A top Department of Homeland Security official reportedly said his agency will not necessarily process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
John Morton, assistant secretary of homeland security for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, made the comment during a meeting on Wednesday with the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune, the newspaper reports.
"I don't think the Arizona law, or laws like it, are the solution," Morton told the newspaper.
The best way to reduce illegal immigration is through a comprehensive federal approach, he said, and not a patchwork of state laws.
Immigrant rights' supporters around the country took to the streets on May 1 to protest Arizona's new immigration law which seeks to identify, prosecute and deport illegal immigrants. Take a look at the massive protests.
The law, which criminalizes being in the state illegally and requires authorities to check suspects for immigration status, is not "good government," Morton said.
In response to Morton's comments, DHS officials said President Obama has ordered the Department of Justice to examine the civil rights and other implications of the law.
"That review will inform the government's actions going forward," DHS spokesman Matt Chandler told Fox News on Friday.
Fox News legal analyst Judge Andrew Napolitano said ICE is not obligated to process illegal immigrants referred to them by Arizona authorities.
"ICE has the legal discretion to accept or not to accept persons delivered to it by non-federal personnel," Napolitano said. "It also has the discretion to deport or not to deport persons delivered to it by any government agents, even its own."
Morton, according to a biography posted on ICE's website, began his federal service in 1994 and has held numerous positions at the Department of Justice, including as a trial attorney and special assistant to the general counsel in the former Immigration and Naturalization Service and as counsel to the deputy attorney general.
Border apprehensions in Arizona, where roughly 500,000 illegal immigrants are estimated to be living, are up 6 percent since October, according to federal statistics
. Roughly 6.5 million residents live in Arizona.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-AL, said it appeared the Obama administration is "nullifying existing law" and suggested Morton may not be the right person for his post if he fails to enforce federal immigration law.
"If he feels he cannot enforce the law, he shouldn't have the job," Sessions told Fox News. "That makes him, in my view, not fulfilling the responsibilities of his office."
Sessions said the U.S. government has "systematically failed" to enforce federal immigration law and claimed Morton's statement is an indication that federal officials do not plan on working with Arizona authorities regarding its controversial law.
"They're telegraphing to every ICE agency in America that they really don't intend on cooperating with Arizona," Sessions said. "The federal government should step up and do it. It's their responsibility."
But what about the people who want the Feds to basically butt out of the states' business? The Feds just tossed it back and that doesn't suit either? What next?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 21, 2010, 05:51:24 PM
But what about the people who want the Feds to basically butt out of the states' business? The Feds just tossed it back and that doesn't suit either? What next?
Excuse me diane, This is the fed govts responsibility. Part of securing our borders, defending the nation as a whole. Thats why they call it the border. What everyone is demanding the feds get out of is, siezing control of businesses, banking, wallstreet, our health industry, our education, and the list goes on and on. They need to get back to doing their job which is NOT controlling the states business on a national level.
I don't disagree but it seems whatever I say someone will argue with it. It seems rather late in coming after many years and rather inside out.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 21, 2010, 09:46:48 PM
I don't disagree but it seems whatever I say someone will argue with it. It seems rather late in coming after many years and rather inside out.
You know maybe it is late, but it doesn't really matter now does it. The law has been semi followed for the last decade or so since clinton took office, but now the administration is ignoring the law completely. Its time for the feds to DO the job that is delegated to them.
Why are we spending billions on Dept of Homeland Security when they are not securing our border? SHoot they are wasting 8 million dollars and stealing a farmers 5 acres up near canada somewhere, where only 40 cars a day cross. what crack is napolitano smoking??
Really, I don't disagree but how do they pay for it? Reallocate existing funds? Or raise taxes? Now that would be real popular!Then what? Our prisons here are overcrowded as it is. Do we build new federal facilities and at what cost? Even tents cost money. Then food ,clothes etc. Then they have to go through an already crowded court system, takes too much time. Very expensive no matter how it is done. OK, so we deport them... how, to where and to whom? Is Mexico going to cooperate? If they are dropped off just over the border they'll come right back. What about the "coyotes" who make a living transporting them? How do we clean them up? In the meantime the schools and hospitals and all seem to be stuck and won't say no and I'm not sure why. (If the states themselves won't get their act together, how can the feds do anything?) So the feds better be coming up with money to subsidize those kids just as we got a stipend for the education of the military kids. Some states are issuing drivers licenses? Why? How does that help? There is a mismatch here I don't understand. It seems some state groups are harboring them and others are trying to do something about the problem. They better all get together on this.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 22, 2010, 08:30:34 AM
Really, I don't disagree but how do they pay for it?
