?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
And it is also taxation of people inside of Howard for a classroom/storm shelter that will be used by students that come from both within Howard, and outside of Howard. You make it sound as if Howard would not be contributing at all.
Well please let me clarify! First I said a storm shelter for the protection of the children at school would be acceptable most likely by the taxpayers. Designed to hold the number of people and students that attend at that location. However to add the extra square footage to hold the Community of Howard would be rather expensive and not a requirement of the School District. Just as it is not a requirement of the School District to provide a Community Storm Shelter for any other Community.
By your analogy however, the School District should be required to provide a Community Storm Shelter for Moline as well, because those people contribute to the School District as well and how about Severy they contribute as well don't they? Or is it only Howard as Contributors that should benefit from the teet of the School District property owner taxpayer. Are the liberals only interested in freebies for Howard?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
And don't say that was not what you meant, you've fed us that line way too many times for any of us to believe you.
I'm sorry, I can say what ever I wish, freedom of speech don't ya know.
And if you recall I ask people not to believe anything I post at all. I ask that they make their on decisions and talk about it. You know what, I don't even care if they laugh at me or laugh with me. It is strictly their decision.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
The shelter, if built, would be there for the school first, not for Howard residents exclusive use, as you continue to try and make people believe. And if it were open to the public, that would mean THE PUBLIC, not just residents of Howard.
If the Storm Shelter is built it should be built only to house the number of people that work and go to school there, to hold down expenses for all the taxpayers of the School District and that includes holding down the taxes on the people of Howard.
If Howard wants to Build a Community Storm Shelter, I say go for it. They can build what ever they want inside their Community. They can build a storm shelter to house 100 to 3000 people, I could care less. If they went with a Shelter to hold 5,000 they could hold everyone in Elk County and anyone driving through. But I doubt the Howard City Council or the citizens would approve of such a monstrosity because their community property taxes would have to be increased dramatically. Oh, did you notice all the properties in Howard that are going up for sale on the Court House Steps for failure to pay taxes. People apparently don't want to keep paying taxes on the property with in Howard and ar willing to let go of the property. That in itself is a bad omen in my way of thinking.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:32:36 PM
I often drive through Baxter Springs Kansas on the way to and from Elk County. I know there is a public storm shelter there, and that it is open to anyone who might be in need of shelter from a tornado. Do I pay property taxes in the city of Baxter Springs, the Baxter Springs school district or Cherokee County. No. So why should they let me use their shelter?
Well as I stated above, let the City of Howard build their own Storm Shelter, let Howard get their own FEMA Grant, let Howard take the initiative to build their own Storm Shelter and build it as large as they want.
I have been told that a FEMA funded Storm Shelter is required to be left open 24 hours a day 3 days a week, do you know if this is true?
So you really believe that only he City of Howard should be permitted to suck at the teet of the School District is that it? To hell with the rest of our communities and citizens in Elk County, right? But you to are entitled to your personal opinion and to voice it under the Freedom of Speech Act.
My opinion is that the Community Storm Shelter is simply a crutch to screw the taxpayers into building a new gym and to get rid of what Howard or someone considers an eyesore and to build a new gym and has absolutely nothing to do with educating the children. The trailers were simply a big enough waste of taxpayers mone as proved at the last school board meeting by stating they are going to move all the children into the main building. 1/4 of a million dollars there about's or maybe even more down the drain. I am waiting anxiously for the receipts to verify this amount.
Thank you for the dialog.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
Will you please quote verbatim where in the document the school board says "they are doing just above average"?
Did they say "above average" and you just had to stick on the "just" to make it sound derogatory? Wouldn't be the first time you tried that. (And unfortunately it won't be the last from you will it CCTP?)
I posted that and I stand corrected they say above average it was my slip to say slightly, but them they didn't state how far above average did they? But average is still just average isn't it?
This is taken from their report verbatim except for my remarks in parenthesis. I hope that helps you out.
Quote from: ROSS on June 13, 2013, 09:27:25 PM
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15. Never been on any type of review on the state level.
(Never been a Blue Ribbon School doing your very best either, right?)
16. Always above average.
(Just hang in there being a little above average in a low standard state. Good job, not.)
They won't dispute the slightly above average remark will they?
The elementary is NOT moving into the main building. There are two classes (2nd and 4th) that have been split due to large class size. The district has hired teachers for both of these new classes, and they will be housed in the main building. The grade school library will be moved to the high school library with only ONE librarian. The elementary library will be divided into two rooms, one for a classroom and the other half for the elementary computer lab that will be monitored by the former elementary librarian. The Spanish class is being moved to a small office that housed the counselor, and the counselor will be moved to the former sick room. This opens the former Spanish room for another classroom. All of the modular are still being used for the elementary. Where did I get my information? ..... My children go to school there, I ask questions, I listen to what those people that are involved with the situation have to say.
Quote from: daisy on June 19, 2013, 07:20:12 AM
The elementary is NOT moving into the main building. There are two classes (2nd and 4th) that have been split due to large class size. The district has hired teachers for both of these new classes, and they will be housed in the main building. The grade school library will be moved to the high school library with only ONE librarian. The elementary library will be divided into two rooms, one for a classroom and the other half for the elementary computer lab that will be monitored by the former elementary librarian. The Spanish class is being moved to a small office that housed the counselor, and the counselor will be moved to the former sick room. This opens the former Spanish room for another classroom. All of the modular are still being used for the elementary. Where did I get my information? ..... My children go to school there, I ask questions, I listen to what those people that are involved with the situation have to say.
Well finally some one that is willing to clarify what is going on. Good job.
It just didn't come out that way at the school board meeting. Thank you.
So what I understand is the over crowding is for real, right?
So what do we need with a new gym when it appears that class rooms for educating should be the priority?
Is sports more important than teaching>
And what would be the problem of re-opening the Moline grade school most likely at considerably less expense than building a new gym and another building to make class rooms? With t he Moline Grade School building we would regain the class rooms and the gymnasium and the high school would regain the full use of their present gym.
All that crap about everyone being happy to have every thing on one campus is just that, crap. Mainly because of the excessive expense of construction for only housing a declining enrollment as stated by the school board report. Also because of much higher taxes for a declining population as reported again in the school board report.
Where is the critical thinking and the logical thinking?
Are you a member of the school board or the school staff, just curious?
Ross,
Regarding your comment about all the Howard properties coming up for sale for taxes----as usual you only used what you wanted to in an attempt to make Howard look bad. ACTUAL FACTS are as follows regarding the # of listings of properties for sale:
GRENOLA 7
LONGTON 6
MOLINE 5
HOWARD 5
ELK FALLS 2
I rather imagine your request/wish that people NOT BELIEVE anything you say is being granted.
Does the phrase "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" mean anything to you? Or do you really believe your right to freedom of speech just allows you to say anything you want to regardless of facts, accuracy or sensibility?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
Did they say "above average" and you just had to stick on the "just" to make it sound derogatory?
Isn't just being average derogatory enough. Doesn't saying be average saying they are not doing their best?
I'm just using your word derogatory even though I don't feel it is appropriate but that it seems to fit your opinion.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 18, 2013, 09:43:38 PM
Wouldn't be the first time you tried that. (And unfortunately it won't be the last from you will it CCTP?)
Unfortunately it won't be the last from you either, will it. Actually I find that derogatory and I what I actually mean to say thanks for the dialog.
Would you pleas clue us in on what you mean by CCTP, all I can find is "The Community-based Care Transitions Program (CCTP)" and for some reason it just not fit here. Of course you don't have to clarify if it is too derogatory.
Thanks
Quote from: ddurbin on June 19, 2013, 07:43:08 AM
Ross,
Regarding your comment about all the Howard properties coming up for sale for taxes----as usual you only used what you wanted to in an attempt to make Howard look bad. ACTUAL FACTS are as follows regarding the # of listings of properties for sale:
GRENOLA 7
LONGTON 6
MOLINE 5
HOWARD 5
ELK FALLS 2
I rather imagine your request/wish that people NOT BELIEVE anything you say is being granted.
Does the phrase "to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth" mean anything to you? Or do you really believe your right to freedom of speech just allows you to say anything you want to regardless of facts, accuracy or sensibility?
Give me a break of course we know it is going on through out the whole county. It was not an attempt by me to make Howard look bad, the fact alone does that. But it appears it is Howard wanting a community center isn't it?
But you on extend what I was saying people are refusing to pay property and would prefer to let the property ownership go and let it be sold on the step of the Court house. What do you think that says about property values in Elk County? Is that something good?
Thanks for the confirmation that people are not believing anything I say, that means they are thinking for themselves, Good job Mr. Durbin.
Of course I can say anything I want, just as you can.
But can you provide any facts that Howard is not behind this idea of a Community Shelter at the School District taxpayer expense?
And what facts can you provide that the School District is/or should be responsible for a Community Storm Shelter for Howard?
Can you Provide any facts that the ElK Konnected School Board President's NGO Elk Konnected is not behind this movement on taxpayers dollars to build a Howard Community Shelter?
Can you provide any facts that Howard can not apply for a FEMA grant and build their own Community Storm Shelter with in their city limits, providing better access to all of it's citizens?
Are enough of the people of Elk County so liberal as to think that the School District Governing Body (Government) should provide for them through taxation? Or is it just a few in Howard that continue to push for more money to throw away?
What has priority Education, Sports, Appearance or wastefully spending taxpayers dollars?
You got any facts to the questions, if so I'm sure every one including my self would like to hear them?
I think I just heard the Moline Grade School Building say shame on you people. No I'm not delusional.
Can't you hear it?
I hear it daily?
If you focus and concentrate I'm sure you will hear it, too!
Shame, Shame, Shame!
A few more question at this time Mr. Durbin since you appear to be a Howard Booster.
Why do you suppose Howard continues to steal the glory from West Elk about the Boy Track team win in 2008?
Those signs don't truly belong at the Howard City limits, Howard did not earn that accomplishment did they?
Those signs technically belong on each side of West Elk, the school that earned them, don't you think?
The West Elk School is not in the Howard City limits is it?
Or do I have the facts wrong?
Did Howard eventually follow through on moving their city limits?
If they did why isn't the city limit sign south of the West Elk School Grounds?
Can you show me the honesty in all this?
Facts please.
Thank You while we wait for the facts.
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 08:05:05 AM
Give me a break of course we know it is going on through out the whole county. It was not an attempt by me to make Howard look bad, the fact alone does that. But it appears it is Howard wanting a community center isn't it.
But you on extend what I was saying people are refusing to pay property and would prefer to let the property ownership go and let it be sold on the step of the Court house. What do you think that says about property values in Elk County? Is that something good?
Thanks for the confirmation that people are not believing anything I say, that means they are thinking for themselves, Good job Mr. Durbin.
Of course I can say anything I want, just as you can.
But can you provide any facts that Howard is not behind this idea of a Community Shelter at the School District taxpayer expense?
And what facts can you provide that the School District is/or should be responsible for a Community Storm Shelter for Howard?
Can you Provide any facts that the ElK Konnected School Board President's NGO Elk Konnected is not behind this movement on taxpayers dollars to build a Howard Community Shelter?
Can you provide any facts that Howard can not apply for a FEMA grant and build their own Community Storm Shelter with in their city limits, providing better access to all of it's citizens?
Are enough of the people of Elk County so liberal as to think that the School District Governing Body (Government) should provide for them through taxation? Or is it just a few in Howard that continue to push for more money to throw away?
What has priority Education, Sports, Appearance or wastefully spending taxpayers dollars?
You got any facts to the questions, if so I'm sure every one including my self would like to hear them?
I think I just heard the Moline Grade School Building say shame on you people. No I'm not delusional.
Can't you hear it?
I hear it daily?
If you focus and concentrate I'm sure you will hear it, too!
Shame, Shame, Shame!
Ross, you're an idiot. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you are an idiot that has an uncanny ability to lie, repeatedly, and make some people believe you. But the vast majority see through your methods of lying by omission, minimisation, fabrication, exaggeration, and just outright bullshit.
Here is a question for you. Why are you trying so hard to stir up animosity between Moline and Howard? Or Longton and Howard, or Grenola and Howard. Huh? Why? What purpose does it serve to you or anyone else? And don't try and tell us that is not your intention.
Ross, as long as you are on the hook....Do you still pretend not to know where I am? There isn't enough money in the world to get me to move to New Jersey! Are you pretending to be thick headed or what's the story with you?
Daisy already told you how and why she knows about the goings on at the school. Are you deliberately being obtuse? One would think you were fomenting trouble among the little towns to stir up trouble... except so few read your posts any more they won't know what you are doing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And now you have got the placement of a school sign stuck in your craw? Good grief man,how petty is that? What post office is the school associated with? If Howard isn't the closest local town, what is? If it bothers you so much, have the kids paint some more signs and put them in front of the school too! Stir that pot, CCTP! Don't you have enough to keep an old retired guy busy? ;)
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 08:16:38 AM
Facts please.
Thank You while we wait for the facts.
Ross, you don't want facts, and when they are presented to you, you ignore them. If you do acknowledge the presentation of a fact and it doesn't fit your closed-minded notion about something, you then deny the validity of the fact.
This is all a carefully calculated tactic of harassment and derision from you, since you're goal is clearly to disturb, upset, and incite animosity amongst your fellow citizens.
I have to make this short, I have been putting off my personal work for too long this morning.
Flint, Diane and Mr. Durbin keep typing, you Konnected Followers make for good entertainment.
Your excuses for not answering honest questions and your methods of evasion are fun to read.
You refuse to provide facts with excuses, that is commendable.
And you call others mainly me a liar, how tactless, how rude, how uncouth!
That must be that higher edumacation at work.
Show the lie, show the fact, not the fiction made up in those Konnected Followers heads.
Please the facts!
And the question was never answered, have the school children been being housed in an unsafe school building?
If so why have the been having tornado drills in an unsafe school building?
I'm out of here, I've got work to accomplish.
Now I'm getting upset with myself, I'm not getting my work done. Just this last one for now.
The entertainment is getting to be too much for me.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
Ross, you don't want facts, and when they are presented to you, you ignore them. If you do acknowledge the presentation of a fact and it doesn't fit your closed-minded notion about something, you then deny the validity of the fact.
Let's just change the words a bit, for fun.
Flint, you don't have facts, and they are presented, you ignore giving them when it pleases you. If you do attempt the presentation of a fact and it does fit your closed-minded notion about something, you then post that fact.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 08:45:06 AM
This is all a carefully calculated tactic of harassment and derision from you, since you're goal is clearly to disturb, upset, and incite animosity amongst your fellow citizens.
Is that your sincere opinion?
You really feel that trying to engage (your Elk Konnected uses this term) the taxpayers in taxing decisions is stirring the pot?
Didn't you read where the school board wrote about the wounds with on Elk County?
Don't you and they realize where they come from?
It is not from me? Why blame me, is that a way of avoiding responsibility?
Oh yea, I make a good whipping boy, bring it on.
Dump your responsibilities one me.
I can handle it.
You just don't want the taxpayers to consider their options and what most likely be thrown at then with some pity and crying to increase property taxes, to build a Taj Mahal for Howard, do you?
Bye-=Bye for now. All you other folks out there keep thinking for yourself while I take my flogging.
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 09:09:03 AM
I have to make this short, I have been putting off my personal work for too long this morning.
Flint, Diane and Mr. Durbin keep typing, you Konnected Followers make for good entertainment.
Your excuses for not answering honest questions and your methods of evasion are fun to read.
You refuse to provide facts with excuses, that is commendable.
And you call others mainly me a liar, how tactless, how rude, how uncouth!
That must be that higher edumacation at work.
Show the lie, show the fact, not the fiction made up in those Konnected Followers heads.
Please the facts!
And the question was never answered, have the school children been being housed in an unsafe school building?
If so why have the been having tornado drills in an unsafe school building?
I'm out of here, I've got work to accomplish.
A fact from you, please. Where do you get "the school is built for 600 students" from?
Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 08:25:39 AM
Ross, you're an idiot. Unfortunately for the rest of us, you are an idiot that has an uncanny ability to lie, repeatedly, and make some people believe you. But the vast majority see through your methods of lying by omission, minimisation, fabrication, exaggeration, and just outright bullshit.
Here is a question for you. Why are you trying so hard to stir up animosity between Moline and Howard? Or Longton and Howard, or Grenola and Howard. Huh? Why? What purpose does it serve to you or anyone else? And don't try and tell us that is not your intention.
Thanks for bringing your question over here?
Perhaps you can see how easily manipulated people can be, especially by those that feel they are the elite.
My sincerest apologies for that!
But wasn't that what you were trying to do by asking on a different thread. Trying to manipulate me, nice try. I applaud your efforts.
First and foremost, I never said it was a fact.
I stated in an earlier post on this thread I was informed that it was built to house 600 students by someone who did not want their name disclosed.
I'm sorry you missed that post.
You don't see the school superintendent disputing this and providing facts to the contrary, do you?
You don't see the school board disputing this and providing facts to the contrary do you?
I was also told it was downsized quite a bit from the old high school. Is that right?
Thanks for asking.
Now my break is over and I must return to another hour of sweating outside and to my labor. Bye-Bye for now.
Ross is now playing the victim.
His sentence about the school board made no sense at all.
His needle is still stuck, even though school is out and everyone is doing summer things.
Your elections are long over, the officers and boards are busy doing what they do, and still have to listen to ALL tax payers ,not just certain ones.( Some kids have even graduated and moved on since Ross started this thread.)
He truly thinks the people there aren't smart enough to think for themselves, and need him to explain what's REALLY going on.... Over and over and over and over again..and he can't read, as he himself says! ( "an uneducated hick".) I would rather hear from a much more educated person with good comprehension, if I wanted to learn about something important and without prejudice As one person out there recently said,"It's really pitiful."
Now tornado shelters are something else. Apparently the folks out your way either have them or don't. All my family did. That's a risk some are willing to take.
As far as all the schools, in my opinion, each one should have a safe place for those who are there every day. Communities can make up their own minds about community shelters.
Studies are saying that super storms are going to become more common, with the season starting earlier,lasting longer and with more EF4's and 5's. I do hope that will change.
Personally, I'd never live in a mobile home out there without a tornado shelter very close by. They seem to have "come get me" signs on them that tornadoes seem to be able to read!
On to other things. I hadn't stopped by here. until recently, for some time. Nothing changes.
You're right - nothing changes.
You still have the same ole socialist thinking.
I had to do one more before I end my break and return to my hard work induced sweating. Oops that ain't stirring the pot is it. Ain't everyone gonna run out and start sweating are ya? LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
Ross, as long as you are on the hook....Do you still pretend not to know where I am? There isn't enough money in the world to get me to move to New Jersey! Are you pretending to be thick headed or what's the story with you?
No, Diane I am not pretending not to know where you live. I was hoping you would remember where you live. You don't live here, you don't vote here, you don't pay taxes here. Neither do any of the people in New Jersey or any other city of state out side of Elk County. We are aware of your long distant relationship with Elk Konnected and I wonder if that is why you are so concerned how our tax dollars are spent. Is this an Elk Konnected thing for you? Otherwise what would your concern be with our local taxation?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
Daisy already told you how and why she knows about the goings on at the school. Are you deliberately being obtuse? One would think you were fomenting trouble among the little towns to stir up trouble... except so few read your posts any more they won't know what you are doing. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So you say, so few read my post, my oh my. Look at the numbers at the top of any page, what does that tell you. Do the math, teacher. But even if only five people read the post, that is five that had no idea what is going on isn't it? That would also possibly be five people discussing what they think with their friends and family right?
Are you one of those old folks the school board says doesn't understand the importance of technology?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
And now you have got the placement of a school sign stuck in your craw? Good grief man,how petty is that?
So does that make it petty theft? That's a joke, get it?
Those signs belong to West Elk not to Howard, so really if you say it is petty, you have to say that Howard is petty as well?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
What post office is the school associated with? If Howard isn't the closest local town, what is?
The zip code or the closest town has absolutely nothing at all to do with it. The property lines on the other hand have everything to do with it.
If Howard has any couth at all they would be ashamed of them selves and place the signs properly within the West Elk School property lines and not accept you petty excuses. Place the glory at the school where it belongs. Why steal it from the school? Do the signs make Howard more important in some way? So it really is petty of them.
Just like Elk Konnected, LLC on their Facebook claiming to have Graduated from Howard West Elk. How stupid can they be? No LLC has ever graduated fro High School. Have you ever had an LLC enroll at any school you ever taught, did the company's desk walk in and sit at another desk? Well I know it could not have happened in Elk County, Kansas because there is no Howard West Elk School here. So I guess you are saying the Elk Konnected is being petty as well right?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 08:28:11 AM
If it bothers you so much, have the kids paint some more signs and put them in front of the school too! Stir that pot, CCTP! Don't you have enough to keep an old retired guy busy? ;)
So you admit the West Elk School should have the signs, only the kids should have a stick and board with hand written words instead of the state signs? How gracious of you form way up there? Where are you from? What cloud?
Did the kids paint those signs that Howard took and had placed at their City limits?
What the hell is your problem?
I politely asked you and your Elk Konnected Followers for a meaning of CCTP, why no reply?
Is it something you are ashamed of?
Why do you care how I spend my time?
Oh I get it, your Elk Konnected friends have you worrying for them, right?
Well it is a waste of time, very few people read my post, remember you said that. Right up there at the top of this post, I quoted you. So stop worrying, okay. It could cause an ulcer and we want you healthy.
I see you are still putting all sorts of words in my mouth again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If I hadn't just gotten a PM on my other e-mail I wouldn't even have known to come back and look. As far as what business it is of mine...you'd be surprised. As I have said before,I do support a number of things out there and still have friends and family there too, and unlike taxes, I don't have to do it..it's my choice and pleasure to do so.
You do know what a silent partner is don't ya? You just don't know that you don't know. :angel:
What is with your thing about New Jersey anyway?
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
You don't live here, you don't vote here, you don't pay taxes here. Neither do any of the people in New Jersey or any other city of state out side of Elk County.
Ross, just because someone does not live in Elk County, does not mean they don't pay taxes to Elk County. Just because someone doesn't live in West Elk School District, does not mean they don't pay taxes to the district. It doesn't matter if they live in Elk County Kansas, or Elk County Pennsylvania. If you own property, either singularly or in partnership with someone else, within the boundaries of Elk County, you pay property taxes to Elk County. If you own land within West Elk USD 282, you pay property taxes to West Elk USD 282, though only the taxes due on property within Elk County is COLLECTED by the Elk County Treasurer on behalf of USD 282. If you live in Chautauqua County, but within West Elk USD 282, the Chautauqua County Treasurer collects the taxes due to West Elk. Same thing in Greenwood County.
Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Ross, just because someone does not live in Elk County, does not mean they don't pay taxes to Elk County. Just because someone doesn't live in West Elk School District, does not mean they don't pay taxes to the district. It doesn't matter if they live in Elk County Kansas, or Elk County Pennsylvania. If you own property, either singularly or in partnership with someone else, within the boundaries of Elk County, you pay property taxes to Elk County. If you own land within West Elk USD 282, you pay property taxes to West Elk USD 282, though only the taxes due on property within Elk County is COLLECTED by the Elk County Treasurer on behalf of USD 282. If you live in Chautauqua County, but within West Elk USD 282, the Chautauqua County Treasurer collects the taxes due to West Elk. Same thing in Greenwood County.
You are exactly correct, I haven't lived in Elk County for years but have paid property tax there.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 12:00:23 PM
I see you are still putting all sorts of words in my mouth again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D If I hadn't just gotten a PM on my other e-mail I wouldn't even have known to come back and look. As far as what business it is of mine...you'd be surprised. As I have said before,I do support a number of things out there and still have friends and family there too, and unlike taxes, I don't have to do it..it's my choice and pleasure to do so.
You do know what a silent partner is don't ya? You just don't know that you don't know. :angel:
What is with your thing about New Jersey anyway?
I apologize for saying this, but you are a walking, talking JOKE!
Silent partner really, ha, ha!
Don't you mean a sneaky rat?As in someone to cowardly to speak for themselves?
It doesn't really matter if it is New Jersey, New York, California or Florida!
Don't you comprehend!
It ain't Elk County, Kansas!Is that clear enough for you to comprehend?
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 11:29:35 AM
Just like Elk Konnected, LLC on their Facebook claiming to have Graduated from Howard West Elk. How stupid can they be? No LLC has ever graduated fro High School. Have you ever had an LLC enroll at any school you ever taught, did the company's desk walk in and sit at another desk? Well I know it could not have happened in Elk County, Kansas because there is no Howard West Elk School here.
You stated you wanted facts, well here are some facts, let's see what you do with them.
I attended Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High at the time I graduated high school. I'm not sure what my high school diploma says since I have no idea where it might be, but my college transcripts from Wichita State University and Kansas State University both say that I graduated from Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High, which would have been entered into their systems from the diploma I provided a copy of when I enrolled.
The Kansas Department of Education also states that from the time it was built in 1978, opening on 08/01/1978, until 06/10/2010, the building that I attended 7th-12th grade at and graduated from was "Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High."
So technically the last sentence of your quoted statement is correct, there is no Howard West Elk School located in Elk County. Since 07/01/2010 the school complex has been called "West Elk Schools." However, anyone that attended after August of 1978, up until June of 2010 would be correct in stating that they attended (or studied at, in FB parlance) Howard West Elk Jr.- Sr. High.
Also, no where on the Facebook profile page for Elk Konnected does it state that they "graduated from Howard West Elk." It says verbatim - "Studied at West Elk" (then just below) "Past: Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High"
This is more of you interjecting words of your own, changing the meaning of something. Something you do very frequently, hoping no one chooses to follow up on their own so you can get away with it. It is a form of lying, plain and simple, and done with the purpose to deceive.
You might try presenting information that you want us to believe are facts in their original form and context, rather than interpreting them for us, or interjecting words of your own. You keep telling everybody not to believe anything you write. If you don't want them to believe you, then why do you even write it? Why must you alter the information that you try to present, unless you are wanting people to not take the time to fact-check your posts resulting in them making the incorrect assumption that you are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Why lie when you don't have to?
Hey Ross,I'm either supposed to shut up or speak for myself. Which is it? As far as my dealings out there...none of your business. You might well want to have many more loyal "sneaky rats" like me. ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel:
Hey Flint, what does the owner of this thread and a brand new pencil have in common? NO POINT! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel:
Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 03:04:56 PM
You stated you wanted facts, well here are some facts, let's see what you do with them.
I attended Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High at the time I graduated high school. I'm not sure what my high school diploma says since I have no idea where it might be, but my college transcripts from Wichita State University and Kansas State University both say that I graduated from Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High, which would have been entered into their systems from the diploma I provided a copy of when I enrolled.
The Kansas Department of Education also states that from the time it was built in 1978, opening on 08/01/1978, until 06/10/2010, the building that I attended 7th-12th grade at and graduated from was "Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High."
So technically the last sentence of your quoted statement is correct, there is no Howard West Elk School located in Elk County. Since 07/01/2010 the school complex has been called "West Elk Schools." However, anyone that attended after August of 1978, up until June of 2010 would be correct in stating that they attended (or studied at, in FB parlance) Howard West Elk Jr.- Sr. High.
Also, no where on the Facebook profile page for Elk Konnected does it state that they "graduated from Howard West Elk." It says verbatim - "Studied at West Elk" (then just below) "Past: Howard West Elk Junior - Senior High"
This is more of you interjecting words of your own, changing the meaning of something. Something you do very frequently, hoping no one chooses to follow up on their own so you can get away with it. It is a form of lying, plain and simple, and done with the purpose to deceive.
You might try presenting information that you want us to believe are facts in their original form and context, rather than interpreting them for us, or interjecting words of your own. You keep telling everybody not to believe anything you write. If you don't want them to believe you, then why do you even write it? Why must you alter the information that you try to present, unless you are wanting people to not take the time to fact-check your posts resulting in them making the incorrect assumption that you are telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?
Why lie when you don't have to?
Did Elk Konnected, LLC really attend Howard West Elk?
I have never in my life heard of an LLC, a company attending Jr or Senior High School!
That is amazing. Is Elk Konnected, LLC's picture in the year book?
I don't recall talking about a person just a privately owned company, so help me out, help me understand what you are talking about, please?
You seem to have verified that what I have been saying, that being there is no Howard West Elk today in Elk County, Kansas. I was never referring to the past, only the present. And that is a fact.
I write only to engage the county public, the taxpayers and the voters of Elk County.
I never said people of the past did not attend Howard West Elk, nor did I say anything about them old folks graduation certificates, now did I. So lets skip into the present and let the past be the past, does that sound like a plan?
Therefore, the signs taken from West Elk for Howard City limits is also proven a lie for Howard by your facts.
Thank You.
As to answer your question of why I post and don't ask people to believe me.
It's for them to think for themselves and to engage them. When ever I talk to some of the posters and readers that are not Konnected Followers they encourage me to continue. How does that make you feel, it is contrary to what you say isn't it?
My efforts are a damn site better effort than all the so called leaders and the supposedly elite of the county have done. Don't you think?
Elk Konnected said they wanted to engage the people on this forum and IMHO have failed miserably at it.
The school board says they want more people involved, but they fail to engage the people after accusing the old folks of lacking the knowledge to recognize the importance of technology. How's that for leadership?
None of the leadership has corrected a single thing I have posted, so it must be right, don't you think?
These are not made up facts and you can not say they are! Oh go ahead say its fiction, I don't care. Believe what you will.
But you know what? People are talking and sharing and discussing all of this, and that is good. Unless, you are against such a thing and want to keep the people in the dark.
You sure used a lot of words to call me a liar and I really appreciate your effort.
So let's keep the dialog going, it is interesting, don't you think?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 04:09:38 PM
Hey Ross,I'm either supposed to shut up or speak for myself. Which is it? As far as my dealings out there...none of your business. You might well want to have many more loyal "sneaky rats" like me. ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel:
I am happy to know that you call those so called silent partners, sneaky rats".
But you forgot that being so is cowardly.
I don't really want to know any thing about you Diane, I've already learned to much.
But you are not a voter or a taxpayer or a parent with a child in school here and you obviously don't attend local meetings.
I bet you are not even involved in your local school board meetings and county commissioners or city council meetings Delaware, because you are to busy spreading BS for some sneaky rat in Elk County, Kansas.
Or is it perhaps you are not permitted to participate in Delaware ?
Enough said.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 19, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Hey Flint, what does the owner of this thread and a brand new pencil have in common? NO POINT! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel:
If there is no point here, then the point must be on your head.
As in a dunce cap, because keep coming here, with smart ass remarks trying to bully me into shutting up.
I use the word dunce because you are a use to be teacher and perhaps you recall what that term means.
And as a use to be teacher you were supposedly well trained and educated in the theories and disciplines of bullying and have put that knowledge to use here on this form on several threads.
Now teach you weren't suppose to learn all that to use to bully but to prevent bullying, remember.
But, I bet you forgot that right after learning about bullying and I almost bet you used it in your class rooms.
but you go ahead with utilizing your education on bullying right here. The name calling and making fun of keep it up, it delinates your true intelligence you have gained from getting a college degree. Have fun, I am truly enjoying your put downs.
I sure am glad I am not edumacted to a college degree.
I am very proud to be a redneck hick.
Bring it back, slap me hard. But remember this is where we live and you don't live here city girl.
I repeat this is a local discussion.
Doesn't appear to be much of a LOCAL discussion to me. In the last 100 posts on this thread, besides yourself Ross, how many are by individual resident, tax-paying Elk Countians? Shouldn't take more than one hand to count them. Wonder why that is? Any factual explanation or will you just come up with a list of suppostitions to justify why there isn't more.
Warning! Long and boring epistle following. Read at your own risk. You were warned! ;) :angel:
Lloyd, as far as my involvement here locally, you couldn't be more wrong.
I still make time to help out my Kansas friends, (and family in Elk County) some of whom are just stunned by you and a few others and how primitive your thinking is in relation to the year 2013.
You can spout all you want....it's your right, but I still don't know why you are so insulting as to think the people there can't think for themselves. Me name calling? How so? That's your doing, not mine.
You say you are so stupid and uneducated and then expect people to hang on your every word as the local "expert"in all things Elk County! Not everyone there is as 'anti" everything as a few of you are. You hate taxes, yet that's what provides jobs for some of you there. How else would many things get done?
Of course it makes sense to be a good steward for public money, but you want to personally micromanage every penny.
My word, if people spent as much time justifying as much as you want to know, they couldn't get any real work done and would be so slowed down it would cost even more hours and money to complete anything.
People don't want to sit in meetings and listen to folks drone on and on about how and where every penny was spent and how it was decided how and where to spend it. It's dull and would drive otherwise interested people away. Not everyone wants to listen to somebody ask all those micro questions. They elected or hired people to take care of things and are happy to let them do their jobs. Not everyone is suspicious of everyone and assumes that every single person is up to some conspiracy.
I still don't understand why you are so riled up over the placement of a sign, near or at the school. Don't you think people know what it means no matter where the exact placement is? What evil intent do you think was meant? Is it a huge conspiracy? TO DO WHAT?
Lloyd, I know you have proved you can't read very well and your comprehension level is lower that it should be for your age. That may not be your fault. You might have a learning disability that you struggle with and really are doing the best you can. If so, I don't mean to write over your head.
I have asked you nicely many times not to twist what I say and attribute things to me that I never said. it's very rude to "translate" what people write to mean something they didn't mean just to suit yourself. Throwing a negative spin on what someones says, and I don't mean just me, makes the writer angry and makes you look bad.(if you said this you must really mean that.) Isn't that kind of thing beneath you? ( I have a bet on what you say next and how you will respond.)
You don't know who all my friends and family are, many do not have anything to do with the forum. That's their business. Yet you say they are rats? Yup, I'd figure as much. ;D ;D ;D ;D ( Be careful, it might be a local minister!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nothing of any substance.
You have apparently changed the topic without changing the title.
Now I'm leaving again for a good long while. I had only stopped by to see what was new. Nothing. What goes around comes around, and around, and around. Now go enjoy your summer and don't fall off that pretty horse.
Sure, I'm a gonna respond that is a bad wager.
Diane I am so sorry for you. This is just to rich in B. S.
Yes, we have to discuss this.
And it will be fun.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
Warning! Long and boring epistle following. Read at your own risk. You were warned! ;) :angel:
Lloyd, as far as my involvement here locally, you couldn't be more wrong.
I still make time to help out my Kansas friends, (and family in Elk County) some of whom are just stunned by you and a few others and how primitive your thinking is in relation to the year 2013.
Well that is just amazing, un-named and probably imaginary friends, LOL.
If they truly exist, I am sure they are stunned by my honest questions that never get answered. As well by the fact that I admit to make errors occasionally and tell anyone thank you for correcting me, when it happens. Not too many people admit to being a human that is capable of error.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
You can spout all you want....it's your right, but I still don't know why you are so insulting as to think the people there can't think for themselves. Me name calling? How so? That's your doing, not mine.
Sure I can spout off all I want, just as you do from Delaware, thank you for your consent to do so. Yes my dear you and your name calling. Oh yea I'm guilty of calling you imaginary silent partner a sneaky rat, that is to cowardly to speak for themselves. But let's remember that is an imaginary friend. But that was not really twisting anything, it was simply stating my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
You say you are so stupid and uneducated and then expect people to hang on your every word as the local "expert"in all things Elk County! Not everyone there is as 'anti" everything as a few of you are. You hate taxes, yet that's what provides jobs for some of you there. How else would many things get done?
Now who is twisting things, LOL.
I never said I was stupid.
I never said I expected anyone to hang on your every word as the local "expert".
I have actually asked that no one believe anything I say and to think for themselves.
I have never said I hate taxes.
I really ain't anti-anything, but I am pro-honesty and transparency in our local government. I don't believe you will appreciate the positive outlook of this statement.
Twist and twist and twist Diane, but it won't help your figure, LOL, The devil made me do that. And I ain't apologizing for it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
Of course it makes sense to be a good steward for public money, but you want to personally micromanage every penny.
So what the hell makes up a good steward of the taxpayers money. Sitting back and ignoring red flags, is that what you think?
Oh, I suppose you don't question government. Everything government is always right in you opinion I guess. Obama must be number one with you snooping on everything that you do by violating your constitutional rights. I think I'm beginning to understand you.
No Diane I am not wanting to micromanage ever penny. But I will demonstrate nearly $330,000 during March of 2010 that I feel was spent for the purpose of shaming the taxpayers for refusing to approve a $5.5 million dollar bond issue. I will provide the documentation that, I paid good money for, as is my right to public information as a taxpayer and under the freedom of information act.
It seems to me you have a real problem with democracy and the laws there of.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
My word, if people spent as much time justifying as much as you want to know, they couldn't get any real work done and would be so slowed down it would cost even more hours and money to complete anything.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
People don't want to sit in meetings and listen to folks drone on and on about how and where every penny was spent and how it was decided how and where to spend it. It's dull and would drive otherwise interested people away. Not everyone wants to listen to somebody ask all those micro questions. They elected or hired people to take care of things and are happy to let them do their jobs. Not everyone is suspicious of everyone and assumes that every single person is up to some conspiracy.
What micro questions are you talking about. You sound like a real politician right here, saying absolutely nothing. And that is only your personal opinion abut what people want to hear questions during meetings. When was the last time you attend any meeting in El k County, Kansas. Rather rude of you to assume you know what the people of Elk County want from way up there in Delaware isn't it. Oh, I forgot your imaginary silent partner that is a sneaky rat. SHAME on me.
Sure we elected people to do the job, but that does not exclude the from answering to the public. You really have some weird ideas. How are the citizens suppose to be good stewards if they are not properly informed by their government about what is actually going on? Or if they are denied the right to ask. Wow, really weird Diane
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
I still don't understand why you are so riled up over the placement of a sign, near or at the school. Don't you think people know what it means no matter where the exact placement is? What evil intent do you think was meant? Is it a huge conspiracy? TO DO WHAT?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
Lloyd, I know you have proved you can't read very well and your comprehension level is lower that it should be for your age. That may not be your fault. You might have a learning disability that you struggle with and really are doing the best you can. If so, I don't mean to write over your head.
Oh, that is so cool, you are the great and wise Wizard of Oz in Delaware. Thank you olh great one. I am running out to see a psychiatrist right now. God bless you, thank you, I am eternally grateful to you, oh Godess of Beauty. How can I ever repay you.
Did you ever figure out why I included so many states in my dialog with you. Because none of those states have anything to do with Elk County politics and it's voters and local taxpayers. I hope you comprehend this clarification. Oh great one from Delaware.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
I have asked you nicely many times not to twist what I say and attribute things to me that I never said. it's very rude to "translate" what people write to mean something they didn't mean just to suit yourself. Throwing a negative spin on what someones says, and I don't mean just me, makes the writer angry and makes you look bad.(if you said this you must really mean that.) Isn't that kind of thing beneath you? ( I have a bet on what you say next and how you will respond.)
I don't twist what you say, I don't translate what you say, I only express my opinion of what you say. But whoa, you gave me consent a few paragraphs up above to spout off all I want. Are you now rescinding that consent? Don't you comprehend what you wrote?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
You don't know who all my friends and family are, many do not have anything to do with the forum. That's their business. Yet you say they are rats? Yup, I'd figure as much. ;D ;D ;D ;D ( Be careful, it might be a local minister!) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Nothing of any substance.
Who really cares who your friends are?
A local minister, are you threatening me with a local minister?
I'm quaking in my boots.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on June 20, 2013, 09:00:59 AM
You have apparently changed the topic without changing the title.
Now I'm leaving again for a good long while. I had only stopped by to see what was new. Nothing. What goes around comes around, and around, and around. Now go enjoy your summer and don't fall off that pretty horse.
Nothing new, whatcha talking about?
You really don't comprehend, even what you write do you?
You said I changed the topic, is that the Nothing you talk about.
But really I didn't change the topic it is still related to Elk Konnected, LLC via our Elk Konnected School Board President and possibly a couple of followers. And I think you fully recognize that fact as a friend of Elk Konnected and Follower.
I thank you for your hilarious dialog. Have a great day and we will look forward to your speedy return and your imaginary friends.
Please come back and attempt to slap me down again. It is so much fun to read. Thank you.
My calculations which I plan to double check, from West Elk Documentation
Comes to $365,969,05 they paid for trailers and installation there of.
Trailers they considered eyesores then and consider eyesores today as I understand them.
I will try to figure out how to post all this documentation.
It is public information requested under the freedom of information act.
I just don't have the time presently.
I know and understand there those on here that don't want you to see this information, they have tried their best to hammer me and failed, they don't want you to know this information because you might consider it a waste of taxpayer dollars.
Especially, since the Moline Grade School could probably have had it's roof repaired for a lot less.
It may be a couple of days before I get this information posted, please bear with me.
Lloyd, rather than beating me up, how about taking the time to proof read your work so folks don't have to try so hard to figure out the "bee in the bonnet du jour". I still don't know what your one sentence about the school board was trying to say.
I do have a question. Since I have quite a bit of experience going over the details of bid proposals, why do you assume the Moline school's roof could have been done "cheaper." There are a lot of things to take into consideration, which I won't bore you with unless you ask, and I'm sure you won't. More conspiracy? Don't you think they got the best they could for what they had to spend, especially if there were bid restrictions? Do you assume everybody but you is dishonest? You are starting to sound like poorly written National Enquirer. Who is the "they" to whom you keep referring? you really think "they'' are trying to punish the taxpayers? Do you know how neurotic that sounds? :o
If you truly don't have any idea what it takes to be a good steward of public monies, you should sign off and stop having any comments at all; you aren't qualified.
I already asked you to not try to connect unrelated ideas to things I say... You can't tie anything on any other subject to me d and my thoughts on the president or how I feel about Democracy. You have no clue!
And your comment about telling people not to believe anything you say.... Who are you trying to kid? Yourself? PUL-EESE! What a cop out!
OK, who said the portables at West Elk are eyesores? Who is "they" and "them"" Bricks and mortar got voted down. I'm not sure a Quonset hut would work, so what choice was left? They had to do something. They pay their taxes too.
I taught for several years in a very nice portable, air conditioned and all, when Cecil County had a military growth spurt. So what's the problem? They can be very nice. So go ahead and keep the conspiracy ideas flowing. You are making some folks very weary of hearing about it....again! How about giving it a rest? Bye.
Ross last time you got 6 votes when you ran for the School Board. I figure 2 of those are you and Rina. I think you are now ready to run again. Since you are retired you have all the time in the world to run and serve. Go get em Tiger. Don't listen to me I am just an edumacted redneck hick from Kansas.
JPjr.
Warning---short and sweet and to the point:
Quote from Diane:
I taught for several years in a very nice portable, air conditioned and all,
. You are making some folks very weary of hearing about it....again!
Diane,
You need to get your story straight--- "you taught for several years ?"---in the past you told us you started teaching in 1966 but had a chalk dust allergy so had to give it up and by 1969 you were riding in the ambulance, which by the way is a great political style statement. Riding in the ambulance did not make you an EMT, which you have confessed to in the past. Hell,I rode in the under sheriff's pick-up yesterday but that doesn't make me a deputy.
As for folks getting weary of hearing from Ross---again you don't know horse shit from apple butter. Trust me, I talk to a hell of a lot more people that live in Elk County than your 6 or 7 admitted cheerleaders that you correspond with and it is you dear lady the masses are sick of reading your BS. Seeing as you seem to have so much time on your hands perhaps you could go back to Warph's reply #736 on the This and That thread and answer the question he asked you about them intimidating phone calls to your beloved Black Panthers. What, silence again ? No proof ?? That's what I thought.
I'm sorry Diane I have wasted enough time on you.
A teacher with two years in the class room isn't even broken in.
this truly explains your lack of comprehension and lack of ability to follow along.
Give everyone a break with that phony teacher stuff.
I no longer care to converse with you and your imaginary secret and silent partners.
Bye-Bye, Diane you have now became a figment of my imagination.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on June 20, 2013, 03:23:08 PM
Ross last time you got 6 votes when you ran for the School Board. I figure 2 of those are you and Rina. I think you are now ready to run again. Since you are retired you have all the time in the world to run and serve. Go get em Tiger. Don't listen to me I am just an edumacted redneck hick from Kansas.
JPjr.
Jackson, I find your remarks a bit condescending, Not meaning to be rude or ugly, but lets tell the whole story.
Yes, I did apply to run for school board and I started studying the Kansas State School Board information and the more I studied the more I realized I needed to learn. I decided I did not have enough time to learn enough to be comfortable holding the position should I win it. So I went to the court house and attempted to withdraw. They refused to let me withdraw. So, I wrote a letter to the editor of our local stating I was with drawing and I asked that people vote for another candidate.
And no sir you assume wrong neither I nor my wife voted for me. I personally assume the 6 votes came from persons that may not have read the paper. I have absolutely no idea who they were, I believe those six votes were simply a fluke. Perhaps they may have been people who were just tired of the same old people and saw a new name and check the boxes. We will never know.
But after attending a number of school board meetings, I do believe I would be better qualified than some that are there.
The first thing I would insist on would be to hold the meetings in a place where the school board could be placed in a straight line and no others would be sitting at the table but those elected to do so. That perhaps would be the auditorium or in the large area just inside the front door of the school. I would have the secretary sit at her own table. All others, teachers, principles, coaches and visitors would be comfortably seated in front of the school board so the would be faced by each and every board member. This is what I believe would be the proper way to run such a public meeting. If the board members are unable to make themselves clearly heard by all in the room, I would use a microphone system to improve the communication. In my opinion the school superintendent is the most intelligent in the room and the most experienced, however his job is to work for the school board, and to answer to the school board, not to be a part of the school board sitting at the head of the table. Any questions or answers required from the school board of the school superintendent can be asked respectfully of him from the audience, just as with the other hired employees, the teachers, the principal and the coaches. Simply a proper way to run an elected school board meeting.
I would also see that everyone in attendance would have the agenda with the attachments that are now only provided to a few select in the audience. I would also see to it that the attachments were attached to the agenda posted on the school Web site and I would also require that they be posted on the web site in a timely manner. This would assure that I truly interested in engaging the taxpayers, the voters and the parents. It would also show that I am truly interested in providing transparency and honesty.
Now, I will step down off my soap box.
And contrary to what you think about me being retired and having all kinds of time on my hands you are quite wrong.
I have a wife that keeps me very busy and I am still raising a son and I also have sixty acres with cattle and horses and chickens to tend to along with tending my farm equipment and putting up hay every year. No sir, I don't have a lot of free time. I am getting older and slowing down considerably and consequently it takes me more time to tend to my labors. Having two artificial knees also tend to slow one down. No sir I am not complaining, I very much enjoy doing what I do. That is why I came here to enjoy my life.
Thank you for engaging me.
The public documents I have received through a freedom of information act form I provided for the school district far exceed the allowed up load limits on this forum. So I am going to be working on a way to upload them to a site I can provide you a link to so you can read and inspect them.
I know, I understand according to one of the reports us old folks are not suppose to understand the importance of all this high technology.
But I believe I understand the importance in using this technology to get the information out there to you.
If the school recognized the importance of using the technology to do the same thing, so you are an informed voter and taxpayer I would not have to do this.
But I believe, I can find a solution to my present problem of providing you this important information.
Just give me a little time, please.
Thank you.
Listen you! Stop trying to redraw the story of my life! Don't read this, you might incur brain damage! ;D :angel:
I did start teaching in 1966 at Wilmington Manor in New Castle. After a few years, a head hunter in Cecil County MD made me such a good offer, plus it was closer to home by 20 minutes, I couldn't refuse. It was there ,after more of years teaching in Room 15E, in the main building, the school became overcrowded due to a big influx of military into Cecil County.
A quad of four portables was placed on the back parking lot and my third grade portable was on the other side. I was in it for several years. Eventually things changed and my portable was no longer needed.
I was NOT a new teacher or hardly broken in at the time I was in the portable. In fact it helped the allergy problem as I could use dry marker on the white boards that were there.
Most of what I've ever told about myself has come from answering a zillion questions over the last six years.
If you are determined to do a time line, it would run from 1966 to 2006...sort of.
I've never even told you about the bindery I worked for one day a week when school was out for the summer. ;D
I have never said I was a full time EMT. I took the Ambulance Attendant classes at night and on weekends in 1969-70, just like everyone else did in those days. We all had other jobs too and were volunteers with our fire companies. We had duty times and took turns and all took pick up runs at odd times and holidays. If you don't understand how it works, not my problem!
We are very civilized here. One doesn't set foot on our ambulances until the training is completed and then one can ride, not the other way around. Perhaps Hicksville allows anybody to ride, but I can't say,not my business. Is knowing "Sticky side down" enough? ;)
My Ambulance Attendant/ EMT teaching for the state (paid) was also on nights and weekends. (well duh). I was recruited to teach and test those classes. I was also an evaluator for the National Registry exam, both written and practical. I finally gave up my National Registry of EMT status in 2008... I let it lapse, didn't renew it. I'm still a CPR instructor, but will let that lapse in two years. I'll stop doing the camps and fire safety programs then too. Age 70 is enough.
I also rode a private ambulance ,Medical Transport Service, and took long distance transports, including once taking a grandmother from a nursing home here to her granddaughter's posh wedding in Conn. That was fun. Eventually Jim sold his business and went to Paramedic school.
Ya wanna call my life fiction? Help yourself. I don't care and the people who know me know the truth. I can't imagine if you all hate me so much why you'd spend so much time trying to trip me up some how. Ya can't do it because it's all true. You say you don't care but you still read what I post and are as rude as you can be. Now stop wasting time and go do something useful, or help Ross in his attempt to save Elk County from its self.
Hey Jar, would you like me to call your Marine time a sham and nothing but hot air? After all, you were just a rear line cook,right? You were active for just a few years right? More than 40 years ago? and you are still squeezing the juice out of it...after all these years? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D How do you like it, Pal. Remember you all were hated back then... baby killers all. Ya like being poked? Not nice is it? Now cut it out! You were asked nicely more than once.
Again with the Black Panthers? Is your needle stuck? If you want to know about the threatening phone calls that started it all.... My information came from the local Philly TV news, same as everyone else got theirs. Ask them! Don't ever let facts get in the way of your opinions... :(
I won't be back for some time unless I need to be .
Ross...you lie. I looked 'cause I knew you had and I found it. You told me in your list you never said you were stupid. Wrong. You did and that is why I had mentioned it in something I wrote. Go back and reread your own words in #5546.
I wouldn't have mentioned it, but you and Jar are on some kind of "anti Diane" tear again so I won't put up with your nonsense. At least remember what you wrote!
Speaking of unanswered questions, I'm still waiting to hear who said the portables are eyesores? More silence? It's from your own mouth, isn't it? Recently you have asked any number of education type questions I could have answered, but I didn't say a word. Be happy and stay blissfully ignorant. Once again...you don't know that you don't know. Gone again.
Hey, Jarhead did you hear something from the figment of my imaginaton?
Jarhead that durn figment of my imagination seems to lack respect for a lot of things, even American war veterans, how shameful is that.
I think, I need some medication for that, don't you?
I think that figment needs more konnected support, poor figment.
Later Jarhead.But moving on Jarhead, I received an article from a friend and I'm posting just a small part of it.
It seems to fit right here because it explains a lot of the attitude we don't like right here in Elk County.
Here we go:
"Because issues like segregated schools and housing, lack of jobs and opportunity--symbols of history that are a source of pride for some and pain for others--these are not tangential to peace; they're essential to it," said Obama. "If towns remain divided--if Catholics have their schools and buildings, and Protestants have theirs--if we can't see ourselves in one another, if fear or resentment are allowed to harden, that encourages division. It discourages cooperation.
Obama is now insisting on enforcing an Obamacare regulation that would force Catholic individuals, business owners and institutions to provide health care plans that cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs. The Catholic bishops of the United States have unanimously declared this regulation an "unjust and illegal mandate" that violates the constitutionally guaranteed right to free exercise of religion.
Dozens of Catholic business owners and institutions are now suing the Obama administration over this regulation. The University of Notre Dame and Catholic University of America are among those who have filed suit. A number of Protestant business owners and institutions have also sued the administration over this regulation because it forces them to provide abortion-inducing drugs and IUDs in contradiction to their moral and religious beliefs. (End Of Article)
What is wrong with all them heathens , why don't they co-operate and unify, become one church Unified in God. Give up all their one beliefs and co-operate, durn fools.
Am I stirring the pot or am I just doing the same as these religious folks? What is wrong with the religious folks don't they want to co-operate?
Don't they want unity? Don't they want to be unified?
Someone on the school board wants unity, doesn't that simply mean they want everyone else to be puppets and co-operate with one mans opinion and plan whether it is good or bad?
Is co-operation and unity always a good plan?
Perhaps if you are playing football.
But is our school board playing a game?
Is being a school board member a sport?
Do you remember some of the big ideas of Elk Konnected on page one of this thread?
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Be able to keep and reopen schools in small towns as population grows _ 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Now really who stirs the pot?
Who came up with this list?
Why don't all the communities want to co-operate and be unified?
Oh, my bet is they would lose control of what they presently have, to the "Old Guard", right?
Have you heard of the United Nations Article 21?
Have you heard China is starting the process intended by the United Nations Article 21?
Isn't it full of unity and isn't everything unified?
China has built cities and towns and is now ready to fill them.
They are going to start moving 250,000,000 (250 million) people out of the rural areas, the rural towns and off the farms into these new cities over the next 12 years.
Isn't that terrific?
I don't recall them asking the people if they want to move.
But I guess unity and co-operation is a strong goal, don't you.
Do we want or need a unified county or school board all controlled by the "Old Guard", or do we want and need individuals on the board, that ask the tough questions?
Oh, remember the idea of reopening schools in small towns. All the towns in Elk County are small towns, does that mean Howard is the smallest and therefore is the only one to have a school close by.
How about that School in Moline that sits empty, it shames the school board daily by remaining closed.
It has a gymnasium and an auditorium and more class rooms that could aleviate class room congestion that exists at West Elk.
Why is the school board so adamant about reopening it.
Especially, after wasting over hundreds and hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on trailers.
Oh yea, the roof need fixed, half of the roof was under warranty at the time and the price of the other half could have been negotiated.
But lets spend hundreds of dollars on some retired old professor working for a company in Missoruri to manipulate the school board and also write their grocery list.
All you folks on the school board should probably knuckle under and do what the Elk Konnected School Board President wants to do.
You need to be more co-operative and unified on all that construction stuff,
don't even consider any alternatives because that is not co-operative, ya hear.
My cotton picking key board skips some keys every once in a while. so I had to come back and make a couple of corrections.
I sure hope the same thing happens with that united thinking, correction that is.
Quote from Diane:
Most of what I've ever told about myself has come from answering a zillion questions over the last six years.
If you are determined to do a time line, it would run from 1966 to 2006...sort of.
1966 to 2006--sort of . Sort of ???? What a great political answer. That sure leaves a lot of wiggle room. I was not trying to redraw the story of your life. It was you that said--------
Quote from Diane :
I started teaching in 1966, started riding the ambulance in 1969 ,started teaching EMT etc. part time in 1974 and didn't give up my EMT credentials until 2006. Did some firefighting too, of course.
Do you see why I was /am confused? You tell us you started riding in the ambulance in 1969---then today you say you took the classes in 1969 & 1970 and---
quote:One doesn't set foot on our ambulances until the training is completed and then one can ride, not the other way around. Perhaps Hicksville allows anybody to ride,
It really is no big deal---I guess. As I get older I get more confused too.
Not sure where Hicksville is Is that a town in DE.? Sounds like a place I would like though.
You are dang sure right about me being a cook while in the Corps. Cooked a bunch of them C-rations. No Diane, I never killed no babies--hell, never even seen a baby out in the jungle. I really don't think I was hated by all---just by the liberals and the commies---but I have forgiven them---but I aint never forgot about them !!!
Why lump me in with Ross ? He is on a crusade about West Elk. I could care less what happens at West Elk.
I asked at our West Elk School District Office about the study performed by Wichita State University and was told West Elk did not have a copy of their report.
I asked what happened and was told they had nothing to do with that study and that the people came here of their own volition.
I told them I suppose I would have to contact Wichita State University and I heard no objections.
So I did just that.
The Assistant to the Dean – Operations, WSU College of Education sent me the following e-mail. I did leave out names and e-mail address because I do not have consent to use them.
Beginning of e-mail:
We have tracked down the research project you mentioned in your email of 6/18/2013. The faculty in Educational Leadership participated in an efficiency study of USD 282 in fall of 2011. It was through the Center for Innovative School Leadership at Emporia State University. The director of the center and should be able to provide you with a copy of the report.
End of e-mail.
Did you catch all of that about EFFICIENCY STUDY?
How about all that major LEADERSHIP stuff?
Isn't any of that of any interest to West Elk or the School Board?
Wouldn't it have been worth at least reading?
Aren't things really getting interesting?
I can hardly wait to get the report.
Another long one...be prepared.
Jar, you have it ,more or less. Way back the "ambulance" was often a repurposed hearse owned and operated by the local funeral director. Here, the earliest was run by UD with a horse and ambulance wagon.1833.
I wouldn't expect you to know this, but in the 50's and 60's (and earlier), ambulance training for most areas was Red Cross First Aid. The docs that one saw in the ER were whoever happened to have that shift. There were no people with true "emergency " training as there are now. Remember,as time goes that is ancient history!
I started at Aetna in 1969. (I was asked to do it) I had an Advanced Red Cross First Aid card, as was required here to be a teacher, so I was ready to go after some fire house training on our equipment. That was what Aetna required.
Emergency Care, as we know it now, was started as a DOT course.There had been a national challenge to do something about the serious number of accidents and fatalities on the road.The challenge also went to car manufacturers to begin to design and build safer cars. Child locks, safety windshield glass, standard factory installed seat belts came soon after. The door and window handles were redesigned to not protrude into the car. (Remember Ralph Nader? The "Nader bolt" came from that.) ( We used to see lots of ruptured spleens from those if the folks weren't belted.) The hospitals were asked to be involved also and started requiring medical schools to provide true trauma training. And where did those MD instructors come from? Viet Nam, of course. At the same time all the rest was happening, Medic and Corpman training started becoming much more advanced. They were starting to come home and nobody wanted all that talent to be wasted. Hence ,paramedics started riding the ambulances. It was a wonderful bump up. The first EMS chopper pilots came from that too. It was a huge help. (Yes, I got to go back then.) All retired now.
At that time the Delaware State Fire School was one of the most advanced in the nation. It also was awarded a huge national grant to write a true Emergency Care text book, the first ever. (Grant and Murray). Prior to that the blocks of instruction were on mimeographed paper,stapled together to make a chapter. By the time the course ended....all 9 weeks of it, (1970) ;D one had one's own textbook to keep. A recert. was started for every two years.
Now, Harvey Grant was a good friend, so some of us were recruited to help write and work on the new text...fondly called the "Yellow Book' for it's bright yellow cover. Al wrote the chapter on street drugs. I did a lot of proofing and editing and wrote most of the chapter on burns. It was professionally illustrated and published and became the first actual EC text, with several others published shortly there after by others. Today they are the size of a big telephone book and the course is about I80 hours, plus clinicals. I was very honored to get to be a piece of all that.
I didn't "officially" start teaching part time for DSFS until 1974, as they had a five year fire service requirement, but if they needed me they would slip me in as a "guest lecturer' because of my public school teaching certificate, the only one among the many instructors at that time. The others were considered to be vocational technical instructors. I sat for the new National Registry of EMT's Exam in 1974.( I wasn't in the charter group, but was close.) Really tough questions! An entire day of written and practicals...got an 84 and was glad to have it! A great many didn't pass the first time. It's a bit like taking proficiency boards. To this day students have sleepless nights worrying about taking it. Like most things medical, the National Registry had to be recerted every two years. I taught part of that too. All of this has grown and changed tremendously over the years.
Just here in Newark's fire response district we have increased from less than 1,000 ambulance calls a year when I started to more that 8,000 a year now. We used to run two ambulances ,now we run six.
Until I "retired'' a few years ago I had the oldest and longest standing National Registry certification in the state. Yes, I taught fire safety and industrial first responder also. (I taught hand held fire extinguishers too, with a fire pan to practice on. among others I taught the school cafeteria workers and we had a lot of fun since I was female and they were comfortable with me.
Yes, it has kept me busy all these years. That's why I'm slowly backing out now. Except for local firehouse stuff, I'll be done when I'm 70. Jar, I'm sure you can make more questions, but I'm about done in. Enough? Please?
Jar, I didn't mean to include you in with Ross for the same reason. If it seemed that way I do apologize. You do come off awfully rough sometimes though.
All that stuff about being unified Mr. Konnected School Board President, I'd like to ask you, is that one of your NGO's ideas for the school board?
You know the NGO, Elk Konnected?
It seems to me teachers in some parts of Kansas aren't even united in labor unions, and that is not a put down, because I am quite sure they have just cause. Here is one example:
From an e-mail I received, seems teachers can't even be unified does it?
And this sounds like a mighty small community. Enrollment head count this school year (2012-13) is 243 students.
Kansas School Expels State Teachers Union
By Travis Perry / June 21, 2013 / Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE — The tiny Kansas school district of Deerfield made some big noise when local educators decided to boot out the state teachers union earlier this month.
Deerfield USD 216 became only the second school district in the state to shun the Kansas National Education Association, following a 2009 decision by educators at Riley County USD 378. Instead, in an 11-10 vote on June 10, Deerfield teachers opted for local representation with the assistance of the Kansas Association of American Educators.
KAAE is a non-union organization that provides liability insurance and legal counsel to educators, but does not inject itself into the negotiation process.
The Garden City Telegram reports:
After an initial vote held on May 14 that resulted in a tie of 13-13, a second mail-in vote was held, and 24 ballots were sent in, according to Joel McClure, a former Deerfield teacher who helped spearhead the effort. Of the 24 that were sent in, only 21 were accepted because three of the teachers had resigned, including McClure. Two other teachers abstained from voting, and one ballot didn't make it in time, McClure said.
With KNEA now banished from Deerfield halls, local educators are left with the atrophied Deerfield Teachers Association, of which only five of the district's 27 teachers are members. McClure said the decreasing interest in local representation was enough reason to fight against the statewide union.
"We started to think, 'Well, what if next year, it's four (members), what if it's three, what if it's two, what if it's one?" McClure told the Telegram. "That only leaves a very, very small amount of people to govern locally, and that's just no good for anybody. So, about the only way we could fix it was to go through this decertification process to try to change it, and luckily, we were very successful in that."
KNEA general counsel David Schauner was not available for comment Friday afternoon. But Pamela Torgerson, director of Southwest UniServ, the district headquarters for KNEA, told the Telegram that self-representation could backfire on educators if a contract dispute develops.
"My concern with that is that without any kind of organizational backing, it's going to be hard for the teachers there to enforce their negotiated agreement," Torgerson said. "So, if they get into trouble during bargaining, they have to go to mediation on their own, and if things work out even worse and they decide to go to fact-finding, they're pretty much on their own. They would have to pay for the fact finder to come out," a process she noted can be expensive.
But in the close-knit community of Deerfield, population 701, McClure said it's hard to fathom a case where educators and administrators would be unable to reach an agreement.
"There's no instance that I can think of in two decades where KNEA has had to come in to control an out-of-control administration and school board. I mean, it just doesn't happen," McClure told the Telegram. "The teachers are ready for this change, and they're ready to step up to the plate and do what needs to be done in governing the schools the way they think."
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Quote from: flintauqua on June 19, 2013, 01:35:20 PM
Ross, just because someone does not live in Elk County, does not mean they don't pay taxes to Elk County. Just because someone doesn't live in West Elk School District, does not mean they don't pay taxes to the district.
And just because someone owes taxes here but doesn't live here doesn't mean they pay them on time. I pay mine when due, do you?
Quote from: Patriot on June 22, 2013, 07:40:19 PM
And just because someone owes taxes here but doesn't live here doesn't mean they pay them on time. I pay mine when due, do you?
I do, I would not like to pay penalties or be embarrassed seeing my name in the newspaper as unable to meet my obligations.
Quote from: Patriot on June 22, 2013, 07:40:19 PM
And just because someone owes taxes here but doesn't live here doesn't mean they pay them on time. I pay mine when due, do you?
Patriot, good to see you posting. I checked Kansas tax records and flintaqua (Charles) is not delinquent.
Quote from: Patriot on June 22, 2013, 07:40:19 PM
And just because someone owes taxes here but doesn't live here doesn't mean they pay them on time. I pay mine when due, do you?
Charlie, knowing your Mom and Dad and your family background, I know you pay your taxes on time. I pay taxes in Kansas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, New Mexico and Texas and I pay them on time, actually a little head of time.
I received this in snail mail yesterday Jun 22 2013, it was post marked 21 Jun 2013.
Only took one day for delivery, nice huh! The post office still works.
Anyway, I thought I'd share it with any one that might be interested,
Color Emphases is my own.
West Elk USD #282
SPECIAL BOARD MEETING AGENDA
PUBLIC HEARING TO APPROVE REPUBLISHED GENERAL FUND BIDGET
SUNDAY, JUNE 30, 2013
WEST ELK DISTRICT OFFICE
Budget Hearing - 7:30 p.m.
Call to Order- 7:35 p.m.
I. Roll Call
II. Adoption of Agenda
III. Action Items
A Approval of Republished General Fund Budget
IV. Adjournment
Next Regular Board Meeting, Monday, July 8, 2013 @ 6:30 p.m.
Diane said ---------
What is wrong with all them heathens , why don't they co-operate and unify, become one church Unified in God. Give up all their one beliefs and co-operate, durn fools.
Am I stirring the pot or am I just doing the same as these religious folks? What is wrong with the religious folks don't they want to co-operate?
Don't they want unity? Don't they want to be unified?
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The answer to this Diane is this.
It would be against Christ to unify and comply! After all to comply with the world aka secular rules would be to go agaisnt what God says.
Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:34 ¶ Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 23, 2013, 02:45:07 PM
Diane said ---------
What is wrong with all them heathens , why don't they co-operate and unify, become one church Unified in God. Give up all their one beliefs and co-operate, durn fools.
Am I stirring the pot or am I just doing the same as these religious folks? What is wrong with the religious folks don't they want to co-operate?
Don't they want unity? Don't they want to be unified?
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The answer to this Diane is this.
It would be against Christ to unify and comply! After all to comply with the world aka secular rules would be to go agaisnt what God says.
Mat 10:32 ¶ Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 10:34 ¶ Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Mat 10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
Steve I 'm sorry to tell you but you are barking up the wrong tree.
That was me saying that:
Quote from: ROSS on June 21, 2013, 10:51:54 AM
\Obama is now insisting on enforcing an Obamacare regulation that would force Catholic individuals, business owners and institutions to provide health care plans that cover sterilizations, contraceptives and abortion-inducing drugs. The Catholic bishops of the United States have unanimously declared this regulation an "unjust and illegal mandate" that violates the constitutionally guaranteed right to free exercise of religion.
Dozens of Catholic business owners and institutions are now suing the Obama administration over this regulation. The University of Notre Dame and Catholic University of America are among those who have filed suit. A number of Protestant business owners and institutions have also sued the administration over this regulation because it forces them to provide abortion-inducing drugs and IUDs in contradiction to their moral and religious beliefs. (End Of Article)
What is wrong with all them heathens , why don't they co-operate and unify, become one church Unified in God. Give up all their one beliefs and co-operate, durn fools.
It was in reference to the West Elk School Board calling for unity among board members. It just ain't suppose to work that way. That is why there are so many of them. A check and balance of sorts.
Quote from: ROSS on June 23, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Steve I 'm sorry to tell you but you are barking up the wrong tree.
That was me saying that:
It was in reference to the West Elk School Board calling for unity among board members. It just ain't suppose to work that way. That is why there are so many of them. A check and balance of sorts.
Oooops ok sorry diane i got it wrong. I didn't realize it was tounge in cheek reference.
I almost bit your head off. I'd never said any such thing, nor would I. Thank you for correcting, but I'm sorry you feel the need to always hammer me for something. I haven't even been on here for several days. :'(
I promised you some documents from West USD 282. These are public information and if the school board really was interested in having people involved in the school as they claim they could post these on the Schools web site, so people could understand what is really going on there.
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I have never used a site like this before so please bear with me.
Play around with the site and enjoy.
I'd suggest right click and click open in a new tab.
You can down load the PDF's to your computer for easier reading if you wish.
There is a box near the top center of the page with a blue arrow and the word download, click and download, if you wish.
Just a short note at https://www.box.com/s/gv1t5t8jqz71gvro3xl7
West Elk USD Trailer Expenses PDF at https://www.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp
West Elk Efficiency Study by Wichita State University @ Emporia https://www.box.com/s/wuv2a28917tqclvx0vbk
I do plan to add at least one more PDF.
I hope this works for you.
When I asked the School district office for copies of the report from Emporia State University I was told they did not have it.
I was told they had nothing to do with that report and neither did the School Board.
While asking the Wichita State University for copies of the report they found the people involved with the effectiveness and efficiency study at Emporia State University and I received several e-mails one of which included the PDF of the report. And also an e-mail saying that the district office received their copy when the study was completed. Here is a copy of one communication with the man addressing it to the School Superintendent as well:
-------Original Message-------
From: Hein, Patrice
Date: 6/20/2013 10:41:49 AM
To: ross_lw@yahoo.com; mooreb@westelk.us
Cc: Lefever-Davis, Shirley
Subject: Study involving USD 282
Good morning,
We have tracked down the research project you mentioned in your email of 6/18/2013. Dr. Pat Terry, faculty in Educational Leadership participated in an efficiency study of USD 282 in fall of 2011. It was through the Center for Innovative School Leadership at Emporia State University. William Sailors is the director of the center and should be able to provide you with a copy of the report.
E-mail: wsailors@emporia.edu .
I hope this is what you were looking for.
Patrice Hein
Assistant to the Dean – Operations
WSU College of Education
1845 N Fairmount, Box 131
Wichita, KS 67260
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Also, as I thought the School Board has to approve any outside activity such as this study before it can happen. It is my belief that this study was requested by the school board just as the one performed by Dr. Christman and I feel we were lead to believe he was performing a Pittsburg State University when actually he was working for a privately owned company out of Missouri. So why all the shenanigans claiming they did not have the report and had nothing to do with the report from Emporia State Univ
-------Original Message-------
From: William Sailors
Date: 6/27/2013 7:36:15 AM
To: Ross
Subject: Re: West Elk USD 282 efficiency report
Good morning. The school administration usually visited with us first but the BOE must approve the process. We present an executive summary to the BOE at a board meeting. The full report you received is sent to the Superintendent . We assume he/she shares that report with the BOE and other appropriate people. Thanks for your interest.
Wsailors@emporia.edu
Sent from my iPad
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Who are the appropriate people? You and me, the taxpayers that's who? This is all public information konnected to a public school funded by you and me the taxpayer.
What is it , does the Konnected School Board President want to avoid letting the public know what is really going on at West Elk?
Why don't them Konnected folks want to come out in the open and have a truthful and honest dialog?
Why don't they Kommunicate with the real and actual community of Elk County, instead of some imaginary Konnected Kommunity/
I am still waiting to get a full copy of Dr. Christmans report. What I have received is missing several pages. When I get the full report I will post it along with the other reports.
I find it amazing that the report say us old folks don't understand the importance of technology and yet the school board ask for a study to be done by a kind and apparently retired professor that is apparently elderly, perhaps pushing eighty or more. Isn't that amazing us old folks don't understand and yet they hire an old folk. No, I am not knocking Dr. Christman. I found him to be a very sweet old gentleman, kinda reminded me of Colonel Sanders of KFC with beard and physical build and all. And I enjoyed our short visit.
I would like to hear from someone if these links are working for you!
Can you read the PDF's?
Can you down load the PDF's if you want to?
Here are the links again:
Just a short note at https://www.box.com/s/gv1t5t8jqz71gvro3xl7
West Elk USD Trailer Expenses PDF at https://www.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp
West Elk Efficiency Study by Wichita State University @ Emporia https://www.box.com/s/wuv2a28917tqclvx0vbk
If you don't want to reply openly I would appreciate a PM, personal Message. Thank you.
Ross, I had no problem viewing the aforementioned sites..and was given a choice to download.
thanks,
Jo
Quote from: Jo McDonald on July 04, 2013, 06:34:42 AM
Ross, I had no problem viewing the aforementioned sites..and was given a choice to download.
thanks,
Jo
Thanks a whole bunch I appreciate the feedback.
I had never used that site before and I figured it would work fine for me because I set it up, but that would not have necessarily been true for other people.
I hope you have a Happy 4th of July.
Ross
I just received a complete copy of Dr. Christman's study and report by snail mail.
The original copy I was provided, which I paid for, had several pages missing.
They failed to copy the back side of each page. They did correct this error in the present copy.
I wish to thank them for sending me a full copy.
I have scanned the report into my computer in PDF format and posted it at https://www.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_9067438167 for your viewing. It can also be down loaded to your computer if you so desire.
Hi Folks,
It was an interesting evening at tonight's School Board of Education tonight.
Well look here, I can no longer say, "Mr. Konnected School Board President", shuckens!
He got voted out of the position by a 6 to 1 vote, and Mr. Matt Hilton was voted in as President of the School Board of Education for West Elk USD 282. Congratulations to Mr. Hilton.
Let's see West Elk USD 283 School Board of Education had an efficiency study performed I believe at no cost by Emporia State University and a study and report from Dr. Christman of :
Quote from: ROSS on June 13, 2013, 09:27:25 PM
Let's look at the West Elk long term Educational Plan that we paid T.D. and Associates of 506 Ridgewood Circle, Carl Junction, Missouri a $1500 consulting fee and mileage of 840 miles times $.55 a mile for $462 for a grand total of $1962.00 taxpayers dollars. That was Chris Christman who has email address at Pitt State.
And now we follow that up with $19000.00 wasted paying Heckman and Associates for Master Planning only to say good bye to them at the board meeting.
It seems Heckman and Associates sent a 3 or 4 pages of Master Planning Facility Questionnaire. And they were supposed to be present tonight but from what I gathered the School Superintendent told them not to come. They were costing too much. Yea, at $85 an hour and mileage and getting nowhere with them that is very expensive. One of the board members said he was under the understanding that the $19,000 was suppose to see them through to a final plan. The Superintendent said he had issues with the Questionnaire and would not want to provide it to the public, I wonder why? It is public information and the taxpayers have paid for it. Why the secrecy?
When I asked for a copy of what they use to refer to as attachments, I was denied. I was told I would have to ask in advance. I will be checking into this further.
Hackman & Associates told the School Superintendent that the class rooms were
luxurious. The Superintendent said he explained to the man when the school was built, it was built to house
600 children and they had 35 kids per room on average.
My previous mention that the school was built has been questioned by a few people and I was not at liberty to disclose the name of the person that told me. But this 600 number was mentioned at tonight's school board meeting by the School Superintendent and therefore public information.
Well, that was $19,000 spent towards nothing and then we had another $365,969.05 or there about spent on trailers and another trailer recently bought for $6000 and Lord knows how much it will cost to install it. But if the total cost for 4 was $365,969.05, then one more might cost in the neighborhood of $50,000 to $80,000, just a very rough estimate.
So let's see adding up all those numbers comes to a bunch doesn't it?
$365,969.05 for 4 trailers
$1962.00 for Dr. Christman
$19,000.00 for Heckman and Associates
$50,000.00 a poor estimate for another trailer
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$436931.05 nearly a half million and that is not including all the expense for a computer technician and all the wiring and massive computer expenses.
What are they doing over there, how many servers and computers are needed at a high school?
This is not a Computer Technical College teaching information technology (IT) is it?
The Information Technology Association of America has defined information technology as "the study, design, development, application, implementation, support or management of computer-based information systems". And then there is computer animation are they capable of teaching either one? I don't think so!
Do they even have the capable of teaching beyond the basics? I doubt it. So why do they need to spend so much money on technology.
As I understand it, those thing called white boards are nothing more than a computer that can be programmed to run a class. We do have high school classes on line for home schooling. The boards could do the same thing. Also if I remember right the school is paying a company to provide curriculum and the kids can sit at their desk and answer questions that are posted on these white boards and the white board grades the student's responses. So why do you need a teacher? How about a room monitor to operate the machine and to make sure the kids stay in their seat and comply with what the computer wants. If I were a teacher I'd be worried about my job. The computer could register who shows up for class and report any absences to the office all nice and neat and clean.
No us old folks don't understand the importance of technology, so just ignore the above paragraphs.
Just ignore this whole post and let the money flow, especially for a Taj Mahal of a School which only rates average in teaching in Elk County, Kansas. Build another gym and a community storm shelter for Howard's Community outside of it's city limits for millions of dollars. The school has been operating just fine for a couple of years and another gym is not a necessity but some ones want? Isn't it time to consider the difference?
(Sarcasm on)
Oh, what the heck build a stadium and get it over with. (Sarcasm off)
Just my thoughts and opinion, not important.
Why do you people read this garbage? Just asking?
Ross, you are talking about Smart boards, not white boards. Research them for yourself to see what they are all about.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 09, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Ross, you are talking about Smart boards, not white boards. Research them for yourself to see what they are all about.
Why thank you Diane for correcting that minor error, but I have also heard them referred to as white boards.
I suppose that is because they are white, I don't know.
But at least this error didn't cost the kids and the taxpayers
$19,000 and more did it?
Thanks again.
Lets take a look at the LONG-TERM EDUCATIONAL PLAN WEST ELK U.S.D. 282 starting with what the kids told Dr. Christman. I am going to add my remarks in blue.
I tried to keep everything original but scanning the document into word is not perfect, so if you find an error, I apologize for that.
Only a few people have actually looked at the documentation I provided from the school, so I though I would share a few excerpts in hope to peak your interest. After all it is your tax dollars that pay for all these studies and it may be your property taxes that get increased to build a Taj Mahal. Everyone wants a new gym and others want to build a Community Storm Shelter for Howard at the expense of people across Elk County. If you live in Moline do you want to pay for a Community Storm Shelter for Howard? Moving on!
First what the students had to say to Dr. Christman:
Group: Students?
1. New facility-the grade school should have their own instead of a trailer park at the north end of the building.
Really kids! Do you kids have the money to build a new grade school? No! How about you push to reopen the Moline Grade School? Something that is feasible!
2. Teachers-the bad ones should go and keep quality, involved with students.
What? Bad teachers at West Elk? The kids should know right? Good point, do it for the kids.
3. Better lunch-Not enough and improve quality.
Isn't it claimed that kids learn better when feed properly?
4. Bullying-"Better look out", the teachers say they don't know it is happening-reported by nothing done
If it is reported how come teachers are unaware> Don't they care about the kids? What happened to, "it's for the kids"?
5. PDA (Public Display of Affection)-Lots in the halls-way too much.
Who is tending to the business of kids at school?
6. Breakfast is crowded- Grade schoolers everywhere and maybe 1 or 2 tables for high school.
Cry me a river, we didn't have breakfast at school. Don't you like grade schoolers? Where are those social skills you are supposed to be learning at West Elk?
7. Shared gym with elementary.
Better than no gym isn't it?
8. Always feel prepared for the next grade level-middle school math teacher (former) always had us very prepared.
Does this only happen in the math class? What about the other classes?
9. Scholarship lady is awesome.
10. Smaller class size is a plus.
11. Gym- We need better equipment and weight facilities. Wrestlers practice in the cafeteria. We need a 2nd gym.
There is a great difference between need and want. Things have been working great for a couple of years and can continue if the proper social skills are used. Unless you kids have the money to pay for all your wants. Perhaps those people that have land leases and making $3 million a year from the wind farm will buy your wants for you, do you think you might consider asking them?
12. New gym floor.
Now you kids are maintenance experts, amazing! Ever heard of repairs?
13. AC in gym.
Oh heck lets just build a sports club, put in a sauna so you can sweat on demand, how about an inside Olympic swimming pool. After all it is only money and what is an education with out the very best gymnasium?
14, School board and superintendent need to see the student body. Superintendent should come introduce himself the first day of school.
15. Better English programs@ HS. We need grammar-less movies and literature. Bring
grammar back! And explain more.
16. More college prep.
17. Improvements to softball, baseball and football field. Softball girls pick up rocks every practice.
There we go again sports, sports, sports? Sports extreme!
Group: Students
1. Money.
2. Government.
3. The community-they don't think we need more space because they are not here and don't understand what it is really like. They are more concerned about their own money.
Yes children the adults are concerned about their money and when the don't have it to give to you, you to will be concerned about the adults money. Where do you get your money for food, housing, clothing, medical care, dental care and so many other things provided by your adult parents?
4. Financial support for extra classes-FACS, Woods and Ag.
5. Student support is here, but the money isn't.
6. Bullying-teachers won't do anything about it. Sometimes if you do tell the teacher it just gets worse. A lot of the bullying happens outside of school. They tattle at school even if it didn't happen at school. You should not be punished at school for Facebook and Twitter problems outside of schools.
School Board of Education I don't hear you discussing this problem, why? Isn't it al for the kids?
7. Social media is carrying into the schools in a very negative way.
Doesn't the school board of education comprehend the importance of technology?
Are social media such as facebook and others blocked on that powerful internet ya'all have?
I know the Elk Valley blocks such things.
8. Why do the boys get better coaches than the girls?
Waa! Waa! But yes, why? Is boys sports more important?
9. Physics is all on the computer and he is not able to teach the class.
School Board of Education Alert! Alert! High tech apparently getting in the way! Is the kid say this is a bad teacher?
Alert! Alert! Alert!
10. We don't have Driver's Ed, all on-line and drive on week-ends.
Yes, I am a bit sarcastic when the establishment wants to use kids to further their agenda.
"It's for the kids" is a phrase that encourages obfuscation and posturing. It allows self-interest to hide behind self-righteousness and vapid sentiment. It also imposes real costs. The rhetoric of "it's for the kids" makes it easy for serious disagreements about policy or practice to devolve into name-calling and questions of motive.
Spending my tax dollars wastefully is not all about the kids.
Building a Taj Mahal is not about the kids or for the kids. (now that's a real negative, IMHO)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 09, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
Ross, you are talking about Smart boards, not white boards. Research them for yourself to see what they are all about.
Diane I finally gave your suggestion a little thought, I have been very busy with more important things, so pardon me.
The term whiteboard was used by a salesman at a school board meeting I attended about a year ago.
I observed the display of one and it is simply a white board with a projection computer, projecting on to the white board.
You can get the internet projected on to the white board and even get your facebook or this forum up there.
The sales pitches are great all about enhanced teaching. Sure ya gotta hype those expensive toys to sell them.
Of course you can buy services from companies that can provide anything educational over the internet up on that white board at hefty prices, to further enhance teaching. As a matter of fact, I don't think you need a teacher, much like home schooling over the internet. The possibilities are unlimited through technology. It just depends on how much you want to pay and how you want to use it. It is an expensive toy or an expensive tool that could replace teachers.
Did you notice the kids said a teacher had geometry on the computer but still could not teach the subject?
Diane I suggest you research white boards and here is a link for you.
http://www.einstruction.com/products/interactive-whiteboards
Ain't this education teacher? I ain't the smartest poster on this forum and I accept that, but facts are facts. And opinions are opinions, right?
Sure stuck her foot in her mouth on that one. Now she'll tell us all about smart boards, to cover her mistake. ::)
Had some high school boys come by my yard sale other day ,I had a wooden box from Cuba that had cigers from 1950 something .They had no clue where the hell Cuba was they thouth it was in Russia,when told it was off coast of the USAtold me I was full crap
Quote from: oldfart on July 10, 2013, 09:43:39 AM
Had some high school boys come by my yard sale other day ,I had a wooden box from Cuba that had cigers from 1950 something .They had no clue where the hell Cuba was they thouth it was in Russia,when told it was off coast of the USAtold me I was full crap
That must be that average education they are receiving and those social skill learned in an average school. I'm sorry to hear they were so rude to you.
You know the State School Board has even said the standards have been lowered so being average shouldn't be to hard. And that why we need to concentrate on building gyms and Community Storm Shelters with the school budget instead of on better education. Oh least we forget thousands and thousands more on those fantastic toys called white boards that can provide internet browsing for the whole class room.
Remember what the kid said about the geometry class with the high tech white board and that the teacher still could not teach the subject? Doesn't that speak volumes about high tech in the class room?
Thanks for letting us know Oldfart.
Perhaps the School Board of Education might take notice if they stop thinking about construction and focus on education?
Or better yet, folks ought to recognize what the government schools really are and place their kids in private school or homeschool.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 10, 2013, 07:25:00 AM
Sure stuck her foot in her mouth on that one. Now she'll tell us all about smart boards, to cover her mistake. ::)
Now Bullwinkle can't we all, just ---- just get along!
After all I'm human and I make errors too!
I think she may just accept what is an error on her part and let it go, she's human too, isn't she?
ROTFLMAO
While red makes the best point, oldfart's experience more closely reflects our current reality. Until citizens & parents wake up to the folly of turning children over to the government for indoctrination, they could at least hold the feet of elected officials & elites to the fire and demand something that at least resembles reasonable education. What oldfart experienced, I opine, is far too common.
You don't know what you've got until it's gone.
Where did these people get their edumacation?
Channeling Gingrich: Congressional Democrats Propose National Park On The Moon
http://www.mediaite.com/online/channeling-gingrich-congressional-democrats-propose-national-park-on-the-moon/
Another educated major waste of taxpayer money. Stupid IMHO!
I sure hope the West Elk School can come up with some way of teaching critical thinking they brought one time.
Fine, then what is the difference between a "white board" and a "smart board?" One can project onto simple white boards or use dry markers on them. They have been around since I was teaching! No electricity needed.
So then what is a smart board? Smart boards are also white, but they are a world apart in price and can do all kinds of things.... and need electricity to run them. Look up smart boards for yourself. They CAN just about run without a teacher, but wouldn't make for a very good class in my opinion. Works well for pure memorization, but has limits when it comes to critical thinking skills.
The salesman didn't do you any favor by calling what he wanted to show you a white board. Enormous difference in price. A number of companies make them. Can classrooms run without them? Of course! In fact some places think that each student having his/her own tablet is a better way to go.
Do you remember what were called "programed textbooks?" back in the 70's" They were great for independent learning but couldn't teach creative writing or critical thinking a bit well. Kids could move as fast or as slow on a unit as they needed to. Didn't work a bit well with kids who were distractable or immature. They didn't get the "time on task" concept.
Bull, look up White Board for Dummies. Ya wanna stay back in the dark ages, help yourself. It doesn't matter to me one way or another. You few have already announced how dumb Kansas teachers and students are...so be it. ::)
Now look what you did Bullwinkle.
You predicted it and it happened.
Are you a visionary, too!
ROFLMAO
Lets look at another aspect of this LONG-TERM EDUCATIONAL PLAN WEST ELK U.S.D. 282 starting with the School Board of Education it's self and Dr. Christman.
I am going to add my remarks in blue.
I tried to keep everything original but scanning the document into word is not perfect, so if you find an error, I apologize for that.
Only a few people have actually looked at the documentation I provided from the school, so I though I would share a few excerpts in hope to peak your interest. After all it is your tax dollars that pay for all these studies and it may be your property taxes that get increased to build a Taj Mahal. Everyone wants a new gym and others want to build a Community Storm Shelter for Howard at the expense of people across Elk County. If you live in Moline do you want to pay for a Community Storm Shelter for Howard? Moving on!
First what the students had to say to Dr. Christman:LONG-TERM EDUCATIONAL PLAN
WEST ELK U.S.D. 282
THE PROCESS
The process actually started out with the School Board of Education lacking the capability of thinking for themselves and discussing business amongst themselves or someone wanted to hire someone to control the School Board of Education and manipulate it with a plan towards building a Taj Mahal. now that would be Mr. Christman who was billed to us as a Professor at Pittsburg University.
He wasn't billed as retired. He wasn't billed as working for a privately owned firm out of Missouri, now was he?
I was there at the meeting where I watched Dr. Christman dance around the room and writing on huge poster paper , taping them to the walls and asking the School Board of Education simple and I mean very simple questions. The main question was, "What do you want?" Well folks to pay out the kind of money they paid out to a private company to ask what do you want is hideous to me. The man facilitated the meeting. This was the consensus building activity by Doctor Christman. Of course the Elk Konnected President of the School Board at the time said "construction". Doesn't it figure? Hasn't Elk konnected pushed for this since day one, by facilitating meetings that got the grade schools shut down? I mean I'm asking you!
I thought these people were voted on to the school board to make decisions and they appoint a facilitator which is called the President of the School Board, don't they? I would think the intelligent question would have been what do we need to do to raise the standard of teaching? Now I would like to ask what is more important teaching or sports or constructing a Taj Mahal? Can these people on the board focus on education? Why did they choose to ignore the Effectiveness and Effeciency Report from Emporia State University? Is it because they didn't have to pay for it, or is it they only trust private companies from Missouri? The Board of Education of West Elk Unified School District No. 282, through a focused discussion process, identified key components of a long-term educational plan. After working through a consensus building activity, the following six {6) items were identified by the Board of Education as possible core issues to be addressed by the proposed plan. The complete list of items considered is found in appendix A.
• Create a long-term facilities plan including remodeling, upgrades, and construction i.e. second gym, elementary facilities, and mobile units
• Kids First Attitude and Philosophy
How about Education first• Curriculum I instruction-what is taught and how
• Teach to the individual student-critical thinking skills
• Monitor student progress K-12
• Recruit & retain quality teachers when vacancies occur
The Board of Education submitted the original six (6) plan components for discussion and input by identified internal and external focus groups. The internal groups were high school students , teachers, classified Isupport
staff, and administrators. The external focus group included parents, patrons, civic and business leaders. In total, 11O participants actively engaged in discussion of the six {6) proposed plan components. In addition, one {1) person submitted comments via the internet.
After the focus groups met, common threads and reoccurring themes were identified. They are as follows:
GOOD THINGS ABOUT WEST ELK SCHOOLS
• Positive experienced teaching staff
Perhaps you should read what the kid said about the geometry class with the expensive white board, don't kids come first with you? Or is this just a sales job?• Great kids
• Small school environment-everyone knows each other
What did you expect when you shut down grade schools? Wasn't the real plan to centralize rather than to optimize? Solutions can be found with inside those luxurious rooms I'm sure. The building was designed for 600 kids and you only have 300 maybe less. The solution does not have to be construction. ELEMENTS OF A LONG-TERM EDUCATIONAL PLAN
• Facilities-overcrowding, scheduling conflicts, additional gym
How come it has worked for the last several years? Why the crying now?• Recruitment-retention of quality staff
• Communication
Now that would be an excellent idea, when do you implement it?ISSUES
• Limited resources
Yes, people are tired of being over taxed because some little group wants something fancy?• Declining enrollment
Excellent point. So why build more building?• Changing demographics
No economic development and no chance of it either, is there?• Bond issue -taxes
Isn't this the same as limited resources, duh! Weren't you told with a resounding no over the last Bond Issue. What does it cost to keep running Bond Issues. Can't you accept no for an answer?The comments from the various focus groups is included in appendix B
Until next time. Just food for thought. Opinions and facts that's all.
Ross just to clarify... I post when I want to and say what I want to. Bull has nothing to do with it. I could care spit about what Bull thinks.
Have you ever seen a real smart board in action? How about a 3-D computer?
Wasn't the one student you mentioned complaining about his physics teacher? Or am I wrong? That's not the same as geometry...which I think could be pretty cool on a smart board.
By the way, anybody who just turns over their kids to ANY school and refuses to be a part of the eduction process is a poor excuse for a parent. It takes the parent(s), teachers and all kinds of inside and outside resources to turn out a confident, well rounded, educated school graduate for today's world.
Oh well!
I thought Diana had a whole thread to herself called "East coast Happening". So why is she on this thread????
Quote from: Maude on July 10, 2013, 07:22:50 PM
I thought Diana had a whole thread to herself called "East coast Happening". So why is she on this thread????
Psychopathology?
Quote from: ROSS on July 10, 2013, 06:16:41 PM
Oh well!
And it all sounds a lot like Charlie Brown's teacher in the cartoons..... whah whah whah, whah whah, whah whah whah whah whah. LOL
Nobody named Diana on here.
My name is Diane and the comments were on the difference between regular white boards which are inexpensive and smart boards which are very pricey. Since Ross cares about how your money is spent there, not here, I thought he'd want to know. Apparently self proclaimed hicks aren't interested. Had nothing to do with the east coast. Nobody made you read any of it! :P
You know what I'd like to see is a positive change of attitude with the West Elk School Board of Education and a shift away from the negative attitudes of progressiveness and socialism..
A positive change of attitude away from the greedy, spendy and wasteful spending attitude of progressiveness. You know the want and desire to build an Empire, to build a Taj Mahal.
A positive change of attitude away from a socialism attitude. You know the negative attitude that there is public money and more public money we can tax the people for to build our Empire and our Taj Mahal.
I believe it is these negative attitudes that caused our countries present financial problems. These attitudes were prevalent in both the wealthy and the poor. Give me, give me, Take, Take, Take.
Where as a conservative school board with a good positive attitude and critical thinking and problem solving abilities can find solutions to problems without wasting thousands and tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars and a perfectly good and available grade school.
Let me underline some of that:
conservative school board with a good positive attitudecritical thinkingproblem solving abilities
I hope we can see some positive changes in the school board utilizing what they claim they wish to have taught to the students at West Elk:
CRITICAL THINKING
Forget the idea of a unified school board --- you are not there to follow the lead of one person but to challenge ideas and offer better ideas through critical thinking. To be a unified board simply means you are there to add to the problems by kissing someone's ass. No that is not why you are there. Personally I have never in my life been know as a kiss ass on the job or not even with close friends or family. And proud of it.
It is either that or just continue to raise property taxes and effectively force people to move out of Elk County.
Remember the recent County Public Auction to sell properties to recoup losses from County property taxes?
Is this the path the West Elk School Board wishes to continue down?
Provide some critical thinking to that situation.
People would rather let their properties go than pay the taxes on it. Why?
Quote from: ROSS on July 10, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Lets look at another aspect of this LONG-TERM EDUCATIONAL PLAN WEST ELK U.S.D. 282 starting with the School Board of Education it's self and Dr. Christman.
I am going to add my remarks in blue.
I tried to keep everything original but scanning the document into word is not perfect, so if you find an error, I apologize for that.
Only a few people have actually looked at the documentation I provided from the school, so I though I would share a few excerpts in hope to peak your interest. After all it is your tax dollars that pay for all these studies and it may be your property taxes that get increased to build a Taj Mahal. Everyone wants a new gym and others want to build a Community Storm Shelter for Howard at the expense of people across Elk County. If you live in Moline do you want to pay for a Community Storm Shelter for Howard? Moving on!
Group: Classified
1. Positions are not classified the same-pay not equal for equal jobs and benefits not available to all.
2. Money
3. Community involvement. Perception and lack of knowledge about current situation.
What is wrong with that massive and expensive high tech computer system. Does the school know how to use the system productively, to inform the public. Where is the full School Board Agenda with the attachments posted on the School Web site?4. Improve communications to communities.
First they need to learn to be open and honest don't they. Fer instance posting the studies they have had and allowed to be performed. And how about some honesty about the contract with Heckman and Associates Report-Master Planning Facility Qustionaire. What exactly are they hiding from the public and the taxpayers? We had $19000.00 hard earned taxpayer dollars wasted by the West Elk School Board in acquiring it and being it is public information we have a right to see it. 5. Some community members not supportive for the sake of being negative-in some case bullying tactics being used.
First off this whole statement is nothing but one big negative attitude. And is of and by itself a form of bullying.
In statement No. 4 you say you want Improved communications to communities. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean Shut up if you don't agree with us?
Good job communicating on your part, Not!
How exactly do you define bullying?
Is telling the truth bullying?
Is asking questions considered bullying?
Is asking you to explain your self considered bullying?
Who exactly is doing the bullying
How do you define communicating? 6. Community should understand it will benefit kids.
The community does understand that an education is very beneficial to each and
every child..
Is this statement considered communicating?
What exactly will benefit the kids?
Are you talking about raising the teaching standards?
Are you talking about a better education?
Are you talking about a new basketball court?
7. Community vs. communities ' issues-each is unique.
Does this mean the City of Howards attitude and desire to benefit from a
school district out side of their City limits should be questioned?
After all only the City of Howard has stolen the Award signs on the highway from West Elk. Look closely the signs say West Elk Boys, not Howard Boys!
Perhaps a little respect for West Elk would be a great start. Have the signs placed by West Elk one on the south side and one on the north side of West Elk and give credit where credit is due. Show some honesty, try to get it right! 8. Location- nothing to hold our families.
9. Housing is more affordable, but limited income.
10. Lack of parental involvement.
Would the schools attitude have anything to do with that?
Would parents perhaps having to drive long distances to and from work
have anything to do with that?II. Not a good vehicle for communication between school and community .
What? With all those thousands of dollars worth of high tech devices.
The kids use it don't they? They have a web site, right?
A school web site on taxpayer purchased equipment. Don't the adults
Comprehend the significance of high tech in the 21st century. Don't they
understand the use of cameras and microphones and video to
communicate over the internet, how about live streaming? 12. School board members presence in the building to gain knowledge of actual situation in school.
Yer right here with that statement, they didn't appear to realize that is part
of their responsibility. . 1 board member assigned to 1 area.
Now that's a bad idea, that would be limiting their responsibility.
They were not voted in office to be placed in a limiting capacity now were they?Quote from: ROSS on July 10, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Until next time. Just food for thought. Opinions and facts that's all.
What are your thoughts and opinions? Is the School Board discussing these studies and using critical thinking to find solutions?
I've noticed a few more people are checking out the documents I posted at
https://www.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp I sure hope it isn't just to make sure I'm telling the truth.
However that would be okay too! I hope it's because of an interest in what is happening with Sports, ER pardon me Construction, really, I mean about Education. And let's not forget how your tax dollars are being wasted.
I wonder how many school board members are Elk Konnected, does anyone know?
The reason, I ask is because of the track record of the Ex-County Commissioner who came up with that privately owned organization, while she was serving as County Commissioner!
It appears to me that the School Board who's ex-School Board President is following along the same lines and I personally haven't seen any accomplishment or goal's being met, by either organization! I wonder why that is?
Oh well, I guess I'll just continue to wonder!
But does anyone know is there a Konnection?
I hope everyone has a great weekend?
"Organizing Resistance to Teach for America and its Role in Privatization,"
How's this for an amazing coincidence, an NGO for teachers or not! They appear to be turning on their own organization. Go figure.
A rather amazing story of utter confusion, IMHO!
And NGO with a round table (don't they all have round tables or circle of chairs) and operating off
OPM (
Other
Peoples
Money), and people are getting fed up with them, the way it sounds to me. They are even fighting amongst themselves. And the
Governor of Minnesota vetoed a
bill granting funding for the NGO, doesn't that speak volumes to you?
Are we required to buy into their bullshit. I know of no such requirement, do you?
It sounds to me like the NGO is positioning people in political positions to meet their own needs. If these people are ever exposed for what they are, I believe their political careers would be over. I'd sure like to think so anyway!
It sure appears to me that NGO's want control unified, centralized or not,
just control. Wether for the best or not.
Perhaps as confusing as all this is, perhaps private school would be the way to go. Who knows? A for profit school, I don't think they would be wasteful with money do you?
http://news.yahoo.com/meet-teach-america-resistance-movement-thats-growing-within-215130284.html
Rulers, Leaders, Elected School Board Members.
To be a good leader a leader must learn to follow.
What this means is it is your money and your tax dollars and you should be concerned
and alert to what is happening in your name.
Nothing more.
Yes Sir!
Ross, you have the American understanding like the founding fathers, not Abe Lincoln. It's no wonder that the Republicans and modern Democrats don't agree with you.
Stay right in there.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 15, 2013, 06:50:20 AM
Yes Sir!
Ross, you have the American understanding like the founding fathers, not Abe Lincoln. It's no wonder that the Republicans and modern Democrats don't agree with you.
Stay right in there.
Well you may be right Redcliff.
However, I simply believe in right and wrong and honesty.
I also believe the taxpayer should be treated respectfully by those they pay and elect to represent them and in their decision making when spending their money.
Errors happen but when they happen at the tune of 19,000 of the taxpayers dollars because of so called unity something is terribly wrong.
That is why there are seven board members so they can cuss a discuss decisions before they are made.
Not everything in this world has a positive slant, it just doesn't work that way.
I believe disagreements should happen more frequently on the school board because, just because on person says something is right doesn't mean it is so. Perhaps with a little dissent and discussion that $19,000 would not have been wasted.
Someone once said if you take to people working together and putting their minds on a problem you in essence create a third mind.
They did not say they had to agree but that discussion was very necessary to reach a satisfactory understanding and reach an excellent decision and goal.
People on a board should not be offended by dissent but welcome it.
Dissent is a sentiment or philosophy of non-agreement or opposition to a
prevailing idea or an entity and opens the door for further discussion. If something can not be justified beyond wanting it for comfort or simply desire ad no proof of actual necessity, then the person wanting it is more than likely unable to justify themselves in writing, or in a discussion and hollers there is a lack of co-operation, or they bad mouth or bully in an attempt to get what they want (or to have others do it for them). Very simple.
We do not elect people to offices so they can operate in such a fashion, IMHO!
I went to the School Superintendent's office today and asked for copies of the questionnaire discussed in the following post that was posted on July 8th and I received a copy and I quote myself:
Quote from: ROSS on July 08, 2013, 09:43:48 PM
And now we follow that up with $19000.00 wasted paying Heckman and Associates for Master Planning only to say good bye to them at the board meeting.
It seems Heckman and Associates sent a 3 or 4 pages of Master Planning Facility Questionnaire. And they were supposed to be present tonight but from what I gathered the School Superintendent told them not to come. They were costing too much. Yea, at $85 an hour and mileage and getting nowhere with them that is very expensive. One of the board members said he was under the understanding that the $19,000 was suppose to see them through to a final plan. The Superintendent said he had issues with the Questionnaire and would not want to provide it to the public, I wonder why? It is public information and the taxpayers have paid for it. Why the secrecy?
When I asked for a copy of what they use to refer to as attachments, I was denied. I was told I would have to ask in advance. I will be checking into this further.
Hackman & Associates told the School Superintendent that the class rooms were luxurious. The Superintendent said he explained to the man when the school was built, it was built to house 600 children and they had 35 kids per room on average.
My previous mention that the school was built has been questioned by a few people and I was not at liberty to disclose the name of the person that told me. But this 600 number was mentioned at tonight's school board meeting by the School Superintendent and therefore public information.
The superintendent told me this morning the same thing he said at the School Board meeting, the questionnaire is to long and the questions to difficult to answer and would take to long to fill out. That just simply mystifies me. Many of the questions are simply yes or no questions. To difficult, really. What if students said that when they took their class room test of their SAT test, would that be cool?
If you were to hire a contractor for a major project wouldn't you answer his questions so he would know exactly what you wanted done? Otherwise, how does he know? How do you know what done, you want done, if you don't ask yourself questions?
I just happen to think the man was trying to be thorough and that would be what I would want out of a contractor wouldn't you?
It appears they don't want a contractor asking too many questions just like they don't want us asking too many questions! I don't believe they want the taxpayers informed about what is happening with the school budget or policy's or planning or they would post it on the School Web Site using all that high tech computer equipment they have.
I have posted the Heckman & Associates Report-Master Planning Facility Questionnaire using nothing more than a laptop. Couldn't the School Board do a better job with all that high tech they have?
My real question is what is really going on with the school board?
Where are all these ideas really coming from?
I've posted the document at https://app.box.com/files n PDF form.
And in the words of the School superintendent you decide for your self if the questions are too many, to difficult or will take too much time to answer. Is it to much to ask of all those college educated folks?
Project 17
Mr. Editor how many NGO's does one county need?
Really another NGO – Non Governmental Organization
On the Front page of the local newspaper with colored picture and everything.
But where is the meat in the story?
They received a Million Dollar grant of OPM (Other Peoples Money) taxpayers dollars to create a greater understanding of the regions strengths and challenges in March of 2012.
Really? What the heck does that mean? Where are the results?
A Million Dollars and where is the data? What do they understand after a year?
How was the money spent, used? What has a Million Dollars bought?
Where are the results? Who is profiting from all that money?
And another $151,000 OPM (Other Peoples Money) from USDA Rural Development?
Where is the Rural Development? What does that mean?
Who are the 17 Communities?
Where is the story?
Is the story simply about 1,151,000.00 dollars of OPM (Other Peoples Money) taxpayers dollars, being wasted?
The paper said, Liz Hendricks the President of Public Squares Communities, INC. of Howard, Kansas was there. Where is that quality of life her organization Elk Konnected, LLC talks about?
What's the story on Elk Konnected, LLC's day care center they touted so much? I have had people ask me about the day care center and I can't tell them anything? How about some real news with some real answers? Perhaps some real investigative reporting, how about that? How about informing the readers what is really going on, is that a possibility?
Skip the fluff or at least report some real information with the fluff?
Mr. Editor how many NGO's does one county need?
Isn't it all just politics anyway? Weren't Kansas politicians involved in this NGO?
Are politicians still involved in this Project 17 NGO? Isn't this just another means of funneling millions of OPM (Other Peoples Money), taxpayers dollars down a path of waste? If not where does the common person in Elk County benefit from all these tax payers dollars?
Mr. Editor how many NGO's does one county need?
I find these stories like this amazing lacking in anything of real value to the reader, but that's just my opinion?
What good has ever come out of these NGO's, please inform us?
Where is the economic growth?
Where is the greater quality of life?
Don't show me lollipops and expect me to buy it, show me some beef.
You notice after years of Global Warming it is now called Climate Change, just word games --- no beef!
A little more on Project 17
A fancy web site, that in my opinion says absolutely nothing about any progress.
Everything in blue is either my remarks, questions and opinions and nothing more. The rest is from their web site.
Their web site is at: http://twsproject17.org/category/news/
The newspaper said 17 COMMUNITIES; the organization says 17 COUNTIES, big difference Mr. Editor.Seventeen Southeast Kansas Counties will be served through the project – Allen, Anderson, Bourbon, Chautauqua, Cherokee, Coffey, Crawford, Elk, Franklin, Greenwood, Labette, Linn, Miami, Montgomery, Neosho, Wilson, and Woodson.
Project 17 was one of 13 national awardees to receive a Rural Jobs and Innovation Accelerator Challenge grant and will receive a $715,000 grant to help revitalize the manufacturing industry in Southeast Kansas to promote economic opportunities.
Project 17 will receive a $215,000 grant from USDA Rural Development and $500,000 from the Economic Development Administration (EDA) to help promote job creation, accelerate innovation and provide assistance to entrepreneurs and businesses.
The Kansas Entrepreneurial Communities Initiative (KECI), supported by Fort Hays State University through the Kansas Small Business Development Center, is a collaborative partnership of non-profit organizations that are focused on accelerating quality economic development in regions throughout the state. The initiative received a $151,000 RBEG grant to help existing entrepreneurs expand by developing additional markets for selling their products and supporting aging entrepreneurs with transitioning their businesses to the next generation of entrepreneurs. Counties involved in the KECI initiative are: Allen, Anderson, Cheyenne (Bird City), Chautauqua, Dickinson, Elk, Greenwood, Labette, Linn, Marion (Hillsboro), Montgomery, Rawlins, Scott, Stafford, Thomas, and Wichita.
The Southeast Kansas Project 17 Initiative is receiving technical assistance from Kansas State University's Advanced Manufacturing Institute, who will be researching niche opportunities for emerging manufacturing opportunities in southeast Kansas. The initiative received a $95,000 RBEG grant to work with a coalition of regional, state and national partners to develop a strategy that leverages advanced manufacturing technologies, the region's assets, idle facilities, technical workforce and educational institutions to coordinate a network-based approach to identify new opportunities for the region's manufacturing sector.
Monthly Archives: March 2013
Project 17 Proposal Summary
By Adam Setter | Published March 11, 2013
This RJIAC Proposal Summary describes the overall aim, goals, and activities of the 17 county regional economic development project in Southeast Kansas known as Project 17.
Just were or what Is the progress?
What has been accomplished?
Where is the growth?
Where are the manufacturing jobs in Elk County? Where is the Elk County Industrial Park?
Who are the people receiving a large income's from all the OPM/Taxpayers dollars?
My bet is they wouldn't work for less than maybe $120.00 an hour, what do you think?
You do notice they never mention where the dollars originate from do they?
Is the money originating from State Income Tax?
Is the money originating from Federal Income Tax?
Is the money originating from Stimulus Money (which is yet another form of taxation?Partners
By Adam Setter | Published January 10, 2013
SEK,Inc
SEKRPC-SoutheastKansasRegionalPlanningCommission
SoutheastKansasProsperityFoundation
KansasLeadershipCenter\(KLC)
AdvancedManufacturingInstitute(AMI)
USDA-RuralDevelopment
U.S.EconomicDevelopmentAdministration(EDA)
KansasEntrepreneurialCommunityInitiatives(KECI)
KansasDepartmentofCommerce
GreatPlainsDevelopmentAuthority
ThriveAllenCounty
CityofPittsburgEconomicDevelopment
PittsburgChamberofCommerce
CityofParsonsEconomicDevelopment
MiamiCountyEconomicDevelopment
CoffeyvilleChamberofCommerce
FranklinCountyEconomicDevelopment
CityofFortScott
City of Chanute Economic Development
There just doesn't appear to be anything coming out of this for anybody, especially the unemployed or underemployed, does there?
So how long do they continue to suckle at the teat?
How many more NGO's across the country are doing the same thing?
How long can the taxpayer afford all of this before a major financial collapse occurs because of it?
How much money can they spend and not accomplish anything?
What in the world is really going on?
It reminds me of the story I read today about a lady stealing $3 million from her employer the IRS and getting away with it, until she bragged about it on her Facebook page. Now she is doing 21 years in the lock up. Who was asleep at the wheel?
Oh wait a minute, they don't micro-manage do they?
How long do we stay asleep at the wheel?
Oh it's just money they would be wasted somewhere else, so it's okay, right?
Something to think about, that's all, nothing more.
It's just taxpayers money, right?
Why can't they operate like any other business? Oh other business operate on taxpayer dollars too, don't they, while making millions in profit from the
consumer/taxpayer, right?
Don't donors care about keeping the University running smoothly with their tax deductible donations?
Don't those same donors care about education or is it just about sports and new score boards?
How lame and selfish is that?
In my personal opinion if the University had any morale's and back bone, I'd think they would say donate and help, but let us use the money where needed or keep your tax deductible dollar and pay tax on it and you can't have our recognition for that donation.
Don't we have some of the same attitude going on right here in Elk County?
Tax, tax, tax the taxpayer!!!
Build, build more buildings when they have a building designed to hold 600 children and only have 300 children.
Build community STORM SHELTER on school grounds for Howard when Howard has churches and buildings that are already in use as storm shelters in the community and not outside of the city limits. Where is the sense? Where is the critical thinking.
What part does Elk Konnected, LLC and the "old Guard play in all this?
They close grade schools and force children into portable trailers and throw away $19,000 dollars on a contractor for what?
I guess for the purpose of unity within the school board, what do you think?
Did you know the School Board can raise you property taxes 4 mil without asking you, without a vote.
Isn't it I want, I want, I want, but I want to use your money?
What ever happened to need vs. want?
Read the article below:
University fundraising outpaces Kansas budget cuts
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE — Since the end of the Kansas legislative session nearly two months ago, much has been said on both sides about the state's reduction in spending at higher education institutions, chief among them being the University of Kansas.
But amid an atmosphere of austerity wherein KU stands to lose $13.5 million in state funds over the next two years, little has been said about the fact that the university's endowment raised 3,100 percent more than that amount in the last three years alone.
And they won an award for it, too.
Standing next to the $432 million the Kansas University Endowment Association has received in donations since 2010, cuts implemented by state lawmakers seem like small potatoes. Yet because of those rollbacks, university officials have said the institution will need to reduce staff and increase tuition – even decrease the number of students admitted to some programs at KU Medical Center.
But Jack Martin, KU's director of strategic communications, said it's not a simple matter of replacing state dollars with private donations. For one, he said, private monies usually come with strings attached.
Funds are often earmarked for a specific purpose, such as replacing athletic equipment or establishing a scholarship fund. In long-term cases the money is invested, and the university uses the resulting interest to fund a given initiative.
Be that as it may, KU still has a thriving endowment operation, and they've got the money and awards to prove it. So why not solicit university benefactors to make up the shortfall in state funding rather than pass the cost – and the cuts – on to students and staff?
Martin says donors want to pay for progress, not upkeep. In other words, it's sexier to sponsor a new scholarship or a scoreboard than to make sure the university's heating and cooling units are up to snuff.
"It's not the case where many donors are going to give to keep the lights on or pave the street. They want to give for scholarships or pay for research projects. It's not the case where they can take donations and replace state funding of the basic operation of the university," Martin said. "I think that's a tough sell. What donors are looking for is to improve the university, not just help it stand still and make up for state cuts."
According to the KU Endowment's 2011 form 990 (the most recent available), the non-profit maintains assets in excess of $1.44 billion, with just over $106 million in liabilities.
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Todays Newspaper Front Page
Busy Bee to Host open house
At the FORMER SCHOOL in MOLINE.
Tuesday, July 30.
4:30 to 6:30 PM.
Currently accepting applications for new children, it says.
How's this for some free advertisement for them?
No mention of any Konnection, I wonder why?
What has happened to Elk Konnected, LLC anyway?
We never read about them any longer?
Will they be providing an inflatable wet slipper slide or a mechanical bull ride at the Longton Free Fair this year?
Will they be involved in the community?
I can hardly wait to find out.
I wanted to make sure everyone got to see this compliment I just received on another thread so I'm moving it over here along with my response.
Quote from: Oldtimer on July 25, 2013, 11:06:29 AM
You are the DISKONNECTED one, most people I talk to refer to you as Elk DisKonnected. The Forum went downhill when you and Patriot came on.
My response:
Quote from: ROSS on July 25, 2013, 01:15:18 PM
I don't know what brought that on from you, but thanks.
What a great compliment it is to be called DisKonnected, I sincerely appreciate that, thank you.
Just what does it mean to you to be Konnected? Konnected to what?
Or are you ashamed to say?
It seems to me that anything Konnected with Konnected has failed.
That is why I accept your compliment of being DisKonnected
Most people you talk two would be who? A couple of your relatives that are perhaps Konnected to the failures?
Who?
Tell them, I said thanks for the compliment and you have a great day, okay.
Sincerely,
DisKonnected Ross
Oh by the way Oldtimer what have you added to the forum?
Well Oldtimer, we are all waiting to hear your response to the questions,
"Just what does it mean to you to be Konnected? Konnected to what?"
"Or are you ashamed to say?"
Are you left speechless?
Are the questions too hard to answer?
Do they leave your thinking discombuberated?
Let us hear from you with some honesty and no bullying, please?
Oldtimer or Frank haven't you got anything good to say about being konnected?
Seriously we would like to hear it!
What are the benefits?
Damn! This is getting old! Teresa and/or Kjell, where are you?
Well , it seems to be a way of landing a job without having to compete for it. At least I never saw the job in the city office advertised to the general public. Maybe I missed that notification.
Yes , Marcia, it is getting old. And that is what those who want to run things with impunity want. That is what has brought about the apathy those vultures rely on. We have good public servants, some though, are in it for themselves. Same all over the world.
Ross only provides factual information, if you think not , dispute it. Many people here that don't belong to the chosen, want to know what goes on when nobody is watching.
Bullwinkle they just want to shut up anyone that asks legitimate questions.
They are fearful of being exposed or something, IDK.
No honest answers just shut up, that's all ?
Marcia can you tell us anything at all, perhaps answer what was asked of Oldtimer?
Am I right tis better to be disKonnected as Oldtimer said I am?
And if not why?
Thank you!
Quote from: Marcia Moore on July 26, 2013, 08:19:57 PM
Damn! This is getting old! Teresa and/or Kjell, where are you?
Marcia,
Why do you want to bother Teresa and/or Kjell?
They have already provided you a way to fix this for your self.
Every e-mail you receive gives you the option to unsubscribe to a thread.
The option for this thread is:
Unsubscribe to this topic by clicking here: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=notify;topic=11780.0
It is in your e-mail click it and then you won't be bothered. Or you could possibly copy and paste the URL in your browser.
Pretty Simple isn't it.
Or is it really --- just Shut Up Ross?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 26, 2013, 08:29:58 PM
Many people here that don't belong to the chosen, want to know what goes on when nobody is watching.
Yes, and that fact is galling to progressive elitists who believe they can create some utopian society or who believe that because of their wealth, education or position they are the 'betters' in society.
Quote from: ROSS on July 26, 2013, 09:03:44 PM
Bullwinkle they just want to shut up anyone that asks legitimate questions.
And some of them have been overheard saying exactly that. Occasionally by members of their own clique who have enough character & good moral fiber to know such an attitude is wrongheaded and who have been willing to say so.
You boys probably already know that the progressives/socialists do not like what you post.
It seems that every now and then, one of 'em will certainly let you know that.
Bullwinkle, Patriot and Ross: Stay right in there.
You know what Bullwinkle, I took a tour on some of the different threads and did not see the city office job adveritised on the forum. There is a place for that informat so I am not sure why it was not used.
You're absolutely right, Maude. I would think a free vehicle for advertising would be used by the cities, or county. I know Batson's and Connie let people know about being closed or other pertinent information, as well as a few other organizations.
As to the elite and their thinking. I have watched many an old western in which the plot was based on some owner of a mining operation or a cattle baron claimed, " This is MY town, I built this town, it wouldn't exist with out me".
Seems it went on then, and is still going on in some peoples minds.
Were you aware that Welcome to
West Elk Public Schools are located in Howard, Kansas. - See more at: http://westelk.us/#sthash.3mwYWoiz.dpuf
Just where with in the city limits is West Elk Public Schools located in Howard, Kansas ?
Who is responsible for monitoring the West Elk School District Web Site?
If they are incapable of seeing that this simple lie is discontinued how can they be trusted to monitor anything else on the web site?
What the heck is the WEST ELK SITE COUNCIL and who authorized its formation and who authorized its use of the School districts resources?
http://www.westelk.us/site-council/site-council-minutes/
You might find their post of their meetings interesting @ http://www.westelk.us/site-council/site-council-minutes/
This appears to me to be a new organization, which has only posted minutes for February and March of this year?
What is their purpose?
What is their mission?
What is really going on?
From reading their minutes it sounds like a special interest group and a Political Action Committee can anyone clarify what it is and who authorized it?
A little further digging into their minutes and I found the following:
Members present: Paula McAlister, Chris Haag, Kevin Weber, Juli Young, Julie Perkins, Kate Perkins, Thad Triboulet, Kay Kelly, Ian Denton, Dana Mills, Gina Wilson
Ian Denton will be the site council's representative, and will provide the May report for the school board. The site council discussed items that should be presented to the school board at the May meeting. These items included how the site council was formed and what our main focus has been this school year.
Who authorized such a monstrosity?
We have a Elected School Board Officials whose job is to work for the citizens who elected them. If they are incapable of doing their job and sanctioned this political group to function on school property isn't it time for some resignations?
Citizens need to get more involved before their property taxes sky rocket. Later after the fact will be too late.
Organization after organizations are being made in Elk County and I see no reason except an attempt to control instead of utilizing the available governing bodies as they are intended. They apparently don't like the system and are attempting to circumvent the system, IMHO!
Correct me if I am wrong, PLEASE!
Quote from: ROSS on July 27, 2013, 09:03:34 AM
Were you aware that Welcome to
West Elk Public Schools are located in Howard, Kansas. - See more at: http://westelk.us/#sthash.3mwYWoiz.dpuf
Just where with in the city limits is West Elk Public Schools located in Howard, Kansas ?
Is this the justification for the questions I asked at an earlier date that I received no answers for?
I quote myself:
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2013, 08:16:38 AM
A few more question at this time Mr. Durbin since you appear to be a Howard Booster.
Why do you suppose Howard continues to steal the glory from West Elk about the Boy Track team win in 2008?
Those signs don't truly belong at the Howard City limits, Howard did not earn that accomplishment did they?
Those signs technically belong on each side of West Elk, the school that earned them, don't you think?
The West Elk School is not in the Howard City limits is it?
Or do I have the facts wrong?
Did Howard eventually follow through on moving their city limits?
If they did why isn't the city limit sign south of the West Elk School Grounds?
Can you show me the honesty in all this?
Facts please.
Thank You while we wait for the facts.
Where is the honesty and integrity in Howard and West Elk School District ?
Honestly, Who actually causes the conflicts in Elk County?
Honestly, Who can actually see what the real problems are?
I felt compelled to post the minutes of the West Elk Site Council for two reasons:
• One in case they decide to delete them from the School Web Site
• Two for people that may not have PDF capabilities on their computer tablets
WEST ELK SITE COUNCIL
West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Monday, February 4, 2013
Meeting minutes
Members present: Juli Young, Principal, Bert Moore, Superintendent, Mary Mericle, Thad Triboulet, Kate Perkins, Kevin Weber, Chris Haag, Paula McAlister, Ian Denton, Julie Perkins, Teresa Usry, Jackie Gragg, Kay Kelly, Tina Jackson, Gina Wilson.
The meeting was called to order by Juli Young at 6:30 p.m., Monday, February 4, 2013.
First matter on the agenda was election of officers. Mary Mericle moved for the following as a slate of officers: President - Ian Denton, Vice President - Julie Perkins, Secretary - Gina Wilson. Motion passed.
Second item on agenda was Spotlight. Both Chris Haag and Kevin Weber brought items to share with thecouncil.
Chris Haag shared the Backpack Program that will be implemented at West Elk PreK- 12th grades. This is a program designed to battle chronic hunger. Nonperishable food items will be sent home over the weekend for children deemed in need. Right now, there are twenty-one students that will be participating in this program. Numbers can be adjusted as needed throughout the year. Julie Perkins asked about a list of items that could be donated as she has had people in the community that would like to help donate food items. Tina Jackson volunteered to help with preparing the backpacks for students. Bert Moore expressed a desire to look into extending this throughout the summer with help from the community.
The council made their way to the woods shop for a presentation by Kevin Weber. He provided the councilwith a tour of the shop and his classroom. He informed the council about the junior high and high school classes which include basic to advanced woods courses as well as three levels of drafting classes. On average his classes have an enrollment of ten students. Some council members showed concern over the age of some of the equipment used in the shop and the safety issues involved with using the older equipment. A few machines date back to possibly the 1950's. Kevin highlighted a new computerized wood carving machine that the students have been using. When programmed the machine can carve a variety of designs ranging from letters to detailed pictures. Ian Denton asked if Mr. Weber had a budget to work with for purchasing and updating equipment. Kevin stated that his courses are funded partially with Federal money.
The site council returned to the library to continue the meeting.
Next item on agenda regarded school safety. Juli Young provided the council with information regarding school safety. She has been researching information on how to update West Elk's Crisis Plan. There is major concern regarding the safety of our students should a crisis occur. The West Elk campus could be vulnerable to any type of threat. The way the building is constructed with several entry ways, large windows, and disconnected modular buildings makes it difficult to oversee and communicate any threat. Juli has looked into the possibility of hiring a School Resource Officer. She feels the yearly salary would be approximately $32,000 including benefits. Ian Denton asked if the county could share with that expense. Juli stated if that were the case, then our district would have to share the officer with the county's other school district as well as with the county itself. This would not guarantee that an officer would be on campus should a threat arise. She has looked into a program in which the campus would hire its own officer therefore ensuring an officer would always be present during school days as well as school activities. She is in the process right now of detailing the cost and job description to present to the school board. Tina Jackson expressed strong support of this idea. Thad Triboulet asked about a time line to hire an SRO if the school board were to approve the position. It was stated by Juli that if the board were to approve it, the school would begin looking to fill it immediately.
Thad Triboulet and Tina Jackson expressed concern regarding Crisis Management plan. They would like to see a plan developed on paper along with monthly crisis drills practiced by students and staff. Juli stated that she would bring West Elk's Crisis Management Plan to the March meeting.
Juli shared other ideas regarding school safety such as electronic door locks for all entry doors, panic buttons that are a direct link to the sheriff's office, and classroom door locks.
Ian Denton stated that the school district needs to effectively communicate with the community. Bert Moore agreed, sharing that the West Elk web site is currently under construction and will feature links that will possibly contain communication from the board as well as from the superintendent. Bert suggested that the site councilcould also be that link to get reliable information out to the community.
Next meeting will be held in March and Ian Denton will contact members via e-mail with regards to the date and time. Some items to be discussed at March's meeting include a clear vision and plan for the site council, continuation of the discussion of school safety, and a report of the school board meeting.
WEST ELK SITE COUNCIL
West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Monday, March 7, 2013
Meeting Minutes
Members present: Tina Jackson, Kevin Weber, Chris Haag, Juli Young, Mary Mericle, Paula McAlister, Kate Perkins, Ian Denton, Julie Perkins, Stephanie Goff, Thad Triboulet
The meeting of the West Elk Site Council was called to order by President Ian Denton at 6:30 p.m. Ian began the meeting with a discussion about the purpose and vision of the site council. Juli Young presented a handout with information regarding what the purpose of a site council is, and the role a site council has in the educational community. Ian and the council felt this handout was quite helpful in clarifying the site council's purpose and role.
Ian Denton asked Juli Young if she could provide information regarding the February school board meeting. Juli stated that there were three architectural firms present that provided information on how they could help the board with any future endeavors that the board might pursue. These future plans might include items such as roof repair, air conditioning units replaced, ways to become more efficient, etc.
Juli Young also reported that she presented several school safety options that she had previously discussed with the site council. These items included hiring a School Resource Officer, automatic locks on doors, and panic buttons. The board put the SRO to a vote, which failed 3-4. She stated that no action was taken on either the automatic locks or the panic buttons.
Many members of the Site Council voiced their concern as to why the school board is reluctant to pursue school safety issues. The consensus of the site council was that our school campus is vulnerable to issues regarding the safety of West Elk students, whether it be a threat from an outside source, or an issue with custody disagreements among non-custodial parents. Thad Triboulet voiced a concern about the school's liability if students were subjected to a dangerous situation on the school campus.
The Site Council would like to get opinions from the community pertaining to school safety. The council would also like to see an on-going conversation with the school board regarding the safety of our campus.
Paula McAlister requested copies of the Site Council minutes to provide to the school board. Gina Wilson will send these to Paula.
The Site Council members were offered Crisis Management notebooks and a universal procedure handout to prepare thought for future school safety conversations.
Chris Haag reported that the food backpack program is going very well. Mary Mericle also provided positive feedback regarding the backpack program.
The next meeting will be March 28th, at 6:30 p.m.
Meeting concluded at 7:45 p.m.
WEST ELK SITE COUNCIL
West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Thursday, March 28, 2013
Meeting Minutes
Members present: Paula McAlister, Chris Haag, Kevin Weber, Juli Young, Julie Perkins, Kate Perkins, Thad Triboulet, Kay Kelly, Ian Denton, Dana Mills, Gina Wilson
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m. February 28th.
Ian asked Juli Young for a report on the February Board meeting. Juli reported that she feels as if the school board is concerned with school safety. The board wants to ensure that whatever decisions are made regarding school safety will mesh with future plans for the West Elk campus.
Juli shared with the council that the school board has invited Heckman and Associates back in April to discuss ideas for the school campus. Safety, efficiency, space, and the roof of the main building are among these ideas.
Juli also reported that the board has set three main goals; facilities, kids first (curriculum), and teacher retention. School safety would be addressed in the facilities part of the goals.
Ian asked how the site council could help support the idea of promoting school safety. Juli's response was that Bert would like the site council to give a year-end report in May. This would be a good opportunity for the council to address their concerns regarding school safety.
Ian Denton will be the site council's representative, and will provide the May report for the school board. The site council discussed items that should be presented to the school board at the May meeting. These items included how the site council was formed and what our main focus has been this school year. The council feels that school safety is our primary concern at this time. We, as a group, feel that our school campus is vulnerable due to the number of entries, the amount of windows, and the modulars. The site council would like to see an electric lock system that was presented to them by Juli Young, implemented in the West Elk campus. It is felt that this system could be adjusted to any future changes that could be made to the campus, while helping to maintain a safe environment in the meantime. Members of the council discussed the possibility of future government mandates regarding school safety, and feel it would be wise to get a jump start on the safety situation.
Other matters discussed by the site council included the possibility of putting up signs on the campus stating that video surveillance is in progress, to deter any possible threats. Also the council has asked Juli Young to check with the Fire Marshall about the gates that surround the modulars and whether crash gates could be used to help prevent the easy access to the modulars.
Next meeting is scheduled for April 17th at 6:30.
Isn't this the reason we Elect a School Board of Education?
What is really going on?
Isn't this just another NGO?
So why are they using taxpayers resources?
Are they paying $.25 per page of the handouts?
If one makes comparisons of this new Site Council to the Elk Konnected encroachments into county operations that began in about 2007, this looks much the same only with 'open to the public' meetings. Making observations, creating suggestions, & acting as an 'advisory' group to elected officials. In terms of members, it also looks like a subset of the Konnected Klass. We'll see.
What ever happened to the PTA?
Quote from: Patriot on July 27, 2013, 11:53:34 AM
If one makes comparisons of this new Site Council to the Elk Konnected encroachments into county operations that began in about 2007, this looks much the same only with 'open to the public' meetings. Making observations, creating suggestions, & acting as an 'advisory' group to elected officials. In terms of members, it also looks like a subset of the Konnected Klass. We'll see.
What ever happened to the PTA?
Those are my exact sentiments!
But who can authorize such activity on taxpayer property?
All I see is an NGO and they have no legal right to meet on School Property nor do they have any right to use school property, such as paper and printers and increase the electric bill at the taxpayers expense.
Isn't this the same thinking Elk Konnected, LLC had and did with the county property until called on the carpet.
Isn't it time for the elected officials of the West Elk School District Board to stand up for the majority of the taxpayers and do their job?
Or are they spineless?
Stop the abuses now?
Move the NGO off the taxpayers property, NOW.
Ross have you ever called your school board representative and asked these questions? Thanks Nancy
Quote from: K.R. on July 27, 2013, 03:18:36 PM
The location of the West Elk School and the Howard City limits is only an issue in Mr. Ross's opinion as far as I can tell.
Guess again. The City of Howard seems to think that they can increase their population by building a Taj Mahal of a school. The City of Howard even considered moving their city limits to encompass West Elk. The City of Howard has stolen the Highway signs that should be posted at each end of the West Elk School Boundaries instead of the Howard City limits.
The West Elk long term plan states that a school is important to the development of a community. Worded a little differently.
I hope that clears up that question!
Quote from: K.R. on July 27, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
Ross have you ever called your school board representative and asked these questions? Thanks Nancy
I don't feel we have School Board of Education representative's, I feel they represent a very small group. But just the same I am communicating with each and every board member. There is no doubt in my mind they are each and everyone of them reading this thread.
There has even been a call in their long term plan to unify, I'm sorry but that is not why they are there. Perhaps if a few of them would stand up and ask the hard questions they would not have foolishly spent $19,000 on a contractor only to discontinue his services because of a questionnaire that the Superintendent declared at a board meeting to be to difficult to answer, What do you think about that?
Thanks for asking Nancy.
Quote from: K.R. on July 27, 2013, 02:39:30 PM
Ross have you ever called your school board representative and asked these questions? Thanks Nancy
I respectfully responded to your question, would you answer one for me, please?
Do you know who the most intelligent person sitting at the head table of the West Elk School Board of Education beside the president of the West Elk School Board of Education is? A hint for you, he is not an elected official!
I happen to like him a great deal but still he does not belong on the West Elk School Board of Education.
A simple yes or no would have been appreciated to my question. Your last question is stupid as I happen to think all of the school board members are good, honest, and intelligent. Thanks Nancy
Nancy, I don't know who you are but I like your style and thinking.
Quote from: K.R. on July 27, 2013, 05:33:55 PM
A simple yes or no would have been appreciated to my question. Your last question is stupid as I happen to think all of the school board members are good, honest, and intelligent. Thanks Nancy
How rude. The question was not stupid and was politely asked.
Thank you for for the response even though it was rude.
Frawin it figures you would appreciate the rudeness.
For anyone wishing to know more about school site councils, check out and research K.S.A. 72-6439. That is the state statute that mandated every school to form one. Ross, maybe you'll find all the correct answers to your questions there.
Quote from: ddurbin on July 28, 2013, 10:18:13 AM
For anyone wishing to know more about school site councils, check out and research K.S.A. 72-6439. That is the state statute that mandated every school to form one. Ross, maybe you'll find all the correct answers to your questions there.
Now, finally some helpful information, Thank you Mr. Durbin.
I will study on this information further, but from what I have read the main goal is to improve education in the fundamentals.
"School site councils shall be responsible for
Providing advice and counsel in evaluating state, school district, and
School site performance goals and objectives and in determining the
Methods that should be employed at the school site to meet these goals and
Objectives"
The fundamentals ----- the Core Academic areas of mathematics, science, reading, writing and social studies!
Also it says:
Site councils also
may help school boards analyze
The unique environment of schools,
enhance the efficiency and maximize
Limited resources, including outsourcing arrangements and cooperative
Opportunities as a means to address limited budgets.
That does not say to enhance or squander taxpayer dollars on sports and community shelters does it?
I still have more studying to do on this subject, but thanks again Mr. Durbin for this excellent information.
I wonder how it is we have managed to get by without such a council before this year? Perhaps my study may reveal this to me.
The latest I can find on K.S.A. 72-6439
Session of 2013
HOUSE BILL No. 2289
By Committee on Education
2-11
AN ACT concerning schools; relating to curriculum standards; amending
K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 72-6439 and repealing the existing section.
Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Kansas:
New Section 1. No school district, nor the department of education
Nor the state board of education shall expend any moneys to implement the
Set of educational curriculum standards for grades kindergarten through 12
Established by the common core state standards initiative.
Sec. 2. K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 72-6439 is hereby amended to read as
Follows: 72-6439. (a) In order to accomplish the mission for Kansas
Education, the state board of education shall design and adopt a school
Performance accreditation system based upon improvement in
Performance that reflects high academic standards and is measurable.
(b) (1) The state board shall establish curriculum standards which
Reflect high academic standards for Kansas education in the core academic
Areas of mathematics, science, reading, writing and social studies. The
Curriculum standards shall be reviewed at least every seven years. Nothing
In this subsection shall be construed in any manner so as to impinge upon
Any district's authority to determine its own curriculum.
(2) No curriculum standards under subsection (b)(1) shall include the
Set of educational curriculum standards for grades kindergarten through
12 established by the common core state standards initiative.
(c) The state board shall provide for statewide assessments in the core
Academic areas of mathematics, science, reading, writing and social
Studies. The board shall ensure compatibility between the statewide
Assessments and the curriculum standards established pursuant to
Subsection (b). Such assessments shall be administered at three grade
Levels, as determined by the board. The state board shall determine
Performance levels on the statewide assessments, the achievement of
Which represents high academic standards in the academic area at the
Grade level to which the assessment applies. The state board should specify
High academic standards both for individual performance and school
Performance on the assessments.
(d) Each school in every district shall establish a school site council
Composed of the principal and representatives of teachers and other school
Personnel, parents of pupils attending the school, the business community,
And other community groups. School site councils shall be responsible for
Providing advice and counsel in evaluating state, school district, and
School site performance goals and objectives and in determining the
Methods that should be employed at the school site to meet these goals and
Objectives. Site councils may make recommendations and proposals to the
School board regarding budgetary items and school district matters,
Including but not limited to, identifying and implementing the best
Practices for developing efficient and effective administrative and
Management functions. Site councils also may help school boards analyze
The unique environment of schools, enhance the efficiency and maximize
Limited resources, including outsourcing arrangements and cooperative
Opportunities as a means to address limited budgets.
Sec. 3. K.S.A. 2012 Supp. 72-6439 is hereby repealed.
Sec. 4. This act shall take effect and be in force from and after its
Publication in the statute book.
Ross,
Please clarify a point for me. Are you saying that both the school board AND the site council are guilty of advocating sports and a community storm shelter, or are you only accusing the school board of doing so? I did not see anywhere in the 3 sets of site council minutes you posted that they had had any discussion of sports or a community storm shelter.
Ross under the Kansas Open Meetings Act and a few other state rulings this forum does not qualify for official state, county, and local government statements. That is why they don't and\or can't comment.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on July 28, 2013, 02:59:02 PM
Ross under the Kansas Open Meetings Act and a few other state rulings this forum does not qualify for official state, county, and local government statements. That is why they don't and\or can't comment.
That's fine, I never expected any of them to comment personally.
But I'm sure their friends can.
They claim they want community involvement but have plenty of road blocks to prevent any such thing.
They do hav e the West Elk USD 282 web site that they could use to live stream the board meetings, but do they use all that technology, that the taxpayers pay heavily for?
NO!All I'm trying to do is get people discussing what is going on in our fair county with our property taxes, nothing more.
For instance the waste of $19,000 paid to a contractor for nothing. Trying to put together plans to build a new gymnasium and community storm shelter for Howard. But then quite the firm because they asked questions about what the school board wanted.
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post. I do ask that they discuss and make up their own minds.
But, thank you for the information!
I have also posted documentation for people to read. All they have to do is click on the link in the space below each of my posts.
Here is that link again: For USD 282 Documents Click Link Below
https://www.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp
Quote from: ddurbin on July 28, 2013, 02:55:02 PM
Ross,
Please clarify a point for me. Are you saying that both the school board AND the site council are guilty of advocating sports and a community storm shelter, or are you only accusing the school board of doing so? I did not see anywhere in the 3 sets of site council minutes you posted that they had had any discussion of sports or a community storm shelter.
Quote from: ROSS on July 28, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post. I do ask that they discuss and make up their own minds.
You too are permitted to make up your own mind as to what is happening.
The Site Council has no power, they can only make suggestions to the West Elk School Board of Education.
Any decisions are strictly the responsibility of the West Elk School Board of Education and those duly elected to serve the voters and taxpayers as a whole.
That simply means the West Elk School Board of Education Members can not come back and say, "It was the Site Council's idea."
Pretty simple, isn't it?
Thank you for your inquiry?
Mr. Durbin I will tell you what I think the future might hold for most Elk County taxpayers and what I don't think the West Elk School Board of Education might do, if that will help you.
First, I don't think the West Elk School Board of Education has enough funds to build a new Gymnasium and Community Storm Shelter for Howard, without raising property taxes the 4 mill they discussed at a board meeting and I don't believe even that would be enough to build that new Gymnasium and Community Storm Shelter for Howard.
I do think that the West Elk School Board of Education might try to run another Bond Issue, wasting further taxpayers dollars just to be told no, again.
That's simply my opinion, my personal thoughts.
If Howard wants a Community Storm Shelter other than what is already offered in Howard, I'd suggest they apply for the FEMA funds and build their own with in the city limits so everyone in Howard has access to it.
What are your thoughts?
Especially on a Community Storm Shelter for Howard?
Quote from: ROSS on July 28, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
That's fine, I never expected any of them to comment personally.
But I'm sure their friends can.
They claim they want community involvement but have plenty of road blocks to prevent any such thing.
They do hav e the West Elk USD 282 web site that they could use to live stream the board meetings, but do they use all that technology, that the taxpayers pay heavily for? NO!
All I'm trying to do is get people discussing what is going on in our fair county with our property taxes, nothing more.
For instance the waste of $19,000 paid to a contractor for nothing. Trying to put together plans to build a new gymnasium and community storm shelter for Howard. But then quite the firm because they asked questions about what the school board wanted.
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post. I do ask that they discuss and make up their own minds.
But, thank you for the information!
I have also posted documentation for people to read. All they have to do is click on the link in the space below each of my posts.
Here is that link again: For USD 282 Documents Click Link Below
https://www.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp
Ross, at one point one of your links did not work. But I did follow the new 26 page link above. Thanks for making that info available. I may not agree with you on some things but you did a good job on posting all those documents. Thanks.
Quote from: jacksonpollochjr on July 28, 2013, 05:25:42 PM
Ross, at one point one of your links did not work. But I did follow the new 26 page link above. Thanks for making that info available. I may not agree with you on some things but you did a good job on posting all those documents. Thanks.
Well sir, I thank you for the compliment.
I do not expect anyone to agree with me, so that is quite alright.
Well yur in truble now Ross.
You got the duble dubins on you now.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 28, 2013, 06:53:01 PM
Well yur in truble now Ross.
You got the duble dubins on you now.
ROFLMAO!
We gotta have fun don't we.
I just received this information from a reliable source . but I confirmed it by calling the Montgomery Sheriffs Office.
This is not a joke.
Montgomery County Chronicle
BREAKING NEWS FROM THE MONTGOMERY COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT:
Be on the lookout for a silver Honda Accord. There is a white male and a 19 year old teen from New Mexico. They are going around house to house asking for information about your children for their "child information". The girl has brown hair and carries a black backpack. This is all a scam! They are just wanting information about your children so they can come back for them. They are sex trafficking children. This is happening in Webb City, Joplin, Carterville and all surrounding areas. Do NOT answer the questions they have for you. Immediately call your local police department. Last seen in Elk City, Kan., area on July 28, 2013 and they were in different cities each time.
Quote from: Patriot on July 30, 2013, 09:39:31 AM
It appears that the Elk County Commission is headed for a 2014 budget that will reduce the mill levy by 18+ mills! By making some cuts and applying a portion of the PILOT monies on hand, taxpayers will have to contribute about 14% less to county operations next year. Good job, commissioners. You've made a great start.
Now, can the school boards hold the spending line?
My Response;
Quote from: ROSS on July 30, 2013, 10:46:11 AM
Who are you kidding.
This news about property tax being lowered is probably just the fuel the Board of Education needs.
Can't you hear them, they have the lowest taxes they have had in years, now we can raise school property taxes. Can't you hear it.
Well just take off that tin foil hat.
I don't think they feel they have wasted enough time and money on trying to build a new Gymnasium and Community Storm Shelter for Howard, yet.
How can Howard get on the map if they don't have another Gymnasium for sport practice and win more State Tournaments?
How else can they get State wide recognition? Oh, I have an idea. Focus on education more and sports less, get us a blue ribbon school and not for just one year but every year. Be all you can be, do what you are paid to do educate all the children. Can you Set some real goal for education --- School Board of Education?
They know they can raise our taxes another 4 mil without asking us. And I hear they are trying to get that ceiling (limit) raised.
Perhaps that will be on the ballot this fall and the voters will give them what they want, a free reign.
Just like the last election though, the voters gave them what they wanted. They wanted to reduce the voting districts from 6 to 3 and they got it. I guess the voters didn't realize what the words " it will make it easier to get board members".
Sure it will. Won't it make it easier to get more board members from Howard or the close vicinity. Won't that end up being the centralizing of the school board?
Oh well, as I have suggested before I expect more wasted expense of our taxpayer dollars that are suppose to go to another bond issue this fall. This time for a Gymnasium and Community Storm Shelter for Howard. I think they still want a Taj Mahal for Howard, don't you?
I gotta quote and post this over on the Elk Konnected thread, after all some of the School Board members are still part of that NGO aren't they.
I sure hope the voters don't continue to give in.
WHAT WILL YOUR RESPONSE BE ON VOTING DAY THIS FALL?
No don't tell me let it be a surprise, if it happens?
Raise taxes for sports or hold the line, it will be your choice, IMHO
Will you give in, if it happens?
Today's newspaper would have had a great story on the front page about the Windfarm funded trip to Lawrence and KU. But no, they had to make it sound like our children are depraved of the arts because they live in Elk County.
In my humble opinion that attitude just flat sucks.
The paper makes it sound like Elk County can not operate without Liz Hendricks and her Public Squares Communities, INC or without Jennifer Montgomery as the Elk County Economic Development when really if anything would have had anything to do with the Youth it would have been the Elk County Youth Development, that position was eliminated because it was found that the position of Elk County Youth Development that was suggested by Elk Konnected and voted into approval by two Elk Konnected County Commissioners was a waste of taxpayers money. It was not budget cuts for the reason of eliminating Elk Youth Development and Mrs. Montgomery voluntarily resigned her job as Elk County Economic Development Employee as I understand it. This all took place after the Elk Konnected County Commissioners Liz Hendricks of Elk Konnected was voted out of office and Elk Konnected no longer had the controlling votes of the Elk County Commissioners Board. This was a great accomplishment for Elk County IMHO.
Just what part did Jennifer Montgomery have to do with this trip and of what value is her opinion. After all she resigned her position as Elk County Economic Development and the position I understand is now filled by someone else.
Well, I got news for the newspaper his article is just plain terrible journalism. In my opinion, I believe a high school journalism student could do better or receive a failing grade on such a report. Do we need a newspaper that puts our county down in such a fashion and I don't care what the editor's affiliation is with Elk Konnected, LLC and consequently with Public Squares Communities, INC and Liz Hendricks, it is still piss poor journalism in my opinion.
Elk County through summer school at Elk Valley USD 282 provided exposure to the arts and a lot of children attended the summer school. In fact the summer school was available to a lot more children and a lot more attended the event than attended the trip to Lawrence.
The children also took field trips and visited museums and various other educational places. They also took hike into the woods. They accomplished a considerable amount in a few short weeks. The summer school provided Photography, Clay Building, Cooking, Backpacking, Nature and Science, Ipad Discovery, Art and Dance and perhaps some that I may have over looked.
So Mr. Editor if you are any kind of a man I believe your front page article should be followed up with an apology to each and every citizen of Elk County.
Mr. Editor why write such an inflammatory article that suggest that our children are deprived of the arts.
I will say thank you to Liz Hendricks and Linsey Wiseman for accepting the responsibility as chaperones and accepting an all expense paid trip to KU and Lawrence for doing the job.
But, I do not believe Public Squares, INC who has no involvement or a use to be County Commissioner position should receive any credit for the present day trip. That may be old history, but it takes more than on County commissioner to accomplish anything and the other two County Commissioners were not given any credit --- the bias is unnecessary in my opinion.
I will also say my son enjoyed the trip and thought that Linsey Wiseman was a really nice lady.
The newspaper also listed www/sunflowerpub.com/magazines as the place to read the complete Lawrence Magazine story; this link will take you to a number of magazines.
This link will take you directly to the Lawrence Magazine:
http://issuu.com/sunflower_publishing/docs/lm13su?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Fdark%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true
I wonder just who provided the information to the people responsible for this story?
The Lawrence Magazine say that Jennifer Montgomery the Elk County Economic Development Director believes cuts have made the program even more essential.
So why is Jennifer Montgomery being portrayed as the Elk County Economic Development Director by the Lawrence Magazine. Read it yourself! Is it possibly the doing of Elk Konnected of which she is a member of their Steering Committee?
What is really happening to all us country bumpkins in Elk County? That is what I see us being portrayed as in these articles, don't you?
Where is the prestige and pride for Elk County in such articles and what is the real purpose of these articles?
Is this the way to promote Elk County?
Just asking?
Just my personal opinion, ignore it if you wish.
Now you can let me have it, all you followers, I can take it.
Ross, why do you think the chaperones on the Lawrence trip had an "all expense paid" trip.According to the article in the paper the chaperones were volunteers. Explain please. I know you have a personal thing against Liz, but I wondered if you read a different article than I did..
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2013, 05:52:19 PM
Ross, why do you think the chaperones on the Lawrence trip had an "all expense paid" trip.According to the article in the paper the chaperones were volunteers. Explain please. I know you have a personal thing against Liz, but I wondered if you read a different article than I did..
Do you think they paid for room and board? Really?
No I have no personal thing for or against Liz Hendricks, just politics.
you know what she was nice enough to send me a post card offering to sell my place for me.
How sweet, is that a hint since every one knows this is my retirement home.
Na! Just being sarcastic about your Facebook friend.
Pokie, poke!
How is it that a person that resigned her position as Elk County Economic Development Employee several weeks back can claim to be in that position today and speak on behalf of Elk County in a publication like the Lawrence Magazine?
Wouldn't you call that a bold faced lie on the part of some one.
Could that have been your friend?
Just what was the story suppose to be about?
Was it suppose to be about the kids.
Was it suppose to be about County Commissioner that was voted out of office?
Was it suppose to be about Public Squares Communities?
What a waste of journalism in my opinion!
And what a disgrace to Elk County with the lie in the article in both the magazine and the newspaper in my opinion.
But I guess you condone lying.
So be it.
Teach you really do seem to miss the point.
And prefer point a finger in the wrong direction. Can't tell the difference between politics and personal, I feel so sorry for you and your line of thinking.
Quote from: ROSS on August 01, 2013, 08:54:00 PM
How is it that a person that resigned her position as Elk County Economic Development Employee several weeks back can claim to be in that position today and speak on behalf of Elk County in a publication like the Lawrence Magazine?
Wouldn't you call that a bold faced lie on the part of some one.
Could that have been your friend?
Ross, the article in the summer issue of the Lawrence Magazine was available online on or before May 15, meaning it went to print well before then. And it was written as a follow-up to last years camp, and a preview to this years camp. So no one was lying about what position they were in at the time. If you would just stop jumping to conclusions about everything that comes along, trying your best to paint anything and everything involving Liz and/or Jennifer as evil, maybe more people would take you seriously.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 01, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Ross, the article in the summer issue of the Lawrence Magazine was available online on or before May 15, meaning it went to print well before then. And it was written as a follow-up to last years camp, and a preview to this years camp. So no one was lying about what position they were in at the time. If you would just stop jumping to conclusions about everything that comes along, trying your best to paint anything and everything involving Liz and/or Jennifer as evil, maybe more people would take you seriously.
Well thank your for the I formation. I Wii go back and double check that.
So why list something in the newspaper that is in the past or not available without stating so.
Simply poor journalism or misdirection, which is it, perhaps an error for lack of knowledge of how the magazine works.
So I may have retired, just blame my lack of college papers, but what is the editors excuse?
Just asking, because we rely on the information provided.
Thanks again. I'm on my way back to double check.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 01, 2013, 11:58:43 PMRoss, the article in the summer issue of the Lawrence Magazine was available online on or before May 15, meaning it went to print well before then. And it was written as a follow-up to last years camp, and a preview to this years camp. So no one was lying about what position they were in at the time. If you would just stop jumping to conclusions about everything that comes along, trying your best to paint anything and everything involving Liz and/or Jennifer as evil, maybe more people would take you seriously.
Well flint it looks as if we both are both guilty of jumping to conclusions.
Or were we mislead?
I have never painted either lady red or blue or evil.
It is politcs plain an simple. Only you mentioned EVIL.
So am I to assume that politics is EVIL in your view?
I returned to the magazine but it is not the SUMMER ISSUE written on or before May 15th as you suggest it is clearly marked the the SPRING ISSUE.
THE SUMMER ISSUE apparently is not available yet.
I can admit my error can you?
But still why would the editor mislead us?
Did he use that old story as a reference for his newspaper article instead of talking with the proper people concerning his years event?
Or did he use his last year's story for reference?
What really happened?
Why the reference to Jennifer Montgomery's remarks?
Is that perhaps because she is on the steering committee of Elk Konnected and because he claims affiliation with ELK connected?
And why was it necessary to mention Public Squares Communities, INC.
None of the above Non Governmental Organization's or Jennifer Montgomery had anything to do with the wind farm SUMMER camp for the kids this year to my knowledge.
I thought this was suppose to be all for the kids?
I thought it was suppose to be all about the kids?
Really what is going on here in Elk County?
And why such a terrible article about Elk County?
Just asking?
Just my opinion!
Oh flint two more Questions before I leave!
Why should anyone take me or you seriously?
Don't you believe they are capable of thinking for themselves?
I have every faith in the fact that they can think for themselves.
I only hope that they discuss all this foolishness, that may increase their property taxes via the school board.
Don't ask flint you won't like my response.
TTYL
The article that you linked to is the same article that I read on May 15, and it is the Summer 13 issue, not the Spring 13 issue. Check your glasses.
The Prairie Star made mention of the program being "recently featured in 'Lawrence Magazine'" but the article and the picture that was with it are from this years trip. The paper also is very clear about Jennifer Montgomery being "previously the county's economic development director."
The paper is also very clear regarding Liz Hendricks stating "Hendricks is a former county commissioner who was able to help start the Summer Arts Institute while in office. She now works as a real estate associate and as president of Public Squares, Inc., which serves to encourage local development in rural communities."
Just what in that statement is false?
Quote from: flintauqua on August 02, 2013, 01:00:37 PM
The paper also is very clear about Jennifer Montgomery being "previously the county's economic development director."
The paper is also very clear regarding Liz Hendricks stating "Hendricks is a former county commissioner who was able to help start the Summer Arts Institute while in office. She now works as a real estate associate and as president of Public Squares, Inc., which serves to encourage local development in rural communities."
Just what does any of that have to do with the kids and the Windfarm Summer Camp for the kids especially something like an ex-Elk County Economic Development Employee who resigned her position before the summer camp even took place?
Why is it necessary to muddle up a story about our children with Public Squares Communities, INC. Simply Advertisement and name recognition isn't it?
But I guess all the games played on Elk County Citizens by what I consider a few liberals is okay, m I right?
It is just a bunch of garbage in my personal opinion.
Ross, why did you have to smack me for asking a perfectly good question about the Lawrence trip? You defend your asking questions but I'm not allowed to? There is that double standard again. I am very disappointed .
You couldn't leave me alone? What lie did I condone? What does it have to do with anything anyway? You are all over the place. I went back and reread the newspaper article.
....Elk County budget cuts led to the elimination of its youth development program. "It is now dependent on grants and volunteers, including Elk County chaperones who stayed with the students while in Lawrence." Ross, they stayed in the KU dorms. Why wouldn't I think the adult chaparones paid their own way? If you think chaperoning a bunch of kids on a trip is a vacation to a tropic isle, you've never done it. ;D
If you think the article was so awful, why not write a rebuttal piece. Keep it reasonably short, but speak your mind. There is no point in my writing about how writing is done, but giving a review of general information about well known people is very common in newspaper articles. It helps tie things together.
Now you can demand that an article be written about summer school...and perhaps demand an article about yourself and how you are the self- appointed conscience of Elk County Gov't. :P
Now there you go , Ross You've been given your assignment by the forum self appointed instructor. Remember, keep it short. :P
Bull, you beat me to it.
I'm sure he know why it needs to be short...has nothing to do with me. He wrote a very long piece once before and it was turned down because it was much too long. I think it would have been an interesting read. Perhaps a shorter piece would be accepted. ...or buy space.
That's all you have to say? Ya poked around until you could find something to swat me about? I still want to know what lie I was supposed to have condoned. How about finding that out? Huh? Besides, Ross's son went on that trip Lawrence and I'm sure had a good time. Why bite that hand? CCTP for sure.
Have ya figured out yet what was going on in 2007 that caused my joining of the forum in the first place? One of these days I'll tell it, if ya don't figure it out, but it caused a lot of worry and eventual changes. I can't image why you all would forget.
We even had kids who posted in those days, and read the cute jokes. Wouldn't dare now...not fit. Too many sharp edges IMHO
Kinda off subject, but then not so much.
Oh, a friend showed me a button pin that was cute. it said "I am silently correcting your grammar." ;) Back to work; have a nice day. It's too nice a day to joust with you all. Continue without me.
She failed to communicate, it must be that education as a teacher.
She failed to mention that she thinks I should write the editor.
Well I suspect the editor reads this, so I feel no need to do that.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 03, 2013, 10:26:22 AM
I'm sure he know why it needs to be short...has nothing to do with me. He wrote a very long piece once before and it was turned down because it was much too long. I think it would have been an interesting read. Perhaps a shorter piece would be accepted. ...or buy space.
That's all you have to say? Ya poked around until you could find something to swat me about? I still want to know what lie I was supposed to have condoned. How about finding that out? Huh? Besides, Ross's son went on that trip Lawrence and I'm sure had a good time. Why bite that hand? CCTP for sure.
Have ya figured out yet what was going on in 2007 that caused my joining of the forum in the first place? One of these days I'll tell it, if ya don't figure it out, but it caused a lot of worry and eventual changes. I can't image why you all would forget.
We even had kids who posted in those days, and read the cute jokes. Wouldn't dare now...not fit. Too many sharp edges IMHO
Kinda off subject, but then not so much.
Oh, a friend showed me a button pin that was cute. it said "I am silently correcting your grammar." ;) Back to work; have a nice day. It's too nice a day to joust with you all. Continue without me.
See she still fails to communicate what she is talking about.
Just arrogant ignorance INMH
She is talking about the newspaper I assume.
My word Ross, I know you said you are uneducated, but I really didn't know it was so bad. Go back and slowly reread all of what we said on the last several posts. The whole topic had been about a newspaper article, right? Nobody had substantially changed the subject, right?(I just hit the poke key) You really can't figure out that I was talking about a newspaper piece? No wonder you have a hard time understanding articles! They are written at 6th grade level, as are most magazines, etc. (Some specialty magazines, like Scientific American are written at a much higher level as they assume a limited interest audience.)
I'm sorry. Next time I'll drop my writing down to third grade level and assume very poor comprehension by the readers.
Why admit you couldn't understand what I wrote? Wow, more bully bait. Your posse will love it.
Don't flatter yourself that Rudy reads your posts....not.
I came in for iced tea and this is what I find? Oh goody... such friendly people.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 02, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Ross, why did you have to smack me for asking a perfectly good question about the Lawrence trip? You defend your asking questions but I'm not allowed to? There is that double standard again. I am very disappointed .
You couldn't leave me alone? What lie did I condone? What does it have to do with anything anyway? You are all over the place. I went back and reread the newspaper article.
....Elk County budget cuts led to the elimination of its youth development program.
That's the lie.
Elk Konnected's self proclaimed founder said at an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting when she was still an Elk County Commissioner said,"Elk Konnected suggested to the County Commissioner to hire Jennifer Brummel as the Elk County Economic Development Employee and to make the position Elk County Youth Employee. The then County Commissioner panel that was controlled by two self confessed Elk Konnected Kommissioners voted to do so.
Elk County citizens that tired of the abuses perpetrated against the County complained and complained. The only real fix was to vote out t least one of the two Elk Konnected controlling votes on the Elk County Commissioners Board of three.
Once that was accomplished the Elk Konnected youth Development position was discontinued and it as not due to any budget cuts. The county was receiving nothing from the position. Elk Konnected followers showed up at two County Commissioners meetings trying to pressure the County Commissioners to restart the program. I was quite proud of the non-Elk Konnected county commissioners for standing their ground.
If you were not such a loyal AND blind follower of Elk Konnected you with all your education would ha recognized the lie.
What could have been a feel good story about Elk Konnected was turned into a political story with political lies and advertisement for Public Squares Communities.INC IMO.
You can think and say any thing your little heart leads you to say, and so will I.
But just remember I live here and you live nearly 1500 miles away and are not a citizen of Elk County.
I have been called an outsider because I was not born and raised here, I w born and raised just a short 40 mile away from here, but chose to retire here.
You my dear are much more of an outsider than I am by those 1500 miles and you only know one side of the events around here that are most likely e to you by the Elk Konnected and Public Squares Communities leader and followers.
By th way Diane have they bragged to you chance that they have or want control of the West Elk USD 282?
Your turn now!
Remember just my opinion Don't believe a word of the above statements.
THANK YOU
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 03, 2013, 11:54:09 AM
My word Ross, I know you said you are uneducated, but I really didn't know it was so bad. Go back and slowly reread all of what we said on the last several posts. The whole topic had been about a newspaper article, right? Nobody had substantially changed the subject, right?(I just hit the poke key) You really can't figure out that I was talking about a newspaper piece? No wonder you have a hard time understanding articles! They are written at 6th grade level, as are most magazines, etc. (Some specialty magazines, like Scientific American are written at a much higher level as they assume a limited interest audience.)
I'm sorry. Next time I'll drop my writing down to third grade level and assume very poor comprehension by the readers.
Why admit you couldn't understand what I wrote? Wow, more bully bait. Your posse will love it.
Don't flatter yourself that Rudy reads your posts....not.
I came in for iced tea and this is what I find? Oh goody... such friendly people.
ROFLMAO
My turn? Ok, you make huge assumptions about what I condone and what I don't. You don't know! You twist and try to tie things together that have no relationship to each other, and I must admit you and several others are very good at it.
I'm told by a number of friends not to bother defending myself or trying to straighten it out because my friends see it and get it and I shouldn't worry that anyone of any consequence will think badly of me, because they won't.
The ones who think I'm awful apparantly have their own closed minded problems. Remember, I'm the moderate in the bunch. Even with EK, that means I don't give blind approval of everything they've tried to do. I gather the facts...when I can get facts, not opinions, and decide each issue on its own merits. Why do I bother?...as I've said many times before (why can't you remember these things?) I like Elk County, had family there AND STILL DO and friends other than those on the forum. I don't like being the whipping girl, but I just consider the source and make myself remember the other good people there who never did and don't treat me badly. Now you've made it fashionable to suggest I'm a bad person and everyone should find some reason to beat up on me. I don't condone those who bully me either!
You seem to think reminding me I don't live there will change something. There are also those there who sure hope it doesn't change anything!
Remember, I have one Kansas friend who jokingly called Kansas the poor stepchild of Oklahoma. I still don't know if he meant in terms of money or attitude.
I had lunch and need to get back outside and finish annoying weeds.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 03, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
My turn? Ok, you make huge assumptions about what I condone and what I don't. You don't know! You twist and try to tie things together that have no relationship to each other, and I must admit you and several others are very good at it.
I'm told by a number of friends not to bother defending myself or trying to straighten it out because my friends see it and get it and I shouldn't worry that anyone of any consequence will think badly of me, because they won't.
The ones who think I'm awful apparantly have their own closed minded problems. Remember, I'm the moderate in the bunch. Even with EK, that means I don't give blind approval of everything they've tried to do. I gather the facts...when I can get facts, not opinions, and decide each issue on its own merits. Why do I bother?...as I've said many times before (why can't you remember these things?) I like Elk County, had family there AND STILL DO and friends other than those on the forum. I don't like being the whipping girl, but I just consider the source and make myself remember the other good people there who never did and don't treat me badly. Now you've made it fashionable to suggest I'm a bad person and everyone should find some reason to beat up on me. I don't condone those who bully me either!
You seem to think reminding me I don't live there will change something. There are also those there who sure hope it doesn't change anything!
Remember, I have one Kansas friend who jokingly called Kansas the poor stepchild of Oklahoma. I still don't know if he meant in terms of money or attitude.
I had lunch and need to get back outside and finish annoying weeds.
Diane you know you have called more names and more or less advocated bullying more than anyone else.
And I do not believe I have assumed anything.
I don't know how you get that!
Durn near your whole life story appears to be posted throughout this forum on various threads.
All your expertise, all your whining, all your self pity and all you expert opinion about Elk County where you neither live or vote.
We have heard all about all you imaginary friends and have tired of it.
I don't think badly of you, I feel sorry for you.
Please get a real life in the good old state of Delaware where you live, leave this imaginary life for the real thing.
I think you would be much happier, I know I would be happy for that new experience for you.
You have really worked hard at earning my pity and now I give it to you. I'm sorry for you.
Diane my poor dear lady one more thing.
I think you have been Konnected and dis-Konnected
re-Konnected and dis-Konnected
and totally discombobulated.
I understand how difficult all that could be.
I hope all goes better during the rest of your life in Delaware.
Enjoy the rest of the summer will you.
Teach it has been fun trying to communicate with you.
Bye-bye
Wow..What imaginary friends? Save your pity for someone who needs it. I sure don't. You just don't understand moderates and open friendly visitors.
Yes, I'm still a rather open person, but not as much as when the forum started. The ones who were there then have had to close up, especially those who don't live there anymore or never did. No more photos of origional art work, or new kitchens, or chats about places we've traveled in common. Very few interesting recipes or poems or kid safe jokes. No more fun social conversation with those who enjoy it. Bahh!
Calling names? Insults? Really, REALLY? I can't begin to touch what you...few..thank goodness... do. If I tell you all what I know, you'll find out my friends are far from imaginary and my expertise ,what there is of it is very real. But then again, I don't need to care what you think, now do I? I can support my friends and projects out there without having to vote or have anything to do with you. Why are you wasting time with me, ya gotta enough to work on at home! Trust me, I know. ;)
Ross,
I am reluctant to respond to you because you tend to always feel a need to have the last word in any discussion, but I simply can't ignore your latest example of using the old 'double-standard' on this forum. Since you joined and torked off so many of the existing members, you have mentioned on many occasions how folks were 'trying to shut you up' or were trying 'trying to run you off'. You have even bragged about how tough you are and that no one short of Teresa and/or Kjell could get you to change your ways and your right to say on here WHATEVER you feel. And now here you are, apparentally trying to ask Diane to just disappear off the forum because now you pity her so much. The fact of her living in Delaware seems to be a real bone of contention with you. Well guess what, although I can't say with certainty and this is JUST MY OPINION, there are likely more members of this forum who live outside of Elk County than there are that do reside in the county. I myself am a non-resident of Elk County, but I was raised there and still have a multitude of family and friends there, so I am extremely interested in the goings-on of the area. When I learned of this forum and joined in 2006, I was made to feel very welcomed. From the statements you've made so many times that non-residents or taxpayers should not speak, write or express their opinions on here, I surmise you would prefer I just disappear from the forum as well. AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. That's all I have to say on this for now. I'd say feel free to respond, but I can guarantee you will regardless. You always do.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 03, 2013, 04:41:32 PM
Wow..What imaginary friends? Save your pity for someone who needs it. I sure don't. You just don't understand moderates and open friendly visitors.
Yes, I'm still a rather open person, but not as much as when the forum started. The ones who were there then have had to close up, especially those who don't live there anymore or never did. No more photos of origional art work, or new kitchens, or chats about places we've traveled in common. Very few interesting recipes or poems or kid safe jokes. No more fun social conversation with those who enjoy it. Bahh!
Calling names? Insults? Really, REALLY? I can't begin to touch what you...few..thank goodness... do. If I tell you all what I know, you'll find out my friends are far from imaginary and my expertise ,what there is of it is very real. But then again, I don't need to care what you think, now do I? I can support my friends and projects out there without having to vote or have anything to do with you. Why are you wasting time with me, ya gotta enough to work on at home! Trust me, I know. ;)
These statements only amplify your extremism. The things you talk of are on other threads and have absolutely nothing to do with this one and your imaginary friends. And has nothing to do with your being an Elk Konnected follower. Unless you are saying the so called people that have quite posting are stupid enough to allow a political thread affect their personal involvement on all the other Topics 13510 of them. Is that what you are saying?
But by the way the number of users continues to grow and at the moment there are 130 guest on line.
Yea, I'd say you are a liberal extremist, if I were to say that is.
LOL LOL LOL How's that for you pokie poke way of doing things. LOL LOL LOL
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Ross,
I am reluctant to respond to you because you tend to always feel a need to have the last word in any discussion,
You have no idea how I feel so your remark is moot. There is no last word just as you proved with this, your response. So please feel free to respond. It is an open forum, don't you agree?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
but I simply can't ignore your latest example of using the old 'double-standard' on this forum.
What old double standard are you referring to in your remark above:
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
you tend to always feel a need to have the last word in any discussion,
Is that it?
Or is it perhaps the old pokie thing that Diane uses and you are saying I can't use it as well?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Since you joined and torked off so many of the existing members, you have mentioned on many occasions how folks were 'trying to shut you up' or were trying 'trying to run you off'.
Who are all those members I have supposedly torked off? Are they nameless, non-existent?
Or are they the few Elk Konnected Followers such as you?
You are related to some of them folks aren't you?
So tell us how come Elk Konnected hasn't come across with all that quality of life stuff?
Why haven't they provided wet inflatable slipper slides or mechanical bulls for the different county events?
Don't they still think of themselves as part of the Elk County Community?
Is it because they no longer control the County Government and can't bilk the taxpayer any longer?
I still haven't found that Elk Konnected community on the map.
I have found it in the virtual world called the internet.
Please let's hear your side of this story, we are all listening.
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
You have even bragged about how tough you are and that no one short of Teresa and/or Kjell could get you to change your ways and your right to say on here WHATEVER you feel.
Oh, no sir I haven't bragged about how tough I am, now that is a big fat lie. Of course I will retract that statement if you can quote me saying such a thing on this forum. So please quote me.
Oh wait a minute, are you referring to the threats made to me early on in this thread, you know the back handed threat about my health or the possible lawsuit?
As far as the lawsuit all I said was bring it on, no tough guy stuff.
They had no reason to make such a threat, therefore it did not scare me.
No reason to get tough, LOL !
And I never said, "no one short of Teresa and/or Kjell could get you to change your ways", that is another bold faced lie.
I have said that they own the forum and if they want to shut me down or reject me from the forum that is their right. And I would respect that.
But I will say, you sir do not have that power over them either.
They are very reputable people.
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
And now here you are, apparentally trying to ask Diane to just disappear off the forum because now you pity her so much. The fact of her living in Delaware seems to be a real bone of contention with you.
There it is again. Didn't you see the pokie poke thing running across the screen.
The double standard you keep referring to apparently it is alright for Diane an Elk Konnected Follower to constantly do it, but I can't, Isn't that it?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Well guess what, although I can't say with certainty and this is JUST MY OPINION, there are likely more members of this forum who live outside of Elk County than there are that do reside in the county.
So what?
They can say what ever they want here on the forum, it is an open forum.
But they have no real say locally, they don't vote or live here do they?
It really is the vote that counts isn't it?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
I myself am a non-resident of Elk County, but I was raised there and still have a multitude of family and friends there, so I am extremely interested in the goings-on of the area.
That's fine! But you have no vote, so no real say, am I right?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
When I learned of this forum and joined in 2006, I was made to feel very welcomed. From the statements you've made so many times that non-residents or taxpayers should not speak, write or express their opinions on here,
No, no you twist it a bit don't you?
First I do not possess the ability just as you don't to tell anyone they can not post on this thread or any other thread on this forum. Only the owners of the forum can do that, right?
Quote from: ddurbin on August 03, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
I surmise you would prefer I just disappear from the forum as well. AIN"T GONNA HAPPEN. That's all I have to say on this for now. I'd say feel free to respond, but I can guarantee you will regardless. You always do.
Am I not supposed to respond when you address me?
That would be rude of me, wouldn't it?
I don't want to be rude.
No, no I would rather you stayed on the forum and I appreciate your posting on this thread. Your posting keeps things going and interesting.
By all means do not go away, please.
All the Elk Konnected Followers are encouraged to respond and post at least by me.
Especially, if they can provide any real positive information about Elk Konnected, that is believable.
I would definitely appreciate that.
Mr. Durbin since you have such great connections can you tell us how many officials elected to the West Elk USD 282 might be Elk Konnected?
That would be excellent information.
Thank You and have a good evening.
Wow, Ross this is a new one even for you. Using things from a post that you made at 6:23 this evening in another post at 7:38 to refute things my brother Dan posted at 5:57 pm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
You post so much nonsense that even you can't keep it straight.
And I guess your tin-foil hat must be coated in Teflon.
Flint, if Ross was a liberal/socialist, he'd be agreeing with you most of the time. However, that's not the case.
Quote from: flintauqua on August 03, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Wow, Ross this is a new one even for you. Using things from a post that you made at 6:23 this evening in another post at 7:38 to refute things my brother Dan posted at 5:57 pm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
You post so much nonsense that even you can't keep it straight.
And I guess your tin-foil hat must be coated in Teflon.
Just my opinion, you and your brother are funny, hilarious.
My tinfoil hat is in perfect shape, it protects me from you Elk konnected Followers just fine. LOL
Polkie Poke!
Afterall it's okay for an Elk konnected Follower to pokie poke and you didn't say I couldn't.
Ain't this funer than being mean and ugly?
Quote from: flintauqua on August 03, 2013, 07:33:40 PM
Wow, Ross this is a new one even for you. Using things from a post that you made at 6:23 this evening in another post at 7:38 to refute things my brother Dan posted at 5:57 pm? ? ? ? ? ? ?
You post so much nonsense that even you can't keep it straight.
And I guess your tin-foil hat must be coated in Teflon.
Wow! I didn't know he was your brother, my apologies.
Perhaps since you live here and you provide him with local information, just perhaps you can tell all of us how many School Board Officials are Elk Konnected or Konnected Followers?
By the way do you live in Howard?
Look out, let the bashing continue. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh my word...now I'm a liberal extremist? You say that like it tastes bad. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
So you believe information sharing is actually bragging...disagreeing is whining. Jokes aren't funny... People who support local public causes are socialist fools. Any complants, except by you, are a pity party... nobody is allowed to be sarcastic except you, even when you surely deserve it. You want to be a leader from behind the scenes and have your loyal goons do the dirty work. Everybody is out of step but LW? and perhaps his little posse? Wahoo! Scrape those human spurs.
By the way,one of my "invisible" Kansas friends just made a really nifty tote bag for me with a big red hen on it. Not bragging, just telling you. It's very clever.
You can whack people and then whine foul when they finally have had enough and come back at you. Everybody but you always starts every disagreement, so you are merely defending yourself. WOW. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It must to be such fun to be you... and THEM. No thanks, I'll stay my old, and getting older, moderate self. No party line for me.
Ross, I'm telling you, the people you are so sure are reading all your posts and are hanging on every word you post, ARE NOT.
You don't even remember what people post so you go back over things over and over. They left. They don't read you . Gone. Pfft. Get used to it.
Teresa did ask you nicely to back off this thread and you said you didn't see it. How convenient. But you apparently ignored her.
Your reading comprehension seems to lead you to misunderstand the point of much that you read, so you start with the " so I assume you mean" or "so you really mean" something that was never posted or meant. Or do you do that on purpose? You are a master at confusing any issue. If you could make money at it you'd be rich.
So now you are apologizing to Flint for having Dan as his brother? Why, is it your fault? ;D ( that's just what I meant) So now you assume Flint is told EVERYTHING by Dan and nobody else? oooh.
Why do you care where Dan lives? You must be up to something. ::)
Time to start cooking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Look out, let the bashing continue. ::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Oh my word...now I'm a liberal extremist? You say that like it tastes bad. :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
It is in my opinion. We have enough people on welfare and enough Corporate Welfare and enough Foreign Welfare thanks to liberal thinking.
We also have an over abundance of NGO's.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
So you belive information sharing is actually bragging...disagreeing is whining. Jokes aren't funny... People who support local public causes are socialist fools. Any complants, except by you, are a pity party... nobody is allowed to be sarcastic except you, even when you surely deserve it. You want to be a leader from behind the scenes and have your loyal goons do the dirty work. Everybody is out of step but LW? and perhaps his little posse? Wahoo! Scrape those human spurs.
No, no that wasn't me, where is your comprehension? That was your fellow Elk Konnected Follower that broached that subject by saying I was bragging, when in fact I wasn't. So I'll forgive you that one. Go back and re-read it, please. I think you are a bit cornfused.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
By the way,one of my "invisible" Kansas friends just made a really nifty tote bag for me with a big red hen on it. Not bragging, just telling you. It's very clever.
You can whack people and then whine foul when they finally have had enough and come back at you. Everybody but you always starts every disagreement, so you are merely defending yourself. WOW. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I am sure your imaginary friend did and I suppose they sewed a million bucks into the lining as well. Enjoy your new wealth. LOL Only you can say poke, poke is that what you are saying. But just who did I whack, you can't say can you. Just poke, poke right back at you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
It must to be such fun to be you... and THEM. No thanks, I'll stay my old, and getting older, moderate self. No party line for me.
Do you even know the meaning of moderate?
So if you do, do you think it is being moderate to expand the size of a school that was designed to hold 600 children when there are only 330 children attending it?
Do you think it is moderate to spend $19,000 hiring a firm to work for your school to redesign or extend the building, and then fire them because they ask you to fill out a simple questionnaire asking precisely what you want? Because you find the questions to hard to answer and because it will take to long to answer? If students in class said that about a teachers questionnaire (test or quiz) they would get a failing grade wouldn't they?
Do you find all that waste of money moderate?
Moderate I don't think so. You won't answer a single one of these questions about this liberal waste of taxpayer's dollars will you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Ross, I'm telling you, the people you are so sure are reading all your posts and are hanging on every word you post, ARE NOT.
Boy your comprehension is really bad. When have I ever asked anyone to hang on to my every word? Haven't I asked people to ignore me and do their own thinking?
But as far as reading you keep coming back with nothing but twisted words and you never have anything positive to say about your precious Elk Konnected, why is that?
Perhaps because there is nothing to say. They don't provide anything for the children any longer at the Community events. Not even real lollipops. Such a shame.
But by the way take a look at the numbers near the top of this thread and try to comprehend them. Over 150,000 reads, so there you go twisting things again. Oh, I feel so sorry for your failure, you are trying so hard.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
You don't even remember what people post so you go back over things over and over. They left. They don't read you . Gone. Pfft. Get used to it.
See above response. Sorry again. So you don't appreciate repetition, get over it. Don't read it. No one is forcing you to come here. So can the whining. No, I a,\m sorry for that, it's your privilege to whine, carry on.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Teresa did ask you nicely to back off this thread and you said you didn't see it. How convenient. But you apparently ignored her.
Twist and twist. You never cease to amaze me. And trying to speak for the nice lady, how shameful of you twisting her words. By the way isn't saying twisting the sane as saying lying?
Teresa has the ability to totally destroy this thread, don't you comprehend that?
She neither needs your say or backing. Teresa in my opinion is a very strong minded woman and I would not want to piss her off. I met her recently and she told me she could kick my ass. Now do you think I would want to go there? No way. LOL
I just happen to like and respect an honest woman like Teresa
You are so funny and so much fun; I don't understand why people tell you to back off.
Really, yes I do.
But the entertainment is great. Thanks for posting. Bye-bye.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Your reading comprehension seems to lead you to misunderstand the point of much that you read, so you start with the " so I assume you mean" or "so you really mean" something that was never posted or meant. Or do you do that on purpose?
When you fail to properly communicate you leave the subject open to assumption and therefore I am asking if that is what I am to assume. Remember teach to communicate properly you have the opportunity to respond and correct your own error. Even others were assuming about what you said. So sorry, for you again.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
You are a master at confusing any issue. If you could make money at it you'd be rich.
Oh, I confuse you! I am so sorry for you if you are so easily confused.
I do make errors and I have accepted the fact that I am human and subject to errors.
And I have graciously accepted the corrections when made. What more do you want teach. Teach me, but please be truthful.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 04, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
So now you are apologizing to Flint for having Dan as his brother? Why, is it your fault? ;D ( that's just what I meant) So now you assume Flint is told EVERYTHING by Dan and nobody else? oooh.
Why do you care where Dan lives? You must be up to something. ::)
Time to start cooking.
I ain't up to nothing you foolish woman, I was being polite and curious that's all.
I did meet the man once on the street in Howard, if I were up to something I wouldn't ask him where he lived. Do you comprehend there are phone books, and county maps with names on the properties and there is also the internet. So, that statement, that I am up to something lacks any comprehension. Sorry, once again Diane.
Oh my, oh my how we twist and twist and twist. I see where you could twist my statement. I failed to leave out that possibility. I truly meant that I was sorry that I did not know they were brothers. Shame on you and shame on me. Human error don't you see?
LOL
I sure don't understand why people tell you to back off.
I find you funny and entertaining, especially since you are so well educate and having trouble putting down this redneck high school graduate. Keep bring it on. I'm having a great time and I am sure you are to.
But, truthfully, I do understand those other people and their complaints about you.
Bit I enjoy the twisting and turning you do to a degree. Ooops, I repeated myself.
Oh and since you have made it a point so many times to correct my spelling and for others as well Teacher please check all the errors in your post I am responding to, please!
Please any people reading this just ignore all this B. S. and just have a good laugh on me. Thanks all, Ross
And while she is rereading, perhaps another look at Teresa's post in the Forum topic is in order.
I don't know who you are nykkylsdymes, but thank you. Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
I know how many people read the forum.. and there are lots. If there were only a handful, as many think... we would have shut it down a long time ago and not maintained the cost and the site. But that isn't the case.
Thanks for all those that read.. and thanks for all those that post.. and thanks to all those who continue to keep an open mind and heart to all types of people and personality's.. and know that just because someone is verbal on how they believe and feel doesn't make them a bad person.. It makes them a person who is alive and passionate about life.
Yup, that response is exactly what I expected.
By the way, I did make one error and I've done it before. At one point when I said "you" that was meant to be you plural, not just you personally. Sorry. I don't tend to say "you all" because that isn't correct either. Your whole posse was involved. As far as the school, I have no comment because I have no idea what your cost of living and building costs are there. I could tell you what it costs here, but that's not the same. I also don't know if your facts about the issue are correct.They have been refuted before. As far as others hating me...I don't care. I know exactly when it started some time back and it has become "fashionable" to dislike me by a few...with a lot of misinformation tossed in.
I'm hoping more people will move to face book also...a lot less rude name calling, labeling and generalizing. Some ''just in fun" poking ,but nothing meant to be mean or taken seriously among friends.
As far as my supporting Elk County and it's people, you don't have a clue and I won't brag about it. Further away too. Do you remember dear little Brody Hurt? My heart bled for that family. His sister and I still chat from time to time.
The tote bag that was made for me...I'm hoping for it to be full of golden eggs when T. ships it.
Gotta go.
Well moving on Diane, I've got more important things to discuss.
And whether or not any one believes even a single word is strictly up to that individual.
If people choose to ignore this information that is quite okay too!
A few weeks ago at a West Elk School Board Meeting, before the meeting even started I asked for one of the hand outs they provide to the school board members and a few select others and was refused.
I was told I would have to ask in advance and pay $.25 a page to get a copy.
The purpose for asking is this is supposed to be an open meeting and the public should be permitted to follow along and understand what they are talking about. Without that hand out there is no way to follow them. They provide copies to the teachers and coaches at no charge I bet. Oh the excuse is they are staff and need to be able to follow along in case they are called on to respond. Really, don't they as staff know what is going on in their specific area that might be questioned? Do the teachers and coaches and Principal pay $.25 per page to follow the meeting.
So I guess it is like providing a cheat sheet for the teachers, so they don't have to openly discuss what the subject is and that keeps it secret from the public, what other reason is there? And I am sure like any other good secretary or Clerk of the Board putting information together for a public meeting she would have extra copies.
I'm sure some of you have had the opportunity to read the School Board Minutes and can recognize that they are not very informative. For instance when a member of the board resigned they didn't mention why. But they did vote to accept the resignation. To me that was a pretty important resignation. They didn't even say for personal reasons. That in itself places a cloud over the Board of Education IMHO. It was after that resignation that they asked to have the School Districts reduced from 6 to 3 and I believe they stated to make the school boards job easier. Oh yea, everything is suppose to be easy isn't it. And this still continues.
The school board members sit at their smorgas board table facing each other barley speaking up. Their voices should be heard loud and clear by all present. It is a public meeting.
I have had others express their concern to me about not being able to hear the school board members. The High School Principle addressed the school board and filled the room with her voice easily; the same goes for the contractors and salesmen that have addressed the school board. But the School Board can not accomplish the same thing. I turned my hearing aids up as high as possible and strained to hear the board members and still could not hear them.
Now about the School board meeting and the way they have their School Board set up.
It just doesn't seem proper to me. They sit facing each other and can not be heard in that tiny room. They have the School Superintendent sitting at the head of the table coaching the school board, IMHO. He is not an elected official and should not be sitting on the Board. He should be in the audience just like the rest of the staff and or employees. The Principle and the teachers and the coaches that show up, all sit in the audience, which is the proper thing to be doing. The school Board does not have the right or privilege to invite the School Superintendent to sit on the Board and should correct this at the next meeting. It is nothing personal towards the Superintendent, I personally happen to like him. It is simple matter of protocol, procedure and etiquette. He is not an elected official and can answer any questions posed to him from the audience. And follow the procedures imposed on everyone else and not interrupt the meeting unless specifically addressed or acknowledge. He is an employee of the School District and the taxpayers just as the rest of the employees.
The same goes for the Clerk of the Board, she should be seated at a separate table and only speak when addressed.
Would you like to see a professional school board meeting? Visit the Elk Valley School District meeting some time. They don't have anyone providing them with a smorgasbord either. Who pays for that food at our West Elk School Board is it the taxpayers who's money should be used for the kids? Or is it a private entity trying to buy favors. Either way it IMHO is very improper. So they don't get paid, they volunteered for the job, not for the gratuity. So let's see the gratuity go away and pay attention to the business of education instead of pass me the tray of goodies.
A week ago I filled out a "Request for School Records" which are public information and was told I would have to pay $.25 per page and I agreed. The public information I requested has not been made available. I had also made it very clear verbally to the school superintendent and the lady he had me talk with. I specifically asked for a list the School District's employees positions and the pay/wages for the year including overtime and summer time pay for each of those positions. I also explained that I was not interested in the names of the particular employee that has the particular position, even though that too is public information. Instead they mailed me an hourly rate salary schedule classified employees only for the unified School District. That is for the teachers positions only. That is not all employees of the school district and does not include overtime and summertime pay.
They also included a letter and stated, if this is not the information you are requesting, please give me a call." That simply means they already knew it was not the information I requested and I was not asked to pay the $.25 per page. They paid postage and used an envelope and wasted paper failing to provide what I asked for. I know for a fact they provided the same information to another taxpayer but without the overtime and did not charge him $.25 a page. So you figure it out what is going on with our tax paid employees at West Elk.
I re-submitted my request once again this morning and photographed the request for possible use near the end of the week if necessary. I also requested on a second form for copies of the proposed contract with the church nest door to the north of the West Elk School building, I also photographed that request.
Now to sit back, and wait and see if they provide the requested public information.
I was asked by a person to try to get the information and post it o they too would know what is happening. I was asked not to divulge who that person is. And I will respect that request, so please don't ask.
You too have the right to public information and with all the technology and a technology expert working for you at West Elk if the people that have the information don't know how to use it I'm sure the technology expert could help them post it to the Schools web site along with the board minutes which lack the handouts referred to in the minutes.
I know that two School Board Members are Elk Konnected affiliated in one way or another. Does anyone know how many others are?
Just curious about what is going on with the school board and because I have an idea that all this business of building an unnecessary Taj Mahal of a school has something to do with that. Just asking.
Okay let me have, I'm ready to hear it.
The government is hoping more people join facebook as well. Makes it easy for them to know all about you.
Why spend time here, if facebook is so great?
I know the answer already, but fire away.
Quote from Bullwinkle:
Why spend time here, if facebook is so great?
I can answer that Bull. It's because if she had to have the last word on everything---if she tried to bully everyone----if she tries her damndest to stir the pot---and if she doesn't get a rise out of anyone she tries again and again and in her sneaky way dis-respects anyone that lives here until someone finally responds to her so then she can have her pity pat party or tell us how she will not be pushed around---argues with anyone that isn't a liberal like herself---- has some smart ass remark on 99 % of all topics but never a solution except to tell us how they do it in De.. That's just a few of the things she does on this forum that if she pulled the same crap on facebook EVERYONE would un-friend her or delete her or whatever they do on FB.
So don't read what I have to say, and yes I know exactly what Teresa had to say, to EVERYONE. Count youself in on that . pftttt.
I sure wish there was a flash button for this one.
pftttt. Jarhead just pftttt.
ROTFLMAOI almost forgot pokie, poke Jarhead.
Is this some kind of "broken record".
"So don't read what I have to say".
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 05, 2013, 08:52:10 PM
Is this some kind of "broken record".
"So don't read what I have to say".
It's a never ending story on thread after thread.
I've kinda got use to it.
Poor dear.
Ross and Bull,
Every time I read where she says Poke to y'all I think of Gus on Lonesome Dove asking Laurie darling for a poke. Maybe you lads are getting propositioned and letting a good time slip right by you. :D
Thanks for making me lose my breakfast, Jarhead.
Still getting aftershocks from that image. :-X
No problem Bull. At least you didn't rip my head off. That ol drunk'n sailor wrote me a private e-mail and went on a rant about how he had "been a bad boy" in every port in the Pacific but even he draws the line on some things. OK Ross, that's a fibber but I now you're thinking it . :angel:
I just stopped by the West Elk District office and spoke with the Superintendent about my request.
They understood the message of going to the state level and are putting together the paper work.
I'm still waiting for it.
They were nice enough to let me know I have to pay for the woman's wages plus the $.25 per page.
But ya know I just do think they want you the public to have public information about the school district that taxes you,
because they did the same thing for another man, less the overtime pay and did not charge him a cent.
Not one red cent. I know this for a fact.
But, I will pick up the cost and post it for all you taxpayers to read when I get it.
They say they want the community involved but I don't think they really mean it.
It's a strange situation IMHO.
Are they ashamed or are they trying to hide something?
Like the fact that West Elk Was built to handle 600 students and they only have 330?
I imagine for less than the nearly half million the spent on trailers and the $6,000 plus for yet another trailer and the $19,000 they wasted on a contractor and got nothing for, they could have redesigned a portion of the inside of the present building as lot cheaper.
But as stated at a school board meeting they can raise our property taxes 4 mil without asking. I also understand there has been talk of raising that limit or completely doing away with it.
All this progressive thinking and positive attitude is hurting the schools budget and the school children and I think it is time for the school board to utilize the critical thinking that they want to teach the school children and stop wasting money.
I would assume that the critical thinking they speak of would include bothe the negative and positive and would require finding a sensible solution. But that would include a real discussion amongst all school board members, wouldn't it?
Wake up people or pay much higher property tax and thank the progressives. Perhaps send the a Christmas present in gratitude.
Disclaimer: You are not asked to believe a bit of this, just go on ignoring it like the lady from Delaware claims you are doing.
It don't mean nothing until your next time to vote.
Have a great afternoon.
Quote from: jarhead on August 06, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
No problem Bull. At least you didn't rip my head off. That ol drunk'n sailor wrote me a private e-mail and went on a rant about how he had "been a bad boy" in every port in the Pacific but even he draws the line on some things. OK Ross, that's a fibber but I now you're thinking it . :angel:
Fer crying out loud you old fart. I was single in the Navy and had a great time in every port.
But today I am very happily married, I suspect my wife is too!
@1 Years and never ever fooled around on my little lady and never even thought to.
Don't need to 5'1 and built like a brick shit house and don't take no crap off me or anyone else.
A little package of dyn-o-mite and sweeter than fudge. I love sugar.
So you are absolutely right ya old coot.
I'm trying to be nice and that can be difficult with you jarheads. LOL
Start the nest post with Dear Abby will ya.
" Dear Abby, dear Abby, well I never thought, that me and my girlfriend would ever get caught. "
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 06, 2013, 07:27:31 PM
" Dear Abby, dear Abby, well I never thought, that me and my girlfriend would ever get caught. "
LOL
I'm about to attempt to explain, what I have been asking for of our publicly owned school district to the best of my ability. That being the West Elk School District USD 282. Whether you believe me or not is entirely up to you. If you discuss is again is entirely up to you.
On or about July 29th I requested a list of all employees' salaries including overtime pay and summer time pay on the districts official Public Request for School Records. For the period of the 2012-2013 school year. As a taxpayer just as you are, I am entitled to all Public Information associated with the school district. The only thing to my knowledge that is not allowed to be made public is information concerning disciplinary actions directed towards employees or students. All other is public Information.
I was told I would have to pay $.25 cents per page which I agreed to. Even though, another man was provided a similar request less the overtime and summertime pay without being charged a single cent.
Instead of providing the information I requested, I was sent a letter. That letter dated August 1. 2013 contained a Salary Schedule and An Hourly Rate which is a graduated pay scale which showed yearly step pay raises. Not anything closely resembling what I requested. They wasted taxpayer dollars and charged me nothing. I believe that was done simply to appease a dumb redneck hick, me. They did state in the letter and I quote, "If this is not the information you are requesting, please give me a call." She new full well that was not what I was requesting because we had a face to face conversation about it. Sorry it did not fly. I submitted a second request this time I requested salary or pay, for each position taxpayer money is used for including overtime pay and summertime pay. I did state that I was not interested in the individual employees names. I took pictures of this request to document the request. I was informed by the School Superintendent to remove the names would require a lot of extra work removing them manually. So I said, okay, include the names then, my intention is not to create extra work. The names are public information also. I also informed them that if needed, I would go to the State Level with my request.
I was then informed I would have to pay $.25 per page, but this time, they say I have to pay for the time, for the work performed by Business Manager or someone. You know, I wonder why, when no one else is asked to pay for such time? I'll leave that up to you to decide. Is it to get me not to follow through with my request? Is it because they don't want that information circulating amongst taxpayers?
While attending a school board meeting I asked for a copy of the School Board Member Meeting Packet, which in the past has been referred to as an attachment in the School Board Agenda. However this packet has never been attached to the agenda or the School Board Minutes. The minutes are posted on the West Elk web site. How is a person attending the meeting supposed to follow along at an open school board meeting without this information, they say refer to page such and such, and I am not allowed page such and such. The purpose of an open school board meeting is just for that purpose to be open. I received a letter dated July 18th that I would have to request in writing for a copy prior to the meeting on the Public Request For School Records. These are not necessarily school records until after the meeting, but should be provided to the public during the meeting to follow along. I think they need to get legal advice on this. The Open Meeting laws are different than those requesting school records. I feel they are simply denying me or you the taxpayer proper knowledge during an open meeting. To me it is a form of keeping things secret and I believe they know and understand that. I may take this to the state level. These documents are provided to some individuals in the audience so that they may follow along and I suspect those folks are not paying $.25 per page or requesting them prior to the meeting.
But moving on. I verbally requested a copy of the contract between West Elk USD 282 and the church to the north of the school. This was not accepted very well. I was told they had chosen not to sign a contract because the state had not approved the building for school use. So I cane back with their Public Request For School Records form requesting a copy of the PROPOSED contract with the church to the north of the West Elk School. I then received a copy of my request back and it was dated mailed 8/8/13 and it had written on it under, "REASON FOR DENIAL OR REASON FOR DELAY", awaiting legal opinion before the document is released. Don't these people understand that all documents and papers of a public school are public information, I think they do, I think they were only playing a game with me. Why haven't I been asked to pay for the legal opinion associated with the release of the document? I don't believe they got a legal opinion. Therefore, I am not positive I have received the latest copy of the document. The sent me a draft labeled, "LEASE AGREEMENT DRAFT revision 4-5-2-13 with the 4 X'd out. I received the document dated, mailed 8-9-13.
I am posting these documents for all to see and the link is posted at the bottom of the page.
I am still awaiting the pay for August 1, 2012 through August 1. 2013.
Why is everything so difficult with West Elk and Public Documents when the school board with their long term plan and their study's paid for by tax dollars say they want community involvement? Is it that the staff think they are running their own private business? Is it that the staff doesn't recognize they are employees of the School District which belongs to the taxpayers? Has the school board directed them to be difficult with anyone wanting information? Is it a tool to continue with their plan to build a Taj Mahal for Howard? What is really going on? You decide? How much do you want your taxes raised since we have finally received a tax break from the county? I believe the School District figures that gives them a green light to raise your taxes, perhaps you don't deserve a tax break, what about that?
Perhaps the School District needs a State Audit, something to think about isn't it?
I hope this is as clear as mud. LOL
https://app.box.com/updates
Good nights folks.
Well, I have added another file, West Elk USD 282 Pay Schedules at https://app.box.com/updates and two Folders :
Board of Education Minutes (includes District Profile)
Site Council Minutes
The site council meetings are easy to find because they are listed in a banner across the page. The site council has no power and can only make suggestions to the Board of Education. However, the Board of Education which has the power to vote on things and make them happen do not have their minutes listed on the same banner and are a bit difficult to find that is why I have made this folder, to make it much easier for you the voter and taxpayer.
I am having some difficulty at board meetings understanding what they are saying, I admit that. I have admitted to having hearing problems and that I wear hearing aids, but even if I turn my hearing aids up to the highest possible volume bordering on feed back through the instruments, I still can't hear the discussions. But, I have heard from others the same thing and they don't have hearing problems. So why can't the School Board members fill the little room with their voices like the School Principle does or like the salesmen that address the board? Is it because they don't want to be heard. Oh pardon me, Mr. Bellar has been exceptional in filling the room with his voice. Good job Mr. Bellar.
I received the Agenda for the School Board Meeting tomorrow evening 8/12/2013.
It keeps referring to pg. such and such but I think they are probably going to refuse to hand out this information to everyone in attendance. Thus not allowing voters and taxpayers to follow along, IMHO And that is totally wrong again IMHO!
Amazing they are going to talk about the Architects Report – Heckman & Associates.
Wait a minute I know for a fact that I heard the School Superintendent tell the School Board that the questionnaire the Architect sent was to difficult to fill out, he also stated he did not want the public to see the questionnaire that I heard for a fact. I thought he said he told the man not to come to the school board meeting. Perhaps I mis-understood him but I thought they were finished with the firm, guess I was wrong. They just don't to deal with a pop quiz about what they want, I guess !!!
Another item on the agenda is the resignation of Rachel Ware as Board of Education member.
Yet another item on the agenda is to Approve notice & resolution to fill vacancy on BOE.
Really what is going on at West Elk USD 282?
How many BOE Members have resigned in the last two years or so?
I count three. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Why has West Elk had two coaches resign, they were both females, one worked with the girls volley ball team and the other worked with the Girls Cheerleaders?
Oh, I think we all know the standard reasons, but really?
With so many resignations should someone be taking notice?
No red flags? Why?
Oh, I think we understand the common excuses for leaving jobs, any jobs.
But maybe, Three Board members and two female coaches and how many that we possibly don't know about? Shouldn't someone be asking why?
I mean really, WHY?
I don't think most hourly wage employees give a written resignation.
They usually only give a written or verbal 2 week notice.
Would anyone have an idea if or how many hourly employees may have quit in recent years?
Do you reckon there could perhaps be some hidden problems at West Elk?
Just asking!
Such a small county and so many unanswered questions, why?
Ask that the ones with softer voices use a microphone. You have the right to be able to hear.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 11, 2013, 01:12:53 PM
Ask that the ones with softer voices use a microphone. You have the right to be able to hear.
I guess you didn't pick up on the fact that Mr. Bellar seems to be the only one mentioned that speaks up.
What about the fact that yet another board member has resigned and no body wonders why so many have or how many more may.
And ya didn't get anything else out of the last two post I made.
Wow just Wow.
Ya want me to shut up and then complain 'cause I didn't say anything? :angel: Holy cow! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Ross, you know they all quit because of you........ and your henchmen.
After all y'all killed the forum. :o :o :o :o ::) :P :-* :laugh:
West Elk USD 282 is not located in Howard, Ks as stated at this web site
http://westelk.us/ !
Who continues to keep this blatant lie going?
Or is it someone that fails to understand how to communicate properly?
Perhaps they don't know how to say, and print the truth, West Elk is located south of Howard, 1/4 mile on Kansas State Highway 99?
Naw, I don't think so, I think someone just wants to be dishonest, what do you think?
I wonder who that might be?
Just like the road signs that belong to West Elk USD 282 and should be placed on the Highway at the School, not at the City Limits of Howard?
Is Howard a separate entity from the rest of Elk County?
Don't they care about a positive attitude with in the county?
Does the truth matter?
Does honest count for anything in Howard?
Howard what are you teaching your children, are you teaching them honesty this way?
Do you feel no shame?
There is no difference between this and a child stealing a candy bar, do you approve or do you make things right?
Where are all the Christians, where are all the preachers? Or are Christians and preachers only for Sunday?
Do you Christians and preachers think this is the right thing to teach the children,
tell them little white lies and cheat just a little, it's okay, is that it?
Teach the children there is no shame in lying and cheating and just ignore it, right?
If the school staff can't get it right perhaps the West Elk School Board of Education can suggest that thy do get it right, do you suppose?
Why does Howard want to continue to be dishonest and continue to hold the signs that belong to the School?
Perhaps it is like the Elk Connecter's statement of sorts. While some areas of the county are doing positive things Howard doesn't want to cooperate. Do you suppose that it? Where is that quality of life?
Why doesn't the West Elk School Board of Education take corrective actions and have the signs placed where they belong --- at West Elk for the kids? Do it for the Kids --- isn't that what the local NGO's say --- Do it for the Kids? Why don't they take corrective actions and have the web site corrected?
Isn't that the sales pitch of the West Elk School Board of Education will use in order to get a Community Storm Shelter for Howard? Do it for the Kids?
DID THIS IMPROVE ANYTHING AT ALL:
Copied fro the web page listed below.
Further reductions considered by the West Elk Board of Education to meet the 10% general fund
reduction budget for 2009-10:
o Move to a four day school week (reduce the calendar by 11 days) - @$55,000.Consolidate the elementary programs to one campus - @$128,000.
Moline Elem - Building # 2444 - Closed 06/01/2010
Severy Elem - Building # 2448 - Closed 06/01/2010
Found at http://www.usakansas.org/content/1/West_Elk_USD_-_Superintendent_Bert_Moore.pdf
Close two schools to save $128,000.00 and spend nearly $500,000.00 on trailers, does that make since. Then want to build a new gymnasium and provide a Community Storm Shelter for Howard, is that what you understand?
Where is the improvement for the budget?
Moline grade school's roof could have been fixed much cheaper, especially since half of the roof was still under warranty. And you would still have your separate gymnasium. Go figure! JUST THROW IT AWAY!
The $5.5 million School Bond issue failed didn't it, except in Howard where nearly ¾ of the people voting in Howard were for it?
Don't you wonder why?
I wonder?
While ¾ of the county and other communities had people vote no!
The West Elk School District has been operating just fine for two years as it is, and as the school board has noted numerous times with a declining enrollment and a declining population, where is the common sense in expanding the size of a building that is designed to house 600 students when there are only 300 attending?
Wake up School Board quit throwing money away at an engineering company that you don't even want to cooperate with.
They asked you to tell them what you want,
they asked you about the abilities of the building,
they asked you what your needs are,
ad many more important questions,
the questions would have provide in writing many answers from numerous people,
so that a consensus could be determined,
but apparently that was to difficult to accomplish.
Why?
Consensus seems to work for those School Board Members that are a part of Elk Konnected, why not here, with this difficult and complex situation is consensus a failure?
Are Elk Konnected's methods wrong?
I have a simple answers and solution for you?
Forget it, forget building
you have a large enough building for 300 children!
Become the School Board of Education (instead of sports). With the State admitting that education standards have been lowered so much,
this would be a great time to make a name for Howard and West Elk,
that seems to be the goal right?
Make a name for Howard?
Build a Taj Mahal.
Instead of concentrating on construction,
concentrate on education.
Raise the standard of Education at West Elk.
Go for the Gold!
Be all that you can be!
BECOME A BLUE RIBBON SCHOOL!
DO IT FOR THE KIDS!
EDUCATE EM' BETTER!
But not for just one year, make it a goal for year after year.
Let all the kids get the education they deserve for our tax dollars.
Let's get more effort out of the School Superintendent and Principle to improve the educational standard and to motivate a few more teachers.
The classes are pretty small and children can get more one on one with the teacher than at a school with crowded class rooms.
So what are the excuses?
Does West Elk have the ability to improve education?
Does the West Elk School Board have the ability to see that West Elk Excels in Education?
No - Not if you don't give it at least a little thought, and effort, right?
Are you just going to settle for average while education standards are so low? Doesn't that just translate the average to a low standard of average?
Remember you are the West Elk School Board of Education.
You are Not the West Elk School Board of Construction for Howard!
Just some thought, just some questions, just some opinions.
What do we want West Elk USD to be?
• A big spender
Or
• A big educator
• A better educator
Something to think about, your property taxes depend on it.
Your children's education depends on it.
I'm going to ask a question and I'm very serious about it. When you said you couldn't hear at the meeting, I was on your side. I don't care who spoke up and who didn't. Ask them to use a microphone. Surely they have one.
I keep being told to butt out, so I have. And now you criticize me for that? If you really want my opinion on this subject now ,you'll have to ask. I'm sure you don't, so I'll try to be silent.
I thought you were posting primarily for the school board to read. I wonder how many do? Do they consider you a one man NGO?
I still don't know why it bugs you so much that the high school isn't quite IN Howard. Compared to so many other things, that seems like minutia...but, for you it has importance.
Is that all that's left? You few will start arguments with me over anything? That's a real shame. Off to work at school. Have a nice day.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
I'm going to ask a question and I'm very serious about it. When you said you couldn't hear at the meeting, I was on your side. I don't care who spoke up and who didn't. Ask them to use a microphone. Surely they have one.
You don't get it, do you? If they had microphones there wouldn't be no problem would there?
But do you need microphone's in a very small room maybe 12'X20'. As I pointed out only one man speaks up. I don't think the rest want to be heard. That is the advantage of living here and knowing first hand what is going on.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
I keep being told to butt out, so I have. And now you criticize me for that? If you really want my opinion on this subject now ,you'll have to ask. I'm sure you don't, so I'll try to be silent.
Are you smoking loco weed?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
I thought you were posting primarily for the school board to read. I wonder how many do? Do they consider you a one man NGO?
I would hope to think they are smarter than that? I think they realize an NGO is a Non-Governmental Organization and that I am not an organization or a member of any organization. I would think the school board would think of me as either a pain in the ass or a thorn in their side. But, I personally think of myself as a concerned citizen and trying to share with the voting and taxpaying citizens of Elk County, Kansas. I know, I am even sharing some information they may already know. I hope to get people talking to each other and get more interested in how the systems in this county operate and to let them know that they have the power to do something affect their enviroment. Even the school has said they want more community involvement. Albiet now the way they want? I think there are other factors involved. But you are not here to hear and see for yourself. You rely on hearsay. The folks that live here can very anything they want on their own, a great advantage to being a resident.
I post on this forum and specifically on this thread for all of the people of Elk County, not just specific groups. But as has been explained County Commissioners have read this thread, Elk Konnected and their followers have read this thread and we can only assume that the School Board reads this thread. I know for a fact that the School Superintendent has read this thread and I think it might to be safe to say he is probably still reading this thread. But no this thread just like the rest of the forum is open to everyone. If I you must know and can't figure it out! I intend to be specific to the taxpaying and voting citizens of Elk County, Kansas. This is where we live, this is where we vote, this is where we pay taxes.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
I still don't know why it bugs you so much that the high school isn't quite IN Howard. Compared to so many other things, that seems like minutia...but, for you it has importance.
Very simple Diane!
It's the lack of honesty!
Do you appreciate dishonesty?
Howard at one time attempted to move their City Limits out to encompass the school.
Don't you see the Howard attitude?
Where you lack even the slightest honesty,
you lack morals,
you lack the ability to be trusted.
It is the first steps to corruption?
Start by stealing a dollar from gov't and get away with it, then it's ten dollars and then where does it end.
Only here they are stealing from the kids school.
The recognition must be very important to the City of Howard to stoop so low, where does it stop.
Teach don't you believe in truth and honesty?
Or do you turn a blind eye when children cheat on a test?
Don't you find lying and cheating and stealing shameful no matter how small it might be?
Especially by government bodies?
Does your church believe in truth and honesty?
So truth and honesty is minutia... to you, that's fine with me, but I find it shameful.
I have been teaching my son from the time I got him, the opposite of your thinking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 09:10:07 AM
Is that all that's left? You few will start arguments with me over anything? That's a real shame. Off to work at school. Have a nice day.
What argument? If A discussion with differences of opinion is an argument, so be it.
It would appear to me that you are trying to instigate an argument by making such a statement. That's a real shame, for sure!
Yup.... started out OK, but turned into more gaslighting. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Is there anything with you that is just neutral? It's a just sign for Pete's sake! black, white, good, evil, honest, dishonest and always on purpose. No mistakes, no accidents, no redos.
The forum is open? Imagine that! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. And you represent everyone who lives there...NOT. You do not represent the residents and tax payers who disagree with you.
Ya start firing loaded questions at me like that whole list...that's gaslighting! When do ya start with the "I must be ashamed" speech? And your son..really, REALLY? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :-X m-m-m-m-m-m-m. I totally get that everything is a big deal to you. I'll put my next comments on "the east coast thread."
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Yup.... started out OK, but turned into more gaslighting. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Is there anything with you that is just neutral? It's a just sign for Pete's sake! black, white, good, evil, honest, dishonest and always on purpose. No mistakes, no accidents, no redos.
Once again the victim aren't you?
Gaslighting, no way!
Definition of gaslighting:
Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which false information is presented with the intent of making a victim doubt his or her own memory, perception and sanity.[1] Instances may range simply from the denial by an abuser that previous abusive incidents ever occurred, up to the staging of bizarre events by the abuser with the intention of disorienting the victim. The term "gaslighting" comes from the play Gas Light and its film adaptations.
You really amaze me.
If it is just a sign why isn't it where it belongs?
Ya still gotta throw names around and can't comprehend what you are told. I'm not even sure you comprehend what you post. Fer instance when it comes to honesty or dishonesty and good and evil your post suggest you are Switzerland --- neutral. I suppose if someone stole your business sign or your cash register you would be neutral, right? That what I read in your statement above.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
The forum is open? Imagine that! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. And you represent everyone who lives there...NOT. You do not represent the residents and tax payers who disagree with you.
You are absolutely right I do not residents and taxpayers, I only represent myself.
And you have no idea what all the people of Elk County think and neither do I.
Why do you assume you know something like that?
Why are you way up there in Delaware so disturbed by this thread?
Are you against improving educational standards in Elk County versus improving sports?
What really gives with you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 12, 2013, 02:32:15 PM
Ya start firing loaded questions at me like that whole list...that's gaslighting! When do ya start with the "I must be ashamed" speech? And your son..really, REALLY? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :P :-X m-m-m-m-m-m-m. I totally get that everything is a big deal to you. I'll put my next comments on "the east coast thread."
You seem to have a problem with answering questions honestly about honesty and morals!
Yes as a parent I have a responsibility to teach my son many things and that includes honesty and morals. Do you have a problem with that too?
Have fun being neutral on the east coast.
I didn't lose anything over there.
And east coast politics is east coast politics, and I know nothing of it!
LOL
The sign/ signs in my opinion, should be at the school boundaries. Most areas I have been, that is how it is, unless the school is in the center of town and no other towns have a school that shares the accomplishment.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on August 12, 2013, 06:21:16 PM
The sign/ signs in my opinion, should be at the school boundaries. Most areas I have been, that is how it is, unless the school is in the center of town and no other towns have a school that shares the accomplishment.
Thank you Bullwinkle,
I think I will be having an interesting post for everyone tomorrow.
Providing I have the time to put it together.
I attended the school board meeting this evening and it was pretty interesting,
That is what I could hear of it.
And I have some pictures to post on my special web site for you folks of the proposed construction
at West Elk. The pictures are not all that great, but I did the best I could do with what I had to work with.
Would you believe an additional 20,000 square feet?
And practically renovating the whole school?
I guessing from the figures given out in the neighborhood of
$3,300,000.00 taxpayer dollars? I could be wrong I won't deny that.
That is not allowing for inflation each year between now and 2012.
They reported having 319 children enrolled this year and are hoping for a few more?
I believe last year they had 330 children isn't that the declining student enrollment that is discussed in all their studies?
So go ahead do the math, what is the cost per student and don't forget to factor in inflation and continued declining student enrollment between now and the discussed completion of the rebuild of 2021.
Oh I have some good news too, there was talk of education for both children and parents and to include surrounding schools and even parents and other adults.
But, I am tired and will try to post tomorrow, when I an rested.
Good night all.
Where to start?
Okay, the school principal said they have had 319 students enroll and are hoping for more to enroll. Well I think hope is nice, but folks this shows another decline in enrollment. If some one knows different please correct me but I believe last years enrollment was 330 students. The decline continues but the idea of building a Taj Mahal doesn't, does it?
Where are they going to come up with the money to pay for this Taj Mahal? I imagine a raise in property tax, yours and mine. I'll share more of my opinion on that later.
The good news was there was some talk about education by the principal, she has invited (for free as I understand it) a guest speaker to hold an assembly for West Elk and said she is inviting the other schools in the area to bring their students to West Elk to attend.
The subject Digital Dangers was on phrase I heard. It will teach the children and I assume the staff as well about the dangers of using Social Sites such as Facebook whether on the internet via computer or smart phone, and more.
There will be an assembly for adults in the evening and even though I feel I know the dangers and have provided as many safety's on my computers as possible and I feel I know the other dangers, I think there may be something new to learn.
I tried to tell the principal "good job" but I thought she deserved more then that, but that was the best I could do at the moment. I am definitely looking forward to that program.
I wasn't to pleased with the school superintendents remarks about the subject. I felt he was Implying bad parenting by all, perhaps he could choose better phrasing of his remarks. He said something to the affect that parents are not doing their job and teaching their children. I really resent that attitude to generalize so broadly. Sure there are some but not all parents that may fail at parenting. But personally I believe the majority work pretty hard and steady at parenting.
If the school is making the technology available to the children shouldn't they assume responsibility on their end as well? It seems they are always shifting fault to the parents. Why is that necessary? Who is responsible for West Elk only operating at an average level on the state grading system? Whose responsibility is it to see that West Elk's performance improves? The school board that's who! Do they block the social sites on the schools wifi or hard wired sites? I know Elk Valley USD 283 does. But the School Board is too busy doing construction to focus on education. I'll get to more of my opinion on the construction later.
You can look forward to a posting on the West Elk web site of the School Board Policy soon. I was about to ask for a copy and would have had to pay $.25 per page and probably an employees hourly wage. They have made a number of changes to their Policy, they did or the School superintendent did, I'm not sure who is responsible for the changes. But the board voted to accept the changes? During the school board meeting I'd sure like to be able to do a word count like in Word document that might prove to be interesting? I think it would show that the school superintendent has more words than anyone on the school board. So wouldn't that make it a school superintendent meeting, seeing how he has a seat at the head of the smorgasbord picnic table called the school board?
I am making some changes to the documents I uploaded to Box.com, to make it easier for you to access them. I hope! I am moving everything into one folder and then one link will open the folder that has files and other folder with files inside of them. I'm working on understanding the web site so please bear with me. My next post will have the new link and I hope to follow that up with information about the proposed construction.
I have better links for access to the public documents I have uploaded to box.com
If someone could test these for me and let me know they work for you, I would greatly appreciate it. You can private message me if you wish.
The links are:
For USD 282 Documents Click Link Below
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Trailer Expense's https://app.box.com/s/c0xebcwvgf9zd7xru3pp
The first link should open to a folder labeled "West Elk USD 282 Public Records File" containing 41 files, simply click on the folder to open it.
The same goes for the folders in side this folder.
This is the easiest way I have found to make this information available to you. Otherwise each file would need a separate link.
I am still dealing with the Trailer Expense file, for now it has it's own link.
Thanks for bearing with me.
I think I've finally got it right.
I am receiving a message from box that says quote, "Someone is viewing a document" and "Someone is downloading a document" .
I didn't expect to get the messages, this is great.
Too bad it doesn't say who. LOL
It doesn't matter who, what matters is people are interested and doing their own thinking.
That makes me happy, even if they get pissed at me.
This is what I could understand from the West Elk USD 282 School Board of Education meeting last night. And from what I learned I fee they should be referred from now on should be the West Elk USD 282 School Board of Construction. After all didn't we vote on a Bond Issue for 5.5 million dollars and tell them a loud and clear "NO". Well it seems they don't care what the property owner and taxpayer or voters say. They are going to go ahead and build that school a piece at a time as wings to the present building.
Have they go no shame, have they got no respect for the citizens of Elk County?
I don't think so, do you?
"Build It And They Will Come", was a movie! School Board Members do you understand that was fiction and fantasy. It won't work for Howard. Get a reality check people.
I know you have talked about the fact that you can raise our property taxes by 4 mil and you can do that every year without asking. But what was that talk of getting the ceiling lifted on that? Are you people kin to Obama?
My friends and neighbors and other voters and taxpayers are you ready for steady increases in your property taxes? If not you better start showing up at school board meetings and perhaps start calling School Board Members, maybe even e-mail them.
There may be no end to the taxation.
Some of what was said last night:
They were provided 4 pictures of options for construction (I posted some on Box.com)
No body seemed pleased with the options therefore they will be giving the man more feedback at a later date. Remember they didn't fill out his questionnaire because it was too hard. Well that is what they are doing the hard way and each time cost more money.
Have not decided where to put the storm shelter, maybe in the new gymnasium.
No room in the gymnasium for spectator bleachers. (We know that won't happen, this is more about sports than education, hang on till we get to the class room lighting)
Reduce lighting in each class room by one fixture and they will have the same amount of lighting to save cost. (Do you buy that, if so you are very easy? Light is rated in lumens not in number of fixtures. If these class rooms were designed for optimum lighting for the students, then it should not be messed with. Why deprive the students of class room lighting. Don't the school board members care about student eye strain?)
FEMA changing their ways and there may not be FEMA money available for storm shelter. (That's not good is it?)
May have to relocate trailers. (Hasn't there been enough money wasted on installing the trailers where they are and the board is willing to double down on that. Senseless in my opinion.)
Repurpose the trailers (Wait a minute. Wasn't nearly a half million dollars just spent on making class rooms out of these trailers and now you may have to move them and repurpose them? Does the school board really enjoy wasting taxpayer money? Are they kin to Obama?)
(Who is behind all this wastefulness? Surely the people on the board can't be all this stupid on their own, can they? Remember all their talk about a declining population and declining enrollment?)
Have to modify duct work.
Don't do asphalt the man said, do concrete it's a little more expensive about $110 a yard he said. (Do You believe that? Just a tiny Google disclosed that it is not that simple. I don't have time to dig into it real deep right now. But check this out! "Concrete parking lot cost is determined by strict calculated method rather than a simple square foot price" There is much, much more. Read more at: http://www.allaboutparkinglots.com/concrete-parking-lots/faqs/concrete-installation/concrete-parking-lot-cost/ this even tells you what is involved in the extra costs and how the work may be performed. I do believe it will cost considerably more than $110 a yard. The school board of construction needs to do some homework so they know what they are doing, don't you think? Oh well it's only money, your money and my money, right?)
Replace stage lighting with LED lighting. Expensive up front costs. (Really you say? Just money, nothing but money --- to replace something that is working, and at great expense. Good job.)
20,000 square foot additions at an estimated cost of $3,300,000.00 (Where is the money coming from? Raise the property taxes, yeah! And like Obama wants to do raise the debt ceiling, right? Wouldn't that be remove the limit the board can raise your taxes every year --- just have no limit ---- go for the gold (more on that momentarily))
The man said, "these are very generic $ COSTS. The prices do not take into account inflation and since the construction would not be complete until 2021 (really 2021, so the board will be raising our property taxes every year to build the school they were told not to build. They are just doing it in piece meal. Build---Raise taxes, Build---raise taxes. Good job board of construction and destruction of property values due to extremely high property taxes.)
One board member said, "It seems like we are spending a lot of money to make new administration offices and suggested leaving the where they are. (Finally, someone says something that makes sense. Why not take that a little further and say it seems like we are spending a lot of money to build a Taj Mahal for a declining enrollment. Really does it make any sense at all to build bigger with fewer students? Why heck last year West Elk Wanted Elk Valley to join students together for football because they didn't think they would have enough boys to make a team. Elk Valley said heck yes, bring your boys on over. West Elk said no you bring your boys over to Howard. That is how bad things were last year. West Elk went to Elk Valley but then backed out. I guess they must have pressured enough boys into playing.)
There is so much more the board is willing to pay top dollar for and if you look at the list that is placed in with the pictures you will see for yourself. All this expense is just the start. They apparently are not considering the increase in maintenance costs, maybe more employees (oh nice making jobs) at taxpayer's expense. More and continuous expense for electricity and water and air-conditioning, and I'm sure I'm not covering all the other additional expenses that go along with this. But that's alright it's just money, but will there be any money left to pay teachers? Perhaps we can have home schooling in a fancy building with expensive carpeting which will need to be replaced in five years. And all will be well.
Overheard in the audience, let's put gold plated urinals and toilets in the building (that was me by the way) the person I said that to said, what do you mean at these costs ya gotta have solid gold ones. Go baby go --- go spend go --- it's only money.
The school employee let me know they needed legal advice when I asked for a copy of a document that is and was public information, so I was made to wait.
Perhaps our school board needs some legal advice or some kind of advice, what do you think?
Perhaps a state audit of West Elk USD 282 is over due? The state did a voluntary audit for Kansas City and saved the school district and property owners and taxpayers and voters millions of dollars. And I do believe it is done free of charge, I'd have to research that though.
Private Message me if you think this has gone on long enough and think an audit might be in need. I will not disclose those who contact me. Lets talk. Before any more money is wasted.
I know for a fact that there were more than enough boys to play football at West Elk, both on the Jr. high and high school teams. It was Elk Valley that did not have enough boys and had to cancel all of their games. And not one single boy was pressured to play for West Elk. I know you will ask where do I get my information. I have family members that are on both teams.
Quote from: daisy on August 13, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
I know for a fact that there were more than enough boys to play football at West Elk, both on the Jr. high and high school teams. It was Elk Valley that did not have enough boys and had to cancel all of their games. And not one single boy was pressured to play for West Elk. I know you will ask where do I get my information. I have family members that are on both teams.
That's your opinion and that's fine with me.
I know for a fact that Elk Valley played their games last year.
And I know from authorities what I said was truthful.
So I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
Thanks Daisy
The Elk Valley Jr.. High (7 th and 8 th grade) played. I remember that. A very rainy, cold game with West Elk jr. High. West Elk Jr. High (7th and 8th grade) had more than enough players, and Elk Valley Jr. High had just enough for a team. However, the Elk Valley high school (9 th through 12 th grades) did not have a football season due to not enough players. West Elk high school did have a full season with enough players for jr, varsity and varsity teams.
Quote from: daisy on August 13, 2013, 03:22:00 PM
The Elk Valley Jr.. High (7 th and 8 th grade) played. I remember that. A very rainy, cold game with West Elk jr. High. West Elk Jr. High (7th and 8th grade) had more than enough players, and Elk Valley Jr. High had just enough for a team. However, the Elk Valley high school (9 th through 12 th grades) did not have a football season due to not enough players. West Elk high school did have a full season with enough players for jr, varsity and varsity teams.
So it really is all about sports.
Oh well.
Sports and construction should be way down the list from education, shouldn't they?
There you have it. I posted the actual pay for West Elk USD 282 employees.
But, I question the validity of it because of the games played with me trying to get it and the pay to a couple of people.
First, when I asked for the information the West Elk Staff sent me a scale that showed yearly pay raise steps. Yes, I posted it over there on BOX for you to view. It is public information like everything else I have posted over there. Why do you think they mailed me that with out the $.25 per page and paid the postage and used an envelope, instead of calling me or waiting for me to drop by and pick it up? My opinion is they were simply trying to appease me and hope I would not ask for what I really wanted and had already asked for. You surely don't think they are dumb enough not to understand, do you?
When I resubmitted the same request I said I was not interested in the names of the people. Well the Superintendent told me personally without the names it would take a lot of hand work and take a lot of time. I explained to him it was not my intent to create unnecessary work so if it easier to include the names do so. Well guess what? They charged me for 4 hours of work at $16.35 per hour. Now just imagine, I told the Superintendent not to remove the names because of the excess work it would make, so that makes it pretty simple doesn't it. The bookkeeper should be able to sit down to her computer key board and tap a couple of keys and bring up the proper spread sheet, accounting file for last year and then simply tell the computer with a couple more clicks to tell it to print, right? Just where do they come up with four hours worth of hand compilations from?
No, I don't believe a word of it. They continue to prove they can not be trusted, IMHO.
They called and left a message on my phone that the information I requested was ready and that I would have to pay $65.71 for it. I think they were hoping, I would not show up, guess what they were wrong. I find their attitude very shameful; don't take me wrong they are always very, very polite. But that does not change attitude.
West Elk says they want community involvement, but I really don't think they do. What do you think?
While looking at the pay records they gave me, please, notice that it says the School Superintendent only made $29,846.45 and as director of SPED he was paid another $71,500 ( I believe that SPED stands for Special Educational Director). For a total of $101,346.45 now you need to remember the additional expenses involved with that figure. The extra employment benefits like health insurance, paid vacations and something like 7% the employer pays into social security. I'm not sure, I know all of the expenses of an employee; you can help me out here if you wish. This man is extremely expensive for only having a very small school to deal with, IMHO!
But really back to the Salary of the School Superintendent position which pays only $29,846.45. I just don't understand why the Superintendent positions pays less than his subordinate the school principle, the School Principal made $71,312.81? Now that is totally weird IMO! Go figure!
And how many paras does it take to get a great school rather than just an average school?
Would 52 be enough? Count them for your self, please! I could have counted wrong.
Oh, wrong thing to ask, ya get a better school with a bigger building, right?
A building that can hold maybe 1200 kids, do you think that might work?
Do you think that might make for better grades?
Well the building of the new grade school will apparently take about 8 years while the school enrollment continues to decline. But where are they going to get all that extra money to pay 3.3 million dollars to pay for the construction and don't forget the expense of inflation that would need to be added on. And the items they overlook and need to be added in. Where is all that money coming from?
Might I suggest by increasing your property tax by 4 mil every year for the next 8 years.
Providing that they are unable to get that cap raised. If they manage to get the cap removed, they could go to 6 or 8 or even 10 mil each year, what would there be to stop them? As it is right now to exceed mil they have to ask you for permission by vote, by election.
Oh, they have every intention of making their Taj Mahal and won't stop at anything as long as everyone sits back and says nothing. They don't even want me to provide public documents for you to read; why you think they charged me $65.71 for 5 simple pages.
There have been numerous views and numerous downloads of the documents I have provided. Today alone it has been hit on over fifty times and a lot of downloads.
My Thanks to the people that are interested and reading or down loading the information, it makes my expense well worth while.
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Upon looking at your pay information I could not come up with W.E. having 52 paras. There were about half of that for W.E. and the rest were for Elk Valley and Chautauqua County schools. Are you aware that USD 282 runs the special education cooperative for W.E., Elk Valley, and Chautauqua County schools? And Mr. Moore is in charge of the coop, and his salary is divided among the three districts. Each district pays their portion to the coop and paychecks are issued through West Elk to all special Ed employees for all three districts. Thought that info might be helpful to you.
Quote from: daisy on August 13, 2013, 08:15:20 PM
Upon looking at your pay information I could not come up with W.E. having 52 paras. There were about half of that for W.E. and the rest were for Elk Valley and Chautauqua County schools. Are you aware that USD 282 runs the special education cooperative for W.E., Elk Valley, and Chautauqua County schools? And Mr. Moore is in charge of the coop, and his salary is divided among the three districts. Each district pays their portion to the coop and paychecks are issued through West Elk to all special Ed employees for all three districts. Thought that info might be helpful to you.
Oh yea I knew Mr. Moore is in charge of the coop and yes I know his salary is divided by W.E., Elk Valley, and Chautauqua County schools? And when I was running for school board I was informed the W.E. pays 75%.
Why isn't this public information made available on the W.E. web site?
They have all that very expensive technology that we the taxpayers pay for?
Don't they know how to use it or is it they want to keep it secret unless some one is forced to pay outrageous prices for it?
Just like all the crap going on with the construction of a new grade school building with one section over here and one section over there. What is with that bullshit? They asked the voters via a bond issue and were told no. Don't they understand? I think they do but I think they have a problem understanding right from wrong and they over see the school our children go to, really!
They choose to ignore what the people vote for or against, don't they believe in democracy?
Don't they believe in the American Way?
I don't think so.
Much like our present President aren't they. Forget the constitution , forget honesty, forget morals is that the key to success in whatever you want regardless of the consequences? And people wonder what is wrong with our country. Really?
I suppose you support this attitude, do you?
Where are they going to get the money from, please enlighten us with your knowledge and Konnections?
I truthfully want to hear from you, where is the money coming from?
Anyone, where is the $3 plus million dollars coming from for all that construction and plush carpeting?
I bet the cost will eventually reach $5 million or more just like the bond issue that was voted down?
I don't wager. But I am willing to put up $100 on this one, $5 million before it's done and over with.
Let the expensive good times for Howard roll. And another $100 that substantial growth will not result from this.
Dream on Howard, Build it and they will come was a fantasy movie, not reality.
Where is the money coming from for all the extra utilities and all the extra maintenance and extra maintenance employees?
Where?
I doubt anyone can give a better answer than I have. But if they can let's here it.
I forgot to mention, or did I mention, someone at the last school board meeting expressed concern about the grade schoolers and high schoolers sharing. Well guess what, we don't have a separate campus or separate school building for the children do we? You wanted it, you got it.
It is a unified school building centrally located in Elk County isn't it?
How is that working out for you?
Why the concern?
Can't the teachers, teach socializing between the two groups?
Remember back on the first pages of this thread and wanting to do away with City Councils and having a Unified Centrally Located Government? Remember that?
Let me remind you, Okay, ok?
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
If the West Elk Leadership can not deal with children in a unified centrally located building with one managing body, how in the heck would anyone in their right mind have thought a unified centrally located government with in Elk County would have worked?
This great idea came out of Elk Konnected's great idea of a Community Conversation. Which was simply an attempt to control the county coffers, in my opinion.
And, I believe Elk Konnected and it's followers are behind pushing for all this construction, I believe they are pushing the School Board of Construction through their members on the School Board of Education? I believe they are pushing to make this horribly expensive move to create massive debt for the taxpayers?
Remember how Elk Konnected had control of our County Commissioners by having two members on three of the Commissioners seats? Remember that? They had control, very simple. Remember how the NGO abused the Counties resources; something to think about isn't it? All the information is available in the pages of this thread all you need to do is go back and read it, if you have forgotten or didn't know for some reason.
We are short one School Board member right now because of a resignation and I am pretty certain we have three Elk Konnected people on the school board now, maybe more. Will we have another when the vacancy is filled? Yes, I think it is something to worry about don't you?
Go back to page one and see how many of Elk Konnected's big idea's have been accomplished I think you will find none. Except for possibly a couple that were accomplished after Elk Konnected lost control of the County Commissioners Board.
And the ones that did get accomplished were only common sense that would have and should have happened anyway.
So I wonder is this massive debt that the school board of construction or trying to heap on us is one of Elk Connecter's schemes to accomplish their goal of improving the "Quality of Life" in Elk County. Surely you can understand why I think that way?
If not visit their web site and page one of this threads?
Where is the money coming from?
Come on School Board of Construction, you educated leaders of the community, surely you can make a statement and post it on the West Elk web site and /or put it in the local newspaper,
Really we need something; we don't get any information in the School Board Meeting minutes. You were elected to work for the citizens and taxpayers of the school district and part of that work is to answer to them. So let's have some answers? Where are the transparency and the communications?
Where is the money coming from?
If you have no answers
You should cease and desist
This would be the only sensible thing to do.
Stop the hiding or stop the construction! Where is the money coming from?
Why do you insist on violating the voter's right to say no?
That's what you are doing?
You want to build the grade school that was voted down! Simply by building it in sections as wings to the present building. Trickery doesn't change a thing you are violating the voter's rights in my opinion and that is down right unpatriotic and sneaky.
Don't you believe in government of the people, by the people and for the people? Which is provided by voting. Don't you believe in the patriotic way? Don't you believe in the fact that our military fights for the right of the people to vote and control their governing bodies ? If you do why skirt it?
That is a very shameful attitude in my opinion and we are to trust you with the education of our children? Is this what you want our children to learn? To skirt what they don't like? To be unpatriotic, to ignore the voters? Really? Where is the honesty and the transparency?
I hope you ask God's forgiveness every night for these wrongs, when you lay down for sleep.
Oh, perhaps this is why I was charged the exorbitant amount of $65.71 for five simple pages, because I won't shut up, don't you think? And perhaps because they don't want you to have the information.
I notice there is still a large amount of downloads and views at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f and I appreciate that.
It makes my expense well worthwhile; it shows an interest by the public.
Once again Mr. Ross, the ideas from page one came from many citizens of Elk County. Nancy
Quote from: K.R. on August 14, 2013, 09:14:21 AM
Once again Mr. Ross, the ideas from page one came from many citizens of Elk County. Nancy
You may believe what you want, that is perfectly okay.
But to continue singing the tune will not make it so.
The ideas came out of a supposedly Community Conversation that was an Elk Konnected function and they were so proud of it, it was in the newspaper and posted on their website. It was more of an Elk Konnected meeting with Elk Konnected having the County Sheriffs there to back them up in their total control of their meeting. The meeting was facilitated from the President of Public Squares Communities and at that time Public Squares Communities President and his NGO were located in Leoti, Kansas. He was mot even a local person, but from 339 miles away, 5 hours and 33 minutes by car/ Nat a thing local about him was there? Please keep that in mind and continue reading?
