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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: redcliffsw on November 11, 2009, 08:34:57 AM

Title: Constitutional contempt
Post by: redcliffsw on November 11, 2009, 08:34:57 AM

Constitutional contempt
by Dr. Walter Williams
Where in the U.S. Constitution does it authorize Congress to force Americans to buy health insurance? If Congress gets away with forcing us to buy health insurance, down the line, what else will they force us to buy; or do you naively think they will stop with health insurance? We shouldn't think that the cure to Congress' unconstitutional heavy-handedness will end if we only elect Republicans. Republicans have demonstrated nearly as much constitutional contempt as have Democrats. The major difference is the significant escalation of that contempt under today's Democratically controlled Congress and White House with the massive increase in spending, their proposed legislation and the appointment of tyrannical czars to control our lives. It's a safe bet that if and when Republicans take over the Congress and White House, they will not give up the massive increase in control over our lives won by the Democrats.

more here.......

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=115607








Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Sarah on November 11, 2009, 10:19:50 AM
I really do despise that woman. 

Anyway, I agree with you, but trying to get Republicans in office is sort of the lesser of two evils.  I would happily vote 3rd party if I thought they had any chance of actually getting in office. 
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 10:55:12 AM
Fascinating.  Not at all surprising, but fascinating!

And again, a lot of this goes back to education.  Why don't our elected representatives know and understand the Constitution?  Probably because they were being diverted from civics lessons and directed througout their school years to other 'important' topics.... like putting condoms on cucumbers, women's issues/studies, the 'Vagina Monologues', and worse.  I sure hope we are giving our kids locally a really good foundation in civics, history and government.  Of course, when as we become more and more dependent on 'outside' money, the 'outsiders' can dictate more and more of what the next generations are learning (or not learning).

I'm not sure that voting Republican is the lesser of the evils.  Though I'm conservative, I'm disgusted by many of the failures the Republican party to reclaim their conservative roots. 

Conserve:  to keep in a safe or sound state.

Like the Constitution, perhaps.

P.S.  Sarah, if we're lucky Pelosi will get one too many 'tucks' and her face will finally fall off!   ;D
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Sarah on November 11, 2009, 11:03:36 AM
Quote from: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 10:55:12 AM
Fascinating.  Not at all surprising, but fascinating!

And again, a lot of this goes back to education.  Why don't our elected representatives know and understand the Constitution?  Probably because they were being diverted from civics lessons and directed througout their school years to other 'important' topics.... like putting condoms on cucumbers, women's issues/studies, the 'Vagina Monologues', and worse.  I sure hope we are giving our kids locally a really good foundation in civics, history and government.  Of course, when as we become more and more dependent on 'outside' money, the 'outsiders' can dictate more and more of what the next generations are learning (or not learning).

I'm not sure that voting Republican is the lesser of the evils.  Though I'm conservative, I'm disgusted by many of the failures the Republican party to reclaim their conservative roots. 

Conserve:  to keep in a safe or sound state.

Like the Constitution, perhaps.

P.S.  Sarah, if we're lucky Pelosi will get one too many 'tucks' and her face will finally fall off!   ;D

ROTFL 

To be quite honest I've been a tad disgruntled with the Republican party.  I think they like to blend in with Dems too much and will give in to Dem ideas if there's enough "candy" thrown in there for them.  I would love to see more truly conservative Republicans in office.  I've heard that the Republican party is trying to get back to their conservative roots and I would like that very much if they did.  We'll see. 
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 11:17:33 AM
Let's face it, G W Bush was a vote for the 'lesser of the evils'.  And yet, as a neo-conservative, he did as much damage to our economy and liberty as any president before him.... of course, there is mr. Obama.  NOBODY can claim costing us as much as he has (or will if given the chance).

The primary elections and pressure on local and state Republican committees are the answer.  We need to find bright, new conservatives who understand the principal of conservation of the Constitution and our liberties.  And we need to send strong messages to those elected 'RINOs' who don't!

On a related matter, I hope the Republican party and esp. the right wing of that party will begin to learn that we can not use litmus tests based on abortion opposition as the only test of a candidate.  While I, personally, find abortion abhorrent, I can not use a candidate's view of the matter as the sole determinate of his or her qualification to serve.  Franklyion, the issue should never have been made a national issue.  Yet another example of the expansion of Federal government in violation of the principals of the constitution.

But, I digress...

Say.. if Pelosi and Reid were to marry, would that be considered a 'same sex' marriage, since it appears they are both, uh, sexless?
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: srkruzich on November 11, 2009, 12:01:57 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 11:17:33 AM


Say.. if Pelosi and Reid were to marry, would that be considered a 'same sex' marriage, since it appears they are both, uh, sexless?
I think they call that beastiality.
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: redcliffsw on November 11, 2009, 12:31:49 PM

Patriot-
I'm liking your postings and I agree with all you have stated, except I must say that the
Republican party has no conservative roots.  The foundation of the Republican
Party is Abraham Lincoln and there's the beginning of the compounded mess we have today.

European socialists were some of the first Republicans.  The Republicans changed this country
while never standing completely for the Constitution.

Nope, I'm not finding any conservative roots in the Republican party and we probably never will
see any.




Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 12:36:15 PM
Quote from: redcliffsw on November 11, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
Patriot-
I'm liking your postings and I agree with all you have stated, except I must say that the
Republican party has no conservative roots.  The foundation of the Republican
Party is Abraham Lincoln and there's the beginning of the compounded mess we have today.

European socialists were some of the first Republicans.  The Republicans changed this country
while never standing completely for the Constitution.

Nope, I'm not finding any conservative roots in the Republican party and we probably never will
see any.


Noted. And I agree.  But to post Liberatarian positions on here might just start a war.  lol
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: redcliffsw on November 11, 2009, 12:51:14 PM

Yeah, well I don't know that I could even support "libertarian" as some of them
have accepted the liberal and socialist agenda too. 

There seems to be many folks who could support and be part of a new party,
or maybe one already exists.
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
I haven't researched it personally, but I'm hearing rumblings of a Constitution Party.  It's getting some steam in the south.  Here is a link to the party's platform page:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Sarah on November 11, 2009, 01:25:45 PM
Quote from: Patriot on November 11, 2009, 12:56:49 PM
I haven't researched it personally, but I'm hearing rumblings of a Constitution Party.  It's getting some steam in the south.  Here is a link to the party's platform page:

http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platform.php

That's what I'm a member of.  I really like what they stand for. 
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Diane Amberg on November 11, 2009, 04:08:06 PM
Read it very carefully. I'm going to give a test. Here's the first question. Compare and contrast the pros and cons of allowing Puerto Rico to apply for statehood. The Constitution Party is against it. Why? I'll ask more questions later.
Title: Re: Constitutional contempt
Post by: Anmar on November 11, 2009, 04:17:40 PM
PAtriot,

I first registered republican but left soon after for the libertarian party.  I appreciate the link and although I haven't given the platform a full read, I've like the parts that i have read.  I just ask that the far right conservatives take a close look at this.  In my mind, even many conservatives are out of touch with the principals of the founders.  Take foreign policy for example.  The constitutional party is adamantly opposed to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars,  are you?