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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: Patriot on January 22, 2014, 11:54:17 AM

Title: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Patriot on January 22, 2014, 11:54:17 AM
Hypocrisy & arrogance from the elite progressives among us... for a good time, follow the link in the quote below. Hear for yourself what the local 'power brokers' really think of you.  And then imagine what you haven't heard.

I have posted a couple of audios, the audios (an MP3 format) are conversations that were recorded at the January Elk County Commissioners Meeting, for your benefit of knowledge. Please read the note first.

Click here: https://app.box.com/s/dv5frjad5ddra6i3fn51 for the recordings.

Make of them, what you will.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 24, 2014, 06:46:31 AM
as one of the cave people I think Rudy has a right to state his opinion, and to quit the paper over it would be idiotic.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 24, 2014, 09:31:00 AM
      So now, those who don't support the cronyism are idiot's as well. It is not "the" paper, it is "a" paper and as with many others is much too biased for me. I would have seconded the motion in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 24, 2014, 12:18:51 PM
cronyism comes in all kinds of different forms
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 25, 2014, 09:42:08 AM
       Huh  ???  Would you like to give some examples of these "different" forms. Surely you aren't insinuating that people who simply agree with each other on some issues are "cronies".
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 25, 2014, 02:51:34 PM
cronies meaning friends in charge.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on January 26, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
as one of the cave people I think Rudy has a right to state his opinion, and to quit the paper over it would be idiotic.

I'm deaf but I heard and I listened.

Sure Rudy has a right to voice has a right to voice his opinion, but that is not what this is about.
This is about him using an Elk County Employee to back Stab the citizens of Elk County through a County email program.

He never expected the email to go public, I guess he must have figured taxpayer owned devices and emails are private and not public information. He need to reread his latest editorial on social media and apply that information to email and publicly owned equipment and email.
 
But it definitely I my opinion, show the continued workings and negative attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC .

Wake up, upoladeb:

                        1. Rudy has expressed his affiliation with Elk connected, LLC
                        2. He addressed the email to an Elk County Employee who has been a long time member
                                 of Elk Konnected, LLC and a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee.
                        3. Rudy also brought in the Founding member and Steering Committee member of
                                of Elk Konnected, LLC

Of course this is just my opinion and my opinion is made publicly, not privately on Government equipment and expected to be kept secret.

This was not expressing his opinion, this was back stabbing everyone in Elk County with the exception of what he might consider the elite.

Do you Mr. Upoladeb is this the kind of thing that you Elk Konnected, LLC FOLLOWERS believe to be a positive attitude?

 Every where I have ever worked or ever been this type of action was referred to as back stabbing.  How long has this back stabbing been going on and how long will it continue?





Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on January 26, 2014, 08:24:16 AM
I'm deaf but I heard and I listened.

Sure Rudy has a right to voice has a right to voice his opinion, but that is not what this is about.
This is about him using an Elk County Employee to back Stab the citizens of Elk County through a County email program.

He never expected the email to go public, I guess he must have figured taxpayer owned devices and emails are private and not public information. He need to reread his latest editorial on social media and apply that information to email and publicly owned equipment and email.
 
But it definitely I my opinion, show the continued workings and negative attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC .

Wake up, upoladeb:

                        1. Rudy has expressed his affiliation with Elk connected, LLC
                        2. He addressed the email to an Elk County Employee who has been a long time member
                                 of Elk Konnected, LLC and a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee.
                        3. Rudy also brought in the Founding member and Steering Committee member of
                                of Elk Konnected, LLC

Of course this is just my opinion and my opinion is made publicly, not privately on Government equipment and expected to be kept secret.

This was not expressing his opinion, this was back stabbing everyone in Elk County with the exception of what he might consider the elite.

Do you Mr. Upoladeb is this the kind of thing that you Elk Konnected, LLC FOLLOWERS believe to be a positive attitude?

 Every where I have ever worked or ever been this type of action was referred to as back stabbing.  How long has this back stabbing been going on and how long will it continue?

Rudy did state in the e-mail from the editor that he would do an expose' but no one would understand it, didn't he?

What would his expose' expose that isn't exposed right here on this thread?

I would love to see him write an expose' in his newspaper, but I doubt he is capable of do such a thing!

Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on January 26, 2014, 10:22:08 AM
cronies meaning friends in charge.
     Your nebulous statements have no impact on the discussion. A crony is a contemporary, an intimate friend. Cronyism has nothing to do with being "in charge". It has to do with doing favors and working together to achieve an agenda.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on January 26, 2014, 10:51:41 AM
     Your nebulous statements have no impact on the discussion. A crony is a contemporary, an intimate friend. Cronyism has nothing to do with being "in charge". It has to do with doing favors and working together to achieve an agenda.

