I just loaded 28.5 grains by wieght, of cartridge goex...darn sweet, I been shooting alot of black, muzzle loaders and sharps, and 1858 remy,but I swear the more I shoot black the more I love this stuff....this time I come back 15 paces, (long steps), and got all the rounds in the black, and they were spread out, so my left pull is better already..I think that was about a 9 inch black on the target.