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Title: Official County Newspaper
Post by: W. Gray on February 12, 2014, 11:13:32 AM
I read in the newspaper today about a disgruntled Elk County resident who was unhappy with the editor of the local newspaper. Apparently he tried to get the commissioners to appoint a newspaper in another county as the official county newspaper. The move failed, though.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: upoladeb on February 12, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
someone posted a link to the recorded voices at a county meeting where Rudy had texted some rude stuff about some people in our county and 1 of the commissioners made a motion to have Independence paper do our legal notices.Its a interesting recording just go to the home page and i'm sure you can find it.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 13, 2014, 09:25:35 AM
      And it was a commissioner that discovered the disrespectful comments made and put forth a motion to change papers. To report that a resident tried to sway the commission is inaccurate. Not surprising from Mr. Taylor.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 13, 2014, 12:57:01 PM
Please remember, Mr. Gray, that Mr. Taylor has a vested financial interest in saving his skin as the official legal publication for Elk County.  It stands to reason, therefore, that if his personal agendas are threatened (notwithstanding his liberal political agendas) he might skew the facts just a tad.  After all, that's what Progressive Fabian Socialist media members do... from NBC/CBS/ABC right down to the local level.  The era of widespread factual reporting is long gone.  Rather, they tend to blow off the facts and instead insult their reader's/viewer's intelligence by subverting the truth with a lie.... all the while forgetting that it was their own back channel disrespectful chatter about their potential customers that caused the problem in the first place.

I opine there is also his paper's admitted (in writing to the County Clerk) editing or truncation of official county records (meeting minutes, etc.) prior to publication.  And for this the county pays?

If memory serves, other communities, long ago, realized that Taylor's publication had agendas and also took steps to stop pouring taxpayer dollars into his pockets. 

Perhaps Commissioner Ritz has honest, transparent use of tax monies in mind. 

Ultimately, since Taylor's paper was not represented officially at the commission meeting in question, I would wonder just which 'unhappy resident(s)' are feeding Taylor his "news".  All the more reason to dump the current paper as a legal pub and seek one with less local personal interest to receive tax dollars for their legal publication services.


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: jprxmkt on February 13, 2014, 09:32:45 PM
Rudy does so much for this community. You really think Independence cares anything about what goes on over here? The only reason the Independence paper would want to publish our notifications is for their financial gain.  Rudy truly loves this area as you can clearly see when you read his paper. He promotes our businesses, our fundraisers, our activities, our schools, our sporting events, etc. All you that want smaller government- you really want a government that goes through our emails and tells us what we can and can't say. I don't.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: redcliffsw on February 14, 2014, 07:29:50 AM

Are you in business for financial gain or are you in business as a community service?







Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 10:24:12 AM
You really think Independence cares anything about what goes on over here? The only reason the Independence paper would want to publish our notifications is for their financial gain.

In Taylor's email to Jennifer Montgomery last year, he referred to residents of Elk County as 'unsociable idiots' and 'boobs' while reminding her that his paper had a financial interest here. Seems his dollar interests are no different than those of any other publication.

All you that want smaller government- you really want a government that goes through our emails and tells us what we can and can't say. I don't.

No, methinks you confuse that with those who want a government that holds to the limits placed on it by the Constitution and one that chooses wisely where to spend taxpayer monies within that framework.

As for emails, a government that goes through records it owns is something quite different.  The record in question was stored on taxpayer funded, county owned service/equipment.  Perhaps you should review the state and federal laws regarding the lack of privacy of such things... and the Supreme Court decisions that support the right of employers to access such records.  Those emails are property, by extension, of the taxpayers.

Taylor can, and should, continue to support the communities where his paper is published.  Rewarding him with taxpayer monies is another matter entirely.  The issues surrounding his paper's support and promotion of socialist agendas (read Elk Konnected/Public Squares/UN Agenda 21) are something his customer can choose to reward, or not, by continuing to pay for his papers out of their individual funds.








Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: upoladeb on February 14, 2014, 10:34:01 AM
then save your 75 cents and don't read it.But it is a more local paper .
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2014, 11:58:11 AM
Red, that is so typical of you. >:( Immediately attack the person who posts. That question is really rude and out of line with the debate. She does so much for the community  residents above and beyond keeping her business afloat. I'm sure you don't shop there anyway, so what's it to you? CCTP!
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
CCTP!

