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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: redcliffsw on December 22, 2009, 10:11:40 AM

Title: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: redcliffsw on December 22, 2009, 10:11:40 AM
Key economic factor: Abortion
-Mychal Massie


With abortion, there is a real economic toll – but it's not something you hear Jackson, Sharpton or the Congressional Black Caucus complaining about.  In fact, they all support abortion.

Yet abortion does have negative consequences for the American economy and for the economic well-being of the black community in particular.

To hear abortion proponents talk about it, infanticide is an economic boon.  In a reprehensible 1998 U.S. News and World Report article, a child was called "a high-priced consumer item with no warranty."

Taking a page from abortion icon Margaret Sanger – who promoted abortion in large part for reasons of eugenics – less kids means less welfare spending, less unemployment and lots more money to spread around.

Actually, the opposite is more likely to be true.

In a telephone interview, Mark Crutcher, President of Life Dynamics Inc., said, "The cost, if calculable, would be astronomical to the point of the average person being incapable of comprehending it."

While Crutcher is right that there is no way to accurately place a price tag on the opportunity costs of abortion, there are plenty of places in society where the effects of abortion are apparent.

In fact, abortion could be considered a key factor in our nation's current economic crisis
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rest:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=119697




Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: larryJ on December 22, 2009, 10:34:30 AM
That was a nice read.  Thanks, Red.  


How true it is that an aborted child might have been the saviour of the world or the next President or, like the article says, the one who cures cancer.  On the other hand, would it be that the same child might be just another person who goes on welfare, or gets addicted to drugs?

The point of the article is that the black population is losing out economically due to the high rate of abortion and that needs some attention from the leaders of the black community to begin with.

When we had the riots here in Los Angeles many years ago, the black population chose to march down some main streets toward downtown L.A. burning and looting and smashing everything.  The white population sat and watched on TV in awe of the destruction being done by black people to--------------other black people------------the stores that provided them with the things they needed on a daily basis.  If a black person living in Watts wanted to shop in a large supermarket they had to drive quite a ways from their neighborhood to do that.  After the riots, the city's leaders worked very hard to restore the destroyed area back to normal and worked very hard to persuade large food chains to place multi-million dollar stores in an area where any incident could cause total destruction of that store.  This effort was not only led by local black leaders, but white leaders of the city as well.

I wonder if the fault of all this lies with the black leaders.  Are they just sitting around shouting about discrimination and the terrible treatment of the black people?  I don't hear much about the big names of black leaders doing anything for their people.   Maybe it isn't publicized much, although if I were Sharpton, or Jackson, I would want that news out there.  Maybe I should research this more.

Larryj
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: redcliffsw on December 22, 2009, 10:46:40 AM
For one thing, blacks have been indoctrinated too with re-visionist history.
There's a few people, black and white, in this country who undertand
their true heritage regardless of what the schools teach.

Whites are just as bad or worse.  Many give a hoot less about their true history
and the stand their ancestors took or are contrary to their own heritage.

For example, here's a small bit of good reading:

http://blackconfederates.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: larryJ on December 22, 2009, 11:28:25 AM
You are right, that was a good read.

I am curious, also--------------I have read, being an armchair historian, that many black slaves were ordered by their masters to fight for the confederacy.  And, like in this article, how many personal slaves accompanied their masters or their master's sons to the battlefront to help take care of them?  I have read that black men were inducted into the Union Army with the promise of freedom from slavery.  I have read of black men who were freed before the war, volunteered for service in the Union Army.  I wonder just how many black men actually volunteered for the Confederacy just because they wanted to.  Something to look up.  I will never get off this computer today!

Larryj
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Varmit on December 22, 2009, 08:36:19 PM
Red, I gotta say, that article was a pile of dog mess.  Mr. Massie stated that the black community is losing out due to abortion, what a crock!  The black community is losing out (in my opinion) due to a growing decline of morality.  L.A. riots are a prime example.  The blame doesn't lay with the "black leaders", it lays with the parents.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: redcliffsw on December 22, 2009, 08:45:38 PM

Billy, you're a little extreme in your description of the article.
I don't always agree with Massie as he has a northern view
if you know what I mean. 