Sure they claim they were invited to hold the meeting by the Elk Konnected Kounty Commissioners, don't you recognize the complicity of the situation and how that cast a shadow over the whole thing?
And in my opinion it was not a Community Conversation it was an orchestrated circus of numerous circles of chairs and we have no idea whether the suggestions came from one person or from Elk Konnected only.
Are you assuming everyone is dumb enough to continue to believe the whole farce? I would think if they were their would be so much support for the NGO that they would still bein control of our county government and we would still be wasting money on a Youth Development and Economic Development position and still handing out county money to Elk Konnected. Do you?
Once again Nancy, I am sorry you continue to believe. But that is your right and your privilege and I won't stand in your way, but also I won't accept it as fact with out absolute proof. Can you provide absolute proof?
I really don't think so.
None of the very few Elk Konnected Followers ever have.
School officials in Chicago said they underutilized schools that are being closed.
In other words they spent tax dollar to over do, to build more than they actually needed, didn't they?
Apparently they didn't recognize the difference between WANT and Need did they?
Did the School Officials in Chicago use critical thinking when they did all that wasted spending?
Our school board basically said they did not need a grade school and shut down two of them.
Was that critical thinking?
Now they are saying they need a grade school but at the cost millions of taxpayer dollars.
Is that implementing critical thinking?
There is still a school building in Moline that Moline would probably return to the school district for the one dollar bill the school district sold it to them for. And that would save millions of dollars. Now this would only make sense to taxpayers and the Community of Moline in my opinion! Critical thinking? Maybe thinking of the other communities of Elk County!
But does the school board have the common sense and the critical thinking to save millions?
I don't think so. What do you think?
Does the School Board of Construction have $3 or 4 million dollars to spend, Heck no!
If they do, show it to us?
No, I don't think so!
But they have your property to tax and tax and tax. Don't they?
I think they will probably prefer to make us Number 1 in the State of Kansas once again, as the highest taxed county in Kansas.
That is really something to brag about isn't it.
"Build It And They Will Come" is that the new motto for Howard and the taxpayers?
Can't you just see people flocking here to Howard to be able to send their children to a great big school building, with only a grade of average from the state and the highest property taxes in the state?
Can't you just see good teachers clamoring to come to Howard for the same reasons?
After all it's that critical thinking the school board wants to teach our children isn't it?
Can we have some rock-n-roll music with our property tax increases?
Or do we have to put up with violin music?
It's only critical thinking isn't it, that the taxpayers get something while they are being screwed?
Once again Mr.Ross the suggestions came from many citizens of Elk County. Call any of the commissioners or Dana Mills for your proof. Since you were not present at the meeting any of these 3 people can verify the information. Nancy
Once again Nancy believe what you want.
Where is the documentation?
Who said what?
It was all secret, so you can say what you will and believe what you will and I will believe what I will, Okay!
I said we can agree to disagree, I can't do no more than that without documentation because of the control factors at the Elk Konnected Meeting called a Community Conversation. It was also a three ring circus with quite a few more rings.
I know they called the sheriff on me simply because I wanted to ask the outsider from Leoti a couple of question, I assume he was afraid to answer openly in public because he told me he would talk with me outside. I left of my own free will and spoke with the deputies outside of the building and they were terrific. There was absolutely no problem. Except with the outsider from Leoti being fearful of answering a few questions in public. No, no community conversation was held a circus was.
That man also tried to intimidate a number of people and failed terribly. A good number of people just ignored him, I bet you didn't see that either, did you?
Go on believing what you will. I am definitely not here to tell you what to believe. I'm not here to tell anyone what to believe.
I don't even ask them to believe that the documents posted at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f are genuine. They have the ability to determine that for themselves. And if they have doubts they can go to the schools admin office and request their own copy or ask the office to verify the documents. I do have the original copies given to me by the school and I am hanging on to them.
And that brings me to the point to thank everyone that is downloading and previewing the documents.
You make me proud of Elk County citizens and lets me know you are interested. Good Job!
Even though I know you don't need me telling you, keep it up.
If there is anything in particular you would like to see, let me no by private message or openly right here on this thread and I will do my best to get it and post it. If you private message me I promise not to divulge who you are, if that is your desire.
Oh lest I forget disciplinary actions and student records are not public information and can not be requested.
Well they can be, but they would be denied.
Let's do a little review of what has been going on since Meeting that Elk Konnected had their Kommunity Konversation concerning the West Elk USD 282' financial status.
But first does Elk Konnected fall into this category?
Ask yourself, please? Quote from: Patriot on October 29, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
Originally published in Eco-Logic Online in 1997:
In communities across America, "stakeholder" councils are being formed, or have already been formed, to advance Agenda 21 to transform cities and towns into "sustainable communities." The "consensus process" is used to gain the appearance of public support for the principles of sustainability, applied to a particular community. The process is designed to take the public policy- making function away from elected officials and place it in the hands of non-elected officials, while giving the appearance of broad public input into the decision-making process.
Stakeholder councils are called by many names and are created for a variety of specific purposes. Whatever they are called, and whatever the stated purpose for which they are created, they all have several common characteristics, and all have a common objective: the implementation of some component of Agenda 21. While each community may experience a variety of different approaches, it is necessary to recognize the common principles that guide all such councils...
...The general objective of all stakeholder councils is to promote three primary values: environmental protection, equity, and sustainable economic development. To promote these values, a comprehensive "community" plan must be developed which links, or "integrates," all three values. In some communities, stakeholder councils are formed to work on a single component of a comprehensive plan that is to be combined with the work of other councils that may be working on different components in different geographical areas of the same community. The various councils may or may not know about the work of other councils that is underway simultaneously.
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Full Article: http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/sustainable_development/the_consensus_process_20060603181/ (http://www.freedomadvocates.org/articles/sustainable_development/the_consensus_process_20060603181/)
Quote from: ROSS on March 14, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
Here is the desperation, I have referred to many times on the Elk Konnected thread and no little NGO begging for money can fix it.
I hope you will click on the link at the bottom and read the whole article.
Census: Record 1 in 3 US counties are now dyin
By HOPE YEN | Associated Press
WASHINGTON (AP) — A record number of U.S. counties — more than 1 in 3 — are now dying off, hit by an aging population and weakened local economies that are spurring young adults to seek jobs and build families elsewhere.
New 2012 census estimates released Thursday highlight the population shifts as the U.S. encounters its most sluggish growth levels since the Great Depression.
The findings also reflect the increasing economic importance of foreign-born residents as the U.S. ponders an overhaul of a major 1965 federal immigration law. Without new immigrants, many metropolitan areas such as New York, Chicago, Detroit, Pittsburgh and St. Louis would have posted flat or negative population growth in the last year.
Read more at http://news.yahoo.com/census-record-1-3-us-counties-now-dying-040238347.html
Quote from: ROSS on November 27, 2012, 11:54:12 AM
Special School Board Meeting
Nov 26, 2012
Goal Setting with Facilitator Dr. James C. Christman
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The man says there will be three questions later:
1. Who is responsible? (Really? These elected officials don't know already?)
2. What is the timeline for accomplishing the Goals? (Wasn't it already discussed as a 5 year plan?)
3. How do you know when you are satisfied with the plan? (Is this rocket science?)
The man then says tonight we are not going to talk about $'s or efficiency, we are going to talk about what you the board members want, if you can have it. (The man keeps saying tonight we are not going to talk about money, as if he is going to return, later I learn this is the truth. He will be returning several times, but at what cost to the tax payers?)
He writes as the board members take turns, he writes their wants down on the big piece of paper, the papers are taped to the wall:
Construction Grade School/Second Gym (Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President)
Better Grade School Facilities (Keep this in mind)
Promote West Elk on Individual and Corporate Levels (made by the konnected board President. Would that mean with your NGO)
Education of Children (It would seem to me that would have been mentioned right off the bat as the main goal.)
At this point the man said, we name every dollar.
Continuing with wants
A 10 Year Plan to Allow For Saving For It
1. Facility Maintenance and Construction (can you see where this is going, keep watching)
4. Teach Critical Thinking (good board member IMHO)So he writes Issues on the big piece of paper and writes what the school board members say. They are:
Finances $
Public Relations With the Community~ ~ ~The man says we will discuss methods later.
History
Community Division
Make School Center of Community (Which Community)
Construction Grade School/Second Gym (Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President)
Well are you ready for the, and from, the first list of wants, Construction Grade School/Second Gym (Keep this in mind) (konnected Board President).
I have been hearing on the street about building a wing onto the school for a grade school and a gym. How's that for coincidence?
They are worried about finances and lowering the mill levy, where is that critical thinking when you need it?
With the national and international financial crisis and the fiscal cliff and austerity, yes austerity right here at home in the USA and in Kansas and our recession/depression, what the heck is going on with the thinking? Some body help me out here, please? They want to build a grade school and new gym and lower the mill levy how can they do that?
Sounds a lot like elk konnected, llc to me, how about you> They do have a konnected School Board President and who knows which others are konnected?
And to place us further in debt and raise our taxes every year for the next eight years will accomplish what? Don't forget massive inflation possible when the Federal Reserve starts reducing the $85 Billion a month QE3.
Before Elk Konnected had control of West Elk USD 282:
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2012, 02:46:43 PM
The school board for USD 282 has voted NOT to participate in the Elk County Neighborhood Revitalization tax rebate plan.
Apparently, a majority of board members, after review & consideration, have decided against rebating portions of their tax revenues to a selected few citizens in Elk County. I understand the vote was 4-2 against with David Whetstone (Elk Konnected LLC steering committee member & major point of contact) voting with one other member in favor of participation.
See even the School Board voted against reducing taxes for a few, except the liberals.
They sure made a liar out of Rudy didn't they:
Quote from: Rudy Taylor on November 03, 2009, 08:44:14 PM
West Elk voters turn down bond issue, 622-375
Voters in West Elk USD 282 soundly turned down the $5.55 million bond proposal to consolidate all school facilities onto one campus in balloting on Tuesday.
The final result: Yes 375 votes, and No 622 votes.
This will bring to a halt plans to construct a new elementary school in Howard and the eventual closure of grade schools in Severy and Moline.
The USD 282 Board of Education will hold its regular monthly meeting on Monday night, Nov. 9, at 7:30 p.m. Board members must now decide which direction to take as the school continues with its three-campus school district.
WEST ELK VOTERS SAY A FIRM "NO" ON TUESDAY
And we had this from an Elk Konnected Follower:
Quote from: flintauqua on November 03, 2009, 10:45:09 PM
F You!
Even back then I think Patriot knew something was brewing:
Quote from: Patriot on November 03, 2009, 09:26:40 PM
Back to the main topic of this thread.....
Now that the 5.5 million dollar 'Plan A' has failed, does anybody want to prognosticate what the unpublished, undiscussed 'Plan B' will entail and how much it will cost?
The School Board was working secretly weren't they?
Ya just can't trust anyone these days can you?
Remember Rudy said, "This will bring to a halt plans to construct a new elementary school in Howard and the eventual closure of grade schools in Severy and Moline." He must have been left out of the loop.
Quote from: Tobina+1 on October 28, 2007, 10:55:40 AM
The biggest obstacle that will be faced is the "naysayers" and people who can't get over rifts from years gone by between all the cities within the county. If the future of the county is to move in a postive direction, so must attitudes.
Yes I agree! When does the city of Howard remove their name from the West Elk Schools Sports agenda's at games?
When does the City of Howard give West Elk it sport accomplishment signs and place them on the highway at the School?
So when does the City of Howard amend their attitude and end the rift?
Quote from: Tobina+1 on October 28, 2007, 10:55:40 AM
Here's another couple tidbits from an Elk Konnected survey:
"Strong Support for Education" (ranked in 1st place on the list)
% of people who rated 1-excellent or 2-good:
Elk county: 74%
Grenola: 74%
Elk Falls: 45%
Longton 87%
Moline: 77%
Howard: 88%
Severy: 100%
"Willingness to invest in the future" (ranked in last place on the list)
% of people who rated 1-excellent or 2-good:
Elk County: 21%
Grenola: 21%
Elk falls: 27%
Longton: 13%
Moline: 27%
Howard: 26%
Severy: 43%
By saying,
"Willingness to invest in the future" didn't they mean
Construction?Nothing here about supporting Construction only Education.
Notice the numbers for spending money foolishly, called, "Willingness to invest in the future".
Don't you think the people voting realized that?
Or Perhaps at the meeting they used the words addressing construction? There were bigger percentages against the idea apparently, but not shown.Sorta like that old joke:
The USSR and the USA were in a race today with Russia coming in second and the USA cane in next to last.
Even Elk Konnected asks:
Quote from: Tobina+1 on November 06, 2008, 09:33:52 AM
Remember: Who, What, When, Where, Why!
But left out the
"HOW" ! How are they going to come up with the money?
Isn't
EDUCATION what they should be discussing rather than construction? We have a building to support 600 students and only have 319 enrolled --- down from 330 or more.
Outgoing Kansas Board of Education member questions state test standards
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2012/11/24/2579419/outgoing-kansas-board-of-education.html#storylink=cpy
No it's more important for the liberals to push sports than education, that's why the construction, mainly for sports, a new gymnasium the rest is incidental. Consider the proposed contract with the Church of God at $1000.00 a month to rent as a gymnasium that would be $7000.00 a school year for sports. West Elk has been doing just fine for two years without all that expensive luxury. How much money has been spent on that really fancy track, that fancy football field, the baseball field? Some of it may have been donated but that does not alleviate the maintenance expense does it? If you think something might be free think again. Is this Beverly Hills; are we to pay for someone else's fantasies?
Are you going to continue to allow these arrogantly ignorant, non-caring, non-critical thinking liberals continue to tell you your vote does not count? By arrogantly ignorant, I mean they are arrogant enough to ignore the voters.
Just because they are not building a stand alone building changes nothing.
It just means they are being shifty; they are building the same building a wing at a time onto the existing building.
They are being deceptive to us --- you and me, and mostly to themselves.
They are in my opinion believing their own lies --- that being they are not listening to the voters.
They are in my opinion believing their own lies --- That they believe in DEMOCRACY or the REPUBLIC.
In my opinion they are operating in the same deceptive way that our Federal Government is operating.
And surely they don't like that out of the Federal Government.
"What does it matter now", that American's were abandoned and left to die at Benghazi. Really! Ever heard of truth and honesty? What does it matter if the IRS is secretly harassing people? Really! Ever heard of truth and honesty?
What does it matter if the School Board uses Trickery to ignore the VOTERS? Ever heard of truth and honesty?
By ignorant, I mean they are apparently ignorant to the fact they are elected to serve the voters, not to serve them up.
The VOTERS said, NO.
What part of NO is it they don't understand?
My teenage son pulls the same stunts and I have to ask him, what part of NO is it you don't understand.
So why is the school board throwing away our tax dollars acting like adolescent children.
Oh, I know this will make them mad, just like it makes my son mad.
How do you define the word RESPONSIBILITY, school board members?
Who are you RESPONSIBLE to as school board members?
Is it your RESPONSIBILE to twist things to build the building that the voters said 'NO' to?
Please read Rudy's remark quoted above he said, "This will bring to a halt plans to construct a new elementary school in Howard and the eventual closure of grade schools in Severy and Moline." He fully understood the voters didn't he?
But you failed to understand the voters or chose to ignore the voters.
That is totally wrong.
Do you think your board is a dictatorship?
If not it is time for some tall explaining isn't it?
In my opinion your attitude and actions have been totally SHAMEFUL.
So where is the MONEY coming from? Are you planning to raise our taxes every year for the next ten years?
Come on you Elk Konnected followers that know everything enlighten those of us that don't know.
How about you Elk Konnected members of the School Board can't you speak up as Elk Konnected or are you to ashamed to do so?
I am ready to take a stomping on anything I have said that may be wrong, bring it on Elk Konnected and followers if I am wrong. Tell me to apologize and why I should do so.
Speak up, speak out.
Don't just say:
WEST ELK VOTERS SAY A FIRM "NO" ON TUESDAY
And we had this from an Elk Konnected Follower:
Quote from: flintauqua on November 03, 2009, 10:45:09 PM
F You!
West Elk claims to be doing above average.
And I made a remark of just a little above average and was asked where I got that it was a little above average.
Well I didn't answer, but no one seemed to know exactly what was meant by above average.
My curiosity was peaked and I had to dig for the answer and I discovered something.
To try to make themselves look good West Elk claims to be doing above average, but the best I can find that the state grades with is "% standard or above" so if you flip the words around and leave out the "or" you have a different meaning, don't you?
Lets look at what this means and how it is used:
For 2012 Grade 10 Math there was 66.7 percent of the students that were performing at standard or above.
What does that mean?
That means 33.7 percent of the students that were performing below standard, doesn't it?
This does not tell you how many are "A" students or "F" students does it?
To me that leaves a lot to be desired. It is a lack of true and understandable information in my opinion.
The students are graded on an "A" through "F" scale right, why not the schools?
So wouldn't a Grade of "C" be considered as standard?
Would that mean 33.7 percent were getting "D" an "F" ? Just Asking, because I'd really like to know.
33.7 percent below average seems awful high to me.
The numbers were almost identical for 2011.
For 2012 Reading Grade 3 was 78.6 percent of the students were performing at standard or above.
What does that mean?
That means 21.4 percent of the students were performing below standard, doesn't it?
Shouldn't the School Board of Education be working on this, rather than the School Board of Construction working against the voters?
The state shows enrollment for 2011 at 334 students.
The state shows enrollment for 2012 at 326 Students. A 9.8% decline from 2011.
The School principal stated they have an enrollment this year at 319. A 9.8% decline from 2012.
Do you see the decline in enrollment?
How about a math teacher check my math for me, please. I think I may have made an error, even though I keep getting the same answer.
I could not find a number of the students for the various grades, so I can't break the percentages down to the number of students.
Don't believe it? Use this link to build your own custom report for West Elk:
http://cpfs.ksde.org/cpfs/custom_rpts.aspx
Also have a look at this web page http://svapp15586.ksde.org/rcard/dist_assess.aspx?assess_type=1&org_no=D0282&grade=99&subgroup=1
Oh I spoke with a lady from the Kansas State Department of Education and she informed me that unless the school board has the funds in the general account, or takes the funds out of other accounts (i.e. the students education funds or transportation funds) they would have to have another bond issue. Which would mean you the voters would have to approve a major tax hike. Of course we will vote noto a TajMahal for Howard, right?
So why don't they concentrate on improving education for the students, the way I see it there is plenty of room for improvement.
Just something to think about, isn't it Elk Konnected, do something for the kids in education, right?
Instead of lollipops.
Quote from: ROSS on August 16, 2013, 01:56:59 PM
The state shows enrollment for 2011 at 334 students.
The state shows enrollment for 2012 at 326 Students. A 9.8% decline from 2011.
The School principal stated they have an enrollment this year at 319. A 9.8% decline from 2012.
Do you see the decline in enrollment?
How about a math teacher check my math for me, please. I think I may have made an error, even though I keep getting the same answer.
I checked your math, and it is in error. 334-326=8 8/334=.02395 or 2.40% 326-319=7 7/326=.0215 or 2.15%
I'm not a math teacher, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 16, 2013, 03:37:19 PM
I checked your math, and it is in error. 334-326=8 8/334=.02395 or 2.40% 326-319=7 7/326=.0215 or 2.15%
I'm not a math teacher, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Thanks.
I guess I had my tin foil hat on upside down.
It didn't seem right.
Messed up the formula big time.
But it is a decline just the same.
Good job.
Wonder why I scream educate the children instead of erect a Taj Mahal?
If you follow the national news you have read about school districts with serious financial problems and they are mainly due to overspending on construction and are now shutting down buildings. One school building was said to have only 35 students, brilliant huh?
But what is worse kids end up going to college on a couple of small scholarships and getting college loans and can't even understand the contracts they are signing.
But who cares?
Do the educators care?
Do the School Boards care?
Does our school board care?
Do you want all the children educated or overspending needlessly to build a Taj Mahal, you decide what Quality of Life means for your children?
Quality of Life for the children does not come from building a Taj Mahal?
Quality of Life for these children will come from the Education they receive and nothing else.
I had a teenager tell me look I got a free credit card in the mail, I had to break the sad news to him that they are not free, that they can be a very painful trap. I told him to read the fine print in the letter that came with it. 18% interest with the possibility of going as high as 28%. Free, I don't think so.
Leaders appear to leading children down the wrong path in my opinion.
With big ideas of building unnecessary Taj Mahals as schools and creating unnecessary debt. Spend, spend, spend what you don't have. Spend frivolously what is not yours to spend. What shameful leadership in my opinion.
Here is a very interesting story about the knowledge of college students and their knowledge of those loans and how they don't repay them. Is college really worth the debt. How many college students with loans does it take working at McDonalds before people wise up.
Student Loan Crisis Secret: This May be the Unexpected Solution
By Juliette Fairley
NEW YORK (MainStreet)—More than 7 million consumers are in default on federal or private student loans, according to a new study, and standardized financial illiteracy is on the horizon to stop it in future generations.
The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) found that student loans now outpace credit cards as the highest level of consumer debt.
In the U.S., existing student loan debt is estimated at $1.2 trillion.
Default typically occurs when a loan receives no payment for 270 days. New collection costs are then added to the loan's balance, and the loan becomes more expensive than its original principal. The added costs can only be reduced or eliminated through negotiation or legal action.
According to the U.S. Department of Education, 37 million Americans currently have outstanding student loans and 11% of all student loans are at least 90 days delinquent.
"We strongly believe in the importance of communication and financial education that helps students better understand the serious ramifications of defaults, delinquencies and forbearance," said Pat Morris, CEO of ACA International, an association of credit and collections professionals.
Problem is many Americans are illiterate when it comes to finances.
A John Hancock Survey found that 46% of respondents who answered a literacy quiz earned a failing grade with 22% earning a D and 23% receiving an F.
While some were able to select correct answers to questions about financial concepts or product definitions, most exhibited significant knowledge gaps.
For example, only 37% were able to choose the correct answer when asked about an optimal retirement savings strategy.
About 94% of those surveyed properly identified the definition of asset allocation and 85% understood dollar cost averaging but only 62% understand that the price of a bond or bond fund decreases as interest rates rise.
"It is critical that children learn the grammar of economics and finance, the specialized language that describes how our economy operates," said Nan J. Morrison, president and CEO of Council for Economic Education (CEE). "Without that proficiency, they are likely to remain on the periphery of their own potential."
Currently, only four states require a minimum of one semester of financial literacy education in primary and secondary school and only 20 states require that the topic be taught within another subject area.
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There is much more to read at http://www.mainstreet.com/article/moneyinvesting/education-planning/student-loan-crisis-solution-may-be-unexpected-solution?puc=unitedonli&cm_ven=UNITEDONLI
From the MINUTES-of the Budget Hearing of the West Elk USD #282 Board of Education, held
Monday, August 8, 2011, at 7:00 p.m. At the West Elk District Office, Howard, Kansas.
WILLIAM SAILORS – SCHOOL EFFICIENCY
William Sailors from the Center for Innovative School Leadership (CISL) housed at ESU
Was present to discuss conducting a school efficiency audit.
Bellar moved to ask ESU to conduct the efficiency audit of West Elk and the West Elk
Special Education Coop at a cost of $2000.00. Walker seconded and the motion failed
(2-5) Whetstone, Hare, Black, Townsley and Hilton voted no.
Whetstone moved to table conducting the efficiency audit. Hare seconded and the
Motion passed unanimously. (7-0)
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What is the problem with getting a school efficiency audit performed?
Are they afraid they might learn something?
Is it the $2000.00 price tag?
That could be paid for by no longer using school money to pay for the gratuity at each meeting. If it ain't school money that is supposed to be used for the children's education, where's the money coming from to pay for the smorgasbord?
I'm talking about the big platter of cold cuts and cheese and all the bottled water. If they are hungry and thirsty bring a drink and a sandwich from home, can't they afford to pay for their own meals?
But here is a better plan to help them improve the whole lot at West Elk USD 282 ask the state to do a voluntary audit. Kansas City did just that and it saved the taxpayers a million bucks.
I sure hope one of the board members has what it takes to broach the subject. That is unless they just want to keep spending and spending and creating debt and taxing and taxing.
I have a question for those that claim to be in the know, seriously!
Do you know if these School board Members are associated with Elk Konnected?
1. Whetstone
2. Hare
3. Black
4. Hilton
5. There is one more but that person is no longer on the board.
These are the ones that voted no on an efficiency study, by experts that could benefit the school board tremendously. Why?
They spent the same amount on a study but a private firm out of Missouri, which was not a real study at all. In my opinion a total waste of taxpayer money? Ya gotta ask your self why did they do that?
Ask yourself do you want these people building unnecessarily and raising your taxes simply because someone things with a Taj Mahal near Howard that people will move to Howard and improve Howard's economy?
West Elk was designed to house 600 students and they only have 319 enrolled.
Sure the some of the rooms may need some adjustment
But it wouldn't take building wings on to the building at the cost of millions of dollars , would it?
Why is expensive carpet a requirement?
I'm sure carpet would be less cost effective than tile.
Maintenance and wear of carpet would surely be more expensive in maintenance costs, don't you think? And Why would you replace all the a/c units, just because?
Would you replace your perfectly running a/c just because it's getting old? Would you?
Are they just doing all this just to build a gym for the purpose of supporting sports?
They have and can continue to operate like they have for the last two years, sharing the gymnasium and socializing all the children together.
Don't you suppose?
After all they didn't need the grade school they had, which had a gymnasium, they just simply shut it down?
They could reopen it, couldn't they? And save millions of dollars, but that would make sense, sorry about that.
Oh well, when they figure out how to raise the cap on the 4 mill they can raise our taxes without a vote, and then we might take notice! That's sorta like raising the debt ceiling for the Obama Liberal Federal Gov't isn't it?
They are attempting and may accomplish an end run around our vote saying no to building a new grade school of 5.5 Million by building unneeded wings. Operating just like our Federal Government ignoring the voters. Which simply means your vote does not count, aren't you proud that you voted?!
Just some thoughts and some questions. Any real answers would be appreciated!
I may be wrong but just for the sake of conversation I had to say it.
Where are they gonna get the money for all the massive expansion?
Donations like they do for sports?
Heck no, you and me the taxpayer that's where.
Millions for perhaps 150 children at most, and a new sports utility called a gymnasium?
Forget cost effectiveness or efficiency, OKAY?
Keep up the good work, Ross. Looks like the Konnection between the school board money vacuum and the taxpayers wallets is working its magic. This government/personal agenda garbage needs to stop. It sounds like many on the 282 board are believing the media lie that the economy is really getting better.
Let's remember that the county budget is responsible for only PART of the outrageous mill levy... the school districts play a big part in that too.
Just wondering... what flavors of kool aid do they serve at those board meetings?
(Let's review what happened in 2009 that Mr. Moore told the Senate Ways and Means Subcommittee on the Education Budget that led to the closing of the grade school in Moline. This by the way is still a viable building in my opinion. These excerpts are taken from that report. My thoughts, ideas and questions are in parentheses, thank you.)
USD 282 West Elk
P.O. Box 607 Howard, Kansas 67349
(620) 374-2113
Bert Moore, Superintendent
Senate Ways and Means Subcommittee on the Education Budget
February 25, 2009
West Elk USD #282 is a rural school district located in southeast Kansas. We are considered a "frontier" county with over 520 square miles contained within our boundaries. Elk County is one of the poorest counties in assessed valuation in the state. We have been experiencing a decline in our enrollment for 12 of the last 15 years resulting in a loss of nearly 200 students since the 1992-93 school year. West Elk USD #282 is the largest employer in Elk County.
(And there has been no change has there?
The present building Known as west Elk was designed to house 600 students and only has 319 children enrolled!
4 mobile buildings have been added at nearly$500,000.
The West Elk School has been functioning quite well for the last several years.
So we need a larger school building because?)
The district has been supplementing the general fund through a Local Option Budget of $900,000 as a result of our decline in enrollment. We have the ability to raise $1,500,000 through the LOB, and we will need to access the remaining $150,000 in authority as a result of our decline in enrollment.
Further reductions considered by the West Elk Board of Education to meet the 10% general fund reduction budget for 2009-10:
o Consolidate the elementary programs to one campus - @$128,000.
(This is what they told the Senate Ways and Means Subcommittee on the Education Budget that they saved by closing two buildings?
Really?
It seems they saved $128,000 to just turn around and spend nearly $500.000 on portable buildings. Does this make sense to you?)
The aging community will be forced to pick up the burden of paying more taxes through the maximization of the LOB and increases in the Capital Outlay fund.
(He said it in 2009, just exactly what has changed? How do you think they will finance $3.2 Million plus inflation and over runs on building the new grade school they want to build? I know it is not the new grade school they wanted so they are calling them wings or whatever other name they might apply! They were told no with the Bond Issue, so okay; let's just run an end play around the voters, right? I wonder whose idea that political idea belongs to?
Yes that's dirty politics, trick the people and screw 'em, that's my opinion! What do you think? Do we have dirty politicians in Elk County that will continue the course?)
The district may not be able to replace its aging buses.
(He stated this about the aging buses; I wonder have they replaced the aging buses? If not, isn't the children's safety getting to and from school a bit more important than building a Taj Mahal for Howard?
What has changed since 2009?
I would still like to know is this an Elk Konnected School Board and is the Taj Mahal of a School Elk Konnected Idea? You know like all the BIG ideas on page one of this thread? I'm just asking?)
I'd like a little assistance from someone who understands bookkeeping a bit better than I do?
I made a written request to the West Elk USD 282 requesting all pay for all employees to include overtime and summer pay for the 2012-2013 and I just don't think that is what they provided me with? It cost me $65.71 for 4 hours of work and I just feel like they avoided giving me what I wanted.
So if there are any bookkeepers that can set me straight on this I would appreciate it.
I'm thinking they either ripped me off and don't want people to know what is actually going on at West Elk USD 292 or I am completely wrong. Just go to West Elk for 2012-2013 at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Did I get what I asked for or was I ripped off by the officials and leadership?
I'm certain they understood what I was asking for because they took my hand written request and typed it up. You can read their type written request on the report and the list of pay they provided.
Any help would be appreciated, thank you.
Kansas education agency earns C-plus for spending transparency
By Travis Perry / August 29, 2013 /
MAKING THE GRADE: Kansas' education agency did better than most in terms of online spending transparency, but it's doubtful they'll boast abut the "C+" grade anytime soon.
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE — While the Kansas State Department of Education encourages students to achieve top marks in their classwork, it seems the state's chief schooling agency would do well to work on its own grade-point- average.
A new report from the Libertarian-leaning Cato Institute, a think tank based in Washington, D.C., handed KSDE a C-plus for its online presentation and availability of school spending data.
"Public schools are usually the most costly item in state and local budgets. Yet despite tremendous and persistent spending growth in the last half-century, the public vastly underestimates the true cost of public education," the report detailed. "To better understand the source of this misperception, this report examines the spending data that all 50 state education departments make available to the public on their websites. It reveals that very few state education departments provide complete and timely financial data that is understandable to the general public."
Overall, Kansas ranked 13th nationally in terms of spending transparency. States were graded based on four information categories: Per pupil expenditures, total expenditure data, average salary data and public accessibility. Nebraska was the only surrounding state to score higher, placing fifth with a B-minus.
Kansas scored poorly with regard to total spending data. According to the report, while the state offers more than a decade of information online, it's largely at the summary level. Cato also dinged Kansas for failing to go into greater depth and detail on total spending, as well as salary and pension expenditures.
KSDE officials did not immediately return calls for comment from Kansas Watchdog on Thursday.
http://watchdog.org/103590/kansas-department-of-education-earns-c-for-spending-transparency/
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My questions are?
Looks like Kansas scores above average like West Elk USD 282.
Like the Cato Institute says they need to work on raising their grades.
Do you think West Elk USD 282 can raise their grade by raising property taxes?
Do you think West Elk USD 282 can raise their grade by winning more football games?
Do you think West Elk USD 282 can raise their grade by leasing a church as a gymnasium for $1000.00 a month?
Do you suppose West Elk USD 282 might raise their grade by building a bigger building they don't need?
Do you think West Elk USD 282 can raise their grade by concentrating on improving educational properties and reducing limitations with in the system?
A little information on the Cato Institute:
The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C.
The institute was founded in December 1974 in Wichita, Kansas
Cato relocated first to San Francisco, California in 1977, then to Washington, D.C. In 1981, settling initially in a historic house on Capitol Hill.[15](p446) The Institute moved to its current location on Massachusetts Avenue in 1993. Cato Institute was named the fifth-ranked think tank in the world for 2009 in a study of think tanks by James G. McGann, PhD of the University of Pennsylvania, based on a criterion of excellence in "producing rigorous and relevant research, publications and programs in one or more substantive areas of research".
The Cato Institute is classified as a 501(c)(3) organization under U.S. Internal Revenue Code. The Institute performs no contract research and does not accept government funding. For revenue, the Institute is largely dependent on private contributions.
How about the school board working on raising the West Elk Schools State Grade way beyond average? Instead of raising taxes?
Or aren't the Board members capable of the task as a School Board of Education? Are their college degrees up to the challenge of Educating?
Well look there!
I got my monthly rag that I get for free; well really its part of my electric bill.
Nothing is really free is it!
The rag is called Kansas Country Living.
They keep printing stories that really mean nothing and say nothing in my opinion.
Like the story on page 20 about an NGO that claims association with Public Squares Communities, INC.
No it's not Elk Konnected, LLC we haven't heard anything from Elk Konnected, LLC for sometime have we?
Does it still exist?
We haven't received any lollipops in quite a while, I wonder why?
Is it because they no longer have control of the county's recreation fund?
We don't even read about them in the local newspaper? Why?
What are they doing for Elk County these days?
Heck, we don't even hear from the Elk Konnected Followers any more?
Did the Followers get tired of being lowly Followers?
Does any body know anything about Elk Konnected, LLC?
Back to my story about my free monthly rag.
This time it's is not about about a single community, in fact the only place a community is mentioned is as a foot note. LOL
This month they speak about people with disposable income. To me that is an oxymoron.
I don't know anyone with disposable income do you?
I don't care what they mean if they really mean something why don't they say it.
Do they lack the intelligence to communicate intelligently?
They talk about work force housing.
What work force?
They talk about properties being neglected resulting in lower property values?
If it bothers them, why don't they buy the property and fix em up?
A very simple solution isn't it? Get-R-Done if that's what they want!
They want higher end homes (don't they mean more expensive homes) for those with disposable incomes. (Throw away money?)
Why don't they just invest their money in their own idea, if it is such a good idea?
And government subsidized housing for those at the lower end. Don't they mean the poor when they say the lower end? Why not say it?
Oh, I know its mot politically correct Nor is it appealing to say what you actually mean, is it?
They say they went to the Grinnell, IA Chamber of Commerce to learn how to speed up the building process. Really? I hope they went there over the internet, it would save a lot of gas money and would be the GREEN thing to do, don't ya think?
Don't they have any college educated people with business educations that can tell them anything?
Don't they have any resources of their own?
Don't they have any imagination?
Don't they communicate with each other for Big Idea's?
What is their thought process?
Just let someone else think for them?
I'd like to suggest to all those Public Squares Communities, INC organizations a much faster way of getting all that building started and done. If it is really a super idea to them and if they really think it is profitable, do you reckon they think that?
Well here is my suggestion:
Have all your members form a Co-operative Investment thingy and have all your stake holders invest a minimum of say $500,000 with no cap on the maximum and get building. Building what you think everyone else should build. You do have lots of members don't you?
So that should be a breeze for you, right?
Real investors in building the Four Corners of a Community, cool!
Heck, you could even build a complete community and have everything you want everyone else to build and you would have a Utopia! Would that be cool or what?
You could even name it Four Corners Community! Big Idea don't ya think?
How are those Elk Konnected West Elk School Board Members doing with all that construction planning?
Here is an idea for them, buy the school and take it private and invest some of that money from that Co-operative Investment thingy I suggested and build whatever you want with out having to worry about the voters and taxpayers.
The poor folks could get government subsidized vouchers to attend your privately owned school.
If all that unnecessary is really a Big Idea to improve the economy it would surely be a good investment for you, wouldn't it?
Well the rag ends it's story by using someone else's idea, nothing original from these folks, IMHO!
The last paragraph says, " Next month you will hear "the rest of the story".
After reading all of this article of theirs, that I consider to be simple B.S. that led me to check out the Public Squares Communities, INC web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities where they list all their communities and I am shocked.
Didn't they have like 17 or 18 communities not long ago?
What happened? Did they consolidate the communities?
I only count 12 on their web page, Wow double WOW!
Where is their growth?
Someone tell me I'm wrong?
Someone double check and please correct me if I am wrong.
Wasn't there some communities up around Kansas City?
I'm really worried now, what is going on?
As I mentioned earlier the Elk Konnected Followers appear to have disappeared!
We can't afford to loose any more business' in Kansas can we?
There are more layoffs coming at Spirit and that's not good is it?
We may loose some of the small Inc. companies and LLC's associated with the aviation industries before it's all over!
Do we need anymore Inc's or LLC's shrinking away?
Oh my, I hope not!
I notice people are still downloading and reviewing the documents I posted at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f and I am glad they are. The more we know the better off we are.
If there is anything in particular you would like me to get and add to the data base let me know and I will do my best to oblige you.
Either post it here or PM me.
Thanks you.
School Board Meeting
Well folks I attended the West Elk School Board Meeting 0n 9/10/2013.
What school board meeting you might ask? Well they, in my best hillbilly podunk vernacular (I don't get much practice and it might make this fun reading) they call it that thar meetin such a thing! Even though they call it a school board meetin, dey got elected officials and others on that thar board don't ya see. They got a president and a vice president voted in by the board and they got their school superintendent scooted right up their at the head of the table and the secretary scooted right up dere at that thar table too, They are all right up thar within reach of all those cookies and cheese and ham and them grapes and them free bottles of water that we buy for them. Ain't that sweet. It's just like a family picknic don't cha see.
Well, I think the most important job the president has is askin people too stand and speak the Pledge of Allegiance and reading the first few lines of the minutes. But ya can't hardly hear the words he says. Nothin different from the previous president da had.
I don't think they realize that the meeting is actually ran and manipulated by the smartest man in the room, the school superintendent sitting right there at the head of their table. That man is brilliant and has great skill and manipulating and controlling abilities and good at manipulating what is going on and it is way over the heads of dem elected officials. That's my thought and my opinion. Like I've said before a word count would be very interesting.
Only the elected school board officials should be sitting at that table, but I don't think they know and understand that, forget about knowin' how to do the job. That school superintendent is supposed to be working for the school board instead of working the school board don't ya think. But as long as ignorance persists it won't change will it? The superintendent seems to have the total support of the secretary who keeps interuptin the meeting with her input and the school principle sittin' in the audience does the same thing supporting the school superintendent, what loyalty that man garnishes in. But dem Elected officials don't get it I'm a guessn', zing right over the top. And the superintendent later talks about lack of co-operation by teachers, we will get into that in a little bit.
School boards should follow some sort of rules of order, ya know like the Roberts Rules of Order (what is that)?, but not at this circus. At least, I don't see no form of order. The superintendent sittin right there at the head of the table speaking out at any ole time he wants and the same with the principle and the secretary, where is the rules of order. I guess since deyall is sittin at the table with all them goodies they are part of the School Board.
I got news for dem, they are the hired help, and they should behave as such.
What attitude. I bet people are not allowed to get out of line at one of Bert Moore's Superintendent's meetings. What do you think? And if you spoke out their Board Meeting they would have you banned from attending this thingy.
So, I sit quietly at their Superintendent's meeting, so called School Board meeting until I couldn't take it no more.
This here meetin is goin to require several posts so as ya don get bored in one sitting and, me too.
I showed up early as I usually do. I just have a problem with showin up late, even when I was working for a living, I always showed up to work 15 minutes to a half hour early. I showed up plenty early and the president of the School Board showed up shortly after I did. What a pleasant fella he is, very likeable. While walking towards the superintendents office building, I spoke with the President of the Board and I informed him that, I have a hearing problem and that even with these $3000 worth of hearing aids I had a hard time hearing what was being said. I also informed him that others had with good hearing had the same problem. Anyway, I politely asked him to ask the people at the table to speak up. He said he could do that. And I said thank you! I told him I had thought I about filing the proper papers under the American with Disabilities Act but really didn't think that was necessary and he seemed to agree.
Well, I guess after leading the Pledge of Allegiance he plumb forgot. Because, I could barely hear noise when he spoke during the meeting. He forgot to mention there were people in the audience that have hearing problems and even those that don't can't hear what's going on. So now, I guess I'll have to file the proper papers since they wish to ignore a request from a taxpaying and voting citizen. It is suppose to be a public meeting and the public is suppose to be able to hear what is going on. It suppose to be a professional meeting not a good ole boy's meeting down at the coffee shop.
I did mention they hold the School Board Meetings in the School Superintendents Office building, do you suppose that is perhaps why the School Superintendent runs the Board meetings, because it's his office building.
Where or what is the protocol of the School Board meetings? Where is the protocol? Does the school board understand protocol?
Does the school board even understand protocol?
I ask because protocol does not present itself at these school board meetings. Perhaps the city folks in Wichita are right about the podunks, do ya reckon? About our elected officials that fail to be able to run a School Board Meeting and seem to lack the ability to have a discussion amongst themselves and appear to be directed by their employee the school superintendent.
Oh, the cornfusion at these meetings would make great fodder for Larry the Cable Guy and that guy that says, You might be a Redneck IF". Jeff Foxworthy that's who would have a ball with it I'm sure.
I can not set through the full length of their circus, the performance is just to humiliating to me, to sit through the entirety of it all. I'm not required to, so they have my sympathy because they are required to continue the humility and endure it. The minutes fail to describe what actually happens, you would have to attend a few meetings to understand what I am talking about.
I'll be back with some more later.
Ya don't gotta believe a word of it, that's the gospel truth.
School Board Meeting 0n 9/10/2013.
Part 2
On the Agenda listed under Roman numeral
V. Discussion Items
A. Architect's Report – Heckman& Associates.
Well, I didn't hear or even see an Architect at the meeting.
I didn't see any documents labeled Architect's Report either.
The school board in my opinion doesn't want you to know what is going on at these open public meetings. But that is the main reason they are called open public meetings.
The school superintendent told me I had to pay money for the hand outs they have at the school board meetings. That is just not cool; in fact I think it is uncouth.
But there were a few interesting remarks made about the Architect's – Heckman& Associates and the construction of the Taj Mahal.
While discussing the continuation of construction of the Taj Mahal at West Elk one Board member made an observation that he thought he felt the board had been screwed by the contractor. He said the he could find them another portable trailer for $5,000 and then told them he could not find one. This is the same guy that spoke out about this company saying at their first meeting with him that it would cost the School Board about $1.2 Million for construction, yet at his second School Board Meeting that they would be talking about $6 Million because of inflation. Well folks that same person immediately dropped back to $3.2 Million at that very same meeting but deferred to the possibility of high inflation as the construction continued. Folks these are major
RED Flags. Why is this ignored and not discussed by the board. This is not the only construction company in the region – but no discussion – just accept it and keep going – is that the right thing to do? But back to that remark about feeling like the guy had screwed the school board, I'm wondering how the guy screwed them. Did he charge them the $85 an hour to find the potable trailer? Did he fail to return the $5,000 that they perhaps paid him for the trailer? There was no discussion about how the school board might have got screwed or about rectifying the situation. I commend the man that spoke out, but I guess the rest of the school board failed to understand the issue and saw no need for a discussion about it amongst themselves. Why?
Perhaps I've got it wrong! But, I don't think so. I suggest this because of the utter confusion at these board meetings and because of the fact that they fail to speak up. And I feel that is because of one of at least two things. One, that lack the self confidence to speak so they can be heard and/or they don't want the taxpayers and voters to be able to understand what they are doing.
But what the heck it's only taxpayers money and there is plenty of that and they can raise the tax mil levy by 4 mil every year right?
But back to the discussion about that portable trailer:
Why in the world do they need yet another eye-sore? (Yes that is what I had heard those boxes referred to as. And all the complaints about them.)?
They had discussed moving the play ground they had just put in for the little kids and placing the new trailer. How much did it cost to put in that play ground in recently?
They had discussed moving all those trailers?
Say what?
After spending nearly a half a Million Dollars to put them in, really?
No matter it just taxpayer dollars?
What planning?
They reported to the state that they saved $200 and some thousand for shutting down the grade schools but did they report spending nearly a Half Million to replace them with the trailers?
They still can't come up with a real plan of any kind.
All I hear is let's build, let's spend ?
What I have heard is they say they can't engage their employees, they say there is no co-operation from the teachers, and they have talked about bad attitudes concerning these actions. But they are really engaged by their employees known as the Administration. And I don't hear the School Board engaged with each other in a real discussion about what they are doing. That's my observation and my opinion.
That contractor they are paying $85 an hour to work for them provided them with a list of questions about what they want to build and they fail to use it. Why? Well the school Superintend said at a board meeting that it is too difficult to understand and to fill out and that it would take to long. Folks in my personal opinion if you want to construct and redesign the inside of the present building you need a solid plan before you start. And if you want input from and want to engage your employees such a list would be a great tool to accomplish such a task. But no, they just ignore that tool. If the tool is too difficult or it doesn't fit your needs, why not use it as a guide and re-write it to your needs. And use it to engage the teachers and the taxpayer/voters.
Do the School Board members recall hiring that College Professor that came in and thought them how to think and how to ask the right questions in planning their long term goals? Really, just curious? Remember how he manipulated you with all the large sheets of papers and attached them to the walls? Remember that?
But in my opinion as long as the School Board Meetings are run in the manner that they are run they will never be able to accomplish anything but waste. As long as the hired hands are allowed to continue to sit on the board and speak willy-nilly and the board members cannot have a discussion amongst themselves without continuous interruptions they are a failure as a board. Because that is the main purpose of the elected officials is to form the board and only them, right? To have uninterrupted discussions amongst themselves. (Keep this in mind, more on this coming soon). If they need input such as a question answered they could ask the Superintendent a direct question and expect a direct answer from him in the audience, not him sitting on the School Board and rambling on. That would be the proper protocol in my opinion.
I'm not done with this meeting yet, there are more questions to come?
I sure hope I'm not boring you.
And I sure hope you are forming your own opinion and discussing this information.
Isn't it time for some constructive change at the West Elk School Board Meetings?
Isn't it time for some real leadership from the West Elk School Board?
Isn't that what them
Elk Konnected School Board members have preached for the last number of years? So where is it?
Ross, thanks for the report(s).
You raise a good question about the superintendent is sitting at the table with the board and conducting
the board election.
Looks like the School Board members are kinda hanging around there waiting for someone to take charge.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 12, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
Looks like the School Board members are kinda hanging around there waiting for someone to take charge.
Looks like someone
has taken charge... and it wasn't the voters.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 12, 2013, 10:45:25 AM
Ross, thanks for the report(s).
You raise a good question about the superintendent is sitting at the table with the board and conducting
the board election.
Looks like the School Board members are kinda hanging around there waiting for someone to take charge.
Quote from: Patriot on September 12, 2013, 03:35:11 PM
Looks like someone has taken charge... and it wasn't the voters.
That's what I'm talking about!
I wonder what the Konnections are?
LOL
I don't hear anybody denying anything or yelling at me like they have in the past!
Them Followers must have got tired of being Followers!
Or perhaps no one is openly leading any longer!
Perhaps they are trying to lead from a hiding place!
What do you think?
I'm still not done with that last meeting and I am only covering a small part of it.
Please bare with me. Thank You.
School Board Meeting 0n 9/10/2013
Part 3
I failed to mention yesterday that someone at the Board of Education table said they need a separate Grade School Building. They need a separation of High School and Grade School Kids. My question is why?
Remember all that talk about socialization that kids lose out on if they home study. With the two levels working together they gains much more in the way of socializing skill don't they? Kids adapt real well, far better than adults do, don't you think?
Oh you guys are hell bent on building that grade school building that the voters told you no in the bond election even if you have to build it one wing at a time. You totally lack any respect for the taxpayers and voters by making this happen. You also lack any integrity, honesty, couth and many other attributes if you continue, That is my opinion and I stand by it.
But WHAT is the real problem?
Could it be some of that bad attitude that was mentioned during the meeting?
Could it be that High School Teachers feel they are better than Grade School Teachers or vice-versa?
Another thing crossed my mind with all the kids using the same cafeteria you could have the teachers have lunch there as well And supervise the kids and hope to avoid any assaults like the knife stabbing that just took place in Texas, where the kids had no supervision. How's that for an idea? Security!
And the teachers don't really need no big expensive teachers lounge do they, there are plenty of empty lockers in the hallways the teachers and staff could use, Then you could make a class room out of it for the kids. Dose the office staff have a lounge, make it a class room as well. Do these teachers and staff love the children they have in their care all day? Prove it; don't isolate themselves from the students. That could also solve some security problems, don't ya think?
Well I think we all know that one of our elected School Board of Education members resigned and left an opening, right? Well at this board meeting there were two applicants asking for the position. Those that attend the meetings know one of them as David Evans. David Evans attends the meetings often and is familiar about its going on's. He was asked by a board member if he had any board experience and David said he was elected to the Caney Valley Electric Board and has served on it for many years. That board's concerns are most likely mostly financial budgeting and long term planning and forecasting future needs of the company. They asked David if he had any children attending West Elk.
Wait a minute, just how is that a qualification?
Being a concerned taxpayer and voter should be the concern, not do you have children attending school there.
I mean when they want your tax dollar is it a requirement to have children attending school there? If it were a lot of folks would not have to pay school property tax would they?
The second applicant had a nicely written speech and stated that several people had asked her to apply for the position. My first question is who were those people? She to is on a board, whoopee!
She to was asked if she had children attending school at West Elk and she said yes. Again how is that a qualification?
I am not certain of her name so I won't use what I think it is. But, I am told she is a long time resident of Moline and I wonder why she had no interest when the Moline Representative resigned. You know the one that was appointed before the last election!
Why not then and why now?
Who were those people that asked her to apply?
Was it School Board Members?
Was it Elk Konnected School Board Members?
Was it other Elk Konnected Members?
The reason I ask, is because there as not one word of discussion amongst the present Board Members of either applicant, why?
I would think there would be at least the smallest of discussion, but nothing!
The Board President immediately said shall we vote. And I believe it was he who moved to accept the lady. And after a few long moments of silence, he said, I have a motion can I get a second. Someone said I second the motion. And the President said, I have a first and a second all those in favor of her say aye, "all hands went up". Opposed, none.
Remember, I said, I heard no discussion about either candidate amongst the board members! That leads me to think something may be terribly wrong.
Do we really have a School Board or just people sitting at the table as yes men and women?
Are these Board members afraid to discuss, cuss and challenge anything amongst themselves?
Or was the decision already made prior to the meeting?
I mean, I really don't know!
Does anyone have any ideas because I would really like to know?
Please help me out here with some answers!
School Board Meeting 0n 9/10/2013
Part 4
The School Superintendent sitting right up there at the head of the Board of Education table with all those cookies and ham and cheese and crackers, spoke to the possibility of increased enrollment due to the possibility of Elk Valley being consolidated into other districts. He said the kids might go 4 different directions.
Okay, I've been hearing that for several years, yes several years.
Has it happened, no!
Is that something Elk County wants to have happen? (Lets talk about that in a few minutes.)
So let's pretend it does happen!
What if half of the kids go to Sedan and the other half go to Fredonia?
How many would go to West Elk? NONE!
So let's go with the 4 way split scenario, okay?
That would mean an increase of maybe 50 students, right?
Let's just pretend since we are pretending that half of the students end up at West Elk that would be about 100 students, right.
What is the big deal?
West Elk has 319 students enrolled add 200 more that is 519 no big deal! The West Elk School Building according to the Superintendent was designed to hold 600 students. That still leaves room for another 81 students, doesn't it?
But moving beyond all the make believe lets return to the question," Is that something Elk County wants to have happen?", the consolidation of Elk valley and for Elk County to loose yet another school?
Is that what the citizens of Elk County want?
Is that what the West Elk School District wants for Elk County?
Aren't the West Elk School District Board Members citizens of Elk County?
Is that what those citizens want?
Remember in the school documents where it says that losing a school can damage a community and cause people to move away?
What about that quality of life Elk Konnected Board Members? What about that?
I wonder what the population of Moline has eroded to since the closing of the Moline Grade School?
As far as the consolidation I think I first heard of it 3 years ago and I was told that Elk Valley would most likely be absorbed into the Fredonia School District and I believe that might limit the number of potential enrollees even more.
When I was searching the internet from my home in Bremerton, Washington and found this acreage that I have built my home on, I looked to see if there was a school close by and if there were medical facilities close by. All was satisfactory to me. But I must say if Moline had not had its grade school I don't know if I would have moved here. It does make that much difference to people with small children.
So shouldn't the Elk County Community be behind the City of Longton in keeping its school?
Shouldn't all the mighty community leaders of Elk County be working on solving the problem of the possibility of losing the Elk Valley School District?
Shouldn't the mighty community leaders be lobbying for Longton and Elk Valley?
Or do the Community Leaders just sit back and pretend it ain't happening and wait until it is too late to do anything.
Just let those that might make such a decision think you don't care, is that the plan?
Or is this another one of those things, what did Elk Konnected say in one of their open letters? Something like, how can something good be going on in one part of the county and not in the other part of the county?
Do the so called leaders sit back and do nothing and/or hope for the demise of a school district and the possible demise of a community? Is that the plan?
I just don't understand the thinking and the actions.
Perhaps someone out their reading this can explain it to me.
Please do!
Thank you!
This next paragraph in blue is quoted by copying and pasting from Public Squares Communities, Inc. and Elk Konnected, LLC web site and webpage at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-about/
In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service. Yet on the other side, members across the county come together for a "tablesetting" event that raises over $3000 for the local foundation. How can these two polarizing events happen at the same time? We needed help!
Elk Konnected makes a squabble out of Garbage, real garbage, the kind you set out on your curb. As a reason to start a Non Governmental Organization (NGO).
Let's compare that to what is going on today, at least as I see it. You decide for your self, okay!
We have been informed by the West Elk School District Board of Education at a Board meeting that the Elk Valley School District in Longton faces the possibility of consolidation. I have heard that consolidation may be with Fredonia. The School district has or is doing what they can to remain open in Elk County. If consolidation were to happen that would mean that Elk County would lose yet another School. Do those that claim leadership care? If so, what are they doing to help this small community? Remember, the Moline Grade School and its demise? There was nothing gained by shutting down the Moline Grade School but there was plenty lost. The school district lost a separate gymnasium and auditorium and other amenities for the grade school students.
While on the other side:
The West Elk School District appears to want to take advantage of this possible loss instead of trying to prevent the loss to Elk County. Taking advantage of a small community's possible loss I suppose it is better than leadership helping preserve what is there. You tell me.
How are they trying to take advantage?
By building a larger and ever larger school building at great expense to the taxpayers.
Hoping to gain more students when and IF Elk Valley ends up in consolidation.
There is no guarantee that this will happen.
The West Elk School Board continues down the path towards building a new grade school, by calling their plan to construct --- extensions, add-ons, wings or whatever other term they wish to use. Completely ignoring the fact the people they are suppose to answer to said NO. Remember the School Levy vote two years where they received a resounding "NO". Don't these people understand no?
What happened to the Elk Konnected positive attitude?
You Elk Konnected School Board Members --- didn't the community voters give you a very positive "NO" for an answer?
Didn't the people in effect vote not to shut down the grade schools by voting not to build a multi-million dollar new one?
Or is that what the plan has been all along, to follow the examples of control on page one of this thread, by centralizing the grade schools at HOWARD West Elk.
Well, it is not Howard w\West Elk, please check the Kansas State Registry.
So, why are you Elk Konnected School Board Members accepting such a negative attitude towards the voters and going along with this unnecessary construction plan?
Isn't it defiance of the voters, which is the equivalent of a defiant teenager that does not get his way? Is that it?
Otherwise, why are you Elk Konnected School Board Members not showing a positive attitude towards the voter's wishes?
There just doesn't appear to be any respect exuding from you folks, for taxpayers or voters or anything else in my opinion.
Where is that Elk Konnected Leaderships positive attitude to do the right thing and honor the vote, to honor the democratic act of the voters? Is positive, only what you want it to be?
Where is the proper leadership attitude in Elk County?
I suppose real curb side garbage, in garbage cans is far more important than millions of taxpayer dollars and taxpayer votes ?
What a shame!
Does anybody else have a better idea why our elected officials are wasting our tax dollars and ignoring the voting system in Elk County?
I am looking for answers, so any given will be appreciated.
You reckon the school board is being managed by the Steering Committee by and thru the superintendent?
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 14, 2013, 09:18:09 AM
You reckon the school board is being managed by the Steering Committee by and thru the superintendent?
I don't know what's going on but it is about as fishy as the county government use to be.
Nobody admits to being associated with Elk Konnected these days, so it makes a person wonder just what is going on.
I would guess they are either ashamed to belong or they don't want the community of Elk County to know what they are up to!
As far as the School Board and the administration, I requested the earnings of all employees to include overtime pay and summertime pay with the proper legal papers and I can't find any overtime or summertime pay. I wonder why. Are they keeping it secret? And why? I asked the School Board President to ask every one to speak up, and he said he would do that and then chose not to I guess. So it leaves me to believe the whole attitude is the public and the taxpayers and voters don't need to know what they are doing. Just fishy as hell in my personal opinion.
Elk Konnected I believe got started out as just Elk Konnected and then became Elk Konnected, LLC. I believe they did that LLC thing because of all the questions being asked of them. Because they became an LLC that sheltered almost all their information from public scrutiny. Which I suppose was a good move for them. That made them a privately owned company and not subject to opening their books for the public. No transparency. And our School District appears to have the very same attitude only they can't become and LLC.
That dropped calling their hand outs to the school board attachments, I suppose because, I was asking why the attachments were not attached to the agenda's and minutes. And now I think they have stopped calling them hand outs and just hand them out to the board during the meeting and or before the meeting so as to avoid giving them to the public.
I really can't figure out what they are doing and I think that is the idea! Keep the public confused and do what ever they want, whether tit makes sense or not.
Heck they don't even run a proper board meeting, stop by and check out the melee sometime.
As always Just my thoughts and opinions.
Apparently the
visionary Elk Konnected School Board Members think our School District has more money than they need to keep or that we as a School District are not far enough in debt.
What do you folks, the taxpayers think?
Does our School District have too much money and it needs to spend it?
ORDoes our School District need more debt, you know, to keep up with the Joneses? (so to speak)
Let's keep up with the Joneses and make headlines like this one:
Education Still in CrisisThe School District of Philadelphia has forecast more than $300 million in deficits.
It may be in need of serious educational reform.Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/education/20130915_Education_Still_in_Crisis.html#1Di8LmJ6OgvSERaj.99
Really Big Idea: Build Bigger and Bigger School that is not needed and we can't afford and make Newspaper Headlines. Really Big Idea: Build Bigger and Bigger School District Debt, for the property owner, because they don't pay enough property tax. Didn't we already have a
CRISIS that forced the closing of the Severy Grade School and the Moline Grade School?
We did, didn't we!
Is the School Board building for a
larger CRISIS, a super large
CRISIS with this new plan to build
Millions on
BUILDING more school, while the student population is still declining? So they can make larger headlines?
I think the
deficit fad is over and now other school districts that were involved in that
fad are paying for having been involved in that
fad are now in
CRISIS mode !Why are we getting into a
fad that has ended?
Well here we go again with my opinion.
Isn't that what the editor of the newspaper does when he writes an Editorial.
The only difference is you and I pay to read his opinion.
This week his opinion is " It's Not A Time For State GOP To Lean on Their Fears"
He goes on to say:
"The Republican leadership in Kansas Legislature wants to dispense with Common Core State Standards for math and reading in public schools.
He also says, They fear losing control over what is being taugh tour students in public schools."
Well, I ask you Mr. Editor why shouldn't they be concerned?
Why shouldn't we all be concerned about what is taught in our Kansas Schools and I include you in this questions?
Do you want to turn every aspect of our lives over to the Federal Government?
Do you trust the Federal Government exclusively?
If so would you suggest doing away with local and state governments.
You give absolutely no substantial information why the Common Core is so great, just an obscure statement that all but a handful of states want it. Big Deal.
Do we have to be like everyone else, is that your thought?
He states: "Mean while students in todays Kansas schools might well miss out on another opportunity for academic improvement."
The key word is might and on the other hand is a might not isn't there? So you really don't take a stand do you? Just a political move to confuse the issues isn't it?
If you think we don't need Kansas legislature and the controversy that goes with it, why do you vote for those clowns?
Why not just dissolve state government and unify with the Federal Government and let them govern our state. Wasn't unification one of the big ideas of Elk Konnected, LLC on page one of this thread? Are you still affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC?
You sir have just confirmed what I have posted here on this thread about teaching standards being so low. My personal opinion is, that it is the function of the local school boards, to improve the teaching with in their respective districts through leadership.
Well, just for added information, I am posting information, I received by e-mail today and I am sorry to say, I can not disclose who it came from and the reason will be obvious in the very first sentence but a teacher is involved. Try to keep an open mind.
I need to stay in this job for 4 more years. After that, I will say as I please, as loudly as I please. For now, I buck it with quiet rebellion, sit in the back; we speak under our breath, and know that there are several of us not conforming. We show up, sign in, absorb enough of the propaganda to know what it is that is being spewed and refuse to do it. Today's propaganda was ridiculous!!!! We have all been labeled as the rabble rousers....I think it is funny! Lol!
you are a very strong person I don't think I could listen to the liberal stuff they are trying to teach our kids. Thanks for standing against common core.
Today is a non-student day. We are in a Common Core workshop. Our school has a faculty of about 130...a handful of us vehemently oppose the Communist Core, we are together in the back of the room watching Ted Cruz on a laptop!!! The presenter is a "gifted" English teacher. Last year, in a faculty meeting, she admitted she didn't know what the "Federalist Papers" were. I almost fell out of my seat....! She is now using an article on apartheid to demonstrate non-fiction reading in the classroom. It is written with an OBVIOUS liberal slant! This is the kind of stuff we are SUPPOSED TO BE teaching. She is a typical mealy-mouthed liberal sheep!
Don't you find anything, in what is said in that message that should be questioned about the Common Core?
Changing what is taught is not going to correct the low teaching standards, again, I repeat that is the responsibility of the local school boards through leadership to improve the teaching standards. It is not a function for the Federal Government is it? They are not here locally following what is going on inside the school building or the class room are they?
And I must add that doing an end run around the voters building a Taj Mahl of a building is not a means of improving teaching standards. But is rather despicable, to say the least and shows poor leadership, in my opinion. And sir, if you would do some real reporting and maybe investigate, what I am saying perhaps you would be a real reporter, instead of a politician. Just my opinion.
Do you know anything about Common Core, who developed it and why, what it entails and how it is to be taught? Please share what you think you know.
I see the figment of my imagination has returned.
My oh my what to do?
Is there a shrink in the house.
I don't respond to figments of my imagination, especially long distant ones, sorry figment!
So speaking of figments of the imagination, what has happened to Elk Konnected, LLC and all their followers?
Isn't it time for Elk Konnected, LLC to have their community conversation in order to maintain their membership and their accreditation with that little corporation known as Public Squares Communities, INC?
If they don't holed their community conversation will Public Squares drop their Accreditation?
But seriously folks, I appreciate you taking the time to read this thread and especially those that continue to download and/or view all the documents at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f .
If there is anything anyone would like added to the documents please feel free to PM me.
I Hope each of you have a great weekend.
PRO's & CON's
A figment of my imagination has asked what I know about the Common Core!
Well, I don't really need a shrink, because it is a healthy thing to ask questions of things that really matter.
1. I believe our children matter!
2. I believe our rights under the Constitution matters!
3. I believe our choice of religion matters!
4. I believe our Federal Government has often over stepped it boundaries!
5. I believe that local people should be responsible enough to teach our children.
6. I believe the Common Core leaves too much out.
My response is very simple, there are pro's and con's to everything!
There even pro's and con's to NGO's, religions, laws, rules and I think we have each experienced that through this thread.
When we set back and listen to the Federal Government or State Government or any single group and only listen to them and their well planned programs to persuade us to believe them and only them that everything is a positive move, we accept the consequences later down the road. Again, everything has its pro's and con's. When we are told otherwise, we are being lied to.
When our governing bodies who are elected to work for us, don't work for us, they are then morally wrong. I.E. the West Elk USD 282 was told by vote "NO" don't build a new school and are simply doing an end run around the vote by building wings or extensions to an existing building ---- that is morally wrong.
Why?
1. They shut down two buildings claiming they could not afford to keep them open, which saved the district 200 and some thousand dollars.
2. They spent nearly 500 thousand dollars installing portable buildings.
3. They asked the voters to approve a new grade school building on the present campus near Howard, Kansas they were told, "NO"
4. They seem to be ignoring all the studies they have had over the last couple of years.
5. They have a building that was designed to house 600 children and only have 300 and some children enrolled.
6. They recognize that the population is declining which means fewer students.
7. They are spending money hand over fist on a contractor that first stated that their ideas would cost 1.2 million dollars and then the next meeting stated due to inflation that the cost would be closer to 6 million dollars and then revised it to 3 million dollars and still said inflation might cause the expense to go higher. (Why are they still dealing with this contractor?)
8. There is still a grade school sitting empty in Moline that would be far cheaper to re-open in my opinion and which would provide ever thing they are wanting to build.
9. A school board member recently said at a board meeting, what they really need is a separate building for the grade school children. (See #8)
In my opinion this all adds up to an immoral waste of taxpayers dollars!
I must however to be fair and ask why are they doing this immoral act of wasting taxpayers dollars?
Who are they trying to appease?
What is the real purpose?
I doubt we will ever get the real answer, what do you think?
Are you willing to pay 4 mil in higher property taxes each year for the next 8 years?
That is the only plan I see to pay for what they want to build, because they won't say where the money is coming from.
Will they start building and then find the 4 mil property tax levy isn't enough and then tell you that you have to approve a multi-million dollar bond issue to complete the job?
All while the enrollment is declining!
On the issue of the common core, I will say it is up to each individual to make up their own mind, just as the issue of building more school discussed above.
Here are a few links that you might find helpful:
What Obama wants you to think the Pro: http://get2core.org/national/what-is-common-core/standards
On this link you will find a home page button that will take you to pro's and Con's on many subjects: http://standardizedtests.procon.org/
Teachers against Common Core: http://whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/tag/teachers-against-common-core/
10 Cons of Common Core Curriculum: http://easley.patch.com/groups/editors-picks/p/10-cons-of-common-core-curriculum
Common Core Corrupts: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/338428/common-core-corrupts-michelle-malkin
There is so much more to read and study on this Common Core subject by simply Googling "Common Core or Pro's and Con's of Common Core".
I leave it up to you the individual to make your on decisison.
Personally I believe it is a responsibility of our local officials to the School Board to utilize the School Superintendent and School Principle to ensure that our children are being taught locally. That is called leadership!
The School Superintendent and School Principle should be making monthly reports as to how they are improving teaching standards and raising the education levels of all children. Also the School Superintendent should be removed from the Elected Officials board, that board being represented by the table at which they sit. He is simply an employee of the school Board not a member of the board. By applying the proper protocols to the meeting, then and only then does true leadership show its face among these elected officials! That is my personal opinion. In the meantime they are only sitting there pretending leadership.
I also believe it would also be helpful if they chose to be more loyal to the public at large, the taxpayers, than to an NGO, those that are loyal to an NGO know who they are.
Please feel free to ignore anything I say, I will not be offended. That is perhaps a pro to some of you.
Never mind. >:(
Ross, sounds good to me. Government programs are worthless unless one prefers tyranny.
A Bolshevik would say "never mind". They'll disregard anything you and other liberty minded people say as they prefer government interference in the markets and in the lives and minds of people. The government schools have been indoctrinating for more than a hundred years and they will continue striving to make improvements and advances for their cause. Even with a 'conservative' school board, it does not mean much in a government school system with government rules.
Stay on 'em.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 28, 2013, 08:48:38 AM
Ross, sounds good to me. Government programs are worthless unless one prefers tyranny.
A Bolshevik would say "never mind". They'll disregard anything you and other liberty minded people say as they prefer government interference in the markets and in the lives and minds of people. The government schools have been indoctrinating for more than a hundred years and they will continue striving to make improvements and advances for their cause. Even with a 'conservative' school board, it does not mean much in a government school system with government rules.
Stay on 'em.
Referring to the figment of my imagination. To bad that figment can't see the trees for the forest. LOL!
Forrest Gump sure could.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 27, 2013, 09:38:19 AM
Do you know anything about Common Core, who developed it and why, what it entails and how it is to be taught? Please share what you think you know.
Sheesh....
I never said I approved of Common Core. ::) I just asked what Ross thought he knew about it. Now jump back down in your holes with the rest of the gophers and entertain each other. Most are ignoring you. You have no idea what you want or how to impliment it, ya just know what ya think ya don't want, which is useless. You do not play well with others. CCTP
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 29, 2013, 09:22:19 AM
I never said I approved of Common Core. ::) I just asked what Ross thought he knew about it. Now jump back down in your holes with the rest of the gophers and entertain each other. Most are ignoring you. You have no idea what you want or how to impliment it, ya just know what ya think ya don't want, which is useless. You do not play well with others. CCTP
You are quite right figment some don't play well with others!
Some have no opinion except what are fed to them by NGO or other type organizations.
Some lack the ability to think for themselves.
And I think it is you figment that most ignore.
However, I personally have an affliction that won't let me ignore you.
What I know tends to worry you because you don't know what I know and you really want to know what I know.
Or me thinks, you would not ask.
I did take a little time to provide you with some links so you could edumacate yourself and form your own opinion.
Did I get a thank you? "NO".
Did you agree there are pro's and con's to everything? Of course not.
And I expect that as an Elk Konnected Follower!
The organization is always right, right?
What do you say we federalize everything"
Federalize city, county and state governments, schools and hospitals, just everything how does that sound?
Moving on, can West Elk expect a small contribution from you of, say 6 Million, to build a school as a monument to Elk Konnected Followers?
TTFN
I didn't intend to nor will I write a long piece on Common Core.
No, I won't thank you for posting other people's thoughts. I wanted to know what YOU thought about it. But apparently you don't know enough about it to have your own opinion, so you rely on other people's information, as usual, mostly negative, so never mind.
As far as the Moline school is concerned, you better see what it really costs to reopen a school that has been closed for some years. On the surface it would seem to be cheaper since the walls are there. But there are costs associated with up grading a building for today's kids in todays world.... as you say, in an area of declning enrollment. Ask the parents what they want and are willing to pay for for their kids. It might surprise you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 30, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
I didn't intend to nor will I write a long piece on Common Core.
No, I won't thank you for posting other people's thoughts. I wanted to know what YOU thought about it. But apparently you don't know enough about it to have your own opinion, so you rely on other people's information, as usual, mostly negative, so never mind.
As far as the Moline school is concerned, you better see what it really costs to reopen a school that has been closed for some years. On the surface it would seem to be cheaper since the walls are there. But there are costs associated with up grading a building for today's kids in todays world.... as you say, in an area of declning enrollment. Ask the parents what they want and are willing to pay for for their kids. It might surprise you.
Well figment at least one Elk Konnected Follower has a voice. even if it doesn't say anything.
The links were not all negative there were pro's and con's.
But I guess you don't think those teachers that had con's are intelligent enough to voice those cons. Oh. well.
And since you apparently think that any thing the feds say is acceptable that you will run right out tomorrow and sign up for Obama Care. And I am also left to assume that the school systems should also be Federalized because you didn't say otherwise. All great choices for a liberal in my opinion. Federalize everything and if people don't comply fine the hell out of them --- you liberals rock -- but you don't rock my world.
And as a Elk Konnected Follower I suppose you think everything should be positive, but where are all the positive things coming out of Elk Konnected?
As far as asking the people about what they want in a school, the West Elk School Board did exactly, them and their Elk Konnected Followers on the board really did ask. So I don't have to! The voters told them "NO" by a 75% vote on the school building mjust 2 years ago. Did you forget?
And since when does "NO" mean "YES", when does "NO" mean do an end run on the voters?
Doesn't that show a lack of Morales and fortitude and honesty?
A whole lot like them folks on the federal level isn't it?
A whole lot like President Obama isn't it?
A whole lot like the guy that doesn't take "NO" for an answer from his girlfriend isn't it?
Doesn't "NO" mean "NO" to politicians?
Aren't School Board Members elected officials and there-by politicians?
Where is Senator Weiner with an explanation of politicians and the word "NO" when you need him?
Do you reckon he could explain Morales to the locals?
Thanks for your input my fine figment, I truly appreciate at least one Elk Konnected Follower.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 30, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
I didn't intend to nor will I write a long piece on Common Core.
One more thing my figment you say you won't write a long piece on Common Core but yet you expect me too?
That is really weird especially since you have all that edumacation!
But, that's quite alright, since no one would probably read your follower, liberal slanted view.
Just my opinion.
Perhaps you could start a thread on Common Core and see haw far it goes and good luck with it.
Tomorrow is your day to sign up for Obamacare.
Have a great day and thanks again.
simply put, if you give a damn about your kids you won't allow them to be taught by common core. it will make them stupid. Number one thing it does is eliminate the use of the English language as taught by the great authors of old. No longer are you required to read Ivanhoe, Shakespeare, Mark Twain, Edgar Allen Poe, but are now required to read x rated sex novels and boring white papers as well as documents that have nothing to do with education.
Sorry but when you destroy intelligent thought you get stupidity. What better teachers of word smithing than Thomas Jefferson, Chaucer, Shakespeare, and Wordsworth.
Then you go to the math, have you actually seen the way they teach math. If i were a kid i would say screw it. Gone are the methods of adding up in line, and now you have to draw boxes and work on 1 problem a day to meet the standard. No longer are they requiring memorization of times tables and God help us all if any of these kids actually get a job in a bank, much less a better job like nuclear physicist. You won't get the geometry, calculus.
Those are two topics that i know about, as well as the fact that if they don't learn math, they won't get jobs in electronics, or anything involved in physical science, must less the engineering jobs to create and build.
Yeah our country has come up with a new socialist plan to make its citizens more stupid.
Hi srkruzich good to hear from you.
I just stumbled onto this and thought you might be interested.
Here are the Top Ten things you need to know about Common Core
#10 Our children are unique. Our State is unique. Common Core is one size fits all
www.nccivitas.org/2013/common-core-one-size-fits-all-curriculum
#9 Unelected beaurocrats created the standards with money from special interests and 5 experts refused to sign off on its validity www.commoncore.fwsites.org
#8 There was NO legislative vote...state boards of education approved Common Core truthinamericaneducation.com/uncategorized/south-carolina-education-committee-vote-calls-common-core-scrutiny/
#7 Very expensive to implement www.scribd.com/doc/82477413/Common-Core-State-Standards-Implementation-Cost
#6 Private data collection on your child may include religion, medical and psychological info www.conservativeteachersofamerica.com/2013/03/13/common-core-is-not-just-about-data-mining
#5 Little effort being given to accomodate gifted learners and struggling learners www. alabamaeagle.org/2012/04/11/brookingsinstitute-predicts-common-core-will-have-no-effect-on-student-achievement
#4 It will likely cause teachers to "teach the test" www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/03/04/principal-i-was-naive-about-common-core/
#3 Classic literature study will be lessened and students will read "informational texts" in language arts www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/10/common-core-nonfiction-reading-standards_n_2271229.html
#2 Parents, teachers and local schools will have less control over education www.heritage.org/research/reports/2012/04/states-must-reject-national-standards-while-there-is-still-time
#1 YOU have the power to STOP COMMON CORE www.whatiscommoncore.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/what-one-person-can-do
Have you ever wondered what a School Board Meeting Minutes should actually look like?
How about comparing the State School Board Meeting Minutes to the West Elk School Board Meetings!
Can you see that the State School Board Meeting Minutes actually use statements to show what happened at the meeting's.
Can you see where West Elk School Board Meetings are in an outline form lacking any real information?
The out line form is often used by private organizations with minimal information for the sole purpose of keeping information to a minimum!
Is that what West Elk School Board is all about?
And I have often heard them say the public should be involved, how do they propose to do that in sincerity with an non-informative out line?
Check out the big difference in the folder labeled "Board of Education Meeting Minutes" at:
https://app.box.com/files/0/f/1079448563/1/f_10724720011
And then ask yourself why all the secretiveness?
Thank you to all of you that have visited and reviewed and downloaded documents @ https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Copy of e-mail I sent to the West Elk School Superintendent:
Dear West Elk USD 282 School Superintendent Mr. Moore,
Since the school board members do not have their e-mail address listed on the West Elk web site I am requesting that you forward this to each School Board Member. I am also posting this request on the local Elk County Forum. I have posted at: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg213516.html#msg213516
And also posted at: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15631.msg213517.html#msg213517
Thank you ever so much.
Sincerely,
L. W Ross
_____________________________________________________
Per the AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT OF 1990, AS AMENDED I had verbally requested of the West Elk USD School Board President just minutes prior to the meeting that he ask that speakers at the school board meetings speak up loud and clearly due to the fact that I have a hearing problem and even with hearing aids I have problems understanding what is said. He informed me he would do so, but failed to follow up at the meeting.
This was done in compliance with the Americans with Disabilities Act. It is not required to be done in writing according to the ADA. However if the School Board President were to ask I would have gladly accommodated him.
The ADA also states that I may ask for accommodations in any form of communications available. Therefore I am using this forum and sending an e-mail to the West Elk School Superintendent.
I am now requesting that they limit themselves to one person speaking at a time.
The ADA also states that I may ask for accommodations in any form of communications available. Therefore I am asking using this forum and sending an e-mail to the School Superintendent asking that he forward this request to each of the School Board Members.
SUBCHAPTER II - PUBLIC SERVICES
Part A - Prohibition Against Discrimination and Other Generally Applicable Provisions
Sec. 12131. Definitions
As used in this subchapter:
(1) Public entity
The term "public entity" means
(A) any State or local government;
(B) any department, agency, special purpose district, or other instrumentality of a State or States or local government; and
(C) the National Railroad Passenger Corporation, and any commuter authority (as defined in section 24102(4) of title 49).
(2) Qualified individual with a disability
The term "qualified individual with a disability" means an individual with a disability who, with or without reasonable modifications to rules, policies, or practices, the removal of architectural, communication, or transportation barriers, or the provision of auxiliary aids and services, meets the essential eligibility requirements for the receipt of services or the participation in programs or activities provided by a public entity.
Sec. 12132. Discrimination
Subject to the provisions of this subchapter, no qualified individual with a disability shall, by reason of such disability, be excluded from participation in or be denied the benefits of services, programs, or activities of a public entity, or be subjected to discrimination by any such entity.
The service I am requesting is that each board member speak up loudly and clearly and that only one at a time speaks so that I may understand what is being said.
Reference: http://www.Ada.gov/pubs/adastatute08.htm#12131
As I said several years ago, Obama Care does nothing for me. I'm on Medicare with a local supplement. Don't ever presume to project what you think you know about how I think, you'd be very short sighted and wrong most times.
Typical though, if ya don't understand it, insult it. You " assume" I'm pro Common Core, why?... Not so fast there. It's only language arts and math right now. It's a trial and may not fly if enough parents complain, if they can show real reasons. I do hope they have a workable alternative in mind though. All states have a lot in common when it comes to how American children learn and all states are unique in some ways too. Good programs can accommodate all of that.
As I always say, no system will work for the child who isn't there.... or for parents who do not see their own kids realistically.... or for communities and states that have low expectations for their kids. Most bright kids will learn no matter what system is used. It's the kids who aren't ready to learn and have little school routine or support from home who become adults who still can't read.
Keep on 'em about being able to hear at the meetings though. They should accommodate you as long as you are not unreasonable about it. Please ask them to use a microphone, not shout.
As you know I requested information under the freedom of information act from West Elk USD282 concerning pay of all persons working for the school district and requested they provide overtime pay and summertime pay as well. I do not see anything in the documentation that shows the requested overtime pay and summertime pay. I documented this @ https://app.box.com/files/0/f/1079448563/1/f_9748943098 .
Yet they saw fit to charge me $65.71(shown in the above documentation) for the very document they had provided to another taxpayer for free.
Why was I charged and the other taxpayer was not?
Was it because they can do whatever they want?
Why didn't they provide the overtime and summertime pay that was requested?
What are they hiding?
Should I take this to the attention of the Kansas State Education Department that they failed to follow the law, "The Freedom of Information Act"?
Should I take this to the attention of the Kansas State School Board that they failed to follow the law, "The Freedom of Information Act"?
Should I take this to the attention of the State Attorney General that they failed to follow the law, "The Freedom of Information Act"?
Should I take it to the attention of all three? Questions, questions, questions!
I have been hoping a school board member would recognize this situation and discuss it with their employee "The School Superintendent"!
I guess that is simply wishful thinking. Still I'll give them a little more time.
But in the meantime it looks like the same ploy adopted by: (my remarks are in parenthesis and red)
University of Kansas charges top dollar for access to public emails
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE — Just how much should it cost to get a few weeks' worth of emails from a government employee?
According to the University of Kansas, about $1,450. Yes, you read that right, and no, I didn't misplace a decimal. After Kansas Watchdog asked for two weeks of email (about 2,700 messages) sent and received by professor David Guth, KU set the estimated price tag on par with a cheap used car.
In fact, I looked it up out of curiosity. There are more than a few vehicles up for sale around Lawrence that would actually be cheaper than what KU is charging for access to Guth's emails.
(Isn't this man utilizing taxpayer funded resources and aren't the employees asked to process the information already paid by the taxpayer, my question?)
Guth, if you recall, is the Jayhawks journalism professor who posted an inflammatory tweet calling for the deaths of the children of National Rifle Association members following the Navy Yard shooting Sept. 16.
Undaunted, I revised my original request to pare it down to a mere two days (about 200 messages). While I thought this would make a significant dent in the cost, KU proved me wrong once again. For 48 hours worth of Guth's emails, KU said it would cost about $346.
The bulk of the cost was the 4 1/2 hours for a manager to review the 200 messages sent and received by Guth over the course of two days. Yet, somehow, that same manager is estimated to be able to handle an extra 2,500 messages in only an additional 90 minutes under my original request? (emphasis is mine)
(The politicians excuses!)
Sen. Jake LaTurner, R-Pittsburg, said this extreme cost is a prime example why reasonable limits need to be placed on the allowable charge for open records requests.
"It's their loophole to hide information, is to put an outrageous price tag on it," LaTurner said. "I question the character of KU in a lot of ways, and this is just one more, that is too much." (emphasis mine)
Earlier this year LaTurner introduced legislation aimed at capping over-the-top fees on public records. The bill never made it out of committee.
Rich Gannon, director of governmental affairs for the Kansas Press Association, agreed that KU's fees seemed excessive without further detail as to how they arrived at the final number. Gannon said it's a tactic he sees commonly enforced in state government.
"We are confronted by excessive fee complaints so often, nothing surprises me," Gannon said.
Jane Rosenthal, KU custodian of public records, blamed requirements in the Kansas Open Records Act for the high cost of obtaining the emails. Rosenthal said a manager — being paid $65 per hour — needs to comb through each message for exceptions to the law.
( I very seriously doubt that a manager does the actual work, most likely a much lower paid employee does the grunt work)
"If an exception is applied, we would then review to determine what, if any, information in that email could be released, and thus whether parts of the email would need to be redacted," Rosenthal said.
http://watchdog.org/108239/university-of-kansas-charges-top-dollar-for-access-to-public-emails/
Do you have an opinion to share?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 01, 2013, 09:29:42 AM
Keep on 'em about being able to hear at the meetings though. They should accommodate you as long as you are not unreasonable about it. Please ask them to use a microphone, not shout.
Thank you for the encouragement Diane.
I truly want to know what is being discussed so I will stay on them. They have an obligation not only to me but to each member of the public.
Their higher education is failing to show through in the way they hold their public meetings.
They, I am sure know what they can do to improve things.
One of the key things I learned in school is that it is not only polite to face the people you are addressing but to speak loudly and clearly.
I was a member of a private Corporate Board of Directors and yes we did sit at a table facing on another. But the School board is not a private Board Meeting but a public one.
Our school board is set up at one table with the board members speaking mainly when facing the back of the room. This is not at all conducive to communicating with the general public and taxpayers. I believe you can understand that. If they were to follow the example of the State School Board Meetings they would know the right way to hold a public meeting.
The same holds true for the minutes of the meeting, corporations utilize the outline and I believe that is mainly to limit information and to keep corporate secrets, secret. However, once again our meetings are not corporate and the minutes should show a lot more information and not the outline form.
Even the State School Board does not utilize the outline form of minutes. It just makes sense.
Perhaps we need a committee of common sense involved with our school district.
As always just my opinions.
Marines Rock!
As it should be, without the lies and the end runs around the voters.
West Elk School Board you were told NO by the voters on the Ballot for building a new school.
NO means NO!
Ask the preacher at your church if NO means NO!
Ask that preacher if it is moral to do an end run around the voters?
The end run around the voters concerning building a school referring to it as wings on the present West Elk School is immoral!
So what are your choices?
Sorry my computer is down and working on this Kindle is just not that great.
So, I must ask you to follow a link about Common Core. As I stated my opinion of common core is not about better education but
about Federal Government control. I guess they leave some room for states to tweak the lesson plans therefore does the situation
Leave teaching common amongst all the state's when everything is said and done? What is common if each state tweaks
differently?
Really it is about Federal Government control and they already have far too much control Don't they?
They have screwed up with Obamacare, do you want to allow them to screw up our children's schooling?
We can't even get the local politicians to listen to the voters!
Isn't doing an end run about building more school for a declining student enrollment behaving just the same
as Obama and his trickery and deception?
Give this some thought please!
The article on Common-Core is at: http://www.laramieboomerang.com/articles/2013/10/13/opinion/letters_to_the_editor/doc5259ed24c17f5261318171.txt
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 01, 2013, 09:29:42 AM
As I said several years ago, Obama Care does nothing for me. I'm on Medicare with a local supplement.
Diane I had to revisit this statement posted by you.
Are you still so sure you are protected from Obama Care?
Personally I too have Medicare but I also carry a private insurance policy, not a supplement, and I pay a pretty high monthly premium.
I am concerned about losing all of it to Obama Care and I really Don't want to lose what has worked so well for me for over twenty years.
Obama Care says that is what most likely what will happen. Very little to no choice.
Is this what we want with our children's education. Let's just call it Obama Ed. How does the sound?
Yes, I'm fine with our health care for now. If things change, I'll revisit how we have it set up, just like anyone would. Perhaps you are questioning my use of the word "supplement.'' We have Highmark Blue Cross as well as our Medicare.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on October 14, 2013, 02:16:32 PM
Yes, I'm fine with our health care for now. If things change, I'll revisit how we have it set up, just like anyone would. Perhaps you are questioning my use of the word "supplement.'' We have Highmark Blue Cross as well as our Medicare.
I really was questioning your supplement, but concerned that Obama Care will probably do away with our private policies also g with Medicare and we will be at the mercy of the Federal Governments health board.
Part of the point is the government has far to much control already and the Common Core will be even more control.
In my observances not exactly what our fore fathers envisioned for our country.
Where is the government of the people, for the people and by the people?
When even on the local level the elected officials abuse the positions by running end plays around the voters?
There appears to be a lack of shame and honesty and integrity on our local level forget the federal and international levels.
I'd just like to know how these folks can face themselves in the mirror every morning.
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-federal-takeover-of-catholic-education
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-federal-takeover-of-catholic-education
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/privacy-and-common-core
http://www.crisismagazine.com/2013/the-ambitions-of-bill-and-melinda-gates-controlling-population-and-public-education Www.
Isn't it time for our local politicians to follow what the voters told them, or are they simply ignorant of the voters?
Oh sure they can respond right here on this thread. Politicians are all over the internet.
So why Don't we hear from them?
Can't seem to engage those.Elk Konnected School Board Members, I wonder why?
It's sort like the Republicans trying to engage Obama isn't it?
Students Learn by Arguing in Science Labs
Studies suggest deeper learning may result
By Sarah D. Sparks
Washington
Teaching students to argue, question, and communicate more like real scientists may also help them understand scientific concepts more deeply, according to several ongoing research projects highlighted at the Society for Research in Educational Effectiveness conference held here last month.
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2013/10/09/07sree.h33.html?cmp=ENL-EU-SUBCNT
Perhaps our school board could take a lesson from teaching. Even the KSDE and State School Board encourage arguing to come to the proper solutions. Just something to consider if learning is encouraging arguing by students there must be something to it don't you reckon ?
Quote from: ROSS on October 15, 2013, 06:32:14 PM
Perhaps our school board could take a lesson from teaching. Even the KSDE and State School Board encourage arguing to come to the proper solutions. Just something to consider if learning is encouraging arguing by students there must be something to it don't you reckon ?
Without a fair amount of friction, you never turn wheat into flour... unless you believe liberal progressives. For them, if you just think & talk 'positively', spend tons of money (other peoples money), & ignore all opposing ideas, the wheat will just melt into flour all by itself... fools.
Quote from: Patriot on October 16, 2013, 09:03:59 AM
Without a fair amount of friction, you never turn wheat into flour... unless you believe liberal progressives. For them, if you just think & talk 'positively', spend tons of money (other peoples money), & ignore all opposing ideas, the wheat will just melt into flour all by itself... fools.
Now it looks like teachers are wanting to be psychiatrist as well and perhaps they will throw in some socialism with the Collaborative for Academic, Social, and Emotional Learning.
Emotional Learning just what the hell is that? They use all these nice sweet terms and words to tell us, what they want us to hear and want us to know, but where does it stop?
When does real teaching start?
Why are teachers messing with children's emotions?
Some teachers have messed with children's emotions and ended up in jail for sexual abuse.
They government is saying they are not capable of teaching and need something called the Common Core in order to teach the children because the teaching standards are so low.
And with such low standards, all our schools are doing, is average or above average in teaching, as graded by the state.
The schools seem to buy into the commercialism of high tech in the class room, or a computer in every room and in every child's hands. That is just an extra expense to automate the job of the teacher. And we all know the computer systems become obsolete very quickly. Perhaps, soon we won't need teachers just room monitors at a much lower wage, which would then pay for the computers and the technician to care for them.
But, back to the Emotional Learning in the class room, take a look for yourself; it is dripping with milk and honey words to sooth the soul. Perhaps they will teach the kids not to question anything and speak with all that milk and honey type of communication.
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2013/10/16/08social.h33.html?tkn=LNOFKhpt1HudB5c63B9B9rWJZ%2B%2BCDF156kou&cmp=ENL-CM-NEWS2
Just some more to think on isn't it?
There are no excuses for mediocre schools or average schools especially when the educational standards are so low.
But it appears that the Common – Core of the Federal Government intends to keep the schools at mediocre.
But for what purpose other than control. Like health control and gun control as in a dictatorship. You decide, why?
It's the responsibility of the school boards to demand a better education by the school staff through doing a better job of teaching.
It is the local school boards responsibility to provide the leadership and not to allow themselves to be lead by the school superintendent. 'Familiarity breeds contempt' and it is time he in my opinion to get back to Formalities in running our schools.
Seperate the elected officials from the hire hands. Only elected board members should be seated on the school board (in this case the picknic table with all the goodies).
It is the responsibility of the local school board to have the superintendent report progress to them. Documented as in a written and signed report. And as frequent as necessary until a suitable standard is met or exceeded. The school board is the BOSS and suppose to be working for the students and the taxpayer, very simple.
We don't need programs like no student left behind, we need better leadership. That's my opinion.
Read below why there are no excuses and then you decide, okay?
Top public schools demand more than Common Core
By Watchdog Staff / October 17, 2013
By Joy Pullmann | Special to Watchdog.orgThe best U.S. public schools — including those with high numbers of poor and minority kids — require more of students than state standards and Common Core, and school leaders attribute their success partly to these high expectations.
CAN IT BE BETTER: The Common Core lists what its creators think students should know in K-12 math and English. Forty-five states agreed to it under pressure from the Obama administration in 2010. The Core calls itself "rigorous" and "internationally benchmarked," but investigation into actually rigorous and internationally competitive standards within the United States casts doubt on these claims.
The Common Core lists what its creators think students should know in K-12 math and English. Forty-five states agreed to it under pressure from the Obama administration in 2010. The Core calls itself "rigorous" and "internationally benchmarked," but investigation into actually rigorous and internationally competitive standards within the United States casts doubt on these claims.
High-achieving public schools tend to take two approaches to producing outstanding results, said Florian Hild, principal of Ridgeview Classical Charter School in Fort Collins, Colo.. Ridgeview is on the U.S. News and World Report's gold list of top schools in the country, and ranks second-best high school in the state.
"You can be top by playing the testing game better than all of the other public schools," he said. "What other schools do is look at that as a side effect of a serious education. So if our students, our ninth graders can read Thucydides and Homer and Virgil, whatever the state test asks them to do, they can do."
A look at what some of America's best public schools teach children indicates that Common Core is more of an afterthought than a guide to high-quality instruction.
Best schools in the world BASIS charter schools are a network that began in Arizona, where their first two schools consistently rate in the top 10 on several national rankings. Children attending BASIS encounter math books two or three grades above theirs — fifth graders take seventh grade pre-algebra, and so forth.
"I would describe our curriculum as competitive with the best schools in the world," said Mary Riner, a Washington, D.C., mother who lobbied to bring BASIS to her city. She is now its director of external relations. "We really are looking to close the global achievement gap."
The Global Report Card from the George W. Bush Institute is one of many markers demonstrating that even the top U.S. school districts are mediocre compared to international peers.
"We call a school high-performing if 80 percent of kids can read at grade level," Riner said, with disdain. "Our kids are years behind kids in Canada and Finland and Shanghai."
To graduate from BASIS, students must take a minimum of six Advanced Placement exams, four in core subjects. Every student takes AP Calculus. The average student takes 10 AP exams, and 90 percent pass. Its Arizona schools operate on $6,500 per-pupil funding.
'Crap thrown into school'Riner sought BASIS for her children because she became annoyed with "the crap thrown into school to make it fun." Her fifth-grade daughter's Latin homework, for example, was coloring Latin words.
"It excites students to know more than their parents, and to have this knowledge and be able to think about it... That is rewarding. And that is fun. And that is what we're trying to achieve, not this therapy kind of fake, shallow, immediate gratification," she said, passionately.
To achieve a challenging academic environment, BASIS hires teachers who are experts in their field, most with content-based master's degrees. Most teachers have majored in education, not a content subject. BASIS teachers work together to create a multi-grade syllabus, then have freedom to teach the material they've decided using their own style.
"We don't even look at state standards," Riner said. "That's the last thing we do. State standards are there because we have to be in compliance. We finish the Common Core by the ninth grade... Literally what we are using are world standards."
Poor children, rich standardsBASIS schools have been criticized for offering a curriculum many children can't keep up with. A third of their DC students are eligible for federal free and reduced-price lunch, a proxy for poverty. Other charter school brands specifically target hard-to-educate children from broken homes, and they hold students to higher standards than typical public schools, too.
Knowledge Is Power Program (KIPP) charter schools are renowned for doing what many say is impossible. More than 86 percent of KIPP students live in poverty, and 95 percent are black or Latino. More than 93 percent of KIPP middle school students have graduated high school, and more than 83 percent of KIPP alumni have gone to college, according to KIPP.
"The state sets the academic objectives for the children, and (KIPP schools) extend those objectives because our job is not just to take them to college but to get them through college so they are successful and happy," said Alma Salman, principal of KIPP's Houston elementary.
To prepare for being a KIPP principal, Salman visited top public and private schools around the country. She said she saw what they expected of children, and although those expectations are higher than state standards, she wanted her students to have the best.
"The state says by the end of the school year the kindergarteners should be reading on level four, for example. We want our children to be reading at level six," she said. "We read a lot more books to them and expose them to a lot more literature and phonics."
Similarly, Texas expects kindergarteners to be able to count from one to 20. KIPP Houston teaches kindergarteners to count to 100. Common Core asks the same, but it does not introduce kindergarteners to ordinal numbers (first, second, etc.), time and calendars, or graphs. KIPP Houston does.
Like BASIS, KIPP teachers meet together across grade levels each year to plan lessons and make sure each subject and grade fits well with the next.
College prep for needy kidsAlso in Houston, 11 YES Prep charter schools also aim to lift disadvantaged children. Two of their high schools rank in the top 100 nationally, and in the top 20 in the state, according to US News & World Report. Its students are 97 percent Latino and black, and 79 percent low-income. All its students graduate and attend college.
Teachers write YES Prep's curriculum and thrice-yearly internal exams, said Jason Bernal, YES Prep's president. In hiring teachers, YES Prep considers grades, experience, and administers a behavior assessment to see if the teacher will fit the school culture.
Then, candidates give a sample lesson in front of the principal and school leader they would work with. New teachers participate in a two-week intensive training, and all receive personal coaching and group professional development every week. YES Prep looks for "perfection, leadership, (and) rebound time," Bernal said. The school also pays for performance rather than awarding tenure for longevity.
"It took 15 years to develop the curriculum and tests the schools use now. The schools' curriculum development team started with AP exams and worked backwards to define what students will learn in each grade," said Jennifer Hines, a YES PREP senior vice president: "We built 100 percent of our curriculum." Each summer, they revisit curriculum.
"We're using AP as a proxy for what kids should know, and it's admittedly a blunt instrument but we've found it to be at least consistent and fairly good," she said.
State education standards "are somewhat helpful" but not extremely specific in outlining what should be different in each grade, especially in language arts, she said, "also when we're talking about skills, not content, in science and social studies.. So if we are teaching a rigorous set of expectations and ensuring students are mastering them, we do not need to teach explicitly to the state assessments. And we will ensure we cover state standards, but that's a small proportion of what we're doing."
In short, she said, education standards "are a starting point for us." (here in Elk County it appears to be the end point)
Liberal arts and Core KnowledgeState and national education benchmarks are more of an afterthought for schools that attempt to immerse children in time-tested education styles, such as the classical liberal arts. Colorado's Ridgeview largely follows the Core Knowledge sequence in grades K-8. Core Knowledge outlines what a coalition of researchers have decided is essential content for preK-8, initiated by retired University of Virginia professor and literacy expert E.D. Hirsch. For high school, Ridgeview teachers write and revise their own curriculum.
Like the other school leaders School Reform News interviewed, Hild said his most important task was finding and improving excellent teachers who know and love their subject.
"We have a curriculum which we will teach, but we want to hire adults who are self-respecting intellectuals, and you can't tell a self-respecting individual that the Colorado state standards will determine how we teach the American revolution," Hild said. "That has to be determined by the individual teacher. They will cover the same material, but they have to own it." (doesn't this mean they have to accept responsibility for the curriculum they teach?)
While large portions of state standards and Common Core focus on content-empty skills, Core Knowledge builds its curriculum recommendations based on Hirsch's and other research showing that knowledge builds on knowledge, and so do academic skills. It is extremely specific.
Core Knowledge, for example, recommends children begin learning about money in kindergarten, while Common Core introduces money in the second grade. Core Knowledge would introduce fractions in first grade, while Common Core does so in third grade. Core Knowledge also expects children to be proficient in multiplication and division by third and fourth grade, while Common Core expects this by fifth and sixth.
While Hirsch and his foundation have endorsed Common Core, they also have said it does not sufficiently outline a good curriculum.
For this reason, a number of Core Knowledge schools, like Ridgeview, have rejected Common Core. Hirsch agrees Common Core does not outline the essential content children need for a good education. Instead, the introduction to Common Core encourages "a content-rich curriculum," which he hopes will have more schools reaching beyond Common Core into Core Knowledge.
"Education has to do with human beings trying to grow as moral and intellectual beings, and if you regiment it you denigrate the ideals of education," Hild said. "We don't worry about the state tests and the Colorado state standards or the Common Core standards. We worry about the integrity of our curriculum and the implementation of a serious classical education."
http://watchdog.org/111120/top-public-schools-demand-more-than-common-core-2/
So when do the local school boards start talking education standards and doing something responsible for the childrens education?
Building a Taj Mahal for Howard does not improve educational standards, does it?Remember: The purpose of formality is to protect us against hasty judgments and decisions.Ponder: The purpose of some rules elude us until problems arise.
Food For Thought
is way
No, I did not write the following but I have always thought this way.
A degree does not make a person wise!
A mensa IQ does not make a person wise either.
A plumber is educated as a plumber and a doctor is educated as a doctor and they can not do each others trade can they?
But here is what someone else had to say one the subject.
One of the fundamental problems with our society today, is that we have conflated the possession of wisdom with the appearances of intellect. As a result, we grant power and authority to those who went to the "right" schools, got the "right" degrees, have held the "right" positions, and talk 'right" ... even if their actions, and the derivative results, exhibit an abject lack of wisdom on their part. We think that "smart" equals "wise", when that is often not the case. This is one of the main reasons for a school board and like mindedness does not solve problems, but open discussion of opposite views can through heated discussions may very well do the trick. Lemmings are of a like mindedness not real people.
I'm still here, just been busy.
I missed this months School Board Meeting, so I have nothing to tell you about the meeting.
I received my School Board Meeting agenda a day after the meeting took place, that is why I missed the meeting. Sorry!
Pretty poor planning on the part of the person that mails out the agend, I guess.
I mean, if you know there is a government holiday, I would think, you would adjust for that holiday. Unless, you just don't care that is.
I did notice there was nothing in the agenda to discuss the construction of the Taj Mahal they have been spending so much money on; you know just the planning process of something they don't need.
I'd still like to hear from those educated people on the school board, about where they plan to come up with the money, to build their Taj Mahal or if they have perhaps decided to do the ethical thing and scrap the plan after all, they were told "NO" by the voters weren't they?
How come them folks had all those studies, they paid to have done, that suggest engaging the public and their own plan to engage the public and yet they fail to do so. Why have studies done if you have no intention of following sound advice?
Why do they fail?
What is going on?
Are they hiding something?
It's sort of like Obama's government transparency isn't it?
Are they going to fail like ObamaCare?
I'm being a bit facetious here with the Obama thing, just a bit.
But, I'm never facetious about wasting money.
Are they beginning to feel a bit of shame for spending money that is meant for our children's education, that they have been wasting on studies and contractors?
They were told by the voters not to do that, weren't they?
Is that it?
Have they finally woke up, to what they have been saying about the,
declining student enrollment and the declining population? I sure hope so!
I guess we will have to wait and see, huh?
Any school board members that would care to enlighten us, your effort would be greatly appreciated.
Perhaps the School Board Elite of Elk Konnected can enlighten us, that could be considered an action towards Quality of life in Elk County just by Konnecting with the Citizens and Taxpayers of Elk County. So please indulge us. Thank you.
Happy Halloween Everyone.
Check out the politics in the coffee shop.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15665.msg214248.html#msg214248
Please Watch this video
The man quotes himself from a 1958 Speech.
He briefly expresses that the Federal Government wants control of Education.
And now we have the Federal Government with it's Common-Core for education.
Go figure.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=11780.5830;last_msg=214249
Quote from: ROSS on November 03, 2013, 09:19:42 AM
Please Watch this video
The man quotes himself from a 1958 Speech.
He briefly expresses that the Federal Government wants control of Education.
And now we have the Federal Government with it's Common-Core for education.
Go figure.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=post;topic=11780.5830;last_msg=214249
Okay I had to come back and had to add that the man spoke of the Federal Government wanting to control our every move in life and he spoke about obscure state lines. Well, If you remember --- from the Elk Konnected handout (page 1 of this this thread) of great ideas, they wanted to do the samething to Elk County. Here's a reminder:
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
By the way what is Elk Konnected doing these days?
I know their members on the school board are doing nothing to improve the educational standards at the school.
If someone know they are doing something, anything at all, for education or anything else how about leting us know, please.
Or is it just a total waste? Has it become a private club? What?
More on the Common-Core.
Besides just another Federal Control Mechanism over United State Citizens, even the scholars ot the Catholic church accuse it of lacking proper educational standards. Go figure!
Could the plan be more of the Dumbing Down of America we have all heard of?
Could it be as screwed up as Obama Care?
Just something to think about!
Catholic Scholars Urge Bishops to Oppose Common Core
By Catherine Gewertz on November 1, 2013 4:22 PM A group of more than 100 Catholic scholars have signed a letter to the nation's Roman Catholic bishops condeming the Common Core State Standards and urging the church leaders to resist adopting them, or abandon the standards if implementation has already begun implementation.
The letter's 132 signatories include professors in many disciplines, including theology, philosophy, political science, and architecture. And they come from not only Catholic universities, such as Fordham University, but
also private and public nonsectarian institutions like Princeton University and Texas State University. Bringing the scholars together is Gerard V. Bradley, a law professor at the University of Notre Dame, who is circulating the letter, dated Oct. 16.
Read the rest of the story at:
http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/curriculum/2013/11/catholic_scholars_urge_bishops_to_oppose_common_core.html?cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS2
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Or is it best just to do it to get extra federal funding?
I received my monthly power company magazine Kansas Country Living, the only part of the magazine I seem to like is the next to the last page with the recipes on it.
Those I have no problem believing.
But there it is again Squares Communities, LLC with another with another story. Month after month, Allow me to share my opinion on this story with you?
The writer, the Chief Operations Officer (they got fancy names now) compares her Public Squares Communities, LLC to her grand daughter growing to maturity. Really!
I find that weird, just my opinion. But I'll leave that up to your own opinion.
Public Squares Communities claims to be growing using a bunch of fancy wording, claiming to be maturing, all in my monthly rag from my power company, Kansas Country Living.
I'd like them to show me where?
Where's the growth?
Their communities as copied and pasted from their web site.
Didn't they use to have 17 communities? I only count 12 now, what's wrong with this picture.
Be Liberal
Decatur Tomorrow
Greeley Co Community Dev.
Elk Konnected
Dream Humboldt
Cultivate Fredonia
Tri Hope
Reading
K-West
Positive Pursuit Meade Co.
The Morton 4
Working Together Sheridan
Check their web site for your self at: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/
And even Elk Konnected, LLC's Steering Committee appears to be shrinking as well.
Here have a look at what I copied and pasted from their web site:
Jennifer Montgomery
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Barnaby
David Whetstone
Check it out at their web site:
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/
Can anyone tell me where the growth is?
Can anyone tell me what they are accomplishing?
I tire of the monthly stories in my copy of Kansas Country Living with no real meat in the stories.
What have they accomplished if anything?
Inquiring minds would like to know --- the real story?
Hi Diane,
I recieved an e-mail today that led me to a cause for you in your own back yard in Delaware.
I thought it might be better for you at home in Delaware instead of your imagined cause 1200 miles away in Elk County, Kansas. Perhaps you could get involved locally in Delaware amd leave Elk County, Kansas to those that live here.
Here is the story just for you.
Prison protest is halted by police
Posted: Tuesday, November 5, 2013, 3:15 PM
THORNTON The group Citizens for Social Justice, which had planned to hold a peaceful protest across from the Delaware County prison to highlight issues such as abuse of inmates and improper releases, was told they had to move more than a mile away.
"They had about 20 guards, K-9s, county police; it looked like a whole Gestapo troop," said Pastor Keith Collins, one of the organizers of the protest.
The group of six protestors planned to meet Tuesday morning across from at the George Hill Correctional Facility, 500 Cheyney Rd., Thornton.
Collins said he had approached the county and was told they did not need permits for a peaceful protest. But Thornbury Township declined the permit saying the property was "private," he said.
Community Education Center (CEC), a private company in West Caldwell, N.J., has had a contract with the county to run the jail since 2009.
"It was something like a third world county," Collins said of the police presence. He said the experience was very disheartening.
Collins said they would like to meet with the Delaware County Prison Board. They would like a town hall meeting with CEC, the creation of a volunteer citizen advisory board, official visitor status for key members of the community and enhanced accountability.
- Mari A. Schaefer
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20131106_Prison_protest_is_halted_by_police.html#YsMWGWffWQ87Y5eX.99
You don't have to thank me, I am more than happy to help you out.
Sorry Bubby... Delaware County is in Pennsylvania...There is stuff going on here, but that one is not in Delaware. :o Sure hope ya do better at getting your facts straight when you get into things in Elk County. You could sure lead people astray. ::)
You'll have to try harder to insult me, but work on the facts first! :P ( What a doofus.) We have only three counties. New Castle, Kent and Sussex. We're the first state...so much for your knowledge of history... and ya gotta flaunt your ignorance? HA!!!! Go back to school Ross...or ask your son, I suspect he'd know more.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 06, 2013, 02:54:06 PM
Sorry Bubby... Delaware County is in Pennsylvania...There is stuff going on here, but that's not here.
You'll have to try harder to insult me, but work on the facts first! :P ( What a doofus.) We have only three counties. New Castle, Kent and Sussex. We're the first state...so much for your knowledge of history... and ya gotta flaunt your ignorance? HA!!!! Go back to school Ross...or ask your son, I suspect he'd know more.
What does history got to do with geography, I don't understand that point!
You are right, I am not familiar with your part of the country. Boy that sure is a small state. Only 3 counties, that's interesting. And you just can't find a cause in Delaware to occupy your time. That's a shame. I have never been over there.
But ya know what, we have a dialog going on, even though your side of the dialog is sorta rude, I am enjoying it.
I wasn't intending to be insulting. I was trying to help you get busy at home. Oh well, it nothing but a string and a thing. And besides you
Followers don't appear to have anything to follow here in Elk County.
Elk Konnected doesn't appear to be active in Elk County doing anything about the quality of life they spoke of.
I never saw them at any of the communities functions this year.
No parades, or festivals or anything.
Why do you suppose that is? You are long distance
Konnected right?
Do you suppose it's because they couldn't get control of the County's wind farm money's or other taxpayers money's?
Do you suppose they have tried geting some of Howard's (or as you pointed out Ho weird) recreational money?
Tell us Diane as a Follower of
Elk Konnected surely you know something! Anything?
Elk Konnected seems to have just disappeared excet for being on the school, board? Do you know why?
I don't even read about them in the Newspaper anymore!
Isn't the editor Rudy still affiliated with em?
Tell us everything you know about this subject in Elk County, Kansas, a long read would be very acceptable.
I'm gonna check todays paper pretty soon for information.
Thanks for any input you may have.
You don't get it. The reason Delaware has only three counties and why we are the "first state" is all about history not geography. We are also known as the Diamond State. Only Rhode Island is smaller. As far as my being busy, that's not up to you. If I need your help (yeah, right) I'll let you know.
I can make some suggestions about what you should be doing out there too.I suggest working on your spelling and grammar first of all, and learning how to write properly would help folks who are still left to read you understand what you are trying to say.
You still don't get my relationship with EK. You decided to label me and now you just repeat what you decided with no facts. You never did have any. You are still writing fiction and believe your own words rather than listen to or believe what people tell you. That's your burden to deal with, not mine.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 06, 2013, 07:42:23 PM
You don't get it. The reason Delaware has only three counties and why we are the "first state" is all about history not geography. We are also known as the Diamond State. Only Rhode Island is smaller. As far as my being busy, that's not up to you. If I need your help (yeah, right) I'll let you know.
I can make some suggestions about what you should be doing out there too.I suggest working on your spelling and grammar first of all, and learning how to write properly would help folks who are still left to read you understand what you are trying to say.
Yes, use to be teacher --- you have been quite good at telling people what to do. And you often have errors in your postings, but I don't point them out to you, because I am not the spelling and grammar police of the internet. And I try to avoid being rude. I am not going to be offended by your attitude, because, I understand it and accept it as your personality. I accept you as you are. Ain't that sweet of me.
I think I commuicate quite well, thank you. Check the numbers up near the top of the page.
Ain't this fun!
I asked what history had to do with geography. You said, I suggested information from the wrong state and that had absolutely nothing to do with History. I'm not much interested in your history anyway.
But you know teacher you failed to answer even one question about
Elk Konnectedwhich you are a
Follower of. Why is that, I didn't think educated teachers failed. Is it you have gave up on
Elk Konnected way up there in Delaware? Or is it you lost your
Konnection and just don't know anything?
Please respond intelligently to the questions if you can?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 06, 2013, 07:42:23 PM
You still don't get my relationship with EK. You decided to label me and now you just repeat what you decided with no facts. You never did have any. You are still writing fiction and believe your own words rather than listen to or believe what people tell you. That's your burden to deal with, not mine.
Oh, but you know quite well I pointed out your
Konnection many pages back after viewing your Face Book page and all the folks listed that were
Elk Konnected. By the way did you ever set up your preferences on your Face Book. If you need help with that let me know, Okay! You know it was open to the public for viewing didn't you?
I don't write fiction that is a figment of your imagination, and I hope you enjoy that figment.
But please are you trying in around about way of denying
Elk Konnected ?
Are you saying you don't know anything about
Elk Konnected ?
Let's hear it like it really is?Why isn't
Elk Konnected active any longer ?
Do you deny that
Elk Konnected has people on the West Elk School Board ?
Nothing in the paper aain this week about
Elk Konnected.
Nope, I will not engage you one way or the other about EK. What's in it for me? Say what you will your opinion doesn't matter. As far as your numbers...is that so important to you? I have numbers too. So what, it doesn't matter.I won't be seeing any of your posts soon anyway. poof!
Bye bye, pork chop. You're done. Your number is 350 for 45 minutes. Yup, Kansas's finest.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on November 07, 2013, 11:17:21 AM
Nope, I will not engage you one way or the other about EK. What's in it for me? Say what you will your opinion doesn't matter. As far as your numbers...is that so important to you? I have numbers too. So what, it doesn't matter.I won't be seeing any of your posts soon anyway. poof!
You do realize, that real eyes, realize, real lies. I just wanted to say that, I love it.
By refusing to discuss
Elk Konnected you are in essence denying them.
You got numbers, WOW, that's great.
I got no numbers!
But this thread does!
I'm sorry you got cornfused!
You mean the figment of my imagination is fading into oblivion.
Shucks I'll miss you.
I'll remove my tin foil hat occasionally to check for you.
Good luck with that
Elk Konnected thing that you deny.
Bye-bye. Parting is such sweet sorrow!
It's been so much fun.
Tonights school board meeting was quite interesting.
There is much to tell you but I am busier than a cat on a hot tin roof this week.
I will tell you to watch you to watch your mail box for a letter from West Elk USD 282.
The school board is planning a meeting for the public to engage you in their plan to build a 5 or 6 million building that they want to attach to the present building.
This meeting will be followed up with a Bond Issue in April so they have to move quickly in order to make that application so the can have an April ballot. They did mention that people might not go for it because of financial hard times the country is going through. Really?
But don't worry the plan is if the April Bond Issue fails, they will have time to modify the plan and come back at you in November. So timing is everything.
I bet you won't read this in the School Board Meeting Minutes.
You also won't read that the School Superintendent said, "Howard passed the last Bond Issue".
Only thing is the Bond Issue did not pass, did it?
Or they would not be coming back at us again, would they?
The school board appears to be beginning to realise that they are throwing money away? For what reason?
To build a Taj Mahal for Howard, didn't I just tell you the School Superintendent sitting there on the School Board at the head of the table say, "Howard passed the last Bond Issue".
Yes, that is a quote. Doesn't this statment say a lot about who wants a Taj Mahal? Something to think about isn't it?
Is Howard full of Liberals? Or is it like Diane kindly told me, is it just How-weird?
How many of you want higher property taxes, just so Howard can have a Taj Mahal just outside their city limits?
There is so much more to tell you, but I am calling it a night. I'll be getting back to you as soon as possible.
These are pictures of the display at the West Elk School Board Meeting on 11/10/13.
I will be posting the larger pictures at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f (They are Down Loadable to your computer)
I was treated realy rude when I took the pictures of the pictures with my cellphone. I don't believe they want you to see them. The pictures are public property, nothing secret documents. The only thing at a public school that is secret is Disciplinary actions. As proved by the fact that i have posted all the salary's and names of employees of the school district at https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Huge, huge project that will cost in excess of 5.1 MILLION DOLLARS.
A major waste of money in my opinion.
Also it is an excessive interest in sports over education provided by building a practice gymnasium, in my personal opinion.
It looks like nearly double the building size, so it should be capable of holding instead of 600 students, nearly 1200 students, while only 319 are enrolled, right?
I wonder just who is pushing the school board for such extravagance?
I will explain this idea of extravagance further as I go along.
Please do not believe a thing I tell you, please do your own thinking and researching. Please attend school board meetings.
Do not fall for there attempt to con you during a community meeting. That will not be a Public School Board Meeting and therefore off the record. All though all Board Members may be there, only 3 will be on the stage. Therefore it will not be a School Board Meeting. If 4 Board Members enter on to the stage, the Superintend stated then it becomes a School Board Meeting do School District Business.
So folks all it will amount to is a Bull Shit Session.
And I do not apologize for calling it what it is if they operate in such a fashion.
No person there will be there to operate in an Official Meeting, meaning no one there will be in an Official position for the School District, as I see it.
More On the School Board Meeting of 10/11/ 13
But before I go into their discussion I'd like to remind you of the Long Term Educational Plan of which West Elk paid a considerable some of money to acquire it, they paid the money to a Company out of Missouri. The Company sent over a retired College Professor a Dr. Christman.
Dr. Christman's apparent job was to teach the School Board Members what appeared to be Critical Thinking. Yes, I was at that Board Meeting and that is what it looked like to me. It looked to me to be very simple training, but my personal opinion is it didn't take; it appears to have been a waste of money. Just my opinion.
And I say all this because this is how their Long Term Educational Plan came about; Dr. Christman walked them through a process to get the plan.
The ONE most important item on their Long Term Educational Plan is, "Kids First Attitude and Philosophy". But how does a person a Teacher, Superintendent or a School Board prove they mean that?
Do they prove it by sitting in an office, a teacher's lounge or by the School Board affecting a written policy and ensuring that the School Superintendent implements the policy? Or do nothing? Just where is the leadership in our School Board? As I see it the meetings are still a picnic with lots of food and an employee of the School Superintendent controlling the meetings instead of working for the School Board.
Let's get to the meat of this "Kids First Attitude and Philosophy" and "Long Term Educational Plan", okay!
Dr. Christman surveyed, interviewed the school students and made a written report to the School Board. That report included a remark from a student, I am not going to quote the student word for word, but it had to do with reporting bullying and teachers doing nothing about it. Well the School Board did nothing about this statement either. Just where was that "Kids First Attitude and Philosophy"?
Well at the School Board this meeting this week (finally) they had a Sheriff Deputy present to discuss legal aspects of bullying and how the School Administration should deal legally with bullying.
If a child is less than seventeen years old --- call the Sheriff and the parents and deal with the problem in the Administration Office. If 17 years old and over, I'm not sure if they decided to call the parent or not.
My concern would be how to help the kids that are being bullied and how to control the atmosphere that contributes to bullying, not just protecting the School District from possible law suite. I would want a policy on counseling the bullying student in an attempt at preventing further bullying. All though protecting the School District from possible law suite is important, preventive measures of bullying are equally important.
There are no easy answers, but you can not deal with the problem with out a concerted effort and lots of discussion and constructive arguments. That is one of the most important jobs of a School Board member.
The reason for the discussion with the deputy was concerning bullying by tweeting and was sexual in nature. The school administration said they advised the parent to take the complaint to the Sheriff.
But I'd like to know when the School Board plans to come up with a written policy for the School Superintendent implement and for the School Teachers to follow to try preventing bullying? Will someone be instructed to listen to the kids? Or will they continue to hide in offices and teachers lounges?
This is a task for real leadership to tackle, will it happen?
Or will building a Taj Mahal continue to be the Number one priority, even though they have strong inclinations that that the voters will tell them "NO" again on a new Bond Issue.
Oh they want to put an electronic computer lock down system in their new Taj Mahal, if they get it. I can think of so many reasons why that is a bad idea. Can you think of any bad reasons for a computer controlled lock down system?
TTYL
Quote from: ROSS on November 11, 2013, 10:29:41 PM
The school board is planning a meeting for the public to engage you in their plan to build a 5 or 6 million building that they want to attach to the present building.
That would provide one helluva lot of incentive pay for teachers who exceed the norms... but then again, this is really about a group of elitists getting their way, in spite of what the taxpayers & voters told them not too many moons ago. Especially when it's somebody elses money they are spending. I wonder if this time around the parties will be allowed to vet this nonsense in the Coffee Shop as they were allowed to the last time.
Ya gotta give progressive statists one thing... just like spoiled kids at the toy store, they don't take no for an answer. And they damned sure aren't aware of real current economics. I hope the voters are watching.
Here is some more information, my take of the School Board meeting, I just can't get it all out at one time, the way the school board does.
The school superintendent said State Aid would be available for the New School Construction; yep that's what I heard. But, you probably won't read it in the School Board Meeting Minutes. Why you may ask! It is my opinion that they don't want you to know anything. Even though that is the main purpose of School Board Meeting Minutes, to inform the principals. The principals are you and me the taxpayer. Remember all these people at West Elk USD 282 work for you, you pay their wages. The School Board Members are elected to work for you the taxpayer.
I'm sure the State has just all kinds of money to hand out, just everywhere, aren't you?
There are no financial hard times across the country or across the State of Kansas is there?
I don't believe money grows on trees. So I'd like a whole lot more than State Aid will be available from the School Superintendent. Why, because times have changed dramatically. I say show me the money! Show me a guaranteed contract (signed, sealed and delivered) guaranteeing the money. Oh, I expect plenty of excuses, which just doesn't fly with me. Excuses are not money, are they!
We heard promises from the President of our great country and are now hearing excuses, while people are suffering from not having health Insurance, aren't we?
Show me the money! Or definitely don't go there!
Their Architect, Contractor or what ever they want to refer to him as was asked about FEMA Money for the extra storm construction in the New Building. I believe he said the FEMA approved doors for the needed protection would cost about $6,000.00 a piece. When asked if FEMA money was available he said Independence or what ever School District he was referring to during his talk did not use FEMA money. I translate that to mean there is no FEMA money available. Why else wouldn't a School District use Federal Funds from FEMA? Anyone know why a School District would do that?
Show me the money! Not the B.S.
It ain't gonna happen people, they ain't gonna show you the money, they will show you excuses. I.E. that is not the way the system works. Will, I say it's time to make some positive changes and have the system work for us. The Government ear marks money all the time and they can do it for West Elk USD 282 just as well. Is our School Board up to the task of getting an ear mark with documentation? If not we must assume there will be no state aid for their Taj Mahal.
I say don't give us empty words; give us documents in the way of contracts.
The contractor or architect won't start work on construction based on empty words from the School Board, they will want a signed contract, and don't we deserve the same respect?
Contracts showing State Aid and FEMA money have been secured, Instead of just verbal promises!
After all this School Board does not appear to respect the majority vote of the School District, why should you respect them? They were told no by the voters, the taxpayers that is you.
But at the School Board Meeting the School Superintendent said Howard passed the last Bond Issue. So apparently to the School Board the rest of us don't count. How disrespectful and how-weird is that? Is it all about Howard? What about the rest of the taxpayer / voters of the West Elk School District, don't we count. Do you need a special message in the form of "NO" again on the April Ballot if you run another Bond Issue? You already have plans for just that purpose of trying again in November, right?
The School Superintendent sits right there at the head of the School Board Table and was invited to do so by our elected school board effectively making him an un-elected member, a part of the school board, instead an employee of the school board. That is my opinion and I stand by it.
Just my opinion, may you please form your own opinion.
More 'other peoples money' games. Given that this greedy school district already tops the state list of per student spending, when will the money grabbing stop?
Quote from: Patriot on November 15, 2013, 07:51:08 PM
More 'other peoples money' games. Given that this greedy school district already tops the state list of per student spending, when will the money grabbing stop?
Perhaps when they get the message from the taxpayer.
Perhaps if people looked at their Real Estate Tax Statement and notice the changes in revenue for the School District!
Here is what I read that I think is significant:
Prior Year Current Year % change
School District $43,191.35 $63,069.28 46.02 % increase in tax revenue
School District - General $27,916.58 $42,188.76 51.12 % increase in tax revenue
Will the school board be content with a 100% increase over this years increase or will they want a 200 per cent increase or even more. When will it stop? When you the taxpayer step up and say, "enough is enough", that is when.
Please Double Check me, look at your own Real Estate Tax Statement
Good Saturday Morning.
I have noticed an awful lot of activity at my Box.com site.
A lot of downloading of pictures and a lot of the printed information.
I must say I am proud of you folks tat are taking time to read and study what is happening here in Elk County.
I don't know who you are, but you do and should give yourselves a pat on the back.
Tis web site only tells me each time if something is smply viewed and it also tells me if something is downloaded that's all. No names , no ip address, nothing. And that is just one of the reasons I chose Box.com. Because who you are is nobody business.
Keep up the reading and educating your self, know as much as you can. Because the more you know the better off Elk County is.
Thank you to each and everyone of you concerned citizens.
Common Core comments run from 'great' to
'commie brainwashing'
By Leslie Postal, Orlando Sentinel
5:24 p.m. EST, November 17, 2013
Florida's Common Core education standards make for dry reading. But they've created such a fierce political battle that when the state asked for public comments, more than 19,000 of them poured in.
On Tuesday, the State Board of Education will be briefed on the public's thoughts.
Here is a sampling of the comments — pro and con — culled from the Florida Department of Education's website:
"No Common core period ... our federal government can no longer be trusted ... keep everything having to do with schools at the state level. NO for the 'common good ... commie brainwashing!'" wrote a parent.
"What['s] more dangerous to a child than a stranger with candy? How about a government subliminally attacking our children with negative reading material in our schools? It is my feeling that this is an attempt to attack the minds of our young to adapt a liberal passive mindset. Stop Common Core as quickly as you can," wrote a resident.
"I love Common Core. Please do not bend to political pressure from a small group of non-educators," wrote one teacher.
"Keep all the Common Core State Standards. Students in Florida need to be held to the same high standards as the rest of the United States. We want our students to be able to compete in the job market now and in the future," wrote a parent.
Plenty of people wrote about specific standards — but even then views diverged.
"This is exactly what we want our students to do. It is the heart of Mathematics instruction," wrote a teacher.
"This is so easy! A nine-year-old could do this. You call this a high school math standard?" wrote a teacher.
"Eliminates confusion students often have with fractions," wrote another teacher.
"This is where the kids will zone out," wrote a parent.
"'Students need to be writing EVERYDAY for a variety of purposes, not just for the state test.' Thank you CCSS for making this abundantly clear!" wrote one resident.
"This is great. My son's teacher started this last year and the entire class exceeded her expectations," wrote a parent.
"Write arguments? Really? Can we save it for law school? My kiddos just want to write stories and use their imaginations," wrote a teacher about the elementary writing standards.
"The Common Core state standards in high school neglect to teach classic literature. We need to incorporate this back into the standards," wrote a parent.
"Increased focus on vocabulary is GREAT!" wrote a teacher.
"It requires students to read more difficult text, yet appropriate, preparing them for the type of texts (books) they will face in college and careers. This was a missing link in our old standards," wrote a teacher.
"Designed by people who never taught this stuff," wrote a parent.
"I am a teacher 100% opposed to Common Core because it is top-down monopoly of thought and it drowns out other conversations about what math and English ought to look like," wrote a teacher.
"The entire framework makes sense. There are no valid objections to any of the standards," another teacher wrote.
Some took aim at the technical language of the standards themselves.
"I'm guessing that an ed dweeb wrote this," wrote a resident. "What average youngster can understand that? For that matter, what average teacher can understand that?"
But some saw Common Core as necessary to help Florida students compete in the world economy.
"Exactly what our students need to be successful, tax-paying citizens of Florida," wrote a teacher.
An outside firm will analyze the public comments and present its findings this spring to the state board, which could decide to revise Common Core.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/os-common-core-comments-20131117,0,4018555.story
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Isn't the main purpose of a School Board to ensure that we have great education standards or is their job to be more interesed in building a Taj Manal?
Do you think Obama and his administration can do as well a job on Education Nationwide as they have for the Affordable Care Act?
Who do you think you should be able to trust more --- Obama or locals (if you can get them interested in getting organized to provide better standards and monitoring of those standards)?
Here is a congress woman I can stand behind on at least this subject.
A respected businessman who is probably an upstanding member and leader of his community, getting his
upcomance.
A video well worth watching in my opinion.
http://www.upworthy.com/whats-the-worst-thing-you-could-say-to-a-congresswoman-who-lost-her-legs-in-battle-found-it?g=2
Remember "upstanding member and leader of his community" are just words that politicians use !
As the woman said, this is the kind of fraud perpetrated by people in this country that keeps those deserving of care and assistance from getting it.
Great post , Ross.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 19, 2013, 09:27:07 AM
As the woman said, this is the kind of fraud perpetrated by people in this country that keeps those deserving of care and assistance from getting it.
Great post , Ross.
Thank you Bullwinkle.
I found this to be a very Interesting article about Common - Core Standards.
I only listed the Colossal Errors each error is followed by a lengthy explanation, I did include a couple of paragraphs that were at the end of the article. I'd only suggest you go to the link at the bottom of the article and click on it to read the article in full.
Personally, I feel this is nothing more than the Super Wealthy controlling our government through money and influence to take more control over everyone's lives and to reduce our children to nothing more than data to be used by other industries. Shall we as individuals, as Counties, as States, as School Districts turn full control over to a tyrannical government that already spy's on everything we do and to industries that stand to profit financially, and the Bill Gates Foundation? Do we turn our childrens education over to the government that had three years to get ObamaCare right and
failed. So, do we accept their
financial bribes to take control of our children's lives? Or do we ask our School Boards to step up to the plate and do their jobs to
improve teaching standards?Do we continue to be badgered by a school board wasting money and efforts to expand a building designed to house 600 students to double it's present size when it is only used to house 300 students and is dealing with a declining enrollment? Or, do we ask them to do the job of improving education instead of enlarging a building that requires no enlargement? Be ready for the politicians to sell you a bill of good's at their up comng meeting concerning building a Taj Mahal for Howard. The meeting is because they need your hard earned money in the form of property taxes to do it. They will provide you with all kinds of excuses why they need such a Colossal Building, none of which will make any sense. Guess what, you don't have to believe them, if you so choose.
Here is the Common - Core Article:
Common Core Standards: Ten Colossal Errors
Error #1: The process by which the Common Core standards were developed and adopted was undemocratic.
Error #2: The Common Core State Standards violate what we know about how children develop and grow.
Error #3: The Common Core is inspired by a vision of market-driven innovation enabled by standardization of curriculum, tests, and ultimately, our children themselves.
Error #4: The Common Core creates a rigid set of performance expectations for every grade level, and results in tightly controlled instructional timelines and curriculum.
Error #5: The Common Core was designed to be implemented through an expanding regime of high-stakes tests, which will consume an unhealthy amount of time and money.
Error #6: Proficiency rates on the new Common Core tests have been dramatically lower—by design.
Error #7: Common Core relies on a narrow conception of the purpose of K-12 education as "career and college readiness."
Error #8: The Common Core is associated with an attempt to collect more student and teacher data than ever before.
Error #9: The Common Core is not based on any external evidence, has no research to support it, has never been tested, and worst of all, has no mechanism for correction.
Error #10: The biggest problem of American education and American society is the growing number of children living in poverty.In conclusion: Common standards, if crafted in a democratic process and carefully reviewed by teachers and tested in real classrooms, might well be a good idea. But the Common Core does not meet any of those conditions.
The Common Core has been presented as a paradigmatic shift beyond the test-and-punish policies of NCLB. However, we are seeing the mechanisms for testing, ranking, rewarding and punishing simply refined, and made even more consequential for students, teachers and schools. If we use the critical thinking the Common Core claims to promote, we see this is old wine in a new bottle, and it turned to vinegar long ago.
For all these reasons, I believe any implementation of the Common Core should be halted. The very corporations that are outsourcing good jobs are promoting the Common Core, which deflects attention from their failure to the nation's economy and their failure as good citizens. I do not believe the standards themselves are significantly better than those of most states, and thus they do not offer any real advantages. The process by which they were adopted was undemocratic, and lacking in meaningful input from expert educators. The early results we see from states that are on the leading edge provide evidence of significant damage this project is causing to students already. No Child Left Behind has failed, and we need a genuine shift in our educational paradigm, not the fake-out provided by Common Core.
The frustration evident in recent public hearings in New York is a powerful indicator of a process gone badly awry. The public was not consulted in any meaningful way on decisions to fundamentally alter the substance of teaching and learning in the vast majority of schools in our nation. This process and the content of these standards are deeply flawed, and the means by which student performance is measured continues to damage children.
This did not happen by accident. Powerful people have decided that because they have the money and influence to make things happen, they can do so. But in a democracy, the people ought to have the last word. Decisions such as this ought not be made at secret gatherings of billionaires and their employees. The education of the next generations of Americans is something we all have a stake in.
And so, fellow citizens: Speak Up, Opt Out, Teach On!
What do you think? Is it time to end the reign of Common Core errors?
Update, 11/18: I have posted two responses from educators who believe there are positive aspects to the Common Core, and we should avoid throwing them out entirely, and my response, explaining how I think defeating the Common Core could open the door to a better process.
http://blogs.edweek.org/teachers/living-in-dialogue/2013/11/common_core_standards_ten_colo.html?cmp=ENL-EU-MOSTPOP
Get a load of what is happening in the Coffee Shop again !
Politics!
Remember when "Reasons for Locating West Elk Close to Howard" was in the Coffee Shop? It got moved to "Politics" ?
Quote from: W. Gray on November 20, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
Here is a drawing of the proposed West Elk school addition that was on page 3 of the Prairie Star this morning.
I have not been further inside than the cafeteria and one of the main hallways but the school has always seemed like a nice building that has been well cared for over the years. These additions would go a long way toward the education of the younger folks in the district in western Elk County and some of Greenwood County.
I am wondering how many forum folks graduated from the high school at this location?
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Quote from: frawin on November 20, 2013, 05:27:53 PM
Waldo, the current facility was designed for 300 students and the new addition is needed, from what people in the know tell me.
Quote from: Wilma on November 20, 2013, 05:37:54 PM
From an inside source, they are very much needed.
I'll be posting a long post tomorrow.
Im just to tired to fi ish it tonight.
Good night, folks.
Well our local rag has a message for you on the front page.
Of course, I am going to share part of it with you. Warning this is a long read.
The first line (and I mean Line) is a paragraph:"Several options are being considered to answer the demand for expanded facilities on the West Elk USD 282 campus in Howard."First off, I have never heard the school board during a meeting discuss this construction as options but as a full plan. Please explain this to me if you can?
Second, who is making this
demand to expand the facilities at West Elk?
Is it Elk Konnected?
Is it the Old Guard that Elk referenced when they started up?
Third, when did West Elk USD 282 move into Howard?How-weird is that? Oh, sure a typographical error. Sure, I buy that.
NOT!I believe, they were told
NO loud and clear on the last bond issue about building a new school building. Yes, this the very same thing!
They are just, Re-branding it, Refocusing it, and they don't plan to Retreat from it. It was said at a school board meeting to run the Bond Issue in
April and expect it to fail and then prepare to run another Bond issue in
November a pretty simple plan isn't it?
They are just building a new building with a piece of it over here and another piece over there. Do you believe the audacity, it sounds just like our liberal
Federal Government, spend, spend, spend. Spend yourself deeper in debt, than what is unnecessary, just because someone or some small group
demands it. Will you give in to those
demands ?The second paragraph:"Registered Voters in the district are being asked for input into what they would be willing to approve if a Bond Issue is proposed. They are being asked to fill out a survey and return it to the district office."Will that survey consider an option to re-open the Moline Grade School that is complete, to save taxpayers, tax dollars? It has all the amenities needed for a Grade School because it is a Grade School. They want to get rid of nearly a half million dollars worth of trailers and work, so they are basically admitting to a half million dollar mistake. So why compound it with a multi-million dollar mistake? Put the Grade School back in operation in Moline. And save Millions of Dollars. They have been talking as much as 5 to 6 Million Dollars for their new school building built a piece at time. And the contractor was not including a lot of
hidden expenses ? Go figure ?
As far as their survey tell them what you really think. If you think they are being wasteful write that on the survey, if you think re-opening Moline Grade School write that on there.
If you think they should build a Taj Mahal for Howard is a good thing, write that on there. Speak your mind on there.
It's no longer semantics that Howard thinks West Elk is their school. There is no error in this news paper article. When West Elk plays out of town their paper that lists the players names, says Howard West Elk. The road signs that West Elk earned in sports are at the Howard City Limits instead of at the West Elk School boundaries. Remember when Howard wanted to move their city limits to encompass West Elk? I don't know what stopped them but something or someone did!
Just
who is demanding that this expansion takes place, is it Howard?
Howard portrays to believe, if they have a giant school that people will move to Howard and that Howard will grow. That is just not what will happen, we will only acquire un-necessary debt.
Oh durn it, I have to make a couple of quotes from this forum about the last Bond issue to prove that last point.
I copied this off of the forum a few days ago, but I did not copy it as a quote, so I can not say who wrote it. For some reason I can not find it again and I really tried to find it.
This is the think of Howard in my opinion. Or is it Elk Konnected Think ?
Or Elk konnected Speak ? How many West Elk School Board Members are Elk Konnected ?"Why Do We Need a New Grade School? Education Providing a combined facility that meets the needs of the 21st century learning environment, we can continue the superior education of USD 282."
Where is this superior education taking place? The Federal Government and State Government have both said our teaching standards have been lowered across the country and across the state. If we had superior education we would have a
Blue Ribbon School, wouldn't we?
"We can refocus resources to add more diverse classes and technology at grade school and high school levels rather than inefficient building upkeep."
This is nut's there will always be maintenance and upkeep in any building.
"Financial To maintain the long-term viability of the district, we must address the issue now!"
What viability, why can't you be specific? Viability of what of the district? What issue specifically?
"We can no longer ignore it. The State Department continues to make large budget cuts that can no longer be absorbed locally."
This post was back in 2009, so what is it today if not a lot worse?
" Interest rates are lower now than they've been in years, and we must be as efficient as possible so we can control our own destiny. "
Efficiency does not mean going into debt for something you do not need, does it?
If it does, just how-weird is that.
"State Aid is now available at 29%, may not be available in the future."
I didn't see any links to attest to this statement. But again this was in 2009 and what are the odds with all the budget cuts since then?
"Let's look towards the future of our district!"
I agree, look at all the declining enrollment. Do we need more building while losing students ?
"Unity United we stand, divided we fall. If we unite the district, we can unite the communities."
This is just plain Elk Konnected talk in my opinion. As long as Howard continues to claim West Elk as Howard West Elk you will have division through out Elk County. Plus, whatever else they do to continue this division.
Why doesn't How-weird unite with the rest of the county?
"We are a much better group together than apart. Our towns have a lot to be proud of so let's stabilize our district and move forward."
Then why doesn't Howard agree with the majority of the School District Voters?
Can you answer that? Or is this just ore of EK speak?
Just more of that Elk Konnected talk isn't it? So why does Howard insist on everything their way. The School Superintendent stated at the last School Board that
Howard passed the last School Bond Issue. Sorry, perhaps the majority of voters in Howard voted to approve it, but Howard can not, and did not pass the last Bond Issue. Did they ?
"An attractive, modern school promotes economic growth, brings young families to our towns, and provides a positive promotional asset.Our KidsThe most important job of any generation is to educate the next generation! A centralized campus would provide opportunities for mentoring, enrichment programs, and after school programs. Our kids deserve the best educational environment we can provide because they are worth it! For our District, For our Kids, For our FutureV ote YES for Our Kids on 11-3-09 "
That is only your personal opinion, but there are no facts to back it up. Why is that?
Not for education ---- for construction of something that is not needed. Construction of a TaJ Mahal in Elk County will not promote econoic growth. Prove that it will? You are dreaming!
Not for the Kids, but for Howard, who is hoping for economic development out of it.
More money in the tills of the merchant's don't you mean? It just won't happen that way.
Quote from: pepelect on September 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
Why Do We Need a New Grade School?
Education:
Providing a combined facility that meets the needs of the 21st century learning environment, we can continue the superior education of USD 282. We can refocus resources to add more diverse classes and technology at grade school and high school levels rather than inefficient building upkeep.
In what way? Building maintenance and upkeep will always be needed.
This quote is from the previous School Bond Issue
Quote from: pepelect on September 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
Why Do We Need a New Grade School?
Financial:
To maintain the long-term viability of the district, we must address the issue now! We can no longer ignore it. The State Department continues to make large budget cuts that can no longer be absorbed locally. Interest rates are lower now than they've been in years, and we must be as efficient as possible so we can control our own destiny. State Aid is now available at 29%, may not be available in the future. Let's look towards the future of our district!
State aid is not guaranteed is it?
Interest rates are the Lowest they have ever been in our lifetimes.
But why? Our country is heading towards financial ruin, that's why!
$85 Billion being fabricated every month by the Federal Reserve out of nothing.
Which will have to be repaid, it's just a debt, right?
Give this some special thought, please!
Quote from: pepelect on September 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
Why Do We Need a New Grade School?
Unity:
United we stand, divided we fall. If we unite the district, we can unite the communities. We are a much better group together than apart. Our towns have a lot to be proud of so let's stabilize our district and move forward. An attractive, modern school promotes economic growth, brings young families to our towns, and provides a positive promotional asset.
And we can all fall united in debt for un-needed real-estate, can't we?
We have a building designed to hold 600 students and only have 340 enrolled.
And we have a declining population and a declining student population.
Just what is he promoting?
Quote from: pepelect on September 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
Why Do We Need a New Grade School?
Our Kids:
The most important job of any generation is to educate the next generation! A centralized campus would provide opportunities for mentoring, enrichment programs, and after school programs. Our kids deserve the best educational environment we can provide because they are worth it!
Do over sized buildings educate children or is it teachers that educate children?
Quote from: pepelect on September 07, 2009, 09:37:59 PM
Why Do We Need a New Grade School?
For our District, For our Kids, For our Future
Vote YES for Our Kids[/center]
on 11-3-09
For Howard don't you mean?
Quote from: pepelect on September 08, 2009, 09:46:46 PM
That is the beauty of the already designed and have a bid from the construction manager before we go to the public for the funding part of this scenario. If it cost more the CM picks up the excess. It is basicly a design build with a not to exceed cap. The prelim is completed. The guess work and budget issues are not the districts baby. We just supply the funds and they construct.
This is not the case this time. The present contractor has said there will be additional cost that he doesn't cover. He also said there would be fimamcial increases as the project goes along, due to inflation and changes in the plan as they progress through the construction.
Isn't all this just equivalent to Obama and his ObamaCare thinking?But hey, just ignore all of this !
Develope your own opinion! As I have said on numerous occassions in this thread, this is just my thoughts and just my personal opinion.
An additional thought!
If you fall for this line, this message in the newspaper, this trap of selecting a part of this construction, they will return again and again until, whoever or whatever is demanding this expansion gets exactly what they want? I know they have been planning this for months. I also believe they have perhaps been planning this for years. Perhaps, even before they closed the grade schools. Something to think about isn't it, long term planning by someone or some group. After all who or what is demanding this re-branded action ?
Yes, I consider it is as good as a trap, because any signal to proceed will be like, a green light to go for what ever they want to do.
Haven't we been fooled enough by the Obama Administration ?
Again just my opinion!
I got the USD 282 'public meeting invitation' in the mail today. The entire document reads like the Agenda 21, social engineering, platform that it is. More 'stakeholder', 'patron', 'consensus' bullhockey. Progressive socialists never give up, do they? And who were all the architectural firms who fairly bid on the planning project? Oh, wait. the board elitists just picked one, didn't they?
I noticed that curriculum and teaching critical thinking were NOT the top two priorities... building bullspit was! And this group of money grubbing hypocrites want us to believe their agenda is all about 'the kids'? Hockypuck. IMO, this board, and their overpaid college edumacated stuperintendent, have no idea what 'for the kids' really means. They use the phrase to elicit an emotional fog in the minds of parents, voters & taxpayers.
Sadly, many in the constituent class seem foolish enough to fall for it, or are ignorant enough of current events not to even be aware of what's going on. God forbid! A fool and his money are soon parted!
You have a school district that already receives & spends more money per student than virtually any other district in Kansas (by disproportionately using the 'special needs' provisions in state law, IMO). You have a district that has a student to adult employee ratio of about 3:1. That is one adult employee for every three students. And we aren't at the top of the heap scholastically? You have a district that was complaining about leaky roofs and broken air conditioners several years ago during their last bid to drive up public debt with a failed bond issue... what have they been doing to fix those things in the interim? Not enough, it would appear.
Think this through, people. As with everything else these Konnected Elitists have promised, tried, and failed (over many years).. this, too, will cost you a bunch and produce very few measurable improvements in the educational outcomes of the students in this district. While a few Elitists might gain some impressive resume fodder and some well meaning dogooders might salve the guilt about a shrinking community, the kids will gain little that will benefit them in their lives. But, rest assured, this thing could help guarantee that your property taxes remain among the highest in Kansas for decades to come. Something the kids will surely want to hang around for,
Wake up, citizens. UN Agenda 21 processes have taken solid root in Elk County. Don't think their poison? Ask the folks in Fredonia.
Caveat Emptor!
based on what you said they have a 3:1 ration, i would say they have too many paid employees. time to cut back to a reasonable 15:1 ratio wouldn't you say/ Imagine what they could do with that money they would save.
Quote from: Patriot on November 21, 2013, 01:48:32 PM
I got the USD 282 'public meeting invitation' in the mail today. The entire document reads like the Agenda 21, social engineering, platform that it is. More 'stakeholder', 'patron', 'consensus' bullhockey. Progressive socialists never give up, do they? And who were all the architectural firms who fairly bid on the planning project? Oh, wait. the board elitists just picked one, didn't they?
I noticed that curriculum and teaching critical thinking were NOT the top two priorities... building bullspit was! And this group of money grubbing hypocrites want us to believe their agenda is all about 'the kids'? Hockypuck. IMO, this board, and their overpaid college edumacated stuperintendent, have no idea what 'for the kids' really means. They use the phrase to elicit an emotional fog in the minds of parents, voters & taxpayers.
Sadly, many in the constituent class seem foolish enough to fall for it, or are ignorant enough of current events not to even be aware of what's going on. God forbid! A fool and his money are soon parted!
You have a school district that already receives & spends more money per student than virtually any other district in Kansas (by disproportionately using the 'special needs' provisions in state law, IMO). You have a district that has a student to adult employee ratio of about 3:1. That is one adult employee for every three students. And we aren't at the top of the heap scholastically? You have a district that was complaining about leaky roofs and broken air conditioners several years ago during their last bid to drive up public debt with a failed bond issue... what have they been doing to fix those things in the interim? Not enough, it would appear.
Think this through, people. As with everything else these Konnected Elitists have promised, tried, and failed (over many years).. this, too, will cost you a bunch and produce very few measurable improvements in the educational outcomes of the students in this district. While a few Elitists might gain some impressive resume fodder and some well meaning dogooders might salve the guilt about a shrinking community, the kids will gain little that will benefit them in their lives. But, rest assured, this thing could help guarantee that your property taxes remain among the highest in Kansas for decades to come. Something the kids will surely want to hang around for,
Wake up, citizens. UN Agenda 21 processes have taken solid root in Elk County. Don't think their poison? Ask the folks in Fredonia.
Caveat Emptor!
Please note I said adult employee, not teacher. But still, 3:1 seems a tad high.
A " tad " ? :-X
Just in case anyone might have missed it there is a conversation going on with the Konnected folks
about the Konnected School Board wanting to build a new grade school that is being put to gether as wings on the present West Elk School building.
The conversation was started by Konnected Followers under the wrong topic and moved to Politics.
The discussion is also about the survey and all the personal questions asked on it.
Like what age group you are are in, what town you live in, do you have children West Elk.
None of that matters all they need to know is if you are a taxpayer in the school district.
And they already know that, because they sent you a letter as a taxpayer.
It sounds to me like an Elk Konnected thing mainly because at least two of the Board Members are Elk Konnected. We know how Elk Konnected always said it's all for the kids, don't we?
So really doesn' t this proposal sound like it is coming from Elk Konnected?
After all one of them people, all for a Taj Mahal broached the subject of a conspiracy, doesn't it make you wonder?
I of course corrected him and told him it was politics even though the thread started out in the Coffee Shop it was moved to where it belonged to the Political Section.
If you think the School District really needs to tax you more money for the purpose of appeasing a couple of people for sports by all means tell them to go for it.
If you disagree with that concept and thing the children need a grade school based on critical thinking and being frugal, simply write across their worthless survey "Re-open the Moline Grade School".
But before you make up your mind please visit the other coversation at:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15717.0.html
Yes I am quoting myself, only as a refresher! The School Board is apparently gathering data for some reason, but for what reason? That data is your age group, where you live with in the school district, do you have children at West Elk, whether you rent or own your property. Then they provide a warning alert (no they did not call it that but that is what it is): "The Board will not divulge personally identifiable information about any person who completes this survey." Just why do you suppose they require this disclaimer?
Remember we have Elk Konnected School Board Members? To me this whole survey stinks of Elk Konnected.
Remember how they behaved when they had control of our County Government?
They commandeered our County Web site for their own use, didn't they?
They also commandeered our County Emergency Call System as well, didn't they?
So what is the real purpose of the requested information?
Who is putting together such a database?
For what purpose?
Quote from: ROSS on November 22, 2013, 10:31:38 AM
What a ridiculous survey the School Board put together.
Are they into marketing?
Are they kin to NSA ?
Why do they think they need personal information on this survey?
I am not about to fill out age group or the primary residence information. Will you?
Or whether I am a renter or owner, or if I have children enrolled or not attending West Elk, because this information is irrelevant to the topic. They are trying to gather information they do not need. But for what reason? Will you bow down to them? They received their list from the court house on who the voters are, I'm sure. But when they have public meeting to discuss things like this one they have scheduled, will they ask for voter identtification cards to get in. "NO". Simple isn't it?
Their letter is addressed near the top as:
To: West Elk USD#282 Registered Voters
Simply write, "Re-open the Moline Grade School" across the form.
All their needs will be full filled.
What stinks - er - smells worse me or this coniving? I just took a shower and put on clean clothes!
LOL big time.
The reason for this post is to point out another possible way of gathering data on you and your family. Does the School or the School Board need to keep a data file on you? Or is it for Elk Konnected via the Elk Konnected School Board Members? I think we have enough From NSA spying on our every move and conversation. But You decide for your self!
Please read the following article!
"Don't Tell Your Parents" 6th Grade Assignment at Milan Elementary, MS
While it is unclear if this is explicitly a Common Core assignment or not, a group of students today in Tupelo, MS had quite an interesting assignment. The sixth graders at Milam Elementary were given an assignment to do in class, and they were not to discuss this assignment with their parents.
Naturally, telling a group of kids between the ages of ten and eleven to not tell their parents about an assignment is probably the surest way for them to tell their parents. In fact, it is typically a way to ensure a student sneaks a copy home.
The reason why this is so concerning is that Tupelo prides itself on data driven instruction. Now, data is nice if it helps you figure out if a student needs extra help in a particular area. However, what if that effort is aimed at monitoring the political views of a student? What if there is a shift in student opinion to say, the wrong opinion on gun control or say the wrong opinion on right to life issues? Is the school collecting data toward that end to monitor the political beliefs of these young children? As you check out the school district's video on data driven instruction, ponder for a moment where does monitoring education end and monitoring indoctrination begin?
Then, consider the assignment below. According to a local clergy, this is the assignment that one of these young sixth grade children was given in class. They were told not to tell their parents about the assignment. I find that part disconcerting right there.
The next is the topic: Are you a Republican or a Democrat? I wonder what ever happened to teaching children that they were Americans? Why is there an effort to monitor political opinions so early in a child's life?
Do the parents in Tupelo, MS need to have a conversation with the school board about monitoring for indoctrination versus education? Why were the children told NOT to tell their parents about the assignment? Is this a pre-test of attitudes with another test to be given later? Is this part of the data driven education, to monitor the attitudes and beliefs of students?
While it may seem far fetched, parent political views are part of the P-20 data collected in data driven schools. Why not the child's political views?
In the era before "data driven instruction" an assignment like this might have been received differently. In light of "data driven instruction," are student opinions on this assignment part of the "data?" After similar incidents with surveys in Maryland and other places, it does prompt one to wonder if this is now part of the data.
As a side note to the teacher, she doesn't quite have Republicans corrected stated, unless one is going strictly on party platform. For example under abortion, there are quite a few Republicans pro-choice Republicans. I am not one, but I have met many who are, and I have met many Democrats who keep trying to change their party platform on the matter. Abortion is one of those issues that is difficult to draw a partisan line upon. Even so, I am rather shocked that a teacher is discussing it with ten and eleven year olds.
Further, gun control is another issue that is not strictly partisan. In the part of the world I live in, there are Democrats with a stronger commitment to the second amendment than some Republican Governors, like Chris Christie.
As far as gay marriage is concerned, this teacher has apparently not heard of Log Cabin Republicans. But what I find even more troublesome is that gay marriage is being discussed by a teacher in the classroom. I find it disturbing that a government employee, which is what a public teacher really is, is having a conversation with children of this age on this topic.
Quite frankly, wouldn't classroom time be better spent teaching something like, math, geography, science, art, or music? Maybe it is just me, but I have to wonder political affiliation of 6th graders is a priority in this country? Perhaps more of the basic and less of the politics would bring about higher test scores that these politicians seem to expect from our nation's youth.
http://freepatriot.org/2013/11/23/dont-tell-your-parents-6th-grade-assignment-at-milan-elementary-ms/
I am going to post this at: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15717.new.html#new
I feel this is important enough to be discussed. Do we want our children to be used for data mining?
Be smart, be sensible, be frugal, re-open the
Moline Grade School and
save millions and problems solved. Be Smart, Be Sensible, Be Frugal
Elk Konnected claims on the internet for all the world to see:
Elk Konnected has worked at Elk Konnected, studied at West Elk and lives in Howard, Kansas.
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=elk%20konnected%20facebook
"In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder "What is the future of Elk County"? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
http://www.cascity.com/howard/?p=21
In my opinion they seem to believe communities don't have the right to govern themselves by makig a statement like that and keeping it posted on the internet for all the word to see and that they are a Howard Organization. This presents as a divisionary element in Elk County. Adding the fact that the School Superintendent during a School Board Meeting said, that Howard passed the last School Bond Issue, which is totally impossible for Howard to do by itself.
I believe the point may have been to concentrate on getting the 25% of Howard voters that voted against the School Bond Issue to change their minds. This in my opinion would be placing the emphasis once again on Howard.
On their web site they state:
Elk Konnected Accredited Community
Community Contact
Dr. David Whetstone (316) 708-0296 (listed on each and every page of Elk Konnected web site)
Steering Committee
Jennifer Montgomery
Liz Hendricks
Tommie Barnaby
David Whetstone (School Board Memer)
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/
David Whetstone is an elected member of the West Elk USD 283 School Board, that is at least one, we have no Idea who else on the School Board is a member of the School Board, do we? If anyone knows it would be appreciated if you post that information or PM me and I will do it for you (anonymously).
So to my point Elk Konnected claimed from the Get-Go that they wanted to engage Elk County residents on this forum. The School Board has said they want more citizens involved. Well, Mr. David Whestone right here is the best opportunity you will ever have as Elk Konnected and as a School Board Member to do just that, in opinion! Will you grab this opportunity or wait until the door closes.
Let's have a real discussion about building a new School Building but splitting it into sections and attaching it to the present building, shall we?
Let's have a real discussion about why the Moline Grade School is isn't being discussed as a wise, frugal and a multi-million dollar savings to the taxpayers? Are you up to a legitimate discussion?
Even though we will have a Kommunity Meeting, it will not be an official School Board Meeting and therefore no official minutes of the meeting and no official record of the meeting, right? Quite convenient for who ever is behind this push isn't it?
But, I bet our local newspaper editor will be there, to write a story in the paper, right?
You don't suppose it would read like the old Elk Konnected stories, do you?
No, your meeting at West Elk is not an open and honest discussion! Why you may ask? Perhaps intimidation, wasn't that what Elk Konnected said, isn't that why Elk Konnected claimed to use Circles of Chairs? And, Because I believe you will have the Sheriffs office personnel available the same way Elk Konnected did to escort people out that don't agree with you based only on fear.
Here on the forum you should have no fear, pretty simple huh?
And while using this forum you would be adding to improving more relations with many more people, right? I have heard you are presently employed as a Public Relations person, is that correct? This a great opportunity for PR isn't it? And it would probably increase public involvement on our local Forum, don't ya reckon?
So come-on Konnected Mr. Whetstone won't you engage the West Elk School District taxpayers in an open and honest and documented dialog? Bring the rest of the School Board along with you, please?
Let's discuss re-opening a perfectly good school building, the Moline Grade School?
Are you up to it, or is it perhaps because Howard does not want to bus their kids to Moline for school. Never mind the Millions of dollars that would be saved for the taxpayers.
Always looking for a hand out aren't we? One way or another, even through taxation.
Instead why not try:
Be smart, be sensible, be frugal, re-open the
Moline Grade School and
save millions and problems solved. Be Smart, Be Sensible, Be Frugal
Be smart, be sensible, be frugal, re-open the
Moline Grade School and
save millions and problems solved. Be Smart, Be Sensible, Be Frugal
Let me clarify those problems I have read about, okay!
And hw the problem could be solved and save millions of dollars for the taxpayer and not have to raise property taxes for the next twenty years.
Middle School and High School Students having to socialize with Grade Schoolers.
Middle School and High School Students having to sh
Middle School and High School Students having to share the gymnasium with Grade Schoolers.
Need more class rooms so the ugly portable buildings can be disposed. (only a half million taxpayer dollars invested in them) Oh well !
Need more office space.
West Elk is crowded.
Re-opening the Moline Grade School would fill all those voids for far less than 5 or 6 million dollars or maybe even more, wouldn't it?
Just ask Moline City Council to sell it back for the Dollar you sold it to them for !
Perhaps pay them double for a profit ! LOL
How about that School Board, save millions of dollars for the taxpayers, or do you care?
Waiting for paitently for an answer from so called commuity leaders !
Wow! I got my magazine from my rural electric cooperative, Kansas Living and I can't believe it !
Did I miss it! Help me out please ?
I couldn't find any articles in the magazine written by Elk Konnected or Public Squares Communities ?
If I missed them can you tell me what page to look on ?
Another question for you, if you please ?
How many threads are necessary to try to convince taxpayers to pay more taxes to build a Taj Mahal for Howard ? When they already have enough building ! Just asking ?
Be smart, be sensible, be frugal, re-open the
Moline Grade School and
save millions and problems solved. Be Smart, Be Sensible, Be Frugal
This is what real leadership in a School Board should be concentrating on, instead of building a Grade School that is not needed. Concentrate on education and the misuse of it. This is effectively re-writing history or flat out omitting true history. Is this what we want for our children, is this what the School Board wants for our children, a lack of a full education?
It appears the Federal Government wants less then a full education for the Kids, Doesn't it?
Is this related to the critical thinking of which the School Board has made numerous remarks about, that they want to teach at West Elk?
Well is it?
Is it Possible To Teach Students The Meaning Behind President Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address Without Mentioning The Civil War?
Common Core Instructs Students to Learn About Gettysburg Address Without Mentioning Civil War
According to the government's new Common Core education standards, the Gettysburg Address must be taught without mentioning the Civil War and explaining why President Lincoln was in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania.
The Student Achievement Partners instructions tell teachers to, "Refrain from giving background context or substantial instructional guidance at the outset...This close reading approach forces students to rely exclusively on the text...and levels the playing field for all students as the seek to comprehend Lincoln's address."
(See a Video at:) http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/12/01/common-core-instructs-students-learn-about-gettysburg-address-without-mentioning-civil
While the School Board is busy teaching
Critical Thinking how about throwing in a little
Frugality the quality of being economical with money; thriftiness.
Add to that a little bit of education in
Constraint, by an act of employing some
Constraint.
EG, by Practicing some Constraint now. After all, if the School Board can not practice it how can they hope to have it taught?
Be smart, be sensible, be frugal, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be Smart, Be Sensible, Be Frugal
If it can happen at the state level and they can make excuses, what do you think might happen at the School District Level?
Every meeting I attended when they discussed building the new grade school the contractor/salesman increased the millions. It went from $1.2 M to $5 M to maybe $6 M and maybe more based on inflation. And that did not include numerous other expenses for the School District. Go figure!
Back to the state, and the poor planning, good job folks.
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Restoration road map: How Kansas' Capitol project doubled in cost
By Travis Perry / November 29, 2013
WORTH IT?: The coming weeks will see the completion of the decade-spanning restoration of the Kansas Capitol Building, a project that has doubled in time and cost since it started in 2001.
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE, Kan. — About a month and a half from now, state officials will be swapping smiles, handshakes and grandiose praise beneath the shiny new gleam of the Kansas Capitol's newly copper-clad dome.
But there's likely to be one fact that doesn't get much play when state lawmakers celebrate the conclusion of Kansas' epic restoration of the Capitol building: The price tag.
Originally slated to take five to eight years and cost $90 to $120 million, the restoration of the Capitol has essentially doubled in both time and cost since its inception in 2001.
However Rep. Jay Emler, R-Lindsborg, said that technically isn't the case. While the final cost is roughly $320 million, he said original estimates anticipated that costs could — or would — change over the duration of the project. Initial figures were never set in stone, he added.
See the rest of the article at http://watchdog.org/118096/kansas-capitol-restoration/
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Think it couldn't happen here. Think again, there was a lot of wishy-washy at those school board meetings in my opinion. Heck remember they hired that professor/Doctor to walk them through very elementary decisions. This new grade school folks is not elementary.
First it is not needed as long as the Moline Grade School is standing.
Second I don't believe they have a clue as to what they are doing.
Third I think there is a third party or other force pushing this dumb idea of building a Grade School and attaching it as pieces to the present building.
Silly ideas about improving the economy for Howard, I believe plays a big part in all this crap as well!
What would that mean to the average taxpayer --- absolutely nothing!
What would that mean to the Howard Merchant --- more money in their tills and bank accounts --- but guess what folks that silly idea won't work so for the merchant just additional property tax.
The words Economic Development are hollow unless you bring industry in from outside the county with good paying jobs and the money that would come with it. And Elk County doesn't even have an industrial park where a company could build.
Why would the School Board discuss the failure of a School Bond Issue in April and discuss coming back at you again in November? Just think about that, please.
To try to ram it down your throat, a whole lot like Obama and his ObamaCare, isn't it?
How many lies and false promises did Obama throw at the Public to create what he considers his legacy?
Will the same thing or is the same thing happening in Elk County?
Remember Elk Konnected and their School Board Members, I wonder, do you wonder is this may be similar to what Obama has done?
You have told the School Board "NO" and just like my adolescent son who comes back again and again with a new way in an attempt to change my mind and I still say no. The School Board has the same plan as my adolescent son.
That is what is going to be required of the School District Taxpayers, be strong parents and stick to your original answer of "NO". They will eventually learn you mean business, just like my adolescent son learns. It is either that or you encourage a spoiled brat, and then when will they stop wanting even more.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
I thought, I'd share with you on this thread, the encouragement, I am receiving on another thread.
Quote from: Wilma on November 30, 2013, 09:28:57 PM
Ross, shut up.
To me it simply means the truth hurts.
It was not my intention to hurt anyone, so I apologize for any
perceived pain.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Can a huge building teach children! I don't think so! Do you?
Here is some information that might be helpful to School Boards who want to rely on a Taj Mahal to increase educational standards.
Oh, has the School Board recognized the numbers concerning poverty in it area? Don't you think those numbers should tell you something? Approximately half of your students are on free meals for poverty reasons aren't they? Or is that a lie just to get funds from the state? Just askin'.
I just read this on the internet and thought I'd share it with you: "Sellin' soap's like sellin' hope, you can't sell either one without a little bit of lye." Rather clever isn't it? But in some cases it might take a a whole lot of Lye, huh?
U.S. Achievement Stalls as Other Nations Make GainsPublished Online: December 3, 2013
http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2013/12/03/14pisa.h33.html?tkn=TSUFY8eJwGjORp6VIB2zsB9KBk7fFE8xipyG&cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS1
Performance-Based Test for Teachers Rolls Out
Published Online: December 2, 2013
Published in Print: December 4, 2013, as Performance Key on Teacher Tests
http://www.edweek.org/newsletter/daily-update/2013/12/02/email/ewupdate.html?cmp=ENL-EU-TOPNAV
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Ross, I find your constant referral to the town of Howard as How-weird offensive. You might think you are being witty and funny, but you are coming off as an instigator. It seems that you are trying to ignite a feud in this county. Luckily, the majority of people in this county are sane enough to see you for what you really are...a blow-hard that spouts off his mouth without a full understanding of the matters at hand. Yes, I know you have been to board meetings and I know you have posted documents, but you have only heard the things you want to hear so you can twist and manipulate t hose words, and then ignored the rest of the rest. You can go ahead and tear apart my post, I could care less. Just want you to know that the majority of Elk Countians, including those from Moline, think you are a joke!
Daisy, you said it all and said it very well.
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Ross, I find your constant referral to the town of Howard as How-weird offensive.
My, my are we testy! I find your being offended to be offensive. LOL So you must be from Howard or How-weird. How-weird has been around far longer than I have! And you can thank an Elk Konnected Follower in Delaware for reviving it! Their must be some truth in it or it would not be the least bit offensive, now would it?
After all How- weird is it that:
1. Elk Konnected says it went to school at Howard West Elk, when there is no Howard West Elk ---- How – weird is that?
2. The School West Elk is located outside of Howard, yet on the Schools out of town games they list it as Howard West Elk --- How –weird is that?
3. The School was awarded highway signs in recognition in sports and the signs are placed at the Howard City Limits instead of at the School, in essence Howard is stealing the Glory from the School --- How-weird is that?
4. The City of Howard wanted to move their City Limits South to Encompass West Elk, it didn't happen but still How _weir is that?
5. Elk Konnected was instrumental in closing down the grade schools by holding Kommunity Konversations, and Elk Konnected is a Howard LTD isn't it? How-weird is that?
There is much more and I am sure people know them better than I do. --- How-weird is that?
You might think you are being witty and funny, but you are coming off as an instigator. [/quote]
You are quite correct I am an instigator, I don't deny it. Why should I? An instigator is not necessarily a bad thing. This country has tons of leaders that are instigators. An Instigator is a person who brings about or initiates something. I have been in anstigator in the sense that I ask people to think about what I may tell them and what people of your ilk might tell them. But I go even furthyer and ask that they do't believe a thing I say? Have you done that is not How – weird, but it weird isn't it? That's me a weird, crazy old man that is tired of being taxed to death but people that call themselves the Elite and leaders of the community. And because those same people think using the children as an excuse to building a Taj Mahal will cause people to move to Howard and bring more money into the retailers in in Howard. Our School District and Children should not be used as neither a political tool or economic tool against the taxpayers --- simple --- not weird at all.
Oh and the word ilk is not a bad word either, okay.OK!
Ya need a sense of humor Daisy?
Ya don't seem to have a sense of humor, is that perhaps because what I ask people to think about irks you. I want Is it because you want just the opposite of what? I don't want higher property taxes just to appease someone's EGO.
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
It seems that you are trying to ignite a feud in this county. [/quote]
Are you talking about the Feud between H and the rest of the county that has been going on for decades? Why does Howard keep feeding it?
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Luckily, the majority of people in this county are sane enough to see you for what you really are...a blow-hard that spouts off his mouth without a full understanding of the matters at hand. [/quote]
The matter at hand is very simple! You simply try to make it complex!
Your ilk wanted to shut down the grade schools so you could build a Taj Mahal near Howard for stupid Economic Development reasons --- simple.
There is a building standing there that was built to handle 600 children and only has 340 (maybe) children attending there. This is information you did not want disseminate to the public, right?
You had a School Bond Issue to build a new Grade School and were told "NO" isn't that right?
So you or whoever re-brands the idea as building that new Grade School only attach it as extensions on to West Elk. Nothing new in that idea, except for the fact that perhaps someone thinks most of the voters and taxpayers are voters too stupid to figure it out.
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Yes, I know you have been to board meetings and I know you have posted documents, but you have only heard the things you want to hear so you can twist and manipulate t hose words, and then ignored the rest of the rest. You can go ahead and tear apart my post, I could care less.
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First I am not tearing apart your post I am simply separating parts of it in order to avoid confusion in our conversation. Tearing it apart is simply bad language in an attempt to make me look like an ogre, but my looks should not play apart in this. LOL
I am so thankful that you are aware that I have attended meetings and if you failed to notice I frequently state what I write is my opinion and please don't believe a word of it. Also ask people to find out for themselves. But you know saying I twist things is exactly why the meetings are not streamed via the internet, or recorded , that is also why the minutes of the meetings have been lacking. However, I have noticed since m complaining about the minutes they have improved but still a lot is left out.
By not having a recording you or anyone else can claim anything you want and call others liars without calling them liars.
As far as the rest of the story, where is it? Where is all of it? Do you have it?
Will you share it? Who will answer the hard questions?
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Just want you to know that the majority of Elk Countians, including those from Moline, think you are a joke! [/quote]
Thank you for your personal opinion! You know what I you are right? Everyone deserves a good laugh. And that would mean everyone is thinking for themselves, good deal!
The when they vote down this ridiculous idea again, you won't be able to blame me for your failure to fool them? And your influence if you have any fizzles, sorry!
Now that sounds like a good deal to me, what do you think?
Let's talk some more, soon, Okay? OK!
And let's make it a two sided conversation!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 01:10:33 PM
Daisy, you said it all and said it very well.
That's all you got frawin?
Are you the local EGo builder?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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I bet all these Taj Mahal builders would vote Obama back in office again if they could, just a thought!
Hasn't Obama built a Taj Mahal of a Health Insurance Program?
Liberal Progressive Socialist, is that right?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Is it time to start another thread on this subjec yet?
The main 2 Liberal Leftist on the Forum that supported Obuma are also supporting you. I. Never voted Democrat in my life, I don't see what support of better schools has to do with being Liberal. I think trying to reopen the Moline Grade School would be a mistake. It would take a lot of repairs. You would make the Severy area grade school children ride the bus 21 miles instead of the current 12, I think the district would loose some of the Severy kids to Eureka. You would have to bus more kids from Howard to Moline that would be transported from Moline to Howard. You obviously have never served on any boards, saying that the Superintendent shouldn't sit with the Board is a dead give away that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The superintendent is involved in virtually 100% of all of the business that comes before the board! he runs he school system on a day-to-day schedule.
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
The main 2 Liberal Leftist on the Forum that supported Obuma are also supporting you. I. Never voted Democrat in my life, I don't see what support of better schools has to do with being Liberal. I think trying to reopen the Moline Grade School would be a mistake. It would take a lot of repairs. You would make the Severy area grade school children ride the bus 21 miles instead of the current 12, I think the district would loose some of the Severy kids to Eureka. You would have to bus more kids from Howard to Moline that would be transported from Moline to Howard. You obviously have never served on any boards, saying that the Superintendent shouldn't sit with the Board is a dead give away that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The superintendent is involved in virtually 100% of all of the business that comes before the board! he runs he school system on a day-to-day schedule.
You are correct Frank, every superintendent in the Topeka school area goes to all board meetings and they also attend all of the school function's and games. And like you I have never voted democrat and never will.
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
The main 2 Liberal Leftist on the Forum that supported Obuma are also supporting you.
I surely don't have a clue whom those people, you are referring to might be. I believe you are just making that up to fill space. And that would be a good reason for not saying who they you are badmouthing. Tch, tch!
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
I. Never voted Democrat in my life, I don't see what support of better schools has to do with being Liberal.
Voting for increasing the size of a building that is un-needed because you have a building designed to hold 600 children and only 340 enrolled with a declining population just isn't being conservative in my opinion. And instead sounds very liberal with other people's money! And narry a word mentioned about improving educational standards for all the children.
Do you believe a building; a Taj Mahal improves educational standards for all the children?
Does building a super sports complex improve educational standards for all the children?
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
I think trying to reopen the Moline Grade School would be a mistake. It would take a lot of repairs.
I do believe any good conservative in his right mind could easily see that any repairs would to the Moline Grade School would be far less then the 5 or 6 Million dollars to build a new grade school as attachments to West Elk.
I also believe any good conservative in his right mind would recognize that not repairing the Schools roof while still under warranty was foolish and would have been far less expensive than the $500,000 spent on portable buildings they now want to dispose of.
They were addressing those portable buildings as eyesores as soon as they put them in, what a shame.
I believe they told the state they saved $150,000 dollars shutting down two grade Schools. But did they tell the state what it is costing to replace their screw up. Will they explain the $500,000 in portable buildings they want to dispose of? Huh, will they?
Will they even explain it to the taxpayer that they want to tax for the next twenty years?
Well will they? How about all the taxpayer money that was invested in the Moline Grade School? What about that? How liberal can a conservative in Kansas be?
I really want to understand, truly I do!
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
You would make the Severy area grade school children ride the bus 21 miles instead of the current 12, I think the district would loose some of the Severy kids to Eureka. You would have to bus more kids from Howard to Moline that would be transported from Moline to Howard.
What was that town Public Squares Communities wrote about that didn't have a School and bused their kids 20 miles, but Public Squares said they were doing so great. Perhaps the President of public Squares and Founder of Elk Konnected might come on here and refresh do us? Do you suppose she might do us that favor?
But really ten minutes more on the bus would not harm them, now would it?
But you Really get to the real point in my opinion, don't bus Howard kids to Moline!
Howard kids deserve better treatment than other kids, isn't that right?
Quote from: frawin on December 06, 2013, 03:24:51 PM
You obviously have never served on any boards, saying that the Superintendent shouldn't sit with the Board is a dead give away that you don't have a clue what you are talking about. The superintendent is involved in virtually 100% of all of the business that comes before the board! he runs he school system on a day-to-day schedule.
The School Board is an elected body, members are elected to sit on the School Board. The School Superintendent is not elected to sit on the School Board.
Remember the previous school superintendent, I saw him actually get up on their table with his knuckles and flat told the Board Members they could not talk about something. It is Not his job to order the School Board around is it? That is how familiarity leads to contempt. An employee sitting on the School Board, pretty simple. They don't even follow Robert's Rule of Order!
Yes, the School Superintendent runs the school on a day to day to day business and that is what the taxpayers pay him to do as an employee of the Elected Members of the School Board. He is not paid to be Superintendent of the School Board now is he? He can sit in the audience right along side the School Principal and School Teachers and answer any questions the School Board may ask him concerning the operation of the school instead of sitting at the head of the School Board and controlling the meeting. That's my opinion and I stand by it.
And yes, I have served on a Board and you can read about it in this thread. For you to say that the School Superintendent should sit on the School Board Shows your lack of understanding protocol and the other things mentioned in the next couple of lines.
I was also in the military and I understand the importance of decorum, leadership and chain of command. The purpose is to keep things operating smoothly and how it prevents an appearance of deception.
Thank you for further encouraging me. I couldn't do this without your support.
Quote from: Jane on December 06, 2013, 06:52:25 PM
You are correct Frank, every superintendent in the Topeka school area goes to all board meetings and they also attend all of the school function's and games. And like you I have never voted democrat and never will.
Attend functions and games may be part of their contract, but sitting on the School Board is not. People are elected to sit on the School Board.
So if all them people jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, I suppose you would expect us to follow suit?
Two wrongs do not make a right, nor do fifty wrongs? Now do they?
Would you please show me in the School Board Rules that the School Superintendent or anyone else that is not elected to the School Board is permitted to sit on the School Board?
School board members are charged, by law, with providing quality education for the youth of your community.
Exactly where is that quality education for every child enrolled in the West Elk School District?
Quote from: daisy on December 06, 2013, 11:31:26 AM
Luckily, the majority of people in this county are sane enough to see you for what you really are...a blow-hard that spouts off his mouth without a full understanding of the matters at hand.
So if I am a crazy old fart that knows nothing and the majority of the people in the county see me that way, why are you and Frawin so concerned with what I have to say? Just asking! What are you so worried about?
By the way I have said a couple of times, "I'm crazy but I ain't insane" and "I am high, but not on drugs, but on high on life." So continue on with your crusade and have a great time, Okay? OK!
Good night all from a crazy old man of a taxpayer and voter! Sleep well and remember there is always a better solution.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Ross, I am here to tell you that I am a unapologetic democrat. I voted for and campaigned for Obama in both elections. However that has nothing to do with this issue.
Frank, (Frawin) is referring to me as being on his most nasty liberal list. I do not consider myself to be particularly liberal but that is beside the point.
Frank, (Frawin) lives in Bartlesville and does not vote in Elk county. Jane lives in Topeka and does not vote in Elk county. This is an issue that involves Elk county and its' voters. I think it rather odd that some of the most vocal supporters for this issue do not even live here. The others are directly involved with the schools, not counting Wilma.
As for common sense; it tells me that this issue will fail, and if presented again will likely fail again. I have not spoken to even one person who is supporting this bond issue, and feel that this board is once again wasting our very limited resources. For shame.
This is not a democrat issue, nor is it a republican issue but an issue that involves the taxpayers of Elk county. All others should bow out gracefully or otherwise. And as for shanghaiing other threads to promote this thing is just funny IMHO. Carry on Ross in your crazy funny way. Your message is getting across guy. You got 'em skeered! :D :D
I have to disagree on at least one point. This issue involves the children of our district, not just the taxpayers. I ask again, have you actually seen the conditions at West Elk? Talking to people that have not witnessed the conditions is going to get you negative responses. Talk to the teachers, to the other people who work there or have reason to know what the conditions are. The taxpayers of this district, for the most part, are people who are thinking with their pocketbook, not their intelligence. How much will this issue actually add to your taxes? The price of a pack of cigarettes or one trip to another state or a couple of bottles of wine? A hunting trip perhaps? There are a lot of things that I could and would give up to improve conditions at West Elk.
I do believe that Jane does pay taxes in Elk County. I don't know about Frank, but I do know that he and his wife are deeply rooted in Elk County. Actually, their roots are deeper than mine.
Rex and Jane pay lots of taxes in Elk county, I have owned land and paid taxes in Elk County for several years, I am currently looking at buying more land in Elk County. Any tax increase for t he school would be minimal and an increase I will Gladly pay. Wilma Elk County needs more people like you.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on December 06, 2013, 11:55:46 PM
Ross, I am here to tell you that I am a unapologetic democrat. I voted for and campaigned for Obama in both elections. However that has nothing to do with this issue.
Frank, (Frawin) is referring to me as being on his most nasty liberal list. I do not consider myself to be particularly liberal but that is beside the point.
Frank, (Frawin) lives in Bartlesville and does not vote in Elk county. Jane lives in Topeka and does not vote in Elk county. This is an issue that involves Elk county and its' voters. I think it rather odd that some of the most vocal supporters for this issue do not even live here. The others are directly involved with the schools, not counting Wilma.
As for common sense; it tells me that this issue will fail, and if presented again will likely fail again. I have not spoken to even one person who is supporting this bond issue, and feel that this board is once again wasting our very limited resources. For shame.
This is not a democrat issue, nor is it a republican issue but an issue that involves the taxpayers of Elk county. All others should bow out gracefully or otherwise. And as for shanghaiing other threads to promote this thing is just funny IMHO. Carry on Ross in your crazy funny way. Your message is getting across guy. You got 'em skeered! :D :D
sixdogsmom, please accept my sincerest appology!
I did not mean to offend you, not in the least !
I am not at all that good at this, my real goal is to slow down, what I believe are the Konnected folks with their half baked ideas of what education is and what thet economic development is and the children should not be used as pawns in their games with the taxpayers.
They don't care how much of yours or my money they spend.
I am doing the best I know how.
And truthfully, I have no animosity towards anyone for any political persuasion or religious persuasion.
I do have a very important question for them, that they will probably dodge or side step the way most politicians do?
Who came up with this idea originally?
The idea of building a Grade School as wings to West Elk?
No, not the school board --- what one person brought up the idea to the School Board?
Or will this remain anonymous as things did with Elk Konnected?
Did the Board Members that are Elk Konnected bring the idea over from Elk Konnected?
After all just look at all the ridiculous ideas on page one of this thread that were anonymous and provided to the County Commissioners Meeting. The ideas came from an Elk Konnected Kommunity meeting, didn't they, and no body has came forward claiming responsibility for even one of these hair-brained ideas, or the good ones (few of them) either?
Are we dealing with more of the same?
The question again who came up with this idea? And just what is wrong with other options and saving millions of dollars and what is wrong with doing something sensible, if a Grade School is really required?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Quote from: frawin on December 07, 2013, 08:51:04 AM
Rex and Jane pay lots of taxes in Elk county, I have owned land and paid taxes in Elk County for several years, I am currently looking at buying more land in Elk County. Any tax increase for t he school would be minimal and an increase I will Gladly pay. Wilma Elk County needs more people like you.
As long as others are forced to pay taxes for free government schools and control over other peoples' kids, you're for it, plus increasing taxes and control. You've have quite a liberal/socialist mindset.
Sixdogsmom,
No I do not live in Howard but we do own land in Howard and own a house. We may not vote but we pay taxes big time. l do not see you telling Diane to mine her business when she tells everybody which way to turn.
Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
I have to disagree on at least one point. This issue involves the children of our district, not just the taxpayers.
Sure it involves the children, but that is a bad excuse for mature adult decisions based on common sense. Your continued use of the children as an excuse borders on abuse of mature adult responsibility and thinking in my personal opinion. There is a great deal of difference between WANT and NEED!
Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
I ask again, have you actually seen the conditions at West Elk? Talking to people that have not witnessed the conditions is going to get you negative responses. Talk to the teachers, to the other people who work there or have reason to know what the conditions are.
I ask you again why hasn't an efficiency expert been called in to assess this Situation.
Why hasn't a State Audit been Called for?
Why do you believe a contractor/salesman about 1.2 million at the first School Board meeting and then he starts talking 5 and 6 million dollar That is what an expert salesmen does, isn't it, sell as much as they can?
But you choose not to believe him when he says the classrooms are luxurious, why?
When were bids sent out for construction and how many contratractors responded?
And what were the bid amounts? But really who cares about being frugal? Right? Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
The taxpayers of this district, for the most part, are people who are thinking with their pocketbook, not their intelligence.
Wow, are you confused! It is the intelligent thing to do when someone wants another persons money. I suppose when you are shopping at Walmart, you lay your purse on the bench near the front door and don't think about it until you are ready to check out. I suppose you give no thought to how much anything cost that you put in your basket and whether you will be able to afford it, let alone be able to pay for it? No, I didn't think so!
Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
How much will this issue actually add to your taxes? The price of a pack of cigarettes or one trip to another state or a couple of bottles of wine? A hunting trip perhaps? There are a lot of things that I could and would give up to improve conditions at West Elk.
That's cost is not the only issue. It is not an improvement that is not needed!
And it is simply re-branding of the School Bond Issue of a couple of years ago.
Someone wants a Grade School so they design it as extensions to West Elk --- very simple ploy against the taxpayers named after them. Who or what special interest group will this building if conceived will it be dedicated to?
Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
I do believe that Jane does pay taxes in Elk County. I don't know about Frank, but I do know that he and his wife are deeply rooted in Elk County. Actually, their roots are deeper than mine.
Most every white person roots that go back to Europe, and if you believe in the bible their roots go back to Adam and Eve. Their roots have absolutely nothing to do with this. What a waste of intelligent thinking. But if they are registered to vote does their vote does have to do with the to increase the issue.
How do you ever hope to increase the population of Elk County or the enrollment at West Elk or the economic conditions of Elk County with that attitude? The only thing you would be left with would be inbreeding. Ridiculous! The population here continues to decline, doesn't it? Please try again!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Quote from: Jane on December 07, 2013, 09:06:59 AM
Sixdogsmom,
No I do not live in Howard but we do own land in Howard and own a house. We may not vote but we pay taxes big time. l do not see you telling Diane to mine her business when she tells everybody which way to turn.
We all must remember this is an open forum provided to each of us by the owners and at no cost. Let's thank the owners and be gracious to them. (Did Ijust suck up, LOL)
I have only suggested to Diane that she involve herself in her community in Delaware.
I have explained to Diane that Delaware is Delaware and Elk Couty is in Kansas. And are as different as Apples and Oranges.
But, I would never be so rude as tell her to, "Shut Up" as I have been recently told.
I accept your imput just as I accept anyone else's input.
Just remember there are plenty of choices in this world and the choices in the West Elk School District will be up to the voters in the West Elk School District! Please notice I did not say the Howard West Elk School District, because there is no Howard West Elk School District!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Quote from: Wilma on December 07, 2013, 08:06:43 AM
I have to disagree on at least one point. This issue involves the children of our district, not just the taxpayers. I ask again, have you actually seen the conditions at West Elk? Talking to people that have not witnessed the conditions is going to get you negative responses. Talk to the teachers, to the other people who work there or have reason to know what the conditions are. The taxpayers of this district, for the most part, are people who are thinking with their pocketbook, not their intelligence. How much will this issue actually add to your taxes? The price of a pack of cigarettes or one trip to another state or a couple of bottles of wine? A hunting trip perhaps? There are a lot of things that I could and would give up to improve conditions at West Elk.
I do believe that Jane does pay taxes in Elk County. I don't know about Frank, but I do know that he and his wife are deeply rooted in Elk County. Actually, their roots are deeper than mine.
Wilma, I thought about what you said about my roots, interestingly at one time my family owned the land where the West Elk school is. Several of us were born on that farm including me. My family came to Howard in the 1920s,
Seven of the 15 of us were born on that Farm.
Even more interesting is that Janes husband, Rex's family lived right across the highway from the West Elk complex.
What in the world does any of that have to do with the price of eggs Frank?
Makes as much sense as your and Ross' Happy Thanksgiving posts did in the middle of the Proposed Classroom Additions thread.
Quote from: ddurbin on December 07, 2013, 09:03:02 PM
Makes as much sense as your and Ross' Happy Thanksgiving posts did in the middle of the Proposed Classroom Additions thread.
.
Not by a longshot.
ROFLMAO ha, ha, ha!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Geeesh! :P :P
Quote from: sixdogsmom on December 07, 2013, 09:51:03 PM
Geeesh! :P :P
Yeah, sixdogsmom, how in the world can a person compare what he had to say about well wishes to all, which included him.
I sure hope he learns and understands I have no ill feelings towards anyone about the present debate!
To me it is not personal, it is political. If I should come across the man on broken down on the highway or any other situation, I would stop and offer my assistance.
I sure hope he has the best of Christmas' this year.
I am going to make the best of Christmas that I can, during these rough times our Country is struggeling through. And I will pray for all those that are not as fortunate as I am. My heart goes out to the jobless and the homeless every Christmas, I suppose because I was in that situation my self in 1998.
But this debat about the present situation has not developed any animosity in me for anybody.
So, I guess all these people pushing for a multi-million dollar debt don't know anything!
I asked where the idea originated to build extensions on to West Elk.
(Isn't that just being deceptive? Building a Grade School only re-branding as extensions, isn't that all that all they are doing? Just think about that, please. They also said they expect to get a no vote in April and want to return in November for another shot at the voters. That alone should tell you something is wrong with this whole idea.)
And nary a single answer?
Apparently whoever came up with the idea has no pride in his/her idea and will continue to hide out, don't ya suppose?
No one seems to have the leadership quality of responsibility and transparency!
Why do you suppose that is?
Is it because there is something wrong with what is happening?
How about publishing what this mess has already cost the West Elk taxpayer?
How much has already been paid out to this contractor.
Where is the transparency?
How about some open honest dialog with the School Board Members right here for the taxpaying public?
Or aren't you a government of the people, for the people and by the people?I think it is pretty safe to say that both veterinarians are
Elk Konnected, please correct me if I am wrong. I would like to ask how many other board members are
Elk Konnected ? Answering this question
truthfully would be the very
first positive step towards transparency, don't you think?
There is only one reason for not answering and that is secrecy, right?
Otherwise for sure any voter in their right mind would automatically vote no on any school bond issue that this board puts before them, in my opinion.
Remember the issues with the Kounty Kommissioners Board, before the last County Commissioners election? History is very important, isn't it?
So, how about it, how about some transparency?
Is there any real leadership involved in all of this?
They don't want to consider alternatives to save taxpayers millions, in my opinion.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Just so no one misses my conversation with Diane I'm reposting it here:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Ross, by the way, the numbers I gave you about classrooms and number of students were from Maryland, not Delaware.
Who cares, those numbers are as different as apples and oranges. We are Elk County, Kansas in the Center of the US of A and not out on the North Eastern Seaboard or anywhere close to it. Here are the statistics of your Apples and Oranges. Ya just can't compare them as being the same. I have tried real hard to explain this to you! Does this help? Do you comprehend the difference or do you need more edumaction teacher?
Talbot County, Maryland
Population 5.885 million (2012)
Persons per square mile, 2010 594.8
Population, 2012 estimate 38,098
Median household income, 2007-2011 $63,399
Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2007-2011 $352,200 $319,800
Elk County, Kansas, Population 81,758.72 Square miles
2.886 million (2012)
Persons per square mile, 2010 34.9
Population, 2012 estimate 2,720
Median household income, 2007-2011 $34,246
Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2007-2011 $53,200
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Do you ever really listen to what others have to say?..I mean really listen? You seem so full of yourself, you would never hear another good idea if it was presented to you on a gold platter! Have you, yourself, researched what other similiar sized communities with similar problems have done to take care of their particular issues? Smacking me because of where I live does not mean I don't know anything about kids, education in general, and the give and take on solving educationally associated problems.
You too my dear are so full of yourself,
Elk Konnected, belonging to organizations that tell you how to think and the denial of facts that we are not on the
North Easter Seaboard.I am not smacking you because of where you live. I am not smacking you at all. But you are still very thoroughly confused about the difference between Elk County financial and population in comparison to the
heavily populated states and their finances on the North Eastern Seaboard. Why don't you apply all those skills you brag about in your own community or state? I'm sure they have plenty of problems you could help them solve. You could even attend their School Board Meetings like i do here!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
If things were "fixed " what would you have to bellyache about?
If they were "fixed" you would have nowhere to be able to compare your Apples and Oranges, would you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Listen to what the kids that go to West Elk have to say. How about asking the teachers who work in the portables how they feel about them? On the one hand you are saying there have been no small town school shootings so the portables are just fine,but on the other hand they are awful things that must be gotten rid of. Can't have those kids exposed to Kansas weather to go into the main building. but you don't want a safe area in a storm shelter either.
You sure are getting better at
twisting words , just like a good politician or someone from some organization. Keep practicing, practice makes perfect. But, okay. back on subject okay.
Are the teachers going to pay for the classroom they are hired to work in?
If the teacher is a resident of the School District she has just as much say as I do, or any other voter does, but no more say, than the rest of us --- when she/he cast their ballot. Don't you understand that is how the system works ?
I never have never said there has never been a small town school shooting, I
asked (now you pay attention please!). I a
sked for a link to a small town school shooting, in a town 60 to 80 miles from the nearest Metropolitan Area. Can you provide that information? I really doubt it! And it had nothing what so ever to do with the portable buildings
That statement about the storm protection is just so much bull. If you recall it was the foolishness of the School Board that put the children in portable buildings that cost $500,000 and the same School Board that foolish in my opinion that wants to foolishly put the School District millions of dollars in debt to build a Taj Mahal for How-weird! By the way thanks for sharing that How -- weird thing. I never knew that before you told me. Back to the storm shelter thing apparently there is plenty of warning time and the portable buildings are practically attached to the building and have covered walkways. And apparently the School Board was comfortable with that when they spent $500,000 to install them.
In case you didn't know the school had a serious discussion about hiring their own police officer and apparently decided it was not necessary.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
You also don't acknowledge the costs of re-openimg a moth balled school, or the transportation cost increases once kids are back to further travel distances.
Oh but I have, I believe you should back up to your question to me. Let me quote you:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
Do you ever really listen to what others have to say?..I mean really listen?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
I actually think some of the kids here travel further to school than some of yours do. The kids who go to choice schools travel 12,14 or more miles to school, one way. Plus, you never had to deal with forced desegregation. The kids then were on the busses more than an hour each way. Distance is distance no matter what state it's in.
Again, Apples and Oranges! You have far more highways for one and there are many, many more factors involved than simply mileage. So get over yourself.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 09, 2013, 11:17:31 AM
When are you going to pin down what your real problem is?
I could pin my problem down to it being you, but I won't. Because, I enjoy your maladjusted communications. Keep 'em coming. You forgot to spell check your post teacher. I thought, I'd remind you, because you remind everyone else and I thought you would appreciate it in return.
Here is sincerely wishing you a Very Merry Christmas.
Do you by any chance follow national news?
Have you read what Mr. Greenspan has to say about today's Economy?
He is far more intelligent than you and I put together, don't you agree?Here is the headline for you! This should stand as the loudest warning about creating millions of dollars of debt for the taxpayer.
Greenspan: Economic 'Uncertainty' Greatest I Have KnownDetroit and numerous other and communities have filed bankruptcy because of debt they could not pay. Are we to follow suit? Yes this is Apples and Oranges. But we are know as a poor county not a rich one.
So keep in mind there are other alternatives besides going Millions of Dollars in Debt, and my suggestions should not be the only one !
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Mike HuckabeeThe Wall Street Journal reported this week that schools in the US were performing below those in Vietnam, Lithuania, Russia, and Hungary; that our 15 year olds haven't seen improvement in over a decade compared to other nations. For those who think I embrace Common Core, I don't embrace or even want to tolerate what it's come to mean in too many locations. Yes, it's been hijacked, and I don't support the hijackers or the destination, but I don't blame the airplane for getting hijacked. I just hope we aren't willing to accept mediocrity as a standard. Let's kill the name Common Core and all the nonsense that's been tacked on to it. But let's insist that if we continue to spend the most money in education we demand that the end result is achievement. Every Governor should take the wheel and steer his or her state to adopting strict and rigorous standards. Keep it simple; name it what you will. Don't let anyone corrupt the goals by adding things not part of the goals. Common Core is dead. But common sense shouldn't be.
Ross you missed again...try Cecil County Maryland. Try as you might, the differences from here to there are not that great when it comes to education, and certainly nothing to cry about. Your kids have the same number of legs, eat similar foods, watch the same TV shows, go to the same denomination churches, get excited about the same sports and like the same music. They catch colds and break their arms, and pick on each other and complain about the teachers they don't like. They learn to read English and do the same math and science, learn how Gov't works...and doesn't... and some learn other languages. After an entire career in education, in one way or another, I do know quite a bit about what goes on, as well as what should and shouldn't happen, what is useful and what is destructive to the process. You aren't interested in learning anything new, so go ahead, stay stuck in the past. Block everything that comes along and continue to call the folks liars. That will really help move things along, no matter what it is. Attitudes do count!
Since you are retired now, why not go volunteer in a school and see for yourself what a typical day looks like?
We do have higher numbers of people and more traffic . That alone means means nothing! We also vote down school referendums too. Our last one took three tries and several years to pass before they finally got to make some much needed repairs.
Your kids there do go on to college if they want to, just as ours do, win prizes and scholarships and can do more than just ask if someones wants fries with that, if they choose to do so.
As far as Elk County being poor, it has been since my father lived there...nothing new. If that was so important, ya should have retired to 60 acres in some county with lower taxes!
I feel bad for those out there who have to live with your constant discontent and griping. CCTP Or perhaps you just gripe from the safety of the forum?
It would sure be nice if you'd find something in the education system there to be proud of. What a bummer.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
Ross you missed again...try Cecil County Maryland. Try as you might, the differences from here to there are not that great when it comes to education, and certainly nothing to cry about. Your kids have the same number of legs, eat similar foods, watch the same TV shows, go to the same denomination churches, get excited about the same sports and like the same music. They catch colds and break their arms, and pick on each other and complain about the teachers they don't like. They learn to read English and do the same math and science, learn how Gov't works...and doesn't... and some learn other languages. After an entire career in education, in one way or another, I do know quite a bit about what goes on, as well as what should and shouldn't happen, what is useful and what is destructive to the process. You aren't interested in learning anything new, so go ahead, stay stuck in the past. Block everything that comes along and continue to call the folks liars. That will really help move things along, no matter what it is. Attitudes do count!
Since you are retired now, why not go volunteer in a school and see for yourself what a typical day looks like?
I deeply apologize for what I am about to say.
You are so completely arrogantly ignorant with all your organizational brain washing. No one on this earth could have been brain washed better than you. There you have been told the honest to goodness truth! Who deprived you of the ability to comprehend anything?
If you were able to comprehend you would be so busy understanding your own local problems you would have no time to entertain us with your foolishness. The only difference I have pointed out about kids is ours live here and yours live in La, La land with you. Thank God!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
We do have higher numbers of people and more traffic . That alone means means nothing! We also vote down school referendums too. Our last one took three tries and several years to pass before they finally got to make some much needed repairs.
Your kids there do go on to college if they want to, just as ours do, win prizes and scholarships and can do more than just ask if someones wants fries with that, if they choose to do so.
I find the continuance of brainwashed organizational babble with a lack of understanding terribly, terribly insulting, how can you continue to compare Apples and Oranges? Where did you Say you Got your degree from? I want to make sure no one I knows goes there. I suppose you thank Obama nightly for being our countries savior.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
As far as Elk County being poor, it has been since my father lived there...nothing new. If that was so important, ya should have retired to 60 acres in some county with lower taxes!
Who the hell are you to tell me what I should or should not do.
You really are that arrogantly ignorant.
Perhaps you should retire to the Ukrain?
Rather Stupid isn't it?
Did your friends at Elk Konnected put you up to being this stupid?
Do you really have a college degree?
As far as was what happened 100 years ago is not important as far as going 5 or 6 Million dollars in debt today, now is it?
But since you brought it up there was a time, not to many decades ago Elk County was a thriving area, but again that has nothing to do with today. Can you comprehend that?
I have tried to explaine to you with numbers called statistics the
Geo-political difference between Elk County and Delaware!
I have tried to explaine to you with numbers called statistics the
Geo-financial difference between Elk County and Delaware!
I have tried to explaine to you with numbers called statistics the
Geo- location difference between Elk County and Delaware!
And it has all been to no avail, I feel sorry for you and your lack of comprehension
of the facts. My prayers are for you. :angel: :angel: :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
I feel bad for those out there who have to live with your constant discontent and griping. CCTP Or perhaps you just gripe from the safety of the forum?
I don't believe any one has asked for your Delaware pity, so sit on it!
Arrogant ignorance coupled with a degree must be some kind of a blessing.
Thank you Diane, for the entertainment, tell your Konnected friends it is getting real old the way they use kids to attempt to get what they want and using you in the same fashion is not so graceful either. LOL
So now, that is what political discussions are these days, discontent and gripping, I understand very well Mr. Obama. ;D :D :) :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 10:41:57 AM
It would sure be nice if you'd find something in the education system there to be proud of. What a bummer.
What the heck do you think is the most important thing for children?
Be careful now this is multiple choice and there is a test afterwards.
Take you time, this is not a timed test.
1. A school with better teaching standards ?
2. A new gymnasium and a multi-million dollar debt ?
Here are some hints:
Our country is falling behind most other developed countries on educational standards and even the Federal Government and our State Government has stated that our educational standards have fallen drastically over the years.
Another pop quiz for you:
Multiple choice like the first one.
Who is responsible for the School Districts EducationalStandards?
1. The Elected Officials on the School Board.
2. The Students.
Please take your time; I understand pop tests can be extremely difficult for some people.
Keep up the attitude Diane and the good work in your community.
I have really enjoyed conversing with you; you make e feel highly intelligent.
Thank You so very much. Rest peaceful, I have faith that the majority of Elk County will do the right thing when they get to the ballot box and that it will only be Howard approving anything by themselves, which will still be a loss for Howard.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
You don't converse.You attack and frankly, it makes you look ridiculous. How is attacking me ,where I live, who I am and what I do helping your sinking ship? I'd think you'd want help where ever it is available since you don't think you own folks have the brains to solve all the problems by doing as you tell them.Too bad. Shaking my head as I hit ignore.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 10, 2013, 09:11:35 PM
You don't converse.You attack. and frankly it makes you look ridiculous. How is attacking me ,where I live, who I am and what I do helping your sinking ship? I'd think you'd want help where ever it is available since you don't think you own folks have the brains to solve all the problem by doing as you tell them.Too bad. Shaking my head as I hit ignore.
Bye-bye Diane until the next time them Konnected folks sick you on me.
Last nights School Board meeting, on 12.09.13 what a hoot!
The parts of it I could hear, that is! These people either don't understand the purpose behind a "PUBLIC" School Board Meeting or don't care!
So to enlighten them little the purpose of a "PUBLIC" School Board Meeting is so the public can be aware of what their governing body is doing. They should speak loudly enough for all to hear. They should refrain from talking over the top of each other out of courtesy as well as allowing for clear communication. Or simply put, be professional in their meetings.
Now some of what I heard:
Hiring Harrods to put a crown on the football field for $5,000 dollars, so they would have a more professional football field. I asked myself really? Do they have a professional football club? Do they have a professional football team?
Why can't we have a more professional School Board Meeting? A more professional School Board Meeting would not cost $5,000 it would only cost some common courtesy and better behavior.
Then I heard how they wanted special folding padded chairs for score keepers or something, with a special logo and possibly a logo to place on the gym floor. So they would have a more professional looking gym. Again, I asked myself really? Do they have a professional basketball or volleyball club? Do they have a professional basketball or volleyball team? Not putting the job out for bids means less chance of getting a good price, too.
And I asked myself again: Why can't we have a more professional School Board Meeting? A more professional School Board Meeting would not cost $5,000 it would only cost some common courtesy and better behavior.
Then I heard the Superintendent start discussing the ACA or more commonly known as ObamaCare. They plan to hire a law firm to help the figure out how to deal with the situation. I think that may be a good idea. But, they discussed cutting the workers hours back to 35 hours a week as a solution and it was suggested to give those workers a pay raise of $3 an hour. And I wondered will those workers be able to afford health insurance on a $3 an hour pay raise ~~~ that's $105 a week before taxes, but then they have to meet those high medical deductibles. But oh well. The most important thing I heard during this conversation was from the School Superintendent, if I heard him right and I believe I did. He said they were having enough trouble staying on budget. And I am thinking, really?
Professional looking Football Field, ka-ching ~~~ $5,000 and professional looking gymnasium ~~~ ka-ching ~~~ who knows how much. And there was more but I could not hear it.
But there, I sit still wondering why we can't have a professional type of a School Board Meeting. Then the Computer Technician takes to the floor and says he is going to set up microphones and record the Meeting with the public about the proposed construction and post it on the schools web site. Right there you have it folks, just what I have suggested right here on this forum. They have the capability, the tools and the technology to do the School Board Meetings and they could even live stream the meetings.
And they had the gall to say us old folks didn't understand how important technology is. But to them I guess it is only important if they are trying to sell the public something.
There was talk of having a bus engine replaced and once again not putting the job out for bids. And the information they received was so scatter brained I don't understand how they could vote on getting the work done. Especially when they asked if they would get a core charge back from one of the companies and the answer was I think so. What the heck is that all about? I would think they would need better information than that to make a decision worth over ten thousand dollars. Don't you? And once again not put out for bids.
Where is the professionalism in this school board?
Pleas remember I don't ask you to believe anything I say, it is all just my opinion. I hope you will discuss the school district and what they are doing with your friends.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Here is a suggestion for the school board, get off the kick of building a Taj Mahal for Howard and concentrate on education.
Just out, I recieved this by e-mail, poverty stricken children can be taught, so drop tht old stroy sayig otherwise.
Want to end poverty? Educate the kids
By Mary C. Tillotson
December 9, 2013
Part 36 of 37 in the series Educating America
Poor kids can learn. That's what some school and education activists are shouting from on high after the results of an international test showed American students performing at mediocre levels.
D.C. Prep serves low-income students whose test scores often surpass those of students in the wealthiest part of Washington, D.C.
While some blamed the stagnant scores on poverty, others point out that impoverished Vietnam outscored many wealthier countries, including the United States, in math and science. And others say the secret to success really isn't a secret at all. It's just takes hard work — lots of hard work.
More than 1,200 students, from age 3 to 8th grade, attend D.C. Prep, a public charter school network in the District of Columbia. About 82 percent of students qualify for free or reduced-price lunch, a marker of poverty. Many of them are homeless.
"When the kids come to us, they are often below grade level, but it's because they have been underschooled. It's not in the locus of that child, it's because they've had a really crummy school and haven't been well-educated," said Ibby Jeppson, director of resource development at D.C. Prep.
Students who attended from age 4 to fourth graders are testing equal to or better than kids in the most affluent parts of the nation's capital.
"We have close
d the so-called achievement gap, which says to me, 'Of course you can educate low-income kids. You just need to get them a great school. You have to believe in them and focus on what they need,'" she said
Almost all the students – 95 percent – go on to graduate from high school, and 80 percent enroll in college. Of those that enroll, 72 percent persist in college. That's compared to a 56 percent graduation rate from D.C. Public Schools.
Nothing in the school system is novel or radical, Jeppson said.
"Many of the things we do are things you'd see in any high performing urban environment. Kids wear uniform. We have a longer school day. We have very high expectations. We do a tremendous amount of assessing kids, continuous assessment to make sure they're understanding and mastering the material, and we have A-plus-plus-plus-plus teachers. They're amazing," she said. "There's not a secret."
The school also teaches character-building skills, from "use your words" and "be a friend" for the youngest students to conflict resolution and self-advocacy for older students.
The school keeps an open-door policy for alumni, providing support for the transition into high school, applying to college and for financial aid, and finding support in college.
Poverty is not a good excuse for a bad educational system, but rather a reason to make an even greater effort to help every student succeed, said Kevin Chavous, executive counsel with the America Federation for Children and former board chairman of the Black Alliance for Educational Options.
"In nearly every case, if you get one kid in poverty educated, that starts to break the cycle," he said.
At a reception for a scholarship program in Louisiana, Chavous met several mothers of scholarship recipients; many of those mothers had dropped out of school. Some couldn't read.
"One by one, these mothers stood up and started talking about how seeing their kids be excited about school has changed their view of school and excited possibilities for them. Four or five of them said they signed up to get their GED," he said. "Once you break that cycle and you can see how education can be transformative, it can be positively infectious."
While a student's social status might influence achievement, it's not the only factor, said Michael Petrilli, executive vice president at the Thomas B. Fordham Institute.
"(Poverty) can explain something about why our students don't do so well. It doesn't explain why we do worse in math than we do in reading. It doesn't explain why our affluent kids do poorly compared to affluent kids in other countries, or why we produce so few high achievers," Petrilli said, referring to the results of the Programme for International Student Assessment, known as PISA, administered by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
"If the argument is that schools are doing as well as they could be considering where their kids are coming from, I don't think that adds up," he said.
Finding solutions
Dozens of schools follow a model similar to D.C. Prep's, and schools with large low-income demographics should imitate those models, Chavous said. That could mean longer school days, summer academies, weekend programs, staff nurses, social workers and meal programs.
"The big challenge we have is that the work rules of the school bureaucracies have led us to say, 'We can't do it,' as opposed to breaking down the politics and doing the things we know work," he said.
"One teacher said to me, 'I can't account for what happens to this kid when they're not in my classroom, but I've got them six, seven hours a day, and I'm going to make sure they get from Point A to Point B,'" he said. "That's got to be the approach."
"No excuses" urban charter schools like D.C. Prep are providing some of the best education for students living in high poverty areas, Petrilli said.
"They tend to have super high expectations for kids. They just talk about college all the time, they have a really strong curriculum, they hire great teachers, they have a longer day and school year," he said. "It's nothing radical, it's just better and they do more of it."
But all that takes a lot of effort and commitment. It's hard on teachers and often causes burnout, Petrilli said. Because of that, those models may be difficult to scale up.
Increased technical and vocational training for students who won't go to a four-year or even two-year universities and colleges would give students skills and credentials that will help them land a job where they can make a decent living and move into the middle class, he said.
But whatever form it takes, Chavous said, a good education is the ticket out of poverty.
"In the meantime, yes, we need to make sure we have right nutrition programs, social service programs in place, and all those things," he said, "but if we get our people educated, that's the biggest long-term solution."
http://watchdog.org/119077/education-poverty
The series starts here: http://watchdog.org/106956/arizona-empowerment-scholarships/
Improved Educational Standards the pathway to Better Jobs, Stronger Families, Better Comm and Better Quality of Life !
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Sorry Ross, trying to insulting me will not ever solve your problems.
(F)
I don't have to try to insult you. You do it all on your own. (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
I not only do comprehent what I read,
(F)
When do you comprehend what you read? Please see the quote below asking about the school shootings and my response. There is the proof you do not comprehend what you read.
I'm not even sure you comprehend what you type. For instance the way you spelled comprehend in the above statement, and all the times you have applied yourself as the self appointed spelling police on this forum. Oh well, be that as it may, it's your own doing. (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
I comprehend what's in beteen the lines and know what you are trying to do with your between the lines assumptions, distractions and misleading attempts to slide the reader off subject and take control.
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I have never tried to take control nor do I write between the lines. You are gravely mistaken. And a very poor wordsmith. (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
We have a female "you" here too. She is you all over. She is very rude and manipulative and has no respect for those in charge or those who won their positions.. The chairs have to be very careful of her, because she tries to take over meetings and direct them to where ever she wants to go. She has to constantly be reminded that her whims are not on the agenda and it's not the public's turn to speak.
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If telling people to ignore what I say and to think for them selves is disrespectful and controlling and rude, I plead guilty. But I must say your concept of things seem to be terribly screwed up for an educated person! And the use of such
Banal language is what I would expect from a proud redneck hick like myself. (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Your practice of bringing up things that are years old, as if they just happened, with different people even, is very disappointing and seems to be a failing attempt to keep things stirred up.
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Who told me that Howard has been known as How-weird for years? Who was that? Oh it was you wasn't it? How embarrassing for you?
I have only brought up recent things from the last 7 or 8 years that are highly relevant. You brought up How-weird, how old would you say that is. How-weird of a question is that for you? (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Get over it.You are still assuming you know what's on the school board's mind, with no proof....and you won't accept what people present as facts. I truly don't know what you are trying to do. People have heard your position over and over and over.It appears many do not agree, end of issue. Some have tried to explain to you but, you rudely snub them.... your own residents!
(F)
It appears nothing "Darlin", yer cornfused is all ! I don't snub nobody. To snub is to ignore, or spurn disdainfully. I even repond to you Becase I like you. Next time you are in Elk County let me know and I'll treat you to a piece of pie and a cup of coffee at the Swing Bridge Café, okay. OK
Oh, those residents you speak of, would that be the Elk konnected residents?
Sure, I have read their ideas about sports and that perhaps they don't believe that an effeciency expert could make the school more productive and space saving. (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
Don't bother answering, I'm going back to ignore and won't see it any more than others will who have already been worn out and put you on ignore some time ago. I only read someod you because i wanted to know what Wilma had been talking about. Sadly, I wasn't surprised.
(F)
Spelling my dear, spelling and capitalization, like you tell every one else. (F)
Why are you asking me to snub you? Don't you think that would be rude of me?
I always respond to you as a figment of my imagination! (C)
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 03:41:18 PM
I waited a bit to respond to this, but to answer Ross's question about where school shootings happen....in 2006, the Nickle Mines Amish one room school shooting happened in very rural PA. Six kids were killed and 5 more were severly injured. Don't try to tell me that they don't count.
(F)
The question was:
Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?
Please provide an internet link.
Thank you.
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Bart Township, PA via PA-896 N and PA-741 W is 18.0 mi, 31 mins to Lancaster, PA. Well with in the 60 to 80 mile range. Please refer to the quote above.(C)
I graded this posts with a (C) for me because I attempted to do well. And because I am a retired proud unedumacted redneck hick, who means well.
I graded you with an (F) because you are suppose to be highly educated with one of them thar degree papers or two. And because of the lack of wordsmithing on your part.
This is a lot of fun, 10-4 good buddy, come back! If you wish to respond Diane, please respond on this thread. Thank You! If you choose not to respond on this thread I will drag your response over here anyway. How's that for manipulating? I am doing this because you say you are not interested, let's see. LOL
Also to cut down on the possibility of me getting more cornfused, okay, OK!
Ain't this just too much fun and entertaining, Diane?
Every one please remember there are always alternatives to wasting Millions of Taxpayer Dollars and making taxes so unbearable that no one would want to move here. Especially since no one is moving here anyway. And what better reason for kids to live somewhere other than here with family, than really high property taxes.
One suggested alternative, I hope someone has a better suggestion!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
You do not get to choose what is "rural". You are not a demographer and neither am I. Look up rural school shootings and see what you find. See how the trends are changing from big city to suburbs and rural. In the mean time you really are a squirrel. A very guilty squirrel. It's your own Elk County kids who came up with How-weird. Stick your nose up all you want. WE are not amused.
As far as my spelling, it's not spelling I can't do, it's typing ,as I've always said. Sure, I miss words sometimes when I don't spell check, but its the fingers, not the brain that goofs me up and not as many as 7-1O ten per post and have poor grammar too like one I know... Ahem!. How come you mention mine but never your own? I'd be really busy if I took the time to lay out ALL of your spelling errors. I skip most of them and since I have you on ignore most of the time now, I don't even see them. You are a real seasonal fruit cake for sure. No more from me. You are a total waste of time. Back to ignore....do your worst. No wonder people complain how annoying you can be. Say about me what makes you feel better, I won't ever see it.... and stop picking on the the others too, they don't deserve it just for having different ideas.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:06:02 PM
Gibberish? Tell that to the families of those rural school kids who diesd? You sir are beyond hope. I will never converse with you again, period
It is
Gibberish because it did not answer the question properly!
You would give an
"F " to a grade school student for such an answer, teacher.
Read the question until you comprehend it!
You definitely rate an
"F" on comprehension teacher.
Aren't you embarrassed?
Hint: Try to comprehend the vicinity of the shootings as related to Metropolitan areas?
Here is the question again quoted with its original typographical error:
Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?
Please provide an internet link.
Thank you.
See the post at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg215724.html#msg215724 and this post also.
And don't forget:
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
You do not get to choose what is "rural". You are not a demographer and neither am I.
You don't get to give orders either, Sergeant. Better luck next time!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
Look up rural school shootings and see what you find. See how the trends are changing from big city to suburbs and rural.
Someone else brought up the topic about small town school shootings. My question was, quoting once again:
Quote from: ROSS on December 03, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
I must ask what small rural community with a distance of 60 t0 80 mile from the nearest large city has had a shooting?
Please provide an internet link.
Thank you.
If you take note all those rural small town school shootings are in the proximity of large metropolitan areas.
You apparently can not find one 60 to 80 miles away from a large metropolitan area, so you get pissed and try to give orders as shown in the first of this post. My sympathy for you exceeds your anger.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
In the mean time you really are a squirrel. A very guilty squirrel. It's your own Elk County kids who came up with How-weird. Stick your nose up all you want.
I can't be no squirrel, I don't like nuts. Get it straight. I'se a proud, unedumacted, redneck, hick. Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?
What am I guilty of? And are you the Judge and jury? If so, just break oth the rope for a hangin', I'm ready to meet my maker! Goodby cruel world! Hey that's a song from a long time ago. LOL
But I never heard of How-weird from no kids, unless you consider yourself a kid, from here? Is that it you consider yourself a kid fro here? LOL
I don't stick my nose up, I ain't no elite type. So you be wrong again! Sorry about that girl.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
WE are not amused.
Who is we?
Ya'all got multiple personalities going on there with all that anger?
Let it out girl, let it out and get happy?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
As far as my spelling, it's not spelling I can't do, it's typing ,as I've always said. Sure, I miss words sometimes when I don't spell check, but its the fingers, not the brain that goofs me up and not as many as 7-1O ten per post and have poor grammar too life one I know... Ahem!. How come you mention mine but never your own?
My errors speak for themselves, don't you see?
But you are highly educated and I ain't. And I don't tell everyone else about their errors like you do. Didn't they have typing class when you was schoolin?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
I'd be really busy if I took the time to lay out ALL of your spelling errors. I skip most of them and since I have you on ignore most of the time now, I don't even see them.
On , for sure, you'd be busier than a cat on a hot tin roof kerrectin my errors. I'se not edumacted liken you'ns. LOL
How's come if you got me on ignore, you are paying me so much attention ?
Boy, I hope you keep me on ignore causin I couldn't handle any more attention than I'm getting from you now. I'd have to ask for help from someone. So thank goodness for ignore.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
You are a real seasonal fruit cake for sure. No more from me. You are a total waste of time.
No, I ain't seasonal nothing, I am constant!
I just don't believe you mean that! A total waste of time? Really?
I didn't think you highly edumacted types with docoumented diplomas wasted yer time! Didn't they teach you better at dat college place? Or are you lying to me?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on December 12, 2013, 08:27:05 PM
Back to ignore....do your worst. No wonder people complain how annoying you can be. Say about me what makes you feel better, I won't ever see it.... and stop picking on the the others too, they don't deserve it just for having different ideas.
Now you know you never left ignore.
Who is complainin but you?
I ain't pickin on nobody, I got no diploma.
Now don't you stop playing with me, peoples likes it.
ROFLMAO.
A small reminder Diane there is always more than one solution to any situation, even this situation you have developed with me. One solution is simply to accept that you have no legitimate answers, and to let go of the anger and laugh. Nighty night, Diane. I hope i aswered all your questions, I did my best. LOL
Here is another suggestion:
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the
Moline Grade School and
save millions and problems solved.[/center]
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
If the School Board really feels they need a gymnasium and class rooms for the grade school children this idea really would save millions of dollars.
But if the School Board attempts to address this idea, I would expect them to say, "We Don't Own" the Moline Grade School. My response would be to ask Moline to sell it back to them in a real nice letter and ask for a written response. And if Moline were to respond with a "No", they would have written proof, right?
The other response might be that the State probably wouldn't allow them to re-open the Moline Grade School. The only way to know for sure is to write the state and ask for an inspection, and then they would have a written report to prove the state would not permit them to do so.
All very simple!
We will just have to wait and see if they have any real respect for the taxpayers and the taxpayers money won't we?Will they really replace all those working air conditioners, just because?
What would the interest be on 5 or 6 million dollars?
Could someone else come up with a better idea for saving Millions of Dollars, please ?
Because the School Board wont quit until a better idea comes up that surpasses spending Millions of Dollars.
Yes, this is all plagarized, and is only provided to help make sensible decisions and discussions. I believe any School Board, not any particular School Board could use this information constructfully. We do have more than one School District in Elk County.
About School Shootings
It happened after Columbine, after Virginia Tech, and after Newtown, too. After every massacre in a school, Americans grasp at quick cures. Let's install metal detectors and give guns to teachers. Let's crack down on troublemakers, weeding out kids who fit the profile of a gunman. Let's buy bulletproof whiteboards for the students to scurry behind, or train kids to throw erasers or cans of soup at an attacker.
Researchers who study school shootings say the nation has done the wrong things, again and again, to prevent these rare but frightening events.
"Many of the school safety and security measures deployed in response to school shootings have little research support," concluded a 2010 research article in Educational Researcher, "What Can Be Done About School Shootings?: A Review of the Evidence." The researchers called the widely adopted policies of zero-tolerance discipline and student profiling "unsound practices."
The problem, the researchers say, is that the nation hasn't paid attention to actual research about how school shootings unfold.
School shooters don't "snap" or "go crazy." They have serious grievances, and they plan their attacks. Many felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others. They engaged in behaviors that caused other students and adults to think they needed help. They showed difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures.
They told others about their plan.
Paying attention to the evidence:
A landmark study in 2002 by the U.S. Secret Service and the U.S. Department of Education, examining the facts of 37 school shootings, identified patterns contradicting the public perception of a loner who "just snapped":
• Incidents of targeted violence at school are rarely sudden, impulsive acts.
• Many attackers felt bullied, persecuted, or injured by others prior to the attack.
• Most attackers engaged in some behavior, prior to the incident, that caused concern or indicated a need for help.
• Most attackers were known to have difficulty coping with significant losses or personal failures. Many had considered or attempted suicide.
• Most attackers did not threaten their targets directly prior to advancing the attack.
• There is no accurate or useful "profile" of students who engage in targeted school violence.
Some come from good homes, some from bad. Some have good grades, some bad.
• Most attackers had access to and had used weapons prior to the attack.
• Prior to most incidents, other people knew about the attacker's idea or plan, and often
other students were involved.
What steps should schools take?
The researchers urged that schools take the following steps:
• Assess the school's emotional climate.
• Emphasize the importance of listening in schools.
• Adopt a strong, but caring stance against the code of silence.
• Prevent, and intervene in, cases of bullying.
(Our School Board commissioned a study where the students were interviewed by the facilitator and he reported that one student reported that when bullying occured and was reported to a teacher nothing was done. What has transpired since that report to address bullying?)
• Involve all members of the school community in planning, creating and sustaining a school culture of safety and respect.
• Develop trusting relationships between each student and at least one adult at school.
• Create of mechanisms for developing and sustaining safe school climates.
The researchers acknowledge that these steps are not a cure-all and will not prevent every incident. The Newtown shooter, for example, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, wasn't like the rest. He was an adult, rather than a current student at the school he attacked. But these preventive measures fit most of the cases.
I sincerely hope this information is helpful to someone!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
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BREAKING: 'Active shooter' injures two at Colo. school; gunman on the looseBy The Washington Times
Friday, December 13, 2013
An "active shooter" has injured at least two students at Arapahoe High School in Centennial, Colo.
Police are responding to an "active shooter situation" at the school and nobody is in custody, Colorado's 9News reported.
The shooting comes one day before the first anniversary of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. Madman Adam Lanza killed 20 students and six teachers during the rampage before taking his own life.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/13/active-shooter-injures-two-colo-school-gunman-loos/
This tragedy is happening right now just outside of Denver just 15 miles from Columbine.
Isn't it time to get the teachers out of the lounge!
And get them some training to recognize bullying and stress that might be happening on school property? Also, a more alert administrative staff. It might help. Also a School Board more interested in this subject, might help? Just saying!
School shooter dead from possible self-inflicted gunshot wound ...
CNN-12 minutes ago (that would have been 2 pm)
http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/13/us/colorado-school-shooting/
The high school, with a student population of 2,229 students, has 70 classrooms. The school, which was built in 1964, is part of the Littleton Public Schools system.
The school is about 10 miles from Littleton, where Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and one teacher in a rampage at Columbine High School in April 1999.
Over The Top And Gone
(My over the top and gone remarks are in parentheses)
Wichita schools poised to drop big bucks on lunchroom facelift
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
December 13, 2013
OSAWATOMIE, Kan. — Just how posh does a school cafeteria need to be?
(How posh does a school have to be?)Is the classic, utilitarian style of long, unassuming tables and a wide open space enough? Or does it need to be something more, perhaps with the feel of a bistro? Those are just some of the pressing questions Wichita USD 259 officials hope to answer after inking a contract authorizing upward of $250,000 to give about 10 district lunch rooms a facelift.
But is all this about form or function? It may depend on who, and when, you ask.
School board members passed the agreement with Wisconsin-based Palmer Hamilton on Nov. 25. The day before, the Wichita Eagle reported comments from district operations director Darren Muci regarding the aesthetic angle of the endeavor.
"For some time, we have been looking at how we can beautify, improve, enhance the look of our school cafeterias," Muci told the Eagle. "Some of them have too much of an institutional look about them and really doesn't provide for what we think is an appropriate eating environment."
(How about some nice frilly curtains on the windows on one side of the cafeteria for the girls? and manly curtains on the other side for the boys? How about a stage for entertainment, i.e. hire a live band for lunch one day, and a magician the next day, something different each day to appease the kids. Give the kids individualized menus and hire waiters. Put in a few expensive lounge chairs, we want the kids to have classy comfort during lunch, right? Don't forget to provide a menu of non-alcoholic cocktails.)[/b]
But Superintendent John Allison downplayed potential appearance improvements after the contract's approval. Muci did the same when contacted by Kansas Watchdog later that week.
Rather, Muci said the focus is on improving efficiency to reduce wait times, giving students more time to socialize instead of being stuck in a serving line. The district also aims to turn the lunch room into a usable space conducive to more than just serving meals.
(Are these kids different than other kids across the country? Don't they socialize wile eating?)
"A cafeteria can be an extension of the study hall area, if we have the right furniture or setup or meeting space," Muci said.
Palmer Hamilton's website touts those schools with redesigned lunch rooms seeing meal service revenue increase anywhere from 24 percent to 74 percent. And according to school officials, only about one in four students at Wichita's East High regularly eat lunch at school. USD 259 permits junior and senior students to eat off-campus during lunch. (http://www.palmerhamilton.com/index.php includes a video)
(West Elk Konnected School Board Members here it is, the ultimate in School Dining. You could have a more modern and professional dining experience for the new Taj Mahal you want to build! And wouldn't that goes nicely with your more professional looking chairs and logos in the gymnasium, and lets not forget the more professional football field? For the not so professional basketball and football and volleyball games. Isn't this a must for a Taj Mahal of a school?
And your lunchroom makes more money according to this. Isn't that amazing. How many kids are on free meals these days? Some sales pitch in my opinion. But no sweat it is only taxpayers dollars.
Forget all that, Okay? It's Not Eough is it?
Go super ultimate and out do the Wichita School District and their big budget from taxpayers! Put in a restaurant with menus and waiters so the kids can socialize waiting for their food to be served to them, No lines to wait in, don't you see? And it would reduce the kids stress and it might improve educational standards. It's only taxpayer dollars, right? And classier and removes the institutional appearance! We wouldn't want to appear to be an institution of education, would we? Let's go for the Gold Standard. But be sure to ask the kids first if they like these ideas, get their input! Why skimp now? It's a Quality of Life thig isn't it?)It seems safe to assume that, whatever the district's final plans are, the measuring stick will ultimately be butts-in-seats come noon hour.
So, with such an emphasis on encouraging students to actually eat at school, it seems only logical the district would ask its target audience what they want. Muci said Allison regularly meets with student advisory groups – tackling tough issues like what kind of pizza they'd like on campus – but said the district has yet to broach the lunch room redesign topic.
Rather, Palmer Hamilton will receive about $35,000 initially to form a plan of action. From there, the district has authorized expenditures not to exceed $250,000 from the nutrition services budget, which can be used only for cafeteria-related expenses.
"We have improved many of our other facilities throughout the course of two bond programs, and this is one area where the nutrition services department wants to take a good look," Muci said.
"This is not an open checkbook concept where we're going to spew out dollar bills, we're going to research this," he said. "We don't envision that we will have anything that will be out of line."
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Let's see what is in today's newspaper shall we?
Look it's the West Elk School Board report, interesting!
The first item is the Facility Planning Report and it says:
"Sean Clapp with Heckman & Associates presented the attached Proposed Master Plan with remodeling and new construction. After much discussion, the board reached by consensus that 3 board members will be available to meet the public on Tuesday, December 17, 2013 from 6:00 pm to 6:30 pm. to answer questions."
That's what they say. But, I what I heard, yes I was there. I heard a very short conversation and I heard the School Superintendent tell them they could have only three board members on the stage at one time, to avoid being a School Board Meeting. Four would have created a necessity of taking minutes and being on the record. The best part of the conversation in my opinion was who would be on the stage. As I observed they were all reluctant, as if afraid of the public. Just my opinion, you won't find the discussion in the minutes which allows for plausible deniability, just like the federal government.
Transportation was next.
"The Moline and Grenola buses are full and both are activity buses. There will be scheduling problems with spring sports and possibly during basketball season. Christie asked the board to hire another bus driver so that that the current Moline and Grenola routes could be split into three routes."
Skipping a couple of short paragraphs:
"By consensus, the Board asked that Christy attend an Elk County Commission meeting to address the increased cost in bus maintenance. Mr. Moore will attend with her."
So the School Board is asking the School Administration to go begging for money from the County because of bad management decisions how trite, of all those edumacted people. Are they unable to live with in any kind of a budget?
The County can only tell them no, because all the other School Districts with in Elk County would then be coming and asking for a hand out. Besides it is not the job of County Government to fund the School Districts. Why don't they understand that?
Those Elk Konnected School Board Members have already tried manipulating the County Government and found they are barking up the wrong tree. The County in my opinion does exactly what is supposed to do as far as Elk Konnected and The School Board is concerned and I commend them for that.
The board has mentioned acquiring aid from the State for construction, why don't they go there for transportation ? My bet is because the state would tell them no as well.
At the first of the first of the School year it was reported to the School Board there were 320 (not sure exact number) students enrolled and there were no bussing problems. Then suddenly a week or two into the year there is another 30 kids enrolled out of nowhere! How in the world I asked myself did that happen. Well speaking with the School Principle last night on a tour of the school building I asked her were they came from all of a sudden. She told me they were from the Grenola area. Now that is another school distrct and requires busing 18.5 mi, 26 mins minimum right? So now about that ten minutes to bus from Howard to Moline, that just doesn't hold water does it?
Since I have had a little time to give this information some thought and read about the busing expense problems, I have a number of questions.
1. How is it that all of a sudden 30 kids from Grenola and the Central Unified School District 462 decide all at once to change to the West Elk School District?
2. Is it possible that West Elk is recruiting from other school districts?
3. And after having a discussion with the School Principal about the idea of re-opening the Moline grade school, I was told the problem would be to have to get the children on school buses by 6 am to bus them to Moline. Now how flimsy is that. It is only ten minutes from Howard to Moline. Which means only ten minutes more? No, I believe the truth is they just don't want to bus Howard kids. Remember they refer to it as Howard West Elk. When actually Howard West Elk is that tall ugly building in the center of Howard and is closed down? Says so on the States School records.
4. Now about those 30 kids from the Central Unified School District 462 that live around granola how's that working out for hurting the Central Unified School District.
5. Now let me ask about those extra busing costs. Why does West Elk need to go begging the County for money when you have in excess of a million dollars in your general fund?
Next comes the Maintenance Report: "Quote"
1. Ray Roofing was called to look at another roof leak.
2. The approved auditorium lights have been installed.
3. 40 of the 50 new gym lights have been installed.
4. The attached quotes from Sunflower farms for an irrigation system for the baseball and softball fields were discussed.
5. The football field would need to be recrowned before a sprinkler system is installed. A survey will be necessary. Mike will get a cost estimate to recrown the football field for the December meeting. Hilton moved to put a new crown the football field. Motion died for lack of a second. Black moved to install the irrigation system at the baseball and softball fields per the attached quote from Sunflower Farms in the amount of 413,250.00 Bellar seconded and the motion passed. (7-0)
6. Mike asked to board to approve the quote from Woods Lumber in the amount of $1893.00 to build two storage sheds on the existing cement slabs near the softball fields. Bellar moved to approve the $1893.00 quote from Woods Lumber to build two storage sheds. Motion denied for lack of a second.
7. The storage shed near the baseball field was broken into and several items stolen.
End Quote
So tell me West Elk isn't concentrating a little to heavily in sports and that might not be the reasons for begging for money from the county for help with busing? And might that not be the main reason for the new grade school building designed as extensions to West Elk? By that I mean they want a second gymnasium with air conditioning?
More sports:
Quote:
Hilton thanked the board for the Booster bus to the Oxford football game. The feedback was very positive. End Quote.
Remember West Elk is going begging to the County for their busing expenses and they can afford bus transportation for the Boosters! Really?
Just my thoughts and opinions. I truly hope you will form your own opinions!
Sounds like a money discipline like our country has.
For a little humor on money discipline check out Ray Stevens youtube video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs
Good Night
Keep up the good work, Ross
One man with courage makes a majority.
Andrew Jackson
Well, I had a conflict of going to the School Board Sales Pitch Tuesday evening. The conflict was either I go to the sales pitch and misses my sons Christmas Concert at the Elk Valley School. Of Course my son comes first.
Unlike the complaining School Board Member at the last School Board Meeting that is a Howard Chamber of Commerce member as well. He complained at the last School Board meeting about West Elk scheduling events that conflict with the Howard Chamber of Commerce events.
