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Title: Elk Konnected Hand out at County Commissioners meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 26, 2011, 08:00:15 AM
Okay, I recieved a copy of their hand out that Elk Konnected gave the Kounty Kommisioners yesterday. I scanned it in to my computer and the format changed a bit but the wording has not. I copied and pasted here. What you see is what you get.
I did the best I could.

Community Conversation Committee Report

Purpose of committee: Analyze input comments from Elk County residents as to how wind
energy dollars should be invested.

This process was launched with a community meeting where community members presented
ideas for the expenditure of the income from the newly formed wind farm. At the community
conversation meeting, residents present at the meeting were asked to give their input in the
categories of "Ideas", "Big Ideas", and IITop Ideas". All residents present were divided into
small "round table" discussion groups in order to discuss and bring forward the ideas.

After the community conversation, a representative from each "round table" group was
assigned to be on a special committee. From there, the committee was assembled to take the
ideas and organize them. The committee meeting resulted in the following analysis of data.

The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories.
Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:

1. Financial

2. Infrastructure/Utilities

3. Economic Development

4. Services

5. Education

6. Miscellaneous

After assigning every single comment from the community meeting into a certain category, the
data in each category was grouped into sub-topics (see appendix to review grouping). It should
be noted that several comments were "cross-over" comments, meaning that the committee
felt like the comment actually fell into more than one category, and therefore they analyzed it
in both categories when forming sub-topics.

Some of the sub-topics that garnered the most comments were as follows:

Financial category: 50% of the comments related to lowering taxes and 25% of the comments
related to paying off debt.

Infrastructure/Utilities: Slightly less than 50% of the comments related to road improvements
ranging from city streets to county roads and 20% of the comments related to community
improvements ranging from restoration/clean-up, to improving parks, to building community
centers.

Economic Development: Over 50% of comments related to the generic (as in no specific
details) topic of job creation and 20% related to assisted living &/or day care.

Services: Many different ideas fell into this category with a large majority of the comments
being "cross-over" ideas that also fell into Financial, Infrastructure/Utilities, or Economic
Development.

Education: The generic (as in no specific details) topic of schools/libraries garnered 50% of the
comments in this category

Committee's Conclusion of the data:

Focus should be on the first three categories of Financial, Infastructure/Utilities, and Economic
Development

In the Financial category: Lowering taxes will help with the creation of jobs and the act of
lowering taxes will benefit all residents that pay taxes. It will also create a more business
friendly environment. Paying off debt will also decrease the tax burden. It was also agreed that
banking a certain percentage of the income is needed.

In the Infrastructure/Utilities category: County roads are a must for improvements, as well as
city streets. Water and trash services are a key to fostering business growth. The committee
also felt that this is the best category to set long, medium and short term goals and that
prioritizing will be necessary in this category.

Economic Development: The committee realizes it is not the responsibility of local government
to create jobs, but rather, create a business friendly environment. Assisting and promoting
growth in existing businesses should be a key consideration. Because the comments relating to
assisted living and/or daycare came up so often (which these were also cross-over topics
mentioned in other categories), the committee feels that it is relevant to point out that this
could be a way to help with job creation. The committee felt that it was a valid consideration
that deserves its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this idea.

Services: Youth activities, assisted living, and daycare led the way with the greatest number of
comments. The committee expressed concern of government versus private industry in
creating these services. There was some discussion about how the government needs to help
grow these services, but without having the control and responsibility. Though not garnering a
lot of comments, the committee felt it was relevant to reiterate the importance of the
emergency services of ambulance and fire that serve all citizens of our county.

Education: The committee felt that ultimately, this is the school board's responsibility, but if
taxes are lowered, it may draw in more people that could afford to live within the county,
thereby having an impact on the school. The committee felt that the comments relating to
scholarships to help attract Elk County raised students back to Elk County did deserve some
consideration, and again, would need its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this
idea.

Miscellaneous: The committee decided that there were comments that did not fit into the
above mentioned categories and therefore these comments were listed as miscellaneous.

Side note: Without overlapping with federally subsidized programs, the committee was
surprised that more comments about the support of the agriculture industry in Elk County were
not mentioned. The committee felt like this topic does warrant more attention since this is the
primary industry in Elk County.

Appendix is attached with data breakdown of how the committee sorted all comments that
were generated from the community conversation.

Financial

Lower Taxes - 20 (Idea's)
Lower Taxes - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Payoff Debt - 8 (Idea's)

Pay off Debt- 7 (Top 3 idea's)

Save the 1 st million for the future as a cushion - l(Idea's)
Bank 1st million - 2 (Big Idea's)

1 st million in bank - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Matching Funds -1 (Idea's)

A fund for matching grant funds - 1 (Big Idea's)

Spend money all over the county not in just to towns - 1 (Idea's)
Spend it as an investment not as expenditure (Big Idea's)

Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's)

County employee compensation - 2 (Idea's)

Infrastructure/UtiIitles
Improve Roads - 17 (Idea's)

Help cities improve streets - 2 (Idea's)
Funds for roads and bridges - 1 (Big Idea's)
Road Improvements - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Infrastructure improvement - 3 (Idea's)
Water supply (Idea's)

Water - 2 (Top 3 idea's)

Rural water all over county - 2 (Big Idea's)

Clean up properties and restore buildings - 2 (Idea's)
Community Building -1 (Idea's)

Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's)

Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's)
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's)

Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's)

Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's)

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)

Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's)

Broadband initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Build new jail- l(ldea's)

Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)

Maintain and promote rail service - l(Idea's)
New ambulance - l(Idea's)

Sewer systems in small towns - 1 (Idea's)

Economic Development

Jobs -11 (Idea's)

Create Jobs - 10 (Top 3 idea's)

Create Jobs/ Bring in business - 6 (Big Idea's)
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's)

Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's)

Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's)
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's)
Tourism - 2 (Idea's)

Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)

Golf Course - 1 (Idea's)

New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's)
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's)

Preserving Moline school- 1 (Idea's)

Land Purchase for possible population expansion (Idea's)
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's)

Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's)
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's)

Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's)

Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)

Improved/more housing (Big Idea's)

Certify/Train a group of local residents to work on wind mills - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

Services

Youth Facility - 9 (Idea's)

More $ invested for youth in each town - 1 (Big Idea's)
Invest in Youth Activities - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's)
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's)

Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's)
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's)

Community Building -1 (Idea's)

Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)

Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's)

Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's)

Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's)
Countywide clean-up - 3 (Big Idea's)

Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's)

Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's)

Broad brand initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's)

Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's)
Transportation for elderly and children - l(Idea's)

Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's)

Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's)

Rec center w/\ indoor pool- 1 (Big Idea's)
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's)
Professional golf course tournament - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

New ambulance - 1 (Idea's)

Food Services to elderly - l(Idea's)
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's)
More Tourist Attractions (Idea's)
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's)

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)


Education

Schools - 5 (Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's)

Scholarships - 2 (Idea's)

Sponsor scholarships for trade within county - 1 (Big Idea's)
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's)
Enrich the education - 1 (Big Idea's)

More $ invested for youth in each town -1 (Big Idea's)

Be able to keep and reopen schools in small towns as population grows _ 1 (Big Idea's)

Miscellaneous

Drug Test before can get food stamps or welfare - 1 (Idea's)
Spend within our budget - l(Idea's)

Get engineer - 1 (Idea's)

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)

Invest in Stock Shares - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 26, 2011, 08:38:13 AM
WOW  Looks like the money is spent for the next 200 years.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 26, 2011, 09:00:31 AM
You're right we got some high rollers thinking here.
After all Howard has an Elk Konnected health and exercise buisness and I here they are doing a bang up business with maybe 8 patrons. Perhaps if they build a multi-million dollar facility at the fair grounds they can get more people to come and pay a hundred bucks a month dues plus daily fees to use it. Indoor swimming pool and every thing.
You know, the only ideas that make fiscal sense in this is 1. pay off debt, 2. lower taxes drastically and make the government live off of a tightly controlled budget i.e. only necessary services that Government is supposed to provide, 3. let free market provide all other services that are not responsibility of government and invest in a infrastructure that along with reduced taxes would draw business into the county just for the low taxes.  

IF you could get jobs and low almost nonexistant taxs, you would see a growth in the county and everyones bottom line would go up.  
But it looks like the money much like pure brown heroin coming off the burrows back has gotten the folks dazed at the prospects of getting new toys to play with.
For Gods sake, a GOLF COURSE??  ROTFLMBO  i can see it now yelling FORE whilest the cows are scattered across the fairways.

BTW if the Golf course would be such a good investment don't anyone think that Denis Griffiths (of Jack Nicolas Properties) would be out here buying up the 1000 acres to develop the course?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on April 26, 2011, 09:35:51 AM

Well said there, Srkruzich.  And you've proven that one doesn't need a committee or an organization to think.

Best to you boys.  Stay right in there.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: W. Gray on April 26, 2011, 10:22:54 AM
Back in 2007 under the Good Old Days section of this forum was a discussion of the Howard Golf Course.


http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,1963.0.html
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on April 26, 2011, 10:45:08 AM

1925.  Of course, the county had a considerably different population & demographic profile then.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 26, 2011, 11:15:26 AM
Not only that but it appears that it was a private corporation or entity that started it and maintained it through private membership fees and dues.  couldn't have been government funded as it was a restricted membership course.   
IF folks want a golf course then by all means start up a company to own it, and fund it through memberships and sales and the good ole fashioned way by earning it.  Not taking taxpayer monies. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 26, 2011, 01:54:34 PM
Who says any of this money will go for a golf course?  Why don't you stick to real issues?  Like taxes and road improvement.  Our commissioners aren't going to put in a golf course until they fix the road so they won't get stuck getting to it.  A golf course?  Really!!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Sarge on April 26, 2011, 02:09:40 PM
I think the county should take some of the money and buy gold coins. I don't think dollars are going to be worth much if everything keeps going the way it is now.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 27, 2011, 09:17:09 PM
They failed to print this whole thing in the newspaper.
Especially this part
"Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)"
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 27, 2011, 09:54:19 PM
Who says any of this money will go for a golf course?  Why don't you stick to real issues?  Like taxes and road improvement.  Our commissioners aren't going to put in a golf course until they fix the road so they won't get stuck getting to it.  A golf course?  Really!!!!
Obviously you didn't read the handout. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 28, 2011, 07:38:20 AM
I read what was offered here on the Forum.  A golf course was way down on the list and was listed only because it was one of the things that was suggested.  I wonder why you picked up on the golf course when there are so many other suggestion ahead of it.  Being picky, are you?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 28, 2011, 07:52:31 AM
I think the county should take some of the money and buy gold coins. I don't think dollars are going to be worth much if everything keeps going the way it is now.
Thay won't happen because it makes sense.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 28, 2011, 09:05:58 AM
I read what was offered here on the Forum.  A golf course was way down on the list and was listed only because it was one of the things that was suggested.  I wonder why you picked up on the golf course when there are so many other suggestion ahead of it.  Being picky, are you?
Not really i already said what made the most sense.  pay off debt, put money in bank, fix infrastructure under a well thought out budget to get the best price for everything.  I heard that the county won't accept the lowest bid from a company outside of the county unless its 10% difference. this is insane.   Heard also that they pay 2 bucks a gallon more for fuel from murphy oil instead of buying from another seller that is out of county.   Thats insane.    Theres where your money is being pissed away.  Favors ontop of favors, peoples hands in other peoples pockets.  
So i guess the next time your road doesn't get graded cause they say they don't have the fuel for it you can say not your problem, buy the fuel elsewhere cheaper so you can fix the road.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on April 28, 2011, 09:11:36 AM
Be careful! I understand some services are adding delivery charges to their bill if they have to go some distance, so a savings might not be as it seems. Be sure and check.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on April 28, 2011, 12:52:22 PM
While you are getting so concerned about this, maybe you should sit back and listen to the big picture. Those are all IDEAS!! That is the key word there. IDEAS!! Man, why worry about all of this until the whole windfarm thing is a done deal. You all are making this out to be some sort of terrible thing to have ideas, to have meetings, to basically be a person that has anything good to say about Elk Konnected. I am thinking that I am not sure that you guys even live in Elk county??? Do you???
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on April 28, 2011, 02:52:34 PM
No, you're right, I don't. I'll button up. :-[ :-X :P
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on April 28, 2011, 03:28:01 PM
Oh, Diane, wasn't talking about you. These things that Elk Konnected and county commissioners have are ideas, and to me no need to get worried about ideas.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 28, 2011, 05:10:44 PM
I have hear that Steve doesn't live in Elk County, either.  What about the rest of you?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: sixdogsmom on April 28, 2011, 07:12:59 PM
I live and pay taxes in Moline, a city in Elk County. We were just the victim of the EK politics, and lost our school last year.  :P
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on April 28, 2011, 09:46:21 PM
I have hear that Steve doesn't live in Elk County, either.  What about the rest of you?

Oh for cripes sake, Wilma... there are a number of people who post here who reside outside Elk Co.  Like it or not. Get over it already.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 28, 2011, 10:03:52 PM
While you are getting so concerned about this, maybe you should sit back and listen to the big picture. Those are all IDEAS!! That is the key word there. IDEAS!! Man, why worry about all of this until the whole windfarm thing is a done deal. You all are making this out to be some sort of terrible thing to have ideas, to have meetings, to basically be a person that has anything good to say about Elk Konnected. I am thinking that I am not sure that you guys even live in Elk county??? Do you???

Truthfully my dear I don't give a damn about the money that may or may not come about. It's the deception, manipulation and control that Elk Konnected uses. And Idea's are great but when they go to the extent of:

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)

For more control That bothers me.

And when they blantantly lie about not using taxpayers money. That bothers me.
When the county commissioner starts the organization and turns it into a political action committee and is trying to manipulate the county commissioners by having people representing Elk Konnected come before the board. That bothers me.

Sure they do a couple of good things. It's comparable to giving a child a lollipop while playing a dirty trick on them. I believe in honesty.

That's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it especially since I pay taxes here in Elk County.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on April 29, 2011, 07:37:19 AM
Truthfully my dear I don't give a damn about the money that may or may not come about. It's the deception, manipulation and control that Elk Konnected uses. And Idea's are great but when they go to the extent of:

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)

For more control That bothers me.

And when they blantantly lie about not using taxpayers money. That bothers me.
When the county commissionr starts the organization and turns it into a political action committee and is trying to manipulate the county commissioners by having people representing Elk Konnected come before the board. That bothers me.

Sure they do a couple of good things. It's comparable to giving a child a lollipop while playing a dirty trick on them. I believe in honesty.

That's just my opinion and I'm entitled to it especially since I pay taxes here in Elk County.

I don't like the fact that they just want one government either. I don't see that working. It just doesn't make any sense. But what I do see, not just in Elk County, people are changing. I don't like the economy, and we all know it's terrible. But with that change people change, too. They go into panic mode I think. I just can't get there. I feel going into a panic about money is just not worth it. Yes, we all need money to live, but at what expense is it worth the worry. I used to worry about money and the economy, but you know it got me no where but sick.

Also, I understand it doesn't matter where people are from or if they pay taxes here or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I get that. What I don't get is when someone else has a different opinion than the others, its like they are outcasted. Like Charlie, some of you don't like his views on things. And that is your opinion. He is entitled to his opinion just like you are. Why break the post down and all but call him white trash cause his opinion don't match yours. I like debate, but feel that one can't debate anything on here if they don't agree with the post. THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 29, 2011, 08:24:42 AM
Well said, Angie.  Why are some people so set on arguing that what they post is absolutely right and what someone else posts that differs a bit, is wrong?  Why do some people want us all to get into a panic and overthrow the current government?  What is their ulterior motive?  So some posters disagree with and dislike one of our commissioners?  The time to campaign is when the position comes up to be refilled.   What do you want us to do about it now?  Is this another nit-picking session?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 08:30:30 AM
I don't like the fact that they just want one government either. I don't see that working. It just doesn't make any sense. But what I do see, not just in Elk County, people are changing. I don't like the economy, and we all know it's terrible. But with that change people change, too. They go into panic mode I think. I just can't get there. I feel going into a panic about money is just not worth it. Yes, we all need money to live, but at what expense is it worth the worry. I used to worry about money and the economy, but you know it got me no where but sick.

Also, I understand it doesn't matter where people are from or if they pay taxes here or not. Everyone is entitled to there opinion, I get that. What I don't get is when someone else has a different opinion than the others, its like they are outcasted. Like Charlie, some of you don't like his views on things. And that is your opinion. He is entitled to his opinion just like you are. Why break the post down and all but call him white trash cause his opinion don't match yours. I like debate, but feel that one can't debate anything on here if they don't agree with the post. THAT IS JUST WRONG!!!

i agree everyone is entitled to their opinion. And my reason for posting this list was because I knew the newspaper wouldn't. The newspaper is Elk Konnected affiliated and therefore biased. And I also posted it to get a real conversation going. And i can agree to disagree and hopefully not offend anyone.

In my opinion the fact that Elk Konnected suggest on government for all the communities shows that they want to control Elk County.
Why, even when I spoke with the County Commissioners Board on Monday I could barely draw a difference between Elk Konnected and the Board. I do believe only one Commissioner is not involved with Elk Konnected. and that is Mr. Ritz.

While expressing my opinion to the board about Elk Konnected it was like a switch from County Commissioners to Elk Konnected.
Elk Konnected presents it self as if they represent all the people of Elk County and I believe it is more like 5 or 6% as someone else has pointed out. If the commissioners were really interested in the county peoples opinions as a whole they would take the proper leadership role and hole a special meeting open to the public without the 3 ring circus that Elk Konnected holds.

It's not just about a commissioner, it's about Elk Konnected. And the time to wake up is now.  Not on election day. Look at the people running for the next president, they have already started positioning themselves. We need a couple of people to run for these offices that won't abuse the positions. We need to be looking now. I'd almost bet Elk Konnected has already got someone in mind.

Again it just my opinion.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 29, 2011, 11:27:58 AM
Ross, I don't know who you are or what your connection to Elk County is, but.  The idea of one government has been around for awhile.  I have heard it mentioned before.  It is not a new idea thought up by Elk Konnected.  Sedgwick County even talks about it once in awhile.  Also, when you say Elk Konnected, who specifically are you talking about?  Are they citizens of Elk County?  Couldn't it be that some Elk County citizens are finally beginning to take hold of an idea about improving Elk County?  I haven't seen it happening before in the 60 some years that I have been in this area.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 12:27:39 PM
Ross, I don't know who you are or what your connection to Elk County is, but.  The idea of one government has been around for awhile.  I have heard it mentioned before.  It is not a new idea thought up by Elk Konnected.  Sedgwick County even talks about it once in awhile.  Also, when you say Elk Konnected, who specifically are you talking about?  Are they citizens of Elk County?  Couldn't it be that some Elk County citizens are finally beginning to take hold of an idea about improving Elk County?  I haven't seen it happening before in the 60 some years that I have been in this area.

I've got a small retirement farm in Elk County as I've said I pay my taxes. I believe about the idea being around for a long time. But today they have an organization that is trying to push it. And as I've said there is a blurr between our Elk County elected officials and Elk konnected. Elk Konnected won't say exactly who they are therefore I percieve DECEPTION. I do know Liz Hendricks our County Commissioner prides herself as a founding member. Elk Konnected is suppose to be county citizens but their public conversations are controlled and ran by Public Square Communities LLC out of Leota, Ks --- and in my opinion a three ring circus and they hold the whip.
we don't want you sitting with your spouse (nobody comes between me and my wife--nobody), we don't want you sitting with your friend. Also the fact that our newspaper considers itself an affiliate so you will never get the full story from them.

Elk Konnected's idea of improving anything is to hound the community city councils for money. I have been told the communities have been telling them no. And I don't see why Elk Konnected has any right to knock a communities city councils decision to opt out of anything that Howard wants. Why does Elk Konnected want to do away with the Longton Free Fair???? My guess is so Longton will donate to and participate more in Howards Fair. I love the little parades and events all these little communities have and the sweet thing is even if you don't live in these little communities you are treated like a long lost friend.

If it's such a good idea to get rid of these little communities city councils to save money. Do you suppose that senator or whoever, do you suppose he is right about consolidating the counties? We could be part of Montgomery County, Chataqua County and a couple others and have one centralized government in Independence, Ks.

I have tilled gardens for people (no charge), I have given farm fresh eggs to people (no charge), I have done other things (no charge).
Do i run to the newspaper looking for a pat on the back. Heck no, that's not why I give a helping hand. And I'm not looking for a pat on the back now. I just try to be helpful when I can and I don't collect taxpayers dollars for doing it. So maybe I'm a fool. But I enjoy life.

I have to get back to work here on my little retirement farm. I'll check back later.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 29, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
Who are you talking about specifically when you say Elk Konnected?  Are you talking about Liz Hendricks or someone that is not a citizen of Elk County?  What I want is names, not the name of an organization.  Maybe then I could put more credence to what you are saying.

As to combining city and county governments,  I can't see how that would benefit anyone.  And I am wondering if that can be done without letting the citizens vote on it.

What I am beginning to see here is "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on April 29, 2011, 03:40:19 PM
I have been reading all the posts concerning Elk Konnected and the Community Conversation, and I just have to remind Mr. Ross that the results of the conversation were from the citizens there...most of whom have nothing to do with Elk Konnected.  Elk Konnected was there to help the citizens of Elk County say what they thought; and they did.  It was an organized, well run meeting.  I'm sure you do not know for sure how it went because the county sheriff's personnel removed you from the meeting for being disruptive very early on.

Again, what the final committee came up with had "lower taxes" and "dept reduction" as the first and largest responses on the list.  Those were the opinions of the majority citizens attending the meeting.......not Elk Konnected (although some of us agree with those thoughts).  Everyone had a say as to what they thought the county should do with the money.  If someone wanted a golf course, that was their right to say so.  I'm sure there weren't very many "golf course" replies on the list.  Everyone has ideas, and Elk Konnected in no way had any imput to what ideas were put on the list.  Please remember those were ideas.  The county commisioners will make all the decisions concerning the money.  They may or may not take the ideas into consideration. 

Elk Konnected has done nothing but good in this community.  If you would like to find out a little more about us, come join us for the soccer matches, Pitch, Hit, and Run competitions, and volunteer for the Community Service Day at West Elk Schools or Elk Valley schools. ...or join the Wellness Center.

Elk Konnected exists for the good of the citizens.  You can growl and grumble all you want and have any opinion you want, but the truth is that Elk Konnected is a group of concerned citizens with no hidden agenda with again..the purpose of bettering the community of Elk County.  We are not focused on one city.......it is for all the cities in the county. 




 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
It was an organized, well run meeting.  I'm sure you do not know for sure how it went because the county sheriff's personnel removed you from the meeting for being disruptive very early on.

 The county commisioners will make all the decisions concerning the money.  They may or may not take the ideas into consideration. 

Elk Konnected has done nothing but good in this community.  If you would like to find out a little more about us, come join us for the soccer matches, Pitch, Hit, and Run competitions, and volunteer for the Community Service Day at West Elk Schools or Elk Valley schools. ...or join the Wellness Center.

Elk Konnected exists for the good of the citizens.  You can growl and grumble all you want and have any opinion you want, but the truth is that Elk Konnected is a group of concerned citizens with no hidden agenda with again..the purpose of bettering the community of Elk County.  We are not focused on one city.......it is for all the cities in the county. 

So you are Elk Konnected that is good to know.

Let's get Elk Konnected striaght on my leaving the meeting and why shall we. I asked the gentleman from Leota, Ks. who was running the meeting as you call it to speak with him. He is from western Kansas not of Elk County. The thing was billed as a community conversation not as a thring ring circus with 25 rings. He siad he would talk with me outside and I said I would prefer to talk in front of the community after all it was billed in the newspaper as a community conversation. I was very polite and so was he. He politely put the microphone to his mouth and said where is the sheriff. At that point seeing that he was afriad to have a conversation I decided to excuse myself and started walking to the door. I did meet the deputies as I walked and they followed me out. The county sheriff's did not, I repeat they did not remove me. I did commend them on their behavior during the incident and I told their boss the Sheriff what excellent officers he had working for him. Now that's the truth. There was sonmeone else that I understand followed me out and was terribly upset with the man from Wichita county try to force him to join the circus of circle of chairs. And I saw the man try to coerce others to do the same thing. That not a conversation. 

Now that we know you are Elk Konnected perhaps you can tell us who else is a registered member of Elk konnected, please? Who is their President, Chairperson, secretary, treasurer and their board of directors, please? I have people asking me and I don't have the answers. So please do tell us.

I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and  it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder “What is the future of Elk County”? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things  blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php .  If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.

I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about  PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?

I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide?

Pcs has recieved nearly $60,000 in payments from at least his 15 customers. Do you think it's right to take student grants from kids in college who need it to pay tuitions? Oh Elk Konnected claims to have recieved $3000.00 at $50 a piece from 60 people and business. Who were all these donors. It's just not human nature for that many people to donate and not get credit/ recognition. I find it strange that it is the same amount as the school fund.

If we had a good investigative reporter on our newspaper they would disclose this information. But the editor informed me that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected. So there you go, it would never happen.

We have elected officials that can speak with the public if they were to step up to their leadership rolls and take the responsible of doing their own research and ask the people to talk to them. Elk Konnected has represented perhaps 5 or 6 percent of the community.
I have nothing against Elk Konnected untill they start trying to control the government.

Here is your chance to clear up some questions??????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on April 29, 2011, 08:35:43 PM

What's the Sheriff doing at their meeting? 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on April 29, 2011, 08:43:47 PM
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Now that we know you are Elk Konnected perhaps you can tell us who else is a registered member of Elk konnected, please? Who is their President, Chairperson, secretary, treasurer and their board of directors, please? I have people asking me and I don't have the answers. So please do tell us.


If you do a search for Elk Konnected here on the forum, you'll find several threads that mention the officers, along with reports from meetings and accounts of meetings.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 09:24:26 PM
Mayflower I am anxiously awaiting some answers. Please.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 09:41:00 PM

If you do a search for Elk Konnected here on the forum, you'll find several threads that mention the officers, along with reports from meetings and accounts of meetings.

I really tried, I typed Elk Konnected in the search box and didn't find much. Would you mind doing your search again and paste the link here so I can go where ssver you were. Thanks.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 29, 2011, 10:08:15 PM
What's the Sheriff doing at their meeting? 
Obvious!  to throw out anyone who doesn't follow the groupthink.  Remember orwell 1984!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 29, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
I did a google and found more information on google.The search actually took me back to a page on this forum. There I found a link that took me to Kansas Business Center at Kansas .gov Elk Konnected is a Limited Liability Company. A Private Company.

Check it out for your self
https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5

Business Entity Search
 Date: 04/29/2011
Business Information
Current Entity Name
Business Entity ID Number
ELK KONNECTED LLC
6368807
Current Mailing Address: 1425 Mule, HOWARD, KS 67349  
Business Entity Type: KANSAS LTD LIABILITY COMPANY
Date of Formation in Kansas: 09/30/2009
State of Organization: KS
Current Status: CORPORATION IS DELINQUENT
Resident Agent and Registered Office
Resident Agent: RICHARD L FISH
Registered Office: 1425 Mule, HOWARD, KS 67349
Annual Reports
The following annual report information is valid for active and delinquent status entities only.
Tax Closing Month: 12
The Last Annual Report on File: 00/0000
Next Annual Report Due: 04/15/2011  
Forfeiture Date: 07/15/2011

Now how many members of the private company are out there. Not I have a better idea why they don't want to talk. I just don't understand why. What do they have to hide?

People that think they are members are really only being used. How does that feel? Personally I don't like it. And I don't like their lies. Sure they give you a lollipop to keeep you happy and even put you on a committe but do they let you be a part of their Limited Libiablity Company. No you are not good enough.

I'm sorry to break the news of any believers.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on April 29, 2011, 11:02:17 PM
Wow.  A group of people actually did something instead of just talk.   A llc  was created to open the fitness center.  How do you get a group of people to sign a lease? get insurance? You are brilliant.  A group of people,from every part of the area, created an entity to do something positive.  They raised money, applied for grants and got one to help jump start the jumping jacks.  They purchased equipment, hired an employee, and are now burning fat.  What is the problem?  

A group of people attended a meeting to discuss the wind funds.  You don't get to talk to the entire group so you leave.  You missed out on the discussion.  The small groups work better getting your point across.  You do not have to wait for the other 199 people to speak.  You can hear your group and voice your opinions to an actual human one on one.  There is no grandstanding, preaching, or fighting.  My views differs from almost everyone but in a small group it is heard.  Every group forms a list of issues.  The issues are voiced to the assembly as a whole and logged on a sheet.   The sheets are summarized at the end of the evening.  The ideas, views, and comments are presented to the commissioners at a regular public meeting.  

The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors.  They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms.  No one is running the show the show is running itself.  If you want to be involved all you have to do is show up.  Act civil to others and they will reciprocate.    There is no state or national entity that sets out rules or issues.   The issues are generated from those who attend.  Elk konnected did not create the issues only a means to communicate.  They have taken on problems that have been ignored or did not materialize until people got together and brought it up.  

A private company.  Yes.  With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.  

Stay with us as we grow!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 07:02:27 AM
Wow.  A group of people actually did something instead of just talk.   A llc  was created to open the fitness center.  How do you get a group of people to sign a lease? get insurance? You are brilliant.  A group of people,from every part of the area, created an entity to do something positive.  They raised money, applied for grants and got one to help jump start the jumping jacks.  They purchased equipment, hired an employee, and are now burning fat.  What is the problem?  

A group of people attended a meeting to discuss the wind funds.  You don't get to talk to the entire group so you leave.  You missed out on the discussion.  The small groups work better getting your point across.  You do not have to wait for the other 199 people to speak.  You can hear your group and voice your opinions to an actual human one on one.  There is no grandstanding, preaching, or fighting.  My views differs from almost everyone but in a small group it is heard.  Every group forms a list of issues.  The issues are voiced to the assembly as a whole and logged on a sheet.   The sheets are summarized at the end of the evening.  The ideas, views, and comments are presented to the commissioners at a regular public meeting.  

The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors.  They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms.  No one is running the show the show is running itself.  If you want to be involved all you have to do is show up.  Act civil to others and they will reciprocate.    There is no state or national entity that sets out rules or issues.   The issues are generated from those who attend.  Elk konnected did not create the issues only a means to communicate.  They have taken on problems that have been ignored or did not materialize until people got together and brought it up.  

A private company.  Yes.  With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.  

Stay with us as we grow!

I believe I am speaking to Mr. Perkins of Howard, Am I right? pep@sktc.net.
To open a business is one thing it's another to try to control the county through deception.
The licenses is fo Elk Konnected LLC, not the fitness center. The fitnes center is a by-product of  EK LLC
The fitness center is nothing but it is a Howard business though. How many Members do you have there?
What do they charge for membership?
Don't be bashfull, Why are you hiding?
Who owns the company? Who is the CEO, The CFO? How much do they get paid?
Why does Elk Konnected continue to lie about using taxpayers money?
Please open the doors to the truth.
Or do you need Mr Woodbury and his people to tell you what to do?
Mr. Woodbury isn't here to stop this conversation so let's talk. Lets have a real conversation. Please.
Talk with us.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 08:07:03 AM
Who are you talking about specifically when you say Elk Konnected?  Are you talking about Liz Hendricks or someone that is not a citizen of Elk County?  What I want is names, not the name of an organization.  Maybe then I could put more credence to what you are saying.

As to combining city and county governments,  I can't see how that would benefit anyone.  And I am wondering if that can be done without letting the citizens vote on it.

What I am beginning to see here is "The sky is falling, the sky is falling."

Hi Wilma,
I think I like you and I haven't even met you. 
You know a great more about this beautiful county that I do.

I truly wish, I knew who I'm talking about. But the people that licensed Elk Konnected LLC are staying in hiding. What Elk Konnected truely is, is staying in hiding. Ask them and they will tell you nothing?  What I have learned so far is Elk Konnected LLC is a secreative organization that is using tax dollars and they claim to have collected money from 60 people and companies that they claim as supporters (but won't say who).

The licenses is not for the fitnes center it is for Elk Konnected LLC which then opened the fitness center. Opening the fitness center is great for Howard it gives that community another business entity. I suppose since it is owned by a non-profit company it is not required to pay city taxes, which again is okay.

People can and I do believe work together, I've seen it in various areas through out my life tiem. But there will always be conflicts that need to be discussed. I have a friend that has recently got on one of Elk Konnected LLC panels and I wll not let that interfere with our friendship and neither will he. We have simply agreed to disagree on this subject. I won't put him down and he won't put me down. Friendships are to precious.

Elk Konnected LLC keeps refering to a group of people and I ask what people and I ask who. But there is no conversation on their part.
It appears to me that Elk Konnected LLC came about during the time of exploratory finds on the wind farm and licensed before the contracts were written. Perhaps that is coincedence, perhaps not.

Elk Konnected LLC say's be civil and others will be civil. Well I think I tried to be civil.  I have asked who runs Elk Konnected LLC and they won't give a civil answer. They won't gave an answer period.

No the sky is not falling? Just asking questions? For instance a group of people that aproach a government entity in order to influence that government's legislation and decision making decisions is considered a Political Action Committe by definition. Is that what Elk Konnected LLC is that what Elk Konnected LLC is? They appear to be just that?

Everything about Elk Konnected appears to be Howard connected. Sure they go out to the little bitty communities and ask for money so they can give something to that little bitty community and take credit for it and Elk Konnected LLC can make newspaper headlines.

The summer day camps that are coming up where do you suppose the money will be coming from that? I read on the State web pages tha Howard recieved a large grant from the state to do that, tax payers dollars. If I can find it again, I'll post the link. But I believe we will be hearing it called Elk Konnected LLC day camp open for everyone.

No the sky isn't falling, but perhaps the deception will. Perhaps Elk Konnected LLC will answer some questions about who they are instead of saying who they are using (the general public) to make them look good.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on April 30, 2011, 08:20:51 AM
Ross -

As requested, this is where I searched:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced

If you type in Elk Konnected, you'll find about 3 pages of forum messages.




Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 30, 2011, 08:38:13 AM
I did notice that the Elk Konnected corp is in delinquency.  That if i am not mistaken is supposed to stop them from operating as a LLC until their current doesn't it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 08:50:07 AM
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers?  I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member.  You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.

As far as help from outside is concerned,  how were our 4-H clubs formed originally?  Did some Elk County citizen come up with the idea or was there help from outside?  Same goes for Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, even churches are originally helped by something outside of Elk County.  It has become quite apparent that Elk County needs outside help in getting anything going as anything that speaks of progress is continually shot down by naysayers.

There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now.  Whatever happened to it?  I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.

I have actually lived in Elk County for only 7 years, but my connections go back to 1947 when my parents bought a farm in Union Center where my mother lived until 1985.  My husband and I owned pasture in the same area for 12 years, until he died.  We bought and I still own property inside city limits of Howard.  I worked in Elk County for 5 years in the 1970's.  I have seen a lot of the history of progress of Elk County.  None of it was accomplished by shooting down the attempts to have what other communities have.  Au contraire, a lot of progress has disappeared.  Now we have someone that (make that several someones) are trying to bring us into the 21st century and give our children a chance at some of the things that bigger communities take for granted.  So what if we have to go to someone outside the county?  If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.

I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it.  I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County.  If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on April 30, 2011, 08:57:10 AM
...The big secret about elk konnected is the fact that there is no board of directors.  They don't have a president, vp, sec, or Sargent of arms.  No one is running the show the show is running itself.

A private company.  Yes.  With all the walls made of lexan and doors that never close.


I would be willing to take you up on your lexan wall & open door pronouncements.  Lexan is a wonderful product, and I'm sure the information requested below, in total, would go a long way toward clearing up any misconceptions that skeptics might have about who Elk Konnected LLC is, how it functions, what its' objectives, methods and outcomes are or have been.  Thanks, in advance, for your help.  Will you or anyone, make available, here on this side of the lexan walls,  the following information for public view?

1.  File stamped copies of the Elk Konnected Articles of Organization and any amendments thereto that are on file with the KS Secretary of State and any pre-organization memorandums, notes or agreements.
2.  Any Operating Agreements, and amendments, created by Elk Konnected, LLC pursuant to KSA 17-7663 et seq.
3.  All records filed with any taxing authority relating to any tax exempt status of Elk Konnected, LLC and any correspondence between Elk Konnect, LLC and those taxing authorities.
4.  Copies of all Annual Reports filed with the Kansas Secretary of State by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
5.  The name(s) of any Manager, past or present, of Elk Konnected, LLC as defined by KSA 17-7663 et seq.
6.  The names of all persons admitted as members (past & present) pursuant to KSA 17-7686, the Articles of Organization or any operating agreements of Elk Konnected, LLC  also indicating their share of partnership interest in the LLC.  If any admitted member is a corporation, LLC, LP or trust, also indicate the names of that member's directors, officers, partners, or trustees and beneficiaries.
7.  Copies of any contracts, agreements or other documents relating to the ongoing operations or associations that Elk Konnected has with any parties whether admitted members of Elk Konnected or outside parties.
8.  Information reflecting any payments (in cash or services) made to admitted members or outside parties for any services rendered to Elk Konnected, LLC. since its' inception.
9.  Information & records relating to any grants received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such grants and the disposition of all grant monies received.
10.  Information & records relating to any loans received from government, quasi-government and/or private sources, showing the source, nature and purpose of such loans and the disposition of all loan monies received.
11.  Any records reflecting all assets (tangible or intangible) owned by by Elk Konnected, LLC, and the net present value of those assets.
12.  Records identifying details regarding any property, real or personal, currently leased or rented by or on loan to Elk Konnected, LLC., including the property owner's name and address.
13.  The name and address of any attorney of record for Elk Konnected, LLC.
14.  The name and address of any Certified Public Accountant or other accountant or bookkeeper currently or previously serving  Elk Konnected, LLC.
15.  The number and total dollar value of all contributions or donations received by Elk Konnected, LLC since its' inception.
16. A listing of all past and present projects and undertakings of Elk Konnected, LLC that provide a community service or are designed to enhance/develop/improve the Elk County community.  Any objective measure of the results of those undertakings would also be helpful.






Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: frawin on April 30, 2011, 08:58:17 AM
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers?  I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member.  You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.

As far as help from outside is concerned,  how were our 4-H clubs formed originally?  Did some Elk County citizen come up with the idea or was there help from outside?  Same goes for Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, even churches are originally helped by something outside of Elk County.  It has become quite apparent that Elk County needs outside help in getting anything going as anything that speaks of progress is continually shot down by naysayers.

There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now.  Whatever happened to it?  I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.

I have actually lived in Elk County for only 7 years, but my connections go back to 1947 when my parents bought a farm in Union Center where my mother lived until 1985.  My husband and I owned pasture in the same area for 12 years, until he died.  We bought and I still own property inside city limits of Howard.  I worked in Elk County for 5 years in the 1970's.  I have seen a lot of the history of progress of Elk County.  None of it was accomplished by shooting down the attempts to have what other communities have.  Au contraire, a lot of progress has disappeared.  Now we have someone that (make that several someones) are trying to bring us into the 21st century and give our children a chance at some of the things that bigger communities take for granted.  So what if we have to go to someone outside the county?  If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.

I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it.  I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County.  If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.
GREAT POST, WELL SAID WILMA, and I agree fully. I agree completely that Liz is all for helping any group she can in Elk County. I do not think Liz deserves all of the trash being thrown her way. Liz, ignore it and keep on keeping on.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on April 30, 2011, 10:07:27 AM

Gov't grant money...........  Why didn't they use their own money to invest in their own LLC?

It was mentioned that they don't have a Sargent of arms, but the Sheriff was in attendance.

It appears that they don't want opposing views at their gatherings.





 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 10:12:17 AM
I didn't see birth certificate listed as one of the documents that should be made public.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on April 30, 2011, 10:13:53 AM
Gov't grant money...........  Why didn't they use their own money to invest in their own LLC?

It was mentioned that they don't have a Sargent of arms, but the Sheriff was in attendance.

It appears that they don't want opposing views at their gatherings.



That would only happen in a public meeting. This is a private meeting as in PRIVATE corp. They have the right to deny access to anyone as they are not a government entity.  Kinda interesting that a government entity would use a private corp to limit public discussion.


 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 10:25:10 AM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money.  Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue?  Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on April 30, 2011, 10:26:53 AM

Yeah, this country is falling apart.  Tyranny appears to be the thing of the future.

But we have the right to oppose it as much as we can.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 11:22:49 AM
 You go Wilma :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 11:34:50 AM
  I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.

  I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 11:41:39 AM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf

found this doing research...............
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on April 30, 2011, 12:11:53 PM
Nice article - I agree with it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 02:38:11 PM
Ross -

As requested, this is where I searched:
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php?action=search;advanced

If you type in Elk Konnected, you'll find about 3 pages of forum messages.

Thanks a lot I'll check it out.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 02:43:01 PM
Ross, just who have you been questioning that are not giving you any answers?  I think that if someone wants to know more about an organization, they should join that organization, participate as a follower until they are sure they want to be a member.  You can learn more from the inside of a book than you can from the cover.

There used to be something called EEFECD, I can't even remember now.  Whatever happened to it?  I think it was for the purpose of promoting Elk County.

 So what if we have to go to someone outside the county?  If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help.

I'm sorry, but I will not believe that Liz Hendricks is in this for just what she can get out of it.  I will believe that she has found something that has worked and wanted the same chance for Elk County.  If you insist on driving her out of office on whatever pretext, it is the county that will be losing.

I tried asking at a community conversation, and had the sheriff's deputies called so I excused my self and walked out. I have been asking right here on this forum and I know they are out there but won't respond. Why?

Elk konnected is not just an organization it is a privately hel company. Have you ever been to one of the company meetings? Not the so called communittee coversations but on of the companies private meetings. A book I can open up and read, a company is not a book.

I just don't understand this statement, "If the county would give these citizens a chance to do it themselves, they wouldn't have to ask for outside help."

I have never tried to drive anyone out of office, never. But she does tend to confuse the hat's she wears. While acting as County commissioner she took a defensive stance as Elk Konnected. That is quite confusing.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 05:00:50 PM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money.  Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue?  Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.

Not that's not nice, something said like that could incite something . I don't think anyone really feels like that around here.. Tell me you are joking.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 05:13:49 PM
  I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.

  I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.
Do You live in Stella, Missouri now. Is that part of the beautiful Ozarks?
All I've been doing is asking questions and I don't get no answers and I don't believe that is insuating anything. As a taxpayer, living here I feel I have that right when someone is trying to influence the use of my taxes. Elk Konnectedd is leading everyone to believe they run Elk Konnected when they are not even members. Now that's insuating something that is not true. Who is really play games here. If perhaps we would have had people asking questions about our financial world our country would not be in a financial crisis and millions of people would not have lost their homes and retirement funds. No body cared to ask the questions. But I'd almost bet, (because I am not a betting man) they would not have recieved any answers. Much like our situation right now, nobody answere for Elk Konnected. Oh and the financial world di great untill it fell apart. and who pays.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 05:18:38 PM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money.  Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue?  Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.

I believe, I stated that it appears the Elk Konnected came about, at about the same time that the wind farm company was doing it's consideration of tis area and before the contracts were signed. These people that do this stuff with land surveys and wind study's and such don't work over night.

Do people carry guns to meetings in Delaware? I've never seen it here.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 05:20:18 PM
If I remember correctly, they did use donations from the original interested people as seed money.  Remember this all goes back to 2007. Isn't that before the wind farm issue?  Perhaps not. Don't forget, leave your guns with the sheriff when you come in to the meetings. ;) It has become obvious that there is some hot blood out there and some people might feel intimidated.

What people, whi were they?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on April 30, 2011, 05:41:02 PM
Yes, of course I was kidding about checking guns.....I'll leave it at that.  Yes, we've had people with carry permits have guns at meetings, but when a US Marshal or police officer we all know comes it's no big deal. We all know each other. Now a stranger displaying a weapon might be something else. I'm sure the first people who donated were known and acknowledged but I'm not the one to ask. Someone else on here may remember.  May I ask why it matters now?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 06:14:11 PM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf

found this doing research...............
Avery nice letter. But if she is Elk Konnected writing to yourself is kind of weird isn't it/
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 06:17:34 PM
Yes, of course I was kidding about checking guns.....I'll leave it at that.  Yes, we've had people with carry permits have guns at meetings, but when a US Marshal or police officer we all know comes it's no big deal. We all know each other. Now a stranger displaying a weapon might be something else. I'm sure the first people who donated were known and acknowledged but I'm not the one to ask. Someone else on here may remember.  May I ask why it matters now?

As I have stated they won't tell. And the amount they claim is the same as the $3000.00 School Grant they recieved from the Kansas State Department of Commerce. That is just to much of a coincidence.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on April 30, 2011, 06:32:07 PM
I would still like to know just who it is that you are asking that won't tell.  They covers a lot of people.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on April 30, 2011, 06:42:26 PM
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Do You live in Stella, Missouri now. Is that part of the beautiful Ozarks?

Yeah I do.....ooohhhh how'd you find out where I live? LOL! WE do, but I still have PLENTY of tax-payin relatives in that neck of the woods, I was born, raised and spent almost 40 of my 50 years there. We left for the reasons that from what I can tell ELK Konnected is tryin to do somethin about.....no jobs, no future for my kids except leavin. I'm real happy your a tax-paying land-owner, so are my relatives LOL. I f you want to know answers so bad ask the people who are INVOLVED instead of fishin from people who obviously ARENT and stompin around sniffin the corners for S*&^ the way you are on here! Go to a meeting and participate instead of grand-standin like you're the caped crusader for Christs sake.

Avery nice letter. But if she is Elk Konnected writing to yourself is kind of weird isn't it/

uh....it's a magazine article to the CITIZENS of Elk county.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 07:54:18 PM
Yeah I do.....ooohhhh how'd you find out where I live? LOL! WE do, but I still have PLENTY of tax-payin relatives in that neck of the woods, I was born, raised and spent almost 40 of my 50 years there. We left for the reasons that from what I can tell ELK Konnected is tryin to do somethin about.....no jobs, no future for my kids except leavin. I'm real happy your a tax-paying land-owner, so are my relatives LOL. I f you want to know answers so bad ask the people who are INVOLVED instead of fishin from people who obviously ARENT and stompin around sniffin the corners for S*&^ the way you are on here! Go to a meeting and participate instead of grand-standin like you're the caped crusader for Christs sake.

uh....it's a magazine article to the CITIZENS of Elk county.

I left Independence in 1966 to serve in the military. I came back after 4 years and there was no work so I reenlisted. In 1976 I went to work for Arco pipeline fro East Chicago to Corpus Christi and places in between. After ten years I, along with quite a few others got layed off. I became jobless and homeless for several months during the winter. I moved to Washington State lived in my pick up truck and looked for work and worked several jobs while waiting to be hired at the Puget Sound Naval Shipyard. From there I was forced into disability retirement due to an on the job injury and I chose this County to live in versus Montgomery. I like this county a lot.

AS I've said several times those are not the company meetings. When they tell you don't sit with your spouse, don't sit with your neighbor that's just not friendly in my opinion no matter what the excuse they give, nothing comes between me and my wife--nothing. And she feels exactly the same way.  I was told several people at that last meeting asked questions about the company and none were answered. I know that EK iis on here but again no answers.

The Ozarks must be simply beautiful all greened up by now. I loved driving through the Ozarks although it has been a long time since I've been there. I'll never forget it but I'll probably never see it again except in pictures. I just have no desire to roam from my little piece of heaven on earth. I've had plenty of roaming in my life.

Have a great weekend.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on April 30, 2011, 08:22:01 PM
I know lots of people that are part of Elk Konnect. They have different committees and different people are on the different committees from all over the county and Severy. Ross, what is so wrong with a fitness center??? Have you ever struggled with your weight??? Have you not seen on the news and all that you read that obsesity is becoming a killer??

This topic is making me just sick!!! Seriously!! When I was growing up in Severy, we had a group of people that were trying to raise money for a community center for the kids, and another group of citizens fought against this group. This is what I see happening here. Not what is good for the whole county, but what is good for you, look out for number one!! I don't like that kind of thinking!! I hope to live in Elk County the rest of my life, and I sure would like to think that there is something here in a few years. At the rate that you all are thinking and acting, man there won't be anything left because the people that are the doers are the ones that you are ALWAYS knocking down. Do you know that is what bugs me about being a 4-H leader!! If want to know something about something, go to meetings, participate in things. Try to be active in things, not the ones standing around complaining all the time!!! SO DONE WITH THIS!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on April 30, 2011, 09:31:53 PM
I know lots of people that are part of Elk Konnect. They have different committees and different people are on the different committees from all over the county and Severy. Ross, what is so wrong with a fitness center??? Have you ever struggled with your weight??? Have you not seen on the news and all that you read that obsesity is becoming a killer??

This topic is making me just sick!!! Seriously!! When I was growing up in Severy, we had a group of people that were trying to raise money for a community center for the kids, and another group of citizens fought against this group. This is what I see happening here. Not what is good for the whole county, but what is good for you, look out for number one!! I don't like that kind of thinking!! I hope to live in Elk County the rest of my life, and I sure would like to think that there is something here in a few years. At the rate that you all are thinking and acting, man there won't be anything left because the people that are the doers are the ones that you are ALWAYS knocking down. Do you know that is what bugs me about being a 4-H leader!! If want to know something about something, go to meetings, participate in things. Try to be active in things, not the ones standing around complaining all the time!!! SO DONE WITH THIS!!

I'll try once again. Elk Konnected LLC is a company, not a group. Someone owns it. Elk Konnected use groups to do their bidding. LLC means Limited Liability Company. As a non-profit company they have to file with the State and IRS as a company. The company Elk Konnected started the fitnes center which may or may not be required to bbe licensed with the City of Howard. I have never said anything was wrong with the fitness center. I have asked how many use it and how much it cost for membership. The company Elk Konnected LLC does not publish their meetings. They publish what they call Community Conversations which has nothing to do with the company's meetings. I just can make it any simpler than that. Community Conversations are not Company Meetings.

As far as my weight I did at one time put on quite a few too many pounds and it took me two years to take it off. And right now I pay attention in hopes that it never happens again. i simply pushed away from the table and don't have extra helpings and I ate an awful lot of oat meal something I never did like. Now that I am older I like it occassionally.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on April 30, 2011, 09:46:58 PM
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8. Maybe you should call some of the GROUP people then, instead of asking on here?????? Wouldn't that be the way to get the answers??? I mean, or send a letter. Seems to me you know EVERYTHING about this GROUP!!! I didn't know it was an LLC, and really that doesn't bother me. I have to say what bothers me is that I feel you are putting this group down at every turn they make. I know you don't like that they use tax dollars to fund it, but do you have solid proof about that?? So, one person is in two groups!! Not to many volunteers jumping to help do to many things around here. I know that its hard enough to get parents to want to become involved in the groups that their children are part of, sometimes it is. And once people know that you will help out, they will always call you. That's because they know that you will help out. I am always sending treats to Girl Scouts, spent countless hours working Auction sales for 4-H, given teachers gifts to show that what they do for my child is appreciated, and I would do it again in a heart beat. Not for the glory, but because it's the right and nice thing to do. Maybe whoever gave the start up money don't want that kind of recognition, they just wanted to give to see something nice done for the community.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 10:18:26 AM
I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago. They did ask for donations also and some people do like to donate to things anonymously so they don't get hounded by other people also looking for donations.This forum, as much as I'm sure some would like it to be, is not the be all and end all of Elk County. There are people who support EK who would not like to be announced on the forum as they don't like the gossip. I'd talk more about this but then I'd be rude and I don't want to be.
 I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem? If they didn't get it someone else would have. Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 11:35:59 AM
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8. Maybe you should call some of the GROUP people then, instead of asking on here?????? Wouldn't that be the way to get the answers??? I mean, or send a letter. Seems to me you know EVERYTHING about this GROUP!!! I didn't know it was an LLC, and really that doesn't bother me. I have to say what bothers me is that I feel you are putting this group down at every turn they make. I know you don't like that they use tax dollars to fund it, but do you have solid proof about that?? So, one person is in two groups!! Not to many volunteers jumping to help do to many things around here. I know that its hard enough to get parents to want to become involved in the groups that their children are part of, sometimes it is. And once people know that you will help out, they will always call you. That's because they know that you will help out. I am always sending treats to Girl Scouts, spent countless hours working Auction sales for 4-H, given teachers gifts to show that what they do for my child is appreciated, and I would do it again in a heart beat. Not for the glory, but because it's the right and nice thing to do. Maybe whoever gave the start up money don't want that kind of recognition, they just wanted to give to see something nice done for the community.

Okay, I have tried to be as clear as I possibly can. I don't know everything about Elk Konnected LLC the company. I do know the their so called community conversations are very controlled and you are only allowed to talk to people in you circle that you are asked to join in, untill Elk Konnected permits you to change circles and you may only discuss what Elk Konnected wants you to talk about. And that is brought about peer pressure. I also know that Elk Konnected doesn't want us to consider them a privately owned company. And now that we know Elk Konnected doesn't want us to know who owns the company.

Pleas show me where i have put Elk Konnected down and I will eat my words.

As far as writing a letter, using a postage stamp, that is the old fashioned way, we are now in the 21st Century and the digital era. This forum is the modern way to communicate. And it allows others who may be interested know and understand what is transpiring. not just one person. Even Elk Konnected, LLC is aware of that with their web page. And like any political or company they monitor what is happening one thweb to know what is going on in their interest or otherwise. This particular 6thread of Elk County Forum is for political discussions and I do thank the owners of this Forum for providing this form of communication. I am also certain if the owners of this web site were biased or offended they would remove this thread. And if I had crossed any lines moving into derrogatory behavior they would quickly let me know or even remove me from as a member of this site.

I have never said I don't like them using tax dollars. I have said, I don't like that they deny using tax dollars. Yes I have proved they use tax dollars. School grants from the Kansas Department of Commerce are funded by taxes. At the County Commissioners meeting Liz argued that Elk Konnected LLC never saw that money, that the money went straight to Public Squares Community. it really make no difference if the money got to Public Squares Cummunities by homing pigeon or by snail mail. The money was to pay Public Squares Communities for their services on behalf of Elk Konnected LLC. She still insisted they don't use tax payers dollars and I reminded her that just before i stood before the commisioners the Elk Konnected LLC Youth Services was infront of them asking for money and recieved it and i asked her if that was tax money. I recieved no answer.

As you said you didn't know that Elk Konnected is an LLC and it doesn't bother you. And that's fine with me. But I would like to know who owns a private company that wants to influence our elected officials and who wants to control our tax doallars and how they are spent. I really don't care how many lollipops they throw out to appease a few people, the little soccer play times, the card playing that's lollipops. I don't care how many people they put on panerls to make them feel important to appease them. The important aspect of this whole thig are those that hide behind closed doors.
Please tell me why they are hiding?
We are communicating a whole lot better than Elk Konnected. Oh FYI I'm not using some fictious name

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 11:48:59 AM
I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago. They did ask for donations also and some people do like to donate to things anonymously so they don't get hounded by other people also looking for donations.This forum, as much as I'm sure some would like it to be, is not the be all and end all of Elk County. There are people who support EK who would not like to be announced on the forum as they don't like the gossip. I'd talk more about this but then I'd be rude and I don't want to be.
 I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem? If they didn't get it someone else would have. Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn.

"I know of a least one fund raiser too, about three years ago."
What exactly do you know about that fund raiser. Share that with us please.

"If they applied for a start up grant from Kansas and got it, what is the problem?" The denial, the continuous denial that they use tax dollars. Openly sayig in the newspaper that they don't us tax payers money.

"Perhaps it's nice that is was Elk County's turn." It wasn't Elk County that got the school grant, see that's how things get mixed up. It was Elk Konnected LLC that got the grant.

I'm still not quite sure about the ''tax payers money" business. What's there not not to be sure of. Read the post directly above this one.And if you still have questions I will try and do my best to provide a proper answer. If I can't I will definitly say so.

And yes I thinks it is a great idea of yours to keep everything civil. Kudos to you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 11:55:50 AM
25.00 a month membership, and there are many members not just 8.

Thank you very much for that information. $25 a month is not a bad deal.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 12:40:17 PM
I didn't see birth certificate listed as one of the documents that should be made public.
Wow! Who asked for a birth certificate?
How rude.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 12:53:44 PM
  I've been reading all the posts about this and all the different threads....I've been stayin out of it since we no longer live there.

  I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......trying to implant and play on peoples natural tendencies to be suspicious of any change and any dislike of people involved or distrust of government that has kept much from happening or changing since I was a kid there in Severy. Just stirrin turds to see if any float.........be careful the septic dont burp and splash back on you.

  "I have been watchin a very underhanded campaign of insinuation......"
"Campaign of insuations"   Really? What specific insuations? Please be specific?
I'd really like to know the insuations.

"Just stirrin turds to see if any float"
Now that is just Crass with a capital "C".
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 01, 2011, 01:18:59 PM
 Insinuations of a "dark purpose"......... insinuations of improper practices......insinuations of conflict of interest.......insinuations of ulterior motives etc etc etc etc.

as for the stirrin turds....it applies to what you are doing. Dont jump down my neck and call me crass or anything else for callin a spade a spade.

I AINT your huckleberry so move on.

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Oh FYI I'm not using some fictious name

Everybody on here knows exactly who lookatmeknow is.........we've known her since we were kids.


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When they tell you don't sit with your spouse, don't sit with your neighbor that's just not friendly in my opinion no matter what the excuse they give, nothing comes between me and my wife--nothing. And she feels exactly the same way.
 

uh instead of a dark purpose maybe they wanted to mix people up so DIFFERENT ideas would be discussed and hammered out instead of ONE idea and some gladhandin........just a thought. Really HIGHLY doubt they were tryin to break  up your marriage....use a little common sense instead of paranoia!

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The Ozarks must be simply beautiful all greened up by now. I loved driving through the Ozarks although it has been a long time since I've been there. I'll never forget it but I'll probably never see it again except in pictures. I just have no desire to roam from my little piece of heaven on earth. I've had plenty of roaming in my life.

yes it is and it's a great place to live. as for roamin I roam all the time, I roam up there pretty often. I had my little piece of heaven there too....unFORtunately it was move or starve...so dont tell me how wonderful things are there....if you are on disability and have that check and dont have to drive 100 miles to work every day it is an EXCELLANT place to live.

Oh yeah.....I'm done. Yall have a nice MayDay :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 02:20:10 PM
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
  As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
     If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about?  Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal  charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so  concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 04:32:05 PM
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
  As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
     If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about?  Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal  charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so  concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.

