Quote from: Teresa on May 07, 2009, 10:40:33 PM
Quote from: dnalexander on May 07, 2009, 08:18:40 PM
QuoteTo all the gun hating hippies...you are welcome. police
I actually shoot on a regular basis with real hippies left over from the 60's. Not many true hippies left. Most of them defected to the dot com boom and entrepreneurial endeavors. But I know what you mean.
David
I just used that term ..because..I did.. ::)
;D.( well actually I used to be one of those long hair barefooted "Kansas Hippies"..)
A LONG LONG LOOOOONG time ago...
*And you hear about 'soft porn?" well... I was I guess a "soft Hippie".. Not into the drugs...but I sure looked "cool" and listened to the right music and joined in a few of the set ins.. ... 8)
Funny........ :)
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Dedicated to all the old hippies that grew up cut their hair and joined the mainstream culture. It sure was a long time ago. I bet the hippies never thought they would become a mostly forgotten, encyclopedic reference. Those were good days and sometimes very bad days. Thanks for the memories Teresa.
Hippies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie
The hippie subculture was originally a youth movement that began in the United States during the mid-1960s and spread around the world. The word hippie derives from hipster, and was initially used to describe people who created their own communities, listened to psychedelic rock, embraced the sexual revolution, and used drugs such as cannabis and LSD to explore alternative states of consciousness.
On January 1967, the Human Be-In at Golden Gate Park in San Francisco popularized hippie culture, leading to the legendary Summer of Love on the West Coast of the United States, and the 1969 Woodstock Festival on the East Coast. In Mexico, the jipitecas formed La Onda Chicana and gathered at Avándaro, while in New Zealand, nomadic housetruckers practiced alternative lifestyles and promoted sustainable energy at Nambassa. In the United Kingdom, mobile "peace convoys" of New age travellers made summer pilgrimages to free music festivals at Stonehenge. In Australia hippies gathered at Nimbin for the 1973 Aquarius Festival and the annual Cannabis Law Reform Rally or MardiGrass. In Chile, "Festival Piedra Roja" was held in 1970 (following Woodstock's success), and was the major hippie event in that country.
Hippie fashions and values had a major effect on culture, influencing popular music, television, film, literature, and the arts. Since the 1960s, many aspects of hippie culture have been assimilated by mainstream society. The religious and cultural diversity espoused by the hippies has gained widespread acceptance, and Eastern philosophy and spiritual concepts have reached a wide audience. The hippie legacy can be observed in contemporary culture in myriad forms — from health food, to music festivals, to contemporary sexual mores, and even to the cyberspace revolution. (more info if you follow the above link)
David 8)
I graduated from UD in 1966. Does that tell ya somethin' ? I was a moderate then too. I'm one of the few people on the east coast who did NOT go to Woodstock in 1969. ;D ;D ;D Sure could have and had friends who did. I wanted nothing to do with that mess. Good music though.
Diane during the Summer of Love 1969, the peak of the hippie movement, I spent several weeks in Howard and a couple weeks in Wichita visiting my Aunts. ( I was 8 1/2 at the time). The rest of the summer my brothers and I were running a fast growing tie-dyed t-shirt and rubber band gun business out of Prairie Village, KS. As I have said on here before the music of the 60's is my favorite. The Doors, Moody Blues, Johnny Cash, George Jones, Roy Orbison, Sam Cooke, Diana Ross & The Supremes, Dusty Springfield, andThe Ronettes. That was when rock was rock , country was country, Soul was Motown, and Phil Spector created the "Wall of Sound"
David
p.s. I also think that is when my Uncle Frank and my cousin Carl Ray, whose father I am named after, were graduating from Emporia State though I may be a year or two off on that.
David
I probably have a tie dyed tee around somewhere, not that it would still fit me. Ahem... ;D ;D ;D
Wow........ oh yeah.. I wore the peasant type blouses.. and of course the tye dye ( which are huge in style once again) along with the long bellbottoms and of course ..beads.. lots of beads.. My hair was straight and almost to my waist and I sported beaded headbands too.. LOL
in college.......
