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1866 octagon barrel tapers
« on: December 19, 2020, 01:25:08 PM »
An area library has a copy of Madis' The Winchester Book, and in it is a picture of an 1866 I find particularly handsome, s/n 121,902. The magazine tube does not come through the forend cap, and he says with this style, the barrel was given a more rapid taper than those with full magazines.

Has anyone come across the dimensions of the standard and finer tapers for octagon barrels on the 1866? Thanks.
Karl

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2020, 07:14:38 AM »
KWK you may try asking that question on the Winchester Collectors Forum . A lot of knowledge there .,,,DT

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2020, 10:22:47 AM »

 :)  PLUS ONE for Dusty Texian   ;)

I must admit to being completely ignorant of a separate barrel dimension for any limited production Winchester Octagonal barrel.  Not to say "never never" as Winchester did provide almost anything you could want on special order.

My best suggestion would be to ask around on the Winchester Collectors forums as well.

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2020, 08:21:31 PM »
Thanks gents. I did ask there a few days ago but appear to have stumped the experts. I'd hoped in some other book or article Madis might have listed dimensions.

No big deal. I have, of course, been thinking about rebarreling an Uberti to try to recreate that rifle. The forend cap would be a pill, though, for it would have to be hogged out of a block.
Karl

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2020, 10:10:52 PM »
I looked for my Pirkle book when I went home this weekend, but couldn't find it.  :-[   Sorry.
It has lots of dimensions.  Some other folks here have that one, perhaps somebody can look.

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2020, 05:37:21 AM »
I looked in the Pirkle book and did not find  taper dimensions listed for the 66 . He does list taper dimensions for the 73 and does list a rapid taper as an option . This is only a guess , my thoughts are they were still building 1866 Models while building 1873 Models so my guess would be if they could or would build a rapid taper in a 73 they could do the same for a 66 . I have not studied the 66 or 73 much so I could be way off . Hope this helps .  ,,,DT

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2020, 08:08:21 PM »
Thank you, dusty texan. I've been curious about what's in Pirkle's books, and since Amazon only wants $6 for the Kindle version, I've bought a copy of the first volume. I see he does have dimensions for the early '73, and I suspect Winchester would have used the same barrel contours in the '66 from the same years. Interestingly, Pirkle doesn't show the forend cap on that rifle pictured in Madis' book.

late edit: Doh! I see in the text near the end of the 1866 chapter Madis describes the barrel tapers. The numbers don't quite match those in Pirkle, but it's enough to work from. Also, using the high resolution photos provided by "Winchester" of their 1866 from Miroku, it's clear they are using a much more rapid taper with these than with the originals. Uberti is closer to the originals, but I like the balance of the Miroku I handled last year.
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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2020, 08:02:17 AM »
Your gonna enjoy that book , I know I do . I looked at the 1866 rifle you mentioned in the Madis book , very nice rifle . The forend cap does look  different than others . If I were to try and duplicate it , I would start with a standard and plug the Magazine tube hole with brass and braze the whole thing up . If you do that project I hope you keep us posted .   ,,,,,DT

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Re: 1866 octagon barrel tapers
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2020, 03:13:39 PM »
That rifle has been on my mind for some time. I've long admired the '66 as The Original, but I consider the 1894 Marlin the final word in such rifles. I'd planned to have a custom '94 made up, but the supply of those has dried up around here. So, I'm reconsidering doing the '66 instead.

Madis and Pirkle both note Winchester usually did what you suggest, just plug the hole in the standard nose cap, but I really like the shape of that odd one shown by Madis. One thought I had was to dispense with the nose cap. The earliest '66 didn't use one, and I could just shape the forend to match the contour of the one I like in Madis. There was no such original, but an Uberti isn't an original anyway.

I haven't committed to either project as yet. I will promise to show it off if I do go with the '66. Thanks again.
Karl

 

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