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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 08:39:46 AM »
It's not recommended for BP; it is for copper fowling.
Do not use it for nickeled guns, it will eat the copper base of the plating, and the nickel will peel off.

I do however, like the distinctive smell ::)
 
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CAS City Classifieds / Re: WTB Uberti square back trigger guard
« Last post by chasb11104 on Today at 08:08:56 AM »
yes sir
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Froogal on Today at 07:47:34 AM »
I have heard that Hoppe's does not play well with black powder. Any opinions on that?
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Silver Creek Slim on Today at 07:39:32 AM »
Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are ready.

Got rained on at the conference track meet, yesterday. Started half way thru the girls 2 mile. Got 1" out of it. My hat is still wet.  ::)

Monthly systems outage at verk, today. Leaving in a bit.

'Tis 46 and sunny. High of 65 and sunny.

Slim
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Major 2 on Today at 07:12:30 AM »
 The odor is some objectionable, more so the affect my sinuous. It causes me to cough and sneeze.
Developed in 1904, it had whale oil as an ingredient, I don't think it does anymore.

In the ensuing 120 years, many more modern products have been developed, but Ballistol is still around.




     

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A terrific photo! Thanks for sharing it.

https://youtu.be/IYsEiHEfS8s?si=-hhLlFLmmrpPsQ2A
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Froogal on Today at 06:14:23 AM »
I forgot to mention, though I have done so before, but I HATE the smell of Ballistol.  I'd have to describe it as sort of a licorice.  It literally takes my breath away, so if I'm using it indoors I MUST have a fan blowing.  And it also leaves your skin soft.  :)

YES!! I agree 100% with having a fan blowing.
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CAS City Classifieds / Re: WTB Uberti square back trigger guard
« Last post by Pony Edwards on Yesterday at 09:39:19 PM »
Just want to confirm that the address that you want the part sent to is the one accompanying the PayPal payment?
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Abilene on Yesterday at 05:18:25 PM »
I forgot to mention, though I have done so before, but I HATE the smell of Ballistol.  I'd have to describe it as sort of a licorice.  It literally takes my breath away, so if I'm using it indoors I MUST have a fan blowing.  And it also leaves your skin soft.  :)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Ballistol?
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 04:12:33 PM »
I think Abilene gave one of the best uses for it, that is to hold your dirty weapons until you get a chance to clean them.  there are several characteristics to Ballistol:
  • It emulsifies in water, almost all other oils don't without a surfactant of some type.
  • This means you can mix it with water and make very generous portions of it, and as Dave pointed out some call this Moose Milk, I literally have a bath of it.  When the water dries it leaves a film of oil, but you need a lot of oil left and it is slick and not something you want to put up in that condition.
  • It also works as a secondary cleaner after you've cleaned with HOT water and soap (water is the "universal solvent" and the soap breaks up the oil).  If you dunk parts or spray them down with Moose Milk then you have an oily film on the surface and in some nooks and crannies you may not see. But I still would use another surface protectant, the Moose milk is your limited insurance policy in getting into areas you cannot easily get to.  If you had a tank of after-bluing oil dip it is basically the same thing. It holds water from the after blueing boil out and you can skim the milky partially emulsified mixture off of the surface the day after.  However I would be reticent to dip a firearm with BP fouling in a tank reserved for fine finished hot blued guns. But, if you had a dedicated one (the oils is not cheap).  I have used Diesel (dunked in a tank)  not for cleaning BP (but it works on other firearms), leaving a film, then wiped things down and used a better surface protector on the outside.
  • If I don't have access to hot water, or soap and water I have cleaned with only Moose Milk and saved the better cleaning until the next time I shoot.  I would never do this at the end of the shooting season (if you slow down in the winter), I always strip and clean and thoroughly oil before putting them up for more than a month or two.
  • It is not the best corrosion inhibitor, but you shouldn't use it as such except for limited time periods as Abilene pointed out.  I do the same thing, this gives me time to relax when I get home and clean in the next couple of days.
  • This is a video from Todd's channel "Project Farm"  I like the way he does his test matrices and he is very consistent.  He rates it as a cleaner/protector.  His other videos are pretty good as well.
  • I spray down the tubes of my shotgun at the end of the match and let them sit for ten minutes or more, then push a wad of paper towel through the bore and the melted plastic from my wads will push out like a snake skin.  I know one guy who is so lazy he sprays them, waits and then shoots smokeless loads through the shotgun to "blow" the plastic "skins" out.  I think I'll stick with a paper towel  and a big ole' 12ga Jag.
  • In the summer when it is hot, I clean, spray down with Moose Milk, set the parts or complete weapons in the sun (the parts get HOT!), wipe them down and then use a rust preventative like EEZOX (or name your own poison here) as I reassemble everything.  For lubrication I have recently switched to my Mobil 1 Synthetic Grease and Mobil 1 Synthetic Oil lube mixture I use on everything else (not BP weapons) and even use the grease alone in the trigger area, I sort of fill it up.  So far no melted grease on my hands, but it is an experiment in progress.  I used to pretty much disassemble entire guns after a match, now I only do it about three times a year.   
  • You don't have to worry about Ballistol soaking into and softening your wood like you have to be with conventional oil. And, Leather loves it 
  • A tub of VERY hot water and lots of soap will do wonders for many things including incredibly fouled M240s, M249s, M60s, M2s, M242s, any sidearm, rifle/carbine, you name it.  I've watched guys spending hours trying to clean with CLP and then provide them with a wash tub full of scalding water, Mexican Soap (Lye) and fiber brushes and they come clean.   It's getting worse now...they want environmentally friendly cleaning materials.  Then there are the disposal forms and the environmental SOPs  ::) 

Ket Shootwell, I have a question for you, did you just clean with Ballistol or try to use it as a corrosion inhibitor?  Also if you don't FULLY clean the bore (which Ballistol without water won't) you will get some superficial surface rust like you show on your patches.  Water and Ballistol or water and soap, then a thin film of a decent petroleum based oil and it won't rust.  BP is hygroscopic, it doesn't cause rust but attracts the moisture that will.  And fouling is porous and allows air and moisture in which is how we get corrosion. 

~Mako
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