Psychedelic posters on the walls.. beads instead of doors... oversize pillows on the floors...
great memories :)
Beads, headbands, psychedelic posters...you are worrying me, man. ;)
Ah Billy-----------this is one of those "you had to be there" moments. Waterbeds were just coming in as cool. The news reports in the evening would show American soldiers in action in Viet Nam. And, the news media would show caskets being carried off planes. And, Teresa, did you mention the incense? Sometimes I would go to a party and couldn't breathe because of the incense. Incense was neat because it covered up the smell of the "mary jane" be smoked. Girls with halter tops and everybody wore sandals or bergenstocks. Sit ins, Love ins, You had to be there! Good music as mentioned even the hard rock or pyschodelic music---------inagadavida!! You just had to be there. ;D
Larryj
I wasn't even around then, not thought of for several years but that was the era of the great music: Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, The Stones, The Grateful Dead, CCR, Led Zeppelin and the Beatles. And yes Larry...Iron Butterfly and their great 17 minute "InaGadaDaVida"....To me Robert Plant and Jimmy Page are still number one for vocals and guitar...But then along came the 80s and all the great feel good songs that everyone still remembers and sings along to on the radio and can now be heard on the oldies station...sighhhh i'm gettin' old... :(
Ah yes, the music. I mentioned somewhere maybe here or another thread that I when I came home from the army, I went to work in a music store in Hollywood. At the time, this company was the largest music store in the country. The owner and his brother were instrumental in starting up Capital Records, a block up the street. Capital produced the Beach Boys, for a while the Beatles until they started their own label, and many many others. The hippies would hang around the doors of the store until they were blocking the customers from getting in, then I would go chase them away.
The stars? Yeah, they were all over the place. When Brian Wilson of the Beach Boys was really into the drug scene, he would come n the store and just stand there looking at the record albums in the bins, not touching just looking. The store sold instruments as well as sheet music and televisions/stereos besides records. 8 track tapes were just getting started then. One time George Harrison came in the store to buy a guitar. Usually, when someone of his magnitude is going to come in, the store manager (me) is notified so arrangements can be made to keep everything calm. Nobody called, he showed and all heck broke loose. He left the store and all the customers and half the employees went with him. I remember looking out the window one time and a pink cadillac convertable pulled up and Aretha Frankilin came in to buy a record. Our store had bins with demonstration records so that you could take an album to a listening booth before you decided to buy it. At the time when Linda Rondstadt was transitioning from the Stone Ponys to a solo career. she would come in and the check the leader cards under S and R. The leader cards behind each album in the bins was stamped with the reorder date and amount of order. People like Linda came in to look at the leaders cards to see how well their album was doing. One more and I will shut up. The company had six stores in the L.A. area and on Sunday afternoons there would be some recording artist in the store to autograph album covers much like authors do in bookstores around here now. One Sunday I was working in the Lakewood store and we were scheduled to have two acts---The Bobby Fuller Four (I fought the Law and the Law won) and after them a guy I can't remember the name of now, but he was a crooner much like a black Bing Crosby. When I got there that day to open the store, there was a line a mile long of kids waiting to see the Bobby Fuller Four. While this group was cordoned off inside the ticket agents booth signing autographs some of them were terrorizing the place by throwing tickets around and ripping phone cords out of the wall. I got the agent aside and told him to get them out------NOW!!! When the other guy came (oh yeah it was Mel Carter) there was no one there who wanted his autograph. I was really embarassed so he and his agent and I went across the street to a bar and had a drink or two.
Enough already. Good Night
Larryj
Quote from: larryJ on May 08, 2009, 11:20:04 PM
The stars? Yeah, they were all over the place. .
Larryj
You forgot to mention the DeadBeats!
Wow Larry, that's great history. I was into folk music too. Who were the deadbeats? ;D
Quote from: Diane Amberg on May 09, 2009, 07:33:31 AM
Who were the deadbeats? ;D
Who were the DeadBeats? How soon we forget. The DeadBeats were the hottest band to hit Howard and Longton in the summer of "66 and came all the way from Grove, Ok. They were a great band (but the bass player wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer ::) and I'm sure Teresa will comfirm that.
I had a feeling they must have been a hot local group.
I was around in those days, and really don't remember the "Deadbeats". I do remember "The Blue Things', "The Flippers", and "The Showmen", to name a few. There were some great dances at the Howard Fair Building in the 1960s that attracted people from a long distance. Lots of fun!!!!
