Disturbing, but not surprising coming from one of the biggest liberals and the dumbest speaker of the house in history.
BELLEVUE, Wash.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on April 7 acknowledged that gun registration is on her agenda, days after Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters in Mexico that the Second Amendment would not "stand in the way" of administration plans to crack down on alleged gun trafficking to Mexico.
"These are alarming remarks from Speaker Pelosi and Attorney General Holder," said Second Amendment Foundation founder Alan Gottlieb. "It appears that the Obama administration and Capitol Hill anti-gunners have dropped all pretences about their plans for gun owners' rights, and it looks like the gloves are coming off."
Pelosi's revelation came during an interview on ABC's Good Morning, America. While insisting that Congress "never denied" the gun rights of American Citizens, Pelosi told Roberts, "We want them registered. We don't want them crossing state lines..." Gottlieb noted that citizens' rights do not stop at state lines.
"But that doesn't really matter," he observed. "History has shown that around the world, registration has always led to confiscation."
In Mexico, according to the Wall Street Journal, Holder was asked if the administration might encounter constitutional issues as it tries to crack down on alleged gun trafficking. His response: "I don't think our Second Amendment will stand in the way of efforts we have begun and will expand upon."
"These comments belie administration promises and Democrat rhetoric that party leaders respect the rights of law-abiding Americans to own the firearm of their choice," Gottlieb said. "They imposed registration of semi-autos in Pelosi's California and it led to a ban, but it certainly didn't disarm criminals, like the convicted felon who killed four Oakland police officers last month. We know from Holder that the Obama administration wants to renew the nationwide ban on such firearms, but that won't prevent crime, either.
"The administration and Congressional anti-gunners have declared war on gun rights," Gottlieb said. "The press seems deliberately blind to the statements from Pelosi and Holder, who blame our gun rights for their incompetence in dealing with crime. More than 90 million gun owners haven't hurt anybody, and they are tired of being treated like criminals."
The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation's oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.
Not that surprising. After all, during the campaign Comrade obama said very clearly he wasn't coming after our guns. Of course, we can expect the exact opposite. I just wonder how he plans on going about the confiscation?
Oh that is an easy one to answer. Here in the L.A. area the police hold a "local fair" (not the right words, but you can see what I mean) in which people are encouraged to bring in a gun and receive a gift card to the store of their choice or a gift certificate good for a free meal for you and your "friends" at your local Dennys. All the government would have to do is have one of these "fairs" but offer larger incentives and look at all the guns that would be gone. As far as this local fair, I wouldn't doubt that the person turning in the gun is being secretly photographed and the gun tested later for ballistics. If it turns out to be a murder weapon, then they have a photo of the guy who turned it in. There are no questions asked or names taken during these fairs. I admit this would not work to remove all guns, but it would get some off the street. Then, later, when the government passes a law limiting the rights of gun owners, somehow, someway, if you have a gun, you are a criminal because you didn't turn yours in for an all expenses paid trip to Disneyland or the right of citizenship without taking the test or a once in a lifetime ride in Air Force 1 or not have to pay income taxes for ten years. Larryj
You know what i have two words. **** Pelosi!
Sigh looks like were going to be in for a long 4 years.
Larry, Philly has turn in your gun days too. With some success.
You know what is funny is they had one in a town in ga and gave food for guns. Made absolutely no sense whatsoever as the gun itself will provide food. I have literally lost everything i owned, my house, car stuff in house, and penniliess and my guns are some of the few things i kept and carried with me. Pretty much it will be the only thing i would never sell or give away.
Quote from: srkruzich on April 11, 2009, 09:13:57 AM
You know what i have two words. **** Pelosi!
Sigh looks like were going to be in for a long 4 years.
Steve, in 2010 there will be 36 of the 100 Senate seats up for election and all of the House Seats will be up for election. Hopefully the Republicans can and will get control of at least the Senate or the House, or even better both Houses.
Quote from: frawin on April 11, 2009, 07:19:42 PM
Quote from: srkruzich on April 11, 2009, 09:13:57 AM
You know what i have two words. **** Pelosi!
Sigh looks like were going to be in for a long 4 years.
Steve, in 2010 there will be 36 of the 100 Senate seats up for election and all of the House Seats will be up for election. Hopefully the Republicans can and will get control of at least the Senate or the House, or even better both Houses.