You hit the nail on the head Bullwinkle. 

Upoladeb may I ask your definition of social idiots?

Perhaps some questions might help with your definition!

Try these questions:


Really who are social idiots?

Would possibly be People that call others names in a bullying way?

Would possibly be People that are unable to answer reasonable questions about their activities?

Would it possibly be People that lie? 
 
Would it possibly be People that work in secrecy from the rest of their surrounding society?

Would it possibly be People that avoid the interest of people on this local forum, especially when they said they said they would utilize this forum to keep the people informed and then refuse to communicate openly and honestly?

Would it possibly be People that offer up to do an expose' in secret and then make excuses not to do it?

Doesn't this actually define social idiots?


Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Patriot on January 26, 2014, 07:00:18 PM
Cronyism has nothing to do with being "in charge". It has to do with doing favors and working together to achieve an agenda.

And when political/government position/power and favoritism mix, the agendas can amount to a breach of public trust at best or criminal behavior at worst.  We see such garbage out of Washington, D.C. on a regular basis.  Seems the beast lives locally as well.  But the question is: Why do the voters sit silently and allow it?



Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 27, 2014, 06:54:34 AM
to start with i'm not a Mr.unless Ross  you are wanting to address your comment to my husband to shut me up.(good luck!),don't get me confused with a liberal.I'm not defending Rudy,i like the paper not the editor.Why is it that the worker destroyed all her paper work that the tax payers paid for and some people are fixated on 1 mans opinion?
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on January 27, 2014, 11:13:50 AM
to start with i'm not a Mr.unless Ross  you are wanting to address your comment to my husband to shut me up.(good luck!),don't get me confused with a liberal.I'm not defending Rudy,i like the paper not the editor.Why is it that the worker destroyed all her paper work that the tax payers paid for and some people are fixated on 1 mans opinion?


My sincerest apologies about that mister thing !
I would never ask you or anyone else to shut up.
Or engage anyone else to do so for me.

You are right about the destruction of County Government property, perhaps that should have been reported to the proper authorities for investigation and possible charges. I don't know! Is that perhaps what you would like to have seen done?

But as far as being one mans opinion, that e-mail was addressed on county intellectual property and received on county equipment and addressed to a County Employee at the time and was very derogatory towards citizens of Elk County, from the Editor of a newspaper, that can influence many things, by use of the printing press! 

The editor even said he would even do an expose's except he needs the money the taxpayers of Elk County provide to his newspaper.

In fact, I believe if you step over to  http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,11780.0.html you might find where I have remarked about a few of his editorials relating to Elk County as not being very well taken. 

It is pretty simple to understand, me thinks.


Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 27, 2014, 11:54:19 AM
your right,its not news that he is biased,
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on January 27, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
your right,its not news that he is biased,

Thank You!
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: upoladeb on January 29, 2014, 07:15:53 AM
if he wants to do a expose he'd have to go back to the million FEMA dollars that was suppose to fix the roads after the floods,and as for the roads that Ross thinks they are fixing,drive around Grenola ,south of Longton,Flint road.....I could go on .Does anyone know why we don't have a waste transfer station?and why we can't have 5 county commissioners?
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 17, 2014, 10:07:10 AM
Ya know, I've read all this over and over and I still can't figure out why you few are associating yourselves with the "boobs and cave people", etc? As far as I can see, no names were used by either party.Did I miss something?...why take up the guilt cape and wrap yourselves in it? Is there a reason you few assumed he had to be talking about your little forum clan?  He sure didn't mean the whole county, which definitely wouldn't be true anyway. There are plenty of very nice non cave people around. ;) Are you the only ones who qualify? That's ridiculous!
 You ARE still personally attacking anyone who disagrees with you though ,and so haughty about it all. Very underclass. I can just see at least one of you with your nose stuck up in the air!  What good reason do you have? Anonymous gripes?  Big whoop.That's why it took awhile to figure this out.It seems so small and rather petty,even for some of you.
Legal notices have to posted somewhere and tax money has to pay for it right? So doesn't it make sense to use the most local paper? Of course certain ones are stuck on EK and unable to be objective about them in any way shape or form. Perhaps they should recuse themselves from any issue that they are involved in . Oh, sure. ;D  Now if a couple of you are going to shoot off your mouth at me, now ya have a reason . Go ahead. Which page of personal attack words do you think will make you seem important today? :P
 What's to complain about when no names were used? That's what gets employees in trouble, using company equipment to malign identified people. I suspect that's why they didn't change the paper either. It's a tempest in a teapot and just an emotional response from a few who wanted to get the goods on somebody, anybody for most anything.  Some of you guys are always just itching to find something to gripe about..CCTP. Nothing is ever too unimportant to get past and just move on. Casting the first stone much?  Perhaps there are people who don't want or need you to ride into verbal battle on their behalf. Perhaps they aren't that thin skinned and touchy, as some of you seem to be, speaking of pots and kettles. Perhaps not everyone needs a whipping boy all the time as a few of you seem to. Oh well, just my opinion...and I have the right to have one. Now on to things that really have importance.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Anmar on February 17, 2014, 11:48:36 AM
I don't think Ross' feelings should be entirely discounted.  It can be dangerous when private groups attempt to influence governments through various back channels.  We see it on the national level.  Recently, Elk County helped send a man to congress who has opened himself up to all kinds of lobbying and private interests...

