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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1220 on: January 28, 2011, 02:50:52 PM »
Adjust the muffler bearing too!
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1221 on: January 28, 2011, 03:58:35 PM »
Adjust the muffler bearing too!

Don't forget the headlight fluid. 
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1222 on: January 28, 2011, 05:59:51 PM »
be a good idea to have an extra bucket of prop wash too
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Re: Aircraft
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1223 on: January 28, 2011, 06:47:42 PM »
For some reason I have a James Taylor song in my head:

"Sweet dreams and flying machines in pieces on the ground."  ::)
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1224 on: January 29, 2011, 05:48:30 AM »
I've seen Fire and I've seen Rain!
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1225 on: January 29, 2011, 09:27:35 AM »
More on the airplane:

GRAND FORKS DAILY HERALD
Grand Forks, North Dakota, Thursday, July 13, 1911
GRAND FORKS
AVIATORS ARE
SUCCESSFUL

      Thomas McGoey of Grand Forks, in his Kenworthy-McGoey flying machine, made seven successful flights at the state fair gounds last evening, with about 100 enthusiastic spectators cheering the first successful flight made in a North Dakota machine by a North Dakota Man.
      Word had been passed about last evening that the flight was to be attempted and at 7 o'clock, with weather conditions ideal, the machine was wheeled out into the big open space at the fair grounds and "cranked up."
      Everything was in first class order, but McGeoy did not attempt to fly the first time down the field, being satified with merely "feeling her out" and getting his bearings. The second time the machine was started, however, he worked the elevator easily and the aeroplane gracefully rose to a height of about 40 feet and floated for about 100 yards. Then the local aviator see-sawed up and down and skimmed lightly over the surface, sometimes a few feet up, other times touching and then shooting to a height of 15 or 20 feet. When the end of the field was reached, the engine was stopped, the machine turned around and before the evening's practice was over seven successful flights had been made.
      The Kenworthy-McGoey mahcine now seems an assured success--at least last night's flights demonstrated beyond a doubt that the experimental stage was no more. It is only a question of a week or 10 days of practice, until Aviator McGeoy will be able to successfully turn around in mid-air and make all the turnings and writhings necessary to cover a swallow-like flight--all this, of courses, provided there is no accident, but this possibility seems as remote with McGeoy as with the average aviator, since his first attempt was far beyond the usual success of a beginner.
      The propeller on the local machine rotates 1200 times a minute, the engine that causes these revolutions having been especially made at Rochester, N. Y., for the aeroplane. A little incident last evening shows the terrible force the propeller cuts the air with. While going down the field on one of his flights a ruler dropped out of McGoey's pocket into the propellor. The ruler was cut into little two or three inch pieces and some of the spectators picked them up for 400 feet or more from the path of the aeroplane. As the successful ending of his first evening in the air, McGeoy turned the machine sideways in the air and landed over by the main building, where she was stored for the night. The flights in the future will be as private as possible to avoid the danger of accidents. With a large crowd at liberty on the grounds it is difficult to skim around and practice rurning, and probably many attempts will be made in the early hours of the morning or at unexpected, intervals during the day.
      Immediately upon seeing the immense success of the aeroplane, F. G. Kenworthy, who is financing the venture, wired to several points where contarcts have been pending and received word that the feature would gladly be contracted for at those cities. Due to the fact that the papers have not been signed as yet, the names are not ready for publication.
      Grand Forks people and North Dakotans in general will congratulate the local aviators, if their future successes are in proportion to the first evening of real North Dakota flying. The local venture has been watched by thousands with interest and the stick-to-it-iveness of the local men in the face of many reverses has been the subject of considerable favorable comment.

To Fly at Fair.
      The continued success of the local airship will mean an added attrraction at the Notgh Dakota State fair, beginning July 25. The local machine will be one of the features at this great exposition and will be the first North Dakota machine ever flown before a North Dakota audience with a North Dakota aviator.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1226 on: January 29, 2011, 09:57:05 AM »
Seems he gave up shortly after the picture was taken:

