This should make some of the Liberals mad and make them vote against any Democrap running. I am tottaly blown away by this one. This is what happens when you elect a President that has worshipped with an antichrist minister for 20 years.
US Military Defends Bible Verses on Rifles
WASHINGTON (AP) - Combat rifle sights used by U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan carry references to Bible verses, stoking concerns about whether the inscriptions break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops.
Military officials said the citations don't violate the ban and they won't stop using the telescoping sights, which allow troops to pinpoint the enemy day or night.
The contractor that makes the equipment, Trijicon of Wixom, Mich., said the U.S. military has been a customer since 1995 and the company has never received any complaints about the Scripture citations.
"We don't publicize this," said Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing said in an interview. "It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there."'
The inscriptions are subtle and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.
Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, one of the company's most advanced models, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, 'I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."'
The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."
Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.
The Defense Department is a major customer of Trijicon's. In 2009 alone, the Marine Corps signed deals worth $66 million for the company's products. Trijicon's scopes and optical devices for guns range in cost from a few hundred dollars to $13,000, according to the company's Web site.
Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says the biblically inscribed sights could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool: that American troops are Christian crusaders invading Muslim countries.
"I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Koran were being inscribed onto these U.S. armed forces gun sights instead of New Testament citations," Weinstein said. The foundation is a nonprofit watchdog group opposed to religious favoritism within the military.
Weinstein said he has received complaints about the Scripture citations from active-duty and retired members of the military. He said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which manages military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, said the inscribed sights don't violate the ban on proselytizing because there's no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the U.S. troops who use them.
"This situation is not unlike the situation with U.S. currency," said the spokesman, Air Force Maj. John Redfield. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."
The Marine Corps and the Army did not respond to e-mails from The Associated Press requesting comment on the Trijicon sights.
Munson, Trijicon's sales director, said the practice of putting Bible references on the sites began nearly 30 years ago by Trijicon's founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, has continued the practice.
I hope this is all over the news in Massachusetts, it will help Scott Brown get votes.
Typically verbal diarrhea, perhaps you should read the article. The US military has been a customer since 1995 so I am fairly certain that you cannot blame the current President for the majority of business given to this company. Having said that, I would not support this contract as we should not be encouraging a particular religion amongst our troops but permitting them to make their own decisions.
Good for the Marines! Good for Trijicon! Our servicemen need all the help they can get! God directs their paths so why not their bullets.
Quote from: jerry wagner on January 19, 2010, 02:41:49 PM
Typically verbal diarrhea, perhaps you should read the article. The US military has been a customer since 1995 so I am fairly certain that you cannot blame the current President for the majority of business given to this company. Having said that, I would not support this contract as we should not be encouraging a particular religion amongst our troops but permitting them to make their own decisions.
Jerry, you obviously didn't read the article or you didn't understand what you read. In any case you totally missed the point. I agree they have been putting the Bible inscriptions on the Rifles since 1995, the point is that after 15 years all of sudden the liberal left is opposing it or trying to stop it. This is typical of what the Non-Christian Liberal Left in power in Washington is doing everywhere in our society. We need to get back to Christanity in this country before it is to late.
Quote from: frawin on January 19, 2010, 03:53:41 PM
Jerry, you obviously didn't read the article or you didn't understand what you read. In any case you totally missed the point. I agree they have been putting the Bible inscriptions on the Rifles since 1995, the point is that after 15 years all of sudden the liberal left is opposing it or trying to stop it. This is typical of what the Non-Christian Liberal Left in power in Washington is doing everywhere in our society. We need to get back to Christanity in this country before it is to late.
Amen to that! The sooner the better. God won't stay his hand long.
I didn't know that, but that is awesome!! How neat. :)
I'm here to tell y'all that I sure didn't need a Bible verse on the sight of Ol Betsey when the crap hit the fan. I recited every verse I'd learned as a pup and even made up a few new ones !!! What a neat thing Trijicon has been doing though.