Like Dept of homeland security doesnt' have waste spending....But to answer you question, What does the government do that has no constitutional authority. Lets see, National institute of Art recieves millions upon millions of dollars that they use to buy these butt ugly "pieces of art" and i use that term very loosely that sit outside of courthouses and government buildings. These so called recipient artists could not make it in the real world as a serious artist so the government decided to buy their uhmm creations since the market knows what art is and is not.
Then you can find more money in the department of ed, which is nothing but a black hole for money cause it does absolutely nothing to further education.
Those are just two areas we could find the money.
QuoteReallocate existing funds?
Thats a start.
QuoteOr raise taxes?
No need for that if we reallocate money.
QuoteOur prisons here are overcrowded as it is.
Ok, and the problem is? If theres space on a floor theres space for a prisoner. They are in PRISON not the hilton. Personal space is a luxury that is not afforded prisoners.
QuoteEven tents cost money.
Tents are cheaper than concrete.
QuoteThen food
Baloney and pb&j. Why not corn mush and bread? Oh heres a novel idea, why not put the illegals that are serving out their prison terms to work growing the food for the prison! :O nahhh thats too easy you know.
Quote,clothes etc.
NOt that big a problem. Lets see, you can buy clothes in bales and bulk for pennies on the dollar. put them in a washer and dye them pink or whatever color and distribute them out.
QuoteThen they have to go through an already crowded court system, takes too much time.
well we already have to send em to court as it is.
QuoteOK, so we deport them... how, to where and to whom? Is Mexico going to cooperate? If they are dropped off just over the border they'll come right back.
IF they come back, its a second offense. or third. Sentence them accordingly. First offense, 6 mo -1 year in jail. 2nd offence 5 years. Third offence 10 years. Before long its not worth the risk for them to come back.
QuoteWhat about the "coyotes" who make a living transporting them? How do we clean them up?
Shoot them. THeir smugglers, be it drugs or people. Make the penalty for smuggling not worth the risk of getting caught.
QuoteIn the meantime the schools and hospitals and all seem to be stuck and won't say no and I'm not sure why.
ITs relatively simple. Deny services. IF you are illegal you don't get squat. IF you are illegal and wish to pay for it out of your own pocket, then thats fine.
Quote(If the states themselves won't get their act together, how can the feds do anything?)
The states have been trying to get something done but the FEDS will not do their job. but thats about to change. Arizona fired the first shot. Many other states will join after Arizona is successful in their goal such as forcing the feds hands into securing our border or Arizona is successsful in doing it themselves. Either way, once something happens, the rest of the states are going to jump in on it.
QuoteSo the feds better be coming up with money to subsidize those kids just as we got a stipend for the education of the military kids.
WHy subsidize the kids? not our problem.
QuoteSome states are issuing drivers licenses? Why? How does that help? There is a mismatch here I don't understand. It seems some state groups are harboring them and others are trying to do something about the problem. They better all get together on this.
Your right some states are harboring criminals. California is one.
Quote from: srkruzich on May 22, 2010, 08:53:09 AM
Like Dept of homeland security doesnt' have waste spending....But to answer you question, What does the government do that has no constitutional authority. Lets see, National institute of Art recieves millions upon millions of dollars that they use to buy these butt ugly "pieces of art" and i use that term very loosely that sit outside of courthouses and government buildings. These so called recipient artists could not make it in the real world as a serious artist so the government decided to buy their uhmm creations since the market knows what art is and is not.
Then you can find more money in the department of ed, which is nothing but a black hole for money cause it does absolutely nothing to further education.
Those are just two areas we could find the money.
Thats a start.
No need for that if we reallocate money.
Ok, and the problem is? If theres space on a floor theres space for a prisoner. They are in PRISON not the hilton. Personal space is a luxury that is not afforded prisoners.
Tents are cheaper than concrete.
Baloney and pb&j. Why not corn mush and bread? Oh heres a novel idea, why not put the illegals that are serving out their prison terms to work growing the food for the prison! :O nahhh thats too easy you know.
NOt that big a problem. Lets see, you can buy clothes in bales and bulk for pennies on the dollar. put them in a washer and dye them pink or whatever color and distribute them out.
well we already have to send em to court as it is.
IF they come back, its a second offense. or third. Sentence them accordingly. First offense, 6 mo -1 year in jail. 2nd offence 5 years. Third offence 10 years. Before long its not worth the risk for them to come back.
