Has anyone seen this on TruTV? I just watched a few episodes on Youtube, pretty interesting stuff. What are your thoughts?
I watched an episode and thought it was pretty interesting up until the 9/11 Conspiracy that the United States Government brought down the World Trade Center and staged the terrorist attacks. Whenever they spew stupidity like that they should go back and check the records of Osama bin Laden and Al Quaeda praising the attacks on video. And that that was a missile that hit the pentagon not an airplane. If so, where did the plane and passengers of that flight go? The people of Flight 93 were calling home and telling their loved ones that "men of middle eastern descent" had taken control of the plane. Why would Gov. Jesse "the Body" Ventura go along with spreading stupidity and lies? But what do you expect from a washed up wrestler/actor/governor? I'd pay $10 to watch the Governator put a boot in his ass!
Ventura is a NUT!
As far as 9/11 goes, I just don't know. That whole thing just seems fishy to me. The way the Towers fell, the orders that were issued, just doesn't make sense. As far as what the passengers did, calling home and what not, I dont' think I buy it. If it was a gov't job and they were trying to cover it up, that would be easy to fabricate. Given the actions of our gov't over teh past several years I think it is feasible. I mean, we have a president that can't and won't prove his citizenship, they have been outright attacking our bill of rights since 9/11, they are trying to dissolve our national sovereignty. It is something to think about.
As for the "governator", that freakin Nazi should've stuck to acting.
kinda what I think also Varmit.. Didn't have the gumption of starting WW3 by posting what I think of it all... so I'll let you take the heat. ;D
I have gone nose to nose with some of my friends who are in the tactical part of the government military on this..
I slam them with questions ..GOOD common sense questions..
They can only argue so far .. then they have to actually take in the facts and try to give me an answer that makes sense and adds up to the evidence that is in front of their eyes..
So far all they give me is the BS that was fed to them. Anyone who has been in controlled demolitions can tell you what happened.. ..
oh well... :-X
Hey Hillbilly, I'm not trying to start anything but was wondering where the "men of middle eastern descent" came from? The reason I was wondering is because it sounds a little to law-enforcementy. I mean, if I was in that situtation and calling home I wouldn't be all "men of middle eastern descent have taken over the plane!" I would probably be more like "some f@$kin' arabs have hijacked the damn plane". The wording just seems off to me.
Teresa, I don't mind the heat, feels kinda good after the recent cold snap ;D. I have used 9/11 on other threads to justify our actions overseas only because I feel that the muslim community is a theat. However, given the recent paths that our gov't has taken and the pace at which they are going I view them as even a larger threat to this country. It has been going on for years but it really seems to be materializing lately. Things like MKUltra, HAARP, the security scanners, the Patriot Act, various Executive Orders, and FEMA are bad enough by themselves, but when you combine them with a tryannical gov't and the NWO they get even worse. Now we are using drones to spy on our own people. It is time for real Americans to stand up and say enough is enough. Frankly, I don't think that voting and elections are going to do shit about it. We've had those in the past and look at where they have gotten us.
Men of middle eastern descent was MY wording because just a couple of months ago YOU were biting our heads off about being a little nicer and not calling people bad names and using "naughty" words! So, if it's ok now, then FU!--- MRS. Hillbilly
Billy, you think the government is smarter than the people? The People own the government and put that government into place. Whenever you say the government is smarter than the people, you are calling me ignorant. I don't like that. So I think, Tuesday morning, I'm going to go all terrorist all over your ass. I will show up at work with my favorite buck knife, there's no one at the gate to screen me as I come through the gate. So when you see me running towards you screaming "Allah" with my underwear on my head, putting several dull ass holes in you, maybe you will see my point of view.
Sincerely yours. I hope that all 72 virgins are female.
MR. Hillbilly
And if Mr. Ventura is so right on the government not wanting us to have any access on the iron that came from the WTCs, so that we cannot prove that it had been painted with thermite or "super thermite", then why was he so easily able to walk into a building and look in a window at the same iron or that we, here in Kansas, are able to have the same iron in a park at Anthony, Kansas? I do believe that even a bolt or a rivet, don't recall which, went into the Fire Bike built by Orange County Choppers. I saw the test on tv too that thermite burns and doesn't explode. So much for demolition work. Anybody here other than me watch something get brought down or blown up in real life or had any access to this? Buildings or grain elevators? Two come to mind, Haysville and Dewey. When they explode, there's no ball of fire, just one helluva loud crack and the damn thing settles down right then, not hanging around for 102 minutes, waiting to fall down like the North Tower. And this is done by specialists.
I don't hate George W. Bush enough to want to blame everything on him. He didn't blow up the World Trade Center, EITHER time. He didn't blow up the levees in New Orleans. And most recently, he didn't cause an earthquake in Haiti.