The Howard Chamber of Commerce only deals with a hand full of people, where the West Elk School deals with 300 plus students and their mothers, fathers, brothers and sisters and grandparents and aunt and uncles and other relatives. So I say to the Howard Chamber of Commerce keep your business at your meetings and not at the School Board Meetings! You should be able to understand they are two separate meetings. Find your Howard Chamber of Commerce with a problem find a solution instead of dumping on the School Board. Understand protocol and respect it. Leave Howard's business in Howard, West Elk is outside of the Howard City Limits.
I did happen to make to the tour of the School that evening. Wow, what a beautiful school. I do agree with one thing the School Boards contractor had to say at a School Board Meeting! He said, the class rooms are Luxurious and large. He also suggested cutting down the size of the rooms and making a class room from out of two of them. But that is the only thing I could find to agree with him on. He also said to remove two lighting fixtures from each room. I couldn't agree with such a blanket statement because lighting is measured in lumens not the number of fixtures. And we all know lighting is very important for reading and writing, don't we?
I did get a few pictures while I wast here and one of them is of a very large weight room. Oh yes, I understand, sports, a gotta have, right ? A very large room for a very small percentage of students instead of two class rooms is much, much more important, right?,
Sports, seems to be much, much more important than saving taxpayers million and millions of dollars or having class rooms or concentrating on education, doesn't it.
I looked, some class rooms appeared to have had extra desks and extra tables moved into them for appearance of being fully utilized. Now, don't get all bent out of shape, it is only my opinion. But think about it, if you are going out of your way to make a sales pitch, a good salesman would do something of that order to make a sale. Also, one room appeared to have the teacher's desk so far removed from the children, I wonder how she or he communicates with the children. Is it like the School Board Meetings, even if you strain to hear, it's impossible! You can judge for yourself I am posting a few pictures.
I do believe that West Elk could be run much more efficiently!
And I also believe they could hire an Efficiency Expert to help them do so, and it would be money wisely and well spent.
I believe a study they have hired done did not support what they wanted! I believe they were looking for a response supporting enlarging the building. Well, that did not happen!
But it still cost the taxpayers, didn't it?
So what happened to the study? What happened to what the hired man, a Doctor, a Professor told them to do? Nothing, that's what? They asked for Professional help and rejected it, why? One tiny little thing the man suggested, in order to involve the public, was to have an open forum period at the meetings! Very, simple to implement, right? Did they do it, NO! Doesn't that prove, they only want the public involved, when it comes to picking their pocket as taxpayers, for an un-needed Taj Mahal.
They can't afford to run their School Buses, yet provide bus transportation for an elite group called Booster. Oh pardon me again, that's for sports, by all means spend, spend, spend for sports. I beg your pardon! They really need to go to the County Commissioners and cry on the commissioners shoulders, that they are spending to much money on sport and don't have the business savy to control their budget and can't afford to pay for busing. Good Job West Elk!
The School board has already made it clear at a Board meeting that if you say no in April to a School Bond Issue, which is what they expect, they will return in November with a new plan.
Oh, well believe what you will, I have to get busy with other items on my agenda.
Enjoy the pictures. Of course remember I couldn't get the whole room in the picture and I am by no means a professional photographer. I'll ad more pictures on next posts.
REMEMBER YOU THE LOWLY VOTER HAVE THE POWER TO SAY "NO" TO THE
elite !
Again and Again and Again
If necessary. You have the power!
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Here is a camera, there were two.
The were videos they will be splicing the video's together and editing them over the Christmas Holiday.
Are they making a movie or just showing their advertisement.
I will most likely discuss videoing the School Board Meetings later.
(Just in case some one doesn't visit the West Elk web site, I thought I'd post minutes of the newly formed, or at least I think newly formed in February 2013, West Elk Site Council. At least that is the earliest minutes I can find. These are all public documents. I will add some of my thoughts inside the minutes encompassed in parentheses and blue.)
West Elk USD 282 Site Council
Officers:
President-Ian Denton
Vice President-Julie Perkins
Secretary-Gina Wilson
Meeting dates are stated at the end of the minutes and will be added to the District calendar. Meetings are held in the high school library and are open to the public.
WEST ELK SITE COUNCIL
West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Monday, February 4, 2013
Meeting minutes
Members present: Juli Young, Principal, Bert Moore, Superintendent, Mary Mericle, Thad Triboulet, Kate Perkins, Kevin Weber, Chris Haag, Paula McAlister, Ian Denton, Julie Perkins, Teresa Usry, Jackie Gragg, Kay Kelly, Tina Jackson, Gina Wilson.
The meeting was called to order by Juli Young at 6:30 p.m., Monday, February 4, 2013.
First matter on the agenda was election of officers. Mary Mericle moved for the following as a slate of officers: President - Ian Denton, Vice President - Julie Perkins, Secretary - Gina Wilson. Motion passed.
Second item on agenda was Spotlight. Both Chris Haag and Kevin Weber brought items to share with the council.
Chris Haag shared the Backpack Program that will be implemented at West Elk Pre K-12th grades. This is a program designed to battle chronic hunger. Nonperishable food items will be sent home over the weekend for children deemed in need. Right now, there are twenty-one students that will be participating in this program. Numbers can be adjusted as needed throughout the year. Julie Perkins asked about a list of items that could be donated as she has had people in the community that would like to help donate food items.
Tina Jackson volunteered to help with preparing the backpacks for students. Bert Moore expressed a desire to look into extending this throughout the summer with help from the community.
(We apparently have a problem with chronic hunger in the county and the school board wants to tax it taxpayers even more to build an unnecessary school building reconfigured as extensions. Does that make a lot of sense?)
The council made their way to the woods shop for a presentation by Kevin Weber. He provided the council with a tour of the shop and his classroom. He informed the council about the junior high and high school classes which include basic to advanced woods courses as well as three levels of drafting classes. On average his classes have an enrollment of ten students.
Some council members showed concern over the age of some of the equipment used in the shop and the safety issues involved with using the older equipment. A few machines date back to possibly the 1950's. Kevin highlighted a new computerized wood carving machine that the students have been using. When programmed the machine can carve a variety of designs ranging from letters to detailed pictures. Ian Denton asked if Mr. Weber had a budget to work with for purchasing and updating equipment. Kevin stated that his courses are funded partially with Federal money.
(Here it is again, spend, spend! Shouldn't their concern be about maintenance? Even new machinery can be dangerous if not maintained properly! Is there some form of documented check list or maintenance on the equipment? If there is no documentation of maintenance and a child gets hurt whether it is old or new machinery could leave a lot of possibilities for legal problems. Besides I have witnessed very large motors and their controls that were built in 1909 that are still operating efficiently today because of proper maintenance.)
The site council returned to the library to continue the meeting.
Next item on agenda regarded school safety. Juli Young provided the council with information regarding school safety. She has been researching information on how to update West Elk's Crisis Plan. There is major concern regarding the safety of our students should a crisis occur. The West Elk campus could be vulnerable to any type of threat. The way the building is constructed with several entry ways, large windows, and disconnected modular buildings makes it difficult to oversee and communicate any threat.
Juli has looked into the possibility of hiring a School Resource Officer. She feels the yearly salary would be approximately $32,000 including benefits. Ian Denton asked if the county could share with that expense. Juli stated if that were the case, then our district would have to share the officer with the county's other school district as well as with the county itself. This would not guarantee that an officer would be on campus should a threat arise. She has looked into a program in which the campus would hire its own officer therefore ensuring an officer would always be present during school days as well as school activities. She is in the process right now of detailing the cost and job description to present to the school board. Tina Jackson expressed strong support of this idea. Thad Triboulet asked about a time line to hire an SRO if the school board were to approve the position. It was stated by Juli that if the board were to approve it, the school would begin looking to fill it immediately.
(We have had a discussion on this forum about the school shootings in the news and they all happen with in highly populated areas or suburbs of major cities. Try finding a school shooting 60 to 80 miles outside of a city? Is it possible to happen, sure anything is possible, is it probable sure it is! Is it possible or probable that one of the military helicopters that fly through our area might fall or crash onto West Elk, sure anything is possible. I know no on want to here that, but perhaps we need a bubble built over West Elk just in case. We heard about movie theater shootings near Denver, what's to prevent a shooting any of the stores in Howard, it could happen, right? Let's go over board, shall we because of what goes on in the city?)
Thad Triboulet and Tina Jackson expressed concern regarding Crisis Management plan. They would like to see a plan developed on paper along with monthly crisis drills practiced by students and staff. Juli stated that she would bring West Elk's Crisis Management Plan to the March meeting.
Juli shared other ideas regarding school safety such as electronic door locks for all entry doors, panic buttons that are a direct link to the sheriff's office, and classroom door locks.
Ian Denton stated that the school district needs to
effectively communicate with the community. Bert Moore agreed, sharing that the West Elk web site is currently under construction and will feature links that will possibly contain communication from the board as well as from the superintendent. Bert suggested that the site council could also be that link to get reliable information out to the community.
Next meeting will be held in March and Ian Denton will contact members via e-mail with regards to the date and time. Some items to be discussed at March's meeting include a clear vision and plan for the site council, continuation of the discussion of school safety, and a report of the school board meeting.
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West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Monday, March 7, 2013
Meeting Minutes
Members present: Tina Jackson, Kevin Weber, Chris Haag, Juli Young, Mary Mericle, Paula McAlister, Kate Perkins, Ian Denton, Julie Perkins, Stephanie Goff, Thad Triboulet
The meeting of the West Elk Site Council was called to order by President Ian Denton at 6:30 p.m. Ian began the meeting with a discussion about the purpose and vision of the site council. Juli Young presented a handout with information regarding what the purpose of a site council is, and the role a site council has in the educational community. Ian and the council felt this handout was quite helpful in clarifying the site council's purpose and role.
Ian Denton asked Juli Young if she could provide information regarding the February school board meeting. Juli stated that there were three architectural firms present that provided information on how they could help the board with any future endeavors that the board might pursue. These future plans might include items such as roof repair, air conditioning units replaced, ways to become more efficient, etc.
(Is it more efficient to replace perfectly good Air Conditioning units, just because? When it would probably take many years to regain the cost of new units? Which would not take in to account the interest on the loan to purchase them? Where is the efficiency in that? Wouldn't it make more sense to replace the units as they go bad and pay for them with money in hand, wouldn't you then realize efficiency in cost. Efficiency does not mean to throw money away does it? Building a new grade school has been in the works for over three years in my opinion! I'd only like to know who first came up with the plot, er idea?)Juli Young also reported that she presented several school safety options that she had previously discussed with the site council. These items included hiring a School Resource Officer, automatic locks on doors, and panic buttons. The board put the SRO to a vote, which failed 3-4. She stated that no action was taken on either the automatic locks or the panic buttons.
(Good that panic button was squashed.)Many members of the Site Council voiced their concern as to why the school board is reluctant to pursue school safety issues. The consensus of the site council was that our school campus is vulnerable to issues regarding the safety of West Elk students, whether it be a threat from an outside source, or an issue with custody disagreements among non-custodial parents. Thad Triboulet voiced a concern about the school's liability if students were subjected to a dangerous situation on the school campus.
(I'd like to know why the council is not equally concerned with academics, education that is? Why not focus on improving the educational standards at West Elk? What are the priorities concerning educational standards at West Elk? Why is it no one address this issue?)The Site Council would like to get opinions from the community pertaining to school safety. The council would also like to see an on-going conversation with the school board regarding the safety of our campus.
Paula McAlister requested copies of the Site Council minutes to provide to the school board. Gina Wilson will send these to Paula.
The Site Council members were offered Crisis Management notebooks and a universal procedure handout to prepare thought for future school safety conversations.
Chris Haag reported that the food backpack program is going very well. Mary Mericle also provided positive feedback regarding the backpack program.
The next meeting will be March 28th, at 6:30 p.m.
Meeting concluded at 7:45 p.m.
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West Elk Site Council
West Elk Jr./Sr. Library
Thursday, March 28, 2013
Meeting Minutes
Members present: Paula McAlister, Chris Haag, Kevin Weber, Juli Young, Julie Perkins, Kate Perkins, Thad Triboulet, Kay Kelly, Ian Denton, Dana Mills, Gina Wilson
The meeting was called to order at 6:30 p.m. February 28th
Ian asked Juli Young for a report on the February Board meeting. Juli reported that she feels as if the school board is concerned with school safety. The board wants to ensure that whatever decisions are made regarding school safety will mesh with future plans for the West Elk campus.
Juli shared with the council that the school board has invited Heckman and Associates back in April to discuss ideas for the school campus. Safety, efficiency, space, and the roof of the main building are among these ideas.
Juli also reported that the board has set three main goals; facilities, kids first (curriculum), and teacher retention. School safety would be addressed in the facilities part of the goals.
(By listing facilities first, doesn't that go much deeper? I mean a practice gymnasium has priority, right? Isn't that the main reason for entering into a proposed contract with the church next door. Sports is #1 right?)Ian asked how the site council could help support the idea of promoting school safety. Juli's response was that Bert would like the site council to give a year-end report in May. This wouldbe a good opportunity for the council to address their concerns regarding school safety.
Ian Denton will be the site council's representative, and will provide the May report for the school board. The site council discussed items that should be presented to the school board at the May meeting. These items included how the site council was formed and what our main focus has been this school year. The council feels that school safety is our primary concern at this time. We, as a group, feel that our school campus is vulnerable due to the number of entries, the amount of windows, and the modulars. The site council would like to see an electric lock system that was presented to them by Juli Young, implemented in the West Elk campus. It is felt that this system could be adjusted to any future changes that could be made to the campus, while helping to maintain a safe environment in the meantime. Members of the council discussed the possibility of future government mandates regarding school safety, and feel it would be wise to get a jump start on the safety situation.
(Possibilities that were dreamed up and getting a jump on them by spending lots of money, that's a superb plan isn't it? What if the government did come up with something and offered to pay for new installations and yours is already in? No funds for you, huh? Great plan but only "IF", right?)Other matters discussed by the site council included the possibility of putting up signs on the campus stating that video surveillance is in progress, to deter any possible threats. Also the council has asked Juli Young to check with the Fire Marshall about the gates that surround the modulars and whether crash gates could be used to help prevent the easy access to the modulars.
(Don't those no guns permitted work?)Next meeting is scheduled for April 17th at 6:30.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------September 24, 2013, 6:30 p.m. West Elk Library
The following members were in attendance: Chris Haag, Kevin Weber, Gina Wilson, Tina Jackson, Ian Denton, and Kate Perkins
The meeting began with Ian Denton reporting on the results of the board meeting. It was reported that the signage the site council had discussed in previous meetings has been put up on school grounds.
The council discussed what the purpose and goals for the new school year should be. Tina Jackson stated she would like for the group to continue pushing school safety as a priority. The council realizes that the school board is at a planning stage for the campus and does not want to pursue any major expenses at this time, however the council does not want the issue of school safety to be forgotten.
(The school is going to the county begging for money to run their bus system, where they should receive a righteous no. The school system has separate funding and it's own property tax and needs to learn how to budget their money. If they can't afford to operate their buses, how can they afford to put sprinkler systems on two baseball fields and spend money on an improved football field so they look more professional? And lets not forget special seats for the gymnasium with logos and a logo placed in the gym floor for further professional appearance, shall we? It appear they have lots of money for sports, don't they? What exactly is their priorities? Wasting money on a school bus and driver to provide free transportation for the Booster's to travel to out of town games, is that a priority? Has anyone with the Booster's ever heard of carpooling and sharing the cost? Why are they using monies that are intended for the childrens education? Are they someone special that they come before the children's busing expenses? Ooop's I forgot SPORTS!)The council discussed the possibility of a truancy officer/resource officer funded partly by the county and to be shared with Elk Valley school district. Ian will visit with Birdie Miller about possible funding/grant money for a resource officer. It was felt by the council that we should invite Sheriff Hanks and Birdie.
Miller to further investigate this issue.
Chris Haag reported that the Food For Kids program will be up and running as of October 4th.
The next site council meeting will be November 12th at 6:30 p.m. in the West Elk Library.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(Did anyone else notice the council has gone from the original 15 members down to 6 members? I wonder why that happens?
I wonder too, how many are Elk Konnected?
All of the above listed minutes can be found at: http://www.westelk.us/site-council/
The November minutes have not yet been posted.
The last minutes for the School Board minutes posted on the West Elk web site are for 2013-07-08 - Jul 8th, 2013 (Regular).pdf so somebody must be too busy to click a few buttons on the computer. Perhaps someone should revisit how important technology is. Oh, and communications with the community as well.)And don't forget:
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Quote from: redcliffsw on December 27, 2013, 05:21:56 AM
This one isn't written for the sheep. Only we barbarians can understand it.
http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/becoming-the-new-barbarians
I found this to be a very good article Redcliffsw, interesting read.
I find I must be a barbarian because I don't agree with them --- the so called elite --- and their desire to borrow money un-necessarily to build an un-needed grade school redesigned as extensions to West Elk.
I don't agree with their like mindedness and liberal thinking of progressive waste.
Yep, that makes me a barbarian and for sure because my thinking that improving educational standards is far more important and reversing the Dumbing Down of America is far more important than the emphasis on SPORTS!
And I suppose, because, I don't run around with the new fangled, high tech beggars tin cup begging for money and calling it donations, to fulfill my own desires for self recognition --- I must surely be a barbarian.
And because I don't run around telling people to volunteer for my causes, I must be a barbarian.
Why do you suppose, I don't use those simple tools of control?
They are great tools for fooling people into doing what you want them to do and control people through guilt, aren't they?
I mean, if you as an elite can't dazzle them with brilliance, you can often baffle them with bull shit ---right?
RIGHT?
You too can be a Barbarian just say "NO":Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
What is frugality?
Does it only apply to people?
Shouldn't it apply to Government?
Isn't the School Board Government?
Doesn't the critical thinking they want taught to students apply to them as well?
Anything but frugal is wasteful or simply trying to show up the Joneses in my opinion.
Here is an article I read on frugal attitude.
Waste Not, Want Not: Lessons in Frugality for Children
Written by Meg Dickey, Contributing Writer
As we seek to train our children well, one of our family's major learning points is to teach our children the art of frugality. Frugality is making good choices with the resources God has given you - this includes your brain, as I am apt to remind my children. :-)
I have heard many times from other parents, "I just want my kids to have the best I can give them." OF COURSE! We all desire our children to have good things, and to be happy.
However, happiness does not come from things, nor does it come with being handed everything you think you want. Teaching our children to make wise decisions is one of the best ways we can ensure their happiness.
Understand why you are teaching this skill.
As Christians, we are called to instruct our children with wisdom. "Listen to advice, and accept instruction, and in the end, you will be wise" Proverbs 19:20. We are teaching our children to examine the way we live our lives - "Is there a better way? Can we do this with less money? Can we avoid waste here? Is this the only place we can buy this? Does anyone around us have something we need, so we can trade?"
We can't just stop there, however! The danger in the frugal lifestyle is to end up just as self-focused as the world around us.
Our children need to know our frugality has an even higher purpose and calling for us as Christians. When we take care of what God has blessed us with, we are showing those around us a living example of Him. We are called to be good stewards:
"Herein lies the fundamental principle of biblical stewardship – the fundamental principle of all Christianity, in fact: We own nothing. God owns everything; we are simply managers. The Bible says, "You may say to yourself, 'My power and the strength of my hands have produced this wealth for me.' But remember the Lord your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth" (Deuteronomy 8:17-18).
As humbling as this sounds, we don't bring anything to the table. It's all God's. This principle carries some heavy implications. First, since God owns it all, he holds the rights that come with ownership. Since we only have what we have been allowed to have, then we operate primarily in the realm of responsibilities. Hear that clearly: God has rights; we have responsibilities. God has entrusted us with certain resources, gifts and abilities. These things rightfully belong to him. Our responsibility is to live by that trust by managing these things well, according to His design and desire."
from Bible.org, emphasis added
Once our children realized that it's wasn't just about saving money, we saw a real heart change in their attitudes. Instead of the complaining about not getting their "favorite", they reminded me to buy the other brand, "So there will be more for us to share with our friends." It's not always about getting the most for your money - sometimes it's just about having more to share with those less fortunate.
Explain, and then live it.
Our family's choices - about where we live, how we live, how we eat, how much we eat, how we dress, where we obtain our clothes, what we drive - it's all a part of a bigger picture.
Our children see us living our lives every day. If we don't take the time to tell them WHY, they will end up like so many children I have heard saying: "Mom and Dad just don't want us to have nice things. They make me feel so stupid by making me wear old clothes, and they are SO embarrassing when they show up in that old clunker of a car!" The most heartrending of the comments was "If this is how I have to be if I'm a Christian, I don't want to be a Christian anymore." That cannot be the end result of our frugal penny-pinching.
Our children need to know why we choose to eat real, whole foods; why we drive an older car that can run off veggie oil; why we choose to shop at thrift stores; why we grow or trade our own food instead of buying it. Everything we do, we do it all to glorify the Name of the Lord. We strive to be a living example of doing the best we can with what we have been blessed with.
Live it practically.
Our family teaches frugality every day. We remind our children to open a window curtain for light, rather then using electricity. We stay a little warmer in summer, and a little cooler in winter - because clothing is cheaper to adjust than the thermostat. We grow or trade for most of our food, allowing our children to realize the blessing of fresh, whole foods.
When we do go to a grocery store, our children help make the list, and they are allowed to gently (and respectfully!) remind Moma "That's not on our list, so we will be spending more." Our boys know the true value of cars as transportation, and why we don't allow ourselves to become a slave to them. [Case in point: our oldest pointed to a lifted, "tricked out" truck the other day, and stated "What a waste of money, Moma!"] We teach math in the Farmer's Market stalls, explaining how to get more for our money by buying in season, while sharing how spending it at a place where the farmer gets more of the money is wise, too.
Each small step we take with our children is one that is closer to a greater understanding of our commitment to those around us, our earth, and our Savior. Frugality is a path we chose for our family. Our children are growing and learning right alongside us.
http://www.keeperofthehome.org/2011/05/waste-not-want-not-lessons-in-frugality-for-children.html
Ross, good post for sure.
The socialists believe that you should share your money by and thru the government on whatever gets the most votes or that the tyrants and elitists deem necessary for the good of the public or community.
Are Republicans conservative? No. They want to take your money thru the government and spend on their favorite stuff. Meanwhile, they will keep as much of their own money as they can and get what they can for themselves by and thru government.
Can we describe Republicans as socialists? Yes Sir! Absolutely! Socialism is the basis of the Republican party that tracks all the way back to Abe Lincoln.
You stay right in there.
I attended the Elk County Commissioners meeting this morning which was pretty much business as usual.
The only thing I can tell you is I did not see the West Elk School Superintendent or the West Elk Transportation employee there to beg for money to help with their bus expenses.
Maybe they came to a realization that it is not the County's job to finance the School District.
But guess what? I may have found some help for them, simply by reading the news.
Our wind farm here in Elk County is owned by TradeWind Energy™ and it appears they have been donating in Oklahoma, perhaps all West Elk needs to do is beg them for money or ask them to donate a couple of School Buses to the West Elk School District.
Yeah, asking for donations is just a politically correct term for begging.
After all I had read where TradeWind Energy™ gave the people in one area in Oklahoma $3,000,000 a year for the same size wind farm we have, and we get just a little under $1,000,000. I believe due to poor negotiations on the part of our Kounty Kommissioners at the time.
Any way West Elk School Board and administrators feast your eyes on the possibility of some big bucks.
Developer Donates 2 School Buses To Okla. District
Published 6:45 am, Friday, December 27, 2013
SHIDLER, Okla. (AP) — The developers of a new wind farm in Osage County have donated two new school buses to a rural Oklahoma district.
TradeWind Energy delivered the new buses last week to Shidler Public Schools. The idea came about after a TradeWind official attended a Shidler school board meeting to share details of the planned Mustang Run wind project in Osage County, said Laurie Roberts, a spokeswoman for the Kansas-based company. But once there, TradeWind employee Aaron Weigel heard about the district's aging bus fleet and the costliness of maintaining the vehicles.
"We strive to be active participants in the communities in which we develop, and we simply couldn't look the other way," Weigel said. "I attended a school that reminds me very much of this one, so I know what it's like when a bus breaks down on a dirt road in February, 45 minutes into your hour-long ride.
"To be able to provide the district with some relief, while playing a role in transporting this precious cargo — we couldn't think of a better Christmas gift," Weigel said.
TradeWind is in the process of developing a 136-megawatt wind project in central Osage County, near Burbank. It'll be the latest Oklahoma wind farm for TradeWind, joining the Chisholm View wind project in Garfield and Grant counties and Rocky Ridge in Washita and Kiowa counties.
According to The Examiner-Enterprise, (http://bit.ly/K9ISof ) TradeWind has committed to paying all costs associated with the lease of two buses to the Shidler district for three years.
"I guess Santa's sleigh is big and yellow in Osage County this year," Shidler School Superintendent John Herzig said.
http://www.sfgate.com/business/energy/article/Developer-donates-2-school-buses-to-Okla-district-5095955.php
End of story, can you handle it?
A reminder:
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Quote from: ROSS on December 31, 2013, 10:34:51 AM
I attended the Elk County Commissioners meeting this morning which was pretty much business as usual.
The only thing I can tell you is I did not see the West Elk School Superintendent or the West Elk Transportation employee there to beg for money to help with their bus expenses.
Maybe they came to a realization that it is not the County's job to finance the School District.
And it's a good thing, too. For USD 282, a corporate body with taxing powers, to even consider such a move would be the ultimate in Progressive arrogance. They already raised property taxes for every property owner in the school district, partially offsetting the property tax reductions envisioned by a majority of the county commissioners.
How much self centered thievery must the taxpayers be expected to endure? Perhaps the school board will someday realize they have a trust obligation to the taxpayers as well as the students. Perhaps, someday, Job 1 will again become Excellence in Education and they will reign in their Big Ideas in favor of rational expenditures designed to maintain that with which the taxpayers have provided them. Things like improved curriculum, competitive teacher pay & incentives, existing infrastructure maintenance, more frugal space usage, and, yes, school buses. These, it seems, would be a much better use of taxpayer dollars than the 'new gym' and 'rob the county coffers approach.
Then again, there's always the next election where taxpayers & voters might have the chance to replace current members who seem to follow the Obamanomics method of tax and spend on a whim.
Quote from: Patriot on December 31, 2013, 10:28:46 PM
And it's a good thing, too. For USD 282, a corporate body with taxing powers, to even consider such a move would be the ultimate in Progressive arrogance. They already raised property taxes for every property owner in the school district, partially offsetting the property tax reductions envisioned by a majority of the county commissioners.
How much self centered thievery must the taxpayers be expected to endure? Perhaps the school board will someday realize they have a trust obligation to the taxpayers as well as the students. Perhaps, someday, Job 1 will again become Excellence in Education and they will reign in their Big Ideas in favor of rational expenditures designed to maintain that with which the taxpayers have provided them. Things like improved curriculum, competitive teacher pay & incentives, existing infrastructure maintenance, more frugal space usage, and, yes, school buses. These, it seems, would be a much better use of taxpayer dollars than the 'new gym' and 'rob the county coffers approach.
Then again, there's always the next election where taxpayers & voters might have the chance to replace current members who seem to follow the Obamanomics method of tax and spend on a whim.
Perhaps we can get some people on the School Board, that are not affiliated with special interests.
You know, people that don't use coded words like "Quality of Life" and "Community Wellness" and "Physical Image" and "Youth Development" all of which lack any explanation of how to accomplish them, rendering them useless. A whole lot like that Obama thingy --- hope and change, don't ya reckon?
Perhaps, we could get people that are interested in the protocol of educating
all of the children of Elk County! And perhaps throw in some protocol of
serving the taxpayer in an honorable fashion!
Perhaps, some people interested in spending money to maintain what is available to work with
efficiently, instead of wasting money at $85 an hour for a salesman/contractor.
Perhaps people they would not waste as much as possibly $3000.00 dollars to run a Bond Election they have already decided will be a failure. And that was stated at a School Board meeting, that they will run another Bond Issue when this
Second Bond Issue fails. Yes, we just had a bond issue a couple of years ago and they were told "NO". This is a no brainer and lacks
Critical Thinking, if they actually continue this line of thinking!
The
Critical Thinking that the School Board has made a Goal of being taught to students, states that they should question their prejudices, and to seriously consider all options. Some of those prejudices:
1. would include their place of residence,
2. the placement of their loyalties,
3. their affiliation with other government entities
4. their affiliation with privately owned companies, LLC's,
Just to name a few possibilities.One more prejudice could be, who they represent in fulfilling their responsibilities as School Board meetings.
Where is all that
Critical Thinking? I can't seem to find it happening, can you?
Critical Thinking also requires asking a whole lot of questions, where are all those questions?
If they employed
Critical Thinking, I believe they would stop all this foolishness of wasting taxpayers' dollars, don't you?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Quote from: ROSS on January 01, 2014, 09:05:04 AM
...Perhaps people they would not waste as much as possibly $3000.00 dollars to run a Bond Election they have already decided will be a failure. And that was stated at a School Board meeting, that they will run another Bond Issue when this Second Bond Issue fails. Yes, we just had a bond issue a couple of years ago and they were told "NO". This is a no brainer and lacks Critical Thinking, if they actually continue this line of thinking!
Since the days of their ideological Father, Karl Marx, the socialists, communists, statists, leftists, Progressives, 'moderates' (or whatever they call themselves this year) have no concept of being told "no". They have been using the same techniques to undermine & destroy the principles of a representative republic for decades... and are sadly having considerable success. It's no coincidence that the very institution that fails to adequately instruct our youth on the failures of socialism/communism by contrasting it with the vast successes of our Republic is being 'managed' by the products of its' failed curricula. Garbage in - garbage out.
But, not to worry, the local Konnected elitists who are helping Obama, Sebilius, Holder, Soros and others fundamentally transform America into their vision of a Managed Utopia (with them at the top) are alive, well & hard at work in every kornor of the country. Even little old Elk Kounty. And they are a determined bunch, even if the price is your individual liberty, wealth (theft by excess taxation) & choice History records a time when such as these were run out of town on a rail... or worse. What a society we've become.
May God help our children & grandchildren!
Patriot have you noticed noticed there has been no rebuttals to what we have been pointing out?
Are the elite speechless?
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
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Quote from: ROSS on January 01, 2014, 06:07:42 PM
Patriot have you noticed noticed there has been no rebuttals to what we have been pointing out?
Are the elite speechless?
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
Maybe they are following their Dear Leader's (Obama) format: Say nothing and perhaps nobody will notice. That's a fantasy akin to a small child holding their hands over their eyes and saying, "You can't see me."
Or, perhaps, there is just no proper rebuttal to the truth.
People seem to be concerned about
School Shooting even though all the
School Shootings have happened in major metropolitan areas. That's not to say there is not a possibility that a school shooting could not happen out here in the middle of no where. But in my opinion very unlikely.
There is, in the plans of building a new grade school as extensions to
West Elk to include
security using cameras and powered locking doors and building a new office at the front door. To me they are simply using that as an excuse to protect the children from something that may never happen. So they can acquire their Professional Sports Complex. What are the odds of a shooting at West Elk?
With all the
School Buses the
School runs, and all the miles they accumulate, what are the odds of having an accident on the highways of
Elk County?The
School Board had a camera and an electrically lock installed at the front door of the Moline Grade School.
I can't tell you exactly how many times I walked through that door without being buzzed in and walked straight to the office and no one there. Not very good security in my books.
It appears they are using security only as a cause to get another gymnasium. For instance what has the
School Board done to address
Bullying? My bet is that
bullying is the major cause of school shootings and suicides. Do they discuss this
security issue? They had a school girl ask on one of their studies why, when bullying is reported to a teacher that nothing is done. There never was a proper answer was there?
Is
safety and security of our school children really of any importance to the
School Board?
The
School Superintendent and the
School Bus Employee were going to go to the County Commissioners to
beg for financial aid to keep the
School Buses running. Yet they can provide
bus transportation for the
Booster Club to attend out of town
games?
Why?Security and safety for the children,
really? While they are busy
spending thousands on
sports and
concentrating on
sports, the children's
safety goes unattended.
Every child is required by law to wear seat belts in every vehicle, except
School Buses! Does that mean we can not protect our children?
Our children face the
real danger and possibility of an accident, every day when riding in a
School Bus, but they
lack the
safety that a seat belt provides.
Why? Isn't their safety important while riding down the highway in a School Bus at 55 and 65 miles per hour?
I suppose a
Sport Complex and a
Taj Mahal has priority over the
safety of our children.
What do you think?
Should we go $6.1 million in debt because some un-named individual wants a
Taj Mahal and a
Sport Complex?And how could they care less about the children's
safety on the
School Buses ? And they want to provide
School Buses for transportation to out of town games for the
Boosters Club (
whoever they are). Oh, gotta pay that bus driver too!
What should the
School Boards priorities be?
Should they be education?
Should they be reasonable safety?
Or should their priorities be a
Taj Mahal and a Professional Sport Complex?
It seems to me that
Konnections for the children are all wrong, what do you think?
Keep telling them what their priorities should be:And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
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Wade Gilley: Next financial crisis developing on campuses
Jan. 05, 2014 @ 12:00 AM
America has faced several crises recently, but the greatest yet to come could be just around the corner. This will be the financial crisis of our colleges and universities, which will shake the nation.
It is common knowledge that the outstanding debt incurred by current and former college students exceeds $1 trillion dollars, and it is growing exponentially. A recent Wall Street Journal column by Dave Girouard, former CEO of Google Enterprises, referred to the trillion-dollar debt and reported that one-third of this debt is in default.
If present trends continue, by 2020, the outstanding debt of current and former college students will exceed $2 trillion, or half of all consumer debt in the nation. If Americans can learn to curb their non-essential spending habits, then the college student debt could be two-thirds of all consumer debt and place a stranglehold on the American economy.
As this danger looms, Moody's has issued two serious warnings to our institutions of higher education regarding excessive non-academic spending and a strong warning about exorbitant spending on athletics. Much of the spending on athletics comes from student fees in most institutions, which in many cases borrowed money. The spending is driven by competition for more expensive and elaborate athletic facilities and higher salaries of coaches (like presidents and others), which have increased more than 30 percent per year in the last 10 years at a time when most institutions have lost money -- and lots of it --
on athletics. Read the whole story at: http://www.herald-dispatch.com/opinions/x780154867/Wade-Gilley-Next-financial-crisis-developing-on-campuses
I received an e-mail this morning with an e-mail planted right in the middle of it. It seems we are not the only School District with a runaway School Board only bent on spending the taxpayers money in the same wasteful fashion as the Federal Government.
Well, before I posted the e-mail on this forum, I e-mailed the author of the e-mail for his consent to do so.
Here it is highlighted in blue:
On Saturday, January 4, 2014 12:07 PM, T Whiz <tonythegreat@swko.net> wrote:
Yeppers, scary the thought on government growth. The last time I ran for office was for USD 480 School Board. One of the things I ran on was getting the Federal government out of our classrooms and further cutting costs by not adhering to Federal programs that provide grant money for only a limited time as well as take up space in our schools by occupying classrooms with migrant programs, pre school (essentially free day care), etc. I did pretty good but didn't win. I think many thought I was too radical, or just some dumb redneck because I don't own half the town and I speak with a Southern accent. (LOL) Now we have a school board that wants this town of about 21,000 people (many of whom live below the poverty level) to tear down perfectly good old schools instead of adding on, and then build entirely new ones at the astounding cost of $140,000,000.00+. Would you believe that now (after the fact) I get comments like - "I wish you had gotten on the board," and "you ought to run again"? At this point I don't think I'd run again if they paid me. I just hope their crazy bond issue fails.
These people will complain about the conduct and spending of the Federal Government, then they do the same thing on the local level!
Sincerely, Tony
Thank You Tony for permission to use your e-mail.
Tony Rednecks are not dumb, they are determined and get things done. Be proud to be a redneck.
It's a crying shame to put someone down partly because of their accent, but I have heard the little girly giggles at our very own School Board meetings. Our school Board appears to lack the leadership to speak up and put a stop to it. What a shame, what a shame!
Don't ya reckon our School Board should be concentrating on Education as they are on Sports and Building a school that is not needed? This may be a case that should be followed! What is to keep the next case from going after a school district or a school board? California Students Sue State Over
Ineffective Teachers
By Mary C. Tillotson / Watchdog.org / January 6, 2014
California's laws surrounding teacher tenure, dismissal, and layoffs violate the state's constitution — specifically, students' right to an equal opportunity to access quality education — say nine students suing the state. The trial is set to begin Jan. 27.
If they win, the effects could ripple across the country.
EFFECTIVE: California students are suing the state, hoping to have more effective teachers in the classroom.
"I think any time that you see a genuine reform in California, you empower reformers everywhere in the country who realize if you can actually fix something like that in California, you can fix it anywhere," said Ed Ring, executive director of the California Public Policy Center.
Plaintiffs argue that minority and poor students are most in need of effective teachers and least likely, in California, to be taught by them.
"Research has shown that inside the school building, nothing matters more than the quality of the teachers," said Sandi Jacobs, vice president for National Council on Teacher Quality. "An effective teacher and a highly effective teacher make a really significant difference in the trajectory of their students, and the same is true in the negative capacity for an ineffective teacher."
Other factors, like parents' level of education, are also correlated with student performance, but as far as factors schools can control, teacher quality matters more than any other variable, she said.
"Ineffective teachers are entrenched in California's public school system," according to a press release issued by Students Matter, which is sponsoring the case. "The superintendents of many school districts affirm that their districts are beleaguered by grossly ineffective teachers and attribute the continued employment of these teachers to the challenged statutes."
California Teachers Association, a teachers union, has intervened in the lawsuit, hoping the state's laws will be upheld.
Many relatively new teachers are granted "permanent employment" status after 18 months — long before the school district can determine whether the teacher is effective, plaintiffs argue. CTA argues this is enough time to evaluate a teacher, and if it isn't being done, school officials may need more resources, said spokesman Frank Wells.
The dismissal process for ineffective teachers is long and cumbersome, preventing principals from firing ineffective teachers, plaintiffs argue.
"The principals I've known would like that power [to dismiss ineffective teachers] because they know a bad teacher when they see one, and they know a good teacher when they see one, and they're hamstrung by the rules," said Larry Sand, a retired California teacher of 24 years and president of California Teachers Empowerment Network.
The dismissal process should be streamlined, Wells said, but CTA supports using the lawmaking process, not the court system, to implement the best system. In addition, he said, ineffective teachers are quietly "counseled out" of teaching more often than they are dismissed.
When teachers are laid off, the least effective should be the first to go, plaintiffs argue, challenging the current system of laying off teachers with the least seniority.
"The Last-In, First-Out Statute requires school districts to leave grossly ineffective teachers in the classroom while laying off exceptional teachers," according to Students Matter.
Wells said rating each teacher in the district against other teachers based on effectiveness is impractical, and if schools had more resources, layoffs wouldn't be needed.
Teacher evaluations, when done right, can provide valuable insight for administrators to tailor professional development to teachers needing support in specific skills, and can help districts make good hiring decisions, Jacobs said.
For teachers who are not improving, even with professional development, administrators need the ability to dismiss them, she said.
"There's a lot of room for debate over how you determine what constitutes a failed teacher and what constitutes a successful teacher, but at the end of the day, if and when you determine a teacher is failing, you have to let them go, and you can't in California," Ring said. "In a practical sense, it's impossible."
Part of 44 in the series Educating America
http://watchdog.org/122324/california-students-sue/
So, how is the School Board going to be able to get the state to provide the 20% of their $6.1 MILLION for the new School Building they want to build? Read what the New York Times has to say about money for schools in Kansas!
Perhaps the School Board should concentrate more on improving Education for all the children and think less about Sports and none on spending big money on building a new school building. It's your decision, it's up to you the voter! It's up to you the citizen! Get your relatives, friends and neighbors out to vote if a Bond Issue is brought out. And remember if they do in April and are told no, they have already said they will be back in November with a revision.
Even if the per-pupil expenditures gets increased to $4,492 from $3,838, the level previously established as suitable. West Elk Claimed they could not afford to operate the grade schools we had and closed them. What the School Board wants now is nothing different than running those grade schools, it is just newer and much more expensive. What's the Matter With Kansas' Schools?
KANSAS, like every state, explicitly guarantees a free public education in its Constitution, affirming America's founding belief that only an educated citizenry can preserve democracy and safeguard individual liberty and freedom.
And yet in recent years Kansas has become the epicenter of a new battle over the states' obligation to adequately fund public education. Even though the state Constitution requires that it make "suitable provision" for financing public education, Gov. Sam Brownback and the Republican-led Legislature have made draconian cuts in school spending, leading to a lawsuit that now sits before the state Supreme Court.
The outcome of that decision could resonate nationwide. Forty-five states have had lawsuits challenging the failure of governors and legislators to provide essential resources for a constitutional education. Litigation is pending against 11 states that allegedly provide inadequate and unfair school funding, including New York, Florida, Texas and California.
Many of these lawsuits successfully forced elected officials to increase school funding overall and to deliver more resources to poor students and those with special needs. If the Kansas Supreme Court rules otherwise, students in those states may begin to see the tide of education cuts return.
Kansas' current constitutional crisis has its genesis in a series of cuts to school funding that began in 2009. The cuts were accelerated by a $1.1 billion tax break, which benefited mostly upper-income Kansans, proposed by Governor Brownback and enacted in 2012.
Overall, the Legislature slashed public education funding to 16.5 percent below the 2008 level, triggering significant program reductions in schools across the state. Class sizes have increased, teachers and staff members have been laid off, and essential services for at-risk students were eliminated, even as the state implemented higher academic standards for college and career readiness.
Parents filed a lawsuit in the Kansas courts to challenge the cuts. In Gannon v. State of Kansas, a three-judge trial court ruled in January 2013 for the parents, finding that the cuts reduced per-pupil expenditures far below a level "suitable" to educate all children under Kansas' standards.
The judges also found that the Legislature was not meeting even the basic funding amounts set in its own education cost studies. The judges called the school funding cut "destructive of our children's future."
To remedy the funding shortfall, the judges ordered that per-pupil expenditures be increased to $4,492 from $3,838, the level previously established as suitable.
Rather than comply, Governor Brownback appealed to the Kansas Supreme Court. A decision is expected this month.
A victory for the parents would be heartening, but if it comes, would Governor Brownback and legislative leaders uphold the right to education guaranteed to Kansas school children?
The signals thus far are not promising. If the Kansas Supreme Court orders restoration of the funding, legislators are threatening to amend the state's Constitution by removing the requirement for "suitable" school funding and to strip Kansas courts of jurisdiction to hear school finance cases altogether. And if the amendment fails, they have vowed to defy any court order for increased funding or, at the very least, take the money from higher education.
A court-stripping constitutional amendment, and defiance of a state Supreme Court order, would shred the very fabric of Kansas' government and send shock waves through state capitals across the nation. It would allow elected branches to avoid any responsibility to adhere to the language and interpretation of their state constitutions by the courts. It would gravely undermine judicial independence and shut the courthouse door to vulnerable children who, as a last resort, seek legal redress to vindicate their fundamental right to an education.
As the Gannon trial judges noted, matters such as education are placed in constitutions because they are "intended for permanence" and "to protect them from the vagaries of politics."
Kansans rightfully take pride in their strong public school system. But as Kansas goes, so may go the nation. The Kansas Constitution, like those in other states, demands that every child be given the educational opportunity to meet his or her promise. This requires, at a minimum, adequate and suitable school funding. Governor Brownback and legislators must meet the constitutional command and, by so doing, advance the core American value of equal opportunity for all.
David Sciarra is the executive director of the Education Law Center. Wade Henderson is the president and chief executive of the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/08/opinion/whats-the-matter-with-kansas-schools.html?hpw&rref=opinion
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Some of the elite and supposedly educated people of Elk County have the idea that a large school building and a massive sports complex will get people to move to Howard and increase money flow to the merchants, the retailers. Guess what, THEY ARE WRONG, School District school buildings are not suppose to be economic development tools for merchants and retailers.
The effect they will get with this type of thinking will be just the opposite of what they want. The effect will be higher property taxes for twenty years and no return on the money . Another affect will be yearly increases in property taxes for increased maintenance and upkeep. Nothing is free, is it?
Check out this article which refers to other studies proclaiming the continuation of decline in the state of Kansas, not just rural areas. I don't make this stuff up, unlike those that would have you believe that we need a new school and I always try to provide a link unless I am expressing my personal opinion.
We have not seen any actions produced from the studies our School Board spent good money to have performed, so why did they money waste the money to have the studies done? Because it is not their money and it is real easy to waste other peoples money. The Federal Government does it daily, don't they?
The article says, "on a review of census data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Kansas saw a 21.5 percent increase in population between 1980 and 2011, while at that same time local government employment has increased 62.7 percent." But yet Elk County continues to shrink in population. Would you ask yourself why? My thought is the highest property taxes in Kansas. And the School Board wants to make taxes even higher for 20 years just to appease some persons need to feel important and have a Taj Mahal of a School Building. Go figure!
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Kansas Trails
Surrounding States In
Economic Freedom
By Travis Perry / January 7, 2014
OSAWATOMIE, Kan. — The Sunflower State scored middle of the pack in a recent study of economic freedom in North America, and while policy analysts say Kansas is trending in the right direction, the state still has some ground to cover.
Breaking down the data released last month by the Canada-based Fraser Institute, an independent, nonpartisan research and educational organization, Dave Trabert, president of the conservative Kansas Policy Institute, said the state's black eye is starkly presented in the numbers.
"In terms of what Kansas needs to do to improve, it's pretty clear, you start from the bottom," Trabert said. "The biggest thing it can do is deal with the fact that we have a lot more government in Kansas than we need, and this is just one of the latest (studies) to point that out."
The Fraser report looked at things such as how much the government contributes to the overall state economy and workforce, levels of tax revenue, minimum wage laws and labor union density, among other factors.
Kansas ranked in the second-highest quartile in terms of economic freedom based on data collected from 2011. While that's encouraging, the fact loses some of its luster when you consider that the only surrounding state to rank lower was Missouri. Oklahoma ranked 17th out of all states, compared to Kansas' 23rd place ranking. Nebraska and Colorado joined Delaware, Texas, Nevada, Wyoming, South Dakota, Georgia, Utah and Illinois to be named the 10 "most free" states.
Trabert said based on a review of census data provided by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, Kansas saw a 21.5 percent increase in population between 1980 and 2011, while at that same time
local government employment has increased 62.7 percent.
Dave Trabert, Kansas Policy Institute
"It's kind of across the board," he said. "Kansas, the structure itself, we have a lot more government than most states."
Only looking at cities, counties and townships, Trabert said, nationwide the average is about 8,066 residents per government. In Kansas, that figure is significantly lower, clocking in at around 1,445 state residents per government – and that's not even counting school districts or numerous other, smaller government entities. Kansas' figures are five times the national average.
While the study knocks Kansas for its 2011 tax rates, Gov. Sam Brownback's tax plan signed into law the following year, which decreases income tax rates, will likely improve the state's placement in future studies.
Still, the rankings of surrounding states give Trabert cause for concern.
"People have been voting with their feet for a long time, and that's going to continue to happen," he told Kansas Watchdog.
It's a trend that was revealed in even greater clarity last year, when an analysis of IRS and U.S. Census Bureau data revealed that Texas, Florida, Colorado and other low-tax states were veritable magnets for cash exiting Kansas.
"It all comes down to how much you spend," Trabert said. "The more government you have, the more government spends, the more you have to tax people."
The least free states, according to the Fraser Institute study, are Vermont, New Mexico, West Virginia, Mississippi, Maine, Kentucky, Montana, Arkansas, Hawaii and Rhode Island.
Related: Texas, Florida Are Top Destinations For Kansas Cash
Oops, I forgot the link and had to come back!http://watchdog.org/122586/kansas-economic-freedom/
I received my copy of the West Elk Regular Board meeting for January 13th today. It was post marked January 10th and today is January 11th pretty amazing – overnight delivery at bulk postal rates. Remember when they told me my agenda's were late because of the post office having to send them to Wichita, well this one is post marked Wichita.
But anyway, the agenda once again says facilities & survey report. I guess they just won't get off that kick of doing what is not necessary. I wonder if their architect / salesman will be there to collect $85 and hour for selling them the goods. The reason I say salesman is because he started them out with a quote in the $1 million range and now has them up to $6.1 million and I think even that number is subject to change. Especially when you throw in the interest for 20 years, which in itself will be a bundle.
I have been checking the West Elk web site regularly for the video of the public meeting Richard Guerry Parent Assembly Tue, December 17, 2013, 7pm – 7pm http://www.westelk.us/event/ which was video taped by the Schools Technician employee. I was told it would be placed on the web site after the Christmas Break. Also, after a person had taken the videos home to edit and splice the video from both cameras together. I do believe it is improper if not illegal to edit public meetings. Well, the video has still not been posted! I wonder if the School Board was dismayed by the event and felt they failed to accomplish what they wanted to do and therefore with holding the video? Just asking!
I understand a citizen addressed them about the dollar amounts and that the board members did not display much of an interest in discussing cost.
I personally asked the School Board President that evening to have our School Board Meetings recorded, just like this public meeting and posted on West Elks web site, and he said he thought that was doable. Another citizen also asked that very same thing.
I had the opportunity to discuss the video recording idea of the meetings with the School Superintendent. He informed me they would have to hire someone and then have to pay an outside company to edit the recording before posting it on the web site. Well, Mr. School Superintendent none of that would be necessary. We already pay for a technician that works for us and if he can do it for the School Board in an attempt to do a sales job on the taxpayers, he can do it for a more respectable reason. The School District owns all the necessary technology to get the job done and the Technician is required to attend School Board Meetings anyway. Also the School Board Meeting falls under the open Meetings Act and I believe, therefore editing is not allowed . No expense involved, in keeping the public and taxpayers informed, now is there?
I have also been checking the posting of the School Board Minutes and finally today, I found someone has finally updated the minutes for the last three months. Sure took long enough to click a couple of buttons.
BOE-September 9, 2013 BOE-October 14, 2103 BOE-November 11, 2013
But there is what I consider a lack of the School District wanting the public to know what is really going on at those meetings. There is much left out of the meetings minutes and the attachments discussed are never attached to the meetings minutes! I wonder why? What are they keeping from the public? They told me I could receive copies of the hand outs and attachments, if I wanted to pay for them. Really? Why should I or you have to pay for those attachments? Do the School Board Members pay for these public documents? Why are they not posted on the West Elk web site with the School Board Minutes that refer to them? Is this a want to be like, the Obama Administration that wants to lack in transparency, or is it just laziness on the part of the School Administration?
Keeping accurate records of what transpires at School Board meetings is vital to keeping the public informed. Those attachments and handouts are part of the School Board Meetings and mentioned in the minutes and should therefore be attached to the minutes. They are public information and should not be held for a ransom, as in charging for copies. As citizens, we may not be able to attend every meeting. But it's important that we can look back at public record and read an accurate account of events. Everything is public information at the West Elk School District with the exception of disciplinary actions. Now please correct me if I am wrong!
They School Board has claimed we old folks don't understand the importance of technology, I think what they mean is they hope we don't understand.
Before school let out for Christmas break, I stopped by the District Office and asked to see a copy of the School Board bylaws or policy, and was told it was scattered all over the place. They said they were updating it. So, I politely said, I would wait until another time and come back. Where upon, they said they would be completing the job over Christmas break and would post it on the schools web site. Well, I'm still waiting to see it posted!
Board Policies – A blank page. http://www.westelk.us/district-2/board-policies/
Principal's Corner
The 2013-2014 School year is underway! Our enrollment has increased and we look forward to what this year has in store! We offer an experienced staff who share the common goal of success. I encourage you to be involved with your school and if we can do something for you, please let us know. http://www.westelk.us/principal-comments/re
Well here it is, here is my involvement and what you can do for me! Please let the School Board know in your report that you provide to the School Board at every meeting, that the above requests, in the above message have been directed to you. That is, if you are sincere, in what you say and what you post on the West Elk web site. Thank you, so very much.
Our School Board could take some clues about how to set up a proper School Board panel, or is our School Board going to continue to be much more backward and less refined than a small
Arkansas School Board. You can distinctly see that the
Arkansas School Board faces the audience and that they speak clearly and distinctly!
Also I figure educated School Board Members should know better than to speak out over other members or to whisper to the person next to them, all of which is very rude. Also it shows a lack of etiquette as in proper manners for the taxpayers in the audience.
Can we expect better attitudes and respect from our School Board Members for each other and the citizens that attend the School Board Meetings.
Can the School Board Members show they are educated?
Can they speak up , and speak loudly as to fill the room with their voices?
Well, lets wait and see?
What if their architect /salesman or the school staff reporting to them failed to speak up, loudly and clearly in order to be heard, would the School Board just say, " so what" and ignore the fact they were unable to get a decent report?
I don't think so, do you think so?
Did
Elk Konnected hold their
Kommunity Konversations in the same manner as this School Board does?
By that I mean in such confusion and in such muffled voices that can't be heard to the back of their small meeting room?
And we do have
Elk Konnected members on the School Board, don't we?
Perhaps the
Konnected Board Member that was so boisterous at a County Commissioner's meeting about other volunteering, could volunteer to address the school board about proper protocol such as facing the audience and speaking loudly and clearly?
Let's wait and see how far volunteerism goes with the
Elk Konnected folks, shall we?
Well yesterdays County Commissioners Meeting was quite interesting, you will be learning some interesting information over the next couple of days.
One thing, I'm sure you should appreciate is that Commissioner Ritz moved to set aside $420, 000 of the wind farm monies to offset next years taxes like they did for this years taxes. I believe I have the dollar amount right! At any rate the motion was seconded and passed.
The County Commissioners were addressed by another NGO --- Non Governmental Organization and that turned into a heated discussion. I'm not going to go into that at this time because, I don't have the time right now and I want to do a little research on the organization. I believe it's that Flint Hills group that Elk Konnected introduced us to at a Meeting in Grenola about a year ago at a Kommunity Konversation.
If I remember correctly that meeting was suppose to be about the Flint Hills but when we got to the meeting they made it clear that they knew absolutely nothing about the Flint Hills. And to me it appeared to be a training meeting for some newbie's in the business, so they could practice manipulation on a live audience, and nothing more.
But what the heck, I've learned, I am now no more than a social idiot, and you might be one too! LOL, more on that later.
I was very happy being a proud redneck now it seems, I have this new title, really funny in my opinion. Perhaps, because, I got no edumaction and I ain't no dumbass elite. So, I'm happy with it. I don't mind someone calling me names, it just means they may not be doing it to someone else.
I mean when someone gets an edumaction as a veterinarian and lacks the entrepreneurial skills to run his own business and goes to work outside of his educated field for someone else, you would think they would have a better understanding of the economy in Elk County. However, his association with an NGO that at one time advocated paying college tuitions for kid's out of the wind farm money, if they would return to Elk County as entrepreneurs, just doesn't make any sense now, does it?
On the other hand, I don't see anyone singing the praise of a veterinarian that did exactly that. That of being entrepreneurial and starting a Veterinarian from the ground up, right here in Moline, Elk County, Kansas. I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm pretty proud of her. She gets my business.
I never once heard of or seen her ask for help, as with her hand out looking for a hand out as others have. I happen to know she is a hard worked and applies her education well. She is my preferred vet.
As far as those that have a lot of pleasure in having their hand out for what they call donations, to accomplish things for their own special needs perhaps some of you can help out this poor guy: http://www.gofundme.com/1nv62w
Seriously, won't you sign on and give him a couple of dollars!
He is trying to raise $1200 and has only raised $150, and I understand the boy in the picture named Tim is his son, I don't know that for a fact but I heard a rumor to that fact.
Oh durn, I'm sorry, I just tried to donate and I got a message "The campaign deadline has been reached."
And I couldn't donate.
Bummer isn't it?
Didn't get to the $1200 goal.
If you try posting it again, I bet them Elk Konnected folks can be persuaded to volunteer to donate $20 each.
Now you will have to hurry to see that cute little boy, before the web page is removed.
Just post the new link here on the forum so your friends can find it.
For all you folks that think non profit NGO's (Non Governmental Organizations) and Foundations are always a good thing, please take at the good works of this one:
nhttp://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/14/eugenics-today-how-vaccines-are-used-to-sterilize-the-masses/
Just my opinion, take it or leave it, if you please.
More later when I have more time.
TTFN
I need some help, I guess!
Has anyone been able to find the video of the public meeting with the three school board members about building the extensions onto West Elk. We paid good tax money for that recording and they told me they would be posting it during the Christmas Break.
Has anyone else seen the video and if so would you please post a link to it, here on this site? Thanks a lot!
Same thing about the School Board Policies or by-laws, I can't find that posting either. The District Office said they would have it posted after the Christmas Break.
I know it only takes a couple of clicks to post on a web site, so what's the problem?
Is it incompetence run amok in the District Office?
Is it a lack of ability to get the job done?
Or is it lying or hiding something or covering up something or what?
Is it a lack of competent leadership in the district office?
Or is it possibly a lack of competent leadership in the School Board?
How many excuses can we expect to hear about the reasons for providing public information to the public and the taxpayers.
Yes, we do have a right and a responsibility to question the actions or lack of actions by our elected officials and the public employees we pay with our hard earned tax dollars! And that is a fact whether those that we elect or employee like it or not. Those persons paid by your tax dollar work for you the tax payer, that includes the School Superintendent, the School Principal and each and every teacher.
Therefore, yes, we should expect and receive excellent service, not mediocre service, nor excuses.
County Commissioners Meeting Monday January 13th 2014.
There was a discussion with another yet another NGO - Non Governmental Organization wanting to work on us in Elk County, called the Flint Hills Frontiers, not entirely different than our very own Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Squares Communities, INC, or any other NGO, in my opinion.
The man said Flint Hills Frontiers got started about a year and a half ago. I believe that! From looking at their web site and the very few members they have. I find that to be much like most of the bunches of NGO's popping up all over the country. And by country, I mean the US of A. To me they all seem to have a lot in common, they All appear to be using the term I first learned of by reading the United Nations Article 21 which is the word "Sustainability"
The Flint Hills Frontiers project has "hit the road" with roadshow
http://flinthillsfrontiers.org/ https://www.facebook.com/FlintHillsFrontiers
As part of a Preferred Sustainability Status Community
We were a part of that road show.
Most people that spoke up during the conversation opposed the mans ideaswith the exception of Commissioner Liebau who happens to have made clear during previous Commissioners meetings that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC our very own NGO and one other person in the audience, who I can only assume to has the very same affiliation. In my opinion Commissioner Liebau got terribly upset that people were opposed to this idea. He claimed we need to be a part of it so these people could represent us in legislation. That to me is a strange idea since it by itself is such a new and small organization. Why push so hard for something you don't know anything about, unless you are with holding information? Why make accusations against someone asking simple questions that they are claiming a conspiracy and to do so with so much anger? That brings me to the question, does Elk Konnected, LLC already have an affiliation with the Flint Hills Frontiers project?
Staff
Meet our staff
Gary Stith, Associate Planner
Jeff Adams, Regional Planner
Unique Hiram, Administrative Manager
Stephanie Watts, Transportation Planner
William J. Clark, Executive Director
(Do you reckon they work for free, or perhaps take a 6 figure salary, which is most likely provided by government grants that orignate from federal taxation? Or do they volunteer full tme? More on this down the page.)
The gentleman that spoke to the County Commission lives in a city in Kentucky, but claims expertise in rural living in the Flint Hills. He claimed to understand the declining population in our rural area and our declining economy. He claimed their goal is to turn the economy around. I suggested he would be able to do that best by turning the national economy around.
But really folks do we have an industrial park anywhere in Elk County where a business of any size could build and bring jobs to Elk County? Do you suppose the elite of Elk County want that kind of competition? Do you want a massively expanding population in Elk County?
Why did the business, that only provide a service and hired very few people choose to leave Elk County? Well an old timer told me that the case in Moline was due to major fires on each side of town, of course in different years. What happened? Well as he led me to believe, it appears those merchants chose not to rebuild and took their insurance and left, doesn't it? Why? Weren't some of those merchants born and raised here? Could it have perhaps been because of some attitudes at the time? Why not rebuild and keep going? Those are the questions that would require honest answers.
To be perfectly honest with you I chose this area to retire too, because it is rural and most everyone is friendly. There are exceptions to everything and I think there seem to be an elite attitude that sux. But, I can live with that, it is something that is every where a person might choose to live.
While exploring the Flint Hills Frontiers web site I clicked on some words that opened another web site. And durn it, I can not find that link again. But the web site was http://newamericanspring.org/index.htm which to appears to be a very, very large NGO. New American Spring evolved out of a unique take on the Occupy Wall Street movement in the United States, this statement was copied and pasted right from their web site under their history. I am trying to figure out the connection between the NGO's. Because, I am curious who or what is working to get Elk County involved. I'd appreciate it if anyone else is curious I would appreciate their input if they find anything.
Under the New American Spring membership they state:
New American Spring is desirous of membership on all of the following levels:
http://newamericanspring.org/membership.htm
Under their Area Organizerspage they state:
New American Spring is looking for Area Organizers throughout the US:
(And get a load of the benefits)
Benefits: These positions are voluntary until New American Spring has recruited appropriate start-up funding. Even prior to salary offerings, these positons may receive Americorps designation...
(there you go, living off the tax payers of America. These types of organizations operate off of taxpayer dollars, while our military is faced with wage cuts and benefits cuts. Good job, huh! Do you believe the top of these NGO's don't pay themselves big pay checks from those tax dollars. My guess is the big ones get paid better than a 6 figure paychecks each month.)
Apparently their slogan is:
Revolution of Vision!
Evolution of World...
(Does this mean their visionaries have new and better visions than our local visionaries?)
Preferred Sustainability Status Community, United Nations Article 21 talk, as I see it.
Staff
Meet our staff
Gary Stith, Associate Planner
Jeff Adams, Regional Planner
Unique Hiram, Administrative Manager
Stephanie Watts, Transportation Planner
William J. Clark, Executive Director
Commissioner Liebau asked me during the Commissioners meeting, if I knew what volunteering is, and I said I sure do. I replied, I don't want to volunteer my tax dollars to ths organization.
Do you suppose folks that are Managers, Directors, Planners with fancy titles work for free, so there goes the volunteer theory doesn't it?
I wonder what the local NGO's pay their operators?
In my opinion all these NGO's do a lot more than we know or understand, and would not appreciate in much the same way as our federal government.
There are so many NGO's and some rather large which in may opinion makes them dangerous, because we are kept in the dark about their complete operation. They don't have open book policy's they and tell us what they want us to believe. Otherwise why do they get upset when questioned or refuse to answer?
Just something to think about, something to wonder, something to discuss, something to question, Nothing more.
Well, I finally found the video of the Public Meeting with members of the only three of the School Board Members.
As the School Superintendent stated the School Board Meetings are open to the public and you can attend and here what they are talking about. Maybe you can here, I have a have a hearing problem even when I turn my hearing aids all the way up and I have asked them to speak up to no avail. I have talked to other people that have attended the meetings that don't have hearing problems and they have problems hearing what is said.
But mind you, this public meeting was suppose to be, so people could address the School Board Members!
But just like at the School Board Meetings, the School Superintendent dominates this public forum with the School Board Members. Are the School Board Members incapable of communicating their supposedly own plans? Just asking?
Here is that video
Published on YouTube on Jan 13, 2014
Community Conversation held on December 17th, 2013 at West Elk:
Well, now that you have had a chance to see the video of the School Board attempt at selling you on a new grade school building built piece meal what do you think?
Do they really want ( I didn't say need) all those extensions built on the school for the purpose of education?
If that is true, why spread it out over ten years as the Superintendent said?
Their architect/salesman told them that spreading it out over ten years would cost them considerably more due to inflation and higher interest rates. Makes good sense. But if they build their gymnasium first for sports enhancement they would be okay right? Then they could decide they can't afford to build the rest, right?
If that is true, why so concerned about the contract with the church next door to utilize their building as a gymnasium? Because that is what all this is about isn't it? Sports that is!
He spoke of security and safety of the children getting to and from the portable buildings, so where is the concern for the security and safety of the children traversing the distance and leaving school property between the School and the Church?
Speaking of safety of the children, when I took the tour of the school with the School Principal, she informed me that she was concerned about the smaller children sharing the gym with the larger children! She said they have had smaller children get
hurt by balls from the other end of the court. So, why not take protective measures and put up the
safety net that separates the court across middle of the court? Or is that a safety device that is not needed? The Superintendent did state that they would have to install a safety net to protect the churches equipment, didn't he? So is the churches equipment more important to protects than the school children? As far as the walkway to and from the school, the land the School Board would want to improve is on Church Property, do you make improvements to your neighbors property? That would be the responsibility of the land owner, or as our landlord who would be getting paid $1000 a month of taxpayers dollars, wouldn't it?
But, I believe with
Konnected Board Members, who want to be so
liberal with our tax dollars, you know other peoples money, they don't really care, what do you think?
You heard the School Superintendent say that the Moline Grade School would have to be brought up to new state standards in order to be used again, right? So, I ask you, do you think you rather pay 5 or 6 million dollars plus massive interest on the loan to have the class rooms they claim they need, and ten years to build or bring the fully built Moline Grade School up to snuff for a whole lot less money? Plus, they get the gymnasium they need for the grade school children? Where is the critical thinking, they want to teach the children? Critical Thinking consists mainly of asking questions? Where is that? You can't find solutions to problems without asking the questions, now can you?
The Superintendent spoke of the biased survey they mailed out.
Biased in what way?
Well, they didn't give anyone a choice to say NO, did they?
When asked about the results, he didn't tell you what he said at a school board meeting,
I wonder why?
No, I know why, think about it.
He said people didn't seem to understand the survey!
People gave the same number to each option when they were supposed to mark them numerically in the order of importance to them?
Did the Superintendent provide any statistics about the tabulated results? NO!
They wrote the survey in a fashion that provides an appearance that the voters have no choice but to accept their demands, didn't they?
Not just a little bit biased is it?
The School Superintendent referenced the extra time, I believe he said 4 minutes extra time to commute to Moline for the children, way up there in the North East part of the county as if it were a hardship, didn't he? I believe the ride would perhaps actually add another ten minutes. But when addressing the children they pick up from the far South West part of the county, did you hear any concern about the extra length of their commute by bus? No, not one word! Think about that, personal, I think it is a much longer commute. No bias from the School Superintendent on this subject is there? That is another point of Critical Thinking, dealing with your personal prejudices! Everyone has personal prejudices, including me!
The Superintendent made the remark that the state uses
Smoke and Mirrors, yes he did, go back and listen to the video if you don't believe me. Well, folks this in my opinion is the same thing he is doing Simply by
omission of details.
The Superintendent said the School Board Members were volunteers, no they are elected officials that voted during a School Board Meeting to hold this meeting to sell their goods to the public. They also agreed with the Superintendent to have only three Board Members to be there on the stage to prevent having an actual School Board quorum to prevent having to have it on the record.
Smoke and Mirrors? You decide!
The Superintendent talked about 40-50 students per room possibilities? Think about it folks, how many decades ago did that happen? 4 or maybe 5 decades ago? So why throw in confusing numbers? More
Smoke and Mirrors isn't it?
There was some discussion about the roof leaking and the air conditioners having problems. Why has the School Board created a crisis? What constitutes a crisis, Virtually any scenario can range from having trivial to extreme impacts, depending on circumstances.
The School Board was advised months ago on this subject via an efficiency study provided by the Emporia State University, I have to assume our employee, the School Superintendent provided a copy of the study to the School Board, anyway I
quote from that study:
"It is recommended the district evaluate the cost of scheduling the repairs to the roof and roof top units over several years as compared to making the repairs at one time and deplete funds at one time.
Impact: This would allow the district to become proactive in scheduling repairs. The
real savings could be in scheduling smaller areas for repairs and not expending all your
funds at one time." End quote.
Folks this is just plain common sense and common maintenance practice.
The School Superintendent alluded to the possibility that other school districts in Elk County are having financial problems and may be forced to close. Why didn't he tell you what he said at the school board meetings? As I recall he spoke of Elk Valley USD 283 in Longton. He stated if the Elk Valley USD 282 closed the kids could be spit between several other districts. Some could go to Sedan, some to Fredonia and some to Independence and some to West Elk USD 283. So anyway, folks if that did happen there would be the possibility of maybe 25 more kids a West Elk. That is unless the State with all their Smoke and Mirrors the School Superintendent alluded to mandates all the kids were to attend school in Fredonia or Independence, right? Meaning West Elk might not get any of the kids. No Critical Thinking here School Board is there?
But all in all it still leaves us with luxury class rooms as the architect/sales man called them and a building built to handle 600 students with only 300 permanently enrolled students and 40 new students that may only be temporary, because they are from a different school district. Remember the busing controversy, how many miles are these kids bussed? As Hillary said, What does it matter ?
Did you think the School Board Members even appear to be informed and ready to be addressed by the public?
What did you hear that was impressive from the School Board Members at this
Public Kommunity Konversation?
Folks have you noticed there is still no rebuttals, no responses, no answers to what you have been reading here?
Are the elite speechless?
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Lets just say "NO" to the Smoke and Mirrors shall we ?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
The following notes were copied and pasted from the following study performed with the approval of the West Elk School Board.
Performed by people educated in this particular area of expertise.
Has the West Elk School Board even paid attention?
Did they pay any special attention to the section on Protocol?
You decide!
Why do they continue with the very Smoke and Mirrors, the Superintendent spoke of concerning the State? Why should we listen to jibber-jabber and poppycock?
It would seem to me that educated people would listen to people educated in this particular area of expertise. But you decide for your self, please!
Effectiveness & EFFICIENCY School Reviews
Prepared for the
Board of Education
West Elk
Unified School District #282 March 2012
Center for innovative leadership
Emporia State Universe, Fort Hays State Universe, Pittsburg State Universe
West Elk School District currently employs 119.9 employees, including 47.9 certified teaching and administrative staff.
In
2010-2011 the average teacher's salary was
$50,025. This compares to an average of $48,865 in region schools, $46,359 among peer schools, and a statewide average of $48,974.
=================================================================[My note: The median income for a household in the county was $27,267, and the median income for a family was $34,148. Males had a median income of $28,580 versus
$16,219 for females. The per capita income for the county was $16,066. About 9.20% of families and 13.80% of the population were below the poverty line, including 18.80% of those under age 18 and 15.00% of those age 65 or over] From Wikipedia
==================================================================Food Service 1. It is recommended the district phase in a plan to increase lunch cost or decrease costs over a years. The district has transferred up to 30% f rom the General Funds and needs to
increase lunch fees of decrease costs.
Impact: This would save the district up to $30,000 a year.
Transportation It is recommended the district evaluate each of the bus routes to determine ways of
decreasing routes and buses. This would also include evaluating the number of stops in towns and ways to save time on routes. The district has been unable to reduce the number of buses or routes because of the distances buses travel. The district will have lost approximately 30% of their students in a period of a few years and need to find ways decrease costs per students.
Impact: This would enable the transportation department to develop a plan to reduce
routes and save money without extending the routes to unrealistic times. The savings
could be $10,000 to $20,000 a year.
Evaluation and Supervision It is recommended the district regularly review, make revisions, and share classified job descriptions with all classified staff. Some job descriptions provided did not have evidence of a last review. Those that did ranged from an adoption date of 1998 to 2011.
Impact: This would promote improved communication and convey to classified staff
their roles are as important to the mission of the district as licensed staff. Some classified
staff reported either not receiving job descriptions, or the nature of their assignment
having changed and the job description was no longer accurate. A good method for
maintaining accurate job descriptions is to require an automatic review prior to posting an
open position.
Salary, Wages, and Benefits It is recommended the district analyze the exact costs of the special education
paraprofessional program. The number of special education paraprofessionals employed by
USD 282 on behalf of the Howard USD 282, Chautauqua and Elk County Special Education
Services Cooperative appears to be significantly higher than two comparison small special
education cooperatives.
Impact: This would potential save the district money. The financial savings are difficult
to calculate without information on the specific salaries paid to those employed as special
education paraprofessionals.
Leadership
Administrative Team It is recommended the district provide a board meeting written re-cap to the staff and
"Friday" notes to the board need to be implemented on a regular and consistent basis. The
team should write a weekly article about school events in the Prairie Star newspaper.
Effectiveness & Efficiency School Review West Elk USD #282 Impact: This would provide patrons and staff with factual information allowing them to
converse with interested parties in the school community.
Board of Education 1. It is recommended the district consider certain policy revisions in the areas of Board of Education Code of Conduct, including the chain of command, board meeting agenda format and meeting protocol. Any change in policy should be developed by a committee of appropriate members, communicated in multiple formats and provided with professional development as needed.
Impact: This would allow everyone in the school community an opportunity to better
understand the practices used to manage the school system.
2. It is recommended the district reconsider the current generic job descriptions for the
superintendent and principal.
Impact: This would allow both professionals to better understand what the
expectation of the board is for each respective leadership role.
Teaching & Learning
Curriculum, Instruction, and Assessment 1. It is recommended the district use a systemic process to analyze district assessment data that includes teachers. Whatever process chosen can then be extended to use for all staff for data analysis work during curriculum alignment work.
Impact: This would support understanding of data analysis and increased usage of data
driven decision making by staff. It would also provide a common language to be used
during expected collaboration efforts between all staff, K-12.
Staff Development It is recommended the district consider MTSS (Multi -Tiered System of Supports) building wide.
Impact: This would provide a continuum of interventions that would meet the needs of
students. It would be beneficial to students if a plan for interventions was immediately
available to address their learning needs. The process of implementing MTSS at all
levels would streamline the process building wide.
Opportunities for Improvement / Recommendations from Students: 35% of responding students said too much emphasis is placed on extracurricular programs. The EPDM roof and the rooftop HVAC Units were all installed at the same time and are being schedules to replace all at once for approximately $750,000.
EPDM roof
is in very good shape no visible signs of any major problems.
•
The work order system is very informal.
Energy Management
• An energy audit was conducted two (2) years ago.
• Lighting has been retrofitted to save energy.
• Rooftop units
can be set to activate setback thermostats
•
No specific energy conservations plan in effect.
OPPORTUNITIES FOR IMPROVEMENT / RECOMMENDATIONS: It is recommended the district evaluate the cost and advantage of any repairs to the rubber roof and the seams to determine if making repairs would extend the life of the roof and allow longer time frame to make any replacements.
Impact: This would extend the roof life and
conserve funds for a period of time when an
exact replacement schedule could be developed. Instead of $750,000 expenditure at one time the district could make repairs and
conserve funds.
It is recommended the district evaluate the cost of scheduling the repairs to the roof and roof top units
over several years as compared to making the repairs at one time and deplete funds at one time.
Impact: This would allow the district to become proactive in scheduling repairs. The real
savings could be in scheduling smaller areas for repairs and not expending all your funds at one time.
Transportation
It is recommended the district evaluate each of the bus routes to determine ways of decreasing
routes and buses. This would also include evaluating the number of stops in towns and ways to
save time on routes. The district has been unable to reduce the number of buses or routes because
of the distances buses travel. The district will have lost approximately 30% of their students in a
period of a few years and need to find ways decrease costs per students.
Impact: This would enable the transportation department to develop a plan to reduce routes
and save money without extending the routes to unrealistic times. The savings could be
$10,000 to $20,000 a year [My note: I would suggest log books that would require mileage be logged at each time the vehicle is started and stopped and a digital record be kept for analysis. Also a daily safety check off inspection form on each bus. Just like the big boys do. And stop providing free bus transportation to special groups for out of town groups. If they want to be Boosters fine, but stop boosting benefits for your self which takes away from the taxpayer and students. You should be ashamed of your self in my opinion.]
==================================================================I feel the need to include this extra note about Elk County's population. Because some politician's act as he if though the declining population is something new. This chart should clarify that it is not and could be utilized to figure what may have happened over the decades.
With all the talk about population, check out the statics:
1880 10,623
1890 12,216 15.0%
1900 11,443 −6.3%
1910 10,128 −11.5%
1920 9,034 −10.8%
1930 9,210 1.9%
1940 8,180 −11.2%
1950 6,679 −18.3%
1960 5,048 −24.4%
1970 3,858 −23.6%
1980 3,918 1.6%
1990 3,327 15.1%
2000 3,261 −2.0%
2010 2,882 −11.6%
Est. 2012 2,720
=================================================================
I have just up loaded some new files to Box.com that perhaps some of you might find interesting and useful. Check out the folder named West Elk 2013-2014. https://app.box.com/files#
Which contains Bus Emergency Information from the state and the Kansas Educational Consolidated Directory and just a couple of 2014 statistics I found interesting and a letter from the West Elk Superintendent.
I have also uploaded Kansas School Board Statue. Kansas School Bullying Statue, interesting information as reported to the State about West Elk.
Or a use this direct link to the individual files: https://app.box.com/files/0/f/1480205393/West_Elk_2013-2014.
I hope every one has a great weekend, it's sounds like a beautiful one is going to happen.
How far are we going to allow the abuses by government officials whether they be federal, state or local?
How long do we allow the abuses of them by NGO's.
How soon will this come to Kansas?
We are constantly bombarded with sales gimmick's. Like the massive sales job by Bill Gates that computers need to be in the class room for kids to learn, he even provided computers to get ourr school systems hooked on the idea. Just like a drug dealer, provide enough to hook someone then start selling to them at great profits. Really a simple thing to do, get most people hooked for big profits, ho matter how educated they are.
NY State Senator Says: Psych Eval For All Little Children
Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:03
by Jon Rappoport
It's Senate Bill A8186-2013.
It's been referred to the education committee twice, most recently a week ago. NY State Senator Margaret Markey (wikipedia) introduced it in 2013.
Previously, Markey won a few minutes of fame for introducing a bill that would stop all restaurants from using salt in their meals.
A8186 requires all public schoolchildren in NY to have two health examinations in elementary grades and two in secondary grades. These exams must include a psychological evaluation, which certifies "that the child is mentally fit to permit attendance at [public] school."
No certificate, no school.Aside from the fact that this psych exam is invasive and potentially disturbing to a child as young as five, and aside from the fact that it violates privacy considerations, it's bogus down to its core, because psychology isn't a science and never was.
Psychology is, to put it politely, a bunch of morons deciding what mental health is all about.
Using high-sounding terminology, these professionals label patients with conditions, none of which are based on defining physical tests. No blood, urine, or saliva tests. No genetic tests. No brain scans.
"Mental health" itself is a linguistic artifact, and bears no relation to life, energy, curiosity, creativity. It's a phantasmagorical standard, designed to draw in patients.
Attaching psychologists to schools is about as useful as attaching barnacles and mold to a ship.
Historically, as the concept of sin weakened its hold on the population, "new scientists" stepped into the breach with categories of "mental disorders."
"You're not bad, you're ill."
Here's the sticking point. Psychologists aren't entirely stupid. They rely on mental-disorder labels that, to a certain extent, mirror human behavior. For example, a child who is sad and lonely is slapped with a diagnosis of "clinical depression."
The fact is, the child is lonely and sad, and the possible reasons are many. But none of them implies a Condition called clinical depression. There is no Condition.
Researchers, allied with pharmaceutical interests, have trotted out a catch-all term to explain so-called mental disorders: "chemical imbalance" in the brain. The drug companies then supply the drugs that are said to correct the imbalance. Profits soar.
This is non-scientific lying compounded. Researchers have never proved there is a normal baseline for brain chemistry. How then could they have established what an imbalance is?
Can a child have problems? Can he be in trouble? Can he be trouble to other children? Of course. Any reasonably intelligent adult can spot these things. But again, this has nothing to do with a Condition.
And a psych eval conducted by a psychologist on a five-year old, to determine whether the child will be allowed to go to school? Absurd.
You would be much closer to the truth saying a psychologist who is part of that system is crazy, than saying a little boy or girl has a Condition.
So what's going on with politicians who are trying to impose psychology and psychiatry on children (and adults)? Most politicians are merely ill-informed, and they're putting their faith in this pseudoscience in the same way that people put their faith in a self-appointed priest class that claims it is the worshiper's only connection to God.
Politicians, of course, always look for answers that make government larger and more intrusive, because it is government to which a politician is ultimately loyal.
But there are other political animals who are more aware. They understand that the real issue is control. They want to be able to hijack freedom and place populations under the gun.
They want the right to say a dissident, a rebel, an outsider, a critic, someone "who is different" is a threat. And they want to back that up with treatment. Which means re-education, indoctrination, and debilitating drugs.
A kinder, gentler face on the old Soviet psychiatric system.
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/01/ny-state-senator-says-psych-eval-for-all-little-children-2-2877582.html
Folks, I feel a need to clarify myself about how I feel about asking for donations, as being the same thing as begging.
While asking for money in the form of donations is the same thing in my opinion, as just being a beggar.
We have very small activities that take place here in Elk County such as the Longton and Moline community festivals where a jar may be set out for goodwill donations, which I feel is very acceptable.
Why?
Because, they do not ask verbally or stipulate how much your goodwill donation should be.
Another reason they are acceptable, because the donations and because the goodwill donations are used to keep the local activity going, for all that want to attend.
NGO's on the other hand, beg for or demand handouts in specific amounts from local governments --- the taxpayers and then attempt to manipulate the local governments. Nor do they offer any solutions or answers to honest questions.
Most anything else, especially demands for specific amounts of money and for it to be paid annually, so they have money to pay their Presidents and Executives.
I sure hope I have made myself clear on this issue.
I do donate to the local activities that provide a meal and request a freewill donation by placing a jar for such donations. I hope you understand.
Satire, Sarcasm, Humor
Or Just Plain
Smart Ass
Or just for fun writing, call it what you will!
As I see it our nation is riddled with Non-Governmental an Non- Profit Organizations sucking the life out of our Governments through the us of Federal and State Grants – FREE Money – Taxpayers Money, This is Money that could pay down our National and State Debts!
I recently spoke with a man from an NGO and I asked him if his Organization had power to accomplish anything without the Governments and his reply was, "NO". And I was immediately accused of being told I was pointing out a Conspiracy! Why the name calling? It's called Bullying and it is a way to try to shut someone up! That seems to me to be an approved method used by NGO's!
Also on the local scene it appears a major factor to run for office appears to be, "I was born and raised here." Even by those that may have left for years and came back. I just don't understand that as a qualifying factor, do you?
What about those people you vote for in state government, were they born and raised here in Elk County? If not then why vote for them?
Sarcasm Starts Now!
So Now
I'm Thinking Sarcastically
That We Should Organize A
Redneck NGO
By forming this
Redneck Organization perhaps we can benefit from Government hand outs just by begging for them. I mean Grants to improve whatever! Instead of the government actually putting the money to use lowering our country's debt or supplying terrorist organizations they can enrich a few good
Rednecks! Right? Right!
Let's start now by gathering 7 people together to have a Board of Governors. So we can develop Redneck's policy's.
Volunteers for the Board of Governors, here after Know as the
BOG should be residents that have chosen to make Elk County their home by re-locating here. No people born and raised here shall be on the
BOG.
This
BOG will then be empowered to recruit like minded
Rednecks, by virtue of being certified as Rednecks.
This certification will thus provide Accreditation to our
Redneck Organization,NGO.
The
BOG will be commissioned to appoint three
Rednecks as President, Chief Executive Officer, and Chief Financial Officer as designated by me. Of course they will assign me as President. They will also be commissioned to approve the salaries for the above mentioned positions as expressed by the President of the
Redneck Organization, NGO! All others members will be shall volunteers. Volunteers preferably will be of the born and raised here group!
The
BOG shall also appoint volunteers to head up, whatever Action Groups they wish.
The first Action Group should be the Outhouse Action Group, from here on know as
OAG, designated with the clean up of outhouses in the
OAG community. First point of business shall be to find volunteers for this shitty job. No studies are to be performed; no solutions to problems shall be discussed nor disclosed. However any pooh collected shall be stored for non-designated future investment!
There shall be no geographical or geopolitical designation of what the
Redneck neighborhood is! Hush now!
However, if any
Redneck agrees to the aforementioned BS, the
Redneck Organization, NGO shall immediately be abandoned.
Because
Rednecks get the job done right through self motivation and innovation! Thank you!
This NGO, Organization of
Rednecks and its
BOG is here by null and void and dissolved due to the fact that a
Redneck wanted to join which signifies compliance to the written agreements above. A big NO-NO.
THE END
To Meet All Ends.
LOL
I'm headed outside to a beautiful warm and sunshiny December afternoon here in Beautiful Elk County.
I sincerely hope all of you can do the same. Bye-bye.
I feel, I am going out on a limb here, but you can cut that limb if you so desire,
You have the button or buttons necessary to do just that right there on your key board.
How far are we going to allow the abuses by government officials whether they be federal, state or local?
How long do we allow the abuses of all the various NGO's.
We are constantly bombarded with sales gimmick's. Like the massive sales job by Bill Gates that computers need to be in the class room for kids to learn, he even provided computers to get our school systems hooked on the idea. Freebies are great, but only as long as they last. Just like a drug dealer, provide enough to hook someone then start selling to them at great profits. Really, a simple thing to do to get the most people hooked for big profits, The educated folks appear to be the the easiest to manipulate. No matter how educated they are, they have to pretend they understand the twisted words and ideas as intelligence, so as not to be labeled by their peers as ignorant. Now that has got to be a serious mental problem of some kind, LOL.
There are major assumptions upon which scams are constructed. They don't prove their point, they don't back it up with anything – they know many people will blindly accept what is presented to them. Only thoughtful people examine assumptions.
Yes, you can become a "thoughtful person" if you will start examining what you are told. Ask the questions? Demand answers, and do not accept misdirection. Critical Thinking only comes about by asking the easy questions that people either refuse to answer or are unable to answer intelligently.
I'm trying, I'm practicing!
I have posted a couple of audios, the audios (an MP3 format) are conversations that were recorded at the January Elk County Commissioners Meeting, for your benefit of knowledge.
Click here: I feel I am going out on a limb here, but you can cut that limb if you so desire,
You have the button or buttons necessary to do just that right there on your key board.
How far are we going to allow the abuses by government officials whether they be federal, state or local?
How long do we allow the abuses of all the various NGO's.
We are constantly bombarded with sales gimmick's. Like the massive sales job by Bill Gates that computers need to be in the class room for kids to learn, he even provided computers to get our school systems hooked on the idea. Freebies are great, but only as long as they last. Just like a drug dealer, provide enough to hook someone then start selling to them at great profits. Really, a simple thing to do to get the most people hooked for big profits, The educated folks appear to be the the easiest to manipulate. No matter how educated they are, they have to pretend they understand the twisted words and ideas as intelligence, so as not to be labeled by their peers as ignorant. Now that has got to be a serious mental problem of some kind, LOL.
There are major assumptions upon which scams are constructed. They don't prove their point, they don't back it up with anything – they know many people will blindly accept what is presented to them. Only thoughtful people examine assumptions.
Yes, you can become a "thoughtful person" if you will start examining what you are told. Ask the questions? Demand answers, and do not accept misdirection. Critical Thinking only comes about by asking the easy questions that people either refuse to answer or are unable to answer intelligently.
I'm trying, I'm practicing!
I have posted a couple of audios, the audios (an MP3 format) are conversations that were recorded at the January Elk County Commissioners Meeting, for your benefit of knowledge. Please read the note first.
Click here: https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51 for the recordings.
Make of them, what you will.
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Would some one who has listened to the audios at https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
tell me if they are working properly for you and if they are loud enough. Thanks.
Loud enough to clearly hear that the 'elites' think members of our community are "boobs" and "unsociable idiots". Nice talk coming from a man who receives taxpayer money to support his newsrag! Of course there are other elites (even elected ones) who chat back and forth about the CAVE people in Elk county... or are busy telling the 'lowly' folks to shut up.
Of course, none of this is surprising. These attitudes are prevalent throughout the Progressive movement. It's the way of those who know best how to run the lives of everyone around them... form Washington, D.C. right down to lil ole Elk County.
Quote from: ROSS on January 19, 2014, 01:13:21 PM
Satire, Sarcasm, Humor
Or Just Plain
Smart Ass
Or just for fun writing, call it what you will!
As I see it our nation is riddled with Non-Governmental an Non- Profit Organizations sucking the life out of our Governments through the us of Federal and State Grants – FREE Money – Taxpayers Money, This is Money that could pay down our National and State Debts!
I recently spoke with a man from an NGO and I asked him if his Organization had power to accomplish anything without the Governments and his reply was, "NO". And I was immediately accused of being told I was pointing out a Conspiracy! Why the name calling? It's called Bullying and it is a way to try to shut someone up! That seems to me to be an approved method used by NGO's!
Also on the local scene it appears a major factor to run for office appears to be, "I was born and raised here." Even by those that may have left for years and came back. I just don't understand that as a qualifying factor, do you?
What about those people you vote for in state government, were they born and raised here in Elk County? If not then why vote for them?
Sarcasm Starts Now!
So Now
I'm Thinking Sarcastically
That We Should Organize A
Redneck NGO
By forming this Redneck Organization perhaps we can benefit from Government hand outs just by begging for them. I mean Grants to improve whatever! Instead of the government actually putting the money to use lowering our country's debt or supplying terrorist organizations they can enrich a few good Rednecks! Right? Right!
Let's start now by gathering 7 people together to have a Board of Governors. So we can develop Redneck's policy's.
Volunteers for the Board of Governors, here after Know as the BOG should be residents that have chosen to make Elk County their home by re-locating here. No people born and raised here shall be on the BOG.
This BOG will then be empowered to recruit like minded Rednecks, by virtue of being certified as Rednecks.
This certification will thus provide Accreditation to our Redneck Organization,NGO.
The BOG will be commissioned to appoint three Rednecks as President, Chief Executive Officer, and Chief Financial Officer as designated by me. Of course they will assign me as President. They will also be commissioned to approve the salaries for the above mentioned positions as expressed by the President of the Redneck Organization, NGO! All others members will be shall volunteers. Volunteers preferably will be of the born and raised here group!
The BOG shall also appoint volunteers to head up, whatever Action Groups they wish.
The first Action Group should be the Outhouse Action Group, from here on know as OAG, designated with the clean up of outhouses in the OAG community. First point of business shall be to find volunteers for this shitty job. No studies are to be performed; no solutions to problems shall be discussed nor disclosed. However any pooh collected shall be stored for non-designated future investment!
There shall be no geographical or geopolitical designation of what the Redneck neighborhood is! Hush now!
However, if any Redneck agrees to the aforementioned BS, the Redneck Organization, NGO shall immediately be abandoned.
Because Rednecks get the job done right through self motivation and innovation! Thank you!
This NGO, Organization of Rednecks and its BOG is here by null and void and dissolved due to the fact that a Redneck wanted to join which signifies compliance to the written agreements above. A big NO-NO.
THE END
To Meet All Ends.
LOL
I'm headed outside to a beautiful warm and sunshiny December afternoon here in Beautiful Elk County.
I sincerely hope all of you can do the same. Bye-bye.
I must say that after listening to this MP3 of your Elk County - County Commissioners Meeting...
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51#/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51/1/1494160532/13269129198/1?&_suid=139042677418708269951865153905
...Are these people for real?? They sound like the Obuma Administration hard at work trying to screw someone without out checking into what the real story is on Rudy Taylor. It made about as much sense as this one, Ross:
Also, I like your idea on the REDNECK NGO thing. But wait... you need a good vice president. I would like to recommend our Bar Maid here at the 19 Hole, Bobbi Lou Sri:
(http://www.telugutalks.com/uploads/2f4f7b1deb3e25306d9e76ff280d8d51.PNG)
She would be excellent as your VP.
Warph,
I appologize if it is not understandable, but I did the best I could at the moment.
I wish, I had the printed e-mail, I'd post it.
I have a poor image, a picture of, but I really don't want to use it.
Maybe some one else has a copy and can post it.
It definitely wasn't a good e-mail.
And after reading Rudy's editorial in todays newspaper about social media (I consider e-mail as social media because of the way I use it) a person would think he would know better. At least that is my opinion.
The e-mail speaks for itself.
Thanks for putting this information from the meetings out here Ross. Some unbiased reporting for a change.
Hi Bullwinkle,
Thanks for the vote of confidence, that is much appreciated.I've said it before and I'll say it again!
When I started this thread all I knew was that I felt something was very wrong.
I didn't have any idea what was wrong or how bad.
Well, I feel this e-mail explains a whole lot.
The e-mail was started by Rudy who told me in the past that he was affiliated with
Elk Konnected, LLC and it was addressed to a person who was an Elk County Employee at the time and was using a county cell phone and a county e-mail account. That makes the e-mail public property and public information.
Jennifer Montgomery was our Elk County Economic Development and Elk County Youth Development Employee while also being affiliated with
Elk Konnected, LLC.
Rudy also expressed speaking with Liz in the e-mail and I can only assume that would be the Liz that claimed to have founded
Elk Konnected, LLC. If someone, knows differently please let me know. I'd appreciate it.
Well, Rudy stated in the e-mail that he would do an expose' only no one would understand it, especially two County Commissioners. I suppose he would be excluding the only County Commissioner that has praised
Elk Konnected, LLC from its conception at County Commissioners meetings.
I don't understand what he could do an expose' on!
But this e-mail we are discussing would be an excellent start, don't you think?
I wonder how Rudy's affiliation with
Elk Konnected, LLC is working out, since he said he doesn't come to Elk County like he use to!
I wonder if he has noticed
Elk Konnected, LLConly list 4 people on their steering committee today.
That would be: Jennifer Montgomery, Liz Hendricks, Tommie Barnaby and David Whetstone on the Steering Committee. That's all that's shown on their web site today.
Check it out for yourself at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/
I wonder if Rudy with his newspaper could tell us what is going with that!
Rudy use to write frequently about
Elk Konnected, LLC and today we never hear anything. Have I missed his articles on
Elk Konnected, LLC or something?
Rudy would tell us in your newspaper which of our School Board Members are affiliated with
Elk Konnected, LLC like you are? Or is that Secret information?
I do believe most taxpayers and voters would like to know?
Rudy also stated he couldn't do an expose' because, he depends on Elk County
taxpayers to pay his newspaper to print the County's legal news. Well, he came real close to losing that income, don't you think?
These are simply my own thoughts and opinions, nothing more.
If I have any of my information confused, please let me know, I'd like to make sure it is 100% right. Thanks!
You are also welcome to yell and shout at me if you wish.
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well. [/size]
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
I was asked to post the picture of this e-mail.
I sure wish I had a better copy for you.
Quote from: ROSS on January 26, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
I'm deaf but I heard and I listened.
Sure Rudy has a right to voice has a right to voice his opinion, but that is not what this is about.
This is about him using an Elk County Employee to back Stab the citizens of Elk County through a County email program.
He never expected the email to go public, I guess he must have figured taxpayer owned devices and emails are private and not public information. He need to reread his latest editorial on social media and apply that information to email and publicly owned equipment and email.
But it definitely I my opinion, show the continued workings and negative attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC .
Wake up, upoladeb:
1. Rudy has expressed his affiliation with Elk connected, LLC
2. He addressed the email to an Elk County Employee who has been a long time member
Of Elk Konnected, LLC and a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC
Steering Committee.
3. Rudy also brought in the Founding member and Steering Committee member of
Of Elk Konnected, LLC
Of course this is just my opinion and my opinion is made publicly, not privately on Government equipment and expected to be kept secret.
This was not expressing his opinion, this was back stabbing everyone in Elk County with the exception of what he might consider the elite.
Do you Mr. Upoladeb is this the kind of thing that you Elk Konnected, LLC FOLLOWERS believe to be a positive attitude?
Every where I have ever worked or ever been this type of action was referred to as back stabbing. How long has
While the elite in the majority of the country continue to call for more indebtedness Wisconsin has found an Elite that as some sense. It's rather simple --- just like the working man --- you don't go in debt over your head for what you don't need.
Wes Elk was designed to house and educate 600 students and only has 300 students. You don't need a 5 or 6 million dollar debt for piece meal construction for a larger building.
As we should all understand is the primary reason for school is for education not sports. Therefore we don't need to go in debt to fulfill someone's desire to build a professional sports arena at West Elk.
I do believe we have been well informed by the State of Kansas that the education standards of our schools have been lowered considerably over the last few decades. Shouldn't the school superintendent and the school aboard be addressing educational standards instead of building a Taj Mahal for Howard. Or don't they care about the best for the education of our children. There is plenty of room for improvement in the children's education. Is our Education System capable of stepping up to the plate with a positive attitude and positive actions towards a goal of improving education. It is a national problem but can we deal with the problem on the local level?
I think it would be nice to see Kansan's take the Positive steps of return to their conservative roots. Don't you?
Here is an excellent example of a state taking the Positive steps and returning to their conservative roots. I bet thy got tired of all the freeloading NGO's as well.
I think this is bad news to the liberals and NGO's that want to go into debt with taxpayers money frivolously!Media Blackout Over Wisconsin's Falling Unemployment and $912 million Budget Surplus
January 25, 2014 By 21wire
It's the message that Washington DC fears the most. What happens when Americans figure out that increased social spending and expansion of entitlements and their bureaucracies do not deliver prosperity, or a healthy economy?
Most states are hopelessly in debt – like a crack addict, they cannot say no to borrowed money and to new lines of credit. They take their cue from another helpless addict – their failing US federal government currently running $1 trillion in the hole per year, every year.
Wisconsin's Governor Scott Walker (R) has put his conservative economic policies into practice – and with stunning results, in what proponents are referring to as "A Blueprint for Prosperity".
"What do you do with a surplus?" he said. "Give it back to the people who earned it. It's your money."
"The state of Wisconsin's unemployment rate is "rapidly falling" and the government's budget ended the year with a $912 million surplus, Limbaugh explained. He says the dramatic turnaround is due in large part to the conservative policies of Gov. Scott Walker.
What's even more amazing, he continued, is the fact that Walker is going to "rebate the money in the form of tax cuts to the people, who he said own the money." Limbaugh says the news is "earth-shattering" because, in one of the bluest states, Walker was targeted for removal twice but continued to implement conservative policies that he was confident would help his state — and his strategy appears to be working.
"He's going to cut income taxes and property taxes, and he made the point that it's not just a gimmick of budgeting or accounting. It's the result of serious, significant policy changes".
... It was not reported on one cable network, much less all of them. It was not reported in the New York Times, the Washington Post, or the LA Times," he added. "It was reported in Wisconsin. There was an AP story on it, maybe some local papers picked it up, but just as a filler."
... Walker is proposing a $504 million property and income tax cut plan as a means to return some of the surplus money to the people of Wisconsin. Some Democrats and Republicans are already criticizing the plan and are calling for changes.
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/01/25/media-blackout-over-wisconsins-falling-unemplyment-and-912-million-budget-surplus/
I believe the taxpayers and voters of both Elk County and the West Elk School District are finally getting a good vision of the trickery happening both inside and outside Elk County.
So folks remember you have the power to change things for the positive.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
I'll be the first to admit. I don't know what I'm talking about because I don't have all the answers.
That is why I ask so many questions.
However I believe Rudy Taylor gave us a great view and great insight with his e-mail to an Elk County employee and on Elk County e-mail a his own newspaper e-mail which provides validation in my opinion.
Do you think he is a friend of Elk County?
By that I asking is he a friend all the citizens, taxpayers and voters and residents or only just a few who think they are special?
I'd really like to know your opinion.
Anyone capable of this kind of name calling has no business running a newspaper. Having an opinion is one thing, belittling other people with degrading epithets is the mark of a vengeful person.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 26, 2014, 10:31:04 AM
Anyone capable of this kind of name calling has no business running a newspaper. Having an opinion is one thing, belittling other people with degrading epithets is the mark of a vengeful person.
Amen to that Bullwinkle.
Quote from: ROSS on January 26, 2014, 10:51:41 AM
You hit the nail on the head Bullwinkle.
Upoladeb may I ask your definition of social idiots?
Perhaps some questions might help with your definition!
Try these questions:
Really who are social idiots?
Would possibly be People that call others names in a bullying way?
Would possibly be People that are unable to answer reasonable questions about their activities?
Would it possibly be People that lie?
Would it possibly be People that work in secrecy from the rest of their surrounding society?
Would it possibly be People that avoid the interest of people on this local forum, especially when they said they said they would utilize this forum to keep the people informed and then refuse to communicate openly and honestly?
Would it possibly be People that offer up to do an expose' in secret and then make excuses not to do it?
Doesn't this actually define social idiots?
Ross you need to start a new post unless you are vain.There is only 1 commissioner left that this was about.Some of you ought to figure out what 3000 peoples share of $900,000.00 would be and send the residents a check for what we've lost by the ugly wind farm being here.I know it hasn't lowered my taxes or fixed any of the roads in Oak Valley township,Kudos to the lady that stood up by her self to defend her local newpaper.And thank you Ross for being concerned and involved in our county.
Quote from: upoladeb on January 27, 2014, 07:06:26 AM
Ross you need to start a new post unless you are vain.There is only 1 commissioner left that this was about.Some of you ought to figure out what 3000 peoples share of $900,000.00 would be and send the residents a check for what we've lost by the ugly wind farm being here.I know it hasn't lowered my taxes or fixed any of the roads in Oak Valley township,Kudos to the lady that stood up by her self to defend her local newpaper.And thank you Ross for being concerned and involved in our county.
I must point out that if you look at your property tax for 2013 they were reduced by about 20% by our present County Commissioners and they have voted and approved a reduction for next year utilizing the wind farm money. I believe this is happening because as you pointed out, we only have one
Elk Konnected, LLC affiliated County Commissioner on the County Commissioners Board.
You mention 3000 people sharing the cost of $900,000 I don't know where you come up with $900,000 when the numbers mentioned at the school board meetings has been as high as $6 million.
And I think you are referring to the population of Elk County, the population of Elk County has fallen well below that figure! It has fallen below 2880! But, it is not the population as a whole that pays West Elk School property taxes. The number of property owners in the West Elk School District is far lower. I must apologize for not knowing the number of property owners in the West Elk School District but Perhaps someone can inform us of that number?
While on the other hand, and although I can not identify how many West Elk School Board Members are
Elk Konnected, LLC and that is because of what I perceive, as their secrecy, the West Elk School Board may very well be under the influence of
Elk Konnected, LLC. And I believe if you check your property tax paper work you will find that the West Elk School Board members have raised your property taxes.
Oh, and please give this some thought, if you vote to approve the monstrosity of all those building extensions --- that will increase your property tax even more. And you can bet that will mean even more tax increases yearly for more and more maintenance costs and probably more maintenance personnel. And there is so much more involved if
Critical Thinking is engaged.
I don't believe, I need to start a new thread just because, you believe this thread was about just County Commissioners! And this is definitely not about vanity; I make far too many mistakes to be vain. So, I have no idea where you get that idea!
This thread is about the liberalism that exists in this county. It's about those that want to tax us to death! It's about the greedy that want to grab and control the wind farm, wind fall for their own greedy uses !
Perhaps in an indirect way, I suppose this thread is about possible unknown connections with the United Nations Agenda 21, unbeknownst to those involved.
This thread is about even more than that!
This thread is about the
weird ideas on page one of this thread.
This thread is about the crazy idea, that a Taj Mahal of a School Building and Professional type Sports Center near Howard will draw people to Howard, increasing their population, improving their economy (increasing retailer's profits) or improving educational standards, standards improvement involves the School Board paying attention to the fact that it is possible to be done, not by a building bigger and bigger
un-needed building ! There was a movie called, "Build it And They Will Come", fiction as in not real! Life just doesn't work like that! That's why it's called fiction. Get it!
When will they
want (not need) to build an enclosure of the football, track and baseball fields?
This thread is about morals, ethics, honesty and transparency and much, much more!
This thread also provides reminders if you read back through it, about what has taken place over the last few years. Which some people would prefer would go away, isn't that right?
Why destroy history? To hide the truth, right?
If the
kind people that provide this excellent tool for communication with the folks (the voters and taxpayers and consumers, friends and neighbors) of Elk County, have no problem with the continuation of this thread, why should you?
And please, do not harass them about this thread, as has been done in the past. They are knowledgeable people and are fully aware of this thread, they also provide this entire forum at no cost to anyone that chooses to use it. And if you don't like this thread no one is forcing you to read it!
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Upoladeb,
thank you for recognizing my concern for Elk County!
No, I was not born and raised here, but I am a native Kansan born and raised in Independence.
Which is really of no importance, especially when I am spending my money in Elk County?
After being gone from Kansas earning a decent living in various big cities, since 1964,
I chose to make Elk County my retirement home.
Unlike people that may have been born and raised here
I CHOSE to live here and have endured being called an outsider numerous times.
So Be It! But, I have never been called an outsider when spending my monies any in of the retail merchants establishments or when paying my property taxes and
that is nice.Once again, Upoladeb, thank you for recognizing my concern for Elk County!
So, now that I have stepped further out on the limb, those of you that have a desire to slap me down, I extend my welcome to you to do so. Thank You!
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Lets just say "NO" to the Smoke and Mirrors shall we ?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Fortunately, we didn't make the top ten in worst list,
But for how long?
But we didn't make it in the top Ten List either.
There is always room for improvement in educational standards, which would be a very positive goal for the West Elk School Board to work on improving. I'm sure they use they could the aid of the West Elk Site Council in such an endeavor. Do they want Improved Educational Standards at West Elk or just bigger un-needed buildings? Let's wait and see what has priority with these people, it shouldn't take long to find out, in my opinion!
Anything in (bold blue is my emphasis, remarks in parenthesis are also mine) .
States With the Best (and Worst) Schools
By Thomas C. Frohlich and Michael B. Sauter January 14, 2014 6:37 am EST
For years, American students have consistently ranked poorly compared to most developed nations. And according to a recently released study, the U.S. education system remains mediocre, receiving a
C− grade, for the third year in a row.(Doesn't West Elk USD 282 fall under this catagory ?)Click here to see the states with the best school systems: http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/2/
Click here to see the states with the worst school systems: http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/4/
Education news and research publication Education Week released its 18th annual survey of the status of education in all 50 states. The K-12 Achievement Index is one indicator in Education Week's "Quality Counts" report that measures key education outcomes and provides ranks and grades for each state based on their commitment to improve educational policies and practices. This year, Massachusetts received the highest score, a B, while Mississippi got an F. 24/7 Wall St. reviewed the states with the best and worst scores for K-12 achievement.
The discussion of quality of education often turns quickly to money. It appears that the states with the highest levels of achievement generally also spend more money on education. The states with the top five grades in achievement are all in the top 15 for funding per student, adjusted for the cost of living. Only one of the 10 worst states for student achievement was in the top 15 for spending per student, cost-adjusted.
(I don't believe they are talking about spending for un-need buildings, Or sports field either, do you? ?)Senior Research Associate at the Education Week Research Center, Sterling Lloyd, explained that funding is not necessarily "the deciding factor" that determines the quality of education. Of course, he added, "most people would acknowledge that if there's not enough money there then it makes things difficult for educators and makes it very difficult to improve achievement."
There is a surprising lack of correlation between the state's K-12 achievement and the presence of policies Education Week identified as important. Five of the 10 states with the best achievement scores are among the worst in the country for setting standards and using assessment techniques that are most likely to be effective, according to Education Week. Meanwhile, Louisiana and West Virginia are the second- and third-best states for standards, but they are both among the five worst states in student achievement.
Lloyd explained that one reason for this disparity may be the amount of time it takes for good policies to have an impact on schools. "One of the things we find is that the states that have historically had lower student achievement tend to perform better on the policy side of things. Often, this is because they've put in place an
aggressive policy agenda, in part because they've had low achievement over the years."
24/7 Wall St. reviewed the 11 best-scoring and 10 worst-scoring states in K-12 achievement, based on Education Week's 2014 Quality Counts report. Education Week analyzed six separate categories that measure different components of the education system. These categories are K-12 achievement; standards, assessment
and accountability;
the teaching profession ; school finance; students' chances for long-term success; and transitions and alignment. K-12 achievement measures test scores and graduation rates. Standards, assessment and accountability determines whether schools measure student achievement through standardized testing and rewards and penalizes schools based on performance. The teaching profession category measures
whether schools hold teachers accountable to high standards and
provide incentives for performance. School finance measures whether the state is spending money on students and identifies funding inequality. The students chances for long-term success category measures family background and employment opportunities. Transitions and alignment measures how schools manage students' transitions between the school systems and secondary education or employment. All data are for the most recent available year.
http://247wallst.com/special-report/2014/01/14/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-2/
Ross $900,000.00 is the wind farm money divided by 3000 residents in Elk county that their quality of living will be changed as long as they live ...meaning the view and blinking red lights
Quote from: upoladeb on January 27, 2014, 12:00:24 PM
Ross $900,000.00 is the wind farm money divided by 3000 residents in Elk county that their quality of living will be changed as long as they live ...meaning the view and blinking red lights
Okay so I misunderstood you, I did say I make mistakes.
Thanks for correcting me.
But still the population is below 2880.
I just did a search and came up with 2720 at:
https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=population%20of%20Elk%20County%2C%20kansas
So, if you take the $900,000 (I do not know the exact amount) and divide it by 2720 residents that would only provide $330.88 per person. Not much for changing one's quality of life in my opinion. Nor do I think any NGO can utilize that money to improve anyone's quality of life, because they have never expressed a way of doing so!
But because the county commissioners are using the money to improve county roads and county equipment and ambulance services I believe it improves the quality of life for everyone in a more serious manner.
If there is a better way, I believe at least two county commissioners will listen to anyone that has a suggestion. They have an open forum for anyone to talk and it is informal.
Please double check my math and make sure I got it right.
This in my opinion is where quality of life begins and we should demand the best teaching of each and every child not just a few. Quality of life is not dependent on the very best of sporting fields, arena's and the very largest of un-needed buildings. These last items are for people with extreme ego's.
Is the following what it takes to improve education in the US of A?
California students sue state over teacher-protection laws
January 27, 2014 |12:12PM ET
Lawsuit sponsored by advocacy group says tenure and seniority laws can keep low-quality teachers in classrooms Nine California public school students sponsored by an advocacy group are suing the state over its laws on teacher tenure, seniority and other protections that the plaintiffs say keep bad educators in classrooms.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/27/california-courtcasetoaddressteachertenureseniority.html
Whether you are pro or con I appreciate all the people that are visiting
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/1/27/california-courtcasetoaddressteachertenureseniority.html
It makes my efforts well worth while.
Thank You !
P.S. No, it does not tell me who visits because I don't require a log on so, it only tells me when someone has opened the web site and it has been pretty frequent.
is the aljazerra web site run by the muslims?if so should you trust their reporting? and what is the agenda?
Quote from: upoladeb on January 29, 2014, 07:06:10 AM
is the aljazerra web site run by the muslims?if so should you trust their reporting? and what is the agenda?
That's a very good question, but I fail to see what it has to do with this thread.
But, I am willing to learn from you, how it might affect this thread.
Back to your question. I don't feel you can trust any news media. We have been told the white house has paid some news media to print certain stories or not to print certain stores. So, what are we to believe? We can't even believe and trust our countries congressmen or representatives, partially because of what is called political correctness and because of their attempts at gaining votes?
To me, I believe the only option is for each person to listen to all sides and all angles and for each person to make their own personal judgment call.
While attending the recent County Commissioners meeting and listening to the
Non Governmental Organizations Flinthills Frontier Representative telling us how he understood all about the Flinthills and rural living. The man was asked where he is from and he stated a city in Arkansas somewhere? So, I think one must ask themselves, what can this man really know, without the benefit of living our lifestyle and our (what I consider) our great quality of life here in Elk County?
And after hearing two County Commissioners say "not" interested in signing onto Flinthills Frontiers
NGO, Commissioner Liebau appeared to me, to take the defensive for that
Non Governmentmental Organization! And Commissioner Liebau made a statement that the organization
could represent us in Topeka as far as State Legislation. And I thought, how lame is that? Why would an
NGO be interested in Elk County except for membership dues down the road? The
NGO's main purpose would be to represent the larger populated cities on the north end of the Flinthills, where the majority of their membership would be and where the majority of their money would come from eventually. Leaving Elk County as only a drop of rain in a very large puddle of rain water --- nothing more.
What is the real purpose of the people that are involved in
NGO's, the top people?
Is the real purpose to make a living, to make a big pay check? (you don't believe those people that think they are big shots are doing it with out a big paycheck do you?)
Is the real purpose to recruit people to volunteer, so those volunteers can bring more money into the NGO?
Is the real purpose so they can have a large following to give them more Political Power?
What is their real purpose?
So -- all this made me ask myself, why would Commissioner Liebau seem to be taking up the defensive for this
Non Governmental Organization? And I remembered, his extremely strong stance at County Commissioners Meetings for the
Non Governmental Organizations Elk Konnected. That provided me with the thought that perhaps Commissioner Liebau had already made a
Konnection with the
Non Governmental OrganizationFlinthills Frontier through
Elk Konnected. And I must say, I don't know and I will probably never know the truth.
Commissioner Liebau asked me directly if I understood what volunteering is and I said yes. But, I don't want to volunteer giving this
Non Governmental Organization my tax dollars.
Commissioner Ritz asked the representative
(or salesman) from Flinthills Frontier if his
Non Governmental Organizations was the one and same
NGO that met with us in Grenola last year and I never heard a direct reply.
I ask you, if these
Non Governmental Organizations are worthy of operating, why can't they get people to donate to their cause? Why do they need to go after
taxpayer dollars, by suckering in Elected Officials? Is it perhaps, because they can't sucker individuals to part with their hard earned money?
Why is it we never hear any real facts about what these
Non Governmental Organizations ever accomplish? For instance:
How they improved the Quality of life for anyone?
How they improved the education of all the children?
How they improved the poverty of communities?
What we hear is they want to do, but never hear how they plan to do it, why do you suppose that is?
Is it just a way of conning everyone?
Did you know Goodwill is not a charitable organization but a privately owned company?
I didn't until recently! Of course most individuals want to do good things, but we do it in my opinion as individuals, not as puppets of some
Non Governmental Organizations that depends on taxpayer dollars. But, it is an individual decision to do on their own or to play follow the Leader
(NGO) while the big shots probably give themselves a pay check while you work for free.
Even the college football players are finally waking up to this type of scam and are suing to get paid a part of that multi-billion dollar industry they work for? Yes, while coaches are being paid millions of dollars to play football the players are putting in 40 hours a week practice, which is work, for nothing. The players suffer injuries that they will have to deal with later in life, some sooner in life. So, Who has been getting screwed for years? The player?
Yes, I question everything and the bottom line is for each individual to think for themselves and ask the questions to attempt to get the best answer for themselves.
And the more taxpayers think and the more taxpayers pay attention and the more questions the taxpayer asks, the better off our county and our country will fair, in my opinion.
Look where all the lack of attention has got our federal government and our banking system. It has done great damage to our country. I'm almost certain those that are making millionaires out of themselves, running our government would prefer that nobody paid attention.
As Charlie Rich sang, "Nobody Knows What Goes On Behind Closed Doors" isn't that simply a simple way to explain the lack of transparency with these
Non Governmental Organizations? Perhaps, I just made the connection between your question and this thread, what do you think?
All of this is just my personal opinion and I leave it up to you to form your own opinion!
By that I mean I am not asking you to believe anything I say.
State of the Union:
5 things president failed to tell Americans
By Watchdog Staff / January 29, 2014 /
4. Even the government knows pre-k doesn't workThe president spent more time talking about preschool than programs that actually work to improve education, said Jason Bedrick, policy analyst at the Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom.
"His pre-K idea is a mistake," Bedrick said. "There is no real evidence that pre-K will do all the things his administration claims it's going to do."
The government's own study of its Head Start preschool program showed that, if the program benefits children at all, the benefit disappears in a few years, he said.
"Head Start has been a complete failure," he said. "We don't have any results for this program and it does not make sense to expand it."
The president should have turned the nation's attention to school choice programs, which have been successful, he said.
The president should have announced that his administration would drop its lawsuit against Louisiana's school choice program, and that he would expand the District of Columbia's program, where the federal government actually has authority, Bedrick said.
"They should cease interfering with state-level policies because that's where the constitutional authority is for education — at the state level."
"There was a lot of talk about inequality," Bedrick said. "If we really care about inequality, and we want to reduce it, states should follow the example of Arizona and Florida and other states that have enacted school choice programs and make them large enough for all students, especially low-income students."
http://watchdog.org/126076/state-union-5-things/
Does Rebranding Or Changing A Name Really Change Anything?
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Does changing the name of the West Elk New Grade School Bond Issue from two years ago to Extensions On the Present West Elk School Building really change anything from the Previous Bond Issue?
Will the School Board really waste approximately $3000. 00 to run an election for a bond issue they feel will fail, just so they can rebrand it for another election in November?
Do the School Board Members really think you are gullible enough to fall for their shenanigans?
Have the School Board Members shown any Critical Thinking on trying to fool Elk County, West Elk School District voters? Not in my opinion!
Does Rebranding improve educational standards?Quote from: ROSS on January 31, 2014, 07:48:16 AM
Emphasis is mine.
Some states rebrand controversial
Common Core
education standards
By Lyndsey Layton, Published: January 30
Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) used an executive order to strip the name "Common Core" from the state's new math and reading standards for public schools. In the Hawkeye State, the same standards are now called "The Iowa Core." And in Florida, lawmakers want to delete "Common Core" from official documents and replace it with the cheerier-sounding "Next Generation Sunshine State Standards."
In the face of growing opposition to the Common Core State Standards — a set of K-12 educational guidelines adopted by most of the country — officials in a handful of states are worried that the brand is already tainted. They're keeping the standards but slapping on fresh names they hope will have greater public appeal.
Read more here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/some-states-rebrand-controversial-common-core-education-standards/2014/01/30/a235843e-7ef7-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage
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Miami Herald > News > Legislature
Posted on Saturday, 01.18.14
Education
Renaming 'Common Core' standards
does little to end education debate
By Kathleen McGrory
Herald/Times Tallahassee bureau
TALLAHASSEE -- The state education department tried to distance itself from the controversial Common Core State Standards last week by recommending changes to the benchmarks and giving them a new name.
"The proposed standards are truly our own," Deputy Chancellor Mary Jane Tappen said during a Tuesday workshop on the freshly named "Florida Standards."
But is Florida really moving away from the national benchmarks, which have drawn Tea Party ire in recent months? Or are the suggested revisions a matter of semantics?
"At their heart, the standards in Florida are still Common Core standards," said Anne Hyslop, a policy analyst with New America Foundation's Education Policy Program, noting that many of the proposed changes are minor.
Hyslop added: "The Rebranding and Messaging is Largely Political."
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/18/3879688/renaming-common-core-standards.html#storylink=cpy
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Rebimbas supports
delaying, examining
Common Core
Thursday, January 30, 2014
HARTFORD — State Rep. Rosa Rebimbas (R-70) joined her Republican colleagues this week on calling for Gov. Dannel Malloy and the state Department of Education to delay implementation of the Common Core teaching program and teacher evaluation process.
The legislators want it delayed until further study on the effectiveness and feasibility of the program can be performed and the discussion can be brought out into the public.
During a press conference in the Legislative Office Building the House Republican Caucus Education Committee questioned the timing and implementation of the Common Core curriculum across the state and called upon the legislature's Education Committee to hold a public hearing on the Common Core.
According to a press release issued by Rebimbas' office, the committee highlighted problems regarding technology concerns with administering assessments under the Common Core and questioned the reliability and feasibility of linking student achievement scores on the Smarter Balanced standardized test system to teacher evaluations.
"Rushing to implement legislation that makes major changes to how our children learn, how our educator's teach and how both students and educators are evaluated without first properly examining the pros and cons of the system is a recipe for disaster, and that's what we're seeing now," Rebimbas said in the release. "Connecticut's Common Core program must be reevaluated with clearly vetted and well established guidelines.
Feedback from educators across the state has already pointed out several potential problems with the program, including implementation problems in terms of internet technology requirements for computers in order to take the tests, students struggling with keyboarding skills at young ages, and the sheer amount of new projects and initiatives being rolled out at the same time, the release stated.
Rebimbas added in the release, "To meet the Common Core requirements, teachers and administrators are asked to do many more hours of administrative work which takes them away from teaching and the work they now must do."
Legislators also called for public hearings so the program and process can be fully vetted
On Tuesday, Malloy and legislative leaders sent a letter to the Performance Evaluation Advisory Council asking them to delay coupling the new evaluation system and the Common Core, according to ctnewsjunkie.com.
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/01/18/3879688/renaming-common-core-standards.html
Do you trust the Federal Government to make decisions about your child's education?
Does your School Board trust the Federal Government to make decisions about your child's education?
I don't ! ----- RossCommon Core
Changing Education
By Kay Bivens
February 3, 2014 EDITOR'S NOTE: Kay Bivens of Lake Wylie examines Common Core State Standards in math and English Language Arts being implemented in public schools in many states including South Carolina. These views are Bivens, and not those of the Lake Wylie Pilot.
Do you remember the television show "Are You Smarter Than a Fifth Grader?" Americans enjoy quiz shows, because we love challenges and competing to see if we can make the grade.
See if you can solve a math problem from an 1877 elementary grade math test. Remember teachers, who probably didn't have a college degree, taught math in one-room schools, and students learned to do math mentally – no calculators, chalk or slate allowed.
A boat worth $864, and insured for $500, was lost. One-eight of the boat belonged to Bill, ¼ belonged to John, and the rest to Daniel. What loss did each sustain?
How did you do? Could today's elementary students do math problems like this (or read Greek and Roman classics in their original language like students did in the 1700s)? It's a thought-provoking question.
Now compare 1877 math to this problem in a Nebraska third grade class: Mr. Lemke has 5 guitars, 4 banjos and 2 mandolins. What is the total number of strings on the instruments?
After seeing examples of other math problems like this, and as a former fifth and sixth grade science teacher, I wanted to check out the sweeping education reforms in the Common Core standards 45 states promised to adopt. Were you, like me, unaware South Carolina had adopted CC in 2010, with an implementation completion date of 2014-2015?
I also wanted to explore the theory the decline of education has paralleled the decline of federalism so I began to research the pros and cons of yet another new approach to education.
After doing extensive research and attending CC forums, I will share my findings, questions and concerns, but please, do your own homework. There is conflicting information and confusing generalized statements on CC that need to be examined. This is timely because in two recent polls, only 52 percent and 62 percent (respectively) of parents had heard "only a little" or "nothing at all" about CC.
Another poll stated: "Of those who had heard of CC, many were confused by or misunderstood the standards and their genesis." It is curious there has been so little communication about such a drastic change in education.
Changing education
Historical factors changing education may surprise you. "Big business" had and continues to have a powerful influence on the goals of education.
1. By the late 1800s/early 1900s, industrialists Andrew Carnegie, John D. Rockefeller and Henry Ford needed robot-like, compliant factory workers, so fueled by their influence and money, education changed to facilitate achieving that need. Rockefeller's letter on education stated: "In our dream ... people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hands." Carnegie supported educational experimentation. Even President Woodrow Wilson voiced his thinking saying one class should have a liberal education, another much larger class, should forgo a liberal education and prepare to perform specific difficult manual tasks.
2. 1914: Universities got on board to train teachers, effort to control textbook content and standardized testing began.
3. 1920s: H. H. Goddard, standardized test architect, wrote about standardized testing's goal: Make lower classes recognize their inferiority – discourage their ambition and having children. Textbooks: History being blurred and rewritten to reflect author's bias; omission of quotes by people like our founding fathers.
4. 1954 Congressional Committee uncovered a gigantic project to rewrite American history and incorporate it into new school textbooks.
5. 1979: Department of Education was established followed by unconstitutional federal intrusions into state control of education – using tax dollars to influence changes. This loss of federalism does parallel our continued loss of world rankings in both economics and education.
6. Teachers' unions have tremendous lobbying power (influence) regarding education policy.
7. Poverty, single-parent families, removing God from our lives, and public apathy have contributed to declining school and world rankings, not addressed as factors that need to be considered in any reforms in education.
8. As reforms to reverse the downward spiral have been tried, some have resorted to lowering standards to get improved test scores, but No. 1 tells us these changes focus on the need for workers, not what's best for students.
The idea of reform reminds me of "New Math" in the 1960s. My college roommate was told it was going to revolutionize math because the old method was no longer effective. I was skeptical, but my roommate's professor had assured her it would work.
Well, poor student performance made schools recognize it as a failure so New Math went away (almost), but could it be that another version of it has emerged under a new name? Today's CC math criticisms are strikingly similar to New Math criticisms: "Frustrated, angry parents and teachers said New Math was outside of students' ordinary experiences and not worth taking time away from more traditional topics, such as arithmetic. Parents didn't understand it and couldn't help with their children's homework." The preface of Professor George F. Simmons' book "Pre-calculus Mathematics in a Nutshell," summed it up: New Math students knew commutative law, but not multiplication tables.
The core issue about CC comes down to trust:
1. Can we trust that CC is focused on the best interests of our children, not big business' needs?2. Can we trust CC to reverse decades of a downward spiral in education in America since schools have never been asked to conduct business as CC requires?
Check out the comments from teachers on the NEA's website: neatoday.org/2013/10/16/10-things-you-should-know-about-the-common-core/.
Suggested reading:
• Diane Ravich, a proponent of voluntary national standards: washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2014/01/18/everything-you-need-to-know-about-common-core-ravitch/.
• Bill Gates' UNESCO alliance and his involvement in CC's development: crossroad.to/articles2/0013/common-core/bill_gates_teams_up_with_unesco.htm.
Kay Bivens of Lake Wylie is a former science teacher with more than 12 years teaching experience. After retiring, she began leading a series of U.S. Army Family Support Group in the Carolinas, which led to her planning, developing curriculum and teaching classes at several FSG Leadership Training Academies in Florida, Texas and South Carolina.
I received my Kansas Country, monthly rag, from my rural electric company today.
Talk about absurd, the story by Angie Bauer of
Public Squares Communities, Inc is in my personal opinion beyond absurd.
Angie Bauer is listed as a Community Facilitator with
Public Squares Communities, Inc. web site at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/staff/ . She states in her article that she is involved with
Central Kansas Community Foundation which is a
tax-exempt charitable organization. So does this give
Elk Konnected, LLC a
Konnection through Angie Bauer working for
Public Squares Communities?What I find absurd, is Konnecting personal health and medical care of probably many doctors and many doctors visit and their cure, to become a cancer survivor, compared to what communities need or don't need. Who are these people to come into communities and manipulate the communities?
She goes on to say if a community wants to make an improvement there will be
"interference, absolutely". Just who makes up a community?
Is it just a hand full of people?
Or is it all the people?
What is needed to approve someone's or some groups vision for the community?
Usually a vote, Right?
If it is really a good idea, why would there be any interference? Are these people afraid of the truth?
Isn't that their biggest problem?
Isn't that why they won't openly communicate?
Isn't that why some of them hide behind LLC's and Inc's?
A vote means the registered voters of the community and usually many of them are property owners, which means the taxpayers, isn't that?
Isn't this the way our local governments work?
By vote!
It's not necessarily the people that come into the community, causing these problems, coming from somewhere else, that have their property taxes raised is it?
It's those groups that usually have their hand out looking for a hand out of taxpayer's dollars as I see it. What do you see?
So, what are they doing, but causing division amongst the community, the people that live there?
What happened to all of that positive attitude?
It can't be there if they are causing all this community division, can it?
Yet, they point out that the problem is the citizens of the community, don't they?
She provides lots of supposed improvements in various communities, yet provides no literal information that
Konnects
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Why no substantial information?
Why no web sites?
Why no letters of appreciation for helping the communities?
Why nothing?
The following is copied and pasted from the web site of the Foundation she alludes a
Konnection to.
I couldn't find her name on the web site anywhere.
I wonder why?
Central Kansas Community Foundation is a 501 (c) 3 tax-exempt charitable organization.
Their tax ID number is 48-1221368 with Total assets under management: December 2013 – charitable asset balance
$18,000,000+Why is everything with these NGO's (non governmental organizations)
so obscure? Unclear, uncertain, unknown, in doubt, doubtful, dubious, mysterious, hazy, vague, indeterminate, concealed, hidden? At least Central Kansas Community Foundation has some transparency.
Why doesn't
Elk Konnected, LLC let us know who membership is?
Does anyone actually belong to
Elk Konnected, LLC?Do you know someone that is an actual registered member of
Elk Konnected, LLC?If not, how can an
LLC claim to be part of the community?
Doesn't being an
LLC just make them another business in Elk County and nothing more?
Elk Konnected, LLC claims on their Face Book site that
Elk Konnected, LLC went to school at
West Elk. How is that possible? Have you ever heard of a company going to high school?
I do believe
LLChas control of our
West Elk School Board and that they will continue to try to trick us you and me, into building wings onto the
West School building that
are not need. What do you think?
They don't seem to care how high they drive
your property taxes, do they?
And we know what they think of us from reading Rudy's e-mail don't we?
And the fact that he discussed it with the self proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC
and Member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee
and the Public Squares, Inc. Chief Financial Officer, right?
Perhaps we should always
remember that, don't you think?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
The following is what I posted, when I started another thread and I simply wanted to post the remarks here as well. You can read the original statement at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15875.0.html
Quote from: ROSS on February 05, 2014, 07:48:58 AM
I try to follow current events both nationally and locally. It is difficult at best and impossible at worst to follow everything. This information slipped by met in 2010, but makes an excellent read today just the same.
Global economics may be a bit difficult to understand and I believe that is the way those that manipulate it want it to be.
However on the local level it is very simple and I don't believe those that we elect to office, to represent us just don't want you to understand. Why? So they can run amuck spending your money and raising your property taxes so they can build what is not needed! For instance build a bunch of wings, extensions, or numerous additions to West Elk USD 282, only to satisfy someone's ego.
I was privileged to work for a very sharp electrician in the military and I learned a great deal from him. His only problem was that he was an alcoholic. He was ordered to attend Alcoholics Anonymous or get thrown out of the service with less than two years to retirement. Well, he asked me to drive him to one of his meetings and I obliged him. I went inside with him and wasn't too comfortable with it at first. Just the same, I learned something of value at that meeting, one of their saying, "KISS" which means "Keep It Simple Stupid !".
And I don't believe, anything in Elk County needs to be as difficult as some people want us to believe they should. When things get difficult to discuss with the taxpayers and voters or if the conversation is void of proper information, I believe there is a problem with the elected officials.
If my teenager has a problem explaining a situation and talking about it, or says it's too complex, I see red flags and will talk with him until we come to a solution or understanding. If he freezes up and gives the same excuses over and over, that sustains the red flags. This applies to politicians as well, IMHO. So, "KISS", politicians.
WOWIE LOOK AT THAT!
PROFESSIONALISM!
Today's local newspaper has a doozy of a letter listed as
"Letters From Readers".
"Public Officials Should Set A Better Example For Others To See"
And I suppose this letter in the newspaper is a real good example of PROFESSIONALISM ?Oh yeah, Dr. Robert Black giving advice to the County Commissioners about
professionalism. I find that real rich.
Doesn't Dr. Robert Black realize that he should follow his own advice as an elected official? He was elected to the
West Elk USD 282 School Board and if he wants
professionalism, shouldn't he start there?
They have one of the shoddiest meetings I have ever seen!
There is no
professionalism there, that I can see!
Is it professionalism for
Dr. Robert Black to show up late for the School Board Meetings?
Is it professionalism for the School Board to sit there eating their
grapes and
cold cuts and
cheese and
cookies in front of an audience?
Is it professionalism for the School Board to let their employee, the School Superintendent
dominate and practically take control of their meeting? The School Superintendent is perhaps the most intelligent person sitting at the table, but he was not elected to sit at that table. Only the elected officials are suppose to be seated at table as the School Board.
What is proper protocol and professionalism! Is it professionalismfor the School Board Members speak so softly, that people in the audience can barely hear them? And I am referring to those with good hearing, not myself with hearing aids.
Is it professionalism during a meeting for elected officials to permit snickering from certain members of the audience?
Is it professionalism during a meeting for elected officials to whisper to each other during a public meeting?
Is it professionalism for Dr. Black raising his voice at a County Commissioners meeting on behalf of Elk Konnected, LLC several months back?
Is it professionalism for 3 Members of the School Board to hold a public meeting and then permit the School Superintendent to dominate that public meeting? You saw it in the video, didn't you?
My main question is shouldn't
Dr. Robert Black follow his own advice,
as an elected official, before dishing it out in the local newspaper.
So, just where does Dr. Robert Black show an iota of
professionalism as an elected official by writing such a letter in the newspaper, before cleaning up his own act? Can we get an answer from you Dr. Robert Black? A response would be greatly appreciated!
I think we all know that this thread is heavily monitored by certain people, but I doubt you or I will ever get a
professional answer to any of these questions, but I felt they had to be asked!
Perhaps, since the West Elk School Board had one of their own
broach the subject of
professionalism, perhaps they will work on their
professionalism during their School Board Meetings, do you suppose?
I really think it was a super idea of Dr. Robert Black to bring up the subject of
professionalism. I like that he did it in the newspaper, instead of being
professional about it and talking directly to the Commissioners during a County Commissioners meeting!
Otherwise, I wouldn't be able to invite him to answer a few questions here on this thread, here on this forum.
Thank you Dr. Robert Black!Dr. Robert Black will you try to instill
professionalism in School Board Meetings?
Please let us all hear from you!
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Which is for you?
Last nights School Board Meeting was just as non-professional as all the previous School Board Meetings. They still have their picnic with all their cold cuts and cookies and cheese on the table. And still don't speak up enough to be heard properly and talking amongst themselves as if it is not a public meeting. And they still have the School Superintendent sitting at right next to the head of the table, only now he has pulled his chair right up to the table. No protocol!
Mr. Professional never showed up, not even late, just not there at all. I hope, he is well and doesn't have that nasty flu that is going around. We need Dr. Black to be at the meetings and possibly bring some of that Professionalism to play at the School Board Meetings that he wrote so boldly about in the newspaper about other elected officials. I have to say though that, I don't believe, he had any idea what was going on during that particular County Meeting, he has only attended one County Commissioners Meeting that I know of. Oh well.
The talk continued about the expansion of West Elk to become a Taj Mahal and it was rather confusing. They had a conference call with a bondsman via telephone. And I must say the volume was plenty loud on the telephone, to bad the School Board Members don't have a volume control knob! LOL There was a suggestion about the phone sound from the tech guy, I could not hear what he said, but I heard, that it was difficult to follow the man during the phone conversation. Not such a great thing when you are talking about millions of dollars is it?
I heard said that the Church is not up to code and that they no fire alarm system wiring in the wall and that the walls are being sheet rocked. And someone said they need to communicate with the church. Communicate, really?
I heard the following numbers thrown around for a bond issue some of which contained interest and others without interest:
1. $8,500,000.00
2. $6,000,000.00
3. $3,000,000.00
4. $1,500,000.00
And the cost of the bond broker would be something in the neighborhood of $15,000.00 fee per each $1.5 million unit, which would be part of whatever the final bond issue might be.
Well, as the meeting continued a very good statement was made, "We need a plan before doing anything." Those are words of wisdom!
Personally, I think that would have been a terrific idea before spending 10's of thousands of dollars on an architect/salesman. And, I think they should have started with the question, "We have a building designed for 600 students, why do we need a larger building, that will increase maintenance expenses and heating and cooling costs?"
Another question would be, "Why do we want to destroy a half million dollars worth of portable buildings and construction, especially when our reason for having them was to save money?"
We will hear excuses that it wasn't this School Board! That is an excuse that simply shouldn't fly. We only have one West Elk School Board and when you accept the position, you accept that responsibility and can not shirk it. Very Simple!
I did hear a few more words of wisdom:
1. A 6 million dollar bond issue will never pass
2. A 3 million dollar bond issue will never pass
3. Maybe a 1.5 million dollar bond issue may not pass
A real plus, two real words of wisdom, "Go Reasonable"
A few discouraging words:
1. The board can raise taxes 4 mil to a maximum of 8 mil
2. (out of context) "a dirty way of doing things" (I don't know what this was about)
It was mentioned once again that the School Board has one million dollars that are unencumbered. This simply means they can use it as they so desire. So, why were they talking a couple of months ago of going to the County Meeting to ask for money, from the wind farm money, to pay for transportation gas?
Why are they discussing air-conditioning for the present gymnasium at the cost of $128.000. Apparently when the building was built, it was determined that air-conditioning the gymnasium was un-necessary. Isn't the gymnasium a place to work up a sweat and burn off calories? Also the gymnasium is not used during the summer is it? Why? Why such an expense? It's only taxpayer money, right?
They already have to face the expense of replacing all the air-conditioning units on the roof for approximately $485,000 and that doesn't include repairing or replacing the roof for approximately another $500,000. These are only estimates, from what they have talked about, during their meetings. They don't want you and me to know exactly what is going on. Just ask yourself, is there any communications from the School Board to the public?
There will be some communications with the public soon, especially the taxpayers and voters. It doesn't any longer look like April, as they previously discussed but maybe in June. We only have to wait and see? Will you give them a vote to go deeply in debt, even though they are terribly Cornfused?
What, I definitely did hear was the School Board President ask (he spoke up for a change) one member why he was opposed to what was going on. And he had to repeat himself; he had to rephrase his question. I did notice he seemed rather frustrated and demanding and red in the face when he asked, "Is it you just don't want it, or what?" The reply was. "We need to be reasonable and do only what we need to do, we should have a plan." I found that to be an excellent answer!
It is at this point that I sense, that the President of the School Board's main concern, is a new gymnasium, over and above anything else. That is simply my impression of the whole ball of wax.
Please, does anyone know if the School Board President is associated with Elk Konnected, LLC or for that matter what other board members might be associated with Elk Konnected, LLC, just asking?
I think we are being duped, what do you think?
One final note of great expense to the School District, Transportation is asking for two new School buses, these are very spendy new or used.
I'd suggest keep the kids in the School Building they have, which is beyond sufficient and provide for their needs.
They need:
1. School buses for the children's safe transportation, right?
2. They need a roof over their head that doesn't leak, right?
3. They need dependable heating and air-conditioning in their class rooms, right?
These are real "needs" for the kids and not "wants" to bolster someone's ego, right?
They called for a Special School Board Meeting on February 24th at 6:30 pm to discuss further the building of their Taj Mahal.
Are there perhaps some un-pleasant truths in any of my posts?
Yes, I'm asking your opinion.
I will repeat my disclaimer, LOL!
These are simply my thought's and feelings and opinion and nothing more. I don't expect you to believe a word of this. Please form your own thought's and feelings and opinions.
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I still do not see what West Elk school board meetings have to do with Elk Konnected. Nancy
Quote from: K.R. on February 12, 2014, 03:51:54 PM
I still do not see what West Elk school board meetings have to do with Elk Konnected. Nancy
I think we can all remember when
Elk Konnected, LLC had control of our County Government, can't we?
Well, we know of at least two of the School Board members are associated with
Elk Konnected, LLC don't we?
The only School Board Member listed with
Elk Konnected, LLC is:
(copied and pasted from http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-about/ )
Elk Konnected Accredited Community
Community Contact
Dr. David Whetstone (316) 708-0296
And also, I think because of the last person assigned to the School Board, as a temporary position was appointed by the Board Members,
without a single little discussion amongst themselves during the meeting, about the two people that applied for the vacant seat, they voted for one person, without hesitation. It just appeared to me to be a pre-planned vote! No, I can't prove anything, it was just the appearance. You would have had to be there to see it for yourself. It's reasons like this why the School Board will most likely operate professionally and probably never move into the twenty first century.
IMHO!It is for reasons like this that I don't believe the School Board has no desire to have
true transparency !Also, this foolishness of building a Grade School as attachments --- extensions or whatever you wish to call them follows right along the same line of thoughts expressed in the foolish list in the first post of this thread. The list in the first post was generated by
Elk Konnected, LLC with no one taking credit for anything on the list.
IMHO!Where did the original idea for this plan come from?
Nobody knows, right?
Why is it No Body wants to accept responsibility for such an original idea?
Just like all those ideas from
Elk Konnected, LLC isn't it?
Why does West Elk need a bigger building when the one they have was designed to house 600 students and there are only 300 students?
Now that is just plain foolish.
I believe if you simply give that a moments thought, you will surely come to the same conclusion
IMHO!But your opinions are your and yours alone, just as mine are --- mine alone.
I don't ask you to believe anything I write here,
If I ask anything of you, it is to think for yourself.
I am not here to convince you of anything.
I am here only to express myself and I have a Constitutional right to do so.
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
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And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Lets just say "NO" to the Smoke and Mirrors shall we ?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Elementary
School Survey
Information
Do you want a new Grade School in the form of a bunch of add-ons to West Elk USD 282?
Do you want air conditioned gymnasiums, a place where you go to sweat and burn calories.
Obesity is still alive and well. One-third of the nation's children are carrying too much weight. The same is true in the adult world.
http://www.helpcurechildobesity.com/
See what others have to say about a piece meal Elementary School !
Be sure to scroll the pages to read what people wrote on the forms.
What the School Board and the School Superintendent won't share with you openly and honestly that is unless you go to the Superintendents and request to see the documents.
Of course, I could not get each and every page, but I think it is enough for you to get the jist of things.
Each page is on file at the USD 282 District Office and each Board Member received a personal copy. This public is information.
I did this with a hand held scanner. You are right, I am no office boy.
But I hope this gives you enough information.
I am going to try to acquire more information for you this next week.
To go there and view the follow this link:
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Let's have an open discussion about this and perhaps we can get the School Board to open up about it, in an honest and open dialog. I doubt they can actually do it.
I think all the waste of money by the School Board for Architects and College Professors to teach the how to think should cease! Because they haven't shown any interest in following expert advice. IMHO!
And also because they don't appear to have any sense of responsibility towards numbers ! By that I mean simple math. For example they know they have a building designed originally to house 600 children and they only have 300 children.
I also understand they think, if they have a huge West Elk School Building people will move to Howard and that would improve the economy for the retailers in Howard. That would be a piss poor reason for any sensible person to move for. Just think about it for a moment, just for a moment. Would you move to Cherryvale, Kansas because they have a 3 story High School? Would you do that? Really?
Remember all the talk, not long back, of putting up an electronic billboard at West Elk?
Why?
Senseless IMO.
Where do they come up with these hair brained ideas, check page one of this thread for a bunch of this kind of doozies.
Visit:
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Do you want a new Grade School in the form of a bunch of add-ons to West Elk USD 282?
Do you want air conditioned gymnasiums, a place where you go to sweat and burn calories.
Obesity is still alive and well. One-third of the nation's children are carrying too much weight. The same is true in the adult world.
http://www.helpcurechildobesity.com/
See what others have to say about a piece meal Elementary School !
Be sure to scroll the pages to read what people wrote on the forms.
What the School Board and the School Superintendent won't share with you openly and honestly that is unless you go to the Superintendents and request to see the documents.
Of course, I could not get each and every page, but I think it is enough for you to get the jist of things.
Each page is on file at the USD 282 District Office and each Board Member received a personal copy. This public is information.
I did this with a hand held scanner. You are right, I am no office boy.
But I hope this gives you enough information.
I am going to try to acquire more information for you this next week.
To go there and view the follow this link:
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Let's have an open discussion about this and perhaps we can get the School Board to open up about it, in an honest and open dialog. I doubt they can actually do it.
I think all the waste of money by the School Board for Architects and College Professors to teach the how to think should cease! Because they haven't shown any interest in following expert advice. IMHO!
And also because they don't appear to have any sense of responsibility towards numbers ! By that I mean simple math. For example they know they have a building designed originally to house 600 children and they only have 300 children.
I also understand they think, if they have a huge West Elk School Building people will move to Howard and that would improve the economy for the retailers in Howard. That would be a piss poor reason for any sensible person to move for. Just think about it for a moment, just for a moment. Would you move to Cherryvale, Kansas because they have a 3 story High School? Would you do that? Really?
Remember all the talk, not long back, of putting up an electronic billboard at West Elk?
Why?
Senseless IMO.
Where do they come up with these hair brained ideas, check page one of this thread for a bunch of this kind of doozies.
Visit:
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx For documents pertaining to the Survey. There are two folders and a note.
I don't ask you to believe anything I write or post here,
If I ask anything of you, it is to think for yourself.
I am not here to convince you of anything.
I am here only to express myself and I have a Constitutional right to do so.
There is just no proper rebuttal to the truth is there?
And please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE. When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Lets just say "NO" to the Smoke and Mirrors shall we ?
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
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Last nights Special School Board Meeting
A list of desires, suggestions whatever was read by one of the teachers on behalf of several teachers. A few things, I could hear were:
The elementary teachers want to their grade school classes all grouped together, so they can maintain camaraderieship. (I believe that was the word used.)
The teachers want to know what the School Board plans to do with the portables.
I'm going to try to get a copy of the list from the District office tomorrow.
Anyway after the man explained that he was doing the report because someone else could not make it to the meeting. He said this before giving the report. Bw the but the point I am getting at is School Board Member Black took off on a speech about how the board has been working on this for two and a half years and that the teachers had been asked for input and there had been a couple of surveys and that this last minute information was uncalled for. You get your input and are not to happy get them, not even a thank you>
I would like to ask Mr. Black several questions:
1. Where is that Elk Konnected Positive attitude?
2. Why the shoot the messenger with such a rude speech?
3. Is there a scheduled input date not to excede?
4. How are the teachers suppose to be able to figure out what they want, when the School Board is still so unsure of what they want?
5. If you and the School Board realize a Bond will not pass why continue the charade?
6. Why waste $3000.00 of our childrens education dollars on a charade?
Last night, I heard mention having a wrestling room! Whaaaat?
That is the purpose of a gymnasium, isn't it?
Can we put in a few gigantic Chrystal Chandaliers and how about a wine cellar, oh and a nineteen hole golf course and a caddy shack? Maybe build a dormatory for runaway or homeless teenagers so they can go to school there. Let's build a real campus!
PBA Architects said he took a look at the roof of West Elk and said it was immaculate. Yes he used the word immaculate! I almost fell out of my chair when he said now is the time to replace it. Really, what does that mean? If something is immaculate it doesn't need replaced does it? Where is there any sense?
David Whetstone was asking Piper Jaffery Financial if they could put more than one question on the ballot. Piper Jaffery said yes, but then then the conversation dropped down to a whisper as if they didn't want anyone else to hear them.
I thought this was a public meeting and the conversations were supposed to be available to the public. I guess not!
But the question made me wonder. Why would he want to do?
Maybe he would ask us to vote on say a $6 million dollar bond and also ask us to vote on a $3 million dollar bond hoping to trick us into voteing for the smaller bond, do ya think? I think it would be really stupid and I think that was the purpose of the basically private conversation. What do you think? Why two questions on a special ballot for one bond issue.
Build a Tornado Wall?
I am revisiting my post from yesterday, please note the morale and attitude that was happening by the school board member. This is wide spread at West Elk IMHO!
Quote from: ROSS on February 25, 2014, 10:05:58 PM
Last nights Special School Board Meeting
A list of desires, suggestions whatever was read by one of the teachers on behalf of several teachers. A few things, I could hear were:
The elementary teachers want to their grade school classes all grouped together, so they can maintain camaraderieship. (I believe that was the word used.)
The teachers want to know what the School Board plans to do with the portables.
I'm going to try to get a copy of the list from the District office tomorrow.
Anyway after the man explained that he was doing the report because someone else could not make it to the meeting. He said this before giving the report. But the point I am getting at is School Board Member Black took off on a speech about how the board has been working on this for two and a half years and that the teachers had been asked for input and there had been a couple of surveys and that this last minute information was uncalled for. You get your input and are not to happy get them, not even a thank you>
I would like to ask Mr. Black several questions:
1. Where is that Elk Konnected Positive attitude?
2. Why the shoot the messenger with such a rude speech?
3. Is there a scheduled input date not to excede?
4. How are the teachers suppose to be able to figure out what they want, when the School Board is still so unsure of what they want?
5. If you and the School Board realize a Bond will not pass why continue the charade?
6. Why waste $3000.00 of our childrens education dollars on a charade?
Really note the overall attitude concerning West Elk as a whole, perhaps part of the problems at the school stem from this log drive / push to build a Taj Mahal!
How long has this lets build thing been going on? I believe the School Board member said 2 1/2 years. But really hasn't it been going on since 2009?
The School Board member stated they had been asking for input from the teachers for 2 1/2 years, right?
Doesn't this show there are more serious problems than what new building extensions can fix?
We are talking about a minimum of 2 1/2 years of morale dysfunction, morale problems, and attitude problems at West Elk. They will deny it but that too is part of the problem. Dysfunctional denial!
The teacher that gave the report to the School Board did not deserve a public dressing down, he was simply the messenger and a very polite messenger at that. Why shoot the messenger? Simply a show of power, a bullying tactic in my opinion. The messenger isn't going to stand up and say stop is he, he has no power right?
Shouldn't the School Board just drop this non-sense of a Taj Mahal (which has been going on for way too long, since 2009 or even earlier) and seek counseling for their morale and attitude problems?
Oh, yeah!
There are definitely morale and attitude problems at West Elk and I'm not the first to notice it!
The above information is just a slight touch of the problems at West Elk, IMHO!
I'm not the first to say it!
I am probably the last to notice it!
I am possibly the first to put it in print!
But folks it's up to you to decide for yourself.
It is your School Board!
It is your Staff!
It is your teachers!
All paid for with taxes and permitted by your vote!
So far your School Board appears to have ignored your wishes, haven't they?
They ignored your vote not to build a new grade school, right?
Because they have simply
re-branded it as extensions to the West Elk Building, right?
And they keep spending money like water to try and push the idea and attempt to put you in debt for another twenty years.
Are you going to let them win,
with their
phony survey,
with their
"attitude" that you don't matter?
This is the page that caused a School Board Member to spout off about.
It was the Principals report not the messengers report.
Why shoot the messenger?
This is just page 16 of a 20 that I will be posting on Box. com later.
This is in a report from PiperJaffery.
In the report they speak of
$3 Million, $6 Million and
$7.5 Million with and without state aid.
My guess is there probably won't be any state aid or FEMA money.
Piper Jaffray
Investment banking company
Piper Jaffray is a full-service investment bank and asset management firm focused on mergers and acquisitions, financial restructuring, public offerings, public finance, institutional brokerage, investment management and securities research.
It looks like they are preparing to spend nearly $3000.00 on a bond election that the are sure will fail.
WHY? WHY WASTE $3000.00?
I have posted the Piper Jaffery Financial handout to the West Elk School Board at:https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw for you to have a look see. These are in JPEG form.
I am not the greatest office boy, but I try.
The School Board could have these posted on the West Elk School web site if they wanted you to
be an informed voter. Can you afford another $300 property tax increase each year for a new grade school.
Look at the documents, it's possible.
Here are all the links for documents pertaining to West Elk and Elk County for your convenience.
It's A "Different Thingy" Going On
What's Orchestrated And Organized Behind The Curtain?
USD 282 Documents
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Documents Pertaining To The Survey
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jafrey Financial
https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
Elk County Govt
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
Benjamin Franklin said "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."A government that's big enough to give us everything we need is big enough to take everything we have." Thomas JeffersonIt appears the blame is the child's status of being poor. Think again, the chIld being poor has nothing to do with poor teaching in the classroom.There are those that oppose OPPOSITION even when they know they are wrong! That will make up problems that don't exist or create a problem to prove themselves right. All the while they still remain wrong! Are they not wrong in opposing OPPOSITION?
I believe the taxpayers and voters of both Elk County and the West Elk School District are finally getting a good vision of the trickery happening both inside and outside Elk County.
So folks remember you have the power to change things for the positive.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
It is not all about me!
It's about you the voter!If I do not provide a link then everything I post is MOOT!
Thanks for uploading all those files Ross. Keep us informed.
Quote from: nykkylsdymes on February 27, 2014, 02:51:25 AM
Thanks for uploading all those files Ross. Keep us informed.
You are quite welcome.
I'm doing the best I know how.
If you know of anything I need to get, please let me know.
And thank you for the encouragement.
Being Intelligent
Is Not Necessarily
Being Smart !
LOL
How Computer-Generated
Fake Papers Are
Flooding Academia
More and more academic papers that are essentially gobbledegook are being written by computer programs – and accepted at conferences.(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/2/26/1393439702386/Ive-written-five-PhDs-on--006.jpg)
'I've written five PhDs on Heidegger just this afternoon. What next?'
Like all the best hoaxes, there was
a serious point to be made. Three MIT graduate students wanted to expose how dodgy scientific conferences pestered researchers for papers, and accepted any old rubbish sent in, knowing that academics would stump up the hefty, till-ringing registration fees.
It took only a handful of days. The students wrote a simple computer program that churned out gobbledegook and presented it as an academic paper. They put their names on one of the papers, sent it to a conference, and promptly had it accepted. The sting, in 2005, revealed
a farce that lay at the heart of science.
But this is the
hoax that keeps on giving. The creators of the automatic nonsense generator, Jeremy Stribling, Dan Aguayo and Maxwell Krohn, have made the SCIgen program free to download. And scientists have been using it in their droves. This week, Nature reported, French researcher Cyril Labbé revealed that
16 gobbledegook papers created by SCIgen had been
used by German academic publisher Springer. More than 100 more fake SCIgen papers were published by the
US Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE). Both organisations have now taken steps to remove the papers.
Point made!
The intelligent ain't so smart !(my statement)
Read the rest if you so desire at http://www.theguardian.com/technology/shortcuts/2014/feb/26/how-computer-generated-fake-papers-flooding-academia?CMP=ema_565
I plagiarized this and slightly rewrote it and not a bit ashamed to admit it.
"Throughout history, supposedly enlightened elite's have been able to convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The fact that they have always been wrong before does not, somehow, lead them to question those assumptions in the present day, because this is such a convenient belief to have."
IMO They were wrong to close the Moline Grade School.
IMO They were wrong to spend a half a million dollars on portable buildings, that they now want to dispose of.
IMO They are wrong to want to double the size of a building that is capable of holding 600 students when they only have 300 students.
IMO They are wrong to want a multi-million dollar School Bond Issue indebting taxpayers for 20 years.
IMO They are wrong for not recognizing their internal problems and dealing with them.
IMO They are wrong for not discussing how to improve teaching standards at the school.
IMO They are wrong to run a Special Election in June and waste $3000.00 taxpayer and student education dollars when they said at the School Board Meeting that the Bond Issue will not pass.
IMO I think they are wrong because they don't really understand the real purpose of their positions as Elected Officials of the School Board.
What do you think?
All that in the above post reminds me of the weird ideas on page one of this thread.
All those weird ideas from
Elk Konnected.So how come none of the
Followers say I'm wrong
?Why don't those
Followers prove me wrong
?Why won't those
Followers come forward and have a discussion?
Are there no more
Followers ?
I guess the truth stands tall !(https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/t1/1959459_10151884200626415_1866015216_n.jpg)
I just received notice
WEST ELK USD #282
SPECIAL BOARD MEETING AGENDA
Monday, March 3 2014
6:30 P.M.
WEST ELK DISTRICT OFFICE
Call to Order 6:30 p.m.
Pledge of Allegiance
I. Roll Call
II. Adoption of Agenda
III. Discussion/Action Item:
Facility Planning
IV. Adjournment
Next Regular Board Meeting Monday, March 10, 2014 @ 6:30 p.m.
Check the Piper Jaffery papers at https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
For a $75,000 home"
$3 Million would cost you $94.00 a year, on top of what you are already taxed, not 26 cents a day.
$6 Million would cost you $187.00 a year, on top of what you are already taxed, not 51.2 cents a day.
$7.5 Million would cost you $235.03 a year, on top of what you are already taxed, not 64.4 cents a day.
The daily cost is simply a sales gimmick, you don't pay daily. If you had to pay daily you would probably get pissed off pretty durn fast.
The idea behind listing $3 Million, $6 Million and $7.5 Million is yet another sales gimmick. They don't dare ask for
$7.5 Million or
$6 Million. They shouldn't even have the gall to ask for
$3 Million. They got what they wanted, they have all the kids on one campus and
Howard doesn't have to bus their kids to another community. And they have spent
$500,000 plus to do it.
They also got rid of a few really good teachers. No, they can not say, I had not part in all that, they accepted the past responsibilities when they accepted the elected positions.
Employing a major Financial Broker is just that, another sales gimmick! Just look at the figures those accomplished financial people put together so the School Board could dazzle you with brilliance or Baffle you with Bull Shit. What do you think?
The same thing applies to employing Architect/Salesmen IMO!
When you decide to buy a car do you get spread sheets, do you believe everything the car salesman tells you? He is a
salesman that will tell you what he thinks you want to hear, he will tell you whatever it takes to make the sale and
make an income for himself and his employer.The same thing is happening with this expansion of West Elk.
The School Principal stated that she is concerned with having so many children in the gymnasium at the same time! What she told me was that big children are on one end of the gymnasium and little children on the other end. And that she is concerned that a ball might come over from the big children side to the little children side and a little child might get hurt and in fact has had small children hurt.
What she won't tell you is, why!
Why, won't she employ the
safety net, across the center of the gymnasium to
protect the small children? Is she waiting for a catastrophic injury before taking safety precautions?
Is she waiting for a law suit, so she can say, "I told you so." If she is smart she will employ the safety net immediately and
stop using the children's safety as a
selling point for a new gymnasium. You parents out there with small children could
call the principal and insist that she provide this safety precaution for your children, before it s too late.
Tell the principal to stop using your children as a selling point. Tell the principal your
children's safety should be number
one concern!The School Board and Staff talk about security systems to prevent a mass killing at our school, the odds are extremely slim of the happening, but the odds of a child getting hurt in the gymnasium are apparently pretty good.
And yet they won't use the safety net, why? I thought the children's safety came first.
What has happened to that concept?
Sales pitch is WHAT ! SALES PITCH ! And there will be more, sales pitches, you can bet on it.
Let the Good Times Roll!
And Fergit edumacation!
The School Principal clearly states, "The New Addition is being called an Elementary Addition". Doesn't that mean a new Grade School?
And I believe, they are calling the new gymnasium the Elementary Gymnasium.
How's that gonna work for you, grad school classes on the south end and the grade school gymnasium on the north end? Holy moly Batman!
They call the teachers lounge a work room, how sweet is that?
Now they want the present (massive) office space as a Teachers Lounge, er, I'm sorry a work room.
Can we have a Chandelier and a Spa for that Work Room, please? It's only taxpayers money!
See the principal's note about the Work Room (teachers lounge) at:
https://app.box.com/files/0/f/1658866732/1/f_14861461068
Oh, did I mention, if you pass a bond issue for a part of the proposed construction, they'll be back. Back for more money in a very few years and another bond issue election. With more excuses, for needing more rooms or something. Think about it. After all thy are planning a special election in June expecting it to fail (while spending $3000.00 to prove it) and then come back in November to do it again? Just think on that a minute or two?
They have talked of spreading the construction out for as much as ten years at the Board meetings. Go figure!
USD 282 Documents https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Documents Pertaining To The Surveyhttps://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jafrey Financialhttps://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
I found this blog very interesting and posted it under Common Core
Quote from: ROSS on March 01, 2014, 09:49:29 PM
This is about property, but also about education, about what is taught, that devalues ownership!
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communism, history
You Should Ask 'Whose Property Is It?'
by Lonely Conservative • February 28, 2014
I think this blog relates to what is happening here and now with West Elk.
The Socialists wanting to tax the heck out of property owners just because!
Just because a few socialists think you are dumb enough to allow it!
Yes, that's what they think!
They know you won't buy it in June but they think you will crater in November?
They think they have you and me figured out?
Do they?
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I just received these in an e-mail and thought I'd share them with you.GREAT TRUTHS
1. In my many years I have come to a
conclusion that one useless man
is a shame, two is a law firm,
and three or more is a congress.
-- John Adams
2. If you don't read the newspaper
you are uninformed, if you do
read the newspaper you are
misinformed. -- Mark Twain
3. Suppose you were an idiot. And
suppose you were a member of
Congress. But then I repeat
myself. -- Mark Twain
4. I contend that for a nation to try to
or (for a School Board to try to) tax itself into prosperity is like a
man standing in a bucket and
trying to lift himself up by the
handle. --Winston Churchill
5. A government which robs Peter to
or (A School Board which robs Peter to) pay Paul can always depend on
the support of Paul. -- George
Bernard Shaw
6. A liberal is someone who feels a
or (A School Board is someone who feels a) great debt to his fellow man,
which debt he proposes to pay off
with your money. -- G. Gordon
Liddy
7. Democracy must be something
more than two wolves and a sheep
voting on what to have for
dinner. --James Bovard , Civil
Libertarian (1994)
8. Foreign aid might be defined as a
transfer of money from poor
people in rich countries to rich< /P>
people in poor countries.
-- Douglas Case ,
Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University.
9. Giving money and power to
government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys.
&n bsp; -- P.J. O'Rourke , Civil Libertarian
10. Government is the great fiction,
through which everybody
endeavors to live at the expense
of everybody else. -- Frederic
Bastiat , French economist(1801-1850)
11. Government's view of the
economy could be summed up
in a few short phrases: If it
moves, tax it. If it keeps
moving, regulate it. And if it
stops moving, subsidize it.
--Ronald Reagan (1986)
12. I don't make jokes. I just watch
the government and report the
facts. -- Will Rogers
13. If you think health care is
expensive now, wait until you
see what it costs when it's free!
-- P. J. O'Rourke
14. In general, the art of government
consists of taking as much
money as possible from one
party of the citizens to give to
the other. -- Voltaire (1764)
15. Just because you do not take an
interest in politics doesn't mean
politics won't take an interest
in you! -- Pericles (430 B.C.)
16. No man's life, liberty, or
property is safe while the
legislature is in session.
-- Mark Twain (1866)
17. Talk is cheap, except when
Congress does it. -- Anonymous
or (the School Board does it) 18. The government is like a baby's
Amen! alimentary canal, with a happy
appetite at one end and no
responsibility at the other.
-- Ronald Reagan
19. The inherent vice of capitalism is
the unequal sharing of the
blessings. The inherent blessing
of socialism is the equal sharing
; of misery. -- Winston Churchill
20. The only difference between a
tax man and a taxidermist is that
the taxidermist leaves the skin.
-- Mark Twain
21. The ultimate result of shielding
men from the effects of folly is
to fill the world with fools.
-- Herbert Spencer, English
Philosopher (1820-1903)
22. There is no distinctly Native
American criminal class, save
Congress. -- Mark Twain
23. What this country needs are
more unemployed politicians
--Edward Langley,
Artist (1928-1995)
24. A government big enough to give
you everything you want, is
strong enough to take everything
you have. -- Thomas Jefferson
25. We hang the petty thieves and
appoint the great ones to public
office. -- Aesop
If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road."
—C.S. Lewis
Who is C.S. Lewis:
Clive Staples Lewis, commonly called C. S. Lewis and known to his friends and family as "Jack", was a novelist, poet, academic, medievalist, literary critic, essayist, lay theologian, and Christian apologist. Wikipedia
"Throughout history, supposedly enlightened elite's have been able to convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The fact that they have always been wrong before does not, somehow, lead them to question those assumptions in the present day, because this is such a convenient belief to have."
It's A "Different Thingy" Going On
What's Orchestrated And Organized Behind The Curtain?
USD 282 Documents
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Documents Pertaining To The Survey
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jafrey Financial
https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
Elk County Govt
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
So folks remember you have the power to change things for the positive.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.[/color][/b][/center]
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
Who is the Elite? Once again the citizens of Elk Co. that went to the meeting that you left is where the ideas on page one came from. You have been told numerous times to contact Dana Mills for proof that these ideas were not made up by Elk Konnected.
Quote from: Nancy on March 03, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
Who is the Elite? Once again the citizens of Elk Co. that went to the meeting that you left is where the ideas on page one came from. You have been told numerous times to contact Dana Mills for proof that these ideas were not made up by Elk Konnected.
Very good question you have there!
Who is the elite?
What does it mean to you?
I do believe most people can figure that out for themselves.
I don't tell anyone what to believe, do you?
No, I don't recall being told to contact Dana Mills!
And why should I?
Is she 21st Century?
Does she have a computer?
Does she have a desire to discuss the list?
This forum is open to everyone.
If she has something to say, I'm sure everyone would love to hear it?
But at the time the list came out
Elk Konnected made it clear there were no names attached to a single one of those silly ideas. The list was compiled by
Elk Konnected, at a so called
Kommunity Konversation. Consequently they are
Elk Konnected's ideas. Nancy are you
Elk Konnected or just a
Follower? The reason I ask is, how do you know she has proof?
If there are no names, how can there be proof?
And why wasn't the proof given back when the thread was fresh?
Last nights Special School Board Meeting started out with a plate stacked high with cheese and crackers on one end of the table and a plate filled full of (what looked like) Snicker Doodle's and M&M cookies and bottled water all the around the table.
Where are these peoples couth and manners! I mean as a small child my mother taught me better manners than what these adults sitting on this School Board have! My mother taught me, if there wasn't enough food for everyone that it is very impolite to eat in front of others. Maybe, their mamma's never taught them manners, because the manners don't show at any of these very public meetings.
I wonder who pays for all that gratuity any way?
And, I thought gratuty was disallowed !
It ain't free !
Probably paid for out of the kids educational monies !
You know what I'm talking about, yours and my property tax dollars !
Merrium-Webster
gra•tu•ity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service.
Just where is the couth in any of that?
Does the School Board have any couth?
On to the meat of the School Board Meeting, with the lack of ability of wanting the audience to hear what they are saying, except when they have the telephone on speaker, talking with someone. And all the whispering between members during an open public records meeting, it's just plain difficult to catch everything.
Wait a moment someone is reaching for the cheese and crackers.
Okay, like I was saying just can't hear much but I did hear the President ask, do I hear a motion? Then everything got real quiet for about a minute and nothing as if the question was never asked. Do you reckon the President of the board has an opposite problem of mine and hears things?
It was mentioned that the roof and air conditioners should not be included in the bond issue, because they have the money to pay for that. A side note here, they were advised a couple of years ago by a university study of West Elk to do that work a little each year and they ignored the advice! Brilliant move, just sit back and wait for inflation to make it more expensive, right?
It was also mentioned to leave the new Gymnasium off of the ballot, you can guess how long that idea lasted!
It was also mentioned to reduce the size of the class rooms, what a surprise to me. They don't want them luxurious 800 square foot rooms for 12 to 14 students per child?
Can I suggest you cut down some of those luxurious class rooms and make a new class room out of the left overs! I do believe your architect told you that was a possibility.
Mentioned, build low end class rooms. But, I didn't hear that about the new Gymnasium, I wonder why?
School Board Whetstone asked if the could put more than one question on the bond issue ballot. So a phone call was put in to Piper Jaffery with phone put on speaker. And there is another reach for cheese and crackers and someone else reaches for cookies. Do you want cornfusion on the ballot?
The call is made and now the board members can be heard. They speak up so as to be heard across the room on the telephone. Other wise it is like they don't want to be heard. They had already been advised at the previous meeting, when the Piper Jaffery person was standing right there in their presents, that it was not a good idea. But he was kind enough to tell them it can be done just like the told the first time he told them.
One idea is to have you vote for the class rooms as one and also include a spot to vote for the Gymnasium. They could ask as an "either" or as an "and".
Meaning one or the other passes, if it is an either. If it is an "and" if the second one doesn't pass, neither passes. More cornfusion!
Another question asked of Piper Jaffery was how much of an explanation can they put on the ballot. Answer: Very Little. LOL Have these people ever voted and looked at a ballot?
It simply sounds like desperation to me, by trying to trick you out of your vote.
Another member wanted to know if they could seal off a couple of the exit doors, so they could put a class room there. Answer from the Superintendent was no they are required for emergency exits. He also stated that the two doors should be locked to the outside for security reasons. And I can almost say with certainty, that he said the doors are being used all the time. My question is what happened to security? Aren't they terrified of a gunman entering the building?
Another question to Piper Jaffer was, what is the last day to register to vote for the bond issue. Folks the last day to register is 20 days before the day of the vote.
Board Member Black showed up at 7:04 pm, over a half hour late!
Board Member Bellar made a very good suggestion in my opinion!
He said, I think we should look around we don't know what all is out there.
He said we should ask for bids from architects and perhaps we don't have to settle for a flat roof and get a roof with a pitch to it. This is not word for word, but the point is someone is doing some critical thinking. At a previous meeting he stated we should stick with what we need. Some more critical thinking in my opinion.
But the response to his suggestion was, we have already spent $19,000 with our present architect and we can't do all that other stuff in time, so we have to stick with what we got in order to get a June Bond Issue vote. Is that some critical thinking?
Just what is the real goal --- Spend --- Spend --- Spend ? ? ?
Them Cheese & Crackers and Cookies just keep on moving.
But the issue seems stalled.
Good night folks.
My monthly utility company rag or a magazine came today! That's it "Kansas Country Living".
I wonder if the company even reads some of the drivel they put in this magazine?
I sometimes enjoy some of the recipes, because they are real. Sure I cook and have for many years.
But would you believe an article titled,
"Community Health Needs A Personal Trainer". WHAT ?
Drivel -------------- Drivel ---------------- Drivel --------------- IMO . . . period, period, period.
Communities need "personal trainers" to help produce their wellness.
In my opinion communities need less busy bodies, that want to attempt total control of the community. It is these so call "personal trainers" and the small groups that are what causes the illness, the division in the actual community. IMO!
They seem to always talk leadership but don't appear to appreciate and work within the system of leadership elected to do the jobs they are voted in to office to do.
Why is that?
Where do you get leadership out of a bad attitude?
Where do you get leadership if you don't run for the office?
Where do you get leadership by leading a gang and demanding your way?
Where do you get leadership out of a one way communication?
You do not get leadership that way, no way Jose.
That's not leadership, sorry to have to break the news to you!
Using fables and science fiction or any kind of fiction is not leadership ---- either.
A true leader would listen to the people in a two way conversation without being defensive!
A true leader would listen to the people in a two way conversation without being fearful!
A true leader would listen to the people in a two way conversation and lead by following!
A true leader would lead without the want of power to control everything!
A true leader would share with those that they lead!
A true leader would work along side those that choose to follow, not above them!
A true leader listens!
If you only have the attention of a very few people in a community involved you must surely realize you have nothing, the same applies on a job.
In the Puget Sound Nuclear Naval Shipyard I would be given a job assignment and 10 to 15 young men and women to accomplish the task. We would head out to the particular ship as a group and have unguided conversations about various subjects. Once on the job site I would explain what we were to accomplish as a team. At first these very young men and women asked if I was going to stand over them and make sure they did their job right. And I said, "No". You know what to do and I am going to do my share of the work. And a response was what if I screw up. I said come and get me and we will straighten the problem together. Their confidence soared and I got so much work out of each person it was incredible. And I was proud of each and every one of them and I let them know it. On the way back to the shop at quitting time I would tell them to just look at how much we accomplished as a team and how we worked circles around the other groups. And this was a daily routine. After a time of working together an urgent job came up for the shop that required a speedy repair and our group was chosen to do the job. We performed the, job well under the required time and received special recognition. My crew tried to put the praise off on me and I said no way this crew worked extremely well together and each and everyone of them deserved the praise. I sure miss working with those young folks. I didn't need praise because I had pride in my crew. Oh, I have a bunch of stories like this from my 50 + years I the labor force. No, I wasn't always in leadership positions and from time to time I had to work my way back to a leadership position. My first leadership position was a real learning experience, I almost lost some teeth, I said almost, I thanked the guy later, for the lesson.
Leadership can be studied but it takes real life experience to respectfully practice it.
I lead by example; not by saying I'm smarter than you. I listened to my workers.
Writing an article in a magazine desperate for an article saying I went to leadership school is simply spinning your wheels. IMO
And a circle of grade school chairs is just that and toss in the little colored kindergarten stars, wow!
I am not asking you to believe a word of the above.
But I will ask that you believe I am a has been, a retired has been.
And it is great! LOL
Good night.
Quote from: Nancy on March 03, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
Who is the Elite? Once again the citizens of Elk Co. that went to the meeting that you left is where the ideas on page one came from. You have been told numerous times to contact Dana Mills for proof that these ideas were not made up by Elk Konnected.
Quote from: ROSS on March 03, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
Very good question you have there!
Who is the elite?
What does it mean to you?
I do believe most people can figure that out for themselves.
I don't tell anyone what to believe, do you?
No, I don't recall being told to contact Dana Mills!
And why should I?
Is she 21st Century?
Does she have a computer?
Does she have a desire to discuss the list?
This forum is open to everyone.
If she has something to say, I'm sure everyone would love to hear it?
But at the time the list came out Elk Konnected made it clear there were no names attached to a single one of those silly ideas. The list was compiled by Elk Konnected, at a so called Kommunity Konversation. Consequently they are Elk Konnected's ideas.
Nancy are you Elk Konnected or just a Follower?
The reason I ask is, how do you know she has proof?
If there are no names, how can there be proof?
And why wasn't the proof given back when the thread was fresh?
Nancy I was sure I'd have had a response from you by now.
I hope all is well with you.
This is just a reminder that I am interested in your input.
Let me repeat the important question:
Nancy are you
Elk Konnected or just a
Follower?I anxiously await your response. Thank you.
This may very well be good news for rural Kansas. Sounds like this might eventually lead to an
Increase in State Funding for our School Districts.
And Hopefully Less School District Property Taxation!
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KS Supreme Court: Legislators made 'unconstitutional' school funding choices
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
OSAWATOMIE, Kan. — In a long-awaited decision, the Kansas Supreme Court on Friday ruled that state lawmakers created "unconstitutional" and "unreasonable wealth-based disparities" by withholding certain state aid payments to public schools.
While the legal battle leading up to the decision has been a four-year slog since the lawsuit's initial filing in 2010, much of Friday's ruling boiled down to the court's interpretation of what is considered equitable and adequate education funding.
Read the full court decision here.
While the Supreme Court unanimously upheld a lower court decision regarding the state's failure to equitably disburse capital outlay and supplemental general payments to Sunflower State schools, it stopped short of issuing a decree for specific funding to meet the Legislature's constitutional requirement to provide an "adequate" education.
"Under the facts of this case, the district court panel did not apply the correct test to determine whether the State met its duty to provide adequacy in K-12 public education as required under Article 6 of the Kansas Constitution," the court decision stated, explaining that any decision about total funding levels would be bounced back to Shawnee County District Court for further consideration.
Supreme Court justices stated in the opinion that addressing concerns relating to equal state aid payments also could affect assessment of overall education funding.
Dave Trabert, president of the Kansas Policy Institute, a pro-free-market think tank, said the partial reversal of the lower court's decision was huge.
"That's a tremendous victory to say that 'you can't just say total spending is the measure,'" Trabert told Kansas Watchdog.
The Legislature was given an ultimatum to fix unequal capital outlay and supplemental general state aid payments by no later than July 1, or face court intervention. Following the ruling, plaintiffs told the Topeka Capital-Journal the state would need to appropriate $80 million to $150 million to comply with the judicial decision.
While it's a far cry from the roughly $500 million a trio of Shawnee County District Court judges said the state needed to provide in January 2013, equalization payments are still a large chunk of change, and with the decision on overall funding still up in the air, it's yet to be seen how the Legislature will respond.
"With no police force and no ability to sanction or punish lawmakers, the court would have no way to make the Legislature comply," said Chapman Rackaway, political science professor at Fort Hays State University. "If the Legislature wants to ignore the court's decision they are perfectly within their rights to do it. It would only be with a massive revolt by voters ousting lawmakers who participated in ignoring the decision that there would be any consequences to defying the court."
Supreme Court justices, though, made one thing abundantly clear: They are not about to back down from this fight.
"Just as only the people of Kansas have the authority to change the standards in their constitution, the Supreme Court of Kansas has the final authority to determine adherence to the standards of the people's constitution," the ruling stated.
http://watchdog.org/131672/supreme-court-school-funding/
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Brownback said, " I will work with leadership in the Kansas Senate and House to determine a path forward that honors our tradition of providing a quality education to every child and that keeps our schools open, our teachers teaching and our students learning."
Gov. Sam Brownback issued a statement Thursday ahead of the ruling.
"I have repeatedly stated and believe funding schools is the most important thing state government does," Brownback said. "The centerpiece of my agenda for the 2014 legislative session is to increase Kansas's investment in all-day Kindergarten, which is long overdue and a true path forward."
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If the so called leaders practiced what they preach with out being forced to practice what they preach.
Now if our Local School Board recognized providing a quality education to every child and keeping teachers teaching and our students learning does not entail doubling the size of a school designed to hold 600 children when only 300 attend and there continues to be a decline in local population. And Also that it does not entail building a second gymnasium to support a sport complex. Education takes place in the class room.
Ask your self how many thousands of dollars have been spent on a super sport complex for this small school?
Yes, at School Board Meetings I have heard the expression concerning sports, that they want to be more PROFESSIONAL. We don't have a single professional team connected with our School District do we?
Where is that attitude concerning School Board Meetings?
Attend a School Board Meeting sometime and you might feel like you have been transported back to the 1950's in the Kentucky mountains expecting to see spittoons sittin thar on the floor.
Where is that attitude for improving educational standards?
Most high school students wanting to go to college have to take remedial reading and math in college. Is that what you call being educated in K-12?
Will you continue to support such a waste of Educational Money on Some ones desire to have a Premier Sport Complex with increased Property Taxation?
We often hear through Economic Development that taxation is bad for the economy, so why support something that is bad all the way around.
I guess we will find out June 3!
And we will probably find out that the School Board wasted yet another $3000.00 educational dollars on the voting process. They claimed this vote will not pass during a School Board Meeting and yet they are going to go through with it at the cost of $3000.00 educational dollars. When they could just wait for the November Elections and not be out $3000.00 educational dollars. But what the heck they said they are going to do it again in November.
Apparently they have educational dollars to waste, trying to wear you down for a yes vote for a new sports gymnasium not education.
Ross -
Have you talked with your School Board representative about these issues? What kind of response do you get from your elected representative?
I haven't gone to a meeting in a couple of years, so I'm not sure of the opinions of the individual members.
Quote from: Mom70x7 on March 08, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
Ross -
Have you talked with your School Board representative about these issues? What kind of response do you get from your elected representative?
I haven't gone to a meeting in a couple of years, so I'm not sure of the opinions of the individual members.
Surely you jest?
Individuals, I really don't think so !
I know a few of them are Elk Konnected and my guess is the majority of the others are.
I only truly think one is probably not Elk Konnected.
You know all those like minded folks, where does individuality come in here?
Myself and perhaps two or more other people asked the President of the School Board to Record the School Meetings Board Meetings and make them available on the taxpayer supported web site just like they did with the Public Visit in the School Auditorium. (The video lacks any display of video intelligence not even the slightest sign of amateurism, but it apparently served their plan and purpose).
The President of the School Board acted like any other politician. He stated, "We could do that!"
And has never attempted to do it.
Why do you suppose that is?
Perhaps, because they don't want you or anyone else to know what happens at those meetings?
How's that for a response from an elected representative, Mom70x7 ?
Has the School Board bothered posting the budget or the other public documents i.e. the bills from the contractors or the architect bills or the bills for work on the softball and football field's bills? Did they post the cost savings of closing down the two grade schools? Did they post how much the portable buildings cost and the cost of installation. Not no, but hell no! Why, because they don't want you to know, that's why!
The portable buildings set the district a Half a Million Dollars, and they want to dispose of them!I posted a lot of that information for you, if you have any interest in knowing. There are links in previous posts in this thread.
This is all public information and should be available to the taxpayer on the School web site. Ask yourself why it isn't available ?
This is a public school, supported by Kansas and County public taxes. It is not a private school operated for profits. Therefore everything is public information with the exception of Disciplinary Actions.
The school has made the statement that us old folks, don't understand the importance of Technology.
I'd like to rephrase that!
The School Board wishes, we did not understand the importance of Technology.I asked to see a copy of the School Board by-laws, they call them policy, back the first of December. I was told they had pieces of it everywhere and that they were I the process of updating it. They then told me it would be posted on the web site over Christmas break. Guess what, it is March 8th and it is still not posted. They made a spot for it on the web site, but it is empty. WHY?
Are we so naïve, to believe the school board has the best interest of the students or the taxpayer or the general public in mind ?
The School Board paid good money for advice and have failed and I mean failed miserably to follow the advice.
The School Board received free advice from a University that is skilled in their dealings with School Districts and have failed and I mean failed miserably to follow the advice.
We have a School Board in my opinion that is a complete and total failure.
A School Board may be very well Konnected, IMHO!.
There is just one Board Member that in my opinion that has had anything intelligent to say!
He said we need to be sensible and stick with what we need.
Oh, there was another person that said a bond issue will not pass, but that was bad news for him?
These are just my opinion and I am not asking anyone to believe any of it.
Go find out, do a little work on your own and come back and express yourself.
I just received my notice of the School Board Meeting for Monday March 10th at 6:30 p.m.
Under Discussion/Action Items the first thing is AOG Request to Address Board.
I believe AOG is the Assembly of God Church next door to the West Elk School Property.
I wonder if they are ready to lease to the West Elk School District for $1000.00 a month allowing the school to use their facility for sports practice? I guess I'll have to wait and see, huh?
This is followed by Architect interviews.
Wow! Shouldn't that been the first thing they should have done on a project like this?
Amazing just amazing.
Next: Approval to Republish Budget.
And now tada:
Facility Planning - Resolution to Construct New Facilities Through a Bond Issue.
And this one I don't understand!
Suggested Motion:
Mr. President, I move that we go into executive session to discuss non-elected personnel and students to protect the privacy interests identifiable individuals and to discuss negotiations to protect the public interest
in negotiating a fair and equitable contract and to include Juli Young and Bert Moore.
What I am going to be asking is what kind of contract with the School Board is private, when this is a public entity?
The first part of this statement is always used, I bet most of the times students are not even involved.
I think the School Board could be a bit more honest with the public in their statements, don't you?
Just my opinion.
Honety is the best policy! Remember that teaching from childhood.
Corruption in a very small town !
(see at bottom of this post)
We don't tend to our own local business !
We need to clean up our own back yards
before we can straighten up the
States or Federal Governments back yards.
Don't you think?
Do you think corruption could not happen here ?
Do you think it couldn't happen in a School District ?
Isn't it your job to monitor what happens with your tax dollar ?
Why aren't the School Board Meetings digitally recorded
and made available
on the taxpayers paid for West Elk Web site?
Why aren't the monthly West Elk Public budgets
posted on the taxpayers paid for West Elk web site ?
Why did the School Administration fail to provide public information
requested under the Freedom of Information Act,
concerning overtime pay in 2013?
Ask questions.
Do not assume that people
in positions of authority
are working for the good
of the community.
http://www.iror.org/political_insights.asp
Haven't we already been called
Boobs and Social Idiots ?
Kansas Law CC §21-6001 State Ethics and Public Corruption LawsWith the intent to improperly influence a public official, offering, giving or promising to give, directly or indirectly, to any public official any
benefit,
reward or
consideration which the public official is not permitted by law to accept.
Intentionally requesting,
receiving or agreeing to receive, directly or indirectly, any
benefit ewardor consideration/b], which the public official is not permitted by law to accept, with the intent to improperly influence such public official.
[color=redesn't this include salesmen's coffee cups, ink pens, and other people or organizations providing cheese and crackers, cookies and bottled water ? The law does not say small amounts do not count. does it?[/color]
TALLAHASSEE -- Say goodbye to Hampton, Florida. Lawmakers said Monday they plan to file legislation this spring abolishing the tiny town of 477 people in the wake of a scathing audit that found widespread financial mismanagement and led last week to the resignation of north Florida town's entire staff.
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Quote from: Mom70x7 on March 08, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
Ross -
Have you talked with your School Board representative about these issues? What kind of response do you get from your elected representative?
I haven't gone to a meeting in a couple of years, so I'm not sure of the opinions of the individual members.
Ross -
You responded to the 2nd half of my post, not the first. What does your school board representative have to say about your concerns?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on March 09, 2014, 09:57:28 AM
Ross -
You responded to the 2nd half of my post, not the first. What does your school board representative have to say about your concerns?
I do not believe I have a properly elected School Board Representative.
How's that for an answer.
And you know what, I happen to think that the majority of the School Board Members are more Representative of Elk Konnected much in the same fashion our County Commissioners use to be, until we got one Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners voted out of office.
Even after that happened, Elk Konnected fought for the Konnected County Employee by coming to a County Commissioners Meeting.
We all know that is thread is being watched by a lot of people and I'd bet By Elk Konnected.
We could get some answers right here along with some open an honest dialog, if the School Board Members cared to have an open and honest dialog. Very Simple.
I hope that answers the second part of your question! My personal opinion.
Have a great day.
QuoteMr. President, I move that we go into executive session to discuss non-elected personnel and students to protect the privacy interests identifiable individuals and to discuss negotiations to protect the public interest
in negotiating a fair and equitable contract and to include Juli Young and Bert Moore.
QuoteWhat I am going to be asking is what kind of contract with the School Board is private, when this is a public entity?
When it is an executive session, it IS private....not for public, as it may contain not-for public information per Statute. This is not to say it is 'secret' as you may like to think, or implant into our minds.
This meeting is non public information regarding the firing, wages/negotiations, names of underage people involved in issues and/or other discussions that fall into this category. Please don't spin this into something that it is not.
Ross, Ross, Ross. Take a deep breath. Not EVERYONE is out to get you. ....Well, maybe
Hope all is well with you, irrespective of your blogging.
just remember: being misinformed combined with having guts make for a deadly combination.
ready
However,
Quote from: readyaimduck on March 09, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
When it is an executive session, it IS private....not for public, as it may contain not-for public information per Statute. This is not to say it is 'secret' as you may like to think, or implant into our minds.
This meeting is non public information regarding the firing, wages/negotiations, names of underage people involved in issues and/or other discussions that fall into this category. Please don't spin this into something that it is not.
Ross, Ross, Ross. Take a deep breath. Not EVERYONE is out to get you. ....Well, maybe
Hope all is well with you, irrespective of your blogging.
just remember: being misinformed combined with having guts make for a deadly combination.
ready
However,
Hi Ready good to hear from you.
Everything is Hunky Dory here.
No ma'am I don't figure any one is out to get me. Not worried about that in the least.
What I was referring to was the statement, "and to
discuss negotiations to protect the public interest
in
negotiating a fair and equitable contract and to include Juli Young and Bert Moore."
The question was what is private in negation's and contracts with the School Board? It doesn't say that, this part involves students or disciplinary actions. Very few actions fall under Executive Session.
I don't hear anyone saying the School Board is spinning anything, but that was their attempt with their 3 School Board Members at the High School Auditorium. Remember they only had three to avoid a quorum and avoid having to make it an official Board Meeting and not have to document the action. Do you realize the School Board hasn't asked for any sealed bids on their project, which I believe is standard operating procedures for governmental agencies?
They don't even know what they want to do. Last I knew they were talking several amounts for the Bod Issue they plan to deal with tomorrow night. They have figures for $3 Million, $6 Million and $7.5 Million!
Do you reckon they will ask for all three? I don't!
But I think they will ask for enough for their sport complex building design and leave the rest for a class room or two. Maybe!
I sure hope you are enjoying todays beautiful weather as I am.
I'm headed back outside. TTYL
West Elk USD 282 School Board Meeting 3/10/14
I'm sticking my neck out there, all I ask is you use a very sharp knife. Thank you.
I'm just telling it like I see it.
There is just so much to tell and it is not very glamorous.
There is just nothing professional about these events.
School Board Members show up as much as an hour and 41 minutes late.
Another School Board Member gets up and walks out during the middle of the meeting for about 20 minutes before returning.
School Board Members sit with their backs t o the public while smacking on meat rolls and cookies. No couth, no professionalism at all. Very shameful in my personal opinion. Are these Walmart people? If they don't feel insulted, they should.
The only people that can speak up like a man are the various entities invted to the meeting, i.e. contractor, architects, oh School Board Member Bellar and
occasionally School Board Member Black, and the Schools Coach always speaks up like a man. I wonder what is wrong, with the rest of the Boards voices.
I mean it is just shameful in my opinion. And no protocol. Terrible.
Just a big cluster #$%2, er nuclear mess.
This is kind of pretty compared to School board meetings IMO!
I admit, I can't hear everything at this supposedly public meeting, partly due to my hearing loss (I asked that they speak up in accordance with the Americans with Disability Act, but
they fail to comply with the law), but also I can't hear everything because of whispering and private conversations. I do believe that private conversations during the public meetings fail to comply with the open meeting laws at least it is rude, anyway! And there's the rude act of mouthing with no verbal clear, down the table from the President to another School Board Member while a School Board Member is talking.
Extremely rude in my opinion. Does this give you an idea why they won't video record these meetings and put them on them on the West Elk web site? It is a terrible sight and totally unprofessional School Board Meeting.
School Board Member Black shows up for the meeting at 7:41. Apparently these meetings are of little importance to him. What if students showed up for class late every day?
What action would the School Board take?
Their conduct just upsets me something fierce. The total disrespect through rudeness shown by some School Board Member towards other School Board Members is deplorable. I don't even think, these people realize they are being rude.
I'll be back later to post information about last nights
discombobulated School Board Meeting.
No real leader, no real President of a real School Board would permit such
discombobulating at a public meeting. A real leader would lead and correct the Problems and not be a part of it. A real leader would require decorum and respect of his self and the other board members. Decorum = behavior in keeping with good taste and propriety.
I wish a few people would come to a School Board meeting and observe the circus for yourself.
I will post information later about what took place during the meeting probably tomorrow or Thursday. I have a very busy day today and have to get busy with my work.
I apologize for the inconvenience.
The Meeting 03/10/14
Commenced the meeting a couple of minutes late with the Pledge of allegiance.
School Board Member Black no show.
AOG – Assembly of God Church was there to discuss their facility use by the School District.
Fire security is fifty percent complete and when completed the information will go to the fire marshal for final approval. Total completion expected late summer.
School Board Member Bellar made a motion to use the church next fall as a gymnasium.
It appeared no one wants to commit to it. More on this later in the meeting.
Architect Interviews;
President of the Board asks if 3 million dollars is enough to build what they want.
8 class rooms and a gymnasium. Architect says systems are a great expense and a great maintenance expense.
PBA Architect
There was talk of a metal building for the gymnasium to save money.
Architect says Metal building with brick veneer 5.5 million dollars.
President asks if there is a way to get the cost down.
Architect says take stuff off and maybe get 25% off but suggest no more than 20% . (Please remember this one,)
Architect says Cut too much off and it causes problems f or them and the school district.
PBA Architect reminded the School Board they worked with them a year ago.
The School Superintendent then started questioning the School Board about their time line for voting.
Are they changing the time line or holding on to it?
Possibly leave bleachers out of the new Gymnasium.
(not a storm shelter after all)
PBA Architect apologizes for previous problems.
PBA Architect says hire who you want and you need to ask who you trust.
He also said the School Board is not ready to go to 5.2 million dollars and he can not come down to 3 million dollars.
Team Architect: Two men.
We pay the architect for bond issue.
PBA Architect says the new gym would be a grade school level of a gym. Grade school basketball hoops. Minimal stuff.
School Board Member Whetsone asked if there would be a scoreboard.
Architect says no scoreboard.
A high school level Gymnasium would cost much more.
The architects keep saying you are on a tight budget.
School Board Members talk of using capital outlay money. And fluff money. And raising the mil levy.
Architect says there will be base line bidding.
All trades will bid.
It will be Design-Bid-Build.
One of the two guys says he went to Moline Grade School some of you may have gone to school with me. (What does this have to do with business; it is not a class reunion).
Architect says tin building with brick veneer is not a good idea because of movement of the building which causes roof to leak. And only a 30 year expected life span. There were lots of questions about firewalls.
(Shouldn't all the questions and options be worked out before a bond issue is proposed?)
Construction Manager:
The man says I can not work except under an architect therefore you can not hire me.
So I will tell you, you can not build a grade school and a gymnasium for 3 million dollars.
Metal buildings do move – sway - and causes roof leaks. You would be going cheap.
School Board President says we may have to go to 4 million and use fluff money and Mil Levy.
Huh! What is fluff money. I have never heard of such a thing.
(Tax on top of tax. Will we allow them to get started?)
School board Black after showing up late at 7:41 p.m. had to back track over the Assembly of God presentation. Wanted to know if they would use the church building instead of building a new gymnasium. (more on this later).
7:55 p.m. School Board Member Whetstone leaves the meeting and returns at 8:13 p.m.
PBA Architect says he needs something to take to the state. A School Board Member asks how soon the Architect needs that. The Architect says get it to the state by the middle of March in order to have a Bond Issue by June 3, he says that means now, right now.
My (Ross) opinion: If that doesn't sound like a School Board made crisis, I don't know what is!
School Board Member Bellar says this can't happen. The citizens won't buy it.
We should go with the Assembly of God plan. (more on this later) We should wait until we have all our ducks in a row. Or just build only the grade school.
(Yes, School Board Member Bellar you are showing some common sense and Critical Thinking! That is the idea School Board Member Bellar, the rest of the School Board has known and understood this from the beginning. That is why the School Board Members plan on doing it again in November, just six months later. They want to fool us and wear us down until they can spend money freely. I do believe some of the School Board believes like the editor, that we are a bunch of Boobs and Social Idiots.)
Motion to hire PBA Architect, seconded. All in favor say aye. One voted nay. School Board Member Whetstone not back yet, so no vote from him.
(This is why a responsible School Board Member should not just walk out of a meeting. Instead a responsible School Board Member would ask that the School Board take a short break.)
Assembly of God Issues Revisited by the School Board :
Children walking back and forth to Assembly of God in foul weather. Children will play in mud puddles and take mud into facilities.
Non-exclusive use of the Church meaning if there is a wedding, a funeral or a Church event during the School Day we would not be able to use the Church that day.
School Board Member Black says we are not calling it Grade School Class Rooms, just class rooms.
(School Board Member Black you just did call them "Grade School Rooms", sounds to me like you are attempting to run a con on us the voters. Why? I think we can figure that out! Thank You.)
School Board Member Whetstone says Assembly of God Gymnasium is like comparing Apples and Oranges. We should talk to the teachers about this and consider them the experts on building EDUCATION.
( Are we to understand that he will settle for nothing less than a gymnasium?)
(Some Teachers may possibly be considered experts on building EDUCATION, but that is not the same thing as building infrastructure or negotiating construction costs and taxation of property owners is it. Besides if they were experts in building EDUCATION I'd bet they would be in jobs of that nature that have far better pay than a teacher. I think you are using the word expert far too loosely simply to meet your own ends and to misdirect. And, I believe your goal is a new Gymnasium over everything else. I believe the School Board is using the Grade School Class Rooms only for the purpose of obtaining a larger sports complex. Let's not forget the present school building was designed and built to handle 600 students and we only have 300 enrolled.)
The Physical Education Teacher is allowed the floor. Ad he says, there are too many problems with using the Assembly of God Church as a gymnasium that could become a nightmare.
It would take 5 to 7 minutes to go back and forth to the Church which would leave 8 minutes for Phys Ed and this does not meet with the State requirements. He also stated that there could be even more problems with getting handicapped children back and forth and also take more time.
It would be better to keep the kids in our present gymnasium and place the safety net across the center of the gymnasium floor. Much Safer and Better he says.
(I believe the Physical Education Teacher makes excellent points and only has the children's best interest at heart on this one.)
The School Principle says use County Recreational money. I whispered to her that the County Recreational money is allocated to the communities. Where upon she responds Howard Recreational Money then.
(I guess she doesn't realize that their are state laws attached to that money. And my bet is that District School Districts are not included in the use of that money. The School District is a separate taxing entity and no other taxing entity is responsible for it's financing. I thought they understood that when they thought about going after County money for transportation money from, explicitly the Wind Farm money. Understand please the Wind Farm money is Pay in Lieu of Taxes and is not just free money floating around in space. It is county money! Now we are talking Apples and Oranges for sure. Would this be what they are referring to FLUFF money? I just don't understand FLUFF money!)
The School Principle also said, she is concerned about separation of Church and State.
The School Board President said I guess the public is okay with children getting hurt.
(How asinine, how rude of him to use children in such a crude fashion, just because he wants a new gymnasium for his children. To me some of these folks are just plain incorrigible.)
The School Board President says to the School Board, I don't know what you want? What do you guys want?
(See no communications, no real conversations, no real discussions on this matter!)
The School Board President says, My children won't get any enjoyment out of a new gym. My kids will probably graduate before a new gym is built.
(Sounds like it really is about him building a new gymnasium for his kids, doesn't it? Mr. School Board President what happened to all that Critical Thinking you want to teach at West Elk. One of the main principals of Critical is to put aside all prejudices. Your children is one of those prejudices in wanting a new gymnasium.)
(Mr. School Board President while School Board Member Bellar was trying to make a motion at this time what was that mouthing thing clear down the table to School Board Member Whetstone with no verbal sound. What was that private message during an Open Public Meeting? Whatever it was it was at the height of rudeness. Have you no shame! This sort of stuff, should out of protocol, never happen at an Open Public School Board Meeting. As President of the Board and in the leadership position you should not permit it let alone participate in it. Where is the couth, Where is the refinement, Where is the Leadership.)
School Board Member Bellar made a motion to have a 2 million dollar bond issue to build only the Grade School class rooms. The motion died.
Another motion was made to change the resolution to reflect a 4 million dollar bond issue.
(Doesn't this reflect that the Gymnasium is the most important part of this whole issue? It really isn't about the need for class rooms is it? I'd refer you back to the School Board President's remarks about his children and the gymnasium!)
(A student just approached the School Principal and she told him to get a copy of the agenda and bring it to her. When he did, she signed it and returned it to the student and he left the meeting. I assume he was required to attend a School Board meeting. I'd hope he learned this is the improper way to hold a School Board Meeting.)
School Board President says there may be money left over from the bond issue and we can use that money.
Technician Report:
KITE Kansas Assessment is not working right . I keep hearingthey will get it fixed. School Superintendent said they have been saying that for 6 months.
(I had to google that and KITE stands for Kansas Interactive Testing Engine. More information at http://www.cete.ku.edu/kansas-assessment-program .)
Principal Report:
I posted basketball video on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glIbN0PwPrM a School Web site.
4th Graders are making bracelets to sell and make money.
That's all for now folks. I apologize for taking so long to post this.
Make of it what you will!
Color and emphasis is mine.Well lookie here! They didn't waste a single moment!
Front page of todays rag- The Prairie Star.
West Elk board
Notifies local patrons
Of a school bond proposal
Taxpayers and patrons of USD282- West Elk are being notified with a legal notice in today's Prairie Star that a bond election will be sought to make certain improvements to the campus in Howard.
(Mr. Editor West Elk is not in Howard, can't you report the facts as they really are.
Also for your information West Elk is no more a Howard School than it is a Moline School. It is a District School in Elk County.)Details of the proposed project will be spelled out in forth coming editions of the Prairie Star. The purpose of the legal notice is to notify taxpayers that the school board has intentions to move forward with the bond proposal in the amount of $4 million.
There is more to read in the paper, I just wanted to let you know they wasted no time at all because of the Architect saying that is had to be done now.
Page 11 says:Public Notice
Published in the Prairie Star
March 12, 2014
NOTICE
PUBLICATION OF INTENT
TO FILE AN APPLICATION
FOR PERMISSION TO
VOTE AND ISSUE SCHOOL
BONDS IN EXCESS OF
THE DISTRICT'S GENERAL
BOND DEBIT LIMITATIONS
(There is more in the news paper)
I just wanted to point out that they are
ASKING the State Board of Education in Topeka, Kansas for
PERMISSION to vote general obligation BONDS in
EXCESS of the Districts general
BOND DEBT LIMITATIONS.
Whoopsie Doo ! CRISIS ALERT ! CRISIS ALERT ! CRISIS ALERT ! CRISIS ALERT ! CRISIS ALERT ! CRISIS ALERT !
HAS THE WEST ELK SCHOOL BOARD
CREATED A MAJOR
CRISIS
FOR THEMSELVES ?
At the last School Board Meeting they couldn't get a
consensus on what this construction they have been working on as School Board Member Black said for
the last two years.
Yes, folks two years. (Isn't that when we voted on a new Grade School Bond and they received a resounding
"NO" from the
voters? Isn't that when and the way it happened?)
Back to the crisis with
no solid plan on what or how to build
"if" they should get a bond issue approved by the state and the biggest
"IF" it passes they have to have a plan first don't they before they start building. I'm thinking the crisis is that they have to have a plan before the election and have that plan approved by the Architect to come in under the
$4 million the School Board is asking for.
Oops sorry I may have got the cart before the horse, you know like the School Board does on everything.
The CRISIS accentuated: I received a phone call shortly after nine a.m. this morning from the West Elk Administration. They informed me I would be receiving a notice in the mail of a Special School Board Meeting Friday, but that I should ignore it because, they can't get a quorum. That means a minimum number of members of a deliberative assembly necessary to conduct business. They need a minimum of four members. Couldn't they have discussed a Special School Board Meeting at the last regular School Board Meeting?
No thinking or even short term planning on the part of this School Board is there? Special School Board Meetings called in this fashion should be for pretty urgent school business, other wise plan the Special School Board Meetings during Regular School Board Meetings. Have some kind of rules, some kind of protocol. The Special School Board Meetings should not be held on a whim.
Common Sense folks, Common Sense.I wish they had to show who is calling for a Special School Board Meeting, really I think that information should be documented and placed on the notification. Why? Because it is School Board Business being done at taxpayer expense.
Why am I calling this Bond Issue a crisis, they have been working on this thing and I mean thing, in my opinion, from before day one of closing our grade school and they have wasted an ungodly amount of money in the process. They are just as bad or worse than the Federal Government, in wasting money, in my opinion.
This last School Board Meeting they were pressured into hiring an Architect and they hired the one that apologized for the problems he and the School Board had a year ago. Good Job? ? ? He told them they had to have paper work into KSDE by the middle of March, right now.
This pressured them into voting to change the School Bond Resolution down from either $7.5 million or $6 million to $4 million so the Architect could get paper work done for legal publication in the newspaper and more importantly to get the legal publication and other paper work into KSDE. The School Board has to ask the State Board of Education in Topeka, Kansas for permission to vote general obligation BONDS in excess of the Districts general of the Districts general Bond Debt Limitations.
They have choose to waste more money to go ahead, even while realizing the Bond will not pass.
Where are the School Boards by-laws, okay now a days they call them School Board Policy. What rules do they adhere to?
I just looked once again on the West Elk web site and no School Board Policy posted there. I was told by the West Elk Administration they would be posted after Christmas break. Hey, Administration it's after Christmas break. Take a look for your self folks, it is just an empty page: http://www.westelk.us/district-2/board-policies/ .
May the
CRISIS be with you!
Call OB1 KANOBE for crisis intervention.Very dumb behavior in my opinion.
New Official Elk County Web Site
http://elkcountyks.org/departments.html
Does any one know when the school board elections take place this year?
I am hearing in April and that there are 5 seats open.
Any information is welcome.
Quote from: ROSS on March 13, 2014, 09:40:42 AM
The CRISIS accentuated: I received a phone call shortly after nine a.m. this morning from the West Elk Administration. They informed me I would be receiving a notice in the mail of a Special School Board Meeting Friday, but that I should ignore it because, they can't get a quorum. That means a minimum number of members of a deliberative assembly necessary to conduct business. They need a minimum of four members.
I would be wondering why any official would tell someone not to attend. What if something changes and they do get a quorum.. No one there to make sure they stick the rules. How... convenient.
Things that make you go.... hmmmmmm.
Thanks for letting us know, Ross.
nykkylsdymes you are so right.
I liked to rolled laughing when I read your post.
Apparently I wasn't the only on thinking that.
I don't believe they appreciate my posts and just lack the
fortitude have an open and honest dialog about it.
It sure has been a beautiful day and I have been out enjoying it,
I hope you have too.
WEST ELK USD #282
SPECIAL BOARD MEETING AGENDA
Friday, March 14,2014
7:00 P.M.
WEST ELK DISTRICT OFFICE
Call to Order- 7:00 P.M.
Pledge of Allegiance
I. Roll Call
II. Adoption of Agenda
III. Discussion/Action Item:
A. Hire Architect
B. Facility Planning
C. Calendar – Make-up Day
IV. Adjournment
Next Regular Board Meeting, Monday, April 14, 2014 @ 6:30 P.M.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++So any way this is the one I got a call about this morning about 9:00 A.M. from the School Administration saying it is cancelled, because they could not get a quorum. Meaning they could not get 4 of the 7 School Board members to agree to show up.
I guess the
CRISIS CAN wait, LOL!
Now, I was sure they hired that Architect Monday night!
I understand they have already spent
$28,000 on an Architect and have very little to show for all that taxpayer money which should be have been used for the
EDUCATION of the children. I guess the School Board figures they have plenty of money or is that FLUF money?
But if they have plenty of money why was the Principle and Superintendent talking at one School Board Meeting of going to the County Government to ask for money for use on USD 282 Bus Transportation ? Huh, why?
They must surely have plenty of money for transportation when they can afford to provide
free transportation for their little
Booster Club, right ? But wait a minute back up to the previous paragraph please ?
$28,000 spent and nothing to show for it. Better than
2 years to plan their grade school with maximum attention for a new gymnasium that was suppose to double as a
FEMA approved storm shelter. The emphasis was on safety for children it was the FEMA approved storm shelter built as a gymnasium and poof that is gone. So much for the children's safety. The new offices at the front of the
building for security and
to prevent a gunman intent on mass murder ---
poof it's gone. So much for the security of the children.
In my opinion the children have been used by the School Board without shame as a sales job. Very, very shameful of the school board. I REPEAT in my opinion.
Food for thought! Are we going to trust this board any further and let them waste
$4 Million Dollars to build a
Grade School for Howard. You have already told them
"NO". What has changed besides re-branding it ? Are you willing to let them dispose of
$500,000 worth of portable class rooms that they could not live without and which have received very little use? Those portable class rooms have a life span of
about 30 years.Remember Your vote is very important on June 3, 2014. And I am sure they will be out in force especially around Howard with some cock and mammie sales pitch to get a yes vote out of you!No, this construction will not be good for our economy, if anything it would be detrimental to our
economy and put us in the number one position of having the highest property taxes in the state of Kansas ONCE AGAIN. I don't believe we want to hold that #1 position, do YOU?
But that is up to you to decide with YOUR VOTE.
I wonder has anyone heard from our West Elk School Board of Construction concerning any discussion of Common Core?
Does anyone even know if our West Elk School Board of Construction has even heard of Common Core?
I know Common Core has nothing to do with construction but that it has to do with actual Education.
The reason I ask is because it is really a controversial issue with just about every school board across the nation.
New Gardendale Board of Education members talk about their task ahead and Common Core
March 13, 2014
By Robert Carter and Melanie Patterson
North Jefferson News
[Editor's note: The comments from members of the Gardendale Board of Education were made before their first organizational meeting on Tuesday night. It was also edited to correct a quote from Chris Segroves involving legal counsel.]
The new Gardendale Board of Education will begin its work with "a clean sheet of paper," as one of its members puts it.
But it also faces the formidable challenges of starting almost from scratch, as well as a controversial issue that almost every school system in the country is dealing with now.
The five charter members of the board met Tuesday night in an organizational meeting at City Hall. (That meeting took place after press deadlines; see njeffersonnews.com for details.) The four men and one woman won't be officially sworn in until April 1, but they decided to get a head start on setting the direction for the new school system, which will break away from the Jefferson County Schools.
The North Jefferson News spoke with four of the members earlier this week about what their biggest task is right off the bat, aside from naming a superintendent.
The members were also asked their views on Common Core, the national initiative that was adopted by the Alabama Board of Education, which seeks to establish national standards as to what students should know in core subjects at the end of each grade.
It's an initiative that faces opposition from a number of groups, most of them conservative-leaning; it is the political target of State Sen. Scott Beason (R-Gardendale), who has introduced bills either calling for it to be removed entirely, or for individual school systems to be allowed to opt out.
http://www.njeffersonnews.com/local/x1984786340/New-Gardendale-Board-of-Education-members-talk-about-their-task-ahead-and-Common-Core
Would the West Elk School Board of Construction choose to opt out if that option comes about or stay with Federal Government in charge of Education. Will the West Elk USD282 wait until the last minute to have a discussion about this subject. Will they run another piss poor survey? What will they do. I suppose the will continue to push to build a new gymnasium after the latest bond issue fails. Forget education --- Go SPORTS GO !
For the state it is about MONEY for the West Elk School Board I think it is a fear of TRANSPARENCY NOT MONEY!
Kansas Capitol camera costs up for debate
By Travis Perry / March 14, 2014 /
EYES ON: Kansas state Senators reacted favorably to a proposal
that would initiate a pilot online video program in four of the Capitol's 13
legislative committee rooms.[/center]
By Travis Perry │ Kansas Watchdog
TOPEKA, Kan. — High cost estimates scuttled Rep. Stephanie Clayton's vision of full-blown government transparency under the Kansas Capitol dome before it got a hearing.
But state senators Thursday shifted the focus from whether the state can afford online video of public meetings, instead debating whether Kansas can afford not to implement the next step in technological transparency.
http://watchdog.org/132577/kansas-online-video/
The West Elk School Board claims us old folk do understand this world of new technology.
I wonder if they have figured out differently from reading this thread?
Myself and one other person that I know or have asked the West Elk School Board President to come into the 21st Century and video the School Board Meetings.
There would be no cost involved because we the taxpayers, you and me already pay through the nose for more than sufficient technology to do the job.
We meaning you and me as taxpayers pay through the nose for a technician who is required to attend School Meetings and has already videoed three School Board Members and which included the School Board President for their sales pitch on the new School Bond Issue.
The School Superintendent told me personally that they would have hire someone, No Mr. Superintendent we all ready have hired a technician.
The School Superintendent told me personally that they would have hire someone to edit the video, No Mr. Superintendent you wouldn't. And I believe if you check that would be unlawful.
They have all kinds of excuses to avoid transparency!
Perhaps the truth is they don't want you to see the picnic and circus they call the School Board Meeting?
Perhaps they know you would not be please with some of their body language and some of the things they say that don't get placed in the minutes. Perhaps they don't believe in transparency in Government! Who knows what is holding them back?
I ran into a man today that told me that certain people are very unhappy about me posting my opinions. Well that is just fine with me. I am sorry that the truth hurts but so be it. This is a big indicator that they are reading this thread along with the number of hits. So, if I'm lying why aren't they rebutting my opinion.
I listening -er- waiting to read any rebuttal.
Some more food for thought!
I hope everyone has a great evening.
Well let's see ! Let's recap!
I received that phone call from West Elk Administration about the Special School Board Meeting letter, I was going to be receiving and that the meeting had been canceled. I received the letter alright, so I called a friend and asked if he received the same phone call and he said no. He said, that's right that is tonight. Since he had not received the call, I decided to go to the West Elk Administration Building and wait and see if anyone showed up.
Well, I got there about 6:20 p.m. in case they may have changed their mind and held the meeting at their normal time. I sat and enjoyed the country music and some news on the radio while I waited for the scheduled 7:00 p.m. meeting time. No one showed up! I called my friend back to let him know there was a no show.
While visiting with him, I asked him what the deals is, wondering who might have called for this Special Board Meeting? I asked my friend, who has the authority to do that? He said he thought they probably voted on it at the school board meeting. I said no and that I had stayed for the whole meeting. And I then said they do have to have a motion and a second and vote for it at a regular school board meeting don't they? And he said he was pretty sure they do. Well, folks I do feel certain that is the way it is suppose to work.
So, I figure either someone doesn't know the by-laws or doesn't care or feels they have a pen and a phone. You know, just like Obama. Yes, there are rules and protocols to follow. Yes, I think the school administration lied to me over the telephone, about not being able to garner a quorum. I whole heartedly believe honesty is the best policy. You are right, I just said, I do not trust them. My trust has to be earned. And I sure hope you feel the same way about your trust.
As I have told you, I asked to see the School Board by-laws which they refer to as School Board Policy, way back before Christmas. The administrative personnel, said it was spread out all over the place and that they would be posting it on the West Elk web site either during or after Christmas break. I just now checked once again and guess what 3 ½ months later it is still not posted. You can check for yourself by going to http://www.westelk.us/district-2/board-policies/ .
The local School Board is an elected governing body and should be a government of the people, by the people, for the people just as any other elected governing body. And especially being local, it should be trust worthy, honest and transparent in my opinion.
Anything else should be unacceptable, again in my opinion.
Let's get that camera rolling at the School Board Meetings, it is perfectly legal and acceptable. No more phony excuses, please! It is done at the Kansas State Department of Education and soon to happen at the state Capitol. At the Kansas State Department of Education they even leave the video posted after live streaming the meeting.
Where is that Elk County can do attitude?
Good night folks and here's wishing each of you a great weekend.
Here is what the great leaders of Detroit did.
Must be some highly educated idiots running the show, huh?
A very good way to deal with economic development isn't it?
Haven't these so called leaders ever heard of contracts.
Something like, "Either make 100 (or more) permanent jobs for Detroit citizens or pay the taxes".
Simple stuff. Huh!
I think they need some rednecks running things.
Rednecks Get-R-Done.Detroit Factory Receives $175 Million Tax Break; Only Hires 15 People
by Tina Nguyen | 2:18 pm, March 14th, 2014
In an attempt to get more people hired in Detroit, the city decided to award a $175 million tax break to Marathon Petroleum as it underwent a "massive expansion project." This should have been enough to get a significant number of people hired, but today the City Council blasted the refinery for using all that money to hire just 15 Detroit residents.
(We're pretty sure that each resident did not receive a $11.6 million salary, or anything close to that amount.)
http://www.mediaite.com/print/detroit-factory-receives-175-million-tax-break-only-hires-15-people/
Just take a gander what Milton Snavely Hershey (September 13, 1857 – October 13, 1945) did without a muckety-muck high edumaction without PHD or any other title. Just a 4th Grade education. He built factories and schools with out taxation of other peoples property. A true entrepreneur, uniike those around here that talk the talk but fail to walk the walk.
Google Milton Snavely Hershey. I love Hershey bars.
Just some trivia about the fact that it doesn't take ten degrees of pretending you are smart to Get-R Done.
No, all goals don't have to include being rich and famous. More times than not it's the little things that count the most.
Just a reminder of information you can download to your computer about West Elk USD282 and Elk Couty information.
USD 282 Documents
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Documents Pertaining To The Survey
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jafrey Financial
https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
Elk County Govt
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51[/center]
I thought these worth repeating here, because some people mat not read the other threads. I don't know for certain. But I thought these worth repeating again just in case.
Quote from: ROSS on March 19, 2014, 06:40:10 AM
Isn't that convenient Warph!
Re-Brand or Re-Name it in order to confuse !
A lot like the West Elk Grade School we voted "NO" on.
And what appears to be an attempt at building a Professional Sports Arena under the disguise of a FEMA approved Storm Shelter to protect the children. And now the new gymnasium (if built) will be a grade school gymnasium with no bleachers and a grade school gymnasium with no score board just little kids basket ball hoops. Storm Shelter ---- Huh-uh. The smoke screen burnt down. LOL
What has been called grade school class rooms since the last School Board Meeting are now only to be referred to as class rooms.
The half a million dollars worth Howard eye sore often referred to portable class rooms have been inquired about by the teachers. They must not be that big an eyesore or all the unsafe in these Kansas winds! HUH!
The School Board Continues undeterred by the knowledge that their phony survey failed them by not producing the results they desired. They have spent over $28,000 plus on Architect's with little to show for the money. Now they are going to spend real close to $3,000 to prove what they already know. They have said it at many School Board Meetings at a few Special School Board Meetings! What it that? A "NO" vote.
So, when do these supposedly people with Higher Educations wise up?
When do these supposed leaders of the community, lead with some common sense?
Op's my bad education in common sense is not a college subject is it?
These supposed leaders of the community lack either the
Knowledge of How
A
Formal
Public
School Board Meeting
Should be Run
or
Lack
Knowledge
of Protocol
Or they just
PlainDon't care
About the
Taxpayers or Voters ONE LITTLE BIT.
The School Board President said. "My children will not have the opportunity to experience a new gymnasium." Well sir, if indeed that is what this is all about, reach deep into your wallet and build one in your own back yard for them.
Quote from: ROSS on March 19, 2014, 08:20:46 AM
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Changes in the SAT, announced on March 5 by the College Board, adjust the test to the ongoing decline in the nation's public schools.
http://eagnews.org/what-the-common-core-will-do-to-colleges/
I wonder what the thoughts of the West Elk School Board is on this Subject?
I wonder why the West Elk School Board doesn't address this issue even occasionally?
I wonder does the West Elk School Board even know Common Core is an issue?
I wonder have any of the West Elk School Board even read about Common Core?
I wonder do any of the West Elk School Board even Care about the Common Core and follow the news on it?
Will we ever find out with the self made School Board
"CRISIS" going on.
You know designing a new Grade School as pieces that they have been working on for 2 1/2 years and phony survey going on and all the other hocus - pocus going on.
Like leading on of the Assembly of God Church, how shameful.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
Please develop your own and vote them as they come up.
TTYL
Prairie Star
Wednesday March19,2014
West Elk Voters
will vote on bonds
totaling $4 million
Following last weeks decision by the USD-282 West Elk Board of Education, a special bond election will be scheduled in the near future, the exact date will be announced later.(In last weeks publication under legal notices it was listed as June 3, 2014. The original plan was for as much as $7.5 million. At the last meeting they went to crisis mode because the Architect reminded them that they had to have the legal notice in the news paper right now, in order to have a bond issue in June. And they quickly decided to drop down to $4 million with little discussion.)This is the first attempt since 2009 when a bond issue election issue would have built --- one that would have constructed a new grade school facility in Howard.(I wish this editor could get his geography right? West Elk is not in Howard and the Grade School was to be built at West Elk. This from a guy that called us BOOB's. It didn't pass then and it won't pass now because the present building is designed to handle 600 students and there are only 300 students attending the school. And we just paid out $500,000 dollars for portable buildings that are designed to last 30 years with proper maintenance.)
Skipping down a ways the paper says, "The board also started a survey in November 2013 to determine the views of school taxpayers before planning a bond issue on the ballot."
(Now ain't that some happy crap? They sent the survey to all parents and patrons whether taxpayers or not. Also not all the surveys got delivered and approximately 200 were returned as undeliverable. The fact that the survey was not to find out if taxpayers were interested in a bond issue but rather in what order of importance to build the gymnasium, the classrooms, the new office, etc. The survey was a total failure as far as trying to find out how taxpayers felt about a multimillion dollar bond issue. This article on the front page in my opinion is not reporting but is simply writing fantasy. Is it delusional, an illusion, science fiction, fiction or just a blatant lie your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps it is just poor reporting?(The Fantasy) West Elk currently has an enrollment of 315 students, and projects project growth over the next five years.(Based on what, where is all that growth going to come from? Everything shows a steady decline in population and even the School Board has said so many times during active
School Board Meetings. What has changed?
West Elk started the year out with about 313 or 315 students and at the first School Board
Meeting after school started, the principal reported to the School Board that they had an additional 30 pupils enroll. That would a have been about 345 students enrolled. So from reading the Prairie Star we can assume we have had a decline of 30 students this year alone. Who is telling the truth and who is not? Is that not a 1% decline in enrollment this year all by itself? FANTASY!)
Bert Moore, superintendent said the board believed the West Elk District will continue to grow because of it's strong academic reputation, as well as provide multiple vocational – technical programs. School Clubs and activities also add to West Elk's Advantage.
(Advantage over what? These things are what happen at probably every school across the nation. Does Mr. Moore actually believe the people of Elk County are actually that naïve'? D Mr. Moore think, we believe that only West Elk has these studies and extra curricular activities? Really?
Give Me A Break, those are not the things that would entice an influx of family's to Elk
County. Just the same to fill up a building capable of handling 600 students you would need to add 300 more kids. I believe to get that many you would need the influx of a minimum of 100 family's averaging 3 kids per family.
I also understand the School Boards apprehension about the closing of school district's.
Especially since Mr. Moore has remarked about that happening to Elk Valley several times during several School Board Meetings. That is a real possibility if there continues to be a State Shortage of funding for the districts. This is not dependent on the sizes of the building or the number of students enrolled alone, there are other factors involved. But guess what a law suit against Kansas was just suppose to start paying more towards education.)
School Board Member Whetstone made the remark that they should ask the teachers because they should be considered experts on Education Building. The school coach took the floor and said all they need to do is drop the safety net across the center of the gymnasium to protect the smaller children.at during this time of crisis?
Now, I bet School Board Member Whetstone regrets the," experts on Education Building" it probably provide the answer he wanted. But you can see what is wrong with that phrase can't you? School Board Member Whetstone said," experts on Education Building" which is considerably different than expert on construction. LOL Was that error for plausible deniability or trickery or fantasy or what during this time of the School Boards self made time of crisis?
Oh heck that's enough fantasy
and crisis
for one day.
LOL
Just boldly say NO to the few,
to the supposedly
elite
Just
Say
"NO" :
b]Be SMART,[/b] Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
I have no idea where our School Board stands on this subject, I doubt they even know!
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Wisconsin School Board
Stops Common Core
At American Majority, we are doers. We know that our broken political system can only be repaired if
people are willing to stop simply talking and do something to fix it. We are hard at work equipping people to take action, organize and win elections. With the New Leaders Project, we specifically ask people, you, to work at changing your local government by finding and electing new leaders.
One of the issues affecting communities across the nation is the Common Core State Standards (CCSS). Opposition to the CCSS has grown significantly in 2013. Several states have de-funded implementation and made other attempts to back away from CCSS. In Wisconsin, local school boards are now leading efforts to push back against federal intervention in the local education system. Two weeks ago, the Germantown School Board became the first in Wisconsin to oppose the adoption of CCSS.
Brian Medved, a local father of four, was one of the Germantown School Board Members who voted to stop Common Core. Brian was just elected this past April to the School Board, and is a great example of a
parent stepping forward to improve his community.
Brian says he was frustrated by the state of politics today and "made the choice that I would no longer stand by and do nothing- I chose to do something." First Brian sought to find other people who could become candidates for school board- but with encouragement from our partner Ed Willing, Executive Director of Founder's Intent, Brian said, "
finally decided to get myself on the School Board to help them and see just what we could accomplish with some common sense policies."
Despite being a first time candidate, Brian was able to get 61% of the vote for school board using the knowledge and practical advice he received through American Majority's New Leaders campaign training. He was elected to a three year term.
In his first year on the School Board, Brian has faced plenty of challenges. He says "working within the rules and the never ending bureaucracy can be frustrating and things never seem to move fast enough for me, but with some persistence, major victories can take place." The "home run" his School Board hit in stopping Common Core was significant. He says, the work can be tedious, "but the rewards far outweigh the struggles."
Brian challenges us all to step forward to do our part. "I would encourage anyone that was feeling the way I was to get involved," he says, "you do not have to be the one that gets elected, but you sure can do your part to get the right ones elected to your local Boards."
http://newleadersproject.org/wisconsin-school-board-stops-common-core/
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So what does our West Elk USD-282 think about Common Core?
Or do they only think about building a larger building that is not needed and raising the mil levy on top of the 4 MILLION DOLLAR SCHOOL BOND that they realize won't pass.
How about thinking of saving the nearly $3,0 00.00 it is going to cost to hold the Special vote, since you know it will fail. Ya keep saying it will fail at the board meetings. So save the money for the kids education.
These are actual figures from:(http://www.kansasopengov.org/Portals/20/OpenGov%20logo%20100pFINAL1280%20copy.png)
USD# District 1997 Tax 2012 Tax Tax Change 282 West Elk $457,446.56 $810,128.44 77 % 1997 Mill 2012 Mill Mill Change27.00 46.49 72 %Check the numbers at: http://www.kansasopengov.org/PropertyTax/USDPropertyTaxandMillRateComparison1997to2012/tabid/2398/Default.aspx
And the talk at the School Board Meetings continues to be raising the property tax mill another
4.00 mil even
if (and that is a big
IF) the
$4,000,000.00 Bond Issue passes.
A few things to consider when voting June 3, 2014.
After all the School Board does not expect the $4,000,000.00 Bond Issue to pass, but will continue to further waste nearly
$3000.00
to run a special election.Will you be happy with a
Taj Mahal you don't really need?
Will the School Board be happy with a
Taj Mahal they don't need?
If the School Board would be happy with a
Taj Mahal why would they even be talking of raising the property mill after getting the
$4,000,000.00 Bond Issue. "If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road."—C.S. Lewis
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and ALL problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
Perhaps we can get the West Elk School Board to tackle a real world problem, instead of whipping a dead horse, board made problem of construction of a Taj Mahal, does any one think that might happen?
Lets try a few links and see, okay?
Perhaps a couple more links may draw the School Boards Attention to a real problem ---- Common Core!
Common Core Developers Fail To Warranty Product
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/common-core-developers-fail-to-warranty-product.html
NEA Says Common Core Was 'Botched'
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/nea-says-common-core-was-botched.html
A Rose By Any Other Name Is Still 'Common Core'
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/a-rose-by-any-other-name-is-still-common-core.html
Education Briefs
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/education-briefs.html
[/quote]
School Board Members please take a look at Warph's post at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15765.new.html#new
And let us know what your stance is on Common Core, please!
This will affect all of Elk County's children ---- do you care?
Isn't this just as much about School Boards and School Superintendents saying or hinting at possibilities of increases of student enrollment, based on nothing more than school academic accomplishments, when educational standards have been declared their lowest in decades by state and federal governments and on extra-curricular activities?
How do you get population growth out of those fancy claims?Back to March 2014 Ed Reporter
Book of the Month
"Confessions of a Bad Teacher suggests that education is about passion, leadership, and commitment. The book's final words are: "Don't let your schools squander precious time and money on empty promises and quick fixes disguised by fancy words and lofty ideals. Our children and the future of our country don't need this theater.
They need education."http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/book-of-the-month.html
After questions arose for me following being told there was going to be 5 positions open on the
West Elk-282 School Board in April, I e-mailed the School Superintendent, Mr. Moore and received a very quick response. I appreciate the timely response Mr, Moore.
I received a .pdf listing all the positions and the year they become open.
Five positions will be open next year.
This information is posted for your convenience on my box.com account.
Please follow this link if you are interested: https://app.box.com/s/6h3vni6q1k0oeukhxo9j
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Doesn't that sound a bit like Common Core?
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Doesn't this sound a lot like a very few people in Elk County?
You know what I mean, don't you?
Like doing away with community city councils and having one centrally unified county government!
Like having one centrally located school campus, no matter what the cost!
Does any of that sound familiar?
How about the School Board President saying, my children won't be able to enjoy the use of a brand new grade school gymnasium? Isn't he just saying, this children won't have that unless you pay the appropriate fees (property taxes)?
So do you vote to pass his Bond Issue, only so his children can enjoy the experience of playing in a brand new gymnasium?
OR, do you say "NO" and vote him out of office next year for lack of critical thinking? Critical Thinking = leaving you personal prejudices out of the equation ---- his children are his personal prejudice that he involved in the equation during a School Board Meeting. He is the also the one that brought up critical thinking at a School Board Meeting by saying he wanted critical thinking taught at West Elk USD-282.
Don't forget, I received a .pdf listing all the School Board Positions and the year they become open.
Five positions will be open next year.
This information is posted for your convenience on my box.com account.
Please follow this link if you are interested: https://app.box.com/s/6h3vni6q1k0oeukhxo9j
The following is taken directly from the
School Board Policy Handbook and was hand typed by me, so any typographical errors are mine. This is posted on line on West Elk USD 283 web site at http://www.westelk.us/district-2/board-policies/ .
(If I'm not wrong these used to be known as By-law's years ago.)
(From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
A by-law (sometimes also spelled bylaw, by law or byelaw) is a rule or law established by an organization or community to regulate itself, as allowed or provided for by some higher authority. The higher authority, generally a legislature or some other governmental body, establishes the degree of control that the by-laws may exercise.
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School Board Policy Handbook
Preface
The school belongs to the people who support it and it only purpose is to help the development of the children of the community. The people have a right to be informed concerning the policies, administration, operation, successes and failures of the school.
It is the intention of the West Elk Board of Education to provide means for furnishing full and accurate information together with interpretation and explanation, in terms the public can understand. It is recognized that failure to furnish such information, either by design or neglect, may lead to possible misinformation and misinterpretation of the motives of the board or staff.
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So, what I would like to know is why doesn't the West Elk School Board follow it's on rules and policies?Has any School Board member even read their own rules and policies?
Or are they either by design or neglect or by a choice of keeping secret, refusing to provide the information as it becomes available?
I am referring to the documents called handouts during School Board Meetings?
Every document is public information with the exception of disciplinary actions, right?
Right!
They use to have a note on the School Board Meeting Minutes documents attached or attached documents, something along that line, which is no longer used. However any documents handed out at the meeting are public information and should be made available to the public on the West Elk web site right along with this very
School Board Policy and School Board Minutes. So when do our elected officials start following their rules and regulations and laws?
Changing the subject slightly and back to the construction and the bond issue.
If you care to read it on the West Elk web site at
And I quote by copy and paste:
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After further discussion, Whetstone moved to proceed with preparing the appropriate documents to call for a special election to be held on June 3, 2014, with such election to be conducted by mail election. The project shall include the proposed classroom addition and Elementary Gym Addition for a cost of $4,535,152, and including Piper Jaffray's bonding agent fee of 1% in the amount of $43,351.52 for a total project cost of $4,580,503.52 said project will be paid for from the issuance of General Obligation Bonds in an amount not to exceed $4,585,000. The bond will be financed for a term of 20 years. Black seconded the motion.
After more discussion, Bellar called the question. Motion failed (2-5) (Allen, Bellar, Hare, Hilton & Walker voted no)
After further discussion, Bellar moved to proceed with preparing the appropriate
documents to call for a special election to be held on June 3, 2014, with such election
to be conducted by mail election. The project shall include the proposed classroom addition for a cost of $2,000,000 and including Piper Jaffray's bonding agent fee of 1%
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in the amount of $20,000 for a total project cost of $2,000,000 said pro ject will be paid
for from the issuance of General Obligation Bonds in an amount not to exceed
$2,000,000. The bond will be financed for a term of 20 years. Motion died for lack of
second.
Hare moved to proceed with preparing the appropriate documents to call for a special election to be held on June 3, 2014, with such election to be conducted by mail election. The project shall include the proposed classroom addition and Elementary Gym Addition for a cost of $2,970,297, and including Piper Jaffray's bonding agent fee of 1% in the amount of $29,703 for a total project cost of $3,000,000 said project will be paid for from the issuance of General Obligation Bonds in an amount not to exceed $3,000,000. The bond will be financed for a term of 20 years. Walker seconded the motion. Motion passed. (6-1) (Bellar voted no)
At 8:56 p.m. Hilton adjourned the meeting.
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If you can read the above statements you should be able to ascertain this is not about classrooms, this is about a brand new gymnasium, as the School Board President said, so his children would have the experience of enjoying a brand new gymnasium. To him I say go home and build one in your backyard and put in a crystal chandelier while you are at it. Add bleachers for all your fans.
No, it's not about classrooms and it is not about the 4 portable class rooms that the teachers are apparently wanting if they bond issue passes. It is actually about being ridiculous and wanting to say, "I got that built".
They were told plenty of times by various people, that they invited to their board meetings, they can not afford it. In case you did not notice they dropped from $7.5 Million down to $4.585 Million and during the same meeting down to $3 Million.
That alone should tell you something.
And don't forget they have talked about raising your property tax 4 mil. And it sounds like a yearly proposition to me?
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If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road."
—C.S. Lewis"Throughout history, supposedly enlightened elite's have been able to convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The fact that they have always been wrong before does not, somehow, lead them to question those assumptions in the present day, because this is such a convenient belief to have."
I believe the taxpayers and voters of both Elk County and the West Elk School District are finally getting a good vision of the trickery happening with in Elk County.
So folks remember you have the power to change things towards your own positive.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
"A life directed chiefly toward the fulfillment of personal desires will sooner or later always lead to bitter disappointment."
—Albert Einstein ---
These pictures are of the
rough draft of the June 3rd School Bond Issue mail-in Ballot.
