Ira Paine's Personal S&W

[Fox Creek Kid]

Ira Paine was a 19th century handgun target shooting legend. I can't believe these idiots shot this gun with smokeless powder. 

[Trailrider]

As a matter of fact, I saw a NM#3 Frontier (in .44-40) blown up at a Cowboy shoot!  The shooter was using smokeless loads by some "manufacturer" (NOBODY we've ever heard of). He fired one or two round which sounded almost like squib loads. Indeed, I saw the second shot impact about 10-15 ft in front of the gun. The third round split the cylinder in half, vertically, and bent the topstrap upward. I was NOT allowed to examine any of the remaining ammo. My theory, however, is that the loads were so light that he got a delayed shot-start where the bullet came to rest in the forcing cone with the powder still smouldering. When the bullet stopped, the pressures increased dramatically, as the required force to engrave the rifling on the bullet from a standing start is quite a bit higher than from the case. We've seen this phenomenon in other guns where the smokeless load was too light and/or neck tension and/or crimp was insufficient to retain the bullet in the case until the powder ignited properly! It was a shame, as there were very few of the .44-40 guns made. 

[Fox Creek Kid]

Trailrider, I have seen a few "Kaboom" also, but as you well know we now live in an age where convenience & "feelings" trump reality.

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[St. George]

You can't outwit fools, simply because fools are so determined and devious.

The other day - on a different forum - some zipperhead opined that a stainless percussion could be shot with smokeless because of the strength of modern metallurgy.

Sure - if you've decided to give up on the use of both hands and eyesight.

So many folks today enter the shooting sports with zero background in it, and less interest in acquiring any, and besides, they view firearms as toys.

They play 'Lazer Tag' and watch youtube videos think - 'Hey, I can do that! - I'm deadly accurate playing 'Call of Duty' and 'Grand Theft Auto'.

So - they venture out of Mom's basement - after she's yelled at them to make sure they're wearing pants - 'Not like the last time!...' - and go out and buy firearms.

Training?

They don't need no stinkin' training - they'll 'go with their gut' and whatever they feel is right just has to be right...

I see this not in the so-called 'Millennials' but even in the ones in their 50s and 60s - attitudinal seekers of consensus and too damned lazy to look anything up, but filled with 'feelings' about realities instead of knowing of the actualities, and besides, if it's on the internet - it can't be wrong, can it?

God help us all...

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

[Blair]

St. George,

Yahoo!!! Go get um!
This statement, word inflection, should not be confused with St, George's description of "Yahoos".
My best,
 Blair

[Coal Creek Griff]

I'm a native-born American male!  I don't need someone to teach ME about guns!   

CC Griff

[Pettifogger]

Interesting that the whole time they are talking and waving the gun around it was loaded.

[Mike]

I see it to often and it is people with years of experance.

[Driftwood Johnson]

Interesting that the whole time they are talking and waving the gun around it was loaded.

Yup!