Ross, while I may agree with you on this point, the law of the land does not.  Somewhere along the way, we have decided that influencing government through various private means is an exercise of free speech.

I'm curious, what are some of the plans and proposals going around to encourage economic development?  Other than "lower taxes," do you all know how/why business move to an area?  Or what kind of environment helps start businesses? 

Also, when you guys are done exacting revenge on this particular name-caller, I would like you to put my name in the forum search box, and go chase down all the people who called me all kinds of disgusting names here on this forum. 
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 17, 2014, 07:55:00 PM
     Anmar, it is quite refreshing to have your input. You are someone with an open mind and speak with intellect and to the topic. Certainly you can understand the reaction to what was said about our citizens.

    I don't think we have the situation here to promote growth in our economy any more than the rest of the country. But , we can put our efforts , and money, to the best use by supporting those mechanisms that are positive, not belittling those who question authority.

   I'm not familiar with any posts that cast you in a bad light.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Anmar on February 17, 2014, 09:08:41 PM
   I'm not familiar with any posts that cast you in a bad light.

Put my name in the search box, and see for yourself.

edit: this forum used to be a pretty hot place for people to come and debate politics.  Some people can't talk about politics without resorting to ridicule, name calling, etc.  They call it bullying now, but its really its just going out of their way to try and stifle the voices of those that don't agree with them.  A lot of those political minded debaters aren't around anymore.  I have noticed that the "bullies" (for lack of a better word) are still around. 

In a few weeks, my schedule will be a little easier, lets see if we can have some fun and stir these guys up.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 18, 2014, 09:45:53 AM
My my, Anmar, now they suddenly can't remember being so nasty to you? How convenient! I sure haven't forgotten how they verbally let you have it at every chance.  Talk about rude! Let's see what they do about it.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 18, 2014, 10:24:39 AM
       I have not let anyone "have it" except for one person in particular that refuses to address any topic without trying to prove to everyone they know it all and strays from the topic with half page posts containing a plethora of unrelated yak, yak, yak.

      I guess I am a "they" since it was I who said I wasn't familiar with attacks upon him. He may have encountered written, not verbal ( impossible to have here ) altercations with others, but not me.

      I have no doubt that Anmar will debate the topic without choosing sides and continually taking the opposite position, as his previous post to Ross shows in saying he agreed with Ross's point. Some of those on here will never admit to agreeing with anything he says.

     For me to go back and look for any nastiness would change nothing, Anmar, I'll take your word for it.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 18, 2014, 12:28:20 PM
       I have not let anyone "have it" except for one person in particular that refuses to address any topic without trying to prove to everyone they know it all and strays from the topic with half page posts containing a plethora of unrelated yak, yak, yak.


Bullwinkle that is just a figment of my imagination, nothing to be concerned with.

That figment used the excuse that it was busy as an excuse for not understanding the ethics involved in this thread. Or the lack of ethics in the e-mail.

I try real hard not to be nasty and ugly  but sometimes is near impossible.

I'm only human!

 
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: jprxmkt on February 19, 2014, 09:10:03 PM

I'm curious, what are some of the plans and proposals going around to encourage economic development?  Other than "lower taxes," do you all know how/why business move to an area?  Or what kind of environment helps start businesses? 


Regardless of what you all thought of Jennifer (please don't take this as an opportunity to bash her again) I still believe it was a very bad move to get rid of the economic development department in this county.  We now have no one for a point of contact. Sure, they can call the city offices in each town for info but seriously how effective is that.  For example, when Flint Oak brings in all those hunters, Elk county is majorly missing out on significant sales tax income because no one is there to be our "cheerleader" (for lack of a better word).  They don't have any way to know what services Elk County can provide to them.  Many are going to Eureka, Fredonia, and even
Augusta and Wichita for services that we could provide them right here at home.  Yes, it is each businesses responsibility to market themselves but there is only so much we can do.  I really think Elk County is missing out on more money than what a part time employee was costing us.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 19, 2014, 10:30:47 PM

I'm curious, what are some of the plans and proposals going around to encourage economic development?  Other than "lower taxes," do you all know how/why business move to an area?  Or what kind of environment helps start businesses? 