Well hopefully and i pray that we will surivive this government, we can get the chance to throw the whole lot of them out. I am hunkering down here, expecting the worst to happen in terms of Government and economy. hopefully i'll manage to feed myself for the next four years from what i grow cause i expect the prices will be high or the food will be in short supply through regulations of this oppressive police state.
April 7, 2009
@ 10:29 am by Michael O'Brien
The ball is in Congress's court to craft a compromise in reinstating regulations on assault weapons, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) acknowledged Tuesday.
During an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," Pelosi said that the Congress will work to find some middle ground between the previous ban, which expired in 2004, and the precedent laid by the Supreme Court in a ruling enumerating more concrete gunowners' rights last term.
"We have to find some level of compromise," Pelosi said, citing 53 victims of gun violence nationwide in less than a month. "And we have to rid the debate of the misconceptions people have about what gun safety means."
"Yes, it is," the Speaker said when asked if the ball is in Congress's court now that Democrats control the White House. "And we are just going to have to work together to come to some resolution."
Pelosi indicated that new regulations might entail registration and prohibitions on transporting some firearms across state lines.
The Speaker also expressed displeasure at the attachment of a gun rights provision to legislation that would grant Washington, D.C. a voting member of Congress.
"Right now, we have the debate in Congress over the District of Columbia wanting a vote on the floor of the House, something we all want. That's a civil rights issue," she said, pledging to find "middle ground" on the issue. "And, yet, they want to put a gun...bill, attach that to that. I don't — I don't think that that should be the price to pay to have a vote on the floor of the House."
Watch the video of Pelosi's interview here.
http://briefingroom.thehill.com/2009/04/07/pelosi-pledges-compromise-on-assault-weapons-ban/ (scroll down, top of page empty)
Best part of vid starts at the 3:05 mark
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My personal opinion is, "Her lips were moving so I have to assume she was lying!"
Aside from not being a real fluent speaker, I would like to ask this! She talks about compromise.
What compromise? I have a compromise for her. Repealing all gun laws that violate the 2nd amendment.
Let's not pass any new laws and try enforcing laws that already exist, including immigration and truth in sentencing. I'll bet we'll see a dramatic decrease in crime.
Why is it in any gun law 'compromise', law abiding gun owners always lose something and the antis always gain something? This is not the definition of compromise. Why is it the rights set down indelibly and clearly in the 2nd amendment are open for limitation while gossamer 'rights' extrapolated and interpreted by lawyers are constantly expanding? Gun laws come after regular people like us, they never go after the criminals that buy illegal firearms.
The only compromise we should consider is how much of our rights we TAKE BACK in one move....Anything other than that is nothing but a sellout.....
Quote"And we have to rid the debate of the misconceptions people have about what gun safety means."
Some how I get the feeling that she isn't talking about our view of handling and using firearms in a safe manner ???Quote"Right now, we have the debate in Congress over the District of Columbia wanting a vote on the floor of the House, something we all want. That's a civil rights issue," she said, pledging to find "middle ground" on the issue. "And, yet, they want to put a gun...bill, attach that to that. I don't — I don't think that that should be the price to pay to have a vote on the floor of the House."
Would have loved to hear a strong interviewer ask her what the Amendments to the Constitution are if they aren't also Rights ... Rights that are such a strong part of what is not only good for the citizens of the United States individually but for the Nation as a whole.(((WARNING)))... the blond is getting fired up..(http://www.rightnation.us/forums/style_emoticons/default/redhot.gif)
Here's my compromise,
1) Nation wide unrestricted CCW ( Carry Concealed Weapon)
2) Repeal all anti gun laws passed since 1800
In exchange for these reasonable and common sense requests we agree not to hang the treasonous bitch and her co conspirators for their numerous violations of the Constitution and federal law.
Does someone need to remind her that it is politics like her's that the Founding Fathers wanted us to be capable of overthrowing with any and all means available?
So?? "My question is:...............
How do we exercise that RIGHT and indeed OBLIGATION without becoming a criminal. Say for instance you started a militia, and declared war on elected officials, and I mean going on national T.V. and announcing it. "We declare war on congress for eroding our civil liberties, for spitting on the constitution, and spending the country into bankruptcy, AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE."
The answer is simple, WIN. That's the only thing that kept the Founding Fathers from being hung for treason.
The rest is this........ What would happen to you is that you would be slapped in irons and marched through the streets as a "domestic terrorist". What this says about us is that we have become so afraid of our government that we will not act against it.