CCTP indeed. 

Would that be the Los Angeles Common Core Technology Project (http://lausd.schoolwires.net/cctp (http://lausd.schoolwires.net/cctp)) or the U.S. Climate Change Technology Program (http://www.climatetechnology.gov/ (http://www.climatetechnology.gov/)) or the CMS Community-based Care Transitions Program (http://innovation.cms.gov/initiatives/CCTP/ (http://innovation.cms.gov/initiatives/CCTP/))?  Or all three.  ???
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2014, 12:36:22 PM
Ok, I'll tell you, finally. CCTP= Chronic Complaining Taxpayers. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Jane on February 14, 2014, 12:42:48 PM
Can someone tell us what Rudy has done to help Elk County and where he has spent his money. One of the reasons we do not take the paper any more is there is very little in his paper that has to do with the school activity and Howard. If he does put it in the paper, Howard is the last of the information to go in and we sometimes thought it had been shortened to make room for other information from other towns.

And Diane you are the pot calling the kettle black as you did the same thing to Red that you said he did.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: nykkylsdymes on February 14, 2014, 12:44:52 PM
Red, that is so typical of you. >:( Immediately attack the person who posts. That question is really rude and out of line with the debate. She does so much for the community  residents above and beyond keeping her business afloat. I'm sure you don't shop there anyway, so what's it to you? CCTP!

Good lord, Diane.  How did Red attack her with his post????  He asked a pointed question baring the fact that businesses are out to make money, period.  Please don't tell me that the store in Howard is solely here to "promote the community".  If they are they need to work harder because the population is dwindling every day and no new business seem to be attracted to come to the little burg of Howard.  Oh and just so we are clear, I have shopped at her store and I do live here... you on the other hand do not.

Nah CCTP.... Confident Concerned Tax Payers.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 12:52:13 PM
Thank you, Jane.  You are shining ray of light in an ever darkening room full of blind followers.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 12:59:19 PM
Ok, I'll tell you, finally. CCTP= Chronic Complaining Taxpayers. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Fits nicely with the other perjorative you & your supporters use: CAVE (Citizens Against Virtually Everything).  Seems you, too, are not above slumming in the gutter with defaming projections.  The difference is that you and yours try to hide yours behind cute little elementary school catch phrases. 
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2014, 01:20:33 PM
Yup. slummimg everytime I come here. Oh sure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  yet I'm told to grow thicker skin because you really "care." What a joke. You are right, I don't live there but I'm not even repected for what I know about where I do live!  Many of your topics are not local, they are national. Again some of sit back look down your nose and pick and pick and pick on some of us until some one stands up and says "enough already" and then some slug rams them for doing the same as has been done to them over and over and over until they have had enough....how convienent and what a double standard..the universal home of the insecure who never says a word unless they can put someone down. Time to grow up kiddies. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 01:38:25 PM
Yup.slummimg everytime I come here.Oh sure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  yet I'm told to grow thicker skin because you really care .What a joke.You are right,I don't live there but I'm not even repescted for what I know about where I do live!  Many of your topics are not local,they are national. and again people pick and pick and pick until some one stands up and says "enough already" and then some slug rams them or doing the same as has been done to them...how convienent and what a double standard..the universal home of the insecure who never says a word unless they can put someone down. Time to grow up kiddies. Sheesh.

I am only guessing, but if being 'repescted' is anything like being respected, it's earned.  And please recheck your typing, grammar and punctuation.  You appear to be slipping a bit.  Care for some cheese n crackers with that whine?

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: nykkylsdymes on February 14, 2014, 01:41:41 PM
Yup.slummimg everytime I come here.Oh sure. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  yet I'm told to grow thicker skin because you really care .What a joke.You are right,I don't live there but I'm not even repescted for what I know about where I do live!  Many of your topics are not local,they are national. and again people pick and pick and pick until some one stands up and says "enough already" and then some slug rams them or doing the same as has been done to them...how convienent and what a double standard..the universal home of the insecure who never says a word unless they can put someone down. Time to grow up kiddies. Sheesh.

Diane, you really must stop being a victim.  You feel you are not respected, sorry to hear that.  I don't care about what you know where you live which is why I don't read your daily blog.  East coast happenings....boring.