There never has been any plan to do any real Economic Development for Elk County, IMHO. I don’t believe there is any desire to bring any outsiders into Elk County on a permanent basis. I happen to think, if there was any desire to bring a decent size manufacturer into Elk County from California it could have been done. That would be Economic Development.

Being advertisers for retail businesses is not Economic Development. But would perhaps be the job of the Chamber of Commerce. IMHO.
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Regardless of what you all thought of Jennifer (please don't take this as an opportunity to bash her again) I still believe it was a very bad move to get rid of the economic development department in this county. 

     If discussing the job Jennifer had and did for the County is considered bashing her, don't you suppose you should avoid the subject!

   I asked Jennifer during County Commissioners meetings, what she was doing for Economic Development and what she said amounted to doing nothing more than acting the part of an information operator, a real-estate agent, or a simple internet search engine. And it was more than apparent that she was working more for Elk Konnected, LLC than the Elk County Government and the e-mail from the editor confirms that in my opinion. 

 So anyway I feel left to ask where is the growth in Elk County that is connected with her Economic Development efforts? I still see the county population retracting?

Jennifer chose to quit the job as Economic Development and consequently, as I understand it, the job was given to another employee.

Unless there is an active attitude and a real plan for real economic development and a desire to bring in outside manufacturers and real money to provide good paying jobs, I don’t see where there is the need for a Department. I do believe an Economic Development Department would consist of more than one part time employee doing some real work towards development.

I have watched the little hamburger stand in Longton perform his own economic development and I believe he is doing quite well. Also I have watched the very new veterinary business in Moline develop rather quickly. And not asking the county doing anything for them. Oh and there is the brand new liquor store in Longton that appears to be doing well!
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 19, 2014, 11:02:21 PM
     The only business being missed out on would be lodging as to hunters. Mr Devlin has a building that would accommodate that if he spent some of his millions to do it . The old bank building. Which has windows leaving debris on the sidewalk from breakage and is in need of major repair, with masonry that is deteriorating as well. OSHA would make him tear it down or fix it if they were made aware of the condition. He is quite capable of doing something to help our economic situation, but it obviously is not one of his priorities. He is quite comfortable making his money at Flint Oak. He put forth a proposal for the citizens to do the labor to restore it a while back, but the citizens didn't feel the need to make him more money.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Patriot on February 20, 2014, 10:12:59 AM
     The only business being missed out on would be lodging as to hunters. Mr Devlin has a building that would accommodate that if he spent some of his millions to do it . The old bank building. Which has windows leaving debris on the sidewalk from breakage and is in need of major repair, with masonry that is deteriorating as well. OSHA would make him tear it down or fix it if they were made aware of the condition. He is quite capable of doing something to help our economic situation, but it obviously is not one of his priorities. He is quite comfortable making his money at Flint Oak. He put forth a proposal for the citizens to do the labor to restore it a while back, but the citizens didn't feel the need to make him more money.

And, absent 'volunteer labor' and special tax incentives (read exemptions from property taxes) that isn't likely going to happen.  When the elites & statists begin dumping their own money into such projects instead of looking for special tax treatment and free labor, I'll have more empathy.

Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: nykkylsdymes on February 20, 2014, 10:36:09 AM
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I still believe it was a very bad move to get rid of the economic development department in this county.  We now have no one for a point of contact. Sure, they can call the city offices in each town for info but seriously how effective is that.

It is their job to promote their city,isn't it?  If it is not effective then we all need to elect better people, don't you think?


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Elk county is majorly missing out on significant sales tax income because no one is there to be our "cheerleader" (for lack of a better word).

The significant sales tax that those wonderful hunters provide our county has not changed in 12 months I bet.  Has your bottom line changed and can you tie that to those hunters?  I doubt it.  Many of those hunters that do shop elsewhere is because they live elsewhere and bring what they need in.  The weekend warriors come out on the weekend not to shop in Elk County.  This is not what this county is known for. 

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Unless there is an active attitude and a real plan for real economic development and a desire to bring in outside manufacturers and real money to provide good paying jobs, I don’t see where there is the need for a Department. I do believe an Economic Development Department would consist of more than one part time employee doing some real work towards development.

Ross nails it.  Without a plan of some kind we are all stumbling around and not getting anywhere.
 

Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 20, 2014, 12:52:29 PM
Bull, I'm gonna teach you something. Not in malace, but for your education and so others might learn something also.  You are still willing to learn "new" things, right? ;)
    Yes, one can have a "verbal" response in written form.  I partially quote Cynthia Messon from" E-how."
 "Believe it or not, writing is considered a form of verbal communication because words are involved." The writing can be in electronic form, e-mails, books, faxes (et al) and any other item that contains a written message is considered verbal communation." Raising hands or waving arms is an unwritten form of communication because no words are used.
Now see what you learned, just because you poked me without knowing you were incorrect. Speaking of thin skin.....I almost sent this as a PM, but I figured, what the hey, you never miss a chance to  poke me in public, why skip the fun.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 20, 2014, 02:53:19 PM
Ross nails it.  Without a plan of some kind we are all stumbling around and not getting anywhere.

