I know, I know... I used to shoot only "holy black," or subs. Problem is, I am no longer set up to load 12 ga. BP loads, and don't have the time, either. I am busier than a one legged man in a butt kicking contest selling real estate, and am lucky to shoot one match a month. Also, Trail Boss is so dang easy, and even smokes quite a bit. I'm old and lazy, I guess.