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The Darksider's Den / Re: What revolvers, rifle and shotgun do you use in matches?
« Last post by Griff on Today at 03:27:16 AM »
Mako, no, the question is inane.  I don't make it habit of listing my guns on a public forum.   Who cares what others shoot?    It's often a matter of what a person can afford, likes, has available to them or appeals to their sense of history, or any number of subjective reasons.  As a matter of fact, I do shoot percussion pistols, 36 caliber ones to be not quite specific.  Been shooting one of them since before there was a Frontiersman category in SASS, back when all we used was a single pistol..., well, before there was a Frontier Cartridge category, in fact.  So I've shot in the rain with percussion pistols many, many times.  I shoot a 45 Colt rifle, which specific one is a matter of whim on any given day... I shoot a side-by-side shotgun, 12 gauge, and again, which specific model is often a mystery, even to me, (although my current choices are down by one, it being in the shop for repairs), so it's either a hammerless with 20" or 26" bbls, or maybe the 26" or 28" hammered. 
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The Darksider's Den / Re: What revolvers, rifle and shotgun do you use in matches?
« Last post by hellgate on Today at 12:05:31 AM »
My answers in [brackets}
Do you have different choices for different matches? [I shoot my Uberti Millenium 1863 NMAs for "serious" matches and 10+ other pistols for the monthlies. I also shoot less than perfect home cast bullets at the monthlies]

Do you have wet weather guns? [yes. A pair of suppository shooters (pistols that load from the rear) called Uberti Hombres in .357 cal and a stainless Rossi '92]  Especially those who shoot loose powder pistolas. [I almost always shoot Frontiersman but have stooped to shooting suppositories due to the dearth of caps]

Do you shoot the same calibers all of the time, or switch them up for grins or just to not get stale? [ I shoot mostly 44s in the C&Bs but occasionally switch it up and shoot 36s]
 
If you had your choice, within reason, and money wasn't an issue what would you shoot?  I don't mean wishing for original 19th century versions of everything... [Maybe stainless 4 or 6 inch Uberti Remington NMAs and a Henry rifle]

If you shoot a substitute powder is it because of availability, local laws or you just like the way it works and eliminate the "hassle" of BP? [ I will shoot anything that smokes in the shotgun: BP, Pyrodex, APP, Black MZ, 777, etc. In the C&Bs only 3F BP. In the rifle (357mag) I have settled on 3f 777 after trying everything from Black Canyon (you old timers might remember that one as well as...), Black Mag3, Clear Shot, Clean Shot, APP, BLack MZ, Pyrodex, & BP. I would likely be shooting just BP in the Rossis if the Snakebite bullet would have fed reliably in my rifles. All of the subs shot more accurately with little fouling using the Lyman RNFB 158gr bullet which feeds very well. I cast, size and lube all my cartridge bullets with 50/50 deer tallow and beeswax.]
Do you ever shoot smokless at some matches? [NEVER!]
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The Darksider's Den / Re: What revolvers, rifle and shotgun do you use in matches?
« Last post by Mako on Today at 12:01:33 AM »
Griff,
Your answers are inane. 

It's not "trivia"..  Do you shoot Rugers, Colts, USFAs, Ubertis, whatever?  What caliber?  I am assuming you shoot a Uberti made '73 in 44 WCF.  You've made no reference to what scattergun you shoot.

And, since you don't have wet weather guns I can pretty much guess that you don't shoot loose powder percussion revolvers.  Capped and holstered they are fine, before the loading table where they are capped I have tried plastic bag covers with mixed results.  The real problem is loading powder under an umbrella or poncho and keeping the cones dry.  A lot of clubs won't allow you to retreat to a truck or even a covered pavilion that is not actually on the range line.  I don't blame them, it is a range officer's nightmare to have people handling firearms off of the line and behind everyone.

If you don't want to tell us that is fine, you don't have to participate.  But, we have no idea what your categories and inventory is.  I don't think the gun snatchers are worried about your cowboy guns to the point they will hunt us down for our 19th century "assault weapons". 

 :D Mako
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 11:43:17 PM »
Quote from: Griff on Yesterday at 04:52:51 PM
All y'all,,, and chemicals... although plastic bags can be right handy when it's rainin'! :D

  • I don't know...I'll bet several of us are older and have been shooting BP longer than you have.  There are some pretty old codgers on this forum...
  • The first handgun I ever fired was an original 1860 manufactured in 1861 (family gun).  I have fond memories of that.  I had just finished the 2nd grade, we cast balls for it in the back yard over a "camp fire", used a can of who knows how old Dupont FFFg powder (i still have the can and some of the powder) only the caps were new. The old caps we had wouldn't fire, we had to go to the hardware store to get some new caps.
  • I was hunting with a '73 in 44 WCF manufactured in 1886 (family gun) when I was 17 (I remember because I killed deer with it that year).   The second handgun I ever fired is a SAA in .45 Colt manufactured in 1896 (I was 10).
  • I still have all of those guns along with four family model 94s (Pre-war 20" saddle Ring carbines made in the '20s except for mine which made in the '50s)  stamped 30 WCF (mine is the only one that is marked .30-30)
  • I only shot vintage and antique guns until I was in college.  I only shot a pump shotgun or automatic a few times on the ranch (ranch guns, not mine), I have the original 30" double barreled cheap Belgian shotgun every hardware store sold that belonged to my great grandfather, and I shot that until I was 18 and bought myself a Rem 870.  I'm not boasting but, when were your revolvers and rifle manufactured and when did you start shooting them?  Who are you call'n a Newbie?
And what chemicals are you talking about?  Are you talking about Ballistol, or water?