  Careful there nykkylsdymes ya might give me a big head.
I ain't to bright, I just screw up once in a while and say something right!

Most of my life has been to deal with things as they come up and when it came to dealing with people I tried to concentrate on ethics and attitude. Also I was born into a dirt poor family with ten kids so I did without a whole lot throughout my life, so I thoroughly believe in "Waste Not, Want not".

And I don't consider myself the least bit greedy for fame nor fortune.
And consequently I don't believe in taking advantage of others and that includes taxation to feather someone's bonnet.

I happen to like Elk County the way it is, however if someone came up with a sensible way to stimulate growth and that is what the majority of people wanted, I would be supportive of it.

However, if it is just a privately owned LLC that attempts to manipulate people and operates secretively and only for their own profit or gain, I have a problem with that.

I have not recognized an attitude of wanting growth in Elk County but I have recognized the attitude of control by a very few and mostly fueled by what I consider lies and B.S.

You see there is always more than one solution to most any problem and being elite is not one of them IMO.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 20, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
       What is a judge going to tell you when you say you had a "verbal" agreement and not a "written" one, Jane Curtin.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 20, 2014, 04:46:00 PM
Bull, I'm gonna teach you something. Not in malace, but for your education and so others might learn something also.  You are still willing to learn "new" things, right? ;)
    Yes, one can have a "verbal" response in written form.  I partially quote Cynthia Messon from" E-how."
 "Believe it or not, writing is considered a form of verbal communication because words are involved." The writing can be in electronic form, e-mails, books, faxes (et al) and any other item that contains a written message is considered verbal communation." Raising hands or waving arms is an unwritten form of communication because no words are used.
Now see what you learned, just because you poked me without knowing you were incorrect. Speaking of thin skin.....I almost sent this as a PM, but I figured, what the hey, you never miss a chance to  poke me in public, why skip the fun.

Diane you appear to be teaching the wrong thing, I'd suggest you stick to studying a good English dictionary before teaching any further.


So you consider Cynthia Messon from" E-how" some kind of Expert. She also wrote How to Remove Nail Polish Stains From a Rug on By Cynthia Measom, eHow Contributor. That Is just a plain pathetic! Using someone as an expert who simply writes all over the Internet on what ever subject they choose to write on. She is a nobody! I learned years ago to be careful what advice I read on the Internet.

There appears to be, from the definition of each word to a considerable misunderstanding of the English  language as if it were a foreign language.
 
I sure hope you weren't teaching English to children in school!

Here are the definitions Diane according to the proper experts on the English language:
Both definitions from Merriam-Webster

1 ver·bal adjective \ˈvər-bəl\ 

: relating to or consisting of words

: spoken rather than written

: relating to or formed from a verb


2:  something written: as 

a :  letters or characters that serve as visible signs of ideas, words, or symbols

the activity or skill of marking coherent words on paper and composing text.
"parents want schools to concentrate on reading, writing, and arithmetic"


See the big difference between just someone on the internet quoted with no internet link and Merriam Webster.

Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 21, 2014, 10:57:11 AM
Well shucks, I can't have any fun at all. ;D  I can't quote or reference myself can I? Wanna read some of my college papers? NO? Well, I'm not surprised. ;)
 There are plenty of other articles explaining in even more detail the differences and similarities between written, verbal, non verbal and oral communication. I grabbed the first one because she is so funny...but correct in that case. I don't plan on talking to any judges, as all my judge friends have retired, but in the context for which I was criticized, I'd have no problem explaining it.
Verbal communication can indeed be written. It uses words. Oral communication may be verbal if it uses words, or non verbal if it uses voice, but not necessarily words, or uses some other manner of getting notice. It could be grunts or other vocal sounds, or creating non verbal sounds such as clapping or even ringing a bell. Ask any elementary teacher, speech teacher, college English teacher, author or lawyer. You sure you want to keep on? You are getting deep into my professional territory. :angel:
 Getting into law is another whole thing. The parameters have to be set so all parties understand the meanings of the terms as they would be used in court. Any lawyer will be glad to clarify that.   Bored yet? Short attention span? Teachers and communications majors would slurp this up. Most others could care less. Right Bull? But then again, I don't back down from unnecessary criticism when you brought it up.. OK ,insult me again if it makes you feel better. :'(
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 21, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
Well shucks, I can't have any fun at all. ;D  I can't quote or reference myself can I? Wanna read some of my college papers? NO? Well, I'm not surprised. ;)
 There are plenty of other articles explaining in even more detail the differences and similarities between written, verbal, non verbal and oral communication. I grabbed the first one because she is so funny...but correct in that case. I don't plan on talking to any judges, as all my judge friend have retired, but in the context for which I was criticized, I'd have no problem explaining it.
Verbal communication can indeed be written. It uses words. Oral communication may be verbal if it uses words, or non verbal if it uses voice, but not necessarily words, or uses some other manner of getting notice. It could be grunts or other vocal sounds, or creating non verbal sounds such as clapping or even ringing a bell. Ask any elementary teacher, speech teacher, college English teacher, author or lawyer. You sure you want to keep on? You are getting deep into my professional territory. :angel:
 Getting into law is another whole thing. The parameters have to be set so all parties understand the meanings of the terms as they would be used in court. Any lawyer will be glad to clarify that.   Bored yet? Short attention span? Teachers and communications majors would slurp this up. Most others could care less. Right Bull? But then again, I don't back down from unnecessary criticism when you brought it up.. OK ,insult me again if it makes you feel better. :'(

