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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: redcliffsw on July 15, 2009, 06:25:10 AM

Title: Racial Apology
Post by: redcliffsw on July 15, 2009, 06:25:10 AM
America's money-grubbing, racial extortionists


Tell me how an apology for slavery and Jim Crow makes blacks any better off. The answer, of course, is that it doesn't. But to that point, it never was about apologies was it? It has always been about reparations.

Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., head of the Congressional Black Caucus said, "I would not want to have any language in place that would deny anyone, any citizen, the right to address a grievance." For those not familiar with legalese – "right to address a grievance" is a benign way of saying, "right to sue for megabucks based on a real or perceived wrong."

Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said, "I feel that some method other than just an apology should be made – people should be whole." Once again, for those not familiar with the language, "should be made whole," simplistically put, means "should get a ton of money to repair a complaint."

And that is exactly what has these elapidal, greedy, money-grubbing, racial extortionists so exercised. They want money, and the apology is simply the viscous lubricant that greases the machinations of their intent. Even more egregious is the fact that most of the black citizenry, being overcome with their own dreams of what reparation dollars will buy – are too blind and/or jaundiced to understand that they are the useful idiots in a much larger and more complex shell-game.

rest of the story:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=102531





Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Catwoman on July 15, 2009, 07:33:43 PM
Ah, yes...Pull out the race card when you don't have anything more erudite to post...<yawn>.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: kshillbillys on July 15, 2009, 07:48:29 PM
I read the entire story and found it most interesting. Thank you Red.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 15, 2009, 09:21:03 PM
Good post Red.  I would have thought that after electing a black president this country was beyond color lines.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: redcliffsw on July 16, 2009, 04:24:49 PM
Walter Williams' views on the Senate slavery apology.

Last month, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed Senate Resolution 26 "Apologizing for the enslavement and racial segregation of African-Americans." The resolution ends with: "Disclaimer – Nothing in this resolution (a) authorizes or supports any claim against the United States; or (b) serves as a settlement of any claim against the United States." That means Congress apologizes but is not going to pay reparations, as least for now.

Members of the Congressional Black Caucus have expressed concerns about the disclaimer, thinking that it's an attempt to stave off reparations claims from the descendants of slaves. Congressional Black Caucus Chairwoman Barbara Lee, D-Calif., said her organization is studying the language of the resolution, and Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., said "putting in a disclaimer takes away from the meaning of an apology. A number of us are prepared to vote against it in its present form. There are several members of the Progressive Caucus who feel the same way."

It goes without saying that slavery was a gross violation of human rights. Justice would demand that all the perpetrators – that includes slave owners, and African and Arab slave sellers – make compensatory reparation payments to victims. Since slaves, slave owners and slave sellers are no longer with us, such compensation is beyond our reach and a matter to be settled in the world beyond.

Absent from the reparations debate is: Who pays? Don't say the government because the government doesn't have any money that it doesn't first take from some American. So which Americans owe black people what? Reparations advocates don't want that question asked but let's you and I

rest of story:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=103223


Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 17, 2009, 08:04:31 AM
When will these reparations idiots realize that they are still slaves??  They claim to want equality and to be treated the same as everyone else, yet their support for people like Luis Farrakan, Bennie Thompson, and groups like the New Black Panther Party, The nation of Islam, only serve to further the agenda of segration and racial inequality.  When will they open their eyes to the fact that the very people who claim to be fighting for their "rights" work for the gobalist elitists they claim to be fighting against??  Think about it.  In this country the power of gov't comes from the people.  What better way to maintain power than to keep the people divided over something as simple and stupid as racial lines?  If people would just stop and think for a minute, they would realize that this country has been governed by a "soft tryanny" for a very long time.  Don't they have any idea the power they would have if they were to unite as one group, blacks, whites, asians, everyone together to serve a common goal, the greatest goal of all, freedom?...But no, we have been dumbed down and infected with the idea that the "race" is important. 
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Jo McDonald on July 17, 2009, 09:35:23 AM
And O is keeping the fight alive and well, by always telling the blacks that things will get better for them through him.  If he would just quit harping on "the way they are treated" things would be forgiven and then they could be happy as they should be allowed to be.  It would be great to hear from those that have done well, and are still doing well, to let the nation know we all can do well, if we care to. There are a lot of people - all races -  that have not done well, because they do not care to do so.  You have to help yourself up, not just reach you hand out for someone else to pull you along.  As long as "he" keeps stirring the pot, the longer it is going to boil.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Anmar on July 17, 2009, 12:43:27 PM
This is one of those things that people talk about to rile people up.  It's never going to be done, it's not really being talked about any more now than it has been for the last 15 years.  It's like the equal time thing on the radio.  It's just not going to happen, but you all can keep being mad over it if you want.

