All,
There have been some general posts on this forum of late inquiring on 19th century knives, appearance, sheaths, etc. Chuck Burrows recently posted an excellent thread (thread: Period Knives - Researching the Subject) on documentation and source info. St Geo has also re-posted some of his past excellent period reference data toward this effort. This is applaudable and helps to keep us all on track, it’s best to be informed before spending hard-earned samolians on knives & associated and research is the key.
In that spirit I brought this old post ‘back to the top’ of this forum for a brief spell. The knives detailed in this old post are only a small sampling of some of the era, though the info here may offer general documentation to those interested in such. It is, indeed, old info but still may still have something to offer.
Brass
p.s. Now it’s time for me to get back to lurking and looking for posts here that shed new light and help us all. Good show.[posts from original thread follow]
All,
St Geo. has done a great thing in starting this forum. Now the trick is to meet his intent on posting 19th century knife/cutlery information, research, and sources. The focus here is on the basic side knife and my audience is the guy who’s looking to get a reasonably authentic and moderately priced reproduction.
When you see a side knife and scabbard on one’s belt how do you know if it’s really proper to the old west era? I’ve seen quality new-made side knives and scabbards which are impressive and functional works of art but I’m often left wondering if such are at all based on original examples, shown in any period images or other primary sources. Hopefully this forum can be of assistance in wading through the details with liberal doses of primary documentation on styling queues, construction, etc to separate fact from fiction - not simply the use of historic conjecture, general statements, or ‘if they coulda made it this way they woulda…’. Arming yourself with knowledge will make your procurement of a proper reproduction side knife easier to do and get right the first time around.
My knife purchases are premised on ensuring a reproduction is as close as possible to a documented, period example. Toward that end the following repro knives and scabbards have provenance to an original or documentation supporting them in some measure. Such information is listed by each picture below. Perhaps this information can assist those who’d like to get a reasonably priced and accurate reproduction knife. I have no connection to the suppliers listed below. And, though I do like many of their products, not all of their stuff is 100% period correct so approach with the usual caution.
If you do your research before buying you can’t go wrong. If you’re keen on period knife info for your library a couple of excellent reference books are The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004) and the Heritage of English Knives by D. Hayden-Wright (2008). And if you’re lucky enough to find the out-of-print The Antique Bowie Knife Book by B. Adams (1990) for under a $100 consider buying it as used copies are now selling for upward of several hundred dollars.
YMH&OS,
Brass
Knife & scabbard maker: CAS Iberia ‘Historical Bowies Collection’ (blade 8 & 3/4"). Oil finish belt throg by G. Schultz
Source material: Photo of original Sheffield knife & scabbard pictured in The Antique Bowie Knife Book from article “Bowies on a Budget”, Knife World Vol 31, #5, 2005. Original scabbard throg type pictured in circa 1861-65 ferrotype page 160 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004)
Knife & scabbard maker: CAS Iberia ‘Historical Bowies Collection’ (blade 8")
Source material: Illustration & info with pinned slab stag handle knife shown on page 66 James Bown & Son Enterprise Gun Works Headquarters for Sporting Goods and Ammunition of all Kinds, catalogue (1876) and photo of similar original Sheffield knife on page 287 Heritage of English Knives by D. Hayden-Wright (2008)
Knife & scabbard maker: CAS Iberia ‘Historical Bowies Collection’ (blade 8")
Source material: Photo of similar original J. Chevalier solid stag metal-capped handled knife shown on page 348 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004)
Knife & scabbard maker: Atlanta Cutlery (blade 9"). Oil finish belt throg by G. Schultz
Source material: Circa 1874 ferrotype showing curved cylindrical metal-capped knife handle pictured page 220 and circa 1870-75 ferrotype showing same on page 313 Hunting the American West: The Pursuit of Big Game for Life, Profit, and Sport 1800-1900 by R. Rattenbury (2008). Original scabbard throg type pictured on page 208 The Peacemakers: Arms and Adventure in the American West by R. Wilson (1992)
Knife & scabbard maker: Atlanta Cutlery (blade 10”). Oil-finish belt throg by G. Schultz
Source material: Photo of original Sheffield knife, scabbard & scabbard throg page 363 and knife in belt pictured in period Civil War era ferrotype page 127 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004)
Unknown knife maker (blade 6"). All-leather oil finish scabbard by G. Schultz
Source material: Photo of similar original Sheffield knife with three-pinned bone slab handle on page 90 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004). Examples of raised-blade scabbard shown in circa 1879 ferrotype page 119 The Peacemakers: Arms and Adventure in the American West by R. Wilson (1992), shown in an 1880s ferrotype or albumen print page 186 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend by N. Flayderman (2004), and shown in an 1887 ferrotype or albumen print photograph page 167 Packing Iron: Gunleathers of the Old West by R. Rattenbury (1993)
Knife & scabbard maker: CAS Iberia ‘Historical Bowies Collection’ (top blade 8 3/4", bottom blade 7 1/2”)
Top repro patterned on knife by A. Hunter of Newark, New Jersey, an original specimen of this knife is captured in an ACW era ferrotype stuck in the belt of a Federal officer on page 327 The Bowie Knife: Unsheathing an American Legend, by of Flayderman. Bottom repro patterned on c1840s knife by B. Pradel of New Orleans, Louisiana