Author Topic: Winchester 1873 Value PHOTO ADDED (Read 8233 times)

mrh1958 · « **on:** December 08, 2015, 02:43:51 AM »

Hello, new member here, I have a original 1873 Winchester chambered in 32-20, the serial number is 459xxx, gun is solid and seems to function ok, the metal is an even patina and dark, bore has visible lands and grooves and looks to have some light pitting, one unusual thing about this one is that it has what appears to be factory sling swivels, front swivel is attached to the nose cap on the forearm and the rear one inletted into the butt stock and attached with two screws. The wood is dark and has one small crack at the wrist of the stock, dust cover missing. Any idea on the value? Thanks in advance.

ndnchf · « **Reply #1 on:** December 08, 2015, 04:20:41 AM »

Welcome to the forum. You'll find lots of help and friendly folks here. More details are needed to better understand what you have - rifle or carbine? barrel length, round, half round or octagon barrel? sights? straight or pistol grip stock? If you can post a photo, that would help a lot.

mrh1958 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 08, 2015, 09:55:38 AM »

I will post a photo later this evening....thank you !

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Buck Stinson · « **Reply #3 on:** December 09, 2015, 11:28:25 AM »

mrh1958, What is the measurement from the toe of the butt plate to the center of the swivel on the bottom of the stock?

Buck

mrh1958 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 09, 2015, 02:34:53 PM »

Buck thanks for the question I will check that and post it here, in the meantime heres a photo of the gun in question

mrh1958 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 09, 2015, 02:38:01 PM »

The swivel is inletted and held in place by two screws if that helps.

Buck Stinson · « **Reply #6 on:** December 09, 2015, 03:16:19 PM »

Most Winchester sling swivels were attached in this fashion. Can't tell from the photo, but there should be a 1" swivel loop on the stud which is mounted to the forend cap. What is the barrel length? Looks to be extra long. Measure from the back of the receiver ring where the breech bolt comes flush with the chamber, to the end of the muzzle.

Buck

mrh1958 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 09, 2015, 03:26:08 PM »

Yes it does have the 1" swivel in the front and back, I will measure the barrel later this evening and post tomorrow, thanks for all the info

bear tooth billy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 09, 2015, 04:37:23 PM »

Rock Island Auction had 32 original 73s on their auction last weekend with
estimated prices from $1500 to $80000. Rarity and condition is everything.

BTB

mrh1958 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2015, 04:50:58 AM »

One thing I noticed on this 73 is with the hammer in the cocked position and the rifle pointed upward the plunger that the hammer strikes slips back and touches the hammer....problem?

wildman1 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2015, 05:38:33 AM »

That is the firing pin extension and should be pinned to the bolt. It should not come back. wM1

Buck Stinson · « **Reply #11 on:** December 10, 2015, 08:50:17 AM »

On an original '73, there is no extension on the firing pin. The firing pin is all one piece. There should be a piece called a retractor that fits on the left side of the breech bolt. A pin runs through the bolt and retractor to keep them in place and this pin also serves as the forward pivot point for the lever. If the firing pin falls back against the hammer when it is in the cocked position, either the retractor is in upside down or missing all together.

Buck

If you're unsure of what I'm talking about, send me a private message with your email address and I'll send some photos, so you can see how these things work and fit together.

Cliff Fendley · « **Reply #12 on:** December 10, 2015, 10:16:09 PM »

As Buck said that is the firing pin on an original.

The firing pin retractor not only retracts the firing pin when cocking the gun it also holds the firing pin in the bolt. There is a fair amount of pressure on it to push the hammer back if the gun has a fairly heavy main spring. I see them all the time that it doesn't keep the firing pin back or even retract it at all. There is a little pin sticking out on the toggle link that pivots the retractor and it pulls back on the firing pin, so I guess they are a common wear item.

The firing pin is not spring loaded like a Uberti. The retractor is similar to the firing pin stop that holds the firing pin extension in the bolt on current made Uberti rifles except it actually pivots and retracts the firing pin on an original 1873.

I'm not certain the retractor will even go in the gun backwards but even if it will I think it would still retain the firing pin, if the firing pin actually moves all the way back against the hammer with the action closed and the hammer cocked I'd bet the retractor is broken or missing. I have heard this is a common part to be missing although I've never seen one actually missing from a gun.

The toggle link pin through the bolt holds the retractor in just like the firing pin stop on current made Uberti rifles.

mrh1958 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 14, 2015, 05:08:47 AM »

Thanks for all the help guys I will check it out and see if that pin is missing or broken

Fox Creek Kid · « **Reply #14 on:** December 17, 2015, 01:07:05 AM »

Quote from: Buck Stinson on December 09, 2015, 03:16:19 PM

Most Winchester sling swivels were attached in this fashion. Can't tell from the photo, but there should be a 1" swivel loop on the stud which is mounted to the forend cap. What is the barrel length? Looks to be extra long. Measure from the back of the receiver ring where the breech bolt comes flush with the chamber, to the end of the muzzle.

Buck

Buck, you should post the retractor photos here, please. I have seen this in the Pirkle book before (which I don't own). It would be great to have first hand photos on file here.

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