I was assured that although this is a rough that the final draft will most likely be the very same thing.
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This one is a close up of the main body.
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I personally will proudly fill in the oval next to "NO".
I hope most people will. Please remember this is a rough draft.
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Editorials Are Nothing More Than
A Persons Personal Opinion
Just The Same As
This Thread.
Rudy is an outsider to Elk County just like me! His Facebook says he lives in Caney, Montgomery County, Kansas and his hometown is Altamont, Labette County, Kansas.[
Well, anyway this silly assed, very biased, so called local newspaper, we have coming out of
Sedan , Kansas and printed in
Independence, Kansas, is great for amusement, especially the editorials. What a twisted mind, IMHO !
We can hear from the editor, about what he doesn't like, but yet, I think he always tries to throw in that Elk Konnected positive attitude flair. It just doesn't work in this article, does it? Calling teachers "Heroes", really? More on this later.
I mean look here, I'm not educated, No college diploma's, especially in being an editor and yet I think, I do as well with this thread as the Editor does with his newspaper. At least, I don't twist the words.
So he appears to be slightly up set with the Kansas legislature, and I mean not so slightly upset, anyway that's how I read the editorial. Upset about what? Losing due process? Huh? What is he talking about? Isn't it losing tenure for teachers what he is really talking about? If so, say so! Why is he upset about it? If a teacher is a good teacher and actually doing their job, what do they have to worry about?
Tenure is to give (someone) a permanent post, esp. as a teacher or professor. Why are they calling it due process, when what they are really talking about is
"Tenure" . Please, correct me if I am wrong. Tenure practically protects and practically guarantee's a bad teacher from being fired, doesn't it? It provides a don't touch situation, doesn't it.
Let me explain. how I see
Tenure. As a federal employee, I saw many employees that goofed off and let other people carry the work load for them. I saw numerous employees show up late for work or sneak out early and what do you think happened to those employees for these actions?
Nothing that's what happened! Even though we did not have
Tenure, it was near impossible to get rid of such employees. So what teacher really needs
Tenure? The one that needs protection for not doing their job, now isn't that right? A good teacher, a good employee of the taxpayers doesn't need that protection do they? A teacher can not be fired without just
cause. Cause if you do fire them, without just cause they will most likely sue the School District. Why would you fire a good teacher? Why would a good teacher be worried? Here in Elk County haven't we had a couple of suspicious resignations? Can't a resignation cover up real problems that might affect that persons becoming employed else where , where children are present?
So, who do we protect first, children or adults?But the editor follows up in his article in closing, by stateing," This is not the way we treat our hero's". Wow really, "HERO'S" ? Ask an Afganistan veteran! How do you get hero's out of teachers? These are employees of the taxpayers of the school district in which they work. And here at West Elk the average teachers salary is $50,000 and the rent and cost of living is not as costly as a major metropolitan area and also less hazardous. That pay may or may not include possible overtime. That is pretty good pay for this area considering the median income for a household in the Elk county in 2010 was $27,267 an for Chautauqua county median household income in 2011: $20,565
Hero's hardly! I mean, I served ten years in the military and nine of those years were during Vietnam. No, I am no hero! To me a hero is a much more deserving position.
The hero is the man that threw himself in harms way, to save lives of others in his surrounding area. He lost both legs and an arm because of his actions. He is a hero.
The man walking down the sidewalk and catches a baby fallling out of the 3rd story window. He's a hero!
The neighbor that pulls his neighbor and their family out of their burning house is a hero.
Just being a teacher does not make you a hero.
Just being an electrician does not make you a hero.
Just being an plumber does not make you a hero.
Just being an newspaper editor does not make you a hero.
It simply means you are employeed in an occupation of your choice and hopefully enjoy.
I really didn't read any of that Elk Konnected positive attitude in the editorial.
I didn't read a single word about the providing of more state money coming to the coffers of the various School Districts, did you? I didn't read a single word of possible property tax relief due to more money coming from the state, did you?
Where is the positive in this editorial?
His remark the "Kansas State Legislature has a limited roll in the classroom.: Believe me he is right, that is the teachers job and supervised by the School Principle and School Superintendent who answers, supposedly to the School Board. And all are responsible to Kansas State Laws and the Kansas State Department of Education.
So when the legislature voted to accept a bill and make it law they were doing what they are suppose to do --- make laws. They are not in the class room. Why does the editor put such a terrible twist on the law instead of speaking plain english. Don't we get enough of that twisting out of Washington, D.C. ?
HOUSE BILL No. 2774:
http://kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/documents/hb2774_00_0000.pdf
Vote "NO" on the June 3rd School Bond Issue
so as not to do further damage to
the Elk County economics
PLEASE.
So the editor of our so called local paper isn't happy with the Kansas State Legislature writing State Laws about our States School System. He said they don't belong in the class room. Well, they are not in the class room, but I guess he doesn't comprehend that or he is unable to express himself correctly.
I am wondering how he feels about the Federal Program called Common Core! I personally think they are really wanting to totally control the class room. I believe I have shown that by the posts shown at :http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,15765.0.html
And here is another means of controlling and manipulating the school system and the children:Quote from: ROSS on April 12, 2014, 07:43:45 PM
Kids who didn't
take the Common Core test
were denied ice cream!
April 11, 2014
Just where does our local West Elk USD-282 School board of Education stand on Common Core?
Have they even discussed Common Core?
What do they know about Common Core?
Do they feel they have no say in the matter of Common Core?
Or has the West Elk USD-282 School Board of Education decided it is none of their business?
Or has the West Elk USD-282 School Board of Education decided they have no voice in the matter of Common Core?
Or has the West Elk USD-282 School Board of Education just been to busy trying to build a Taj Mahal of a school to even pay any attention to the Federal Governments Program of Common Core Control?
Is this the type of School Board of Education your children deserve?
Do you need a bigger better building for less kids or better education?
Do you need higher property taxes and less taxes?
If the bond issue is passed they intend to raise your property taxes, yet another 4 mil over and above the bond issue, is that what you want?
Then they will most likely have to continue to raise your property taxes every year to pay for all the new maintenance that will be needed.
My guess for the reason of the mail in ballot is that the majority of people will ignore it or throw it away or that the ballots will not be delivered.
Remember over 200 of their survey's they mailed out were returned as undeliverable? Remember that?
That would mean 200 voters ballots would possibly be returned as undeliverable.
Now what might that mean?
What do you think might happen?
How about perhaps all the voters in Howard get their ballots and vote for the bond issue?
On the last bond election Howard had 75 or 80% vote for the bond.
If were were to loose 300 to 400 rural votes isn't it possible the issue would pass?
Well, let's try to stay ahead of that game. Lets try to find out when those ballots are suppose to be mailed out and make sure everyone gets their ballot.
The bond issue really should fail, after all the School Board survey failed, didn't it?
The bond issue really should fail, even the School Board of Education expects it to fail and have already discussed running the bond issue again in November.
TAX, TAX, TAX, TAX That appears the goal of the West Elk USD-283 School Board of Education wants to do.
Don't they realize the higher they raise taxes in local economy the more damage they do to the Elk County Economy.
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Okay folks, I have been shooting my mouth off about educating school kids and raising the teaching standards.
What do I know? Not much!
But how much does a person with a masters degree know about K-12 education?
But how much does a person with a PHD know about teaching in the class room of K-12 education?
But how much does a person elected to the school board know about teaching in the class room of K-12 education?
Heck, West Elk School Board Members had not even walked through West Elk until just about 6 month s ago. How much do you think they know about the class room curricula?
What am I willing to learn? Everything I can!
I just stumbled onto an advertisement for a book about Education in the US of A.
It is sold at Amazon. com and is titled
Indoctrination: How 'Useful Idiots' Are Using Our Schools to Subvert American Exceptionalism Paperback
by Kyle Olson (Author)
I went to Amazon and took a look at the books forward.
Some I already knew about some is shocking.
I feel I have a need to know what exactly is in this book and what I might learn from it, be it good or bad. It is impossible to make an intelligent decision about the book with out reading it .
I'd like to invite you to take a look at the book. it is at the link at the bottom of this page. You can not read a whole lot, but if you click on the picture of the book it will permit a limited reading.
Just a suggestion! And I believe a possible interesting read.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1467060577
/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1WY49YJC3MT7HN2TNF67&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1389517282&pf_rd_i=507846
I am not quite ready to discuss last nights West Elk School Board meeting just yet.
I wish to discuss a few things first. So here we go, okay!
Kansas County population decline by County.
Take a look at this, Elk County comes in second place in percentage of population loss:
http://www.ipsr.ku.edu/ksdata/ksah/population/2pop12b.pdfe
I don't suppose the lack of jobs and high property taxes might have anything to do with it? Do we want even higher property taxes? The School Board apparently thinks we do, especially they way they spend the taxpayer dollars. Do they have a money printing press we don't know about?
We have West Elk USD 282 with 300 students in building able to accommodate 600 students with 4 additional portable buildings and each building has 2 class room that cost the School District property taxpayers an additional ½ million dollars just recently. And the School Board wants $4 million more indebtedness to double the size of the building for a declining student body. Where is the sense in this?
Let's look at the West Elk USD 282 School Board and their meeting, okay!
School Board Meetings should be characterized by
''dignity, order and
decorum'' with a mind to provide information openly to the public and not be a picnic. Where is the couth?
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Is this a professional setting?
Do they look like professionals slouching like that?
If you think that is bad you should see them in action!
Now let's take a look at the School Board Meeting place of Elk Valley USD 283!
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Which one shows a bit of professionalism?
Which one shows
''dignity, order and
decorum'' with a mind to provide information openly to the public Which one.? And there is also the School Boards own rules, their own Board Policies, recently corrected and posted at: http://www.westelk.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BOARD-POLICY-HANDBOOK-2013.pdf
The following Copied and pasted directly from BOARD-POLICY-HANDBOOK.http://www.westelk.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BOARD-POLICY-HANDBOOK-2013.pdf
The Board recognizes that it has several important purposes and duties.
Basically, they are as follows:
To conduct its operations and meetings in a manner that is consistent with
State laws and
the principles of sound organizational procedure.To recognize its responsibility to the people of the district by making all
meetings open to the public. MEETINGS
OPEN MEETINGS
Normally, all meetings of the Board will be open to the public, and
the order of
business will provide an opportunity for the public to address the Board. VISITORS
GUIDELINES FOR VISITORS ATTENDING BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETINGS
In order to bring about visitor participation so that school patrons and other
visitors may fully enjoy the meeting without disturbing the work of the Board, the following guidelines have been approved.
Visitors are encouraged to ask about the policies of the Board
and of the school system.
RULES OF ORDER, QUORUM, VOTING, MINUTES
RULES OF ORDER
Robert's Rules of Order shall govern the proceedings of the Board unless
otherwise provided for.
Does the West Elk USD 282 School Board have knowledge and the ability to utilize Robert's Rules of Order?
Does the West Elk USD 282 School Board have knowledge and the ability to show
''dignity, order and
decorum'' with a mind to provide information openly to the public Which one.? I don't think so, especially in that little bitty room in the superintendents office.
I don't think so lacking the ability to speak up.
I don't think so with their backs to the public.
I don't think so with multiple conversations going on across the table.
I don't think so with private conversations during an open meeting.
I don't think so as long as they feel that rules are only for everyone else.
If you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road."
—C.S.
There are those that oppose OPPOSITION even when they know they are wrong! That will make up problems that don't exist or create a problem to prove themselves right. All the while they still remain wrong! Are they not wrong in opposing OPPOSITION?
Property taxes up almost everywhere, but population down in most Kansas counties
http://kansasmeadowlark.com/blog/2009/01/28/property-taxes-up-almost-everywhere/
On my next post I will discuss last nights West Elk USD 282 School Board Meeting, that is what little I could hear and understand. What a wreck it was? Remember this is just my personal opinion.
I simply corrected a posted picture in the previous post
Thanks for you patience, I fumbled the ball
but corrected as soon as I discovered it.
Are you registered to vote on the June mail-in West Elk USD 282 School Bond issue?
Do you know someone who is not registered?
Want to register or help a friend to register?
Go to this link and either download a printed registration form or register on line.
http://register.paulbroun2014.com/
I am not plugging the politician that making this registration method available.
Let's get anyone not registered right away, so they can vote.
Let's get this done and tell them
"NO".Then we can sit back and
see if they attempt to bully us, by coming back at us again in November.
Thank You.
West Elk USD-282 School Board Meeting 04/14/14
They are basically holding a private meeting, due to the inability of the use of a voice, that can be heard the length of the small room they are using. And holding what appears to be private conversations as well as talking over each other. Some board members have their backs to the public. A lesson from grade school and my parents was to face the people you are talking to. It is simple you direct your voice the direction you face. And these meeting are equally aimed at the public as well as the other members.
Other wise how do you inform the public?
How do you run a respectable Public Meeting?
One of the many things mentioned in the Roberts Rules of Order is, "Speak in a clear and concise manner."
I do believe that means during a Public Meeting, speak so the public can hear what is being said.
And for one member to be talking while another has the floor is an improper action under the Roberts Rules of Order. Yet the president of the board will not correct such action, because he is guilty of it too. I don't think they know anything about Roberts Rules of Order, at least they don't show it.
And the School Board doesn't follow their own policies as pointed out in the previous post.
Board Member Whetstone arrives an hour and a fifteen minutes late at 7:45 p.m.
Board Member Bellar, said he would be voting no, on what every the motion they were going to vote on. He said he wanted people to understand why. He said the $4 million bond would never pass.
So the vote was taken and true to his word, Board Member Bellar voted no.
Now to interject my thoughts, none on that School Board expect it will pass, that is why at previous meetings they set up this June vote and they said, so they can come back at us in November for another try.
In my opinion it is just a form of bullying the taxpayer and wasting money. I personally think they have wasted enough of the property tax payers money already. That wasted Money should have been used on the children's education or on repairing the leaky roof.
Yes, there has been a considerable amount wasted just to attempt to acquire a second gymnasium.
More input from architects. The architects said they need at least 3 more meetings with the School Board to work out the plan details and discussing doing a lot less for $4 million. Also, they say there are a lot of ways to be creative.
I say, sure there is lots of ways to be creative, one great way of being creative would be to drop this foolish bond issue and idea of a Taj Mahal for Howard.
Board Member Bellar, asked an architect if there were movable walls available for school buildings. The architect said yes there are, but they are expensive. I ask you folks, what in construction isn't expensive. Good Question in my opinion.
At a previous school Board meeting, an architect told the board they had luxurious class rooms and that two rooms could be down sized to make a third room. Now, what better way to use a portable wall? The room sizes could be adjusted back and forth as needed.
Nobody liked the idea, most likely, because it would not include a gymnasium, IMO.
My observation is that the school board presents, that they have no knowledge of construction or cost or what they think they can buy for $4 million. They don't show any confidence in their own actions, after two years of talking about this project. Yes, two years and still no confidence.
Hell, they were advised two years ago by Emporia State College to commence repairs on the leaking roof and replacing the roof top air conditioners a portion at a time, so they would not have to put out all the money at one time. And two years later they have still done nothing. Do you want to trust these people with $4 million? They receive expert advice and ignore it. More about the roof in a later post.
Here is why, I ask if you want to trust these people with $4 Million. The football field what a mess, that's why I ask. They want a professional football field and can't get it right, at great expense, which appears to be getting even more expensive. They contracted to have dirt hauled in and spread on the football field. Not much of a big deal, right? Not until you look and see that it is a whole lot of clay and large rocks. Anyway, that is what I heard at the meeting. Most likely, because the contract did not stipulate "top soil". So, the board will most likely have to pay, to have all that garbage dirt removed and pay to have more dirt, oops I mean "top soil" hauled in. If they are incapable of such a simple task how can you willfully entrust them with $4 million?
Two years of planning and they are still incomplete and insecure in their own actions.
That is a "WOW", just "WOW".
I guess all them diplomas sitting around that table are not up to par, up to par with rednecks that Git-R-Done. That's what a redneck does, he gets the job done. LOL! Oh yea, rednecks have more respect for taxpayers money in my way of thinking.
Where does a redneck get his redneck from? He earns it working outside tending to his mowing and haying and tending to his livestock. A redneck should be damned proud of his redneck.
I have some more to share with you later, maybe even tomorrow.
I'm tired and heading for bed. Good night all.
Well before I get into the rest of the School Board meeting of 4/14/2014, I wanted to get this off my chest.
I went to the district office this morning and filled out their Freedom of Information Act form and specifically asked to see their Purchase Order/Contract concerning repairs to the West Elk Football field which was discussed during the School Board Meeting of 4/14/2014.
I was told that it was not available right now and that they would call me when it is available.
I didn't ask why, that was my mistake. The original should never leave the District Office and should be on file, IMO. So anyway I didn't exactly leave empty handed. I took a picture of a sign hanging in the district, seems entirely appropriate where it is to me. Here it is:
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I then stopped by the Schools Football field and found Harrods removing the bad dirt.
Brilliant planning don't you think. Oh well, it is only taxpayers money being wasted to build a professional football field.
Here are some pictures for you:
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I hope this helps you understand how your West Elk School Board wastes your tax dollars.
Do you want to risk a 4 Million Dollar waste for something the district does not need.
Well, I just received a call from USD-282 District office ant 3:45 p. to pick up my copies of the contract for the Professional Football field. I asked if tomorrow would be okay, because I was very busy right now and didn't know how soon I'd be done. They said yes, and that it would cost me $1.50.
I really don't want them to provide me copies because I can scan the papers myself. So, in the future I will write on there Freedom of Action form no copies please.
I learn something every day. LOL
I may post the contract tomorrow.
What is really going on?
About tenure how, many people working for a living have a guarantee they won't be fired if they don't do their jobs. Or at least a very slim chance of being fired. The teachers have their unions, something a lot of people don't have. But their other recourse's for being unlawfully fired. Live with it.
About legislation to provide more money to poor schools, here is an article.
However I guess West Elk USD must not fall into the category based on all the money they spend on sports, or waste money on the Professional Football Field. But that remains to be seen.
Here is the article for those that may not have not seen it:
Court Orders Kansas Legislature to Spend More on Schools
By TREVOR GRAFF and JOHN ELIGONMARCH 7, 2014
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Gov. Sam Brownback of Kansas, pictured at an elementary school in January, praised Friday's
ruling for not setting an exact dollar amount that must be spent to create equality among the
districts. Credit Craig Hacker for The New York Times
TOPEKA, Kan. — Kansas's highest court ruled on Friday that funding disparities between school districts violated the state's Constitution and ordered the Legislature to bridge the gap, setting the stage for a messy budget battle in the capital this year.
With its ruling, the State Supreme Court averted, for now, a larger constitutional showdown by ordering a lower court to reconsider the most controversial part of the case — whether the public school system statewide was adequately funded. The lower court originally ordered an increase of more than $400 million in school spending, and the conservative-led majority in the Legislature had vowed to defy that order if it were upheld. Legislators said it was the job of lawmakers, not judges, to appropriate money.
Still, the unanimous court decision Friday would seem to leave some Republican lawmakers in Kansas unsettled because it orders them, by July 1, to potentially appropriate tens of millions of dollars in payments to poorer districts to make the school system more equitable. The Legislature had been withholding those constitutionally mandated payments in recent years.
The issue of increasing base aid per student was politically charged because at the same time that lawmakers, led by the Republican governor, Sam Brownback, refused to increase funding, they passed the largest tax cuts in state history.
"I think the bottom line is that you still have a constitutional issue here as to which branch has the power of the purse," said State Representative Kasha Kelley, a Republican who is chairwoman of the House Education Committee. "And clearly that duty lies with the legislative branch. I don't believe that's the place of the court."
The court rejected the contention that it lacked the authority to make decisions on school funding, saying that it has the duty to determine whether legislative acts comply with the Kansas Constitution. "The judiciary is not at liberty to surrender, ignore or waive this duty," the decision said.
Most of the attention in the case, Gannon v. Kansas, had been focused on the trial court's order to raise base aid per student to $4,492, a 17 percent increase over the current level, to provide an adequate education for all Kansas students. On Friday, the Supreme Court held that the district court had not applied the proper standard to determine what constituted an adequate funding level and asked the lower court to re-examine that issue.
"Regardless of the source or amount of funding, total spending is not the touchstone for adequacy in education" under the State Constitution, the decision read.
Mr. Brownback and his fellow Republicans who are legislative leaders cast that point as a victory during a news conference at the Capitol on Friday afternoon. "It says schools should be measured by performance and outcomes, not by just money spent," Mr. Brownback said. "It focuses on equity — that a child in the poorer part of the state should have an equal opportunity at an education as someone from the richer part of the state, and I agree."
But divorcing money and outcomes was off the mark, said John S. Robb, the lawyer for the school districts that sued the state. "Outcomes are all that matter, but it takes resources to get there," he said.
The standard that the Supreme Court asked the lower court to use when it reconsiders whether there is adequate statewide funding accounts for the fact that money produces adequate educational outcomes, Mr. Robb said. So he was confident that the district court would reach the same result and again rule that base aid per student needed to be increased.
Mr. Brownback and his allies praised Friday's ruling for not setting a specific dollar amount that must be spent in order to create equality among the districts. The court held that the Legislature had to provide equitable funding "as contemplated by present statutes."
"I don't know that we have a number for that, and we aren't going to restrict ourselves," said Susan Wagle, the Senate president.
But Mr. Robb said the formula the state previously used for those supplemental funds for poor districts had totaled nearly $120 million. It would be difficult to see the court allow anything less than that, he said, because that formula was what the judges used when deciding the case.
"It takes a willing Legislature to comply with this order," Mr. Robb said. "I am confident they will follow their constitutional oaths and do what's right for kids."
In 2005, the court approved an agreement to gradually raise per-pupil spending, but the goals were never reached because of the nationwide recession and, more recently, the tax cuts.
In arguing the case last year, lawyers for the state asserted that it was unreasonable to restrict the Legislature's role in making financial decisions. The Kansas Constitution is "neither a suicide pact nor a bankruptcy pact," Stephen R. McAllister, a lawyer for the state, told the court.
In January, with the justices sitting nearby, Mr. Brownback essentially fired a warning shot during his State of the State address, saying that "the Constitution empowers the Legislature, the people's representatives, to fund our schools," and that the state should ensure that "our schools remain open and are not closed by the courts or anyone else."
Moderate and liberal legislators have said the case has highlighted the failure of the state to provide an adequate education for Kansas children.
For critics of legislative leaders and the governor, the shortfall in school funding provides fodder for a broader criticism of the path Kansas officials have set the state on. In the past two legislative sessions, the Legislature, backed by Mr. Brownback, passed tax cuts that are projected to decrease state revenue by about $3.9 billion over the next six years.
Those who believe the courts overstepped their bounds in previous rulings by mandating a dollar amount said lawmakers and
schools needed to focus on efficient spending, rather than a pure dollar figure.
The debate over school funding in Kansas heated up in the 1960s when the Legislature added an article to the Constitution that read, "the Legislature shall make suitable provision for finance" of public education. That led to a court case decades later that ended with lawmakers agreeing to provide $4,492 in base aid per student.
But because of the nationwide financial crisis, the Legislature never reached that level of spending. It went as high as $4,400 by the 2008-9 school year, but under Gov. Mark V. Parkinson, a Democrat, the figure began a downward slide, which has continued under Mr. Brownback. The figure is now $3,838, and Mr. Brownback called for maintaining it in a budget proposal he released in January.
The reduction in school financing over the years led to the current lawsuit. A state appeals court ruled in January 2013 in favor of the plaintiffs, saying that the Legislature was failing to meet its constitutional obligation to adequately fund schools.
Fiscal conservatives argue that the base state aid does not represent the actual amount spent on education. Including federal sources, the amount was $12,656 in 2011-12. Those in favor of increased funding said that figure included money for things like pensions that are not directly related to helping students learn.
Trevor Graff reported from Topeka, and John Eligon from Kansas City, Mo.
A version of this article appears in print on March 8, 2014, on page A9 of the New York edition with the headline: Kansas School Funding Is Faulted.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/08/us/kansas-school-spending-ruling.html?_r=0
West Elk USD-282 School Board Meeting 04/14/14 continued.
My version and my opinions.
The maintenance man is addressing the School Board about the roof leaking and having had to repair it.
Everything seems to be a joke to this bunch. One of them says buy a can of that spray stuff to seal leaks shown on TV and shakes his hand as if he has a spray can in his hand.
Very funny right. As I have mentioned before the School Board was advised two years ago by Emporia State University to start repairs on the roof, do a part of the roof each year, so they wouldn't have to spend all their money at one time. Yet, nothing is being done and inflation is making things much more expensive.
Can we hear them laughing now? School Board Member Bellar has tried to get the board to take action on the roof, but has been talking to deaf ears, even with my hearing aids, I have heard him several times at different School Board Meetings. Because he speaks up like a man. But the board turns a deaf ear. Go figure.
The Maintenance man continues and is discussing replacing a fire door and mentions a price which I could not hear, and say's he is going with a certain company because they know the building. Where upon one of the Architects in the audience, says he is paying to much. My opinion is a company that replaces this type of door, does not have to be familiar with the building, because they will only be dealing with the door. And I feel these types of jobs should be put out for bid, to several companies with the specifications attached, in order to get the best prices.
Oh this one is a real goody in my opinion.Two first grade teachers addressing the school board about a trip to
Las Vegas this summer. They try to perform a computer projected presentation and can not log onto their computer, really good show there teachers. So they go on to say, that there is a "I teach First Grade Conference" in Las Vegas this summer and they could not get a grant for it. So they want the School District to pay for their trip and there fees to attend the conference. Cost, I believe, I heard them say for the Conference is only $599.00 each and also askng the School Board to pay for their lodging and meals and air line tickets. The
jokes again about spending taxpayers dollars, one of them say's, they could gamble to pay for it --- laughs everywhere. I also imagine they will need rental car expenses, which were not mentioned. They said, they would represent West Elk at a national convention. I got news for them, they most likely won't even be noticed, unless they perhaps get drunk and do something foolish. Conventions after all are for the promoters to make money. One of the teachers said, she follows one of the speakers blog. I'm thrilled all about that, to the point of spending thousands of tax payers dollars, for two teachers to have an all expense paid vacation to sin city. Since their computer presentation didn't work properly, they went ahead and handed each School Board Member a very colorful brochure about the conference, but the Board voted to pay the teachers way without taking enough time to read the handout. It's just taxpayer dollars paying for a trip to
Las Vegas, no big deal.
I looked up the handout on the internet and guess what it is? Would you believe Common Core. That's right Obama's liberal/ socialistic teaching Common Core.
I personally think the gambling trip is more important. I am not joking.
The brochure handed out, the one I feel certain, they handed out is at
http://sde.com/brochures/B50514/B50514bro.pdf
It is a PDF but opens as a web page.
Look at the top right hand corner for Common Core. It says, "Common Core Immersed Through Out".
I thought Kansas is trying to opt out of Obama's Common Core.
I will be researching Kansas' stand on Common Core.
Oh one more thing.The report from School Board Member
Mr. Elk Konnected Whetstone on the Assembly of God Church meeting. He didn't have much to say. But I could not hear him any way, he can't seem to speak up like School Board Member Bellar. And once again, anyway, the school superintendent took over the Report and ditto, I couldn't hear him either. He has such a soft voice. But none of that matters. I heard the important thing. If they don't get the bond issue passed they won't have a
secondary gymnasium nest year. Sorry for all the extra work you did Assembly of God Church to provide for West Elk USD-282 . Sorry Assembly of God Church, of getting your hopes up, of getting $1000,00 a month, of the taxpayers money. But no thank you ! Another great job done by the West Elk USD-282 School Board.
Okay, I'm done. Ya'all can slap me down now. I can handle it.
Good night All.
A quick google on Kansas
and
Common Core.
I have turned up several links for you to read if you so desire.
Kansans Against Common Core
http://kansansagainstcommoncore.wordpress.com/
Kansas House committee hears debate on Common Core standards
The Wichita Eagle
http://www.kansas.com/2014/02/19/3298877/kansas-house-committee-to-hear.html#storylink=cpy
Kansas Reclaims Control of Testing, Drops Common Core Assessments
The Foundry
http://blog.heritage.org/2013/12/19/kansas-reclaims-control-testing-drops-common-core-assessments/
Kansas HB 2289
Prohibiting the use of common core standards.
http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_14/measures/hb2289/
I'll be doing some reading and studying tomorrow.
Bed time for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hhJ_49leBw&feature=share
A lot of this reminds me of Elk Konnected. Liberals looking for handouts. Watch this video and see just how the liberals can run shit into the ground. I wonder how many grants these people got and still couldn't manage shit. Remember all of this when it comes time to vote.
Robert
West Elk USD-282 School Board Meeting 04/14/14 continued.
Well I went to the West Elk USD 282 District Office to pick up a copy of the Contract for the football to be made more Professional and you won't believe what I got.
After the School Board said they would have to check their contract to determine what they had stipulated for the dirt. I naturally had to do the same thing. I wanted to see to see what they stipulated in this contract for $5,000.I arrive at the school at 07:30 to pick it up, so I can get on with my personal business of the day. The lady that waited on me is really a sweet and polite lady. She brings me the papers and I pay her the $1.50 they charged me and I thank her and head for my truck in the parking lot while looking at the papers. And I say to my self whoa, this is not what I asked for. I specifically, specified on their Freedom of Information act I wanted the purchase order and or the contract on the football field that was discussed at the School Board Meeting on 04/14/14. I did not ask for copies of the School Board Meeting Minutes.
So I do a 180 and walk back into the office and explain I clearly asked for specifically the purchase order and or the contract. The sweet lady said there is no contract and I reminded her that a contract was mentioned at the School Board Meeting and that if it did not specify precisely what dirt was to be delivered that the School would probably have to pay to have all that dirt removed and pay to have good dirt hauled in. She said, nope no contract. I thank her and take my leave.
Really folks ----- "NO Contract on a $5,000 Job" ? ? ?
WHY ? ? ?
INCOMPETENCE ?
Do you really want to allow these incompetents on the School Board to have
5,000,000.00 of our taxpayer dollars?
While they may consider themselves the elite and community leaders all they are, are business owners or so called management people.
And all they have shown me is incompetents AS School Board Members especially the Konnected ones.
They don't get bids on expensive jobs to save taxpayers money.
They don't run a proper School Board Meeting.
They don't utilize Roberts Rules of Order per their on by-laws.
Have they declared a position on Common Core?
Have the even discussed Common Core?
Why are they paying thousands of tax payer dollars for two first grade teachers to go to a Los Vegas first grade convention that is saturated in Common Core, while Kansas is in the process of opting out of Common Core along with many other states?
Oh, I know why, it's just taxpayer money and the Children's education money.
I hope the teachers enjoy the all expense paid vacation to Sin City, Las Vegas at the expense of the children and the taxpayers.
They want a professional sports complex, but not a professional School Board.
So folks remember you have the power to change things for the positive.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
JUST SAY "NO"
No is a very positive word in this instance and I'm sure it is very positive in many other instances. Yes in this instance would most likely have very negative effects on Elk County and sure enough negative effects on your property taxes
I had to share this one. I do have a sense of humor about most things.
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Care to buy
"A Pig In A Poke"
Sukka ?
Common Core Developers
Fail To Warranty Product
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Although many would like Americans to believe that the Common Core standards were developed by states, were state led, and belong to the states, that is simply false. The standards belong solely to the National Governors Association Center for Best Practices (NGA Center) and the Council of Chief State School Officers (CCSSO). The NGA and CCSSO license of the standards only "grants" a limited license of the Common Core Standards to the states that supposedly developed them. The NGA and CCSSO Common Core Public License can be seen in its entirety here: http://www.corestandards.org/public-license
The license agreement states that: "NGA/CCSSO shall be acknowledged as the sole owners and developers of the Common Core State Standards, and no claims to the contrary shall be made." So does Oregon own the standards? No. Does Wisconsin own the standards? No. Does Massachusetts own the standards?
No. No state owns the standards.The license agreement makes it clear that although the NGA and the CCSSO own the standards, they do not stand behind them or make any claim to their efficacy or effectiveness. In fact, they want nothing to do with accountability, outcomes, or any damage the standards may cause.
Reading the policy, one is reminded of the
"Sold As-Is" sticker on the window of a used car. This part of the license is written
by the NGA and CCSSO lawyers in all capital letters, presumably so states don't miss it and fail to understand the implications:
THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS ARE
PROVIDED AS-IS AND WITH ALL FAULTS, AND
NGA CENTER/CCSSO MAKE NO REPRESENTATIONS OR WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, STATUTORY OR OTHERWISE, INCLUDING, WITHOUT LIMITATION, WARRANTIES OF TITLE, MERCHANTIBILITY [sic], FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, NONINFRINGEMENT, ACCURACY, OR
THE PRESENCE OR ABSENCE OF ERRORS, WHETHER OR NOT DISCOVERABLE.The standards have no guarantee of "fitness for a particular purpose." The purpose of the standards is college- and career-readiness for K-12 students in all states where they were adopted. But the NGA and the CCSSO clearly do not warranty or guarantee their fitness, accuracy, or absence of errors.
If anything is found lacking in the standards, or if in fact our education system circles the drain in the coming years,
the NGA and the CCSSO want nothing to do with any liability for the standards.
Children, parents, teachers, school districts, and states are on their own. This section is presented in all capital letters, as well, lest anyone become confused and believe the developers can be held responsible in any way for what was developed:UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHALL NGA CENTER OR CCSSO, INDIVIDUALLY OR JOINTLY, BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, CONSEQUENTIAL, OR PUNITIVE DAMAGES HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY LEGAL THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER FOR CONTRACT, TORT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THE COMMON CORE STATE STANDARDS, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH RISK AND POTENTIAL DAMAGE. WITHOUT LIMITING THE FOREGOING, LICENSEE WAIVES THE RIGHT TO SEEK LEGAL REDRESS AGAINST, AND RELEASES FROM ALL LIABILITY AND COVENANTS NOT TO SUE, NGA CENTER AND CCSSO.
Some are left wondering why there is such emphasis on not being held responsible for the results of something that is supposedly well-researched, benchmarked, and developed by experts. In fact, Common Core is not benchmarked or based on any scientific or education studies. It's simply based on what the NGA, CCSSO, and their agent, Achieve, Inc., wanted to produce. And they are not education "experts."
It seems that if the giant, national experiment that is Common Core fails, those opponents who are sending up warnings that this is a bad idea will have to be satisfied with saying,
"We told you so."It will come as no surprise to those who have studied Common Core to learn that should some entity be foolish enough to be undeterred by all the legal protections with which the developers have shielded themselves, a lawsuit could not be filed in any state where the "state-led" standards were supposedly developed.
The NGA and the CCSSO are private lobbying organizations headquartered in Washington, D.C., and as such: "A court of competent jurisdiction in Washington, D.C. shall be the exclusive forum for the resolution of any disputes regarding this License, and consent to the personal and subject matter jurisdiction, and venue, of such court is irrevocably given."
The Common Core license agreement demonstrates a
lack of confidence in the product.
If it were a used car, no one would buy it.http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/mar14/common-core-developers-fail-to-warranty-product.html
(Remarks in Parenthesis and blue ar my opinion)
WICHITA, Kansas – For lawmakers, Governor Brownback signing the controversial education bill into law Monday afternoon is a huge win for the classroom.
One of the provisions in the law allows people with experience in companies or advanced degrees to go straight into the classroom rather than earn their teaching degree.
"They are going to be able to go into our classrooms and teach because they are well qualified individuals, who lacked having that teaching license, and sometimes that is prohibitive if somebody was just let go, or they are at the end of their career when Boeing just left town," said Sen. Michael O'Donnell.
But some teachers have had a very different response to the law.
"My first thought was this is ludicrous. How can someone, who has no teaching background, come in and expect to be highly qualified teachers of science or math? It doesn't make any sense," said David Clark, science teacher.
(How many non-highly qualified teachers do we have in the classroom now? How many teachers bore their kids to sleep?) For teachers, who have their license, putting someone who hasn't had special training on how to teach children could be more of a hindrance than an advantage.
(Could be a great experience for everyone. We should be so fortunate to get someone with real life field experience. Aren't the teachers just afraid of a Masters Degree in Science or Mathematics? Aren't they just afraid of being shown up?)"It's not as simple. I think as let's throw some math and science educated people," said Clark.
(I taught a lot of young sailors aboard ship (fresh out of high school) I would never have thought I would be doing that. But it happened because of real life on the job experience.)
(Didn't we just get rid of a School Superintendent, wasn't he educated in education, didn't he have a teaching license? Can we hear it for that konnected positive attitude locally)Now that the bill is law, it's an issue that individual districts will decide on as they determine who they want to hire.
"This is a great win for the teachers and the classroom because we're going to have opportunities to have individuals who have masters degrees in math and science," said O'Donnell.
(They might even bring some freshness to the profession? Maybe we could earn a blue ribbon school, year after year.)http://ksn.com/2014/04/21/alternative-teacher-licensing-part-of-controversial-school-finance-bill/
(Remarks in Parenthesis and blue are my opinion
Personally I think we got a good deal especially with the tax break, I sure hope so. Only time will tell. )
TOPEKA, Kansas - Gov. Sam Brownback has signed a $129 million school funding measure aimed at satisfying a March 7 Kansas Supreme Court ruling.
The signing took place at 4 p.m. at the Governor's Ceremonial Office.
Legislators finished work on the bill April 6 and will go back to a three-judge district court panel for review.
The measure increases spending by more than $129 million, funds separate programs at state colleges and universities and makes changes in education policy, including teacher employment rights.
"It provides $73 million into the classroom and $78 million in property tax relief annually. It returns local control to school districts and counties," said Brownback. "It is an investment in our future of our children and in the future of our state."
Brownback's supporters have praised the measure for providing more money for education and property tax relief to school districts.
(Elk County really needs this, especially the way West Elk USD-282 School Board is constantly trying to figure new ways to raise property taxes. And also because we are right up there at the top of the list of county's paying the most property tax in Kansas )Money aside, Democratic Minority Leader Paul Davis says he is uncomfortable with a provision in the bill that makes it easier for teachers to be fired.
"But unfortunately, Governor Brownback and his allies in the legislature inserted a provision that does away with due process rights for teachers."
(Really due process or just tenure? Sure it can make it easier to fire a poor teacher! Unless you are a poor teacher what do you have to fear, besides fear itself? Perhaps the perceived pressure on teachers will motivate some to be better teachers.)
(Don't they still have thieir teachers union? Don't they have far better due process than the average worker without a union? I also taught young people in the Naval Shipyard, wothout tenure. Whoopie!)
How States Compare
in the 2014
Best High Schools Rankings
By Robert Morse April 21, 2014
How States Compare in the 2014 Best High Schools Rankings
Maine performed the best in the latest rankings of public high schools.
By Robert Morse April 21, 2014 SHARE
A state-by-state breakdown of the 2014 Best High Schools rankings shows that Maine is this year's leading performer, with 22.2 percent of its eligible schools earning gold and silver medals.
(Look for Kansas at the bottom of the list.)
This year's rankings covered all 50 states and the District of Columbia.
State rank State Number of eligible high schools* Total number of gold medal schools Percent of schools with gold medals Total number of silver medal schools Percent of schools with silver medals Total number of gold and silver medals Percent of schools with gold and silver medals
1 ME 90 4 4.4% 16 17.8% 20 22.2%
2 CA 1,872 105 5.6% 310 16.6% 415 22.2%
3 CT 188 17 9.0% 20 10.6% 37 19.7%
4 MA 341 22 6.5% 41 12.0% 63 18.5%
5 MD 228 13 5.7% 29 12.7% 42 18.4%
6 NH 83 0 0.0% 13 15.7% 13 15.7%
7 VA 319 20 6.3% 28 8.8% 48 15.0%
8 OH 824 22 2.7% 93 11.3% 115 14.0%
9 TX 1,382 54 3.9% 135 9.8% 189 13.7%
10 CO 331 14 4.2% 31 9.4% 45 13.6%
11 VT 59 0 0.0% 8 13.6% 8 13.6%
12 NY 1,136 55 4.8% 99 8.7% 154 13.6%
13 FL 602 29 4.8% 52 8.6% 81 13.5%
14 DC 31 2 6.5% 2 6.5% 4 12.9%
15 WA 433 9 2.1% 46 10.6% 55 12.7%
16 IN 362 4 1.1% 41 11.3% 45 12.4%
17 GA 414 17 4.1% 34 8.2% 51 12.3%
18 KY 229 5 2.2% 23 10.0% 28 12.2%
19 AK 82 0 0.0% 10 12.2% 10 12.2%
20 NJ 383 25 6.5% 19 5.0% 44 11.5%
21 IL 628 19 3.0% 53 8.4% 72 11.5%
22 AZ 378 8 2.1% 35 9.3% 43 11.4%
23 NC 329 2 0.6% 34 10.3% 36 10.9%
24 RI 49 1 2.0% 4 8.2% 5 10.2%
25 NV 73 1 1.4% 6 8.2% 7 9.6%
26 OR 283 4 1.4% 22 7.8% 26 9.2%
27 NM 160 3 1.9% 11 6.9% 14 8.8%
28 PA 674 7 1.0% 49 7.3% 56 8.3%
29 HI 49 0 0.0% 4 8.2% 4 8.2%
30 MT 37 1 2.7% 2 5.4% 3 8.1%
31 AR 273 1 0.4% 21 7.7% 22 8.1%
32 DE 25 0 0.0% 2 8.0% 2 8.0%
33 MN 518 7 1.4% 34 6.6% 41 7.9%
34 MI 780 10 1.3% 50 6.4% 60 7.7%
35 WI 446 2 0.4% 32 7.2% 34 7.6%
36 SC 207 2 1.0% 12 5.8% 14 6.8%
37 ID 166 1 0.6% 10 6.0% 11 6.6%
38 WY 62 0 0.0% 4 6.5% 4 6.5%
39 WV 112 0 0.0% 7 6.3% 7 6.3%
40 OK 281 4 1.4% 11 3.9% 15 5.3%
41 TN 333 4 1.2% 13 3.9% 17 5.1%
42 AL 356 3 0.8% 12 3.4% 15 4.2%
43 IA 334 0 0.0% 12 3.6% 12 3.6%
44 UT 148 1 0.7% 4 2.7% 5 3.4%
45 MO 473 2 0.4% 13 2.7% 15 3.2%
46 NE 170 0 0.0% 4 2.4% 4 2.4%
47 KS 109 0 0.0% 2 1.8% 2 1.8%48 SD 122 0 0.0% 2 1.6% 2 1.6%
49 LA 301 0 0.0% 3 1.0% 3 1.0%
50 MS 244 0 0.0% 1 0.4% 1 0.4%
51 ND 104 0 0.0% 0 0.0% 0 0.0%
See the complete Article at: http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/articles/2014/04/21/how-states-compare-in-the-2014-best-high-schools-rankings
Best High Schools
in Kansas
We reviewed 31,242 U.S. public high schools; 32 Kansas schools made our rankings.
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/kansas/rankings
Kansas High Schools Ratings
Go to : (to see West Elk USD-282 Near KS Avg there is no information on the Schools National Average.)
http://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/kansas/rankings?schooltypepublic=y&schooltypemagnet=y&state=KS&schooltypecharter=y&page=16
Do we still need to focus more on Sports or Education?
What is our School Board doing to improve education at West Elk?
We have been told that West Elk is doing above average, but this chart from http://www.usnews.com/ says otherwise.
Which is it a million dollar gymnasium and more sports
and higher property taxes
or
More Focus on Education.
So do our elected officials called School Board Members of West Elk USD-282 listen to the voters?
Or do they listen to someone else?
Or do they possibly listen to some organization?
I know they don't listen to themselves, because I heard them say at several School Board meetings that a School Bond Issue will not pass, the voters won't go for it.
I heard them plan this June 3, 2014 Bond Issue while saying if it fails they would have time to get a November Bond Issue ready.
Does any of that sound like they have your property taxes in mind? They even said they could raise property taxes again by 4 mil even if the Bond Issue passes to meet whatever the $4 million doesn't cover.
Let's review what West Elk USD-282 already has:
1. A school Building Designed to house 600 students. And only 300 student's.
2. Four Portable Class Room Modules for an additional 8 Class Rooms.
3. A penchant for building professional sports facility.
4. A below average grade as posted in a previous post in this thread.
5. A recent Bond Issue just a couple of years ago with 75% of the tax payers voted a
Resounding "NO".
6. An estimated $28,000 or more wasted on Architects.
So who are they listening to?
Maybe the School Board President who said his children will probably grow up and graduate with out being able to experience the pleasure of playing in a brand new gymnasium?
Or are they listening to the
Konnected School Board Members.Here is something interesting I ran across about Common Core, and how we are being used.
And a couple of my remarks. Just click on the line above the box to go to the thread and read the article.
Quote from: ROSS on April 24, 2014, 01:57:46 PM
Here is the proof that just because
you have money and may be considered
the elite
doesn't mean you are smart.
Are we to be so easily bought?
Are we to be someone's whore just because they have money?
Are we to be their play toy?
We each need to evaluate ourselves, IMHO!
One Man's Money: Bill Gates,
Education, and Common Core
You decide.
For you Elk Konnected people.
Especially School Board Members and County Commissioner about Economic Development and what won't work.
Week in Review: Errors, doomsday and
tax breaks
By Travis Perry / April 25, 2014
In the last two years alone, Kansas has distributed more than $28 million in payroll tax breaks to encourage businesses to create new jobs in the Sunflower State. But a Missouri university professor broke the data down by the numbers, and the results aren't pretty. What's the big find? As it turns out, receiving a government handout doesn't make a business more likely to create new jobs.
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Also building a larger
un-needed School Building won't but harm our present economic situation even further.
And it will not help the continuing decline in population.
Neither will running another School Bond issue in November when Bond Issue the on June 3rd gets voted down.
If you want economic development in Elk County you have to start with the basics and it is not complicated.
The more you raise taxes, the further damage you do to Elk County Economics, that is as simple as it gets.
The more you raise taxes, the more people you drive out of the county.
Which causes further declines in population.
Even driving out poor folks hurts the few merchants in Elk County.
Because there goes the food stamps. (Economics - money for the store owners pocket.)
Because there goes the poor children reducing school enrollment even further.
Elk County Population
2000 3,261 −2.0%
2010 2,882 −11.6%
Est.2012 2,720 −5.6%
As of the 2010 census, the Howard city population was 687.
So with a guesstimated minimum decline of 2% population per year
the population might look like this:
For Elk County
2012 - 2065
2014 - 2023
For Howard
2011 - 673
2012 - 660
2013 - 647
2014 - 634
I figure these are on the low side, actual decline may be more extensive.
If you have better numbers, please share them with us.
Economic Growth is suppose to show Growth in numbers not a decline !
Simple Economics: Drive people away with ever higher taxes, reduces the amount of money entering the county and there is less money to be spent with the store owners. Which means less money for maintaining a business, which leads to more store closures.
Building
un-necessary School Buildings or Extensions or add on's by raising taxes damages the Economy of the County as a whole - not just the School District.
Simple Common Sense.
(Not Common Core)
A
"NO" vote on the June 3rd ballot will be best for Elk County as a whole.
That is not what the
Elk Konnected Kommunity and the people they have in elected positions want to hear, I'm sure. But, that is quite alright, because we have a larger and a better and a real community that needs taken care of. A community that and is depicted on the maps, real boundary's. Not imaginary.
Isn't it time to look out for Elk County as a real and a whole community instead of listening to an imaginary
Kommunity. Isn't it time to ignore a
Kommunity. whose apparent and only distinguishable trait is to play with just a very few of the county's children, occasionally, in order to get their name in the newspaper?
Vote "NO" to preserve what is left of the County!
Vote "NO" to preserve what is left of the taxpayer!
Vote "NO" because it is the only sensible thing to do!
Vote "NO" because it is what the School Board expects!Just my thoughts and opinions. I hope enough people agree !
This Includes Education and School Politics
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Front page of this weeks
newspaper
is a
hoot!
.
I guess the School Board and the Editor think we lack the ability to comprehend the bias in the story about the school bond.
The editor did call us a bunch of boobs, didn't he?(all emphasis is mine)
In
my opinion their
arrogant ignorance stands out like a sore thumb.
Yes, I'm talking about the School Board, the Editor and their
Konnections with
Elk Konnected. If you are proud of being
Elk Konnected how about using those Kommunication Skills and tell us who you are and why you are proud to be
Elk Konnected.
The Editor reported, "This is the first attempt since 2009 when a bond issue election failed --- one that would have constructed a new elementary facility on the
HOWARD campus."
(Mr. Editor there is no
Howard Campus, there is what could be referred to as West Elk USD-282 District Campus. Sorry Howard, you lose! Not everything in Elk County is about Howard, sorry. Or the rest of the county would not be voting, would they?)
The Editor, said they chose to merge all educational training to
ONE CENTRAL CAMPUS, located outside of Howard along Highway 99.
Where have we heard all that
CENTRALLY LOCATED garbage before?
Wasn't it
Elk Konnected ?Let's review
page one of this thread shall we?
Elk Konnected'shand out to what was the
Elk Konnected Kommissioners Board ,
right?I'm going to high light parts of this.
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
I sure am glad they didn't get full control of the county aren't you?
Each of the little communities have their own personality and I personally like that, don't you?
We finally wrested county control away from them, but I hear they are already planning to take it back.
Is that what we want?
I know two members of the School Board are
Elk Konnected and I believe all the rest except one are also
Elk Konnected !Why do I say that?
None will deny being
Elk Konnected members, that's why!
I have to get busy with my chores, I'll get back to the newspaper article a little later.
Thank you for your tolerance. After all, I'm no newspaper editor.
Now some more
about that
Hoot
of a newspaper!
LOL
The newspaper said we had an increase in student enrollment, I find that really strange, because I can't find such record with the Kansas State Department of Education. Those extra bodies have to be reported to the state, in order for the school district, to be paid for those extra students? And I am wondering, where they are coming from, with a continuing decline of population in Elk County.
Does any one know?
Can anyone find where an increase in student enrollment was reported to the state?
I'd sure like to see a link for the web page that shows that increase.
The newspaper says the actual election is set for Tuesday, June 17th. What happened to the advertised June 3 that was written up in the legal announcement in the newspaper and as reported to the Kansas State Department of Education?
Oh well, the paper says the County will be mailing out the ballots on or about May 28th. I'm sure we can count on the County to get the job done! But the paper says on or about May 28th, why the waffling. Can't the School Board set a date and get the job done?
The newspaper discussed the worthless survey the school board ran which I don't feel was worth all the expense let alone all the paper used to print copies for everyone. If the School Board was smart they could have saved a lot of money and used digital paper, so to speak. What ever happened to understanding the digital world of computers? And their public meeting the newspaper mentioned was nothing short of a flop.
Well, the newspaper also says we will be mailed a ballot and specific information about what the ballot is for. How sweet of them, more paper waste? It is on the ballot right? And on top of that they are going to tell you all about the appurtenances, how gracious of them. Just what are appurtenances?
Well Merriam Webster says --- an object that is used for something. Are you duly impressed?
You see the School Board was told by the architect, not to write additional stuff on the ballot, so they are just going to stuff the envelope.
The newspaper also states, "Instructions will be included on how to mark the ballot to vote either for or against the proposal which will be submitted in detail with the ballot." Isn't that sweet of the School Board, to think we need detailed instructions, on how to mark either the Yes or No box on the ballot. All us Elk County Boobs need detailed instructions don't we?
The School Board in my opinion is simply trying to confuse the voting public and the process, hoping to get the thing passed. They already know it won't, and have already stated, at meetings, they will brow beat us by doing it all over again in November.
They are expecting a "NO", so let's not let them down.
"Throughout history, supposedly enlightened elite's have been able to convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The fact that they have always been wrong before does not, somehow, lead them to question those assumptions in the present day, because this is such a convenient belief to have."
There are those that oppose OPPOSITION even when they know they are wrong! That will make up problems that don't exist or create a problem to prove themselves right. All the while they still remain wrong! Are they not wrong in opposing OPPOSITION?
Folks remember you have the power to change things towards your own positive. You don't have to be boobs.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
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"A life directed chiefly toward the fulfillment of personal desires will sooner or later always lead to bitter disappointment."
—Albert Einstein ---
Awe heck, I'm tired and heading to see the sandman.
I'll be praying for some more rain tonight.
Good night all.
Quote from: ROSS on May 08, 2014, 09:34:51 PM
Now some more
about that
Hoot
of a newspaper!
LOL
The newspaper said we had an increase in student enrollment, I find that really strange, because I can't find such record with the Kansas State Department of Education. Those extra bodies have to be reported to the state, in order for the school district, to be paid for those extra students? And I am wondering, where they are coming from, with a continuing decline of population in Elk County.
Does any one know?
Can anyone find where an increase in student enrollment was reported to the state?
I'd sure like to see a link for the web page that shows that increase.
The newspaper says the actual election is set for Tuesday, June 17th. What happened to the advertised June 3 that was written up in the legal announcement in the newspaper and as reported to the Kansas State Department of Education?
Oh well, the paper says the County will be mailing out the ballots on or about May 28th. I'm sure we can count on the County to get the job done! But the paper says on or about May 28th, why the waffling. Can't the School Board set a date and get the job done?
The newspaper discussed the worthless survey the school board ran which I don't feel was worth all the expense let alone all the paper used to print copies for everyone. If the School Board was smart they could have saved a lot of money and used digital paper, so to speak. What ever happened to understanding the digital world of computers? And their public meeting the newspaper mentioned was nothing short of a flop.
Well, the newspaper also says we will be mailed a ballot and specific information about what the ballot is for. How sweet of them, more paper waste? It is on the ballot right? And on top of that they are going to tell you all about the appurtenances, how gracious of them. Just what are appurtenances?
Well Merriam Webster says --- an object that is used for something. Are you duly impressed?
You see the School Board was told by the architect, not to write additional stuff on the ballot, so they are just going to stuff the envelope.
The newspaper also states, "Instructions will be included on how to mark the ballot to vote either for or against the proposal which will be submitted in detail with the ballot." Isn't that sweet of the School Board, to think we need detailed instructions, on how to mark either the Yes or No box on the ballot. All us Elk County Boobs need detailed instructions don't we?
The School Board in my opinion is simply trying to confuse the voting public and the process, hoping to get the thing passed. They already know it won't, and have already stated, at meetings, they will brow beat us by doing it all over again in November.
They are expecting a "NO", so let's not let them down.
"Throughout history, supposedly enlightened elite's have been able to convince themselves that they are right and everyone else is wrong. The fact that they have always been wrong before does not, somehow, lead them to question those assumptions in the present day, because this is such a convenient belief to have."
There are those that oppose OPPOSITION even when they know they are wrong! That will make up problems that don't exist or create a problem to prove themselves right. All the while they still remain wrong! Are they not wrong in opposing OPPOSITION?
Folks remember you have the power to change things towards your own positive. You don't have to be boobs.
Your local vote carries much more power than your national vote.
Please remember you have the POWER of the VOTE.
When this comes about encourage your friends to vote as well.
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and problems solved.
Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just Tell The Elite " NO "
"A life directed chiefly toward the fulfillment of personal desires will sooner or later always lead to bitter disappointment."
—Albert Einstein ---
Awe heck, I'm tired and heading to see the sandman.
I'll be praying for some more rain tonight.
Good night all.
Remember when I complained on here, about not receiving my West Elk USD282 School Board meeting Agenda until after the meeting. The administration told me it some times takes a week for the Post Office to deliver. Well since that time that I complained, I have never received another one late.
My most recent Agenda arrived yesterday 0n 5/10/2014 and the post mark was 7/9/2014. Less than a 24 our delivery and each and every one has been delivered just like that. Good Job Post Office. Shame on the West Elk-282 administration.
But let me tell you about just one item on the agenda.
Under Roman Numeral IV. Discussions/Action Items
Under Letter A.
The Agenda states -
AOG Update-Wayne Wilhite
For those that might not know
AOG stands for the
Assembly
of
God Church
Actually, I don't think they want to be recognized as a church, but as a Community Center or Family Center or some such thing. And the use of AOG instead of Assembly of God strikes me as denial of God.
What a shame, no use of the word Church, no use of the word God just
AOG. I really wonder why?
Is it because of political correctness or what?
Is it a leadership decision?
With what I see of leadership, all the way up to the President of the US of A, I feel the questions must be asked. No. I don't really expect an answer not with today's world of so called leadership.
Now, if I recollect the School Board opted to drop the $1000 a month, to the Church plan!
So is the church hurting for money and going to call in some favors, just asking?
Is the church perhaps Konnected and planning to use
Konnected School Board Members to gain that $1000 a month rent money?
Can't a person ask a simple question? And get an honest answer?
it will be interesting to see if the church shows up to beg, after all, they surely spent extra money to make the church usable by the West Elk-USD 282 School District, didn't they?
I'll be there, Lord willing, to see what that is all about. Oh the drama. LOL
I hope it's not a let down.
i tried reading the School Board of Education Meeting Minutes, but guess what the only meetings posted are from 2011-07-25 to 2013-07-08. These so called leaders of the Community are hi-behind on their leading, aren't they? Which Leader accepts any responsibility on the School Board?
Check out the posting of Board Minutes at http://www.westelk.us/boe-minutes/ .
While we are at it, let's take a look at what the (I guess what could be called the minority leaders!) Site Council is doing, shall we ? They have listed Minutes for February 4. 2013, March 7, 2013, March 28. 2013 and finally September 24, 2013. Where are the rest of the minutes?
The last posting for the Site Council stated and I quote, "The next site council meeting will be
November 12th at 6:30 p.m.in the West Elk Library." So were there no more meetings of the Site Council?
Or are they too failing, at getting their Minutes posted.
I'd like to know what the Site Council has accomplished, if anything?
Has the Site Council discussed or addressed Common Core?
Do they provide any information to the School Board?
What is the deal at West Elk-USD 282?
Does Education, even get a little bit of attention?
Or is it strictly Sports, Professional Style Football and Baseball Fields and un-needed Construction that get's attention?
No, no, no, I'm sorry, I'm wrong! Un-needed Taxation of the School District Property owners is in the lime light right now.
People please do not mistake the mail-in ballot for junk mail. It was brought to my attention by a resident, that, may be the main reason for a mail in ballot. Hoping most people would think of it as junk mail and throw it away. I will be especially alert to my mail starting tomorrow, because they have changed the voting date, so what is to keep them from changing the mailing date?
Oh I know, the board would say a mail-in ballot is cheaper but I would not believe that reason. After all look at the just getting here.
And they wasted all that money knowing that this Bond issue will fail if everyone votes. If it is only Howard people vote it will most likely pass. That was shown in the last Bond Issue Ballot, remember?
So keep a sharp eye for those mail-in ballots and get them sent back as soon as possible.
May the Force of the Vote be with the landowners and Tax Relief not Tax Increase.
Just Say
NO
Here's hoping everyone is having great day.
I borrowed this from one of Warph's posts and changed it up a little, okay a lot. LOL
"You might be a liberal-progressive if you paid $500,000.00 for some portable class rooms
once used by some one else and are now ready to dispose of them".
"You might be a liberal-progressive if you vote to pass an un-needed School Bond for $4,000 ,000.00, for an un-needed gymnasium, just to appease a School Board President, that cried, that his children will grow up and graduate, without having the pleasure and use of a Brand New Gymnasium."
I'm sorry, Mr. President, I sure would hate to see that happen.
But it is not the taxpayers responsibility to provide for a new Gymnasium for your children.
I'd suggest you ask Elk Konnected to help you erect a new Gymnasium in your back yard --- problem solved. Perhaps through the Elk Konnected leadershp, you could build it as a Kommunity Project and in the fashion of an old style Barn Raising.
Call them Kommunity Organizers NOW.
Good Luck and Best Wishes.
It's late and I'm tired so I'll keep this short.
Our Konnected School Board Member Whetstone showed up at 9 p.m. He may have showed up in time for the Executive session. I don't know because I was in the parking lot getting in my vehicle to head home, because the meeting is virtually over for observers.
Mr. Wayne Wilhite of the Assembly of God Church, did not show up to provide his update, as listed on the agenda. I wonder what happened. I hope all is well with him.
Guess what, I think someone is watching this thread, so if you have any ideas try posting them here. I think they saw the comparison, I posted of the set up of board meeting tables between West Elk and Elk Valley School Boards. LOL
The Technician during his report made a suggestion about setting up the School Board tables in a "U" shape. I noticed a couple of the school board members faces cringe on the thought. But the technician went on to explain that people talking to the board are standing in front of the audience blocking the view. Then a conversation pursued.
Mr. Evans in the audience was some how recognized, and explained that the board members were difficult to be heard and therefore he relies on lip reading. (I can appreciate that because, I do the same thing.) Mr. Evans explained that when people get up in front of the board, then he can not see the board members in order to read their lips. Excellent job Mr. Evans.
Perhaps this will lead to a more dignified meeting. By that, I mean perhaps the picnic will end. Just think you are sitting there observing the schools business meeting, watching these people stuffing their face, eating, Well, it makes me think of one of my cows chewing their cud. Just how dignified is that?
So folks, we may get a new arrangement at school board meetings, which will be a major improvement.
Basic communication skills include facing audience, Any good leader realizes that.
Good night folks.
A little more about last night's School Board Meeting for you.
Maintenance stated Harrods removed the bad dirt from the football field and it is to late in the season to build that hump in the football field. They also need to find somewhere to get good dirt.
The superintendent stated that the dirt had large rocks and large roots in it. Super for a football field isn't. Great delivery --- NOT!
It was asked if the maintenance man could find grass that stayed green longer. Someone joked it's out there, it's called artificial turf. Ha, ha!
How much of the taxpayers money needs to be spent on sports at this school?
Oh yea, that's right, until they have a professional sports complex, right?
Still under maintenance: going to pay $6000.00 for carpet to replace or cover a tile floor. Isn't tile less expensive and easier to maintain? Oh well it's only taxpayer money and doesn't need to be spent towards the children's education. A Taj Mahal is more important, isn't it? I'm still waiting for the Crystal Chandelier.
Oh yes, we gotta get a big screen monitor for the School Board Meetings, so when someone wants to give a presentation they don't have to use the expensive computer projectors.
We can't even get this years School Board Minutes posted on the School Web site, what is with that?
A School Board Member was concerned about West Elk people sitting at third base while playing at home. I think it made him feel like a second class citizen or something! Such sensitivity about sports, wow! I wish they had that kind of sensitivity about taxpayer dollars, don't you?
Well folks the coach was there and graciously explained, " The head coach of the home team coaches third base and the assistant coach, coaches first base.And the head coach likes to have his team in the dug out at third base where he is." I sure hope I got that correct! But really is that School Board Business?
Under Student Growth Measures:
Figure out teacher Evaluations.
Use Dibbles or what?
Dibble is being used for Title 1 right now.
The Superintendent said, it is the School Boards Responsibility and that the State won't help.
The Superintendent repeated, School Board is suppose to tell him what tools to use to evaluate the teachers.
The Superintendent said, he doesn't know what is being used right now for math, that isn't happening right now.
This is me talking right now, I do know that the School Board can require more frequent evaluations than just the required State minimum. And as far as the State not helping! This is the State helping.
(http://community.ksde.org/Portals/44/Images/Evaluation-Header.png)
Try the 2014-2015 Kansas Model for Adding Student Growth Measures to All Kansas Educator Evaluation Systems at http://community.ksde.org/Default.aspx?tabid=4400
i sure hope the School Board finds this helpful. There is also a lot of other help from KSDE on line, all of the following information is available as help from the STATE at www.ksde.org , And you folks claimed us old folks did not understand the importance of technology, really look in the mirror. And I got no edumaction paper, i.e. College Diploma, LOL!
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Time for School Board Members to do some studying in order to do ther jobs, isn't it?
Next we had the Principal report only she wasn't there.
So the Superintendent said, she was only going say we will be getting more kids next year. He also said she has been getting calls.
Back to me again, to me that statement means absolutely nothing!
I'd like to ask her the following:
Where are the kids coming from?
Is there going to be a sudden increase in the population of Elk County?
How many kids are we going to be getting 2 or 200?
What happened to the thirty kids from Grenola that you told us about that were coming to West Elk?
Doesn't accepting kids from other school districts in such great numbers, hurt that school district?
Is that a West Elk Goal, to hurt other school districts in Elk County?
Why do thirty kids all of a sudden, after the school year has all ready started, decide to come to West Elk and then leave before, the end of the school year?
And if what the Superintendent says about not having room for the kids you have, why take in other district kids?
Does taking in those thirty kids have anything to do with sports and when football season and basketball season end they go back to their home school?
Really what is going on? Is it possible? How do the professional sports do it, they more or less recruit don't they?
Some real answers would be nice?
The School Board Members will be canvassing the District for votes for the Bond Issue.
They may be calling on you at home or at your place of business.
Whatever they tell you, ask for proof, other than just verbal words.
Ask some of the hard questions shown in this post.
Folks, I think that is enough for this School Board Meeting.
I have a lot of my own work to get back to.
Remember Just Say "No"!
Remember now, this is all just my opinion ad nothing more. You know like he Editorials in any newspaper. LOL (I ain't no Editor.)
Goodnight Folks.
Lookie here, I and Bill Curtis both have something in common.
We were both born and raised i Independence. How about that?
We both grew up and left home, Independence, Ks that is.
We neither one returned to live in Independence, not yet anyway.
But I wanted to show this video Bill Curtis narrates for the benefit of Elk Konnected, because it is supposedly about quality of life. If that is what a person considers quality of life. And it shows all the large industrial companies that provide the monies that provide that quality of life.
Mr. Curtis is good enough to explain that Independence is and always been open to outsiders, without calling them outsiders.
The major thing left out of video the video are the run down parts of town and the people that do not have the good paying jobs and can not afford to pay to go to the Inge plays. Yes, Independence has the poor and the run down right along with the better paid.
I bet Independence also has far more crime than all of Elk County does.
So I believe I have the better quality of life right here in Elk County, just the way it is.
If I want all the glamor I can go visit and then come back home to Elk County.
Durn, I missed my 50th class reunion in Independence, oh well, no big deal.
Prior to Sinclair Oil there was Prairie Oil and then Sinclair and Atlantic Richfield merged and then it became ARCO Pipeline. Who I worked for, for thirteen years. Then British Petroleum out and moved them (BP) bought the corporate office to Houston. I believe they simply gave the Arco building to Independence,
Here is that beautiful video of my home town, is this the quality of life you want? It is just 40 miles away.
2014 City of Independence, Kansas Quality of Life Video
For some reason I could not get the video to post so here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMJTzHIW8Wo#t=224
Good Friday Morning,
I finally got my laptop computer running again, but only after putting in a new hard drive.
I am still recovering programs, lot of fun. LOL
I noticed the West Elk USD 282 web site finally placed the school board meetings up there for everyone to see. Good Job whoever is responsible and thank you.
I don't have adobe reader at the moment so I can't read them. I'll download it later.
But, I wanted to ask if anyone has read the minutes posted in this weeks paper?
Just to show you that the school board is a real mess, Id only suggest you read the minutes. I'd ask that you note how many times a motion was made and seconded and failed on selecting one of the architects. I must ask a very simple question, what is the school board members problem with communicating with each other? Do they lack the ability to have a decent discussion as to why they want or don't want to use a particular architects? What I have observed at these meetings is pathetic as far as board members with each other communicating. Perhaps, that is why they won't video the meetings and post them on the web site for the community to see.
My personal opinion is that we need to get rid of elites that are incapable of communicating amongst themselves let alone incapable of keeping the School District patrons and mostly the taxpayer citizens. What I think would serve the district and the children's education far better would be a bunch of hard working, taxpaying rednecks that know how to communicate with each other.
I sure hope you can agree that this board is only interested in putting us further and further in debt to only satisfy the elite in our district, of their own importance. And a foolish attempt at economic development as always with only the interest of Howard.
I hope you will read those minutes and also read about how they are going to reach out to you to vote for this foolishness. And also notice that they can not say that 4 Million Dollars may not pay for all they want.
Frawin alludes in a politically correct way that I am lying to you in my posts. Here is what I think of politically correct, cowardly B.S. used to confuse the people it is directed at. You decide:
Quote from: frawin on May 14, 2014, 07:31:48 PM
Crosstimber a big thank you for getting the facts on the Chisholm View wind project. Ross never likes the facts unless they agree with his always negative view. I think if the West Elk taxpayers would get the facts from the school board they would find a lot if not most of what Ross has put out there is not true.
I responded that there were no facts at least not backed by any links. So doesn't the facts only equate to personal opinion?
That is why I don't asks you to believe what I post, because it is mainly only my opinion. Just like the editor of the newspaper in his editorials, they are just his opinion. Those opinions called Editorials are only to create thinking on the part of the reader, possibly to start communications amongst the readers.
Oh, one more thought and that is about "Quality of Life".
To me "Quality of Life" is not about a big fancy building, it's not about a big fancy parade, it's not about being a very important person with lots and lots of money. None of that impresses me.
Quality of Life to me, is my family and the love involved, it's about friends and the love and trust involved, it's is about living amongst a few good people as neighbors. Quality of Life is not about a bunch of bells and whistles as some would have us believe.
Quality of life is the little parade where a boy saddles his cow and rides it down main street in a small town parade and the cow sits down mid-way down the street. And everyone enjoys it.
Quality of life is a fishing rod in your hand and your child or grand child with one in their hand. Maybe even the whole family with fishing rods.
Quality of Life is where people help each other when needed and when possible without some Non Governmental Organization dictating what you should do and how you should do it. and demanding that you have to volunteer for them. No organization can dictate quality of life in my opinion.
There is so much more to "Quality of Life" than I can express in a single post, so I will stop right here.
I hope each and everyone of you that read this have a great weekend.
These notes were copied and pasted from:MINUTES-of the regular meeting of the West Elk USD #282 Board of Education, held Monday, March 10, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. at the West Elk District Office, Howard, Kansas.
Discussion continued.
At 7:55 p.m. Whetstone declared a conflict of interest and exited the meeting.
Further discussion regarding hiring an architect.
Bellar moved to hire Esprit Architecture. Walker seconded. Motion failed. (3-2) Hilton and Hare voted no.
Hare moved to hire PBA Architect firm. Black seconded. Motion failed. (3-2) (Walker and Bellar voted no.)
Black moved to table hiring an architect. Walker seconded and motion passed. (4-1) (Hilton voted no.)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXWhere was the discussion about the Architects?Where were the: Who, What, Where, When, Why and How of a discussion?Are college educated people taught not to ask questions, i.e.:
1. Why do you want to hire this particular firm? 2. Why do you not to hire this Firm?3. Who would you suggest and why?4. How is firm one better than firm 2?Where is there any real discussions?
Just what was Konnected Whetstone's declared conflict of interest?Was it something to do with the Architects?Is it possible he has a financial interest in one of the firms?Would there by some chance be one or two people on the board that know what the conflict of interest is, and could be supportive of that conflict of interest? Is that perhaps why there is no real discussion?If an agency is involved in that conflict of interest, wouldn't it be best to remove that firm to alleviate any doubt?So what is the conflict of interest? Shouldn't that be aired, not hidden?
TRANSPARENCY IN SCHOOL GOVERNMENT IS A MUST IN MY OPINION!
I sure wouldn't trust this group with any major decisions.
After all, due to a lack of communications, they screwed UP (big time) a simple matter, like getting dirt for the football field, didn't they?
And get a load of the opening statement of the minutes, please. Even here they try to make it appear West Elk is in Howard. Now if they were wanting to show the address, they would show it correctly as
1201 State Highway 99. Howard, KS 67349, don't you reckon?
Here take another look:
MINUTES-of the regular meeting of the West Elk USD #282 Board of Education, held Monday, March 10, 2014 at 6:31 p.m. at the West Elk District Office,
Howard, Kansas.Just as if it is located in Howard, so tell me again how it isn't,
"all about Howard." Even the last bond issue election showed it was all about Howard.
Howard 75% of voters, voted for it.
While 75% of the rest of the District voters, voted against it.
It has Howard written all over it.
If it wasn't "all about Howard" we would still have our Grade Schools open, don't you think?
It goes along with that brilliant idea of doing away with all the city governments and having one centrally located government, doesn't it?
And doesn't Howard consider itself centrally located?
Good night my friends.
An economist says: Just as every action is motivated by an underlying incentive (really who is behind this foolishness), every decision has a related consequence. (We the taxpayers with wallets will pay the consequences.)
These very same people will complain about the conduct and spending of the Federal Government, then they do the same thing on the local level! (To you)The school board has discussed teaching the students
Critical Thinking Skills.
Using
Critical Thinking Skills- Debate issues with friends, family and peers. Argue using evidence, not your opinions or emotions.
Biden accused of making, "erroneous and one-sided remarks," in Bejing.
And so is the school board, right here locally.
Where are their
Critical Thinking Skills?Or is it they have no idea what
Critical Thinking Skills?Math and science problems require
Critical Thinking Skills and creativity.
So the kids are already being taught
Critical Thinking Skills, right? Right!Critical Thinking Skills requires thinking critically -
negative and positive ask the questions.Critical Thinking Skills requires Debating issues with friends, family and peers and
School Board Members .
Argue using evidence, not your opinions or emotions, i.e.,
I guess my kids will have to grow up and graduate without knowing the pleasure of playing in a new gymnasium. Not a good reason to vote
"YES". But exactly the opposite, a very excellent reason to vote
"NO". What happened to that mans
Critical Thinking Skills he want's taught in school? Just a reminder of information and facts you can download to your computer or read o line, about West Elk USD282 and Elk County information.
Check out the facts. Aren't they wasting enough money that should be used for a better education of the children in the class room?
USD 282 Documents https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Documents Pertaining To The Surveyhttps://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jafrey Financialhttps://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
Elk County Governmenthttps://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
Be SMART, be SENSIBLE, be FRUGAL, re-open the Moline Grade School and save millions and ALL problems solved.
Just because Howard doesn't want to bus their kids to Moline, is no reason to keep the Moline Grade School Closed, in my opinion. Be SMART, Be SENSIBLE, Be FRUGAL, Just say," NO "
School Board Members should read this about Common Core and any others that may be interested and/or have children in school. Perhaps then our School Board Members can tell us where they stand on Common Core?
Simply click on my name in the quote jus below.
Quote from: ROSS on May 20, 2014, 09:01:48 PM
Thorner: Chilling truth behind Common Core
May 20, 2014
A school building designed for 600 students
and only 300 Students attending,
does not need expansions.
That is foolishness.
Besides The School Board Members Don't Expect You To Pass It.
They Have Said So At Several School Board Meetings.
Let's Not Disappoint Them.
They Are Already Planning To Run The Bond Issue Again In November.
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Ross, why are you so negative? The school board members are not all from Howard. The Moline and Severy grade schools were both closed. Yes it is sad to see any school closed but it does not mean it is all about Howard.
Quote from: Nancy on May 23, 2014, 07:17:30 AM
Ross, why are you so negative? The school board members are not all from Howard. The Moline and Severy grade schools were both closed. Yes it is sad to see any school closed but it does not mean it is all about Howard.
I don't recollect ever saying that the School Board Members are from Howard. Because I know they are not.
Why am I so negative, fair question?
Because someone has set up a no win situation that has already cost the taxpayers tens of thousands of wasted dollars on architects and $500,000.00 dollars on portable class rooms and now wants to waste $4,000,000.00 on replacing the portable class rooms with brick and mortar, with the main purpose of building a grade school gymnasium.
All that waste and they are including money from the state that has not yet materialized!
They are doing all this while there sets a perfectly good School Building in Moline with a Gymnasium and brick and mortar class rooms. That building should never have been closed. The school board for some reason unknown to us chose to close it even the vote on the last ballot showed that 75% of the voters said no. That is a very loud and positive "NO".
If you have read my post I do believe I have explained clearly how it is all about Howard.
Just take a trip back to http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,16097.new.html#new to find the remarks.
Thank you for asking about my negativity. You see a negative can be a very positive thing. It is all a perception. I find your attitude very negative and I don't mean that in an ugly sense. I simply mean that you won't open your eyes to the fact that an unnecessary debt for the taxpayers is a very bad thing.
You also
appear to have
negative out look that s new bigger building will do something for education! Buildings do not educate, sorry about that!
None of this negative or positive talk accomplishes anything. Talk about what is needed and what is affordable with the least debt would be much more constructive, don't you think.
I will be moving a copy of this back to the other thread.
Thanks for your time communicating you opinion and challenging my negativity.
Quote from: ROSS on May 24, 2014, 07:47:09 AM
...
Because someone has set up a no win situation that has already cost the taxpayers tens of thousands of wasted dollars on architects and $500,000.00 dollars on portable class rooms and now wants to waste $4,000,000.00 on replacing the portable class rooms with brick and mortar, with the main purpose of building a grade school gymnasium....
Lawrdy! Just think what kind of
educational outcomes that kind of money might have produced if used for books, supplies and teacher incentives! Buildings (especially gymnasiums) don't educate youth... teachers, motivated students and great curricula do.
And nobody yet has shown what USD 282 really does with the outlandish per student money the receive & spend every year.... among the highest in the state! A higher than average non-teaching staff level? Nice wages for administrative staff? Sprinklers for the ball fields. One wonders if we are educating our kids for life in the real world or running a training camp for potential future athletes.
And, for the record... if a situation or condition is 'negative', ignoring or suppressing it does not make the real problem go away. Airing it out openly, factually and honestly often does.
You have already said cost is no problem and that we are talking about need!
You said, we are not talking "afford",
so why does it matter, what it cost you per $100 value?
However, I believe there was an attempt at selling this farce by $ value in the newspaper.
But it said, if this or that and no $ amounts truly set in stone.
I no longer have that newspaper, so I can't answer your question.
But, I just wanted to ask if you have changed your mind of "affordability"?
Quote from: Wilma on May 25, 2014, 12:48:20 PM
We are not talking about "afford". We are talking about what is "needed". What do you do when you "need" something? Do you wait until you can "afford" it or do you go ahead and "do it". If I had waited until I could "afford" it, I wouldn't have replaced my blown out air conditioner a couple of years ago and I still wouldn't have it replaced.
But, I must ask, are you now trying to change the subject away from "need"
and change it to "want" based on affordability and the cost per $100 dollar value? Just asking !
It is not the cost per $100 that counts; you might possibly make that cost look even better by asking the cost per $10 value?
It is the waste of taxpayers money for something that is not needed.
As well as
$4,000,000.00 debt and interest payments that is not needed.
The School Board had an architect tell them during a board meeting, that they had luxurious class rooms and they could easily turn two class rooms into three. Do they listen to the experts?
"NO"! Did they listen to the voters at the last Bond Issue?
"NO"! The excuse they gave for shutting the Moline Grade School was
lame at best and a waste of taxpayers' money. And it was all based on a
centrally located campus!
How familiar are we with the term
Centrally Located in Elk County?
Here is a reminder and the reason new threads are started frequently or threads switch back and forth about taxing of Elk County Citizens. They sure wish this thread I am quoting would go away, in my opinion.
Why? Because it is a great or not so great source of information.
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)
Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
And what town that likes to refer to West Elk USD-282 likes to refer to the school as
Howard West Elk?And what town is most
centrally located in Elk County?
What voters approved the last Bond Issue by 75 or 80% ? Howard, right ?
What parts of Elk County voted by 75 or 80% to disapprove the Bond Issue?
All the rest of the West Elk USD-282 School District except for Howard?
Can you please explain to me how this is not all about Howard?
Common Sense Suggest
to simply just
say "NO" to
$4,000,000.00
DEBT!
Just to show you the incomprehensible cornfusion and lack of comprehension and rudeness out of Delaware and why it is a figment of my imagination, please read the following concerning the discussion of Common Core.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 16, 2014, 07:02:00 AM
Lets see..no Gov't schooling= lower classes who stay ignorant, can't find work in today's high tech world, so we the taxpayers, have to pay for them with food stamps,.welfare and all the free stuff.Which is better? Either way the public pays. HA!
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 25, 2014, 07:34:09 AM
Speaking of staying ignorant, your government schooling is a very good example.
It was the Republicans who created the scheme for universal free education after the Civil War. The tyrants, along with mob rule voting, have been in charge of education in the USA since then. They're teaching what they want their citizens and immigrants to learn. After the Civil War, the Southern States were required to create a State Board of Education for the particular Southern State to be re-admitted to the Union. That was the beginning of State Boards and the concept spread into the northern states soon thereafter. Ross has mentioned that the Kansas BOE was founded in 1873 so now you should know that the republicans/socialists got their way in education over the entire USA shortly after the Civil War which the north defeated the America as established by our founding fathers.
The Republicans have been stealing the liberty of Americans since 1861 and as the Democrats have more fully accepted re-construction, neither party defends liberty anymore. Both parties are pro-government and worship the Fed's power just like you Diane.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 26, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
AH yes....room temperature IQ speaks again. Do you collect points for everyone you try to insult? Good grief, you have slammed everyone.Repubs, Demos, Moderates, Independents,educators...Who died and left the office of professional griper to you? HA! ;D ;D ;D.... And you don't even live and vote in ELK COUNTY? WHOOOOO! Why in the world would anyone who is concerned about Elk County politics listen to you? That bond issue won't affect you one way or another! At least I support Elk County projects when I can.
I'm very pro education but not at all costs. I'm also a very frugal person who wants good value for every penny I spend.Fluff and icing in education means nothing to me. Things that will help kids get ready for the adult world they will live in? Yes! That includes art and music, drama and sports too. If just a job is what is wanted, go to an industrial training school.
Quote from: ROSS on May 26, 2014, 12:10:26 PM
Who's IQ is room temperature?
I hope you are looking in a mirror!
It does not take a lot of comprehension to read the title/subject of this thread.
And I quote, "Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control"
That has nothing to do with the present ballot in Elk County!
Common Core is a national affliction?
I do believe Diane that you owe redcliffsw an extreme apology.
How shameful!
But, I doubt he would stoop so low as to accept it.
I'll apologize to Red when climate change drowns Delaware! He accuses me of "worshiping'' government? There is only one person I worship and it ain't Gov't!
Red is disgusting and I get tired of his smarmy comments to me. Ross, by the way, you keep talking about the % of voters that turned down the last referendum...out of how many registered voters? A big % of a very small number of "potential" voters doesn't mean much, except that many people don't care what the results are. I will repeat, what in your background allows you to decide what a Taj Mahal school is? Or how rooms are used? Room needs are much different now from when West Elk was built. There need to be classes for computer training, computers in rooms, even in elementary school and they take up space. Kids often change classes for reading and math.Since the exchange usually is equal, they have to have some place to sit when they do.(I don't know if your kids change or not.) When kids are doing group learning or projects, they need space to work.They don't all sit glued to their desks all day like you probably remember. Some schools do immersion classes in another language, even in elementary.Ya have to have space to do it! Personal and small group tutoring has to go somewhere also.
If you spend and have spent so much time in your son's school, surely you know that. Plus, you are stuck with the state's building regulations. Somewhere there must be some middle ground. I hope cooler heads will find it.
Diane, I see you want to jump from thread to thread, that's nice!
Because no one will miss a post, I will carry this back to the Topic: West Elk district holding mail election for $4 million bond. Okay, okay.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2014, 07:44:31 AM
Ross, by the way, you keep talking about the % of voters that turned down the last referendum...out of how many registered voters? A big % of a very small number of "potential" voters doesn't mean much, except that many people don't care what the results are.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 26, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
AH yes....room temperature IQ speaks again.
It makes no difference how many voters, vote? What maters are what percentage votes for or against the Bond Issue! Sorry to have to inform you of what really matters.
But alas, I feel you are sending an altogether different message!
The School Board and the Superintendent and the Site Committee have all said they would get out to the public? Aren't you indicating they will try to get people registered to vote, that haven't registered? Register more people that may vote "NO"! That is if they can find any that are not registered!
Perhaps now you can comprehend why, I am trying to encourage people to discuss this situation and not necessarily take my word for anything.
Well lets just review what you said to redcliffsw shall we? "you don't even live and vote in ELK COUNTY" and "That bond issue won't affect you one way or another". Diane please stand in front of your mirror and repeat these statements, please! Thank you!
See here is the actual post:
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And you don't even live and vote in ELK COUNTY? WHOOOOO! Why in the world would anyone who is concerned about Elk County politics listen to you? That bond issue won't affect you one way or another! At least I support Elk County projects when I can.
Now realize this, this is not an Elk County project!
And consider this is a voter responsibility!
West Elk USD-282 registered voters!
When did you register, Diane?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2014, 07:44:31 AM
I will repeat, what in your background allows you to decide what a Taj Mahal school is?
Apparently, you do not comprehend the meaning of "figure of speech" as it relates to the use of the words "Taj Mahal"! Basic English, basic "Figure of Speech."
Like your remark to redcliff:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 26, 2014, 10:42:00 AM
AH yes....room temperature IQ speaks again.
Or how rooms are used? Room needs are much different now from when West Elk was built. There need to be classes for computer training, computers in rooms, even in elementary school and they take up space. Kids often change classes for reading and math.Since the exchange usually is equal, they have to have some place to sit when they do.(I don't know if your kids change or not.) When kids are doing group learning or projects, they need space to work.They don't all sit glued to their desks all day like you probably remember. Some schools do immersion classes in another language, even in elementary.Ya have to have space to do it! Personal and small group tutoring has to go somewhere also.
If you spend and have spent so much time in your son's school, surely you know that. Plus, you are stuck with the state's building regulations. Some where there must be some middle ground. I hope cooler heads will find it.
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The Board Hired a retired Professor out of Missouri to help them organize themselves and to do a community studies, the follow through --- nothing! What would have a
much wiser use of that money would have been a
much more productive use of taxpayer money would have been an
Efficiency Expert, in my opinion. After all wouldn't you want an
efficiently ran school for your child and your property tax.
Of course Diane classrooms and children take up room, that's a no brainer. But when you have a building designed to handle 600 students and only have 300 enrolled you don't need more room. The School Superintendent has said 600 several times at open School Board Meetings, contrary to the rumor going around that it was designed for 340 students. (LOL)
Anyway Diane here is a list just for you!
• I live here!
• I vote here!
• I have attended West Elk School District Board Meetings and have observed the attitudes around the table. Not to good! There are no real conversations, President unless you consider the whining of the Board President saying his children won't have a new gymnasium to play in.
• This School Board has no idea, in my opinion, what their actual job is!
• This School Board told the state that they saved $150,000.00 shutting down two grade schools! (which points out that the board cannot be trusted to answer to the voters and cannot be trusted to do what the voters want!)
• This School Board then spent $500,000.00 to replace the classrooms that were
disposed of , with eight classrooms in four portable buildings.
• The West Elk School has been operating just fine for the last 5 years and there has been
no population explosion in the District.
• The School Board has consistently ignored suggestions from experts in construction, and maintenance and surveys they commissioned and paid for with taxpayer dollars.
• If they get the money for the Bond Issue passed, they have said, they plan to dispose of the eyesores, the eight classroom in 4 portable buildings thus reducing the classroom capacity back to the amount that they presently have. That's $500,000.00 wasted!
• What they really need is an efficiency expert to perform an unbiased study and I am certain the School would be just fine.
• The only addition will be a second gymnasium which is not necessary for educating the children, but for fulfilling
someone's ego, nothing more!
• One of the architects that studied the building and drew up floor plans (an expert) said at a School Board meeting, the school had luxurious classrooms and that 2 class rooms could be made into 3 classrooms!
• The School Board has even discussed moveable walls for dividing classrooms!
• This School Board shut down, two grade schools after the voters and taxpayer said "NO"! And they planned the election now, knowing it will fail, with the idea to return in November.
• A new gymnasium is not a need for classroom education!
Thank You Diane, in the Words of your
Konnection, for engaging me. (LOL)
Oh by the way Diane in all your infinite wisdom you have failed to tell us how many School Board Members are associated with
Elk Konnected. Or is it you just don't know?
Please explain how holding a vote now, which you say you know for sure will fail, makes any sense if it has to come up again in November? Why not just wait until November? Or are you suggesting the board is throwing money to the ballot printer, and the postal service? HMMM. Away,ya bore me.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 07:56:18 AM
Please explain how holding a vote now, which you say you know for sure will fail, makes any sense if it has to come up again in November?
You don't attend West Elk School Board Meetings do you?
You also do not read very well either do you or is it you just like twisting words?
I never said, I am sure it will fail. Those are your words!
The School Board feels it will fail, they expressed that at is at several meetings. Of course stuff like that does not make the Minutes, just like the President of the Board whining that his kids would grow up and graduate without the privilege of playing in a brand new gymnasium.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 07:56:18 AM
Why not just wait until November?
I thought you were the political expert?
It is the School Board's plan not mine, they said it not me!
My assumption ---- would be to wear the voters down.
Quote from: Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg219797#msg219797
Or are you suggesting the board is throwing money to the ballot printer, and the postal service? HMMM.
I have suggested nothing of the kind.
But you just did, Diane.
Aren't you ashamed of yourself?
Quote from: Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg219797#msg219797
Away,ya bore me.
Don't you mean all your college degrees can not keep of with this unedumacted redneck, due to a comprehension problem you tend to show frequently?
My sincerest apologies!
It is always a pleasure to communicate with you.
Better check your spelling again. So you are saying the referendum might succeed? If so, why the personal Ross campaign? Don't ya think most people have made up their minds by now? On a personal note ...Why is it just you? Why are you not part of a committee? A number of the things you have written about over and over are never confirmed or commented on by anyone else?
You who also jumps topics when it suits you ? As far as my comments to Red, that's for me to deal with. He blindly worships a couple of radical paid bloggers who depend on people like him who believe anything they say. His attitudes scare me
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
Better check your spelling again. So you are saying the referendum might succeed?
Nope, never said one way or the other!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
If so, why the personal Ross campaign?
Because, I can!
We have the highest property taxes in Kansas and are known as the poorest county in Kansas, or so I have been told.
Because, I think it is ludicrous to be taxed for something that is not needed!
I do believe, I have stated that enough times, I hope you comprehend this time!
A school designed to handle 600 students with only 300 students does not need to be enlarged.
Simple mathematics, common sense!
Do you comprehend?
The School Board has even discussed raising our property taxes 4 mil every year even if the Bond Issue might pass.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
Don't ya think most people have made up their minds by now? On a personal note ...Why is it just you? Why are you not part of a committee?
I don't assume what most people think, sorry!
Why do I need to hide behind a committee or an NGO.
I know you believe in the strength of organizations, however I find most of the followers weak minded and unable to stand on their own two feet. And that is exactly, what the organizers or leaders of the organization count on, weakness!
Hitler used those principles to gain power, don't you, see?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
A number of the things you have written about over and over are never confirmed or commented on by anyone else?
Why does it bother you? None of it concerns Delaware!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
You who also jumps topics when it suits you ?
Blah, blah, blah! Say just what ever you want, it cost nothing, thanks to the owners for providing this media.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2014, 12:27:18 PM
As far as my comments to Red, that's for me to deal with. He blindly worships a couple of radical paid bloggers who depend on people like him who believe anything they say. His attitudes scare me
His attitude scares you way up there in Delaware? My oh my!
Paranoia runs wild in Delaware!
I think you are terribly wrong in your judgment, we all have different views of this world, but does his beliefs mean you need to be ugly about or towards him?
You see, the same could be said, about your
Konection with
Elk Konnected, couldn't it?
I hope you can get a good night sleep with all that paranoia!
Try not to worry your little head about the West Elk School District Bond Issue, you benefit from it if it passes and you won't have to pay the property taxes either, right? Right!
Good night Diane.
In the August 5th primary we have two people, two republicans, running for Elk County Commissioner, District #1.
We have the incumbent Doug Ritz of rural Elk County, who resides in N.E. Elk County.
He just happens to live in the Fredonia Post Office Zip Code that extends into Elk County.
He is an Elk County resident, period.
And I am not aware of Mr. Ritz belonging to any Non-Governmental Organizations (NGO's) such as Elk Konnected, or of his wanting to be involved with NGO's.
Mr. Ritz was instrumental in preventing Elk County from getting involved with yet another NGO, that claimed to know all about the Flint Hills and our way of life in Elk County. The man came to a County Board Meeting to enlighten us and he was from a metropolitan area of Kentucky or Tennessee. He did say his NGO has no power in this region, without having the various local governments and politicians involved in their cause. I find a big plus that Mr. Ritz stood his ground and had the support of another board member on the subject of NGO's.
Mr. Ritz was also instrumental in gaining us some property tax relief, another big plus.
Mr. Ritz also lives 17 miles as the crow flies (approx.) from Howard, Kansas. That is a very good point in his favor being out there so far, as in really rural. LOL!
His opponent Shari Kaminska on the other hand, I know nothing about except she lives in Howard.
I wonder does anyone know what her Konnection might be with Elk Konnected?
I believe that to be a legitimate question of great importance, don't you?
I think it should be openly discussed because it is politics. Does anyone have any information to share?
At any rate I sure hope the people of District #1 support and re-elect Mr. Ritz so we don't return to an Elk County Board that could end up like the previous Board that was controlled by two Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners out of the three board members.
Well, I received my monthly Kansas Country Living rag from my rural power company and guess what there was no articles by Elk Konnected or Public Squares Communities. Are the slipping up or what?
If people vote for Kaminska just think of the kind of trouble that will be facing the taxpayers of Elk County. Because a vote for Kaminska is most likely a vote for Elk Konnected.
Remember Elk Konnected running the county commissioners board with two members on the commission?
Remember that --- not good in my opinion. I'd like to refer you to the circle of chairs at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html and all the foolishness that went on. Do we need more of that?
I refer you back to page one of this thread.
And the posts through out this thread about the
Elk Konnected County Commissioners always voting to give recreation monies to their "NGO" .
I wasn't there for it, but I'd bet, they voted to pay dues from County funds for membership to
Elk Konnected and you can bet there will be a lot more of that if another
Elk Konnected member get's elected to the Elk County Commissioners Board.
Keep Mr. Ritz in office for the betterment of Elk County
&
To Keep your modest Property Tax Break.
OR
Lose It And Face Even Higher Property Taxes.
No, I do not live in his District.
But Just Look At What He Has Done For Your Property Taxes
&
Elk County As A Whole.
&
Then look at what Elk Konnected has done
to Elk County in the past.
Was it Good?
Join me and lets discuss this!
Anyone care to have a discussion this subject?
Anyone care to agree or disagree?
I along with numerous other folks showed up last night for the school board meeting.
Only to find the doors locked and the meeting canceled because th power was out in Howard.
The lights were back on by 3:30 pm.
I attended the County Commissioners Meeting yesterday while the lights were out for most of the meeting. I guess the Commissioners can deal with a little power outage. Good job gentlemen. The school board meeting, I have been informed has been rescheduled for Wednesday the 18th at 6:30 pm.
We will just have to wait till then to see what the church business with the school board is about.
Did you notice the meeting is rescheduled for the day after the School Bond Issue Ballot Count is due.
That may be an I interesting meeting!
Will they be crying in their bottled water and start planning the ballot for November?
OR
Will they be gloating and patting themselves on the back while planning the next 4 mil tax hike?
Oh, you did not know? The bond issue will not cover everything they need for their unnecessary construction.
I thought I had posted all their continuous talk of tax increase.
Oh well June 18th is the day I was told.
Keep Doug Ritz in the County Commissioners seat for the benefit and welfare of all Elk County Citizens and property taxpayers.
You know, I was just thinking about that new gymnasium the School Board President was upset about. You know, the fact that his children may have to grow up and graduate high school and not have the pleasure of having an new gymnasium to play in. My guess is the rest of them liberal elites around here probably feel the same way, just my opinion.
Well, the story I just read I feel is a very educational story and explains a few things.
Here it is, perhaps from a child's view point of liberalism, the message might come through. LOL
$50 Lesson
I asked my friends little girl what she wanted to be when she grew up, She said she wanted to be President of the United States. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there. So I asked her, "If you were Preident, what woud be the first thing you would do?" She replied, "I'd give houses and food to all the homeless people." Her parents beamed!
"Wow... what a wonderful goal." I told her. "But you don't have to wait till you are President to do that. You can come over to my house and mow the lawn and pull the weeds and sweep my driveway, and I will pay you $50. Then I will take you over to the grocery store where a homeless guy hangs out and you can give him the $50 dollars to use towards food and a new house."
She thought that over for a few seconds, and then looked me straight in the eye and asked, " Why doesn't the homeless guy come over and do the work and you can just pay him the $50 to use towards food and a new house?" I said, "Welcome to the real world!"
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXIf the School Bond fails as you have stated, that you think it will.
Give it up!
Don't come back bullying the voters and taxpayers in November.
Yea, you know what bullying is, don't you? You really want to dispose of $500,000 worth of portable class rooms, eight classrooms, that are barely used and replace them with eight brick and mortar, providing no gain in classrooms, just so you can have a gymnasium.
Instead, if you elite really just want a gymnasium, well I'd suggest you use your $3,000,000.00 a year windfall from your wind farm and build your own gymnasium for the elite. Problem solved.
Please re-read the $50 Lesson above.
It is simply my opinion.
REALLY !
My Editorial !
LOL!
From todays news and paper I wish to quote the Editor from his Editorial, yeah in today's newspaper:
Finally, We're Tax Free!
His last statement in the Editorial was:
"It's that way in a state where
we believe our own fibs."
Well sir, you can speak for yourself in those childish terms for lying.
But you sure can't talk for this Native Kansan, or probably most other Native Kansans.
We or at least I don't believe the lies, thank you.I sense that you are upset about that
"Live tax free in Kansas" and "let Kansas pay your student loans" or the "Rural Opertunity Zones"! Why is that?
Oh maybe it's that nasty word
"outsiders" isn't it?
You know I have been called an outsider here in Elk County, even though I am a Native Kansan.
I'm have been referred to as an
outsider even though, I own a small 60 acre retirement farm here in Elk County and I
pay my property taxes and
vote in this county. I'm still an
outsider. I have had some other
outsiders joke with me and say, that's because yu are not one of the inbreeds. Not really funny, really hurtful to the good people of Elk County
In my opinion. But, what do you think you can expect when you label people?
The reason, I'm responding to your Editorial on this forum, is because I know you read this and because I feel certain you would not publish my rebuttal/opinion. After all that is all an Editorial is, is an opinion isn't it?
Well to the point,
if you are really upset about freebies for outsiders to Kansas, I feel compelled to ask you a couple of questions. Now mind you,
if you are not upset about those freebies to outsiders my questions are not to be taken seriously and
should be just ignored! Thank you!1. First you e-mailed me, when I wanted to have a letter printed to the editor, and you informed me you were affiliated with
Elk Konnected, my letter did not get published, right?
2. Isn't
Elk Konnected an Elk County Orgnization? And you are an outsider, I mean I live in Elk County and you don't --- doesn't that make you more of an outsider to Elk County than me?
3. You support
Elk Konnected and you supported the
Elk Konected Kounty Kommissioners when they were in office didn't you?
4. You were also supportive of the
Elk Konected Kounty Kommissioners Neighborhood Revitalization Program which would have provided 5 years of free property taxes to
outsiders weren't you?
Now, I'm just curious and in your childish term, where are the fibs coming from?
What is the truth?
You run your business out of
Sedan in Chautauqua County Kansas, you have your paper printed in Independence in
Montgomery County, Kansas and the only business you do in
Elk County is sell you paper for a profit and the majority of the money leaves
Elk County. Doesn't that just make you an
outsider of
Elk County that siphon's money out of
Elk County? You see, I'm considered as an
outsider and I happen to live here in
Elk County and I brought with me a couple of nice retirement checks and I
pay sales taxes and
property taxes and I make purchases here in Elk County adding to the Elk County economy. You as an
outsider living, I suppose in
Sedan, Chautauqua County, Kansas do not contribute financially to
Elk County or very seldom for a cup of coffee and a piece of pie, I don't rightly know. Perhaps you can tell us how you add to the Elk County Economy?
So, with all your
outsider support of Elk Konected and their
Elk Konected Kounty Kommissioners previous plans of
Neighborhood Revitalization with free property tax for
outsiders why don't you like the Governors plans for
outsiders?Now, if I am misunderstanding your
Editorial / Opinion I extend my sincerest apologies.
Thank you for indulging me!
Yes, I buy your newspaper; I support your business along with my financial support to Elk County.
And, I am proud to live in Elk County.
Just asking. Oh could you be good enough to tell us if the Ms. Kaminska that is running for Elk County Commissioner is
Elk Konnected? Does anyone else know, if Rudy won't share with us?
If she is, then we would have another
Elk Konected Kounty Kommissioner controlled County Commissioner Board wouldn't we?
Just to be safe wouldn't it be a good idea to keep Mr. Ritz in office.
Without him we would most likely lose the property tax break afforded us by the wind farm monies.
Remember all those weird ideas from
Elk Konnected on page one of this thread?
That is where our tax break would most likely go and then there would most likely be more taxation for completing some of those weird ideas. Hey, it's something to think about and consider, isn't it?
Take my opinions with a grain of salt and talk with others and develop your own opinions.
Thank you and good night.
Interesting. I didn't know that.
Is it any wonder that he's for government support of economic development in Elk County.
Government profiteers, they're everywhere - and the media gets a lot of money from the government and candidates for office.
Just a reminder tomorrow is the counting of the School Bond Issue Ballot Counting.
It happens at the Elk County Court House at 2:pm.
The newspaper listed certain people that would be there to observe the counting,
it also stated anyone that wants to can show up for the counting.
I have never had or taken the opportunity to observe a ballot counting
however, the lord willing I plan to observe this one.
Perhaps some of you other folks might make it, if so I hope to meet you there.
It might just be pretty interestig.
I'm siding with the School Board that the Bond Issue fails.
The Vote Is In
The West Elk USD 282 Bond Issue
FAILED
Just As The School Board Expected
Of course this is not an official notice, I was there for the whole process.
The ladies did an excellent job.
Thank you ladies.
The vote as counted were:
1 Blank
300 Yes
561 NO
Now will the School Board really bully the voters with another vote in November as planned?
I guess we will just have to wait and see if they do have a bully attitude, won't we?
My hearty thanks to everyone that voted, yes even the yes votes.
I am anxious to see how the vote breaks down by area, region or town.
If they do that with mail in votes.
Good evening everyone.
Correction
Correction
I just recieved notice of a correction in the ballot count.The NO vote listed as 561 has been corrected to 556.Sitll a Fail for the School Board as they predicted !
So why are they wasting Educational dollars ?So they can use bullying tactics and come back at us in November, that's why!
That is their plan as discussed at School Board Meetings. No it did not make the minutes.
I was not aware they would be posting the School Bond Issue count tonight.
The results have been posted on the Elk County Courthous web site at
http://elkcountyks.org/clerk.asp
I heard some talk today, a rumor if you will.
I'm wondering if anyone can confirm if it is true!
I was told that the Fredonia Chamber of Commerce had enough of our Elk Konnected's Public Square Communities involvement in their communities business and voted two days ago to discontinue paying their fees. Does anyone know if this is true?
That is a major pillar of the so called Public Square of a community isn't it?
I heard it had something to do with the new swimming pool and how people are unhappy about it and unhappy with Cultivate-Fredonia of http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/cultivate-fredonia/ .
Ayway, I checked out Fredonia's local forum and found it interesting about the new swimming pool.
Check it out for your self at http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fredonia-ks/T3PTRR0F9LR9N6P5A
Sounds like some taxpayers may be unhappy about the cost. Sounds a little bit familiar doesn't it.
So does anyone really know what is happening?
And Elk Konnected who is paying your fees to Public Squares Communities so you can continue as Accredited?
Which four pillars of your community are paying those fees?
Just curious about what's happening?
Some real answers would be appreciated. Thank you.
I really don't expect an answer from so called leaders, even though real leaders, in my opinion would answer and clear the air. Perhaps someone else has some information.
why are they still pushing for new school when two schools are sitting empty and the school population is declining. Hasn't it declined by about 40 students now?
From what I have been told, they are worried about upkeep on the existing structures...Also, about getting rid of the portable buildings, as they will eventually wear out. Unfortunately, even with just doing the minimum on upkeep, it all takes money. Yes, the numbers have gone down, which means a decrease in monies coming in. Elk County is in an unenviable position with all these concerns.
Quote from: srkruzich on June 18, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
why are they still pushing for new school when two schools are sitting empty and the school population is declining. Hasn't it declined by about 40 students now?
Hi Srkruzich we haven't heard from you in a long time. How ya doing?
The school business was mainly about building a new gymnasium.
They hollered about not having enough room when they have a building that was built and designed for 600 students in hoping to get that new gymnasium. They threw in the eight class rooms in order to try buffalo us into voting on a 4 million dollar bond issue. It did not work? The school board felt certain it would fail and had already planned to put it on the November ballot again. This in my opinion is simply a way of bullying the taxpayers into approving it. Also in my opinion they have wasted enough of the taxpayers money that is intended for the education of children.
To build eight classrooms simply to dispose of the eight portable class room that cost the taxpayers 500,000.00 dollars simply shows lack intelligence.
As the Catwoman in all her infinite intelligence says the portable buildings will wear out, wow, everything wears out eventually. But we have only had them for 5 years. Those buildings with proper maintenance management should last a good 20 years.
The need for seperate gymnasium which was discussed during a board meeting, was renting the church next door to the school at 1,000.00 dollars a month. One board member said,
"Let's ask the experts,
the experts. The teachers are the experts.
"
So up pops a gym teacher and possibly coach and said that if they had to walk the kids over to the church for gym class that the time to do so would cut into the state required time for phys-ed and that it wasn't feasible. He also stated if they happened to get a handicapped child that would further cut into the phys-ed time. And he made reference to weather condition and having to walk through mud puddles and such. Oh and the gym teacher said things are just fine in the gymnasium and all they need to do is put up the safety net across the center of the gym to protect the little kids from balls from the big kids side hitting the little kids. They have been operating just fine for 5 years with the exception of protecting the small children with that safety net. This again in my opinion was done to provide an excuse to construct a second gymnasium.
The President of the School Board during a meeting spoke over the top of another board member who had the floor and was talking to a member clear down the table and said, I guess my children will just have to grow up and graduate with out having the opportunity of having the pleasure of playing in a new gymnasium.
I call that very rude and self serving.
If he wants to build a new gymnasium for his kids, I would suggest he build it in his back yard. Not at the expense of the taxpayer. If he can't afford to give his kids what he wants to give them, oh well.
No voting was done, but I was under the impression that the church deal was off, because they said so.
The last School Board was postponed on Monday with the excuse that the electrical system through out most of Elk County was off until 3:30 PM. The meeting was scheduled for 6:30 p.m. personally; I think the meeting was postponed to wait until after yesterday's ballot count. Because the Church is back on the agenda and I suppose for the purpose of having the school board give in and pay 1000.00 dollars a month to
rent for something they do not need. They asked expert. Tonight I will be present at the meeting to hear how the conversation goes with the church. Will the School Board deny their expert teacher and disrespect him by doing so? Tonight's meeting will tell, won't it? Will the School Board with their collective college diplomas and intellect waffle? That remains to be answered.
Also Srkruzich in my opinion none of it is about class rooms or security as they claim because they do not use their allotted space efficiently and it is all about sports.
Srkruzich did you read any of the previous posts about the 7000.00 dollar fiasco concerning crowning the football field, so it would be more professional. No contract was involved. What a mess! The School Board failed on that job. They asked for dirt, they got dirt. The dirt was loaded with clay and big rocks and big chunks of roots. LOL All the dirt had to be picked up and trucked off, it had to be removed. They did not stipulate top soil and that would probably have probably been twice as expensive. And no written contract. Where did the learn about doing business?
The School Board President has been asked twice to put to use all that expensive computer technology and record the School Board Meetings and post the recordings on the West Elk web site. He personally said they could do that. But they won't, because they would have to clean up their act ! They would have to perform their job in a professional manner. And to the taxpayer might just know what is really going on during the meetings. And believe me I don't think they want the taxpayer to know. You see what I tell you is never in the Meeting Minutes and they don't expect you to believe me. And that is fine with me. The School Board does not want transparency or they would video video the meetings. They do not want community involvement or they would video the meetings.
Of course nothing I post here is nothing more than what I hear and my personal opinions. And I do not ask you to accept these opinions as your own. Also I do not ask you to believe a word I post. Check it out for yourself, come to the meeting tonight. I plan to get pictures of the new table layout tonight. Yes, I feel, I shamed them into changing their lay out. I did it right here on this forum. I just wonder if I shamed them out of the rude and undignified act of eating their picnic in front of the audience. If not, I may get some undignified pictures of them shoveling the food in. Really that may be good for a laugh on here!
Srkruzich this is not about how to make friends and influence people, it's about getting the job done properly.
Srkruzich it's good to see you back, have a great day.
Tonight was the West Elk USD-282
School Board of Education Meeting
It starts out with the School Board President saying the meeting was postponed until tonight due to the power outage, which caused the inability to print the necessary financial documents for the meeting.
You know waiting to the last minute to get the job done is seldom a good idea. And really those bills, payroll and treasurers reports should be prepared well in advance of the meeting and mailed to the board members, so they can look them over and study them before the meeting. These people don't have the time for the volume of information during the meeting to fully understand the information. Sure, I've watched them thumb through the information; it appears they are doing that only for show. Except the only board member that ever questions the information which is School Board Member Bellar, he seems truly concerned.
Next item was the AOG (Assembly of God Church) Lease Agreement, which ended up being tabled or postponed until another meeting.
Then the Facility Planning/Bond Issue.
Folks I'll try to get to that tomorrow, it's late and I'm very tired.
But I will tell you this, I don't like to get angry,
but tonight I did get angry,
and I did not like it one bit.
If you have ever seen one of those little cartoon characters that have their eyes pop out and they blow steam out of their ears. That's what I felt like, no kidding. I had to get up and walk out of the School Board very early. And so did another man. The attitude was simply atrocious.
Folks you really need to vote every one of them board members out of office except the only man that cares about you and your taxes. You really should encourage Mr. Bellar to run again. I have heard a rumor that Mr. Bellar may not run again in April 2015. So you have time to call him and encourage him to run. He needs your support just like you need his support. You really do!
It's time to get a school board that respects the desires of the voters. Put some blue collar working men, some rednecks in there to get the job done by people that know respect.
I will try to continue this tomorrow.
Goodnight folks.
Tonight was the West Elk USD-282
School Board of Education Meeting
6/18/2014
The President of the Board Hilton said the School Bond Issue failed and very visibly shows he is terribly upset by that fact. (His children may just have to grow up and graduate without having the privilege of the experience of playing in a brand new gymnasium meeting as he rudely stated at a previous school board. Awww- his poor babies.)
School Board Member Bellar spoke up and calmly stated that the vote came in, right along the very same lines of the survey, they had mailed out.
(Yeah really, all that expense for no reason what so ever, it's just taxpayer dollars, just spend it foolishly and ignore the results, Oh, wait a minute that's educational dollars wasted, Isn't it? Kids don't need no stinking educational dollars, do they? Oh wait a minute, they want to come back and
BULLY us in November, remember! Yes, the third time is
BULLYING.)
School Board Member Bellar went on to say, he had talked to a lot of people, who said they would have voted for the class rooms and the reason they voted against it was because of the gymnasium. President of the Board Hilton got noticeably more agitated. His face showed considerable anger at the point of no new gymnasium.
President of the Board Hilton at this point said they need to get busy on the November Bond Issue.
School Board Member Bellar exclaimed, WHAT ? And continued on to say he thought the board should wait
at least 6 months. Perhaps wait until elections in April. He said, if you go for it this soon you will piss people off.
President of the Board Hilton at this point with a lot of anger and such an angry look on his face said,
"I don't care how pissed off people get." Yes, that is quotes that is exactly what I heard.
"I don't care how pissed off people get."Just who the hell does he thinks he is Donald Trump, President Obama?
Well, I have news for him this is not Washington, D.C. and he is an elected official in a position of servitude to the people of the West Elk USD-282 School District.
His behavior through out this whole thing has been that of a little spoiled kid that has inherited a million dollars and with it some super power to have his demands met. Well guess what, if he is in fact that spoiled little rich kid demanding that the taxpayers pay to build a brand new gymnasium for his children, he should accept the rude wakening he has just received, like a man. Not as a spoiled child.
Then there was the attitude about raising our taxes. It was like to hell with the taxpayers!
But I'm getting ahead of myself.
The Roof !
Two years ago the school had a study performed by a university and were praised that they had a million unencumbered dollars to get the roof repaired and suggested that they should make repairs a section at a time so they would not have to spend their money all at one time. At that time it was said the roof could be repaired for those one million dollars. Apparently, not now, folks. It's apparently gonna cost considerably more. Now, I'm not exactly sure what the superintendent said exactly due to his spoken voice. I thought I heard $300,000 for one section and $600,000.00 for another section and I didn't hear how many sections there are.
Two years ago it was just important to repair the roof! Well last night the School Superintendent informed the School Board we now have an
URGENT need to repair the roof.
The President of the Board Hilton stated we need to
raise the LOB where upon School Board Member Bellar exclaimed
WHAT! I believe School Board Member Bellar is sincerely concerned with all the tax increases by the School Board. Just think about it, the County Commissioners have been providing tax cuts by using some of the wind farm money for us. But do you really notice any cut? I don't, because it is being eaten up by the School Board taxation. I wonder, what has happened to that unencumbered one million dollars?
The President of the Board Hilton was fishing for a motion and School Board Member Bellar politely stated that he made a motion last fall to start the repair on the roof and that he could not receive a second, so he would not do it now! Doing the work last fall he said would have saved the taxpayers a lot of money.
This time School Board Member Black made the very same motion Board Member Bellar made, only this time it received a second. Why? Simply because they have an
URGENT situation, now! The motion passed. They have forced themselves to operate in
crisis mode, I wonder how long problems will be ignored until
crisis mode is demanded?
It's more important to build eight class rooms and throw out a half a millon dollars worth of barely used portable class rooms and build a new gymnasium, that really makes sense doesn't it folks?
A point was made during the meeting that the kids will probably have to sit in class rooms breathing the fumes of the roofing material for several weeks. If they would have given School Board Member Bellar's motion a second last fall and voted to get busy on roof, the work could have been done this summer while the kids are out of school along with considerable savings. Oh, well! It's just the kids that have to suffer the fumes and the teachers, and it's just
Other
peoples
money.
Folks in case you don't know the LOB stands for Limited Option Budget and means your property tax will increase by 4 mil for the West Elk-282 School District. I'm no accountant and don't deal with taxation and accounting on a daily basis, so I did a little googling. From what I learned 1 mil is $1 per $1000.00 of property value. Therefore 4 mil is $4 per $1000.00 of property value. If I am wrong somebody please correct me.
I think we should prepare ourselves for a 4 mil West Elk USD-282 property tax increase every year for the next several years. Thanks to piss poor planning and spending by today's present School Board. What was it 30-40 thousand dollars and possibly more wasted on architects?
How many thousands on professional looking sports facilities? And we can't afford to repair the roof to protect the children from the elements without raising property taxes?
The President of the Board Hilton, tried to blame the roof problem on the School Bond Issue failing. Now how lame is that? See how badly he wants you to build a new gymnasium for his children? He was corrected by Board Member Bellar. Thank you
April 2015 can't get here soon enough for me.
Five seats on the West Elk USD-282 School Board will be up for vote. Time to clean house isn't it?
Again I would suggest keeping the
level headed School Board Member Bellar, that is if you can convince him to run again.
I did attempt to record part of this School Board meeting with my cell phone, but it did not turn out, well enough to post, far to much back ground noise and the only person speaking up man like was School Board Member Bellar.
I had hoped so hard for that recording to back up what I am posting here today. I'm sorry, I can't provide the recording
So
please take this post strictly as my personal opinion, my personal editorial. In other words take it with a grain of salt or don't take it at all. Your choice of course.
In my opinion,
IT IS A SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.Thank you for indulging me.
I expected some rebutal! I was hoping for some rebutal!
Or at least some one to add to what I have posted.
Some chatter about what is happening in and to Elk County.
I guess I didn't say that the school Board for the last number of years in their infinite wisdom backed by college degrees has placed West Elk USD-282 in such a
financial quandary that they will have no choice but to raise our property taxes for the next several years.
But you know what, we should be grateful we voted against the School Bond Issue because the Bond would not have covered the full cost of what they wanted to do and there would have been more tax hikes to complete the job.
And it was about nothing more than about building a
new gymnasium. The rest was thrown in as a smoke screen.
We would have gained nothing by building eight class rooms and throwing away a half million dollars worth of eight class rooms --- except more debt and more property tax. And the School Board President doesn't care if he pisses off the voters and taxpayers and wants to continue the charade and come after you / us again. How very intelligent of him!
Let's show him how
grateful we are for his attitude in April 2014. Let's vote him out of office, if he gives us a chance. By that, I mean if he has the audacity to run again.
But you know the School Board has accomplished something
Elk Konnected could not accomplish.
Remember Elk Konnected's big plans on page one of this thread? Here is a reminder, okay.
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Well, the West Elk School Board of Education accomplished exactly that by shutting down the Severy Grade School and the Moline Grade School accomplishing one Unified West Elk USD-282 Campus Centrally Located School near Howard and at great expense to the taxpayers and the communities. But none of that manners does it? I believe we can be thankful for the
Konnected School Board Members for all the chaos by following the above (Big Idea) for our school district. I do believe that follows along with the big plan of Economic Development for Howard. You know build a
"Taj Mahal" and they will come.
Oh, doesn't it hurt? Follows that plan to, of the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners during thier time in control of the County Board, yes the Neighborhood Revitalization Program of free property taxes for five years for new comers and those that have plenty of money to build a new barn.
All those great plans were to benefit who? It sure wasn't me or you or Moline or Severy or Elk Falls was it? Just cut everyone out except for a few.
Hey, it's something to think about, isn't it?
Isn't it time to come back to our senses?
Vote out all of the
progressive liberals that could care less about you and how much they tax you!
Do it. Get-R-Done.
Give that some thought.
The August primaries are coming quickly. Keep Mr. Ritz in office and Keep
Konnected folks out.
And let's use some of that Critical thinking that the School Board President use to push at School Board Meetings that he wanted to teach our students. After all, it doesn't appear that he is using it, does it.
Just my thoughts and opinions.
With all the talk about the West Elk Bond Issue and taxation, I decided to make a trip to the Elk County Court House to see what I could learn? And I was kindly provided with a great deal of Property Tax Information that covers the County Property Tax, the various Community Property Taxes and the various Township Property Taxes.
There is also information includes School Districts, Cemeteries, Fire District, Water Sheds and other items in Elk County.
This is a thee page document uploaded in PDF form to https://app.box.com/s/qij0j4lod8zwk11fkubj .
You may either just view the document on line or you may download it to your computer for reading or printing.
Elk County and Communities Property Taxes Information
https://app.box.com/s/qij0j4lod8zwk11fkubj
My main page at Box.com
showing all files and folders are readily available to you
concerning USD And County information is:
https://app.box.com/files/0/f/0
"We don't need charts when we go out," said former senator Alan Simpson, R-Wyo. "We just say if you spend more than you earn you lose your butt. And if you spend a buck and borrow 42 cents of it, you've got to be stupid." What if you borrow all of it and ridiculously increase property taxes?
Huh, what then?
PiperJafray USD-282
$4M Scenerio,
Property Tax Analysis.
There has been an abundance of interest in the Elk County Property Tax that I posted so,
I figured there might be an interest in the PiperJafray USD-282 $4M Scenerio Property Tax Analysis.
They don't tell us there is no guarantee of the state aid, the chances of getting it might have been good but no guarantee. Some people may not have seen this analysis that is why I am posting.
I have been told by others that the analysis is flawed. You will have to decide for your self.
This is a two page document uploaded in PDF form to
https://app.box.com/s/odurbgy93a4b1ijmmpwm .
You may either just view the document on line or you may download it to your computer for reading or printing.
My main page at Box.com
showing all files and folders are readily available to you
concerning USD And County information is:
https://app.box.com/files/0/f/0
Enjoy !
If there is anything you can think of anything you would like to see posted, let me know and I will try to get it.
Elk Konnected I'm still waiting for your definition of Quality of Life?Perhaps a clue of what it means to some people will help!(http://s3.amazonaws.com/citybuzz/2014/06/alaska-stereotypes/10-alaska-stereotypes-10.jpg)
A bit perplexiing isn't it?
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And sucking up for it doesn't work either !
The Elk County Primary Election will be held
August 5, 2014 from 7am to 7 pm.
I am sure hoping people get out and vote for Mr. Ritz in District 1 !
Why, because I don't want to see us
loose our County Property Tax Break, which thanks to
Mr. Ritz we have been recieving for the last couple of years through the Wind Farm Money.
I know, it doesn't feel like it to people that live with-in, the West Elk School District because of the increases in property taxes for the School District.
I do believe we have the
Konnected School Board Members to thank for that. Just my opinion folks !
If
Mr. Ritz is voted out of office, I believe we will have two out of three
County Commissioners as
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners and I do believe we know that can't be a good idea .
Remember page one of this thread ---
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
What does
Centrally Located mean to you or better yet what does
Centrally Located mean to
Elk Konnected.And that last remark right up there shows they advocate raising taxes to serve their own desires. A vote for anyone other than for
Mr. Ritz could be a very well, be very risky choice.
Something to think about, isn't it?I hope you folks that live in
Mr. Ritz district realize that
Mr. Ritz was and is a major factor in the property tax breaks they have been receiving. And I hope you realize if you don't vote on August 5th to keep
Mr. Ritz in office, that we all may very well loose that property tax break. And it is especially needed, at this time, especially if you live in the West Elk School District. Because, I have seen every indication by attending the School Board Meetings that the School Board will most likely have to raise our property taxes for the new roof and all the new air conditioners. That probably, means 4 mil every year for at least two years and possibly for four years or more. Something to think about and to be prepared for !
One
Konnected School Board Member asked if they could raise property tax 5 mil?
Yeah, 5 mil ? He was told no, not with out an election! He apeared disturbed by that news.
Loose Ritz and I wager we loose our County Property Tax Break! And we may face further property tax hikes! Loose Ritz and I wager we loose our County Property Tax Break And we may face further property tax hikes! Loose Ritz and I wager we loose our County Property Tax Break! And we may face further property tax hikes! Loose Ritz and I wager we loose our County Property Tax Break!
Quote from: Catwoman on June 18, 2014, 09:25:06 AM
From what I have been told, they are worried about upkeep on the existing structures...Also, about getting rid of the portable buildings, as they will eventually wear out. Unfortunately, even with just doing the minimum on upkeep, it all takes money. Yes, the numbers have gone down, which means a decrease in monies coming in. Elk County is in an unenviable position with all these concerns.
Well common sense dictates that as enrollment goes down you do lose that money coming in which we shouldn't be taking fed money it should be all paid for by the locals. Taking fed money just makes you obligated to doing what the feds dictate.
And if the numbers go down like they appear to be then theres less kids to educate and less cost in that. Doesn't even make any sense to build anything new as by the time it is paid off, the kids will have graduated 18 years before the loan is paid off and the school will be empty of kids.
Quote from: ROSS on June 18, 2014, 11:13:34 AM
Hi Srkruzich we haven't heard from you in a long time. How ya doing?
Been sick and recovering, also trying to get my car fixed. Just don't have enough energy to work on it.
QuoteSo up pops a gym teacher and possibly coach and said that if they had to walk the kids over to the church for gym class that the time to do so would cut into the state required time for phys-ed and that it wasn't feasible. He also stated if they happened to get a handicapped child that would further cut into the phys-ed time. And he made reference to weather condition and having to walk through mud puddles and such. Oh and the gym teacher said things are just fine in the gymnasium and all they need to do is put up the safety net across the center of the gym to protect the little kids from balls from the big kids side hitting the little kids. They have been operating just fine for 5 years with the exception of protecting the small children with that safety net. This again in my opinion was done to provide an excuse to construct a second gymnasium.
Now i really find this funny. LOL. Walking through mud puddles etc. cutting into pys ed time? ROTFL. UH simple solution here fella, count the walk as pys ed time. They are exercising walking. DUH.... Secondly so what if they walk through mud puddles and inclimate weather. Those poor darlings won't melt i guarantee it. Sheesh. You gotta be kidding me. I walked to school in inclimate weather. Through rain and snow and hot and cold days. I walked between classes which you had to go outside to go to the next building. ROTFL I didn't melt, blow up or dissenigrate it never hurt me nor did it cut into whatever class time was allocated.
Damn has everyone lost their ever loving minds? How the hell do kids grow up these days with everyone wiping their asses for them! No wonder we got a nation of pus****. They can't even fall down and scrape a knee without someone calling up 911 and having a medevac team come rush them to a er room.
The rule around my house was for my boys growing up when they complained about something was, i ask them if anything is broke, any bones sticking through skin, are they bleeding profusely, or are they missing any parts. IF NOT grow up get tough and get back out there and carry on
As for the presidents kid not having a new gym to play in, cry me a fu****** river. LOL. I don't believe i have ever played in a brand new gymnasium nor have my kids nor have my grandkids. REALLY? You deal with what you got. There is no reason to replace a perfectly good building. YOu fix it, maintain it, and if you think it costs too much to maintain, it costs less to fix it via submit a closed bid for contract for lowest cost than it does to build new and maintain.
Quote from: ROSS on June 19, 2014, 08:09:12 AM
April 2015 can't get here soon enough for me.
Five seats on the West Elk USD-282 School Board will be up for vote.
Time to clean house isn't it?
Whos running against them.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 15, 2014, 04:03:47 PM
Whos running against them.
Way to early to know!
The election will be in April.
I doubt a person could even register this early.
Quote from: srkruzich on July 15, 2014, 03:52:33 PM
Now i really find this funny. LOL. Walking through mud puddles etc. cutting into pys ed time? ROTFL. UH simple solution here fella, count the walk as pys ed time. They are exercising walking. DUH.... Secondly so what if they walk through mud puddles and inclimate weather. Those poor darlings won't melt i guarantee it. Sheesh. You gotta be kidding me. I walked to school in inclimate weather. Through rain and snow and hot and cold days. I walked between classes which you had to go outside to go to the next building. ROTFL I didn't melt, blow up or dissenigrate it never hurt me nor did it cut into whatever class time was allocated.
Damn has everyone lost their ever loving minds? How the hell do kids grow up these days with everyone wiping their asses for them! No wonder we got a nation of pus****. They can't even fall down and scrape a knee without someone calling up 911 and having a medevac team come rush them to a er room.
The rule around my house was for my boys growing up when they complained about something was, i ask them if anything is broke, any bones sticking through skin, are they bleeding profusely, or are they missing any parts. IF NOT grow up get tough and get back out there and carry on
As for the presidents kid not having a new gym to play in, cry me a fu****** river. LOL. I don't believe i have ever played in a brand new gymnasium nor have my kids nor have my grandkids. REALLY? You deal with what you got. There is no reason to replace a perfectly good building. YOu fix it, maintain it, and if you think it costs too much to maintain, it costs less to fix it via submit a closed bid for contract for lowest cost than it does to build new and maintain.
This is some funny shit right here. Elk Konnected liberal bastards running your school. They get whatever the hell they want. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference if you vote on it or not. I mean, they put it to the people whether or not to close down Moline and Severy schools. People said no. The bastards did it anyway. No matter how much you bitch, they're going to build onto the school, whether it's put to a vote or not. Say for instance, they have a secret meeting, don't inform anyone so they won't show up. And how many times have they called each other and discussed this over the phone? That's the way Elk Konnected works. You know..."screw the people, we'll give them what we want"...I only heard it from our own mayor here in Longton, we'll do what we want. He's got his nose so far up Elk Konnected's ass he can't see the light of day. What's he getting out of if? Anyway, Steve is absolutely right. I was born and raised at Sedan. We had 4 separate buildings; we had an old gymnasium built back, hell i'm gonna say, the late '40s and a new gymnasium built in the '80s. We walked from the high school building to the new gym, changed our clothes, took our showers afterwards and still had an hour of PE. So what the hell is this crap of walking them over to the church, cutting in to their PE time? Why not count the time that they are physically walking to and from the church as part of the PE class time? I'm not for sure how they still count the time in Sedan, you may contact them to find out and see what kind of shit is trying to be played over on you. But no matter what, that school board is going to do what they want and they don't give a damn what the people up there think. So, election time vote their asses out, put someone in who will listen to you. Unless you like paying higher and higher mill levy taxes and that does count for even the elderly who don't have kids in school, you're paying for it. Just my thoughts and I don't give a damn who gets pissed off.---Robert Walker
Just a few more days for voters in Elk County Government district one to vote in the primary and decide if they want to
keep the property owners tax break provided by the money from the Wind Farm and provided by the County Commissioners?
Will you vote for the
tax break by voting for the incumbent commissioner Mr. Ritz?
Or will you vote for
Elk Konnected whom, I believe that the opponent Shari Kaminska is most likely
Konnected with ?
You do remember Elk Konnected don't you?I don't live in District #1, but if I did. I would feel my vote for
Mr. Ritz would be
a vote to keep the property tax break he instigated and got passed for us.
No I am not speaking up because of any connection with Mr. Ritz, we are not friends or direct neighbors.
Our only connection is as neighbors in the same county. Just as my connection is with you -- neighbors in the same county and on the same forum.
PLEASE VOTE FOR
Ritz Ritz Ritz Ritz Ritz Ritz Ritz Ritz
R I T Z
We will definitely be voting for DOUG RITZ, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER come primary day, August 5th. He's a good man trying his best to help straighten out the mess that Elk County was in with the previous board of commissioners!
VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !!
Quote from: kshillbillys on July 30, 2014, 10:09:58 PM
We will definitely be voting for DOUG RITZ, DISTRICT ONE COMMISSIONER come primary day, August 5th. He's a good man trying his best to help straighten out the mess that Elk County was in with the previous board of commissioners!
VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !!
Yea for you guys!
Sure Mr. Ritz gets a bit boisterous occasionally, but I prefer to call it being passionate about Elk County and Elk County Government. Along with that passion comes honesty, which I find very valuable.
What I fear, is if he loses we end up with another
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Kontroled Board and money flying out of the County Coffers for special interests benefit. And the very likely loss of our property tax relief.
So,
Yea for you guys, caring about Elk County.
I agree with your post I just copied and pasted here:
VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !! VOTE FOR RITZ !!
I'd like to add, Let's keep things in
Elk County on it's positive track!
Obama has proven that change
is not necessarily a good thing!
And in this case, I believe change
could be
very bad for Elk County.
Just go back and re-read this thread
about that changey stuff
that was attempted and
failed
to accomplish anything and
perhaps was detrimental to Elk County.
I went to Longton this morning for the Longton Free Fair Parade , which was fun.
I hug around for the Elk County Farm Bureau sponsored Political Forum.
I listened to the opening 2 minute speeches from the candidates.
Mr. Ritz stated he made some notes to read from because he was nervous in front of a crowd. He stated because, he is not a politician. I agree with him, he was as nervous as a cat on a hot tin roof. I can relate to that.
Mr. Ritz has been very good for Elk County, both he and Mr. Hebb. By the way neither one is
Elk Konnected.With the two of them working together county property taxes have been lowered, employee relations with-in the county have improved. Yes, I have spoke with several of the employees.
Neither one of these Commissioners promise anything except to try to make improvements as time goes by. Neither Commissioner has ties to any special interest groups, this is
a big plus for Elk County.
They are working on getting several hundred thousand dollars from FEMA for road repairs.
The other candidate Ms. Kaminska came out sounding just like
Elk Konnected. She want to use the
Wind Farm money for other things, like
Economic Development for the store owers ---- and who know for what else. As if the store owners don't already make a profit off of us! If Kaminska wins you might as well kiss your property tax break, provided by the Wind Farm money good-by. We have had a paid Economic Development Employee, a very expensive position and it accomplished nothing for all the money thrown at the position. They didn't even suggest starting an industrial park in Elk County. Do we want to pay someone, once again to do nothing or to perhaps act as a spy for lord who know who? And do we want to pay higher property taxes for such a person?
If Kaminska wins property taxes will most likely go up and not just the ten percent savings from the wind farm money!
Why?
I believe we will have two liberal
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners once again. Remember how they voted to give recreation money to
Elk Konnected, while the communities did without? If you get two
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners again they will most likely remove the recreation funds from the communities and keep it in the county coffers, so they can operate as before.
Kaminska said she graduate high school here and left like so many others, she was gone for 25 years, 25 years gone! So she didn't care for 25 years, that the population was declining did she? But now, all of a sudden she cares and she can fix it.
ROFLMAO. I like these people that say I was born and raised here , I graduated high school here, as if it means something and then they
abandon the area for twenty five years and suddenly have all the answers for fixing things, don't you like it?
She spoke of the declining population --- nothing new there.
But she spoke of getting industry to come to Elk County to provide jobs for people!
What people, we have a declining population. Where is any kind of substantial industry gonna find employees?
She didn't say where this industry is going to come from, or how she would get them to come here. By the way do we have an industrial park for industry to move to?
She spoke of these things as if she could get it done, but like a good politician, failed to explain how any of it could be done.
When they got to the question of how to continue funding education! She spoke of new and better buildings and gymnasiums. Huh! She spoke of the recent ballot concerning construction at West Elk and how it failed as if it was a bad attitude of the taxpayers.
That is the impression I received. But folks, West Elk is not even in Elk County District One, is she confused about which district is which? Oh no, she isn't! West Elk has several
Elk Konnected School Board Members ---- can you see the
KONNECTION ?Before you vote for someone else over the honest Mr. Ritz who has no affiliation to
Elk Konnected please go back and read the hair brained ideas on page one of this thread and remember the attempts to have control over th wind farm moneys, please.
Sure, I live in district 3, however a wrong vote in district 1 will have equally adverse effects in my district and in district 2 as well.
Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please, Please Don't make Elk County a loser!
For the sake of everyone in Elk County
VOTE FOR
Mr. RITZ
Keep an honest man on the County Board.
There is not a single person out there that will challenge what I am posting, because it is the truth.
Ross, I'm not going to challenge you on what you have posted, because I was there too and if i'm not mistaken, you might've left a little bit too early. You did fail to mention that Ms. Kaminska and her boyfriend seemed to have gotten a little bent out of shape when it was the public's turn to ask questions. Elk Konnected seemed to pour out of the sweat ducts when questions were actually asked of her. And I don't believe anybody there wanted to take their questions one on one in private with her. Kinda sounds like an old Elk Konnected strategy or a Charlie Rich song: "no one knows what goes on behind closed doors." Anyway, it seems to me that Mr. Cannon was upset enough, looked like he wanted to start a fight in the parking lot, not a rumor, several people witnessed it. If you can't handle questions put towards you now, before you're a county commissioner, how the hell are you gonna be able to handle it if you were to ever win? My vote still goes for Mr. Ritz. I know how screwed up things were before he got in there; I know he has turned this county around and got it headed back in the right direction. I am sure as hell not ready to turn back around and go back to the old ways and same old broken socialistic policies with Elk Konnected running the show from behind the scenes. Can anyone say
RINO??---- Mr. Robert Walker
VOTE FOR DOUG RITZ, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT 1
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
Ross, I'm not going to challenge you on what you have posted, because I was there too and if i'm not mistaken, you might've left a little bit too early.
You are right I did leave a little early so did other people. I understood we were not going to be allowed to ask questions. So when I heard enough, which was at the very beginning, when Kamiska spewed Elk Konnected rhetoric I still hung around a little bit.
I wish i could have seen the rest, but I had out of town guest coming and had to leave.
Kshillbillys, I was trying to be as polite as I could in my previous post and it trust me it wasn't easy.
I believe we have a very honest and caring incumbent and we would simply be foolish to vote him out of office. That's not to say I agree with everything that big galoot does or says, I'm just saying I trust him to do the right thing and also I trust he will not be involved with any NGO's that are seeking power.
I am usually very skeptical of politicians, but as Mr. Ritz said he is not a politician.
You know how to tell when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving.
Mr. Ritz was limited in what he said and was on point. Unlike long winded politicians.
A Vote for Mr. Ritz is a vote for Elk County!
Don't settle for B. S. with no explantion on how it is going to work.
Did anyone get video. I had my phone set up and ready to video but alas I had to leave.
Video would be great.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
You did fail to mention that Ms. Kaminska and her boyfriend seemed to have gotten a little bent out of shape when it was the public's turn to ask questions. Elk Konnected seemed to pour out of the sweat ducts when questions were actually asked of her.
Dog gone it, I missed the good stuff. The honesty came out loud and clear. Her opening 2 minute speech just reeked of Elk Konnected, She wants to work miracles with the wind farm monies for the merchants. She wants to bring industry to Elk County with that money. My question is, where would industry find employees? Elk Konnected people that confronted me on this thread, were refering to me as an outsider, like they don't ike outsiders. So where would industry find enough empoyees? Where would industry set up in Elk County? We don't have an industrial park, do we? Industry would be better served in Independence or Winfileds Industrial park wouldn't they? Pipe dreams with no substance are not an election option in my opinion.
She wants to bring jobs for the people. My questionis what people? We have a declining population don't we? I suppose she could split the waters with her staff, right? Mre pipe dreams and no substance. Wil the Dstrict One voters buy it?
And I heard she wants another Economic Development and Youth Development Employee for $40,000 a year plus benefits! It didn't work before, it won't work now. And I guess with an Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners panel they would change the rule book that does not allow previous employees to be rehired to read just the opposite and re-hire the previous spying employee? Don't you see that happening? Pipe Dreams!
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
And I don't believe anybody there wanted to take their questions one on one in private with her.
People asked me here on this forum,why I didn't have a one on one in private with the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Hendricks and I replied,that I did not trust being alone with her. Boy talk about the trouble that could have came out of that one,for me! No thank you ! If you can not trust some one a private one on one could be very dangerous for you. So, don't go there. Don't be stupid.
Even Kommunity Konversations were not Commuity Conversations but were very carefully controlled three ring circuses. Those foldk did not like being in full control of every step of the circus.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
Kinda sounds like an old Elk Konnected strategy or a Charlie Rich song: "no one knows what goes on behind closed doors."
We have heard that tune plenty of times on this thread haven't we.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
Anyway, it seems to me that Mr. Cannon was upset enough, looked like he wanted to start a fight in the parking lot, not a rumor, several people witnessed it.
What? Is this Chicago now?
Are we going to have Chicago style politics in Elk County?
Just consider what County Commissioner Meetings might be like with a constant threat in the back ground! Is that what we want in our local government.
I'd prefer an honest person like Mr. Ritz. But, alas I can't vote for him!
I am not in his district, but who ever wins will affect all three districts.
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
If you can't handle questions put towards you now, before you're a county commissioner, how the hell are you gonna be able to handle it if you were to ever win?
You can't!
Quote from: kshillbillys on August 02, 2014, 02:58:09 PM
My vote still goes for Mr. Ritz. I know how screwed up things were before he got in there; I know he has turned this county around and got it headed back in the right direction. I am sure as hell not ready to turn back around and go back to the old ways and same old broken socialistic policies with Elk Konnected running the show from behind the scenes. Can anyone say RINO??---- Mr. Robert Walker
I have spoke with county employees that have told me that all the departments are working together these days. Now, that's a formidable accomplishment and speaks highly of both Commissioners Hebb and Ritz.
VOTE FOR DOUG RITZ, COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT 1
I am waiting anxiously for the voting results
to see if District ONE voters
vote SMART!
What?
Don't any of you Elk Konnected People have the slightest good thing to say about Ms. Kaminska ?
I guess that says it all, doesn't it folks?
Mr. Ritz should win hands down, any way I hope so for the sake of Elk County.
I hope every one can make it to the pole to vote for Mr. Ritz.
If you need a ride PM me and I will gladly pick you up and take you back home.
I don't care who you vote for (well I do) but that's your buisness. Don't tell me, the ride is still free.
Unofficial Count at 9 PM
COUNTY OFFICES
County Commissioner, District 1
Douglas C. Ritz Republican 16
Shari Kaminska Republican 16
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Quote from: ROSS on August 05, 2014, 08:05:53 PM
Unofficial Count at 9 PM
COUNTY OFFICES
County Commissioner, District 1
Douglas C. Ritz Republican 16
Shari Kaminska Republican 16
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Unofficial Count at 9:30 PM
COUNTY OFFICES
County Commissioner, District 1
Douglas C. Ritz Republican 57
Shari Kaminska Republican 111
Elk Co. Commission District 1 GOP
County: Elk Total Votes: 168 Reporting: 100%
Douglas Ritz 57
34%
Shari Kaminska 111
66% Winner Winner ELK KONNECTED HAS WON; LOOK FOR MORE PEOPLE TO LEAVE AND MORE SHIT TO FALL APART! THE PEOPLE OF ELK COUNTY ARE THE BIGGEST LOSERS IN ALL OF THIS!
P.S. IT SEEMS TO BE NOTHING MORE THAN A POPULARITY CONTEST. I AT LEAST USE MY HEAD TO THINK AND REMEMBER HOW F..KED UP THINGS WERE WITH THE 2 FACED BACKSTABBING LAW BREAKING ELK KONNECTED PARTY IN OFFICE. YOU ALL CAN JUST SAY WELCOME BACK!!
That sucks kshillbillys!
I am ashamed of some District 1 voters.
We are screwed.
Anyone want to buy a retirement farm?
Yes Ross...We have 4 separate pieces of property in Longton for sale...Anyone wanna buy them?
You gotta have a lot of money if you're willing to pay higher taxes....for what? ::)
I've got 60 acres with a double wide home, two barns, a hen house, a cattle shed and two ponds with fish.
The property fronts highway 160, no dusty gravel road.
There are a lot of other amenities like a storn shelter, real close to the two city lakes.
It use to be close to a grade school.
Q-mart is just a very short drive for needed groceries and gas.
Merle's gas station is even closer for gasoline and diesel.
Mills feed store is just a breath away.
All of which makes us an ideal location.
Oh and the liquor store is real close as well.
I'll include a lot of tools and farm machinery.
The grass hoppers are free.
Make me an offer I can't refuse.
The best thing that could happen to Elk County is for Ross and Hillbilly to leave and go put their negative crap on another county. Shari is a really sharp person and she has held some very important jobs with Major Oil pipelines, she will do great as a County Commissioner. Her husband is part of a very longtime prominent and successful ranching family in Elk county. Shari's Mother served Elk count for many years and did. Great job of it, Shari will do well Also.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 06, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
The best thing that could happen to Elk County is for Ross and Hillbilly to leave and go put their negative crap on another county.
Your negative crap is far worse than mine because it is based on twisted positives.
Pleas provide us with some more of your twisted positives.
You are very much entitled to your opinion just as kshillbilly and I are entitled to our opinions. And you don't seem to be able to cope with that, sorry. Thank you.
I don't see you make an offer to buy me out!
What's the problem, no money, no credit, what's the problem just can't afford the property taxes on it? Come-on make a reasonable offer.
But that negative crap that comes from the liberal idiots and their stinkin thinking, twisted as a positive attitude is okay, as long as other peoples money is paying their.
I am waiting with baited breath for those 4 industries to move to Longton?
I'm wondering how many employees they will hire?
I'm wondering where those employees will come from?
Have you got any answers to these questions?
Sure a good positive questions forms for a negative answer or no answer, don't they? No answer forth coming, we can bet on that.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 06, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
Shari is a really sharp person and she has held some very important jobs with Major Oil pipelines, she will do great as a County Commissioner. Her husband is part of a very longtime prominent and successful ranching family in Elk county.
I too have held very important jobs with Arco Pipeline, also in the military, and as a civil worker for the Department of Defense. Big Deal!
But for her that and being associated with
Elk Konnected will surely follow the lines of page one of this thread and it's idiotic ideas. Good move for Elk Coutnty isn't it?
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 06, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
Shari's Mother served Elk count for many years and did. Great job of it, Shari will do well Also.
None of that has nothing to do with the business of running Elk County Government as a Commissioner does it?
She said in her speech that she was born and raised and graduated high school here.
That appears to be the major requirement to be an Elk County Commissioner which is really weird. She then turned around and said she abandoned the area for 20 or 30 years. Most kids do leave home after graduations don't they.
How soon are they gonna hire back the Elk Konnected Youth Development and Economic Development Employee that did nothing for the money she was paid?
Huh! How soon? Do you have an answer, I doubt you will answer.
What will Economic development do?
Will they bring back the program where they give privileged people property taxes and lower property taxes for business that all ready profit from our dollars in their stores and raise property taxes for all others?
Will they provide the county's wind farm money to West Elk? Yes, West Elk was going to send a couple of people to the Elk Couty commissioers and ask for wind farm money, but boy, did they change their mind real fast. They learned that County Government is not responsible to the School Government and would be told no. But with another
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board they will feel more comfortable coming before them and asking for that wind farm money won't they?
I expect to see a lot of changes for the worst in Elk County, just like the hopey changes of the Liberal Obama. Maybe another Day Care or another Health Workout Business or something just as dumb and useless, all at the taxpayer's expense. Not good.
On last question Joesue23 of
Caney, KS, have you read this entire thread with an open mind?
It is a real pleasure communicating with you Joesue23 of
Caney, KS, may you have great day today and everyday.
Ross and Hillbilly, there are several realators in the county that you could list your properties with.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 10:48:28 AM
Ross and Hillbilly, there are several realators in the county that you could list your properties with.
But Nancy if you or Joesue23 of Caney, KS can't afford to buy mind your own business, buying realestate and giving advice is not your forte. You prove that by showing any idiot knows there realators in Elk County, and by not making an offer to buy.
If i were to list it would probably be with a realtor in Wichita. If I were to list why would I want commissions to go to anyone in Elk County, wouldn't I really be pissed off to list. And I especially would not use an Elk Konnected Realator? LOL
Do you have any answers to the questions in my previous post or are you too going to feign ignorance by not answering? That would be a very negative attitude on your part. LOL
Check out my next post about nasty negativity from Joesue23 of Caney, KS
Bye-bye for now.
Dear, dear Joesue23 of Caney, KS,
Your first post (below) on the forum and you have got to bash and bully and be extremely negative. Nice job!
Your second post above and you are an expert on Elk County. Good job!
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 08:40:44 AM
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
Quote from: ROSS on August 06, 2014, 12:48:45 PM
Whose got the loco weed, I mean just look at your handle --- Joesue23 what is that.
Is it Joe or Sue?
Is it an indication of bisexuality?
Or is it an indication of a transvite?
THIS IS YOUR VERY FIRST POST AND LOOK HOW NEGATIVE YOU ARE!
You shouldn't be so negative in your posts.
Perhaps call your self Mr or Ms negativity or just call yourself, nasty person! Sic. LOL
Don't you want to live in Elk County?
Tit for tat! ROFLMAO !
I am just asking what Joesue is?And I noticed you are feigning ignorance by not responding to any of those questions I asked!
One more compound question is Shari Kaminska your momma and did you abandon Elk County like she did?
Just asking.
It's so sweet of you to use your very two first post addressing me.
Thank you.
TTFN
I am reposting this for one reason and one reason only, to let everyone know exactly what Ross is before someone calls him on this post and he deletes it. This is what those of us who used to use this Forum as a way to communicate have had to put up with ever since Ross joined it and made it his personal bully-pulpit.
Dear, dear Joesue23 of Caney, KS,
Your first post (below) on the forum and you have got to bash and bully and be extremely negative. Nice job!
Your second post above and yu are an expert on Elk County. Good job!
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 09:40:44 am
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
Quote from: ROSS on Today at 01:48:45 pm
Whose got the loco weed, I mean just look at your handle --- Joesue23 what is that.
Is it Joe or Sue?
Is it an indication of bisexuality?
Or is it an indication of a transvite?
THIS IS YOUR VERY FIRST POST AND LOOK HOW NEGATIVE YOU ARE!
You shouldn't be so negative in your posts.
Perhaps call your self Mr or Ms negativity or just call yourself, nasty person! Sic. LOL
Don't you want to live in Elk County?
Tit for tat! ROFLMAO !
I am just asking what Joesue is?And I noticed you are feigning ignorance by not responding to any of those questions I asked!
One more compound question is Shari Kaminska your momma and did you abandon Elk County like she did?
Just asking.
It's so sweet of you to use your very two first post addressing me.
Thank you.
TTFN
Ross you have no idea what you are talking about half the time. Doug Ritz served for the county and now the people want to give Shari the job. Why would you not use businesses in Elk County? Try reading your own posts if you want to see hateful.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 06, 2014, 01:21:24 PM
I am reposting this for one reason and one reason only, to let everyone know exactly what Ross is before someone calls him on this post and he deletes it. This is what those of us who used to use this Forum as a way to communicate have had to put up with ever since Ross joined it and made it his personal bully-pulpit.
Dear, dear Joesue23 of Caney, KS,
Your first post (below) on the forum and you have got to bash and bully and be extremely negative. Nice job!
Your second post above and yu are an expert on Elk County. Good job!
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 09:40:44 am
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
Quote from: ROSS on Today at 01:48:45 pm
Whose got the loco weed, I mean just look at your handle --- Joesue23 what is that.
Is it Joe or Sue?
Is it an indication of bisexuality?
Or is it an indication of a transvite?
THIS IS YOUR VERY FIRST POST AND LOOK HOW NEGATIVE YOU ARE!
You shouldn't be so negative in your posts.
Perhaps call your self Mr or Ms negativity or just call yourself, nasty person! Sic. LOL
Don't you want to live in Elk County?
Tit for tat! ROFLMAO !
I am just asking what Joesue is?And I noticed you are feigning ignorance by not responding to any of those questions I asked!
One more compound question is Shari Kaminska your momma and did you abandon Elk County like she did?
Just asking.
It's so sweet of you to use your very two first post addressing me.
Thank you.
TTFN
There is no way I would ever delete my posts, however I know there are those of you that do that.
That is why I always use the quote button, it is real easy. You see the way you did it gives no verification that it is a word for word quote.
Use the little button on the top right side of the post you want to quote and it will open a post window and you can then add your comments. Very easy and it alos provides a link to the original post if it has not been deleted.
I did go back and ammend my this post, I added an o to the word yu to spell you.
So what's your point?
You don't like tit for tat?
You don't like questions?
You don't like Joesue23 of Caney, KS calling me a nut case?
Really what is your point?
Oh, maybe you don't like honesty?
Thanks for recognizing my post, I don't understand the cause, but now people get to read it again. And maybe they will actually learn something from it. Thank you.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
Ross you have no idea what you are talking about half the time.
Really Nancy!
Could you, would you please elaborate on that statement, if you are capable, pretty please?
I doubt it.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
Doug Ritz served for the county
And has done an exceptional job without an NGO telling him what to do.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
and now the people want to give Shari the job.
Shari and her Liberal Konnected friends, right?
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
Why would you not use businesses in Elk County?
What? Did you have a problem comprehend what I posted?
Go back and re-read that post and if you still don't comprehend I will gladly quote it for you.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 01:33:23 PM
Try reading your own posts if you want to see hateful.
I have always tried to make my posts polite with a touch of sarcasm but never hate.
Do you comprehend the difference!
On the other hand, I have reciever personal threats on this thread from Konnected Followers.
Perhaps you should re-read the thread for comprehension, just a suggestion.
I have explained on this thread that I experienced hate on one occassion in my life time many, many years ago and never wish to experience it again. But thank you for your efforts. TTFN
You know absolutely nothing about Shari. You said you would list your place in Wichita. No one ever said Doug did a bad job. There is a difference between sarcasm and hatefulness, and you continually cross the line.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
You know absolutely nothing about Shari.
I listened to her sales pitch at the Political Forum, are you saying she lied, because if not I do know something.
Well, I also know you think she is important because she worked for a major oil company which for some reason make her important. And I told you I worked for Arco (which is a major oil company) and the Federal Government Department of Defense.
But that has nothing to do with nothing.
But please enlighten us, all of us forum readers, because nobody else will.
Is Shari associated with
Elk Konnected or not?
The reason I ask is her opening speach at the political forum reeked of
Elk Konnected.Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
You said you would list your place in Wichita. No one ever said Doug did a bad job. There is a difference between sarcasm and hatefulness, and you continually cross the line.
Would you please quote me the guide lines and quote exactly where I crossed the line, pretty please.
Curious minds want to know? LOL
Can't do it can you?
Just more twisted statements with no meat!
Too bad!
This is so much fun, keep it coming.
Quote from: Nancy on August 06, 2014, 02:57:45 PM
You know absolutely nothing about Shari. You said you would list your place in Wichita. No one ever said Doug did a bad job. There is a difference between sarcasm and hatefulness, and you continually cross the line.
You are so right Nancy. Just the comments to you, me and Frank this afternoon prove he has no idea that there is a line between sarcasm and hatefulness, let alone which side of it he is on.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 06, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
You are so right Nancy. Just the comments to you, me and Frank this afternoon prove he has no idea that there is a line between sarcasm and hatefulness, let alone which side of it he is on.
Well crosstimber enighten us?
As I asked Nancy and recieved no response, "Would you please quote me the guide lines and quote exactly where I crossed the line, pretty please."
Curious minds want to know? LOL
Can't do it can you?
Just more twisted statements with no meat!
Too bad!
This is so much fun, keep it coming.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 06, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
You are so right Nancy. Just the comments to you, me and Frank this afternoon prove he has no idea that there is a line between sarcasm and hatefulness, let alone which side of it he is on.
Nancy and Crosstimbers, you are both so right.
It's Ross' politics that bothers you all more than anything. Ross supports small and good government, not your social agenda financed by government force.
That how I'm seeing it.
Quote from: crosstimber on August 06, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
You are so right Nancy. Just the comments to you, me and Frank this afternoon prove he has no idea that there is a line between sarcasm and hatefulness, let alone which side of it he is on.
Quote from: frawin on August 06, 2014, 04:16:28 PM
Nancy and Crosstimbers, you are both so right.
I have tried to be polite but now I have to say it like it is.
You are a bunch of
kiss-asses and can continue
kissing each others assess all you want in order to cover up your
ignorance and inability to communicate.
And that can be proven by your lack of ability to answer a few simple questions?
Failure to respond appropriatetly is the proof.
1. But please enlighten us, all of us forum readers, because nobody else will.
Is Shari associated with
Elk Konnectedor not?
2. Are you ashamed of your own asscociation to
Elk Konnected?
(I do believe it is safe to assume this is true, if you claim not to be Elk Konnected)
3. Why is no one associated with
Elk Konnected? 4. Would you please quote me the guide lines and quote exactly where I crossed the line?
5. Or is it your own imaginary line, which is from your arrogant ignorance isn't it?
6. Do you really believe the readers on this are dumb enough to fall for your B.S. ?
7. Do the three of you lack the edumacation to respond to these simple question that most grade school children could answer?
Please. speak up I can not hear
ass kissing you?
Oh better yet copy and past the questions and type the answers.
I sure hope you can comprehend the above simply written directions on how to reply.
One more question are you afraid Elk Konnected might retaliate if you respond?
No guts-No glory for you three. LOL
I appologize for that out burst I should have been more polite and said suckup instead of kiss-asses.
But still no answers, because you lack the knowledge to respond, isn't that right?
Time will tell when the damage to Elk County is done with some goofy idea like the ones on page one of this thread? Those goofy ideas don't appear to be going there, so they can be read anytime, like I said on page one of this thread.
Even with free taxpayer money to purchase equipment the Elk Konnected Fitness Center failed, remember?
Here read and weep:
Prairie Star
Wellness Center opens in Howard
A new wellness and fitness center has opened at 129 N. Wabash in Howard, operted by Elk Konnected.
The building is owned by See-Kan which is leasing it to Elk Konnected, LLC.
The mission of See-Kan is to enhance the quality of life in Southeast Kansas by providing leadership, education, and communication to help find solutions and resources for community needs.
Elk Konnected, a familiar name in Elk County and the surrounding communities, is a community development program designed to promote strong families, solid education, and a superior lifestyle. The Community Wellness team will have a float in the parade this weekend during the Elk River Festival activities, as well as host an open house in the building on Saturday.
The team encourages people to stop by to see the building and some of the fitness equipment already in place, as well as pledge a membership. The Fitness Center is still in the planning phase and is not open for business yet, but the Wellness Team hopes to have it ready within a few weeks.
September 23, 2009 · It was Posted in Newspaper.
It was a total failure, wasn't it?
Is this the way our county government will be ran with another Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Board?
Only time will tell, huh?
How has Elk Konnected provided any of the things they claim they are designed to promote as in strong families, solid education, and a superior lifestyle? Where are the accomplishments?
Will the Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Board provide taxpayer funds to Elk Konnected so they can pay their dues to Public Squares Communities ?
Since you can not provide an intelligable answers, we will have to wait and see, won't we?
I have heard that the Fredonia Chamber of Commerce voted to not give any more funds for thier part in their NGO. What do you know about that?
Oops! I fogot, you got now answers.
I's a shame you only know haw to pat each other on the back and have no answers!
Bye-bye for now.
People of Elk County are talking and those with no answers and simply suck up to each other will be the losers.
Check out http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,16292.msg221471.html#new
Good Folks
Talking
Good Sense.
It's A "Different Thingy" Going On
What's Orchestrated And Organized Behind The Curtain?
It's snarky when they disagree with you, otherwise,
its clever wit!
These attitudes can not be permitted to continue to fly.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 07, 2014, 06:18:18 AM
It's Ross' politics that bothers you all more than anything. Ross supports small and good government, not your social agenda financed by government force.
That how I'm seeing it.
Thank you redsclifsw, you are so right.
I do'nt care much for Progressive Liberal Socialist Watedful People in Government.
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Sheeple are so easily lead, some call it leadership!
Not me! If it sounds shady question it, until answers are recieved.
Remember the Kindergarten Stars and all the Lollipops!
Remember being herded to circles of chairs and being told who you could or could not sit with?
I failed to follow their orders and the Sheriff was called-in, remember?
Simple tools of Progressive Liberal Socialist Leader wanna be's.
Just my thoughts and opinion!
IS THS WHAT WE WANT RUNNIG ELK COUNTY?
I sure as hell hope not!
Hi Folks,
I have missed the last two School Board Meeting, but not by choice (well yes it was by choice), I do want to attend these meetings, because I want to know first hand what the Konnected School Board Members are doing. That's not to say that everyone on the School Board is Konnected, I am certain one of them is intelligent enough to think for himself.
I missed the School Board Meetings because of Higher Priority personal reasons, that I don't feel a need to share. I will say everything went smoothly and ended with the finest of results. It was a Quality of Life situation and no help from Elk Konnected. Have they ever defined what Quality of Life means to them?
While on the subject of Elk Konnected where are they?
Who are they?
Are they they really the Old Guard in New Dresses?
What are their present day goals?
Did they get a member elected to the County Commissioners Board?
Will that mean we will have another Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board?
Will that Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board changes the by-laws so they can re-hire the old Konnected Youth Development and Economic Development Employee at great expense to the property owners and taxpayers? The two previous positions provided nothing for the county, will it happen again?
Will that new Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board resume providing taxpayers dollars to their organization as they did in the past?
Will that new Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board try to run that Neighborhood Revitalization Program once again? You know where they give special property tax breaks to special people? Shouldn't everyone pay their fair share of property tax?
Will Elk Konnected or their Konected Followers (sheeple) step up and answer any questions?
Why do they hide?
Are they ashamed of their Konnection?
Oh no I have't disappeared, just been busy!
I still have uanswered questions!
And it doesn't appear anyone is intelligent enough to answer any of them?
It doesn't appear that all them college diplomas provide much in the way of answers, does it?
Can any of the Konnected get Konnectedwith enough intellegence to provide any Konnectedanswers?
Even Obama and Holder and Biden have answers, even though they are usually wrong !
Is that what is perhaps bothering the Konected Followers[/b] (sheeple)? That their answer will be wrong?
Oh my gosh I think I landed on the real problem!
Have a happy Sunday everyone. I know I will, I have out of town company coming.
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
Wow, what a dy-no-mite response, just WOW!
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
I've asked before What is a JoeSue is it a male or female or a transvite? Who is Joesue?
Ya all know who I am, I'm Ross, I'm not hiding behind a transexual name, am I?
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected.
I do not blow, but perhaps you do!
You fail to comprehend; I asked ,who is
Elk Konnected?What is
Elk Konnected? Do these questions offend you?
Why Joesue, why is it that everyone denies a
Konnection with
Elk Konnected?Or perhaps, I should ask why no one admits being
Konnected?Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected.
Can you prove that, what ya got to back it up with?
Why doesn't she come right on here and make that statement herself?
It sure would be reassuring, if she had the backbone to do that, in my personal opinion!
Why can't she just flat out make the statement, "I have never been involved directly or indirectly with
Elk Konnected." ?
Are you also saying Shari Kaminski has no
Konnection with our previous
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Liz Hendricks?
Can Shari Kaminski say the exact same thing?
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari.
That's nice! Would be all five of them? Wait a minute, I'm sorry but because you hide behind that funny name, I have no idea who you are or what you are or how many people you might be talking about. Sorry!
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County.
She is so sharp she tried to deflect questions from the crowd at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum, right? And that's why she asked, why everyone was picking on her and not Doug Rits, right? That sharp?
I did hear you say the she owns land but that her family owns land?
Was that by chance inherited land that belongs to all the family members?
Just asking.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt.
What difference does it make if Doug own or leases the land he farms?
Are you trying to discredit a hard working farmer? --- shame on you.
He pays the property tax either way?
So just how does that disqualify or make him any less a citizen and taxpayer and voter in Elk County?
Even the poor folks that rent homes in Elk County pay property taxes in Elk County through their rent money to their landlord and the landlord make a profit as well.
A lot of renters, say I ain't gonna vote because, I don't pay taxes in Elk County! They just don't understand if property taxes go up their rent will go up to make up the difference. So really, they should vote to protect themselves.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
Oh, really!
I own my own little ranch/farm, I didn't inherit it either and I don't owe the bank on it either, but what difference does that make?
Just like all other property owners in Elk County, I support the County with my property taxes.
I brought new blood to Elk County; I understand the old blood is growing stale --- just kidding about the old blood – bad joke.
I brought new money into Elk County of which much is spent supporting the merchants in Elk County, which provides them a profit. And guess what it happens each and every month.
I have also provide a few good laughs for some people with my green horn farming and ranching. Did you ever drive by my place and have a good laugh at my amateur round bales of hay? Well you really missed something. But the cows that ate it didn't laugh while eating it.
I also provide this thread for all to read and with the help of a few people information provided caused an awakening of sorts. Perhaps you are not familiar with the whole thread, it is an interesting read of manipulation and circus of circle of chairs and kindergarten stars for adults.
On one hand it ain't much, but on the other hand it is a lot. It all depends on the perception of the reader. How's your perception? I'm just an outsider, so why do you bother? Every one know I'm an outsider right?
What has Shari Kaminski done for Elk County besides abandon it for 25 years and then did it a big favor by coming back? She is not the only one, that abandoned Elk County for many, many years is she?
If you consider the questions as just "Blowing" Please excuse yourself from responding or please answer the questions. Please go back to my previous post and review those questions. I would really like to hear some responsible answers and I'm sure others would too!
I had to come back and modify the following question: modification is in bold red.
One last question please, "What has Joesue
of Caney done for Elk County?" Fair is Fair isn't it?
Thank you !
Have a Great Evening.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
So he leases your Aunt Shari's land and farms it, no big deal.
Lot's of farmers lease land to farm.
However your remark that Doug Rits does not own land is poppycock, nasty politics or a lie or perhaps arrogant ignorance. Take your pick.
The County Assessor county website of property ownership shows otherwise.
So you must be as sharp as your Aunt, huh, Joesue23 of
Caney?If you are going to politic, why must you copy the methods of Washington, D.C. ?
You see I don't know Doug Ritz personally but I have seen the improvements he has made as County Commissioner without the lies. He is an honest man.
Are you still politicing?
I just heard a local RUMOR, perhaps some of you may have heard it and can fill in the blanks.
The RUMOR:
HOWARD WILL be getting a DOLLAR GENERAL ?
The reported location is across the highway from West Elk District Office in the raggedy old house.
The advantage of the location is
1. Larger population in Howard than other communities in the county.
2. Outside the Howard City limits across the highway, no property taxes for Howard.
3. Very close to the West Elk School Kids and their pocket change.
One advantage for Howard they get to lose a blight on the landscape, the old house would be gone and the lot cleaned up, isn't that right?
I'd bet there are some major draw backs to this enterprise for local Merchants.
I can't quite put my finger on them right now, perhaps someone else can supply some info on that subject.
How will this enterprise aid or harm Elk County's overall economy?
Unlike me, bringing fresh money into the county every month, won't this CORPORATION be taking money out of the county?
What is the Great Elk Konnected's take on this "Quality of Life" function?
Aren't these tangible things what Elk Konnected considers "Quality of Life" function?
So Elk Konnected enlighten us, please ! You have all the answers don't you?
You are commuity organizers aren't you? We patiently await your educated response, thank you!
Would the possible future County Commissioner enlighten us on this Economic Development situation since she has said she wants to have Economic Development and Youth Development re-established in Elk County.
Let's here it! Is this what you refered to as industry, you want to bring to Elk County?
Oh, Ms. Kaminski will you be a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner when seated on the Couty Commissioners Board? The reason I ask is your opening speech at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum echoed so strongly of Elk Konnected !
Oh and during your speech you rather knocked the West Elk School District Voters, that was just shameful.
It's as if you don't beieve the voters have a right to say, "NO". By the way Elected County Commissioners and County Government are a seperate entity from the Elected Officials of the West Elk School District Government. They are even seperate property taxing entities. I hope that clarifies Government business for you a little bit.
ow about some of that type of information on the subject of Dollar General?
We the citizens deserve answers, We deserve Clarity, We deserve Transparency, don't we?
Is this just a dumb rumor or what do you the Great Elk Konnected know about it?
Jane, is there any truth in the note about a Family Dollar store going on your land.
Quote from: frawin on August 26, 2014, 06:50:33 AM
Jane, is there any truth in the note about a Family Dollar store going on your land.
Yea Jane if not your land whose Land is it going on?
Where are all them
Konnected Follower folks with all the answers?
Where are the neighborhood organizers with the answers?
Can anyone confirm a rumor ?
Please!
Frank,
That land belongs to Rex's sister, Jeanne Bjorkland in Portland Oregon. She comes in once a year but does nothing to clean things up. Rex has NOTHING to do with that land, it is up to Jeanne to take care of it.
We heard this week end,Dollar General was going in on George Gardner/Loren Fear's old place. And Connie that owns Sweet and Spices was the one who was pushing the action. Jeanne was told by someone in Howard too not clean the place up as the hunting would be better.
Thanks Jane, I appreciate your response. Hope this finds you and Rex doing great. Would like to meet you in Howard for lunch sometime.
Frank,
This is interesting. Is the area contemplated for a dollar store in Elk County or is it within the Howard city limits?
Do you think Howard/Elk County could support a dollar store?
Eureka has a dollar store of some type.
Eureka is over three times as large as Howard, though.
Greenwood County is about 2.3 time larger than Elk.
If it could be successful, it seems to me that a dollar store might put somewhat of a crimp on the two food stores.
It would seem to me that if a dollar store could be viable, it would even pull in some of the Howard naysayers.
Waldo,the area that Jane said it would be would make it in the city of Howard. I think Howard has the biggest population. My first thought was that it wouldn't make it there, but there is one in Copan, OK and it is smaller that Howard and not that far from other stores in Dewey and Bartlesville. You Are right Eureka has had one for years.
Quote from: frawin on August 26, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Waldo,the area that Jane said it would be would make it in the city of Howard. I think Howard has the biggest population. My first thought was that it wouldn't make it there, but there is one in Copan, OK and it is smaller that Howard and not that far from other stores in Dewey and Bartlesville. You Are right Eureka has had one for years.
I heard it would be on the East side of Highway 99 making it out side of the Howard city limits and therefore no property tax for Howard. There would most likely be property tax for Elk County and the West Elk School District.
But what happens it the stores in Howard lose enough business that they can not stay open. I have heard a couple of the present retailers are struggling. What would that mean for Howard and Elk County overall?
I have mentioned a couple of positive points but do we just ignore the negatve aspects of the situation?
I have never shopped at a Dollar General and don't plan to at this time. I plan to continue supporting our local people, our local merchants. Go ahead call me a nasayer I won't mind a bit, but everything and I mean everything has it's good points and bad points.
What does
Elk Konnected think about this situation?
Isn't
Elk Konnected the great community organizers?
Will
Elk Konnected simply say keep it positive?
Where is this all important input?
Waldo, Charlie, and Crosstimbers , I was mistaken, if on the East side of the Highway it would be out of the Howard City limits. The land they are talking about belonged to my X brother-in-law and he was out of the city limits.
Sedan has a nice big DG, about like the one at Copan, but Sedan is just a little shy of being twice as big as Howard. Copan, Ok. has about 100 more people than Howard. I think the DG at Copan gets a big boost from being near Copan Lake. We camp at Copan Lake several times a year and without fail go to the DG for goodies, several times each camping trip.
Well we still haven't recieved any input from the Great Elk Konnected Folks.
I wonder why?
Are they not aware?
Are they part of the Elk County Community or are they still hanging on to the imaginary Elk Konnected Kommuity?
Elk Konnected is a socialist organization. Good luck at getting anything from them except more socialistic thought which is the kind of thinking Republicans in Elk County willingly support.
The first time that I was in a Dollar General was at Sedan. Dollar General seems to find a niche in small communities where local businesses can not. With all the government regulation and taxes that work against the small guy, it really benefits outfits like Dollar General because they have the capability to cope with all the attention required to run a business. Socialism is not fair to anyone, so why participate and support socialism like most of the Republicans and Democrats do?
Do you all want a country like the founding fathers established or do you prefer the socialism of the Elk Konnected types?
Went on a trip to NM. not too long ago every little town along the way had a Dollar store and a Subway
I decided to e-mail Dollar General about the possibility of a Dollar General in Howard.
The Regional Manager responded with the e-mail below.
-------Original Message-------
From: Dale Stallings
Date: 8/27/2014 8:54:52 AM
To: Ross
Subject: RE: New Store Location
The process involved for us to open a new store is pretty involved and takes a long time. We have certain developers that do all the land contracting, construction, etc. and when they get a site under contract they'll submit it for our consideration. If we approve a new store in that location then they'll take the steps necessary to try to make it happen. I've driven the roads in Kansas pretty thoroughly and can tell you that I've been through Howard several times over the years on my way to other places. As of today there have been discussions about Howard, KS, but no site has been submitted to me for consideration. If a site is submitted to me I'll give it my full attention.
Thanks for thinking of Dollar General.
"Hello Elk Konnected"
We haven't heard anything from you is such a very long time, so feel compelled to ask the following questions.
Are you still out there?
Where ever are you hiding? Yu are hiding aren't you?
Won't you advise Elk County on your take of the possibility of a new Elk County Commissioner?
She is
Elk Konnected isn't she?
Won't you advise Elk County on your take of the possibility of a new Dollar General Store in Howard?
Won't you advise Elk County on your take of the possibility of the positive or negative effects of a new Dollar General Store in Howard?
I guess if there is no response it will be safe to assume that
Elk Konnected has no intelligent answers or intellegent opinions as to what is happening in the real Elk County Community, right?
What is
Elk Konnected position and/or opinion on Obama's Common Core?
Elk Konnected Whatever happened to wanting to communicate with Elk County residences?
I don't seem to find any articles in the local newspaper or my monthly magazine from my Rural Electric Company any longer. What happened?
Is
Elk Konnected only interested in their Elk Kounty Konnected Kommunity with County Borders or City Limits?
Don;t you care about Elk County any more?
Elk Konnected Is this a boycott of Elk County citizens? Is that why you won't talk us?
Elk KonnectedCome out; come out where ever you are? LOL
Please come out and communicate with me and the Elk County Citizens.
It would be excellent advertisement for your business!
You still are an LLC aren't you?
The sky is falling: the sky is falling!
No really, we have got some sprikles so far this morning. Sweet.
Can we have some more, please! Rain that is.
What a beautiful three day weekend we are forcast to have for labor day weekend.
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Quoted from Alan Caruba, TPPN (http://www.tpnn.com/ )
On the home page of the
Communist Party USA (http://www.cpusa.org/ ) it says "A better and peaceful world is possible—a world where people and nature come before profits.
That's socialism. That's our vision. We are the Communist Party USA."For several generations since the last century, Americans have been indoctrinated to accept an ever-growing central government, but even so an August Reason-Rupe survey poll found that fully 54% favored a smaller government providing fewer services. Just 18% of Americans approve of the job Congress is doing, while 75% disapprove. REMEMBER THIS PARAGRAPH FROM PAGE ONE OF THIS THREAD ?
ELK KONNECTEDS GREAT IDEAS GIVEN TO THE ELK COUNTY COMMISSIONERS? THXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXQuote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ARE WE HEADED BACK TO THIS KIND OF THINKING OF THREE YEARS AGO ? Though education is never mentioned in the Constitution, we have a Department of Education and the same applies to the Department of Energy, both created by Jimmy Carter. A Nixon executive order brought about the creation of the Environmental Protection Agency that is masterminding an attack on private property along with the manufacturing, agricultural and energy sectors of the economy.
(OUT OF DOE WE GET THE COMMON CORE and the DUMBING DOWN OF AMERICA)
As for those "greenhouse" gases, nitrogen and oxygen are the most abundant in the atmosphere, followed by nothing more dangerous than water vapor! Carbon dioxide is a very minor gas at 0.04%. And most importantly,
the Earth is not a greenhouse. When the Sun's radiation is reduced due to its own natural cycles, it gets colder.
Someone not telling us the truth about theDollar store man says he has signed the paper work to sell land to them. Maybe they started the story see how fast it spread
Quote from: oldfart on September 01, 2014, 12:30:04 PM
Someone not telling us the truth about theDollar store man says he has signed the paper work to sell land to them. Maybe they started the story see how fast it spread
Oh, rumors usually travel pretty fast.
I did email the Dollar General Regional Manager and as you read, there has been some talk about a possibility of building in Howard but that's all.
I don't believe anyone is lying, not intentionally anyway, we will just have to wait and see what happens.
Our famous
Elk Konnected won't even share their opinion as to whether the store would be good or bad for Elk County and in particular the Howard Retail Merchants. After all doesn't
Elk Konnected have experience in failure of providing services? Don't their failures provide valuable experience, which they could share with Elk County Citizens? What Konnections does
Elk Konnected have that are of any value?
Remember when we had a
Konnected Kounty Economic Development Employee?We got nothing then either? Just wasted tax dollars, in my opinion!
What the heck kind of business is
Elk Konnected, LLC?What kind of service or merchandise does
Elk Konnected, LLC provide?
What does Elk Konnected do for
Elk County?Why won't
Elk Konnected be open and honest and transparent with Elk County?
Why won't
Elk Konnected have an
Konnected Konversation right here with all of us in
Elk County?What Konnections does Elk Konnected have and what are the Konnections importance?
It's like a turtle withdrawing into its shell !
What's with that?
Now I why no one likes getting on here anymore as well as me cough cough that would be Connie Avalos Owner of Sweet&Spicy in Howard,Ks. It has been brought up to my attention that my name was brought up on here by who ever JANE May be about the Dollar General talk if You or Anyone else want to know anything about this MATTER then you need to go to the source or whom you think might be involved instead of accusing that I am pushing for Dollar General to come here and if you must know I SUPPORT OUR LOCAL FAMILY MARKET AND APPRECIATE JULIE PERKINS, BUY GAS AT P&J'S when I NEED TO, IF YOU MUST KNOW WHERE I GO TO SHOP FOR MY BUSINESS IT CAN' T ALL BE BOUGHT LOCAL BUT WHY DO I NEED TO POST WHERE I GO BUY MY PRODUCTS AND IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS YOUR LOSS NOT MINE. IF YOU MUST KNOW I DO HAVE A I HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE SIGN POSTED. I AND MY FAMILY LOVE LIVING IN HOWARD AND PLAN ON STAYING HERE FOR AWHILE. OOHHH!! I DO SHOP DOLLAR GENERAL........
Quote from: connie on September 02, 2014, 11:20:19 AM
Now I why no one likes getting on here anymore as well as me cough cough that would be Connie Avalos Owner of Sweet&Spicy in Howard,Ks. It has been brought up to my attention that my name was brought up on here by who ever JANE May be about the Dollar General talk if You or Anyone else want to know anything about this MATTER then you need to go to the source or whom you think might be involved instead of accusing that I am pushing for Dollar General to come here and if you must know I SUPPORT OUR LOCAL FAMILY MARKET AND APPRECIATE JULIE PERKINS, BUY GAS AT P&J'S when I NEED TO, IF YOU MUST KNOW WHERE I GO TO SHOP FOR MY BUSINESS IT CAN' T ALL BE BOUGHT LOCAL BUT WHY DO I NEED TO POST WHERE I GO BUY MY PRODUCTS AND IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT OUR BUSINESS YOUR LOSS NOT MINE. IF YOU MUST KNOW I DO HAVE A I HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE SERVICE TO ANYONE SIGN POSTED. I AND MY FAMILY LOVE LIVING IN HOWARD AND PLAN ON STAYING HERE FOR AWHILE. OOHHH!! I DO SHOP DOLLAR GENERAL........
That is just terrible of people to claim things about you that they don't know or understand.
I do believe you have done a good job setting them straight.
I feel the same as you and I also support our local merchants.
I don't get to Howard very often but when I have, I have enjoyed eating at your Sweet and Spicy.
I have also enjoyed the service and atmosphere and attitudes at your restrauant.
Thanks for sounding off.
Well lookie there on page 20 of my monthly rag called Kansas Country Living, its Public Squares Communities. Wow!
Look Up there in the upper right hand corner of the article, it says and I quote:
"In addition to long-term community work. Public Squares facilitates short
–term projects that alter and strengthen organizations."
Them there are a lot of words, but what the hell are they talking about?
That bunch of words are about as clear as mud to me, sounds a lot like a used car salesman or snake oil salesman doesn't it? Where is the who, what, where, when and how's of these statements?
The second paragraph says and I quote again:
"Our primary product is grassroots, bottom-up mobilizing of the entire community that takes up to two years, and can continue indefinitely if the community chooses to sustain the process and host a peer review by four other communities every two years."
Now, in my opinion that is just another bunch of words that means gobble-de-gook. Where is the who, what, where, when and how's of these statements?
I mean bottom-up, give me a break! Here in Elk County it was the supposedly county elite and it appeared to be manipulating the lower class as dummies with telling them where they could sit and who they could sit with. And putting them in 25 circles of chairs wearing their little name tags with different colored kindergarten stars. How demeaning is that? We don't want you sitting with your wife, we don't want you sitting with your friend, we don't want you sitting with your neighbor. And if you don't play our game, we will, call the Sheriff. What kind of Community Conversation is that?
He also says in that paragraph, "host a peer review by four other communities every two years."
When has Elk Konnected ever hosted a peer review by four other communities and if they have where are the results?
What has Elk Konnected accomplished since April 2011?
Oh their web site http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/success-stories/ they list their "Success Stories" (and there is only 1 (one)), it is covered on page one of this thread. To me it still appears to be a disaster, just my opinion.
Oh and they started the Elk Konnected Communication Fitness Center in Howard, KS with Other Peoples Money and it failed, didn't it?
I seem to remember they were pushing a day care center at the old Moline Grade School. It's not there any longer, did it fail too?
Elk Konnected please tell us what you have successfully completed? Is there anything?
How do you maintain your accredation?
I see Elk Konnected changed up their Steering Committee listing. Now each member has a category – that's new.
Oh and adding a Konnected Kounty Kommissioner in the category of Government: County Commissioner Kenny Liebau that's new.
And under the Business category we find Liz Hendricks. Well of course she owns Public Squares Communities doesn't she?
And the Education Category, that would be Liz's brother-in-law and a West Elk, Elk Konnected School Board Member, right?
There ain't no conflict of interest in any of this is there?
Will the next County Commissioner get a position on the Steering Committee as well?
Who do you serve, the folks that elected you to the School Board and the County Commissioner Board or do you serve Elk Konnected? Or does it matter?
There are no blurred lines here. Check it out at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/steering-committee/ , go look for your self please.
Steering Committee
Business:
Liz Hendricks
Education:
Dr. Dave Whetstone
Government:
Jennifer Montgomery
Kenny Liebau
Human Services:
Tommie Barnaby
Now about that peer review, what could Elk Konnected tell four other peer communities that they have accomplished since 2011 so they could maintain their Accreditation? What?
Oh but wait a minute, who in their right mind would diss-allow Accreditation to Elk Konnected which is ran by the owner of Public Squares Communities?
Let's see what wikipedia says about Accreditation:
Accreditation is a process in which certification of competency, authority, or credibility is presented.
Organizations that issue credentials or certify third parties against official standards are themselves formally accredited by accreditation bodies (such as UKAS); hence they are sometimes known as "accredited certification bodies".[2] The accreditation process ensures that their certification practices are acceptable, typically meaning that they are competent to test and certify third parties, behave ethically and employ suitable quality assurance.
So who accredits Public Squares Communities?
This is all just so cornfusing ain't it?
Oh and discussing County Commissioners and Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, I heard yet another another rumor in Elk County.
Nope, I won't drop no names of who told me.
The rumor is that Kaminska who won the primary election has made it known that she wants to hire another Elk County Economic Development Employee for $40,000 a year? Got news for ya it doesn't stop at $40,000 ya gotta add in a lot of other costs added to such a position. But why waste the money? I'd like to know why? The county has had a couple of Economic Development Employees and never received anythng for the money, so why? It's just a rumor for now, but will it come true and waste thousands of dollars? Will we have two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners, once again controlling the county's purse strings? I guess we will have to wait and see, won't we?
Oh, what a tangled web we weave or not or maybe?
Who knows? Lot's of questions go unanswered don't they? LOL
Really it's not funny!
Where is the transparency?
Where is the line?
Now remember this is just me voicing m opinion and asking what I consider to be legitimate questions.
You of course don't have to take any of this to heart.
I hope every one has a great weekend.
Quote from: ROSS on September 11, 2014, 01:00:55 PM
What do you think you know about the Federal Government and Bill Gates Common Core.
I thought I knew enough, I thought it sounded wrong from everything I had read.
And yes in my opinion that is enough to raise questions.
BUT. I am reading a book about Common Core that is terrifying. The book is entitled "The Cult of Common Core"
by Brad McQueen. This is far more than wrong.
Do you have children or grand children in school, if so this is a must read.
It is worse than a horror story.
The book is available in print or digital download at Amazon.com
and I bet at other places on the internet.
Common Core = Rotten Control = Complete Control
This is something I just read, separate from the book, "It also is a source if indoctrination of progressive and communist principles."
So, I'm wondering why our
West Elk Konnected School Board Members are not discussing this topic at their meetings? Perhaps because it is easier to ignore a problem than to address it. Do they simply lead by following from behind like Obama?
What is West Elks School Boards Stand on Obama Common Core?
Do they care even a smidgen about Education or is it just Sports that interest them?
Oh let's not forget an interest i all the goodies on the table.
That sure looked like a very rich chocolate piece of cake on the table for eveyone!
What's next filet mingnon?
If they don't have any answers perhaps they have some questions about Common Core?
And speaking of Konnected wouldn't this be a major Quality Of Life issue for Elk Konnected?
Just where is all that leadership in Elk County, don't they care about the children any longer?
Where are all the Konnected Followers, don't you care about your children or grand childrens educations,
and future generations of childrens educations?
Followers what is your stand on Common Core?
If no one follows, you are not a leader.
But if the socialists have 2 out of 3 on the County Commission, they're in control to enact their agenda.
And their agenda will include taking more of your money and the resources of the county to further their causes
by and thru government.
True leaders are great Followers and are capable of stepping up to the plate armed with the truth and transparency.
Thank you Warph for posting the story that contained this information.Quote from: Warph on September 23, 2014, 10:44:31 AM
Best Story Of The Day
For the last 6 years, we have listened to the race-baiting, income redistribution language of Barack Obama. We have heard the typical racial grievance artists Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and activist Attorney General Eric Holder place the finger of blame on the ills plaguing people, especially the black community, on others. Personal responsibility, under the Obama regime, has become something that is neither expected nor praised.
The welfare state has increased. Big government has gotten even bigger. There is a push, led by Obama, for an increased minimum wage to as much as $15 an hour, during a time, might I add, when he is cutting benefits, pay, and meals for our military.
In fact, in listening to Obama, he has led far too many Americans to believe that the system is rigged against them and they have 'never had a fair shot because others haven't given their fair share'. The overt Marxism in his language is astounding and has no place in America, let alone being uttered by an American president.
In his attempt to fundamentally transform America, Obama is leading the people down a path of complacency, bitterness, and envy. His hope and change mantra quickly morphed into gimme the change, as in cash, that I'm hoping for. It's a sad state in America right now with the defeatist attitude fed by Barack Obama and his minions.
http://www.tpnn.com/2014/09/22/high-school-football-player-shatters-progressive-division-tactics-in-less-than-two-minutes/#!
Doesn't this hopey/changy thingy
sound a bit familiar
on the local level?
My personal thoughts and opinion of Arrogant Ignorance of College Educated people has not been wrong, again in my personal opinion. Read these excerpt from an article on "STUPID". Highlights in bold blue are mine.
A Link for the complete article is at the bottom of the page.
Ignorant America: Just How Stupid Are We?
Millions of Americans are embarrassingly ill-informed and they do not care that they are.
July 1, 2008 |
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." -- Thomas Jefferson
Just how stupid are we? Pretty stupid, it would seem, when we come across headlines like this: "Homer Simpson, Yes -- 1st Amendment 'Doh,' Survey Finds" (Associated Press 3/1/06).
"About 1 in 4 Americans can name more than one of the five freedoms guaranteed by the First Amendment (freedom of speech, religion, press, assembly and petition for redress of grievances.) But more than half of Americans can name at least two members of the fictional cartoon family, according to a survey.
"The study by the new McCormick Tribune Freedom Museum found that 22 percent of Americans could name all five Simpson family members, compared with just 1 in 1,000 people who could name all five First Amendment freedoms."
Five defining characteristics of stupidity, it seems to me, are readily apparent. First, is sheer ignorance:
Ignorance of critical facts about important events in the news, and ignorance of how our
government functions and who's in charge. Second, is negligence: The disinclination to seek reliable sources of information about important news events. Third, is wooden-headedness, as the historian Barbara Tuchman defined it: The inclination to believe what we want to believe regardless of the facts. Fourth, is shortsightedness: The support of public policies that are mutually contradictory, or contrary to the country's long-term interests. Fifth, and finally, is a broad category I call bone-headedness, for want of a better name: The susceptibility to meaningless phrases, stereotypes, irrational biases, and simplistic diagnoses and solutions that play on our hopes and fears.
(The support of public policies that are mutually contradictory, or contrary to the county's long-term interests.)
(meaningless phrases= Quality of Life – un-defined)
(solutions that play on our hopes and fears. = the sky is falling = Are we to believe we can reverse the population decline with just words that have no substance.) Like
Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart, who confessed
not knowing how to define pornography, we are apt simply to throw up our hands in frustration and say: We know it when we see it. But unless we attempt a definition of some sort, we risk incoherence, dooming our investigation of stupidity from the outset. Stupidity cannot mean, as Humpty Dumpty would have it, whatever we say it means.
What Voters Don't KnowWho these poor souls were who didn't know who Martin Luther King was we cannot be sure. Research suggests that they were probably impoverished (the poor tend to know less on the whole about politics and history than others) or simply unschooled, categories which usually overlap. But even Americans in the middle class who attend college exhibit profound ignorance.
A report in 2007 published by the Intercollegiate Studies Institute found that on average 14,000 randomly selected college students at 50 schools around the country scored under 55 (out of 100) on a test that measured their knowledge of basic American civics. Less than half knew that Yorktown was the last battle of the American Revolution. Surprisingly, seniors often tested lower than freshmen.
(The explanation was apparently that many (college) students by their senior year had forgotten what they learned in high school.) (Which translates to the fact that a High School drop out could possess greater knowledge of current events and proper definition of words and phrases than a College Educated person.)
(Should we permit a worn out College Degree carry the weight to make fools of us?)
(Should we permit the worn out old phrase "I was Born and Raised here" be the main reason for voting someone in office)
If the problem were simply that Americans are bad at names, one would not have to worry too much. But they do not understand the mechanics of government either. Only 34% know that it is the Congress that declares war (which may explain why they are not alarmed when presidents take us into wars without explicit declarations of war from the legislature). Only 35% know that Congress can override a presidential veto. Some 49% think the president can suspend the Constitution. Some 60% believe that he can appoint judges to the federal courts without the approval of the Senate. Some 45% believe that revolutionary speech is punishable under the Constitution.
On the basis of their comprehensive approach, Delli Carpini and Keeter concluded that only 5% of Americans could correctly answer three-fourths of the questions asked about economics, only 11% of the questions about domestic issues, 14% of the questions about foreign affairs, and 10% of the questions about geography. The highest score? More Americans knew the correct answers to history questions than any other (which will come as a surprise to many history teachers). Still, only 25% knew the correct answers to three-quarters of the history questions, which were rudimentary.
(I asked a County Commissioner during A Board Meeting to define Economic Development, his simple answer was, "No, it is too complicated." So I ask why does the count need an Economic Development Employee if a County Commissioner doesn't understand it's function? Why is the recently vote in Couty Commissioner that ha not been seated, reportedly sayig she wants to hire yet another Economic Development Employee, when the County has no benefited from the two previous Economic Development Employees?)In 2003, the Strategic Task Force on Education Abroad investigated Americans' knowledge of world affairs. The task force concluded: "America's ignorance of the outside world" is so great as to constitute a threat to national security.
(In closing this is for you to decide for yourself, the opinions are mine alone. The article is only excerpts. You can read the whole article by clicking on the link directly below this statement. Thank you for indulging me.)
http://www.alternet.org/story/90161/ignorant_america%3A_just_how_stupid_are_we
New Written Correspondence Revealed Between Hillary Clinton and America-Hating Marxist Saul Alinsky
"When is that new book coming out–or has it come and I somehow missed the fulfillment of Revelation? I have just had my one-thousandth conversation about Reveille and need some new material to throw at people," wrote Hillary Clinton to the author Alinsky, who taught about overthrowing capitalism and replacing it with communism, teaching the amoral "ends justify the means" philosophy and destroying America's middle class.
Saul Alinsky, considered the "father of community organizing," i.e., rabble-rousing, or agitating, is literally worshiped by progressive leftist communists and socialists, devoted his life to organizing a revolution against the American system he believed to be unfair and oppressive.
"I miss our biennial conversations," Clinton wrote Alinsky, indicating a much closer relationship with the fellow progressive Marxist than had been previously admitted. "Do you ever make it out to California? I am living in Berkeley and working in Oakland for the summer and would love to see you," she wrote Alinsky.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 27, 2014, 06:06:13 AM
Today, a great number of communities are actually run by NGO members as city and county governments are staffed by NGO members. They serve on local unelected boards and regional councils that the NGOs helped to create. Local representative government is slowly relinquishing its power to the NGOs.
Americans must begin to understand that the debate over environmental issues have very little to do with clean water and air and much more to do with the establishment of power. NGOs are gaining it, locally elected officials are losing it as the structure of American government changes to accommodate the private agendas of NGOs.
-Tom DeWeese
Read on:
http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom252.htm
This in my opinion is a must read, I believe it will help you undertand what is happening in Elk County.
Even though our school board spent a lot of money for advice and for surveys they just ignored all of it!
Try asking yourself, "Why ignore an expensive survey about building a larger school building at the cost of millions, when the survey clearly shows the voters don't want it? Why, spend thousands on an unnecessary vote when you already proved the outcome with a survey? The answer is easy ----
control.Why continue to push when you have been told
"NO"? It is the want and desire to
manipulate and control (in my opinion) --- that's why!
Couldn't that be the actions of some NGO that is perhaps involved in City Governments and County Government and School District Government? Isn't that a possiblity?
Shouldn't we want individuals in these elected positions that don't belong to NGO's, that don't do the bidding of the NGO's? Don't we need people that respect the voter's whishes?
Doesn't Elk County deserve better service from its elected officials?Please read the small article at: http://www.newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom252.htm and see and understand the big picture! It's all about a
covert action to
control, to dominate.
Just like Global Warming which was renamed Climate Change which came about because of a consensus (a vote)
not because of scientific proof. What is a consensus?
Con•sen•sus
Noun, often attributive \kən-ˈsen(t)-səs\
: a general agreement about something : an idea or
Opinion that is shared by all the people in a group
It may be a very small group of people
(3 to 10 people).It may be
50 or 75 people where the population may be
2000 people or more, otherwise a
very small fraction of those that it concerns.
Can you determine how easily a consensus
can be deceiving?
Doesn't a consensus just plain suck?
Amen!
Don't know what anyone would support an NGO like Elk Konnected or its principles. Shouldn't Americans oppose them and socialism?
Well doggie in todays newspaper front page, bad news for Howard and a call for help for money in the way of donations. The headline:Howard looks for ways
to keep its pool
Ring -Ring ---
Hello
Elk Konnected can you sit up some chairs in circles and get some
Kindergarten Stars and hold a
Konnected Kommunity Konversation for Howard? Perhaps 10 or 20 people might show up and you can get a concensus to help poor, poor Howard.
Wouldn't that be the decent thing for you to do? Unless you just don't like a real community in distress.
I have a suggestion for you, ask them folks that are making millions off the wind farm to attend the
Konnected Kommunity Konvrsation. You know the ones that own the land. Perhaps they can spare some ot that easy money and build you an inside swimming pool. Kool huh! A little alinsky and
"BAM" a brand new inside swimming pool.
Just a couple of thoughts and ideas for you
Elk Konnected.The call for help is on the frot page of this weeks paper, will it be
Elk Konnected to the rescue?
We will have to wait and see. Perhaps they are to busy to help out the little guy?
Perhaps they are working on their fiirst few County Commissioners when they
possibly regain control of the Elk County Government by having two out of three county commissioners that will perhaps do their bidding? That would be the controlling votes 2 out of 3.
We have to wait until next year to see what happens I guess. I've already heard there are plans to spend taxpayer money to hire another Economic Development Employee, full time no less. And I don't think there is any desire to explain why or how it would benefit all the taxpayers i Elk County. What and how are they gonna develop anything? These are the two questions that should be required to be answered before any hiring happens and answered in great detail. Don't you folks out there think you should have some answers?
i can't speak the other folks out there but my opinion is you are an idiot
Nancy you are right on.
Since Elk County's only pool is in need of help I hope we all can help to keep it open. That is what is important.
Gee! Some Conversation
Quote from: Nancy on October 01, 2014, 04:24:55 PM
i can't speak the other folks out there but my opinion is you are an idiot
Why thank you Nancy for your considered recognition.
Sorry to dissapoint you, I ain't no idiot!
I may be a redneck!
I am a taxpayer!
I am a registered voter!
I am politically incorrect! (intentionally)
I may be crazy --- but I ain't insane!
I am high on life but I ain't high on drugs.
But I ain't no idiot!
I think you may have me confused with them arrogant ignorant college degree type folks.
LOL.
I was being satirical and it appears to have worked !
Do you feel perhaps that
Elk Konnected is just a put on and incapable of accomplishing anything?
I mean, I was only Suggesting
Elk Konnected spin their magic and help Howard with their pool program.
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Quote from: frawin on October 01, 2014, 05:00:53 PM
Nancy you are right on.
A very dynamic response there frawin.
A lot of intellectual thought given here, thanks.
I guess you agree that my comment was satirical and perhaps you don't believe in
Elk Konnected's ability to help out a real community, is that right?
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Quote from: Nancy on October 01, 2014, 05:28:50 PM
Since Elk County's only pool is in need of help I hope we all can help to keep it open. That is what is important.
Now that is rich Nancy. A lot of intellectual thought went in to that there statement, didn't it?
Oh my, oh my!Shifting responsibility like that, really?
Because Howard did not plan financially for needed repairs and replacements it becomes the responsibility of all of Elk County, is that your line of thinking?
Perhaps, since I own the Only Ford pick-up in Elk County that is registered to me, perhaps everyone in Elk County should be responsible for new tires for it when needed? Because it is the only one in Elk County registered to me --- there are no other like it. LOL
No, I don't think so.
No, not everyone in Elk County uses the Howard Pool.
It is not the responsibility of those that pay to use the pool to pay for repairs and replacements. That is the
City of Howard's responsibility.Perhaps you don't believe in
Elk Konnected's ability to help out a real community, is that your line of thinking?
Thanks for the extremely humorous feed back.
Now it's your turn to call me another name and I sure hope you can do a better job this time.Good night.
My monthly rag from the power company,
"Kansas Country Living"
has yet another story from
"Elk Konnecteds"
mother organization
"Public Squares Communities".
Democracy at Risk?
On the side panel is the following remark:
"Building a strong community demands building consensus among individuals, versus dividing into angry factions." Let's look at the title of the Article first, okay?"
Democracy at Risk? What is Democracy?
Well according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary it is:
de•moc•ra•cy
noun \di-ˈmä-krə-sē\
: a form of government in which people choose leaders by voting
: a country ruled by democracy
: an organization or situation in which everyone is treated equally and has equal rights
It is clearly not an
Non Governmental Organization?Just who is a
Non Governmental Organization to tell us how to decide, who we vote for?
Aren't those individual personal decisions?
Just who is
Liz Sosa to preach
civility in politics to the masses or civility period?
She states:"Building a strong community-whether in our neighborhood, Topeka or Washington – demands building consensus among individuals, versus dividing into angry factions. It requires careful connecting of various perspectives. In other words, we are tasked with aligning our personal values with public decisions that serve the community as a whole." Now folks that is a whole lot to digest and make sense of, isn't it?
Take this part for instance,
"demands building consensus among individuals, versus dividing into angry factions." Who says the division has to be angry, why can it not be simply agreed upon to amicably disagree with out anger? Just why does
Liz Sosa believe it has to be filled with anger? She says in her story that her friend disagrees with her on politics and they have agreed to disagree. Why can't
Liz Sosa simply align her personal values with her friends personal values, then they would not have to agree to disagree? Why doesn't
Liz Sosa listen to her own advice?
Where is the positive attitude in saying such negative stuff?
There is that word
consensus again? Do these people that run
NGO's really understand the meaning of the word?
"demands building consensus among individuals". Who or what "DEMANDS"?Well according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary a consensus is:
con•sen•sus
noun, often attributive \kən-ˈsen(t)-səs\
: a general agreement about something : an idea or opinion that is shared by all the people in a group.
Is it an uneducated use of the term consensus or is this done to confuse and manipulate?
Just how does the word relate here,
"demands building consensus among individuals", the definition says group not individual. This is the same thing that happens with the word community it is used in my opinion to manipulate and control.
And her remarks about
civility are very disturbing to me, it is being used in my opinion once again to manipulate and mislead. Even the State School Board approves of heated conversations at local school board meetings.
Are heated conversations always civil? Not hardly!
Merriam-Webster Dictionary says:
ci•vil•i•ty
noun \sə-ˈvi-lə-tē\
: polite, reasonable, and respectful behavior
Another thing about civility, I had to deal with Child Protective Services in Washington State for 1 ½ years to get my nephew out of their filthy, lying clutches. Child Protective Service here in Kansas is referred to as SRS. Was I angry --- you bet! Did I remain civil, it was very tough -- but I did remain civil 90% of the time. Were they civil, well yes 90% of the time – they are trained to be civil at all times while lying and back stabbing a family. Is this true civility?
NO it is not!CPS decided they could no longer deal with my methods --- my methods were political with e-mails and phone calls to every state representative, congressmen and the Governor, these e-mails and phone calls went from Seattle to Tacoma to Olympia, I covered all the bases, well CPS hired a private firm to cover our case. They sent a lady out to meet with us and when she returned to the office she was asked if we were the ugly people they told her we were. She said definitely not. Just where was the civility on CPS Part? Speaking soft and sweetly is not necessarily being civil, it may only be a way of hiding the true ugliness. The CPS tried to cause problems for this lady, it did not work, they failed.
Is it respectful to manipulate and to lie to people while speaking sweet and softly and smiling, is that being respectful as in civil?
NO !Let's move down the article a little ways see what else she says:"Further more, we live in a democracy which means the decision is ultimately yours and mine!
The lack of civic leaders - including people who have been local community leaders before being elevated to state and federal office – was a primary driver in creating Public Squares Communities 10 years ago. We believe people with deep community roots bring a greater sense of "the common good" to state and federal government."Let's look at that first five words shall we !
"The lack of civic leaders". Doesn't
Public Squares Communities and
Elk Konnected recognize the democracy of Elk County? Don't they recognize the voters (consensus of the Elk County public) chosen civic leaders?
I'd tend to agree to a lack of good leadership, leadership that does not have the
"common good" in mind when they worked for their own good. Yes, I'm referring to, when
Elk Konnected had the
two controlling votes of the Elk County Commissioners Board and voted to give tax payer dollars to
Elk Konnected. This just blows part of her second sentence of that paragraph out of the water, doesn't it?
"deep community roots bring a greater sense of "the common good"" Oh, they can believe what they want, but we don't have to believe such B.S. do we?
It is my personal political opinion that Elk County is headed back to those unfaithful days when
Elk Konnected regains
two controlling seats on the Elk County Commissioners Board.
Where will the loyalties lie er lay then?
If the word doesn't get out there to write in on the ballot
Mr. Doug Ritz for
District 1 County Commissioner everything he and Mr. Hebb have worked to accomplish will simply be unraveled. And most likely property taxes will once again increase. Something to think about folks. Only you folks in District 1 can stop it. Show the
NGO you can think for yourself and write-in:
Doug Ritz
for
District 1 County Commissioner.
I simply ask, why do people even listen to the likes of
Public Squares Communities and Elk Konnected, why?Do people really need organizations to tell them how to live, how to vote, how to think? NO they don't, do they?
I know, I was
sucked in by all their glorious talk at the beginning of the first
Konnected Kommunity Konversation, I attended in Longton. But it did not take long to wise up to them. And when, I tried to have a
civil talk with the man during a
Konnected Kommunity Konversation in Moline and ask some questions,
he called for the Sheriff. Where was the
civility on his part ?
You see they talk the talk but they don't walk the walk, do they?
In fact I'll be so bold as to say they create Conflicting Opinions and take sides, there is nothing different between this
NGO's opinion and an individuals opinion. EXCEPT, those operating the
NGO are most likely making a good income off of your tax dollars.
Just review this thread, with
Public Squares Communities and
Elk Konnected and
civilityin mind.
Yes, I'm guilty too! Doug Ritz
for
District 1
County Commissioner.
Just my personal thoughts and opinions. I hope you make your own opinions, and when you vote, vote your own decision, not the decision of a visitor from an
NGO.I wish everyone a great weekend.
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A timely reminder before our generous spirits open up our
Wallets... The holidays gift giving season is about to decend upon us.
THINK BEFORE YOU DONATE! SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT BEFORE YOU MAKE CONTRIBUTIONS: As you open your pockets to do a good thing and make yourself
Feel good, please keep the following in
Mind:
The
American Red CrossPresident and CEO Marsha J.
Evans'
Salary for the year was $651,957
Plus expenses
MARCH OF
DIMESIt is called the March of
Dimes because
Only a dime for
Every 1 dollar is given to the
Needy.
The
United WayPresident Brian
Gallagher
Receives a $375,000 base salary
Along with numerous expense benefits.
UNICEFCEO Caryl M. Stern
Receives
$1,200,000 per year (100k
Per month) plus all expenses including a ROLLS
ROYCE.
Less than 5
Cents of your donated dollar goes to the
Cause.
GOODWILL CEO and owner Mark Curran
Profits $2.3 million a year.
Goodwill is a
Very catchy name for his business.
You donate to his business
And then he sells the items for
PROFIT.
He pays nothing
For his products and pays his workers minimum wage!
Nice Guy.
$0.00 goes to
Help anyone!
Stop giving to this
Man.
Elk Konnected, LLCSelf Proclaimed Founder Liz Hendricks
Receives
?????
????? per year and possibly maybe plus all expenses
????? ????? no disclosure of your donated dollar goes to Unclear
Cause.
Steering Committee
Business:
•Liz Hendricks salary
????? no disclosureEducation:
•Dr. Dave Whetstone salary
????? no disclosureGovernment:
•Jennifer Montgomery salary
????? no disclosure•Kenny Liebau salary
????? no disclosureHuman Services: salary
????? no disclosure•Tommie Barnaby salary
????? no disclosure Instead, give it to ANY OF THE
FOLLOWING
GO "GREEN" AND
PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE IT WILL DO SOME GOOD: The
Salvation ArmyCommissioner, Todd Bassett
Receives a small salary of only
$13,000 per year(plus housing) for
Managing this $2 billion dollar
Organization.
96 percent of donated dollars go
To the cause.
The
American LegionNational Commander receives
A $0.00 zero
Salary.
Your donations go to help
Veterans and their families and youth! The
Veterans of Foreign Wars
National Commander receives
A $0.00 zero
Salary.
Your donations go to help
Veterans and their families and youth!
The
Disabled American VeteransNational Commander receives
A $0.00 zero
Salary.
Your donations go to help
Veterans and their families and youth! The
Military Order of PurpleHearts
National Commander receives a
$0.00 zero salary.
Your donations go to help
Veterans and their families and youth!
The
Vietnam Veterans AssociationNational Commander receives
A $0.00 zero
Salary.
Your donations go to help
Veterans and their families and youth! Make a
Wish: For children's last
Wishes.
100% goes to funding trips or
Special wishes for a dying child.
St. Jude
Research Hospital100% goes towards funding and
Helping Children with Cancer who have no insurance and
Cannot afford to pay. Ronald
McDonald Houses
All monies go to running
The houses for parents who have critically ill
Children in the hospital.
100% goes to housing, and feeding
The families.
Lions
Club International100% OF DONATIONS GO TO HELP THE
BLIND, BUY HEARING AIDES, SUPPORT MEDICAL MISSIONS
AROUND THE WORLD. THEIR LATEST
UNDERTAKING
IS MEASLES VACCINATIONS
(ONLY $1.00 PER SHOT).
Please Remember to
Keep Elk County Healthy
Write-in
Doug Ritz
for
District 1
County Commissioner.
Just my personal thoughts and opinions. I hope you make your own opinions, and when you vote, vote your own decision, not the decision of a visitor from an
NGO.
I have to correct you, Ross, on one statement. The folks who own the land do not get millions, only lease payments for each tower and the ground on which the operations building and switching and substation are located. Of course, Jim Perkins has the lion's share of that, but it is far from amounting to millions. Carry on.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 16, 2014, 02:09:12 PM
I have to correct you, Ross, on one statement. The folks who own the land do not get millions, only lease payments for each tower and the ground on which the operations building and switching and substation are located. Of course, Jim Perkins has the lion's share of that, but it is far from amounting to millions. Carry on.
Thank you for that correction Bullwinkle.
It is much appreciated.
I find it amazing how easily our individualism can be maniulated by a group of people who are manipulated by a couple of people, bent on control of everyone. Boy now that really is a mouthful for me. Moving to the reason for that mouthful:
In earlier posts on this thread some people have addressed the fact that they felt that Saul Alinsky's methods have been used in our county. Well i have ran across some interesting inormation on this subject I'd like to share with you.
First a recent statement that I found interesting:"Communist Radicals" Marxist without the red flag. Who would replace democracy with their own tyranny! Obama and Clinton speak of "Change" is directly from Saul Alinsky! The trick was to penetrate existing institutions such as churches unions and political parties. Biographer Sanford Horowitz writes that President Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign was influenced by Alinsky's teachings. Obama worked for Alinsky organizations and taught seminars in Alinsky tactics and mythology during his community organizing period In Chicago.
New English Review/D.L. Adams
Second:Saul Alinsky's 12 Rules for Radicals
Here is the complete list from Alinsky.
* RULE 1: "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have." Power is derived from 2 main sources –
money and
people. "Have-Nots" must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with
economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: "Never go outside the expertise of your people." It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don't address the "real" issues. This is why. They
avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the
enemy." Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 4: "Make the
enemy live up to its own book of rules." If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (
This is a serious rule. The besieged entity's very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
* RULE 5: "
Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." There is no defense. It's irrational. It's infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
* RULE 6: "A good tactic is one your people enjoy." They'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They're doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid "un-fun" activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
* RULE 7: "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag." Don't become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
* RULE 8: "Keep the pressure on. Never let up." Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
* RULE 9: "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself." Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists' minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
* RULE 10: "If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive." Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management's wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
* RULE 11: "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative." Never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to
hold a place at the table, to be given a forum
to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy.
Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
Write in
Doug Ritz
for
Elk County Commissioner
Keep Elk County Healthy
We are counting on you folks in District 1 to do the right thing for Elk County.
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Ask all your Konnected friends to vote for the
Best Person in
Elk County for
District 1 County Commissioner ----
Ask them not to be Sheeples and Followers!
This is very important decision for
you to make
Concerning the Health of Elk County.
Make your vote worth while.
Ask your friendsand neighbors
to Write In
Doug Ritz
To keep
Elk County, Kansas
Healthy
The other two county districts are counting on you.
Remind everyone what it was like when
Elk Konnected had control with two members on the Commissioners Board. Tell the voters how they were being
raped of their tax dollars,
Why don't you mind the readers how your friends wanted to turn Elk County into a socialist state?
Perhaps this will help you remember:
A really big idea isn't it, "do away with city gov't, councils" do away with self government --- a simply amazingly stupid idea, right????
Here is the link where this is posted:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html
Keep Elk County Healthy
Write-In
Doug Ritz
For Being An
Excellent
County Commissioner
And Continue to
Keep Elk County Healthy
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Remember what a RINO is?
A democrat disguised as a Republican, Right?
I think this picture might explain the difference between Mr. Ritz ad Ms. Kaminska.
Mr. Ritz has put money back in our pockets via lower property taxes while Ms. Kaminska has already stated she wnats to take it away from s and hire a new county Employee as an Economic Development Employee.
Which has been proven to be an effort in failure by having had other Economic Development Employee that failed to accomplish anything.
The West Elk School District has increased our property tax and I believe the majority of the School Board Members are
Elk Konnected,
go figure! That needs to be changed in April, doesn't it?So this picture sort of illustrates a similar attitude in my opinion.
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Quote from: Gadsden1775 on November 04, 2014, 11:10:33 PM
Yes, the results are unofficial but it looks like District 1 lost big time, Ms. Liebau. At least for the next four years. In 2 more years, we will be helping out District 3 with their campaigning and unseating.
Elk County lost big time, Gadsen. It's a sad day for Elk County in my opinion.
We lose a very good and honest man and very good and honest County Commissioner, Doug Ritz.
And I do believe we gain another
Elk Konnected Kontrolled Kounty Kommissioner's Board.
Only time will tell the truth.Many Thanks to Doug Ritz for all he has done for Elk County
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Perfect.
A little predicting for 2015 if I may:
And I sincerely hope, I am very wrong.
#1 After the first of the year our new
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board
will be voting to hire a 40, 000.00 dollars,plus benefits
Konnected Economic Development Employee even though they have no idea what Economic Development entails. Except to know they are spending the Elk County Taxpayers money. That's your money and my money to accomplish absolutly nothing and with no plan to accomplish anything.
#2 I expect the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to spend more of your money and my money for a completely seperate govrnment. That being the City Government of Howard to repair their city pool. To bail out a City Government that did not practice good business practices. By that I mean they should have been setting aside a few dollars every month since 1963 (or whatever year they built their swimming pool) for repairs and maintenance. If they had practiced good business sense they would not be having any trouble fixing their swimming pool, now would they?
#3 I do not expect to see
5 new industries in Longton as promised at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum.
#4 Last but not least, I expect to see our
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners approached by
Elk Konnected for dues or payment or what ever they call it as membership fees to
Elk Konnected. But no big Deal is it? It's just maybe 2 or 3 thousand dollars of your money, your tax dollars. But I bet it happens, all you have to do is read
Elk Konnected's and
Public Squares Communities web sites. Oops, I don't think that information is available any longer. So forget that.
I'd like to see some other predictions other people expect to see happen, after we lose Mr. Ritz as County Commissioner.
Will you be watching?
Watching the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners next year?
Just some of my thoughts and opinions.
I truely wish, that I may be very wrong.
I hope that your forecast is wrong too. However, it all points to furthering of the socialist agenda and the Republicans' history is one of socialism by and thru welfare and warfare.
Men like Doug Ritz will not find a home in the Republican Party - they never have and they never will. The socialists' urge of Republicans always reasserts itself and we've seen it time and time again. Conservatism has never been an lasting attribute of the Republican Party.
The liberals are in control whether they be for Obama or be the Republicans. We're outnumbered but we should stay right in there.
I bet they try to legalize marijuana in Kansas now.
It's not about what is legal or illegal.
It's not about what is moral or not.
It's not about intelligent business practices
It' about taxation and liberal spending.
Officials: Kansas Faces $279M
Budget Gap By July
AP | By JOHN HANNA
Updated: 11/12/2014 12:59 am EST
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TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas will face a $279 million budget shortfall by July, far worse than state officials had thought before a new revenue forecast Monday that will force Gov. Sam Brownback and legislators to consider spending cuts.
The state will also be required to close an even bigger additional gap — $436 million — during the following 12 months, according to the new forecast.
Aides to the Republican governor, who narrowly won re-election last week, said his administration will work in the next weeks to find savings while trying to protect funding for schools and core programs. But a Democratic leader called the new projections "devastating."
Read more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/12/kansas-budget-gap_n_6143172.html
Do you recognize anything of this nature happening in Elk County?
What's right? What's wrong?
Is it about what is legal or illegal?
Is it about what is moral or not?
Is it about intelligent business practices?
Or is it simply about taxation and liberal spending?
I was informed yesterday that Dollar General will not be coming to Howard. Cian anyone verify or dispute this latest information I have recieved?
Now I still don't know if Dollar General would have been a good thing or not in Elk County and now we may never know.
I was told Dollar General asked Howard to provide water and sewer for their store and were told by the city they would annex them into the city limits and provide those services. So it turned out to be a, no deal for Dollar General. True or False?
I can understand, Howard is too poor to provide services without taxation, after all Howard is out begging for donations to repair their city pool, which they never budgeted for repairs, which was a bad business decision, right?
I wonder, why Howard doesn't annex the rather large business barn that was recently built across the highway? It looks to me to be a commercial business even though it may be for use by a single farm. I wonder how Elk Konnected might fit into that protection from annexation? That businees has the convience of Howard's very close proximity and quick access to the Howard Police Constable (or what ever they call it) and quick access from the Howard Fire Department don't they?
There should be in my opinion, lots of questions from Howard residents who's property taxes keep raising while other's continue to slide-by without contributing to their tax base.
What's right? What's wrong?
What is fair to the property tax payers in Howard?
What is not fair to the property tax payers in Howard?
Isn't it your city government that is suppose to work for you?
Or is it you work for your city government?
I really believe my earlier predictions for County Government will most likely come true and there will be many bad business judgements made and they will be frequent. Just my opinion.
Did you believe the lie, that a write in for Elk County Commissioner was illegal and would not be counted? Was this story told to you by some prominent or elite citizen or group?
Will you continue to listen to such people?
Perhaps, it is time to question your local governments, things might improve, please consider that?
Show up to these public meetings, the meetings are supported by your taxdollars and doesn't cost you anything to attend. But it may pay you to attend and pay attention to what is happening. It is your responsibility not to let local government run amok. Don't be intimadated!
I was told many, many years ago that the only dumb question is the un-asked question.
Those that want to control rather than serve, do not like questions and work dilligently to ignore them.
Do we have servants of the people in our local Governments or power hungry, control freaks?
One more thing I was told yesterday; " Moline has the best city government for planning and maintaining their community,than any other community in Elk County." Now at is a heck of a compliment, isn't it?
I am not at liberty to divulge the name of the party that told me this, so sorry.
Well doggie, there is lots of stuff flying all around Elk County these days. I'll try to get to something else later, but right now lets talk about, all the intellectual business men and their work as School Board Members.
I attended the West Elk USD-282 School Board Meeting on Monday of this week.
Nothing has really changed, it is still a poorly ran meeting, it lacks any notion of professionalism. They are suppose to be using Roberts Rules of Order, I don't think they even comprehend Roberts Rules of Order.
At the opening of the meeting, the Board President for some reason thanked the teachers and the student's for the table full goodies. I am now inclined to wonder why at this meeting. If these goodies are provided by teachers and students, why haven't other teacher and students been thanked at other meetings? What kind of smoke screen is this?
But more importantly why are elected officials accepting gratuity from teachers and students?
In case you didn't know students are at the meeting to observe and learn how meetings are held and what happens at these meetings. They receive credit for attending and I sure hope their teacher explains that a public meeting should operate much more professionally than this board does. Or she or he is not teaching.
The Auditor of the Budget for West Elk showed up and presented the audit during the open public meeting along with extra papers stapled together and a single paper. I felt his presentation sounded a little funny, so I went to the district office and submitted a Freedom of Information Act form requesting copies of the Auditors Report and the papers presented with it.
I asked them to call me when my copies were ready and I patiently waited until today, when I had to go to Howard to Batson's to shop for a few groceries. I figured since, I was driving right by the district office I'd stop by and pick up my copy.
No real surprise ---- it was not available.
Why you might ask, so did I ?
I was told Paula was waiting for a decision. I asked what decision?
I was then told that one of the papers provided during the open meeting was marked for the School Board only. I informed the delightful lady at the front desk that all of it is public information, since it was provided at an open meeting. I politely asked her to inform Paula, that if I don't receive the public information requested I would go to the state with that fact.
Think about it folks since when is tax payers business private or secret?
Since when is there secrecy about the School District Budget Audit?
The only thing in a public, taxpayer funded school district that is confidential is disciplinary actions except those that are reported to law enforcement and if an arrest is made, it then becomes public information, doesn't it?
So what do you suppose they are trying to hide?
Remember, when I requested the salary of all employees including overtime and summer pay? Did I they provide that information? No! No overtime, no summer pay! Are they not intelligent enough to read the Freedom of Information form? Or are they hiding something?
I'm certain they know, I will post the audit and extra information for everyone to read and maybe they Don't want you to read the financial information concerning where your tax dollars go. Which you have every right to know!
A public school district should have total transparency with the only exception being disciplinary action.
Just give that some thought for a few minutes please?
Do we have a secret society in Elk County? LOL
Well where to start?
From the Elk Couty Rumor Mill?
From the Elk County Underground?
Oh heck I'll just ask a few questions about what I have heard and seen, okay?
Several years ago the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners hired a gal who seemed to appear out of no where, with a college degree in something and made her the
Konnected Kounty Youth Development and the
Konnected Kounty Economic Development Employee, that's the way I saw it. Ms. Montgomery was all that, as far as the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners were concerned. When I asked at those Konnected Kommissioners meeting what she was accomplishing in Economic Development I never received a respectable answer. One answer was that she was working secretly with someone that did not want to be known. Our county employees the ones that accept our money as pay are not authorized to keep secrets from us, are they? Are they permitted to keep secrets about county business from the elected officials? If so? By what authority? It is my opinion that was an excuse to cover up the fact that there was nothing being accomplished. And that is now backed up by literally no change in Elk County economically. No new industries, no new abundance of jobs, absolutely nothing but a waste of Taxpayers money. Of course if someone can show me otherwise, I'll eat crow.
Also I never saw where there was a single solitary thing accomplished for the County government that had anything to do with Youth Development. I do believe she was working for
Elk Konnected, on Elk County time and pay, but where do you get Youth Development out of showing a movie on a TV set at the library or handing out the cheapest toys bought in bulk, that were not of enough value to throw away?
Well moving on when
Kontrol of the County Commissioners was wrested away from Elk Konnected, the position of Konnected Economic Development was abolished.
Elk Konnected, people showed up at the County Commissioners crying about it at no avail. They got down right ugly with some of their remarks in my personal opinion. Anyway the
Konnected Employee decided to quit as
Konnected Kounty Youth Development Employee. That was when the e-mails between her and the newspaper editor became available on her county owned cell phone and we discovered what the man and
Elk Konnected really thought of Elk County citizens, remember that?
Didn't she go to work for West Elk USD 282 for a short period of time as Coach for the Cheer Leaders? And isn't it true she was asked to quit or be fired? And is it possible the very same situation happened with her mentor from
Elk Konnected?She then somehow managed to get hired by the city of Howard. Now I'd like to ask if anyone knows if
Elk Konnected had anything to do with that hiring? Then, I heard she is placed in the Admistrative position of the nursing home at a salary of $60 grand a year and receiving training to perform those duties. Then I was told the trainer was being paid more than she was. I would tend to believe that $60 grand a year would possibly be pay commensurate with a seasoned Administrator in a major nursing home but not a novice employee. But never mind the training expense, it was said she was suppose to repay that according to their agreement.
But wait a minute there was no written agreement, no contract, I was informed. Could any of this be true?
Then I was informed she quit and that her last day was either Thursday or Friday and that she was leaving Elk County and going back home. Will she repay the taxpayers of Howard for her training? Just asking?
I don't know if a word of this Howard hiring is true or not so I am asking you readers to offer your input and inform the taxpayers of the truth as you know it?
Are we once again going to have the same kind of stuff re-occur with-in another
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board after the first of the year?
Isn't time to wake up and speak up and start attending Elk County Commissioners Meetings?
I sure hope some of you taxpayers join me and other concerned citizens at County Commissioners Meetings after the first of the Year.
Reminice for a few years and let every one know what you know. Let's share the knowledge, Okay?
Are we better off as a County or not?
Are we better off as a County or not?
Nope, you're just being strung along with the Obamamites and the Republicans.
Republican socialism dominates and rules in Elk County.
Redcliff people like you are partially responsible for getting Obama elected. Your idiot kind told everybody not to vote for the republican candidate. If you call President Eisenhower a liberal , a lot of people will. be hunting you down.
Quote from: frawin on November 16, 2014, 07:53:32 AM
Redcliff people like you are partially responsible for getting Obama elected. Your idiot kind told everybody not to vote for the republican candidate. If you call President Eisenhower a liberal , a lot of people will. be hunting you down.
Wow Frawin, it looks like Redcliff really hit a nerve by using his constitutional and God given rights to voice his opinions. THERE MUST be some truth to what he says to upset an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER, so terribly much.
Otherwise such a despicable personal attack would be unnecessary wouldn't it.
Haven't you ever heard the term "RINO"...
I am so sorry to see you so disturbed and not believing in "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" and going to such extremes as for suggest a lot of people will be hunting him down.That is a terrible way of bullying in my opinion. However the bullying by Followers has established it's self through out this thread, Hasn't it?
Censorship is what you are all about in my opinion. Keep on trying and good luck in your endeavor.
Frawin what do you think of my predictions for Elk County in 2015, they are right on aren't they?
Frawin what do you suppose West Elk USD 282 is trying to hide by with holding public information requested
Under the Freedom Of Information Act concerning the Schools financial audit?
I noticed Mr Frawin that you had no defense of any of my other posting about our ex-county employee and her Konnections and I wonder why !
Have yourself a beautiful snow day.
Lets see. outside of trey gowdy, i don't see where the republicans and demorats are any different these days. even rand paul has sold out and he's supposed to be libertarian/republican.
We shall see though, they can't repeal obamacare since they don't have the senate to override a presidential veto, nor do they have the numbers to impeach. But we do have the power to defund. They've had that chance since obumercares been implemented. whether or not the republicans will do so remains to be seen. I think though they have sold out on that one.
Quote from: frawin on November 16, 2014, 07:53:32 AM
Redcliff people like you are partially responsible for getting Obama elected. Your idiot kind told everybody not to vote for the republican candidate. If you call President Eisenhower a liberal , a lot of people will. be hunting you down.
Frawin, there you again. You act as though you stand against Obama, yet your Republican Party is in cahoots with him. Your local Elk County views are in line with Obama and the Republicans.
Eisenhower did have a portrait of General Robert E. Lee in the Whitehouse even if he did not understand General Lee or the founding fathers for that matter. Eisenhower turned against the Americans when he sent U. S. troops to Little Rock. Apparently he believed that the States are Federal owned and were to be disciplined by Washington DC. Why would you or he think any differently about that? You're both of the same heritage - Republican.
I guess your kind can hunt me down all they want - it makes no difference to me - your kind of people are liberal and socialist. You seem to know and support those in Elk County who are like you. I know some of 'em myself, however I will not favor them and I refuse to support their socialist agendas and ways. Elk County needs more good people, not those attracted by socialist agendas to promote socialist agendas.
Redcliff do you live in Elk Cpunty
Nancy,
With a simple"yes or no" question like that it will be
interesting to see his answer.
lol
Quote from: Nancy on November 17, 2014, 02:01:28 PM
Redcliff do you live in Elk Cpunty
Quote from: ddurbin on November 17, 2014, 04:09:34 PM
Nancy,
With a simple"yes or no" question like that it will be
Interesting to see his answer.
Quote from: Nancy on November 17, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
Lol
You guys are so funny, I love it.
Does where someone live have anything to do with freedom of speech or the od given right to say ones peace.
How sweet it is!
When someone from Montgomery county came on here blatantly lying about Commissioner Ritz I didn't read about either of you questioning him/her it. Why was that? Do lies from a candidates family qualify as acceptable?
Ya'all are terrific, pat yer selves on the back.
Did you hear about this County Commissioners Board?
Entire county board arrested
following citizens arrest
by 2
military veterans
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Clark County, Illinois — Sometimes citizens can be so frustrated with county board members they wish someone could just place them under arrest. Well, that is exactly what citizens in Clark County, Illinois did .
Illinois' number one manufactured product is corruption. More than 95 percent of the Illinois legislature is safe in gerrymandered districts. The incumbent governor has three current federal investigations of his administration, but the Attorney General/state's attorney class can't find public vice anywhere.
Residents that voted in the recent election said they are hoping officials have learned from the past mistakes of others.
So what can the law abiding citizen do? The answer is coming from some regular guys in southern Illinois who decided to hold public officials accountable. They call themselves the "Watchdogs."
Kirk Allen and John Kraft — two military veterans — live in Edgar County which just might be the most corrupt county in the country. For a couple of watchdogs, it's a target rich environment.
In an effort to take back their government from self-serving politicians and bureaucrats, Kraft and Allen established a group called the Edgar County Watchdogs. Through a combination of public pressure, Freedom of Information filings, lawsuits, and media exposure, they have created a system that deeply threatens Illinois' corrupt, entrenched political establishment. They operate a blog called Illinois Leaks that exposes corruption at the state and local levels. The blog is so popular that, it is trusted more than the local paper.
Considering the fact that, according to Forbes, their home county's government has racked up over $79 million in debt all on its own while serving only 18,000 residents, Kraft and Allen have their work cut out for them.
By relentlessly pursuing justice for even the smallest infractions by bureaucrats and politicians, the Edgar County Watchdogs have driven 102 public officials to resign from their posts, including 33 officials in Edgar County alone. The pair busted the mayor of Redmond for attempting to hold office while living out of town. They represented themselves in court and beat Illinois Assistant Attorney General Emma Steimel in a lawsuit seeking access to state e-mails. Officials who have resigned due to the Watchdogs' efforts include a property tax assessor, the Edgar County board chairman, an entire airport board and its manager, the attorney for Kansas Township's fire department, Shiloh's superintendent of schools, and Effingham's health department administrator, among others. After they exposed corrupt, illegal, and self-serving spending habits by the Ford-Iroquois County health department, the entire bureaucracy was dissolved. In some cases, federal agents have even stepped in to investigate and issue subpoenas to local officials after receiving tips from Kraft and Allen.
Read the rest of the story at:
http://www.ocalapost.com/entire-county-board-arrested-following-citizens-arrest-by-2-military-veterans/
Quote from: ROSS on November 14, 2014, 06:05:39 PM
The Auditor of the Budget for West Elk showed up and presented the audit during the open public meeting along with extra papers stapled together and a single paper. I felt his presentation sounded a little funny, so I went to the district office and submitted a Freedom of Information Act form requesting copies of the Auditors Report and the papers presented with it.
I asked them to call me when my copies were ready and I patiently waited until today, when I had to go to Howard to Batson's to shop for a few groceries. I figured since, I was driving right by the district office I'd stop by and pick up my copy.
No real surprise ---- it was not available.
Why you might ask, so did I ?
I was told Paula was waiting for a decision. I asked what decision?
I was then told that one of the papers provided during the open meeting was marked for the School Board only. I informed the delightful lady at the front desk that all of it is public information, since it was provided at an open meeting. I politely asked her to inform Paula, that if I don't receive the public information requested I would go to the state with that fact.
Think about it folks since when is tax payers business private or secret?
Since when is there secrecy about the School District Budget Audit?
The only thing in a public, taxpayer funded school district that is confidential is disciplinary actions except those that are reported to law enforcement and if an arrest is made, it then becomes public information, doesn't it?
So what do you suppose they are trying to hide?
Remember, when I requested the salary of all employees including overtime and summer pay? Did I they provide that information? No! No overtime, no summer pay! Are they not intelligent enough to read the Freedom of Information form? Or are they hiding something?
I'm certain they know, I will post the audit and extra information for everyone to read and maybe they Don't want you to read the financial information concerning where your tax dollars go. Which you have every right to know!
A public school district should have total transparency with the only exception being disciplinary action.
Just give that some thought for a few minutes please?
Do we have a secret society in Elk County? LOL
I just wanted to remind you where I am coming from, going into this post.
I finally received a copy of the 2013-2014 West Elk USD-282 Audit.
The big question for School management had to do with a statement on a few pages of letters that were not a part of the official but were given to the School Board during a public meeting which made them public information. Besides that what business does and auditor have to say how the audit of a public entity is to be used.
Their statement that caused all the consternation with management is as follow, you be the judge:
"This communication is intended solely for the information and use of management and the Board of Education, and is not intended to be, and should not be used by anyone other than these specified parties.
Busby Ford & Reimer, LLC
November 3, 2014 ".
Why is such a statement necessary on a taxpayer public entities Audit?
Can anyone explain this to me?
How about you people with all those college degrees , can you explain why taxpayers should be kept in the dark?
Now if you notice the statement does not stipulate tHat is can not be used for information to the taxpayers, is says
"should not" which is only a suggestion in my
unedumacted opinion. And that must be the opinion of school management because they sold me a copy for $10.50.
The school district office knows I make this information available to you folks and that is part of the reason for their flinching when I asked for it. The, auditor did say the audit is much more detailed than their budgets for what that is worth.
You may view the audit at https://app.box.com/s/nv226xjjex8i09jjh31h .
I haven't had time to look it over yet, I have been busier than a cat on a hot tin roof.
Happy Reading
AND MAY YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY TOMORROW.
Quote from: Nancy on November 17, 2014, 02:01:28 PM
Redcliff do you live in Elk Cpunty
No
By the way I have a question for you. Do you favor a tax increase by the Elk County Board of County Commissioners?
You don't know if there is going to be a tax increase in Elk county or not. You are like Ross you make up crap just to stir up trouble. I own property in Elk County and I will take a tax increase if it is necessary. Nancy knows a lot more about what goes on in Elk county than you do.
Quote from: frawin on November 18, 2014, 08:20:44 AM
You don't know if there is going to be a tax increase in Elk county or not. You are like Ross you make up crap just to stir up trouble. I own property in Elk County and I will take a tax increase if it is necessary. Nancy knows a lot more about what goes on in Elk county than you do.
What have I made up?
Can't answer that one can you?
Do you think maybe I made up the West Elk School District 2013-2014 audit?
Do you think that?
Or do you think some people nightly be interested in those facts?
Well' why doesn't Nancy tell us what she knows if she knows so much?
First I'd like to know is she an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER like her husband?
Or is she ashamed to admit it?
Let's hear from Nancy' Okay?
Ross you seem to think Elk Konnected is evil or is to be blamed for anything you disagree with. I am not ashamed of supporting the programs of any Elk county programs. I also agree with Frank we do not know if Elk County taxes will be raised.
Quote from: Nancy on November 18, 2014, 10:29:40 AM
Ross you seem to think Elk Konnected is evil or is to be blamed for anything you disagree with. I am not ashamed of supporting the programs of any Elk county programs. I also agree with Frank we do not know if Elk County taxes will be raised.
Nancy you seem to be a mind reader with a faulty antenna, because I have never said Elk Konnected is evil.