Shoot them. THeir smugglers, be it drugs or people. Make the penalty for smuggling not worth the risk of getting caught.
ITs relatively simple. Deny services. IF you are illegal you don't get squat. IF you are illegal and wish to pay for it out of your own pocket, then thats fine.
The states have been trying to get something done but the FEDS will not do their job. but thats about to change. Arizona fired the first shot. Many other states will join after Arizona is successful in their goal such as forcing the feds hands into securing our border or Arizona is successsful in doing it themselves. Either way, once something happens, the rest of the states are going to jump in on it.
WHy subsidize the kids? not our problem.
Your right some states are harboring criminals. California is one.
Wonderful display of human kindness. They're children for Christ's sake, some Christian you are.
Are there some new standards for Christians that we have not heard about?
Quote from: jerry wagner on May 22, 2010, 09:36:23 AM
Wonderful display of human kindness. They're children for Christ's sake, some Christian you are.
First of all, you don't know my relationship with God, so your not able to make that judgement. Secondly, so what if their children? i get tired of hearing ohhh the children and then everyone goes awwweee lets spend some of joes money over there he's got more money than he knows what to do with, so lets take it and spend it on the children!
I quite frankly am tired of it. Not my problem anymore. We have our own children, American children born of American parents that are starving cause they can't get any help because the ILLGEALS are taking their food.
We take care of our own people first, then and only then if we have any extra we can spare, then take care of some other folks.
Charity begins at home, not the whole damn world
Quote from: redcliffsw on May 22, 2010, 09:49:16 AM
Are there some new standards for Christians that we have not heard about?
Really!
Matthew 25: 31-46..... Now,how are illegals taking food from American poor children? Where is that happening? Proof please? I'm certainly not pro illegal, but I've never seen or known of any cases where American poor children were turned away in favor of illegal children. Sounds too much like an emotional response to prop up an inaccurate concept. Where did you get that?
The what about the children or in jerrys case They're Children for christs sake is nothing but emotional blackmail. Doesn't work on me anymore either. You can't save every kid, and like i said before take care of our own first.
But to answer your question Dianne, If your a illegal, DFACs doesn't require birth certificates, ssnumbers, or indentification. if your american your children have to have those documents before they get anything.
there is preferential treatment of illegals over Americans.
I'm lost I guess. Why wouldn't American poor children have the same paperwork as any other American children? Birth certificates are given to the parents or mother, SS numbers are issued at birth now. I don't understand what you are driving at. Even soup kitchens don't ask for identification from anybody, American or otherwise.... Nor do food banks or church food cupboards that I know of.
Look..... you two can banter this thing around all you want but, the real answer to the illegal problem is simple as hell... Warph's Plan:
1. Enact laws ensuring that employers who hire illegals will be punished harshly enough to deter the behavior... believe me, this will take the illegals' jobs away.
2. Enact laws prohibiting illegals from receiving any government benefits... period.
3. Eliminate the standard that confers citizenship on children born to illegals on our soil.
Just these three measures alone will eliminate the illegal incentive to be here, causing most to return to where they belong. But this is just the removal of the carrot.... now we need application of the stick.
4. Enact a law stating that any alien caught on our soil beyond a certain date will be subject to very severe criminal penalties.
5. Enact a law stating that... in addition.. if they are found in the US after that certain date, they will forevermore be prohibited from entering our nation ever again.... PERIOD!
Understand that these measures will so greatly reduce the number of illegals.... my guess is by 90%.... that taking legal action against the lawbreakers who remain will simply be a matter of eliminating a few stragglers. The beauty of this plan is that it eliminates another excuse: "We'll never stop illegals from coming here anyway." Once America has been transformed from a big carrot into a big stick, they'll stop picking on our vegetable. Border enforcement would still be necessary, but only for the purposes of keeping true miscreants out, people such as terrorists, drugs and criminal gangs.
Okay.... lets look at Mexico and see see how they do things when it come to immigration:
Let us say that two people... let's call them Diane and Steve.... meet each other at a election campaign rally for ex-VP Biden who's running for New Castle County Dog Catcher. After many hours over many beers, the two decide to swim across the Rio Grande River into Mexico, hoping to find a better life style for themselves now that Obama totally screwed up their lives. Two weeks later the pair are caught by the Federales, working as landscapers for a rich drug lord near Nuevo Larado.
Now... let's examine how Mexico will treat Diane and Steve and their alien status:
- Immigrants and foreign visitors are banned from public political discourse.