At one of the DeadBeats dances at the Howard fair barn there were 2 girls that jumped on the stage and became the go go dancers for the rest of the song they were playing at the time. I sure would like to know who they were!!! I'm sure that if they are still around here they are too embarrassed to come forth.
Whew!! Sarge!!! You had me scrambling for my library of Rock and Roll books. I had not heard of the Deadbeats and thought maybe I missed something. I see now by the other posts they were a local group. At least, they never had a hit record acccording to my library. :-X :laugh:
Larryj
Nope no hit records Larry although the lead singer of the group had several hits as a writer and producer in later years on the country charts.
BTW, I'm glad that someone remembered the DeadBeats. Old tarhead must have a good memory.
Sarge, do you know the lead singers name? That would show up in my library.
And, in going back to previous posts on this page, I realized that the years talked about were 1966 plus. My grandmother passed away in 1962 about the time I graduated from High School and moved on to college and by 1966 was in California. So other than a few trips back for reunions, I haven't been to Howard much.
Larryj
Tarhead??? uh oh....there's trouble! ;D ;D ;D
Larry did you work at Music City? If so, are they still around?
David
(http://www.hollywoodphotographs.com/photographs/reg/WMC-004.jpg)
Larry,
His name is Tim DuBois.
Yeah,David, that was the place. When I moved to California in 1965, I got a job selling records at the Lakewood store and worked my way up to Assistant Manager. Then the Army stepped in for two years. When I came home, I was given my old job back, but at the West Covina store. From March of 1968 through July of 1971, I worked as assistant manager and finally store manager all over the chain, the last being assistant manager in Hollywood. Mr. Wallichs and I had differing opinions about fraternization with employees so there was a period of time of unemployment, but they took me back when they were hurting for a manager. At long last, they just couldn't abide by my take on fraternization and I was gone for the final time. I really loved that job. I worked afternoons and nights and weekends for low pay, but I just loved that job.
During my course of employment there, Tower Records opened a store in Hollywood selling records at a discount. In our meetings with Mr. Wallichs, we encouraged him to go discount and he wouldn't do it. Consequently, he filed bankruptcy in 1972 and the end of an era. During World War II, you could go into Music City and record messages on discs which were sent to sodiers overseas.
Nice picture. Thanks David
Larryj
Quote from: larryJ on May 09, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
Yeah,David, that was the place. When I moved to California in 1965, I got a job selling records at the Lakewood store and worked my way up to Assistant Manager. Then the Army stepped in for two years. When I came home, I was given my old job back, but at the West Covina store. From March of 1968 through July of 1971, I worked as assistant manager and finally store manager all over the chain, the last being assistant manager in Hollywood. Mr. Wallichs and I had differing opinions about fraternization with employees so there was a period of time of unemployment, but they took me back when they were hurting for a manager. At long last, they just couldn't abide by my take on fraternization and I was gone for the final time. I really loved that job. I worked afternoons and nights and weekends for low pay, but I just loved that job.
During my course of employment there, Tower Records opened a store in Hollywood selling records at a discount. In our meetings with Mr. Wallichs, we encouraged him to go discount and he wouldn't do it. Consequently, he filed bankruptcy in 1972 and the end of an era. During World War II, you could go into Music City and record messages on discs which were sent to sodiers overseas.
Nice picture. Thanks David
Larryj
The reason I asked was because I have a vintage Gibson L-7 archtop guitar that came with a receipt from Music City. I think that would add an interesting bit of history to my great sounding guitar.
David
David, does the receipt actually say Wallichs Music City? The reason I ask is because some departments such as the instruments and the sheet music and the tickets were actually Franchises inside the store. The tickets were sold by Liberty long before their was a Ticketmaster. Each store's instrument department was owned by various people. I think the one in West Covina was owned by Mr. Edelman. I don't remember any others. All store's sheet music departments were owned by Mr. Hansen who had a daughter, somewhat overweight, and not too much fun to look at. She was an alcoholic probably because she couldn't get a date. When my roommate and I were broke we would cruise all the bars in Newport Beach and Balboa until we found her and we would sit with her all night and never have to pay for a drink. Some stores used the Wallichs name and others used their owners name. I would be interested if there is a name on the receipt other than Wallichs.
Larryj
Sarge, I see where Tim DuBois has produced a lot of Reba Mcintyre albums---and a lot more. I was watching a PBS show the other night about old rock and roll groups. (it was a pledge show). It occurred to me how hard it must have been for a group to go from "the garage" so to speak to a hit record. Some of the ones on this show were "one hit wonders" but the music was good.
Larryj
Quote from: larryJ on May 09, 2009, 04:39:57 PM
David, does the receipt actually say Wallichs Music City? The reason I ask is because some departments such as the instruments and the sheet music and the tickets were actually Franchises inside the store. The tickets were sold by Liberty long before their was a Ticketmaster. Each store's instrument department was owned by various people. I think the one in West Covina was owned by Mr. Edelman. I don't remember any others. All store's sheet music departments were owned by Mr. Hansen who had a daughter, somewhat overweight, and not too much fun to look at. She was an alcoholic probably because she couldn't get a date. When my roommate and I were broke we would cruise all the bars in Newport Beach and Balboa until we found her and we would sit with her all night and never have to pay for a drink. Some stores used the Wallichs name and others used their owners name. I would be interested if there is a name on the receipt other than Wallichs.
Larryj
Larry, I never paid much attention to the recepit, it is in storage with other things I don't want to throw away. The Wallach's name was new to me, but I recognized the name Music City. I was not sure originally if you were talking about Music City or maybe Tower.The address you mentioned struck a bell because because I visited Amoeba records which started much more recently here in the Bay Area and has a new store near where I think Wallach's was located. My 7 years in LA were spent in Redondo Beach and Hermosa during 1989 to 1995 when I worked for Sports Club\LA and Talla Developement the owners of many big name properties. Your story mirrors mine in so many ways.
David
p.s. Since we are having a personal conversation about LA send me a PM. I doubt anyone here cares or knows what we are talking about.
Actually, David, I've enjoyed reading the conversation. Don't stop on my account :laugh: Also, your mention of Redondo Beach made me think of an old Patti Smith song by that title.
Quote from: indygal on May 09, 2009, 07:25:07 PM
Actually, David, I've enjoyed reading the conversation. Don't stop on my account :laugh: Also, your mention of Redondo Beach made me think of an old Patti Smith song by that title.
I will have to look her up and listen to the song.
David
For Indygal, because she was interested, I am starting a new thread in the Misc thread called Swimming Pools and Movie Stars to continue Larry and my conversation on Los Angeles, famous people, music, and pop culture.
David
Tew Kewl! ;D
When I first started reading your post and then the part about going to PM because nobody would be interested, I thought that maybe they were, they just wanted to read about it.
Anyway, See you in the Misc.
Larryj
Actually some people were. I was suprised. I thought we were getting iinto a side topic about LA and my guitar that no one was interested in.
David
David & Larry, this and the other thread are a nice change from (you know what). :-X :-X Thank you both! :-*
OK...I have a picture of The Deadbeats..and I can't find it right now. But I will and I'll scan it.. You will see that that "bass player" that old tar---errrr jar head was talking about was our own Sarge........My little girlfriends and I thought cousin Jim was sooo handsome..so we had them pegged as kinda like Movie Stars... and he used the cologne "Jade East"..( :D anyone remember that one?) and we thought he smelled like a movie star too.. ... so we were certainly "star struck".. LOL
They were a good band...and the go go dancer was our other cousin Joyce McDonald (Nash).. the very same Joyce that has the flower shop... :D
~~~Later found out that when he bribed me to wash his feet in return for a favor... ::) he didn't smell like a movie star then.. hahahahahahaaa
Jade East, now that sent me back. How about English Saddle too? I liked that one.
I think you mean "English Leather", don't you, Diane? That was a popular one in Howard.
Fred and I were in charge of hiring bands for dances at the Fair Building to make some money for the fair association.
So our first band was the Deadbeats from Grove, Oklahoma.
When Jim aka Sarge and his friends had their band, we hired them to come to Howard a few times. They had a great little dance band, and all the boys were movie star material. In a former post by Sarge that gave the name and fame of Tim DuBois..he too was a member of that band. We really need for Jim to post an update on all of those "movie stars".
We are and have always been very proud of "Our Jim - Sarge".
Quote from: Jo McDonald on May 11, 2009, 11:15:32 AM
We are and have always been very proud of "Our Jim - Sarge".
Even when he took me snipe hunting and left me out there by the skinnin' barn. ?? :'(
Patryn,Yes of course it was English Leather...There was an inside joke around here about it having to do with "mares sweat." Remember where that came from?
Don't forget Brute.
Ooh! Let's not forget Hai Karate and Old Spice.
When I was growing up in Topeka, we would go to a place called 4 Corners where bands played every Saturday. There was a band called Burlington Express that was really good and everytime they played we were there. Turns out they changed their name and became KANSAS.
My family traveled to California every summer. We would go to Pacific Ocean Park. Sometimes there would be a band playing and trying out new songs. Turns out it was the Beach Boys. It was great to be in on the beginning of their success.
Jane 8)
Al still wears Old Spice. Jane, I still have an old Kansas (the band) tee shirt. I'm jealous that you got to hear the Beach Boys live. I really liked their music....still do. 8)
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a refreshing thread this is.
When I was at KSTC (now Emporia State) in the late 60s, the lead-in band for the homecoming show--Pat Paulsen-- was a new group called the First Edition. No one had heard of them, but they were so good!!! After the show, we went with my roommate's parents to the Holiday Inn club/dining room where they were staying for the weekend, and that band was in the club. We were so excited and got their autographs on dinner napkins, etc. Wouldn't you know, Kenny Rogers was one of the group or I guess the leader as they became known as Kenny Rogers and the First Edition. Alas, the napkin has disappeared through many moves through the years, but I always loved Kenny Rogers's music. Too bad he looks like such a "freak" with all his overdone facial lifts....................................(at least in my opinion). Fond memories, though.
I just looked the" First Edition" up on Wikipedia, and they formed in 1967 which was the year I went to college as a freshman. Within a year, they became Kenny Rogers and the First Edition, so I guess we saw them RIGHT at the beginning of their careers. Interesting. Several of the original band members had been with the folk group "New Christy Minstrels" before forming the First Edition.
...'Cause he's an old hippie and he don't know what to do...
Should he hang onto the old? Should he grab onto the new?
He's an old hippie...This new life is just a bust...
He ain't tryin' to change nobody...He's just tryin' real hard to adjust.
Courtesy of The Bellamy Bro's...A great tune, perfect for this thread!!
Kansas--------Progressive rock group formed in Topeka in 1970. Consisted of Stee Walsh (lead vocals, keyboards), Kerry Livgren (guitar and keyboards), Phil Ehart (drums), Robby Steinhardt (violin), Rich Williams (guitar) and Dave Hope (bass). Walsh left in 1981 and was replaced by John Elefontel Re-formed group lineup in 1986: Walsh, Ehart, Williams, Steve Morse (guitarist from Dixie Dregs) and Billy Greer (bass).
This group had seven records to make it into the top 40 of which "Dust in the Wind" was the only one to become a gold record.
Kenny Rodgers------Born on 8/21/38 in Houston. With high school band the Scholars in 1958. Bass player of jazz group. the Bobby Doyle Trio, recorded for Columbia. In Kirby Stone Four and The New Christy Minstrels, mid 1960's. Formed and fronted The First Edition in 1967. Rodgers split from group in 1973 and went on to a solo career and movies.
With The First Edition---they had two songs in the top 40 including "Just dropped in (to see what condition my condition was in".
As Kenny Rodgers and The First Edition---they had five to reach the top 40 with "Ruby don't take your love to town" going gold.
Don't forget to check out the Misc. section and Swimming pools, etc.
KANSAS still comes back to Topeka. Kerry Livgren lives just out side of town and has a recording studio were they all get togather and play. 8) Do any of you remember a band called Pott County Pork and Bean Band? They never went big time but they had a fiddle player that was out standing. They only played around Kansas as they were farmers and cattle ranchers I think.
Jane
With all the talk of music... why don't you all go tot he MISC thread and link up some of these songs that we are posting.
It's memory time! ;D
http://www.cascity.com/howard/forum/index.php/topic,7503.0.html