Jarhead, you are a good man. :)
Muslims Pissed Over U.S. Military 'Jesus' Rifles
FoxNews.com
Thursday, January 21, 2010
Combat rifle sights used by U.S. forces in Iraq and Afghanistan carry secret references to Bible verses.
Muslim groups reacted angrily Wednesday after it emerged that the U.S. military is using combat rifle sights inscribed with coded Biblical references.
Army officials have said they will investigate whether a Michigan defense contractor violated federal procurement rules by stamping references to Bible verses on the gun sights used by American forces to kill enemy fighters in Iraq and Afghanistan.
(Here is another shit-ass group that we need to set our Trijicon Reflex sights on, along with CAIR, and PULL the trigger):
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations on Wednesday said the continued use of the sights with the religious references would send a negative message to the Muslim world.
What a crock of shit on the following statement:
"The use of military equipment with hidden Bible references sends the false message to Muslims worldwide that we are at war with Islam," said CAIR Legal Counsel Nadhira Al-Khalili. "In addition, these sights are a potential recruiting tool for anti-American forces, endanger our troops and alienate our Muslim allies. They should we withdrawn as soon as logistically possible."
The Marine Corps, another major customer of the telescoping sights that allow troops to pinpoint targets day or night, says service acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future purchases of the company's gear.
"If determined to be true, this is clearly inappropriate and we are looking into possible remedies," Commander Darryn James, a Pentagon spokesman, told AFP.
The references have stoked concerns by a watch dog group about whether the inscriptions break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops. But military officials said the citations don't violate the ban and they won't stop using the tens of thousands of telescoping sights that have already been bought.
The codes were used as "part of our faith and our belief in service to our country," Trijicon said.
"As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," a company spokesman said on condition of anonymity.
Trijicon said it has been longstanding company practice to put the Scripture citations on the equipment. Tom Munson, Trijicon's director of sales and marketing, said the company has never received any complaints until now.
"We don't publicize this," Munson said in a recent interview. "It's not something we make a big deal out of. But when asked, we say, 'Yes, it's there.'"
The inscriptions are subtle and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.
Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, which is standard issue to U.S. special operations forces, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.
The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.
Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.
The Defense Department is a major customer of Trijicon's. In 2009 alone, the Marine Corps signed deals worth $66 million for the company's products. Trijicon's scopes and optical devices for guns range in cost from a few hundred dollars to $13,000, according to the company's Web site.
Mikey Weinstein, (MIKEY... what the hell kind of jewish name is Mikey) president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, says the Trijicon sights could give the Taliban and other enemy forces a propaganda tool: that American troops are Christian crusaders invading Muslim countries. (LOL... SO WHAT... invade the bastards)
"I don't have to wonder for a nanosecond how the American public would react if citations from the Quran were being inscribed onto these U.S. armed forces gun sights instead of New Testament citations," Weinstein said. The foundation is a nonprofit organization opposed to religious favoritism within the military.
Weinstein said he has received complaints about the Scripture citations from active-duty and retired members of the military. He said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command, which manages military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, said the sights don't violate the ban on proselytizing because there's no effort to distribute the equipment beyond the U.S. troops who use them.
"This situation is not unlike the situation with U.S. currency," said the spokesman, Air Force Maj. John Redfield. "Are we going to stop using money because the bills have 'In God We Trust' on them? As long as the sights meet the combat needs of troops, they'll continue to be used."
Capt. Geraldine Carey, a Marine Corps spokeswoman, said Tuesday in an e-mailed statement that "we are aware of the issue and are concerned with how this may be perceived." Carey said Marine Corps acquisition officials plan to meet with Trijicon to discuss future buys of the company's sights. The statement did not say what the nature of those discussions would be.
Gary Tallman, an Army spokesman, said the service was not aware of the markings. But Army acquisition experts will determine if Trijicon violated any procurement regulations, he said.
