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This is a complete and total waste of money. $500 million to make our childrens education more "green". We have schools that are falling apart, can't pay teachers decent wages, have children that can barely read, and yet for some reason our gov't wants to spend money on "enviromental education". I really wish I could home school my kids. This is out of control.
You bet it's out-of-control. The Education dept ought to be abolished.
Local folks ought to run their own public schools or use private education.
It seems the so-called local school boards are in cahoots with state and national
boards, or morelike a hiearchy system.
Yeah, it's a waste of monies and moreso it's certainly not right to use taxes/gov't money
for the schools and the Gov't to promote an agenda, belief or religion.
What kind of science would you two like to see taught in school? We always taught about water and tadpoles and reflected heat and how grass prevents runoff and how trees cool and put O2 into the air and on and on. We talked about water power, and how it was used long ago, and its potential in the future, Same with wind and solar too, and that was years ago. We taught the rain cycle and how precious water really is. Same stuff, slightly different name. As a scout, in1954, we used a solar oven to cook biscuits and things. Why would you want to handicap your kids by skipping all that? Oh, I forgot, its some kind of conspiracy to take something away from you, even though I still haven't figured out what you have lost. ;D ;D ;D I thought you all liked the education your kids get there. I hear plenty of compliments, or are they all liars too? How did religion get back into this? I thought that horse had been kicked to death.
Since you did not mention pre-historic man, where's his era in the whole scenario?
Why do you want to go there? It's not relevant to this "green topic". Conservation is a "now" topic and you can't bait me into something else.
You two make me laugh and shake my head at the same time. Billy and Red that is. What the hell could possibly be wrong with teachin kids about the interconectedness of all living things? About the consequences of the choices and industries we take to heart......You want to talk about how people have been dumbed down all the time....well there has been a pretty agressive dumbin down of the average person about the dangers of NOT taking care of the one and only planet we are ever going to have. Where the hell do you think your decendants are gonna live if we destroy this planet and make it so toxic cockroaches can't even live on it?
I don't give a good (*&^&^&* where they learn it as long as they DO learn it. I teach it to my own ON my own the same way it was taught to me. You all just keep lookin for all the conspiracies ok? Environmental studies are one of the BEST places to spend MY tax dollars as far as I am concerned.
It would appear, and I do hope I'm wrong, that those two want their kids back in a one room school with slates and dunce caps. Maybe they can sit and do their sums and recitations. Good grief, our Amish are more worldly ( and green) than that! ;D ;D ;D Can we bring back caning too? Just kidding, honest.
Pam and Diane, you guys are so right!!! Lets start teaching our kids the pesudo-science of scientificly proven wrong global warming. What was I thinking...wheres my dunce cap??? Wanting my children taught that the heating and cooling of the planet was a naturally occuring thing...not brought on by the evils of industrialized society.
As far as tadpoles, fish, water, and all that...yes, I want my children taught all that, but not some hippy, radical agenda and talks about the evils of carbon emissions, you know the gases that we as humans EXHALE! That trees, and plants NEED to SURVIVE.
We have a public education system that is a freakin joke. And now we are going to throw $500 million dollars at it. Not to try and improve on the basics, which most kids these days can barely pass, but to make it "greener"?
Diane, you talked about dunce caps....why don't you take off the blinders and see what is going on in this country, or are those required for all the sheeple??
Pam, if you want to teach YOUR children all about "mother earth" sitting around a campfire eating fruits, nuts, berries, and roots while singing Kum Bi Ya, go for it, but leave my kids out of your Liberal minded left wing hippy fest!!!
What a morning to see your responses Billy!
When this thing really heats up, Al Gore and his followers can have it all.
Are you saying that the bad gases are no more of a threat now than they were before horseless carriages? That the natural emissions of horses were as harmful as the emissions of the millions of cars and trucks that are on our highways now? And what about the factories? Why is coal-powered electricity so much worse than naturally generated electricity? Or are you willing to just get along without electricity? Is your gas-powered generator better for the environment than wind farms?
Wilma, would you please show the proof that greenhouse gases are the cause for global warming, and not the natural cycle that has occured thoughout history? Can you show me where man made pollutions caused the little ice age of the middle ages? Or how about the global temptures that varied before man was even here? What harm exactly have greenhouse gasses caused? and before you cite the whole in the ozone, that is not definative.