Diane, I think one of the concerns is the fact that, behind the informal public group there is, in reality, a formal company, with a charter and a select (as in legally admitted 'membership) group who operate with a certain impunity and lack of transparency.  That group (the LLC) is not accountable to the community at large, yet are undertaking to guide (facilitate) community meetings and in some cases solicit monies from taxpayer (in the form of grant and direct local subsidy) sources and act to provide input to a government decision making body.  While much can be known about the 'public' face of this private group, almost nothing can be known about the private face.  Financial accountability, beyond the petty cash level that the LLC chooses to reveal, is non-existent.  Of the charter under which the LLC was created, only the date of formation and the name/address of the resident agent are readily discoverable. Of the outside affiliations the LLC has chosen to engage, virtually nothing is known in any detail.  The fact is that public knowledge of the LLC is virtually nonexistent, beyond anything the LLC chooses to disclose, and the public impression of that group is created largely by actions or advertising the LLC decides to initiate.  One thing the public can know, is that a a local elected official has substantial involvement (as in potential management/official staff position) with both the local LLC and the outside community organizing company discussed in the next paragraph.  Not really very transparent in the eyes of an objective observer.

The local private group has seen fit to retain and pay for outside community organization services.  It was the outside source that told some people, in no uncertain terms, that they could not participate in the most recently facilitated 'community discussion' unless they chose to separate themselves from spouses and close friends and sit in circles of people they did not know.  If those conditions were imposed by government, there would be a violation of the constitutional right of free assembly.  When done in the setting at hand, it was highly offensive and reeked of subterfuge and manipulation.  Of course, 'their meeting/their rules' surely apply, the appearance was something far short of an 'open public' forum.  Before someone disputes the claims of fact of this paragraph, know that Ross, myself and at least five others were witnesses to what is claimed.

Until a complaint emerged at a commission meeting, the local LLC was given unpaid space (an official link and page) on an official government website.  Again, a fact witnessed by a room full of people.  Who missed the ethical boat on that one?  If that had been a church, the ACLU would have given birth to a cow with threats of litigation and injunction.  Yet, it's no big deal only because of the public image that the company has been able to create among a rather insulated population with a few minor community improvements (a small exercise center, kids ball game and camping sponsorships, etc.).  With local prices being necessarily higher than other communities, the job market being virtually nonexistent, the population in decline, infrastructure being substandard in many cases, mill levy's & per capita property taxes being among the highest in the state, the prospect for real job growth through business development being beyond bleak, Ross's lollipop analogy when referring to Elk Konnected's community contributions seems somehow very generous.  While hope springs eternal, sometimes the facts remain unchanged.

Even the county public employee who is charged with guiding community development is believed to have been officially tasked with maintaining a Facebook page for the private LLC.  Wouldn't that be considered ethically questionable and a potential misappropriation of taxpayer monies (in terms of the public salary involved)?

You see people on this forum (myself included) complain about corporate welfare/abuse, federal and state government overreaching/abuse of power, and a myriad of other issues based on minuscule evidence (general news or editorial input from various unverifiable and possibly biased sources).  Here, we have a local and intimate operation at work to drive public opinion (and very possibly local tax monies) the core of which is virtually unseen & unknown by the public at large.  But let a few folks ask what should be very legitimate questions and they are openly ignored, minimized, demonized or told to join the parade in order to get the answers needed to determine if joining the parade is a prudent personal choice.  Personally, I don't want to jump in the shower all at once to find out if the water is too hot.  I would rather ask questions and get open honest answers before I jump in with my time, energy and money.  If being prudent is a crime, then get the hangin' rope.

Now, before you or anyone else asks 'what about the windfarm an how the LLC has helped promote it', let's consider an irrefutable fact or two.  Foremost is the reality that at the core of the Elk Konnected/Public Square promotion of the wind project are:

   1)  People whose close family and/or family enterprises some of whom will be receiving potentially millions of dollars in personal benefits via lease payments on land they own.  In itself, that's great.  But when married to a private group bent on driving public opinion on the matter and to related persons who hold elected office, the picture is not so clear.

   2)  People in 1 above who are, and have very likely been, involved in the official courting of and negotiating for the entire project for years with both the project developer & federal and state agencies.  This even further muddies the picture for an astute observer.

   3)  People who have or stand to receive, in part, financial reward for their efforts in enhancing the local LLC and its' public image.

If not for a few 'evil skeptics' who believe in the public having ALL the facts that reflect on the true nature of government/private partnerships/relationships and other dealings that might well affect their futures, lives and choices in leadership, these issues might never have brought forward for public scrutiny.  Now, I ask you, who is it that really have the best interests of the citizens of Elk County at heart? 

Moral to an old story about a stubborn bird who wanted something different:  All those who put you in the s^*t aren't necessarily your enemies, and all those who seem to get you out, aren't necessarily your friends.



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 04:40:25 PM
Ross, I know EK had a wine tasting party several years back to raise money for EK to fund some of their projects. I doubt there was anything sinister about it. I can't share details since I'm too far away to go to such things but there are forum people who were involved.They could share details if they want to, not sure why they should have to though. They also asked for donations and equipment for the health center.
  As far as the circle groups in meetings and dividing people up, it's an easy way to do a mixer and have people get to meet new people, so new ideas can be shared and there is less chance for people to be intimidated by spouses and neighbors...no everybody doesn't do that but some do. Some wives expect their husbands to speak for them and visa versa. Some people are very shy and retiring ( like me ;D) but have really good ideas if they feel safe and free to share them. Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before.It's very commonly done in workshops and conferences here.
     If they choose to have their organization run as a "committee of the whole" with a number of subset committees doing their various projects and reporting their progress back informally at their meetings, what's to be concerned about?  Does there always have to be a formal leader with Roberts Rules in place? Do they really need a formal  charter, constitution and by-laws? I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money. They have been hard at work on these projects for four years now. What caused you to be so  concerned right now? What was the catalyst? If I'd been one of the people working on the education committee, for example I'd surely be discouraged if someone, after four years, was suddenly so negative.

Wow, that's right someone did have a wine tasting party. I had completely forgot about that. I didn't pay any attention to that, because I don't drink. If I have a drink it's because I have a cold or a touch of the flu. I only use alcohol for medicinal purposes. But that a great way to raise funds.

As far as they run their community conversations I don't really care. I just won't have anyone or any business coming between my wife and myself no matter the circumstances and my wife feels the same way. We don't take our marriage lightly. We have a great relationship and plan to keep it that way.  One time we had a friend try to come between us. I repeat had a friend. We had the same happen with a relative try to come between us, they are still a relative but not welcome around us. We feel that strongly about our marriage. So, I won't be attending their circus of control.

Your remark, "Other people who have very aggressive personalities and will trample people verbally and sometimes have learn to tone it down as to not scare off the naturally quiet ones. I guess you have never run into that before."  May be true but the opposite is true as well, they can just choose to ignore what someone has to say.

The next remark, "I have no doubt they are financially accountable for their money." Although I have never thought about that what do you base that statement on?

Another remark you make, "Do they really need a formal  charter, constitution and by-laws?" I have never suggest that they do. I simply asked if they do. Asking a question does not imply that it is a necessity.

Why, am I interested now that's a fair question and deserves a fair answer. When they attack a community with in the county, perhaps attack is the wrong word, let's use Liz's word bash a community after saying they want to pull all the communities together, that's just not right. I even brought that to the attention of Liz and she said and I quote, "We didn't mean to bash Elk Falls." And yet they haven't removed the offending remarks.

Now back to the statement of "pulling all the communities together"  in their list of suggestions say the following:

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)

Notice those are BIG IDEA'S Take away the individual community identities and control of their communities. Not a good idea, not at all. Take away their right under the constitution to govern themselves
Take away Longton's Free Fair for what reason to benefit Howard. The Longton Free Fair is Longton's business not Elk County or Elk Konnected LLC. Unless of course they take away their right under the constitution as citizens to freely assemble. Their fair is a lot of fun to go to.  

Centrally located doesn't meant we draw an "X" through the middle of the county and locate everything there. Centrally Located I am sure would mean Howard. It appears to me what people have been telling me since I have moved here is true. I won't mention names,  they need to come forward on their own. But what I have been told is everything is for Howard.

Howard claims our School West Elk as their school.
Elk Konnected LLC is located in Howard.
The Elk Konnected Fitness Center is in Howard.
It appears the Elk Konnected LLC is owned by someone in Howard.
Do I need to repeat Howard.
When the school ran the school referendum 2/3's of the county voted against it
whole 2/3's of Howard voted for it.
I think part of why it got voted down is because Howard wanted to build a community storm shelter into it.
Why can't they build their own storm shelter instead having most of the county pay for it for them.
Other reason's may have been the overall cost and we were being told the school budget was facing major cuts by the state.
You know I think they could have repaired the roof of the school in Moline for a lot less than they paid for the portable buildings.
Part of the roof was still under warranty.

So yes, I believe everyone should be interested in who is handing out the lollipops and keeping the goodies. Who owns Elk Konnected LLC, not so much to ask considering they want to influence our County Government's Elected Officials, and to shut down community organizations, IE their city governments and move control to Howard.

I enjoy visiting with you I hope you are having a great day. I am, I'm geeting a little bit of rain which is sorely needed. I just don't think it will be enoug unless this sprinkle last all night. I can hope but the odds are poor.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 05:41:27 PM
I figured if there was a financial problem with EK it would have been found out long before this. So, basically the wind farm and something that was said to /or about Elk Falls people is where the problem is mostly? I just have a hard time getting my head around this because there are so few of you. I've got more people on my side of Newark here than you have in your whole county!  That makes each of you and each of your opinions more valuable, but at the same time you can't have 2882 different ways of doing things and accomplish anything, plus the little towns are so spread out.  I'd hate to see all the hard work evaporate. Do any of you have any ideas on compromise here?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:04:42 PM
Before someone disputes the claims of fact of this paragraph, know that Ross, myself and at least five others were witnesses to what is claimed.

So, you are one of the 250 or so people that were at the Community Conversation.  Thanks for narrowing your real identity down a little bit there.  Must be nice to banty about claims of lack of transparency and conflicts of interest when you will not even acknowledge who you are.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 06:29:27 PM
I figured if there was a financial problem with EK it would have been found out long before this. So, basically the wind farm and something that was said to /or about Elk Falls people is where the problem is mostly? I just have a hard time getting my head around this because there are so few of you. I've got more people on my side of Newark here than you have in your whole county!  That makes each of you and each of your opinions more valuable, but at the same time you can't have 2882 different ways of doing things and accomplish anything, plus the little towns are so spread out.  I'd hate to see all the hard work evaporate. Do any of you have any ideas on compromise here?

All these little communities are great places to live, the people are great. Sure they each have their differences but that's the way life is. They each have their own little celebrations which are unique unto them selves. Have you heard of the Elk Falls outhouse tour and contest. Unique.

There is no need for a compromise in myopinion. What makes you say that to me? I'm not in any battle or argument I have only asked a few simple questions.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 06:32:12 PM
What makes you say that to me? I'm not in any battle or argument I have only asked a few simple questions.

 ::)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 01, 2011, 06:49:56 PM
Sorry Ross, it wasn't personal. Perhaps compromise isn't the right word. I'm not sure how to say what I mean, so I'll think about it more.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: indygal on May 01, 2011, 07:11:53 PM
I too was one of more than 250 citizens who went to the wind farm conversation to share ideas. It was advertised quite publicly that it was to be a "conversation," not a "forum." I've been to many meetings in my life, where all the folding chairs are facing the front or a table on a stage, where all the people "in charge" sit and hear comments from the audience. I have never witnessed a constructive conversation during any of those meetings, because the atmosphere isn't designed for communication. It is the "all-facing-front" set-up where you might detect some leadership "control." How many people stand in front of a microphone to petition the leaders to sway a decision one way or another? If you yourself have stood before a council or other decision-making body, did you feel your ideas were heard? This meeting wasn't about decisions, it was about hearing ideas about what THE PEOPLE want to see happen. If you still insist this gathering was about "control," the you don't understand the word "conversation."

Next, suppose you were asked to share your ideas with the same people you talk to everyday -- neighbors, co-workers, family members, friends at the coffee shop -- how much new input would you or they be hearing? After a few of those conversations, would you not pretty much already agree with everyone in the group? Do you need your opinions mirrored back to you in order to feel validated? And why on earth would anyone be so resistant to talking with new people, people who have different interests and ideas, who experience life from a different perspective? Why is this viewed as a negative thing? Ross, are you and your wife so threatened in your relationship that you can't be separated for a few hours in order to talk with people you don't know? Had you taken a different approach, I'm sure the two of you could have sat together, but to take an accusatory stance before the meeting every starts -- are you really interested in what Elk Konnected is about, or have you already made up your mind?

Had you stayed that evening-- had you really wanted to know how the conversationunfolded, had you not already walked in with an opinion that was based on nothing but suspicion and paranoia -- you would have seen that Terry Woodbury did indeed facilitate the meeting but did not attempt to lead anyone to any sort of conclusion, and that he did not put forth any suggestions about how the PILOT funds should be spent. The only people offering suggestions were the ones who chose to participate in the conversation. I don't believe Terry Woodbury even cares about what Elk County does with the money. It's the decision of the taxpayers, not Elk Konnected, who merely hosted the event to give anyone with an idea a chance to be heard.

The commissioners' decision to give county residents a voice (which I understand is participatory government is about --  freedom of speech, by the people for the people, you know...the values our country's founders had in mind). It's true that those who wished to remain on the sidelines were not included in the conversation, but they did have that opportunity and instead chose to decline. There were no shouting matches in the conversation circles. People expressed their ideas, big and small, and for a short time, dared to dream. Anyone who says it's wrong to have a dream and share it out loud -- well, all I can say is they must have given up on their own a long time ago and find it easy to fault those who haven't.

I have an interest in the future of Elk County. This is where I make my living and where I plan to retire. Our county faces the same serious problems many others do, but they won't be solved by ignoring them and hoping they go away, and they won't be solved by questioning the motives of those involved in Elk Konnected and repeatedly insisting that those motives are sinister in some way.  I agree that it seems like the same folks are involved in several different groups -- but this shouldn't reflect poorly on them; rather, it reflects poorly on those who don't make an effort to make a difference. Problems get solved by those who get involved.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 07:20:23 PM
Where's the 'clapping hands' smiley when you need it.

Thank you!  :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 01, 2011, 07:26:17 PM
DITTO
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: sixdogsmom on May 01, 2011, 07:32:06 PM
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done. Since 2007 Moline has had their nursing home shut down by the county. Let's see, this directly benefited Howard whose nursing home received the residents from Elk Manor, thus assuring them capacity. Several Moline folks lost their jobs as a result, and Moline residents can no longer look to spend their final months/years in a facility in their home town. It may only be incidental that 2007 was the year that EK was organised.

Last year a group not calling themselves Elk Konnected began campaigning for a new grade school located in Howard. Funny thing though, these folks looked just exactly like Elk Konnected folks, and organised like Elk Konnected folks. In fact most of them were indeed members of Elk Konnected. They campaigned hard; handed out cut rate hotdogs and gave the kiddies t-shirts. School employees were used to help with the effort, and the school superintendant who is a member of EK did his part by donating school resources, appearing at public meetings and telling untruths to the people. As a result of all this, Moline lost their grade school, Severy lost their grade school, and Corey Reese got a sizable raise in salary this year despite these difficult financial times. Let's see now, that is Howard 2, Moline 0, Elk Falls 0, Grenola 0.

Now the school system in Elk county is known as Howard West Elk? What's up with that?

EK did organize an effort to establish a wellness center, but where to put it? Oh yes, put it in Howard, that is where all the real folks are, don't you know. And to establish this they had a fundraiser wine tasting event. This was held at Polk Daniels lake just outside of ---you guessed it; Howard. 'Course these folks who attended that never buy gasoline, soft drinks, headache powders or maybe just a hamburger. So maybe Moline, Grenola, or Elk Falls or Longton did not lose out. Now we are at another tally mark; Howard 3, Moline 0, Elk Falls 0, Grenola 0, and Longton 0.

So here we are at the crux of the matter; the smell of money. Since 2007 when the windfarm project began to take form, itches began to develope and only money could scratch it. And how to make the most of the opportunity? Funnel those monies where they will go to improve what EK perceives as the best direction. Funnel these funds toward Howard. Close down the fairgrounds at Longton, and rebuild the fairgrounds at Howard. Let the county fund a new water system for Howard and the surrounding areas, and pay for it with pilot funds. Just too bad that Moline, and Grenola did it on their own. Also, fund the demolition of the old Howard grade school. Howard also need new asphalt pavement for their streets, and they need a new storm shelter. Whooosh! Folks, that is not a tornado overhead; it is the sound of our tax dollars (PILOT=payment in lie of taxes) headed for Howard. Watch Us As We Grow!  ???
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 07:41:30 PM
Don't ya love small town good ole boy politics.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 07:42:58 PM
So, you are one of the 250 or so people that were at the Community Conversation.  Thanks for narrowing your real identity down a little bit there.  Must be nice to banty about claims of lack of transparency and conflicts of interest when you will not even acknowledge who you are.


Since I'm not soliciting any public votes or public monies, my identity is irrelevant to the topic, and your clinical obsession with my personal identity is at least puzzling.  At best, it's a sad commentary on your true interests.  As I've suggested before, if one is more interested in the messenger than the message or idea, then their shallow nature is self evident to intelligent observers.  If you doubt the veracity of any statements made as fact, then be a good student and go research them for yourself.  If you must obsess on identities, then I, personally, must discount you as lacking serious interest in the subject matter and possessing a limited ability to analyze it.

Great minds discuss concepts, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 01, 2011, 07:59:29 PM

Since I'm not soliciting any public votes or public monies, my identity is irrelevant to the topic

Do you know the definition of hypocrisy?  Is the word even in your vocabulary?  Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.

How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies? 

Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year. 

Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past. 

Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.

We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.

If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.  One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 08:00:30 PM
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done...  
Whooosh! Folks, that is not a tornado overhead; it is the sound of our tax dollars (PILOT=payment in lie of taxes) headed for Howard. Watch Us As We Grow!  ???

Mix the power of government with the undue influence of a private endeavor and there might be many who eventually, through no fault of their own, end up on the short end of a very messy stick.  

Mom, I've disagreed with some things you've posted in the last 3 years or so, but on this important issue, you are being far more intellectually honest and realistic than others who would defend something based on shallow observations (hot dogs & lollipops) & hearsay while ignoring facts and provable outcomes (lost jobs, etc.) or waste their energies on petty personal pursuits.  Keep telling it like it is.... someday others will perhaps listen.


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 08:01:50 PM
Sorry Ross, it wasn't personal. Perhaps compromise isn't the right word. I'm not sure how to say what I mean, so I'll think about it more.

Apology accepted even though one was not necessary. I odn't always get the right word or terminology either.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 08:13:33 PM
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy?  Is the word even in your vocabulary?  Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.

How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies? 

Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year. 

Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past. 

Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.

We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.

If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.  One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!
Good lord.  Your worse in that your attempt to deflect the topic away from the real issues at hand.  WHo gives a rats ass who Patriot is.  He apparantly isn't a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.  Otherwise he would be defending the current status quo. 
DO you even have a clue as to what it means to have a open and honest transparant government in which its members have no ties to corporations that do business with the counties in which it operates in?   ITS quite plain to see that this is what is going on.  New ball parks, fitness centers, ect.... Why does a private corp receive tax dollars to fund its operations, so that they can provide fitness centers and ballparks among other activities.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 01, 2011, 08:17:10 PM
Do you know the definition of hypocrisy?  Is the word even in your vocabulary?  Oh you must a dictionary that was written for and by the reactionary right.

How do we know you are not soliciting votes or monies? 

Since no one besides you knows who you are, you could be preparing to run against Liz Hendricks for county commissioner next year. 

Perhaps you own a construction company that has been denied a contract from the county or school system in the past. 

Maybe you own land adjacent to the windfarm and are ticked-off that you weren't included in it.

We, the open and honest members of this Forum do not know much about you, but it is rather apparent that you are so insecure in your method of debate that you have to do it from behind a mask.

If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.  One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!


Definition of HYPOCRISY
1: a feigning to be what one is not or to believe what one does not


I'm not pretending to be anything other than a citizen who has views about the mix of a private company and the county government and one who believes that decisions, especially in the arena of community future, should be made with the benefit of as many open facts as are possibly available. 

If any of the questions you present change the importance of information I've been saying needs to be in public view, then you are indeed are somehow blinded.

In fact, other than your online, self enhancing resume, I know virtually nothing about the 'open and honest members of this forum'.  Which is about as much as many of them know about me.  No harm, no foul.

Dueling?  Man, you are in need of help.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 01, 2011, 08:23:55 PM
Patriot---I could care less who you are. I read your posts and they are interesting and I don't care what your name is.

NOT EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM CARES WHO SAYS WHAT! --------KSHILLBILLYS
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 08:34:16 PM
Patriot---I could care less who you are. I read your posts and they are interesting and I don't care what your name is.

NOT EVERYONE ON THIS FORUM CARES WHO SAYS WHAT! --------KSHILLBILLYS
Amen. Although I have met him ---he is real --- he walks, he talks --- oop's I better stop. LOL
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 08:34:44 PM
Good lord.  Your worse in that your attempt to deflect the topic away from the real issues at hand.  WHo gives a rats ass who Patriot is.  He apparantly isn't a GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.  Otherwise he would be defending the current status quo. 
DO you even have a clue as to what it means to have a open and honest transparant government in which its members have no ties to corporations that do business with the counties in which it operates in?   ITS quite plain to see that this is what is going on.  New ball parks, fitness centers, ect.... Why does a private corp receive tax dollars to fund its operations, so that they can provide fitness centers and ballparks among other activities.

Elk County employs an economic development/youth services person. Now that employee is being overworked by Elk Konnected LLC. The poor girl. She is new and already learning about the politics of her position. Elk konnected LLC I have been told by a reliable source has been sending her to ask for donations for them a Chamber of Commerce. She has been told no and she was asked to have them send someone else. I probably shouldn't even have mentioned this because I am not at liberty to quote my source, but my sympathies are with the new young employee. Elk Konnected is trying to get money all over the place and that is the nature of running a non-profit business. I get e-mails and snail mails ask for money all te time and get pretty tired of it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 01, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.  One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!

Is that they way they do it in NW Arkansas??
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 01, 2011, 08:47:24 PM

If it were 200 years ago, I would challenge you to a honor deul, similar to Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton.  One giant difference - neither Burr or Hamilton hid behind a mask!

ROTFLMBO   The shits getting over my hip waders now..... 200 years ago, this wouldn't be a issue. FOlks knew that government is government and private business is private business and never should the two copulate and become one.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 01, 2011, 09:53:40 PM
I have been trying my darndest to see the good for the county that EK has done. Since 2007 Moline has had their nursing home shut down by the county. Let's see, this directly benefited Howard whose nursing home received the residents from Elk Manor, thus assuring them capacity. Several Moline folks lost their jobs as a result, and Moline residents can no longer look to spend their final months/years in a facility in their home town.
I think you are not remembering the facts on this.   The county did not shut down the manor.  They sold it.  For like a dollar.  The management company that purchased it ran it for a while then pulled up stakes.  They could not run the facility at a profit. The less than half a dozen residents that went to Twilight Manor were a minority of the total population.  Most went to facilities closer to family. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 01, 2011, 10:05:46 PM
Now the school system in Elk county is known as Howard West Elk? What's up with that?

It is called West Elk Schools.  It's the one with combination grade school, junior high, and high school all on one efficient campus just like Elk Valley. Longton is the town the school building is located but the students come from all over the area. Howard is written on the sports schedules to state what town the game is going to be held either home or away.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jprxmkt on May 01, 2011, 11:17:58 PM
FYI  The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF)  which is used for scholarships for high school students! 

Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the Elk Manor nursing home closing!  That happened way before Elk Konnected was ever started.

Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events.  To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up.  That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops.  There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.


EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign.  Yes, there were probably people on the Vote Yes Campaign committee that are also involved in EK events but this is a small community and people are involved in many groups that they are interested in.


You keep asking for transparency.  There is nothing to make transparent.  You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions.

The fitness center was originally proposed to be put somewhere between Howard and Moline to be centrally located in the county.  Because there are no buildings in that location, that idea is still out there as a dream but is not realistic at this time.  After much research of many other fitness centers, the current location was decided upon.  The rent was reasonable and the size appropriate for the amount of equipment available at that time.  All other towns were searched for comparable buildings at the time and none were found that would work as well.  It has nothing to do with "Howard gets everything."  It has to do with the fact that people will not drive very far just to sweat and Howard has the largest population and therefore is the most logical place to put this type of a business.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 02, 2011, 06:29:29 AM
ROTFLMBO    government is government and private business is private business and never should the two copulate and become one.

I like that. Just think if that was applied fully with in the federal gov't perhaps we would not be facing a possible depression.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 02, 2011, 06:53:38 AM
I like that. Just think if that was applied fully with in the federal gov't perhaps we would not be facing a possible depression.
Well being that the only outcome of that would be a bastard child of socialist fascism it can only make sense to prohibit it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 02, 2011, 09:20:48 AM
FYI  The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF)  which is used for scholarships for high school students! 

Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the Elk Manor nursing home closing!  That happened way before Elk Konnected was ever started.

Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events.  To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up.  That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops.  There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.


EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign.  Yes, there were probably people on the Vote Yes Campaign committee that are also involved in EK events but this is a small community and people are involved in many groups that they are interested in.


You keep asking for transparency.  There is nothing to make transparent.  You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions.

The fitness center was originally proposed to be put somewhere between Howard and Moline to be centrally located in the county.  Because there are no buildings in that location, that idea is still out there as a dream but is not realistic at this time.  After much research of many other fitness centers, the current location was decided upon.  The rent was reasonable and the size appropriate for the amount of equipment available at that time.  All other towns were searched for comparable buildings at the time and none were found that would work as well.  It has nothing to do with "Howard gets everything."  It has to do with the fact that people will not drive very far just to sweat and Howard has the largest population and therefore is the most logical place to put this type of a business.

"FYI  The wine tasting is and has always been sponsored by the Elk County Community and Education Foundation (ECCEF)  which is used for scholarships for high school students!" I do remember that and that's true. It was not me that suggested otherwise just someone trying to stick up for Elk Konnected LLC.

"EK had nothing to do with the "Vote Yes" campaign."  I never heard of that one. That must have been about the grade school. That's a perfectly normal activity and to suggest otherwise is wrong.

"You have twisted EK into something so far from what it actually is that there are no answers to your preposterous questions." If I have asked anything twisted or preposterous tell me what it was, please. I have simply asked why they deny using taxpayers dollars, what's preposerous about that? I have asked who owns Elk Konnected, what's preposterous about that? I am so sorry that you feel that a person has no right to ask questions.

You are the only one I have read to use the words, "communist" who has drugged", and I say double wow. Not nice at all.
The lolipop was used as a euphemism: the substitution of an agreeable or inoffensive expression for one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant. I wasn't trying to offend, that is not my goal.

Anoother question was why is Elk Konnected LLC a private company doing the job of our elected officials, while representing only about 5 or 6% of the county? This implies our elected officials are incapable of doing there job? But really there is no guarantee that the money will ever materialize, perhaps there may be some money in a year or two perhaps no where near the amounts discussed. So what was the hurry on the part of the company Elk Konnected LLC. I'm just trying to understand?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 09:58:05 AM
I was the one who brought up the wine tasting fund raiser and I was not necessarily defending anyone. I was pointing out that E K had put in some effort to raise money on their own, not just use taxpayer money. My comment was based on an Oct. 8, 2008 post...."Besides being fun and an opportunity to learn something about wine, this event will raise funds for Elk Konnected." Perhaps this was a different event? If I'm wrong then I apologize. I didn't mean to stir the pot.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 10:14:48 AM
Ok, Ross. Everyone knows who I am. I am a small business owner in Howard, actually two small businesses. I was born and raised in Severy. Lived in Severy all throughout my grade school and high school years. Attending West Elk schools, Severy Grade School and WE. My name is Angie Town. I have 3 girls that attend school at West Elk. My husband is a rancher and I run a daycare. I am not sure what it matters who I am, but almost everyone knows who I am. I try not to offend anyone on here, I guess its just getting under my skin how everyone is against this organization or feels that they have underlying issues to work the local government. I don't really see that they are. Do you know that there are only a small amount of people willing to be part of organizations in the county? Yes, one is a member of Elk Konnect and a commissioner, so? If you don't like it run for county commissioner. It's that simple! J answered your question about LLC, here it is: Elk Konnected is an LLC because that business model was needed to separate those involved with putting on the childrens events, movies, Fitness Center etc from being sued if anything happened to anyone at one of these events.  To set up an LLC you must put someones name to set one up.  That does not mean that person is some "communist" who has drugged all followers with lollipops.  There is no sinister plan in trying to make our community a better place to live and a place our children would like to come back to and raise their own families.
I know several people that are part of this organization, and they just want to help keep the small communities in Elk County alive and thriving. But with all the negativeness that you and several others put out there, makes me wonder what your agenda is?? What will you do when you have to drive 30 miles for gas, or any sort of staple?

Also got to point out something about grants or schoolorships, they are money that organizations or the government give away.  Before I opened up my daycare there was grant money to help daycare providers buy things to help the children in their care. I also know that different organizations put different stipulations on their different types of grants or scholorships.

Also, I didn't want Severy Grade school to close either. But it just makes sense to have one campus. I attended Severy school all 7 years. But I don't want my kids to have to be shipped over an hour either, so the one campus just makes sense. I hate to see either school suildings close, but the one campus is really working well for the kids. At the first of the year, I was not to happy. My youngest didn't like all the bigger kids and I was taking a crying, kicking, screaming kid to school for the first month. I was about to pull her out, because she just wasnt happy. But the teacher and I worked together and she is doing just fine now. All my girls are and I love that they are all in one building, not in three different locations.

Ross, I see you have questions, and I have also seen many of your questions answered. I guess you don't see them being answered. One that I would also like to state is Elk Konnect running the wind farm meeting. It had nothing to do with Elk Konnect wanting the money or being in charge of the money from the wind farm. It had to do with running a very CONSTRUCTIVE meeting. I remember going to a school board meeting where it was sit and face the front of the auditorium and only 1 1/2 hours for all the people in the room to ask their questions about the schools or voice their oppinions. Was it productive??? Kinda, but not not near as the one that was organized by Elk Konnect concerning the schools. And the sheriffs officers where at those meetings, too. It was for the safety of all concerned. People get pretty heated when you talk about different subjects and it was just to make the meetings safe.

I am hoping that you could see my point in why I feel the organization is good. They really do want what is best for all the communities that are involved. I don't see any hidden agendas in what they want or are doing.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 02, 2011, 10:29:11 AM
You just reminded me of something. Even here, separating by legal means is done. New Castle County runs a public riding stable, boards horses, and gives riding lessons. It is legally separate  from the county and set up so if someone sues, even after they sign a disclaimer, they can't get more than the one day's receipts. It protects everyone. I suspect the Ek situation is similar and I suspect they got legal advice on how to set it up for everyone's protection.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 11:30:35 AM

...The shits getting over my hip waders now...

In more ways than one, Steve.  Ross is correct in one regard.  Simple straight questions keep being asked.  Questions that, regardless of who's asking, are valid in light of 1) the fact we live in a free republic where government is supposed to be accountable to the people, and 2)  government officials & public monies are involved.  Potential conflicts of interest only amplify the seriousness of the subject.

Ross, however, is wrong in claiming that no answers are forthcoming.  There seems to be no shortage of 'answers' coming from the south end of this northbound horse and the horse's water bearers.  The brain end of the horse remains, for reasons yet to be determined, mute.  This horse is indeed a very capable critter, and I'm sure if it desired it could express the unvarnished truth either directly or through those who are regular riders. 

This is not unlike finding the cookie jar missing and the seeing young siblings exert all manner of energy to deny, deflect and defend each other with respect to its whereabouts when the simple truth in fact would be so much easier.



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 11:50:58 AM
...separating by legal means is done...

Yes, that 'separating', or liability insulation,  is also done to limit the personal liabilities of individuals involved in the project in the event of wrongdoing.

New Castle County runs a public riding stable, boards horses, and gives riding lessons.

Now, would it be unreasonable of citizens to 1) question if that operation is a legitimate function of government, and 2) ask to see all the particulars of the government involvement in the project?  Surely there are no issues there that would necessitate government secrecy for the purposes of protecting national security.

It protects everyone.

Except any truly injured parties.  The process only protects those running the project.  In theory, do you think 'everyone' includes all taxpayers in the event of fraud or misappropriation?


I suspect the Ek situation is similar and I suspect they got legal advice on how to set it up for everyone's protection.

I suspect they did.  And who is 'everyone'?



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 12:00:08 PM
If I'm wrong then I apologize. I didn't mean to stir the pot.

Diane, no need to apologize.  Your posts in this thread haven't stirred anything.  It's we radicalized right wing extremists with nefarious intent (sarcastic pun intended) who are seen to be stirring the pot by those who either lack the legal understanding of or will avoid answering valid questions about the relationship between government and a privately run concern. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 12:37:07 PM
Diane, no need to apologize.  Your posts in this thread haven't stirred anything.  It's we radicalized right wing extremists with nefarious intent (sarcastic pun intended) who are seen to be stirring the pot by those who either lack the legal understanding of or will avoid answering valid questions about the relationship between government and a privately run concern. 

It's not that you are stirring the pot, you are only seeing what you want to see. Yes, I see that you don't think that one person that is an elected official should be part of Elk Konnect. I get that, but I really don't think that Elk Konnect is a privately run. Yes, you pointed out that LLC means privately run. I think that is just for the title, could be wrong. I really don't know that much about the legal aspects of it. Is that what you want to know? Do you know that the county has a parks and recreation fund? If the county feels the need to use the parks and recreation fund for a donation it is legal, I've read the commissioners minutes in the paper and they have donated to numerous things in the surrounding counties.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 12:40:37 PM


...Also got to point out something about grants or schoolorships,... they are money that...the government give away...

Good lord, citizen!  Who's money is the government 'giving' away?  

...Ross, I see you have questions, and I have also seen many of your questions answered. I guess you don't see them being answered...

Factual answers to specific questions and simple oratory based on hearsay or isolated evidence are two different things, don't you think?

..I am hoping that you could see my point in why I feel the organization is good. They really do want what is best for all the communities that are involved. I don't see any hidden agendas in what they want or are doing...

Your choice to support or not support, whether based on either feelings or fact, is a unique one to which you and everyone else are fully entitled.  That's something on which I hope everyone here would surely agree.

'They really do want what is best' is a generalized observation.  One on which others may disagree.  Some may think more facts are needed in order to evaluate objectively the intents of all involved.

You may not see hidden agendas, and there may not be any.  Absent sufficient details it's hard to be sure.  After all, Bernie Madoff's clients saw no hidden agendas either... up to the point where they lost over 50  billion dollars of their money.


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 12:58:10 PM
It's not that you are stirring the pot, you are only seeing what you want to see. Yes, I see that you don't think that one person that is an elected official should be part of Elk Konnect. I get that, but I really don't think that Elk Konnect is a privately run. Yes, you pointed out that LLC means privately run. I think that is just for the title, could be wrong. I really don't know that much about the legal aspects of it. Is that what you want to know? Do you know that the county has a parks and recreation fund? If the county feels the need to use the parks and recreation fund for a donation it is legal, I've read the commissioners minutes in the paper and they have donated to numerous things in the surrounding counties.

Lookatmeknow!!, I'm concerned that you are a bit naive in detailed matters of business and law.  I have no doubt that you are sincere and mean well, but the technical complexities of this issue are critical.  Please remember that America was designed and should operate on the basis of laws and not the feelings or beliefs of any one individual or any group.  Not that feelings and beliefs are unimportant, but following the legal aspects is what provides equity for everyone in the end.  At this point, we don't have enough facts to determine the lawful condition of all the matters in this thread.  Hence the attempts to get all the facts.  The devil, as it's said, is usually in the details.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 01:05:20 PM
What I am understanding about this is that EK is not a government entity and is not supported by tax money.  It's membership is open to anyone who wishes to be a member.  If an elected official wishes to be a member of a community group, such as the Chamber of Commerce, the PTA, Boy Scouts, what's the beef?  If, in the course of a meeting of one of these groups that the elected official also belongs to, that group needs some money and decides to ask the county for it, what's the beef?  Just recently the summer baseball program at Longton asked the county for some money.  They got it.  Probably the summer baseball program in Howard has or will be doing the same thing.  I cannot see where being an elected official precludes that person from being a member of all the other organizations in the county if they want to be.  If that official happens to be on the board that is being asked for money, that official has the right to vote yea or nay.  They don't have to vote yea just because they belong to the organization.

I do not see a conflict of interest in one of our commissioners being a member of EK also and being an active member.  If it weren't for active members, nothing would get done.  

Just to refresh my memroy, what do you think the facts are?

Yes, the government gives away tax money.  Have you not heard of Pell grants--loans for college, many of which never get paid back?

What does Bernie Madoff's scam have to do with this topic?  He knew exactly what he was doing.  He wasn't trying to help anyone but himself.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 01:43:39 PM
If that official happens to be on the board that is being asked for money, that official has the right to vote yea or nay.  They don't have to vote yea just because they belong to the organization.

To avoid conflict legally they would be required to recuse themselves from any such vote.

I do not see a conflict of interest in one of our commissioners being a member of EK also and being an active member.

And, I don't think there would be any conflict if the official were to avoid any use of official position to advance the agenda of EK in any way, recused themselves from any vote involving the private group and received no improper personal gain from acts or votes that the official made on any issue coming before the board .


Just to refresh my memroy, what do you think the facts are?

<sigh>  Your question highlights the entire issue here.  The lack of facts and transparency regarding the true internal structure and workings of the LLC obscure the ability to make a reasonable determination regarding potential conflicts.  At its' core, the LLC, absent discovery in a lawsuit, is insulated from public view.  Since they are so closely entangled with government in some areas, the lack of those details makes a fair judgment regarding conflict rather difficult.  Though the desires of citizens wanting to fully understand the relationships between the two entities is more than fair under our system of government.  What I may think, or even feel, is irrelevant at this point. What the true facts turn out to be is the important thing.


Yes, the government gives away tax money.  Have you not heard of Pell grants--loans for college, many of which never get paid back?

And since that money is taken from taxpayers under penalty of imprisonment, doesn't the use of and potential squandering of that money concern you?


What does Bernie Madoff's scam have to do with this topic?  He knew exactly what he was doing.  He wasn't trying to help anyone but himself.

It was relevant in the context in which it was used.  That was as an example that hidden agendas are important because those agendas can cause unsuspecting (and/or blindly trusting) people to be greatly harmed.  Those with hidden agendas usually know exactly what they are doing, that's why the agendas are hidden in the first place.  They want to operate with impunity, and they don't really care who ultimately gets hurt as long as they and theirs get their goodies.  That can apply to Madoff or even the local dog catcher.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 02:35:26 PM
I want you to know, I really don't like government in general. They are involved at every level of our lives though. That is something we all have to get used to. We may not like it, we have the right to voice our opinions on it, and others can voice their opinions on it. As for scholorships and grants, not all of them are from the government. When I graduated high school, I received scholorships from different organizations. These different organizations have the right to say how the money is spent and what the requirements are. I know that other individuals are members of the city council and have businesses. They have just not voted on the different things that pertain to their business. I have read that in the paper. How do we know that the commissioners are using Ek for the benefit of themselves or using the government? Yes, they were on the counties web page. Now they are not. Point taken care of in my eyes.

Have you personally called these individuals and ask these questions? Ross says that is what a forum is for. I beg the differ. I think that if you really want the facts call that person and get them. I sure would feel better if someone wants to know something from me or about my business that they call me, and not go behind my back and say things that they heard. Same is with this issue. Is that wrong to do that?? I don't think they would mind, I am not 100% sure on that, but I do know that I have called school board members or teachers at home about issues and they would rather me get the facts from them. Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 02:37:53 PM
Just what do you think the hidden agenda is here?

If all the elected officials belonged to the PTA, etc., how would they be able to vote on anything.  I see no conflict of interest.  What I do see is a county commissioner who is trying to make Elk County a better place to be.

By the way, do you live in Elk County?  If so, how long?  If you have recently moved here and bought property, why did you choose Elk County?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 03:11:59 PM
Just what do you think the hidden agenda is here?

If all the elected officials belonged to the PTA, etc., how would they be able to vote on anything.  I see no conflict of interest.  What I do see is a county commissioner who is trying to make Elk County a better place to be.

By the way, do you live in Elk County?  If so, how long?  If you have recently moved here and bought property, why did you choose Elk County?

Again, what I or anyone thinks isn't the issue.  What the facts are is the issue.  What may or may not be an agenda of any official can't be reasonably determined without all the facts regarding activities, relationships, etc.

What you may see, from your vantage point, may or may not help the fair determination of a legal conflict of interest.  Do you have information about the inner workings of EK, LLC or any unpublished negotiations or interactions between EK and the government or either of those and other entities (ie the Tradewinds folks, Public Square, the State of Kansas)?  If you have those details, it would sure be helpful.

Yes, I live in Elk County, which makes me a citizen in the venue under consideration in this thread.  One day or 90 years, what does that have to do with anything here?  Are you wanting to attend our next family gathering?  When I came here, recently or otherwise, has nothing to do with why I came here.  Whether I bought, rent or lease is also irrelevant.  I will say, however, that I selected Elk for a number of reasons, among which is its' geographic location, natural beauty, abundant wildlife and unique agricultural possibilities.  To be honest, there were some things that opposed my decision.  Those included the  high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates.  The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 02, 2011, 06:37:43 PM
Yes, I live in Elk County, which makes me a citizen in the venue under consideration in this thread.  One day or 90 years, what does that have to do with anything here?  Are you wanting to attend our next family gathering?  When I came here, recently or otherwise, has nothing to do with why I came here.  Whether I bought, rent or lease is also irrelevant.  I will say, however, that I selected Elk for a number of reasons, among which is its' geographic location, natural beauty, abundant wildlife and unique agricultural possibilities.  To be honest, there were some things that opposed my decision.  Those included the  high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates.  The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.
Ok, so you went born and raised here. I don't think that matters. Your right you have a right to know these things as do we all. But not sure if you are joking about the reasons that you opposed the area or not. If you are not, that right there makes you an outsider to me. I personally like new people coming into the area. I don't have a problem with that at all, it's the comments like this:    there were some things that opposed my decision.  Those included the  high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates.  The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.

That's just RUDE!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 02, 2011, 07:28:19 PM
You decided to make your home in Elk County in spite of all the things that are wrong with it?  Live with it.  Trying to tear it down isn't going to make it anymore to your liking.  I'm not kidding that everytime some group has tried to introduce something new to the county it has been shot down just like some people are trying to do now.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 07:58:05 PM
You decided to make your home in Elk County in spite of all the things that are wrong with it?  Live with it.  Trying to tear it down isn't going to make it anymore to your liking.  I'm not kidding that everytime some group has tried to introduce something new to the county it has been shot down just like some people are trying to do now.

Choosing to live here in spite of its' flaws is complimentary.  I do stay in spite of the negatives.  Just like some men stay with nagging wives, in spite of their nagging or some women stay with men who fart in church, in spite of their bad habit.  I won't, however,  bury my head in the sand and pretend the negatives don't exist.  To do so would be disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.  Pointing out those flaws is not an attempt to 'tear it down'.  If you have cancer and ignore it 2 things are true... First, it won't likely get better let alone treated.  Second, ignoring it doesn't mean it isn't real.  Maybe now it's time to become a bit more honest about some of the realities here. As for what others may or may not have done in the past or what their intent may have been is something of which I have no knowledge.  That was then and 'they' were 'they'.  Finally, nothing you've said changes the theme of this thread or the lack of transparency suggested one iota.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 02, 2011, 08:20:36 PM
...But not sure if you are joking about the reasons that you opposed the area or not. If you are not, that right there makes you an outsider to me. I personally like new people coming into the area. I don't have a problem with that at all, it's the comments like this:    there were some things that opposed my decision.  Those included the  high content surface rock. the lousy county roads, a lack of infrastructure, the standoffish nature of its' residents to anyone perceived as a 'newbie' or outsider, the tendency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates.  The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.

That's just RUDE!!

I never said I opposed the area, I said there were things that were negatives.  As for you considering someone who is honest about the negatives an outsider,  that says a lot about you I suppose.  Every observation I made is either a matter of documented fact (dwindling population per the census, high property crime rate per KBI & FBI reports & records, rocks are something hard to hide, etc.) or they are observations I've made (people peering around street corners to check out license plates or gossiping about their fellow county residents in P&J's, Poplar Pizza, or the isles at Batson's).  As for those uncomplimentary observations, they are reinforced both by friends and family who have come to visit and admission of some locals.  If you think I'm saying all residents are like this, you are mistaken, but when it's frequently seen by others, it reinforces a negative view outsiders may have.... and it may be one reason they don't 'stay and grow with us'.  Now, if you are going to dislike me, at least you'll dislike me for being honest.  Better that than having you like me because I lie and parrot only warm fuzzies that others want to hear.  I was asked a question about my opinion.  I answered it.  Rude, no.  Honest, yes.

Now, about things folks want to do to improve Elk County....

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 02, 2011, 09:05:09 PM
dency of some of its' residents to be gossip mongers regarding the private affairs of other residents (especially when overheard in public places) and the ridiculous tax rates.  The lack of community growth, the dwindling population, the absence of a fancy new school buildings, or an imported tile roof on the courthouse or the high property crime rates reported annually to the FBI were of concern, but they were something I believed I could live with.

That's just RUDE!!
THats not rude, its honest.  It is the same impression i got when i first moved here.   The thing about it is that i moved here for my own reasons not to satisfy others curiosity or to meet others approval.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 02, 2011, 09:48:16 PM
The main things of interest to me is who owns Elk Konnected LLC? Why is it secreative? Why does Elk Konneccted LLC continue to deny using our tax dollars to provide the little things they do for the community? Why does Elk Konnected pretend to represent the whole county in their actions with our elected officials?

I understand they have their goals I just copied and pasted them right here.
The link  http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm

Community Goals

Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons

By what authority do they have to Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community.
I know that the company Public Square Communities LLC tells Elk Konnected LLC to take control --- just what does that mean?
Where are Elk Konnected LLC community bounderies --- or are they taking control over the whole county?
Elk Konnected LLC told the school board they would be state wide accredited? That's not true, they recieve their acredation by paying Public Squares Community LLC with our tax dollars to be accredited by this little company with 15 or 16 customers and are accredited by no one else. Nothing state wide about that. they are just using our tax dollars to join Mr.What's His Names private little club . It's juat that the dues are rather steep in my opinion. But Mr. Whats His Name needs to make a good living so keep paying him every two years with our tax dollars there is lot's of it.

Again, I copied and pasted it here. The link is http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/mission.htm#Community Conversation

What is Accreditation?

Any county or city can become accredited as a “Public Square Community.” Begun in 2007, this new standard-setting process enables high performing communities to market themselves to potential residents, businesses, investors and visitors.

Accreditation requires that four sectors – business, education, human service and government – share leadership and funding for managing their development efforts. These four sectors comprise the “Public Square.” To be eligible to apply for accreditation, a community must have a two-year track record of involving citizens in creating and implementing their community’s vision. They must renew their vision and goals every two years, have at least three citizen teams implementing goals at all times, hold an annual regional conversation with a neighboring community, provide leadership for the annual Communities Conference and pay an annual fee of $1,500 to $4,000 depending on population. The fee must come from at least three of the four public square sectors.
Accreditation is granted by a 4-person peer review team from other communities and regional partners.
Accreditation ( every 2 years )
 sustain the process (engaged community, up-to-date goals & action teams, regional conversation), share leadership of the annual Communities Conference, apply for “Public Square Community” accreditation and pay fee, be reviewed by a team of peers and funding partners, contribute reviewers for other accreditation applicants.

i suppose to some these are not important questions perhaps they think they are getting something for free from the company Elk Konnected LLC. But I have tried to show the facts. You may be a committee person or a volunteer and I am happy that you have your new position but you are not part of the company Elk Konnected LLC you are only being used by the company Elk KOnnected LLC And you don't even know who owns the company Elk Konnected LLC because it is a secret. Now there in not a thing I have written here that is twisted. It is very clear thinking.

We have a right in my opinion to know who this secreative person is that is licensed as Elk Konnected LLC and keeps asking for our tax dollars. This is major flaw with Elk Konnected LLC. The party they are paying with our tax dollars at least has the decency to give his name --- Mr. Terry Woodbury --- and he is real happy to take our tax dollars. Give some thought to that.  

Mr. Woodbury has his own names for our medical professionals and churches and business and school. He calls them the Public Square that makes it sound like everything is owned by the public. I find that really strange or more of a way of trying to control as mentioned above. This information is not secreative click on the links above and then read all the other pages listed on Public Square Communities LLC web site. Or don't.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 02, 2011, 09:54:22 PM


Youth Development - Establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community
Physical Image - Create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image
Community Wellness - Create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community
Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons

By what authority do they have to Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community.

LOL yeah it is interesting isn't it.  Enforcement denotes usage of law enforcement to enforce these " standards".  IT would have to be Law Enforcement with a WARRANT in order to be enforcible.  Anything else would be subject to being shot.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 03, 2011, 08:18:20 AM
Patriot, I can see where people would find offense to the whispers and whatever. I am not upset about your honesty at all. I for one don't let the idea that someone is talking about me bother me, anymore. I am so used to it, I look at it this way. If they are talking about me, they are leaving someone else alone. I guess that comes from leaving around here all my life, things like that just don't bother me.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 03, 2011, 11:07:15 AM
Patriot, I can see where people would find offense to the whispers and whatever. I am not upset about your honesty at all. I for one don't let the idea that someone is talking about me bother me, anymore. I am so used to it, I look at it this way. If they are talking about me, they are leaving someone else alone. I guess that comes from leaving around here all my life, things like that just don't bother me.

Thank you.  It bothers me that I've been told by at least 2 people who were considering moving to Elk that they would not, specifically because they were made to feel like unwelcome outsiders by some of our residents.  Maybe what we need, in addition to roads and businesses, is a more welcoming attitude to visitors, no?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mtcookson on May 03, 2011, 12:25:45 PM
Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community

LOL yeah it is interesting isn't it.  Enforcement denotes usage of law enforcement to enforce these " standards".  IT would have to be Law Enforcement with a WARRANT in order to be enforcible.  Anything else would be subject to being shot.

That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.

If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 03, 2011, 02:31:37 PM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.

If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(

mtcookson welcome to the conversation. Perhaps in the near future you can share more with us on your subject.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on May 03, 2011, 02:47:22 PM
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk.  Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs.  They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 03, 2011, 02:55:25 PM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.

If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(

Oh i hear you!   Never have let anyone tell me what i can and can't do with my own property. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 03, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk.  Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs.  They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.

Think folks need to worry bout their own property instead of someone elses.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jprxmkt on May 03, 2011, 03:36:21 PM
Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations and being intertwined with the government, both of which a absolutely not true.  You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason.  Why are the names so important anyway?

One committee member did go to the county commissioners as someone previously mentioned to see if there was a small amount of money available for a youth event.  It wasn't for EK's personal gain.  It was an activity for children of the whole county. What other tax payer money are you concerned that they have "wasted"?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 03, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations and being intertwined with the government, both of which a absolutely not true.  You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason.  Why are the names so important anyway?

One committee member did go to the county commissioners as someone previously mentioned to see if there was a small amount of money available for a youth event.  It wasn't for EK's personal gain.  It was an activity for children of the whole county. What other tax payer money are you concerned that they have "wasted"?

"Several on this thread have basically accused EK of tax misappropriations"  WHO did that?
"being intertwined with the government" That is true Elk Konnected LLC is represented by a County Commissioneand "You are probably not going to get any names on this forum because of that reason."
That's not the reason, what is it they have to hide.
EK LLC sent someone to get money and they were called EK Youth services. And yes EK LLC takes credit  for using our tax dollars to accomplish what ever task they do and wants praise for what they do with our tax money..
WE pay for those activities with tax dollars.
 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 03, 2011, 05:11:27 PM
I don't see why names are important either. I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross. They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question. What I am getting from you is that you can only be involved with ONE group and ONE group only. That means that we have many people that are crossing the lines. I know people that VOLUNTEER their time, ENERGY, and WHATEVER is needed to help improve the COUNTY. Just got to ask, what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people. I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!! I was taught if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. I had better just not read any more of you all's post, I might just not be able to keep my mouth shut!! It's your opinion that you feel that they have misused money, when time and time again people have stated that they haven't. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 03, 2011, 09:18:00 PM
I don't see why names are important either. I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross. They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question. What I am getting from you is that you can only be involved with ONE group and ONE group only. That means that we have many people that are crossing the lines. I know people that VOLUNTEER their time, ENERGY, and WHATEVER is needed to help improve the COUNTY. Just got to ask, what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people. I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!! I was taught if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. I had better just not read any more of you all's post, I might just not be able to keep my mouth shut!! It's your opinion that you feel that they have misused money, when time and time again people have stated that they haven't. WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!


You say, "I don't see why names are important either." Why is it important that you have a name? What difference does it make what the governor's name is? What difference does it make what the President's name is? What is there to hide from? I'd like to know who Elk Konnected LLC is as long as they are asking for my tax money. And our county commissioners and all of Elk County citizens have a right to know who is asking for their tas dollars. Perhaps it is of no interest to you and that is okay. Or perhaps you ar part of the business Elk Konnected LLC and trying to cover for them with this nonsense that names are unimportant.

You say, "I can't and don't see any tax payers money used on these things that you claim, Ross." Perhaps you don't understand and should go back and re-read this thread or again you are part of the company Elk Konnected LLC trying to throw up a smoke screen.

You say, "what have you done BUT COMPLAIN, GRIP, AND QUESTIOON the intent of these people."  No I haven't done any of these things. these are false accusations. I have simply asked reasonable questions.

You said, "I am really sick of this issue, and a thread was started to give Elk Konnect a BIG thanks, and what do you all do, you go on it and bash it again!!" I you are really sick of this thread, it's your choice not to return and avoid being sick. I haven't bashed Elk Konnected LLC. but Elk Konnected has bashed one of our communities and still hasn't removed the bashing. Elk Konnected LLC appears to do a pretty good job of giving them selves a BIG thank you to themselves.

You said, "They just answered 2 questions for you, yet you keep asking the very same question." Please, what two questions did they answer? Please, show me the answers?

I sure hope you get over being sick.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 03, 2011, 09:23:12 PM
That explains the guy (who isn't an actual law enforcement officer though) that has been going around, violating the 4th, sending out notices to certain people, violating another part of the constitution that I won't mention publicly yet. That's why I spent some money on those signs. I really need to get those up soon though.

If EK had any part of getting the city to send this new guy around handing out notices, they definitely do not have any support from me whatsoever. >:(

You might check your city council and see if someone from Elk Konnected is on it.
I think if the city were really interested in cleaning up their appearance they would be interested in taking down the abandoned school building because it is an eye sore and a major saftey hazard.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 03, 2011, 09:47:25 PM
You might do a search and read all the posts concerning the old school house.  Then you will better understand the situation.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 03, 2011, 10:54:09 PM
Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything.  That is the right of the owner. 
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 04, 2011, 05:28:59 AM
Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything.  That is the right of the owner. 
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up

Okay, but I thought mtcookson was talking about private property. I guess I misunderstood. Thank you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 04, 2011, 05:30:09 AM
You might do a search and read all the posts concerning the old school house.  Then you will better understand the situation.
Thank you Wilma.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mtcookson on May 04, 2011, 11:02:47 AM
I just called the city office and talked to the clerk.  Elk Konnected had NOTHING to do with the city hiring the person to leave the signs.  They had a person hired in the past and decided that they needed to hire someone because the citizens of the city were complaining about the properties being messy.

Awesome, good to know. Thanks!

Ross the school is private property and is not subject to the city doing anything.  That is the right of the owner. 
They did talk about condemning the mans property and even about sending the man the bill for clean up

Its actually owned by a corporation, trust, or something along those lines. A person doesn't own it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 04, 2011, 02:36:08 PM
To the person that e-mailed me directly. I have never intended to be belittling or abusive on this forum. I don't operate behind closed doors. The number of years in school or the number of degrees a person holds or how smart they think they are does not provide all the answers. I have associated with people who are members of Mensa and some couldn't tie their own shoes while others were brilliant. I myself am not papered, but I have a lifetime of experience and I do listen to other people with more experience than my self. I also like to believe that I can stand constructive criticism and accept it generously. I also try my best to verify what I am talking about. I also try to be as honest as possible.

I guess since I am not papered I make mistakes, oh yea - I'm human -- and have made a lot of mistakes in my lifetime so far and will probably make more and hope to learn from them. So you see I wasn't  judging you only replying to your responses. I sincerely apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Yes, we can agree to disagree. I have a friend on one of the committees but I am not about to lose a friend over it.

What I was saying on this link is that Elk Konnected, LLC is a privately owned company. That is what LLC means, limited liability company. The reason Elk Konnected LLC is required to be licensed is to have a non-profit status in order to avoid paying taxes. Who ever the locals are that own it have names on the business license. I am almost sure that it would unlawful to fabricate names to represent no-one to the Kansas State Department of Commerce and the IRS. You could if you wanted, verify that with the Kansas Dept of Commerce and the IRS if you doubt what I am telling you. I and others have even posted information form the Kansas department of Commerce on this link. Why do they insist on saying they don't use our tax money?

You may be a member of one of their committees, a volunteer. You may attend one or more of their community conversations but that does not make you a member of the company and only means you are doing their bidding. Their main bidding is the strength they acquire by having more people think they are part of Elk Konnected LLC and do their volunteer work.

Don't you think you should know who you are working for as a volunteer?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2011, 08:12:44 AM
I was listening to the radio this morning while taking my son to the school bus. We like to listen to these dj's, make phone calls to people and ask dumb questions. And most times the answers are really funny.

This morning the question was, "You know the car the Jaguar, they have an animal junping off the hood, could you tell me what that animal is?

One person said, " I'm busy can you call me back later and I'll answer all your questions."

Another said," A lion".

And yet ansother person said, "A tiger."

One person said honestly, "I don't know."

At the time it was sort of funny.

For some reason, I just don't find that all that funny now.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2011, 08:21:03 AM
This I find amazing.

Civics lesson: 'We have a crisis on our hands'
Article by: SAM DILLON , New York Times
Updated: May 4, 2011 - 10:39 PM

Knowledge about the Bill of Rights, Congress and how the branches of government work stumped many students tested nationwide. Summary.

Fewer than half of U.S. eighth-graders knew the purpose of the Bill of Rights on the most recent national civics examination, and only one in 10 demonstrated acceptable knowledge of the checks and balances among the legislative, executive and judicial branches, according to test results released on Wednesday.
 
At the same time, three-quarters of high school seniors who took the test, the National Assessment of Educational Progress, were unable to demonstrate civic skills like identifying the effect of United States foreign policy on other nations or naming a power granted to Congress by the Constitution.
 