You gotta know that abortion reflects a lack of morality -
black or white.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Anmar on December 22, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
I think the hip-hop culture has been a much bigger detriment.  Not just to black society, but to urban society in general.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Diane Amberg on December 22, 2009, 10:59:05 PM
Drug and alcohol culture.Bad news for everyone everywhere.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: sixdogsmom on December 22, 2009, 11:36:12 PM
The drug culture has truly deccimated the rural culture more than anyone wants to admit. Meth production, although not so prevalent now as it was just a few years back, and the pot trainline has made an absolutely huge impact on the way that ordinary people survive in smalltown America. There is an entire population that drifts from town to town, area to area, survivng on local handouts and what their drug profits make. Their children grow up on the edge peeping into a world they have never known, while Mom and Dad are busy with a world in their drug warped minds, not caring whether their young know better than than they knew when they were young. That is the difference that I see between the current generations; there is no care that the next generation is bettering itself with opportunities made by the present one.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: redcliffsw on December 22, 2009, 11:55:04 PM

Well there SDM you've made a good point and let's look at it.
The drug culture has touched a lot of thinking in this country
including the current President and Congress.  How are they any
different than the druggies when it comes to bettering the next generation?
They're morally bankrupt.

They're stealing from future generations just like the druggies that
you describe.  Liberalism and socialism are bad stuff just like your
description of druggies.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: larryJ on December 23, 2009, 09:51:11 AM
Living in a large urban area, drugs are a part of life, but not a big part of life.  We once had a meth lab in the house across the street from us.  How did we know?  The young man who lived there had lost his father years ago and he had confined his mother to her room because of her severe Alzheimer's.  His older brother had been in prison because of drugs, off and on, more on than off.  We (neighbors) didn't have any contact with him and began to notice cars pulling up and people running into the house and coming right back out.  The police were given the information about the activities from all the neighbors and eventually busted him and closed down the meth lab.  The morning they busted him, he had fallen asleep on the couch while smoking and caught the house on fire, a small fire, but enough to get the fire trucks out.  Once they gained entrance, the meth lab was found and many rifles and handguns were carried out.  It took months to detox the house and it is now used as a half-way house for women who are recovering drug addicts or victims of domestic violence.

All of this is said because I don't think about small town drug problems.  It seems to me that small towns would have a better handle on drug problems because everyone knows everyone else and everyone knows who doesn't belong, etc.

You stated about the next generation is not bettering itself.  I don't see that it is any different than the generation I grew up in, you know, the one that embraced "Sex, drugs, and rock-and-roll".  I worked in Hollywood for a few years where I had to wade through all the hipppies sprawled on the sidewalks smoking pot.  So I don't feel anything is different as far as betterment.  My generation did okay and I am sure the next will survive as well.  Will they be better?  Who knows?  But I don't think things will change much.

Larryj
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Warph on December 23, 2009, 11:48:25 AM
Quote from: Anmar on December 22, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
I think the hip-hop culture has been a much bigger detriment.  Not just to black society, but to urban society in general.


It pains me to say this... the kid finally got something right.  Have you noticed that the hip-hop culture is about as bad as the Obama culture.  The only difference between the two is that the Obama side wear ties.  On Hip-Hop, lets take snoop dog.  Now there's a piece of work.  Pardon my ghetto speak but, this black piece of cruddy trash has made millions off of the kids and young adults today who idolize... IDOLIZE.. this foul mouth clown.  And you gotta wonder what's going on in the mind of these zombie's who listen to this shit.  I've listened to one or two pieces of this clown and all I can think of is, a .45 caliber, 230-grain hollow point XTP would probably fit nicely between snoopy dog's bloodshot eyeballs.

Jeez... now I'm starting to sound like a "Gangsta."

Check out one of his more popular pieces if you dare, "Gangsta Like Me"  (Warning - Very harsh language here):
http://lyrics.rapbasement.com/Snoop%20Dogg_Gangsta%20Like20Me_lyrics_2012.html


 
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Anmar on December 23, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
ha, warph, lets start an anti- gangsta rap posse
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Varmit on December 23, 2009, 08:44:56 PM
I don't know about the Hip Hop culture, I think it depends on the artist.  I don't think you can "blame" the music for anything.  Afterall, it is a direct reflection of the culture that spawned it.  Take country music for example.  Rap and country, in a lot of ways, reflect each other, they say the same things just in different ways. 
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Anmar on December 23, 2009, 09:21:53 PM
culture, not music.  Music is just a part of the culture.  Its a way of living life.  Being bad is good, intelligence is looked down on.  Always look out for yourself, do what makes you feel good.  Spend what you have, don't save anything for tomorrow.  Those are the motto's of the hip hop culture.

Music is mostly just a business.  There are those who use it as a tool to spread their messages, and some even try to improve the ubran culture through music, but sex, drugs, and bling sell better.
Title: Re: A Key Economic Factor
Post by: Varmit on December 23, 2009, 09:38:59 PM
You're right, Anmar.  But I don't think that it is a Hip Hop specific charateristic.