Just phun'n you...

~Mako
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Bird Cage Theatre ( Videos ) / Collapsing Categories Impact Review: The Results May Surprise You
« Last post by PopcornKelly on Yesterday at 09:21:25 PM »
In this video Popcorn Kelly models the impact collapsing categories would have had on two matches, the first a 140-shooter match and the second a 70-shooter match based on SASS guidelines of collapsing unprotected categories with less than three shooters in them. it may not have the impact some think it does. It is important to understand that these results described here may not translate to other clubs or matches. Each club needs to do what is best for them and their members.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Reloader 7 in .44-40
« Last post by Griff on Yesterday at 07:12:23 PM »
I'd save it for my .30-30.  Don't have a .30-30?  Good excuse to get one!
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Round nosed bullets in a tubular magazine?
« Last post by Griff on Yesterday at 07:08:59 PM »
Quote from: Gabriel Law on August 04, 2023, 12:58:09 PM
Round nose bullets in a tubular magazine:  can a person get away with it, or is there likely to be a detonation?
With all due respect to previous answers...  As one who has successfully used a particular round nose bullet in a .38 special loading in CAS since about 1985, I'll say it depends:

1) on the hardness of the bullet;
2) how "round" the nose is, which can vary greatly;
and 3) velocity.

You also have to recognize that bullets in rimmed cartridges don't sit flat in the magazine, so even a flat nose can have a corner in contact with the primer.  It is inertia that will set off primer, exacerbated by the weight of the column of cartridges in the magazine, how many times a particular primer is struck before it collapses the onto the anvil, which can be dependent also on the hardness of the primer. 
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Closest Substitute for Unique
« Last post by Griff on Yesterday at 06:50:37 PM »
Accurate 5744.  My version of QuickLOAD shows that 11 grains of Unique with a 300 grain bullet out of a 22" bbl is going 1174fps @ 10,662psi.  22 grains of 5744 in the same combo will push that bullet 1176fps, but at a reduced pressure of 8,004psi.  Your trajectory for other distances will be off due to the lower pressure... but... surely there's no better excuse to get out to the range and shoot more!  Of course, you could always take Coffinmaker's excellent advise!  ::)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Which rifle for BP?
« Last post by Griff on Yesterday at 04:52:51 PM »
Quote from: Mako on May 12, 2024, 08:36:38 PM
Who are the newbies and what are the new ideas?

~Mako
All y'all,,, and chemicals... although plastic bags can be right handy when it's rainin'! :D
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The Darksider's Den / Re: What revolvers, rifle and shotgun do you use in matches?
« Last post by Griff on Yesterday at 04:25:30 PM »
Quote from: Mako on Yesterday at 01:38:01 PM
We all know that we are shooters of the Holy Black (or some artificial analog thereof...) But what are your normal Match guns?  First of all list them, (Meaningless trivia) or your primaries and then look at the additional questions.

  • Do you have different choices for different matches? 
NO, choices are based on what category
  • Do you have wet weather guns?  Especially those who shoot loose powder pistolas. 
They're all ALL weather guns, stee; doesn't get diluted when wet, wood should be protected
  • Do you shoot the same calibers all of the time, or switch them up for grins or just to not get stale?   
Again, category & my inventory, (pre-oating accident) dictate
  • If you had your choice, within reason, and money wasn't an issue what would you shoot?  I don't mean wishing for original 19th century versions of everything... 
Hmmm... what I have?
  • If you shoot a substitute powder is it because of availability, local laws or you just like the way it works and eliminate the "hassle" of BP? 
What hassle?
  • Do you ever shoot smokless at some matches? And if you do:
    • It's because I am having trouble getting powder, caps, (fill in the item)
    (Yes)
    • I just want the change up
    • I'm lazy...
     
  • Add anything else you would like to contribute. 
Because I CAN!  Or I won't have time to clean properly
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I ask because I have "known" some of you for 17 years (longer for others) and I still don't know what we all shoot.  Even moss backs like Coffinmaker(onewurd) surprise me because they shoot brass shotgun shells yet they shoot APP or 777.  No judgement, just curious. I have resorted to substitutes when I had to fly or was in a location where I couldn't get BP.  I don't judge when someone has gone to the trouble of not shooting smokiless powder.

~Mako
BTW, Coffinmaker is a relative "newbie!   ;D ;D
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