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General Category => Politics => Topic started by: flo on April 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM

Title: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: flo on April 03, 2009, 02:57:01 PM


   Subject: Patriotic Retirement







The Business Section asked readers for ideas on "How Would You Fix the
Economy?"

I think this guy nailed it!



Dear Mr. President,

Patriotic retirement:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force - Pay them $1
million apiece severance with the following stipulations:

    1) They leave their jobs. Forty million job openings - Unemployment
fixed.

    2) They buy NEW American cars. Forty million cars ordered - Auto
Industry fixed.

    3) They either buy a house/pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed.

It can't get any easier than that!

PS If more money is needed, have all members in Congress pay their taxes...

Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 06:57:57 AM
A few problems, 1) how many of them own their own business 2) what if they don't need a new car?  3) what if they don't want/need a new home? 

Seems to me that all that would do is force people to buy things they don't nesseccarly need or want then make them pay taxes on things they were forced to buy.  This problem was started by gov't telling people how to run their buinesses, to fix it gov't needs to step back and let the american people take care of themselves
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: flo on April 04, 2009, 09:07:56 AM
for crying out loud, people, lighten up.  Don't always see the down side, especially of a joke.  Trying smiling, maybe that would help more than anything.  :) :) :) :) :) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  I truly give up on this forum. :-\ :-\
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Flintauqua on April 04, 2009, 11:00:28 AM
Quote from: flo on April 04, 2009, 09:07:56 AM
for crying out loud, people, lighten up.  Don't always see the down side, especially of a joke.  Trying smiling, maybe that would help more than anything.  :) :) :) :) :) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:  I truly give up on this forum. :-\ :-\

Don't give up Flo!  I keep saying to myself "Why do I keep coming back here?"  It's because I care enough about what's going on in Elk County to keep putting up with all the negativity and nonsense that spews from certain people whose viewpoint is what would be called statistically an "outlier", something that is so far above or below the middle, that is skews the average.  And what is often done in statistics is you throw out the outlier, and to me the country has way too many outliers!  Listening to them only pulls more and more people away from the center, polarizing the populace.  So, I don't listen. >:(
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 11:55:26 AM
I'm realitivy new to the fourm, so I have to ask..what qualifies as nonsense?
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: redcliffsw on April 04, 2009, 01:06:36 PM

Could the "nonsense" be that if we are not lined-up with
the Democrats or Republicans and therefore lacking in support
of the mainliners?  Further could it be like the recent matter
created by law enforcemnt in Missouri. 

Here a little about it:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=93014     

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2009/cbarchive_20090327.html
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 04, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
  Dude I LIVE in Missouri and there were Ron Paul stickers and signs up all OVER the place and I didn't see any storm troopers roundin people up or hasslin em about it, i have neighbors who fly Confederate flags and native american flags, POW flags all KINDS of flags, You guys are goin down the doomsday slope on an oiled banana peel in here lately...
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: redcliffsw on April 04, 2009, 01:57:07 PM

Not so.  You ought to check further about it.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 04, 2009, 02:05:16 PM
Glad someone put something up about that MO report. Been trying to but am not that computer savvy.  As far as a "slippery slope", this country has been going down it for quite some time.  But in the last 60 days or so, we've really picked up speed.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 04, 2009, 02:11:33 PM
  I've thought alot about all the things thrown around in here about the end blah blah blah. What you all don't seem to understand about me is I don't think the government gave me freedom. Freedom just is...if somebody can take it away from you it AIN'T freedom. Even in the most repressive culture in the world they can't REALLY take your freedom unless you LET them. You can ALWAYS fight! Yeah you may die...got news for you...we are all gonna die..sometime or other.
I'm sick of all this oh it's the end bull. If in four years all of a sudden Obama is king or somthin then I'll say you were right. Until then I am gonna LIVE my life and ENJOY it. I'm gonna vote for whoever I want, stand up for my rights, my family and my friends. I'm gonna go out with a smile the size of my head on my face with no regrets. And if in four years we just elect another president that some people don't like who does things that make people make the same doomsday predictions about guess where I'll be. Over here enjoyin my life. And I won't even say see I told you so. :P
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: flo on April 04, 2009, 02:13:57 PM
Quote from: pam on April 04, 2009, 01:53:52 PM
You guys are goin down the doomsday slope on an oiled banana peel in here lately...

;D ;D ;D love the mental image I get from this . . .  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Wilma on April 04, 2009, 04:21:42 PM
Pam, you go, girl.  I am not going to spend the rest of my life looking for the worst to happen.  If it happens, it happens.  I have found that everytime I was disappointed about not getting something I wanted really badly, something better turned up.  Something better is around the corner and I am going to be here to go around that corner.  Want to go with me?
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Diane Amberg on April 04, 2009, 06:09:07 PM
Hey! Wait for me! :D
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 04, 2009, 07:33:21 PM
:) Wilma I'm already on the road  :laugh:
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: sixdogsmom on April 04, 2009, 07:55:39 PM
Just like Willy!  :D
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: greatguns on April 05, 2009, 05:14:12 AM
I read it, I loved it, I laughed.  Thanks!
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 12:48:23 PM
I am going to say something here and then leave this one alone.  I understand that the orignal post was meant as a joke.  However, today too many people are taking things like that to heart.  If you would have asked me a year ago if we would be in the place we are now, I would have answered with a resounding no.  I would not have believed that the citizens of this country would have elected a person so hellbent on overiding our Constution.  I would not have believed that it would take a state admendment to define what marriage meant. 