Oh, just give them time...They'll find a way to pin Haiti on W's sleeve...W seems to be the scapegoat of choice these days...It's interesting to me how W seems to have had almost supernatural powers in the past...The ability to cause buildings to fall...To influence the track that hurricanes take...To sit inside the minds of CEOs/governing boards of businesses and cause them to make immoral and insane decisions that would have an affect that would rock almost the entire civilized world...Interesting...I seem to have missed the 666 on his forehead...But then, let's look at this objectively...Wait...I guess that wasn't the point, was it...hmmmmmm.
Hillbilly, both Mr. and Mrs., don't get your knickers in a twist.
Quote from: kshillbillys on January 18, 2010, 10:33:49 AM
Men of middle eastern descent was MY wording because just a couple of months ago YOU were biting our heads off about being a little nicer and not calling people bad names and using "naughty" words! So, if it's ok now, then FU!--- MRS. Hillbilly
What I said a couple months ago was about the general conversation on the Forum. What I posted on this thread was an example of what I would have said in that situation, it was not directed at anyone specific. The reason I asked you about it was because of your use of quotations, implying that you were repeating what someone else had said. Thats all.
Quote from: kshillbillys on January 18, 2010, 10:38:27 AM
Billy, you think the government is smarter than the people? The People own the government and put that government into place. Whenever you say the government is smarter than the people, you are calling me ignorant.
What are you talking about here? I never said that. And just an FYI, its probably not a good idea to bring a knife to a gun fight.
Also, as far as the iron goes...can you prove, for a fact, that the iron in Anthony and the parts used in Orange County Choppers, came from the WTC? Those points aside what about Tower 7? The gov't says that it collapsed from fire. Why is it then when other steel framed structures catch fire what remains is usually a burned out haul, not a pile of rubble? Why was our military told specifilly to stand down that morning? There are too many unanswered questions.
Hey Cat, you might want to do a little research on the HAARP project.
This whole theory of the Government and/or former President Bush or his administration having anything to do with 9/11 is absolutely the biggest bunch of made up crap I have ever seen.
Now, Frank...You have to love that segment of the population that so willingly offers itself up as fodder for jokes to the rest of the civilized world...But then, they're referred to in the Bible, as well..."The Simple Simons of the world shall be with you always..."...Uh...Maybe that's not a direct quote...But you get the picture...LOL.
Cat, I used to tell people how great the Elk County Forum was and how interesting it was, now I don't tell a soul about it and hope they don't find out. The theory about Former President Bush, and/or the goverment having anything to do with 9/11 probably got started by the some of the trash people in the current administration and anyone agreeing with even the thought is furthering their efforts to discredit the Bush Administration and worse to make the current bunch of socialist/communist in Washington look better.
And can either of you back up any of what you say or is it just more of your sheeple speak??
The controlled demolition conspiracy theories claim that the collapse of the North Tower, South Tower and 7 World Trade Center was not caused by the plane crash damage, or by resulting fire damage, but by explosives installed in the buildings in advance. The reasoning behind this explained that if the US Government had planted explosives in the building but made it look like terrorists had done the damage, it would have given them a perfect excuse to go to war in Iraq.[61] However, this theory is rejected by the mainstream media and the engineering community.
