The question Barack Hussein Obama should be discussing with Clowns Rahm Emanual and David Alexrod, the bobble-headed twins, not excluding of course Speaker Pelosi and partner in crime, the Hon. Harry Reid, is how to make ObamaCare as attractive as "Cash for Clunkers".
Now, I have put alot of thought in this and here's what I've come up with. The popularity of "Cash for Clunkers" has nothing to do with the free lunch aspect. It is the intellectual elegance of the concept. Toward the beginning of the last century one of the European governments, (Hint: They've never won a war and their purfume stinks) concerned with the frequency of fatal railway accidents, established a commission to look into the matter. The commissioners soon discovered that by significant proportion most people killed in railway accidents had been sitting in the last car of the train. In a flash the elegant, cost-free solution to the problem flashed through the mind of the chief investigator. The commission would recommend that in future the last car be removed from all trains. Voilà!
That's the kind of thinking that has made "Cash for Clunkers" such a success. The beauty of it is that the model can be applied to ObamaCare at the slight cost of a few modest adjustments of vocabulary. Now, I think everyone agrees that the killer cost in health care is geriatric medicine. Right? But "geriatric medicine" is merely a euphemism that may disguise rather than identify the problem. Okay, Mr. Obama, let's call a spade a spade. The real problem here is us old geezers..... Right, Barry? First we get old. Then we get sick. Then we expect to see a doctor. Give us geezers an inch, we'll take a mile.... isn't that what you're thinking, Hussein? The suggested plan to create a special group of thanatological shrinks (commonly called the Kevorkian Corps), while undoubtedly well intentioned on your part, Bo, is actually an inadequate response. The health care crisis demands something more fundamental. Ah ha....the solution is obvious, though it may at first seem a little startling.... especially to me. Eliminate the last car on the train. Get us geezers off the road in the same way you are getting the clunkers off the road. Lets see now.... give the program a snappy title: "Grants for Gramps," perhaps, or better yet, "Gold for Geezers."
Quote from: Warph on August 12, 2009, 02:36:13 AM
The question Barack Hussein Obama should be discussing with Clowns Rahm Emanual and David Alexrod, the bobble-headed twins, not excluding of course Speaker Pelosi and partner in crime, the Hon. Harry Reid, is how to make ObamaCare as attractive as "Cash for Clunkers".
Now, I have put alot of thought in this and here's what I've come up with. The popularity of "Cash for Clunkers" has nothing to do with the free lunch aspect. It is the intellectual elegance of the concept. Toward the beginning of the last century one of the European governments, (Hint: They've never won a war and their purfume stinks) concerned with the frequency of fatal railway accidents, established a commission to look into the matter. The commissioners soon discovered that by significant proportion most people killed in railway accidents had been sitting in the last car of the train. In a flash the elegant, cost-free solution to the problem flashed through the mind of the chief investigator. The commission would recommend that in future the last car be removed from all trains. Voilà!
That's the kind of thinking that has made "Cash for Clunkers" such a success. The beauty of it is that the model can be applied to ObamaCare at the slight cost of a few modest adjustments of vocabulary. Now, I think everyone agrees that the killer cost in health care is geriatric medicine. Right? But "geriatric medicine" is merely a euphemism that may disguise rather than identify the problem. Okay, Mr. Obama, let's call a spade a spade. The real problem here is us old geezers..... Right, Barry? First we get old. Then we get sick. Then we expect to see a doctor. Give us geezers an inch, we'll take a mile.... isn't that what you're thinking, Hussein? The suggested plan to create a special group of thanatological shrinks (commonly called the Kevorkian Corps), while undoubtedly well intentioned on your part, Bo, is actually an inadequate response. The health care crisis demands something more fundamental. Ah ha....the solution is obvious, though it may at first seem a little startling.... especially to me. Eliminate the last car on the train. Get us geezers off the road in the same way you are getting the clunkers off the road. Lets see now.... give the program a snappy title: "Grants for Gramps," perhaps, or better yet, "Gold for Geezers."
People keep saying things like this but it has nothing to do with whats actually in the plan. Are you misinforming people on purpose or are you just saying this because you're buying into the corporate campaign to fight health care reform?
Quote from: Anmar on August 12, 2009, 08:24:46 AM
People keep saying things like this but it has nothing to do with whats actually in the plan. Are you misinforming people on purpose or are you just saying this because you're buying into the corporate campaign to fight health care reform?
Are you supporting the reform because you are a liberal or because you believe the gov't will stick to the "plan" exactly as it is worded, without any devation whatsoever? Afterall, the gov't would never stray or use "loopholes" to vary how a policy is carried out, right? I mean, they follow the Constitution to the letter, don't they???
I support Reform becuase our system sucks. By the way, where are your manners? My Kansas roots always taught me it's rude to answer a question with another question. The idea that the government is going to go out and try to kill old people is stupid. They've said a million times they aren't going to do it. Nearly everyone in the government has said that the proposed plans have nothing of the sort in it. We've posted the actual text here on the forums, yet you insist on being a mouthpiece for the insurance companies that oppose reform. If you don't like the plan, fine. Our system has been in bad shape for a long time and people finally have the willpower to change it. Come up with an idea of your own and be a part of the process or get out of the way. Sitting around spreading lies and insisting on stupidity (referring to ideas, not you personally) will get us nowhere.
How can the gov't propose to take care of everyone in this country, without rationing healthcare? The short answer is THEY CAN'T. And how do you think that rationing is going to be implemented? Do you honestly think that the quality care is going to be given to those who have few years left or to those whose inital investment hasn't already been made?
Billy, don't you think that rationed care is promoted by the insurance companies now?
I believe that in some of the threads about socialized medicine that some folks keep pointing to the canadian medical system as being a success. Wellllll Check this out!