- Immigrants and foreigners are denied certain basic property rights.
- Immigrants are denied equal employment rights.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens will never be treated as real Mexican citizens.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens are not to be trusted in public service.
- Immigrants and naturalized citizens may never become members of the clergy.
- Private citizens may make citizens arrests of lawbreakers like Steve and Diane (i.e., illegal immigrants) and hand them to the authorities.
- Immigrants may be expelled from Mexico for any reason and without due process.
Hmmm... not looking good for Diane and Steve, is it? Even if the pair came across into Mexico legally, they'll wind up as third class peons according to Mexican Law. Well, the good news is, that it looks like the two are heading back to the good ol' US of A when they get out of that Mexican Jail in 2020.
Now, lets check the Mexican Constitution and see what it has to say.
The Mexican constitution: Unfriendly to immigrants (oh-oh)
http://www.oas.org/juridico/Mla/en/mex/en_mex-int-text-const.pdf
The Mexican constitution expressly forbids non-citizens to participate in the country's political life. Non-citizens are forbidden to participate in demonstrations or express opinions in public about domestic politics.
Article 9 states: Only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.
Article 33 is unambiguous: Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.
So.... the Mexican constitution guarantees that immigrants will never be treated as real Mexican citizens, even if they are legally naturalized. If you ask me, the United States should impose the same restrictions on Mexican immigrants that Mexico imposes on American immigrants.
3+ Million Illegal Immigrants Enter U.S. Yearly... if something isn't done - soon (like 10 years ago) - to change the border situation, in 10 more years, 30+ Million more illegals will have crossed the border adding to the 12 to 20+ Million already here in U.S. This is starting to become a socio-economic burden the United States will not be able to sustain. Sadly, the greatest loss suffered will be experienced by the American people!
What needs to be done is Americans need to vote 90 percent of Congressional incumbents out of their seats in November if this country ever hopes to secure its borders. Join www.numbersusa.com ; www.capsweb.org; www.fairus.org ; www.thesocialcontract.com in order to make your voice heard.
Lemmee see now... where did I leave my horse and rifle...
....Warph
Failing to pass citizenship to minor children born here is wrong. It violates the UN treaty as well as common basic decency in ensuring that children are not born without citizenship to a country as some countries require children to be born on their soil or in the first or second generation born abroad.
Quote from: jerry wagner on May 23, 2010, 06:08:25 AM
Failing to pass citizenship to minor children born here is wrong. It violates the UN treaty as well as common basic decency in ensuring that children are not born without citizenship to a country as some countries require children to be born on their soil or in the first or second generation born abroad.
Who cares what the UN wants. The UN is not our country nor does it have any control over American citizens. You really want us to give the UN credibility when they do things like make iran in charge of womens rights? LOL ROTFLMBO.....
Amen to that, Steve. The UN, what a joke !!
;D Well now. First, we don't have a dog catcher, we use the SPCA and rescue groups. I don't drink beer...,If I cross the Rio Grande near Juarez I could easily walk across, not swim. I'm an American with money, so I could bribe most anybody for anything. ( The peso is only worth about 7cents) I speak passable Spanish and I have friends who who have middle class Mexican relatives who could help me and other American friends who live there now, so I could drop their names...I'd do OK. That drug lord would have already bribed the locals and his place has a high wall all around it with guards so I'd be safe there and probably even live on the property because I'm so likeable.
But you are right, their situation is much different and they don't care what we think any more than Steve cares what they think. Besides I could probably hide out with the families whose jobs moved to Mexico several years ago. ;) WARPH, I agree with your #1-5, but a couple would be very hard to enforce. Mexico is a beautiful country and has many, many wonderful people who are doctors, lawyers, teachers etc. just as we are. They are not the ones causing all the trouble at the border and over the border.
I am sometimes amazed by all of my good friends on this forum with their views and opinions and solutions to problems plaguing our country. What amazes me about this particular thread is that none of you have come up with the obvious solution.
The United States should (1) spend all the money we are currently giving away to buy the entire country of Mexico, or, (2) declare war on Mexico and conquer it and make it a part of the United States.
End results? If Mexico becomes part of the United States then there are no illegal immigrants. They can remain where they are and still get U.S. government assistance and welfare without having to cross a border. The southern border of Mexico with Guatemala and British Honduras is definitely shorter than the border of the United States and Mexico and therefore, easier to defend. The current administration could step in and nationalize the drug trade and makes billions of dollars. With all the money we would throw at them, the quality of life would increase allowing for those people to remain where they are and take away the temptation to move north. Mexico's tourism industry would skyrocket as the United States could better control the crime rate and open up the resorts which you would not need a passport to visit. The possiblities are endless.
