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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #40 on: September 19, 2006, 05:13:48 PM »
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2006, 08:16:21 AM »
I would like to see a class for those new to shooting sports, a "Tenderfoot Class".  1 pistol, 1 rifle that you could only compete in for a set period of time, 6 months to a year before moving into one of the current classes.  This would be open to those that do not have competitive shooting expirence.  They would compete only among thenselves and not againist everyone else.  It would give them time to not only learn but to aquire the gear to compete in the current classes.  It might also ease some of the feelings that total newcomers have about being inexpirenced.

The goal of this class would be to bring in shooters not just new to CAS but to shooting sports period. I think it would be a great way to support and promote 2nd Amendment rights as well as CAS.
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2006, 06:41:00 PM »
How about an official Non-scoring category.

For those starting out with only one revolver, kids shooting .22’s and old geezers that want to buck the system and shoot one of Coyote Cap’s 93/97’s.

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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #43 on: September 30, 2006, 07:36:42 PM »
I would like to see a class for those new to shooting sports, a "Tenderfoot Class".  1 pistol, 1 rifle that you could only compete in for a set period of time, 6 months to a year before moving into one of the current classes.  This would be open to those that do not have competitive shooting expirence.  They would compete only among thenselves and not againist everyone else.  It would give them time to not only learn but to aquire the gear to compete in the current classes.  It might also ease some of the feelings that total newcomers have about being inexpirenced.

The goal of this class would be to bring in shooters not just new to CAS but to shooting sports period. I think it would be a great way to support and promote 2nd Amendment rights as well as CAS.
I second that idea, a good suggestion!
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2006, 06:35:19 PM »
The marketing/PR:  I agree that something needs to be done.  As it stands, most of what goes on in the Chronicle, magazine ads, etc. is targeted on existing SASS members, and not entirely objective (i.e. product reviews, editorials, et al)  LETS DRAFT MARSHAL H. AND TEQUILA !!!!!  Look at the Popularity of "Cowboys" and how CAS City has grown from the old CAS-List to the international forum it is today.  Getting the TV show on another network like ESPN, USA, TNT or even SpikeTV would get it on more cable channels.  Mostly only the extended digital cable and satellite TV can get The Outdoor Channel.  (Yeah, I know its not controlled by SASS - but that's why we need to DRAFT MARSHAL H. AND TEQUILA!!!!!)

BTW, think Cutter Carl's idea of a starter class - "Tenderfoot", "Pilgrim" or "Greenhorn", etc.  sounds great.  A lot of "starter-outers" have posted on this board, and others, asking "do I HAVE to have four guns to get started?"
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #45 on: October 09, 2006, 01:48:50 PM »
I think CAS in general, needs to move to a scoring system that is based on accuracy rather than speed.
I recently shot a match that was "Spatter City" because the targets were so close. If that trend continues, it is just a matter of time before we see some serious injuries. Just my honest opinion, but big steel targets so close, really worry me.