QuotePam, if you want to teach YOUR children all about "mother earth" sitting around a campfire eating fruits, nuts, berries, and roots while singing Kum Bi Ya, go for it, but leave my kids out of your Liberal minded left wing hippy fest
1. You my friend are of the mindset that is what is WRONG with this friggin planet.
2. CARBON EMissions in MASSIVE doses can, will, DO kill things.
3. I'm still out on the global warming discussion myself..for YOUR information. Europe was so friggin polluted when IMMIGRANTS started coming here ILLEGALLY in the the 1500s that you COULDN'T drink the water, eat the fish that swam in the rivers through cities and there was no place left to go so here they came and started f(*&^in up THIS country.
4. There are MANY evils associated with industrialization. yOU ARE AN IDIOT IF YOU DENY IT.
5 I teach my children AND my grandchildren to RESPECT the PLANET that gives us life and SUSTENANCE so if that makes me a kum by ya singin hippy ( which I have never sung in my life) and if I like sittin around a bonfire watchin the full moon come up and communin with my friends or just my self makes me a liberalminded left wing commie so be it AND kiss my ass.
Good reply, Pam. I also believe that industrialization need to be controlled so that pollution is reduced and that teaching this to our children will help the future generations.
I know Deegee the same ol same ol just isn't gonna cut it anymore some things have GOT to change, whether we LIKE it or not.
Whew!!! OK. I'll give you my take on this. Global warming is a a natural cycle. Up in Alaska and north they have taken extremely deep drilled cores of ice that show it has happened before. I have no idea how the scientists measure that but as humans, lets not hurry this natural cycle along. Unfortunately, many of the less industrialized nations can't do anything to help and some like China and Japan are less likely to care. Why shouldn't we do what we can for clean air and water? I don't like smog. Your grand kids an great great grands may have to pay the price, both literally and figuratively, so why not start now? At some point, not in my life time, it could hit a critical point. Why not start slowly now, and do what we can.It wasn't that many years ago when some rivers were so polluted that one caught on fire! Should those folks have said, Don't bother me kid, that's just the way it is, tough it out? Rats are natural too....what's a little bubonic plague among friends? Many nasty things can come in natural cycles. Let's do responsibly, what we can, for things we can and teach about it too. It it OK to toss trash out the window? After all, it doesn't really hurt anybody. Extinction is a natural cycle too, but I don't want to be the one who killed the last of a species. We know better now. Science doesn't know it all yet, its a long on going process, but let's keep at it just the same.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 24, 2009, 08:32:13 AM
the whole in the ozone, that is not definative.
Billy:
What is the "whole" in the ozone? And just to be definitive, do you know the difference?
Well put Pam!
Now see how nice I can be, I left "whole" alone. ;D ;D ;D
And here I thought you had missed it, Diane.
I saw it, but I didn't want Billy to think I was out to get him. I really don't mention all I see and I make my share of mistakes, usually typos, too. If they are funny, I usually will mention it depending on who does it. ;D
Yes, there is pollution and we know this already, our children are taught this already, why do we need to spend $500 million and pass legislation for it?
Wilma, thank you so much for pointing out the typo I made. That should have been "hole". Yes, I know the difference. Now, can you please answer my question?
Pam, what exactly is wrong with my mindset?
Bud I am so done with you and your negative mindset it ain't even funny. I have faith in the human race AND my country.
What question was that, Billy?
Quote from: pamsback on May 24, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
Bud I am so done with you and your negative mindset it ain't even funny. I have faith in the human race AND my country.
I will restate my question, what exactly is wrong with my mindset? I just call it the way I see it.
Quote from: Wilma on May 24, 2009, 08:17:03 PM
What question was that, Billy?
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 24, 2009, 08:32:13 AM
Wilma, would you please show the proof that greenhouse gases are the cause for global warming, and not the natural cycle that has occured thoughout history? Can you show me where man made pollutions caused the little ice age of the middle ages? Or how about the global temptures that varied before man was even here? What harm exactly have greenhouse gasses caused? and before you cite the whole in the ozone, that is not definative.
It seems to me you embrace every negative thing you hear as the gospel truth and if somebody tries to shine some light in there you come out swingin and want your dark back.
It was pretty obvious before I was off that you and me were of different schools but that doesn't mean either one of us is right. Things are not as bad as you think they are and they are not as good as I WISH they were. They are somewhere in the middle and can go either way. I'm swingin for the Light side.
