thanks kindly for the advice LarryO, I may try that, I started experimenting with a load that I got from Silver Rings. Its 39 to 39.5 grs of varget , with a 350 gr lazercast. Shot a nice sub 2 inch group with my Uberti using it. I ordered tang sights for it , and a new acquired Uberti 73 sporting rifle with 24 in barrel in 45 colt. I have a load that Ive been using for a few years in a Smith 25, and recently in a Uberti El Patron that I hope gives some satisfying results. Much abliged for the alternative, I'll try the load, and see where it takes me.