27,000 students tested
 
"Today's NAEP results confirm that we have a crisis on our hands when it comes to civics education," said former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, who last year founded icivics.org, a nonprofit group that teaches students civics through Web-based games and other tools.
 
The Department of Education administered the tests, known as the nation's report card, to 27,000 fourth-, eighth- and 12th-grade students last year. Questions cover themes including how government is financed, what rights are protected by the Constitution and how laws are passed.
 
Average fourth-grade scores on the test's 300-point scale rose slightly since the exam was last administered, in 2006, to 157 from 154. Average eighth-grade scores were virtually unchanged at 151. The scores of high school seniors -- students who are either eligible to vote or about to be -- dropped to 148 from 151. Those scores mean that about a quarter of 4th- and 12th-grade students, and about one-fifth of eighth-graders ranked at the proficient or advanced levels.
 
"The results confirm an alarming and continuing trend that civics in America is in decline," said Charles Quigley, executive director of the Center for Civic Education, a nonprofit based in California. "During the past decade or so, educational policy and practice appear to have focused more and more upon developing the worker at the expense of developing the citizen."
 
One bright spot in the results was that Hispanic students, who make up a growing proportion of the nation's population and student body, narrowed the gap between their scores and those of non-Hispanic white students. On average, Hispanic eighth-graders scored 137 and non-Hispanic whites 160. That 23-point gap was down from 29 points in 2006. Among high school seniors, the gap narrowed to 19 points from 24 in 2006.
 
The black-white achievement gap, which is about 25 points at the fourth- and eighth-grade levels and 29 points among seniors, did not change significantly.
 
At the bottom
 
The results showed that a smaller proportion of fourth- and eighth-graders demonstrated proficiency in civics than in any other subject the federal government has tested since 2005, except history, U.S. students' worst subject.
 
"We face difficult challenges at home and abroad," O'Connor said. "Meanwhile divisive rhetoric and a culture of sound bites threaten to drown out rational dialogue and debate.   We cannot afford to continue to neglect the preparation of future generations for active and informed citizenship."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 05, 2011, 09:11:24 AM

If the the schools were teaching the right civics, we'd have less central gov't.

Schools ought to be turning out thousands of States Righters each year.
Instead, they're teaching them the ways of socialism and big government more than ever.

Ross you're doing a fine job.  It's good to see somebody on the ball.  Stay right in there. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 05, 2011, 09:19:22 AM
Don't like politics, never have and never will!! It's just to much of who you are. I am really not sure what the teach about government. I guess that will be another thing I will have to do research on. They have state standards that the state is to teach so I will have to check that out.

I have to put a boost out. I am a 4-H leader and this year our younger kids did gavel games. That is where they have to learn about running a meeting, and all the procedures that are involved with meetings. The kids learned alot!! Probably can run a meeting that would make some people go WOW!! I didn't know that is how a meeting is ran. It is amazing the stuff that I learned, too!! Ok, just putting a good thing about 4-H in there, had to!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 09:35:08 AM
This may be a bit off topic, but I do agree that civics and geography too, should be more important in school curriculum. I don't worry too much about the third and fourth graders who are just really being introduced to the idea of gov't and are still learning to read. But eighth graders and high school students should have more and with all the computer programs ,films  and independent learning possibilities it could and should be made very interesting for any level. I know some areas seem now to be worried more about their kids taking just those things that will help them get a job. But I think that's very short sighted.
  Red, public schools are charged with teaching the children of all parents, Democrats, Republicans, Independent, far right, far left, you name it.The public schools can't just turn out thousands of states righters. As far as teaching them the ways of socialism and big gov't, yes, kids are taught what it is, just as they are taught what communism and capitalism is and how it works. They are not taught that socialism is a better choice from what we have now. The taxes of ALL people pay for kid's public educations, not just the taxes from the far right or the conservatives. Your statement is incorrect, IMHO!
 Pam, great plug for 4-H!  Good for you.That is where I too learned about Parliamentary Procedure and Roberts' Rules many. many years ago.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 05, 2011, 10:01:17 AM

Diane, it's most likely never going to change in the public schools.  Your kind dominate the public schools.  There's no improving the public schools.  Public schools ought to be abolished.     

Our country is headed towards a "better" socialism and one world government which "so-called" conservatives seem to favor over the principles of our States and the U. S. Constitution of our founding fathers.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 10:23:37 AM
MY KIND???  :o :o :o Them's fightin' words twerp! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 05, 2011, 10:42:20 AM

It fits.  I thought you'd like that. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 05, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
I don't think that is right, teachers teach what they are to teach at each of their level. There are standards and objectives that each child is to be introduced to at each level. I don't know very many teachers who pressure their child to believe one way or the other when it comes to government. You present the facts!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 05, 2011, 11:05:04 AM
I don't think that is right, teachers teach what they are to teach at each of their level. There are standards and objectives that each child is to be introduced to at each level. I don't know very many teachers who pressure their child to believe one way or the other when it comes to government. You present the facts!

And the facts being taught are presented in a cirruculum set up by whom?  Oh yeah.... Government.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
You are free to send your kids somewhere else, or keep them at home. I keep telling you folks to start a charter school that suits your particular needs and teaching requirements but I never hear anything but complaints. You do have choices.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 05, 2011, 12:22:15 PM
You are free to send your kids somewhere else, or keep them at home. I keep telling you folks to start a charter school that suits your particular needs and teaching requirements but I never hear anything but complaints. You do have choices.

Diane, you obviously have a mis-understanding about Elk County politics, local economics and Kansas charter school law.  Here's some info that might help in at least one of those areas.


Charter School Law
Evaluating Charter School Laws

The National Alliance for Public Charter Schools has evaluated the charter school laws of various states. It ranks Kansas 36 out of 40 states that have a law. Here’s a summary of the evaluation:

    Kansas’s charter law was passed in 1994. In 2009-10, there are 34 charter schools serving approximately4,902 students. Kansas law only provides one authorizing option for charter applications. First, the local school board must approve it. Second, the state board of education must approve it.

    While Kansas’s law is cap-free and is open to new start-ups, public school conversions, and virtual schools, it needs improvement across the board. Potential starting points include expanding authorizing options, ensuring authorizer accountability, providing adequate authorizer funding, beefing up the law in relation to the model law’s four “quality control” components, increasing operational autonomy, and ensuring equitable operational funding and equitable access to capital funding and facilities.

While any index is interesting, the most useful part is looking at the particulars of the index: What was included? What weightings did the authors use? The Alliance looks at a state’s charter school law from 20 different perspectives, including what the law has to say about the authorizing process, school autonomy, and the role of charter school authorizers or sponsors. The top ten states (DC is counted as a state for this ranking) are Minnesota, the District of Columbia, California, Georgia, Colorado,  Massachusetts, Utah, New York, Louisiana, and Arizona.
Kansas Law

Under Kansas law, teachers, parents or anyone else seeking authority to operate a charter school must submit a petition to the local school board. If the board approves the petition, it goes to the state board of education. In effect, then, charter schools in Kansas are not truly independent; instead, they are yet another school within a school district. This is a far cry from the autonomy that charter schools have in states such as Arizona and Minnesota.


Full article with statutory info:  http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/charter-schools/charter-school-law/ (http://kansaseducation.wordpress.com/charter-schools/charter-school-law/)

Get local school board approval?  Uh huh.

Perhaps others can enlighten you on area school board politica and economics.



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 05, 2011, 12:53:58 PM
uh Diane...that wasnt me :D although I think 4-h is one of the finer things for kids to be involved in .......although I'm sure to SOME people it's probly double top secret government brain-washin instigated by the "liberal lefties" and has some kind of UNholy agenda attached to it :P
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 05, 2011, 12:56:22 PM
in fact I bet EKonnected is REALLY behind it...........OMG
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on May 05, 2011, 12:59:04 PM

that's so funny, thatsMRSc2u ( I think I got that right!)!!!  Way to go!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 05, 2011, 01:10:58 PM
LOL! I'll sign out now and go about my business so they can feel free to blast me :) I notice they ALWAYS wait..............
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 01:58:57 PM
Sorry Pam, I think that was Angie now that you mention it, but I know you would approve too.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2011, 02:21:47 PM
Don't like politics, never have and never will!! It's just to much of who you are. I am really not sure what the teach about government. I guess that will be another thing I will have to do research on. They have state standards that the state is to teach so I will have to check that out.

I have to put a boost out. I am a 4-H leader and this year our younger kids did gavel games. That is where they have to learn about running a meeting, and all the procedures that are involved with meetings. The kids learned alot!! Probably can run a meeting that would make some people go WOW!! I didn't know that is how a meeting is ran. It is amazing the stuff that I learned, too!! Ok, just putting a good thing about 4-H in there, had to!!

Good boost for 4-H, that's a great organization, just like the Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts and so many other organizations.Lots of fun learning.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 05, 2011, 02:52:00 PM
Red, you couldn't be more wrong about me and "my kind." I thought you knew by now that I am a huge believer in charter schools.  NCS started out in a passel of portables while money was raised to build the permanent buildings. My company acted as owners rep. when we built Newark Charter Middle, which came first, and the elementary school which came second. You are most welcome to look us up. Google Newark Charter Delaware and learn all about the school and the "Core Curriculum" that is taught there. We did indeed have to jump over all the school board hurdles to get permission to form the charter school. There were a lot of backers then, including foundation grants, and if we build it overnight we could fill another school instantly tomorrow. ( By lottery.) The school was asked by the state to take over the Christiana High School, which is failing, but the politics got so thick the idea was turned down by the Newark Charter's school board. Yes the school is considered a public school, but it is run as a private school and can move money around in it's budget line independently and can build its buildings to our own standards rather than state standards.That saved us a ton of money as we were able to build ordinary construction, not the typical glazed tile block that many schools are built from. Parents are begging us to build a high school but I'm not sure we want to stretch that far. That remains to be seen. I'm sorry Kansas seems to be a stumbling block for you. For us it was and still is is a very exciting project.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 05, 2011, 05:57:20 PM
"We face difficult challenges at home and abroad," O'Connor said. "Meanwhile divisive rhetoric and a culture of sound bites threaten to drown out rational dialogue and debate.   We cannot afford to continue to neglect the preparation of future generations for active and informed citizenship."

I thought this fell right in with our conversation and might explain why people ask questions and why others fail to and hide behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 13, 2011, 09:55:59 PM
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Warph on May 14, 2011, 01:56:52 AM
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?


No.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 14, 2011, 07:44:27 AM
Have you done a search for them? ECCEF
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 14, 2011, 08:10:35 AM
Can anyoone tell me anything about the "Elk County Community and Education Foundation "?

Well, one of their missions of 'community & education' involved a clock for the county courthouse....

...An 85 foot bucket truck was rented from United Rentals in Wichita to give us access to the clock tower from the outside. David Seay, master clockmaker from Manhattan, and his assistant moved the supplies, material and themselves up to the tower via the bucket truck. David Seay was assisted by Patrick Perkins, from PEP Electric, as well as Bob Black, John Black and John Cooke.

The glass for the clock faces came in several pie shaped pieces to allow ease of transport and installation. The numbers and frame are wrought iron. Currently the clock chimes on the hour from 8 am to 10 pm and is silent through the night. We have several chime and melody options to explore in the future.

Many thanks to all who donated to the lovely clock. Donations can still be sent to the Elk County Community and Education Foundation at PO Box 956, Howard, KS 67349.


Full story:  http://kansasflinthills.travel/articles/Clocktower (http://kansasflinthills.travel/articles/Clocktower)

And was once led by our own Charles Durbin who subsequently decided to make his home somewhere other than Elk County. (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Charles/Durbin (http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Charles/Durbin))

Title
    Former Director of Economic Development - Elk County, Kansas
Demographic info
    Fayetteville, Arkansas Area | Nonprofit Organization Management

Past:
    Department Manager at Lowe's Home Improvement, Director of Economic Development at Elk County, Kansas, President and Board Member at Elk County Community and Educational Foundation, Board Member and District Loan Committee Member at South Central Kansas Economic Development District, Board Member at See-Kan Resource Conservation and Development (See-Kan RC&D), (Founding) Board Member, Executive Council Member at Q.U.A.D. Enterprise Facilitation, (Founding) Board Member, Treasurer, and Director of Communications at Elk River Public Wholesale Water Supply District (PWWSD No. 24), Formation Task Force Member, Secretary/Treasurer, and Facilitator at Elk County Rural Water District No. 02, Council Member at Elk County Extension Council, Feed Production and Sales at Mills Feed and Supply, Key Carrier and Department Manager at Atwoods Farm and Home
Education:
    Kansas State University
Summary:
    OBJECTIVE: The opportunity to utilize my diverse understanding of community and economic development, not-for-profit management, grant writing, communications, marketing, and governmental relations. SUMMARY: I have over ten years experience in community and economic development, including three as a county director of economic development. I have enhanced my knowledge of community and economic development, and my skills and abilities in marketing, public relations, and management through collegiate education, professional development activities, and civic leadership positions held.


I'm amazed that with all the vast experience and frenetic efforts brought to bear by so many in this county (past & present), we're still one of the poorest counties in Kansas, with a shrinking population and little prospect for growth.   Real growth is so evasive.  Maybe we should admit that what has been and is being done has had little effect in accomplishing the stated goal of 'developing the community.'   Unless development really means cosmetic facelifts.  Maybe we need another grant.  Though the clock chimes are nice and give a real homey feel to Howard.   :-\
 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 08:30:08 AM
Have you done a search for them? ECCEF

I'll try that, ECCEF thank you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on May 14, 2011, 08:37:44 AM
I love hearing the clock chime when I go to Howard. As of next weekend the population will go up 1.  Not much I know but hope to be a help in some way.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 14, 2011, 09:27:19 AM

We've seen stuff like this before.......   Patriot, you're hitting the nail right on the head.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 14, 2011, 11:15:03 AM
Patriot:  What is your purpose in posting Charlie Durbin's resume?  Are you trying to show Elk County what they lost when he decided to locate elsewhere?  Or are you telling Elk County that no matter what they do or who they employ, they are not going to succeed in anything they try?  Are you or are you not an Elk County booster?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 14, 2011, 02:53:32 PM
Red, what "stuff" and what nail? Another black cloud? I thought the clock was a great idea. Do you know just as there are people who travel to take photos of water towers and light houses there are people who take photos of interesting public clocks? If they had a place to stay ya might catch ( or have already caught) a tourist or two.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 14, 2011, 05:10:27 PM
Patriot:  What is your purpose in posting Charlie Durbin's resume?  Are you trying to show Elk County what they lost when he decided to locate elsewhere?  Or are you telling Elk County that no matter what they do or who they employ, they are not going to succeed in anything they try?  Are you or are you not an Elk County booster?

If you were following the context Wilma, you would have deduced that Mr. Durbin was 1) Associated with the foundation about which Ross inquired, and 2)  Perhaps I'm pointing out that resume fluff doesn't necessarily produce comparable results.  As to his relocation, it should be noted that Mr. Durbin also served as the county economic development coordinator for several years and that nothing spectacular was generated during his tenure now he's taken all his talent elsewhere.... and the sad song continues.

Perhaps red can put the following phrases in perspective for you: 

No matter where you go, there you are.  If nothing changes, nothing changes.  And just who the hell is driving the bus?

Or perhaps this computer analogy fits:  Garbage in, garbage out.

Or maybe this:  The definition of insanity is doing the same things over and over while expecting different results.


See any parallels to the last 20 or so years in Elk County?

I'm a supporter of Elk County, but I won't support doing the same crap that has been showing no significant results for years....like spending scarce tax dollars on cosmetics, applying last minute quick fixes to problems that should have been dealt with years earlier, handing money to every Tom, Dick & Harry who comes in with a hand out for taxpayer dollars for this or that project, sending every upstart who needs a block filled on their resume to this convention or that retreat, keeping people on board who don't even realize what constitutes a debt, refinancing $20,000 payments so the taxpayers can pick the added interest or to cover up budget shortfalls that might expose mismanagement, allowing government officials to negotiate deals that result in million dollar windfalls to their immediate families, interrupting a school superintendent's contract mid-term just to give them a substantial raise during bad economic times, or enforcing undocumented rules that unwisely require savings of 10% or more before making non-local procurements (a penny saved is a penny earned), or making a priority of looking for every public grant possible to steal other taxpayers monies just to cover years of local mismanagement, or silently accepting a community that manages to make visitors feel like leprosy cases and new residents feel like the redheaded stepkids (no matter how rich or poor they are) all the while thinking that a new school building on the highway is gonna bring in new families by the truckload... and the list goes on. 

Yes we need change, it's the kind of change we disagree about.  If you want change, put down the broom & homemade signs.  Look first to those you've entrusted to make that change.  Get a county manager in place so every department head has a full time focal point with the authority to make important decisions without a consensus of three and so they don't have to take 'the hot seat' before a commission who's only on site twice a month.  If you aren't getting results, find some folks who will change the status quo and can get results, then fire the ones who can't or haven't. 

The change we need first is one of attitude.  The next changes we need are changes of process.

Hope that helps....

Oh, Diane, nice story, but 'snagging' a tourist or two ain't gonna do much.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 05:56:32 PM
We've seen stuff like this before.......   Patriot, you're hitting the nail right on the head.


Ditto. You can pretend all you want and that is all you have. Overspending and pretend.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 06:00:10 PM
Red, what "stuff" and what nail? Another black cloud? I thought the clock was a great idea. Do you know just as there are people who travel to take photos of water towers and light houses there are people who take photos of interesting public clocks? If they had a place to stay ya might catch ( or have already caught) a tourist or two.
Diane come on. What does an occassional clock photograper do for the overall economy of a county. Or are we talking about the whole county or just the little town of Howard.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 06:07:02 PM
The change we need first is one of attitude.  The next changes we need are changes of process.

Patriot I Agree with you attitude, attitude. Attitude is everything. Pretenders don't help attitude. Writing letters to pat themselves on the back is the ultimate.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 14, 2011, 06:22:49 PM
So it is the same old story.  Elk County is incompetent of doing anything constructive so we shouldn't even try.  But why place the blame on one person who has moved on?  I notice that Mr. Durbin's replacements haven't accomplished much either.  Is it them or is it the unresponsiveness of the county?  If you are saying that what we need to do is overthrow the government and put in new commissioners, because, ultimately, these decisions are theirs, why don't you just say so and leave out the various unelected underlings?

Is Mr. Durbin the only one responsible for no progress in the past 20 years?  I still don't understand why you chose to post his resume.  I can only hope that someone that reads that resume realizes that they can use his talents and gives him an outstanding job at an enormous salary.  Then your post will have accomplished something.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
So it is the same old story.  Elk County is incompetent of doing anything constructive so we shouldn't even try.  But why place the blame on one person who has moved on?  I notice that Mr. Durbin's replacements haven't accomplished much either.  Is it them or is it the unresponsiveness of the county?  If you are saying that what we need to do is overthrow the government and put in new commissioners, because, ultimately, these decisions are theirs, why don't you just say so and leave out the various unelected underlings?

Is Mr. Durbin the only one responsible for no progress in the past 20 years?  I still don't understand why you chose to post his resume.  I can only hope that someone that reads that resume realizes that they can use his talents and gives him an outstanding job at an enormous salary.  Then your post will have accomplished something.
I believe rhat Patriot was pointing out all the talent and ability that Mr. Durbin possessed but took those tallents and apparently decided to move on for whatever reasons.

I do not believe it was menat as a slam to show all that talent and knowledge.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 06:49:57 PM
Patriot.
Whilst your idea and thoughts are good, and people as well as the obvious commisioners disagree...I do have to agree to a point with your idea.
Please rememeber back as a kid:   What the elders said was true, and you will obey.  And now you are saying "they are self serving???"

Also, if one is put on the Comissioner's hot seat....it is for a reason:    1.  they defied the couty's policies; 2.  Someone is out to get them and wants a fair stance....which is a cowardly way in my mind; or, 3.  refer to #1.

You all voted them in, and now you all reap your wishes.....Fairy tales are just that...."I think I can..I think I can..."
Not to butt heads here, however it seems there is a lot of turmoil over a couple of instigators.   hmmmmm
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 07:13:02 PM
Patriot.
it seems there is a lot of turmoil over a couple of instigators.   hmmmmm

Conversation is now called instigating, that's nice to know. We converse by sharing information don't we Patriot? At least that's what I thought. These Elk Konnected, LLC people just don't play nice, always trying to put us down for having a conversation or asking a question. Not nice me.at all. They even all facts trash, shame shame. Now it's called turmoil, what would it be called if we were in a circle of chairs?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 07:24:10 PM
Now, now.  In no way did I call you out!   Quite the opposite.  Please don't get paranoic on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just know that if the 'facade' of good intentions are there, then those that don't follow with their blinders on will see that 1:  yes the clock is nice.  2:  Where are the businesses?  3.  What part do the commisoners have in the sayso of who can build and who cannot?  That seems to be a contention as to where is the money  SHOW ME THE MONEY and where it is spent!

The comissioners are in control, either fortunately, or not.  They are elected officials.  If things aren't the way anyone wants, then try to change it, and yes, Ross/Partriot, I have agreed with some of your thoughts.  Just don't know if Howard is ready with some of your though processes.

Discussion is good.  A circle of chairs is good in its place. Around a campfire, with a pot of beans, kiettle coffe and the wildnerness.
To move forward, takes faith and somewhat of a miracle.  Keep bringing up thoughts. 

ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 14, 2011, 07:30:33 PM
 :-X  I said I would stay out of this....and I will from now on.  Everyone brings up questions...and ross/Patriot...you both get my craw.  that doesn't mean I disagree.  Some people will just not move on to things more important then comspetics to bring in businesses. 
1.  have to have a substructure to suport (roads, water, etc).  2.  have to have  traffic to support those businesses' (why go off 400 to see Howard?)  3. The future of this town not being like Busby is what?????????????

off now...ready.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 07:32:56 PM
Now, now.  In no way did I call you out!   Quite the opposite.  Please don't get paranoic on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just know that if the 'facade' of good intentions are there, then those that don't follow with their blinders on will see that 1:  yes the clock is nice.  2:  Where are the businesses?  3.  What part do the commisoners have in the sayso of who can build and who cannot?  That seems to be a contention as to where is the money  SHOW ME THE MONEY and where it is spent!

The comissioners are in control, either fortunately, or not.  They are elected officials.  If things aren't the way anyone wants, then try to change it, and yes, Ross/Partriot, I have agreed with some of your thoughts.  Just don't know if Howard is ready with some of your though processes.

Discussion is good.  A circle of chairs is good in its place. Around a campfire, with a pot of beans, kiettle coffe and the wildnerness.
To move forward, takes faith and somewhat of a miracle.  Keep bringing up thoughts. 

ready
Well, now that I like. Thaks for setting me straight.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 07:51:01 PM
:-X  I said I would stay out of this....and I will from now on.  Everyone brings up questions...and ross/Patriot...you both get my craw.  that doesn't mean I disagree.  Some people will just not move on to things more important then comspetics to bring in businesses.  1.  have to have a substructure to suport (roads, water, etc).  2.  have to have  traffic to support those businesses' (why go off 400 to see Howard?)  3. The future of this town not being like Busy is what?????????????

off now...ready.
Actually this thread was more about Elk Konnected, LLC than Howard. but as you seem to be saying everything appears to be aimed at Howard. Elk Konnected, LLC has refered to the "old guard" and from my understanding there is really no difference. It's just organized as Elk Konnected, LLC, whatever that "old guard" was/is.

#1 If you read the first article in this thread it stated a big idea. "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­ (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)" Now doesn't that just sound like Howard want's to dictate to the whole county?

#2 Another "Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)"
That to me reads shut down Longtons fair ground and disallow their "Longton Free Fair" not called a county fair. Again bring all interest to Howard.

Now i have expressed my opinion about #1 & #2 above and I invite your opinion as to what the statements in quotations might mean to you. Thanks.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 14, 2011, 08:19:03 PM
 Ross, I'm one of those "every little bit helps" people. Besides, your residents should have something to enjoy, like the clock, even if nobody else notices. You are never going to have one quick fix for Elk County and everything will be fine.There are just too few of you and too many who don't seem to want any growth or change at all.That will eventually be the death knell of any small town. To court any  real industry you have to compete or have tax incentives or have something ready to offer. Your infrastructure is just too small unless somebody/ies takes a deep breath and demands, encourages, cajoles, begs, pleads or just plain gets gets pissed enough to find interest and cooperation.
  Who is going to want to risk a big investment there? Some of you don't even consider the wind farm project enough to bother with because it won't fix everything all at once and is limited.
You have big land owners and very successful people who will snap up every piece of land for sale and expand their ranches and /or farms, but is that kind of success enough to make for a healthy area? Apparently not.You'd have to go back a few years and look at all the good suggestions that sprouted right here. Some by people who have moved on and are no longer active on the forum. 
  There are so many portable jobs out there that aren't location dependent, but how would they know about  Elk County? Plus you have a few really RUDE snots on the forum who would drive away anybody because they are so incredibly judgemental and intolerant of anybody who doesn't fit their predetermined mold and agree with anything they say. If a few of you treat  the public, or each other other in person like you do on the forum, or worse yet, are two faced, no wonder your area isn't thriving.
  As for Charlie, he can speak very well for himself. That's all I'll say on that.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: indygal on May 14, 2011, 08:25:39 PM
Ross, had you stayed for the entire evening, you would know that those "big ideas" came from individuals in the discussion circles, and not from any governing body or the Elk Konnected steering committee or any sort of leadership group. Each and every participant had the opportunity to share ideas, large and small, about how to make Elk County a better place for all. This isn't about Howard, or Moline or Longton. This isn't about any one group controlling another. The conversation was and is about Elk County and its future. Those who were there understand how the process worked.

By the way, how did your meeting with Mr. Fish go? What did you find out? Would it not, in the spirit of fairness, be of interest to all to hear what you learned? Also would you share what you found out when you talked with any of the commissioners?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 10:08:11 PM
Ross, had you stayed for the entire evening, you would know that those "big ideas" came from individuals in the discussion circles, and not from any governing body or the Elk Konnected steering committee or any sort of leadership group. Each and every participant had the opportunity to share ideas, large and small, about how to make Elk County a better place for all. This isn't about Howard, or Moline or Longton. This isn't about any one group controlling another. The conversation was and is about Elk County and its future. Those who were there understand how the process worked.

By the way, how did your meeting with Mr. Fish go? What did you find out? Would it not, in the spirit of fairness, be of interest to all to hear what you learned? Also would you share what you found out when you talked with any of the commissioners?

I just haven't had the chance to visit with Mr. Fish. When I do get the opportunity to visit with him if I decide there is anything to share I may do just that. I have been pretty busy.

As for my visit with the commissioners I have already posted that visits information.  Thanks for inquiring.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 14, 2011, 10:23:00 PM
Ross, I'm one of those "every little bit helps" people.

Every little bit helps, huh? And I suppose this little bit helps a lot?

#1 If you read the first article in this thread it stated a big idea. "Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­ (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)" Now doesn't that just sound like Howard want's to dictate to the whole county?

#2 Another "Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's)"
That to me reads shut down Longtons fair ground and disallow their "Longton Free Fair" not called a county fair. Again bring all interest to Howard.

It shows attitude. And as I have been informed on this very forum these ideas have been around a very long time. Not a new idea but a big idea.

Does the founding member Of Elk Konnected, LLC writing herself a letter to be published in a local magazine sound proper to you? Oh and she made sure to use her position as Elk County Commissioner in writing that letter. Where, oh where are the ethics.

I'm all for good change not no change. But the lie continues about not using taxpayers dollars to accomplish what each community in Elk County could accomplish for themselves with those same tax dollars if available to them instead of a Howard controlled company.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 15, 2011, 08:15:55 AM
You keep talking about tax dollars being spent on Howard improvements.  Do you care to enlarge on that?  Just what improvements in Howard, such as the clock tower, has tax money been used for?  List them and keep it simple.  There is no need to enlarge your post with your opinion.  The facts, sir, just the facts.

And if I remember right, the one fair was to be a new facility, centrally located, which is certainly not Howard.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 15, 2011, 09:06:43 AM
You keep talking about tax dollars being spent on Howard improvements.  Do you care to enlarge on that?  Just what improvements in Howard, such as the clock tower, has tax money been used for?  List them and keep it simple.  There is no need to enlarge your post with your opinion.  The facts, sir, just the facts.

And if I remember right, the one fair was to be a new facility, centrally located, which is certainly not Howard.

Wilma, are you talking to me?
If so.
I don't believe, I have mentioned that the tax dollars are used for improvements in Howard.
I do believe, I have said tax dollars are used by a Howard business. 
I was refering to Elk Konnected, LLC a Howard business.

I also believe I have mentioned that I don't understand their community boundaries. For instance how does Severy in Greenwood County fit in to Elk County? What's with the bias?

That remark about centrally locarted, that sounds like what people told me was said about the West Elk High School which was suppose to be built at the rodeo grounds yet it is just a quarter of a mile outside of Howard. That reminds me of the remarks about the Fitness Center in Howard. I believe they said they checked the other communities but there was nothing in the other communities that was up to Howards standards. Soomething to that effect.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 15, 2011, 09:45:22 AM
They did check other fitness centers and found that what other communities had cost too much for this area.

Severy is included in the Elk Konnected because it is connected to Elk County.  I lived in Severy for 25 years.  My children, two of whom now live in Howard, grew up in Severy.  Severy is connected to Elk County because they are in USD 282, which is based in Elk County.

At the time the West Elk High School was built, it could not be built in the vicinity of the rodeo grounds because of the proximity of the then fully operational rock quarry.

Is Elk Konnected, LLC an operating business in Howard?  Or is it just an organization of people who are interested in improving the area?

And what about the tax dollars?  Just how is tax dollars included in this for anything except the school?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 15, 2011, 10:36:23 AM
Ross, I was talking about the clock, which I think everybody likes and people also donated to help get it. It wasn't just tax dollars. As far as combining the Gov't functions, I don't know enough about the real pros and cons to have an educated opinion. Since Howard, like it or not, is the County Seat, I can see why some things would tend to cluster there. I also understand that the other little towns are, in a sense, fighting for their lives and don't want any other place to over shadow them. The lack of people is really tough.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 15, 2011, 11:32:11 AM
Ross, I was talking about the clock, which I think everybody likes and people also donated to help get it. It wasn't just tax dollars. As far as combining the Gov't functions, I don't know enough about the real pros and cons to have an educated opinion. Since Howard, like it or not, is the County Seat, I can see why some things would tend to cluster there. I also understand that the other little towns are, in a sense, fighting for their lives and don't want any other place to over shadow them. The lack of people is really tough.

I have enjoyed hearing the clock on occassion and none of what I have said was concerning the clock. Also, I don't live in any of these little communities but have enjoyed the uniqueness of each and the decent people that live in them. I have enjoyed their festivals and their parades. I truely believe if Elk Konnected, LLC wanted to make a real difference they would help these little communities acquire the community grants that are or have been available to them. But I fear with all the cut backs in government spending across the country those will disappear. By such action versus trying to get involved in governmental control they could have truely made a name for themselves. To me ir's all about attitude and ethics.

In the near future we all may need to rely on each other to survive. Help a neighbor with a basket of vegatables from the garden, a dozen eggs to another neighbor, it's all about attitude. One community being better than the other has no part in attitude or ethics.

I grew up as a cub scout and a boy scout often wondering where the dime for the meeting was coming from. We played at the park and up and down the rivers and creeks, As we got older farmers allowed us to hunt rabbits across their pastures, we hiked for miles. And we never got obese. VBS was another great thing. None of these activities took a private company raising money and bragging about themselves to themselves. I took my scouts oath and lived by it. I joined the military took that oath and lived by it as well.

I'm saying ethics and attitude use to be of great importance in this country. If those had remained in tact through the years in politics and banking our country would not be in the trouble it is in today. These little communities in Elk County still appear to have those qualities and that is one of the reasons I live here.

Have you ever been to Independence, Kansas? Ever heard of Neewollah? Today it is a pretty large event in Independence, people arrive from all over the country. They had a great promoter a Mr. Halsey which helped the festival tremendously for many years. Now that's the way to boost a communities economy at least once a year. Their festival runs for a week give or take a day. All the motel rooms get book for miles around. Some people even stay in the motel in Longton I understand. Of course you have to start small just as they did in the early 1900's. Suggestions of that nature are not desirable. You can't force a garden to grow to fruit over night but you can nurture it and enjoy watching it grow until the fruit appears.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 16, 2011, 07:54:44 AM
Ok, haven't talked on this subject for awhile been other things on my mind. But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. I feel that putting the information that I have heard on this forum just isn't right. But I think no matter if tax dollars are spent on Elk Konnect or not, that won't change the need that some of you have to answer questions. I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do. Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair. I just don't see this happening. I also don't see one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met.

That's all I will say. I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 16, 2011, 08:07:46 AM
...I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????


Try this.... It's about an incestuous relationship between the two of them that results in a fading of the lines between public & private enterprise leading to conflicts of interest on the part of government and officially promoted & sanctioned gang rape of the taxpayer at large by private special interests.  

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 09:16:45 AM
Ok, haven't talked on this subject for awhile been other things on my mind. But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. I feel that putting the information that I have heard on this forum just isn't right. But I think no matter if tax dollars are spent on Elk Konnect or not, that won't change the need that some of you have to answer questions. I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do. Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair. I just don't see this happening. I also don't see one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met.

That's all I will say. I don't think that Elk Konnect and Elk County are in anyway the same thing. So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????

You said, "But I did talk to a person that knows things and I do still think that Elk Konnect is a good thing. " Good for you, talking to someone that knows things. Did they tell you that Elk Konnected, LLC is a company and that you cannot be a member of the company. And that people are used a volunteer to fulfill the needs of the members of Elk Konnected . No one has said that Elk Konnected, LLC can not be a good thing. It's seems a lot of people misconstrue what is actually written. In fact no one has actually said it’s a bad thing. We just feel as a non-profit, tax free organization wanting to shape our governments in Elk County should be as transparent as everyone wants our national political system to be. Come out of hiding, so to say.

You said."I also don't see  one local government happening either. It just doesn't make sense. Each community needs there own government or town council, each community has different needs and with a central government I can't see each of those needs being met." Elk Konnected, LLC proposed exactly that as a big idea, now why do you suppose they would do that? We who have been asking the questions are simply trying to get people to open their eyes and see for themselves.

You said.” But have found out things about it, which doesn't change my view on it at all, but I don't believe that posting what I have found out is the thing to do. That just doesn’t sound to positive.But you know you aren't required to share anything at all. So enjoy that information and be happy.

You said, "I do know that I am not involved in Elk Konnect, but do support what they are trying to do." Can you enlighten us as to exactly what you think they are trying to do?

You said, “Also, the talk about one fair and fair ground has been around as long as I can remember. I am not worried that there will be any change on there being a Howard and a Longton Fair.” I have to ask you, why do you suppose it was written in Elk Konnected, LLC’s proposals to the Elk County Commissioners?

Elk Konnected, LLC has shown that they controlled what was turned in to the Elk County Commissioners. So the business of people making suggestions just doesn’t cut it. Unless of course you know who made the suggestions. You see Elk konnected does not document any of this type of information, There again a lack of transparency.

You said, “So, is this thread about Elk County or Elk Konnect, I am confused????” Don’t be confused any longer. This thread is about Elk County, all of the communities in Elk County and rural areas and Elk Konnected, LLC. Because they are all tied together. And it’s about open and honest communication. I hope that clears things up.
 
 
 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 09:25:49 AM

Try this.... It's about an incestuous relationship between the two of them that results in a gang rape of the taxpayer. 


Let's play nice Patriot. ROFLMBO
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 16, 2011, 09:34:58 AM
Let's play nice Patriot. ROFLMBO

Oh... you said 'take the high road' not 'let's get high and take to the road'... sorry.  I recoated it with some chocolate... sorta.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 09:43:10 AM
You got your humor fined tuned this morning. Good job.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 16, 2011, 12:25:13 PM
Ross, I didn't just arrive on here yesterday.  ;)  WARNING, BORING DISCOURSE AHEAD! STOP! TURN BACK BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE!  ;D ;D ;D
   Of course I've been to Independence and are ashamed to say I even went to the Walmart. :-[ ;D Yes, I know about Halloween, Kirsti Ally, the out house tours, Crazy Days and more. I've been to Sedan, Caney, all  the EK Konnected towns,even Grenola...sorry Varmit... and many more north to Nebraska. (My mom was from Horton.) They just had their graduation...all 37 of them.
  I've eaten at Toots many times and Poplar Pizza,The Swing Bridge Cafe on steak night, stayed in the Rose Room at Crooked Creek Lodge and have eaten Montereys at the Cafe at Longton too. I've been to Elk Falls Pottery, stayed at the Silver Bell Motel and eaten at both the great barbecue place and had breakfast at the bakery in Elk Falls when they were still there. I have photos of the Iron Bridge at Elk Falls at near flood and got a kick out of all the animal tracks along there where the local critters come down to drink. I've shopped at Cooksons' and been to all the shops and museums in the old days. My interest in the doin's out there is very real.
 There was a lot of talk about grants some time back but everything that was available at the time were matching grants and nobody had the money for the match to get what was needed.Perhaps it's time to start again. As far as helping each other with the little but important things.They already do it....big time! The people there do share their fruit and veggies, just as I supply my whole street here.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
Ross, I didn't just arrive on here yesterday.  ;)  WARNING, BORING DISCOURSE AHEAD! STOP! TURN BACK BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE!  ;D ;D ;D
   Of course I've been to Independence and are ashamed to say I even went to the Walmart. :-[ ;D Yes, I know about Halloween, Kirsti Ally, the out house tours, Crazy Days and more. I've been to Sedan, Caney, all  the EK Konnected towns,even Grenola...sorry Varmit... and many more north to Nebraska. (My mom was from Horton.) They just had their graduation...all 37 of them.
  I've eaten at Toots many times and Poplar Pizza,The Swing Bridge Cafe on steak night, stayed in the Rose Room at Crooked Creek Lodge and have eaten Montereys at the Cafe at Longton too. I've been to Elk Falls Pottery, stayed at the Silver Bell Motel and eaten at both the great barbecue place and had breakfast at the bakery in Elk Falls when they were still there. I have photos of the Iron Bridge at Elk Falls at near flood and got a kick out of all the animal tracks along there where the local critters come down to drink. I've shopped at Cooksons' and been to all the shops and museums in the old days. My interest in the doin's out there is very real.
 There was a lot of talk about grants some time back but everything that was available at the time were matching grants and nobody had the money for the match to get what was needed.Perhaps it's time to start again. As far as helping each other with the little but important things.They already do it....big time! The people there do share their fruit and veggies, just as I supply my whole street here.

Did I somehow offend you, if so my appologies. But it is apparent you recognize the uniqness of each community. I really enjoy that uniqness when I visit the communities. You can also see the disagreement that can go on in any community and I'm sure if you paid attention to the community that you presently live in you could find something interesting there as well.  But the real point I believe that I was making was Elk konnected, LLC should stay out of their city goveernments,  they have a constitutional right to them.

I found nothing boring at all about your statement, I rather enjoyed it.
About the grants, I believe that is an ever changing thing. In fact I think they may become very scarce to none very soon.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 16, 2011, 01:43:24 PM
Ross, in no way did you offend me and it's clear you do try not to. That is very refreshing. There are a couple of people on the forum who jump to personal attacks immediately and try to ruin the credibility of the poster when they disagree rather than debate the issues.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 03:26:00 PM
Why, thank yo Diane. I appreciate the compliment.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jprxmkt on May 16, 2011, 08:40:26 PM
I would like to clear up a huge misconception.  Elk Konnected LLC does not have a mission to centralize the government in Elk County.  That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline.  Also the idea of 1 county fair was brought up by an Elk County citizen (not EK LLC) in one of the meetings.  The circles consisted of people from all parts of the county, all walks of life, rich, poor, college educated, high school dropouts, employed, unemployed, etc.  A note taker was chosen from each circle by the entire circle also not ELK Konnected LLC.   That person recorded all ideas brought up by that circle of people (again not ELk Konnected LLC).  All of those note takers from each circle then had a meeting to compile all ideas from every single circle so that every single person's ideas were presented to the commissioners.  There is clearly documentation on all of it.  Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners.  Now it is in their hands.  All 3 of them.  It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible.  It was a great night of brainstorming and wondering how great our whole community, all towns and rural people included, could be if we think and work positively to make it happen for all of us!  The main mission of Elk Konnected LLC is to keep each town talking and working together to accomplish great things so we can all grow.  We all need each other to keep this a great place to live, to retain what we currently have, and to supplement it in the future.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 16, 2011, 09:20:24 PM
Very well put, Julie.  This has all been said before, but conveniently forgotten by some.  So, please, before you start again on what you perceive as a potential takeover by Elk Konnected, LLC, remember that all these ideas came from citizens of Elk County.  None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do.  All that has been done is to collect the ideas, be they big or small, fact or fallacy, doable or not doable, good ideas or stupid ideas.  Nothing can be done overnight or even decided overnight.  Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 09:39:57 PM
I would like to clear up a huge misconception.  Elk Konnected LLC does not have a mission to centralize the government in Elk County.  That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline.  Also the idea of 1 county fair was brought up by an Elk County citizen (not EK LLC) in one of the meetings.  The circles consisted of people from all parts of the county, all walks of life, rich, poor, college educated, high school dropouts, employed, unemployed, etc.  A note taker was chosen from each circle by the entire circle also not ELK Konnected LLC.   That person recorded all ideas brought up by that circle of people (again not ELk Konnected LLC).  All of those note takers from each circle then had a meeting to compile all ideas from every single circle so that every single person's ideas were presented to the commissioners.  There is clearly documentation on all of it.  Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners.  Now it is in their hands.  All 3 of them.  It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible.  It was a great night of brainstorming and wondering how great our whole community, all towns and rural people included, could be if we think and work positively to make it happen for all of us!  The main mission of Elk Konnected LLC is to keep each town talking and working together to accomplish great things so we can all grow.  We all need each other to keep this a great place to live, to retain what we currently have, and to supplement it in the future.

It sounds like you are an Elk Konnected, LLC insider. So I'm asking why are the insiders hiding? Who are the insiders?

And as far as being Elk Konnected, LLC ideas the ideas came from Elk Konnected, LLC's strictly controlled Community Conversations and filtered, and catoragized by Elk Konnected, LLC. So the argument that it is not an Elk Konnected, LLC agenda doesn't hold water. If you want it to hold water I would only suggest Elk Konnected, LLC leave county government up to the elected officials. They could hold their own meeting with the county people. Or is it that you don’t believe they are capable.

You said, "That idea was brought up in one of the circles by an Elk county (not EK LLC) at the wind farm meeting in Moline."   Are you saying the Community Conversation controlled by Public Square Communities,LLC was not called by Elk Konnected, LLC? Are you saying that Moline is not part of the Elk Konnected, LLC community? You have really confused me now?

You said, “It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible..”  With two out of three  County Commissioners who appear to be connected with Elk Konnected, LLC  can’t you see a flaw with that? Doesn't that make the task that more daunting? One County Commissioner a founding member of Elk Konnected, LLC. Big conflict of interest.      

Perhaps being an insider  you could show us some public documents that the IRS told me you are suppose to post openly. Those being the “Letter of Determination”, the “Exemption Application”,  and your “Annual Information Return”  . That might put some minds at ease. Show a little transparency, who are the official members of Elk Konnected, LLC That would be a good start and how is your company organized? IE, secretary, treasurer etc. I'm sure the people in the county would like to know. Afterall you only had about 5 percent of the population show up for the supposed conversation.

Perhaps, I misunderstood about membership, I was told since I showed up at a community conversation that I was a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. I argued otherwise, because I did not sign you little piece of paper. So, if all those people that signed your little paper are members and they made the suggestions, theat seems to me to make it an Elk Konnected, LLC idea. Correct me if I'm wrong. Are those people that attended the conversation and signed in members or not? Are the volunteers members or not? Pretty simple questions, that only require a simple yes or a no.

Wow, I sure am glad you are available to clear up all the confusion. Thanks.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 16, 2011, 09:51:58 PM
Ross,

By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square.  By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 09:56:27 PM
Very well put, Julie.  This has all been said before, but conveniently forgotten by some.  So, please, before you start again on what you perceive as a potential takeover by Elk Konnected, LLC, remember that all these ideas came from citizens of Elk County.  None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do.  All that has been done is to collect the ideas, be they big or small, fact or fallacy, doable or not doable, good ideas or stupid ideas.  Nothing can be done overnight or even decided overnight.  Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.

Why collect ideas if you think it is worthless, that they mean nothing.  But the ideas were catoragized as big ideas for some reason weren't they? Oh, we know nothing can be done over night it takes time for things to brew doesn't it.

You said, "Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony." I don't wear Hanes but if you want to know just ask, and I don't let them get twisted, there is nothing to gain by that. And I am in no agony. It appears my questions give you agony or these remarks by you wouldn't be necessary. And I hope and pray the agony is not too unbearable.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 16, 2011, 10:10:56 PM

I would like to clear up a huge misconception.  Every idea from a golf course to assisted living facilities in every community was listened to, recorded and given to the commissioners.  Now it is in their hands.  All 3 of them.  It is now their daunting task to figure out which ideas are feasible.

Can we assume, from the authoritative revelations in your post, that you are a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected, LLC?  If so, thanks for speaking up. 

Additionally, if one or more county commissioners are also admitted members of the LLC, how is it that he/she/they do not recuse themselves from commission votes when taxpayer money is solicited for EK sponsored functions?  Seems a very fine line.



None of them will become reality until the commissioners decide which ones to do....
..Get you Hanes in a twist if you want to, but spare us your agony.

Follow the bouncing ball.  Elk Konnected, LLC... sponsors functions... takes taxpayer funds... county commissioner(s) dole out those funds... if elected officials also run/own Elk Konnected, LLC... potential conflict of interest.  Without considerable transparency (obtained by voluntary disclosure, through discovery in a lawsuit, or via criminal investigation), it's difficult to know.

Twisted Hanes?  Spared agony?  Oh, please.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 16, 2011, 10:19:59 PM
Ross,

By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square.  By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.


When you accuse Patriot an myself of something can't you be more precise? We are not chasing our tails but someone apears to have their tail tucked between their legs and it's not us. I don't have a fake name, I'm not hiding, I'm quite open and that's all I ask of Elk Konnected, LLC? What do they have to hide? They give a few people a position on a committe and those poor folks think they are members of Elk Konnected, LLC when actually they are not. They are simply volunteering to do what Elk Konnected want's them to do.

When I was a kid squares weren't cool. Who says you have to have a square?

Perhaps if they chose to do as they originally said and try to do away with conflict there would be no problem. Answer a few simple questions, but I think they are afraid to do just that. It's teir game I'm jsut playing. Their move. Transparency!?!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 16, 2011, 10:22:17 PM
By the time you and patriot get done with this subject, there won't be a Public Square.  By continuing to chase your own tail, you will have turned it into a Public Round.

You might be surprised at just how many people are asking the same questions in other venues.  I notice, in another recent thread, how much back room deals seem to bother you.  What's the difference?  At least your government opponents in that debate are clearly identifiable.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 07:59:52 AM
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?

As for being in agony, you seem to be agonizing quite a lot over this subject.  I don't see it as an issue.  I see it as an organization that is trying to do something for Elk County and keeps getting bashed for no apparent reason.

Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions.  Are you calling her a liar?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 17, 2011, 08:05:43 AM

Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions.  Are you calling her a liar?

Interesting Deflection so as to try and obfusicate the questions at hand.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2011, 08:31:16 AM
Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?

As for being in agony, you seem to be agonizing quite a lot over this subject.  I don't see it as an issue.  I see it as an organization that is trying to do something for Elk County and keeps getting bashed for no apparent reason.

Julie has given you a very complete answer to your questions.  Are you calling her a liar?

That is so disrespectful of everyone on thei thresd. To suggest calling someone a liar.

The tax money is not really the main issue, but that information is listed through out this thread.

The main issue is who is Elk Konnected, LLC. Who is on their board of governors, who is their secretary, who is, what is the structure of Elk Konnected, LLC. Do you know?

I have never seen any answers to these simple questions. Why are they hiding? What do they have to hide. Many other county residence are asking the same questions but they just won't do it openly.

 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 11:21:16 AM
Evidently no one on this Forum has the answers to your questions.  Why don't you take them to someone that can tell you?  You aren't answering questions very good yourself, are you?

Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?  Do you know the answer?  Can you answer the question?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2011, 12:01:19 PM
Evidently no one on this Forum has the answers to your questions.  Why don't you take them to someone that can tell you?  You aren't answering questions very good yourself, are you?

Just what tax money has Elk Konnected, LLC asked for and received and for what purpose?  Do you know the answer?  Can you answer the question?
Oh, I'm sure there are people on this forum that have the answers and I am sure Elk Konnected, LLC is monitoring this forum because it would make perfect snese for a company to do so.

I have been on here to ask questions and to visit with a couple of other people.

Quote from the middle of page four of this thread, " I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and  it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder “What is the future of Elk County”? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things  blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php .  If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.

I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about  PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?

I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide? "

The link for this quote is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html and be sure to go half way down the page.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 01:49:56 PM
And I say once again, that money is requested from the Elk County Commission for help in a lot of different things.  Most recently, the summer baseball programs.  The money is budgeted for this purpose.  Why should one organization be refused when all other requests are honored?

If you are hinting that someone is benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so?  Or better still get out there and prove it.

Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2011, 02:25:26 PM
And I say once again, that money is requested from the Elk County Commission for help in a lot of different things.  Most recently, the summer baseball programs.  The money is budgeted for this purpose.  Why should one organization be refused when all other requests are honored?

If you are hinting that someone is benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so?  Or better still get out there and prove it.

Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?

You just don't get it? I'll try again!!! I'm asking who is elk Konnected, LLC,  how is their organization operated? And I'm not asking about how the Community Conversations are ran, we have seen that. I'm not asking who their volunteers are, that is not Elk Konnected, LLC. I hope that is clear, I just can't seem to make that any clearer.

You said, "If you are hinting   that someone is benefiting financially from the Elk Konnected, LLC, why don't you just say so?" I have never hinted at anything I have been straight forward with my questions. But perhaps you are hinting by broaching the subject of hinting. I don't understand where these accusations are coming from.

You said, "Where did you answer my question about exactly what funds had EK,LLC requested and what were they for?" I really don't care about the money. But, I did answer your question in the above post.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 17, 2011, 06:21:45 PM
I take it that you are once again talking about a $3,000.00 school grant that was made by the Department of Commerce.  To whom was it made?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 17, 2011, 07:46:13 PM
Ross -

You asked who was on Elk Konnected - I have several times suggested you search this forum. If you have, you haven't posted your results.

I searched just now - in the topic "Enjoyed Elk Konnected Updates" http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html  the original steering committee is listed.

 ;)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 17, 2011, 09:34:37 PM
Ross -

You asked who was on Elk Konnected - I have several times suggested you search this forum. If you have, you haven't posted your results.

I searched just now - in the topic "Enjoyed Elk Konnected Updates" http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,5416.0.html  the original steering committee is listed.

 ;)

Okay that helps some.

Steering Committee was formed.  The original steering committee was Richard Fish, Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Larry Galvan, Liz Hendricks, Dave Whetstone, Vic Donahey, Dave Sanchez, Chris Haag.

Perhaps some of them are still on the steering committee.

I guess I just didn't find it for lack of err.

Now for some more thinking, Thank you ever so much.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 17, 2011, 11:05:12 PM
Okay that helps some.

Steering Committee was formed.  The original steering committee was Richard Fish, Andrea Arbuckle, David Brace, Larry Galvan, Liz Hendricks, Dave Whetstone, Vic Donahey, Dave Sanchez, Chris Haag.

Perhaps some of them are still on the steering committee.

I guess I just didn't find it for lack of err.

Now for some more thinking, Thank you ever so much.

The question remains:  Are/were all of the steering committee members also lawfully admitted members of the LLC?  Or were some just volunteers from outside the LLC?  Maybe the shadow knows! :o

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 18, 2011, 09:51:01 AM
Merriam-Webster

Definition of STEERING COMMITTEE
: a managing or directing committee; specifically: a committee that determines the order in which business will be taken up in a United States legislative body

steering committeenoun
plural ∼ -tees
iam-Webster: a group of people who are in charge of managing or directing something

The list of people has apparently changed, a couple of people may have moved out of the area, even out of state.
I'll see what I can find out.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 03:33:46 PM
Well, I just received our local newspaper . And talk about twist in the news. I’m referring to The Elk County Commissioners meeting minutes. Some how the truth fails to reach the public.

The paper says, “ L W. Ross voiced more complaints about Elk Konnected  and the Wind Conversation held at Moline in March.” I did not voice any complaints about that meeting, The only reference to that meeting by me was as I was about to take my seat and I said, “I am the person that was escorted from that meeting and that I should perhaps take my seat before I am told  to leave this meeting.”  I was then told that they would not ask me to leave.

The paper says, “Ross also questioned Commissioner Hendricks about being acquainted with Terry Woodbury before Elk Konnected. Hendricks said she did not know Woodbury when they lived in the same town.” This did not happen at all.  I never once mentioned The name Terry Woodbury. I did state that I had called Leoti, Kansas to see what I could find out about Public Squares Community, LLC and the city told me they had never heard of them. I did state that County Commissioner Hendricks is listed on Public Squares Community, LLC’s  web site as a staff member. And to me it appeared she was really upset when she said, “I am now.”

Now, I don’t know if what is said in the paper is based on freedom of the press  to use creative writing or based on the County Commissioners ability to manipulate what actually takes place at the meetings to defend each other. However, I do know that a tape recorder is used during the meeting, but I don’t know if they erase the recordings. Perhaps they keep the recordings a few months and a person could go listen for them selves.

What actually happened was:
   I made a read a statement from Elk Konnected that stated their goal was to pull all the communities together, yet on the other hand from a more recent statement they were knocking one of the communities for putting up such a fuss about getting out of the use of  County Wide Refuse. Where upon County Commissioner Hendricks jumped to the defensive more as Elk Konnected, LLC and said, “We did not mean to be bashing Elk Falls.” I said, but that’s exactly what you did, what’s the positive attitude about that? I also asked if the community was to do as Elk Konnected, LLC says or are they allowed to have their own city government and make their own decisions? I also asked her, What’s next Elk Konnected going to tell us where we can shop, perhaps tell us we can only shop at Wal-Mart? County Wide Refuse is not a county controlled entity but a private company owned by local residents that I happen to like and I do use their services.

I then addressed the issue that Elk Konnected, LLC denies using Taxpayers dollars when again Commissioner Hendricks switched mode to Elk Konnected and said, We don’t use taxpayers dollars.” I said, wait a minute wasn’t that person who was up here just before me asking for money for Elk Konnected Youth Services. Isn’t that taxpayers money?” Where upon she repeated, “We don’t use taxpayers dollars.”


There were other people there that can attest to this versus what the paper said.

I believe, this sufficiently points out the conflict of interest of County Commissioners being involved in Elk Konnected, LLC. Since, I was there simply to make a statement not to have a discussion with Elk Konnected, LLC  or the commissioners and it should have been properly recorded in the minutes of the meeting.


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 19, 2011, 05:47:30 PM
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community?  It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose.  Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: frawin on May 19, 2011, 06:29:36 PM
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community?  It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose.  Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?

Wilma, I think the majority of the people would agree with you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on May 19, 2011, 06:36:49 PM
Absolutely, Wilma!  This has gone on too long and everyone is getting very tired of it.  It borders on harassment.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 19, 2011, 07:07:19 PM

What about the individual rights and property rights of those who are paying the taxes on their property?
If they object to charity and organizations takiong their money thru government, you call that harrassment? 
Shame on you.

Recently, I sent a copy of "Not Yours To Give" to a county employee in an adjacent county.  This week I saw him and he
was telling me how he enjoyed Horatio Bunce confronting Colonel Davy Crockett.  Bunce said, "It is not the amount, Colonel, that I complain of; it is the principle." 

We need elected officials who will stand on the principles of the Constitution, not on their charitablle feelings to spend other people's money derived from the property taxes or other taxable means. 

 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 19, 2011, 07:14:14 PM
1425 posts ago, on Oct 16, 2008 this was the first post of redcliffsw:

Quote
Why not level the playing field for everybody, including rich & poor, by prohibiting the Feds from giving out money? 
You ever read "Not Yours To Give"?  It's about Congressman David Crockett and how it ought to be.  Some might know about it but so far, I have not seen it on the EK Forum.  Excellent read. 
You can google it or click here.

http://www.fee.org/library/books/notyours.asp

We get the point you are stating, you don't have to remind us every other day!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 19, 2011, 07:20:56 PM


You don't get it?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 07:26:47 PM
Do you have an issue with ANY organization asking the commissioners for money to help with some program for the good of the community?  It does happen quite often and the money is budgeted for that purpose.  Why shouldn't EKLLC ask for the same thing that other organizations are granted?
There is a lot about Elk Konnected, LLC that we don't know or understand.
But the issue is the denials which is a polite way of saying lying.
The second is not having a clear line between our elected officials and Elk Konnected, LLC. Therefore a major conflict of interest.

I haven't said they shouldn't ask but to deny receiving taxpayers dollars right after receiving money from the county commissioners, is a blatant lie in my way of thinking. How can you trust some one that will do that?
A lot of folks still seem to think they are Elk Konnected, LLC which is a privately owned company and they are not privileged enough to actually belong to it. They are simply volunteers and nothing else. They are simply used to make Elk Konnected, LLC look good.
 

They claim to have been organized before the wind farm got started. I don't buy that because of the insider information of the preplanning stage of the operation which could have taken as much as two years or more. That is further deception.

But, I also pointed out the deception of what transpired at the County Commissioners meeting either by the county commissioners or the newspaper in an attempt to protect either Liz Hendricks or Elk Konnected , LLC or both. I don't know which. Did you miss that? I don't like being bamboozled.

This is my opinion and you are quite welcome to your opinion.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 07:32:47 PM
Absolutely, Wilma!  This has gone on too long and everyone is getting very tired of it.  It borders on harassment.

Since when is a having a decent conversation or asking questions harassment. Or is it that the truth is harassment?
Since when do you have the authority to say a conversation has gone on to long? Do you own this forum? Is anyone forcing you to be notified that a response has been posted on this thread?

You choose to be a part of this thread just as everyone else that is on here does.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 19, 2011, 07:44:18 PM
Ross,

You don't ask questions.  You make unfounded accusations and insinuations, and phrase them as questions.  You seem to operate on this principle: 

Rule #1 Ross is always right. 

Rule #2  If Ross is wrong, refer to Rule #1.

You say you are just asking questions, but what you are doing is declaring Liz and Elk Konnected guilty, and instead of actually having to prove the guilt, Liz and E.K. have to prove their innocence, and if they don't prove their innocence ithen you claim it proves their guilt.  And even if Liz and E.K. do prove themselves innocent, they will still be guilty because Ross says so.

