The NEA provides good reason(s) for private schools and home schooling.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.aspx?id=603580
Your post was linked to an article on how the NEA is backing gay marriage. Interesting but nothing about home schooling.
I was an NEA ,DSEA and MSTA member for many years. Red, what's the problem?
Maybe she's trying to send out false leads to cover the fact that she's on the school board?? lol
I believe, and this is a supposition, that Red is trying to correlate the idea that since members of the NEA are favoring gay marriage that they would do so in the classroom and accordingly we should not send our children to public schools where they would be so twisted by the simple concept that the government should be attempting to trample over the rights of gay couples that would like to marry.
Catwoman- I mentioned the homeshcooling with no indication
of homeschooling being in the article.
Well Diane, it's no surpirse that you have been a member of those
groups. What else are you a member?
Red, as I've retired back some I've dropped a few memberships, but am now or have been a member of AARP, National Association of EMTs, NFPA, Delaware Volunteer Fireman's Asc., Cumberland Valley Fireman's Asc., the others I mentioned before, and even NRA. I wanted to join Eastern Star but just couldn't find the time to do it justice. Why do you ask?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 16, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Red, as I've retired back some I've dropped a few memberships, but am now or have been a member of AARP, National Association of EMTs, NFPA, Delaware Volunteer Fireman's Asc., Cumberland Valley Fireman's Asc., the others I mentioned before, and even NRA. I wanted to join Eastern Star but just couldn't find the time to do it justice. Why do you ask?
Diane, are you now or have you ever been been a member of the communist party?
Diane, you are here by directed to report to Manzanar.
NEA members are to to be counted as 3/5 of a person.
Sorry for the sarcasm. My hot buttons have been hit recently and I will follow Teresa's move and bite my tongue.
David
Shades of the 1787 constitutional compromise when the northern and southern states agreed that a slave was three fifths of a person when it came to the census and the drawing of house of representatives jurisdictional lines.
Quote from: W. Gray on July 16, 2009, 04:34:52 PM
Shades of the 1787 constitutional compromise when the northern and southern states agreed that a slave was three fifths of a person when it came to the census and the drawing of house of representatives jurisdictional lines.
Waldo, thanks for the history lesson. My hope is people will pay more attention to your history lesson and look it up: than pay attention to my sarcastic rant. My lesson has to do with the rudeness and name calling that hits the forum periodically. Our parents taught us about that and seems as adults we choose to ignore it sometimes. Your history lesson is less known and very\more important.
David
Red, that is an interesting article, and you are absolutely correct, it does provide good reason for home or private schooling. As if more reasons were needed. What really pisses me off about groups like the NEA is that they say they want to offer an alternative point of view, but yet they often fight against anyone whose views are oppisite of theirs. In an article that was linked to the one you posted, schools are dening the parents the right to "opt out" their child from classes that teach so-called diversity. Does anyone else see a problem here or am I just being, in the words of the NEAs retiring general counsel Bob Chanin, a "right wing conservative bastard"?
Billy, you're right on. Used to be that Americans would not
have any desire to attach themselves to such a group.
Yeah, well, that was before the indoctrination of our children began. Even in a small, rural school I have to deprogram my children sometimes.
I have found the thing that works is public education AND home education AND life education. I do not believe in only "letting" my kids learn what is "correct" in any ONE person or groups opinion. Kids grow when you respect the fact that they have the brains to" sift thru the chaff to find the wheat" so to speak. If you teach your kids the WHOLE story instead of the version you personally like they turn out to be well-adjusted discerning adults with their OWN minds instead of some VERSION of somebody elses.
Teachin a kid prejudice does nobody any good especially them. This whole gay marriage thing is ridiculous...if two gay people want to get married in a courthouse who cares? It ain't like they want to marry YOU! It doesn't threaten MY marriage in any way shape or form. I personally don't "get" bein gay......but whatever I guess as long as it's two adults.....the rest is between them and God.
Don't even bother unloadin on me...I'm givin an opinion...MINE....not tryin to convince you you are wrong.
My considered opinion is, if the gays want to make the same idiot marriage mistake that the heterosexuals are making, let them...The US Consititution guarantees everyone the right to make a complete fool of themselves.