You avoided the question are you an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER?
You are saying if the KKK came to Elk County you would support them as an Elk County program, that's how I read your statement.
Why the politicians type of avoidance of a direct question and I repeat and quote:Quote from: ROSS on November 18, 2014, 09:01:42 AM
Well' why doesn't Nancy tell us what she knows if she knows so much?
First I'd like to know is she an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER like her husband?
Or is she ashamed to admit it?
Let's hear from Nancy' Okay?
Or is it a shameful thing to admit, openly?
What is a follower? I never said anything about KKK. Again I try to be supportive of Elk County programs and groups. It doesn' t make any difference to me whether Redcliff lives in Elk county I was asking a simple question. You don't put Redcliff down for his input about Elk County but you berate others that do not live here.
Quote from: Nancy on November 18, 2014, 01:29:37 PM
What is a follower? I never said anything about KKK. Again I try to be supportive of Elk County programs and groups. It doesn' t make any difference to me whether Redcliff lives in Elk county I was asking a simple question. You don't put Redcliff down for his input about Elk County but you berate others that do not live here.
I concur I did berate the liar about Mr. RITZ not owning property in Elk County to further his/her/it's agenda to get his/her/it's aunt elected to the County Commissioners Board.
Go back and look --- you said any Elk County programs.
So I must suppose that includes good or bad.
But you still avoid the direct question of affiliation with Elk Konnected, why is that?
Inquiring minds wish to know, most likely half of Elk County?
No sir I answered your question quite clearly. I do not know of any bad programs in Elk County.
Ross how many School boards have you been elected to. How many County Commisioner positions have you served on. I am betting none, you are totally full of hot air. Everyone in ELK county that I have talked to told me you were totally full of CRAP.
Quote from: Nancy on November 18, 2014, 01:29:37 PM
What is a follower?
But Frawin says you know a lot about Elk County, how is it you don't know what an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER is?
Quote from: frawin on November 18, 2014, 08:20:44 AM
You don't know if there is going to be a tax increase in Elk county or not. You are like Ross you make up crap just to stir up trouble. I own property in Elk County and I will take a tax increase if it is necessary. Nancy knows a lot more about what goes on in Elk county than you do.
And Frawin says you know a lot of what goes on in Elk County and you don't know what an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER is? Boy is FRAWIN wrong!
Quote from: frawin on November 18, 2014, 08:20:44 AMI own property in Elk County and I will take a tax increase if it is necessary. Nancy knows a lot more about what goes on in Elk county than you do.
That sounds like a blanket acceptance of taxation! Here I am tax me, no, no over here tax me till I got no more. Good job.
But Nancy doesn't know a simple fact like what an elk Konnected FOLLOWER is really knowledgeable there.
Quote from: Nancy on November 18, 2014, 02:36:46 PM
No sir I answered your question quite clearly. I do not know of any bad programs in Elk County.
Ma'am I did not ask if you knew of any bad programs in Elk County.
But speaking of programs I attended a pretty good high school program recently.
I didn't even ask if you knew of any bad organizations in Elk County either, did I?
So, No ma'am you did not answer the question quite clearly! Perhaps you don't understand what clearly means? If you were to read with some comprehension, I asked specifically if you are affiliated with Elk Konnected and I asked if you are an Elk Konnected FOLLOWER?
If you have a problem with the term FOLLOWER you could read back through this thread and make your own determination as to what a FOLLOWER is.
Then try once again to answer the question directly, if that is possible.
Thank you for each and everyone of you responses.
This humble unedumacated redneck truly appreciate those responses.
Quote from: Joesue23 on November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 PM
Ross how many School boards have you been elected to.
Your youth and ignorance of how government works stands out extremely well.
In case you failed that class the government, the elected officials do not have a private organization.
Everything they do is public information with the exception of disciplinary actions. They may think they have special privileges but they really do not without taking advantage of the people. The taxpayer and the voter that placed their trust in them will lose respect for them . And when they have a relative lie for them to win a election they lose respect eventually.
What difference how many boards I have sat on. The elected officials should respect their office and display some form of integrity, decorum and honesty.
No I have never really tried to e elected to apolitical office. I was asked to be a member of a Board of Governors in Seattle for a very reputable company and I did accept and served proudly ad honestly.
Quote from: Joesue23 on November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 PM
How many County Commisioner positions have you served on. I am betting none, you are totally full of hot air.
I answered that in the above reponse. Perhaps you might study up on what government is suppose to really be.
Quote from: Joesue23 on November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 PMEveryone in ELK county that I have talked to told me you were totally full of CRAP
Gee, did both of your closest relatives really say that?
I feel such gratitude for those two folks.
Wish them all my best .
And by the way did you ever apologize to Mr. Ritz for lying about him?
It's long over due, don't you think?
You have a great evening he/she/it what ever you are.
Quote from: ROSS on November 18, 2014, 05:08:50 PM
Your youth and ignorance of how government works stands out extremely well.
In case you failed that class the government, the elected officials do not have a private organization.
Everything they do is public information with the exception of disciplinary actions. They may think they have special privileges but they really do not without taking advantage of the people. The taxpayer and the voter that placed their trust in them will lose respect for them . And when they have a relative lie for them to win a election they lose respect eventually.
You are assuming that the folks didn't ditch government class or even had government in their education. I don't think a lot of the schools teach it anymore. they would rather teach islamic history in the world geography/socialism studies course.
The government we have today is socialist, certainly not the same as our founding fathers established.
Government can not be trusted to teach government.
You want to raise your kids to be communists? Then send 'em to a government school.
Nothing like a free education and that's about all it's worth.
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Cute Huh, Isn't it Konnected Followers?
Quote from: Joesue23 on November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 PM
Ross how many School boards have you been elected to. How many County Commisioner positions have you served on. I am betting none, you are totally full of hot air. Everyone in ELK county that I have talked to told me you were totally full of CRAP.
I just love how the wing nuts immediately ask the question "Why don't you run for office or what have you done" blah blah blah. So typical of a person who has nothing to add to an conversation and hates the fact that actual facts are being talked about. They spin it in the other direction so they don't have to deal with the truth.
I have no doubt that everyone you have talked to Joesue23 have said that. So what is the point exactly??
Quote from: nykkylsdymes on November 19, 2014, 04:39:55 PM
I just love how the wing nuts immediately ask the question "Why don't you run for office or what have you done" blah blah blah. So typical of a person who has nothing to add to an conversation and hates the fact that actual facts are being talked about. They spin it in the other direction so they don't have to deal with the truth.
I have no doubt that everyone you have talked to Joesue23 have said that. So what is the point exactly??
I agree with you nykkylsdymes !
While we are having a discussion with Joesue23, I'd like to remind her that her that she still owes Doug Ritz a public apology for lying about him right here on this forum.
If she has any couth or integrity we should be reading a heart felt apology very soon.
And I guess we won't be getting a direct and honest answer from Nancy Liebau about being associated or affiliated with
Elk Konnected. Oh well, I guess nobody takes any pride in being associated or affiliated with or being an
Elk Konnected Follower And I really and truly wonder why?
Any body know why? Is it because they have failed at everything they have ever undertaken?
Any answers out there?
Phyllis Schlafly"Grubergate" is the name for the embarrassing revelations about Obamacare by its chief architect, MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber. Congressman Jim Jordan (R-OH) predicted that the House Oversight Committee will hold hearings on this issue, so the public can learn the facts underlying this legislative failure.
Read column online @ http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/column/grubergate-should-spark-hearings-by-congress.html
Oh yea the voters are fools and all the politicians tell the truth.
I think there should be strictly enforced laws that include prison time for politicians that deceive and lie to the voters. And that should include their campaign advertisements hold the politician responsible for any lies involved.
We have consumer protection laws right and we are the consumers of all politicians. Let's make them truthful. All politicians local, state and national.
Look who else is ConnectED
only he thinks he is ConnectED to the future
while he is screwing up today, the present. How sad!
How's that for a line of Bull Shit?
Sheeple will buy anything fer instance
Obamacare and Obama Common Core.
I suppose that is why I will never be Konnected
I'm no sheeple.
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AMNESTY MAN: President Barack Obama speaks at the 'ConnectED to the Future',
on Wednesday in the East Room of the White House in Washington.
the president is expected to take administrative steps to protect as many as
5 million people in the country illegally from deportation,
and grant them work permits.
There's many brands/kinds of socialism. Who has the best socialist leadership and ideas? Some like the socialism of Obama and some have other preferences like Elk Konnected.
Republicans have a history of socialism and so it's no surprise that many of them are fascinated by Elk Konnected and its leadership.
Quote from: redcliffsw on November 21, 2014, 06:32:43 AM
Some like the socialism of Obama and some have other preferences like Elk Konnected.
An excerpt from:
Bill Cosby, Camille Cosby
and the
Oppressive Power of Silence
Erica Williams Simon Nov. 20, 2014
And even in the most recent AP video, as Mrs. Cosby sits idly by, the central tension between Mr. Cosby and the reporter revolves around him pressuring the journalist into, what? Silence. He calmly yet persistently requests the editing out of his own "no comment" response to the reporter's request for a statement. Be clear: In the actual interview, Mr. Cosby refused to discuss it, saying "I don't talk about that." It is that exchange that he wants scrubbed from the record. He even wants his silence silenced.
History teaches us that silence is often the most effective tool of power. It forces others into submission. It attempts to control a narrative. It hides things. And it is often a strategic attempt on the part of the powerful to shame other voices – the victims, the oppressed, the challengers, the inquisitors – into a similar silence.But right now as Missouri police use military tactics and tear gas to force silence upon outraged but peaceful Ferguson protestors and rich executives threaten female reporters who won't stop talking with personal attacks pulled from private investigators (see the latest Uber controversy), silence is not ok.
http://time.com/3598207/bill-cosby-rape-accusations-silence/
Is it possible,
that this explains the deafening silence in
Elk County of who is associated or affiliated with
Elk Konnected ?
Inquiring Minds would like to know !
I'm thinking that you're on to something.
Socialists will not stand for liberty. Even though the socialist movement in Elk County continues to be quieter on this Forum, they're always lurking about the universe seeking to control you and your money by and thru government.
Stay alert!
Here is hoping everyone had a great Thanksgiving weekend.
I had a house full of guest and really enjoyed the time,
even though we received some sad news.
I did lose a nephew to cancer on Thanksgiving shortly after noon to cancer.
He fought the good fight, but it was too difficult to continue, so now he can rest in peace.
We were prepared for our loss and we are satisfied with the Lords decision to take him.
And we are Thankful he no longer suffers the pain and agony of cancer.
He will be missed for a long time to come.
I guess it is official Jennifer Montgomery or Jennifer Brummel.
The City of Howard calls her Jennifer Brummel
and Elk Konnected calls her Jennifer Montgomery
so I am really unsure as what to call her.
But as I was saying, I guess the rumor is official, because I read in the
newspaper today that the City of Howard accepted her resignation.
I wonder now will she return to her home town?
After-all isn't that what Elk Konnected thinks young college graduates should do?
Return to their home towns!
If she does depart from Elk County I wonder how long Elk Konnected will carry her on their Steering Committee on their web site: http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/
The silence is deafening from Elk Konnected these days, isn't it?
I bet that changes after the first of the year, don't you?
Yet Another Elk County Rumor !
It seems to me that most of the rumors around Elk County come true.
What do you think?
I understand from one rumor that a couple of the Elk County Road Crew may be either fired or forced to retire. What an attitude on someone's part, huh? How many other Elk County employees should be worried about losing their jobs in 2015?
And another rumor is that County Commissioner Elect that will be seated at the first of the year is planning to have yet another Elk County Economic Development Employee as previously mentioned. But this time the rumor includes additional information.
We were informed that Kaminska was going to bring 4 industries to Longton, weren't we?
But were we told what those industries might be? NO!
Rumor has it that one industry might be a welding shop that one of her relatives wants to open, could that be true?
Is it possible that Kaminska has more relatives that want to start a business in Longton or elsewhere in Elk County?
Is that the possible reason for hiring
yet another Elk County Economic Development Employee, to help finance businesses for her relatives?
It has been proven by other
educated Elk County Economic Development Employees that they
could not achieve anything, hasn't it? Just look around, have you seen any growth? So what is hiring yet another person at $40,000.00 a year plus and the expense of benefits for that employee and the cost of running the office space for them going to do for the taxpayers. If it is about improving local retailers' profits – they have their
Chamber of Commerce for that purpose – which does not fall under Economic Development, in my opinion.
If the County Commissioners
do not have a solid and sensible plan for an Elk County Economic Development Employee to follow and accomplish during their first year of employment, then it should not happen in my opinion!
If the board wants progress they have to plan for it. With no goals to be accomplished it's a waste of time. An
employee requirement for the position should be
explicit/detailed monthly reports to the board explaining progress in detail. Or no go!
No wasting taxpayer dollars. If working with someone,
report whom, to the board in an open meeting. And provide documentation.
No secrets!Will we be starting 2015 with another Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Board?
2015 may prove to be an interesting year
for Elk County
especially in its Government.
Check out this list of wasted taxpayer dollars that need to be cut.
Please notice a few typed in
bold red print.They are
Economic Development related and considered a waste of money by Paul Ryan. Really all of them are a form of
Economic Development aren't they?
They all use taxpayer dollars to provide for someone else, don't they?Will Elk County waste tax payer dollars on so called
Economic Development in 2015?
Just give that some thought please.
If it is a waste of tax payer money on the Federal Level isn't it a waste of taxpayer money here in Elk County?
It is my personal opinion that any
Economic Development ploy in Elk County would simply be a con, a scam against the taxpayers.
I received the following in an e-mail:
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxAbsolutely Jaw Dropping !!
PAUL RYAN'S PROPOSED BUDGET CUTSA List of Republican Budget Cuts
Notice S.S. and the military are NOT on this list.
These are all the programs that the new Republican House has proposed cutting.
Read to the end.
* Corporation for Public Broadcasting Subsidy -- $445 million annual savings.
* Save America 's Treasures Program -- $25 million annual savings.
* International Fund for Ireland -- $17 million annual savings.
* Legal Services Corporation -- $420 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Arts -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* National Endowment for the Humanities -- $167.5 million annual savings.
* Hope VI Program -- $250 million annual savings.
* Amtrak Subsidies -- $1.565 billion annual savings.
* Eliminate duplicating education programs -- H.R. 2274 (in last Congress), authored by Rep. McKeon, eliminates 68 at a savings of $1.3 billion annually.
* U..S. Trade Development Agency -- $55 million annual savings.* Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy -- $20 million annual savings.
* Cut in half funding for congressional printing and binding -- $47 million annual savings.
* John C. Stennis Center Subsidy -- $430,000 annual savings.
* Community Development Fund -- $4.5 billion annual savings.* Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid -- $24 million annual savings.
* Cut Federal Travel Budget in Half -- $7.5 billion annual savings.
* Trim Federal Vehicle Budget by 20% -- $600 million annual savings.
* Essential Air Service -- $150 million annual savings.
* Technology Innovation Program -- $70 million annual savings.
* Manufacturing Extension Partnership (MEP) Program -- $125 million annual savings.* Department of Energy Grants to States for Weatherization -- $530 million annual savings.
* Beach Replenishment -- $95 million annual savings.
* New Starts Transit -- $2 billion annual savings.
*Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians, and Their Historical Trading Partners in Massachusetts -- $9 million annual savings
* Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants -- $2.5 billion annual savings.
* Title X Family Planning -- $318 million annual savings.
* Appalachian Regional Commission -- $76 million annual savings.
* Economic Development Administration -- $293 million annual savings.* Programs under the National and Community Services Act -- $1.15 billion annual savings.
* Applied Research at Department of Energy -- $1.27 billion annual savings.
*
Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership -- $200 million annual savings.
*
Energy Star Program -- $52 million annual savings.
*
Economic Assistance to Egypt -- $250 million annually.
*
U.S. Agency for International Development -- $1.39 billion annual savings..
* General Assistance to District of Columbia -- $210 million annual savings.
* Subsidy for Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority -- $150 million annual savings.
* Presidential Campaign Fund -- $775 million savings over ten years.
* No funding for federal office space acquisition -- $864 million annual savings.
* End prohibitions on competitive sourcing of government services.
* Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act -- More than $1 billion annually.
* IRS Direct Deposit: Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget -- $1.8 billion savings over ten years.
* Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees -- $1 billion total savings. WHAT'S THIS ABOUT?
* Prohibit taxpayer funded union activities by federal employees -- $1.2 billion savings over ten years.
* Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of -- $15 billion total savings.
* Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. WHAT???
*
Eliminate Mohair Subsidies -- $1 million annual savings.
* Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- $12.5 million annual savings. WELL ISN'T THAT SPECIAL
*
Eliminate Market Access Program -- $200 million annual savings.
*
USDA Sugar Program -- $14 million annual savings.
* Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) -- $93 million annual savings.
* Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program -- $56.2 million annual savings.
* Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative costs -- $900 million savings.
* Ready to Learn TV Program -- $27 million savings..
* HUD Ph.D. Program.
* Deficit Reduction Check-Off Act.
* TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years
My question is, what is all this doing in the budget in the first place?
Maybe this is why the Democrats are attacking Paul Ryan.
Please Send to everyone you know..
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXEnd of e-mail.
Good evening folks.
I have a story to share with you.
I attended the Saturday morning breakfast in Howard at the senior citizens center.
It was to raise money for their transportation section. For every dollar collected the state would match it.
The breakfast was homemade sausage gravy and biscuits and it was real good.
And visiting with the people there was fun too.
The subject of Elk Konnected, LLC was raised, most likely by me. LOL
A lady said Elk Konnected was gone now and I asked what made her think that.
She said, "Because Jennifer was gone now!"
I asked why she thought because Jennifer was gone that Elk Konnected was gone?
She said, "Because Jennifer started Elk Konnected, LLC!"
I had to break the news to her that Liz Hendricks was the self-proclaimed founder of Elk Konnected, LLC.
And she said, "Oh I didn't know that."
Well we discussed the subject awhile longer and discussed the "Old Guard" and a few other things and had a good time laughing and such.
End of story.
I find it amazing just how things get all twisted up, don't you?
We haven't heard anything out of Elk Konnected, LLC in such a long time, some people don't believe they exist any longer. What do you think? I think they still exist, because they are still running their web site.
But now that Jennifer has moved (or so says the rumors) does that leave the Elk Konnected, LLC group with only three members on their steering committee?
Copied and pasted from their web site:
"Vision Statement
Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!""
I must ask where is the growth Elk Konnected, LLC?
I feel compelled to ask what has Elk Konnected, LLC successfully accomplished?
How does Elk Konnected maintain their accreditation with Public Squares Communities, INC?
Elk Konnected, LLC
Are Public Squares Communities, INC and Elk Konnected, LLC both own by Liz Hendricks?
Will be hearing more of Elk Konnected, LLC after the first of the year when they possibly have two Konnected Elk Kounty Kommissioners on the county board?
It may prove to be an interesting year next year, don't you think?
Kaminska had stated at the Political Forum held at the Longton Free Fair that she wanted to hire another Elk County Economic Development Employee, I ask for what reason?
Would it be for the benefit of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Would it be for the benefit of her relative, that rumor says wants to start a welding shop in Longton?
What are the four industries she said she would bring to Longton?
Would they all be her relatives businesses?
I'm anxious to know some answers, aren't you?
I guess we will just have to sit back and watch and pay attention as to how the next County Commissioners spend our hard earned money, the money, we pay our taxes with, just wait, right?
After all Jonathan Holmes Gruber an American professor of economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology claiming ObamaCare's authors took advantage of the "stupidity of the American voter." It wasn't to smart of an MIT professor to make such a remark was it. But wait a minute Mr. Gruber has the following Awards and Honors according to Wikipedia:
In 2006, Gruber received the American Society of Health Economists Inaugural Medal for the best health economist in the nation aged 40 and under.[15] He was elected a member of the Institute of Medicine in 2005.[16] In 2009 he was elected to the Executive Committee of the American Economic Association.
In 2011 he was named "One of the Top 25 Most Innovative and Practical Thinkers of Our Time" by Slate Magazine. In both 2006 and 2012 he was rated as one of the top 100 most powerful people in health care in the United States by Modern Healthcare Magazine.
So really does all that education really make a person smart?
He called us stupid, didn't he? Was that a smart move on his part? Such a conundrum, huh?
Even Democratic Congressman Elijah Cummings Savages Gruber: 'Absolutely Stupid,' 'Incredibly Disrespectful'. But congressman Gruber has an education with degrees and everything, how can he be stupid?
Are we stupid?
Or will we be smart enough to be vigil in our own back yard?
Who will bother attending Elk County Commissioners Meetings next year?
Just some food for thought. Good night folks.
Are the educated really so weak minded and mentally deficient?
They must be very fragile just read on!
It's all over the internet.
Law Students and Gruber --- Wow just WOW !
Columbia Law School Delays Finals for Students Upset by Garner, Fergusonby Josh Feldman | 6:25 pm, December 9th, 2014
"The law school has a policy and set of procedures for students who experience trauma during exam period."
http://www.mediaite.com/online/columbia-law-school-delays-finals-for-students-upset-by-garner-ferguson/
And the Pussification of America Continues: Columbia Law School Allows Students To Postpone Finals Because of Emotional Trauma From Ferguson and Eric Garner Cases"This has to be fake life right? Like this has to be an Onion article or something? Columbia Law School is really letting their students postpone finals because of Trauma suffered from the Ferguson and Eric Garner cases??
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/super-page/and-the-pussification-of-america-continues-columbia-law-school-allows-students-to-postpone-finals-because-of-emotional-trauma-from-ferguson-and-eric-garner-cases/
Definition of Trauma - Definition from the Free Merriam ...trau·ma noun \ˈtrau̇-mə, ˈtrȯ-\
:
a very difficult or unpleasant experience that causes someone to have mental or
emotional problems usually
for a long timemedical : a serious injury to a person's body
Social Injustice Ate My Homework Harvard law students have been taught to think like spoiled children.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/394297/social-injustice-ate-my-homework-charles-c-w-cooke
Harvard Prof. Sends Angry Emails to Restaurant Owner over 4 Dollarshttp://www.mediaite.com/online/harvard-prof-sends-angry-emails-to-restaurant-owner-over-4-dollars/
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXI (Ross) must ask as a Professor demanding that his perceived overcharge of $4 be paid back triple, based on law and credited back to his credit card, doesn't he understand, he can not quote law and demand 3X reimbursement? That can only happen in a court of law and a judgement handed down by the court. He must be suffering from trauma just like the students at Harvard that wanted postponement of exams?
Rumor was true was told 2 let go this week
Quote from: oldfart on December 11, 2014, 07:31:33 PM
Rumor was true was told 2 let go this week
It's good to see a response, thank you.
But please pardon me, I'm uncertain which rumor you are referring to because their are so many.
And it apears most rumors are true in Elk County.
Thanks again.
rumor about 2 elk co road people being let go.
Quote from: oldfart on December 12, 2014, 06:52:26 PM
rumor about 2 elk co road people being let go.
Thank you.
Heard to day we have couple EMT"S leaveing also
Quote from: oldfart on December 14, 2014, 07:20:15 PM
Heard to day we have couple EMT"S leaveing also
It sure doesn't sound good for Elk County and we haven't even had a change on the County Commissioners Board yet.
I hope people wake up and attend County Commissioners meetings after the first of the year.
Everyone should be interested in what might happen to their tax dollars.
And that includes renters because part of their rent is used to pay property taxes.
Property taxes go up, rent goes up.
The next County Commissioners Board might just make Obama proud !
We will have to pay attention and wait and see, won't we?
Oldfart keep the info coming, and thanks.
If Obama is proud of the County Commissioners, you can rest assured that most Republicans will be too. It was the Republicans who ousted your conservative Commissioner in the last election.
American conservatism is certainly not acceptable the socialist coalition, the socialist coalition being the Democrats and Republicans.
Let's hire an
Elk County Economic Development Employee
to accomplish nothing !
And a few steering committee employees too !
(http://images1.tickld.com/live/articles/a_1127_20141215100408.jpg)
Ross you are as full of CRAP as Obuma and Redcliff.
Quote from: Joesue23 on December 16, 2014, 11:10:12 AM
Ross you are as full of CRAP as Obuma and Redcliff.
Hi Joesue23 Merry Christmas to you.
How's everything over there in Montgomery County?
You sure are rude Joesue23, does that come with a college degree ? LOL
I may be full of crap Joesue, but I admit it and I
defecate daily.
What do you do, Joesue ?
Did I hit the nerve of a real outsider to Elk County. By that I mean, someone that doesn't live here or pay taxes here and someone that brings absolutely nothing to Elk County. Except rudeness and lies via this forum !
Is this what bothered you:Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 06:42:40 AM
Let's hire an
Elk County Economic Development Employee
to accomplish nothing !
And a few steering committee employees too !
Why couldn't you just say so?
Why couldn't you communicate your frustration?
Oh, I know name calling is more fun for you kind, right? LOL
I have to
ass/u/me that you are upset about my previous remarks about Economic Development in Elk County having failed for years.
Would that perhaps be, because if your auntie gets an economic development employee hired for Elk County that it might be you?
Or, is it because you might gain financially as an industry being brought to Longton.
If any of that would be true, an economic development employee for Elk County would be for personal family gain, wouldn't it?
Thanks for replying Joesue23 it is very helpful and entertaining.
By the way what did you say your
Konnection is with
Elk Konnected?
Joesue23 can we expect some increase in activity from Elk Konnected in 2015?
TTFN and hurry back.
Even a whisper would be an increase in activity for Elk Konnected, wouldn't it Joesue23?
Ross, as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about. Their families in Elk County pay a WHOLE lot more taxes than you do and they serve Elk County a lot more than you do. I blocked your posts along time ago but several people sent it to me and it needed a response.
You are so right Frank.
Quote from: frawin on December 17, 2014, 07:19:24 AM
Ross, as usual you don't have a clue what you are talking about.
As usual --- you are right.
Well, perhaps that's the reason I ask so many questions. because I don't have a clue.
But do you have a clue?
If so where are the answers from you?
Thank you for all your wisdom and insight Mr. Frawin.
However, you fail to clarify anything concerning my addressing
Joesue23, who lives in Montgomery County.
With all you wisdom and insight why didn't you answer some of the questions I presented to
Joesue23 concerning Economic Development?
Here are the questions once again. Would you please post your response to them, should your friends call and tell you I posted again. Thank you. And please note this time I posted in response to your post.
Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
I have to ass/u/me that you are upset about my previous remarks about Economic Development in Elk County having failed for years.c
Would that perhaps be, because if your auntie gets an economic development employee hired for Elk County that it might be you?
Or, is it because you might gain financially as an industry being brought to Longton.
If any of that would be true, an economic development employee for Elk County would be for personal family gain, wouldn't it? Quote
Quote from: frawin on December 17, 2014, 07:19:24 AM
Their families in Elk County pay a WHOLE lot more taxes than you do and they serve Elk County a lot more than you do.
Did you actually read the post? Did you notice it was addressed to Joesue23 in response to her post? It was addressed to someone that lives in Montgomery County! and not addressed towards anyone living in Elk County !
Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Did I hit the nerve of a real outsider to Elk County. By that I mean, someone that doesn't live here or pay taxes here and someone that brings absolutely nothing to Elk County. Except rudeness and lies via this forum !
So Mr. Frawin does Joesue23 pay property taxes in Elk County?
Can you document it if she does? I'm not asking about her family, her mom and dad or brothers and sisters or aunt's and uncle's. Just her. I sincerely hope that is clear enough for you.
Quote from: frawin link=topic=11780.msg223720#msg223720 date=1418822364
I blocked your posts along time ago but several people sent it to me and it needed a response.
/quote]
Well, Mr. Frawin apparently your friends either don't respect the fact that you blocked my post, or you are pulling my leg.
For some reason, I don't think that block works. Maybe it isn't being set right by a few members of this forum or really not being set at all.
Are your friends you are talking about illiterate and unable to speak or type for themselves?
Would those supposed friends be Elk Konnected friends?
We don't really know what you are promoting here do we?
And now we have proelk providing simple support for you Mr. Frawin.
Do you think he might be able to respond to a few of the above questions?
Quote from: proelkco on December 17, 2014, 07:34:47 AM
You are so right Frank.
Can we here a bit more from you proelkco?
Do you have a clue?
Can you provide any answers to the aforementioned questions?
Or any other questions for that matter?
Everyone will be waiting patiently for answers.
Thank you in advance proelco.
Are we having fun yet?
Frawin-
There's people in Elk County who pay more taxes than you who don't expect more from government like you and your liberal cronies do.
Are you related to JoeSue or do you two have dinner together up at Copan?
Ross if anyone is rude on the forum, it is you.
Quote from: proelkco on December 17, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Ross if anyone is rude on the forum, it is you.
It's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it proelko?
Some people can't handle the truth, can they?
Thank you for your masterful input and insight.
But what about all those questions I have asked, because I don't have a clue?
Do you have a clue?
If so let's hear the answers, enlighten us please!
Quote from: proelkco on December 17, 2014, 02:43:47 PM
Ross if anyone is rude on the forum, it is you.
Thanks Pro, you are right on. I have had a lot of people tell me that Ross has ruined the Forum for them. I know I don't follow it or post anywhere near like I used to.
Quote from: frawin on December 17, 2014, 05:48:44 PM
Thanks Pro, you are right on. I have had a lot of people tell me that Ross has ruined the Forum for them. I know I don't follow it or post anywhere near like I used to.
You must know an awful lot of ignorant people?
If they think, I have ruined the forum with this thread, ignorance is being applied lightly.
Because if your
Konnected friends think like that, they are very narrow minded and missing out on the fact that there are 215022 Posts in 14425 Topics and numerous Threads by 650 Members.
And none are required to pay attention to any single thread.
Just how dumb are you insinuating that your friends are?
Also, if the owners found any fault with my posts they would surely shut me down, wouldn't they Mr. Frawin?
Aren't you insinuating with your remarks that they are not smart enough to operate this Forum for all the people of Elk County and else where? Aren't you insinuating they don't care? Aren't you insinuating you could do a better job than the owners. Fer shame!
There are an awful lot of insinuations in your remarks, aren't there?
Perhaps you owe the owners an apology and an awful lot of readers too!
Perhaps, you should take a hard look in the mirror. You are always condescending in your posts on this thread with no meat to back it up and fail to answer any legitimate questions.
I personally do believe an awful lot of people find this thread entertaining and informative and stimulating. And I can back that statement up with numbers.
This thread is nearly three years old and is 627 pages long and has been accessed/read 225,907 as of this post. Thank You!What do you have to back up your remarks ---
nothing, ziltch. So bad mouth me all you want, I really don't mind. I know you do so because you don't have any answers and you don't want people thinking for themselves --- so you want to shut me up. Good luck with that attitude.
I wish you a good evening.
Just a few more statistics for you naysayers proelkco:
Top 10 Topics (by Views)
361349 Word Association
306246 Change A Letter (Word Activity Game)
247195 Let's Try Five Letters Change A Letter!
225916 Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
218797 3 Word Story
168946 New Word Association/Must end In 'Y'
168088 Okay Pardner! You Wanna Try For Six Letter Change A Letter?
131685 Important note to all members!
102763 This and That...
102273 Better Fill up today
This can be verified at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=stats
So let's review what brought about the personal attacks on me, okay? Okay!
As I see it, it was, and I quote myself:
Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 06:42:40 AM
Let's hire an
Elk County Economic Development Employee
to accomplish nothing !
And a few steering committee employees too !
(http://images1.tickld.com/live/articles/a_1127_20141215100408.jpg)
And also asking the following questions once again quoting myself:
Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 12:06:02 PM
Hi Joesue23 Merry Christmas to you.
How's everything over there in Montgomery County?
You sure are rude Joesue23, does that come with a college degree ? LOL
I may be full of crap Joesue, but I admit it and I defecate daily.
What do you do, Joesue ?
Did I hit the nerve of a real outsider to Elk County. By that I mean, someone that doesn't live here or pay taxes here and someone that brings absolutely nothing to Elk County. Except rudeness and lies via this forum !
Is this what bothered you:Why couldn't you just say so?
Quote from: ROSS on December 16, 2014, 06:42:40 AM
Let's hire an
Elk County Economic Development Employee
to accomplish nothing !
And a few steering committee employees too !
Why couldn't you communicate your frustration?
Oh, I know name calling is more fun for you kind, right? LOL
I have to ass/u/me that you are upset about my previous remarks about Economic Development in Elk County having failed for years.
Would that perhaps be, because if your auntie gets an economic development employee hired for Elk County that it might be you?
Or, is it because you might gain financially as an industry being brought to Longton.
If any of that would be true, an economic development employee for Elk County would be for personal family gain, wouldn't it?
Thanks for replying Joesue23 it is very helpful and entertaining.
By the way what did you say your Konnection is with Elk Konnected?
Joesue23 can we expect some increase in activity from Elk Konnected in 2015?
TTFN and hurry back.
Even a whisper would be an increase in activity for Elk Konnected, wouldn't it Joesue23?
And since no one can provide any answers why not attack the person asking the questions?
Good job folks! But I forgive you.
After a little reflection, I think, I finally understand, all the anger from a few people that drove one of them to start a new thread entitled, "Ross" with the very first remark being and I quote:
Quote from: proelkco on December 17, 2014, 10:38:53 PM
Sick of Ross
The link for this thread is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?topic=16612.new#top .
The reasons are:
1. The lack of ability to communicate concerning the topic.
2. The lack of ability to comprehend the topic.
3. The lack of ability to answer any questions, perhaps
Because they don't have a clue, like they accused me of not having.
4. The lack of ability to find a decent way to say, Shut Up Ross you might be disclosing our secrets.
Or something to that affect/effect? LOL Yes I mean both!
5. The lack of ability to recognize the First Amendment.
6. The lack of ability to say stay out of our business politely
A) because it is Elk County Government Business
B) which makes it everyone's business that pays taxes and voted in Elk County
C) and would not be as rude as starting a new thread to be hateful
So it's okay, it's all-good with me.
I'm just glad they can take their frustrations out on me, rather than someone else.
Let's not discourage them from releasing their frustrations here.
Because, well I think it is the safest place for them to do so.
Thanks everyone for being understanding and giving these guys a break.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
.
Joesue23 if you check, I don't believe, I have ever mentioned anyone as being Elk Konnected except for those that have said they were. I have asked if others were
Elk Konnected and never received an answer.
Why is it Jeosue23 nobody wants to admit being
Elk Konnected? Why can't Shari Kaminski answer for herself? Is she incapable of answering? Why don't the
Elk Konnected followers that are following my post, speak up?
I forgot to mention I didn't find any Joesue23 on the County Property Tax registry as owning land or paying Elk County Taxes. I checked for any Kaminski and found nothing. So I checked Kaminska and found Donna and Donna K and Shari J but no JoeSue. So we don't know about you being a property owner or property tax payer do we?
I kinda doubt it, because you live in Montgomery county, among-st other reasons, but I don't know ????
It's been a pleasure.
Under the Guise
of
Economic Development
I received the e-mail that is copied and pasted below.
Has all those highly educated and motivated progressives with their economic development plans in Olathe done any favors for the common people known as the taxpayers?
Has been buying a multi-million dollar piece of property with out an evaluation been beneficial to the taxpayers?
Have those highly educated progressives progressed anything other than waste?
Has their investment of Millions of dollars that now has a value of 25 cents on the dollar been a good investment for the taxpayers?
I know the supposed elite of Elk County don't seem to like questions, and I don't think they want you thinking for yourself. But I do ! You foot the bill for their big ideas, don't you.
In fact I think those same people want this thread shut down for the reasons of asking questions.
Please pay no mind to me. I'se not highly educated with one of them PHD or MD's or BA's or AA's, so you just keep on keeping on.
You decide is Olathe on the right track !!Here is the e-mail:
My oath is not up for renewal.
by nolathe
Johnson County Board of County Commissioners have now disclosed that the King Louie Property is currently worth $850,000 assuming the demolition of the King Louie Building at an estimated expense of $400,000.
So let me get this straight. We are still paying interest on the $3,600,000 that we have already spent and if we spend another $400,000 (making $4,000,000 total) we'll have something valued at 21.25% of our investment? Sound impossible, even for government? Here is what we discovered.
Because the initial purchase was made with cash tax dollars, no one thought or were required to have an appraisal of the property. (Confirmed by KORA request)
The leasing bank failed their fiduciary responsibilities to acquire an appraisal to ensure the funds were secured by a like valued asset. (Confirmed by KORA request)
After nearly 3 years of public resistance/resentment following this purchase and repairs, JoCo BOCC is attempting again to legitimize this failure of due diligence. On December 18, 2014 the existence of an appraisal was made known in an attempt to justify even more money.
NOlathe executed a lawful KORA request and received this 100 page document dated April 9, 2014 201408FormerKingLouieAppraisalReportwithPIV just a few highlights:
Page 38- "The improvements are in a shell condition, and it is not likely that the property can continue to support the existing improvements well into the future. The building itself has exhausted its useful life and has many characteristics that pose serious challenges for conversion."
Page 47- "Our value of the subject property with the current improvements in place is $550,000. The value of the subject property as a cleared vacant site ready for redevelopment based on the land value estimated in the following section of this report, less the demolition costs of the existing building is $850,000. Based on these estimations, it appears the current improvements do not contribute additional value to the site. We have concluded the highest and best use of the subject property to be razing the existing improvements for redevelopment to a residential use."
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So this 1959 steel and concrete building albeit iconic is wore out.
After $3,600,000 already expensed the property is only worth $550,000? But if we spend another $400,000 it might be worth $850,000?
One year ago we sued JoCo BOCC for violating The Home Rule Charter for the methods they used in replacing the County Mental Health Commission. Even though we had shown the JoCo BOCC two lawful methods to accomplish the same result, many felt we were anti Mental Health. So here we go again, many will believe we are anti Parks and Recreation.
My oath is not up for renewal every four years. Mine lasts a lifetime. Our next post will reveal more KORA information regarding this near panic to bring Parks and Rec in to King Louie January 2015.
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It"
Ken Dunwoody GOD
Henpecked Acres One Nation
14850 W. 159th St.
Olathe, Ks. 66062
(913)768-1603
kdunwoody2@aol.com
http://NOlathe.net
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXxIs this what Elk County be looking forward to next year with a new county commissioner?
Spend thousands of dollars on an Elk County Economic Development Employee and get nothing for our tax dollars. Previous Elk County Economic Development Employee's have accomplished nothing have they?
If our local business need more business to make more profit they have the Chamber of Commerce to turn to, don't they?
Simply Ask what is their Chamber of Commerce accomplishing?
Ask should the common man that purchases from the business' be required to pay higher property taxes or any taxes to improve the merchants bottom line on top of what they already spend in their stores?
Food for thought, isn't it?
Under the Guise
of
Economic Development
Continued
Another e-mail I received concerning waste of taxpayer dollars as shown in the above post.
Why do progressive liberals leave so many questions unanswered concerning cost and future cost?
And they use the term potential instead of guaranteed! Why? Because it has stronger potential to fail, that's why? Everything has potential but at what expense and loss of taxpayer dollars? It has already been shown that the dollars spent on the project are only worth 25 cents on the dollar. Please read the Action and Discussion Items in the picture below. County Seasonal Date Nut Bread- Seven nuts and a pinch of dates.
by nolathe
On 12.8.14 the Administrative Services Committee held a meeting. Roll call showed Paul, Chris and Nancy present and Eric absent. Three of the four members present provided a quorum.
But wait, there were eighteen guests also present. All eighteen of these guests were paid employees of the County. Seventeen of them under the direct supervision of the big guy himself who is also present. Purpose: overwhelm the three volunteer committee members just how great life would be in King Louie (even though the paid staff was unable to answer any questions with certainty). Minutes of 12.8.14 Meeting available here Board Report 12-15-2014
One week later 12.15.14 Parks & Rec Committee of the Whole approved. (Minutes not available).
Two days later 12.17.14 Parks & Rec Commissioners approved. (Minutes not available).
One day later 12.18.14 County Committee of the Whole (aka Board of County Commissioners) approved. (Minutes not available however may be viewed here).
http://lims.jocogov.org/sirepub/mtgviewer.aspx?meetid=1912&doctype=SUMMARY
(https://nolathe.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/12-8-14.jpg)
Isn't the year-end rush of 2011 what got us here?
"Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Anyone Who Threatens It"
Ken Dunwoody GOD
Henpecked Acres One Nation
14850 W. 159th St.
Olathe, Ks. 66062
(913)768-1603
kdunwoody2@aol.com
http://NOlathe.net
nolathe | December 28, 2014
United Nations
Agenda 21
And US Governments
And NGO's
Reading and studying the United Nations Agenda 21 is rather hair raising.
It is in my opinion something no one needs.
It is in my opinion something as close to communistic as anything can be without being Communistic.
It is in my opinion something as close to being organized crime or street gang as anything can be without being such.
IS THIS WHAT WE REALLY WANT RUNNING OUR COUNTRY?
Agenda 21 calls for all governments to support it, financially and with laws and rules.
All Governments means Federal, State, County and City governments.
It also means Educational Governments, State and Local School Boards, Colleges Governing bodies.
In all countries.
Okay so this Major NGO supported by half of the Worlds governing bodies now are acquiring more supporters and money and has tremendous resources to force it's will on everyone. And that means you and me. They even express their need to educate all the children and get them involved in Agenda 21. My children and your children.
Yes, the United Nations is but a very large NGO, how's that you may ask?
Our governing body's here in the US of A are voted into the office's of government, right?
Where have you registered to vote for anyone to be on the United Nations governing body?
Where are the ballot boxes to vote for membership on the United Nations governing body?
How many votes have you cast directly for any member to sit on the governing body of the UN?
There is NONE is there?
Just suppose all the street gangs across the US had a consensus to form a United Gang Organization and each Gang sent a member to lay down the rules of harassment, robbery, extortion and that each
Gang agreed to be financially responsible to this NGO ! The NGO would them be able to help less fortunate Gangs financially to obtain more weapons and technology so they could be more efficient and sustainable. Would that give them legitamacy? Hell No!
Now of course the above about gangs is fiction --- or is it?
Common Core and ObamaCare both came about by forming groups of people in a similar fashion of NGO's and through the use of out right lie, deception and in some case's through financial coercion and grants.
To bring about Common Core the Federal Government told the States they would provide millions of dollars if they would use the plan "No Child Left Behind". Basically the Federal Government got about half of the States on their fish hook. Then Common Core was connected to "No Child Left Behind" and if your state op's out you loose millions of Federal Dollars. Oh but the Federal Government says Common Core is not a Federal Program. Pardon me?
Who approved this Common Core Program? Did you vote for it?
No another group or NGO, made up of manufacture's that stand to make money off of you did, didn't they?
Who approved ObumaCare? Was there a vote? No!
Again yet another NGO or group of people that stood to make a fortune on it. How did they do it?
MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber's comments that the "stupidity of the American voter" necessitated legislators to craft the Obamacare law in such a way that voters wouldn't understand its impact. And Obama's deceit about it, only helped this NGO group didn't it?
Say what? What legislator ever read it? We know no Republicans voted on it. What is with that?
Saul Alinsky has taught us that it is not the issue that is important, it's the fight. He also taught the end justifies them means which is ass backwards to decent folks thinking. His way of saying it translates to be as dishonest and ruthless and conniving as you want. It's okay.
I.E. "Global Warming" was proven to be a big joke by the world scientist through their exposed e-mails, so now lets call it "Climate Change". Aslo we don't have to provide any Scientific Proof and we don't have to accept historical records that prove we are wrong. Why ? Because people are stupid and if we repeat the lie often enough and long enough it will be accepted at truth and un-questioned.
This is where the UN and It's Agenda 21 comes in with their consensus. Are you part of that concensus, of course not, neither am I.
Locally we have a County Government with elected officials that are suppose to be functioning in the interest of all county citizens, not some NGO or their personal friends or family. And that is what we vote in hope of getting.
We also have several School Districts with in Elk County and we vote for officials for the purpose of supporting the education of all the children with in their district, not for the purpose of supporting some NGO or only their personal friends or family.
Oh yes, I'm going to talk a bit more about the school district, but enough for now.
Until later !
And now some more about the School District
I have registered as a candidate for position 6 of the West Elk School Board USD-282.
Don't you feel it is time to stop the needless waste of taxpayer dollars?
Well I do?
Don't you think it is time for more transparency in the governing in USD-282.
Well I do?
Don't you think it is time to remove control and poor guidance in USD-282 government from an NGO?
Well I do?
If you feel like I do there are five seats open for election on the West Elk School Board, I'd like to see a turn out for new members of those seats. And it does not necessarily be me filling one of those seats. Just fill them with new people.
Fill those seats with People that don't cry:
" I guess my kids will just have to grow up and graduate with out have had the experience of playing in a new gymnasium."
Fill those seats with People that don't cry:
" I don't care how pissed off the voters get or I don't care who I piss off. "
Get rid of those that don't think they are working for you.
There is only one board member presently that I see that fits the above description and that would be Mr. Bellar.
Mr. Bellar has attempted on several occasions to start conversations of a serious nature during Board Meetings only to be ignored.
Conversations and communication is the number one function of the School Board. The state even says heated discussions are acceptable.
Conversations and communication among the seven (7) school board members is the only way to get the job done right. And that conversation should be made available to the public. So the public can be aware of how any decision is made. Transparency not secrecy is needed, don't you think.
Thank You
for
Indulging Me.
That sure is good news. Hopefully, more conservatives will be be running for office.
There are five (5) seats on the West Elk USD-282 School Board that are open to vote on come April 7th.
I am hoping for more candidates to register and I am hoping all seats are filled by new people.
Okay, one exception because Mr. Bellar has tried very hard to do the right things as a school board member.
I believe Mr. Bellar was instrumental in the removal of the previous School Superintendent. A good job Mr. Bellar.
Isn't it time to remove the good ole boys club and or Elk Konnected members from the School Board?
Or do you enjoy the wasteful spending of your tax dollars?
The latest rumors I heard today.
The first rumor is:
Supposedly Liz Hendricks was overheard saying, now that Doug Ritz is out of the way she will get Elk County back on track.
IF that is true ----
----I wonder what that means?
Do you suppose she will reactivate Elk Konnected ?
I ask about reactivation because we haven't heard or seen much of anything out of Elk Konnected have we?
Does this possibly mean the Elk County Commissioners will once again start funding Elk Konnected ?
The second rumor is:
Our Elk County Board of Commissioners may give $120,000.00 to $150,000.00 from the Wind Farm money to Elk Falls to build a teen center or family center or something of that nature.
Really?
Do we have two out of three county Kommissioners that are Konnected?
Does Elk Falls really has an interest in this type of thing or is it an Elk Konnected thing ?
I'd like to refer you back to page one of this thread.
And the new commissioner isn't even sworn in yet, what is with that? The Rumors, that is?
This coming Monday is the first day for the new commissioner, it might be worth seeing!
Back to the idea of a teen center or family center,
Longton had a teen center that was started by a couple of very good people, a preacher and his wife.
They provided a music system, a foosball table, a ping pong table, they provided a table to play games on and also balls and Frisbees and other out door games. The Preacher and his wife also provided drinks and snacks for the kids. . I even bought ice cream for all the kids on a couple of occasions. They asked for help running the teen center and received none. Where were all those Elk Konnected Volunteers to help?
The Longton teen center was closed down for lack of volunteers to help.
If the commissioners want to help a community, why not make them a loan with minimal interest, if the community really has an interest in such a thing.?
Put the onus on the community to make a commitment.
This would answer a lot of questions wouldn't it?
After all, who is going to pay for maintenance and upkeep of the installation?
Who's gonna pay the electric and water and heating bills?
Who is gonna pay for someone to run it?
I just need to ask are we a county of Marxist Socialist?
That may sound a little strong, but I can't think of any other way of asking, can you?
If they provide $150,000 to Elk Falls don't they owe the same to Longton, Moline, Grenola and
oh yea, Howard ?
We can't skip over the Howard Konnection, can we?
Howard needs money to repair their swimming pool don't they?
Fair is Fair isn't it ?
Just Food For Thought !
What is your desire as a taxpayer and voter?
Does anyone have any answers?
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Check out these video's that explain today's
Stinkin Thinkin.
The videos keep streaming one after the other. All them educated folks seem to be teaching the wrong things at their colleges, don't they?
Notice the remarks about taking taxpayer money and giving it away. Is that really a person being charitable or a person robing the taxpayer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r8B6C6YiGE&index=2&list=PLvOVyowmYcu3jMlCZ1LqMql4f20Mhnni5
Sorry I used the wrong link in the above post, try this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUhT46kx2XU&list=PLvOVyowmYcu3jMlCZ1LqMql4f20Mhnni5
Couldn't they get the County to pay for those surgeries?
The county has more taxpayer money to give away don't they?
Why steal from the kids education?
Yep, it's thievery!
They must surely be Liberal Democrats!
Buffalo schools spend $5.4 million on free plastic surgeries for teachers
January 9, 2015
BUFFALO, N.Y. – Even a $50 million budget deficit in the Buffalo school district couldn't convince members of the Buffalo Federation of Teachers to cut down on their taxpayer-funded tummy tucks, breast lifts and nose jobs.
Read the rest of the story at: http://eagnews.org/buffalo-schools-spend-5-4-million-on-free-plastic-surgeries-for-teachers-despite-massive-deficit/
(Perhaps these enhancements are to improve Sex Education Classes !)
There's a lot of "living off the government".
How many "prominent Elk County ranchers" are willing to accept the Federal drought aid? Can we say that many have already applied for government aid?
How can Republicans call themselves "conservative" when they're taking advantage and accepting government handouts and aid? They're not conservative and if elected to government office, they'll take folks' money and spend more of it.
I have worked at my own expense to provide you with documented information about West Elk USD-282
to help you make better voter decisions.
I feel I might be able to provide more transparency in the governing of the West Elk USD-282 if elected to a board position.
I don't feel Operating a public entity in secrecy is good for the voters and taxpayers or anyone for that matter.
Thank you,
Ross
Today's Elk County Commissioners Meeting
1/12/2015
Of course I am not going to cover the whole meeting, just something I think would be of interest to a few voters and property tax payers. Because it is your money being discussed! Besides, I had to leave before the end of the meeting for personal reasons.
After all this is your meeting for use of your taxes.
Commissioner Hebb was elected Chair of the Commission.
At one point during the meeting Commissioner Hebb mentioned a few county employees have not received a pay raise and asked if it was possible for them to get a Cost Of Living Allowance, a COLA.
Commissioner Hebb then made a motion to move $40,000 that is budgeted for an Economic Development Employee, which we don't have, over to the general fund for the purpose of a COLA.
Where Commissioner Liebau said, "We are contemplating hiring a new employee."
Now I have to ask who is we?
Why didn't he say what that position that would employee fill,
Who is WE? I thought he was elected to do the bidding of all the citizens of Elk County?
And that business is suppose to be done at the Board meetings very openly !
Well the Commissioner Kaminska asked, "Are you saying we don't need an Economic Development Employee."
I believe Commissioner Hebb, said we could put the money into the general fund and the put it into various departments.
Commissioner Liebau said the motion dies for lack of a second.
Commissioner Hebb then said, "I change my motion to, We talk to Harley about moving the money to the general fund."
Commissioner Liebau seconded the motion.
Commissioner Kaminiska was the only one that Opposed.
Why?
Why oppose talking to someone to learn something?
For those that don't know Harley is the County's man to go to about the budget.
He is their expert! He is the County Auditor!
Why oppose talking to him?
What good is tying up money budgeted for a position that is not filled?
Is she also contemplating hiring a new employee on her first day on the job?
If so, whom or what position are they contemplating ?
Why aren't they talking about this in this open meeting with the other commissioner?
Are Commissioner Liebau and Commissioner Kaminiska contemplating together?
Are they possibly contemplating with an
NGO ? Time will tell, won't it?It sure makes for a lot of questions don't it?
Shouldn't all these contemplation's be accomplished openly in the County Commissioners Board Meetings?
That is the purpose of Board Meetings.
Just like the next request of the County Commissioners Board?
Treasurer Rachel D. Ware supported by our County Clerk Vicky Wedman asked openly to hire either a part time or full time employee that they could share between the two departments. This would reduce overtime and provide coverage for either of the two being on vacation or attending meetings or other factors connected with their jobs.
Treasurer Rachel D. Ware and County Clerk Vicky Wedman
Terrific Job.
Keep up the good work.
Let's try a little exercise in critical thinking, shall we?
First I invite you to read this article:
12 Things You Were Not Told About Adolph Hitler
and
Nazi Germany
By DNA
Apparently not everything was totally bad about Hitler, huh?
We know all the bad he did, right?
http://topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler
Now read this article please:Similarities between Modern U.S.
And
Nazi Germany
as Told by Holocaust Survivor
January 12, 2015 By Elly Maye
"First off, the "love of socialism" in the air."
Dittman recalls Hitler coming to take over and acting as a "savior" for a country in crisis."
http://blessings.buzz/2015/01/12/similarities-between-modern-u-s-and-nazi-germany-as-told-by-holocaust-survivor/
So I ask you who is Elk County's savior?Who is Elk County's socialists?Who asks for the taxpayers dollars so they can provide free entertainment for the county's childrem?
Whoa, Isn't taking taxpayer money, even if you call it something else, and using it to give something to someone else called socialism?
If you give away $125,000 to $150,000 out of county coffers, taxpayer coffers, to benefit someone else isn't that called called socialism. Shouldn't that extra money be returned to the taxpayer in the form of lower property taxes?
If it has been proven over a number of years that paying somebody to be the County Economic Development Employee is a waste of taxpayer money, should you continue to waste taxpayer money? Who might benefit from such a waste? Give that just a little thought, please!
What has the local Chamber of Commerce accomplished as far as economic development?
Why would a county commissioner object to the idea of putting together a think tank fo merchants and community leaders to present idea's to the coumty commissioners. Is it because it would not cost the Coun ty more taxpayer money.
Just some thoughts to work on.
Does anyone have any answers?
(My remarks in parenthesis)
IKEA wants millions in corporate welfare for Memphis store
By Chris Butler | Tennessee Watchdog
MEMPHIS — An unelected board of 11 people in Memphis will soon decide whether to grant $9.5 million in tax incentives to the IKEA corporation
. (Would that by chance be an NGO considering giving away taxpayer money? Are they assuming the responsibility of Elected officials? Who the hell are they to have the final say?)Company officials want to open their first store in Tennessee and are asking city and county officials for that much in corporate welfare through its first 11 years of operation.
These unelected members belong to a joint city/county board, known as the Economic Development Growth Engine, which has the task of expanding economic development programs in Memphis and Shelby County.
Mayors from both the city and the county appoint the 11 board members.
(Is this why we elect people to serve us? So they can shirk their responsibilities by forming an NGO ? Is Elk County next to experience this exercise?)http://watchdog.org/192036/ikea/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trending_3
I do believe Elk County would be far better off if their School Boards and County Government were manned by normal hard working people who have common sense, VERSUSOver educated idiots called elites, who appear to be selfish and wasteful with taxpayers dollars, as liberals are known to do. Liberals do for themselves not for the community. They only use and manipulate the community. This is true of NGO's
as well. They have their own goals and they need the communities money to pay themselves hefty salary's.
It is proven every single day by numerous Governors, Congressmen and other liberals, all the way up to the President.
Just take a look at Yale University and their crying today because of the errors concerning ObamaCare. They were all for the liberal free junk until they got hit with much higher premiums.
Yes there are a bunch of ignorant, arrogant, educated, idiots that would say it okay for everyone else but not for us.
Guess what?
It's good for you too,
Yale ! LOLVIDEO: Harvard Professors Outraged At "Deplorable, Deeply Regressive" Changes. What Lit Their Fuse?
January 16, 2015 By Clark Holmes(http://viral.buzz/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Harvard2.jpg)
Finally, the Ivory Tower is forced to meet the real world.
For years, experts from Harvard have advised presidents and government leaders as to how to reasonably provide health care benefits to the country. Now, when the school must conform and implement that advice itself, the faculty doesn't want to eat its own cooking.
Harvard's health care enrollment guide for 2015 states that the university "must respond to the national trend of rising health care costs, including some driven by health care reform," pertaining to the Affordable Care Act.
Go read the rest of the story and view the video at:
http://viral.buzz/video-harvard-professors-outraged-at-deplorable-deeply-regressive-changes-what-lit-their-fuse/
The experts are upset
in my opinion
because they screwed themselves !
Don't you feel sorry for the over educated idiots called elites?
I bet they are very prominent in their community as well!
Quote from: ROSS on January 13, 2015, 01:56:33 PM
(My remarks in parenthesis)
IKEA wants millions in corporate welfare for Memphis store
By Chris Butler | Tennessee Watchdog
MEMPHIS — An unelected board of 11 people in Memphis will soon decide whether to grant $9.5 million in tax incentives to the IKEA corporation. (Would that by chance be an NGO considering giving away taxpayer money? Are they assuming the responsibility of Elected officials? Who the hell are they to have the final say?)
Company officials want to open their first store in Tennessee and are asking city and county officials for that much in corporate welfare through its first 11 years of operation.
These unelected members belong to a joint city/county board, known as the Economic Development Growth Engine, which has the task of expanding economic development programs in Memphis and Shelby County.
Mayors from both the city and the county appoint the 11 board members.
(Is this why we elect people to serve us? So they can shirk their responsibilities by forming an NGO ?
Is Elk County next to experience this exercise?)
http://watchdog.org/192036/ikea/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trending_3
A board of individuals appointed by the mayor to spend government funds is not an NGO, by definition actually...
Quote from: ROSS on January 13, 2015, 01:56:33 PM
(My remarks in parenthesis)
IKEA wants millions in corporate welfare for Memphis store
By Chris Butler | Tennessee Watchdog
MEMPHIS — An unelected board of 11 people in Memphis will soon decide whether to grant $9.5 million in tax incentives to the IKEA corporation. (Would that by chance be an NGO considering giving away taxpayer money? Are they assuming the responsibility of Elected officials? Who the hell are they to have the final say?)
Company officials want to open their first store in Tennessee and are asking city and county officials for that much in corporate welfare through its first 11 years of operation.
These unelected members belong to a joint city/county board, known as the Economic Development Growth Engine, which has the task of expanding economic development programs in Memphis and Shelby County.
Mayors from both the city and the county appoint the 11 board members.
(Is this why we elect people to serve us? So they can shirk their responsibilities by forming an NGO ?
Is Elk County next to experience this exercise?)
http://watchdog.org/192036/ikea/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=trending_3
Quote from: Anmar on January 17, 2015, 05:18:26 PM
A board of individuals appointed by the mayor to spend government funds is not an NGO, by definition actually...
By definition of Merriam –Webster and Wikipedia they are.
Merriam – Webster Dictionary
Definition of NGO
nongovernmental organization
Merriam – Webster Dictionary
NGO abbreviation
Learner's definition of NGO
nongovernmental organization
Non-governmental organization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-governmental_organization
A non-governmental organization (NGO) is the term commonly used for an organization that is neither a part of a government nor a conventional for-profit business.
I assume you are applying semantics in the some sort of politically correct way.
But just the same, the way I have applied NGO is correct !
Because people appointed and organized by government are not elected officials nor government hired employees, therefore an NGO. Which leaving the elected officials not doing what they are elected to do.
Either way it is just semantics.
Merriam – Webster Dictionary
se·man·tics noun plural but singular or plural in construction \si-ˈman-tiks\
: the study of the meanings of words and phrases in language
: the meanings of words and phrases in a particular contextTherefore the way I have applied NGO is correct !
On the College Campus
Educated ? ? ?
You don't want to miss this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4RdvZKc_I0#t=172
If by politically correct you mean actual usage, then yes. A government committee can not be non-governmental. Just because they are not elected doesn't mean they are not a government entity. They are part of the government!
Quote from: Anmar on January 17, 2015, 07:47:29 PM
If by politically correct you mean actual usage, then yes. A government committee can not be non-governmental. Just because they are not elected doesn't mean they are not a government entity. They are part of the government!
The people we are discussing are an un-elected board organized by two separate governing entities, they are not a part of a government. Therefore a non-governmental organization.
We elect our governing officials for positions, such as City governments, County Governments, School Board Governments, State Governments and National Government. The governing body hires people to do maintenance and repairs and taxing and various jobs which makes them government employees. That does not make them the government. We elect people to govern.
Ross, pay attention to the quoted article...
In my original post, I quoted an article you linked discussing an IKEA in memphis. You then referred to the memphis group as an NGO, which they are not.
You all haven't had someone to talk to in so long you forgot how to read!!
Quote from: Anmar on January 18, 2015, 05:41:03 PM
Ross, pay attention to the quoted article...
In my original post, I quoted an article you linked discussing an IKEA in memphis. You then referred to the memphis group as an NGO, which they are not.
You all haven't had someone to talk to in so long you forgot how to read!!
LOL Oh durn did I goof !
I'm not even gonna check, I believe you !
I must be human or something ! LOL
I still standby my original post.
I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are.
I thank you for waking me up.
Have yourself a good night.
Quote from: redcliffsw on January 19, 2015, 06:32:19 AM
Because the collections are mandated by federal law . . . . . . . .
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article7245926.html
Very convoluted and lacks transparency!
But sure seems to pay extra large wages to some people?
Apparently it is impossible to follow the dollar.
Sorta like a County Commissioner wanting to give $120,000 to $150,000 out of County Coffers to a community, a town instead of returning money to taxpayers and lowering property tax.
It is not the job of county government taxing entity to provide money, to give money away to the towns, they have their own governments taxing entities.
Is this possibly an attempt at the big idea from page one of this thread:
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
If not an attempt to do this with Elk Falls and Possibly precursor of 10's thousands of dollars from the county to Howard to repair their swimming pool what is the purpose of crossing the lines between county and city governments. Was this possibly a campaign promise as rumored on the street?
Food for thought !
I agree with you.
I am on facebook where I only have about 50 contacts. Most of which are nieces, nephews, great nieces, great nephews and a few cousins. I do not have 200, 300 or 600 people on my facebook because that makes absolutely no sense to me.
These family members of mine are spread across the country. From Seattle,Wa to Tampa, Fl and from Helena, Mt to Houston, Tx and to Hawaii.
The biggest pleasure I get from my facebook, are the pictures of newborn great, great nieces and nephews and having the ability of watching videos ad they grow up, and some are in high school bands, cheerleaders while some are graduating from diapers. This technology is terrific if used properly.
The same applies to government, government could also be terrific it were used properly.
The reason, I talk about facebook and government in the same post is because just about everyone on my facebook is upset with our present liberal President and with government in general from the smallest to the largest governments. I have discussed this with my facebook relatives and the questioned was raised how do we fix government?
I told them my thought is to start in your own back yard, you start at home.
You get involved on a personal level, you get the progressive liberal elite's that want to feel important but don't know how to do it with out some grand scheme that requires spending some one else's money, you get them out of office. If you can get people that believe in not overspending, people that believe in not being in debt to the extreme, you would be getting a good start. I would also look for someone that is not easily impressed by titles and would believe anything they are told, just because of a title such a Governor. Once you empower your local people with the truth, you are making progress in the proper fashion. And with the truth, the openness, the transparency you command respect for all the people, not just the "Old Guard" or the "New NGO". In fact you don't need the conniving, that may come from either one.
We have seen how well the educated and the supposedly elite have shown their smarts haven't we?
The West Elk School Board has recently wasted $30 - $40,000 and perhaps more of the Educational funds that were taxpayer dollars for educating children, wasted it on someone's pipe dream. The writing on the wall was very clear that the taxpayers and voters were not interested in building any more school buildings. So they tried to pull a ruse, they called it extensions and they spent your children's money hand over fist. The paid to run a survey and chose to ignore it results, concerning the extensions. Even that was a ruse! They did not allow for a "NO" on the survey.
The supposedly elite have shown their smarts by thinking you were to dumb to catch on to their ruse, their trickery, didn't they?
They got upset with the voters and cried, "I guess my children will have to grow up with out the pleasure of ever playing in a brand new gymnasium!" Don't you think that was the main goal of the last Bond Issue, a new gymnasium? Not so much classrooms or storm shelters, was it?
Don't you reckon that could have been the main reason for shutting down the grade schools.
The board said the reason for shutting down both grade schools was that it would not be fair to bus the Severy children to Moline, remember that? Well I now hear through the grapevine they are now busing them to the Moline Grade School to practice in the gymnasium there. What happened to not being fair to bus them to Moline? What happened to the school board claiming that the teachers were their expert? What happened to the fact that the head coach said to put up the center safety net across the West Elk Gymnasium and they would be fine?
This school board showed how smart they were when the decided to put a crown on the football field for the sole purpose of looking more like a professional sports field. No bids were taken, no contracts written for $7000.00 worth of dirt and labor. Where is the business sense in that? Well they were delivered dirt, dirt that was a great deal of clay and large rocks and large roots. Such a good deal, huh? When the board was informed of the fiasco, a board member said, "We will have to check our contract and see what recourse we have". Huh, how dumb a remark is that? You had no contract and you knew that. Oh I see, you think everyone in Elk County is dumb enough to buy that lie. Not to smart, in my opinion. You barely discussed dirt and you drew up no plans, you didn't take bids and no contract, so dirt is what you got instead of top soil. A Really Very Smart Bunch. The purpose of the board is to have discussions, which would have prevented this screw-up. But, why is there a need for a professional sports coliseum at a poor counties, equally poor school ground. Over 50% of Children through the US are on free of reduced price meals.
That is poor !
Why does a school with those kind of conditions have to behave like a rich snobbish school That has unlimited funding?
Why?
With an overall grade for the school for education being Average why aren't improvements in education instead of sports ? Is it Possibly for someone's personal ego ?
Everyone in my opinion should be asking a whole lot of questions, everyone has that right, whether you have children in school of not. The only real requirement is that you are a voter and or a taxpayer in the school district.
If you care, run for School board or have a friend run for school board. It's time to make changes, isn't it ?
You can do the job. And it is only once a month.
You only have a week to get registered and an opportunity to make a difference.
A real difference ! A difference of honesty!
Look what they have to say about the
elite man worth 50 Million dollars ?
Is this is any way to talk about the
elite?Do you still think you need the
elite's of Elk County to govern for you?
Seven FACTUAL Reasons Michael Moore is an Ignorant Ass!
Deep down, you know that Michael Moore is a dishonest, gelatinous sack of goo. We all do. Especially in recent light of his comments about American Snipers being "cowards." But if you're looking for a factual basis to justify your disdain for the rotund dummy, here are seven factual reasons proving that Michael Moore is in fact, a walking bag of human excrement.
1. He lied in his very first documentary, "Roger and Me," about never receiving an interview with Roger Smith (CEO of General Motors). "Shut out by the corporations", the plump profiteer declared! Thing is, Moore did speak with Roger Smith ... at great length actually, but it was left on the cutting room floor.
2. He used a million dollar tax credit to restore an old theatre in Traverse City, MI. You know, instead of actually paying his 1%'er taxes. Livin' high on the hog – scratch that – this hog lives high.
And what they say continues to get worse, yet.
Read more at: http://louderwithcrowder.com/seven-factual-reasons-michael-moore-ignorant-ass/
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Hey folks you have until noon tomorrow
to register for the West Elk USD-282
School Board Election of April 7, 2015.
Let's get some Common Sense
on the
School Board.
I have been told only a couple of people have registered.
There are 5 of the positions open to fill.
If you would like to have a say in how your property taxes are used now is the time to do just that.
Get to the County Court House and get registered by noon tomorrow.
The highly educated and elite have shown you, ya don't have to have a college education to do the job, nor do you have to have money. Common Sense is what is needed !
Get involved for a good cause.
The Cause is your children's education and about your property taxes being wasted on half baked ideas.
It sure does appear that the voters and property taxpayers of the West Elk USD-282 want to continue with the Status Quo of school government.
Let me break that down for you, the same old Bull Shit--- that's Status Quo --- yes, that's what it is!
You do have myself and one other person that I understand that is running that are not Status Quo.
We need more that are not Status Quo, don't we?
Have any of you folks in the USD-282 noticed any reduction in your overall property tax?
Have you?
I haven't !
Why do you suppose that is?
Taxpayers in Elk County outside of the West Elk School District have noticed a reduction in their property tax.
Why not the West Elk School District, you may ask?
Well it's because the West Elk School District doesn't think you deserve the tax break provided by the County Commissioners and suck it right up !
Why do they do this you may ask?
So they can build a professional sports arena?
That's right, it's not for education but for more sports.
Is that what education is about?
Soaking the taxpayer?
Building a professional type sports arena?
Well, if you think the Status Quo has done enough damage find someone,
anyone you can trust and get them to run for the West Elk School Board.
And do a write in for them on April 7th. And get them elected to slow down the leech that keeps bleeding you.
I am going to try to get a map of the voting districts of the West Elk School District and when I do I will post for you.
Have you heard the Elk County Commissioner's had their Monday meeting Videoed?
It's a trial run with an inexpensive camera, so I have been told the video may not be real clear.
After all it's a test run. I have also been told it should be posted on the county web site sometime in the next 48 hours.
There is only one break in the video where they went into executive session, which can not be recorded.
Other than that it is a raw video. Which means public meetings can not or shall not be altered, that's the law.
I say Kudo's Commissioners that is a move into the 21st century and a great move towards more transparency.
Why hasn't West Elk School Board done the same thing?
My opinion is they don't want transparency that's why!
They claimed you and I don't understand the importance of technology.
I think they got it wrong don't you? It is they that fail in the use of technology.
Another citizen and myself have both asked Matt Hilton, who was acting President of the School Board to video and place the Video on the School Web Site and he said they could do that. That was when the School Board was video recording their propaganda show, to try to get you to pass their School Bond? The School Superintendent mad sure there was never more than 3 board members on the stage so it could not be considered a School Board Meeting. And the Superintendent told me they had the video edited for showing. Nice huh!
But, I guess the School Board doesn't want you to see them pigging out on the cookies and meat and cheese that is on the table. And I'm sure Mr. Hilton would not have wanted you to hear his remarks about how his children would have to grow up and graduate with out experiencing the pleasure of playing in a brand new gymnasium, especially in the crying and angry voice he used. Or the really angry voice he used when saying he didn't care how angry he made the voters.
I spoke with the School Superintendent about videoing the School Board meetings and he said they would have to hire someone to do the job and pay to have the video edited. That is just plain wrong. We have a Computer Technician on the payroll full time and he videoed the propaganda show for the School Board. And he is required to be at the School Board meetings, so no hiring is needed. Next by law videos of public meeting are not to be edited. Oh, another argument is that the videos would have to be saved and stored and take up a lot of space. Wait a minute now, have you heard of the little tiny 128 GB memory cards and the ability to compress files? A 128 GB memory card can hold up to 1920 minutes or 32 hours of video. And possibly much more based on several factors including file compression ratio. Three or four meetings could easily be placed on one memory card. The memory cards are 1 ¼" X 1" X 1/16" which takes up very little space.
So you see their excuses don't hold water. They could, with all that expensive technology and power do a live feed so you could watch the meeting live in your living room. You pay for all that technology, don't you think you are entitled to have a few hours of it used for you. It would not interfere with School usage because the meeting takes place after school hours, usually starting a 6:30 p.m.
On January 27th while at the Elk County Court House, I asked for a copy of the three (3) voting districts for the West Elk School Board Seats. They informed me that the school administration had not provided them with one. They were told the maps were on order.
Son on January 29th I stopped by the West Elk District office on my way to Howard to buy some groceries.
I asked for a copy of the voting map and was informed they are still on order and that they would call me when they come in.
What was it two (2) years or four (4) years ago they asked the voters to allow the change from six (6) voting districts to (3) voting districts. How long does it require to get a simple job like this done?
Oh well, there is no alternative but to be patient.
Maybe, they will get the job done before Election Day.
Oh, before posting this I can't remember for sure if it was Longton or Elk Falls meals asked for volunteers to help out.
Now, I'm wondering if
Elk Konnected with all of their
followers and
volunteers have stepped forward to help out?
If not, how come they have tried to demand that other people volunteer to work for them?
And how about their Strong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!"Is it a lie?
Wouldn't that volunteering on their part support their Vision Statement of Superior Lifestyle ?
Or do they really care, since there is no money in it for them?If that is the case
What a waste !
Howdy, howdy folks what a beautiful day it was today huh.
Well, I went to the County Commissioners meeting yesterday and plum forgot there was a West Elk School Board meeting and I missed it.
Before the County Commissioners meeting got started there was talk about giving a hand out to the county cities. Yep, that's right The County may go liberal and socialists. I heard a remark that there is two or three hundred thousand dollars sitting in a savings account doing nothing. Whoa, wait a minute ---- doing nothing? How about making more money. Oh well, I guess it is wasted money by that way of thinking!
Back to that giving money away --- that would be money from this year wind farm P.I.L.O.T. MONEY and who knows how many hundreds of thousands of dollars they may be considering giving away.
It really isn't the job of the County to make up for the short falls of the communities leaders is it?
The county government should return taxpayers money and let the cities or towns tax their people to get the money. Then there is real accountability and no chance of money getting lost of misplaced or whatever.
Who is doing the budgeting for these people? Why aren't they smart enough to budget a small amount each year for long term repairs. Roads wear out; swimming pools wear out and should be budgeted for. Don't you think? Money tends to burn holes in peoples pockets, doesn't it?
I guess a little or a lot of money burns holes in some people's pockets, just my thoughts. If we can't spend it frivolously we should give it away, right?
If the county doesn't want the tax money and save it for future use in a savings account, where it can make more money, give it back to the taxpayer.
Oh, I know the county gave us a tax break and perhaps a few people in the county saw a reduction in their property tax bill. But those that live with in the West Elk School District didn't because the West Elk School district raised our property taxes. If the County stops the yearly tax break I think, you will feel the West Elk School District tax real well.
I feel that the policy of the West Elk School Board is to tax, tax, and tax. In fact at one school board meeting I heard the President of the School Board stated he didn't care how pissed off the taxpayers get. Yes, he was referring to yours and my property tax.
It appears the people that are on these boards have the same mind set or as Elk Konnected called like-mindedness about tax dollars as those elected officials in Washington D.C.
In D.C. it's Raise the Debt Ceiling and spend, spend.
Same thing here in Elk County just keep Spending and Spending and Raise The Tax Ceiling, same-o-same.
Just look at the Tens of Thousands the School Board wasted on Architectures when they knew the taxpayers had already gave them a loud and clear message about a bond issue just a couple of years before this final attempt.
Why do they feel they need to live beyond their means?
Does the word budget mean anything other than raise taxes?
I'm sure everyone has heard about Kansas's financial problems and how they are cutting funding to the schools again. It's called piss poor planning and doesn't show much intelligence does it. It is poor business principles.
TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) — Kansas voters who re-elected a Republican governor known for aggressive tax cutting are learning that the state won't solve its serious budget problems without putting a normally sacrosanct asset in the crosshairs — its state-of-the-art highway system.
Gov. Sam Brownback and the GOP-dominated Legislature this past week worked out plans for closing a $344 million deficit and allowing the state to pay its bills on time into the summer. The plans included cuts to predictable targets, such as education spending and public pension contributions, but also diverted money from highway projects, which are especially prized by the governor's rural supporters.
http://news.yahoo.com/kansas-budget-problems-touching-cherished-highway-system-180529684--politics.html
I betting the state will need more money from any direction they can get it from. Don't ya reckon?
What comes to mind for me is the Wind Farms!
Think about that for a minute! What then? No more Wind Farm money for Elk County, that's what!
And property taxes will be increased again.
If the state decides to tax the Wind Farms what do you reckon might happen to our P.I.L.O.T. MONEY?
My bet is the State will most likely tax them for a whole lot more than the miserable $1 million paid in
P.I.L.O.T. MONEY that Elk County gets.
That's enough ranting and raving for tonight.
I want to talk a bit more about the County Commissioners meeting but will wait a day or two.
I wish a good night to everyone.
I said, I wanted to discuss something else that happened at the County Commissioners meeting.
A person showed up from yet another NGO (Non Governing Organization) called Project 17 and ran off a spiel so fast I could not keep up with writing my notes. They really aren't much different than Elk Konnected in my opinion! Because they use Other Peoples Money and they would amount to nothing without governments involvement, er, I mean without taking advantage of local governments. Consider just what does Elk County do as a member of Project 17 besides lend it's name to the project providing the minimum of prestige to the NGO? But you see if you get enough inactive governments names involved the prestige grows and how dare anyone question it.
What I could note from the spiel si that Project 17 has a marketing firm working for them. There was no name of the Marketing firm provided or what the Marketing Firm is accomplishing for them. Why is that? There never is any explanations of accomplishing anything, why?
Project 17 spiel is basically the sane as every other NGO:
1. Get everyone to work together.
2. Talk about Work Force
3. Talk about Poverty
4. Family Dynamics
5. Economic Development
6. Quality of Life
7. Entrepreneur
8. Employee Relation Problems
9. Education
10. A person can not Telecomute with out high speed internet
But they never mention how they intend to accomplish anything or if anything has been accomplished why? Are they gonna provide inexpensive high speed internet? Are they gonna get someone to provide high speed internet to a very small percentage of Elk County's 2700 population? Hell no! Why ? Because there is not enough population to make it profitable. But they won't tell you that.
Will they discuss the fact that there really isn't much of a work force in Elk County?
No Elk County doesn't mean anything to them except just another name on their roster.
This particular person threw out a few more words:
Drug abuse
And that kids learn by the age of three to grow up and run away from this place and it is difficult to change that attitude when they graduate from high school. So they are starting a contest for kids to make video's to show why kids should stay here.
Why do all these NGO's always seem to use kids in one way or another?
I mean this organization claims to have hired a Marketing Firm so why ask the kids to do the marketing via a contest? Is it because the adults are to lazy to do the work, to do the thinking so use the kids?
This NGO has acquired Federal Grants and State recognition:
Call for unity resonates at Southeast Kansas economic summit
Senators organize effort to improve region's quality of life
By Jim McLean | November 21, 2011
"If we can make this work, it's going to be utopia,"
Read at: http://www.khi.org/news/article/southeast-kansas-economic-summit/#sthash.CbGANEQY.dpuf
Posted on: August 1, 2012
'Project 17' initiative receives nearly $1 million federal grant
Read at: http://www.kansascommerce.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=662
Project 17 @Project17United
$4 million was awarded to 15 Kansas cities and counties for community improvement projects!
Why aren't our cities receiving any of this grant money?
Why isn't Howard receiving any of this grant money to repair their swimming Pool and their streets.
Why isn't Project helping Elk County?
Read at: http://twsproject17.org/project-17-2/
Just how does Elk County benefit by lending it's name to this NGO "Project 17" ?
Or does Elk County pay some kind of dues to belong to this non-performing NGO ?
Non-performing for Elk County at any rate!
And like any other NGO certain people have to be paid a salary, but you just don't get told how much they are paid! I guess if the job is a function in one of the 17 counties at least one county benefits from that salary.
Position Announcement
Project 17 Executive Director
(This has got to be a well paid position, possibly 6 figures, don't you reckon?)
The candidate should possess a bachelor's degree in Public Administration, Community or Regional
Planning, Economic Development, Business Administration or other relevant educational background. A
minimum of seven years of experience in the position's primary responsibilities is expected as is in
region residency during employment.
. Fulfillment of these tasks involves working with
regional leaders, local elected officials, development professionals, volunteers, and business entities throughout the region and beyond to create and/or retain jobs, train future regional leaders, improve public health metrics as well as plan for future economic growth within the region.
(I think they mean you should be smart enough to manipulate and dupe elected officials)
Salary will be commensurate with experience and qualifications. Employment and health benefits will be
in accordance with those offered to Kansas State University unclassified employees.
This Project 17 has been in operation since 2011 and what have they accomplished except for using Other Peoples Money. And providing some of that money to a few communities for road repair and such. The very same money the communities could have applied for and requested for community development/improvement grants.
I'm just wondering why people are such saps for Organizations?
What of any enduring accomplishment has any NGO done for Elk County?
I can't think of a single thing.
Oh, did I mention Governor Brownback is involved in the NGO Project 17 and look where Kansas Financial situation is thanks to him. Now they are cutting school funds again.
Of course all of this is just my thoughts and opinions. Nothing more!
I hope everyone manages to stay warm and healthy during this cycling weather.
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Ross, you're right on about the Non-Governmental Organizations (NGO's).
They're socialists so it should understandable why any county commissioner would have anything to do with them. They're like-minded. People know their people.
West Elk USD #282 Board of Education,
Howard, Kansas
School Board Meeting Tuesday 2/17/2015
7:00 PM
West Elk School Library
(Called the Media Room by the School)
Holding meeting between basketball games.
Acceptance/Rejection of HVAC/Roof Bids.
Acceptanc/Rejection Lease Agreement with First Neodesha Bank
For Roof and AC's bank quoted $856,000 and 5, 7 and 10 year loans at various interest rates and the one that stuck out was 3.25%.
The bid I heard from contractors was $1,467,000 to be borrowed from the First Neodesha Bank.
While Mr. Bellar was trying to get a discussion going, in my opinion the discussion was rudely interrupted by
Elk Konnected Board Member Whetstone with a motion to accept the banks offering and I believe he said 5 years. They just don't allow for discussion or communication in my opinion. Shouldn't there be a discussion about the length of the loan and interest rates.
I think they were more interested in closing the meeting so they could return to the gym for the next basketball game. The meeting on lasted about 20 minutes and apparently wasn't important enough for more time.he School Superintendent kept saying the board could keep raising property taxes. The amounts mentioned were 3 mil, 4 mil and up to 7 and 8 mil.
The Superintendent told the board 4 mill is worth $101,000 total.So yea folks, in the West Elk School District prepare for much higher property taxes.
These people have no respect for you, as far as taxing the hell out of you.
What happened to that 1,000,000 Dollars they had just a few years ago?
Why didn't these people take the advice of the university 2 or 3 years ago when they had the 1,000,000 Dollars and contract the job over the last two or three years when the job would have cost approximately 1,000,000 Dollars.
Oh, I remember they wanted to build a professional sports complex.
Just look at the following minutes I copied and pasted from the Schools Web site:
MINUTES-of the regular Monday, December 8, 2014 meeting of the West Elk USD
#282 Board of Education, Howard, Kansas at 7:45 p.m. following the Elementary Music Program.
At 7:45 p.m.,
After discussion Whetstone moved to accept the bids presented (#1682 Seeding,
Spraying, Labor & Equipment - $8,350.00; #1631 Irrigation, Labor & Equipment
$14,150.00 and #1681 Annual Maintenance Agreement $2506.00) for a total of
$25,006.00. Walker seconded and motion passed. (5-1) (Black voted no)
3. Bids from Sunflower Farms for dirt work to the baseball field were reviewed.
Why do high school kids need a $25,006.00 professional football field, they are not professional players, are they?
So are they gonna pay the same amount to make the baseball field professional too?
Oh well you folks that are called taxpayers apparently have more money than you need.
You know what? I worked in maintenance for several companies!
And if I would have ever told my employer I wanted to hire someone else at company expense to do my job, I would have been fired.
Why do we pay for maintenance employees and have to pay someone else to do maintenance?
Be sure to Thank the Liberals for ex·or·bi·tant property taxes coming your way.I was about to say that the County can't keep up with West Elk USD-282 in Taxation and waste.
But I may be wrong. There is talk around the County Court House of giving away taxpayers dollars. Yea, give a few hundred thousand to the cities. We are becoming a liberal socialistic county from my view point.Just as bad as those elected folks in Washington D. C.
Are we going to [progress to one unified centrally located government as pointed out on page one of this thread? Well it sure looks like it's going that way.
It is not the County's job to provide any m oney to the cities, no more than it is the City governments to provide money to the county.
Think a little bit about what is going on here at home.
It's beginning to look like the county might be paying for repairs to Howards swimming pool thanks to Konnected Kounty Kommissioners.
Elk Konnected and other NGO's post signs and preach about positive attitudes.
But they never define what that is.
To me it has came across to ignore the negative that happens in life.
And that my friends is not a positive attitude.
Nothing can be accomplished by ignoring the negative.
Now I will attempt to explain myself.
BEING POSITIVE DOESN'T MEAN IGNORING THE NEGATIVE. BEING POSITIVE MEANS OVERCOMING THE NEGATIVE.
That's right, you must recognize and deal with the negative to over come the negative for a positive outcome.
If you ignore the negative you can not achieve a Positive out come.
Because the negative will come out and bite you in the butt.
It is not a positive to spend other peoples money to gain recognition, or to use other peoples money to pay yourself an income. By that, I mean raising peoples taxes, so you can beg for more for yourself. That is a super big negative in my humble opinion.
Personally, I have never begged for money or anything else.
I have always worked and paid my own way. Always.
In my opinion NGO's can do the same thing.
The Girl Scouts and the Boy Scouts earn their money.
If children can do it, so can NGO's instead of being leeches on society.
I am still out here folks, I've just been very busy with personal stuff.
I wish to reassure you I am still interested in becoming your School Board Member
and to represent you and not some NGO -Non Governmental Organization of so called educated elites and that is self serving at best.
Show me how these so called educated elites have served you?
I have shown you how they have wasted thousands and thousands of taxpayer dollars that were intended for educating children, so I ask you show me how they have improved the educational standards of West Elk by wasting all that money.
Please I really want to know just how I am wrong.
Thank You.
I would like to know why my taxes for USD 282 General increased by 128.30 %.
Next on the list is Rolling Prairie Extension, 66.38% .
Just curious.
By the way, what is Rolling Prairie Extension?
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 03, 2015, 05:51:40 AM
By the way, what is Rolling Prairie Extension?
(What I have been able to find is the following and I have inserted my personal opinion in this fashion with brackets and blue lettering and occasional red lettering.)Rolling Prairie District - Home www.rollingprairie.ksu.edu/
The Rolling Prairie District covers Chautauqua and Elk Counties and is a great resource for finding the information you need. Extension programs present useful information related to agriculture, home economics, youth development, family life, business and economics, healthy living, and much more. We take programs to schools, gardens, community centers, and other places.
(Most of this information is available by doing a simple search of the internet, and usually there are numerous sources available on the internet. So I really don't see where taxpayer money is needed to provide this info,)Our philosophy is to help people help themselves by taking university knowledge to where people live, work, play, develop, and lead. We work at being responsive to the needs of the people by focusing our resources on providing quality information, education and problem-solving programs for real concerns. With locations in Sedan and Howard, we're here to help answer your questions about Crops and Livestock, 4-H & Youth Development, Lawn & Gardens, and Health & Nutrition.
(It seems everyone has a philosophy to help people help themselves if there is a government handout of taxpayer money, But where are the results of such expensive help?)A community's sustainability depends on its long-term ability to meet residents' needs. One of our goals at K-State Research and Extension is to provide technical assistance and evidence-based programs to citizens who want to make sure their communities survive and prosper.
(Utilizing the very same talking points that are cliche with all taxpayer money grubbing beggar NGO's !)K-State Research and Extension can play a key role in helping people create a vision across traditional geographical, sociological, and political boundaries. As Henry Ford said "Coming together is a beginning; keeping together is progress; working together is success."
(There is that "Vision" thing again that NGO's like to freely used with no meat to it. LOL)
(Despite the lucrative government contracts, Henry Ford refused to participate in FDR's 1933 National Recovery Act. (Let's not forget that Ford Motors was the only "big-three" automaker to decline the recent government bailout.)(Henry Ford Quote: "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand
our banking and monetary system, for if they did
I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning."
And yet we continue to do the same old things.)Statements and Disclosureshttp://www.k-state.edu/disclosures/
Kansas State University has compiled various resources for prospective students, current students, employees, parents, and the community about Kansas State University in accordance with the Higher Education Opportunity Act (2008) and other federal/state regulatory agencies.
The information has been divided into 11 categories for easier navigation, and provides links to specific web sites or downloadable reports. Any questions or comments regarding the information presented on any of these pages may be sent to kstate@k-state.edu or 785-532-6224.
(They say, "provides links to specific web sites or downloadable reports", I say big deal, do a google search.)
(From what I can discover Rolling Prairie is nothing more than any other NGO except it is a University Program funded by State and Federal Money. Money that could have perhaps could have gone to local districts, especially since the state wants to keep cutting taxpayer funding to the school districts.)(Rolling Prairie has been around apparently since 2008, but 4-H has been around since Clark County, Ohio, in 1902. Rolling Prairie lists 4-H on their web site I guess only as a form of information. You know, like calling the information operator on your telephone. They tell you what the 4 H's stand for and have a calendar about 4-H. But these days just about everyone has their own web site so just what their involvement is eludes me. I don't see where Elk County has benefited fro the taxpayer dollars the University has received.)
(They also have a Community Development Web page --- but don't all of the thousands of NGO's ? They Simply want to give you advice for your local Government business that is readily available by doing a few google searches ca accomplish as long as they can collect your taxes.(They seem to have forgot Economic Development for some reason. But I'm sure their Economics is fine from receiving taxpayer dollars through State and Federal Funding.)(But I don't see any real or tangible benefits for communities other than lollipops and rousing advertisement for their own movement.
(Like most self interest groups they look out for their bottom line. The bottom line is the taxpayers dollar.)
The following map is West Elk USD-282 Voting Districts Map.
There are no numbers to indicate which is District 1, District 2 or District 3.
Unless I missed the labels.
We voted 2 years ago to permit for three districts vs. six districts and the School District just now received this map. I mean come on two years to get a simple map made. And not even numbered that I can find. I picked my copy up at noon today and here it is for you.
I am running for District 3, position 3 as L.W. "Ross". I live just west of Moline therefore we can determine that gray section to be district 3.
The edges of the map have been slightly trimmed because it was to large to go through my scanner. Also the printing is blurred because that is the way I received it.
I hope some of you find this information helpful.
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Yes, I'm running for a seat on the West Elk USD-282 School Board and for all the right reasons.
Yes, I care about Elk County and I feel Elk County Citizens and taxpayers deserve better treatment than the old Status Quo has provided.
Some people don't appreciate the truth or the facts. I do!
Over time, I have tried to provide information for you, so you could follow what is going on in Elk County and the West Elk School District. And at my own expense.
I just added a folder of Elk County property tax levies.
There is plenty of information so if you live in the West Elk School District you can figure out for yourself where the tax break the County gave you went. This information also includes Townships, Towns and Graveyard mil levies. This information was provided politely by our County Clerk after I filled out a Freedom of Information Act form. Vicky Wedman has been a pleasure to work with.
The information is in pdf form and is too cumbersome to post on the forum so I put it on box.com. Consequently you must use the following links to open the files.
You might want to make a copy of this list for future use.
Elk County Levy Sheets
https://app.box.com/s/wlxjwq9w7hh0of1z4zwl6a21bu18tjhs
Voice Commisioners 11215 (This was about reading a rather insulting e-mail about the county on county property.)
https://app.box.com/s/0lw94u09oz6dlwjbvolyckbulxgobcpg
USD-282 BOARD-POLICY-HANDBOOK-2014
https://app.box.com/s/5yo4tw5lnq2wsjkgxfhc
West Elk USD-282 Audit for 2013-2014
https://app.box.com/s/nv226xjjex8i09jjh31h
Piper Jaffery Financial Handout to the West Elk School Board
https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
Elk USD 282 Public Records Information
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Elk County - County Commissioners Meeting
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
West Elk 2013-2014
https://app.box.com/s/2ta0qvzhyr5ccjbsjd8g
West Elk School Board Meeting Minutes
https://app.box.com/s/wrijzyhypzpyax277lws
West Elk Site Council Minutes
https://app.box.com/s/ygfe3vb5zn3axjoqako0
USD 282 District Voters Map
https://app.box.com/s/9cekwbl6em74rrlvx4dspfjwxcbv5mq0
Common Core Map
https://app.box.com/s/i7963tn15u8wtsl9cvlg
West Elk USD-282 Board Positions by Date of Election 3-24-14
https://app.box.com/s/6h3vni6q1k0oeukhxo9j
282-DISTRICT_PROFILE
https://app.box.com/s/dfa6e0brszd2ru3yqe3j
I hope some of you find this information useful.
Good Night Everyone.
"A community's sustainability depends on its long-term ability to meet residents' needs. One of our goals at K-State Research and Extension is to provide technical assistance and evidence-based programs to citizens who want to make sure their communities survive and prosper."
Whatever happened to "self-sufficiency" in America? K-State says that you can't make it without their direction. Send them your money to support Rolling Prairie District. Pay now.
Quote from: redcliffsw on March 05, 2015, 08:00:23 AM
"A community's sustainability depends on its long-term ability to meet residents' needs. One of our goals at K-State Research and Extension is to provide technical assistance and evidence-based programs to citizens who want to make sure their communities survive and prosper."
Whatever happened to "self-sufficiency" in America? K-State says that you can't make it without their direction. Send them your money to support Rolling Prairie District. Pay now.
It is all about collecting Government (taxpayer dollars) to give themselves another income.
That's all as I see in it.
They provide a lot of word service called advice.
But advice that is readily available on the internet for free.
All it takes is a little research and common sense.
A farmer told me that he gets his ag advice down at the coffee shop.
WEST ELK - USD 282
VOTE
" ROSS "
I question everything!
FOR
SCHOOL BOARD
Tens of thousands of of tax payer dollars have been squandered by the present
School Board.
I am not a member of the Progressive Liberal Elite Citizenry responsible for such waste.
They apparently believe they need to spend wastefully
and tax
the tax payer into oblivion.
Not me!
I am you!
A very interesting survey, I think every School Board member should give some thought to these questions!
School Board Candidate Questionnaire
ACADEMICS
Yes No 1. Do you believe schools should give primary emphasis to
teaching basic skills (e.g. reading, grammar, spelling, arithmetic)
rather than social or psychological matters?
Yes No 2. Do you support the use of intensive, systematic phonics to
teach first-grade children how to read?
Yes No 3. Do you support the goal that children should be able to read by
the end of the first grade?
Yes No 4. Do you support the teaching of abstinence as the norm for
unmarried teenagers and as the only truly effective way to
prevent sexually-transmitted diseases?
Yes No 5. Do you believe the topics of homosexuality and alternative
lifestyles should be excluded from the classroom?
Yes No 6. Do you support teaching that the use of illegal drugs and the
unlawful use of alcohol are "wrong"?
Yes No 7. Do you reject classroom instruction that downgrades American
sovereignty, limited constitutional government, or private
enterprise?
POLICY
Yes No 8. Do you support local control of education, with accountability
through the local school board, rather than federal control
exercised through federal and state bureaucracies and business
partnerships?
Yes No 9. Do you reject federal control of curriculum through the Goals
2000 and School-to-Work laws?
Yes No 10. Do you oppose the establishment of school-based health clinics,
which may perform examinations, provide immunizations and
medications, and dispense birth control devices and abortion
referrals, without parental consent or knowledge?
Yes No 11. Do you oppose the collection and maintenance of data on
student health, performance, attitudes, behavior, and family, as
well as academics, in computerized databases?
Yes No 12. Do you oppose allowing the school district to deduct money
from the paychecks of school employees and forward it to
political funds without the annual written consent of each
employee?
PARENTS' RIGHTS
Yes No 13. Do you believe in the fundamental right of parents to direct the
upbringing and education of their children?
Yes No 14. Do you support a school board policy allowing parents the right
to inspect and review instructional materials and methods?
Yes No 15. Do you support a school board policy forbidding psychological
evaluations, testing, treatment, or physical examinations of
students without prior written parental consent?
Yes No 16. Do you believe parental consent should be required prior to
giving information and care to students regarding sexuality and
reproductive health?
Yes No 17. Do you oppose requiring students to answer nosy
questionnaires about sex, drugs, suicide, and family behavior
without prior written parental consent?
Yes No 18. Do you support the right of parents to homeschool their
children?
MAIL TO: Eagle Forum • P.O. Box 618 • Alton, IL 62002 • 618-462-5415
Something for thought.
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Sometimes we need to look backward to the good ole days and remember what made them the good old days, in order to move forward.Those were the days we took responsibility for our actions.
Good Old Boys
Old Guard
NGO's
Cahoot's, Conspiracy Theories, Distortion's, Compromises ?
Whatever term you wish to use !
They do exist !
Or there would not be words for them.
The wrong doings in our Country run Wide and Deep and Locally Close and Narrow in my opinion.Every State, County, city has at least one NGO – Non Governmental Organization. Many of those are tax-exempt societies of sorts and typically receive thousands in funding from various community sources, government taxpayer sources, year after year. The people running those societies usually award themselves high-level
salaries and run them as one would run a highly commercial corporation. A form of
Begging is often used to solicit funds from actual Governments and Agencies. And for all the money that may be pumped over the years in those societies, It is my opinion not a single one has ever done anything really useful for the taxpayer or anyone else for that matter. With the exception of a very few.
The worst that could possibly happen for the bosses of these setups is that they would become known for what they really are. That being an organization, that thinks of our local governing body's as –
the chicken that lays the golden eggs, if you will. Such Organizations are usually working hand-in-hand with other like-mind so called non-profit Organizations to accomplish and push their own
desires and self promotion.
Some are listed with the Federal Government and State Government agencies as Non-Profit, some are not.
I can not find either Public Squares Communities INC or Elk Konnected LLC in any list.
I could not find an actual Kansas site, so I give you the following site: http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizations/elk-county-ks-kansas.asp
Some NGO's are LLC in order to protect those involved from any personal financial responsibility for their Non-Governmental Organizations Actions. To me it says, "Hey I'm not responsible unless every thing goes good and in that case I am an intelligent responsible person." To me an LLC, "Is saying, I am not expected to be responsible at all."
They all seem to use some form of Religion, Education, Health, Quality of Life, Family Structure, etc to
beg for taxpayer dollars. And never say, how they can improve anything. Why? Because in my opinion, they are unable to do anything, even if you give them county taxpayer or any taxpayer monies they have no ability or expertise to do so.
Perhaps hand out Lollipops!Let's review our very own
Elk Konnected, LLC.On their web page http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/accredited-communities/elk-konnected/steering-committee/
They list the following:
Vision StatementStrong families. Solid education. Superior Lifestyle. "Stay with us as we grow!" (Grow What?)
What we actually have for Strong families are state and federal agencies for financial help for families, we have the "Kansas Department For Children and Families" with multiple programs to help. What has Elk Konnected actually provided? We also have the Four County Mental Health Center, Inc. a private not-for-profit licensed Kansas community mental health center providing comprehensive services for the ever changing needs of all populations residing within the southeast Kansas counties of Chautauqua, Cowley, Elk, Montgomery and Wilson.
Solid education. What we actually have are several School Districts two of which have Governmental School Boards of Education within Elk County for Education provided by property owner and state taxes.
What does Elk Konnected actually provide?
Superior Lifestyle.I have absolutely no idea what Elk Konnected means by this? Do they? What is "Superior Lifestyle"?
What is it superior too?
What do they actually have to provide?
Steering CommitteeBusiness:Liz Hendricks
(Elk Konnected,LLC & Public Squares Commuities, Inc. ?)Education:Dr. Dave Whetstone
Government: .Yes, Elk Konnected does have Whetstone on one of the two two Boards of Education in Elk County.
Is that perhaps a way of controlling and swaying the school board to have
Elk Konnected influence the Boards way of thinking? There is more than one Elk Konnected member on the West Elk USD 282 School Board. Is his position on the School Board of Education in the best interest of
Elk Konnected or West Elk USD 282 and it tax's payers?
He had to find employment outside of Elk County. Why didn't his own NGO encourage him as an entrepreneur? He is college educated and that is one of the things
Elk Konnected said they wanted isn't it?
Didn't
Elk konnected say they wanted to pay for High School Kids College, if they would sign a contract to return to Elk County as entrepreneur's and start businesses? It's just not that simple is it ?
Jennifer Montgomery
Well Jennifer was working for Elk County and for the City of Howard neither of which lasted very long.
Doesn't that mean this listing on their web page is no longer valid?
Does she even still live in Elk County? I have heard no!
Kenny Liebau
Yep, he is an elected official of the County. He has often said he supports Elk Konnected 100%, and always voted for whatever money Elk Konnected asked for. He should have recused himself from voting due to conflict of interest! It would have been the only ethical thing to do, but he failed to do so. So is his position on the County Commissioners Board in the best interest of Elk Konnected or Elk County?
Human Services: Tommie Barnaby
What Human Services does Elk Konnected offer?
We already have the Council on Aging and we have the "Kansas Department For Children and Families" with multiple programs to help. We also have the Four County Mental Health Center, Inc. a private not-for-profit licensed Kansas community mental health center providing comprehensive services for the ever changing needs of all populations residing within the southeast Kansas counties of Chautauqua, Cowley, Elk, Montgomery and Wilson. I do believe Elk County Commissioners already provide some of your property tax to support the Four County Mental Health Center.
What has Elk Konnected actually provided for Elk County?What can Elk Konnected actually provided Elk County?Can they do better than provide social gatherings for their circle of friends and so many of them can't even make it because they don't live close enough.
I know people on facebook that befriend anyone and everyone and have thousands of friends on their facebook. Does that mean anything substantial? Not to me!
You know what I think? Do you want my personal opinion?
Well I'll share with you, what I think of NGO's, okay.
It may offend you so if you don't want to be offended don't continue reading.
LOL My disclaimer, because I am not a protected LLC!
By Strolling beyond this point you agree to not be offended,
Thank You. LOL
When NGO's operate a LLG's and LLG's that are Non-profits it is for self protection.
And it is for the purpose of keeping their finance's private !
In other words you can not look at the books to see who is drawing a paycheck or how large that paycheck is.
You don't understand that? Do you think they are all working for free?
Do you think they are volunteering to run a business? Think again?
Sure they tell "you'' to volunteer for them so they can take the glory for your work and efforts to keep collecting money to provide those pay checks to themselves.
I was accused during an Open County Commissioners meeting, by an
Elk Konnected member of not volunteering and he asked, why I don't volunteer. I did not get the opportunity to answer because a member of the board realized things were getting too hot and moved the conversation on. A very good man by the name of Doug Ritz did that, he cut me off.
But let me answer that charge and that question.
First, I am not answerable to
Elk Konnected and it's secret membership.
Second, his accusation was based on nothing more than
Elk Konnected's limited vision,
as if the citizens are answerable to Elk Konnected.Third, I have done plenty of volunteering, which is none of his business.
I would not want to dignify myself by divulging how I have volunteered at the cost to the people I have helped and at the same time dishonor them. Thank you Mr. Black.
And this is why I question everything !
Please Check out this web site:
http://superstore.wnd.com/video/NEW-DVD-ARRIVALS/Theres-No-Place-Like-Utopia-Movie
And check out the short video
The following isQuoted from the Web site:
THERE'S NO PLACE LIKE UTOPIA (MOVIE)
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Product Description
Why did Dorothy follow the yellow brick road? Filmmaker Joel Gilbert journeys across America to find out what's at the end of the "progressive" rainbow – Utopia or something far worse? From the ruins of Detroit to the slums of Chicago's South Side, and from Denver's illegal immigration invasion to Newark's urban removal project, Gilbert pulls back the curtain. He confronts progressives on his quest, and he takes us deep into their political fantasy of paradise on earth, investigating:
Why amnesty for illegals is bad for the black community.
Why the Democrat Party wants Americans dependent on government
How Islam is expanding into Detroit and other cities devastated by progressive policies
Why Peggy Joseph, the 2008 voter who said Obama would "pay for her mortgage," DOES NOT support him today
How political correctness is silencing American free speech
The roots of the progressive agenda for Utopia on earth
Why Chicago and Newark are becoming the new Detroits
Why Barack Obama is the real-life Wizard of Oz – a charlatan full of empty promises
The "vast left-wing conspiracy" in America today
"There's No Place Like Utopia" is a humorous and horrifying exploration of progressivism, amnesty for illegals, race relations, Islam in America, political correctness and Barack Obama himself, who promises to "remake the world as it should be." But is Utopia a real destination for America? Or does the true path to happiness still remain faith, family and hard work – back home in Kansas?
Reviews
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"Joel Gilbert dissects what many Americans think of as a benign desire for a perfectible universe, and in doing so exposes the dark totalitarian underside of utopian dreams. With insightful interviews overlaying a comic narrative, Gilbert brings to life our current day Wizards of Oz and their outsized plans to reorganize society and control behavior, while shrinking the freedoms we still – foolishly – take for granted. Americans need to wake up before they find themselves living in a very different country from the one they were born to." – Ken Timmerman, author of "Dark Forces"
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I have been out and about for a while this morning and I have learned a few interesting things to share with you folks.
First a gentleman told me I am pretty well known and that those that know me ( I assume that is from this forum) either like me or don't like. I told him that is fine I don't require anyone like me and I bear no ill will towards those that don't like me. I am fine with it. For sure, I am not politically correct and chances are I never will be.
He then said, some people think I'm crazy and I told him I am crazy, so no offense taken. I recently read where anyone that runs for political office have to have mental problems. What am I doing --- running for a political office that doesn't even include a paycheck. At least the County Commissioners get a paycheck !
I had heard about losing one of our school Principals and the rumor that she had accepted a position of Superintendent in another district However this morning, I learned that this information may be erroneous. I learned from an extremely reliable source that the reason she left Elk Valley USD-283 to come to West Elk USD-282 was because of having problems at Elk Valley 283. And the reason she left West Elk USD-282 I was informed was because, she was given the
old alternative ----- resign or be fired. I can not write you a guarantee that is what happened, but it is a game often played in school districts. And I believe this may be the third time in this district in the last 12 months.
I am totally against the old alternative -----
resign or be fired. If the school district has cause to fire an employee that is exactly what they should do, it helps other School Districts avoid the same problem and if the problem involves students it help prevent other students by not submitting them to the same problem. Now that the
resign or be fired.option has apparently been executed, doesn't that allow for a third occasion to happen? Don't the people executing such action care about the students ? Wouldn't that be the elected officials on the School Board committing these atrocities to our students --- your children.
And now for some information, that I doubt the West Elk US
Because you would become too knowledgeable.
Kansas Policy Institute
They posted some very interesting facts on line. Yes, I know it is an NGO and I generally don't approve of NGO's. However, this is considerable information they acquired and compiled on all Kansas School Districts.
Information is provided from Kansas Department of Education, Kansas Division of the Budget, : National Association of State Budget Officers, : National Assessment of Education Progress (NAEP), Kansas Dept.
of Education, Bureau of Labor Statistics.
There is a great deal of information, so Please go to: http://kansaspolicy.org/ResearchCenters/Education/Studies/d124699.aspx?type=view
West Elk and Elk Valley information is located on page 32 and on page 33 of the Fact Book.
There you will find from 2005-2014 spending cost has escalated by 72% and that property taxes for West Elk have increased by 83% and that student population has decreased by 26% And a whole lot of other great information.
I hope everyone enjoys the info !
Special Note From the Web Site
Kansas Department of Education; KSDE
does not require students to read grade-appropriate material with full comprehension (as defined by KSDE) to qualify as Proficient / Meets Standard.
KSDE considers full comprehension to be Advanced / Exceeds Standard.
Check out Re-imagine Sedan in today's newspaper.
It's supposedly being done by High School kids that will present their findings from studying Sedan.
I find that amazing, they studied Sedan and will report their findings. I wonder why
Elk Konnected didn't think of that and do some studying about Elk County? Oh these are high school kids that still know how to study, that's gotta be it.
After these kids presentation there will be a facilitated discussion.
Now in my opinion this is where the screw up is. a facilitator.
A facilitator is to control the discussion, therefore not really an open discussion, it amounts to discuss what we want you to discuss. Sort of like the snake oil salesmen of days gone by.
Professional Backing ????
I don't know the man or how he works so it's not personal but here comes that adult: Jack Newcomb, founder of Advancing Rural Prosperity, has graciously agreed to facilitate a conversation afterwards about possible next steps. http://advancingruralprosperity.org/ Isn't this just another person trying to make a living off of desperate communities? Just asking! Oh is he doing this one for free?
Who would show up at a meeting for Sedan and talk about what happens in Afghanistan? They would surely be there to discuss Sedan wouldn't they? Or are they fearful of questions about their organization?
I wonder will they have kindergarten stars and name tags and circus circles of chairs and will they chose to ignore the negative things that cause problems? You know sort of like
Elk Konnected.
High School kids speak of the the eight pillars (i.e., business, schools, infrastructure, lifestyle, health & wellness, tourism, image and legislative issues) that make-up a strong community and Public Square and Elk Konnected only addresses the four sectors of the community: Business, Education, Government and Human Services. http://www.reimaginesedan.org/eight-pillars.html Are the High School Kids smarter than
Elk Konnected and
Public Squares Communities? Because they have eight pillars?
What are
Elk Konnected and
Public Squares Communities doing these days with their four corners????
I have wondered who was backing these kids with all the expensive things they are talking about doing just to renovate the Gregg Theater to make the movie and theater going experience more enjoyable and attract more customers. In addition, we hope to show that when the community, young and old, work together, we can do great things to make Sedan a better place to live. Isn't the Greg Theater a privately owned business? Shouldn't the business owner be responsible for the condition of his business? Should he continue to receive a form of welfare?
Their renovation plans include; Remove the old chairs, Clean the floor, Seal the floor, Purchase new or gently used chairs, Install the chairs, Remove existing stalls, toilets, sinks, vanity, lights and mirrors, Paint – perhaps a darker color to discourage graffiti, Purchase new toilets, sinks, vanity and lights, Marquis, Remove plastic over the lights, Clean around lights, Replace any lights, Purchase or renovate plastic, Purchase new letters, Paint, Remove existing wiring, Replace wiring, Update junction box, Removal of old mortar, Replace with new mortar, Our renovation plans include: Removal of old roof, Replace with new roof, Clean-up stage and behind the stage, Removal of old props and customs that are no longer needed.
http://www.reimaginesedan.org/projects.html
Sounds to me like the only thing not being replaced are the outside walls. And I guess the area businesses will be doing all that work for no pay ????? This will be worth watching and perhaps learn something !
I really like what the owners and management of Batson's did and they did it on their own as far as I know.
That is good business planning and management.
These High School kids have lofty goals, but no explanation of how to accomplish them. I.E. Some of their goals are to bring in more tourism, to draw in more permanent residents, and not only improve our business, but also bring in new businesses. How are they gonna accomplish these tasks? They don't even give a hint that I can find. I'm all for wishful thinking but more so for actual plans to be reviewed by the community. http://www.reimaginesedan.org/about.html
I suppose they want the community to come up with solutions to problems.
I'm wondering what happened to the four industries for Longton that were promised at the Longton Free Fair Political Forum last year? Where is even one of those industries? Ill be watching with the rest of you.
Goodnight folks
Reality is real.
Folks, I won't be offering free rides to the voting polls this year.
Because I am running for School Board and I do not believe it wold be ethical to do so.
I would not want to appear to be trying to influence anyone's vote.
Thank's to each of you for your support.
L. W. Ross
I know they don't mention it
but I bet there was an NGO
or two involved.
Would those bureaucrats be
Progressive Liberal OPM Grabbers ?
Broadband by bureaucrats:
High costs of high-speed failure
By Jim Waters / April 1, 2015 /
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By Jim Waters | Watchdog Opinion
While some in the Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government consider it fashionable to build and operate a broadband network at taxpayers' expense, citizens who take a moment to look at the price tag of similar outfits in other places should at least do some more price shopping before heading to the register.
They may also want to stop and "shop" in Orem, Utah, where voters decisively rejected a property-tax increase to pay their city's costs for participating in the Utah Telecommunications Open Infrastructure Agency (UTOPIA).
UTOPIA is a consortium of 11 different cities created in 2004 to build a publicly owned fiber-optic network that promised completion in three years and a positive cash flow in five. Instead, the consortium has struggled to find funding to stay afloat and has negative net assets a decade later of nearly $150 million.
UTOPIA residents may also mention to Lexington's "shoppers" how the public consortium has attracted only about 11,000 subscribers – less than a quarter of the 49,350 customers projected to sign up by 2007.
The Wall Street Journal's Thomas Schatz wrote that UTOPIA's failure to attract the anticipated number of customers has caused "a spectacular financial failure."
When residents in the government-run service – which loses at least $3 million and sometimes as much as $13 million annually – deemed raising taxes unfashionable, a private firm offered a bailout.
However, Macquarie Capital's offer, which includes completing the network's construction, required residents in the participating cities to make payments for the next 30 years on $1.83 billion worth of new debt.
This would require all households in those cities to pay a new mandatory utility fee of $20 per month – even if they don't subscribe or use the services or cannot afford to pay.
"And the cities will have the power to cut off water service to those who do not pay in full or on time every month," Schatz wrote.
Some Utopia.Read more at: http://watchdog.org/209797/broadband-high-costs/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=watchdognewsletter_14
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Was there any critical thinking?
Were the important questions asked?
Who, What, Where, When, Why and sometimes How?
Or do you suppose it was like the West Elk School Board, wasting $40,000 on architects for building extensions they knew the voters would say "NO" to once again ?
Do you suppose it was because of the inability to communicate properly?
Perhaps they would only accept a positive attitude no matter what the cost !Look what else happened, What happened to Lexington-Fayette Urban County Government ?
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Well I received my April issue of "Country Living" magazine from my power company.
Yep, yer right
Public Squares Communities is in there again.
You do know that is the parent company of
Elk Konnected, LLC or something of that nature, right?
They say in their article that, "the real opportunity for change is not found in experts" !
I have to question that statement because it sounds very narrow minded to me.
There are many different types of change and most likely some will require expert advice from appropriate experts. For instance if something were not operating efficiently an efficiency expert could provide the expertise to create the necessary change. Don't ya reckon?
They do say something I do totally agree with --- are you shocked?
They say, " Look beyond institutions for leadership. We often look to the same people for involvement in community initiatives." (Just give that a moment thought the same people over and over again and again. And a lot of waste of money happens and conflict through out the communities happen doesn't it.)
Definition of Institution -- an established law, practice, or custom, a society or organization founded for a religious, educational, social, or similar purpose.
Now doesn't
Public Squares Communities and Elk Konnected fall with in those parameters?
Good job
Public Squares Communities, good job.
They continue with, "A few business owners, the school superintendent, Hospital CEO, and elected leaders.
Then they say, "Leadership, however, is an activity, not a position."
Now they want to use the proper use of a word or term but in a demeaning manner in my opinion. We elect people to positions of leadership for the good of the community or county or the school. Now who is
Public Squares Communities to offer a hint of a put down of elected officials not being active. These elected officials are busy doing by attending meetings and making decisions about finances, and what ever problems arise and what ever problems they may create.
Our county commissioners have a public forum so citizens may address them during their meetings. And I have observed them listen to citizens during their open forum. A Hired Retired College Professor advised the West Elk School Board, to institute a public forum at their meetings. But they took action to ignore that advice.
We may not like their actions, but contrary to what
Public Squares Communities hints at they are active.
Is
Public Squares Communities in the business of undermining the established methods of government ?
It sure appears to be a very negative attitude on their part, but that is just my personal opinion.
Public Squares Communities says, "Improving a community is hard work," Please tell us what kind of improvement it is you are talking about and what your actual solutions are. Don't give us that cock and bull story about building a second form of government. Tell us actual solutions, please? Do we build a hospital that we cannot afford and lack the population to support? Do we build a YMCA, that we can not afford nor have the population to support ? Tell us actual solutions, please? Do we give tens of thousands of County taxpayer dollars away while property taxes remain among the highest in the state?
Public Squares Communities or Elk Konnected tell us actual solutions, please?
Would
Public Squares Communities or Elk Konnected or their followers care to clarify how they feel about our elected officials and their leadership abilities ? It sounds like you want to destroy the institution of Government so please enlighten us.
Good Night
and
May Everyone
Have A Happy Easter Tomorrow.
It is my personal opinion that this explains a great deal
about Education, Leadership, Communications and NGO's
EDUCATIONCOMMENTARYWhy Are US Colleges So Afraid of Letting Students Speak Freely?Ed Feulner April 05, 2015
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"Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech." The words of the First Amendment couldn't be plainer. Yet more than two centuries after the Bill of Rights was written, they remain the subject of fierce debate.Actually, I should amend that (no pun intended). These words would be the subject of debate—if debate were permitted. But these days, apparently, we're all so thin-skinned that we can't bear to hear an opinion that challenges our worldview.
This is even true, ironically, at our institutions of higher learning. Some colleges are far more interested in swaddling their students in a protective bubble than in teaching free speech.
Consider what happened to Omar Mahmood. The University of Michigan student last year wrote a satirical piece for the campus newspaper, The Michigan Daily, listing the ways that the pervading culture of right-handedness victimizes left-handed people.
"The biggest obstacle to equality today is our barbaric attitude toward people of left-handydnyss [sic]," he wrote. "It's a tragedy that I, a member of the left-handed community, had little to no idea of the atrocious persecution that we are dealt every day by institutions that are deeply embedded in society."
Anyone familiar with the
political correctness that pervades so much of society will recognize what Mahmood was lampooning. The victim mentality is particularly acute on many campuses, with professors nursing and even inflaming cultural conflicts on every level, leaving everyone walking around on eggshells.
In such an environment, Mahmood's column could have served a valuable purpose. An actual debate—imagine!—could have ensued.
But no. The Daily's editors couldn't risk damaging the precious little psyches of his fellow students with anything as retrograde as a dissenting point of view. Mahmood had created a
"hostile environment" for those hothouse flowers, he was told. Why, an unidentified staffer "felt threatened" by his column. Somebody pass the smelling salts.
Mahmood's apartment was vandalized. He was fired from the Daily, of course.
Unfortunately, this isn't an isolated incident. Hardly a week goes by without news about one campus or another preventing unpopular views from being expressed. According to the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE), which tracks such violations, most U.S. colleges are guilty.
"This isn't just an American problem," Jim DeMint, president of The Heritage Foundation, noted in a lecture at Yale University. "Academia spans nations, and its diseases can swim across oceans." Thus, for example, Oxford University canceled a pro-con debate about abortion "because, apparently, men aren't allowed to have opinions on such things anymore." Even the pro-abortion debater found that ridiculous.
More and more, this is our world. We don't debate, we demonize. The New York Times Magazine documented this trend in a chilling article titled "How One Stupid Tweet Blew Up Justine Sacco's Life." It showed how Sacco and others have lost jobs, endured vicious threats and been forced into hiding for daring to make ill-conceived jokes or off-the-cuff remarks that others found offensive.
Part of the problem, surely, is rooted in basic ignorance of American history and our founding documents. That's why I opened by quoting the First Amendment. It may strike some readers as too basic to even mention, but numerous surveys show an alarming degree of ignorance and illiteracy.
Heck, you don't even need a survey. Jimmy Kimmel and other late-night comics often mine this ignorance for laughs with their man-on-the-street interviews.
But there's nothing funny about the underlying cause. Or with its effect: a society where political correctness makes debate impossible and only those who express the "accepted" opinion are permitted to speak.
"You don't communicate with anyone purely on the rational facts or ethics of an issue," wrote Saul Alinsky in "Rules for Radicals," the bible of the so-called progressive left. "Pick a target, freeze it, personalize it, and popularize it."
Personally, I'll stick with the First Amendment.Originally published in The Washington Times
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Quote from: ROSS on April 02, 2015, 09:06:17 PM
Folks, I won't be offering free rides to the voting polls this year.
Because I am running for School Board and I do not believe it wold be ethical to do so.
I would not want to appear to be trying to influence anyone's vote.
Thank's to each of you for your support.
L. W. Ross
Ross,
We need more men in office to defend the rights and property of Americans. I'm expecting you to win.
Stay right in there.
Quote from: redcliffsw on April 06, 2015, 06:00:10 AM
Ross,
We need more men in office to defend the rights and property of Americans. I'm expecting you to win.
Stay right in there.
Thank you Red.
I believe too many thousands of property owners taxpayer dollars have been needlessly wasted by the West Elk School Board especially over the last few years. When they paid out big bucks on architects and building planners for the large school bond issue for a new building and recently for the extensions to the building they knew would not pass. They wasted in excess of $40, 000 on architects and building planners and the expense of the survey where results told them "NO" but still wasted more tax dollars to run an election that gave them the same results which was "NO".
But after the vote at the very nest meeting they were discussing running the bond issue again as soon as possible. Luckily it did not happen.
The school board president has discussed teaching students critical thinking. I would suggest that he nor the school board has used critical thinking in their waste fo taxpayer dollars and the students money for education by continuing to push for more School Debt and raising taxes for something that is not needed.
Will Elk County stick with the status quo, will they continue down the path of more unnecessary debt?
Only a few days to find out.
Folks don't forget to vote tomorrow.
It's your money and you deserve to keep it.
I don't know what one man can do, but I'll do my best if elected.
And perhaps if I get elected you will be sending a real message to the school board and to other people like you and me and they will run for School board at the next election.
Even if I am not elected but get a large number of votes the same message will be conveyed, so if I am not elected it will still be a good thing.
Happy Voting tomorrow, folks.
I think this applies to NGO's as well.
After all aren't Non Governmental Organizations simply Political Action Committees?
And don't they use these same tactics?
See page one of this thread.
The politicians and the manipulated crowd
Posted on April 6, 2015 by Bob Livingston
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Life and happiness in this life under any political system directly depend upon how much our individuality (versus the crowd) is retained and to what extent we throw off manipulated illusions.
The more we are immersed into the mass mind (the crowd), the more we are manipulated and the more dependent on authority (government) we become. Every thrust of this nebulous thing called society is calculated to drive us into the dependent, mindless herd with automatic response to authority.
Often, we ponder why we get closer and closer to total authoritarianism, regardless of whom we vote for. The simple, but unrecognizable, answer is that we are unconsciously manipulated. We are born into a system that prescribes our thought processes, beginning with the first words we learn. As we grow into adults, we reach a state of existence and mental evolvement where we are shackled with a subtle and invisible system of myth and counter-myth.
We can be and are incarcerated with our minds. We imagine happiness as we exist within the confines of our prescribed mental parameters. In fact, we live out our physical lives and never come close to freedom of choice. It is impossible to make choices when all options are prescribed by the system — options that channel us into the service of the state.
Not one American in a million discovers that he lives under deception and illusion and that he is victimized by the power of repeated words and phrases. Our lives and property are plundered simply because we don't know that we don't know. Our thought system enslaves us far more than would a conquering army.
I have wondered for years why only a few people have escaped the net, while millions never do. There is apparently some gene or filter that allows a few people to see truths and overcome their conditioning. It grants them the courage to stand up to the crowd and to resist the ridicule and oppression that comes with opposing conventional wisdom.
The creation of the mass mind and/or mass consciousness is the secret weapon of the ruling elite. The more one's mind is immersed into the crowd, of course, the more one loses his individuality and independence of thought. The more we become a part of the crowd, the more dependent we become on authority. And the more dependent we become, the more defensive we are when presented with new information contrary to "conventional wisdom." Simply stated, the crowd syndrome inoculates us against reality. Yes, I believe that the psychological phenomenon of group consciousness is a created strategy for population control. It certainly appears to be an ironclad protection system for the elite, who by all definitions are the natural enemies of the people.
What exactly is group consciousness? Group consciousness is all the teachings of "brotherhood" in all of its forms and expressions. When our dominant thoughts center on the group rather than our own ego or individuality, we have been psychologically integrated into the mass mind. Therefore, we are necessarily dependent on the system. This is a subtle and sophisticated people-control strategy that allows unseen authority to manipulate the masses at will. It is, on the other hand, hyper-individualism that escapes the mental system along with authoritarian control.
Why are the elite natural enemies of the people? The elite are a parasite class ruling through manipulation propaganda. They are nonproducers, and they pay nothing for what they get. They create imaginary money (numbers), and use it to make pretend payment for goods and services. They camouflage their fraud with "income taxes" and double speak about national debt and balanced budgets.
Police power is in the hands of the elite so that modern governments can be defined as one word: force.
By virtue of the fact that the elite (government and the banksters) has the power to create money, all wealth flows away from the producers to the nonproducers. Modern money (nonsubstance) expropriates wealth. Translated, this simply means that one class of people perpetually steals from the other class. This makes them natural enemies.
If you "buy" my labor and my goods and services with money that you create (get for nothing), you are stealing from me. This system is the cause of all political and social evil in America, but it is hidden with political oratory and hypocritical welfare benevolence.
Common sense tells any sober mind that the political establishment cannot give you anything except that which it steals from you. This is clearly a fact of reality, but the mesmerized crowd has no sense of cause and effect. This can be explained only by the fact that the crowd (the people) are in a state of hypnosis and, therefore, do not possess conscious control of their minds.
Mass hypnosis is not just a state of stupor, but a well-defined system of behavior modification and absolute control. People in an altered state of consciousness will act against their best interests and dissipate their mental and physical energy on political myths and counter-myths. While in a state of hypnosis or learned behavior, obvious stupidity and self-denial becomes "politically correct." To the conscious mind, this is madness and confounds communication between the hypnotized and the conscious person. Most of you have experienced this breakdown in trying to communicate with people around you. What is obvious to you is invisible to those under hypnosis.
Fewer and fewer people have any cognitive imperative to question the system because hypnosis and learned behavior are transferred from one generation to another. False beliefs are self-perpetuating and feed upon one another. The more generations accepting myths, the more reinforcing they become. Religion in the generic sense is a very classic example of this. Religion is a manipulative psychic system (phenomenon).
Just as magnetism and electricity have a positive and a negative, amorality needs morality. Amorality is dependent upon morality. Politicians and governments are amoral. They could not exist without the self-sacrificing morality of the people.
In other words, crooks and politicians do not feed upon each other. They feed upon honest people or people with morality. For example, when you go into a "court of law" and swear to tell the truth, the system is using your morality to convict you and entangle you. That explains why there are laws against lying to government agents investigating crimes real and perceived.
All of this is a reminder that the next political election will bring no benefits to the people — regardless of which party holds power — any more than the past political election or political elections have for several generations past.
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This is just to hot
To leave on on thread!Quote from: Catwoman on April 07, 2015, 08:54:01 PM
It has been an interesting evening, getting to watch as the results of the election have been posted. It is a proud moment, as an American, to get to see this most basic of rights being exercised by the public. No politics being stated here...Just an overwhelming pride in getting to be witness to this process yet once again. :) :) :) Considering the state that a portion of this world is in, it's reassuring to see the common man having their voice be heard! :) :) :)
Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2015, 09:00:04 AM
When the term "Election" is used, it usually applies to politics, making it very political.
e·lec·tion = a formal and organized process of electing or being elected, especially of members of a political body.
And actually I think this election show a considerable amount of apathy in Elk County except maybe on the part of Elk Konnected followers. Just an opinion based on the numbers so far provided.
The apathy was all over the place, so many positions, possibly being filled by a person writing themselves in and being the only vote to win the seat. It makes me wonder, what exactly is important to Elk County residents.
Sure, I lost my bid for the West Elk School Board which did not surprise me. But for being known an outsider, I feel, I did real well with 38 votes[color] and not really doing any campaigning.
If you look at the present statics you will see that the present President of the School Board Matt Hilton only received 25 votes, that is 13 less votes than I did, and he was unopposed. That to me speaks volumes! Is he an outsider like me?! LOL
By my guesstimation there should possibly be between 400 and 450 people that could be registered to vote in Elk County and I don't see that many voting. Perhaps everyone that could be registered are not registered, perhaps not all registered voters voted. I don't have any hard cold facts. I may perhaps try to find out. But the largest sector of votes where located in the West Elk School Board for Mr. Elk Konnected himself, David Whetstone of Howard at 216 votes. Congratulations Mr. Elk Konnected, was there any doubt.
I sure wish I was an expert analyst, what fun this would be !
So since I am not
please take all this with
a grain of salt.
TTFN
The moral of the story is
if an unedumacated redneck outsider
can accumulate more votes than
the Presiding President of the West Elk USD-282 School Board
Well then a lifetime resident can do even better.
Please guys get out there and run for School Board
Next time.
Don't force me to do it again !
That is the only way you are going to get control of the ever rising
property tax of the progressive liberal elite that keep wasting money!
Also we do not apparently have all our citizens registered to vote.
Please talk to your neighbors and friends and relatives about registering.
Each one of their votes is so much more valuable
here in Elk County than in National Elections. !
Much, much more valuable!
They actually count for something !
I quote myself to point out my own errors on numbers for voters.
I did state I had no hard facts to back up my guestimation and boy was I ever wrong.
Here is what I said:
Quote from: ROSS on April 08, 2015, 09:00:04 AM
When the term "Election" is used, it usually applies to politics, making it very political.
e·lec·tion = a formal and organized process of electing or being elected, especially of members of a political body.
And actually I think this election show a considerable amount of apathy in Elk County except maybe on the part of Elk Konnected followers. Just an opinion based on the numbers so far provided.
The apathy was all over the place, so many positions, possibly being filled by a person writing themselves in and being the only vote to win the seat. It makes me wonder, what exactly is important to Elk County residents.
Sure, I lost my bid for the West Elk School Board which did not surprise me. But for being known an outsider, I feel, I did real well with 38 votes[color] and not really doing any campaigning.
If you look at the present statics you will see that the present President of the School Board Matt Hilton only received 25 votes, that is 13 less votes than I did, and he was unopposed. That to me speaks volumes! Is he an outsider like me?! LOL
By my guesstimation there should possibly be between 400 and 450 people that could be registered to vote in Elk County and I don't see that many voting. Perhaps everyone that could be registered are not registered, perhaps not all registered voters voted. I don't have any hard cold facts. I may perhaps try to find out. But the largest sector of votes where located in the West Elk School Board for Mr. Elk Konnected himself, David Whetstone of Howard at 216 votes. Congratulations Mr. Elk Konnected, was there any doubt.
I sure wish I was an expert analyst, what fun this would be !
So since I am not
please take all this with
a grain of salt.
TTFN
Here is what I learned by going to the court house just now.
There are 1916 registered voters
There were 456 that voted on Tuesday
That is a 26% turn out.
The National Average for turn out is much higher.
So, yes this election was pathetic!
But I do have to pay Kudo's to those that did a write-in
Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII
General election voter turnout for the 2014 midterms was the lowest it's been in any election cycle since World War II, according to early projections by the United States Election Project.
Just 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots !
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/11/10/voter-turnout-in-2014-was-the-lowest-since-wwii/
No wonder our country is in trouble with a President who is trying to destroy our Quality of life. Of course this is just my personal opinion.
And no wonder we have among-st the highest property taxes in Kansas only 26% turn out for the latest election.
There are better qualified rednecks here in Elk County to run for School Board. You don't need a college degree which is proven by the actions
of the present board, and your personal finances have nothing to do with running for school board. The important thing is attitude and common sense. Do you fit the bill?
Here is a comment I read by a gentleman that explains a redneck rather well.
Good old practical sense and common sense is what is needed in this county over and above the progressive liberal waste of taxpayer money. And a whole lot less of me, me, me and I want.
Need is totally different. Also attitude needs to improve.
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Comment by James A - Longdrycreek Ranch, Texas on 24 August 2010:
Rednecks, so called, are practical men and women. Life is hard and, unlike their over-educated peers, who do not know they are over-educated or even under-educated, the Redneck is in the game for the long run.
I associate with folks who work with their hands and hearts. Dedicated to the task. Never too busy to assist their neighbors or the stranger.
If I had to choose between those who imagine themselves in Time magazines coveted circle, I would choose the Redneck. The Rednecks I know are honest; the liberals, progressives, Marxists, communists, and often too much degreed cannot be trusted. When I am with this later coven, I sit with my back to the wall. Just safer and you can keep an eye on them in their Oxxford suits and Gucci shoes. Dumber than dirt.
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An excellent comment in my opinion!
Perhaps next election we can ring some bells or beat some drums to get voters out to the poles to vote and affect good changes to the county!
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
I can't believe anyone voted for you.
I appreciate your candor that show your diligence at maintaining your arrogant ignorance. I can't believe you can't believe what you know to be true. Don't they call that denial? But really what difference does it mean to you in Montgomery county, Kansas.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 12, 2015, 05:11:15 PM
Everyone I talked to said you would be the worst thing that could happen to West Elk.
Who is it you talk with? Other progressive liberals that love to waste taxpayers dollars to satisfy their personal desires with no concern for the real purpose of government?
Would that perhaps be the
Elk Konnected followers?Would those intelligent people be the ones that wasted $40, 000.00 of educational funds trying to get a bond issue passed they knew would never pass?
Would those people be the ones that threw away a chance to have the football field crowned for $7000. 00 and had it done for nearly $25000.00 instead?
Would those be the same people that keep giving people the opportunity to resign or be fired?
Which does great dis-favor to school children and taxpayers?
Would that be the same educated idiots?
I sure hope, I don't offend you with the truth, but your opinion over there in Montgomery County, Caney, Kansas is really of no concern to me. And you have no vote in Elk County, Kansas so what is your point?
Before I bid you adieu, I'm just curious with a name like Joesue are you a transgender or what? LOL
Joesue just for you in case you failed to read the previous posts in this thread I am posting a partial quote just for you.
Perhaps you can learn something.
Don't bother thanking me, I understand!
Quote from: ROSS on April 09, 2015, 05:16:05 PM
Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII
Comment by James A - Longdrycreek Ranch, Texas on 24 August 2010:
Rednecks, so called, are practical men and women. Life is hard and, unlike their over-educated peers, who do not know they are over-educated or even under-educated, the Redneck is in the game for the long run.
I associate with folks who work with their hands and hearts. Dedicated to the task. Never too busy to assist their neighbors or the stranger.
If I had to choose between those who imagine themselves in Time magazines coveted circle, I would choose the Redneck. The Rednecks I know are honest; the liberals, progressives, Marxists, communists, and often too much degreed cannot be trusted. When I am with this later coven, I sit with my back to the wall. Just safer and you can keep an eye on them in their Oxxford suits and Gucci shoes. Dumber than dirt.
Great Timeless Truths
In my many years I have come to a conclusion that one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm and three or more is a government.
John Adams
If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed.
Mark Twain
I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.
Winston Churchill
A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.
George Bernard Shaw
Foreign aid might be defined as a transfer of money from poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor countries.
Douglas Casey, Classmate of Bill Clinton at Georgetown University
Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.
P.J. O'Rourke, Civil Libertarian
Government is the great fiction, through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else.
Frederic Bastiat, French economist(1801-1850)
I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.
Will Rogers
In general, the art of government consists of taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.
Voltaire (1764)
Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you!
Pericles (430 B.C.)
No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session.
Mark Twain (1866)
Talk is cheap...except when government does it.
Anonymous
The government is like a baby's alimentary canal, with a happy appetite at one end and no responsibility at the other.
Ronald Reagan
The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin.
Mark Twain
What this country needs are more unemployed politicians.
Edward Langley, Artist (1928-1995)
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
Thomas Jefferson
We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office.
Aesop
If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free!
P.J. O'Rourke
The West Elk Superintendent voiced his concern several times last year at board meetings that the school funding might be cut. Well I found this information on line and perhaps it may help ease his concerns.
State Aid excluding KPERS, Special Education and Bond & Interest Aid*
USD # County District Name 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2014-17 Change
282 Elk West Elk 2,658,989 2,915,014 2,925,185 2,946,507 10.8%
283 Elk Elk Valley 1,481,895 1,534,974 1,540,678 1,552,638 4.8%
Source: Kansas Dept. of Education. Per KSDE, a few smaller aid programs are also not included such as juvenile detention facilities, parents as teachers, pre-K pilot and school food service.
I hope this information is useful to everyone.
Do you still believe phrases like :In the best interest of the child ?
For the Common Good ?It takes a village ?
Pillar of the Community ?There are many of these type of phrases that are used by politicians or NGO's or people wanting the so called
"Fundamental Change" of to improve
"Quality of life".All are these phrases are designed to impress and manipulate you the Common Man or Woman and used most likely to hide the actual truth.
Remember you can
ass/u/me that if they disagree with you ---- they will simply say you have it all wrong as a response with no explanation of how or why. Because you are not wrong but have perhaps a better of difference perspective than they do. Perhaps they have a financial stake in the situation and you don't. So it will simple be, you have no idea what you are talking about or you are wrong. That is simply a put down with no reasoning. And should be ignored.
For instance take
"Economic Development".Economic Development is two simple words that are used for the ultimate deception in my opinion.
Economic Development Should amount to bringing outside money into your immediate area in the form of jobs. Money for the local people to provide for their families by purchasing from local merchants who buys from wholesalers, who buy from manufacturers or providers and who pays the wages of the workers. It is a circle. When the circle is broken it goesn't run so well, does it?
Economic Development has become very complicated because of those people that want to exploit it and abuse it. They want to give away your tax payer money to enhance their own financial desires or their friends financial needs and or enhance their political positioning. Simply complicate and manipulate, pretty easy is't it.
You deserve a larger property tax reduction, always, rather than wasting your hard money for a so called County Economic Development Employee for the benefit of the elite and their
NGO's benefit only. And don;t be fooled that would be the only reason to spend tens of thousands of your hard earned money on such things.
Ross you and your babbling have ruined the Forum, everyone I have talked to have told me they quit even reading anything you post and have quit looking at the Forum. No one even post anything anymore. You are Elk Disconnected.
Didn't you announce that you were leaving the Forum? Or was that Frawin?
You all should stick around and defend your thinking on the Forum - the Political column.
That way, folks can see where you're coming from.
Ross is Disconnected from socialism and liberalism. That's good!
It is no credit to Ross having an idiot like you supporting him. You are so twisted on Politics, you are as bD as Hilliary. Very few people even read you either. The forum is down to 2 Idiots, you and Ross.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 19, 2015, 06:19:20 AM
Ross you and your babbling have ruined the Forum, everyone I have talked to have told me they quit even reading anything you post and have quit looking at the Forum.
I feel pity for you and your shallow attitude and in-ability to communicate intelligently.
Name calling and fabricating friends that say this and that just doesn't amount to anything at all.
This if an open forum so I ask that you continue and perhaps learn something. I do enjoy reading your posts.
And remember no one forces you to try to comprehend what you read here on this thread. Or to even read what I post. Do you realize how many other subjects and threads there are here on the forum, Try enjoying one of them if that is possible.
This thread has been read (Read 246646 times) and more. So bite your tongue, even you can't wait to return.
LOLQuote from: Joesue23 on April 19, 2015, 06:19:20 AM
No one even post anything anymore.
And what fantasy do you place that statement. Why do you want to lie like that> Have you checked the Forum's statics? Oh, never mind! I understand progressive liberal socialists don't need the truth. Carry on!
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 19, 2015, 06:19:20 AM
You are Elk Disconnected.
You bettcha! I am an individual citizen of Elk County, I am a Vietnam Veteran, a retired Federal Employee, a land owner ( no mortgage either and bought with my own hard earned money), a tax payer and a voter. These are all individual attributes and assets with no Elk Konnected involvement. So yes you have got it right for once. I am life connected and enjoy it very much with the help of m Lord and God.
Now, that is the only true thing you have said on this thread. That I am Elk Disconnected. Good Job!
I am in no was associated with
Elk Konnected and their
followers I would not
stoop to that level. I think for myself and do not allow
NGO's of any kind to force their plans, schemes, or lies on me. I am so glad you recognize that I value individualism over
mob's same thinking or
like mindedness.It's a whole lot like Scientology, I did not say it is Scientology please keep that in mind. Don't confuse yourself.
If people would wake up to what is destroying our beloved country and ignore all the
liberal educational or brain washing they received from
liberal colleges they would be able to see the light! You people won't wake up until the US becomes a Muslim Country and then it will be too late and you kids will have to live with and me I'll be gone thank God.
It is a pleasure attempting to educate you even if it is just a little bit.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 19, 2015, 06:43:16 AM
It is no credit to Ross having an idiot like you supporting him. You are so twisted on Politics, you are as bD as Hilliary. Very few people even read you either. The forum is down to 2 Idiots, you and Ross.
Joesue, Joesue,
Did you by chance go to one of them liberal colleges that teach disrespect?
My oh My !
I bet your mpmma didm 't teach you all that disrespect for you elders. Or did she?
My oh my!
You with your liberal socialists attitude comparing a conservative to Hillary Clinton the most beloved lying liberal on the internet.
Did you even go to school, did you graduate high school?
you have been on this forum less than a year and are an expert on everyone and everything posted on this forum, I am truly amazed by your capacity. I sure wish I knew everything you know. You little liberal expert you. You are so cute.
Your stats as of this very moment:
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Date Registered: June 10, 2014, 02:47:29 pm
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A grand total of 16 posts in almost a year, my you are so active. How do you find the time.
Not a single one of those 16 posts had anything kind of constructive to say and all the bad stuff is fabricated with nothing to back them up. Tch, Tch! I bet your momma is real proud of you.
I hope you have a great day over there in Montgomery County, I know i am here in my home county, Elk
County.
Another real status just for you.
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1 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: Today at 07:43:16 am »
It is no credit to Ross having an idiot like you supporting him. You are so twisted on Politics, you are as bD as Hilliary. Very few people even read you either. The forum is down to 2 Idiots, you and Ross.
2 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: Today at 07:19:20 am »
Ross you and your babbling have ruined the Forum, everyone I have talked to have told me they quit even reading anything you post and have quit looking at the Forum. No one even post anything anymore. You are Elk Disconnected.
3 Politics / Re: This and That...
« on: April 12, 2015, 06:11:15 pm »
I can't believe anyone voted for you. Everyone I talked to said you would be the worst thing that could happen to West Elk.i
4 The Coffee Shop / Re: Time for me to get off and completely away from the Forum
« on: December 27, 2014, 10:50:43 am »
Frawin, good choice, we are going to resign from the Forum also, Ross and his bully buddies can have it. Ross knows so little of what he is jabbering about, he said he couldn't find where Shari had any land in her name, he doesn't even know her last name, her husbands family is a prominent Elk County Ranching family. Ross is bullying everyone off of the Forum. We have vowed to stop even reading the Forum.
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5 Politics / Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control
« on: December 22, 2014, 01:55:05 pm »
Ross, you have driven everyone else from the Forum,, look at how few are posting.
6 Politics / Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control
« on: December 22, 2014, 01:51:24 pm »
Ross you are an absolute idiot, no one on the forum has done even close to the Putdowns that you have. From the first time you got on the Forum until now you have lied, made up crap about everyone from the schoolboard, county commissioners, to anyone that opposed your trash. You are without a doubt the worst thing that has happened to Elk County. I own property and pay taxes in Elk County, have thought about moving there but you make me hesitant to do so. I am not defending Diane I just tired of your trash and lies.
7 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: December 16, 2014, 11:10:12 am »
Ross you are as full of CRAP as Obuma and Redcliff.
8 Politics / Re: Did the Republicans Tell the Truth? . . .
« on: December 16, 2014, 11:07:23 am »
You are more full of crap than Obuma,
9 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 pm »
Ross how many School boards have you been elected to. How many County Commisioner positions have you served on. I am betting none, you are totally full of hot air. Everyone in ELK county that I have talked to told me you were totally full of CRAP.
10 Politics / A WAY TO REALLY IMPROVE PARTICIPATiON IN THE FORUM
« on: October 29, 2014, 07:55:56 pm »
If Teresa and Kjell wanted to improve the Forum and participation by many on many good subjects all they would have to do is Shut Ross, Redcliff and 3 or 4 of Rosses cronies off. Everyone I have talked to is afraid to post because Rosses gets so rude if he doesn't agree with them. I hope all of the voters will vote their heart and vote against Ross and his lies. Ross has Elk Konnected on the Brain. Most of the people he has claimed were "El Konnected" had nothing to do with it. Ross is the worst thing to come to Elk County in along time. I know lots of you have told my family and friends that you ignore Ross.
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11 Politics / Re: Re-elect who? I'm in!
« on: October 18, 2014, 07:38:39 am »
Why would any of you listen to the naysayers about Shari Kaminski. Look at who the people are, all negative types against women. Shari is sharp, educated and her husbands family are prominent, sucessful landowners and ranchers, she will do a great job, give her the chance. Consider the people against her.
Ross is always negative about everything's look at the lies he told about the West Elk school board and about Howard and the location of the school, the facts on that are the school was between the 3 schools that it was replacing, the water supply, sewer, Dr and all necessities were right there.
I have family and friends in Elk County and they will be working hard to help Shari. Doug was defeated before and he should be again.
12 Politics / Re: District 1, County Commission
« on: October 11, 2014, 07:29:07 pm »
Several of you have expressed your concern over t he negative comments Ross is making about Shari. Think about this Ross mDe all kinds of lies and negative comments about Liz Hendrix, even in the light of all the good Liz did. Her success in getting the Windfarm finalized made elk county a lot of revenue. I think Ross is just against women being sucessful at anything. Shari is very sharp and will do a great job, show Ross that he is full of hot air and vote for Shari, you won't regret it.
13 Politics / Re: District 1, County Commission
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:49:50 am »
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiots.
14 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: August 24, 2014, 01:14:38 pm »
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
15 Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: August 06, 2014, 09:56:27 am »
The best thing that could happen to Elk County is for Ross and Hillbilly to leave and go put their negative crap on another county. Shari is a really sharp person and she has held some very important jobs with Major Oil pipelines, she will do great as a County Commissioner. Her husband is part of a very longtime prominent and successful ranching family in Elk county. Shari's Mother served Elk count for many years and did. Great job of it, Shari will do well Also.
16 Politics / Re: Bellamy's Pledge of Allegiance . . . . .
« on: June 24, 2014, 09:40:44 am »
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
Joesue 23 I sure hope you enjoy reading yourself.
Thanks Joesue23 for bring us back around to Elk Konnected, I do appreciate it.
It brings to mind some current world events that parallel current world events, bear with me as I go there.
Bobby Jindal tells congress:
"It is time for our Republican leaders in congress to grow a spine. It's time for them to do what we elected them to do."
Jindal (an immigrant) said. "I am tired of hyphenated Americans. We're not Indian-Americans or African-Americans, we're all Americans."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/02/26/bobby-jindal-tells-congressional-republicans-to-grow-a-spine/
The United Nations Secretary-General, Ban Ki-moon: We know that when we work together we can accomplish much.
I am much like Bobby Jindal in this aspect I am tired! I am tired of all the lying cliches. And this is just one of many.
A cliché or cliche (UK /ˈkliːʃeɪ/ or US /klɪˈʃeɪ/) is an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has become overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, even to the point of being trite or irritating, especially when at some earlier time it was considered meaningful or novel.
I am tired of hearing this lie. What is actually meant, is you will do as we say, or you are not Konnected. In my opinion very stupid to buy such rot. If people actually wanted to work together they would work with in the system instead of trying to form an organization to run rough shod over the system.
I was accused of not volunteering during a County Commissioners Meeting by an Elk Konnected Member, WHY ? Just a form of bullying, isn't it !
But What does that Elk Konnected Member know of my volunteer work or of my good deeds? NOTHING ! And it is going to stay that way.
What business is of his of what I do or don't do ?
What he actually meant, in my Opinion, is why don't I buckle under to Elk Konnected and do volunteer work for them, so they can have the credit. Well, sorry about that!
Why did they have to insist in the past, that should appoint people to work for the county government? Simply trying to wrest control away fro elected officials in my humble opinion.
Where is Elk Konnected and where is all that community volunteer work cleaning up peoples property afte the last storm? No volunteer work to improve the "Quality if Life" in Elk County? Why
No Kommunity Konversations anymore! Why?
Have they migrated under ground?
Is Elk Konnected running around begging for money to fix the Howard swimming pool?
How about Elk Konnected run around and beg for money to fix the Moline Grade School and give the much needed class room back the the children. Isn't education a bet more important than community elected officials that fail to budget for the care of their swimming pool?
Joesue23 if your Elk Konnected folks reall amount to anything at all, beyond talk, lets see it?
Let's see them lower Elk County Property taxes for every one in Elk County by a minimum of 50% across the board. Can they do that one simple thing?
Show me how great they are or are not?
Or don't they care to volunteer?
Or perhaps your very smart aunt as you have refered to her as is smart enough to do it, what do you think?
Ross, you still can't tell the truth, we never said we were a ybodys Aunt. You have ruined the Forum with your Trash and lies.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 26, 2015, 08:56:28 AM
Ross, you still can't tell the truth, we never said we were a ybodys Aunt. You have ruined the Forum with your Trash and lies.
Who is the "WE"
you are refering to?
are you plural?
Is Joesue23
(please pick one)
1. bi-sexual?
2. transgender?
3. a multiple personality disorder?
Really, just what is a joesue23?
Too funny!I beg to differ with you about about your personal opinion accusing me of lying! However you
blattanly lied about Doug Ritz with no knowledge of what you were saying, which in my opinion is far worse than the simple error I performed.
And you failed to correct me when I made the error, if in fact it is an error.
I appologize for mis-reading your statement. Why did you fail to correct me when I made tthe error?
For some fool reason, I read it as her being your aunt?
So how are you related to her?
Is she your mamma?
Don't answer,
It really doesn't matter, okay!
Here is part of the post that I read to quickly or something:Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt.
Yes, I am human and I made an error --- that I will never deny.
And I will continue to make errors for a long time to come. LOL
Would you Joesue23's care to quote some of my lies?
Maybe 5 or 6 of them?
How about 2 or 3 of them?
How about even
ONE of them?
Please quote them just like I quoted you above,
i.e
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
and it looks like this when posted:
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 01:14:38 pm
Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Quote
Please notice it shows the date and time of the quote.
Thank you.
Always fun to hear from all of you Joesue23's as in plural.
TTFN
Ross Liar Liar your pants are on fire. You lied about the capacity of West Elk,even after people in the know told you that you were wrong. You didn't know anything about Dougs capabilities, you were against Shairie because she was a woman. You haveruinedthe Forum for everybody,it is not worth reading the. Rap you put out there.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 26, 2015, 01:30:25 PM
Ross Liar Liar your pants are on fire. You lied about the capacity of West Elk,even after people in the know told you that you were wrong. You didn't know anything about Dougs capabilities, you were against Shairie because she was a woman. You haveruinedthe Forum for everybody,it is not worth reading the. Rap you put out there.
I beg your pardon. You need to grow up a little bit.
Prove me wrong about the building being built to hold 600 children! No one has proved otherwise! No one!
Just calling me a liar is a waste of time if you can't back it up, that is just plain childish of both of you or is it ten of you? ROFLMAO
And little one, absolutely no one forces you to read this thread of the forum do they?
As far as women go, I have never in my life had trouble with women, so you speak with forked tongue, and a lack of knowledge.
I was raised in a large family with six older sisters, I have raised two very responsible girls, who were taught by me how to repair their own cars and that they could do anything they put their minds to.
I have had women work for me that had better work ethics than some men. I have had women bosses that I appreciated more than some male bosses.
So you see your arrogant and childish ignorance is for nothing.
Isn't it time for your nap now, we have all enjoyed the entertainment.
Nighty night and sweet dreams.
On April 21, 2015 I stopped in at the West Elk USD-282 School District Office and filled out Freedom of Information Act Form requesting information specific to the reconstruction of the School for installation of Air Conditioning for the Gymnasium. I asked for either estimations or actual cost of the reconstruction and the same for the purchase and installation of the Air Conditioner.
What I received by mail was a copy of my request, a copy of the Minutes of the Special School Board Meeting of Tuesday, February 17, 2015. I also received a copy of the Bid Summary that lists all bids that were received by the school. This bid sheet shows nothing specific. And I received a copy of my own FOIA.
None of which answers my specific question I am left with asking WHY?
Why mail this info instead of having me come by the office and pay the mandatory $.25 per page as customary and also save the postage?
Did they fail to understand what they read on the request for information?
Did they fail to get an itemized billing from the contractor?
Are they trying to hide the extravagant cost of Air Conditioning the Gymnasium?
After all, the Gymnasium really does not need to be Air Conditioned does it?
A gymnasium is for working up a sweat through physical exercise in, isn't it?
Just how many kids are over weight?
And when was the School built?
Wasn't it built in the mid- seventies and never needed Air Conditioning?
And still doesn't need one today, does it?
The School Board had discussed it costing a Million Dollars just to repair the existing roof and Air Conditioners. So my main question is, is the Air Conditioning and re-construction of the roof for the Air Conditioner costing nearly a half a million dollars?
But to Quote the Famous Liberal Hillary, "What Difference does it make now."
The truth of what difference it makes now is the same as with the Obama Administration, a lack of transparency.
What are they trying to hide?
When I asked under the FOIA about wages of all school employees including overtime and summer pay, they refused to provide the summer time and overtime wages, Why?
But they did make me drive to the office and pay $65. 00 for it?
I have never asked for any information that is not public information, so why do they fail to provide requested information?
Is it possible the books are missing some money?
Is it possible there is something else that needs to be kept hidden?
But to Quote Hillary again, "What Difference Does it Make?"
None, if as a property owner and property taxpayer, you don't mind the continual raising of your property taxes !
Did you notice your property tax break from the County last year? If you said no, you live in the West Elk School District, they sucked it up. Now if the county happens to stop giving that tax break every year what will happen will seem that the county is raising your taxes again.
"What Difference Does It Make?"
None if you don't pay attention and if you don't care that they keep raising your property taxes by the minimum allowed by law of 3 mils every year.
How do you think they are going to pay off a $1.5 million dollar note, how do you think they are going to pay the extra electric expense to run that Gymnasium Air Conditioner?
Out of your wallet that's how !
I don't believe the School Board knows the difference between want and need!
Do they show respect for how much of your money they spend or how deep they get you and me and other taxpayers in debt?
The School Board behaves a whole lot like the Obama administration in my opinion.
They offer employees the opportunity to resign or be fired --- this alone is wrong on so many levels. Of course choosing to resign is almost always chosen because no bad marks against the employee.
Rumor has it, that a couple of boys were caught videoing something on school grounds and were suspended, however, they were permitted to play sports while on suspension. Just what signal are these educators and board members sending? It's okay to use school classroom time as discipline but not school sports. Didn't they effectively say suspension ends for sport practices and games and then restarts again? Doesn't that mean Sports is more important than education? Or are they saying join sports to succeed no matter what? Would anyone please correct me if this is wrong? It is only a rumor, but what if it is true? Can anyone confirm this information.
"What Difference Does It Make?"
None if Ethics matter little to you.
You can see this post and the documents discussed at: https://app.box.com/s/yh8x1rzcmyhwfj6baivuh3lxwp0ah8ye
Ross you are so full of crap, you are all negative.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 28, 2015, 01:13:42 PM
Ross you are so full of crap, you are all negative.
Why thank you for your input Joesue whoever or what ever you are. Is that how you refer to the truth?
Your input is graciously appreciated.
It definitely shows the level of your edumacation and it reeks of many, many years of wisdom.
Please continue to entertain us with the depth of thought that you utilize.
You never cease to amaze us with your brilliance."
If you can be a "WE, I can be an "US", right? LOL We gotta have some humor don't we?
Is this this a continuance of the represention of
Elk Konnected, just wondering.
I am refering to the brilliance on page one of this thread.
I hope you have a very good evening.
TTFN TTYL
Ross, you keep proving me right. You are what has ruined the Forum for so many.
Quote from: Joesue23 on April 29, 2015, 09:05:20 AM
Ross, you keep proving me right. You are what has ruined the Forum for so many.
Your extended exuberance and desire to mke your point is really admiral.Quote from: Joesue23 on April 26, 2015, 08:56:28 AM
Ross, you still can't tell the truth, we never said we were a ybodys Aunt. You have ruined the Forum with your Trash and lies.
I must ask once again who is we?
How many of you am I conversing with?
Are you
Elk Konnected?Or are you a person with multiple personalities?
Multiple personalities would clarify the name you use of Joesue23, wouldn't it?
Or perhaps the 23 might represent 23
Elk Konnected members[/color], is that a possibility?
Joesue23 did you notice my avatar in the upper left hand corner ?
That tin foil hat protects me from your imagination and your insults, so keep throwing out them insults if it helps you in some fantazied way. I forgive you, especially if it helps with whatever problem you have, way over there in Montgomery County, Kansas.
I wish you a very pleasnt day today, because it is really a beautiful day. Bye-bye.
I submitted another request under the Freedom of Information Act to the West Elk USD-282 School Administration requesting the cost of re-building the roof i.e. the cost of metal pipe or metal framing and the cost of the extra large air conditioner for the gymnasium.
I received a letter and some documentation, which I have posted in PDF form at box.com for your convience,
The letter from the School Administration states, "SBA is not contractually obligated to provide a break down of cost for the gymnasium air conditioning as you requested in writing April 30,2015."
Perhaps that statement is true. But when has there ever been a contractual need to provide a customer with an itemized list of costs for doing a job. How will the Administration no if there is true need for cost over runs for the gymnasium air conditioning installation if they don't know what it is costing them?
Take a look at page two of the PDF to see the following figures:
Demo interior $2,180.00
Dumpster $2,725.00
CMU cutting and patching $3,815.00
Structural Steel Materials $21,227.75
Structural Steel Labor $23,980.00
Suspended Ceiling Removal ad reinstall $35,970.00
Paint Interior Material & Labor $4360.00
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$94.257.75 doesn't even include the cost of the A/C
I have to ass/u/me the above items are pertaining to the cost the Gymnasium Air Conditioner because the items would most likely not be required for just roofing and installation of all the other air conditioners.
This total does not even include the cost of the extra large air conditioner for cooling the gymnasium.
Just consider if this Air Conditioner for the Gymnasium is a necessity? The school has operated just fine for the 23, 30 or 40 years it has been in operation. Ask yourself if it is a need or someone's personal desire.
Ask yourself is it cost effective?
Ask yourself is it cost effective to borrow $1,476,000.00 for the overall cost of the job, when they have $1,000,000.00 on hand in unencumbered funds? How much will the yearly interest payment on the $1,476,000.00 be?
The best I can calculate without the entire proper bookkeeping and loan calculators is a rough estimate.
For a note of $1,500,000.00 at 2% interest for 10 years I come up with the following numbers:
Are they borrowing the money just as an excuse to raise property taxes even higher?
Monthly payment $13,208.02
Monthly Principle $11,302.02
Monthly Interest $ 2,500.00
For a note of $1,500,000.00 at 3% interest for 10 years I come up with the following (*rough) numbers:
Monthly payment $14,484.11
Monthly Principle $10,743.11
Monthly Interest $ 3,750.00
Are they borrowing the total amount, instead of using the $1,000,000.00 unencumbered funds on hand, just as an excuse to raise property taxes even higher?
Let's assume that they were to use the $1,000,000.00 unencumbered funds on hand and borrow the difference, what would happen to the loan?
For a note of $500,000.00 at 3% interest for 10 years I come up with the following (*rough) numbers:
Monthly payment $ 4,828.04
Monthly Principle $ 3,578.04
Monthly Interest $ 1,241.05
For a note of $500,000.00 at 2% interest for 10 years I come up with the following (rough) numbers:
Monthly payment $ 4600.67
Monthly Principle $ 3767.34
Monthly Interest $ 833.33
But what difference does it make if you can possibly save $200,000.00 to $250,000.00 in taxpayer dollars over the length of a 10 year loan?
Is anyone capable of providing better numbers?
Shouldn't the taxpayers footing the bill know how their money is wasted or used?
The information by law is public information.
*rough = guestimates
Documentation mentioned is posted at https://app.box.com/s/a423vkgxrsl4g1h5axc24rootueacekv
Last night's West Elk School Board Meeting
Beg, beg, beg for more money and use the children to coerce parents to pay.
The School Government doesn't have a Financial problem they are like our Liberal Federal Government they have a spending problem. Which translates to a lack of Critical Thinking and knowing the difference between what is actually needed and what is wanted which leads to spend, spend, and spend some more.
What the heck am I talking about beg, beg, beg and use the kids to coerce their parents into paying or as they call it giving donations?
I'm talking about the "Gift of Knowledge" presentation. Presented by Linda Scott, who said she doesn't much trust most stuff on the Internet? But this one she trusts, because her daughter-in-law and her daughter-in-law's brother started it. For Giving the Gift of Knowledge you sign up on line with your donation with a credit card for a monthly withdrawal of $5, $15 or $35 amounts offered or use a box that allows entry of any amount. That would be an automatic monthly withdrawal from your credit card
By saying use of your children for coercion I mean they will use Giving the Gift of Knowledge as a fund raise to get you and your relatives and friends to sign up and give the children a small reward for doing it. The school would receive 97% of the money to use at their discretion such as playground equipment that was mentioned. The web sight is www.giftofknowlede.org or www.givingthegiftofknowlede.org . I could not find the web site. Please let us know if you find it. Oh, there was a motion and a second to accept membership with Giving the Gift of knowledge and was approved.
Other talk from Superintendent Moore about the upcoming construction and roof repair and air conditioner replacement.
The School Office will be moved to the Superintendent's building for the construction. They will still have wireless connections to the school computers. Now that sounds like an excellent idea. Why not just make that a permanent move and utilize all the space efficiently? That would allow for more classrooms in the school building wouldn't it. How badly do they really want all the children inside the main building? Just food for thought. Does the school really have to waste space by having two separate offices?
Mr. Moore said they would place pictures of the work and receipts for the work, which they will receive as each phase completes in the drop box over the Internet. Anyone that has a password can check the progress there. Secret Public Information, hmmmm!
Why do they need the secrecy of public information in a drop box that requires a password?
Where is the transparency at West Elk USD-282?
This is not a private NGO or private business, it is a public entity, which means it is paid for by the property taxpayers and therefore owned by the taxpayers.
West Elk has us paying big bucks for all the computers and servers that provides a web site for dissemination of public information, yet they fail to provide information to the owners who they work for and receive a pay check from. Why? Why isn't the School Budget posted it is public information? Why aren't those pictures and receipts posted for the public? If they have the time and our tax dollars to post them privately they have time to post them openly to the public. Or are they hiding something. We have learned from the Federal Government about working secretly, as recent as Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation and how crooked they are using secrecy. Even deleting e-mails as Secretary of State. So how can a person trust all this lack of transparency?
It was stated that the Computer State Testing has ended. The testing Started near the end of March. Nice information to know isn't it? But they didn't tell you that the State Computer testing is simply Common Core Testing renamed did they? They also didn't tell you that you could opt your child out of the Common Core testing did they?
Take it all with a grain of salt or look into it yourself.
Some things you won't read in the School Board Minutes, because you don;t need to know !
This is just my opinion and views and nothing more.
If you want to talk about schools start a different thread. It has nothing to do with Elk Konnected.
Quote from: proelkco on May 12, 2015, 08:38:00 PM
If you want to talk about schools start a different thread. It has nothing to do with Elk Konnected.
Who are you to give orders?
Did you acquire ownership of the forum?
Where is your critical thinking?
Elk Konnected has at least 2 members on the School Board, perhaps all pf the Board Members are Elk Konnected but nobody wants to admit it.
People deny Elk Konnected by hiding their affiliation, in my personal opinion.
In the same way that i believe you do.
I'm entitled to my opinion --- you know that Freedom of Speech thing that Liberals hate and call name to try to stop freedom of speech.
Or is it you just want this thread with all of it's information to disappear?
Whatever the case, Keep trying. You have my fondness approval. LOL
Thanks for the visit.
VIDEO: Democrat Rep:
'You Don't Have a Right to Know'
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Isn't this the same attitude of the West Elk USD-282 School Board and Administration & Staff?The School Board is a Government that Governs the School for the voters and taxpayers.
i WONDER DO THEY REALIZE THEY WORK FOR US, THE PUBLIC?
So why are they posting school business and information on the internet in a drop box that requires a password, to access this public information? Why the secrecy? Where is the transparency for the public, for the parents, for the voters, for the taxpayers? What are they hiding? We pay big bucks for all that technology and a very, very small part of it could be easily used to keep us updated, don't you think? They take the time to post the information in a secret drop box and rather than hide it the very same information provided to the School Board and Teachers and Coaches can just as easily be posted for everyone and not use any more computer data.
And all information with the exception of discipilanry action is Public Information.
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From what most of you have told me, you don't believe half what Ross says. Also most ofyouhave told me you think the West Elk SchoolBoard is doing a great job. From all of the academics awards and Scholarships the students are getting it is obvious the West Elk Faculty is doing a great job.the best thing that has happened to Ross's posting is that he is being ignored. Ross is obviously Elk disconnected. Ross has ruined the Forum, with his negative crap and nasty remarks to anyone that disagrees with him.
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 15, 2015, 11:00:22 AM
From what most of you have told me, you don't believe half what Ross says. Also most ofyouhave told me you think the West Elk SchoolBoard is doing a great job. From all of the academics awards and Scholarships the students are getting it is obvious the West Elk Faculty is doing a great job.the best thing that has happened to Ross's posting is that he is being ignored. Ross is obviously Elk disconnected.
Hi Joesue, so you continue talking about imaginary people, huh?
Apparently your medication isn't working very well. I'm so sorry for you.
First, all schools hand out academic awards and scholarships, no serious point about how the school is doing.
Second, the state rates/grades West Elk as only average like most schools in the state.
Third, none of what you speak of addresses any of the school acamedic teaching standards.
And there is still so much more involved that you have no clue about.
The wasteful spending of taxpayer dollars does nothing for any of the above mentioned.
Nothing addresses the New World Order through the United Nations Agenda 21 Common Core testing being forced on schools across the nation either does it? Nor all the deception that goes with it?
You got one thing right and you will always get it right every time you say it ---- I am
Elk Disconnected and very proud of that fact.
Elk Konnected in my opinion is for sheeple often known as followers that are willing to be led by the nose. So yes I am proud to be
Elk Disconnected and be my own man.
You are quite wrong about my postings being ignored just take a look at the numbers at the top of the page.
I don't ask anyone to believe anything I post but my posts do provide food for thought.
Then there is you, who seems to lack that ability and only appears to only possess the abilities of a progressive liberal who doesn't approve of thinking for them selves and belongs to things like
Elk Konnected.But just the same it is always a pleasure to have you on board.
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Quote from: ROSS on May 15, 2015, 03:44:33 PM
If you don't think Common Core isn't bad enough
Look what the the Education Secretary and
our Dictator Obama think
should happen !
This all started with the Liberal idea that It Takes a Village!
Scary: Education Secretary Sets The Stage For
'Public Boarding Schools'
"There are just certain kids we should have 24/7..."
Of course this matters not to those to whom the First Amendment is meaningless.
Indeed, one man's "hate speech" is another man's truth, and as I've often said, truth is hate to those who hate truth.
And boy do they hate it.
And so they mean to muzzle it.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/the-have-tos-of-the-despots-u-s-christians-under-siege/#3i4XkuLM35b3rZCk.99
The Forum has become the Ross and Redcliff Forum. All they oat are lies and crap.Ross thinks a lot of the people are reading his posts but the ones reading it are not forum members. Hopefully the Moderators will shut the Forum down shortly and stop the crap posting.
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 19, 2015, 09:14:20 AM
The Forum has become the Ross and Redcliff Forum. All they oat are lies and crap.Ross thinks a lot of the people are reading his posts but the ones reading it are not forum members. Hopefully the Moderators will shut the Forum down shortly and stop the crap posting.
Joesue23 you have my sympathy you apparently are a very ill person and off your meds.
Please seek help immediately!
I really do feel you really do deserve an improvement in your Quality of Life.
Perrhaps the experts in Quality of Life at Elk Konnected will volunteer to help you.
Please call them at # reality check or 7-325-482-4325, (not a real phone numberit is fanatsy)
Is everyone in Montgomery County as Liberal minded as you?
You are very entertaining, thanks for visiting.
Have a Great Day Joesue23 of Montgomery County.
Ross you are the sick one, and several people have agreed with that. You are the number one cause that few if any one posts anymore.
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 19, 2015, 03:39:29 PM
Ross you are the sick one, and several people have agreed with that. You are the number one cause that few if any one posts anymore.
Now, now, I suppose none of your friends from
Elk Konnected volunteered to run to your aid to help with your "Quality of Life" .
Such a shame because the accused me of never volunteering. When, what they really meant was I didn't volunteer for their little
Elk Konnected, LLC. Tch, Tch. And none of them volunteer to help you.
You are always talking about people and I have to ask are those people figments of your imagination?
You continue to fail to recognize the numdrous topics and threads on this forum and all the posting on them, you have my sympaty.
Please. please seek help !
Have a good evening over there in Montgomery County and I wll too here in Elk County.
One twisted individual, self centered and an Idiot. Ross you are always babbling about the County Commissioners and the School Board, not hardly anyone pays any attention to you. You couldn't even get enough votes as Commisioner to say you ran.that should tell you what the people of Elk County think you , you are a liar and a blowhard and totally Full of Crap.
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Quote from: Joesue23 on May 20, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
One twisted individual, self centered and an Idiot.
Are you trying to bait me?
So sorry you are failing.
You sound very angry and hope I respond accordingly.
I'm sorry it ain't gonna happen.
Self-Centered you say, where do you come up with that?
I have only tried to let the people of Elk County know what is going on with their tax dollars and how the elected officials are wasting their money? The elected officials are acting just like the elected officials in Washington, D.C. and at least some of them are
Elk Konnected
affiliated. I don't ask that they believe anything I post, I ask that they consider and discuss the issues and be aware.
An idiot doesn't pay attention, are you paying even a little bit of attention?
Please keep reading.
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 20, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
Roses you are a,ways babbling about the County Commissioners and the School Board, not hardly anyone pays any attention to you.
Babbling – yes perhaps so --- to someone who is incapable of paying attention.
Did you even read any of the documentation I've posted? That is hardly babbling!
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 20, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
You couldn'tevenget enough votes as Commisioner to say you ran.that should tell you that the people of Elk County think you are a Liar and Full of Crap, Crap .
Why would I concern myself with what your two or three friends think, they are probably just as confused as you sound and they are probably those voices in your head.
* I apologize for that, the devil made me do it.*You really haven't been paying attention have you?
It must either be that Liberal education you received or lack of education, I don't know which, and would you share with us what education you may or may not have ?
Wouldn't I have to run for County Commissioner to receive any votes for that position?
Please pay attention:
I have never run for Elk County Commissioner, I have never had a desire to run for Commissioner.
And once again you are talking about those imaginary people that apparently hate me. Are those voices in your head still talking to you? That is what that medication is for !
No Joesue23 (male, female, transgender whatever you are?) I think you may be very confused.
Me, I am not full of crap, read just a little of the documentation and educated yourself. That would be greatly appreciated!
Three little itty bitty questions for you Joe or Sue !
1. Do you believe taxpayer dollars should be squandered in the fashion that progressive liberals and socialists waste them?
2. Do you think it is the job of County Commissioners to give away taxpayers dollars?
3. Why does it matter to you as a resident of Montgomery County?
A couple of honest answers would be appreciated. I sincerely hope the questions are not to difficult for you.
As always it is a pleasure to entertain you.
Ta Ta for now JoeSue !
Joesue-
You're not so much against Ross as you are solidly under the liberal and the socialist movement. Their cause is your cause.
Perhaps Ross is outnumbered in Elk County, but he's right and so are a lot of other Americans who don't favor the Obama types and the Republican types.
Blah Blah Blah Blah look at the Forum Ross no one posts anything anymore, you are the biggest cause of that. You are totally full of crap.
That's about all you can say - your defense of socialism is to talk of Ross.
It is no credit to Ross that he has you as a Supporter. You know absolutely nothing about my political be.kefs and preferences. You are as full of hot air as Ross.
You're right that I don't know about your beliefs.
I'm thinking that you're a socialist and you keep showing to us that's the direction that you're leaning. That's how it's looking from here.
I am thinking you are an Obuma supporter in disguise.
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 20, 2015, 07:22:04 AM
You're right that I don't know about your beliefs.
I'm thinking that you're a socialist and you keep showing to us that's the direction that you're leaning. That's how it's looking from here.
I don't think so Red, I think she is just someone's puppet.
And I think you can figure out who is pulling the strings.
It is all very entertaining, but out of desperation in my opinion
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 20, 2015, 07:35:12 AM
I am thinking you are an Obuma supporter in disguise.
And your education doesn't teach you that conservatives are not Obama supporters !
So what good is your education?
Joe sue at least Ross does not hide behind a mask his opinion is the same to every one.if you are going to poke sticks at a wild animal at least have as biga balls as Diane,(Diane that's meant as a compliment).I hope this helps
Quote from: upoladeb on May 20, 2015, 09:49:04 AM
Joe sue at least Ross does not hide behind a mask his opinion is the same to every one.if you are going to poke sticks at a wild animal at least have as biga balls as Diane,(Diane that's meant as a compliment).I hope this helps
Thank you Upoladeb for the kind words.
I was just reading an article titled,
"Do You Want A Communist America" .From the article: The idea of a communist America – big C or small – was once the stuff of movie fantasies like "Red Dawn."
Not any longer. Not since the Democratic Party mainstream establishment began to embrace essentially the same political agenda as the Communist Party USA, founded as an arm of the Soviet Union before its fall, as well as the Socialist Party USA.
Today, the thought of socialism is no longer categorically rejected by a significant percentage of Americans, while communism, despite its genocidal history, no longer raises fears of gulags, tyranny and re-education camps. (there is more to read)
The article also asked the question, "How did this happen? How did we reach this state of affairs?"
I say, It's called apathy ---- Too few are paying attention to what our governments are doing. City, County, State and Federal governments are behaving like Liberal Socialists and the voters keep these elected officials in office. In my opinion it all stems from the Dumbing Down of America !
What can the citizen do --- Speak up and also vote the socialists elite out, that believe that tax payers dollars are to be wasted on wants instead of being used for needs. And encourage more people to be interested and more people voting.
The article can be read at: http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/do-you-want-a-communist-america/
This article is an excellent read with many very good points. What happened to God in America is but one question in the article.
I try to be as honest as I can be, but it's still just my opinion.
Ross, I would say that your admirer :laugh: is one of those youngsters with not much to do. Too bad some of that time isn't spent becoming informed, but instead spent trying to put someone down to build themselves up. An age old problem some have. At least our friend back east researches her answers for the most part, even though being set in her ways. ;)
Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 21, 2015, 10:05:39 AM
Ross, I would say that your admirer :laugh: is one of those youngsters with not much to do. Too bad some of that time isn't spent becoming informed, but instead spent trying to put someone down to build themselves up. An age old problem some have. At least our friend back east researches her answers for the most part, even though being set in her ways. ;)
i think you are most likely very right Bullwinkle but it's kind of fun communicating with both of them.
I don't mind them calling me names, I'm sure it relieves a lot of pressure for lack of understanding.
I know I can be an ass, but can't we all be one at some time pr another.
I was a sailor for 10 years and recieved many, many, many insults and called many, many many names. It was like a traditional thing in the old time Navy and if you could not handle it you got ground into the dirt. These people don;t have the talent of a sailor in action back then. Practically every other word out of an old time sailor was a swear word. Old salts were the best.
I hope you have a great night Bullwinkle.
I've tried to discuss leadership on this thread because I have only seen three real leaders in
Elk County and they knowwho they are. Two of them were one was voted out and another quit.
You do not command or demand leadership, you earn it just as you earn respect. I earned ny stripes
in the military through hard work, I earned my respect as a leader of men through harder work.
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LEADERSHIP 5/20/2015 Want To Do Big Things?
Make Yourself Small
How do you define a leader?
It's a question I've been asking myself for years now and one I try to ask the CEOs, business owners and managers I come into contact with. (Notice I didn't say leaders I come in contact with. A title doesn't automatically confer leadership. Too often, it's a quality we take for granted, assuming that authority comes with a position.)
Type "leader definition" into Google and the result is what seems like a simple answer: "a person who leads or commands a group, organization or country." Merriam-Webster has a similar solution: "A person who has commanding authority or influence."
What's the common thread between these standard definitions? Commanding, a word with synonyms like imposing or controlling. In the commonly-held point of view, it seems like a leader is someone who makes his or her desires into reality by exerting force over others.
But is that true?
Most of us seem to associate the word "leader" with stereotypical personality traits such as charisma, dynamism, self-motivation and forcefulness. There's nothing wrong with any of these characteristics in and of themselves. Most successful leaders I have met exemplify some if not all of them. But just because these are the commonly thought of features, does that make them the best or definitive ones?
Most of us seem to associate the word "leader" with stereotypical personality traits such as charisma, dynamism, self-motivation and forcefulness. There's nothing wrong with any of these characteristics in and of themselves. Most successful leaders I have met exemplify some if not all of them. But just because these are the commonly thought of features, does that make them the best or definitive ones?
Between technological interconnection and social pressure, the world has been reshaped faster than we have yet been able to reshape ourselves. It has become deeply, irreversibly, interdependent. To adapt appropriately, we need to reconsider how we think about leaders and leadership. Today, there is a less obvious characteristic that is growing more important and consequential than it's ever been before.
Humility.
The way we normally use the word, humility tends to suggest passivity. Humble people lower themselves to the will of others. They get passed by or stepped on. While this seems antithetical to our earlier definitions, neither one is true. Humility isn't a weakness. Humility is the heart of great leadership.
Humility comes from the Latin word "humus" meaning "ground, soil or earth." It is literally the condition of being grounded, of being "down to earth." It expresses being in touch with the soil, of a deep connection to the fundamental source of life, animation and growth. Far from diminishing one's authority, humility enlarges it.
Humility enables moral authority—"power through people"— in the form of values-based, inspirational leadership. It takes humility to realize that ideals and shared values are greater and more enduring than any individual, especially the leader formally in charge.
There's still a tremendous need in both business and the world for power and authority. In fact, it's hard to imagine working in a world without any power or authority. The challenge is this: formal command-based authority is losing its potency. It's disappearing and dissipating, becoming so incorporeal that it cannot be hoarded any longer. Today's power must be harnessed and channeled. As the vacuum left by formal authority grows, the possibility and necessity for moral authority becomes even more pressing. We need new attributes for a new type of power. We need humble leaders, because humility is the cornerstone of moral authority.
In his groundbreaking study of the role of humility in leadership, leadership guru Jim Collins writes about Darwin E. Smith, the CEO of Kimberly-Clark from 1971 to 1991. Like Superman's alter-ego Clark Kent, Smith was known as shy, "mild-mannered" and unpretentious. He even doubted his own qualifications when he was elevated to CEO from the position of in-house lawyer. Throughout his tenure, he avoided personal publicity like a plague.
And yet, he was determined and fearless when it came to making difficult decisions and seeing them through. According to Collins, great leaders succeed "through a paradoxical combination of personal humility plus professional will."
Smith and his team determined that the company's traditional profit center, its manufacturing mills and coated paper products, were in a bad market with weak competitors. He sold all of the mills and reinvested the proceeds into the consumer paper business, which was then dominated by world-class competitors, Procter & Gamble and Scott Paper. Fast forward 25 years and Kimberly-Clark outperformed P&G in six of the eight product categories in which they competed.
Collins found that the very best leaders, with the very best results, are consistently modest. Eleven out of eleven of the companies that transitioned from "good to great" in his 1965-1995 study of 1435 Fortune 500 businesses, had leaders with the strong trait of humility. When discussing the accomplishments of their companies, these CEOs downplayed their own role and highlighted the contributions of the executives around them.
In the ten years since Collins' study appeared, the world has become even more hyper-connected and interdependent. Power is no longer exercised over people but through them. With leaders and the led increasingly standing on level ground, great leaders avoid autocratic behavior and instead, look to those around them as the engines of innovation and change. Today, humility isn't just a nice thing to have, it's necessary to thrive as a leader.
In a recent article in the Harvard Business Review about a study evaluating the key attributes executives desired in their CEOs, humility was the first trait listed. Highly regarded CEOs were six times more likely to be described as humble as their less well-regarded peers. Unfortunately, only one in four of the CEOs in the study were described by their executives as humble.
In another study by Catalyst, a nonprofit organization that expands opportunities for women in business, a global survey of 1,500 workers revealed that when employees perceived altruism and selfless behavior in managers, they were more likely to "feel included" in work. The more included workers felt, the more innovative they were in their jobs, suggesting new ideas, and "going beyond the call of duty" to meet workplace objectives.
Humility is the opposite of weakness. When a leader is willingly vulnerable and exposes his or her humanity, they create a culture in which employees willingly contribute their own humanity, offering up capacities for collaboration, communication and passion.
By contrast, leaders with outsized egos and grandiose visions may be productive in the short term, but they almost inevitably ignore the advice of their followers, even when they're driving their companies straight off a cliff. The famously egotistical Al Dunlap ran Scott Paper for 19 months, overlapping with Smith's long tenure at Kimberly-Clark. Dunlap's decisions slashed Scott Paper into a shadow of its former self, before he eventually sold off the company to Smith. Arrogant, egotistical leaders lack listening skills, empathy, and cannot embrace the collaboration and mentorship of the next generation of leaders. Despite their forcefulness, they're missing the attributes of a great, humble, leader.
Humility is all about your disposition and stance. A humble person can still have a swagger. He or she can still celebrate victory. Humbleness does not mean false modesty. It means a more inclusive approach to leadership.
How can leaders start down this more productive road, relinquishing formal "do it because I'm the boss" authority for the moral authority of a humble leader?
Perform a Moral Audit: Ask yourself what you stand for and why you get out of bed every morning. If those answers don't line up with you and your employees' daily activities, you need to do the deep work of aligning your behaviors with your values. When gaps are exposed, real leaders go to the "values gym", developing and strengthening muscles like empathy, resiliency, consistency, courage and rigor about the truth. After Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini read Capital in the 21st Century by economist Thomas Picketty, which critiques the current direction of corporate America, he enlisted his leadership team to engage in a conversation about the role of business and capitalism in today's world. Inspired, they realigned around a more inclusive approach to business for Aetna—"to bring everyone along, not just a few." As a bold first step in this direction, they raised the minimum wage for all employees to $16. For them, it wasn't just the right thing to do, it was an exercise in moral authority stemming from a rigorous examination of their stated values alignment to their day-to-day business practices.
Extend Trust: Old school leaders expected others to earn their trust, inspecting each action with suspicion and spreading discontent with every fault found. Today, great leaders extend trust to inspire better collaboration, commitment and innovation among employees and other business partners. By extending trust and allowing others to take the right sorts of risks, you inspire them to discover new and better ideas instead of mindlessly clinging to conventional practices. Pret A Manger, the London-based restaurant chain, has done exactly this by abandoning "loyalty programs". Instead of a standardized system that rewards repeat customers with free coffee, Pret has put that power and its trust into the hands of its employees. By allowing employees to decide who to give coffee or snacks to on their own, Pret A Manger's program gives workers a greater sense of ownership and responsibility in their interactions. The customers are their customers and the company's success is their success. As result, 28 percent of customers now get something for free when they visit a Pret A Manger, and the brand's success is only growing.
Make Yourself Small: Leaders need to move beyond conventional motivation and coercion methods like carrots and sticks. Relying on rules and policies and formal authority as your source of power won't work if you want your company to thrive. You should recognize that the source of your authority is the people who work with you. Rather than trying to coerce respect or performance out of your employees, inspire them with your own behavior and commitment to collaboration. A humble leader is present and involved, but able to contract and create an emotional atmosphere where others can contribute. Humble leaders trust others to expand and provide great performances. When the late Nelson Mandela became the President of South Africa, despite being a universal symbol of the country's transition out of Apartheid, he did not make the moment about himself. It was not about his imprisonment, his revenge, his triumph, but instead about the communal transition from decades of institutional race based segregation to a new inclusive future for the entire country. Mandela saw that his real challenge was not to be the hope, but to inspire hope in others. Mandela made himself small so that the South African people could do something big.
Henry David Thoreau once said that, "Humility, like darkness reveals the heavenly lights." Humble leaders contract, make themselves small, and give others the chance to rise to the occasion. By letting your people shine, you engender an inspired and enlisted workforce, committed to a collective mission that promotes greater success for your company as a whole.
Humility is a sign of deep personal strength, self-possession and resolve. It takes a strong person to let others take the reins and trust them to do what is right. When leading by example creates a culture that inspires engagement, you are no longer just leading employees. You are a leader among a team of leaders, working together to accomplish much more than any one individual with a title could ever hope for.
Read at: http://www.forbes.com/sites/dovseidman/2015/05/20/want-to-do-big-things-make-yourself-small/?utm_campaign=Forbes&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_channel=Leadership&linkId=14380705
SOMETHING iNTERESTING in my personal opinion.
Sounds a lot like "Like Mindedness and Followers"
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Groupthink
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people, in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. Group members try to minimize conflict and reach a consensus decision without critical evaluation of alternative viewpoints, by actively suppressing dissenting viewpoints, and by isolating themselves from outside influences.
Loyalty to the group requires individuals to
avoid raising controversial issues or alternative solutions, and there is loss of individual creativity, uniqueness and independent thinking. The dysfunctional group dynamics of the "ingroup" produces an "illusion of invulnerability" (an inflated certainty that the right decision has been made). Thus the "ingroup" significantly overrates its own abilities in decision-making, and significantly underrates the abilities of its opponents (the "outgroup"). Furthermore groupthink can produce dehumanizing actions against the "outgroup".
Antecedent factors such as group cohesiveness, faulty group structure, and situational context (e.g., community panic) play into the likelihood of whether or not groupthink will impact the decision-making process.
Groupthink is a construct of social psychology but has an extensive reach, and influences literature in the fields of communication studies, political science, management, and organizational theory,[1] as well as important aspects of deviant religious cult behaviour.[2][3]
Groupthink is sometimes stated to occur (more broadly) within natural groups within the community, for example to explain the lifelong different mindsets of conservatives versus liberals,[4] or the solitary nature of introverts.[5] However, this conformity of viewpoints within a group does not mainly involve deliberate group decision-making, and thus is perhaps better explained by the collective confirmation bias of the individual members of the group.
Most of the initial research on groupthink was conducted by Irving Janis, a research psychologist from Yale University.[6] Janis published an influential book in 1972, which was revised in 1982.[7][8] Later studies have evaluated and reformulated his groupthink model.[9][10]
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Irving Janis
I use the term groupthink as a quick and easy way to refer to the mode of thinking that persons engage in when concurrence-seeking becomes so dominant in a cohesive ingroup that it tends to override realistic appraisal of alternative courses of action. Groupthink is a term of the same order as the words in the newspeak vocabulary George Orwell used in his dismaying world of 1984. In that context, groupthink takes on an invidious connotation. Exactly such a connotation is intended, since the term refers to a deterioration in mental efficiency, reality testing and moral judgments as a result of group pressures.[6]:43
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
I do believe this would make a great deal of sense for Elk County.
I believe Elk County Commissioners could require this to make voting a lot fairer.
Let's get the system modernized, bring it into the Twentith Century.
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Supreme Court to consider redefining 'one-person, one-vote' principle
Richard Wolf, USA TODAY 6:02 p.m. EDT May 26, 2015WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court agreed Tuesday to define what it meant by "one person, one vote" a half century ago.
The justices will consider a challenge brought by two rural voters in Texas who claim their state Senate ballots carry less weight than those cast in urban areas with large numbers of non-citizens ineligible to vote.
Under the current system in nearly all states, state legislative districts are drawn with roughly equal populations. The standard dates back to decisions made by the Supreme Court in the early 1960s.
If the justices change the standard from total population to legal voters, illegal and some legal immigrants would not be counted, along with children and most prisoners who have committed felonies. That would equalize the power of each vote but result in districts of unequal population.
Read more at: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/05/26/supreme-court-voting-rights/27800607/
Received this in an e-mail and wanted to share it with you.
If you have what it takes to read a long story.
So sad but so true.
Spend, Spend, Spend
Beg, Beg, Beg
Where have the morals gone.
Belatedly Goodbye My America !
My heart is broken. Ross
WHY HILLARY WILL WIN IN 2016
Please take a moment to digest this provocative article by a Jewish Rabbi from Teaneck , N.J. It is far and away the most succinct and thoughtful
explanation on of how our nation is changing . The article appeared in The Israel National News, and is directed to Jewish readership. 70% of American Jews vote as Democrats. The Rabbi has some interesting comments in that regard.
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"The most charitable way of explaining the election results of 2012 is that Americans voted for the status quo - for the incumbent President and for a divided Congress. They must enjoy gridlock, partisanship, incompetence, economic stagnation and avoidance of responsibility. And fewer people voted.
But as we awake from the nightmare, it is important to eschew the facile explanations for the Romney defeat that will prevail among the chattering classes. Romney did not lose because of the effects of Hurricane Sandy that devastated this area, nor did he lose because he ran a poor campaign, nor did he lose because the Republicans could have chosen better candidates, nor did he lose because Obama benefited from a slight uptick in the economy due to the business cycle. Romney lost because he didn't get enough votes to win.
That might seem obvious, but not for the obvious reasons. Romney lost because the conservative virtues - the traditional American virtues - of liberty, hard work, free enterprise, private initiative and aspirations to moral greatness - no longer inspire or animate a majority of the electorate.
The simplest reason why Romney lost was because it is impossible to compete against free stuff.
Every businessman knows this; that is why the "loss leader" or the giveaway is such a powerful marketing tool. Obama's America is one in which free stuff is given away: the adults among the 47,000,000 on food stamps clearly recognized for whom they should vote, and so they did, by the tens of millions; those who - courtesy of Obama - receive two full years of unemployment benefits (which, of course, both disincentives looking for work and also motivates people to work off the books while collecting their windfall) surely know for whom to vote. The lure of free stuff is irresistible.
The defining moment of the whole campaign was the revelation of the secretly-recorded video in which Romney acknowledged the difficulty of winning an election in which "47% of the people" start off against him because they pay no taxes and just receive money - "free stuff" - from the government.
Almost half of the population has no skin in the game - they don't care about high taxes, promoting business, or creating jobs, nor do they care that the money for their free stuff is being borrowed from their children and from the Chinese.
They just want the free stuff that comes their way at someone else's expense. In the end, that 47% leaves very little margin for error for any Republican, and does not bode well for the future.
It is impossible to imagine a conservative candidate winning against such overwhelming odds . People do vote their pocketbooks. In essence, the people vote for a Congress who will not raise their taxes, and for a President who will give them free stuff, never mind who has to pay for it.
That engenders the second reason why Romney lost: the inescapable conclusion that the electorate is ignorant and uninformed. Indeed, it does not pay to be an informed voter, because most other voters - the clear majority - are unintelligent and easily swayed by emotion and raw populism. That is the indelicate way of saying that too many people vote with their hearts and not their heads. That is why Obama did not have to produce a second term agenda, or even defend his first-term record. He needed only to portray Mitt Romney as a rapacious capitalist who throws elderly women over a cliff, when he is not just snatching away their cancer medication, while starving the poor and cutting taxes for the rich.
During his 1956 presidential campaign, a woman called out to Adlai Stevenson: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!" Truer words were never spoken.
Obama could get away with saying that "Romney wants the rich to play by a different set of rules" - without ever defining what those different rules were; with saying that the "rich should pay their fair share" - without ever defining what a "fair share" is; with saying that Romney wants the poor, elderly and sick to "fend for themselves" - without even acknowledging that all these government programs are going bankrupt, their current insolvency only papered over by deficit spending.
Similarly, Obama (or his surrogates) could hint to blacks that a Romney victory would lead them back into chains and proclaim to women that their abortions and birth control would be taken away. He could appeal to Hispanics that Romney would have them all arrested and shipped to Mexico and unabashedly state that he will not enforce the current immigration laws. He could espouse the furtherance of the incestuous relationship between governments and unions - in which politicians ply the unions with public money, in exchange for which the unions provide the politicians with votes, in exchange for which the politicians provide more money and the unions provide more votes, etc., even though the money is gone.
Obama also knows that the electorate has changed - that whites will soon be a minority in America (they're already a minority in California) and that the new immigrants to the US are primarily from the Third World and do not share the traditional American values that attracted immigrants in the 19th and 20th centuries. It is a different world, and a different America . Obama is part of that different America , knows it, and knows how to tap into it. That is why he won.
Obama also proved again that negative advertising works, invective sells, and harsh personal attacks succeed. That Romney never engaged in such diatribes points to his essential goodness as a person; his "negative ads" were simple facts, never personal abuse - facts about high unemployment, lower take-home pay, a loss of American power and prestige abroad, a lack of leadership, etc. As a politician, though, Romney failed because he did not embrace the devil's bargain of making unsustainable promises.
It turned out that it was not possible for Romney and Ryan - people of substance, depth and ideas - to compete with the shallow populism and platitudes of their opponents. Obama mastered the politics of envy - of class warfare - never reaching out to Americans as such but to individual groups, and cobbling together a winning majority from these minority groups. If an Obama could not be defeated - with his record and his vision of America , in which free stuff seduces voters - it is hard to envision any change in the future.
The road to Hillary Clinton in 2016 and to a European-socialist economy - those very economies that are collapsing today in Europe - is paved.
For Jews, mostly assimilated anyway and staunch Democrats, the results demonstrate again that liberalism is their Torah. Almost 70% voted for a president widely perceived by Israelis and most committed Jews as hostile to Israel . They voted to secure Obama's future at America 's expense and at Israel 's expense - in effect, preferring Obama to Netanyahu by a wide margin.
A dangerous time is ahead. Under present circumstances, it is inconceivable that the US will take any aggressive action against Iran and will more likely thwart any Israeli initiative. The US will preach the importance of negotiations up until the production of the first Iranian nuclear weapon - and then state that the world must learn to live with this new reality.
But this election should be a wake-up call to Jews. There is no permanent empire, nor is there an enduring haven for Jews anywhere in the exile. The American empire began to decline in 2007, and the deterioration has been exacerbated in the last five years. This election only hastens that decline.
Society is permeated with sloth, greed, envy and materialistic excess. It has lost its moorings and its moral foundations. The takers outnumber the givers, and that will only increase in years to come.
The "Occupy" riots across this country in the last two years were mere dress rehearsals for what lies ahead - years of unrest sparked by the increasing discontent of the unsuccessful who want to seize the fruits and the bounty of the successful, and do not appreciate the slow pace of redistribution.
If this election proves one thing, it is that the Old America is gone. And, sad for the world, it is not coming back."
The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.
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Book of the Month
The Smartest Kids in the World
and How They Got That Way,
Amanda Ripley, Simon and Schuster.
Perhaps the most "fundamental theme" that unites the three countries studied in this book is that "everyone — kids, parents, and teachers — saw getting an education as a serious quest, more important than sports or self-esteem."Read the article at:
http://www.eagleforum.org/publications/educate/may15/book-of-the-month.html
The West Elk Board of Education has adopted
6 goals
with the first being
"Facilities"
and the second being
"Kids First".
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The West Elk Board of Education has adopted 6 goals
with the first being "Facilities"
and the second being "Kids First".
Do you see anything wrong with this statement?
How can kids first apply if they ar second to facilities?
Why is it facilities are first?
Shouldn't Education come first?
But if a person were to pay a little attention Sporting Facilities comes first.
The last bond issue that failed was mainly for a second gymnasium which was established at a
Board of Education meeting following the failure of that bond issue. The President of the School Board
Education made that quite clear with his angered response of " I guess my kids will have to grow up
with out having the pleasure of ever playing in a brand new gymnasium".
And the fact of gladly paying ten times the price of crowning the football field so they could have a more professional football field.
And the fact of putting in automated sprinkler systems on ball fields.
And a great deal of expense for tearing out part of the buildings roof and rebuilding it to support an extremly large and extremely heavy air conditioner for the gymnasium. A very expensive undertaking for sports and for a section of building that has never required air conditioning for the last 30 years. 30 years being a guess as to how old the building is.
The so called leaders appear to have the idea (from the fictional movie) "Build It and They will Come", to cure the ever declining population of Elk County. "Build It and They will Come". not hardly follks, not hardly!
So yes, I can see where "Facilities" comes first!
Sporting "Facilities" first that is!
Sporting "Facilities" first before taxpayers and voters concerns ! Like good little socialists spend, spend, spend !
Sporting "Facilities" first before actual education!
Why do I say that? Because the money could have been used for the extra class rooms the Board had on the last Bond Issue! They could have produced those class rooms right inside the building by adding a few inside walls dividing a few class rooms into two class rooms. Their hired Architects told them the rooms were luxurious and a simple dividing wall could do the job. But it's Sports "Facilities" first, right?
They have removed the large sign in front of the school for posting events.
All the sign needed was a little maintenance from the maintenance crew we pay for doing maintenance.
Perhaps a new piece of plywood for the back of it and a gallon of paint was all it needed!
They talked about replacing it with one of them big fancy computerized digital monitors, so it is my guess rather than have maintenance do some minor repairs, get rid of it and buy a new big fancy computerized digital monitors to put on the highway. Got to have one to post public notices, mainly sports notices. It ain't nothing just taxpayer dollars for the cost of the unit and the cost of maintenance of the unit and the cost of electricity.
It ain't nothing-just someone else's money. What is important is education, not so much, but Number 1 is Sports "Facilities" first, right?
So they gotta buy one of them big fancy computerized digital monitors,
"Build It And They Will Come".
Sports "Facilities" first.
Sports was important to the tryants in the the former communist countries like USSR and East Germany. Government sponsors just about anything nowdays as tyrants usually do. Most people have a favorite government school sports team. How about KU vs KSU? Now that's something big time to watch 'em spend money - and both schools are socialist/liberal. Quite enjoyable for both crowds, one team loses the game and the tyrants rejoice as there'll be another future game. No problem.
The government education spending has been increasing in America with no end in sight anywhere. Stealing liberty. Education is another tyrannical benefit for you.
I am only posting a portion of this article about a Kansas Catholic School. The purpose to show how they view education and funding for it. And their recognition in the difference between want and need.How to Educate a Kid on $10 a Day
By Jack Cashill
The teachers at Padre Pio are grateful, too.
Salaries start at $21,000 a year and don't get much higher. Like Butler, they love their work. Their willingness to teach for so relatively little is one reason that Padre Pio is able to educate its 60-plus students, K-through-8, at roughly $3,650 a year. Tuition covers about half the cost. Fund-raising covers the rest.
The piano at Padre Pio costs about $47,000 or so less, but close to 100 percent of its students are proficient in math.
The school has no pool, no gym, no cafeteria, no buses, no air conditioning. Parents bring the kids. The kids bring their lunches. They all wear uniforms. When it gets hot, everyone sweats a little. At recess, everyone goes outside and runs around. It is much like the grade school I attended—the building is of similar vintage—but there are about 40 fewer students per class.
I toured Padre Pio recently as part of the evaluation team in the school's accreditation process. In each class we entered, the students stood unprompted and greeted us in unison. In the eighth-grade class, I asked the students whether anyone could tell me when the American Civil War started.
I was moved to ask the question after watching a recent video shot at Texas Tech University in which student after student was stumped by the question, "Who won the Civil War?" Said one typical respondent, "Who was even in it?" At Padre Pio, a boy shot up his hand and said, "1861." Warning: Do not try this stunt at home. You will be disappointed.
The fifth-graders, I was told, were studying the Renaissance. I asked them who introduced the printing press to Europe. Every hand shot up. That, by Padre Pio standards, was a no-brainer.
In the second-grade classroom, one boy volunteered that he would soon be 8½ years old. Aware that Padre Pio kids still do multiplication tables, I then asked them how many months in 8½ years. Working together without pen or paper, the kids took less than 30 seconds to get the right answer. (Correct, 102!)
The kindergartners were practicing their phonics—say
"new math" or "whole language" at Padre Pio, and you get your mouth washed out with soap. The kids move on to the first grade only after they learn how to read.
The eighth-graders have kindergarten buddies they look out for. The seventh-graders have first-grade buddies. The older kids learn responsibility and take their roles seriously. Whichever educator thought it would be a good idea to remove kids this age from their natural hierarchy and mix them into an overheated "middle school" bouillabaisse should be forced to translate Common Core manuals into Pig Latin.
And yes, Virginia, let me anticipate your objection,
Padre Pio has had some great success with troubled kids. One reason why is that the school is blessedly free of "bullying." When kids start their days with prayers and a pledge of allegiance, they hold themselves to a higher standard.
The Padre Pio model may not be scalable, but the sentiment behind it should be. "It's a choice you make," Gary Butler reminds us. "You've got to be grateful."
http://www.ingrams.com/article/how-to-educate-a-kid-on-10-a-day/
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Can you recognize some Critical Thinking involved in the School Boards decision making process? Education first! And not keeping up with the Jonses ?
I was just reading an article about Dinesh D'Souza whom I believe everyone is familiar with. Below is a portion of that article. The reason for posting it is fairly simple. To me it represents what has been happening and has happened right here In Elk County and as a matter of fact several places
in Kansas.
The handing out of lollipops by NGO's utilizing Other People's Money such as county coffers for instance, So called Community Conversations which were neither a Community Conversation, nor a Conversation but a practice in training Socialist, in my opinion. Circles of chairs and being forbidden to sit with your spouse or any close relative or personal friends, what more control do you need? Oh I almost forgot the little kindergarten colored stars, How demeaning is that?
While reading my "Monthly Rag "Kansas Country Living" specifically an article by
Public Squares, Inc, the parent company of
Elk Konnected, LLC, I read the antiquated and over used cliché
" On Behalf Of The Common Good". A blatantly obscure cliché. Just what does that mean? For who's
Common Good? In what fashion is it good for you or me?
" On Behalf Of the Common Good" totally lacks any form of transparency, in my opinion.
I suppose you might learn what the
Common Good is, if you are perhaps lining your own wallet from it. But it still leaves the poor people poor doesn't it? It still leaves the hungry, hungry doesn't it?
It still leaves overtaxing the property owner and continually raising property taxes to build something a handful of people want (not need) for the so called
"Common Good"?Is it for the
"Common Good" to give county tax dollars away as has been rumored with in Elk County?
Who defines
" On Behalf Of the Common Good" ?Were you asked if you want to be included in such a blatantly obscure cliché ?
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OBAMA NEMESIS FREED FROM NIGHTLY CONFINEMENT
Dinesh D'Souza preparing new book, film for 2016 election'Stealing America'
D'Souza told WND the title of his new book will be "Stealing America."
"The theme is that we think of American politics as a clash of ideas in that we stand for 'liberty' while the left stands for 'justice'; we stand for 'freedom,' they stand for 'equality,' and I have spent most of my career debating these ideas," he explained.
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Dinesh D'Souza (Courtesy Dinesh D'Souza)
Dinesh D'Souza (Courtesy Dinesh D'Souza)
"But one of the things I learned in confinement was the hardened criminals I met, even as they were preparing to be released back in society, continue to live at the most basic level."
He said that instead of discussing issues theoretically, he learned the ideology of the criminal is, "How do I get more?"
"It doesn't matter whether it is right for them to get more, but if they have to stage a song and dance to get more, their only question is, 'What is the best song and dance routine I can come up with to get people to go along with my con job or my scam?'
"So, I began to sit back and look at progressives in the Democratic Party as con artists who aren't really attempting to achieve a rival view of America, but are attempting to transfer wealth, power and resources away from the 'haves' in favor of themselves."
He said he began to realize "there's a deep struggle going on in America regarding who should control the massive resources and wealth of the country."
"Is it the entrepreneurial class that creates the wealth," he asked, "or is it a political class that would much rather control and spend those massive resources and wealth themselves?"
D'Souza told WND he had come to understand modern politics in the United States "much more transparently and clearly" by "avoiding the squid-like cloud of rhetoric put up by the Democrats" and "focusing instead on the redistribution of power and wealth the Democrats are really trying to effect."
He explained the objective of the book is not simply to explain how Democrats such as the Clintons have used the façade of a charity to siphon off tens of millions of dollars for their personal benefit. His aim is to show how the leftist progressives that currently have control of the Democratic Party "are trying to redirect the accumulated wealth of America to their leftist control."
"It's about the accumulated wealth of the U.S. educational system, the accumulated wealth of the U.S. energy sector, all the wealth in the United States contained in natural resources and land, all the wealth in the banking and finance centers of the country," D'Souza explained.
He asserted the "goal of the progressive left is not just to pirate the nation's great wealth for people like the Clintons but to control the health system of the United States, the energy economy of the nation, you name it; but the goal is control."
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/obama-nemesis-freed-from-nightly-confinement/#6JHVVjqDOU3pfpjP.99
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Property Tax Abuse Continues
in Kansas Counties
by Dave Trabert on Monday, June 15, 2015The beat goes on, The beat goes onDrums keep pounding a rhythm to the brain
La de da de de, la de da de daI'm reminded of this chorus from a Sonny and Cher song every year when new property tax data is released, with a slight variation. Taxes keep pounding people to the ground. La de da de de, la de da de da.
The new county property tax data for 2014, which excludes cities, school districts and other jurisdictions, shows the beating definitely is going on. Over the last seventeen years, 66 counties had population declines AND county property taxes increases that are greater than the rate of inflation. That is the definition of an excessive tax burden increase on remaining residents, and one must wonder how much those tax burden increases act as a disincentive to population and economic growth in those counties.
The average county property tax increase is 124%. Only 3 counties increased property taxes less than the rate of inflation.
31 counties increased taxes between 44% (inflation) and 100%.
56 counties increased between 100% and 200%.
14 counties increased between 200% and 300%.
Osage county property taxes were the worst...at 340%, with a 7% population decline.
A list of all 105 counties with property tax and population change can be downloaded here. Additional information on large cities and property tax changes inclusive of all jurisdictions within each county is available at KansasOpenGov.org.
There are several reasons why property taxes have gotten so out of control. For starters, Kansas has 32% more local government employees than the national average (employees per 10,000 residents) and is the 49th worst state in the nation on that basis. That lousy ranking is mostly caused by having too many local government entities. Kansas has 1,997 general purpose governments (cities, counties and townships) and therefore only 1,449 residents per general purpose government. With the national average at 8,108 residents per GPG, Kansas has more than 5 times the national average of local governments on a residents-per-GPG basis! See pages 15 through 18 in the 2014 Kansas Green Book for sourcing and more information.
Also, the process is heavily stacked in government's favor. Government decides the value of one's property and then sets the tax rate based on what it wants to spend.
There is no consideration of the ability to pay and the appeals process is stacked in government's favor (although last year's legislative reforms were good improvements).
There simply is no incentive for local government to operate efficiently. Cities and counties decide what they want to spend and send you the bill. The Senate tried to prevent cities and counties from increasing property tax on existing construction by more than inflation without voter approval, but the House took government's side and watered the proposal down with lots of exceptions. The legislation that was finally approved is pretty weak and doesn't even go into effect until 2018.
Cities and counties have taken advantage of citizens for far too long (and haven't even been honest about the amount of increase). At the very least, the Legislature should require a public vote for any tax increase that exceeds inflation. No exceptions, all tax increases count (including from new construction) and no three-year delays. Local government will fight hard but 2016 is an election year for the House and Senate, so maybe legislators will want to do something positive for citizens.
If not, the tax beating will go on...and cities and counties will be singing the same old song.
La de da de de, la de da de dahttp://www.kansaspolicy.org/KPIBlog/127240.aspx
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for 1997-2014 at:
https://app.box.com/s/tefxpld64ko8zwcrg94h8kptpwtjh36a
Good info.
Obviously, Democrats and Republicans like to spend, spend, spend.
Besides more of the same, what will they think of next to grow their community by and thru their government?
What has happened to Elk Konnected ?
There doesn't seem to be any new posts on their Facebook by any of their followers since June 30, 2014 !
Check it out at: https://www.facebook.com/elk.konnected .
What is happening with
Elk Konnecteds web pages at
Public Squares Communities ? Nothing changes ! They still have the same Steering Committee Jennifer Montgomery,Liz Hendricks. Tommie Barnaby, David Whetstone. Didn't Jennifer Montgomery leave Elk County? Check it out at:
http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/ .
And
Elk Konnecteds only Success Story that took place several years ago which I consider a failure is still the only Success Story. Check it out at: http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-success-stories/ .
Why isn't
Elk Konnected providing bouncy houses for county fairs any longer ?
Doesn't
Elk Konnected still care about the various community activities any more?
Where are all the
Elk Konnected lollipops these days?
And
Elk Konnected still carries the story that disses one of our communities as their About Us story. Check it out at: http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-about/ .
Also I need to ask what happened to
Followers in California and Delaware and Oklahoma ? Why aren't they still singing
Elk Konnected praises?
Why hasn't
Elk Konnected had their membership with
Public Squares Communities re-accredited?
Has Elk Konnected gone dormant, gone into hibernation
just to return at a later time?Has
Elk Konnected simply become a big embarrassment to Elk County?
Does Anyone have any answers?
The main thing bad that has happened to Elk County and the Forum is YOU. You try to destroy everything you don't agree with. Sadly because of you no one will post on the Forum anymore.
I'll post.
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 19, 2015, 05:13:16 AM
The main thing bad that has happened to Elk County and the Forum is YOU. You try to destroy everything you don't agree with. Sadly because of you no one will post on the Forum anymore.
A complimentary visit from what I figure must be one of them confused people know as a transgender!
How dare I suggest such a thing?
Because, I have asked he/she/it what Joe Sue 23 meant and no answer if it is a he or she or what?
Poor thing can't comprehend that the Forum consist of many, many subjects and many, many threads, and apparently lacks the intelligence to post anything but hate.
That hate appears to me to be from one of them Obama Democrats Liberals trying to Defend Something,
but lacks the ability and intelligence to articulate what or who that might be.
JoeSue23 whatever a JoeSue23 is must have came to the form to express it's pent up rage. Thank God it does it here and not on the highway.
JoeSue23 has signed on to the forum 12 months ago and has exactly 30 post of which 20 are on this thread
and 10 on other political threads. None of which express any sort of a positive attitude. Such a waste. I bet he/she/it doesn't even read any of the other threads. Thank you JoeSue23 of Caney, Montgomery County, KS. Does Elk County really need Montgomery County's put downs?
Politics / Re: "Kansas Lawmakers Consider Raising Taxes To Lower Deficit"
I assume JoeSue23 must have been educated by one of those Lliberal College Professors or not educated at all.
Here are the other 10 threads and he/she/it's nasty & negative and hateful attacks.
« on: May 15, 2015, 09:22:14 am »
Red cliff you put out the same lies and crap everyday. Your time is coming when we won't have to put up with your trash and lies.
Politics / Re: Patriotic Blasphemy Is Increasing in Duration . . .
« on: May 10, 2015, 02:49:23 pm »
Redcliff my husband, his Father, my Brother and my Father all served and fought under and for that Flag. They are getting tired of you and your UnpAtriotic comments. Why don't you move to some Foreign country that hates America like you do. My Husband wants to come to Wichita and have a talk with you.
Politics / Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control
« on: December 22, 2014, 01:51:24 pm »
Ross you are an absolute idiot, no one on the forum has done even close to the Putdowns that you have. From the first time you got on the Forum until now you have lied, made up crap about everyone from the schoolboard, county commissioners, to anyone that opposed your trash. You are without a doubt the worst thing that has happened to Elk County. I own property and pay taxes in Elk County, have thought about moving there but you make me hesitant to do so. I am not defending Diane I just tired of your trash and lies.
Politics / Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control
« on: December 22, 2014, 01:55:05 pm »
Ross, you have driven everyone else from the Forum,, look at how few are posting.
Politics / Re: Did the Republicans Tell the Truth? . . .
« on: December 16, 2014, 11:07:23 am »
You are more full of crap than Obuma,
Politics / Re: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
« on: November 18, 2014, 04:08:33 pm »
Ross how many School boards have you been elected to. How many County Commisioner positions have you served on. I am betting none, you are totally full of hot air. Everyone in ELK county that I have talked to told me you were totally full of CRAP.
Politics / Re: Re-elect who? I'm in!
« on: October 18, 2014, 07:38:39 am »
Why would any of you listen to the naysayers about Shari Kaminski. Look at who the people are, all negative types against women. Shari is sharp, educated and her husbands family are prominent, sucessful landowners and ranchers, she will do a great job, give her the chance. Consider the people against her.
Ross is always negative about everything's look at the lies he told about the West Elk school board and about Howard and the location of the school, the facts on that are the school was between the 3 schools that it was replacing, the water supply, sewer, Dr and all necessities were right there.
I have family and friends in Elk County and they will be working hard to help Shari. Doug was defeated before and he should be again.
Politics / Re: District 1, County Commission
« on: October 11, 2014, 07:29:07 pm »
Several of you have expressed your concern over t he negative comments Ross is making about Shari. Think about this Ross mDe all kinds of lies and negative comments about Liz Hendrix, even in the light of all the good Liz did. Her success in getting the Windfarm finalized made elk county a lot of revenue. I think Ross is just against women being sucessful at anything. Shari is very sharp and will do a great job, show Ross that he is full of hot air and vote for Shari, you won't regret it.
Politics / Re: District 1, County Commission
« on: October 06, 2014, 09:49:50 am »
I don't honk very many people are going to any attention to what you, Ross or hillbilly say . What have any of you 3 do e to help or benefit Elk County. If you have heard of the 3 Stooges, well you are the 3 idiot
Politics / Re: Bellamy's Pledge of Allegiance . . . . .
« on: June 24, 2014, 09:40:44 am »
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
You can check it out at:http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=3124;area=showposts;start=0
This sure paints a terrible picture of Joesue doesn't it?
But I still appreciate he/she/it's posts. Thanks for the entertainment Joesue, I know, I can count on you for great entertainment !
I wish everyone and especially Joesue a great
WEEKEND.
I broke my own rule after a heads up from a reader who doesn't post any more.What business is it of yours as to what user name people choose? How dare you set yourself up to belittle anyone over their user name! That is just plain cheap and common.
Go ahead, ask Bullwinkle what the heck HE was thinking. I was in college when Rocky and Bull"winkle" first came on TV.The males rolled on the floor with tears laughing over the name. In those days a "winkle" was a male sexual part. So Bullwinkle was a, well you get the idea. He was as dumb as a .....The fraternities even had various winkle contests and they had nothing to do with a TV show. Not exactly mature, but private in the frat houses, so it wasn't public.
This forum is dead and is smelling worse every day.It's still a good place for local announcements and obits, and some of WARPH's posts, but little else. Your posts that are of a science nature are very interesting, but they are too few to forgive the the belittling and insults. By the way, whoever said anyone is obligated to answer your questions? You are not the modertor of this forum. I'm not sure anyone cares any longer
I do hope you few, and you know who you are, are very proud . I know what probably will come next, but I won't be reading it, so don't bother. Unless a reader tells me I should check it out, I DO NOT read your posts.
This is so much fun Diane, thanks for not deserting me. I knew you couldn't !
quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg225516#msg225516 date=1434721330]
I broke my own rule after a heads up from a reader who doesn't post any more. [/quote]
What rule ? You got no rule or you would not be breaking it. LOL
Are you trying to say Elk Konnected commissioned you as a Follower to spout off? OR, aren't you just reading all my post like I suspect? Rules? What rules?
quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg225516#msg225516 date=1434721330
What business is it of yours as to what user name people choose? How dare you set yourself up to belittle anyone over their user name! That is just plain cheap and common. [/quote]
What business is it of yours, what business it is of mine? LOL
But to answer you, I just wanted to know if I was communicating with a he, she or a transgender he/she?
I didn't set myself up to ridicule anyone I asked simple questions.
I agree with you Diane you are right, your post is, " is just plain cheap and common."
It sure isn't uncommon of you. LOL
quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg225516#msg225516 date=1434721330
Go ahead, ask Bullwinkle what the heck HE was thinking. I was in college when Rocky and Bull"winkle" first came on TV.The males rolled on the floor with tears laughing over the name. In those days a "winkle" was a male sexual part. So Bullwinkle was a, well you get the idea. He was as dumb as a .....The fraternities even had various winkle contests and they had nothing to do with a TV show. Not exactly mature, but private in the frat houses, so it wasn't public. [/quote]
I know what Bullwinkle is and I know Bullwinkle is not attacking me. Now is he?
It appears to me that Joesue 23 only came on the forum 12 months ago only to attack people and posts on politics and that's it. This transgender person or whatever they are has posted thirty times only in the political threads in an ugly attacking way and never has posted anything of a positive or polite fashion.
So give some thought to that Diane.
And then you come on and defend such an attitude. I question your honest and integrity for defending such a attitude, but you do the same exact things don't You?. You make accusations with nothing to back them up. But you are entitled to your opinion. just the same as me.
Liberals are something else !
quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg225516#msg225516 date=1434721330
This forum is dead and is smelling worse every day.It's still a good place for local announcements and obits, and some of WARPH's posts, but little else. [/quote]
That is simply your opinion, which I repeat, you are entitled to even if it unsupported.
Liberal thinking in my opinion, instead of checking the published activity on this great forum and aACTUALLY knowing the truth to tell.
quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg225516#msg225516 date=1434721330
Your posts that are of a science nature are very interesting, but they are too few to forgive the the belittling and insults I do hope you few, and you know who you are, are very proud . I know what probably will come next, but I won't be reading it, so don't bother.
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A backhanded compliment, why thank you Diane. I take it back. LOL (not really)
Why do I call it backhanded? Simply because you take it back with an insult.
An insult with nothing to back up the insult!
You keep saying, you won't read it, but you keep reading or you would not have been able to write this post. LOL
So why don't you quit the lying. Oop's sorry about that! A slip of the tongue, don't ya know? LOL
Thanks Diane for your intellectualy inspired, college educated degree for this learned post, just for us to digest.
I hope you have a great weekend.
Ross you are one rude , idiot. Look back at a time before you were on the Forum and see how many were posting, when you do you will see it is obvious that you ran everyone off . Your are one rude idiot.
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 19, 2015, 09:34:22 AM
Ross you are one rude , idiot. Look back at a time before you were on the Forum and see how many were posting, when you do you will see it is obvious that you ran everyone off . Your are one rude idiot.
Still name calling aren't you?
And making statements with no way to back them up.
Like a Liberal with no substance.
That is what our countries major problem is, Liberals.
Are you one of them that's got one of them collee papers like Diane?
Oh well, just the same he, she or it, try to have a pleasant weekend. LOL
TTFN
Does anyone know was this woman
considered one of the elite
in Neodesha ? ?
Montgomery County ChronicleBREAKING NEWS FROM MONTGOMERY COUNTY . . .
A former employee of the Montgomery County Conservation District has been charged with two counts of fraud in U.S. federal court in Wichita.
Danielle R. Passauer, former conservation district manager, has been charged with one count of bank fraud and one count of wire fraud stemming from her alleged role in using conservation district money for her personal use between Jan. 1, 2011 and July 1, 2013.
Court information alleges that Passauer, age 29, obtained $27,678.97 in conservation district money by issuing pay checks to herself in excess of her salary. Furthermore, it is alleged Passauer authorized $23,694 in electronic transfer to VISA to pay for her personal, unauthorized expenditures.
If convicted, Passauer, who is a Neodesha resident, faces a maximum penalty of 30 years in federal prison and a fine up to $1 million on each count.
In an arraignment hearing on Monday, Passauer appeared in person with her attorney, J. Matthew Leavitt of Wichita. She pleaded not guilty and was released on her own recognizance.
She is scheduled to return to federal court in Wichita on Aug. 3 for a change of plea hearing.
The FBI investigated the theft and fraud of conservation district money. Assistant U.S. Attorney Mona Furst is the prosecutor in this case.
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PRESS RELEASE
June 26, 2015
For Immediate Release
Contact: James Franko
316.634.0218
Lower court ignores State Supreme Court guidance on determining adequacy, issues political statement
June 26, 2015 - Wichita - The Shawnee County District Court ruling on school funding comes as no surprise, as this is not the first time that the three-judge panel ignored the State Supreme Court's guidance and issued what is little more than a political opinion.
KPI president Dave Trabert said, "Their ruling on adequacy of school funding ignores a long list of facts that disprove districts' contentions.
School districts acknowledge that they choose to operate inefficiently and used over $400 of million dollars of prior years' aid to increase their cash reserves."
Trabert concluded, "The three-judge panel also ignored the State Supreme Court's order that adequacy is to be determined on whether outcomes - as defined by the Rose capacities - are being met.
School districts openly admit that they do not know how to define or measure the Rose capacities, and if they cannot do so, they have no legal basis for claiming they lack adequate funding to meet those capacities."
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I'll be telling you about an inefficency at West Elk USD 282 very soon.
Inefficiency
I had heard the rumors, but I didn't post them, I waited to talk to the horse's mouth. (So to speak.)
Harrods was hired to crown the football field and done so with out a contract !
$7,000 what a good deal for West Elk USD 282, well it was a good deal and the School Board blew it.
Harrods hauled in tons of dirt that was full of rocks and large roots and clay.
One board member stated at the board meeting, they would have to check their contract to figure out what recourse they had.
WHAT CONTRACT ? ? There was no contract. The school board apparently didn't figure it worth while to have a conversation with Harrod's and find out what he was doing, they just simply told him to remove the dirt and miscellaneous bad stuff in the dirt. Well, that is exactly what happened, the dirt was removed and another company contracted to crown the football field.
I don't recall the exact amount paid, but I believe it was about $27,000. Or over 3 times what Harrod was charging. Is that the proper way to do business on behalf of the taxpayers? ?
But I guess all them goodies on their Board Meeting picnic table are more important !
Had they used some of that critical thinking they want to teach school kids they would have discovered that Harrod
had a man lined up to process all that dirt.
By processing the dirt he meant to clean it up to be used as a base for a layer of topsoil.
The USD 282nSchool Board blew an excellent deal for lack of critical thinking and the lack of communication amongst themselves. Only looking for recourse instead of asking.
Nope USD falls right in with the above post that they don't operate efficiently, they ha no incentive to operate efficiently
Because you the taxpayers do not show them you care ?
You might ask how can I show them that I care about them throwing away my tax dollars wastefully ?
Show up at the board meetings ! If enough people show up they might pay attention. I say might, because I don't think they care what you think.
It's your property tax
It's your money
And you can stop the waste !
The property tax break that the county has provided for us was sucked up by West Elk USD 282.
If you live in the West Elk USD 282 School District you are being
screwed by the school Board, financially.
Because of wasteful spendingIf the county stops the property tax break, do you think for one minute that the West Elk USD 282 School District will drop the
excess taxation. Think again, the are hell bent on spend, spend, spend.The next expense will be an electronic billboard to replace the old one they took out rather than have maintenance repair it.
Please, Give that a thought. Here is a reminder for you of all the information, I have posted for you on Box.com:County property tax 1997-2014
https://app.box.com/s/tefxpld64ko8zwcrg94h8kptpwtjh36a
USD 282 Roof Repair
https://app.box.com/s/yh8x1rzcmyhwfj6baivuh3lxwp0ah8ye
Elk County Levy Sheets
https://app.box.com/s/wlxjwq9w7hh0of1z4zwl6a21bu18tjhs
Voice Commissioners 11 2 15
https://app.box.com/s/0lw94u09oz6dlwjbvolyckbulxgobcpg
USD-282 BOARD-POLICY-HANDBOOK-2014
https://app.box.com/s/5yo4tw5lnq2wsjkgxfhc
West Elk USD-282 Audit for 2013-2014
https://app.box.com/s/nv226xjjex8i09jjh31h
West Elk USD-282 PiperJaffray
https://app.box.com/s/odurbgy93a4b1ijmmpwm
Elementary School Survey Information
https://app.box.com/s/h260n5ybv7ttr2tl62jx
Piper Jaffery Financial Handout to the West Elk School Board
https://app.box.com/s/27jkb8ilpa55v0dhb3fw
West Elk USD 282 Public Records Information
https://app.box.com/s/7nbnimqqr6b2tkzudw6f
Elk County - County Commissioners Meeting
https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51
West Elk 2013-2014
https://app.box.com/s/2ta0qvzhyr5ccjbsjd8g
West Elk School Board Meeting Minutes
https://app.box.com/s/wrijzyhypzpyax277lws
West Elk Site Council Minutes
https://app.box.com/s/ygfe3vb5zn3axjoqako0
USD 282 District Voters Map
https://app.box.com/s/9cekwbl6em74rrlvx4dspfjwxcbv5mq0
West Elk USD-282 Board Positions by Date of Election 3-24-14
https://app.box.com/s/6h3vni6q1k0oeukhxo9j
(This is where your start to stop the waste}282-DISTRICT_PROFILE
https://app.box.com/s/dfa6e0brszd2ru3yqe3j
I hope everyone has a great 4th of July.
anonymous
@AnonQCThe two biggest bullshit buzzwords
on the Internet these days: 'Community' and 'Anonymous'.
https://twitter.com/AnonQC/status/617679487745007617?s=03
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Now where have i seen that word
community used ? ?
Oh that's right Public Squares Communities isn't it ?
And Elk Konnected pushing Community, Right ?
I wonder if ANON had heard of them ?
You know children are also used to gain attention as well.
Terrible don't ya reckon ?
I just read something I found very interesting and well written.
And it reminded me of a circus of circles of chairs.
It also describes what creates sheeple and explains sheeple to a "T".
It is about manipulation.
This is not meant to be snide or derogatory but to be informative and educational.
But it is entirely up to you what you make of it.
The article:
How have we fallen so far?
Posted on July 6, 2015 by Bob Livingston
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Is it philosophically wise to dwell upon the morality of government? Are we frivolous and diverted from more serious concerns? Should we be reading poetry, watching TV, playing golf or listening to Mozart?
A discussion of the morality of government is more than an intellectual exercise. It has to do with understanding force and raw political power hidden behind the cleverest of disguises. Our perception of government morality directly relates to our quality of life and whether or not we pass human liberty to our heirs. There can be no perception of reality without inquiry into the nature of political authority. We must understand we are born into a system of thought that is rarely challenged.
More and more, we are beginning to feel the presence of authoritarianism. We are coerced into conformity and obeying the demands of "society." We quite naturally feel oppressed. We know that there is deceptive manipulation of the public will. We know that subtle political forces are extracting our wealth and crushing our liberties under altruistic pretenses.
Political power in the United States is reckless. The political system is nothing less than mob rule. Private property is pillaged and destroyed, and the people are manipulated to support it. There is no "consent of the governed."
Politics in America is not a party system. It is instead a repetitive and insulting process of pacifying the national will with the illusion of freedom and political choices.
Once we unmask the morality of criminal politics, we see a sophisticated process of using words and phrases to force upon us a social and moral ethic of conformity. In fact, our standard of mental health is nothing more than our complete submission to conformity. If we translate further, conformity means yielding to the morality of government authority without question. The "national interest" is a monopoly of demagogues and powercrats.
The answer for us is to inquire into government morality. Therein is revealed an unbelievable power system organized at every level to coerce us into self-sacrifice. We are pressed throughout our lives to believe that the shining path to utopia on Earth is built upon the fictions of egalitarianism and universalism. We should have faith in external authority with no thoughts of our own consciousness and personal well-being. A belief system of mysticism replaces rational thought.
But first, a little side trip is necessary to explain what I mean by universalism. Universalism is the belief that all men are or will be saved or redeemed, regardless of creed. It is the perfect religious system for deceiving people into political slavery because of its mass appeal to equality. In this way, universalism becomes a politico-religious organism. It is a comprehensive system for deceiving great masses of people. In the vision of utopian universalism, there are no races, colors, creeds nor standards of excellence.
Universalism organizes around and goes forward under similar ideologies ranging from humanitarianism to egalitarianism. These politico-religious ideologies are akin in their humanist depiction of men as victims of history, victims of other men and victims of God and in the belief in human progress or works as necessary to salvation. Universalism incorporates Islam, Judaism and all brotherhood religions in the religious sphere.
Universalism is socialism, communism and democracy in the political sphere. Only Christianity differs from these world religions, and only Christian families and communities founded on the truth can resist the deception and tyranny of universalism.
Universalism trumpets perfect freedom while resulting in total slavery. In the United States, universalism has led to superstitious and even barbaric beliefs and practices.
Homosexuality, bisexuality and polyamory are the new normal and are now codified into law by the lawless Supreme Court. These perversions are typically practiced around the world in cultures in which normal, healthful God-sanctioned relations between men and women are obliterated by pagan religions (e.g., Islam, Satanism, secular humanism). They are anathema to the Christian family as established by God: one man and one woman married for life, with children.
There is also a kind of fatalistic futurism among people which leads them to reject history, tradition, lineage and authority. Their behavior is fueled by the notion that this world either will not last much longer and/or that life in the world of their parents is forever lost or just not worth it. The state propaganda machine encourages this by flushing real history and heritage down the memory hole and replacing it with state-worshiping pseudo history.
The practical results of such beliefs are anarchy, barbarism and that which is promoted by the Council on Foreign Relations as "Third Worldism." Third Worldism is the guiding principle of the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund, the United Nations, etc., presuming that if underdeveloped nations are provided with the wealth of the industrialized nations, all will prosper ... all will be equal. One of the objectives of global democracy is to redistribute the wealth of the world in just this fashion, making all people everywhere absolutely equal. They want to distribute your wealth, not the wealth of the ruling oligarchs.
The key question then becomes, "How do people come to accept universalism?" One of the means is by secular, civic glory. That is, public sporting and political events take on a religious fervor, much as they did in the French and Russian communist revolutions. Another is the constant onslaught of humanistic and perverse propaganda disguised as entertainment that emanates from the idiot box.
Moreover, traditional and scriptural Christianity is gradually forced out and suppressed through intimidation and oppression and substituted with the new, secular system. Christians are targeted and forced to mute any discussion of their value system in the public sphere, threatened with loss of livelihood and forced into indoctrination camps if they refuse to conform to the new conventional wisdom. Some recent examples of this are Brendan Eich, Phil Robertson, Jack Phillips, Barronelle Stutzman, Elaine Huguenin, Aaron and Melissa Klein, Robert and Cynthia Gifford, and the LeBlanc family in Minnesota.
Christians and nonChristians alike in today's world accept government morality because they have acquired the same morality for themselves. Value relativism and universalism of thought have diminished in our lives the spiritual influence of the Holy Scriptures. We no longer know right from wrong; and in fact, right or wrong can now change from day to day, depending upon new conventional wisdom or how one feels at the time.
What was a sin and perversion yesterday is now not only state-sanctioned but state-promoted. Our senses are so dulled with altruistic propaganda that we no longer have an imperative to inquire. There is no distinction in our minds that our individual and personal identity is different or should be different from the crowd.
The crowd is a product of government force. But the individual is a creation of God. God's truth remains true, regardless of what the state says or commands. The individual can resist the perversion of the truth, and the godly individual must do so.
Inquiry is more than a curious mind. It is a disturbance of thought when values and inalienable rights are challenged and violated.
Our enlightened and open-minded readers want useful, practical and survival information based on perceptive reality. They know that there is something that they don't know, and they inquire because their values and property — their liberties — are threatened. They need a steady translation of the government and media hype. They know that their security is not in government, its fictions and illusions of reality. Nothing in the world could bring us faster command of happiness and survival than to understand the morality of government and its esoteric philosophy. To see the emperor without clothes is to see things as they really are.
What could be more degrading and insulting to our being than to imagine that we are free and never inquire? Yet we have allowed government mysticism to create an illusion of freedom that we have accepted as the real thing.
The agenda of government morality is to erase man as a rational individual, transfer his psyche into the programmed crowd with prescribed thinking of the herd mentality and "correct" behavior (or correct his behavior), then program his mind so that any influence outside of government morality is hostile environment.
The common herd mentality is a product of government force, though it is contrary to man's nature, his personal desire to acquire wealth and security, and his requirements for happiness.
In February 2002 I wrote in The Bob Livingston Letter, (www.boblivinstonletter.com, subscription required), "Christians, in your smugness, arrogance, conceit and materialism, the time will come when you may be considered 'a terrorist' if you claim your faith, belong to a patriotic group or even a pro-life organization."
My friends, we are there. I take no pleasure in being correct.
http://personalliberty.com/how-have-we-fallen-so-far/
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coerce us into self-sacrifice. Might very well volunteering to accomplish whatever the organization or LLC deems necessary. The coersion, Public stating "You never volunteer for anything." Basically a lie. because they do not know every facet of your life.
The key question then becomes, "How do people come to accept universalism?" One of the means is by secular, civic glory. That is, public sporting and political events take on a religious fervor, much as they did in the French and Russian communist revolutions. Another is the constant onslaught of humanistic and perverse propaganda disguised as entertainment that emanates from the idiot box.To me this means lollipops.
Inquiry is more than a curious mind. It is a disturbance of thought when values and inalienable rights are challenged and violated. when
I concur, I didn't know what I was getting to when I started asking questions and people failed to answer them. I felt something very disturbing was going on. It took awhile to realize it was manipulation of our county citizens. This I found very disturbimg.
To see the emperor without clothes is to see things as they really are.
It sure is.
STUDY: WIND FARMS EVEN MORE
EXPENSIVE AND
POINTLESS THAN YOU THOUGHT
by JAMES DELINGPOLE7 Jul 2015
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The cost of wind energy is significantly more expensive than its advocates pretend, a new US study has found.
