New (old) scattergun This one's a darkside cannon fer shore

[Adirondack Jack]

So, I wandered over to a local auction house, and lo and behold, I find an old Hammer double, all forelorn and ugly, with a formerly broken wrist that had been repaired by some horse shoe specialist.  Argh!


So, I looked this fine old English double over, and she appears in good order excepting that ugly stock fix.  Dirty, sure, a lotta crud and maybe 125 or  so years have seen her through god knows what.

Well, she ain't gonna go on no fancy sellr's page fer no $3000 (a real good specimen of this gun might, but she's a plenty good CAS gun.



30 inch tubes, who knows what choke, the rib is marked "F Williams Fine Damascus Field Gun" and it has Birmingham proof marks for BP before 1902 (or so the auctioneer says based on his proof mark book)

Looks like a fine saloon keeper's gun to me

[litl rooster]

  Nice

[Dick Dastardly]

How tight does she lock up Jack?  That'd be my first concern.  Then, with original loads of BP, she may well do some great SASS duty for ya.  Fine old guns deserve to get some use.  Sure, some are wall hangers only for sentimental, family, collector reasons, but most should be cared for and shot.

Hope she makes great smoke for ya.  Looks like a fine old gun.  BTW, you didn't say, but I'm thinkn' she's a 12ga?

DD-DLoS

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[Adirondack Jack]

She's a 12.  Locks up pretty near perfect.  The latch lever is dead center, and there is only the slightest bit of side play in the lock lugs (we know how to grow them a bit, center punch and small hammer, been doing it on my Chicom SxS since day one as it gets loose from time to time).  I wouldn't be afraid of this gun as is, but I like ZERO wiggle when they lock up   Tubes looks fine, just the slightest bit of roughness just ahead of one of the chambers (somebody probably left it dirty and wet once.)

I'll do a teardown inspection, clean and lube and de-grunge it before the next shoot

Nothing's gonna fix the ugly on the stock wrist, but hey, it wouldn't be a CAS shooter (least not one I could afford), if the wood was right.

Everybody ought to own a fine English double just once

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

PLEASE.PLEASE, PLEASE;  Don't saw it off!!!

[Cuts Crooked]

PLEASE.PLEASE, PLEASE;  Don't saw it off!!!

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!

I shoot a full length (28") SXS with hammers and I have nevver been handicapped by the longer barrels! In fact I have a much eaiser time on the poppers with my longer barrels! I can let them birds float out there a ways and still hammer the heck outta them!

[litl rooster]

  I wish more of the repro's come with longer barrels.

[Adirondack Jack]

Oh I won't chop it.  I have a coach gun for those few times when it might be advantageous due to stage design.  The 30 inch pipes with BP do a number on a KD or a popper with no need to resort to thumper loads.  I haven't patterened this old gun yet, but most of em with the long tubes will toss nearly all the shot into a pie playe sized pattern at CAS distances, and they develop a LOT more velocity.

[Silver Creek Slim]

Good find, AJ. I like long barrels too.

Slim

[TAkaho kid]

Thats not a cannon.................This is a cannon:

[SFT]

How tight does she lock up Jack?  That'd be my first concern.  Then, with original loads of BP, she may well do some great SASS duty for ya.  Fine old guns deserve to get some use.  Sure, some are wall hangers only for sentimental, family, collector reasons, but most should be cared for and shot.

Here's some sources for a replacement stock and parts;
http://www.gun-parts.com/index.html
http://www.hoosiergunworks.com/catalog/buttstocks.html
http://www.gunpartscorp.com
http://www.e-gunparts.com/forum/forum2.asp?cat=22
Hope that helps.
Hope she makes great smoke for ya.  Looks like a fine old gun.  BTW, you didn't say, but I'm thinkn' she's a 12ga?

DD-DLoS

[Dick Dastardly]

Ho SFI,

Thanks for the leg up, but I didn't know about all those fine parts places.  I can't take credit for it but the post looks like it was my research.  It wasn't.  So, take a bow and my hat's off to ya.

DD-DLoS

[SFT]

Oopps, I need to pay attention more often, but hey, if the info helps someone find some much needed parts, they can credit whomever they want to, I'm cool with that; 

[Grapeshot]

"Thats not a cannon.................This is a cannon:"

NO!  That's a PUNT GUN.  Comercial Duck and Waterfowl hunters used them to gather birds for restraunts.

[SFT]

A "punt" gun? I understand the commercial hunting aspect, but why was it called PUNT?

[Adirondack Jack]

A "punt" is a square-nosed skiff used for hunting.  Punt guns were mounted, much as small rail guns were mounted on sea-going vessels, using a yoke attached to the boat.

[SFT]

A "punt" is a square-nosed skiff used for hunting.  Punt guns were mounted, much as small rail guns were mounted on sea-going vessels, using a yoke attached to the boat.

I see; add that to my new knowledge file.

[TAkaho kid]

"Thats not a cannon.................This is a cannon:"

NO!  That's a PUNT GUN.  Comercial Duck and Waterfowl hunters used them to gather birds for restraunts.

Correct.

The gentleman who made it has also recreated a 1880's era Quillen duck boat complete with the mount for this monster. Aparrently at the Michigan Duck hunters Festival he would row a bit of shore and set it off for the pleasure of the crowd.

Many years ago a friend of our family had one hanging over the mantle. Always wanted to try it out!

[Mason Stillwell]

That is the first time I have saw one of those Punt Guns.

All'is I can say is HOLY SMOKE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why do I not have one?

Mason

Is that SASS Legal LOL

[Delmonico]

When they add a Market Hunters class.