Read.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-08-02-candidate_N.htm
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 17, 2009, 05:06:13 PM
It is not just obama stirring the pot, Jo.  It is the leaders among the black community that insist on preaching about "making things better".  Everyone in this country has the same oppurtunity......., different means, yes, but the same chance.  The minorities need to realize that they can achieve whatever they want, so long as they are willing to work for it. 
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: dnalexander on July 17, 2009, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on July 17, 2009, 08:04:31 AM
When will these reparations idiots realize that they are still slaves??  They claim to want equality and to be treated the same as everyone else, yet their support for people like Luis Farrakan, Bennie Thompson, and groups like the New Black Panther Party, The nation of Islam, only serve to further the agenda of segration and racial inequality.  When will they open their eyes to the fact that the very people who claim to be fighting for their "rights" work for the gobalist elitists they claim to be fighting against??  Think about it.  In this country the power of gov't comes from the people.  What better way to maintain power than to keep the people divided over something as simple and stupid as racial lines?  If people would just stop and think for a minute, they would realize that this country has been governed by a "soft tryanny" for a very long time.  Don't they have any idea the power they would have if they were to unite as one group, blacks, whites, asians, everyone together to serve a common goal, the greatest goal of all, freedom?...But no, we have been dumbed down and infected with the idea that the "race" is important. 

Billy, If I were to write this post I would have used a little less drama. I think the concepts you are stating, if you boil things down to the point, are very true. I love your use of the words "soft tyranny" . I also, think we should all unite to better govern our country. I think most people have given up, talk a good game - yet do nothing about it, or are too busy with their daily life to participate. Maybe that is what the "soft tyrants" have orchestrated and depend on. Maybe your drama is necessary to wake people up. Good post overall.

David
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 18, 2009, 01:52:47 PM
I am not dramatic, I am angry.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Catwoman on July 18, 2009, 08:13:31 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Teresa on July 18, 2009, 11:03:33 PM
I'll double that Catwoman..... ::) ::)
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 19, 2009, 08:26:13 AM
Yes, Diane, I am satisfied with quite a bit in my life.  Forgive me for being angry when I see the Ideals and Principles that I grew up believing America stood for, being trampled and walked on by a socialist president that would like to see freedom abolished.  Pardon me if it gets my dander up when a bunch of people, who grew up a free country, sit idlly by and say nothing, or worse yet, gladly hand over their freedoms for more government control. 