And earlier this evening you insinuated that three county commissioners and one county clerk have colluded to twist your words.

We're tired of hearing your accusations and insinuations.  Prove what you assert, or move on already!

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 07:57:02 PM
Ross,

You don't ask questions.  You make unfounded accusations and insinuations, and phrase them as questions.  You seem to operate on this principle: 

Rule #1 Ross is always right. 

Rule #2  If Ross is wrong, refer to Rule #1.

You say you are just asking questions, but what you are doing is declaring Liz and Elk Konnected guilty, and instead of actually having to prove the guilt, Liz and E.K. have to prove their innocence, and if they don't prove their innocence ithen you claim it proves their guilt.  And even if Liz and E.K. do prove themselves innocent, they will still be guilty because Ross says so.

And earlier this evening you insinuated that three county commissioners and one county clerk have colluded to twist your words.

We're tired of hearing your accusations and insinuations.  Prove what you assert, or move on already!


No sir that's not true, you are in my opinion twisting the facts, but again you are entitled to your opinion.
You are not forced to read anything on this thread, are you???????

#1 And #2 tickle me, but that's not true either, that is an old but bad argument. It was originally written as a joke.  But I am an honest person and that does fit.

You have the choice to move on if you so desire but I would never assume that have a right to tell you to do so. Or be so rude. Please yourself.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 19, 2011, 09:00:56 PM
Ross - curiosity question -

What would you like to have happen?


When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.

What is your suggested resolution?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 09:22:05 PM
Ross - curiosity question -

What would you like to have happen?


When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.

What is your suggested resolution?

I'm not writing a letter of complaint to a company am I? I am conversing and informing at least two other people on this forum.
But I do believe a I have made it clear I would like to see Elk Konnected be upfront and open and truthful. Why they even tried to tell me right here on this forum that I am a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which is not true at all. Is it that difficult to see the game they are playing?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: sixdogsmom on May 19, 2011, 09:24:36 PM
Ross - curiosity question -

What would you like to have happen?


When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.

What is your suggested resolution?

Deb, with all due respect, the same question could be asked of everyone who has participated in this thread. For myself, I would rather see a county commissioner resign from either one post or the other, so that there may never be a conflict of interest either evident nor implied. Personal gain should never be a possibility for a public servant, and the public served should never be discriminated against. Surely the oath of service included service to the people of Elk County?


Wilma, I know that you think the world of Liz, and can understand your defense of her. However I do think she has made a mistake in this matter. Sorry.  :P
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 09:26:44 PM
Ross:  I am not saying I necessarily agree with your methods of questioning , however I do understand where you  are sort of coming from:
You wish the results to be the same, but the methods of how the funds are distributed are questionable.   That concern is reasonable.  Unfortuately, by reading all 15,000 threads on this Elk Konnected LLC it boils down to "technicality".
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county.  I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote. 
You seem to continually bring up some letter of praise from this commisioner wrote as a 'pump our organization up' of which he/she belongs.   Well, that reeks of a pompous action if it can actually be proven that he/she wrote it personally or from a proxy.  Those are strong acusations.   
How am I doing so far....or perhaps it is none of my business?????  From an outsider viewpoint, some comments are the reasons this contry is breaking down. 
I will not address the taxpayers dollars funding a corporation as it may be too convoluted or just an assumption.   There needs to be more legwork and proof, other than supposition.   
My .02 worth
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 19, 2011, 09:33:48 PM
Ready, I don't see it as taxpayer's dollars funding a corporation.  I see it as an organization that is trying to do something good for the community, asking the county for a few dollars to help in that endeavor.  This isn't the only organization that is asking the county for money.  In the last two months two summer baseball organizations have asked for money and received it.  I don't see the difference.  Summer baseball can have money from the county coffers, but EKLLC can't?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 09:35:20 PM
six:   you really need to fix those glasses on your avitar!   ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 09:41:41 PM
Quote
Ready, I don't see it as taxpayer's dollars funding a corporation.  I see it as an organization that is trying to do something good for the community, asking the county for a few dollars to help in that endeavor.  This isn't the only organization that is asking the county for money.  In the last two months two summer baseball organizations have asked for money and received it.  I don't see the difference.  Summer baseball can have money from the county coffers, but EKLLC can't?
Perhaps it lies in the conflict of interest area. 

I personally wish to follow the money trail and it's funneling chanells...however, I work full time.

I llove the ideas of the kids/elderly/un-taken-care-of population being supposrted by the community.  Somethings need to be supported on their own, without the council.  It all depends on if it is a field built or just uniforms.   
It all boils down to what is more important...uniforms or a field, and how much money is there in the coffer.   The commissioneers have to be accountable to the constiuents.   They are under a micrscope.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 09:45:23 PM
Ross:  I am not saying I necessarily agree with your methods of questioning , however I do understand where you  are sort of coming from:
You wish the results to be the same, but the methods of how the funds are distributed are questionable.   That concern is reasonable.  Unfortuately, by reading all 15,000 threads on this Elk Konnected LLC it boils down to "technicality".
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county.  I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote. 
You seem to continually bring up some letter of praise from this commisioner wrote as a 'pump our organization up' of which he/she belongs.   Well, that reeks of a pompous action if it can actually be proven that he/she wrote it personally or from a proxy.  Those are strong acusations.   
How am I doing so far....or perhaps it is none of my business?????  From an outsider viewpoint, some comments are the reasons this contry is breaking down. 
I will not address the taxpayers dollars funding a corporation as it may be too convoluted or just an assumption.   There needs to be more legwork and proof, other than supposition.   
My .02 worth
Ready

readyaimduck you are very good. The letter I am refering to was sent to a local publication I get that is related to my power company it is also published on the internet at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf . I would never make something like that up.

Our County Commissioner is also listed as a staff member of Public Square Community, LLC the company hired by Elk Konnected, LLC you may check it out at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/publications.htm simply click on the button that says "Our Staff".

As I have said several times I feel pretty certain that I am speaking directly to Elk Konnected, LLC right here on this forum. It would only make sense for them to monitor this forum as a source of the community's pulse.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 09:47:05 PM
Wilma:
Let me back up....it IS the taxpayers money that you are asking for.  
If you pay Property tax and the Mil levy is set...x amount of dollars goes for "community/service" functions  (whatever their word for it is)
so, in essence...your $.50 went for that ball team..  Is that what you wish?  and if they raise the mil levee another 4 mile, then you will in turn help pay for that team, only at a higher rate.  
Am I turning to mud?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Quote
As I have said several times I feel pretty certain that I am speaking directly to Elk Konnected, LLC right here on this forum. It would only make sense for them to monitor this forum as a source of the community's pulse.

of course one might, Ross.  As no one really speaks what they feel, unless they are on a forum!   
Now, go downtown Howard, and you may just get ignored, or flat knuckled in the chin!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 19, 2011, 10:03:48 PM
I am going to say this, and probably will get flack...it will be a knee jerk reaction, a yellow flag, and a shoot from the hip/lip from what I have read here:

Can you all say:  " working the system?"
Those who can - benefit.   Those who can't - do without and struggle.  And I am with the do withouters only to show how you don't have to "work it honey. "

That being said - Most SE Counties, and I repeat Most counties are in a crunch.  How do we fix it? 

It's all about Politics.  Now, how is that working out?
Over and Ready...going to bed!   jeesh I am exhausted!
 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 10:04:00 PM
of course one might, Ross.  As no one really speaks what they feel, unless they are on a forum!   
Now, go downtown Howard, and you may just get ignored, or flat knuckled in the chin!

I don't get it? Are you saying this is a Howard thing. I have been down town Howard and neither thing has happened.
Not everyone in Howard or the County support Elk Konnected. LLC. So I don't really understand your point.
As far a speaking my mind it has not been only on the forum, I have also went before the County Commissioners.
Even a County Commissioners Aunt spoke to them about the misuse of the County's web site by Elk Konnnected, LLC.
So I am not the only one to speak up.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 19, 2011, 10:04:45 PM
readyaimduck have you had a chanc e to look at the links I posted? I for got to mention Elk Konnected, LLC's web site that shows our County Commissioner Using her title as Commissioner http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/ and the link that shows her as part of the steering committee http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/steering.php .

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 19, 2011, 10:42:37 PM

October 2007

For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT.  This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past.

The evening started out with a free chili supper served by both FFA clubs from West Elk and Elk Valley High schools.  Child care was provided by the same group, along with other high schoolers from both schools.  They did a great job keeping the kids entertained so the parents could enjoy the conversations.

The first instructions we received from the conversation leader, Terry Woodbury, was that we have to start expelling all the negative thoughts and perceptions of the past.  We also have to think like a COUNTY COMMUNITY, instead of each city.  Because; if we don't work together, ALL the cities will fade away.  Our second instructions were that we were not there to point out the problems or to point fingers... we were there to start thinking about SOLUTIONS.

Before the conversation, the steering committee sent out surveys to people from the county (and Severy).  They were asked to rate their city and the county as a whole on 20 clues to building community.  On a scale from 1 to 4 (1 = excellent), they were asked to rate statements like "Evidence of community pride: our community is a show place of care, attention, history, and heritage".  The results of this survey were given out at the meeting.  As an example, for the statement above, only 27% of the people rated Elk County has having Excellent or Good ratings (1 or 2).  Individual cities were below 50%, actually below 40% (except Moline; they were at 58%).  Of the 20 points, there were only 4 that 50% or more of the people ranked the county as being Excellent or Good.  These points were 1) Strong support for education, 2) Strong presence of traditional institutions, 3) Acceptance of women leaders, and 4) Strong multi-generational family orientation (the leader was impressed with this last one, as not many counties he's worked with has ranked this one highly).

Our goals throughout the night were to take these 4 strengths of the county, and focus on the lower ranked points.  We started working with people at our table.  Then we grouped together by cities.  Then we grouped together having at least one person from each city at the table.  Some of the lower ranked points that we discussed were active econonmic development program (2nd to last); sound, well-maintained infrastructure (3rd to last); evidence of community pride (6th to last); and cooperative community spirit.  We also talked about improving the youth quality of life, and how to get citizen engagement in some of the activities and events that already go on within the community.

The interesting thing about this conversation... we didn't leave with any action items or a need to go out and "save the county".  Just our thoughts and the thoughts of others in the county.  This will be a long-term investment of people power, time, and eventually money.  Again, this was a FREE supper.  Not even a "free-will donation".  Just county neighbors getting together on a Friday night to look to the future of the county... and how we will have to work TOGETHER.   YOU MISSED OUT.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 10:52:49 PM
Technically the commisioner can be a member of an organization that distrubutes funds to his or her own county.  I would think out of professional courtesy he/she would abstain on that particular vote. 

Technically well put, other than recusal from such a vote would be more closely related to a legal expectation than a professional courtesy.  When such votes continue on a range on similar issues or official negotiations give the appearance of resulting in potential personal gain or excessive influence of special interests then the lack of recusal may become evidence of a deeper problem.  While conflict in the distribution of a few dollars to a recreational activity might be casually overlooked, the story may not end there.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:08:04 PM
Instructions from the leader...

All for the 'collective', I presume. 

Lollipops included.

Perfectly acceptable to anyone who unwittingly or otherwise accepts the principles outlined in the Manifesto.

Downright worrisome to anyone who holds an allegiance to the precepts of the Declaration of Independence & the Constitution...or it should be.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 19, 2011, 11:12:56 PM
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If our community was given $450K, what would you like done with the money....
« on: July 17, 2008, 03:04:57 pm »

Let's focus on something fun, positive, long lasting... If our community was given $450,000 a year for a period of 10 years, what would you like done with this money...Anything is possible....
How did $450k for ten years turn in to $675,000 for twenty.  It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal.   Or could it.   Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 19, 2011, 11:26:47 PM
It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal.   Or could it.   Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.

Sure it could have.  Is that the whole story, or just the jacket advertisement?  And you would be shocked at what the shadow knows.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 19, 2011, 11:31:01 PM
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K."   The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation.  All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there.  If this is anything but zero then  all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner.  If not what are we discussing?

How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 12:11:06 AM
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K."   The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation.  All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there.  If this is anything but zero then  all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner.  If not what are we discussing?


The IRS does not recognize LLCs as taxable entities.  An LLC must elect to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sol proprietorship.  Unless an LLC elects to be taxed as a corporation, there would be no form 1120.  Are you saying that the LLC has made such an election?  Or do you know for sure?  And there are other elements here besides the direct personal financial gain of any single person.  If you such a tax form existed and if the IRS would release it, I would be glad to review it.  Since you seem to know about it, why don't you just scan it and post it here on the big ole world wide web.  Be sure to include all the schedules (E,G & K would be especially helpful). Or you could start with the FEIN. 

What are you fishing for?  Maybe you could phone the shadow.

How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.

To what corporate entity do you refer?  Does the plot now thicken?  Who said some private corporation was involved in any wind farm negtiations?  Did you miss something?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 20, 2011, 12:28:52 AM

The IRS does not recognize LLCs as taxable entities.  An LLC must elect to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sol proprietorship.  Unless an LLC elects to be taxed as a corporation, there would be no form 1120.  Are you saying that the LLC has made such an election?  Or do you know for sure?  And there are other elements here besides the direct personal financial gain of any single person.  If you such a tax form existed and if the IRS would release it, I would be glad to review it.  Since you seem to know about it, why don't you just scan it and post it here on the big ole world wide web.  Be sure to include all the schedules (E,G & K would be especially helpful). Or you could start with the FEIN. 

What are you fishing for?  Maybe you could phone the shadow.

To what corporate entity do you refer?  Does the plot now thicken?  Who said some private corporation was involved in any wind farm negtiations?  Did you miss something?

Sorry I don't have a tax code in front of me only my corporate tax return.  So if an organization formed as a llc has a different form number or line or schedule show us that one.
I have as much access to IRS forms of private and/or corporate entities as you do so why don't you scan it and post it.
How could I have a copy of any tax form for any organization that I am not a "legally recognized" member of.
 I am a lowly volunteer that only answers my overlords.  I just pick up trash and redistribute it.  Wear t shirts.  Kick soccer balls. Watch movies.

If you want the FEIN of the LLC. just go apply and get a job at the fitness center the FEIN will be on the W4.  It will be on the W2 you get at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 12:46:57 AM
Cute change of identities, patrick.  Cute.  Though not likely to confuse anybody.  LOL

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Sorry I don't have a tax code in front of me only my corporate tax return.  So if an organization formed as a llc has a different form number or line or schedule show us that one.
I have as much access to IRS forms of private and/or corporate entities as you do so why don't you scan it and post it.
How could I have a copy of any tax form for any organization that I am not a "legally recognized" member of.
 I am a lowly volunteer that only answers my overlords.  I just pick up trash and redistribute it.  Wear t shirts.  Kick soccer balls. Watch movies.

Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity.  The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin':  http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)

Care to share who those overlords are?  
'Pick up trash and redistribute it'.  Now that's an interesting choice of words.


If you want the FEIN of the LLC. just go apply and get a job at the fitness center the FEIN will be on the W4.  It will be on the W2 you get at the end of the year.

Are they hiring?  And if I'm correct, you just indicated that the LLC operates the fitness center.  Would that be a for profit operation, or are the membership fees (if any) being called donations to a non-profit?  Never mind, that question was probably above the pay grade of a lowly volunteer.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 20, 2011, 12:50:54 AM
Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity.  The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin':  http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)

Are they hiring?  And if I'm correct, you just indicated that the LLC operates the fitness center.  Would that be a for profit operation, or are the membership fees (if any) being called donations to a non-profit?  Never mind, that question was probably above the pay grade of a lowly volunteer.

I am not indicating it I am stating it just like Many have done in the past 3000000posts.  The ELK KONNECTED, LLC. rents,runs and operates the fitness center.  Always has.  Why is this so hard?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 20, 2011, 12:55:41 AM
Read again... An LLC is not recognized as a taxable entity.  The form used has to do with the elected method of taxation.
Here, go do some learnin':  http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html (http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=205011,00.html)
'Pick up trash and redistribute it'.  Now that's an interesting choice of words.
 It is a physics thing.  Nothing can be destroyed just changed, reinvented in a different form.  It is from a recycle t-shirt.  Did you want one?  Sorry I will dumb down my comments so you can get out of irs mode and back to esoteric extrapolations.



Did you notice how I used the form from your quote and transfered that to form of matter.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? That was kind of fun.


I don't think you noticed the word  runs between rents and operates.  That was a pun.   'Cause it is a fitness center.

my best stuff is just wasted on you.  I don't feel appreciated.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 12:57:01 AM
I am not indicating it I am stating it just like Many have done in the past 3000000posts.  The ELK KONNECTED, LLC. rents,runs and operates the fitness center.  Always has.  Why is this so hard?

3000000 is a bit of an exaggeration.  How about answering questions for a change instead of deflecting?  A question, by the way is a line ending with... never mind.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 20, 2011, 01:01:23 AM
3000000 is a bit of an exaggeration.  How about answering questions for a change instead of deflecting?  A question, by the way is a line ending with... never mind.
I just did.  You asked if the LLC ran the fitness center.  I said yes.  You started to tell me about questions ending with......I didn't get the rest.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 01:14:32 AM
I just did.  You asked if the LLC ran the fitness center.  I said yes.  You started to tell me about questions ending with......I didn't get the rest.

Notice that I made a statement.  There was no question about who ran the center.  Nice try.

Now, since you brought up tax forms and their relation to LLCs and compensation, and it's apparent that the discussion overwhelmed you to the point of childish distraction, perhaps the subject was more complex than you were prepared to examine in depth.  Sorry for leading you in over your head.  Sad, but not really shocking (pardon the pun).  Have great tomorrow.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 20, 2011, 01:21:23 AM
Instructions from the leader...

All for the 'collective', I presume.
  Was this a star trek reference? 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 07:05:51 AM
October 2007

For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT.  This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past.

The evening started out with a free chili supper served by both FFA clubs from West Elk and Elk Valley High schools.  Child care was provided by the same group, along with other high schoolers from both schools.  They did a great job keeping the kids entertained so the parents could enjoy the conversations.

The first instructions we received from the conversation leader, Terry Woodbury, was that we have to start expelling all the negative thoughts and perceptions of the past.  We also have to think like a COUNTY COMMUNITY, instead of each city.  Because; if we don't work together, ALL the cities will fade away.  Our second instructions were that we were not there to point out the problems or to point fingers... we were there to start thinking about SOLUTIONS.

Before the conversation, the steering committee sent out surveys to people from the county (and Severy).  They were asked to rate their city and the county as a whole on 20 clues to building community.  On a scale from 1 to 4 (1 = excellent), they were asked to rate statements like "Evidence of community pride: our community is a show place of care, attention, history, and heritage".  The results of this survey were given out at the meeting.  As an example, for the statement above, only 27% of the people rated Elk County has having Excellent or Good ratings (1 or 2).  Individual cities were below 50%, actually below 40% (except Moline; they were at 58%).  Of the 20 points, there were only 4 that 50% or more of the people ranked the county as being Excellent or Good.  These points were 1) Strong support for education, 2) Strong presence of traditional institutions, 3) Acceptance of women leaders, and 4) Strong multi-generational family orientation (the leader was impressed   with this last one, as not many counties he's worked with has ranked this one highly).

Our goals throughout the night were to take these 4 strengths of the county, and focus on the lower ranked points.  We started working with people at our table.  Then we grouped together by cities.  Then we grouped together having at least one person from each city at the table.  Some of the lower ranked points that we discussed were active econonmic development program (2nd to last); sound, well-maintained infrastructure (3rd to last); evidence of community pride (6th to last); and cooperative community spirit.  We also talked about improving the youth quality of life, and how to get citizen engagement in some of the activities and events that already go on within the community.

The interesting thing about this conversation... we didn't leave with any action items or a need to go out and "save the county".  Just our thoughts and the thoughts of others in the county.  This will be a long-term investment of people power, time, and eventually money.  Again, this was a FREE supper.  Not even a "free-will donation".  Just county neighbors getting together on Friday night to look to the future of the county... and how we will have to work TOGETHER.   YOU MISSED OUT.

Wow a letter from the past telling us we don't want to be like the past, simply amazing. Also it tells of the lollipops, a free baby sitter and free bowl of chilly all bought and paid for with taxpayers dollars, sweet how you get told you get free stuff when you actually pay for it. Yws there was a guy from Wichita County who was telling everyone from Elk County where to sit, who to talk with and what to talk about and even howw to think. The guy refered to as the LEADER in the letter above was the man from Wichita County. Excellent letter. Excellent Argument. Excellent post.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 07:20:15 AM
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If our community was given $450K, what would you like done with the money....
« on: July 17, 2008, 03:04:57 pm »

Let's focus on something fun, positive, long lasting... If our community was given $450,000 a year for a period of 10 years, what would you like done with this money...Anything is possible....
How did $450k for ten years turn in to $675,000 for twenty.  It couldn't have been anything a verbally abused commissioner's ability to defer from her "acorn style" community organizing and wasting county tax dollars and negotiate a better deal.   Or could it.   Ask your shadow, he seems to follow you around every where you go.

Is that our community as in Elk Konnected, LLC Kommunity Steering Kommittee or as in Elk County Government which is suppose to, by the people, of the people, snd for the people??????????????????????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 07:38:06 AM
Let us assume that this is not a monumental waste of keystrokes on you and your two codependence and give the crazy idea for a minute that the $250 baseball money was somehow given to "E.K."   The proceeds would be local tax money given to a corporation.  All you would have to do is get a copy of the corporation's form 1120 , look on line 12, (the deductions sections) compensation of officers________(schedule e line 4) read to us all on the big ole world wide web the amount printed there.  If this is anything but zero then  all you would have to prove was the the compensated party is one Liz Hendricks, commissioner.  If not what are we discussing?

How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler.

Really you have to ask, How does a entity incorporated in September of 2009 plan a wind farm or school bond that happened two or three years eariler. You should perhaps read your own post. I quote your post, 'October 2007[/b][/color]

For those of you who live in Elk County (and the surrounding area) and didn't attend the Elk Konnected Conversation meeting in Longton last night...YOU MISSED OUT.  This was an AMAZING event put on by a steering committee of local people who want to turn Elk County into a place of of the future; not a dying county of the past." I'm sure it took a  some time for this steering committe to get together and develop a plan, but perhaps that happened years before --- we have no way of knowing do we?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 07:53:21 AM

my best stuff is just wasted on you.  I don't feel appreciated.

I appreciate you. You bring a great deal of humor to this thread. You Pat are a Riot.
Patriot, however is a veteran that has served his country and a stubborn ole fart like me that believes in "We the People".
"The Constitution", " God and Country". Not so much control by corporation.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Ok, the money that Elk Konnected went and asked for at the last meeting was for the hit, pitch, run contest. it was for balls for the contest. It was a kid that asked, if I am right. The kid is a member of Elk Konnect, so what. The money comes from the parks and recreation funds. The money in that fund is for different types of organizations around the county to use. That is where the money for the different ball clubs that asked for it came out of. So, what your telling me is, its only ok for that money to be spent on the different towns parks and different types of recreations???? I personally don't mind seeing my tax dollar go to an event like the hit, run, pitch contest. Did my girls participate?? NO!! We don't do summer ball at all because we are to busy with haying and things. But if my tax dollar is going towards it it really doesn't bother me. I think what you really want is a run down of where all the tax money is going. I personally am not happy that we still owe money on an ambulance and it needs fixed already. I feel that we need the ambulance, but now our county owes even more money than the ambulance cost. Shouldn't we be concerned about all the different aspects of where our tax dollar is going instead of worrying about Elk Konnected and slamming them at every turn. Oh, wait, your not slamming them, just questioning them. But your using a public forum to question them instead of writting a letter or calling the individuals that are the members. Don't tell me that you don't know who to question, as it has been stated time and time again names of individuals that are members. That would be like me sitting on here and stating different people around town that I support with my tax dollars through them receiving welfare. That just isn't right!!! I know I don't have to read this forum, but actually you all are getting kind of comical!! So, why not!! SAME QUESTIONS, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 08:56:30 AM
Ok, the money that Elk Konnected went and asked for at the last meeting was for the hit, pitch, run contest. it was for balls for the contest. It was a kid that asked, if I am right. The kid is a member of Elk Konnect, so what.

No problem with who asked for the taxpayers money at all. The point was that right afterwards the Founding Member of Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner said, we don't use taxpayers dollars.

Using kids as a tool as an argument in a discussion concerning adults is just terrible. Using kids in politics is just terrible in my opinion.

You said, "It was a kid that asked, if I am right." Maybe  just maybe it was a kid that asked. Depending on the definition of a kid. If it was a kid, that kid was instructed by an adult form Elk Konnected, LLC. So what difference doe it make if it was a kid or not?

Therefore I repeat, "No problem with who asked for the taxpayers money at all. The point was that right afterwards the Founding Member of Elk Konnected, LLC and County Commissioner said, we don't use taxpayers dollars. "
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 09:02:20 AM
Shouldn't we be concerned about all the different aspects of where our tax dollar is going instead of worrying about Elk Konnected and slamming them at every turn.

Sorry that you can't see that this is about much more than a few dozen tax dollars and what kid asked for them.  Maybe a re-read would help you see the deeper theme.  And we should also be concerned about how our tax money is spent.

Oh, wait, your not slamming them, just questioning them. But your using a public forum to question them instead of writting a letter or calling the individuals that are the members. Don't tell me that you don't know who to question, as it has been stated time and time again names of individuals that are members.

I'll bite, Lookatmeknow.   Please recite all those names of the admitted member of the LLC that we've missed.  Not volunteers, but names actually identified as admitted members.  Oh, except Ross, because even though someone said his attendance at a 'conversation' made him a member, he's said thast he's not.  I, for one, believe him on that.

I know I don't have to read this forum, but actually you all are getting kind of comical!! So, why not!! SAME QUESTIONS, OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER!!!!

And still the same lack of answers, over and over and over.  The same deflections, over and over and over.  No, not comical, just obtuse and dishonest.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 20, 2011, 09:04:53 AM
Looks like the ball team ought to raise its own money.  

Using the government to take money from folks, then give their money to ball teams isn't the right thing to do.

Should the Commissioners believe the ball team is such a good organization/non-profit/investment, then they are free to donate their own personal money to the ball team.  If you want to donate or give money to a ball team, then do it on yourself.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 09:11:08 AM
Looks like the ball team ought to raise its own money.  

Using the government to take money from folks, then give their money to ball teams isn't the right thing to do.

Should the Commissioners believe the ball team is such a good organization/non-profit/investment, then they are free to donate their own personal money to the ball team.  If you want to donate or give money to a ball team, then do it on yourself.

Right you are.  It's a pattern throughout the country... people accustomed to receiving 'free' tax money are all to willing to hand it out the same way, if they can.  After all, it's not their money. Maybe it helps at the poles.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 20, 2011, 09:12:37 AM
Gee, our daily "all government is evil" reminder from red; and it's barely 9 am.  What no anarcho-capitalism propaganda from Lew Rockwell?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jerry wagner on May 20, 2011, 09:39:57 AM
Gee, our daily "all covernment is evil" reminder from red; and it's barely 9 am.  What no anarcho-capitalism propaganda from Lew Rockwell?

LOL.  Love it!  The trains (of thought) run on a specific schedule in Red's ville.  Of course, it could all be a deflection and she is really a commie, afterall 'red' is in her name.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 09:50:02 AM
LOL.  Love it!  The trains (of thought) run on a specific schedule in Red's ville.  Of course, it could all be a deflection and she is really a commie, afterall 'red' is in her name.


Has anyone ever noticed how progressive socialists hammer people about personal attacks yet jump to that mode themselves at the drop of a hat?

Coulter is right.  Liberalism is a mental disease.  Much akin to the DSM-IV criteria for borderline personality disorder.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jerry wagner on May 20, 2011, 09:54:21 AM

Has anyone ever noticed how progressive socialists hammer people about personal attacks yet jump to that mode themselves at the drop of a hat?

Coulter is right.  Liberalism is a mental disease.  Much akin to the DSM-IV criteria for borderline personality disorder.

It wasn't a personal attack.  That is the only response I have come to expect from red, and she is entitled to do so.  Also, the second part of the remark was a joke nothing more.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 20, 2011, 09:55:46 AM
It wasn't a personal attack.  That is the only response I have come to expect from red, and she is entitled to do so.  Also, the second part of the remark was a joke nothing more.

Uh-huh.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 20, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
Flint,

The Americans tossed out the Brithish rule and they establsihed a Constitution before there ever was a
LewRockwell.com.  Why don't you want to stay with the Constitution?  And why don't you donate to the ball team?


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 10:18:40 AM
lets inject a little $100 million humor right here. Sort of. According to this organization nothing seems to matter after tomorrow, does it?

Apocalypse Weekend: Harold Camping Says the World Ends Saturday.

In a comfortable office, Bible placed firmly atop his lap, 89-year-old Harold Camping is preaching with utter certainty about the end of the world. "May 21, 2011, is the day of judgment," he says with conviction, in a YouTube video posted last year. "It is the day that ends all gospel salvation activity ... It is the most important day by a billion times than any other day the world has ever known." On that day, Camping estimates roughly 207 million people, or about 3% of the world's population, will be plucked from the earth. What will follow is five months of earthquakes and other calamities until the world officially ends on Oct. 21 of this year.

Like all who proselytize the end the world, Camping has spread his message using a small army of followers; in his case, they're supported by a substantial budget that by some estimates is more than $100 million. There have been stories in the media of families selling their homes, quitting their jobs and budgeting their finances such that by May 21 they will be left with nothing. After all, they won't need it, right?
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2072748,00.html#ixzz1MuDiEnpc
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Humpy on May 20, 2011, 10:32:54 AM
  Good a day as any I guess. I will be spending the day over at Card Creek trying for some catfish. Hope I don't get plucked up during a fight with a 30 pounder.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 10:39:39 AM
  Good a day as any I guess. I will be spending the day over at Card Creek trying for some catfish. Hope I don't get plucked up during a fight with a 30 pounder.
Good Choice. I may be working on tearing out some very old pasture fence and fence line brush for installing new fence. I plan to still be alive on Sunday. I just don't trust that $100 million organization's judgement.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 11:01:49 AM
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund. What do you suppose or where would you like that money to go?

Ross, as for what you are saying then you got one of your hundred questions answered. As for donating money and time, I run a business and I donate to alot of things. What do you donate to??? Does it matter really that the kids get money for ball?? I agree we need to really watch our pennies. I think that is why commissioner Ritz was questioning so much about getting the ambulance fixed and has been questioning alot of things. I've talked to him a few times about some things, maybe you should try talking to him about any issues that you might have. I have learned alot over my time, and it's so much easier to go to the person and ask the questions that I have with issue then to post on here the questions. Plus you might understand it better. I know he isn't an "admitted" member of Elk Konnect, but he might shed some light on your questions. I for one would just ask Liz, since you all have mentioned her name many times, as she would gladly talk nicely to you about any issue that you have. When we lived further on Killdeer by a hill and my oldest was just starting school, I went to her and asked if the county could put a school bus stop sign on both sides of the road. As the bus pulled out and cars were flying over the hill, I was afraid there might be an accident. You know what, we got them.


I think you all mean well on your questions, and you have every right to know the answers. I just don't think you realize how you come off as being rude and mean. I don't know many of you, don't know Ross or Red or Patriot, but it's your delivery on how you say things sometimes that put people off with you. Ross, I have to say from what you said about standing up at that meeting in Moline and how you got escorted out, I hate to say it, but if I was running the meeting I might have done the same thing. You didn't even let the meeting get started before you started in on them. I personally, would have sat for a bit and listened a bit then opened up. That's just me. yes, you have a right to your questions being answered, but to put it nicely think how you go about it before coming off as being rude.

Just a suggestion, as I am sure you are all laughing at my suggestions, I could really care less if you like me and don't know me. You have your own opinions and I respect that. I am so used to that kind of treatment that it doesn't really bother me. GOD, my family, and friends that know me, love me and that is all that matters.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Sarge on May 20, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund.

 

You are correct. It takes the approval of 2 commissioners to disperse money from the parks and recreation fund. The county clerk, treasurer, register of deeds and sheriff each manage their own budgets.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 11:31:20 AM
Well, the way that I understand the county puts money aside into different places, or allocates where the money will go. Is that right? So much goes to the fire, so much to this and so on. Am I on the right track? So, the county has a parks and recreation fund. What do you suppose or where would you like that money to go? You still miss the point, the denial, the lie, we don't use taxpayers dollars.

Ross, as for what you are saying then you got one of your hundred questions answered. As for donating money and time, I run a business and I donate to alot of things. "Good for you keep up the good work."What do you donate to???"That's personal, just as you kept who you donate to, to yourself, so will I." Does it matter really that the kids get money for ball??"No, it's the method of using kids and denial"I agree we need to really watch our pennies. I think that is why commissioner Ritz was questioning so much about getting the ambulance fixed and has been questioning alot of things. "Mr. Ritz is a fine person who I believe as the county's best interest at heart. I've talked to him a few times about some things, maybe you should try talking to him about any issues that you might have. I have learned alot over my time, and it's so much easier to go to the person and ask the questions that I have with issue then to post on here the questions. Plus you might understand it better. I know he isn't an "admitted" member of Elk Konnect, but he might shed some light on your questions. I for one would just ask Liz, since you all have mentioned her name many times, as she would gladly talk nicely to you about any issue that you have. When we lived further on Killdeer by a hill and my oldest was just starting school, I went to her and asked if the county could put a school bus stop sign on both sides of the road. As the bus pulled out and cars were flying over the hill, I was afraid there might be an accident. You know what, we got them. Again that is great and you were talking to her as a county commissioner, here we are addressing her as Elk Konnected, LLC on an open forum so she can tell the whole community in a conversation anything she or Elk Konnected, LLC would lbe willing to clarify. A community conversation much like the ones that Elk Konnected, LLC uses only without their total control.

I think you all mean well on your questions, and you have every right to know the answers. I just don't think you realize how you come off as being rude and mean. I don't know many of you, don't know Ross or Red or Patriot, but it's your delivery on how you say things sometimes that put people off with you. Ross, I have to say from what you said about standing up at that meeting It wasn't billed as a meeting but as a community conversation. in Moline and how you got escorted out, I hate to say it, but if I was running the meeting I might have done the same thing. You didn't even let the meeting get started before you started in on them. I personally, would have sat for a bit and listened a bit then opened up. That's just me. yes, you have a right to your questions being answered, but to put it nicely think how you go about it before coming off as being rude. They don't hold community conversations, they hold circuses with total control.

Just a suggestion, as I am sure you are all laughing at my suggestions,I am definitly not laughing at you, that would be very rude. I could really care less if you like me and don't know me.I have nothing at all to say bad a bout you, but I will say your input is welcome. You have your own opinions and I respect that. I am so used to that kind of treatmentThat's a shame. that it doesn't really bother me. GOD, my family, and friends that know me, love me and that is all that matters.Right on.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 20, 2011, 11:54:54 AM
Well, your missing my point. I see you are addressing her as part of Elk Konnected, but I also feel, this is just my opinion, that she would rather not answer the questions on here. I believe that she would answer any questions that you have for her or anyone would. You are talking about Elk Konnected, and I just feel that if individuals want to know about it thats fine or groups, but it doesn't have to be on a public forum. That's my opinion, again. Its just like if I get on one of my daughters teachers facebook page and ask her a question about my child. She wouldn't want to put that information out there, it just isn't in the best interest. Not that Elk Konnect has anything to hide, I just feel that it's better addressed not so public.

As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting. I have also went to the school board one that they had about shutting down schools and the budget and there was only so much time allotted for the whole meeting, and you only got to speak if the person with the mic came to you. It was ok, but the community conversation is ran very smoothly, and much more conversing gets to go on. As for a circus, no to me it wasn't even close.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 01:39:04 PM
Well, your missing my point. I see you are addressing her as part of Elk Konnected, but I also feel, this is just my opinion, that she would rather not answer the questions on here. I believe that she would answer any questions that you have for her or anyone would. You are talking about Elk Konnected, and I just feel that if individuals want to know about it thats fine or groups, but it doesn't have to be on a public forum. That's my opinion, again. Its just like if I get on one of my daughters teachers facebook page and ask her a question about my child. She wouldn't want to put that information out there, it just isn't in the best interest. Not that Elk Konnect has anything to hide, I just feel that it's better addressed not so public.

As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting. I have also went to the school board one that they had about shutting down schools and the budget and there was only so much time allotted for the whole meeting, and you only got to speak if the person with the mic came to you. It was ok, but the community conversation is ran very smoothly, and much more conversing gets to go on. As for a circus, no to me it wasn't even close.
No.I'm sorry I disagree. You see Elk Konnected, LLC uses several types of public forum to praise themselves including this forum. They claim to of people be there to improve the county and want input form the citizens of the county, Here they can address a lot people.

And again you are entitled to your opinion, but I don't plan to leave this thread to go behind closed doors. That is the old way and we are now in the 21sr Century and the digital age. They have spoke of doing away with the old guard what ever that means. I believe the old guard they refered to probably operated behind cloosed doors. Pretty Simple, huh?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 02:17:57 PM
Ross - curiosity question -

What would you like to have happen?


When writing a letter of complaint to a company, the recommendation is to always offer a resolution.

What is your suggested resolution?

Responding again per your request.
I'm not writing a letter of complaint to a company am I? I am conversing and informing at least two other people on this forum.
But I do believe a I have made it clear I would like to see Elk Konnected be upfront and open and truthful. Why they even tried to tell me right here on this forum that I am a member of Elk Konnected, LLC. Which is not true at all. Is it that difficult to see the game they are playing?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 07:16:49 PM
As for the community conversation, I went to one of them that they had about the school. Yes, it was organized and ran well. I for one thought it was a nice meeting.

How is that? I believe Elk Konnected said they were not involved in the school closures!
Can you tell us about that conversation, some of what was said.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 20, 2011, 08:27:36 PM
Charlie, where is that thread that was on here at the beginning of EKLCC.  I know you posted a link to it but I can't remember where that was posted either.  Perhaps now is the time to post it again and again and again until all concerned have read it.

And Ross, I am tired of this "but she said "We don't use tax money".  What was the original question that this was the answer to?  She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls.  Or did she?  Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"?  Aren't you beginning to use a little harassment here?  Perhaps with the whole thing?  I think harassment is the continually making small scale attacks in order to wear down resistance.  If MS. Hendricks doesn't want to answer your question on this forum, she has every right to stay silent.  You continual harassment is not accomplishing your goal so why not change your tactics.  Try a little courtesy and tact.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 20, 2011, 08:45:53 PM
dang wilma, he has been tactful.  He has been so polite, it's about to make me hurl.  He's beat around the polite bush so much its worn a path around it.  Personally i think he should call it as he sees it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: sixdogsmom on May 20, 2011, 08:57:02 PM
Steve, yer a-stirrin' agin aren't yah?  ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 20, 2011, 09:09:08 PM
Steve, yer a-stirrin' agin aren't yah?  ;D

What? ME STIRRIN??  nahhh. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 20, 2011, 09:17:18 PM
Charlie, where is that thread that was on here at the beginning of EKLCC.  I know you posted a link to it but I can't remember where that was posted either.  Perhaps now is the time to post it again and again and again until all concerned have read it.

And Ross, I am tired of this "but she said "We don't use tax money".  What was the original question that this was the answer to?  She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls.  Or did she?  Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"?  Aren't you beginning to use a little harassment here?  Perhaps with the whole thing?  I think harassment is the continually making small scale attacks in order to wear down resistance.  If MS. Hendricks doesn't want to answer your question on this forum, she has every right to stay silent.  You continual harassment is not accomplishing your goal so why not change your tactics.  Try a little courtesy and tact.
No harrassment just the truth. And I have to keep repeating because someone asks the same thing over and over.

So here is the post again, from page 22 of this thread at http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.210.html
Quote from the middle of page four of this thread, " I was at the County Commisiioners meeting Monday ad spoke with them about Elk Konnected. I read the first few lines of one of their web pages. It said something to the effect that they wanted to pull all the communities together and try to get them to work together. Then I read a line from the most recent wbe page and  it says , In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder “What is the future of Elk County”? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service.. Now this is where things  blurr between our elected officials. Lis Hendricks said that they didn't mean to bash Elk Falls. To defend Elk Konnected. I simply said you did anyway. It is still up there I just copied and pasted the remark for this web page. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php .  If she didn't mean to bash them then why doesn't she remove the remark. But here I am addressing Elk Konnected instead of the County commissioners.

I went on to say that Public Squares Community is located in Leota, Kansas and that I called the city offices to inquire about  PSC and they had no idea who that was. I told the lady they are a busniess in that community. She again said she never heard of them. I then informed the council that Liz use to live in Leoti and that she is a staff member of PSC. I don't suppose you can see any conflicts of interest in any of this. I'm asking you why wouldn't she provide this information publicly?

I then said that Elk Konnected said they don't use taxpayers money and stated that they had recieved a school grant from the Kansas Department of Commerce for $3000.00. Again Liz jumped to the defense of Elk Konnected as their spokesperson and said that Elk Konnected never saw that money and that it went directly to PSC. I told her that it didn't matter how she twisted it, it was sitll tax dollars for Elk Konnected to pay for PSC's services. She once again siad we don't use taxpayers money. I said wait a minute, Elk Konnected Youth services was just up here before me and asked for money. I asked her isn't that taxpayers money, she had no response. Why all the deception, where is the transparency? What are they trying to hide? "

The link for this quote is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.30.html and be sure to go half way down the page.

Wait a minute, I for got to say that she said the money went directly to PSC, LLC and I said it doesn't matter how you twist it, it was still money for Elk Konnected, LLC to hire PSC, LLC.

You saked, " She surely didn't say it about the most recent request for money to help pay for balls.  Or did she?" YES, Shelby Moore had talked to the County Commissioners just befor I did. She sounded like a very nice person.

You asked, "Did she stand up and immediately say, "But we don't use tax money"?" Why on earth would she stand up? humble opinion.

I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 08:45:23 AM
OK, she didn't stand up.  Did she say, "We don't use tax money"?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 21, 2011, 09:04:10 AM
OK, she didn't stand up.  Did she say, "We don't use tax money"?

According to the three eye witnesses I've spoken with, yes.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 11:41:48 AM
Did she say this at the last commissioner's meeting or a long time ago?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 21, 2011, 01:21:16 PM
Did she say this at the last commissioner's meeting or a long time ago?
Elk County commissioners meeting April 25, 2011.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 01:55:23 PM
So you are harassing her?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 21, 2011, 01:59:52 PM
So you are harassing her?

Are you harassing him?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 21, 2011, 02:21:33 PM
That is truely a strange question to ask. The answer is no.
You ma'am I believe you politely asked, and I politely responded.
Where is any harrassment in being polite? That truely is a strange question for you to ask.



You should know  all about strange questions.   I think you have the market cornered.  The Rossopoly of inquirey.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 21, 2011, 02:21:56 PM
So you are harassing her?
That is truely a strange question to ask. The answer is no.
I was addressing the County Commissioners not Elk Konnected, LLC.
The County Commissioner during the County Commissioner's meeting switched to Elk Konnected, LLC.
You ma'am, I believe you politely asked, and I politely responded.
Where is any harrassment in being polite? That truely is a strange question for you to ask.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 04:04:19 PM
It just seems that you are continually talking about this one particular question that you asked and she didn't answer to your satisfaction.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 21, 2011, 04:08:42 PM
It just seems that you are continually talking about this one particular question that you asked and she didn't answer to your satisfaction.
So what? You asked it this time?
Are you telling me you are the conversation police on this forum?
What?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 21, 2011, 06:06:29 PM
I could be if that is what you want.  I am not much of a conversationalist but neither are you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
Hey Patriot,

I guess I'm a little slow on learning all this but I think, I just figured out who that guy David Whetstone is.
You know the guy listed on the Elk Konnected, LLC web site just below Liz Perkins name.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he a Perkins too?
It sounds like a family affair.
Hope you are enjoying this weather, I finally got some rain on my property which was really nice.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2011, 09:28:16 AM
Ross, that's Dr. David Whetstone and he is hardly just some guy. I know you have your questions, but it's starting to sound as if it's personal between you and anyone named Perkins. I do hope I am wrong. ??? I'd be happy to send you some rain if I could. Right now we have more than enough to share.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 22, 2011, 09:39:54 AM

I'm thinking that Ross does not like socialism.  Nothing wrong with that.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 09:42:21 AM
Ross, that's Dr. David Whetstone and he is hardly just some guy. I know you have your questions, but it's starting to sound as if it's personal between you and anyone named Perkins. I do hope I am wrong. ??? I'd be happy to send you some rain if I could. Right now we have more than enough to share.
No, I'm sorry you think that way.
But I'm just rying to understand Elk kOnnected, LLC, I sure hope that doesn't bother you.

The rain was a God send, my property has been that dry. I have often said we live in a bubble because I have watched the radar on www.wunderground.com weather radar. The storms would be coming straight at us out of the south west and then split just before reaching us and go to the north and sout of us and then come back together. It's really weird. But I'm not com;plaining because the sever stuff goes around us when that happens. Have a great Sunday, it's beautiful here.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 09:46:41 AM
I'm thinking that Ross does not like socialism.  Nothing wrong with that.
I think it might be called Howard Social Engeenering, I might be wrong.
Oh, but am I being to polite?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 22, 2011, 09:54:35 AM
I guess I'm a little slow on learning all this but I think, I just figured out who that guy David Whetstone is.
You know the guy listed on the Elk Konnected, LLC web site just below Liz Perkins name.
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't he a Perkins too?
It sounds like a family affair.
Hope you are enjoying this weather, I finally got some rain on my property which was really nice.

Dr. David Whetstone, DVM
Associate Veterinarian
Countryside Pet Clinic
Andover, KS

Chair. Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine


Yes, the rain was very helpful, but I'd take tad more.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 09:56:35 AM
You should know  all about strange questions.   I think you have the market cornered.  The Rossopoly of inquirey.

That sounds just like another Perkins defense and I wounder why" When I am asking about Elk konnected, LLC and not about the Perkins?

Why are you so defensive?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 10:17:45 AM
I just read the following from an Experienced Non-Profit Finance Specialist:

In the US and many other nations, a non-profit organization is required to have a governing body, a Board of Directors (BOD). This  requirement is universal. It is the governing board that is ultimately responsible for any and all actions of the entity. Many Board's elect to hire staff  to perform certain duties, but in the end, all responsibility rests with the governing body, as that governing body is the organization.

Since there doesn't appear to be a board of directors with Elk Konnected, LLC, and they state they are partnered with Elk County Community and Education Foundation at PO Box 956, Howard, KS 67349 would anyone care to tell us if their board of directors is also the Elk Konnected, LLC's Board of Directors?

Is it too difficult for an organization that says they are our organization to open up to the publis?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
Just an information tidbit.

How to Form a Board of Directors
By an eHow Contributor
 Whether you've just formed a nonprofit or incorporated your business,
you're required by law to have a board of directors as your governing
body. A board's structure and personality varies widely: Do you want
a hands-on working board, or big names that lend credibility to fundraising?
Hold casual or by-the-book meetings? The task is to recruit
a board that works well with your organization's style and mission.
 
Instructions
 1 Specify the board's rules of operation in the corporate bylaws. This document details items such as the number of board members, length of terms, officer positions and meeting conduct.

 2 Determine the desired skill set before you begin recruiting. If your corporation lacks financial savvy, recruit an accountant. Plagued by personnel problems? A human resources specialist would make a good addition. Gather a well-rounded board that works effectively toward your organization's goals. See 374 Sharpen the Focus of an Organization.

 3 Invite board candidates to the next meeting and see if there is a good fit in person as well as on paper. This also enables candidates to ask questions of the board and confirm their commitment.

 4 Ensure that the board stays on track by clarifying its responsibilities. These generally include defining the organization's mission, selecting and evaluating an executive officer, raising funds, and enhancing the organization's public image. Boards are typically required to record minutes of meetings and keep them on file.

 5 Establish committees when issues become too complex or numerous for the entire board to handle effectively. Divide-andconquer strategies can make better use of members' time and expertise. Have at least two members--this can include staff and volunteers--on each committee.

Read more: How to Form a Board of Directors | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/how_138781_form-board-directors.html#ixzz1N5vqx2Hu
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 10:30:07 AM
Dr. David Whetstone, DVM
Associate Veterinarian
Countryside Pet Clinic
Andover, KS

Chair. Kansas State University College of Veterinary Medicine


Yes, the rain was very helpful, but I'd take tad more.


Let this saok in a bit so the ground can absorb more. We have slight chances each day for awhile, gradually improving chances every day. Looks like my pasture grass is growingg now, it needed that rain pretty bad. I thought it was going to have to rely on the morning dew.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 22, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
That sounds just like another Perkins defense and I wounder why" When I am asking about Elk konnected, LLC and not about the Perkins?

Why are you so defensive?
. Dear anyone not Loss,
Since You only need to have a defense for an offense it was not therefore defensive.    You have the issue with elk konnected.  The structure of elk konnected is such that evey "member "has as their option to be active or not.  If you look at the vision retreat attendees you will see that most have moved, quit or are not active.  What you should be concerned with is that every town has had and will continue to have  active participating members from every community.  Active residents from Longton and Grenola and Severy have been to each event.   Since it is a communist and socialist structure as you have discribed it there is no controlling Perkins mafia overlord like you wish there to for you to uncover.  The biggest financial supporter to date has been the state of Kansas.  Unless you count fifty dollar gifts from elk county citizens that do not support trying to survive with working with others ans a whole. One of the biggest nonfinancial supporters  of the creation of elk konnected was Larry Galvan of CQ county.  He has no kids in elk county schools,is not a relative to any Perkins,  doesn't have a business in town, doesn't have millions coming to him from wind leases, worked with saint like vigor with the boy scouts, supports every local event and wanted the communities to work together.  Why would elk konnected get support from Grenola, Elk Falls, Severy and Longton area citizens if elk konnected was trying to harm, dissolve, or assert unwarrented influence to all other county towns just to better Howard...  Elk konnected is not a Howard entity.  During the west elk school community conservations we hosted the meetings attended by the entire area.  The meetings were not held to push an agenda.  They were held to promote inquiry, conservation, and cooperation.  The bond issue was not defeated because of elk konnected nor would it have been pass because of elk konnected.  The wind farm did not come here out of a elk konnected discussion.  The payment of pilot money was not made available because of elk konnected. The goal and purpose of the wind farm conversation was just that a conversation.    The discussion on county budgets happens every year and will again for the next twenty years by the county commissioners.  Maybe because you are wrong in all your assumptions you go to redundant questioning for no apparent gain. You still question the integrity of the organization that is only goal is to better the community that you choose to live in.  You are not arguing the process or even the outcomes you are asking for who started the pony express and why.

I think you wounder not wonder  because you would rather deface messenger not the message.   Maybe  you are wounded.  Injured in some way by six  communities communicaing that now you lower yourself to searching out every member trying to see what they have to gain by this the evil cluster of cerebrum.  Are you going to post resume's also?    This free defamation is going to make you very popular.  If someone gets employed over the deal then are you going to take the credit for that? Do you get a head hunters fee?  I would challenge you to post my name, place of business, unemployment status, and resume.   



 The message is clear the area communities must work together or die.     
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 22, 2011, 04:48:19 PM
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Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 22, 2011, 05:55:37 PM
. Dear anyone not Loss,

Just a side note.. that's a really weird, if not incoherent, salutation

The structure of elk konnected is such that evey "member "has as their option to be active or not.  

Could you please post the organizational agreement approved by the LLC showing that to be the case?

If you look at the vision retreat attendees you will see that most have moved, quit or are not active.  What you should be concerned with is that every town has had and will continue to have  active participating members from every community.

Retreat attendees or not.  Active or not active.  Does not settle the original inquiry about admitted membership according to Kansas statutes.

Since it is a communist and socialist structure as you have discribed it there is no controlling Perkins mafia overlord like you wish there to for you to uncover.  

Do you wish to rephrase your apparent agreement here that there is a communist and socialist structure or ideology of some kind  involved?

The biggest financial supporter to date has been the state of Kansas.  

Or stated otherwise (and more accurately):  The taxpayers of Kansas.

One of the biggest nonfinancial supporters  of the creation of elk konnected was Larry Galvan of CQ county....

Really irrelevant to the inquiries made regarding taxpayer support, business structure and public official/employee involvement in the LLC and its' activities.

Why would elk konnected get support from Grenola, Elk Falls, Severy and Longton area citizens if elk konnected was trying to harm, dissolve, or assert unwarrented influence to all other county towns just to better Howard...  

Without transparent access to the private agenda of the LLC, that question can't be answered.  

Elk konnected is not a Howard entity.  

No, it's a Limited liability company charted by the Kansas Secretary of State and organized in accordance with Kansas Statutes Annotated.  I don't believe Howard city has a business licensing ordinance.  But even if it does, the address of record for the LLC is rural,I believe.

The wind farm did not come here out of a elk konnected discussion.  The payment of pilot money was not made available because of elk konnected.

How, exactly, did the wind farm come to Elk County?  Who participated in the negotiations to bring it here and establish its' overall placement?  Who negotiated the PILOT agreement?


Maybe because you are wrong in all your assumptions you go to redundant questioning for no apparent gain.

Or perhaps deflective, non responsive and obtuse answers have necessitated restatement of what have been valid questions from the start.

You still question the integrity of the organization that is only goal is to better the community that you choose to live in.  You are not arguing the process or even the outcomes you are asking for who started the pony express and why.

Perhaps deflective, non responsive and obtuse answers begin to reflect on the integrity, transparency and true nature of the organization... in spite of its' 'positive' public involvement in kids sports, after school movies and trash cleanup activities.

I think you wounder not wonder  because you would rather deface messenger not the message.   Maybe  you are wounded.  Injured in some way by six  communities communicaing that now you lower yourself to searching out every member trying to see what they have to gain by this the evil cluster of cerebrum.  Are you going to post resume's also?    This free defamation is going to make you very popular.  If someone gets employed over the deal then are you going to take the credit for that? Do you get a head hunters fee?  

What was that about defamation?  Are you asking those last two questions of 'anyone but Loss'?  And who is Loss by the way?

I would challenge you to post my name, place of business, unemployment status, and resume.  

If you think that's relevant to the questions presented, feel free to post it yourself.  But why the challenge?  If I find that information posted publicly, as I have others, I suppose I could post it here.

The message is clear the area communities must work together or die.    

On that, we agree.  Our differences are in how that is accomplished and by whom it's facilitated.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 22, 2011, 07:19:51 PM
Is all that uproar because they don't have an actual organization?
I really didn't intend to upset anyone, just wondering if this is the "ONE" to save us.
Is it prehaps because Elk County Community & Educational Foundation is the actual organization?
After all doesn't  Elk County Community & Educational Foundation have a board of governors and Elk Konnected, LLC says they have partnered with them. Also Elk Konnected, LLC says Elk County Community & Educational Foundation handles their money.
And Elk Konnected, LLC says Elk County Community & Educational Foundation donates money to Elk County Community & Educational Foundation. Isn't that sorta like Elk Konnected, LLC writing that letter praising themselves.

If all of Elk Couty supports this why isn't there a whole lot mor people .show up when Elk Konnected says show up. One or two hundred shows to me to be a lack of consensus of Elk County as a whole. One or two people from each community is also not a consensus of that community, now is it?

I just find it all kind of extraordinary. I am in awe by all of it

Especially in awe that an Elk Konnected, LLC supporter should be so disturbed by a few questions.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 10:23:59 AM
Again, I will state this: Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here. I know this for a fact. Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard, and sure it's probably the same at Longton, the same parents are there for almost everything, the same parents donate time, energy, and money for their children. The same is true with Elk Konnect, LLC, or any organization in Elk County. If people see that you will help, they tend to ask you to help, if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer.

As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up. They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 11:54:07 AM
Again, I will state this: Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here. I know this for a fact. Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard, and sure it's probably the same at Longton, the same parents are there for almost everything, the same parents donate time, energy, and money for their children. The same is true with Elk Konnect, LLC, or any organization in Elk County. If people see that you will help, they tend to ask you to help, if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer.

As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up. They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!

You said, ”Most of the people that volunteer are the same people around here.”  No one has questioned that at all. But the truth is there are those involved that do not live in Elk County, and that’s a fact. But is really of no concern right now.

You said, “Same is with parents that help with parties and events at the school in Howard.” First the school is not in Howard, the Howard city limits have not been moved yet. I am one of those parents that help with school stuff. The parents of students have always been helpful with school parties and events for years without the interference of Elk Konnected, LLC. So no credit there for Elk Konnected, LLC is there?

You said,” if you just sit by and complain or state uninformed facts, then they want ask, or if you volunteer.” Really is asking questions complaining? Is wanting to learn and know, about Elk Konnected, LLC complaining? You know, I received a complaint on here that I am too polite.

You said, “As for the school meeting that I was talking about where Elk Konnect set up.”  Don’t you mean that Public Squares Community, LLC ran the meeting. Did it consist of the same control method of the circle of chairs, and don’t sit with your friends, and don’t sit with your spouse? Don’t sit with your spouse, I find that demeaning, Elk Konnected, doesn’t believe I and my wife are capable of working together. What happened to their belief in strong families. That is just a means of divide and conquer. I will repeat nobody comes between me and my wife, nobody.

You said, “They had nothing to do with any decisions, they just were there to make sure the meeting was productive and that it ran smoothly. The school board was there also, and helped to run it. So, we sat in little circles and discussed things with other people, I found it very informative. It helped me see how people in other parts of the county felt about things. Plus, met new people!!” Apparently it was not very productive and they didn’t listen or they only had Elk Konnected, LLC people. Otherwise all the school money would not have been wasted having plans drawn up and waste of money on  a bond election would not have been necessary. The county voted a Resounding “NO!”, while Howard on the other hand voted, what 66% for it. That just seems to speak volumes of Elk Connected.

You said, “Plus, met new people!!”  I don’t need an organization to met new people, but if that is your nee more power to you. Be Happy.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2011, 12:21:50 PM
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be  interested and involved? May I ask why?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 12:54:33 PM
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be  interested and involved? May I ask why?

Diane, I wish you could just see the control by lollipops, and that Elk Konnected represents very few of the counties citizens. Why do you think they avoid answering questions and avoid being transparent? They would lose the control they appear to be pursuing, that's why? I don't know what their goal is, but they have spoke of the old guard and how it never accomplished anything. But you know what? I think Elk Konnected, LLC is the old guard with a new face.

If you were to study Public Square Community, LLC's web site I think you might come to the same conclusions. But again I must repeat this is just my opinion. And will remain so until there is a bunch of questions answered and there is transparency with in Elk Konnected, LLC. I am not a lemming, it's that simple.

