Author Topic: 1860 Henry Transition (Read 51265 times)

tommy4toes · « **Reply #40 on:** June 10, 2015, 07:47:45 AM »

Coffinmaker-

What would you do with the "lip" that retains the forend on the '66 / '73? Just curious.
tommy4toes

tommy4toes · « **Reply #41 on:** June 10, 2015, 01:23:52 PM »

heres another shot on the bench

Fox Creek Kid · « **Reply #42 on:** June 10, 2015, 03:36:53 PM »

Man, this rifle will be beyond cool when done!!

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tommy4toes · « **Reply #43 on:** June 10, 2015, 09:37:35 PM »

totally "beyond cool" !!!!!

Mike · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2015, 12:30:12 AM »

Are you useing a 66 gate or have you got a flat gate for it.
I have two guns on my would like to make now the fist is the flat side and the second is copy the Uberti transitional but yet to see an origanal like the uberti gate.
There are three if you count a first modle 73, this one may be just a dream.

Just sen you are using the flat gate, would like to se that up close.

Mike · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2015, 04:43:32 PM »

Did some more digging re the King Patent and it seems the one Uberti copied may never of been produced in numbers. With what i now know if i were Uberti i would make the more common Henry/66 tranision, henry frame, either henry barrel or round with seperate mag tube, flat gate.
These may of sold better than the one they did.
I would still buy the Uberti gun just to have one.

Blair · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:08:44 PM »

Mike,

This is/was my reason for choosing the M-1866 type II transitional.
I could do this alteration with the basic type IV M-1866 Rifle.
It would give me a '66 Rifle with a Henry receiver type profile.
My best,
Blair

Mike · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:20:05 PM »

Blair.
I have been trying to find pictures of the just the gate and rear of the side plate for this model. Do you have a picture, i want to see how the second screw works and how the gate is profiled on the back.
i have been told if i want a Uberti Transitional one will be here in October/ November.
i have a steel frame on order already.

Blair · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2015, 06:43:20 PM »

Mike,

I used "The Winchester Book" by Madis to get my information.
It is not an easy book to find, and may also be very expensive if you can find it at all.
The one image I seem to be able to post of the type II is of the one I built. I have no idea why that is?
Due to the rarity of this book, I am not sure I should be trying to copy images from it, even if I could post them here.
I hope you understand?
My best,
Blair

Fox Creek Kid · « **Reply #49 on:** June 11, 2015, 07:58:46 PM »

Quote from: Blair on June 11, 2015, 06:43:20 PM

...I am not sure I should be trying to copy images from it, even if I could post them here...

He's dead.

http://www.rarewinchesters.com/george-madis.shtml

Blair · « **Reply #50 on:** June 11, 2015, 08:23:48 PM »

Fall Creek Kid,

Death of the author does not mean an end to the copy write of his published works.
Do you have a copy of the book? If so, then publish any copies of images you feel ok with.
My best,
Blair

Mike · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2015, 09:59:47 PM »

Blair
i respect your wishes, i know some one with the book, thanks kindly.

Coffinmaker · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2015, 10:31:57 PM »

Tommy4,
Milled it off to give a nice flat surface and be able to "turn" the Henry pattern barrel onto the action. Then cut a "slot" into the frame so the cut off follower/thumb button up could still act as a stop for the follower. I regret that I never bothered to take pictures of some of the work I did. Pictures never seemed important to the project at the time.

Coffinmaker

Coffinmaker · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2015, 10:39:05 PM »

Mike,
Your correct. The actual first version of the Kings Patent was never really put into series production before the folks at Winchester decided there had to be a better way.
There had to be a better way than the flat gates too. That's how we got the "scoops" that are actually called ladles. The ladle on Uberti's '66s aren't correct either. Way shallow. A study of the pictures available of the original '66s as well as some of the Transitional Henry rifles show a much pronounced and deeper ladle. The more correct ladle is produced as an after-market replacement for the crap OEM Uberti ladle. The better ladle is available from VTI Gunparts.

Coffinmaker

Mike · « **Reply #54 on:** June 12, 2015, 12:54:50 AM »

Thanks, would order the gates but the postage NZ would be expensive I think, will have to wait till i need a few more parts.
will keep looking for donner guns to work on, they are hard to find here and are in demand by Wild bunch shooters who only have 38 match guns.
Thanks

tommy4toes · « **Reply #55 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:04:30 AM »

My Henry sideplate is being milled for the stock '66 gate. Once its functional, I'll retrofit the flat gate. That's made from 0.050" annealed spring stock.

tommy4toes

Mike · « **Reply #56 on:** June 12, 2015, 02:42:09 PM »

This thread has got me looking hard to find a donner Henry to build a new gun. Sold all my SAA and surplus BP revolvers to get the Steel frame
so gust need to fund the donner. Sold one which i repaired as the toggle pin holes in the frame were worn . I know were it is so may try and get it back.
This has been an interesting thread and hope more no standed guns turn up at the range.

tommy4toes · « **Reply #57 on:** June 12, 2015, 06:49:13 PM »

Those aftermarket '66 ladles are also available through Track of the Wolf - USA made, too. Quite a bit cheaper, $16.99 +. Have one on my '66, much easier to load with
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/PartDetail.aspx/499/1/WIN-66-GATE-A-L

tommy4toes · « **Reply #58 on:** June 12, 2015, 06:56:01 PM »

Speaking of "correct" '66 parts, Homestead has the carbine rear barrel sight:

http://homesteadparts.com/shopcart/pid_1920.htm

If anyone finds an original Henry sight or repro, please PM me? Thanks!!!

tommy4toes

Fox Creek Kid · « **Reply #59 on:** June 12, 2015, 09:09:54 PM »

Quote from: Blair on June 11, 2015, 08:23:48 PM

Fall Creek Kid,

Death of the author does not mean an end to the copy write of his published works.
Do you have a copy of the book? If so, then publish any copies of images you feel ok with.
My best,
Blair

I had it years ago & sold it. I like the Houze book better.

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