Munson, Trijicon's sales director, said the practice of putting Bible references on the sites began nearly 30 years ago by Trijicon's founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, has continued the practice.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
You know what I don't see in this report...is the opinion of the troops that actually have to carry these things into combat. I seriously doubt that many of them would have a problem with it. Until one of these "its inappropriate and offensive" types has the courage to actually pick up a rifle and use it, I say to hell with'em! I mean whats next, are they going to bitch about Chaplins handing out pocket sized Bibles?
Quote from: Varmit on January 21, 2010, 11:06:25 AM
You know what I don't see in this report...is the opinion of the troops that actually have to carry these things into combat. I seriously doubt that many of them would have a problem with it. Until one of these "its inappropriate and offensive" types has the courage to actually pick up a rifle and use it, I say to hell with'em! I mean whats next, are they going to bitch about Chaplins handing out pocket sized Bibles?
And to hell with you! You are not the only person permitted to have an opinion.
Quote from: jerry wagner on January 21, 2010, 06:25:00 PM
And to hell with you! You are not the only person permitted to have an opinion.
By your response, I take it your one of those that doesn't have the courage to join our men and women in the military? Actually unless you do pick up a rifle and join them you don't have any opinion. You haven't earned it.
This is why I cannot stand the American-Muslim.... one of the biggest mistakes the government made was to let the ragheads into to these United States. My Jewish-Christian values are dead set against these 7million ragheads telling us... 310million plus.... and our military..... what we can and cannot do.... screw them... send them back to the SANDBOX!!!! Varmit is right when he said:Quote from: Varmit on January 21, 2010, 11:06:25 AM
You know what I don't see in this report...is the opinion of the troops that actually have to carry these things into combat. I seriously doubt that many of them would have a problem with it. Until one of these "its inappropriate and offensive" types has the courage to actually pick up a rifle and use it, I say to hell with'em! I mean whats next, are they going to bitch about Chaplins handing out pocket sized Bibles?
...WarphRead and weep, people:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583566,00.html
Company to Remove Bible References From Combat Rifles
Thursday, January 21, 2010 WASHINGTON — A Michigan defense contractor will voluntarily stop stamping references to Bible verses on combat rifle sights made for the U.S. military, a major buyer of the company's gear.
In a statement released Thursday, Trijicon of Wixom, Mich., says it is also providing to the armed forces free of charge modification kits to remove the Scripture citations from the telescoping sights already in use. Through multimillion dollar contracts, the Marine Corps and Army have more than 300,000 Trijicon sights.
The references to Bible passages raised concerns that the citations break a government rule that bars proselytizing by American troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, which are predominantly Muslim countries.
A spokesman for U.S. Central Command initially said the Trijicon sights didn't violate the ban and compared the citations on the sights to the "In God We Trust" inscription printed on U.S. currency.
On Thursday, however, Army Gen. David Petraeus, Central Command's top officer, called the practice "disturbing." "This is a serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan," Petraeus told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.
(Horse Shit! It is pretty bad when they get to the top commander)New Zealand announced Thursday that they would remove the citations from the sights they have, and Australia, which also uses the sights, is assessing what to do.
New Zealand defense force spokesman Maj. Kristian Dunne said Trijicon would be instructed to remove the inscriptions from further orders of the gun sights for New Zealand and the letters would be removed from gun sights already in use by troops.
The inscriptions are not obvious and appear in raised lettering at the end of the stock number. Trijicon's rifle sights use tritium, a radioactive form of hydrogen, to create light and help shooters hit what they're aiming for.
Markings on the Advanced Combat Optical Gunsight, which is standard issue to U.S. special operations forces, include "JN8:12," a reference to John 8:12: "Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,"' according to the King James version of the Bible.
The Trijicon Reflex sight is stamped with 2COR4:6, a reference to part of the second letter of Paul to the Corinthians: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ," the King James version reads.
Photos posted on a Defense Department Web site show Iraqi forces training with rifles equipped with the inscribed sights.
Rev. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, said in a letter sent Thursday to President Barack Obama that the gun sights "clearly violate" the rule against proselytizing. Gaddy added that "images of American soldiers as Christian crusaders come to mind when they are carrying weaponry bearing such verses."
