Newbie Henry Question.

Started by Halfway Creek Charlie, June 22, 2007, 04:28:03 PM

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Halfway Creek Charlie

Well my Uberti Henry is in at the gunshpop and I went and checked it out, as I cannot pick it up until Monday morning(one of the Flippen joys of CA 10 day waiting period.) I did have to go check it out per GB's 3-4 day inspection period.

Looks better than the pictures, and action works great(haven't cycled 45LC thru it yet, but I think it'll work OK.

My biggest problem being a Henry NOOB is.

How in the world do you rotate the magazine to load? I would guess that there is a release and I also guess that it is the vertical lever?? under the muzzle. For the life of me I could not get the magazine to rotate. I had the follower up and held in my left hand, but could not release and rotate the magazine.

It has been antiqued(as in most of the bluing has been removed from the bbl)(that'll be addressed soon enough, i.e. Birchwood-Casey Super Blue put on and taken off the high spots to atain the proper well used look.).  The Brass is not polished and has been allowed to start to patina(I'll not mess with the brass)not the mustard yellow yet.

BTW someone asked in the Me and My Henry Thread if this rifle had the cleaning rod port. Why yes it does and it was imported and sold by Steoger (never knew they imported them). Fit and finish(stock, wood to metal, and metal to metal) is good.

Other than me not knowing how to release the Magazine cover, the rifle does appear to be as new(one match thru it) as described. it is the civialian model with no sling swivels.

Now just wait till monday to get the baby home. BYW, IF I can figure out how to load her, I'm going straight to the indoor range and shoot her.
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litl rooster

with the tube mag up facing you, hold the follower up in the lock position and turn the whole kit n kaboddle to the left  Then place ammo in and turn it back and walk your follower back to the last round.  Trying to tell you is harder than showing you but it's the best I can do from the 'pewter
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Halfway Creek Charlie

But is there a release to let it turn??

I did what you say and the mag cover would not turn, perhaps I didn't have the follower locked? I thought you had to hold the follower in place to when the cover was turned. That might have been my problem. I didn't see a lock position for the follower, but I didn't look either. I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Thought I had the drill down. Guess not.
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2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
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1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

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Sod Buster

From Dixie Gun Works:

How do I load my Henry rifle?
On the Henry rifle, cartridges are fed into the action by the spring loaded magazine tube located under the barrel. In order to load the magazine tube, hold the gun upright with the barrel facing away from you and push the brass magazine tube follower up as far as possible. This should allow you to rotate the top portion of the magazine tube and barrel clockwise about 45 degrees. Cartridges can then be loaded into the magazine tube and the tube then rotated back into place. The most often encountered problem is in not pushing the brass follower far enough up to disengage the tube.


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Quote from: Halfway Creek Charlie on June 22, 2007, 06:16:42 PM
But is there a release to let it turn??

I did what you say and the mag cover would not turn, perhaps I didn't have the follower locked? I thought you had to hold the follower in place to when the cover was turned. That might have been my problem. I didn't see a lock position for the follower, but I didn't look either. I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Thought I had the drill down. Guess not.

No, there is no release. Make sure you have the follower compressed all the way to the muzzle.  Then hold it in place while you rotate the top-most portion of the barrel.
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litl rooster

   There from someone smarter than me............... ;D


Like I said it'd be easier to show ya, but don't have those capabilities here.
Mathew 5.9

Flint

If the follower portion of the finger spur is not clear of the top end of the magazine tube (look through the slot) the sleeve will not be able to rotate.  There is a little extra push required at the top before it is clear.  The follower and spring will stay in the sleeve until you re-align it with the magazine, then CAREFULLY lower the follower to the stack of ammo, do not let it slam!
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Halfway Creek Charlie

Thanks for all the replies.
It is evident that I didn't have enough time to fully work the Mag Cover. I was rushed for time, so I'll take a long look at it Monday before going to shoot it.

I know the "Henry Drill" not to let the follower slam down on the stack of ammo. I'm going to build a spacer stick for the mag for shooting CAS and I never load full up target shooting anyway. Just cause it'll hold them all isn't a reason to stoke her up if your're just punching paper. or cans or Creamer bottles...

I can't wait to pick her up and go shoot her. I must have 500 Once Fired 45LC brass that is all cleaned and ready to relaod, left over from when I had a 45lc Pistol or three. I even donated some to our CAS club for raffle prizes after our matches and darned if i didn't win back a bag of them Sunday....
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2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
Centennial Arms/Centaur 1860 Armies
1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

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Deadeye Don

Charlie,  You probably also know that you MUST NOT drop the ammo in vertically, but rather slid the ammo down the magazine with the rifle on just enough of a slant so it goes down.  You will love shooting it!  Safe shooting. Deadeye.
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Halfway Creek Charlie

Yep! I know to load on a slant, but obvisously  not the how to turn the Magazine cover....LOL!  I think I just didn't have the follower far enough up in the cover. I didn't realize that the follower staed up with the cover turned either. Hey I'm a Newbie at the Henry.
I've shot other original and repro Lever guns all my life.

I got an email from the seller and he said that the gun is really NEW, and he'd shot only one match with it. So it could be stiff too. But I'm sure it'll be fine just as soon as the operator learns how to manipuate it. LOL

I'll put her thru the paces Monday....Me too I figure. Really looking forward to FINALLY, after all these Years to own a Henry. I promised myself that was the one rifle I was going to get myself as a retirement gift to myself....well that didn't happen, or I quess it did just further down the road.