A scoring system more based on accuracy would also slow down the "Arms Race", also.
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #46 on: October 19, 2006, 03:21:43 AM »
Tenderfoot or Tenderloin, single pistol class.  I dunno; I like the idea, but see a couple of problems:  to shoot the 10 handgun targets the rest of the field shoots requires a reload; and for a "tenderfoot" that might just be the cause of a dropped gun, breaking the 170 deg. plane or another safety violation that will be counter-productive to the new shooter.  (See 1st Match Jitters thread).  Having them only shoot 5 of the 10 targets might throw off the overall scoring if they happen to be a skilled shooter, but still just starting out in CAS.  Far as I'm concerned, go back to one handgun for all competitors.  But I do like the NCOWS "working cowboy" class.   For several years I carried my SAA Colt as my official duty gun, which meant I had to qualify with it on the PPC course.  That included reloads and shots inside a time window.  12 rounds at 25 yards in 180 seconds is doable, but still shooting a qualifying score isn't easy.  It was sometimes very gratifying to beat some the guys shooting autos!  Not to mention shooting a better score!  And the looks when I told my fellow officers I was only a mediocre Cowboy Action Shooter was priceless.
And, IROT is 100% correct.  Removing the WB in any form from the running of their organization is theft, plain and simple.  Look at any Board of Directors of any corporation, they still run the company.  They may have a Pres, and several VPs in several capacities, but the BoD runs the show and tells the rest of the organization what they want done.  The fact that the WB organized the TGs shows that they are interested in what the membership wants and needs.  However, the membership is not always wise in what it wants.  Take any organization run by committee and you'll find an organization that's stagnant, or dominated by one individual on said committee.  And as for the Chisler, what can I say?   Some personalities just clash.  From what I've seen, public relations, if defined by his people skills, isn't his forte, but promotion is.  You have to remember, his job isn't to promote the sport to the members, but rather to match sponsors and contributors to prize pools, etc.  Sometimes, the membership is a hinderance in its' demands, over what he percieves as his primary function.  I may be off-base here, JMNSHO.
What I would agree with, is putting the Founder's Ranch to more use.  But it has to be a paying concern in order to do that.  That means, if we want it to hold more events, we have to support those that it does host.  And, I'm as guilty as a lot of folks for not doing just that.  I'm hoping to change that myself in the coming year.
Target issues and guidelines are fine just as they are.  The placement of targets is generally a local issue.  But, I agree, they need to generally move back a few more feet.  And either Rank Points or Total Time scoring is scoring on accuracy.  It's been proven, time after time, that you can't miss fist enough to win.
What I do disagree with, it that total time is a better scoring method.  Rank point scoring or total time seldom change the outcome of matches.  For several months I took our monthly match scores and ranked them using both methods.  The changes in the overall finish or class finish was seldom changed.  IIRC, the same folks were in the top ten, and won their classes.  Yes, there were minute changes from time to time depending on what scoring method you used, but in the big picture it doesn't make any difference.  If I can explain this right, it's like any race, those with the best skills and most talent will win more often that those that don't.  Those in the top ten were there in either scoring system, those in the 11th-20th place were there, those in the 21st-30th place were there, and so on down the list.  Yes, there were exceptions, but there were many times that no change in the ranking was found.
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #47 on: October 25, 2006, 08:20:09 PM »
Just got back from vacation and read the reply from Griff. 
The newbie class would compete only among themselves.   No reloads, only a single pistol and rifle to allow them time to decide they like the sport, gain expirence and purchase the other guns.  They could only stay in the class for fixed period before having to move onto one of the current classes. 
By making it like the working cowboy class in NCOWS without reloads it does away with alot of the 1st match jitters.  They could start out with a pistol and rifle in the newbie class.  Just drop the 2nd pistol targets and shotgun targets from the stage for them.  Since they compete only among thenselves no scoring problems.  Draw, shoot 5 targets with the pistol, reholster, go to the rifle to finish.  Less chance for dropped guns, 170 deg. plane or other safety violations while they get comfortable with the sport. 
I think it would bring in new CAS shooters and new shooting sports shooters.  I think there are a lot of positives and few negatives.
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Re: Next Question...What can SASS improve on ? ?
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2006, 09:12:23 AM »
I don't see that SASS is preventing any of the newbie ideas that are being presented here.  ANy of these things could happen on the club level and there is no need for SASS to be involved in any way.  If SASS got involved then clubs would be required to do it and I could see that actually hurting SASS because it would require extra work at matches.  Anyone who is active in their local clubs probably realizes that most are shorthanded as it is.  Especially on match day.


For a "newbie" class with less guns you would have to include a seperate set of stage instructions and in order to score them and not include them in the over all scores you wuold have to either setup two seperate matches in the scoring program or use two seperate databases depending upon the scoring application that you use.


If you did as Steamboat Jack suggested and had a non-scoring category then there would be no extra work but don't we all do something along those lines anyway?
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