We're frogs in a pot :'( The heat has been on high for several decades, and most not only don't care but actually think it is both right and within the "meaning" of the Constitution :'(
It is not just the Second Amendment either. It is legal to kill babies for convenience; strip clubs and "gentleman's" magazines are protected by the First Amendment, but Christianity is something to be protected from rather than available; Freedom to protest is ok as long as you get a permit three months in advance and all the authorities agree with your request; Your private property is yours to use and enjoy unless someone decides the public could enjoy it more if they had access, so you are forced to give an easement (if your lucky) but at least you still get to pay taxes on it; As a member of the local community you MUST fund your public school, whether you use it or not, and someone else dictates what you can and cannot teach; ...
We are sitting in a simmering pot looking for a cold beer while pots all around us have become "frog stew" and are still being stirred by the mindless privileged frog crew.
A new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
((I'd like to answer my own question..but I will wait and see what anyone has to say..))
QuoteA new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
((I'd like to answer my own question..but I will wait and see what anyone has to say..))
That's a good question...............and one I have no idea what the answer is. Everytime somebody DOES try to buck the government you end up with a Ruby Ridge or some other schmuck labeled a nut-case criminal. There are people all over who are quietly refusing to do what the governement says. They are arrested.....labeled nut-case.....some people laugh at em... some people are scared of em.....some say oh how cool but never do anything to help. Some people are mad at them for havin the audacity to make waves. People just don't care that much anymore in truth. They are too "civilized" to stand up and do the dirty work. They don't mind enough to risk losin anything anyway..even if what they gain will be worth much more in the long run. They all want the benefits without the initial sacrifice to get it. They sit around and piss and moan about the government takin their money and their "freedom" but that's about it. To be quite honest........I don't think it will EVER happen.
It's the densely populated areas that tend to have the gun problems. I still think gun regulation should be a state, if not local issue. People's feelings will always reflect where people live and where they were raised. I can't imagine why Elk county would ever need to even consider gun regulations. Big cities with bad sections....that's a totally different thing. If you lived there you would feel differently. I see both sides of it. School shootings? Should those kids have the constutuional right to shoot up their classmates? What about the rights of those being shot at?
I see what you are sayin Diane I really do. But what about the rights of the OTHER kids to defend themselves AGAINST the one doin the shootin? Or the person stuck in a bad neighborhood because of whatever reason having the right to defend themselves against the gang-bangers and drug dealers? Why should they be at the mercy of the bad guys? Cause the bad guys are GOING to have the guns y'know...one way or the other.
When I was growin up 9 out of ten trucks had a gun behind the seat or hangin in the back window...even at school. Nobody EVER shot anybody.
Guns are not the problem.....poverty...no parental involvement....whether it's from being too tired from workin just to survive or from a nasty drug habit....no hope of anything better....no hope period....hate......drugs......those are the problems. Banning guns is not gonna solve those problems anymore than it's gonna solve the crime and shooting problems.
Pam is close to the answer, at least one of the answers. My answer is to began using the democratic process such as our founding fathers did, in that communities get together behind someone they respect and take their opinions to their representatives and senators. As Pam stated there are those who are considered nutcases or militants so the people need to find a local community leader who is above reproach and is respected and go with him to their congressmen and tell them this is the way things should be and if you don't follow the people's wishes then we will vote someone in who will. Our founding fathers had to listen to a variety of opinions and demands from each state while setting up our government. These opinons were given by representatives chosen by the people of each colony/state. This was and is the democratic process. What has happened over the years is that the government has convinced the people that it knows better and that the people should just listen and follow along with the governments all-wise decisions. When the people make a serious demand in large numbers, maybe the government will sit up and pay attention. The biggest example and most well known would be the civil rights movement carried on by Dr. Martin Luther King. There was enough pressure from the people on the government that it had to change the rules and allow civil rights to all peoples including the current you-know-who. Larryj
We have a good many Quaker kids here. They would not be armed even if they could be. If all the school kids are going to be armed, they better start having "shooting'' as a subject in school. Immature kids with guns don't have any more sense than immature kids who do all the dumb things kids do anyway. We had an interesting incident at Newark High School just last week. A student saw a hand gun in another students back pack. He sent a text message to a friend at another school asking that student to get help. He did. The principal of the one school called the other and kid was nabbed without incident. He said he had the weapon for protection, but refused to say from whom or why. That one has yet to be resolved. As far as adults who live in bad neighborhoods, I understand that....except it never stops. Somebody always needs to get even. Recently two boys in Philly were having a fuss and one went home mad. Everyone thought it was over. It wasn't. He came back with a gun, knocked on the door and instantly shot the person who answered....it was the younger brother. He died. The families have now declared war on each other. I know gun control doesn't work, but arming everyone to the teeth is a very unChristian like answer as far as I'm concerned. There has to be another way somehow. People in certain areas desperately need conflict resolution training, in huge doses. I have talked at length to some of my police officer friends. They tell me arming everyone is far too simplistic an answer and would make their job much more dangerous. Then there would be twice as many bullets flying around fired by people who don't shoot nearly as well as they think they do. Some of them suggested going out for paint ball to see how good you are with targets that move and shoot back. If you come out of it with no hits on your self, then maybe for you it might work. I thought that was a rather clever idea. Has Elk County ever thought about a paint ball area? In the meantime, do what you think is right for you, but don't forget the whole country is not like Elk County.
