Vintage performing 44-40 Black Powder Ammunition now available

[w44wcf]

Buffalo Arms now has some stock of 44-40 b.p. ammunition that is a TRUE REPLICATION of the original 44-40 b.p. ammunition.

Bullet- Ideal / Lyman 427098 - copy of the original 2 grooved bullet
Black Powder - Swiss - a black powder that is on par with the finest b.p.'s of the late 1800's.  

 

http://www.buffaloarms.com/44_40_Black_Powder_Ammunition_it-158172.aspx?CAT=4438

Using the same components above that Buffalo Arms does, I was able to produce 100 yard targets of less than 3" for 10 shots AND could shoot a whole cartridge box full (50) still maintaining excellent accuracy throughout with no barrel cleaning required.

Rowdy, at a price that is comparable to Black Dawge b.p. ammunition but gives much superior performance,  it would be wise that Black Dawge switched over to Swiss, which as we know, is much better than Goex, which fouls out quickly with two lube grooved bullets. 

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[Rowdy Fulcher]

W44wcf
This is Great news ,and there timing is perfect . Hunting season is just around the corner .

[KirkD]

That is great news. I still have to find some Swiss up here in the Northern Wastes.

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[The Pathfinder]

Must be turning out to be popular, it's already in backorder staus. 

[w44wcf]

Yes, it must be. I wonder how long it will be before they have it back in stock???

w44wcf

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Howdy
It's still on back order

[Hangtown Frye]

Any information as to the actual load?  Is it a true 40 grains?  If unknown, is there any indication of the actual velocities that are being had from a normal 24" barrel with these cartridges?  A true 40 grain charge ought to be bringing out some serious velocities far higher than is allowed by SASS rules (which is fine by me, I hate those weenie loads!)  I'd be very interested to hear more about it.

Thanks,

Gordon

[Rowdy Fulcher]

Hangtown
This was found by W44wcf , he stated  it was loaded with Swiss probably 2f ( 37 grains ) would be my guess . This round is supposed to duplicate the Original Winchester 44wcf load for the NEW 1873 rifle . This round should travel at about 1320 fps yes this round aint no Weenie load . It would be an Excellent choice to Hunt with .

[w44wcf]

Gordon,
I talked with Buffalo Arms and they are waiting for a shipment of 44-40 brass from Starline which is due in around the 19th of November.  They estimated that it would be 3-4 weeks after that when the 44-40 b.p. ammunition will again be available.

They did not have any ballistics data, but as Rowdy indicated, a capacity load of Swiss with a bit of compression will duplicate the original 44-40 factory b.p. velocity.

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[The Pathfinder]

So it should show up after the New Year, COOL! Guess it turns into a birthday gift (early) as opposed to a Christmas gift.

[Hangtown Frye]

Rowdy, w44WCF;

Thanks!  That's the info I was looking for!  I appreciate the update.

Cheers!

Gordon

[wildman1]

Starline called me two days ago and are now shipping 44/40 brass. WM

[The Pathfinder]

  Just got a call from Buffalo Arms letting me know my backorder for their black powder 44-40 will go in the mail tomorrow. Said I should have it in hand by next week.

[w44wcf]

Pathfinder,

Thank you(!) for the great news!  

Excellent!  Please let us know how it performs for you......

w44wcf

[The Pathfinder]

W44WCF, it'll be a test of not only the ammo, I may have to break out the old Euroarms rifle for that, but also for the '73 I've put back into shooting shape. Unfortunately they don't allow us to hunt with a rifle in Ohio, so I'd have to go down to Kentucky for that; next year maybe. I'll let everyone know how it turns out.

[djossi@yahoo.com]

Does using black powder mean that additional effort will need to be invested in cleaning the rifle?

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Does using black powder mean that additional effort will need to be invested in cleaning the rifle?

It is actually easier, but you have to pay attention and clean soon after shooting, like as soon as you return to camp or home, whichever happens first.  The urgency depends on the relative humidity of your area and current weather.  

It is not hard, especially for cartridge firearms as there are fewer opportunities for fouling to spread throughout the innards. Start with several soapy water patches through the barrel followed by any one of a number of BP cleaning solvents until clean. AND THEN LUBRICATE ASAP to prevent flash rust on the now very clean ferrous surface. Wipe out any apparent BP fouling that you note anywhere along the way. One thing that I don't find when shooting properly lubed BP ammo is leading!

Store where there is dry air circulating and check every once in a while. Get into your gunsafe often, especially soon after cleaning. Dis assembly for thorough cleaning might not be so urgent given thorough lubrication, but stripping, cleaning and lubricating before lengthy storage is strongly advised.

Read through the DARKSIDERS DEN, and THE DARK ARTS, as there is much more experience recorded there.

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,10404.0.html

[w44wcf]

Does using black powder mean that additional effort will need to be invested in cleaning the rifle?

Not really but the cartridge cases will need to be cleaned. Personally I use 50/50  white vinegar / water to do that.  After I get home or a day or two later I soak the cases in the solution until the bubbling stops (less than 1 minute) I then rinse and air dry.

For the rifle, I just use b.p. solvent or plain water. 4 to 5 patches later the bore is pretty clean. I then run a couple of dry patches followed by a patch with oil for storage.

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[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

Case cleaning takes more time than the firearm.  I deprime and soak them in water and detergent first, then in some vinegar & water.  Recently I have been using an ultrasonic cleaner after a good soapy water soak.  I use straight vinegar, and rinse well when the cases are clean. The last rinse is water & baking soda. Ballistol is a good cleaner when mixed with water, and straight for protecting the metal.

[Bryan Austin]

Buffalo Arms now has some stock of 44-40 b.p. ammunition that is a TRUE REPLICATION of the original 44-40 b.p. ammunition.

Bullet- Ideal / Lyman 427098 - copy of the original 2 grooved bullet
Black Powder - Swiss - a black powder that is on par with the finest b.p.'s of the late 1800's.  

 

http://www.buffaloarms.com/44_40_Black_Powder_Ammunition_it-158172.aspx?CAT=4438

Using the same components above that Buffalo Arms does, I was able to produce 100 yard targets of less than 3" for 10 shots AND could shoot a whole cartridge box full (50) still maintaining excellent accuracy throughout with no barrel cleaning required.

Rowdy, at a price that is comparable to Black Dawge b.p. ammunition but gives much superior performance,  it would be wise that Black Dawge switched over to Swiss, which as we know, is much better than Goex, which fouls out quickly with two lube grooved bullets. 

w44wcf    

Does anyone sell just the bullets? My bullet making is stalled at just using wheel weights. Cant seem to get them smooth and shinny. Accuracy is not quite there either.