What do ya think?
Larryj
LOL!
Love it! With the rate of exchange what is right now we could buy them cheap! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Only one problem Larry. If we won't control our southern border now, what makes you think we would control the border between BH and Guatemala ? Just remember, all the poor people south of there are just hard working, honest people wanting a better life for their families---except the MS-13 and the other criminals.
I'd hate to have to have the patience and the money to try to come in legally. I have an acquaintance from China who got his green card 5 years ago after a 2 year wait, and $4,500.00 in fees and lawyers. He explained about the 3 steps of the green card. Not until the 3rd step can you have an "unlimited" green card that isn't attached to a job. That takes time too. He said a great many people wait 3 years or more and it's very inconsistent. (He's a very well educated academic, not an unskilled day laborer.) I know another girl from Panama who is going through the process now. She's been at it for several years and still can't work. Her American husband does. She speaks several languages and will be a translator eventually. In the meantime, she volunteers at a local Hispanic newspaper and networks so her chances of a job eventually are very good.
Like I said, Jarhead, that border is much smaller than the one we have with Mexico and we could induct all those Mexicans who need work to protect and defend such a small area. They would probably be elated to have the wages and would want to keep out those who would try to immigrate illegally into their newly found country (U.S.) and take away from their newly-given rights and privileges we gave them. Or, we could just send you and Sarge down there to enforce the laws! Or, I could just let R.A.M.B.O. go down there and bite anyone who would try to cross the border. He has been working on learning Spanish and is getting quite proficient at it. Besides, there is some good surfing beaches that he wants to try. And, given that he is part Chihuahua, there are plenty of senoritas for him to..........well, better than the German Shepard next door which he is not tall enough to reach. I really think this is the best solution. It is the American way. Buy out the competition. NAFTA would no longer be necessary and that money could be used to shore up the economy. Border Patrol could be put to better use guarding against invasion from Canada, etc.
Larryj
Great idea Larry. Ol Sarge was a sentry dog handler in Viet Nam so he can train R.A.M.B.O. to rip throats out like his dog Shep was trained to do. How high can R.A.M.B.O. jump in case the illegal's are tall ? On second thought it will not work. Ol Sarge will get wind that the fish are biting at the Panama Canal and the first thing you know he will be AWOL or worse yet he will take his little fishing worm (bait ) and head on south to some nude beach at Rio De Janerio and see what he can catch.
Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Diane, no need to apologize.
Having read these posts to R.A.M.B.O., he says he will be ready to go as soon as his box of sun tan lotion has arrived and because the cat stole his Oakley sunglasses, he had to order a new pair which should arrive soon. He also says that he is appreciative of any training Sarge can offer, but wants to remind you that he is a black belt champion in karate and is almost finished with his Tae Kwon Do classes, so he feels he is sufficiently capable of defending himself and his country. (By the way, I tried to dissuade him from those aforementioned classes considering his thin legs and leaping abilities, but he did it anyhow.)
Larryj
My son James also won't go anywhere without his Oakley's. :D :D :D
Diane, You don't owe anyone an apology. You were staying on the subject but Larry and me strayed---again. When you get to be as old as us you will find that your mind wanders off track. :)
Uh, how old do you think I am. (flattery will get you cookies!) :angel: Now watch Rudy pop up. ;)
Who are you calling old, kemo sabe?
Mom70x7, before my son and his wife left last year for their 9 month tour of the world, she was pretty high up on the Oakley totem pole. I have a closet full of Oakley shirts, Oakley sweatshirts, etc. However, I never got a pair of sunglasses! When they came back, she didn't return to Oakley so my wardrobe supply dried up ::). Anyway, now she is expecting in October and has no plans to work for a while. But, I love my Oakley clothes and choose to wear them more than the others.
Larryj
If Larry Jarhead ..Warph and Sarge take the topic elsewhere.. I love it..
You guys keep me entertained.. ;D
Hey, (pssssttt), you guys-----did you notice Teresa has gone back to the rifle aiming picture? Keep your heads and butts down!
Larryj
There's lots of those kinds of pics of me.. but its temporary..
I'm going to put a sweet innocent one of me up there... ( to lure the unsuspecting into my web..)
LOL ;D
A pic of you sweet and innocent ? What---you gonna post a pic of Sherri and try to fool us ??
Where is the little thread hijacked sticker? ;D ;D ;D