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True or BS ??
« on: November 02, 2009, 01:57:51 PM »
Ho pards ..
Is it true or is it plain ole BullSiht.....

That using ONLY the Holy Black in your smokepoles barrel it will eventually become...`seasoned`  ???


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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2009, 02:09:44 PM »
BS :o

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2009, 02:12:50 PM »
Hmmm ...don't have seasons here in Florida....we can shoot all year  ;D
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Re: True or BS ??
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 02:27:25 PM »
See James Hunt's comments in the Ballistol What Mix to Use thread.  What James is outlining is how to season a blackpowder barrel.  I have a couple of flintlock's that have never been cleaned with anything but spit or water, and we always lubed with tallow or bear grease.  The bores are as good today as they were 20 years ago when they were new.

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2009, 02:35:32 PM »
There are some, myself included, who do hold to the theory that shooting BP with typical BP lubes, and you clean with Ballistol, does 'season' the barrel somewhat and makes subsequent cleanings easier.
If you use a solvent-type cleaner it breaks down that seasoning. (Had to use a bore brush along with wet patches for the first couple of cleanings until it was re-seasoned enough to come clean with just wet patches.)



  
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2009, 03:10:38 PM »
My guns, both modern and old, clean up easier when used with black powder.  Every time I shoot heathen stuff, it takes a couple of black powder sessions before they get back to their easy cleaning ways.  So, for me, it does make a difference.

FWIW, I find cleaning up after black powder shooting far easier than after shooting heathen smokeyless fad powder ammo.  I think that if it were studied in depth that the "fact" that cleaning after shooting heathen powder is not necessary as often would be proven wrong.  It's my educated guess that all guns shoot better with clean bores and actions.  We just do that more often with black powder because of the corrosion boogyman.  Maybe it's a good boogyman, huh?

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2009, 03:14:55 PM »
True or BS?  Yes, without a doubt.

Next question, please.
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2009, 03:23:00 PM »
I've been going back and forth between wholly black ( ;D) and smokeless ( :() quite regularly this year in my revolvers.  So my guns are always clean.  I've been using Ballistol exclusively as cleaner for both powders.  No problems.

Asked about barrel seasoning this weekend, was told by two darksiders that it's just a bunch of voodoo.

One thing I've noticed, my forcing cone, instead of being nice and shiny after a good cleaning, is now a smokey black, even after a good cleaning, and forcing cone lead removing tool usage.  Not sure what that is.... ???
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2009, 04:40:48 PM »
It is true but it ins't the black powder that is doing it. It is the organic lubes in use. Bore Butter, tallow, olive oil, vegetable shortening etc.

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2009, 06:41:07 PM »
I don't like the term "seasoned", but shooting only natural, 100% organic gunpowder in your firearm will make it easier to clean, improve your appearance and grow hair ta boot!

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2009, 06:49:09 PM »
Good natural lubes season cast iron cookware, and don't know why it wouldn't with barrel steel. 
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 07:44:30 PM »
Yes, my experience shows it to be true.  The guns clean easier with only BP ammo, than if I shoot smokeless, clean, and then shoot BP.

In fact, I've gotten to the point where I don't like to shoot smokless in my main match revolvers at all.  I have another set that I use for smokeless practice. 

All my CAS matches are 100% real black powder with a beeswax/olive oil lube.


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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 07:49:10 PM »
Good natural lubes season cast iron cookware, and don't know why it wouldn't with barrel steel. 

My thoughts exactly.

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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 07:52:23 PM »
Seasoned, absolutely!!


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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2009, 04:05:52 PM »
I started a new 1858 Remington on Pyrodex P and never could get the bore and chambers to season .
I switched to nothing but real black powder and yes it did season , cleaning is much easyer now and it never tries to flash rust before I dry it after cleaning .  
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 06:49:10 PM »
I only use Tony Charere's original Creole Seasoning and alligator tail fat on my barrels.   ;D ;D
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #16 on: November 03, 2009, 07:48:51 PM »
Howdy

It's the oils you use for cleaning, not the powder. My experience is that after being shot with Black Powder and cleaned with Murphy's Mix and lubed with Ballistol a few times, my guns are indeed a little bit easier to clean. I too only shoot Black Powder through my main match CAS guns. I don't like going back and forth between BP and Smokeless.
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #17 on: November 03, 2009, 07:52:26 PM »
Howdy

It's the oils you use for cleaning, not the powder. My experience is that after being shot with Black Powder and cleaned with Murphy's Mix and lubed with Ballistol a few times, my guns are indeed a little bit easier to clean. I too only shoot Black Powder through my main match CAS guns. I don't like going back and forth between BP and Smokeless.

(Shhh, don't telll them, I gave them the hint in my post about seasoning cast iron.) ;)
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2009, 11:39:49 PM »
I think no matter what you shoot, the boolits, lubes, etc will knock the corners and burrs off and generally smooth things out some. I think it was the Lijia barrel site and they cautioned again being overly enthuasistic about removing all traces of fouling, saying that the barrels were smoothed out and settles in, stripping em back to bare metal again required thhat the process be started over again. They were talking about smokless rifle barrels, but they idea makes sense and probably applies to any sort of gun.
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Re: True or BS ??
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2009, 09:54:01 AM »
I only use Tony Charere's original Creole Seasoning and alligator tail fat on my barrels.   ;D ;D

Yeah, but Emeril LaGasse's Essence (another Creole seasoning) works better... ;)

 

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