Mikey Weinstein, president of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, contacted The Associated Press last week about the Scripture citations. He said he had received complaints from active-duty and retired members of the military. Weinstein said he couldn't identify them because they fear retaliation.
The company's practice of putting Bible references on the sites began nearly 30 years ago by Trijicon's founder, Glyn Bindon, who was killed in a plane crash in 2003. His son Stephen, Trijicon's president, has continued the practice.
"Trijicon has proudly served the U.S. military for more than two decades, and our decision to offer to voluntarily remove these references is both prudent and appropriate," Stephen Bindon said in the statement.
The statement does not provide an estimate on the removal costs. A company spokesman did not return a telephone call.
The company is also making the same offer to military in other countries that have purchased Trijicon's rifle sights.
An Army spokesman said Thursday the service was unaware of the coded biblical references until a few days ago. (Bull Shit.... Bull Shit.... BULL SHIT!!!)"It is not the policy of the Army or the Department of Defense to put religious references of any kind on its equipment," Lt. Col. Jimmie Cummings said.
Marine Corps spokeswoman Capt. Geraldine Carey said the service "is making every effort to remove these markings from all of our scopes and will ensure that all future procurement of these scopes will not have these types of markings."
Serving or not.... having served or not.... I do have the right to my opinion and am entitled to speak it. If you cannot deal with it... shove it.
Jerry, why do you hate our military so bad? Did you get your little butt kicked by a big bad Army guy ? Or did a Woman Marine put an ass whup'n on ya ?
Quote from: jerry wagner on January 21, 2010, 08:29:46 PM
Serving or not.... having served or not.... I do have the right to my opinion and am entitled to speak it. If you cannot deal with it... shove it.
Well unless you have held one of those rifles in your hand, you have no opinion. It has no effect on you because you don't see it nor are near enough to it for it to cause you to clutch your chest and wail in agony for having come in contact with something religious!
Quote from: jarhead on January 21, 2010, 08:35:29 PM
Jerry, why do you hate our military so bad? Did you get your little butt kicked by a big bad Army guy ? Or did a Woman Marine put an ass whup'n on ya ?
LOL oh come on now, he would never survive one of those gals. LOL the day i dropped my boy off at camp lejeune, this short skinny gal came out and dumped all over those big ole fellas coming in from boot camp.
She was scary enough to make big men cry!
Quote from: jarhead on January 21, 2010, 08:35:29 PM
Jerry, why do you hate our military so bad? Did you get your little butt kicked by a big bad Army guy ? Or did a Woman Marine put an ass whup'n on ya ?
Instead of making a intellectual point, you resort to trying to debase me? My father and my grandfather were members of the US Armed Forces and I do not hate the military. I haven't expressed an opinion that directs hate towards the Armed Forces rather that I do not support the idea behind certain endeavors. If you are so narrow minded to be unable to understand the difference than there is little value in carrying on this discussion.
Actually, Jerry, you need to go back to the original statement he made that, unless you were ACTIVELY serving your country ("unless you pick up a rifle and join them..."), you had no right to an opinion...LOL...That means any of our proud armchair quarterbacks who are expounding so fluently are left out of having an opinion, too (and NO, previously having been a serving member does NOT allow you to be abusive of others...)...I would wager that there are very, very few of us on this Forum who haven't had a member of our families in the Armed Forces. We are all proud of the service rendered to this country. We are also all ready, at a moment's notice, to defend our country's safety and honor. And, in defense of our armed forces, there are many, many religions represented through the volunteer efforts of our enlisted men and women...It is the many differences represented, united under one flag, that makes us the strongest nation on earth. And, ALL are welcome...Even armchair quarterbacks! lol
All I can say is go back and read previous posts from Mr Wagner. Any time anything comes up about the military and Mr wagner responds to it, it is in a negative way. So I ask Mr wagner---Has there ever been a military "endeavor' in your lifetime that you have supported ?