You said, "Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?” Why do the county commissioners need a privately owned business to hold meetings for them? Especially on that has a commissioner proud to be a founding member of that organization. Why do we need the County Commissioners or County Government if we have a private organization running things. Refering to the list on page one of this thread,  “Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­ (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's)”  what’s next? Do away with Elected County Commissioners and County Government and let Elk Konnected, LLC run everything, because they hand out lollipops? I know they deny any responsibility for the list but, “The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories. Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:”. It’s the citizens that made the decisions. What citizens? Who were they? Why are they hiding? Everyone from Elk Konnected, LLC seems to be hiding? They say they are only suggestions, really. Where do actions come from, ideas and suggestions.

Do you find any problem with me trying to be polite as others have on this thread?

I don’t really have any answers, just questions? Who? What? Where? When? Why? And How? Perhaps you can help ask the questions and do a better job than I can. After all I was recently told on this thread I am a poor conversationalist. Your help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 23, 2011, 01:33:16 PM
Ross, you are still relatively new here and haven't been the target of some really nasty verbiage that some of us have. I understand why some are very cautious with you. They are not used to someone who can debate without rolling around in the gutter. I personally have been smeared any number of times to the point that it was suggested that my husband should beat me up and I should have my hand slammed in a door for having a difference of opinion.
   No, you have not been rude to me, but everyone has to decide for themselves what is offensive. As far as asking questions, I wouldn't know where to start. I haven't seen any "bread and circuses" except for  the usual hot dogs and " bean feeds" (to me that's a really funny name) that happen every year and are sponsored by the same people every year. Sometimes a hot dog is just a hot dog.  Perhaps that makes me an old foolish lady.  I tend to assume people are good and honest until something bad happens, which it rarely does. I'm afraid some of those who did stand up to help are feeling very threatened now and don't know how to handle it. The small but active groups that make projects go in any small community aren't used to feeling unappreciated. Especially the volunteers. As far as not representing many people...there aren't many people, period. Can't that also be said of turnouts when the politicians come to town? People don't show up,even though they could and should? That's just they way many people are. Don't bother them unless it's personal .
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
Quote from Ross:  "The six categories and order of priority are:.  "It's the citizen's that made the decisions.  What citizens?  Who are they?  Why are they hiding?"

"What citizens," indeed.  You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church.  Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens.  "Who are they?"  Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years.  "Why are they hiding?"  Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered.  You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear.  Selective hearing, I believe.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 02:59:34 PM
I don't believe in physical or verbal abuse and especially when it comes to women and children.

e food is good. We have a terrific yearly hog feed coming up and I go every year. It's the same small group that does it very year to raise funds. Each community has something going onby their own little groups and that is the greatest diversity in Elk County. The visiting with people is fun and the food is good. They don't go around writing letters of praise to themselves and I do believe each one of them knows they are appreciated by the attendance of people from through out the community.

You said, " As far as not representing many people...there aren't many people, period. Can't that also be said of turnouts when the politicians come to town? " We would have to assume that Elk Konnected, LLC is an elected or politically appointed organization to apply the same assumptions to a governing process not just visiting politicians. But you knoe I have been to two of those type meetings with visiting politicians and never heard a straight answer to anyones questions or concerns. You are right there are not many people but to say you represent the people of the community as a private company, well couldn't that be considered false advertising when you don't represent the majority. The company won't even name 100 members of Elk Konnected, LLC. out of a population of 3000. And no body accepts reponsibilty as a registered member for anything Elk Konnected, LLC does.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 03:02:58 PM
Quote from Ross:  "The six categories and order of priority are:.  "It's the citizen's that made the decisions.  What citizens?  Who are they?  Why are they hiding?"

"What citizens," indeed.  You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church.  Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens.  "Who are they?"  Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years.  "Why are they hiding?"  Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered.  You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear.  Selective hearing, I believe.
o own up to it.

That is just saying people are people? I can't accept that as an answer. Try names of registered members? What's difficult about that? If they really want to be the ones that save Elk County I would think they would be proud to own up to it. We can all use a few hero's, and give them the credit they are due.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 03:04:25 PM
I have to say words just get twisted every which way!! No, I guess your right about the school, it's not in Howard. But you know what I meant, not Longton school. Is that better?

I'm sorry Ross your not getting the direct information that you want. But by saying that Elk Konnect hands out lolly pops or whatever, is kind of rude to us people that added meetings that they have held. I went to the meeting to get information that was out there, to find out others opinions, and to discuss my concerns. Isn't that why we go to meetings? As for not sitting by my husband, well it's nice to talk to other adults, too. I love my husband, but I can discuss my concerns with him at home and he will me at home.

As for why the school bond didn't pass, its because it didn't. Yes, I voted for it. Why? Not to close the other schools, but to put money into a permenant place for my children to go to school not portables. I don't mind the portables at all, but to me they are a waste of money that could have been put into permanent classrooms. But that's my opinion. And no Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the school bond losing or it even being brought up. Money had all to do with it!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 03:11:20 PM
Amazing.  Absolutely amazing.  This thread has been running for almost a month, and the answers to a dozen or so questions are still not forthcoming.  Questions that have been posed clearly and directly as well as by gentle inference.  Questions that are neither difficult nor out of line considering that they generally involve the actions and involvements of government and or government officials in our lives.

Yet even so, responses have ranged from 1) assaults on the identities and place of residence of the questioners to; 2)  responses displaying complete ignorance of basic business structures and no concept of acceptable ethics in government to; 3)  exhaustive diatribes attempting to deflect the discussion away from the original questions into arenas of work done by volunteers to; 4) totally irrelevant personality contests.

Why?  Why is it so difficult for a community of people to see that simple questions are just that... simple questions?  We've heard that an LLC isn't really an LLC, even when records from the State of Kansas has been proffered as proof.  We've been told that EK has not taken government (taxpayer) money, when even their own newspaper prose and web presences indicate otherwise.  We've been told that these questions are somehow a personal attack on one individual, when in fact that feedback is solely a diversion from questions that any public official should not fear, unless they have something to hide.  

At every turn, we've been reminded of the great things the private LLC is accomplishing through adult and youth volunteers though none of those things have been proven to be in any way capable of growing Elk County in any significant way (economically or otherwise).  We've been rebuffed with volumes of hyperbole at the suggestion that a government official is (or was) at the founding core of a privately owned company that markets itself as soliciting community development input when such solicitation is the job of those who have been elected by the people and not some privately held company or outside consultant.  When the suggestion is made that such relationship smacks of collusion and conflict, the response seems to be that the ends justifies the means.  We've been told to ask our questions of the owners of the LLC, when it should be obvious that we don't have a clue as to who those members are.  Even Wilma, bless her heart, in her last post continues to present non answers as answers.

Could it be perhaps that this same ignorance of fact and willingness to accept & defend the status quo are really at the root of Elk County's weakening stance?  Have the citizens of Elk become so sheep like that they can be easily led in spite of seeing realistic questions that would have made their ancestors sit up and take serious notice?  Have our residents reached the point of being so accustomed to a daily dose of rhetorical pablum that they can no longer assimilate meat? Or is the answer that simple questions don't deserve direct answers?  

1.  Who is/are the originally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
2.  Who are the currently admitted members of the LLC?
3.  Is the LLC being taxed as a non profit or otherwise?
4.  How much taxpayer money has the LLC received either directly or through its' volunteer representatives?
5.  To what use has that money been placed?
6.  Why is the LLC acting as a de facto agent of the county commission to solicit public input on the usage of government revenues?
7.  Why would a commissioner say he "didn't want to listen to public bitching" when asked about getting public input from open government forums?
8.  Who negotiated for the county on the solicitation and placement of the Caney River Wind Project?
9.  What, if any, involvement did Elk Konnected, LLC (or any predecessor organization) have in solicitation of the Caney River project?
10.  What is Elk Konnected's long range plan for the development of Elk County & how will that development be accomplished?
11.  Why the lack of transparency of the formal structure of Elk Konected, LLC?

There's a summary of several of the questions asked.  It has been 600+ hours.  Are the real answers forthcoming?  Or shall we spend another month asking?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: ELK@KC on May 23, 2011, 03:11:39 PM
Quote from Ross:  "The six categories and order of priority are:.  "It's the citizen's that made the decisions.  What citizens?  Who are they?  Why are they hiding?"

"What citizens," indeed.  You can find them at every community event, at the school, at church.  Everywhere you go, you will find the citizens.  "Who are they?"  Your neighbors, lifelong members of Elk County, offspring of the citizens that have been keeping Elk County alive for many, many years.  "Why are they hiding?"  Because you continually hound them with questions that they have answered, not to your satisfaction maybe, but the questions have been answered.  You just refuse to hear what you don't want to hear.  Selective hearing, I believe.
Well said Wilma. I think Ross just wants some attention, maybe he wants to run for a political office, GOD forbid that. He is always making petty little remarks about the Perkins family, the Perkins Family have always worked hard for youth and community programs. They have been long time sucessful Ranchers, State Representative, business people on main street and have worked hard for the fair, 4-H and many other programs.
If Ross wanted answers to the questions that he repeats over and over he should go to the meetings where these questions could be addressed, the Elk County Forum is not the place, the answers shouldn't and won't be answered here. Why don't all of you quit even responding to his posts, totally ignore them, at least he wouldn't have the opportunity to just keep posting the same nothings over and over. Try it, everyone that is tired of it, just don't answer his posts.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 03:22:18 PM
I have to say words just get twisted every which way!! No, I guess your right about the school, it's not in Howard. But you know what I meant, not Longton school. Is that better?

I'm sorry Ross your not getting the direct information that you want. But by saying that Elk Konnect hands out lolly pops or whatever, is kind of rude to us people that added meetings that they have held. I went to the meeting to get information that was out there, to find out others opinions, and to discuss my concerns. Isn't that why we go to meetings? As for not sitting by my husband, well it's nice to talk to other adults, too. I love my husband, but I can discuss my concerns with him at home and he will me at home.

As for why the school bond didn't pass, its because it didn't. Yes, I voted for it. Why? Not to close the other schools, but to put money into a permenant place for my children to go to school not portables. I don't mind the portables at all, but to me they are a waste of money that could have been put into permanent classrooms. But that's my opinion. And no Elk Konnected had nothing to do with the school bond losing or it even being brought up. Money had all to do with it!!

You may opt to allow who ever you want to seperate you and your spouse. I and my spouse have a strong marriage and won't permit it. But even Elk Konnected, LLC says they are for strong family's who ever they are.

I'm not the least bit interested in what or who you or anyone else votes for, that is personal and private information.
I was jus saying the meeting Elk Konnected, LLC had for the school issue proved to be non-productive or it would have prevented the waste of all that money for drawings and voting. And there could have been repairs to the Moline school at considerably less cost, since part of the roof was still under warranty. There is an alternative to the portable buildings. Move the school superintendent to his principals office in the high school and remodel the District Office into a grade school. The district office can be right there in the high school.

But hey, that's getting off subject. Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 03:36:28 PM
Well said Wilma. I think Ross just wants some attention, maybe he wants to run for a political office, GOD forbid that. He is always making petty little remarks about the Perkins family, the Perkins Family have always worked hard for youth and community programs. They have been long time sucessful Ranchers, State Representative, business people on main street and have worked hard for the fair, 4-H and many other programs.

God bless em for it!

Now, why is Elk County near $1 million in debt on $2.4 million (give or take) in revenues?  Why have we been losing population like an eroding river bank for the last 10+ years?   Why do we see no business growth and new job opportunity here?  It seems that for all the efforts of a few successful, high profile folks, their efforts to grow this county have been a miserable failure. Unless you count the 3 to 6 new long term jobs that the wind farm will produce.  Oh wait, they had little to do with the solicitation & placement of that wind farm, or so we've been told.  Why do we pay among the highest, if not the highest, property taxes in Kansas.  Why is it 2011 and we still have residents hauling water to their farms?  Or is that crap Ross' fault too?


If Ross wanted answers to the questions that he repeats over and over he should go to the meetings where these questions could be addressed, the Elk County Forum is not the place, the answers shouldn't and won't be answered here. Why don't all of you quit even responding to his posts, totally ignore them, at least he wouldn't have the opportunity to just keep posting the same nothings over and over. Try it, everyone that is tired of it, just don't answer his posts.

I do believe he tried.  Maybe it's residents having listened to status quo supporters like you for years that provides answers to my questions above.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 03:43:45 PM
You go Patriot. Good job.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 03:52:04 PM
You go Patriot. Good job.

Much appreciated, but I need no accolades... I think I've figured out who the real "old guard" in this battle actually is!  A clue.. it isn't the wise leaders in Elk Falls who decided to make good use of their taxpayer's money.  It may be those who mooch grant money and free hot dogs under the guise of community enhancement and cheer the lollipop vendors.  Heck, it may be the lollipop vendors as well.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 23, 2011, 04:20:38 PM
Ross, do you really find that EK is somehow interfering? How?
I'm sorry you took the way the circle meeting was set up so personally. That is just one way of getting a sharing of ideas among several diverse groups. Otherwise they would tend to cluster in their own existing town groups and talk among themselves rather than talk to people from other towns. It is one way of sharing and cross pollinating ideas in a relatively short and efficient time. Do you really think only those who now live in Elk County should be  interested and involved? May I ask why?

I would have taken high offense of being forced to separate from my spouse if i had one.  This is a Known tactic since spouses tend to be like minded in most things to separate them so that they can get a different result or to water down the group that they are in.  If i had a wife,  No one, would come between us in any way whatsoever.  IF they tried, that would be declaring war.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 04:44:30 PM
Quote
This is a Known tactic since spouses tend to be like minded in most things to separate them so that they can get a different result or to water down the group that they are in.  If i had a wife,  No one, would come between us in any way whatsoever.  IF they tried, that would be declaring war.

I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!

as for it been goin for a month and no answers yet....most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on instead of  beatin a dead horse figurin it'll get up :P the flies are swarmin fellas....and it's startin to stink...dont think it's gettin up any time soon.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 04:51:41 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!

I doubt you would stand still for being told you couldn't sit with them if you chose to either.  Just doesn't seem to be you.. being ordered around by a stranger and such.  You seem more like one to be allowed to sit wherever you damned well please.  Am I wrong?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 05:28:07 PM
I doubt you would stand still for being told you couldn't sit with them if you chose to either.  Just doesn't seem to be you.. being ordered around by a stranger and such.  You seem more like one to be allowed to sit wherever you damned well please.  Am I wrong?

Yes you are right which is why you dont have much luck with me LOLOL

 I am also smart enough to understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not and feed each others paranoia until they come to the conclusion that "THEY are tryin to come between me and my spouse" I'm a wee bit more secure in my relationship than that! As for that matter if my relationship was so weak that it couldnt handle it then I got bigger problems than sittin in different groups!

So dont expect me to buy into your "evil" agenda theory cause it just dont hold water bud.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 05:31:26 PM
and thats all I got to say bout that.....got bigger fish to fry than these :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:37:28 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!

as for it been goin for a month and no answers yet....most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on instead of  beatin a dead horse figurin it'll get up :P the flies are swarmin fellas....and it's startin to stink...dont think it's gettin up any time soon.
You said, "most people woulda figured out by now that this AINT the place to get the "answers" yall want so bad and moved on"
So why do you keep coming back for more?
Didn't Mr. Elk Konnected  ELK@KC tell you not to?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:40:20 PM
I swear......If I was married to somebody who either WAS so weak-minded or thought I was so weak-minded that I couldn't leave their side to talk to somebody who might have a different opinion than mine I would just shoot myself or get a divorce!! I mean SERIOUSLY!!!

It's not about a weak mind it's about a strong marriage. Divorce would never be an option in our marriage. For Elk Konnected it's about divide and conquer not strong family's.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 05:45:14 PM
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally.  If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom?  Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:46:59 PM
Yes you are right which is why you dont have much luck with me LOLOL

 I am also smart enough to understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not and feed each others paranoia until they come to the conclusion that "THEY are tryin to come between me and my spouse" I'm a wee bit more secure in my relationship than that! As for that matter if my relationship was so weak that it couldnt handle it then I got bigger problems than sittin in different groups!

So dont expect me to buy into your "evil" agly aenda theory cause it just dont hold water bud.
You just crater to peer group pressure and defend it any old way you. can.
You said, "understand mixin people up to get some ideas flowin instead of little cliques who will just sit around and tell each other how RIGHT they are whether they are or not" That sounds exact like those so called Elk Konnected, LLC so called community conversations,  Good Job, I could not have said it better myself.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:49:42 PM
feed each others paranoia .
And your degree in psychiatry was earned when?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:51:26 PM
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally.  If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom?  Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.
Ha, ha now that funny. ROFLMBO
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 05:57:37 PM
A strong marriage can stand a couple of hours of separation occasionally.  If you can't bear to have your wife separated from you how does she ever go to a public bathroom?  Or do you stand at the door just in case she decides to bolt.

A strong adult community organizer would be able to let adults sit where they pleased.  This isn't about strong marriages but rather weak 'leaders'. Suggestions are one thing, but being told who you can not sit with is just wrong.  

Again... who are the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 05:58:39 PM
Ha, ha now that funny. ROFLMBO
I'm sorry, I got off subject. Let's see now, where were we.
Oh yea, Who is Elk konnected, LLC?
1.  Who is/are the originally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
2.  Who are the currently admitted members of the Elk Konnected, LLC?
3. We ar not asking who the volunteers are.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 06:00:59 PM
Now, I have to say, I don't think that is what she meant by that. It is nice to talk to others about things. If you went to this with your wife, and I guess you did, didn't you discuss this at home with her? This being whatever. As for always agreeing, nope we don't always see eye to eye, my husband and I. That is what makes are relationship interesting!! We can have a conversation and he will never know what I am going to say!! He had a different opinion then I did about the schools, and he could give one cent less about this conversation. And it's not that he don't care about Elk County, he just has more important issues on his plate. Like, hummm, making money, keeping sick calves alive, and many different issues that are more pressing then who are members of Elk Konnect.

Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking. Didn't really change my views at all about the organization. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 06:09:10 PM
Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking.

Care  to share the questions asked answers received?  Maybe you hold the keys!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 06:12:15 PM
Care  to share the questions asked answers received?  Maybe you hold the keys!

Maybe you could go ask the questions you want answered directly, just like Angie did.  Oh wait, that would mean you would lose your all important anonymity.  Guess you'll just have to send your lackey.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 23, 2011, 06:15:19 PM
Sorry, I feel that putting what I asked and what I recieved on here isn't the right thing to do. Charlie is right, you need to ask them yourself. I just feel like that is opening a can of worms that I don't need to open at this time. Got enough on my plate as it is!!! Plus you wouldn't like how and what I ask!! It was pretty straight to the point!!! Just like the answers to alot of your questions have been posted on here. Like who are members!!! Look at other post and you can answer that one! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 06:16:35 PM
Now, I have to say, I don't think that is what she meant by that. It is nice to talk to others about things. If you went to this with your wife, and I guess you did, didn't you discuss this at home with her? This being whatever. As for always agreeing, nope we don't always see eye to eye, my husband and I. That is what makes are relationship interesting!! We can have a conversation and he will never know what I am going to say!! He had a different opinion then I did about the schools, and he could give one cent less about this conversation. And it's not that he don't care about Elk County, he just has more important issues on his plate. Like, hummm, making money, keeping sick calves alive, and many different issues that are more pressing then who are members of Elk Konnect.

Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking. Didn't really change my views at all about the organization. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am so happy for you and your relationship. I and my spouse have our differences to and I do believe that makes us normal. However one thing we do agree on is no one will ever come between us. Our marriage is our's to make decisions together.

You said, "Not that I don't care, I got the answers that I wanted by going to a commissioner and asking." Wont you share?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 06:25:00 PM
Maybe you could go ask the questions you want answered directly, just like Angie did.  Oh wait, that would mean you would lose your all important anonymity.  Guess you'll just have to send your lackey.
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 06:33:34 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictitiuos name, I have stated my identity on here very often.  Often enough for your buddy Patriot to take it and publish a condensed version of my resume on here.  And, it is Patriot the quoted statement was aimed at, not you.  I have yet to see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 06:34:49 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.

S'ok Ross, It's talking about me.  You're just my lackey.  lol

Now, about those tax dollars EK isn't using....
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 06:38:13 PM
...I have yet of see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.

And it just drives you're butt to distraction, doesn't it? 

Now, who were the admitted members of EK at the time of its' filing of Articles of Organization with the Secretary of State?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 23, 2011, 06:41:23 PM
Ross......you seriously crack me up. You are SO full of bull

Wilma....he probly does stand by the door LOL!

As for crackin to peer pressure???? Are you serious? Peer pressure hasnt worked on me since KINDERGARDEN! Ask anybody round there who knows me LOLOLOLOL
 
I dont belong to ANY organizations....I'm what they call a free-agent ;) I go where I want when I want and talk to who I want about WHAT I want which is why I'm on here tweakin your nose....... cause it amuses me :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 06:50:58 PM
From you - And it just drives you're butt to distraction, doesn't it?

No, It just makes you look like a pompous ass!  (To at least 12 members of the Forum)

Thanks for the private message chuck.  But I'm sure I have little reason to be very concerned about what others think of the messenger.  It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting.

Now, how much taxpayer money has Elk Konnected received?  And what community growth has resulted?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 06:59:07 PM
Just like the answers to alot of your questions have been posted on here. Like who are members!!! Look at other post and you can answer that one! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I guess I missed the list of names of actual members and the list of names of donors. Would be kind enough to you show me where to look. Thanks.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 07:26:18 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictitiuos name, I have stated my identity on here very often.  Often enough for your buddy Patriot to take it and publish a condensed version of my resume on here.  And, it is Patriot the quoted statement was aimed at, not you.  I have yet of see anyone on here that is more protective of his true identity than the person behind the fictitious name Patriot.

Perhaps he is a figment of our imagination. Sorta Pretty Normal to Paranormal.
That's his privlidge per the forums rules, huh?
Back to the question who and what is Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 07:29:04 PM
I'm not hiding behind a fictious name.
Oop's I Oop’s I misspelled that. Fictitious. My bad.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 23, 2011, 07:58:23 PM
I wouldn't even have noticed it if you hadn't pointed it out.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 08:52:54 PM
It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting.  So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest.  You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.
.

 I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC.  You can't prove otherwise without all the following information.

1. Why the personal Family vendetta?  Are you secretly in love with Liz?

2. Why did you move to the highest taxed county in the state if you didn't want to pay the highest taxes in the state?

3. Why do want others names, addresses, business ties, financials  do not provide your own?

4.  How much tax do you pay?  If you even are a county citizen you must have paid something or you would not be complaining about the use of "your" money......oh that's right it isn't your money anymore after you pay for something.  That would make it your Loss.

5.  Why don't you provide any answers to the questions asked of you repeatedly?

6. Why can't your respect the office of commissioner?  You weren't elected to speak for anyone.  You will not even run for office.

7. How many kids in elk county had ever played soccer before elk konnected came in to being?

8.  How many professional plays did second graders have an opportunity to attend before elk connected?

9.  When in the history of Kansas has any group from  Moline, Longton, Grenola, and others come in mass to help clean up Severy before their Labor Day event?

10.  How does complaining but not offering a better  plan produce positive results?    You attack the county employees for incompetence , ignorance, and waste spending but offer no alternative " solution.". You attack civic leader for lack of transparency but you goals and futuristic vision are as clear as goat crap.

11.  You attack the unemployed in your posts bet defend enabling them if it defends you personal place on earth why the double standard?

12.  Why must there always be list of things you need to know? Are you writing a book?  A county journal?  An opus de Elk County?

13.  How is helping kids a poor choice?  You have children but yet you adamantly limit the youth of elk county to see more good than conflict, more positive then vote no, more you need it more than they do.

14. The meeting at the Moline was organized by the people of elk county for people of elk county.  Why do you question the ethics or integrity of those who reported back to the commissioners?  They are just as qualified to collect data and regurgitate it as you are minus  the negativity and end of days drama.  

15.  Have you tried to become a engaged member of elk county?  Utopia is a fictitious.  Build  something, hire somebody, pay some real taxes then Maybe there would be respect for your dribble.  To come here and bitch, gripe, and complain you will get a lot of resistance.  But then again trolls are solitary creatures.  You don't need community you have Loss and you can codependent with him.


16. Tell me the part in the bible of unpatriotic where you get to decide not the elected officials what county funds are allocated for?  


17.  How can you advocate smaller goverment but want to add a county manager?  Would a county manager working for free, do a good job or do you get what you pay for?   Surely you are not going to add to the county debt by using county dollars to hire for unproven position?


Have you ever seen the movie Up?  
I think you are an angry bird with a few chicks at your nest.  A snipe so to speak.  You are lost in the jungle.  We should sent a kid out snipe hunting to find you.    Carl Fredricson has nothing on you.


The moral of the story of the Movie:     Kevin is a girl.        The moral here: stop taking everything to the extreme.



 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 09:11:38 PM
.

 I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC.  You can't prove otherwise without all the following information.

1. Why the personal Family vendetta?  Are you secretly in love with Liz?

2. Why did you move to the highest taxed county in the state if you didn't want to pay the highest taxes in the state?

3. Why do want others names, addresses, business ties, financials  do not provide your own?

4.  How much tax do you pay?  If you even are a county citizen you must have paid something or you would not be complaining about the use of "your" money......oh that's right it isn't your money anymore after you pay for something.  That would make it your Loss.

5.  Why don't you provide any answers to the questions asked of you repeatedly?

6. Why can't your respect the office of commissioner?  You weren't elected to speak for anyone.  You will not even run for office.

7. How many kids in elk county had ever played soccer before elk konnected came in to being?

8.  How many professional plays did second graders have an opportunity to attend before elk connected?

9.  When in the history of Kansas has any group from  Moline, Longton, Grenola, and others come in mass to help clean up Severy before their Labor Day event?

10.  How does complaining but not offering a better  plan produce positive results?    You attack the county employees for incompetence , ignorance, and waste spending but offer no alternative " solution.". You attack civic leader for lack of transparency but you goals and futuristic vision are as clear as goat crap.

11.  You attack the unemployed in your posts bet defend enabling them if it defends you personal place on earth why the double standard?

12.  Why must there always be list of things you need to know? Are you writing a book?  A county journal?  An opus de Elk County?

13.  How is helping kids a poor choice?  You have children but yet you adamantly limit the youth of elk county to see more good than conflict, more positive then vote no, more you need it more than they do.

14. The meeting at the Moline was organized by the people of elk county for people of elk county.  Why do you question the ethics or integrity of those who reported back to the commissioners?  They are just as qualified to collect data and regurgitate it as you are minus  the negativity and end of days drama.  

15.  Have you tried to become a engaged member of elk county?  Utopia is a fictitious.  Build  something, hire somebody, pay some real taxes then Maybe there would be respect for your dribble.  To come here and bitch, gripe, and complain you will get a lot of resistance.  But then again trolls are solitary creatures.  You don't need community you have Loss and you can codependent with him.


16. Tell me the part in the bible of unpatriotic where you get to decide not the elected officials what county funds are allocated for?  


17.  How can you advocate smaller goverment but want to add a county manager?  Would a county manager working for free, do a good job or do you get what you pay for?   Surely you are not going to add to the county debt by using county dollars to hire for unproven position?


Have you ever seen the movie Up?  
I think you are an angry bird with a few chicks at your nest.  A snipe so to speak.  You are lost in the jungle.  We should sent a kid out snipe hunting to find you.    Carl Fredricson has nothing on you.


The moral of the story of the Movie:     Kevin is a girl.        The moral here: stop taking everything to the extreme.
Now all that is just down right nasty and ugly, are you sayig all this as an Elk Konnected, LLC representative? It just doesn't speak well of Elk Konnected, LLC does it? Let's play nice, Okay.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 09:12:32 PM
.I bet you started Elk Konnected,LLC.  You can't prove otherwise without all the following information...

There really is a deep end and I think you've finally gone off of it.  Of course, you could sue the LLC and issue a subpoena duces tecum for the records.  I think you know who the registered agent is.

And you started your rant by quoting me as saying, It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting.  So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest.  You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.

I posted only the first sentence.  How about at least being honest in your quotations.

Now, did Elk Konnected, LLC at some point really receive a $3,000 grant from the state of Kansas and divert the money to pay Mr. Woodbury and Public Square Communities, LLC instead of awarding it to some deserving student or some local program?  Or was the commissioner misunderstood at the recent commission meeting?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 23, 2011, 09:28:17 PM
I think Pat Riot has attempted a diversion by using ugly remarks that are terribly insulting to everyone on this thread.  I just don't see no reason to be that angry. Pat Riot perhaps you could muster an appology to all the good folks on this thread and even to Liz. Let's try to be decent and stay on subject. Thank you for considering this request.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 23, 2011, 09:34:02 PM
I foresee an apology from Patrick coming about as soon as the end of the never ending asking of the same questions by Ross and Patriot. 

Difference between Patrick and Ross/Patriot - Patrick is a little less polite with his accusations and insinuations.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 09:52:05 PM
There really is a deep end where i live and underemployment and I think you've finally gone off of it by i still want to play in your sandbox.  Of course, you could sue the LLC and issue a subpoena duces tecum for the records.  I think you know who the registered agent is.  The typical come here response sue, sue, sue.....

And you started your rant.  I rant , you roll, I rock, you are a troll.  by quoting me as saying, It's the blind & callous disregard for the message that's disconcerting.  So going after ignoring the message, attacking the messenger has been your 600 hour quest.  You could have day traded for half the time you have spent assigning blame for the counties financial woes and paid even my county tax bill let alone your pittance.

I posted only the first sentence but I'n my mind I was thinking all the rest and wondering how does he get into my head.  How about at least being honest in your or are they our quotations.

Now, did Elk Konnected, LLC at some point really receive a $3,000 grant from the state of Kansas and divert the money to pay Mr. Woodbury and Public Square Communities, LLC instead of awarding it to some deserving student or some local program?  Or was the commissioner misunderstood at the recent commission meeting?    

. No elkkonnected,llc did not divert any money from a school scholarship to pay Mr. Terry Woodbury and public. square Communities,LLC.  No student was harmed in the making on the LLC.  The grant was from the state of Kansas for development of rural communities.  If you would like to know how much scholarship money elk county has raised for students of the area it is somewhere in the area of $118,000.   I did see quite a few elk konnected evil doers giving scholarships at the banquet that seemed to forget was important enough to attend but it fails me as to your contribution to the graduating senior classes of elk county.  Surely your efforts greatly exceed those that you belittle, disrespect, and infer misdealings.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 10:00:13 PM

Isn't it intellectually dishonest to misquote someone intentionally?  Oh well.

Which Elk Konnected, LLC admitted member(s) officially sanction taxpayer funding requests made for its' sponsored functions?  Or are those making the requests also admitted members of the LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 10:16:40 PM
Q
Isn't it intellectually dishonest to misquote someone intentionally?  Oh well.

Which Elk Konnected, LLC admitted member(s) officially sanction taxpayer funding requests made for its' sponsored functions?  Or are those making the requests also admitted members of the LLC?
the one(s) with the need for the funding.  All admitted members are admitted members.  The other one is still in the closet.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 10:26:40 PM
Qthe one(s) with the need for the funding.  All admitted members are admitted members.  The other one is still in the closet.

More play on words and twisted head games.  And with a misleading nickname,too.  You, sir, are a truly interesting creature.  But I believe that most readers here are too smart to be fooled by such amateur silliness.


About that $118,000 you mentioned.  Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 23, 2011, 10:41:28 PM
About that $118,000 you mentioned.  Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?

I don't have a list of all the scholarships - but I do know that quite a few of them are from locally raised money, voluntarily given - some just this year, some from several years in the past. Fund raisers have been held throughout the year, as in years past, raising money for scholarships.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 10:44:14 PM
I don't have a list of all the scholarships - but I do know that quite a few of them are from locally raised money, voluntarily given - some just this year, some from several years in the past. Fund raisers have been held throughout the year, as in years past, raising money for scholarships.

I never said that local donations weren't part of the mix.  Was just inquiring as to the breakdown.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 10:46:17 PM
You, sir, are a truly interesting creature.  But I believe that most readers here are too smart to be fooled by such amateur silliness.
About that $118,000 you mentioned.  Was it really 'raised' as in from voluntary local donations, or was was it received in the form of a grant (read: taxpayer monies) of some kind?
 Every bit of the local money came from local sources.  

The state and national scholarships were additional to the local money.  It totaled $285,000.    They earn this much this year by getting good grades with no help from you or your vote no posse.  I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support.


It was a total for west elk only of$403,000.  I have no idea how much more was received my elk valley students I don't have any EV information.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 10:53:27 PM
 Every bit of the local money came from local sources.  

The state and national scholarships were additional to the local money.  It totaled $285,000.    They earn this much this year by getting good grades with no help from you or your vote no posse.  I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support.

It was a total for west elk only of$403,000.  I have no idea how much more was received my elk valley students I don't have any EV information.

First, thanks for the honest quote.

I have no doubt that local money was local money.  But how much of the 118K was local money?  And was that all through Elk Konnected, LLC.?

You said, "I can imagine what they could accomplish with some local support."  But I thought you said there was local support.  Which is it?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 23, 2011, 10:55:28 PM
Quote from AC/DC
 every bit of the local money came from local sources.



Damn boy---there's a political answer !! You got a future in politics 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 23, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from AC/DC
 every bit of the local money came from local sources.

Damn boy---there's a political answer !! You got a future in politics 

LMAO!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: pepelect on May 23, 2011, 11:30:49 PM
100% of the $118,000 was from a taxable entity.  None was from EK llc.  But an a lot of elk konnected supporters support and provide funding for the scholarships.  I could  name on one hand the number of scholarships any vote-no my money has ever sponsored, unless you count family.  You are always real quick to point out the nepotism.

Call Debbie Zellner if you are interested in sponsoring a scholarship.  I am sure she can give you every name of every scholarship, the amount given and the number of years that scholarship has been given, and who received what when.  

Local funds could come from local taxes. I would forgo a load of rock to put a kid in college.  It would be better spent than paying a salary for another layer of management like a county manager.  

What is $400,000 times 15 years?  

Why would we want to improve a school system that can educate to a level that national scholarships are the norm.  Why would reward the staff for such an accomplishment by freezing their pay?  Layoff the support staff.  Cut days of schools to more time off than on.  Fix ancient buildings do not improve technology.  There are no tech jobs no go back to the slate.  And chalk..  Laptops are a complete waste of tax dollars.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 06:57:11 AM
100% of the $118,000 was from a taxable entity.  None was from EK llc.

That's a start, I suppose.  If I understand what you are trying to say, the $118K was paid by another non-government entity (a person, company, partnership, etc.) other than EK, LLC.  I presume that party must wish to remain anonymous since you didn't identify the source.  That's great.

 But an a lot of elk konnected supporters support and provide funding for the scholarships.  I could  name on one hand the number of scholarships any vote-no my money has ever sponsored, unless you count family.  You are always real quick to point out the nepotism.

I'm sure a lot of people both affiliated and not affiliated with EK have given to any number of worthy causes.  People should be free to do with their personal funds whatever they wish.  I'm not sure what 'vote-no money' is, and I can't see how nepotism has any relevance in the content of this post.

Call Debbie Zellner if you are interested in sponsoring a scholarship.  I am sure she can give you every name of every scholarship, the amount given and the number of years that scholarship has been given, and who received what when.  

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.

Local funds could come from local taxes. I would forgo a load of rock to put a kid in college. 

If the community wants tax funds used in this way and such use does not detract from the primary functions of government.  As for your load of whatever... at $6-$8 a ton, a 15 ton load won't buy much education.  Moreover, I suspect many folks would say that infrastructure maintenance would be a priority over post-secondary education when it comes to the basic functions of government.

It would be better spent than paying a salary for another layer of management like a county manager.   

Unless having such a manager sufficiently enhanced operations so as to result in more efficiency and/or more effective use of existing resources.  Those who have studied management understand how the proper applications of the functions of management by utilizing effective scope and delegation can vastly improve the performance of an organization.

What is $400,000 times 15 years?  

$6 Million.  Your point?

Why would we want to improve a school system that can educate to a level that national scholarships are the norm.  Why would reward the staff for such an accomplishment by freezing their pay?  Layoff the support staff.  Cut days of schools to more time off than on.  Fix ancient buildings do not improve technology.

I don't believe anyone here has advocated disassembling the primary & secondary school systems.  However, I think many would say that much of the money put into the primary & secondary educational systems could be better used (i.e. paying more to quality teachers, providing more for quality classroom supplies & equipment, and less to bloated administrator salaries).

There are no tech jobs no go back to the slate.  And chalk..  Laptops are a complete waste of tax dollars.

The rest of your statement lacks sufficient coherence to warrant any response other than to say that additional spending for the development of good communication skills (like grammar, punctuation & thought development) might be warranted in some cases.

This is progress, I think.  Can you enlighten us as to the tax status of Elk Konnected, LLC?  Has it elected to be taxed as a corporation, partnership or sole proprietorship?  Is it organized for profit?  Is it classified as a tax exempt entity under Internal Revenue Section 501(c)(3)? 

I, for one, am excited to hear from an official spokesperson from Elk Konnected, LLC.  You are an official spokesperson for the LLC, right?


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 07:17:50 AM
Difference between Patrick and Ross/Patriot - Patrick is a little less polite with his accusations and insinuations.

No, sorry I have to disagree with you that just lacked any kind of class and was just plain nasty and ugly.
Sounded a whole lot like a high school bully.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 08:01:45 AM
An E-mail from the Kansas Department of Commerce to myself. Kansas Department of Commerce does operate on tax payers dollars.

 Ross,

I found out that our agency provided a one-time $3,000 “scholarship” to Elk Konnected   in September of 2008.  Upon receipt of a required report, these types of contributions were available to communities/counties to help them with the cost of participating in Public Square.   

I hope this helps.  Commerce has no control over the projects or initiatives that arise from the sessions conducted between Public Square & Elk Konnected.  It’s basically community driven from what I understand.  However I’m not an expert on it but I have sat in on multiple sessions in other communities.  Again, you might visit with Elk Konnected reps. if you disagree with any of their goals or objectives. 

Thanks,

Craig
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 08:04:52 AM
Public Square Community Development
Grant Amount:
$178,000.00
Grant Cycle:
Approved Date:
Thursday, January 28, 2010
Duration (months): 36

http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/public_square_community_development

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 08:07:15 AM
County Day Camp
Grant Amount:
$13,522.00
Grant Cycle:
Spring 2009
Approved Date:
Monday, May 4, 2009
Duration (months):
1
Grant Purpose:
To support a six-week summer day camp experience for first through sixth grade students that teaches good nutrition and the importance of physical activity.
Grantee:
Elk County

http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/county_day_camp
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 08:13:53 AM
Grants from the Kansas Health Association are not Taxpayers dollars, at least not directly.
Elk County Wellness Center
Grant Amount:
$19,900.00
Grant Cycle:
Fall 2009
Approved Date:
Thursday, October 29, 2009
Duration (months):
2
Grant Purpose:
will support a wellness center for residents of Elk and Greenwood counties by funding the purchase of exercise equipment. The center also plans to provide information about healthy eating and a variety of fitness classes for all ages.
Grantee:
Elk County Community and Education Foundation
http://www.kansashealth.org/grantmaking/grants/elk_county_wellness_center
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 08:21:00 AM
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements? Elk Konnected got grant money for day camps for the kids in the summer. Have your kids never gone to them? They are really nice things for the kids that the kids enjoy, and they also learn things!!! Oh, My we wouldn't want our kids to learn things in the summer!!! That wouldn't be good!! I for one, push my kids into summer school if they have an area that I feel they are lacking in. Why not, gives them something else to do and learn!!

I think what it all boils down to is you want to know who the members were at the time of the start and when LLC went into the name. I still think that it is in this post somewhere. Like the founding members, I think the names were there.

Patrick, your right about the ballet that the 2nd grade went to, I know I would have never thought of taking my girls to it. I helped at it this year, and also talked to Mr. Galvan's daughter. He was the one responsible for starting taking the kids to this. She and there whole family are big contributors to improving Elk County. The production was amazing!! I myself have never been!! I volunteered my time and helped at the event seat children and got to see it!! Well, worth the little time it took to seat the kiddos!!


I'm kind of self serving you know, but I want my children to have opportunities that I didn't have, like the soccer, the ballet, and other things.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 09:31:43 AM
If you’ve been to a public meeting lately, you will see the meeting is run by a man or woman who is not really part of the group in an “official” capacity. They are called “facilitator.” his/her job is to bring the group to “consensus,” which means there is not to be debate or disagreement. The policy or project or program on the table is not discussed in detail so that the group can judge the item on its merits and vote on it. In fact, if you begin to question the policy, or ask who the facilitator represents, or in general show signs of disagreement, the facilitator quickly loses his/her charm and begins to describe you to the group as “uncooperative” or a troublemaker who is wasting the group’s time. There is never a vote on the issue. Instead, the group somehow reaches “consensus.”
-Tom DeWeese

You can find redcliffsw's full post in another thread in the politics forum, but this part fits very well here.  Groupthink, anyone?  Consider these things as you ponder past & future 'community discussions'.  I'll await responses to this labeling me as 'uncooperative', uncaring or just not with the group.  Sometimes a forest is better seen when you're not surrounded by the trees.

Now, who exactly is Elk Konnected, LLC, and why have they hired Public Square Communities, LLC, and just who the heck is Mr. Woodbury?   Why do you need an outside 'facilitator' to have a discussion, and why is intimate relations with county government one of their earmarks?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 09:40:11 AM
That sounds just like high school peer group pressure with a bully running the show by calling the sheriff.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 09:50:32 AM
That sounds just like high school peer group pressure with a bully running the show by calling the sheriff.

Yeah... but in our case 10% (more or less) of the population came to a consensus (under the professional facilitation of a stranger) about what should be done with money paid to the county on behalf of 100% of the population.  That's what matters, right?.. Consensus of the few for the good of the many.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 10:03:20 AM
You can find redcliffsw's full post in another thread in the politics forum, but this part fits very well here.  Groupthink, anyone?  Consider these things as you ponder past & future 'community discussions'.  I'll await responses to this labeling me as 'uncooperative', uncaring or just not with the group.  Sometimes a forest is better seen when you're not surrounded by the trees.

Now, who exactly is Elk Konnected, LLC, and why have they hired Public Square Communities, LLC, and just who the heck is Mr. Woodbury?   Why do you need an outside 'facilitator' to have a discussion, and why is intimate relations with county government one of their earmarks?


It is a good read.
I didn't understand what was really going on at the so called community meeting's except control and especially when I tried to talk with the man from Wsahington County. He said he would talk with me outside, but not in front of the community.  When, I asked why not in front of the community he simply called for the sheriff.  This article explains why that happened. I was not disruptive and I was very polite. When he called for the sheriff I politely turned and walked out before the sheriff's deputies arrived. I was not argumentative. But I guess with a control factor asking questions is considered argumentative.

I haave learned something new today.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
PLAIN B-SSSSSSS!!! That's not how the meeting went that I attended. And Patriot your twisting words!! Because if that is the case, we would have a new school here right now!!!! The wind farm conversation was just that, a conversation. We, Elk County, does not even have the money. I believe that what will be done with the money is they will pay off debt, I could be wrong, but I do know the county commissioners and have faith that they will do what is best for all.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 10:31:33 AM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm

Goals:

Youth Development

establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community

Physical Image

create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image

Community Wellness

create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network 

Community Standards

establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community 

Communication

Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons

 

For information contact:    Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 11:03:13 AM
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/elkco.htm

Goals:

Youth Development

establish a coordinated youth development program in the Elk Konnected community

Physical Image

create a coordinated, six-community appreciation day to clean up our physical image

Community Wellness

create the infrastructure for a community wellness and enrichment network 

Community Standards

establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community 

Communication

Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons

 

For information contact:    Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127

You posted, "establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community  "  By what authority does Elk Connected, LLC have to enforce anything? Is the sheriff department part of Elk Konnected, LLC? Does Elk Konnected, LLC control our local governments.

You posted, " For information contact:    Liz Hendricks, County Commissioner, 620/330-2428
Richard Fish, Howard State Bank, 620/374-2127 " We were todl right here on this forum that the name Richard Fish on the LLC meant nothing. None of them will come forward and say they are registered members of Elk konnected, LLC.

I'll ask them right now, please, won't you folks come forward and engage in a conversation with all of us Elk County citizens here on the forum? Let's see what happens, Okay?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 11:15:51 AM
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements?

My sincerest apology for getting off subject. It just shows tons of money for Elk Konnected, LLC, so why do they need Elk County tax monies that could be used to pay down the county debt or used by the individual communities. Is Elk Konnected, LLC just greedy who ever they are? Who are they? Why won’t they engage with county citizens on this forum?  I believe PCS tells them to engage the community. This forum is just as much a community as Elk Konnected, LLC claims they are, maybe more so.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 11:20:43 AM
PLAIN B-SSSSSSS!!! That's not how the meeting went that I attended. And Patriot your twisting words!! Because if that is the case, we would have a new school here right now!!!! The wind farm conversation was just that, a conversation.

My goodness, what a reaction.  Yes, there was a 'conversation'.  But even a child could see that the 'discussion' was held in a forum and a format that is almost exactly as described in red's post, and the reported 250 attendees would represent something less than 10% of the 2800 residents in Elk County.  I'm sorry you can't see that.  Maybe there was some sort of open democratic debate about the various 'suggestions' and a vote to determine the group consensus that I didn't hear about.

I believe that what will be done with the money is they will pay off debt, I could be wrong, but I do know the county commissioners and have faith that they will do what is best for all.

I never said they wouldn't.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 24, 2011, 11:44:47 AM
Ok, now who is off topic??? So, what's your point Ross on your statements? Elk Konnected got grant money for day camps for the kids in the summer. Have your kids never gone to them? They are really nice things for the kids that the kids enjoy, and they also learn things!!! Oh, My we wouldn't want our kids to learn things in the summer!!! That wouldn't be good!! I for one, push my kids into summer school if they have an area that I feel they are lacking in. Why not, gives them something else to do and learn!!


DAYUM  I must be stupid or something.  I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 11:56:39 AM
DAYUM  I must be stupid or something.  I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time

Which fits socialism, welfare, handouts. It's free???
Just another way to use kids as a tool to reach some private goal.
Oop's my bad.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 11:58:01 AM
DAYUM  I must be stupid or something.  I paid out of pocket for over 18 years for my 4 kids to go to camp, of which 12 of those years that was 4 kids at the same time

SUCKER!!!  (http://www.websmileys.com/sm/violent/sterb035.gif)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 12:16:57 PM
  Good god, you all are STILL beatin that dead horse?  ::)

  startin to look like the patriot/ross/red/steve PONY show......with ONE ring
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 12:22:24 PM
 Good god, you all are STILL beatin that dead horse?  ::)

Yup.  Cuz it ain't really dead yet.  Just playin opossum.  BTW, it's not really a horse, that was just the group consensus.  Grab a seat in ring 1 and watch.   Or don't.  ;D

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 24, 2011, 12:24:39 PM
Ok, Steve, whatever. I pay for my kids to go to camps during the summer, too. It's like mrsc says, beating a dead horse. Everytime I post something, it's a total slam!! Just like your sucker remark!! Have a wonderful day in your neighbor hood of fairy tales!!!!!!! Or whatever world you all live in!! GOOD BYE!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 12:28:47 PM
Just like your sucker remark!!

That was my remark, and it didn't involve you at all.  Sheesh.  I think that maybe you're just a bit out of touch with the flow here.

 Now, how much does Public Square charge, and how much is paid with grant money (taxpayer dollars)?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 12:30:12 PM
Yup.  Cuz it ain't really dead yet.  Just playin opossum.  BTW, it's not really a horse, that was just the group consensus.  Grab a seat in ring 1 and watch.   Or don't.  ;D



Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....Only thing is they aint watchin cause they think you're right OR have any good points...they're WATCHIN cause yall are actin the fool and they wanna see how long yall can chase your tail before you turn into butter!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 12:33:00 PM
now I'm gonna go play outside  ;D  be back with some toast and jelly later  ;)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 12:35:07 PM
Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....Only thing is they aint watchin cause they think you're right OR have any good points...they're WATCHIN cause yall are actin the fool and they wanna see how long yall can chase your tail before you turn into butter!
Oo, yer brilliant, ya can read everyones mind.
Can ya read my mind? Try, then scroll down for the answer.









Why won't Elk Konnected, LLC come out of the closet?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 12:35:32 PM
Iffin y'all say so, it must be so.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 24, 2011, 12:37:31 PM
Iffin y'all say so, it must be so.

LOL! ;D  ayyyiigghhtt!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 24, 2011, 12:41:17 PM
Ok, Steve, whatever. I pay for my kids to go to camps during the summer, too. It's like mrsc says, beating a dead horse. Everytime I post something, it's a total slam!! Just like your sucker remark!! Have a wonderful day in your neighbor hood of fairy tales!!!!!!! Or whatever world you all live in!! GOOD BYE!!!

Well quite frankly USING TAX DOLLARS to send your kid on a vacation is highly offensive!   The rest of us folks have to work and pay for our kids to go to camp.  Same thing should be of everyone.  IF a private organization such as a church wishs to help out kids whose parents cannot afford to pay for the camp, then kool. More power to em.  But spending money stolen from workers to pay for someone elses kids to go to camp is a outrage and offense
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 24, 2011, 12:42:01 PM
now I'm gonna go play outside  ;D  be back with some toast and jelly later  ;)

Home made butter is 3.50 a lb.  got it right here in the freezer.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 12:43:33 PM
Oh HELL dude...everybody is watchin....yall got all the attention you could ever want! Just look at the top.....
Is that why Elk Konnected, LLC won't be engaged in conversation?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 02:11:25 PM
Hi newst member suemadison852
I have family named Madison in Kansas City. Oh, I know it's a big world shrunk by the internet but I have had similar
occassions clear across the country. do you have family in KC?

I lived just a mile from a relative in Washington state for several years before I found out they were there.
So ya just never know.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 24, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
Ross, the proper place for greeting new members is in the Welcome New Members thread in another category.

Or are you just trying to change the subject?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 02:40:22 PM
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread.  Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 03:07:50 PM
Ross, the proper place for greeting new members is in the Welcome New Members thread in another category.

Or are you just trying to change the subject?
Well, thank you I didn't know.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 03:09:01 PM
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread.  Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.
Oh, get a grip.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: frawin on May 24, 2011, 03:57:22 PM
Maybe we should change the subject on this thread.  Might be a nice change of pace from the daily dose of drivel we've had for a month now.

Charlie, I think many if not most of the forum participants would agree with you. The repeated nothings over and over are really getting old and accomplish absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 04:05:03 PM
Charlie, I think many if not most of the forum participants would agree with you. The repeated nothings over and over are really getting old and accomplish absolutely nothing.
There surely quite a bit of truth in what is asked and said because you keep coming back for more.
If i felt the way you do about this thread I simply wouldn't return.
Do you know who the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC are?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: frawin on May 24, 2011, 04:11:32 PM
No, I don't and I don't really care except to thank them for all the work and effort they have and do put into it. Ross, can't you see that the Forum is not the place for the answer you want. You are not going to get the answer to your question here.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 04:22:17 PM
No, I don't and I don't really care except to thank them for all the work and effort they have and do put into it. Ross, can't you see that the Forum is not the place for the answer you want. You are not going to get the answer to your question here.
Thank the volunteers, they deserve it, they do what their told to do by Elk Konnected, LLC But who is Elk Konnected, LLC. . But we are asking about an organization that only prints letters that pat them selves on the back. Elk Konnected, LLC holds public community conversations only with the aid of an outsider, who is a facilitator, educated in the control of people. Place them in a circle of chairs and limit who they can talk with and what they can talk about. But they really don't want to be public themselves. You seem to be an expert on Elk Konnected, LLC so tell us Who is Elk Konnected registered members not the volunteers? This forum appears to be more of a community than Elk Konnected, LLC does.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 04:39:21 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers.  Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end.  They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).  

The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty.  Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011.  Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink.  If they float, they're guilty of evil doings.  If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.

Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 24, 2011, 04:53:52 PM
Ross, good facilitators do not "control"people in the sense you mean.They do set ground rules for meetings and workshops. If none of the original EK people had any experience in being a true facilitator, it would make sense to bring one in and I suspect that is part of what Public Square was asked to do. I've been ducking around this but that is exactly what one on my jobs was for many years for the State of Delaware and The American Heart Association. I taught "Train the Trainer" classes among other things.  I facilitated work shops for teachers in fire safety, particularly in how to incorporate fire safety into their existing curricula rather than a stand alone class.  They were always group sessions conducted much like the EK conversations. I had an advantage though because they were very homogeneous groups. All teachers. No, they were not all from public schools either. Please look up "Facilitator" and find Facilitator 101,Roles of Effective Facilitators from the banner Curriculum. It will explain the 80/20 rules and why questions that are off the subject are not entertained. If someone had asked my family history at one of my work shops I would have made arrangements to talk to them later or after the session. More later, OK City has a tornado right now, go keep an eye out and be safe.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 04:59:46 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers.  Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end.  They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them). 

The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty.  Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011.  Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if the float or sink.  If they float, they're guilty of evil doings.  If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.

Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Wow! What a fiction story writer you'd make. We are not accusing anyone of anything. Simply asking who is the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC and why do they continue to deny using taxpayers dollars especially right after an Elk Konnected, LLC volunteer had just asked for tax payers money just before being asked.

The Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. What a hoot!

you said, "This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!"
Now that's funny, where are the witches to be found, do you know some. We are not out to prove anyting. Just asking who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members and why won't they have a conversation. Is it perhaps because they don't have the man from Wichita County available to control the conversation.

Why are you so upset by a few questions, so upset as to tell us to go away.

You said, "prove something or shut the hell up already!" Is that Elk konnected, LLC talking?
Is this you Forum? Who are you to give orders?

You might try being nice, it's good for the heart. Perhaps your preacher can give you some guidance onbeing nice.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 24, 2011, 05:05:31 PM
Quote
Wow! What a fiction story writer you'd make. We are not accusing anyone of anything. Simply asking who is the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC and why do they continue to deny using taxpayers dollars especially right after an Elk Konnected, LLC volunteer had just asked for tax payers money just before being asked.

The Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011. What a hoot!

you said, "This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!"
Now that's funny, where are the witches to be found, do you know some. We are not out to prove anyting. Just asking who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members and why won't they have a conversation. Is it perhaps because they don't have the man from Wichita County available to control the conversation.

Why are you so upset by a few questions, so upset as to tell us to go away.

You said, "prove something or shut the hell up already!" Is that Elk konnected, LLC talking?
Is this you Forum? Who are you to give orders?

You might try being nice, it's good for the heart. Perhaps your preacher can give you some guidance onbeing nice.

. . . lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face

It just writes itself, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 06:04:18 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers.  Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end.  They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).  

The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty.  Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011.  Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink.  If they float, they're guilty of evil doings.  If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.

Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!

If this were a trial at law, you would be quite right.  It's not.  Witch trial?  I think not. The court of public opinion possibly.  Thank you for your judgments.  I've received several opposing judgments privately from folks who prefer not to be falsely demonized as witch hunters and the like. Just simple questions on a public forum in a free country. If our questions bother you there is no requirement to read them.

As I reread your post, I wonder... how exactly do you define lambasting?  Would "prove something or shut the hell up already!" qualify?

Now, is Elk Konnected, LLC a non profit?



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 24, 2011, 06:06:41 PM
It just writes itself, doesn't it?

Apparently so.  Please see your previous post at  04:39:21 pm today.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 24, 2011, 06:49:04 PM
This thread is a riot. Guess different people read/post on it for different reasons. Some because they seek answers---some because they just like seeing people squirm in their seats ---some to see replies where certain parties "think" they speak for the masses and "try" to show how smart and well educated they are. I just know if I hated it as bad as some of you" say" you do, then I wouldn't read any of it. I think Pam has bigger kahones than a couple that do most of the whine assing. At least ol Pam will tell y'all she reads it for the humor. Hell if they started a thread about house cats I wouldn't even read it unless it gave recipes for cooking them-------but I would not tell y'all to shut up because I don't like that particular thread
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Sarge on May 24, 2011, 08:40:53 PM
. I just know if I hated it as bad as some of you" say" you do, then I wouldn't read any of it.

You are absolutely correct  tarhe-uh- I mean jarhead.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 09:43:06 PM
It just writes itself, doesn't it?
Everyone knows fiction is a figment of your imagination. Being angry just isn't good for a person's well being. Be Happy.
But you don't know anything about Elk Konnected either, do you?
Or, do you know who the registered members are?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 24, 2011, 10:26:24 PM
ok Ross and Patriot:
Perhaps it is a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme that works on the communities.
I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude, and I actually think  and believe you are intelligent gentlemen....I refer back to my very first post, in my concern as to your insessant questioning....it won't nor perhaps cannot be answered here.
 
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up.  And your commissioner is on that group.
Now, since I am not quite so doubtful as to the intent of that group....they seem to have the same methods...or agenda as you would say in all the counties that have praised them. 
Now, that being said....you are so insessant as to finding out who is the core, the status of exemption and how did they get their money...well frankly you have a lot of insessancies/needs for answers.

I understand your concern that there may be inpropiatey (help sp Wilma) here. 
I understand your frustation at asking "just come clean folks".
It almost borderlines at someone asking, "OK...who put that poop on my door??" 
Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking.
Why????   Because your arms seem to be honestly flailing...

I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude. 
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 24, 2011, 10:33:26 PM
I understand there is an Umbrella of Elk Konnected LLC with Public Square directed underneath it. 
Connect the dots.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 24, 2011, 11:02:54 PM
ok Ross and Patriot:
Perhaps it is a Ponzi/Pyramid scheme that works on the communities.
I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude, and I actually think  and believe you are intelligent gentlemen....I refer back to my very first post, in my concern as to your insessant questioning....it won't nor perhaps cannot be answered here.
 
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up.  And your commissioner is on that group.
Now, since I am not quite so doubtful as to the intent of that group....they seem to have the same methods...or agenda as you would say in all the counties that have praised them. 
Now, that being said....you are so insessant as to finding out who is the core, the status of exemption and how did they get their money...well frankly you have a lot of insessancies/needs for answers.

I understand your concern that there may be inpropiatey (help sp Wilma) here. 
I understand your frustation at asking "just come clean folks".
It almost borderlines at someone asking, "OK...who put that poop on my door??" 
Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking.
Why????   Because your arms seem to be honestly flailing...

I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude. 
Ready
You said, "I would say 'tin foil hat' however that would be rude" No, I think I'll grab the tin foil before I go to bed. LOL

You said,"The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up.  And your commissioner is on that group." I think you misunderstood. The group in question Elk Konnected, LLC. Public Square Communities, LLC is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. You are right our County Commissioner is a staff member with Public Square Communities, LLC and probably with a pay check from them which if true causes further conflict of interest. Now can you understand why they don't want to answer questions publicly?