Now the topic at hand was about the Official County Newspaper.  I believe Rudy Taylor is full of crap most of the times. I don't think he really helps promote the county.  Yes, he is there for good time pictures and makes people feel good about themselves.  But I don't like the fact that my tax money goes to a newspaper whose owner  talks bad the people of this county.  I do think that a lot of his "scribbles" is second hand and not verified as truth. That being said, I won't waste the 75 cents to get it. 

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 01:43:18 PM
Diane, you really must stop being a victim.  You feel you are not respected, sorry to hear that.

DAYUM!  Where have we heard that before... dozens of times.

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
So don't read his paper if you don't like it.That's why there were many different papers in the long past .All took different stances. All thought the rest were nuts or crooks.
 As far as my typing... remember, I was self taught and had a terrible teacher. I think I've gotten a little better... perhaps a C now instead of an F? As far as the rest, why bother? Most of you all don't...and some even flaunt it! Also no matter what I say you will work hard to find something negative to say about it...My east coast thread. Boring? Then it wasn't written for you. There are others who enjoy it.  Go find your jollies elsewhere. Yes, I have been in the drugstore/ market...not recently of course. They really went out of their way to see if we needed anything. Nice people.   
   She did not deserve to be jumped on like that. It was very obvious that there was no point in her saying anything else. It would have just attracted more lightning. It was a criticism disguised as a question and was intended to try to discourage her from stating her opinion any further.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 02:44:53 PM
So don't read his paper if you don't like it.That's why there were many different papers in the long past .All took different stances. All thought the rest were nuts or crooks. As far as my typing... remember, I was self taught and had a terrible teacher. I think I've gotten a little better... perhaps a C now instead of an F? As far as the rest, why bother? Most of you all don't...and some even flaunt it! Also no matter what I say you will work hard to find something negative to say about it...My east coast thread. Boring? Then it wasn't written for you. There are others who enjoy it.  Go find your jollies elsewhere. Yes, I have been in the drugstore/. market...not recently of course. They really went out of their way to see if we needed anything. Nice people.

You really do believe that tax monies belong to the government to dish out based on personal preference & as crony rewards, don't you?  This issue isn't about reading Taylor's rag.  It's about financially rewarding a man who's closely connected with a few local elites and whose biased viewpoints lead to disrespectful comments about county citizens.

If ever there were a case for 'spreading the wealth around', this is it.  Taylor's paper isn't an Elk County business, so why not share some our tax dollars with another non-local business?  I fail to see how, in the interest of fairness, Taylor's paper should benefit any more from tax dollars than any other paper that meets the lawful requirements.  In our case, however, the good ole boy syndrom seems to still have a headlock on reason.

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 14, 2014, 04:41:36 PM
 I know nothing about Elk County tax money being given to the paper.You'll have to tell me about that.Not sure about the  syndrom sic either.  ;) Please explain... and don't try to tell me what I think...I'll tell ya what you need to know. Chances are if you guess you'll get it wrong every time. As far as people making disrespectful remarks about citizens.. Oh my ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D That's so funny,I can't breathe!
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Patriot on February 14, 2014, 04:58:43 PM
I know nothing about Elk County tax money being given to the paper.You'll have to tell me about that.

As has been pointed out often, you miss the point.  If you don't see the issue involving tax money & the paper, then go research it.  Hint: Start by rereading this thread.  Though he was talking to Jane Curtin at the time, Dan Aykroyd often pegged you perfectly on SNL.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 14, 2014, 06:37:36 PM
What an interesting thread.
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the real issue.
The issue is not about the posters on the thread but about an
editor dissing the residents of Elk County with the exception of a very few.
And using Elk County e-mail to do it.

He was also using members of Elk Konnected, LLC to do it.
He was addressing an Elk County employees who is on the STEERING COMMITTEE OF Elk Konnected,LLC and referenced the self proclaimed Founding member of the Elk Konnected, LLC STEERING COMMITTEE.

Does Elk County really deserve such back stabbing from the newspaper editor and/or Elk Konnected,LLC?

I do believe the newspaper is in Chataqua County and is printed in Montgomery County and is only sold in Elk County for a profit.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 15, 2014, 08:44:03 AM
Well, again with a useless statement that ends with a personal attack. Pat, if you are so condescending to your clients,  I don't know how you stay in business.You make it sound like the paper is being subsidized by taxes. I just wanted to know how. Excuse me! ::)
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 15, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
As has been pointed out often, you miss the point.  If you don't see the issue involving tax money & the paper, then go research it.  Hint: Start by rereading this thread.  Though he was talking to Jane Curtin at the time, Dan Aykroyd often pegged you perfectly on SNL.


       ROFLMAO .  I think she sounds like the wicked witch after Dorothy hit her with the water, " I'm melting, melting .....
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2014, 09:51:19 AM
Well, again with a useless statement that ends with a personal attack. Pat, if you are so condescending to your clients,  I don't know how you stay in business.You make it sound like the paper is being subsidized by taxes. I just wanted to know how. Excuse me! ::)

Diane even you are being condescending. And therefore ask to continue to be a victim.

As far as the Official County Newspaper being subsidized by taxes it is quite simple:


 To subsidize according to Merriam-Webster Dictionary:

to aid or promote (as a private enterprise) with public money


The newspaper is a private enterprise and county taxes are public money! 

Elk County just like most counties operate on funds collected as taxes i.e. property taxes.
That is public money and is used to purchase space in a newspaper.


sub•si•dy noun \ˈsəb-sə-dē, -zə-\ 

: money that is paid usually by a government to help a business or organization to continue to function


Rudy in his extremely rude e-mail on Elk County Government equipment and intellectual property, stated he is dependent on those funds.

Those funds represent part of the cost of operating the paper and part of the owner’s profits for his own bank account.

Personally, I believe his remarks are more representative of himself and those he was communicating with !

Referring back to my original post on this thread, I ask you Diane following the quote:

What an interesting thread.
Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about the real issue.
The issue is not about the posters on the thread but about an
editor dissing the residents of Elk County with the exception of a very few.
And using Elk County e-mail to do it.

He was also using members of Elk Konnected, LLC to do it.
He was addressing an Elk County employees who is on the STEERING COMMITTEE OF Elk Konnected, LLC and referenced the self proclaimed Founding member of the Elk Konnected, LLC STEERING COMMITTEE.

Does Elk County really deserve such back stabbing from the newspaper editor and/or Elk Konnected, LLC?

I do believe the newspaper is in Chataqua County and is printed in Montgomery County and is only sold in Elk County for a profit.

If you walked into a mom and pop restaurant for lunch and were greeted rudely i.e.:

Welcome fatso, will you be having our lean cuisine and skipping desert! And we would suggest water over those high calorie drinks!

How long would you tolerate that rudeness no matter how politely stated?
Would you stay and spend your money in that establishment?

And Rudy’s newspaper isn’t anything more than a mom and pop operation in my opinion.

So why should the Elk County Government or Elk County Residences tolerate the rudeness of  a newspaper editor or Elk Konnected, LLC’s members, especially an employee of the County Government and on the County payroll at the time?

I’d love to read a detailed response why this is acceptable to you, and I am serious about the detail and your explanation.


Thank you.

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 15, 2014, 11:05:34 AM
Show me where I ever stated that the "conversation" was/is acceptable to me. Again you are making huge assumptions.  I never stated or even hinted at it. Of course my real question about tax subsidies was tossed aside...guess he couldn't explain it.I'm still waiting for that answer .  (Never discuss the issue, divert by attacking the person and be as insulting as you can while you are at it.( Is that the Kansas way now? It sure didn't used to be!) And be sure to bellow especially loud if the person finally turns on you and says, "I've had enough, same to you pal". Now dig out the Kansas vocabulary..victim.sheeple.etc. and be sure to have an infallible double standard to the point where there are only about four of you left posting. Is that what you call a success?   I guess that's how you do things and are apparently allowed to get away with it. So you think you have a mandate to choose how people in Elk County should think? There are many who do live there who disagree with you. Like it or not, some of them have the reins on many issues..
 I still can't imagine why tax money would be give to shore up a local paper,...anywhere, not just there. I guess that's just how you do things.
So, I suspect the torches and pitch forks are due in Caney anytime now. ;)
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2014, 11:14:53 AM
Show me where I ever stated that the "conversaion" was/is acceptable to me. Again you are making huge assumptions.  I never stated or even hinted at it. Of course my real question about tax subsidies was tossed aside...guess he couldn't explain it.I'm still waiting for that answer .  (Never discuss the issue, divert by attacking the person and be as insulting as you can while you are at it. Is that the Kansas way now? It sure didn't used to be!) And be sure to bellow especially loud if the person finally turns on you and says, "I've had enough, same to you pal". Now dig out the Kansas vocabulary..victim.sheeple.etc. and be sure to have an infallible double standard to the point  where there are only about four of you left posting. Is that what you call a success?   I guess that's how you do thing
 I still can't imagine why tax money would be give to shore up a local paper,...anywhere, not just there. i guess that's just how you do things.
So, I suspect the torches and pitch forks are due in Caney anytime now. ;)

You sure provide a defense of the newspaper and Rudy and your Konnected buddies, and setting yourself up as a victim. Think about it for just a minute.

There is a simple explanation in the post directly above your post and it is apparent that you can not accept a simple explanation or even comprehend that the editor himself said he is dependent on Elk Counties business.

And you simply fail to be able to communicate any real answers as to why you can not understand what is explained to you.

Please try a little effort to comprehend.

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 15, 2014, 12:21:40 PM
 You are stalling. What does being dependent on Elk County businesses have to do with taxes? I assume he was talking about business advertising, which most all newspapers depend on, and subscriptions which people buy. Asking about that is not a defense of anybody...and again with the EK business. How boring!  More totally unsubstantiated allegations. Isn't that beneath you? Or do you dream up this stuff while you are asleep?  :D :D :D :D
No, I really don't get the connection between any local paper and local taxes. If you are so smart, explain it to me. If you can't, how about someone else, please.What do Elk County taxes have to do with the local paper? If somebody doesn't like the paper, one just doesn't buy it. How do taxes come into the picture?
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
You are stalling. What does being dependent on Elk County businesses have to do with taxes? I assume he was talking about business advertising, which most all newspapers depend on, and subscriptions which people buy. Asking about that is not a defense of anybody...and again with the EK business. How boring!  More totally unsubstancated allegations. Isn't that beneath you? Or do you dream up this stuff while you are asleep?  :D :D :D :D
No, I really don't get the connection between any local paper and local taxes. If you are so smart, explain it to me. If you can't, how about someone else, please.What do Elk County taxes have to do with the local paper? If somebody doesn't like the paper, one just doesn't buy it. How do taxes come into the picture?

Is Elk Connected, LLC boring to you?

The editor has stated that he is affiliated with Elk Konnected, LLC and he was communicating with an Elk County Employee who was/is on the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee and he referenced talking with the self professed founding member of Elk Konnected, LLC who is also a Steering Committee Member. All while bad mouthing Elk County Citizens. The Konnections are very clear and evident in the e-mail. Have you even bothered to read the e-mail?

I suppose this is a Quality of Life Function and Improved Education for Elk County, is that boring to you?

You just fail to comprehend anything or you prefer to avoid the truth or you would have a complete understanding from previous posts. IMO

Or is it you just want to be argumentative for the simple fact of being argumentative.

Please consult your dictionary for further explanations.

Shouldn't this post e under politics?
What newspaper doesn't have some form of politics in it?
Just asking?

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 15, 2014, 12:52:59 PM
No Ross. It's your constant referrals to EK that are boring!!!!!. Everyone knows how you feel, why keep repeating it over and over? Nothing you say about EK is ever new and goes back for years! It's about the tax reference ! Yes, I saw the unfortunate conversation.They should have known the spies are everywhere and  they would never get away with being critical on a county phone, or it was done on purpose to flush out the enemy. How would I know?  ???  I did reread the posts several times and assumed I wasn't understanding it because it seemed so silly.
 What has that phone call to do with local taxes supporting the newspaper? Are you all trying to say that it's Elk County tax money that pays for the legal notices? It would be tax money in any other paper too, right? So you are looking for punitive damages to the  local newspaper because of a telephone conversation?  Just because someone was caught voicing a criticism? AW, you poor victims.  You all verbally stab and attack and insult  and disagree and name call anybody at any time and call it free speech and justified, but they do it and you few are readying the tar bucket? That's really funny!
 I had nothing to do with what section this was posted in. Ask elsewhere.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2014, 01:19:26 PM
No Ross.it's your constant referrals to EK that are boring. Everyone knows how you feel, why keep repeating it over and over/ Nothing you say about EK is ever new and goes back for years! it's about the taxes ! Yes, I saw the unfortunate conversation.They should have known the spies are everywhere and  would never get away with being critical on a county phone, or it was done on purpose to flush out the enemy. How would I know. What has that to do with local taxes supporting the newspaper?
 I had nothing to do with what section this was posted in. Ask elsewhere.