Diane I sur gotta hand it to you sure know how to destroy a thread!
Outstanding job too, with all that gibberish!
Dat sum college degree, Ya'all got there.
Have yerselfa gooder weekender.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 21, 2014, 06:36:07 PM
Yup, I read your post 'cause I had a feeling you couldn't miss taking another  smack at me again. So I personally distroyed this thread? Ya mean the one that took off on its own wings back on reply # two and coughed and sputtered around awhile without gaining any momentum? Wow, I didn't know I was that powerful.   Back to "ignore."
 
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 21, 2014, 06:38:31 PM
    If what you call fun is making yet another thread about yourself, Booyah. Obviously, you can't accept what our legal system deems proper English, but then not so long ago we were dealing with "Spanglish".

   Until someone returns to topic, I will go elsewhere. You are a huge egotist, and the reason why many people no longer post. Yes, you are quite boring. If it is an insult to be corrected, so be it.

   Your professional territory? It is to laugh. Another narcissist statement. The world is full of so-called English majors, which happens to be my major as well. Take another shot , or make good on your claim to ignore, again.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 21, 2014, 07:04:44 PM
Sorry, I was not an English Major, but needed to know all that to teach. If you honestly think confusing lawyer speak is proper English, more power to ya.  Now as far as the title of this thread... I sure didn't start it. It had nothing to do with me...all about you few and trying to hurt someone. No where does it say nobody can have an opinion but you few CCTPs.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 21, 2014, 07:06:22 PM
     Oh, and before you put your corpulent foot in your portly trap. Roget's Thesaurus- verbal; spoken,oral;unwritten.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 21, 2014, 07:10:43 PM
   It is obvious you were not an English major, though you position yourself as such. My professors stressed the use of the proper word to express what you are trying to emote. You have no such capability. Not a good example for the University of Delaware producing good teachers.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 21, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
     As well, you should have said "nowhere" does it say "no one". Not no where does it say nobody.



    It is true, you can't teach an old dog new tricks, or proper English.

    Lawyer speak? The judicial system prides itself on proper Kings English.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Bullwinkle on February 21, 2014, 08:10:07 PM
   
Getting back to topic. Anmar, would you excuse people of influence for calling you unsociable idiots and boobs simply because you don't agree with their methods? I think not. You seem to be much more educated than that. I don't know your background with the county, but you certainly aren't one to go with the powers that be. Tell us what you think. Please.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Patriot on February 21, 2014, 10:33:32 PM
Now as far as the title of this thread... I sure didn't start it. It had nothing to do with me...

No, you didn't start it, and it didn't have anything to do with you.... until you (and I suspect your puppet masters) dropped by and made it all about you. I opine that makes you a sad, sad excuse for... whatever.  Once again, it appears the codependent Victim rides on the winds of other folks discussions.


Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 22, 2014, 09:56:41 AM
 Watch out, long one ahead.Put your hard hat on. You were warned. ;)
O K, fine. We'll all say that you and Bull and Ross know everything about everything, and even what you don't know isn't worth knowing or learning about. I guess that'll make ya happy.  Grammar doesn't count. Spelling doesn't count. Known facts don't count. Go ahead, make it up as you go. Who's gonna  bother ya? Most of you write nothing but one form of complaint or another now anyway...repeated over and over and over in some cases. A judge would never tolerate that in court either.
Yes, I'm off topic right along with a bunch of others.  How about some of you who write poorly? If what you are trying to say can't be understood, it won't be your fault. It'll be the readers' fault for being too dumb to figure it out. ;D ;D ;D ;D  Except it's the ones who write poorly who have terrible reading comprehension too. Yes, it's easy to tell who doesn't have much education but tries hard to be understood and those who don't care. Are we supposed to write at second grade comprehension level and then be criticized for that too?
 Make us do our home work ya say, but don't expect anyone to ask you to do yours! (but ya did) There is that double standard again.  You expect much more from us than you do from yourselves. You slam us around, but some rule says we can't hit back ? What, ya think we're all Quakers? 8)
 Then what? Nothing like trying to make people think that Rudy was talking about each of you when no names were used. (Of course he shouldn't have, but you are so tickled to have gotten something on him.)  What kind of character does that represent? Yup, antisocial!
 Speaking about the shoe fitting? Why so defensive? I might understand it if was election time. You folks are known for calling some of us nasty names even though you were asked not to, and are unnecessarily critical, but others can't do the same? He didn't attack any of you on the forum. He left here years ago. I won't gossip as to why.
 Now the thing with Jennifer might have some merit, but who of you knows her exact job description or what her superiors had told her to do? Do you plan to find out?
 As for Rudy, you can simply not buy that paper. Was it really worth starting a slam Rudy thread? Apparently you few think so. Fine, but don't call me names over it, please.  You have been asked and told before to cut it out. I do have the right to be heard (seen, good grief.) and have an opinion.
 Puppet masters? What the he** are you talking about?  That is sick.
 Bull, you do strange things with ";"  By the way, there is nothing wrong with  "nobody." I should have caught "no where" though. You are correct on that one.
See? I told you I know everything, but not perfectly. For an important paper or newspaper article I'd have written more formally and proof read it several times. Bye, things to do.( informal writing)
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 22, 2014, 12:06:55 PM
Watch out, long one ahead.Put your hard hat on. You were warned. ;)
O K, fine. We'll all say that you and Bull and Ross know everything about everything, and even what you don't know isn't worth knowing or learning about. I guess that'll make ya happy.  Grammar doesn't count. Spelling doesn't count. Known facts don't count. Go ahead, make it up as you go. Who's gonna  bother ya? Most of you write nothing but one form of complaint or another now anyway...repeated over and over and over in some cases. A judge would never tolerate that in court either.

This is always your response it seems especially if you are talking in defense of Elk Konnected, LLC.
Which makes you in your mind a victim because no one else thinks you are a victim.
Perhaps with that warning, "Watch out, long one ahead.Put your hard hat on. You were warned. ;)" , (you might add my guilt trip for you, even though it doesn't work)


Yes, I'm off topic right along with a bunch of others.  How about some of you who write poorly? If what you are trying to say can't be understood, it won't be your fault. It'll be the readers' fault for being too dumb to figure it out. ;D ;D ;D ;D  Except its the ones who write poorly who have terrible reading comprehension too. Yes, it's easy to tell who doesn't have much education but tries hard to be understood and those who don't care. Are we supposed to write at second grade comprehension level and then be criticized for that too?
 Make us do our home work ya say, but don't expect anyone to ask you to do yours! (but ya did) There is that double standard again.  You expect much more from us than you do from yourselves. You slam us around, but some rule says we can't hit back ? What, ya think we're all Quakers? 8).
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This is just a continuation of your self pity and lack of comprehension. You have truly earned my pity. Perhaps the colleges you may have attended might refund some of your money if you write them a polite letter asking?


 
Then what? Nothing like trying to make people think that Rudy was talking about each of you when no names were used. (Of course he shouldn't have, but you are so tickled to have gotten something on him.)  What kind of character does that represent? Yup, antisocial!

We have nothing on Rudy, Rudy simply showed his true colors, his true personality IMHO!
He made his statement rather general didn't he? And we do have a general public, don't we?
You alleviate nothing!

 
Yup, antisocial!
Yep, on the part of Rudy,
not the local folks on here having a social visit about a bad attitude, unlike the anti-social attitude of
"poor me, I'm a victim because I say so.

 
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 Speaking about the shoe fitting? Why so defensive? I might understand it if was election time.


Who is so defensive except you> We have been having a local social discussion.

And Surly you can't be that stupid?  Or is it you think every one in Elk County is stupid? 

Oh, no!
You do recognize it is an election year, You almost got me there.

We have elections coming up.
School Board and County Commissioner elections.
And possibly a special School Bond Issue that will cost our students approximately $3000.00  for something the School Board has already said will not pass. So why are these so called educated people wasting our children's money?

 
BECAUSE THEY CAN !


And, I have heard through the grapevine that Elk Konnected, LLC has already chosen some people to run In a couple of positions. I tend to believe it, because with another position on the County Commissioners, Elk Konnected, LLC would regain control of the County by owning two out of every three votes. Yes. It is an election year.

And the School Board needs a few more Elk Konnected, LLC members on it, doesn't it?
Heck if they accomplish that, they could almost bulldoze West Elk USD and build a real monument for someone, right?

