I PLEDGE ALLEGIENCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.. . . . . I'm not seeing much of that on this forum.
I have to disagree Flo.. I think that the amount of people getting involved in this small forum section tells a pretty big story.
I think we have proven that we here, have a whole lot of allegiance to our Flag of the United States.
I know that there are some on here that think that the Political section is depressing. Well right now.. our state of affairs IS depressing and scary as hell. Now we can all close our doors and blinds and choose not to listen or look at what is outside, but everything in here that is being posted and discussed is out in our world going on. Right now! Right this very minute! And what you see in here.. Magnify and multiply by 10,000. And I realize it isn't as pleasant to talk about or read about as the Elk Connected section or the recipes.. BUT........ we can't turn a blind eye and a deaf ear to what is happening to our country.
Catwoman 's thread about WHY you like to live in America is a shining example of WHY we all need to stay on top of all that is going on with OPEN eyes. If you love your America.. you better wake up..stay on top of things so if there is a crack in the door to getting these bums out..or if there really is another Revolution fixing to take place.. You will be able to be ready for whatever side you are willing to be on.
I think there is LOTS of true Patriots in here who are not willing to stand idly by to watch America become what our current administration is striving for it to be. He will not win. We The People Can Not let him win!
(http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj216/marshalette/political/american_flag_.jpg)
Debate and discussion about the future of our great nation is an extremely patriotic activity i think. We take the time to discuss things because we all care so much.
Quote from: Anmar on June 19, 2009, 05:28:32 PM
Debate and discussion about the future of our great nation is an extremely patriotic activity i think. We take the time to discuss things because we all care so much.
Well said Anmar. One of the problems with discussing it is you will be offended, pissed off, told off, offend others etc. It isn't always fun, but it is the only way to resolve problems. Many people choose to just not participate. To all of you that do participate thanks.
David
And i am guilty of being offended at one point or another, can't help it, i get too passionate about it sometimes.
I gotta agree with Teresa. There are a lot of those of this forum who are very passionate about stating their thoughts on freedom, the flag, the beauty of our country, and of course, the prez. So while we may not say the pledge of allegiance to our flag daily, it is always there in our hearts. And in the politics section we are not all going to agree on everything but we have the freedom to say how we feel.
As far as being offended, I am not easily offended about anything. I know none of you personally except for my cousins and whatever they feel about me they have already told me! I have never been personally offended by anyone on this forum and if I thought someone was offending me, I wouldn't bother to read their posts anymore.
Larryj
The socialist Francis Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance (POA).
http://www.oldtimeislands.org/pledge/pledge.htm
:-\ sorry you all missed my point. It's not just saying the pledge of allegience to our Flag, it's living the pledge itself. Pledging allegience to the Republic for which it stands, altho I guess nit-picking at everything the government does is nothing new, but holy cow, once in awhile I would like to read something good instead of something "found" on the internet to knock it - - Indivisible (that seems to be something nobody cares about anymore) - - Justice for ALL and now I'm out of here, AGAIN, and sorry for opening my mouth.
You really should know better by now Flo, but nice try! :-*
All right Flo, you don't want us nit picking everything the gov't does, fine. Show me something good the gov't has done lately.
Living the pledge? What if the founding fathers had
been "living the pledge"?
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3296
Flo, I agree with you. Too many of our younger people don't know what "living the pledge" means. Or maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "allegiance". Allegiance means helping your drunk buddy get home safely, and not dragging his sorry butt through the mud on the way.
I hear you Ma.
Am I wrong or is it the left wing liberal Democrats that want the Pledge of Allegiance taken out of school because it has the word God in it? Now ya'll are bitching about the "young" kids not saying the Pledge or Living the Pledge? Comes back to bite ya'll in the ass don't it?
Is there something bad about removing the POA from the schools?
Try this again:
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3296
What is the matter with you Conservative Right forum members you should be honoring the Flag just like Obama in the article quoted below:
Barack Obama Captured on Tape Not Putting His Hand Over His Heart During The National Anthem
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Illinois Senator Barack Obama finds himself at the center of yet another controversy as conservatives continue their assault on his patriotism, if you can believe that.
The Democratic presidential hopeful is captured on film at a steak fry sponsored by Iowa Senator Tom Harkin. A closer look shows that Obama, unlike his Democratic colleagues, isn't putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Can you believe this? That's an outrage.