Give me crap about it or not I BELIEVE we create what our reality is by the energy we put into it. That does not make me some new age crackpot. Light Dark Good Evil it ALL responds to the energy given to it. You ARE what you think.........
I also call em as I see em....we just see em in different lights.
Pam, just because I don't like the direction the country is going, that makes me negative?
Yes, I am going to defend my point of view on things, just like anybody else. Doesn't mean I am in the dark.
No doubt about it, we are of varying opinions, and thats fine. Frankly, I hope you are right. I hope that the current situtation we are in is just a minor setback and that we will get back on the right track. But thats not going to happen if We The People don't start standing on our own as individuals and standing together in defense of our rights.
As far as our reality, I think that you are right to a certain degree. I think that that philosphosy is a good one to apply in our personal lives but there comes a point when the situation is bigger than just ourselves.
QuoteGive me crap about it or not I BELIEVE we create what our reality is by the energy we put into it. That does not make me some new age crackpot. Light Dark Good Evil it ALL responds to the energy given to it. You ARE what you think.........
QuoteI think that that philosphosy is a good one to apply in our personal lives but there comes a point when the situation is bigger than just ourselves.
So many people fail to understand this principle: what you expect is what you get. What you resist, persists. What you give is what you get. Your perception is YOUR reality.
Billy, it's good that you see the wisdom in this philosophy, but do try to see it beyond our personal lives. Think of a nation as a single entity, then apply this principle. If, as a group, people expect others to be greedy, lazy, corrupt or any kind of "bad," then, of course, that's what the group will see. They won't see the others who are generous, hard-working, honest, etc. If a group holds the notion that someone is trying to take something away, the group will repeatedly find this to be the case, which gives the group justification for its belief. The manner (and motive) in which a person treats another will determine how that person views the world; how a nation treats another (and its own people) is the measure of its greatness or folly.
Be kind and you will recognize kindness. Be angry and fearful, and you'll be given reasons for anger and fear. If you spout doom-and-gloom, you're going to believe that's all that exists, and that becomes your reality. A good book contains this message: Ask and you shall receive. (Luke 11:9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. 10 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.) That goes both ways, good and bad. You want it? You got it.
When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. (Wayne Dyer)
Good day, and peace be. Indy (a crackpot hippie who would rather be happy than right.)
Indy, I think that this philosophy can only be applied to our personal lives. Because there are people who are greedy, lazy, corrupt and bad. No matter how bad we want them not to be.
Yes, I agree too. There are terrible people out there. But aren't you assuming there are many more bad than good? Police officers deal with bad folks as a living. Sometimes even they have to be reminded that not everyone is a bad guy. On the ambulance, we see patients and families at their worst. But not everyone is a drunk who wrecked their car or beat up their kids. We have to be so careful that the wish to punch out the one guy doesn't carry over to the next call. Is everybody assumed to be up to something until proven otherwise? I still think there is too much fear mongering going on. By the way, if you can, look up Wired Magazine. There is an article by Kevin Kelly, The New Socialism - Global Collectivist Society is Coming On Line. 5/22/09 You might find it interesting.
Quote from: BillyakaVarmit on May 25, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
Indy, I think that this philosophy can only be applied to our personal lives. Because there are people who are greedy, lazy, corrupt and bad. No matter how bad we want them not to be.
Which means they reap the fruits of the seeds they sow and the energy they put out.
I checked that out and read a couple articles Diane, food for thought.
Yes, it comes at things from a very different and unique perspective, no matter what your politics might be. But people who don't understand it may simply call it hogwash.( what is hog wash anyway?)
My understanding is that hog wash is the scalding water that the dead hog is dunked in so that the hair will scrape off easier. Kind of like scalding a chicken so that removing the feathers is easier. Now how did hog wash become a part of conversation?
Never mind! ;D ;D ;D I'll have to be careful or Teresa will pick on me! ;D ;D ;D
Nope.................you don't have to worry about Teresa.
She's worn out.. burnt out and fed up...
soooooooooo..everyone ... carry on.
