Last decade it was the first year of a new millennium, and now it's the first year of a new decade. It is a decade that begins in the shadow of terrorism, in the shadow of Islam. Nidal Malik Hasan's killing spree and Umar's attempted attack on Northwest 253 mark an uptick in domestic terrorism, even as the suicide bombing struck CIA agents in Afghanistan to showcase one of the worst attacks on the US in Afghanistan.
That they all took place within a short time of each other, under Obama, is likely no coincidence at all. Obama had his window to show whether he would be a capable leader or not. The terrorists took his measure. Now the real testing has begun, first with "lone wolves" and the testing phase is likely to be followed by a large scale organized attack.
And naturally the government's weakness toward terrorism has only helped the terrorists. Former Gitmo detainees are helping Al Queda run their civil war in Yemen. Despite this Obama's Attorney General insists on trying 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a civilian court, and Obama insists on exporting and importing Gitmo terrorists. Most Americans however want to see strong measures used against terrorists.
58 percent of Americans want to waterboard Umar. The surveys also show that a third of Americans think Al Queda is winning and that most support US control over security measures at foreign airports. 65 percent believe torture works. 58 percent think that Obama's release of the CIA memos endangered national security. 63 percent blame political correctness for allowing Hasan to carry out his massacre at Fort Hood.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/december_2009/58_favor_waterboarding_of_plane_terrorist_to_get_information
Essentially the numbers suggest that a loose majority of Americans is to the right of Obama and the media on such basic issues. Barely a third rank the government's response to the Airplane bombing positively. Those numbers mean that Obama has lost on national security. The question is how key will national security be in 2012.
That puts the US into an Israel type scenario in which terrorists can help dictate the course of a US election, and in which the Obama administration might be tempted to cut behind the scenes deals with Al Queda to avoid an attack during the election season.
How can any telephone survey claim x% of voters for or against anything? Were you called? I wasn't. It might be X% of the people who were contacted, which might be a very small number. What was the total number contacted? It sure wasn't 100% of all American voters. I have no problem with the concerns, but I don't like contrived statistics.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 03, 2010, 06:38:16 PM
How can any telephone survey claim x% of voters for or against anything? Were you called? I wasn't. It might be X% of the people who were contacted, which might be a very small number. What was the total number contacted? It sure wasn't 100% of all American voters. I have no problem with the concerns, but I don't like contrived statistics.
What planet do you live on, Diane? Most polls are done by telephone or internet. If you do not like the way it is done, I suggust you notify the pollsters and tell them about your displeasure. Maybe you can get them to come to your house for tea and scones while they poll you.
Don't snap at me, I wasn't called! Were you? Go back and look at the first sentence of the article. More than half? Do you know anyone who was called? Anybody on this forum? Anybody anywhere? As I said, I understand the concerns , but.... why should I believe the numbers? Are any decisions going to be made because of them? Why should those numbers be trusted? Was Acorn trusted? No good came of them either. POKE, POKE! ;D By the way I make good scones.They go especially well with Arizona dust.
Warph, I have mentioned before that in school I had an instructor who was a retired Marine Chief Warrant Officer. I had to take a course in statistics with him as the instructor. The very first thing out of his mouth was 'Ladies and gentlemen, this is a course in statistics. Statistics is a method by which any damn fool can prove any damn thing with numbers. Any poll about anything can be 'bent' by controlling the sample. For instance, phone numbers can indicate a geographical area, thus a sampling of those being polled. Internet polls are done in much the same way, the people being polled are pre-determined to fit into a certain group. Polls along with Warphisms need to be taken with a grain of salt. ;)
He didn't write the article ladies... he only posted it... :police:
Diane..... go to the end of the article at Rasmussen Reports and you will see: This national telephone survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports December 28, 2009. The margin of sampling error for the survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence (see methodology) That was 58% of 1,000 being polled. I'm sorry that you weren't called. Maybe next time.
SixDogs..... Warphisms, I like that. I know that you voted for Obama. Do you still support him, the man (not just his office) the man and his policies? You don't have to answer if you feel it might embarrass you.... I was just wondering. ;)
Now.... part of the article was on "waterboarding" the ragheaded goofball terrorist that tried to blow up an airplane and its almost 300 innocent fellow travelers. You two never commented one way or the other on the "Waterboarding issue." Why is that? I dunno... I guess it is safe to say that you both feel that you agree with the 58% that Umar should be waterboarded. Good choice.
