Author Topic: Ten Wolves, my new military Shiloh (Read 14999 times)

Ten Wolves Fiveshooter · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2011, 09:31:31 AM »

marshal, that is a beautiful awesome rifle, what is the weight on it, and how does it shoot, or have you shot it yet, you're a lucky pard for sure.

tEN wOLVES

rustyrelx · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2011, 10:13:42 AM »

Now that is a cool rifle Don

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PJ Hardtack · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2011, 11:35:27 AM »

Marshall Deadwood

The light went on ....! I know you from the Shiloh Rifle forum, right? I ordered a Shiloh carbine in 50-70 to go along with my 50-70 MR and '63 MR and carbine. The 50-70 MR has become my hunting rifle of choice and taken the last several head of game I've shot, including four grouse!
I had the carbine 2 days and put it back in the box to Shiloh. It had a LOP I couldn't reach compared to my other military Sharps rifles and razor sharp edges above and below the undersized plate at the rear of the breechblock. That was weeks ago and I haven't heard word one back from them. I think they're mad at me .....
Someone on the Shiloh forum reported that the front sight on his MR was not top dead centre. I hope that wasn't your rifle.

Montana Slim · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2011, 05:48:10 PM »

Thatsa a nice rifle...."styling" I'd say...and and a dandy ta boot.

A friend has one built by Kenny Howell (some years back) that was converted from a (I believe) a Pedersoli percussion rifle.
I've admired the "look" since then.

Regards,
Slim

buckskin billy · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2011, 06:54:45 PM »

that is a nice rifle. something to be proud of

ndnchf · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2011, 07:05:11 AM »

Boy, that is a beauty. I love the Sharps military rifles. What caliber is this one - .45-70? Did Sharps ever make M1874 military rifles in .50-70? I know they converted a bunch of 1859/1863 models. I'm a big .50-70 fan. I have a Shiloh #3 that I've toyed with sending back to have it rebarreled to .50-70. But the idea of a .50-70 military rifle is intriguing.

Marshal Deadwood · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2011, 07:49:01 AM »

Mine is a 45-70.

Sometimes I wish I had went 50-70.

I hear so many good things about the hunting virtues of the 50-70 that it makes me really wanna try one.

Alas, so many guns so little.........well, you guys know.

MD

ndnchf · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2011, 02:09:01 PM »

Well, this answers my question:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=216516659

Marshal - Last I heard from Shiloh, a rebarrel job was about $500.

Maybe its time to start saving my pennies for a new Shiloh. I've been a good boy and its over 20 years since my last one.

Tascosa Joe · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2011, 05:00:57 PM »

50-70 Brass is hard to come by. I have some on back order from both Midway and Buffalo Arms. Expected delivery 1 Jun.

PJ Hardtack · « **Reply #10 on:** February 19, 2011, 11:20:39 AM »

Ever since getting a 50-70, my 45-70s get less range/hunting time. I've taken two 400+lb black bears with mine, a nice 4 pt mule deer and head shot grouse. All with BP loads.
An interesting phenomenon is that a 50-70 will kick less than 45-70 shooting the same amount of lead and powder; a function of lower pressure resulting from the larger bore.
I use the data from Venturino's book on loading the 50-70 and see no reason to change. 28/5744 is a good smokeless load and shoots to the same POA as my BP loads.
The Military Rifle goes with me everywhere, and I hunt on foot. The sling makes it convenient to carry in the 'African' or 'Safari' carry mode. I think it is the ideal hunting rifle although I confine myself to 100 yd shots. I like to 'drop' my game, not track it.

Marshal Deadwood · « **Reply #11 on:** February 20, 2011, 07:48:47 PM »

OH, no way I'd re-barrel my 45-70 now. But, a 50-70 is a good excuse for another rifle, eh ? I'd even considered selling my #3 and replace it with another military rifle. I'm taken with the mr as a hunting rifle,,and thats what I do. I do not ever plan to participate in the long range 'creed-moor' type shooting anyways.

Here is my #3,,,,,,,,it's top class all the way. 45-90...32" heavy barrel.........but I just don't carry it much. Too nice really.

I just am teetering on maybe selling it.

MD

Montanashooter · « **Reply #12 on:** February 20, 2011, 09:44:27 PM »

Im a 50 cal convert. I started out shooting 45 70s then ended up buying a 50/70 NYS Roller then liked it so much i bought a second one.. Hard to beat the way those 50s sound and the thunk they make. Found after adapting a modern ladder sight to the 1st roller that it was capable of very good accuracy as well. When i had my sharps built i opted for a 50-90. Still shoot my trapdoor 45/70 quite a bit but the 50s have been a real hoot. If your looking for 50 70 brass you might order off the Starline site or place a order. They show early May as expected in stock. Track of the Wolf is out but there not to bad to do business with brass is slightly higher then Buffalo arms in large quantities seemed to me from my dealings.

