Pre-Production Sample of the new Thuer Conversion

[Fox Creek Kid]

Hoof, with your superb machining talent why not offer a "long cylinder" '60 Army conversion? 

[Hoof Hearted]

I am not machining my own parts any more than my competitors are...........
I made prototypes then drawings then paid a substantial amount of money to have the first ones made and all on the hope and prayer that I could sell them, pay my bills and have enough left over to reinvest.

I know that you know what this takes and how much all the smiths out there want in order to build "one offs"

Expect to see price increases in the other brands as costs just keep going up as well as the number of mouths being fed

I have lots of things planned and, in due time, would like to tackle that one brotha!

HH

[Hoof Hearted]

Here's a list of available calibers:

Navy
41 Colt inside lubed
38 Colt heel Basel
38 Colt inside lubed

Army
45 Colt/Schofield

Soon to come:

38 special
44 Colt
44  Special

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[Hoof Hearted]

Here's a view of the fixture that was made to properly index the ring for the checkering on the thumbpiece. Keep in mind it is blown up considerably and the engraving is much smaller in real life........

[Hoof Hearted]

Well the production parts are ready!
Here are left and right views of the first Navy Thuer in my Robert E Lee Commemorative...




This is the actual finish (polish and bluing) that will be provided.
Minor changes are visible in the thumbpiece, the shape of the shoulders and the screws in the shoulders.
The firing pin and screws are nitre blued.

Remember the first fifty will be fit to your firearm for free!

HH

[Hoof Hearted]

So Hoof - how much are these conversions?

I just don't think that this is the correct place to post prices!
This forum is to share info amongst enthusiasts and I shall keep my posts limited to that.........

Shoot me a PM Seth and I'll give ya the skinny

Regards, HH

[msc_8791]

Gary,


1 - Are there any externally visible alterations made to the 1860 Army frame for the Theur? I ask because Id like to keep my Colts as near to original as possible for future resale value

2 - Would I still be able to use the original BP cylinder?

3 - 6 hole or 5 hole in 1860 Army?

Thanks

[Hoof Hearted]

Gary,


1 - Are there any externally visible alterations made to the 1860 Army frame for the Theur? I ask because Id like to keep my Colts as near to original as possible for future resale value

2 - Would I still be able to use the original BP cylinder?

3 - 6 hole or 5 hole in 1860 Army?

Thanks

I hope this helps!

1). No mods necessary......perfect for the 2nd gen colts!
2). They will index just like the Kirst product (hand may have to be stretched but we can do everything possible to make both cylinders index).
3). 5 shot just like everyone elses product in the 1860 due to space issues.

Regards, HH

[msc_8791]

Gary,
Thanks for the reply. Definitely answers my questions. FYI, I just boxed up a pair of piettas for you to do some work on. Dropping them off at FedEx later today. Once I get those back from you, I am definitely interested in you putting a couple of thuers in my colt armies. If you only had them in stainless steel for my other two colt 1860 armies...

[petrinal]

Well the production parts are ready!
Here are left and right views of the first Navy Thuer in my Robert E Lee Commemorative...




This is the actual finish (polish and bluing) that will be provided.
Minor changes are visible in the thumbpiece, the shape of the shoulders and the screws in the shoulders.
The firing pin and screws are nitre blued.

Remember the first fifty will be fit to your firearm for free!

HH

 

my gosh...this is amazing!

[rifle]

Are those replacement cylinders bored clean thru the size fer the  case with no cylinder throat or are there throats in the chambers like any standard modern revolver?
I can see why there are not too many actual copies of Thurers that use the tapered cases and all.Even the originals weren't made to the specs of the patent blue prints in regards to the way the heeled bullets fit the tapered cases. The heeled bullets weren't tapered at the heel and were jammed in the tapered case. Accuracy suffered and Thurers were known as "not real accurate".
The patent prints show a case tapered at all but the case mouth that was not so the untapered bullet could seat straight in the case and the chambers accomodated that part of the case not tapered......they manufactured slightly off what the original blue prints showed.
One simple solution to the pproblem would have been a bullet mould that made a heeled bullet with a tapered heel to match the tapered case. So...daaaaaaa?? Why the originals were lacking the way they were is a real mystery.
Anywhooooo.....ifin I was to make a bullet mould fer a Thurer I'd make it fit the case as it was tapered. That way the bullets wouldn't be canted and would be straight in the case and therefore shoot straighter.