If you believe this chart produced by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA), then onshore wind is one of the cheapest forms of power – more competitive than nuclear, coal or hydro, and a lot more than solar.
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But when you take into account the true costs of wind, it's around 48 per cent more expensive than the industry's official estimates – according to new research conducted by Utah State University.
"In this study, we refer to the 'true cost' of wind as the price tag consumers and society as a whole pay both to purchase wind-generated electricity and to subsidize the wind energy industry through taxes and government debt," said Ryan Yonk Ph.D., one of the report's authors and a founder of Strata Policy. "After examining all of these cost factors and carefully reviewing existing cost estimates, we were able to better understand how much higher the cost is for Americans."
The peer-reviewed report accounted for the following factors:
The federal Production Tax Credit (PTC), a crucial subsidy for wind producers, has distorted the energy market by artificially lowering the cost of expensive technologies and directing taxpayer money to the wind industry.
States have enacted Renewable Portfolio Standards (RPS) that require utilities to purchase electricity produced from renewable sources, which drives up the cost of electricity for consumers.
Because wind resources are often located far from existing transmission lines, expanding the grid is expensive, and the costs are passed on to taxpayers and consumers.
Conventional generators must be kept on call as backup to meet demand when wind is unable to do so, driving up the cost of electricity for consumers.
"Innovation is a wonderful thing and renewable energy is no exception. Wind power has experienced tremendous growth since the 1990's, but it has largely been a response to generous federal subsidies," Yonk stated.
Among the factors wind advocates fail to acknowledge, the report shows, is the "opportunity cost" of the massive subsidies which taxpayers are forced to provide in order to persuade producers to indulge in this otherwise grotesquely inefficient and largely pointless form of power generation.
In the US this amounts to an annual $5 billion per year in Production Tax Credits (PTC). Here is money that could have been spent on education, healthcare, defence or, indeed, which could have been left in the pockets of taxpayers to spend as they prefer.
Instead it has been squandered on bribing rent-seeking crony-capitalists to carpet the landscape with bat-chomping, bird-slicing eco-crucifixes to produce energy so intermittent that it is often unavailable when needed most (on very hot or very cold days when demand for air-conditioning or heating is high) and only too available on other occasions when a glut means that wind producers actually have to pay utilities to accept their unwanted energy. This phenomenon, known as "negative pricing", is worthwhile to wind producers because they only get their subsidy credits when they are producing power (whether it is needed or not). But clearly not worthwhile to the people who end up footing the bill: ie taxpayers.
Hence the observation of serial wind energy "investor" Warren Buffett, who says: "We get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit."
But even this report may underestimate the real costs of wind energy. It doesn't account for the damage caused to the health of people unfortunate enough to live near wind turbines, as acknowledged officially for the first time in this report produced for the Australian government.
Nor does it account for the environmental blight caused to the landscape – far greater, as Christopher Booker has reported, than that created by the greenies' bete noire fracking.
When Professor David MacKay stepped down as chief scientific adviser to the Department of Energy and Climate Change (Decc) last year, he produced a report comparing the environmental impact of a fracking site to that of wind farms. Over 25 years, he calculated, a single "shale gas pad" covering five acres, with a drilling rig 85ft high (only needed for less than a year), would produce as much energy as 87 giant wind turbines, covering 5.6 square miles and visible up to 20 miles away. Yet, to the greenies, the first of these, capable of producing energy whenever needed, without a penny of subsidy, is anathema; while the second, producing electricity very unreliably in return for millions of pounds in subsidies, fills them with rapture.
Nor yet does it factor in the epic destruction of avian fauna caused by these supposedly eco-friendly devices. According to Oxford University ecologist Clive Hambler:
Every year in Spain alone — according to research by the conservation group SEO/Birdlife — between 6 and 18 million birds and bats are killed by wind farms. They kill roughly twice as many bats as birds. This breaks down as approximately 110–330 birds per turbine per year and 200–670 bats per year. And these figures may be conservative if you compare them to statistics published in December 2002 by the California Energy Commission: 'In a summary of avian impacts at wind turbines by Benner et al (1993) bird deaths per turbine per year were as high as 309 in Germany and 895 in Sweden.'
Because wind farms tend to be built on uplands, where there are good thermals, they kill a disproportionate number of raptors. In Australia, the Tasmanian wedge-tailed eagle is threatened with global extinction by wind farms. In north America, wind farms are killing tens of thousands of raptors including golden eagles and America's national bird, the bald eagle. In Spain, the Egyptian vulture is threatened, as too is the Griffon vulture — 400 of which were killed in one year at Navarra alone. Norwegian wind farms kill over ten white-tailed eagles per year and the population of Smøla has been severely impacted by turbines built against the opposition of ornithologists.
Nor are many other avian species safe. In North America, for example, proposed wind farms on the Great Lakes would kill large numbers of migratory songbirds. In the Atlantic, seabirds such as the Manx Shearwater are threatened. Offshore wind farms are just as bad as onshore ones, posing a growing threat to seabirds and migratory birds, and reducing habitat availability for marine birds (such as common scoter and eider ducks).
In Britain, Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne has belatedly acknowledged the problem – which his Prime Minister's "greenest government ever" helped create – by promising to rein in green energy subsidies.
The cost of subsidising new wind farms is spiralling out of control, government sources have privately warned.
Officials admitted that so-called "green" energy schemes will require a staggering £9 billion a year in subsidies – paid for by customers – by 2020. This is £1.5 billion more than the maximum limit the coalition had originally planned.
The mounting costs will mean every household in the country is forced to pay an estimated £170 a year by the end of the decade to support the renewable electricity schemes that were promoted by the coalition.
But given the damage that has already done to the British landscape by wind turbines it may well be a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Especially when you consider that this man has already made £100 million out of the scam and that there are no mechanisms to get any of that wasted money back.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/07/07/study-wind-farms-even-more-expensive-and-pointless-than-you-thought/
Yer paying for all that Wind Farm nonsense.
Call it Fascism.
Republicans and reconstructed Democrats stealing liberty from America.
Again with the labels. What would you prefer? Go back to candles? If they were so great why did they fall out of favor? If air conditioning was such a waste, why did most everyone embrace it once it became available and more reasonable in price?
I guess we could still wash our clothes by pounding them on a rock, but for most people, why? Shall we take the country folks electricity away again after so much was done ,and paid for by other people's taxes, to bring it to unprofitable areas?
Do people really like hauling water? Would they still do it if they didn't have to?
The Amish still have that simple way of life and even they embrace a more modern, safer lifestyle now.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 09, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
Again with the labels.
Diane is a label, so just name me one thing that does not have a label?
Even you have a label and possibly many more labels that I am not aware of.
I know of two other labels and that would be Amberg and Mrs.
So what is your point about labels?
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What would you prefer? Go back to candles? If they were so great why did they fall out of favor? If air conditioning was such a waste, why did most everyone embrace it once it became available and more reasonable in price?
I guess we could still wash our clothes by pounding them on a rock, but for most people, why? Shall we take the country folks electricity away again after so much was done ,and paid for by other people's taxes, to bring it to unprofitable areas?
Do people really like hauling water? Would they still do it if they didn't have to?
The Amish still have that simple way of life and even they embrace a more modern, safer lifestyle now.
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We would prefer not to be ripped of by an industry that cost us more money than what it is worth, an industry that is built on the backs of taxpayers and utility users that gain nothing from it.
Simply read the article for further comprehension, read it twice word for word.
This is not about coal or nuclear or natural gas being used to generate power.
This is not about going backwards, this is about doing financial damage by wind farms.
The article is also about physical damage by wind farms to the bird population.
It is illegal for anyone else to kill an American Bald Eagle but okay for wind farms.
The article also discusses harm to people that live near the wind farms.
I hope you can reread and comprehend what the article says.
I hope you are having a good day Diane, I sure am.
A lot of people are suckers for lollipops ! ! !
Ross, I have to use a phrase an old man used on me. " I hate to be the one to tell you", but this article has so many fallacies about wind farms , I have to tell you to do more research as to factual evidence and not pick an obvious article that is only meant to convince people it is not worth doing. Solar power is given much more in the way of subsidies. The coal industry receives even more.
I have seen only two turkey buzzards killed in the time this farm has been operating. The claim it causes people to have health issues from being close is also not backed by factual evidence. The power companies are building , or rebuilding transmission lines because they need them to insure uninterrupted power and route power around damaged lines. A lot of the grid is ancient, built many moons ago.
True, sometimes when the power is needed most, it isn't there. The wind doesn't always blow. Solar needs the grid to even function, however.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 11, 2015, 04:03:49 PM
Ross, I have to use a phrase an old man used on me. " I hate to be the one to tell you", but this article has so many fallacies about wind farms , I have to tell you to do more research as to factual evidence and not pick an obvious article that is only meant to convince people it is not worth doing. Solar power is given much more in the way of subsidies. The coal industry receives even more.
I have seen only two turkey buzzards killed in the time this farm has been operating. The claim it causes people to have health issues from being close is also not backed by factual evidence. The power companies are building , or rebuilding transmission lines because they need them to insure uninterrupted power and route power around damaged lines. A lot of the grid is ancient, built many moons ago.
True, sometimes when the power is needed most, it isn't there. The wind doesn't always blow. Solar needs the grid to even function, however.
I'm not sure if this article has any fallacies. I do know that the U S Constitution does not provide for taking from some and giving to others. Certainly the Wind Power industry is favored by the government over its own people and other electrical producers.
Just because the government gives favors to industries and is in cahoots with them, that doesn't make it OK. Fascism.
That's tyranny, not patriotism.
Tyrants support Wind Power.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That sounds like the lady recently at a fire works display who climbed on the top of the stand- by fire engine and wouldn't come down because there wasn't anything that said she couldn't be up there. Sometimes things just are.
Hey, lets say that all people who wear clothes with zippers are fascists because the founding fathers didn't have them. How's that for silly? :angel:
Silly? I'm not silly but you calling me silly. That's how you government people are.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 12, 2015, 08:07:39 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That sounds like the lady recently at a fire works display who climbed on the top of the stand- by fire engine and wouldn't come down because there wasn't anything that said she couldn't be up there. Sometimes things just are.
Hey, lets say that all people who wear clothes with zippers are fascists because the founding fathers didn't have them. How's that for silly? :angel:
Welcome back Diane.
Didn't you say, you were done with this thread.
Nothing silly about your comment it just
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Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 09, 2015, 09:06:54 AM
Again with the labels. What would you prefer? Go back to candles? If they were so great why did they fall out of favor? If air conditioning was such a waste, why did most everyone embrace it once it became available and more reasonable in price?
I guess we could still wash our clothes by pounding them on a rock, but for most people, why? Shall we take the country folks electricity away again after so much was done ,and paid for by other people's taxes, to bring it to unprofitable areas?
Do people really like hauling water? Would they still do it if they didn't have to?
The Amish still have that simple way of life and even they embrace a more modern, safer lifestyle now.
he's calling a spade a spade. I agree with him that its fascism. yes same sh** hitler did.
He didn't nor did anyone else say AC, lights, and washing machines were a waste. They after all weren't built and produced by tax dollars. They were in fact, invented, designed, produced entirely by captial investment. WHy? because the product would sell and produce a profit on its own without stealing the taxdollar from the citizen of the US like they do with windfarms solar farms and ethanol as well as farming. Take that subsidy away and let em stand on their own or fail on their own.
IF its a genuine need and wanted product then by God the public will buy it. IF NOT, then it will fail.
As for the water, we are getting hosed by the folks that run the water company. I prefer drilling a well and have my own damn water. BUt round here you can't do that. More government regulation.
Time to get the government out of our lives and back to doing what it was created for in the first place
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 19, 2015, 09:34:22 AM
Ross you are one rude , idiot. Look back at a time before you were on the Forum and see how many were posting, when you do you will see it is obvious that you ran everyone off . Your are one rude idiot.
Honestly if you can't take the heat why are you in here. quit yer bitchin
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 19, 2015, 05:13:16 AM
The main thing bad that has happened to Elk County and the Forum is YOU. You try to destroy everything you don't agree with. Sadly because of you no one will post on the Forum anymore.
Destruction of communism is always a good thing. quit yer bitchin. BTW ROSS Is the polite one, I don't do Politically Correct
Hey Srkruzich where have you been hiding?
I hope all is well with you. Glad to have you back.
I miss hearing from Warph top. I sure hope he is okay.
Stay cool.
Good to see srkruzich make some great American comments. It's gonna be hard to top what you're saying.
Most Republicans and reconstructed Democrats won't agee but that's just the way they are.
They're thinking their socialists' (Communist and/or Nazi) ways are best and modern. They promote their ways by and thru Democracy - that's why they like Democracy so much instead of the Constitution.
Stay right in there.
If not by taxes, how would you folks keep up your roads, your waterways, your bridges, electrical repairs, water service, sewer, ditches, etc. If it is used by the public, or is always available for that use, why shouldn't everyone pay?( Free saplings, free fingerlings, trout stocking, all by taxes in one way or another.)
Yes, in states that have sales taxes, purchasers do pay taxes for those washing machines ,etc. at point of sale.
I was talking about the use, not necessarily the invention of those things that have become "necessary" over time. TVA? Who paid for that? Who pays for the military that is now too expensive for anyone to afford?
Yes, to compete, GE and others do develop "improvements" on that washer. But then they become more expensive and the purchaser pays more taxes to own the newest version.
Some ''inventors",including big industry, did and still do get Gov't grants for research and development of things needed, for war or otherwise. Many Universities have discovered and/or developed all manner of things..... that is all tax money too.
In my own husband's family they historically banded together to help other members start businesses ,put relatives through college, bring them over from the "old country,"etc. No one of them could afford it, but together,by pooling their money, they did well. I get it.
But most people don't want to live just to avoid paying taxes.
By the way,I'm not and have never been in favor of subsides. That is pure politics and goes right back to local Gov't and congress people wanting to keep their constituents happy, so they will be reelected. But I don't need to shout "Commies" just because I don't agree with it. It doesn't change a thing and annoys the foxes.
Some things are and should be direct pay for direct service, like beach tags are here.Helps pay the life guards and for beach cleaning.But then after a storm our taxes pay for beach replenishing and the big repairs. Then just the people who go there benefit.
Steve, do you have honey now? Has that business thrived? I hope so.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
Some ''inventors",including big industry, did and still do get Gov't grants for research and development of things needed, for war or otherwise. Many Universities have discovered and/or developed all manner of things..... that is all tax money too.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
that is all tax money too.
That is the whole point, Diane !Grants are sums that usually do not have to be repaid but are to be used for defined purposes. Subsidies, on the other hand, refer to direct contributions, tax breaks and other special assistance that governments provide businesses to offset operating costs over a lengthy time period.
There really isn't any difference between how taxpayer money is used for grants and subsidies. It is still taxpayer money even if you tell them they don't have to pay property taxes. Why? Because, if they don't have to pay their fair share, others have to pay it for them by increased taxation on them.
Both are both equally political and they use politics and they use lobbyist when needed to get the peoples money.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
By the way,I'm not and have never been in favor of subsides. That is pure politics and goes right back to local Gov't and congress people wanting to keep their constituents happy, so they will be reelected.
See above note.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2015, 08:25:45 AM
But I don't need to shout "Commies" just because I don't agree with it. It doesn't change a thing and annoys the foxes..
That to me is the Democrat Liberal way of thinking.Right is Wrong
and
Wrong is Right
Perhaps this is the reason our country is being flushed and we might end up Obama's ----
Calliphate of the United States ?
Because people won't stand up and shout something, anything because it may not be politically correct.
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I do not like Trump but the man is mostly honest about illegal immigrants.
Just short of honesty about McCain.
McCain is no hero in spite of being captured.
It was his actions upon being captured and through his five years of supposed captivity that he most likely deserves the title of traitor in my opinion!
This is also the opinion of the majority of Vietnam Veterans.
However, with a Father being an
Admiral and his Grand Father being an
Admiral had an awful lot to do with his out come.
WHY DO PEOPLE HIDE?
OR
WHY DO COMPANIES HIDE?
That should not be hard to figure out, should it?
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The American Wind Energy Association, the wind energy industry's main lobbying group, touts wind power as helping the U.S. economy, but a news report claims the group's advocacy is being driven by a group of foreign executives.
To make matters more interesting, AWEA removed its list of companies on its Leadership Council from its website — the Leadership Council was still missing from AWEA's website when this reporter went to check on its status. AWEA refused to comment on the removal when approached by The Washington Free Beacon. Likewise, the wind lobbying group declined to comment on the removal when asked by The Daily Caller News Foundation.
"All of the companies represented on AWEA's Board are American companies or have U.S. subsidiaries," David Ward, AWEA's lead spokesman, told TheDCNF. "Like any global industry, some of those companies have parent companies that are active in other countries.
"That distinction is irrelevant as all companies on AWEA's Board have major offices in America, employ large numbers of Americans, and are making large investments in America," Ward said.
The Washington Free Beacon reported Thursday the influence of AWEA's foreign membership clashed with their "made-in-the-USA rhetoric." The Free Beacon reported there were seven foreign firms listed on AWEA's Leadership Council as of late 2013 — all of which get federal subsidies for wind power.
One of the companies listed in 2013 as part of AWEA's leadership council was Iberdola, a Spanish company that's been awarded billions in government subsidies over the years. The other companies are "Nordex and E.ON Climate & Renewables, both German companies; French EDF Renewable Energy; Portuguese EDP Renewables; a subsidiary of the British RES Group; and Danish firm Vestas," according to The Free Beacon.
Iberdola has gotten $2.2 billion in green energy subsidies — making it the largest recipient of federal corporate welfare, according to a report by the left-wing group Good Jobs First. The Obama administration's 2009 stimulus bill gave billions of dollars in subsidies to wind and solar companies.
The Good Jobs First report also notes that the German-based E.ON Climate & Renewables got $576 million in subsidies , the French company EDF Renewable Energy got $325 million and the Portuguese EDP Renewables received $722 million.
"[A] large portion of the funds received by the foreign energy firms came from Recovery Act programs such as Section 1603," the report notes. "Japan's Toshiba, on the other hand, received most of its funding through Energy Department research grants, including numerous awards to its Westinghouse Electric subsidiary for work on nuclear energy. Energy Department grants also make up nearly all of the $237 million in funds received by Germany's Siemens."
AWEA brushed off criticism of its foreign membership, saying the wind industry provides tens of thousands of jobs for Americans. Though the group still did not address its removal of the membership list from its website.
"73,000 Americans work in the wind industry, building wind projects that benefit American consumers," Ward told TheDCNF. "That includes nearly 20,000 manufacturing jobs at over 500 facilities across 43 states. The domestic content of wind farms has risen, with more than 60 percent of the value of U.S. wind farms made in America."
"The large number of jobs associated with installing, maintaining, and operating wind plants cannot be outsourced, and it is often cost-prohibitive to import large turbine components like blades and towers," he said. "Wind turbine and component manufacturing is a significant contributor to U.S. heavy manufacturing."
Update: AWEA told TheDCNF they got rid of their Leadership Council, but still keeps a n online list of their members. The group did not explain why they got rid or their Leadership Council or what influence they held over the group. The article has been updated to reflect this new information.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/17/wind-lobby-scrambles-to-hide-alleged-influence-of-foreign-companies/#ixzz3gLwevhfB
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They don't discuss the Billions of Dollars perhaps Trillions in profit funneled out out of the US of A, do they?
They don't mention the jobs provided are paid for with taxpayer dollars either, do they?
They don't discuss the fact that conventional electric companies have to have a standby generator manned and ready for when the wind stops blowing, do they?
They don't mention the extra cost to consumers for standby generators and crew do they?
Attention:
West Elk School USD-282
Voters and Property Owners
Friends and Neighbors
Taxation, Taxation, Taxation
A West Elk School USD-282 Hobby
Every year and durn near every West Elk School USD-282 School Board Meeting the subject of
taxing us comes up.
We who live in the
West Elk School District were given a property
tax break from our Elk County Government thanks to the wind farm money. Did you see any
reduction on your property tax?
OF COURSE NOT! West Elk School USD-282 sucked it right up !Thinking you would not notice !While the rest of the county enjoys their
tax reduction you are paying more than you did the year before.
I informed everyone that was the goal of the elected
elite to
tax, tax, tax. Why are they doing it ?
In the words of an angry School Board President,
"I guess my kids will have to grow up without having the opportunity and pleasure of playing in a brand new gymnasium." And he also made it very clear in an angry voice
he didn't care how pissed off the taxpayers gets. This is the attitude we have to deal with. Clearly
they don't care how much they tax you as long as they can provide extra goodies for their children. That is the
attitude we have been dealing with for years.
They are only asking for an amount
not to exceed an 8-mil tax levy increase not to exceed 5 years. And my bet is they will take the maximum or they would have listed how much they really want. And next year they will raise your property taxes another 3-mil and the next year and the next year to build their empire. Have you had enough, yet.
Well hang on to your hat cowboy!
They list various things in the newspaper. One to purchase computer programs.
I don't buy that for one moment.
Why you may ask!
Because it should be budgeted annually!
If it isn't they are not doing their job properly.
Another they say for acquisition of building sites!
Whoa, horsies!
Just a few years ago they shut down two grade schools and sold the properties --- for what?
One stinking dollar.
Why?
Because they said we could not afford to keep the grade schools open.
So why do they think they need building sites?
Why do they need building sites?
Hold on to your hat ?
Perhaps because of another thing they mention in the newspaper.
Quote. "Housing and boarding pupils enrolled in an area vocational school operated under the board."
WHAT the hell are they talking about?
There is no vocational school operated under the West Elk USD School Board?
Just where do you think this lead us folks?
More and more taxation that where?
They would need a School Bond Issue to build a Vocational School and Boarding Facility of at least a
FIVE OR SIX OR MAYBE EVEN TEN MILLION DOLLARS TO BUILD it! Or even more don't you think?
And these are the same people that shut down our grade schools.
I am not making any of this up.
Please read their public notice in the Prairie Star under Public Notices on page 9 of this weeks newspaper.
Are you willing to let them do this to you ?
Or are you willing to stand up and tell the elite enough is enough ?
Are you willing to Tell them loud and clear that they work for you?
They didn't hear you on the last bond issue and angrily just blew you off.
I am strongly considering putting together a petition to put a stop to this nonsense!
But I need your help?
I'd like to know if you will you help stop them before I start doing all the work necessary to get the job done.
We will all need to work together as neighbors to get the job done.
Please private message me and let me know what you think. I will not divulge any information you message me with unless it is something nasty or ugly or mean. You have my word on that.
Thanks for reading my post and have a nice evening.
I hope to hear from a bunch of you by personal message.
Very Sincerely Ross
P.S. If you are a renter you too pay property tax because it is part of your rent check.
If property taxes are raised enough you can count on your rent going up as well.
So yes it does affect you as well.
Blah! Blah! Blah!, typical Ross trash and talking when he Doesn't know what he is talking about. A lot of what he Is
talking about on shutting down the old Grade School Happened before he invaded Elk Cpunty. From what my Family in Howard tells me it was Condemened for several reasons.
We know how you feel about Ross, so what's your opinion of the government school system?
Are you supportive of spending money?
Why don't you debate the issues with Ross so we'll know where you stand?
You and Ross are to stupid to debate anything. My husband says if you two idiots want to debate he will meet you on some deserted road, just name it.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 25, 2015, 06:54:43 AM
We know how you feel about Ross, so what's your opinion of the government school system?
Are you supportive of spending money?
Why don't you debate the issues with Ross so we'll know where you stand?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 25, 2015, 07:28:07 AM
You and Ross are to stupid to debate anything. My husband says if you two idiots want to debate he will meet you on some deserted road, just name it.
What a great show of intelligence !
Wow I am so impressed !
You must be a college graduate, huh?
I amire you great intellectual prowess, keep it coming.
Is you husband college educated as well?
You do represent Elk Konnected, don't you?
I thought so!
SIMPLY:
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It's always fun to hear from you suejoe.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 25, 2015, 06:05:18 AM
Blah! Blah! Blah!, typical Ross trash and talking when he Doesn't know what he is talking about. A lot of what he Is
talking about on shutting down the old Grade School Happened before he invaded Elk Cpunty. From what my Family in Howard tells me it was Condemened for several reasons.
Well, well why am I not surprised that you are here Joe-Sue ?
And why an I not surprised you have ignorance to spew ?
Your statements as usual coming out of Montgomery County are totally wrong.
Your family in Howard --- if they truly exist, were probably part of the reason our two grade schools were closed.
You see Joe-Sue ,Howard has this weird idea that if they have a huge school campus people will think they have a great educational program and the people will move there. Some people of Howard probably watched the fictional movie" Field of Dreams" and apparently believe, "build it and they will come". How delusional is that?
But guess what Howard, doesn't even have a school any more. The Howard High School is closed and a major eyesore and a blight on the community of Howard and is owned by God only know who.
You are so wrong about the grade schools closing before I came here. I stood on the stage at West Elk and stared down the School Board at a public meeting they called, concerning shutting down the grade schools.
I believe
Elk Konnected was behind these closings, because they organized meetings to that affect. I don't believe there is a Joe Sue 23 but I believe you may be
Elk Konnected's 23 members in disguise, because of the mis-information you are delivering on their behalf. Neither Grade School was ever condemned, both schools required maintenance and some repair. For instance the roof on the Moline Grade School needed repair and half of it was still under warranty. So show us the condemnation papers --- you can't.
My son graduated from the Moline grade school to middle school. So, how were these schools closed before I came and blessed Elk County with my presence and my money?
I just felt compelled to say blessed because of your negative attitude and mis-information.
I am in touch with Jim Porter of the Kansas State School Board for District 9, concerning this resolution to levy tax for capital outlay fund. If necessary to get some answers and I will not stop at shaking a few limbs, I will shake the whole danged tree if necessary. It is time for West Elk USD-282 Board Members to get off the kick of tax, tax, tax and to learn to budget, budget, budget. With a Million Dollars of unencumbered funds, it is time to rethink their planning. Don't you think?
Oh sorry, not you Joesue, I know you er
Elk Konnected, whom I believe you are, don't think !
It has been my pleasure joesue to communicate with you openly and honestly.
Before I go, does anyone know of a vocational school nearby West Elk USD-282?
If so would you kindly inform the rest of us. Thanks.
I eagerly await your response joesue or maybe
Elk Konnected.
Ross my husband is a BIG Xmarine and in great shape. He says he is going to come to Howard or wherever you hangout. And speak to you about your manners. He will invite several local people to join him, several have said they would attend as they are tired of your rudeness and lies. We have nothing to do with Elk Connected, in fact we don't even know what it is.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 25, 2015, 03:26:26 PM
Ross my husband is a BIG Xmarine and in great shape. He says he is going to come to Howard or wherever you hangout. And speak to you about your manners. He will invite several local people to join him, several have said they would attend as they are tired of your rudeness and lies. We have nothing to do with Elk Connected, in fact we don't even know what it is.
Oh my, oh my a BIG Xmarine and several local people to join him, I'm quaking in my boots. LOL
This is the second threat from you and it is recorded right here for all to see. Think twice! Maybe three times!
Suppose you have them give you the lecture, because darlin I'm not a liarand I have been very polite toward you arrogan ignorance. As far as manners let them read your posts.And ask them to tell you how Politics in Elk County concerning School Government and Coumty government is really none of your busines because you do not lice here or vote here or pay taxes here. And perhaps have them repeat until you comprehend.
You deny
Elk Konnected by saying you don't know who they are, you gotta be kidding. You have all that inf;uential family in Elk County you said and you don't know
Elk Konnected? And family in Howard too and you still don't know what Elk Konnected is? Where do the lies lay now?
As always my pleasure to respond politely.
Ross your day is coming and you won't like it. From what I have been told you are the most disliked liar in Howard.
People tell me you are Elk County disconnected. You have no idea what my husband can be like.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 25, 2015, 06:14:47 PM
Ross your day is coming and you won't like it. From what I have been told you are the most disliked liar in Howard.
People tell me you are Elk County disconnected. You have no idea what my husband can be like.
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Ignorant people make things up and make threats usually because they don't know what they are talking about.
And you continue to prove just that.
Now try to be a good person and learn from this experience.
As always it's my pleasure to communcate with you.
Ross, one last word then I am dropping the Forum like everybody else has. You and Redcliff, primarily you have ruined the Forum, no one signs on or Posts. What a shame it was such a neat meeting place for everyone. Some check it to read the Obits and see what trash you and Redcliff are posting, but they don't post.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 26, 2015, 04:29:46 AM
Ross, one last word then I am dropping the Forum like everybody else has. You and Redcliff, primarily you have ruined the Forum, no one signs on or Posts. What a shame it was such a neat meeting place for everyone. Some check it to read the Obits and see what trash you and Redcliff are posting, but they don't post.
I am so sorry you can not deal with the truth and have to stoop so low as to making threats and lying and making unfounded remarks that people do not post on this forum.
If you knew how to check the forums statics I think you would know better than to say:
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 26, 2015, 04:29:46 AM
no one signs on or Posts
Thank you for the heads-up that you are dropping the forum.
I am sorry to see you go because you have been a fine source of entertainment.
Bye-bye you will be missed.
JoeSue you are so right but ignorance and lies is the political side these days.
Quote from: proelkco on July 26, 2015, 05:45:32 PM
JoeSue you are so right but ignorance and lies is the political side these days.
Proelco welcome back.
Perhaps you can enlighten us about the lies of which you speak?
Please post the quote of the lies just as I have posted your post as a quote !
Please do quote all the lies you know of, it would be very helpful.
I suppose proelco that you support Joesue threats as a proper way communicate, too ! Right?
Threatening a person shows a great deal of intelligence doesn't it ?
Or truthfully that shows a person is really incapable of comprehending the subject matter, doesn't it ?
Do you proelco believe that a school board should only think of raising the taxpayer taxes continuously and mainly for sports?
Or do you believe they should be operating on a budget?
Do you believe our school Board should be taxing the taxpayer for housing and boarding students for some unknown Vocationl School?
I don't believe our school district or it's elected officials should even be involved with a Vocational School, but I am gonna do some self educating and dig for information. I'll be a the district office in the morning and fill out a Freedom Of Information Act form and learn about this area Vocational school under the control of the board.
I am already in touch with the Kansas Stae Bord of Edcation Regional Representative for our area with many questions to be answered.
Well, I suppose you will call all this information I have just posted, as lies as well !
But that's okay with me, call it a lie all you want.
Also, I plan on learning what form of petition to use to stop this huge tax increase and I may try to collect the proper number of taxpayer signatures needed to make it official. Oh, I have to learn the exact number required for the petition. I already have some voters lined up to sign and possibly help collect signatures if necessary.
There are many senior citizens on fixed incomes, just like I am and these outrageous taxes hurt them. Do you think that should be the goal of the elected officials. I don't.
The school board had Harrods putting a crown on the football field for $7000.00 and backed out and told him to remove his dirt and then hired someone fromoutside of Elk County to do the job for something like $30,000.00. Does that make a bit of sense? Besides they upset an Elk County businessman as well.
The taxpayers of Elk County were given a tax break by the County and some citizens enjoy that taxbreak, However the taxpayers in the West Elk School District lost that tax break to West Elk. West Elk snatched it right up. They even saw their taxes increase a bit over and above the amount of the tax break from the county.
Yes, I think it is time to stop the liberals on the school board or at least slow them down from this practice of tax, tax, tax. They were told twice by the taxpayers and voters "NO" on two different bond issues and simply cannot take a very direct hint.
Back to you proelco tell us about the lies in the form of quotes. Good luck trying.
I hope everyone had a good evening,
good night all.
Looks to me like Ross is in the minority here. Me too.
Quote from: redcliffsw on July 27, 2015, 06:06:25 AM
Looks to me like Ross is in the minority here. Me too.
Perhaps I am in the minority as far as posting but I believe plenty of people are reading.
And I believe people are growing tired of being over taxed by West Elk USD-282.
I am led to believe that because of folks I have spoke to person to person.
I am led to believe that because of the resounding "NO" on the last two school Bond Issues.
I believe if I start a petition to stop the present 8-mil tax hike requested that I will have no problem collecting the proper number of signitures.
I start learning, what I need to know this morning, in order to help the taxpayers of West Elk USD-282.
Especially for the Senior Citizens like myself who can not afford the constant bombardment of taxation from West Elk USD-282.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 27, 2015, 05:45:51 AM
Ross is the Obuma of Howard and Elk County. Let's let him know it.
Sorry Joesue Ross is not the Obuma of Elk County you are so wrong again.
But guess who is?
Guess who thinks they have the ability to write executive orders?
I'm pretty certain you have no clue !
Well. it is the West Elk School Board USD 282 in my opinion !
To everyone else, good morning.
I have been to Howard this morning and boy did I learn a lot !
First, I visited the Elk County Court House and was treated really politely and I appreciate that very much.
We do have some very fine employees at the court house and I appreciate them.
First I learned there are 1542 West Elk USD-282 registered voters.
I also learned if I do a petition to stop this ridiculous property tax increase I have to run it by the County Lawyer. I did briefly speak with the attorney as I was leaving the parking lor and he yold me he would have to loo that up because he wasn't sure. So I'm glad to have talked with him.
Back to the 6-mil tax.
I stopped at the USD-282 office and was about to ask for an FOIA form but asked verbally about the vocational school under the school board as stated in the resolution in the newspaper. And a whole conversation ensued between me and Mr. Moore the School Superintendent and several of his staff.
I don't believe they thought I knew what I was talking about, so one of the staff ran and got the newspaper and eventually found the resolution and sure enough that is what it said.
At any rate they said, oh that's just a "LAUNDRY LIST".
I'm thinking they mean a "GARBAGE LIST" !
Mr. Moore explains it is just simply a to do list the resolution requires by the state law, and really nothing more.
I'll say they have no plans of acquiring building sites and they have no students to pay for housing and boarding for. Mr Moore said housing and boarding hasn't been done for years. So go figure.
He goes on to say there is no nearby Vocational School under the board and that this list only represents things the school board can do, if they want to, but don't have to do.
He stated that there was only $100,000.00 plus in the Capital Outlay Fund because they used that money towards the A/C's and roof repair and to do the football field and the softball field and buy a bus. And then said if they have anymore breakdowns or need a new school bus they don't have the funds.
I asked if that was the $1,000,000.00 unencumbered funds that had been discussed at another visit and he said yes. And I added that the $1 Million that would have paid for the roof repair and air conditioning in full a couple of years ago, right? And he responded yes but then the plan of building extensions on to the building. I said that's where they wasted #10's of thousands of dollars even though the voters had been telling them no.
Folks to me none of this warrants an 8-mil Obama Executive Type property tax increase and I hope you feel the same way.
So, now I start working on fashioning a petition to prevent this Obama Executive Type type action.
If we manage to stop this resolution the School Board can then put it on the next election ballot. But they don't really want to ask your permission other wise they would not have gone about this the way they have (IMHO).
I have to try to figure out how to reach a bunch to you to sign it. Unlike the School District, I do not have money to mail all of you a petition to sign. I may set up on a downtown corner with the petition, I may walk door to door for signatures. I don't know just yet, but if anyone has any ideas, I'm all ears.
Thanks for indulging me.
I have to get busy and the rest of my day is full.
I beleve the voters of USD 282 are smart enough to to decide on their own if they want to approve the bond issues. Many of those voters are parents and taxpayers and they are will ing to pay more so their Children and Grand Children can have a better school.you tried to tell the voters who to elect as County Commissioner and they went totally the other and elected the Commissioner you tried to block. As in most cases the people are going to go against you because of you ranting and raving and negative attitude. Ross you are a loser.
Ross would please tell us why your own child does not go to school at West Elk?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 27, 2015, 01:46:11 PM
I beleve the voters of USD 282 are smart enough to to decide on their own if they want to approve the bond issues. Many of those voters are parents and taxpayers and they are will ing to pay more so their Children and Grand Children can have a better school.you tried to tell the voters who to elect as County Commissioner and they went totally the other and elected the Commissioner you tried to block. As in most cases the people are going to go against you because of you ranting and raving and negative attitude. Ross you are a loser.
Get Educated, please.
There is no bond issue, no, nada, no such thing in this issue.
Are you sure you are not
Elk Konnected just harrassing me?
Well I believe you are?
Quote from: proelkco on July 27, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
Ross would please tell us why your own child does not go to school at West Elk?
Sure proelco.
My son does not attend West Elk Because of multiple bad attitudes at that campass.
Just like the bad attitudes described throughout this thread of the School Board.
The Elk Valley school has numerous students attending there that should be at West Elk but tbecause of attitude their parents send them to Elk Valley.
Also, I am fully aware a few Elk Valley students attend West Elk but only because of sports.
Is your curiosity fullfilled, even though it has nothing to do with the extreme taxation of property owners?
I answered your question now you answer mine.
Are you a property owner in the West Elk School District and are you a registered voter in Elk County?
Ross everybody I have talked to says the attitude on the West Elk campus is great. The only bad attitudes on The Forum is you. We are not Elk Connected, we don't even know what it is. I think you are the only Elk Connected person on the Forum. In fact you are almost the only one on the Forum as you have ruined it for everyone Else.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 27, 2015, 05:35:49 PM
Ross everybody I have talked to says the attitude on the West Elk campus is great. The only bad attitudes on The Forum is you. We are not Elk Connected, we don't even know what it is. I think you are the only Elk Connected person on the Forum. In fact you are almost the only one on the Forum as you have ruined it for everyone Else.
You have absolutly no knowledge as shown in your previous post.
And you show a lack if knowledge of Elk County by saying you don't know what Elk Konnected is.
Obviously yo have no understanding of what this forum consist of.
So here is a little clue for you that this is not the only thread on this forum, please note:
217033 Posts in 14839 Topics by 653 Members
And I would venture to say that you have only visited
2 out of all 14839 Topics or threads.
But you know what? It is a free country and we all stii have the freedom of speech.
So you go right ahead and continue to speak of what you have no knowledge of. I enjoy reading your nonsense and it provides entertainment for many other readers as well. I applaud you for that.
now moving on and addressing not Montgomery County people but the people of Elk County, the taxpayers and the voters in the next post.
Thank you Joesue for the entertainment.
of course
Hi Elk County taxpayers and voters.
I hope everyone is having a great evening.
I just got home from the West Elk School Board meeting. And as usual could not hear everything said during the public meeting. At one point there were three different private going on at the same time between to different people in each conversation. This is considered very rude for a public meeting. They still lack couth and protocol forget following Roberts Rules of order that their suppose to follow.
They finally got around to talking about the Resolution to levy tax for the capital outlay fund. One board member held up the newspaper and asked if that posting is a legal document and she was told yes it is. And she questioned the content of this legal document. She was told yes it us. She was told it is just the way things are done and that the school board did not have to do any of the things listed in that document. She said she had plety of calls about that document and had no answers. Is she a board member? Did the board discuss this before posting it in the newspaper? Didn't she have to vote to post this legal document? What is really happening with this School Board.
Folks as I see what they have done, is simply to lie in that document and that means the school board is lying to you and me. Just consider the remarks about asbestos -- there is no asbestos in that school building because it was built after asbestos was outlawed. Consider the statement of acquiring building sites for housing and boarding students attending an area vocational school under the boards control --- the whole statement is a bold faced lie. Just another lie to the taxpayers and voters. When did I move to Washington DC ? Why do they find it necessary to lie?
Moving on I believe the President of the boards name is Matt Helm, I may be wrong because I am terribe at names. What did I say my name is? LOL
Well anyway while talking about this Resolution to levy tax for the capital outlay fund he said. "I'm a taxpayer and I don't mind a tax increase." To that Matt, I'd like only to say that the senior citizens that live on a fixed income have not recently inherited one million plus dollars as you have. Can you comprehend the difference?
He also said he didn't think they needed to take the full 8-mil and could get by with only 5-mil. They could afford a good used car for that amount. What? The Superintendent corrected hin and said they could use a van.
Folks this does not lock anything in as far as how many mil they finally decide to take, there was no vote taken on the amount. The superintendent said if I understood him correctly, each mil brought in nearly $20,000.00 a month. And Matt said they don't need to be, with no cushion at all. Well folks I take offense of that statement. They have well over $100,000.00 in unencumbered funds in their present capital outlay fund. And instead of being greedy and taxing the hell out of us, they should learn to budget efficiently and effectively. And above all quit wasting money senselessly.
On August 10th at 6:15 p.m. they are planning to have a School Board Budget meeting and I hope they consider the harm they are doing to Elk County with continually raising property taxes and the harm they are doing to senior citizens.
This is all just my opinion and nothing else. I hope people will discuss this information and decide for themselves what they think is happening.
Perhaps decide to sign a petition to stop this property tax increase no matter what the mil amount is and send the School Board a message. That message would be enough is enough!
I am still researching and studying on how to write a petition properly so it can not be denied for errors.
I hope to be active nest week collecting signatures. I have a busy life but I will do my best to get this thing rolling. I have 49 days from July 29th ti get it in to the county election officer.
I'd like to hear from some of you Elk County residence in the West Elk taxing district.
If you would like to send me a private message via the forum simply click on my name in the upper left-hand corner and a new page will open. There on the left hand side of the page you will see "Send PM" and another page will open for you to type your message on.
Thanks Everyone.
Time for me to call it a night and prepare for bed.
Good night all.
Ross, if I do recall your son did not graduate from Moline Grade School. My son was in his class and I recall you pulling him out in grade school. At Moline Grade School, students graduate from grade school at the end of sixth grade. I remember your son playing basketball for Elk Valley when he was in sixth grade.
Ross you are even stupider than I thought, what does all the previous topics and posts have to do with all the stupid, rude ones you have posted those posts primarily came before you ruined the Forum for everyone else. You just can't see how bad you are for Elk county, Howard and Forum. Now posts some of your crap in response.
What I'd like to know from you all why you'd ever send your kids to a government school in the first place?
Why would you want to let the government instill their doctrine in your kids' minds. Just because you had it instilled in your minds? If so, I'm thinking that you maintained your training in pretty good shape instead of researching the matter and thinking for yourself.
Respectfully Submitted,
red
Red do you have children? Where did they go to school?
You don't really think he will answer do you?
Quote from: daisy on July 27, 2015, 09:15:56 PM
Ross, if I do recall your son did not graduate from Moline Grade School. My son was in his class and I recall you pulling him out in grade school. At Moline Grade School, students graduate from grade school at the end of sixth grade. I remember your son playing basketball for Elk Valley when he was in sixth grade.
You are part right Daisy. Brandon did complee the 6th grade at West Elk, but they simply passed him. Because apparently they don't fail students. I felt Brandon was not prepared to transition to middle school and I told them I wanted to hold hm back in the sixth grade when I enrolled him. They thought, they were the parent and moved him up to the seventh grade. He was terribly upset the first day of school and then yet another problem developed with West Elk which was really a bad attitude on their part and it was then I moved my son to Elk Valley and enrolled him in the sixth grade.
I am the parent and I know what is best for my son becuse I know his total history and I know his abilities. And as a parent it is my responsibility to make the important decisions for him not some educator. I believe if they reviewed the state laws they do not have that right.
I have probably spent more time at school than any other parent and sit in more classes as well. And I am proud to say that my son made the honor roll last year. And that is thanks to the Superintendent and the teachers working with me instead of against me and vice-versa. I am very pleased with the Elk Valleyteachers and staff.
I really don't wish to delve in to the problems with West Elk and the attitude problems but it has been noted during board meetings of conflicts between teachers and staff and between teachers and the board. I know of at least 4 incidents of terminations based on quit or be fired at West Elk, in just the last two years. Of course those involved chose to quit, so being fired would not show up on their history. When a situation like this hapens there is no fanfare, i.e. no newspaper articles saying what a great person and teacher or coach they were, no lists of accomplish, no notes of acquiring a ne w job with more prestige, nothing just gone.
But really back to the overtaxation at West Elk USD-283 isn't enough --- enough?
Should they be permitted to raise our taxes by 8-mil just because they can?
Should they be permitted to raise our taxes by 8-mil based on a legal document in the newspaper that is full of lives?
Do they really need to raise our taxes again to put money in the Capital Outlay Fund just because?
The Capital Outlay Fund I know for a fact has $100,000.00 (+) in it and may be nearly $150,000.00?
Three years ago they had $1 million in the Capital Outlay Fund and could have repaired the roof and replaced all the air conditioners for that amount, they chose not to do it. They were warned the costs of construction was increasing rapidly by one of their Archetecs but chose to ignore the advice. Today that same work is costing $1.5 million with 1/2 a million being borrowed from a bank.
So while they were ignoring perfectly sound advice they were spending, spending, spending.
I told the readers of this thread many times about the talk at almost every board meeting of raising taxes. But this one I did not see coming. 8 mil without asking the voters, they said at many meetings anything over thre mils had to be voted on. So apparently someone told them of this loophole of using a resolution.
I've been wrong before but I'd bet a dollar to a donut they take the whole eight mil no matter what they say at meetings about taking only 5 mil. Because once theypost the resolution in the newspaper tomorrow if it goes unopposed there is nothing to stop them slapping us with that 8 mil.
Thanks for asking about my son Daisy and thanks for remembering him.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 28, 2015, 05:03:14 AM
Ross you are even stupider than I thought, what does all the previous topics and posts have to do with all the stupid, rude ones you have posted those posts primarily came before you ruined the Forum for everyone else. You just can't see how bad you are for Elk county, Howard and Forum. Now posts some of your crap in response.
You must be related to Diane.
Would you please fo play ona mjor highway somewhere, please.
You are beginning to bore me.
I'm sorry, the Devil made me do that.
I'm trying to be polite.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 28, 2015, 01:14:40 PM
You don't really think he will answer do you?
You didn't see proelco respond to my questions did you Diane?
How are you and your friend Joesue getting along.
You two sound like sisters when you visit this thread.
Are you two related?
The same genev pool seems to come across in your remarks.
ROFLMAO I'se just funnin you college kids.
Ross, I am the husband and I am tired of you being such a total smart aleck. The truth of the matter is you are a rude, dumb name caller. What is your address I am going to pay you a visit so I can see what kind of an idiot you look like. You and you alone have ruined the Forum, a lot of people enjoyed it for so long and enjoyed so many topics, then a long came a rude idiot named Ross and ruined it.
That would explain why I remember him being in sixth grade at Longton. I am not going to argue with you about anything. I am simply going to state that I am a proud graduate of West Elk, my children attend West Elk, as well as relatives of mine and we have never encountered any attitude issues. My opinion differs from yours on West Elk, end of story.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 28, 2015, 03:07:31 PM
Ross, I am the husband and I am tired of you being such a total smart aleck. The truth of the matter is you are a rude, dumb name caller. What is your address I am going to pay you a visit so I can see what kind of an idiot you look like. You and you alone have ruined the Forum, a lot of people enjoyed it for so long and enjoyed so many topics, then a long came a rude idiot named Ross and ruined it.
Joesue really you are your husband, that's amazing !
It says in the left hand corner of this post Joesue can you see that.
I am truly impressed.
Joesue you came on to this forum with nothing but lie and a mouth.
Not one bit of decent conversation and you expect people to take you serious.
Get real!
Here are your first three posts and all the rest followed suit with the bad mouthing and name-calling.
Would you like me to post more of them for you?
I'd be more than happy to accommodate you!
This was your very first post upon joining the Forum:
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 08:40:44 AM
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
Your second post:
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 06, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
The best thing that could happen to Elk County is for Ross and Hillbilly to leave and go put their negative crap on another county. Shari is a really sharp person and she has held some very important jobs with Major Oil pipelines, she will do great as a County Commissioner. Her husband is part of a very longtime prominent and successful ranching family in Elk county. Shari's Mother served Elk count for many years and did. Great job of it, Shari will do well Also.
Your third post:
This is where you lied about County Commissioner Ritz.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 24, 2014, 12:14:38 PM
If you listen to Ross blow, everyone that doesn't agree with him is part of Elk Konnected. I happen to know that Shari Kaminski has never had anything to do with Elk Konnected. All my family and friends in Elk County intend to vote for Shari. She is super sharp and her family are Ranchers and landowners in Elk County. Doug is not a landowner and what he farms is land owned by Shari's Aunt. Think about it what has Ross done for Elk County, NOTHING.
Here is the date you registered:
Caney, KS
Date Registered: June 10, 2014, 02:47:29 pm
You are great entertainment, thank you.
I am working over time to be humorous and polite with you.
Be gracious and stop with the attitude from Montgomery County, Kansas.
You are surely being an embarasment to your family in Elk County if they truely exist.
Quote from: daisy on July 28, 2015, 05:49:27 PM
That would explain why I remember him being in sixth grade at Longton. I am not going to argue with you about anything. I am simply going to state that I am a proud graduate of West Elk, my children attend West Elk, as well as relatives of mine and we have never encountered any attitude issues. My opinion differs from yours on West Elk, end of story.
I can accept your opinion and have no argument with it.
I am mainly interested in the over-taxation by West Elk and the wasteful spending of taxpayers money.
They wasted tens of thousands of dollar wanting to build a new Grade School after saying we could not afford to keep Moline Grade School. I can only guess that had to be in excess of $50,000.00 for architects and
drawings , even though they knew the voters would vote it down. And followed that up with another $40,000.00 for architects and drawings for a wing on the present building. again knowing the voters would shoot it down.
When the wing got shot down the President of the Board during a board meeting mad to remarks in anger,
1. I guess my children will have to grow up without the pleasure of playing in a brand new Gymnasium.
2. I don't give a damn how pissed off the taxpayers get.
That is a bad attitude if I have ever heard one. And I was at that board meeting and heard both statements.
It wasn;t about classrooms, the classrooms were added only for the purpose of a new gymnasium in my opinion. He didn't say my kids won't have the pleasure of studying in a brand new class room.
The school board as I said earlier has in excess of $100,000. in the Capital Outlay Fund left over from the $1 million they had a few months ago and apparently they can use that money for what ever they want. They used part of it to pay nearly $30,000.00 to crown the football field so it would be more professional. When Harrods had al ready started the job for only $7,000.00. Right there is a big waste of money because of the lack of ability of the school board to communicate with Harrods. They also used some of that same money to put in automatic sprinkler systems a simple job for the people in maintenance to accomplish that they have been doing in the past. But now its automated and is something that can and will develop problems and be expensive to call in outside repairmen to fix.
The president of the board said last night he pays property taxes and to that I say fine but the rest of the taxpayers have not just inherited a million dollars or more. I am a senior citizen on a fixed income and I'm almost certain my retirement and Social Security surpasses seniors ten and fifteen years my senior. Which is not bragging by a long shot, it is to point out that if I find these constant property tax increases a burden those that are 10 and 15 years my senior may have to do without some necessities in order to pay the exorbitant taxes.
I believe the school board should be more attentive, more frugal, and more conservative. I believe they should pay much more attention to building a better budget rather than building a bigger building or a professional sports arena at great expense to the taxpayer. They need to come down to earth, They only have 300 and maybe 30 students to provide an education for. It is not like city schools with 800 or 12 00 or more students per school.
I hope, I have made my self better understood.
Ross, you are a total idiot, the worst thing to happen to the Forum and Elk county. I don't know a soul that likes you. You single handidly ruined the Forum for so many. Keep Blabbing, your day is coming and you won't like it.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 29, 2015, 03:38:51 AM
Ross, you are a total idiot, the worst thing to happen to the Forum and Elk county. I don't know a soul that likes you. You single handidly ruined the Forum for so many. Keep Blabbing, you day is coming and you won't like it.
Can you even put together one intelligent sentence without some form of a threat?
Do you even understand voters rights, a property owners rights, a taxpayers rights?
Do you comprehend anything posted on any thread on this forum?
Do you realize threats are what school children do and receive discipline for bullying?
Do you have any kind of education?
I am concerned about you mental well being, do you need help?
Four Corners Mental Health is right there in Montgomery County.
If you are okay please refrain from the threats and the continually negative and nasty, ugly posting please.
It would show you are of a stable mind.
Thank you.
Quote from: proelkco on July 28, 2015, 09:54:33 AM
Red do you have children? Where did they go to school?
Yes.
Non-governmental school.
Toss, Ross you just described yourself completely, you are the one that needs mental health, help you are the one that is negative about everything. Your day is coming and you won't like it. You alone have ruined the Forum for everyone. You are one sick person, and I think almost everyone agrees with me.
That's fine, Red, as long as they are getting a good, complete, basic education, I have never cared where kids get it. They need to be prepared to become useful happy adults with some sense of self, and be able to succeed at whatever they want to do.
Just to show you how good things can be, I have a 50 year friend who recently retired from being a principal in a public school in Cary North Carolina. She had a child transfer in who was absolutely floundering in the basics. She pulled him out of everything but reading,writing,spelling and math and set him up with an immersion program where he worked hard at just those subjects. She said he could get the history, social studies ,and science,art and gym later .Without the basics he was doomed. She really cared about him.
JoeSue.You have to understand, Ross means well, but he can't handle rejection of any kind and will tell what he knows are lies to cover himself.
For time he kept telling everyone who would listen that Liz Hendricks was writing as me. One big lie. He still posts that I read every word he writes...nope.. another lie. He just not that important. He also thinks Liz still comes on to read what he has to say. She hasn't been interested in years! Now he will accuse you two of being one person. He can't handle it otherwise.
Welcome to the world of the patronizing poster. He will do whatever he thinks he needs to to look like a kid's super hero.
Be prepared to be patted on the head.Everyone has it wrong but him, and with his strong contrarian personality, a little goes a long way. He really does have some good ideas occasionally, but his presentation stinks....and he really doesn't care.
Diane, Ross is a complete rude ignorant Butt . He cares nothing about people's feelings . The Forum was great until he got on . His day is coming and he won't like it.
The more I think about it, Ross is Perfect, the perfect SOB and the Perfect Jerk.
This whole topic on Elk Konnected is his opinion and full of BS from the very beginning. He has made anyone that answers him despise him.
Thanks Proelkco pleased to know I am not the only one. It would be great if more of you would voice your opinion. Maybe we could make him see what a jerk he is. I think Diane is the only one that likes him, just kidding Diane.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 29, 2015, 06:56:30 AM
Toss, Ross you just described yourself completely, you are the one that needs mental health, help you are the one that is negative about everything. Your day is coming and you won't like it. You alone have ruined the Forum for everyone. You are one sick person, and I think almost everyone agrees with me.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2015, 10:31:43 AM
JoeSue.You have to understand, Ross means well, but he can't handle rejection of any kind and will tell what he knows are lies to cover himself.
For time he kept telling everyone who would listen that Liz Hendricks was writing as me. One big lie. He still posts that I read every word he writes...nope.. another lie. He just not that important. He also thinks Liz still comes on to read what he has to say. She hasn't been interested in years! Now he will accuse you two of being one person. He can't handle it otherwise.
Welcome to the world of the patronizing poster. He will do whatever he thinks he needs to to look like a kid's super hero.
Be prepared to be patted on the head.Everyone has it wrong but him, and with his strong contrarian personality, a little goes a long way. He really does have some good ideas occasionally, but his presentation stinks....and he really doesn't care.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 29, 2015, 10:50:03 AM
Diane, Ross is a complete rude ignorant Butt . He cares nothing about people's feelings . The Forum was great until he got on . His day is coming and he won't like it.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 29, 2015, 12:04:25 PM
The more I think about it, Ross is Perfect, the perfect SOB and the Perfect Jerk.
Quote from: proelkco on July 29, 2015, 01:47:41 PM
This whole topic on Elk Konnected is his opinion and full of BS from the very beginning. He has made anyone that answers him despise him.
First let me say you are each entitled to your own personal opinion, no matter how wrong it is.
And I can respect that.
However your association with
Elk Konnected and
Elk Konnected's use of
Saul Alinsky Methods
are failing miserably. Your bullying and lying will not work on me.
The Alinsky methods worked well for E
lk Konnected briefly and then people wised up.
Elk Konnected claimed they weeded out the so called,
"Old Guard" but anyone with a smidgen of intelligence could that
Elk Konnectedis or was the
"Old Guard" in a
new dress. Why do you suppose
Elk Konnected has all but disappeared?
Elk Konnected can no longer ask a
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner or two to give them county funds and vote to give it to their own organization, now can they?
But I am sorry to inform you this thread is not totally my opinion Proelco.
Read page one of this thread to read all the Bull Shit dished out by
Elk Konnectedto the County Commissioners. Most of it is based on
Socialism and whom do you think wanted control?
Check out
Elk Konnected's web site, it's like a ghost town, don't ya think? Nothing has changed since day one. Except the Steering has gotten smaller and there have been absolutely no progress on any of their goals. Isn't that a pretty good indication that Elk County Citizens had got enough?
Read about the lollipops and the entire name calling by Elk Konnected Followers through out the thread. And everyone denied belonging to
Elk Konnected.Just like the three of you are attempting to do these days. Well, all your threats and lies and name-calling amount to nothing. I am not that thin skinned.
Elk Konnected Followers carry on. And prove my point.
I have provided a lot of very good information to the Elk County citizens about both the West Elk Governing bodies actions and the County Commissioners and it was all verifiable documentation.
And I doubt any of you
Elk Konnected Followers have read any of that documentation.
What do you think your civic duty is? For any of you that might be a property owner, voter, citizen of Elk County? Do you even understand what Civic Duty is?
I just recieved a list of all registered voters in the West Elk USD-282 school District which will be used to verify signers on the petition. So I have to get busy. As always it's a pleasure to visit with
Elk Konnected Followers.TTFN I have more important things to do.
So, Please continue with your attitudes and prove my point. I think everyone else reading this has already figured it out.
Blah, Blah, Blah Ross tell us who agrees with you. Everybody I talk to says they can't stand you and that you are the biggest liar, and the rudest person on the Forum. They all credit you with ruining it for everyone. You are one self centered jerk. Come on tell everyone who it is that likes you and believes you.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 29, 2015, 05:49:07 PM
Blah, Blah, Blah Ross tell us who agrees with you. Everybody I talk to says they can't stand you and that you are the biggest liar, and the rudest person on the Forum. They all credit you with ruining it for everyone. You are one self centered jerk. Come on tell everyone who it is that likes you and believes you.
Shhhh now don't tell no one okay it's a top secret organization
It's
"SWATSD"Now you promised not to tell.
Those that know, know and those that don't know, don't know.
ROFLMAO!
The political back-stabbing relocated back to the coffee Shop to East Coast Happenings, Diane Ambergs thread. I had promised her sometime back if she wanted to do politics in the Coffee Shop I'd accomadate her.
So the following quote which is mine is what I posted on her thread.
I tought I'd share it with everyone in case some one missed it.
After all it does belong here in the political section doesn't it.
Quote from: ROSS on July 29, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
If ya all back track you would find the very post in this thread of a political nature was Dianes post/
And ya'all keep feeding it in a back-stabbing manner.
So ya see I have to come back and set the story straight.
How many of you live in Elk County that pay taxes and vote here in Elk County?
And for calling me obama I don't think you understand Obama.
You see Obama was just like Elk Konnected, a Community Organizer, hehad to have people follow him just like Elk Konnected Followers.
And look what Obama and his community organizing did for him.
While it destroyed the cities he touched it made him wealthy.
He made money off of the taxpayers where as I don;t have any followers I have fellow citizens and fellow taxpayers and fellow voters that all think for themselves. And I am sure they will think for themselves if I ask them to sign a petition to save themselves from being robbed by the West Elk School Board for taxes it does not need.
It will be each and everyone of their own decisions. No circle of chairs, no name tags, no kindergarten stars, no telling them who they can talk with. Now don't ya think that is the way it should be or should it be the Obama way?
Bad mouth me all you want but I am a concerned and caring citizen of Elk County and i believe you are all just jealous that you do not live here.
Eat your hearts out.
I'm loving it. Good night all.
One sick person, Ross.
This is the rambling of a spoiled, idiot trying to push the blame on to others. No matter what you say Ross you and you alone ruined the Forum.
Quote from: ROSS on July 29, 2015, 09:06:27 PM
The political back-stabbing relocated back to the coffee Shop to East Coast Happenings, Diane Ambergs thread. I had promised her sometime back if she wanted to do politics in the Coffee Shop I'd accomadate her.
So the following quote which is mine is what I posted on her thread.
I tought I'd share it with everyone in case some one missed it.
After all it does belong here in the political section doesn't it.
I'm loving it. Good night all.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 05:12:03 AM
One sick person, Ross.
I'm sorry Jyou're feeling feeling ill joesue, try a couple of asprins and see your doctor.
I hope you get to feeling better soon.
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If you backtrack back you will find every rude quote, lie and negative comment comes from this thread and Ross.
No wonder everyone left the Forum.
Really funny that you would post this since you are the biggest liar on the Forum and have the least friends.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 05:13:30 AM
This is the rambling of a spoiled, idiot trying to push the blame on to others. No matter what you say Ross you and you alone ruined the Forum.
Little girl I have never been spoiled.
I cane from a dirt poor family and if I wanted something I earned it.
As a kid if I wanted to go to the movies I earned that quarter by working for people.
I worked from the age of eleven years old. When I needed new clothes, I bought them with my own money.
Spoiled far from it.
Everything I have or ever had I earned by holding down a job.
But you know the materialistic items are not near as important as having ethics, honesty and integrity.
When I was your age, I had much more respect for people than you do.
I didn't take time out from holding down a job to bad mouth and lie about people.
The hardest work for some young people these days is picking up their welfare check from the mail box.
Has yours hit the mailbox yet?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 05:45:28 AM
Really funny that you would post this since you are the biggest liar on the Forum and have the least friends.
This is just exactly what I am talking about.
The name calling,
The accusation of lying.
And your lack of respect!
You call me a liar and yet have nothing to back it up with!
That my dear is called ignorance
That is what Obama's liberals do when they lack the knowledge or the proof to back them up.
It is also the tactic used by children frequently.
I have asked you to prove that I am a liar and you lack the ability to do so.
You also seem to lack the ability to communicate beyond one sentence.
And that one sentence always being crude and ugly.
You truly have my sympathy.
You say I call you a liar and I have nothing to back it up with. Everyone that I know and that reads the Forum says you are a liar and a rude jerk. You ruined the Forum and Like a little kid you don't want to admit it. I am not a little girl I am a big man and I am coming to see you to discuss manners and honesty, both of which you don't have.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 07:50:45 AM
You say I call you a liar and I have nothing to back it up with. Everyone that I know and that reads the Forum says you are a liar and a rude jerk. You ruined the Forum and Like a little kid you don't want to admit it. I am not a little girl I am a big man and I am coming to see you to discuss manners and honesty, both of which you don't have.
You have absolutly nothing to back you up.
Saying everyone you know is saying it is either a lie or they don't know or most likely they don't exist.
Try doing something really honest and quote any of my lies from this forum.
You can't do that, can you. Because I am not a liar. I have stated that I am human and subject to making mistakes, and that is the truth.
So now you are a big man when you recently said your husband was a big ex-Marine.
You have said Kaminski wasn't Elk Connected and the turn around and say you don't know what Elk Konnected is.
That just suggest that you are an Elk Konnected follower. That is the method all the Elk Konnected Followers
used through out this thread.
Can you possibly go back and play on Dianes thread?
Interesting. I can almost tell what Ross has been saying without taking him off ignore. ;D ;D ;D.
I'll bet he has been as patronizing as all get out and has patted you folks on the head and feels sorry for you. ;D ;D ;D. Am I right? All you have to do is do as he says and all will be well.
Did he attack EK again? I'll bet he did. ;D ;D ;D. He really has no interest in being a team player and will never ask for anyone elses ideas or opinions, or tolerate them. He will redirect most any topic to what he wants to talk about. Get used to it. It will never change. Good luck. :angel:
Ross, everyone I know has said you are a Bald faced liar, I could list some of your lies her but you know what they are. Idiot I am the husband not the wife, you are really stupid. As far as me saying Shari was not Elk Connected I know nothing about EK except the lies you put out there, and I knew dome of the people you were lying about. Shari knew nothing about EK either except for you ranting and raving. You have already ruined the Forum so why don't you find something else to ruin away from the Forum.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
Ross, everyone I know has said you are a Bald faced liar, I could list some of your lies her but you know what they are. Idiot I am the husband not the wife, you are really stupid. As far as me saying Shari was not Elk Connected I know nothing about EK except the lies you put out there, and I knew dome of the people you were lying about. Shari knew nothing about EK either except for you ranting and raving. You have already ruined the Forum so why don't you find something else to ruin away from the Forum.
Temper, temper.
You kept referring your husband was gonna do this or that.
So how come I'm to believe you are a man.
Maybe you have a split personality? I don't know what.
Ross that is to stupid to respond to, we both have access to the Forum. You are just trying to be argumentative,.
What a jerk you are.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 10:46:57 AM
Ross that is to stupid to respond to, we both have access to the Forum. You are just trying to be argumentative,.
What a jerk you are.
Oh no, not argumentative, not at all.
In case you don't remember I asked you when you first posted on this thread I asked about the name joesue 23 and what it neabt. And you wouldn't say.
So, I was guessing if it was a he/she or it and still got no response.
You both couldn;t log on for some reason to make it transparent whether we were talking to a man or a woman. Yes, it does matter.
So, I assume we will have to continue to be in the dark as to whether we are talking to Sue or Joe.
That is a lot like what Obama thinks transparency is.
So pardon me if I for some reason or other don't respond to you post, they are growing real boring anyway.
Talk it over with Diane on East Coast Happenings in the Coffee Shog a followerp, I'm sure she has lots of wisdom about trasparency and being a followee.r. Especially on following properly like a puppet. She has plenty of practice thanks to all her orgnaizations and Elk Konnected. LOL
Bye-bye
Ross, all of the suggestions from the original meeting came from citizens in Elk County not from Elk Konnected.
Quote from: proelkco on July 30, 2015, 12:12:54 PM
Ross, all of the suggestions from the original meeting came from citizens in Elk County not from Elk Konnected.
They came from a supposedly Elk Konnected Kommunity Konversation where there was no Community Conversation. It was a three ring manipulated circus of circles of chair, and people told they could not sith with their spouse, neighbor or friends.
There was never any proof of the so called suggestions came from the citizens or even came from the meeting. There is not one drop of docmentation to prove where the socialist ideas came from.
Why is it if Elk Knnnected is anything good, they want to deny the papers that were given to the County Commissioners ?
Try again!
Proelkco, why are you arguing with that idiot. You would do better to find a good Hedge Post and argue with it.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 12:55:23 PM
Proelkco, why are you arguing with that idiot. You would do better to find a good Hedge Post and argue with it.
There is no argument Joesue.
The truth iis in the thread.
It was simply a discussion.
Ross there is more lies than truth in your posts and it is not possible to have a simple discussion with you, you have proven that over and over. Don't you see that no one or hardly no one ever comments or answers your posts.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Ross there is more lies than truth in your posts and it is not possible to have a simple discussion with you, you have proven that over and over.
You apparently have not read all 650 pages of this thread and haven't a clue of what is in it.
For instance have you heard the taped recording taken at the County Commissioners Meeting?
Sho us you know what you are talking about, tell us what is on that recording?
Show us where that recording is?
Have you seen all the documentation concerning West Elk USD-282?
Tell us what the documentation concerns?
And the explain why you think documentation is a lie?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Don't you see that no one or hardly no one ever comments or answers your posts.
I have never asked anyone to reply, not really.
I am asking you to reply to the above questions since you have called me a liar without justifacation.
The major responses are from naysayers, name callers and hateful people that don't care to have a conversation. Which is due to their inability to communicate respectfully and decently. And because they can not dispute anything i have posted logically. You know the
Elk Konnected Followers !When do you show your ability to have an educated conversation?
You still have not been able to quote even one of my lies, how pathetic is that?
I don't believe you have even tried to read this thread to find one of my lies. How terrible.
I already have a lot of people anxious to sigh a petition to stop the property tax hike by West Elk my goal which should be pretty easy to accomplish is 200 signatures. But I will accept many more if people are registered voters and want to sign.
Why? Because the School Board has chosen to waste possibly as much as or more than $80,000.00 ignoring the taxpayers and voters. And they need a stronger message to operate with-in their budget. That's why!
But, I wouldn't expect someone from Montgomery County to understand this. Because you have absolutly nothing in this ballgame.
So you are now calling Dana Mills a liar.She is the one that gave the info.
Ross I and my family own more Land in Elk County than you do. You are always making staatements and babbling about things you know nothing about.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 06:09:52 PM
Ross I and my family own more Land in Elk County than you do. You are always making staatements and babbling about things you know nothing about.
Why do people make this statement about having more land than someone else does??? Does having more land make that person better than the other somehow?? How does this have anything to do with the topic at hand?? Or is it because one has more land one pays more taxes and that makes them superior because they are not as upset about where their tax dollars go, unlike Ross?
I've said it before.....
If you don't like what the man has to say, stop reading his posts.
Keep at it Ross, people are still reading. Air out the garbage and the underhanded things that happen, someone might learn something.
Thank you nykkylsdymes.
I am still working on getting the proper and legal petition for filing with the couty attorney so I can start collecting signatures.
These people that are naysayers are just trying t make me mad and they are failing terribly.
I am and actually having fun playing with them.
This whole thing is not personal to me. It concerns a couple of organizations trying to behave as a governing body and the governing bodies we have that have been out of control and one that is still out of control. It's also about them possibly slipping back out of control.
Some people just can't deal with the truth.
Have a good evening nykkylsdymes and thanks for the encouragement.
I for one appreciate that Mr Ross attends meetings and does homework on where OUR money is going. I find no disputing of the facts as related to this thread monentarily.
The "my husband says" poster is obviously not the sharpest tool in the box, and Diane, you know it, so why give any credence, other than to annoy Ross. As you have said, he brings forth some interesting items.
When I read about someone's BIG X marine, it brings to mind the movie, " Full Metal Jacket" , and the private "Gomer Pyle" . Sorry , Jar, but you know they all don't deserve to belong in your beloved corps. A Marine would never provoke a fight, just end it.
Quote from: proelkco on July 30, 2015, 05:47:00 PM
So you are now calling Dana Mills a liar.She is the one that gave the info.
No sir, I have never put those three words together ever, as you have.
So don't try to put words in my mouth.
It does not matter who the delivery person is or are you saying the mailman is responsible for the message he delivers in the letter he leaves in his mail box. If so I guess the party you mention is responsible for putting the
Community Conversation Committee Report (What
Elk Konnected called it) together all on her own and is fully responsible. Is that what you actually think?
Please do not count me in on your way of thinking. The delivery person is not the person necessarily responsible for the message.
Elk Konnected holds all the responsibility IMHO and as I have stated many times there is absolutely no documentation, that anyone at the so called
Konnected Kommunity Konversation had any of the ideas listed.
Enough said.
Have a good night
Mr. Elk Konnected Follower
Bullwinkle,
Excellent point about the Marines.
I had the opportunity to work with and around plenty of Marines during m service time and all were stand up people, honorable people.
Then I met Jarhead as a civilian, boy does he like to harrass swabbies. LOL
Well at least this old swabbie.
Ross your answer to me shows how narrow minded you truly are
Quote from: proelkco on July 31, 2015, 08:14:07 AM
Ross your answer to me shows how narrow minded you truly are
Your opinion noted and accepted.
But your opinion is far more narrow minded than mine, if you for one minute you think that the delivery person is responsible for the written doccument. Thats my opinion ! And I stand behind it !
And perhaps you did not comprehend what I posted, so here it is again for your reading pleasure:
Quote from: ROSS on July 30, 2015, 08:43:17 PM
No sir, I have never put those three words together ever, as you have.
So don't try to put words in my mouth.
It does not matter who the delivery person is or are you saying the mailman is responsible for the message he delivers in the letter he leaves in his mail box. If so I guess the party you mention is responsible for putting the Community Conversation Committee Report (What Elk Konnected called it) together all on her own and is fully responsible. Is that what you actually think?
Please do not count me in on your way of thinking. The delivery person is not the person necessarily responsible for the message.
Elk Konnected holds all the responsibility IMHO and as I have stated many times there is absolutely no documentation, that anyone at the so called Konnected Kommunity Konversation had any of the ideas listed.
Enough said.
Have a good night Mr. Elk Konnected Follower
Well, Bull, you made some work for me this morning, I really do have Ross on ignore, but since you mentioned me, I went back and read some of his posts to see what the heck is going on now.
I don't think it's cute for him to admit he is "playing" with people and making sport of it. That is very patronizing and he'll always have people who dislike him because of it. People are not toys! Why do something to deliberately get local people upset?
It's back to "he said, she said?"
He doesn't represent everyone and is not an elected official. Going to meetings is fine and gathering information is fine, as long as he behaves and doesn't make fun of the people who were elected.That's how one gets a negative reputation. He needs to stop that if he wants to be taken seriously by a wider group of people. One can think what one wants, but don't post it.
Some of his good ideas may be missed because they are buried in rewinding a very old clock and revisiting things that don't matter.
Loyal opposition is a good thing, but he needs to accept that people are allowed to disagree with him. (Threatening to take ones business somewhere else doesn't have a positive effect on anybody and makes one look hysterical.)
I have never understood why he didn't do his research before he bought land in Elk County. It is well known that it is a county with high taxes.
Every retired person everywhere sees the same thing whenever taxes are raised and their income is chipped away. It's very predicable. That doesn't mean there is funny business going on, especially if an area is losing population.The same services are still needed with fewer people to pay for them...or drastic cuts in services have to happen...and absentee landlords, of which I understand there are a number of large landowners, aren't going to care like residents do.
Why is he still hung up on the first EK meeting? After all this time who cares how a meeting was meant to be run, except Ross? There was nothing unusual about the format, it just didn't suit him. No, he didn't have the "right" to address the group. I've never understood what that was all about. He has never gotten over the fact that he was refused.
Back to the garden..we're going out for soft shell crabs later, since Al is feeling much better today.
If Ross allows himself to be annoyed by my postings, he can put me on ignore... no more problem. :angel:
Well said Diane, I am sure the large majority agrees with you.
Well said Proelkco, I am sure the large majority agrees with you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Well, Bull, you made some work for me this morning, I really do have Ross on ignore, but since you mentioned me, I went back and read some of his posts to see what the heck is going on now.
Well maybe you have me on ignore but your infatuation doesn't allow it to work.
Gee Diane you made some work for me this afternoon.
ROFLMAOQuote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
I don't think it's cute for him to admit he is "playing" with people and making sport of it. That is very patronizing and he'll always have people who dislike him because of it. People are not toys! Why do something to deliberately get local people upset?
You are quite right there is nothing cute about it. It's not intended to be cute. And the only one I am playing with is you and the other Elk Konnected Followers who are the largest nay-sayers and name callers and back-stabbers I have ever come across. Now that is the honest to goodness truth. Do you think everything in life is a popularity contest? Well I don't!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
It's back to "he said, she said?"
What is new, it's always been that way from you
Elk Konnected Followers.Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
He doesn't represent everyone and is not an elected official. Going to meetings is fine and gathering
information is fine, as long as he behaves and doesn't make fun of the people who were elected.That's how one gets a negative reputation. He needs to stop that if he wants to be taken seriously by a wider group of people. One can think what one wants, but don't post it.
I have never claimed to represent anyone Diane. I have said people should think for themselves. In fact, I told you, I did not belong to any group what so ever, when you asked me why I don't have an organization.
I suppose for a person to voice their opinion or to provide documented information that they have to belong to some silly organization. Well. I don't believe that for one minute either.
I haven't made fun of any elected officials, I have perhaps stated that they are educated idiots, or don't give a damn about the taxpayer or the voter. I have said the President of the Board failed to do his job at open meetings and put a stop to certain people in the audience, snickering and laugh at a board member while he was discussing an action. That is not making fun of anyone, it is providing my opinion concerning their behavior or actions. One acquires a negative reputation through their own actions or lack of actions.
So Diane, you have assumed the position of thought police, how gracious you are!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
. He needs to stop that if he wants to be taken seriously by a wider group of people. One can think what one wants, but don't post it.
So now you are also the all and great wizard of the internet and forums with all your wisdom!
My-my what heavy loads you carry.
Is it your job to tell people what they can or can not post? I don't think so sweetie.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Some of his good ideas may be missed because they are buried in rewinding a very old clock and revisiting things that don't matter.
Oh, but Diane the past does matter, it always has! And apparently you don't like the past because it spills the truth out on the floor. Hillary Clinton is fighting the past and the lies about her e-mails and she has a great deal to worry about. Really big criminal charges against her are possible because of the past. Can you understand and comprehend how the past does matter?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Loyal opposition is a good thing, but he needs to accept that people are allowed to disagree with him.
I think your analogy stinks, but that is just your opinion and yes you have stated it and this is my opinion.
Where in the heck do you find loyal opposition, those two words work against each other. It sounds like one of them far left liberal phrases trying to confuse issues. You have disagreed with me many, many times and I know that.
What you Diane have to accept is, that I have a right to respond, no matter how much you dislike it. Just like this response.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
(Threatening to take ones business somewhere else doesn't have a positive effect on anybody and makes one look hysterical.)
To state a possible boycott in a matter of fact way for believed abuses is a national hobby and does not necessarily represent a threat. It is a valuable tool of the citizens of this country. I think your negative liberal opinion stinks.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
rewinding a very old clock and revisiting things that don't matter.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
I have never understood why he didn't do his research before he bought land in Elk County. It is well known that it is a county with high taxes.
You think that somewhere there is information. about some liberal community organizer is listed as a start up, years after one arrives. And do you think that anyone would tell you, that the school board would be foolish enough to shut down grade schools. Because they can not afford to do some repairs and then waste tens of thousands of dollars for architects to draw up plans for a new school in their town, when the people had already let them know it would not happen. And also tell you the School board would do it all again at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars more for an extension, they knew would be voted down And how about the Board President angrily stating his children would have to grow up with out the opportunity to play in a brand new gymnasium. Or that the same Board President angrily said he didn't care how mad the voters got. Huh, where would you find information on such a bad attitude? Would there be information to find on all of that Diane? Please tell me where it is located?
You are suggesting I should have researched the past in the phrase, yet earlier in this post like a good little liberal you say history doesn't matter. Can you possibly make up your minf?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Every retired person everywhere sees the same thing whenever taxes are raised and their income is chipped away. It's very predicable. That doesn't mean there is funny business going on, especially if an area is losing population.The same services are still needed with fewer people to pay for them...or drastic cuts in services have to happen...and absentee landlords, of which I understand there are a number of large landowners, aren't going to care like residents do.
That has absolutely nothing to do with raising property taxes just because they want to, just because they want to build a Taj Mahal and a professional sports arena for perhaps 20 or 30 children. Because really it is not for the children, it is for a few egotistical people in my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Why is he still hung up on the first EK meeting? After all this time who cares how a meeting was meant to be run, except Ross?
Why do you care it is in the past? But I will respond and thanks for asking.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
rewinding a very old clock and revisiting things that don't matter.
Perhaps that meeting was the catalyst to today's problems?
But actually it was maybe the 3, 4 or 5th meeting.
Perhaps because of all the socialist attitude of the meeting.
Ever heard of Saul Alinsky Diane?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AMThere was nothing unusual about the format, it just didn't suit him. No, he didn't have the "right" to address the group. I've never understood what that was all about. He has never gotten over the fact that he was refused.
I thought you said the past did not matter. I guess you meant it only matters if you in your liberal ways brings it up then it matters.
I am full well aware that you do not understand or comprehend what that was all about even though it has been explained to you numerous times. There was plenty unusual about it.
1. It was billed as a community conversation --- it didn't happen! It was not a normal community meeting. - Why?
2. You had to sign in --- and they later they claimed you were now a member of the organization.
3. You had to have a little kindergarten star on your nametag and anyone showing up with you was required-- to wear the same color kindergarten star.
4. You were told you had to sit in circles of chairs.
5. Once seated you were told you could not sit in the same circle with your spouse or friend or neighbor. This was the purpose of the colored kindergarten stars no people with the same colored kindergarten star could occupy the same circle of chairs. What a circus it was.
6. The man running the circus was not even a citizen of Elk County. He came from way over west, a town called Leoti in Washington County. He in no way represented our county in any way.
7. People that chose to stand were accosted by the man from Liota, who attempted to coerce them to the circle of chairs.
8. A number of people left the so-called Community Conversation because they did not appreciate all the controlling factors. This alone was unusual for any kind of a Community Conversation.
9. These are the tools of Socialist Saul Alinsky.
10. The other Saul Alinsky tool is to disallow anyone that comes forward to speak and to call the cops to escort them out as if a criminal.
Well Diane I was not escorted out because our sheriff's deputies were outside busy visiting. I politely turned to the crowd and politely said I thought it was suppose to be a community conversation. But as you stated Diane it was not, your refered to it as an
Elk Konnected meeting and that is what it was. Why else would someone say that by signing the paper, upon entering, made you a member of the organization?
No, Diane there was nothing unusual at all about the meeting if you are deaf and dumb.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Back to the garden..we're going out for soft shell crabs later, since Al is feeling much better today.
Have fun Diane.Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
If Ross allows himself to be annoyed by my postings, he can put me on ignore... no more problem. :angel:
Oh I'm not annoyed. I thoroughly enjoy by your postings, they are very entertaining. I find no problem with your posts.
And by the way you have no voting rights in Elk County and I do.
So do the citizens I reach out too! They matter very much, don't you see.
And the state allows for citizens of the county, to petition and sign petitions to block actions by elected officials. I believe the school board would disallow it, if they had that power to do so. But they don't.
I have done a hours of studying in order to construct, what I hope is an acceptable petition to take to the County Attorney.
As always it has been a real pleasure to respond to your misconceptions.
Bye-Bye Diane have a fine evening will ya.
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 31, 2015, 09:51:30 AM
Well said Diane, I am sure the large majority agrees with you.
Wait until you have read the
BETTER said response.
Pleease hold the applause.
LOL I'm just funnin'
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 31, 2015, 09:52:48 AM
Well said Proelkco, I am sure the large majority agrees with you.
Oh my, what did he say?
What did he say?
LOL
I'm through playing today, see you kiddies tomorrow.
Good night!
I went back in this thread about 7-8 pages to try and catch up on whats going on. Its impossible. I can't believe you all spend so much time bickering over nothing. I don't even know what the hell you guys are arguing over.
Quote from: Anmar on July 31, 2015, 03:18:05 PM
I went back in this thread about 7-8 pages to try and catch up on whats going on. Its impossible. I can't believe you all spend so much time bickering over nothing. I don't even know what the hell you guys are arguing over.
For me Anmar I'm just playing with the
Elk Konnected Followers it really isn't anything personal.
Just one big joke.
I try to provide information for Elk County residences and some people that live outside the county can't handle the truth. And they are really taking it personal. Silly of them isn't it.
Have a good night Anmar.
Anmar, I agree, it is nothing. But there are some who are still upset about his attitude, apparent disrespect and how he has rewritten some of the history of the early EK events in question. He has a personal problem with one of them that he is still stuck on. He just isn't able to get past it and move on. What is that all about?
There are people who were there at that first EK meeting who know what happened and still wonder why he did and still does keep fussing about it.
He still picks apart posts line by line and even takes issue with individual words posters' use. Why? A substantive difference might be worth debate, but individual words?
He keeps pushing that I don't pay taxes out there. So what. That is true, but I believe in such a thing as ''In lieu of taxes." I have supported quite a few things over the years that I don't talk about because I'd be accused of bragging, one that just happened last week. Not huge amounts, but enough to make a difference. Since my family (on one side) happily lived there and go back a long way, it is my pleasure to do things in their honor.
I do still have some family there, and they remain unknown to him, which I hopes bugs him...HA! They aren't on the forum.
I wouldn't have gotten back into this except I found out my name had been tossed in again. I hope to not say anymore about it, but I resent him calling me a liar when I am not, not that there are many left who would care one way or another. I do get PMs from some friends who care about me, so information does reach me.Hope you are having a great day.
!Quote from Bullwinkle :
When I read about someone's BIG X marine, it brings to mind the movie, " Full Metal Jacket" , and the private "Gomer Pyle" . Sorry , Jar, but you know they all don't deserve to belong in your beloved corps. A Marine would never provoke a fight, just end it.
Bull, I respectfully disagree about a Marine not provoking a fight, but hell, we were all young once and full of piss and vinegar. ;)
I don't know the story as to why Joesue's husband in an ex-Marine but I do know most people try to keep that hush, hush.Upon graduating boot camp you earn the title of being a Marine and the right to wear the EA&G and you are a Marine until you die---then you become a dead Marine. An Ex-Marine is one who WAS a Marine but got a bad discharge and those few are known as ex-Marines . Hope that clears that up.
You seem to be a wise old bull so could you tell me why people have to have some fancy do-dad to block what Ross or Red posts ?I know nothing about common core so when Ross posts about it I just don't read it---I don't need my computer to block it---or when he gets repetitive---or as I say "beats a dead horse—over and over"--- I don't finish reading that post . So simple to do.
While I have your ear, have you also noticed the hypocrisy ? Joesue can't seem to post, without calling Ross an idiot or liar and openly threating him but where is the scolding from Proelk or Diane or anyone from the liberal crowd ? Guess silence is golden !!!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
Anmar, I agree, it is nothing. But there are some who are still upset about his attitude, apparent disrespect and how he has rewritten some of the history of the early EK events in question. He has a personal problem with one of them that he is still stuck on. He just isn't able to get past it and move on. What is that all about?
You too as well keep bringing up the past, but continue to say it is unimportant. But by bring up the past you contradict yourself. My attitude and perceived disrespect towards you people that do not live here and resorted to name calling and threats through out this thread is not perceived it is real. And it is well deserved. You have no first hand knowledge and therefore really have nothing to say intellectually.
Who is upset Diane? Name them.
Are those the people that are a figment of your imagination?
Some people have tried to set you straight on you behavior, right here on this thread. But your understanding and comprehension fails you terribly, doesn't it?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
There are people who were there at that first EK meeting who know what happened and still wonder why he did and still does keep fussing about it.
It was not the first Elk Konnected meeting, but many, many meetings later. See you don;t have first hand knowledge.
But shat people are you talking about? Why have they failed to speak up?
Oh, once again the people that are a figment of your imagination right?
They can't speak up for the reason stated above or Because, I have done nothing but speak the truth, that's why.
You sure weren't here and you have no idea what actually went on. And no one has denied any of what I have said.
Nobody.. It was a total Saul Alinsky event with nothing but total physical and mental control. And you can not deny it, because you were not there.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
He still picks apart posts line by line and even takes issue with individual words posters' use. Why? A substantive difference might be worth debate, but individual words?
I don't want to miss anything,
As you said:Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Some of his good ideas may be missed because they are buried in rewinding a very old clock and revisiting things that don't matter.
This method helps keep things nice and solid, doesn't it.
And as far as picking words a part try this one of yours.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 31, 2015, 08:39:44 AM
Loyal opposition is a good thing, but he needs to accept that people are allowed to disagree with him.
Really how do loyal and opposition even really fit together, unless a person is a liberal?
Is this what you fell about me, loyal opposition?
You really do have a compression problem and probably incapable of responding in like fashion hence calling it tearing your post all apart as if it is something terrible is happening. Individual words can make a great deal of difference in a sentence and as a use to be teacher, you should know that. I don't believe, I have picked on any individual word,
if I have would you please post a quote of it. Thanks in acvance.
I have explained this before.
I do this for clarity in communicating.
There is nothing sinister about it.
I respond to each section and quote it so there is no misunderstanding for anyone reading it.
And it keeps me straight as well. I don't want to miss any of your important information.
I just don't understand what you find sinister about it.
I assume it's a liberal type thinking and you would rather things were muddled and unclear for possible denial at a later time.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
He keeps pushing that I don't pay taxes out there. So what. That is true,
So what? So What?
What concern is it of your haow we deal with the taxation problem here?
That's so what?
So why knock what you have no first hand knowledge about? You are not in any affected by our elected officials gone crazy with taxation way like the Liberal Federal /Government. The same way many states have been going and driving themselves into so much debt they can make their payments. Only here the School Board has gone crazy and wasted tens of thousands of dollars that may be as much as $!00,000.00 that should have been used for student education. Does that make a lot of sense to you?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
but I believe in such a thing as ''In lieu of taxes." I have supported quite a few things over the years that I don't talk about because I'd be accused of bragging, one that just happened last week. Not huge amounts, but enough to make a difference. Since my family (on one side) happily lived there and go back a long way, it is my pleasure to do things in their honor.
You can believe in anything and that is fine. But that does not mean everyone else has to believe it to?
''In lieu of taxes." Usually means who ever receives the deal usually pays a small amount of taxes and that means someone else has to pay a greater share and that is usually other property owners. And I suppose that is fair to you.
Your argument the other day about the population declining and causing fewer people to pay more taxes does not change the amount of property that is being taxed and the mil rate is on the property not the person.
In other words the amount of taxes collected last year would be the same amount this year if the mil rate is not changed and 100 people moved out of the county. Sure whoever bouthg the land would also pay the taxes on it. But the amount collected does not change. Because people leave does not affect the overall amount of tax dollars does not change and over taxing the property is still over taxing the property. Whether it a simple empty lot or 7000 acres. Plain and simple.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
I do still have some family there, and they remain unknown to him, which I hopes bugs him...HA! They aren't on the forum.
I could care less if you have family here or not. You are not here to comprehend first hand what is taking place. You deal in hearsay and rumors. When I deal in rumors I say so and ask for verification from other local readers. Big difference by admitting hearsay and rumors than not stating so, isn't there?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 01, 2015, 07:53:30 AM
I wouldn't have gotten back into this except I found out my name had been tossed in again. I hope to not say anymore about it, but I resent him calling me a liar when I am not, not that there are many left who would care one way or another. I do get PMs from some friends who care about me, so information does reach me.Hope you are having a great day.
I do not believe I have ever called you a liar. If I have please post a quote of it.
You PM's are hearsay and or rumors it is not first hand knowledge.
And it proves nothing.
Oh I do have my petition finalized after a week of searching the internet and studying Kansas laws.
I intend to take it to the County Attorney Monday morning for approval, and should be able to begin collecting signatures in about a week. I only need 145 signatures but I am planning on a minimum of 200 signatures. I don't for see having any problem acquiring 200. Citizens of the West Elk School District are fed up with the taxation attitude. I have spoke with many people and they can hardly wait to sign. It should be another wake up call to the elected officials of the School Board to listen to their citizens. The first two wake up calls failed to register with them. My hope is that this one will register with them.
I have been accused, by your friends at
Elk Konnected of not volunteering.
Because, I don't volunteer for them.
But you see Diane, I am volunteering to help all the property owners here in the West Elk school district without being told to.
Does
Elk Konnected volunteer to help the property owners?
Have they ever helped the property owners? NO!
Have any of your relatives offered to help out the property owners?
Personally I'd rather not be doing all this, I really don't care for the attention or all the time involved.
But I am a concerned citizen with a responsibility, so I have no alternative.
Diane you should try to get over yourself and all the attention you crave.
I hope you have an enjoyable evening.
And please do post those quotes, I asked politely for.
I forgot to mention that with the wind farm operating under in lieu of taxes the West Elk School District collects no property tax from them.
But if they were to pay property taxes like all other business in Elk County it would be quite a handsome amount for the West Elk School District wouldn't it?
And possibly even more tax for the county as a whole. Which could lower property taxes for everyone in Elk County.
So paying in lieu is not such a great thing is it?
Just a thought.
Jar, I think I missed something.Who am I supposed to scold about what?
Boy, Jarhead you ever heard of such denseness, such lack of comprehension?
I am simply amazed and flabbergasted. Wow!
Jar, from your post it's hard to tell whether you expect me to scold Pro and Joe, or Ross. Reread it yourself and you'll see what I mean it. Isn't very clear.
I could make an assumption, but you didn't offer me enough money to swat anyone without being sure who the target is.Thanks for the offer though, I can always use extra money. :angel: ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And snap went the trap. Now I can laugh at who fell for it. HA! Gotta have some fun around here...getting too angry.Time to back off...and no, I won't respond to you know who. I have people to do that for me, what few are left. The ones who know, won't respond because they are gone. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Time to take out the short cake, shuck the corn and slice the toms.
Diane,
I have no idea what you are talking about---me offering you money to swat someone. Maybe you have been watching some movie involving whips & chains and leather dog collars and getting it and the forum intertwined someway.
If you didn't understand who I was talking about in my reply #6520 that's OK---wasn't real important anyway.
Of course you don't.You weren't supposed to. 8)
Too many people are bashing too many people and it does need to stop.
I'm just having some fun. I figure if we get the issues all tangled up, people will give up and move along to something that makes more sense than "he said she said" and a lot of useless bashing...nothing changes otherwise.
Ross, and others. I think credibility is important. If I wanted people to take me seriously, I wouldn't spend time here on the forums just arguing to intentionally annoy people.
Quote from: Anmar on August 02, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
Ross, and others. I think credibility is important. If I wanted people to take me seriously, I wouldn't spend time here on the forums just arguing to intentionally annoy people.
I think a little humor is good for the circumstances.
I thin it's rather funny that Diane could not comprehend a simple question from Jarhead and tried to cover it up later with the trap is set.I think it is the funniest and corniest cover-up attempt I have ever read on this thread.
I have had a great deal of pleasure reading the liberals posts and responding.
Where is the bad inpleasure?
As far as credibility all I ask is that people think for themselves and to talk with their friends about the subject matter. I don't ask that they believe anything I post.
I might ask that they attend School Board Meetings or Elk County Commissioners Meetings but that is the extent of it.
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How can that be?
Wasn't it the U S military which changed this country in 1865 with its Republican victory over the Constitution? Obama talks about changing this country but the Republicans already did that in 1865.
So what's next for the U S military?
So okay, it seems I may have left the School Board meeting a little early from what I have heard !
Before I go on, I have to remind you what the President of the Board said, that instead of taking the full 8 mil property tax increase take only 5 mil, because he wanted a buffer.
Well, I don't believe that because at a board meeting a few months back after the Bond Issue was voted down he angrily said, I don't care how mad the voters get? And I do believe, he doesn't care about the property owners, the taxpayers or the voters, or how much he hurts them, That's my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Well, I was informed by a reliable source that the board further discussed the 8 mil property tax increase and supposedly voted to only take 1 mil. Call it a rumor if you wish. But fact is there is still a Resolution for 8 mil.
Now pardon me, but I think that the 1 mil is just a ruse.
Why?
Because you do not need a legally posted Resolution for a 1 mil property tax increase.
And that is backed up by the fact that they increased our property taxes and sucked up the property tax break that the County Board gave us.
And they can still take the full 8 mil if the Resolution goes uncontested.
Now, why a 1 mil property tax increase, that is the question ?
Since I wasn't there and even though I consider it from a reliable source, the 1 mil is because they are I was told they are $1100 in the red.
Whoa, don't these folks understand a budget?
A budget board members means you don't go in the red?
It means you control your spending?
Was crowning the football field a necessity of such a nature to go in the red?
Was paying nearly $30K versus $7K a wise move for that crowning?
Was the expense of an Automatic Sprinkler System worth breaking the Budget?
I don't think so !
I think the School Board needs to wise up about their spending habits.
Why petition to oppose and stop the 8 mil Resolution?
Because one the President of the Board basically said they don't need it
And because, if it isn't blocked they can legally take the 8 mil tax increase any way if un-opposed.
Also the petition would send yet another message to the School Board that is either ignorant of the two previous messages or just don't care !
I am still working on the Opposition Petition to block the above mentioned Resolution.
I'm not a lawyer and I can't afford a lawyer so I have been studying to put it together, wish me luck, please.
One closing question ! Why has yet another board member resigned? He was just re-elected and his term had not even started? WHY? I may delve into that later!
Diane all the above is my thoughts and opinions and I don't ask you or anyone else to believe a word of it. You may if you choose to, or you any totally ignore it. That is your right Diane and I respect that. But remember this information is only concerning Elk County, Kansas voters, property owners and property owner taxpayers, not the state of Delaware or Montgomery County, Kansas.
Does the School Board really need an 8 mill property tax hike ?
You decide !
If they re in fact $1100,00 in the red and they have an increase in State funding exceeding that amount do they really need an 8 mill property tax increase? Or are they jus being greedy?
I posted this not long back, Please check the numbers for yourself.
Quote from: ROSS on April 13, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
The West Elk Superintendent voiced his concern several times last year at board meetings that the school funding might be cut. Well I found this information on line and perhaps it may help ease his concerns.
State Aid excluding KPERS, Special Education and Bond & Interest Aid*
USD # County District Name 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2014-17 Change
282 Elk West Elk 2,658,989 2,915,014 2,925,185 2,946,507 10.8%
283 Elk Elk Valley 1,481,895 1,534,974 1,540,678 1,552,638 4.8%
Source: Kansas Dept. of Education. Per KSDE, a few smaller aid programs are also not included such as juvenile detention facilities, parents as teachers, pre-K pilot and school food service.
I hope this information is useful to everyone.
I see an increase of $10,171 increase in funding over last year
that should take care of their $1100.00 in the red easily.
The citizens in the following news story
have not stood up for their rights
as concerned citizens
and
look where it lead them !
Will we continue to sit on our laurals
and sit and wait until it hurts?
And wait until it's to late?
Read what happens when citizens ignore what their elected officials are doing.
(My added notes.)
2 ILLEGAL ALIENS
APPOINTED TO PUBLIC OFFICE
IN HUNTINGTON PARK
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by WILLIAM BIGELOW 4 Aug 2015
Two illegal aliens were appointed to city commissions in Huntington Park on Monday.
Julian Zatarain, 21, who emigrated from Sinaloa in 2007, was appointed to the Huntington Park parks and recreation commission, while Francisco Medina, 29, was appointed to the health and education commission. Zatarain had worked with the Red Cross before his appointment.
The area in which the men live has become a haven for illegal immigrants, and noted for the communities' lack of interest in the civic process. According to the Los Angeles Times, voter turnout has dropped below 10% in some elections; one election in Bell saw only 2% of eligible voters casting a ballot while another election in South Gate only elicited 3% of voters to vote.
50% of Huntington Park's population comes from outside the United States; over 97% of the population is Latino, according to Southern California Public Radio. Huntington Park Mayor Karina Macias told the Times, "Our population includes documented and undocumented immigrants, and I wanted to make sure everyone could participate. If we're going to talk about transparency, being open and having a community that's involved, then the conversation also has to include undocumented immigrants. I'm hoping other cities are looking at what we're doing here."
I say no, illegal is illegal. If they break one law what is to stop them from breaking other laws less serious?Jhonny Pineda, the Huntington Park councilman who appointed the two men, added, "These two gentlemen have thousands of hours of volunteer work. They are qualified but it just turns out they are undocumented."
It just turns out they are illegal, they are lwa breakers and even less qualified than proper citizens.But Linda Caraballo, a former councilwoman in Huntington Park, opposed the appointments, telling the Times, "There are more qualified people. How could they be policy advisors if they can't even vote for the council members? This is just going to bring media attention, it's going to create national debate and it is something the city of Huntington Park doesn't need."
Macias said city officials began considering appointing illegal immigrants two months ago, when applications became available; state law does not ban the practice.
Does state law recognize them as criminals, doesn't illegal mean criminal?http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/04/2-illegal-aliens-appointed-to-public-office-in-huntington-park/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social
Dr. David Whetstone West Elk USD282 School Board member at large ran for re-election, gets re-elected, then resigns before his re-election time even gets started. What's with that?
What kind of leadership do we have in this County?
What have we had? Isn't it about 3 or 4 School Board members just up and resign, just walk away,
just quit ?
I had a person tell me Whetstone up and quit everything ---- quit everything?
That made me wonder, so I checked Elk Konneced's web sight and he is still listed as Community Contact Dr. David Whetstone (316) 708-0296 and as a member of their Steering Committee so I guess he hasn't quit everything. But thatl makes me wonder about Elk Konneced's Steering Committee. Why? Well I'm curious about Jennifer Montgomery still being listed as a Steering Committee member because I understood she moved out of the County. Does anyone know fi these two people are still active withElk Konneced ? Heck is Elk Konneced still active?
And that brings to mind the fact that we had 3 or 4 employees of the West Elk USD-282 quite under strange circumstances and lots of County rumors. Oh well, so much for intelligent leadership.
Why does the County keep electing people that are afraid to ask the hard questions and doing the right things by the voters and taxpayers?
Hard questions like what are budgets for?
And should we live with-in our means?
Why do we need a Taj Mahal of a School?
Why do we need a professional Football field at great expense, Such a great expense as to bust the budget? Why can't we be sensible?
I'd like to ask with these community organizations in Elk County, Elk Konnected and Elk County Community Foundation (ECCF) where is their Leadership abilities to influence the School Board to be reasonable and stop overtaxing the property owners?
Do they really care about the Elk County community?
Oh, wait a minute they have the same leadership don't they?
They may have members on the School Board, huh ?
They have to be aware, the higher the taxes go the more population they lose, the more population they loose abn the more students they lose. Also the more customers the businesses lose doing damage to The Elk County Economy. Also the raising of taxes makes running a business much more difficult to run, with out losing customers.
So, what is it the Leadership of Elk County is really trying to do.
Remember a year or two ago they were trying to set up a program to allow certain people to have property tax breaks, for making improvements to their properties? I thought that was totally wrong running a program in the country that was designed for major cities. I believed then and I believe now it was mainly for those who came up with the idea, probably, because they had major property repairs coming up that they would have had to have done anyway and get a taxbreak for 5 years. Isn't that a possibility? What a way that would be to treat yourself, huh?
It all sounds a lot like the Federal Government to me, what do you think?
Yes, you should question everything and even question what I post.
That is a part of being a concerned citizen in my opinion.
It's time to take a stand as voters and property taxpayers, isn't it?
Time to make some changes, don't you think ?
When it comes voting time get your friend or relative, you know the average working man, the everyday woman, the down to earth people to run. They could do a better job of communicating with each other and a better job of asking the questions to get the job done right and most assuradly better.
I truly believe it would be a boon to Elk County.
I sure am sorry Mr. Bellar left the School Board because he appeared to be the only one with any common sense.
Just some of my thoughts and opinions and questions of my own.
Just trying to stir up some ideas for the betterment of Elk County.
I'm not sitting up a circle of chairs to coerce anyone to sit in.
I forgot to tell you I am waiting for the County Attorney to approve my petition.
He has been busy with a court trial of some kind. Keeping my fingers crossed.
It's still a government board, a school board. What kind of Americans serve on those boards except those who wish to perpetuate the system called government schools as a part of the "community".
Another liberal will take his place. It's all for the good of the kids to indoctrinate them for socialism in the community and the world community.
Dogs bark and the convoy moves on.
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 05, 2015, 05:40:06 AM
It's still a government board, a school board. What kind of Americans serve on those boards except those who wish to perpetuate the system called government schools as a part of the "community".
Another liberal will take his place. It's all for the good of the kids to indoctrinate them for socialism in the community and the world community.
Dogs bark and the convoy moves on.
I would like to think we could improve the way the system works Redclif..
I'd bet that the people doing the job thought the same thing at one time, but got swept up in doing the same old thing that politics was doing before them.
That's why I liked Mr. Bellar on the school board, he was interested in doing the right things and had lots of common sense.
Mr. Bellar was instrumental in getting one School Superintendent removed and that was a major improvement in my oinion.
The major problem for him was that one man can not work by himself.
He lacked the support ofothers with common sense.
We are stuck with the system and we need to improve it !
I know what you're saying, but the government schools by their very nature are socialist. I don't see how anything can improve the government schools.
In the first place, we shouldn't be paying taxes to schools. Schools have government power to force you to pay them to indoctrinate your kids. Is it any wonder that every year they want more money and they willfully take it from you by force? That system has been in place since the War For Southern Independence to expand socialist doctrine. Nothing patriotic about the schools, they're government controlled to control you and your kids.
Well I've got some good news for all you property owners that pay prperty tax for West Elk USD-282.
I have my petition all wrote up after several weeks of studying Kansas Laws and reading the Attorney Generals opinions on and opposition petition to force the school to take their 8 mil tax increase to the voters.
This opposition petition is in response to their 8 mil resolution in the local news paper which aloows them to automatically raise your property taxes.
In my opinion the school board has two things on their mind building a professional sports complex and raising your property taxes. They don't care about a budget and spend 10's of thousands of dollars very foolishly.
They have simply been throwing your money away. And as the School Board President stated angrily at a board meeting, he doesn't care how mad the voters get.
So any way they found this way of going around you the voter, this thing called a Resolution.
Do you want to let them to skirt your vote?
Well this petition can stop that action and force them to treat you as if you really count, that you are just as important as they think they are.
Remember the property tax break our County Government gave us?
Did you see it on your taxes?
I didn't, in fact my property taxes went up a little.
Do you wonder why?
Well, West Elk School Board jumped right on it and sucked it right up.
Wasn't that sweet of them?
If the County stops that tax break do yu think the West Elk School Board will return the tax to you?
I know they won't!
They have a real problem and I call it greed!
Our Federal Government has a wasteful spending problem and they simply keep
Raising their Debt Ceiling.
Much like the West Elk School Board with ther wasteful spending problem, only the West Elk School Board just keep
Raising the Tax Ceiling.
The School Board has chosen to ignore every message the voters have sent them, let's send the one more.
I need your help, I'll take all the heat, but I need your signature on the petition.
I am pretty busy this week, but I will be out and about once in a while gathering signatures.
Next week, I plan to put forth a concentrated effort at collecting signatures. I only need 125 signatures but I want to provide more. I'd like to get 200 0r there abouts.
The School Board at their last board meeting said they were $1,100 in the red. That means they have no reguard for their budget.
With your support,
we as a community,
can do this.
We can slow down an out of control School Board.
I forgot to say only registered voters in the West Elk School District may sign the petition.
Please and Thank you.
Good job! Stay right in there and stay on 'em.
Why is West Elk School system on the Elk Konnected page?
Quote from: proelkco on August 19, 2015, 12:29:43 PM
Why is West Elk School system on the Elk Konnected page?
Perhaps if you read the thread you might discover the naswer to that question.
Perhaps you might discover the
Konnection to the school board!
Perhaps you might discover the
Konnection to the "Old Guard" !
that is nothing but bull or gossip or whatever you choose to call it
Quote from: proelkco on August 19, 2015, 05:37:03 PM
that is nothing but bull or gossip or whatever you choose to call it
Why are you in such denial?
Quote from: ROSS on August 19, 2015, 02:52:13 PM
Perhaps if you read the thread you might discover the naswer to that question.
Perhaps you might discover the Konnection to the school board!
Perhaps you might discover the Konnection to the "Old Guard" !
I tried to warn you.... Too much extra BS and people missed your message. Whatever truth was in your message is going to be lost because of your abrasive attitude towards others.
Quote from: Anmar on August 19, 2015, 11:03:09 PM
I tried to warn you.... Too much extra BS and people missed your message. Whatever truth was in your message is going to be lost because of your abrasive attitude towards others.
So you find truths to be BS and abrasive.
Well good for you.
I find your saying that as BS and being very abrasive.
My truths may not be politically correct but that is what is wrong with this country. Liberals think everything should be politically correct.
Even though I don't like Donald Trump I very much appreciate his wrecking the politically correct crowd. And if you haven't noticed the majority of people in the poles like it to.
But I noticed you did not find the following abrasive or politically incorrect.
Quote from: proelkco on August 19, 2015, 05:37:03 PM
that is nothing but bull or gossip or whatever you choose to call it
My messages are not expected to be appreciated by the
Elk Konnected elite, and their rudness is to be expected. And Anmar if you read the whole of this thread you would understand that. I received threats from that crowd at the very beginnings of this thread and very rude remarks, so for it to continue is no surprise.
Also they don't want the people to know they have rights and legal alternatives to having taxes shoved down their throats.
So if my blunt truthfulness offends thee, I do not apologize, and you are not required to read it
And one more very important is the fact that they want this thread to disappear, which may not happen for a very long time.
Yes, he is going for a Guinness Book of World Records entry. Ross, you keep saying you were "threatened." How? I have no memory of that. Would you post it please? I want to see it for myself.
Ross, I think you misunderstood what I'm trying to say.
I'll try this differently. You told me to read the whole thread to see what I missed. I know I missed something. What I'm saying is that your argument on the subject probably has at least some truth to it. I haven't read it, and neither have most other people. This thread is 650+ pages. Most of it is junk. Nobody is going to wade through so much useless information just to find truth.
That being said, either directly or indirectly, you participated in most of the junk being posted here. You buried your own message with a lot of irrelevant stuff. Nobody, including me, wants to read this long thread just to hear your message.
That doesn't mean your message is BS. There is probably some truth to it. Most people, including me, will never know what it is.
Actually, I just recently did read the whole thing as I had a long period of time to wait for something.That's why I posted some of his typical post numbers and dates. 6/1/11.4752 Ross at first EK meeting.( non cooperative, demanding special attention) and 6/15/11 (EK accused of fraud). 6/29...4451,4453,4454... more. No, I won't cut and paste all of it.Too long and boring and I would be accused of taking the juicy bits out of context if I don't post the whole thing.
It is very interesting and as always ,he does have some interesting points, but his attitudes and presentations hurt him.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 20, 2015, 07:12:22 AM
Yes, he is going for a Guinness Book of World Records entry. Ross, you keep saying you were "threatened." How? I have no memory of that. Would you post it please? I want to see it for myself.
As I have always said you xhould read for comprehension. Go back and re-read the thread.
Or perhaps your recall is failing like mine does sometimes with our old age problem. I know it ='s frustrating but i laugh at it.
Or perhapps it is selected memory, either way with all that college edumacation you can surely read the thread again.
So no, I will not accomodate you.
I have far more important things to do.
And your snide remark about a Guinness Book of World Records entry deserves the above snide remarks and then some.
Try to have a good day and happy reading.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 20, 2015, 08:44:07 AM
Actually, I just recently did read the whole thing as I had a long period of time to wait for something.That's why I posted some of his typical post numbers and dates. 6/1/11.4752 Ross at first EK meeting.( non cooperative, demanding special attention) and 6/15/11 (EK accused of fraud). 6/29...4451,4453,4454... more. No, I won't cut and paste all of it.Too long and boring and I would be accused of taking the juicy bits out of context if I don't post the whole thing.
It is very interesting and as always ,he does have some interesting points, but his attitudes and presentations hurt him.
Your personal opinion based on poor comprehension and fabricated stories are very much allowed but is plain bullshit.
Why?
Because you fail.
You fail at posting any quotes, such as I quoted you above.
And why is that?
Because you can not find anything to post to back uo what you say, that's why you fail.
That rates you a great big
F-.Enjoy your day.
Quote from: Anmar on August 20, 2015, 08:25:48 AM
Ross, I think you misunderstood what I'm trying to say.
I'll try this differently. You told me to read the whole thread to see what I missed. I know I missed something. What I'm saying is that your argument on the subject probably has at least some truth to it. I haven't read it, and neither have most other people. This thread is 650+ pages. Most of it is junk. Nobody is going to wade through so much useless information just to find truth.
That being said, either directly or indirectly, you participated in most of the junk being posted here. You buried your own message with a lot of irrelevant stuff. Nobody, including me, wants to read this long thread just to hear your message.
That doesn't mean your message is BS. There is probably some truth to it. Most people, including me, will never know what it is.
Thank you Anmar for the input. You are too entitled to your opinion, even though I disagree.
I believe the general public in Elk County is intelligent enough to understand the situation from page one and to distinguish what is important to them
It is the Elk Konnected Followers and defenders that do not appreciate the truth.
That is my opinion and I stand by it.
I have much more faith in the intellegence of the Elk County Citizen than you do, apparently.
I had a really good time yesterday collecting signatures on the opposition pettition.
Which I really didn't expect, people were thanking me for stopping at there house so they could sign.
One even said, "thank you for knocking at my door".
One man, who I happen to know a little bit, answered his door and said whatever you are selling I don't want any. I said I'm not selling -er- I am selling. He says what are you selling. I said politics. He started closing his door, then reopened it asked what politics? I started explaining and he said get in here. He started reading the petition and then yelled at his wife "get in here and sign this petition." And we all three had a good laugh and a good time.
Another man signed and then he wanted to sign for his wife and i said sorry she has to sign for herself. He said he had legall power of attorney to sign for her, I said I'm sorry I don;t know if that would be legal on this document and I'm not willing to risk it. I said I am sticking strictly to the law. And he was fine with that.
Oh, I did get an email for the attorney stating that my petition looked perfectly proper. Yea!
Okay, I'm old, pushing 70 ----- but I spoke with and recieved signatures from people 10 and 15 years my senior and I recieved words of praise and words of wisdom only that age group possesses. And I recieved some excellent advice on collecting bunches of signatures in one stop.
Yes, things are going pretty good for only spending a couple of hours collecting signatures.
I had one man drive about 8 miles into Moline from his farmand meet me at the Q-mart just to sign the petition.
This is hiw fed uo mthe people are with being abused financially by their elected officials.
This is how fed up the people are about the waste of taxpayer dollars.
The word is spreading about this petition and gathering signatures will probably get much easier.
This attempted end run around the voters by the West Elk USD 282 is being met with serious opposition by the voters.
I have better than 25% of the required signatures. With very little effort.
I had to come back and let Anmar know the messages have apparently been getting through loud and clear.
Thanks for the report. Good job. Stay right in there.
I did encounter two gentlemen who had recently moved here to moline with-in the last 3 to 6 months that were not registered voters. One man said he heading to Howard tomorrow (meaning today) to register and asked me to be sure to come back so he can sign the petition. The other man asked how to get registered as a voter and I graciously explained tio him where to goand what to take with him. And I was grateful to be able to do so.
And yes this is a new experience for me and I am enjoying talking with the people.
And Diane it is all without an organization. No organization telling me,
how to do it
or
when to do
or
why to do it.
Some people in this world are self motivated to do the right thing, plain and simple.
Does that answer your question Diane of why I don't have an organization?
You did ask me that way back near the begining of this thread.
An organization is not needed to bamboozle people into action,
bamboozleing people is not necessary if the cause is just and honest!
Quote from: redcliffsw on August 21, 2015, 06:12:17 AM
Thanks for the report. Good job. Stay right in there.
The everyday people of Elk County are terrific people!
Unlike the so called elite with their supposed hi falluting, money wasting ways.
Especially taxpayers money.
Ross, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but so am I. Those so called "elite" also pay taxes and feel they are entitled to input."Wasted " tax money is in the eye of the beholder.
Why was it necessary to stick it to me AGAIN? That question was asked and answered long ago. Stir that pot.
Entitlements? Entitled to take other peoples's money by and thru government to get your way. Sure you're entitled to your opinion whether it be socialistic or not. Wasted or not is one thing however it's not a good thing to steal from others by and thru government. That's democracy that government schools favor to teach and send the military overseas to defend and promote. Government schools are another government bureaucracy and you're their servant - a good and supportive servant that you are.
Do you every share an opinion without sarcastically smacking someone else in the process?? That does not make your position stronger, ya know?
So how do you propose to fund the things that most everybody benefits from? Or could if they chose to? Should every street, road and bridge have tolls as they did during colonial times? Should everyone willingly adopt a pot hole or ditch and pay for its maintenance? Should the food and drug administration be eliminated so snake oil and rotten food can be sold?
If something goes wrong, does one have to sue for everything? Would there be no protection from shysters and crooks? (Get yer thumb offa that there scale.) That could be as expensive as paying taxes and only the lawyers win. What about the other people I posted about? You never mentioned what was to become of them? Ya don't care?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2015, 08:52:56 AM
Do you every share an opinion without sarcastically smacking someone else in the process?? That does not make your position stronger, ya know?
So how do you propose to fund the things that most everybody benefits from? Or could if they chose to? Should every street, road and bridge have tolls as they did during colonial times? Should everyone willingly adopt a pot hole or ditch and pay for its maintenance? Should the food and drug administration be eliminated so snake oil and rotten food can be sold?
If something goes wrong, does one have to sue for everything? Would there be no protection from shysters and crooks? (Get yer thumb offa that there scale.) That could be as expensive as paying taxes and only the lawyers win. What about the other people I posted about? You never mentioned what was to become of them? Ya don't care?
Diane I simply and clearly answered your question from some time back why I don't need an organization. If you find that offensive you must be one of Obama's LIBERALS.
We were not discussing city nor county government. Try to comprehend and keep up.
And to mimic Anmar that it does not make my position stronger, is simply stupid.
Do believe your drama and other Elk Konnected followers drama is found very entertaining by the majority of readers of this thread and keeps them interested
Free entertainment Don't you see.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2015, 06:40:49 AM
Ross, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but so am I. Those so called "elite" also pay taxes and feel they are entitled to input."Wasted " tax money is in the eye of the beholder.
Why was it necessary to stick it to me AGAIN? That question was asked and answered long ago. Stir that pot.
Sorry it is not in the eye of the beholder or we could return it. It is no longer in the accounting books.
No Diane wasted money is wasted money!
Well I had a little time to get out and gather a few more signatures and it was an interesting hour.
One lady told me she was only taxed by the County and not by the School District so I took the time to explain that the School District was a seperate governing group from the County Government and that the School District did in fact do their own taxing. I also explained that both entities were listed on the same tax bill that is mailed to her. She was happy to sign the petition.
I did recieve one refusal and it was as if the thought of a petition scared them. I told them it was alright and that i respected their right not to sign.
I stopped by an acquaintances home at about 7:45 pm. I was not aware they went to bed that early and they answered thedoor in their pajama's. I appologized for disturbing them and they asked what I was up to. I explained and they were very pleased and signed the petition and thanked me for coming by.
Tomorrow, I hope to get a lot more time doing my door to door and gather more signatures.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2015, 08:52:56 AM
Do you every share an opinion without sarcastically smacking someone else in the process?? That does not make your position stronger, ya know?
I learned from the best on the forum I guess,. And that would be you Diane, of course. LOL
Although that was not the intent.
The devil made me do this.. ;) :D ;D :angel:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 21, 2015, 06:40:49 AM
Ross, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but so am I. Those so called "elite" also pay taxes and feel they are entitled to input."Wasted " tax money is in the eye of the beholder.
It's those so called elite that have been wasting the school kids money, insteadof putting it into the classroom. Why do you suppose they think they need to raise property taxes every year?
Why do you suppose they think they need to do an end play around the voters with a resolution to raise property taxes 8 mil?
Don't you reckon, that the school board might realize, because the taxpayers are feed up, they will vote it down, if brought to them?
Quote from: Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg226086#msg226086 date=1440160849
Why was it necessary to stick it to me AGAIN? That question was asked and answered long ago. Stir that pot.
/quote]
Does the truth hurt that much?
As always Diane it is my pleasure to accomodate you.
Nighty Night.
State Aid excluding KPERS, Special Education and Bond & Interest Aid*
USD # County School 2013-2014 2014-2015 2015-2016 2016-20117
272 Mitchell Waconda 2,442,998 2,352,579 2,361,492 2,380,179 -2.6%
273 Mitchell Beloit 4,968,457 5,226,442 5,237,019 5,276,454 6.2%
274 Logan Oakley 2,523,972 2,426,844 2,436,875 2,457,904 -2.6%
275 Logan Triplains 838,815 721,509 724,491 730,743 -12.9%
281 Graham Graham 2,514,255 2,532,178 2,494,835 2,514,854 0.0%
282 Elk West Elk 2,658,989 2,915,014 2,925,185 2,946,507 10.8%
283 Elk Elk Valley 1,481,895 1,534,974 1,540,678 1,552,638 4.8%
284 Chase Chase 2,500,692 2,521,492 2,531,895 2,553,705 2.1%
285 Chautauqua Cedar Vale 1,604,864 1,603,170 1,609,043 1,621,357 1.0%
Apparently I am not showing the Chart for the Entire State for obvious reasons.
The purpose is to show only that West Elk USD-282 is scheduled to receive 10.8% increase in state aid.
Where as Elk Valley USD-283 is only scheduled to receive a 4.8% increase in state aid.
This part of the chart shows some schools that will experience a loss in state aid.
I have heard the argument that schools need money to operate.
This type of argument leaves out the fact the school it's self does not deal in operating cost but in teaching children.
It is the elected officials of the District School Boards that requires money to operate the school.
It is those elected officials that are responsible to the voters and property owners that they keep raising the property taxes on.
It is those elected officials that are responsible for the waste of taxpayer money and not getting the money into the class rooms for the children where it belongs.
It was claimed that the School District saved lots and lots of money shutting down the grade schools they could not afford to keep open. Where is all that saved money?
Why does the West Elk School Board insist on raising our property taxes every year?
Why does West Elk School Board continually waste money?
This chart above shows a 10.8% increase in State Aid over the next three years, they know this, but yet they choose and use and end run around you the taxpayer and voter to raise your property tax by 8 mil.
These are the people who are suppose to be working for you, so you can provide an Education for you children in a satisfactory manner.
Yes, you provide for your child's education by paying property taxes. Unlike Obama saying K-12 is free school, it is anything but free. You vote to put people on the School Board as your employees to handle the finances of the school on your behalf. Contrary to what they think isn't it?
Would you waste your money paying someone nearly $30,000.00 dollars to an outside company to do the job you had already contracted verbally a local business $7,000.00 to do the exact same thing. And bust your budget in doing so, which puts you in the red? Would that be a wise move on your part.
That's what the West Elk School Board did.
I have a serious personal problem to attend to so I am forced to stop this post short of where I want to go.
My Sincerest apolgizes.
Ross
My word Ross, do you honestly think I never post to anyone but you? My #6561 was a reply to Red, not you. My reply to HIM followed his post. You and your position was NOT the subject.
Red, be careful, he's trying to take over and minimize you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2015, 07:18:30 AM
My word Ross, do you honestly think I never post to anyone but you? My #6561 was a reply to Red, not you. My reply to HIM followed his post. You and your position was NOT the subject.
Red, be careful, he's trying to take over and minimize you. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
ROTFLMAO
Your post was at the top of the next page, which did not clarify who you were talking to.
But that's okay.
I had to bring my wife to the emergency room at. Jane Phillips Hospital. Her pancreas attack has turned severe. She is down getting a cat scan right now. So I have a few minutes on my kindle.
My wife always comes first over everything, so I may not be able to gather any signatures for the opposition pettition today.
Diane a question for you, if you please, before taxes were developed how did the federal government get their money to operate on?
This is an open book or open internet/google one question quiz.
I will definitely be interested in your answer.
THANK YOU !
Of course your wife comes first. That goes without saying.Hope everything turns out Ok.
As far as your question, easy, I had that back in Civics in 9th grade and I still remember...don't know why. We had import taxes called tariffs. The Gov't was much smaller then, as was the country.
Well I got my wife all fixed up and back home so all is well for the time being.
So I had time to go out and gather a few signatures.
I met an elderly gentleman who was on the School board back in the 1990's and he didn't have much good to say about the experience. In fact he had nothing good to say about it and the outside forces working against the school board members. He was very happy to sign the petition. And thanked me for allowing him the opportunity to do so.
A few more people down the road and I encountered my first bad experience.
I was talking to a couple of men that were working on a truck, and I explained the School Board resolution for an 8 mil tax increase, and how it allows for an opposition petitio, and that the petition would force the school board to come to the voters for approval. One man said he did not live in this school district and I said thank you anyway. Then the third man said his wife is on the school board and he became very irate. So, I politely said I am sorry to have bothered you, and was leaving when he yelled at me that any money for his kids education was fine with him. This totally explained his narrow minded thinking and lack of knowledge about where the tax dollars have gone! He apparently believes voters have no rights and that his wife being on the School Board affords her super powers. No, I did not say any of that to the man, only right here to you.
I did comment as I stepped into my truck that, money wasted and thrown away, does not go towards his children's education. But, I doubt he comprehends that. I have never seen him at any school board meetings. So what does he know about what happens there or where the money goes?
Why else would a person become so angry, except for the fact that they don't have a clue and only attempt to physically bully as the only thing they know?
Those three signatures would not have meant that much any way. Those three signatures would only have amounted to 4/10 of a percent of the required needed signatures. Actually even less because on man said he didn't live here. So no real loss.
I still have plenty of time to acquire the other 60% od signatures.
So I will continue to work at it next week. I don't believe I should bother anyone on Sunday.
Ya'all have a great weekend.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 22, 2015, 11:42:45 AM
Of course your wife comes first. That goes without saying.Hope everything turns out Ok.
As far as your question, easy, I had that back in Civics in 9th grade and I still remember...don't know why. We had import taxes called tariffs. The Gov't was much smaller then, as was the country.
Very good, in fact excellent.
Wouldn;t it be nice to scale badk our federal government to a smaller scale once again.
Perhaos not that much. But instead of the Federal government taxing everyone so as to be able to control the money. Leave the money in their respective states and to the states to tax to repair their foads and such,
And stop giving billions away to governments of other countries.
Wouldn;t it be nice to ahve a small enough federal government so the reponsible people could be held accountable for their actions. Such as losing 6 billion dollars the State Department lost? And perhaps to have a balanced budget? And to show more respect for the money they have available?
Just some thoughts and wishful thinking.
Glad to hear your wife is OK now.
How many signatures have you gotten so far?
You even have a mechanism for having a referendum? It would be expensive to run if you could, but less costly than here. You still won't be able to control how the money would be spent, there would just be less of it.
Our last two referendums failed.
So far 65 classroom teachers and a bunch of programs,have been cut, but no administrators that I know of. Classes in a number of schools will be much larger.
As far as Gov't is concerned,I'd like to see a lot of foreign aid cut and some programs cut even more. We don't need subsides or "commodities'' either, but a lot of seniors would miss them. We are so much dependent now on trade agreements and such it, would be hard to just suddenly cut out a lot we are used to.
The tax structure could use overhauling, but it can't go back to what it first was. The numbers from then wouldn't work now. Even the working poor make more than they did when income taxes were first started. It's a very complicated thing.
I don't think never ending wars are the solution for anything either...huge expense with very little payback.
I need to go pick veggies again.
Yes, you do want us to keep the mindset that it's very complicated to keep America right.
To heck with individual liberty, keep tax 'em some more so that the tyrants can have more control over the people and the lands.
Red, are you just wasting the many liberties you have?
Let's see now, if all the federal responsibilities were dumped on the states right now, the states would go bankrupt before they could ever figure out what programs to ditch and which to save, what land to keep and preserve and what to sell off.
We just had a very small sample of that here.The county is trying to save money, so it dumped a park on the City Of Wilmington. They have no $ for up keep either, so I'm afraid it will be lost. Politics at its worst.
Not everyone lives or wants to live in a shack in some primitive little back water, or live in the deep forest of Alaska and try to live off the land and be self sufficient.
You can blame your own families for some of the problems. All families want to their children to be better educated, and have more than they did. They worked hard to provide, but many were also willing to take Gov't help too.
Nobody wants to go back to the days of Diphtheria,Typhoid,raging Polio and all the other diseases that killed back in the day either. It was a group effort, and in some cases Gov't grants, that made the creation of the cures, and vaccines possible, and got them out to everyone.
Do you understand that that is why the people live so much longer now because of that? Combining forces works better and is cheaper in so many cases. That doesn't mean that individual rights are lost in the process.
Of course things could be better. Certain kinds of people will always prey on others.
Come out into the light and see the good stuff!
You do understand that Gov't isn't a thing? It's people from each state trying to do for their own constituents and get their share of the pie. Some are really creepy, but the people elected them! Do you ever contact your elected officials and lay out your concerns for them, or do you have lots of excuses not to. I'll bet I can answer that question!
Would you just look at this.
The wealthy, overly educated elite are being in D.C. are being referred to as:Quote from: ROSS on August 25, 2015, 06:13:46 AM
The D.C. Idiocracy:
Remember The Really Dumb Kids In School?
They're Now In Charge Of Your Life
John Hawkins | Aug 25, 2015
So you see it is not just happening here, it's gotta be like an illness that has spread across the country, don't you think?
Apparently having money and college degree and the status of elitism don't make you smart!
And the use of the word leadership is so widely used and abused it is worthless too!
I mean do you really believe in Obama's leadership? He appears to doubt his own leadership in my opinion.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 24, 2015, 08:55:22 AM
Red, are you just wasting the many liberties you have?
Let's see now, if all the federal responsibilities were dumped on the states right now, the states would go bankrupt before they could ever figure out what programs to ditch and which to save, what land to keep and preserve and what to sell off.
We just had a very small sample of that here.The county is trying to save money, so it dumped a park on the City Of Wilmington. They have no $ for up keep either, so I'm afraid it will be lost. Politics at its worst.
Not everyone lives or wants to live in a shack in some primitive little back water, or live in the deep forest of Alaska and try to live off the land and be self sufficient.
You can blame your own families for some of the problems. All families want to their children to be better educated, and have more than they did. They worked hard to provide, but many were also willing to take Gov't help too.
Nobody wants to go back to the days of Diphtheria,Typhoid,raging Polio and all the other diseases that killed back in the day either. It was a group effort, and in some cases Gov't grants, that made the creation of the cures, and vaccines possible, and got them out to everyone.
Do you understand that that is why the people live so much longer now because of that? Combining forces works better and is cheaper in so many cases. That doesn't mean that individual rights are lost in the process.
Of course things could be better. Certain kinds of people will always prey on others.
Come out into the light and see the good stuff!
You do understand that Gov't isn't a thing? It's people from each state trying to do for their own constituents and get their share of the pie. Some are really creepy, but the people elected them! Do you ever contact your elected officials and lay out your concerns for them, or do you have lots of excuses not to. I'll bet I can answer that question!
You don't know any other way except by and thru the government. Our elected people ought to be standing for American liberty, not democracy - democractic socialism. It's no wonder that you took a liking to the Elk Konnected group. They're you're kind. People know their people.
You (plural)elected them...live with it.
Hello Elk Konnected,
Are you out there somewhere ? The last post on your facebook page was June 30, 2014 !
I can not seem to find what you are accomplishing towards the Quality of Life in Elk County, that you tout on your web sight. I can't find anythig about what you are doing in Elk County period, and frankly I'm baffeled.
So, I called the contact person for Elk Konnected listed on your page at:
http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-steering-committee/
I left him a message and my phone number, but I have not recieved a response.
Did the Elk Konnected Community Contact Dr. David Whetstone (316) 708-0296 quit Elk Konnected when he quit the West Elk School Board?
If he has, does Elk Konnected have a new Community Contact?
Elk Konnected Community Contact where are you ?
I'm just wondering what is happening !
Well, it's time for me to get busy on my opposition petition doing something for the Quality of Life in Elk County West Elk School District.
Yep gotta get out there and gather more signatures in order to cause West Elk School Board to come to the voters to hike our property taxes by 8 mil automatically by Resolution. The Resolution is simply a way of skirting the voters and property owners. i believe they did the resolution simply because they know the voters will say no !
So anyway, it is time for me to get busy as an individual that cares about all the people and concerned about them being over taxed.
I am half way to the required number of voters required, it is slow going, but good.
I think your Elk Konnected group is staying out of sight for now. They'll return sooner of later or be replaced by another socialist group. They're everywhere.
Just a little up date on the Opposition Petition.
It's still going slow but growing.
I now have just over 2/3 of the required signatures, and I have 8 more days to gather more.
This coming weekend I will be going full speed ahead.
The gathered signatures are now at 80% and climbing.
Everyone has been really super nice except one.
I wasn't gonna say because I find it a bit embarrassing to think that an Elk County citizen could be so rude and angry about nothing.
I saw three men working on a pick up truck and I stopped and after I stepped out of my truck I politely asked if I could come over and talk with them. Two fo the guys said yes. So I walk over on to the property and was explaining the opposition petition to them as the third guy was walking over.
The third guy didn't hear everything I had been saying. But apparently thought he heard enough to get extremely angry. Well he yelled at me that his wife is on the school board and then commenced to get even angrier. I stepped back off the property and said I'm sorry to have bothered you because he was going off the deep end. I was getting into my truck when the man yelled any money for my kid's education is okay with me. I told him it was not money for education because it isn't going into the classroom and that taxpayer money is simply being wasted. And I left.
Later he saw me speaking with a lady and started yelling at me again from a distance. He yelled I should be looking at Elk Valley USD-283 because they get a lot more taxpayer money because of all the poor kids there. I guess he doesn't understand the only reason I can be doing this position is because I live and vote and pay taxes in the West Elk School District and not in the Elk Valley School District. And then he followed that up with I should stop bothering people. That makes me wonder if this guy even has a clue?
I was not bothering people I was communicating with them in a very polite manner and exercising my constitutional right to freedom of speech.
I think his wife must be the one just recently elected to the school board. I sure hope his wife ghas better reasoning skills than he does or the school board is in real trouble. For some reason he thought I was attacking his wife, because I was running a petition to force the school board to come to the voters. I have no idea who is wife is. After all, in my opinion it was very sneaky of them to do an end-play around the voters. And I feel certain they thought they would get away with it.
I do know a lot of school districts have had their state aid cut, but West Elk was not one of them. In fact West Elk is receiving More State aid then they did last year.
It is my personal opinion that the school board has no respect for the taxpayer or the voter or they would not pull such a sneaky move.
I do know the school board most likely pulled this sneaky move because they have taxed us to the maximum and pretty much know the taxpayers will tell them no, no more tax increases.
I find the saying that schools need money to operate very worn out. They have money. In fact West Elk had so much money they have virtually wasted as much as $150,000.00 and possibly another $500,000.00 and that is part of the reason why they don't want to record their School Board Meetings and post them on the School web site. They don't want the citizens watching them behaving poorly or to know what is really going on with the school finances or plans of the board.
Not that I have mentioned the school board meetings, some students are required to attend school board meeting for class work. Well what they are learning by attending is that the school board has no couth, no decorum and don't understand and use Roberts Rules of Order. So what are they learning – how it should not be done. Good job, huh?
This is my observations from attending West Elk School Board meetings and my personal opinions.
Taxpayers and voters do have a voice in what the School Board does, the School Belongs to them not to the School Board. The School Board is suppose to perform to the wishes of the voters not the other way around.
The School Board position is not for the board member to provide a new gymnasium for their own children, just because he wants his kids to have a new gymnasium for his kids to play in. Grow up,
I'm sorry I'm not Politically Correct am I. No I'm not sorry, facts are facts.
Good nght all.
I have some good news for the taxpayers and voters of the West Elk USD-282 area.
I have obtained the required number of signatures for the Opposition Petition plus 20% more than required.
I will most likely turn the petition over to the Elk County Clerk for her handling on Monday.
If all goes well the School Board will not be able to raise our property taxes automatically by 8 mills.
They will be required to bring the 8 mill increase to the voters.
After all they are elected by the people and should respect the people with coming to the people for such a
dramatic property tax increase instead of using such a sneaky of acquiring such a large property
tax increase.
I am full well aware that many schools across Kansas are having their State Aid cut, however, West Elk USD-282 is not one of those schools. In fact West Elk is gaining $10,000.00 more than last year.
My sincerest "THANK YOU" to all those that graciously signed the petition, this could not happen with out you.
It is my sincerest desire that the School Board recognize and respect who they work for.
That would be all of the property owners and taxpayers and voters. Not for themselves only or for only a few property owners and taxpayers.
Since when will a school board ever recognize and respect who they work for? Who do they work for?
The school board is not to defend the defend the liberty the people, they're there to take from the people to indoctrinate their kids.
So what's ''taking to the voters" going to cost?
From what budget will the $ come? What rules govern the advertising in the paper and the publicity. What about absentee ballots?
When would the voting be in relation to the formation of the budget?
What is a win? A simple majority?
If the referendum fails, how long do they have to redo the budget and figure out what has to be cut and rearranged? How much will it cost to redo the tax bills?
I know how it works here, just interested in how it works there.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
So what's ''taking to the voters" going to cost?
No more than any other time that something from the West Elk School Board brings somethig to the voters.
It is up to the School Board to determine if their desires are worth bringing to the taxpayers. It is also up to them to decide to pay for a special election or to save money and wait for the 2016 regular election in order to save money.
The whole point thought is for the School Board to recognize who they work for and who they are hurting all in the name of sports and not money spent on actual education. Which means money into the classroom. Is this to difficult to understand?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
From what budget will the $ come?
The same source as last year and in fact they are receiving an extra $10, 000.00 from State Aid.
Didn't you comprehend that in my previous post?
Lots of schools in Kansas are loosing some percentage of their State Aid but West Elk USD-282 is not one of them. West Elk just has a problem, an addiction to raising property taxes and wasting money. They have adopted the attitude of the Federal Government. Remember Hillary lost 6 Billion Dollars, that is ^Billion Dollars wasted. And the Federal Government doesn't apparently believe in a balanced budget and living with it. So they raise the Debt Ceiling. West Elk School Board is very similar, they don't appear to recognize their budget and are presently $1,100 in the red. So stated at the last School Board. "$1,100.00 in the red. And they have made it a habit to raise their Tax Ceiling, so they can have more money to waste.
And none of this has had to do with education, mostly had to do with sports.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
What rules govern the advertising in the paper and the publicity. What about absentee ballots?
When would the voting be in relation to the formation of the budget?
Don't you suppose there should be a real and honest cause before worrying about this stuff?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
What is a win?
Is that what you think this is about, a win?
I think it is about integrity, honesty and a Transparent School Board.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 08:37:07 AM
A simple majority?
If the referendum fails, how long do they have to redo the budget and figure out what has to be cut and rearranged? How much will it cost to redo the tax bills?
I know how it works here, just interested in how it works there.
What referendum are you talking about? I don't know of any referendum outstanding?
Or is it you are referring to something that may never happen?
You need to communicate a little better than this.
Why would they need to redo the tax bills, as of the moment nothing has changed, and it may not change.
If the School Board is permitted to continue with their Resolution then the tax bills will differ from last year, but they have not been printed yet. And it is an expense that happens every year any way.
So the question is simply moot.
If you sincerely want to know how things work here in Kansas the Kansas State Laws are posted on the internet and so are all the School rules, regulations and laws. So go ahead and do some studying. If you wish to use the laws to express an opinion, be understanding enough to list the law and the web site as references.
I hope you are having a great Labor Day weekend, Diane.
Ok, Mr. Smart Alec, who never misses an opportunity to swat at me. (Try using spell check yourself.Also, the wrong word spelled correctly is still not right.)
Once more you don't answer my questions, as I am apparently unworthy of your infinite wisdom. (choke) Also, here in Delaware we don't have Labor Day until Sept.7th.
I know you want things to be "different," but..... yer slippin', Boo- Boo.
Some people think that sports IS part of education. My high school didn't play football so I don't know what that's like.
By the way, I haven't read hardly any of your last bunch of posts, just a couple, so no, I have no idea what all you "explained." It has nothing to do with comprehension on my part.
Back to ignore until you stop being so indignant and patronizing. It doesn't become you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 30, 2015, 10:34:33 AM
Ok, Mr. Smart Alec, who never misses an opportunity to swat at me. (Try using spell check yourself.Also, the wrong word spelled correctly is still not right.)
Once more you don't answer my questions, as I am apparently unworthy of your infinite wisdom. (choke) Also, here in Delaware we don't have Labor Day until Sept.7th.
I know you want things to be "different," but..... yer slippin', Boo- Boo.
Some people think that sports IS part of education. My high school didn't play football so I don't know what that's like.
By the way, I haven't read hardly any of your last bunch of posts, just a couple, so no, I have no idea what all you "explained." It has nothing to do with comprehension on my part.
Back to ignore until you stop being so indignant and patronizing. It doesn't become you.
If you had a life in Delaware and left politics in Elk County, Kansas to Elk County, Kansas voters and instead of being a mouthpiece for someone here locally, you would not have this problem. Can't you get involved in your own community politics or did they run you off?
To think sports is part of education is one thing but to make sports the major part of Education is another, And to require a professional sports arena is way over the top. And Diane when an over abundance of money is spent on sports and little on improving education in the classroom it is not education, it is wasteful spending. And it is more about what the adults want for themselves than what is actually needed for the children. Do you know the difference between
NEED and WANT?This School District's voters and property taxpayers have spoke on several occassions by ballot and the School Board does not listen. And that is why they chose such a sneaky way of raising our property tax by
8 mill. But then again they must have heard the voters for them to go around the voters using a resolution. And I am sure they counted on nobody reading the resolution let alone put together the petition allowed for in the resolution. Guess again!
And the expense of running a special election should not happen. If it does happen it will only prove my point, that the school board does not care how they waste money.
I am certain and I am sure the School Board is certain that the voters will say another loud and resounding
"NO" yet once again.
Our county government gave us a tax break and the West Elk School Board sucked it right up, plus a little more. And they were hoping no one would notice. The people in Elk County, Kansas outside of the West Elk School District were happy recipients of that tax break.
While another School District in Elk County has just reduced their property tax mill rate, the West Elk School Board continues to be greedy and waste money.
The Attitude of the School Board was very appropriately, expressed by the President of the Board at a school board meeting! When he angrily said, he did not give a damn how mad the taxpayers got. And angrily said his children would have to grow up without having know the pleasure of playing in a brand new gymnasium. Yes it happened at a School Board meeting, but you won't read it in the minutes.
Also it was not so great a move to abuse a sincere school booster! But the School Board due to the lack of being able to communicate did just that. The board wanted a
Professional Football Field and hired a highly respected local businessman to crown their football field. The man was going to do the job for only $7000.00, a price, I feel certain would have cost him a loss. The school board with out communicating with the man told him to remove his dirt from their football field, without asking what he was doing. Well folks, that dirt was to be used as fill dirt and it was to be cleaned of the rocks and roots that were in it and then covered with top soil. So yes, the man was doing the West Elk School District another big favor. The School Board ordered the removal his dirt from the field.
The school board with their lack of communication skills, then moved on, to hire a company from outside of Elk County to do the job and the cost was somewhere near $30,000.00. I'm not sure of the exact amount maybe $27,000. Now Diane, you explain the intelligence in all of this?
It is my opinion that if the School Board continues to punish the property owners and voters, they have not a drop of common sense. Only time will tell, Diane!
So now, whomever you are a mouthpiece for should understand the county population a little better.
I am far more than a Smart Alec Diane, I am a Smart Ass. Well trained, by the United States Navy for 10 years and damn proud of it.
Thank you Diane for the stimulating conversation and your never-ending support for me to continue the path I am on. Your encouragement is greatly appreciated.
Yes, I do realize labor day is next weekend, I caught my error about na hour later while driving down the road.
Big Freaking Deal !
Yes, Ross, for you, who never misses swatting me on any detail, it apparently IS a big freakin' deal.
I am nobody's mouth piece. (Those folks of old pay no attention to you at all now.) You know I can get in trouble with nobody's help.
You also know perfectly well I am very involved here.That's why I'm interested in what goes on there.
Please note when you made your "no big deal" mistake, I didn't write line after line of insults accusing you of having no comprehension of calendars and on and on like you do to me.
Now stop asking me stupid questions. I won't answer them.
I told you I can't relate to high school football, so I can't possible know what it costs or anything else about it. We didn't have it then. I'd have to hear a lot more than just from you.
Poof! I'm outta here. I need to start working on the kids' local Fire Prevention Contest.There is a lot to do and I'm co chair.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2015, 07:59:09 AM
I am nobody's mouth piece.
Oh my dear Diane, have you forgot all the times you have said your friends from here keep you informed about what is happening here.
Oh yes, that makes you a mouthpiece which leads to:
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2015, 07:59:09 AM
(Those folks of old pay no attention to you at all now.)
Many folks of old have signed my petition. LOL
Now how would you know who is paying attention?
They all have code names, do you know who is attached to which code name?
There are a lot of people reading this and you have no idea who they are.
Check the number of hits at the top of the page after each post to this thread and see for yourself.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 31, 2015, 07:59:09 AM
You also know perfectly well I am very involved here.That's why I'm interested in what goes on there.
I have no idea what or how you are involved way up there in Delaware! And frankly I don't care to know.
If you are very involved up there you wouldn't have time to harrass people way down here in Elk County, Kansas.
What goes on here in Elk County, Kansas with a very small population and it's local politics has nothing to do with the large population of Delaware and it's local politics in Delaware unless you wish to fabricate something.
Anyway I have decided to hold my Opposition Petition and turn t in tomorrow. I have been contacted that a couple more concerned citizens want to sign it.
Oh, I have far more than enough to turn it in, but out of respect for other property owners, taxpayers, voters and concerned citizens, hence I will wait and let them sign.
Time for me to quit and get to my rat killing. LOL That is a figure of speech for getting to my work here on the farm.ranch.
Toodle oo Diane.
How many times have you said you were told this or that but cannot say who? So that makes you a mouth piece.
Quote from: proelkco on August 31, 2015, 05:26:24 PM
How many times have you said you were told this or that but cannot say who? So that makes you a mouth piece.
Proelkco you are absolutly correct.
Thing is I am not ashamed to admit it.
And everytime it was information I felt constructive to Elk County citizens.
The truth hurts doesn't it?
Thanks for the honorable recognition, i really appreaciate the booster attitude.
It is always my pleasure to aid the citizens of Elk County with their
Quality of Life.That is a lot more than the Elk Konnected organization has ever done!
They could not even define what Quality of Life meant to them.
And part of that may be preventing an un-needed and unaproved 8 mill property tax hike.
This would be something very detrimental to Elk County and it's citizens in my opinion.
If it is brought to the voters by the school board it will only show their lack of concern for the citizens and voters and lack of concern about wasting taxpayer money.
Isn't it time the School Board learned and understood what the purpose of a budget is?
Shouldn't they consider the budget before over spending, They are only $1,100.00 in the red according to what was said at the last school board meeting. That's not to bad, but it still isn't good business is it?
It's a good thing they are getting an additional $10 grand over and above last years State,l Aid, they won;t feel the pain of their blunder, will they?
Why do you reckon they used the end play aroung the voters?
Would it be perhaps that they know the voters would say no? It's always a pleasure to hear from you Proelkco.
Lets keep that pro stuff going shall we?
I'm Pro Elk County also.Not so much Pro Private Organizations though.
Just being honest.
I really hope you are having a great evening.
Brought over from Diane's East Coast (long distance) Politics.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 02, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
I have never felt like an outsider there. :-*
I don't feel like an outsider either. But as the outsiders joke the inbred here try to treat us like outsiders.
Would an outsider step up to the helm and take leadership actions opposing the so-called elite?
Would an outsider be required to pay property tax?
Would an outsider be permitted to register to vote in Elk County?
Would an outsider be allowed to run for office?
You know Diane I think all the above points do establish you as an outsider.
I didn't see your name on the Voter Registration list for Elk County or the West Elk USD-282.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 02, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
I have not read any of Ross's last few posts and I'm sure I don't need to. I can just guess what he had to say, none of it nice or complimentary and all of it refuting anything I or anyone else said.
Well of course you can say that even just like I said I can say I have ocean front property in Elk County for sale. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 02, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
I'm sure he got another crack in about how I don't live there and don't pay taxes there, as if that's all there is to it.
As far as political events here in Elk County you got it a 100% correct! You are not a registered voter, very simple. You can't register and have a say if you don't live here. Elementary my dear Diane. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 02, 2015, 07:01:08 AM
I am very interested in how his petition business turns out. Apparently ,except for showing it to the school board it, has no weight at all and can cause nothing to happen.
I thought it might legally force a voter referendum, but I'm told that isn't correct.I wonder what the school board with do with it?
Once again you show no knowledge of what you are speaking of, just simply terrible for a person with higher education and a degree in something, just terrible.
You see Diane this redneck high school flunky studied what he was setting out to do.
I spent many hours searching the internet and studying Kansas law before I started out. The internet is simply an amazing tool if properly used.
The petition was not just a simple street petition to complain about some business frying eggs on the city sidewalk. This is an opposition petition that had to abide by state law. In fact Kansas law said I had to give it to the county attorney for him to scrutinize for legality.
Our county attorney had no idea that this might be part of his job. He asked me to provide him with copies of Kansas laws. So yea, I did his research for him. Well after about a week and a half he found in the law that if the County had a County Counselor, then the County Counselor could do the job. So he told me to take it to the County Counselor. This wasted a week and a half of the 40 days permitted to acquire the necessary signatures and submit the petition.
So I e-mailed it to the County Counselor and mind you he has 5 days in which to look at it. He didn't have time because he was involved in a murder trial. So after 5 days, by law, I am permitted to start collecting signatures. So now 5 more days of my 40 days for collecting signatures has passed..
On the day I started collecting signatures late in the afternoon I receive an e-mail from the County Counselor stating that my petition looked very proper.
There are certain things about this type of petition that has to meet certain legal requirements and I made sure I got it right.
So this petition does have the power of law behind it.
It also has the power of registered voters in the West Elk School District.
I only stepped up to the plate as a leader in the community.
Without the honorable registered voters of West Elk School District the petition would mean nothing.
By law I had to turn the opposition petition over to the County Government, specifically the County Clerk.
Which I did yesterday.
Her job was to certify the registered voters and disallow any signatures that were not registered.
She certified the petition and then served the petition on West Elk USD-282.
No Diane it is not just a piece of paper that can be ignored, it is a legal document for the people, by the people and of the people.
The document does not force the School Board to bring the 8 mill 5 year property tax hike to the people to vote on, but it does allow them to make that decision. They can also decide to have a special election rather than wait until the 2016 election. They are not forced, but they have these choices.
The petition only points out that they cannot use the resolution to raise property taxes.
And all of this is permitted in their legal document called a resolution they had printed in the local newspaper. And you would know that had you read the newspaper?
If they foolishly choose to ignore the petition and raise property taxes as stated in their resolution, if they choose to ignore the registered voters of Elk County I will send the petition to the State General Attorney.
So you see Diane the Opposition Petition has lots of weight, let me rehash:
The petition has:
1. Weight of Law
2. Weight of the voters
3. And if necessary the Weight of the
Kansas Attorney General.
The next move is the West Elk School Boards move.
Apparently you never taught government Diane, I hope you appreciate this educating post.
This step towards maintaining the
Quality of Life that the elderly have was performed by me and no organizations like
Elk Kon nected who claims something about
Quality of Life but don't even know how to define it.
All expenses came out of my personal wallet and was not begged for at County Commissioners meeting as
Elk Konn ected has, and voted on by
Elk Konn ected Kounty Kommissioners to give money to themselves.
Do the people owe me anything? No ma'am! It was my pleasure to serve the Elk County Citizens and all of them thanked me for doing the opposition petition and that is payment enough for me.
Thank you for your input Diane and whoever you are lkistening to, it has been very useful.
Quote from: proelkco on September 02, 2015, 08:24:03 PM
Ross why do you have to be so hateful? Diane said and asked nothing out of line.
That is only your personal opinion and you are totally welcome to it.
Diane was degrading in her lack of knowledge of the weight of the Opposition Petition and made demeaning remarks about it. That is my opinion and I am entitled to it.
But just where do you get off calling me hateful for being honest. I find that makes you hateful.
Now my post from the other thread:Quote from: ROSS on September 02, 2015, 08:45:47 PM
I'm not hateful just honest.
Why do you have to be so hateful to call me hateful ?
So you think I'm hateful for providing her in return for what she dishes out. That's just plain stupid.
Just where is the critical thinking in that.
She hasn't tried to have a decent conversation in three years. And sh plays the part of a victim when she is corrected. That's been going on for a mnimum of three years and all her name calling as well.
And I'm the hateful one.
Really I enjoy her bull shit and she knows it and you know it.
What's hateful about enjoying her and her posts.
Oh wait a minute you read my post about the petition didn't you and that's hateful.
No sir you are dead wrong --- it is honesty.
What about her ignorance about the petition having no weight and stating so. I guess that was what you deem as love.
Go pick on someone else Proelkco it doesn't work with me.
Because I am really Pro Elk County.
And I have proved it but not by hiding behind a phony name.
I'm moving this over to the thread you are talking about because this need to be very clear. Hang on a minute.
Have a good night whoever you are with the phony name Proelkco.
I'm open and honest and this is my real name with nothing to hide.
To all the fine folks and registered voters I wish to say Thank you again.
Good night all.
Bad news/Good News
Depending what side of the line you are on.
It seems that our County Clerk made a boo-boo.
She made the error of not counting the number of Registered Voters by not including
Chataqua and Greenwood Counties registered voters in the West Elk USD 282 School District.
Hence the Oppsition Petition requores a larger number of signatures.
I need the help of anyone who is interested in stopping the outrageous property tax increase being asked for by the West Elk USD 282 School Board.
If you can get together 3 or 5 or 10 registered voters together please give me a call and i will come to your location as quickly as possible to gather those signatures.
My cell phone number is 620 647-3587.
If I don't answer it's because i am driving orsigning another registered
voter.
Your help is urgently needed.
Thanks to all that help.
Thank you
for the call
Together we will make this work!
I have recieved help from a couple of people who are gathering signatures
and I feel confident we will acquire the necessary signatures.
I see the doubters and deniers are at a loss for words, so I assume they have faith in all of you registered voters and the Opposition Petition. Isn't that great!
The necessary signatures do not necessarily have to come out of Chataqua or Greenwood County.
However, I did acquire quite a few signatures in Severy this morning.
And I plan to return to Severy again.
Once again thanks to all the registered voters that have signed the Opposition Petition.
We can not accomplish nothing with out your help.
I'll keep ypu posted right here as much as possible.
Goodnight for now.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 03, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
So, it seems he did tear apart my post from here and reposted it on the E K. thread. No, I didn't have to read his post to find out.
I did not tear anything apart. There is nothing to tear. I simply spaced your remarks for the purpose of clear communications. Just because you are not smart enough to do the same thing for clarity does not mean it is something bad.
You got that story going again that you don't read what I post and I have that story again about having ocean front property in Elk County Kansas – how much would you like to buy?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 03, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
His petition has nothing to do with Elk Konnected. Why is he allowed to do that?
I am allowed to express my opinion that through my petition I hope to help the good people of Elk County, Kansas maintain their present
"Quaality of Life" which is something that
Elk Kon nected has preached about and has posted on their web site. But Elk Konnected appears to be incapable of defining what they mean by
"Quality of Life" and you know very well I said that on the Elk Konnected thread.
I am allowed to express my opinion just like you are. And that is because you do not have control of the internet or this forum. I simply expressed that my petition is an attempt to help the Elk County citizens maintain their
"Quality of Life" and you can not deal with it can you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 03, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
Apparently he also thinks that every citizen in Elk County thanks him for doing the petition. Where did he get that idea?
That is just plain silly Diane. I would think a college-educated person would know better to make such a remark. You have simply twisted what I have said once again. And that is the reason you started this thread aimed at me, hoping to get away with your back-stabbing ways. It hasn't worked yet and never will.
Why do you want to spread such a lie. The truth is everyone that has signed the petition have said thank you to me for doing the petition and have said they are glad I am doing it. And that is more than enough for me. And to quote myself just for you, please read the following:
Quote from: ROSS on September 02, 2015, 05:16:22 PM
Do the people owe me anything? No ma'am! It was my pleasure to serve the Elk County Citizens and all of them thanked me for doing the opposition petition and that is payment enough for me.
And I was refering to those tha signed the petition and you know very well that I was.Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 03, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
Would someone please explain to him the difference about feelings, thoughts, truth and facts? He doesn't get it.
Diane do you really understand feelings if so you should understand feelings don't belong in politics.
I just have and have always been truthful to a fault. I have even said I am human and subject to making mistakes.
I just quoted a fact and a truth just above this portion of you post. That is to correct your lie about me believing everyone in Elk County owes me a thank you. That is simply not true.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 03, 2015, 12:51:39 PM
I'm working on that spell. He'll know when it hits him. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :angel:
Now, back to face book.
Does that make you a wiccan? LOL
Did you notice how
Elk Kon nected is
discon nected? Where are they Diane?
Where is Dr, Whetstone of
Elk Kon nected? Why did he resign from the School Board after being re-elected and resign before his new term even start. If you are so Konnected and concerned about Elk County, Kansas enlighten us please.
Good night Diane.
Quote from: ROSS on September 07, 2015, 04:34:53 PM
Well I got home from the Elk County Courthouse at 4:30 pm
The petition has been signed, sealed and delivered way before 5 pm on this day.
The school tried to tell the County Clerk she could wait until tomorrow.
Tomorrow the petition would have been dead and our County Clerk knew that and she believes in doing her job properly. That make me pretty prod of her.
I asked the County Clerk if this was the first petition ever done in Elk County because some people said they had never seen one here.
And I learned something new!
There was a petition ran when the board was working to shut down the grade schools but it failed.
I did not ask why it failed, I may try to find out another day.
I never saw the petition or heard of it back then.
And I can understand why.
Because it is pretty difficult to study all the laws and get it right and it is pretty difficult to catch people at home.
Even people here in Elk County have pretty busy lives.
The County Clerk will be certifying the signatures on this petition tomorrow morning.
When she is not rushed or distracted which I happen to think is an excellent idea.
I want a thorough check, I'd rather be short one signature and fail than have the School Attorney find an error and have enough signatures to pass only to be challenged in court if he finds one little error.
And they would do exactly that. They don't care about what the voters and taxpayers want.
And not a drop of this money goes into the class room contrary to what Mr. Moore would have you believe by saying is goes to education.
Does a new expensive sprinkler system help in the class room. no but it gives maintenance more time to goof off.
Does a new rebuilt professional football field go towards the class room for education. NOPE.
Oh yes, the School Superintendent saw my petition and I believe he and the attorney saw that it was all very proper. That's why he went ballistic and performed his personal political action.
And I can understand why, posting on the forum and sending out flyers and using school employeesand school time on our dollar for personal politicking was urgent to him. But it did not work.
And yes he did that during work hours using school property.
I sincerely do believe he knows that is very improper of him.
And I don't believe he was authorized to take such action by his employers, the School Board because we are between meetings. Unless they had one of those clandestine - secret meetings he was talking about.
But when you are desperate you take desperate measures.
I will make myself very busy this evening catching up on the work I left so I could do this petition and I have a very busy day tomorrow so I won't be worrying about the petition.
I will post something as soon as I possibly can after I hear about the count certification.
The School Board is already taking a 4-mill tax increase on our properties and I would suggest they use 1 mill of that to pay off the loan they took out on the roof and air conditioners. They would not have had to do that if they would have done the job 2 years ago, but they didn't listen to their architects and contractors they paid a great deal of money to.
If they were smart they would use the full 4 mills and pay the debt of 4 times faster. But are they smart.
Diplomas don't actually make a person smart. LOL
That is proven by the fact they had not planned how to pay off the debt before making the debt.
I double-checked and triple checked the grammar and spelling to keep the grammar and spelling police off of this post. LOL
TTFN
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Nothing yet about the petition, maybe after lunch.
I wanted to post reference to my new post on Common Core !
Quote from: ROSS on September 08, 2015, 06:33:09 AM
Public School the School of the Poor People.
CHRISTIANS WARNED
TO PULL KIDS FROM
PUBLIC SCHOOL
'All the garbage and debris and waste from this faulty model is washing up'
Published: 11 hours ago
A lot of other groups have been calling for home schooling and now this Christian Group is doing the same thing.
Consider if this idea really gets going strong what effrect it might have on our County School Districts.
There are K-12 instructors on line and lots of parental support.
All that is a possibility!
That and the declining population is still on a decline.
And with the higher property taxes West Elk has piled on us the schools are causing major problems for themselves and us.
Education is in the classroom not on the football field.
If you haven't noticed people are walking away from property here in Elk Clate ounty ar an alarming rate. Property taxes are frequently paid late or not at all.
I wonder why West Elk does not understand the damage they are causing to the County, to the Senior Citizens and to the poor of Elk County?
Mr. moore pointed out in his political statement they could raise our taxes by 4 mill with out our conscent.
He did not say they have or have not already already iniated that action. hHe did say they voted to recieve only 1 mill of the 8 mills that are part of the 8 mill Resolution posted in the news paper. He did not say that the School Board could not come back and vote to take the rest of the 8 mills.
If they do or can come back for the other 7 mills ourproperty taxes could up by 12 mills.USD-282
Again about those 27 kids coming with no State aid makes them a tax liablity for West Elk property owners without representation in my opinion. He ommited the facts of where they are coming and why?
This cause extra expense of busing them. Remember that was one of the reasons for shutting down our grade schools. The great expense of busing. What is the gas milage on a school bus? Perhaps 5 miles to the gallon.
I;m not done, but I gotta run.
Quote from: ROSS on September 08, 2015, 01:29:47 PM
I feel the title is wrong
I think it should read
Over expenditures on Sports
and tax, tax, tax
does not help in the classroom.
I know it is not a popular idea, but it is the truth.
PUBLIC SCHOOLS
OVERPAID TEACHERS
TURNING OUT
ILLITERATE STUDENTS
Exclusive: Mychal Massie blasts failure of government education in America
Published: 20 hours ago
If more money were the cure to the educational malaise, public schools would be graduating entire classes of Einsteins and Socrateses. But instead, they are promoting students grade-to-grade who cannot make change unless the cash register tells them the correct amount and who are, by definition, illiterate in geography, literature and factual history.
Readthe article at http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/overpaid-teachers-tuning-out-illiterate-students/#JJCddh7BAdrHGwp8.99
I just found out that the petition telling the school board that they need to come to the voters for a property tax
PASSED CERTIFICATION
And the school has been notified.
The next move is on the school board and their attorney.
If they have any respect for
the voters
the property owners
the taxpayers
and the citizens of Elk County
At all
they will accept the voters wishes
and bring it to the voters.
Plain and simple.
THANKS TO ALL THAT MADE THIS WORK ! THANKS TO ALL THAT MADE THIS WORK ! THANKS TO ALL THAT MADE THIS WORK ! THANKS TO ALL THAT MADE THIS WORK !
Busy day sorry I posted this o the wrong thread.
I think I'll do it again and post it with Mr. Moore's Political Statement too!
Good job!
Glad to see someone in Elk County will carry the ball for American liberty against the tyrants' team.
Quote from: redcliffsw on September 09, 2015, 07:31:29 AM
Good job!
Glad to see someone in Elk County will carry the ball for American liberty against the tyrants' team.
As they say Redclif it's not over till the fat lady sings.
I'm afraid Mr. Moore opened a bag of worms and I'm trying to let them out of the bag.
See the following post please.
Fellow Kansans,
The rebuttal of critics to our previous message on school finance was, at best, flimsy and so easily refuted that a sequel was only appropriate. Their tired champions were the usual suspect editorial writers and the litigation prone attorney representing Schools for Fair funding, a taxpayer funded group demanding more than $1 billion in additional funding for schools.
In their response, they correctly point out that both bond and interest and capital outlay projects receive local funding. This is indeed the case. To finance new buildings, school districts turn to voters asking them to approve a defined bond package. Citizens assess the validity of the request and vote accordingly. But here's the critical piece of information they left out: The State of Kansas contributes millions of dollars each year to support these efforts. The State Division of Budget reports that last school year alone the state gave $147 million to districts in bond and interest aid and $29 million in capital outlay equalization funding. It's also worth noting that state contributions to these two funds have more than doubled since FY 2010.
Critics are often quick to dismiss KPERS funding, along with capital outlay and bond and interest aid, claiming it doesn't count as education funding because it isn't operating funds. The fact of the matter is this: if the state didn't contribute $456 million in these three categories last school year, that money could have gone toward general operating funds. John Robb, attorney for the ever-litigating Schools for Fair Funding, asserted the state had "no hand" in bonds, and that local districts were able to increase teacher pay only by robbing "Peter to pay Paul." $147 million certainly qualifies as "a hand." While the state doesn't designate funds specifically for teacher pay, it does contribute directly to bond packages, technology, and KPERS, freeing general operating funds to go toward teachers—the most important asset in any classroom. Furthermore, and quite ironically, Mr. Robb himself is taking money out of Kansas classrooms to fund his war on taxpayers. He is robbing Peter to pay Robb.
This conversation highlights one of the most significant flaws in the old funding formula—it prioritized and incentivized non-classroom spending. The state spends millions more on new schools, administrative facilities, and technology, while educators complain about the lack of operational funds. Many districts, however, still have enough additional operational funds to provide higher pay to their teachers. How can all of these things be true if state funding for schools is declining? Last spring, KCK purchased a $48,000 piano illustrating this exact problem. While admittedly an exorbitant expenditure, the old formula required the district to spend those funds on capital outlay items and prohibited the district from using the funding to hire a new teacher. The new formula Governor Brownback is working to craft along with legislators and educators will not include such absurd mandates. Instead, funding should be flexible, giving local districts the ability to determine what will best serve their students.
As always, thanks for remaining informed and engaged.
Melika Willoughby
Deputy Communications Director
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I DO BELIEVE THIS MAN HAS PROPER AUTHORITY FROM THE AUTHORITY OF THE GOVERNOR TO WRITE LETTERS OF THIS SORT. That's my personal opinion.
And he is not attacking any specific individual with nonsense.
What part of deception and mis-information have I failed to provide for here?
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-------Original Message-------
From: Fury, Ian [GO]
Date: 09/10/15 09:38:42
To: I have removed my personal e-mail address and I have changed nothing else.
Subject: Funding for USD 282
Mr. Ross,
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD's general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
I hope my information was helpful. If you have any follow-up questions, don't hesitate to ask!
Sincerely,
-Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Desk: 785-368-8211
Cell: 785-250-5254
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The gentle man from the Governors Administration has provided his e-mail address and phone numbers and I am certain you are as welcome as I am to contact him with any questions you may have.
And remember every one has a boss in a higher position. In this situation the State Government is just that.
So to answer Mr. Moore's letter and specifically"
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
The state of Kanas changed the funding for school districts this school year to a "block grant" which basically froze school district budgets at the same level as the 2014-2015 budget. When you hear that we received more money that is not the fact. The state began flowing the KPERS retirement fund to school districts to show that they had added dollars to school budgets; however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account. This is where the extra money for school districts came from. The state also reduced its funding for Capital Outlay equalization aid as well as Local Option Budget state aid. This reduction in state aid is what will cause a raise in the mill levy, not 8 "additional Capital Outlay mills being used to save for a new building".
Let me repeat a portion of the above for clarity:
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account.
The money sure is within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account in to the School Districts accounts.
Oh what a deceptive statement, I find that statement Mr Moores post to the Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282.
Once again these are only my opinion and i have provided you with a contact with the Kansas State Government you may contact with any questions. Please be sure to develope your own oppinion.
And feel free to question my post and contact the above named State emlooyee, with my blessings.
The following is my e-mail to the editor of the Prarie Star:
Jenny Diveley
Editor Prairie Star
Letter to The Editor,
You printed a letter from the West Elk USD-282 Superintendent which questioned the School Districts State Financing.
I took the time to question his statements to the public and I received information in the following e-mail.
The only alteration of the e-mail is the removal of my personal e-mail address. I have permission of the the author of the e-mail to have it printed. His government information is included in the e-mail if you please, you can call him and confirm the consent to publish. I am also posting this e-mail and everything in it to our local forum. Let's get the real facts out there. I look forward to next weeks paper.
Thank you,
The e-mail:
-------Original Message-------
From: Fury, Ian [GO]
Date: 9/10/2015 12:07:33 PM
To: I have removed my personal e-mail address and nothing else has been altered.
Subject: RE: Funding for USD 282
You may use my email for the paper. I am also including a one sentence introduction to make it read a little bit better for the paper:
Mr. Ross, I'm happy to respond to your inquiry. These are the state funding numbers for West Elk.
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD's general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
-Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Desk: 785-368-8211
Cell: 785-250-5254
From:
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Fury, Ian [GO]
Subject: Re: Funding for USD 282
Sir,
Would you object to me asking our local paper to print this e-mail from you in the local newspaper to clear up the mis-information presented in the School Superintendents letter that the editor published.
I would sincerely appreciate your consent so the voters and taxpayers know the truth.
Thank you.
Will we see this information in the next Prarie Star?
We will have to wait and see, won't we?
Will the truth be published.
From: Ross
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2015 3:46 PM
To: Fury, Ian [GO]
Subject: RE: Funding for USD 282
Mr. Fury,
I do appreciate your help. Especially since I don't fully understand all the various funds.
I have to ask about the other funds our school Superintendent claimed were reduced.
I'm sorry, if I am being a pain in the butt.
He said the state also reduced it's funding to the Capital Outlay equalization aid as well as the Local Option Budget State Aid. He claims this reduction in state aid is what will cause a raise in the mill levy.
Well look, here is a link to his letter on our local forum.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,17105.0.html
I think he is very busy blowing smoke up everyone's back side. So I need to ask these questions.
Thanks once again.
LW Ross
-------Original Message-------
From: Fury, Ian [GO]
Date: 9/10/2015 4:07:35 PM
To: Ross
Subject: RE: Funding for USD 282
Mr. Ross,
My previous response should answer all of your questions. He can argue about dollars coming from specific areas, but total state funding to USD 282 has increased, as the numbers that I have sent you will show. West Elk should have an increase in its operating budget for the next school year based on state dollars.
As Melika's original email will show you, state aid for Capital Outlay has increased during Governor Brownback's time in office. Under the block grant, funding for the two funds that he specifically mentions has been frozen at a flat amount. Nevertheless, I have already shown how total funding has increased.
Hope this helps!
-Ian Fury
Folks is this clear enough?
Think again who is being deceptive is it me or Superintendent Moore?
Does Superintendent Moore have a legitimate leg to stand on as far as raising our property taxes even 1 mill?
Really it is not Superintendent Moore's job not at all. The decision to raise the tax mill levy rest solely on the School Board members and it is their job to know about all this state aid information and not have to rely on misinformation from the School Superintendent.
It is not in the Superintendent job description to be misleading the Elected officials that make up the school board.
This is one of the reasons the School Superintendent should not be sitting on the school board, the real reason is because he was not elected to the school board.
The School Board and the Superintendent both understand the principle of this and democracy and therefore should immediately correct the situation at the next School Board meeting.
But will they do it?
Will they have proper School Board Meetings?
Or will they perhaps invite the School Principal to sit on the School Board as well.
When does leadership kick in with this School Board?
Will the Prarie Star Editor print the e-mails I sent them or will they be biased and side with the School Superintendent?
Or is the Elk Kon nection stronger than the truth? Just asking.
Only time will tell, the honesty of the Prarie Star.
Will I be sued for asking for the truth> Will I be sued for expressing what I believe to be the truth?
Will I be sued for sharing my opinions? No! I don't think so.
What do you think?
After thinking about the School Superintendent's letter! And showing proof about the extra money that the State gave West Elk for operating expenses, which is added to the original state aid! And after providing an explanation of the money put in to a special KPERS fund, that he said is only there for 90 minutes and then is gone!
I have got to ask about the rumors Mr. Moore was talking about in his letter.
Has anyone, I mean anyone else heard the rumor of clandestine or secret School Board Meetings?
I have been asking an awful lot of people if they had heard the rumor and no one has heard it?
Let's expand on that rumor he discussed, just for fun, not don't take this serious. Let's pretend there is a conspiracy as is suggested about the Federal Government. You know the one about a shadow Government? Suppose the School Board has a shadow government or shadow School Board, such as the old guard! You know the old guard, Elk Kon nected said they weeded out from getting in to their organization. Then the School Board wouldn't need to have clandestine or secret board meetings, would they? Of course they don't have a shadow School Board do they? But wouldn't that be a heck of a rumor?
Oh my gosh, did I just inadvertently start a new rumor by pretend playing? Sort of the same way with the Superintendent talking about rumors in his letter that I had never heard of?
We will have to wait and see won't we?
And some more about the rumor of people saying the School Board is raising taxes to secretly build a new school building. Just thinking about that, I wouldn't exactly call that a rumor but perhaps a feeling. You see feelings are built and feelings of this nature are built frequently by actions and words.
The School Board shut down our two grade schools with what everyone thought were fabricated excuses and ignored the peoples wishes to keep them open. The people believe the real reason for shutting down the grade schools and moving all the students to the school just outside of Howard was to please Howard.
It's been said, the losing of a school harms a community but that was lost in the shuffle wasn't it? And it is believed that Howard, thinks if they have a Taj Mahal of a school, people will move to Howard. Howard even discussed moving their City limits to encompass the School. Remember?
And please remember, Howard West Elk is that unsightly eyesore in the center of Howard. It is an unsightly albatross that doesn't seem to go away. It is a public safety hazard isn't it? Shouldn't it have a fence around it for the safety of children to prevent children playing close to it or in it? Or do you sit back and wait until some child is hurt before taking preventive actions?
The school board ignored the peoples wishes when they shut down their grade schools and that was followed by ignoring the people when they said "NO" new grade school and the board spent perhaps $50,000.00 or more on architects and ran a bond issue. The school board received another resounding "NO" from the voters!
Then they come back and spent another $50,000.00 or more for architects and contractors, and they follow up with a mail-in survey. That survey was not designed to allow the people to say, "NO" ! It was designed to force the people to accept the construction of a wing on to the present building by only allowing the people to say which part of the wing should be built. Again they received a resounding. "NO". People wrote on the survey "NO" or wrote "REOPEN" the Moline Grade school on the survey forms, or they simply threw the survey away. And even though the school board received a resounding "NO" on their survey, they still spent more money to run a bond issue. And once again received another resounding "NO"!
After recieving the resounding "NO" The School Board President got mad at the school board meeting and angrily said his children would have to do without the peasure of having a brand new gymnasium to play i, a
And he angrily said they needed to get the Bond issue on the upcoming April Ballot. He was then told by a board member that he needed to slow down and that he was going to piss off the voters and he even more angrily stated he didn't care how pissed off the voters got. So just how are the voters suppose to trust the School Board or their judgement? Just explain to us where that trust is suppose to come from, please Mr/ Superintendent?
No, I wouldn't call it a rumor, I would definitely call it a feeling. A very strong feeling of distrust of the West Elk School Board. Related to the School Boards actions.
The Superintendent invited you to come to the School Board meetings, well I agree with that! Come and see how unprofessional their meetings are. Come and see what the kids are being taught. I'm talking about the older kids that are required by their teacher to attend School Board meetings, I assume to learn about school board meetings? Perhaps the idea is to show them how Roberts Rules of Order is not used or how there is absolutely on parliamentary procedure in use. I'm don't know what the teacher is trying to teach by having the students attend the School Board meetings. Does anyone have any idea what the kids are expected to be learning through this exercise? Just something to think about. Sure come on down to the School Board meeting and see what actually goes on.
So why the Political Letter from the School Superintendent? And if he wants to build trust, why spread rumors in his letter? Why can't he understand the people? Why doesn't he understand, he was not elected to the School Board? Why doesn't he understand, he is required to be at the meetings but he is not required to sit on the school board? Why doesn't he understand he is an employee of the School Board the same way the Principal is? The Superintendent is required to be there to make his monthly reports and answer questions for his employer the School Board just as the Principal is also required to be there with his monthly report and to answer questions! And the Principal is sitting in the proper place in the audience. The Superintendent is also required to attend Executive sessions when requested.
Now about that rumor of clandestine or secret board meetings! Nobody else seems to have heard of the rumor and I wonder why that is? Is it possible that the Superintendent threw stories of rumors into his letter just as fillers and to muddy the issue of property tax hikes and to help support the issue of money being placed in an account that merely goes away after 90 minutes?
The Superintendent stated, "The state began flowing the KPERS retirement fund to school districts to show that they had added dollars to school budgets; however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account." The money is then transferred into the School Districts General fund and can then be redistributed to the School District's various accounts.
Of course the money goes away! Nothing mysterious as what he wants to believe! If you had a special account for paying your home mortgage and put money in it to make that payment, and 20 minutes later make that payment to the mortgage company and went back to the account minutes later the money would be gone from that account! What is mysterious about that?
In my opinion the School Superintendent's letter will most likely bring even more distrust of the School Board and the School Administration.
As I pointed out the school Superintendent was shown the Opposition Petition on September 2nd
and on September 4th he released his Political letter. Which, I feel was an attempt to dissuade registered from signing the opposition petition and from doing their civic rights. Otherwise why the rumors?
Were they included just to fill the letter or to muddy the real issue of the letter?
Or did he write the letter to attempt to discredit me?
Well folks I have never asked you to believe any of my opinions, but I have suggested that you discuss them and develop your own opinion. And when I could I gave you a link or as in this occasion an e- mail letter from the State funding body of the state. It has the phone numbers and email address in the e-mail and I suggested that you check out the authenticity of the e-mail by using the phone numbers and the e-mail address. Does the Superintendent do the same thing? "NO". But he does flood the area with his political letter by placing it here on this forum, printing flyers and having them delivered through out the area, and having it printed n the newspaper and having his editor friend support the letter in his new paper on the front page. He also sent a copy of his political letter with each and every student.
I'm tempted to call his actions political propaganda on a mass level, but that might be considered misleading, so I won't call it that?
I don't have access to all the people he does as School Superintendent and I am a not friend with the Newspaper owner. And I don't have the Elk Kon nected Konnection. So I am unable to communicate with everyone as he is. I can not afford the expense of all those flyers! And I doubt the School Superintendent would allow me to use your tax dollars, by using the Schools secretary to post my rebuttal as he has. Or allow me to use the schools copiers and paper and printing ink as he did. And he would not permit me use of the Schools employees to print and distribute my rebuttal and to provide all the people with the State e-mail disputing his letter as he did with his political letter. Do you think he would allow any of that? So why did he do his political letter in that fashion? At the expense of the taxpayers and the school childrens monies?
Should school children be carriers of Political letters from the School Superintendent, I'd really like to hear your opinion on this activity !
Why does the School Superintendent avoid the questions he has raised with his political letter?
Why doesn't the School Superintendent dispute the e-mail from the State that disputes his statement, "When you hear that we received more money that is not the fact." ?
The e-mail says and proves otherwise.
. The Superintendent said, "This mill was necessary because the state reduced their state aid to school districts for Capital Outlay." Well the State did not reduce State Aid to the Capital Outlay, but they did freeze it and I believe at the 2014 level. I believe that means the State neither raised nor lowered the Capital Outlay State aid. The School Board itself lowered the amount of cash in the Capital Outlay fund by spending it on a professional football field and automatic sprinkler systems and only God knows what else! That is money that could have been used towards the cost of the new school bus that the Superintendent alluded to in his letter. The School received increased (extra) funding as explained in the e-mail and it was placed in the Schools General Fund and it is apparently up to them to place the amount of money in the Capitol Outlet Fund that they deem necessary. Therefore, there is really no need to increase the mill levy by the 4 mill the Superintendent said they can take and raising out property taxes in my opinion. And therefore the extra mill is not necessary, huh?
The school also received extra funding when the State raised property values for taxation purposes. That raised the dollar amount of each and every mill taxed on the properties with in the School District.
Once again, I ask you not to believe anything I post, but talk about it and look for verification of the information. I also suggest that you develop your own opinions and not simply accept my opinions.
Does the School Superintendent do the same in his political letter? "NO".
Their Resolution not to exceed 5 years and not to exceed 8 mill did not proper cause for the School Board to warrant such a Resolution. The body of the Resolution was essentially a lie, because it was copied and pasted from a Kansas web site and did not fully apply to West Elk USD-282. Simply type the body of the Resolution in to google and find out for your self. Perhaps the first two lines will do the job for you. That is very deceptive in and of itself. See I never said they were asking for 8 mill, but I believe they would try to if they thought they could do it. But the opposition petition has basically ended that opportunity for the moment.
Trust is earned and can not be demanded.
I've got work to do, so I am out of here for a while.
Reminiscent of the School Board feeding the sports cost of West Elk don't ya think?
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What do you have against sports? Many students get athletic scholarships that help them go to college.
Quote from: proelkco on September 11, 2015, 12:48:28 PM
What do you have against sports? Many students get athletic scholarships that help them go to college.
Nothing against sports!
Thanks for asking.
Wasteful spending for sports, that I have a problem with.
If the school is accepting students from other districts that come without state aid, for the purpose of recruiting sports ---- that I would have a problem with. I believe recruiting for sports in K-12 is illegal isn't it?
If raising the tax levy for sports --- that I'd have a problem with.
By the way how much extra does it cost the taxpayers to drive back and forth to the other school district to Pick up and deliver those 27 non-State supported students?
Will there be Morning and Mid day and evening trips back and forth?
Will there be after school activity trips back and forth?
It seems to me not long back the school was complaining about the cost busing students.
What has changed?
Where is the School Superintendent with answers?
Is he not here because it would not be a political statement for him?
Unlike the County Commissioners Board the School Board does not have an open forum!
Do you suppose that is because they don't want to hear from the voters and citizens?
I mean they haven't even heard the voters when they have actually voted no, now have they?
Before I go do you think the football field was better built for nearly $30,000.00 versus the $7,000.00
that Harrod was going to do it for?
Do you think the School Board treated Harrod's fairly?
You tell me, what's wrong with sports expenses and attitude.
I'm not impressed by some chump change scholarship. How many kids get started with a $200.00 or $500.00 or even a $1000.00 scholarship and end up with serious student loan debts theycan't pay back? Now many of them end up flipping burgers for McDonalds? Have you read any of the warnings about student debt?
Most of the scholarships at high schools are precured by some person that does all the work searching for whatever they can find. And we hear all the clapping at graduation, what we don't hear is what is actually accomplished by the use of those scholarships do we. And they are not all sport scholarships are they?
Sure occassionally a Loudermilk comes along. I know the boy and I have watched him grow up and I watched him play summer baseball at a much younger age. And I recognized him aa a special sports player way back then. He has always been very impressive. And I wish him the very best in whatever he does. He also has a great personality which will bode well for him.
Is West Elk gonna have a Loudermilk every year, doubtful isn't it. I have noticed his little brother is growing quite a bit but will he be able to follow in his brothers foot steps. I don't know. I haven't seen his brother play sports, I haven't followed his little brother. So you tell me will there be another Loudermilk super sport. West Elk would certainly be blessed wouldn't it?
Back at ya.
I am trying to understand!
The West Elk USD 282 writes a personal political letter full of innuendos rumors and provides no dollar amunts od reduction in state aid, litterally gives no solid facts just lip service and you thank him for the facts. What facts, please explain to me.
on the other hand i provide you with solid facts right from the people that provide the educational state aid, with dollar amounts and provide the information so you can check it out yourself and you say nothing. And someone worries about sports and nobody cares about increasing the mill levy and their property taxes. This I totally don't understand! Would some one pleas explain this phenomenon for me?
Here is the e-mail I posted earlier with the facts and the information you can use to verify it:
Quote from: ROSS on September 10, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
What part of deception and mis-information have I failed to provide for here?
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-------Original Message-------
From: Fury, Ian [GO]
Date: 09/10/15 09:38:42
To: I have removed my personal e-mail address and I have changed nothing else.
Subject: Funding for USD 282
Mr. Ross,
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD's general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
I hope my information was helpful. If you have any follow-up questions, don't hesitate to ask!
Sincerely,
-Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Desk: 785-368-8211
Cell: 785-250-5254
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The gentle man from the Governors Administration has provided his e-mail address and phone numbers and I am certain you are as welcome as I am to contact him with any questions you may have.
And remember every one has a boss in a higher position. In this situation the State Government is just that.
So to answer Mr. Moore's letter and specifically"
Let me repeat a portion of the above for clarity:
The money sure is within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account in to the School Districts accounts.
Oh what a deceptive statement, I find that statement Mr Moores post to the Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282.
Once again these are only my opinion and i have provided you with a contact with the Kansas State Government you may contact with any questions. Please be sure to develope your own oppinion.
And feel free to question my post and contact the above named State emlooyee, with my blessings.
I am really feeling stupid right now because I don't understand what you folks are thinking is wrong with actual facts. Please enlighten me. Is this e-mail full of facts or do you think it is full of fiction? I mean there are no rumors in it is there?
Is it that hundreds of thousands of dollars in increase's aren't enough?
What is the problem?
You don't see the School Superintendent disputing this informatin do you?
Oh sure you can count on the fact that he is reading this!
He knows now that he opened a bag of worms and he also knows I will feed them.
If people want the facts they go to a source that knows.
Quote from: proelkco on September 13, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
If people want the facts they go to a source that knows.
What source would that be? Please tell us?
I suppose you might support taxing the elderly out of their homes, because we need more professional sports equipment?
If you were as Pro Elk County as I am, I would think you would have more appreciation and respect for the elderly and the pain caused them by all these exuberant tax hikes by the School District.
Are you saying the State Government isn't the knowledgable source, the very same State Government that provides the State Aid to West Elk USD-282?
Did you bother to check out the source at the top?
Did you bother the check out the facts in the email from the state?
Or will you simply accept someone that has not been authorized by the School Board to write a personal political statement?
You see I am not simply a sheeple?
I was under the understanding that college was suppose to teach doing research to learn!
He said, he is an employee of the School, actually he is an employee of the school board as an administrator of the School.
The truth of the matter is not what you seek is it?
The truth of the matter is:[/quote]
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
This mill was necessary because the state reduced their state aid to school districts for Capital Outlay.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
That's strange because the State says:
Quote from: ROSS on September 10, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Source Ian.Fury@ks.gov, Policy Analyst Kansas Office of the Governor where the money comes from.
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
The state of Kanas changed the funding for school districts this school year to a "block grant" which basically froze school district budgets at the same level as the 2014-2015 budget.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
The School Superintendent says, "basically froze", doesn't that mean they neither raised nor lowered the dollar amount. He said it is at the same level as the 2014-2015 budget didn't he?
Quote from: ROSS on September 10, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD's general fund.
Source Ian.Fury@ks.gov, Policy Analyst Kansas Office of the Governor where the money comes from.
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
When you hear that we received more money that is not the fact.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
But again the state says:
Quote from: ROSS on September 10, 2015, 09:20:48 AM
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Source Ian.Fury@ks.gov, Policy Analyst Kansas Office of the Governor where the money comes from.
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
The state began flowing the KPERS retirement fund to school districts to show that they had added dollars to school budgets; however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
And it is transferred out of that account straight to the West Elk School Districts General Fund Account to distribute to the various accounts.
Source Ian.Fury@ks.gov, Policy Analyst Kansas Office of the Governor where the money comes from.
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
There is currently no information on what that funding formula may look like or how it will impact a school district's ability to educate its students.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
I'll have to get back to you on this one after contacting the Kansas Department of Education or someone else in the Governors office for information. Okay, ok. The request for information has been sent and I wait a reply --- tomorrow sometime of course. Isn't modern technology terrific stuff?
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
. If you would like information on the Open Meetings Act, contact Paula McAlister, the West Elk Board Clerk/Business Manager or you can contact the Kansas Association of School Boards in Topeka at 1-800-432-2471.
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
September 4, 2015
I would ask any tax payer to contact his/her Board of Education representative or contact my office whenever you are presented with information that sounds suspicious.
Bert Moore, Superintendent West Elk USD#282
Or better yet get the KOMA information on your computer straight from the Kansas Attorney General at:
http://ag.ks.gov/legal-services/open-govt/koma-faq
Here is more proof a fact of a large increase in West Elks budget:
Quote from: ROSS on September 06, 2015, 08:37:38 AM
State Aid excluding KPERS, Special Education and Bond & Interest Aid*
275 Logan Triplains 838,815 721,509 724,491 730,743 -12.9%
281 Graham Graham 2,514,255 2,532,178 2,494,835 2,514,854 0.0%
282 Elk West Elk 2,658,989 2,915,014 2,925,185 2,946,507 10.8%
283 Elk Elk Valley 1,481,895 1,534,974 1,540,678 1,552,638 4.8%
Please show me where USD-282 is losing money?
This shows a 10.8% increase in funding.
This is for this year 2015-2016.
Quote from: Paula McAlister on September 04, 2015, 10:48:51 AM
The state began flowing the KPERS retirement fund to school districts to show that they had added dollars to school budgets; however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account. This is where the extra money for school districts came from.
"This is where the
extra money for school districts came from." right into the Districts General into their general fund.
Please note the words
"Extra Money" that would be
A HALF A MILLION (plus) over three years.
Why are the school Board Members so greedy, why is the School Superintendent so greedy?
Please show all of us your source that knows and quote him or her or provide a web link, we all want to know?
Quote from: proelkco on September 13, 2015, 08:49:30 AM
If people want the facts they go to a source that knows.
Right on PROELKCO, don't you know Ross knows all, he is the OBUMA of the Forum.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 13, 2015, 03:36:38 PM
Right on PROELKCO, don't you know Ross knows all, he is the OBUMA of the Forum.
You poor girl or whatever you are. you are easily lead by the nose, aren't you.
You are quite wrong about Ross. Ross doesn't know much at all, except how and who to ask for the truth.
I also know a lot of people that were very glad to sign the opposition petition, and I know they signed it because they don't trust the School Board. And because they are tired of the excessive taxation. I now this because they told me so, when they signed the petition.
Even people that were not registered voters signed it. Of course they were not counted in the final count. But that is how poorly the people feel about the School Board. I would never have gotten the signatures necessary for the petition if that wasn't true.
But talkin about Obuma he is the one that sounds a whole lot like you. He calls people deniers that don't by his lies about global warming and climate change. He puts everyone else down. Go take a look in the mirror do you see a shadow. You really don't understand Obama do you?
I am the only one that has shown solid facts on the subject of taxation. Solid facts from the State Governors people that deal with school funding.
If you care to find out if they are true facts contact the source?
Prove they are not the true facts if you think you are smart enough to do so.
I welcome you to do just that. And provide your sources.
I wasn't a sheeple for
Elk Kon nected and I won't be a sheeple for a School Superintendents personal political Letter with no actual facts and resources. I'll leave that up to people like you.
Try to have a nice day, it's beautiful outside. And I'm headed back out to enjoy the rest of the day myself.
BLAH BLAH ROSS, you are never wrong, you keep babbling about "Elk Connected" and I don't even know what it is. Your day is coming and you are not going to like it.
I got off of the forum and said I would never get on again, PROELKCO know you and your brother and I know you came from one of the best families in Elk County. I also know you are very sharp and dedicated Elk Countians, your family and relatives own a lot of land in Elk County and they will not openly object to more Taxes to help the School system. I let Ross run me off of the Forum, but no more, more people need to raise up and tell him to shove it. Ross thinks the Forum belongs to him, I have had several people tell me they quit the Forum because of Ross. I own land in Elk County and I don not object to more Taxes for the School System.
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
I got off of the forum and said I would never get on again, PROELKCO know you and your brother and I know you came from one of the best families in Elk County. I also know you are very sharp and dedicated Elk Countians, your family and relatives own a lot of land in Elk County and they will not openly object to more Taxes to help the School system. I let Ross run me off of the Forum, but no more, more people need to raise up and tell him to shove it. Ross thinks the Forum belongs to him, I have had several people tell me they quit the Forum because of Ross. I own land in Elk County and I don not object to more Taxes for the School System.
I never told you to get off the forum, you chose to leave.
Otherwise please
quote, where I performed such a stupid stunt.
This is not the only thread on the forum, there is plenty more threads if you can't handle the truth or a discussion. That does not mean get off the forum.
Plenty of taxpayers and voters object to the waste of their money. Or they would not have signed the petition.
If what I have posted is wrong prove it.
What family you come from has absolutely nothing to do with the truth or the property taxes as discussed.
I'm glad you don't object to more taxes, but plenty of people do. It is your right not to object. Just as it is other peoples right to object and sign a petition.
I'm sure if you feel the school needs more money and you want to donate that money to West Elk USD-282, they would be more than happy to accept it. And all those other families you speak of can do the same thing if they so desire.
By the way why do you think the School needs to raise taxes so radically?
The resolution to raise taxes
allowed for objection by petition and the petition was certified and served.
All very
properly performed.
No sir, I don't think the forum belongs to me.
And I have thanked the owners several times for providing this source to get the truth out and be able to converse about it.
I am as much entitled to my opinion as much as you are. Right?
I don't ask the people to believe what I post, but I ask that they check it out.
Two questions for you frawin.
Hasn't Mr. Harrod been one of the biggest school boosters for years?
Do you believe the school board treated Mr. Harrod decently over the professional football field they wanted?
Tell me to shove it, go ahead.
All the while knowing it is very improper and reeks of bullying.
It doesn't change a thing.
It's no big thing to me if you are incapable of a discussion, about the topic of
over taxation by West Elk USD-282.
Do you even have a good argument about it?
Why do you suppose the School Board did not come to the voters for hiking their property taxes?
Could it possibly be because they realize the voters would say
NO once again?
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
I got off of the forum and said I would never get on again, PROELKCO know you and your brother and I know you came from one of the best families in Elk County. I also know you are very sharp and dedicated Elk Countians, your family and relatives own a lot of land in Elk County and they will not openly object to more Taxes to help the School system. I let Ross run me off of the Forum, but no more, more people need to raise up and tell him to shove it. Ross thinks the Forum belongs to him, I have had several people tell me they quit the Forum because of Ross. I own land in Elk County and I don not object to more Taxes for the School System.
Frawin, your statement is just like something Obama or his tyrant Republican comrades would say. Why don't you (and your so-called best Elk County families too) begin donating money to the schools now, instead of waiting to use government force to take money from the people?
You've been educated in government schools and it really shows. It's your foundation. If you'd purchase this Forum, you'd probably expel Ross and the other American conservatives so that you liberals/socialists could discuss the socialist agenda among yourselves without conservative debate or the defense of liberty in America.
There's nothing patriotic about the government school system. Let's hear what you have to say about that and other issues on this Political Category - before you quit the Forum again.
Frawin,
It was refreshing to see you post again. Too bad that Ross
and Red felt they had to be so unkind and unload on you right
away. They both seem so unaccepting of anyone who doesn't
share their beliefs, but can't seem to recognize or admit to their
off putting behavior. And then they wonder why so many gave
up and quit posting. Anyway, it was nice to hear from you again.
Quote from: ddurbin on September 14, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
Frawin,
It was refreshing to see you post again. Too bad that Ross
and Red felt they had to be so unkind and unload on you right
away. They both seem so unaccepting of anyone who doesn't
share their beliefs, but can't seem to recognize or admit to their
off putting behavior. And then they wonder why so many gave
up and quit posting. Anyway, it was nice to hear from you again.
I guess you didn't read Frawins post to realize who had to come on and right off the bat be so unkind and unload me, did you?
So here is a reminder: Who is saying, "shove it"
Who is saying, "Ross thinks the Forum belongs to him" when he knows this is a public
Forum provided by some very nice people. And I know it too!
Who is saying, "I have had several people tell me they quit the Forum because of
Ross." Which is apparently not true because there is no diminishment in
the number of people listed as members.
So DDurbin who struck out right off the bat to be so unkind and unload me?
Quote from: frawin on September 13, 2015, 05:09:46 PM
I let Ross run me off of the Forum, but no more, more people need to raise up and tell him to shove it. Ross thinks the Forum belongs to him, I have had several people tell me they quit the Forum because of Ross.
The truth hurts and that is why all the attacks on me.
Really who can't seem to recognize or admit to their off putting behavior?
Quote from: ddurbin on September 14, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
They both seem so unaccepting of anyone who doesn't share their beliefs
No sir, that is not the problem, you see, you and he haven't said what your beliefs are,
you simply attack.
Do you believe the voters have a right to petition the school board?
Do you believe the voters have a right to demand the school board pay attention to them?
Do you believe the school board should be wasting property owners, taxpayers money?
Do you believe the Superintendent should be writing personal political letters on the job using taxpayers equipment and employes for his own personal letter?
What are your beliefs?
I believe, you won't tell us your beliefs. Please prove me wrong!
I just recieved an e-mail from the Prairie Star Editor asking about the e-mail from the state, which about West Elks State Financing. I did tell her she was welcome to call or e-mail the information in the e-mail to verufy it. Maybe, just maybe they will be unbiased and print the letter. We can only wait and see. huh? I'll be looking for the letter in the Newspaper. If it's not there perhaps the Independence Daily Reporter might be interested in printing it, maybe with an explanation, why I came to them. I'll just be patient and see.
I have been told there is a West Elk School Board meeting this evening. They generally start at 6 p.m. .
Strange, I did not recieve my notification by mail this time and I wonder why? I wonder why? Late mail delivery again?
Perhaps, I was told wrong, but I will be there to find out for sure. It could be a very interesting meeting.
Ya'all come on down like the Superintendent invited you to do in his personal political letter he placed under General Announcements of this forum and that he had hand delivered to various locations in Elk County and sent copies home with each student and had it printed in the local newspaper. Now, that's what I call total saturation on the taxpayers dollar. Amazing job, well done.
Bye-bye ya'all.
I'm tempted to give you a peak at this weeks Prarie Star.
I said tempted.
I'm Sorry it wouldn't be fair to the Newspaper.
And I have to be fair, don't I?
Ross you are a joke. I still don't understand why you are so hateful to posters. Have you ever just sat down and talked to a school board member and tried to understand where they are coming from.
Well there was a West Elk USD School Board meeting afterall.
I guess they didn't want to mail me my notification, for this meeting with the agenda included, like they are suppose to do. Perhaps they didn't want me gloating at their meeting. LOL
Well I didn't gloat, but I did feel sympathy for the bunch of them. Really I did. They just chalked off the so-called 1 mill as if it meant nothing or they were afraid to come to the voters. Poor, poor school board.
No, folks I really believe it was the 8 mill in the resolution that they wanted but chose to continue to call it 1 mill. If there had not been an opposition petition I'm sure the 8 mill would have been taken. Just simply my opinion. Why else the Personal Political Letter from the School superintendent with full saturation and coverage of the West Elk School District and the local newspaper.
But Dr. black did say something that I find bothering! He said he wanted the list of signers on the petition because he may want to call some of them. Well I find that way out of line. What's he going to say that he can't say publicly. Put it in a letter like the Superintendent did and post it on the forum. What purpose can he have for calling the individual voters? He is overstepping his position as a Board Member in my opinion.
No one is obligated to talk to or listen to him. Just hang up, if you wish. Or perhaps tell him you are recording the conversation. I think he is most likely a poor looser or he would not want to bother the voters on this particular subject based on the list.
If you want politically correct look for a liberal somewhere else.
I did have a few folks tell me they would sign except they were afraid of repercussions. One was an employee of the school! Even the school employees don't trust the School Board or the Administration.
Why doesn't Dr. Black just stick to shoving his mouthful of food during the school board meetings. That there is a sight to see and all that chewing, chomp, chomp. No, I'm not being ugly, it's the truth. Come to a meeting and watch for yourself.
But hey back to that business of repercussions for signing the petition.
If anyone and I mean anyone faces repercussions give me a call or a private message we will get together and figure something out.
It wouldn't take to many citizens to wreck havoc on someone's business.
Loosing 10 or 20 customers could be very damaging. I mean if they want to play dirty, it can be a two way street.
"WE" the people sticking together have tremendous power. We stopped a potential 8 mill tax hike on top of a 4 mill tax hike the school board took and did not need. They will most likely continue to raise taxes every year by 4 mill because they can. Not necessarily, because they need it. But because they can.
They have received an incredible amount of extra money from the state and they want you to believe otherwise. They are receiving nearly a half million dollars over a three year period starting last year.
This county counts on every one of its citizens to survive. They can't afford to lose even one customer, if you want to know the truth. We the people, the senior citizens, the rednecks, the working man have the power of the purchase. And in Elk County that is extremely serious business. I bet you didn't know that, did you.
If you receive a phone call from any School Board Member you are under no obligation to listen to them. It is strictly your choice.
I suggest you read this weeks paper for the true facts of the West Elk School Boards financing.
I'm available if you need me. Just private message me, spread the word. I will do everything possible to help anyone that receives retaliation for signing the petition.
Thanks to all that signed, you did a tremendous service for the taxpayers of West Elk USD-282.
Give yourselves a pat on the back.
Did you hear the rumor that Elk Valley USD-283 lowered their tax mill rate after receiving extra money from the state. Now there is a sensible and responsible School District, if the rumor is true.
If it is true Elk Valley School District Citizens were able to enjoy the tax break the county gave them and now a lower tax mill rate from the School District. How sweet that must be, huh?
I think I'll check into that rumor tomorrow.
Quote from: proelkco on September 14, 2015, 07:16:42 PM
Ross you are a joke. I still don't understand why you are so hateful to posters. Have you ever just sat down and talked to a school board member and tried to understand where they are coming from.
What are you talking about?
Hateful to posters?
I find it hateful of you to make such a claim.
And your calling me a joke isn't being hateful?
Really?
Take a look in the mirror buddy!
I attend school board meetings and I hear what they are saying.
Have you attended any school board meetings?
Were you there at a board meeting to here Dr. Black say, "We can raise their taxes by 5 mill without asking them can't we?" He didn't know the max is 4 mill. How long has he been on the board.
Were you there tonight to here him say he wants to call the people on the opposition petition. For what purpose? You tell me!
The board wanted to build a brand new grade school after saying they could not afford to keep even one of the grade schools open that they already owned.
Why?
Was it to build a new grade school near Howard? Is it possible because Howard didn't want to bus their precious children to Moline? Or to Severy?
Isn't it just a continuing tradition in Elk County that everything is for Howard?
I didn't make that up, that was going on long before I moved here.
When they were told no, they came back with wanting to build an extension on to the high school and any fool could tell it was a gymnasium they wanted, not the classrooms. The classrooms were thrown in as a cover or an excuse. They didn't fool the voters and the voters told them NO again!
Were you at the board meeting when the President of the board said, "I guess my kids will have to grow up with out knowing the pleasure of playing in a brand new gymnasium. " In an angry tone of voice? Were you there?
Is that the purpose of board members, to build a new gymnasium for his children to play in at the expense of the property owners?
Were you at the board meeting when the President of the Board said, he didn't care how pissed off the voters got, in an even angrier tone of voice? Huh, were you there?
Does being Pro Elk County mean pro tax the hell out of the people?
Is that what you advocate?
Who is being hateful?
Why ignore the truth and the facts?
Are the truth and the facts hateful?
If so, I plead guilty as charged.
Quote me, where I have been hateful, please!
I am blatantly and bluntly truthful but that is not the same thing as hateful, now is it?
If you want politically correct look of a liberal and quit wasting my money and other taxpayer's money.
The school does take donations if you think they need more money.
The board accepted a $17.87 donation tonight.
I'm sure they will accept a much larger donation from you to make up that money that the Superintendent said the school did not get.
Don't be hateful write that big ole check now, if you believe the Superintendents story.
again your whole post is hateful
Ross is not hateful in his stand against tyranny.
Were the founding fathers hateful because they stood against the tyrants?
America has just about surrendered the founding fathers' stand against tyranny by creating government tyranny in America.
The patriots defended individual liberty and the modern liberals are for government tyrants stealing more and more our liberty.
How can anyone say that government schools represent or stand for liberty?
Obama and the Republicans are tyrants.
Quote from: proelkco on September 14, 2015, 10:15:37 PM
again your whole post is hateful
You just keep saying that, it means nothing.
Your attack of this nature is futile.
Apparently you don't like the truth so you call it hateful.
If you appreciate the truth, why do you hide behind a fake name?
And apparently you don't care about hurting the elderly by over taxing them and wasting their money.
Now that is hateful for sure.
Perhaps Frawin you can answer a few questions about your beliefs!
Durbin couldn't or wouldn't.
When remarks like this one are made, it needs to be clarified.
Or will the game continue?
Quote from: ddurbin on September 14, 2015, 07:53:57 AM
Frawin,
They both seem so unaccepting of anyone who doesn't
share their beliefs,
No sir, that is not the problem, you see, you and he haven't said what your beliefs are,
you simply attack.
Do you believe the voters have a right to petition the school board?
Do you believe the voters have a right to demand the school board pay attention to them?
Do you believe the school board should be wasting property owners, taxpayers money?
Do you believe the Superintendent should be writing personal political letters on the job using taxpayers equipment and employees for his own personal letter?
What are your beliefs?
Instead of being hateful, try being truthful.
Oh, the State has no set plan for financing after next year. The School Superintendent was truthful about that. So don't you suppose he should tell his School Board to be ultra conservative!
I have it from a good source that the governor will be pushing a plan that will direct more money into the classroom for actual education. Some of it is to include teacher pay raises and merit increases for exceptional teachers. Don't ya reckon that's a good idea? Spend more of the money into the classroom for education and less for sports.
Do ya reckon the School Boards need more direction from the state government?
But we have to wait and see what the state does don't we?
I know it's all hateful, right? Especially if the state is going to tell the Schools how to spend theor money, right?
Just like it is hateful to tell the school board to stay out of our bank accounts and to stop wasting money, right?
Red, of course Ross is not against his stand in Tyranny, he is the biggest tyrant on the Forum. Try disagreeing with him and he goes bonkers.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 15, 2015, 05:43:57 AM
Red, of course Ross is not against his stand in Tyranny, he is the biggest tyrant on the Forum. Try disagreeing with him and he goes bonkers.
Did you even read the School Board's Resolution?
What do you know about the West Elk USD-282 School District School Board and their taxation habits?
I would really like to know Joesue?
What is the maximum mills they can tax us? Just a simple number will do!
Who collects those taxes?
And once collected where do they go?
Where do they go from there?
Tell us Joesue?
Do you think the school needs to tax the elderly into homelessness?
The school board last night accepted defeat by the opposition petition with a whimper!
Does that sound like they really needed the Resolution that was not to exceed 8 mill and not to exceed 5 years?
Do you feel the people have the right to have a say in their school Government?
If the Resolution would not have been opposed how much of the 8 mills do you think the School Board have taken?
The Board voted to accept one mill of the 8 mill, what would have kept them from coming back after the other 7 mill?
These are all very simple questions!
How many of them can you answer correctly?
You should know something before calling people names and making threats!
I have done something with the backing of the people and for the people of Elk County!
It falls under the area of "Quality of Life" that
Elk Kon nected claimed to be doing and can't even define it.
I understand yoou have said you don't know what
Elk Kon nected is, but that is because you don't live here and have sero knowledge of any of the facts. And that is alright.
But to be abusive with know knowledge is just completely wrong of you.
Why are you asking JoeSue, don't you have all the answers?
Quote from: proelkco on September 15, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
Why are you asking JoeSue, don't you have all the answers?
No, I don't have all the answers, but I have the answers to these questions. Do you?
Can't Joesue answer simple questions after attacking me? Just what does she know about West Elk USD-282?
How about you, you attack me as hateful without justification. can you help Joesue answer some simple questions?
Surely you to can call someone to give you the answers?
How about this simple question! How much extra money has/will West Elk recieved from the state for this three year block grant period?
Hint: It is posted in this thread and is suppose to be printed in the Prairie Star tomorrow.
Now tell me how hateful that last post really is?
Who is proelkco, are you afraid to come out into the open?
What business does School Board Member Black have with calling the people that signed the petition other than possibly intimidation?
He has never mentioned calling any voters before this?
So tell us Proelkco. what business does he have calling them?
Hateful again
Quote from: proelkco on September 16, 2015, 10:33:01 AM
Hateful again
So this must be the extent of you intellect and ability to have a conversation.
So sorry to hear that?
You accuse me of being a know it all and I respond I don't?
I ask a few questions to learn what you know about the financing of West Elk USD-282 which I do happen to know the answers to.
I ask who you are and why you hide behind a fictious name .
I ask you why a board member thinks he has to call people on the petition, if it's not for intimidiation, what then? Especially since he has never mentioned calling voters before!
And you call it hateful to try to have a conversation and to learn something.
That is just terrible communication skills in my opinion.
I hope the attitude corrects itself.
I'm anxious to get the paper today, are you?
It is a chance for everyone to read the truth. If the editor sticks to her word that is.
Everyone should read the letter in the Prairie Star written by USD Superintendent Bert Moore, it shows how big a blowhard some people are. I think most of you know what I am talking about. It is a sad thing that someone is always trying to damage the West Elk School and the Hardworking dedicated people that serve on the School board in most case with little or no compensation.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 16, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Everyone should read the letter in the Prairie Star written by USD Superintendent Bert Moore, it shows how big a blowhard some people are. I think most of you know what I am talking about. It is a sad thing that someone is always trying to damage the West Elk School and the Hardworking dedicated people that serve on the School board in most case with little or no compensation.
That letter was purely political to attempt to dissuade the voters from signing the opposition petition and it failed. Even with total saturationof the West Elk USD-282 School District.
However, the opposition petition did not fail.
So moving on to the truth, okay.
Joesue everyone should read this weeks paper and learn the truth.
Read the response from the Governor's office.
The response is inside the front page and an e-mail address is included so you can verify the information for themselves.
Yes Joesue I'm a blowhard.
A blowhard that believes in the truth.
Lots of extra dollars for West Elk.
If you know so much about West Elk Fianances how come you failed to answer a few simple questions.
Thanks go out to Jenny the editor of the Prarie Star.
Also read Mr. moores letter right below the one printed under mine.
So who's lying?
Why did Superintendent Moore take on 27 kids from another school district that recieves state aid for them and West Elk Does not?
Is the Superintendent creating a financial problem for West Elk and the taxpayers?
He said it will cost $8000.00 per student, that would be $216,000,00 total!
Why?
Why ask the taxoayers to pay for the state aid being recieved by another school?
Why are you taking on 27 students from out of district?
How many will be playing sports?
Is that the main purpose for creating such a financial problem for West Elk?
What other reason could there be?
Is this why he raised our taxes by 4 mill?
To pay extra for kids from another school?
Please tell us Superintendent Moore.
You mentioned in the newspaper that the message from the Governors office was on this thread.
Therefore I think it is safe to assume you read it here.
Superintendent Moore can write letters, so can I, so can you.
I felt Superintendent Moore wanted to ramp up this situation, so why just stop at two Deputy Commissioners.
Why not go whole hog or stay at home?
I included the Education Commissioner of KSDE and both of his deputies and the Governors office as well as Ian Fury, Policy Analyst, Kansas Office of the Governor.
And I am happy to share my letter with all of you:
http://www.governor.ks.gov/serving-kansans/constituent-services/legislation-and-policy-issues
Commissioner
Randy Watson
785-296-3202
rwatson@ksde.org
Deputy Commissioner
Craig Neuenswander
785-296-3872
craign@ksde.org
Deputy Commissioner
Dale M. Dennis
785-296-3871
ddennis@ksde.org
Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Desk: 785-368-8211
Cell: 785-250-5254
Sirs,
I am looking for information and trying to understand as much as I possibly can about USD-282 funding.
I really never tried to understand until now and it is because of a number of events with West Elk USD 282.
First they shut down the two grade schools in the district even though most people were against it.
Then they wanted to build a brand new grade school and they spent a considerable amount of money on architects and contractors, even though once again the people were against the idea, due to a shrinking population.
They ran a bond issue and were told "NO".
Then they come back and spend lots of money on architects and contractors again to design a wing on the present building and yes, they sensed the people would vote against the idea because they spent money on a mail-in survey. They did not set the survey up to allow for a vote of no. It was set up to ask what should be built first the gymnasium or 4 classrooms and so on. Many of their surveys that came back were marked "reopen the Moline Grade School and /or the Severy Grade School or marked NO. I know a few people that threw their survey in the trash.
They did the bond issue and were told "NO" again.
It is my opinion they ran the present Resolution to avoid asking the voters for another mill levy tax increase because they would most likely be told "NO".
They put a Resolution in the Prairie Star, our local paper to raise our taxes not to exceed 8 mill and not to exceed 5 years, on July 22 and 29, 2015. The people of this district are pretty much fed up with the continual property tax increases. But personally I was thinking more of the elderly, people in their 80's that are having a hard time. One 83 year old couple in particular comes to mind, they caught the flu last winter and could not afford to pay for a prescription of tamiflu to help them overcome the flu. And yes, sirs I am a senior citizen as well, I am 69 years old and on a fixed income and I find the taxation unreasonable.
I took it on myself to write an Opposition petition. I had to study the law and learn what was needed to accomplish the job. Our County Clerk informed me that I needed 122 registered voters' signatures from USD 282 region. I ended up with 139 signatures and turned in the petition on Sept, 2, 2015. The County Clerk Certified 130 signatures and took it to the school. She called me the next morning on Sept 3, 2015and said, Ross you are going to be mad at me. I said no, I doubt it. She said she made a mistake in the numbers and had forgot to count the number of voters in Chautauqua and Greenwood Counties that are registered to vote in USD 282. She said I would be required to get 40 more signatures to have the 10% required. She said since it was her error I would be permitted to retain the signatures already acquired. I said fine and got to work.
September 4, 2015 I noticed the following letter posted on our local forum from the school superintendent and felt it was an attempt to dissuade voters from signing the opposition petition after he had read the petition The letter did fail to work. The letter was posted on the internet at: http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,17105.0.html and it was printed and delivered to various retail business in the school district and a copy sent home with every student, and printed in the Prairie Star. I do believe total saturation of the school district was accomplished.
I had never heard of the rumor that Superintendent Moore says is happening and neither has anyone I have asked, the rumor that the School Board was having clandestine or secret board meetings.
I think if Superintendent would have said there is considerable distrust for the board, he would have been more truthful.
I did meet a few people that thought the USD 282 wanted to raise our taxes to build a new school and I told them no and that I very seriously doubted that was the goal. But any way here is the Superintendents letter:
September 4, 2015
TO: Parents, Patrons, and Tax Payers of West Elk USD#282
FROM: Bert Moore, Superintendent of Schools
I am an employee of West Elk USD#282 and I am also a concerned citizen and tax payer who thinks it is time to set the record straight on the business affairs of the West Elk USD#282 School District. I have heard rumors of secret meetings, plotting to hide things from the public, and a suspicious Board action to raise the Capital Outlay mill levy by an additional 8 mills. These are all false statements that are being touted by someone who does not have the correct information.
West Elk is a "public" school district and its' Board of Education is tied to rules of order which include abiding by the Open Meetings Act. This Act enforces a code of conduct that does not allow for "secret meetings" or "plotting to deceive" the public. All Board meetings are open to the public; unfortunately, some patrons only come for parts of meetings and then leave before business has been acted on which leads to interesting twists in the action taken by the West Elk Board of Education when this person shares information with others. I invite any patron of West Elk to attend a Board of Education meeting. If you would like information on the Open Meetings Act, contact Paula McAlister, the West Elk Board Clerk/Business Manager or you can contact the Kansas Association of School Boards in Topeka at 1-800-432-2471.
There is a misperception being shared that the Board is raising 8 "additional" Capital Outlay mills to support "building an elementary school". Since the last bond election failed in 2014 the Board has not considered or discussed holding another bond election. The mill, and it is 1 (one) mill, that is being petitioned against was voted on by the West Elk Board of Education to secure the annual payment for the lease between the district and the Neodesha Bank that permitted the Board to re-roof ALL of the main facility and replace the heating and air units which were 30 years old. Yes, the Board gave themselves authority to go up to an additional 4 mills in Capital Outlay by capping Capital Outlay at 8 mills. The Board already has authority to go as high as 4 mills. When the 2015-2016 budget was voted on, a motion was made to raise 1 (one) additional mill (approximately $19,977) across all tax payers of the district in order to not spend down the $186,000 in reserve Capital Outlay funds. This mill was necessary because the state reduced their state aid to school districts for Capital Outlay. Please keep in mind that Capital Outlay is the only fund that is available in the West Elk budget at this time to support the purchasing of a vehicle or bus (if needed) or repairs to another area of the campus (if needed). There are strict rules on how Capital Outlay funds may be applied. The lease agreement is a 10 year lease. The last time West Elk purchased a bus, the cost was $82,000 for ONE bus! Without the extra mill, the district will have to spend down the Capital Outlay reserve fund.
The state of Kanas changed the funding for school districts this school year to a "block grant" which basically froze school district budgets at the same level as the 2014-2015 budget. When you hear that we received more money that is not the fact. The state began flowing the KPERS retirement fund to school districts to show that they had added dollars to school budgets; however the money is deposited and within 90 minutes is transferred out of the account. This is where the extra money for school districts came from. The state also reduced its funding for Capital Outlay equalization aid as well as Local Option Budget state aid. This reduction in state aid is what will cause a raise in the mill levy, not 8 "additional Capital Outlay mills being used to save for a new building".
The state of Kansas legislators plan to develop a new funding formula for schools that will be applied during the 2017-2018 school year. There is currently no information on what that funding formula may look like or how it will impact a school district's ability to educate its students. West Elk has an additional 26 students this school year and we will receive NO state aid for these additional students.
It saddens me that so many people have been misled by information that lacked the facts. I would ask any tax payer to contact his/her Board of Education representative or contact my office whenever you are presented with information that sounds suspicious. Our budget is an open document available for public inspection. Board meetings are open meetings so please exercise your right to attend a Board meeting or contact a Board member or me for the facts. I work closely with the West Elk Board of Education to ensure that we provide adequate funding so that West Elk students receive the absolute best education in the state of Kansas at a reasonable cost to the taxpayers.
Bert Moore, Superintendent West Elk USD#282
I followed up his letter with an e-mail I sent to the Prairie Star newspaper from Ian Fury
Policy Analyst Kansas Office of the Governor:
Mr. Ross, I'm happy to respond to your inquiry. These are the state funding numbers for West Elk.
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD's general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
-Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Desk: 785-368-8211
Cell: 785-250-5254
And this letter to the editor was followed immediately by:
USD 282 administrator adds more information
Bert Moore, USD 282 superintendent, he sent a copy of Mr. Ross' letter (already printed on a local internet forum) along with Moore's articles printed in last week's Prairie Star to Dale Dennis and Craig Neuenswander at the Kansas State Department of Education who are in charge of school Finance.
Moore said the "aid " which the Governors office referenced above is the result of the lawsuit that required th state to equalize the full budget authority for Local Option Budget and Capital Outlay that the state owed West Elk with a 30% LOB and 4 mills of Capital Outlay.
"Our aid in 2014 –15 was based on student head count and weightings which went up last year," said Mr. Moore. "The governor's office is taking credit office is taking credit for us having more students and getting more aid last year. We have NO new pot money. Districts were flat funded for 2015-16 and 2016-17based on their 2014-15 budget."
Moore said the state does not allude to their reduction in state aid under the block grant for Capital Outlay state aid or LOB state aid. "The Governors office did NOT provide West Elk district with any additional aid. In fact the 26 new students with weighting averaging $8,000 you can see the aid we will not receive this year or next year," the superintendent said.
"Smoke and mirrors are at play," said Moore. "The Governors office has publicly stated that the school finance budgets are too confusing for legislators to understand and thus the need for a new funding formula; however they rolled KPERS into the General Fund this year it did inflate our General Fund.."
Moore said he would keep local taxpayers informed about the KSDE's response to his letter, and allegations that the Governor Office had provided additional funding, which he said ... it simply has not.
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A friend sent me this information by e-mail:
After you left this morning I was talking to a school board member in another district. He says you are wrong about something. He said on a certain day in Sept the school does a head count. That count is how much state aid you get for the amount of kids no matter what district they come from. There is something about doing a 3 year "estimate" for your head count but it's a loop hole his friend thinks will be closed before long. Also, for example, your son comes to Longton although he is in west Elk district, he has to sit out one semester of sports before he can participate in Longton sports---unless---west elk gives their permission which most schools won't do. Who is right--I don't know--just telling you what the school board member said.
Can anyone verify and or clarify this information?
Do students coming from a different district bring state aid with them to the accepting school district?
Are students coming from a different district allowed to play sports for the receiving districts?
Why would 26 students this year and 32 students last year leave their district to go to school in another district? What district are they coming from?
I can understand one or two and even seven or eight, but not 26 and 32!
Why is the school Superintendent recruiting students for some reason at the expense of property owners? Per his letter it is 26 students without State aid at $8,000 per student or $208,000.
We are a county with a small population and we are considered a poor county and we may still be the highest taxed county in Kansas. We need tax relief which would require sensible use of tax dollars in my opinion.
The school board determined they needed a professional football. So they hired a local man and his business to crown the field for a mere $7000. The man and his business has been a school booster for many years and I'm sure he was going to do an excellent job. But the school board without discussing with the man told him to remove his tons of dirt from their football field. Then they hired another company to do the job, for something in the area of $25 to $30,000, I do not know the exact amount at the moment. Plain wasteful of the peoples tax dollars in my opinion.
If the school district is having financial problems such as Mr. Moore indicates why would they take 26 students from another school district without state aid?
I would like to know the total amounts of state aid for West Elk USD-282 for the following years, please. 2011-2012, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016, 2016-2017.
I would also like the total number of students enrolled at West Elk USD-282 for 2011-2012, 2012-2013, 2013-2014, 2014-2015, 2015-2016.
Others and I have asked that the school board video school board meetings and post them on the West Elk school web sight. The Superintendent informed me they would have to hire someone to do it and then have to send them out to be edited and that it would cost too much. The school board has done the exact same thing for a non-board meeting, they only allowed 3 board members in the video at a time. This form of 21st century is readily available and we have a technician has done the job before, this type of transparency is what is needed for the voters and taxpayers (aged or employed) unable to attend school board meetings.
I am looking for clarity and transparency.
Please see the attached letter.
In fact, I would appreciate an article in our local paper, the Prairie Star and a digital copy for me to post on our local forum if at all possible.
What is the truth? Simple layman language would be terrific.
Any answers will be greatly appreciated?
Sincerely,
L. W. Ross
I really did not expect a response from anyone until next week considering this is Friday.
I recieved a response from Dale M. Dennis, Deputy Commissioner of Education which I found to be very non-committal, you know like a politician. He answered no questions?
Not one of these questions were answered answered:
Do students coming from a different district bring state aid with them to the accepting school district?
Are students coming from a different district allowed to play sports for the receiving districts?
Why would 26 students this year and 32 students last year leave their district to go to school in another district? What district are they coming from?
I can understand one or two and even seven or eight, but not 26 and 32!
Why is the school Superintendent recruiting students for some reason at the expense of property owners?
Per his letter it is 26 students without State aid at $8,000 per student or $208,000.
Perhaps one of the other reciepients of my letter may provide a better response.
I just recieved an e-mail from Dale M. Dennis, Deputy Commissioner of Education, Kansas State Department of Education. I find his response rather non-commital on his part. And my bet is Superintendent Moore won't get any better response than I did. But if you notice he said nothing about the extra money the Govornors Analyst said was paid to West Elk. Non-committal just like a politician.
The e-mail:
Mr. Ross:
I have reviewed the materials you sent with your e-mail including documents from the superintendent and the Governor's office.
You seem to have a good background on this subject so I would take the superintendent up on his offer to sit down with any patron/taxpayer and go through the budget of USD #282 in detail.
A table which provides a history of state, federal, and local revenue as well as enrollment and expenditures can be accessed via the link below. Additional statistics can be accessed on the School Finance Website.
http://ksde.org/Portals/0/School%20Finance/data_warehouse/total_expenditures/d0282exp.pdf
Dale M. Dennis
Deputy Commissioner of Education
Kansas State Department of Education
(785) 296-3871
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MAIN: (785) 296-3871 – 900 SW Jackson Str. – Suite 354 -- Topeka, KS 66612
Be sure to check out the link he provides but keep in mind the information does not cover the information we are interested in. The link: http://ksde.org/Portals/0/School%20Finance/data_warehouse/total_expenditures/d0282exp.pdf
When I hear from the others I will post as soon as possible.
Amount Per Pupil
School Year State Aid
2013-2014 $10,765
per http://ksde.org/Portals/0/School%20Finance/data_warehouse/total_expenditures/d0282exp.pdf
And this year the Superintendent says it is only $8000.
But lets suppose it is the same as the 2013 - 2014 year level of $10,765 per student.
26 students would then cost taxpayers $279,890 while their school districts profits by that amount.Don't you want to know
WHY?
You're paying 'em to indoctrinate your kids in a local school that doesn't even belong to you with school board members who are committed to rubber stamp more government control - over you.
Patriots or Bolsheviks running the schools?
Why use the word bogus. what's wrong with calling a lie ---- a lie?
Oh, it's not politically correct language is it?
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KC Star repeats BOGUS
claim on school funding
Posted by Dave Trabert on Monday, September 21, 2015
A good portion of a recent KC Star editorial appears to be a regurgitation of Duane Goossen's bogus commentary for the Kansas Center for Economic Growth, an organization that favors high spending, high taxes and is afraid to come out in public and defend their claims against those who can expose their false claims. A link to his piece is included in my blog post that shows how he tortures the truth.
The Star and Goossen (who may be the only state budget director ever involved in a Securities and Exchange Commission indictment for misrepresenting facts) both refer to "General Classroom Aid" as though it is an official form or aid, but they both know that that is not true. The Star didn't capitalize the term as did Goossen but they get no pass for that; they repeated his claim (without attribution) that GCA is down $6 million. The claim is false because there is no such thing as general classroom aid! The state provided multiple funding sources in the old formula - including some that were authorized by the state but not run through the state general fund budget - but only local school districts and superintendents decide how much money goes to Instruction....legislators and governors have no control over the amount of money allocated to Instruction.
Total funding increased nearly $2 billion over the last ten years. Instruction spending, only available through FY 2014, increased by $845 million since 2005 without counting a dollar of KPERS. That $845 million represents a 32% increase in per-pupil spending while inflation was 21%; the increase could have been even more
if local school boards had chosen to direct some of their increased spending on other operating areas to Instruction,
had chosen to operate other areas more efficiently and spent the savings on Instruction or used some of their unused aid from prior years instead of holding it in cash reserves.
(I skipped a bunch you can go to the link at the bottom of this page to read the whole story)
The claim is false because there is no such thing as general classroom aid! The state provided multiple funding sources in the old formula - including some that were authorized by the state but not run through the state general fund budget - but only local school districts and superintendents decide how much money goes to Instruction....legislators and governors have no control over the amount of money allocated to Instruction.27% of students who graduated from Kansas high schools in 2013 and attended university in Kansas signed up for remedial training (Kansas Board of Regents); no data is available on students who went out of state or attended a private college.
The whole story at:
http://www.kansaspolicy.org/KPIBlog/128813.aspx
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 23, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
I just finished reading the Prairie Star.I see there will be a legislative luncheon at the Senior Center in Howard on the 29th.
Ain't that just dandy! Are you gonna be there?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 23, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
I'll bet a certain person is too chicken to show up and tell it like he thinks it is. Face to face... get "the truth" out in a room with people who have the reins.
Why do you have to be such a low life back stabbing fool?
Why can't you be decent and call me by name when you are backstabbing me?
I tell it like it is, if you had any decency you'd do the same.
Any body with any leadership ability or knowledge would know better.
I have no need to show up.
Remember the petition you said was just a piece of paper that carried no weight, well it carried plenty of weight. It kept the School District from raising our property taxes another 8 mill over and above the 4 mill they already took. I proved my point, what is your point and can you back it up?
And it did not take an organization to do the petition, did it?
In fact our famous organization
Elk Kon nected failed to even give any thought to the
"Quality of Life" episode for the elderly of Elk County. And that is my opinion, and I stand by it.
And my letter in the newspaper proved the school had a lot of extra money. And that we were being bullshitted. And Mr. Moore's letter right below mine proved a
Kon nection! And they had a special gray box for show. It also proved the letter, I posted was truthful about a ton of extra money. Mr. Moore claimed it was money that the school already had coming. Be that as it may they have all that extra money even though Mr. Moore calls it something else.
Anyone with a couple of brain cells can see he did not deny the amount of money, no matter what he calls it. And he failed to support what he said with any facts. I do believe the analysis is more than satisfactory proof.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 23, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
I hope they get a good turn out again this year.Since it requires reservations, he'll use that as an excuse not to go... or several other excuses in his personal handbook for cynics and complainers.
I don't need an excuse, I have no intention of going. Apparently you failed to understand Mr. Moore's letter when he quoted the Governor as saying the school budgets are too difficult for legislators to understand. I don't even think Mr. Moore understands it, fully. Or he would not have made the remarks he did about the extra money being owed to the school with out facts to back it up.
Have you ever seen the audit of West Elk done by a professional company?
No I bet you haven't. And you didn't read the letter attached, that said only for the administrator and school board, did you? I posted it and put a link where it could be downloaded. Those two pages included! You see Diane, the company can't legally do that, because the audit and everything is public information.
I bet you didn't know that either, did ya?
Just like the petition on paper with no weight?
You should learn before you bad mouth and back stab someone, don't ya think?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 23, 2015, 02:00:24 PM
The town hall meetings that are held here can be very interesting.I'm expecting Joe Biden to decide one way or the other in a week or so.
I wonder how long Trump will keep playing around.
Oh yea, I'm moving this over to the Elk Konnected thread so everyone can see what you do?
As always it's a pleasure to set you straight.
Good night Diane Keep your knives nice and sharp. LOL
Here is a decent question for you Diane as the highly educated retired teacher that you claim you are. And I hope you can have a decent answer.
What business does the West Elk Superintendent have for taking 26 students from a different School Diatrict and asking the West Elk School District property owners to pay in excess of $200,000.00 to educate them?
That is what he said 26 students at $8000.00 each!
I believe the actual cost to be much, much more, but lets pretend his $8000.00 for each student is right for the moment, okay?Why ?
That is a very important question and deserves a very decent answer !
The quesiton i would be asking is why are we AND YEs i include myself as well since i am also in the district and taxes come from me as well, paying for someone elses spawn of satan to be indoctrinated. Thats theft of tax money by the fools in charge
Personally i think we need to get a pot of tar and raid a chicken house soon
.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 24, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
Since I was asked the question, I think the parents of those kids, who are apparently moved for sports, how they feel about someone elses tax money being spent on their kids.
That would be
illegal. Recruiting for sports in Public Schools K-12 is
illegal Diane.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 24, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
Does it go the other direction for other sports?
I am not 100% sure but I don't believe so.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 24, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
Apparently they have to borrow each others kids to have enough to make up various teams?
NO, it is not apparent!
See if you lived here you might know and understand.
It is
illegal to recruit for sports in Kansas Public Schools K-12.
They could do as Elk Valley USD 283 has done and merge their students for sports with Fredonia USD 484 . And it is an after school activity for practice and most games. And it is
legal. The students stay at their own schools for education.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 24, 2015, 07:52:08 AM
How do the parents feel? Apparently this has been common practice for sometime.
There is that Liberal train of thought again,
Common Practice !It is
illegal Diane so where does
Common Practice come into practice with something illegal?
The question was about property owners paying
$200,000.00 for students that are not part of the West Elk School District. It wasn't asking about the parents of the other School District or about the
$200.000.00 the other School gets and does not have to spend on educationg those stuednts that our Districts want to tax us for. Here is the question, with no changes not even the typographical error, for you to review:
Quote from: ROSS on September 23, 2015, 06:38:42 PM
What business does the West Elk Superintendent have for taking 26 students from a different School Diatrict and asking the West Elk School District property owners to pay in excess of $200,000.00 to educate them?
That is a very important question and deserves a very decent answer !
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
I guess the petition date has come and gone. I wonder what will happen next ?
Well Diane I thought you had contacts and inside information in Elk County, Kansas.
But if you paid attention to details and read with comprehension you owuld know at the last School Board meeting the School Board Whimpered and accepted that Petition on a piece of paper with no weight behind it and there will be no taxes connected with their 8 mill resolution.
And that happened 2 weeks ago.
Get it in gear and try t stay caught up.
And remember Diane it did not take an Organization. Just 1 person with the support of many taxpayers and we did it together.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on September 08, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
I was recently sent information that your sports teams out there really do hop schools and districts to make up teams.
Just where do you get all your lousy information?
Shouldn't you start questioning your sources?
Like the Petition being just a piece of paper with no weight --- that one was really feeble for even you to believe!
Perhaps i should be happy I don't have one of them diploma things from some liberal college.
Yep. I reckon I am happy not to have one.
I just got around to reading my newspaper, because I have had a very busy week.
I noticed in the Public Notice section that USD 283 has posted a Resolution Capital Outlay Tax Levy for an annual tax levy for a continuous and permanent period of years not too exceed 8 mills.
I found the wording quite interesting, because it was a bit different from West Elks Resolution.
That would be Elk Valley USD 283 in Longton.
I can understand why they are doing this, and it is because of totally different reasons than what West Elk USD 282 was doing.
No. I am not going into the details because, I don't live in that School District, nor do I vote in the School District.
I bet the people that live in that School District understand their situation.
I'm just saying, I don't oppose tax increases that are done for the right purposes.
It is my opinion that West Elk USD 282 School Board raises taxes just because they can.
Remember the School Superintendent said, they can raise our taxes 4 mill with out our say and gave no legitimate reason to do so.
After attending many school board meetings at West Elk USD 282, I feel very safe in saying they have no concern for the taxpayers because, they spent so much time talking about raising taxes at almost every meeting. And this year they showed no reguard for their budget, because they over spent it by $1100.00.
Show me a respectful board meeting.
Show me a board of education that cares about the taxpayer and voters.