Grogan · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2011, 02:49:42 AM »

Here's an original Rolling Block Sporter in .50-70 that I really enjoy shooting.

Once you get setup to load for .50 cal cases, that's a great cartridge to shoot.

Marshal Deadwood · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2011, 08:43:14 AM »

OK,,,some guys shoot originials...what was the standard,,,or common bullet weight for the 50-70 back in the 'day ?

Some guys shooting reproductions,,have their guns rifled different to shoot the lighter offerings in 50-70 ?

What do you guys shoot in bullet weights,,,and if you shoot the lighter bullets vrs heavier bullets,,what are the twist ratios for each,,,to give best performance ?

Thank you

MD

ndnchf · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2011, 11:18:56 AM »

About 25 years ago I had an original .50-70 1863 model Sharps carbine conversion that I use to shoot a lot. With full house 2F black powder loads and a 400gr. bullet from Dixie's scissor mould, it would kick like a mule. On a good day I would get about 4" groups at 50 yards. Nothing to rave about, but it was fun. NOBODY else in my area shot BPCR in those days, so it was a real attention getter. Nowadays I shoot a model 1868 trapdoor using the same Dixie brass and a 20:1 Lyman 515141 bullet of about 425 gr. Its a very pleasant load in this rifle. Accuaracy is about the same, but then my eye's aren't what they used to be either. My other big 50 is an Uberti Model 1876 Winchester in .50-95. I use a couple different bullets ranging from 300-350gr. Its got a little kick too it, but not too bad. Shoots better than I can.

Dusty Morningwood · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2011, 01:52:29 PM »

Quote from: Grogan on February 21, 2011, 02:49:42 AM

Here's an original Rolling Block Sporter in .50-70 that I really enjoy shooting.

Once you get setup to load for .50 cal cases, that's a great cartridge to shoot.

Hey Grogan! I used to own that rifle. Think I sold it to you, IIRC. Sure is a dandy Husky roller. Means I need to get mine out to start shooting again.

Grogan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 21, 2011, 03:48:34 PM »

Quote from: Dusty Morningwood on February 21, 2011, 01:52:29 PM

Hey Grogan! I used to own that rifle. Think I sold it to you, IIRC. Sure is a dandy Husky roller. Means I need to get mine out to start shooting again.

Yeah Dusty that's the same one alright!

It's a real beaut...but being a Husqvarna Sporter it was chambered in that goofy 12.7 x 44mm cartridge that nobody makes, nor is available anymore. (And it's tough to form cases out of anything, like .50 Alaskan w/special bullets etc.)

I was able to talk a gunsmith into rechambering it to .50-70 Gov't and now it shoots great!

It wasn't marked anywhere as to what caliber it was made in, so when I go to sell it someday, I'm sure when I tell someone it's a .50-70 (and show them that that's what fits it) they'll be o.k. with that.

Got the Brass and got the Dies and I've been loading it with the same .50 cal. bullet that the Spencer Rifle/Carbines shoot.

The bullet's a little on the light side, but I've got the mould. Out to 200 yds, it shoots just fine.

PJ Hardtack · « **Reply #18 on:** February 21, 2011, 06:03:32 PM »

Sent an earlier reply, but it vanished into the ether .....

Early original 50-70s had a slow 1x42" twist, fine for the Gov't 425 gr bullet. My Farmingdale Shiloh Military Rifle has 1x36" which stabilizes the Lyman 515141 Gov't bullet but not the 540 gr I cast, keyholing at 50 yds. Just as well, as the recoil got my attention .....
Modern repros use 1x22, 1x24" and 1x26" to stabilize heavier bullets, the theory being that 'bigger is better'. Yep, when YOU are behind the butt plate, not me! Everything I hit with the 515141 and 65 grs FFg drops in it's tracks and I rarely recover a bullet unless it hits bone.
I ordered my Shiloh carbine with 1x26" twist as I wanted to have a rifle that would stabilize the heavier bullets. When the gun arrived, it wouldn't chamber the rounds, but the older MR accepted them. It's back in Shiloh's hands for correction of a couple of deficiencies.
You guys gotta get copies of Venturino's book on buffler rifles and Croft Barker's "The 50-70 Shooter's Handbook". Answers all your questions.

Montanashooter · « **Reply #19 on:** February 21, 2011, 10:34:04 PM »

My experience has been the same as PJs basically. I use 425s and 515 grain bullets in my origional 50-70s used to know the twist rate not sure but 1:42 sounds right. My 50-90 is 1:26 twist rate using 515s and playing some with 650s in it. Anyways those have been some of the better bullets for me.

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