Take back the Cowboy spirit. . . . . loose the clock

[Camille Eonich]

Welcome James!

[W.T.]

The Stars are Out, Boys.

The Thundercolt's Renegades, the new fun-driven, no clock, squared-nines outfit's stars, that is:



Scan doesn't do it justice - a beautiful heavily-nickled and polished badge.  The contrasting matte-finished center "US" button is 1/16' thick.

Shoot the clock!


WT

[Silver Creek Slim]

Nice lookin' badge. 

Slim

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[W.T.]

Nice lookin' badge. 

Slim

Why, it is, ain't it?

Was very gratified to see the quality that went into this - as it should be, since Zeke intended that his new outfit stand for returning the fun and sheer quality of experience into Old West shooting.  That lamentable and unGodly incident of the young shooter in the wheelchair pressured by fellas wantin' him to stop holding the race up is infuriating and disgusting.  Nothin' 'cowboy' about it at all; more like a day at the DMV.

My thanks to Zeke, DD, and all the other folks who encourage the return to fun and courtesy.  No offense intended to anyone for whom a winning speed is important: their time on the line is their time on the line.  I just hate to think of a gang of fellas making impatient sighs and groans behind a young man looking to enjoy his own life to the fullest.

W.T.

[Doc Shapiro]

That doesn't sound like something for me.  Without the clock there's really no way to gauge self improvement.  I like to get better at the things I participate in and have a good way to find out if I'm improving.

I sincerely hope that you folks are having a blast with it! 

[Dr. Bob]

Doc,

There is something basically WRONG that if you miss real fast, you can beat the clean shooter!  I have a friend that shot a clean match and finished 3rd.  In the Old West misses could prove fatal.  I don't know you and you may shoot clean all the time.  The clock should IMHO be used to break ties among those who miss the least.  Clean match should ALWAYS beat missed targets!!

I will state that I am in CAS just for the fun.  I have no chance of winning because I will not put in the practice to be good enough.  I was a competitive rifle shooter and shot high power where you had a time limit to shoot your 10 round string.  Misses for time were sure to keep you from winning.  I was good at it and practiced many hours a week.  Not into that now. 

Have fun on the clock.  I just don't worry about it!

[Doc Shapiro]

Dr. Bob, what you are describing is a different game than what SASS, W3G, and NCOWS play.  At a SASS match, if I chose to (and I expect many many others as well), I could clean it every time.  However, that isn't the challenge.  The challenge is to shoot accurately, fast.  Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't.

Since your background is in competitive rifle, which is a bullseye game, that colors your perception of what competitive shooting should be, along with your historical outlook.  My background in shooting is very different from yours, and so that colors my perception.

We're talking about 2 different fundamental approaches to shooting.  The SASS, W3G, NCOWS approach is one that I find enjoyable.  You prefer the other.  No argument from me on that.  I really do hope that however you approach the game, you enjoy it.  Just please don't try to impose your approach on to someone else that has a different one.  That will reduce their fun factor.

We can talk about history and gunfights, but frankly, that's not the approach that I take.  If, in a real GF, I get off 4 shots before the other shooter can fire 1 aimed one, and 2 of mine find their target, I win (and this is very possible, depending on the 2 shooters).  Accuracy is final, however fast accuracy beats slow aimed fire every time.  See what you need to see to make each shot, no more, no less.

[Dr. Bob]

Doc S.,

I obviously have a different point of view.  I don't have any problem with speed.  I just don't have the inclination to work hard enough to get it.  I am quite happy being slow and having lots of fun making lots of smoke.  I am happy that there is room in CAS to shoot the style that you or anyone enjoys.  I  am not trying to impost my view on anyone, just stating my view.  Have fun!

[Doc Shapiro]

Works for me, good response!  There really are just 2 major goals for me at a match.  First, stay safe.  Second, have fun!  Everything else is secondary. 

 

[Marshal Deadwood]

It might have been Wyatt that said 'speed is fine..accuracy is fine-al.'

Marshal Deadwood

[Tensleep]

It might have been Wyatt that said 'speed is fine..accuracy is fine-al.'

Marshal Deadwood

Nope, wasn't Wyatt.

Bill Jordan said it and he was FAST!

[Doc Shapiro]

It might have been Wyatt that said 'speed is fine..accuracy is fine-al.'

Marshal Deadwood

Well, maybe.

If one person can empty their gun in a blink in the general direction of a target, then they very well might get lucky and have one of those 6 shots land on target.

In a gunfight, I'd imagine the person with greater resolve would be the one to walk out of it.  I ain't never been in one and I sure hope never to be.  But if I am, I have a lot of practice to fall back on.

[Marshal Deadwood]

I have been in a gunfight.

Being 'willing' to shoot is the greatest thing to overcome, and you only have a very short time to make up your mind.

[Black River Smith]

Marshal Deadwood,

If you aren't NCOWS, you should be.  It would be interesting to meet you.

Doc Bob's, I like your definition of fun which equates to shooting within ones limits while being involved in a sport with your fellow friends.