QuoteIf all the school kids are going to be armed, they better start having "shooting'' as a subject in school.
Actually Diane... that is a very good idea. That goes back to the way I was raised...which was to respect guns and what they could do.
QuotePeople in certain areas desperately need conflict resolution training, in huge doses
People in MOST areas need that. Nobody just argues anymore. Even if kids could just have a fist fight and get it over with like when I was a kid but no we teach them to swallow their anger and keep it swallowed until it's just impossible to contain and then somthing tragic happens. I'm all for the turn the other cheek thing but sometimes you HAVE to fight and kids no longer know how to do that and come out of it if not friends at least agreein to disagree. Hell. most adults can't even do THAT anymore.
Quotedon't forget the whole country is not like Elk County.
No it's not.....I don't live in Elk county...never did...I'm from Severy. But in all reality on a smaller scale it is when you think about it. Kids are bullied in school there....but they don't go to school and shoot people over it..so what's the difference that keeps that from happening? Maybe the things I was talkin about like parental involvement or just havin a fight and getting it out of their system ..there is a MAJOR meth problem in that neck of the woods, has been for years....which causes theft and other crime problems but a lot of kids still manage to avoid it which brings me back to parental involvment and giving them hope instead of just telling them by your actions there is never goin to be anything better for them and they have absolutely nothing to look forward to but death.
I am not for people runnin around willy nilly dealin out "justice" as they see fit Diane. I KNOW some people don't have the judgment needed and will shoot the wrong person but damn you can't throw the baby out with the bath water and take away the rights of people who DO. The fact of the matter is we are NEVER going to stop killing.....of innocents or others....because there is always gonna be that one person that snaps and if they don't have a gun Diane they are going to use whatever they can get. Right now guns are what we have. It was too late to do away with guns when they built the first one. Just like a whole host of OTHER weapons biological and otherwise. All we can do is leave people the means to defend themselves when the necesity arises. That's just the way it is and nobody regrets that fact more than I do, cause I know things don't HAVE to be the way they are.......
Maybe we need to bring back the school boxing ring and have the angry kids have at it until they are so exhausted they forget what they are mad about. But then I suppose someone's "cousin" would carry the fight on. And yes, parents not doing effective parenting, for whatever reason, is at least 90% of the problem. They should be forced to watch "Super Nanny." ;D
Quote from: pam on April 14, 2009, 08:16:10 AM
QuoteA new question - At what point are we willing to lay it on the line ... like our Founding Fathers did?
((I'd like to answer my own question..but I will wait and see what anyone has to say..))
That's a good question...............and one I have no idea what the answer is. Everytime somebody DOES try to buck the government you end up with a Ruby Ridge or some other schmuck labeled a nut-case criminal. There are people all over who are quietly refusing to do what the governement says. They are arrested.....labeled nut-case.....some people laugh at em... some people are scared of em.....some say oh how cool but never do anything to help. Some people are mad at them for havin the audacity to make waves. People just don't care that much anymore in truth. They are too "civilized" to stand up and do the dirty work. They don't mind enough to risk losin anything anyway..even if what they gain will be worth much more in the long run. They all want the benefits without the initial sacrifice to get it. They sit around and piss and moan about the government takin their money and their "freedom" but that's about it. To be quite honest........I don't think it will EVER happen.
You should watch the movie the patriot. The majority of folks back then didn't lift a finger to help. IT was a very few patriots in this country that won our freedom. Very few.
Pretty good movie
I don't honestly think anyone knows the answer and maybe there isn't one ...
I do think when the sheep start getting their necks stepped on, gun butts in the teeth and they cease to be a hindrance to common sense....i.e., get an education and a distaste for having been lazy and stupid and no longer have a taste for supporting fascists. Win the hearts and minds....