 
You folks are known for calling some of us nasty names even though you were asked not to, and are unnecessarily critical, but others can't do the same? He didn't attack any of you on the forum. He left here years ago. I won't gossip as to why.


How sweet of you Diane, saying I won't gossip, even though that is what you just did, you just didn't mention a name and also do not show evidence of a semblance of truth. Nice try, it just doesn't fly. Sounds at least like a Static Konnection or a form of phobia to me.

 
Now the thing with Jennifer might have some merit, but who of you knows her exact job description or what her superiors had told her to do? Do you plan to find out?


Would that be her superiors from Elk Konnected, LLC when they had controlling power of the Elk County Government or the decent people that wrested control back to the people.

Can you show me anywhere a job description says to use government equipment physical or intelligent  type communicating behind their employers back either as recipient of sender? Please explain your thinking on that, if you can?

 
As for Rudy, you can simply not buy that paper. Was it really worth starting a slam Rudy thread? Apparently you few think so. Fine, but don't call me names over it, please.  You have been asked and told before to cut it out. I do have the right to be heard (seen, good grief.) and have an opinion.

I REPEAT, we did not slam Rudy. 
Rudy did that himself, Plain and simple.
We have only been having a social discussion here in Elk County .
However, we have someone from Delaware who thinks she knows better.
I suppose someone from out of county, out of the region, plum out of the State may not comprehend that.
Because, those that she thinks accepts her as a follower are incapable of speaking for themselves.
So they use her.
And she doesn't know she is being used.
She has really earned my pity.

Puppet masters? What the he** are you talking about?  That is sick.
 Bull, you do strange things with ";"  By the way, there is nothing wrong with  "nobody." I should have caught "no where" though. You are correct on that one.
See? I told you I know everything, but not perfectly. For an important paper or newspaper article I'd have written more formally and proof read it several times. Bye, things to do.( informal writing)

I think you are right, sick.
And you have no comprehension of the situation
From way up there
in Delaware.
"ROFLMAO"

"I'm a poet
And my feet show it
They are
LONGFELLOWS"

Please continue reading and try to comprehend. Thank you!

I'm deaf but I heard and I listened. I also read the writing, the typing, the symbols on the paper and on the on the computer screen. You should try it!

Sure Rudy has a right to voice his opinion, but that is not what this is about. This is about him using an Elk County Employee to back Stab the citizens of Elk County through a County email program.

He never expected the email to go public, I guess he must have figured taxpayer owned devices and emails are private and not public information. He need to reread his latest editorial on social media and apply that information to email and publicly owned equipment and email.
 
But it definitely in my opinion, shows the continued workings and negative attitude of Elk Konnected, LLC .

Wake up,

                        1. Rudy has expressed his affiliation with Elk Konnected, LLC .                        2. He addressed the email to an Elk County Employee who has been a long time          member
                                 of Elk Konnected, LLC and a member of the Elk Konnected, LLC Steering Committee.
                        3. Rudy also brought in the Founding member and Steering Committee member of
                                of Elk Konnected, LLC

Of course this is just my opinion and my opinion is made publicly, not privately on Government equipment and expected to be kept secret.

This was not expressing his opinion, this was back stabbing everyone in Elk County with the exception of what he might consider the elite.

Do you Diane think, this is the kind of thing that you Elk Konnected, LLC FOLLOWERS believe to be a positive attitude?

 Every where I have ever worked or ever been this type of action was referred to as back stabbing.  How long has this back stabbing been going on and how long will it continue?

Those are the main questions on my mind.
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Diane Amberg on February 22, 2014, 03:02:55 PM
I ignored Ross's post above me so I have no idea what it says.
 I went back and listened to the commissioner read the text from the phone several more times.(very scratchy) I listened as carefully as I could, and it seems Rudy was saying that the commissioners had been listening to ''the boobs and unsociable idiots." I didn't hear the words "cave people" used by anyone.  So then why does someone add cave people to the thread title,( speaking of having their own agenda,) and embellish what was was actually said? It's not quite a quote, but many could think it was.  The commissioner who read it also said he had had the e-mail for awhile. I wonder what had happened in the near past that caused such up set.  Was something distasteful up for a vote? But mainly, wouldn't have been more honest and less oily to have left the insults as they stood? Why feed the fire by adding an insult that wasn't there? 
Title: Re: To the Boobs, Unsociable Idiots & CAVE people of Elk County.
Post by: Ross on February 22, 2014, 05:31:23 PM
I ignored Ross's post above me so I have no idea what it says.
 


Sure you did,
                    we all believe that.
                                                 Oh yes we do!


Thanks for all you for me Diane !
                                               You are a terrific sounding board!

Now do you realize how easy it is to be used?

Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies!

Bye-bye Figment, until next time. LOL