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Offline Forty Rod

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Lend lease program
« on: December 10, 2012, 09:45:10 AM »
Just saw this mentioned on the Aircraft thread.

Lend means you get it back.

Lease means you get paid for it and then get it back.

Did anyone we gave LL stuff to ever do either?

Just curious and too lazy to look it up myself.
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2012, 10:05:44 AM »
I am not sure either, i know there are Enfields floating around made by Savage with US Property on them, but not sure how they got back, may have been purchased as surplus.


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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2012, 10:07:34 AM »
Oh and the Lend Lease part was a scam from the beginning, it involved International Law and the fact we claimed to be neutral at the time.   ;)
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2012, 10:24:38 AM »
FDR never intended to get paid, nor have anything recovered.  The name "lend lease" was intended to slide it past a congress, and the public, that were not enthusiastic about getting into a war in Europe.
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2012, 01:03:53 PM »
Yep, he was "lending a garden hose" to his neighbor to help put out a fire ::)
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2012, 05:43:25 PM »
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on December 10, 2012, 01:03:53 PM
Yep, he was "lending a garden hose" to his neighbor to help put out a fire ::)


Obama doing the same thing with the kool aid drinkers
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2012, 05:44:12 PM »
what is the difference between the Victory models and the Lend lease?
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2012, 06:27:15 PM »
The 'Victory Model' is the parkerized S&W in .38 Special - .38 S&W to Allies.

'Lend Lease' was the program that 'lent' military supplies and equipment to the Allies - including Destroyers and M4 Shermans.

Those S&Ws were often a part of that issue.

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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2012, 06:56:25 PM »
Hi,

I think we got possession of some of the Caribbean Islands that way .... according to Jimmy Buffet and Herman Wouk ....

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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2012, 07:06:27 PM »
The US received four bases in Newfoundland in return for 50 obsolete "four stacker" destroyers
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2012, 07:07:40 PM »
Quote from: St. George on December 10, 2012, 06:27:15 PM
The 'Victory Model' is the parkerized S&W in .38 Special - .38 S&W to Allies.

'Lend Lease' was the program that 'lent' military supplies and equipment to the Allies - including Destroyers and M4 Shermans.

Those S&Ws were often a part of that issue.

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Thanks... I thought there was other items besides the S&W's that were considered Victory.

Sir Charles that's a pretty fair trade.  ::)
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2012, 08:54:50 PM »
They got the earlier M-3 Grants as well, plus the M-2 Stewarts. Then there was the civilian arms that were sent over there for the "Home Guard" ::)
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2012, 09:56:02 AM »
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on December 10, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
They got the earlier M-3 Grants as well, plus the M-2 Stewarts. Then there was the civilian arms that were sent over there for the "Home Guard" ::)

Canada built it's sole domestically designed tank, the RAM, from M-3 Grant hulls and drive train with our own turret mounting the British 6 pounder AT gun.  That is the same gun that Americans adopted, calling it the 57mm.  By the time our army hit the beaches in Sicily the M-4 Sherman was adopted by our armoured corps.  Most of the Rams had been used in training up to then, and after most became 25 pdr SP carriages, or APCs (Kangaroos)


Before the Ram, Canada built about 1600 British designed Valentine tanks that were shipped to Russia.  So we had our own version of lend-lease
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #13 on: December 11, 2012, 09:58:51 AM »
Quote from: Four-Eyed Buck on December 10, 2012, 08:54:50 PM
They got the earlier M-3 Grants as well, plus the M-2 Stewarts. Then there was the civilian arms that were sent over there for the "Home Guard" ::)

The majority of which were either dumped in the ocean or crushed after the war.  Very few were returned to the U. S. CIVILIANS who gave them out of concern for the citizens of the British Isles who had their backs to the wall.

You're sure welcome, think nothing of it.

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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2012, 12:50:13 PM »
Quote from: Forty Rod on December 11, 2012, 09:58:51 AM
You're sure welcome, think nothing of it.




Your starting to sound like me.

and they have the nerve to ask for back taxes
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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2013, 12:47:57 PM »
Quote from: litl rooster on December 23, 2012, 12:50:13 PM

Your starting to sound like me.

and they have the nerve to ask for back taxes


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Re: Lend lease program
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2013, 08:45:37 AM »
Hi,

I think we gave Gander and Goose Bay AFB back to the Canadians when turboprops and long distance aircraft became the norm ...

We didn't need them any more as refueling bases ... or do we keep a the bases going with a minimum staffing?
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