Quote from: frawin on June 20, 2009, 01:56:01 PM
What is the matter with you Conservative Right forum members you should be honoring the Flag just like Obama in the article quoted below:
Barack Obama Captured on Tape Not Putting His Hand Over His Heart During The National Anthem
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Illinois Senator Barack Obama finds himself at the center of yet another controversy as conservatives continue their assault on his patriotism, if you can believe that.
The Democratic presidential hopeful is captured on film at a steak fry sponsored by Iowa Senator Tom Harkin. A closer look shows that Obama, unlike his Democratic colleagues, isn't putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Can you believe this? That's an outrage.
I learned my flag etiquette form my dad,mom, and in Scouts. I have added to it and found things that I did that were not proper etiquette buy reading and studying it as an adult. Just when I think I know everything I find something else that I do that is not proper. On the flag I tend to be sentimental and like to revel in the history and in tradition. That is just my preference.
To make a long story short. At one point during Scouts the topic of
NOT putting your hand over your heart came up. My mom told me that as a girl she was taught that is was not necessary to do so. That is what Obama said as his reason and he learned it from his grandparents who where from Peru very near Howard Would I not put my hand over my heart. No. Is it a breach of flag etiquette. Yes. Is it offensive, depends on the intent of the person doing it. Real patriotism is in the mind and heart not in etiquette. I still take time to show people proper flag etiquette, hold a flag raising ceremony on all national holidays, post a flag at my place everyday, talk to people about proper flag etiquette and why I love the traditions for what they mean.
David
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2009, 11:41:42 AM
Am I wrong or is it the left wing liberal Democrats that want the Pledge of Allegiance taken out of school because it has the word God in it? Now ya'll are bitching about the "young" kids not saying the Pledge or Living the Pledge? Comes back to bite ya'll in the ass don't it?
Who you callin a left wing liberal democrat? My Mother?You are barkin up the WRONG tree
BIGTIME
Excuse me, but did I quote her or say her name?
Quote from: flo on June 19, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
:-\ sorry you all missed my point. It's not just saying the pledge of allegience to our Flag, it's living the pledge itself. Pledging allegience to the Republic for which it stands, altho I guess nit-picking at everything the government does is nothing new, but holy cow, once in awhile I would like to read something good instead of something "found" on the internet to knock it - - Indivisible (that seems to be something nobody cares about anymore) - - Justice for ALL and now I'm out of here, AGAIN, and sorry for opening my mouth.
nowhere in this does it say anything about old or young people and absolutely NOTHING about taking God out of the pledge or taking the pledge out of schools. and to requote my last line, I'm out of here . . . . .
Quote from: dnalexander on June 20, 2009, 02:39:45 PM
Quote from: frawin on June 20, 2009, 01:56:01 PM
What is the matter with you Conservative Right forum members you should be honoring the Flag just like Obama in the article quoted below:
Barack Obama Captured on Tape Not Putting His Hand Over His Heart During The National Anthem
Wednesday, October 24, 2007
ALAN COLMES, CO-HOST: Illinois Senator Barack Obama finds himself at the center of yet another controversy as conservatives continue their assault on his patriotism, if you can believe that.
The Democratic presidential hopeful is captured on film at a steak fry sponsored by Iowa Senator Tom Harkin. A closer look shows that Obama, unlike his Democratic colleagues, isn't putting his hand over his heart during the national anthem. Can you believe this? That's an outrage.
I learned my flag etiquette form my dad,mom, and in Scouts. I have added to it and found things that I did that were not proper etiquette buy reading and studying it as an adult. Just when I think I know everything I find something else that I do that is not proper. On the flag I tend to be sentimental and like to revel in the history and in tradition. That is just my preference.
To make a long story short. At one point during Scouts the topic of NOT putting your hand over your heart came up. My mom told me that as a girl she was taught that is was not necessary to do so. That is what Obama said as his reason and he learned it from his grandparents who where from Peru very near Howard Would I not put my hand over my heart. No. Is it a breach of flag etiquette. Yes. Is it offensive, depends on the intent of the person doing it. Real patriotism is in the mind and heart not in etiquette. I still take time to show people proper flag etiquette, hold a flag raising ceremony on all national holidays, post a flag at my place everyday, talk to people about proper flag etiquette and why I love the traditions for what they mean.
David
up until this winter, i flew my flag every day. but it sadly has been tattered by the wind and i haven't been able to replace it with a new one and retire the old one.
