New Darksider

[Evil One]

Evenin all,
I was ushered over here and told I may fit in with the lovers of the dark powder.
I am pushin .454 balls over 30 grains of pyrodex in pellet form in my '58 remingtons.
I am new to the sport of CAS and so far am practicing on my own.
By myself... with a group of pards... its all good as long as I am rolling smoke and throwing fire.

Happy to be here.


Evil

[hellgate]

Hey, welcome to the flock. I tried the 30gr Pyro pellets and had delayed ignition (smaller flash holes on SS replacement nipples as a possible cause) so I went back to 5Fa (FFFg equivalent blasting powder). Love my 6 Remingtons!.

[Max Doolin]

Evil, learn and learn some more............you will be inlightened. If you can get some Goex or swiss try it......

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[Evil One]

I will be tryin anything I can get my hands on.
As long as I leave with all my fingers... a bad day shootin is 10 times better than a good day at work.
I have been a cartridge/semi-auto shoter all my life, I just finally saw the light...
Thru a big cloud of smoke.


Jim

[Buffalow Red]

i shot those pellets & pirodex for 14years once i tryed Goex i will never go back
goex has no delayed ignition, it does not collect moister like pirodex, my pistols have set uncleaned for 3 days after goex with no rust i have left my 58 remys loaded for over a month & still goes off fine
once you go holy black you never go back

[Noz]

Welcome to the fire.
You have chosen the best place to learn about the chosen propellant. Recommend you go to the Dark Arts "child board" above and rread from end to end. It will answer a lot of your questions, some you don't even know you have.
Black is prefered, subs(when cheap) will do. Walmart sold Pyrodex for $7 and 777 for $11 this winter.
Try to get away from the pellets. 1. Expense, 2. You don't need 30 grains for this game, 3. Lack of versatility.
I liked around 22-25 grains of FFg GOEX in my Remingtons.
My 1860 Armys like 23 grs.
You want enough "boom" to satisfy but not enough to blow the caps off of the nipples and down into the lockwork.
Again ask your questions, someone here can answer them.

By the way, Buffalow Red ain't near as cool as he looks in his avatar.

(Red, Coot Shoot Wednesday!!!!)

[Wolfgang]

WELCOME to the "DARK SIDE". . . where the lead is pushed out the barrel with the "REAL POWDER". . .    I used Pyrodex for a month or so as it was the only stuff available.  Then I got ahold of a pound of Goex.  Used up the rest of the pyrodex in 12 ga. shells.  More of my stuff at  www.drburkholter.com/cf5.html.

Good shootin', . . .  

ps.  Are ya a SCORRS member yet ?

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Hey, Evil Guy - you don't sound evil at all!  Just a good ol' Darksider!
Welcome and glad to have ya join us!   We'll do our best to bore you with our experiences (speaking for myself ONLY  ) or help with any questions you may have.  SOMEONE here will probably know of an answer - and it's usually a right answer!

The only real complaint I have of Pyrodex pellets is the price, and that can't be helped.  Yes, Pyrodex IS harder to ignite, that's why CCI (one reason, anyway) made their Magnum caps, but I had this solution.

I recently became the proud owner of a Colt 1st mod. Dragoon. (2nd Gen)  A you may know, the Dragoon cylinder was designed to handle 50 grain charges, down from the 60 grains that a Walker would hold - and had trouble with.  I don't want to get into the discussion with everyone why they don't think I should use this big charge - I KNOW it isn't needed for CAS nor is it all that good to feed this monster a steady diet of BIG, heavy charges.  I DID, however want to try it out at full blast, just to get the feel of the original experience.

I had maybe 20-30 Pyro. pellets left over from my only purchase of them about 10 years ago.  I have a brass spout that is sized to throw a 20 gr. charge of loose powder.  It throws a MEASURED charge of about 17.5 - 18 grs. depending on the type, granulation, lot, and make of loose powder.  I simply threw a spout full of loose powder then put a Pyrodex pellet in on top.  (By the way, it could EASILY have held 10-15 grs. MORE, had I wanted to be foolish.)  Anyway, I lit it all with some Remington caps.

BOY!  It sure was fun - and VERY accurate.  It was also the first time I ever experienced a BP C&B gun that kicked more like a gun using nitro powder - and a good amount of it, too.  I wouldn't want to speculate how much powder was actually wasted going unburnt out the barrel, but ... It didn't seem to waste ANY, but I'm sure it did.

Due to the ease of ignition of loose 3f GOEX, the Pyrodex lit off perfectly.  Since then, I have settled on a charge (volumetric) of about 45 grs. which measures a bit under 42 grs.  I use one of the adjustable Walker Flasks which were often issued with the original Dragoons, especially like mine - a 1st Model.