Let me ask you a question Diane, is there anything in your life that you are willing to take a stand for??
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: pamsback on July 19, 2009, 09:00:00 AM
Seems to me like Diane takes plenty of stands...they just don't agree with yours a lot  ;D
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Catwoman on July 19, 2009, 09:01:41 AM
Re-read her posts, Billy...She's taken a stand, quite capably, on everything that has come across this Forum.  Her point, given quite gently in my opinion, is that you might get further in getting your point across if you weren't appearing to be screaming about it from every angle.  The key is excess within control...'Screaming' appears out of control.  I say this because you DO have some valid points, Billy...I have found myself, on occasion, agreeing with you...Believe it or not!  :laugh:
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Teresa on July 19, 2009, 09:34:18 AM
And sadly.. even  talking sensibly with control... ( or screaming) will never get through to some of them. :(
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Catwoman on July 19, 2009, 11:25:36 AM
Boy, is that ever the truth, Teresa...
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Diane Amberg on July 19, 2009, 05:27:44 PM
Billy, I have taken many a stand in my day. I have written letters, made phone calls and even went to some protest rallies before you were even born. I found long ago that I personally get what I want much easier with a velvet glove, not a bull whip. I can be very persistent when I need to be, but I'm not a radical...I work inside the system. The name calling, cussing, generalities and fist waving doesn't affect me one bit.
As I have said many times, I'm not for gun control. But in some big cities where certain areas are out of control I can see the frustration. I'd like to see them step up the 'Jump Out Squads". That takes a lot of guns out of the hands of the bad guys. As far as Pres. Obama goes, I'm still waiting. I'm very patient.This country is a huge ship, it takes awhile to turn. I am worried about health care reform. Right now I'm researching what I'll do In Jan. when I turn 65.There are a lot of plans out there to supplement Medicare and I have to pick what I want. Being totally selfish about it, that's what I'm needing to do right now, not worrying about whether Billy and Red like my way of thinking. They don't, so be it. Being rude isn't going to bait me or change my mind, unless facts and circumstances change and then I'll reevaluate what I think. Even Thomas Jefferson thought the Constitution should be reevaluated every 19 years. Why isn't that ever mentioned? I'm a confirmed "middle of the roader" and if I get run down while some folks are marching on Washington, so be it. More than likely I'd be standing by on the ambulance to help anyone who needed it. Some of us just like that.

Just don't complain about me to Teresa...that's not fair and I don't want her treated that way. I stayed pretty much off the political forum for a long time because of that. My feelings weren't hurt, I just thought the people out there had more class than that. So have at it. Debates are fine as long as people know how and don't make it personal...by the way, I've never been a member of the Communist Party and I never even met Joe McCarthy. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Catwoman on July 19, 2009, 08:33:35 PM
Well said, Diane!  Brava!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 20, 2009, 04:49:49 AM
Diane, I have never "complained" to Teresa or anyone else about what is said on here.  If others feel the same way as I do and wish to speak their mind, while it is appreciated, that is Their decision.  I have kept my postings unpersonal unless someone comes at me first, then I hit back.  I don't think it shows much class making a personal attack even when desguised with sarcasm or wit.

As for velvet gloves..I don't have much use for them.  I don't like candycoating things or beating around the bush..it wastes time.  I say what I feel and if others don't like it, or think that it is to blunt or harsh...oh f^@king well.  I know some on here will agree with me and say "yeah, me too" yet acccuse me of being rude when I do it.  How very Liberal of them. 

As for this country being a big ship, you're right to a point...however, it is not turning, it is sinking.  I don't need to wait until the water is knee deep until I start looking for a personal floation device and a life boat.  And don't worry about health care, if obamacare is passed all your decisions will be made for you.

As for "middle of the road" folks...from what I have seen, they are nothing more than fence riders that wait to see which side is going to win and then jump off saying "oh yeah, I was for this or that all along".  But that is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Teresa on July 20, 2009, 09:35:22 AM
Well said, Billy!  Brava!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D
((That looked so good when Catwoman did it that I wanted to copy it.. ))  :D

And I will concur that  Billy has never ever complained to me about another member.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: Varmit on July 21, 2009, 04:32:23 AM
Diane, you bring up a good point about healt care.  You mention that all people have to do is to look at their own coverage and they will find limits.  Thats THEIR coverage that THEY CHOOSE to purchase.  They were not forced into a certain program or policy, which is exactly what obamacare will do.  There is a provision in the bill that prohibits private insurance companies from signing up any new customers after the bill is put into effect.  It also stiffles competition by setting limits on how much a doctor or hospital will be paid under the government plan.  Not only that but the gov't won't be limited by the rules and regulations that private insurance has to abide by. 

