Reloading in the New World?

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Hi,

What has happened to the reloaders in this brave new world?

Have the rules changed so much or are reloaders running into the shadows so that their name does not get on any lists?

I seem to have lost the person who did my reloading; he does not answer emails or any form of communication ...

??

[Professor Marvel]

Greetings My Good Wad -

It is most likely that your previous reloader is only suffering from the same issue we all are facing: lack of components.
If your former supplier is in the same boat as everyone else he is without the ability to purchase a case of primers or 25 lb kegs of powder (or lead bullets I would imagine) -thus he cannot offer his services...

He is simply one step higher on the foodchain than you.

God willing, this too shall pass like the last one.

yhs
prof marvel

[Whiskey Banjo]

I have to agree. I cant find ANY conponents to reload right now. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

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[Professor Marvel]

I am once more falling back on my first alternatives: air rifle and pistol for practice during the week and C&B revolvers for CAS, thus saving the large pistol primers for my .45 colt yellowboy.

Fortunately the last time I was at the toy store, I was able to obtain nearly 30 tins of #10 and 11 caps of "new old stock" that nobody else wanted. There were even some oddballs like #9 ...

Some have rather quaint "older" lables (including the now infamous "center fire percussion" .
I shall have to stretch my confuser abilities and attempt to post some photos....

If this keeps up I may be tempted to acquire a Remington Revolving Carbine for "main match rifle" - providing the locals allow it....
Or better! A repeating flintlock such as the cookson (based on the lorenzi design):

http://www.nramuseum.org/the-museum/the-galleries/the-road-to-american-liberty/case-22-the-paper-cartridge/cookson-volitional-repeating-flintlock.aspx

yhs
prof marvel

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Professor Marvel,

I just ordered my first powder ... Swiss 2 FF ... i ordered it April 19th and they said that it would be here by May 7th ... while I am hopeful, I am also praying/hoping that it will arrive here in time ... I still have to get some primers ... would a .45 Schofield take large primers?  The same as .45-70 bullets? Or will I need two separate primers ...

And as far as a main gun, if you are willing to sacrifice speed, why not one of these  ... LOOK MA: NO PRIMERS!







http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/civil-war/Maynard-gun.pdf

[Professor Marvel]

Professor Marvel,

I just ordered my first powder ... Swiss 2 FF ... i ordered it April 19th and they said that it would be here by May 7th ... while I am hopeful, I am also praying/hoping that it will arrive here in time ... I still have to get some primers ... would a .45 Schofield take large primers?  The same as .45-70 bullets? Or will I need two separate primers ...

And as far as a main gun, if you are willing to sacrifice speed, why not one of these  ... LOOK MA: NO PRIMERS!

The 45 Schofiled should take Large Pistol Primers, whereas The 45-70 takes Large Rifle Primers. The main difference is the rifle primers are a tad "hotter" and harder, in order to stand up to the usually higher pressures generated in rifles. I am not sure if Large Pistol Primers can be used in the 45-70 if BP is used ... hopefully one of the Long Range BP Rifle fellows will speak up...

Regarding Percussion Main Rifle, If one used Musket caps one might be able to reload the fired Musket caps with the corrosive powder from toy paper caps, much along the line of the Tap-o-Cap ....

yhs
prof marvel

[Blair]

Large Rifle primer pockets are a little deeper than the pocket for large pistol.
the dia. is the same but the Large Rifle primers will stand above (proud) of the head in a pistol cartridge.
Hope this helps,
  Blair

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Blair,

So using the .45 Schofield round with rifle primers could cause detonation if used in a Model 73?

TTFN

[pony express]

It would be a risk, with the high primers.

[Blair]

TTFN & pe,

Yes. you are both correct. (maybe)

[wildman1]

You can use Lg Pistol primers in 45/70 etc with BP no problems with the older rifles. WM

[WaddWatsonEllis]

WyldWylliam,

Unfortunately,my RB is a brand new Pedersolii, but I do use only BP in it ... do you think the Large Pistol Primers will still work?

[cpt dan blodgett]

There are a lot of BPCR shooters who claim the Large Pistol primer produces a more accurate and consistent load.  You should be just fine using the large pistol primers with black powder.  I am sure some where in an old post you stated the length of your barrel, if over 30 inches additional lube may be required.  I do get much better results in my 32 inch barreled sharps with the addition of a lube cookie as the bullets I have been using run out of lube in the longer barrel.  This is not a problem in the 26 inch barreled rolling block I acquired.

Although the large pistol primers are pretty much proven for use with BP, I would not use the large pistols with smokeless, they could be just fine at trapdoor level loads but why take the chance.

Somewhere around 65 grains FFg should work.  Swiss is supposed to be pretty good stuff.

Some folks even put a single layer of tissue or some other paper over the primer to moderate the primer flash.  I have not tried that yet.   

There is lots of info on the BPCR forum http://www.bpcr.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=34

[Blair]

If a Large Rifle Primer stands proud in a large pistol primer pocket...
then a large pistol primer will be "somewhat" resist in the pocket of a Large Rifle Primer pocket...
Just a thought?
Suggestion is to use the proper primers for the cartridge.
  Blair

[wildman1]

The only issue would be if your firing pin does not protrude far enough because the primer is reset into the primer pocket. There would not be an issue with the primer not setting off the powder. The easiest way to tell if it will work is to prime a case (primer only) put it in your rifle and pull the trigger. When you have done this you will know. Look at the primer and see if it has the same size dent as a rifle primer. If it went off but the dent seems relatively shallow you may want to use rifle primers. I have had NO issues using pistol primers in my original Trapdoor but then again it has a very healthy firing pin. A pistol primer is a little softer than a rifle primer so there should really be no issue. WM

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Wildman1,

We are thinking along the same lines ... I have just got to scrounge 5-10 large Rifle primers and see if they will work in my Pedersoli RB .45-70; the proof is in the pudding, so they say.

[cpt dan blodgett]

I have used both large rifle and large pistol in my Navy Arms (Pedersoli) Rolling Block and my Armi Sports Sharps no problems with rounds going boom first time every time.

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Cpt Dan,

Nice to know .... that means that I possibly have to buy only one type of primer ....

TTFN,

[pakm]

I'm loading Remington large pistol primers in my uberti spencer in .45 schofield.  they work find but i'm also getting slighly pierced primers with them.(ok, they were very cheap) right now i'm trying WW231 in my spencer with 200 and 210gr. bullets the bullet are for the leveraction rifles (RN FN bullets.)6.4 gr.s with 200 gr. bullet and 5 gr.d with the 210 gr. bullet

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Well, I mostly have gotten Schofield .45 Cal  loaded but it is nice to think that I can use the large pistol primers in my Pedersoli .45-70

So large for the Schofield pistols ...

Large again for the Schofields in my '73 Winchester (I shoot reloaded Schofield in my .45 Cal Cody Conagher 'Winchester').

Large again for my Pedersoli RB in .45-70

And none for my Maynard ... LOL  



So I think I am all set-up ....