Not to say spontaneous social combustion will not be exploited, but that's still a wait and see. Otherwise just as Pam stated...a brave person's sacrifice may be seen as the "crazy uncle" and dismissed.
Delicate thing...the largest portion of common sense supporting LEO and military personnel would be early into this takeover we're seeing....wait too long and they'll be replaced or changed to the jack booted thugs we heard of in the 90's.
I honestly hope we don't ...as a nation ....just roll over like England and Australia did. A lack of necessities, food, water, etc. would make a population desperate and if.. as a nation.. we're not desperate, I don't think the people will do too much more than talk.
I just have to hope and pray that America will stand up and fight back. We..as a country, still are alone in the fact that hopefully there are still people out there who believe in individualism, and self sufficiency.
That is my "hope".. but in all actuality in the realism of things.. I think fewer people are individualistic...as evidenced by the absolute abomination we have for a President and Speaker of the House that was elected and who hold the offices now.
I read somewhere that some think that the LEGAL immigrants are going to lead the charge on this. After all they came here to escape this sort of nonsense and tyranny.
My personal opinion on this?? As far as the immigrants, I am absolutely certain they will not say anything. They escaped a bad situation and were well educated in saying nothing and avoiding eye contact.. mostly they came over being sheep to the core.
I think the neighborhoods in Texas and other southern border states are an example of a lack of will to say anything that would make you stand out. The only immigrants talking...are the one's who are tied to the violent gangs or who are under an umbrella of a leader calling for some movement...such as letting all foreigners in and making them instant citizens.
You have to consider who elects the idiot Mayors in the towns and states. It's the socialistic, hands out sheep, that's who. The only way to get them out of the box is to cut off their goodies and I'll tell you after 50 plus years here on earth the politicians don't forget that part. The first places in communities that get their services back, like electricity and water after a problem, are the areas populated by welfare recipients. I hate to say it but we were sold out a long time ago and have been diluted with sheep who have no business being here and by the violent gangs we aren't' being protected from.
At first it was slick talking, lying good old boys laughing at the other one's in the same club by getting elected when the others didn't....and the water temperature rose. Then they were overtaken by the idealistic believers of "Great Society" socialism....and the water temperature rose. Now we have flaming radicals and the temperature is rising once again.....to a full bubbling boil.
Unless we band together and are willing to fight....I hate to say this, but to me.. it looks like its game over for America.
The police and National Guard picked up guns in New Orleans and not a shot was fired....pretty telling. If elements of the military don't start a revolt I don't see any real changes. Perhaps a Kosovo type thing if the food and energy comes into short supply. We have diversity and selfishness now.
Personally I think the urban areas of America will sheepishly go miserably socialist while the Rural and wilderness areas will contain bands of us *who the government will call outlaws" ..who will band together and will be willing to stand up against socialists wanting to take over. Worst case .. those people will be hunted and killed by the Govt. just like the Ukrainian partisans after WW II. History has an ugly way of repeating itself.
But regardless of whatever goes on.. I'm planning on hunkering down and finishing my generation out in this small town rural area where I can hunt and fish and garden and be ready to help feed my children's future families. Looking at generations passing, mine was the first "lost" generation and it got worse after that. I've gained ground lost in the 70's craziness ( which I was a part of) and have hopefully rightly educated my children and instituted American values in them...as they will do with their children... my grandchildren.
There will be another side of this thing, but I don't know if it will be in my lifetime.
I'm in agreement with Teresa and Kjell. They seem to have no problem lining up with our Founding Fathers
and more and more Americans ought to be likewise.
Here's a quote by a great American:
If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen. - Samuel Adams
Teresa, you are 100% right. We Do have to come together and stand up. And I think you are right, it is just about game over for america. I had hoped that voting, protesting, and such would wake up those bastards in washington, but unfortunetly, it has not. So what other recourse do we have??? It is getting to the point that the only option we have left is the one we all had hoped to avoid. But then again, that is the principal behind the 2nd admendment. But in order to do this we have to know who we can count on, who is willing to make the sacrifices nessesscary; that means meetings, in groups, not just on the Net. And that is where alot of folks will draw the line and are not willing to committ. So there we are.
As for me, I am not one of those folks, if somone wants to start meeting around here, I'm in.
Hey, Redcliffsw, heres another one for ya!
"The battle, Sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, Sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable; and let it come! I repeat, Sir, let it come!"
Patrick Henry