[Qball]

Will they fit any Italien/US made revolver or are some excluded?
Like for example an ASM made 1860?

[Pettifogger]

Is the website up yet?

[Hoof Hearted]

Sorry for my absence here!

This time of year is very busy for us on the ranch, what with horse shows, hay and my burgeoning gun business
I poked a big hole in the web of my hand and that has me behind a week or so but I think I can get back to it 1st of next week (as I type with 6 fingers).........

NO, unfotunately I have not made time for the website. Soon, very soon.

Yes I can probably fit one to your ASM, contact me directly.

Don't let the lack of a website keep you from being the first guy at your club with a New Improved Thuer® conversion though

Regards, HH

[Qball]

Yes I can probably fit one to your ASM, contact me directly.

Regards, HH

Pm on the way

[Lefty Dude]

Gary;

My 1860/1960 Belgium Colt is on the Stage for the fitting of a Thuer conversion 45 Colt cartridge cylinder.

E-mail me when it arrives.

Lefty

[Hoof Hearted]

IMPORTANT UPDATE



It seems (after talking to a couple of pards) that I have not been able to properly explain the workings of the New Improved Thuer® BREECH LOADING Cartridge conversion. There are a number of things about this conversion that really stand out and all of them are important!

The "conversion" ring (this is the part that contains the firing pin) is indexable by rotating it left and right with your thumb (or other digit if yer thumb is missing). The reason for this is so you can place your revolver on SAFE or FIRE. YES there is a manual safety. It is located in what was originally the "eject" position on a front loading Thuer®. This ring is indexed off the edge of the frame (below) by a ball plunger, which is adjustable for engagement.

There is no loading port to cut in your frame (yes loading through a gate is faster than pulling the barrel but the fastest reload is always another loaded pistol). Why cut a port in your collectable Colt cap and ball pistol? If you are used to shooting a cap and ball than your pistol should be set up for easy wedge removal and if you are shooting Black Powder cartridge ammo it just allows you to wipe the fouling off the front of the cylinder while it's apart.

The firing pin is removeable. There is a small set screw that interupts a slot in the side of the firing pin and by backing it out slightly, with a pocket screwdriver, you can clean the firing pin and the hole in the conversion ring. By the way that firing pin is twice as big as you are used to (meaning twice as strong) and guaranteed to not bend or break. Also the material in front of the firing pin (the thin area of the conversion ring) is twice as thick as you are used to. No worry of "peening" the frame like on some conversions.

Don't forget that these are "drop in's" just like everyone else's....

Regards HH

[Fox Creek Kid]

...I can see why there are not too many actual copies of Thurers that use the tapered cases and all.Even the originals weren't made to the specs of the patent blue prints in regards to the way the heeled bullets fit the tapered cases. The heeled bullets weren't tapered at the heel and were jammed in the tapered case...

It wasn't a real radical taper per se:


http://www.oldammo.com/august06.htm

[Hoof Hearted]

Wlat Kirst and I have done quite a bit of pondering over this "issue" (in quotes because I don't feel it was the issue we are trying to make it out to be so long after, and without actual use). If you ever get the chance to examine a real Colts bullet mould with two cavities, one for ball and one for conical) you will see that there is some taper to the heel of the conical. We both are in speculative agreement that this would lend itself well for Thuer cartridge reloading based on the chambers we have examined on original cylinders.

Have any reading this thread ever seen any other Colts mould? Maybe one designed exclusively for Thuer cartridge reloading?

HH

[Hoof Hearted]

I now have a VERY limited supply of Thuer® cylinders for the Army in 44 Colt Heel Base for the tradionalist