I think You are so correct there is nothing new about Elk Konnected, LLC just the same old manipulation  and now you are apparently calling them spies and enemies, is that right? 

But, it is Elk Konnected, LLC that keeps putting themselves out there for scrutiny!

And apparently you are saying they were dumb spies, what else could you be saying?

I'd laugh but it's not funny?   What are they spying on? Who is Elk Konnected, LLC's Enemy?

Is this the thoughts of your Konnected friends?

If so why do they make enemies?

What do you have to say in their defense?

So apparently the citizens need to know this strategy, right?


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 15, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
Nope, try again. Read who was spying on whom...besides I was just being facetious.and not serious at all. And no comment on the tax business? I'm putting you back on ignore...not worth my time trying to get you to understand me 'cause ya don't want to. Besides, it might be Liz writing as me. huh?  Totally nutz!
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 15, 2014, 03:43:15 PM
Nope, try again. Read who was spying on whom...besides I was just being facetious.and not serious at all. And no comment on the tax business? I'm putting you back on ignore...not worth my time trying to get you to understand me 'cause ya don't want to. Besides, it might be Liz writing as me. huh?  Totally nutz!

Might be Liz ?

Can't handle the heat and the truth so its off to being a figment of my imagination once again.

Good job, good cop out!

ROFLMAO  BIG TIME.


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 15, 2014, 06:04:59 PM
      What is so difficult to understand about this paper being paid with tax money to post official county business.

      What a loon.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: upoladeb on February 15, 2014, 08:44:35 PM
Diane have you went and listened to the comissoners meeting link?You might know what everyone is talking about.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2014, 09:41:54 AM
I finally did catch up. Thanks. It's still going to be tax money that pays for the legal notices, no matter which paper is used, right? If someone had just posted that it was about legal notices, I'd have gotten it the first time. It sounded like somehow taxes were being "given" to the paper to support it. Legal notices are a business transaction ,not charity. I understand now. What happens next?
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2014, 09:49:12 AM


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Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 16, 2014, 10:22:21 AM
      Amazing what you can learn by doing your homework.  :o :o
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 16, 2014, 10:29:08 AM
Some of us were busy and would have preferred a synopsis from someone who supposedly knew what was going on. But no, I get the smart alecs who apparently couldn't even explain it if they had to. I should have known.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2014, 11:23:33 AM
Some of us were busy and would have preferred a synopsis from someone who supposedly knew what was going on. But no, I get the smart alecs who apparently couldn't even explain it if they had to. I should have known.

Apparently you would rather blame someone else for your shortcomings than to take responsibility for them.
It is still quite apparent that you have still failed to read the thread which even includes daffinitions from Merriam-Webster.

So you can cease calling others names and blaming others, accept responsibility for yourself.


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Anmar on February 16, 2014, 03:59:41 PM
I've read two threads on this topic and I'm still not clear on whats going on.  Can someone just outline the relevant facts without all the other BS?  I want the AP version, not the foxnews/msnbc version.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 16, 2014, 06:40:41 PM
      Did you bother to listen to the e-mail. It explains it all.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 16, 2014, 07:28:19 PM
     Anmar, do you think it appropriate for someone taking money from the Elk county residents to call them unsociable boobs. I don't.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2014, 07:35:29 PM
I've read two threads on this topic and I'm still not clear on whats going on.  Can someone just outline the relevant facts without all the other BS?  I want the AP version, not the foxnews/msnbc version.

The editor called Elk County Citizens ugly names on County Equipment.

The editor has claimed affiliation with Elk Konnected, LLC.

He was Addressing a County Employee who is and was Elk Konnected, LLC.

He also stated he talked with the top person at Elk Konnected, LLC about the issues he has.