Nope, I won't be carrying on. I've soured you and your mom on me so that no matter what I say it will be turned on me. Billy called me a sheeple wearing blinders and I thought it funny. I didn't complain. I got a cute picture in my mind. You turned my dunce cap comment back on me, even though I used smilies and said I was just teasing at the time I wrote it. No more kidding around. It will be deadly serious from now on. I'll watch and keep my thoughts to myself, even when I see things I know aren't true. I like a good debate. I'm just sorry more people don't know how to debate without getting angry. It's your forum, your county and I'm a trespasser. You can have it anyway you want.
well once again... excuuuse me....... you post and say that if you say something or do anything to upset someones feelings they just need to say it..
Then if someone calls you on anything.. you get all mad and grab up your toys and leave the sandbox in a huff.. ::)
I'm to the notion of "whatever floats your boat you got yourself riding on"..
I'll be the first to admit..I'm not an authority on everything.. very little in fact if the truth were known..
Unless it has to do with Firearms...I don't stand up and pretend I am either...
You know .. maybe I am in just a piss assed mood this week...and it is just me...Not a real good attitude for a forum moderator to have... so......
Maybe I am the one who needs to back off and ignore everything............................and quit getting involved as it does seem to be the BS norm of people thinking it is MY FORUM.... and "I" can run it like I see fit.. .. and they are a trespasser.. blah blah blah......
What the hell ever!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yep.........Could be.... ..nope.. most likely it is me........ because I AM in a ~fed up with everything~ pissy mood....
Fed up with Liberals.. Socialists.. Government.. rules and regs that only benefit the selfish corrupt that are in power.. the Corporate world ,.. Timelines ..Deadlines... Computers...Schedules...........................Everyone wanting a piece of you when there aren't any pieces left to give..........................
Sooooooooooooooooooooo.............
It's me ...............
I guess that would be... "Miss Queen Bitch" ...to all those of you who agree........ ;D I don't care one way or the other.
Frankly ...at this point? I'm stretched just about 5 miles further than I can stretch with all that I have to do.. so "forum time " really isn't something I have time for anyway.. It's all just too much on my plate...
I need a break.... I will p.m. a couple people asking them to take over for awhile and to keep me informed of things...
Sorry Diane that you think my mother and I are "against you"..
...... you couldn't be further from the truth...
if you want to not post because you really don't want to.. then fine.. but if you are just stomping in the sand...put your big girl panties on keep debating.. You are definitely good at it. !
Teresa, one of the hardest things in the world to do is to admit that maybe you are wrong. Notice that I never do it. If you want to take a rest from the forum, I certainly can't blame you. But please don't make it permanent. Rest a bit, come back and stay with us. If you feel that you don't want to post for awhile, could you at least keep up on what the rest of us are posting?
Most likely things are not going to get better in this country.
Liberalism and socialism are terrible things but we ought to
stand just as the founding fathers of this country stood.
Teresa, stay right in the there.
I would like to add my thoughts here. Teresa, this forum has been a wonderful addition to my daily life. I joined because my family came from Elk County. I thought I would gain some insight into the history and daily happenings of Elk County and I did.
This forum will continue to be a part of my daily routine reading what others think and what others do. I also read another blog that states in its opening that personal attacks are not allowed and will not be posted. As the Elk County Forum has grown so large it would be impossible for you to not post each and every nasty response to other members. Take your rest, but don't leave us for long.
Diane, i hope you can step back and take a breath and relax and realize that these people on this forum don't hate you. You are entitled to your opinion just as they are. In Politics there are going to be the differing of opinions on various subjects and we are all welcome to read them and respond or read them and ignore them. I read some of these posts and I think to myself, "I don't agree with this or is this person on the same planet that I'm on?" And then I realize that any response from me isn't going to change their minds and they probably don't care what I think. So like you I will watch and read and respond only when I think I know what I am talking about which is not often. The "Politics" section has become somewhat undesirable in my mind to even read because of the personal attacks on other forum members. I hope that those who would insult other members of the forum would refrain from doing so. We are each entitled to our thoughts and a personal attack from someone is not going to change anybody's mind. All it will do will make me less likely to read any posts from that person.
There are so many other great posts and subjects on this forum that are better for your blood pressure and those are the ones I will enjoy and read the most. So take care my friends and say what you will and try not to slam anyone personally when their opinion is not the same as yours.
Larryj
:o :o :o Teresa, you spoke your mind on here ??? ??? ??? Didn't know we were allowed to do that . . . do other's do that ??????? I shall speak my mind then - too bad a couple rotten apples have to spoil the whole barrel. 8) :angel: