Fox Creek Kid
I guess my purpose is two fold.
I frequent several different forums. One is the S&W forum. In the Antique section of the forum the question frequently gets raised as to whether or not it is safe to fire the old guns (pre-1900) with modern off the shelf smokeless ammo. The same question gets raised on other forums too. I am talking about calibers like 38 S&W and stuff like that. Stuff that is presently commercially available. Usually there will be several answers by shooters who testify how they have shot the old guns for years with presently available commercial ammo and they have not blown one up yet. Usually they answer with the statement that the ammo is purposely loaded down in pressure so as not to blow up the old guns. Very few of these guys have any experience at all with Black Powder. Most are stuck in the old way of thinking that it is messy, a pain to clean, and will rust the guns over night. So they go with the old assumption that shooting pre-1900 guns with modern ammo is OK.
I usually try to give the response we would expect from Venturino (yes I have read lots of his stuff and respect him highly). The standard information that Colt did not warranty the SAA for Smokeless Powder until 1900. Kunhausen makes the same statement, going further in depth about the metalurgy of the day. I do disagree that the metallurgy of the time in question was alchemy at best. There was a lot of good science starting to be practiced, and artisans had been making steel for centuries. It just was not available on a mass production basis until the Bessemer process was perfected in the 1850s. But I digress. I assume you were simply exaggerating with the remark about alchemy. Michael Chicoine makes some very convincing arguments for not shooting any Smokeless in the old guns too.
So I will usually make the standard remarks about pressure curves, and pressure spikes, and all that stuff. I usually get shouted down. So that's why I am looking for some specific examples to give of old revolvers that have been blown up by light smokeless loads.
Along these lines, I bought a S&W 38 Single Action 2nd Model not too long ago. I did fire a half box of modern Winchester ammo through it, and it was fine. I will probably not shoot it again until I have some 38 S&W dies and can make up my own BP loads. And more recently, I bought a S&W New Model #3, a truly beautiful revolver, and I have no intention of shooting it with Smokeless, although I am sure it has been shot with Smokeless at some time. This one is just too valuable for me to risk blowing up. But when I contacted Happy Trails, whom I respect greatly, and who owns oodles of old Smiths, he said to go right ahead and shoot it with modern made 44 Russian.
So it's not that I don't know who to believe, I strongly believe in keeping Smokeless away from these old revolvers, I just want to find some specific examples so I can post with a little bit more authority.
Or I suppose I could just shut up and let them blow up their nice old guns.