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Offline Capt. John Fitzgerald

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USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« on: February 02, 2006, 04:27:43 PM »
Greetings All,
First off, let's not turn this into a "want one, don't want one" discussion.  That has already been covered here in another post.  I would like to limit this to a discussion regarding the historic accuracy, or inaccuracy of these new offerings from USFA.
I am no expert on these models but I do have access to a rather large library of Colt books. Going through these books, I have found no examples of guns similar to the 1910 & 1911 models offered by USFA.
Most prominant feature of these models is the "round top" grips.  These grips are almost identical to those used on the Colt models 1905 and 1909.  One reference book, Colt Automatic Pistols by Donald Bady, Pioneer Press, shows (on page 190) a photograph of a model 1910 that was taken in November of 1910 at the Springfield Armory  trials.  The grips on this test model are identical to the standard style, tapered grips we are all used to seeing.  Nowhere, in any of the reference books at hand, have I been able to find a photograph of illustration of either a 1910 or 1911 model with the round top grips.
Another point of interest - the rounded hammer on the USFA 1910 model.  This hammer style was abandoned by Colt in 1908 and replaced with the more practical, spur type hammer.  1909 models have the spur type hammer as do all of the examples of models 1910 and 1911 that I have found.
As I said in the beginning, I am no expert, but did Colt, at any time, actually make guns similar to the 1910 and 1911 models being offered by USFA?  Prototypes?  Anything?
Sincerely,
CJF
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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2006, 04:37:18 AM »
That is a good question!  I am still searching myself.  The other thing I noticed is the website first states a price in the $1,400.00 range, but when you actually go through the build page the base price is now in the $1,800.00 range.

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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2006, 05:01:40 AM »
I did find in Browning's Book as well as R.L. Wilson's Colt book pictures of a colt auto with round stocks that were considered 1911 prototypes.  In Wilson's book, he states that pictured 1911 prototype was sometimes called a model 1909.  Remember that Donnely has the archival paperwork for Colt, so I am sure, I hope, that they are correct!  I hope!

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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2006, 11:27:06 AM »
Thanks, Doc.  I found numerous pictures of 1909 models with the rounded grips.  What got me curious was that picture of the 1910 model that I mentioned.  It, apparently, was an early test gun and it had the modern style grips and a spur hammer
 I can see where some of the early 1910 models may have had the rounded grips but the bulk of them (if not all) had the modern grips.  Becuase of that, I would be willing to bet that none of the 1911's had the old style grips.
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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2006, 01:08:48 AM »
One thing I did notice that was incorrect on the 1911 was the scalloped cuts on the frame near the trigger guard, those were not made on the 1911 until the 1920s with the 1911-A1 configuration.

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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2006, 01:38:40 AM »
Good eye, VG!  I missed that entirely.
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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2006, 01:34:18 AM »
I think they will change that to no scalloped cuts if they go into production.  The carbonia and fire blue looks awesome, just like the originals.

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Re: USFA Models 1910 & 1911 - Historically Accurate?
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2006, 09:07:03 AM »
Have these been produced yet?

 

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