Quote from: jerry wagner on January 21, 2010, 06:25:00 PM
And to hell with you! You are not the only person permitted to have an opinion.
You totally missed the point of my post. If the troops don't have a problem with it then why is it a problem?
Is it perhaps a perceived Christian Bible VS the Constitution and separation of church and state issue? I'm not sure either. But here we go with the personal attacks again.Tsk,tsk!
I totally agree with Varmit. If the troops don't care, what's the problem ? If an induvidual don't want it on his weapon---take it off !!! as for seperation of church and state---how about it's a troops freedom of speech right ?
Me asking Mr Wagner if a woman Marine whupped him is not a personal attack. If the WM DID pound him to a pulp---then that act was a personal attack !!!
Quote from: jarhead on January 22, 2010, 10:24:53 AM
I totally agree with Varmit. If the troops don't care, what's the problem ? If an induvidual don't want it on his weapon---take it off !!! as for seperation of church and state---how about it's a troops freedom of speech right ?
Me asking Mr Wagner if a woman Marine whupped him is not a personal attack. If the WM DID pound him to a pulp---then that act was a personal attack !!!
ROTFLMBO yeah that would be a personal attack. :D
First of all what does separation of church n state come into play being that separation of church and state has nothing to do with the constitution. Its not written in the constitution. The first Amendment only states that we have the freedom OF religion not FROM religion.
So there is no issue. Especially if the marines and soldiers don't have one.
Quote from: jarhead on January 22, 2010, 10:24:53 AM
I totally agree with Varmit. If the troops don't care, what's the problem ? If an induvidual don't want it on his weapon---take it off !!! as for seperation of church and state---how about it's a troops freedom of speech right ?
Me asking Mr Wagner if a woman Marine whupped him is not a personal attack. If the WM DID pound him to a pulp---then that act was a personal attack !!!
JARHEAD, you are a classic, the Forum needs more people with your wit and attitude.
a couple thoughts on this thread....
Its nice to see warph finally showing his vile racism in a more plain manner instead of trying to veil himself like an old afghan woman.
Varmit suggested that the soldiers do something about it if they don't like it. Soldiers don't really have the right of free speech. They probably don't have the right or ability to remove engravings from their weapons, and we don't really know what soldiers feel about them.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, except actively serving military. Their opinion is their commanding officers opinion.
When both the jews and muslims agree on something (notice how warph railed against muslims, but not a word against the jews who have the same opinion) they are probably right. They both said its a detriment to our armed forces because its useful propaganda for our enemy. I agree with this pov.
Thank you Frank but I'm sure you are in the minority if you think I'm witty.
You are wrong Anmar, unless things have changed since I was active duty. Our CO asked his Platoon commanders opinion in alot of matters and in turn the platoon commander asked his squad leaders and squad leaders asked his men. Hell, even a lowely grunt / radioman ( I mean a Communication Specialist ) like me gave my opinion and at times, though rarely, it counted. Not sure you understand what it's like in a combat zone Ambar, but for a short time I had an (acting ) 18 year old PFC as a platoon commander and sevearl times had an E-5 Sgt as a platoon commander and trust me--their opinions counted.
some new info:
apparantly, they sell the same equipment internationally, and the other countries complained as well.
Quote from: Anmar on January 22, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
a couple thoughts on this thread....
Its nice to see warph finally showing his vile racism in a more plain manner instead of trying to veil himself like an old afghan woman.
Varmit suggested that the soldiers do something about it if they don't like it. Soldiers don't really have the right of free speech. They probably don't have the right or ability to remove engravings from their weapons, and we don't really know what soldiers feel about them.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, except actively serving military. Their opinion is their commanding officers opinion.
When both the jews and muslims agree on something (notice how warph railed against muslims, but not a word against the jews who have the same opinion) they are probably right. They both said its a detriment to our armed forces because its useful propaganda for our enemy. I agree with this pov.