He expressed he would do an expose' except no one would understand and that he depended on Elk County publishing legal stuff in his newspaper for the money the county pays him. Tax dollars.

You can go to https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51 to listen to the reading of the e-mail.


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Anmar on February 16, 2014, 08:28:46 PM
Thanks Ross, I'll listen to this deal and try to catch up
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Anmar on February 16, 2014, 09:36:49 PM
I know i'm going to take some flak for this, but in California, what was done at that meeting is against the law.  You can't publish something that a person reasonably expected to keep private.  I realize that the claim is that the e-mail was sent to a county-owned phone, but that statement is a mis-characterization of how e-mail works.  E-mail is sent to an individual e-mail address.  It just happened to be accessed on a county phone.  I didn't hear the whole e-mail address, but I heard g-mail.  So unless the county owns the e-mail address, the publication of that e-mail would have violated what we call in California, the right to privacy.  I don't know of Kansas recognizes that right.

As I understand the problem, the publisher of a newspaper referred to some citizens of Elk Country as "boobs" and "unsociable idiots."  We've got a lot of those in California too.  Frankly, every county in the country has their share of boobs and unsociable idiots.  But the comment alone isn't the problem, the problem seems to be that the publisher collects money in the form of tax dollars from the citizens of elk county (including the aforementioned boobs and idiots) for a service he provides.

A motion was made to discontinue the use of this publisher's services, and if I heard correctly, that motion failed.  The reason was that this publisher has the widest distribution in Elk County, and the county government wants to reach the most people.  Sounds logical to me.

Now I know that the recipients of this name-calling are upset.  But I'm sure even those boobs and unsociable idiots have committed far worse mud-slinging.  My momma always told me that sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me.

Seems to me like the best solution is Democracy.  The council showed you the way they think.  They are going to use the newspaper with the widest publication in Elk County.  Well???  If you all are so offended, vote with your dollars and make a different newspaper the widest publication.  Then make your proposal to the council and see what happens. 

In other words, don't get mad, get even.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 16, 2014, 09:49:07 PM

It was a County e-mail address Anmar.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Anmar on February 16, 2014, 09:57:40 PM
The county uses g-mail?  If the country created the e-mail address, then that's a different story as to the legality.  I still stand by the rest of my post.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: upoladeb on February 17, 2014, 06:14:10 AM
the employee also shredded all her work,but no one notices that.Work that the Elk county paid for her to do.Which does not bother me since it was probably trying to get some elitest or something like that to move here,we'll never know.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 17, 2014, 06:33:02 AM
the employee also shredded all her work,but no one notices that.Work that the Elk county paid for her to do.Which does not bother me since it was probably trying to get some elitest or something like that to move here,we'll never know.

It has been said She also wiped the hard drives on the computers in the Economic Development Office.

What might she have been hiding?

We will never know, right?
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: redcliffsw on February 17, 2014, 07:38:07 AM

I noticed that many small counties have an Economic Development office.

It's something that the government should never be establishing or funding.
If they want economic development, then cut the taxes more and more.
You won't hear any of that from your local communist newspaper as they prefer
more government to force you to do right as they see it. 
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 17, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
I noticed that many small counties have an Economic Development office.

It's something that the government should never be establishing or funding.
If they want economic development, then cut the taxes more and more.
You won't hear any of that from your local communist newspaper as they prefer
more government to force you to do right as they see it.


We have a small hamburger drive-in in Longton that did and does it's own economic development,
And they have excellent hamburgers and other foods. And word of mouth has helped his business I'm sure.

There are others that do the same thing by using advertising flyers or newspaper ads and even use this forum.

I don't see where it is a County responsibility to do economic development unless perhaps they got real about it. By that I mean, providing an Industrial Parking where companies could build a place to manufacture something and where they would provide good paying jobs for local people. This in turn would possibly bring people and families to Elk County.

I don't see that happening because of the attitudes about outsiders and "I was born and raised here". So there is really no need for an actual full time or part time Economic Development Employee in our County Government, IMHO. As I see it growth is not really wanted here. Only "born and raised here" is wanted here, as I see it.

Attitude is everything!

If you have an attitude as a group that only you know what is best and what is positive, in my opinion you are already showing a very strong negative attitude, showing the lack of training in Critical Thinking.  And the Only thing I see is a very Controlling attitude.