Pam, if you really enjoy your freedom, if you like being able to raise your children the way You see fit, if you like being able to worship how you feel is right, then please, by all means, thank a Veteran.  You see, freedom isn't free, it comes at a cost.  It requires the sacifrice of brave men and women who would not see their country ruled by a tyrannt.  It demands that those who would live by, fight and defend it even at the cost of their very lives.  It has at its core a by-law that states that anyone who would give the blessing of Freedom for peace and security, want neither of them bad enough to deserve any of them. Remember Samuel Adams..

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquilty of servitude greater then the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace.  We seek not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posteriry forget you were our countymen"

If my voice seems harsh or my disposition hateful it is only because I am faced with the apathy of a people who confess to love freedom but not the diligence nessecary to keep it.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 05, 2009, 03:04:58 PM
   Dude you are preachin to the choir here to use an old saying. There are more than a few veterans in my gene pool. I will stand and fight and have for what is important. I don't depend on popular opinion or even approval for that. I AM free. I DID and DO raise my children in the way I see fit. I DO worship as I see fit. I ask no ones permission and I take no ones censorship. God gave me a conscience and an inner voice, my family nutured my independance and open-minded  search for what I needed to know and I learned to respect wisdom no matter WHERE I found it.
  I "crouch" for no man, I lick no-ones boots, which is why I drive a LOT of people crazy and always have. People who matter accept me tho.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 03:14:07 PM
Thats what I am saying, Freedom isn't just given, it has to be protected and fought for. But first it has to be won.  Hence, the Revolutionary war.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 05, 2009, 03:21:04 PM
    Nobody can "give" you what you already have. If somebody "gives" you freedom it AIN'T freedom. 

"The white world puts all the power at the top. When someone gets to the top, they have the power to take your freedom. In your churches there is someone at the top. In your schools, too. In your government. In your business. There is always someone at the top, and that person has the right to say whether you are good or bad. They own you. No wonder Americans always worry about freedom. You have so damn little of it. If you don't protect it, someone will take it away from you.
When you came among us, you couldn't understand our way. You wanted to find the person at the top. You wanted to find the fences that bound us in. Your world was made of cages and you thought ours was, too.
Everything looked like cages. Your clothes fit like cages. Your houses looked like cages. You put fences around your yards so they looked like cages. Everything was a cage. You turned the land into cages. Little squares. Then you made a government to protect these cages. And that government was all cages. The only freedom you had was inside your own cage. Then you wondered why you weren't happy and didn't feel free.
The only time freedom is important is when others are trying to put you in chains. We had no chains so we needed no freedom. We had always had our freedom, so you had nothing of value to give us. All you could do is take it away and give it back to us in the form of cages.
You took our honor and gave us your freedom. And even you know that is no freedom at all. It is just the freedom to live inside your own locked cage. "
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 03:34:37 PM
Eloquently put, but if it stood true for all the People, then why did they follow Their leaders onto the reservations???  And correct me if I'm wrong here but didn't the People take away the freedom of others when they would take them as slaves and bind them in cages of their own???  Please don't talk to me about freedom as some abstract concept the indians had a monopoly on. There is no such thing as true 100% absolute freedom, man will always be subservent to Gods law. 
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 05, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
  Ha I wasn't talkin about freedom as some abstract concept the natives had a monopoly on. That passage just demonstrates my feelings about freedom period. If you have it you don't set around worryin about somebody takin it away from you day and night.
They followed their leaders for the same reason anybody else does. They couldn't win, all they could do was die and let their children die and they didn't WANT to die or watch their children die. Damn....they were HUMAN.
  As for slaves, no people on earth has the distinction of saying they NEVER had slaves. Every race has that particular skeleton in the closet.
  As for freedom as concerns God that's a whole other conversation and one I don't have except with God.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 05, 2009, 04:22:20 PM
I'm not worrying about it day and night, I just see this adminstration trying to take it away more then ever before.  Maybe I just took that passage the wrong way, but as a white man I'm getting really tired of hearing that the worlds problems are my fault when we all share equally in the blame.
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: pam on April 05, 2009, 04:41:04 PM
    There is enough responsibility for the way this world is to go around. Greed and excess and destructive behavior doesn't have a color...it just is. In my opinion people are too disconnected from EVERYthing......home, family, faith(whatever kind), the earth, the seasons...everything. So they grab onto things like "power" and "wealth" and "influence". Hell, more people than you think don't even know where their food comes from or what is involved in creating it. They spend their lives in climate controlled buildings with piped in filtered air, have never tasted home grown anything, their whole world is sterile and dead. THAT is what is wrong with this human race. But that's just MY opinion.

  As for Obama and his deal..... I didn't vote for him....I also don't think he is any bigger a threat than a few other recent presidents or VICEpresidents that I can think of. They don't run for president to make the world a better place for EVERYbody...they run to make things better for whatever their pet projects are. obamas pet projects just irritate the hell out of a few more people AT the moment.

Things can always change tho...........
Title: Re: PATRIOTIC RETIREMENT
Post by: Varmit on April 06, 2009, 04:17:09 AM
I don't know pam, I kinda like my climate controlled air....espcially in around august. :)

But I know what you're saying.