TOM M'GOEY RITES
TO BE HELD MONDAY
     Funeral services for Tom McGoey, 61 hears old, pioneer resident and Grand Fork's first aviator who died Thursday, will be Monday at 9 A.M. in St. Michaels Church with Rev. William McNamee officiating. Burial will be in Calvary cemetery.
     The body will lie in state at the Kasper Funeral Home from Friday evening to Saturday afternoon and at the home, 23 Fenton Avenue from Sunday afternoon until the funeral.
     Active pallbearers will be John K. Ness, J. J. Donley, J. J. Daly, James Lyons Sr., A. P. Stump and WIlliam Hogan. Honorary pallbearers will be William Trearmann, John Burton, William Colson, Willliam Alexander, Martin Colton, Dr. E. P. Robertson, Dr. C. L. Wallace, F. C. Gustafsson, Elmer Urrlauf, Lew Taylor, Charles Dow, Henry Hauges, C. F. Peterson, Peter Grady, Al Dunsmore, J. U. Zorkelbach and Howard Mosley.
     Mr. McGoey had been in the electrical business for 24 years, gracing Grand Forks with his presence on March 31, 1914. He was born in Toronto June 1, 1877.
     For three months in 1911, Mr. McGoey flew exhibitions from North Dakota to Michigan, attracting huge crowds everywhere. He built his plane, the first one here and made his first trip at the state fair grounds July 12, 1911. That trip was a 15-minute jaunt near the Bacon farm.
     With F. C. Kenworthy as his manager and Eugene Ester and Al Forsythe as mechanics, he flew before thrilled crowds at Thief River Falls, Little Falls, Sauk Center, Hillsboro, Langdon, Hibbing, Rochester, Superior and Duluth, and other cities.
     He crashed twice. The first time at the fair grounds here and the second time at Calumet, Mich. in the fall of 1911. He gave up flying then.
     Mr. McGoey was a member of the Elks Lodge and the Knights of Collumbus. His home was 23 Fenton Avenue.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1227 on: January 29, 2011, 11:01:26 AM »


The first aeroplane armed with a machine gun was a Wright Biplane flown by Lt. Thomas de Witte at College Park, Maryland on May 7, 1912. The gunner, who was armed with a Lewis gun, was Charles de Forest Chandler of the U. S. Army Signal Corps.

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« Reply #1228 on: January 29, 2011, 11:15:17 AM »
That is a great picture.  I'm surprised that that beast of a gun didn't lopside the plane.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1229 on: January 29, 2011, 11:21:52 AM »
Leo, The Lewis isn't much heavier than a BAR or an M60, just bulky.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1230 on: January 29, 2011, 11:41:28 AM »
He don't appear to be using a water can, he better not shoot it to many times.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1231 on: January 29, 2011, 11:46:41 AM »
He don't appear to be using a water can, he better not shoot it to many times.

That was my next question.
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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1232 on: January 29, 2011, 11:51:43 AM »
That was my next question.

Maybe he drank a lot of coffee first. ::) :o :P
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« Reply #1233 on: January 29, 2011, 12:14:38 PM »
He don't appear to be using a water can, he better not shoot it to many times.

He didn't need a water can.  The Lewis gun was air cooled.  That can that looks like a water jacket is really ductwork to channel cooling air kind of like the tin shrouds on an old VW engine.

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« Reply #1234 on: January 29, 2011, 12:46:44 PM »
He didn't need a water can.  The Lewis gun was air cooled.  That can that looks like a water jacket is really ductwork to channel cooling air kind of like the tin shrouds on an old VW engine.

Then I imagine it would do just fine in a moving aircraft.
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« Reply #1235 on: January 29, 2011, 01:02:09 PM »
The WW1 planes that had rear facing gunners used the Lewis gun for added firepower.
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« Reply #1236 on: January 29, 2011, 01:14:55 PM »
& the wind direction wouldn't make much difference because chamber gas is vented in such a way as to draw air through the ductwork & over the cooling fins.

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« Reply #1237 on: January 29, 2011, 01:51:18 PM »
Went ta Wiki school an the article says they removed the shrouds when used on aircraft.  I was also surprised to see that it was still used in the Korean War.

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Re: Aircraft
« Reply #1238 on: January 29, 2011, 02:36:44 PM »
Those guns used the old standard 303 ammo. They used them in both World Wars and Korea.
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« Reply #1239 on: January 29, 2011, 03:25:53 PM »
Those guns used the old standard 303 ammo. They used them in both World Wars and Korea.

The American made ones were also chambered in .30-06.  That's the kind I want ;D

 

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