I'm young and single cat, don't ruin it for me! :'(
Pam, as a parent I can see your point. I feel that it is my duty to teach my children the difference between right and wrong. What I don't agree with is public schools trying to undermine that authority. It is not their place to do that. I don't think that teaching children about diversity is a bad thing. I just don't feel that it can be taught by someone who refers to the opposing viewpoint as "right wing conservative bastards."
I agree that two consenting adults should be able to do what they want in their bedroom. Thats their business. However, when society says that it wants marriage defined as being between a man and a woman, thats the way it ought to be.
Quote from: Anmar on July 17, 2009, 12:32:22 PM
I'm young and single cat, don't ruin it for me! :'(
Hey...I'm not out to ruin anything for you...If you've got the stomach for it, go for it! lol Just make sure you don't settle for whatever will place itself constantly in front of you. Just because it's there doesn't mean that it's the right choice. Having to "settle" will do nothing but suck the life out of you.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on July 17, 2009, 04:38:36 PM
Pam, as a parent I can see your point. I feel that it is my duty to teach my children the difference between right and wrong. What I don't agree with is public schools trying to undermine that authority. It is not their place to do that. I don't think that teaching children about diversity is a bad thing. I just don't feel that it can be taught by someone who refers to the opposing viewpoint as "right wing conservative bastards."
I agree that two consenting adults should be able to do what they want in their bedroom. Thats their business. However, when society says that it wants marriage defined as being between a man and a woman, thats the way it ought to be.
Billy, society can say whatever they want. Marriage is not a government function and it should stay out. I have my own moral opinions on what a marriage should be. As long as no one is being injured (by the legal definition) I think we should be free to do whatever we want. (i.e. your freedom of speech ends where the other persons nose begins.)
David
The biggest thing i have against the NEA is how they have managed to make sure no teacher can get fired. I don't believe a teacher should have tenure Period. I think their employment should be based on a pass/fail rate. if 85% of your class passes you keep your job and base raises on levels above 85%.
Billy, were you homeschooled or did you go to public or private school?
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 17, 2009, 07:32:31 PM
Tenure was to keep people from trying to black mail the teachers to get good grades for their kids. In general, really bad teachers don't last long enough to ever get tenure. I can't speak for anywhere except for where I worked, but we had announced and unannounced evaluations several times a year.Teachers who had weak spots were given remedial help. If necessary, teachers were put on probation. If it just wasn't working out, some were offered a different level or a different school.Usually there was a meeting of the minds and some teachers would go into another field. Some found out during their 15 weeks of student teaching that it just wasn't for them and went on to related fields not in the classroom.
Plus that...If a school district wants you gone bad enough, it doesn't matter if you have tenure or not...If they want you gone, they'll find a way to get rid of you. The myth that tenure grants you immunity is totally false. All tenure does is guarantee you that the school district has to have given you the reason why you're being fired, after having had to have given you a chance to improve on your weak spots. It is only during the first three years (how long a previously non-tenured teacher has to wait) or first two years (a previously tenured teacher only has to wait two years to be granted tenure again, in a different district) that a school district can non-renew you and not have to give you a reason as to why they didn't renew your contract. If you've got truly bad teachers who are continuing from year to year with impunity, then your real problem is that you've got administrators who are not doing their jobs correctly. All the administrator has to do is compile documentation that the teacher in question has not improved after being put on a Plan of Improvement...Of course, that means that the administrator would actually have to be working, doesn't it, instead of just walking around, making sure that the Board of Education is still happy with them.
Quote from: dnalexander on July 16, 2009, 03:43:11 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 16, 2009, 03:33:33 PM
Red, as I've retired back some I've dropped a few memberships, but am now or have been a member of AARP, National Association of EMTs, NFPA, Delaware Volunteer Fireman's Asc., Cumberland Valley Fireman's Asc., the others I mentioned before, and even NRA. I wanted to join Eastern Star but just couldn't find the time to do it justice. Why do you ask?
Diane, are you now or have you ever been been a member of the communist party?
Diane, you are here by directed to report to Manzanar.
NEA members are to to be counted as 3/5 of a person.
Sorry for the sarcasm. My hot buttons have been hit recently and I will follow Teresa's move and bite my tongue.
David
Don't feel sorry, JimmyO...