Steve, I have a current story for that too. Just down the street from me is a man that is a naturalized citizen. He is among the most knowledgeable people on US History and he definitely loves this country and would never leave. He flies a flag everyday. His flag has become worn and tattered. Since we talk almost every morning at one point I mentioned that his flag was tattered and we discussed flag etiquette. Now I know him well and he is one of the most patriotic people I know. After we talked he immediately took down his flag. He is a small business owner of a landscaping company and things are not great economically for him. With July 4th coming up I think I am going to get him a flag. Luckily, I have a friend that owns a flag store and will donate a flag.
David
Quote from: dnalexander on June 20, 2009, 04:19:08 PM
Steve, I have a current story for that too. Just down the street from me is a man that is a naturalized citizen. He is among the most knowledgeable people on US History and he definitely loves this country and would never leave. He flies a flag everyday. His flag has become worn and tattered. Since we talk almost every morning at one point I mentioned that his flag was tattered and we discussed flag etiquette. Now I know him well and he is one of the most patriotic people I know. After we talked he immediately took down his flag. He is a small business owner of a landscaping company and things are not great economically for him. With July 4th coming up I think I am going to get him a flag. Luckily, I have a friend that owns a flag store and will donate a flag.
David
That would be a awesome gift! Maybe your friend could find me a 100% American made flag that i could buy and fly. i have a 3 x 5 flag and its put up til i find a retirement ceremony.
One can also request, through his or her senator, a flag that has flown over the capitol and even request a specific date for it to be flown.
Different sizes can be ordered and there is a charge, but as I recall, the charge is at cost. Postage is probably extra.
A few years ago, I had one flown over the capitol on my father's birthday. He received the flag with a certificate of the date flown.
Of course, it did not fly very long over the capitol but it did fly.
Before he passed away, he donated the flag to the local Legion in Howard.
Steve his American flags are all made in the US. I think that all his foreign flags are also made in their country of origin. (Actually now that I think of that I find that even more respectful and patriotic) I will find where his US flags are from so maybe you can order one from the manufacturers local distributor in Kansas. I personally fly a 100% heavy cotton flag it fades a quicker but I think it adds to its charm. I told my neighbor to tell everyone that he was flying a tattered flag to represent the flag that inspired the the Star Spangled Banner. He laughed, but he still took his down. That just brings me back to it is your intent and what is in your heart. As far as disposal you must have a VFW or Boy Scout troop in your area that can do it properly. Also, I would have to look it up to find the proper procedure but you could do it yourself.
David
p.s. I also, have a flag that was flown on my Birthday above the capitol in Washington. I don't fly it so it will last forever. It is folded in a perfect triangle with only blue and stars showing. We had to do that in Scouts and since it is hard to do I think I will keep that one as it is.
David
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2009, 03:08:26 PM
Excuse me, but did I quote her or say her name?
No. It was pretty clear she was ONE of the ones you meant tho. She's so conservative she would scare YOU.
Quote from: dnalexander on June 20, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
Steve his American flags are all made in the US. I think that all his foreign flags are also made in their country of origin. (Actually now that I think of that I find that even more respectful and patriotic) I will find where his US flags are from so maybe you can order one from the manufacturers local distributor in Kansas. I personally fly a 100% heavy cotton flag it fades a quicker but I think it adds to its charm. I told my neighbor to tell everyone that he was flying a tattered flag to represent the flag that inspired the the Star Spangled Banner. He laughed, but he still took his down. That just brings me back to it is your intent and what is in your heart. As far as disposal you must have a VFW or Boy Scout troop in your area that can do it properly. Also, I would have to look it up to find the proper procedure but you could do it yourself.
David
p.s. I also, have a flag that was flown on my Birthday above the capitol in Washington. I don't fly it so it will last forever. It is folded in a perfect triangle with only blue and stars showing. We had to do that in Scouts and since it is hard to do I think I will keep that one as it is.
David
I would love a pure American made flag. It is a shame and disgrace that most companies sell the ones made in china.
I'm glad that everyone (I SAID EVERYONE that way no one can say I'm singling them out) on this forum can read my frickin mind! As I stated last time I posted something that made EVERYONE jump all over me, some people believe their freedom of speech is just a little bit more important than others' freedom of speech. I make a statement and EVERYONE jumps. Billy makes a statement and EVERYONE jumps. But when anything is said about the JUMPING then IT'S THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I guess I'm NOBODY and can't make a statement or have an OPINION about anything! A lot of things on this forum are OBVIOUS, but don't TRY TO READ MY MIND as to whom I'm speaking to.