I will admit that our current system has flaws and needs work, but nationalizing it will cause more problems than it will solve. 

Also, I was not generalizing about "middle roaders".  My comment stated, and I quote myself here, "...from what I have seen...", meaning that I have learned from my expirence in dealing with these folks that they are fence riders that always look for so-called compromise.  Well, I am no longer willing to compromise my freedom or constitution.  We are at a point in this country where we no longer have time to "wait and see". 
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: srkruzich on July 21, 2009, 07:18:27 AM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 20, 2009, 10:32:58 AM
Or they make a tiny change in a formulation so it won't come off patent. That has nothing to do with who the President is. The mark ups are outrageous.

I used to think that til i ended up needing one of those New drugs.  The cost to produce the new drug was something like 100 million.  Ranexa was the first calcium blocker to be released to the market.  I suffered constant level 5 angina for many many years, that is until ranexa came on the market.  Once i got it, within 2 days my angina went away for the most part.  The drug regulates the QT on a heart signal, lengthening the frequency from the end of the T signal to the beginning of the Q signal.

Now this drug works and works very well and it only helps about 65,000 patients across this country.  Note i did not say Canada cause it is not sold in canada because Canadian Government won't allow it to be sold UNLESS the company sells it for what they approve the price to be.  The company cannot afford to sell it to the canadian patients.   They have to recoup their R&D costs to start with

The drug sells for 500 dollars for 30 day supply of 1000 mg.   
Is it worth it?  You bet.  What is a shame is that Canadians cannot get the drug because of Government meddling in their health care. it would save lives if they would just get out of the regulation business. AND this drug would not be possible if it weren't for OUR current form of healthcare and drug research without Government regulation on availability and price.!!
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: srkruzich on July 21, 2009, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2009, 04:01:02 PM
You are taking what some would call an orphan drug.....not many take it, which does make it very expensive. I'm glad it works for you! You definitely don't want your T segment buried in the next P wave. It might short out.
   For those who don't know, the little P wave comes first. It isn't very tall and is the heart gathering it's electrical energy getting ready to fire. The QRS complex is next and is the one that jumps up and then down again.That's the actual electrical firing that is followed by the heart mechanically squeezing to squirt blood out and move it forward. Then comes the little t wave which is the electricial relaxation of the heart. Then it starts all over again. The width of the spaces  between the complexes and the height of the lines all have meaning.Too high, too low, too close together or too far apart can mean trouble. Drugs can help. Some such as Nitroglycerin( NTG) and Coumadin are cheap to make and are used by millions. Steve, I gather NTG wasn't helping enough...unstable angina?  R and D costs for truly new drugs are high of course, but so is all the unnecessary advertising.  Some of the old tried and trues have been around for years and have no business being sold for as much as they are.       

True but teh point is that if they destroy incentive to research and produce these new drugs, then you can just toss health care out the door.  I got a trip bypass in 2001.  I had a second one 6 years later in 2007.  The difference in the two bypasses were night and day and this is because research into new methods had gone on in those 6 years.

Right now i am on a drug called plavix.  This drug has done what no other drug did before when i had my stents put in 10 years ago.  IF i had this drug back then i wouldn't have had bypass.

The point is when they decide to nationalize healthcare then there is no incentive or reason to research and invest millions of dollars into producing a new drug or technique to fix health.  If its going to cost more to produce it than they can make off of it then it won't happen.
Title: Re: Racial Apology
Post by: srkruzich on July 21, 2009, 08:18:31 PM
Quote from: Diane Amberg on July 21, 2009, 04:01:02 PM
Steve, I gather NTG wasn't helping enough...unstable angina?  R and D costs for truly new drugs are high of course, but so is all the unnecessary advertising.  Some of the old tried and trues have been around for years and have no business being sold for as much as they are.       
well i was going through 100 Nitros a month.  coumadin didn't do anything for me except make me bleed.  If i got a nick anywhere it took forever to stop bleeding.