Thnak ye kindly Dutch, think I'll do some photo retouch. Back in the 1800's you always see all the photo's of gents wearing wide brimmed 'sky pieces' with em' tipped back, maybe that was due to orders/requests of the guy runnin the camera so face shodows wouldn't happen?------ I'm a low forehead wearer of all by headpieces, whether its a widebrimmed hat or baseball cap style-same with most people I know. Alot of the pics come out with faces in shadow unless you get em to pose with the sun in right position. Hate wearing a hat/cap with it tipped back-defeats the purpose of shadin' ur' eyes, doesn't feel right either-like havin' ur' t-shirt on backwards. Will give it a try, probably be PM'in ya though if I have questions. CC