You said, "in all the counties that have praised them" How do you know the counties praise them? If the rest of them are like Elk Konnected they write their own praises just as our County Commissioner who claims to be the founding member of Elk Konnected and is a staff member of Public Square Community, LLC has done. She wrote the letter as Elk County Commissioner and as if she had no connection to Elk Konnected, LLC. Perhaps now you understand why they don't want to engage publicly in a conversation and only want totally controlled conversations.

You said, "Well, frankly no one will admit...although it is true, it is real, and no one is talking." I just explained why in the previous paragraph. But we are talking and we are being heard loud and clear. That's why we are told very impolitely to shut the hell up.

You said, "I am not here to berate you, nor to be rude." And I believe that. Your input is greatly appreciated by me. Keep it up. Oh, shoot I'm being too polite again. LOL That's what they tell me.

I'm tired so Good night.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 25, 2011, 08:12:10 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 08:29:32 AM
impropriety?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 25, 2011, 08:42:45 AM
  LOL Jar......now that was funny  ;D

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 08:47:04 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.

The teacher doesn't officially have a say in how 2 to 3 million dollars of other folks tax money is spent (or misspent).  While you may not agree on the point of conflict of interest, you may be missing the bigger picture.  How long did it take you to conclude that an LLC is a legally formed and state registered & sanctioned business?  

Our council members don't abstain from voting.  These things aren't about little league ballgames or trash pickup.  These things are ultimately about corruption, stagnant community growth, and manipulation of the public, and these not between private parties, but between the public and government.  No less so than we see at the national level.  This isn't about the kids.  It's about the grown ups.  It's about jobs.  It's about businesses.  It's about roads.  It's about big money, special interests, political ideology, it's about a shrinking county whose well treated children have nothing to stay for when the leave school.  It's about lipstick on pigs.

I hope you, and others, will someday realize that this is about seeing our world through adult eyes, not the dreamy visions of kids at an after school movie or a taxpayer funded ballgame.  We live in a grown up world, and our kids end up living with (or paying for) the choices we make today.  I happen to think this county has been making some poor choices for many years under the same leadership and same leadership ideology.  It's time to change course.  It's time for real honest growth, not just a bumper sticker slogan.  It's time to be grown ups in a grown up world.  Government should to work for all the people, all the time.  It needs to make wise decisions that lead to long term growth for the majority of the citizens that it represents.  It doesn't need to sub-contract our future to community organizers and men with brooms.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 10:21:54 AM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
Wae wre talking about an elected person, big difference
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 10:28:17 AM
Wae wre talking about an elected person, big difference

Hey evil twin!  Put your glasses on and fix that quote, will ya!  lol
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 10:31:13 AM
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 10:33:23 AM
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."

Your assumption that we're not getting results is flawed.  If only you knew.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: ELK@KC on May 25, 2011, 10:50:23 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: greatguns on May 25, 2011, 11:01:35 AM
Out of whose Hand?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 11:03:40 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.

None of the above. While I may often agree with them, we do surely disagree as gentlefolk on some things.

Now, can you debate the political issues, or do you also have an obsession with background gossip, personal identities and underwear styles?  

Did an elected public official hire or influence the hiring of an professional non-resident community organizer (by a private company) to obtain public input and thereby attempt to influence government?  If so, was that done with the knowledge of all three commissioners and the consent of at least 2 by recorded vote?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 11:22:13 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
That has definitly got to be an out right lie. I won't do it behind closed doors, I'll tell you right here right now he is not. He is Patriot and no one else. Perhaps Elk Konnected plays those games but we do not.

Get a life. And try harder next time to be truthful.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 11:23:53 AM
 Shedding our rights is not patriotic.

We should live as freemen and women to pursue our care for our families, our talents, skills, HEALTH and interests without interference of an organization of a few people claiming they know what is best for us in the public squares of our community. And they themselves won’t be public.

Here is another deception: “Public Square Communities are vibrant communities which are recognized, linked and elevated – locally, regionally and nationally.”


If they are so vibrant why are they going to Public Square Communities, LLC.
Elevated?? How??? By belonging to and paying to belong to Public Square Communities, LLC’s private little club of 15 customers. Oop’s 16 customers they just added another desperate customer.
locally, regionally and nationally???  How??? By writing themselves letters praising themselves???


“Public Square engages all four sectors of the community: Business, Education, Government and Human Services”






Definition of ENGAGE
transitive verb : to offer (as one's word) as security for a debt or cause

aobsolete: to entangle or entrap in or as if in a snare or bog b: to attract and hold by influence or power c: to interlock with : to bind (as oneself) to do something

: to provide occupation for : involve <engage him in a new project> b: to arrange to obtain the use or services of : hire <engage a lawyer>

: to hold the attention of : engross <her work engages her completely> b: to induce to participate <engaged the shy boy in conversation>

: to enter into contest or battle with <engage the enemy> b: to bring together or interlock (weapons)

: to deal with especially at length

con·ver·sa·tion
noun \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\
Definition of CONVERSATION
1
obsolete: conduct, behavior

a (1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an informal discussion of an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or groups  c: an exchange similar to conversation
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 25, 2011, 11:29:41 AM
Quote from ELK@KC
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.
 

Now that's some funny crap. I will tell you I know ol Sarge pretty good and can tell you the big dummy is a moron, so that leaves him out of the mix. And me ? Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot,I'm not.( can't wait to see what ol Sarge has to say about my "superior intellect"---but it will be a lie ). This reminds me of an old TV show---will the real Patriot,please stand up. We need to ask the Shadow--he/she knows everything!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 11:40:40 AM
..Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot...

You do?  uhhhh...Oh yeah, you do. lol  But Sarge is pretty smart, too.  I heard he once made correct change at that mini mart where you told me he works the graveyard shift on Tuesday nights.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 11:48:08 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.

On a second note.. While I was called 'sarge', I was in the Air Force, and if you know any thing at all about military rivalry, that should clear up any misconceptions about identities.  <looking to Sarge n Jarhead>  Right ladies?   ;D

About those political matters..........
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 25, 2011, 11:54:01 AM
So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished? Satisfaction from squelching a community effort?
 Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum. Many ideas were bounced around several years ago. One of the biggest was rural water. Suppose a big industry wanted to expand to where things are cheaper, people would work cheaper, raw materials in and finished product out cheaper, there would have to be huge changes. Water, electricity, gas, roads ,transportation, reliable infrastructure, no tornadoes. Why go there when there are so many other places ahead of you? Somehow you have to reinvent yourselves and advertise and make deals to attract $$$ And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either. How about a big private prison? An artist colony? An authors retreat? Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale? Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there? Do you want tourists or not? We've talked about ideas before to expand camping but nothing seems to happen. Dude ranching?  Hiking and Biking trails? Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks? Oil well museum? Trail rides with a chuck wagon meal at the end? That's all well and good, but who is going to do something? Even your retail places that are making it now can't handle much more population loss. At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 11:57:40 AM
Some people have e-mailed me that they think Patriot is either Jarhead or Sarge. After thinking about it I think they are right, SARGE/JARHEAD/PATRIOT, makes sense. Now which one is it, do either of you want to admit.

I believe that an out right lie, why would anyone chose to back door something like that. The truth is you are trying to derail the actual conversation.

What do you know abut Elk Konnected, LLC. Nothing??? Got questions like us but are afraid to ask????

Get real.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Sarge on May 25, 2011, 12:04:43 PM
Although I DO HAVE the superior intellect :) to be Patriot

Haw!!! That's the biggest bunch of crap I ever heard. Anyone who would fish a rubber lizard with a 2 oz sinker has no intellect at all. And to add, I am not Patriot and I do not know who Patriot is, but I do know that it is not tarhead, uh, jarass, uh harhead----jarhead!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 12:05:21 PM
...Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum....At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D

Yes somewhat.. Sponsoring kids ballgames with scarce tax dollars, having town cleanups and showing after school movies don't do much either.  All have been tried for years, and still we're dying.  Now, for all the hype, the Elk Konnected party is rebranding those same processes and adding clever slogans.... some with taxpayer money and possibly with elected official (singular) leadership.  If these things haven't helped in the past.... well, look at Wilma's post today about insanity.  Adding private collusion and 'consensus' influence to government failure won't change much, either.  Same leadership, new image, different results?  I'm skeptical.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 12:25:12 PM
So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished? Satisfaction from squelching a community effort?
 Speaking as an outsider, (sorry Jo,) as you know you have some huge problems that can't be fixed, ever, by talking on a forum. Many ideas were bounced around several years ago. One of the biggest was rural water. Suppose a big industry wanted to expand to where things are cheaper, people would work cheaper, raw materials in and finished product out cheaper, there would have to be huge changes. Water, electricity, gas, roads ,transportation, reliable infrastructure, no tornadoes. Why go there when there are so many other places ahead of you? Somehow you have to reinvent yourselves and advertise and make deals to attract $$$ And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either. How about a big private prison? An artist colony? An authors retreat? Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale? Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there? Do you want tourists or not? We've talked about ideas before to expand camping but nothing seems to happen. Dude ranching?  Hiking and Biking trails? Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks? Oil well museum? Trail rides with a chuck wagon meal at the end? That's all well and good, but who is going to do something? Even your retail places that are making it now can't handle much more population loss. At least this boring epistle is somewhat on topic! Ahem. ;D

You said,” So if E K were throw up it's collective hands and disappeared into the mist out of frustration, what will have been accomplished?” What are they accomplishing now besides writing letters patting themselves on the back, handing out lollipops and using county taxpayers dollars to pay Public Squares Communities, LLC to be a member of it’s private little club, claiming national recognition?
 
You said, “And ya gotta be none too fussy about it either.” Does that mean turn our county government over to Elk Konnected, LLC? Does that mean have no ethics or morals? Does that mean Bow down to those in hiding?

You said, “How about a big private prison?” Haven’t you heard those places are closing down, going broke. Even leaving the communities that supported them with bonds or whatever holding the bag.

You said, “Even more beef and ranching on a much bigger scale?” That is what this whole county is about, even farming.

You said, ”Why do the younger generations leave? What kind of work do they really want? Why can't they find it there?’ There is no industry here, and kids leave home for many reasons. I left my home town in 1966 and only return for short visits. I have retired here 40 miles from my home town. Why, because this is very lightly populated county and the communities are great as well as the people. It’s has a  more like down home in the 50’s attitude. I feel my child is safer here then in the city, but I am sure he will leave when grown. Do you live in your home town?

You said, “Tall prairie grass and flint hills tours, museum and interpretive talks?” The state is working with different counties discussing horse trails and activities through all the counties in the tall grass area.

Most of the rest you speak of would be private business and without the population to utilize the business it would be a giant risk to start.

But who is Elk Konnected, LLC, who is running the show? Why are they hiding?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 12:39:46 PM
Can I ask a question, if the commissioner in question has a conflict of interest, which I see what your saying but don't agree with, would you say a teacher who coaches a sport and teaches has a conflict of interest? Would they have a conflict of interest if they had a child that played on the team they coach?? Just wondering. My point being, there are not enough people that want to start groups or be involved in groups, so just because they choose to be in different groups that makes it a conflict of interest. I have seen council members that own businesses do both. The businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.

I guess you don't realize we have groups that are electe by the people and suppose to be for the people and of the people. They are called County Government and City Government's and as a voter and taxpayer you are a part of your respective group. They also hold open meetings for you to voice your opinion. But you do not belong to the group as you may call it, Elk Konnected, LLC. You are only a volunteer doing their bidding to make them look good. Our county also employees an Economic Developement person who also has the job of youth services. Does she need to be replaced by Elk Konnected, LLC. I sure hope not.

Really who is Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 12:44:45 PM

Our county also employees an Economic Developement person who also has the job of youth services. Does she need to be replaced by Elk Konnected, LLC.

Or is she already tasked with doing EKs bidding and/or being compensated by taxpayers in some way for supporting EK functions?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 25, 2011, 01:43:00 PM
Patriot:
If only I knew what?  What do YOU know that you are not telling?  Seems to me that there is more here than YOU are saying.  If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?

State your real full name and address.
State your true agenda.
Tell us what you expect to get out of this tirade that you are carrying on.
Tell us what you would do to help Elk County progress and not what you wouldn't do.

I could probably come up with a dozen more things you should tell us, but my soaps are back on and they are more important than your aimless meanderings.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: flintauqua on May 25, 2011, 01:49:15 PM
Ross and Patriot do not want answers.  Answers would bring their witchhunt to an end.  They are not out to prove anything, they are only continuing to accuse and insunuate without any proof, lambasting anyone that has the audacity to say it to their face (that is singular on purpose, since we only know the identity of one of them).  

The rule of law in this country is that you are innocent until proven guilty.  Not in the Ross/Patriot Elk Konnected Witch Trial of 2011.  Let's just throw Elk Konnected into the water with a bunch of stones tied to them and see if they float or sink.  If they float, they're guilty of evil doings.  If they sink . . . well maybe they were innocent, but now they're dead, so either way mission accomplished.

Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 25, 2011, 02:33:52 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Patriot:
.  If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?
State your real full name and address.

Patriot,
This obsession to your identity seems to be side tracking a few to your quest for answers so let me put the mystery to rest. Now I aint positive---but I think Patriot is Lewis Burwell Puller and he resides at Tun Tavern. It has also been established that you wear Haines but just so my next question is not the next distraction--------------boxers or briefs ?? Please don't answer commando !!!!
 I do apologize for not staying on subject so  carry on Fly-Boy .:)
Wilma, did you mean "openness" ? Not that I care because I knew what you meant
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 25, 2011, 02:35:49 PM
  round and round she goes................... ;D

  or are they.....omg.....BOXER BRIEFS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 25, 2011, 02:53:11 PM
 Danger, boring post ahead.... turn away! ;D   Ross, I grew up out in the country, surrounded by dairy farms and two mushroom houses, nearest to Landenberg, PA. It had a general store ,a tiny post office, an empty historic hotel, a coal bunker and the Methodist Church during my life.There were several textile mills at one time but they were long gone. I was 6 miles from the local school in Kennett Square, four miles from a little town, Avondale, that had the fire company, a hardware store, ice cream and candy store, a sub shop, our church and later a small appliance store and bank.  There had been a roller rink and a farmer's market but they burned. Kennett square, PA on one side of us, and Newark DE on the other were the closest towns of any size for gasoline, shopping  movies and banking.  When I was little, Bolens' Market from Kennett delivered, so did the milk and bread truck and Sayers Dry Cleaners. So, I really had two home towns in two states and I do indeed live in one of them, Newark. I'd much rather still live out in the country, but it got complicated with Al's job, his dedication to our Newark fire company and Hiram 25. All the towns around here are still quite healthy and just don't have your severe population loss problems.
As far as what as what EK  has accomplished, it would appear there are any number of things. I could be wrong on who did what, but several years ago there were concerns in Howard about derelict houses and properties, the look of the old school and it's grounds, and a burned out building that was still just sitting where it fell in on it's self. There were real concerns about the start of broken window syndrome, so a group got together, got coordinated and worked their butts off to do an amazing clean up of the old school property. Someone there could fill in the details of who all did that but I was amazed at the photos that were shown. It showed real community pride and spirit. I suspect some EK people were involved, but I can't say from personal knowledge. Some problems were hard to solve due to absent property owners. I wish I could say more about the other little towns, and how or if they benifited. I know some clean up help was given, but I don't want to misspeak for lack of details.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 03:30:41 PM


As far as what as what EK  has accomplished, it would appear there are any number of things. I could be wrong on who did what, but several years ago there were concerns in Howard about derelict houses and properties, the look of the old school and it's grounds, and a burned out building that was still just sitting where it fell in on it's self. There were real concerns about the start of broken window syndrome, so a group got together, got coordinated and worked their butts off to do an amazing clean up of the old school property. Someone there could fill in the details of who all did that but I was amazed at the photos that were shown. It showed real community pride and spirit. I suspect some EK people were involved, but I can't say from personal knowledge. Some problems were hard to solve due to absent property owners. I wish I could say more about the other little towns, and how or if they benifited. I know some clean up help was given, but I don't want to misspeak for lack of details.

Not much has changed. There is still a big old empty school building in Howard perhaps six stories tall that is an eyesore with all the windows broke out. And if they are really interested in the safety of their children they would do something about it, it is a safety hazard just to look at. I was told but don't know if it's true, that Howard wanted the county to take care of it's demolition. It is privately owned and none of the county taxpayers responsibility as I see it. But, that is what you have a city government for, to produce the regulations and enforce them. Not vigilante clubs or organizations that think they have a right to enforce their will. The individual citizen can approach the city council very easily concerning those problems.

Each community has been running their own clean-ups every year as I am  sure even happens in your community. Even the county had a very large clean up a week or two ago and hauled of tons and I mean literally tons of stuff. All without the help of Elk Konnected, LLC. Things appear to me to work just fine. Elk Konnected, LLC even copied Elk Viotalley School's plan of having the school kids have a community clean up day and painting and such. Nothing new, just mimic. Apparently West Elk Schools faculty could not do the same thing with out being told to by Elk Konnected, LLC. Go figure.

Oh a note to Patriot leave them guessing about your shorts. It gives them something to thin about. Next they will want to know your brand of Prophylactic preference.

But back on the original subject of Elk Konnected, LLC who, who are you?















Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: greatguns on May 25, 2011, 04:42:48 PM
Who cares on either subject!  The underwear or Ek Connected. :police:  It is apparent that the ones that care on either subject does not have the answers. :police:
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 05:04:45 PM
Who cares on either subject!  The underwear or Ek Connected. :police:  It is apparent that the ones that care on either subject does not have the answers. :police:
I disagree. Those thatthat are watching and reading from Elk Konnected, LLC are doing just that. To cowardly to have a conversation with out their facililatator  to control everyone.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 25, 2011, 05:22:37 PM
From today's Wichita paper's Opinion Line, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly, hoping for a different result."

Opinions are like----no I can't do it-----not nice.

Insanity is far better than being a lemming or a sheeple, that's my definition of insanity.
It's far better than writing yourself a letter bragging about yourself about accomplishments that don't amount to much.
So call me crazy. Even call me a crazy old veteran that believes in freedom of speech. Call me anything your heart desires.
I promise I won't take offence. I have even been called to polite right here on this thread.  And did not take offence.

Have a great time name calling.

But hey, while we are conversing. perhaps you can tell me, who are the legal or registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 25, 2011, 06:08:16 PM
Patriot,
This obsession to your identity seems to be side tracking a few to your quest for answers so let me put the mystery to rest. Now I aint positive---but I think Patriot is Lewis Burwell Puller and he resides at Tun Tavern. It has also been established that you wear Haines but just so my next question is not the next distraction--------------boxers or briefs ?? Please don't answer commando !!!!
 I do apologize for not staying on subject so  carry on Fly-Boy .:)

Obsession on irrelevant stuff can be good.  It keeps non-thinkers and sheeple from focusing on important stuff that might fry their brains. 

And that would be General Puller.  Just call me Chesty.  And just to set the record straight, I left the tavern on my death in '71.  I now occupy a cozy little place bout 6' beneath the grassy knoll.  Wait... impersonating an officer is wrong.  Never mind.  :)

Commando?  I like that.  But let's not encourage prurient interests of chuck and the ladies.

If only I knew what? 

How deep this river really is.

If you want total openess, how about starting with yourself?
State your real full name and address.
State your true agenda.

My serial number is 999999999. My name and rank are..... wait! Dontcha wanna know where I was the day JFK was shot?  Turn off those damned lights.  Gawd No!  Not the waterboard!!!!

Tell us what you expect to get out of this tirade that you are carrying on.

The truth, integrity from government and good management.  Or at least some public awareness of the lack thereof.

Tell us what you would do to help Elk County progress and not what you wouldn't do.

The day I file to run for public office, you will be among the first to hear my community development plans.  In the mean time, let's stick to the current government and all the wise financial planning they've used and the new infrastructure they've created.  And all the new business growth, new job growth and population expansion they have or haven't helped encourage.  Those are things we should expect, right?  Have we gotten them?


Now, what exactly has Elk Konnected, LLC and county government done with their taxpayer monies?

Enjoy your soaps.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 08:09:42 AM
Separation of church & state?  How about separation of anything & state?


Why does the county government have a 'youth coordinator'?  Do our youth need to be coordinated by county government?  I thought that's what parents, Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, FFA, 4-H, churches and other private organizations did.

And why do registration forms for the Elk Konnected sponsored summer day camp need to be returned to the clerks office in the county courthouse or to a county government PO Box designated for government use by a government employee?

At about $72/yr, can't Elk Konnected, LLC afford a PO Box of its' own?

For that matter, why is a government employee paid with taxpayer money handling mail for a private sector company, and how much are the taxpayers contributing to Jennifer Brummel's wages for that function?

Doesn't Elk Konnected, LLC have an admitted member, employee or private volunteer capable of handling their mail and receiving summer camp registrations?

How blurred must the line between public & private activities & funds become before the silent readers of this thread and others say, "Enough!"?  

If you really want to express yourself on these matters, (since we have no other single management focal point) you can probably call or write call your county commissioner at the phone numbers & addresses listed on the official county government website here:  http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx (http://ks-elk.manatron.com/ElectedOffices/Commissioners/tabid/3526/Default.aspx)


Nothing to see here.... move along, move along.  All is well.

Who and what is Elk Konnected, LLC?...   Really.


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 09:25:28 AM
This is my opinion of what is happening in our great county.

Our country is in a terrible financial crisis.
Our state is in a terrible financial crisis.
Our county so far is doing pretty good considering the two statements above.
Our school district, well that’s a completely different story of disarray,  in my opinion.

The subject of this thread however is Elk Konnected, LLC.

My opinion is the following.

Since Elk Konnected, LLC just won't come out in the open. Instead have a few volunteers trying to cover for them.

So I as a Patriot and a Vietnam Veteran and  a Voter and  a Taxpayer I have a duty to question their purpose.

They hold what they call community conversations which are not conversations per the definition of a conversation.
con·ver·sa·tion.
noun \ˌkän-vər-ˈsā-shən\
Definition of CONVERSATION
(1): oral exchange of sentiments, observations, opinions, or ideas (2): an instance of such exchange : talk <a quiet conversation> b: an informal discussion of  an issue by representatives of governments, institutions, or groups c: an exchange similar to conversation.

They have controlled meetings ran by a paid facilitator from Leoti, Wichita County, Kansas whose primary job is to produce for his employer Elk Konnected, LLC desired results. They have had even more than one facilitator at the meeting to be more in control. How do they control? They have you sign a paper, so they can claim you as a voluntary member. Then they can brag in the newspaper of the great number of people that have shown up at their meeting, (not community conversation).  Big difference. What does voluntary membership get you when you sign in. A little sticker with your name on it and a colored star. What is the real purpose of this, I’ll get to that in a minute. But you also get to walk in the door, yea. Oh, look at all those chairs arranged in circles, the purpose to control how and where you sit, key word control it is their meeting and they have the right to be in total control. If you don’t sit in the circle, here comes the facilitator who is paid to insure that you do. If you say, I would rather not, his job is to coerce you by saying you can not be involved it the discussions. After everyone is in a circle, then the facilitator tells them to look at their little star.

Now the little colored star, another control factor. After everyone is in a circle, then the facilitator tells them to look at the little star on your name tag, if it matches the color on anyone else’s star we want you to move to another circle.  You sit there and wait for the musical chairs to finish playing out. And the controlling facilitator now say’s we don’t want you sitting with your spouse or your friends so if you have any of the in your circle please move to another circle. Why does this work, why do people play musical chairs for a controlling facilitator. Because he knows the principle of peer group pressure. You will move, or be made to feel foolish. And if that doesn’t work the controlling facilitator would take that opportunity to tell every one you are being uncooperative. He may even hold his microphone up to is mouth  and simply say where is the sheriff. If everything goes according to the controlling  facilitators predetermined plans then he instructs you on what you may discuss in your circle. Remember this man, the facilitator has practiced this operation time and time again and has the control plan down pat. Control, control, control.

What happens next? One person is suppose to make notes for the circle of the ideas. These notes are then given to other people to process and given label’s as to importance such as Idea, Big Idea etc. But wait a minute how do we know these ideas actually came from the citizens? Some may have? How do we know Elk Konnected, LLC members weren’t in the circles pushing their own idea’s.? We don’t because they are secret people. There are no names attached to any of the idea’s. Why? If you were to come up with an excellent idea, don’t you think you should receive credit? We know Elk Konnected, LLC will take credit, they will run to the County Commissioner’s with a list saying see what we did. Because that is just what Elk Konnected, LLC did. But they don’t want you to have credit for your idea --- how nice.

Let’s look at one of their idea’s, and Elk Konnected, LLC labeled it one of their Big Idea’s.

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­  
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's).

This is one of their new idea’s, but I have been told the idea has been around for many years,

What’s wrong with this idea you might ask?  Well I have read Elk Konnected, LLC’s letters stating they want to bring the individual communities together and to stop the rivalry between them. I just don’t believe that statement when in another  letter they said they came about because one community in the County chose to put up a fuss and big fight over refuse pick up. Their so called founding member and County Commissioner Liz Hendricks at the County Commissioners meeting said , “We did not mean to be bashing Elk Falls.” She said bashing, not me. Now how is that conducive to pulling the communities together, I ask you?

But you could pull the communities together by getting rid of their own city government, their Chamber of Commerce and any other organization they may have and have a unified government located in Howard maybe controlled by Elk Konnected, LLC whoever they are.

This, was one of the big idea’s  delivered to the County Commissioners by Elk Konnected, LLC,  “Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­ (cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's). but they argue it is not their idea it is a citizens idea.
Give me a break. Make all the excuses you want, you provided the idea and therefore I am certain it is your idea. Remember Control, control, control as in your meetings, and conversations..

In my opinion you have abused our trust and our county government by using County Government resources paid for by taxpayer’s dollars. You placed an unauthorized web page on the County Government web site. You have used the County Government automatic crisis calling system. You are a private company and in my opinion have no more right to county resources then any other business in the county. You deny using county taxpayers dollars even when you have someone standing before the County Commissioners asking for money.

There is so much more I could say and/or ask? Like who applied for the grant to pay for the Summer camp this summer? How much was the grant? Who did the grant come from? Who is being paid to administer the summer camp? How much are the volunteers being paid from the grant to run the summer camp?  So now we have got to the money issue.

Why is the membership of Elk Konnected, LLC secret/? Why is Elk Konnected afraid to have an actual conversation in this digital age on this forum where the can talk to a large number of citizens of the county.
This media the internet is used b Elk Konnected, LLC in the form of a web site to praise themselves, come on out of hiding.

This is strictly my opinion and as I see Elk Konnected, LLC, it is the way Elk Konnected, presents it’s self outside of their own letters of self praise.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 10:43:28 AM
If I may so bold as to give a parrallel example as to what I THINK you are tring to say Ross?   Clall it spin on your thoughts, but I don't think so:
There are several small towns in Elk County (the county) and each are struggling to survive.  So, here comes a group of people (names and intents yet to be determined) that creates an LLC, to preform a funneling of money functions.  They hire a well known Kansas State group to find out the main issues in the county (which their fee was paid for by this Elk Konnected, LLC) and then implemented 'some programs' based on some of the issues.   
Now, to convolute the issue...one of the Comissoners is a member of this paid group, and yes I did read the letter.  I don't think it was appropriate that it came from she, but heck   I don't live in that county.  Then you stated that this same said comissioner denied the using of taxpayers dollars in public, when in fact it came...and I use this term with caution:  INDIRECTLY to the the above mentions programs.

My first knee jerk reaction is:  wow, money laundering at the expense of the taxpayer and the county's residents sayso.  However, I really think asking who is on the committee, and who is in charge, and why won't they come forward, will in all honesty not be answered on this forum.  Why?   Don't know. 
If the county is so desperate to bring in funds to build the county to tourism, there is a lot more to see in Elk county than Howard...and Howard is good. 
Sounds more like a competiton within the towns, and Howard is ahead right now.  A unified government  for the county?   Don't think that will work...That would be like putting all of the New England States in there own district....ain't gonna happen with the residents of Elk County.  Each town is proud of their own.

So who is a member of Elk Konnected LLC?   Subliminal suggestions?   Cautious anxiety?  Pure honesty?   All will get you yelled at, I am afraid.  But, as far as I am concerned, keep asking.
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Lookatmeknow!! on May 26, 2011, 10:55:21 AM
I do worry about the amount of debt the county has. I do also feel that I do not want to run for county commissioner, to much on my plate. So, what am I to do about the problem of county debt???? If I don't want to run for county commissioner, what do you suggest we do about the county debt?? Please do tell. Also, you do have it wrong about me on alot of things, just so you (Patriot, Ross, and whoever). I worry about the effects of the country, shrinking population and all. I feel the main reason is the economy. People used to be able to afford living out here and driving back and forth to Wichita or other places for jobs, that just isn't the case any more. You want businesses to come out here, it just isn't the time. Economy isn't there for the start up of new jobs right now, my opinion. We are getting more water to rural areas, which is good. Just not the right time for the bigger companies and things to start up in our area. Would be nice though!!!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 11:00:23 AM
thank you for that.   First, I would look at what the county is spending, and infrastructure is foremost.  If you can't get around in the county, no one will go and spend money...that is for starters.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 11:05:28 AM
This may sound cold, however I feel that most clubs:  4-H; recreational sports, etc can have their own fundraisers to get samll items.  If they don't have uniforms, well sorry.  I grew up playing my hardest in the only t-shirt mom gave me, and so did all the other kids.   This not the olympics.   Asking the comissioners for money when they are strapped is just not cool, in my opinion...unless "they, or one" has 'tapped into some money' that was'nt generated from RE/PP/OG taxes.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 11:07:37 AM
I do worry about the amount of debt the county has. I do also feel that I do not want to run for county commissioner, to much on my plate. So, what am I to do about the problem of county debt???? If I don't want to run for county commissioner, what do you suggest we do about the county debt?? Please do tell. Also, you do have it wrong about me on alot of things, just so you (Patriot, Ross, and whoever). I worry about the effects of the country, shrinking population and all. I feel the main reason is the economy. People used to be able to afford living out here and driving back and forth to Wichita or other places for jobs, that just isn't the case any more. You want businesses to come out here, it just isn't the time. Economy isn't there for the start up of new jobs right now, my opinion. We are getting more water to rural areas, which is good. Just not the right time for the bigger companies and things to start up in our area. Would be nice though!!!

You're right, the timing now is really bad.  This isn't about you or Ross or me.  This is about failed policies of county government.  The time to prepare was 4, 6, 8 or more years ago.  Now, ask yourself, who was driving the bus when we should have been stocking our shelves, so to speak?  Who's planning (or poor planning) has failed?  Who's running the boat now?  How have the agenda, priorities, programs and efforts changed?  And how do the likes of Elk Konnected, LLC come in to play?  As the saying goes:  If nothing changes, nothing changes.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 11:09:46 AM
This may sound cold, however I feel that most clubs:  4-H; recreational sports, etc can have their own fundraisers to get samll items.  If they don't have uniforms, well sorry.  I grew up playing my hardest in the only t-shirt mom gave me, and so did all the other kids.   This not the olympics.   Asking the comissioners for money when they are strapped is just not cool, in my opinion...unless "they, or one" has 'tapped into some money' that was'nt generated from RE/PP/OG taxes.

In short... government (taxpayers) should be, at best, the source of last resort, right?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 11:21:55 AM
If I may so bold as to give a parrallel example as to what I THINK you are tring to say Ross?   Clall it spin on your thoughts, but I don't think so:
There are several small towns in Elk County (the county) and each are struggling to survive.  So, here comes a group of people (names and intents yet to be determined) that creates an LLC, to preform a funneling of money functions.  They hire a well known Kansas State group to find out the main issues in the county (which their fee was paid for by this Elk Konnected, LLC) and then implemented 'some programs' based on some of the issues.   
Now, to convolute the issue...one of the Comissoners is a member of this paid group, and yes I did read the letter.  I don't think it was appropriate that it came from she, but heck   I don't live in that county.  Then you stated that this same said comissioner denied the using of taxpayers dollars in public, when in fact it came...and I use this term with caution:  INDIRECTLY to the the above mentions programs.

My first knee jerk reaction is:  wow, money laundering at the expense of the taxpayer and the county's residents sayso.  However, I really think asking who is on the committee, and who is in charge, and why won't they come forward, will in all honesty not be answered on this forum.  Why?   Don't know. 
If the county is so desperate to bring in funds to build the county to tourism, there is a lot more to see in Elk county than Howard...and Howard is good. 
Sounds more like a competiton within the towns, and Howard is ahead right now.  A unified government  for the county?   Don't think that will work...That would be like putting all of the New England States in there own district....ain't gonna happen with the residents of Elk County.  Each town is proud of their own.

So who is a member of Elk Konnected LLC?   Subliminal suggestions?   Cautious anxiety?  Pure honesty?   All will get you yelled at, I am afraid.  But, as far as I am concerned, keep asking.
Ready
Good post readyaimduck, I suppose you could construe that I was saying what you said the way you said it. Does that make sense. LOL  I really don't believe Elk Konnected, LLC knows what they want but it appears that it is nothing more than giving out lollipops and praising themselves, who ever they are. Or they would talk right here, right now. What better opportunity ie there for them then now. Doing the things the communities have been doing for themselves. Your post is appreciated by me.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 11:44:30 AM
Elk Konnected, LLC
Who applied for the grant to pay for the Summer camp this summer?
Who did the grant come from? How much was the grant?
Who is being paid to administer the summer camp?
How much are the volunteers being paid from the grant to run the summer camp? 

If you are Receiving tens of thousands of dollars in grants why do you feel you need Elk County tax payers dollars?
Why not leave the money for the real communities in the county?
I know you think you are a community but suppose you be considerate of real communities.

And how about stepping up to the old proverbial plate and tell us who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 11:56:29 AM
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In short... government (taxpayers) should be, at best, the source of last resort, right?

In my mind, yesssss.   Now try to separate the two!   Ergo, this forum!
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 12:01:53 PM
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And how about stepping up to the old proverbial plate and tell us who are the registered members of Elk Konnected?
 
 

and pray tell, who were members of the KKK, the anonymous doners to Elk Konnected LLC (the word anonymous is there for a reason(  who is a memeber of our local AA?   See where this is going?   Nothing to hide?  perhaps with a pride of being a member.  And a member of the AA (Aloholics Anonymous, or NA or Al Anon)  are members, however there is no membership other than a common cause.  So, perhaps this is or should have been named Elk Konnections LLC Anonymous?   Then perhaps there would be some sigh of reief...just thinking outside a box.
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 12:06:15 PM
You are radical rainyduck ROFLMBO.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 12:09:26 PM
FYI

The upcoming County Commissioners meeting I have been told has been changed to to the holiday.
I have been nformed it is scheduled for 1:00 PM, Tuesday, May 31 in the Elk County courthouse.
It is open to the public and shortly after opening the meeting the floor is opened as a public form
for anyone to speak to them. It is very cordial. Oh I thought i'd mention there is no facilitator or circle of chairs.
And when I spoke with them they were very polite and decent.
There is usually a deputy there. My salute to the deputies  :police: good guys.

I did verify the date and time by calling the Clerk's Office.

Back to Elk Konnected, LLC, hello ---- who are you?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 12:34:27 PM
I don't believe I have ever said why I use the term Lollopops.
In my opinion the lollipops are to distract us from what Elk Konnected, LLC is really up to.
We as a county employee an Economic Development and Youth Development person who is well educated in doing the job.

And any county monies, if there is money to spare such as the tax from the sale of alcholic beverages in my opinion should go to real communities. Perhaps divided evenly. i have heard that the tax from the sale of alcholic beverages is for the purpose of recreation.

From our county web site:
Welcome to the Elk County Economic Development and Youth Development site.  Elk County encompasses Howard, Grenola, Elk Falls, Longton and Moline. http://ks-elk.manatron.com/CountyDepartments/EconomicDevelopment/tabid/3529/Default.aspx  

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Warph on May 26, 2011, 12:46:12 PM


i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 12:50:02 PM
i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.


LOL
At some point all things end.... one way or another.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 12:51:01 PM

i-yi-yi.... will this ever end.


Only if you unsubscribe to this thread. or Elk Konnected, LLC speaks up.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 01:47:18 PM
Don't you just love the circle of truthes (trutheves)  many a truth?  It is a circle of circumvention.  Please do not pop that circle....it may explode/implode with gastroinomical abundance!   Wehewwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!   who let that one out?
or it may explode/implode with rotton tomatoes...well this one is done!
or, it may explode/implode with a truth....that it is nothing more than a circle of life   (good song by the way!)

Ross......lol you are ....so much....argghhh...<<<<spits, coughs.....I think a bubble is about to be popped!!!!!!!!!!!

lol    ducky
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 02:22:40 PM
Why thank you ducky for the diversion.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 02:41:18 PM
lol no problem....not unlike a a diversion:  a technique of shooting ahead of a moving target so that the target and projectile will collide

Off to do homeland security tasks:   sharpen my lawnmower blades...never know!!!!   
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 26, 2011, 05:13:38 PM

Ross and Patriot - This is not Salem, Mass 1692.  This is the United States of America, 2011 - prove something or shut the hell up already!

You know what your more annoying than they are.  You have no right to tell them to shut the hell up. This isn't your messageboard and the last i checked Teresa doesn't allow anyone to tell someone to shut the hell up.   IF YOU Don't like it you don't have to read it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 26, 2011, 05:15:52 PM
ok Ross and Patriot:

 
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up.  And your commissioner is on that group.


REMEMBER this is a guy that makes over 70,000 for membership fees.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 26, 2011, 05:20:41 PM
CThe businesses benefit the city and the city have bills to pay to that business, the council members just obstains from voting.
That is a big problem.  When i used to work for Cox, Bellsouth, AT&T, I ran my business building computers and sold them but i was NOT allowed to sell them to the companies i worked for from 9-5 even though i could save them several thousands of dollars.
The issue was that it leaves a HUGE DOOR open for fraud and favoritism as well as embezzlement.  It doesn't mean i would have done it, it means that its a door thats there that has no accountability so therefore it was not allowed.  It should be exactly the same thing or those who work for government.   NO BUSINESS owner should be allowed to conduct business with the Government of that county if they are a part of that Government.  Its like this, either run your business or work for government. Choose a job.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
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REMEMBER this is a guy that makes over 70,000 for membership fees.
I am not sure how that applies to a comissioner belonging to this group.  He can charge what he wants.
Unless you are drawing a parallelism with that group and the fact they hired the group??  Then, if so I see the connection.
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 26, 2011, 06:21:07 PM
I am not sure how that applies to a comissioner belonging to this group.  He can charge what he wants.
Unless you are drawing a parallelism with that group and the fact they hired the group??  Then, if so I see the connection.
Ready

Uh huh.....
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 06:36:10 PM
Someone said,
"ok Ross and Patriot:
The group in question ( Public Square) is and just happenss to be a group that works in a few counties...look it up.  And your commissioner is on that group."


No Pubic Square Communities, LLC's web site is at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/ They are nt the group in question they are simply the hired hands of Elk Konneted, LLC.

Elk Konnected, LLC is in Elk County.
Public Square Communities, LLC's is in Whichita County, in the community of Leoti, Kansas.
And they are not even known by Leoti, Kansas by the city employee I talked to on the phone.

They are the company that Elk Konnected, LLC sold an accredation to. As I said in a previous post Elk Konnected told the school board they would soon have state wide accredation. Lets look at that phrase state wide accredation shall we?

Are any of them able to  meet the Better Business Bureau of Kansas accreditation standards? No, or they would say so.
How can a company that has no accredation sell accredation to another company?

How can it be statewide with only 15 or 16 customers in just a few counties out of 105 counties?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 06:44:44 PM
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are?  Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he?  Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over.  Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 26, 2011, 06:54:23 PM
Patriot: A lot of concern has been made over your identity. Let me be the first to tell you, I don't have to know your identity and I choose to read your posts so you will not hear any griping from me. There are certain peoples' posts on here that I now just naturally skip over because I couldn't care less what they have to say. Others have been told to do that on this particular thread so you and Ross will "shut the hell up." Please don't shut up! Someday you all WILL get your answers and many people will be shocked about it if they can take the blinders off first! That's all I'm going to say on this matter. You two just need to keep up the good fight!---Jennifer
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 26, 2011, 07:53:15 PM
I think I didn't communicate very well in my post.  I did go to Public Square Communities' web site and did read several of the testimonies as well as events in a few counties  (Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on).  I am not in dissagreeance with your chain of thought. 
   And, I think a sparkle of argument is a healthy way to clear the air.  A discussion with questions answers and solutions.
I guess we're 1/3 of the way towards a good discussion?  <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 08:31:03 PM
Why doesn't someone tell us what we are too blind to see?  All I am getting is suppositions, no facts.  Facts by the way, include names and actions that can be proven.  Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 09:12:40 PM
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are?  Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he?  Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over.  Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.
Hey darlin' I'm here, the perfect "insame asylum" aint life great.

Dang it Patriot quit pulling my leg. You'll pull my artificial knees apart.

You said, " Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over." We are full well aware of what we are saying. And you just don't get it do you? But you know what, no one is forcing you to sit in a circle of chairs or telling you to read this drivil. Have your self a great evening.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 26, 2011, 09:17:43 PM
  Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.

Only if your on trial.   
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 09:32:40 PM
Why doesn't someone tell us what we are too blind to see?  All I am getting is suppositions, no facts.  Facts by the way, include names and actions that can be proven.  Also, a person in this country is still innocent until proven guilty.

Go back and read all the posts with an open mind and you should be able to figure it out. We have mentioned a name or two. and a few facts verified by other members. reread with an open mind and you will find them. It's all been repeated and repeated so much we've been told to shut the heck up. And I believe that was Elk Konnected, LLC that said shut the heck up but they won't come forward in an honest conversation.

Just go back and reread, oop's I repeated myself.

Aslo read http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/

and http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/

And try to understand wht you are reading.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 09:46:38 PM
I think I didn't communicate very well in my post.  I did go to Public Square Communities' web site and did read several of the testimonies as well as events in a few counties  (Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on).  I am not in dissagreeance with your chain of thought. 
   And, I think a sparkle of argument is a healthy way to clear the air.  A discussion with questions answers and solutions.
I guess we're 1/3 of the way towards a good discussion?  <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)

I didn't take it that way. I was just trying to punctuate what you were saying. I like the sparkle and the <<<sarcasm off>>>>:)

By the way are you a registerd member of Elk Konnected, LLC?

You said,"(Mainly SEK, is what I think they are focusing on). " I think you are right. I think Public Square Communities, LLC  goes wherever people are desperate. Desperate enough to give him their money. Sorta like an accident chasing lawyer. Desperate enough to write a letter to them selves saying ow great they are doing. Just my opinion.

I can see  Public Square Communities, LLC vision, it's $$$$$$$$$ from the desperate. He has figured out all these counties are having a hard time coping with the economy the way it is and is capatilizing on that fact. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 26, 2011, 10:08:35 PM
I want your accusations in plain words so that even an 81 year old woman can understand them.  Why should anyone have to try to figure out what you are trying to say? 

I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC.  I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere.  I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them.  So what is your question that no one will answer?  I am pretty sure that the answer is there.  Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 26, 2011, 10:44:08 PM
I want your accusations in plain words so that even an 81 year old woman can understand them.  Why should anyone have to try to figure out what you are trying to say? 

I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC.  I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere.  I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them.  So what is your question that no one will answer?  I am pretty sure that the answer is there.  Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.

It's not my desire to brainwash you or to convert you from Elk Konnected. And you are quite free to believe whatever you want. You can even believe I am a raving lunatic and that's fine with me.

I no we would like to see Elk Konnected, LLC come out of hiding to come forward with the truth, who are the registered member? And to have a conversation with out a facilitator controlling everything. Is that too hard to comprehenr?

I'm out of here, good night.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 11:43:53 PM
I have just re-read most of what Liz has posted about EKLLC.  I do not find any hidden agenda anywhere.

Perhaps that's why it's called a 'hidden' agenda.  Just a thought.

I did find most of the answers to the questions you are asking and since you know so much about her and what she has done and where she has been, I suspect that you have also read all of them.  So what is your question that no one will answer?  I am pretty sure that the answer is there.  Perhaps you are just ignoring it because it isn't the answer you want.

You are finding what is presented for you to find.  Try to find the name of the legally admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC.  If you find that info, please post it.  You  work on that, then we will move on to another 'hidden' piece.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 26, 2011, 11:55:46 PM
Patriot, you have an awful lot to say about how Elk County should be run and by whom and yet you won't tell anyone who you are?

If saying it should be run by duly elected officials who are not involved in conflicting activities is 'awful lot', then so be it.  Since I'm not a public employee/official, my identity is irrelevant with respect to any questions I may ask or information I present.  You just hate having to shoot at a ghost, imo.  As to information I present... don't take my word, do some fact checking.

Are you serious about what you say or are you just pulling Ross' leg letting him think that you think the same as he?  Your posts and Ross', also, have just become the same thing over and over.  Let me know which insame asylum you finally land in.

I'm as serious as a rattlesnake bite.  And Ross' legs aren't pretty enough to pull... way to hairy.

I think you meant 'insane' not 'insame'.  While that was as rude as anything I've been accused of, consider the consequences if it turns out that I'm quite sane.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 07:17:41 AM
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By the way are you a registerd member of Elk Konnected, LLC?


I can answer that question with a resounding 'NO'

A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. LLCs are popular because, similar to a corporation, owners have limited personal liability for the debts and actions of the LLC. Other features of LLCs are more like a partnership, providing management flexibility and the benefit of pass-through taxation.
Owners of an LLC are called members. Since most states do not restrict ownership, members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit “single member” LLCs, those having only one owner.

 Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory.  However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc

Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 27, 2011, 08:19:30 AM
I can answer that question with a resounding 'NO'

A Limited Liability Company (LLC) is a business structure allowed by state statute. LLCs are popular because, similar to a corporation, owners have limited personal liability for the debts and actions of the LLC. Other features of LLCs are more like a partnership, providing management flexibility and the benefit of pass-through taxation.
Owners of an LLC are called members. Since most states do not restrict ownership, members may include individuals, corporations, other LLCs and foreign entities. There is no maximum number of members. Most states also permit “single member” LLCs, those having only one owner.

 Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory.  However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc

Ready

Sounds like a good way to hide other business's and launder money
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 08:27:00 AM
The first thought was just that as well as a pyramid scheme, but I thought those word might be a little harsh, without proof, of which I have none. :-X
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 27, 2011, 09:15:04 AM
Perhaps this is one of the puzzles in that Elk Konnected LLC cnnot be found in the LLC directory.  However it could be formed in another sate or under an alias as in business dba, etc
Ready

Please look again.  Elk Konnected, LLC is registered in Kansas.  I've posted the record from the Secretary of State database.  No mystery on the structure or state of registration.  


Link to KS secretary of State business listing:  https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5 (https://www.accesskansas.org/bess/flow/main?execution=e1s5)

Click on 'Business Entity Database' link
Click on 'By business entity name' link
Enter Elk Konnected in the text block & click 'Search'
When the listing comes up, click the 'View Record' button

 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 27, 2011, 09:19:07 AM
Perhaps, I'm naive  and to trusting, because non of that even crossed my mind. I have only been concerned about their motives and agenda. Like why have to have so much control, why be so deceptive, why hide. Why refuse to come out and be upfront on this forum with the county citizens. Why hollar at us to "shut the hell up". It leaves me to believe there is a whole lot more to hide than I thought.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 27, 2011, 09:43:44 AM
Perhaps, I'm naive  and to trusting, because non of that even crossed my mind. I have only been concerned about their motives and agenda. Like why have to have so much control, why be so deceptive, why hide. Why refuse to come out and be upfront on this forum with the county citizens. Why hollar at us to "shut the hell up". It leaves me to believe there is a whole lot more to hide than I thought.

Naw, personally I believe they are only hiding from Elk County citizens and that is because it makes the citizens easier to control.
Just my personal opinion. There is nothing that sinister about these people or the people of Elk County. We have the greatest citizens on earth with very friendly attitudes overall.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 09:48:52 AM
Thanks for that link, Patriot.  That's where I was, but must have been misspelling something.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 27, 2011, 11:58:25 AM
Thanks for that link, Patriot.  That's where I was, but must have been misspelling something.

No problem.... now, can ya tell me who the owners are?   ;)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 27, 2011, 12:22:34 PM
and spoil the recent bantering of this thead????   NNaaahhhhhhh! ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 04:26:13 PM
  Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)
  Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to? Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft. I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along. I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about.  I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak. 
  Why are you owed any answers above all other people? Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing?  Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.
      Brought to you by the dark side of the moon.  ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 27, 2011, 06:02:32 PM
Prologue.
  Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)

No need to run from truth as many here seem to do.  Python should be pleased.  Imitation is the greatest form of flattery.   :)

Verse 1.
  Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to?

These questions have nothing to do with just everybody who has attended a facilitated conversation or even says they support WK.  It has to do with the legal members (owners/partners) and the fact that the, through their company accept and use tax monies.  Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 2.
Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft.

Again, the questions posed have nothing to do and aren't about volunteers, supporters or private citizens who donate.  Even a child would see that repeated over and over in this thread.  Surely you can too.  Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 3.
I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along.

As the company's influence in government, community 'organization' tactics and use of taxpayer money has increased, so has its' exposure to valid questions from voters, citizens and taxpayers.  We do still live in a republic where questioning government alliances is acceptable, no?  Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 4.
I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about.  I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak.

Same song as verses one and two above, Diane.  Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 5.
Why are you owed any answers above all other people?

See verse 3 above.  Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 6.
Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing? 

Ross will have to answer for himself.  As for me, I represent myself.  As for trust, doesn't come into play given the questions being asked and about whom they are being asked.  A side note:  There are people here who know me personally and would surely vouch for my trustworthiness.   Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?

Verse 7.
Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.

Again, speaking for myself: 
Possibly but only where tax monies are concerned.
No.
No, and why would they be uncomfortable?  Are they doing something wrong?.
That depends.  Is the official company doing anything illegal or unethical?
Nothing.
Then you know little about insurance, business structures, business law, and capitalism.  Isn't your husband in finance or accounting?  If so, ask him.
Notice how you are getting clear, concise answers to your valid questions?


Epilogue.
Brought to you by the dark side of the moon.  ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)

Can you identify the amount of money paid to date by Elk Connected, LLC to Public Square Communities, LLC for Public Square's training and assistance in using The Delphi Technique & Hegelian Principle to shape public opinion and influence local governments?

Notice how you got clear, concise answers to your valid questions?  If anything was unclear, just ask.
Notice how Ross and I get no clear, factual answers, non-responsive comments or wild diversions into irrelevant areas?


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 27, 2011, 06:47:51 PM
Patriot:

How about a list of the tax money that EKLLC has received and what they did with it?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on May 27, 2011, 06:59:35 PM

There's probably a whole lot of folks who would like to see that info.  You think the E K crowd will ever open up?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 27, 2011, 07:06:21 PM
How about a list of the tax money that EKLLC has received and what they did with it?

That would be a nice start.  Especially if it shows any state tax dollars received and routed to pay for the services of Public Square Communities, LLC and/or Mr. T. Woodbury.

Can you post that information?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 27, 2011, 07:19:56 PM
 Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...I gather you two are joined at the hip? ;D ;D ;D Anyway, some people aren't sure about several of you as to whether the questions you ask are indeed what your concerns really are. They may wonder who's next for grilling. Some think your questions are a cover up for something negative.  A few think you are trying to make them seem to be stupid fools for thinking it was all a good idea when it started.
  Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.
 You say it isn't about the volunteers, yet one of you asked what the volunteers at something, camp, I think, were paid. Now I thought "volunteer" meant works for free. Why would they be paid anything?
  Some just don't trust you. ( plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings  answered your questions as to who is who. I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed. One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off.  EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement. I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts. And it's E K I believe, not W K. :angel: Keep in mind this is not about me. But is about people who mean a lot to me. I do know a few people out there who aren't on the forum and a number who were and became inactive and some who look but never post. I hear a lot! Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 27, 2011, 08:11:58 PM
Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...I gather you two are joined at the hip

After much careful & independent investigation and research, we may be joined at the mind in many cases.  But not at the hip.  


Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.

It is not my intent to insult with these questions, but there is no protection in our Constitution against someone feeling insulted.  Asking valid questions differs from making statements.  Thinking people who read and understand the questions and the focus of the questions will have an entirely different perspective, based on factual analysis and not feelings.  And there are a large number of folks, both here and throughout the community who are doing just that.

One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off.

If there was a misinterpretation of the original question, that's unfortunate.  There is a big difference between people who identify informally as 'members' and the legally admitted members of an LLC.  I'm sure the question was and remains only about the latter.  If you, or anyone, does not understand what an LLC 'admitted' member is, the Kansas Statutes regarding Limited Liability Companies is quite clear.  

EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement.

Your statement lacks any basis in fact.  How do you know this to be true, especially in light of the fact that a privately owned LLC exists.  Are you saying there is some other, informal, group by the same name?


I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts.

I can empathize.  But think how they and others in the community might feel if they were to discover that they had been manipulated, used or controlled by others who were professionally applying very effective & highly sophisticated group control & management techniques to induce them to predetermined conclusions & actions.  That would be a terrible shame.


Some just don't trust you. (plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings  answered your questions as to who is who. I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed.

I can appreciate that.  Perhaps those attendees should ask themselves who is running the shows they attend. I was taught to look before I leap and that just cause everybody's doing it doesn't make it right or healyhy.  However that in no way negates the rights of those who have questions regarding government entanglements, funds and other resources to ask questions and engage in free discussion.  No matter the venue.

I do know a few people out there who aren't on the forum and a number who were and became inactive and some who look but never post. I hear a lot! Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.

Nor do we need abuse of limited taxpayer resources, conflicts of interest or a public being misled.

Now, who are the admitted members of the private company behind our 'open community discussions'?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 27, 2011, 09:47:18 PM
  Warning,wordy diatribe ahead. Run away, run away ( My apologies to Monty Python.)
  Ross, if someone handed out publicly a roster of everybody from anywhere who attended any E K meeting over the last several years and published it, what would it be used for, aside from someone quizzing these folks about what they are REALLY up to? Not everybody wants to be in the spotlight that much. Some would consider you just plan nosy! You want personal information but don't want to be on a committee or commit to help. People who donate to projects get asked by others to donate to their cause too. Some unscrupulous people who get their hands on lists use them to create and sell advertising mailing lists, especially if there are phone numbers involved. Some people worry about identity theft. I, myself, wonder....why now? Where were these questions when the group was young and new, enthusiastic and finding its way along. I can't say that I'm surprised that some people are uncomfortable with you and what what you are about.  I also suspect that there are many E K people who are not forum members and wouldn't be comfortable thinking that anything they said would show up on here, behind their backs so to speak. 
  Why are you owed any answers above all other people? Why should people trust you? Who are you really representing?  Do you have a financial stake in stopping E K? Is there someone in competition with some of the programs who stand to make money by casting a shadow over anything they do? Are you being paid by someone to make everyone associated with the sub committees uncomfortable? Do you hope to bring down E K? What do you personally stand to gain? I thought the LLC was mostly for lawsuit protection, a form of liability insurance, which makes perfectly good sense to me.
      Brought to you by the dark side of the moon.  ;D Ok.Your turn. ;)
Pardon my french, what is all that buul shit. I am no one but a taxpayer, a vietnam veteran and a retired old fart. I have absolutly nothing to gain, nothing period. Elk Konnected had done nothing in their early start up except to hand out lolipops which was fine.  Until I realized from reading their letter putting down one of the communities in the county, and I realized that our
county commissioner was

 
the founding member of Elk Konnected,LLC

that she had also lived in Leoti, Kansas

where Public Squares Communities, LLC is from and

that she is a staff member of  Public Squares Communities, LLC

MAJOR CONFLICTS OF INTEREST'S
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Flat out lies about using taxpayers dollars.
They advocate over throwing community governments for a centrally located government in Howard.

Their so called Community Conversations are anything but conversations.
Their Community Conversations are totally controlled by a facilitator

who is hired with my tax dollars   to produce the results that Elk Konnected, LLC wants.
I am owed no more than any other taxpayer, honest answers.[/center]
May I asked who recruited you for Elk konnected, LLC.
May I ask how you are such an expert on Elk Konnected, LLC?
May I ask you do you believe in HONESTY?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 27, 2011, 11:00:32 PM
Patriot, I believe I asked my questions of Ross...[quote  I gather you two are joined at the hip? [/quote]
Simple foolishness on your part. We are both taxpayers in this county and have a right to ask theses questions? Are you a taxpayer in this county?



[quote  ;D ;D ;D Anyway, some people aren't sure about several of you as to whether the questions you ask are indeed what your concerns really are. [/quote]
Those that maybe part of Elk Konnected, LLC registered members? But you can rest assured they are or I wouldn’t ask them.


[quote  Some think your questions are a cover up for something negative. [/quote]
We are quite open while Elk Konnected, LLC is not.

[quote  A few think you are trying to make them seem to be stupid fools for thinking it was all a good idea when it started. [/quote]
Where do you get this dribble? We are not asking about or to the supposed volunteers.

  [quote  Just because you say something over and over doesn't mean it's really what is going on. ( Yer treading on thin insult ice there.) To some it smacks of a personal vendetta where there will never be a winner, just a lot of hard working losers.[/quote]  You are quoting who I believe to be a registered member of Elk Konnected that made the remark, “personal vendetta”, was he the same one who told us, “To shut the hell up.”

   [quote You say it isn't about the volunteers, yet one of you asked what the volunteers at something, camp, I think, were paid. Now I thought "volunteer" meant works for free. Why would they be paid anything?[/quote] It happens, just because you are not aware of it, it does happen.

 [quote Some just don't trust you. ( plural) You notice nobody who has been to meetings  answered your questions as to who is who..[/quote]  We are not asking volunteers to answer anything, are we?

[quote  I know the people who have worked so hard for so long are very disappointed and feel very unappreciated an betrayed. One of you some time back did indeed ask that the "members" names be published. I'm not sure now what that meant to you, but somebody wanted something in writing and that did put some people off...[/quote] 
Once again we are not asking about volunteers, are you that dense that you don’t understand that?

 [quote   EK was meant to be an informal group of friendly people sharing wide open ideas from, impossible and expensive to free and easy to implement. ...[/quote]   
As a lemming you are welcome to believe that. But WE are not lemmings. Can’t you get it. God gave us a brain to think for ourselves without the requirement to be of a mob mind set.

[quote   I know you say it isn't "them,",the worker bees, but they are feeling it just the same and it hurts. ...[/quote] 
How can you talk for a all them worker bees as you call them? What a fabrication. So you know a few people out here, big deal. Tell them to grow up and speak for themselves.


[quote   Just what you don't need is a bunch of tiny towns squabbling.[/quote]
What do you know? Town rivalry’s go on all the time all over the country. What do you propose, let Elk Konnected, LLC run the county???????????

