New 1858s

[Noz]

Loaded one for the first time. Not supposed to be shooting because of eye surgery but I can't stand not making a new gun go bang.
Question: I loaded according to the book that came with it and it looks to me that each chamber might comfortably hold 2X the recommended load of 35 grs of FFFg.
What is max? No I'm not going to blow myself up, just curious.
By the way, I just got notice from Papa Bear that I am SCORRS member #1. Feels good to be #1, even just a little while.

[Boots McCrackin]

Howdy NozzelRag: What's the make of your "58"? I'm a poet and don't know it. Do what the paperwork recomends. Bigger is not always better. I have not gone over 30 in my EuroArms 58. They say use 22grns. I tried 15 grns with 20 grns corn meal filler. Got great results on paper, but not much smoke. I'm still experimenting as I am still a tad green. here are a lot more exprenced shooters in this form than I. I'm sure they can shed more light on this subject. Enjoy. P.S. Where is Spell Check???

[sundance44`s]

Welcome to the world of cap and balls ... Euro Arms remmies are good shooters .. if your loading goex or other brand x black it`ll shoot best somewhere between 20 and 30 grs .. anything over 30 is a little hot and to get more than 35grs and a ball in it you`d have to use a 2 ft drop tube ..lol .. good Pyrodex P loads are some where between 20 and 25 grs .. Pyrodex P  is a little hotter than real black . be sure to pop some caps on those oiley cylinders before ya load it .. and do some reading on this forum and you`ll get right .. lots of good advice here . happy shooting and welcome to the dark side !

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[Joe4d]

The reccomended charge for my Ubertii 58 .44 was only 24grs, original and reproduction Remington pistol flasks come with a 24 gr spout, 35gr allready seems awful stout,

[Noz]

Piettas--
Something wrong here. My loading book from Cabela's shows 28 grs of Pyrodex P or 35 grs of Goex FFFg. The Goex (Pinnacle) load with a lubed wad leaves .355" between the face of the ball and the face of the cylinder.  A chamber, loosely filled hold 55 grs of FFFg. The recoil from this load (35grsFFFg) is non-existant when fired with #10 caps. I've checked my new pistol sized measure against a 30gr tube on an old brass flask and an old adjustable brass measure. I'm loading with an off gun cylinder loader.
Since I'm not supposed to be shooting at all I only fired six shots just to see if the gun would go bang. I did not have any thing on the backstop to see where the balls might have landed so no idea of POI or group size.

[sundance44`s]

Don`t know maybe Pietta is makeing the chamber holes different now days ... i`ve poured 40 grs of 3f into one of mine and it ran out of the chamber .. tried it only because read someone else said they could load more in their Pietta . so i poured in about 20grs then packed it down ..then poured in the rest and was able to seat the ball on 40gr.. wasn`t much room for lube on top ..and when i shot it ..felt like i was just make`in smoke with the extra powder .. even with the 8 inch barrel i don`t think it could make much use out of that much powder .. not enough barrel . Some of the colts have 9 inch barrels and they can load some massive loads .. still with a pistol barrel the laws of diminishing returns will happen rather quick .

[Noz]

Poured a chamber full. struck off the excess, poured into an old adjustable measure that I have had for years. Adjusted the measure until the powder reached the top, 55grs.
Could it be the "Pinnacle"

[waffenmacht]

I run 26 grains of FFFG in my pietta  model 1858 remington.  Using #11 remington caps, and a .451 Hornady ball, there is very little felt recoil, and I have run about 100 rds through this weapon without a single failure of any type.  I am having very good groups with this set-up, and really see no reason to go any hotter.  I think Pietta recommends between 25-30 grains, but check your manual, and I would probably follow those recomendations.
-Bruce

[Yankee John]

I shoot combustable paper cartridges in my Pietta Remington (& snubnose Colt 1860) that use 30 gr. of Pyrodex P and a .454" ball.

Makes for a very fun spunky load!

John

[Capt. Augustus]

The chamber might hold 55 grains without a ball, but the ball needs to occupy some space.  You only want 1/8 " or so compression.

[Brizco-Z]

NozzleRag,

Loaded quite a few .44's and have always come back to the load of 24 grs. of Goex FFFG (18 grs. in the 36's).  30 grs. is the max load I would use in any .44 except for the Walker and then max out at 45 grs.  These are in Uberti and Pietta only, have not had a EuroArms or Palmetto (sic) in the house in years, who made the older CVA's??.  But, 24 grs. is plenty for everyday shooting and it will make your powder last longer too.

It's is fun to kinda load em a little hotter every so often.

Brizco-Z

[Sod Buster]

But, 24 grs. is plenty for everyday shooting and it will make your powder last longer too.

Same here.

[Smokin Gun]

The Older CVA revs were ASM - Armi San Marco as far as I know.

[Sir Charles deMouton-Black]

My old Pietta NMA, assembled from a kit by someone else, wouldn't shoot until I loaded it with 28 Grains of Goex3F

[SFT]

The most accurate load I got from my Uberti 58's using pyrodex was 22 grains of FFFg.
Using Goex I found that 20 grains was plenty accurate, but I haven't been using my cap cylinders lately as I'm having too much fun with the conversion cylinder.  I won't go back to pyrodex either, it's been too much of a pain in the rear, and I'd recommend either Goex or Triple 7 to power your Remmies.

[Noz]

A can of GOEX, 1 pound, goes for $14.50 here. A plastic bottle of 777 goes for $25 and if I recall correctly it's only 10.5 ounces.
I'll go with the GOEX. Cleans up better than Pinnacle or Pyrodex.