Warph, I know you didn't write the article.That was a very small sample to extrapolate from. 1,000 "likely' voters" turned into "58% of US voters" by the time the article was written ? PLEASE! I do know something about surveys and how they are taken, and interpretated, one of my many part time jobs years ago. But that's another story I won't bore anybody with. Having UD and The Urban Affairs Dept. right down the street has it's advantages. As far as the other, I said I'd keep my opinions to myself. I'm tired of having everything I say wadded up and hurled back at me in the meanest way possible. Don't make any assumptions about how I think. Nobody cares anyway.
"In response to a Nigerian Muslim trying to blow up a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit on Christmas Day, the government will now prohibit international travelers from going to the bathroom in the last hour before the plane lands.
Terrorists who plan to bomb planes during the first seven hours of the eight-hour flight, however, should face no difficulties, provided they wait until after the complimentary beverage service has been concluded. How do they know Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab didn't wait until the end of the flight to try to detonate explosives because he heard the stewardess announce that the food service was over and seats would have to be placed in their upright position? I can't finish my snack? This plane is going down!
Also prohibited in the last hour of international flights will be: blankets, pillows, computers and in-flight entertainment. Another triumph in Janet Napolitano's 'Let's stay one step behind the terrorists' policy!
For the past eight years, approximately 2 million Americans a day have been subjected to humiliating searches at airport security checkpoints, forced to remove their shoes and jackets, to open their computers, and to remove all liquids from their carry-on bags, except minuscule amounts in marked 3-ounce containers placed in Ziploc plastic bags -- folding sandwich bags are verboten -- among other indignities.
This, allegedly, was the price we had to pay for safe airplanes.
The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes. Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed. An alien from the planet 'Not Politically Correct' would have surveyed the situation after 9/11 and said: 'You are at war with an enemy without uniforms, without morals, without a country and without a leader -- but the one advantage you have is they all look alike. ...
What? ... What did I say?'
The only advantage we have in a war with stateless terrorists was ruled out of order ab initio by political correctness. And so, despite 5 trillion Americans opening laptops, surrendering lip gloss and drinking breast milk in airports day after day for the past eight years, the government still couldn't stop a Nigerian Muslim from nearly blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day."
--columnist Ann Coulter
Its all smoke and mirrors. IF you really think the TSA is making flying safer, you need to pull your head out of the sand. IT was never intended to provide safety only jobs for unemployable people. IF they really were serious about making it safer, then they would stop searching 69 year old white american little ole ladies with their sewing baskets and seriously look at the ones who deserve looking at. Like 16 - 35 year old middle eastern males, and require anyone in burkahs to be searched since they could hide a infantry inside some of them things.
We unfortunately have to fly a LOT! I hate it.. and I see more and more stupid nonsense going on every single time I go through the "cattle chute".
TSA with their overblown egos and their tin badges don't give a fat flip about the safety of anything or anybody.. Some of the humiliating things that they have people do is insane.. I saw them take 20 minutes trying to get a 75 year old man to remove his brace on his leg so he could walk thru the detector.. My god.. they had used their wand' on him ..practically undressed him and they KNEW it was fro the brace.. The poor little old guy was so upset that I wanted to just walk up and slap the hell out of all of them. >:(
and you are right Steve.. the women and men all swathed up in burkas and layers upon layers of material can not be ask to remove anything.. ( Gasp) its against their religion.. >:( WHATEVER!!!
I could write a book about what i have seen and the injustices.. its a big fat joke...
Kjell forgot to unload one of his knives in the truck before we went into the airport... He just was sick as this thing is about a 200 dollar knife with razor sharp blade.. and he knew they would take it and someo lucky person from there would take it home with him..
He unloaded all of his pockets etc and put everything in the cup.. tossed the coats on top along with his belt.. shoes.. hat..cell phones.. wallets.. etc..
it went right through.. ( some great security check...)
So I thought if anything goes down on the plane we have a knife ...
They were more concerned about making sure every stinkin compartment of our laptops and camera was open and raffling around undoing everything ewe so perfectly painstakingly had in there so it would travel without damage..... .
I had a key ring with a little fake bullet that I had picked up free off the counter at Shot Show..that was in one side of my camera bag.
