Feeding Issuses

Started by Bittertrigger, September 05, 2014, 10:31:23 AM

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Bittertrigger

I am sure that this has been address before but not finding it anywhere
I have a Uberti 1873 Carbine in 44-40 the rifle is short stroke
I was at my monthly match, I would have one round (on one stage 4) that would jam against something and push the bullet deeper into the case and fail to feed
I am using Lyman 205gr 427666 bullet Mold
any Ideas would help thank you  

Abilene

Bullets push deeper into the case for generally one of two reasons.  Case has a cracked mouth or lack of crimp.  This is less likely with BP ammo because the case is full of powder and/or wad/filler so the bullet can not push deeper.  With your loaded ammo, if you have sufficient crimp, you should not be able to twist the bullet in the case and pushing the bullet end of the round against a hard object should not push the bullet deeper into the case.  If your bullets are .427 then perhaps you are over-expanding the mouth.  Some dies are setup for .429 bullets. 
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Pettifogger

Quote from: Bittertrigger on September 05, 2014, 10:31:23 AM
I am sure that this has been address before but not finding it anywhere
I have a Uberti 1873 Carbine in 44-40 the rifle is short stroke
I was at my monthly match, I would have one round (on one stage 4) that would jam against something and push the bullet deeper into the case and fail to feed
I am using Lyman 205gr 427666 bullet Mold
any Ideas would help thank you  

Think about that for a second.  When you put rounds into the magazine tube what is the bullet doing?  It is pushing on the round in front of it.  So the something in most cases are the other cartridges in the mag tube.  As Abilene said, look at your cases for cracks, proper sizing, proper bullet diameter and proper crimping.

Bittertrigger

No cracks in the cases I did look for that issues at the range that day
and I do check after I clean the brass
I could be over expanding the cases a little I will have to check the expander die.
as for the crimp I afraid to crimp them any tighter
I am also going to look into a mold with a crimping grove and see if that helps.
Thank you for your help.

Blackfoot

Since you didn't find anything obvious to be the culprit my bet is that a bullet with a crimp groove will solve the problem.

Lafitte

Abilene

Don't know how hard the lead is that you are casting, but softer will help let the case mouth dig in a little better if crimping without a crimp groove.  The way to know if you are over crimping is that the round will be hard to chamber due to bulging at the crimp.
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Bittertrigger

Checked the expander and it measured .427
I am using stock from Roto metal they claim that is the same as lyman #2 lead
As far as bulging the case on crimping I did not see any (don't mean I miss any)  i always check each round after I load up ten
I know it takes a little longer but I don't want to screw things up 
I will try a mold with the crimp grove and see if that will make a difference and let you know
Thank you

Pettifogger

Before you waste money, time and effort buying and casting bullets why don't you guy a few different styles and bullet weights and diameters and try them out.  .44-40 can be very frustrating until you get a load combination that works well in YOUR rifle.  Once you find that combo stick to it.

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