If you know so much about Elk County and Elk Konnected, LLC how about sharing with us. Tell us who the registered members are?  And we will move on from there, Okay.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2011, 06:39:45 AM
Westboro Baptist Church
http://www.scaddistrict.com/?p=18903

I believe in God, and I am thankful to him that I did not lose any of my loved ones in the tornado in Joplin. They were very close to the tornado.

I was invited to a peaceful protest this weekend in Joplin by a few of my loved ones  in Joplin, but I wasn't informed about what it was for. I had to ask. The Westboro Baptist Church is engaging in another of their ugly activities. I have never been involved in a protest, peaceful or otherwise. I won't be going to this protest either. I do have a guest at my home for the memorial day weekend. But even if I did not have company I still would not have gone. I don't believe a peacefull protest will acccomplish anything.

But, I would ask each of these people to regain their own personalities. I would ask each of these people to think for themselves. I would ask each of these people to regain their own individualism. In other words don't be sheeple.

These people know that what they are doing is right. Why?  Because they have been told so, so many times by the organization. And they are voluntarily doing what they are told. They don't ask questions, they just follow.

This is just another group of people that were given lollipops of some kind and will FOLLOW and do as they are instructed by a couple of people. Why? Peer group pressure, the need to belong to a group (acceptance), (sheeple) and mob mentality. With out these followers the few that run the organization would be nothing. They are not to be despised, but should be prayed for.

When the man stops providing lollipops and says pass out the Koolaid these people will drink it. The big lollipop has now been given, we will be your salvation. Even though it failed, it is being given again. You will fail if you don't follow us and do as you are told, we are your salvation. Now, it's is a new date October, 21 2011. The biggest lollipop will be the cup of Koolaid and we will go to our reward as a GROUP and they will drink.

Remember Waco, Texas?

Follow us, follow us, This group also praises itself. The people need your prayers not your anger.

These people keep offering salvation to their congregation and failure if you don't FOLLOW and do what they tell them, or ask of them.

Pray for those folks to open their eyes and minds and start thinking for themselves as individuals.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 28, 2011, 07:25:16 AM
  These "people"...and I use that term loosely are mostly one FAMILY...the preacher is the father of most of them. I WILL be at the protest to block them. They disgust me. They are the nut-case side of "getting back to our Christian values"
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2011, 08:07:27 AM
  These "people"...and I use that term loosely are mostly one FAMILY...the preacher is the father of most of them. I WILL be at the protest to block them. They disgust me. They are the nut-case side of "getting back to our Christian values"

They have followers, they are not outhere by themselves. I agree they, the leaders are disgusting. Did you hear about the follower, the mother that slit her two childrens throats so they would not have to suffer the end of the world. She failed with her own suicide. She wasn't thinking for herself, she was following what she was told. That church was the "ONE" for her, the group that lead her. She was a sheeple.

The group mentallity is to protest and that church thrives on it. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 28, 2011, 12:44:59 PM
The group mentallity is to protest and that church thrives on it. To the tune of millions and millions of dollars.

Group mentalities are surprisingly easy to create with advanced techniques that employ the Hegelian 'consensus' process of leading people.  When people in a group are led by someone who only 'facilitates' and that 'leader' is well versed in group dynamics they can be rather easily led to believe an idea is theirs, then they will defend it vigorously.

Kinda like the way community conversations operate across the country.  Consensus or one mindedness is the goal.  Isolated small groups, likable facilitators, ideas brought up, dissenters ostracized as 'blocking the process', little pieces of paper carry individual ideas to the leader, group takes the leader's word on the final input tally (consensus), no open debate, group assumes leader is presenting the majority view so they follow.... or are mislead.  Of course, very few (other than the leadership) really know what was on all those papers. Do they?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2011, 01:50:03 PM
That's why I ask who is Elk Konnected,LLC, who runs the show. The followers/volunteers themselves should be interested in who they are following. I use  the word followers becaus I have been informed that is what the are refered to behind the closed door of Elk Konnected, LLC. So, why doesn't tell everyone who they are exactly?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on May 28, 2011, 07:29:27 PM
 These will be my last comments on this subject because I can tell I am making a few angry which was not at all my intent
  You apparently  think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently? They can't think for themselves already? Perhaps they totally agree with how things are being handled and do know the ins and outs, have weighed the positives against the negatives and chose to go in the directions they are going with full knowledge. Perhaps they don't see anything sinister in the slips of paper and seating arrangements that apparently bother you.  Even Robert's Rules allow a secret ballot on sensitive subjects.
 Not everybody is a John Hancock but that doesn't mean they are less capable. You have presented enough questions that people could go back and find out the organizational details now, if they didn't back in the beginning.  You could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.  
   Again, money seems to be an issue. I would think that spending money ,even tax money sometimes, for those hot dogs and "lollipops" would benefit one of your local vendors and be good for the economy, as are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events.  Even as a tax deduction for a donator ( I know some things have local sponsors.)    Those free movies that get shown might be rented somehow. Doesn't somebody make some local money from that? I could be wrong on that one. Aren't taxes meant to be spent? Is the real problem a difference of opinion as to how?
   For me personally, my family paid taxes there for much longer than any of us  on here have been alive. This is my last comment  unless someone asks a question I  feel I need to answer.  Hope you all are having nice weather for all your activities this weekend.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 28, 2011, 09:22:29 PM
These will be my last comments on this subject because I can tell I am making a few angry which was not at all my intent
  You apparently  think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently? They can't think for themselves already? Perhaps they totally agree with how things are being handled and do know the ins and outs, have weighed the positives against the negatives and chose to go in the directions they are going with full knowledge. Perhaps they don't see anything sinister in the slips of paper and seating arrangements that apparently bother you.  Even Robert's Rules allow a secret ballot on sensitive subjects.
 Not everybody is a John Hancock but that doesn't mean they are less capable. You have presented enough questions that people could go back and find out the organizational details now, if they didn't back in the beginning.  You could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.   
   Again, money seems to be an issue. I would think that spending money ,even tax money sometimes, for those hot dogs and "lollipops" would benefit one of your local vendors and be good for the economy, as are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events.  Even as a tax deduction for a donator ( I know some things have local sponsors.)    Those free movies that get shown might be rented somehow. Doesn't somebody make some local money from that? I could be wrong on that one. Aren't taxes meant to be spent? Is the real problem a difference of opinion as to how?
   For me personally, my family paid taxes there for much longer than any of us  on this unless some one asks a question I  feel I need to answer.  Hope you all are having nice weather for all your activities this weekend.
You said, "are the sales of the beans for the bean feeds and supplies for the fairs and 4-H events." You are confusing the issues, These are not Elk Konnected, LLC functions yet. They are the functions of individual communities that have been going on for years. But it sounds to me like you want Elk Konnected, LLC to take full control of the county then those functions would be controlled by Elk Konnected, LLC.

You said, "Aren't taxes meant to be spent?" Yes, but not foolishly. The county has debts to pay and road machinery & fire department nd many other things tto maintain. Do you suggest because we have a county commissioner on Elk Konnected, we cater to them?

You said, "You apparently  think the "followers" don't know they are being "led" and if they knew they would think differently?" You just don't get it. There is a big difference between the us of the words one is used behind closed doors, think about that. The other openly. After letting that sink in, do you get it?

Let me explainit this way. In the service men would call their supervisors "fly" behind their back, what's signifacant about that. A fly is just a simple litttle insect, nothing significant, But think what does a fly do? Eats sh@t and bothers people.  Wake up.

You said, "It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record." No, not all the information is.

We are interested in Elk Konnected, LLC's registered members coming out of the closet
and having a conversation. Who, who, whoo are you?

We had a pretty nice day and the reat of the weekend is suppose to be the same. I hope your weekend is clear and beautiful.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 29, 2011, 08:27:55 AM
Aren't taxes meant to be spent?

Absolutely. Only on Necessary Operational expenses of the Government.  Not some organizations personal slush fund.   Anything outside of necessary things like infrastructure, salaries of its people that work for it(even that is budgeted and watched), but not for as someone said football jerseys, and baseballs. Let the parents of the kids pay for those things or some company pay for it out of their pockets by sponsoring.   

This is why OUR GOVERNMENT Is out of control today at 14+ trillion dollars. Everyone is treating it as a personal slush fund.
w
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 09:16:13 AM
Quote
You could too, if you chose to look up the information up rather than just want your questions answered verbally. It all has to be in Kansas/Elk County record.   

The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2.  The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3.  Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4.  Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?

I may be off base in the above, yet as an outsider I would questions the methods and procedures.
Our weather is beautiful here, enjoy your weekend!
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 29, 2011, 10:00:39 AM
Absolutely. Only on Necessary Operational expenses of the Government.  Not some organizations personal slush fund.   Anything outside of necessary things like infrastructure, salaries of its people that work for it(even that is budgeted and watched), but not for as someone said football jerseys, and baseballs. Let the parents of the kids pay for those things or some company pay for it out of their pockets by sponsoring.   

This is why OUR GOVERNMENT Is out of control today at 14+ trillion dollars. Everyone is treating it as a personal slush fund.
w
AMEN
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 29, 2011, 10:11:47 AM
The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2.  The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3.  Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4.  Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?
Ready

The names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on May 29, 2011, 10:15:53 AM
Be on my way to Joplin shortly......Ross......no doubt those "people" thrive on what they consider attention but if you think lettin them tell grieving parents, husbands, wives and children that their deceased had it comin AT THE F-in funeral and spittin in their faces is not somethin that ought to be stopped by any means necessary I feel REAL sorry for YOU

You guys and your "sheeple" shit...evidently the only people who ARENT sheeple are the ones who agree with YOU!! Anybody who doesnt agree with YOU "ate the lollipop" WHATTHEHELLEVER.

I WONT be readin so dont bother tryin to "shame" me for my language or anything because I said what I meant and meant what I said...Have a nice day  :)

you're like don quixote tiltin at windmills dude
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 10:49:14 AM
The only thngs that might be on record, is only to satisfy the requirements to file for an LLC, which was posted earlier.
The questions that being asked, IMHO are as to 1. who are the members (which isn't required at filing); 2.  The baseline INTENT of the goals; 3.  Exactly "whose" monies are being used, and is it the best interest for the County as a whole, and finally; 4.  Is Elk Konnected LLC representing the county as a whole, and not just a selected few?

I may be off base in the above, yet as an outsider I would questions the methods and procedures.
Our weather is beautiful here, enjoy your weekend!
Ready


Well said.  Those answers would make a very good start.
Note:   1)  This is a PRIVATELY OWNED company, and; 2)  lawful membership (ownership) can change by an organizational arrangement from time to time. Just like a registered partnership, and; 3)  Volunteers and  other supporters are NOT the same as owners.

There are answers. 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 10:51:45 AM
Quote
The names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?

Uh, mom if you were referring to me, and since you edited that last part....I did state that it was already posted, and that I am not from your county, but it was IMHO  (In My Honest Opinion) and was just asking unbiased questions.

If, perhaps some members would say who they are then those that are interested can go meet them face to face, one on one.
God Bless those that fell before our time, either in conflict or natural.  This weekend is to honor those.
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 10:59:23 AM
The names of the original officers have been posted on the forum, and the link to them has been posted as well. Several communities in the county were represented. Why isn't that sufficient? Have any of you guys gone and talked to them, one on one?

Well, since 'officers' is a term used to designate a legal position in a corporation, it does not really mean much here.  An LLC has 'admitted members and sometimes 'managing members',  Language is important, at least that's what the good teachers I had used to say.

If these people are smart enough to rebuild, reshape and LEAD a whole county, surely they are smart enough to know these things?  If not, then a whole new set of questions arise.

Now, if the names of the original admitted members is here, I can't find em.  Would you please quote that post here?  Or provide the link to it.

Until then... who are the admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?  Is there a properly appointed managing member? 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 11:07:34 AM
If, perhaps some members would say who they are then those that are interested can go meet them face to face, one on one.

Yup.  If they would identify here, it would also be helpful if they would be willing to answer remaining questions in an open public forum such as this as well.  Public forums provide so much nice sunshine and fresh air, don't you agree?  Not to mention the chance to avoid the "he said/she said" and misquotation problems.

Will a real admitted EK, LLC member/manager please stand up?


God Bless those that fell before our time, either in conflict or natural.  This weekend is to honor those.

Amen.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 11:42:58 AM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum?  Do any of them know that they are being questioned?  There is a link to the postings of the memberships.  I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted.  All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings.  I found it. You can, too.  Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.

I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee.  All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for.  If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.

Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 29, 2011, 11:50:12 AM
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shut up and sit down

wow, just wow! :o
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 12:38:48 PM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum?  Do any of them know that they are being questioned?  There is a link to the postings of the memberships.  I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted.  All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings.  I found it. You can, too.  Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.

I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee.  All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for.  If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.

OK lady, I did some research... I've just waded through all 150+ of Mrs Hendricks posts on this forum.  Aside from her involvement in family and other Mutual Admiration Society cheer leading,  updates on her recreational activities, her endearment to you over your whining about profanity in your neighborhood, ramblings about the school changes in past years and a propensity to gloat about abilities of EK to suck money out of the public grant trough, there are no answers to our current questions.

The 'Elk Konnected' names she identified were in posts made well before Elk Konnected, LLC was legally formed in Kansas: 09/30/2009

So the questions remain. 


Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.

Like Ready said, "Wow, just wow!"

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 12:41:40 PM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum?  Do any of them know that they are being questioned?

One more thing.  If you believe they're not reading or being updated on this thread, you're screwier than a fruit bat.  
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 29, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
 
Wow is right Patriot. This rudeness coming on Memorial / Decoration Day weekend. The holiday to honor our fallen military brothers & sisters. This is your and Ross's punishment for not getting killed in a war, like all good soldiers are supposed to do. Kinda takes you  back to the "60's" huh ?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 29, 2011, 01:26:20 PM
Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum?  Do any of them know that they are being questioned?  There is a link to the postings of the memberships.  I can't tell you where it is because I am not going to do your research for you and I don't remember just where it was posted.  All the information you are wanting is in LHendricks postings.  I found it. You can, too.  Then, instead of repeating over and over, just make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.

I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee.  All well respected, long time citizens of Elk County, one of whom I used to work for.  If these people can't be trusted, then no one short of God, can.

Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.

[quote Are you guys sure that any of the EKLLC members are even reading this forum? [/quote]
Sure they are, or they have people reporting to them. You can bet on it.
[quote instead of repeating over and over  [/quote]
Perhaps we don't mind repeating ourselves, and perhaps the registered Elk Konnected, LLC people will eventually speak up.
[quote I have no problems with any of the EKLLC after I read the names of the steering committee. [/quote]
Perhaps you are easily impressed or lead. But are they the registered members or just more followers/ volunteers.
[quote make an appointment with one of them and go talk to them about your concerns.[/quote]
We have made an appointment with them right here. They want to have public community conversations. How much more of a public community conversation can they hav then right here.
[quote Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.[/quote]
Why yes ma'am it has been said. But it wasn't the owners of this web site. I do believe they have that say. So, we just basically ignored that message.

I believe the owners of the site believe in free speech and God bless them for that.

Will the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members please come out and talk with us the public in Elk County, Kansas?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 01:38:20 PM
Quote from Wilma:
Otherwise, as it has been said before, shut up and sit down.
 
Wow is right Patriot. This rudeness coming on Memorial / Decoration Day weekend. The holiday to honor our fallen military brothers & sisters. This is your and Ross's punishment for not getting killed in a war, like all good soldiers are supposed to do. Kinda takes you  back to the "60's" huh ?


The 60's, and the 70's and a healthy chunk of the 80's.  Ahhh, the memories:  "I hear hair growing." , "Murderer.", "Go to hell, warmongering babykiller!", troops being spat upon... in US ariports, train and bus stations & stores, even here in Kansas.... yup, those were the days... and still are.  Many here just don't know... what they had, and still have, thier afternoon soaps and NBC News.... and the right to spout bullcrap like, "sit down & shut up."

P.S.  Thanks for your service Jarhead.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 29, 2011, 05:06:46 PM
Thank you Jarhead, Patriot, Ross and everyone who served. Your service, even though you didn't die for it, gives me my rights as a free American. I sure thank you all for it! And you won't hear me telling you to sit down and shut up. That's just rude!---Jennifer
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 05:34:01 PM
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people.  When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing.  Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 29, 2011, 06:37:35 PM
That would be cyber bullying if it is done on the internet. It's bullying whether or not it's done on the internet or not. But this is not considered harrassment. It is a group of people wanting answers to questions. And I will guarantee that the EK members do know what is being said on this forum, whether they are reading it first hand or having it gossiped to them 2nd hand.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 29, 2011, 06:43:34 PM
Harassment is governed by state laws, which vary by state, but is generally defined as a course of conduct which annoys, threatens, intimidates, alarms, or puts a person in fear of their safety. Harassment is unwanted, unwelcomed and uninvited behavior that demeans, threatens or offends the victim and results in a hostile environment for the victim. Harassing behavior may include, but is not limited to, epithets, derogatory comments or slurs and lewd propositions, assault, impeding or blocking movement, offensive touching or any physical interference with normal work or movement, and visual insults, such as derogatory posters or cartoons.
 
The following is an example of a state law dealing with harassment:
 
"S 240.25 Harassment in the first degree.
 
A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury. This section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.
 
Harassment in the first degree is a class B misdemeanor.
 
S 240.26 Harassment in the second degree.
 
A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person:
 He or she strikes, shoves, kicks or otherwise subjects such other person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same; or
He or she follows a person in or about a public place or places; or
 He or she engages in a course of conduct or repeatedly commits acts which alarm or seriously annoy such other person and which serve no legitimate purpose.
 
Subdivisions two and three of this section shall not apply to activities regulated by the national labor relations act, as amended, the railway labor act, as amended, or the federal employment labor management act, as amended.
 
Harassment in the second degree is a violation.
 
S 240.30 Aggravated harassment in the second degree.
 
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the second degree when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, he or she:
 Either (a) communicates with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (b) causes a communication to be initiated by mechanical or electronic means or otherwise with a person, anonymously or otherwise, by telephone, or by telegraph, mail or any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or
 Makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, with no purpose of legitimate communication; or
 Strikes, shoves, kicks, or otherwise subjects another person to physical contact, or attempts or threatens to do the same because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct; or
Commits the crime of harassment in the first degree and has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment in the first degree as defined by section 240.25 of this article within the preceding ten years.
 
Aggravated harassment in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.
 
S 240.31 Aggravated harassment in the first degree.
 
A person is guilty of aggravated harassment in the first degree when with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm another person, because of a belief or perception regarding such person`s race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, he or she:
 Damages premises primarily used for religious purposes, or acquired pursuant to section six of the religious corporation law and maintained for purposes of religious instruction, and the damage to the premises exceeds fifty dollars; or
 Commits the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree in the manner proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 of this article and has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the second degree for the commission of conduct proscribed by the provisions of subdivision three of section 240.30 or he has been previously convicted of the crime of aggravated harassment in the first degree within the preceding ten years.
 
Aggravated harassment in the first degree is a class E felony.
 
S 240.32 Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate.
 
An inmate or respondent is guilty of aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate when, with intent to harass, annoy, threaten or alarm a person in a facility whom he knows or reasonably should know to be an employee of such facility or the division of parole or the office of mental health, or a probation department, bureau or unit or a police officer, he causes or attempts to cause such employee to come into contact with blood, seminal fluid, urine or feces, by throwing, tossing or expelling such fluid or material.
 
For purposes of this section, "inmate" means an inmate or detainee in a correctional facility, local correctional facility or a hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law. For purposes of this section, "respondent" means a juvenile in a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services who is placed with or committed to the office of children and family services. For purposes of this section, "facility" means a correctional facility or local correctional facility, hospital, as such term is defined in subdivision two of section four hundred of the correction law, or a secure facility operated and maintained by the office of children and family services.
 
Aggravated harassment of an employee by an inmate is a class E felony."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 07:15:59 PM
Well we've tried slander, and that didn't fit.  And since it is not my intent to annoy or alarm, we will have to find another shoe to see if it fits.  We have been seeking answers to perfectly valid questions involving the use of taxpayer monies and the entanglements between a private company and government.  Moreover, any readers have come here voluntarily and were not sought out.  Maybe the non-answers that have been given here, with the associated inferences that the questioners  have nefarious reasons for asking is, itself, libel or harassment.  Hmmmmm.

I have only one thing to say in my defense.... How much total taxpayer money has been used by Elk Konnected, LLC to pay Terry Woodbury and his company for their professional consulting and facilitation services?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 29, 2011, 08:11:52 PM
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people.  When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing.  Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.

(http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1105/mud-slinging-and-smear-tactics-mud-slinger-season-political-poster-1306524899.jpg)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 29, 2011, 09:58:09 PM
Patriot, the answer to your question about taxpayer money can be found at the courthhouse.  It is in the minutes of the commissioners meetings, in the disbursements of the treasurer's office.  It is all public record.  Just go ask.

I am reminded of something my father told me a long time ago.  "The empty wagon rattles the loudest."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 29, 2011, 10:12:50 PM
Quote from Wilma:
I am reminded of something my father told me a long time ago.  "The empty wagon rattles the loudest."
 
Good one Wilma. Them old timers sure had a way with words. I love them. One of my favorites is--" Wisdom does not always come with old age, sometimes old age arrives all alone"
The older I get the more I believe in that. ;)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 29, 2011, 11:16:35 PM

Patriot, the answer to your question about taxpayer money can be found at the courthhouse.  It is in the minutes of the commissioners meetings, in the disbursements of the treasurer's office.  It is all public record.  Just go ask.

Since the question was about Elk Konnected LLCs disbursement of those tax monies (city, county, state & federal)  the county treasurer will be of little help.  But thanks for trying to save the LLCs bacon.  In the future, however, much energy could be saved if you would read the questions more carefully and refrain from trying to answer questions about which you have no understanding or firsthand knowledge.


Good one Wilma. Them old timers sure had a way with words. I love them. One of my favorites is--" Wisdom does not always come with old age, sometimes old age arrives all alone"
The older I get the more I believe in that. ;)

I always liked money "talks & bullsh*t walks".  Of course, sometimes taxpayer money gets awful quiet & answers about its' use seem to walk away from questions about its' use.  Also notice, I'm still here & not walking...


Has Elk Konnected, LLC received nonprofit status under IRS Section 501(c)(3), or is it a for profit company?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 07:46:11 AM
You can't call it taxpayer money until you know that it came from the county or are you talking about federal grants, etc. which anyone that qualifies is entitled to by simply applying for it.  An application doesn't mean that the money will be granted.  You need to find out where the money came from and if it isn't taxpayer money, the organization doesn't have to account for where it goes.  I think that you will find that in Ms. Hendricks early posts she stated that all the money they had used was raised from private donation.  I don't remember anything about asking the county for money at that time.

By the way, why aren't you questioning the other organizations that receive public funds?  What are they doing with all of it?  Is it all being used for the purpose stated?

In other words, why are you picking on one organization?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 10:11:33 AM
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By the way, why aren't you questioning the other organizations that receive public funds?

Are there any other organizations that a county comissioner is so actively involved?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 11:18:58 AM
You can't call it taxpayer money until you know that it came from the county or are you talking about federal grants, etc...

Grant money is taxpayer money.  Where does the government get it?  The last time I checked, all government receives its' money from the taxpayer.  And government does not earn money, it captures money through fees & taxation or by borrowing & government debt is taxpayer debt. Ergo, any money paid out by government is taxpayer money.  I see that government schools were failing earlier than I originally thought.

We have no concern about grant money received from private entities.  We're intelligent enough to make the distinction.

Now how much total government grant money has Elk Konnected, LLC received?  For that matter, how much have they applied for?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 11:22:29 AM
Are there any other organizations that a county comissioner is so actively involved?

And an organization that is also directly involved in allegedly obtaining public input used to influence votes on public policy or obtains county tax money while still voting on those issues.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 11:37:48 AM
In other words, you aren't getting what you want?  Right?  You are peeved because you are being ignored.  Any member of the EKLLC has the right to refuse to come on the forum and debate what you want to debate.  You have the right to continue to ask them questions, if you want, but have you ever heard of butting your head against a stone wall?  I wouldn't give you any answers now, even if I had any.

My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum.  What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it.  And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.

I hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that.  Most of the citizens of Elk County are as upstanding as you can find.  There are a few though, that don't like anything that they didn't think of first.  And if they aren't treated like royalty when they show up someplace, they are offended and swear that they will never go back.  Instead they just bad mouth the organization by any means possible.  Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Roma Jean Turner on May 30, 2011, 11:51:06 AM
It is good to stand back and get a little perspective.  It is easy to feel like the Forum is Elk Co.  Just a small percentage of the county probably even looks at the this.  Out of that probably a small percentage could care less.  However, it does serve as an audience for those looking for one.  In the grand scheme of things, this little thread is BUPKUS.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 11:55:53 AM

My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum.  What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it.  And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.

Letting us do it?  From what despot government egg did you hatch?  Letting us do it?  

Come on Wilma, who's telling you what to post here?  Surely you aren't personally so ignorant of government affairs, the Constitution and free speech!  Perhaps some readers don't defend, because they know we are right.

Ok, which Elk Konnected manager is coaching you?

Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.

No, judge by reason  based on the logic and facts presented.  Judge with a soiund knowledge of how government is expected to behave, judge on matters of fact, not emotion.  Judge knowing that our county has been shrinking for years under the same leadership.  Judge knowing that ACORN style 'community organization' erodes government's proper roles.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on May 30, 2011, 12:20:13 PM
Ok, which Elk Konnected manager is coaching you?

Now, that's just funny. If you think Wilma is being "coached" then you don't know Wilma!
 ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on May 30, 2011, 12:25:01 PM
Quote from Wilma:
hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that
 
Whoa there Hoss !! Which one of the hanger -oners (is that a word ?? ) are you calling an idiot ? The ones asking the questions or the ones telling them to shut the hell up ? Please clear this up.
Respectfully: A Possible/ probably  Elk County Idiot
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 01:15:28 PM
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Please don't shut up! Someday you all WILL get your answers and many people will be shocked about it if they can take the blinders off first! That's all I'm going to say on this matter. You two just need to keep up the good fight!

It took me a while to find this post, but that comment has stuck in my craw for several days.  My craw lives in my basement! ;D

Blinders can be applied to both sides having this discussion!  Crap, I have spent more time on this thread then I have watching my favorite soaps.  And to be honest, the soaps have the same scenes and drama day after day...I missed one whole year, and picked up right where I left off.  So, for those of you that want this thread to cease and disist....then, there is an X at the upper right hand corner of your screen...please feel free to use it. 
Otherwise, the opposite of the old adage "WHat you dont know can't hurt you" may not be applicable here.

Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 30, 2011, 01:30:09 PM
I think that you will find that in Ms. Hendricks early posts she stated that all the money they had used was raised from private donation.  I don't remember anything about asking the county for money at that time.

key words...AT THAT TIME.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 01:36:56 PM
thank you kshibilly.  I am sure there is more to this....perhaps convoluted?  Either way, as long as it is not a "bait and switch"  I can live with the answers in time....just can't live with anyone else! :-\

thank you.
ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on May 30, 2011, 01:45:57 PM
Quote from Wilma:
hope that all of you hanger-ons that are reading this thread and sitting there laughing about the idiots in Elk County don't believe that all of Elk County is llike that
 
Whoa there Hoss !! Which one of the hanger -oners (is that a word ?? ) are you calling an idiot ? The ones asking the questions or the ones telling them to shut the hell up ? Please clear this up.
Respectfully: A Possible/ probably  Elk County Idiot


I would take that comment to mean that anyone reading this thread is a "hanger on" so therefore ALL people reading this thread are the idiots! Sticks and stones, Jarhead, sticks and stones!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 01:51:15 PM
yes....hanger-oners is actually a word:
"The jury found that there was impropriety going on in a trial, so the jury came back with the verdict:

"There is only one verdict:  hang-yer-honers"
 :P
ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 30, 2011, 02:07:13 PM
My main issue is that you are maligning our public officials, challenging them to answer YOUR questions on a public forum.  What I can't understand is why Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz are standing by and letting you do it.  And why other members of this forum are not coming to the defense of the group that is being impugned.

That is because they are required to answer to us.  IF we want toknow where the money is going, then they as public SERVANTs have to account for the money.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 02:24:04 PM
Are they required to answer on a public forum?  Isn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse? Or if someone perceive's impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county.  I can't think of what that committee is called, but they are the ones that nominate the replacement for an empty seat.  At the very least, there is always the recall of the elected official of which I have heard nothing. 

Why is this being done on cyberspace?  Why is it being shared with the whole world?  Don't you think you can get enough support within the county?  And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do?  And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything.  A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County".  Just what is your motive?

Jarhead:  You definitely are not a hanger-on.  You and Sarge are two of the most sensible people that post on this forum and I enjoy your posts especially when you are joshing each other. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 02:26:57 PM
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To attack as false or questionable; challenge in argument
defention of "impugned"  for all of us idiots thinking of moving to Elk County.  (And by the way, I did live in Elk County for 5 years..)

A forum is about discussion, different ideas and yes, some heated discussion.  
It is open to the public and viewable by anyone who has an internet.  or, who is sitting next to the person that has one.

If Elk Konnected LLC was formed in '99  what did the other comissioners say about this LLC and it's helping the community...I am thinking its injest was just the start.   Jontra was a teacher at one time...and he had nothing to say, if it was on the up and up?
Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 02:29:58 PM
Well, idiot or not, I remain because I refuse to be manipulated, shamed or ordered into silence or submission by those who use deflection to divert the debate who refuse to adequately address simple, valid and straightforward questions.  Questions regarding the acceptance and uses of taxpayer monies by private entities.  Questions about the appropriateness of the actions and involvements of elected officials in the activities of the same private entities.  Questions about the use of professional facilitation techniques that purport to determine public opinion using non-democratic methods and then use those 'findings' to attempt to influence decisions of elected officials in matters where the elected officials may have employed the very facilitators who obtain the claimed 'public opinion.  Questions about why the same government officials persist in voting (rather than recusing) to award taxpayer monies to those who represent the very company in which they themselves may play a managing role.  As well as others questions involving government officials and taxpayer funded resources.

Why do elected commissioners refuse to have open debate at public hearings regarding the use of taxpayer monies?

Why do some commissioners refer to public input at such forums 'bitching that they would rather not listen to?

Why do some elected officials instead prefer to allow privately owned concerns do their jobs of talking directly with their constituents at large?

Why do some elected officials encourage the community organization tactics (of a private company that they openly support) that necessitate a of paying a third party specialist to simply determine public opinion in a population of less than 3000?

So, who owns Elk Konnected, LLC, and who privately sets their public agenda and makes decisions about outside specialists they employ...... and why?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 02:31:25 PM
Wilma, why are you so against this thread?  Is it because you are embarrassed, or you think the method of questioning is wrong in this arena....???  I think there are facts that have been brought to the light that really need to be addressed.  Ross and others are trying to address it.  Go ahead and shoot......

.....aim ....duck
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 02:41:25 PM
I should have used the word "onset"....as not to confuse  my bad :'( :'(
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 02:53:08 PM
Are they required to answer on a public forum?  

No.  But their continued silence is deafening to some.

Isn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse?

And sometimes in the court of public opinion.

Or if someone perceive's impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county.

Or some higher official, for that matter.  And what makes you think it hasn't been?

Why is this being done on cyberspace?  Why is it being shared with the whole world?  

Why shouldn't it be?  Is there something involving local government that needs to be hidden?

Don't you think you can get enough support within the county?

Do you think our questions and the need for answers are totally unsupported by local taxpayers and voters?

And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do?  And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything.  

"Page of words that don't mean anything"... sorta like your posts and those of others that evade the issues being addressed?

A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County".  Just what is your motive?

I, personally, have no interest in getting anyone who doesn't deserve to be gotten.  What I want is honest debate, discussion, and truth.  Why does it need to be about 'getting' someone?  As to public corruption, that answer should be self apparent.

Once again, your questions have been answered, ours have not.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 04:45:26 PM
kshillbillys:  By my own definition, I am an idiot, too.  But I do not like the talk about elected officials that is going on without any facts being presented.

Thank you, Mom, you are absolutely right.  I don't have to be told what to think by anyone or about anything.

Ready, don't you think that if there was something wrong, that Mr. Jontra would have had something to say about it.  And the rest of you, don't you think that Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz would be doing something about it?

Patriot:  Is this private entity that you are talking about, a business for profit or a non-profit organization for the benefit of Elk County citizens?

Ready:  I never did believe in hanging my dirty laundry out on the line for everyone to see.  Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county.  I don't like the method that is being used.  There are surely other means to the end, like the ones mentioned in my previous post.  I don't think that calling someone out is the best way to make progress.  It certainly isn't working here, is it?

Two hours later.  I had company drop in and had to let this wait.  I think I have said about everything I need to for now except for one thing.

Ready, if there are things that have been brought out and they are illegal, then it is time for action, not words.  And the legal process is NOT demanding that someone come on this forum and answer questions.  As far as I am concerned the honest, upright citizens of this county will take action if it is necessary.  So far, I haven't seen anything to make that action necessary.

If Patriot and Ross have something that we should all know, then it is time to at least take it to the Democratic Committee for their consideration.  Maybe that isn't the place to start, either.  I don't know, but I am sure that it isn't airing it in front of the entire universe.

Patriot, so you think there is public corruption involved here.  Just who do you think is involved and why?  And don't tell me again about seed money or grants or donations unless you think one or more of our elected officials are pocketing some of it.  And if you make that accusation, you had better be ready to prove it.  As far as I am concerned, it has been posted as to where the money came from and where it went and I don't see any of it being used for the benefit of anyone except the citizens of Elk County.  Just how could ONE of our commissioners pull this off or do you think all three of them are involved.  After all, it does take two votes to pass anything.

I know you are talking about federal grants, etc. which do come from our tax money, but you still have to prove that it is being used to line someone's pocket instead of the intended purpose.  Why can't you name the grants, etc.. the amounts, where and how much went where?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 30, 2011, 05:25:06 PM
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Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county.  I don't like the method that is being used.  There are surely other means to the end, like the ones mentioned in my previous post.  I don't think that calling someone out is the best way to make progress.  It certainly isn't working here, is it?


I don't know about whether it is working, ma'am however if "you have nothing to hide, no harm, no foul"
"Calling someone (or in this case, a situation) out is not about one particular person, it is about an entity"

I think your statement says alot about you, Wilma:  "Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county."
That statement is a very sad state as to anyone in Elk County...if they acknowledge that there is something out of whack.

Tell you what, I will agree to disagree with you, and good luck with your 'own' laundry.


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Ready, don't you think that if there was something wrong, that Mr. Jontra would have had something to say about it.  And the rest of you, don't you think that Mr. Liebau and Mr. Ritz would be doing something about it?


Ready
Perhaps it is a 2-1 vote then, as it is now?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 30, 2011, 07:03:44 PM
And what is even more rude is the continuous harassing of other people.  When it is done via internet it is called "bullying" and isn't just a teen age thing.  Except some "adults" are acting like seventh graders.
You have your opinion, and you are entitled to it,we have ours and are entitled to our opinion. We have not been rude by telling anyone to "Shut the Hell up".
My guess is that was an Elk Konnected, LLC registered member but they are to afraid to have a real conversation.
I don't see where we are harrassing other people we are talking to a company that claims to be here for our good as county citizens.
They have a few followers called volunteers but they won't say who they themselves (Elk Konnected, LLC) are. They just want to use kids as a tool to get our taxdollars with out saying who they are. Why?

Someone said they are well respected people, then why hide? Are they well respected like President Clinton and Monica Lewinski, are they well respected like the wall street people that have drove our country into financial crisis. What??? They are so well respected so they are hiding.

Who are the Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 30, 2011, 08:16:49 PM
Please, readers of this forum, don't judge all of us by the majority of the postings on this thread.

Also please don't judge us by the shenanigans of a very few that are involved with elk Konnected, LLC. The few that are in hiding. To cowardly to come forward and have a decent conversation. But are not to proud to write letters as a third person patting themselves on the back.

Instead llok and see for your self who is on the staff of Public Squares Communities,LLC (the company hired by Elk Konnected, LLC) our County Commissioner -- Liz Hendricks
Click the word Staff and read the drop down at http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/

See who is listed on Elk Konnected, LLC's webpage --- our County Commissioner ---Liz Hendricks listed as our County Commissioner
and her brother-in-law.
At http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/

See how Elk Konnected, LLC slams one of our communities for not following what Elk Konnected, LLC wanted them to do. They have their own city council them and made their own decisions. I ask is Elk Konnected, LLC going to start telling us where we can shop.
It reads, "In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder “What is the future of Elk County”? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
The county wide trash service is a private company in competition with other private companies.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php

Read the letter from or County Commissioner --- Liz Hendricks --- to herself as Elk Konnected, LLC at
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/resources/kcl0511.pdf

Then make up your own mind, and no it's not but a few people in Elk County, that are being taken in by this organization that refuses to talk openly with out an outsider fro Wichita, Kansas controlling every move at so called community conversations. They are anything but community conversations.

Also see http://www.cascity.com/howard/?p=21  about
Our suggestions are to use more aggressively the tools we now have in place.  The Prairie Star published by Taylor News (www.taylornews.org) and the Elk County Forum (www.cascity.com/howard) hosted by Teresa Heilevang.
 
All area libraries have computer labs and some have wireless capabilities for those who do not have high speed access.
 


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 08:38:15 PM
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be.  Have you tried doing it the right way?

Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 30, 2011, 08:49:03 PM
Ready:  I never did believe in hanging my dirty laundry out on the line for everyone to see.  Anything that might be wrong in this county should be kept in this county.  I don't like the method that is being used.  
That's rich, Elk Konnected, LLC does it all over the internet. But we are not to do it. Is that right.
See how Elk Konnected, LLC slams one of our communities for not following what Elk Konnected, LLC wanted them to do. They have their own city council them and made their own decisions. I ask is Elk Konnected, LLC going to start telling us where we can shop.
It reads, "In early 2007, Elk County was experiencing some events that made a resident wonder “What is the future of Elk County”? With a county population of only 3000, one tiny town spends time and energy wanting to pull out of the county wide trash service."
The county wide trash service is a private company in competition with other private companies.
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/aboutus.php

Is that staying in the county or any of the other links of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Is bringing in an outsider to rule over so called community conversations, keeping it in the county.

Where are your ethics? Are you saying asking questions of this organization airing dirty laundry?????

Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC ?????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 30, 2011, 08:54:38 PM
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be.  Have you tried doing it the right way?

Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215

Why don't you use that to report the harrassment and bullying you have accused us of?

We want Elk Konnected, LLC to come forward, come out in the open and have a real conversation.
Who are the registered members of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 09:23:06 PM
Have you tried doing it the right way?

So you are saying that free public speech in a republic is the WRONG way?  Interesting view Wilma, even if wrongheaded. 

Why would legal action be your first approach?  Wouldn't open public discussion and debate be a better first approach in America?  One doesn't even have to be a law scholar or history professor to answer that. Any well taught high school student could see it.

Why would you or others want to restrict or limit free and open discussion?  That's how the leader in Syria is handling things right now.  Sorta like "sit down and shut up."  Doesn't much allow a diverse public to have their say, does it?  Why would you want to prevent others from seeing our questions the responses (or lack thereof) and allowing them to make up their own minds?  Isn't that their choice?

Sunshine is a wonderful disinfectant... No?

Now, who runs was Elk Konnected, LLC and how do they envision the promotion of real growth in Elk County.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 30, 2011, 09:32:07 PM
Are they required to answer on a public forum?
As a matter of fact YES they are.  Thats why we have meetings. The meetings are public forums.


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  Isn't the place for questions regarding the propriety of an elected official in the courthouse?

NO Ma'am.  I question them in the courthouse, on the street in the restaurant, anywhere i might see them.  Their job is to keep us informed, AND I CALL THEM as well as email and write them. 


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Or if someone perceives impropriety on the part of an elected official, shouldn't it be taken to the county attorney or to the members of that person's political party within the county.  I can't think of what that committee is called, but they are the ones that nominate the replacement for an empty seat.  At the very least, there is always the recall of the elected official of which I have heard nothing. 
It is better to determine that information up front before you go to a Attorney General since you are quite possibly setting yourself up for a liable lawsuit. 


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Why is this being done on cyberspace?  Why is it being shared with the whole world?  Don't you think you can get enough support within the county?  And by the way, just what is it that you are trying to do?  And don't give me another whole page of words that don't mean anything.  A simple answer of "we are trying to get Ms. Hendricks out of office" will do, or "we are trying to show corruption within Elk County".  Just what is your motive?
As good a place as any.  Its commonly accepted now as a means of discussing and questioning. You can thank OBAMA for that one, he is the one who pushed the use of it for Government campaigning and oversight.  Remember the "promise of transparency"!

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 30, 2011, 09:36:49 PM
OK, here is someone who can help and, incidentally, also, the place that suspected elected official corruption should be.  Have you tried doing it the right way?

Derek Schmidt, Attorney General
1-888-428-8436 or
1-(785) 296-2215

I thought you wanted to keep it in the county, you know airing dirty laundry....
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 30, 2011, 09:38:47 PM
So you are saying that free public speech in a republic is the WRONG way?  Interesting view Wilma, even if wrongheaded. 

Why would legal action be your first approach?  Wouldn't open public discussion and debate be a better first approach in America?  One doesn't even have to be a law scholar or history professor to answer that. Any well taught high school student could see it.
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Welcome to the USSA
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 30, 2011, 10:08:14 PM
You want answers, don't you?  In a situation where corruption is suspected, the Attorney General office is the place to take care of it?  They can get answers where you can't and isn't that what you want?  Answers?  What does it matter who gets them?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 30, 2011, 10:11:54 PM
You want answers, don't you?  In a situation where corruption is suspected, the Attorney General office is the place to take care of it?  They can get answers where you can't and isn't that what you want?  Answers?  What does it matter who gets them?

You're missing the bigger picture, Wilma.

Oh,while were chatting, are you an admitted member, manager, or employee of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 07:30:07 AM
there is a post here on Elk County Forum Wilma that has a link that is very educational.
It explains how Elk Konnected, LLC was able to produce their list for the wind farm monies
so quickly at the wind farm conversation. The list is at the beginninig of this thread.
It was provided to the people at that meeting before they left.
Ask yourself, how did they produce 200 typed and stapled, corrolated and printed pages so quickly,
in an empty building. They were more than likely pre-produced.

The link is http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html
please read and learn.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on May 31, 2011, 07:44:35 AM
LOL, i Forgot about that tactic.  Fits ELK Connected to a T
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 08:03:15 AM
Wilma you really sound like a nice lady.
But on an occassion you have asked us to clarify
or explain what something says. you would say something
like, explain this so an 81 year old woman can understand it.
I have never really believed you have had any problem understanding any of it.
I have sisters your age and they are pretty sharp too.
I believe you are quite intellegent and have just been playing us.
I have been a bit slow on recognizing this situation.
But that brings to mind a question for me.
If you really don't understand would you mind, telling us who from Elk Konnected, LLC is telling you what to say on here?

What is your stake in Elk Konnected, LLC.

Or to quote Patriot, "Are you an admitted member, manager, or employee of Elk Konnected, LLC?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 31, 2011, 08:18:26 AM
No, I am not a member, nor will I be.  I am not able to contribute anything to their activities.

Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance.  You don't think the leaders went unprepared, do you?  A good leader has researched and prepared for a meeting.  What they had prepared was probably taken from the results of similar meetings and was used as a starting place for the EKLLC participants.

When I was leading the meetings of an organization, I always had my notes in front of me so I wouldn't forget anything that needed to be brought up.  People do need to be primed to have a successful meeting.  Some people have very good suggestions but lack the confidence to present it unless they can see that someone else is thinking the same way.  It is apparent to me that you are not skilled in productive cooperation.  

Ross, my interest in this is that I am an Elk County citizen and I do not like the way Elk County citizens are being portrayed in this thread.  I do not like what people all over the world must be thinking about Elk County from what they are reading here.  It is all beginning to sound like a lynch mob.

On the other hand, if there is some illegal activity as you imply, it needs to be turned over to the proper authorities to be taken care of.  If one of our elected officials is using tax money for personal benefit, it is a situation that needs to be turned over to the Attorney General to be investigated properly.  By not turning it over, you are perpetuating a criminal situation.  If you have evidence and you are not turning it in, you are becoming an accessory to, an accomplice to and aiding and abetting the criminal. 

I am not trying to protect anyone other than the county, but it kind of sounds as if you are when you haven't reported a crime.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 08:35:37 AM
No, I am not a member, nor will I be.  I am not able to contribute anything to their activities.

Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance.  You don't think the leaders went unprepared, do you?  A good leader has researched and prepared for a meeting.  What they had prepared was probably taken from the results of similar meetings and was used as a starting place for the EKLLC participants.


Thank you Wilma you are a gracious lady. I appreciate the honest answer.

You said, "Of course all the printed, correlated material was prepared in advance."
I'm sorry Wilma, but that was why the so called Community Conversation with all the control factions were in place, to come up with what the public talked about in those circles of chairs. They could not have known what people would say before the meeting. Unless they had total control. And they did.

I understand not that my actions at the beginning of the meeting, even though I was extremely polite only insured their control of the group. Can't you see that?

Wo are Elk Konnected, LLC registered members?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 08:40:16 AM
It seems that flintauqua likes to leave this thread to start another thread to make accusations.
Please go to http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11923.0.html to catch up
on flintauqua sneaky approach and accusations. You might enjoy the read.

flintauqua are you a registered Elk Konnected, LLC Member?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 31, 2011, 11:57:16 AM
It is amazing that in light of the information red posted here:  http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11957.0.html) and the uncanny relationship it has to Elk Konnect, LLC that some people still refuse to stop and ask:  Who is Elk Konnected, LLC, and do we really know the whole story?

Other than taking tax dollars, 'imposed community standards', ballgames for the kids and slams on the Elk Falls community over trash service changes.... what, specifically,  do they envision for the future growth of.Elk County? 

How do they propose to grow the population?

What are they doing to attract new, job producing business or industry?

How will they help improve major infrastructure?

What, besides continuing to seek out 'free' grant money, do they suggest regarding the highest property tax rates in KS, obscene spending, rising county debt, etc.?

Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 12:16:15 PM
You said,"I see no conflict of interest if the city sees that the cheapest place to purchase things is here in town."  Why are you confusing city councils with a topic on Elk Konnected, LLC and the County commissioners?

I can believe you are not an Elk Konnected, LLC registered member, but who is?
Why start another thread to bad mouth people on this thread? http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11960.0.html
Come here and bad mouth me, I can handle it.

Who is Elk Konnected, LLC? Why won't they use this forum like they said they would. Come out, come out where ever you are.
Copied from another thread.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 31, 2011, 01:54:55 PM
1.  Who wrote the grants to get these monies, and at whose suggestion?  (and were all involved with the receipients)
2.  Were there other grants written for infrastructures such as bridges and firehouses?
3.  Does the person writing these grants have the blessed/blessing votes from the comissioners?  I'm not talking about the Wnd Fall Project rather the yearly budget spendings.

Just a few ponderings to try to see where the circle of truth started...The chicken or the egg? 
Questioning is one thing for a project.  Is there a pattern of this happening at every meeting?
The county comissioners were elected to speak for the county.  We just ask for accountability.

Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on May 31, 2011, 02:38:02 PM
Now, you are really getting me confused.  First you insinuate that one of our commissioners is lining his/her pockets with taxpayer money by being associated with an organization that gets money from the Elk County Board of Commissioners.  Isn't that an illegal activity?

Next you say there is nothing to take to the Attorney General.  If you have nothing, then why are you still on here spouting about what you know?

As to the grants that have been written, there are people that write up the applications for grants for entities because they have the training and the time to do it and they get paid for it.  Is that a crime?

Who are the registered members of EKLLC?  I would say every decent citizen of Elk County that wants to see their county be a happy productive place to be.  I know that the names that I have seen in connection with EKLLC are all good citizens, long time citizens, second or third generation citizens.  Most of the business people in Elk County are on that list.  They are the shakers and movers of our county.  They have had the courage to go out and get their education, then come back and try to make this a better place for everyone.

You, Ross, have long have you been an Elk County citizen?  Patriot, how long?  Steve isn't an Elk County citizen and never has been.  You people out there in cyberspace that are reading and laughing, consider the above information and judge for yourselves just who has the best interests of Elk County in their hearts.

I really don't remember anyone saying that they would use this forum for sharing information, but why should they, when everything that they might say is torn apart, sentence by sentence, disputed, debated, and all slanted to show that EKLLC is not a reputable organization.

I heard someplace that someone on this thread thinks that Liz Hendricks and Kate Whetstone are sisters.  I don't know about Liz, but I do know that Kate doesn't have any sisters.  They are cousins, because their fathers are cousins and possibly their fathers were cousins.  If you can sort out the Perkin's connections, you are doing better than I can.  Yet they are all very fine people, especially Julie Perkins, Kate Perkins (the teacher), Susie Perkins, Lois Perkins and the list goes on.  It's kind of like the Durbins in Moline.  And the Liebaus iin Grenola, not to mention the Jontras.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 31, 2011, 02:53:11 PM
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Now, you are really getting me confused.  First you insinuate that one of our commissioners is lining his/her pockets with taxpayer money by being associated with an organization that gets money from the Elk County Board of Commissioners.  Isn't that an illegal activity?


Whoa now!  I did NOT infer that someone was lining their pockets!  That would be illegal.  However, it is legal to own a business, get a grant to start a business, get an IRB or a tax break and not have to pay business taxes...which is why most business' go bust/or sold  before the IRB is expended.   That is legal, but in my book a little unethical.

I am not spouting, Wilma. I am asking simple questions that the county as a whole should be asking for accountability.

I consider this website to be very informative, and those that don't like politics should probably not be involved.  Those who use the computer on a somewhat inquisitive basis, should have the sense to 'take it with a grain of salt".  I imagine someone from another State would finally same the same things that you are saying regarding a thread started on April Fools Day.

You cannot take anything to the State Attorney General, unless you have facts...and to be quite honest  I really don't think someone would come forward and state, "Yes I am a member and yes we have done such, and such...now try and take us on!"
That will not happen. (anyway, one would first contact the KCCA with findings.)

But what will happen, are people generally trying to understand the inner workings of Elk Konnected LLC so they may make an honest decision about wether to join or support. 
I swear, between you, Ross & Patriot and a few others...it's difficult to find out!

Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 31, 2011, 03:02:13 PM
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As to the grants that have been written, there are people that write up the applications for grants for entities because they have the training and the time to do it and they get paid for it.  Is that a crime?


As long as they are not a comissioner that is affiliated with said group getting the grant...otherwise no, it is not a crime...     I am asking simple questions?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 31, 2011, 04:43:45 PM
I am not spouting, Wilma. I am asking simple questions that the county as a whole should be asking for accountability.

You're right, ready... simple questions deserve simple answers and honest discussion.  Now that you've asked a couple.....DUCK!  ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on May 31, 2011, 04:58:31 PM
What, specifically,  do they envision for the future growth of.Elk County? 
How do they propose to grow the population?
What are they doing to attract new, job producing business or industry?
How will they help improve major infrastructure?
What, besides continuing to seek out 'free' grant money, do they suggest regarding the highest property tax rates in KS, obscene spending, rising county debt, etc.?
Who is Elk Konnected, LLC?

I reiterate... More simple questions that go unanswered.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on May 31, 2011, 05:18:16 PM
Quote
Now that you've asked a couple.....DUCK! 

LOL, well I may be kicked in the rear from something else other than the thing I ducked at!
now, Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: ddurbin on May 31, 2011, 05:50:05 PM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, Who are the legally admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC?

I don’t know.  They won’t tell us.

Daddy, Who is Patriot?

I don’t know.  He won’t tell us.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, Are you a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?

No.

Daddy, Is Uncle Flintauqua a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?

I’d be totally surprised if he was.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  It’s too close to dinnertime.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t want you to spoil your appetite.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Sweet candy isn’t good for you.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  Candy can make you fat.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I think your sister ate the last one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You get hyper when you have lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t like spending money on lollipops.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  I don’t think we have any.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You always make a mess with one.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

No.  You gave yours to the dog the last time.

Daddy, Is Patriot a legally admitted member of Elk Konnected LLC?

He might be.  They’re sneaky like that.

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?

Daddy, May I have a lollipop?








Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: greatguns on May 31, 2011, 07:01:22 PM
srkruzich, can you give me the names of your county comissioners?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 07:49:54 PM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
LOL
No go to your room, you're grounded. ROFLMBO

Do you know who Elk Konnected, LLC is you naughty little boy.
LOL
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on May 31, 2011, 08:40:14 PM

Oh, I better have a a disclaimer there has been an attempt to intimidate me with legal implications.

So here it is, everything I write on here is only my opinion, some are written with links to facts. I have also been accused of being to polite --- to that I must plead guilty. My sincerest apologies to those I have offended by being to polite.

Do you know who the registered Elk Konnected, LLC members are?

Good night people.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: proudparent on May 31, 2011, 08:49:36 PM
What happened to our rock budget?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: srkruzich on June 01, 2011, 12:10:53 AM
srkruzich, can you give me the names of your county comissioners?

yep
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 12:32:19 AM
LOL
No go to your room, you're grounded. ROFLMBO

Do you know who Elk Konnected, LLC is you naughty little boy.
LOL

What was that other name for a lollipop.... oh yeah... sucker.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 01, 2011, 08:57:52 AM
Dan, that sounds exactly like what is happening here.  A repeated question to which the answer won't be acknowledged or accepted.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 09:37:17 AM
Dan, that sounds exactly like what is happening here.  A repeated question to which the answer won't be acknowledged or accepted.

Indulge me... who owns Elk Konnected, LLC.  I don't believe that's been answered yet... a month later.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 01, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Yes, it has.  It is owned by the people that belong to and support it.  Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 11:31:53 AM
Yes, it has.  It is owned by the people that belong to and support it.  Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.

It is owned, by law, by those who are admitted members/managers of the limited liability company and who share in the profits/losses (if any).  Just supporting Boeing does not make me an owner.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 12:50:21 PM
There have been suggestions here, and on other threads, that if a crime exists then proper authorities should be notified.  I couldn't agree more.  However, this thread is about ethics and a public debate regarding government actions, use of taxpayer funds, government interaction with private entities and the actions of private entities to influence government action using unconventional methods that purport to represent overall public opinion.  It is not about criminal wrong doing... are you suggesting such a thing?

I, for one, have come to the conclusion that the 'outcomes' of community 'conversations' probably do not represent a majority of public opinion, do little to offer solutions in the arenas of community development & growth, and may be highly manipulative in their methods.  The response I have received privately seem to support those views.  I'm sure you and yours differ.  But that doesn't change the questions.

Who really owns Elk Konnected LLC, and what are their detailed long term plans to ensure jobs and growth in Elk County?  What is the next 'consensus' of public opinion will they present to government officials?  How will the next batch of taxpayer monies they receive be used?



Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 12:58:12 PM
Even I, in my diminished capacities can figure that one out.
I don't care how old/young you are, you can not convince me of that. No way.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on June 01, 2011, 01:05:40 PM

Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 01:10:37 PM
Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?

Ross would be better suited to answer, but my understanding is:  Verbatim. Only a blind person could look at the two side by side and not see the picture.

Why does Elk Konnected LLC need to pay $3000 a year or so for the services of a professional out of county 'facilitator' from Public Square Communities, LLC to 'lead' conversations in our communities?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 02:03:11 PM
I wanted to revisit this document provided by Elk Konnected, LLC the night of the so called Wind Farm Community Conversation.
Community Conversation Committee Report

Purpose of committee: Analyze input comments from Elk County residents as to how wind energy dollars should be invested. This is a very poor analysis in my opinion. Looks like poor thought processes were used. And that the control mechanism was more interested in control than producing anything worth while. They didn’t seem to know the difference between city and county and state functions and private business.
This process was launched with a community meeting where community members presented
ideas for the expenditure of the income from the newly formed wind farm. At the community
conversation meeting, residents present at the meeting were asked to give their input in the
categories of "Ideas", "Big Ideas", and IITop Ideas". All residents present were divided into
small "round table"  (they mean circle of chairs, no tables) discussion groups in order to discuss and bring forward the ideas.

After the community conversation, a representative from each "round table" (they mean circle of chairs, no tables) group was
assigned to be on a special committee. From there, the committee was assembled to take the
ideas and organize them. The committee meeting resulted in the following analysis of data.

The committee felt as if most all comment could be grouped into 1 of 6 primary categories. How did the every day citizens know to come up with categories unless someone from Elk Konnected, LLC trained in this situation was there to tell them what to do? It’s just not something every day citizens think of.Then after analyzing, the committee prioritized the 6 groups by group discussion and vote. The
6 categories, and order of priority, are:
 
These are normal community operating tools to operate under, don’t you think?
So nothing new here right.
1. Financial

2. Infrastructure/Utilities

3. Economic Development

4. Services

5. Education

6. Miscellaneous

After assigning every single comment from the community meeting into a certain category, the
data in each category was grouped into sub-topics (see appendix to review grouping). It should
be noted that several comments were "cross-over" comments, meaning that the committee
felt like the comment actually fell into more than one category, and therefore they analyzed it
in both categories when forming sub-topics. This committee seemed to be very well versed in Obama skills for every day citizens. I believe community organizers and facilitators get college educations to think like this. Not everyday citizens think this way.
I think perhaps this committee might have been Elk Konnected, LLC’s own registered members.
Some of the sub-topics that garnered the most comments were as follows:

Financial category: 50% of the comments related to lowering taxes and 25% of the comments
related to paying off debt.

Infrastructure/Utilities: Slightly less than 50% of the comments related to road improvements
ranging from city streets to county roads and 20% of the comments related to community
improvements ranging from restoration/clean-up, to improving parks, to building community
centers.
Since when is city streets and city improvements and city centers County Government business. If Howard wants all that take it up with their city council.
Economic Development: Over 50% of comments related to the generic (as in no specific
details) topic of job creation and 20% related to assisted living &/or day care.
Howard already has a nursing home and there are day cares out there. But these are private business concerns --- not County Government business. I suppose if Howard’s city council wants it citizens to cough up more tax dollars to support private business. I say more power to them.
Services: Many different ideas fell into this category with a large majority of the comments
being "cross-over" ideas that also fell into Financial, Infrastructure/Utilities, or Economic
Development.

Education: The generic (as in no specific details) topic of schools/libraries garnered 50% of the
comments in this category Education is not a County Government responsibility.
That is the school district and elected school board members following state laws and state school board regulations.  
Committee's Conclusion of the data:

Focus should be on the first three categories of Financial, Infastructure/Utilities, and Economic
Development

In the Financial category: Lowering taxes will help with the creation of jobs and the act of
lowering taxes will benefit all residents that pay taxes. It will also create a more business
friendly environment. Paying off debt will also decrease the tax burden. It was also agreed that
banking a certain percentage of the income is needed. No new idea here.