Demolition theory proponents, such as physicist Steven E. Jones, architect Richard Gage, software engineer Jim Hoffman, and theologian David Ray Griffin, argue that the aircraft impacts and resulting fires could not have weakened the buildings sufficiently to initiate a catastrophic collapse, and that the buildings would not have collapsed completely, nor at the speeds that they did, without additional energy involved to weaken their structures. Jones has presented the hypothesis that thermite or nanothermite[62] was used to demolish the buildings and says he has found evidence of such explosives in the WTC dust.[63][64][65][66]
Many mainstream scientists refuse to debate conspiracy theorists to avoid giving them unwarranted credibility.[67] The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has rejected the theory. Specialists in structural mechanics and structural engineering generally accept the model of a fire-induced, gravity-driven collapse of the World Trade Center buildings, an explanation that does not involve the use of explosives.[68][69][70]
Soon after the day of the attacks, major media sources published that the towers had collapsed due to melted steel.[71][72] Knowledge that the burning temperatures of jet fuel would not melt the steel support structure of the WTC contributed to the belief among skeptics that the towers would not have collapsed without external interference (something other than the planes). NIST does not claim that the steel was melted, but rather that the weakened steel (at 1000 degrees Celsius steel weakens to roughly 10% of its room temperature strength), together with the damage caused by the planes' impacts, caused the collapses.[73] NIST reported that a simulation model based on the assumption that combustible vapors burned immediately upon mixing with the incoming oxygen showed that "at any given location, the duration of [gas] temperatures near 1.000 °C was about 15 min to 20 min. The rest of the time, the calculated temperatures were 500 °C or below."[74]
No plane theories
The "no plane theory," promoted by internet-only videos like 911 Taboo,[132] asserts that this shot of the second impact, taken from a news helicopter, depicts a video composite of a Boeing 767 accidentally appearing from behind a Layer Mask.Nico Haupt and Morgan Reynolds, formerly the chief economist within the Labor Department under the Bush administration argue that no planes were used in the attacks. Reynolds claims it is physically impossible that the Boeing planes of Flights 11 and 175, being largely aluminium, could have penetrated the steel frames of the Towers, and that digital compositing was used to depict the plane crashes in both news reports and subsequent amateur video.[133] "There were no planes, there were no hijackers," Reynolds insists. "I know, I know, I'm out of the mainstream, but that's the way it is." According to David Shayler, "The only explanation is that they were missiles surrounded by holograms made to look like planes," he says. "Watch footage frame by frame and you will see a cigar-shaped missile hitting the World Trade Center." Truth movement veterans tend to distance themselves from "no-planers".[58][133] Discussion of no plane theories have been banned from certain conspiracy theory websites while advocates have been threatened with violence by posters at other conspiracy theory websites.[134]
This is for you Billy and I hate to get on Teresa's bad side so I won't call her out. This is just some of the nut scams that are on the internet. I cannot prove that those pieces of metal came from the twin towers. Nor can you disprove that they did. With your way of thinking, those didn't come from the Towers because they are not painted with thermite nor do they have any explosive material on them. Just proving that YOU are not the only NUT on the internet.
MR. Hillbilly
and P.S. all but the last paragraph of that last post was from Wikipedia...I don't want to be accused of plagiarizing as well as being too American in my thinking.
You might not want to use Wikipedia as anyone can post anything on there as fact. Also, I don't buy into the "no planes theory". Also, I don't think that you are too American in your thinking.
And just a thought...anyone that has knowledge of engineering answer me this. Seeing as how the planes didn't hit the center of the towers, wouldn't it be logical that given the structure damage caused by the impact and the resulting fire, the towers would have collapsed at more of an angle? Kind of like the game Jenga, if you pull a block out of one side that side collapses first.
So, like the game of Jenga, being a miniature version of the tower, it's made of solid wooden blocks, making the whole structure solid. You would need to make your support columns about the size of a toothpick, if you wanted to scale this and your cement floors would be about the size of a cardboard box cut up and laid flat. Depending on your scale. Now, let's add several ounces of fuel to the center of it and see which collapses first, Jenga or toothpicks and cardboard.
Yours truly,
MR. Hillbilly, non structural engineer
Ok, so all those pictures they took of people jumping out of the Twin Towers was computer imposed??? I am sorry Maxine and I can not believe our goverment would do that. I know our goverment is rotten but that just goes to far.
Maude and Maxine
Hillbilly, you missed what I was getting at. In a controlled demolition the building falls straight down, more or less emploding in on itself, much like the towers did. When a demolition crew takes down a building they don't just place the explosives all willy-nilly like. Because if they do then the building will fall to one side or the other. The towers did not do that, they dropped in a pretty much orderly fashion. By taking out a portion of the support structure, from the point of impact and above the buildings should have fallen to that side first.
Maude, I'm not saying that the planes weren't used and that fire didn't ensue from the crash, just that there is more to it. This is the same gov't that purposely infected people with syphlis, conducted expirements on our troops using LSD, gave our troops untested "vaccines" against anthrax, puts floruide in our drinking water, and wants to basically cut off medical care for our seniors.
Billy, I think your Koolaid fermented on ya son.
;D ;D ;D LOL ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
I've been following HAARP for a couple of years now. Its pretty scary stuff. I think its healthy to believe in conspiracy theories to a certain degree. Anyone who thinks that the government isn't hiding some top-secret stuff is a fool. Look at the Hanford "Clean-Up." I like JEsse Ventura, i haven't seen the show, but I'd vote for Ventura to be president any day over any democrat or repiblican (cept Ron Paul)
About the 9/11 stuff, there are a lot of questions, i agree with Billy. One thing is for sure, there were people who knew it was going to happen before it happened. Thats an undisputable fact. It was in the 9/11 report.
Anmar, You would vote for Ventura for Prez ?? Son , I think your cheese has slid off it's cracker !!!!!
Well, the way i see it, he's the only guy that actually says whats on his mind and does what he says he's going to do.
So far on this one, I agree with Anmar....
God, that hurt.