Author Topic: Could this have been the first Tactical rifle (Read 13828 times)

Paladin UK · « **on:** January 21, 2008, 01:42:53 PM »

Somethin a bit different.. Could this have been the first Tactical rifle

Saw this little beaut of a #92 from what I can remember she wuz hatched in `bout 1904, a 12in barrel in 44-40!!

Have an pards seen anything like this being used in a CAS comp??

Paladin (Whats gotsta know

) UK

Pettifogger · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2008, 02:31:14 PM »

SASS rules do not allow rifles with shorter than 16" barrels or shotguns with barrels shorter than 18". These are the minimums under U.S. Federal law and the states are bound by these miniumums. There are some exceptions for antiques and collector guns such as the one in your picture that are listed as curios and relics. To avoid any problems, since most people shoot modern made reproductions, SASS just goes with the minimums for modern guns. I wonder how many rounds that little beauty holds? Six or seven?

Dick Dastardly · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2008, 02:52:41 PM »

Looks like a reload on the clock gun to me. I'm thinkn' it was a trapper prototype maybe?

DD-DLoS

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Wills Point Pete · « **Reply #3 on:** January 22, 2008, 11:11:40 PM »

Paladin, I carried a Marlin 1894C in the trunk of my patrol car for the last half of my career. So, yes, those short, handy carbines were, and still can be, a tactical rifle. The longer barrel and no barrel/cylinder gap gave that carbine the same velocity at a hundred yards as my revolver had at the muzzle. Since I worked a rural county I liked having that extra range. I had the shotgun up front and the carbine for if we had something over yonder. I was lucky enough that I just had to pop some injured critters and a couple of critters that were rabid.
There is something about being able to stand out of handgun range with a carbine that encourages bad guys to give up and take their chances with the judge.

Dick Dastardly · « **Reply #4 on:** January 23, 2008, 07:42:49 AM »

I hear ya Pete. But it's too bad that hard working cops have to bring in bad guys only to have 'em judges put 'em back on the street quicker than the cop can get his paperwork done. I'd have made a poor cop cuz I'd probably have just shot some of the worst ones.

DD-DLoS

sundance44`s · « **Reply #5 on:** January 23, 2008, 11:05:07 AM »

We all have a little dirty Harry in us ..

Paladin UK · « **Reply #6 on:** January 23, 2008, 01:09:23 PM »

Fer DD.............

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I'd have made a poor cop cuz I'd probably have just shot some of the worst ones.

Awww shucks pard!! ya just cant stop yer sensitive side showing through can ya!!

Paladin (Whats kinda sensitive too

) UK

44caliberkid · « **Reply #7 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:19:58 PM »

I'd call the first tactical rifle the 44 Evans in carbine length. It held 28 rounds in 44 Evans Long and 32 in 44 Evans Short. Had a rotary magazine in the buttstock. I have one but have never crafted ammo for it, but it would be cool to shoot three stages without reloading. (I know, ya can't leave the line with ammo in the gun). (Just thought I'd beat you knitpickers to it!)

litl rooster · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2008, 05:05:08 AM »

PUK, how many rounds would that little Beut' hold? 6?

Arcey · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2008, 09:53:24 AM »

Looks like Johnny Yuma’d only half finished whittlin’ on it……….

Grapeshot · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2008, 12:58:32 PM »

Quote from: Paladin UK on January 21, 2008, 01:42:53 PM

Somethin a bit different.. Could this have been the first Tactical rifle

Saw this little beaut of a #92 from what I can remember she wuz hatched in `bout 1904, a 12in barrel in 44-40!!

Have an pards seen anything like this being used in a CAS comp??

Paladin (Whats gotsta know ) UK

NO! The first tactical rifle would have been the "Fergusson" Rifle. A modified Brown Bess with a threaded plug that lowered itself by turniong the trigger guard to allow ball and powder to be loaded into the breech. I'd expect an Englishmen to know that.

litl rooster · « **Reply #11 on:** January 27, 2008, 04:59:22 AM »

Quote from: Arcey on January 26, 2008, 09:53:24 AM

Looks like Johnny Yuma’d only half finished whittlin’ on it……….

I didn't believe enny one remembered that show

Paladin UK · « **Reply #12 on:** January 27, 2008, 01:24:51 PM »

Saw a clip of Stagecoach yesterday with a Very Young John Wayne, and I swear he wuz leanin on the coach drivers shoulder shootin a Very similar carbine

Can any other pards add to this

Paladin (Whats gotsta know

) UK

fourfingersofdeath · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2008, 03:17:51 AM »

Didn't they sell 12" Bbl'd Winchesters to the Canuks for walking about in the deep snow on traplines, etc. That's what I've always been led to believe. Don't know if it's true or not. It might have been a cop or sherrif's car rifle.

River City John · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2008, 09:05:11 AM »

Looks like a candidate for Viagra.

Paladin UK · « **Reply #15 on:** March 18, 2008, 02:57:32 PM »

Howz about these...

Posted on wildwestguns!!

They aint `period correct` but.. Boy!! are they Boootiful!!

Paladin (Whats gonna get his hacksaw out!!

) UK

Steel Horse Bailey · « **Reply #16 on:** March 22, 2008, 11:57:43 AM »

Quote from: litl rooster on January 27, 2008, 04:59:22 AM

I didn't believe enny one remembered that show

I remember Johnny Yuma's show! Fondly. STILL bugs me when I think of them breakin' his saber. (Or was that ... CRS again)

But weren't it Steve McQueen with the whittled down rifle?

By the by - I met the feller who makes those Mare's Laig rifles at a gun show last weekend. While they are, IMHO, nearly useless for practical reasons, it's a cool "toy" and a VERY well-made gun. Hold on to yer wallet, 'tho - the BUDGET model was around $1500 and the one with beautiful color-case was nearly $2K !

Deadeye Dick · « **Reply #17 on:** March 22, 2008, 01:01:48 PM »

SHB,
Johnny Yuma's name was Nick Adams.
Deadeye Dick

River City John · « **Reply #18 on:** March 22, 2008, 01:08:21 PM »

"WANTED: Dead or Alive!" was the Steve McQueen show, and yes, he had the cut down Winchester.

Did Nick Adams have a sawed off shotgun on "The Rebel"?

Steel Horse Bailey · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2008, 01:10:07 PM »

Quote from: Deadeye Dick on March 22, 2008, 01:01:48 PM

SHB,
Johnny Yuma's name was Nick Adams.
Deadeye Dick

Yep - the actor was Nick A.

Johnny Yuma ... was a Rebel ... he wandered alone. and so on (with apologies to whomever wrote and/or performed the theme song ...

But wasn't it Steve McQueen in a different show (Branded, perhaps?) who had the shortened rifle?

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