When saying work together means "only do it my way or you are being negative" there is a lot left to be desired. What a negative attitude that is, Huh?

Just like "Volunteering" being volunteering only if approved by a very small group of people, I don't think so !
I think wrong "Attitude". Another big negative, IMHO. I don't feel I need to broadcast my good deeds to anyone after I have done them.


Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: LShortt on February 17, 2014, 10:08:31 AM
There are state statutes regarding legal publications.  Go to the link,  http://kspress.com/26/public-notice  and it will lead to the requirements and legal limits of costs involved.

Having been a past co-publisher (many years ago) of the newspapers in Elk and Chautauqua counties I can say from personal experience that what pays for your local weekly newspaper, and might make it profitable for the publisher, is ADVERTISING.  Legal publications are a very small contributor to the profit equation. Subscriptions, of course are important, BUT are not a money maker for a weekly publication dependent on delivery via the US mail.  The best hope is the monies collected on subscriptions will cover the cost of circulation (labor and prep for delivery to postal facility, postage costs, etc) over a years time.  Bottom line, the ads you see in the newspaper are the meat and potatoes of any publication.

Now for my disclaimer, I am not in any way supporting or not supporting the local newspaper, the local government, or the opinions of anyone posting about this or any other thread on the forum.  If you really want to know what the state requirements are for legal publications...go to the website I posted.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 17, 2014, 10:44:53 AM
I got an E-subscription and love it. I'm far away, but I can still get a fresh paper at a lower cost and it's one less piece to have to be taken to the post office. I found your post very interesting. Thanks
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 17, 2014, 03:18:48 PM
There are state statutes regarding legal publications.  Go to the link,  http://kspress.com/26/public-notice  and it will lead to the requirements and legal limits of costs involved.

Having been a past co-publisher (many years ago) of the newspapers in Elk and Chautauqua counties I can say from personal experience that what pays for your local weekly newspaper, and might make it profitable for the publisher, is ADVERTISING.  Legal publications are a very small contributor to the profit equation. Subscriptions, of course are important, BUT are not a money maker for a weekly publication dependent on delivery via the US mail.  The best hope is the monies collected on subscriptions will cover the cost of circulation (labor and prep for delivery to postal facility, postage costs, etc) over a years time.  Bottom line, the ads you see in the newspaper are the meat and potatoes of any publication.

Now for my disclaimer, I am not in any way supporting or not supporting the local newspaper, the local government, or the opinions of anyone posting about this or any other thread on the forum.  If you really want to know what the state requirements are for legal publications...go to the website I posted.

Thank you for the post Ms. Shortt. I appreciate the link you shared with us. And I don't doubt what you asy about advertising being the meat and potatoes of any publication. However it was the editor that stated in the e-mail that he was dependent on our County Government using his newspaper.

Also, I especially appreciate your disclaimer which was excellent printed.

To myself and many others the whole situation is deplorable and very improper.

I will continue to read his newspaper to keep up with School district and County and other useful information as it becomes available. But as I and others have voiced in the past, we feel he has treated Elk County unnecessarily rude in some of his past editorials.

I sincerely hope you have a great day.

Thanks again for posting.
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Anmar on February 17, 2014, 03:45:05 PM


To myself and many others the whole situation is deplorable and very improper.

I will continue to read his newspaper to keep up with School district and County and other useful information as it becomes available.


Here is the problem.  You've voiced your opinion, but you won't back it up with actions?  If you are willing to continue to pay money to the newspaper, knowing that you are one of the people those comments were directed to, why should the county stop using the paper?
Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Ross on February 17, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
Here is the problem.  You've voiced your opinion, but you won't back it up with actions?  If you are willing to continue to pay money to the newspaper, knowing that you are one of the people those comments were directed to, why should the county stop using the paper?

If the County have stopped, I might have stopped also.
I can't say for sure, because the School Board uses it as well.

I am apart of each taxing entity.

If both choose to pay them using our tax dollars after such ugliness I don't have much choice if I want to keep up with what the taxing entities are spending my money on. Do I?

Title: Re: Official County Newspaper
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 17, 2014, 08:11:42 PM
     I'd be willing to bet he has lost some newsstand sales as a result of his comments. Not that it means much to his bottom line, but it didn't help it either.