Canadian Health Officials: Our Universal Health Care Is 'Sick,' Private Insurance Should Be Welcomed
Dr. Anne Doig, the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association, said her country's health care system is "sick" and "imploding," the Canadian Press reported.
"We know there must be change," Doig said in a recent interview. "We're all running flat out, we're all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands."
Canada's universal health care system is not giving patients optimal care, Doig added. When her colleagues from across the country gather at the CMA conference in Saskatoon Sunday, they will discuss changes that need to be made, she said.
"We all agree the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize," she said.
Read the rest at
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539943,00.html
Now why would we want obamacare when canada which is being used as a example is imploding!
Quote from: Anmar on August 16, 2009, 11:28:11 AM
The idea that the government is going to go out and try to kill old people is stupid. They've said a million times they aren't going to do it. Nearly everyone in the government has said that the proposed plans have nothing of the sort in it.
You actually believe them? :O The only time I believe government is when they tell you their going to raise taxes or restrict freedom. They're not going to admit to restricting healthcare to individuals.. at least not until they make it law and then its too late for us! So if they aren't going to deny medical care for the old and disabled then put it in writing! Remove the questionable wording in the document and make it so that they cannot possibly restrict medical care for the elderly or disabled. Simple wording you know, It would be like Any Medical care will not be denied to Elderly patients, nor disabled patients.
I am with the forefathers on this one. Never trust government in anything, restrict government to performing the basic essential needs of securing our nation, and chain it down so tight it cannot move without our (the peoples) say so. Keep the demon in its cage until its absolutely necessary to unleash it in the defense of our country.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 17, 2009, 11:46:34 AM
Perhaps we could look at the German Health care model, I hear that one works well.
Oh lord you don't want that model. DO you realize that everyone in germany has to get rid of their possessions every year or get taxed on them? The tax is so high that its cheaper that they throw out all their furniture, tv's electronics ect every year and buy new ones.
On top of that their taxes are unbelievable on income.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on August 17, 2009, 12:01:21 PM
;D ;D ;D ( I knew that, but I didn't know it was quite that bad. Had a German friend here for 4 years for school and he talked about a lot.) Ok, How about Australia? ;D ;D ;D
Oh germany is very bad. One of buddies was stationed there and he and his wife would go out on tax day and pick up stuff from the curbs. He furnished his entire apartment for free every year. Since he was US military he didn't have to pay the taxes.
But its even worse than that. IF you own a pet, you have to have a license, a permit and pay a pet tax every year.
Diane and sixdogs, yes, to a point insurance compaines ration healthcare, and in some cases even drop clients and deny clients because of preexisting conditions. However, that being said, if you don't like your policy you are still free to choose another one. Plus, can you show me one case of a person who needed emegerency medical care and was denied it in this country?? Yes, we need some type of HEALTHCARE reform, however, I don't want the gov't (which can't seem to manage the postal service, a cash for clunkers program, hell, even a brothel) to be in charge of decideing who gets what. Espcially folks who support late term abortions, partial birth abortions, eugenics. Do a little background research on some of obamas advisers, the results may shock you.
Diane, I worked (a very short time) as an ER receptionist, I know about the druggies that come in looking for a fix. And I do pay for them, in the form of mark ups on services. Emergency services would be things like gunshots, temp.s over 102 (age depending), labor, heart attack, and generally any immediate life threatening aliments. Broken bones, while painful, are generally not life threatening, however, even those get treated. In Las Vegas, the university medical center is reporting that illegal immigrants are now flocking to them for dialysis, the cost of which makes up roughly 1/3 of their yearly operating expense. Even if the insurance companies refuse payment, most hospitals will work with people and allow them to make payments.
Diane, in some parts of the country you can get a Medicare HMO that costs less but you get the lower end HMO care. There are lots of options in part D, the prescription part of Medicare. Be certain to investigate those thoroughly before committing to one.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 18, 2009, 11:49:28 AM
Diane, in some parts of the country you can get a Medicare HMO that costs less but you get the lower end HMO care. There are lots of options in part D, the prescription part of Medicare. Be certain to investigate those thoroughly before committing to one.
Uhmm why would you want a medicare hmo? Medicare part a and b covers everything. Part D however is extremely expensive and why not instead of getting part d go and get your prescriptions for 5 dollars a prescription from the pharmaceutical companies. Shrug.
The pharmacies have for years given their meds to limited income folks for 5 dollars or free.
Steve there is no co-pay with the medicare HMO. And sorry but there are lots of meds that cost more than $5.00, not all meds have a generic equivalent. For instance, Lexapro and Mirapex that I am familiar with. I am fortunate that I do not require monthly meds but I certainly carry the insurance. That way I do not have to make any compromises when I do need them. Also I don't have to wait in the long lines and deal with the uninformed at Walmart. My local pharmacy knows me and my doctor so if there are any problems it is cleared away within a few minutes and not days.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 18, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Steve there is no co-pay with the medicare HMO. And sorry but there are lots of meds that cost more than $5.00, not all meds have a generic equivalent.
I'm sorry but the pharmaceutical companies are sending folks 3 mo supplies for 5 dollars. you just have to apply for it. THey send them directly to you or your doctor, not through walmart or any other pharmacy.
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YOu can get all those drugs you listed for 5.00 each or free in some cases.
Quote from: sixdogsmom on August 18, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Steve there is no co-pay with the medicare HMO.
how much does this hmo cost ya along with your part A and part B premium.
Sorry, I don't know that Steve; I am not certain that it is offered in this area.
I am so happy to know old Geezers are going to Heaven. :angel: :angel:
Diane, does your big trama center ever give a reason for the bypass? 20mins....your fortunate, that is not that far.