Wildman, I did post it on there, and yeesh. Thankfully this site is friendly to new q guy questions. If I wasn't thick skinned I would be like "Screw this, these guys are horse's rear ends, I'm outta here." Thankfully, one other person was nice enough to PM me with a thorough answer, but new people are certainly not treated in a welcoming way on SASSNET. Sad, as they are complaining that membership is dropping...