It will be converted to 44 Henry Flat C.F. in the near future as it's an easy conversion, and I like shooting authentic cartridges in my guns. I'm gonna let OCB lead the way and he intends to convert his in July after the National NCOWS shoot. Bernie at Old West Mould will supply the moulds for us. Maybe I can talk him into supplying bullets too???
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2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
Centennial Arms/Centaur 1860 Armies
1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

"Cut his ears off and send them to that Marshall in Sheridan" Prentice Ritter

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
.

Deadeye Don

My Uberti Henry in 45 colt was smooth right out of the box.  You may not have to do anything with it except do the conversion you talked about.  Safe shooting.  Deadeye.
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Howdy

Actually there is a catch, but it's not obvoius at first. When you run the follower all the way up to the front of the magazine there will be about 1/16" of space left in the slot in front of the follower tab. Pushing just a little bit farther compresses a second spring in the rotating portion of the false end of the barrel. It also raises the vertical bar at the front end of the rifle. Once you have shoved the follower that last bit forward, the entire false end of the barrel is free to rotate. It only goes one way, to the left if the slot is facing you. I only know this because I have my Henry in my lap right now.

By the way, here is a trick I learned someplace when loading the magazine, maybe I learned it here. With the magazine open for loading and the barrel tilted slightly, I wrap my entire left hand around the magazine up near the end of the muzzle, and I slip the cartridges into the magazine with my right hand. With my left hand wrapped around the magazine, if for some reason the follower should get away from me, my hand will prevent it from going anywhere. Yes, it does hurt if the follower smacks my hand, even if it only travels an inch. But it is better than a magazine detonation.
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I have had that follower come down all the way and hit my hand when I wasnt trying to load at the time.  It hurts alot.
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Halfway Creek Charlie

Thanks For all the help Guys,

I went to Cimarron's parts page last night and looked at the Exploded view of the Henry parts and I knew that there WAS a release. It DID have something to do with the vertical "lever" under the muzzle. I just could not figure out how to get it to release for me on my first and only time I have tried to open the false muzzle(which is a way better name than my "Magazine Cover" and more correct I'm Thinking).
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Shooting History (original), Remy NMA Conversions, 1863 New Model Pocket Model C.F. Conversion, Remy Model 1889 12Ga. Coach Gun
2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
Centennial Arms/Centaur 1860 Armies
1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

"Cut his ears off and send them to that Marshall in Sheridan" Prentice Ritter

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
.

Deadeye Don

Treating that follower with respect and loading properly will prevent that "false muzzle" from becoming a "real muzzle". ;D

As always,  safe shooting.  Deadeye.
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Halfway Creek Charlie

Ya Gots that right. Fer Sure.

"Safety first is not a slogan, but a way of life."

One more day and I get the Henry. I have 150 45LC cowboy loads ready to go...Wonder how many I'll have tomorrow evening.
Mainly I just want ti see where she prints at CAS ranges until I can get to our outdoor range.
I'm quite sure shell be able to handle CAS Ranges and the CASL long Range Pistol Cal. Rifle Targets.
The Shooter will need some work to get her to do it though. LOL
Can you use Buffalo Sticks for Pistol Cal Rifle Long Range.....LOL

I hadn't shot a Shiloh Sharps for awhile, and I got to shoot one last Sunday. I missed the 100 Yard Target, but I made it hunt cover......I could barely hold the gun up to shoot Offhand. Wow did I forget how heavy they are, especially with the big target bbl and 30 inch length. Trigger pull was a longer than I'm used too by a couple inches so that was really akward too.
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Shooting History (original), Remy NMA Conversions, 1863 New Model Pocket Model C.F. Conversion, Remy Model 1889 12Ga. Coach Gun
2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
Centennial Arms/Centaur 1860 Armies
1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

"Cut his ears off and send them to that Marshall in Sheridan" Prentice Ritter

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
.

litl rooster

Quote from: Halfway Creek Charlie on June 24, 2007, 12:57:31 PM

...Wonder how many I'll have tomorrow evening.


Can you use Buffalo Sticks for Pistol Cal Rifle Long Range.....LOL


none  if your like me ;D


I have never shot that class but made a set for mine anyways mostly for shooting Deer
Mathew 5.9

Lefty Isacs

 :o Here is what happens when the follower slips on a Henry.
Click on the pic to make it bigger
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Quote from: Lefty Isacs on June 24, 2007, 05:20:47 PM
:o Here is what happens when the follower slips on a Henry.
Click on the pic to make it bigger
I've said it before and I'll say it again.  YIKES!!!  ;D

Halfway Creek Charlie

Yes, I want to avoid that at all cost, Life, Limb, and Henry.

I have my Henry Spacer made from a Dowell and a steel pin per the pictures and dimensions of Driftwood Johnsons' Henry Spacer.
I'll test it out tomorrow morning.

I'll try to take some good pictures of the Henry tomorrow and post them tomorrow evening.
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Shooting History (original), Remy NMA Conversions, 1863 New Model Pocket Model C.F. Conversion, Remy Model 1889 12Ga. Coach Gun
2nd. Gen. "C" Series Colt 1851 Navies
Centennial Arms/Centaur 1860 Armies
1860 Civilian Henry 45LC (soon to be 44 Henry Flat C.F.(Uberti)
Remingon Creedmore Rolling Block 45-70 (Pedersoli)

"Cut his ears off and send them to that Marshall in Sheridan" Prentice Ritter

Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
.

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