A great big deal was made out of that.. I mean they examined it thoroughly ( a hole was drilled through it.. no primer..??) hello.. Doesn't take a 7 yr old to know it was a KEYRING?? I finally told them they could have it.. Toss it eat it.. hang it form the window... but I needed to make my flight.. >:( >:(
I wanted to really tell them what they could do with it.. but I didn't...
I could ... like I say... write a book..
Safe? we would all be a hell of a lot safer if pilots could carry.. and conceal carry license holders could carry on the plane.. THEN we would be able to sit back and "enjoy the flight"...
To sum it up.........
"On Christmas Day, a gentleman from Nigeria succeeded (effortlessly) in boarding a flight to Detroit with a bomb in his underwear. Pretty funny, huh?
But the Pantybomber wasn't the big joke.
The real laugh was the United States government. The global hyperpower spent the next week making itself a laughingstock to the entire planet.
First, the bureaucrats at the TSA swung into action with a whole new range of restrictions.
Against radical Yemen-trained Muslims wearing weaponized briefs? Of course not. That would be too obvious. So instead they imposed a slew of constraints against you.
At Heathrow last week, they were permitting only one item of carry-on on U.S. flights. In Toronto, no large purses.
Um, the Pantybomber didn't have a purse. He brought the bomb on board under his private parts, and his private parts weren't part of his carry-on (although, if reports of injuries sustained in his failed mission are correct, they may well have been part of his carry-off).
But no matter. If in doubt, blame the victim.
The TSA announced that for the last hour of the flight no passenger can use the toilets or have anything on his lap -- not a laptop, not a blanket, not a stewardess, not even a paperback book. ...
The only good news was that the derision was so universal that the TSA promptly reined in some of their wackier impositions a couple of days later.
But by then Janet Incompetano, the Homeland Security secretary, had gone on TV and declared to the world that there was nothing to worry about: 'The system worked.
' Indeed, it worked 'smoothly.'
The al-Qaida trainee on a terrorist watch list, a man banned from the United Kingdom and reported to the CIA by his own father, got on board the plane, assembled the bomb, and attempted to detonate it. But don't worry 'bout a thing; the system worked. ... ::)
A thwarted terror attack at Christmas is bad enough. S
pending the following week making yourself a global joke is worse.
Every A-list despot and dime store jihadist got that message loud and clear -- and so did American allies already feeling semi-abandoned by this most parochial of presidents.
Expect a bumpy 12 months ahead.
Why do you think commercial pilots can't carry? I understood that they can if they take training, and many have.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 04, 2010, 04:55:22 PM
Why do you think commercial pilots can't carry? I understood that they can if they take training, and many have.
THey only carry behind a Locked armored door. Thats it. They don't come out of that bunker for anything. So its of no use to the passengers if one is carrying.
you people do realize that he was nigerian, which means he's not from the middle east, and not semetic (or raghead as some people like to say)
even if you stopped every middle easterner from flying, you would not have stopped this guy.
HMM...I'm going to have to ask my neighbor Bill some questions. He's a Delta pilot, should be retiring soon.
Quote from: Anmar on January 04, 2010, 07:27:18 PM
you people do realize that he was nigerian, which means he's not from the middle east, and not semetic (or raghead as some people like to say) even if you stopped every middle easterner from flying, you would not have stopped this guy.
Whether he's from Nigeria or Howard, KS, he's still an Islamic terrorist, trained by a middle eastern philosphy called al-qaeda.... which operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless arm and a fundamentalist SUNNI movement calling for global jihad.
Quote from: Anmar on January 04, 2010, 07:27:18 PM
you people do realize that he was nigerian, which means he's not from the middle east, and not Semitic (or raghead as some people like to say)
even if you stopped every middle easterner from flying, you would not have stopped this guy.
ok i was being politically correct. what i was really saying, if they would search Muslims like they search my 69 year old mother when she flies, he would have never got on that plane.
Quote from: Warph on January 04, 2010, 08:28:29 PM
Whether he's from Nigeria or Howard, KS, he's still an Islamic terrorist, trained by a middle eastern philosphy called al-qaeda.... which operates as a network comprising both a multinational, stateless arm and a fundamentalist SUNNI movement calling for global jihad.
It is sad that they don't search the most likely candidates for terror. Profile the hell out of them, i don't care. They profile everyone else but the problem ones.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on January 04, 2010, 08:03:30 PM
HMM...I'm going to have to ask my neighbor Bill some questions. He's a Delta pilot, should be retiring soon.