Show me a proper school board meeting.
Show me a technically advanced, educated school board.
Show me a 21st Century board meeting with some class.
Show me a board that wants the public to know what they are doing.
Show me a video of the board meetings posted on the West Elk USD 282 web site, just like the one the board did, but was not a board meeting because it was only 3 board members on camera. (Oh, that was not a secret board meeting that Mr. Moore said he heard rumors about!)
If you happen to see three board members speaking, that is not a secret school board meeting. To have a school board meeting you must have a quorum of 4 board members to make the proceedings of that meeting valid. Isn't that correct Mr. Moore?
I hope this might help put the rumor the School Superintendent spoke of, to rest.
Hearsay, rumor, lie
your choice!
Call it what you like!
It's just open for discussion!
I happen to trust my sources, sorry, I am not at liberty to reveal their names.
Last Nights County commissioners meeting.
I missed the meeting, durn it.
Durn it why? Because, I would prefer first hand information.
The discussion: Placement of the new Emergency Medical Building for the EMS ambulance.
I was told there were probably ten people at the meeting to provide property in Howard for the building.
One piece of property, supposedly, next to the nursing home.
Remember all the talk about Howard being the center of Elk County when discussions were on about building a new grade school and how important that was? Very important right?
Well I guestimated miles utilizing Google Earth which put Howard at almost the center of the county, see list below:
Approximate miles used
Howard to NE corner of the county 18.87 miles
Howard to SE corner of the county 20.09 miles
Howard to NW corner of the county 17.21 miles
Howard to SW corner of the county 18.43 miles
Approximately 1 ½ miles off center of the county.
Well, I'm told the commissioners think it should be built on the rodeo grounds at highways 160 & 99. Approximately 7 miles south of Howard.
For some reason Commissioner Liebau supposedly remarked that would put the Ambulance 8 minute closer to his mothers home. When someone asked about their own mothers house he supposedly said, I guess she will have to wait an extra 8 minutes.
It was also said the Commissioner Liebau supposedly also made the remark that he is a commissioner and his job is to make policy and spend money and will do so until he is voted out.
I do believe this is the problem of politicians, they forget that their most important function is to be fair and to work for the majority of the people and to compromise when possible.
Their job is not to report how powerful they are, that is just the wrong attitude.
And the thing about spending money should be tendered with common sense and wisdom.
Not an attitude of I got money to spend, just however I want.
One gentleman that attended the meeting went to the court house wanting the tape recording via the Freedom of Information Act. conveniently or not the tape had stopped. ? ? ?
Are decisions and policy only to be about the Commissioners convenience or the public in general?
Just my opinion folks! But attitude is very important in my opinion.
Mr. Liebau's mother passed away in 1999 so that is bullshit and gossip. Learn your facts before you post.
WY to go Pro, I would venture this is not the first lie that Toss has told to try to swing people in his direction. I know Ken Liebau and His Wife' and Family and they would not tell a lie . Now see what Blab-Blab comes from this post in defense of the original lie.
Quote from: proelkco on September 30, 2015, 09:22:08 AM
Mr. Liebau's mother passed away in 1999 so that is bullshit and gossip. Learn your facts before you post.
Could he have possibly been talking about his mother-in-law.
But really I did not say any of it was fact !
I said it was hearsay.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 30, 2015, 06:08:40 PM
WY to go Pro, I would venture this is not the first lie that Toss has told to try to swing people in his direction. I know Ken Liebau and His Wife' and Family and they would not tell a lie . Now see what Blab-Blab comes from this post in defense of the original lie.
You wouldn't know a lie if you heard it.
I made it quite clear it was hearsay, because i could not attend the meeting.
Keep trying. But, it is a waste of your time.
You never did answer any of the questions I asked about the West Elk USD-282 taxation.
And yoou have had plenty of time to study and learn something about it.
Whats wrong, no interest?
Ken Liebaus Mother-in-law passed away years ago also.
If it is all hearsay, why post it? Post facts not gossip.
Quote from: proelkco on October 01, 2015, 06:04:08 AM
If it is all hearsay, why post it? Post facts not gossip.
Aye Aye Commander.
NOT!
Didn't you read the School Superintendents letter?
Not one fact in it. Nothing to back up what he said.
How ever he did say West Elk did get a bunch of extra money, he just labeled it as something different than the state, which provided the extra hundreds of thousands of dollars. But no facts.
Oops!
Well, well magazines and newspapers across the country do it frequently.
They write corrections or retractions for making boo-boo's.
And they are professionals!
Well I'm not a professional, I'm human!
I posted what I thought I was told.
But with this hearing loss and even having hearing aids I'm not always hearing what I think I'm hearing.
So my apologies to Mr. Liebau for the error.
Quote from: ROSS on September 29, 2015, 12:53:52 PM
Well, I'm told the commissioners think it should be built on the rodeo grounds at highways 160 & 99. Approximately 7 miles south of Howard.
For some reason Commissioner Liebau supposedly remarked that would put the Ambulance 8 minute closer to his mothers home. When someone asked about their own mothers house he supposedly said, I guess she will have to wait an extra 8 minutes.
It was also said the Commissioner Liebau supposedly also made the remark that he is a commissioner and his job is to make policy and spend money and will do so until he is voted out.
I do believe this is the problem of politicians, they forget that their most important function is to be fair and to work for the majority of the people and to compromise when possible.
Their job is not to report how powerful they are, that is just the wrong attitude.
And the thing about spending money should be tendered with common sense and wisdom.
Not an attitude of I got money to spend, just however I want.Quote
Well the ABOVE should have read Kaminska, not Liebau.
I am not going back and delete or change anything, this should serve to correct my error quite properly.
Thank you for your indulgence.
I am waiting for further details and IF as I get them, I will share them with you.
I have been trying to keep my mouth shut and sit on it. But due to the number of phone calls I have received!
Here I am.
I was tempted to shoot off my mouth about Kommissioner Kaminska's letter to the editor when I read it in the paper Wednesday, and have just sat on it until now.
One thing about that letter that stinks is the dumb remarks about the clinic, and the nursing home having nurses on duty. None of which has anything to do with the location of the suggested new EMS building.
Nothing at all to do with emergency transportation and care. Try getting emergency care and transportation at the clinic or at the nursing home at 2:00 am or on the weekend.
It in no way clears up her spiteful remark about the ambulance being 8 miles closer to her mother and saying the other person's mother would just have to wait the extra time. Nope, no correction there. Perhaps offering a public apology at the Commissioners meeting might! Perhaps she will give it a try! And in the future show more respect to the people of Elk County.
Her letter read just like a liberal democrat, adding irrelevant issues to muddy the real issues, in my opinion showing she thinks the citizenship of Elk County is to ignorant to know the difference.
I have had several questions brought to my attention to ask:
1. When was this planned?
2. When were bids taken for architects?
3. Where are the bids for the construction companies?
4. Why 5,000 square feet for two ambulances?
a) Where are the floor plans?
b) Is there any conservative thought at all going into building this building?
c) Why can't the size be cut in half to save on heating and cooling bills?
d) Won't heating be provided by electricity --- the most expensive kind of heating?
5. Is it true that the public health office is going to be moved to the new location, because people are embarrassed going to the court house for public health care?
6. Will employees be paid gas mileage's to drive to and from work just because their work location has been moved 7 miles?
7. Is a 5,000 square foot Taj Mahal a real requirement and why?
8. How much is it going to cost to furnish 5,000 square feet?
9. Is the land stable at the rodeo grounds with the blasting at the rock quarry?
a) The land was at one time considered unstable due to blasting, when the West Elk USD 282 school building was built?
b) What has changed about the stability of the land?
c) Who has tested the land and when?
d) Will the land be suitable for a septic tank or lagoon?
e) Who and when was the soil tested for a septic tank or lagoon?
f) Where will the new EMS building receive potable water from?
10. Has title to the land been acquired?
a) Who has or will do the land survey?
11. Has the building grant been approved and in hand?
12. Is there a rush to build this EMS building?
a) If so why?
Contrary to what Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau thoughts are that his job is simply to spend money and make policy, it is much more complicated and acquires more responsibility than that attitude.
His job is to work for all of the citizens and voters and taxpayers of Elk County, not just himself or some small group of people. This applies to all Commissioners, don't ya think?
However, Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau statement reflects otherwise and is just as irresponsible as it can be!
The Commissioners voted 2 to 1 to place the building on the rodeo grounds !
Can you guess which two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners voted aye?
There are two hearings on this issue being held on the same day?
On October 13, 2015 !
One at 10:00 am to 11:30 am before the Board of Commissioners only !
Just what does that mean, "before the Board of Commissioners only" ?
That is really a strange way to announce a County Commissioners Board meeting, isn't it?
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminska says she encourages attendance at either or both!
I am going to do my best to be at both meetings.
Both are covered under the Kansas Open Meetings Act and therefore you don't need an invite.
Personally, I'd like to see half of the county show up.
I'm feel pretty certain they don't want you there or
they would have scheduled both meetings in the evening
and on two separate days
when people are off work and could attend.
If you are a taxpayer or a renter it's your money
they are preparing to spend and
with a 5000 square foot building and
inflation what it is and what it can become,
it will be very expensive to maintain and heat and cool.
Especially with electric heating.
Okay, now we will stand-by and wait to hear what all you out of state folks have to say about what you have no clue. Ooop's pardon my smartazz mouth, the devil made me do it. I'm done for now.
I sincerely hope to see you at the meetings.
What a great weekend, time for me to get back outside and enjoy it.
Government is taking over the country. Government is increasing its employment and property ownership so more jobs will be foreign markets and foreigners will work here too.
If you want anything, call the government. If you need anything, call the government.
Good luck.
Ross, I thought the letter was very well written by Shari Kaminska. Your personal dislike for Kaminska and Liebau came out loud and clear in your last post.
Quote from: proelkco on October 10, 2015, 07:55:32 PM
Ross, I thought the letter was very well written by Shari Kaminska. Your personal dislike for Kaminska and Liebau came out loud and clear in your last post.
It's nothing personal because I have no personal relationship with either one, it's strictly political.
What ever happened to conservatism in Kansas?
What is so great about comparing a clinic that is closed at 2 am to an EMS ambulance to your home?
Is that real intellect?
What was so very well written?
You mean her grammer was proper and her spelling were correct?
I can't help we have two
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners, now can I?
I guess you have a problem with them accepting responsibility for their errors and that is fine with me.
But what about all the real questions about a
Taj Mahal progressive liberal type EMS building, don't you have any answers?
Why haven't the floor plans been posted in the newspaper or on the County web site?
Don;t they wish to share the
extravagance with the people of Elk County?
Why 5,000 square feet? Just excessive wasteful spending isn't it, just like the West Elk School Board wants to do, isn't it?
Will you be attending either of the two meetings?
How about answering some of the questions asked in my first post of this subject of EMS?
The people would love to hear what you really know?
Do you think wasteful spending is something that rates approval?
If so, what is to be gained by the wasteful spending?
Do you believe the only reason
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liebeau is in office is to spend money and make policy?
Or do you believe there is more responsibility to the job than that alone?
Why do you suppose it was a two to one vote?
Could it be possible that it's because we only have two
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner's and only one County Commissioner with common sense and care about all of the citizens of Elk Couty? What do you think, is that a possibility?
I think it is a very strong possibility.
Ross, I'm thinking that you're on to something there. However, Americans want more government, not more liberty.
So-called "conservatives" are the worst. Liberals/socialists they truly are.
Ross, please go to the meeting and ask your questions with an open mind.
Quote from: proelkco on October 11, 2015, 07:43:39 AM
Ross, please go to the meeting and ask your questions with an open mind.
Well thank you for the invite. Will you be there?
I hope to go, but I have other more important obligations pre-scheduled that day.
If I can find some help with the other more important obligation, I will be there. Will you?
What do you mean by open-minded?
Do you mean, be ready to accept whatever answer they wish to provide whether right or wrong?
I mean the term open-minded is used very loosely these days.
Perhaps, it is the open-mindness that got Obama elected twice to the Presidency, to which you refer?
Perhaps the open-mind means to accept what is wrong as right and what is right as wrong?
To me when someone use that term they are wanting a person to fail to think for themselves.
Especially in the area of Critical Thinking which is frowned upon by many of the elite of this county.
I think most of the Elk County elite allow someone else to think for them and as puppet's just go along.
A wild observation I have made especially at West Elk School Board meetings.
So what is it, you are really trying to say, when you say open-minded?
Just in closing, you haven't shown any open-mindedness on this thread, but you seem to think other people should. I find that pretty amazing thinking. LOL
You just proved how truly narrow minded you are.
Quote from: proelkco on October 11, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
You just proved how truly narrow minded you are.
Boy does the truth hurt you progressive liberals.
Must I apologize, hell no!
I think for myself and if a few elected officials both locally and nationally would, our country would be much better off.
But apparently you have no answers, except to attempt, to put someone down for thinking for themselves.
Quote from: proelkco on October 11, 2015, 02:32:45 PM
You just proved how truly narrow minded you are.
Actually I proven how conservatie Iam.
Here is an example, when ever I purchased a home the realtors always told me I qualified to purchase a $750,000 dollar home of 3 or 4,000 sq ft. And wanted to know why I wouldn't buy one.
Being conservative I didn't need that much room and double the heating and cooling bills and double the property taxes. Actually Ten times the property taxes. Because I bought a 2,000 sq ft home for $70,000 with the appropriate down payment. And I return.made a super return on it when I sold it, and I a mean super
And as it happened, I was furloughed from my job for six months and had no problem making my house payments and insurance and property taxes. Where as if I had a $750,000 home, I most certainly would have lost the home.
Conservativism is a very good thing.
Why build what you don't need?
If you don't need a 5,000 sq ft ambulance barn why build it, if 2,500 sq ft will do the job?
It damn sure isn't going to impress anyone to have a a giant building you don't need. It would also be less expensive to heat and cool and to insure, saving lot's of money.
And just think what would happen if the windfarm got shut down for some reason or another or God for bid a tornado wiped it out what would an albatros of 5,000 square feet cost the taxpayers. Planning for the worst is better than no planning at all.
Extravagance is a waste of taxpayer dollars, in my opinion.
It's just like government out of control, as with our federal government.
Our federal government is so large the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing.
And we have ended up with all kinds of wasteful spending and corruption in our federal government and $18 Trillion in debt and climbing.
Quote from: ROSS on October 11, 2015, 04:37:42 PM
If you don't need a 5,000 sq ft ambulance barn why build it, if 2,500 sq ft will do the job?
It damn sure isn't going to impress anyone to have a a giant building you don't need. It would also be less expensive to heat and cool and to insure, saving lot's of money.
Extravagance is a waste of taxpayer dollars, in my opinion.
Just how big do you think 5,000 square feet is? Was the City of Moline being extravagant when they built a 6300 square foot fire station?
Quote from: flintauqua on October 11, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
Just how big do you think 5,000 square feet is? Was the City of Moline being extravagant when they built a 6300 square foot fire station?
Let's see now the length of a hook and ladder fire truck and the length of an ambulance.
How do they compare?
Overall length of the ambulance shall not exceed 671 cm (22 ft)
The overall length of a hook and ladder fire truck can be 40 to 50 ft long.
Plus they may have several other vehicles and equipment I may not be familiar with.
You tell me, what all is inside that building how many vehicles. I know it has to be more than three. Plus they surely need room to hang fire hoses and other equipment.
But, I don't live inside the city of Moline and therefore really have no say about what they do, now do I ?
Besides comparing an ambulance barn to a firestation is complete ludicrous.
What's next --- comparing a rural clinic to a hospital?
Flint, don't you know Toss is an expert on Fire Trucks and Fire Stations, along with being an expert on Ambulances. He probably invented the first Fire Truck and First Ambulance. He is also an expert on School Facilities and the sizes needed. Along with all of that he is the number one Full of CRAP poster on the Forum.
This one made me laugh, JoeSue! You hit it on the nail head.
Joesue, I looked that one to. Flint, I am proud to say we think alike old-young friend. Don't you wish your Dad was still here, he would make Toss wish he had never come to Elk County.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 12, 2015, 05:16:47 AM
Flint, don't you know Toss is an expert on Fire Trucks and Fire Stations, along with being an expert on Ambulances. He probably invented the first Fire Truck and First Ambulance. He is also an expert on School Facilities and the sizes needed. Along with all of that he is the number one Full of CRAP poster on the Forum.
Quote from: proelkco on October 12, 2015, 05:56:53 AM
This one made me laugh, JoeSue! You hit it on the nail head.
Flint I think you can recognize Joesue as an expert idiot and that the only posts she/he makes are to put people down. And that his/her posts never contain anything of intellect. And I see you find him/her laughable as well. Or is that nail just a figment of your imaginations.
proelkco you started the comparing of firestations to ambulance barns and that is like comparing apples and oranges. So I provide you with a couple of facts that are readible available on the internet and you can;t handle it and fall back on an idiot that does know the time of day. What does that say about your intellect?
And he/she probably doesn't know the difference between liberal and conservative and most likely voted for Obama both times.
Did you too vote for Obama as well proelkco?
Now how about getting back to the idea of government wasting money just because they can. That is the way Obama has driven our country's national debt to $19 Billion and climbing and it will most likely exceed $20 Billion before he leaves office.
But i suppose proelkco, you and he/she consider that a good thing. Right? How many billion do you suppose Obama is wasting on Islamic Muslims while Christians are being slaughtered by them? I suppose that waste of money is okay as well, With you liberals.
And another liberal with nothing to really say joins the party.Quote from: frawin on October 12, 2015, 06:04:36 AM
Joesue, I looked that one to. Flint, I am proud to say we think alike old-young friend. Don't you wish your Dad was still here, he would make Toss wish he had never come to Elk County.
This is exactly the way liberals behave.
When liberals that voted for obama have nothing to say they simply attack.
When liberals that voted for Obama have nothing constructive to add, they attack.
Check out the Obama liberals in the national news and you will see this very same knee-jerk reaction of attack.
Whenever some of you all talk about Ross, you always show your socialist ways. You're not fooling anybody into believing that you're not.
Now what were you saying again? Let's hear more from you.
Quote from: flintauqua on October 11, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
Just how big do you think 5,000 square feet is? Was the City of Moline being extravagant when they built a 6300 square foot fire station?
I don't know that the building is 6300 sq ft.
But as I pointed out, i am not a resident of Moline and have no say in what they build.
I did point out to you the difference's between a firestation and an ambulance barn.
And apparently you and your liberal dronies don't comprehend the difference.
But, now think about the following please!
The building is simply a metal building and much less expensive to build than a brick and mortar don't you think?
Now, I must ask you who paid for the firestation?
Was it Moline taxpayers or was it F.E.M.A. that paid for the building?
Back to you on the difference's between apples and oranges and Obama banana's.
LOL
How in the world can you accuse anyone of putting people down? Read your own posts.
Quote from: ROSS on October 12, 2015, 06:20:18 AM
Flint I think you can recognize Joesue as an expert idiot and that the only posts she/he makes are to put people down. And that his/her posts never contain anything of intellect. And I see you find him/her laughable as well. Or is that nail just a figment of your imaginations.
proelkco you started the comparing of firestations to ambulance barns and that is like comparing apples and oranges. So I provide you with a couple of facts that are readible available on the internet and you can;t handle it and fall back on an idiot that does know the time of day. What does that say about your intellect?
And he/she probably doesn't know the difference between liberal and conservative and most likely voted for Obama both times.
Did you too vote for Obama as well proelkco?
Now how about getting back to the idea of government wasting money just because they can. That is the way Obama has driven our country's national debt to $19 Billion and climbing and it will most likely exceed $20 Billion before he leaves office.
But i suppose proelkco, you and he/she consider that a good thing. Right? How many billion do you suppose Obama is wasting on Islamic Muslims while Christians are being slaughtered by them? I suppose that waste of money is okay as well, With you liberals.
And another liberal with nothing to really say joins the party.
This is exactly the way liberals behave.
When liberals that voted for obama have nothing to say they simply attack.
When liberals that voted for Obama have nothing constructive to add, they attack.
Check out the Obama liberals in the national news and you will see this very same knee-jerk reaction of attack.
I believe everyone in Elk County, Kansas, and every where else would be very happy with the debt figures you mention.
Well said Waldo, And Proelkco , I have owned land in Elk County and looking to buy some more. The tax is the least of my worries, taxes in Elk County are way less than they are here in Texas. I think the people in the tax area being discussed would or will pass that level of tax and be happy about what it is for. Everyone I have talked to says they ignore Toss and many if not most of the people on the Forum have blocked the idiot. Toss thinks he is an
Expert on everything, instead he is an idiot know-it-all.
On the contrary, many of those paying increasing taxes here are not happy with it. Especially for unnecessary items.
Those who were making fortunes before the revolution had no problem with England's taxes, until the king came after them and took away their fortune. Samuel Adams for example.
For our government to continue to spend money it doesn't have is not acceptable, locally or otherwise. If building a new building is purely for location, it is purely unnecessary. Many here, Frank, don't have the luxury of your wealth. Enjoy it while you can, for if things continue the way they are, it won't last.
To say that everyone is OK with it is idiotic. Ergo, the reason for Trump's popularity. Any business that was run the way government is would have been gone long ago. Unless of course they have the politicians in their pocket.
If you don't have money for something you make do with what you have. You don't take money from others to get it.
Please go take a tour of our EMS facilities.
Quote from: proelkco on October 12, 2015, 07:27:06 AM
How in the world can you accuse anyone of putting people down? Read your own posts.
Oh my, is that a
NA, NA NA, NA, NA !So where is Flintauqua's answer about who paid for the Moline Fire Station?
Was it Moline or F.E.M.A. ?
And proelkco what have yu brought to the conversation?
Oh let me check, oh here it is:
Quote from: proelkco on October 12, 2015, 05:56:53 AM
This one made me laugh, JoeSue! You hit it on the nail head.
Shows Real intelligence, huh!
What was that about, well lookie here:
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 12, 2015, 05:16:47 AM
Flint, don't you know Toss is an expert on Fire Trucks and Fire Stations, along with being an expert on Ambulances. He probably invented the first Fire Truck and First Ambulance. He is also an expert on School Facilities and the sizes needed. Along with all of that he is the number one Full of CRAP poster on the Forum.
A real intelligent input to a conversation?
I ask why 5,000 square feet for 2 ambulances and this is the best you've got:
Quote from: proelkco on October 12, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
Please go take a tour of our EMS facilities.
I may just take your advice and go have a look see, since you lack the ability to put it into words?
Thanks for the suggestion!
I've seen them. What's your point?
That they aren't state of the art?
Have they cost someone's life by being inadequate?
You always seem to assume people don't have a clue about the facilities in this county or attend meetings
Perhaps you need to tour facilities of other poor counties and compare.
We don't have a level one trauma center here either, so I guess we should build one. :o
Quote from: proelkco on October 12, 2015, 07:27:06 AM
How in the world can you accuse anyone of putting people down? Read your own posts.
I asked a few questios and nary a one of you people had an answer.
So lacking the ability to communicate, you attack and I responded in kind.
Here are the questions again, care to try again?
Quote from: ROSS on October 10, 2015, 03:26:32 PM
I have had several questions brought to my attention to ask:
1. When was this planned?
2. When were bids taken for architects?
3. Where are the bids for the construction companies?
4. Why 5,000 square feet for two ambulances?
a) Where are the floor plans?
b) Is there any conservative thought at all going into building this building?
c) Why can't the size be cut in half to save on heating and cooling bills?
d) Won't heating be provided by electricity --- the most expensive kind of heating?
5. Is it true that the public health office is going to be moved to the new location, because people are embarrassed going to the court house for public health care?
6. Will employees be paid gas mileage's to drive to and from work just because their work location has been moved 7 miles?
7. Is a 5,000 square foot Taj Mahal a real requirement and why?
8. How much is it going to cost to furnish 5,000 square feet?
9. Is the land stable at the rodeo grounds with the blasting at the rock quarry?
a) The land was at one time considered unstable due to blasting, when the West Elk USD 282 school building was built?
b) What has changed about the stability of the land?
c) Who has tested the land and when?
d) Will the land be suitable for a septic tank or lagoon?
e) Who and when was the soil tested for a septic tank or lagoon?
f) Where will the new EMS building receive potable water from?
10. Has title to the land been acquired?
a) Who has or will do the land survey?
11. Has the building grant been approved and in hand?
12. Is there a rush to build this EMS building?
a) If so why?
After all, it's only money.
Other peoples money.
Ask Mr Devlin to build one. See what his response is. Or Mr Winn, since he has plenty of money to buy property and pay inflated taxes.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 12, 2015, 09:06:52 AM
I believe everyone in Elk County, Kansas, and every where else would be very happy with the debt figures you mention.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
I was off by a half a billion, so sue me.
Elk County and the rest of the country would be very happy with the national debt even if you were off by just half billion dollars or even a trillion dollars.
We're basically talking about a garage. One that keeps the vehicles ready to hop in and go.
Ask anyone who is a first responder what is most important. I believe that would be response time.
If the garage is ten or twelve miles, or more ,from those who man the vehicle, what does that do to response time? Do you realize what that could do to response time? Are you going to house personnel in the garage? Do you know that trauma doctors are required to live within minutes of the hospital they serve?
I don't recall seeing any houses at the proposed site.
It is the classic Elk county thinking that I have observed. We can get some federal money for something so lets go for it. No consideration for where the rest of the money comes from. An example is the amount of HUD housing in Howard, more than any other small town I know of.
The lack of consideration for response time is a serious oversight. IMO If it can be shown that it would improve response time , I would like to see the math.
I respectfully disagree, Mr Gray. Any debt larger than what can be covered at any time is not acceptable.
A credit card bank does not allow you to get behind. They would have cut off your credit long before now.
Business is business. The founders would be appalled that this is going on.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 12, 2015, 04:20:25 PM
Elk County and the rest of the country would be very happy with the national debt even if you were off by just half billion dollars or even a trillion dollars.
What in the world is there to be happy about an $18 Trillion National Debt?
Your grand children will have to be the ones taxed to pay it off and even grand children not yet born?
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
What am I not understanding here?
I'm dumbfounded by this!
Quote from: ROSS on October 12, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
What in the world is there to be happy about an $18 Trillion National Debt?
Your grand children will have to be the ones taxed to pay it off and even grand children not yet born?
I wouldn't wish that on anyone.
What am I not understanding here?
I'm dumbfounded by this!
That is not what you said. Go back and read your post.
I am looking at your post, Mr Gray, that we would be happy with the debt. Not so.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 12, 2015, 05:04:37 PM
That is not what you said. Go back and read your post.
That is exactly what I said, word for word --- letter for letter --- number for number !
That is why it is in a quote box.
Waldo,
Thank you for quoting Ross' post where he talked about the 19 BILLION national
debt. He is in error again by trying to deny he said otherwise. Your considerate
attempt to call attention to his understating the debt seems to have lost on him
and a few others. Maybe if they read with more comprehension as they often
admonish those who disagree with them to do.
Quote from: ddurbin on October 12, 2015, 09:49:06 PM
Waldo,
Thank you for quoting Ross' post where he talked about the 19 BILLION national
debt. He is in error again by trying to deny he said otherwise. Your considerate
attempt to call attention to his understating the debt seems to have lost on him
and a few others. Maybe if they read with more comprehension as they often
admonish those who disagree with them to do.
What? What are you trying to point out?
Quote it, or are you incapable?
Are you saying I wrote Billion instead of Trillion?
It is simply that Obama liberal thing going on again.
I bet you lierals would vote for him again if you could.
Why is that so difficult to say, if that is in fact what I did?
And what is the point in all that silliness about it?
My two year old great-great nephew, can communicate better than that!
It is rather Juvenile attitude there folks and proves nothing.
The idea nad intentions expressed were fully comprehensible !
I even provided a link to the live National Debt Clock for clarity.
A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.
-Everett Dirksen
Quote from: ROSS on October 13, 2015, 05:17:09 AM
What? What are you trying to point out?
Quote it, or are you incapable?
Are you saying I wrote Billion instead of Trillion?
It is simply that Obama liberal thing going on again.
I bet you lierals would vote for him again if you could.
Why is that so difficult to say, if that is in fact what I did?
And what is the point in all that silliness about it?
My two year old great-great nephew, can communicate better than that!
It is rather Juvenile attitude there folks and proves nothing.
The idea nad intentions expressed were fully comprehensible !
I even provided a link to the live National Debt Clock for clarity.
Go back and read your posts and find your own egregious errors.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 13, 2015, 08:55:58 AM
Go back and read your posts and find your own egregious errors.
You were trying to make some kind of a point but failed to communicate it.
And that is just a shame.
I'm not interested in going back because of the attitude portrayed here.
If it was so egregious you should have been more obliging and stated the problem you thougt so egregious.
So apparently it was and is not so egregious !
I have other things to do, rather than to worry about your egregious attitude.
LOL
Quote from: ROSS on October 13, 2015, 10:32:03 AM
You were trying to make some kind of a point but failed to communicate it.
And that is just a shame.
I'm not interested in going back because of the attitude portrayed here.
If it was so egregious you should have been more obliging and stated the problem you thougt so egregious.
So apparently it was and is not so egregious !
I have other things to do, rather than to worry about your egregious attitude.
LOL
Go back and read your own posts on this subject. You might learn something. If you can't do it have someone do it for you.
This mornings County Commissioners Hearing this morning was pretty interesting.
I don't have time to go into it right now because i am headed for the 1 pm meeting.
But talk about narrow mindedness it really showed this morning.
Later i will elaborate.
Gotta get lunch and head out.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 13, 2015, 10:57:15 AM
Go back and read your own posts on this subject. You might learn something. If you can't do it have someone do it for you.
No thank you.
This mornings Commissioners meeting had several very good points brought out about the chosen location of the proposed EMS Building.
But observing the two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners actions and attitudes of narrow mindedness was Very disheartening. You could tell nothing would change their minds about the location. I guess the remark by Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminski about the 8 miles closer to her mothers home really meant a lot to her. And apparently it meant a lot to Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau as well.
It was pointed out by numerous people the danger of placing the Building at the rodeo grounds as a place that druggies might invade for narcotics and the dangers to the EMS people. Where as if it were in town they might be better protected. Even the EMS people are concerned for their safety.
I suggested if it was built in a community a flashing rotating light could be placed on top of the building which could be triggered to draw attention to send the Sheriff. This was something I experienced in San Diego used by a retailer. But, this would do no good at the rodeo grounds where as in town it could be very helpful.
Others said they didn't care which town the EMS was built in, just put it in a town.
I explained, I open carry on my property all the time because a person never knows what type of person might drive in off the highway. The thing about the rodeo grounds they would be located on two highways.
I explained, I had lived here for several years and never dreamt of a drive by shooting in Elk County. Yet it did happen. Remember the drive by shooting in either Elk Falls or Longton and how they then continued on to Elk City? They came from Wichita to do their drive by shooting.
My neighbor suggested a safe room for the people working in the building in case of trouble. That idea was at least taken to heart.
After lunch was the hearing for the Grant.
And there was more discussion about a different location than the rodeo grounds and a few more ideas were proposed.
The building they are presently in is owned by the county and could be expanded and upgraded.
It was said that the Harrods were in the process of buying the old high school and demolishing it.
That site was suggested for the new building.
Someone suggested the site of the old Swinging Bridge Café.
There were no arguments about which town to put it in, Pretty amazing huh?
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminski pointed out that she and Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau had voted 2 to 1 not to spend any money for land. Now you gotta ask yourself, why would they do that? Land here in Elk County is not that expensive. Was that just a move to control and build where they want with out concern for the employees and the voters and the taxpayers. Do they believe building this thing sticking out like a sore thumb for the lawless make them extra important. Will they want a monument with their names on it placed on the site?
What if Mr. Harrod wanted to donate the land the old high school is on, would they tell him no?
Just because?
It was also pointed out that utilizing the building they inhabit at the moment and adding on to it would be cheaper and the insurance on the building would be cheaper. It was pointed out that they have gas and water and utilities and sewer already in place. At the fair grounds there is no natural gas and they would have to heat with electricity, it was pointed out that they would have to build a lagoon and various other things..
It wasn't really mentioned but they would have airplanes flying in and out and possibly over the top of their building carrying farm chemicals.
Get a load of this Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminski says it isn't costing us anything?
Yea, it's not costing the taxpayers anything. The money is coming from the lawsuit concerning some wells that never paid proper taxes for years. Not costing us anything really? Every dollar in the County's treasury or coffers is taxpayers dollars, every dime belongs to the taxpayers. And during the time that the wells were not paying who picked up the slack? Why of course the other property owners. I have to make a call to verify how much money the county has or will receive from the lawsuit. I thought, I heard $5 million, but I'm not sure.
Remember the editorial in the Prairie Star that stated when property owners are delinquent in paying their fair share of property taxes everyone else's taxes go up to make up the difference. Remember that?
Well this was a hearing for the grant and the grant has to be approved and signed I believe they said by the 14th. So a motion was made by a Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner and seconded by the other Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners and the third County Commissioner called for a vote. The two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners voted aye and the third County Commissioner voted nay.
County Commissioner Hebb as the Chairperson refused to sign it and informed the other two that our county counselor had told him he did not have to sign it. Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Kaminski when into a speal about how the vote was two to one for it and it was his responsibility to sign the paper work because of a majority vote. County Commissioner Hebb said he had no objection to the grant but he would not sign as long as it was to be built on the rodeo grounds. I fully support County Commissioner Hebb's decision as long as the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners are unwavering to the interest of the people that showed up at the meetings, that is both meetings.
You see this has to be done right now or wait until next year to apply for the grant. Wouldn't it make more sense to get more input from the citizens and the voters and the taxpayers and get a proper floor plan and have everything figure out before applying for the grant? Why the big rush and big push at the last minute?
I acquired a picture of a floor plan (posted above) but Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminski informed me that it is not the latest floor plan. Sorry folks, they just don't have their act together?
The man hired to do the grant showed frustrations and left the building.
I guess we will have to sit back and wait and see what happens next.
Well this is from my view point and my contains my personal opinions and nothing more.
I'm sorry I am having problems with the picture, I'll try tomorrow evening to get it up.
Mr. Hebb don't you deserve a fishing trip for a few days?
I'm sorry, I forgot to mention the subject of land stability at the rodeo grounds was once again addressed.
It was said at the time that they wanted to build the West Elk High School out there, that the ground was determined to be unstable due to blasting at the quarry.
What do you suppose has changed? They are still operating the quarry and still blasting out there, aren't they?
Was the ground being reported as unstable as lie to avoid placing the West Elk School out there?
Can the land be tested for stability? Shouldn't the land be tested as long as there is a question about land stability? I just answered my own question, yes the land can be tested. Here are a couple of internet links on the subject: http://www.level.org.nz/site-analysis/site-conditions-and-ground-stability/
hhttp://www.rdc.govt.nz/our-services/building-and-resource-consents/BuildingConsentApplicationsandRequirements/Documents/LandStability[1].pdf
When I built my home I was required by our county Government, to pay to have my land tested, in order to install a septic tank! Shouldn't the County Government itself be required to test the land for stability especially since they are spending taxpayer money.
Someone mentioned that the buildings out there now, have been there for a long time and have had no problem. The problem i have with that, is those are most likely not 1/20th the weight of the proposed building.
Do you think it wise to build an $800,000.00 building on land you are unsure of?
Or just chance it and possibly end upp with big cracks in the building and other unseen problems. After all when everything is said and done it's only money, $800,000.00 plus.
Why is the County government be in the EMS business in the first place?
Government was not organized to own businesses - at least in this country.
I know of no place that the Local or County Government does not run the Ambulance Business. If it was run by Private enterprise the cost would be staggering to many users and my guess is the service would not be as good. I have had some experience with the Elk County EMS and it has been excellent.
Right on Frawin, it is the same here. Thankfully Red doesn't get to make those deceiscions or we would all be in trouble.
I think that if you read what is written on the sides of ambulances, you will find that most of them are named for a county. i.e. "Elk County EMS", "Sedgwick County EMS", "Montgomery County---". Does that not say who owns the ambulances and for whom the emergency workers are working? Besides, the county EMS is not a "for profit" business, any more than the Elk County Register of Deeds is a for profit business. The ambulance service provides a service, collects for that service and turns the proceeds over to the county. Enough said?
Quote from: redcliffsw on October 14, 2015, 06:13:59 AM
Why is the County government be in the EMS business in the first place?
Government was not organized to own businesses - at least in this country.
Where did you get your information concerning government was not organized to own businesses in this country?
You might want to look up the definition of a Municipal Enterprise Fund.
Mr Gray, where did you get your information, don't you know that Mr Redcliff is always right like Mr Toss.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 14, 2015, 02:27:37 PM
Mr Gray, where did you get your information, don't you know that Mr Redcliff is always right like Mr Toss.
And juvenile Joesue knows absolutely nothing. For example any question can be answered by asking the internet,
But a person must have critical thinking skills in order to comprehend what they read.
For instance a privately owned EMS is located in Salina, Ks.
Life Touch EMS - KEMSA
kemsa.org/sites/default/files/users/2/Chronicle-SP13-SS.pdf
time is privately owned Life Touch EMS. Life Touch EMS is located in the city of Salina.
Eagle Med - When life's on the line, we're in the air.
www.flyeaglemed.com/
EagleMed is a privately owned and operated air medical transport service. ... conducted its first "dedicated" air medical transport patient flight on September 1st, 1981
I am certain with further checking many more could be found.
Most liely the reason for government owned EMS is due to the fact especially in Elk County, there is not enough people to make it profitable as a privately owned enterprise. There fore the county taxpayers own the EMS. That is my thought on the subject.
I had a trusted friend say he thought he heard the county recieved $400,000 on the lawsuit So I checked with the County Clerk's office about the amount of money the county recieved from the law suit on the wells. They said they thought they heard $4 Million at the meeting yesterday. So anyway they are checking in to the amount recieved and going to call me back.
Now, there you go Joesue some comprehensive information and some with internet links.
I'm having a great day. I did my good deed today. A lady who happens to own 10 acres was charged $400.00 last year for mowing those 10 acres. Which I think is outrageous. A mutual friend told this disabled single Mother of one that he knew someone that might mow it this year for $200. So she asked me to mow the acerage. I did so and it took about 12 hours and she asked me what she owed me. I said what is it worth to you. She told me about paying $400 last year and could not afford that. And then she said my friend said i would do it for $200. I said that is right but what is it worth to you. I wa hoping to have a little fun, I was waiting for her to hand me $200 cash so I could hand her back $100. Bummer, out comes the check book, so I told her to write the check for $100. Boy was she tickled. I know I didn't make any money after wear and tear and diesel and such. And truefully, I wish, I didn't have to take her money at all. But i didn't want to insult her either. Plus I had a part break which will probably cost me $50 to $75 to fix.
Yea, I know I'm an axxhole, and proud of it.. LOL
I'll get back with you when I can about the amount of the money the county recieved in the lawsuit.
And try to up load the picture of the proposed EMS building again or after i find out what the problem is.
TTFN
Toss, blab blab lab , Blab on you should be proud of how you have ruined the Forum for so many. I really liked Wilma and Frawins posts but you were so rude you ran them off, and you ran lots of other people off, I have had a lot of people tell me they quit. The Forum because of you and Redcliffe.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 14, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Toss, blab blab lab , Blab on you should be proud of how you have ruined the Forum for so many. I really liked Wilma and Frawins posts but you were so rude you ran them off, and you ran lots of other people off, I have had a lot of people tell me they quit the Forum because of you and Redcliffe.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 14, 2015, 04:55:37 PM
Toss, blab blab lab , Blab on you should be proud of how you have ruined the Forum for so many. I really liked Wilma and Frawins posts but you were so rude you ran them off, and you ran lots of other people off, I have had a lot of people tell me they quit. The Forum because of you and Redcliffe.
You really are showing the total of your intelligence aren't you.
Let's review your intellectual level shall we?
Let's start with your braging about being a good Christian, okay?
What church teaches good Christians to post all the hateful things that you post?
I think some people claim to be Christians to cover up for their ugliness, just my opinion.
Follow along if you can?
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 27, 2015, 03:12:58 PM
Further I doubt that either of you even go to Church, the people I go to Church with and Worship with and who are good Christians would not run down other Religions .
How many of your good Christian friends bad mouth people every chance they get?
Can they keep up with you.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 14, 2015, 02:27:37 PM
Mr Gray, where did you get your information, don't you know that Mr Redcliff is always right like Mr Toss.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 12, 2015, 05:44:00 PM
Bullwinkle, after reading all of your posts it looks like you are Toss Jr. You know everything and you are Judgmental about everything and everybody. What is it to you if Frawin buys land in Elk county and doesn't mind paying the going tax rate, he knows it is going up before he buys it, and he doesn't mind then that is his business.
Really who is sick and twisted? I can post so many of these things and they are all from a confessed Christian! Not exactly my kind of Christian, jsut saying. It's not nice to play with religion in politics is it?
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 11, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
Ross is the Forum Know-it-all, according to him he is Mr Right all the time. He knows more than the Commissioners
But he could never get enough votes to be the Dogcatcher. He has run a lot of the good people off of the Forum. Frawin was one of my favorites with his Posts "Better Fillup Today", Ross sickened him out of the Forum with his sick twisted posts.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 15, 2015, 05:43:57 AM
Red, of course Ross is not against his stand in Tyranny, he is the biggest tyrant on the Forum. Try disagreeing with him and he goes bonkers.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 13, 2015, 04:24:52 PM
BLAH BLAH ROSS, you are never wrong, you keep babbling about "Elk Connected" and I don't even know what it is. Your day is coming and you are not going to like it.
Quote from: Joesue23 on May 15, 2015, 08:22:14 AM
Red cliff you put out the same lies and crap everyday. Your time is coming when we won't have to put up with your trash and lies.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 13, 2015, 03:36:38 PM
Right on PROELKCO, don't you know Ross knows all, he is the OBUMA of the Forum.
Now I'm going to ask, as the good Christian you claim to be, how many more of these would you like me to re-post? 10 more, 20 more, 50 more? Just tell me how many more?
One more --- your very first post on the forum! The very first one!
Show these posts to the good Christians at your church and see if they approve?
Amazing! Amazing! Simply Amazing for a Christian isn't it.
Quote from: Joesue23 on June 24, 2014, 08:40:44 AM
How did Elk County end up with so many nut cases like this Ross and Redcliff. There must be some loco weed getting in your water system.
And all of this because you do not comprehend and communicate in an intelligent human being?
Can anyone, any good Christian explain the Christianity of Joesue's posts on this page?
Pleas a good explanation I really want to know where in the bible that says good Christians behave in this fashon.
Again Ross please go back and read your own posts. And was $400,000.00
Several people have asked me why I posted the same thing twice about Toss, it was because I felt it was important to say what I said. Now watch Toss run me down about not knowing things.
Toss you post the same old bad mouthing crap about anyone that disagrees with you. You refuse to accept that you have ruined the Forum for so many. According to you' you are never wrong, even after people have proved you wrong. Now bad mouth me some more.
Quote from: Joesue23 on October 14, 2015, 06:25:46 PM
Toss you post the same old bad mouthing crap about anyone that disagrees with you. You refuse to accept that you have ruined the Forum for so many. According to you' you are never wrong, even after people have proved you wrong. Now bad mouth me some more.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 27, 2015, 03:12:58 PM
Further I doubt that either of you even go to Church, the people I go to Church with and Worship with and who are good Christians would not run down other Religions .
Some more Christianity from Joesue:
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 27, 2015, 03:11:41 PM
Skurich and Redcliffe, you two Blab all the time you think you are Experts on everything, you are totally full of Crap, several people have told me they quit even reading Redcliffes lies and trash. The Catholic Religion is one of the largest Religions in the World and growing.
Sure they are, but they have had the largest number of pedophiles and sex offenders, too!
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 16, 2015, 01:56:51 PM
Everyone should read the letter in the Prairie Star written by USD Superintendent Bert Moore, it shows how big a blowhard some people are. I think most of you know what I am talking about. It is a sad thing that someone is always trying to damage the West Elk School and the Hardworking dedicated people that serve on the School board in most case with little or no compensation.
Why read it in the paper, it's was right here ion the forum before the paper came out. And he backed up nothing he said with facts. So what is the point? He basically damaged West Elk With his nest letter by stating that West Elk is getting 26 students from another district and wants West Elk taxpayers to pay an extra $200,000.00 (pluw) in taxes to educate them While the school they are coming from collects that very same money from the State and get to keep it. Get smart, learn something!
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 13, 2015, 03:36:38 PM
Right on PROELKCO, don't you know Ross knows all, he is the OBUMA of the Forum.
You apparently don't know the difference between a liberal and a conservative. Or you would understand that I would never vote Democrat.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 05, 2015, 06:34:09 PM
Ross we and our Family Members own more land In elk County than you do and we also own land in Chataqua county. You babble on like an idiot,. The only way you know to respond to anything or anybody is put people down, or makeup excuses. I still say you are the worst pile of Poop to every come to Elk County. Now make a post and Babble on like the idiot you are.
Quote from: Joesue23 on September 05, 2015, 02:13:07 PM
When I read the letter from the Superintendent of Schools, I was elated that he showed Ross was full of Elephant Poop. I wonder what the people that signed Ross' worthless Petition are thinking, my guess they are saying this guy is a troublemaker and a nut. I have talked to many of our friends and Family in Howard and Elk County and they are dying laughing about Ross. Some of them that signed the Petition are saying they don't want anything to do with Ross in the future.
Joesues Christianity at work!Quote from: Joesue23 on September 01, 2015, 09:18:45 AM
I quit reading your lies and crap but someone emailed me about your BS posts. It is idiots like you that got Obuma elected. you are bad for the future of America. Some of the candidates you propose are good but they don't have a chance of being elected. Look at how small of a percentage of the voters say they will vote for them.
Conservatives are usually republicans and Obama is a Liberal Islamic Democrat.
Let's face it, it is my conservativism and saving people their hard earned money from being wasted by government.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 29, 2015, 08:07:15 AM
Toss, my husband told me to leave you alone and let you do and say rude and cuss words because it would make more people stop or not sign your Petitions and other trash you are trying to do.
Joesue you should respect and listen to your husband. Don't you think?The petition was only signed by taxpayers that are fed up with the high taxation by West Elk school district and because of the lack of trust in our elected school board. They didn;t sign it because of me. I simply carried the petition to them for signatures. There were even people that don't live in the school district that signed, but their signatures did not count. Except to show how frustrated people are with the school administration and school board. People were jumping up and down with joy to save some of their hard earned money.
Quote from: Joesue23 on August 29, 2015, 08:07:15 AM
Toss, my husband told me to leave you alone and let you do and say rude and cuss words because it would make more people stop or not sign your Petitions and other trash you are trying to do.
I repeat,
Joesue you should respect and listen to your husband. Don't you think?
It would be the Christian think to do, wouldn't it?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 04:05:26 PM
Ross there is more lies than truth in your posts and it is not possible to have a simple discussion with you, you have proven that over and over. Don't you see that no one or hardly no one ever comments or answers your posts.
Why are you unable to prove even a single lie?
Is it the Christian thing to do to call some one a liar with out froving it?
Quote from: Joesue23 on July 30, 2015, 07:50:45 AM
You say I call you a liar and I have nothing to back it up with. Everyone that I know and that reads the Forum says you are a liar and a rude jerk. You ruined the Forum and Like a little kid you don't want to admit it. I am not a little girl I am a big man and I am coming to see you to discuss manners and honesty, both of which you don't have.
Surely the Christian thing to do isn't it. Fail to prove anything and then make threats. I'm certain all you Chritian friends at your church would agree that these are Godly actions. You ought to take this to church and get their approval and blessings. Tell them you are trying to save a sinner with threats.
Oh this is enough Christianity for me tonight, I can only handle so much of this type of Christianity at on time.
But if you want more there is still plenty to quote.
Nighty night!
Quote from: W. Gray on October 14, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
Where did you get your information concerning government was not organized to own businesses in this country?
You might want to look up the definition of a Municipal Enterprise Fund.
I'm not one to believe that government should own property or businesses. That kind of thinking is contrary to the founding. Take the the horse business for one example, just drive west of Grenola 3 or 4 miles to see the government horse ownership.
As for Municipal Enterprise Fund, from the definititons that I can find, it doesn't look very good. Again, someone gets the idea that the city or county ought to own the trash service because the thinking could be that they can do it better and cheaper. Some municipalities make you pay for trash service whether you use it or not. Golf courses? That's a good one.
There's a lot of private ownership of EMS, but Americans don't look for it. Many like Frawin simply think the government will own it. Why should Elk County government own an EMS or a herd of horses?
Government ownership of business and property is way out of hand and it's not getting any better because Americans prefer that government be their nanny, not the defender of liberty.
How the government defend liberty if it requires the individual to submit to the tyranny of government ownership?
And you think that Obama or the Republicans will turn this thing around in favor of individual liberty and property rights? Nope. They're most all government types.
Think liberty!
Suggested
EMS & public Health Center
(Not the final floor plan)
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I told you, I would let you know the amount of back taxes that the County Commissioners were discussing at the last board meeting I attended when I got the right information. Here it is"
COTA ruling on stored natural gas
The total escaped taxes paid by the 5 stored gas companies was
$1,102,613.78.
That's a nice windfall for the county, isn't it?
My apologies for taking so long.
Thu, Oct 22 2015 05:52 PM
NOTICE: 13 October, 2015 PUBLIC HEARING regarding the Elk County EMS/Health Facility.
Click here for details: http://elkcountyks.org/docs/Elk%20CO%20EMS%20Health%20Facility%20Public%20Hearing%20Notice.pdf
NOTICE: 26 October, 2015 PUBLIC MEETING regarding the Elk County Sheriff patrol vehicle purchase. Click here for details: http://elkcountyks.org/docs/SheriffHearing.pdf
NEW! Facebook links are now available on the webpages for Emergency Management: http://elkcountyks.org/emergencymanagement.asp
the Health Department http://elkcountyks.org/health.asp
& the Sheriff's Office. http://elkcountyks.org/sheriff.asp
Posted at http://elkcountyks.org/
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2015, 04:43:54 PM
I told you, I would let you know the amount of back taxes that the County Commissioners were discussing at the last board meeting I attended when I got the right information. Here it is"
COTA ruling on stored natural gas
The total escaped taxes paid by the 5 stored gas companies was
$1,102,613.78.
That's a nice windfall for the county, isn't it?
My apologies for taking so long.
That was for 6 years of taxes. From 2009 to 2014.
COTA stands for Court Of Tax Appeals
See how smart I am Joesue?
It took me days to get the right information and get it out to the folks that might want to know?
And why did I go searching for something I know nothing about, so I would know and be able to share it.
Back in the sixties before your time it was said the most important thing taught in college was how to research and find answers. That was jsut before liberalism and socialism took over.
So ya see I don;t now nothing. But pushing 70 years of age I am still willing to learn.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVER ONE
STAY SAFE AND HAVE FUN
NEEWOLLAH HERE WE COME
I think this post of mine on another link about NGO's
has merit and deserves
to be re-posted here:
Quote from: ROSS on November 05, 2015, 11:24:16 AM
Probably Unbeknownst to them,They are part of Obams's Left Wing Liberals being used to our nation and create havoc using their fictitious desire to help communities and by manipulating local governments through consensus of a very small group of people that have been manipulated with out their knowledge.
If you have a hard time believing that, it is time to pull your head out of the sand. Practically our countries whole population has been being manipulated for a number of decades and that is how our country has become over drugged and sexually perverted. And if you don't recognize the WAR on Christians by the evil left wingers don't you reckon you should do some searching on the internet.
Another thing, most people that feel, they have to BELONG to a group, are willing to give up or at least allow their personal ethics, ideologies and principles to be compromised in order to belong. And they do so unwittingly!
If a person speaks out about an NGO because they find something amiss, the whole group will turn on them.
When the NGO works secretly and won't open their book and won't list their members something is terribly wrong! Other wise instead of hiding they would operate with complete transparency instead of turning on and attacking the person asking.
Yep, there in-lies the rub !
Elitists and NGO's are rarely open about their true intentions. They often entice the public with fantastical promises if collectivist systems are supported and offer "Quality of Life", "Strong Families", "Solid Educations", "Superior Lifestyles", "More Child Entertainment". But offer no substantial information how these thing are to come about or who is going to pay for it!
individualists SHOULD fight back against elitists and the useful idiots they exploit and fight back against manipulation ?
PROMISES, PROMISES, PROMISES ! HOLLOW PROMISES !
They have superior wisdom to make decisions and policy for us.
That's why we elect them to oversee us right here in the uSA.
You're right that there ought to be more individualism in this country - think liberty.
150 years ago today,
Abraham Lincoln praised
'government of the people,
by the people,
for the people'
but the words were not his.
On November 19, 1863, at the Soldiers' National Cemetery in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, President Abraham Lincoln, weak and lightheaded with an oncoming case of smallpox, made a speech that lasted for just over two minutes, and ended with his hope "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
Those words have been quoted ever since as the supreme vindication of representative government. Indeed, they are often quoted as proof of American exceptionalism. But the words were not Lincoln's. Most of his hearers would have recognised their source, as our generation typically does not. They came from the prologue to what was probably the earliest translation of the Bible into the English language: "This Bible is for the government of the people, for the people and by the people." The author was the theologian John Wycliffe, sometimes called "the Morning Star of the Reformation." Astonishingly, they had first appeared in 1384.
Wycliffe was perhaps the most arresting figure in the medieval English church. Philosopher, temperamental rebel, and heresiarch, he anticipated many of the doctrines of Protestantism. He opposed the selling of indulgences, rejected transubstantiation and emphasised salvation by faith. He thought that priests should be allowed to marry, and that they should be accountable before the civil courts like everyone else. He rejected papal authority in England, arguing that the nation was bound instead to its own Crown and institutions.
Above all, and exceptionally for his time, Wycliffe believed in the centrality of the Bible. He taught that people should read the scriptures for themselves and not rely on the interpretation of priests and prelates. In his last years, he devoted himself to translating the Bible from Latin into English.
"Government of the people, by the people, for the people" was, in Wycliffe's mind, a concept with political, religious, and educational implications. If men and women were free to make up their minds on theological questions, they would also be better suited to independence in secular affairs. We can trace the association between civil and religious liberty, that was to become such a marked characteristic of the Anglosphere, right back to the fourteenth century.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100246622/150-years-ago-today-abraham-lincoln-praised-government-of-the-people-by-the-people-for-the-people-but-the-words-were-not-his/
Which brings me to a few questions about our local governments.
Namely the West Elk USD-282School Board and Elk County Government's Commissioners.First
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD"Why did the
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD" insist on closing down two perfectly good grade schools here in Elk County when it was perfectly clear that
"We The People" did not want them closed?
Why did
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD" keep on insisting to spend money hand over fists on Contractors and Architects when it was perfectly clear that
"We The People" did not want to build a new building or adding on to the present
"West Elk USD-282 School Building"?Since it was apparent that
"We The People" wanted it to s
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD"top, and that it was apparent that
"We The People" wanted no more tax increases why did the
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD" continue to go against the wishes of
"We The People"? Why did the
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD" employee go to all the trouble of writing a letter about property taxes and post it here on the forum and the local news paper and send copies home with each and every student, opposing the opposition to raising taxes and was untruthful about it?
Why? Did he as a hired employee have the consent of his employers – the elected
"WEST ELK USD-282 SCHOOL BOARD"?Since they apparently don't believe in a Government of
"We The People", "By The People" and "For the People", just exactly to whom are they listening?
Now ELK COUNTY GOVERNMENT COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETINGAt the meeting of the Elk County Government's hearing and discussion for the new ambulance building at the cost of $400,000.00 to the taxpayers and $400,000.00 Grant and not taking into account the cost of furnishings and utilities and the possibility of overages, I did not hear a single citizen even suggest that it be built at the rodeo grounds! In fact, I heard plenty of opposition to the idea!
So, why are two
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners opposing the wishes of "The people"?
And only one Elk County Commissioner appears to hear,
"We The People" !One County Commissioner pointed out that the West Elk USD-282 school building, which was supposed to be built at the rodeo grounds but was not built there because it was found that the
land was unstable due to blasting at the quarry. They are still
blasting at the quarry so, what has actually changed to make the land stable?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau made the statement at a previous county commissioners meeting that he was voted into office to spend money and make decisions and that he will continue to do so! Is that the idea behind running for office to spend money and make decisions and ignore
"We The People" ?Is it that the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissionersdon't wish to listen to
"We The People" but listen instead listen to a small group of people behind the scene?
Do they possibly take orders from a small group of people behind the scene?
I do believe most taxpayers and voters would have a desire for our elected officials do their jobs and be frugal and not wasteful with their money. Yes, every dollar in either governing body's coffers are taxpayer dollars, not some magical dollars for waste.
I also suspect the voters and taxpayers would prefer their elected officials do their jobs in a straightforward and honest manner! I know if the school board is having financial problems they should come to
"We The People" ? as that is their job. It is not the job of their hired help such as the School Superintendent.
Why are our elected officials behaving like those in the Federal Government ?
You know the ones in Washington, DC ?
And maybe behaving even worse !
Aren't we experiencing
right here
right now
the same
"Hope and Change"
attitude
as is in Washington, DC ?
"We The People"
Should be heard!
Just my opinion and questions that go unanswered.
"We the people" doesn't count for much - Lincoln made sure of that. It's just a lot of nice sounding words.
Lincoln was the first President to ever call this country a "nation". That's Lincoln's strong central government to disconnect us from the founding fathers. Are you yankee or Confederate?
What's conservative about the Republican Party? Not much.
Back in
September the West Elk School District Superintendent Mr. Moore started a political storm about School Funding by stating the school district had not received extra funding from the State. I posted an e-mail from a Kansas State analysis's that clearly debunked what he had said.
However, the West Elk School District Superintendent Mr. Moore stated in a news paper article that he was contacting a Mr. Craig Neuenswander and a Mr. Dale M. Dennis of the Kansas State Department of Education and that he would keep us informed. He intently challenged everything I posted and opposed the petition I ran to stop the trickery of attempting to raise our property taxes an additional 8 mil above the 4 mil they had already decided to raise our property taxes. I was not aware that our employee was permitted to politic against the citizens of our area! I heard from several employees of the West Elk School District that they were told by the schools administration that they could not sign the petition because it was political. So how is it then that the school Superintendent as an employee of the School district get involved with the politics of this situation?
But, anyway back to the letters to the letters to Kansas State Department of Education Deputy Commissioners, when does Mr. Moore intend to inform us of their responses?
Did he really write them?
Did they respond?
Where are the letters?
I am anxious to read their responses because, I too contacted the Deputy Commissioners and their boss
Commissioner Randy Watson. I posted what took place with my letters. I updated as soon as I could.. I do believe two months is sufficient time for Mr. Moore to have kept us informed, don't you? So apparently he is not good to his word, Or is he waiting for the New Year?
So I guess the dust has had time to settle and the true facts remain and the Opposition Petition was an excellent decision. Therefore, I quote my earlier post from September:
Quote from: ROSS on April 13, 2015, 09:34:34 PM
The West Elk Superintendent voiced his concern several times last year at board meetings that the school funding might be cut. Well I found this information on line and perhaps it may help ease his concerns.
State Aid excluding KPERS, Special Education and Bond & Interest Aid*
USD # County District Name 2013-14 2014-15 2015-16 2016-17 2014-17 Change
282 Elk West Elk 2,658,989 2,915,014 2,925,185 2,946,507 10.8%
283 Elk Elk Valley 1,481,895 1,534,974 1,540,678 1,552,638 4.8%
Source: Kansas Dept. of Education. Per KSDE, a few smaller aid programs are also not included such as juvenile detention facilities, parents as teachers, pre-K pilot and school food service.
I hope this information is useful to everyone.
The Commissioner and Deputy Commissioners of KDSE contact information is:
Commissioner
Randy Watson
785-296-3202
rwatson@ksde.org
Deputy Commissioner
Craig Neuenswander
785-296-3872
craign@ksde.org
Deputy Commissioner
Dale M. Dennis
785-296-3871
ddennis@ksde.org
Dog gone it, I saw in the paper where Howard got something like $12,000 for repair oif their swimming pool.
But I don't recall Elk Kon-nected being mentioned in the article!
Did i miss something?
What is with that?
No Elk Kon-nected ?
Ross, I do get SOOOO tired of you referring and insinuating to the pool in Howard as it just being only a Howard facility. It is there and for those from all over the county area to use. I know for a fact that youngsters from all over the area get or have gotten swim lessons there in years past as well as this summer.
I grew up here when there was no pool in the county. We youngsters would have to go to Eureka or Sedan to swim safely. Thank goodness many in the area went on a drive to get money and donations to build the pool. I darn near drowned in Elk River back in the early 60s and thank goodness Joe Hebb was a great swimmer and he saved me.It was a great feeling to send my sons to pool lessons in Howard so they had proper swimming lessons in a safe environment. The kids in their classes came from all over. East, west, north and south so it's not just a Howard thing. The fact that many have learned to swim in the pool just may have saved more than a few from drowning is some creek, river, pond or lake.
I do help support the pool and am very glad that we have it available for all in the area that want to use it. Reflecting back I can name several easily recognized family names from ALL of the towns in Elk County plus some from Severy, Piedmont and even Belknap, Fiat and Busby area that have used this fine facility.
As we dwindle in population, we certainly don't need more division of the communities in the area by inferring that the pool is just a Howard thing. Nuff said!
Great Post Dutch, when I Was growing up in Howard, we went swimming at the old Dam, South of Town and the Low water Bridge West of Town, or anyone of a number of Farm Ponds.it was really dangerous, there was someone that Drowned somewhere around Howard in the 50s. Another bad problem was the risk of, Disease, Polio, Typhoid and several others, none of which were good. The fund that the Money came from was from Money left by the late Edith Benson, she was a Piano teacher and Played the Organ and Piano in Church. When I delivered Newspapers, I could hear her Playing, many times. You are right Dutch, that the Pool was Built in Howard for anyone to enjoy, People from anywhere, as much as I hate say it, OBUMA would be Welcome to swim in it, well maybe not Welcomed but would be allowed to.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 05:24:24 AM
Ross, I do get SOOOO tired of you referring and insinuating to the pool in Howard as it just being only a Howard facility. It is there and for those from all over the county area to use. I know for a fact that youngsters from all over the area get or have gotten swim lessons there in years past as well as this summer.
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 05:56:36 AM
Great Post Dutch,
What is so great about his post? Where in my post did I refer or insinuate anything about who owns the pool?
Dutch, I am SOOOO sorry you are SOOOO tired of me referring and insinuating to the pool in Howard as it just being only a Howard facility! But would you please show me in my post where that happened?
Here I quote the post just for your convience:Quote from: ROSS on November 30, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
Dog gone it, I saw in the paper where Howard got something like $12,000 for repair oif their swimming pool.
But I don't recall Elk Kon-nected being mentioned in the article!
Did i miss something?
What is with that?
No Elk Kon-nected ?
I was asking why
Elk Kon-nected, was not mentioned in the newspaper article !
But since you made it a point, a point about the Howard swimming pool being a facility, lets look at that point a little closer, Okay!
The Definition of a facility is space or equipment necessary for doing something.
In this case a swimming pool owned and operated by the city of Howard, Kansas and located in Howard, Kansas.
The City of Howard charges property owners, property taxes to pay their bills and to maintain their city streets and to pay for facility maintenance and to provide other city services!
(http://www.cityofhoward.org/portals/howard/Images/DSCN0575.JPG)
The Howard City Pool as it is, "called" by the City on their web site is a Howard Facility, very simple!
Quote from Howard, Kansas web site:
Howard City Pool
541 South Pennsylvania
Howard, Kansas 67349
http://www.cityofhoward.org/CityGovernment/SwimmingPool.aspx
Sure it's open to the public to use for a price to enter it ! It is not a free service, now is it?
But being a public use facility does not make it an Elk County facility making it everyone's in the County's responsibility to maintain it, now does it?
Where was the responsibility of the Howard City Government pr Council to budget part of their taxes and monies charged for swimming in the pool to be used for maintenance of the pool.
Tossing the drowning fear factor in to the mix was a nice play.
But drowning can happen anywhere.I was raised in Independence where there was a very large swimming pool at the time and many people as well as myself chose to walk right by it and go swimming in the Verdigris River. And many times I went to the Montgomery State Lake 5 miles south of Independence.
And basically here in Elk County the same thing is still happening! A lot of people prefer to go to the creeks and ponds and lakes.
Why?
Perhaps because they are free, perhaps because the swimming spot is closer to home!
There could be any number of reasons they chose the ponds and lake and creeks over a swimming pool. Perhaps there is a rope hanging from a limb over the swimming area!
Perhaps because they can have a small fire for BBQ'ing or just have a picnic!
Some people like to Jet Ski or go fishing and go swimming as well.
Or perhaps they can have a larger group of people and feel more comfortable outside of the fence of the swimming pool.
So Dutch do you really think these people, that perhaps never use the Howard Swimming pool, should be held financially responsible for it's maintenance and upkeep and repair?
Is that your point?
It really is a Howard City facility and a Howard City responsibility isn't it?
On the other hand Howard continues to refer to West Elk USD-282 as Howard West Elk,
as if it is a Howard facility! Could you please explain to me why?
Why deny the facility owned and operated by the City of Howard and yet refer to West Elk USD-282
as Howard West Elk? Howard West Elk USD-282 sits in the middle of Howard, as a decommissioned old
building ready to crater! They haven't torn down the blight on Howard yet, have they?
In closing I'd shall repeat the issue you have brought up and express my opinion and ask for your opinion in the form of a couple of questions!
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 05:24:24 AM
Ross, I do get SOOOO tired of you referring and insinuating to the pool in Howard as it just being only a Howard facility.
Although, I never said anything in my post of
Quote from: ROSS on November 30, 2015, 10:19:58 PM
about it being only a Howard facility, I will once again in the post state that fact.exactly!
The Howard Swimming Pool (facility) is owned and operated by the City of Howard, Kansas!
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 05:24:24 AM
It is there and for those from all over the county area to use. I know for a fact that youngsters from all over the area get or have gotten swim lessons there in years past as well as this summer.
I assume since it is open to the public for a price per person that a person from New York City would be welcome to spend their money at the Howard City Pool, right?
Would you then tell them they are responsibility for the cost of the repair of the pool?
I am not at all against the Howard Swimming Pool, I think it is a great thing for those that want to use a swimming pool. But I also would not advocate that people across the County should be branded as responsible for it's maintenance, upkeep and repairs.
Simply place responsibility where responsibility lies.
Maintenance, upkeep,repairs and new equipment are all part of facilities that get used or aged. I know people that don't have a drivers license or drive on the public roads, however they pay taxes to use the roadways. There are those that have never used a city or county ambulance or firetrucks but they have paid taxes on the service for decades.
There is however an little known alcohol tax that goes into the county as a special recreation fund. This tax accumulates and over time gets to be fairly large. Cities throughout Elk County have tapped into this fund for parks equipment, etc. I have no idea if Elk Connected has ever gotten funds from this source and will not take the time and effort to find out if they have. The point is that some of the drinkers don't use facilities that their taxes go to fund. It would not bother me in the least if the fund was tapped to help with the pool. That's just the way it is in America.
Since it was brought up, for the record, my diploma clearly says West Elk USD 282, and it is from the 60s. This post is my last on this topic lest I get branded as a Keyboard Kommando, or worse yet...an idiot. LOL. See ya!
Dutch, no one thinks you are an Idiot, in fact I like your Posts, and I know others on the Forum that do. Keep on Posting. I don't know who you are, but I really like your style.
Dutch, as I said, I don't know who you are, but I like your style. Ross I liked Dutch's post, because I agreed with what he said and my bet is most of the People on the Forum agree with me. You are just Nitpicking, I don't see where anyone said that you said who owns the Pool. The fact is that the Taxpayers of the City of Howard own the Pool. Why was it necessary to have Elk Konnected mentioned in your Post, Elk Konnected is your Term, for Making all kinds of comments about people mainly all over Elk County, some of your comments in the past were Rude and Abusive. A big THANK YOY to Teressa and Kjell for putting a stop to that. Ross, again you are Nitpicking, I think everyone on the Forum, knows a Drowning can happen anywhere.
Some people prefer to go to Ponds, Rivers and Lakes, to save Money, have great fun, like at the Old Dam, South of Howard, I don't know if it is still there but there used to be a Cable tied way up in a Tree next to the Bank, there was an old Steering Wheel tied to it, you could swing way out over the Water and drop in, what fun and a great thrill. At the Low Water Bridge West of Howard, you could Wash your Vehicle on the Dam, and Swim in the Creek, Some people, not me, would swim Naked if there were no Ladies around.
Ross all property owners, in Howard, pay Taxes, and I am sure most of them do it Gladly.
Ross you and I have discussed before why West Elk is Referred to as Howard west Elk, The School is right at the edge of Howard, what would you have it referred to, Ross West Elk, Eureka West ELk. What Dutch is saying, is it is a Howard Facility because that is where it is located, again, I think you are Nitpicking, but as I have said several times on the Forum, "to each his own". As far as your comment about a Person From New York City being responsible for the Repairs, upkeep and cost of the Lifeguards, they are paying for the cost and repairs when they pay to swim. Well I have rambled enough.
Wow, I didn't think my first post got posted so I made some changes and posted it again. Sorry if I bored anyone, you can read both and decide which one you like the best. As I have said many times, this old age ain't for SISSIES. Have a good day.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
Maintenance, upkeep,repairs and new equipment are all part of facilities that get used or aged. I know people that don't have a drivers license or drive on the public roads, however they pay taxes to use the roadways. There are those that have never used a city or county ambulance or firetrucks but they have paid taxes on the service for decades.
The real point is not who uses it, but who owns it, and who is responsible for it.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
There is however an little known alcohol tax that goes into the county as a special recreation fund. This tax accumulates and over time gets to be fairly large. Cities throughout Elk County have tapped into this fund for parks equipment, etc. I have no idea if Elk Connected has ever gotten funds from this source and will not take the time and effort to find out if they have. The point is that some of the drinkers don't use facilities that their taxes go to fund. It would not bother me in the least if the fund was tapped to help with the pool. That's just the way it is in America.
No sir Dutch it is a well known fund. And the fund was being abused in my opinion and other peoples opinions by
Elk Kon-nected. When
Elk Kon-nectedasked the
Kon-nected Kounty Kommissioners would not recuse themselves ! And since there were two of them voting yes and only one Commissioner voting no,
Elk Kon-nectedgot what ever money they want.
However there came a time when the tables were turned and there was only on
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner and it was voted to divide the money up proportionally by population and given to each Community. So Howard has been getting their fair share of the recreational money.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
Since it was brought up, for the record, my diploma clearly says West Elk USD 282, and it is from the 60s. This post is my last on this topic lest I get branded as a Keyboard Kommando, or worse yet...an idiot. LOL. See ya!
That is all well and good and I am proud you got your diploma.
However the KSDE web site shows the dilapidated building in Howard as officially Howard West Elk and gives it's address. They also show new Howard West Elk as being just outside the city limits of Howard. There in lies the reason it is not Howard West Elk and the one in the center of Howard was labeled as Howard West Elk by KSDE. I can't seem to find the right web page for this information right now. I suppose they may delete or change out dated information like any other web site.
Thanks for your response.
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
Dutch, as I said, I don't know who you are, but I like your style.
Good job frawin, good job!
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
Ross I liked Dutch's post, because I agreed with what he said and my bet is most of the People on the Forum agree with me.
There is just simply no way to know how many of the 2,655 (2013 census) people of Elk County may or may not agree with you. So your point in saying that is moot! But you just like me, you are entitled to our own opinions, are we not?
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
You are just Nitpicking, I don't see where anyone said that you said who owns the Pool.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 05:24:24 AM
Ross, I do get SOOOO tired of you referring and insinuating to the pool in Howard as it just being only a Howard facility.
So who is nitpicking now?
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
The fact is that the Taxpayers of the City of Howard own the Pool.
That was my point in my post to dutch. Thank you for confirming and supporting my point.
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
Why was it necessary to have Elk Konnected mentioned in your Post, Elk Konnected is your Term, for Making all kinds of comments about people mainly all over Elk County, some of your comments in the past were Rude and Abusive. A big THANK YOY to Teressa and Kjell for putting a stop to that. Ross, again you are Nitpicking,
Apparently Teressa and Kjell didn't put a stop to your rudeness, did they?
How rude of you to be so nitpicking and making off the wall untrue statements and calling me nitpicking!
More about your nitpicking because I appreciate it. It provides an opportunity to make my point and express my opinions.
Sure, I admit some of my remarks in the past have been rude gut they were in response to even ruder remarks. Just as your remark of "nitpicking" is rude! I'm human too! And you too have made plenty of rude remarks.
You didn't know that
Elk Kon-nected went to the Howard City Council and request permission to raise money for the swimming pool?
Elk Kon-nected is not my term, I can not take credit for being so imaginative, but thanks anyway. I did add a hyphen to it to indicate that I think the
Kon-nection appears broken to me.
Elk Kon-nected is the creation of an organization here in Elk County called Elk Konnected, LLC.
And no it was not about people all over Elk County, it was all about in my opinion, as expressed in this thread, "The Old Guard" in a new dress and County Commissioners
kon-nected to
Elk Kon-nected.
You know what, I never heard you call joesue down for the extremely long list of extremely rude posts he or she made when he or she first came on the forum! Why is that?
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
I think everyone on the Forum, knows a Drowning can happen anywhere.
So then what was the point in dutch bringing up the point of drowning?
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Some people prefer to go to Ponds, Rivers and Lakes, to save Money, have great fun, like at the Old Dam, South of Howard, I don't know if it is still there but there used to be a Cable tied way up in a Tree next to the Bank, there was an old Steering Wheel tied to it, you could swing way out over the Water and drop in, what fun and a great thrill. At the Low Water Bridge West of Howard, you could Wash your Vehicle on the Dam, and Swim in the Creek, Some people, not me, would swim Naked if there were no Ladies around. [/quote]
This pretty much mirrors what I said, except for the nudity. LOL
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
Ross all property owners, in Howard, pay Taxes, and I am sure most of them do it Gladly.
I made the point about property taxes and how their taxes should be used in a financial manner for upkeep and maintenance and repairs of city owned property. However, I can not state whether or not the people pay property taxes GLADY or not! That is beyound my ability to know.
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
Ross you and I have discussed before why West Elk is Referred to as Howard west Elk, The School is right at the edge of Howard, what would you have it referred to, Ross West Elk, Eureka West ELk. What Dutch is saying, is it is a Howard Facility because that is where it is located, again, I think you are Nitpicking, but as I have said several times on the Forum, "to each his own".
Yes we have discussed the name before but you can not seem to accept it true name. And you won't let it go!
I would prefer it be referred to as what the State calls it, the name it was given!
KSDE calls the school West Elk Unified School District 282 or West Elk USD-282.
Reference: https://online.ksde.org/rcard/district.aspx?org_no=D0282
Posted at reference page:
USD 282
West Elk
PO Box 607
Howard, KS 67349-0607
(620) 374-2113 (620) 374-2414
Title 1 District Show Buildings
It is outside the City of Howard unlike the old building that was built inside Howard city limits and therefore was called Howard West Elk.
I bet you don't recall Howard City Council considering moving their city limits out to encompass West Elk USD-383, do you?
Quote from: frawin on December 01, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
As far as your comment about a Person From New York City being responsible for the Repairs, upkeep and cost of the Lifeguards, they are paying for the cost and repairs when they pay to swim. Well I have rambled enough.
That was an intended silly remark, to show the silliness of insinuating that some how all the citizens of Elk County should be responsible for the repairs of Howard's Swimming Pool, just because a few may actually swim there.
Thanks for pointing out that the few that do swim there are paying for the repairs through paying to swim there.
Oh, I went and read all 7 of Dutch's post and 6 out of 7 were simply terrific, in my personal opinion.
This has been real fun, thanks again for the entertainment.
From the time it was built in 1978 untill the time the grade schools were consolidated to the Jr-Sr high campus, the building on the south edge of Howard was called "Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High School".
That is what my diploma from the mid '80s says.
This information is from the KSDE and can be found at http://uapps.ksde.org/k12/building.aspx?org_no=D0282&bldg_no=2442 (http://uapps.ksde.org/k12/building.aspx?org_no=D0282&bldg_no=2442)
Quote from: flintauqua on December 01, 2015, 06:50:48 PM
From the time it was built in 1978 untill the time the grade schools were consolidated to the Jr-Sr high campus, the building on the south edge of Howard was called "Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High School".
That is what my diploma from the mid '80s says.
This information is from the KSDE and can be found at http://uapps.ksde.org/k12/building.aspx?org_no=D0282&bldg_no=2442 (http://uapps.ksde.org/k12/building.aspx?org_no=D0282&bldg_no=2442)
Why thank you that web page confirms that the Howard West Elk is closed.
It says:
HOWARD WEST ELK JR-SR HIGH - WEST ELK USD 282
Elk County
1199 State Highway 99
PO Box 278
Howard, KS 67349-0278
CURRENT STATUS:
*** CLOSED *** and I do believe that refers to "HOWARD WEST ELK JR-SR HIGH" because that was the "JR-SR HIGH"
West Elk is K through 12, Not "JR-SR HIGH"
And if you look closely you will see and read:
"You are Here:K-12 Reports » Elk County » WEST ELK USD 282 » HOWARD WEST ELK JR-SR HIGH"
West Elk being "K-12" and Howard West Elk being "Jr-Sr High".
BUILDING #: 2442 NCES ID: 00431
BUILDING TYPE: High School
YEAR BUILT: 1978 DATE OPENED: 08/01/1978
DATE CLOSED: 06/10/2010
The High School was closed and K-12 was opened on 06/10/2010
So, I too was a bit mis-informed.
The new building was known as Howard West Elk Jr-Sr High up until DATE CLOSED: 06/10/2010 and
re-opened as West Elk K-12.
I think we all learned something new today through communications and conversation. Excellent!
Thanks flintauqua.
Quote from: dutch on December 01, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
It would not bother me in the least if the fund was tapped to help with the pool. That's just the way it is in America.
Just because that's the way it is in America doesn't make it right. We complain about some social programs while we cherish the "benefits" of other programs. It's like a giant socialist smorgasboard to select the varities of socialist programs we deem to be 'needed".
Some like Obama's socialism - some prefer the Republican brand of socialism.
Thank liberty - oppose socialism.
Red, to each his own. Not everyone agrees with you. I consider being a Republican as being Conservative. You make lots of posts I don't agree with and my bet is not many people in Elk County agree with you.
Frawin,
To each his own you say. However, why do you claim the "conservative" label when it's clear that you're very supportive of the liberal trends of the Republican party - the old and modern trends of the Republican party?
The central government (Fed's) means so much to you that it's difficult to see you as any lasting sort of staunch 2nd amendment supporter.
Red
Red, the problem is that I do not consider the Republican party as Liberal. All my Family are Republicans and none of them support or voted for OBUMA. You are like a broken record and I think you are totally full of Horse Manure.I have asked you before please do not answer my posts and I will try my best not to answer yours.
I've been trying not to respond to yer posts but sometimes I just get the notion to do it.
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Property tax showdown coming in 2016
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Cities and counties are not restricted in the amount of tax increases they can propose under the new law; they just need voter approval if the collective increase on property that was taxed in the previous year is proposed to exceed inflation. Tax collections attributable to new property hitting the tax rolls each year are exempt from the inflation calculation.
Local governments have expressed concern about the timing for holding property tax votes given budget submission deadlines, but those logistical issues could possibly be addressed. The bottom line is that local governments do not want citizens to have direct input on property tax increases. Indeed, Johnson County officials surveyed residents earlier this year, asking residents if they would support several property increase proposals; the answer each time was a resounding 'no,' But by a vote of 4-3, county commissioners rammed through a 21% tax increase to take effect in 2016.
Citizens, however, strongly support having direct input through the voting booth. A statewide public opinion survey conducted by SurveyUSA on behalf of Kansas Policy Institute says 50% of Kansans believe voting on property tax increases is a good idea that should be immediately implemented; 19% think it's a good idea that should be implemented in 2018 and only 19% think it is a bad idea (see Question #5). Broad support for voter input (69% - 19%) extends across all cross-sections, including ideology and geography:
Conservative ideology 64% to 16%
Moderate ideology 73% to 20%
Liberal ideology 64% to 25%
Western Kansas 85% to 13%
Wichita area 67% to 19%
Kansas City area 69% to 19%
Eastern Kansas * 64% to 21%
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Citizens' strong desire for direct input is likely driven by multiple factors. Local government officials routinely contend that they have not increased property taxes because mill rates have not changed much, but Question #3 shows strong citizen disagreement with that position. Sixty percent of Kansans consider it a tax increase when government increases the value of their property even if the mill rate is unchanged, while only 24% don't consider that to be a tax increase. Ironically, 60% of government employees included in the survey also consider that circumstance to be a tax increase.
The fact that property taxes have increased several times faster than inflation is another impetus for strong voter desire for input. Kansas' 105 counties recorded an average increase of 124% between 1997 and 2014, or nearly three times the inflation rate of 44% (BLS, Midwest Urban Cities). Sixty-six counties actually increased taxes faster than inflation even though their population declined.
Shawnee County property tax collections increased 109% while population rose just 8%. Douglas County taxes leaped by 239% (one of the highest in the state) with a population increase of 28%. Property tax increases for large cities (cities of the 1st Class by population) are also running well ahead of inflation, averaging 102%. Topeka logged an 86% tax increase with population up only 3%, while Lawrence raised property taxes by 190% with a 24% population increase. Property tax and mill rate data is provided by the Kansas Department of Revenue, Property Valuation Division. Changes for all counties and major cities are available at KansasOpenGov.org.
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The socialists would rather not give the public the opportumity to vote because the public might not support more social spending in the socialist government schools.
I have held off saying for quite a while.
No, I haven't gone away. Just been very busy!
I'm wondering is Elk County going to continue being governed the way of the Federal Government is!
I'm talking about serving the self-interest of persons elected to office, instead of serving Elk County as a whole. We pay these people, what, $800.00 a month to attend two meetings a month, for maybe 3 or 4 hours per meeting? Can't we expect better behavior on their part.
And as I have pointed out many, many times two of the board members appear to be
Kon nected to a private LLC. That LLC is
Elk Kon nected which was started and is ran by Liz Hendricks who I believe is considered one of the so-called elite.
Elk Kon nected appeared in their first few months to be Community Organizers, you know like Obama before he became a politician. This organization appears to serve only a few of the so-called elite of Elk County and nothing more. Now a days, we don't hear anything from them, But I feel certain they are still out there.
Do you Remember, Ms. Hendricks open letter on the internet about how they tried to filter out the
"Old Guard" from
Elk Kon nected ?Remember, how I referred to
Elk Kon nected as the
"Old Guard" in a
"New Dress"? Well, I never did recieve any
rebuttal that leaves me to believe it must be true.
We have a school board who's only goal appears to be to spend money and raise property taxes every year. This last year besides raising our property tax the allowable 4 mill which is allowable without a citizens vote, they tried to slip in another 8 mil via a resolution printed in the news paper. However that was stopped by an
Oppositition Petition thanks to voters. Voters in Elk County do have a say if they want it. The school board also has people on it associated with
Elk Kon nected You see where this is going. Doesn't it sound just like a bunch of liberal demorates? Spend till it hurts. Forget having a budget and just raise the tax ceiling.
What's conservative about any of that?
So what's my point? Where am I going with this? I am trying to get there.
Bare with me please.
I had heard, at the court house months ago of giving County money to some community, so they could fix their streets. Well, I commented, that is not the purpose of County Government money, to give it away! I stated if the County doesn't want the money, reduce the County property taxes and return money to the taxpayers. And then if the communities, towns or cities want to increase their property taxes to get money to fix their roads they could do that. Remember all that?
Well, some time during the last couple of months, I heard that one of the two
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners was seen and heard at a Howard
City Council Meeting concerning the closure of the Howard Nursing Home. I consider my source a very reliable source but I can't and won't disclose his name. But what he heard was the
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners offering County money, my money and your money to try to keep a losing entity open. A bail out just like the Democrat Federal Government did for the banks. She was heard telling them that Elk County had all kinds of money just ask. I understand this person is not a citizen of Howard and therefore in my opinion, she has no more say in
Howard City Business than I d0. It appears she was in attendance as an
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners offering money she had no business offering. She apparently doesn't understand where the line is drawn? Is that highly educated or what?
Just consider how that nursing home was ran. They hired someone with absolutely no Managerial Skill of the magnitude necessary to operate it. They paid that person, I was told $60,000.00 a year, if my memory serves me right. They then hired someone with experience to train her, and boy, I know that was expensive. Of course they told her, she would have to reimberse Howard back for that expense. But where was the contract with her, that would be needed to enforce such a promise. Apparently after being trained she must have received a better job offer or something else happened and poof she was gone. Did they get reimbursed for the training xpenses? I doubt it ! Yet some more highly educated activity, isn't it?
It's was assumed the
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner probably had a relative living in the nursing home and it would be inconvenient for her, if her relative was moved to Independence or some other town. Is that a great way for a
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner to do business with your tax dollars. Self serving !
Now, think about that nursing home building for a minute. The city sold out the nursing home to cover some of their losses. And I really don't understand exactly what was sold but the city got to keep the building. Now think about the old school building that is finally being demolished after 30 or 40 years of deteriorating.
That took a private individual to buy the structure solely for the purpose of removing that blight in Howard. What is going to happen with the vacated Nursing home? The same thing as the old school building?
Or will it be sold cheap to an individual to turn into another restaurant and motel like the one in Moline?
But folks that is not the purpose of Elk County taxpayer money. By that I mean it is not the duty of one (1)
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner to offer a bail out to the
City of Howard.
But let's just give some thought to Ms. Hendricks remarks about
"The Old Guard".So, I suggest to you as voters to be responsible and change your voting habits.
Stop voting the same people into office.
I also suggest to you that it does not take owning a business, it does not take a college
education to run for the positions or to do the job.
If you can balance your checkbook and maintain a budget at home and have some common sense you are more than qualified to do the job.
If an education were a requirement the best education might be in accounting or management or law.
How many of our elected officials have those degrees. I'd venture to say none. What's your guess?
How many might you guess, might be the
"Old Guard".Ask your friends, your family members, people you trust to take up the challenge and run for local office's. Make Elk County a better place to live ! Just by being honest politicians and not self serving politicians.
I again suggest it is time for change. Replace as many of the
money wasting politicians that are always in office as possible. There will be more elections in Elk County.
Prepare for those elections with new candidates, start planning now.
I'm sure the Elite are.
Stay warm, stay safe and stay thinking.
And remember
you have the power
to make it happen.
I don't disagree except your Elk County Republicans had a pretty solid conservative County Commmissioner in Doug Ritz and voted against him in the Republican Primary. Most Republicans in Elk County are not much different than Republicans elsewhere. They're liberal and socialist. Republicans like to say they are against Obama and socialism but they're not.
Ross, you're conservative and you do a good job of spotting and calling out the liberals/socialists. You're outnumbered. There's too many Republicans and re-constructed Democrats in Elk County and beyond for now. I admire you for staying right in there. Sooner or later, we win, they lose.
Doug wasn't there to kiss any butt and neither is Hebb.
Both men in my opinion were and are interested in the best for Elk County
not some special group.
I tip my hat to both of them.
Remember all the talk of children and how they were being used through out this thread?
Well look who is using and exploiting children now.
And I have to mention there is talk That Obama wants to be the world president.
And I have to mention there is talk he is veying for President of the UN.
I say: Get The US out of the UN
and
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Then move to a different state
Government schools are everywhere in the USA. That was the Republican goal after their victory defeating America in 1865. And some of you think Obama is bad? Obama is a prodfuct of the Republican agenda.
Ross, if you're gonna stay with the government schools, there's not much you can do except stay put and stay on'em where you are.
Just my thoughts on American socialism.
Quote from: proelkco on January 29, 2016, 10:04:26 PM
Then move to a different state
That is just about the most mis-guided remark, I think I could possibly ever read concerning valuable information.
I am appalled that you think moving to a different state is the answer.
There are people and groups that have been warning of,
"The Dumbing Down of America " for decades. And here is the proof in this article.
Why do you think there are so many foreigners coming into the country every year on visa's doing very high paying jobs and taking the money home and coming back year after year? And there was congressional legislation passed in just the last few days that increases the number of people on visa's to continue to come here to work in these high paying jobs that require more education.
Perhaps, you did not comprehend the post.
The article states, it is
a national problem.
The article also states,
"A nation that under performs."So, I ask what good does moving to another state do?
Even the Kansas Department of Education says our schools are only performing on an average level.
And I bet the other states DOE's say the same thing.
And how does that help the students in Kansas acquire a better education?
And if you are pro elk county, wouldn't you prefer a better education for children in Elk County?
It also stated,
"there is no correlation between spending and achievement."(Meaning that continually increasing property taxes is not going to improve education.)In case you didn't read the article, it also says:"And for those who want to blame it on some bogus claim that it all has to do with spending, consider this: data used by Quality Counts ranks Kansas 15th in spending and 41st in achievement."
Is the truth to difficult to deal with?
Or are sports more important than education to you?
Just asking.
The article being discussed is at: http://kansaspolicy.org/KPIBlog/131347.aspx
Ladies and Gentlemen
Hobos and Tramps
Cross eyed Misquotes
and Bowl Legged Ants
As I stand here before you
and set there behind you
I'm here to tell you a story
I know nothing about
Is this the way we want our local county government to work?
Do we want our local county government giving money away?
They call it allocating still just giving it away.
I don't know about you, but I don't like them giving my tax dollar away!
I pay taxes to support the county not to provide
welfare to the cities!And I'm pretty sure we can guess who will get the biggest share of the
FREE money.
Just reread my previous partial post:
Quote from: ROSS on January 09, 2016, 06:46:40 PM
I had heard, at the court house months ago of giving County money to some community, so they could fix their streets. Well, I commented, that is not the purpose of County Government money, to give it away! I stated if the County doesn't want the money, reduce the County property taxes and return money to the taxpayers. And then if the communities, towns or cities want to increase their property taxes to get money to fix their roads they could do that. Remember all that?
Well, some time during the last couple of months, I heard that one of the two Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners was seen and heard at a Howard City Council Meeting concerning the closure of the Howard Nursing Home. I consider my source a very reliable source but I can't and won't disclose his name. But what he heard was the Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners offering County money, my money and your money to try to keep a losing entity open. A bail out just like the Democrat Federal Government did for the banks. She was heard telling them that Elk County had all kinds of money just ask. I understand this person is not a citizen of Howard and therefore in my opinion, she has no more say in Howard City Business than I d0. It appears she was in attendance as an Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners offering money she had no business offering. She apparently doesn't understand where the line is drawn? Is that highly educated or what?
It's was assumed the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner probably had a relative living in the nursing home and it would be inconvenient for her, if her relative was moved to Independence or some other town. Is that a great way for a Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner to do business with your tax dollars. Self serving !
Are our
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners buying some favors ?
Or are our
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners buying recognition ?
Why do they think they were placed in the position of County Commissioner to give money away?
Why do the cities require
welfare?Are they incapable of taking care of their own responsibilities?
Are they incapable of budgeting for their needs?
How about if they drop their city limits and their city councils and become just part of Elk County Government? Especially if they are incapable of budgeting for their own needs. This would relieve the residents of the additional city property tax.
You know like in the suggestions from
Elk Kon nected on page one of this thread. Consolidate and have one central government. And I quote just that portion of the suggestions:
Quote from: ROSS on April 26, 2011, 07:00:15 AM
Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)
Then the County Commissioners would have the responsibility of taking care of the infrastructure! !
How's that for an idea?.
No, they wouldn't want do that!
I'm sure they would not want to have to answer to the County Commissioners.
I have another idea, give me some of that
FREE money for infrastructure on my little farm.
Infrastructure definition - the basic physical and organizational structures and facilities (e.g., buildings, roads, and power supplies) needed for the operation of a society or enterprise.
My little farm is my enterprise. And my enterprise could use a wind generator and solar cells to make it more efficient and Green, lowering my carbon foot print. Maybe you could give me enough of that
FREE money to build an indoor riding arena as well.
Better yet why don't you lower property taxes for everyone and that would permit the cities to raise their property taxes for their residents to fulfill and requirements their citizens are prepared to pay for. Why did I start this post with the beginning of a very old poem?
Why am I talking stupid and posting part of earlier posts?
Here is why:I visited the Elk County web site and found something I was not looking for.
WIND FARM PILOT ALLOCATION TO CITIES
The Elk County Commissioners are considering allocating some of the wind farm PILOT money for infrastructure projects in the cities. They would appreciate public input on the matter February 8th at 1:00 p.m. during the Public Comment period or by phone or letter by that date.You can check it out for yourself at : http://elkcountyks.org/docs/WINDFARM%20PILOT%20ALLOCATION%20TO%20CITIES.pdf
I hope a lot of people show up at this meeting to voice their opinion about the
TWO Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners wanting to be the Welfare Agency for the cities and give them
FREE money.
Personally, I think the County Government should stick to County Business and let the Cities stick to City business.
The county has been receiving enough complaints about the county roads and I'm sure they could put more money into that effort before giving away
FREE money. Don't you?
Does-Money-Burn-A-Hole-In-Your-Pocket- ?
Looks like the whole country is geared to socialism and tyranny. I wouldn't be surprised at anything coming from the County Commission in Elk County. They're Republicans and most Republicans are not conservative. They just want us to think they are. We know them as liberals and/or neocons.
Well, I wanted to do this yesterday but a computer problem had to show up.
That forced me to reset the whole computer, Now I have to reload a bunch of programs.
Anyway --- Here I am with my say about yesterdays Elk County Commissioners meeting.
One more crybaby thing first. I get so frustrated with bad hearing and the hearing aids don't help that much. No matter how loud I turn them up, they don't help with the sound pitch I don't here. It really is frustrating.
However I am prepared to pass on what I know.
I am biased, I totally admit that. Please keep that in mind.
The Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Meeting
Of 02/08/2015 !
They started out approving the minutes of the previous and moved directly to open forum.
Elk Kon nected Kounty KommissionersShari Kaminska who is chairperson now stated they would not permit extended speaking and so on. In other words we will censor you ! She also stated that remarks would be on the record !
I just could not fully understand what the first man said (not his fault) so I can't quote him. But he appeared to be a bit frustrated about giving money away.
Then I was called on.
My very first question was, What City Councilman or Mayor has stood here in front of this Commissioners Board and has asked for money?
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska said, "No One."
I then told her, I had heard she had attended a Howard City Council meeting and told the Council she has all kinds of money in the County Government. I then asked her. "Is there was any truth to that?
Of course I got the answer I expected.
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska said, "No."
(I had a very reliable source tell me this is exactly what happened and it was during one of the meetings concerning shutting down the nursing home. I posted this information several posts back.}
I wanted to say, "Thank You Hillary, but restrained myself."
Since no city government officials had no need to come to the County Commissioners and request a hand out, I would have to assume one of three things.
1. The City Officials don't need the Money.
2. The City Officials ether don't understand or don't like the system and how it works.
3. "OR" Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska went out of her way and went to the City Officials. (And she did. Explanation coming up a few lines down)
Well people kept expressing their concern about giving away money from the Elk County Government tax coffers to the City Councils tax coffers. Mot in those words.
(And no matter what it is called or what account it is in, it is from the Elk County tax coffers. Don't let them fool you with "P.I.L.O.T.")
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska continued a sales pitch of reasons for giving WELFARE to the cities. I may not cover them all but :
1. They pay County Taxes too!
2. We farmers use their roads more than they use county roads.
(The county roads are there for them to use just the same. Just like the fire department and the Ambulance Service and the Sheriff's Department. We all pay for all of it with our taxes whether we use them ofr not. So this point is moot.)
3. The farmers tear up the city roads with all their heavy equipment. (Give me a break.)
4. Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska said she lives in Bigsby the ghost Town area and she has to travel to Longton to shop (7 miles ?) or to Howard (14 miles) to shop on gravel roads and that rough on tires. And she says if we don't fix up the cities roads they might got the way of Bigsby and become ghost towns.And if roads aren't fixed I might have to travel the shorter distance to Fredonia to shop. In my books we are now talking Economic Development and she alluded to that.
Folks throwing money away at a dying community because they elected officials lack the knowledge or ability to budget for repairs to their infrastructure is just that, throwing money away. I don't care who the cheerleaders is. Because if the elected officials have lacked the knowledge or ability to budget for infrastructure then they still still lack the ability today. And the infrastructure will deteriorate all over again.
And at least the City of Howard has a Chamber of Commerce and economic development is the function of such an organization. It is an organization of the store owners and by the store owners. The very people we pay our money to for their merchandise.
Now, let me ask you folks that are reading this. If you had some major hardships could you still pay your property taxes. Most of us I believe have some emergency funds and could do just that, pay our property taxes.But just suppose things got bad enough that you couldn't pay your taxes for say three years. Would Elk County say, it's okay we will bail you out like we did the cities! Can you see that happening? Really can you?
I'm a bit sick and tired of politicians and their OFWELFARE bailouts, handouts and freebies at the expense of the hard working taxpayer. Aren't you?
Well as the meeting went on a person asked what's going to happen when the money runs out? How much of the millions from the last several years have been set aside for future use? Are all the county bills paid off?
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska as about to respond when in walked a county employee and stated that there was $650,000.00 set aside.And that is when County Commissioner Hebb spoke up and said there may have been $650,000.00 at one time now it is down to only $150,000.00 left in that account. And Commissioner Hebb continued to discuss County expenses and debt. We still owe money on road graders and I don't recall what else he said.. But he listed off numerous expensive jobs coming up for the county. Good Jo Commissioner Hebb, we need at least one thinking conservative on the Board.
If we only had two thinking conservatives on the Board, Elk County would be blessed.
Well upon deciding to close the open forum of the meeting Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska made a few remarks and she remarked that she had visited with various officials from each of the cities concerning repairing their infrastructures. And she mentioned the WELFARE give away would rum several years. But there was never mentioned of how many hundreds of thousands of dollars she was talking about.
$$$,$$$,$$
Whoa pony, just slow down a little bit there! Didn't Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska at the first of the meeting deny going to the cities? So what is the truth "HILLARY" ?
I had to leave the meeting as I had other commitments. However, I received a call right after the meeting informing of some interesting information.
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska's baby of building an EMS out on the Rodeo Grounds at Hwy 160 and 99 cross roads is not going to happen. Their grant request was denied. I know this should make a number of people happy. Especially if they are conservative as it saves the County several hundreds of thousands of dollars. $$$,$$$,$$
So now the Elk County Government will now be talking with Howard about using the old Nursing Home. That nursing home is like a rock wrapped around Howards neck because it really has no real value to Howard, but they still have to pay taxes on it. Hence the rock. If the County Commissioners are smart they can buy it for a song and a dance or have Howard donate it to the county.
Oop my mistake It is only the Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner that have money to give away.
$$$,$$$,$$ FREE MONEY $$$,$$$,$$
"GO ELK KONNECTED"
OR
"GO OLD BOYS CLUB"
OR
"GO OLD GUARD"
OR
"GO ALL THREE"
But really my thought remains the "OLD GUARD" in a "NEW DRESS" !
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Just reading this weeks Prairie Star page two (2) and the Editor speaking about the candidates, majoring I minor and minoring in major subjects and how can we keep small towns from dying and so forth. And just like the candidates he offers no answers himself. How convenient is that?.
I feel pretty confident in saying we all realize all politicians running for office are lying to one degree or another.
The editors question, "How do we keep small towns from dying?"
I believe that responsibility lies with the cities elected officials. Responsibility of elected officials should be held high and reported on Unbiased, by responsible and unbiased reporters. And the same goes for County Governments, especially Elk County Government. Put all government officials feet should be held to the fire of responsibility.
What are they are their responsibilities?
Do they know?
Of course, I am speaking mainly of Elk County Government but it also applies to all Governments.
Is it an Elk County Government Commissioner responsibility, to turn Elk County Socialist? Or a Welfare Office?
Is it an Elk County Government Commissioners responsibility to give away Elk County Money to the City Governments in Elk County?
Most importantly is it the responsibility of an Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner to go out canvassing the Cities officials asking how much money they want?
Is it an Elk County Government Commissioners responsibility to allow an (NGO) Non Governmental Organization or "Old Guard" or "Good Old Boys Club" to influence the County Governments Agenda?
Well as I continue to read the Prairie Star page 17 "Letters From Our Readers" The writer discuss's how Obama got elected by offering everything free. Folks that is Socialism! What is wrong with that? You, the working person has to pay for all those freebies for people that just don't want to work. The lady also addresses being a conservative and I commend her on that. To bad we don't have more conservatives on the Elk County Commissioners Board. The lady is quite correct that we need honest people to run for office and I agree. But I'd like to add, people that understand the responsibility and integrity and loyalty to the position and not extend themselves beyond the position. Such extension, beyond the position such as canvassing other government agencies to give money to! Especially without a voted consent of the board itself, is simply self-aggrandizing. The Loyalty would mean focusing on County business and bills and no further. Responsibility and Integrity and Loyalty does not mean, I want to build a big expensive building, so I can have my name placed on a plaque at the building, so I can feel important!
Yes, I am speaking of Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner District 1 Chairman Sharri Kaminska. Who in my personal opinion owes everyone in Elk County an apology for overstepping her boundaries and offering up socialism!
And for Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner District 3 K.R. "Kenney" Liebau you still make a very good yes man on the Board.
And as for "Elk County Commissioner District 2 Gary Hebb" it is good to know we still have a real conservative on the Board, that is interested in County business. We need two more just like you.
Two the other two that feel they need to give County MONEY away, please return my tax dollars first and everyone else's tax dollars, afterall you are basically saying you don't need them.
It is time to vote two more real conservatives onto the County Commissioners Board, isn't it?
Okay who is going to be first to tell me to move if i don't like it?
Who else is tired of tax money being wasted?
There was an elderly lady at the board meeting complaining of high property taxes and rightly so. But the problem is the County gives you a tax break and West Elk School Board sucks it right up. So, that is not a County problem. So to moving on with another step in this dialog read on.
Remember the West Elk School District Superintendents rant about a petition stopping a sneaky attempt at raising our property taxes and additional 8 mil. They had already raised them 4 mil. Remember how he was going to get back to us with financial information from Topeka? Where is that information?
The extra tax hike apparently wasn't needed. The school has not shut down or cut any spending on sports or elsewhere.
I'm not surprised that two Republicans would defend a socialist view. It's good that one Commissioner is a conservative who has American principles and that he will stand against the other two who don't.
I have never understood why elected officials think they have a right to steal from one government coffer and give to another government coffer? Are there no ethics or morals left in this country?
I don't understand how the elected elite can sleep at night if they are incapable of running their business as elected officials and budget for their constituents needs. But that they are willing to give up their ethics and accept other peoples stolen money. I'd like to hear an explanation of how that works for them?
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The part about republican is labeled wrong. it should say Conservative!
Because there really is no difference between the two parties.
If I were a part of the previously mentioned trickery, I'd be ashamed to show my face in public.
And that means if i were
"Elk Kon nected"
or
"Good Ole Boys Club"
or the
"Old Guard in a New Dress"
LOL
The business by the
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner about Busby being a ghost town and that the other cities in Elk County may go the same way is just so much bull and it had nothing to do with roads or infrastructure.
I'd like to suggest reading about Busby and learn why it became a ghost town at: https://esirc.emporia.edu/bitstream/handle/123456789/1313/Richards%20Vol%205%20Num%201.pdf?sequence=4
For the story of Busby please scroll down to the middle of page 25.
Here is just a note from the story that explains why communities become ghost Towns:
When did all this begin and when will it end - this birth and death
struggle? The first question is easier to answer than the second. The first is
a matter of history, and records are still available to give us the answers.
The answer to the second question is a matter of conjecture. There seems
to be a universal law involved: That which serves tends to survive; that
which fails to serve disappears. The institution of feudalism which dominated
Europe for hundreds of years, the trade guilds of olden times, the
order of nobility, the crown and coronet, the soothsayer, the medicine
show - all these and more have disappeared or are rapidly going because
they lost their value of being. The stagecoach gave
way to the railroad; the horse-drawn carriage to the automobile; the
candle and kerosene lamp to electric lights. Even the horse, the faithful
servant of man for centuries has been supplanted by new inventions. These
passed not because they did not serve, but because some other could serve
better. It may be that the small town has served its day. On the other hand
it may be that the small town may find a way of serving better. Who
knows~
But just to go another step I have read in official papers at West Elk USD-283 that the overall residency of Elk County diminished as all the small farms were bought up and became part of a larger farm and family's left the county.
I have also been told after fires burnt the south side of Moline businesses that the merchants collected their insurance settlements and lleft rather than rebuild.
So was it roads and infrastructure that is basically the death of Elk County or is it perhaps attitude.
Will roads and infrastructure bring people to live in Elk County, if there are no jobs for them to make a decent living?
Will roads and infrastructure bring people to Elk County to shop in the stores?
Who is kidding who?
You're right.
You wouldn't make a very good Republican or modern Democrat.
Stay right in there.
WIND FARM PILOT ALLOCATION TO CITIES
The Elk County Commissioners are considering allocating some of the wind farm PILOT money for infrastructure projects in the cities.
Sharri Kaminska County Commissioner The statement you posted (above) does not represent the Elk County Commissioners as a whole.
It appears to me to only represent you and possibly "Elk Kon nected" and/or "The Old Guard". .
You as a County Commissioner morally and ethically should not be soliciting the give away of county taxpayers money.
And as you told me during the Commissioners meeting not a single City Mayor or City Councilman or City Manager has come before the County Commissioners Board asking or begging for money.
Yes, you had a yes man setting on the Commissioners Board but even he seemed unsure of himself on this subject.
But, there is also a true conservative on the board whose interest is in County Business and showed true leadership abilities by remaining with in the boundaries of the position he holds.
Where as in my opinion you are like plenty of Federal Government Employees that lack the knowledge of the boundaries provided to them.
It's the attitude --- it's someone else's money --- so I can give it away. Its much like the
Elk Kon nected K.R. "Kenny" Liebau attitude, he once said, "His job is to spend money". And I think we all realize it it much more than that.
You both are sounding more like
Bernie Sanders the Socialists and
Obama the Destroyer and
Elk Kon nected the Non Governmental Organization that came into being because of the Wind Farm wind fall. Everyone appears to be greedy and want that money. Some to put a feather in her hat, a feather of importance, others for their own pleasure.
County money is not for those kinds of things. If you have a desire to give money and be a
philanthropist I'd suggest you go to your own account and leave the county accounts alone. You were not elected to county office to be philanthropists with taxpayer money, plain and simple.
Now a little wake up call for you the money's collected instead of full taxation are called P.I.L.O.T for that reason alone. It represents only a small share of what their property taxes would actually be. Consequently they end up in the county coffers just like my property taxes, and everyone else's property taxes do.
Only we pay our fair share.
The Wind Farm just paid $3.2 million property tax to the state and based on that --- our beloved county would be getting considerably more than that. From my 2015 Elk County Real Estate Tax Statement the State charges 1.5 mil and Elk County charges 103.491 mil and the West Elk USD-282 charges 36.26 mil and 20.00 mil for a total if 58.26 mil. For those that don't know 1 mil is 1/10 of a penny. In other words a piece of property worth $100,000 X 1.5 mil equals 150,000 or $150,00. I give you the numbers so you can do the math and prove to yourself.
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Sharri Kaminska apparently reads this thread! Because I mentioned here that they could return the taxpayers money's by lowering County Property taxes and that would allow the cities to raise property taxes on their citizens to take care of their own infrastructures. Don't you think this would be fair to everyone?
ARE ANY CITY OFFICIALS ADMITTING THEY DON'T HAVE THE EDUCATION OR ABILITY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR CITIES BUSINESS?
Well good ole
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Sharri Kaminska said most of the money for lowering property taxes would go to people that don't even live here. So as I see it, apparently fairness is not one of her qualities. The whole idea is her way and that's it. Or is it the
"Elk Kon nected" or "
The Old Guards" way?
IF IT IS EITHER ONE OF THEM YOU KNOW IT IS NOT ETHICAL.
I'm only trying to find some resemblance of s
cruples from two
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Sharri Kaminska & K.R. "Kenny" Liebau concerning their plan to turn Elk County Government into
Elk County Welfare and
Elk County the Socialist County.If they have any
scruples the County Commissioners will stay out of the City's Governments business and let the elected officials run their business as business men and women and budget for their needs. The City of Howard could have budgeted for the swimming pool a small amount every year for the last three decades and then today they would not have to be begging for money.
On closing, I'd just like to ask, if financial hard times hit you personally for a few years and you could not pay your property tax, do you believe the County Commissioners would give you a few thousand to pay of your property taxes? Doesn't the County owe you more that a ta,ta we will sell your property to collect the taxes. And you paid property taxes for four decades and that's all you get is a ta,ta ! And you should have minded your business better and budgeted for emergencies.
IT IS NOT A COUNTY COMMISSIONERS JOB TO RUN AROUND TO CITY OFFICIALS OFFERING FREE MONEY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN THE COUNTY HAS LARGE LOANS TO PAY OFF AND EXPENSIVE PROJECTS TO PAY FOR !
IS IT?
WHAT DO YOU THINK?
You're making good points.
Stay on 'em.
.
Those Elk Konnected dolt's just are not too bright IN MY OPINION..
I'm not attacking any one, just stating facts!
The documentation is the very first post in this thread, go there and read for yourself.
And please notice the suggestion to do away with city councils and have just
one Centralized Government!That is simply an attempt at Socialism for Elk County as a whole.
How can you trust anyone with such obvious attitude towards a republic. I sure don't.
And they continue trying to turn Elk County into a Socialist County.
For example Elk
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska is willing to give to give away Thousands if not Hundreds of Thousands of taxpayer
away.
Thus FREE MONEY like
Bernie Sanders, YES FREE MONEY ! Turning Elk County into Elk Konected Socialist Welfare County!
Would you vote for Bernie Sanders for President and all his FREE MONEY and Socialism?
Huh, would YOU?
No one city has sent a representative to beg for money from the County Commissioners,
NOT ONE !
At the end of the Open Forum,
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska
stated that they would not lower property taxes essentially returning money they don't need to the taxpayer, which would allow for the cities to raise their taxes to repain their own roads and infrastructure.
She basically explained the major reason for not doing Economic Development in Elk County and she I bet she did not even realize what she was saying! What do you think? She said,"Lowering property taxes, most of the money would go to people that don't live hers. This alone should explain why Economic Development will not work here. Not enough people living here that own land, now that hurts!
Why did i bring Economic Development into the forray?
I didn't, but
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska
did, when she was addressing the
FREE MONEY GIVEAWAY talking about the Ghost Town she lives near and how driving to Fredonia is a shorter drive and less gravel road to drive than to deive to Howard to shop.
She also suggested the little cities in Elk County might just become Ghost Towns as well.
project each year
FREE MONEY is not the answer!
Giving free money to repair roads and infrasture to cities that lack the ability to maintain a budget to accomplish a small annual is simply a waste of money. Which makes it a lack of Leadership ability to do your job properly.
Will
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska
continue to give away taxpayer dollars/money year after year after the three years she mentIoned at the County Commissioners meeting? Until the County runs out of money and they have to raise our property taxes to meet the county's financial needs due ti the waste of money? If not, who is gonna pick up the loss of funding
for Howard or whoever? Or for City Councils who have no idea how to budget for their own maintenance and upkeep.
Remember, Howard was trying to hold every citizen of Elk County responsible for their Swimming Pool Repair needs? NO, the pool belongs to the City --- if they can not afford to keep it up --- close it, We have plenty of swimming holes in Elk County!
I hope you notice a single person wants to discuss the truth!
WELCOME TO THE
ELK COUNTY WELFARE OFFICE
LOCATED AT THE
ELK COUNTY COURT HOUSE
IN THE
ELK COUNTY GOVERNMENT OFFICE
PLEASE HAVE SOME FREE TAXPAYER MONEY
Elk Konnected does not exist anymore. The suggestions from page 1 came from citizens from all over the county and were presented by Dana Mills.
Quote from: proelkco on February 17, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
Elk Konnected does not exist anymore.
Well Mr. Proelkco how can you possibly say
Elk Kon nected doesn't exist any longer"
I thought you said you were not a member of
Elk Kon nected ?If you are not a member how is it you know their business?
Are you just blowing smoke at us?
Can you prove what you say ?
Elk Kon nected is still listed on Public Square Communities web site as still being active.
Here have a look see for yourself ---- http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/elk-konnected/elk-about/
http://publicsquarecommunities.com/
And are not both companies owned by one of the Previous Elk County Commissioners Liz Hendricks.
Are you trying to tell us she is a failure at running these two NGO's?
Are you pointing out something fraudulent or what, I wish you would clarify, because, I just totally don't understand your post!
Elk Kon nected recently asked the Howard City Council to allow them to handle the begging for money to fix the city's swimming pool and to use the Elk County Community Foundation to funnel the money through so it would be tax deductible. Or was it some other foundation?
Quote from: proelkco on February 17, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
The suggestions from page 1 came from citizens from all over the county and were presented by Dana Mills.
It matters not who delivered the list of idiotic suggestions but the orchestration of how they
came about does !
Elk Kon nected claimed at their Community Conversation (which was anything but a conversation) that the Elk County Commissioners asked them to do the circus they performed. And guess which two of the County Commissioners openly admitted in a Commissioners Meeting that they were members of
Elk Konnected ?I'll give you a reminder and you can do if you so desireable check throughout this thread.
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner K.R 'Kenny' Liebau
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liz Hendricks.
And as far as the list goes it was commissioned by Elk Kon nected and fullfiled by Elk Kon nected and shuffled around to different Elk Kon nected Committies and no documentation anywhere as to who, what , where, when or how. So the only ones really responsible per any form of documentation is El Kon nected and
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner K.R 'Kenny' Liebau
AND
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liz Hendricks.
UNTIL PROVEN OTHER WISE VIA DOCUMENTATION !By the way proelkco are you in favor of the Elk County Government becoming Socialists giving away
money like a democrat, like Bernie Sanders?
Are you in favor of having Elk County Government becoming the
Elk Kon nected County Welfare Office ?Inquiring minds would like to know?
I hope you have a good evening, it certainly was a beautiful day today to be working fence like I did today.
Hope to read your response soon.
Good night !
Well Pro, there is a good example of how history can be changed a slippery word at a time.
The people who were at that first meeting know how the information was gathered, from the audience. Some ideas were not plausible of course, but it was an opportunity for the attendees to have their say.
Thanks for reminding the readers. Anyone who left the meeting before the ideas were collected and read, doesn't know the details. Sadly, it was an honorable effort that was assassinated.
Yes you are right Diane.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Well Pro, there is a good example of how history can be changed a slippery word at a time.
The people who were at that first meeting know how the information was gathered, from the audience. Some ideas were not plausible of course, but it was an opportunity for the attendees to have their say.
Thanks for reminding the readers. Anyone who left the meeting before the ideas were collected and read, doesn't know the details. Sadly, it was an honorable effort that was assassinated.
You weren't at the meeting. How do you know so much?
It's sad that in America some look to the socialists as doing an "honorable effort". You progressives are kinda like the Republicans who talk about how "conservative" they are.
And Democrats like too believe that too.
Quote from redcliffsw :
You weren't at the meeting. How do you know so much?
Careful Red. You are being led into a battle. A certain party tried to drag you into a fight two days ago on the William Mack Lee subject in the "Good Old Days" You didn't take the bait so now they are attacking from a different direction. Their self esteem must be a quart low but if you get down in the mud we can cry poor me, then someone will tell me I'm the best thing since sliced bread and we will be all better now. Same ol M.O. over and over .
Nope, no battle, just some corrections. I was able to read the minutes, (a copy of course) so I know what happened from that point of view, also comments to me from friends who were there, plus the endless, repetitive redo of the events by the author of the thread, who left early, and wasn't even there for some of the more substantive parts of the meeting. He was determined to have his own agenda, or so it seemed, and it wasn't accepted.
You forget, I may live here, but have family and friends out there and have for a very long time. I don't have to prove anything. No more on this subject. Hammer away as you wish. :P Stir that pot! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Diane, you're right, you don't have to prove anything. You can defend as many socialist organizations in America as you like.
Conservative Americans oppose the cause of socialism.
I read the postings of Ross and some go so far as to say that they won't. Ross ought to be commended for taking a stand against socialism there in Elk County just as many do in other counties in the States across America.
Jar, I think we are already in a battle. Stay right in there and stay on 'em.
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BACK THEN
SOCIETY DEMANDED
ETHICS AND MORALS
OF EVERYONE
EVEN !
COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
THAT WANT TO GIVE AWAY
MONEY THAT IS NOT THEIR'S
TO GIVE AWAY !
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Well Pro, there is a good example of how history can be changed a slippery word at a time.
You my dear have no knowledge of what you say!
You should apology to the readers for your lack of knowledge!
The slipperiness comes from you and Proelco!
You claim to have a college degree, well put it to work and discuss what you know,
Not what you don't know and do yourself a great big favor way up there in Delaware!
If you noticed proelkco said:
Quote from: proelkco on February 17, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
Elk Konnected does not exist anymore.
But he offers nothing substantial to back it up.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
The people who were at that first meeting know how the information was gathered, from the audience.
I too, know how the information was gathered and you do too! If you read the letter posted on page one of this thread.The stuff was juggled all around and there was no documentation, no records made of who handled the supposed notes. How about after the quickly and specially formed committee was through with them and they got trashed and
Elk Kon nected wrote up whatever they wanted?
Not possible?
Very Possible!
The minutes of the meeting did not include the letter it only had a statement about the letter. So that was a big lack of information.
Hey, wait a minute I thought you said you were not coming to this thread any more, yes you did!
I thought you said you were not going to read my posts any more?
I thought you had me on ignore?
Isn't your word good for anything?
It appears every time some one gets worried of this thread they call on you to post.
And as is most of the time the post are different from your normal way of posting, as if someone else is telling you what to post.
Oh well, so be it.
First off the event was not build as an
Elk Kon nected Meeting but as a Community Conversation.
And it was not a Community Conversation but a distorted
Kommunity Konversation meaning it failed as a Community Conversation.
First
Elk Kon nected was commissioned by two Konnected Kounty Kommissioners (meaning they proudly announced at a Commissioners meeting that they they were
Kon nected members) and therefore it would not be a County Commissioners Meeting even though they were present. Hence, no official records.
They made people sign in and later said that made you a member of
Elk Kon nected, that's what they told me on this thread. Only I did not sign in.
They gave people in groups all the same colored kindergarten star and a name tag. The star was for manipulation or musical chairs of sorts. If you are siting in a circle with someone that has the same colored star get up and find a circle with out your color in it.
There was an abundance of circles of chairs for manipulation of people, hence I called it a circus.
I stepped forward to speak to the outsider from Leoti, Kansas who apparently did not want a public conversation. He said we could talk outside. I simply said, I wanted to have a public conversation ! He picked his microphone and asked where is the Sheriff!
[quote author=Diane Amberg link=topic=11780.msg228556#msg228556 date=1455809376
Some ideas were not plausible of course, but it was an opportunity for the attendees to have their say.
Thanks for reminding the readers. [/quote]
If you read the list with some comprehension most of the ideas are not plausible. Some were down ridiculous.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Anyone who left the meeting before the ideas were collected and read, doesn't know the details.
Once again, Diane it was a multiple ring circus, no one was aloud to stand and voice an idea publicly, no one was aloud to stand and have an open verbal conversation. As I said the outsider from Leoti, Kansas showed no intent of an open public conversation. He refused to talk with me and said we could go outside to talk and when I said, I wanted a public community conversation he lifted his microphone to his mouth and said, "Where is the Sheriff." That is when I told the audience I was sorry but I thought it was a Community Conversation and I left. When I walked out the door there stood two deputies, they did not know they were called for. I stopped and visited with the deputies for a while. And people slowly started leaving the building and some where pretty upset. You were not there to observe any part of anything.
I'm considered an outsider and I have owned and lived on my little farm for ten years, so really what is the guy from Leoti, Kansas?
They were told to sit in a circle of chairs and not to sit with a friend or a spouse or leave. That was only a part of the control of the people.
They they were told they had to leave.
The people that were leaving were pretty upset.
You were not there Diane to observe what was going on, you have never attended one of
Elk Kon nected's meetings.
I have!
They you have a conversation of sorts with the people in your circle of chairs for a few minutes and then they have musicale chairs as I call it. You get up and move to a different circle of chairs and make sure there are no two kindergarten stars of the same color in the circle and you keep moving if there are two of the same colored stars in the circle.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2016, 09:29:36 AM
Sadly, it was an honorable effort that was assassinated.
What was honorable about the effort ? Advertise it as a Community Conversation and then not have one. What is Honorable about that?
That is why I have always referred to it as a
Kon nected Kommunity Konversation !What was assassinated? By whom?
Diane I hope you can comprehend
IF something is contrived out of deception and manipulation of the people, that it is destined to fail.
So, Diane do you agree with Proelkco's statement that
Elk Kon nected is no longer exists?
I personally don't agree with that because two of the
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners are attempting to turn Elk County into a Socialist County. They are behaving in my opinion as previous
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners by attempting to give away mpney from the taxpayers Coffers. Thus turning the Elk County Court House into the Elk County
Welfare office.
Personally, I feel if they don't want the tax money return it to the taxpayers.
This would be a big help to the elderly and the retired in Elk County.
Returning the tax dollars would have helped an 85 year old couple I know.
Last year they had to suffer the flu for three weeks because they could not afford the cost of tamiflu.
As you should know as an EMS person the flu can be deadly for the elderly.
But no,
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners want to give the money to other government entities that can not budget and tend to their business as educated business men.
Provide us with something real if you can, Diane.
She was seen going to a Howard City Council meeting and heard offering them free money, but she denied it at the Commissioners meeting!
So anyway, we have
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Shari Kaminska running around out there offering to give Welfare to various City Officials. She admitted it on closing the open forum of the County commissioners meeting. All those remarks were suppose to be on the record. It will be interesting to read the minutes when they come out.
I wonder is she trying to buy favors or what?
Not one single City official has appeared before the County Commissioners beging for Welfare.
NOT ONE !
She was seen going to a Howard City Council meeting and heard offering them free money, but she denied it at the Commissioners meeting.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on February 19, 2016, 09:29:00 AM
Nope, no battle, just some corrections. I was able to read the minutes, (a copy of course) so I know what happened from that point of view, also comments to me from friends who were there, plus the endless, repetitive redo of the events by the author of the thread, who left early, and wasn't even there for some of the more substantive parts of the meeting. He was determined to have his own agenda, or so it seemed, and it wasn't accepted.
You forget, I may live here, but have family and friends out there and have for a very long time. I don't have to prove anything. No more on this subject. Hammer away as you wish. :P Stir that pot! ;D ;D ;D ;D
No Diane, you have provided no corrections just incorrect second hand information from your
Elk Kon nected relatives. Hearsay from Delaware and misrepresented is worthless.
You had no idea, how the supposed suggestions were handled, even though it was written out
by
Elk Kon nected in their letter to the Elk County Commissioners!
So how reliable can any information you try to communicate can be considered reliable.
And you have said many times you woulld stay away from this thread and that you would not read my posts and that you had placed me on ignore. Based on that alone how can your words be trusted?
But that's okay, keep trying, perhaps one day you may tell the
truth !
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It's good that there are people in the local area like Elk County who alert folks about these "community-minded" organizations/community organizers like Elk Konnected and Obama who reject the foundations of America. They are all about Republicans and modern Democrats working together to steal more individual liberty by and thru government at all levels.
Quote from: redcliffsw on February 24, 2016, 06:42:41 AM
Tom Deweese stays ahead of the NGO's.
It's good that there are people in the local area like Elk County who alert folks about these "community-minded" organizations/community organizers like Elk Konnected and Obama who reject the foundations of America. They are all about Republicans and modern Democrats working together to steal more individual liberty by and thru government at all levels.
The thing is they have people get elected and take seats of authority on governing boards!
And then they work for the organization. Much like Congressmen who represent Corporate America, you know BIG MONEY instead of for the people.
What we need are a few good old rednecks that have worked hard for their money and not have it given to them. Real men that understand budgeting, like budgeting for their retirement or for budget home expenses because they are retired. Some sensibility is what is needed.
Not people that believe they have a position that requires taxing more and more.
Not people that think taxpayers money is theirs to give away.
Not people that think they need to subsidize other groups like the Federal Government.
We don't need people that think, they need to build something new, so they can get their name on a plaque.
We need people governing who are their own person and not easily manipulated or influenced.
We need people who have common sense.
It does not take a college education to run for office in Elk County.
Just ask yourself, how does a college education as veterinarian or a teacher of third graders qualify for an elected political position than you do?
They are not educated in every facet of life and may not be able to gain enough life experience to handle the job properly.
I believe we are seeing exactly that right now along with the manipulation of circumstances to give money away and also to raise taxes even higher.
Subsidizing city governments is simply bailing them out because their elected officials have been unable to perform their elected positions properly to benefit their communities. Subsidizing these people will just lead to more and more subsidizing. Which means more and more free money untilthere is no more money.
The
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner, the Commissioner Chairman said for the
next two or three years of giving money away. She alluded the giveaway to Economic Development!
Giving money is not Economic Development. No, it is not Economic Development, don't let her pull a Hillary on you with that lie.
The U.S. Government gave a total of $209,432,920 to Mexico in 2012. "WELFARE" to a foreign country !
"fREE TAXPAYER DOLLARS !
Why shouldn't our Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners follow suit
with "fREE TAXPAYER DOLLARS !
In the hundreds of thousands of Dollars as "WELFARE" ? WELCOME TO THE ELK COUNTY SOCIALIST WELFARE OFFICE
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SHAMELESSLY GIVEN AWAY
The Republicans dominate the County Commission - right?
Most Republicans are not conservative even if they claim to be.
Okay, I attended the Elk County Commissioners Meeting Today
Commissioner Hebb had to leave early for jury duty.
During open forum it was mentioned that the man in charge of the Longton Fire Dept.is incapable of doing his job. And also stated a younger man was doing the job for him the last couple of months. And theman in charge is still being paid for doing the job. The board said this is an issue for executive session. End of that subject during open forum.
Several people from south of Longton showed up to discuss the road conditions. This was not the first complaint about those roads. This time they were pretty well prepared. They brought pictures and road samples.
A man stood up there and told them this is the stuff you are putting on our road; it was a bucket of rocks and powder in my estimation it was about 50/50 maybe even a little bit more of rock powder. The gentleman pulled a simple pair of pliars from his pocket and easily broke one of the rocks. Another pail had just rocks in it and he picked up one rock and had to bare down with everything he had to break the rock.
The powered stuff they said simply, makes a mess of the road in just 1/4' of rain and it easily washes away. Whereas the rock from another road has stayed in place for 3 years.
Did the two
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Doesn't this possibly make you think the two
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners should pay more attention to County business and no time thinking about making friends by opening a Welfare Office in the Elk Count Court House?
Don't you think they should quit calling on city mayors and city councilmen to give them hundereds of thousands of dollars for the city's infrastucture and pay attention to the County's infrastructure and saving some of those hundreds of thousands of dollars for emergecies?
OR BETTER YET how about saving the money and invest it wisely and eventually have enough money from interest to run the county and not have to have a property tax. They could do something responsible and wise for the taxpayers if they just gave it some thought.
But why do anything responsible and wise for the taxpayers when you can be a socialist and give money away. This way you make some extra friends just like they do in Washington, D.C.If the cities want to improve their infrastructure that is their elected officials job to do. They can acquire grants just like the County wanted to do, but some how screwed it up.
If the cities actually want to fix themselves up, they could have started years ago and did a little at a time. But no, apparently not interested. If they wanted to do so now, they could instigate a bond issue for the voters to vote on and couple that with funds from a community grant that they would have to be smart enough to apply for.
No , in my opinion they do not need welfare, they need an education in doing city business.
Longton sure looks like it is doing a good job and Moline has made a few improvements and all without welfare from Elk County Government.All this socialism proposed by
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kominska appears to be work in behalf of
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will ethics and morals kick in? That is the question!
Good night Folks until next time be safe!
So those of us that own property in a town who also pay county taxes are not supposed to expect help with our roads (and other infrastructure) like everyone else who lives out of town expects? The cities don't collect city taxes so where is the money supposed to come from for the millions of dollars needed to upkeep the basics of civilized living? Why can't the wind farm money benefit everyone, not just the ones who live out of town.
Government was not established to grant benefits as some like to think and prefer.
Nowadays it's a constant call and demand for government to do something for another party.
With Republican County Commisioners, they can give money away as easily or moreso just as Obama and the Democrats do. This goes all the way back to their victory over America in 1865 just as the Bolshevik's victory in Russia in 1918.
From all I've read on this issue, Ross is right. Can anybody get ahold of what Ross is saying or is this country too far gone?
Quote from: jprxmkt on February 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
So those of us that own property in a town who also pay county taxes are not supposed to expect help with our roads (and other infrastructure) like everyone else who lives out of town expects? The cities don't collect city taxes so where is the money supposed to come from for the millions of dollars needed to upkeep the basics of civilized living? Why can't the wind farm money benefit everyone, not just the ones who live out of town.
Thanks ever so much for asking.
I know you believe in honesty, morals, principles, responsibilities and ethics.
The County Government already subsidizes the small towns considerably in various ways. This was pointed out at at an Elk County Commissioners meeting!
The County has a separate government from the small towns and the folks in the towns prefer to govern themselves and therefore responsible for their own infrastructure. Where is that responsibility showing through in asking for a hand out and Welfare.
The money from the Wind Farm is in lieu of regular property tax (if it the Wind Farm was fully taxed at commercial rates, it would probably be ppaying the County nore like $3 Million). But what money they pay is still a tax and is in the County Coffers and is not free money. If the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners don't need the money their responsibility is to return the money to the tax payers. They have on right or responsibility to create a Welfare or Socialist Community with in Elk County. There is nothing ethical or moral about such attempts.
If they return tas money to the tax payers the communities could raise their property taxes to carry out their responsibility to provide for infrastructure repairs and maintenance. That is the only proper, ethical and morally right way for the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners to handle taxpayer money.
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Moral Hazard in Flint, MichiganWhat the Democrats are proposing is terrible policy for a number of reasons.
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It is not being un-compassionate to require the towns officials to assume responsibility for their actions or in-actions towards failure !
If the
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners continue down the path of socialism and welfare for the cities the asking for money will never cease and responsibility will continue to fade away. And in my opinion
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks'S remarks concerning it being an economic factor is pur bunk! Plain and simple !
Why" Because Elk County had a professionally educated Economic Development Employee who was not successful in growing Elk County, no I am not talking about Jennifer as the part time employee who was working for two
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioners ? ? That is why!
Oh durn! I just had the rural water department drive up looking for a water leak. They found one, I absent mindedly left an outdoor spigot turned on all night.
Ouch, there goes my water bill. Since
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks is wanting to give taxpayer money the socialst way, how about bailing out my water bill? Some Welfare please?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks where is your compassion for people in need for people that goof?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks where is your compassion for people in need for people that need life saving medications they can not afford?
Isn't that Wind Farm
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks money for everyone?
How about the person that cant pay their property tax?
Elk Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminsaks is wanting to give taxpayer money the socialst way, use the Wind Farm money to pay for life saving prescriptions as a bail out? Will she provide Welfare for life saving reasons?
How about the Elderly couple that can not afford to pay for their medical prescriptions?
I have to get outside and enjoy the weather and get some work done.
It seems that many do not understand where the various taxing entities get their money and for what purposes that money is supposed to go for. PILOT means Payment In Lieu Of Taxes. If the wind farm was taxed on its assessed value, the money would go to the county because the wind farm is in the county. I feel the same as Ross on this issue. The money is county money and should stay with the county.
Maybe some of this money should go for a building to house the county ambulances at the now closed Howard nursing home. It looks like this facility would also have plenty of room for the Elk County Health Dept as well.
Why is the county in the ambulance business or any business?
Looks like the government ought to be the government instead of getting involved in enterprises.
Elk County Government Taxing Property Owners
To Run Elk County Governments Business
And
Giving Those Tax Dollars Away
As If It Is FREE Money
IS
Is Extremely ANTITHETICLE !
It would simply show an Elk County Government Out Of Control !
Robbing Tax Payers to provide for someone else.
It would be
Kon nected Kounty KommissionersBehaving like
Socialists to serve their own interests.
Lets wait and see if the (socialist behaving)
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners strive to prove their socialist attitude with taxpayer dollars !
Oh and it has absolutely nothing to do with Economic Development,
that is just false justification!
Perhaps the Ambulance station could be built right into the old Twilght Manor. It wouldn't be much of a deal to tear down a wall or two and create a couple of bays and living areas etc. That would have to be cheaper than starting fresh on new land.
Well So Much For
Truthfulness in
Elk County Government
At the opening of the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners meeting
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska stated that remarks
during the open forum discussing the wind farm money would be part of the record!
So why or what excuse will they come up with for altering what is printed in the news paper?
They printed that I asked, "L. W. Ross asked which city council members have asked the county for
money. The commission stated that no City Council members have asked."
In actuality, what I asked is which City Mayor or City Council member has appeared in front of the County Commissioners meeting asking for money.
I then informed
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska that I was told that she went to a Howard City Council meeting saying the county had a lot of money if they needed any. And I asked if that was true. She immediately said no. More on this in a minute.
I then stated since my property taxes were involved in this, I want to know why do you want to turn the Elk County Court House into the Elk County Welfare Office. No response was forthcoming.
I guess as, I turned to sit back down she got awful mad and was about to go off on me. Anyway that is what two people in the audience told me, because I did not see it.
They also failed to mention
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska remarks on closing the open forum session where
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska said she had been going around the communities offering financial help.
As I said: Well So Much For
Truthfulness in
Elk County Government
In the words of a true Socialist:Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money, Free Money,
You're too nice by calling your County Commissioners socialists.
A Polish friend left Poland before the fall of communist rule there. He was raised and lived under communism and recognizes it quite easily. He's a very conservative American, like a Jeffersonian Democrat, and he describes the local County Commission in his area as communist.
So again, it looks like you're being too nice by only calling them socialists.
Stay right in there and stay on 'em.
I want to try to clear something up about the County Government wanting to be Socialist or a Welfare Agency or a LiberalCounty or an Enabler of Bad Business Practices !
I was accused by an
Elk Kon nected member that I never volunteer! He was dead wrong speaking of what he does not know. He did not say I had to volunteer for
Elk Kon nected's work but that was exactly he was doing. I believe he was trying to shame out of his own ignorance and because he felt it was his duty for
Elk Kon nected to take such action. What I do voluntarily and personally is none of his business.
Like many of you out there that voluntarily help out your neighbor or other people and do it without pay and being a braggart you can understand I volunteer in the same manner.
I have shared my experience with some of my nieces and nephews over face book that live from Alaska to Hawaii to Florida and every where in between. And they too have started helping others by personally volunteering and I am real proud of them.
Helping has many intangible rewards and if it cost me a few dollars it's no big deal.
However, it is not the job of Elk County Government to do volunteer work with taxpayer dollars for cities that are possibly incapable of taking care of their own business. It is not a function of Elk County government to voluntarily give taxpayer dollars away for any reason. It is not the job of an elected official to go around to these communities volunteering Elk County Coffers (taxpayer's money) for free. It is not the elected officials money to do with as they want, but to use for the County business only.
If the
Elk Konnected Kommissioner Kaminska or Liebau want to donate their own money from their private funds and not everyone else's money, to put a feather in their hat, I'm all for that. But I would not expect them to do that!
If the County really wants to be
FAIR to all the taxpayers, because they don't need or want the money, return the money to all the taxpayers by lowering their property taxes!
Then if the cities want more money to do their business, they can individually decide if and what projects they want to do. Then they can raise their own property taxes according to their own wants and need.
Leaders and business people should be able to understand their position as politicians and be able to plan and budget for their own needs. Apparently they have failed to do so! And giving them
welfare will only
enable the continuation of the poor planning and budgeting and everything will simply fall apart again.
Don't make Elk County a Welfare Office and an Enabler of Bad Practices.If the Cities really want supposedly wind farm money they should talk with the wind farm owners or the talk with the people that are being paid very handsomely. Try that. ask the land owners for a few hundred thousand dollars and see how far you get.
As far as the Howard city swimming pool, try asking the local businesses for each of them to pay an equal share of the cost of repair of the pool and see what they say! Or pro-rate the amount based on how much money each business takes in, and see what they say. Make it
voluntary, but let them know, if they don't volunteer that they should be ashamed of themselves. The same attitude that was attempted with me by an
Elk Kon nected member at an Elk County Commissioners meeting.
For all you folks that voluntarily help a neighbor or a stranger, keep up the good work and pat yourself on the back.
STOP SOCIALISM TODAY!
STOP
CORPORATE SOCIALISM & WELFARE
IN
ELK COUNTY !
Since they claim that you don't do enough "volunteering", does that give them a right to make your decisions to volunteer your money?
Could it be that you're not smart or kind enough to be volunteering so they'll have to do it for you - by force, by and thru government.
Maybe you don't have to do good deeds, they'll do it for you with your money.
When Castro took over Cuba, he took everything but the chickens.
Our founders gave us a Republic and the Constitution.
Stay with the founders. Stay on 'em.
This is getting to be an exciting voting year for our Country,
our State
and our Elk County Rural Governments.
The Presidential nominee may end up being a surprise and the outcome for President may become a shocker, depending on how far the RNC (RINO) Establishment is willing to go to control what the voters are permitted to have to vote on.
Kansas State Government may place on the ballot an option to limit School Boards and Administration from automatically raising property taxes 4 mill each and every year. They may limit the Establishment to raising property taxes to no more than the cost of inflation. This is one I hope every property owner votes for. If the school board requires more money they will have to come to the voters with a request on the ballot.
And we will be asked to vote for a County Commissioner!
We will be asked to vote for the continuation of a
Liberal behaving Konnected Kounty Kommissioner or hopefully a real republican and a man that is also a real conservative.
We could end up with a real man of the people, for the people and by the people !
A real man that understands his obligations to Elk County Government.
A real man that knows and understands his limitations as a County Commissioner.
We would be fortunate to receive the kind of change every Elk County Voter, Taxpayer and Citizen deserve !
A man that does not answer to any:
"Non-Governmental Organization"
OR
"Good Old Boys Club"
OR
"Old Guard".
We have a man like that on the County Commissioners Board now, but it is futile when he is the only conservative, so perhaps we can get him some help.
I hope to tell you, who the person I am speaking of in the near future..
We may also have a new person running for Sheriff.
Yep, it is an exciting voting year this year.
LIBERALISM
I wonder if you are even just a little bit like me?
Are you tired of all the
liberalism in Elk County?
Are you tired of all the high property taxes?
Remember, Mr. Moore trying to convince you that the school wasn't getting enough money from the state to run the school properly?
He failed terribly in his attempt!
And I'm sure he was upset when the petition to stop a back door 8 mill was completed.
Last year two kindergarten teachers requested taxpayer dollars to pay for transportation and hotel rooms and meals to attend a convention put on by
Common Core and received the funding while joking about going out
gambling. I don't believe the school board even read the flyer to know it was
Common Core. There was a very
liberal decision to pay their way --- but it is only taxpayer dollars --- so what --- they can raise taxes even more.
I can not see why a trip to Reno or Las Vegas to have a good time should come out of the taxpayers pocket. Especially, since they are suppose to be educated Kindergarten Teachers. And as such should be able to further their education out of their own pocket and I bet it would not be on a trip to and from Reno or Las Vegas for a
Common Core Convention. If the need for real education
if warranted and coming out of their bank account, they would most likely choose a university with college credits, to add to their resume'. That is if they are really educated.
Well, guess what!
They are back again this year!
Asking the
Liberal School Board to pay for another out of the state Activity!
They don't say in the agenda what the Activity is , so I will be attending tonight's meeting to find out and report to you later!
You surely understand with all Mr. Moore's crying that the school has not received enough State money to operate, I would think he would advise the School Board not to approve the request. But, I doubt that will happen due to the excessive flow of
taxpayers dollars and liberalism.Now here is something good for the kids at Elk Valley USD-283 that will be discussed by Linda Adams of Elk Valley. A 21st Century Grant for USD-283. This educational grant has been used by Elk Valley for summer school for a couple of years now. It may be very interesting to hear what she has to say. This is not supported by another local liberal property tax hike.
If you wish to be a l
liberal out of my bank account,
I strenuously object ! If you wish to be
liberal out of your own bank account, I do not object, I don't have anything to say about that, be as
liberal as you want! and the same goes for me.
I don't know for sure, if I will respond tonight, I have to wait and see what time permits.
Well it was a typical 20th Century School Board meeting.
Poorly done as usual.
More like a private meeting than a public meeting!
sitting there facing each other and munching on goodies in front of everyone.
Looked like a large tray of very fattening cinnamon rolls!
Do those over weight people really need fattening food to devour in front of other people?
Do high school kids that are required to attend these meetings from time to time for class room credit
really need to learn how not to run a public business meeting. Where is the professionalism in this group of people?
Oh well ! What a way to be a Professional School Superintendent !
They discussed fertilizer for the Professional Football field they paid through the nose to build. And to maintain that Professional Football Field will cost the taxpayers $2,000.00 a year just for fertilizer and weed killer not counting yearly increases in the cost of the fertilizer and weed killer.
I wonder how many thousands it will cost taxpayers for watering and any other expenses.
The two Kindergarten Teachers requested to attend an out of state activity.
It is called an "I Teach K Convention" and it is being held in Los Vegas and they recieved consent.
It happens in July 18-22.
They stated they wanted to meet other people and wanted to see what other states do. They also stated it also includes first and second grade.
What difference does it make what other states do? Are they fully educated Kindergarten School Teachers? The conference is going to include things like writing lesson plans and I wonder is that taught to wanna be teachers in college? One of them stated something about teaching sight words, how difficult can that be for an educated Kindergarten teacher?
The web site that the school board did not look at says, "Discover the content, strategies, inspiration, networking, and excitement you are looking for to help improve your impact in the classroom!"
Which begs me to ask why you want to network so far away from home?
How about trying a little closer to home and drive a school vehicle and save tons of money for the same event? I'll get there in just a minute!
Another of their web pages says, "Join us for five fun-filled days!"
But why Los Vegas which is 20 hours by highway or a round trip airline ticket for two at approximately $600 to $1000 for two.
Verses a three hour drive to Blue Springs, Mo for the 2016 SDE Conference for Kindergarten Teachers during the period of Jul 14-15 for an estimated cost of $120.00 for gasoline. This provides a savings of $480.00 to $880.00 depending on the airline ticket cost. And another big plus would be networking with other teachers here in our area. And most likely less expensive hotel/motel accomodations. http://www.sde.com/PD-Events/Conferences/1533
The out of state event right next door in Missouri is for two days see at http://www.sde.com/brochures/B34616/B34616bro.pdf
Does the school board even care what it costs? In Los Vegas?
Here is the price list for the event from http://www.sde.com/ITeachK/Tuition
Conference Tuition Any 1 Day Any 2 Days Any 3 Days Any 4 Days Encore*
Per Person $305 $465 $579 $599 $99
Note: All prices are per person; registrations cannot be shared.
*Free Principal offer does not apply to DI or Math Encore post-conference events.
If this is really worth while send the principal you get three educated for the price of two !
Or tell me he does not need this extra education?
And if the Principal doesn't need this extra education please explain why his teachers need an all expense paid vacation in Los Vegas? Or in Blue Springs, Mo ?
The event in Blue Springs, Mo cost
—ONE DAY— —TWO DAYS—
One Person One Person
$242 $388
Principals Attend Free! see page two of pdf at http://www.sde.com/brochures/B34616/B34616bro.pdf
Enjoy state-of-the-art facilities, unmatched service, and amenities, all on the heart of the Las Vegas strip. http://www.sde.com/ITeachK/Location `
Special Overnight Rate*
$153 ROH Suite** single/double, $188 triple, $223 quad
$168 guaranteed two-bed Bella suite single/double, $203 triple, $238 quad
(*plus tax and a mandatory $20 per night resort fee; rates based on availability. Through June 15, 2016)
**ROH—Suite with one or two beds based on availability at check-in. Requests accepted but not guaranteed.
A considerable savings over Los Vegas without asking for a discount.
In Blue Springs, Missouri:
Hampton Inn Kansas City/Blue Springs
rated 4.3 on google. 3-star hotel
$119 per night for two adults
Address: 900 NW S Outer Rd, Blue Springs, MO 64015
Phone:(816) 220-3844
Is it about education or an all expense paid vacation for, two supposedly already educated Kindergarten Teachers.
The company involved in this special training also does the same thing for other grades. Which begs me to ask why no other grade teachers show an interest in this type of education?
Is it just frivolous spending by a liberal School Board that just plain doesn't care to know what they are being sold?
Food for thought!
Well I am tired so I wish you all a Good Night.
Well, Well, Well
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska
is still Hell Bent on
Liberal Socialism
and
giving taxpayer money away.
It is listed as a subject for action I guess!
It is not listed for Open Forum like the last meeting.
So I have to assume
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska doesn't want to hear any more dissent from the taxpayers. But that is exactly why there is an "Open Forum". At "Open Forum" you are permitted to have your say on any subject !
Folks it's your
property tax dollars she wants to give away.
She can call it the Wind Farm P.I.L.O.T. money or any thing she wants, she can even call it her money
BUTit is still taxpayer money, because it is in the County Taxpayers Coffers.
It is still taxpayer dollars that are to be used for county business only.
Will you folks that voted for her, be voting foe Bernie Sanders?
Are you folks that voted for her Liberals?
Are you folks that voted for her Democrats?
Will you folks that voted for her be voting for Hillary?
Do you folks that voted for her believe in free money for everyone except the taxpayers?
If you could answer no to any of the above questions, I encourage you to show up at the County the County Government does not need money Commissioners meeting and tell her NO during the Open Forum.
We have a local Government that is out of control just like the Government in Washington.
Elk County Government wants to give money, I suggest they return money to
all the taxpayers not just a select few taxpayers. That is exactly what Kaminska is doing. Returning taxpayer dollars to a select few taxpayers.
In other words Kaminska is
STEALING from some County Taxpayers and giving it to select other taxpayers!
She stated during a recent County Commissioners Meeting that she made the rounds of the cities asking the cities what they wanted. Even though not a one of the City Mayors or City Councilman Have appeared before and in front of the County Commissioners Meeting and asked for a single dime. Not one person.
This is called back door politics and is neither fit or proper and lacks ethics and honesty. Is this what Elk County really is.
If not show up Monday at the County Commissioners meeting for open forum!
Do we continue down the path of taking from one mans pocket and putting it in another mans pocket?
Do we continue down the path of Federal Government of sneaky and corrupt politics for personal gain?
Yes, Personal Gain of Self Importance ! I have seen it many times in my life time. I personally experienced it, but got it corrected in very short order, and realized, I was part of a team and hired to have certain ethics and decency and not self-importance. Self Importance has no place in Government because in my opinion it leads to corruption.
Below is a copy of the County Commissioners Agend for this coming Monday at 1:00 pm.I sure hope to see Concerned Property Tax Payers show up and let the Commissioners know where you stand on this Liberal Action
by
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska !Please encourage you friends and relatives and neighbors to come to the meeting.
ELK COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA
March 14, 2016
Public Hearing
1:00 p.m. – 5-Year Solid Waste Plan
Regularly Scheduled Meeting
1:1 0p.m. - Call to Order
Minutes Approval – Februray 29th Regular Meeting
1:10 p.m. Public Forum
1:20 p.m. – Department Reports
(Department Head meetings: 8 AM; Thursday before each Commissioner Meeting)
Old Business:
Wage Scale
Handbook Changes
New Business
1:45 p.m. –
2:00 p.m. – Road Dept. Update
2:15 p.m. – Wind farm PILOT money allocation to cities
2:30 p.m. – Fair Housing Proclamation
2:45 p.m. –
3:00 p.m. –
Abatements: State Assessed Utilities
Caney Valley Electric Coop - Abatements 2016-18 thru2016-42
Kansas Electric Power Coop – Abatements 2016-43 thru 2016-45
Radiant electric Coop – Abatements 2016-46 thru 2016-49 and
2016-51 thru 2016-56
Presentation of Claims
Other
Adjournment
Future Events: April 14: SEK District Meeting at Franklin Co Courthouse, Ottawa, KS
What has happened to Kansas Conservatism?
Dog Gone It!
I don't know if i will be able to make it to tomorrows County Commissioner Meeting tomorrow,
I have personal urgent business to attend to and I may have to miss the meeting.
I wanted to ask
Kon nected Kounty Komissioner Kaminska
during the Open Forum where the idea came from that the County can give away taxpayers money.
I also wanted to ask where she acquired consent or authority to go visitin the cities and ask how much free money they wanted.
I also wanted to ask that they put the idea to the voters on the November Ballot because it should be a decision of the people to give their tax dollars away.
Of course if they realize that playing a Bernie Sanders is wrong and that the voters will tell them no they won't want to take it to the voters.
I hope someone else that might make it to the meeting, might ask a few questions of her, because it appears to be her idea and her idea only. Sure Liebau goes along.
Of course if
Elk Kon nected
is involved the chances of a vote of stopping Socialism and Corporate Welfare in Elk County are slim.
If anyone can record the part of the meeting pertaining to " Wind farm PILOT money allocation to cities" I would appreciate it.
There is really no equitable way to allocate a fair and equal distribution of funds for infrastructure in the various cities.
I can assure you that Howard will get the largest amount of money any direction you look. As usual an unfair advantage. This is yet another reason County Government should stick to their own business and let the cities stick to their own business.
The infrastructure of the cities are the responsibilities of their elected officials of the cities and they should have a business plan and a budget to take care of those responsibilities. Is it that they lack the business knowledge and leadership abilities to do their job. And is it the job of county government to give tax payer money to cities that lack the knowledge, leadership and ability to plan and budget for their own needs? Will the money be wasted by people that appear to lack knowledge, leadership and ability to plan and budget for their own needs?
Is this fair treatment of all property owners that pay taxes?
Just give it some thought please.
I have to ask!
How much money are
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau and Kaminski willing to provide out of their own wallets or savings account for the infrastructures of the Cities?
I don't think is it necessary to wait for an answer, do you?
Of course like good little
liberal socialists they only use other peoples money, right?
Why should Elk County permit these people to destroy County savings --- money?
Lots of Money ! Taxpayer money!
Instead of giving money away how about returning the money, the County has no use for, to the property owner taxpayer?
Because,
Liberal Socialist Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminiska said most of the money would leave the county. That absolutely has nothing to do with being fair to the property owner taxpayers. Nothing at all to do with the county not needing the money and giving it away. It is the taxpayers money and the only fair and decent way to deal with the money is to return it to the people that pay it in.
Then the cities educate, elected officials could raise the individual cities property taxes, IF their respective citizens chose to let them and build their own business plans to take care of their individual cities infrastructure.
This is the only fair and equitable way of distribution of property owners tax dollars. A non-socialist. non-liberal way.
When you are willing to give other peoples money away, you are saying you don't need it.
The County could be saving the money and make intellegent investments and draw interest on it and possiblu eventually be able to operate the county on the interest income or at least lower county property taxes considerably.
I read of a city that came into a wind fall similar to pur wind farm windfall and did just that. They invested the money and now have no property tax and operate on the Wind Fall interest income.
Doesn't that make more sense than giving money away like a liberal socialist?
Elk County Citizens whether they be property owners or renters need to speak up and have their voices heard
before
it is too late.
Would the gentleman that sat beside me at today's county commissioners meeting please send me a
private message, so I can send you my phone number. I'd like your consent before I do something.
Thank You,
Ross
This is not word for word perfect but close.
Sorry, I am not a secretary.
Elk County Commissioners Meeting
03/14/2016
After a short hearing about recyclable waste and approval of the last meetings minutes. the Commissioners went to Open Forum.
The first man to speak was there to address the road gravel. Elk County citizens have been working very hard to get the Commissioners attention.
Now mind you, what I am posting is not word for word.The gentleman was very polite and direct with his message aboout the conditions of the roads.
THIS MAY NOT BE EXACTLY WORD FOR WORD BUT REAL CLOSE. I am no secretary, sorry about that.
He said they put gravel at each end of a road and patches of rock in the middle of a road.
He said the county came out and put gravel it was the big rock, it tears the tires up. He said it would be fine for a base if they put smaller gravel on top. He had been before the commission several times asking for a safe road he could drive.
He was driving to Independence he said his tires felt like they were out of balance and anybody that drives dirt roads a lot know that dust collects in side the rims and you have to take them off once in a while and clean them. He thought that it was perhaps a chumck of mud that fell off and threw his wheel out of balance so he went on ahead and went to Independence. He came back and the next day took his tires off to clean them and what he found was that a rock had penetrated his tire, but not enough to flatten his tire, but it ruined the integrity of the belts and it had a big ole bubble on it JUST WAITING TO BLOW OUT.
He said that hit a sore spot with him because we had some fatalities last year from an unexplained blow out. He said he doesn't want his family or anyone else's family to have to go through that again. And I know for a fact it was the big gravel on the road, I know when it happened on my car.
He said, my mail carrier has recieved two flats since the gravel went down. My dad has recieved a flat since the gravel went down.
Kaminska say she talked to a bus driver, that said it is tearing up the bus tires and the man says it is, it is. That is a sad point to be hauling a
bus load of kids with faulty tires, because of the big gravel that got put down.
Kanminska brought in a sample. And the gentleman said he had brought samples in and Kaminska interrupted him saying I know, I know. Kaminska pulled out a very big rock and said she had actually picked up a smaller one but brought this one in.
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Rock in Red Rectangle
Kaminska's question is, is this what we are really ordering? Do we really want a truck load of this dumped out on the road? Or is there something wrong with the screening process at the quarry?
Kominska asks the gentleman, is there anything else?
I am going to stop right there until I get consent to go further. My personal remarks from this point on.
No solution was provided.
I may be back tomorrow with information about the Taxpayer giveaway of money.
You know the socialist attitude of some people in this county.
Good night folks. It has been a very long day for me, but a beautiful day weather wise.
My separate remarks are enclosed in parenthesis ()
County Commissioners Meeting
03/14/2015
Open Forum
Now folks I am no slick tongued politician and I don't speak like they do. I don't speak Politician.
I call things what they are, not what I want them to be.
So my conversation is a bit rough but honest. I'm just a redneck and proud of it.
I have nothing to gain by lying like politicians often do !
So, I start out saying during Open Forum, at the last meeting during Open Forum {speaking to Kaminslka) you said you went around to the communities soliciting people to take free taxpayer dollars, I was wondering if that was authorized by this County Commissioners Meeting? Kaminska asked, "What did I do?" Me, "You put it in other words, but it amounted to going out soliciting people to accept taxpayer dollars. She said, I believe you are referring that we talked about allocating wind farm money to the communities. Me, yes ma'am! We had already discussed that at the board. I asked, Were you authorized at open County Commissioners Meeting to make these solicitations. Kaminska says I am an elected official! I asked if it is County Business? Kaminska said, "If you are not going to listen to me, I'm not going to respond." I said, "You are not answering the question! Is it business, is it county business?"
(Kaminska continued redirecting her answer to avoid answering the Questions, just like a Washington, D.C. politician. Is this what Elk County has become? Washington, D.C.?)
She continued saying they have talked about allocating wind farm money to the communities by population.
(As if talk is authorization to do county business by going out and soliciting people to accept taxpayer dollars for free. Was there a vote of approval by the County Commissioners. I don't think so. Apparently Kaminiski thinks being elected to office gives her free rein to do as she wants, just like the big politicians. There is No need to answer to the taxpayers or the commission by an authorized vote. I think we as a county are in trouble.)
Kaminska finally did state no one authorized her to attend City Council Business Meetings. (Kaminska does not call them business meetings, but that is exactly what they are.) Kaminska said once we put it on open forum and all that (like that is some form of approval, which it is not) She said, I because I represent Elk Falls and Longton, I went to the Elk Falls City Council Business Meeting and the Longton City Council Business Meetings Of course she did not refer to them as Business meetings but folks these are business meetings just like the County Commissioners Meetings are Business Meetings} and Kaminska said we have been kicking this idea around and both communities said, yes we would
DEFINITELY like to take
ADVANTAGE of some of that funding. (That is doing County Business at City Councils and no County Record of it. It's a protocol and ethics situaton that is very questionable ! Much like previous Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. )
Kaminiska said the County Commissioners had talked about allocating money to the various communities based on their population for their infrastructures and roads.
(Was there ever a motion and a second and a vote taken to approve the action being taken before this date?}
Kaminska said she attended two City Council Business Meetings because she is their representative and she wanted to get feedback from her constituents.
Are the Mayors and City Councilmen her only constituents? Just asking? Is it just politics? These were Business Meetings and she was SOLICITING them to accept
free taxpayer dollars and as a representative of the Elk County Commissioners.
(
Folks the wind farm money is no longer wind farm money once it enters the County Coffers -- it is taxpayer dollars and nothing more. To call it Wind Farm Money is a politician muddying the real issues ! Forget calling it wind farm money, because
IF it was wind farm money it would not be in the county coffers and the County Commissioners could not be giving it away for free.
I asked why the Communities can't come to the County Commissioners Meetings to do business with the county? And boy did the excuses fly! However, we had the company of a woman from the Elk Falls City Council present! Go figure.
And I would like to remind you at the previous County Commissioners Meeting during Open Forum, I asked how many of the City Mayors or City Council Members had come before the County Commissioners Board asking for money and the answer was
NONE ! So they had to be
SOLICITED!Folks I'm done for today and I will try to finish this tomorrow but in closing this reminds me of the attempts by
Elk Kon nected trying to control the County Coffers and by that I am referring to page one of this thread. This is a bailout of poor government business planning on the parts of elected officials of the communities in my opinion, yep that is exactly what it is.)
Good Night All
County Commissioners Meeting
Open Forum
03/14/2016
Continued Part 2
(My personal remarks and opinions not made during the Forum are in parenthesis.)
I asked why does the county have to go to the City Councils to do business? Why don't they come to the County Commissioners Meeting to do business with the county. Kaminska said it is not always convenient for them, they have meetings in the evening and may have jobs and can't get off. (Just excuses.)
(Now folks if you as an individual want to do business with the County Commissioners and can't get off work, do you think they will come to your house to hear what you have to say? Was it convenient for the numerous folks to come to the Commissioners Meetings, numerous times about the roads to get their attention? What has convenience have to do with doing Business with the Elk County Government? (Maybe
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska thinks the County should operate business like an
NGO. A bit shady in my opinion! You know maybe like
Elk Kon nected ? Instead of at a documented County Commissioners Meeting!)
I asked, why can't you save that money and invest it and collect compounded interest on it and let it grow, so it can pay the county an income, so taxes could be lowered --- lower taxes for everyone. Why don't we do something smart for the county as a whole? You don't want to return the tax money to the taxpayers because most of it will leave the county you said. (This was because at the previous forum, I said if you don't want or need the money give it back to the taxpayers.)
Kaminsks said it's not money that's going to be handed out like candy.
(Sure it is, it's free taxpayer dollars that belong to the county.) Kaminska repeated it's mot just money to be given! (Was that to try to convenience me and the audience of something? It didn't work. Free taxpayer dollars are free taxpayer dollars.)
Kaminska continued it's going to be used as an investment in the community's for roads and water systems, etc. (I said etc. because I could not understand what else she said.) She continued, It's to do things the communities don't have the capacity to do. (Is she saying the elected officials are incapable of long term planning and incapable of applying for Community Block Grants from the Federal Government? Why, do they lack the education? Instead they will accept money taken from the County Government to do what their City Government should be able to do, right?)
(To me it is not an investment, it's a bailout! It is a disposal of County Coffers! It's an
Elk Kon nected call, check page one of this thread. It's a bailout for poor business planning on the part of the elected officials of the community's to plan and save their own tax money for their own needs. Just like the Howard swimming pool, Howard thinks everyone in Elk County should pay for it's repair. Nope not an investment, a bail out, maybe, at the expense of all County Taxpayers. It is also poor planning on the part of the County Commissioner for long term planning for the county as a whole. This year they give away $100,000.00 and maybe next year since they get away with it, they give away $200,000.00 and the next year $500,000.00 where will it end? Oh yes at the previous Open Forum they said next year and the next year. Haven't we heard enough from the federal government about bail outs? Even though those bail outs were suppose to pe paid back, most people did not approve!.)
Kaminska continues with, I know where you live. You live right on the highway and you don't have no road problems, you don't have no sewer problems. I said, I do drive the back roads occasionally but that has nothing to do with it, you are giving away taxpayer dollars.(She sounds just like
Elk Kon nected doesn't she?) I don't care what you call it, call it wind farm money or PILOT money. It's called PILOT money because they don't have to pay their fair share of property taxes but, it is still taxpayer dollars. (PILOT means payment in lieu of taxes, translation payment instead of being taxed their fair share. Oh and I did have a sewer problem! My septic tank stopped working and backed up into the house. I didn't ask the County to pay to have it pumped. I paid for it, because it is my responsibility. Just like the sewer is the responsibility of elected officials of the communities.)
I stated the Wind Farm doesn't pay the same taxes I pay or he pays (meaning an audience member). The State just collected $1,000.000.00 and the state only charges 1 mill (I double checked it is actually 1.5 mil) Kaminska wanted to argue she didn't know what the state got, and I said the people down stairs just received a letter stating the $1 Million, and the county charges how much? It is a whole lot more than the state, how many times more? Kaminiska said I think it is 103 mill. (She is right, I just checked my property tax form and it reads 103.491000. I'll leave the math up to you to figure out what the real amount of taxes should be on the Wind Farm. Whatever that number might be the County only collects a portion of it.)
Kaminska asked is there anything else? Once again I asked why can't you guys do something smart and save that money and invest it and let it pay an income to the county, then you could lower taxes for everyone? Kaminska said bring me something that would show me how long that would take and how that would work. How long would it take to produce, you know? She said with interest rates so low on savings, it won't make much money. I said there are other investments and surely you have someone in this county that knows about investments. (Is her knowledge limited on investments to a savings account?)
(Folks I'm not talking about instant gratification and I am sure every one understands the Wind Farm money will eventually stop coming. Either at the end of 20 years or possibly sooner. What if a tornado were to wipe the wind farm out, what then? The county officials should be taking into account all possibilities and do some long term planning for everyone in the county, while they have this annual windfall! And there are other reasons for long term planning and one is brought out during this Open Forum by Kaminska herself.
Okay I'm going to stop for today and carry this Open Forum to part 3 tomorrow, if I have time.
Bye-Bye for now, I have some work to do.)
County Commissioners Meeting
Open Forum
03/14/2016
Continued Part 3
and done.
My personal remarks are in parenthesis.The Elk Falls City Councilwoman say's she understands, what I am talking about. In relation to the Wind Farm money (taxpayer dollars), but says we have been in a recession for about 8 years and I don't see it going away for 2 or 3 years. Yes, my suggestion was to help fund (with county taxpayer dollars) the smaller communities that need it. But also economic development, we need to bring business into this area, we have two major highways that run through our county and we also have 400 that is 12 miles north of us, that is a major interstate commerce passageway. We need to bring actual manufacturing business here (I could not hear what else she was saying at this point and it did not record either.) to help us with (something). And economic development in this county , we are the poorest county in state. If we don't change our ways, I've been here almost seven years and we are not going to continue surviving this way. I understand you have farms and ranches and all that, but that's not the only thing in life that we live on. As a taxpayer I am entitled to my opinion. An employee said bring a plan that tells us what it's going to do, how long it's going to take and how much it's going to cost and bring that to the board. And if enough taxpayers including myself can see that your plan can work, then we would probably be on board with that. Ms, Byrdee I totally understand and agree with you, there is just one thing in life there is no guarantee in anything, we don't even know if we will be here tomorrow. Byrdee, I understand that. There is no guarantee we would even get a 5% investment rate. Interest rates are basically 1/10 of a percent, like on a 5 month CD for the general public. Byrdie said, We can't do anything, we or the community can not do anything with out a plan. Excuse me I'm speaking, You can not do any kind of economic development without a plan. (Byrdie is so polite, nice lady.) (There is much more to investing than CD's and savings accounts.)
(The conversation moved on to our ex Economic Development Employee, remember the one that worked for
Elk Kon nected ? Beginning to sound like Elk Kon nected, again, involved here, doesn't it ? Read on, please.)
The Elk Falls City Councilwoman said, "When it comes to the only Economic Development employee we had, for what ever reason, I don't know, if they were expecting a savings or what. When you fired Ms. Jennifer that put us in the hole even more. Now we have no one out there promoting our county. I believe it was Ms. Byrdee that said, I don't believe she was fired but that she quit. Elk Falls City Councilwoman (I believe she said} She was fired from her Youth Development Coordinator. An aiudiance member said, "The Youth Development Program was discontinue and besides that, we had an economic employee in this county for twenty, someone tell me how many years, 20 some years or 30 years. Who did absolutely nothing but draw wages. I hear these guys agree with me, I just wanted to be sure."
Kaminsi said, "I totally understand. I will say on this question, we discussed this a little bit at the last meeting, the projected population for the county between now and 2044 according to projections Elk County is suppose to lose 34% of it population. Today we are at about 2600 - 2665, we are suppose to be at
1781 by these projections. (She was pointing to two little pictures on the wall behind her. I assume they were maps of Elk County.) Kaminski continues, "So it will be more difficult to maintain County operations." I interjected, "All the more reason to save money, huh!" Not sure but I think it was the Elk Falls City Councilwoman who said, "Or all the more reason to turn our fate around." I said, "How about building an industrial park, so if someone would wants to come in here." Kaminiska said (a couple of times), "Absolutely I'd love to do that." I said, "Right there is good place to spend the money you want to give away." Audiance members said, "It takes a plan, while chuckling." Kaminski said, " I think it's a little bit hard to point a finger at one person, to ever suggest something and say why don't you develop a plan. Elk County City Councilwoman said, "Some one needs to come up with a plan." (Why do we have /county Commissioners, supposedly leaders?)
Someone said they have never seen an economic development plan. And Kaminska said, "We can't re-hash all that today."
Hebb said, The boat company in Nedesha was gonna come in here twice. Chamber of Commerce bugged them out of here. One deal was they wouldn't let them put a dock out at the lake. (That would have been a free development, wouldn't it?") The other was they would be raising wages and putting stuff in the river they didn't want in there." Another audiance member said,"I remember one wanting to come in here when i was in school and the City Councilman and all that stuff, they didn't want it, because they would have to pay their help more money to do it." Kaminska responded, " I don't really understand that, because it is a free enterprise system. It's like Dollar General, there were people that didn't want them in here, well, they are here and I don't know how a city council could stop that." Some one said, The water supply, they said the water supply wouldn't handle it."
(Well folks this is where I quit recording and had to leave because of a message to come home ASAP.
In closing many people don't recognize control of certain families or groups but
Elk Kon nected did bring attention to the
"Old Guard" which is what I really believe
Elk Kon nected to be only I see it as
"The Old Guard in a New Dress" LOLI was told and I do believe the City of Howard refused to provide water and possibly other services to Dollar General effectively stopping them the first time around. Apparently Dollar General has more power than the Howard City Council does. I believe this is what scares the locals. By that I mean, they would lose their power of control. If there were a large manufacturing company to move into Elk County along with it would be possibly a lot of outsiders and people with much higher wages. And owners and managers with more money than the locals.
Money is power. And that scares the local. A large or even a medium size company would have a great deal of influence, political and other wise, in the county. These are the main factors that prevent Elk County from growing.
As far as I am concerned, I don't care if it grows or not, I am retired and possibly to old to ever hope to work again. That is why, I am happy on my little farm, I am busy all the time. I enjoy working. I'm crazy --- I know!
I just don't like seeing taxpayer money given away, because they want to call it Wind Farm money.
That is very deceptive. And you read above what Kaminski said during an open County Commissioners Meeting. The county population is predicted to drop to
1781 people making it difficult to maintain county operations. A major reason to save every dollar they can and invest it, so it can pay the county an income and keep property taxes from increasing.
The cities, each have their own governments and they tax their citizens for the purpose of taking care of their own cities. Apparently, they don't have people educated in budgeting for street repairs, sewer repair and replacement, etc. Apparently, they don't have people elected to do long range planning and requesting City block Grants. Apparently they have elected incompetent officials.
Apparently the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners don't recognize a lot of this information. Another thing the cities ekected ofiiciaks and the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners don't recognize is that not everything has to be done at once, that is what long term planning is about.
Corporate Welfare is no different than the people that get on welfare and stay there because they have gven up. That is why the
Konnected Kounty Kommissioners plan to continue giving away free taxpayer dollars again next year and the next year. Also, because they can not recognize the importance of saving the money for when the population has dropped to the
1781 population they have been warned about.
You know, I haven't heard Oak Valley mentioned even once for free tax dollars, and I wonder why? Is it because their little village isn't incorporated? But might they want something or need something special for their little village just the same? Maybe some infrastructure they can't afford? Did anyone ask them if they could use some free taxpayer dollars? They are not incorporated so, it would not be Corporate Welfare, right?
What is fair about giving more free tax dollars to Howard than to Moline? That crap about based on population is not fair to the smaller cities. Why? Because the smaller cities have a smaller city tax already and things in their communities will be just as expensive as in Howard, leaving them with less money to work with. Just give each city an equal amount of the free taxpayer dollars to be more fair. Howard seems to always get the better deal. Or better yet save the money and invest it for harder times ahead. Let the cities be responsible for them selves. They already recieve enough financial help from the ?County government.
I have tried to keep this as accurate as possible and I have had my say. I know I am not making friends with elected officials, but that is okay. I am not a politically correct person.
Okay, I'm done with this County commissioners Meeting!
So once again good night folks.
)Good night folks.
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ELK COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA
March 28, 2016
Regularly Scheduled Meeting
1:00 p.m. - Call to Order
Minutes Approval – March 14th Regular Meeting
1:10 p.m. Public Forum
1:20 p.m. – Department Reports
(Department Head meetings: 8 AM; Thursday before each Commissioner Meeting)
Old Business:
Wage Scale
Handbook Changes
New Business
1:45 p.m. – Larry Sharp KCAMP Insurance Review
2:15 p.m. –
2:30 p.m. – Resolution 2016-02, Automatic Aid Agreement with the City of Howard2:45 p.m. – CIC Annual Peopleware Agreement
3:00 p.m. –
Abatements: PP: 2016-57
Presentation of Claims
Other
Adjournment
WAGE SCALE WORK SESSION IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING COMMISSIONER MEETING.
Future Events: April 14: SEK District Meeting at Franklin Co Courthouse, Ottawa, KS
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Is that like Foreign Aid
NO
More like Automatic WELFARE to Howard.
at the expense of all Elk County Tax Payers
Year after Year without Review.
A federal Government type of move.
Got to wait and see
.
Do we need Higher Property Tax Rates for West Elk
OR
Do We need a More Efficient Administration
And
School Board that pays Attention
To Efficiency
?
This is probably information West Elk USD 282 would probably prefer you don't know.
Remember the Superintendent said it cost something like $8,000 per student?
I was guessing more like $13,000, boy was I wrong ! But then I don't have acccess to all the school's financial books.
There will most likely be excuses made for the lack of efficiency and it should be expected.2014-15 AMOUNT PER PUPIL 1000-2100-2200 SERIES COMBINED COSTS
Low to High with Cooperative Districts Highlighted -- taken from KSDE SF16-010
(If it was high to low
We would be Number ONE in the State
instead of last on the list)
No. of 2014-15 2014-15
Students Expenditures Amount
All Funds Per Pupil
D0282 West Elk Elk 318.8 5,599,644 17,565
D0113 Prairie Hills Nemaha 1,092.5 8,135,085 7,446
D0446 Independence Montgomery 1,950.2 13,902,973 7,129
D0392 Osborne County 287.6 2,356,396 8,193
D0460 Hesston 803.3 5,668,020 7,056
D0381 Spearville 340.8 2,483,670 7,288
You can verify this information by going to: http://kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/committees/ctte_spc_2015_special_committee_on_k12_student_s_1/documents/testimony/20151110_04.pdf
All School Districts in Kansas are listed in this PDF form.
Quote from: ROSS on March 28, 2016, 09:53:03 AM
ELK COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA
March 28, 2016
2:30 p.m. – Resolution 2016-02, Automatic Aid Agreement with the City of Howard
I could not make it to the meeting yesterday, but i did find out that the resolution was not approved.
Because it only named for Howard and left out all of the other communities so it has to be re-written.
Still my question is why?
Why a resolution?
Is it to prevent any new commissioners from canceling the Welfare, oop's aid ?
I am curious to see the resolution and see who is promised what aren't you ?
Funding Facts For Teachers
As teachers, we need to be more activw in attaining information and questioning selective data provided to us. As teachers, we impart to our students how important it is to think critically. We should do the same with school funding,.
Don't take anything at face value.
Ask questions. Demand answers.
Knowledge is Power!
Isn't just for kids.
https://kansaspolicy.org/teachers-guide-education-funding/
Shouldn't the above information apply to tax payers as well?The deeper I dig the worse it sounds, but there may be some relief for property owner taxpayers in the new HB 2741 if it passes.
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Funding Per Pupil Database
Per-pupil funding from taxpayers at the state, federal and local levels. State-mandated 20 mills of property tax for school support had been erroneously reflected as Local aid until it was corrected by the Legislature in 2015; on average, the 2015 transition increased State aid and decreased Local aid by roughly $1,200 per pupil.
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total2015 282 West Elk Elk $12,182 $5,271 $7,597 $25,049Apparently the $17,565 I posted earlier did not include the $7,597 dollars per child from local property taxes.[/b]
Check it out at: http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
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KANSAS LEGISLATURE INTRODUCES TRANSFORMATIVE NEW SCHOOL FUNDING SYSTEM
Dave TrabertMarch 29, 2016Education
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To the surprise of many legislative observers, a brand new school finance system was proposed last week in House Appropriations with an effective date of July 1, 2017. The unique approach set forth in HB 2741 includes a new method of equalizing capital outlay aid and eliminates the need for Local Option Budget equalization by providing all funding needed to meet the adequacy test through the state budget.
The new system retains some elements from the old system but it is largely a new approach that seems reasonable calculated to give school districts the funding needed to meet expected outcomes while requiring more efficient use of taxpayers' money, which is the Supreme Court's constitutional test on adequacy. It is not the Court's role to determine the actual amount of funding, but as they specified in Gannon, to determine whether the funding provided is "...reasonably calculated to have all Kansas public education students meet or exceed the standards set out in Rose and presently codified in K.S.A. 2013 Supp. 72-1127." The test is whether funding is reasonably calculated (how the Legislature arrived at the decision) rather than whether they selected a particular level of funding.
The plan is also much easier to understand than the old byzantine formula and should dramatically streamline the budgeting process as well as providing a great deal more predictability to local school boards.
Taxpayers should appreciate the first-ever efficiency requirements built in to the plan; our recent statewide market search study found that 88 percent of Kansans believe local school boards should make efficient use of taxpayer money and 73 percent believe there should be some efficiency requirements included in a school funding formula. But there will also likely be considerable pushback on this plan since it's not the 'blank check' that some would like to see provided.
Read much more at: https://kansaspolicy.org/kansas-legislature-introduces-transformative-new-school-funding-system/
Are you by chance following and reading about the Socialist Liberals that approve of
Kon nected Kounty Kommissior giving away FREE MONEY as in taxpayer dollars in the fashion of Socialism.
Go to, to catch up.
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,17745.0.html
One reader and poster doesn't seem to think Elk Konnected is worth speaking of.
Isn't that just hilarious?
Have you heard about the new Elk County Economic Development Program?I visited Howeird this morning and heard about it!
The New Dollar General Store is open and because, I had read here on the forum that they would not be like
other Dollar General Stores and would be carrying big items like appliances I wanted to see for myself.
Boy was that bad information, I saw nary an appliance.
What I saw was like every other Dollar General Store.
Lots of groceries, soda's, Gatorade, you name it and Drug Store over the counter stuff and again you name it.
The Economic plan i was talking about !
If you shop there you stand a good chance of being threatened !
How's that for an economic development plan.
The story goes on to say people are trying to shame the people that have accepted jobs there !
Now that is plain shameful - if true .
Shouldn't people be encouraged and congratulated for getting a job?I find it completely
Shameful to try to shame people willing to work, instead of being stuck on
Socialism's welfare.
It was said, the people doing the threatening happen to be the ones that go to Walmart and other stores outside of Elk County to do their shopping.
Sure it's
rumor but, I happen to believe my source, who shall remain anonymous.
After all he doesn't need to be
threatened, does he?
where this thread has been
Rumor also has it we will have a very wet weekend.
How about buying votes during this election year in Elk County?
Food for thought! I posted on anther thread but I'm gonna quote it over here.
Why you may ask? Because that thread my go away some day soon!may stay that way for another very long time.
Where as this thread has been active for a long time (5years) and may remain active for another very long time.
Quote from: ROSS on April 13, 2016, 10:28:21 AM
I thought i understood what all the Elk Kounty Welfare and SOCIALISM was about !
Boy I was wrong. And I got corrected this morning!
IT IS AN ELECTION YEAR ?
DO YOU GET IT ?
POLITITCS !
The Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners didn't go Socialist with taxpayers money as FREE MONEY last year did they?
This year is different, I was informed the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners are using their positions to buy votes !
Oh yea, I believe that! But I hope the voters are smarter than to be bought so cheaply?
Of the two Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners Liebau of District 3 has the seat that is up for vote. And I have been informed they are very concerned about an honest man competing against Liebau.
Try to recall what happened the last time Liebau ran. They convinced a third man to run for the seat.
Most likely to cause the vote to be split hoping to insure the re-election of Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liebau. And it worked.
Now I am not asking any one to believe any thing I post. I only ask that you think about it and discuss it.
I don;t even care if you cuss me, but please discuss this information.
That is sad to think people in Howard would shame someone for want to work.
Quote from: Jane on April 13, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
That is sad to think people in Howard would shame someone for want to work.
I agree with you Jane, I totally agree.
Just as sad, if people are threatening people for shopping at the Dollar General.
Nothing but rumors if there is no source. Ross, did you intentionally misspell Howard?
In another county, the director of Economic Development was taking credit for bringing in Dollar General.
Nothing like trying to justify your own socialist bureaucratic government job while the real jobs are elsewhere.
Wonder how he answered his success to the locally owned businesses?
Oh well, keep spending that government money for your own Economic Development to see how socialism really doesn't work.
Ross please answer my question.
Quote from: proelkco on April 15, 2016, 08:24:04 AM
Ross please answer my question.
NOPE, not a chance!Look up the word for your self!NOPE, not a chance of answering anything you ask because you can't/wont/refuse answer any questions.
On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
none of you seem to have the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Have a great day.
Quote from: ROSS on April 15, 2016, 08:50:14 AM
NOPE, not a chance!
Look up the word for your self!
NOPE, not a chance of answering anything you ask because you can't/wont/refuse answer any questions.
On the subject of FREE MONEY !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?
How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Have a great day.
Ross needs to take a look at Wednesday's local paper. A very good letter to the editor was published.
The letter was somewhat lengthy but was polite, there was no belligerent tone, no name calling, no insulting, and no yelling. The writer stayed focused and the subject was one of Ross's favorites.
Ross could learn by reading the letter and taking notes. If he applies himself, he too, could put together a letter that would be accepted by an editor for print.
Plus, he could put his new found skills to use when responding on this forum.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 09:11:12 AM
Ross needs to take a look at Wednesday's local paper. A very good letter to the editor was published.
The letter was somewhat lengthy but was polite, there was no belligerent tone, no name calling, no insulting, and no yelling. The writer stayed focused and the subject was one of Ross's favorites.
Ross could learn by reading the letter and taking notes. If he applies himself, he too, could put together a letter that would be accepted by an editor for print.
Plus, he could put his new found skills to use when responding on this forum.
You could learn from your own words, " no belligerent tone, no name calling, no insulting, and no yelling"
Opinions are just that opinions, you have your and I have mine and the editor of the paper has his. But does any of it really exist on the forum or in the news paper. Do you turn up or hearing aids to hear all that noise. Naw, you just don't appreciate the use of emphasis, do you?
Why do you keep changing the subject back to the newspaper avoiding, answering simple questions?
You want me to answer your questions but refuse to answer mine, well communication does not work well that way.
And by the way your political correctness is being rejected by most people across the US of A. That is for Obama and his ilk and Liberals!
Reminds me of a politician simply using deference to avoid being truthful and avoid honesty.
I will try to borrow my neighbors paper today and read it.
I just haven't had time for it and hadn't even thought of the paper this week. And that is unusual. Thanks for the heads up.
Gee whiz a jerk calling me a jerk how sweet of him. We are equal opportunity jerks. So lets move on shall we? LOL
Yep, I can be a jerk just like him and the other
Kon nected Followers that have attempted to insult and belittle me with name calling and unfounded implications over the last 5 years. How quickly they forget.
Of course a letter to the editor requires politically correct writing no matte how upset the author is.
Also the Editor does not directly attack the author with insult and belittling with name calling and unfounded implications does he?
Wise up Gray, do you breath well in the high altitudes in Colorado?
Why are you so indecent to demand I answer your questions but refuse to answer mine?answering some simple questions
The reason you keep attacking I should be going to the editor instead of this.
Well loser, I have told you several times, the editor is associated with Elk Kon nected and very biased and I have no desire to even get him to print anything I would write concerning this particular subject. I have explained I feel no need to go there.
You sir are afraid to answer the following questions because you are afraid!
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
none of you seem to have the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Have a great day.
Quote from: ROSS on April 15, 2016, 09:54:14 AM
You could learn from your own words, " no belligerent tone, no name calling, no insulting, and no yelling"
Opinions are just that opinions, you have your and I have mine and the editor of the paper has his. But does any of it really exist on the forum or in the news paper. Do you turn up or hearing aids to hear all that noise. Naw, you just don't appreciate the use of emphasis, do you?
Why do you keep changing the subject back to the newspaper avoiding, answering simple questions?
You want me to answer your questions but refuse to answer mine, well communication does not work well that way.
And by the way your political correctness is being rejected by most people across the US of A. That is for Obama and his ilk and Liberals!
Reminds me of a politician simply using deference to avoid being truthful and avoid honesty.
I will try to borrow my neighbors paper today and read it.
I just haven't had time for it and hadn't even thought of the paper this week. And that is unusual. Thanks for the heads up.
Gee whiz a jerk calling me a jerk how sweet of him. We are equal opportunity jerks. So lets move on shall we? LOL
Yep, I can be a jerk just like him and the other Kon nected Followers that have attempted to insult and belittle me with name calling and unfounded implications over the last 5 years. How quickly they forget.
Of course a letter to the editor requires politically correct writing no matte how upset the author is.
Also the Editor does not directly attack the author with insult and belittling with name calling and unfounded implications does he?
Wise up Gray, do you breath well in the high altitudes in Colorado?
Why are you so indecent to demand I answer your questions but refuse to answer mine?answering some simple questions
The reason you keep attacking I should be going to the editor instead of this.
Well loser, I have told you several times, the editor is associated with Elk Kon nected and very biased and I have no desire to even get him to print anything I would write concerning this particular subject. I have explained I feel no need to go there.
You sir are afraid to answer the following questions because you are afraid!
Afraid of the truth!
On the subject of FREE MONEY !
Would you please respond to the following that none of you seem to have the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?
How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Have a great day.
"I should be going to the editor instead of this." Take it and run. Tell yourself you can do it and write a decent letter. Make your case.
"I will try to borrow my neighbors paper today and read it." One would think you would want to subscribe to the local paper so that you could keep up on Elk Konnected, at the very least.
"I have no desire to even get him to print anything I would write concerning this particular subject." Then why did you write the rejected letter?
"that have attempted to insult and belittle me with name calling and unfounded implications over the last 5 years." Why do you suppose something like that would happen in the first place?
"I just haven't had time for it and hadn't even thought of the paper this week" Would you be too busy using your version of "communicating" with people on the forum? Is that taking up all your time?
come on ross answer my question
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
"I should be going to the editor instead of this." Take it and run. Tell yourself you can do it and write a decent letter. Make your case.
Of course if
You want to do that, do it!
What I do is not up to you?
You only desire is to change the subject like a good little liberal /democrat/poltitician to avoid answering the questions honestly. Because you either have to accept the truth or show your full liberalism.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
"I will try to borrow my neighbors paper today and read it." One would think you would want to subscribe to the local paper so that you could keep up on Elk Konnected, at the very least.
I'm not responsible or answerable to you for my actions!
And my choices are mine and mine alone!
But I will share with you, that I don't want to put money into the pocket of such a biased person.
So, sit on it.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
"I have no desire to even get him to print anything I would write concerning this particular subject." Then why did you write the rejected letter?
Can you really be that stupid? If you read, what I said before and comprehended what was written you would know and understand.
Let me repeat for you, because of your attempt to make me look bad over a letter written 5 years ago.
The editor claimed it was too long and because it was concerning
Elk Kon nected he would not print it. And he further stated that he was associated with
Elk Kon nected . That letter was no longer than the one in this weeks paper.
So, what is too difficult for you to comprehend?
But you fail to mention the other two letters, I wrote that were published !
It was after the second letter, where he basically with his bias attitude he tried to back stab me, and that is when I decided, I did not want to support him financially.
I expect you to ask, what I mean by that or why do you suppose that happened, well don't ask, think try thinking for yourself.
It was even brought up at a County Commissioners Meeting to drop that paper as the official paper of Elk County.
So, you just are not up on, what happens in Elk County are you?
Of course you aren't, living in Colorado you don't know!
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
"that have attempted to insult and belittle me with name calling and unfounded implications over the last 5 years." Why do you suppose something like that would happen in the first place?
Because those
Elk Kon nected Followers were just like you and refused to answer decent questions. They also denied that the letter to the
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners on page one of the thread
Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html was not from
Elk Kon nected! When in fact it was generated by what was billed as an
Elk Kon nected Kommunity Konversation, but was in fact a three ring circus with a ring master telling people who they could sit with and had a game of musical chairs with out music. The Elk Kon nected [/color][/b]
Followers even tried to blame the letter on the person they had deliver the letter to the
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. The
Elk Kon nected Followers were unable to have a conversation and resorted to name calling in the same way that you have resorted to changing the subject and trying to tell me what to do, instead of answering a few simple questions. Perhaps you should read the thread and catch up.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 15, 2016, 02:18:09 PM
"I just haven't had time for it and hadn't even thought of the paper this week" Would you be too busy using your version of "communicating" with people on the forum? Is that taking up all your time?
See stupid shit like this is very insulting, but I forgive you for being ignorant to your style of insult.
I do have a life and it is very busy, thank you!
But the manner of how I am busy or why I'm busy is of no concern to you.
That was politically correct.
The following is more honest and either military or redneck vernacular or both
Meaning it is none of your damn business.
You are silly and funny and laughable so keep the garbage coming?
Now for the questions you refuse to answer, they can not be that difficult or strenuous, now can they?
Or are you just behaving like an
Elk Kon nected Follower with the inability to communicate the truth.
You sir, are
afraid to answer the following questions, aren't you?
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
you seem to lack the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Good Might.
Quote from: proelkco on April 15, 2016, 07:36:52 PM
come on ross answer my question
I told you honestly, no!
Not until you respond to questions presented to you first.
It is your turn first.
You sir, are
afraid to answer the following questions, aren't you?
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
you seem to lack the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Good Might.
You sure do get a lot of questions.
If they'd read, they'd see that you've already answered.
I guess liberals never find a way to understand because they think so much of government instead of the country and liberty.
Progressives love the tyranny and tyrants.
Quote from: ROSS on April 15, 2016, 08:21:28 PM
Of course if You want to do that, do it!
What I do is not up to you?
You only desire is to change the subject like a good little liberal /democrat/poltitician to avoid answering the questions honestly. Because you either have to accept the truth or show your full liberalism.
I'm not responsible or answerable to you for my actions!
And my choices are mine and mine alone!
But I will share with you, that I don't want to put money into the pocket of such a biased person.
So, sit on it.
Can you really be that stupid? If you read, what I said before and comprehended what was written you would know and understand.
Let me repeat for you, because of your attempt to make me look bad over a letter written 5 years ago.
The editor claimed it was too long and because it was concerning Elk Kon nected he would not print it. And he further stated that he was associated withElk Kon nected . That letter was no longer than the one in this weeks paper.
So, what is too difficult for you to comprehend?
But you fail to mention the other two letters, I wrote that were published !
It was after the second letter, where he basically with his bias attitude he tried to back stab me, and that is when I decided, I did not want to support him financially.
I expect you to ask, what I mean by that or why do you suppose that happened, well don't ask, think try thinking for yourself.
It was even brought up at a County Commissioners Meeting to drop that paper as the official paper of Elk County.
So, you just are not up on, what happens in Elk County are you?
Of course you aren't, living in Colorado you don't know!
Because those Elk Kon nected Followers were just like you and refused to answer decent questions. They also denied that the letter to the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners on page one of the thread Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html was not from Elk Kon nected! When in fact it was generated by what was billed as an Elk Kon nected Kommunity Konversation, but was in fact a three ring circus with a ring master telling people who they could sit with and had a game of musical chairs with out music. The Elk Kon nected [/color]Followers even tried to blame the letter on the person they had deliver the letter to the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. The Elk Kon nected Followers were unable to have a conversation and resorted to name calling in the same way that you have resorted to changing the subject and trying to tell me what to do, instead of answering a few simple questions. Perhaps you should read the thread and catch up.
See stupid shit like this is very insulting, but I forgive you for being ignorant to your style of insult.
I do have a life and it is very busy, thank you!
But the manner of how I am busy or why I'm busy is of no concern to you.
That was politically correct.
The following is more honest and either military or redneck vernacular or both
Meaning it is none of your damn business.
You are silly and funny and laughable so keep the garbage coming?
Now for the questions you refuse to answer, they can not be that difficult or strenuous, now can they?
Or are you just behaving like an Elk Kon nected Follower with the inability to communicate the truth.
You sir, are afraid to answer the following questions, aren't you?
Afraid of the truth!
On the subject of FREE MONEY !
Would you please respond to the following that you seem to lack the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away FREE MONEY ?
How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Thank You
and
Good Might.
"What I do is not up to you?" Why did you use a question mark? Why not just make a statement?
"Let me repeat for you, because of your attempt to make me look bad over a letter written 5 years ago."
Wouldn't you agree that it was you who made yourself look bad?
"But you fail to mention the other two letters, I wrote that were published!" Good going. Put both of them on here. Let us all see them. Let us see what you can do.
"It was after the second letter, where he basically with his bias attitude he tried to back stab me, and that is when I decided, I did not want to support him financially." What did he say to make you think he "basically" back stabbed you?
"It was even brought up at a County Commissioners Meeting to drop that paper as the official paper of Elk County" You brought it up to drop the Prairie Star as the county paper? What newspaper did you recommend take its place?
Are you saying that you don't like Elk Konnected simply because you had to sit in a circle? Did you want to sit in a square? Who was it that you wanted to "sit with" but they would not let you?
Did you label the meeting a "three ring circus" because no one would listen to you?
They resorted to "name calling" at the Elk Konnected meeting. Was the "they," you?
"That letter was no longer than the one in this weeks paper". How did you make the comparison? You know you could put a copy of your letter on the forum for everyone to read.
I'm going to try to recap a bit of what Ross himself wrote about that EK organizational "conversation" among the people who were there.
The organizers attempted to use a format that encourages people to meet people from other areas to cross pollinate ideas and encourage the shy ones to feel comfortable enough to speak up if they care to.
I've been to several very large conferences over the years, where many hundreds of people were broken up into small working committees made up of people from many areas of the country. I really enjoyed it...got to meet some really great people with super ideas.
Sadly, closed minded skeptics hate that sort of thing. He announced that nobody was going to separate him from his wife. He didn't say why. Perhaps he wanted to be sure he controlled her and whatever she might have said...who knows?
Then he demanded to speak to the group. That was not part of the agenda, so he was refused. Apparently he was acting in such a way as to worry the table about what he was up to and asked where the sheriff was. At that point he(they) left and has never gotten over it. He accused people of messing with the committee reports and tried to cast doubt on whether any of the results were real.
He has never stopped trying to discredit some of those involved, even though it is now history and people have moved on. He tries to make himself sound so innocent, but I truly think he frightened some of the people there, based on later posts and PMs.
I'm sure he will now have a lot to say. I won't be seeing any of it as I still have him on ignore .Even so, by reading other people's pre and post Ross posts, it's easy to figure out generally what he has said.
Let the insults fly!
If you have Ross on ignore, that some does not seem fair that you can call him out. But you will not see what he says. If is was him I would ignore you. Which is what I am going to do.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM"What I do is not up to you?" Why did you use a question mark? Why not just make a statement?
It was a statement Diane !
Don't you recognize a typographical error !
I have stated numerous times throughout this forum i am not a secretary, but then you apparently don't read very well.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM
"Let me repeat for you, because of your attempt to make me look bad over a letter written 5 years ago."
Wouldn't you agree that it was you who made yourself look bad?
Well Diane it does make you look foolish !
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM"But you fail to mention the other two letters, I wrote that were published!" Good going. Put both of them on here. Let us all see them. Let us see what you can do.
No fool ! The letters are not relevant to the conversation of Socialism on the part of the
Elk Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. And they were read by by people that live here. You lose!
I simply mentioned them to show how ignorant you are about what happens in Elk County because you live in Colorado.
It is very apparent you are 100% for Socialism and are a Liberal based on refusing to answer some simple questions and making a fool of yourself with these posts. Diane do you have any comitment to your political area in Colorado? Or are you being to busy, being stupid about our politics? Or are you smoking that wacky tabaccy?
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM"It was after the second letter, where he basically with his bias attitude he tried to back stab me, and that is when I decided, I did not want to support him financially." What did he say to make you think he "basically" back stabbed you?
It makes no difference now!
And if you lived here and read the paper erhaps and I say perhpas you might understand. But I doubt it, based on your postings on this forum.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM"It was even brought up at a County Commissioners Meeting to drop that paper as the official paper of Elk County" You brought it up to drop the Prairie Star as the county paper? What newspaper did you recommend take its place?
There is that ignrance and stupidity and inability to comprehend what you read Diane !
I did not bring it up! Really how ignorant are you?
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AMAre you saying that you don't like Elk Konnected simply because you had to sit in a circle? Did you want to sit in a square? Who was it that you wanted to "sit with" but they would not let you?
Where did you read any such crap !
You didn't!
You simply lied by fabricating bull shit!
Where dd you read that I said, I don't like Elk Kon nected? Please direct us to the fabricated quote.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AMDid you label the meeting a "three ring circus" because no one would listen to you?
Nope again you fail to comprehend Diane !
You dont live here and therefore did not attend and have no clue!
Accept the simple fact like most Socialist's you have no clue of what you are talking about!
And you expect the good people of Elk County are dumb enough to believe this oranything you post in the future. Well you are wrong, they are much smarter than you give them credit for.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AMThey resorted to "name calling" at the Elk Konnected meeting. Was the "they," you?
If you are going to quote don't quote out of context, I never said the name calling was at the Kon nected Konversation. And read for comprehension, please!
Quote from: ROSS on April 15, 2016, 08:21:28 PMBecause those Elk Kon nected Followers were just like you and refused to answer decent questions. They also denied that the letter to the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners on page one of the thread Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25 at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html was not from Elk Kon nected! When in fact it was generated by what was billed as an Elk Kon nected Kommunity Konversation, but was in fact a three ring circus with a ring master telling people who they could sit with and had a game of musical chairs with out music. The Elk Kon nected [/color][/b]Followers even tried to blame the letter on the person they had deliver the letter to the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. The Elk Kon nected Followers were unable to have a conversation and resorted to name calling in the same way that you have resorted to changing the subject and trying to tell me what to do, instead of answering a few simple questions. Perhaps you should read the thread and catch up.
This was refering to this thread and the Kon nected Followers calling names. One step further was a back-handed death threat and a threat of a lawsuit against me. So don't concern yourself with rudness from me, if you don't know what you are talking anout.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 07:45:49 AM"That letter was no longer than the one in this weeks paper". How did you make the comparison? You know you could put a copy of your letter on the forum for everyone to read.
You are still showing your ignorance because the letter is irrelavant, as I have explained several times.
You sir, are
afraid to answer the following questions, aren't you?
if not, Why then do you keep changing the subject?
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
you seem to lack the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
Ross i do not see it the same as you do on the County Commissioners giving some of the pilot money to the cities. Question answered. Please tell me if you intenionally misspelled Howard in your previous post.
Oh, my word. Now I'm getting in "trouble" because Ross thinks I am writing as Waldo? I was just told that he has been addressing ME over something that Waldo wrote? Now that is really sad. I guess I'm going to have to take him off ignore and really let him have it.
Warning...angry long post to follow.
OK, Ross. I just took you off ignore and went back and read what you seem to think I wrote, that was really posted by Waldo. It even said so.... "quote from Waldo" many times. Why attribute any of it to me? Don't try to pretend it was just an accident. It was too hateful for that.
Have you really lost it?
Not that I much care, but even Jane has been affected by your rantings. Jane, he does not make the rules that govern me, or how and when I post. I do. I have no idea what you were trying to say. Go back and reread it, please. Now I'm going to go back and read all his recent crap...and see how passive/ aggressive he really is.
Thanks, my friends, but PM's will no longer be needed. He is really acting very strange and will risk anything to stick it to anyone who isn't a resident there. What a shame. I have yet to figure out what he is really after. He would have had a blanket party here by now if he pulled that stuff here... and what in the world does he have against teachers and anyone with a few brains? He must have been a terror in school to feel as he does yet I'll guess his son is a pretty good student. Not that he would credit the school or the teachers for any of it. It's not our fault he has a Kindergarten vocabulary and doesn't know more than one use for any word.
Wouldn't he love to know what I know about those art camps he went to in Lawrence. HA! No, I won't tell anything Ross, I'm not that kind of person.Yuk,Yuk.
He forgets that many of us have been on here long before he came along. A group of us got to know each other years ago and we were ALL very chatty, nice, happy people, sharing poems, history, stories, experiences, jokes and recipes and even paintings, writing about social events, with lots of nice photos. Then arrived a strange transplant who didn't have enough sense to check out the area's politics and taxes, etc. before hand.Not too bright, huh? Now he wants to change it all to suit himself and make as many enemies as he can along the way.That's OK Ross, your doppelganger shows up at city council and school board meetings here too. HA!
As we all know, Ross has tried to insult people away. He'll grab at anything to give himself what he sees as some strange advantage and will lie very easily to prove his ideas are "correct." I guess putting it in red makes it more important. Sorry,not impressed.
Most people don't care to be judged and risk being insulted over and over, so they stopped having opinions and conversations and have gone. Such a shame. Fortunately, a bunch of us are still able to visit in a civilized manner on another site
Unlike him, most of us still have long time family, friends, and/or interests there. He didn't until he moved there, so his influence is only skin deep. As long as he is so anti- everything that will never change.
So Ross, ya want war? Have at it. You'll never know if I'm reading you or not, and I most likely won't answer you anyway, as you are not trustworthy and are a confirmed pathelogical liar. Hasn't this all been said many times before? Aren't you tired of it? Wouldn't you rather spend some quality time doing something else?
I did not write as Waldo! Or anyone else, ever. Shame on you for suggesting otherwise.
You must have covered every page in your insult book trying to get a rise out of me.. over and over and over.
Pro, he got the "Howeird" business from something I wrote. It was created by some high school kids, long since graduated, poking sports fun at Howard. I posted it because it was so funny. Kid stuff. So of course, "you know who" took it to use himself. He did it on purpose. For what reason only he could tell you.
Ross, how about if we tell your wife how infatuated you are with me...ya just won't let go. :-* :-* :-* No, I don't ''call" you and expect you to post to me. Where did you ever get that idea and why would you think I'd ever accept some crazy rule like that? You are surely weird, with or without the "How."
How about if every time you insult me, I insult Jane? Is that warped enough for ya? Makes about as much sense. How about..."Hey, Jane ya stopped shoplifting yet?"I'll stop bugging here when you stop insulting me.
That's just about as funny as what you pull on others, and me. (Sorry Jane, I don't mean it, just an example of how he can be, turned back on him for a change.) How about some posts telling people how broke Ross is and please ask people to send him $? Isn't that just "roll on the floor" funny? No? Well why not?
As far as I know, Waldo has never asked me to post my UD degree, which is now 50 years old! Why would he? I'm happily retired and enjoying my volunteer work and doing some editing and writing as asked.We closed down my business and gave up my business license. Al is doing well fighting his cancer, but we will never know when and if it might break free as happened with the Flyer's "Daddy" just recently.
Ross, the information about the EK meeting came mostly from you, as well as several, I think 4, others who were there and each told the same thing consistently.That's not very hearsay, now is it?
Your behavior, in spite of your own interesting characterization of the exchange of words, was the talk of the town for some time...you, yourself kept it going and still do. Why is that? Nobody cares any more except you!
So, I'm telling you Ross, lay off! Stop being deliberately mean to people.Try being nice, even if you have to fake it.
Or, how about if I post your address so we can all send you get well cards and confound your family? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. Splat. To my friends, I'm sorry to have lost my temper but enough is enough.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
I'm going to try to recap a bit of what Ross himself wrote about that EK organizational "conversation" among the people who were there.
You start out wrong right off the bat!
But since you don't live here and only operate on hearsay, I can understand why!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Theorganizers attempted to use a format that encourages people to meet people from other areas to cross pollinate ideas and encourage the shy ones to feel comfortable enough to speak up if they care to.
To cross polinate, really Diane! That falls right in there about the joke of inbreeding here in Elk County. You say
Elk Konnected wanted pollination.
For a teacher you sure lack communication skills and the understanding of the meaning of words. Here is a refresher for you.
Pollination is a process in which pollen is transferred to the female reproductive organs of seed plants, thereby enabling fertilization and reproduction through growth of the pollen tube and eventual release of sperm.
Elk Konnected used every available option to control every move any one made. They refused to say who were members of
Elk Konnected.
They in fact tried to tell me, I was a member when i attended the meeting and signed the paper at the door. Only I did not sign the paper at the door. Don;t you reckon that was a great false hood? Claiming members but not telling them, that is really going low.
Ever hear of Saul Alinsky methods, yep they were used. But what was
Elk Konnectedselling to the people Diane? They were selling something they had no right to sell. They were selling the idea of being able to spend money
Elk Konnected had no business selling that.
But again
Elk Kon nected was invited to do the Community Conversation by Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners. In other words they were invited by themselves! How's that for ethics or the lack there of?
Wind Farm money which belonged to the Elk County coffers. Anything in the County Coffers belongs to all County Property taxpayers, not to Elk Konnected a privately owned Company. And only a very small percentage of Elk County residence's were there. Meaning a very poor representation of Elk County.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
I've been to several very large conferences over the years, where many hundreds of people were broken up into small working committees made up of people from many areas of the country. I really enjoyed it...got to meet some really great people with super ideas.
Because you believe in organizations and are very willing to be their puppet, that doesn't mean they are always a good thing. And you provide nothing to back what you say. And all of those that you enjoyed have nothing to do with this situation. They were probably grade school conventions, or really nothing!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Sadly, closed minded skeptics hate that sort of thing. He announced that nobody was going to separate him from his wife. He didn't say why. Perhaps he wanted to be sure he controlled her and whatever she might have said...who knows?
You are a freaking idiot! Are you sure you have a college degree?
As Mr. Gray says post that degree, so every one can see it!
No don;t bother! It's just a piece of paper.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Then he demanded to speak to the group. That was not part of the agenda, so he was refused. Apparently he was acting in such a way as to worry the table about what he was up to and asked where the sheriff was. At that point he(they) left and has never gotten over it. He accused people of messing with the committee reports and tried to cast doubt on whether any of the results were real.
I denanded nothing of the sort. Why do you
lie?I politely asked the man from Leoti, Wichita County, Kansas to answer a few questions.
He said, he would outside, I said, I thought this was a community Conversation and I asked why not in front of the community. And he lifted his microphone and asked. "Where is the Sheriff?" No sheriff showed up. So I turned to the audience and apologized saying I thought it was a Community Conversation and politely left. Unlike the number people that left very angry.
Here was a real outsider from Eastern Kansas, From Leoti in Washington Kansas, denying the truth, plain and simple.
I accused nobody of messing with the committee reports. Name just one person I accused?
Stop the lying. You can not get away with
lying! If you had any truths you would quote the post and everyone cold read it.
I asked for documentation Diane and there was none.
That is what cast the doubts not me. In my opinion the results were ridiculous, unlike you I will allow the people to make up their own minds.
All they have to do is go to page one of this thread and read it for themselves !
A reminder folks, we are talking less than a million dollars a year!
To even think of a YMCA is ridiculous based on our very small population. which means not enough membership to support it and then the expense of the building, and the expense of a yearly franchise. And those franchises are very expensive.
That in and of it's self is ridiculous enough, but read about the desire to control every point with in Elk County, control every community fro Howard.
The part of doing away with city councils!
Nope, the list is very genuine but where and how it was actually made is very questionable.
Because everything was done secretively!
The meeting was in the evening and the very next day everything was printed up and provided to the Kon nected Kounty Kommissioners.
I don't know why, I bother to disprove you Diane!
You have on too many occasions have been very wrong.
But as an
Elk Kon nected Follower I'm sure you feel obliged to do this garbage.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
He has never stopped trying to discredit some of those involved, even though it is now history and people have moved on. He tries to make himself sound so innocent, but I truly think he frightened some of the people there, based on later posts and PMs.
If it is in the past you would not be continuing the lies that you have posted in this post, now would you ?
Who have I discredited ?
Oh the
Kon nected Kounty Kommissioner Liz Hendricks, the owner of
Elk Konnected, LLC! I admit that, she should never have voted as a County Commissioner to award money to her own company. No ethics in that situation is there?
At a County Commissioners meeting I asked her why her organization was always asking for recreation money meant for use by the cities and receiving the money? She denied doing that.
I asked her, who was just up to the board in front of me. I said
Elk Konnected asking for money and recieving the money. Her denial was proven a lie right then and there.
I asked why she didn't do the respectable and ethical thing and recluse her self voting.
No answer was offered.
Really Diane, didn't she simply discredit herself?
So why
lie and blame me?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
I'm sure he will now have a lot to say.
Of course you are sure because you know I won't let your
lies stand.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
I won't be seeing any of it as I still have him on ignore .Even so, by reading other people's pre and post Ross posts, it's easy to figure out generally what he has said.
You only wish we would believe you have the intellect to do that? ROFLMAO
But reading this post shows that even though do read every one of my post you fail with your posts.
You are still use to dealing with grade school childern and that mentality doesn't work here.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
Let the insults fly!
Your whole post is an insult to the intellect of everyone in Elk County, Kansas!
And that's coming out of Dumbshit, Delaware!
I thought it was bad enough coming out of Colorado, but you take the cake.
Try a few questions that may strain your intelligence.
But if you choose not to we will understand it is above your Delaware IQ!
Do you have the mental ability to answer the following questions honestly?
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Would you please respond to the following that
you seem to lack the courage to do!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
Should Elk County be going
Socialists?Try to be honest!
I am anxious to read your response.
Again Ross did you intentionally misspell Howard?
Ross, get hold of your faculties. You are making a spectacle of yourself. You don't even know who you are talking to nowadays. You sound like you could blow a gasket at any minute. Calm down some. Take some long deep breaths, go for a walk.
As soon as you think you are okay, come on back.
But, before you say anything, check again and confirm with yourself who you are talking to. Then double check and tell yourself you have your head on straight, everything is okay, and you can proceed.
Quote from: proelkco on April 16, 2016, 10:44:40 AM
Ross i do not see it the same as you do on the County Commissioners giving some of the pilot money to the cities. Question answered. Please tell me if you intenionally misspelled Howard in your previous post.
I'll tell you noithing!
Because you failed to answer the questions.
Here they are again plus one.
Afraid of the truth! On the subject of
FREE MONEY !Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 10:52:11 AM
Oh, my word. Now I'm getting in "trouble" because Ross thinks I am writing as Waldo? I was just told that he has been addressing ME over something that Waldo wrote? Now that is really sad. I guess I'm going to have to take him off ignore and really let him have it.
No Diane, once again you fail to understand, you fail to comprehend!
Your College Degree is failinf you!
You see there is no difference between you and Waldo as you call hin!
Neither one of you live hear and only operate on hearsay consequently you have no clue what you are talking about.
You both fail at answering honest questions!
It must be a low IQ problem or something.
There may be one difference between the tow of you - you lie and so far I haven't caught him in a lie.
Do you have a clue, any kind of a clue, a tiny-tiny clue that gives you to answer these questions?
Would you please respond to the following that
you deniers seem to lack the courage to do so!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there?
Quote from: proelkco on April 16, 2016, 02:35:17 PM
Again Ross did you intentionally misspell Howard?
How does it feel not to get your question answered.
Calm down and respond to my questions and I will respond with a great answer to this particular question.
LOL
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
Ross, get hold of your faculties. You are making a spectacle of yourself. You don't even know who you are talking to nowadays. You sound like you could blow a gasket at any minute. Calm down some. Take some long deep breaths, go for a walk.
Much like Diane you failed to comprehend the game I played with you two.
You might as well be one person. So you get a grip, calm down and have a laugh?
It's a freebie, the laugh that is, just like FREE MONEY is to
Socialists. You can't possibly believe I take you and Diane seriously, do you?
Colorado and Delaware makes you two a laugh!
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
As soon as you think you are okay, come on back.
I have always been okay! What's your problem? LOL
Quote from: W. Gray on April 16, 2016, 04:28:53 PM
But, before you say anything, check again and confirm with yourself who you are talking to. Then double check and tell yourself you have your head on straight, everything is okay, and you can proceed.
I totally and thoroughly explained there is no difference between you two.
What is there to confirm?
Ya all are taking it all to seriously, get a grip!
Hey everyone. We can all relax. The TRUTH is finally told. Ross is just messing with everyone. Playing some
silly game. Guess that means all the nonsense he's put out here in his 5,629 posts really don't mean anything or have any validity. It's all been a big joke. He's not really some crazy old fool. Just someone who moved in and decided to see how riled up he could get everyone. What great fun he must have been having these last few years. Thanks Ross for finally fessing up. OR IS THIS JUST ANOTHER GAME OF HIS?
Quote from: ddurbin on April 16, 2016, 05:52:19 PM
Hey everyone. We can all relax. The TRUTH is finally told. Ross is just messing with everyone. Playing some
silly game. Guess that means all the nonsense he's put out here in his 5,629 posts really don't mean anything or have any validity. It's all been a big joke. He's not really some crazy old fool. Just someone who moved in and decided to see how riled up he could get everyone. What great fun he must have been having these last few years. Thanks Ross for finally fessing up. OR IS THIS JUST ANOTHER GAME OF HIS?
Another idiot that fails to comprehend.
Ya all never end do you.
I don't recall do you live in Oklahoma on the reservation or was it Texas?
I know one thing ya got no sense of humor.
The only thing settled is none ofyou Socialist Liberals will answer simple questions.
Would you give it a try?
Would you please respond to the following that
deniers seem to lack the courage to do so!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE or=blue] taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business, there is always more where that come from isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
You sure have came to play late didn't you?
LOL
His mean "game" goes back a long way. If anyone wants to take the time, go back to the beginning, April 2011 and read the first 60 or so posts. It's very interesting and telling stuff, some from posters who have sadly left the forum.There is some verbage about the business with the sheriff and / or deputies and who was and wasn't there. Shoot, he even took a poke at me... went on the attack very quickly even then.
It was a wise move then and an even wiser move now to avoid that endless list of trap questions he demands people answer like he has some special power or privilege. Weak social skills Ross, ya otter work on dem. :angel:
Thanks DD.
Dan, ignore Ross, don't you know he is always right. Ross if Elk County and almost everyone in it is so bad, why don't you move somewhere else. If this Crap keeps on Teresa and Kjell are going to shut the Form Down, AND I HOPE THEY DO. Like many of you I have not even been Reading Ross's Post. I saw this because of Dan's post.
Haven't been on in months glad too see nothing has changed . Check back in fall to see whats new. LOL
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
His mean "game" goes back a long way. If anyone wants to take the time, go back to the beginning, April 2011 and read the first 60 or so posts. It's very interesting and telling stuff, some from posters who have sadly left the forum.There is some verbage about the business with the sheriff and / or deputies and who was and wasn't there. Shoot, he even took a poke at me... went on the attack very quickly even then.
It was a wise move then and an even wiser move now to avoid that endless list of trap questions he demands people answer like he has some special power or privilege. Weak social skills Ross, ya otter work on dem. :angel:
Thanks DD.
Oh Diane you never fail me. You just don't mention how innocent you are, do you/
Oh don't mention that you know everything about everything because you have a college degree, that just wouldn't be fair. And don't forget all your experience of being a puppet of organizations?
And don't discuss all your lying and backstabbing.
My social skills in your opinion may be weak but your social skills are terrible, just a big kiss ass for organization and no ability to stand on your own two feet. How many times have you told me to organize? I bet you voted for the great organizer Obama!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 16, 2016, 06:31:36 PM
It was a wise move then and an even wiser move now to avoid that endless list of trap questions he demands people answer like he has some special power or privilege.
There is another one of your lies.
Where are the trap questions.
This shows your social skills are non existent?
Post and quote those trap questions, because if you can not you prove with out a doubt you are a chronic liar!
Please Diane don't instruct people to read only the first 60 posts, let them read the whole thing is they desire to know the truth. And if you think I am mean then there is no word to explain you.
How many times he=ave people told you off and you played the victim? When you were the victim-izer?
And it all took place long distant from Delaware. Pitiful, just pitiful. You poor abused woman.
You better jump on the ambulance and go save lives and perform open heart surgery while going down the highway at 60 mph. You will feel much better afterwards.
For someone who lies and says she doesn't read my post you sure do keep up with every word I type.
Show those trap questions I ask, quote them, if you have the guts and have the proof!
Really you just don't like the truth that's the problem, not trap questions. How stupid for supposedly an educated person. I sure am glad you were never my son's teacher!
Oh by the way your mean game goes back a lot further than mine does. LOL
Talk about calling the pot black, you take the cake?
Quote from: frawin on April 16, 2016, 07:11:34 PM
Dan, ignore Ross, don't you know he is always right. Ross if Elk County and almost everyone in it is so bad, why don't you move somewhere else. If this Crap keeps on Teresa and Kjell are going to shut the Form Down, AND I HOPE THEY DO. Like many of you I have not even been Reading Ross's Post. I saw this because of Dan's post.
Yes Dan, ignore Ross just like frawin does!
No sir, I am not always right and have admitted to my errors on this forum.
Something you have probably never done.
You are terrible to hope they shut the forum down!
Do you dislike the truth that much?
Would call the following questions offensive? If so, why?
Would you please respond to the following that
deniers seem to lack the courage to do so!
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE or=blue] taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business, there is always more where that come from isn't there?
I am anxious to read your response.
You sure have came to play late didn't you?
Does the truth really bother you people so extremely?
LOL
I UNDERSTAND oldfart YOU ARE RIGHT NOTHING HAS CHANGED. IT IS NOT GOING TO UNTIL THE HELEVANGS PUT A STOP TO YOU KNOW WHO. PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT ALL OF THE NEGATIVE CRAP HAS RUINED THE FORUM,OR AT LEAST IT HAS FOR ME. I MISS SEEING PEOPLE LIKE MY FRIEND WILMA, AND SOME OTHERS.I HAVE KNOWN TERESA FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW/KNEW HER FATHER, AND IF HE WERE HERE ON EARTH TODAY SOMEONE WOULD GET A BUTT KICKING, IF THEY CAUSED TERESA ANY PROBLEMS. GOOD NIGHT ALL SLEEP TIGHT AND SWEET DREAMS.
ROSS WHAT ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT MONEY TO THE SLAVES, WHAT DOES SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVER 100 YEARS AGO HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS. GOOD NIGHT ALL I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.
Quote from: frawin on April 16, 2016, 09:10:13 PM
ROSS WHAT ARE YOU BABBLING ABOUT MONEY TO THE SLAVES, WHAT DOES SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED OVER 100 YEARS AGO HAVE TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS. GOOD NIGHT ALL I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THIS CRAP.
Apparently you don't read so well either or keep up with current events.
There is no babbling going on from me but perhaps from you.
Recently Obama said he wanted to pay repatriation to all blacks because their ancestors may have been slaves !
The simple question was are you for this type of
socialism?
Quote from: frawin on April 16, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
I UNDERSTAND oldfart YOU ARE RIGHT NOTHING HAS CHANGED. IT IS NOT GOING TO UNTIL THE HELEVANGS PUT A STOP TO YOU KNOW WHO. PERSONALLY I FEEL THAT ALL OF THE NEGATIVE CRAP HAS RUINED THE FORUM,OR AT LEAST IT HAS FOR ME. I MISS SEEING PEOPLE LIKE MY FRIEND WILMA, AND SOME OTHERS.I HAVE KNOWN TERESA FOR A LONG TIME, AND I KNOW/KNEW HER FATHER, AND IF HE WERE HERE ON EARTH TODAY SOMEONE WOULD GET A BUTT KICKING, IF THEY CAUSED TERESA ANY PROBLEMS. GOOD NIGHT ALL SLEEP TIGHT AND SWEET DREAMS.
tI sure appears to me you are the one trying to cause Teresa problems. This post of yours is very negative and trying to order Teresa how to run her business. If you had any respect for her, you would not drag her name around in this fashon..
Perhaps you are one of those people that caused the problem.
Were you among-st the ones that called and e-mailed Theresa bitching at her to shut down this thread.
You are apparently the type if you can't control, you want to shut it down.
I have had the pleasure of meeting Teresa and believe me, you can not control her or her enterprises, she is a very strong person and quite capable of taking of herself and business. I appreciate strong women like her
Besides you have no business so rudely trying to control or knock her efforts !
She nor anyone else forces you or anyone else to make your decision to come to this thread. Grow up and stop blaming other people for your own decisions.
As of this very moment their are 15559 Topics on this forum and you are not forced to come to this one.
So quit the cry baby act !
I'm surprised she is letting you use her in this ugly fashion!
SHAME ON YOU!
Quote from: frawin on April 16, 2016, 07:11:34 PM
Dan, ignore Ross, don't you know he is always right. Ross if Elk County and almost everyone in it is so bad, why don't you move somewhere else. If this Crap keeps on Teresa and Kjell are going to shut the Form Down, AND I HOPE THEY DO. Like many of you I have not even been Reading Ross's Post. I saw this because of Dan's post.
Frawin, you're certainly entitled to your opinion just like Ross is.
You're favoring that this Forum be shut down to silence the political opinions of others - you don't like the conservative views.
Why don't you start your own Forum that can and will expel anyone who has an opinion that you don't like. You and your Progressive friends could have sweet fellowship without any interference from anyone you disagreed. (I'd like to see how that would for you).
You and the Obamites would prefer that we'd go away from this Forum. You left this Forum and then you returned. We're still here.
Good luck with your social fortunes.
There is nothing wrong with conservative views.
It happens to be that on this forum some of those views are expressed in a very uncivilized, uneducated way that really does bother gentler more principled people.
According to Ross, anyone who disagrees with him about anything has no decorum, can't read, has no deep comprehension of anything, is a liar and is stupid. He recognizes this because they are his own problems.
I really did have him on ignore for a long time. Now that I have gone back and read a lot and am shocked at how base he really is. I hadn't been reading any of it, so I don't know why he wasted his time doing that. For whose benefit was it written? Was it to somehow make points with Red, who I know has no use for me? Was it for shock value for any new members that might come along? What a welcome that would be! In the meantime, I guess he'll keep right on playing Elk County's Grim Reaper, slashing and attacking as he goes.
This thread has gone on for years, has never changed it's tune, and will keep on being Ross's own personal black hole.
I'll be trying to take a break and enjoying the beautiful weather.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
There is nothing wrong with conservative views.
That is right Diane. Score one for you!
And there is nothing wrong with asking a few honest questions that would show that conservatism.
But you label them as traps!
Why?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
It happens to be that on this forum some of those views are expressed in a very uncivilized, uneducated way that really does bother gentler more principled people.
There is nothing civil about your backstabbing and lying Diane, nothing at all.
So I give you guys a little of what you dish out and you can't handle it!
My heart bleeds purple panther piss for you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
According to Ross, anyone who disagrees with him about anything has no decorum, can't read, has no deep comprehension of anything, is a liar and is stupid. He recognizes this because they are his own problems.
No, that is according to Diane, who thinks organizations should control everything. Even your thinking!
Who continually praises them as a good little puppet.
And we hear from the unlicensed, uneducated psychiatrist, from Delaware. Are we impressed? NO!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
I really did have him on ignore for a long time. Now that I have gone back and read a lot and am shocked at how base he really is. I hadn't been reading any of it, so I don't know why he wasted his time doing that. For whose benefit was it written? Was it to somehow make points with Red, who I know has no use for me? Was it for shock value for any new members that might come along? What a welcome that would be! In the meantime, I guess he'll keep right on playing Elk County's Grim Reaper, slashing and attacking as he goes.
You are a liar plain and simple and you continue to prove so. You have never had me on ignore because of your ridiculous infatuation with me.
And you call me the grim reaper is that not name calling?
Something you are notorious for!
Something All you liberals do when you are unable to communicate.
And when you lie about
Socialism!Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
This thread has gone on for years, has never changed it's tune, and will keep on being Ross's black hole.
No ma'am Anoher one of your
lies! you simply fail to read and comprehend what has happened with this thread and through out this forum.
It was relayed here on this forum that I successfully wrote a petition and executed it, with the help of many taxpayers signatures to stop the West Elk
Kon nected School Board from raising our property taxes a potiential additional 8 mill, over and above the 4 mill they already took.
You pretended you knew something about petitions and made fun of the petition as a piece of paper that was worthless.
What was civil about that?
It was pure hatred and ugliness, that what it was.
So don't spout civility to me..I also used this forum to explain to the people why they never receive the tax breaks given by the County. And that is because West Elk
Kon nected School Board steals it by raising school property taxes.
And the truth of the cost to educated Students being $25,000.00 per year. give or take a few dollars.
It has exposed the your
Kon nected friends have wasted Hundreds of thousands of dollars.
It has exposed the lies of the School Superintendent lies whether they were intentional or simply by omission and the some of it was printed in the news paper.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:41:46 AM
I'll be trying to take a break and enjoying the beautiful weather.
So back to those questions you call traps!
Let's review and you tell me what is wrong with each?
Where is the trap in each question?
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there? But should it be
FREE MONEY ?
From a thread with no personal controversial, just look and see where the lack of comprehension wants to take it and the so called civility is taking it. The thread topic is Re: Common Core Education And More About Federal Government Control
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 07:57:58 AM
It was never intended that all students should go to college until college became a big business in the last 30 or so years. Only the top academic section my own high school took totally academic courses, including languages and advanced math.The kids in the commercial track took tough business and management courses, the industrial arts kids took more advanced shop classes and applied math. Our Aggies took some of each, including animal husbandry and business courses. Some overlap existed of course, such as English and history. Art and music were shared by all too. The kids who were border line retarded were in "special"or general classes. They usually went on to work in the local flower or mushroom industry.
Quote from: ROSS on April 17, 2016, 10:03:43 AM
It is not all about going to college Diane.
The article is about much more than just going to college.
Try re-reading! And read about lack the knowledge and skills needed to be successful for life beyond high school.
Try re-reading! And read about how even students said set higher academic standards.
Not everything has to be about college only.
Quote from: ROSS on April 17, 2016, 10:28:58 AM
You really have a problem with telling people what they want don't you?
You don't have a clue about my life or my wants, desires or any thing else.
The articles on this thread are not about you or me or Diane.
.
I place the articles here for others to enjoy or use or think about of totally ignore
It is for those folks to make up their own minds as to the vlue of the article.
For your personal information, I have had a very successful and long life.
For 70 years i have faced plenty of adversity and managed through and I was succeful in my career choices.
And College was never one of my choices.
I have had and still have friends across the US of A and in other countries.
I have had my fair share of world travel and city living.
I have no regrets.
Let's not make this thread personally controversial!
Let's leave this thread for other people to do their own thinking.
Thank you!
And immediately he continues, just trying to agitate trying to make that thread personal!
Civility my ass.
Diane where is yourcivility speech to Gray!
Oh, you are doing the samething, thinking the post was all about you, So you try to make it personal as well.
Quote from: W. Gray on April 17, 2016, 10:35:03 AM
Tell us some more about yourself.
Do you have a high school diploma?
;D ;D ;D ;D As always, the true attack dog personality shows.
Again calling me a liar.If I never had you on ignore, how could I have just taken you off and gone back to read a lot of the really nasty things you said to me. Why didn't I bust your....'s at the time you posted them. HUH? We all know who the real liar is. I'm totally disgusted and have better things to do.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D As always, the true attack dog personality shows.
Again calling me a liar.
THE TRUTH HURTS.
Attack dog, not hardly. you were given that name way before I came on the forum.
You have been called on the carpet for it long before I came on the forum.
Weren't you even removed from the forum fora period of time?
Now about those trap questions you refuse to answer. Why is that?
Where are the traps?
Are the traps quicksand or what.
Do you believe the Government should should be giving away
FREE MONEY ?How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them
FREE MONEY ?How about
FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for
illegal immigrants?
How about
FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for
illegal immigrants?
It's all just
taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there? But should it be
FREE MONEY ?[/quote]
Try real hard to be truthful with your answers. They are not trick questions.
What a liar. >:( >:( >:( >:( NO, I've never been removed from the forum or anywhere else. How dare you even suggest such a thing. Slander! It's you who should be taking a long break for your mental health.
I told you several years ago my being nice no matter what wasn't working. I even formally asked that the name calling and labeling stop. I even ran out of cheeks to turn. I even gave a warning that I had had enough. I started giving in kind. ( This has all been told before and must be boring to those who already know how you are.)
I just have to assume it's plain old green eyed jealousy that makes you the way you are. Others have what you will never have, and you want us all to share in your misery.
As far as your lists and lists of questions, any answer given would lead to a criticism and another question, there is no end and most of us have seen through it. Find someone new to bother, you've worn everyone else out.
Nobody owes you any answers for any reason.You may not and cannot imply ,infer or even guess what non answers mean.
Just ask those questions of yourself, if you want answers so much. You have all the acceptable answers already, just ask anybody.They all know how you feel about your favorite subjects, just leave it at that.
Refusing to kneel in front of you, oh Lord and Master, and answer your loaded questions has never been a sin.
Why don't you and Red go start your own forum for only those people who are cookie cutters of yourselves? There are a few who would be happy to join and you can all sit around in your special uniforms and talk about the rest of us....who won't give a rat's patoot.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 11:20:12 AM
;D ;D ;D ;D As always, the true attack dog personality shows.
Again calling me a liar.If I never had you on ignore, how could I have just taken you off and gone back to read a lot of the really nasty things you said to me. Why didn't I bust your....'s at the time you posted them. HUH? We all know who the real liar is. I'm totally disgusted and have better things to do.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
Your own son doesn't have much longer to go before he can quit. I wonder what will become of him. Finish school? According to you that "piece of paper" is worth nothing. Military? AHA! Grab that free taxpayer paid eduation! More schooling? Why? According to you he probably won't be ready to do anything right out of high school.
Quote from: ROSS on April 17, 2016, 07:10:01 PM
You are such a sorry ass rude bitch!
No, I won't be civil with that nasty attitude.
Where is the civility in trashing my son.
You even just trashed Veterans.
Was this your attitude while teaching?
I said many times on your posts,I was glad you were never my childs teacher and I mean that more today, more than ever before.
You preach civility but have no clue what it means.
Your degree sure is failing you.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 03:59:21 PM
What a liar. >:( >:( >:( >:( NO, I've never been removed from the forum or anywhere else. How dare you even suggest such a thing. Slander! It's you who should be taking a long break for your mental health.
I told you several years ago being my being nice no matter what wasn't working. I even formally asked that the name calling and labeling stop. I even ran out of cheeks to turn. I even gave a warning that I had had enough. I started giving in kind. ( This has all been told before and must be boring to those who already know how you are.)
I just have to assume it's plain old green eyed jealousy that makes you the way you are. Others have what you will never have, and you want us all to share in your misery.
As far as your lists and lists of questions, any answer given would lead to a criticism and another question, there is no end and most of us have seen through it. Find someone new to bother, you've worn everyone else out.
Nobody owes you any answers for any reason.You may not and cannot imply ,infer or even guess what non answers mean.
Just ask those questions of yourself, if you want answers so much. You have all the acceptable answers already, just ask anybody.They all know how you feel about your favorite subjects, just leave it at that.
Refusing to kneel in front of you, oh Lord and Master, and answer your loaded questions has never been a sin.
Why don't you and Red go start your own forum for only those people who are cookie cutters of yourselves? There are a few who would be happy to join and you can all sit around in your special uniforms and talk about the rest of us....who won't give a rat's patoot.
You are good at writing fantasy!
I just exposed you for what you truly are it the post above this one.
Should government be giving away FREE MONEY ?
How about thousands and thousands to all the blacks in the country as repatriation because they may be descendants of slaves? Should we give them FREE MONEY ?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of benefits for illegal immigrants?
How about FREE MONEY in the form of free furnished apartments for illegal immigrants?
It's all just taxpayer dollars collected by Government to take care of their business and there is always more isn't there? But should it be FREE MONEY ?
It was over 100 years ago for sure and it has a lot to do with what is going on these days.
It was the Republicans who changed this country in 1865 and the father of our new country is Abraham Lincoln. Republicans and Obamites agree on Lincoln. Lincoln was a tyrant and the Republicans and reconstructed Democrats worship him.
Are you a Lincoln man or not?
Yeah Ross, answer Red's question.HA!
Ross I'm not trashing your son.You are by trash talking the education most kids get.You are the one who posts that some aren't ready to do anything just out of school..ya never post any answers though, just gripes.Useless!
I'm retired and have no plan to work again, so your nasty comments to me mean nothing.
Notice I'm not suggesting you were crappy at your jobs...couldn't keep one, couldn't get along with anyone, were "smarter" than your boss...that's your area.
I've had my say, have read all the crap you posted that I'd missed and am not surprised at any of it.Now go away.There is nothing left to say.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:50:08 AM
How often are you going to post this? Ya have to take two shots at me? That's really funny. You..Be Civil? HA!
See how untruths hurt? See what it's like to be on the receiving end? Not fun is it? Now just try to prove them wrong. A dose of your own medicine, as one might say.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 17, 2016, 05:56:21 PM
Your own son doesn't have much longer to go before he can quit. I wonder what will become of him. Finish school? According to you that "piece of paper" is worth nothing. Military? AHA! Grab that free taxpayer paid eduation! More schooling? Why? According to you he probably won't be ready to do anything right out of high school.
I repeat you are a lying nasty bitch and you can not make light of it.
You
trashed my son!
You
trashed every military veteran!
You
trashed our country's Military!
You have shown your true self very well as alying liberal socialist bitch and that is the truth.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
Yeah Ross, answer Red's question.HA!
I have no reason to answer Red's question.
But there you go changing the subject!
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
Ross I'm not trashing your son.You are by trash talking the education most kids get.You are the one who posts that some aren't ready to do anything just out of school..ya never post any answers though, just gripes.Useless!
I posted an article it was not my own words and I need not provide answers to the article.
Quote the gripe I posted ! You can not because I did not post a gripe. But you just posted another lie by making the accusation. I have not trashed the school system. It was not me that said the schools educational standards are poor! The article stated that even the school children say the educational standards are bad. I didn't say it.
The whole point of the posts on the thread about school, is to provide information for others to read and be aware what is happening.
Nothing more.
I'm not trying to influence them.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
I'm retired and have no plan to work again, so your nasty comments to me mean nothing.
Truthgul comments is what you mean !
But you put a terrific twist on it.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
Notice I'm not suggesting you were crappy at your jobs...couldn't keep one, couldn't get along with anyone, were "smarter" than your boss...that's your area.