In the Infrastructure/Utilities category: County roads are a must for improvements, as well as
city streets. Water and trash services are a key to fostering business growth. The committee
also felt that this is the best category to set long, medium and short term goals and that
prioritizing will be necessary in this category.
Water and trash service and city streets are city government not County Government responsibilities. I suggest Elk Konnected, LLC attend their City Council meeting.
Economic Development: The committee realizes it is not the responsibility of local government  
to create jobs, but rather, create a business friendly environment. Assisting and promoting
growth in existing businesses should be a key consideration. Because the comments relating to
assisted living and/or daycare came up so often (which these were also cross-over topics
mentioned in other categories), the committee feels that it is relevant to point out that this
could be a way to help with job creation. The committee felt that it was a valid consideration
that deserves its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this idea. What? Is the county suppose to give money, to Howard to rebuild the whole town? I don’t think so.
Services: Youth activities, assisted living, and daycare led the way with the greatest number of        
comments. The committee expressed concern of government versus private industry in
creating these services. There was some discussion about how the government needs to help
grow these services, but without having the control and responsibility. Not County business so no problem. Elk Konnected if it’s such a good idea and money maker go do it.
Though not garnering a
lot of comments, the committee felt it was relevant to reiterate the importance of the
emergency services of ambulance and fire that serve all citizens of our county. Already taken care of.
Education: The committee felt that ultimately, this is the school board's responsibility, but if
taxes are lowered, it may draw in more people that could afford to live within the county,
thereby having an impact on the school. The committee felt that the comments relating to
scholarships to help attract Elk County raised students back to Elk County did deserve some
consideration, and again, would need its own separate action team, if decided to pursue this
idea. It’s been tried across the country and doesn’t work. And in today’s economy people with degrees are working at McDonalds. Housing prices are dropping again. Our country  is still in a financial crises. College kids can not repay their college loans. Colleges are in financial trouble.
Miscellaneous: The committee decided that there were comments that did not fit into the
above mentioned categories and therefore these comments were listed as miscellaneous.

Side note: Without overlapping with federally subsidized programs, the committee was
surprised that more comments about the support of the agriculture industry in Elk County were
not mentioned. What's to understand, the farmers/ ranchers don't want Elk Konnected. LLC in their personal business.The committee felt like this topic does warrant more attention since this is the
primary industry in Elk County. What does the average citizen know about federally subsidized programs or grants for that matter? These were not average everyday citizens writing this stuff. In fact, I think this was probably written up and printed and collated and stapled before the meeting. There was no real thought put into this. Unless it was Elk Konnected’s ideas for fixing up Howard.
Appendix is attached with data breakdown of how the committee sorted all comments that
were generated from the community conversation.

Financial

Lower Taxes - 20 (Idea's)
Lower Taxes - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
Payoff Debt - 8 (Idea's)

Pay off Debt- 7 (Top 3 idea's)

Save the 1 st million for the future as a cushion - l(Idea's)
Bank 1st million - 2 (Big Idea's)

1 st million in bank - 3 (Top 3 idea's)
Matching Funds -1 (Idea's)

A fund for matching grant funds - 1 (Big Idea's)

Spend money all over the county not in just to towns - 1 (Idea's) Vague
Spend it as an investment not as expenditure (Big Idea's) Vague
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's) Vague
County employee compensation - 2 (Idea's)
How about a pay raise for the Elk Konnected, LLC County Commissioner.
Infrastructure/UtiIitles
Improve Roads - 17 (Idea's)
Help cities improve streets - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. Howard city council’s responsibility.
Funds for roads and bridges - 1 (Big Idea's) County roads and bridges, gut hey that's what the county does right?
Road Improvements - 10 (Top 3 idea's)
County roads and bridges, gut hey that's what the county does right?Infrastructure improvement - 3 (Idea's) So vague it doesn’t make sense.
Water supply (Idea's) Not County business.  
Water - 2 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business.

Rural water all over county - 2 (Big Idea's)
Clean up properties and restore buildings - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. Cuty business.
Community Building -1 (Idea's) Not County business.

Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.
Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's)  Not County business. City business.

Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's)  Not County business. City business.

Centralized community facility w/ transportation=Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen,
(cont.) fitness center, indoor pool, physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's)  Not County business. City business.
Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's) Vague
Divide equally to all communities - 3 (Top 3 idea's) Vague

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - I (Big Idea's)
Courthouse Improvements - 2 (Idea's)

Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council. The idea to build a community shelter outside of Howard as an attachment to the school bond failed didn't it. If Howard wants a community shelter they should build one inside the city limits  and Elk Konnected, LLC like's to say centralized for all citizens.
Broadband initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Build new jail- l(ldea's) Why? Just to spend money. Or do you expect a large influx of prisoners? We won't be housing anyone for Sedan soon. Because they are building a new jail.
Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council.
Maintain and promote rail service - l(Idea's) Huh? Get a little money and run a railroad??
New ambulance - l(Idea's)

Sewer systems in small towns - 1 (Idea's) Not county business. Howard see your city council.
Economic Development  
Jobs -11 (Idea's) Not county business.  Create Jobs - 10 (Top 3 idea's) Not county business.  

Create Jobs/ Bring in business - 6 (Big Idea's) Not county business.  
Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's) Private business.  Not county business.  
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's) Private business. Not county business.

Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's) Private business. Not county business.  
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's) Private business. Not county business.  
Tourism - 2 (Idea's) State working on that.

Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) City business. Not county business.  
Golf Course - 1 (Idea's) Private business. Not county business.

New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's) Private business or city business, Not county business.  
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's) Private business. Not county business.  

Preserving Moline school- 1 (Idea's) Not County business. School Board and School district.
Land Purchase for possible population expansion (Idea's) Private businesing .
Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's) If owned by the county.
Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's) City business, state business, Not county business.  
Rebuild public squares in each community - 1 (Big Idea's) City business. Not county business.  

Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's) Already have one, not expecting any 747's.

Centralized community facility w/ transportation-Ig and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's) Not County business.  


Improved/more housing (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Certify/Train a group of local residents to work on wind mills - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. Private business.


Services
Youth Facility - 9 (Idea's) Not County business. Private business, or city business.
More $ invested for youth in each town - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.  
Invest in Youth Activities - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

Assisted Living - 3 (Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Assisted Living - 2 (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Assisted Living and Daycare - 4 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. Private business.
Community Wide day care facility - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.

Community Building -1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.

Centralized community facility w/ transportation--lg and sm meeting rms, commercial kitchen, fitness center, indoor pool,
(cont.) physical therapy (Moline Rodeo Grounds) (Big Idea's) Not County business. Private business.

Funds for each community for improvements - 1 (Big Idea's) If the County Commissioners decide to give equal sums to each community for their own use.

Improving parks - community centers - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.

Improvements in each community. Clean-up, repair roads and buildings etc. (Idea's) Not County business.
Countywide clean-up - 3 (Big Idea's)  They already do it their own way.

Clean-up and revitalize lakes and recreation sites - 1 (Big Idea's) If they are county owned.

Safe Shelters - 2(Idea's) Not County business. City business.

Broad brand initiative countywide - 2 (Big Idea's)
Libraries - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.

Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's) Not County business.
Transportation for elderly and children - l(Idea's) Already available

Transfer Station - 1 (Idea's) Not County business. City business.

Historical preservation, Swinging Bridge and Elevator Museum - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. State or City business.

Rec center w/\ indoor pool- 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.  
New swimming pool and golf course - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.
Professional golf course tournament - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business.  

New ambulance - 1 (Idea's) In the process of buying one now, I believe. normal county business.

Food Services to elderly - l(Idea's) Doesn't this already go on?
Grocery store in Moline - 1 (Idea's) Not County business.  
More Tourist Attractions (Idea's) Not County business.
Airport - Heliport - 1 (Big Idea's) Already have.

Centrally located county fairgrounds with 1 fair - 1 (Big Idea's) How about in Longton, or the rodeo grounds near Moline.


Education Not County business. School Board and School district.

Schools - 5 (Idea's) Not County business. School Board and School district.
Libraries - 2 (Idea's) Not County business. City Business.

Scholarships - 2 (Idea's) Not County business.  

Sponsor scholarships for trade within county - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business.  
Scholarships with the obligation to return after school- 2(Top 3 idea's) Not County business.  
Enrich the education - 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. School district and school board.

More $ invested for youth in each town -1 (Big Idea's) Not county business, city business.

Be able to keep and reopen schools in small towns as population grows _ 1 (Big Idea's) Not County business. School district and school board.


Miscellaneous

Drug Test before can get food stamps or welfare - 1 (Idea's) Does the county have control over food stamps and welfare??? NO ! State Business  
Spend within our budget - l(Idea's) This has been a good idea since the development of the dollar and government.

Get engineer - 1 (Idea's) Why? Just to spend money.

Unified Gov't (w/in the county) to save money and become more unified (do away with city gov't, councils­
(cont.) all centrally located-one managing body) (Big Ideas's) Not County business. Reeks of communism to this US Veteran.

Invest in Stock Shares - 1 (Top 3 idea's)

Raise taxes on brushy residential land - 1 (Top 3 idea's) Not County business. City business.

So anyway in my opinion nothing was accomplished by Elk Konnected, LLC’ s so called Community Conversation. Just a poor presentation in my opinion. It appears the meeting was more for practice in people control.
All my personal opinion as I have often stated in this forum. So slap me silly. Go.

Who are the officialy registered Elk Konnected, LLC members??????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 06:35:12 PM
Based upon your experience at the Elk Connected meeting and what you've since read about the Delphi Tecnique, was the Delphie Technique used to conduct the meeting?

Okay. This is what I saw and heard. I walked in the door and was suppose to sign in and accept a name tag with a little colored star on it. You know the little stars used in grade school. This star is significant. I did not do that. I just walked in.

Once inside the door I saw a bunch of chairs all set up in little circles of maybe 8 or 10 chairs. Well I  chose to sit on the edge of the stage which was at the back of the room, the way they had things set up. Quite a bunch of people chose to do the same thing. When all the chairs that were set up were filled a bunch of people started setting up more circles. And that is when the facilitator from Wichita County started approaching  people individually along the stage. He was telling them they had to sit in the circles or they would not be permitted to participate. Some people did move into the circles but most stayed on the edge of the stage, as I did. When the man was telling me the same thing he appeared worried about all the papers I had in my hand, he kept looking at the papers and then at me.

Any way he moved back up to the front and addressed the crowd. He told them to look at each others name tag and if anyone had the same colored star in the circle please get up and move. People shuffled around. Then he said if you are sitting with your spouse or friend please get up and move. We don’t want you sitting together with your spouse or friend because we feel we get better ideas that way, and you get to meet new people. A few more people shifted around.

When it appeared to be settling down. I politely walked to the front and asked to speak the facilitator. He told me outside and that’s when I turned to the people and I said I thought this was a community conversation and I want speak with you in front of the community. The man then politely lifted his microphone to his mouth and said very nicely, “Where is the sheriff.” Welll I saw nothing else to do but to politely walk out. I was met half way out by deputies who then followed me out of the building. They saw nor heard any of what took place.

I have been told on this forum since I attended Elk Konnected, LLC’s Community Conversation that I am now a member. I hardly think so, no I know I‘m not. But that is what they are doing, counting people that attend a Community Conversation as members even though the people may disagree with them.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 06:41:08 PM
now Ross:  either you adjust your meds and tell it like it really happened, or you will get bomblasted on here!  ;D
    Duck!  Everyone is ready, right?????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 06:55:17 PM
now Ross:  either you adjust your meds and tell it like it really happened, or you will get bomblasted on here!  ;D
    Duck!  Everyone is ready, right?????
Okay, boss. ya got anything good. I get loopy on aspirin. Actually, all kidding aside, asprin is the strongest pain medication I take.
I get high on real rich chocolate. Will that work? oh and I'm high on life, too.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 06:59:30 PM
readyaimduck it was like a 20 ring circus. how could anyone know what was going on? Think about it.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 07:04:28 PM
lol I am beginning  to think the 'members of this forum' do not want to join in on an adult discussion.  Hot topics makes one hot..and sometimes uneasy.  Then we lash out with the "well, but, but, but"  And then some of us are not directly, told to 'butt out'.  
I am okay with that.

I guess I will stick to Larry's thread and read till I need to go to bed.  and Teresas videos are GREATTTT!!!

You can start all the different and social threads you wish.  I have noticed that one who starts one, then all who agree join.  Just saying.  Hmmmm......Elk County.  Yes indeedy!
I actually enjoyed and learned a bit from the road rock thread.  

Too  bad.
not ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 01, 2011, 07:06:38 PM
Ross, I in a professional mode have been to those meetings.   I would have probably been thrown out too!, However I was young and had other stuff to do and needed to keep my income.

Now, I really don't "need to belong to a clique"  I know what I am about!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 01, 2011, 07:44:52 PM
I agree with you duck. I just joined the big group of over "65" and that's enough for me.
I think "belonging to a clique you have a need to control or be controlled".
I happen to like most people I meet.
I'm growing old and maybe someday I'll grow up, I don't know.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 01, 2011, 11:07:50 PM
lol I am beginning  to think the 'members of this forum' do not want to join in on an adult discussion.  Hot topics makes one hot..and sometimes uneasy.  Then we lash out with the "well, but, but, but"  And then some of us are not directly, told to 'butt out'.  
I am okay with that.

It would sure seem that direct questions are met with ferocious verbosity and few, if any, direct answers.  Heck, "I don't know" would be more honest in some cases.

As for being told to 'butt out' or 'sit down and shut up'... I'm ok with it only to the extent that it's par for the course.   Old guard?..... I see now.  Of course, there are all those unnamed residents, voters and taxpayers (and their friends, family & neighbors) who have been following this thread and are also curious about facts as opposed to conjecture, opinion, misdirection, and convolution.

Facts like:  What, if any, role did any elected official play in negotiations for the end placement of the Caney River Wind Project?  If any did, were there any personal or close family benefits that resulted from such placement?  Oh.. and who are the admitted/managing members of Elk Konnected, LLC?  What besides garage sales and youth ballgames do Elk Konnected, LLC owners envision for Elk County's future? 

I guess these citizens will have to continue to be curious. For now.


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 06:51:15 AM
Maybe Elk Konnected, LLC is ashamed of themselves.
Perhaps that's why they won't come out in the open.
Comments please.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 08:23:00 AM
What is the
Elk Konnected community?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php

Community Standards - Establish and enforce property maintenance standards throughout the Elk Konnected community?
By what authority does Elk Konnected, propose enforcing any ordinances or laws?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php

Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
Who are the patrons?
And is that why Elk Konnected thought they could utilize taxpayers and County Government web site and the crisis reporting call system without proper authorization?

Mr. Woodbury said on his web site Strategy
Name and build on community assets
What commmunity iis he talking about?
Does that mean to keep after the towns city councils, taxpayers money as assets?
Does that mean to keep after the County taxpayers money as assets?
http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php

What is the infrastructure of Elk Konnected, LLC? This is a very important question.

What is Elk konnected, LLC's affiliation with the local newspaper --- PRAIRIE STAR?

Our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.

Would Elk Konnected, LLC please tell us how they plan to bring growth to a predominatly agricultural county without interfering with County and City governments against the wishes of taxpayers? We realize you have a very small portion of county people involved wit Elk Konnected, LLC but that is not a majority.

This represents a few of my questions and my opinions. Answers would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 12:24:20 PM
Ross, I in a professional mode have been to those meetings.   I would have probably been thrown out too!, However I was young and had other stuff to do and needed to keep my income.

Now, I really don't "need to belong to a clique"  I know what I am about!

You said, "needed to keep my income."
When I lived in a small town of 2000 people in Texas I saw that tactic used to keep people in line. IE, you say anything, your uncle, your daddy, you momma may lose their job. They did talk to my superintendent on the pipeline about dismissing me. They wasted their time. It didn't work against me.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 12:47:11 PM
 


What is the Elk Konnected community?

Public Square Communities is a business in which Mr. Woodberry works as a consultant to help communities get organized to accomplish goals and projects that the citizens of those communities choose.  EK was started through a series of open pubilc meetings in which all the goals listed here http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/community/elk/goals.php were chosen by citizens from all the communities in Elk County and Severy. Action teams were organized for each goal/concern established and number of citizens went to work trying to things to do to meet these goals/concerns for the community.  Mr. Woodberry is running a for hire business so he is paid. The initial payment was from $50 dollar donations from citizens through out the county and severy.  I don't understand the confusion in this. It's pretty simple.

By what authority does Elk Konnected, propose enforcing any ordinances or laws?

They have no authority. You know that, they know that and no one is pretending they do.  What they are trying to do is encourage people to take pride in the up keep and maintenance of their property. Well maintained properties are appealing to  people inside and outside of our community.  Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting.

Communication - Develop a community-wide clearinghouse for publicizing activities and events to patrons
Who are the patrons?
And is that why Elk Konnected thought they could utilize taxpayers and County Government web site and the crisis reporting call system without proper authorization?


Patrons would be anyone that would be interested in attending actives and events that are held in our communities through out the year.  Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting.  As far as using taxpayer and county government web site and crisis reporting call system with out proper authorization.  It not like someone from EK hacked into the county web site and posted community events on there.  The county commissioner are aware it is on there and if they had a problem then it would have been taken care of.  Now if it wasn't voted on @ a commissioners meeting then maybe it should have been.  Do you think they would have not allowed it.  Why wouldn't you want your county web site promoting events with-in your county.  

Mr. Woodbury said on his web site Strategy
Name and build on community assets
What commmunity iis he talking about?
Does that mean to keep after the towns city councils, taxpayers money as assets?
Does that mean to keep after the County taxpayers money as assets?


I'm sure that Mr. Woodbury would put a goal of his company is to get @ all the money of the cities and counties in which he works.  Community assets that he is referring to are things in our communities that we already have that could be utilized better or differently.  This could be activitys, events, parks , buildings, anything that our communities perceive as a asset to our community.  

What is the infrastructure of Elk Konnected, LLC? This is a very important question.[/b

It would seem to me that the LLC was created for liability protection for the Exercise room that EK is operating in Howard.  Being that Ek is a volunteer organization it would be a shame if a injury occurred and individuals were sued or liable.   A LLC allows EK to purchase a insurance policy and give everyone involved piece of mind that they would not be held liable in the event of a lawsuit.  They are not hiding anything our laundering personal finances through this LLC.  IT limits their liability. I'm not sure if the ECCEDF is handling the funds for the exercise room or not.  The ECCEDF is a 501c(3) non profit organization, which allows donations to it to be tax deductible for the giver and also mean that thier are financial documents that are created and maintained by them which allows them to keep their tax-exempt status.  If your afraid of miss handling of the funds then look in to it, don't just get on here and complain and claim corruption with out evidence.  

What is Elk konnected, LLC's affiliation with the local newspaper --- PRAIRIE STAR?
  

Nothing.  I'm sure that Ek has designated the Prairie Star as their primary mode of getting information and results of projects to the public.  They promote their activities before and after they happen to our local newspaper.  

Our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.
  
I don't see the problem with this unless their was direct business between the county and Public Square.  If that is the case the she would abstain from any vote the the other commissioners would make the decision.  If you are worried about this then take it up with your commissioner.  

Would Elk Konnected, LLC please tell us how they plan to bring growth to a predominatly agricultural county without interfering with County and City governments against the wishes of taxpayers? We realize you have a very small portion of county people involved wit Elk Konnected, LLC but that is not a majority.

How is EK interfering with the wishes of the taxpayers.  By organizing clean up days and supporting activities for the youth of the county.  Growth depends on your definition.  If your taking about population and jobs then EK is not going to help.  But if your talking about growth in pride of community, health and wellness, experiences and opportunity for youth the EK is growingjust fine despite unwarranted criticism from  a even smaller portion of the communities.  

 What do you want to hear?  That Elk Konnected is a big conspiracy to brainwash citizens and steal tax money from our local government.   Well sorry it is not.  It's a group of people trying to make our communities a better place to live.  Not only to entice new people to our community but for the people already here.  

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 01:00:59 PM
Excellent post, Patriotdad!  That should put this subject to rest!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on June 02, 2011, 01:08:48 PM
Thanks.That verified some things I thought I knew.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: evanstrail on June 02, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
Where's the big 'clapping hands' smiley? 

Thank you patriotdad!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 01:55:13 PM
Nicely done - thank you!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
What is the Elk Konnected community?

Are you speaking to us as an official member of Elk Konnected, LLC.
I'm a bit confused are you saying that Elk Konnected, LLC is seperaye from Elk Konnected orsaying it another way two seperate entities?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
There is no such thing as a official member of EK.  It is a community group. there are no requirements or fees to join. It a group of people that gave themselves a name.  The Elk Konnected name it's self was decided on in a group discussion where citizens chose it over other ideas that the same citizens came up with.   

The LLC was established for liability purposes only. It would be considered a "entity" by legal definitions, yes. Is it a off shoot rouge, corrupt corporation, no.  Is there a name or names on the paperwork to establish the LLC, yes I'm sure there are.  Does that mean that they are anything more than a member of a EK group, no.  They are just taking the responsibility on them to see to it that the wellness center is organized where nobody involved could be held liable in the event of a accident/lawsuit. 

Quit trying to make a controversy where there isn't one.       
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 03:08:38 PM

What is the Elk Konnected community?

Just another smoke screen with non answers, right? You are not even an official of Elk Konnected, LLC are you?
I have read better B.S. in childrens books. You have attempted to answer for someone else and have done a poor job. You don't even understand the difference between an affliation and a simple newspaper story. The answer --- One definition --- To adopt or accept as a member.

There is an old saying you can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time. And I believe it fits right here.

You indicate there are fewer of the community dissatisfied with Elk Konnected than satissfied with absolutly no way of knowing that. That is just more smoke, keep trying.

You speak of Elk Konnected community, which really is a non entity while I speak of Elk County citizens. No I do not speak for them, I said I speak of them, I hope that is clear.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 03:11:12 PM
What Patriotdad said is true and honest.  Give it up.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 03:13:43 PM
There is no such thing as a official member of EK.  Quit trying to make a controversy where there isn't one.       

So you are saying Elk konnected is nothing, right.

And therefore you can not answer for Elk Konnected, correct?

Which means nothing you say holds water?

Therefore you are the one creating further controversy.

What a smoke screen.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 03:16:57 PM
What Patriotdad said is true and honest.  Give it up.
So sayeth you.
Give it up, give what up?
And to a smoke screen?
I don't think so. Nice try.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 03:18:09 PM
Yes, so I said. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: evanstrail on June 02, 2011, 03:28:32 PM
Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language, Second College Edition 1986:

"witch hunt - an investigation usually conducted with much publicity, supposedly to uncover subversive political activity, disloyalty, etc., but really to harass and weaken political opposition."
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 02, 2011, 03:30:10 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK.  There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.    


EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing.  It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have.  Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.  

No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time.  It is what it is and nothing more.  

  

 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: redcliffsw on June 02, 2011, 03:39:49 PM


It looks like you are describing an "Elk Konnected, LLC" and an "Elk Konnected".

How can anyone be sure of anything? 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 04:01:20 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK.  There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.    


EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing.  It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have.  Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.  

No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time.  It is what it is and nothing more.  

So you keep saying there is no Elk Konnected, therefore if anyone comes before any government entity wihin Elk County they should be turned down for any request for funds, right? That also means no more so called community conversations totally controlled by a facilitator. An unorganized, organization that's quite a feat.  What would the Kansas Department of Commerce who gave them a 3000.00 dollar school grant say about that? Pay it back. right?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 04:08:32 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK.  There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.    


EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing.  It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have.  Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.  

No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time.  It is what it is and nothing more.  

May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected recieved a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: mayflower on June 02, 2011, 04:31:48 PM
Ross, you have been given true and honest answers; but they aren't the answers you want because in fact they ARE true and honest.  You would prefer to keep the "witch hunt" going just because you enjoy it. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 02, 2011, 04:32:37 PM
Patriotdad has answered all of  your question, Ross?  Why are you still babbling?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 04:38:28 PM
Thank you, PatriotDad, Wilma and Mayflower, et al.

I agree with you!

 :D   :D   :D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
Patriotdad has answered all of  your question, Ross?  Why are you still babbling?

That's exactly what Patriotdad has done babbled, no real answers.
Have you read this weeks newspaper? Did you read about the real organizations in the county.
They are proud to list their board members. If Elk Konnected does not have a board or some form of organization they are not an organization, period and simple.

I'm waiting for a response from Patriotdad about quoting him.

Thank you for all the abuse and have a good evening.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 02, 2011, 06:53:06 PM
Quote
Our County Commissioner Liz Hendricks is listed as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC which is hired by Elk Konnected, LLC. http://www.publicsquarecommunities.com/index.php What is our County Commissioners function as a staff member of Public Square Communities, LLC ? As our county commisioner and our employee this is a fair question to clear up any questions of possible conflict of interest.

and that has been my contention all along as an outsider questioning if Elk County Government was like the 'good ol' boys poker parties. 
ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 02, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
Again this was a goal/concern conveyed though citizens in a public meeting.  

Do you subscribe to the notion obtaining public 'opinion' used to influence government policy through consensus groupthink using the Delphi technique is a better method than holding open meetings & public debates that conform to Roberts Rules of Order?

As far as using taxpayer and county government web site and crisis reporting call system with out proper authorization.  It not like someone from EK hacked into the county web site and posted community events on there.  The county commissioner are aware it is on there and if they had a problem then it would have been taken care of.

No, it was arrogant presumption of authority, plain and simple.  At least one commissioner was likely aware, (Mrs Hendricks is deeply involved with Elk Konnected LLC, I believe), and the web page in question wasn't removed until the fact that a private concern was using the space was brought up at a commission meeting.   Only after the potential conflict was pointed out by a wise citizen was the information quickly removed - without further discussion, I believe.  Apparently a lone citizen had a better understanding of the issue than did the commissioner or Elk Konnected or the government employee who set it up.  Or was there a hope nobody would complain?.  Sounds a lot like a kid that got caught red handed sneaking into the beer chest.

Now if it wasn't voted on @ a commissioners meeting then maybe it should have been.  Do you think they would have not allowed it.

Probably should have been voted on, after discussion, public hearing and debate... and an 'approval' would have placed an official stamp on a wrong headed situation.  Though the whole mess might have been avoided in the first place had someone not thought they could do whatever they wished and good procedure were followed.

Why wouldn't you want your county web site promoting events with-in your county. 

Public Events?  I generally would.  Promotions of a privately owned entity.  Not so much.  First, I don't think that is a valid function of government.  And if they were going to do that, would they be willing to so list every business & company in the county, including commercial agricultural concerns?  Equal treatment and opportunity stuff.

I'm sure that Mr. Woodbury would put a goal of his company is to get @ all the money of the cities and counties in which he works.

I suspect the above quoted portion of your response is far more accurate than the balance of your explanation.  And at $1500 to $4500 per community 'helped' per year, plus other perks, he's doing just dandy.

It would seem to me that the LLC was created for liability protection for the Exercise room that EK is operating in Howard.

Seem to you?  Are stating this as a matter of provable fact, or is this a supposition?

Being that Ek is a volunteer organization it would be a shame if a injury occurred and individuals were sued or liable.

'Volunteer organization'... again supposition?  Yes, it would be a shame.  A even greater shame would be to find out that the LLC were only able to shield its' legal owners while the injured party (like a kid picking up trash on the highway when hit by an uninsured drunk driver) were on there own.

A LLC allows EK to purchase a insurance policy and give everyone involved piece of mind that they would not be held liable in the event of a lawsuit.  

According to Kansas law, the LLC exists to protect its' admitted members from personal responsibility for debts of the LLC.  Admitted members are identified in very specific ways (natural persons, other partnerships, LLCs, corporations) and share in the LLCs profits/losses for tax purposes in much the same manner as a partnership.  It also provides for 'pass through' taxation much like a Sub Chapter S corporation. 

Are you stating, as fact, that they have obtained a liability policy that covers all parties who are present at or involved in one of their functions... a community conversation, for example?  If you know this to be fact, can you provide the name of the insurer and a policy number.... or is this supposition on your part also?

They are not hiding.

Well, for such a controversil group in re this forum, there are one hell of a lot of 'defenders' coming out of the woodwork.  Yet where are the 'leaders' of this band?

IT limits their liability.

'THEIR', according to Kansas law would be 'the admitted members and admitted managers'.  And only their personal assets are shielded.  Organizational liability projection would likely have be covered by an insurance policy (or self insurance).  Who are you including as 'THEIR'?
In short, the admitted members/managers have covered their collective personal asses pretty well.

I'm not sure if the ECCEDF is handling the funds for the exercise room or not.  The ECCEDF is a 501c(3) non profit organization, which allows donations to it to be tax deductible for the giver and also mean that thier are financial documents that are created and maintained by them which allows them to keep their tax-exempt status.  If your afraid of miss handling of the funds then look in to it, don't just get on here and complain and claim corruption with out evidence.  

And what is the tax status of Elk Konnected, LLC?  Profit, not for profit?  And how taxed by the IRS?  Corporation, partnership, sole proprietorship?  If, as you asserted earlier, they formed the LLC to enable the purchase of insurance, they would likely need an FEIN and therefore an appropriate taxation election since the IRS doesn't recognize an LLC as a taxable entity.
 
By organizing clean up days and supporting activities for the youth of the county.

And FFA, 4-H, Boy/Girl Scouts, The Rotary & Lions, etc. fit in where?  We need a new 'group'?  Why wasn't work put into energizing the others before running out for donations, grants and taxpayer handouts at the city, county & state levels to support a new group?

Growth depends on your definition.  If your taking about population and jobs then EK is not going to help.

Finally!  So we're not going to hear any more BS about Elk Konnected being the answer to an economically depressed, business growth challenged, job & housing starved county with a dwindling population and where a fair number of children leave in bulk as soon as they can after they graduate?  Good!  Your statement is probably the most honest, transparent and accurate thing that's been said about Elk Konnected, LLC to date.


But if your talking about growth in pride of community, health and wellness, experiences and opportunity for youth the EK is growingjust fine despite unwarranted criticism from  a even smaller portion of the communities.  

And unwarranted depends on your definition, to coin a phrase.  The growth of Elk Konnected is what it's really all about, isn't it?  The growth of Elk County is just a sideline.  Not stay with Elk County as we grow... just stay with Elk Konnected as they grow.  That's a sad commentary on their true intent, IMO.

What do you want to hear?

Just some clear facts and truth held out publicly, warts and all, without all the salesmanship & blind cheer leading for a change.

It's a group of people trying to make our communities a better place to live.  Not only to entice new people to our community...

Their marketing plan for that enticement (which you have admitted was not their purpose or likely result) is painfully lacking. However their marketing plan for self promotion and self aggrandizement is in full swing.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 07:47:28 PM
Websters New World Dictionary of the American Language, Second College Edition 1986:

"witch hunt - an investigation usually conducted with much publicity, supposedly to uncover subversive political activity, disloyalty, etc., but really to harass and weaken political opposition."
If no witches --- no harm done.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 02, 2011, 07:59:04 PM
There is no such thing as a "official member" and no such thing as a "Official" of EK.  There are facilitators and action team leaders and members but there is not official title to anyone.    


EK has no legal authority, taxing authority, nothing.  It just people getting together in a organized manner to work on things that they feel will improve peoples lives in our communities. Your giving them way more power then they have.  Ek is not trying to push things on people and undermine the local government.  

No one is trying to fool anyone any of the time.  It is what it is and nothing more.  

And you last read Kansas Statutes Annotated, Chapter 17, Article 76 when?  Your understanding of the issue is sadly lacking in the legal department.  It seems as if ignorance of the law regarding such matters is rampant among several who comment... even some reporting advanced college degrees.  Shame on those nasty professors!

Who are you trying to fool?  Is that like Clinton's oral sex denial.... depends on what is, is?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 02, 2011, 08:18:52 PM
Nicely done - thank you!

Where's the big 'clapping hands' smiley?  

Thank you patriotdad!

Thanks.That verified some things I thought I knew.

Excellent post, Patriotdad!  That should put this subject to rest!

Ross, you have been given true and honest answers; but they aren't the answers you want because in fact they ARE true and honest.  You would prefer to keep the "witch hunt" going just because you enjoy it.  

Patriotdad has answered all of  your question, Ross?  Why are you still babbling?

Thank you, PatriotDad, Wilma and Mayflower, et al.

I agree with you!


Now that the Girl's Glee Club has had their halftime cheer, we encourage you to remember that halftime means just that.  Now that the new quarterback has been put in, let's see how Konnected his game is.



Are you speaking to us as an official member of Elk Konnected, LLC.
I'm a bit confused are you saying that Elk Konnected, LLC is seperaye from Elk Konnected orsaying it another way two seperate entities?

Oops!  Short kick!  He didn't Konnect too well with that one.  Plucked from the air at the 50 yard line and run back 30 yards.  It's now 1st and 10 at the 20 yard line.  What a weak KicK by the defense.  And we're only seconds into the second half folks.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Mom70x7 on June 02, 2011, 10:35:57 PM

Now that the Girl's Glee Club has had their halftime cheer,



Why the sarcasm?  ???
Most of the comments were very straight-forward.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 02, 2011, 10:45:34 PM
Why the sarcasm?  ???
Most of the comments were very straight-forward.

I guess you just had to see it from this side of the stadium, er room. It looked like the proverbial 'wave' at a football game.  Sometimes it's about perceptions.... on both sides of an issue.   :)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 02, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected recieved a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent.

Patriotdad are you an elk Konnected follower/volunteer?

I'm waiting for a reply Patriotdad. Yes or no??? May I quote you?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: ddurbin on June 03, 2011, 06:50:18 AM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 07:02:44 AM
Daddy, May I have a lollipop?
Sure Dan, just ask someone or something called Elk Konnected for a free one purchased with taxpayers dollars.
But you know Dan all that sugar is unhealthy for a growing boy.
 :o :o :o :D :D :D :D :angel: :angel: :angel:
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: greatguns on June 03, 2011, 07:06:09 AM
Never argue with a fool because a bystander can't tell which one is the fool.  Why would anyone want to converse with you?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 07:10:05 AM
Never argue with a fool because a bystander can't tell which one is the fool.  Why would anyone want to converse with you?
Who are you asking??????
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 03, 2011, 07:32:26 AM
Well, let's see.  We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross.  Who would say she is asking?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
Well, let's see.  We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross.  Who would say she is asking?

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Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 08:38:53 AM
Let Your Questions Go Unanswered.

Don't Get The Facts!

Don't Be Informed.

Be A Part of Something BIG.


Accept A Smoke Screen of Dis-information or "Shut The Hell Up".

Watch Us Grow

That appears to be the general concensus of Elk Konnected, LLC or is it Elk Konnected?
Are they one and the same or is one just the fittness center?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 10:41:43 AM
Contact the Dept. of Commerce.  I'm sure they know who they gave the grant to and were fine with it.  The grant would have had a application process where the recipient would specifically state who and what they are.  The DoC must i felt they met the criteria to receive.   And if EK misrepresented its self on the application then they shouldn't have received it. 

You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.   

Contact the Dept. of Commerce and see what they have to say.  Asked for a formal explanation of the application process and selection criteria.  the specifically  asked about EK's eligibility.  Post the DoC response on here. 

You threaten to call them then call them.  EK has nothing to hide. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 03, 2011, 11:37:29 AM
EK has nothing to hide. 

patriordad,

You wrote with such force and authority in your first post on this thread, presenting yourself as one with knowledge and answers.  I addressed many of the claims you made, yet you have failed to respond.  Neither have you provided specific answers to any of the questions asked in the last month.  Your response amounts to a non-response.

Is your authoritative stance indefensible?  Or are you, also, evading direct answers?  Your post raised more questions than it answered, and yet our original questions remain unanswered.

Please... if you are an admitted member of the LLC, say so.  Given your strong defense of Elk Konnected's operations, you would surely be willing to express any official affiliation you have with the company.  If you can factually identify a managing member of the LLC, do so.  If you hold an official position please provide some official answers. 

Doing otherwise, leaves the dozens of readers here (both registered & guest) with the ongoing and growing impression that perhaps there is something being hidden from public view.  After all, why would a company so deeply involved involved in public affairs and government relationships need to hide the names of its' ownership?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 11:42:48 AM
Contact the Dept. of Commerce.  I'm sure they know who they gave the grant to and were fine with it.  The grant would have had a application process where the recipient would specifically state who and what they are.  The DoC must i felt they met the criteria to receive.   And if EK misrepresented its self on the application then they shouldn't have received it. 

You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.   

Contact the Dept. of Commerce and see what they have to say.  Asked for a formal explanation of the application process and selection criteria.  the specifically  asked about EK's eligibility.  Post the DoC response on here. 

You threaten to call them then call them.  EK has nothing to hide. 

You said, "You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours." You qualified to only speak for how little your words mean. And that leaves me to believe nothing you say. And I sure am sorrry about that.

You said, "You threaten to call them then call them." First I have never made a threat, second I don't ever make threats.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
Well, let's see.  We have a reply from Ross, then a reply from guns, then another reply from Ross.  Who would say she is asking?
I believe that was a question mark at the end of the sentence thus asking.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 03, 2011, 11:57:43 AM
Nit picking again, aren't you, Ross?  You must be pretty bored out there on your minifarm.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 03, 2011, 11:59:54 AM
I wouldn't have taken you for an Alinskyite, Wilma.  Sad, really sad.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 12:10:09 PM
Thanks for commenting on everything but the main subject of the last post.  Are you or aren't you going to call the DoC and tell them what corrupt, agenda driven organization they gave a $3000 grant to.  

I said "Call the Dept. of Commerce"  so are you going to do as you said you would or are you going to just keep talking tough.

If EK did something wrong then prove it.  Call your county commissioner, call the DoC, call the IRS.    If you want answers then go get them.  Quit berating everything everyone on here says.  Numerous people have tried to answer your questions and it's never good enough. you want answers, go get your answers yourself.  

Threat or not threat do as you said you would and call the DoC.  Do it! I don't think you will because you don't want to know the truth.  

The next response from you should be when and who you talked to @ the DOC and when we should expect a formal response.  Anything else then we will assume that your questions/theories about EK's wrong doings with the grant from the DOC answered and resolved.  
 

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 01:37:59 PM
I said "Call the Dept. of Commerce"  so are you going to do as you said you would or are you going to just keep talking tough.
You also commented something to the effect that your words meant nothing.
I do not believe, I have ever done any tough talking> I do believe, I have been very polite in asking questions of Elk Konnected about it registered membership and no registered member will reply. That leads me to think they must be terribly ashamed of being registered members. How can they possibly instill pride about anything if they are not proud ot their own registered members.



Threat or not threat do as you said you would and call the DoC.  Do it! I don't think you will because you don't want to know the truth.  

First, I reiterate I have made no threats ever and I never make threats.
Second, I never said anything about making a call?

Now about the subject of truth. I can't figure that out about you.
You can quote me all you want my words mean as little as yours.     

I believe I said you can speak of your word but not of mine.
Just what does your word mean? Are you words to be taken lightly or truthfully?
These are confusing words, would you clairify them for me? Please.





 


Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 01:50:14 PM
Stop worrying about what i said and how i said it and go get your answers.  Again you made no effort to get your answers.  Just keep twisting and questioning wording and structure of a sentence.  Do something of substance. 

You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."

Yes you may, i give you my consent.  Do it.  Action Ross.  Action. 

let me help you.     

Kansas Department of Commerce
Main Office:
1000 S.W. Jackson St.
Suite 100
Topeka, KS 66612
you may call (785) 296-3481.

Actions speak louder than words. 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 02:24:42 PM
Stop worrying about what i said and how i said it and go get your answers.  Again you made no effort to get your answers.  Just keep twisting and questioning wording and structure of a sentence.  Do something of substance. 

You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail  to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."

Yes you may, i give you my consent.  Do it.  Action Ross.  Action. 

let me help you.     

Kansas Department of Commerce
Main Office:
1000 S.W. Jackson St.
Suite 100
Topeka, KS 66612
you may call (785) 296-3481.

Actions speak louder than words. 
I feel that I have written precisely and correctly what I had to say and ask. I think you failed to comprehend what that was so i highlighted certain words to help you focus. And sir, I don't take orders from anyone. Thank you.

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 02:28:24 PM
Nit picking again, aren't you, Ross?  You must be pretty bored out there on your minifarm.

No by all means no. I don't know anyone with nits.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 02:39:38 PM
So you are not going to contact the DoC.  Then why did you asked for my consent?

Again stop worrying about the verbiage of what was said and take action to get your answers.  

Send your email.  http://www.kansascommerce.com/emailpage.aspx

Contact the DOC and expose EK for the corrupt organization you say it is.  If you don't do this then we all will assume that you really don't want to know the truth.  

Yes we know.  We get it already.  Your your own man, one on tells you what to do, and you don't make threats or take orders. We get it.  Your not very good @ getting answers either.  

  
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 03:08:49 PM
So you are not going to contact the DoC.  Then why did you asked for my consent?

Again stop worrying about the verbiage of what was said and take action to get your answers.  

Send your email.  http://www.kansascommerce.com/emailpage.aspx

Contact the DOC and expose EK for the corrupt organization you say it is.  If you don't do this then we all will assume that you really don't want to know the truth.  

Yes we know.  We get it already.  Your your own man, one on tells you what to do, and you don't make threats or take orders. We get it.  Your not very good @ getting answers either.  

  
I have  no answers about Elk Konnected. Do you know who the registered members are?
I will try to type slowly so you understand.
You said "May I quote you by copying and pasting this response it an e-mail to the Department of Commerce where Elk Konnected received a $3000.00 school grant? I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent." [/color]
Please read slowly.
That was you quoting me, I said, "I'm not saying I will, I'm just asking your consent."
Pardon me for being a smart@ss.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: patriotdad on June 03, 2011, 03:41:07 PM
You weren't being a smart ass, you were insinuating that you would call the DoC if you had my consent.  You have it. now your spinning it differently. 

You've had plenty of answers on EK.  Maybe you should asked better questions. 

I'm going to type slowly for you now.  EK probably has one or a few names on the LLC paperwork, other than that there is no registered member, no officials, no officers.  There are small groups of people that are working on projects through out the communities. 

I have been involved in EK activities, I have volunteered, I was on a action team, I've attend community conversations in howard, longton, moline.  Every meeting was organized in the same manner.  No hidden agenda, nobody forcing or stopping you from conveying your ideas or thoughts as long as you were civil and respected the structure of the meeting.

 



 
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 03, 2011, 03:51:28 PM
For all the bloviating in defense of a company whose ownership chooses to hide behind it's LLC status while taking taxpayer money, there are still no factual answers.  Who are the admitted members/managers of Elk Konnected, LLC?  Why are people here so afraid to say?  Or are they just unknowing and not wanting to be seen as blind followers?
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 04:29:42 PM
bloviating, really? really? ;D ;D ;D Now I am impressed.You must be a writer or an editor.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 04:49:06 PM
You weren't being a smart ass, you were insinuating that you would call the DoC if you had my consent.  You have it. now your spinning it differently. 
I have a problem getting through to you. Comprehension is the apparent problem. I was being a smart ass by saying I was typing slow. I did not say or insinuate anything about using your quote. I left that totally open.

You've had plenty of answers on EK.  Maybe you should asked better questions. 
It's a simple question who are the registered members of Elk Konnected? And requires only a simple answer.
I'm going to type slowly for you now.  EK probably has one or a few names on the LLC paperwork, other than that there is no registered member, no officials, no officers.  There are small groups of people that are working on projects through out the communities. 
You have no idea what you are talking about.

I have been involved in EK activities, I have volunteered, I was on a action team, I've attend community conversations in howard, longton, moline.  Every meeting  was organized in the same manner.  No hidden agenda, nobody forcing or stopping you from conveying your ideas or thoughts as long as you were civil and respected the structure of the meeting.
See you do not comprehend the difference between a meeting and a conversation. And IMHO I don't believe you would know if you were being used or not as a socalled volunteer. I am sorry my man but I will no longer discuss this subject with you. Perhaps another day and another topic. Thank you for your input.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on June 03, 2011, 05:05:09 PM
Quote
See you do not comprehend the difference between a meeting and a conversation. And IMHO I don't believe you would know if you were being used or not as a socalled volunteer. I am sorry my man but I will no longer discuss this subject with you. Perhaps another day and another topic. Thank you for your input.



No Ross....what you really mean is he doesnt agree with YOU :P blah blah blah
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 05:48:04 PM



No Ross....what you really mean is he doesnt agree with YOU :P blah blah blah
What???? You mean you don't comprend the difference between a conversation and a business meeting?????
Companies use business meetings to review company information or establish new operating principles.
Cinversation the informal exchange of ideas by spoken words.
The conversation and the purpose of this thread is to engage Elk Konnected registered members or owners in a meaning full conversation. I am using the word engage because it is a term applied by Elk Konnected, LLC and Public Square Communities, LLC. They wish to engage the community and the Public Square but seem to be fearful with out a completely controlled arena and by their control standards. Control, control, contro. That's what it's all about isn't it.

The followers volunteer to do what Elk Konnected, LLC tells them what to do. Sure you think you followers are in the loop but you are not. How come you have never been invited to an actual business meeting? How come you have no idea how many tens of thousands of dollars Elk Konnected has taken in? Do you know that some volunteers for the soccer days were paid 8 or 9 dollars an hour. No I can't prove it and I can't reveal my source. So just consider it B. S. your choice.

Some where along the lines or between the lines more of you will wake up.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 06:02:03 PM
Hi Diane Amberg

On another thread you were discussing what you would do if you were running a class. I did point out that's different. But too add to that I was in Longton last night for a baseball game at the fairgrounds. And guess what, there was a meeting going on. It was the Board of the Longton Free Fair. I did stroll by the door and peer in, no circles that  I could see. I watched and it apppeared to be an open discussion. I did not enter even though I believe it was open to the public. I wnted to but I had my sons ball game to attend to. It was written up in the newspaper and all the board members names were listed. There were no sheriff deputies stationed at the meeting.

After the meeting broke up I returned to the building where they had their meeting. And guess what I was welcomed in by the few that were lingering around. I only knew one amn but that's why I went back --- for a short conversation with him. One of the board members did say he saw me out there looking in and wondend red why I did not come in. It did not bother them in the least.

The community of Longton has an exceptionally friendly and gracious attitude in MHO.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 03, 2011, 06:23:28 PM
I have 'waddled' through the last 7 pages of this semantic charade and wish to see if I get it right before I email the Dept of Comm.
1.  Elk Konnected LLC - which needs only one person to sign, formed an LLC to assure the exorcise gym was protected from lawsuits....I understand that.  I also understand that the persons signing can change from time to time.
2.  Elk Konnected LLC - requested and paid Public Squares Community, LLC to hold a 'thing-a-maj-ingy' (cuz no one can really agree on what it was) to get a acommunity response as to goals.  ROSS>>>>>don't go off on me just yet about intent of the thing-s-ma-jingy'
3.  After this incident, a group was formed by volunteers in the specific criteria, and the group came up with Elk Konnected, whose main function is to assist in the above goals.

Now, I will inquire into Elk Connected, LLC.   I will inquire into Public Square Community, LLC.
I do think the name of Elk Konnected (without the LLC) is a separate entity and the above terms at this oint should not be intertwined. 

So....I will inquire as to the funding from Elk Connected, LLC for starters.  This may take awhile as I do work and it is the weekend, however I get a sneaky feeling this thread may last a bit....
ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 03, 2011, 06:27:42 PM
I will post back their reply ver batim.
Your choice to make lemonade or lemon vodka.
(no reflection on choice of fruits )
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 08:10:11 PM
Ross, ya make it sound like you think I run unfriendly classes. ;D  A Longton Fair board meeting would be a homogeneous group with a like agenda, open to the public certainly. Circles would not have meet their needs. But you said the meeting was under way when you found it and you were polite enough not to disrupt it, although I have no doubt you would have been welcome to quietly take a seat. Now, if you had marched in before the meeting, demanded to speak to the chairperson and then turned and demanded to speak to those assembled, there might have been a different outcome. ;) (I wrote that for effect.)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
Ross, ya make it sound like you think I run unfriendly classes. ;D  A Longton Fair board meeting would be a homogeneous group with a like agenda, open to the public certainly. Circles would not have meet their needs. But you said the meeting was under way when you found it and you were polite enough not to disrupt it, although I have no doubt you would have been welcome to quietly take a seat. Now, if you had marched in before the meeting, demanded to speak to the chairperson and then turned and demanded to speak to those assembled, there might have been a different outcome. ;) (I wrote that for effect.)

I did not mean to imply you ran an unfriendly class. My apologies for that. I was just trying to lead into last nights event. I fell certaiin if I would have walked in with a question I would have been recieved very graciously.  However at the Community conversation I was invited in, I did not march in. And I did not demand anything at the Community Conversation I simply asked to speak with the man from out of County and he said outside and I asked what was wrong with speaking in front of the community. No answer, just where are the sheriff.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 03, 2011, 08:24:58 PM
 Ross...I said in the first post when I came here, that I questioned your methods...read back to when I first joined.  You were just activating your rights as a citizen...I get that.  Perhaps your interpretation was skewed?
Now, I am not picking your feathers alive, Ross.  I will do what I say. 
I am not picking sides, just wondering and filtering the comments.

Sorry, I was typing as you were posting.  That's like talking over one another.

ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: readyaimduck on June 03, 2011, 08:36:14 PM
Quote
“Finding the right Question is more valuable and rewarding than finding the right Answer.”

Leif Ericsson

Ross:  Perhaps the questions that you ask are valid ones.  And pray tell - what will you do with the answers if they are not what you expected?   Like perhaps an honest answer with a valid end result?  (Sometimes I won't answer a question that is easy to answer, but the process in order to obtain a simple end result may be very complicated within the law and just not worth the effort to explain. And, no. I  am not affiliated with the ElkKon LLC.)
   I can understand your frustration at trying to 'unearth' the questions you put forth, just not so sure just asking the questions might not be perceived as a pre-predjudice of mistrust for an organization. 
   I am in agreement to be informed within the workings of the community.  Remember, "bristling (is that a word?) is a natural reaction to questions of intent in this area.  Not to say that the questioning isn't warranted....yet somehow I believe it can be achieved perhaps in a different manner.  Just my opinion.     ready

There it is and I stand by it, until further notified by the 'proper authorites' as Wilma calls it.
I am listening and waiting...
and   Ready
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: jarhead on June 03, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
I imagine you are right Diane, If Ross had DEMANDED to speak he might of got kicked out of the meeting but I believe you are referring to him being escorted out of the EK meeting and although I wasn't there I understood that he asked POLITELY to speak to people. Big difference, eh ?
 This whole thread simply amazes me. Ross & Patriot keep asking questions and most of the people that come back at them with both barrels blazing , don't even live in Elk county. It does not affect them in any way. Oh I know, "they have roots in Elk county" but moved away to make their fortune---but "By Gosh , weather I live in Butler county, Arkansas, Delaware or Missouri, I know what's best for you poor morons that do not have enough sense to leave that poverty stricken area".
 Now I'm done with my rant and need to get back to digging the punji pit on the path where ol Sarge goes fishing !!
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on June 03, 2011, 09:01:47 PM
Now Jar, I have no barrels, blazing or otherwise and I did say I wrote that for effect. I don't believe he said he was escorted out, but I may be wrong about that. So, if someone asks a question politely the answer has to be yes? I must remember that the next time someone asks politely if I will certify them in CPR without practicing and showing me their skills on a mannequin.  Not hardly. I know, I know, tain't the same thing.
 What has this any of this got to do with a judgement call on "morons" living anywhere? Where did that come from?  Pity party? My father left to marry my mother and went to live in her hometown because he loved her and that's where she wanted to live at that time. Her mother was not in good health. Then being a good patriot he came here to work for the war effort doing research in badly need synthetic rubber. He didn't leave to get away from a bunch of morons.
 Now don't fall on those punji sticks yourself, ya might forget where you put them....morons indeed. Good grief. ::)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 03, 2011, 09:49:17 PM
Ross...I said in the first post when I came here, that I questioned your methods...read back to when I first joined.  You were just activating your rights as a citizen...I get that.  Perhaps your interpretation was skewed?
Now, I am not picking your feathers alive, Ross.  I will do what I say. 
I am not picking sides, just wondering and filtering the comments.

Sorry, I was typing as you were posting.  That's like talking over one another.

ready
Keep it up and even straighten me out. I am not a politician just a country hick -- no diploma's.
You do appear to be trying to maintain an neutral position.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: greatguns on June 03, 2011, 09:53:15 PM
Sorry it took so long to get back to you, but I can't stay on this forum 24/7.  Ross, I believe it is you that has at the end of every post "Why won't they converse with us?"  I just supposed you could figure out to whom I was speaking.  Hope this clarified it for you.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: kshillbillys on June 03, 2011, 10:03:58 PM
Pity party? Laughin my silly redneck ass off!  ::)
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 03, 2011, 11:28:07 PM
bloviating, really? really? ;D ;D ;D Now I am impressed.You must be a writer or an editor.

Not exactly.  But my 5th grade extra credit spelling word was 'antidisestablishmentarianism'.

Think I could make it as an investigative reporter for a fair sized media outlet?

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 03, 2011, 11:37:47 PM
Now I'm done with my rant and need to get back to digging the punji pit on the path where ol Sarge goes fishing !!

As I recall. punji's were dipped in feces to ensure infection in the victims.  I think I know where you can get all the BS you might need....you just have to ask the right questions to get it.   ;D

Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Wilma on June 04, 2011, 08:05:55 AM
Or use the questions themselves.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: thatsMRSc2u on June 04, 2011, 08:47:02 AM
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This whole thread simply amazes me. Ross & Patriot keep asking questions and most of the people that come back at them with both barrels blazing , don't even live in Elk county. It does not affect them in any way. Oh I know, "they have roots in Elk county" but moved away to make their fortune---but "By Gosh , weather I live in Butler county, Arkansas, Delaware or Missouri, I know what's best for you poor morons that do not have enough sense to leave that poverty stricken area".

Jar...I blaze up at Ross only when his attitude toward people pisses me off. Somebody tries to answer HIS questions with THEIR answers instead of the ones HE wants. Just gonna have to stop readin cause I cant help for smartin off at him if I do.....just a bad habit I gotta break  :)

I don't care about EK. I DONT live there, and dont EVER plan on livin there, sometimes we think about movin back to Severy but in all honesty the chances of THAT are slim to none.

I dont like bullies.....I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got. So you see it's ALL a matter of perception and my perception of Ross is he's a BIT  ::) pushy, likes to brand whoever aint WITH him as against him and WITH the opposition, likes to "politely" talk DOWN to people, and thinks he's on some "holy crusade" to "save the sheeple of elk county" from their own stupidity and crooked politicians.

Most of the people I know are FAR from stupid and are NOT sheeple so I will more than likely pop off at him occasionally....but that's just my smart-assedness comin out. I figure people there are smart enough to see bullshit before they step in it whether it comes from EK, politicians OR Ross and co. Now I got my own booby traps to go work on  ;D

LOL I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread  ;D
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 04, 2011, 09:07:59 AM
I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread  ;D

More evidence that the founder's faith divine Providence was well placed. 

Perhaps now someone will come forward and identify one or more admitted members of Elk Konnected, LLC who can then share their specific long term plans to influence public opinion and to grow Elk County.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Diane Amberg on June 04, 2011, 09:10:49 AM
Mr and Mrs.'billy...someday you'll figure out my weird sense of humor. Since I have blood roots there why would I tend to think anyone there is a dumb moron?...or if they are, it's of their own doing! You seem to think I look down on you.That couldn't be further from the truth. I was very lucky to have been able to get the education I needed to be who I wanted to be.
  Some people play dumb for their own reasons and I've never understood that. I'm good friends with a bunch of our downstate farmers who also happen to be volunteer firefighters and EMTs, so I've had them in class and out on the fire grounds and seen them in action. They are anything but dummies. And I do get the "Why shucks mam, I'm just a dumb ol' farm boy." My foot! I know how hard the EMT course is and most do just fine. Now, why it's fashionable for them to talk dumb but live smart is beyond me. (hence the pity party comment, meant in fun.) But we're all friends and we do kid around a lot. I get tormented about living above the "ditch''(The C and D canal that divides the state) where the rich folks live that don't have a lick of sense. But it's all in good fun. Why you won't let me do that on here with some of you is beyond me.  I really like all of you except when you dump on me, honestly. I live in town now but grew up as a country kid. I spent my summers picking fruit from our orchard and freezing and canning from our big garden just like everybody else in the country did them. Heck, some of you are more citified than I am. So what? It means nothing.
     Patriot, with that kind of vocabulary you would do well for any printed media.You surely couldn't do any worse than what I read every day and all the spelling errors that apparently nobody proofs for any longer. When I read newspapers and magazines I'm amazed how much error gets through. Between what the kids text and the print errors by professional bloggers and print media we'll soon be back to the old days when there was no standard spelling at all.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Patriot on June 04, 2011, 09:44:04 AM
When I read newspapers and magazines I'm amazed how much error gets through.

And it's not just spelling.  Failure in punctuation, grammar, construction and reliance on feelings as opposed to thoughts or facts in communication too often lead to misunderstandings and misconceptions.

M. Savage is right.  Language, borders and culture are the foundations that hold a society intact.  Without commonality & continuity in those, cohesive society disintegrates into fragmented chaos.  Hence, simple, factual questions net overblown and non-responsive retorts.

The result is that painfully simple questions like,  "Who are the official admitted members (owners) of Elk Konnected, LLC." go unanswered ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Elk County Hand Out At Commissioners Meeting on 4/25
Post by: Ross on June 04, 2011, 10:01:53 AM
Jar...I blaze up at Ross only when his attitude toward people pisses me off. Somebody tries to answer HIS questions with THEIR answers instead of the ones HE wants. Just gonna have to stop readin cause I cant help for smartin off at him if I do.....just a bad habit I gotta break  :)

I don't care about EK. I DONT live there, and dont EVER plan on livin there, sometimes we think about movin back to Severy but in all honesty the chances of THAT are slim to none.

I dont like bullies.....I've heard a couple things about Ross's attitude at that meeting too and it was a bit different story than the one you got. So you see it's ALL a matter of perception and my perception of Ross is he's a BIT  ::) pushy, likes to brand whoever aint WITH him as against him and WITH the opposition, likes to "politely" talk DOWN to people, and thinks he's on some "holy crusade" to "save the sheeple of elk county" from their own stupidity and crooked politicians.

Most of the people I know are FAR from stupid and are NOT sheeple so I will more than likely pop off at him occasionally....but that's just my smart-assedness comin out. I figure people there are smart enough to see bullshit before they step in it whether it comes from EK, politicians OR Ross and co. Now I got my own booby traps to go work on  ;D

LOL I'm gonna take Patriots advice and "stop being manipulated" to participate in Ross' thread  ;D