Diane.... check this out... you might get some of your questions answered here.
http://www.the33tv.com/news/kdaf-armed-pilots-training-dallas-story,0,6536876.story
Dude, calling someone from nigeria a middle easterner isn't being politically correct. He's not a middle easterner, nigeria is in Africa. I'm just pointing it out so you all look a little less ignorant. Semetic peoples, the kind who carried out the 9/11 attacks, where middle easterners. They are white. This guy is from Africa, he's black. not the same thing.
Quote from: Anmar on January 05, 2010, 12:06:20 PM
Dude, calling someone from nigeria a middle easterner isn't being politically correct. He's not a middle easterner, nigeria is in Africa. I'm just pointing it out so you all look a little less ignorant. Semetic peoples, the kind who carried out the 9/11 attacks, where middle easterners. They are white. This guy is from Africa, he's black. not the same thing.
I haven't minced words. He's a muslim. And so far its muslims that have been killing americans. SO i don't give a rats fanny what color he is. If he's islamic, search him/her/it/whatever then search em again before they get on a plane train or rent a cargo van.
You don't find white american ladies over the age of 65 who are christians going around blowing up people.
so why search them???
Quote from: srkruzich on January 05, 2010, 01:03:48 PM
I haven't minced words. He's a muslim. And so far its muslims that have been killing americans. SO i don't give a rats fanny what color he is. If he's islamic, search him/her/it/whatever then search em again before they get on a plane train or rent a cargo van.
You don't find white american ladies over the age of 65 who are christians going around blowing up people.
so why search them???
you said middle eastern, not muslim. They are different things. Muslims follow a religion, and can be of any national or regional origin. Middle easterners are people from the middle east, and can be from any number of religions.
its 2010, 9 years after 9/11 and we still don't know the difference between a muslim and an arab? come on.....
Quote from: Anmar on January 05, 2010, 12:06:20 PM
Dude, calling someone from nigeria a middle easterner isn't being politically correct. He's not a middle easterner, nigeria is in Africa. I'm just pointing it out so you all look a little less ignorant. Semetic peoples, the kind who carried out the 9/11 attacks, where middle easterners. They are white. This guy is from Africa, he's black. not the same thing.
1. Just because he is from Africa doesn't mean he is black, there are many white people who are from africa.
2. I don't give a damn if he is purple and from Uranus, he is a muslim, just like those low life sandfleas that carried out 9/11, same thing.
Quote from: Anmar on January 06, 2010, 01:08:05 AM
you said middle eastern, not muslim. They are different things. Muslims follow a religion, and can be of any national or regional origin. Middle easterners are people from the middle east, and can be from any number of religions.
its 2010, 9 years after 9/11 and we still don't know the difference between a muslim and an arab? come on.....
DOesn't matter, they are part of the Islamic ideology which is nothing but a totalitarian regime. even if their arab their muslim.
i know he's black because i saw his picture. You are completely missing the point. You guys referred to him as an arab earlier in the thread. He's not an arab.
Quote from: Anmar on January 06, 2010, 10:24:48 AM
i know he's black because i saw his picture. You are completely missing the point. You guys referred to him as an arab earlier in the thread. He's not an arab.
it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if he's an arab or a zebra. He is a Muslim that is hell bent on killing anyone that isn't. Thats all that matters and we need to kill them before they kill a bunch of innocents.
This is getting old. Screw worrying about Political correctness, or geographical profiling. IF it comes from a islamic country then strip search them if need be before they get on a plane. Stop this crap at their border, not our border. There comes a time when you have to say enough, just do the job, and stop them before they can get off the ground.
brick wall, seriously,
Quote from: Anmar on January 06, 2010, 03:43:35 PM
brick wall, seriously,
Its a start, just line em up on the brick wall and say 1...2.... 3.... fire!
the war on terror could be won in less than a year, the solution is simple but it would be unpopular. The problem is that the government doesn't want to end the war.
Quote from: Anmar on January 06, 2010, 04:07:53 PM
the war on terror could be won in less than a year, the solution is simple but it would be unpopular. The problem is that the government doesn't want to end the war.
Yeah i agree. Nuke mecca and medina, tehran and its over!
The rest will leave us alone.,