Well... well... well... look who finally crawled out from under his rock. You sound upset.... what's wrong? Did you get profiled when you came through SFO? Well anyway, glad you enjoyed my comments, Clown. BTW, when did you became an expert on the military? I know, you've been watching Ollie North on Fox, haven't you? You need to go back and re-read what Jarhead and Varmit had to say and see if it sinks into that marble head of yours.... though I doubt it will.
Quote from: Anmar on January 22, 2010, 02:13:47 PM
a couple thoughts on this thread....
Its nice to see warph finally showing his vile racism in a more plain manner instead of trying to veil himself like an old afghan woman.
Varmit suggested that the soldiers do something about it if they don't like it. Soldiers don't really have the right of free speech. They probably don't have the right or ability to remove engravings from their weapons, and we don't really know what soldiers feel about them.
Everyone has a right to their opinion, except actively serving military. Their opinion is their commanding officers opinion.
When both the jews and muslims agree on something (notice how warph railed against muslims, but not a word against the jews who have the same opinion) they are probably right. They both said its a detriment to our armed forces because its useful propaganda for our enemy. I agree with this pov.
Thats not really true. Soldiers do have the right to free speech and their own opinion. Officers and NCO's know full well that it is the E4's and below that get the job done and most even value their input.
The only people I see complaining aren't in the military and frankly its none of their business.
warph, i was in boot camp!
my drill sargeant told me i'm not allowed to complain!
Well, DUH! Boot is a little different. You're right, in Basic you're not allowed to complain, you haven't earned that priviledge yet. In Boot the DI's have a job to do. Part of that job is to breakdown your sense of individuality and get you to function as a team. Until you have completed that process you are treated as a collective and not individual members of that collective, that comes later.
BTW, how long were you in for? What was your MOS? What branch?
Quote from: Anmar on January 24, 2010, 02:19:02 AM
warph, i was in boot camp!
my drill sargeant told me i'm not allowed to complain!
You don't have a right to complain in boot camp. IN boot camp you haven't earned that right. From day one to graduation your nothing. When you graduate you become something with those rights.
Right on Steve. I can't speak for other branches of service but in my beloved Corps you are a recruit, among other names, until the day you graduate boot camp. And on that day you are finally adressed as a Marine and get the EA&G, but not before. I know sevaral people in this area that joined the Corps but did not make it thru boot camp. They can say they joined the Corps but can never claim the title of being a Marine.
Varmit, I dobt that Anmar is gonna answer your question but when he used the term "drill Sgt" that excludes the Corp and the Navy. Not sure about the air force ? Sarge ?
The Air Force calls them TI's = Tactical Instructor.
So Steve, tell us about your military service!
I'm interested.
I was interested too, as was Al, and I asked both Steve and Varmit quite a ling time ago. Neither would tell anything. They always assume anyone who asks is up to something. Maybe because they always are? ;D I had already told where Al had had basic and where he ended up and why, but they wouldn't reciprocate. So much for military pride. (just pok'n at ya, honest.)
Diane,
I guess I missed when you told about Al's service---and I aint "up to something"---just nosey. :)
I do recall Varmit saying several times about his service in the Army, and when and where he served.
And me ?? You should know by now that I live & breathe Marine Corps, 24/7.Hell, I even kida sorta admitted to you that i was scared o few times in Nam, but if you tell a single soul I said that I will come to your house and kick your dog and spit tobakker juice on your cat !!!
No dog and the cat just died. ;D Al was drafted in '68. I don't think the ink on his diploma had even dried when he went from 2-S to 1-A. It was right after Tet and they were taking anybody who could move. Basic at Fort Bragg and then to Fort Sill. Since he had had Polio as a child, there were some things he could do well and some that his legs just could not do because of muscle damage. He did OK though and did well at Fort Sill, still tells lots of stories. I must have missed where and when Varmit was in. I do know he was injured.
Yes, Diane you missed it...so once again....basic and AIT at Benning, 3 yrs in Alaska with 2/1inf, 3 years at Campbell with the 1-327th 101st (AASLT).
Thanks!