STAY MAD.... you are feeling the same as (...what is becoming the majority of...) millions of sensible people who are starting to see what this monster and his democratic morons are doing to America today. I recommend that everyone who has any sense and not wanting America destroyed,
THIS IS THE GROUP TO JOIN: In the name of politeness and racial harmony, not wanting to appear unfair or biased, we conservatives and moderates have held our collective tongues about Obama. It is time
NOW to yell, scream, write, email, phone, assemble, picket, protest, and make our dissent heard in Congress, the White House, and the ever powerful media.
We, the people, is plural. Let's join together; we don't have to be each other's politcal clones or be polarized as foes!
United WE (that's us, again)
Stand. Right now we are divided and we are falling/failing to make our collective voices heard.
WE, the people, elected this President.
He is beholden to
US as citizens
REMEMBER... HE WORKS FOR US, PEOPLE!This is no time to be polite or passive, waiting out Obama's four years of spend and destroy. This is the time to hog tie our elected officials to do our bidding. Otherwise, they are all history, and we'll send people to Congress in 2010 and 2012 who will listen to us!
Talk money - talk straight - talk support to the staff members of your district/state reps. There is power in your phone calls and emails. You are not helpless. No need to use coarse language - just the facts that you are unhappy with Obama and the overall conduct of Congress.
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 17, 2009, 07:32:31 PM
Tenure was to keep people from trying to black mail the teachers to get good grades for their kids. In general, really bad teachers don't last long enough to ever get tenure. I can't speak for anywhere except for where I worked, but we had announced and unannounced evaluations several times a year.Teachers who had weak spots were given remedial help. If necessary, teachers were put on probation. If it just wasn't working out, some were offered a different level or a different school.Usually there was a meeting of the minds and some teachers would go into another field. Some found out during their 15 weeks of student teaching that it just wasn't for them and went on to related fields not in the classroom.
Then you have the old gals that have worked int he system for over 25 years and when you ask them to do their job they tell you that they don't have to work with your learning disabled kid that their just only there to get their retirement. Of all the ones i have ran into like that, only 1 got transferred none got terminated for not doing thier job.
I even had one teacher that thought they had the right to take my child off campus 150 miles away without notifying me much less obtaining my permission. They laughed at me when i told them that this would not ever happen again, and that if it did i would take them to court over it. They told me well go ahead i have plenty of lawyers at my disposal and i'll be retired before you ever see a day in court
And this is not a unusual thing happening. You'll find it all over the US.
greatguns, I went to public school, why?
Billy, yesterday I saw an "independent school", South across from
the elevator in Grenola - at least that's what the sign indicated.
We need more of 'em.
The old gals,huh? What about the old guys! :P :P
Billy,why? Just curious. We have talked about private and public schools as well as being home schooled.
Forming a local school is a great idea,
as long as the Feds & state & NEA are not involved.
I completely agree, as long as there is no movement by that 'independent' school to grab tax dollars for their kids or to have them take PE, Music, or other courses at the public school (like the homeschoolers do)...As long as that 'independent' school operates completely outside of public tax dollars, then more power to them. If you're going to suck at the public trough, then your children should be enrolled in the public school. I'll never forget the public school teacher I met here in Wichita who was homeschooling her kids...She was accepting the public's tax dollars in her paycheck, yet the public school wasn't good enough for her kids ('they would get exposed to things')...And yet, she had the gall to insist that her kids be allowed to come to the public school to partake of their PE, Music and Computer classes. What a hypocritic leech.
If her children aren't allowed to attend some of the public school classes then none of her tax dollars should go to its funding.
I completely agree. A complete break between the two makes sense. Rather like the separation of church and state...I don't believe the private schools should receive federal funding (or vouchers), either.
Vouchers are a way to let the Fed's participate in education.
The Fed indoctrination is not in line with American principles.
Patriotism is being destroyed by the Fed's.
Uh, Red, we're discussing schools/teachers/the NEA...Not patriotism...Stick to the subject.
Quote from: Catwoman on July 19, 2009, 11:28:14 AM
I completely agree. A complete break between the two makes sense. Rather like the separation of church and state...I don't believe the private schools should receive federal funding (or vouchers), either.
That would be fine if parents who send their children to private schools don't have to pay any taxes that go towards public schools. On the other hand, if public schools weren't dumbed down quite so much, and the standards raised I think that alot of private schools parents would consider public schools.
Catwoman-
Alright I'll try to stay on the subject here.
Yes, the public schools and NEA are destroying patriotism in the USA.