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NCOWS / Re: Starline 44-40 brass available at Midway USA
« Last post by Hair Trigger Jim on May 21, 2024, 10:29:05 PM »
They're also taking backorders on .38-40 and .32-20.
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Hair Trigger Jim on May 21, 2024, 10:16:23 PM »
No naders here in Madison, but friends who farm between Columbus and David City had 7 inches of rain in one field.

I hear they got quite a bit towards Omaha as well.
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Tall Tales / Re: May we move on, for coffee and chat ?
« Last post by Delmonico on May 21, 2024, 10:14:34 PM »
Naders missed me again, wasn't even that close today, mostly over in Ioway, was one forming over Syracuse about 30 miles east of us, about 12 from the kids.  Never heard what happened with it, kids had bad hail.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: starline 44-40
« Last post by Abilene on May 21, 2024, 09:50:46 PM »
Starline taking backorders right now.  Posted this on NCOWS forum as well, but some people might not look there.
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NCOWS / Re: Starline 44-40 brass available at Midway USA
« Last post by Abilene on May 21, 2024, 09:49:25 PM »
Starline accepting backorders right now.
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NCOWS / Re: 44-40 ammunition
« Last post by Abilene on May 21, 2024, 09:48:32 PM »
Starline has been accepting backorders for 44-40 brass all day long!  As of right now, still doing it.  I just bought some NOS Winchester brass, so I didn't order any.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Abilene on May 21, 2024, 08:41:15 PM »
...45 Colt has always been and always will have a 1.6" long case. ...

... They are either surprised or continue to argue when they can't find a manufacturer that calls it "Long Colt"....

Well, 1.6" OAL, not case.  But yeah.

Armscor and Fiocchi call it "45 Long Colt".  But heck, they ain't even American, so probly got lost in translation.  :)
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by Mako on May 21, 2024, 07:02:09 PM »
There are some very true statements about the alternative cartridge the Army adopted to use in both of their service pistols in the 1880s.

The ".45 Colt Government", ".45 Government", ".45 Army", M1887 or various other names given to the cartridge that would fit both the Colt and the S&W was definitely a cartridge.  But they were all definitely not the .45 Colt. 

The .45 Colt was,  the .45 Colt; and as others have also pointed out the .45 Colt has always been and always will have a 1.6" long case.

It's interesting to look back at how people may have begun to identify the .45 Colt as the "Long Colt" to differentiate it from the shorter original .45 S&W cartridge (.45 Schofield) or the later M1887 cartridge and I believe today most people call it that out of habit and at some point in the 40s, 50s or 60s called it that because of the .45 ACP.  I have had a lot of people argue with me that it is the Long Colt and that ammunition boxes are marked that way.  They are either surprised or continue to argue when they can't find a manufacturer that calls it "Long Colt".

I tend to not even correct people anymore when they call things like magazines, clips (it really doesn't matter), but when it comes to ammunition, correct nomenclature is important, such was the case in the 1880s and it is today as well.   Rims matter, on this and other cartridges.

~Mako
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his video highlights our May Buffalo Match as well as a special NCOWS-style Cowboy match.
25 people attended the Buffalo Shoot on Saturday. 
46 shooters attended Sunday's Cowboy match:  36 shot a traditional Cowboy match along with 10 shooting the NCOWS-style match.  Several NCOWS members from around the area joined us.     
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The Darksider's Den / Re: How did we get these "Calibers"?
« Last post by FriscoCounty on May 21, 2024, 03:43:05 PM »
Regarding the misnomer 45 "Long" Colt.  There is evidence that the government developed a shorter cartridge differing from the Schoffield by having the same rim diameter as the 45 Colt.  Elmer Keith wrote "...Some newcomers to the game claim there is no such animal, but if they had shot the short variety that Remington turned out in such profusion before, during and after World War I they would see there was some basis in referring to the .45 Colt as the .45 Long..." (]Sixguns, page 285).  but, it still doesn't change the name of the 45 Colt.

The case is 1.1" long. The powder charge was black powder, approximately 28 grains. The bullet weighed right at 230 gr. and was lubed with a white chalky-looking substance. I fired one from my Ruger 7 1/2" barreled .45 and it went through the chronograph at near 750 fps.  I understand production was ceased sometime in the 1930s.

It is not "evidence" it is absolutely true.  The Frankford Arsenal stopped production of .45 Colt (250 gr bullet / 30gr BP) August 20, 1874. In early 1875 it rolled out the new compromise Berdan primed cartridge (230 gr bullet / 28 gr BP).  In 1882 it was changed to Boxer primed. The final version of the cartridge was the M1887.

Ref:
Hackley, Woodin and Scranton, “History of Modern U. S. Military Small Arms Ammunition” Volume 1
McChristian, "THe U.S. Army in the West, 1870-1880 Uniforms, Weapons, and Equipment"
Photos from “The Cartridge Collector” website
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