Just because Flo started this thread does NOT mean I was talking about her. If I was, I would damned sure admit it. I am NOT going to sit on here and type things that I wouldn't say to a persons' face. If I say I wasn't talking about her, then I wasn't talking about her. End of frickin discussion.
Quote from: kshillbillys on June 20, 2009, 06:32:06 PM
I'm glad that everyone (I SAID EVERYONE that way no one can say I'm singling them out) on this forum can read my frickin mind! As I stated last time I posted something that made EVERYONE jump all over me, some people believe their freedom of speech is just a little bit more important than others' freedom of speech. I make a statement and EVERYONE jumps. Billy makes a statement and EVERYONE jumps. But when anything is said about the JUMPING then IT'S THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH. I guess I'm NOBODY and can't make a statement or have an OPINION about anything! A lot of things on this forum are OBVIOUS, but don't TRY TO READ MY MIND as to whom I'm speaking to.
Just because Flo started this thread does NOT mean I was talking about her. If I was, I would damned sure admit it. I am NOT going to sit on here and type things that I wouldn't say to a persons' face. If I say I wasn't talking about her, then I wasn't talking about her. End of frickin discussion.
In kshillbillys defense I will say that often a forum members post comment will inspire me to make a post on the forum that could be interpreted to be about a specific person's post. While that person's post may be the inspiration for my post ; my comment is often on the topic at large and not specific to the individual post.
David
Frawin-
It's my opinion that conservative forum members do honor the flag and do so, during the national anthem too -
(however, O' did not).
As for the POA, that's a different matter as you might have discovered.
QuoteI am NOT going to sit on here and type things that I wouldn't say to a persons' face
Fine neither do I.
i don't "jump" I disagree. That's my freedom of speech. Maybe everybody ought to stop yammerin about "my freedom of speech" meanin their own.
I don't expect you to agree with me so DON'T expect me not to DISagree with you.
I am retiring from this crap.
Quote from: redcliffsw on June 20, 2009, 08:01:29 PM
Frawin-
It's my opinion that conservative forum members do honor the flag and do so, during the national anthem too -
(however, O' did not).
As for the POA, that's a different matter as you might have discovered.
Red, that was my point exactly,
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2009, 07:08:58 AM
Flo, I agree with you. Too many of our younger people don't know what "living the pledge" means. Or maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "allegiance". Allegiance means helping your drunk buddy get home safely, and not dragging his sorry butt through the mud on the way.
So if we speak out against gov't wrongs and tryanny we don't have allegiance to our country? To me, the POA isn't about government it is about the Country.
Quote from: flo on June 19, 2009, 09:38:51 PM
:-\ sorry you all missed my point. It's not just saying the pledge of allegience to our Flag, it's living the pledge itself. Pledging allegience to the Republic for which it stands, altho I guess nit-picking at everything the government does is nothing new, but holy cow, once in awhile I would like to read something good instead of something "found" on the internet to knock it - - Indivisible (that seems to be something nobody cares about anymore) - - Justice for ALL and now I'm out of here, AGAIN, and sorry for opening my mouth.
Okay, can you please show me how the current adminstration is doing this? How is inciting class warfare on an economic basis supporting the Indivisible principle? How is allowing tax cheats to go unpunished, or granting illegals amensty, or firing corporate CEOs and I.G.s serving Justive for all?
Quote from: srkruzich on June 20, 2009, 05:25:09 PM
I would love a pure American made flag. It is a shame and disgrace that most companies sell the ones made in china.
Steve.... Google "American flags made in America" ... quite a few sites pop up for flags made in America.... Warph
Lawmakers: 'Old Glory' Should Be Made in America
The House says that flags flown on federal property should be made in the U.S.A.
By LIBBY QUAID Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON July 14, 2008 (AP) The American flag has many labels: Stars and stripes. Old Glory. And sometimes, made in China.
Congress can't halt the flow of Chinese-made flags, but lawmakers can try to control where they are flown. The House declared Monday that any flag flown on federal property should be made in the U.S.A.
"It's not a major problem facing the nation," admitted Rep. Bob Filner, D-Calif. "But it's an irritant."
Chinese-made flags seemed to pop up everywhere after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. People rushed to show their sense of patriotism by buying American flags, and U.S. manufacturers couldn't keep up with demand.
