Colt, You might want to try the BPCR forum on that question also. I read a post in the past few weeks somewhere on that very thing. I sent in a application for a membership on the Shiloh Forum over 6 weeks ago and noone ever responded. I guess that being that I'm not a regestered owner of a Shiloh has something to do with it. I saw a friend of mine on there and I know for fact that he owns the same as me and that is Pedersoli.