Author Topic: Remington Mosin-Nagant? (Read 8082 times)

Sam Perfye · « **on:** August 19, 2011, 06:48:38 PM »

Gentlemen I need some help. I received a flyer from an auction house for a gun auction, nothing spectacular except a listing for a Remington Army Model 1918. This peeked my interest and I pulled up the photo. It appears to be a sporterized Model 91 Nagant. The picture cuts off the end of the barrel and the forearm looks to short even for a carbine. The question is, did Remington build Nagants for Russia during The Great War? Still going thru my limited resources, but any info would be greatly apprieciated. Thank you for your time, Al.

Niederlander · « **Reply #1 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:16:20 PM »

Hey, Al!
Remington did indeed build M91's during the Great War. By all accounts, the Russian inspector gave the Remington folks fits, probably because the longer it took to build them, the longer he got to stay in the States.

SGT John Chapman · « **Reply #2 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:42:55 PM »

Didn't Winchester do some '95s in 7.63x54R for them too?....

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Drydock · « **Reply #3 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:48:02 PM »

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinID.htm

JimBob · « **Reply #4 on:** August 19, 2011, 07:55:58 PM »

If the pictures show details look for U.S. markings.The U.S. goverment purchased about 280 thousand of these when the Russian Revolution ended Remingtons contract.They were issued to U.S. troops sent to Russia,training stateside,state units,and finally disposed of through the DCM after WW1.New England Westinghouse also made them on contract for Russia.

Here's a short history http://mosinnagant.net/ussr/us-mosin-nagants.asp

Drydock · « **Reply #5 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:03:09 PM »

Also here: http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinRareUSRemington.htm

JimBob · « **Reply #6 on:** August 19, 2011, 08:04:07 PM »

Quote from: SGT John Chapman on August 19, 2011, 07:42:55 PM

Didn't Winchester do some '95s in 7.63x54R for them too?....

Indeed they did.It accounts for about 70% of total M1895 production but is a very hard rifle to acquire and the ones found are in terrible shape.A lot of them ended up in Finland and later in Spain during the Spanish Civil War sent as aid from Russia.The survival rate is very low for a rifle produced in those numbers.Maybe one day we will see some on the surplus market after they empty the warehouses of Mosin-Nagants in Russia.LOL Hope springs eternal.

Dalton Masterson · « **Reply #7 on:** August 20, 2011, 07:37:11 PM »

Yes, Remington built some, as did New England Westinghouse. I have a nice NEW spotted here in town if I can ever talk the guy out of it.
I saw a Rem M91 at a local auction a few years back. It was worn but nice. It brought around 500 if I remember correctly.

DM

Sam Perfye · « **Reply #8 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:19:43 AM »

Thanks for all the help. The stock has definitely been cut but a replacement shouldn't be to hard to find. We'll have to see what condition the bore is in, but it looks promising. Al.

JimBob · « **Reply #9 on:** August 21, 2011, 02:28:59 PM »

Quote from: shalako on August 21, 2011, 09:19:43 AM

Thanks for all the help. The stock has definitely been cut but a replacement shouldn't be to hard to find. We'll have to see what condition the bore is in, but it looks promising. Al.

Stocks are not easy to come by.Wood for vintage military rifles is drying up and becoming expensive.While there are a lot of the M91/30 rifles on the market there are very few M1891s showing up and not many loose stocks.If you have time I would look at the availability and price of a stock/handguard and hardware.Sometimes you end up with more in trying to restore one than you can buy one for depending on what the initial cost of the rifle is.

pony express · « **Reply #10 on:** August 21, 2011, 05:17:06 PM »

If this rifle made it to Russia, I suppose it could maybe have wound up being converted to a 91/30. Many of the old hex reciever Moisins became 91/30's, but I have no idea if any Remington or Westinghouse ones were.

Drydock · « **Reply #11 on:** August 21, 2011, 09:47:24 PM »

FOr now, I'd get 2 91/30 stocks off ebay, then splice the forearm to the correct length, while keeping an eye out for a complete 1891 stock.

Dalton Masterson · « **Reply #12 on:** August 21, 2011, 10:02:39 PM »

I saw the bayonets for a decent price somewhere recently. Might have been in Sportsmans Guide. They are different than the 91/30 bayonets, btw.
DM

JimBob · « **Reply #13 on:** August 22, 2011, 12:39:48 AM »

Mosin stuff http://www.libertytreecollectors.com

cpt dan blodgett · « **Reply #14 on:** August 25, 2011, 06:54:28 PM »

AZ Cabelas Store has add for MN with Bayonette $99

Sam Perfye · « **Reply #15 on:** August 30, 2011, 08:09:52 PM »

An update, I attended the auction and examined the Nagant. Not only had the stock been cut but the barrel was about 22" long with what looked like an aluminium barrel band front sight with a glob of red crayon insert. Still thought it might make an interesting project for 30-40 dollars. Boy was I wrong, it knocked down for $115. Guess it takes all kinds. Thank you all for your advice. Al.

Dalton Masterson · « **Reply #16 on:** August 30, 2011, 08:42:57 PM »

I passed on a butchered up RA MN at a gun show here not too long ago. Had a bobbed off stock, and a drastically shortened barrel. I think it was 150 or so.
Too bad the Remington marks are on the barrel, or I would have possibly swapped it with another good barrel.
DM

JimBob · « **Reply #17 on:** August 30, 2011, 09:01:18 PM »

When they cut the barrels it's pretty much done unless you have one in hand.I've looked at several sites for M91 stocks they ain't easy to find either.Restoring cut down military rifles anymore is a pretty dicey proposition anymore unless you have the parts in hand.

Texas Lawdog · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2011, 08:26:19 AM »

I got on AUction Arms about a month or so for $59. It has a full stock and seems to be okay. My question is, Are the specific markings for the ones that were built in the USA(ie: Remington or others)?

Dalton Masterson · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2011, 09:13:43 AM »

Yes, they will be specific. They will say Remington or New England Westinghouse if they were made in the USofA.
Check out the link above for more info on markings.
DM

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