Foreign imports of American flags, worth around $1 million annually at the time, surged to nearly $52 million in the weeks that followed.
Then as demand subsided, lawmakers took action, requiring the Defense Department to buy American-made textiles and the Veterans Affairs Department to use American-made flags for burials.
And in the city where Congress meets, only U.S.-made flags fly over the nation's Capitol.
Still, more than 8,000 other federal buildings — courthouses, post offices, border stations, office buildings, among others — are under no such obligation.
Filner, chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, wanted to force the government to buy only American-made flags. "But we were told that this mandatory stuff runs into trade agreements," the eight-term congressman said.
That is because the U.S. has gone to great pains to hammer out trade deals with other countries and can't impose new limits after the fact.
His solution was a nonbinding "sense of Congress" resolution that cleared the House on Monday. It doesn't have any teeth, he admitted, but it's a start.
In the meantime, state governments are beginning to weigh in. A new law in Minnesota says all flags sold in the state must be made in the U.S., with violations subject to a fine of up to $1,000 and jail time of up to 90 days. The industry says similar measures have cropped up in Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on June 21, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
Quote from: Wilma on June 20, 2009, 07:08:58 AM
Flo, I agree with you. Too many of our younger people don't know what "living the pledge" means. Or maybe they don't know the meaning of the word "allegiance". Allegiance means helping your drunk buddy get home safely, and not dragging his sorry butt through the mud on the way.
Quote from Billy:
So if we speak out against gov't wrongs and tryanny we don't have allegiance to our country? To me, the POA isn't about government it is about the Country.
I had a question about the Pledge of Allegiance so I looked it up. The pledge is to the flag and to the "Republic" for which it stands. It does not say country. The definition of "republic" is a form of government Therefore, when you repeat the pledge of allegiance, you are pledging allegiance to the government for which it stands.
A republic is a state or country that is not led by a monarch,[1][2] in which the people (or at least a part of its people)[3] have an impact on its government.[4][5] The word 'republic' is derived from the Latin phrase res publica which can be translated as "public thing".
Here's one to think on..........
"All that was fought for in 1776, the War Between the States, World
War I and World War II, is lost, we lost our Republic at Appomattox"
Repbulic as defined by dictionary.com
1 - a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.
So, they way I see it, when you say the POA, you are swearing allegiance to the people of the country, because that is who decides who our represenatives will be. You are not pledging to the gov't, but the people, as in We The People.
But the people are the government.
Quote from: Wilma on June 22, 2009, 08:00:13 PM
But the people are the government.
If that were true, then the gov't would get its power from the people, thus it would be leary of angering the people. Which is the way it should be, unfortunately, that is not the way it is. These days, the people fear the gov't, which I think would have our founders rolling over in their graves wondering what happened to the Republic that our flag symbolizes.
How could we still have a Republic since we have violated our
country's constitution? Just look at the gov't checks (money) and
programs going to people and companies. Could it be that we
are a "socialist republic"? Sure looks that way as our founding fathers
never intended this mess.
I would like to refer everybody back to the original post of this thread. Where we pledge allegiance to the flag and to the republic for which it stands. That says it all. What has happened to the government has nothing to do with the pledge. If you are still saying the pledge, you are pledging allegiance to the republic the way it is, whether you like what is going on or not.
Exactly, Wilma.
Wilma and Cat, I respect both of you ladies and your Philisophical values but I have to disagree with you on this one. I had vowed that I was not going to get into any deep discussions on these matters but this one is to much to pass up. Rather than say I am
disagreeing with what you say I am just going to say what I feel about the subject. You say what happened to the government has nothing to do with the pledge and further that you are pledging allegiance to the the republic the way it is. I choose to think that the pledge was written for the way this country was at that time and not the way it is now, otherwise I think an awful lot of people would refuse to Pledge Allegiance to this country which is taking the path of Socialism/Marxism/Communism. Although the writer of the original Pledge Allegiance, Francis Bellamy, was known as a Christian Socialist, I don't think he had any perception that this great Nation would take the far left course that we are on today. It would be difficult to accept that when the "Pledge" was written some 110 years ago that any of the powers at that time would have perceived the direction we are currently taking.