IF you wish to see this charge in action, here's a link to our club's inaugural shoot.  I'm the guy in the Indian War era uniform near the end of the "film clip."  http://www.cascity.com/castv.htm?bcpid=716337934&bclid=823382883&bctid=1197714975

Happy Shooting and keep yer powder dry!!

[The General]

Welcome to the Darkside.  I am getting reacquainted with the Darkside after many years away from it & feel somewhat like a newcomer myself.  I have learned a great deal on this forum in just a few short days & am really looking forward to getting back into the sport.  It's a great way to pass the time & the Darkside really does take hold of you.

Good luck to you & happy shooting.

[Evil One]

Many thanks for the friendly welcomes.
There is a few years of history in getting the Evil moniker... I will elaborate on it later
I plan on stocking up on the Holy Black... or would that be Unholy Black in my case... sure seems like Fire and Brimstone to me 
I picked up the pellets to get my feet wet, I look forward to pouring my own.
And when I get my conversion cylinders I will be loading my own cartridges with the Black.
One reason I chose the '58s was the ability for C&B and cartridge with the same hunka iron.
I got my SCORRS confirmation email this mornin while takin a break at work.

I know you can game with smaller loads... but I have this weakness...
I like the serious loads.
I am in this for the fun, I like my cartridge rifles, shotguns, pistols... to register on seismic detectors in the next county when I light em off. I like the full on 3" magnums in my mossberg, I like .300 and .375 magnums in the rifles, full boogie .44 mag rounds in a pistol make me smile... I feel like they are a good start.
I know these competitions... and especially these smokepipes dont need that...
But with a stout enough safe load the Holy Black satisfies the Demon Craving for a while.

Safe shootin y'all.


Evil

[Dick Dastardly]

Howdy Evil One, and a hearty welcome to the Darkside!!!

Shame on me for not saying so sooner.  It's a friendly gang here and we try to make all newcomers feel at home.  This is the place to ask questions and get answers.  Some good answers and some dumb ones, but you'll fine pards helpful no matter what.

Glad you found us and happy to have you here.

DD-DLoS

[Paladin UK]

Ho` EO.......

This welcome comes  at ya from the other side of the pond .... Portsmouth Hampshire in the UK.

These pards are `bout the freindliest bunch of `No Goods` you`ll ever encounter!!

Paladin (What lurvs tha Holy Black `n course Annie `O` too  ) UK

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Ho` EO.......

This welcome comes  at ya from the other side of the pond .... Portsmouth Hampshire in the UK.
These pards are `bout the friendliest bunch of `No Goods` you`ll ever encounter!!

Paladin (What lurvs tha Holy Black `n course Annie `O` too  ) UK

Hey! 

I represent that remark!
 

[Paladin UK]

Fer SHB...

                                                                       

Lurved    the Video clip. Looks  like ya`ll had a GREAT inaugural shoot.

Paladin (What proud ta be the UKs 1st Worthog ) UK

[Evil One]

 A"bunch a No Goods"...
This place just keeps sounding better all the time.

I took both '58s down today and slicked em up a touch... amazing how nice an inexpensive copy of a 150 year old design can function.
Cant wait to do some personalization on these Irons.
PUK, warms my heart to see the Old West of the US being remembered and represented on your side of the pond.

DD, I am used to doin a bit O searchin before I toss out a question... and so far every question I have thought of, somebody else has asked and got a passel of answers back on em.

SHB looks like yer havin a bitta fun with that Boomer. Lookin forward to havin my own fun with a group of pards.


Evil

[Fingers McGee]

   EO, let me add my 'Welcome to the Dark Side' sentiments.  You'll find a knowledgeable bunch here that will probably give you more information that you can process.

Fingers (Show-Me Mo smoke) McGee

PS - Noz - Coot shoot got canceled.  Hopefully the forcasted rain for next weekend wont wash out the Monthly Match.  Wish all this rain/sleet/and snow would quit I need to burn some powder.

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Fer SHB...

                                                                       
Lurved    the Video clip. Looks  like ya`ll had a GREAT inaugural shoot.

Paladin (What proud ta be the UKs 1st Worthog ) UK

Thanks, pard!

And yep, Evil 1, I DO have fun wit my "Boomer!"  So do most of the friends around me!  (I don't know if it's because of the gun or my shooting ... )       

[Noz]

  EO, let me add my 'Welcome to the Dark Side' sentiments.  You'll find a knowledgeable bunch here that will probably give you more information that you can process.

Fingers (Show-Me Mo smoke) McGee

PS - Noz - Coot shoot got canceled.  Hopefully the forcasted rain for next weekend wont wash out the Monthly Match.  Wish all this rain/sleet/and snow would quit I need to burn some powder.

I hear that!!! I haven't shot since the 9th in Arkansas and didn't do well there. I need practice to keep up. Even Monte is whimpering about not getting to shoot.