You are a complete idiot !
Read what you just insinuated !
Do you really think every one on this forum is stupid ?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on April 18, 2016, 08:27:54 AM
I've had my say, have read all the crap you posted that I'd missed and am not surprised at any of it.Now go away.There is nothing left to say.
Dearie, I am going no where as long as your people of
Elk Kon nected continue controlling our county is their
Socialistic manner. As long as they are wasting taxpayer money. As long as they are giving away taxpayer money as
FREE SOCIALISTIC MONEY !I live here, I pay property taxes here, I vote here!
YOU DON'T !You live somewhere in Delaware !
So who should go away ?
You are always the victim.
"MY" people of EK? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. How can that be If I don't live, vote or pay taxes here any longer? It must be that past history still has value, huh.
Stupid people on the forum? If they take you for any worth, then I'd say so. Then there are the instigators who urge you on. Aren't they special? And the folks you have annoyed the heck out of. They talk, ya know?
I have certainly never heard you DISAGREE with anyone whose articles you have posted, therefore you must agree with them, right?
Just keep on slingin', I might choose to sling right back even more...or maybe not. That depends on you. How about backing off? You wasted a lot of ugly posts when I wasn't even reading them. I doubt the administrators were very impressed with you.
These should explain the
Trap of Questions as they were labeled as by a LIBERAL SOCIALIST!
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WRONG IS WRONG!
SOCIALISM IS WRONG!
USING SOCIALISM TO BUY VOTES IS WRONG!
Again Ross, Elk Konnected has gone away. It has not been together for at least a year. And yes I am sure of this fact so please let it alone. Have a good day everyone.
Quote from: proelkco on April 18, 2016, 03:38:34 PM
Again Ross, Elk Konnected has gone away. It has not been together for at least a year. And yes I am sure of this fact so please let it alone. Have a good day everyone.
How can you be so sure?
Are you saying Elk Konnected, LLC failed?
Show some proof, please !
If it is non existent as you allude to
then no one should be concerned
with me discussing a ghost!
It appears
Elk Konnected may have let their Kansas Business LLC expire but that does not mean it does not still exist as a private little club, now does it?
Public Squares Communities, Inc continues to claim Elk Konnected as a community at http://publicsquarecommunities.com/communities/
Again I ask, if it is non-existent and I am talking about a ghost, what's the big deal!
Perhaps I should refer to the
"Old Guard" that
Elk Kon nected referenced when they first got started?
I just stumbled upon some very good advice
It is very tough advice to follow
But I shall try very hard to follow it !
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About that Partial Distribution of Wind Farm Income, what they are talking about is Distribution of Money in the County Coffers not Wind farm money. In other words giving away FREE MONEY the County has no need for! A very simple form of Socialism !
The County Commissioners said they were going to write a Resolution to support the action of giving away $100,000.00.
Well the only resolution I have seen as of the present time does not appear to authorizing such action.
However, it does offer assistance for emergency fire fighting services only. And in my opinion every dollar should be accounted for by requests in front of the County Commissioners Board and supported by receipts of purchases with that money after the purchase.
You can read the resolution at:
https://app.box.com/files/0/f/0/1/f_63404333741
I do not see where this authorizes the Distribution of $100,000.00 for any reason what-so-ever.
Unless there is another resolution that states giving away $100,000.00 I don't see where they have any legitimate reason to do so. It would only represent "Socialism" in my opinion !
If the county has no need for tax dollars, I would appreciate it if they returned Ross's money, really Ross's Tax Dollars.
I do understand this is not what Socialists want to hear and that this is not a popular stance, but when you take money from one person and give it to another person that is "Socialism" plain and simple !
I'm pretty certain that none of you folks approve of Obama's plan to pay what he calls repatriation to every black person in the US because of the slavery days with taxpayers dollars. That is simply "Socialism" as well !
Good Night All
West Elk USD-282 School Board and School Superintendent are at it again.
Remember last fall they attempted to pull a fast on on the property owners and taxpayers by slipping a Resolution by us in the Ad's section of the newspaper to raise our taxes. Remember that?
We stopped them with an opposition petition !
Remember they stated they voted to only take
1 mill of the
8 mill in the Resolution attempting to get me to stop with the petition ! Their attempt failed to "dissuade" me from my task of collecting the signatures provided by you the voters and property taxpayers.
Well to prove they were lying when they said, they voted to only take 1 mill, they are back with their Resolution for 8 mill.
Mind you on the front page of the newspaper
the School Superintendent says 4 mill, but the Resolution in the Ad's Section says 8 mill. You can bet they will take the 8 mill.They just raised our property taxes
4 mill this last fall and that is not enough ! Why not?
And I can almost guarantee you they will raise property taxes again this coming fall, yet another
4 mill.
It's time for another Opposition Petition to stop this foolishness.
It's going to take me a little time for me to get started on it because, I have a lot of work and personal business to tend to.
I have the old petition and perhaps all I have to do is change the dates. But I also have to check the resolution word for word against the new resolution in this weeks newspaper to insure not one single word has been changed. A changed word may nullify the petition.
The School Board and the School Superintendent have wasted 100's of thousands of dollars fighting the taxpayers and it is time they get smart and stop wasting money and stop lying to the taxpayers !
They don;t care how many of the elderly in Elk County do without so they can pay their property taxes and they keep proving it. Some of the elderly do without medications because of the elevated property taxes.
The County gives property owners in the West Elk School District the same taax break as everyone else in Elk County but West Elk immediately raise their taxes on property owners and takes that tax break away.
They really do not care.
I do, I care !
I am fortunate, I happen to believe, I have the very best health insurance in the country and do not have to do without. It is very expensive but well worth the money. I wish all the elderly in Elk County were as fortunate,
But they are not and I will do my bet to help them by doing another Opposition Petition and I am praying the voters and property owners and taxpayers will help by signing the petition.
Good Morning Everyone,
An update on the Opposition Petition to the West Elk School Board and School Superintendent's Resolution
in the weeks local Newspaper.
I have written the Opposition Petition and sent it off to the the County Counselor as required by law.
It won't be long and myself and maybe a few volunteers will be out collecting signatures.
The only acceptable signatures are of registered voters in the West Elk 282 School District !
I appreciate all those that signed the similar petition last fall and hope you will sign again.
This would not be necessary if the School Superintendent and the School Board had the common sense
to accept "NO" for an answer !
But as the past has shown they lack that common sense !
How many times were they told no, don't shut down our grade schools ?
How many times were the told no, no new school building or construction?
What they need to learn to do is operate with-in their budget instead of performing
arrogantly ignorant and wasteful sending !
Was it an emergency to pay $7,000.00 and then fire the best man in the county for the job and hire an outside company for $25,000.00 to crown the football field ?
Was it an emergency to put in under ground sprinkler systems on the sports fields at what $10,000.00 or
possibly $15,000.00 ? I really don't know how much they paid for the sprinkler system. If i get time i'll do a Freedom of Information Act request to acquire that information.
Mr. Moore still sings the old song about the West Elk School's Financing that i have shown to be untrue.
Presently the finances's received by West Elk is $25,000.00 dollars for each student. This is the highest amount of funding in the State of Kansas.
And as Mr. Moore pointed out in the newspaper, West Elk raised our taxes by 4 mill this last fall.
And they have been doing so every year without justification to the voters and property owners.
He did not mention being told no on the same resolution last fall.
YOUR WALLET IS THEIR WALLET
YOUR BANK ACCOUNT IS THEIR BANK ACCOUNT !
AND THEY DON'T EVEN ASK YOUR PERMISSION TO TAKE YOUR MONEY !
THEY SIMPLY DEMAND AND TAKE YOUR MONEY !
You can sign the petition once again and tell them you are the boss and they can keep their hand out of your wallet.
By doing so you are instruction them to be professional in their jobs and have discussions about what they are doing before taking actions and voting on the action?
By doing so you are instruction them to operate with-in their budget !
By doing so you are instruction them to operate more efficiently and effectively !
By doing so you are instruction them to operate without throwing money away foolishly !
Together we can get these problems corrected !
Please sign the Opposition Petition when someone comes around !
We were successful last fall and can be successful this time !
GIVE YOURSELF A BREAK,
YOU DESERVE IT,
SIGN THE OPPOSITION PETITION,
DO IT FOR YOURSELF !
So did you read the USD-282 School Superintendent Moore's letter to the editor ?He says if you listen to anyone else but him they are lying to you in a very polite and Politically Correct manner.
Well I am not so polite and i have never been Politically Correct and I assure you I am not a liar.
So Mr. Moore you and your lies can go sit on it.I totally recognize Mr. Moore's intellect and his abilities to manipulate the School Board.
He sit on the Board which is suppose to be only the Elected Board Members.
He sit's at the Elbow of the School Board Presidents elbow and he does an excellent job of manipulation.
None of the Board members have the intellect to know they are being manipulated and they seldom have open discussions amongst themselves. As Mr. Moore once told me it takes years to train new board members. To me that is saying the board members are incapable of educating themselves about what their duties really are. That information and education is readily available on the Kansas Board of Education web site.
Mr. Moore letter fails to mention the waste of hundreds of thousands of dollars persuing the voters to build a new school building and the extensions. He would not explain why they refused to accept a "NO" from the voters. He also does not tell about why the Air-conditioning cost $1,476,000 does he. They were advised several years earlier by KU to get the Air-conditioning done when it was able to be done for under $100,00000.00. He also does not explain that they could have contracted to get half done this year and half next year does he?
He is still sing that old song about the budget change saying no one but
him can understand it.
You make up your own mind ! Is Mr. Moore the only one that can understand the following numbers:
These are the state funding numbers for West Elk.
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD痴 general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
-Ian Fury
Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the GovernorTake a little trip to the following Kansas Department of Education web site and learn with their interactive program. Mr. Moore won't share this opportunity with you, but I will.
http://cpfs.ksde.org/chart_tool.aspx
Quote from: ROSS on March 29, 2016, 08:45:49 AM
Do we need Higher Property Tax Rates for West Elk
OR
Do We need a More Efficient Administration
And
School Board that pays Attention
To Efficiency
?
This is probably information West Elk USD 282 would probably prefer you don't know.
Remember the Superintendent said it cost something like $8,000 per student?
I was guessing more like $13,000, boy was I wrong ! But then I don't have acccess to all the school's financial books.
There will most likely be excuses made for the lack of efficiency and it should be expected.
2014-15 AMOUNT PER PUPIL 1000-2100-2200 SERIES COMBINED COSTS
Low to High with Cooperative Districts Highlighted -- taken from KSDE SF16-010
(If it was high to low
We would be Number ONE in the State
instead of last on the list)
No. of 2014-15 2014-15
Students Expenditures Amount
All Funds Per Pupil
D0282 West Elk Elk 318.8 5,599,644 17,565
D0113 Prairie Hills Nemaha 1,092.5 8,135,085 7,446
D0446 Independence Montgomery 1,950.2 13,902,973 7,129
D0392 Osborne County 287.6 2,356,396 8,193
D0460 Hesston 803.3 5,668,020 7,056
D0381 Spearville 340.8 2,483,670 7,288
You can verify this information by going to: http://kslegislature.org/li/b2015_16/committees/ctte_spc_2015_special_committee_on_k12_student_s_1/documents/testimony/20151110_04.pdf
All School Districts in Kansas are listed in this PDF form.
Please go to http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.msg228995.html#msg228995 for a better reading of the above quote !
Be sure to read the letter from Senator Steve Abrams on page 3 of this weeks news paper. !
You decide who is lying !
You decide if you want your wallet open for them to take whatever they want to take, when ever they want to take it !
They just raised your property taxes 4 mill this last fall and asked for another 8 mil in a resolution which you chose to shoot down by signing a petition.
They are doing the very same thing right now. Superintendent Moore and the school Board are using someone else Resolution for 8 mill not the 4 mill he claims they are asking for ! Read the Resolution in the want adds for yourself, it says 8 mill, just like last time. If they wanted 4 mill that is what would be in the resolution not 8 mill.
The Resolution states they need money to pay for housing and board pupils enrolled in n area vocational school operated under the board ! Folks there is no such thing at West Elk USD282 ! This is a blatant lie.
Call the Superintendent and ask, Call any school Board Member and ask !
I can tell you the answer right now. Mr. Moore told me last fall when i questioned him about this statement and he said they use to provide that function years ago, but no kids are doing it today. The resolution is just a standard form.
The actual truth, yes the Resolution was developed for some school and everyone is simply copying it. It should only be used as a guide to create their own Resolution. Are they to dumb to know that, are they to lazy to write on that pertains specifically to West Elk? The answer is no. This prefabricated Resolution is used to confuse you the voter, so you won't question their actions. You see that had to re-write the top section of the resolution to be West Elk Specific and the dates of publication in the newspaper to make it legal.
So really who is lying to you ?
I am betting they will raise our property taxes again in the fall before legislation on the November Ballot to reduce the yearly 4 mill increases are reduced to cost of living and forcing them to come to the voters for any additional mill levy.
Do you want to give them 8 mill via the resolution to day and another 4 mill in the fall?
I may or someone else may approach you about signing a petition as Mr. Moore full expects and has told you not to believe us. We will not be prodding any one to sign, we will only ask if you say no, that's it, nothing more. If you decide to consider signing or are sure you want to sign, we will ask you to read the petition and the Resolution which is part of the Opposition Petition.
The only requirement to sign is to be a registered voter that lives with in the West Elk USD-282 District. And we will take your word for it. No ID required. The Elk County Clerk and County Election Officer will verify each and every signature against the Registered Voters List for the West Elk School District.
Discuss this issue with your friends, family, neighbors. Have you had enough taxation ?
I only ask that you think for yourself !
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Mr. Moore didn't tell you this, did he?
Quote from: ROSS on April 04, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
Funding Facts For Teachers
As teachers, we need to be more activw in attaining information and questioning selective data provided to us. As teachers, we impart to our students how important it is to think critically. We should do the same with school funding,.
Don't take anything at face value.
Ask questions. Demand answers.
Knowledge is Power!
Isn't just for kids.
https://kansaspolicy.org/teachers-guide-education-funding/
Shouldn't the above information apply to tax payers as well?
The deeper I dig the worse it sounds, but there may be some relief for property owner taxpayers in the new HB 2741 if it passes.
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Funding Per Pupil Database
Per-pupil funding from taxpayers at the state, federal and local levels. State-mandated 20 mills of property tax for school support had been erroneously reflected as Local aid until it was corrected by the Legislature in 2015; on average, the 2015 transition increased State aid and decreased Local aid by roughly $1,200 per pupil.
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 282 West Elk Elk $12,182 $5,271 $7,597 $25,049
Apparently the $17,565 I posted earlier did not include the $7,597 dollars per child from local property taxes.[/b]
Check it out at: http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
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KANSAS LEGISLATURE INTRODUCES TRANSFORMATIVE NEW SCHOOL FUNDING SYSTEM
Dave TrabertMarch 29, 2016Education
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To the surprise of many legislative observers, a brand new school finance system was proposed last week in House Appropriations with an effective date of July 1, 2017. The unique approach set forth in HB 2741 includes a new method of equalizing capital outlay aid and eliminates the need for Local Option Budget equalization by providing all funding needed to meet the adequacy test through the state budget.
The new system retains some elements from the old system but it is largely a new approach that seems reasonable calculated to give school districts the funding needed to meet expected outcomes while requiring more efficient use of taxpayers' money, which is the Supreme Court's constitutional test on adequacy. It is not the Court's role to determine the actual amount of funding, but as they specified in Gannon, to determine whether the funding provided is "...reasonably calculated to have all Kansas public education students meet or exceed the standards set out in Rose and presently codified in K.S.A. 2013 Supp. 72-1127." The test is whether funding is reasonably calculated (how the Legislature arrived at the decision) rather than whether they selected a particular level of funding.
The plan is also much easier to understand than the old byzantine formula and should dramatically streamline the budgeting process as well as providing a great deal more predictability to local school boards.
Taxpayers should appreciate the first-ever efficiency requirements built in to the plan; our recent statewide market search study found that 88 percent of Kansans believe local school boards should make efficient use of taxpayer money and 73 percent believe there should be some efficiency requirements included in a school funding formula. But there will also likely be considerable pushback on this plan since it's not the 'blank check' that some would like to see provided.
Read much more at: https://kansaspolicy.org/kansas-legislature-introduces-transformative-new-school-funding-system/
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Quote from: ROSS on April 04, 2016, 06:58:42 PM
Funding Per Pupil Database
Per-pupil funding from taxpayers at the state, federal and local levels. State-mandated 20 mills of property tax for school support had been erroneously reflected as Local aid until it was corrected by the Legislature in 2015; on average, the 2015 transition increased State aid and decreased Local aid by roughly $1,200 per pupil.
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 282 West Elk Elk $12,182 $5,271 $7,597 $25,049
Apparently the $17,565 I posted earlier did not include the $7,597 dollars per child from local property taxes.[/b]
Check it out at: http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
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Read much more at: https://kansaspolicy.org/kansas-legislature-introduces-transformative-new-school-funding-system/
What in the world does this have to do with Elk Konnected?
Quote from: proelkco on May 06, 2016, 01:52:02 PM
What in the world does this have to do with Elk Konnected?
Well proelkco since you seem to have trouble following the thread, I'll do my best to try to clear it up for you, Okay.
At the very beginning of
Elk Kon nected claimed to be weeding out the people she knew were associated
with the "Old Guard" !
Now based on all the non-answers from
Elk Kon nected and their secretiveness in their organization I find
it very simple to determine that E
lk Kon nected is in fact the
"Old Guard" in a new dress. That is my opinion
and until proven otherwise it will remain my opinion.
Also since some of the people that were associated with
Elk Kon nected have served as county commissioners and school board members and declared to be
Elk Kon nected,From that point it is easy to assume that the some of the so-called elite of this county are also a part of the
"Old Guard" !
And that to is my opinion !
I sure hope that is as clear as mud for you.
The puzzle is not really difficult to put together is it?
I am entitled to my opinion, thank you!
And I do believe most common people fully understand the concept!
I am beginning to believe that
Elk Kon nected, LLC and
Public Squares Communities, INC, have become extinct as failures, but i don't have any proof of that!
Have yourself a happy evening.
I borrowed the following from a recent article and although taken out of context they portray a lot of information.
Specifically that the common person is waking up, that is as it should be.
The common people are being lied to and are learning the truth through proper sources on the internet.
Such as the amounts of money provided to West Elk USD from the State.
Here are those tid-bits of information:
We predicted that a public awakening would lead directly to a conflict with elite trends and intentions.
Are Western elites going to have to take a step back?
The ultimate solution to what has occurred in the 20th and now 21st century will evolve from individual action and people literally find new ways of addressing and rejecting elite control.
By 2018 the composition of Congress will look very different, the aisles strewn with Little Trumps replacing failures in both parties.
Ad all of this is happening on the local levels as well. The common folk are tired of being ignored and abused financially !
The so-called elite need to pay heed.
I have the Opposition Petition to the West Elk USD-282 Resolution that states an 8 mill increase in property taxes,
pretty much ready to go!
It may take 5 to 7 days to get started collecting signatures of registered voters in the West Elk USD-282 voting area.
And quite contrary to what Superintendent Moore's stated in the news paper about petitioners not understanding
the finances involved, we do understand ! We pay the property taxes.
We understand they have been raising our property taxes by 4 mill every year.
They just raised our property taxes by 4 mill this last fall.
And you can bet they will again this coming fall.
We plan to have documentation with us, for you to read about the financing of West Elk, when we ask you to sign the petition!
I say we because this time i will have a few volunteers to help collect signatures.
I was approached, and asked if i could use some help !
I said definitely and I would appreciate all the hep I can get.1
I really appreciate the fact that people are willing to help property owners and taxpayers in this fashion.
Please discuss these continuous tax hikes by the West Elk School Board !
Just a little reminder of what I posted about a year ago.
The President of the School Board stated during a Board Meeting that he does not care how mad the taxpayers get !
I hope to bee in touch with some of you fine people over the next few weeks.
Okay, I'm gonna come clean.
It sure has seemed like West Elk has been raising our property taxes every year, well I was wrong!
And because the School Superintendent at School Board meetings has repeatedly said they were limited
to raising our taxes legally only by 4 mill each year, I believed that too!
It seemed like every meeting I attended they spoke of raising property taxes, at any rate the subject
was broached numerous times.
I never ever heard them discuss operating more efficiently and effectively !
Here i am listing the tax increases of West Elk USD-282 for the last 10 years!
These were acquired by submitting a Freedom of Information Act form with the Elk County via the County Clerk.
I wanted to know the truth!
USD 282 TAX LEVIES PREV. YR YEAR CHANGE
2006 37.385 26.176 -1.209
2007 36.176 43.955 7.779
2008 43.955 50.687 6.732
2009 50.687 54.195 3.508
2010 54.195 49.7167 -4.4783
2011 49.7167 48.338 -1.3787
2012 48.338 46.491 -1.847
2013 46.491 47.06 0.569
2014 47.06 45.893 -1.167
2015 45.893 52.277 6.377
They raised our property taxes last fall by 6.37
not the 4 mill often referred to by the Superintendent as the prescribed legal limit !
In a civil society is where elected officials should honor their fiduciary responsibility to provide
the same or better quality service at the best possible price. And I don't feel we have this in our school board.
Why?
The school board shut down two schools on the pretense of saving money !
And then:
Time after time they spent thousands upon thousands on contractors and architects thinking they could force the
voters to accept a multi-million dollar bond issue and raise our property taxes, even though they knew the people
had, had enough! They blew some where in the neighborhood of $300,000 that way.
They follow that up by putting off repairing the roof and replacing the A.C's even though being advised by those
high paid contractors and architects advised them that construction prices were going to go through the roof.
Had they listened the roof and A/C's could have been done for $1,000,000,000 versus the $1,500,000,000.
Then instead of keeping their verbal contract with a local man to professionalize the football field for a mere
$7,000 they told him to remove his many,many truck loads of dirt from the football field and they
hired a contractor outside of Elk County to do the same job for some where between $25,000 AND $30,000 !
I think it is time for the School Board Members to start considering their fiduciary responsibility to the
taxpayers and the school children and start thinking about improving educational standards.
Do any of the school board members even know whether, sight reading or phonics or if both reading
skills are taught ?
There is an Opposition Petition that will soon be making the rounds!
It's totally up to you is you want your property taxes to continue to rise and accept the waste of your money
by a school board that wastes money.
You must be a registered voter in the West Elk School District to sign the petition, that is all that is required.
We will not be asking for proof of registration, we will take your word that you are a registered voter.
The list will be checked by the County Clerk against the Court House records. Non-registered voters will be
scratch from the count. No harm done.
As I said in an earlier post I received a call about a few people wanting to help me this time.
And it was suggested to ask if anyone in the Severy area would like to volunteer to collect signatures
in the Severy area. I like the idea.
If anyone is interested in helping please Private Message me.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.
Mr. Moore is sticking to his story that the State of Kansas shorted West Elk USD-282 on their state aid !
Well when he first started that story the last time they were asking for 8 mill on a resolution last fall, I contacted the state
about the situation.
I received the following information in an e-mail and forwarded it to the Prairie Star for publication and it was published.
-------Original Message-------
From: Prairie Star
Date: 09/14/15 16:39:26
To: Ross
Subject: Re: West Elk USD-282 State Funding
Yes, this is how I have it prepared for publication:
Editor's Note: The following was submitted by L.W. Ross of Moline. It is in response to an inquiry he made to the Kansas Office of the Governor regarding a letter published in the Prairie Star on Sept. 9 from West Elk USD 282 Superintendent Bert Moore. This is the response from the Governor's office.
Mr. Ross, I'm happy to respond to your inquiry. These are the state funding numbers for West Elk.
USD 282-West Elk received a $259,033 increase in the first year of the block grant (14-15) and a $351,570 increase over the life of the block grant (3 years.) Of this $351,570, only $64,052 is an increase to KPERS. That means that only 18.2% of the total increase is in KPERS. If the school board claims that the increase is only to KPERS, then they are ignoring 82% of the new money we are giving them.
Teacher pensions are a legitimate education expense, so we are creating greater transparency in school funding. However, in order to prevent schools from using teacher pension dollars for operating costs, the money is routed to a separate KPERS account shortly after it arrives in the USD general fund. This way, we can show with greater transparency the total level of support that the state is giving to the district, but we also can make sure that KPERS dollars are used for KPERS.
Ian Fury, Policy Analyst
Kansas Office of the Governor
Ian.Fury@ks.gov
Thanks!
Jenny
Jenny Diveley, editor
Prairie Star
620-330-7828 (cell)
I believe what Mr, Moore is most likely covering for is over spending the budget and not wanting to disclose that information.
$25 to $30,000.00 for the football and God only knows hao many $10;s of thousands for sprinkler system.
And other poor financial decisions.
They can budget to make up for those over expenditures without raising our property taxes again.
Yes, they just raised our property taxes by 6.377 mill this last fall. which should cover that over spending real well.
They need to understand why they have a budget in my opinion and they won't as long as they have your wallet to pick.
Ask Mr. Moore to have the finances of the West Elk School District posted on the School's Web Site and see how willing he is to be transparent?
It is a public school and that information is public information !
You should not have to submit a Freedom of Information Act Form to know what they are spending your money on !
Per-pupil funding from taxpayers at the state, federal and local levels. State-mandated 20 mills of property tax for school support had been erroneously reflected as Local aid until it was corrected by the Legislature in 2015; on average, the 2015 transition increased State aid and decreased Local aid by roughly $1,200 per pupil.
Local = Property Tax.
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 282 West Elk Elk $12,182 $5,271 $7,597 $25,050 per pupil per year.
From Web site:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
You can go and compare this information against any schools in Kansas at:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank
I was handed a couple of pages of paper and was told it pertained to Kansas school funding.
I didn't get around to reading it until an hour later.
I will not disclose where I got the paper from but I was told it was just sent out today
and I assume a few school administrators received it by e-mail today.
There is nothing mentioned about dollar amounts that any district receives, it just how money
and accounts are manipulated by the state government in a deceptive manner.
What I base my decisions on are not about the manipulation of money and accounts, but what I
see as wasteful spending locally and poor management and poor planning of the use of school funds.
And the fact that financing and budget of the school which is public information is kept secret from the taxpayers.
Last fall Mr. Moore told us the school board had no intent of taking the 8 mill in the Resolution that
was stopped by an Opposition Petition. He in fact made it a point to state that the board voted to only take 1 mill of it.
Talk is cheap, it is the amount in the Resolution that counts. Sure they voted to take only one mill BUT
there was absolutely nothing to keep them from voting again to take more, nothing at all. It's all politics and
smoke and mirrors. And Mr, Moore has proved exactly that by stating on the front page of the paper
for this present resolution that they only want 4 mill with this present Resolution, while the present Resolution
states they are asking for 8 mill. It's politics as usual ! Why write a Resolution for 8 mill if all you truly ant is 4 mill?
If you want to write a check to someone for $400 you don't write it for $800 do you and say just take only $400, do you?
After spending ungodly amounts of money on building a professional football field for a dinky little school now they
want to replace the track and rebuild the pole vault area.
I for one am tired of getting my wallet robbed ! And I know there are many, older people than myself in this county that have
been on a fixed income much longer than i have. By that i mean their fixed income is much lower than mine.
Which means that the School Superintendent that is making in excess of $100,000.00 a year does not understand the burden
he is imposing on the elderly and probably does not care. It's just politics and their bank accounts are open to the school board.
Any way here is the letter I was referring to at the beginning of this post:
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I have also uploaded a copy of this letter in PDF form to my box.com account for those that prefer to read it that way or download to your computer.
simply click this link: https://app.box.com/s/6u3vz2pc20hqauetgioefjmvx7g8vivc[/color]
I am not with holding any information I come across, but it is up to you to decide which politician or local or state politician or employee to believe.
Personally I chose to believe to much of our tax dollars are being wasted through incompetence. That is why I drew up and ran an Opposition Petition last fall
and why I am working on another Opposition Petition this time.
Just remember how many times the school board hounded us about multi-million dollar bond issues. And remember they just raised our property taxes 6.3 mill.
The school administrators and school board need to start thinking smarter and operate more efficiently and effectively.
What I believe the real reason for this tax increases is because after June of 2017 they will not be able to raise property taxes so radically.
Meaning they will have to stick the CPI or come to the voters for more money.
The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is a measure of the average change over time in the prices paid by urban consumers for a market basket of consumer goods and services.Sort of cost of living increase.
The government schools are socialist - or communist if you prefer that description. We're servants to the government. That's been the American tradition since 1865.
Remember how the Soviets and Eastern Black were big on athletics? Title XI or whatever, we're right there with 'em except they're already gone. Enjoy your new football field and track and cheer 'em on.
Even if you get taxes down or limit the tax increases to government schools, you're still losing. How can you maintain liberty when you're really losing it or by voting to the taking of the liberty of others?
If you read the newspaper last week, you read where the West Elk USD-282 School Superintendent
said to call your School Board Representative !
I'd like to suggest you do that if you know who your representative is !
And I'd like to suggest that you ask why the School Finances are not readily available to the citizens of
the West Elk School District?
It is public information and could easily be posted on the expensive web site at West Elk that we pay for.
They will provide all kinds of excuses but there are no excuses for public information.
you might also ask why they don't want the people to know and why there is no transparency.
The School Board could also very easily live stream the Board meetings and post them on the web site.
And contrary to what Mr. Moore told me about having to hire someone to do it. We already have a paid employee
that has already recorded a presentation for them. It was not a board meeting but it involved 3 Board Members
and Mr. Moore.
Mr Moore also told me they would have to hire someone to edit the video. No, they would not !
It is a public meeting and does not require editing, in fact I believe the law disallows editing Board Meetings.
So, there would be no extra cost to provide the citizens with this technology, except for the expense of a few
memory cards for storage.
A SanDisk 128GB Memory Card at Amazon cost $43.55, however the School could possibly buy them much cheaper.
A SanDisk 128GB Memory Card operated at High Definition-Standard speed will hold 1920 minutes/ 32 hours of video.
That equates to approximately 8 months of School Board meetings.
I asked Mr. Moore personally and the School Board personally to provide this information.
Mr Moore provided excuses and the Board president said they could do that!
But it has been two years and nothing has been done for the taxpayers, nada.
Well, here we are with some more Kansas State School Board information.
One board member calling another board member a liar, politely of course.
None of them educated people lie, don't you know?
Is this the truth or damage control ? Who else might be lying ? The coloring is the authors coloring not mine. He likes to color like I do, how about that? LOL
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RECENT NEWS
STATE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER SHOULD PRACTICE WHAT HE PREACHES
Dave TrabertMay 11, 2016Education
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District 9 State School Board member Jim Porter published the following piece outlining what he considers to be deceptive statements about school funding and state taxes. He urges political leaders to "tell the whole story" but doesn't practice what he preaches, as we found a dozen deceptive statements in his piece. His published text follows in black and our reaction is shown in red, with links in the traditional blue.
We are consistently hearing from those political leaders who are resisting what many of us consider to be the adequate funding of education that Schools are receiving more state support than ever and that support is increasing every year. Typically they say that people need to know the facts. Well, that is part of the story and although not a false statement it is certainly deceptive. I will make an attempt to explain the part of the story that they are not telling.
Deception #1 – Special Education Services in many cases are provided by Cooperatives or Interlocals. Schools contract with these groups to provide quality services collectively that would be very difficult to provide individually. This is a very efficient way to provide those services. Until recently special education funds were sent directly to the Cooperative or Interlocal. However, a few years ago those funds were sent to the local public school and the school then sent those funds to the provider of services. This was lauded as in increase in public school funding when; in fact, it was the same amount but just laundered through the public schools. It did increase the budget of the public school but provided no additional funds to that district.
Jim Porter's Deception #1 – According to an email from Dale Dennis, special ed funding has been provided directly to school districts "for at least 10 years." Mr. Porter doesn't define 'recently' but most people would take it to mean within the time frame he references (the Brownback administration) and that clearly is not the case. Also, Special Ed Co-ops are not separate entities but simply hosted by a school district; as such, money would not have been sent directly to co-ops as he claimed but to the host school district.
Deception #2 – Until recently the state contribution to the Kansas Public Employees Retirement System (KPERS) was sent directly to KPERS. Now the funds are transferred to the public school account and then transferred to KPERS on the same day. Again, this was lauded as an increase to public school funding even though it was the same amount of money with just an additional transfer from the State of Kansas to the school to KEPRS.
Jim Porter's Deception #2 – According to Dale Dennis, KPERS funding was last sent directly to KPERS in 2004; it has since been sent directly to school districts included in reported school funding totals. Again, Mr. Porter doesn't define 'recently' but most people would take it to mean within the time frame he references (the Brownback administration) and that clearly is not the case. Mr. Porter also fails to note that per-pupil school funding continues to set records without counting a dollar of KPERS and is 40% above inflation since 1992.Deception #3 – Until this year when we paid our property taxes to our counties the county sent the schools portion of those taxes to the proper school district. Now those funds are sent to the State and the state then sends those funds to the school. This looks like a tremendous increase in state funding for schools when, in fact, it is just a redistribution of funds from local to state.
Jim Porter's Deception #3 – KSDE restated state funding for FY 2014 to account for that transition and showed that there was still an increase. Mr. Porter makes it sound as though legislators are claiming the property tax transfer as a large increase in state funding, but that isn't the case. He also fails to note that the 20 mills mandated by the state should always have been recorded as state aid and that many legislators were not aware that the 20 mills was being recorded as Local aid.These three deceptions amount to hundreds of millions of dollars that are being advertised as increases in school funding when they are only reclassifications of funds that were already being spent.
Not true.Some of our political leaders and proud of the fact that a benefit of the block grant is the schools will receive the same amount as they have in the past. However, because of inconsistent support for the past several years many schools are having to use fund balances to meet current needs. Those schools that do not have fund balances have to make cuts in services to kids to survive. Spending fund balances is like an individual using their savings account on their monthly expenses. Pretty soon the savings account is empty and the obligations continue. School districts are criticized for having fund balances but of the uncertainly of state support, which has become an increasing problem over the past few years, having those fund balances has become necessary for survival.
]Jim Porter's Deception #4 – Schools aren't criticized for merely having fund balances; every entity needs some degree of reserves. But schools have far more reserves than their own history shows to be necessary. If each district retained the same carryover ratio as they had in 2006, they would have started the 2015 school year with $297 million less in reserve. Dozens of districts routinely operate with less than 10% of their operating costs in reserve,
yet 152 of them started last year with more than 15% in reserve (that's double the reserve percentage that the state is supposed to hold). Over the last ten years, school boards increased operating cash reserves by $385 million, representing money intended to educate students but instead was put in the bank.Keeping funding level sounds to some like a positive step, however, even though revenue may be level, expenses are not. Areas of increased expenses where school have no option include: Increased cost of insurance (property and casualty, health, etc.), supplies, utilities, increase in number of students, increase and severity of students with special needs among many others. If revenue remains level and costs increase the only option is to reduce services to children. Many schools have already reduced the school year, summer school, activities, elective options, field trips and other enrichment activities along with increasing class sizes among other things, and without additional support these reductions will continue to the determent to the school children of Kansas.
Jim Porter's Deception #5 – citizens and employers have cost increases also, but they must find a way to mitigate cost increases by operating more efficiently. Local school boards want to inflict tax increases on citizens and employers so districts can continue to operate very inefficiently and hold unnecessarily large cash reserves. School districts are on record in legislative and other testimony opposing efforts to help them become more efficient, which would make more money available for Instruction. They testify that they want to be able to spend more than necessary if they choose and expect taxes to be increased on citizens to accommodate their demands.Another deceptive statement is that Kansas has many thousand new businesses. With the current tax structure allowing many business to avoid Kansas Income tax completely I would like to propose an alternative theory. Thousands of Kansas businesses have changed their status so that they qualify under the tax plan and do not have to pay taxes. Those existing Kansas businesses are listed as new businesses even though they have just changed their status. The prediction was that there would be about 190,000 businesses in Kansas who would qualify for the income tax exemption; however, the real number is more like 330,000.
Jim Porter's Deceptions #6, #7, #8 and #9 – Kansas does have thousands more new business entities. The Kansas Department of Revenue reports that new business filings are of individuals who were not previously registered based on social security numbers. There is no data to support Mr. Porter's theory that C Corporations changed their filing status, but there is IRS data showing a significant movement of Adjusted Gross Income from Missouri to Kansas; some of that could account for part of the increase in new business filings. Business owners with W-2 wage income currently pay Kansas income taxes on those wages and some CPAs advise their clients that they should be declaring W-2 wage income. It should also be noted that 27% of those businesses reported losses for tax year 2014 and another 54% had income below $25,000. One of the main points of the 2012 tax plan was to encourage small startups by allowing them to keep more working capital to grow their businesses and create more 'gazelles' – companies with explosive growth like Garmin and Cobalt Boats.To make up the difference the tax burden is being placed on the property owner and the consumer. Sales taxes have increased. Sales tax is the most regressive tax available as the lower the income the larger percentage of income goes to pay the sales tax. Political subdivisions like cities, counties, school districts, etc. are having to respond in two ways. One is to continue to reduce valuable services and the other is to raise the mill levy. When you receive your tax statement and find that it has increased, that increase is made necessary because 330,000 businesses are getting a pass on the backs of property owners and consumers.
Jim Porter's Deceptions #10, #11 and #12 – Sales taxes were unnecessarily increased because Democrats and some Republicans refuse to support efficiency measures. Controlled, efficient spending is the key to having low taxes. In 2014, the states that tax income spent 48% more per-resident than the states without an income tax; Kansas spent 34% more. Kansas needs to go from being morbidly inefficient to just grossly inefficient, but legislators in both parties refuse to make the State operate more efficiently. Cities, counties and school districts could choose to operate more efficiently but they would rather continue to do what they've done for years – unnecessarily jack up property taxes and threaten to cut services if they don't get their way. And while it is not a matter of 'right' or 'wrong,' if you believe everyone should pay tax on all of their income, know that government retirees are the original group that is partially exempt from income tax. Unlike private sector retirees who pay tax on all of their pension or 401(k) retirement income, state and local government employees are never taxed on the pension income funded by taxpayers.I would urge those political leaders who are bragging about the fact that the "Sun is shining in Kansas" to stop deceptive language and tell the whole story. There are many great things about living in Kansas but our citizens deserve to know the whole story.
Jim Porter should practice what he preaches.https://kansaspolicy.org/state-school-board-member-practice-preaches/
Today starts the collection of registered voters in the West Elk USD-282 Opposition Petition.
West Elk USD-282 raised your property taxes 6.3 mill last fall.
We prevented them from raising them an additional 8 mill via a Resolution in the Newspaper with an Opposition Petition.
Yes they areback attempting to do so again. 8 mill is what the new resolution call for.
We did it once and we can do it again!
Just watching KSN 3 news and they announced that the Wichita School District would
be getting together to decide how to fund the school district !
That is just plain wrong !
All school districts are funded with taxpayer dollars and property owner taxpayer dollars.
It is the job of School Superintendents and School Boards to budget the use of those
funds efficiently and effectively and not to go over budget.
The first day and just a couple of hours gathering signatures.
And I have gathered 10 % of the required signatures on the
Opposition Petition.
And I have weeks to gather the rest.
Good Morning Folks.
Just barely got started gathering endorsements/signatures for the West Elk-USD282 Opposition petition
And doing great.
I have reached 30% of the required signatures.
I am hoping to get 150% of the required signatures.
Our good neighbors and great citizens are real happy to sign the Opposition Petition
and graciously thank me for my efforts.
Most of the good people don't believe the school districts boards intentions and believe the school receives more than enough
money to operate effectively, if the operate efficiently.
The use of a copied resolution that does not address the actual need for more money does not help the district.
The resolution is filled with stuff that does not pertain to West Elk in the slightest stretch of the imagination.
For the school Superintendent to say i the newspaper that they only want 4 mill, but write the resolution for eight mill does not help them either. Because if the Resolution were to stand that whole 8 mill can and in my opinion will be taken. Perhaps not all at once but the extra 4 mill that it is written for could be taken at any time they choose.
I wonder if Mr. Moore is sending out another letter to the parents of all the kids again. That is at the expense of the taxpayers and the schools budget (if they have one) and the taxpayer dollars for yet another failed cause. The people told them no last fall and are telling them no again right now. When will the Board of Education learn, No means No!
West Elk operates on $25,0590 per student, per year with only one school building to maintain.
While the Independence School District operates on $13,020
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 446 Independence Montgomery $8,554 $850 $3,615 $13,020
And they have 4 school buildings o n 4 different properties and a separate property and Superintendent Administration building to maintain. They also have over 1000 students, I don't have the exact number of students. But I'm sure you can understand the point.
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
In a civil society is where elected officials should honor their fiduciary responsibility to provide
the same or better quality service at the best possible price. And I don't feel we have this in our school board.
I have so far collected 60% of the required signatures on the West Elk School Board
Opposition Petition. My goal is at least 150% of the required signatures.
West Elk Just raised our property taxes 6.3 mill and although Mr. Moore stated on
the front page of the newspaper they only want 4 mill the official legal document
in the want ads says 8 mill. And trust me if this is not stopped they will take 8 mill.
Otherwise they would have stated 4 mill in the legal document.
Most of the folks that have signed the opposition exhibit a strong distrust of the
School Board and the School Superintendent in my opinion. And justly so!
They ran this very same Resolution which was stopped by the Opposition Petition
at the same time.
Stopping the Resolution only tells the School Board they may not use this form of
increasing property taxes and to bring it to election and let the people vote on it.
They did not do that because they know the voters will not approve it.
So, what do they do but run another Resolution hoping no one will notice it in the
newspaper and then they can get away without coming to the voters and taxpayers.
Together we will once again tell them to bring it to the voters again.
But trust me they will do this Resolution again and again hoping to wear us down.
But that won't happen will it !
We will continue until the School Board wises up that is possible.
We still have until the 19th of June to get this done, and we will do it.
Sounds good.
Stay right in there.
Thanks Red.
Good morning everyone,
Yep I'm still collecting signatures of people that care and are feed-up with higher and higher property taxes from
a poorly ran West Elk USD-282 School Board.
A School Board that wastes taxpayer dollars. A School Board that permits
a School Superintendent to recruit children from other school districts,
that they can not afford to support and then tells us we need to
pay more property taxes to support those recruited.
A School Board that lacks leadership!
A School Board that thinks the School Superintendent is their boss
instead of the other way around.
A School Board that lacks the ability to discuss simple problems to find suitable solutions.
A School Board that terminates a verbal Contract with a great School Booster with no knowledge
of the great service on the Football field they were receiving a;most for free. And then pay an outside
company nearly 4 times what they could have had the job done for.
Yes, the voters and taxpayers are upset with the School Board shenanigans.
The voters and taxpayers have kept telling the School Board "NO" over the last numbers of years.
But the School Board doesn't listen !
"No" means "NO" "NO" more taxes!
No more
phony and
sneaky RESOLUTIONS, if you have a legitimate excuse to raise property taxes bring it to the voters at election time.
If you have a clue as to the answer you expect to get, don't do it?.
Just some of that
Critical Thinking that has been expressed by the School Board President.
Remember he said he thought they should be teaching
Critical Thinking to the students.
I think he must have found out that is part of the teaching because it is never brought up any more.
Perform and install a reasonable budget and live with in it.
That is one of the biggest jobs of a School Board.
Another big job of the school Board is to review the Educational materials and to
review the teachers evaluations through the Superintendents reports on that subject
and should be performed as often as the Board sees fit. Not just once or twice a year.
I was recently asked by a taxpayer/property owner/voter while he was signing the Opposition Petition a question
I had no answer for.
He asked me how much of Elk County land was owned by outsiders, that meaning people that live else
where.
I had no answer, he said he heard 60% or more.
This subject was lightly broached during a County Commissioners Meeting when they were talking about
giving away $100,000.00. I suggested if they did not need the money or did not need the money that they
return it to the taxpayers instead of being Socialists. Okay, I didn't say Socialists but I did imply that.
Kon nected Kommisioner Kaminska stated that to much money would leave the county.
Well la-di-da. Aren't they sending the money to those out of county when they give a County Tax break?
And isn't that their money she is givin away?
Well back to land ownership, I went down to our County Assessor office and talked to his people. They were terrific.
I was told and this is almost word for word:
A Query was performed on the % of out of county owners and came up with a rough estimate of around 60%.
They said this is just 10 acre + tracts doesn't include Homes or smaller tracts of land. This is just based on acres, a person could own more than 1 property. Also address could be in another county but have land in our county. This also isn't something that would be accurate for paper.
A rough estimate.
Over half of Elk County property is owned by outsiders ---- meaning people that don't live here.
Have you had a chance to read this weeks Letters From our Readers i n the Prairie Star?
USD 462 had a land owner make a remark, "The Stat is constantly putting money into schools,
and then before the money can be used they yank it back out."
Didn't West Elk try to claim the same thing. "They would put money into an account and twenty minutes later
it was gone.
It's as if these people think money is disappearing into thin air.
If they really believe that, shouldn't they be filing complaints with the State Attorney General
for criminal investigation of wrong doing?
What I imagine is happening is the State puts the money in a State account for the respective School
and then the School District transfers the money into their local account. But I what I do know is the money
does n't just disappear.
I just got home from gathering another bunch of signatures for the Opposition Petition and I had some very
interesting conversations with the registered voters that signed the petition. First let me say they are all very
decent people and a pleasure to visit with.
One lady told me they are calling me a liar and really trying to put me down. And I said that's just fine with me.
and that they probably hate me for being truthful but that was their problem and not mine, I don't hate no one
because I have no reason or desire to hate anyone. The lady said she did not appreciate the way they they tried
to cover up my letter to the editor last fall, by printing the Superintendent's letter above mine. I said that was okay,
because it is up to the people to make their own decisions about what they read.
Just so everyone understands the Opposition Petition is authorized by the School Boards Resolution.
The petition asks the question, "Shall the following resolution, become effective?
Each signatories page asks, "Shall the following ordanance, or resolution, become effective or brought to elections?"
If enough registered voters sign the opposition petition all they are saying is bring the issue to the voters.
The West Elk School Board chose last fall not to bring it to the voters !
Can you guess why?
So now they have done yet another Resolution in another attempt to raise our property taxes 8 mill with out coming to the voters.
Yes, I read Mr. Moore's newspaper story saying they are only asking for 4 mill !
If that were true, why write 8 mill in the legal Document --- the Resolution ?
Read the Resolution ! Read the legal document in the Ads section of the newspaper for yourself.
And remember they just raised your property taxes 6.3 mills and the state not long back raised your property values
which makes each mill worth more money! In essence a property tax hike with out raising the mill rate.
I can almost bet, they will continue to raise our property tax in this fashion again and again using a Resolution to avoid coming to the voters.
And i will return again with another Opposition Petition.
It is my opinion that the School Board needs to scrutinize and adjust their budget.
It is my opinion their job as school board nembers they should discuss every penny of the budget
and cut out waste.
It is my opinion that as school board members they should discuss everything that comes before them
to avoid wasting money like they did in the fiasco of rebuilding the football field to make it more professional.
That fiasco cost the taxpayers 4 times what it should have cost.
Why?
Because they failed to discuss an assumed problem that did not exist. That's why !
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I had an interesting day yesterday while collecting signatures
for the Opposition Petition.
As I have said people that have signed the Petition have expressed distrust
of the School Board ad they still are.
But the most interesting conversation I have had, was with a gentleman that said no
to signing. He spoke of how he felt that West Elk was trying to do something.
That intrigued me and, even though he had said no and I said thank you for your time and
was preparing to leave, he continued to talk to me. And said to me, you do don't know what they are trying
to do. So, I said apparently I don't know what you are talking about. and I said, I'm all ears
and would definitely like to know what you know. He either could not or would not tell me what he knows.
So, I asked him if he aware of what happened over the so-called Professional football field.
He said, I sure have and that he found that really frustrating.
I thanked his once again for his time and conversation and I went about my business.
The gentleman peaked my curiosity and I truthfully would like to know what he was talking about.
Does any one on here have any idea what he might have been alluding to?
A few people expressed their continued frustration over shutting down our grade schools using the
excuse to save money and then wasting money to buy portable buildings ad then calling them eye-sores.
These folks would have preferred the School Board would have done something more permanent.
They would have preferred the School Board have stayed inside the present building and divided
the extra large class rooms into two rooms because, they were designed for the purpose of doing just that
in case of a population growth. One man told me the building was designed to hold 900 children and another
man claimed the building was designed to hold 800 children. I informed them that I heard the School Superintendent
at a School Board meeting state the building was designed to hold 600 students.
Both replied that is still more students than what we have, we only have 300 students. And I agreed with them.
One man told me the School Board, when shutting the grade schools claimed that putting the younger children together
the older students that both would grow more in their social abilities. But he continued and said
they are now claiming just the opposite. In other words they have been exploiting the children as political tools
to manipulate the voters, but thank God it hasn't worked for them. I told him, I agreed whole heartily.
One person asked how they were able to raise our taxes 6.3 mill last fall when they are suppose to be limited limited to 4 mill, I had no answer for the gentleman. I did tell him, I was going to research that question and try to find out how they did that. If any one has an answer would you please share the answer with us.
I have acquired 100%oif the signatures I need, but will continue to collect more until I have 150% percent
of the signatures. Last year about 20% of the signatures were disqualified. I still have about three weeks
to collect the extra needed signatures, but I plan on turning the Opposition Petition very early.
A reminder folks the Opposition Petition does not stop them from raising property taxes! It only tells them they can not
use this particular Resolution to raise our taxes 8 mill. It tells them to bring the request for higher taxes to the voters in an election. In other words let the voters voice their opinion on a ballot.
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With a Dash of Common Sense
Please !
I have met some really nice people while gathering signatures for the Opposition Petition.
While driving down the highway I saw a lady walking out to her mail box and I stopped to
talk with her and before I could say anything she asked if I was gathering signatures.
And I said, yes I am ! And she said are you Ross from the forum and again I said yes I am !
I asked how did you now? I ever really received an answer but that is okay. I received some really great compliments which are greatly appreciated. And I especially appreciated her signature on the petition.
While canvassing Howard today, I knocked on a door and introduced myself, I said I'm Ross and I am talking to registered voters about property taxes. And this nice lady asked if I was Ross of the forum and I replied yes I am., And she opened the door and reached her hand out to shake my hand. I was shocked sort of, but appreciative of the hand shake and compliments. And I especially appreciated her signature on the petition.
I do have to add that I received a couple of very rude rejections but the other 5 or 6 were very polite in saying no and I thanked them for their time and moved on. Overall it has been an uplifting experience.
Good news I have collected 150% of the required signatures, but I may continue collecting more signatures.
I wish to sincerely thank all the people that have signed the petition thus far. This job can not be done by just a few people. It takes all of us.
If this is successful like the one last fall, I will try to get a letter to the editor to let everyone know.
I must say I don't expect the School Board to learn and I expect to see them do this again and again. The School Board just does not appear to learn from their mistakes. Something most people with common sense learn from. The School Board does not seem to realize the burden they place on the elderly of our community, they seem to lack the critical thinking skills, the President of the Board said, they needed to start teaching the students of West Elk.
I think it is time for the school board to start doing the job, they took on, it's time to learn what that job is.
Part of that job is to listen to the voters ! How many times do the voters have to tell them no before they learn? I thin they have been told no at least 5 times in the last 5 years.
Their job is to run the school efficiently and effectively ! They could start by showing some leadership abilities. The school board is suppose to be manned only by elected officials, that leadership I speak would remove all non-elected people from the board ! They can provide a separate table or desk for the Clerk of the Board of Education. If they think it necessary they could provide special seats (as in chairs) for the School Superintendent and the Principal separate from the the Board of elected members. Which would provide more decorum as in behavior in keeping with good taste and propriety.
The board could also face the audience out of respect for the citizens in attendance, because it is a public meeting.
The President of the board could display some sense by utilizing critical thinking while leading discussions per the Roberts Rules of Order which their by-laws say they are suppose to be using. Perhaps the fiasco over the football field would never had happened if there would have been some critical thinking going on and some discussion among-st the board members, instead of a hasty jump to conclusions that cost the taxpayers 4 times more than it should have cost. This is the purpose of any board, to discuss problems, not to create problems.
But much like the Federal Government this School Board does not listen to the people and does not provide transparency. In plain language they don;t care about the people and they don't want the people to know what they are doing. If the truly cared about the people we would never have heard the School Board President say he did not care how mad the voters get. Yes, I heard that during a Board meeting. If they really wanted to include the community and keep the community informed they would evolve in to the 21st Century and post video of the Board Meetings on the West Elk Web site that we pay for.
Most importantly the board members should recognize that the School Superintendent is their employee not the other way and that is is a Board Meeting not a Superintendent meeting and act appropriately and with the proper decorum..
Don't confuse education with intelligence.
I say that because they tried to sell us a bunch of bull when they recorded 3 School Board members and the Superintendent and edited the video. It is my opinion by editing it they created propaganda. They could edit the video because there was not a quorum, meaning they made sure there was never 4 or more board members on the stage, which meant it was not a school board meeting. They had the school superintendent sort of as an M.C. but the board members could not talk for themselves, it was the Superintendent that answered the questions. School Board meetings that are recorded may not be edited as per Kansas State law and I believe that is why they will not record them.
Thanks again to all that have signed the Opposition Petition.
Happy Summer and good night.
What a beautiful day it is today, huh !
I went out and collected a few more signatures for the opposition petition.
There was just one problem, I think because of it being a beautiful so many doors
I knocked on went unanswered. I guess people were out and about enjoying the day.
I did acquire a few, but i did not stay at it to long because my wife was feeling ill and I wanted to be home to keep watch over her.
I did have one very interesting stop and enjoyed it quite a bit.
I told the gentleman who I was and he interrupted me and said I'm not signing your
petition and before I could say thank you, he said you are too much of a radical and known through out the county. I responded that if being honest is considered radical, you are right. He responded that was a matter of opinion. And I said I suppose your are right, and I said thank you and went on my way.
I do not know who he was and I don't really care who he was ! But I assume he is one of the so-called elite of Elk County.
I am quite pleased that the elite have taken notice that I stand up for the poor, the middle class, the aged and I speak the truth. It's a shame that they consider it radical.
But i think what radical means To me it means bullheaded, determined and honest, It also means I accomplish what I set out to do.
And really the folks that have signed the Opposition Petition are only telling the School Board if they want to raise our property taxes again, bring it to an election and let all the voters say yes or no!
But like the last time they did their Resolution and were told by the voters no, bring it to an election, the School Board failed to do so. It is my opinion that the School Board members lack respect for the people by ignoring them And because they attempted to slip anoth Resolution by the voters to raise their property taxes.
It is very clear in my mind that the School Board has more than enough tax dollars to operate on if they would only quite the wasteful spending of money and if they did their jobs as the boss of the School Superintendent and told him to quite recruiting students from other School districts.
Remember, last fall the School Superintendent said they were bringing 27 students over from another school district? Remember that ? He had it put in the newspaper! And that is also when he said it cost the school $8000 per student to educate them ! Remember I posted, according to the state it costs $25,000 (+) for our own students per year. The $8000 is only the amount collected from West Elk School District property owners, property tax payers. The School District these recruited students collect about the same amount of money from the property owner in that School District and they keep that money? Why should we, the West Elk School District property owners and taxpayers be taxed more to pay for recruited students when the can stay home so we don't get hammered.
All this apparently makes me a radical which is fine with me.
I was labeled an undesirable at the School Board meeting aby School Board Members or so I was told by a person I could trust. You see they called to have a sheriff deputy come to a school Board meeting that I was attending. I had to leave before the meeting even got half way through but a man I could trust stayed for the whole meeting. When the meeting ended he asked why the deputy was there and was tod because an undesirable was in the audience.
Now what does that tell you?
It tells me that I, as a property owner and taxpayer and voter is an undesirable.
It tells me that the School Board and the so-called elite of Elk County do not want concerned citizens involved in their locally funded governments. I say their Government because they think they own it. It is the same attitude of the Obama Administration and our Federal Government.
The School Board is behaving like a Dictatorship by by-passing the voters by attempting to raise our property tax using the sleazy method of a Resolution. They have been told no, but they don't care, they will keep using a copied Resolution that really does not apply to their needs, that is if they have needs! And that is because they are to lazy to write their own Resolution and/or they have no real needs ! For instance show me where there is asbestos in the West Elk USD-282 School Building. Show me what building sites they want to buy. Show me what students are attending a Vocational School that falls uner the West Elk School Board. No one can show me that stuff, because it does not exist. And that is the truth!
You don;t see any of the School Board Members disputing any thing I post because it is the truth. And don't try to tell me they can not post here on the Forum, because they can.
I do believe you and I can agree that they read everything, I post just so they can have some one to complain about, if for no other reason.
I bet they have given me plenty of names that they could not politely post here. LOL
I will be turning in the Opposition Petition in most likely on Wednesday!
Has anyone read any of the School Board Minutes in the newspaper this year?
I thought, I was just missing them in the newspaper for some reason or forum because they can.
well a lady that signed the Opposition Petition brought it to my attention that they have only posted one meetings minutes so far this year in the newspaper.
Is that perhaps because someone is failing to do their job and earn their paycheck?
Or is it because the School Board does not think it is any of your business?
Something to think about, isn't it.
I have shot off my mouth enough for now, so I will say by-by and thanks to all the Opposition Petition signers you have made my day. Together we stand a chance to succeed.
This should apply equally to our out of control local Governments!
One wants to tax, tax us out of our homes
And another wants to be Socialist by giving money away !
Just telling it like it is !
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The Opposition Petition is now in the hands of our County Clerk, who happens to be very busy
today. But she said she will get the job done this week.
Last fall the requirements to complete the petition called for 10% of the registered voters in
the West Elk School District. There were 1212 registered voters which required 121 verified registered voters. I turned in 139 signatures of which 130 were validated.
This doesn't sound like much, but when you are out there knocking on door after door and nobody answers it sure seems like a lot. It is a bit difficult to catch people at home. But it is rather rewarding when they answer the door and praise you for what you are doing to help the people.
This year with a bit of experience under my belt, I made better progress, I think. I also think, I influenced a few people to register to vote. I told them I felt like they do, that the Federal government basically throws out our votes on the National level, but I informed them their local vote carries a lot of weight.
This year, I was told the number of registered Voters had not changed much if at all. So I got prepared to meet last years 121 signatures. What I actually collected was 183 signatures and checking them against my list of registered voters, I came up with 39 signatures I could not find. But that still leaves me with a wide margin of 144 signatures to come up with 121 signatures or more. Those have to be verified by our county clerk.
I am anxious to get the County Clerks results and will share them, as soon as I get them.
One signer of the petition asked me, since this is the second time they will have been told do you think the School Board will learn, that the people have spoken. My honest answer to her was -- NO---. They will be back again and again because they fail to learn and be reasonable, I really don;;t believe they care who they hurt with excessive spending and waste of other peoples money. I don't think they care about the elderly in Elk County. As a matter of fact from attending School Board meetings, I know they don't care.
Last year they funded an all expense paid vacation for two kindergarten teachers in Las Vegas to attend a convention conducted by Common Core. There was nothing at that convention they could not have learned on Educational sites on the internet. The two teachers even bragged about going and gambling.
And this year they sent a couple of first or second grade teachers. Those were totally un-necessary and expensive trips in my opinion. Just ask those teachers if to further their education abilities if they would spend the money out of their own pocket and if they say yes, just tell them to go for it. My bet is no one would go.
The school board does these things and spend excessively on the football field to make it a professional football and then install an automatic sprinkler system so the maintenance men will not have to drag out water hoses. Which has them spending more money than they have in the budget.
Doesn't that sound a lot like the Obama Administration?
What is effective and efficient about managing a School with these attitudes? I think this explains why the School District will not stop hammering us for more and more property taxes with a resolution again in 6 more months or less. Because they do not learn and they do not care.
We need to stop confusing a College Degree
(education) with
Intelligence.
My sincere thanks to everyone that signed the petition
without you the petition would be nothing.
If you recall last year Mr. Moore said in the newspaper that the school had an extra 27 students
from out of district. That simply meant he had 27 students whose school district received
Federal aid and State aid and their local personal property tax to pay for their education.
West Elk as far as I know does not receive a cent of that educational funding for those 27 students.
So Mr. Moore was saying he needed another $8,000 for each for those students because that is what it cost to educate them. Folks at I have shown you where the State says West Elk spends $25,000 per student to educate them. So you see, Mr. Moore is simply leaving out the Federal Aid and the State aid out of the calculation of cost to educate students.
Well a rumor has been circulating that Mr. Moore has paid a visit to Burden and Central High to recruit students to come to West Elk again next School year. It is said he is offering
free transportation and
free breakfast and
free lunches for those students.
Hello, Bernie Sanders get a load of this
free transportation and
free breakfast and
free lunches for students that leave their school and come to West Elk. While, West Elk Students get nothing free.
How cool is that?I believe that students that pay full price for meals is in the neighborhood of
$600 a year. What an incentive for parents to send their kid to West Elk, Huh?
Can anyone verify this rumor?
What can be the reason for recruiting students and bribe their parents to the tune of
$600 worth of free meals?
Well it has been suggested to me to recruit athletes, but that is illegal !
But wait if you recruit enough students, it does not appear you are recruiting athletes, does it?
It has been suggested to me to fool the state into thinking we have a larger population of students in order to get more Federal and State Aid.
That sounds a lot like people that claim disabilities they don't have, in order to get Social Security Disability doesn't it?
Is it really the job of a Superintendent to recruit students and to play politics using those children to manipulate our property taxes. To me that is the worst exploitation of school children I have ever heard of!
How about you, what do you think?
I hope this is all wrong in my opinion.
I guess we will know when School starts back up again, won't we?
Will we get 27 more students? More or less? Maybe 25 or perhaps 30?
We will have to watch and see!
Socialism is free stuff
that someone else pays for !
HOW RADICAL IS THAT?
27 STUDENTS RECEIVING FREE MEALS AT $600 FOR THE YEAR
ONLY SETS THE TAXPAYER BACK FOR
$16,200.00
No big deal for the Wealthiest county in Kansas, is it?
And that isn't even talking about the $8,000 per student
the Superintendents says he needs to
Educate them!
That is just another
$216,000.00
GOOD NEWS
MY FRIENDS
AND FELLOW TAXPAYERS
AND VOTERS
The Opposition Petition has has been verified, certified or what ever they call it, by the Elk County Clerk and turned over to served to West Elk USD-282 School Superintendent.WE did it again !
My sincerest thanks to everyone that signed the petition!
I doubt the School Board will learn that the taxpayers have had enough!
So we may very well have to do this again in 6 months if not sooner.
I am hoping that a few people were influenced into registering to vote
because are votes are so much more important here locally at home
than our National votes ! I know of two people that visited the Court house and
filled out the little card to register. My thanks to them as well.
I intend to send a letter to the editor this time to get the word out to the other people
that signed the petition that are not here o the forum. I didn't do that last year because
I had an emergency and ended up getting my wife in the hospital.
Many, many thanks to all.
Mr. Knox.
My name is L. W. Ross, I live at:`
Last fall West Elk USD-282 ran a Resolution in the Prairie Star newspaper, the Resolution was not to exceed 5 year and not to exceed 8 mil.
I studied and put together an Opposition Petition and gathered the needed 10% of required registered voters in the West Elk USD-282 voting district to oppose the Resolution.
I turned the petition into the County Clerk who verified the count and notarized the petition and presented it to the School Superintendent!
Well, sir after attending many School Board and hearing the School Superintendent advise the School Board numerous times that they could only raise property tax 4 mil maximum with out going to the voters. I just don't understand how West Elk USD-282 managed to raise our taxes 6.377 mil last fall.
My question I need answered is where can I find the law, rule or regulation that legally limits the mil levy raised by the School Board with out going to the voters. I am referring to last years rules or laws.
I would also like to know what actions are required if the School Board made an error in raising our property taxes by 6.377 mill, to refund the over charge? Would I be required to take the information to the Kansas State Department of Education or the Kansas State Attorney General or the Kansas Governmental Ethics Commission to get the refunds. I would like to ask for more and improved transparency of the governing of West Elk USD-282.
I just completed yet another successful Opposition Petition against a second Resolution stating not to exceed 5 years and not to exceed 8 mil.
I have personally spoke with both the School Superintendent and the Board President about, speaking up during Board Meetings due to the fact that I have a hearing disability! And although I have very expensive hearing aids, they do not make up for various sound pitches and I have asked them to face the audience so I, and at least one other person that practice lip reading to compensate for hearing loss. The only response I received was to sit in the front row. The front row is not always available and it only makes 3' of difference.
Any help you may offer will be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
L. W. Ross
10 year Vietnam Veteran
P. S. I am posting this e-mail to our local forum, minus my personal information.
WOW
An almost instant response!
A 19 minute response time, I'm impressed.
Yes, it sure looks like everyone in State Government is very concerned about what is happening with all school funding.
The Response from Mr. Knox minus personal information:
-------Original Message-------
From: Forrest Knox
Date: 6/10/2016 11:23:08 AM
To: ross_lw@
Subject: Re: School Funding
I'll inquire with the experts in Topeka, without your personal info, and let you know what I learn.
Forrest
Sent from Forrest's iPhone
I received an e-mail from State Representative Larry Hibbard which I subscribe to and here is just a portion of it.
On everybody's mind throughout the day was the Supreme Court decision last Friday, telling the legislature that our schools are not equitably funded and if that isn't corrected, they could possibly be shut down July 1st.
Special Session
The inevitable has happened and Governor Sam Brownback has called the legislature back into session on the 23rd of this month to address the Kansas Supreme Court ruling on equity in school finance. I've been asked several times "what equity means" and I will attempt to give a more down to earth and personal explanation.
Cindy and I have five grandchildren. Our two youngest, Peyton and Connor, will be attending public school in Basehor, Kansas. Basehor is a bedroom community in Leavenworth County just outside the greater Kansas City area. There is rapid development in the area caused basically by young, well-educated families that work in Kansas City and are looking for a quieter and safer place to raise their children.
The problems Basehor school district have are basically keeping up with the rapid increase in population and school age children in their district. Years ago, Basehor was a 1A school but is now a large 4A with expectations to grow. It takes approximately five years to design, bond, and build a new school. The high property values in the area help with the finance and getting young teachers to work there is not a problem due to its closeness to shopping, entertainment, and health needs only ten minutes down the road.
Our other three grandchildren, Clara, Nick, and Natalie, attend school in Fredonia, a school that is in my district. Fredonia has had a reputation for years of having a high quality school system with excellent teachers. That same thing could be said for the other seven schools in District 13 (Altoona-Midway, Eureka, Hamilton, Madison, Neodesha, West Elk, and Yates Center). The biggest challenge they face is the declining population in rural Kansas and therefore their class sizes continue to get smaller. The tax base is basically made up of ag land, some oil production, and some manufacturing.
The Fredonia administration and board continues to meet the challenges of providing a first-class school system. This year, they regretfully closed the Junior High School building (6th, 7th, ad 8thgrades) and moved those students to either the High School or back to Lincoln Elementary (the grade school). The changes do not come without consequences to both the students and the employees, but the tight budgets made it necessary. The reason for these decisions can be laid in the lap of the state legislature and the governor. Generating tax dollars in Fredonia, Kansas is not near as easy as it is in Basehor, Kansas.
It is my hope and prayer that when we go back to session, that we can fund a school budget that will give all five of our grandchildren an equal opportunity for the best education affordable.
If I can be of help to you, contact me at my home this off-season at 620-637-2454 or by email at larryphibbard@gmail.com.
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Now you can make the comparison between West Elk and Fredonia, Elk Valley and Central.
You can make a determination as to the equity between Schools.
I do believe it is Central that West Elk recruits Students. I believe the West Elk Superintendent said it cost $8000.00 to educate those students and wanted to raise our property taxes for that purpose. However Central shows a total of cost per student from Property Tax and State Aid and Federal Aid of $15,224.
The numbers are shown below with internet links for verification.
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 484 Fredonia Wilson $9,220 $783 $2,561 $12,564
per pupil per year. 651 Students 95 Employees
From Web Site:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=484&DistrictName=Fredonia&County=Wilson
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 282 West Elk Elk $12,182 $5,271 $7,597 $25,050
per pupil per year.
West Elk does not show 2015 Student or Employee Count on this web site, they show 2005 numbers.From Web site:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=282&DistrictName=West%20Elk&County=Elk
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 283 Elk Valley Elk $13,483 $1,177 $3,743 $18,402
per pupil per year. 140 Students 30 Employees
From Web site:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=283&DistrictName=Elk%20Valley&County=Elk
Year USD # District Name County State Federal Local Total
2015 462 Central Cowley $11,623 $772 $2,829 $15,224
per pupil per year. 310 Students 54 Employees
From Web site:
http://www.kansasopengov.org/kog/databank#report_id=35&Year=2015&USDNumber=462&DistrictName=Central&County=Cowley
Some of Elk County is in the Central District.
Quote from: proelkco on June 13, 2016, 07:28:59 AM
Some of Elk County is in the Central District.
Yes sir it sure is !
Elk Valley extends into Montgomery County!
West Elk USD extends into Chautauqua County !
West Elk USD extends into Greenwood County!
Fredonia USD extends into Elk Count !
Part of Elk County is in the Fredonia, Wilson County, Kansas Post Office Zip Code and mailing address !
For some reason miss your point about boundaries.
Please enlighten us !
You said West Elk recruits students from Central. Some children from Grenola go to West Elk and some go to Central.
Quote from: proelkco on June 13, 2016, 12:46:16 PM
You said West Elk recruits students from Central. Some children from Grenola go to West Elk and some go to Central.
I said West Elk recruits students from Central because the West Elk Superintendent said it cost $8000.00 to educate them.
I was not referring to students already living in the West Elk School District, they don't need recruiting.
I hope that clears up the issue.
To all the folks that signed the Opposition Petition
I need your help!
I just received notice from the Elk County Clerk that once again the number of signatures has changed and that I need more signatures.
Because it was supposedly a mistake on the part of the County Clerk I am allowed to gather more signatures.
There has supposedly been another 500 or 600 registered voters add to the list since last fall.
So here is where I need your help. If you know anyone that has not signed the petition and is a registered voter in the
West Elk School District please call them and ask them to come see me.
I am going to go park at the Dollar General in Howard until 8 pm this evening.
Boy oh boy, was it ever hot out there in the sunshine gathering signatures.
I got about a half hour ago and had to cool down, no air conditioning in my old pickup.
It was like being in a sauna. I think i lost 5 pounds. LOL
And then a cloud raised up and blocked the sun. I simply looked up ad said thank you Jesus.
It was a very good afternoon and evening.
I had a couple of rejections but I graciously thanked them for their time.
I had a couple of non-registered people I spoke with and tried to encourage them to register.
I told them their votes in Elk County are very valuable here in the county. And folks that's the truth;
Any way I was told i needed 21 more signatures and I did much better than i expected.
I got 26 signatures of course they have to be certified, verified by the county clerk.
If I can pick up a few more I will be very happy. Not all signatures may be good that's why I want extras.
I did have a little fun with the School Board President this evening.
He walked by while a gentleman was signing the petition and I said hey aren't you gonna sign my petition.
I think he said yes he would, LOL ! I said awe get out of here thinking he was joking.
When he cane back out of Dollar General we had a talk.
He informed me that he was the only board member that voted against the Resolution/
I'm still wondering if my mouth fell open. Of course I haven't read the School Board meeting minutes because
they are not having them printed in the paper for some reason.
Anyway folks I intend to get this thing done.
I owe it to all those that have signed the Opposition petition.
My sincerest thanks to all that signed.
Good news!
I submitted the Opposition Petition once again.
And I received confirmation from the Elk County Clerk it is good to go.
There was once again an excessive number of signatures of Registered Voters.
To the School Board Members that voted to raise our property taxes in this back door method of a Resolution
I and I am sure the people that signed the petition hope you understand and comprehend this method
of raising our property taxes is not acceptable.
O personally would suggest that you get any further property tax hikes on a ballot and ask the voters in
a more honest and decent manner.
But I don't believe you want to be honest and decent with the voters and will therefore attempt this Resolution
sneaky method again, rest assured I will be watching for it again.
You board members might study and learn the budget inside out and trim the fat or waste
so as to operate more efficiently and effectively.
You board members have only one employee known as the West Elk School District Superintendent
and if you instruct him to show you where to cut the fat and the waste he is required to do so.
The Board needs to show some inkling of leadership and have decent Board meetings.
You can start by removing everyone but Elected Officials from the Board.
It is a simple first step to proper decorum and leadership.
The School Secretary, the School Superintendent nor the School Principal belong sitting on the Board.
No excuses are acceptable.
The next step towards Leadership is to start live streaming the Board meetings and recording them for
posting on the West Elk USD-282 web site. No excuses are acceptable.
This type of leadership will advance the West Elk USD-282 School Board into the 21st Century.
You are only 16 years late.
Many thanks to the Prairie Star for publishing the following letter:
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Why Mr. Ross does it bother you that some out of district children go to West Elk? Your own son goes out of district so what is the difference? I am not trying to start an argument I am just trying to understand.
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
Why Mr. Ross does it bother you that some out of district children go to West Elk? Your own son goes out of district so what is the difference? I am not trying to start an argument I am just trying to understand.
Well Proelco if you give some thought to what you ask, you might understand the Superintendent is not asking to raise property taxes
because my son is not going to West Elk. He is asking to raise property because other students are coming to West Elk.
It really isn't that it bothers me, it is a matter of what is right and proper and ethical uses of taxpayer money.
Apparently you are not concerned with what is right and proper and ethical!
Please feel free to correct me if my assumption is wrong.
However, with West Elk recruiting students from out side of the West Elk School District and then telling the West Elk
School District property owners that he needs to raise their property taxes to pay for those students at $8000.00 for
each and every student, in my opinion that is just plain wrong.
Also I have been told that West Elk is offering students from both Central and Elk Valley Schools free lunches as an
incentive to the parents to send their kids to West Elk.
Sir lunches are not free, not even in Bernie Sanders world. Some one has to pay for them !
I think this action is despicable, if true.
I believe, I paid real close to $600.00 for my sons breakfast and lunch.
Doesn't that make a great incentive for parents allow busing their children so far away from home?
That is bound to be along ride for the kids. And a great expense for West Elk USD-282.
Remember when the School Board claimed it was to far to bus Severy kids the extra miles to the Moline Grade School?
Remember that? And that is was to expensive to bus the extra miles, so shut down the Moline School to save money.
The trip from Severy to Moline is 26 min (20.8 miles) without traffic.
The trip from Burden to Howard is 42 min
(35.6 miles) without traffic.
The trip from Howard to Longton is 24 min (19.9 miles) without traffic.
These miles do not include side trips on County Roads, which would make them even longer rides and more expensive.
Not only is the West Elk School Board permitting this activity due to poor leadership,
this action may very likely be having an adverse effect on the other schools.
How, you may ask, As I understand it during the month of September the schools report their
attendance to the State and this gives West Elk an inflated enrollment and the other schools a deflated enrollment,.
If the actual time ever comes to cut schools out of the system it will most likely be based on the reported
enrollment to the state. And the deflated employment, especially at Elk Valley could result in the closing of that school.
And possibly at Central as well.
Can you possibly understand the ethics involved?
Now if you please !
Have you attended and West Elk School Board Meetings?
Do you think the School Board Meetings should be dominated by the Boards only employee, the School Superintendent?
Do you think only elected School Board members should be sitting on the School Board?
Do you think there should be more transparency of the School Board Government?
How would you feel about the School Board moving up into the 21st Century by live streaming the meetings and
post recorded copies on the publicly owned West Elk Web Site to provide the owner s/ the public / the taxpayers with transparency ?
Or should they continue to operate in a befuddled and secretive manner?
I sure hope this answers your question extensively enough!
I am anxious to read your response to my questions.
Thank you!
So Elk Valley recruited your son. And yes you are very wrong on how I feel on what is ethical. Yes I have attended school board meetings. The superintendent is who is responsible to keep the board informed. You are wrong about West Elk offering free lunches but you already know that if you know as much about laws as you say. Your son should go to school in his district
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
So Elk Valley recruited your son.
You are very wrong and don't know what you are talking about and I really expected such an attack. as soon as you brought my son into the equation of what West elk is doing. You did not ask you made a false statement.
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
And yes you are very wrong on how I feel on what is ethical.
So did you have some kind of a problem answering my questions, because they were questions related to ethics and honesty?
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
Yes I have attended school board meetings.
When have you been at school board meetings.
Did you notice the School Superintendent sitting at the head of the table next to the School Board President?
Did you notice the coy domination of the Board by the Superintendent?
Is the Superintendent an elected official to be sitting at the head of the Board?
Do not get me wrong, I happen to like Mr. Moore and it is my opinion that he is possibly the most intelligent person in Elk County. But it is not his job nor a requirement for him to sit at the head of the board. He can accomplish what ever he need to accomplish sitting in the audience.
Did you see anything the even resembled Roberts Rules of Order? If so. What was it?
Did you notice the slightest bit of decorum? If so, what was it?
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
The superintendent is who is responsible to keep the board informed.
The superintendent is responsible to the School Board but he is not an elected official to sit on the board. Plain and simple.
The Maintenance man is responsible to the School Board as well, but he does not sit in the School board.
The IT Technician is responsible to the School Board as well, but he does not sit on the School Board.
The transportation person is responsible to the School Board as well, but does not sit on the School Board.
Cna you follow the logic and ethics i just listed.
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
You are wrong about West Elk offering free lunches but you already know that if you know as much about laws as you say.
No I don't know, it is illegal.
Would you kindly provide us with link to the law or regulation?
In the mean time, I chose to believe the parents that told me this is happening.
Thank you!
Quote from: proelkco on June 16, 2016, 02:29:59 PM
Your son should go to school in his district
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As far as where my son goes to school and why, is really none of your business.
If it were to come up with the School Board, it would be in Executive Session for privacy reasons.
So you see, it is really none of your business. It is not West Elk USD-282 public information.
So your point, your opinion is moot. Sorry!
You
failed to respond to the questions of
transparency and coming into the
21st century with their meetings and live streaming the meetings and posting recordings on the taxpayers West Elk Web Site. Were you being bashful?
Let's go a little further with transparency and post a copy of the Schools financial books showing every financial transaction. After all it is public information and it would only take a few clicks on the computer.
I just bet you would be totally against these ideas. Tell me I'm wrong?
But that is understandable, because it is my opinion West Elk Doesn't want the people to know what they are doing or the transparency would have been provided long ago.
I hope yu have a good evening. Bye-bye for now.
Government schooling is stealing away American liberty.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 17, 2016, 05:28:56 AM
Government schooling is stealing away American liberty.
On this I believe you are right!
Schools have been changing/re-writing history.
Common Core is messing up math ad so many other areas.
Some schools have gone to far requiring students to praise Islam.
My sympathy lays with the good School Teachers.
There is way to much Political Correct B.S. happening in the governments push
to instill PC and LBGT&Q in education. Some schools are even teaching same sex in grade school
along with teaching no difference between sexes. Boys are Girls and Girls are Boys (sick).
There is just to much to list such as not teaching cursive and phonics.
Teaching an over abundance of tolerance and liberalism.
I'm not talking about our local schools necessarily.
Education standards has gone off the norm.
Education standards have been drastically diminished and degraded over the decades.
And it is not the fault of the teachers but the fault of governing bodies.
Everything is being turned inside out, upside down and backwards.
And It is frustrating.
As you know, I have been doing Opposition Petitions trying to slow down
the ridiculous property tax increases by West Elk.
I have stated it here before but i'll say it again, most of the people that
have signed the petition have voiced a distrust of the School Board our West Elk
government/governing body.
I have to agree with these citizens of Elk County and that is because of the lack of running
a proper School Board meeting. And the lack of transparency in the governing of the school.
I truly expect this to offend some people, because it is not Politically Correct to say such things.
But the truth hurts and usually does offend a minority of people.
Another problem with PC is it is like a disease and is.has spread as fast as any other disease.
I do expect West Elk to try to slip another Resolution past us, instead of bringing it to the voters.
And if they do it for a third time they will fully be communicating their disregard and lack of respect for every property owner taxpayer and every voter in the West Elk School District voting area.You would have had to attend numerous School Board meetings to appreciate the attitude towards
citizens / taxpayers / voters. I have mentioned it several times in this thread.
I'm a misfit and proud of it !
Are you?
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The educational financial problem is not a problem at west Elk USD-282 in my opinion.
The four day school week is being used by schools that have exceptional debt for building Taj Mahal's.
We don't have that problem because the voters in the West Elk USD-282 were smarter than the School Board
and told them "NO" not once but twice. The voters have also told the School Board "NO" twice on raising our property taxes. Let's not confuse education with intelligence! But is the School Board intelligent enough to accept what the people have told them, again "NO". They raised our property taxes 6.377 mills. I am still trying to find out what method they used.
The following article was recommended to me by a State Senator. He did not know I am a
subscriber to this Organization.
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RECENT NEWS
SCHOOL DISTRICTS LOAD UP ON DEBT
Dave Trabert June 19, 2016 Education
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Data provided by the Kansas Department of Education shows school districts loaded up on a lot of new debt over last ten years.
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$4.8 billion in new debt was issued by 143 districts.
Debt Service payments totaled $4.1 billion.
Bonded indebtedness increased $2.2 billion or 71%.
Debt Service payments jumped 72%, from $286 million in 2005 to $493 million in 2015.
Total bonded indebtedness as of June 30, 2015 was $5.4 billion spread across 183 districts; 103 districts have no bonded indebtedness.
2014 Census data (the most current) shows Kansas had the 10th highest per-pupil indebtedness in the nation at $10,211 on a headcount basis. Kansas was also the highest among neighboring states.
A dozen school districts issued more than $100 million in new bonded indebtedness over the last ten years. USD 233 Olathe tops the list at $516.8 Debt 2million (and just passed another $156 million bond issue), with Wichita and Blue Valley rounding out the quarter-billion-dollar club. Much of the new debt is subsidized by citizens outside the issuing district, which has a direct impact on state aid available for educating students. Ten of the top 12 debt issuers are subsidized by other Kansans. The Division of Budget estimates that Bond & Interest aid will be $181 million in FY 2017, which would be nearly triple the $63.7 million spent in FY 2007. To put that in perspective, had Bond & Interest aid remained steady over that period, $527 million more could have been available to fund Instruction.
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School districts heavily promote the fact that citizens outside the district will have to pick a portion of the cost. USD 259 Wichita, for example, even had campaign signs promoting that 25% of their debt would be paid by other people. Districts say the State picks up the tab, but that just means that someone else has to be taxed more to pay for it. It's a modern day version of taxation without representation.
USD 233 Olathe also has the largest amount of bonded indebtedness at $459.5 million and gets the second-largest distribution of debt subsidization by non-district residents ($14.2 million in 2015). New debt issued over the last ten years is a little higher than total current indebtedness because districts pay off or partially pay down old bond issues before issuing new debt.
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The 'pitch' to take on new debt is often akin to creditDebt 3 card ads that promise to keep payments low; districts say 'voting for this won't raise your mill rate' without disclosing that taxes would decline if the new bond issues is voted down – because old debt has been paid off and the tax to pay for it would go away. Perhaps new debt ballots should disclose the amount by which taxes would change with a 'yes' or 'no' vote. On a debt-per-student basis, USD 482 Dighton tops the list owing $53,448 for each of their 232 students. Olathe, by comparison, owes $16,648 for each of their 27,601 students. The average amount owed per-student for the districts with debt last year was $11,589. (These calculations are based on full time equivalent employment rather than the headcount measurement used by Census.)
Data for each school district is available on KansasOpenGov. Total indebtedness and the amount owed per-student is here. Annual debt service payments since the 2005 school year is here and new debt issued by year is here. All data can also be downloaded.
Finally, for those who don't live in the Olathe district, Debt 4here is an artist's rendering of the $114.4 million high school and sports complex you're helping to underwrite.
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The sketch really doesn't do it justice. It's a three-story structure of 375,000 square feet constructed for 2,000 students. That's a cost of $57,000 per student. The new school will be centered around a three-story entry area called the learning commons and also will have three gymnasium spaces and a number of practice fields for soccer, baseball, softball, football and tennis.
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This should serve as a wake up call to the West Elk School Board, but will they listen ?
I believe West Elk USD-282 has a debt of $500,000. 00 because the School Board did not take care of the business of fixing the roof and air conditioners a few years earlier before prices jumped. They were told by Architect's the prices were going to go through the roof, bu the Board failed to listen.
Voters in the West Elk School District deserve a pat n the back. I guess we will just have to give it to our selves.
Simply saying spending more money does not mean better education.
In my opinion wasteful spending accomplishes nothing but higher property taxes.
Unless the School Board can show a definitive need for more money, the answer should be clear to them, "NO".
Stop copying someone else's Paper, it is not aloud in class!
By that I mean stop copying someone else's Resolution. West Elk Does not have asbestos in it , does it?
You are suppose to be educated folks --- not copiers.
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CENSUS DATA CONFIRMS
NO CORRELATION BETWEEN SCHOOL
SPENDING AND ACHIEVEMENT
David Dorsey June 17, 2016 Education
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The U.S. Census Bureau recently released the 2014 education revenue and spending data for the fifty states and District of Columbia. The Census Bureau reports spending per-pupil using what they call "current spending,"* which allows state-to-state comparisons. Having such data enables an updated look at spending levels and student achievement.
Education Week publishes the annual Quality Counts report, which is a report card on the state of education for all 50 states and District of Columbia. The current, 20th annual edition, released earlier this year, relies heavily on the 2015 National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) results to calculate an achievement index for all 51 jurisdictions. Using 12 NAEP indicators (including how well low-income students performed), Quality Counts gives each state a score on a scale of 1 to 100.
Figure 1 is a scatterplot of the 50 states and D.C. for per-pupil spending (per the new census data) and 2015 NAEP index. It is yet another example of the absence of correlation between per-pupil spending and achievement. The trend line has virtually no slant, and the R2 value, a numeric representation of how close each plotted point is to the trend line, of 0.09 is lower than what is considered even a "weak" correlation. Evidence of a strong correlation would have a scatterplot with a much steeper trend line and a significantly higher R2 value. Here's the best example of the disconnect between spending and achievement: New York, the state with the highest per-pupil spending, had a lower NAEP index than the state with the lowest per-pupil spending, Utah. Utah's per-pupil spending is less than one-third of New York's. The District of Columbia, which had the second highest spending, had the fifth lowest achievement. The Kansas data point is the red starburst.
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An argument could be made that certainly states like New York, Alaska and Hawaii would spend much more per-pupil due to a higher cost of living in those states. The Missouri Economic Research and Information Center (MERIC), a division of the Missouri Department of Economic Development publishes a cost of living index for every state and D.C. When applying the most recent index (first quarter of 2016) to per-pupil spending the relationship between education spending and achievement is actually weaker. When making the cost of living adjustment Wyoming becomes the highest spending state and Hawaii is the lowest. Despite spending an adjusted amount nearly three times as much, Wyoming students barely exceed the performance of those in Hawaii. Conversely, Massachusetts, the highest performing state has an adjusted per-pupil spending only slightly higher than Mississippi, the lowest performing state. (Again, Kansas is the red starburst.)
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This lack of correlation between spending and achievement is a virtual mirror image of the one reported in this blog, a response to the Quality Counts report, in which NAEP scores were paired with state education spending as a percentage of total taxable resources.
For those in the education community who continue to bang the drum for money, what's the justification when it is clear that more money doesn't lead to higher ending and outcomes, let alone a causal relationship? (my emphasis)
*"Current Spending" is primarily direct expenditure for salaries, employee benefits, purchased professional and technical services, purchased property and other services, and supplies. It includes gross school system expenditure for instruction, support services, and noninstructional functions. It excludes expenditure for debt service, capital outlay, and reimbursement to other governments (including other school systems).
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Kansas House, Senate members ponder
constitutional amendments on education
Altering constitution to be a featured element
in special session on K-12 funding
Posted: June 16, 2016 - 5:05pm
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Foolishness is what this man is talking about!
Taj Mahals is what he is talking about.
Extravagance is what he is talking about.
Quote from the e-mail, " Basically, the local schools and their patrons are appropriating our tax dollars directly. One school board member, commenting on the extravagant new school facilities they recently built, said "I spend Johnson County money any time I can." Taxation without representation?"
This qualifies the Opposition Petitions that West Elk School District registered voters signed.
So far "We the People", the property taxpayers of West Elk have successfully avoided a lot of trouble by voicing our demands.
Now it's up to the school board to listen and work towards more effective and efficient use of their funding towards education
and a whole lot less towards extravagance. They should study the budget and their attitudes.Straight Talk from Senator Knox
The Mystery of School Finance Cuts
June 19, 2016
Public school administrators in Kansas have finally stopped denying the fact that school finance is at record high levels, but the mystery remains as to why the local districts seem to be struggling so.
When my local school districts complain about the lack of needed finances, I believe them. But they have never really shown me how this is the case when I see such large increases in funding, by their own reports. It has been a mystery to me, until now.
In an article written by Russell K. Miller, Assistant Superintendent at the Newton Public Schools, titled "Cuts to Public Education or More Money Than Ever?," he seeks to explain this mystery, pointing out that total funding is not all available for "general operations." This is exactly the point that the legislature has tried to address in recent years, seeking to increase flexibility in how districts can use their money and seeking to get more dollars "into the classroom."
The problem appears to arise from the old school finance formula, in which the state is statutorily required to equalize, or subsidize, local funds for various uses. I am not complaining about the equalization, as this was necessary under the old formula, to fund education fully and equitably across the state. The problem was that the state had no say in how much money was spent and in how it was spent. Perhaps an illustration is useful.
If an organization agreed to match your money so that you could build a much needed new house, perhaps you would be tempted to build a more extravagant house than you could afford to maintain. If you could afford to borrow $250,000, you might be tempted to build a house twice as big for $500,000, since it would only cost you half that amount. You might then, someday, find yourself in a circumstance where you were struggling to pay the utility bills. You had bitten off more than you could chew?
Many of my constituents see many of their local educational facilities this way, far more extravagant than necessary, and perhaps so strapped for funds that they can't afford necessities.
Meanwhile, the financing organization, the state, who is compelled by law to finance the choices of the districts, can't afford to cover the costs of necessities, because of the demand for extravagances. The whole budget becomes bloated.
Last fall I googled "Kansas school bond issue" and immediately over half a billion dollars in newly passed projects popped up. This is a huge amount of money that the state is obligated to spend. The legislature has no say in it. Basically, the local schools and their patrons are appropriating our tax dollars directly. One school board member, commenting on the extravagant new school facilities they recently built, said "I spend Johnson County money any time I can." Taxation without representation?
This situation has led us to our present quandary of continually increasing funding with apparently very limited amounts of this money getting to the classroom. Over the last year much work has been done in a concerted, joint effort, between legislative and education personnel, to create a new school funding formula that solves problems such as this. The original plan was that we fund schools with a block grant for two years and write a new formula in that time. We are now half way through this process and the Kansas Supreme Court has thrown a wrench in the gears. A special legislative session has now been called to address the court's decision. It will be impossible to solve these serious problems so quickly. I'm really not sure how this will turn out, but I will do my best to see that schools open and equity is achieved.
For more detailed information go to www.forrestknox.net or my Facebook page, Kansans for Knox.
Forrest Knox
Kansas Senate, District 14
17120 Udall Road, Altoona, KS 66710
Office: 785 296 7678
Home: 785 783 5564 Cellular: 620 636 0051
Email: forrest.knox@senate.ks.gov
senatorforrestknox@gmail.com
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And your point is?
Ross, did you ever think that they May Join a Major Company and start out in a Job that did not require a College Degree, but they no doubt will progress Faster because they have it. When I started With Phillips in 1970, I started in a job that did not require a College Dgree, but I had one and Progressed Rapidly to a Much Higher Level in the Company. In fact I was Head of the Midland Texas Crude oil Supply Office.Before that I worked out of the Home Office in Bartlesville Oklahoma and Traveled all OVER the World. ENOUGH SAID, good night all.
Quote from: proelkco on June 21, 2016, 07:31:58 PM
And your point is?
My point?
Did i make a point?
Or did USA Today make a point?
Are you offended by USA Todays point?
Quote from: frawin on June 21, 2016, 07:52:34 PM
Ross, did you ever think that they May Join a Major Company and start out in a Job that did not require a College Degree, but they no doubt will progress Faster because they have it. When I started With Phillips in 1970, I started in a job that did not require a College Dgree, but I had one and Progressed Rapidly to a Much Higher Level in the Company. In fact I was Head of the Midland Texas Crude oil Supply Office.Before that I worked out of the Home Office in Bartlesville Oklahoma and Traveled all OVER the World. ENOUGH SAID, good night all.
Well good for you, I'm very proud of you.
I did quite well with only a piss poor high school education, my real education started in the US Navy
abd I am proud of that fact.
But this is not the 1970's is it?
We live in a very different world today, don't we?
But really, no I did not consider what you are asking, I simply posted a fact pointed out by USA Today. nothing more.
I'm sorry if you are offended by USA Today. Where has all that open mindedness gone.
But since you make it a point about not needing a degree for a lot of jobs starting out.
I have to say, a lot of college graduates in the eighties worked as so called managers
in convenience stores earning little more than minimum wage. College is not the answer for everyone.
It's like the liberal that get's a degree in Humanities and can not find a job to match that degree
and blames everyone else for her poor choices, and
doesn't think she should have to pay the debt she ran up getting said degree.
There is more to life than a degree and many ways of being considered successful.
Even some wealthy people with degrees commit suicide, apparently they were not to successful !
Money helps but it is not the cure for everything!
Just look at the very successful Hillary Clinton with her Law degree and as corrupt as can be.
Oh well, it was only USA Today's point, not mine.
Good night, I just finished putting in a long day haying my little retirement farm and enjoying my success.
Ross as usual you missed the whole point of my Post. I never said I was offended, I just made a Post, I like Many on the Forum learned along time ago to not read your Postings, the only reason I read this one is because it was in response to my earlier Post on the same Subject. I we, rarely even look at the Forum anymore, like most of the people I know. You and Redcliffe are almost the only Posters on the Forum. Your use of Profanity on the Forum is Rude in my Opinion, you could have made your Point without that. To all my friends and Family in Howard and Elk County HAVE A GREAT DAY. I Graduated from College without any Student Loans or Government Money, my wife and I both Worked and had 1 Baby at the time, we got along fine.
Quote from: frawin on June 22, 2016, 05:56:49 AM
Ross as usual you missed the whole point of my Post. I never said I was offended, I just made a Post, I like Many on the Forum learned along time ago to not read your Postings, the only reason I read this one is because it was in response to my earlier Post on the same Subject. I we, rarely even look at the Forum anymore, like most of the people I know. You and Redcliffe are almost the only Posters on the Forum. Your use of Profanity on the Forum is Rude in my Opinion, you could have made your Point without that. To all my friends and Family in Howard and Elk County HAVE A GREAT DAY. I Graduated from College without any Student Loans or Government Money, my wife and I both Worked and had 1 Baby at the time, we got along fine.
Give me a break with the whinny liberal crap. You asked me if I thought, " they may join a major company and no I did not.
You missed two points the post was simply a picture from USA Today. Not my personal opinion.
The poster represented a survey, again not my personal opinion.
You started a job that did not require a degree in 1970.
Two more points you missed.
This was about people that already have degrees and this is not 1970.
One more point it is reported that there are 94 million workers no longer working.
And not listed as unemployed.
You keep saying you have a degree. Put it to work.
You keep saying no one else posts on the forum, You are wrong,
Check the forum Web Stats.
Stop trying to censor the forum and get active, use that degree instead of whining.
Good Day, I am headed out for a job interview.
Yea, no degree, 70 years old, and job interview. Sounds like fun huh!
Ross what Whinny Liberal Crap. I am probably more a Conservative that you are or ever will be. I am POSITIVE that many if not most of them joined a Major Company. Ross tell me how many people are posting on the Forum. There are Days when only you and Redcliffe and maybe one or two others do. I am not trying to Censor the Forum. I am 75 Years YOUNG and I still have my own Oil and Gas Marketing Company. I was the youngest of 15 in my Family. My Dad worked all of us from the 1st Grade on. I think everyday I am going to Post how Many Times you and Redcliffe post and how many others post. ENOUGH SAID
Quote from: frawin on June 22, 2016, 05:13:38 PM
Ross what Whinny Liberal Crap. I am probably more a Conservative that you are or ever will be. I am POSITIVE that many if not most of them joined a Major Company. Ross tell me how many people are posting on the Forum. There are Days when only you and Redcliffe and maybe one or two others do. I am not trying to Censor the Forum. I am 75 Years YOUNG and I still have my own Oil and Gas Marketing Company. I was the youngest of 15 in my Family. My Dad worked all of us from the 1st Grade on. I think everyday I am going to Post how Many Times you and Redcliffe post and how many others post. ENOUGH SAID
I am so impressed !
Not!
You seem to think things work the same way today as they worked in the 1970's per your own statements.
I post information I think might be of interest to some people, not all the people.
But when you insinuate that the poster from USA Today is my opinion, you might be wrong.
When you try to impress me with your money, well that's a total mistake.
Money does not mean you are right.
Use that degree to start a thread and post your heart out.
The forum is available for that purpose, for your use and you can keep your money, it's free.
Just be thankful it is available .
And by they way, who forces you to read my crap? Who?
There are plenty of other threads and subjects for you to read, it is your choice.
I never ask anyone to believe anything i post, I only ask that they consider what I post concerning Elk County
politics and talk about it. Nothing more.
I also admit I am human and subject to making errors.
So have a good day and post what ever triggers your happiness.
A poem for our local Socialists.
I thought you might enjoy this 1949 piece of wisdom.
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An excellent article for School Boards
Teachers
Citizens
in my opinion !
We The People have spoke to our school board with an Opposition Petition telling them to bring any tax hike to the voters.
Did they do it ?
NO !Why not?
Because they do not respect,
"We The People" in my opinion !
the other reason is because they know they will be told
NO !
Because they are wasteful with our money !
And their reaction was that of
a spoiled child, in my opinion !
They came back with another attempt with a second Resolution in the newspaper
attempting to
evade,
"We The People" !
They failed a second time, but will they learn
or continue to
behave like spoiled children?************************************************************************
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LOCAL CONTROL IS ABOUT CITIZENS,
NOT GOVERNMENT
Dave Trabert July 4, 2016 Education
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This 240th anniversary of our nation's independence seems an appropriate day to discuss the meaning of local control as envisioned by the founders. Cities, counties and local school boards seem to believe local control means that local government is in charge. But Abraham Lincoln said it best in his Gettysburg Address: ours is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Local control is about citizens, not local government.
Olathe school board member LeEtta Felter recently attempted to make a case that the founders intended that state governments should not interfere with local governments.
She did so in rejecting suggestions that Kansans in general and the Legislature in particular have any right to expect a school district to operate efficiently, as though 'local control' is a trump card that allows a school board to do whatever it desires with other people's money.
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We'll review the specific efficiency issues 20138063 - illustration of statue of liberty on american flag background for independence dayshortly but first let's examine the relevant sections of the U.S. and Kansas constitutions. The 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution clearly defines what is within the purview of the federal government but says all remaining powers are reserved for the states or the people. In other words, the U.S. Constitution does not grant any authority to cities, counties and school boards, but to the states and the people.
Now let's look at the Kansas Constitution. Article 2, Section 21 Delegation of powers of local legislation and administration says, "The legislature may confer powers of local legislation and administration upon political subdivisions." Simply put, the Kansas Constitution doesn't confer any special authority on cities and counties; even their very existence must be provided by the Legislature. Article 6, Section 5 does establish local school boards but much of their authority to act comes from the Legislature: "When authorized by law, such boards may make and carry out agreements for cooperative operation and administration of educational programs under the general supervision of the state board of education, but such agreements shall be subject to limitation, change or termination by the legislature." Much of what a local school board is authorized to do is granted by the Legislature, including the power to tax and charge fees.
Article 6, Section 6 says the Legislature must make suitable provision for finance of the state's educational interests but it does not say that schools must be given extra money to operate inefficiently. The authority to appropriate is constitutionally vested solely in the Legislature and in the absence of prohibition on taking efficiency into account, the Legislature may do so. Accordingly, when the Legislature engages in educational matters or issues related to cities and counties, it is not eroding local control but exercising its constitutional authority. So in a way, those who say local government should be left to do as it wishes are inadvertently advocating against the Kansas Constitution.
Ms. Felter strenuously objected to these suggestions KPI offered to reduce costs and put the savings toward instruction and better teacher pay:
Provide maintenance, transportation, food service, accounting, HR, IT, payroll, personnel, etc. through regional service centers.
Require purchase of commodities, equipment, insurance, technology, curriculum, etc. from a statewide procurement system to give all districts the same price.
Make eligibility for Bond & Interest Aid subject to review by an independent panel to ensure that citizens outside a district are not forced to pay for excess capacity, higher than normal construction costs, building smaller facilities that increase district operating and construction costs over more efficient, somewhat larger facilities, etc.
Outsource functions to the private sector (with the better service, better price approach) to reduce operating and KPERS costs.
Ms. Felter believes these suggestions intrude upon the school board's local control; she contends they should be able to spend more than necessary if they so choose and that citizens across Kansas should be taxed more or funds taken from other government services to accommodate their excess spending. In essence, she and many others who share her belief want a modern-day version of taxation without representation. It's one thing to decide how wisely or foolishly to spend money collected from residents within a district, but only a fraction of school aid is raised within a local district.[ii]
Local control is increasingly being used as a convenient shield by special interests in contradiction of the U.S. and Kansas constitutions. The Kansas National Education Association (KNEA teacher union) espouses the virtues of local control – except when local control interferes with their interests. They oppose local school boards being able to hire teachers who don't have a degree in education (professional chemists and mathematicians, for example, are less likely to join a union in a right-to-work state). KNEA opposed granting school boards local control over due process, preferring state-mandated procedures that made it more difficult for local school boards to discipline or dismiss employees, and they were outraged at the suggestion that teachers be allowed to vote on whether to retain a union.
Cities and counties also oppose citizens being able to vote on property tax increases. Taxpayer outrage over enormous tax increases prompted the Legislature to allow citizens to decide whether, with some exceptions, property taxes should increase by more than inflation. Local elected officials say citizens can vote them out of office if they think taxes are too high but the power of incumbency renders that option largely moot.
Government doesn't have dominion over citizens in this country, and for the sake of our republic, let's hope it stays that way.
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Ms. Felter's statements occurred in an email exchange with the author, with copies to all Olathe school board members and a citizen who posed some school spending questions to Olathe school board president Joe Beveridge. Mr. Beveridge's response (in which he copied the entire Olathe school board) was forwarded to KPI for verification; we responded with data from Olathe's financial statements and personnel reports that contradicted several statements by Mr. Beveridge. His response (again copying all board members) requested cost saving suggestions from KPI, to which Ms. Felter strenuously objected and made her local control comments. By copying all board members in their replies, Mr. Beveridge and Ms. Felter may have violated the Kansas Open Meetings Act (KOMA) which prohibits 'serial meetings.'
[ii] Only 26% of per-pupil aid is attributable to Local aid on average in Kansas; USD 233 Olathe gets 29% from Local aid. A pro rata portion of State and Federal aid can be attributed to district residents but the majority of aid still comes from residents outside a local district.
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I took a little trip to Howard to the County Court House this morning,
I have had a nagging question on my mind for a few days and I had to find an answer.
I asked for copies of all forms filed by West Elk USD-282 last year raising our property taxes 6.377 mills.
The "Resolution", the legal document was printed in the Prairie Star on July 22nd and again on July 29th, 2015, not to exceed 5 years and not to exceed 8 mills.
Well the Property tax hike of 6.377 mills happened and was certified, documented and attested to by our County Clerk on August 25th, 2015.
Less than the 40 days allowed by the Legal Document.
You count the number of days from July 22, 2015 to August 25, 2016, yep, I was still collecting your signatures.
I have in my possession copies of all documents.
Now the point is the Resolution by law allows for 40 days from the first posting in the News paper to complete an Opposition Petition. A
And folks we did exactly that. We completed the Opposition Petition successfully.
Now I ask you is this a form of corruption?
Is this theft of your money by illegally taxing your property?
Do you feel the School Board has any respect for you?
Do you think someone should raise a big stink?
Is it possible the School Board has the School Finances in trouble to go to such measures of cheating you the taxpayer and voter?
Do you even care? It is your bank account, It is your check book they are taking money from! Do you even care?
Let's hear from you ! You know where I stand!
The School Board is not made up of leaders, it is madee up of people we are suppose to be abel to trust to do the bidding of
"We The People"
Please review the post about
"LOCAL CONTROL IS ABOUT CITIZENS, NOT GOVERNMENT"
posted directly above this post!
I like the majority of the decisions the West Elk School Board has been making. I think they respect my opinions.
It looks like you are a supporter of government controlled schools. Why is that?
Quote from: Mom70x7 on July 05, 2016, 10:16:36 PM
I like the majority of the decisions the West Elk School Board has been making. I think they respect my opinions.
Really, but we are not discussing the majority of their decisions are we?
Have you been to any recent School Board meetings to observe first hand how they make their decisison?
Do you also like having them lie to you and stealing from your bank account?
Do you Remember, when the Superintendent said, they only wanted and voted to take only 1 mill ?
Do You think they made good decisions to shut down both Grade Schools?
Do You think they made good decisions to waste in excessive of $100,000.00 plus on architects, not once but twice, know the voters would say no?
Do You think they made good decisions to buy portable buildings?
Do you think it was a good decision to purchase portable buildings?
Do you think it was a good decision not to follow the laws associated with the Legal Document in they posted newpaper? Yes the "Respolution" !
Just asking .
I have a very busy day of personal business to tend today So I won't be back to respond until late in the day, if even then.
Have a great day folks.
I do no believe a Resolution has to be published. It is in effect upon signature. Publishing is only a courtesy to the public.
It is not like an Ordinance which does have x amount of days after its last publication.
I might be wrong.
ready
We are dealing with publicly owned property and a Kansas Legal Document.
The school district is required by law to publish their Resolution twice, one week apart.
The Resolution it's self is a legal document.
That Legall document allows for an Oposition Petition which is also a legal document that must be notarized.
The Resolution allows for 40 days to put together a legal document called an Opposition Petition.
Which disallows them from legally using this resolution to raise property taxes, and tells the to put it on the ballot to be voted on.
So they illegally raised or property taxes last year by using the Opposition Petition or by raising the taxes above the legal amount Mr. MOORE has stated numerous times at school board meetings of 4 mill.
If you think your school board is being respectful, then Hillary must be right and people should shut up and praise her and Bill as very honest people.
So does anyone believe th School Board is like Hillary Clinton and above the Law?
Does anyone believe the School Board should be permitted to steal money from every property owner in this fashion?
Should the School Board be honest and return the stole money?
Does anyone reading this have any suggestions?
Who of you condone theft by breaking the law in this manner?
Why is everyone bashful all of a sudden?
I everyone afraid of the so called elite?
You do understand they are driving people to sell out and leave Elk County ?
I spoke to a gentleman that has lived here for more than 3 decades and he is considering selling and getting out.
It is caused by the greed and ugliness and the dishonesty that happens around here that is causing the declie of population in Elk County.
(The ugliess was when Dollar General wanted to open in Howard and all the threats that were floating around when the dollar store opened, the stupidity of Howard trying to extend their city limits out to encompass West Elk for no other reason than greed. They think if it is called Howeird West Elk people will move to Howard and bring money into their town. Just plain ignorance.)
And now the supposed creme de la creme of Elk County are stealing from the residence.
And none of you care, is that it?
!
Well I care and i want my money back and a written public apology in the Prairie Star.
Don't you?
I know you School Board Members and School Superintendent are reading this and I would like to hear
your explanations concerning the property tax hike filed with the County Clerk prior to the legal 40 day waiting period laid out
by the Resolution you authorized to be posted in the paper last summer.
I am seriously considering having a talk with Attorney General Derek Schmidt concerning this situation and other matters concerning the West Elk School Board.
Unless you can convince me, that you will correct this situation and return the stolen property tax moneys and provide a written apology to all the taxpayers you have harmed I have no other option i can think of at the moment. It's up to you !
I do not represent anyone or any organization and all statements on this forum are my own opinion. and mine alone !
Is our School Board going to remain corrupt? Just asking!
I stand corrected. My apologies.
however: quote: " If you think your school board is being respectful, then Hillary must be right and people should shut up and praise her and Bill as very honest people." unquote
This was uncalled for...has nothing to do with your petition and the school board...mixing up the threads??
Rosser...you have calmed down, and it is good to see for a discussion. And, then....lol
ready
Quote from: readyaimduck on July 06, 2016, 08:40:40 PM
I stand corrected. My apologies.
however: quote: " If you think your school board is being respectful, then Hillary must be right and people should shut up and praise her and Bill as very honest people." unquote
This was uncalled for...has nothing to do with your petition and the school board...mixing up the threads??
Rosser...you have calmed down, and it is good to see for a discussion. And, then....lol
ready
As far as my calming down, I don't have anyone calling me names or threatening me. That makes it easy to be decent.
You are entitled to your opinion ready and i respect that.
The remark about about Hillary was not directed towards you. But it is my opinion that wrong is wrong whether school board or Hillary.
Nothing more.
Good Night
It's past this old mans bed time.
School Board Dweeb Meeting was Tonight !
Dr. Black was a no show.
Yes, Dweebs, because they are totally controlled !
How in the world can I say that ?
Well, the School Superintendent sits right there ate the head of the Board beside the President of the Board.
And the Principle sits at the other end of the table! Only elected board members should be setting at that table.
So anyway, the Superintendent at one point took Control of the board Meeting asked for someone to make a motion to keep Matt Hilton as the Board President and someone did and there was a second and a unanimous vote to keep Matt Hilton as President. I believe the proper way would have been the President of the Board to ask for nominations for the President of the Board Position. It is the President of the Board's job to run the meeting not the Superintendent's job. These people act like it is a Superintendents meeting rather than a Board meeting. The dweeb's don't seem to understand that the Superintendent works for them and that they are not children in school under his tutelage.
The Superintendent did the exact same thing for the, I guess Assistant President of the Board. Talk about total control. No body will say no to him. So anyway Matt Hilton remains the president of the Board thanks to the Superintendents control of the Board and Hilton remains the Superintendents Trainee. Not Educated but trained.
The County Commissioner Kaminska was called on from the audience to speak as an open forum speaker.
Now if you or I want to speak to the board the rules say we have to give two weeks notice and be placed on the Agenda. County Commissioner Kaminska was not on the agenda and was permitted to speak. How's that for double standards? She was there to discuss a communications tower that the school uses to communicate over radios in the buses and such. The County wants to lease that land it is on and to tear the tower down and have a new tower built for $84,000,00 so the county can use it for fire and emergency radio's. She said the school would need to update their equipment.
The Superintendent said they are budgeting for 350 students.
We should have only about 300 students.
I wonder where they are getting the extra 50 students.
I asked someone at break and I was told Grenola and Fall River.
Fall River is a half hour drive and an extra 25 miles of driving expense for a bus.
Grenola is a 50 mile drive and an extra 45 miles of driving expense for a bus.
This does not include time stopping and idling and loading kids, that is extra time and extra gas expense.
And if you recall the Superintendent told us in the newspaper it cost $8000.00 a year to educated these kids.
So if they get 50 out of district students that is going to cost the property owner taxpayer an additional $400,000.00. How neat is that ! I don't suppose that includes the wear and tear on buses and gasoline costs, do you reckon?
Superintendent Moore read small portions of each of the Board Policy Updates, even though each Board Member received copies they themselves could read. Some thing just had wording changes. For instance where ever they use to use the word gun, it is now changed to weapon. He said a two inch pocke knife, an ink pen or a chair used in a threatening means will be called a weapon.
As always, because they speak among-st themselves and at a low volume of speech I did not hear what it was about but the Superintendent said 6 mil's equals $120,000. since property values have been increased by the state.
That's all i have for you this evening.
Goodnight everyone.
Grenola is not 50 miles
Quote from: proelkco on July 12, 2016, 08:11:10 PM
Grenola is not 50 miles
Thank you for pointing out my mistake.
Yep, I'm human !
I don't know how a made such a blunder!
NO excuses.
Mapquest says it is 22min 17.5 miles to Howard but again that does not take in various pick up spots.
Mapquest says it is 21min 18.9 miles to Howard but again that does not take in various pick up spots.
I stand corrected.
Thanks again.
Well, I did it for you and me ! Because "We the People' deserve better and our
children deserve better !
I sent of three packages of information, questions and
documentation to the Kansas Attorney General, the Kansas State Department of Education and the Kansas State Governor.
I have asked that the illegal tax increase be returned to all of the taxpayers and a written apology in the Prairie Star.
I asked that and much more.
So who of the elite is going to organize my tar and feathering party?
I have already invited a few of my friends to attend.
I will stand by my convictions.
Last nights forum of folks running for office was calm and well handled by Doug Ritz ?
I'm not gonna discuss the forum although it went very well in my opinion and that Doug Ritz did an exceptional job MC'ing it. Especially he had a last minute notification that he would be doing so.
What I do want to share with you is, I appreciate each and every person that spoke with me about the Opposition Petition's for last summer and this spring. I am grateful for the thank you's, I received.
I spent a lot of time and money doing all that work, neither of which bothered me. Well, last summer a man handed me $20 and said this is to help with your gas and I was flabbergasted and tried to refuse the money. But he would not take no for an answer.
Last night, I was handed another $20 and I was told this to help with all the gas you used. I was floored. I'm not use to anyone giving me money and I don't even know if I said thank you. I told the gentleman that would offset my expense of sending out those 3 envelopes that cost $8.40 each.
Surprise - Surprise, I got home and was telling my wife about the $20 bill and I pulled it out of my shirt pocket to show it to her and my mouth fell open when I unfolded the bill, it was
2 $20 dollar bills.
Sir, I thank you for your generosity.
I am just a crazy retired old fart living on social security and a small retirement check so your contribution and the other mans contribution are much appreciated. And to the folks that thanked me, while signing the Opposition Petitions, those thank you's were invaluable,
they kept me going. I never once gave any thought to my out of pocket expense, my main thought was about the elderly
of Elk County that can not afford these outrageous property taxes.
Now, I have to make a confession, I have been wrong about West Elk raising our property taxes every year.
That was the only place, I could figure the tax hikes were coming from. Well, I discovered where the hidden tax increases came from.
When the state wants more property tax, they don't raise the mill rate. They raise our property values.
When they raise our property values each mill is worth more dollars. It is the same as raising property taxes for every government item listed on your tax form at the end of the year.
That means that all school districts and all county and all city governments automatically get a hike in the amount of dollars they take in.
Even though, Elk County Government has lowered the mil rate they tax us for, the dollar amount out of our pockets goes up. West Elk never lowered their mil rate which means every time our property values go up, so does the amount of money West Elk takes in. If we were permitted to see the total amount of money West Elk gets from our total property taxes we would see that change in the $ amount.
After last nights Forum and listening to Mr. Hebb, I believe it was he that said, about the so called, "Wind Farm" money, that the State lets us have that money. And if a new governor gets voted in, we could lose that "Wind Farm" money. That would be up to the new Governor, as he would have the right to stop that money to Elk County. BIG OUCH !
It was said, the cost of operating the County has gone up from $3 million to about $5 million and that the county should be saving some of that money! I totally agree they should be saving money for possible hard times ahead.
It was said that the "Wind Farm" money for this year is already gone.
And I do believe the County still has outstanding debt.
So, why are two out of three Elk County Commissioners playing
Socialist's and giving money away?
Why does the Elk County Commissioners claim they have an obligation to the community's !
Their first and only obligation is to all the citizens that pay property taxes,
not the city Governments,
no matter how they twist it.
The Cities property owners are taxed by the County for the very same services you and I are taxed.
And therefore are not
"ENTITLED" to any more than you or I are entitled to.
What I see happening is
Konnected Kounty Kommissioner Kominska is making points with some people by doing them this favor and I wonder what favors she might be getting in return?
Or is it that giving away 100,000.00 Dollars simply makes her feel important.
Just remember this stuff, if we get a new Governor and he decides the State needs that "Wind Farm" money more that Elk County does and he takes the money for the state.
Kansas
IS having financial problems!
What kind of financial problems do you think Elk County will have if we lose that tax money to the state.
ORWhat if a tornado were to wipe out the "Wind Farm" ?What
contingency plan do the County Commissioners have?
NONEThe tax breaks, the county has given us would go away and property taxes would sky rocket, as I see it.
I love this little county, because we are isolated, but not too isolated.
We have beautiful rolling hills and beautiful flat grazing lands,
And sort of a shelter from tornadoes, according to some student meteorologists that visited my little farm, during a severe storm watch. They said the terrain to the south west of us probably protects us. I have watched many a severe storm coming from that direction and they split and go around us and then come back together as they continue north west. I've watched it live on weather radar numerous times.
I also like the people, the majority of people in Elk County are exceptionally friendly.
I hope every one has a great weekend!
My sincerest thanks to each of you.
I would like you to explain how the state could seize the PILOT money paid to the county.
Brownback has already taken money from several landowners who leased ground to Enel for phase two of the wind farm project, which was already planned and environmental studies completed, ready to begin after phase one was complete. Phase two was shut down by the governor after being lobbied by the Nature Conservancy and in particular, Mr Devlin, who fought the entire project from the beginning. Phase two would have placed turbines very close to property he and his buddies own.
The landowners make money from their property leased to Enel, but that land is also taxed heavier than it would be as agricultural land. The money paid to the county is less than it would normally pay as a business of that size, ergo the deal made for payment in lieu of taxes. Not very hard to understand the reasoning.
What the government could do at some point is take away the subsidies that Enel recieves. Not very likely.
If so about Devlin, he's standing against government supported industry and there's certainly nothing wrong with what he supposedly did.
The American economy is based upon government grants and subsidies. Who gets it?
Why aren't more Americans standing for liberty?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 16, 2016, 12:17:43 PM
I would like you to explain how the state could seize the PILOT money paid to the county.
Brownback has already taken money from several landowners who leased ground to Enel for phase two of the wind farm project, which was already planned and environmental studies completed, ready to begin after phase one was complete. Phase two was shut down by the governor after being lobbied by the Nature Conservancy and in particular, Mr Devlin, who fought the entire project from the beginning. Phase two would have placed turbines very close to property he and his buddies own.
The landowners make money from their property leased to Enel, but that land is also taxed heavier than it would be as agricultural land. The money paid to the county is less than it would normally pay as a business of that size, ergo the deal made for payment in lieu of taxes. Not very hard to understand the reasoning.
What the government could do at some point is take away the subsidies that Enel recieves. Not very likely.
I think what I stated from the Candidates Forum said enough. Beyond that I have no knowledge.
Quote from: ROSS on July 15, 2016, 02:43:41 PM
After last nights Forum and listening to Mr. Hebb, I believe it was he that said, about the so called, "Wind Farm" money, that the State lets us have that money. And if a new governor gets voted in, we could lose that "Wind Farm" money. That would be up to the new Governor, as he would have the right to stop that money to Elk County. BIG OUCH !
Liberty to me in this case would be the state not telling landowners what they can or can't do with their property. Which is exactly what they did.
West Elk USD- 282 SCHOOL BOARD MINUTES
http://westelk.us/school-board-minutes/
I believe I told you while collecting signatures for the Opposition Petition I saw and spoke with the President of
the School Board Mr. Hilton and joked with him about signing the Opposition Petition. After he finished shopping i the Dollar General and came back outside, we visited for a short time. Mr. Hilton informed me he was the only member of the board that voted against the petition. I have told many people this story but always closed that story saying I'd have to see that in writing, in the minutes. Well, it wasn't so! Read it for yourself. I call it like it is, I am not politically correct for an instant. A lie is a lie,
MINUTES-of the Special Board Meeting, Thursday, July 16, 2015 @ 8:00 p.m. at the West Elk District Office.
BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT ADMINISTRATION OTHERS
Matthew C. Hilton, President Bert Moore, Supt/Director of SPED
Dr. Robert Black (8:02 p.m.)
Martin Burke, Principal
Tyson Denton
Paula McAlister, Clerk/Business Mgr.
Penny Swanson
BOARD MEMBER ABSENTShelly Hare
Angela Allen, Vice-President
At
8:02 p.m., President Hilton called the meeting to order by reciting the Pledge of Allegiance.
III. DISCUSSION/ACTION ITEMS:
A. 2015-16 Capital Outlay Resolution:
After discussion,
Black moved to authorize publication of the following Resolution to Levy Tax for Capital Outlay Fund authorizing up to 8 mills of budget authority not to exceed 5 years:
Denton seconded the motion and motion passed.
(4-0)( four board members present ------- four board members voted for the resolution!
Tilton Hilton lied to me. In today's world it's accepted to be PC and almost a requirement for politicians to lie.)At 8:20 p.m.
Hilton adjourned the meeting.
Also during my visit with Mr. Hilton, I asked about the treatment of Mr. Harrod over the football field crowning and he said,
"Mr. Harrod did not deliver what he was told to deliver!" Now it is my opinion since there was no written contract, I assume all Mr. Harrod was told, was to crown the field. And I say this, because the maintenance man apparently did not understand fill soil and ran straight to the School Board with out talking to Mr. Harrod. And i feel safe to assume the School Board did not understand fill soil because there was no board discussion about it. Just Wham Bam get your dirt off our grounds.
Mr. Hilton commented their were rocks in the dirt. I said, yes and Mr. Harrod had someone who was to spread and clean it.
Mr. Hilton said, yes but they can't get all the little rocks out of it and they will come to the surface. Folks I seriously doubt that dirt they paid an extreme amount for is totally rock free. Seriously, Just think about it.
Is Hilton a communist or nazi? Or do people even care anymore?
How can folks pretend to be Americans and trust these parasites?
Good morning folks,
Rumor has it that, the county put out bids on remodeling the old nursing home and on those bids they supposedly stated they had $400,000.00 ! I have never heard of telling bidders how much money you have to spend. It doesn't like good business practice to me.
They got supposedly received bids back a and again supposedly the lowest bid came back at $800,000.00.
Looks like it would be a good idea about this time to tear down the albatross and do a new building, doesn't it?
Would the new building have to be a big fancy building ?
Not in my opinion?
How about you, what do you think?
HOW ABOUT:Something small by sufficient to take care of the EMS people.
Something conservative.
Something cost effective.
Something for EMS only. After all that was the main reason for building in the beginning.
They don't need to act like it is a bill going before Congress and keep adding extra's to the bill in order to get them passed do they?
We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily and none has been saved for possible major problems. And not all of the coun ty bills have been paid off.
SO
Do you reckon the County Board could increase their conservative attitude a bit more?
And leave the Liberal attitude at home?
Perhaps no more giving away taxpayer dollars in a Liberal Socialist manner !
Now you are really going off the deep end.
"Rumor has it". What, no factual evidence?
" We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily". Who is "we" and what facts do you have to support such a statement. All I have seen you offer is hearsay and conjecture.
Tear down a perfectly good building. Now that would be a really smart move. What do you think the cost of demolition and new construction would be?
You need to stick with factual statements and forget about offering statements with no facts to back them up. You obviously don't know much about building construction I'm sad to say.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 22, 2016, 11:19:03 AM
Now you are really going off the deep end.
"Rumor has it". What, no factual evidence?
" We have learned we could lose the PILOT money very easily". Who is "we" and what facts do you have to support such a statement. All I have seen you offer is hearsay and conjecture.
Tear down a perfectly good building. Now that would be a really smart move. What do you think the cost of demolition and new construction would be?
You need to stick with factual statements and forget about offering statements with no facts to back them up. You obviously don't know much about building construction I'm sad to say.
I did not want to tell any lies and conjecture is right.
So what is there to be upset with?
Where do you get a perfectly good building out of something that needs $800,000.00 dollars to fix up?
If it were a perfectly good building why would Howard give it up for nothing? Wouldn't it be worth a lot of money?
You know, like the grade schools that West Elk gave away? Perfectly good buildings. That will probably go the way of the old school building that was in the center of Howard. It was an eyesore for years, wasn't?
I feel pretty certain the rumor has some basis and people will be learning of it soon enough !
I'm sorry you took it personal. I wish you took the waste of county taxpayers money and giving taxpayers money away.
In the mean time some people might like a heads up, so as to be able to give the matter some thought before it actually happens.
Just open for discussion!
Let's hang loose and see what transpires.
What does it cost per square foot to build a masonry structure?
Does the floor plan of a nursing home not require remodeling to be repurposed?
Why do you think repurposing an existing building is a waste of taxpayer money? Donald Trump has made billions doing that very thing.
Where do you get that I'm upset, just for asking for factual answers to questions? Isn't that one of your trademark pieces of rhetoric? Asking for answers to your questions?
I certainly don't take any of your remarks personally. I do take what happens in my community personally.
You often times border on prevarication with your inuendos. One reason some say you are full of it. You do well when you offer facts from truth, but when you make assumptions ::)
Bullwinkle, I don't know who you are, but I like your Style. Keep on Keeping on.
Quote from: frawin on July 23, 2016, 09:53:57 AM
Bullwinkle, I don't know who you are, but I like your Style. Keep on Keeping on.
Why am I not surprised?
Now that's a rhetorical Question? LOL
First off Bullwinkle, I did start out simply sharing a rumor and I quote.
Quote from: ROSS on July 22, 2016, 09:59:02 AM
Rumor has it that,
There is no prevarication or innuendos in that, now is there? Just honesty! Saying it is a rumor !
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
What does it cost per square foot to build a masonry structure?
The cost per square foot can very greatly $100 to $200 per square foot and with construction cost continuously rising possibly even more.
However:Based on what the County Commissioners said at their meeting the cost of the new building they wanted to put in at the rodeo grounds was $800, 000.00. That is a reality and to pay the same amount to renovate an old building of which half of they said would be sealed off, make no sense to me. Oh, the cost at the nursing home would included a new garage for the ambulances.
Why does it have to be a masonry building? Why not a metal building?
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
Does the floor plan of a nursing home not require remodeling to be repurposed?
No argument there, it in fact would require remodeling.
But how can you compare an old building being renovated at
$800, 000.00 to
the
$800, 000.00 for a new building which included room for other services.
The new building plan the county commissioners came up with was quite extravagant in my opinion.
Extravagance in an un-necessary expense, in my opinion.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
Why do you think repurposing an existing building is a waste of taxpayer money? Donald Trump has made billions doing that very thing.
First
Donald Trump is not on the County Commissioners Board
Second Donald Trump may have re-purposed the buildings for someone interested in buying them completed?
Third none of his buildings are in Elk County
Forth those buildings are in highly populated areas, where there are plenty of people to sell to.
Finally Trump is not a government spending my money.
Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
Where do you get that I'm upset, just for asking for factual answers to questions? Isn't that one of your trademark pieces of rhetoric? Asking for answers to your questions?
No sir, I do not employ rhetoric, not my trade mark. You might think so, but that would be your personal opinion, which you are entitled to have. And that is fine with me.
employed for rhetorical effect; especially : asked merely for effect with no answer expected <a rhetorical question> I don't ask questions wanting them to go unanswered !
Unless it is like the one asked above about frawin's input. Quote from: Bullwinkle on July 23, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
I certainly don't take any of your remarks personally. I do take what happens in my community personally.
You often times border on prevarication with your inuendos. One reason some say you are full of it. You do well when you offer facts from truth, but when you make assumptions ::)
What assumption have I made by stating, "rumor has it" ?
To attempt to make a statement of a rumor as being prevarication with innuendos, it sure sounds like you took it personal.
Or, is it you don't believe in people discussing what is going on in their community and how their money might end up being spent and/or wasted?
Prevaricate and its synonyms "lie" and "equivocate" all refer to playing fast and loose with the truth. "Lie" is the bluntest of the three. When you accuse someone of lying, you are saying he or she was intentionally dishonest, no bones about it. "Prevaricate" is less accusatory and softens the bluntness of "lie," usually implying that someone is evading the truth rather than purposely making false statements. "Equivocate" is similar to "prevaricate," but it generally implies that someone is deliberately using words that have more than one meaning as a way to conceal the truth. I did not see where you refered to the West Elk School Superintendent's refering to rumors in his open letter to the public as being prevarication with inuendos. We had a woman in Delaware that operated just like you are now, I thought that was over, but I guess I was wrong, attempts at censorshp will never end.
Hanf right in there Frawin!
Comparing my comments to your good friend from Delaware is quite laughable.
The county investing money in repurposing a building they already have is no different than if it is done by an individual, except that the taxpayers benefit from the investment. A masonry building requires much less maintenance than any other form of building. That is why most schools, office buildings, etc are masonry. Your figure of $800,000 for remodeling is, by your own admission, rumor. There are many possible uses for the part of the building not designated for the EMS.
Tearing down a perfectly sound building to erect a cheaper one in it's place is not very smart. The old school building was structurally sound, it needed a roof and windows to be weatherproof. Ask Harrod's the effort it took to demo it. It's owners were unwilling to invest any money in it, so like an old homestead, it was torn down, in many cases to not be paying taxes on something not being used.
All you have to do is provide some real facts, if and when you have them. Good that you know how to use a dictionary. You, in fact, have asked questions with a tag line stating you didn't expect any answers, ergo, rhetorical questions.
Don't get your panties in a wad when you are yourself asked questions.... That you have no answers for, yet.
As I said you are entitled to your opinion just as everyone else is, so carry on!
But just what do you know about my panties? You been peeking?
What color are your panties? I What color are your panties! Now that's really rhetorical.
ROFLMAO
Sorry you can't deal with a rumor. Rumors are not based on fact.
but let's just wait and see what happen's. Okay!
I think we can agree to disagree?
Politic's is politic's.
Hey, don't stick me in this, I haven't said a word.
.
A million laughs to day.
Bull, how are taxpayers going to benefit from the "investment"?
I'm thinking that Americans ought to have a government that stays out of their lives.
No government investments, no tyranny.
I submitted a FOIA to West Elk asking for the invoice for the crowning of the football field, because I had been told they paid $25 to $30,000 and I wanted to know the truth.
I just received this in the mail.
Here is what I learned:
Sunflower Farms of Cherryvale, Ks was apparently commissioned to use processed sandy-loam at the cost of $8,000.00 and the labor was $12,000 for a total of $20,000.00. Not near as much as was rumored but still almost three times what Harrod was charging without any form of contract and possibly without any specifications.
Is it worth it?
Was it worth telling a School Booster we don't like your work, without knowing what he was doing for a major loss of income?
Is it worth it over a couple of possible pebbles.
Not in my opinion !
When do they hang the chandeliers ? (sarcasm)
Characteristics of Sandy Loam Soil
ClassificationSandy loam soils are broken down into four categories, including coarse sandy loam, fine sandy loam, sandy loam and very fine sandy loam. The size of the sand particles is measured in millimeters and their concentration in the soil is used to determine which category a soil falls under. Sandy loam soils are made of approximately 60 percent sand, 10 percent clay and 30 percent silt particles.
CharacteristicsSandy loam soils have visible particles of sand mixed into the soil. When sandy loams soils are compressed, they hold their shape but break apart easily. Sandy loam soils have a high concentration of sand that gives them a gritty feel. In gardens and lawns, sandy loam soils are capable of quickly draining excess water but can not hold significant amounts of water or nutrients for your plants. Plants grown in this type of soil will require more frequent irrigation and fertilization than soils with a higher concentration of clay and sediment. Sandy loam soils are often deficient in specific micronutrients and may require additional fertilization to support healthy plant growth.
ConsiderationsPlants that are grown in a sandy loam soil need frequent irrigation and fertilization to maintain healthy growth. The best way to improve a sandy loam soil for gardening is to mix organic matter into the soil. Incorporating a 2- to 4-inch layer of compost or peat moss over the area can significantly improve the ability of your sandy loam soil to hold nutrients and water.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/characteristics-sandy-loam-soil-50765.html
From this information I think it can be deduced that this much more expensive soil will continue to cost taxpayers even more money in fertilizer and water than the same job that could have been done by Harrods. Because his soil even though it had clay in it just like sandy-loam would possibly have had a better ability to hold water and nutrients. Making it much more cost effective and efficient.
Just my opinion and nothing more.
I'm sorry to say, I missed the Special County Commissioners Board meeting yesterday.
I was busy taking my wife to a very important Doctors appointment.
Before I get started about that meeting I want to remind you
our Socialist's on the board decided to give money away
as Welfare to the communities that can not afford
to take care of their own business. Just $100,000.00 that's all.
Now about the Special County Commissioners Board meeting yesterday.
I recieved information from a very reliable source that the county may raise our property taxes
by 6 mill and they may take $100,000.00 from the Road Department's budget.
Really folks all that talk about repairing roads is worth what?
How about $100,000.00 that the Socialist's gave away as Welfare to the communities ? Just so they have to raise your property taxes. What a great plan and a great thing to do for the communities, huh ?
Socialists don't care, because it's all FREE MONEY?
They gave Welfare to people that don't even pay property taxes, how great is that ?
Nearly $1,000,000.00 from the wind Farm and it's all but gone and the county still has debts to pay off ?
The County Commissioners (or at least two out of three) signed a statement that thy have an obligation to the communities. Well, that is just plain false they have an obligation to each and every taxpayer/voter but not to the communities! That is simply LIBERAL talk and a Socialist's attitude, nothing more! The communities are already being subsided with county money which is not a responsibility of County Government. Isn't it time to quite subsidizing other Government Agencies?
The argument that the property owners in the communities pay property taxes and should get free money is BOGUS, SOCIALIST BULL SHIT! The taxpayers in the communities recieve all the ame benefits for their property taxes that I do and do not deserve extra , FREE MONEY. They have access to county roads, county ambulance services, county sheriff's services, county health department, and all other services provide for by the county
But giving money away is OKAY !
Because they can vote to raise your property taxes.
Don't ya love it?
Well are you just gonna sit there and take it !
I have a suggestion, attend the up coming Special Board Meeting TOMORROW at 1:00 PM ! AUGUST 29 at 1:00 PM !
They will be having another budget hearing and probably be voting on their actions.
Let your voices be heard!
Oh, I know those of you that have jobs, working hard, so you can pay these
exhorberate property taxes are unable to attend. It's up to the rest of us to speak up for you.
Our property taxes keep going up, even with out raising the mill rate!
Did you know that? The school property taxes, the county property taxes, the city property taxes
all increase without raising the mill rate !
When the State of Kansas want's more of your property tax money they don't raise the mill rate !
No, huh uh!
They raise your property value which raises the amount each mill is worth Dollar wise?
That is just like raising property taxes, Plain and Simple ! Because you are paying out mor dollars to the school for property taxes, to the county for property taxes, to the city property for taxes. Oh, yea! For the grave yards as well.
Let's take a look at the Elk County Valuation Growth Analysis
Assessed Value for November 2015. (the latest I could find)
Taxable Property Value w/o Penalty $24,749,388
Growth Change $1,725,515
Percent Growth 7.49%
Source: http://www.ksrevenue.org/pdf/novanalysis.pdf
Now doesn't that represent an increase of [/color] 7.49%[/b]
in Dollar amounts to each taxing entity?
I stand corrected
the Property Tax Hearing
will not be tomorrow
but will be be August 29th.
Not July 29th.
I just received a letter from Randy Watson, Commissioner of Education pf the
Kansas State Department of Education.
All he had to say was take it up with the Office of the Kansas Attorney General or County Attorney or
District Attorney.
Well, I guess he didn't read my cover letter to well, because the letter stated a copy was sent to the Attorney General and the Governor.
But at least I got a response, albeit a lousy response.
That's more then the School Superintendent got when he said he was contacting the KSDE Commissioner and would get back to us with the man's reply. Have you read anything from the School Superintendent about such a response.
The Commissioner of KSDE dated his letter July 22, 2016 but it was post marked July 27, 2016.
Nearly a whole week to get it to a mail box.
Now there is nothing to do but to sit back and wait for the Attorney General's and the Governor's responses.
I fully documented the ilegal property tax increase by West Elk last fall.
Perhaps the County Board will rethink raising our property taxes that discussed 6 mill.
The reason I say that is because I thought there was a state bill passed that doesn't allow an increas larger than the Consumer Price Index. Of course unless they do it with a Resolution posted in the newspaper or putting it on an election ballot.
I have already been approached by people asking if an Opposition Petition can be used to stop the County from raising our property taxes ! The only response i had was, we would have to wait and see what move they make and if they use a resolution we would have to read it and see if it allows for an Opposition Petition. That is the best I could tell them.
It appears the County budget has done nothing but go up since the Wind Farm, how strange is that? Just where is that nearly a million dollars going, it does not appear to be helping the county government ! Oh that's right it helped a couple of Commissioners play Socialist and give away $100,000.00, didn't it ?
Dig out your wallet every one wants in it.
With a nearly $6 million dollar budget, they need your wallet open wide.
Can they afford to build or remodel a building for EMS at the tune of $800,000.00?
Perhaps they should put that plan on hold for the sake of the property owner taxpayers !
The liberals need your money for their cause - socialism.
They're in control of the government schools - you're not.
Bolsheviks and Republicans - what else can one compare Obama , Hillary and the rest of the modern Democrats?
Good luck defending American liberty against that socialist bunch in your local schools.
And you are doing what to make it better? I mean really make changes, not just talk?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2016, 11:03:34 AM
And you are doing what to make it better? I mean really make changes, not just talk?
And what are you doing, but just talking.
And no knowledge in it as usual.
Apparently you don't recognize he was expressing his view on the subject.
Something he has a right to do.
And that is offensive to most Obama and Clinton Liberals.
Nope, not gonna bite.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2016, 11:03:34 AM
And you are doing what to make it better? I mean really make changes, not just talk?
Quote from: ROSS on July 29, 2016, 01:15:27 PM
And what are you doing, but just talking.
And no knowledge in it as usual.
Apparently you don't recognize he was expressing his view on the subject.
Something he has a right to do.
And that is offensive to most Obama and Clinton Liberals.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 29, 2016, 01:51:06 PM
Nope, not gonna bite.
There is nothing to bite !
The truth is all there is !
Republicans on this forum aren't giving any indication for Trump.
If Trump holds, Hillary will have a lot of Republican support.
Everything is rumor until it happens !
So the talk of raising county property taxes is supposedly, only because !
Only, because of the new law that takes affect next year that allows only raising property tax, no more than the amount of increase in the Consumer Price Index, unless brought to the voters by resolution or vote. That's the supposed because!
The supposed reason for taking $100.000.00 from the road department is because, they will be coming up on the time that department heads ask for the amount of money needed for their next year budgets and then the Commissioners will give it back to the road department. To me. it sounds like an act of foolishness. shifting money around. Why move it just to move it back?
Oh well, I guess we will just have to wait and see, what might really happen, August 29th at the budget hearing.
I hope everyone has enjoyed this nice cool day, I know, I have.
Whoa Baby Whoa
Did I really just read that ?
In the vernacular of a sailor, I just read where the Kansas Secretary of State just called Rudy
A Dumb Ass.
No, he didn't use those words but it's the same thing in politically correct language.
I doubt Rudy had any real say in publishing that letter, but right there it is in today's newspaper.
ROFLMAO !
i quit reading Rudy's editorials a long time ago, because in my opinion, his opinions are usually wrong.
The Kansas Secretary of State said, "Taylor's Editorial was misinformed and misleading."
The Kansas Secretary of State also said, "It appears Taylor didn't do his research. Had he bothered to Google the subject, he would have learned that voter fraud had occurred hundreds of times in Kansas.
The Kansas Secretary of State also said, "Taylor finally throws a juvenile insult at me. He suggests that only "small minds " worry about voter fraud."
I seriously doubt that Rudy had any choice in printing this stuff in his paper. I mean why would Rudy print such a dressing down of himself in his own newspapers?
Just remember this when reading his editorials and as well when he voices his personal opinion about the West Elk USD-282 School Superintendent and Rudy's advice not to listen to any one but Mr. Moore.
Remember how fervently Rudy backed the now
Defunct Elk Konnected ? That in my opinion was very biased by his personal claim of being affiliated with Elk Konnected.
Alittle Google can go along way !
Whatever happened to unbiased reporting ?
So what does Rudy tell you in today's Editorial in an attempt to look good?
Kansas really doesn't hold influence in national elections
So how does that make him look intelligent ? It doesn't ! Try again Rudy !
That has been the talk all over the internet since before the Republican National Convention.
And it was confirmed by both the RNC and the DNC with the manipulation of Delegates and rules and the cheating.
Remember folks Editorials are nothing more that the personal opinion of the Editor and nothing more.
Oh, and they are not required to contain truth's and fact's.
Montgomery County Chronicle
2 hrs · BREAKING NEWS FROM THE
MONTGOMERY COUNTY COURTHOUSE . . .
INDEPENDENCE — Montgomery County commissioners plan to revisit their 2017 budget plan after catching an earful from constituents at a budget hearing on Monday morning.
County commissioners held a hearing that was observed more than 70 people and included more than two hours of concerns and questions from citizens about the 2017 budget plan. That plan calls for the county's budget to increase its mill levy, or tax rate, from 41.561 mills to 56.048 mills, translates to an increase of 35 percent. This increase only applies to the county's share of any property owner's taxes. Depending upon their location, property owners also support cities, townships, school districts, community colleges, libraries, cemeteries and Extension district — all of which set their own tax rates.
Commissioners were inundated with requests from citizens to not raise the levy, or, at least lessen the tax jolt on local taxpayers.
Commissioners agreed to revisit the budget plan at a special meeting at 6 p.m., Monday, Aug. 22 in the lower level of the Montgomery County Judicial Center. Commissioners said they hope to have a revised version of the budget by the time they conclude next Monday's meeting.
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This same thing is happening here in Elk County and just about every county across.
Raising property taxes just because!
Just because a new state law restricting raising property taxes no more than the Consumer Price Index.
Just because is not a proper reason to raise property taxes.
County Commissioners must be drinking lead contaminated water or something.
August 29th people need to show up for the budget hearing and speak out.
Tell the Socialists Commissioners that like to give away
Free Money,
enough is enough!
Not surprised about this. Sure - other counties are doing likewise. Republicans are like that and they are like Obama - nothing new there.
Now we're seeing Republicans supporting Hillary. Surprised?
The Republican military victory changed America in 1865 just as the Bolsheviks changed Russia in 1918.
Republicans are not conservatives - never were.
It is apparent that the folks elected and paid to work for all of Elk County
have their own agenda, or maybe have an "Old Guard" agenda" and are
not working for the best interest of all of Elk County.
And they don't understand why there is a new law becoming effective next year.
The new tax law will limit the various local governments from raising property taxes
extravagantly and wastefully.
That is exactly why the Elk County Commissioners want to raise taxes and the only reason.
The law will limit them to raising property tax no ore than that years Consumer Price Index unless
they come to the voters.
Let's not judge them as
leftist liberals on this subject of the proposed property tax increase, just yet!
Let's, let them tell us themselves who is a
leftist liberal and who is a true conservative!
We don't need no excuses after the gave away $100,000.00 of Free taxpayer money ---- do we?
Lets see which ones foolishly vote to raise property taxes
just because.This is scheduled to happen on the 29th of this month.
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Just a reminder the Elk County Commissioners on August 29 will have their meeting to discuss
raising our property taxes.
Do you think they need to raise property taxes since,
they have enough money to give $100,000.00 away and plan to continue
giving away taxpayer dollars for the next 2 or3 years?
Our Opposition petition the spring seems to have worked this time.
I have it on good information that West Elk USD-282 plans to be on the November ballot
to raise our property taxes.
And my opinion is that both of our taxing Government entities are wanting to raise property taxes
: JUST BECAUSE !
Just Because a new state law goes in to effect limiting their ability to raise taxes no more than the raise in the Consumer Price Index, which is very small. To exceed that amount they have to come to the voters for approval.
If you remember West Elk USD-293 School Board just raised your property taxes 6.337 mill last fall, even though they were told no without coming to the voters. Now they are coming to us because of the Opposition Petition submitted this spring.
Do you remember Mr. Moore the School Superintendent said the Board voted to take only 1 mill of the 8 mill they were asking for in the Resolution. Well they did not stick to that one mill, they took 6.337. And now they want to be even more greedy and ask for more money to waste.
Yes, waste! Untill they post the financial books for the voters to see, it is waste.
No excuses should be accepted not to release public information for the voters on a monthly basis.
Excuses might be they expose their books for hacking. No, not so! A simple few clicks and a copy and paste with no link to the actual books, solves that excuse. And we do pay for an IT expert on staff at the school who could over see the safety of the situation. He may even be able to put together a small program to handle a monthly project of this nature.
The County Could do the very same thing and yes we pay for an IT expert on the county payroll.
There is no need for secrecy in our local governments but there is a great need for transparency !
Transparency eliminate's deception, corruption and hopefully any other problems.
Just some food for thought.
Does any one else have any suggestions?
I'm a newbie here, residing in the State just under five years. I haven't investigated State or local regulatory code. That being said, there should be some sort of 'referendum' process that makes a vote of the people over-ride local regulations (like that old California 1% initiative). Maybe it is just a petition process to require something like a local tax 'rollback' on the ballot. There must also be a local process to recall county officials who fail to act in the interests of those they serve.
Unfortunately, those suggestions all call for the residents to become activists. It's difficult to activate people when they have a microwaved meal of dead food in front of them, and their favorite reality show on the flat-screen. You are fighting an uphill battle. I hope your best intentions win-out.
BTW, I like they way you copy and highlight text you are responding to. What buttons do I push to make that happen?
Quote from: Wake-up! on August 22, 2016, 08:01:23 PM
BTW, I like they way you copy and highlight text you are responding to. What buttons do I push to make that happen?
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Here is the Agenda for Monday.
The red highlighting and bolding of the text is my doing.
ELK COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS
AGENDA
August 29, 2016
Budget Hearing
1:00 p.m. – Call to Order
Public Input
AdjournmentRegularly Scheduled Meeting
1:10 p.m. - Call to Order
Minutes Approval – Aug 8th Regular Meeting
1:20 p.m. Public Forum
1:30 p.m. – Department Reports
(Department Head meetings: 8 AM; Thursdays when requested by Dept. Heads)
Old Business:
Rural Fire - tower on Jim Perkins' land
Wage Scale
Howard Twilight Manor
Policy for Guns in Courthouse
New Business
2:00 p.m. – SCKEDD (Casey)
2:15 p.m. – Barbara Myers – Yard Sale Along Hwy at Nursing Home for Fabulous Finds
2:30 p.m. – Waterline easement donation, Moline waterline replacement project2:45 p.m. – Executive Session (County Clerk)
3:00 p.m. – KAC Voting Delegate and KCAMP Board of Trustees Nomination
3:30 p.m. – Road Closing Request, Dove, between Road 23 and 24
3:45 p.m. – Nursing Home Contract
Abatements:
Presentation of Claims
Other
Adjournment
Future Events: Sept 12th - Road Closing Viewing, 10:30 @ Junebug & Road 9
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My Notes concerning the above abbreviations .SCKEDD - South Central Kansas Economic Development District, Inc ...
Kansas County Association Multiline Pool (KCAMP) was formed under the sponsorship of the Kansas Association of Counties and began operation January 1, 1991.
KCAMP is currently composed of 66 counties out of 105 counties in Kansas.
About KAC
The Kansas Association of Counties is a quasi-public agency, which seeks to advance the public interest by promoting effective, responsive county government in Kansas. Founded in 1975, as an instrumentality of its member counties, the Association serves county governments through:
Legislative representation
Technical assistance
Leadership
Professional education
Looks like the KAC is just another organization that's been created to represent the growth of socialism in America. The KAC was founded in 1975. Seems like Kansas became a State in 1861 and there are about 105 counties therein. There's a State legislature. Why do some counties pay to join an organization?
Please don't tell me that Republicans are not socialist. The evidence is everywhere that Republicans are socialists just as it is with Obama and Hillary.
The public interest ought to be American liberty, not another interest in some organization that's gonna be stealing the liberty of Americans.
Looks to me like yer Elk County Commission is acting to keep up with the current trends of stealing the liberty of its citizens. Isn't that about right?
I can not find anything in Kansas State Law that permits a Commissioner can solicit to give away free money at City Councils.
I can not find anything in Kansas state law that permits a County Board to perform a Declaration of Responsibility or Obligation to City Councils.
I ask you to read and help me find such authorization in the Kansas State Statutes:
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19-212. Powers of board of commissioners. The board of county commissioners of each county shall have the power, at any meeting:
First. To make such orders concerning the property belonging to the county as they may deem expedient, including the establishing of regulations, by resolution, as to the use of such property and to prescribe penalties for violations thereof.
Second. To examine and settle all accounts of the receipts and expenses of the county, and to examine and settle and allow all accounts chargeable against the county; and when so settled, they may issue county orders therefor, as provided by law.
Third. To purchase sites for and to build and keep in repair county buildings, and cause the same to be insured in the name of the county treasurer for the benefit of the county; and in case there are no county buildings, to provide suitable rooms for county purposes.
Fourth. To purchase an existing building and the site upon which it is located for the purpose of providing additional space for county offices and to remodel and equip the same.
Fifth. Apportion and order the levying of taxes as provided by law.
Sixth. To represent the county and have the care of the county property, and the management of the business and concerns of the county, in all cases where no other provision is made by law.
Seventh. To set off, organize, and change the boundaries of townships in their respective counties, to designate and give names therefor, and to appoint township officers for such new townships which officers shall serve until the next general election; to fix time and place of holding the first election therein.
Eighth. To establish one or more election precincts in any township, as the convenience of the inhabitants thereof may require.
Ninth. To lay out, alter or discontinue any road running through one or more townships in such county, and also to perform such other duties respecting roads as may be provided by law.
Tenth. To enter into contracts with any landowners for the construction and maintenance of underpasses, bridges and drainageways under and across any county road in connection with the locating, opening, laying out, construction or alteration of any county road running across or through such landowner's land, whenever in the judgment of the board of county commissioners such contract is to the best interests of the county. Any such contract entered into by the board of county commissioners shall be binding upon subsequent boards of county commissioners and shall not be terminated without the written consent of said landowner or his heirs or assigns.
Eleventh. To contract for the protection and promotion of the public health and welfare.
Twelfth. To acquire, own and operate a county airport.
Thirteenth. To perform such other duties as are or may be prescribed by law.
History: G.S. 1868, ch. 25, § 16; L. 1911, ch. 141, § 1; R.S. 1923, 19-212; L. 1953, ch. 139, § 1; L. 1963, ch. 151, § 1; L. 1972, ch. 70, § 1; July 1.
Revisor's Note:
L. 1871, ch. 76, § 1, which provided procedure under 19-212, ¶ 9, was repealed by L. 1917, ch. 264, § 58.
http://www.ksrevisor.org/statutes/chapters/ch19/019_002_0012.html
For your reading pleasure here are all the Kansas State Statutes:
http://www.ksrevisor.org/statutes/ksa_ch19.html
Today's County Commissioners Budget Hearing and Regular Meeting
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska officially opened the Budget Hearing.
She asked if anyone had anything to say.
I waited, what I thought was an appropriate time to allow for anyone else to speak up first. No one did, so I did.
I asked what are you doing?
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska looked at me like, what?
I asked, are you raising property taxes?
She said we put it in the newspaper !
I said apparently, I missed it. She said something and I said, I'm sorry I could not hear you.
She is aware of my hearing impairment and asked me if i wanted to move up a little bit. I said 2 feet isn't going to make a difference.
So she spoke up and said, we are raising property taxes to 111 mil.
And I asked how much of a hike that was and she replied 8 mil.
I then said, you give away $100,000 of taxpayer money apparently you have more money than you need and have no reason to raise property taxes.
I then asked by what authority they gave away $100,000 and that I had studied the Kansas State Statutes that provide the Powers of Board of Commissioners and found nothing that authorizes such activity by Kansas State Law.
She was taken aback and I repeated your powers are regulated by Kansas State Statutes. I said your counselor is setting right here, ask him. She didn't do it.
So I asked the Counselor what Kansas Statute authorizes the Commissioners to give away taxpayers money. And his response was if it doesn't say they can't then there is no reason they can't. I said no sir that is not the way it regulations work.
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A little side step if you will!
I leave it to you folks reading this, to make your own opinion! Do the State Statutes listed in the above poet have to say they can not give away taxpayer money? Is that what you read? Or do you read that it is limited to county business?
Do you read any where that the City Government's is County business and that the County Commissioners have an obligation to the City Governments?
Do you read anywhere that a County Commissioner is permitted to solicit the City Governments to accept free county money.
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Back to the Budget Hearing, Okay.
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska started to talk about Wind Farm Money and the Counselor started to talk about the P.I.L.O.T. and I stepped in and said all the P.I.L.O.T. does is say that the wind farm does not have to pay full taxation like the rest of us do and that the money paid is still County Taxpayer money.
I could tell, I was really frustrating
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska and I stopped and waited for answers. She asked me if I was done. I said, I guess so, but I haven't received any reasonable answers! She then went on to say we don't have to answer to you. We are here to listen and we have listened. She then asked me again if I was done.
(Does she really listen?)
I told her, I said I was done!
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Another little side note, please !
Aren't elected officials suppose to answer to the voters?
This is the main problem in politics, plain and simple!
They think they are to important to answer to the people?
Did they forget their High School Education or did they fail in High School?
It is still suppose to be a Government of the People, By the People and For the people isn't it?
Yet the politicians think they can make their own rules as they progress for some reason and think they can ignore rules and regulations.
This is a major problem with our Federal Government !
Do we need the same problem here in Elk County?
Well, it will continue as long as everyone sits back and allows it to continue.
What can you do?
You can attend some meetings and observe.
You could attend special hearings like this Budget Hearing and be heard.
If enough people were to show up it would make a difference.
And you can vote people out of office, that for some reason don't believe they have to answer to the people.
The people is you! Each and every one reading this !
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Back to the hearing, Okay !
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska started talking abut how we rate amongst the other county's mill levy's, which to me means absolutely nothing. Then
Kounty Komissioner Kaminskasaid that our property values are so low that they have to have a higher tax mil. While still trying to smooth over the tremendous tax hike of 8 mils property tax
Kounty Komissioner Kaminskasaid that the per capita property tax is only $950.00. Folks that makes absolutely no sense at all. Some property owners only pay a few hundred dollars for property tax while others pay way over $10,000.00. And the per capita includes all the people in the County, such as kids and renters, so it proves nothing. Her phony presentation totally sucked.
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska fails to recognize that with School and City and Graveyard property taxes put us in the number one place in the State. She also fails to recognize that when the state raises our property values it is done so to provide the State with more money per mil. In doing so county and the school and the city governments each gain more money per mil. An effective property tax increase.
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska stated that each mil brings in $25,000. You can do the math of
$25,000 times 8 and $25,000 times 111
Then it was pointed out that because of the new law that takes affect next year that they would not be able to raise property taxes. (Remember "I told you yesterday, "Just Because".) That was quickly corrected by someone saying they would have to ask the voters on a ballot!
This is out of sequence and I apologize for that ! It was mentioned that the
P.I.L.O.T. money is getting to be less and less.
I thought the
P.I.L.O.T. money was suppose to increase until it reaches a million dollars a year!
Do these elected officials give even a single thought to you or the senior citizens on fixed incomes?
No!
They don't give a damn.
As long as they have your money to spend
and as long as they can continue to raise your property taxes
the more extravagant they will get
and the less conservative they will be.
And this will continue until you Stand Up and say
"NO" ! Our county commissioners did not to see fit to use that #100,000.00 that they gave away to pay off the county's debts! How smart is that?
Oh well, our illustrious
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska showed up at a Commissioner's Meeting before she was appointed and sworn and requested an Executive Session. Now mind you she was still simply a citizen not a County Commissioner and had absolutely no right to call for an Executive Session. Really intelligent, huh!
End of Budget Hearing
The actual County Commissioners Meeting was then called to order by
Kounty Komissioner KaminskaThe only thing I find worthy of addressing is the visit by a young gentleman concerning a grant to remodel the nursing home and add a garage.
Kounty Komissioner Kaminska started out the conversation by stating she would not consider applying for the grant without some reassurance that is would be approved.
No, I won't continue with the conversation about the grant because of such a ridiculous statement.
There is never reassurance before the grant request forms are filled out and reviewed by the proper people in charge of reviewing and approving the grant.
What she said is the equivalent of you saying you wont consider applying for a bank loan without getting some assurance of getting the loan. You just blew it. No bank is going to loan you a substantial amount of money without filling out the application and the proper people reviewing and approving the loan.
Where do some of these commissioners get their education?
I'm done ranting , Good night my friends and neighbors.
I came back to correct some typographical errors.
Where do some of these commissioners get their education?
They received their training in government schools to be government people - socialists and tyrants.
Did I get it right?
I want to ask the Citizens and City Councils and Mayors of Elk Valley, Elk Falls, Moline, Greenola and Howard a few questions.
How does it feel to be screwed with no lubricant by receiving free money from the County Commissioner?
First the County Commissioners state that you pay County Taxes and states you deserve more benefit for those taxes.
Well folks, you receive the very same benefits as I do, why do you deserve more?
Your property taxes provide you with an airport on which to land your personal airplane free of charge?
What? You don't have a personal airplane?
Neither do I !
You are provided county roads to drive on, just like I am !
I live on the highway, so I am not forced to drive on those raggedy county roads, people are always complaining about,
but I can if I choose to !
So can you!
Or am I entitled to a tax rebate for not being forced by circumstance to use them?
You are provided with Ambulance services!Oh, you aren't having a heart attack every day and don't use it.
Neither do I
You are provided the County Fire Department !What you don;t have a fire every day and don't use it?
Well, I have had to use the Fire Department when my barn burnt down.
All they could do was prevent the fire from spreading and causing catastrophic damage to other peoples property.
That is a very big deal, stopping the spread to other peoples property.
I lost everything in my barn which amounted to about $6000.00 worth of equipment and hundreds of bakes of hay that was not insured. No, I do not blame the fire department for being unable to extinguish the fire inside my barn, that was an impossibility. I do praise them for preventing the fire from spreading to other peoples property.
I pray you never need to use them, but you never know.
You are also provided protection offered by the Elk County Sheriff's Department.You say you never use them? Well be thankful for that? But what if you do need them some day.
You are provided all these services just like the people that live in the rural areas, for the money you are taxed, you do not deserve more than the rest of the taxpayers in Elk County!
Now this is where the screwing comes in! One County Commissioners solicited your City Mayors and councilmen to accept free County Taxpayer Dollars and now your property taxes are going to be raised 8 mil.
Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska said each mil brings in $25,000.00 for the county, so lets look at that. 4 mil times $25,000.00 amazingly equals $100,000.00 ! Doesn't that equal the $100,000.00 free dollars given away by the county.
Isn't that amazing!
Only they will continue to tax you that much every year for year after year. How does that Free Money Scam feel now?I have heard Moline City Council is raising their property owners property taxes this year as well, that has got to hurt
and increasing whatever utility rates they control.
You see, folks the County could have lowered property taxes for everyone and each individual City could have raised their own property taxes with out so much pain. But no, now you have multiple property tax increases coming at you. And hang on to your hat. West Elk USD-282 will most likely be on the ballot in the November election asking for a 6 mil property tax increase. Depending on how the voters vote, you may be it with another property tax hike !
Yep, like we use to say in the Navy, we are getting screwed, chewed and tattooed.
But not to worry all you senior citizens have been seeing large increases in you Social Security, right ?
You can really afford all these property tax increases, right?
What do you mean, "NO" ?
Oh well, that;s all right your friends and neighbors you elected to office don't care.
You might just move out of your home and into a nursing home as far as they care.
Now how about you Elk Valley , I hear you are going to get hit with a massive property tax hike from the Elk Valley USD-283, are you also going to be hit with a city property tax increase?
Elk Falls, Grenola and Howard are you also being hit by City property tax increase as well?
Share with everyone, so everyone can see the big picture, please!
I really hope some of you will respond to the question of City property taxes in order to complete the big picture.
I don't believe we should have to choke on the phony statistic's that prove nothing from
Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska provides. I believe she really thinks like Obama, that we are all stupid.
Let's prove her wrong!
I hope every one has a great day!
You're on to something. Your county commission is a big part of the progressive movement. They're not going to like slowing their own socialist advances. And people seem to prefer defeating the conservative candidates running for county commission.
Obama and the Republicans are running the show in this country and it's being paid by you. Socialism is tyranny.
Is there a single soul who is surprised that an Engineer came up with this 10,535 pages reduced to 4 sentences?
READ SLOWLY!
4 simple sentences
Great summary by a Notre Dame University engineer.........
Here are the 10,535 pages of Obama Care condensed to 4 simple sentences..
As humorous as it sounds.....every last word is absolutely TRUE!
1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to un-insure the insured.
2. Next, we require the newly un-insured to be re-insured.
3. To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required to pay extra charges to be re-insured.
4. The extra charges are required so that the original insured, who became un-insured,and then became re-insured, can pay enough extra so that the original un-insured can be insured,so it will be 'free-of-charge' to them.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is called "redistribution of wealth" or, by its more common name, SOCIALISM, or "PROGRESSIVE", the politically correct names for COMMUNISM!
Here in Elk County, county commissioner takes away $100,000.00 from the taxpayers coffer and gives it away to the City Governments. One commissioner actually went around soliciting the City Councils to accept free County Tax Payers. Then raises everyone's taxes 8 mil. Can you see the resemblance to the above analogy. That simply demonstrates a lack of ethics, because that action is not the job of a County Commissioner. She claimed the Longton City Government is one of her constituents. That is just plain stupidovernments are not constituents. City Council Meetings are function of City Governments. She had no business going to all ot the City Council Meetings in Elk County.
And then says she is not required to answer taxpayers Questions. What happened to Government of the people, by the People and for the People ?
We are the employers of the County Commissioners and we pay them $900.00 a month for two meetings a month and provice them with Health Insurance and this is how they treat us ! THINK ABOUT IT!
I am a private citizen and not a member holding any elected office or position and I posses more ethics than what is being demonstrated byself importance of the particular County Commissioner who is chairman of the board. Don't we deserved better elected officials in Elk County?
Your county commission is pretty liberal. It just takes a few Republicans with a few ideas to follow the path of socialism.
Republicans and Obama are much alike. They don't talk about stuff like that but that's how they are.
As for Hillary, well there's a likeness for best of Republicans. That's a close match for sure. How can one even begin to see any differences?
You can't.
I am still in touch with the Kansas State Attorney Generals office concerning West Elk USD-282 illegally raising our property taxes last year.
Initial intake told me to take it to the Governor and I told them it is aready in the Governors office. I also informed them i have no directly contacted the Governor's office by telephone. But that i would if the Attorney Generals office does not handle it.
I said, I would be forced to file a complaint against the Attorney Generals Offic for failing to enforce Kansas Statutes.
I informed them the Resolution in the newspaper is a legal document authorized by KSA (Kansas Law Statutes}
and that the Opposition Petition also a legal document authorized by KSA and was certified by the Elk County Clerk. I told hm I provided the legal document submitted to the Elk County Clerk to raise our taxes which violated the Opposition Petition KSA.
Well the case has finally been moved up the chain from initial intake !
Progress is slow!
But if they think or anyone else thinks Governors office is the last stop, think again.
I will continue to encourage the Attorney Generals office to do their job as long as feasible.
Theft is theft, lying is lying and I don't care who takes the fall for it.
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DITTO for our local governments !
This community's so-called City Leaders really weren't Leaders.
The word Leaders is over used and abused.
And to call the town conservatives is very farfetched.
They did not understand the word conservative as shown in the article.
What they had was attitude, BAD ATTITUDE. We are the boss!
We are here to spend money and make policy ---- BAD ATTITUDE !
I do believe we have a County Commissioner that made that very statement,
"We are here to spend money and make policy".
We have a County Commissioner who thought she could call for an executive session as a citizen in the audience before she was appointed. She also did not know the County commissioners across the state are regulated by State Law until I told her.
These so called leaders don't know their place. They don't know their jobs.
Just like the West Elk School Board illegally raising our property taxes.
I believe that makes them all thieves.
They stole your money as illegal property tax.
Do any of them have a conscience?
Do any of the possess any ethics?
Or do all of them believe they are too important to possess those qualities.
I personally would be ashamed of myself and resign if I were involved in such despicable activity.
I would also personally apologize to the property owners for such despicable activity.
I personally would distance myself from such despicable people!
Do we have any people of ethics on the School Board? Let's wait and see !
These people are harming the dynamics of Elk County.
Economic Development in reverse if you will.
A conservative would be saving $100,000.00 instead of giving it away as bail out money for city managers. They should get some business sense and take care of the business they were elected to do, County Business Only. Then they would not be playing Socialists and raising everyone's taxes, thus harming the county.
Driving the county into the poor house.
Here is a wake up call for them! I hope they read the following article and learn from it.
Virginia Politics
City on the brink:
Petersburg can't pay its bills,
and time is running out
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A display window at the Siege Museum in Petersburg, Va. The museum, which had been popular with Civil War buffs, is closed and in need of expensive repairs, but work has been put on hold because of the city's severe budget problems. The town south of Richmond is teetering on the brink of insolvency. (Michael S. Williamson/The Washington Post)
Belton, 38, the interim city manager, was about to step in front of the City Council and a packed hall of residents and tell them they had to make drastic — even shocking — cuts to city services. Reduce funding for schools whose students are already among the lowest-performing in the state. Cut fire and police services in a city that has an unusually high rate of violent crime. Close departments, shrink city pay, shut down museums. Even withdraw support for the summer league baseball team.
Read the complete article from top to bottom at
:https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/city-on-the-brink-petersburg-cant-pay-its-bills-and-time-is-running-out/2016/09/04/9327c962-6ef9-11e6-8533-6b0b0ded0253_story.html?postshare=2781473123460428&tid=ss_tw
The attitude here in Elk County's Governments are leading us down the same path.
If they keep raising County Property taxes just because and because they give away money,
And if the West Elk School District keeps up being spend thrifts and raising property taxes,
your property would be worthless, who would buy into this farce? Meaning you could not sell your home if you had to.
THINK ABOUT IT
TELL ME WHAT IS CONSERVATIVE
ABOUT YOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS
I'D REALLY LIKE TO KNOW OF JUST ON CONSERVATIVE ACTION
BY EITHER WEST ELK OR ELK COUNTY!
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KASB, school lawyers ignore reality in naked money grab
Dave Trabert September 1, 2016
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Like teenagers lobbying their parents for new stuff, the Kansas Association of School Boards and taxpayer-funded school lawyers want hundreds of millions more from taxpayers, and claim that student achievement hangs in the balance.
Teenager: You know, my grades would be a lot better if you buy me a new phone to record notes. And if I had a car, I could get home sooner to study.
Parents: You said your grades were among the best in your class. Now they're low?
Teenager: Well, the school just records my grades but that isn't fair. I have my own methodology. And you know, some kids do a lot worse so compared to them I'm doing great....but you don't want my grades to go down, do you?
Parents: And you expect us to believe that just spending more will improve your grades?
Teenager: Not spending...investing. Don't you care about me?
Believe it or not, this is the circular logic employed by school lawyers and KASB. In a recent court brief, the lawyers admit that low income kids are doing much worse than their more affluent peers and since the gaps are wider now, they believe that that proves funding is too low. It's like saying there were more rainy days this year, so we need more sunshine to get better grades.
KASB has a different view, saying outcomes are #10 in the nation, even though per-pupil funding is ranked #29. Their methodology is bogus but their contention refutes the notion that spending more causes outcomes to improve. Of course, they claim citizens need to 'invest' a lot more or outcomes will decline.
The truth is that Kansas doesn't have a single top ten ranking in actual achievement performance. National ranks on ACT are in the 20s (White, Hispanic and African American) and proficiency rankings on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) range from the mid-teens to the mid-30s. But KASB says if you count some students twice and throw in a lot of things that don't measure actual learning levels, Kansas magically rises to #10! That's some mighty fine teenager logic...or if you prefer, husband rationale for not cleaning the garage today (I've seen me do it).
There is much more about the schools lies, read more at:
https://kansaspolicy.org/kasb-school-lawyers-ignore-reality-naked-money-grab/
WIBW NEWS NOW
New School Formula
Should Include District Accountability
by Nick Gosnell on September 5, 2016
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The President of the Kansas Policy Institute believes that accountability for the use of state funds for schools should be a two-way street as part of a new school funding formula.
"There's always been accountability for legislators to provide funding," says Dave Trabert of KPI. "But, there's never been accountability on school districts, either to make efficient use of taxpayer money, or more importantly, to produce better outcomes."
Trabert contends that schools that don't get the job done don't have any consequences.
"If schools fail to close achievement gaps, whether across the board or with individual students, nothing happens," Trabert said. "They just ask for more money."
Read more about the lack of consequences for the inability to teachand lack of efficiency at:
http://www.wibwnewsnow.com/new-school-formula-include-district-accountability/
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Brownback seeking opinions, ideas
on Kansas school funding
By Craig Andres Published: August 31, 2016, 11:17 am
KSN vidoe on web site.
TOPEKA, Kan. – Gov. Sam Brownback is asking the public for input on how to fund our schools. Two years ago the governor and key Republican lawmakers said the school finance formula was broken. Now, they are asking for help in formulating a fix of the system.
"It's time for us to work together to develop a school funding system that works for Kansas students for their parents and for educators," Brownback said at a news conference in his ceremonial office on Wednesday. "Today, I'm asking education leaders in Kansas and the education community and across the nation to work with us on developing a new education funding system proposal to put in front of the Kansas legislature this next year."
But, some education leaders, who are experts on finance, are asking what took so long to get to this point. It's been 18 months since lawmakers, led by Governor Brownback, scrapped a school finance formula that had been refined each year for decades.
(I am skipping the rest of the article to go to the last sentence for you benefit.)
The public can send comments to the governor by emailing them to studentsfirst@ks.gov.
See the whole article at:
http://ksn.com/2016/08/31/brownback-to-seek-kansas-educators-opinions-on-funding/
Ross, your post #6998 was absolutely disgusting.
Quote from: proelkco on September 07, 2016, 08:35:01 AM
Ross, your post #6998 was absolutely disgusting.
Oh i agree with you whole heartedly, it is disgusting, what took so long for you too say so!
The
truth hurts doesn't it?
Here is that post of which you speak. A durn good piece of writing if I do have to say so myself!
An I hain't even got no degree. LOL
Thanks for acknowledging it proelkco.
Quote from: ROSS on August 30, 2016, 08:24:44 AM
I want to ask the Citizens and City Councils and Mayors of Elk Valley, Elk Falls, Moline, Greenola and Howard a few questions.
How does it feel to be screwed with no lubricant by receiving free money from the County Commissioner?
First the County Commissioners state that you pay County Taxes and states you deserve more benefit for those taxes.
Well folks, you receive the very same benefits as I do, why do you deserve more?
Your property taxes provide you with an airport on which to land your personal airplane free of charge?
What? You don't have a personal airplane?
Neither do I !
You are provided county roads to drive on, just like I am !
I live on the highway, so I am not forced to drive on those raggedy county roads, people are always complaining about,
but I can if I choose to !
So can you!
Or am I entitled to a tax rebate for not being forced by circumstance to use them?
You are provided with Ambulance services!
Oh, you aren't having a heart attack every day and don't use it.
Neither do I
You are provided the County Fire Department !
What you don;t have a fire every day and don't use it?
Well, I have had to use the Fire Department when my barn burnt down.
All they could do was prevent the fire from spreading and causing catastrophic damage to other peoples property.
That is a very big deal, stopping the spread to other peoples property.
I lost everything in my barn which amounted to about $6000.00 worth of equipment and hundreds of bakes of hay that was not insured. No, I do not blame the fire department for being unable to extinguish the fire inside my barn, that was an impossibility. I do praise them for preventing the fire from spreading to other peoples property.
I pray you never need to use them, but you never know.
You are also provided protection offered by the Elk County Sheriff's Department.
You say you never use them? Well be thankful for that? But what if you do need them some day.
You are provided all these services just like the people that live in the rural areas, for the money you are taxed, you do not deserve more than the rest of the taxpayers in Elk County!
Now this is where the screwing comes in! One County Commissioners solicited your City Mayors and councilmen to accept free County Taxpayer Dollars and now your property taxes are going to be raised 8 mil. Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska said each mil brings in $25,000.00 for the county, so lets look at that. 4 mil times $25,000.00 amazingly equals $100,000.00 ! Doesn't that equal the $100,000.00 free dollars given away by the county.
Isn't that amazing!
Only they will continue to tax you that much every year for year after year. How does that Free Money Scam feel now?
I have heard Moline City Council is raising their property owners property taxes this year as well, that has got to hurt
and increasing whatever utility rates they control.
You see, folks the County could have lowered property taxes for everyone and each individual City could have raised their own property taxes with out so much pain. But no, now you have multiple property tax increases coming at you.
And hang on to your hat. West Elk USD-282 will most likely be on the ballot in the November election asking for a 6 mil property tax increase. Depending on how the voters vote, you may be it with another property tax hike !
Yep, like we use to say in the Navy, we are getting screwed, chewed and tattooed.
But not to worry all you senior citizens have been seeing large increases in you Social Security, right ?
You can really afford all these property tax increases, right?
What do you mean, "NO" ?
Oh well, that;s all right your friends and neighbors you elected to office don't care.
You might just move out of your home and into a nursing home as far as they care.
Now how about you Elk Valley , I hear you are going to get hit with a massive property tax hike from the Elk Valley USD-283, are you also going to be hit with a city property tax increase?
Elk Falls, Grenola and Howard are you also being hit by City property tax increase as well?
Share with everyone, so everyone can see the big picture, please!
I really hope some of you will respond to the question of City property taxes in order to complete the big picture.
I don't believe we should have to choke on the phony statistic's that prove nothing from Kounty Kommissioner Kaminska provides. I believe she really thinks like Obama, that we are all stupid.
Let's prove her wrong!
I hope every one has a great day!
I hope you have a great day proelkco, I am !
Quote from: proelkco on September 07, 2016, 08:35:01 AM
Ross, your post #6998 was absolutely disgusting.
It's disgusting for sure that the Elk County Commission is much like the rest of America.
Socialists! They prefer tyranny over American liberty.
Government is no help and it has no solutions and certainly the Elk County government is no different in that regard.
Elk County is a Republican stronghold. Republican = socialism, not conservatism
If true conservatives are elected to office in Elk County, or elsewhere, the Republicans will vote them out in the next election. Republicans don't want a conservative America.
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Ross, looks like you're on the right track. Stay right in there!
Love the terrific picture Redclif.
Thank you.
It is a question each and every elected politician should ask themselves !
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County Commissioners Meeting Sept. 12, 2016I had to leave the meeting very early because of a lack of sleep and I did not think they would appreciate it if I stayed and started snoring. LOL ! But again who knows.
I was informed by a reliable source that the discussion about the Nursing Home and Grant were further discussed. It appears the Grant would not cover the use of the nursing home for the AG Extension.
So the County Commissioners have placed signing the contract with Howard on hold until possibly the end of the year or later.
And just to remind you at a previous meeting the Grant person had said because the nursing home was so old there might be a problem getting the grant.
I was informed that the City of Howard had a possible buyer before the County asked to take it over.
The thing about that is, if Howard would have sold the nursing home, they would not have needed the Payday Loan from the Elk County Government. What pay day loan, am I addressing? Howard's part of the $100,000.00 Dollar Socialist give away to the City Governments. You know,
Kounty Kommissioners Kaminska's Konstituents. Really, City Governments are not constituents. That is an abuse of the English language. Besides she had no authority in doing so!Why call it a payday loan? Because now the County has raised our property taxes another 8 mil to gain it all back and the 8 mil property tax increase will mostly likely never be reduced. So, actually it is not as good as a pay day loans it is far worse.
If the City of Howard would have been able to have sold the nursing home, it would most likely been continued on the property tax rolls of both the City of Howard and Elk County and both would have benefited well from it. In case you don't remember
Kounty Kommissioners Kaminska's Konstituents. had denied placing a new Emergency Medical building on property with in Howard because it would have removed the property from the tax rolls. Yes, that was part of her argument to place it at the airport and closer to her mamma's home.
If the Elk County Commissioners were intelligent they would scrap the nursing home and leave it for a possible buyer and possibility becoming a taxable property. They would also be conservative and save thousands and maybe hundreds of thousand of dollars by simply building a new barn to house the two ambulances and remodeling the building they already possess. But that would make to much sense, right?
Let's just keep right on keeping on, okay?
The School Board meeting Sept 12, 2016WEEPAT's ????
What is WEEPAT's ????
Just another
NGO (Non Governmental Organization) or just another Lobbying Group, plain ad simple!
It stands for West Elk Elememtary Parents and Teachers.
They have
"Big Idea's" for spending your tax dollars. Remember
"Big Idea's" from
Elk Konnected?It's my choice to use the words
"Big Idea's" because they want the School Board to spend ten's of thousands of dollars just like
Elk Konnected wanted the County to spend hundred's of thousands of dollar's of "Wind Farm" money on. "Big Idea's". Same thing, both are or were
NGO's full of lobbyists.
QUESTION?
As Hillary might ask
"At This Point What Difference Does It Make ?"
ANSWER !
Well, if it doesn't matter to you
it does matter to your bank account !
More about the WEEPATS !They want new play ground equipment and clam it is educational to children. They claimed the play ground equipment the school presently is broken and a hazard to the children. This is where I must ask, why hasn't someone asked maintenance to make necessary repairs or why are children allowed to continue to play on the equipment?
They spoke of having continuous fund raisers to help pay for equipment and asked the school board to consider funding
35 Grand over then next couple of years for playground equipment. Mr. Moore then
interjected that they are trying to build a capital out lay fund.
WEEPATS stated they have been turned down for on grant already.They want to remove all pieces that are old and broken and want to continue to use the same play ground area as an adequate area for new equipment. My thought is old does is not a requirement for replacement and broken is maintenance responsibility to repair if they have any responsibility for protecting the children. Also, it is Superintendent Moore's job, at a salary and benefits in excess of $100,000.00 a year to ensure that maintenance does their job. And if Mr. More fails to do so, it is the School Board's resposibility to instruct him as their employee to do exactly that.
Dr. Black said get the public involved. In my opinion it is just another
NGO like Dr. Black belonged to before. Remember the now
defunct NGO, Dr. Black was a member of. A real loser
Elk Konnected.
But back to the play ground and the
NGO WEEPATS. WEEPATS was talking
$35,000.00 and the schools maintenance man says a place he deals with has a sale on
4 pieces for only
$14,000.00.I wonder, was this a bait and switch sale in reverse ?You know
$35,000.00 and switching down to the now offering of
$14,000.00 !Give it a thought.
WEEPAT's compared West Elks playground to other Schools:
1. Burden School playground. City of Burden playground.
2. Sedan
3. Longton
4. Cedarvale
5. Dexter
6. Oxford
7. Udall
8. Mulvane
What is this all about?
Is it about keeping up with the Jones's no matter the cost?
Is it an attitude to be praised?
Apparently the solution seems to be just spend the taxpayers dollars and tax them some more. Forget any solution to take care of what you have --- repair the broken and apply a fresh coat of paint if needed !
Forget that WEEPAT's could put forth a little elbow grease to make things better, the only solution for people like that is to send money. Other peoples money!
Your money!
When does an
NGO not want to spend other peoples money?
NEVER !QUESTION?
As Hillary might ask
"At This Point What Difference Does It Make ?"
ANSWER !
Well, if it doesn't matter to you
it does matter to your bank account !
A Happy Weekend to You is my Wish.
It's all for the community - that's the modern socialist thinking. From Elk County to Topeka to Washington DC to the New World Order - One World Government. You're forced to pay for it by people who are not in line with the Founders.
It's stealing American liberty.
It's Democratic - Democratic Socialism. Stealing American liberty.
Community = Socialism (Nazi or Communist - whata mix)
Obama, Hillary and the Republicans; all working together for evil.
Not to intelligent in my personal opinion !
The State is what? $300,000,000.00 short on their budget?
And they do this !
Kansas plane getting paint job, electronics upgrade
Posted: Sep 18, 2016 9:20 PM CST
Updated: Sep 18, 2016 9:20 PM CST
written by Associated Press
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WICHITA, Kan. (AP) -
Kansas budget woes haven't touched the state's executive aircraft, which is getting a new paint job, a spruced up interior and upgraded avionics this year.
Along with regular operating costs, the improvements will cost taxpayers nearly $900,000.
The Kansas Highway Patrol, which oversees aircraft operations, says the work on the 15-year-old plane is needed for aesthetic and safety reasons. The nine-passenger plane has the original paint, interior and avionics it had when it was purchased new in 2001, and the aging plane is now showing wear.
Senate Democratic Leader Anthony Hensley called the spending "highly ironic" at a time when funding for highway projects has been slashed.
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Rumor Has It !
It's rumored all over the county that a County employee has been using a County credit card for his own use. To the tune of about $500 a month for the last year-and-a-half or more.
The thing is the rumor also claims the County Commissioners are aware of it and have not taken any actions to provide information to the sheriff. Isn't that simply the County Commissioners condoning theft if true?
Now I guess it's time to renew their credit cards and nobody wants to have their name on the credit cards. Yeah that's right somebody's name has to be on the credit card.
I'd like to nominate the Chairperson of the County Commissioner Kaminiska to be the name on the credit cards. Don't you think the Chairman of the board should shoulder that responsibility since giving away $100,000 of taxpayer money and raises our property taxes to recoup that free money. I mean apparently money means nothing to her. So her name on the all of the credit cards as the responsible for their use should be no big deal, right ? It's my personal opinion that she doesn't have any respect for County taxpayers money anyway.
Looks the same way West Elk USD--282 has no respect for taxpayers or state law. Otherwise they would not have raised our property taxes illegally last fall.
What is corruption but theft buy a County employee being covered up by the County Commissioners?
What is corruption but theft by West Elk USD--282 School Board raising property taxes illegally?
The West Elk USD--282 school superintendent will ask the Board of Education to create a capital outlay committee consisting of Community members, School Employees and three board members. That's what was printed in the newspaper.
That committee would simply be an NGO [non governmental organization] imposing their desires on the school board. A special interest group possibly directed by the superintendent. Much in the same way he manipulates the school board already. The elected board members are unaware while they are busy playing on their cellphones or munching on cold cuts, cheese and cookies. LOL
Folks that's why you elect people to sit on the school board, it is their job to oversee the capital outlay Monies.
They are supposed to be there at the board meetings to discuss the most effective and efficient way to utilize our tax dollars. By the superintendent asking for a special committee to do the job of the school board is tantamount to saying the school board is incompetent to perform their duties.
None of us like the corruption in Washington DC. The reason I say that is because if we can't get our local officials to play by the rules and law and be considerate of taxpayers we cannot expect it on the state level. And if we can't expect it on the state level how can we expected on the federal level ?
If people don't take a stand for what is right, they get what they deserve don't they?
They get corruption, right?
Government schools are free - paid for by the government. Whata deal? Also, you get your own government approved teachers - certified and unionized.
How else you gonna educate/indoctrinate anyone to get er done right for the cause of our socialist state? Pay and go along to get along.
The Path
Elk County Appears
To Be Headed Down
Top 5 Foreclosure States
The top 5 states with the highest number of foreclosures per capita are Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio and Maryland. What do these states have in common?
The easy answer is high taxation compared to the national average. High taxation keeps businesses from starting up or in some cases from staying in the state. In the most dramatic of cases a business can be closed because of taxation that is more designed to extract as much money as possible from the business rather than being designed to encourage the business to grow and stay in the state.
Low unemployment is a leading indicator of foreclosures. Low employment is not good even for the investor as once the foreclosure is purchased it will need to be sold or rented to someone that has a steady income. Be aware of the employment in the area that the home is located as it will impact the ability to sell or rent. This rule applies to Cities and Counties as well. This is not to say that there are not good opportunities in these states or any others. It is just part of the larger equation that needs to be added rather than ignored.
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Being a Yes or having a liberal progressive positive attitude is as bad a being an alcoholic or drug addict !
Spending, Spending, Compulsive Spending is an Addictive -- Mental Health Problem -- That Lacks Critical Thinking and Common Sense.
What to tell Elk County
politicians ?
Just Say
NO !
NO more giving away taxpayer money !NO wasteful spending !NO more property tax increase.NO can be very POSITIVE!
PLEASE READ
A guy looked at a friend's Harley and said "I wonder how many people
could have been fed for the money that motorcycle cost."
He replied, "I'm not sure.
It fed a lot of families in Milwaukee , Wisconsin who built it,
it fed the people who make the tires,
it fed the people who made the components that went into it,
it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires,
it fed people in Decatur IL . at Caterpillar who make the trucks that
haul the copper ore.
so I guess I really don't know how many people it fed."
That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them dignity for their skills.
When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their
dignity and self-worth.
Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.
Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something
down your throat that you never asked for.
--
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
Quote from: ROSS on October 21, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
Do some meaningful research and then tell the folks on this forum what Thomas Jefferson's actual relationship was in reference to this quote.
Quote from: ROSS on October 21, 2016, 07:12:09 PM
PLEASE READ
A guy looked at a friend's Harley and said "I wonder how many people
could have been fed for the money that motorcycle cost."
He replied, "I'm not sure.
It fed a lot of families in Milwaukee , Wisconsin who built it,
it fed the people who make the tires,
it fed the people who made the components that went into it,
it fed the people in the copper mine who mined the copper for the wires,
it fed people in Decatur IL . at Caterpillar who make the trucks that
haul the copper ore.
so I guess I really don't know how many people it fed."
That is the difference between capitalism and welfare mentality.
When you buy something, you put money in people's pockets, and give
them dignity for their skills.
When you give someone something for nothing, you rob them of their
dignity and self-worth.
Capitalism is freely giving your money in exchange for something of value.
Socialism is taking your money against your will and shoving something
down your throat that you never asked for.
--
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
Quote from: W. Gray on October 21, 2016, 08:13:20 PM
Do some meaningful research and then tell the folks on this forum what Thomas Jefferson's actual relationship was in reference to this quote.
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle !You couldn't just say politely state that rhe statement was erroneously attributed to Jefferson?
However, isn't the statement still true when removing, "Thomas Jefferson" from the statement, as I just
did:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Are Socialism and Democracy compatible? This was the point and purpose of the post !
Yes, Socialism and Democracy are compatible. You see it all the time right here in the uSA.
How do you think the socialists advance their cause? They vote themselves more money - more stuff.
In Elk County, you seem to get in their way by opposing their schemes.
Quote from: redcliffsw on October 22, 2016, 07:53:55 AM
Yes, Socialism and Democracy are compatible. You see it all the time right here in the uSA.
How do you think the socialists advance their cause? They vote themselves more money - more stuff.
In Elk County, you seem to get in their way by opposing their schemes.
Won't Socialism eventually errode Democracy ?
I have done my best to help you folks here in Elk County but, it's almost time for me to lay down the torch.
I did my studies to put together a legal document called an Opposition Petition to tell the West Elk USD-282 School Board and School Superintendent – No You Can Not use a Resolution to raise our property taxes, you must bring the property tax to the voters.
I spent many hours driving from town to town and on many county roads knocking on doors soliciting your support by asking for your signatures. I was and still am grateful for each and every signature and I am proud of each and every person that signed the petition.
The bad deal last fall, was they still raised our property taxes?
Remember the scam they perpetrated against us.
After doing the Resolution for 8 mil, the Superintendent wrote a letter that he sent home with each student and posted at various business and on this forum and the newspaper. He stated the board voted to take only 4 mil of the 8 mil. I told you it made no difference what they voted and that they could come back later for the rest. Well, they did violate the law and raised property taxes 6.377 mil.
That was 2.377 mil more than what they voted to take.
How does it feel to be lied and scammed by your local elected officials ?
I'm sure, you would ask, how could they do that to us !
It's simple folks!
The West Elk USD-282 School Board and/or School Superintendent have no respect for you the taxpayer, you the registered voter or the law.
THEY BLATANTLY VIOLATED KANSAS STATE LAW !
What law ?
This Law K. S. A. 12-1774
K. S. A. means Kansas Statutes Annotated
This is how corruption gets it's foot hold in government. Local Government as well as big Gonerment.
They blatantly ignore the law and then who knows how far they will go?
And these are the people you entrust the education of your children too !
How great is that, they allow lies and steal from you and you trust them.
I would not dare say this, if I didn't have a paper trail and documentation to protect
myself from a possible law suit. And as you know a minor amount of the documentation were
printed in the Prairie Star.
I wrote a letter and sent documentation to the Head of the Kansas State Department of Education.
His response, we have no control over local School Boards.
I don't buy it !
If the the number of drop outs were to drastically decline or the number of students failing were to drastically increase, the KSDE would be here in Elk County or have the Local School Board answering to them immediately.
I wrote a letter and sent documentation to the Kansas Attorney General and Governor Brownback.
At the Kansas Attorney General's office I first had to deal with the very most insignificant employees, which is standard operating procedure for most government agencies. Of course I was told things that were not beneficial to my cause. They basically said they would not get involved.
I finally got one of the insignificant to get my message to one of the, I assume many Deputy Attorney General's. I did receive a letter from this person which was basically designed to give me the brush-off in hopes of shutting me up. I did respond to her letter and informed her, I was sending a copy of her letter along with a letter to the Governor. I also sent a copy of my letter to the Governor to her.
I received a letter from the Governor stating that his Constituent Services, "Recommended that my office ask the Attorney General to review your concerns. I am forwarding your letter to the attention of Secretary Crystal Moe for further consideration."
I searched the internet for Secretary Crystal Moe, all I could learn was that she is the Executive Secretary and her phone number at the Capital. So, I gave her a call and hee response was, we can npt enforce every law. To me that is un acceptable. I feel that tax fraud by any governing body by breaking the law and effectively robbing the taxpayer deserves considerable attention by the Attorney General 's Office. Don't you?
I think, I may write one more letter to Governor Brownback.
Like I said, it's almost time for me to lay down the torch.
The reason, I am saying this again is to offer someone, anyone the information to write a legal
Opposition Petition !
Someone should have the information because, all the local governments will likely begin using Resolutions in the newspaper starting in 2017 to avoid asking permission of the voters who would most likely say no..
WHY?
Starting in 2017 Kansas State law limits their ability to raise property taxes no more than the
Consumer Prixe Index (CPI). And if there is a bunch of liberal progrissive socialists in
local offices that won't be near enough money. So, they will be looking at using RESOLUTIONS
to get larger amounts of money. We are talking about County and City and School District Government's.
If anyone is interested in doing Opposition Petitions yearly, to tell these governments no, don't raise our taxes Resolution (Especially if they give phony excuses like the the two West Elk did.) Please feel free to Private Message me and I will provide you all the information I can.
I have not seen the ballot but I know West Elk USD-282 is on the November ballot, I have heard they are asking for 4 mil. I'll tell you, I will vote against the increase.
WHY?
They lied on both Resolutions, they cheated the law of one Opposition Petition and raised taxes
illegally. Also I, would continue to deny any future tax increases until the School Board called for a State Audit of their books.
WHY?
Because, I feel there must be a serious problem or problems for them to scam and lie so much. And the fact that they do not accept citizen input through an open forum. And because they have avoided advice they paid for with our tax dollars.
The truth hurts, people. But when your elected representatives lie and work against you, that is what you get, hurt.
This post represents my personal feelings and opinions.
And it is perfectly fine with me if you disagree with me!
I prefer you talk with your friends and family and form your own opinions.
That is what this all about, civil responsibility.
I have returned with a modification to add a picture of the letter from Governor Brownback.
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Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 06:54:41 AM
Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle !You couldn't just say politely state that rhe statement was erroneously attributed to Jefferson?
However, isn't the statement still true when removing, "Thomas Jefferson" from the statement, as I just
did:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who
are willing to work and give to those who would not."
Are Socialism and Democracy compatible? This was the point and purpose of the post !
You made the point of the post as being a quote from Thomas Jefferson to support what you said.
Why didn't you do some research to determine if Jefferson had actually made that statement in the first place?
Quote from: W. Gray on October 22, 2016, 08:20:09 AM
You made the point of the post as being a quote from Thomas Jefferson to support what you said.
Why didn't you do some research to determine if Jefferson had actually made that statement in the first place?
No sir the point of the post is in the body of the post
You recognized an error and instead of politely pointing it out, you said research it.
I researched it and politely acknowledge the error and removed Thomas Jefferson from the quote in that very post.
What, more do you want with your trolling?
Try to have a nice day !
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 08:31:13 AM
No sir the point of the post is in the body of the post
You recognized an error and instead of politely pointing it out, you said research it.
I researched it and politely acknowledge the error and removed Thomas Jefferson from the quote in that very post.
What, more do you want with your trolling?
Try to have a nice day !
Why wouldn't you do your research beforehand? Especially, when there is a wealth of information on the web refuting the fact that Jefferson did not say what you said he did. Shouldn't you be doing better than that?
A major blunder like that in which you quote a very famous person to support what you are posting and then you do absolutely no research to determine if the quote is true, is just being uninformed, hasty, and sloppy on your part.
I don't see that you changed your original post to eliminate Jefferson's name or provide a disclaimer.
But, if you do eliminate Jefferson and leave just the quote, who will you be showing as the author of the quote?
Quote from: W. Gray on October 22, 2016, 09:30:43 AM
Why wouldn't you do your research beforehand? Especially, when there is a wealth of information on the web refuting the fact that Jefferson did not say what you said he did. Shouldn't you be doing better than that?
A major blunder like that in which you quote a very famous person to support what you are posting and then you do absolutely no research to determine if the quote is true, is just being uninformed, hasty, and sloppy on your part.
I don't see that you changed your original post to eliminate Jefferson's name or provide a disclaimer.
But, if you do eliminate Jefferson and leave just the quote, who will you be showing as the author of the quote?
Why are you so disturbed over nothing ?
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 11:27:54 AM
Why are you so disturbed over nothing ?
Don't you want to try to improve yourself?
Being sloppy in doing research causes your credibility to continue to suffer.
Being sloppy in that one area of research, means that you are more than likely being just as sloppy, perhaps more so, in other areas of research such as your other posts, your petitions, your everyday interactions, etc.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 22, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
Don't you want to try to improve yourself?
Being sloppy in doing research causes your credibility to continue to suffer.
Being sloppy in that one area of research, means that you are more than likely being just as sloppy, perhaps more so, in other areas of research such as your other posts, your petitions, your everyday interactions, etc.
And for you being so dissturbed over nothing and stressing so much about nothing shows you need a vacation.
Which would be hralthier for you than all this trolling.
Take a deep breath and release slowly to relax. Advice from Dr. Ross Dog Food, dog gong good.
(wish I owned that company, I'd move it here to my little 60 acres. That would shake up the whole coounty and bribg life to it) LOL
Find something else to do, instead of trying to put me down. You do not posses that ability.
I never see you posting wnything meaningfiul. Please give that a try!
Bye-bye
Quote from: W. Gray on October 22, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
Don't you want to try to improve yourself?
Being sloppy in doing research causes your credibility to continue to suffer.
Being sloppy in that one area of research, means that you are more than likely being just as sloppy, perhaps more so, in other areas of research such as your other posts, your petitions, your everyday interactions, etc.
I do not need your approval of my posts and have not asked for it, plain and simple !
If you paid just a little bit to what I post you would notice that I do not try to control what people think.
1. I have said many times these are my thoughts and feelings and opinions.
2. I tell folks not to make them their thoughts and feelings and opinions.
3. I do not ask that they believe anything I post, infact just the opposite.
4. I may occassionally SUGGEST that they consider discussing something with family and/or friends.
So you see, what I post is really of no importance.
So why waste your time stressing over nothing?
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 05:46:48 PM
I do not need your approval of my posts and have not asked for it, plain and simple !
If you paid just a little bit to what I post you would notice that I do not try to control what people think.
1. I have said many times these are my thoughts and feelings and opinions.
2. I tell folks not to make them their thoughts and feelings and opinions.
3. I do not ask that they believe anything I post, infact just the opposite.
4. I may occassionally SUGGEST that they consider discussing something with family and/or friends.
So you see, what I post is really of no importance.
So why waste your time stressing over nothing?
Are you apologizing to all the people on the forum for your "unimportance?"
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 05:29:52 PM
And for you being so dissturbed over nothing and stressing so much about nothing shows you need a vacation.
Which would be hralthier for you than all this trolling.
Take a deep breath and release slowly to relax. Advice from Dr. Ross Dog Food, dog gong good.
(wish I owned that company, I'd move it here to my little 60 acres. That would shake up the whole coounty and bribg life to it) LOL
Find something else to do, instead of trying to put me down. You do not posses that ability.
I never see you posting wnything meaningfiul. Please give that a try!
Bye-bye
Since about 2011, I have seen only one person on this forum who has put down, sullied, debased, tarnished, besmirched, or degraded the reputation of one L.W. Ross.
That one person is L.W. Ross.
Why don't you consider reaching down and pulling on your bootstraps?
Quote from: W. Gray on October 22, 2016, 08:10:37 PM
Since about 2011, I have seen only one person on this forum who has put down, sullied, debased, tarnished, besmirched, or degraded the reputation of one L.W. Ross.
That one person is L.W. Ross.
Why don't you consider reaching down and pulling on your bootstraps?
You sure are silly.
You Must have a college degree from one of them liberal colleges that teaches stupidity, because what you just posted makes no sense at all.
And you nor anyone else can
or ever will be able to "put down, sullied, debased, tarnished, besmirched, or degraded the reputation of one L.W. Ross". (quoting your words)
Your envy of me is very unbecoming
!You need to get a life and try to avoid being so hateful.
Are you aware that hate can consume you?
So, please for your own sake put on a smile and a happy face and enjoy life.
Life is to short not too.
And in my prayers tonight, I'll ask God to help you with that.
Good night and may you have hapy dreams.
W. Gray is defending socialism. He's contributing his small part his way so you got his attention.
It's better if you make a mistake than to cling to the cause of socialism as many Americans increasingly follow that course.
Quote from: ROSS on October 22, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
You sure are silly.
You Must have a college degree from one of them liberal colleges that teaches stupidity, because what you just posted makes no sense at all.
And you nor anyone else can or ever will be able to "put down, sullied, debased, tarnished, besmirched, or degraded the reputation of one L.W. Ross". (quoting your words)
Your envy of me is very unbecoming!
You need to get a life and try to avoid being so hateful.
Are you aware that hate can consume you?
So, please for your own sake put on a smile and a happy face and enjoy life.
Life is to short not too.
And in my prayers tonight, I'll ask God to help you with that.
Good night and may you have hapy dreams.
You have shown yourself to be a failure at playing with petitions.
You have shown that you cannot get the state or the school board and most anyone else to listen and heed what you write or say.
Your favorite personal defense seems to be to use third grade tactics and tell people to "stuff it" or call them a liar.
You have demonstrated that you cannot do research.
You have admitted that you are nothing and you have admitted that your posts are inconsequential.
You have shown a propensity to have no respect for females, especially those with authority.
You appear to have been unwilling at any time in your life to have tried to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
What do you think is L.W. Ross's purpose in this life? What, if anything, do you think you have accomplished?
I'm sorry but you asked for it! An old Navy remark, often said in jest by other sailors/
You are so full of shit surely your eyes must be brown !
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You have shown yourself to be a failure at playing with petitions.
you are so wrong. I have successfully written two Opposition Petitions and collected more than the required signatures of registered voters and had them checked against the County, list by the County Clerk who also registered in the County Records after notorizinh it.
I have been told these two petitions are the first successful petitions in Elk County.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You have shown that you cannot get the state or the school board and most anyone else to listen and heed what you write or say.
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I have shown the ignorance and/or the corruption of the West Elk School Board and their lack of respect for Kansas State Law.. I have shown that the state refuses to do their jobs.
However, after pounding on the West Elk School Board about violating State law last fall because of the Opposition Petition signed by so many of the great registered voters, opposing the School Boards spring Resolution's that was asking for an 8 mil property tax the were forced to put it on the November
ballot. But guess what? They are asking for 4 mil in hopes that the voters will go for it, most likely they feltrhat voters would not go for 8 mil.
So guess again, someone is paying attention!!!!
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Your favorite personal defense seems to be to use third grade tactics and tell people to "stuff it" or call them a liar.
A liar is a liar and deserves to be called out in sincerity, nothing third grade about that.
Saying, "Stuff It " is actually being polite when much stronger language is actually warranted.
You need not thank me for being polite !!
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You have demonstrated that you cannot do research.
You are still stressing over nothing, do yourself a favor, take a break from it !!!
I spenr two weeks searching for information in order to write two legal documents tthat both passed muster perfectly. They are called Opposition Petitions a single error would have had the m rejected.
So yes, "Sit On It"
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You have admitted that you are nothing and you have admitted that your posts are inconsequential.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You have shown a propensity to have no respect for females, especially those with authority.
Apparently you are referring to the women on this forum that have been extremely rude and mean.
You are right they do not automatically deserve respect, the must earn it just as a man must.
When a person disses:
1. My son
2. Our Veterans
3. Our Veterans Military Educations Education
4. Our Veterans benefits
They deserve no respect from me no matter what their gender.
So trying the tiring liberal sexist is a waste of time.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
You appear to have been unwilling at any time in your life to have tried to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.
You have no idea of what you speak !
It is apparent you have not read whar I have posted of my hardships on this forum.
The only thing is I refered to them as challenges instead of hardships. Why? Because I had God's help and guidance all along the way. I very strongly believe in the power of prayer.
What do you think is L.W. Ross's purpose in this life? What, if anything, do you think you have accomplished?
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Perhaps to open your eyes to you angry and hateful attitude.
I can hear your pleas in your posts.
Just let it go and smile and laugh and brighten you life.
And above all ask God for guidance.
It is totally up to each and every persons ability to choose what they choose to believe, and that includes you as well !
HANG IN THERE WALDO, THERE ARE A BIG LOT OF PEOPLE IN HOWARD AND ELK COUNTY THAT AGREE WITH YOU AND LIKE WHAT YOU SAY. WELL THE SUN IS DOWN IN TEXAS AND IT IS TIME FOR US TO GO SOME PLACE. ALL YOU GOOD PEOPLE IN HOWARD AND ELK COUNTY HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Quote from: frawin on October 23, 2016, 05:13:02 PM
HANG IN THERE WALDO, THERE ARE A BIG LOT OF PEOPLE IN HOWARD AND ELK COUNTY THAT AGREE WITH YOU AND LIKE WHAT YOU SAY. WELL THE SUN IS DOWN IN TEXAS AND IT IS TIME FOR US TO GO SOME PLACE. ALL YOU GOOD PEOPLE IN HOWARD AND ELK COUNTY HAVE A GREAT DAY.
Not true Waldo !
Only liberals believe your garbage !
And they are few
Plenty of conservativesfrom Howard and through out Elk County signed the petitions
as well as voters in Severy.
You see the wannbe Texan does not know of wehat he speaks.
Ya'all be sure to run out there and vvote for the lyin, cheatin, theivin, foul mouthed Liberal Killary Klinton, the lover of the KKK, ya hear.
Politicians aside, what is it with the problem you have with women?
Have you had bad relationships in the past?
Have you ever talked with a counselor to discuss your problem?
Some professionals believe that men who disrespect women have extremely low self-esteem. Your self-esteem seems to be totally absent.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Politicians aside, what is it with the problem you have with women?
Well Hillary Gray I have no problem with women only liberals.
Liberals don't seem to have respect for anything but perversions, such as this post,
Therefore I find them quite entertaining. They also lack a sense of humor.
So here I am ROFLMAO at you and them weirdos.
No offense meant, maybe!
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Have you had bad relationships in the past?
No, just presently with perverted liberals on this forum, but not enough
to fret over. Just laughable. And I love to laugh.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Have you ever talked with a counselor to discuss your problem?
I have no problem, ButI believe you do. I did say I would pray for you to find happiness.
I think perhaps I should pray for your healing. Yes I'll do that in my nightly prayers,
starting tonight, and pray that you find some peace.
Quote from: W. Gray on October 23, 2016, 08:01:29 PM
Some professionals believe that men who disrespect women have extremely low self-esteem. Your self-esteem seems to be totally absent.
Now that is completely, mean and hateful resembling bullying.
Is that what your major problem is, have you been hurt so badly as a child
that you rely on bullying people?
Now that I think of it, everything you have posted these couple of days has
been of a bullying nature. In fact most of your posts on this thread have
been of a bullying nature of meanness and hatefulness.
Now, I feel so sorry for you, having to bear all that anger.
May God help you and give you peace.
I apologize for laughing you, please forgive me.
Good Night Waldo
In your ramblings in which you are pondering whether to lay down a torch, you seem to be saying that you are fearful of being sued.
Who are you afraid of that might bring a law suit against you?
What grounds would they have?
Have people sued you or have threatened to sue you in the past? What for? How many times?
Quote from: W. Gray on October 24, 2016, 04:59:00 PM
In your ramblings in which you are pondering whether to lay down a torch, you seem to be saying that you are fearful of being sued.
Who are you afraid of that might bring a law suit against you?
What grounds would they have?
Have people sued you or have threatened to sue you in the past? What for? How many times?
Visiting with you andealing with your ignorant liberal thing has been entertaining as all git out.
But enough is enough, because you are now very boring and you ignorance of understanding an liberal word twisting has become nauseous feeling like we are about to vomit.
So hurry up and vote for KILLARY. Ignorance fit's you well.
BYE-BYE
Quote from: ROSS on October 24, 2016, 07:43:24 PM
Visiting with you andealing with your ignorant liberal thing has been entertaining as all git out.
But enough is enough, because you are now very boring and you ignorance of understanding an liberal word twisting has become nauseous feeling like we are about to vomit.
So hurry up and vote for KILLARY. Ignorance fit's you well.
BYE-BYE
You mention a possible law suit, but you don't know why anyone would want to bring one against you?
And, you have, in fact, faced legal proceedings before?
One would think that with as low self-esteem as you seem to have, you would want to get it all out there in print for all to see, swagger about it, bluster a bit—a badge of honor so to speak.
Perhaps, the judge or the complainant or both were female.
What a beautiful October yesterday was. I took the family and three extra kids and an elderly cousin to the Neewollah Grand Parade in Independence. I was pleasantly surprised to see the West Elk band. They
performed and sounded pretty good. I was also
very pleased to see
Atty. Gen. Derrick Schmidt in the parade.
In fact, I was so pleased to see Atty. Gen. Derick Schmidt in the parade, I missed most of the parade.
I immediately headed over, to about two blocks from where the parade ends and flaged the gentleman, he remembered meeting me in Moline. We walked and talked for quite a spell. It was well worth missing the parade for.
I broke through all the
firewalls between the people and the Atty. Gen. yesterday
I told him, I had been writing his office and the Governor's office about West Elk raising our property taxes illegally last fall.
I told him, I managed to finally to get past the firewall between the Governor and the people, that are designed to dissuade people. I informed him that the letter, I received from the Governor said, his constituent services told him to read my complaint. And that the Governor then sent a letter to the Atty. Gens. Executive Secretary. I told Mr. Schmidt I found her name and phone number and gave her a phone call and that she said they could not go after every case. I said that is poor excuse. when a government agency is stealing money from the taxpayers in Kansas by breaking the law. He said, he heard that there was a discrepancy in the petition. I assured him there was not, because theSchool District came back again this spring with yet another resolution to raise taxes another 8 mil and that I used the very same format for another opposition petition and now it is on the November ballot.
Folks, if they would have found any discrepancy, they had a specific amount of time to contest it in a court of law and they did not do so. They simply chose to ignore the laws of the state and flip the
finger at every property owner in the West Elk USD-282 School District.
If you choose to vote to allow them to raise your propty taxes another 8 ml on election day you deserve the future abuses they will heap on you,
I informed Mr. Schmidt that even though, I happen to like our Superintendent and that he is a very intelligent man, I don't appreciate the fac that he controls and manipulates the school board. I informed him thar our school board members don't even realize they are being controlled and manipulated. I informed him that the school superintendent sits at the head of the school board table at the elbow of the President of the board. Mr Schmidt immediately replied, "That's your problem, the school superintendent
should be removed from the board." I responded that the elected board members do not know their jobs or that would have been corrected long ago. Folks, I can almost guarantee you that Mr. Moore is fully aware that it is extremely improper for him to sit on the board. Mr. Moore claimed the board invited him to sit on the board. He knows
damn good and well the board members do not possess that right. There is no excuse for Mr. Moore to be sitting on the board. He is required as an employee of the board to be present for board meetings and to report to board his activities and to answer any questions the board directs to him. He has no more right to interrupt the board meeting than you or I do. If you or I disrupted the board meeting as freqently as Mr. Moore does you can safely bet a years income that the Sheriff would be summoned. Mr. Moore is simply an employee of the board, just like the maintenance man or any other employee. Even the school secretary should not be sitting on the board, that is very improper, she should be sitting at a separate desk. Only elected officials should be sitting at the board.
Moving on !
The bottom line on the illegal taxation by West Elk is that I would hope that the Attorney Gemeral will tend to the legaal issue and do something about i,not so much for me, even though I am a senior citizen, but for the more elderly that cannot afford the excessive taxation. The fact hat many of the elderly do without medications in order to pay their property taxes should motiVate him.
I informed the AG about how the School District shut down the grade schools and then wasted
$100,000.00 (+) on archeticts and contractors even though the knew the voters would say no. And how they did it again a year later and another $100,000.00 (+) wasted on architects and contractors even though they knew the voters would say no.
I told the AG I would sure like to see State Audit of West Elk USD-282 financial books because I am suspicious of them for their attitude about raising property taxes and fudging the truth about state funding of West Elk USD-282.
I informed him of bad attitudes I encountered at West Elk and why I pulled my son out of the school.
I'm going into all the details here ! But I informed the AG that Elk Valley
worked hand over fist with me and the fact I was welcomed to come to school at any time I wanted and to sit in the class rooms at anytime. I did both and often. I truthfully expected them to tire of me and become frustrated with me and they never did.
I informed the AG of the following present day fiasco:Rumor has it !
But, I very much believe every word of it !A young man, a football player from West Elk School District was supposedly busted as a minor having consumed an alcoholic beverage of some sort. This was in a County other than Elk County and not on school time, or during school activities.
Before school even started for the day, in the commissary, in front of everyone, a student who is a School Board members daughter, supposedly and boldly informed the young man, that her daddy was going to the School Board and have him suspended and he would not be able to play football.
The problem with this is this young lady should never have known anything about it, but then to attack the young man with the information, in the lunchroom, in front of everyone present, was very, demeaning to the young man , I'm sure! Also it was a form of bullying.
(My thought is that School Board member at one School Board meeting said they need to teach "Critical Thinking" In the class rooms. Perhaps he, himself should take a course in "Critical Thinking". He had absolutely no business discussing a topic he planned to take to Executive Session at a board meeting with his school age daughter or anyone else oyt side of the Executive Session. This is one reason I say that don't know their jobs.)
The West Elk School Board just like any other School Board Goes into "Executive Session" during meetings to discuss matters concerning students to protect the students identity. Yet this school board member way overstepped the rules and policies of West Elk School District and apparently told his daughter who Boldly announced it in the school commissary, before it was taken up by the School Board. I feel that if this is true, the actions of both the School Board member (dad) and daughter's were of a bullying nature, vindictive and mean. The School Board member should be removed from office and his daughter should be placed on suspension for bullying.
The young man was placed on 30 days suspension for something that had nothing what-so-ever to do with the West Elk School District.
What happened to
"INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY" by a court of law?
The misdemeanor charge against the young man was eventually dropped by the other County.
And yet the young man is still on suspension.Reportedly, the night of the School Board meeting, the boys mother showed up to attend the School Board meeting and
was not permitted to enter the building. Her entry into the building was blocked by a school employee. That action was totally illegal. A violation of the Kansas State "OPEN MEETINGS ACT/LAW".
The parent could have been invited to the "Executive Session" had she gained entrance.From my understanding things did not stop there. Supposedly the football team was told if the young man says one bad word he will not be permitted to play football.
(what boy that age playing football never utters a bad word?)
And again, it reportedly went even further, the young man was reportedly subjected to hazing and no action taken concerning the hazing that is known of.
I find all this very disturbing of the School Board and all those involved.
Remember last year, when several football players were busted for peering into the girls dressing room and at least one using his cell phone to make a video. The boys reportedly received suspension but were permitted to continue playing football. My question is, why were the boys, that were peeping tom's on school property allowed to play football while on suspension, and another football player on suspension for an off campus, out of County situation that has been dismissed, not allowed to play football ?
I suppose if 3 other football players were involved, they would be allowed to play. Because with 4 team members not permitted to play would mean West Elk would not have enough players for a teak and would have to forfeit several games.
And football is far more important, more important than education to allow that to happen isn't it?
I repeat his is the school my son was suppose to attend, but it was the schools
over all bad attitude that I never allowed my son to continue to attend that school.
I also repeated verbatim my conversation with the County Commissioners concerning raising our property taxes after giving away $100,000.00. (You can read the the discussion by scrolling back in this thread.)
Please be aware that several left wing liberals are bound to go ballistic on this post of critical thinking.
The best thing to do is just ignore them, this is my advice to myself --- let them go ballistic and ignore their nasty attitude and remarks.
I sure hope, I can restrain myself. LOL
Elk County should have special appreciation day for all the hard working lady's of the Elk County Government because with out their diligence for their jobs Elk County would be sunk.YES, yesterday was a very good day.
A reminder;
I do not expect anyone to believe a word of my expressed opinions or feelings.
I prefer you find out for yourself and develop your very own opinions or feelings.
Opposition Petition
Copy it, Download it or print it.
It's up to you.
This same format may be able to be used for County Resolutions
and City Resolutions. Research the County and City options or ask an attorney.
For the School District you have 40 days from the second newspaper printing of the resolution to gather signatures and get Notatized byb the County clerk.
You required to first, hand carry or snail mail the Opposition Petition to the County Counselor.
The County Counselor has 5 days to respond to the legal validity of the Opposition Petition !
Our County Counselor necer responded, I guess he must not have known or understood the law concerning the Resolution and Opposition Petition. Thats okay, because after you 5 day waitihg period you are free to continue and start collecting your signatures of registered voters.
The county Clerk will provide you with the exact number of registered voters signatures required. And she may provide you with a list of the registered voters required. I highly reccomend collecting 150 -200% of the required number because you will surely collect signatures that are not registered and the County Clerk will scratch the and they will not count towards the required number of registered voters.
Forbthe body of the Resolution copy precisely the Resolution in the newspaper word for word, punctuation mark for punction mark.
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The County Clerk will then deliver the completed forms to the proper person or persons.
I syggest you resquest a copy of the final package for your own records.
I will not be available to do this for any longer due to personal reasons.
GOOD LUCK
I am so happy to see there were enough people to realize that West Elk USD-282 does not need excessive funds to operate.
My Thanks to all who signed the Opposition Petitions and voted "NO" on the USD-282 School Board attempt to once again raise property taxes.
And I sincerely hope that West Elk USD-282 School Board understands the message.
Operate EFFECTIVELY and EFFICIENTLY !
In order to do that they need to learn what their jobs amount to.
They need to study the Kansas State Board of Education's web site and the Kansas State Statutes.
When they realize that the Superintendent is not their boss but their empkoyer and remove him from the board of elected officials as well as all other non-elected personal then and only then will they be displaying some intelligence and common sense.
CONGRATULATIONS TO
SHERIFF DOUG HANKS !
They've had excessive funds for years. How much more government control and funding is needed to fulfill the imaginations of the liberals to make America great by and thru government's agenda for education of the population?
If you want to your kids to be communists, then send 'em to a government school.
I hope someone is keeping an eye on the newspaper for a new
West Elk USD-282 "RESOLUTION" to raise property taxes again.
They got got voted "NO'' on the ballot, so yes West Elk USD-282
most likely be doing another "RESOLUTION", and another, and another, and another.
Some one and their friends needs to be prepared to stop them.
I did it twice for you and wish I could continue but can not for personal reasons
that won't permit me the time to do so. I'm Sorry about that.
I will be more than happy to provide limited assistance to
anyone who wants to do an Opposition Petition.
Good luck with that!
They're not going to quit. It'll be a battle every year forever, or until this whole thing falls apart.
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LA Times Lists Several
Reliable Conservative Outlets
as Fake News Sites to Avoid
Notably absent from its "not-reliable news sites" MSNBC, Huffington Post, LA Times, etc.
This exactly what the news media has become, even the local rags.
UNRELIABLE
FAKE
UNVERIFIED
It appears to me that the editor Rudy Taylor of the Prairie Star could care less about what is printed in his newspaper. So I'm not trying to score any points with any of the so called elites and haven't since the inception of this thread.
Mr. Taylor has apparently, printed an article on page two of this weeks paper from School West Elk USD-282 Superintendent Moore
without bothering to read it, proof read it or fact check it. To me it is Apparent he just doesn't care what he prints.
It is very UN-professional in my opinion and shows a very biased attitude.
The article I'm referring to is
"USD 282 superintendent responds to last week's turn down on school tax request."
First the article says the vote was 473 no votes to 655 yes voters. If that was true the tax hike would have been, approved would it not?
Next the article says that Mr Moore said,
"there was much confusion on the capital out lay question". It is my opinion if they wrote up the truth about what they want the money for, there would be no confusion. If they stated the exact amount of mill increase they want, instead of asking for 8 mill and verbally saying trust us to only take 4 mill, there would be no confusion.
The article then goes on to say, in Superintendent Moore's attempt to be Politically Correct in manner, calling me a
liar. Both and Rudy Taylor and Superintendent Moore know exactly who I am, by name, but are to
cowardly to use my name.
The article says and I quote, "First, the board was NOT going to save the additional 4 mills that be vote would have secured to build an elementary school. That was shared by the person that was gaining petition signatures to block our ability to budget and additional for Mills for Capital out lay expenditures," "Moore said."
THIS FOLKS IS A BOLD FACED LIE BY SUPERINTENDENT MOORE !
"First, the board was NOT going to save the additional 4 mills that be vote would have secured to build an elementary school. That was shared by the person that was gaining petition signatures to block our ability to budget and additional for Mills for Capital out lay expenditures," "Moore said." LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE --- LIE ---
That was shared by the person that was gaining petition signatures
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Well, I am not a
Politically Correct person and I will therefore repeat myself and will directly call
SUPERINTENDENT MOORE a liar. Because, that is exactly what he has done, is
lie in making the above statement.
I did on several occasions tell people that, I saw no proof of any truth in that rumor and that they could not do that. Just think for a moment ---- if the school system were to get $2000.00 per mill --- 4 mill wold be $8000.00 per year--- how many years would it take to acquire $6 Million to build a new grade school provising the cost did not esculate? I really don't know how much each mill is worth to the schoo, this is simply to show that 5 years at 4 mill is impossible to build a new grade school.
Now, I am beginning to believe that rumor, as well as other rumors may have got their start directly from SUPERINTENDENT MOORE?
How can I make such a decision ?
Critical thinking!
That's how.
I had never heard of the rumors, until I read
SUPERINTENDENT MOORE's letters
to the public,
to parents
and to the newspaper.
What better way to start a wide spread bunch of rumors, could there possibly be ?
None better than denying them, even though they may not exist.
And all those political letters at taxpayers expense.Mr. Moore in my opinion wanted to make sure you know, in the newspaper article, that an Opposition Petition is only good for the year it is written. I will go one step further with that. The Opposition Petition is only good for the published Opposition Petition for which it is written. Next, I have not read where there is any limitations on how frequent they can publish new Resolutions, so each time they write a new Resolution a new Opposition Petition needs to be written. I believe Mr. Moore broached this item, because he is planning to launch another Resolution after the first of the year, with the intention 9f catching everyone off guard because of the holidays and the up coming Presidential inauguration.
If West Elk USD-282 had an intelligent school board, they would remove the superintendent and any one else not elected to serve on the board, from the board, because they do not belong on the board. If West Elk USD-282 had an intelligent school board, they would request a complete audit of the school to include financial and operation of the school.The key word here is "INTELLIGENT" !
Plain and Simple !
In closing let me say in my opinion Mr. Taylor and Mr. Moore could care less, about how much financial pain they exert on you or the Elk County Economy as long as there is a
football game or some other sport,
Please remember as I have always said, these are my own feelings, thoughts and opinions.
And I do nor ask you to believe a single word I post.
I simply ask that you be aware of what the people you elect are or are not capable of and
develop your own opinions.
Good night folks have a great weekend.
"If, generally, we've got elections that aren't focused on issues and are full of fake news and false information and distractions, then the issue is not going to be what's happening from the outside; the issue is going to be what are we doing for ourselves from the inside," he claimed. "The good news is that's something that we have control over.
This is a quote from Obama at https://www.oathkeepers.org/globalists-want-regain-control-public-opinion/
I am posting it because it made me think of the fake news printed in the Prarie Star where Superintendent Moore made the statement that the person gathering signatures was saying that they were savimg money to build a new grade school, That was a blatant lie. I have always said they waste your money, so hiw could they possiboy save any money?
And trusr me that is not the only fake news out of Weat Elk. Just read their Resolutions gor raising your property taxes, Very little of the information pertains to West Elk! How does it feel to be lied to just to get yoir money?
Another word for their acitivity in my opinion is PROPAGANDA !
Obama is one of them - the Republican establishment.
Have you noticed how much in common that Hillary and Obama have with the Republicans?
They kinda like each other more than we think. Do you think Trump will be buying into their thinking?
Ross you're on the outside just because you won't play along with their fake news and false flags.
Stay right in there.
"Champion of Social Justice."
That term has come to mean Marxism
and the implementation of
Communism.
It's just a prettier way to package something
very
Ugly.
As an Elk County citizen,property owner, taxpayer, voter and ten year military veteran, I expected far too much of
local politicians!
We live in a count of limited resources due to a small dwindling population, but wasteful spending by liberal politicians because they know they can just reach into the 9 wallet ! They also take it for granted that the population is either too
ignorant and or lazy to stand up and have the
backbone to be heard.
These politicians have been heard speaking of Elk County's failing economy and yet they have no clue or play dumb to the fact that they themselves are the biggest factor in the Elk County failing economy.
Raising property taxes, shutting down grade schools, fighting anyone wanting to open a business.
Raising taxes removes money from the pockets of consumers, which in turn removes money (profits) from local businesses that need more money to pay higher property taxes and they need that extra money to maintain their businesses.
But, as I said, I guess, I was expecting too much of local politicians,
I was expecting them to be better than the Washington, DC politicians..
I was expecting local politicians to be fair, honest, open, and accountable. Furthermore, I expect them to be a local government of the people, for the people and by the people not a local government of the Clique, for the Clique and by the Clique. But that is exactly what Elk County has.! A local government of the Clique, for the Clique and by the Clique.
Clique a small group of people;
I even expected local politicians to know and understand what their job is and perform in a professional manner. I expected of all people, the West Elk School Board Members to know and understand a minimum of protocol, of Roberts Rules of Order, of them to realize that the School Superintendent works for them and is answerable to them, not not the other way around.
That being made clear each and everyone of you board members should be able to comprehend you are responsible for all of his actions and lies and that is because you lack even an inclination as to what leadership is. You are ignorant and you prove it at every sloppy board meeting you attend. You sit there like the bobble heads you are eating cold cuts, cheese and cookies and just bobble.
I applaud your continued ignorance.
Perhaps one day you will depart zombie land and instruct your employee the Superintendent to order a STATE AUDIT of West Elk including the financial books. It is all to avoid in operating in a much more efficient and effective manner and saving the taxpayer from undue punishment in the form of excessive taxation.
When a county commissioner during an open to the public County Budget Hearing has the gall to say we are not here to answer to "We the People" you do not have a government of "We the People", instead you have a DICTATOR or a very ignorant person who does not understand the term "to Serve".0
Do you expect better from government? They're running the show in the schools and have been since the War Between the States. They're government schools. They can do no wrong as they are the experts in education and you pay them to indoctrinate you and others. They won the War which gives them the so-called right to indoctrinate generations to their cause instead of the cause of the Founders.
Between your county commission and school board, they have more rights than you. They ought to be defending your liberty, the peoples' liberty. Ain't gonna happen in these times - they're committed to another cause elsewhere beyond the county line and they have the Republican support to continue.
These apply to local government
as well
in my opinion !
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State should increase efficiency,
not taxes
NOVEMBER 26, 2016 5:04 AM
BY DAVE TRABERT
Many parents will soon be faced with the annual Christmas wish list dilemma – deciding how much of their kids' list they can afford without inflicting economic turmoil on the family. A lot of new legislators will face the same challenge come January, as granting everything on the vote-for-me list would require enormous tax increases on individuals, which in turn would negatively impact the Kansas economy.
Just granting the wishes to spend more on schools, highways, Medicaid expansion, and reducing the sales tax on food would cost about $1.25 billion. Eliminating the pass-through exemption would only generate $200 million (if that), and at least the first two years of that new tax would be needed to get reserves up the statutorily required level.
BY DAVE TRABERT
Many parents will soon be faced with the annual Christmas wish list dilemma – deciding how much of their kids' list they can afford without inflicting economic turmoil on the family. A lot of new legislators will face the same challenge come January, as granting everything on the vote-for-me list would require enormous tax increases on individuals, which in turn would negatively impact the Kansas economy.
Just granting the wishes to spend more on schools, highways, Medicaid expansion, and reducing the sales tax on food would cost about $1.25 billion. Eliminating the pass-through exemption would only generate $200 million (if that), and at least the first two years of that new tax would be needed to get reserves up the statutorily required level.
Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/article117120593.html#storylink=cpy
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GOVERNMENT'S ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY – PART 1
Dave Trabert November 28, 2016
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To get a firm understanding of government's entitlement mentality, imagine this conversation taking place at your neighbor's front door.
Susie: "Yes?"
Carmine: "Hi, my name is Carmine and I'm with the local school board. I'm here to collect what you owe."
Susie: "What do you mean? We paid our taxes."
Carmine: "On your income, sure, but your employer spent more on your health insurance last year and government counts that as in increase in your personal income, so I'm here to get our cut."
Susie: "That's ridiculous!"
Carmine: "Look, lady, we're entitled to a cut when personal income goes up. We don't care if it's because your employer spent more on your health care or if they put more into your retirement plan; we get our cut. It says here you have a small rental property and collected more rent; we want our cut of that, too."
Susie: "That only offset the higher property tax we had to pay; we didn't make more money."
Carmine: "Lady, I don't have time to argue; now pay up."
Read more at:https://kansaspolicy.org/governments-entitlement-mentality-part-1/
Efficiency in government? That's already been tried and the schools keep "needing" more money to operate.
That's what is driving away business in this country. Indoctrination cost money and limits individual liberty.
Fidel Castro is praised for his emphasis on health care and education in Cuba. It's the same thing the socialists are doing here. It's government power for stealing individual liberty. Of course, the Cubans never had much liberty before Castro came to power. Americans don't seem to want to increase liberty, they seem to prefer government over liberty - that's the Republican way ever since Lincoln and the Democrats have bought into the whole shebang even so many times leading the way nowadays.
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GOVERNMENT'S ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY – PART 1
Dave Trabert November 28, 2016
GO UP TWO POSTS !
GOVERNMENT'S ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY – PART 2
Patrick Parkes November 29, 2016
Government efforts to justify higher taxes while already spending more than necessary to provide essential services amounts to a direct assault on individuals' economic freedom, and that's what the Kansas Association of School Boards did last week. The first installment of their three-part series attempted to make the case that Kansas' personal income is growing slower than the national average, which they believes proves that tax reform didn't work and is therefore justification for a large tax increase (so they get their cut). Think about that; they say personal income is sluggish, and their solution is to make it worse with higher taxes!
The second installment of their series poses that Kansas tax revenue has not kept up with the growth in personal income, which they believe means taxes should be increased so they get more to spend. They ignore the fact that local school boards routinely choose to spend more than necessary, oppose common sense efficiency measures, and don't even spend all of the aid they already receive. just believe they are entitled to more of your money.
They claim that personal income measures "...how much people can spend, save and invest" but that's patently false. The government definition of personal income includes several amounts that don't show in people's pay checks and therefore aren't available to be taxed, including employer contributions for retirement and medical insurance, and even Medicaid and Medicare payments!
Comparing tax revenue to inflation, however, shows that government has been doing very nicely. Even after tax reform allowed citizens to keep more of their hard-earned money, General Fund tax revenue for FY 2016 was $860 million more than if it had been increased for inflation since FY 1995. And even that presumes that FY 1995 tax revenue was only enough to efficiently provide services, so the real excess taxation is far greater than $860 million.
Read more at: https://kansaspolicy.org/governments-entitlement-mentality-part-2/
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PUBLIC EDUCATION FUNDING AND A GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY – PART 3
David Dorsey December 1, 2016
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Patrick Parkes November 29, 2016
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Government efforts to justify higher taxes while already spending more than necessary to provide essential services amounts to a direct assault on individuals' economic freedom, and that's what the Kansas Association of School Boards did last week. The first installment of their three-part series attempted to make the case that Kansas' personal income is growing slower than the national average,
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What I have a problem understanding, is why people that live in small communities, such as Elk County complain about the problems
on the National level !
Why worry about that ?
If you don't care about the very same problems in your own backyard, why worry about the national level ?
You are being lied to frequently about how much money is needed to run a school effectively and efficiently in order to take more of your money
in the form of higher property taxes. But you don't care ! Have any of you demanded that the school board of idiots call for a state audit to find out
where all your money is going?
Elk County has a Council woman who says her job does not include answering to the people of Elk County. She said so during the
Elk County Budget Hearing. Do you care ?
She also gave away $100,000 dollars of your money, yes, your tax dollars,
Remember the Elk County "KKK'' ? No nothing racists. I speak of the Konnected Kounty Kommissioners ! You still have two on the
commissioner's board. Remember when Elk Konnected said they were not permitting the "Old Guard" to be a part of their organization?
Remember, they said they were making sure of that? Well it's always been my opinion th at Elk Konnected could not do that because they
were the "Old Guard" .
It was and is my opinion the reason the "Old Guard" put together Elk Konnected was to control the yearly Million dollars from the Wind Farm,
Look how poorly the "KKK'' (Konnected Kounty Kommissioners) have wasted the money ! Or actually how they have wasted the money like
tenagers with a twenty dollar bill burning a hole in there pocket.
County debts not paid off!
No real improvement to county roads!
No savings for emergency funds!
No vision of a future.
Giving away money as if a socialist government.
Just go back to page one of this thread and read the socialist ideas.
A reminder you have at least one of those socialists on the school board.
I wonder why anyone can complain about the National problems, when local problems go unnoticed.
That even includes fake news in local newspapers!
You see it's my belief if you can't straighten up government on the local level, beginning with the smallest of towns
and county governments you have no where to go !
If we could get local governments under control working for the people, then those politicians could use pressures to cause
the same to happen on the state levels.
And right on up to the National level.
There is no way to stop corruption from the top down.
Giving away taxpayer money is corruption?
Hiding theft by a county employee by county commissioners is corruption.
JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT !
Media that focus on scandals and spread fake news to smear politicians risk becoming like people who have a morbid fascination with excrement, Pope Francis said in an interview published on Wednesday.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-pope-media-idUKKBN13W23Y
Did I just read that right. The Pope just used the politically correct term for "shit" ?
He also said:
"I think the media have to be very clear, very transparent, and not fall into - no offence intended - the sickness of coprophilia, that is, always wanting to cover scandals, covering nasty things, even if they are true," he said.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-pope-media-idUKKBN13W23Y
Is this man for real? I think it takes a sick mind to make that sick bridge.
I had never heard that sick word in my entire 70 years. And I wish I hadn't heard it now !
Apparently he did not like the reporting the truth of the churches child sexual scandals.
But witout reporting it, it would most likely still be happening.
Is Pope Francis the False Prophet? - The WILD VOICE
We are Catholics. We follow Jesus Christ.
We are sinners. We are Christian.
thewildvoice.org/is-pope-francis-false-prophet
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I ask yoy, what has our world come to ?
I WISH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU
A BLESSED AND
MERRY CHRISTMAS
AND A
HAPPY NEW YEAR
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