Actually, what I was agreeing with was an unconditional love of and allegiance to this country...Warts and all. I agree with you, Frank, about the Founding Fathers' probably assessment that this is not the country that they had previously envisioned. However...This is the country that we are stuck with at the moment. My only point that I have tried repeatedly to make was that you stand behind your country, even if you disagree with it, unless you intend to find another country to live in. You can't change things wholesale overnight by doing nothing more than griping about it...All you can do is change what you can, when you can, within the framework of our present democracy (what's left of it), using the existing laws and freedoms that we still possess.
Cat, well said and well put, we need to really work to make badly needed changes in the House elections coming up in 2010, we badly need to get a majority in both houses. I have never given up on this nation and I will never give up on it, my concern and efforts will be for the futures of my Children and Grandchildren, my Nephews and Nieces, Great-Great-Great(over 250 of them). We need to do lots of work and lots of praying.
Frank, you are right. Also, our Constitution was written for a different kind of world than what we live in today. I wonder how much of it would be different if it were written today. I will, however, stand behind my statements that as good, loyal Americans, we shouldn't be tearing it apart in the eyes of the rest of the world. In their eyes we could easily be divided. In our hearts, no such thing can happen. But they don't see our hearts, they see only the words we use.
Gods, Wilma...Are you ever right on that one. I have no wonder at all that other countries view us as weak (especially when they are able to log on at will and view the senseless arguments that take place online)...However...I say that with a small smile, as it is completely obvious that they might consider us "weak" but are not brave enough to take us on, face to face...The fanatics who attempt to take us on only do so by coming up on our backs, where we can't keep an eye on them. They are nothing more than cowards who operate in the dark of night.
You two, of all people are the last two that I would have thought would advocate that we just accept the destruction of everything that our forefathers fought and died for. We are on a course of self-destruction and it is already obvious to much of the world. China and Russia must be laughing the heads off, they went down the path that we are taking to Socialism and it didn't work. I respect your opinion and your right to them, but if we do nothing you may loose the right to express yourself in anyway. I said it after the election and I will say it again, Never have we given up so much to get so little. Never has this Nation been so divided over an election. We are divided across a greater spectrum, a broader base of the country, now than we were prior to the Civil War. Unfortunately ythis is only the beginning of what is to come. I will leave it at that.
Frank, THANK YOU! You came up with the exact words I was looking for and i just couldn't agree with a person more right now!
I'm with you, Frawin. Well said.
The socialists have have been organizing and working on changing this country since at least
after the War For Southern Independence. The Pledge (POA) was written by a socialist in 1892.
I've read in the Fredonia paper where the socialists were meeting in Wilson County
over a 100 years ago. We've been conditioned to accept the socialists' way of thinking and
still many of us are open to more new sociallist plans and programs. I'm not.
It's a different world now than when our Constitution was written and we have the duty to
keep the country as right as we can.
Quote from: frawin on June 23, 2009, 11:55:09 AM
You two, of all people are the last two that I would have thought would advocate that we just accept the destruction of everything that our forefathers fought and died for. We are on a course of self-destruction and it is already obvious to much of the world. China and Russia must be laughing the heads off, they went down the path that we are taking to Socialism and it didn't work. I respect your opinion and your right to them, but if we do nothing you may loose the right to express yourself in anyway. I said it after the election and I will say it again, Never have we given up so much to get so little. Never has this Nation been so divided over an election. We are divided across a greater spectrum, a broader base of the country, now than we were prior to the Civil War. Unfortunately ythis is only the beginning of what is to come. I will leave it at that.
Frank, I respect you completely but you've got me confused here...Where did I advocate that we accept the destruction of our country?
Cat, I think I stated that poorly as it was not my intention to say that. I just thought you and Wilma were saying we should do nothing or at least hide our feelings and I didn't agree with that. I think we need to get everyone that doesn't agree with the current course being taken by Washingto to make it known and hopefully we can make some changes in the upcoming Congressional elections. We need to support candidates that think the way we do. Sorry, I worded the previous post poorly.
No harm, no foul... ;D ;D...Just totally amazed...The sharpest pen on the site didn't say it right????????? LOL! Oh my...You are actually human after all! ;D ;D Join the crew on that one...I've mistated myself more often than I'd like...Oh well...Hey, it spices up the site, right? ::) ;D
I think we should holler and holler loud, but to the right people. Only the people in Washington can do anything right now. Our turn comes again next year. If we holler enough at them now, they will know that being re-elected will not be a shoo-in.
Well said Wilma, I can agree with that. You say more with fewer words than I can or do.
Thank you, Frank. The fewer words, the more effective. You should have heard me shout at my kids. They listened.